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So, very young...
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...I got obsessed with horror.
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I just think it would be fun
to survive a horror movie.
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But you make it to the end...
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...and the credits roll,
and everyone's fine.
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That's just always been, like,
super appealing to me.
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I think I googled,
"Survive your own scary movie,"
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which is where
the beginning of this started.
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But, every horror movie...
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- ...has a monster.
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Hey, everybody. It's Russ.
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This is Immersive Horror,
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where you become the star of the show.
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No!
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No, Russ. Please...
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Stay with me, honey.
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- Hold your breath.
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On the count of three, hold your breath.
One. Two.
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- Please--
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An immersive horror experience is...
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...you are basically putting yourself
inside of a horror movie.
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My legs hurt, and my arms hurt,
a-and my hands are freezing.
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And I can't feel them 'cause there's still
shocks running through my hands.
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You had a good time, though?
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Yes! I had a great time.
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I don't know too many people
outside of my small little group
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that know about this stuff.
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It is relatively underground,
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and right now, we have
the worst salesman for it
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in the history of bad salesmen.
That's Russ McKamey.
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I am the owner and creator
of McKamey Manor,
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the world's most extreme haunted house.
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Russ has positioned himself to be
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- the great danger.
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You're in boot camp,
you are in North Korea,
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you are in Stalinist Russia,
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and you're gonna see
if you can make it out or not.
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- We're showmen.
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I am the P.T. Barnum of the haunt world.
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Look at her. Look at her.
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I spent hours trying to convince her
not to show up here.
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But she wouldn't listen to me.
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The show's never over with Russ.
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Please stop, Russ. Please, please.
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Russ has crossed the Rubicon.
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There's no goin' back.
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I'm leaving McKamey Manor, thank God.
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Do. Not. Come. Here.
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McKamey Manor
has a history of, um, cities and towns...
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- ...not wanting us in their location.
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You know, we were kicked out of Illinois.
We were gonna move out there.
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Um, the city saw the movies
after we were there,
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basically, and freaked out.
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And they were, you know,
they just went crazy,
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you know, praying in front of the building
to keep us away,
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shooting out the windows, slashing tires.
I mean, they really did not want us there.
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Hey, everybody, welcome to the
Captain's pizza party! It's time to party!
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I really, really, really, really,
really, really, really like girls
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Yeah, I really, really, really, really,
really, really, really like girls
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You are from the military,
you were in the Navy.
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Oh, absolutely. Yeah,
I've-I was in the military for 23 years.
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Even on a ship, I had a haunt going on.
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Russ McKamey created a house of horror
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that would rival anything
at a carnival or theme park.
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- Nine rooms, animated ghoulish figures,
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you wonder what he spent on it.
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This year, about $30,000.
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It took me six months to do
what I did in there so far,
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so, and we just ran outta time.
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A Navy veteran
who now works with the VFW,
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he's just always loved Halloween, he says.
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When we first met,
I started doing video work for him.
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Russ was my friend.
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I thought that me and Russ
were-were best friends.
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When the manor started originally,
it was an awesome thing.
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It was kids working it,
jumping out, scaring you.
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You know, there was a line
to get in on Halloween.
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- It was a cool thing.
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That was when the news
on what we were doing got big.
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This is considered the scariest
haunted house in America.
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- We were on Good Morning America,
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every news station,
everybody was doin' a story on us.
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McKamey Manor is completely interactive.
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- A two-hour visit to hell on Earth.
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And then every year,
he had to one up it.
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Had to get a little more intense.
A little more intense to the point,
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though, finally,
they got rid of the kids.
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- Here they come! They're coming!
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McKamey Manor promises
an extreme experience
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that can last up to 10 hours,
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requires participants to be
medically cleared by a doctor
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and sign a 40-page waiver.
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This place has been
known to break the minds...
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It was invented by
this crazy gentleman...
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Russ McKamey videotapes
every single second...
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...inducing is a form of
psychological torture, but for fun.
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They say it amounts
to a torture chamber. Yikes.
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- The phones would not stop.
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His phone would constantly ring,
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my phone would constantly ring,
with people trying to get in.
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It was insane
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how quickly and how big it got.
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And that's when it got violent.
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- Don't fuckin' move.
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- Stop resisting!
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I probably wouldn't do the haunt
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- if I wasn't able to film it.
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- That's nice.
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Because I want the world
to see what I'm doing.
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I am here because I want everyone
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to know the truth on Russ.
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I don't feel like I'm,
like, mentally weak,
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but it messed me up.
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I'm over five years past it...
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...and I'm just now coming to terms
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with how fucked up it was.
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The dude lives in the dark.
The world needs to see
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what this man has done to people.
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If someone asked me my story,
I would tell it to 'em.
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There's actually a lesson
to be learned from Russ.
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I am a producer and creator
of immersive horror.
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I'm putting them through what
I would perceive as horrific.
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I'm putting them through a scenario
that I'm terrified of.
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I love traditional Halloween.
Like, I love old school haunted houses.
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An immersive horror experience
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is definitely evolved
out of a haunted house,
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- but...
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...you can't compare
these things together.
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If you wanna put 'em in a hierarchy,
you know, you have boo haunts up here.
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The normal boo haunted house,
they pop out of a hole in the window,
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- they scare you around a corner.
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Those are just walkabout haunted houses
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that everybody can go to.
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Followed by more extreme haunts...
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...but without necessarily
actors touching you.
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As you kind of get into
the more immersive experience,
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- they can separate you from your friends.
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They can tie you up,
but it's nothing super extreme.
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At the very bottom is...
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- ...immersive, extreme type experiences,
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where it is full contact.
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There's no topic that's off the table.
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They're longer, they're more intense,
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they're more narrative-driven,
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more task-driven, and personal.
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Some of these ultra personal experiences
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are made to make you face
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all the things that you don't wanna face.
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Hands and knees,
Hands and knees!
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And they go about it
in extremely creative ways.
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Fuck!
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They put you in situations that you
didn't realize you were even scared of.
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People just enjoy the rush of it
'cause it is a thrill.
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The point is how much
can you take, right?
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How much physical and mental abuse
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can you put up with
before you just cut out?
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But, you can take away
consent at any time,
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and a good extreme haunt owner knows that.
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You constantly have to
ask the participant,
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"Do you still consent?
Do you still consent?"
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Even if it's seven hours,
they're going to make sure that I'm safe.
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But it isn't just the torturing people.
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There is subtext to the show.
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There's subtext to the things
that I'm talking about.
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But, that isn't always the case.
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There's one person
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basically running a torture chamber.
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You made a big mistake.
Come on.
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Russ was, like, a celebrity. You know,
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every YouTube video at the time,
every Facebook link
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was Russ' face, mentioning this haunt.
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We're here waiting for you.
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Russ McKamey's a divisive figure.
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Just get him in here! Get him in here!
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He uses his divisiveness
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to get your attention,
to grow in attention.
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You understand what I'm telling you?
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Yes what? Tell me what
I just told you, Christina.
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He started to put little bits
of information out there
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to make himself more infamous, I guess.
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You look scared Steve.
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- I'm terrified, sir.
- Yeah, you need to be.
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It billed itself as the most
extreme haunted house in the world.
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They do all kinds of crazy stuff to you.
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I don't like you here.
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I am gonna make sure you have
the worst day of your entire life.
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They drugged you,
that they pulled your teeth,
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that if you threw up,
they make you eat your throw-up.
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And I was like, "How is this possible?
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But, man, this is fascinating."
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Let me out!
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Let me out! Let me out!
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We only do one
or two shows a week.
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- The list is long.
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One of those things
that Russ liked to say was
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he had this 27,000 person waitlist.
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- You won the lottery.
- Out of 20,000.
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- 27,000.
- 27,000!
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He's so big with this huge waitlist.
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I'm offering you 20 grand,
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and you know we're probably
not gonna kill ya, so...
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There was a $20,000 money prize.
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Oh yeah, well, the 20 grand,
that's a big part of it.
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Well, here I am.
Today's the day for my McKamey Manor tour.
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Some people see that 20 grand,
and they're enticed by that money.
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Everyone on the internet
told me I could do it,
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they wanted me to, and I didn't listen.
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Do not come here.
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Price of admission
for this eight-hour-plus adventure?
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Four cans of dog food
or a bag of dog food.
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He's not making money.
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I think most of the money that went into
the haunt was from his previous wife.
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But I think it is just to keep himself,
keep himself clean.
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Haunted houses, like,
this is not a money thing.
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You gotta do this for the art,
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- or 'cause you're a sociopath.
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You wanna run a torture chamber.
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We're known for no quitting
and no safe-wording.
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I make it simple 'cause I'm a simple guy,
and I can't have too many rules,
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otherwise I'll get confused.
So, either you actually complete the tour,
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- which is not going to happen...
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...or you mentally or physically
are at such a breaking point
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that it's now not safe
for you to continue,
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and I need to take you out.
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Russ doesn't want you to quit
until you are a pile of bones and flesh.
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And then, you're not probably done either.
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All that bad stuff,
it's selling point.
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It's not a reason not to go.
It's a reason to go.
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How bad can it be?
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That's my number one rule
before I go to any extreme haunt.
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If a felony's not gonna be taking place,
I don't wanna go.
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I love the adrenaline.
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There was no second thought,
there was no nothing. I had to do it.
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I had just moved to Los Angeles.
I was, like, trying to be an actress.
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I had a group of friends
that were creative,
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so we would just do fun little
short films that were scary.
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And I wanted something more extreme.
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And it was like
a full send point in my life,
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where I just didn't think about anything.
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I was like, "Okay, like,
you only live once.
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Like, why not just try to, like,
get into this haunted house?"
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My day-to-day activities,
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my normal routine gets dull,
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and I wanted to branch out.
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And I'm not gonna lie.
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I honestly thought that
this was gonna help
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get me a little bit of fame.
And I wanted a video of me up on YouTube.
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And the more people that
I talked to about this that said,
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"No, don't do it, don't do it,
don't do it,"
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the more it motivated me.
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My first conversations with Russ
involved going to his website,
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finding out what his email address was,
and I just sent him an email.
253
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And I contacted the admins
about doing a tour.
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"I wanna be an actress. I love horror.
Um, I'm trying to start a YouTube channel.
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Like, I would love to do this haunt."
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Not even two days later,
I actually got the email back from him.
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"Hey, Gabi, are you available tomorrow?
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I have, like, a spot opening up.
Someone bailed."
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We kind of bonded because
we were both in the service.
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He says, "This is your only opportunity
to get in. I got 20,000 people waiting,
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I'm bumping you
to the front of the line."
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People get so obsessed,
and Russ is feeding their ears,
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and they're like,
"This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity,
264
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because I'll never get this chance again."
265
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Then, I had to do this little video
that Russ asked me to do,
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live on this private Facebook group.
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I had a friend hanging me
by my ankles upside down,
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and I actually ate night crawlers
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mixed with toothpaste and mustard.
270
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She's done.
She's ate all the worms.
271
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And it was horrible. Absolutely horrible.
272
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But I felt like I needed to be
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over the top in my creativity,
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because he was a big deal,
275
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and I wanted to stand out from the rest.
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He announces, you know, I can do a tour.
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I said yes.
278
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And I was over the moon excited.
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I was like, I guess, for some reason,
he liked my email.
280
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And he was very kind at that time.
281
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He made me feel like I was important
282
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and that I was already this huge celebrity
283
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and I had a fan base.
284
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You know, I'm gonna rock this.
285
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I'm super scared.
I don't know who my partner is.
286
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Um, I'm waiting until it gets
a little closer to the time,
287
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then I'm gonna go sit
in the spot and wait.
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He said, "Find parking near the park.
There are bleachers. Sit at the bleachers,
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face forward.
Don't turn around or anything."
290
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And then, I went and met Russ at the park
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for my waiver signing.
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I was nervous. I was shaking.
My hands were trembling,
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and I was trying to fake that I was fine.
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Sure.
295
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That was the infamous waiver.
296
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That was the waiver that
you're basically signing your life away.
297
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We're not responsible if you die.
Like, you're agreeing to sign up for this.
298
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No.
299
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- Yes, yes.
- Take this. Don't get it wet.
300
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Why are you doing this?
That's my question. Why would you do this
301
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after everything that's happening,
why would you sign this waiver?
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"Participant fully understands and agrees
that once participant enters MM,
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there is no quitting unless
serious psychological injury is present."
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Your hair may be chopped off.
Dentistry may be done.
305
00:21:23,324 --> 00:21:24,909
You may have a tooth extracted.
306
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"Head, neck, back injuries,
death, stroke,
307
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traumatic brain injury, brain aneurysm."
308
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I wasn't allowed to, like,
look at the person
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who gave us the waiver.
310
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We had very weird instructions.
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"Retinal hemorrhage, subdural hematoma,
loss of consciousness, whiplash,
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"harmful heart reactions,
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"nausea, headache, dizziness, lacerations,
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broken or sprained bones."
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None of this had gotten to me.
316
00:21:51,561 --> 00:21:55,440
I had too much excitement
going through my veins at the time.
317
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If it would've said a man's
gonna come out of the woods
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and murder you during this event,
I-I would've signed it.
319
00:22:16,836 --> 00:22:20,006
I get that feeling,
that adrenaline is just building,
320
00:22:20,006 --> 00:22:23,510
which is reminiscent right before
I left the wire when I was in Iraq.
321
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:26,846
This was going outside of
the safety of your FOB.
322
00:22:28,056 --> 00:22:29,974
The FOB,
it's a forward operation base.
