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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,447 --> 00:00:16,085 "It's time for you to be asleep, Billy." 2 00:00:16,149 --> 00:00:17,719 "I'm not a bit sleepy." 3 00:00:17,784 --> 00:00:19,923 "You have to get up early tomorrow, remember?" 4 00:00:19,986 --> 00:00:21,932 "Oh, I don't want to go to bed yet." 5 00:00:21,988 --> 00:00:27,097 "It's bed time and sleep time." 6 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,800 "You'll be asleep before you know it.' 7 00:00:29,863 --> 00:00:31,774 "Goodnight, Billy." 8 00:00:31,831 --> 00:00:35,643 "Billy's mother didn't know the real reason why he didn't want to go to bed." 9 00:03:05,151 --> 00:03:12,296 Even though I've had lots and lots of people tell me, "You've given me nightmares," for years, they always have a smile on their face. 10 00:03:12,358 --> 00:03:16,670 Freddy operates on a lot of levels: as a character, as a symbol, now as a logo. 11 00:03:16,729 --> 00:03:20,541 He's an American original. I can't think of anybody like Freddy. 12 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,546 He's kind of the rock star of boogeymen. 13 00:03:22,602 --> 00:03:25,674 I think Freddy was to dreams what Jaws was to swimmers. 14 00:03:25,738 --> 00:03:30,847 It is so on the surface scary, it is so scary when you think about who he is and where he comes from. 15 00:03:30,910 --> 00:03:34,221 He was this child molester, you know, that the parents came after him and they burned him. 16 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,022 And then he comes back 17 00:03:37,083 --> 00:03:38,494 and kills what they love. 18 00:03:38,551 --> 00:03:42,192 Freddy makes no apologies, Freddy is on a revenge motif. 19 00:03:42,255 --> 00:03:46,635 Freddy Krueger has a plan, Freddy Krueger has a reason. 20 00:03:46,693 --> 00:03:48,730 He is a metaphysical monster. 21 00:03:48,795 --> 00:03:50,741 He moves into our dreams. 22 00:03:50,797 --> 00:03:56,008 He doesn't have any time and space limitation. That's what makes Freddy a little more fun to watch. 23 00:03:56,069 --> 00:03:59,380 The "Nightmare" movies were more complicated and ambitious. 24 00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:03,581 It's different from "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" or "Halloween" or "Friday the 13th." 25 00:04:03,643 --> 00:04:05,884 You never, ever feel like you're 26 00:04:05,945 --> 00:04:07,151 in a slasher movie. 27 00:04:07,213 --> 00:04:10,285 It's more fun, it's more open ended, it's more infinite. 28 00:04:10,350 --> 00:04:15,163 It wasn't superficial. That's one of the things that makes honor films great. 29 00:04:15,221 --> 00:04:16,859 "Nightmare on Elm Street" series, 30 00:04:16,923 --> 00:04:19,995 particularly, speaks to these adolescent fears 31 00:04:20,059 --> 00:04:21,834 of not having control. 32 00:04:21,894 --> 00:04:26,172 You can only trust kids of your own age to even believe in Freddy Krueger. 33 00:04:26,232 --> 00:04:27,905 And all the adults are telling you, 34 00:04:27,967 --> 00:04:30,573 "Get some sleep." "Get to sleep." "Get some rest." 35 00:04:30,637 --> 00:04:32,742 And you know that's the worst possible thing you can do. 36 00:04:32,805 --> 00:04:36,116 You can look at classic movie monsters - 37 00:04:36,175 --> 00:04:37,586 Frankenstein's monster, the Mummy, Dracula -- 38 00:04:37,644 --> 00:04:39,646 and Freddy just fits right in there with them. 39 00:04:39,712 --> 00:04:43,785 "A Nightmare on Elm Street" not only speaks the language of cinema, but it speaks 40 00:04:43,850 --> 00:04:49,562 this universal story of the bad dream, the nightmare and the boogeyman. 41 00:05:02,368 --> 00:05:07,249 In the early 1980s, Wes Craven -- best known for such brutal films as 42 00:05:07,307 --> 00:05:10,288 "Last House On The Left" and "The Hills Have Eyes" 43 00:05:10,343 --> 00:05:15,224 would find the inspiration for his most innovative project in the pages of real life. 44 00:05:15,281 --> 00:05:19,423 The beginning of "Nightmare on Elm Street" really came to me with a series of articles 45 00:05:19,485 --> 00:05:23,695 in the L.A. Times about a young men who were dying in the middle of nightmares. 46 00:05:23,756 --> 00:05:27,465 They were specifically from the Asian Rim and in this particular case 47 00:05:27,527 --> 00:05:30,133 a young man had a severe nightmare and told his parents, 48 00:05:30,196 --> 00:05:32,938 "I can't go back to sleep, I'm gonna die, I just know it." 49 00:05:32,999 --> 00:05:37,573 And the father was a physician and said, "Let me give you some sleeping pills." 50 00:05:37,637 --> 00:05:41,881 The kid didn't sleep the first night, then the second night he didn't sleep again. 51 00:05:41,941 --> 00:05:45,684 And then it became clear that he was trying to stay awake despite everything. 52 00:05:45,745 --> 00:05:50,990 Then finally the kid fell asleep and they took him upstairs and put him to bed thinking, 53 00:05:51,050 --> 00:05:53,291 "Thank God that little crisis is over." 54 00:05:53,353 --> 00:05:57,426 And in the middle of the night they heard screams and ran into the room and he was thrashing 55 00:05:57,490 --> 00:05:58,662 on the bed horribly. 56 00:05:58,725 --> 00:06:02,332 Literally, before they got to him he fell still and he was dead. 57 00:06:02,395 --> 00:06:04,932 In the aftermath, the parents found 58 00:06:04,997 --> 00:06:08,035 all the sleeping pills. He had not taken them, he had hidden them in the bed. 59 00:06:08,101 --> 00:06:13,642 And they also found a Mr. Coffee machine in his closet with the hidden extension cord that went to the nearest plug 60 00:06:13,706 --> 00:06:17,552 which, to me, was just so out of a movie. 61 00:06:17,610 --> 00:06:20,216 What if there was somebody in his dream that was, 62 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,989 who killed him? What killed him? What if it's a guy? My ovim Bible training of the sins of the parents 63 00:06:25,051 --> 00:06:30,091 being visited on the children. That's perfect as something the parents did to him and just kind of 64 00:06:30,156 --> 00:06:30,861 pieced it together from there. 65 00:06:30,957 --> 00:06:34,769 The reason Elm Street was used is that I wanted to have an idea 66 00:06:34,827 --> 00:06:37,501 of a place that was just pure Americana. 67 00:06:37,563 --> 00:06:41,978 The school I taught at before l jumped ship out of academic teaching 68 00:06:42,034 --> 00:06:47,143 was Clarkson College of Technology in Potsdam, New York and the main street of Potsdam is Elm Street. 69 00:06:47,206 --> 00:06:49,311 And then, of course, Elm Street was the street that 70 00:06:49,375 --> 00:06:51,821 Kennedy was shot on. 71 00:06:51,878 --> 00:06:54,984 I remember showing it to Sean Cunningham, who did "Friday the 13th." 72 00:06:55,047 --> 00:06:56,185 He was my first producer 73 00:06:56,249 --> 00:06:58,422 and he said, "I hate to say it, but nobody's going to be afraid of this 74 00:06:58,518 --> 00:07:00,862 'cause it's a dream, they'll know it's a dream so they won't be afraid." 75 00:07:00,953 --> 00:07:04,025 And it went around Hollywood for three years. 76 00:07:04,090 --> 00:07:07,367 The one guy who thought that the script was interesting was Bob Shaye. 77 00:07:07,427 --> 00:07:15,403 Freddy came along after 10 or 15 years and we had had some successes before "Nightmare on Elm Street." 78 00:07:15,468 --> 00:07:20,178 We had made 3 or 4 films before that, small films, all of which 79 00:07:20,239 --> 00:07:24,847 we were able to sell and make our money back, but none of which did particularly well. 80 00:07:24,911 --> 00:07:31,886 I always did think that producers had something to offer besides raising money. And I didn't get into this business because 81 00:07:31,951 --> 00:07:33,624 I wanted to make a lot of money, I got into the business 82 00:07:33,686 --> 00:07:35,461 because I wanted to entertain people. 83 00:07:35,521 --> 00:07:41,938 When he started the company, which was 1968, originally it was not a production company, it was 84 00:07:41,994 --> 00:07:43,632 a distribution company. 85 00:07:43,696 --> 00:07:51,410 New Line Cinema at that time was a small, tiny, tiny company, I think a few people out of a storefront in the Lower East Side. 86 00:07:51,471 --> 00:07:57,911 Bob was a copyright lawyer and the way Bob started New Line was that he discovered that the copyright on 87 00:07:57,977 --> 00:08:00,457 "Reefer Madness" had expired and he picked it up. 88 00:08:00,513 --> 00:08:03,084 When I came to him he had just gotten 89 00:08:03,149 --> 00:08:05,652 "Pink Flamingos" and it proved to be a big hit. 90 00:08:05,718 --> 00:08:10,064 I think he would carry it around in the trunk of his car and show it at midnight shows. 91 00:08:10,156 --> 00:08:17,040 They would distribute them in 16 mm to army bases and prisons and colleges. Those were their three venues. 92 00:08:17,096 --> 00:08:19,576 That was the very, very, very beginning of New Line as a distribution company. 93 00:08:19,665 --> 00:08:25,445 There was a lot of blood, sweat and toil that went into the whole process over 40 years. 94 00:08:25,538 --> 00:08:27,950 To everyone's credit that worked there 95 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:33,285 they worked as hard as they could for something they loved because it certainly wasn't for money. 96 00:08:33,379 --> 00:08:38,021 It was rough, it was rough. There were times we couldn't cash our paychecks. 97 00:08:38,084 --> 00:08:40,257 We'd go down to the bank and they'd go, "You can't do this," you know. 98 00:08:40,319 --> 00:08:48,033 One of the guys said, "You know, we know the youth market so well that if we could come up with a low budget horror film, 99 00:08:48,094 --> 00:08:48,765 we could really make money." 100 00:08:48,861 --> 00:08:52,900 "Nightmare on Elm Street" came to Bob Shaye, he read it and liked it very much. 101 00:08:52,965 --> 00:08:54,638 He immediately knew there was a premise there 102 00:08:54,734 --> 00:08:56,042 that was strong and original. 103 00:08:56,102 --> 00:09:01,916 And I thought it was incredibly inspired because it had this great marketing hook that was a familiarity 104 00:09:01,974 --> 00:09:06,184 to the entire world, because we�ve all had nightmares. Everybody sleeps. 105 00:09:06,279 --> 00:09:12,252 Bob is many different things, but he has an extraordinary intelligence and he was 106 00:09:12,318 --> 00:09:14,423 able to see how that could grab an audience. 107 00:09:14,487 --> 00:09:20,836 We worked with Wes for six months, maybe even a year, on the story - again -- with very little money. 108 00:09:20,927 --> 00:09:25,740 "Nightmare" had a killer story. it's one of the two scripts I've ever picked up and read straight through. 109 00:09:25,798 --> 00:09:30,144 It tried to be something as deep as it could be, you know, 110 00:09:30,236 --> 00:09:34,685 to get right into your soul. What's the source of fear? 111 00:09:34,740 --> 00:09:37,118 It scared me so much, I actually didn't sleep the night after I read it. 112 00:09:37,176 --> 00:09:41,420 I don't think there's any film I've ever worked on since then that was effective like that in terms of 113 00:09:41,514 --> 00:09:44,825 just being sheer, plain-ahead terrifying. 114 00:09:44,917 --> 00:09:51,766 Now one step closer to making "Elm Street" a reality, the time had come to find the cast of characters: 115 00:09:51,824 --> 00:09:58,070 sympathetic victims, a resourceful heroine and the man who would terrorize their dreams. 116 00:09:58,130 --> 00:10:00,440 We had a brilliant young casting woman, 117 00:10:00,499 --> 00:10:03,173 Annette Benson, and she found everyone. 118 00:10:03,235 --> 00:10:08,184 I wanted very much to do young heroines who didn't trip and fall down, who could fight if they had to. 119 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:13,349 "Moving angle favoring Nancy. She's a pretty gin in a letter sweater 120 00:10:13,412 --> 00:10:16,222 with an easy, athletic stride and the look of a natural leader." 121 00:10:16,315 --> 00:10:21,958 I really feel that she's a totally different kind of heroine and 122 00:10:22,021 --> 00:10:25,696 I don't think she is interchangeable like a lot of the girls in slasher movies. 123 00:10:25,791 --> 00:10:27,737 'Heather was interesting to me because' 124 00:10:27,793 --> 00:10:32,264 she embodied sort of what I was looking for, which was a legitimate girl next door. 125 00:10:32,365 --> 00:10:37,371 A survivor girl, one of the leading, classic ingredients of contemporary horror. 126 00:10:37,436 --> 00:10:39,814 Heather probably being the leading example. 127 00:10:39,872 --> 00:10:44,218 I never felt like, "Oh gosh, I really need to take a lot of time 128 00:10:44,276 --> 00:10:46,256 and develop a character. 129 00:10:46,312 --> 00:10:48,314 I really felt like I was going to bring myself to the set 130 00:10:48,381 --> 00:10:49,655 and be as close to me as I could. 131 00:10:49,749 --> 00:10:55,791 I think Freddy considered her a worthy adversary, but she also has to be the one to go. 132 00:10:55,855 --> 00:10:59,962 She's like his penultimate, if not ultimate, challenge. 133 00:11:00,026 --> 00:11:03,371 As hard as Nancy tries, the only life she can really save is her own. 134 00:11:03,429 --> 00:11:08,344 And I think that that's actually kind of a very tragic part of Nancy's character 135 00:11:08,401 --> 00:11:11,405 is that as hard as she tries, she isn't that successful. 136 00:11:11,537 --> 00:11:17,078 "Tina Gray, a strong girl of fifteen in a thin night shift, moves toward us 137 00:11:17,143 --> 00:11:18,588 down a dark corridor." 138 00:11:18,644 --> 00:11:23,753 I did find the character Tina when I read it, there was something intrinsically sad about her because 139 00:11:23,816 --> 00:11:25,318 she as sort of a victim 140 00:11:25,384 --> 00:11:26,556 of this broken home and 141 00:11:26,619 --> 00:11:28,030 she's left to really raise herself. 