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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:27,444 --> 00:00:29,195 So, very young... 2 00:00:32,657 --> 00:00:35,160 ...I got obsessed with horror. 3 00:00:39,122 --> 00:00:42,083 I just think it would be fun to survive a horror movie. 4 00:00:56,264 --> 00:00:58,808 But you make it to the end... 5 00:01:01,686 --> 00:01:03,980 ...and the credits roll, and everyone's fine. 6 00:01:05,565 --> 00:01:08,193 That's just always been, like, super appealing to me. 7 00:01:08,902 --> 00:01:12,489 I think I googled, "Survive your own scary movie," 8 00:01:13,281 --> 00:01:16,576 which is where the beginning of this started. 9 00:01:20,872 --> 00:01:23,833 But, every horror movie... 10 00:01:27,671 --> 00:01:30,090 - ...has a monster. 11 00:01:35,762 --> 00:01:37,722 Hey, everybody. It's Russ. 12 00:01:38,932 --> 00:01:41,142 This is Immersive Horror, 13 00:01:41,142 --> 00:01:44,145 where you become the star of the show. 14 00:01:44,145 --> 00:01:46,189 No! 15 00:01:46,189 --> 00:01:48,233 No, Russ. Please... 16 00:01:48,233 --> 00:01:50,985 Stay with me, honey. 17 00:01:50,985 --> 00:01:53,405 - Hold your breath. 18 00:01:53,405 --> 00:01:57,075 On the count of three, hold your breath. One. Two. 19 00:02:01,788 --> 00:02:04,416 - Please-- 20 00:02:04,416 --> 00:02:07,085 An immersive horror experience is... 21 00:02:08,670 --> 00:02:12,507 ...you are basically putting yourself inside of a horror movie. 22 00:02:14,134 --> 00:02:16,845 My legs hurt, and my arms hurt, a-and my hands are freezing. 23 00:02:16,845 --> 00:02:20,306 And I can't feel them 'cause there's still shocks running through my hands. 24 00:02:20,306 --> 00:02:21,850 You had a good time, though? 25 00:02:21,850 --> 00:02:23,018 Yes! I had a great time. 26 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,316 I don't know too many people outside of my small little group 27 00:02:30,316 --> 00:02:31,776 that know about this stuff. 28 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,906 It is relatively underground, 29 00:02:36,906 --> 00:02:39,367 and right now, we have the worst salesman for it 30 00:02:39,367 --> 00:02:42,037 in the history of bad salesmen. That's Russ McKamey. 31 00:02:43,913 --> 00:02:47,751 I am the owner and creator of McKamey Manor, 32 00:02:47,751 --> 00:02:52,005 the world's most extreme haunted house. 33 00:02:54,424 --> 00:02:57,594 Russ has positioned himself to be 34 00:02:57,594 --> 00:02:59,929 - the great danger. 35 00:02:59,929 --> 00:03:03,224 You're in boot camp, you are in North Korea, 36 00:03:03,224 --> 00:03:05,477 you are in Stalinist Russia, 37 00:03:05,477 --> 00:03:08,146 and you're gonna see if you can make it out or not. 38 00:03:08,146 --> 00:03:10,273 - We're showmen. 39 00:03:10,273 --> 00:03:14,235 I am the P.T. Barnum of the haunt world. 40 00:03:14,235 --> 00:03:15,862 Look at her. Look at her. 41 00:03:15,862 --> 00:03:19,532 I spent hours trying to convince her not to show up here. 42 00:03:19,532 --> 00:03:20,992 But she wouldn't listen to me. 43 00:03:20,992 --> 00:03:22,911 The show's never over with Russ. 44 00:03:24,371 --> 00:03:26,956 Please stop, Russ. Please, please. 45 00:03:28,083 --> 00:03:29,834 Russ has crossed the Rubicon. 46 00:03:29,834 --> 00:03:32,504 There's no goin' back. 47 00:03:32,504 --> 00:03:35,340 I'm leaving McKamey Manor, thank God. 48 00:03:35,340 --> 00:03:37,300 Do. Not. Come. Here. 49 00:03:56,319 --> 00:03:59,322 McKamey Manor has a history of, um, cities and towns... 50 00:03:59,322 --> 00:04:02,200 - ...not wanting us in their location. 51 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,578 You know, we were kicked out of Illinois. We were gonna move out there. 52 00:04:05,578 --> 00:04:08,623 Um, the city saw the movies after we were there, 53 00:04:08,623 --> 00:04:10,667 basically, and freaked out. 54 00:04:10,667 --> 00:04:13,253 And they were, you know, they just went crazy, 55 00:04:13,253 --> 00:04:16,256 you know, praying in front of the building to keep us away, 56 00:04:16,256 --> 00:04:20,552 shooting out the windows, slashing tires. I mean, they really did not want us there. 57 00:04:38,069 --> 00:04:42,032 Hey, everybody, welcome to the Captain's pizza party! It's time to party! 58 00:04:42,032 --> 00:04:45,618 I really, really, really, really, really, really, really like girls 59 00:04:46,870 --> 00:04:50,832 Yeah, I really, really, really, really, really, really, really like girls 60 00:04:50,832 --> 00:04:54,002 You are from the military, you were in the Navy. 61 00:04:54,002 --> 00:04:57,672 Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I've-I was in the military for 23 years. 62 00:04:57,672 --> 00:05:01,217 Even on a ship, I had a haunt going on. 63 00:05:03,261 --> 00:05:05,889 Russ McKamey created a house of horror 64 00:05:05,889 --> 00:05:09,059 that would rival anything at a carnival or theme park. 65 00:05:09,059 --> 00:05:11,644 - Nine rooms, animated ghoulish figures, 66 00:05:11,644 --> 00:05:13,396 you wonder what he spent on it. 67 00:05:13,396 --> 00:05:15,357 This year, about $30,000. 68 00:05:17,317 --> 00:05:20,070 It took me six months to do what I did in there so far, 69 00:05:20,070 --> 00:05:21,529 so, and we just ran outta time. 70 00:05:21,529 --> 00:05:24,324 A Navy veteran who now works with the VFW, 71 00:05:24,324 --> 00:05:27,285 he's just always loved Halloween, he says. 72 00:05:29,371 --> 00:05:34,125 When we first met, I started doing video work for him. 73 00:05:35,043 --> 00:05:36,753 Russ was my friend. 74 00:05:36,753 --> 00:05:40,131 I thought that me and Russ were-were best friends. 75 00:05:42,425 --> 00:05:46,012 When the manor started originally, it was an awesome thing. 76 00:05:47,097 --> 00:05:51,518 It was kids working it, jumping out, scaring you. 77 00:05:51,518 --> 00:05:55,021 You know, there was a line to get in on Halloween. 78 00:05:55,021 --> 00:05:57,023 - It was a cool thing. 79 00:05:59,025 --> 00:06:03,029 That was when the news on what we were doing got big. 80 00:06:03,029 --> 00:06:06,783 This is considered the scariest haunted house in America. 81 00:06:06,783 --> 00:06:09,953 - We were on Good Morning America, 82 00:06:09,953 --> 00:06:13,123 every news station, everybody was doin' a story on us. 83 00:06:13,123 --> 00:06:16,001 McKamey Manor is completely interactive. 84 00:06:16,001 --> 00:06:19,045 - A two-hour visit to hell on Earth. 85 00:06:19,045 --> 00:06:22,007 And then every year, he had to one up it. 86 00:06:25,135 --> 00:06:28,638 Had to get a little more intense. A little more intense to the point, 87 00:06:28,638 --> 00:06:31,933 though, finally, they got rid of the kids. 88 00:06:31,933 --> 00:06:34,686 - Here they come! They're coming! 89 00:06:37,981 --> 00:06:40,817 McKamey Manor promises an extreme experience 90 00:06:40,817 --> 00:06:42,360 that can last up to 10 hours, 91 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,155 requires participants to be medically cleared by a doctor 92 00:06:45,155 --> 00:06:48,116 and sign a 40-page waiver. 93 00:06:48,116 --> 00:06:50,618 This place has been known to break the minds... 94 00:06:50,618 --> 00:06:53,038 It was invented by this crazy gentleman... 95 00:06:53,038 --> 00:06:56,833 Russ McKamey videotapes every single second... 96 00:06:56,833 --> 00:07:01,338 ...inducing is a form of psychological torture, but for fun. 97 00:07:05,050 --> 00:07:08,845 They say it amounts to a torture chamber. Yikes. 98 00:07:09,888 --> 00:07:12,390 - The phones would not stop. 99 00:07:15,852 --> 00:07:17,479 His phone would constantly ring, 100 00:07:17,479 --> 00:07:21,191 my phone would constantly ring, with people trying to get in. 101 00:07:21,191 --> 00:07:23,610 It was insane 102 00:07:23,610 --> 00:07:26,946 how quickly and how big it got. 103 00:07:31,409 --> 00:07:33,036 And that's when it got violent. 104 00:07:33,036 --> 00:07:35,372 - Don't fuckin' move. 105 00:07:38,625 --> 00:07:40,877 - Stop resisting! 106 00:07:41,336 --> 00:07:43,338 I probably wouldn't do the haunt 107 00:07:44,297 --> 00:07:46,966 - if I wasn't able to film it. 108 00:07:47,592 --> 00:07:50,095 - That's nice. 109 00:07:51,388 --> 00:07:54,474 Because I want the world to see what I'm doing. 110 00:08:19,374 --> 00:08:21,543 I am here because I want everyone 111 00:08:21,543 --> 00:08:23,586 to know the truth on Russ. 112 00:08:29,342 --> 00:08:33,054 I don't feel like I'm, like, mentally weak, 113 00:08:33,054 --> 00:08:36,182 but it messed me up. 114 00:08:36,725 --> 00:08:39,686 I'm over five years past it... 115 00:08:41,229 --> 00:08:43,189 ...and I'm just now coming to terms 116 00:08:43,189 --> 00:08:45,233 with how fucked up it was. 117 00:08:47,068 --> 00:08:50,780 The dude lives in the dark. The world needs to see 118 00:08:50,780 --> 00:08:53,783 what this man has done to people. 119 00:08:56,536 --> 00:08:59,581 If someone asked me my story, I would tell it to 'em. 120 00:08:59,581 --> 00:09:02,500 There's actually a lesson to be learned from Russ. 121 00:09:30,278 --> 00:09:34,324 I am a producer and creator of immersive horror. 122 00:09:37,410 --> 00:09:40,413 I'm putting them through what I would perceive as horrific. 123 00:09:42,415 --> 00:09:46,378 I'm putting them through a scenario that I'm terrified of. 124 00:09:47,337 --> 00:09:51,299 I love traditional Halloween. Like, I love old school haunted houses. 125 00:09:52,217 --> 00:09:53,927 An immersive horror experience 126 00:09:53,927 --> 00:09:57,639 is definitely evolved out of a haunted house, 127 00:09:58,848 --> 00:10:00,934 - but... 128 00:10:00,934 --> 00:10:03,603 ...you can't compare these things together. 129 00:10:03,603 --> 00:10:06,898 If you wanna put 'em in a hierarchy, you know, you have boo haunts up here. 130 00:10:12,028 --> 00:10:15,865 The normal boo haunted house, they pop out of a hole in the window, 131 00:10:15,865 --> 00:10:18,827 - they scare you around a corner. 132 00:10:18,827 --> 00:10:21,371 Those are just walkabout haunted houses 133 00:10:21,371 --> 00:10:22,706 that everybody can go to. 134 00:10:32,882 --> 00:10:35,260 Followed by more extreme haunts... 135 00:10:37,429 --> 00:10:40,473 ...but without necessarily actors touching you. 136 00:10:45,645 --> 00:10:47,897 As you kind of get into the more immersive experience, 137 00:10:47,897 --> 00:10:50,900 - they can separate you from your friends. 138 00:10:50,900 --> 00:10:53,987 They can tie you up, but it's nothing super extreme. 139 00:10:55,697 --> 00:10:58,116 At the very bottom is... 140 00:10:58,116 --> 00:11:01,745 - ...immersive, extreme type experiences, 141 00:11:01,745 --> 00:11:04,497 where it is full contact. 142 00:11:04,497 --> 00:11:06,791 There's no topic that's off the table. 143 00:11:09,502 --> 00:11:12,130 They're longer, they're more intense, 144 00:11:12,130 --> 00:11:14,382 they're more narrative-driven, 145 00:11:14,382 --> 00:11:17,260 more task-driven, and personal. 146 00:11:24,809 --> 00:11:27,854 Some of these ultra personal experiences 147 00:11:27,854 --> 00:11:31,608 are made to make you face 148 00:11:31,608 --> 00:11:33,818 all the things that you don't wanna face. 149 00:11:35,820 --> 00:11:38,031 Hands and knees, Hands and knees! 150 00:11:41,034 --> 00:11:44,662 And they go about it in extremely creative ways. 151 00:11:45,455 --> 00:11:46,873 Fuck! 152 00:11:52,212 --> 00:11:55,382 They put you in situations that you didn't realize you were even scared of. 153 00:12:06,017 --> 00:12:09,187 People just enjoy the rush of it 'cause it is a thrill. 154 00:12:10,980 --> 00:12:13,900 The point is how much can you take, right? 155 00:12:13,900 --> 00:12:17,237 How much physical and mental abuse 156 00:12:17,237 --> 00:12:19,906 can you put up with before you just cut out? 157 00:12:21,491 --> 00:12:24,244 But, you can take away consent at any time, 158 00:12:24,244 --> 00:12:26,955 and a good extreme haunt owner knows that. 159 00:12:34,671 --> 00:12:36,756 You constantly have to ask the participant, 160 00:12:36,756 --> 00:12:38,508 "Do you still consent? Do you still consent?" 161 00:12:38,508 --> 00:12:42,012 Even if it's seven hours, they're going to make sure that I'm safe. 162 00:12:42,012 --> 00:12:44,431 But it isn't just the torturing people. 163 00:12:44,431 --> 00:12:46,599 There is subtext to the show. 164 00:12:46,599 --> 00:12:49,269 There's subtext to the things that I'm talking about. 165 00:12:54,315 --> 00:12:56,818 But, that isn't always the case. 166 00:12:58,236 --> 00:13:00,739 There's one person 167 00:13:00,739 --> 00:13:03,575 basically running a torture chamber. 168 00:13:06,619 --> 00:13:09,330 You made a big mistake. Come on. 169 00:13:09,330 --> 00:13:12,959 Russ was, like, a celebrity. You know, 170 00:13:12,959 --> 00:13:16,463 every YouTube video at the time, every Facebook link 171 00:13:16,463 --> 00:13:19,507 was Russ' face, mentioning this haunt. 172 00:13:19,507 --> 00:13:22,177 We're here waiting for you. 173 00:13:22,177 --> 00:13:24,471 Russ McKamey's a divisive figure. 174 00:13:24,471 --> 00:13:26,765 Just get him in here! Get him in here! 175 00:13:26,765 --> 00:13:28,224 He uses his divisiveness 176 00:13:28,224 --> 00:13:31,770 to get your attention, to grow in attention. 177 00:13:31,770 --> 00:13:33,063 You understand what I'm telling you? 178 00:13:34,147 --> 00:13:36,608 Yes what? Tell me what I just told you, Christina. 179 00:13:36,608 --> 00:13:39,110 He started to put little bits of information out there 180 00:13:39,110 --> 00:13:41,821 to make himself more infamous, I guess. 