323
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That's where we lived.
324
00:22:32,477 --> 00:22:35,939
There's a clear delineation
of safety there. You know, safe,
325
00:22:37,357 --> 00:22:38,358
not safe.
326
00:22:39,693 --> 00:22:41,569
As soon as you go outside the gate...
327
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- ...adrenaline's as high as you can go.
328
00:22:46,116 --> 00:22:49,369
- Yeah! Woo!
329
00:22:49,369 --> 00:22:51,705
- Yeah!
330
00:22:56,501 --> 00:22:58,795
We lost a lot of people over there.
331
00:22:58,795 --> 00:23:00,922
People were dying every single day.
332
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I did 21 years.
I did three combat tours in Iraq,
333
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which spanned over 40 months.
334
00:23:09,931 --> 00:23:12,726
At the start of the deployment,
I had hope.
335
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:18,106
Very shortly, I realized
you abandon your hope.
336
00:23:19,024 --> 00:23:22,402
You realize that death
can come at any moment.
337
00:23:24,863 --> 00:23:27,532
Military experience is extreme.
338
00:23:27,532 --> 00:23:32,078
Terror haunt experience is extreme.
Anything that we do that is extreme,
339
00:23:32,078 --> 00:23:35,582
adrenaline, when it's coursing through us,
I mean, it makes us feel powerful.
340
00:23:35,582 --> 00:23:38,376
A lot of times when people
have had combat experiences,
341
00:23:38,376 --> 00:23:41,504
you cannot get that feeling anywhere else.
342
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,257
- So, it almost gets kind of locked in.
- Mm.
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I'm Dr. Lindsay Bira,
clinical health psychologist
344
00:23:47,093 --> 00:23:49,846
and PTSD and trauma specialist.
345
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When somebody has had a trauma
346
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and their nervous system
is a little bit hijacked,
347
00:23:54,476 --> 00:23:56,186
like we see in PTSD,
348
00:23:56,186 --> 00:24:00,482
then it drives them to seek
external sensation to try to regulate.
349
00:24:02,484 --> 00:24:06,571
And for anybody with
anxiety, depression, PTSD,
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somebody experiencing
emotional abnormalities,
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they are more likely to
seek external stimulation.
352
00:24:15,872 --> 00:24:18,625
I'm worried about these
types of experiences
353
00:24:18,625 --> 00:24:20,794
because there's no real structure.
354
00:24:20,794 --> 00:24:23,338
There's no limits.
The limits keep getting pushed.
355
00:24:25,006 --> 00:24:28,426
But, the most important thing
is to be very careful
356
00:24:28,426 --> 00:24:32,389
who is leading an extreme experience.
357
00:24:33,223 --> 00:24:36,685
There can easily be abuse of power,
358
00:24:36,685 --> 00:24:39,896
and we don't know how
far to trust somebody.
359
00:24:45,860 --> 00:24:47,570
He stuck me in his truck.
360
00:24:47,570 --> 00:24:50,532
Hey, everybody. Come on in.
361
00:24:50,532 --> 00:24:53,785
I was blindfolded,
I couldn't see anything,
362
00:24:53,785 --> 00:24:57,831
and off we went to the manor
to begin the tour.
363
00:25:02,377 --> 00:25:05,255
- He puts me into his truck.
364
00:25:05,255 --> 00:25:07,757
He puts earphones on me,
365
00:25:07,757 --> 00:25:11,678
and then I remember
the sounds of babies crying,
366
00:25:11,678 --> 00:25:14,139
- and it's very, very loud.
367
00:25:15,390 --> 00:25:18,810
I'm like, "Okay, I've just lost
my sense of hearing."
368
00:25:18,810 --> 00:25:22,272
- And then, he starts duct taping my head.
369
00:25:22,272 --> 00:25:25,191
He covers my entire head with duct tape,
370
00:25:25,191 --> 00:25:26,526
that I bought, mind you.
371
00:25:26,526 --> 00:25:30,030
Once they kidnapped us and put us
in the van, that's when I, like,
372
00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:31,698
I don't even think I felt anxious.
373
00:25:31,698 --> 00:25:34,034
I think I was in, like,
fight or flight mode,
374
00:25:34,034 --> 00:25:36,578
and I had to fight 'cause there was
nowhere that I could go.
375
00:25:36,578 --> 00:25:38,538
So I was just very focused.
376
00:25:40,123 --> 00:25:42,083
I don't know what to expect.
377
00:25:42,083 --> 00:25:45,253
I knew this was go time, right?
378
00:25:45,253 --> 00:25:48,840
I'm getting what I've been
wanting to do for years.
379
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,967
It's time!
Then, the door swings open.
380
00:25:50,967 --> 00:25:52,469
Come over here.
381
00:25:52,469 --> 00:25:54,721
I was so focused
because he was filming me.
382
00:25:54,721 --> 00:25:57,474
I had camera fright.
383
00:25:57,474 --> 00:26:00,643
This video's live, and so
it was very, very scary.
384
00:26:00,643 --> 00:26:03,396
Fans, what color would
you like her base to be?
385
00:26:03,396 --> 00:26:05,857
You got purple, red, pink, yellow.
386
00:26:05,857 --> 00:26:07,859
He hyped me up, did lives,
387
00:26:07,859 --> 00:26:09,778
and he's reading off the comments.
388
00:26:09,778 --> 00:26:12,447
She's a sport. Guys, she's a sport.
389
00:26:12,447 --> 00:26:16,326
You're gonna be the best one,
you're gonna put on the best show ever.
390
00:26:16,326 --> 00:26:20,205
Hypes it up all the time. Really gets
you going, gets the fans going.
391
00:26:20,205 --> 00:26:24,125
And then, that-that starts to get
into, you know, your ego.
392
00:26:24,125 --> 00:26:25,502
You're like, "Oh, my God,
393
00:26:25,502 --> 00:26:28,588
"I got thousands of people watching me.
I was a nobody,
394
00:26:28,588 --> 00:26:31,341
I-- and now I got people rooting me on?"
395
00:26:31,341 --> 00:26:33,885
And you don't wanna let 'em down.
396
00:26:36,179 --> 00:26:37,806
They pushed us out of the van.
397
00:26:37,806 --> 00:26:40,100
And I think we had to crawl
through, like, chicken wire.
398
00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:42,018
They had, like, some maze
through a garage.
399
00:26:45,230 --> 00:26:47,941
When we got to the other side,
that's when we met Russ,
400
00:26:47,941 --> 00:26:50,860
and he looked so happy, so excited.
401
00:26:50,860 --> 00:26:53,613
He had a big old flashlight
with a camera on his head.
402
00:26:55,156 --> 00:26:57,784
In the moment,
just the way he's, like, talking about it
403
00:26:57,784 --> 00:27:01,287
and the tone of his voice as he's
talking about it as it's happening.
404
00:27:01,287 --> 00:27:04,833
Are you prepared?
Good. This is your one chance.
405
00:27:04,833 --> 00:27:08,128
I'm gonna give you an out.
If you want out, you can get out now.
406
00:27:08,128 --> 00:27:11,047
- Verbalize.
- No, I wanna stay in.
407
00:27:11,047 --> 00:27:13,967
Okay, that's what I like.
Okay, cover her eyes.
408
00:27:28,481 --> 00:27:30,525
It was definitely an endurance test.
409
00:27:40,243 --> 00:27:43,455
Wall climb! Batman time!
Batman time!
410
00:27:44,497 --> 00:27:47,876
There is no EMTs. There are no medics.
411
00:27:47,876 --> 00:27:49,669
What happens if you're in a stunt,
412
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:53,214
and somethin' happens to him,
and he's hurt? You could be tied up.
413
00:27:53,214 --> 00:27:56,760
Y-You're stuck, nobody's gonna find you.
414
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,054
- Oh! No, you go in there!
415
00:27:59,054 --> 00:28:01,139
- Sit!
416
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,102
Next thing I know, he grabs my chest
and dunks my head under water.
417
00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:08,480
And he holds my chest there.
418
00:28:11,816 --> 00:28:13,818
I'm thinking, "If I just hold my breath
419
00:28:13,818 --> 00:28:15,862
"and don't think, stop moving,
420
00:28:15,862 --> 00:28:18,323
he'll eventually pull me back up",
which he does.
421
00:28:18,323 --> 00:28:20,408
And then I start gasping for air again.
422
00:28:20,408 --> 00:28:22,744
And then he does it
five or six more times.
423
00:28:26,664 --> 00:28:28,500
What if this isn't fake?
424
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:30,710
What if I'm really trapped
in this-this freezer now?
425
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:34,130
Like, and I'm at this guy's house,
I don't know where I'm at location-wise.
426
00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:37,884
- Let me out!
- Louder!
427
00:28:37,884 --> 00:28:41,429
So, that just all happened in my mind,
and I just had a panic attack.
428
00:28:41,429 --> 00:28:43,765
- Let me out!
- You want out?
429
00:28:43,765 --> 00:28:47,268
- Oh, you crying? I think she was crying!
430
00:28:47,268 --> 00:28:49,854
Oh, beautiful tears, yes!
431
00:28:50,730 --> 00:28:53,733
- Oh, look at this. Look at the camera.
432
00:28:53,733 --> 00:28:55,318
Look at camera!
433
00:28:56,695 --> 00:28:57,904
I wanna get out.
434
00:28:58,863 --> 00:29:01,950
This is just the beginning.
You understand that, right?
435
00:29:01,950 --> 00:29:04,619
There's so many dark places
you're gonna go tonight.
436
00:29:09,207 --> 00:29:12,168
There's a certain point
where they put us in straitjackets
437
00:29:12,168 --> 00:29:14,796
with chains over our neck,
and I was like, "Oh gosh,
438
00:29:14,796 --> 00:29:16,506
this is uncomfortable and it's heavy."
439
00:29:19,926 --> 00:29:22,887
And then that's when the
water boarding proceeded to happen.
440
00:29:22,887 --> 00:29:25,015
Put your head in there.
441
00:29:35,817 --> 00:29:39,696
I was like, "Oh, this is what
it means to be waterboarded.
442
00:29:39,696 --> 00:29:42,198
I feel like I'm drowning."
443
00:29:43,450 --> 00:29:46,745
So, you're gonna have to be
looking for the big baby bottle.
444
00:29:46,953 --> 00:29:49,164
- Yeah, go.
445
00:29:49,164 --> 00:29:51,583
- Ew... Oh...
- Get on your belly.
446
00:29:51,583 --> 00:29:54,044
- Get on your belly!
447
00:29:54,044 --> 00:29:56,296
I'm terrified of spiders.
Like, to the point
448
00:29:56,296 --> 00:29:59,841
where if I even see one across the room,
I get, like, a rash, and I just get itchy
449
00:29:59,841 --> 00:30:02,385
'cause I just cannot stand them.
And he knew that.
450
00:30:02,385 --> 00:30:04,929
He asked me going in,
like, what my biggest fear was.
451
00:30:09,309 --> 00:30:12,771
- Shh. Don't make any noise.
452
00:30:12,771 --> 00:30:14,189
Shh...
453
00:30:14,189 --> 00:30:15,815
Don't make any quick motion.
454
00:30:15,815 --> 00:30:17,692
Please, no.
455
00:30:17,692 --> 00:30:20,153
They were telling me that
the tarantula was mad,
456
00:30:20,153 --> 00:30:21,613
and I didn't know that, like,
457
00:30:21,613 --> 00:30:23,907
you're not supposed
to handle tarantulas like that.
458
00:30:23,907 --> 00:30:26,201
So he could-- the tarantula,
like, could've gotten mad
459
00:30:26,201 --> 00:30:28,661
and like, at me, and bit me, I guess.
460
00:30:28,661 --> 00:30:31,748
So they were like, "Don't cry.
Quit freaking out, don't cry."
461
00:30:31,748 --> 00:30:33,875
And I was like,
"You have a spider on my face.
462
00:30:33,875 --> 00:30:36,002
How am I not supposed to cry?"
And then he's like,
463
00:30:36,002 --> 00:30:37,295
"We're gonna do it anyway.
464
00:30:37,295 --> 00:30:39,130
So like, if you cry,
you're gonna get hurt."
465
00:30:39,130 --> 00:30:42,092
So like, in the video, I just froze.
I think I just like, stopped breathing,
466
00:30:42,092 --> 00:30:44,469
and I just, like, had an
out of body experience.
467
00:30:44,469 --> 00:30:46,888
Please don't. Please.
468
00:30:46,888 --> 00:30:50,141
Look at her.
Look at her, Mary, look at her.
469
00:30:50,141 --> 00:30:52,519
- Isn't she pretty?
- Please!
470
00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:55,271
- Look at her.
- Please don't.
471
00:30:55,271 --> 00:30:57,399
- Please.
- Oops. Oops.
472
00:30:57,399 --> 00:30:59,734
Please don't. Please don't. Please don't!
473
00:30:59,734 --> 00:31:01,903
- Shh...
474
00:31:01,903 --> 00:31:04,572
It was, like, that moment that
it kind of shifted for me.
475
00:31:12,539 --> 00:31:15,083
I think I'd went seven, eight hours.
476
00:31:16,918 --> 00:31:18,795
Find that baby bottle.
477
00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:24,384
Alright, guys.
She's doing really good tonight.
478
00:31:24,384 --> 00:31:27,595
But, in that moment,
I'm like the celebrity.
479
00:31:27,595 --> 00:31:29,097
I have this huge fan base.