142 00:11:28,087 --> 00:11:32,399 Tina's experience was, "I want to feel good and sort of escape 143 00:11:32,458 --> 00:11:35,996 this life that I have," but I don't think Tina's character was 144 00:11:36,062 --> 00:11:36,506 much of a survivor. 145 00:11:36,595 --> 00:11:43,774 "''Tina turns to Nancy, but before either can say more, Rod Lane, a lean, Richard Gere sort in black leather interrupts. 146 00:11:43,869 --> 00:11:49,319 I was pretending to be Italian. My agent at the time gave me a name 147 00:11:49,375 --> 00:11:50,615 called Nick Carri. 148 00:11:50,676 --> 00:11:53,418 It was taboo. No Latin actor was going to make it. 149 00:11:53,479 --> 00:11:56,119 "Hey, up yours with a twirling mower." 150 00:11:56,182 --> 00:12:02,224 Just, there was a lot of me in it, a lot of me: cocky, big ego, womanizer. 151 00:12:02,288 --> 00:12:08,671 We weren't really typecast, but our essence of who we are really was displayed in those characters 152 00:12:08,728 --> 00:12:12,835 and I think that's why all of us were very successful in portraying that group of teenagers. 153 00:12:12,932 --> 00:12:14,104 '(spooky sound)' 154 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,477 The character of Glen was kind of the romantic 155 00:12:17,570 --> 00:12:21,706 lead in a sense. He was the heroine's boyfriend. 156 00:12:21,707 --> 00:12:26,588 We were looking at all the standard Hollywood guys, but I didn't see anybody that seemed to be 157 00:12:26,645 --> 00:12:27,851 that really charismatic. 158 00:12:27,913 --> 00:12:31,918 Charlie Sheen wanted the role but he wanted $3000 bucks a week and we didn't have it. 159 00:12:32,017 --> 00:12:33,894 Johnny hadn't done any acting, I don't think. 160 00:12:33,986 --> 00:12:35,556 He was in a band. 161 00:12:35,621 --> 00:12:40,366 I remember Wes saying that it was between Johnny and one other guy. 162 00:12:40,459 --> 00:12:46,307 My daughter said, "Dad, Johnny Depp." I said, "Really? But he looks kind of sickly and pale." 163 00:12:46,365 --> 00:12:48,538 She says, "He's beautiful." (laughing) And that was it. 164 00:12:48,634 --> 00:12:53,447 The role of Johnny's was supposed to be a jock, 165 00:12:53,506 --> 00:12:56,282 some white dude, big muscular guy. 166 00:12:56,375 --> 00:12:59,652 Johnny comes in with a little baby voice, really sensitive. 167 00:12:59,745 --> 00:13:02,487 (laughing) "Did you see his face?" (mocking) "Did you see his face?" 168 00:13:02,581 --> 00:13:07,587 But he really went for the straight-laced. He did everything he could do to be that wholesome guy. 169 00:13:07,653 --> 00:13:10,099 I thought he was really successful in it. 170 00:13:10,156 --> 00:13:13,694 Johnny was so terrified when he was first performing. 171 00:13:13,759 --> 00:13:17,036 He would always be in sort of a cold, clammy sweat and his hands would be trembling. 172 00:13:17,096 --> 00:13:21,738 He was really pushing himself, you know, into an area that was totally different and 173 00:13:21,801 --> 00:13:23,576 I don't think, something that he felt prepared for at all. 174 00:13:23,669 --> 00:13:25,979 He had an energy level that 175 00:13:26,038 --> 00:13:31,818 just a lot of actors don't have and I think that's why he's become such a superstar. 176 00:13:31,877 --> 00:13:35,825 He's always been very sweet about acknowledging that I gave him a start 177 00:13:35,915 --> 00:13:39,260 and I think on "Actor's Studio" I've heard that he has a nice comment about 178 00:13:39,318 --> 00:13:40,797 "Nightmare on Elm Street." 179 00:13:40,853 --> 00:13:44,198 What was your role in "Nightmare on Elm Street?" (laughing) I played Glen. 180 00:13:44,256 --> 00:13:45,496 And what happened to Glen? 181 00:13:45,558 --> 00:13:50,007 I get sucked into bed. (audience laughter) Not a bad gig, you know. 182 00:13:50,129 --> 00:13:53,076 It's interesting the people you get to work with on lower budget films 183 00:13:53,132 --> 00:13:55,305 because a lot of them have quite distinguished careers 184 00:13:55,367 --> 00:13:59,543 and then their careers have maybe gone down a little bit and they don't get that much work. 185 00:13:59,605 --> 00:14:04,987 So, you can get somebody that's affordable and at the same time has fantastic experience and chops. 186 00:14:05,077 --> 00:14:07,887 Whether it's Lieutenant Fuller 187 00:14:07,947 --> 00:14:09,290 in "Black Christmas" 188 00:14:09,381 --> 00:14:11,292 to Lieutenant Thompson, 189 00:14:11,350 --> 00:14:14,888 I guess I made a bridge between the two in some way. 190 00:14:15,020 --> 00:14:15,998 He's worked with everybody 191 00:14:16,055 --> 00:14:18,228 I mean, John Saxon is the man. 192 00:14:18,290 --> 00:14:19,200 You know, you realize 193 00:14:19,258 --> 00:14:21,295 this guy's a legend and he can act and he's awesome. 194 00:14:21,393 --> 00:14:25,034 It's funny, he arrived at the first makeup session with two little boxes 195 00:14:25,097 --> 00:14:28,442 and he opened them up and there were hairpieces. I don't think he'll mind me telling this story. 196 00:14:28,500 --> 00:14:33,006 He said, "Would you like this one, it's a little bit more full, or this one, I look a little bit more aged." 197 00:14:33,105 --> 00:14:36,643 I think it's kind of rare in horror movies that the heroine has 198 00:14:36,709 --> 00:14:38,211 so many different 199 00:14:38,277 --> 00:14:40,723 relationships going through the plotlines. 200 00:14:40,813 --> 00:14:48,163 We all clicked and that's part of his genius is picking the right people that had chemistry, that he clearly saw had chemistry. 201 00:14:48,254 --> 00:14:53,897 We would have serious discussions with Wes about, "Look, we don't want this to be another "Friday the 13th" 202 00:14:53,959 --> 00:14:55,404 where it's just we're camping and 203 00:14:55,494 --> 00:14:57,030 then a knife goes through the bed 204 00:14:57,229 --> 00:14:58,640 and it's, "uhhh uhhh." (knife sound) 205 00:14:58,731 --> 00:15:01,712 Let's really make it psychologically damaging and real 206 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,939 and that's what the movie ultimately became. 207 00:15:04,069 --> 00:15:09,951 Freddy's origins, they're sort of multi-various and they all come together with this character. One was, there was this kid 208 00:15:10,042 --> 00:15:12,613 named Freddy in elementary school 209 00:15:12,678 --> 00:15:15,181 (laughing) and he would beat me up with some regularity. 210 00:15:15,247 --> 00:15:20,492 So the name Fred/Freddy to me was like one of those names that just brings up all these bad memories. 211 00:15:20,586 --> 00:15:24,033 And then there was this incident of myself as a child 212 00:15:24,089 --> 00:15:26,433 lying in bed at night and I heard this mumbling 213 00:15:26,492 --> 00:15:30,565 and couldn't figure out what the hell it was, you know. So I crept to the window and there was 214 00:15:30,629 --> 00:15:34,304 this man who, if you would say, "Oh, put Freddy down the street," 215 00:15:34,366 --> 00:15:35,845 that's what he would look like, you know. 216 00:15:35,901 --> 00:15:40,714 Somehow he sensed that somebody was watching and he looked right up into my eyes 217 00:15:40,806 --> 00:15:45,277 and l jumped back in the room and sat on the edge of the bed waiting for him to go away 218 00:15:45,377 --> 00:15:49,154 and I went back and he was still there and he just went and then he started walking. 219 00:15:49,248 --> 00:15:54,960 The thing that struck me most about that particular man was that he had a lot of malice in his face and 220 00:15:55,020 --> 00:15:58,058 he also had this sort of sick sense of humor 221 00:15:58,123 --> 00:16:01,969 about how delightful it was to terrify a child. 222 00:16:02,027 --> 00:16:06,772 The way most villains are cast in these kinds of movies are usually stuntmen. 223 00:16:06,832 --> 00:16:13,613 Wes' idea was to get a real actor in the role to add some personality and some elan to it. 224 00:16:13,706 --> 00:16:15,617 I was casting for an old man 225 00:16:15,674 --> 00:16:20,316 because that's how Freddy was written. When I was reading older men, there was a softness to them, 226 00:16:20,446 --> 00:16:22,050 there was something about having seen, 227 00:16:22,114 --> 00:16:27,757 I think, so much of life, there was a tenderness to them (laughing) as far as they couldn't really be evil. 228 00:16:27,853 --> 00:16:30,333 David Warner was origin ally cast as Freddy 229 00:16:30,489 --> 00:16:33,698 and I was excited because I saw "Afier Time." 230 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:36,069 I loved him as the villain and I was kind of excited about working with him and then 231 00:16:36,128 --> 00:16:42,568 at the last minute he said he had a prior commitment that he couldn�t commit to their timeframe and all that, 232 00:16:42,634 --> 00:16:43,578 and that's when Robert came in. 233 00:16:43,635 --> 00:16:51,577 I was really sort of self-preoccupied with my first boom of success as a result of 234 00:16:51,643 --> 00:16:53,020 the miniseries 235 00:16:53,112 --> 00:16:56,685 My agent had suggested this film called "A Nightmare on Elm Street" 236 00:16:56,782 --> 00:17:01,094 with this guy Wes Craven, and I went on this interview 237 00:17:01,153 --> 00:17:03,827 expecting to meet the prince of darkness and there was 238 00:17:03,922 --> 00:17:08,098 erudite, tall, preppy, Ralph Lauren-attired Wes Craven there. 239 00:17:08,193 --> 00:17:10,332 He looked kind of semi-geeky 240 00:17:10,429 --> 00:17:13,000 and he was much younger than I was looking for. 241 00:17:13,065 --> 00:17:14,840 I saw him coming and it was like 242 00:17:14,900 --> 00:17:19,042 "They want him to play Freddy?" He just didn't look it, he was kind of happy-go-lucky. 243 00:17:19,104 --> 00:17:22,176 Wes is very kind to me 244 00:17:22,241 --> 00:17:25,984 and says that he saw something in me. And perhaps he did. I hope that's the truth. 245 00:17:26,078 --> 00:17:27,614 He just relished being evil 246 00:17:27,713 --> 00:17:30,421 and it brought out that wonderful thing about Freddy 247 00:17:30,482 --> 00:17:33,156 of, it's the guy on the sidewalk frightening the kid, 248 00:17:33,218 --> 00:17:35,698 but he was also was able to do it in almost a funny way. 249 00:17:35,754 --> 00:17:38,758 Robert created the character, he created a real, real character. 250 00:17:38,824 --> 00:17:43,739 So everyone was thrilled because Robert brought much more to the table than a guy in a hockey mask. 251 00:17:43,829 --> 00:17:47,242 The rest was makeup and once the makeup was on you didn't know how old he was anyway. 252 00:17:47,332 --> 00:17:49,608 (laughing) It was like, "Duh, what was I thinking?" 253 00:17:49,701 --> 00:17:51,772 David Miller 254 00:17:51,837 --> 00:17:53,942 was of "Thriller" with John Landis, 255 00:17:54,006 --> 00:17:57,920 so I knew I was in good hands because that was the state-of-the-an phenomenon. 256 00:17:58,010 --> 00:18:01,423 The final design for Freddy was based on pepperoni pizza. 257 00:18:01,513 --> 00:18:06,656 I was at a restaurant one night and I was having pizza and I was just kind of deep in thought. 258 00:18:06,752 --> 00:18:09,790 I started playing around with the cheese, 259 00:18:09,855 --> 00:18:12,335 putting it around the pepperoni and I actually made Freddy's face on the pizza. 260 00:18:12,424 --> 00:18:16,895 David just whipped open this medical textbook for me 261 00:18:16,962 --> 00:18:18,339 the first day I sat down 262 00:18:18,497 --> 00:18:21,501 and he said, "This is what we're going to do to you." 263 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,375 And it was real burn victims. 264 00:18:23,435 --> 00:18:26,507 It's hard to imagine that Robert alone could have the patience for someone 265 00:18:26,605 --> 00:18:30,849 touching his face like that all the time. Always touching, always prodding. 266 00:18:30,909 --> 00:18:35,654 A lot of what I discovered that I used for the entire experience of playing Freddy 267 00:18:35,747 --> 00:18:40,218 was those first few makeup applications 268 00:18:40,285 --> 00:18:42,731 in David Millers garage somewhere, 269 00:18:42,788 --> 00:18:44,790 teasing him or telling him to get a brush out of my eye. 270 00:18:44,890 --> 00:18:48,099 (menacing) "David!" I found a little bit of Freddy in there. 271 00:18:48,193 --> 00:18:51,367 When Robert was done with the day, as soon as they yelled "Cut!" 272 00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:54,673 he would start ripping it to pieces and throw them behind him 273 00:18:54,733 --> 00:18:59,580 as he would walk to the makeup room for me to take the makeup off, and by the time 274 00:18:59,638 --> 00:19:03,415 he would get there, half his makeup was off already, and there would be people behind him 275 00:19:03,475 --> 00:19:07,082 with plastic bags picking up the pieces, 276 00:19:07,146 --> 00:19:08,750 (laughing) and they'd come to me later on and say, 277 00:19:08,814 --> 00:19:10,054 (laughing) "What pan do I have?" 278 00:19:10,149 --> 00:19:13,562 He came up with a lot more physicality, you know, 279 00:19:13,652 --> 00:19:15,689 the way he was moving the claws and everything 280 00:19:15,754 --> 00:19:16,858 that were very original and distinctive. 281 00:19:16,922 --> 00:19:19,459 I really made conscious choices 282 00:19:19,525 --> 00:19:22,870 I recognized how great the silhouette was 283 00:19:22,928 --> 00:19:27,035 and how great the shadow was. And so I really physicalized him a lot. 284 00:19:27,099 --> 00:19:28,908 I used Klaus Kinski but I also used a little bit 285 00:19:29,001 --> 00:19:31,538 of Jimmy Cagney in there, 286 00:19:31,603 --> 00:19:37,212 that little spread-legged, strong gangster stance that Cagney uses, was something I kind of had 287 00:19:37,276 --> 00:19:38,277 going on in the back of my head, too. 288 00:19:38,377 --> 00:19:42,621 A lot of the monsters of past were misunderstood, 289 00:19:42,681 --> 00:19:44,422 they were kind of innocent. 