181 00:13:41,821 --> 00:13:44,157 You look scared Steve. 182 00:13:44,157 --> 00:13:46,409 - I'm terrified, sir. - Yeah, you need to be. 183 00:13:46,409 --> 00:13:50,246 It billed itself as the most extreme haunted house in the world. 184 00:13:50,246 --> 00:13:51,998 They do all kinds of crazy stuff to you. 185 00:13:51,998 --> 00:13:53,458 I don't like you here. 186 00:13:53,458 --> 00:13:56,878 I am gonna make sure you have the worst day of your entire life. 187 00:13:56,878 --> 00:14:00,340 They drugged you, that they pulled your teeth, 188 00:14:00,340 --> 00:14:03,301 that if you threw up, they make you eat your throw-up. 189 00:14:03,301 --> 00:14:05,387 And I was like, "How is this possible? 190 00:14:05,387 --> 00:14:07,222 But, man, this is fascinating." 191 00:14:07,222 --> 00:14:10,308 Let me out! 192 00:14:10,308 --> 00:14:13,561 Let me out! Let me out! 193 00:14:15,313 --> 00:14:19,067 We only do one or two shows a week. 194 00:14:19,067 --> 00:14:21,403 - The list is long. 195 00:14:21,403 --> 00:14:25,240 One of those things that Russ liked to say was 196 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,827 he had this 27,000 person waitlist. 197 00:14:28,827 --> 00:14:31,162 - You won the lottery. - Out of 20,000. 198 00:14:31,162 --> 00:14:33,623 - 27,000. - 27,000! 199 00:14:33,623 --> 00:14:36,167 He's so big with this huge waitlist. 200 00:14:36,167 --> 00:14:39,170 I'm offering you 20 grand, 201 00:14:39,170 --> 00:14:43,174 and you know we're probably not gonna kill ya, so... 202 00:14:43,174 --> 00:14:44,801 There was a $20,000 money prize. 203 00:14:44,801 --> 00:14:48,054 Oh yeah, well, the 20 grand, that's a big part of it. 204 00:14:48,054 --> 00:14:51,891 Well, here I am. Today's the day for my McKamey Manor tour. 205 00:14:51,891 --> 00:14:55,854 Some people see that 20 grand, and they're enticed by that money. 206 00:14:57,439 --> 00:15:00,942 Everyone on the internet told me I could do it, 207 00:15:00,942 --> 00:15:04,404 they wanted me to, and I didn't listen. 208 00:15:04,404 --> 00:15:06,740 Do not come here. 209 00:15:11,327 --> 00:15:15,957 Price of admission for this eight-hour-plus adventure? 210 00:15:15,957 --> 00:15:20,003 Four cans of dog food or a bag of dog food. 211 00:15:20,003 --> 00:15:22,589 He's not making money. 212 00:15:22,589 --> 00:15:26,593 I think most of the money that went into the haunt was from his previous wife. 213 00:15:27,844 --> 00:15:30,722 But I think it is just to keep himself, keep himself clean. 214 00:15:32,057 --> 00:15:34,517 Haunted houses, like, this is not a money thing. 215 00:15:34,517 --> 00:15:36,227 You gotta do this for the art, 216 00:15:36,227 --> 00:15:39,773 - or 'cause you're a sociopath. 217 00:15:39,773 --> 00:15:41,858 You wanna run a torture chamber. 218 00:15:44,235 --> 00:15:48,323 We're known for no quitting and no safe-wording. 219 00:15:49,449 --> 00:15:53,203 I make it simple 'cause I'm a simple guy, and I can't have too many rules, 220 00:15:53,203 --> 00:15:56,623 otherwise I'll get confused. So, either you actually complete the tour, 221 00:15:56,623 --> 00:15:58,958 - which is not going to happen... 222 00:15:58,958 --> 00:16:03,338 ...or you mentally or physically are at such a breaking point 223 00:16:03,338 --> 00:16:06,132 that it's now not safe for you to continue, 224 00:16:06,132 --> 00:16:07,926 and I need to take you out. 225 00:16:12,806 --> 00:16:18,103 Russ doesn't want you to quit until you are a pile of bones and flesh. 226 00:16:18,103 --> 00:16:20,438 And then, you're not probably done either. 227 00:16:33,702 --> 00:16:36,121 All that bad stuff, it's selling point. 228 00:16:36,913 --> 00:16:39,624 It's not a reason not to go. It's a reason to go. 229 00:16:39,624 --> 00:16:40,959 How bad can it be? 230 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,968 That's my number one rule before I go to any extreme haunt. 231 00:16:51,928 --> 00:16:54,931 If a felony's not gonna be taking place, I don't wanna go. 232 00:16:57,976 --> 00:16:59,602 I love the adrenaline. 233 00:17:02,731 --> 00:17:05,567 There was no second thought, there was no nothing. I had to do it. 234 00:17:08,528 --> 00:17:12,699 I had just moved to Los Angeles. I was, like, trying to be an actress. 235 00:17:12,699 --> 00:17:14,951 I had a group of friends that were creative, 236 00:17:14,951 --> 00:17:18,788 so we would just do fun little short films that were scary. 237 00:17:20,665 --> 00:17:22,625 And I wanted something more extreme. 238 00:17:22,625 --> 00:17:25,628 And it was like a full send point in my life, 239 00:17:25,628 --> 00:17:27,714 where I just didn't think about anything. 240 00:17:27,714 --> 00:17:29,841 I was like, "Okay, like, you only live once. 241 00:17:29,841 --> 00:17:32,469 Like, why not just try to, like, get into this haunted house?" 242 00:17:34,679 --> 00:17:36,973 My day-to-day activities, 243 00:17:36,973 --> 00:17:40,185 my normal routine gets dull, 244 00:17:40,185 --> 00:17:42,270 and I wanted to branch out. 245 00:17:43,104 --> 00:17:44,397 And I'm not gonna lie. 246 00:17:44,397 --> 00:17:48,193 I honestly thought that this was gonna help 247 00:17:48,193 --> 00:17:51,821 get me a little bit of fame. And I wanted a video of me up on YouTube. 248 00:17:57,202 --> 00:18:00,747 And the more people that I talked to about this that said, 249 00:18:00,747 --> 00:18:03,083 "No, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it," 250 00:18:04,668 --> 00:18:06,544 the more it motivated me. 251 00:18:08,838 --> 00:18:12,092 My first conversations with Russ involved going to his website, 252 00:18:12,092 --> 00:18:15,136 finding out what his email address was, and I just sent him an email. 253 00:18:15,136 --> 00:18:18,682 And I contacted the admins about doing a tour. 254 00:18:18,682 --> 00:18:22,602 "I wanna be an actress. I love horror. Um, I'm trying to start a YouTube channel. 255 00:18:22,602 --> 00:18:24,479 Like, I would love to do this haunt." 256 00:18:24,479 --> 00:18:28,066 Not even two days later, I actually got the email back from him. 257 00:18:30,193 --> 00:18:33,238 "Hey, Gabi, are you available tomorrow? 258 00:18:33,238 --> 00:18:35,949 I have, like, a spot opening up. Someone bailed." 259 00:18:35,949 --> 00:18:39,411 We kind of bonded because we were both in the service. 260 00:18:39,411 --> 00:18:43,415 He says, "This is your only opportunity to get in. I got 20,000 people waiting, 261 00:18:43,415 --> 00:18:45,625 I'm bumping you to the front of the line." 262 00:18:45,625 --> 00:18:48,169 People get so obsessed, and Russ is feeding their ears, 263 00:18:48,169 --> 00:18:51,131 and they're like, "This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, 264 00:18:51,131 --> 00:18:53,258 because I'll never get this chance again." 265 00:18:53,258 --> 00:18:56,845 Then, I had to do this little video that Russ asked me to do, 266 00:18:56,845 --> 00:19:00,807 live on this private Facebook group. 267 00:19:00,807 --> 00:19:04,644 I had a friend hanging me by my ankles upside down, 268 00:19:04,644 --> 00:19:07,981 and I actually ate night crawlers 269 00:19:07,981 --> 00:19:10,358 mixed with toothpaste and mustard. 270 00:19:10,358 --> 00:19:12,944 She's done. She's ate all the worms. 271 00:19:15,780 --> 00:19:18,950 And it was horrible. Absolutely horrible. 272 00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:20,910 But I felt like I needed to be 273 00:19:20,910 --> 00:19:23,788 over the top in my creativity, 274 00:19:23,788 --> 00:19:26,416 because he was a big deal, 275 00:19:26,416 --> 00:19:29,002 and I wanted to stand out from the rest. 276 00:19:30,420 --> 00:19:33,089 He announces, you know, I can do a tour. 277 00:19:33,089 --> 00:19:34,466 I said yes. 278 00:19:34,466 --> 00:19:36,176 And I was over the moon excited. 279 00:19:36,176 --> 00:19:40,096 I was like, I guess, for some reason, he liked my email. 280 00:19:40,096 --> 00:19:42,307 And he was very kind at that time. 281 00:19:42,307 --> 00:19:44,809 He made me feel like I was important 282 00:19:44,809 --> 00:19:47,020 and that I was already this huge celebrity 283 00:19:47,020 --> 00:19:48,605 and I had a fan base. 284 00:19:50,357 --> 00:19:51,941 You know, I'm gonna rock this. 285 00:20:11,961 --> 00:20:14,798 I'm super scared. I don't know who my partner is. 286 00:20:14,798 --> 00:20:17,676 Um, I'm waiting until it gets a little closer to the time, 287 00:20:17,676 --> 00:20:19,928 then I'm gonna go sit in the spot and wait. 288 00:20:19,928 --> 00:20:23,973 He said, "Find parking near the park. There are bleachers. Sit at the bleachers, 289 00:20:23,973 --> 00:20:26,935 face forward. Don't turn around or anything." 290 00:20:26,935 --> 00:20:30,772 And then, I went and met Russ at the park 291 00:20:30,772 --> 00:20:32,399 for my waiver signing. 292 00:20:32,399 --> 00:20:35,402 I was nervous. I was shaking. My hands were trembling, 293 00:20:35,402 --> 00:20:38,363 and I was trying to fake that I was fine. 294 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:45,120 Sure. 295 00:20:45,995 --> 00:20:47,622 That was the infamous waiver. 296 00:20:47,622 --> 00:20:51,501 That was the waiver that you're basically signing your life away. 297 00:20:51,501 --> 00:20:55,463 We're not responsible if you die. Like, you're agreeing to sign up for this. 298 00:20:57,674 --> 00:20:58,675 No. 299 00:21:00,385 --> 00:21:02,846 - Yes, yes. - Take this. Don't get it wet. 300 00:21:02,846 --> 00:21:05,515 Why are you doing this? That's my question. Why would you do this 301 00:21:05,515 --> 00:21:08,393 after everything that's happening, why would you sign this waiver? 302 00:21:11,604 --> 00:21:16,526 "Participant fully understands and agrees that once participant enters MM, 303 00:21:16,526 --> 00:21:20,655 there is no quitting unless serious psychological injury is present." 304 00:21:20,655 --> 00:21:23,324 Your hair may be chopped off. Dentistry may be done. 305 00:21:23,324 --> 00:21:24,909 You may have a tooth extracted. 306 00:21:24,909 --> 00:21:28,079 "Head, neck, back injuries, death, stroke, 307 00:21:28,079 --> 00:21:30,373 traumatic brain injury, brain aneurysm." 308 00:21:30,373 --> 00:21:32,709 I wasn't allowed to, like, look at the person 309 00:21:32,709 --> 00:21:33,835 who gave us the waiver. 310 00:21:33,835 --> 00:21:35,503 We had very weird instructions. 311 00:21:35,503 --> 00:21:40,008 "Retinal hemorrhage, subdural hematoma, loss of consciousness, whiplash, 312 00:21:40,008 --> 00:21:42,093 "harmful heart reactions, 313 00:21:42,093 --> 00:21:45,305 "nausea, headache, dizziness, lacerations, 314 00:21:45,305 --> 00:21:47,098 broken or sprained bones." 315 00:21:48,266 --> 00:21:50,226 None of this had gotten to me. 316 00:21:51,561 --> 00:21:55,440 I had too much excitement going through my veins at the time. 317 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,485 If it would've said a man's gonna come out of the woods 318 00:21:58,485 --> 00:22:01,571 and murder you during this event, I-I would've signed it. 319 00:22:16,836 --> 00:22:20,006 I get that feeling, that adrenaline is just building, 320 00:22:20,006 --> 00:22:23,510 which is reminiscent right before I left the wire when I was in Iraq. 321 00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:26,846 This was going outside of the safety of your FOB. 322 00:22:28,056 --> 00:22:29,974 The FOB, it's a forward operation base. 323 00:22:30,684 --> 00:22:32,477 That's where we lived. 324 00:22:32,477 --> 00:22:35,939 There's a clear delineation of safety there. You know, safe, 325 00:22:37,357 --> 00:22:38,358 not safe. 326 00:22:39,693 --> 00:22:41,569 As soon as you go outside the gate... 327 00:22:43,697 --> 00:22:46,116 - ...adrenaline's as high as you can go. 328 00:22:46,116 --> 00:22:49,369 - Yeah! Woo! 329 00:22:49,369 --> 00:22:51,705 - Yeah! 330 00:22:56,501 --> 00:22:58,795 We lost a lot of people over there. 331 00:22:58,795 --> 00:23:00,922 People were dying every single day. 332 00:23:02,716 --> 00:23:06,219 I did 21 years. I did three combat tours in Iraq, 333 00:23:06,219 --> 00:23:08,722 which spanned over 40 months. 334 00:23:09,931 --> 00:23:12,726 At the start of the deployment, I had hope. 335 00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:18,106 Very shortly, I realized you abandon your hope. 336 00:23:19,024 --> 00:23:22,402 You realize that death can come at any moment. 337 00:23:24,863 --> 00:23:27,532 Military experience is extreme. 338 00:23:27,532 --> 00:23:32,078 Terror haunt experience is extreme. Anything that we do that is extreme, 339 00:23:32,078 --> 00:23:35,582 adrenaline, when it's coursing through us, I mean, it makes us feel powerful. 340 00:23:35,582 --> 00:23:38,376 A lot of times when people have had combat experiences, 341 00:23:38,376 --> 00:23:41,504 you cannot get that feeling anywhere else. 342 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,257 - So, it almost gets kind of locked in. - Mm. 343 00:23:44,257 --> 00:23:47,093 I'm Dr. Lindsay Bira, clinical health psychologist 344 00:23:47,093 --> 00:23:49,846 and PTSD and trauma specialist. 345 00:23:49,846 --> 00:23:51,931 When somebody has had a trauma 346 00:23:51,931 --> 00:23:54,476 and their nervous system is a little bit hijacked, 347 00:23:54,476 --> 00:23:56,186 like we see in PTSD, 348 00:23:56,186 --> 00:24:00,482 then it drives them to seek external sensation to try to regulate. 