480
00:31:29,097 --> 00:31:31,599
That was big for me. That was huge.
481
00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:34,686
She's a trooper,
and she wants to continue on, so,
482
00:31:34,686 --> 00:31:37,397
so we're just,
we're doing stuff right now.
483
00:31:37,397 --> 00:31:39,607
You're a rock star.
484
00:31:39,607 --> 00:31:42,110
He closed this cage gate on top of me,
485
00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:44,112
and this water was freezing cold.
486
00:31:44,112 --> 00:31:46,281
And he said,
487
00:31:46,281 --> 00:31:49,367
"Okay, I'm gonna start
raising the water level."
488
00:31:49,367 --> 00:31:52,454
When I could start feeling the water rise
and when I remember
489
00:31:52,454 --> 00:31:54,789
I tried to put resistance on the cage,
490
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:56,916
and I-- it wouldn't budge,
491
00:31:58,084 --> 00:32:00,337
that's when I just, I was like,
I'm done. I'm done.
492
00:32:03,882 --> 00:32:05,842
- Exactly, exactly.
- I ended up quitting.
493
00:32:05,842 --> 00:32:09,262
- You got punished here.
- This is her punishment
494
00:32:09,262 --> 00:32:11,556
for not findin' the baby bottle.
495
00:32:11,556 --> 00:32:14,184
- McKamey Manor just what?
- McKamey Manor just kicked my ass.
496
00:32:14,184 --> 00:32:15,685
- And you quit.
- And I quit.
497
00:32:15,685 --> 00:32:19,230
- I didn't wanna die.
- I'm done.
498
00:32:19,230 --> 00:32:21,149
- Tell me you quit.
- I quit.
499
00:32:21,149 --> 00:32:23,526
I don't wanna be
locked in the dark anymore.
500
00:32:23,526 --> 00:32:25,987
Russ is there the entire time,
recording it.
501
00:32:25,987 --> 00:32:29,491
And the joy and, like, pleasure
502
00:32:29,491 --> 00:32:33,161
that he was getting out of it
was extremely weird.
503
00:32:33,161 --> 00:32:35,330
You could see he was unfazed.
504
00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:39,709
I'm here, bawling, I'm bleeding,
and you're just living your best life,
505
00:32:39,709 --> 00:32:42,545
trying to figure out how much
further you could take it.
506
00:32:42,545 --> 00:32:44,839
And I'm just-- that's concerning to me.
507
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:48,009
But in the moment, I was like,
"Oh, this is Russ, this is the guy.
508
00:32:48,009 --> 00:32:50,470
He has the camera on his head.
Let's do the tour."
509
00:32:51,012 --> 00:32:53,223
Some of these other extreme haunts,
510
00:32:53,223 --> 00:32:57,060
the trust that I've given them
has not been broken.
511
00:32:57,060 --> 00:33:01,022
Even though I'm telling them to push,
even though I'm telling them
512
00:33:01,022 --> 00:33:04,859
to do worse and worse stuff to me,
I think, deep down,
513
00:33:05,568 --> 00:33:07,654
I know that they're not gonna kill me.
514
00:33:07,654 --> 00:33:10,323
You know,
I know they're not gonna cause
515
00:33:10,323 --> 00:33:13,493
permanent physical danger,
516
00:33:13,493 --> 00:33:17,455
but trust was broken with Russ McKamey.
517
00:33:22,335 --> 00:33:24,629
My experience was fucked up,
but I also am aware
518
00:33:24,629 --> 00:33:27,173
that every experience after mine
519
00:33:27,173 --> 00:33:30,719
was a thousand times worse
because I think he did see
520
00:33:30,719 --> 00:33:34,014
that he kind of was able
to keep us for seven hours,
521
00:33:34,014 --> 00:33:37,559
and kind of do whatever he wanted,
and, like, we didn't do anything about it.
522
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:40,562
We just, like, left and said,
"Thanks so much, have a great time."
523
00:33:40,562 --> 00:33:43,565
So I think for him that was validation.
Like, "Oh, I could do more."
524
00:33:45,150 --> 00:33:49,112
Hey, everybody, it's Russ. Coming
at you right here from McKamey Manor.
525
00:33:49,112 --> 00:33:53,658
Never come here.
Don't let-- Don't let anybody
526
00:33:53,658 --> 00:33:55,910
talk you into it or any of that
527
00:33:55,910 --> 00:33:58,705
because it's, um, it's brutal.
528
00:34:06,171 --> 00:34:07,547
The "why."
529
00:34:15,889 --> 00:34:17,849
Everybody's always
gonna wonder the why,
530
00:34:17,849 --> 00:34:21,895
and the why is different for each
and every individual that goes through.
531
00:34:28,610 --> 00:34:30,111
My name is DJ Williams.
532
00:34:30,111 --> 00:34:33,198
I'm a full professor at
Idaho State University
533
00:34:33,198 --> 00:34:34,866
in Pocatello, Idaho.
534
00:34:34,866 --> 00:34:38,745
I was given the title Dr. Deviant
from a dominatrix who I mentored under.
535
00:34:40,246 --> 00:34:42,457
And my research covers sort of the range
536
00:34:42,457 --> 00:34:44,668
and spectrum of deviance and leisure,
537
00:34:44,668 --> 00:34:47,128
and that can include
a lot of different things.
538
00:34:47,128 --> 00:34:50,048
That can include criminal activity
as leisure.
539
00:34:50,048 --> 00:34:54,094
It can include BDSM
and sexuality as leisure.
540
00:34:54,969 --> 00:34:58,598
The extreme horror,
extreme experiences phenomenon,
541
00:34:58,598 --> 00:35:01,476
definitely fits within the area
of deviant leisure.
542
00:35:02,769 --> 00:35:04,688
And it's hard for people to understand
543
00:35:04,688 --> 00:35:08,733
someone who is clearly an intense
sensation seeker or risk taker
544
00:35:08,733 --> 00:35:11,569
that those challenges are actual needs.
545
00:35:11,569 --> 00:35:14,989
And so, we need to have a space,
an, an acceptance for people
546
00:35:14,989 --> 00:35:17,117
who are craving those kinds of needs.
547
00:35:17,117 --> 00:35:20,245
So, I think it's easy for, sometimes
people to kinda sit back and say,
548
00:35:20,245 --> 00:35:24,165
"Why would somebody do this?
There must be something wrong with them."
549
00:35:24,165 --> 00:35:26,710
And that's not the case, necessarily.
550
00:35:29,838 --> 00:35:32,674
I grew up in private Christian school.
551
00:35:32,674 --> 00:35:35,427
I grew up hearing if you lie,
you're gonna go to Hell.
552
00:35:35,427 --> 00:35:37,637
And it wasn't just, like,
you're gonna go to Hell.
553
00:35:37,637 --> 00:35:41,099
It's like, "Your skin is gonna burn off,
and your eyes are gonna melt."
554
00:35:41,099 --> 00:35:42,434
And I'm, like, 5.
555
00:35:43,643 --> 00:35:47,397
I am queer, so being Black-queer
in a space like that,
556
00:35:47,397 --> 00:35:49,691
was really hard to
navigate as, like, a young kid.
557
00:35:49,691 --> 00:35:52,485
It's, like, pro-conversion therapy,
"Let's get that out of you.
558
00:35:52,485 --> 00:35:54,946
This isn't natural.
You're living a life of sin."
559
00:35:54,946 --> 00:35:58,033
So just growing up hearing that,
I didn't even know that it was okay.
560
00:35:58,033 --> 00:35:59,993
I didn't even know what queer was.
561
00:35:59,993 --> 00:36:02,537
I just knew that, like,
I was really different.
562
00:36:02,537 --> 00:36:05,290
I just knew that it was bad and evil.
563
00:36:05,290 --> 00:36:08,543
To this day, like, I have anxiety 24/7,
564
00:36:08,543 --> 00:36:10,754
so, like, even right now,
my heart's like... .
565
00:36:10,754 --> 00:36:13,631
It used to be so bad where
I couldn't go to the grocery store,
566
00:36:13,631 --> 00:36:15,133
I would just like sit in my car
567
00:36:15,133 --> 00:36:17,635
'cause just I felt
too overwhelmed with everything.
568
00:36:17,635 --> 00:36:21,056
So, when I watch a horror film,
I have that same feeling,
569
00:36:21,056 --> 00:36:24,392
but it's safely on my couch,
and it makes sense.
570
00:36:25,477 --> 00:36:28,563
It's like, oh, there's a guy
with a chainsaw on the TV,
571
00:36:28,563 --> 00:36:29,939
like, gonna hurt somebody.
572
00:36:29,939 --> 00:36:32,067
There's a reason
to be anxious in this moment.
573
00:36:32,984 --> 00:36:34,778
Which is why I started looking into
574
00:36:34,778 --> 00:36:37,113
the whole immersive horror
experience thing.
575
00:36:37,113 --> 00:36:40,075
So, I was like,
"What if I live through something crazy"
576
00:36:40,075 --> 00:36:43,203
and then I know that I can
do anything going forward.
577
00:36:43,203 --> 00:36:44,662
It reminds me, "Hey,
578
00:36:44,662 --> 00:36:48,333
"I just went through
this series of events,
579
00:36:48,333 --> 00:36:49,626
and I survived."
580
00:36:54,255 --> 00:36:56,883
As a young child,
581
00:36:57,676 --> 00:37:00,470
I dealt with an abusive mother.
582
00:37:01,596 --> 00:37:04,474
Being put into a foster home
at such a young age
583
00:37:04,474 --> 00:37:06,935
was very, very traumatic.
584
00:37:07,686 --> 00:37:11,481
It was scary having to go through
people and people and people,
585
00:37:11,481 --> 00:37:15,568
and tell the same story over
and over again of what happened.
586
00:37:15,568 --> 00:37:17,487
To be one day ripped apart
587
00:37:17,487 --> 00:37:20,156
from everyone you know and everything.
588
00:37:20,156 --> 00:37:23,159
To be told you're taken to a safer place,
589
00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:28,081
and the place you're going to
is just full of unknown and uncertainty,
590
00:37:28,081 --> 00:37:31,167
and it just breaks a part of you inside.
591
00:37:32,419 --> 00:37:35,422
I feel like I do these things
to remind myself
592
00:37:35,422 --> 00:37:38,216
that I'm strong, and I'm a survivor,
593
00:37:38,216 --> 00:37:40,760
and I can get through a lot of shit.
594
00:37:43,138 --> 00:37:45,140
A lot of people go through
595
00:37:45,140 --> 00:37:47,267
really traumatic situations,
596
00:37:47,267 --> 00:37:50,854
and they find something to fill this gap.
597
00:37:50,854 --> 00:37:54,899
And I would see the progress of making it
through something that's terrible
598
00:37:54,899 --> 00:37:57,694
and-and using it to the
advantage of yourself.
599
00:38:02,490 --> 00:38:06,703
It sounds like there's a lot of,
kind of pushing, or here's an edge,
600
00:38:06,703 --> 00:38:08,955
but then, "Okay,
I can go beyond that edge.
601
00:38:08,955 --> 00:38:11,499
I just accomplished this.
I guess let's take it further."
602
00:38:11,499 --> 00:38:15,253
Like, I feel like I need--
Like, I need that type of punishment.
603
00:38:15,253 --> 00:38:16,546
Mm-hmm.
604
00:38:16,546 --> 00:38:18,631
Like it's something that--
605
00:38:19,591 --> 00:38:21,718
it's something that I feel like I deserve.
606
00:38:23,636 --> 00:38:26,723
When I got back,
I was a completely different person.
607
00:38:26,723 --> 00:38:29,476
Okay and that was after you came back
from the military, right?
608
00:38:29,476 --> 00:38:31,144
Yes, that was after my
609
00:38:31,144 --> 00:38:32,812
- third tour in Iraq.
- Okay.
610
00:38:32,812 --> 00:38:37,067
I didn't see here as home.
This wasn't home to me anymore.
611
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,862
I think I knew I had PTSD.
612
00:38:40,862 --> 00:38:43,448
I sure as hell didn't think
I had survivor's guilt,
613
00:38:43,448 --> 00:38:46,201
but one of the things I did is,
614
00:38:46,201 --> 00:38:48,620
I started giving away body parts.
615
00:38:48,620 --> 00:38:50,121
I gave my kidney away.
616
00:38:50,121 --> 00:38:53,750
I was also signed up to give
a piece of my liver away.
617
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:56,753
And I also signed up
for the bone marrow transplant list.
618
00:38:58,588 --> 00:39:00,799
I was gonna give away as much as I could.
619
00:39:02,133 --> 00:39:04,302
I didn't see any purpose anymore.
620
00:39:06,262 --> 00:39:08,640
There's parts of me that
are essentially broken, you know,
621
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,142
and, emotionally, mentally, physically,
what have you.
622
00:39:11,142 --> 00:39:14,396
It's not a bad thing to push the limits
623
00:39:14,396 --> 00:39:17,148
or to, you know, have a very real
human experience
624
00:39:17,148 --> 00:39:19,401
or to explore the edges
of human experience.
625
00:39:19,401 --> 00:39:22,320
I think that's actually an awesome thing.
626
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,907
But, you are desensitizing yourself
to those natural cues,
627
00:39:25,907 --> 00:39:28,993
where your brain and your body
is saying, "This is my limit."
628
00:39:30,286 --> 00:39:31,371
Yeah.
629
00:39:31,371 --> 00:39:34,249
That's something
really good to think about.
630
00:39:35,250 --> 00:39:38,253
Well, I mean, I just look
at those ultra-marathon runners, right?