290 00:19:44,483 --> 00:19:47,089 But Freddy Krueger is not innocent. 291 00:19:47,186 --> 00:19:49,928 The real fact of Freddy that nobody really talks about, 292 00:19:50,022 --> 00:19:53,299 I think it was that Freddy molested the kids, but they really kind of... 293 00:19:53,358 --> 00:19:54,496 side-stepped that. 294 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,473 While we were filming the original film, there was this 295 00:19:57,529 --> 00:20:00,874 huge national news story. 296 00:20:00,966 --> 00:20:07,576 The McMartin trial was going on endlessly. A school for children where the children had accused teachers of molesting them, 297 00:20:07,639 --> 00:20:08,583 on a very systematic way. 298 00:20:08,674 --> 00:20:12,486 We had to salt-pedal the sexuality a little bit, but that was probably even better 299 00:20:12,544 --> 00:20:15,957 because it becomes subtext. 300 00:20:16,048 --> 00:20:23,330 That's a character entire modus operandi is about the fact that he knows the fear he's causing you, he knows 301 00:20:23,388 --> 00:20:25,231 that he's screwing with you before the kill. 302 00:20:25,324 --> 00:20:31,434 He could kill you right away, that's not the point. The fun is in prolonging it. It's the foreplay, in Freddy's case. 303 00:20:31,496 --> 00:20:35,808 Freddy's in those teenage girls' bedrooms, 304 00:20:35,901 --> 00:20:38,711 he's in their bed with them, 305 00:20:38,770 --> 00:20:43,651 he's in their dreams with them, and that's about as much as you could ever hope to violate anyone. 306 00:20:43,742 --> 00:20:48,742 That's more of a violation than rape and so I think that, in and of itself, is one of the great hooks to "A Nightmare on Elm Street." 307 00:20:53,885 --> 00:20:58,061 You know, in my mind, the killer of children is about the most despicable 308 00:20:58,123 --> 00:20:59,033 thing you can think and the most, 309 00:20:59,157 --> 00:21:02,001 the deepest and most profound betrayal of the innocence of a child. 310 00:21:02,060 --> 00:21:10,844 But at the same time, there was something deeper in the original about morality play with Freddy being a child molester 311 00:21:10,902 --> 00:21:13,348 and the whole town having their dirty secret 312 00:21:13,405 --> 00:21:15,078 that they had committed murder, 313 00:21:15,140 --> 00:21:16,118 group murder, themselves. 314 00:21:16,208 --> 00:21:21,487 And it also made the moral issue of if it's a really despicable human being, do you have the right 315 00:21:21,546 --> 00:21:22,650 to take the law into your hands. 316 00:21:22,714 --> 00:21:31,634 It is this story that makes you search your own soul about vigilante justice and decent people doing bad things 317 00:21:31,690 --> 00:21:33,363 in the name of what they consider justice. 318 00:21:33,458 --> 00:21:36,735 Two wrongs don't make a right and, certainly, being burned alive is not 319 00:21:36,795 --> 00:21:39,139 'due process.. 320 00:21:39,197 --> 00:21:42,838 Oh, I do think that vigilante justice is an answer to someone like Freddy Krueger. 321 00:21:42,968 --> 00:21:47,246 I would never want that kind of crime on my hands, but 322 00:21:47,306 --> 00:21:49,411 it happens, it happens all the time. 323 00:21:49,508 --> 00:21:54,548 Freddy is a warning. He is talked about and he's whispered about. 324 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,457 The spectre has infiltrated their imaginations. 325 00:21:58,583 --> 00:22:05,262 I love the idea that behind one of those garage doors, in a white trash neighborhood, Fred Krueger was there 326 00:22:05,324 --> 00:22:07,804 with his vise making that thing... 327 00:22:07,859 --> 00:22:10,738 and dreaming and fantasizing about what he was going to do and 328 00:22:10,796 --> 00:22:13,572 when he put it on it emboldened him. 329 00:22:13,632 --> 00:22:17,011 There was a lot of killers with masks and with some sort of an edged weapon. 330 00:22:17,102 --> 00:22:20,845 Wes was sort of stuck on what the weapon was going to be. 331 00:22:20,939 --> 00:22:25,649 What's the earliest weapon that mankind might have been afraid of? 332 00:22:25,711 --> 00:22:27,384 And it would be, well, the weapon of an animal. 333 00:22:27,446 --> 00:22:29,687 The cave bear, you know, something that could reach around the comer 334 00:22:29,748 --> 00:22:30,726 with these big giant claws. 335 00:22:30,816 --> 00:22:34,286 And he described it as something like "long fingernails," 336 00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:36,094 so I went off and did some sketches 337 00:22:36,154 --> 00:22:39,067 and actually built the test fingers, how the glove might look and function. 338 00:22:39,157 --> 00:22:44,197 Reading that script and knowing that I had to build that glove, 339 00:22:44,296 --> 00:22:48,711 I felt I was just building this character that was part of the film. 340 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,076 The claw extends Freddy, 341 00:22:51,136 --> 00:22:54,777 it extends his evil, it extends his anger. 342 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,183 Freddy made it in the basement, 343 00:22:56,274 --> 00:22:59,483 so the glove had to actually be kind of crude. 344 00:22:59,544 --> 00:23:04,994 It almost looks like a junior high school shop project from hell. 345 00:23:05,183 --> 00:23:11,464 I think in those boiler room scenes he's the scariest, 'cause he was always scratching those nails against the pipes. 346 00:23:11,523 --> 00:23:13,400 He would really do that and annoy everybody. 347 00:23:13,458 --> 00:23:14,436 '(nails scratching)' 348 00:23:14,526 --> 00:23:15,527 Aaahhh! 349 00:23:15,660 --> 00:23:19,369 How the glove affected me was, it's heavy, and when I put it on 350 00:23:19,464 --> 00:23:23,378 one shoulder dropped a bit and it affected my movement 351 00:23:23,435 --> 00:23:26,575 and it affected my posture, and I immediately thought, 352 00:23:26,638 --> 00:23:28,208 it's like a holster, it's like a gunslinger's thing. 353 00:23:28,273 --> 00:23:31,743 So that posture became signature 354 00:23:31,810 --> 00:23:32,811 for Freddy Krueger. 355 00:23:32,878 --> 00:23:36,018 When I first meet Freddy head-on in the alley 356 00:23:36,081 --> 00:23:38,618 we shot that in the middle of the night in Venice, California 357 00:23:38,717 --> 00:23:39,991 it was freezing. 358 00:23:40,085 --> 00:23:42,827 Freddy was coming down the alleyway 359 00:23:42,888 --> 00:23:44,993 and his arms were extending. 360 00:23:45,090 --> 00:23:47,798 That was all simple marionetting, 361 00:23:47,859 --> 00:23:51,033 where you've got guys on the garage roofs 362 00:23:51,096 --> 00:23:52,632 with long versions of fishing poles, 363 00:23:52,731 --> 00:23:55,007 with wire holding up the Freddy arms. 364 00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:56,875 It looked ridiculous. 365 00:23:56,968 --> 00:23:59,642 Jacques hated this thing and with good reason. 366 00:23:59,704 --> 00:24:06,519 I was a little concerned that it was going to look too fake, too cheesy, not scary enough. 367 00:24:06,611 --> 00:24:08,022 I was surprised... 368 00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:11,959 at how well it came out in terms of people accepting it. 369 00:24:12,050 --> 00:24:14,223 The death of Tina 370 00:24:14,286 --> 00:24:16,232 is pretty brutal stuff, I mean, it really holds up. 371 00:24:16,288 --> 00:24:19,633 It appeared to be a little bit of a red herring because you almost kind of think... 372 00:24:19,724 --> 00:24:23,001 Tina's going to be the heroine at the beginning, in a way. 373 00:24:23,061 --> 00:24:25,268 That's the real nod to Hitchcock. 374 00:24:25,363 --> 00:24:31,575 Since Wes wanted something really big and fantastic and out there for the first death, Tina's death, 375 00:24:31,636 --> 00:24:33,115 I suggested that we do a rotating room. 376 00:24:33,205 --> 00:24:34,707 They took it from Fred Astaire 377 00:24:34,806 --> 00:24:37,218 dancing on the walls and the roof. 378 00:24:37,309 --> 00:24:40,552 And that situation was quite a hairy situation, 379 00:24:40,612 --> 00:24:41,750 that scene where she's dragged up the wall, 380 00:24:41,847 --> 00:24:44,953 there were no wires or anything dragging her, we were rotating the entire set. 381 00:24:45,016 --> 00:24:47,792 Everything in the room was naked down,' 382 00:24:47,853 --> 00:24:52,302 the cameraman was in like an airplane seat attached to the wall. 383 00:24:52,357 --> 00:24:54,530 It would take a couple of people 384 00:24:54,593 --> 00:24:56,595 to just turn that room 385 00:24:56,661 --> 00:24:58,766 and actually make it move without 386 00:24:58,830 --> 00:25:00,969 using any mechanical means. 387 00:25:01,099 --> 00:25:04,740 As you get turned upside down, you're still operating the camera, 388 00:25:04,803 --> 00:25:06,407 but you're brain is upside down. 389 00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:10,476 I was either crawling or being dragged, 390 00:25:10,542 --> 00:25:11,850 however I was always on the floor. 391 00:25:11,943 --> 00:25:14,549 Boy, did she ever do that that moment when she's killed 392 00:25:14,613 --> 00:25:16,320 she just nailed it. 393 00:25:16,414 --> 00:25:20,260 The blood and her being dragged up the walls and down walls, 394 00:25:20,318 --> 00:25:23,162 a brutal sequence. 395 00:25:23,255 --> 00:25:29,763 It was extremely disorienting. I know at the end of the take, she stood up and she said, "I can't move." 396 00:25:29,828 --> 00:25:32,399 I had the sensation I was falling 397 00:25:32,464 --> 00:25:35,877 and I completely flipped out. It was like, "Stop, I have to get out! I have to get out!" 398 00:25:35,934 --> 00:25:39,381 And then here comes Wes, all calm, sticking his up through the window. 399 00:25:39,437 --> 00:25:42,179 He's like, "Check this out, I'm standing on the ground, 400 00:25:42,274 --> 00:25:46,916 you're laying here, we're looking at each other, you're not falling." (laughing) It's like, "onnnn!" 401 00:25:47,012 --> 00:25:51,085 As I looked around thinking I was going to reassure her, I started feeling nauseated. 402 00:25:51,149 --> 00:25:53,151 It was a very, very strange set. 403 00:25:53,218 --> 00:25:58,031 I remember that when the stuntwoman slammed onto the bed, blood slapped me on the face. 404 00:25:58,089 --> 00:26:01,798 There was this beautiful, sort of slow-motion (blood splashing sound) 405 00:26:01,860 --> 00:26:06,639 because we had the bed just loaded with blood. And the censors, the censors 406 00:26:06,698 --> 00:26:08,769 went after that whole scene. As soon as she hit the bed, 407 00:26:08,833 --> 00:26:11,279 we were not allowed to show any splash whatsoever. 408 00:26:11,336 --> 00:26:16,684 There was nothing fake in the first one. We were all there in the same room, we were all acting together. 409 00:26:16,741 --> 00:26:21,713 The reality of it being really there with the actor makes such a difference in their performance. 410 00:26:21,780 --> 00:26:23,350 The fact that we do the stuff live 411 00:26:23,448 --> 00:26:27,396 and that we do it on camera and we get it in one take or two takes, or whatever, 412 00:26:27,452 --> 00:26:30,296 is pan of the romance of the genre. 413 00:26:30,388 --> 00:26:33,562 In the high school scene Where I'm sitting in the class, 414 00:26:33,625 --> 00:26:34,933 we had a lot of extras there. 415 00:26:34,993 --> 00:26:39,305 It's the first time that Heather is really confronted with the dream. 416 00:26:39,431 --> 00:26:44,107 Lin Sh aye is the sister of the producer, so she had this really important part as the teacher. 417 00:26:44,202 --> 00:26:48,708 I gotta say, I was somewhat shocked how much impact 418 00:26:48,773 --> 00:26:49,717 the English teacher 419 00:26:49,808 --> 00:26:53,881 had on people. That they remembered her and, "I have a teacherjust like that." 420 00:26:53,945 --> 00:26:58,553 And then the strange reading of "Hamlet," which is so Wes, you know, 421 00:26:58,617 --> 00:27:00,790 to have some classic Shakespeare reference on top of that. 422 00:27:00,852 --> 00:27:07,098 I read it straight, and then Wes came up and asked me if I'd repeat it again in a stage whisper. 423 00:27:07,192 --> 00:27:09,433 (whispering) "Bad dreams." 424 00:27:09,561 --> 00:27:15,637 When "Cut!" was called, people started kind of laughing and then I received a standing ovation. 425 00:27:15,767 --> 00:27:17,906 Wes and I, we always had a joke. 426 00:27:17,969 --> 00:27:22,440 I'm like, "Try to explain this to me, Wes," and he's like, "I can't explain it, it's just a dream." 427 00:27:22,540 --> 00:27:24,850 And I'm like, "Okay, thank you." (laughing) 428 00:27:24,909 --> 00:27:26,855 The image of the body bag 429 00:27:26,945 --> 00:27:28,947 just in the hallway, scared me so much. 430 00:27:29,047 --> 00:27:33,655 First of all, your psyche does not want to be in a bodybag when you're alive. 431 00:27:33,718 --> 00:27:38,633 Your body and your brain says, "Don't let them zip this up," because there's not a zipper on the in side 432 00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:41,034 so you're really at the mercy of the people 433 00:27:41,092 --> 00:27:41,934 taking care of you. 434 00:27:41,993 --> 00:27:47,238 My heart was going out to Amanda because she had to do the grossest things. 435 00:27:47,298 --> 00:27:49,574 There were eels and centipedes and 436 00:27:49,634 --> 00:27:53,639 it was very disturbing and I was upset. Both Heather and I were very upset while we were filming those scenes. 437 00:27:53,705 --> 00:27:56,242 And she's always such a trouper 438 00:27:56,307 --> 00:27:57,615 and they always kind of push the envelope to see how much she would do. 439 00:27:57,709 --> 00:28:00,280 And then, finally, she would say, "Okay, three centipedes... that's enough 440 00:28:00,345 --> 00:28:03,622 The hall pass line is, of course, 441 00:28:03,682 --> 00:28:05,355 became a favorite of people's, actually. 