349 00:24:02,484 --> 00:24:06,571 And for anybody with anxiety, depression, PTSD, 350 00:24:06,571 --> 00:24:09,407 somebody experiencing emotional abnormalities, 351 00:24:09,407 --> 00:24:13,203 they are more likely to seek external stimulation. 352 00:24:15,872 --> 00:24:18,625 I'm worried about these types of experiences 353 00:24:18,625 --> 00:24:20,794 because there's no real structure. 354 00:24:20,794 --> 00:24:23,338 There's no limits. The limits keep getting pushed. 355 00:24:25,006 --> 00:24:28,426 But, the most important thing is to be very careful 356 00:24:28,426 --> 00:24:32,389 who is leading an extreme experience. 357 00:24:33,223 --> 00:24:36,685 There can easily be abuse of power, 358 00:24:36,685 --> 00:24:39,896 and we don't know how far to trust somebody. 359 00:24:45,860 --> 00:24:47,570 He stuck me in his truck. 360 00:24:47,570 --> 00:24:50,532 Hey, everybody. Come on in. 361 00:24:50,532 --> 00:24:53,785 I was blindfolded, I couldn't see anything, 362 00:24:53,785 --> 00:24:57,831 and off we went to the manor to begin the tour. 363 00:25:02,377 --> 00:25:05,255 - He puts me into his truck. 364 00:25:05,255 --> 00:25:07,757 He puts earphones on me, 365 00:25:07,757 --> 00:25:11,678 and then I remember the sounds of babies crying, 366 00:25:11,678 --> 00:25:14,139 - and it's very, very loud. 367 00:25:15,390 --> 00:25:18,810 I'm like, "Okay, I've just lost my sense of hearing." 368 00:25:18,810 --> 00:25:22,272 - And then, he starts duct taping my head. 369 00:25:22,272 --> 00:25:25,191 He covers my entire head with duct tape, 370 00:25:25,191 --> 00:25:26,526 that I bought, mind you. 371 00:25:26,526 --> 00:25:30,030 Once they kidnapped us and put us in the van, that's when I, like, 372 00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:31,698 I don't even think I felt anxious. 373 00:25:31,698 --> 00:25:34,034 I think I was in, like, fight or flight mode, 374 00:25:34,034 --> 00:25:36,578 and I had to fight 'cause there was nowhere that I could go. 375 00:25:36,578 --> 00:25:38,538 So I was just very focused. 376 00:25:40,123 --> 00:25:42,083 I don't know what to expect. 377 00:25:42,083 --> 00:25:45,253 I knew this was go time, right? 378 00:25:45,253 --> 00:25:48,840 I'm getting what I've been wanting to do for years. 379 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,967 It's time! Then, the door swings open. 380 00:25:50,967 --> 00:25:52,469 Come over here. 381 00:25:52,469 --> 00:25:54,721 I was so focused because he was filming me. 382 00:25:54,721 --> 00:25:57,474 I had camera fright. 383 00:25:57,474 --> 00:26:00,643 This video's live, and so it was very, very scary. 384 00:26:00,643 --> 00:26:03,396 Fans, what color would you like her base to be? 385 00:26:03,396 --> 00:26:05,857 You got purple, red, pink, yellow. 386 00:26:05,857 --> 00:26:07,859 He hyped me up, did lives, 387 00:26:07,859 --> 00:26:09,778 and he's reading off the comments. 388 00:26:09,778 --> 00:26:12,447 She's a sport. Guys, she's a sport. 389 00:26:12,447 --> 00:26:16,326 You're gonna be the best one, you're gonna put on the best show ever. 390 00:26:16,326 --> 00:26:20,205 Hypes it up all the time. Really gets you going, gets the fans going. 391 00:26:20,205 --> 00:26:24,125 And then, that-that starts to get into, you know, your ego. 392 00:26:24,125 --> 00:26:25,502 You're like, "Oh, my God, 393 00:26:25,502 --> 00:26:28,588 "I got thousands of people watching me. I was a nobody, 394 00:26:28,588 --> 00:26:31,341 I-- and now I got people rooting me on?" 395 00:26:31,341 --> 00:26:33,885 And you don't wanna let 'em down. 396 00:26:36,179 --> 00:26:37,806 They pushed us out of the van. 397 00:26:37,806 --> 00:26:40,100 And I think we had to crawl through, like, chicken wire. 398 00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:42,018 They had, like, some maze through a garage. 399 00:26:45,230 --> 00:26:47,941 When we got to the other side, that's when we met Russ, 400 00:26:47,941 --> 00:26:50,860 and he looked so happy, so excited. 401 00:26:50,860 --> 00:26:53,613 He had a big old flashlight with a camera on his head. 402 00:26:55,156 --> 00:26:57,784 In the moment, just the way he's, like, talking about it 403 00:26:57,784 --> 00:27:01,287 and the tone of his voice as he's talking about it as it's happening. 404 00:27:01,287 --> 00:27:04,833 Are you prepared? Good. This is your one chance. 405 00:27:04,833 --> 00:27:08,128 I'm gonna give you an out. If you want out, you can get out now. 406 00:27:08,128 --> 00:27:11,047 - Verbalize. - No, I wanna stay in. 407 00:27:11,047 --> 00:27:13,967 Okay, that's what I like. Okay, cover her eyes. 408 00:27:28,481 --> 00:27:30,525 It was definitely an endurance test. 409 00:27:40,243 --> 00:27:43,455 Wall climb! Batman time! Batman time! 410 00:27:44,497 --> 00:27:47,876 There is no EMTs. There are no medics. 411 00:27:47,876 --> 00:27:49,669 What happens if you're in a stunt, 412 00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:53,214 and somethin' happens to him, and he's hurt? You could be tied up. 413 00:27:53,214 --> 00:27:56,760 Y-You're stuck, nobody's gonna find you. 414 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,054 - Oh! No, you go in there! 415 00:27:59,054 --> 00:28:01,139 - Sit! 416 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,102 Next thing I know, he grabs my chest and dunks my head under water. 417 00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:08,480 And he holds my chest there. 418 00:28:11,816 --> 00:28:13,818 I'm thinking, "If I just hold my breath 419 00:28:13,818 --> 00:28:15,862 "and don't think, stop moving, 420 00:28:15,862 --> 00:28:18,323 he'll eventually pull me back up", which he does. 421 00:28:18,323 --> 00:28:20,408 And then I start gasping for air again. 422 00:28:20,408 --> 00:28:22,744 And then he does it five or six more times. 423 00:28:26,664 --> 00:28:28,500 What if this isn't fake? 424 00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:30,710 What if I'm really trapped in this-this freezer now? 425 00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:34,130 Like, and I'm at this guy's house, I don't know where I'm at location-wise. 426 00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:37,884 - Let me out! - Louder! 427 00:28:37,884 --> 00:28:41,429 So, that just all happened in my mind, and I just had a panic attack. 428 00:28:41,429 --> 00:28:43,765 - Let me out! - You want out? 429 00:28:43,765 --> 00:28:47,268 - Oh, you crying? I think she was crying! 430 00:28:47,268 --> 00:28:49,854 Oh, beautiful tears, yes! 431 00:28:50,730 --> 00:28:53,733 - Oh, look at this. Look at the camera. 432 00:28:53,733 --> 00:28:55,318 Look at camera! 433 00:28:56,695 --> 00:28:57,904 I wanna get out. 434 00:28:58,863 --> 00:29:01,950 This is just the beginning. You understand that, right? 435 00:29:01,950 --> 00:29:04,619 There's so many dark places you're gonna go tonight. 436 00:29:09,207 --> 00:29:12,168 There's a certain point where they put us in straitjackets 437 00:29:12,168 --> 00:29:14,796 with chains over our neck, and I was like, "Oh gosh, 438 00:29:14,796 --> 00:29:16,506 this is uncomfortable and it's heavy." 439 00:29:19,926 --> 00:29:22,887 And then that's when the water boarding proceeded to happen. 440 00:29:22,887 --> 00:29:25,015 Put your head in there. 441 00:29:35,817 --> 00:29:39,696 I was like, "Oh, this is what it means to be waterboarded. 442 00:29:39,696 --> 00:29:42,198 I feel like I'm drowning." 443 00:29:43,450 --> 00:29:46,745 So, you're gonna have to be looking for the big baby bottle. 444 00:29:46,953 --> 00:29:49,164 - Yeah, go. 445 00:29:49,164 --> 00:29:51,583 - Ew... Oh... - Get on your belly. 446 00:29:51,583 --> 00:29:54,044 - Get on your belly! 447 00:29:54,044 --> 00:29:56,296 I'm terrified of spiders. Like, to the point 448 00:29:56,296 --> 00:29:59,841 where if I even see one across the room, I get, like, a rash, and I just get itchy 449 00:29:59,841 --> 00:30:02,385 'cause I just cannot stand them. And he knew that. 450 00:30:02,385 --> 00:30:04,929 He asked me going in, like, what my biggest fear was. 451 00:30:09,309 --> 00:30:12,771 - Shh. Don't make any noise. 452 00:30:12,771 --> 00:30:14,189 Shh... 453 00:30:14,189 --> 00:30:15,815 Don't make any quick motion. 454 00:30:15,815 --> 00:30:17,692 Please, no. 455 00:30:17,692 --> 00:30:20,153 They were telling me that the tarantula was mad, 456 00:30:20,153 --> 00:30:21,613 and I didn't know that, like, 457 00:30:21,613 --> 00:30:23,907 you're not supposed to handle tarantulas like that. 458 00:30:23,907 --> 00:30:26,201 So he could-- the tarantula, like, could've gotten mad 459 00:30:26,201 --> 00:30:28,661 and like, at me, and bit me, I guess. 460 00:30:28,661 --> 00:30:31,748 So they were like, "Don't cry. Quit freaking out, don't cry." 461 00:30:31,748 --> 00:30:33,875 And I was like, "You have a spider on my face. 462 00:30:33,875 --> 00:30:36,002 How am I not supposed to cry?" And then he's like, 463 00:30:36,002 --> 00:30:37,295 "We're gonna do it anyway. 464 00:30:37,295 --> 00:30:39,130 So like, if you cry, you're gonna get hurt." 465 00:30:39,130 --> 00:30:42,092 So like, in the video, I just froze. I think I just like, stopped breathing, 466 00:30:42,092 --> 00:30:44,469 and I just, like, had an out of body experience. 467 00:30:44,469 --> 00:30:46,888 Please don't. Please. 468 00:30:46,888 --> 00:30:50,141 Look at her. Look at her, Mary, look at her. 469 00:30:50,141 --> 00:30:52,519 - Isn't she pretty? - Please! 470 00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:55,271 - Look at her. - Please don't. 471 00:30:55,271 --> 00:30:57,399 - Please. - Oops. Oops. 472 00:30:57,399 --> 00:30:59,734 Please don't. Please don't. Please don't! 473 00:30:59,734 --> 00:31:01,903 - Shh... 474 00:31:01,903 --> 00:31:04,572 It was, like, that moment that it kind of shifted for me. 475 00:31:12,539 --> 00:31:15,083 I think I'd went seven, eight hours. 476 00:31:16,918 --> 00:31:18,795 Find that baby bottle. 477 00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:24,384 Alright, guys. She's doing really good tonight. 478 00:31:24,384 --> 00:31:27,595 But, in that moment, I'm like the celebrity. 479 00:31:27,595 --> 00:31:29,097 I have this huge fan base. 480 00:31:29,097 --> 00:31:31,599 That was big for me. That was huge. 481 00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:34,686 She's a trooper, and she wants to continue on, so, 482 00:31:34,686 --> 00:31:37,397 so we're just, we're doing stuff right now. 483 00:31:37,397 --> 00:31:39,607 You're a rock star. 484 00:31:39,607 --> 00:31:42,110 He closed this cage gate on top of me, 485 00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:44,112 and this water was freezing cold. 486 00:31:44,112 --> 00:31:46,281 And he said, 487 00:31:46,281 --> 00:31:49,367 "Okay, I'm gonna start raising the water level." 488 00:31:49,367 --> 00:31:52,454 When I could start feeling the water rise and when I remember 489 00:31:52,454 --> 00:31:54,789 I tried to put resistance on the cage, 490 00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:56,916 and I-- it wouldn't budge, 491 00:31:58,084 --> 00:32:00,337 that's when I just, I was like, I'm done. I'm done. 492 00:32:03,882 --> 00:32:05,842 - Exactly, exactly. - I ended up quitting. 493 00:32:05,842 --> 00:32:09,262 - You got punished here. - This is her punishment 494 00:32:09,262 --> 00:32:11,556 for not findin' the baby bottle. 495 00:32:11,556 --> 00:32:14,184 - McKamey Manor just what? - McKamey Manor just kicked my ass. 496 00:32:14,184 --> 00:32:15,685 - And you quit. - And I quit. 497 00:32:15,685 --> 00:32:19,230 - I didn't wanna die. - I'm done. 498 00:32:19,230 --> 00:32:21,149 - Tell me you quit. - I quit. 499 00:32:21,149 --> 00:32:23,526 I don't wanna be locked in the dark anymore. 500 00:32:23,526 --> 00:32:25,987 Russ is there the entire time, recording it. 501 00:32:25,987 --> 00:32:29,491 And the joy and, like, pleasure 502 00:32:29,491 --> 00:32:33,161 that he was getting out of it was extremely weird. 503 00:32:33,161 --> 00:32:35,330 You could see he was unfazed. 504 00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:39,709 I'm here, bawling, I'm bleeding, and you're just living your best life, 505 00:32:39,709 --> 00:32:42,545 trying to figure out how much further you could take it. 506 00:32:42,545 --> 00:32:44,839 And I'm just-- that's concerning to me. 507 00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:48,009 But in the moment, I was like, "Oh, this is Russ, this is the guy. 508 00:32:48,009 --> 00:32:50,470 He has the camera on his head. Let's do the tour." 509 00:32:51,012 --> 00:32:53,223 Some of these other extreme haunts, 510 00:32:53,223 --> 00:32:57,060 the trust that I've given them has not been broken. 511 00:32:57,060 --> 00:33:01,022 Even though I'm telling them to push, even though I'm telling them 512 00:33:01,022 --> 00:33:04,859 to do worse and worse stuff to me, I think, deep down, 513 00:33:05,568 --> 00:33:07,654 I know that they're not gonna kill me. 514 00:33:07,654 --> 00:33:10,323 You know, I know they're not gonna cause 515 00:33:10,323 --> 00:33:13,493 permanent physical danger, 516 00:33:13,493 --> 00:33:17,455 but trust was broken with Russ McKamey. 