631
00:39:38,253 --> 00:39:42,257
They punish their body.
Their feet are torn to pieces, you know?
632
00:39:42,257 --> 00:39:45,760
It's all in the name of,
you know, self-improvement.
633
00:39:48,221 --> 00:39:50,640
You have big wave surfers,
634
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,102
you have freestyle mountain climbers
who use no safety gear,
635
00:39:54,102 --> 00:39:56,187
deep ocean divers,
636
00:39:56,187 --> 00:39:58,565
and they're constantly pushing that edge.
637
00:39:58,565 --> 00:40:00,525
Why is this any different?
638
00:40:00,525 --> 00:40:03,570
I could never run an ultra marathon.
I know I can't.
639
00:40:03,570 --> 00:40:05,739
But, I can, I can get tortured
for 12 hours.
640
00:40:05,739 --> 00:40:07,657
The fun has just begun.
641
00:40:07,657 --> 00:40:11,369
So far, what you've endured
is nothing compared to the last half.
642
00:40:14,664 --> 00:40:18,251
Torture is the intentional infliction
643
00:40:18,251 --> 00:40:22,255
of serious or severe pain
and suffering
644
00:40:22,255 --> 00:40:24,466
- on a person...
645
00:40:24,466 --> 00:40:26,634
...for the purpose of punishment
646
00:40:26,634 --> 00:40:29,179
or to force them to do or say something.
647
00:40:31,348 --> 00:40:32,974
My name is Alka Pradhan.
648
00:40:32,974 --> 00:40:36,144
I'm a human rights attorney
practicing at Guantanamo Bay
649
00:40:36,144 --> 00:40:38,438
and before the International
Criminal Court.
650
00:40:38,438 --> 00:40:41,816
And my expertise is in
working with torture victims.
651
00:40:42,776 --> 00:40:47,405
And in my work at Guantanamo Bay,
I'm employed by the Department of Defense.
652
00:40:47,405 --> 00:40:50,033
And so, nothing I say represents
653
00:40:50,033 --> 00:40:52,410
the opinion of the Department of Defense.
654
00:40:52,410 --> 00:40:55,872
And nothing I say should be taken
to confirm or deny any information
655
00:40:55,872 --> 00:40:59,000
that the Department of Defense
considers to be classified.
656
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,046
Personally, I am really repulsed
657
00:41:03,046 --> 00:41:07,092
by the idea of anyone using torture
658
00:41:07,092 --> 00:41:10,387
or acts that simulate torture
659
00:41:10,387 --> 00:41:13,264
in a way that is entertaining.
660
00:41:15,475 --> 00:41:18,436
Nothing about torture is entertaining.
661
00:41:18,436 --> 00:41:21,773
Undergoing torture doesn't
really strengthen you.
662
00:41:21,773 --> 00:41:23,358
If it doesn't kill people,
663
00:41:23,358 --> 00:41:26,319
it affects them for the entirety
of their lives.
664
00:41:27,362 --> 00:41:30,031
The first thing to keep in mind is that
665
00:41:32,450 --> 00:41:34,369
all torture has
psychological effects.
666
00:41:34,619 --> 00:41:38,373
Even if you consent
to some aspect of that,
667
00:41:38,373 --> 00:41:40,792
the fear created in your mind,
668
00:41:41,918 --> 00:41:45,380
what psychologists often call
"uncontrollable stress,"
669
00:41:46,131 --> 00:41:48,425
can literally change your neural pathways.
670
00:41:48,425 --> 00:41:51,678
And it's something that is
almost impossible to remove.
671
00:41:55,140 --> 00:41:57,934
So, did-did you expect
all that after, you know?
672
00:41:57,934 --> 00:42:01,271
Well, I expected it to be rough,
but I didn't expect to actually cry.
673
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,153
- Yeah, you did cry.
- Yeah, like five times.
674
00:42:11,322 --> 00:42:14,868
Russ posted my video on YouTube,
and it went super viral.
675
00:42:20,832 --> 00:42:23,001
A few months after going through it,
676
00:42:23,001 --> 00:42:25,420
I, so bad, just wanted to be involved
677
00:42:25,420 --> 00:42:27,422
with, like, anything to do with horror.
678
00:42:27,422 --> 00:42:30,508
Whether it was, like, acting
or, like, writing or anything.
679
00:42:31,509 --> 00:42:33,178
And Russ saw that.
680
00:42:34,095 --> 00:42:37,724
And I ended up running his Facebook group,
I was running his YouTube channel,
681
00:42:37,724 --> 00:42:40,393
I was running his Twitter.
I was like his little assistant.
682
00:42:40,393 --> 00:42:43,146
Get people into the haunt, hype it up.
683
00:42:43,146 --> 00:42:45,357
If people were talking
negatively about it,
684
00:42:45,357 --> 00:42:47,359
I was supposed to, like, undercut them.
685
00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:50,278
Be like, "No, like, I've met Russ.
He's, like, such a great guy."
686
00:42:50,278 --> 00:42:53,490
So, I was just supposed to
be his, like, wingman.
687
00:42:54,741 --> 00:42:57,994
But then, I started to
get some weird feelings.
688
00:42:57,994 --> 00:42:59,829
Um,
689
00:42:59,829 --> 00:43:03,375
I'm just gonna keep this short.
It's actually hard to talk.
690
00:43:03,375 --> 00:43:07,420
As you can see,
my lips are severely swollen.
691
00:43:07,420 --> 00:43:09,714
He likes men that have
been in the military.
692
00:43:09,714 --> 00:43:13,551
I think Russ really got off
on, like, the power dynamic with the men.
693
00:43:16,096 --> 00:43:18,181
There are some tours where
694
00:43:18,181 --> 00:43:21,518
the way that they were
beat up was just too-- like, too far.
695
00:43:21,518 --> 00:43:24,145
Like, broken ribs, concussions,
696
00:43:24,145 --> 00:43:26,481
like, eyes so swollen that
they can't even open 'em.
697
00:43:29,192 --> 00:43:30,694
And I think for him, it's power.
698
00:43:30,694 --> 00:43:33,488
Like, "This guy was in the Marines?
Like, look at me kicking his ass."
699
00:43:38,118 --> 00:43:41,413
- And then, like, vulnerable women.
- No, Russ, that water freaks me out.
700
00:43:41,413 --> 00:43:43,665
- You know that! I hate--
701
00:43:43,665 --> 00:43:45,792
Please! Please, don't!
702
00:43:45,792 --> 00:43:48,712
Russ feels that if you go
through one of his experiences,
703
00:43:48,712 --> 00:43:52,132
especially if you're female,
you now have a special bond with Russ.
704
00:43:52,132 --> 00:43:55,635
He really only wanted, like, pretty girls.
705
00:43:57,220 --> 00:43:59,639
No. No! No.
706
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:01,307
Honey, be quiet.
707
00:44:03,643 --> 00:44:07,689
You knew when he had a new girlfriend
because it was nonstop shows.
708
00:44:07,689 --> 00:44:10,316
He would have them come to his house,
709
00:44:10,316 --> 00:44:12,485
and he would just make them
710
00:44:12,485 --> 00:44:14,988
continuously go through a tour
711
00:44:14,988 --> 00:44:16,781
every day that they were with him.
712
00:44:19,492 --> 00:44:22,495
- For some reasons, he feels like
713
00:44:22,495 --> 00:44:24,789
with these women he can go an extra step,
714
00:44:24,789 --> 00:44:28,376
and that safety harness just
gets removed a little more.
715
00:44:28,376 --> 00:44:31,838
Things like laying in the grass
with a ski mask on my face,
716
00:44:31,838 --> 00:44:34,007
getting sprayed with water over and over,
717
00:44:34,007 --> 00:44:37,177
or submerging into cold water
over and over.
718
00:44:37,177 --> 00:44:38,970
And in one particular activity,
719
00:44:38,970 --> 00:44:41,806
I confessed that I was
actually afraid of dying.
720
00:44:41,806 --> 00:44:44,934
And he laughed and said that if I died,
721
00:44:44,934 --> 00:44:46,561
at least I would be on camera.
722
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,690
These are really good-looking women.
723
00:44:50,690 --> 00:44:52,901
And you got this guy
who lives in a trailer
724
00:44:52,901 --> 00:44:54,986
that sprays you in the face with a hose.
725
00:44:54,986 --> 00:44:58,823
What is he doing to keep 'em to stay?
726
00:44:59,407 --> 00:45:01,368
- I don't know.
- I like that.
727
00:45:01,368 --> 00:45:04,454
- There she is!
728
00:45:04,454 --> 00:45:07,540
There she is! The pretty one right there.
729
00:45:07,540 --> 00:45:09,793
McKamey Manor was "Tinder" to him.
730
00:45:09,793 --> 00:45:11,211
Was his "Plenty of Fish."
731
00:45:11,211 --> 00:45:14,297
That's what he used it for.
That's the impression that I got.
732
00:45:14,297 --> 00:45:16,466
You can do this.
Put your head up, please.
733
00:45:17,926 --> 00:45:20,095
You got this, okay? You got it.
734
00:45:20,095 --> 00:45:24,099
He was my friend. Like, I don't want
to think that he would actually
735
00:45:24,099 --> 00:45:27,769
purposely manipulate
these women, but he does.
736
00:45:27,769 --> 00:45:30,355
Show 'em what you got in your mouth.
737
00:45:30,355 --> 00:45:33,024
- Ah, ah, ah!
- That's right.
738
00:45:33,024 --> 00:45:35,902
- Come here, and you can wear that, too.
- Yep!
739
00:45:35,902 --> 00:45:38,071
He knows how to get into people's heads,
740
00:45:38,071 --> 00:45:42,158
he knows the right thing to say,
he can read a person really good.
741
00:45:42,575 --> 00:45:45,286
I've seen Russ talk to a person
742
00:45:45,286 --> 00:45:48,498
that hates everything about the haunt,
743
00:45:48,498 --> 00:45:50,750
and turn them into a friend by the end
744
00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:52,252
and wanting to sign up.
745
00:45:52,252 --> 00:45:55,130
He-He is so good at what he does.
746
00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:58,049
Yeah, I'm that big crazy
haunted house guy! That's me!
747
00:45:58,049 --> 00:46:00,969
- Are you scared of me?
748
00:46:00,969 --> 00:46:02,637
I'm pretty scary, aren't I?
749
00:46:05,932 --> 00:46:08,601
You know, he would try
to manipulate me, too.
750
00:46:13,273 --> 00:46:15,066
When I went through,
751
00:46:16,067 --> 00:46:20,030
Russ had me sit back in, like, a trough.
752
00:46:22,323 --> 00:46:25,076
- Yeah. You like that?
- No.
753
00:46:26,161 --> 00:46:30,415
We're gonna fill up this entire
little device right here.
754
00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:34,669
And we're gonna have a good time, Kris.
755
00:46:34,669 --> 00:46:36,338
- Oh, yeah.
756
00:46:36,338 --> 00:46:40,842
When I started to realize that I was
having the dirt poured over my face...
757
00:46:40,842 --> 00:46:43,970
- No, no, no, no, no.
758
00:46:43,970 --> 00:46:45,764
- How's that feel?
759
00:46:45,764 --> 00:46:46,848
No, no, no, no.
760
00:46:46,848 --> 00:46:49,267
...and then you're thinking,
"Russ is my friend."
761
00:46:49,267 --> 00:46:52,395
You know, "He's-He's just gonna make
it look good for the camera."
762
00:46:53,104 --> 00:46:54,606
But then, he didn't stop.
763
00:46:54,606 --> 00:46:57,025
- No, no, no, no, no...
- Who's your friend?
764
00:46:57,025 --> 00:46:58,943
- Quiet, shut up. Shut up.
765
00:46:58,943 --> 00:47:00,612
And I can't even tell you
766
00:47:00,612 --> 00:47:03,615
the amount of times in that video
that I said "Stop."
767
00:47:03,615 --> 00:47:05,950
- We're gonna bury you completely.
768
00:47:05,950 --> 00:47:08,328
Mm-mm. No,
I can't do it. Can't do it.
769
00:47:08,328 --> 00:47:10,705
- No, I can't do it.
- You gotta be quiet.
770
00:47:10,705 --> 00:47:12,832
- Be quiet!
- No, I'm freaking out.
771
00:47:12,832 --> 00:47:15,126
- You're not freaking out.
- No!
772
00:47:15,126 --> 00:47:17,587
I was done. Game over.
773
00:47:17,587 --> 00:47:20,799
And it just kept going
and going and going.
774
00:47:20,799 --> 00:47:23,843
And in that moment,
I didn't know if it was gonna stop.
775
00:47:23,843 --> 00:47:26,054
We have hours
and hours to go, Kris.
776
00:47:26,054 --> 00:47:27,931
No, no, no. Russ, no.
777
00:47:27,931 --> 00:47:29,849
- No more, no more.
- You're fine.
778
00:47:29,849 --> 00:47:31,810
- Be quiet.
- I quit, I quit.
779
00:47:31,810 --> 00:47:33,687
You don't quit.
There is no quitting.
780
00:47:33,687 --> 00:47:35,772
- No.
- There is no quitting, Kris.
781
00:47:35,772 --> 00:47:38,316
I-I started to question,
"Is this the end?"
782
00:47:38,316 --> 00:47:39,693
I-I can't get out of this.
783
00:47:39,693 --> 00:47:42,987
I was stuck in a spot that
I was not moving from.