442 00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:07,088 "Where's your pass?" 443 00:28:07,185 --> 00:28:08,630 "Screw your pass!" 444 00:28:08,753 --> 00:28:17,730 With Robert's voice coming out of my mouth, I guess kids didn't expect it and it just really grossed them out. 445 00:28:17,796 --> 00:28:20,606 "No running in the hallway." 446 00:28:20,665 --> 00:28:23,236 It's an archetype that Wes just tapped into, 447 00:28:23,334 --> 00:28:27,043 even the clothes that he wears, the stripes. 448 00:28:27,105 --> 00:28:31,679 And the red and the green together actually were from an article on how 449 00:28:31,743 --> 00:28:34,383 the eye and the retina deal with color and those two colors 450 00:28:34,446 --> 00:28:38,451 were very diff cult for the eye to see side by side. So I said, "Great, that will be the stripes of the sweater." (laughing) 451 00:28:38,516 --> 00:28:43,158 So I, literally, made him into a sort of painful optical effect. 452 00:28:43,254 --> 00:28:46,360 There was a lot of pressure on the original film, I think, because... 453 00:28:46,424 --> 00:28:48,028 there was no money. 454 00:28:48,126 --> 00:28:51,471 There were tensions between Bob and Wes, and it was obvious to everybody. 455 00:28:51,563 --> 00:28:55,943 And I knew that Bob had mortgaged his company and his life and his house and everything 456 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:02,747 to create this film. And I knew that Wes had signed away the rights to the characters and all this to create this film. 457 00:29:02,841 --> 00:29:04,650 Wes and I had a little bit of a disagreement 458 00:29:04,743 --> 00:29:08,088 about who was doing what, and he wanted me to stick in my role as a producer. 459 00:29:08,146 --> 00:29:13,357 You've got two strong personalities, both ofvimich shared a vision of the end 460 00:29:13,418 --> 00:29:16,422 but they might not have shared every day 461 00:29:16,488 --> 00:29:17,660 the vision of how to get there. 462 00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:22,227 One of the big fights I remember between Bob and Wes was over the sticky stairs. 463 00:29:22,293 --> 00:29:24,364 'Bob was obsessed with this image and Wes' 464 00:29:24,429 --> 00:29:26,170 wasn't particulany interested in it. 465 00:29:26,264 --> 00:29:30,041 The Bob Shaye imprint in large measure came from some of my own nightmares 466 00:29:30,135 --> 00:29:34,379 that's why I was just offering them up to Wes. (laughing) 467 00:29:34,472 --> 00:29:37,578 I don't know if it was in the script, but they decided to have 468 00:29:37,642 --> 00:29:38,586 the carpet just cut 469 00:29:38,676 --> 00:29:42,818 and then they poured in a bunch of oatmeal mixed with mushroom soup or something like that. 470 00:29:42,881 --> 00:29:44,292 'K was Bisquick' 471 00:29:44,382 --> 00:29:51,266 If you mix Bisquick up too thick and you let it sit for about an hour, it becomes the most sticky, gooey, 472 00:29:51,356 --> 00:29:53,495 tenacious stuff on the planet. 473 00:29:53,591 --> 00:30:01,237 Wes fin ally deigned to let me say "Action!" at least. (laughing) There wasn't very much directing to go on. 474 00:30:01,299 --> 00:30:06,977 Letting him "direct," call "Action!" and "Cut!" on that, was kind of a way of saying, "Come on, we're friends," 475 00:30:07,038 --> 00:30:09,018 and you know, "We're in this together." 476 00:30:09,073 --> 00:30:13,453 You know, ultimately, I think Bob and I both respected each other all the way through and we both knew 477 00:30:13,511 --> 00:30:16,151 we had everything to win or lose with the film. 478 00:30:16,214 --> 00:30:18,888 We had 80 effects, shots 479 00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:20,088 OI' SEQUEHCES 480 00:30:20,151 --> 00:30:21,789 in a 90-minute film 481 00:30:21,853 --> 00:30:23,628 that we were shooting in 26 days. 482 00:30:23,688 --> 00:30:24,792 Poor Heather's been haunted by 483 00:30:24,856 --> 00:30:27,359 phallic moments, you know. (laughing) The first one with Freddy coming out of the bathtub 484 00:30:27,425 --> 00:30:28,631 between her legs. 485 00:30:28,793 --> 00:30:35,108 They built a bathtub on our soundstage that had no bottom and then it had, instead, a tank. 486 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,546 So I had the distinct pleasure of having Heather Langenkamp sitting on my knees 487 00:30:39,604 --> 00:30:42,084 with her feet resting on my shoulders for an entire day. 488 00:30:42,173 --> 00:30:46,144 And he's the one who has the hand that comes up with the Freddy glove on it. 489 00:30:46,244 --> 00:30:48,451 Rod's death scene in the jail 490 00:30:48,513 --> 00:30:50,254 was technically complicated. 491 00:30:50,348 --> 00:30:52,328 When they try to hang me, they hang me 492 00:30:52,383 --> 00:30:54,420 on fishwire, but the fishwire wasn't 493 00:30:54,485 --> 00:30:57,864 strong enough, so the first time I crashed and burned, I fell. 494 00:30:57,922 --> 00:31:00,903 There's one shot in there where it's shot in reverse 495 00:31:00,959 --> 00:31:03,064 where the thing actually snakes around his neck. 496 00:31:03,161 --> 00:31:07,906 It was the old days, it was the way to do it, you know. Kind of archaic, but it works. 497 00:31:07,966 --> 00:31:10,105 "I couldn't even see the fucker." 498 00:31:10,168 --> 00:31:14,241 Well the jail scene, I was really depressed. I'm not going to say the drug I was doing, 499 00:31:14,339 --> 00:31:15,716 but I was ripped. 500 00:31:15,807 --> 00:31:16,808 I was passed out 501 00:31:16,908 --> 00:31:18,888 and Wes, I think, Wes was like, "Are you ready for this shoot?" 502 00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:21,490 I'm crying, not because of the scene, 503 00:31:21,579 --> 00:31:23,616 I'm crying because my life is shitty at the time. 504 00:31:23,681 --> 00:31:28,426 I really regret that I brought a substance and changed my acting, 505 00:31:28,519 --> 00:31:31,329 but I'm clean after 25 years. I'm sober. 506 00:31:31,389 --> 00:31:34,632 What I like so much about the story, 507 00:31:34,692 --> 00:31:37,263 and about Renee Blakley and John Saxon's 508 00:31:37,328 --> 00:31:44,576 portrayal, is that you really don't understand at the beginning why they have this kind of conspiratorial relationship. 509 00:31:44,669 --> 00:31:46,012 I guess I played the role, 510 00:31:46,104 --> 00:31:50,712 or it was intended to be, someone who is harsh and a little tough. 511 00:31:50,775 --> 00:31:54,484 My relationship with my father is the most distant and the most diff cult. 512 00:31:54,579 --> 00:31:57,651 He's not willing to go there and admit that Nancy's 513 00:31:57,749 --> 00:31:59,023 having these real dreams. 514 00:31:59,083 --> 00:32:01,154 Heather was saying things about 515 00:32:01,219 --> 00:32:02,755 "Fred Krueger" 516 00:32:02,820 --> 00:32:07,269 and I'd say, "Stop that kind of stuff, this is nonsense. Don't talk to me about that." 517 00:32:07,325 --> 00:32:12,104 Ronee Blakley's character was interesting, you know. She's this alcoholic mother and it was important to me 518 00:32:12,196 --> 00:32:15,234 that there was this drifi from a woman who was saying 519 00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:16,540 "You're crazy," to her child. 520 00:32:16,634 --> 00:32:21,845 And she actually has the weight of the world on her shoulders because of her crime 521 00:32:21,906 --> 00:32:23,817 in creating Freddy Krueger. 522 00:32:23,875 --> 00:32:28,756 And once she has disclosed that she and her cohorts of the other parents have essentially caused 523 00:32:28,846 --> 00:32:30,291 the deaths of their own children, 524 00:32:30,415 --> 00:32:32,019 starts drinking heavily 525 00:32:32,083 --> 00:32:37,863 to the point where when Nancy is about to face her worst test, her mother isn't there and has to be 526 00:32:37,922 --> 00:32:38,923 kind of put to bed like a little child. 527 00:32:39,023 --> 00:32:43,301 She becomes such an important yin to my yang. 528 00:32:43,361 --> 00:32:49,107 I don't think the movie would have been as good without her being a little bit more intense than I think 529 00:32:49,167 --> 00:32:51,704 our average parent character is these days. 530 00:32:51,803 --> 00:32:53,870 Nancy comes home and there's bars on all the windows. 531 00:32:53,871 --> 00:32:56,943 And then, later, when she needs to get out of the house, she can't because 532 00:32:57,008 --> 00:32:58,544 she's locked from the inside. 533 00:32:58,609 --> 00:33:00,111 And goes to her mother and the mother says, 534 00:33:00,211 --> 00:33:02,691 "Locked, locked, locked." (laughing) 535 00:33:02,747 --> 00:33:04,249 The battle's about to be 536 00:33:04,315 --> 00:33:07,421 enjoined with Freddy and it's going to take place in the house. 537 00:33:07,485 --> 00:33:10,898 And what her mom has done by putting bars on is ensured that 538 00:33:10,955 --> 00:33:13,299 there will be no escape. 539 00:33:13,358 --> 00:33:18,068 I'm trying to talk to Glen and trying to wam him that, you know, he's about to get killed by Freddy 540 00:33:18,129 --> 00:33:19,472 if he falls asleep 541 00:33:19,530 --> 00:33:23,774 and I look dovm and it's Freddy's mouth and tongue and he says, 542 00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:27,282 "I'm your boyfriend now, Nancy." 543 00:33:27,372 --> 00:33:29,613 That shocked people so much. 544 00:33:29,674 --> 00:33:31,847 It was one of the most startling moments of the first film 545 00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:33,445 and the special effects cost $5. 546 00:33:33,544 --> 00:33:35,922 Heather unwanted to, eventually, 547 00:33:35,980 --> 00:33:37,254 take that thing home 548 00:33:37,315 --> 00:33:38,589 and we thought it was a little strange. 549 00:33:38,716 --> 00:33:41,390 Then the rotating room ended up getting used again 550 00:33:41,452 --> 00:33:44,058 for Johnny Depp's death, but that wasn't originally planned that way. 551 00:33:44,155 --> 00:33:47,261 Johnny Depp went through a mattress. 552 00:33:47,358 --> 00:33:51,204 (laughing) He's got his headphones on, and all of a sudden 553 00:33:51,329 --> 00:33:54,173 The blood spilling out of the bed, 554 00:33:54,232 --> 00:33:55,711 that was a one take deal. 555 00:33:55,767 --> 00:33:56,711 Big pressure there. 556 00:33:56,768 --> 00:33:59,476 Wes, who is now strapped to one of the camera chairs, would say, "Go." 557 00:33:59,570 --> 00:34:03,108 We tumed the room upside down, the bed was now 558 00:34:03,174 --> 00:34:04,152 at the top. 559 00:34:04,208 --> 00:34:09,886 When they started dumping the red water, the blood, through the thing, as soon as it hit the ceiling 560 00:34:09,947 --> 00:34:10,789 and hit the light 561 00:34:10,848 --> 00:34:17,629 it immediately electrified the water, so the guy pouring the water got electrocuted. 562 00:34:17,722 --> 00:34:19,599 (laughing) Oops. 563 00:34:19,690 --> 00:34:23,763 You got hundreds of gallons of water now sloshing on the floor. 564 00:34:23,861 --> 00:34:27,900 Which threw the weight off entirely, and the WhOIE thing suddenlyjust shifted. 565 00:34:28,032 --> 00:34:30,911 And the room started going like this. 566 00:34:31,002 --> 00:34:33,380 That room started to turn. 567 00:34:33,438 --> 00:34:35,611 And the room got out of control from the operators. 568 00:34:35,673 --> 00:34:37,914 And there was no way we were stopping it. 569 00:34:37,975 --> 00:34:39,511 It rolled all the way over 570 00:34:39,577 --> 00:34:41,579 because the weight of the blood went to the wrong side of the ceiling. 571 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:44,125 And we were up there 572 00:34:44,182 --> 00:34:46,287 jumping out of the way of 573 00:34:46,350 --> 00:34:48,193 cables and ropes that were ripping out. 574 00:34:48,286 --> 00:34:53,099 Water went into all the lights and there were these huge flashes in the dark, and we were spinning in the dark 575 00:34:53,157 --> 00:34:54,192 (laughing) with sparks going off. 576 00:34:54,292 --> 00:34:56,033 And the wall had a window in it. 577 00:34:56,094 --> 00:34:59,200 And, of course, the blood all poured out the window on us, 578 00:34:59,263 --> 00:35:02,335 so the crew that was turning the room is standing there completely covered in blood. 579 00:35:02,433 --> 00:35:07,678 So, the room stopped upside dovm and we were hanging upside dovm for at least 20 minutes. 580 00:35:07,738 --> 00:35:12,949 Caused Jacques to make noises that no man should ever have to make unless he's actually dying. 581 00:35:13,044 --> 00:35:13,852 Itwas pretty funny, though. 582 00:35:13,978 --> 00:35:15,514 (laughing) 583 00:35:15,646 --> 00:35:17,922 No one was hurt, we got the shot. 584 00:35:18,049 --> 00:35:21,622 It just came out so totally cool. So, pan of the reason 585 00:35:21,686 --> 00:35:22,721 that that effect looks like that 586 00:35:22,820 --> 00:35:25,528 is because of this fortuitous mistake. 587 00:35:25,590 --> 00:35:27,365 I think there was a little bit more to John ny Depp's 588 00:35:27,458 --> 00:35:29,734 bloody room scene. 589 00:35:29,827 --> 00:35:32,933 I guess his head was going to come out of the bed once he gets sucked down in there 590 00:35:32,997 --> 00:35:34,670 and it spits him back out. 591 00:35:34,732 --> 00:35:37,303 Actually, I remember it was pretty scary. I don't know why it was cut. 592 00:35:37,368 --> 00:35:39,348 At a certain point, you felt like, "Well, the scene's over." 593 00:35:39,403 --> 00:35:42,441 We did use the room again 594 00:35:42,507 --> 00:35:45,351 in "Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo." 595 00:35:45,409 --> 00:35:48,390 "Booby Traps and Improvised Anti-Personnel Devices?" 596 00:35:48,446 --> 00:35:53,259 I had read this Army manual called "Improvised Weapons" 597 00:35:53,317 --> 00:35:55,820 and it was all about how to make booby traps. 598 00:35:55,887 --> 00:36:00,666 Every one of those little gags and all those things were things that came out of either somebody's 599 00:36:00,725 --> 00:36:02,500 imagination 600 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,507 or we got from one of the books on doing booby traps. 