517 00:33:22,335 --> 00:33:24,629 My experience was fucked up, but I also am aware 518 00:33:24,629 --> 00:33:27,173 that every experience after mine 519 00:33:27,173 --> 00:33:30,719 was a thousand times worse because I think he did see 520 00:33:30,719 --> 00:33:34,014 that he kind of was able to keep us for seven hours, 521 00:33:34,014 --> 00:33:37,559 and kind of do whatever he wanted, and, like, we didn't do anything about it. 522 00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:40,562 We just, like, left and said, "Thanks so much, have a great time." 523 00:33:40,562 --> 00:33:43,565 So I think for him that was validation. Like, "Oh, I could do more." 524 00:33:45,150 --> 00:33:49,112 Hey, everybody, it's Russ. Coming at you right here from McKamey Manor. 525 00:33:49,112 --> 00:33:53,658 Never come here. Don't let-- Don't let anybody 526 00:33:53,658 --> 00:33:55,910 talk you into it or any of that 527 00:33:55,910 --> 00:33:58,705 because it's, um, it's brutal. 528 00:34:06,171 --> 00:34:07,547 The "why." 529 00:34:15,889 --> 00:34:17,849 Everybody's always gonna wonder the why, 530 00:34:17,849 --> 00:34:21,895 and the why is different for each and every individual that goes through. 531 00:34:28,610 --> 00:34:30,111 My name is DJ Williams. 532 00:34:30,111 --> 00:34:33,198 I'm a full professor at Idaho State University 533 00:34:33,198 --> 00:34:34,866 in Pocatello, Idaho. 534 00:34:34,866 --> 00:34:38,745 I was given the title Dr. Deviant from a dominatrix who I mentored under. 535 00:34:40,246 --> 00:34:42,457 And my research covers sort of the range 536 00:34:42,457 --> 00:34:44,668 and spectrum of deviance and leisure, 537 00:34:44,668 --> 00:34:47,128 and that can include a lot of different things. 538 00:34:47,128 --> 00:34:50,048 That can include criminal activity as leisure. 539 00:34:50,048 --> 00:34:54,094 It can include BDSM and sexuality as leisure. 540 00:34:54,969 --> 00:34:58,598 The extreme horror, extreme experiences phenomenon, 541 00:34:58,598 --> 00:35:01,476 definitely fits within the area of deviant leisure. 542 00:35:02,769 --> 00:35:04,688 And it's hard for people to understand 543 00:35:04,688 --> 00:35:08,733 someone who is clearly an intense sensation seeker or risk taker 544 00:35:08,733 --> 00:35:11,569 that those challenges are actual needs. 545 00:35:11,569 --> 00:35:14,989 And so, we need to have a space, an, an acceptance for people 546 00:35:14,989 --> 00:35:17,117 who are craving those kinds of needs. 547 00:35:17,117 --> 00:35:20,245 So, I think it's easy for, sometimes people to kinda sit back and say, 548 00:35:20,245 --> 00:35:24,165 "Why would somebody do this? There must be something wrong with them." 549 00:35:24,165 --> 00:35:26,710 And that's not the case, necessarily. 550 00:35:29,838 --> 00:35:32,674 I grew up in private Christian school. 551 00:35:32,674 --> 00:35:35,427 I grew up hearing if you lie, you're gonna go to Hell. 552 00:35:35,427 --> 00:35:37,637 And it wasn't just, like, you're gonna go to Hell. 553 00:35:37,637 --> 00:35:41,099 It's like, "Your skin is gonna burn off, and your eyes are gonna melt." 554 00:35:41,099 --> 00:35:42,434 And I'm, like, 5. 555 00:35:43,643 --> 00:35:47,397 I am queer, so being Black-queer in a space like that, 556 00:35:47,397 --> 00:35:49,691 was really hard to navigate as, like, a young kid. 557 00:35:49,691 --> 00:35:52,485 It's, like, pro-conversion therapy, "Let's get that out of you. 558 00:35:52,485 --> 00:35:54,946 This isn't natural. You're living a life of sin." 559 00:35:54,946 --> 00:35:58,033 So just growing up hearing that, I didn't even know that it was okay. 560 00:35:58,033 --> 00:35:59,993 I didn't even know what queer was. 561 00:35:59,993 --> 00:36:02,537 I just knew that, like, I was really different. 562 00:36:02,537 --> 00:36:05,290 I just knew that it was bad and evil. 563 00:36:05,290 --> 00:36:08,543 To this day, like, I have anxiety 24/7, 564 00:36:08,543 --> 00:36:10,754 so, like, even right now, my heart's like... . 565 00:36:10,754 --> 00:36:13,631 It used to be so bad where I couldn't go to the grocery store, 566 00:36:13,631 --> 00:36:15,133 I would just like sit in my car 567 00:36:15,133 --> 00:36:17,635 'cause just I felt too overwhelmed with everything. 568 00:36:17,635 --> 00:36:21,056 So, when I watch a horror film, I have that same feeling, 569 00:36:21,056 --> 00:36:24,392 but it's safely on my couch, and it makes sense. 570 00:36:25,477 --> 00:36:28,563 It's like, oh, there's a guy with a chainsaw on the TV, 571 00:36:28,563 --> 00:36:29,939 like, gonna hurt somebody. 572 00:36:29,939 --> 00:36:32,067 There's a reason to be anxious in this moment. 573 00:36:32,984 --> 00:36:34,778 Which is why I started looking into 574 00:36:34,778 --> 00:36:37,113 the whole immersive horror experience thing. 575 00:36:37,113 --> 00:36:40,075 So, I was like, "What if I live through something crazy" 576 00:36:40,075 --> 00:36:43,203 and then I know that I can do anything going forward. 577 00:36:43,203 --> 00:36:44,662 It reminds me, "Hey, 578 00:36:44,662 --> 00:36:48,333 "I just went through this series of events, 579 00:36:48,333 --> 00:36:49,626 and I survived." 580 00:36:54,255 --> 00:36:56,883 As a young child, 581 00:36:57,676 --> 00:37:00,470 I dealt with an abusive mother. 582 00:37:01,596 --> 00:37:04,474 Being put into a foster home at such a young age 583 00:37:04,474 --> 00:37:06,935 was very, very traumatic. 584 00:37:07,686 --> 00:37:11,481 It was scary having to go through people and people and people, 585 00:37:11,481 --> 00:37:15,568 and tell the same story over and over again of what happened. 586 00:37:15,568 --> 00:37:17,487 To be one day ripped apart 587 00:37:17,487 --> 00:37:20,156 from everyone you know and everything. 588 00:37:20,156 --> 00:37:23,159 To be told you're taken to a safer place, 589 00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:28,081 and the place you're going to is just full of unknown and uncertainty, 590 00:37:28,081 --> 00:37:31,167 and it just breaks a part of you inside. 591 00:37:32,419 --> 00:37:35,422 I feel like I do these things to remind myself 592 00:37:35,422 --> 00:37:38,216 that I'm strong, and I'm a survivor, 593 00:37:38,216 --> 00:37:40,760 and I can get through a lot of shit. 594 00:37:43,138 --> 00:37:45,140 A lot of people go through 595 00:37:45,140 --> 00:37:47,267 really traumatic situations, 596 00:37:47,267 --> 00:37:50,854 and they find something to fill this gap. 597 00:37:50,854 --> 00:37:54,899 And I would see the progress of making it through something that's terrible 598 00:37:54,899 --> 00:37:57,694 and-and using it to the advantage of yourself. 599 00:38:02,490 --> 00:38:06,703 It sounds like there's a lot of, kind of pushing, or here's an edge, 600 00:38:06,703 --> 00:38:08,955 but then, "Okay, I can go beyond that edge. 601 00:38:08,955 --> 00:38:11,499 I just accomplished this. I guess let's take it further." 602 00:38:11,499 --> 00:38:15,253 Like, I feel like I need-- Like, I need that type of punishment. 603 00:38:15,253 --> 00:38:16,546 Mm-hmm. 604 00:38:16,546 --> 00:38:18,631 Like it's something that-- 605 00:38:19,591 --> 00:38:21,718 it's something that I feel like I deserve. 606 00:38:23,636 --> 00:38:26,723 When I got back, I was a completely different person. 607 00:38:26,723 --> 00:38:29,476 Okay and that was after you came back from the military, right? 608 00:38:29,476 --> 00:38:31,144 Yes, that was after my 609 00:38:31,144 --> 00:38:32,812 - third tour in Iraq. - Okay. 610 00:38:32,812 --> 00:38:37,067 I didn't see here as home. This wasn't home to me anymore. 611 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,862 I think I knew I had PTSD. 612 00:38:40,862 --> 00:38:43,448 I sure as hell didn't think I had survivor's guilt, 613 00:38:43,448 --> 00:38:46,201 but one of the things I did is, 614 00:38:46,201 --> 00:38:48,620 I started giving away body parts. 615 00:38:48,620 --> 00:38:50,121 I gave my kidney away. 616 00:38:50,121 --> 00:38:53,750 I was also signed up to give a piece of my liver away. 617 00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:56,753 And I also signed up for the bone marrow transplant list. 618 00:38:58,588 --> 00:39:00,799 I was gonna give away as much as I could. 619 00:39:02,133 --> 00:39:04,302 I didn't see any purpose anymore. 620 00:39:06,262 --> 00:39:08,640 There's parts of me that are essentially broken, you know, 621 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,142 and, emotionally, mentally, physically, what have you. 622 00:39:11,142 --> 00:39:14,396 It's not a bad thing to push the limits 623 00:39:14,396 --> 00:39:17,148 or to, you know, have a very real human experience 624 00:39:17,148 --> 00:39:19,401 or to explore the edges of human experience. 625 00:39:19,401 --> 00:39:22,320 I think that's actually an awesome thing. 626 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,907 But, you are desensitizing yourself to those natural cues, 627 00:39:25,907 --> 00:39:28,993 where your brain and your body is saying, "This is my limit." 628 00:39:30,286 --> 00:39:31,371 Yeah. 629 00:39:31,371 --> 00:39:34,249 That's something really good to think about. 630 00:39:35,250 --> 00:39:38,253 Well, I mean, I just look at those ultra-marathon runners, right? 631 00:39:38,253 --> 00:39:42,257 They punish their body. Their feet are torn to pieces, you know? 632 00:39:42,257 --> 00:39:45,760 It's all in the name of, you know, self-improvement. 633 00:39:48,221 --> 00:39:50,640 You have big wave surfers, 634 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,102 you have freestyle mountain climbers who use no safety gear, 635 00:39:54,102 --> 00:39:56,187 deep ocean divers, 636 00:39:56,187 --> 00:39:58,565 and they're constantly pushing that edge. 637 00:39:58,565 --> 00:40:00,525 Why is this any different? 638 00:40:00,525 --> 00:40:03,570 I could never run an ultra marathon. I know I can't. 639 00:40:03,570 --> 00:40:05,739 But, I can, I can get tortured for 12 hours. 640 00:40:05,739 --> 00:40:07,657 The fun has just begun. 641 00:40:07,657 --> 00:40:11,369 So far, what you've endured is nothing compared to the last half. 642 00:40:14,664 --> 00:40:18,251 Torture is the intentional infliction 643 00:40:18,251 --> 00:40:22,255 of serious or severe pain and suffering 644 00:40:22,255 --> 00:40:24,466 - on a person... 645 00:40:24,466 --> 00:40:26,634 ...for the purpose of punishment 646 00:40:26,634 --> 00:40:29,179 or to force them to do or say something. 647 00:40:31,348 --> 00:40:32,974 My name is Alka Pradhan. 648 00:40:32,974 --> 00:40:36,144 I'm a human rights attorney practicing at Guantanamo Bay 649 00:40:36,144 --> 00:40:38,438 and before the International Criminal Court. 650 00:40:38,438 --> 00:40:41,816 And my expertise is in working with torture victims. 651 00:40:42,776 --> 00:40:47,405 And in my work at Guantanamo Bay, I'm employed by the Department of Defense. 652 00:40:47,405 --> 00:40:50,033 And so, nothing I say represents 653 00:40:50,033 --> 00:40:52,410 the opinion of the Department of Defense. 654 00:40:52,410 --> 00:40:55,872 And nothing I say should be taken to confirm or deny any information 655 00:40:55,872 --> 00:40:59,000 that the Department of Defense considers to be classified. 656 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,046 Personally, I am really repulsed 657 00:41:03,046 --> 00:41:07,092 by the idea of anyone using torture 658 00:41:07,092 --> 00:41:10,387 or acts that simulate torture 659 00:41:10,387 --> 00:41:13,264 in a way that is entertaining. 660 00:41:15,475 --> 00:41:18,436 Nothing about torture is entertaining. 661 00:41:18,436 --> 00:41:21,773 Undergoing torture doesn't really strengthen you. 662 00:41:21,773 --> 00:41:23,358 If it doesn't kill people, 663 00:41:23,358 --> 00:41:26,319 it affects them for the entirety of their lives. 664 00:41:27,362 --> 00:41:30,031 The first thing to keep in mind is that 665 00:41:32,450 --> 00:41:34,369 all torture has psychological effects. 666 00:41:34,619 --> 00:41:38,373 Even if you consent to some aspect of that, 667 00:41:38,373 --> 00:41:40,792 the fear created in your mind, 668 00:41:41,918 --> 00:41:45,380 what psychologists often call "uncontrollable stress," 669 00:41:46,131 --> 00:41:48,425 can literally change your neural pathways. 670 00:41:48,425 --> 00:41:51,678 And it's something that is almost impossible to remove. 671 00:41:55,140 --> 00:41:57,934 So, did-did you expect all that after, you know? 672 00:41:57,934 --> 00:42:01,271 Well, I expected it to be rough, but I didn't expect to actually cry. 673 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,153 - Yeah, you did cry. - Yeah, like five times. 674 00:42:11,322 --> 00:42:14,868 Russ posted my video on YouTube, and it went super viral. 675 00:42:20,832 --> 00:42:23,001 A few months after going through it, 676 00:42:23,001 --> 00:42:25,420 I, so bad, just wanted to be involved 677 00:42:25,420 --> 00:42:27,422 with, like, anything to do with horror. 678 00:42:27,422 --> 00:42:30,508 Whether it was, like, acting or, like, writing or anything. 679 00:42:31,509 --> 00:42:33,178 And Russ saw that. 680 00:42:34,095 --> 00:42:37,724 And I ended up running his Facebook group, I was running his YouTube channel, 681 00:42:37,724 --> 00:42:40,393 I was running his Twitter. I was like his little assistant. 682 00:42:40,393 --> 00:42:43,146 Get people into the haunt, hype it up. 683 00:42:43,146 --> 00:42:45,357 If people were talking negatively about it, 684 00:42:45,357 --> 00:42:47,359 I was supposed to, like, undercut them. 685 00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:50,278 Be like, "No, like, I've met Russ. He's, like, such a great guy." 686 00:42:50,278 --> 00:42:53,490 So, I was just supposed to be his, like, wingman. 