784
00:47:42,987 --> 00:47:45,573
I wanna bury you completely. Completely.
785
00:47:45,573 --> 00:47:48,201
No, I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't.
786
00:47:48,201 --> 00:47:50,745
- Russ, I can't. Russ, I can't.
787
00:47:50,745 --> 00:47:53,707
- I quit. Russ, I quit. I can't.
- There's no quitting.
788
00:47:53,707 --> 00:47:56,126
- Russ, I--
- Ooh there!
789
00:47:56,126 --> 00:47:59,796
That doubt starts to seep into your head,
and you're thinkin',
790
00:47:59,796 --> 00:48:02,465
"I didn't say goodbye to people.
Why did I come here?
791
00:48:02,465 --> 00:48:04,676
"Why did I go against that
better judgment?
792
00:48:04,676 --> 00:48:08,722
Am I finally gonna be the one
that the line is crossed for?"
793
00:48:10,807 --> 00:48:12,434
You really don't wanna do this.
794
00:48:15,145 --> 00:48:18,064
So tell the folks about
whether they should come here or not.
795
00:48:18,064 --> 00:48:20,358
No, don't go.
Don't come here. Don't sign up.
796
00:48:20,358 --> 00:48:23,278
Yeah, sign up. It's fun.
Come on down. Good times for everybody.
797
00:48:23,278 --> 00:48:25,238
- No, it's not.
- Yes, it is!
798
00:48:36,916 --> 00:48:40,045
You know, what I really enjoy
is making my little movies.
799
00:48:42,130 --> 00:48:44,591
So, in a way,
I'm a little filmmaker as well.
800
00:48:55,643 --> 00:49:00,774
He works on those videos,
it seems like 24/7.
801
00:49:00,774 --> 00:49:04,819
And so, I constantly hear
screaming all night long.
802
00:49:07,238 --> 00:49:10,241
People tell me this is fake.
Is this fake right now?
803
00:49:10,241 --> 00:49:13,536
- No, sir, it's not fake.
804
00:49:13,536 --> 00:49:16,414
If you ever question
if we're real or not,
805
00:49:16,414 --> 00:49:18,833
just watch the movies
806
00:49:18,833 --> 00:49:20,960
and watch how these people end up.
807
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,254
I quit! I quit! I quit! I quit!
808
00:49:24,381 --> 00:49:28,009
You'll see individuals
literally in shock.
809
00:49:28,009 --> 00:49:30,595
I can't do it,
I can't do it, I can't do it.
810
00:49:30,595 --> 00:49:32,931
You'll see them
mumbling to themselves,
811
00:49:32,931 --> 00:49:36,226
not knowing what date it is,
not knowing who the president is.
812
00:49:36,226 --> 00:49:39,062
Who's our first president?
Quick, hurry up.
813
00:49:39,062 --> 00:49:41,356
- I don't know!
814
00:49:42,482 --> 00:49:46,027
That camera. When that camera's in front,
your limits are gone.
815
00:49:46,027 --> 00:49:48,238
- Put your head down.
- Anything that you sign,
816
00:49:48,238 --> 00:49:50,073
thinkin' that you were getting into
817
00:49:50,073 --> 00:49:52,909
and those were the rules
that were set in place,
818
00:49:52,909 --> 00:49:56,955
they don't exist.
He wants that Kodak moment.
819
00:49:56,955 --> 00:50:01,251
He wants to be able to see that true fear,
when that person thinks,
820
00:50:01,251 --> 00:50:04,170
"I'm gonna be the first person
to die at McKamey Manor."
821
00:50:12,220 --> 00:50:13,847
So,
822
00:50:13,847 --> 00:50:15,515
it was a person,
823
00:50:15,515 --> 00:50:18,601
they sent me photos I hadn't seen.
824
00:50:19,894 --> 00:50:22,772
And it was the photos of Lori.
825
00:50:26,943 --> 00:50:30,905
I'm seein' this girl that was just beaten,
like a gang initiation.
826
00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:36,661
And that's when I said,
"Why did you let that go?"
827
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:39,330
And the answer I got was,
828
00:50:39,330 --> 00:50:42,375
"You'd be surprised what you would do
to get the right shot."
829
00:50:44,294 --> 00:50:47,964
When I saw these pictures of Lori,
I-I couldn't do it anymore.
830
00:51:00,101 --> 00:51:02,312
- No?
- I hate it.
831
00:51:03,146 --> 00:51:04,981
You hate it? Well,
832
00:51:04,981 --> 00:51:07,400
- hold still, my dear.
- No!
833
00:51:11,321 --> 00:51:13,823
Oh... God.
834
00:51:13,823 --> 00:51:16,701
- And just for safe--
835
00:51:16,701 --> 00:51:19,204
Don't cry, you're still beautiful.
836
00:51:21,331 --> 00:51:24,125
Gosh. I had no idea what
I was getting myself into.
837
00:51:27,045 --> 00:51:29,255
I don't know how
he's able to legally do this
838
00:51:29,255 --> 00:51:31,257
because I don't feel like it's legal.
839
00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:38,723
Yeah, absolutely. I--
Whenever he's physically abusing
840
00:51:38,723 --> 00:51:41,017
the females who he entraps in his house.
841
00:51:41,017 --> 00:51:42,560
How far can we take it?
842
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,562
I don't think I could legally sue him.
843
00:51:44,562 --> 00:51:47,107
We signed agreements.
We're consenting adults.
844
00:51:54,906 --> 00:51:57,158
I don't think there was ever a time
where I was like, I don't--
845
00:51:57,158 --> 00:51:59,285
Maybe the spider. But,
846
00:51:59,285 --> 00:52:01,746
I don't think I made it clear
with anything else
847
00:52:01,746 --> 00:52:03,581
that I was, like, not consenting.
848
00:52:03,581 --> 00:52:05,709
I didn't really feel like I
could say that, though,
849
00:52:05,709 --> 00:52:07,127
'cause I signed the waiver.
850
00:52:07,127 --> 00:52:10,714
So I think signing the waiver, I just felt
like, I was obligated to stay in it.
851
00:52:12,966 --> 00:52:15,427
We all agreed to it.
852
00:52:29,524 --> 00:52:31,651
There may be an element of shame
853
00:52:31,651 --> 00:52:35,030
in the fact that you signed up
for this experience, um,
854
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:37,824
and this sense that you kind of
brought it on yourself.
855
00:52:37,824 --> 00:52:41,536
But, under the law, even if
they have signed a waiver,
856
00:52:42,704 --> 00:52:46,207
they may still have recourse
for what was done to them.
857
00:52:49,252 --> 00:52:51,296
We tend to be pretty liberal
in the United States
858
00:52:51,296 --> 00:52:53,006
about what you can consent to.
859
00:52:55,300 --> 00:52:57,969
It is certainly possible when you attend,
for example,
860
00:52:57,969 --> 00:53:01,348
a haunted house,
to consent to certain acts
861
00:53:01,348 --> 00:53:05,268
that may cause fear
or that may even touch you
862
00:53:05,268 --> 00:53:09,272
in what would otherwise be considered
offensive contact or battery.
863
00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:16,654
But, the line is drawn
when something constitutes
864
00:53:16,654 --> 00:53:18,156
serious bodily injury.
865
00:53:18,156 --> 00:53:20,617
Examples of that would be
866
00:53:20,617 --> 00:53:22,452
traumatic brain injuries,
867
00:53:22,452 --> 00:53:24,037
fractures,
868
00:53:24,037 --> 00:53:25,455
back injuries,
869
00:53:25,455 --> 00:53:29,125
and psychological injuries
that require prolonged treatment.
870
00:53:29,125 --> 00:53:34,297
So, it is simply not possible
for someone to say,
871
00:53:34,297 --> 00:53:38,843
"Yes, I am okay with permanent physical
or psychological damage.
872
00:53:40,011 --> 00:53:42,097
Even if they say that,
873
00:53:42,097 --> 00:53:45,183
under the law, that cannot be valid.
874
00:53:45,809 --> 00:53:49,646
But, the other aspect of it
is that it's a violation of your consent.
875
00:53:49,646 --> 00:53:52,232
If, for example, your mouth is covered,
876
00:53:52,232 --> 00:53:53,942
so you cannot say the safe word,
877
00:53:53,942 --> 00:53:56,778
or the circumstances in that situation
878
00:53:56,778 --> 00:54:00,198
are such that you really
couldn't reasonably be expected
879
00:54:00,198 --> 00:54:02,742
to remember or be able
to say a safe word,
880
00:54:02,742 --> 00:54:07,247
but are acting in other ways that make it
very clear that you've withdrawn consent.
881
00:54:07,247 --> 00:54:10,166
Please, sir,
I don't wanna do this anymore, sir!
882
00:54:10,166 --> 00:54:12,877
Then, I think the proprietor
may have a real problem.
883
00:54:25,724 --> 00:54:28,435
I would love to see
the manor just go away.
884
00:54:28,977 --> 00:54:31,980
I would love to sit down
with everybody that's done it
885
00:54:31,980 --> 00:54:34,858
and just kind of band together and
figure out how we can make change
886
00:54:34,858 --> 00:54:36,401
and, like, stop him.
887
00:54:36,401 --> 00:54:39,154
And even if jail isn't where
he ends up, that's fine.
888
00:54:39,154 --> 00:54:41,406
Like, he just shouldn't
be doing what he's doing.
889
00:54:42,657 --> 00:54:46,411
Once the fans are able
to see Russ in his true form,
890
00:54:47,996 --> 00:54:49,622
I'm hoping the following's gone.
891
00:54:49,622 --> 00:54:52,250
And when the following's gone,
the manor's gone.
892
00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:55,337
- The way that you stop him
893
00:54:56,129 --> 00:55:00,050
is to make sure the truth
is actually known.
894
00:55:06,514 --> 00:55:08,183
I wanted to do something.
895
00:55:08,183 --> 00:55:09,976
But I didn't know what kind of trouble
896
00:55:09,976 --> 00:55:12,937
I was gonna get into
from getting into somebody's emails.
897
00:55:18,151 --> 00:55:19,527
Definitely.
898
00:55:24,449 --> 00:55:26,242
It's gonna be worth it in the end.
899
00:55:30,246 --> 00:55:32,916
One day, I was bored.
I was looking up on the internet,
900
00:55:32,916 --> 00:55:36,252
"Haunted houses that pay you
for going through them."
901
00:55:36,252 --> 00:55:39,047
And I seen this haunted house
will give you $20,000
902
00:55:39,047 --> 00:55:41,007
if you make it through it.
903
00:55:41,007 --> 00:55:43,134
I just got married, I had an apartment,
904
00:55:43,134 --> 00:55:46,012
and, um, I was like, "Man,
$20,000 is a lot of money."
905
00:55:46,012 --> 00:55:48,264
So, I could use that, and there's no way
906
00:55:48,264 --> 00:55:50,016
I was not gonna get that $20,000.
907
00:55:50,016 --> 00:55:52,310
- His hands are shaking.
- Oh, I know.
908
00:55:52,310 --> 00:55:53,603
- He is shaking, isn't he?
- Oh, yeah.
909
00:55:53,603 --> 00:55:56,690
- Pop 'em one, Russ.
910
00:55:57,607 --> 00:56:00,110
Come on. Follow my voice, let's go.
911
00:56:04,072 --> 00:56:07,200
- I'm suggesting you quit.
- Never.
912
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:11,037
- Never. Never? He says never!
- I was arguing with him back.
913
00:56:11,037 --> 00:56:13,832
Like, I wasn't bein' passive.
I wasn't bein' submissive to him.
914
00:56:13,832 --> 00:56:15,500
And I think that's what
really got him mad.
915
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:18,336
- Sleep first, then you can do it.
- For the easiest--
916
00:56:18,336 --> 00:56:20,463
I don't fall for that crap. Just sleep.
917
00:56:20,463 --> 00:56:24,134
- Okay, y-you need to be quiet.
- No, I don't, dude. What a joke--
918
00:56:24,134 --> 00:56:26,386
- You want a joke, huh?
919
00:56:26,386 --> 00:56:29,014
- You know what? You're done.
- Don't even do it, dude. No.
920
00:56:29,014 --> 00:56:31,016
- Get the hell off me.
- Keep that camera on.
921
00:56:31,016 --> 00:56:34,978
This is what we're seeing right now.
You're out of it right now. You're done.
922
00:56:34,978 --> 00:56:37,230
I thought there was gonna be $20,000.
923
00:56:37,230 --> 00:56:40,233
I thought there was gonna be a haunt.
I wasted all my money
924
00:56:40,233 --> 00:56:42,902
and my work days and all that
going there, just to get humiliated.
925
00:56:42,902 --> 00:56:45,030
What a freak show that was, right?
926
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:46,906
At that point I wasn't even mad
about the money anymore,
927
00:56:46,906 --> 00:56:47,991
it was just the embarrassment.
928
00:56:52,746 --> 00:56:56,041
So, I started a Facebook page called,
"McKamey Manor Exposed."
929
00:56:59,085 --> 00:57:01,713
I wanted it to be a place
where people could actually come,
930
00:57:01,713 --> 00:57:04,966
say what they need to say
without having to worry about threats.
931
00:57:10,221 --> 00:57:13,975
The biggest thing we found, though,
was we actually got into Russ's emails.
932
00:57:16,061 --> 00:57:19,647
Russ has a very old email service,
and that's where he messed up.
933
00:57:20,273 --> 00:57:23,193
The company that Russ has for the email
has a phone number.