601 00:36:05,563 --> 00:36:08,737 (laughing) There were several films that I did that had booby traps. 602 00:36:08,799 --> 00:36:11,245 I just thought they were fun. 603 00:36:11,402 --> 00:36:13,678 After a while I just said, (laughing) "You can't have any more booby traps, Craven." 604 00:36:13,771 --> 00:36:18,720 The whole sequence of Freddy getting lit up in the cellar- 605 00:36:18,776 --> 00:36:20,881 turning, running up the stairs, 606 00:36:20,945 --> 00:36:23,016 falling down, rolling back dovm the stairs - 607 00:36:23,147 --> 00:36:24,649 is all one shot. 608 00:36:24,749 --> 00:36:25,750 That was one take. 609 00:36:25,816 --> 00:36:28,092 And I wouldn't have believed that anybody 610 00:36:28,186 --> 00:36:31,793 could burn for that long and then get up and start back up the stairs again. 611 00:36:31,889 --> 00:36:33,095 We were just standing there in awe. 612 00:36:33,191 --> 00:36:37,833 The scene where my mom gets pulled dowrn into the bed in the fiery blaze of light, 613 00:36:37,895 --> 00:36:40,637 of all the scenes in the movie, it's the most fantastic. 614 00:36:40,698 --> 00:36:42,234 You have Freddy, you have my mother, 615 00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:42,869 you have my dad, you have me, 616 00:36:42,934 --> 00:36:45,278 and nothing really makes sense at this point. 617 00:36:45,369 --> 00:36:48,316 "I take back every bit of energy I gave you." 618 00:36:48,406 --> 00:36:54,823 What the ending of the original "Nightmare on Elm Street" means, symbolically with Nancy turning her back on Freddy, is 619 00:36:54,879 --> 00:36:57,621 "I won't participate in fear." 620 00:36:57,682 --> 00:36:59,252 The fear that Freddy engenders. 621 00:36:59,350 --> 00:37:02,490 It's a very simple solution to all this mayhem. 622 00:37:02,553 --> 00:37:05,397 Nancy realizes that that's how you stop it 623 00:37:05,456 --> 00:37:10,735 is not to surrender to it. So that's actually, I think, a very satisfying ending. 624 00:37:10,928 --> 00:37:18,642 It's a confusing scene because with the ending that we now have, it doesn't quite make sense. If I turn my back and 625 00:37:18,703 --> 00:37:23,982 and that was supposed to be a successful resolution, then the fact that Freddy comes back means I failed. 626 00:37:24,075 --> 00:37:28,649 We were uncertain about the ending. We didn't really feel like we had it right. 627 00:37:28,713 --> 00:37:33,856 Wes wanted the ending to be that Heather woke up in the morning and the sun was shining and she walked away. 628 00:37:33,951 --> 00:37:39,526 He wanted to have a big hook to the picture so that he could have a sequel. 629 00:37:39,624 --> 00:37:43,401 And I thought he was crazy. There will never be a sequel. Boy, was I stupid. 630 00:37:43,527 --> 00:37:46,838 I've been accused of fighting for a movie that could have sequels 631 00:37:46,897 --> 00:37:48,638 but that wasn't really the case. I just felt that 632 00:37:48,699 --> 00:37:51,771 the ending to the movie didn't send the audience out 633 00:37:51,869 --> 00:37:54,850 with any great excitement. 634 00:37:54,939 --> 00:37:56,885 He and I had lots of arguments. 635 00:37:56,974 --> 00:38:00,854 I even think my father got involved. (laughing) They were asking his opinion. 636 00:38:00,945 --> 00:38:03,118 I said, "Okay, fine I'll put them in a car 637 00:38:03,180 --> 00:38:04,420 and we'll have the car have Freddy's stripes. 638 00:38:04,515 --> 00:38:11,364 They asked us to do three or four different versions of different things happening surrounding the car. 639 00:38:11,489 --> 00:38:12,968 There always was this sense 640 00:38:13,024 --> 00:38:14,935 that Freddy was the car. 641 00:38:15,026 --> 00:38:18,269 We ended up shooting two or three different endings. 642 00:38:18,329 --> 00:38:20,673 There was one Wnere I drive the car. 643 00:38:20,731 --> 00:38:22,039 There was one where Johnny drives the car. 644 00:38:22,133 --> 00:38:25,512 We shot it without the top coming up, we shot it with the top coming up. 645 00:38:25,603 --> 00:38:29,107 The irony is that we used all of the endings, just about. 646 00:38:29,206 --> 00:38:34,713 But it was always Wes' idea to pan to the little ginsjumping rope, 647 00:38:34,779 --> 00:38:37,055 which is such an evocative ending. 648 00:38:37,114 --> 00:38:38,889 That's the real ending and it's brilliant. 649 00:38:38,949 --> 00:38:42,897 But he did get his hook. We kind of compromised on the hook. 650 00:38:42,953 --> 00:38:44,193 (screaming) 651 00:38:44,288 --> 00:38:48,862 The effect with Ronee works great on film, but When we shot it, it was really silly shit. (laughing) 652 00:38:48,993 --> 00:38:50,631 It was just so comical looking. 653 00:38:50,728 --> 00:38:53,231 I couldn't figure out how they did it, so I thought it was totally cool. 654 00:38:53,297 --> 00:38:57,473 We had an articulated dummy that we used for several different things in the film, 655 00:38:57,535 --> 00:38:58,912 and so we just dressed it up as Renee. 656 00:38:58,969 --> 00:39:03,247 It had to be all very squishy 'cause he wanted it to go through a window. 657 00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:07,346 And the dummy went (swooshing) and was sucked through the window. (laughing) 658 00:39:07,411 --> 00:39:13,293 it worked well enough, there's no question about that, but, you know, when you see it today it's a little silly. But, so what? 659 00:39:13,384 --> 00:39:18,384 I felt actually very bad about doing that, but I also felt very much that Bob was the only person 660 00:39:19,256 --> 00:39:25,104 that was able to get this picture going and championed it, so I gave him his hook. 661 00:39:25,162 --> 00:39:28,575 I look at the entire film "Nightmare on Elm Street" 662 00:39:28,799 --> 00:39:30,938 as a precognitive nightmare of Nancy. 663 00:39:31,035 --> 00:39:37,543 Everything in it will happen, but it hasn't really happened, she's just dreamt that it's going to happen and she's trying to 664 00:39:37,641 --> 00:39:39,678 wam everybody. And then it begins 665 00:39:39,810 --> 00:39:40,948 at the very ending there. 666 00:39:41,078 --> 00:39:45,754 (singing) "...three, four, better lock your door..." 667 00:39:45,850 --> 00:39:53,598 Before I came on "Nightmare on Elm Street" the little jump rope nursery rhyme thing had been worked out. 668 00:39:53,691 --> 00:39:56,638 (Singing) "One, two, Freddy's coming for you..." 669 00:39:56,694 --> 00:39:58,731 (humming) 670 00:39:58,796 --> 00:40:03,245 which was set to this little nursery rhyme that I had written, but I had no idea of how that could be set to music. 671 00:40:03,334 --> 00:40:06,872 And I think it was Heather's boyfriend who came up with that little rhyme. 672 00:40:06,937 --> 00:40:12,148 My boyfriend was a musician. We were just sitting around the piano one time and he sat down 673 00:40:12,243 --> 00:40:15,622 and he just did this little minor key thing. 674 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:22,654 And I kept that element and kind of worked it into the score in a few places because it seemed to be important, 675 00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:23,630 and I'm sewing the film. 676 00:40:23,721 --> 00:40:29,865 If you can get just the right musical phrase and then play it a million different ways, and backwards and upside dovm and 677 00:40:29,927 --> 00:40:31,873 different instrumentation, it unifies the entire film. 678 00:40:31,962 --> 00:40:36,138 And then I thought, "Let's have a theme. 679 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,737 Let's get a melody involved here." 680 00:40:38,803 --> 00:40:44,446 (Playing piano) 681 00:40:44,508 --> 00:40:49,508 So, the melody is playing with your sense of order (playing piano), maybe we go to there (playing piano), 682 00:40:56,921 --> 00:40:59,697 and another note that doesn't belong (playing piano). 683 00:40:59,757 --> 00:41:04,297 That theme really created the flavor for the film. 684 00:41:04,395 --> 00:41:09,538 When "ANightmare on Elm Street" was rejected by every major Hollywood studio, 685 00:41:09,633 --> 00:41:15,743 Robert Shaye and New Line Cinema took the ultimate gamble by releasing the film on their OWH. 686 00:41:15,806 --> 00:41:22,951 And on November 9, 1984, all eyes watched to see if that bet would pay off. 687 00:41:23,047 --> 00:41:27,517 The film could have, literally, destroyed the company, 688 00:41:27,518 --> 00:41:33,127 and, so, there was a lot of tension around that during the release of the film. 689 00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:34,963 When the film open ed 690 00:41:35,025 --> 00:41:37,562 to see this huge line around the block on Broadway 691 00:41:37,628 --> 00:41:41,735 of people waiting to get into the theater, then I knew that the fuse had been lit. 692 00:41:41,832 --> 00:41:46,838 I took my son, who was 12. We sat and watched it. 693 00:41:46,904 --> 00:41:51,910 My son nudged me and said, "Pop, this is really good." And I said, "Yeah, I think it is, it really is." 694 00:41:52,042 --> 00:41:57,583 Completely scared me. I think I was enough removed from it that I got lost in the story. 695 00:41:57,715 --> 00:42:00,195 Even though I worked on the film, there were parts that scared me. 696 00:42:00,317 --> 00:42:02,524 It got into your bones on some level. 697 00:42:02,653 --> 00:42:07,653 That's why Wes is so good at this. He really loves to explore the psychology of people's minds 698 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,467 and understands that fear is one of the most important emotions that people have. 699 00:42:13,631 --> 00:42:18,239 The fact that "Nightmare on Elm Street" was a critical success and a financial success 700 00:42:18,302 --> 00:42:21,408 helped me immensely. When I started on the film I was penniless. 701 00:42:21,572 --> 00:42:26,681 It was the first film that made that amount of money for us. I mean it wasnt like hundreds of millions of dollars, 702 00:42:26,810 --> 00:42:28,448 but it was a few million anyhow. 703 00:42:28,512 --> 00:42:30,253 It put New Line Cinema on the map. 704 00:42:30,381 --> 00:42:39,199 To think that it was such a big financial issue that a company's life depended on less than $2 million -- that's pretty amazing. 705 00:42:39,323 --> 00:42:45,797 I think "Nightmare on Elm Street" put me into the big time, so to speak. I mean, it certainly gave me recognition. 706 00:42:45,896 --> 00:42:50,936 Wes became "Horror Meister" Wes Craven and I became "Horror Star," 707 00:42:51,001 --> 00:42:53,003 "Slasher Star“ Robert Englund. 708 00:42:53,103 --> 00:42:57,779 It had already achieved a cult status very quickly, and very shortly 709 00:42:57,908 --> 00:43:00,616 after that it began to snowball. 710 00:43:00,778 --> 00:43:06,490 "1" was the real seminal movie and it still has some really genius scenes in it. 711 00:43:06,617 --> 00:43:10,121 And I think I did some things that were really innovative 712 00:43:10,187 --> 00:43:17,628 and have had the chance to work with some enormously talented and wonderfully spirited people. 713 00:43:17,695 --> 00:43:20,141 And it doesn't get much better than that in the business. 714 00:43:33,344 --> 00:43:40,922 Aiter their first taste of mainstream success, New Line Cinema immediately realized it was time to think about Freddy's future 715 00:43:41,051 --> 00:43:42,758 and the "Nightmare" they now owned. 716 00:43:42,820 --> 00:43:48,327 I don't think that we were thinking about a sequel. Who knew that it would even be this successful? We didn't know. 717 00:43:48,459 --> 00:43:51,030 After the film opened so big on the weekend 718 00:43:51,128 --> 00:43:55,543 the head of distribution went right in to Bob Shaye and said, "We need a sequel." 719 00:43:55,633 --> 00:43:59,638 We weren't calculatedly trying to capitalize on the thing, 720 00:43:59,703 --> 00:44:05,278 we just, this was the only project we had that had sequel potential. 721 00:44:05,342 --> 00:44:13,523 Bob Sh aye had basically leveraged his ass off on the first one. He'd sold all the rights off to get the movie made. 722 00:44:13,684 --> 00:44:20,067 The other entity, the other financial entity, I think, just kind of crucified him and took a lot ofvmat he had. 723 00:44:20,257 --> 00:44:25,104 So that when "Nightmare on Elm Street" the original made a healthy profit 724 00:44:25,162 --> 00:44:28,632 it wasn't really a profit that went into Bob's pockets, nor did it really help his studio. 725 00:44:28,766 --> 00:44:33,806 What Bob came away with was a copyright on something that could be very, very valuable. 726 00:44:33,937 --> 00:44:38,937 And New Line was always stumbling fl'om one distribution movie to another distribution movie, 727 00:44:40,411 --> 00:44:43,949 and, so, this was a chance to be able to create a little bit of cash flow. 728 00:44:44,081 --> 00:44:48,291 The signal definitely was there that, "I own this and I'm gonna do with it what I want." 729 00:44:48,419 --> 00:44:51,923 Wes didn't want this movie to be a franchise. 730 00:44:52,056 --> 00:44:55,128 I didn't want to keep going on something that was owned by somebody else. 731 00:44:55,292 --> 00:44:59,035 I don't think that there was a real conversation about Wes doing "Nightmare 2" 732 00:44:59,229 --> 00:45:05,771 because he and Bob had such a stressed relationship. It was a longtime before, I think, they spoke to each other. 733 00:45:05,903 --> 00:45:13,720 The bone of contention really was a profit participation and not so much about having the courtesy to offer him 734 00:45:13,777 --> 00:45:14,847 to direct the next movie. 735 00:45:14,978 --> 00:45:19,017 So, we ended up going to a young man, David Chaskin, 736 00:45:19,083 --> 00:45:23,554 who worked in our 16mm distribution department, (laughing) but he had written a script that we'd 737 00:45:23,620 --> 00:45:24,325 option ed because we liked it. 738 00:45:24,455 --> 00:45:28,835 I just thought that it would be fun for 739 00:45:28,892 --> 00:45:31,498 Freddy to have a human avatar 740 00:45:31,562 --> 00:45:35,669 that's actually doing stuff in the real world. That was where I took ofifrom: 741 00:45:35,799 --> 00:45:36,504 possession. 