687 00:42:54,741 --> 00:42:57,994 But then, I started to get some weird feelings. 688 00:42:57,994 --> 00:42:59,829 Um, 689 00:42:59,829 --> 00:43:03,375 I'm just gonna keep this short. It's actually hard to talk. 690 00:43:03,375 --> 00:43:07,420 As you can see, my lips are severely swollen. 691 00:43:07,420 --> 00:43:09,714 He likes men that have been in the military. 692 00:43:09,714 --> 00:43:13,551 I think Russ really got off on, like, the power dynamic with the men. 693 00:43:16,096 --> 00:43:18,181 There are some tours where 694 00:43:18,181 --> 00:43:21,518 the way that they were beat up was just too-- like, too far. 695 00:43:21,518 --> 00:43:24,145 Like, broken ribs, concussions, 696 00:43:24,145 --> 00:43:26,481 like, eyes so swollen that they can't even open 'em. 697 00:43:29,192 --> 00:43:30,694 And I think for him, it's power. 698 00:43:30,694 --> 00:43:33,488 Like, "This guy was in the Marines? Like, look at me kicking his ass." 699 00:43:38,118 --> 00:43:41,413 - And then, like, vulnerable women. - No, Russ, that water freaks me out. 700 00:43:41,413 --> 00:43:43,665 - You know that! I hate-- 701 00:43:43,665 --> 00:43:45,792 Please! Please, don't! 702 00:43:45,792 --> 00:43:48,712 Russ feels that if you go through one of his experiences, 703 00:43:48,712 --> 00:43:52,132 especially if you're female, you now have a special bond with Russ. 704 00:43:52,132 --> 00:43:55,635 He really only wanted, like, pretty girls. 705 00:43:57,220 --> 00:43:59,639 No. No! No. 706 00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:01,307 Honey, be quiet. 707 00:44:03,643 --> 00:44:07,689 You knew when he had a new girlfriend because it was nonstop shows. 708 00:44:07,689 --> 00:44:10,316 He would have them come to his house, 709 00:44:10,316 --> 00:44:12,485 and he would just make them 710 00:44:12,485 --> 00:44:14,988 continuously go through a tour 711 00:44:14,988 --> 00:44:16,781 every day that they were with him. 712 00:44:19,492 --> 00:44:22,495 - For some reasons, he feels like 713 00:44:22,495 --> 00:44:24,789 with these women he can go an extra step, 714 00:44:24,789 --> 00:44:28,376 and that safety harness just gets removed a little more. 715 00:44:28,376 --> 00:44:31,838 Things like laying in the grass with a ski mask on my face, 716 00:44:31,838 --> 00:44:34,007 getting sprayed with water over and over, 717 00:44:34,007 --> 00:44:37,177 or submerging into cold water over and over. 718 00:44:37,177 --> 00:44:38,970 And in one particular activity, 719 00:44:38,970 --> 00:44:41,806 I confessed that I was actually afraid of dying. 720 00:44:41,806 --> 00:44:44,934 And he laughed and said that if I died, 721 00:44:44,934 --> 00:44:46,561 at least I would be on camera. 722 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,690 These are really good-looking women. 723 00:44:50,690 --> 00:44:52,901 And you got this guy who lives in a trailer 724 00:44:52,901 --> 00:44:54,986 that sprays you in the face with a hose. 725 00:44:54,986 --> 00:44:58,823 What is he doing to keep 'em to stay? 726 00:44:59,407 --> 00:45:01,368 - I don't know. - I like that. 727 00:45:01,368 --> 00:45:04,454 - There she is! 728 00:45:04,454 --> 00:45:07,540 There she is! The pretty one right there. 729 00:45:07,540 --> 00:45:09,793 McKamey Manor was "Tinder" to him. 730 00:45:09,793 --> 00:45:11,211 Was his "Plenty of Fish." 731 00:45:11,211 --> 00:45:14,297 That's what he used it for. That's the impression that I got. 732 00:45:14,297 --> 00:45:16,466 You can do this. Put your head up, please. 733 00:45:17,926 --> 00:45:20,095 You got this, okay? You got it. 734 00:45:20,095 --> 00:45:24,099 He was my friend. Like, I don't want to think that he would actually 735 00:45:24,099 --> 00:45:27,769 purposely manipulate these women, but he does. 736 00:45:27,769 --> 00:45:30,355 Show 'em what you got in your mouth. 737 00:45:30,355 --> 00:45:33,024 - Ah, ah, ah! - That's right. 738 00:45:33,024 --> 00:45:35,902 - Come here, and you can wear that, too. - Yep! 739 00:45:35,902 --> 00:45:38,071 He knows how to get into people's heads, 740 00:45:38,071 --> 00:45:42,158 he knows the right thing to say, he can read a person really good. 741 00:45:42,575 --> 00:45:45,286 I've seen Russ talk to a person 742 00:45:45,286 --> 00:45:48,498 that hates everything about the haunt, 743 00:45:48,498 --> 00:45:50,750 and turn them into a friend by the end 744 00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:52,252 and wanting to sign up. 745 00:45:52,252 --> 00:45:55,130 He-He is so good at what he does. 746 00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:58,049 Yeah, I'm that big crazy haunted house guy! That's me! 747 00:45:58,049 --> 00:46:00,969 - Are you scared of me? 748 00:46:00,969 --> 00:46:02,637 I'm pretty scary, aren't I? 749 00:46:05,932 --> 00:46:08,601 You know, he would try to manipulate me, too. 750 00:46:13,273 --> 00:46:15,066 When I went through, 751 00:46:16,067 --> 00:46:20,030 Russ had me sit back in, like, a trough. 752 00:46:22,323 --> 00:46:25,076 - Yeah. You like that? - No. 753 00:46:26,161 --> 00:46:30,415 We're gonna fill up this entire little device right here. 754 00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:34,669 And we're gonna have a good time, Kris. 755 00:46:34,669 --> 00:46:36,338 - Oh, yeah. 756 00:46:36,338 --> 00:46:40,842 When I started to realize that I was having the dirt poured over my face... 757 00:46:40,842 --> 00:46:43,970 - No, no, no, no, no. 758 00:46:43,970 --> 00:46:45,764 - How's that feel? 759 00:46:45,764 --> 00:46:46,848 No, no, no, no. 760 00:46:46,848 --> 00:46:49,267 ...and then you're thinking, "Russ is my friend." 761 00:46:49,267 --> 00:46:52,395 You know, "He's-He's just gonna make it look good for the camera." 762 00:46:53,104 --> 00:46:54,606 But then, he didn't stop. 763 00:46:54,606 --> 00:46:57,025 - No, no, no, no, no... - Who's your friend? 764 00:46:57,025 --> 00:46:58,943 - Quiet, shut up. Shut up. 765 00:46:58,943 --> 00:47:00,612 And I can't even tell you 766 00:47:00,612 --> 00:47:03,615 the amount of times in that video that I said "Stop." 767 00:47:03,615 --> 00:47:05,950 - We're gonna bury you completely. 768 00:47:05,950 --> 00:47:08,328 Mm-mm. No, I can't do it. Can't do it. 769 00:47:08,328 --> 00:47:10,705 - No, I can't do it. - You gotta be quiet. 770 00:47:10,705 --> 00:47:12,832 - Be quiet! - No, I'm freaking out. 771 00:47:12,832 --> 00:47:15,126 - You're not freaking out. - No! 772 00:47:15,126 --> 00:47:17,587 I was done. Game over. 773 00:47:17,587 --> 00:47:20,799 And it just kept going and going and going. 774 00:47:20,799 --> 00:47:23,843 And in that moment, I didn't know if it was gonna stop. 775 00:47:23,843 --> 00:47:26,054 We have hours and hours to go, Kris. 776 00:47:26,054 --> 00:47:27,931 No, no, no. Russ, no. 777 00:47:27,931 --> 00:47:29,849 - No more, no more. - You're fine. 778 00:47:29,849 --> 00:47:31,810 - Be quiet. - I quit, I quit. 779 00:47:31,810 --> 00:47:33,687 You don't quit. There is no quitting. 780 00:47:33,687 --> 00:47:35,772 - No. - There is no quitting, Kris. 781 00:47:35,772 --> 00:47:38,316 I-I started to question, "Is this the end?" 782 00:47:38,316 --> 00:47:39,693 I-I can't get out of this. 783 00:47:39,693 --> 00:47:42,987 I was stuck in a spot that I was not moving from. 784 00:47:42,987 --> 00:47:45,573 I wanna bury you completely. Completely. 785 00:47:45,573 --> 00:47:48,201 No, I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. 786 00:47:48,201 --> 00:47:50,745 - Russ, I can't. Russ, I can't. 787 00:47:50,745 --> 00:47:53,707 - I quit. Russ, I quit. I can't. - There's no quitting. 788 00:47:53,707 --> 00:47:56,126 - Russ, I-- - Ooh there! 789 00:47:56,126 --> 00:47:59,796 That doubt starts to seep into your head, and you're thinkin', 790 00:47:59,796 --> 00:48:02,465 "I didn't say goodbye to people. Why did I come here? 791 00:48:02,465 --> 00:48:04,676 "Why did I go against that better judgment? 792 00:48:04,676 --> 00:48:08,722 Am I finally gonna be the one that the line is crossed for?" 793 00:48:10,807 --> 00:48:12,434 You really don't wanna do this. 794 00:48:15,145 --> 00:48:18,064 So tell the folks about whether they should come here or not. 795 00:48:18,064 --> 00:48:20,358 No, don't go. Don't come here. Don't sign up. 796 00:48:20,358 --> 00:48:23,278 Yeah, sign up. It's fun. Come on down. Good times for everybody. 797 00:48:23,278 --> 00:48:25,238 - No, it's not. - Yes, it is! 798 00:48:36,916 --> 00:48:40,045 You know, what I really enjoy is making my little movies. 799 00:48:42,130 --> 00:48:44,591 So, in a way, I'm a little filmmaker as well. 800 00:48:55,643 --> 00:49:00,774 He works on those videos, it seems like 24/7. 801 00:49:00,774 --> 00:49:04,819 And so, I constantly hear screaming all night long. 802 00:49:07,238 --> 00:49:10,241 People tell me this is fake. Is this fake right now? 803 00:49:10,241 --> 00:49:13,536 - No, sir, it's not fake. 804 00:49:13,536 --> 00:49:16,414 If you ever question if we're real or not, 805 00:49:16,414 --> 00:49:18,833 just watch the movies 806 00:49:18,833 --> 00:49:20,960 and watch how these people end up. 807 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,254 I quit! I quit! I quit! I quit! 808 00:49:24,381 --> 00:49:28,009 You'll see individuals literally in shock. 809 00:49:28,009 --> 00:49:30,595 I can't do it, I can't do it, I can't do it. 810 00:49:30,595 --> 00:49:32,931 You'll see them mumbling to themselves, 811 00:49:32,931 --> 00:49:36,226 not knowing what date it is, not knowing who the president is. 812 00:49:36,226 --> 00:49:39,062 Who's our first president? Quick, hurry up. 813 00:49:39,062 --> 00:49:41,356 - I don't know! 814 00:49:42,482 --> 00:49:46,027 That camera. When that camera's in front, your limits are gone. 815 00:49:46,027 --> 00:49:48,238 - Put your head down. - Anything that you sign, 816 00:49:48,238 --> 00:49:50,073 thinkin' that you were getting into 817 00:49:50,073 --> 00:49:52,909 and those were the rules that were set in place, 818 00:49:52,909 --> 00:49:56,955 they don't exist. He wants that Kodak moment. 819 00:49:56,955 --> 00:50:01,251 He wants to be able to see that true fear, when that person thinks, 820 00:50:01,251 --> 00:50:04,170 "I'm gonna be the first person to die at McKamey Manor." 821 00:50:12,220 --> 00:50:13,847 So, 822 00:50:13,847 --> 00:50:15,515 it was a person, 823 00:50:15,515 --> 00:50:18,601 they sent me photos I hadn't seen. 824 00:50:19,894 --> 00:50:22,772 And it was the photos of Lori. 825 00:50:26,943 --> 00:50:30,905 I'm seein' this girl that was just beaten, like a gang initiation. 826 00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:36,661 And that's when I said, "Why did you let that go?" 827 00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:39,330 And the answer I got was, 828 00:50:39,330 --> 00:50:42,375 "You'd be surprised what you would do to get the right shot." 829 00:50:44,294 --> 00:50:47,964 When I saw these pictures of Lori, I-I couldn't do it anymore. 830 00:51:00,101 --> 00:51:02,312 - No? - I hate it. 831 00:51:03,146 --> 00:51:04,981 You hate it? Well, 832 00:51:04,981 --> 00:51:07,400 - hold still, my dear. - No! 833 00:51:11,321 --> 00:51:13,823 Oh... God. 834 00:51:13,823 --> 00:51:16,701 - And just for safe-- 835 00:51:16,701 --> 00:51:19,204 Don't cry, you're still beautiful. 836 00:51:21,331 --> 00:51:24,125 Gosh. I had no idea what I was getting myself into. 837 00:51:27,045 --> 00:51:29,255 I don't know how he's able to legally do this 838 00:51:29,255 --> 00:51:31,257 because I don't feel like it's legal. 839 00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:38,723 Yeah, absolutely. I-- Whenever he's physically abusing 840 00:51:38,723 --> 00:51:41,017 the females who he entraps in his house. 841 00:51:41,017 --> 00:51:42,560 How far can we take it? 842 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,562 I don't think I could legally sue him. 843 00:51:44,562 --> 00:51:47,107 We signed agreements. We're consenting adults. 844 00:51:54,906 --> 00:51:57,158 I don't think there was ever a time where I was like, I don't-- 845 00:51:57,158 --> 00:51:59,285 Maybe the spider. But, 846 00:51:59,285 --> 00:52:01,746 I don't think I made it clear with anything else 847 00:52:01,746 --> 00:52:03,581 that I was, like, not consenting. 848 00:52:03,581 --> 00:52:05,709 I didn't really feel like I could say that, though, 849 00:52:05,709 --> 00:52:07,127 'cause I signed the waiver. 850 00:52:07,127 --> 00:52:10,714 So I think signing the waiver, I just felt like, I was obligated to stay in it. 851 00:52:12,966 --> 00:52:15,427 We all agreed to it. 852 00:52:29,524 --> 00:52:31,651 There may be an element of shame 853 00:52:31,651 --> 00:52:35,030 in the fact that you signed up for this experience, um, 854 00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:37,824 and this sense that you kind of brought it on yourself. 855 00:52:37,824 --> 00:52:41,536 But, under the law, even if they have signed a waiver, 856 00:52:42,704 --> 00:52:46,207 they may still have recourse for what was done to them. 857 00:52:49,252 --> 00:52:51,296 We tend to be pretty liberal in the United States 858 00:52:51,296 --> 00:52:53,006 about what you can consent to. 859 00:52:55,300 --> 00:52:57,969 It is certainly possible when you attend, for example, 860 00:52:57,969 --> 00:53:01,348 a haunted house, to consent to certain acts 861 00:53:01,348 --> 00:53:05,268 that may cause fear or that may even touch you 862 00:53:05,268 --> 00:53:09,272 in what would otherwise be considered offensive contact or battery. 