934
00:57:23,193 --> 00:57:26,196
So, I called them, and I was like,
"Hey, yeah, I my password."
935
00:57:26,946 --> 00:57:30,241
So, they says, "Okay, what's your name?"
"Russ McKamey."
936
00:57:30,241 --> 00:57:32,952
He's like, "Okay, when's the last time
you were on your email?"
937
00:57:32,952 --> 00:57:34,746
And I was like, you know,
I'm gonna make a good guess.
938
00:57:34,746 --> 00:57:35,955
I'll say, "Oh it was yesterday."
939
00:57:35,955 --> 00:57:37,582
She's like, "Oh, alright.
Yeah, that was correct."
940
00:57:37,582 --> 00:57:39,876
I changed the password
for my email address,
941
00:57:39,876 --> 00:57:42,712
and then I locked him out.
We hit the jackpot.
942
00:57:48,510 --> 00:57:52,263
From his email, we found that
he wasn't paying his taxes on his barn.
943
00:57:53,807 --> 00:57:56,393
And Russ wrote this email
back to the tax guy saying,
944
00:57:56,393 --> 00:57:59,062
"This manor is fake.
Everything I'm saying is fake."
945
00:57:59,062 --> 00:58:02,774
"Russ, I talked to my lawyer today."
I got Russ here with his tax problems.
946
00:58:02,774 --> 00:58:06,361
This is from Russ's son:
"You absolutely disgust me."
947
00:58:09,572 --> 00:58:13,451
This guy's really obsessed and, like,
really going after his girlfriend.
948
00:58:13,451 --> 00:58:16,037
"What you did was
absolutely unacceptable."
949
00:58:16,037 --> 00:58:19,082
So I took those emails,
I took screenshots, and I showed those.
950
00:58:19,082 --> 00:58:21,459
Here's the proof right here.
This is, like, something
951
00:58:21,459 --> 00:58:25,338
you're never gonna see anywhere else.
I put everything on my Facebook page,
952
00:58:25,338 --> 00:58:27,549
And I was like,
"You guys gotta tell your stories."
953
00:58:31,344 --> 00:58:33,013
All these other groups popped up.
954
00:58:35,098 --> 00:58:37,767
People started posting stuff online
955
00:58:37,767 --> 00:58:40,228
that Russ definitely
didn't want anybody to see.
956
00:58:40,687 --> 00:58:44,524
Guys, he will stuff you in a freezer
full of water upside down until you tap.
957
00:58:44,524 --> 00:58:48,278
He got his claws so onto my brain.
958
00:58:48,737 --> 00:58:51,823
Once I got away from it, I was like,
I'm just gonna expose him.
959
00:58:51,823 --> 00:58:54,284
This is where
he's reading over the waiver.
960
00:58:55,702 --> 00:58:58,079
So, I posted the reaction videos
on YouTube.
961
00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:00,498
I was very surprised at
how many people saw it.
962
00:59:00,498 --> 00:59:05,045
I was in water, and I had, like,
this much air to breathe.
963
00:59:05,045 --> 00:59:08,340
Fast forward to now, it's, like,
two-point-something million views.
964
00:59:08,340 --> 00:59:12,552
There's so much drama
in these online communities, right?
965
00:59:12,552 --> 00:59:15,889
It's the McKamey Manor
Facebook group people
966
00:59:15,889 --> 00:59:16,973
fighting these people,
967
00:59:16,973 --> 00:59:18,850
and then those people are
fighting against these people.
968
00:59:22,437 --> 00:59:24,564
If you go on his Facebook page,
969
00:59:24,564 --> 00:59:26,274
it's a straight-up cult.
970
00:59:26,274 --> 00:59:28,610
They are obsessed with him.
Like, they don't care.
971
00:59:28,610 --> 00:59:32,155
Russ could say the sky is green,
and they'll say, "Yes, sir, it is green."
972
00:59:33,406 --> 00:59:35,909
They will go after the people
973
00:59:35,909 --> 00:59:38,328
who they perceive as one of their enemies
974
00:59:38,328 --> 00:59:41,122
or one of their haters
with everything that they have.
975
00:59:43,541 --> 00:59:45,710
He would send people to the haters.
976
00:59:45,710 --> 00:59:49,172
He called everyone a hater
that didn't agree with what he was doing,
977
00:59:49,172 --> 00:59:52,967
and he basically encouraged them to, like,
bully, destroy someone on the internet.
978
00:59:53,885 --> 00:59:57,055
I just got jumped on by all these people
from Russ or whatever,
979
00:59:57,055 --> 00:59:58,890
and they just tore me apart.
980
00:59:59,391 --> 01:00:02,352
One guy text me a picture
of where I work at.
981
01:00:02,352 --> 01:00:04,312
"You're gonna get a call from us," and,
982
01:00:04,312 --> 01:00:06,898
you know, "See your online activities
of what you're doin'."
983
01:00:06,898 --> 01:00:09,275
It's not Russ doin' this.
It's his followers.
984
01:00:09,275 --> 01:00:12,946
People started showing
personal pictures of me on the internet.
985
01:00:12,946 --> 01:00:16,616
Then went to phone numbers,
then went to addresses.
986
01:00:16,616 --> 01:00:20,537
I would get anonymous emails
that were saying some godawful things.
987
01:00:20,537 --> 01:00:23,456
Those are all hate groups.
Those aren't the real deal.
988
01:00:26,501 --> 01:00:29,963
He was very much like
cult leader man.
989
01:00:29,963 --> 01:00:32,841
Like, "Listen to what I'm saying.
This is what's good for you.
990
01:00:32,841 --> 01:00:35,093
"This is what
a haunted house experience is.
991
01:00:35,093 --> 01:00:37,429
"If anyone tells you otherwise,
they're wrong.
992
01:00:37,429 --> 01:00:39,139
"And if you believe that, you're stupid.
993
01:00:39,431 --> 01:00:41,516
"If you're not with me,
you're against me.
994
01:00:41,516 --> 01:00:43,435
And I will make your life
a living hell."
995
01:00:45,562 --> 01:00:49,232
I started asking questions,
and that's what Russ does not want.
996
01:00:49,232 --> 01:00:51,693
That dude is a psychopath!
997
01:00:51,693 --> 01:00:56,072
- I don't even know why you would do it.
998
01:00:56,072 --> 01:00:58,825
There's a whole big group of people,
999
01:00:58,825 --> 01:01:01,036
and all they're trying
to do is expose him.
1000
01:01:01,703 --> 01:01:05,081
Russ McKamey and the actors
have done some things
1001
01:01:05,081 --> 01:01:07,083
that we need-- they need to answer for.
1002
01:01:07,083 --> 01:01:10,378
Reason he's not in jail is because
technically no one has been un-alived yet.
1003
01:01:10,378 --> 01:01:13,673
Russ actually owes hundreds
of thousands of dollars in taxes.
1004
01:01:13,673 --> 01:01:18,887
Some neighbors actually even called 911,
thinking that there had been an abduction.
1005
01:01:19,137 --> 01:01:21,556
The town
turned against McKamey Manor.
1006
01:01:21,556 --> 01:01:24,601
There's already
a national movement against Russ.
1007
01:01:24,601 --> 01:01:28,104
We need to keep fighting the good fight
and, uh, doin' what we're doin'.
1008
01:01:29,230 --> 01:01:30,607
More than 13,000...
1009
01:01:30,607 --> 01:01:33,026
- 18,000...
- 56,000 people.
1010
01:01:33,026 --> 01:01:36,988
...signing a Change.org petition
to have McKamey Manor closed.
1011
01:01:38,990 --> 01:01:40,700
The petitions were comin'.
1012
01:01:40,700 --> 01:01:42,994
Continuing to get more signatures.
1013
01:01:45,955 --> 01:01:48,750
Now, you got the media's attention.
1014
01:01:49,209 --> 01:01:52,045
You are getting reporters
wanting to show up on site.
1015
01:01:52,045 --> 01:01:55,340
When you're running this big charade
1016
01:01:55,340 --> 01:01:57,801
of a haunt that's supposedly there,
1017
01:01:58,677 --> 01:02:00,637
how do you not show them that stuff?
1018
01:02:01,388 --> 01:02:04,766
So, Russ ran with the petitions
to shut down
1019
01:02:05,183 --> 01:02:08,728
and said, "Oh, they got the best of us.
The Manor's down."
1020
01:02:15,485 --> 01:02:17,737
Right now, we're dismantling the manor.
1021
01:02:19,989 --> 01:02:21,908
He literally packed up very quickly
1022
01:02:21,908 --> 01:02:24,411
and booked it across
the country somewhere else.
1023
01:02:31,292 --> 01:02:34,004
Russ is working. He works at Walmart.
1024
01:02:36,089 --> 01:02:38,091
I think he was just doing it
1025
01:02:38,091 --> 01:02:40,051
because there was a lull
1026
01:02:40,051 --> 01:02:42,595
at getting people to the manor.
1027
01:02:42,595 --> 01:02:47,434
Russ, the guy that had McKamey Manor,
has moved to around here
1028
01:02:47,434 --> 01:02:50,020
where I live the last couple years.
1029
01:02:50,020 --> 01:02:52,605
Well, I just found out on Facebook
that apparently,
1030
01:02:52,605 --> 01:02:54,941
he works at Walmart
in the Garden Center.
1031
01:02:54,941 --> 01:02:58,319
Wait, you stay.
If I need you, holler for back up.
1032
01:02:58,319 --> 01:03:01,364
This is where this man
has decided to relocate.
1033
01:03:01,781 --> 01:03:03,491
- How are you?
- Hey, how you doing?
1034
01:03:03,491 --> 01:03:04,784
Want a bag, miss?
1035
01:03:09,414 --> 01:03:11,750
Y'all, that was fucking him,
1036
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:14,294
and it just checked me out.
I'm shaking.
1037
01:03:14,294 --> 01:03:16,379
I didn't-- I thought I was gonna
be all confrontational,
1038
01:03:16,379 --> 01:03:18,298
and I thought I was gonna, like, say this,
1039
01:03:18,298 --> 01:03:19,841
but it's like when you're in the fucking--
1040
01:03:19,841 --> 01:03:22,719
When you're actually
in the presence of a sociopath,
1041
01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:25,055
and you know it,
1042
01:03:25,055 --> 01:03:27,182
bro, you lose all that confidence.
1043
01:03:27,182 --> 01:03:31,603
Oh, my God, I'm literally shaking.
1044
01:03:37,525 --> 01:03:40,528
There's three types of Russ
that you should know.
1045
01:03:41,279 --> 01:03:44,949
There is the fun-loving Russ
that the followers love.
1046
01:03:44,949 --> 01:03:47,285
- That's a front.
- Help.
1047
01:03:47,285 --> 01:03:49,954
You have the scary Russ
who's going through the show
1048
01:03:49,954 --> 01:03:51,748
you're dealing with.
That's a front.
1049
01:03:51,915 --> 01:03:54,584
And then, you have the real Russ.
1050
01:03:56,002 --> 01:03:59,881
He has so much wrong going on in his head,
1051
01:03:59,881 --> 01:04:03,051
and-and it comes out in the haunt.
1052
01:04:06,930 --> 01:04:09,849
You know, it's no joke in here.
I mean, people think that,
1053
01:04:09,849 --> 01:04:11,643
well, you know, it's a home haunt.
1054
01:04:11,643 --> 01:04:14,229
But, I'm telling ya. It's scary.
1055
01:04:15,355 --> 01:04:17,357
Russ needs to get help,
1056
01:04:18,942 --> 01:04:21,069
or he's gonna keep going
till it's too far.
1057
01:04:32,330 --> 01:04:33,832
I'm back.
1058
01:04:35,041 --> 01:04:37,669
I'm back, I'm back, I'm back
1059
01:04:37,669 --> 01:04:41,339
Anybody there? Anybody there?
1060
01:04:46,553 --> 01:04:49,431
- You better start begging right now!
- I'm begging right now.
1061
01:04:49,431 --> 01:04:51,266
I don't-- I don't wanna go anymore.
I'm done.
1062
01:04:52,225 --> 01:04:55,020
Russ is not quitting. He kept it going.
1063
01:04:55,562 --> 01:04:59,399
Now, there aren't actors.
You are just with Russ going through.
1064
01:04:59,399 --> 01:05:03,987
You are getting
a very dangerous experience.
1065
01:05:03,987 --> 01:05:08,033
His tours now, at this point,
he's just doing it to hurt people
1066
01:05:08,033 --> 01:05:09,701
and to prove a point to us,
1067
01:05:09,701 --> 01:05:12,037
to everyone else that, like,
talked out on him.
1068
01:05:12,037 --> 01:05:15,331
Like a, "I'm gonna get back at you
and show you that I can still do this,
1069
01:05:15,331 --> 01:05:17,292
people still wanna be
tortured by me."
1070
01:05:17,292 --> 01:05:20,295
- Are you done?
1071
01:05:20,295 --> 01:05:22,255
Back in the day,
he had a haunted house
1072
01:05:22,255 --> 01:05:24,174
and now what it is,
is definitely not a haunt.
1073
01:05:25,717 --> 01:05:29,095
It's pretty much, you know,
Russ in his yard messin' with you.
1074
01:05:31,681 --> 01:05:33,767
You know, you're with a guy by himself.
1075
01:05:33,767 --> 01:05:36,311
Everything he does is
justified in his head.
1076
01:05:36,311 --> 01:05:38,521
There is no limits.
1077
01:05:38,521 --> 01:05:39,814
No, no!