742 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:42,414 I thought the script was quite inferior and I had a lot of notes. And they said, "We just want to shoot this," so off they went. 743 00:45:42,506 --> 00:45:46,318 A good friend of mine, Jack Sh older, agreed to direct the film. 744 00:45:46,443 --> 00:45:51,017 Jack Sholder had been making trailers for us and he was very talented. 745 00:45:51,081 --> 00:45:53,561 One of our first films that we ever produced 746 00:45:53,617 --> 00:45:57,394 he directed, called "Alone in the Dark." 747 00:45:57,454 --> 00:46:04,099 Jack was pretty good technically. He had come out of editing, so he knew how to tell stories. 748 00:46:04,161 --> 00:46:06,732 I was never a huge fan of the original. 749 00:46:06,797 --> 00:46:09,141 I mean, I understood why it was good 750 00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:12,009 and I understood why it was successful, 751 00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:18,042 but I felt no compunction to follow the template of the first film. 752 00:46:18,208 --> 00:46:23,749 I wasn't asked to do "Nightmare 2." I think that the script was probably developed quickly afler "Nightmare 1." 753 00:46:23,881 --> 00:46:28,523 To my knowledge, nobody ever talked about bringing Heather Ian genkamp back 754 00:46:28,585 --> 00:46:35,332 to do "Nightmare 2" simply because I think they had determined, at that point, to do a completely different story. 755 00:46:35,492 --> 00:46:38,530 And, you know, that house was so iconic, 756 00:46:38,595 --> 00:46:41,940 that it made a lot of sense to focus on the house and the next inhabitants of that house. 757 00:46:42,099 --> 00:46:44,773 There was a problem with Robert 758 00:46:44,835 --> 00:46:47,213 because Robert's agent started getting wise. 759 00:46:47,371 --> 00:46:50,648 I was already feeling ownership 760 00:46:50,707 --> 00:46:52,277 of Freddy by then. 761 00:46:52,442 --> 00:46:58,256 They were asking all kinds of money that we didn't have and we were certainly in a dither about what to do. 762 00:46:58,382 --> 00:47:05,129 And Bob Shaye said, "Why do we need to have Robert Englund? Because it's just a guy in a rubber mask." 763 00:47:05,189 --> 00:47:07,760 They didn't even know that Freddy was the franchise. 764 00:47:07,958 --> 00:47:14,705 We started "Nightmare on Elm Street Part 2" with an extra in a rubber suit and mask. 765 00:47:14,765 --> 00:47:18,008 And he was just atrocious. He would walk like a 766 00:47:18,068 --> 00:47:20,048 dime store monster. He would sort of hunker around. 767 00:47:20,137 --> 00:47:21,946 Moving around like Frankenstein, 768 00:47:22,072 --> 00:47:23,050 going like this. 769 00:47:23,173 --> 00:47:25,175 He was just terrible, terrible. 770 00:47:25,275 --> 00:47:29,312 Jack said to Bob, "You're a fool if you use anybody else besides Robert." 771 00:47:29,313 --> 00:47:33,182 So, by him saying that, I think eany on, to Bob Shaye 772 00:47:33,183 --> 00:47:33,593 I think that kind of helped me. 773 00:47:33,717 --> 00:47:37,290 It really proved to everyone that it's not just a guy in a rubber mask. 774 00:47:37,454 --> 00:47:40,663 Casting "Nightmare 2" was 775 00:47:40,724 --> 00:47:42,032 a fascinating experience. 776 00:47:42,125 --> 00:47:45,902 We really were looking for the best actors, period. 777 00:47:46,063 --> 00:47:55,177 "Closer angle - the boy, about 17, four-eyes, bad skin, lousy posture and an obvious inferiority complex." 778 00:47:55,239 --> 00:48:00,239 I was cast as Jesse in the lead role in "Nightmare on Elm Street Pan 2" 779 00:48:01,111 --> 00:48:04,684 after auditioning for the first "Nightmare on Elm Street" forWes Craven. 780 00:48:04,815 --> 00:48:07,489 I knew who Mark Patton was from 781 00:48:07,551 --> 00:48:11,761 "Come Back to the Five & Dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean." I'd seen that and I just thought he was wonderful in that. 782 00:48:11,922 --> 00:48:15,426 He had a real kind of vulnerability about him that I liked. 783 00:48:15,492 --> 00:48:19,463 Brad Pitt and Christian Slater also came in to read for the role 784 00:48:19,529 --> 00:48:20,701 and I had no idea who they were. 785 00:48:20,831 --> 00:48:25,280 How many famous people I actually rejected in favor of Mark Patton. 786 00:48:25,335 --> 00:48:29,647 "Ronny Grady, a tou gh-looking wise-ass type, steps up to the plate." 787 00:48:29,773 --> 00:48:29,805 ' 788 00:48:29,806 --> 00:48:32,787 The last day of filming "Weird Science" 789 00:48:32,843 --> 00:48:36,450 was the day I had an audition for "Nightmare 2." 790 00:48:36,513 --> 00:48:39,926 Robert Dovmey Jr. gave me a ride to my audition 791 00:48:39,983 --> 00:48:42,486 and Mark and I went in and we read together 792 00:48:42,552 --> 00:48:43,724 and they hired us on the spot. 793 00:48:43,820 --> 00:48:49,964 Robert Rusler and I were allowed to sit in on the casting of the girl, for the lead, for Lisa. 794 00:48:50,127 --> 00:48:57,978 "Jesse opens the front door to Lisa Poletti. Real pretty, with an intelligence and sweetness about her. She is truly lovely." 795 00:48:58,035 --> 00:49:00,481 The bond that Mark and I had 796 00:49:00,537 --> 00:49:03,108 really began from the time we met. 797 00:49:03,173 --> 00:49:05,779 There was just an easy quality in how we related. 798 00:49:05,909 --> 00:49:08,651 I just loved her from the minute I met her. She was adorable. 799 00:49:08,812 --> 00:49:10,519 It was her first, you know, big break. 800 00:49:10,614 --> 00:49:17,054 We auditioned her and we cast her simply based on her talent. 801 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,726 And the fact that she looked like Meryl Streep. 802 00:49:19,856 --> 00:49:27,240 "Kerry, a dizzy, Bloomingdale's-punk, steps up alongside Lisa as the latter catches Jesse's stare." 803 00:49:27,297 --> 00:49:30,210 The reason I love this movie is that it changed my life. 804 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,346 I had a ticket to go back to NewYom, 805 00:49:32,469 --> 00:49:39,478 move back to New York and be done with Hollywood and they cast me in the movie. And it was like the deciding thing 806 00:49:39,543 --> 00:49:41,386 of me staying here, and I never left. 807 00:49:41,545 --> 00:49:43,923 And then it was just off and running, it was ofiand running. 808 00:49:44,081 --> 00:49:45,924 The first big gag was the scene 809 00:49:45,983 --> 00:49:49,897 when the bus is hurtling through the burnt out desert. 810 00:49:50,053 --> 00:49:52,556 Jesse was this nerdy outcast 811 00:49:52,622 --> 00:49:55,228 and Freddy is taking over 812 00:49:55,292 --> 00:49:57,670 and about to take him for this ride. 813 00:49:57,728 --> 00:50:00,004 The whole movie is the ride that Freddy takes him through. 814 00:50:00,163 --> 00:50:04,873 We had this mechanical bus up on a thing and it would tilt back and forth 815 00:50:04,935 --> 00:50:06,676 and we got into the bus. 816 00:50:06,737 --> 00:50:12,710 And at, one point, there wasn't a whole lot of acting for me going on 'cause we were getting jostled all over the place 817 00:50:12,776 --> 00:50:20,194 At one point, it was, like, "Wham!" and I slam my nose on the fiont of the bar and the rest of the day I was in such pain I was screaming and crying. 818 00:50:20,250 --> 00:50:22,662 Robert was very into it, which is great. You need that, you know. 819 00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,325 It's great to feed off of. For me, I love that. 820 00:50:25,389 --> 00:50:28,393 For the first one, you didn't see anything of Freddy. 821 00:50:28,458 --> 00:50:31,064 I mean, you saw him in the shadows, he barely said a word. 822 00:50:31,128 --> 00:50:36,134 We tried to make Freddy a little more talkative. 823 00:50:36,266 --> 00:50:39,713 Freddy got more vocal, his character got more dimensionalized. 824 00:50:39,870 --> 00:50:43,181 "We got special work to do here, you and me." 825 00:50:43,340 --> 00:50:46,287 At the time, horror movie villains -- 826 00:50:46,343 --> 00:50:48,789 Jason, Michael Myers -- they didn't talk. 827 00:50:48,845 --> 00:50:49,755 Freddy talked. 828 00:50:49,913 --> 00:50:52,393 He had a certain black sense of humor. 829 00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:57,294 David Miller started off doing the special makeup effects for Freddy Krueger 830 00:50:57,354 --> 00:51:04,329 and did a brilliant job. So brilliant, I guess, that when we came in to do the sequel, we decided to bring another guy in. 831 00:51:04,528 --> 00:51:11,969 I just didn't have time to do another "Nightmare on Elm Street." I just finished the other one and I thought, "Okay, time to move on." 832 00:51:12,135 --> 00:51:15,582 We got another guy, Kevin Yagher, who we'd worked with in the past. 833 00:51:15,705 --> 00:51:22,213 Dave Miller and I just spoke at the very beginning about basically passing on the torch, passing the baton to me. 834 00:51:22,279 --> 00:51:25,886 There's a big myth that we have a big rivalry going and all that stuff, 835 00:51:26,016 --> 00:51:29,259 'cause he stole Freddy and all that. It's not like that at all. 836 00:51:29,319 --> 00:51:30,953 They didn't know what they had 837 00:51:30,954 --> 00:51:36,063 in "Nightmare on Elm Street 1," they had no idea what kind ofhit it was going to be, so they barely took any photographs. 838 00:51:36,126 --> 00:51:43,669 Kevin had a really hard time just trying to figure out what was going on on the face. It was like, "What is all this? I can't figure it out." 839 00:51:43,867 --> 00:51:49,340 I wanted to give it bone structure. I wanted to give it cheekbones and kind of make it 840 00:51:49,406 --> 00:51:51,249 more like a male witch. You know, give it a hook nose. 841 00:51:51,374 --> 00:51:57,586 I had convinced Bob Shaye to change Freddy's eyes from Robert Englund's normal green eyes to these sort of 842 00:51:57,647 --> 00:52:00,321 demonic, red and yellow/amber-colored eyes. 843 00:52:00,383 --> 00:52:04,923 There was something odd about it and it fits in fine, it actually worked. 844 00:52:04,988 --> 00:52:07,161 "What that boy needs is a good goddamn kick in the butt." 845 00:52:07,257 --> 00:52:16,177 The parents in a horror movie usually don't get to be up front and center and doing really cool thin gs. 846 00:52:16,233 --> 00:52:18,235 They're usually in sort of reactive roles. 847 00:52:18,368 --> 00:52:21,440 It's very dangerous being a male actor in motion pictures. 848 00:52:22,372 --> 00:52:24,784 As I discovered, repairing a home 849 00:52:24,875 --> 00:52:26,081 is equally dangerous. 850 00:52:28,378 --> 00:52:37,924 One of my favorite moments in Nightmare's sophisticated mechanical effects history, was the parakeet on a stick. 851 00:52:38,054 --> 00:52:40,933 There was a scene in mmich the father 852 00:52:40,991 --> 00:52:43,028 was attacked by a bird in the living room. 853 00:52:43,093 --> 00:52:45,300 I think that was a reference to the movie "The Birds." 854 00:52:45,462 --> 00:52:54,212 The birds are the first ones to react to, like in a mine, they react to the gas, that was basically the concept. That the bird 855 00:52:54,271 --> 00:52:57,343 was the warning signal of Freddy coming. 856 00:52:57,407 --> 00:53:00,854 So we built this demonic parakeet and itwas demonic, I'll tell ya. 857 00:53:00,911 --> 00:53:03,858 It was oversized, it had a rod coming out of its butt 858 00:53:03,914 --> 00:53:05,985 and it could flap its wings and move its head. 859 00:53:06,049 --> 00:53:08,689 I think it didn't get used because it wasn't parakeet-like enough. 860 00:53:08,952 --> 00:53:13,799 The physical effects guy was a guy named Dick Albain, he was an old-timer. 861 00:53:14,224 --> 00:53:19,867 When I interviewed him I asked him what he felt his greatest work was and he thought a minute and he said, 862 00:53:19,930 --> 00:53:22,604 "I think the work I did with the Three Stooges' 863 00:53:22,666 --> 00:53:24,009 was my greatest work." 864 00:53:24,067 --> 00:53:26,104 So that probably should have given me pause. 865 00:53:26,236 --> 00:53:33,051 He had this big long stick with this invisible fishing cord tied to this prosthetic bird and 866 00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:35,350 he would wave it back and forth in front of my face. 867 00:53:35,412 --> 00:53:36,652 He wanted it to attack. 868 00:53:36,813 --> 00:53:39,919 The parakeet was not exactly what I had in mind. 869 00:53:39,983 --> 00:53:42,964 It was one of those things that we just did in five minutes. 870 00:53:43,019 --> 00:53:45,522 It just was so obvious that it wasn't going to work. 871 00:53:45,722 --> 00:53:50,000 And sure enough, it cracked right into my eye, scarred it. 872 00:53:50,227 --> 00:53:54,698 I don't know if Clu ever recovered from the parakeet scene. He's a little tweaked by it still. 873 00:53:54,898 --> 00:53:59,142 It scared the shit out of me. I was just petrified. 874 00:53:59,302 --> 00:54:04,274 It was a kind of a dopey scene. I mean, a lot of the scenes in the movie were. 875 00:54:04,341 --> 00:54:06,878 Any movie with Clu Gulager and an exploding bird, gotta be good. 876 00:54:07,110 --> 00:54:15,052 One of the film's many detours saw a role reversal that introduced audiences to a new kind of horror hero, 877 00:54:15,118 --> 00:54:18,930 bringing Freddy out of the boiler room, and most memorably, out of the closet. 878 00:54:18,989 --> 00:54:22,163 I think there was a certain amount of seduction going on between Freddy and Jesse. 879 00:54:22,225 --> 00:54:24,637 There always is a dance with Freddy. 