863 00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:16,654 But, the line is drawn when something constitutes 864 00:53:16,654 --> 00:53:18,156 serious bodily injury. 865 00:53:18,156 --> 00:53:20,617 Examples of that would be 866 00:53:20,617 --> 00:53:22,452 traumatic brain injuries, 867 00:53:22,452 --> 00:53:24,037 fractures, 868 00:53:24,037 --> 00:53:25,455 back injuries, 869 00:53:25,455 --> 00:53:29,125 and psychological injuries that require prolonged treatment. 870 00:53:29,125 --> 00:53:34,297 So, it is simply not possible for someone to say, 871 00:53:34,297 --> 00:53:38,843 "Yes, I am okay with permanent physical or psychological damage. 872 00:53:40,011 --> 00:53:42,097 Even if they say that, 873 00:53:42,097 --> 00:53:45,183 under the law, that cannot be valid. 874 00:53:45,809 --> 00:53:49,646 But, the other aspect of it is that it's a violation of your consent. 875 00:53:49,646 --> 00:53:52,232 If, for example, your mouth is covered, 876 00:53:52,232 --> 00:53:53,942 so you cannot say the safe word, 877 00:53:53,942 --> 00:53:56,778 or the circumstances in that situation 878 00:53:56,778 --> 00:54:00,198 are such that you really couldn't reasonably be expected 879 00:54:00,198 --> 00:54:02,742 to remember or be able to say a safe word, 880 00:54:02,742 --> 00:54:07,247 but are acting in other ways that make it very clear that you've withdrawn consent. 881 00:54:07,247 --> 00:54:10,166 Please, sir, I don't wanna do this anymore, sir! 882 00:54:10,166 --> 00:54:12,877 Then, I think the proprietor may have a real problem. 883 00:54:25,724 --> 00:54:28,435 I would love to see the manor just go away. 884 00:54:28,977 --> 00:54:31,980 I would love to sit down with everybody that's done it 885 00:54:31,980 --> 00:54:34,858 and just kind of band together and figure out how we can make change 886 00:54:34,858 --> 00:54:36,401 and, like, stop him. 887 00:54:36,401 --> 00:54:39,154 And even if jail isn't where he ends up, that's fine. 888 00:54:39,154 --> 00:54:41,406 Like, he just shouldn't be doing what he's doing. 889 00:54:42,657 --> 00:54:46,411 Once the fans are able to see Russ in his true form, 890 00:54:47,996 --> 00:54:49,622 I'm hoping the following's gone. 891 00:54:49,622 --> 00:54:52,250 And when the following's gone, the manor's gone. 892 00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:55,337 - The way that you stop him 893 00:54:56,129 --> 00:55:00,050 is to make sure the truth is actually known. 894 00:55:06,514 --> 00:55:08,183 I wanted to do something. 895 00:55:08,183 --> 00:55:09,976 But I didn't know what kind of trouble 896 00:55:09,976 --> 00:55:12,937 I was gonna get into from getting into somebody's emails. 897 00:55:18,151 --> 00:55:19,527 Definitely. 898 00:55:24,449 --> 00:55:26,242 It's gonna be worth it in the end. 899 00:55:30,246 --> 00:55:32,916 One day, I was bored. I was looking up on the internet, 900 00:55:32,916 --> 00:55:36,252 "Haunted houses that pay you for going through them." 901 00:55:36,252 --> 00:55:39,047 And I seen this haunted house will give you $20,000 902 00:55:39,047 --> 00:55:41,007 if you make it through it. 903 00:55:41,007 --> 00:55:43,134 I just got married, I had an apartment, 904 00:55:43,134 --> 00:55:46,012 and, um, I was like, "Man, $20,000 is a lot of money." 905 00:55:46,012 --> 00:55:48,264 So, I could use that, and there's no way 906 00:55:48,264 --> 00:55:50,016 I was not gonna get that $20,000. 907 00:55:50,016 --> 00:55:52,310 - His hands are shaking. - Oh, I know. 908 00:55:52,310 --> 00:55:53,603 - He is shaking, isn't he? - Oh, yeah. 909 00:55:53,603 --> 00:55:56,690 - Pop 'em one, Russ. 910 00:55:57,607 --> 00:56:00,110 Come on. Follow my voice, let's go. 911 00:56:04,072 --> 00:56:07,200 - I'm suggesting you quit. - Never. 912 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:11,037 - Never. Never? He says never! - I was arguing with him back. 913 00:56:11,037 --> 00:56:13,832 Like, I wasn't bein' passive. I wasn't bein' submissive to him. 914 00:56:13,832 --> 00:56:15,500 And I think that's what really got him mad. 915 00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:18,336 - Sleep first, then you can do it. - For the easiest-- 916 00:56:18,336 --> 00:56:20,463 I don't fall for that crap. Just sleep. 917 00:56:20,463 --> 00:56:24,134 - Okay, y-you need to be quiet. - No, I don't, dude. What a joke-- 918 00:56:24,134 --> 00:56:26,386 - You want a joke, huh? 919 00:56:26,386 --> 00:56:29,014 - You know what? You're done. - Don't even do it, dude. No. 920 00:56:29,014 --> 00:56:31,016 - Get the hell off me. - Keep that camera on. 921 00:56:31,016 --> 00:56:34,978 This is what we're seeing right now. You're out of it right now. You're done. 922 00:56:34,978 --> 00:56:37,230 I thought there was gonna be $20,000. 923 00:56:37,230 --> 00:56:40,233 I thought there was gonna be a haunt. I wasted all my money 924 00:56:40,233 --> 00:56:42,902 and my work days and all that going there, just to get humiliated. 925 00:56:42,902 --> 00:56:45,030 What a freak show that was, right? 926 00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:46,906 At that point I wasn't even mad about the money anymore, 927 00:56:46,906 --> 00:56:47,991 it was just the embarrassment. 928 00:56:52,746 --> 00:56:56,041 So, I started a Facebook page called, "McKamey Manor Exposed." 929 00:56:59,085 --> 00:57:01,713 I wanted it to be a place where people could actually come, 930 00:57:01,713 --> 00:57:04,966 say what they need to say without having to worry about threats. 931 00:57:10,221 --> 00:57:13,975 The biggest thing we found, though, was we actually got into Russ's emails. 932 00:57:16,061 --> 00:57:19,647 Russ has a very old email service, and that's where he messed up. 933 00:57:20,273 --> 00:57:23,193 The company that Russ has for the email has a phone number. 934 00:57:23,193 --> 00:57:26,196 So, I called them, and I was like, "Hey, yeah, I my password." 935 00:57:26,946 --> 00:57:30,241 So, they says, "Okay, what's your name?" "Russ McKamey." 936 00:57:30,241 --> 00:57:32,952 He's like, "Okay, when's the last time you were on your email?" 937 00:57:32,952 --> 00:57:34,746 And I was like, you know, I'm gonna make a good guess. 938 00:57:34,746 --> 00:57:35,955 I'll say, "Oh it was yesterday." 939 00:57:35,955 --> 00:57:37,582 She's like, "Oh, alright. Yeah, that was correct." 940 00:57:37,582 --> 00:57:39,876 I changed the password for my email address, 941 00:57:39,876 --> 00:57:42,712 and then I locked him out. We hit the jackpot. 942 00:57:48,510 --> 00:57:52,263 From his email, we found that he wasn't paying his taxes on his barn. 943 00:57:53,807 --> 00:57:56,393 And Russ wrote this email back to the tax guy saying, 944 00:57:56,393 --> 00:57:59,062 "This manor is fake. Everything I'm saying is fake." 945 00:57:59,062 --> 00:58:02,774 "Russ, I talked to my lawyer today." I got Russ here with his tax problems. 946 00:58:02,774 --> 00:58:06,361 This is from Russ's son: "You absolutely disgust me." 947 00:58:09,572 --> 00:58:13,451 This guy's really obsessed and, like, really going after his girlfriend. 948 00:58:13,451 --> 00:58:16,037 "What you did was absolutely unacceptable." 949 00:58:16,037 --> 00:58:19,082 So I took those emails, I took screenshots, and I showed those. 950 00:58:19,082 --> 00:58:21,459 Here's the proof right here. This is, like, something 951 00:58:21,459 --> 00:58:25,338 you're never gonna see anywhere else. I put everything on my Facebook page, 952 00:58:25,338 --> 00:58:27,549 And I was like, "You guys gotta tell your stories." 953 00:58:31,344 --> 00:58:33,013 All these other groups popped up. 954 00:58:35,098 --> 00:58:37,767 People started posting stuff online 955 00:58:37,767 --> 00:58:40,228 that Russ definitely didn't want anybody to see. 956 00:58:40,687 --> 00:58:44,524 Guys, he will stuff you in a freezer full of water upside down until you tap. 957 00:58:44,524 --> 00:58:48,278 He got his claws so onto my brain. 958 00:58:48,737 --> 00:58:51,823 Once I got away from it, I was like, I'm just gonna expose him. 959 00:58:51,823 --> 00:58:54,284 This is where he's reading over the waiver. 960 00:58:55,702 --> 00:58:58,079 So, I posted the reaction videos on YouTube. 961 00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:00,498 I was very surprised at how many people saw it. 962 00:59:00,498 --> 00:59:05,045 I was in water, and I had, like, this much air to breathe. 963 00:59:05,045 --> 00:59:08,340 Fast forward to now, it's, like, two-point-something million views. 964 00:59:08,340 --> 00:59:12,552 There's so much drama in these online communities, right? 965 00:59:12,552 --> 00:59:15,889 It's the McKamey Manor Facebook group people 966 00:59:15,889 --> 00:59:16,973 fighting these people, 967 00:59:16,973 --> 00:59:18,850 and then those people are fighting against these people. 968 00:59:22,437 --> 00:59:24,564 If you go on his Facebook page, 969 00:59:24,564 --> 00:59:26,274 it's a straight-up cult. 970 00:59:26,274 --> 00:59:28,610 They are obsessed with him. Like, they don't care. 971 00:59:28,610 --> 00:59:32,155 Russ could say the sky is green, and they'll say, "Yes, sir, it is green." 972 00:59:33,406 --> 00:59:35,909 They will go after the people 973 00:59:35,909 --> 00:59:38,328 who they perceive as one of their enemies 974 00:59:38,328 --> 00:59:41,122 or one of their haters with everything that they have. 975 00:59:43,541 --> 00:59:45,710 He would send people to the haters. 976 00:59:45,710 --> 00:59:49,172 He called everyone a hater that didn't agree with what he was doing, 977 00:59:49,172 --> 00:59:52,967 and he basically encouraged them to, like, bully, destroy someone on the internet. 978 00:59:53,885 --> 00:59:57,055 I just got jumped on by all these people from Russ or whatever, 979 00:59:57,055 --> 00:59:58,890 and they just tore me apart. 980 00:59:59,391 --> 01:00:02,352 One guy text me a picture of where I work at. 981 01:00:02,352 --> 01:00:04,312 "You're gonna get a call from us," and, 982 01:00:04,312 --> 01:00:06,898 you know, "See your online activities of what you're doin'." 983 01:00:06,898 --> 01:00:09,275 It's not Russ doin' this. It's his followers. 984 01:00:09,275 --> 01:00:12,946 People started showing personal pictures of me on the internet. 985 01:00:12,946 --> 01:00:16,616 Then went to phone numbers, then went to addresses. 986 01:00:16,616 --> 01:00:20,537 I would get anonymous emails that were saying some godawful things. 987 01:00:20,537 --> 01:00:23,456 Those are all hate groups. Those aren't the real deal. 988 01:00:26,501 --> 01:00:29,963 He was very much like cult leader man. 989 01:00:29,963 --> 01:00:32,841 Like, "Listen to what I'm saying. This is what's good for you. 990 01:00:32,841 --> 01:00:35,093 "This is what a haunted house experience is. 991 01:00:35,093 --> 01:00:37,429 "If anyone tells you otherwise, they're wrong. 992 01:00:37,429 --> 01:00:39,139 "And if you believe that, you're stupid. 993 01:00:39,431 --> 01:00:41,516 "If you're not with me, you're against me. 994 01:00:41,516 --> 01:00:43,435 And I will make your life a living hell." 995 01:00:45,562 --> 01:00:49,232 I started asking questions, and that's what Russ does not want. 996 01:00:49,232 --> 01:00:51,693 That dude is a psychopath! 997 01:00:51,693 --> 01:00:56,072 - I don't even know why you would do it. 998 01:00:56,072 --> 01:00:58,825 There's a whole big group of people, 999 01:00:58,825 --> 01:01:01,036 and all they're trying to do is expose him. 1000 01:01:01,703 --> 01:01:05,081 Russ McKamey and the actors have done some things 1001 01:01:05,081 --> 01:01:07,083 that we need-- they need to answer for. 1002 01:01:07,083 --> 01:01:10,378 Reason he's not in jail is because technically no one has been un-alived yet. 1003 01:01:10,378 --> 01:01:13,673 Russ actually owes hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes. 1004 01:01:13,673 --> 01:01:18,887 Some neighbors actually even called 911, thinking that there had been an abduction. 1005 01:01:19,137 --> 01:01:21,556 The town turned against McKamey Manor. 1006 01:01:21,556 --> 01:01:24,601 There's already a national movement against Russ. 1007 01:01:24,601 --> 01:01:28,104 We need to keep fighting the good fight and, uh, doin' what we're doin'. 1008 01:01:29,230 --> 01:01:30,607 More than 13,000... 1009 01:01:30,607 --> 01:01:33,026 - 18,000... - 56,000 people. 1010 01:01:33,026 --> 01:01:36,988 ...signing a Change.org petition to have McKamey Manor closed. 1011 01:01:38,990 --> 01:01:40,700 The petitions were comin'. 1012 01:01:40,700 --> 01:01:42,994 Continuing to get more signatures. 1013 01:01:45,955 --> 01:01:48,750 Now, you got the media's attention. 1014 01:01:49,209 --> 01:01:52,045 You are getting reporters wanting to show up on site. 1015 01:01:52,045 --> 01:01:55,340 When you're running this big charade 1016 01:01:55,340 --> 01:01:57,801 of a haunt that's supposedly there, 1017 01:01:58,677 --> 01:02:00,637 how do you not show them that stuff? 1018 01:02:01,388 --> 01:02:04,766 So, Russ ran with the petitions to shut down 1019 01:02:05,183 --> 01:02:08,728 and said, "Oh, they got the best of us. The Manor's down." 1020 01:02:15,485 --> 01:02:17,737 Right now, we're dismantling the manor. 1021 01:02:19,989 --> 01:02:21,908 He literally packed up very quickly 1022 01:02:21,908 --> 01:02:24,411 and booked it across the country somewhere else. 1023 01:02:31,292 --> 01:02:34,004 Russ is working. He works at Walmart. 