1078
01:05:48,406 --> 01:05:50,658
I live in such a small town.
1079
01:05:50,658 --> 01:05:52,786
And I'm basically a nobody.
1080
01:05:52,786 --> 01:05:55,246
And, you know,
that's how I felt about myself.
1081
01:05:56,623 --> 01:06:00,085
During my first tour,
you know, you had all these signs,
1082
01:06:00,877 --> 01:06:03,880
but, at the time,
I didn't wanna deal with that.
1083
01:06:04,923 --> 01:06:07,550
I'd just seen a nice person
1084
01:06:07,550 --> 01:06:11,471
that was giving me everything
I needed at the time.
1085
01:06:11,471 --> 01:06:13,139
I just felt like I got
1086
01:06:13,139 --> 01:06:16,059
really taken easy on, looking back.
1087
01:06:16,059 --> 01:06:18,937
I was nobody before any of this,
1088
01:06:18,937 --> 01:06:21,189
and I'd wake up with a million messages
1089
01:06:21,189 --> 01:06:23,233
from all these people
who supported me.
1090
01:06:23,233 --> 01:06:26,695
Like, me. The nobody that was once before,
1091
01:06:26,695 --> 01:06:30,115
now has a million people hyping her up
1092
01:06:30,115 --> 01:06:32,701
and just being friendly.
1093
01:06:32,701 --> 01:06:35,286
And it was just life changing,
1094
01:06:35,286 --> 01:06:37,205
and I didn't want it to end.
1095
01:06:37,789 --> 01:06:41,334
I wasn't anticipating coming back,
1096
01:06:41,334 --> 01:06:43,586
but he was up on my phone,
1097
01:06:43,586 --> 01:06:45,547
texting or calling or video chatting.
1098
01:06:45,547 --> 01:06:47,757
Like, I didn't even have time
to even think about
1099
01:06:47,757 --> 01:06:49,926
what had happened
and what I went through.
1100
01:06:51,302 --> 01:06:54,431
I remember when Melissa Everly
was going through it.
1101
01:06:54,431 --> 01:06:56,808
She is Russ' type.
1102
01:06:58,685 --> 01:07:01,688
I met Melissa,
reaching out and trying
1103
01:07:01,688 --> 01:07:03,815
to talk her out of
going to McKamey Manor,
1104
01:07:03,815 --> 01:07:06,234
and she was drinkin' the Kool-Aid.
1105
01:07:06,234 --> 01:07:09,320
She was buying in and listenin' to Russ.
1106
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,073
Russ was the good guy.
All of us were just crazies.
1107
01:07:12,073 --> 01:07:15,744
And the first conversation we had,
it wasn't a great one.
1108
01:07:15,744 --> 01:07:19,748
She thought I was some loon that was
some hater trying to talk her out of it.
1109
01:07:21,207 --> 01:07:24,336
Russ was dangling
everything over my head.
1110
01:07:24,336 --> 01:07:26,171
"Look, you're the Abyss Queen."
1111
01:07:26,171 --> 01:07:29,132
He gave me a nickname and rolled with it
1112
01:07:29,132 --> 01:07:31,176
and had everybody calling me that.
1113
01:07:31,176 --> 01:07:33,386
And that's how people knew me.
He was like,
1114
01:07:33,386 --> 01:07:35,972
"Oh, well, think of your fans."
1115
01:07:35,972 --> 01:07:38,892
I wanted to beat the thing
and be the first to complete it.
1116
01:07:39,684 --> 01:07:40,894
He knew that.
1117
01:07:42,062 --> 01:07:44,481
One day, he messaged me and was like,
1118
01:07:44,481 --> 01:07:46,858
"Hey, can you make it
for a tour tomorrow?"
1119
01:07:52,864 --> 01:07:56,242
I drive down for the second tour.
1120
01:07:57,911 --> 01:08:01,706
Russ ends up coming over
to the hotel room.
1121
01:08:02,290 --> 01:08:04,542
And I knew from the YouTube videos,
1122
01:08:04,542 --> 01:08:07,754
this isn't the first time
he's been in somebody's hotel room.
1123
01:08:07,754 --> 01:08:10,840
And so, in my mind, it's harmless.
1124
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:14,678
He was coming over to instruct me
on what to do for the evening.
1125
01:08:14,678 --> 01:08:18,723
And he gives me a list of
things that I have to do.
1126
01:08:18,723 --> 01:08:21,393
Lunges, singing, pushups, sit-ups.
1127
01:08:22,936 --> 01:08:25,772
The conversation ended up taking a turn
1128
01:08:25,772 --> 01:08:27,691
kind of for the worst.
1129
01:08:27,691 --> 01:08:30,276
He started going into
1130
01:08:30,276 --> 01:08:33,822
his sexual history with past contestants,
1131
01:08:33,822 --> 01:08:36,199
talking about how he liked
1132
01:08:36,199 --> 01:08:38,785
a very competitive, athletic girl,
1133
01:08:38,785 --> 01:08:42,706
but he wants a woman that's gonna
submit to him when it comes to
1134
01:08:43,623 --> 01:08:46,459
being aggressive during sex.
1135
01:08:47,252 --> 01:08:50,005
In that moment,
I was feeling very nervous.
1136
01:08:51,089 --> 01:08:54,551
Like, I'm just there.
I'm barely participating in conversation,
1137
01:08:54,551 --> 01:08:56,636
because I don't really know what to say.
1138
01:08:56,636 --> 01:08:59,389
I don't wanna give any leading responses
1139
01:08:59,389 --> 01:09:01,766
because I just wanted
to go through the manor.
1140
01:09:01,766 --> 01:09:05,812
I was tired. I was exhausted.
I was willing to listen to him,
1141
01:09:05,812 --> 01:09:08,940
but I-I was also scared that
1142
01:09:08,940 --> 01:09:10,525
if I'm propositioned,
1143
01:09:10,525 --> 01:09:13,778
I'm not gonna be able to have
this experience if I decline.
1144
01:09:14,404 --> 01:09:16,364
And I was scared to what happens next.
1145
01:09:16,364 --> 01:09:19,325
Wh-Whatever I do, and all
of this is ripped from me,
1146
01:09:19,325 --> 01:09:22,537
you know, what kind of monster
is he gonna make me out to be?
1147
01:09:22,537 --> 01:09:24,122
If this is perfectly fine,
1148
01:09:24,122 --> 01:09:26,708
and he's done it with all
these other contestants,
1149
01:09:26,708 --> 01:09:29,252
is everybody gonna make
me a laughingstock?
1150
01:09:29,252 --> 01:09:31,713
You know, what's gonna happen?
1151
01:09:32,422 --> 01:09:34,507
So, he ends up leaving the room,
1152
01:09:34,507 --> 01:09:36,885
and I stay up doing these lives.
1153
01:09:36,885 --> 01:09:39,888
By the time my tour starts, um, it's--
1154
01:09:39,888 --> 01:09:42,891
I'll be up for 26 hours.
1155
01:09:42,891 --> 01:09:44,642
Happy Sunday.
1156
01:09:46,144 --> 01:09:49,981
That's right. Happy Sunday, Michelle.
Happy Sunday.
1157
01:09:53,568 --> 01:09:55,570
Gotta keep my eyes on the road, so...
1158
01:09:57,989 --> 01:09:59,866
I do have someone I want you to see.
1159
01:10:02,452 --> 01:10:05,080
My brain was like mashed potatoes
1160
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,165
when he came and picked me up,
1161
01:10:07,165 --> 01:10:09,626
and we headed out
1162
01:10:09,626 --> 01:10:11,961
to go for my next tour.
1163
01:10:11,961 --> 01:10:14,089
It's just me and Russ on this tour.
1164
01:10:14,089 --> 01:10:16,174
Go ahead and talk to 'em.
1165
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,012
- Alright, everyone.
- She's not near as bubbly
1166
01:10:21,012 --> 01:10:22,347
as she normally is.
1167
01:10:22,347 --> 01:10:23,515
- I'm tired.
- Tired.
1168
01:10:25,475 --> 01:10:27,060
He had no helpers.
1169
01:10:33,692 --> 01:10:36,069
We have our, our young lady here.
1170
01:10:37,278 --> 01:10:39,989
Ms. Everly is doing awesome.
1171
01:10:41,116 --> 01:10:43,118
Killing it today. Killing it.
1172
01:10:46,079 --> 01:10:47,997
Why don't you come on out?
1173
01:10:52,460 --> 01:10:54,921
Okay, that's good right there.
Stay where you are.
1174
01:10:54,921 --> 01:10:56,673
Through the bamboo run
1175
01:10:56,673 --> 01:10:59,634
is when he started, like,
whispering in my ear
1176
01:10:59,634 --> 01:11:02,178
and, like, complimenting my neck,
1177
01:11:02,178 --> 01:11:05,765
and kind of grabbing my
neck and being sexual.
1178
01:11:05,765 --> 01:11:08,560
You know what you need?
You need a little color.
1179
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:09,978
Would you like a little color?
1180
01:11:12,063 --> 01:11:13,648
Tilt your head back.
1181
01:11:15,650 --> 01:11:18,862
But, in that moment, I'm like,
"Oh, this is part of the tour.
1182
01:11:18,862 --> 01:11:20,947
You know, this is part of what he does."
1183
01:11:22,907 --> 01:11:24,451
I was dead to the world.
1184
01:11:24,451 --> 01:11:27,746
By the end of it,
I was over 30 hours no sleep.
1185
01:11:27,746 --> 01:11:29,748
I was beyond sleep deprived.
1186
01:11:29,748 --> 01:11:32,792
You feel like a noodle, don't ya?
How's your brain?
1187
01:11:32,792 --> 01:11:35,003
Seriously,
how's your brain feel right now?
1188
01:11:35,003 --> 01:11:38,006
All kinds of messed up
1189
01:11:38,006 --> 01:11:39,632
in every direction possible.
1190
01:11:39,632 --> 01:11:41,718
This is gonna suck.
1191
01:11:51,186 --> 01:11:54,064
I remember at that point,
I had fell asleep,
1192
01:11:54,064 --> 01:11:57,901
and he told me it was fine, "Go to sleep."
He'd covered me up with towels.
1193
01:12:00,528 --> 01:12:02,530
Come on, everybody. Come on in.
1194
01:12:04,783 --> 01:12:06,368
Talkin' quiet because
1195
01:12:07,535 --> 01:12:10,830
tryin' to get Ms. Everly to go to sleep.
1196
01:12:11,289 --> 01:12:13,208
Well,
1197
01:12:13,208 --> 01:12:15,251
sometime after the tour,
1198
01:12:15,251 --> 01:12:17,712
and I-I'm gonna fast forward for a moment
1199
01:12:17,712 --> 01:12:21,633
because I asked him how the footage went.
1200
01:12:22,384 --> 01:12:24,761
And he was like,
"Well, there was this one time
1201
01:12:24,761 --> 01:12:27,389
that I didn't get the footage
I really wish I had."
1202
01:12:37,190 --> 01:12:39,693
What happened?
What did he do when I was asleep?
1203
01:12:39,693 --> 01:12:41,236
Because he never answered me.
1204
01:12:41,236 --> 01:12:43,947
And I think I deserve the right to know.
1205
01:12:43,947 --> 01:12:46,825
Like, what did he mean?
What footage did he miss?
1206
01:12:49,494 --> 01:12:53,248
That's always going to haunt me.
I will question myself that
1207
01:12:54,833 --> 01:12:56,751
to the day I die.
1208
01:12:56,751 --> 01:12:58,461
'Cause I don't want,
1209
01:12:58,461 --> 01:13:01,339
and I never have wanted,
to do anything with Russ.
1210
01:13:03,299 --> 01:13:06,678
And it-- just the fact that
that may have been a possibility,
1211
01:13:06,678 --> 01:13:08,263
disgusts me.
1212
01:13:08,263 --> 01:13:11,558
He is a cruel, fucking disgusting person.
1213
01:13:16,354 --> 01:13:18,815
Good. Put your head back a little bit.
1214
01:13:19,816 --> 01:13:21,359
Enjoy that sun while you can.
1215
01:13:23,069 --> 01:13:25,572
- You got it right in there good?
- Mm-hmm.
1216
01:13:27,532 --> 01:13:31,578
There's always gonna be that doubt.
There's always gonna be that doubt.
1217
01:13:35,707 --> 01:13:38,209
We have a tired little puppy here.
1218
01:13:49,471 --> 01:13:52,307
Everything finally adds up.
1219
01:13:52,307 --> 01:13:55,435
It adds up that Russ is just
1220
01:13:55,435 --> 01:13:59,481
a narcissistic,
manipulative piece of fuck.
1221
01:14:01,775 --> 01:14:04,778
Don't learn the hard way, like we have.
1222
01:14:14,162 --> 01:14:18,166
I love getting scared.
I wanna populate our earth with more art
1223
01:14:18,166 --> 01:14:20,919
and make it horror. You know what?
1224
01:14:20,919 --> 01:14:23,296
Keep doing it, you know?
'Cause eventually,
1225
01:14:23,296 --> 01:14:26,424
this could replace movies for some people,
and it does now.
1226
01:14:30,637 --> 01:14:32,639
I wanted to find another haunt
1227
01:14:32,639 --> 01:14:34,974
because I wanted to fill that void.
1228
01:14:34,974 --> 01:14:37,852
I wanted to find something
that can help me cope,
1229
01:14:37,852 --> 01:14:40,772
to give me that reminder,
"Hey, if you went through this,
1230
01:14:40,772 --> 01:14:42,315
you can go through anything."