880 00:54:24,694 --> 00:54:27,732 There always is a seduction, there always is a dare. 881 00:54:27,797 --> 00:54:35,045 And if Freddy was in fact what they always say Freddy was -- he was a pedophile, child killer -- sex meant nothing to him. 882 00:54:35,105 --> 00:54:37,176 All he wanted was me. 883 00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:38,913 Because I was the vehicle he was going to move through. 884 00:54:39,042 --> 00:54:44,458 Almost all the horror films of the '80s featured women as the protagonist 885 00:54:44,514 --> 00:54:47,051 and it's not hard to understand why. 886 00:54:47,117 --> 00:54:50,394 They were easier to portray as victims. 887 00:54:50,453 --> 00:54:54,959 It just made the sexual threat and the chemistry richer. 888 00:54:55,025 --> 00:54:59,030 But I think they had to have made "Nightmare on Elm Street Pan 2" to discover that. 889 00:54:59,162 --> 00:55:08,173 Because when you suddenly cast your male lead in the victim role, and then you have him scream like a gin for 90 minutes, 890 00:55:08,238 --> 00:55:15,383 you're going to have some people going, "Well, that's not the manliest performance I've ever seen." 891 00:55:15,445 --> 00:55:16,753 (screaming) 892 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,861 In fact, I may be the first male scream queen. 893 00:55:20,016 --> 00:55:26,558 I simply did not have the self-awareness to realize that any of this might be interpreted as gay. 894 00:55:26,723 --> 00:55:28,464 And I actually don't think that, originally, 895 00:55:28,625 --> 00:55:30,627 Jesse was written as a gay character. 896 00:55:30,794 --> 00:55:34,503 I think it's something that happened along the line by serendipity. 897 00:55:34,664 --> 00:55:38,942 I also had not the slightest idea that one of my lead actors was gay. 898 00:55:39,069 --> 00:55:46,385 The fact that Mark Patton was an openly gay actor I don't think had been revealed at that time yet. 899 00:55:46,443 --> 00:55:53,327 We made "Nightmare 2" absolutely clueless that it had any gay overtones whatsoever. 900 00:55:53,450 --> 00:55:58,331 I'm absolutely sure there's not one moment that I remember that it was discussed. 901 00:55:58,488 --> 00:55:59,728 I never saw it. 902 00:55:59,923 --> 00:56:00,731 I didn't get it. 903 00:56:00,890 --> 00:56:08,240 When I was shooting I had no notion this was happening. Although, I didn't get a blowjob on the set, if that's what you mean. 904 00:56:08,431 --> 00:56:09,705 But looking back, 905 00:56:12,769 --> 00:56:14,612 it was so gay, it was amazing. 906 00:56:14,804 --> 00:56:20,117 If you're called the "Homo Nightmare on Elm Street" on the net by a million pre-pubescent boys, 907 00:56:20,176 --> 00:56:23,282 'men a bunch of grown men had m know what may were doing.. 908 00:56:23,713 --> 00:56:30,756 All I can say is we were all incredibly naive or all incredibly latently gay. I'm not sure which. 909 00:56:30,820 --> 00:56:35,929 But I do think it remains one of the most sort of debated movies of all time because it's so, 910 00:56:35,992 --> 00:56:37,801 it's not even under the surface, it's so there. 911 00:56:37,961 --> 00:56:39,963 You know, we've always pussyfooted around this. 912 00:56:40,096 --> 00:56:45,512 Look, it was supposed to be subtext, alright, it really was. 913 00:56:45,668 --> 00:56:50,208 David Chaskin, without a doubt, knewvimat he was writing. 914 00:56:50,273 --> 00:56:53,652 You have to remember again, this was the 1980s, 915 00:56:53,710 --> 00:56:57,214 this was post-AIDS. People were really out a lot then... 916 00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,557 maybe not in Kansas, but certainly on both coasts. 917 00:57:00,617 --> 00:57:05,828 And I started thinking about guys being unsure of their sexuality 918 00:57:05,889 --> 00:57:08,233 and I thought, "Well, that's pretty scary." 919 00:57:08,291 --> 00:57:11,864 If David said that I am astounded, because I certainly didn't get it either. 920 00:57:11,928 --> 00:57:18,368 There was so much like S & M and this really precarious relationship 921 00:57:18,435 --> 00:57:21,006 between Mark Patton and I throughout the movie. 922 00:57:21,070 --> 00:57:24,449 It, you know, this is probably the "Top Gun" of franchise horror films. 923 00:57:24,507 --> 00:57:28,887 I kind of think there was this subliminal thing that was going on in Jack's mind 924 00:57:28,945 --> 00:57:34,293 where he didn't really realize it, but everything he did amplified it. 925 00:57:34,350 --> 00:57:37,297 You have a board game named "Probe" on it, 926 00:57:37,353 --> 00:57:40,266 he has a sign on the door that says "No Chicks Allowed." 927 00:57:40,323 --> 00:57:42,530 The production designer in the film was gay. 928 00:57:42,759 --> 00:57:47,003 And I think it became like an inside joke which they thought nobody would really pick up on. 929 00:57:47,063 --> 00:57:55,107 But in terms of the kinky gimmick of "Part 2," I think it's really interesting. 930 00:57:55,171 --> 00:57:57,117 Freddy appeals to that 931 00:57:57,173 --> 00:58:04,022 gay part that's like, the questions, he appeals to the questions that Jesse's asking himself. 932 00:58:04,147 --> 00:58:08,960 Freddy could represent the self-hatred, you know, in the gay community. He could also represent 933 00:58:09,018 --> 00:58:10,725 just the taunt. 934 00:58:10,820 --> 00:58:12,925 "You son of a bitch!" 935 00:58:13,022 --> 00:58:19,268 I think that Mark gave a really great performance because there were so many levels of his insecurities. 936 00:58:19,329 --> 00:58:21,605 And I think that's what I was doing in "Nightmare on Elm Street" 937 00:58:21,664 --> 00:58:24,076 is I was revealing who I really was, 938 00:58:24,133 --> 00:58:28,377 and I think that came clearly through the screen. 939 00:58:28,571 --> 00:58:33,281 The gayest thing in the movie, by the way, is Bob Shaye himself. 940 00:58:33,343 --> 00:58:39,157 Bob Shaye has always been a slightly fiustrated actor. He had wanted to play 941 00:58:39,215 --> 00:58:41,957 the father of Robert Rusler. 942 00:58:42,018 --> 00:58:49,493 I said, "I need a real actor to play that role." Bob got very offended by that and, at one point, 943 00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:50,799 he even threatened to fire me. 944 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:57,673 Jack could end up being a jerk from time to time and that uvas one of his jerkier episodes. 945 00:58:57,734 --> 00:59:03,343 I said, "Well, let me give you another role." So I thought, "Hey, I'll put him in this gay bar." 946 00:59:03,406 --> 00:59:07,013 Jack said, "Go to the Pleasure Chest 947 00:59:07,076 --> 00:59:09,283 and get yourself an outfit." 948 00:59:09,345 --> 00:59:13,122 So, I went to the Pleasure Chest and I happened to have my two young daughters with me, 949 00:59:13,283 --> 00:59:18,392 who were like 10 and 12 at the time. The guywho was the clerk was watching 950 00:59:18,454 --> 00:59:19,990 and my little daughter said, "Oh, there's a great 951 00:59:20,056 --> 00:59:26,496 ...thing to put on your arms with spikes and stuff," and "Here's a great T-shirt for you, Papa," and stuff like that. 952 00:59:26,563 --> 00:59:32,878 So the clerk comes over to me and he said, (laughing) "I think these children should wait outside while you 953 00:59:32,936 --> 00:59:34,472 purchase what you're going to be purchasing." (laughing) 954 00:59:34,537 --> 00:59:38,542 Bob Shaye looked darling in his leather costume. 955 00:59:38,608 --> 00:59:45,992 As the bartender. He was so sweet. And I want you to know that we all believed him. 956 00:59:46,149 --> 00:59:47,355 Hmm. 957 00:59:48,184 --> 00:59:49,060 (sighiflg) 958 00:59:50,887 --> 00:59:53,834 And then you have Coach Schneider's character. 959 00:59:53,890 --> 00:59:58,635 He, like the character of Jesse, had some secrets. 960 00:59:58,828 --> 01:00:02,207 I don't think Coach Schneiderwas ever a very good guy. 961 01:00:02,265 --> 01:00:06,736 I did direct a lot of the shower scene with Marshall Bell and, 962 01:00:06,803 --> 01:00:09,249 wow, what was I thinking? 963 01:00:09,305 --> 01:00:12,946 The Coach's balls being pan of the attack. 964 01:00:13,009 --> 01:00:17,822 I'm trying to think through whether or not there was something Freudian about that. 965 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:23,796 I love that scene in the movie. I mean, I don't care for Marshall Bell's ass, though. (laughing) 966 01:00:23,953 --> 01:00:28,163 I don't think it was my idea to snap Marshall's bare ass with towels. 967 01:00:28,224 --> 01:00:31,603 It's what I would've liked to have seen happen to my Phys. Ed. teacher in school. 968 01:00:31,661 --> 01:00:39,102 You get what you give in life and Coach Schneider was really good at giving and he wasn't really great at receiving. 969 01:00:39,168 --> 01:00:44,379 Read into it what you will, but I just thought it was a horror scene, 970 01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,920 which really makes me feel stupid. 971 01:00:48,878 --> 01:00:53,486 If there was one thing that I could delete from my filmography and my entire life, 972 01:00:53,549 --> 01:00:55,392 it would be that dance scene in my bedroom. 973 01:00:55,451 --> 01:00:57,931 I actually find that scene a little bit embarrassing. 974 01:00:58,087 --> 01:01:01,534 "Risky Business" had had this very successful scene with Tom Cruise. 975 01:01:01,591 --> 01:01:04,071 We were just riffing on that particular 976 01:01:04,127 --> 01:01:07,700 pop culture deal. It was some really 977 01:01:07,764 --> 01:01:09,334 uncool dance moves. 978 01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:10,543 Mark didn't want to do it. 979 01:01:10,700 --> 01:01:16,651 And Mark kept kind of postponing it and finally, when it came time getting closer to the scene, he said, 980 01:01:16,706 --> 01:01:21,177 "Look, I've got it all worked out, just roll the cameras and let it go and I'll 981 01:01:21,244 --> 01:01:23,246 give you a whole performance." 982 01:01:23,312 --> 01:01:27,590 And I'm going, "Oh God, this is not what I had in mind." (laughing) 983 01:01:27,650 --> 01:01:31,655 I understand the video was played in gay clubs a lot. 984 01:01:31,721 --> 01:01:34,133 It will go along forever and ever and ever 985 01:01:34,190 --> 01:01:37,865 and my butt will bouncing and I'll have that horrible hair and those hideous glasses. 986 01:01:37,927 --> 01:01:45,402 And, again, it was a choice. It was another one of those choices that really brought the subtext way up right in yourface. 987 01:01:45,468 --> 01:01:47,141 When the shit hits the fan, 988 01:01:47,336 --> 01:01:50,010 Jesse rejects his girlfriend to go and stay at the house 989 01:01:50,073 --> 01:01:50,642 with the best friend. 990 01:01:50,807 --> 01:01:53,845 "I need you to let me stay here tonight." "Are you out of your mind?" 991 01:01:54,010 --> 01:01:58,083 I can't believe that this particular line is written this way. 992 01:01:58,147 --> 01:02:02,391 "Something is trying to get inside my body." "And you want to sleep with me?" 993 01:02:03,886 --> 01:02:06,992 (laughing) Sounds like, "And you want to sleep with me." 994 01:02:07,123 --> 01:02:12,368 At that point I realized, you know, a lot of people are going to go down this road with these two boys. 995 01:02:12,428 --> 01:02:19,312 And you get the, one of the strangest, most symbolic scenes potentially, in horror history, 996 01:02:19,368 --> 01:02:20,972 as Freddy tears his way out ofJesse's body. 997 01:02:21,104 --> 01:02:25,450 I remember the screenplay said distinctly, "Freddy bursts out of Jesse." 998 01:02:25,508 --> 01:02:28,512 That's all it said. There was no description of what we're going to do. 999 01:02:28,778 --> 01:02:32,453 Mark Shostrom created those effects and he did a tremendous job. 1000 01:02:32,515 --> 01:02:35,325 And the effect of making the prosthesis 1001 01:02:35,384 --> 01:02:39,491 was very, very intense because you have to be buried alive basically. 1002 01:02:39,555 --> 01:02:42,798 My main memories of Mark was like kind of reassuring him 1003 01:02:42,859 --> 01:02:45,635 because he had to have some life masks done 1004 01:02:45,695 --> 01:02:48,232 that up until that time, I think, were maybe the best ones ever achieved. 1005 01:02:48,297 --> 01:02:51,540 We did everything involving Jesse. The main sequence was Freddy 1006 01:02:51,601 --> 01:02:53,080 breaking out of his body at the end. 1007 01:02:53,202 --> 01:02:58,379 It took us like 11 weeks to build everything forthis one sequence 1008 01:02:58,441 --> 01:03:01,581 and pretty much every cut of that is a different effect. 1009 01:03:01,644 --> 01:03:04,022 The different phases of the transformation 1010 01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,391 it was storyboarded, designed very specifically. 1011 01:03:07,450 --> 01:03:11,523 We designed several different concepts for Jesse's transformation. 1012 01:03:11,587 --> 01:03:13,498 The blades growing... the eye in the throat. 1013 01:03:13,556 --> 01:03:16,503 Probably a little too reminiscent of "American Werewolf in London? 1014 01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:18,766 We had a dummy head of Jesse's face... 1015 01:03:18,828 --> 01:03:20,865 which actually Kevin Yaghefs girlfriend 1016 01:03:20,930 --> 01:03:23,137 played Freddy's eye looking up at the back of the throat 1017 01:03:23,199 --> 01:03:27,477 because she had a head small enough to fit inside our dummy head. 1018 01:03:27,537 --> 01:03:32,111 I'd never seen anything like that. It was the most extraordinary thing I had ever seen. 1019 01:03:32,175 --> 01:03:34,553 In Grady's death, lthought 1020 01:03:34,610 --> 01:03:35,748 it came out really well. 1021 01:03:35,845 --> 01:03:40,521 I thought that I was gonna get a major prosthetic slash. 1022 01:03:40,583 --> 01:03:45,828 I wanted to see this mist of blood all over the place and we didn't quite get that. 1023 01:03:45,888 --> 01:03:48,095 We didn't have time to do... 1024 01:03:48,157 --> 01:03:50,364 proper makeup 1025 01:03:50,426 --> 01:03:54,841 and as an actor, you're like, "Well, wait a minute, you know, hook me up. 1026 01:03:54,897 --> 01:03:58,208 Let's do the mmole thing." I don't know how to explain it, 1027 01:03:58,267 --> 01:04:01,874 but the rhythm of the movie, wnen I die it stunned everybody. 