1024 01:02:36,089 --> 01:02:38,091 I think he was just doing it 1025 01:02:38,091 --> 01:02:40,051 because there was a lull 1026 01:02:40,051 --> 01:02:42,595 at getting people to the manor. 1027 01:02:42,595 --> 01:02:47,434 Russ, the guy that had McKamey Manor, has moved to around here 1028 01:02:47,434 --> 01:02:50,020 where I live the last couple years. 1029 01:02:50,020 --> 01:02:52,605 Well, I just found out on Facebook that apparently, 1030 01:02:52,605 --> 01:02:54,941 he works at Walmart in the Garden Center. 1031 01:02:54,941 --> 01:02:58,319 Wait, you stay. If I need you, holler for back up. 1032 01:02:58,319 --> 01:03:01,364 This is where this man has decided to relocate. 1033 01:03:01,781 --> 01:03:03,491 - How are you? - Hey, how you doing? 1034 01:03:03,491 --> 01:03:04,784 Want a bag, miss? 1035 01:03:09,414 --> 01:03:11,750 Y'all, that was fucking him, 1036 01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:14,294 and it just checked me out. I'm shaking. 1037 01:03:14,294 --> 01:03:16,379 I didn't-- I thought I was gonna be all confrontational, 1038 01:03:16,379 --> 01:03:18,298 and I thought I was gonna, like, say this, 1039 01:03:18,298 --> 01:03:19,841 but it's like when you're in the fucking-- 1040 01:03:19,841 --> 01:03:22,719 When you're actually in the presence of a sociopath, 1041 01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:25,055 and you know it, 1042 01:03:25,055 --> 01:03:27,182 bro, you lose all that confidence. 1043 01:03:27,182 --> 01:03:31,603 Oh, my God, I'm literally shaking. 1044 01:03:37,525 --> 01:03:40,528 There's three types of Russ that you should know. 1045 01:03:41,279 --> 01:03:44,949 There is the fun-loving Russ that the followers love. 1046 01:03:44,949 --> 01:03:47,285 - That's a front. - Help. 1047 01:03:47,285 --> 01:03:49,954 You have the scary Russ who's going through the show 1048 01:03:49,954 --> 01:03:51,748 you're dealing with. That's a front. 1049 01:03:51,915 --> 01:03:54,584 And then, you have the real Russ. 1050 01:03:56,002 --> 01:03:59,881 He has so much wrong going on in his head, 1051 01:03:59,881 --> 01:04:03,051 and-and it comes out in the haunt. 1052 01:04:06,930 --> 01:04:09,849 You know, it's no joke in here. I mean, people think that, 1053 01:04:09,849 --> 01:04:11,643 well, you know, it's a home haunt. 1054 01:04:11,643 --> 01:04:14,229 But, I'm telling ya. It's scary. 1055 01:04:15,355 --> 01:04:17,357 Russ needs to get help, 1056 01:04:18,942 --> 01:04:21,069 or he's gonna keep going till it's too far. 1057 01:04:32,330 --> 01:04:33,832 I'm back. 1058 01:04:35,041 --> 01:04:37,669 I'm back, I'm back, I'm back 1059 01:04:37,669 --> 01:04:41,339 Anybody there? Anybody there? 1060 01:04:46,553 --> 01:04:49,431 - You better start begging right now! - I'm begging right now. 1061 01:04:49,431 --> 01:04:51,266 I don't-- I don't wanna go anymore. I'm done. 1062 01:04:52,225 --> 01:04:55,020 Russ is not quitting. He kept it going. 1063 01:04:55,562 --> 01:04:59,399 Now, there aren't actors. You are just with Russ going through. 1064 01:04:59,399 --> 01:05:03,987 You are getting a very dangerous experience. 1065 01:05:03,987 --> 01:05:08,033 His tours now, at this point, he's just doing it to hurt people 1066 01:05:08,033 --> 01:05:09,701 and to prove a point to us, 1067 01:05:09,701 --> 01:05:12,037 to everyone else that, like, talked out on him. 1068 01:05:12,037 --> 01:05:15,331 Like a, "I'm gonna get back at you and show you that I can still do this, 1069 01:05:15,331 --> 01:05:17,292 people still wanna be tortured by me." 1070 01:05:17,292 --> 01:05:20,295 - Are you done? 1071 01:05:20,295 --> 01:05:22,255 Back in the day, he had a haunted house 1072 01:05:22,255 --> 01:05:24,174 and now what it is, is definitely not a haunt. 1073 01:05:25,717 --> 01:05:29,095 It's pretty much, you know, Russ in his yard messin' with you. 1074 01:05:31,681 --> 01:05:33,767 You know, you're with a guy by himself. 1075 01:05:33,767 --> 01:05:36,311 Everything he does is justified in his head. 1076 01:05:36,311 --> 01:05:38,521 There is no limits. 1077 01:05:38,521 --> 01:05:39,814 No, no! 1078 01:05:48,406 --> 01:05:50,658 I live in such a small town. 1079 01:05:50,658 --> 01:05:52,786 And I'm basically a nobody. 1080 01:05:52,786 --> 01:05:55,246 And, you know, that's how I felt about myself. 1081 01:05:56,623 --> 01:06:00,085 During my first tour, you know, you had all these signs, 1082 01:06:00,877 --> 01:06:03,880 but, at the time, I didn't wanna deal with that. 1083 01:06:04,923 --> 01:06:07,550 I'd just seen a nice person 1084 01:06:07,550 --> 01:06:11,471 that was giving me everything I needed at the time. 1085 01:06:11,471 --> 01:06:13,139 I just felt like I got 1086 01:06:13,139 --> 01:06:16,059 really taken easy on, looking back. 1087 01:06:16,059 --> 01:06:18,937 I was nobody before any of this, 1088 01:06:18,937 --> 01:06:21,189 and I'd wake up with a million messages 1089 01:06:21,189 --> 01:06:23,233 from all these people who supported me. 1090 01:06:23,233 --> 01:06:26,695 Like, me. The nobody that was once before, 1091 01:06:26,695 --> 01:06:30,115 now has a million people hyping her up 1092 01:06:30,115 --> 01:06:32,701 and just being friendly. 1093 01:06:32,701 --> 01:06:35,286 And it was just life changing, 1094 01:06:35,286 --> 01:06:37,205 and I didn't want it to end. 1095 01:06:37,789 --> 01:06:41,334 I wasn't anticipating coming back, 1096 01:06:41,334 --> 01:06:43,586 but he was up on my phone, 1097 01:06:43,586 --> 01:06:45,547 texting or calling or video chatting. 1098 01:06:45,547 --> 01:06:47,757 Like, I didn't even have time to even think about 1099 01:06:47,757 --> 01:06:49,926 what had happened and what I went through. 1100 01:06:51,302 --> 01:06:54,431 I remember when Melissa Everly was going through it. 1101 01:06:54,431 --> 01:06:56,808 She is Russ' type. 1102 01:06:58,685 --> 01:07:01,688 I met Melissa, reaching out and trying 1103 01:07:01,688 --> 01:07:03,815 to talk her out of going to McKamey Manor, 1104 01:07:03,815 --> 01:07:06,234 and she was drinkin' the Kool-Aid. 1105 01:07:06,234 --> 01:07:09,320 She was buying in and listenin' to Russ. 1106 01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,073 Russ was the good guy. All of us were just crazies. 1107 01:07:12,073 --> 01:07:15,744 And the first conversation we had, it wasn't a great one. 1108 01:07:15,744 --> 01:07:19,748 She thought I was some loon that was some hater trying to talk her out of it. 1109 01:07:21,207 --> 01:07:24,336 Russ was dangling everything over my head. 1110 01:07:24,336 --> 01:07:26,171 "Look, you're the Abyss Queen." 1111 01:07:26,171 --> 01:07:29,132 He gave me a nickname and rolled with it 1112 01:07:29,132 --> 01:07:31,176 and had everybody calling me that. 1113 01:07:31,176 --> 01:07:33,386 And that's how people knew me. He was like, 1114 01:07:33,386 --> 01:07:35,972 "Oh, well, think of your fans." 1115 01:07:35,972 --> 01:07:38,892 I wanted to beat the thing and be the first to complete it. 1116 01:07:39,684 --> 01:07:40,894 He knew that. 1117 01:07:42,062 --> 01:07:44,481 One day, he messaged me and was like, 1118 01:07:44,481 --> 01:07:46,858 "Hey, can you make it for a tour tomorrow?" 1119 01:07:52,864 --> 01:07:56,242 I drive down for the second tour. 1120 01:07:57,911 --> 01:08:01,706 Russ ends up coming over to the hotel room. 1121 01:08:02,290 --> 01:08:04,542 And I knew from the YouTube videos, 1122 01:08:04,542 --> 01:08:07,754 this isn't the first time he's been in somebody's hotel room. 1123 01:08:07,754 --> 01:08:10,840 And so, in my mind, it's harmless. 1124 01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:14,678 He was coming over to instruct me on what to do for the evening. 1125 01:08:14,678 --> 01:08:18,723 And he gives me a list of things that I have to do. 1126 01:08:18,723 --> 01:08:21,393 Lunges, singing, pushups, sit-ups. 1127 01:08:22,936 --> 01:08:25,772 The conversation ended up taking a turn 1128 01:08:25,772 --> 01:08:27,691 kind of for the worst. 1129 01:08:27,691 --> 01:08:30,276 He started going into 1130 01:08:30,276 --> 01:08:33,822 his sexual history with past contestants, 1131 01:08:33,822 --> 01:08:36,199 talking about how he liked 1132 01:08:36,199 --> 01:08:38,785 a very competitive, athletic girl, 1133 01:08:38,785 --> 01:08:42,706 but he wants a woman that's gonna submit to him when it comes to 1134 01:08:43,623 --> 01:08:46,459 being aggressive during sex. 1135 01:08:47,252 --> 01:08:50,005 In that moment, I was feeling very nervous. 1136 01:08:51,089 --> 01:08:54,551 Like, I'm just there. I'm barely participating in conversation, 1137 01:08:54,551 --> 01:08:56,636 because I don't really know what to say. 1138 01:08:56,636 --> 01:08:59,389 I don't wanna give any leading responses 1139 01:08:59,389 --> 01:09:01,766 because I just wanted to go through the manor. 1140 01:09:01,766 --> 01:09:05,812 I was tired. I was exhausted. I was willing to listen to him, 1141 01:09:05,812 --> 01:09:08,940 but I-I was also scared that 1142 01:09:08,940 --> 01:09:10,525 if I'm propositioned, 1143 01:09:10,525 --> 01:09:13,778 I'm not gonna be able to have this experience if I decline. 1144 01:09:14,404 --> 01:09:16,364 And I was scared to what happens next. 1145 01:09:16,364 --> 01:09:19,325 Wh-Whatever I do, and all of this is ripped from me, 1146 01:09:19,325 --> 01:09:22,537 you know, what kind of monster is he gonna make me out to be? 1147 01:09:22,537 --> 01:09:24,122 If this is perfectly fine, 1148 01:09:24,122 --> 01:09:26,708 and he's done it with all these other contestants, 1149 01:09:26,708 --> 01:09:29,252 is everybody gonna make me a laughingstock? 1150 01:09:29,252 --> 01:09:31,713 You know, what's gonna happen? 1151 01:09:32,422 --> 01:09:34,507 So, he ends up leaving the room, 1152 01:09:34,507 --> 01:09:36,885 and I stay up doing these lives. 1153 01:09:36,885 --> 01:09:39,888 By the time my tour starts, um, it's-- 1154 01:09:39,888 --> 01:09:42,891 I'll be up for 26 hours. 1155 01:09:42,891 --> 01:09:44,642 Happy Sunday. 1156 01:09:46,144 --> 01:09:49,981 That's right. Happy Sunday, Michelle. Happy Sunday. 1157 01:09:53,568 --> 01:09:55,570 Gotta keep my eyes on the road, so... 1158 01:09:57,989 --> 01:09:59,866 I do have someone I want you to see. 1159 01:10:02,452 --> 01:10:05,080 My brain was like mashed potatoes 1160 01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,165 when he came and picked me up, 1161 01:10:07,165 --> 01:10:09,626 and we headed out 1162 01:10:09,626 --> 01:10:11,961 to go for my next tour. 1163 01:10:11,961 --> 01:10:14,089 It's just me and Russ on this tour. 1164 01:10:14,089 --> 01:10:16,174 Go ahead and talk to 'em. 1165 01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,012 - Alright, everyone. - She's not near as bubbly 1166 01:10:21,012 --> 01:10:22,347 as she normally is. 1167 01:10:22,347 --> 01:10:23,515 - I'm tired. - Tired. 1168 01:10:25,475 --> 01:10:27,060 He had no helpers. 1169 01:10:33,692 --> 01:10:36,069 We have our, our young lady here. 1170 01:10:37,278 --> 01:10:39,989 Ms. Everly is doing awesome. 1171 01:10:41,116 --> 01:10:43,118 Killing it today. Killing it. 1172 01:10:46,079 --> 01:10:47,997 Why don't you come on out? 1173 01:10:52,460 --> 01:10:54,921 Okay, that's good right there. Stay where you are. 1174 01:10:54,921 --> 01:10:56,673 Through the bamboo run 1175 01:10:56,673 --> 01:10:59,634 is when he started, like, whispering in my ear 1176 01:10:59,634 --> 01:11:02,178 and, like, complimenting my neck, 1177 01:11:02,178 --> 01:11:05,765 and kind of grabbing my neck and being sexual. 1178 01:11:05,765 --> 01:11:08,560 You know what you need? You need a little color. 1179 01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:09,978 Would you like a little color? 1180 01:11:12,063 --> 01:11:13,648 Tilt your head back. 1181 01:11:15,650 --> 01:11:18,862 But, in that moment, I'm like, "Oh, this is part of the tour. 1182 01:11:18,862 --> 01:11:20,947 You know, this is part of what he does." 1183 01:11:22,907 --> 01:11:24,451 I was dead to the world. 1184 01:11:24,451 --> 01:11:27,746 By the end of it, I was over 30 hours no sleep. 1185 01:11:27,746 --> 01:11:29,748 I was beyond sleep deprived. 1186 01:11:29,748 --> 01:11:32,792 You feel like a noodle, don't ya? How's your brain? 1187 01:11:32,792 --> 01:11:35,003 Seriously, how's your brain feel right now? 1188 01:11:35,003 --> 01:11:38,006 All kinds of messed up 1189 01:11:38,006 --> 01:11:39,632 in every direction possible. 1190 01:11:39,632 --> 01:11:41,718 This is gonna suck. 1191 01:11:51,186 --> 01:11:54,064 I remember at that point, I had fell asleep, 1192 01:11:54,064 --> 01:11:57,901 and he told me it was fine, "Go to sleep." He'd covered me up with towels. 1193 01:12:00,528 --> 01:12:02,530 Come on, everybody. Come on in. 1194 01:12:04,783 --> 01:12:06,368 Talkin' quiet because 1195 01:12:07,535 --> 01:12:10,830 tryin' to get Ms. Everly to go to sleep. 1196 01:12:11,289 --> 01:12:13,208 Well, 1197 01:12:13,208 --> 01:12:15,251 sometime after the tour, 1198 01:12:15,251 --> 01:12:17,712 and I-I'm gonna fast forward for a moment 1199 01:12:17,712 --> 01:12:21,633 because I asked him how the footage went. 1200 01:12:22,384 --> 01:12:24,761 And he was like, "Well, there was this one time 1201 01:12:24,761 --> 01:12:27,389 that I didn't get the footage I really wish I had." 1202 01:12:37,190 --> 01:12:39,693 What happened? What did he do when I was asleep? 