1231
01:14:42,315 --> 01:14:46,069
Because the purpose isn't
to sexually molest people.
1232
01:14:46,069 --> 01:14:49,197
Th-The purpose is not to do
anything untoward to somebody
1233
01:14:49,197 --> 01:14:52,367
or to make them a victim.
It's to make you grow.
1234
01:14:52,367 --> 01:14:55,787
That little girl, that itch,
is still very much inside of me.
1235
01:14:55,787 --> 01:14:58,456
I've just had to not scratch
the itch for a while,
1236
01:14:58,456 --> 01:15:00,125
to recover from the manor.
1237
01:15:09,050 --> 01:15:11,678
I'm telling you. You wanna do somethin'
1238
01:15:11,678 --> 01:15:13,596
taboo and out there?
1239
01:15:14,973 --> 01:15:16,808
There's places that'll help you.
1240
01:15:18,977 --> 01:15:21,312
Tell us what you're about to go do.
1241
01:15:21,312 --> 01:15:24,149
I'm about to go do Miasma.
1242
01:15:24,524 --> 01:15:27,027
- I'm at the fog machine.
1243
01:15:29,195 --> 01:15:31,489
Give it a longer pause between that.
1244
01:15:31,489 --> 01:15:35,535
Diversity is really the norm.
People have very diverse genetic makeups,
1245
01:15:35,535 --> 01:15:37,871
people want different things,
1246
01:15:37,871 --> 01:15:40,248
people have different
psychological traits.
1247
01:15:40,248 --> 01:15:42,083
So, we need to recognize
1248
01:15:42,083 --> 01:15:45,086
that there are people who need challenges,
1249
01:15:45,086 --> 01:15:47,714
they need risk, they need sensation.
1250
01:15:47,714 --> 01:15:50,717
And we need to make sure that
those spaces are available,
1251
01:15:50,717 --> 01:15:54,346
so people can get what they need
within the bounds of the law.
1252
01:16:19,496 --> 01:16:21,873
Turn around, turn around.
1253
01:16:22,957 --> 01:16:24,376
Sign when you're ready.
1254
01:16:29,506 --> 01:16:32,384
When this bell rings,
you're no longer Melissa.
1255
01:16:32,384 --> 01:16:34,302
You become Jay. Do you understand?
1256
01:16:35,387 --> 01:16:38,056
- Who do you become when this bell rings?
- Jay.
1257
01:16:38,056 --> 01:16:40,684
- What is the safety word?
- Safety.
1258
01:16:40,684 --> 01:16:44,229
Do you understand you can
say this at any time for any reason,
1259
01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:46,481
- your show will stop?
- Yes.
1260
01:16:46,481 --> 01:16:49,984
- What happens when this rings?
- I'm Jay.
1261
01:16:51,778 --> 01:16:53,738
Fucking run, Jay! Keep going!
1262
01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:59,953
Follow it, follow it! Follow it forward.
1263
01:17:41,369 --> 01:17:44,789
Where's the cliff edge, right?
1264
01:17:44,789 --> 01:17:47,500
- Or have I already gone over it?
1265
01:17:49,127 --> 01:17:53,048
No. No. Stay down. Stay down.
Stay down, stay down.
1266
01:17:53,048 --> 01:17:56,134
- Hey. Hey, you okay?
1267
01:17:56,134 --> 01:17:59,054
- You okay?
- Yeah.
1268
01:17:59,054 --> 01:18:01,556
- Do you wanna keep going?
- Yes.
1269
01:18:01,556 --> 01:18:04,142
Look at these scars. I'm bleeding.
1270
01:18:05,143 --> 01:18:07,437
My heart was beating through my chest.
1271
01:18:09,022 --> 01:18:10,690
It's freakin' awesome.
1272
01:18:10,690 --> 01:18:13,193
What the fuck is wrong with you?!
1273
01:18:14,527 --> 01:18:17,405
- Tell her you fuckin' hate her.
1274
01:18:17,405 --> 01:18:20,658
- I fucking hate you!
- Tell her you wish she was dead.
1275
01:18:20,658 --> 01:18:23,328
- I wish you were dead!
- Scream it!
1276
01:18:30,460 --> 01:18:33,421
Dead! Dead! Dead! Dead! Dead!
1277
01:18:33,421 --> 01:18:36,466
Dead! Dead! Dead!
1278
01:18:36,466 --> 01:18:40,261
Who are you?! Who the fuck
are you?! Who the fuck are you?!
1279
01:18:40,261 --> 01:18:42,222
Answer, answer! Answer! Answer me!
1280
01:18:42,222 --> 01:18:45,558
I already have an anxiety brain
that can kind of make up scenarios.
1281
01:18:45,558 --> 01:18:48,687
So, if someone makes up
a scenario that's crazier than me,
1282
01:18:48,687 --> 01:18:50,397
- I, like, give them props for it.
1283
01:18:57,821 --> 01:19:01,825
- Jay, Jay, Jay.
1284
01:19:01,825 --> 01:19:03,451
Fuck!
1285
01:19:03,451 --> 01:19:06,329
- Who are you supposed to be?
- Jay.
1286
01:19:06,329 --> 01:19:08,456
- Louder.
- Jay!
1287
01:19:08,456 --> 01:19:10,250
- Scream it!
- Jay!
1288
01:19:10,250 --> 01:19:12,043
- One more time!
- Jay!
1289
01:19:12,043 --> 01:19:15,296
- Can't fucking hear you!
1290
01:19:15,296 --> 01:19:18,091
- Who the fuck are you supposed to be?!
- Jay!
1291
01:19:28,893 --> 01:19:32,397
- Who do you wanna be?
- Me. I wanna be me.
1292
01:19:57,130 --> 01:20:00,008
It's very cathartic, right?
In there, it's still--
1293
01:20:00,008 --> 01:20:02,552
There's a lot of processing
that's still goin' on, right?
1294
01:20:02,552 --> 01:20:05,430
- Of course.
- Like, I've done this shit before,
1295
01:20:05,430 --> 01:20:07,682
and, you know, you're out of it
in 15, 20 minutes
1296
01:20:07,682 --> 01:20:09,225
once you get back to the real world,
1297
01:20:09,225 --> 01:20:11,895
but this is gonna stay with me
for a little while, I think.
1298
01:20:11,895 --> 01:20:14,731
Like, I don't know--
I don't know how to--
1299
01:20:14,731 --> 01:20:17,567
I don't know how to
describe the experience.
1300
01:20:19,611 --> 01:20:23,281
There is actually
a great emotional release
1301
01:20:23,281 --> 01:20:25,575
after some type of self-harm behavior.
1302
01:20:28,953 --> 01:20:31,623
On one level, it exhausts us.
1303
01:20:31,623 --> 01:20:35,126
Then, it starts to promote
this addiction-like dopamine pathway
1304
01:20:35,126 --> 01:20:36,836
that we seek out over and over.
1305
01:20:36,836 --> 01:20:40,090
- Congratulations.
- Fuck! Fuck!
1306
01:20:40,090 --> 01:20:42,717
That was one hell of a show.
1307
01:20:42,717 --> 01:20:46,054
- Are you okay? Are you okay?
- Thank you so much.
1308
01:20:46,054 --> 01:20:48,556
It meant the world to me.
1309
01:20:50,809 --> 01:20:52,727
That's some great news.
1310
01:20:52,727 --> 01:20:54,854
Thank you so much, Justin.
1311
01:20:54,854 --> 01:20:56,606
That was fucking--
1312
01:20:56,606 --> 01:20:58,608
Thank you,
but I'm glad you're okay.
1313
01:20:58,608 --> 01:21:00,360
I'm glad you got something out of it.
1314
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:02,320
- Thank you.
- You did awesome.
1315
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:04,948
- It's a rough show, and you did so good.
- Yeah.
1316
01:21:04,948 --> 01:21:07,450
- It's not--
- No, no.
1317
01:21:07,450 --> 01:21:10,161
- And you did awesome.
- Thank you.
1318
01:21:10,161 --> 01:21:13,123
Um, so right now,
you can just take a breath.
1319
01:21:24,342 --> 01:21:28,138
Russ... is damaged himself.
1320
01:21:28,138 --> 01:21:31,683
And he has some inner demons or trauma
1321
01:21:31,683 --> 01:21:35,437
that he needs to get help with,
and I hope he does.
1322
01:21:35,437 --> 01:21:38,481
He is a person who
aspired to be an entertainer
1323
01:21:38,481 --> 01:21:41,901
and became the torturer, the tormentor.
1324
01:21:41,901 --> 01:21:45,113
I was dragged across asphalt
1325
01:21:45,113 --> 01:21:47,574
in a parking lot...
1326
01:21:47,574 --> 01:21:49,325
after my tour was already over!
1327
01:21:49,325 --> 01:21:52,203
None of you even know
what you're talkin' about.
1328
01:21:52,203 --> 01:21:55,540
Russ isn't a torturer, okay?
He's a showman.
1329
01:21:55,540 --> 01:21:58,293
People are stupid.
That's what you sign up for.
1330
01:21:58,293 --> 01:22:00,879
It's his own little narcissism factory,
1331
01:22:00,879 --> 01:22:04,174
that people just come to,
to-to-to-to help him feed on it.
1332
01:22:04,174 --> 01:22:07,719
And they're still very much
active groups on Facebook.
1333
01:22:07,719 --> 01:22:09,304
It's just, you're drinking the Kool-Aid.
1334
01:22:09,304 --> 01:22:11,973
You're believing what he says.
You're lapping it up.
1335
01:22:11,973 --> 01:22:14,392
Russ, I think you're a good man.
1336
01:22:14,392 --> 01:22:17,854
Just a little misunderstood
by some people.
1337
01:22:17,854 --> 01:22:20,231
If people wanna do it,
I'm not gonna stop 'em,
1338
01:22:20,231 --> 01:22:22,901
but it's not gonna shock me
if someone dies one day,
1339
01:22:22,901 --> 01:22:24,778
and Russ goes to jail
because of it.
1340
01:22:24,778 --> 01:22:27,572
- What would you like
1341
01:22:27,572 --> 01:22:31,159
the takeaway to be
from your participation in this?
1342
01:22:31,159 --> 01:22:32,744
That
1343
01:22:33,828 --> 01:22:35,205
immersive haunts are okay,
1344
01:22:35,205 --> 01:22:37,207
even if it seems crazy and weird.
1345
01:22:39,501 --> 01:22:42,754
You can have your kinks,
and that's perfectly fine.
1346
01:22:42,754 --> 01:22:46,091
But don't invite people into your kinks
without them knowing
1347
01:22:46,091 --> 01:22:48,551
that that's exactly what
they're going to be in.
1348
01:22:48,551 --> 01:22:51,596
If I knew I was getting
into Russ's fantasy world
1349
01:22:51,596 --> 01:22:54,182
and living out whatever fantasies
he wanted to see,
1350
01:22:54,182 --> 01:22:57,394
I probably would've felt different
about it. But I was supposed to be
1351
01:22:57,394 --> 01:23:00,271
in a survive my own horror experience,
1352
01:23:00,271 --> 01:23:04,317
not survive, like,
Russ McKamey's fantasy experience.
1353
01:23:05,151 --> 01:23:08,196
Am I still doing tours? Of course!
1354
01:23:08,196 --> 01:23:11,324
I have a tour this weekend!
1355
01:23:11,324 --> 01:23:13,868
I have a heart murmur
I need to get taken care of.
1356
01:23:13,868 --> 01:23:17,914
I have surgery in about a month.
If I, if I can get medically cleared,
1357
01:23:17,914 --> 01:23:21,584
um, hopefully, fingers crossed,
in six months, I'll be up for a tour.
1358
01:23:21,584 --> 01:23:24,754
My name is Shelby.
I'm from Scotland.
1359
01:23:24,754 --> 01:23:26,506
I work in the dental field.
1360
01:23:26,506 --> 01:23:28,800
I'm a professional nurse.
1361
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:32,053
I hold a very high position in a company.
1362
01:23:32,053 --> 01:23:35,807
I would love to go visit Russ,
and I would love to hang out with him.
1363
01:23:35,807 --> 01:23:39,144
I'd love to take a tour at some point
when I can get to the South.
1364
01:23:39,144 --> 01:23:42,397
I wanna take the tour because
I love the survival horror movie.
1365
01:23:42,397 --> 01:23:45,066
I need to challenge myself
a little bit more,
1366
01:23:45,066 --> 01:23:47,444
and this would be the ultimate challenge.
1367
01:23:47,444 --> 01:23:51,072
If I were to be put in that situation,
1368
01:23:51,072 --> 01:23:53,283
I would be able to survive.
1369
01:23:53,283 --> 01:23:56,870
I could get out of that.
That would never happen to me.
1370
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:58,872
McKamey Manor, I'm coming for you.
1371
01:23:58,872 --> 01:24:02,500
Drown me, beat me, torture me.
1372
01:24:02,500 --> 01:24:05,879
I'm here for all of it.
And my kids are gonna watch all of it.
1373
01:24:05,879 --> 01:24:09,924
The manor is safe, it's fun,
1374
01:24:09,924 --> 01:24:13,845
and it will take you to your limit.
1375
01:24:35,575 --> 01:24:37,577
No.
1376
01:26:10,503 --> 01:26:15,008
Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum
1377
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:20,305
Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum
1378
01:26:21,222 --> 01:26:25,727
Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum
1379
01:26:26,519 --> 01:26:30,148
Bum bum bum ba-ah
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