1203 01:12:39,693 --> 01:12:41,236 Because he never answered me. 1204 01:12:41,236 --> 01:12:43,947 And I think I deserve the right to know. 1205 01:12:43,947 --> 01:12:46,825 Like, what did he mean? What footage did he miss? 1206 01:12:49,494 --> 01:12:53,248 That's always going to haunt me. I will question myself that 1207 01:12:54,833 --> 01:12:56,751 to the day I die. 1208 01:12:56,751 --> 01:12:58,461 'Cause I don't want, 1209 01:12:58,461 --> 01:13:01,339 and I never have wanted, to do anything with Russ. 1210 01:13:03,299 --> 01:13:06,678 And it-- just the fact that that may have been a possibility, 1211 01:13:06,678 --> 01:13:08,263 disgusts me. 1212 01:13:08,263 --> 01:13:11,558 He is a cruel, fucking disgusting person. 1213 01:13:16,354 --> 01:13:18,815 Good. Put your head back a little bit. 1214 01:13:19,816 --> 01:13:21,359 Enjoy that sun while you can. 1215 01:13:23,069 --> 01:13:25,572 - You got it right in there good? - Mm-hmm. 1216 01:13:27,532 --> 01:13:31,578 There's always gonna be that doubt. There's always gonna be that doubt. 1217 01:13:35,707 --> 01:13:38,209 We have a tired little puppy here. 1218 01:13:49,471 --> 01:13:52,307 Everything finally adds up. 1219 01:13:52,307 --> 01:13:55,435 It adds up that Russ is just 1220 01:13:55,435 --> 01:13:59,481 a narcissistic, manipulative piece of fuck. 1221 01:14:01,775 --> 01:14:04,778 Don't learn the hard way, like we have. 1222 01:14:14,162 --> 01:14:18,166 I love getting scared. I wanna populate our earth with more art 1223 01:14:18,166 --> 01:14:20,919 and make it horror. You know what? 1224 01:14:20,919 --> 01:14:23,296 Keep doing it, you know? 'Cause eventually, 1225 01:14:23,296 --> 01:14:26,424 this could replace movies for some people, and it does now. 1226 01:14:30,637 --> 01:14:32,639 I wanted to find another haunt 1227 01:14:32,639 --> 01:14:34,974 because I wanted to fill that void. 1228 01:14:34,974 --> 01:14:37,852 I wanted to find something that can help me cope, 1229 01:14:37,852 --> 01:14:40,772 to give me that reminder, "Hey, if you went through this, 1230 01:14:40,772 --> 01:14:42,315 you can go through anything." 1231 01:14:42,315 --> 01:14:46,069 Because the purpose isn't to sexually molest people. 1232 01:14:46,069 --> 01:14:49,197 Th-The purpose is not to do anything untoward to somebody 1233 01:14:49,197 --> 01:14:52,367 or to make them a victim. It's to make you grow. 1234 01:14:52,367 --> 01:14:55,787 That little girl, that itch, is still very much inside of me. 1235 01:14:55,787 --> 01:14:58,456 I've just had to not scratch the itch for a while, 1236 01:14:58,456 --> 01:15:00,125 to recover from the manor. 1237 01:15:09,050 --> 01:15:11,678 I'm telling you. You wanna do somethin' 1238 01:15:11,678 --> 01:15:13,596 taboo and out there? 1239 01:15:14,973 --> 01:15:16,808 There's places that'll help you. 1240 01:15:18,977 --> 01:15:21,312 Tell us what you're about to go do. 1241 01:15:21,312 --> 01:15:24,149 I'm about to go do Miasma. 1242 01:15:24,524 --> 01:15:27,027 - I'm at the fog machine. 1243 01:15:29,195 --> 01:15:31,489 Give it a longer pause between that. 1244 01:15:31,489 --> 01:15:35,535 Diversity is really the norm. People have very diverse genetic makeups, 1245 01:15:35,535 --> 01:15:37,871 people want different things, 1246 01:15:37,871 --> 01:15:40,248 people have different psychological traits. 1247 01:15:40,248 --> 01:15:42,083 So, we need to recognize 1248 01:15:42,083 --> 01:15:45,086 that there are people who need challenges, 1249 01:15:45,086 --> 01:15:47,714 they need risk, they need sensation. 1250 01:15:47,714 --> 01:15:50,717 And we need to make sure that those spaces are available, 1251 01:15:50,717 --> 01:15:54,346 so people can get what they need within the bounds of the law. 1252 01:16:19,496 --> 01:16:21,873 Turn around, turn around. 1253 01:16:22,957 --> 01:16:24,376 Sign when you're ready. 1254 01:16:29,506 --> 01:16:32,384 When this bell rings, you're no longer Melissa. 1255 01:16:32,384 --> 01:16:34,302 You become Jay. Do you understand? 1256 01:16:35,387 --> 01:16:38,056 - Who do you become when this bell rings? - Jay. 1257 01:16:38,056 --> 01:16:40,684 - What is the safety word? - Safety. 1258 01:16:40,684 --> 01:16:44,229 Do you understand you can say this at any time for any reason, 1259 01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:46,481 - your show will stop? - Yes. 1260 01:16:46,481 --> 01:16:49,984 - What happens when this rings? - I'm Jay. 1261 01:16:51,778 --> 01:16:53,738 Fucking run, Jay! Keep going! 1262 01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:59,953 Follow it, follow it! Follow it forward. 1263 01:17:41,369 --> 01:17:44,789 Where's the cliff edge, right? 1264 01:17:44,789 --> 01:17:47,500 - Or have I already gone over it? 1265 01:17:49,127 --> 01:17:53,048 No. No. Stay down. Stay down. Stay down, stay down. 1266 01:17:53,048 --> 01:17:56,134 - Hey. Hey, you okay? 1267 01:17:56,134 --> 01:17:59,054 - You okay? - Yeah. 1268 01:17:59,054 --> 01:18:01,556 - Do you wanna keep going? - Yes. 1269 01:18:01,556 --> 01:18:04,142 Look at these scars. I'm bleeding. 1270 01:18:05,143 --> 01:18:07,437 My heart was beating through my chest. 1271 01:18:09,022 --> 01:18:10,690 It's freakin' awesome. 1272 01:18:10,690 --> 01:18:13,193 What the fuck is wrong with you?! 1273 01:18:14,527 --> 01:18:17,405 - Tell her you fuckin' hate her. 1274 01:18:17,405 --> 01:18:20,658 - I fucking hate you! - Tell her you wish she was dead. 1275 01:18:20,658 --> 01:18:23,328 - I wish you were dead! - Scream it! 1276 01:18:30,460 --> 01:18:33,421 Dead! Dead! Dead! Dead! Dead! 1277 01:18:33,421 --> 01:18:36,466 Dead! Dead! Dead! 1278 01:18:36,466 --> 01:18:40,261 Who are you?! Who the fuck are you?! Who the fuck are you?! 1279 01:18:40,261 --> 01:18:42,222 Answer, answer! Answer! Answer me! 1280 01:18:42,222 --> 01:18:45,558 I already have an anxiety brain that can kind of make up scenarios. 1281 01:18:45,558 --> 01:18:48,687 So, if someone makes up a scenario that's crazier than me, 1282 01:18:48,687 --> 01:18:50,397 - I, like, give them props for it. 1283 01:18:57,821 --> 01:19:01,825 - Jay, Jay, Jay. 1284 01:19:01,825 --> 01:19:03,451 Fuck! 1285 01:19:03,451 --> 01:19:06,329 - Who are you supposed to be? - Jay. 1286 01:19:06,329 --> 01:19:08,456 - Louder. - Jay! 1287 01:19:08,456 --> 01:19:10,250 - Scream it! - Jay! 1288 01:19:10,250 --> 01:19:12,043 - One more time! - Jay! 1289 01:19:12,043 --> 01:19:15,296 - Can't fucking hear you! 1290 01:19:15,296 --> 01:19:18,091 - Who the fuck are you supposed to be?! - Jay! 1291 01:19:28,893 --> 01:19:32,397 - Who do you wanna be? - Me. I wanna be me. 1292 01:19:57,130 --> 01:20:00,008 It's very cathartic, right? In there, it's still-- 1293 01:20:00,008 --> 01:20:02,552 There's a lot of processing that's still goin' on, right? 1294 01:20:02,552 --> 01:20:05,430 - Of course. - Like, I've done this shit before, 1295 01:20:05,430 --> 01:20:07,682 and, you know, you're out of it in 15, 20 minutes 1296 01:20:07,682 --> 01:20:09,225 once you get back to the real world, 1297 01:20:09,225 --> 01:20:11,895 but this is gonna stay with me for a little while, I think. 1298 01:20:11,895 --> 01:20:14,731 Like, I don't know-- I don't know how to-- 1299 01:20:14,731 --> 01:20:17,567 I don't know how to describe the experience. 1300 01:20:19,611 --> 01:20:23,281 There is actually a great emotional release 1301 01:20:23,281 --> 01:20:25,575 after some type of self-harm behavior. 1302 01:20:28,953 --> 01:20:31,623 On one level, it exhausts us. 1303 01:20:31,623 --> 01:20:35,126 Then, it starts to promote this addiction-like dopamine pathway 1304 01:20:35,126 --> 01:20:36,836 that we seek out over and over. 1305 01:20:36,836 --> 01:20:40,090 - Congratulations. - Fuck! Fuck! 1306 01:20:40,090 --> 01:20:42,717 That was one hell of a show. 1307 01:20:42,717 --> 01:20:46,054 - Are you okay? Are you okay? - Thank you so much. 1308 01:20:46,054 --> 01:20:48,556 It meant the world to me. 1309 01:20:50,809 --> 01:20:52,727 That's some great news. 1310 01:20:52,727 --> 01:20:54,854 Thank you so much, Justin. 1311 01:20:54,854 --> 01:20:56,606 That was fucking-- 1312 01:20:56,606 --> 01:20:58,608 Thank you, but I'm glad you're okay. 1313 01:20:58,608 --> 01:21:00,360 I'm glad you got something out of it. 1314 01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:02,320 - Thank you. - You did awesome. 1315 01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:04,948 - It's a rough show, and you did so good. - Yeah. 1316 01:21:04,948 --> 01:21:07,450 - It's not-- - No, no. 1317 01:21:07,450 --> 01:21:10,161 - And you did awesome. - Thank you. 1318 01:21:10,161 --> 01:21:13,123 Um, so right now, you can just take a breath. 1319 01:21:24,342 --> 01:21:28,138 Russ... is damaged himself. 1320 01:21:28,138 --> 01:21:31,683 And he has some inner demons or trauma 1321 01:21:31,683 --> 01:21:35,437 that he needs to get help with, and I hope he does. 1322 01:21:35,437 --> 01:21:38,481 He is a person who aspired to be an entertainer 1323 01:21:38,481 --> 01:21:41,901 and became the torturer, the tormentor. 1324 01:21:41,901 --> 01:21:45,113 I was dragged across asphalt 1325 01:21:45,113 --> 01:21:47,574 in a parking lot... 1326 01:21:47,574 --> 01:21:49,325 after my tour was already over! 1327 01:21:49,325 --> 01:21:52,203 None of you even know what you're talkin' about. 1328 01:21:52,203 --> 01:21:55,540 Russ isn't a torturer, okay? He's a showman. 1329 01:21:55,540 --> 01:21:58,293 People are stupid. That's what you sign up for. 1330 01:21:58,293 --> 01:22:00,879 It's his own little narcissism factory, 1331 01:22:00,879 --> 01:22:04,174 that people just come to, to-to-to-to help him feed on it. 1332 01:22:04,174 --> 01:22:07,719 And they're still very much active groups on Facebook. 1333 01:22:07,719 --> 01:22:09,304 It's just, you're drinking the Kool-Aid. 1334 01:22:09,304 --> 01:22:11,973 You're believing what he says. You're lapping it up. 1335 01:22:11,973 --> 01:22:14,392 Russ, I think you're a good man. 1336 01:22:14,392 --> 01:22:17,854 Just a little misunderstood by some people. 1337 01:22:17,854 --> 01:22:20,231 If people wanna do it, I'm not gonna stop 'em, 1338 01:22:20,231 --> 01:22:22,901 but it's not gonna shock me if someone dies one day, 1339 01:22:22,901 --> 01:22:24,778 and Russ goes to jail because of it. 1340 01:22:24,778 --> 01:22:27,572 - What would you like 1341 01:22:27,572 --> 01:22:31,159 the takeaway to be from your participation in this? 1342 01:22:31,159 --> 01:22:32,744 That 1343 01:22:33,828 --> 01:22:35,205 immersive haunts are okay, 1344 01:22:35,205 --> 01:22:37,207 even if it seems crazy and weird. 1345 01:22:39,501 --> 01:22:42,754 You can have your kinks, and that's perfectly fine. 1346 01:22:42,754 --> 01:22:46,091 But don't invite people into your kinks without them knowing 1347 01:22:46,091 --> 01:22:48,551 that that's exactly what they're going to be in. 1348 01:22:48,551 --> 01:22:51,596 If I knew I was getting into Russ's fantasy world 1349 01:22:51,596 --> 01:22:54,182 and living out whatever fantasies he wanted to see, 1350 01:22:54,182 --> 01:22:57,394 I probably would've felt different about it. But I was supposed to be 1351 01:22:57,394 --> 01:23:00,271 in a survive my own horror experience, 1352 01:23:00,271 --> 01:23:04,317 not survive, like, Russ McKamey's fantasy experience. 1353 01:23:05,151 --> 01:23:08,196 Am I still doing tours? Of course! 1354 01:23:08,196 --> 01:23:11,324 I have a tour this weekend! 1355 01:23:11,324 --> 01:23:13,868 I have a heart murmur I need to get taken care of. 1356 01:23:13,868 --> 01:23:17,914 I have surgery in about a month. If I, if I can get medically cleared, 1357 01:23:17,914 --> 01:23:21,584 um, hopefully, fingers crossed, in six months, I'll be up for a tour. 1358 01:23:21,584 --> 01:23:24,754 My name is Shelby. I'm from Scotland. 1359 01:23:24,754 --> 01:23:26,506 I work in the dental field. 1360 01:23:26,506 --> 01:23:28,800 I'm a professional nurse. 1361 01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:32,053 I hold a very high position in a company. 1362 01:23:32,053 --> 01:23:35,807 I would love to go visit Russ, and I would love to hang out with him. 1363 01:23:35,807 --> 01:23:39,144 I'd love to take a tour at some point when I can get to the South. 1364 01:23:39,144 --> 01:23:42,397 I wanna take the tour because I love the survival horror movie. 1365 01:23:42,397 --> 01:23:45,066 I need to challenge myself a little bit more, 1366 01:23:45,066 --> 01:23:47,444 and this would be the ultimate challenge. 1367 01:23:47,444 --> 01:23:51,072 If I were to be put in that situation, 1368 01:23:51,072 --> 01:23:53,283 I would be able to survive. 1369 01:23:53,283 --> 01:23:56,870 I could get out of that. That would never happen to me. 1370 01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:58,872 McKamey Manor, I'm coming for you. 1371 01:23:58,872 --> 01:24:02,500 Drown me, beat me, torture me. 1372 01:24:02,500 --> 01:24:05,879 I'm here for all of it. And my kids are gonna watch all of it. 1373 01:24:05,879 --> 01:24:09,924 The manor is safe, it's fun, 1374 01:24:09,924 --> 01:24:13,845 and it will take you to your limit. 1375 01:24:35,575 --> 01:24:37,577 No. 1376 01:26:10,503 --> 01:26:15,008 Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum 1377 01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:20,305 Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum 1378 01:26:21,222 --> 01:26:25,727 Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum 1379 01:26:26,519 --> 01:26:30,148 Bum bum bum ba-ah 113596

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