1028 01:04:01,938 --> 01:04:10,358 There's a lot of "oohs" and "aahs" and abrupt screams, you know. And in that whole movie the whole theater was silent. 1029 01:04:10,413 --> 01:04:17,126 Despite its daring choices, the film prompted the biggest debate in the history of the franchise. 1030 01:04:17,186 --> 01:04:22,431 You know, everybody says that "Nightmare 2" kind of took a turn from the rest of the series, 1031 01:04:22,491 --> 01:04:24,767 but there was no rest of the series at the time. 1032 01:04:24,827 --> 01:04:25,532 I can remember 1033 01:04:25,595 --> 01:04:29,202 those awkward times on the set, it just didn't feel right already. 1034 01:04:29,365 --> 01:04:36,647 I remember really bringing up the script issues and saying, "This is really, really problematic. Especially the ending." 1035 01:04:36,706 --> 01:04:39,016 I do remember Freddy 1036 01:04:39,075 --> 01:04:40,110 coming out of a pool party and feeling like, "Oh my God." 1037 01:04:40,243 --> 01:04:44,714 Wes objected to the fact that Freddy appears when everybody's awake. 1038 01:04:44,780 --> 01:04:49,388 There are certain rules you don't break and in the Wes Craven Bible, we broke a couple of rules. 1039 01:04:49,452 --> 01:04:52,899 If he's out someplace, just out in the open and surrounded by big teenagers, 1040 01:04:52,955 --> 01:04:59,395 it's not going to have the power, you're just running up against the wall right away as a director to make that scary. 1041 01:04:59,462 --> 01:05:02,807 The pool sequence I remember. I think we were there for two weeks. 1042 01:05:02,865 --> 01:05:04,742 It was a lot of shooting. Chaos 1043 01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:06,040 and swimming and fire. 1044 01:05:06,168 --> 01:05:14,644 And I think there was more tension in terms of Jacques Haitkin just struggling all the time to make the film look good knowing 1045 01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:17,748 there were things like this pool party that just made absolutely no sense. 1046 01:05:17,813 --> 01:05:20,885 We were bound to some extent by the script. 1047 01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:25,194 New Line developed the script and we're hired to shoot pages. 1048 01:05:25,254 --> 01:05:27,894 We were all just basically trying to get the work done. 1049 01:05:27,957 --> 01:05:33,168 I do have a couple of bad memories of just going, "This isn't going to work, this scene. Why are we doing this scene?" 1050 01:05:33,229 --> 01:05:36,904 "You are all my children now." 1051 01:05:37,033 --> 01:05:43,279 "You're all my children now" I think, was the phrase he made up. He got into the character to the point Wnere the character 1052 01:05:43,339 --> 01:05:46,081 was telling him more about himself. 1053 01:05:46,142 --> 01:05:50,591 There comes a point when you're playing a character a lot When you know more about him than anybody else. 1054 01:05:50,646 --> 01:05:54,116 You just have this sixth sense about mmafs right and what's wrong. 1055 01:05:54,183 --> 01:06:03,592 What we were looking for at the end was to open up our film as much as we could in a movie that could not afford visual effects 1056 01:06:03,659 --> 01:06:05,969 or big map paintings or big sets. 1057 01:06:06,028 --> 01:06:08,907 Lisa confronts Freddy to save her boyfriend 1058 01:06:08,965 --> 01:06:09,807 to save Jesse. 1059 01:06:09,865 --> 01:06:15,076 We found spectacular iron foundry that is so incredibly huge 1060 01:06:15,137 --> 01:06:16,980 that we don't have enough lights to light it. 1061 01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:19,246 There was a scene involving a mutant rat 1062 01:06:19,308 --> 01:06:20,548 and a mutant cat. 1063 01:06:20,609 --> 01:06:24,421 And I have to be honest, because I was working on "Aliens" 1064 01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:28,986 I didn't pay too much attention and those didn't turn out too good. 1065 01:06:30,453 --> 01:06:32,455 The same thing with the dogs from hell, 1066 01:06:32,521 --> 01:06:34,398 you know, with the masks on. 1067 01:06:34,457 --> 01:06:37,336 I was imagining them a little more frightening. 1068 01:06:37,393 --> 01:06:41,364 I did a robotic life mask for the very end when I burn up in that. 1069 01:06:41,430 --> 01:06:42,909 This meltdown head that I built, 1070 01:06:42,965 --> 01:06:47,846 it was simple mechanisms with toothpicks and super glue and dental acrylic and it was just thrown together, 1071 01:06:47,903 --> 01:06:50,315 but, to me it was this big huge thing we were building. 1072 01:06:50,373 --> 01:06:54,913 Awax bust was put under hair dryers andjust melted. 1073 01:06:54,977 --> 01:06:59,187 So, he melted away and that was the only set up we had of that shot. 1074 01:06:59,248 --> 01:07:01,728 I save the hero. 1075 01:07:01,784 --> 01:07:05,630 Her character tumed out to be the backbone of the movie. 1076 01:07:05,688 --> 01:07:09,101 That's why she's the one that finally confronted Freddy and won. 1077 01:07:09,158 --> 01:07:14,540 The character of Jesse is, in theater and movies, a female pan. 1078 01:07:14,597 --> 01:07:17,703 I was the woman and Lisa was the man. 1079 01:07:17,767 --> 01:07:21,374 Ultimately, he finds love through a heterosexual encounter, 1080 01:07:21,437 --> 01:07:25,408 at the end, but they could just be good friends after that, I don't know. (laughing) 1081 01:07:25,574 --> 01:07:32,014 Lisa and Jesse could've been sort of the "Will and Grace" of the horror genre. 1082 01:07:32,148 --> 01:07:33,923 Then the coda comes, 1083 01:07:33,983 --> 01:07:35,690 you know, the famous Bob Shaye coda. 1084 01:07:35,751 --> 01:07:36,957 Back on the bus. 1085 01:07:37,019 --> 01:07:45,097 There was a guy underneath my chair with his hand basically up inside my shirt ready to go like this at the end of the movie. 1086 01:07:45,161 --> 01:07:48,074 "It's all over." 1087 01:07:48,130 --> 01:07:52,977 We didn't have a happy ending on "Nightmare 2" either, did we? We sent 'em off down on a bus to hell. 1088 01:07:53,035 --> 01:07:53,877 We kill 'em all. 1089 01:07:53,936 --> 01:07:55,745 I do believe that he survived. I don't think 1090 01:07:55,805 --> 01:07:58,809 they went off into the desert and burned him up or something. 1091 01:07:58,874 --> 01:08:00,717 He didn't go to Burning Man, let's put it that way. 1092 01:08:00,876 --> 01:08:05,347 Opening on November 1, 1985 to mixed reviews 1093 01:08:05,448 --> 01:08:10,193 Freddy proved his power at the box office with numbers that New Line could not ignore. 1094 01:08:10,286 --> 01:08:16,328 At that time sequels would make 60, 50% of what the original made, 1095 01:08:16,392 --> 01:08:19,635 so they were expecting that "Nightmare on Elm Street 2" 1096 01:08:19,795 --> 01:08:27,737 they were hoping it would do 70% of what the first one did. it ended up doing 150% ofwlwat the first one did. 1097 01:08:27,970 --> 01:08:33,613 "Nightmare on Elm Street" was sold out in every theater in New York for every show by 10:30 in the morning. 1098 01:08:33,676 --> 01:08:38,676 I don't think it was until after "Nightmare 2" came out and we started seeing these huge numbers 1099 01:08:40,082 --> 01:08:43,928 that they realized that they had a franchise. 1100 01:08:44,019 --> 01:08:48,695 You saw a man who suddenly opened up andjust was staring into the future 1101 01:08:48,757 --> 01:08:51,260 with the most shit-eating grin you ever saw. 1102 01:08:51,393 --> 01:08:59,210 "Nightmare on Elm Street 2" rocked Europe because they picked up on the whole psychosexual, homoerotic subtext. 1103 01:08:59,268 --> 01:09:01,111 They love that film in Europe. 1104 01:09:01,170 --> 01:09:06,170 I give New Line a lot of credit for the success of the series because what they were 1105 01:09:07,443 --> 01:09:10,890 willing to do was not just do the same thing over and over again. 1106 01:09:11,046 --> 01:09:15,683 It's pretty interesting that in that day and age, as a sequel to a pretty successful film, 1107 01:09:15,684 --> 01:09:18,987 that they went that direction and made those choices. Pretty ballsy. No pun intended. 1108 01:09:18,988 --> 01:09:24,438 I mean just to take the chances with the sequel that they did was bravery or stupidity. 1109 01:09:24,493 --> 01:09:30,739 We definitely earned our share of criticisms of pretty much everything from 1110 01:09:30,799 --> 01:09:35,179 the nature of the film to the execution of the film. 1111 01:09:35,237 --> 01:09:42,621 We were trying to do something different, something original that hadn't been done in the first one. it was clear that it didn't work as well. 1112 01:09:42,678 --> 01:09:46,057 It's always hard to do a sequel 'cause the first one'sjust so good. 1113 01:09:46,115 --> 01:09:52,532 The second one was not quite as pure. It was much more of a commercial piece. 1114 01:09:52,588 --> 01:10:01,804 I don't thinkWes communicated his displeasure with the thing to me directly, but I realized that soon afierwards that it was really a bad idea. (laughing) 1115 01:10:01,931 --> 01:10:08,541 it didn't have a unity to it, it just had a bunch of scenes, which I thinkthe worst of the sequels or the worst moments... 1116 01:10:08,604 --> 01:10:16,750 of the sequels, were just kind of striking scenes, but "overall" the story didn't often cohere very well. 1117 01:10:16,946 --> 01:10:23,454 I'm proud that I did the film. The film really was the film that gave me a career as a film director. 1118 01:10:23,519 --> 01:10:25,226 Jack knew what he was doing. 1119 01:10:25,287 --> 01:10:29,497 We found out his next film, "Hidden," an American classic. 1120 01:10:29,625 --> 01:10:34,506 Cracked Magazine sent me 'The 10 Gayest Horror Movies Ever Made,' 1121 01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:37,611 and "Nightmare on Elm Street 2" was #1. 1122 01:10:37,666 --> 01:10:39,043 That I wear like a badge of honor. 1123 01:10:39,201 --> 01:10:44,651 I'm so proud to be pan of that, (laughing) I really am. That makes me really happy. Cool. 1124 01:10:44,707 --> 01:10:47,654 The experience of making "Nightmare on Elm Street" was wonderful. 1125 01:10:47,710 --> 01:10:51,658 Even ifClu didn't get a blowjob (laughing) on the set. 1126 01:10:51,780 --> 01:10:58,288 One day I did discover a hand in my trousers, but I just thought, "Boys will be boys." (sighing) Hmm. 1127 01:11:09,565 --> 01:11:14,565 Aware of Freddy's potential, but dismayed by the lukewarm reception irom critics and fans alike, 1128 01:11:15,271 --> 01:11:22,246 New Line Cinema was determined to get their franchise back on track, by recruiting some old friends and some new blood. 1129 01:11:22,311 --> 01:11:26,191 "2" had its serious difficulties, 1130 01:11:26,248 --> 01:11:30,196 although it did well just based on the reputation 1131 01:11:30,252 --> 01:11:33,392 and the growing interest in this storyline 1132 01:11:33,455 --> 01:11:35,264 and particularly in Freddy. 1133 01:11:35,324 --> 01:11:37,895 Even though it was a successful film in terms of box offlce, 1134 01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:43,171 it was a great disappointment, so I thinkthere was a huge amount riding on what to do in "Nightmare 3." 1135 01:11:43,232 --> 01:11:48,978 On every "Nightmare" I would go back to Wes Craven and ask him if he was interested, so Wes wrote the 1136 01:11:49,038 --> 01:11:51,040 original script for "Nightmare 3." 1137 01:11:51,106 --> 01:11:56,249 I wanted to take it up to the next level. I felt like if I'm going to do another one I want it to be somehow better. 1138 01:11:56,312 --> 01:11:58,189 I came up with the idea and then 1139 01:11:58,247 --> 01:12:02,559 Bruce Wagner and I wrote, I think, a really interesting first draft. 1140 01:12:02,618 --> 01:12:04,291 It had a lot of good stuff in it 1141 01:12:04,353 --> 01:12:08,802 and I think Wes did less of the writing and Bruce did more. 1142 01:12:08,857 --> 01:12:11,360 I was just about to start shooting "Deadly Friend." 1143 01:12:11,427 --> 01:12:14,374 I'd go away into pre-production and Bruce would be (typing sound). 1144 01:12:14,430 --> 01:12:19,133 But it didn't quite work. it was a very ambitious script, but it didn't have 1145 01:12:19,134 --> 01:12:24,134 a lot of the human vulnerabilities and the characteristics we wanted. 1146 01:12:25,441 --> 01:12:32,051 There were no rules. Everybody could do everything. So it was just the kitchen sink thrown in and all the really 1147 01:12:32,114 --> 01:12:36,688 elemental, scary things that in "Nightmare 1" had worked so well, was just, 1148 01:12:36,752 --> 01:12:39,198 it felt like, "I'm just gonna throw a bunch of junk in 1149 01:12:39,254 --> 01:12:40,995 'k was good for mat it was.. 1150 01:12:41,056 --> 01:12:42,558 Wejust believed it needed more. 1151 01:12:42,624 --> 01:12:46,766 We were in the process of rewriting that script with Wes 1152 01:12:46,829 --> 01:12:50,333 when our producers at the time had met with 1153 01:12:50,399 --> 01:12:56,145 some young, smart up-an-coming writer-directors, Frank Darabont and Chuck Russell. 1154 01:12:56,205 --> 01:13:01,154 And they said, "Please hear their pitch. They have a great pitch. We thinkthis is the best way to go." 1155 01:13:01,210 --> 01:13:06,956 When I convinced Bob and Sara that Chuck was the guy, that he was going to be able to write a really good scnpt for it. 1156 01:13:07,049 --> 01:13:11,327 The whole series was in question. They really didn't know ifth ey wanted to continue, 1157 01:13:11,387 --> 01:13:15,836 so I was pushing the company itself. Let's make the third more fun, let's take 1158 01:13:15,891 --> 01:13:19,065 the boundaries of imagination a little bit further in the whole series. 1159 01:13:19,128 --> 01:13:23,508 I give Chuck complete credit for wrhat happen ed with the script in "Nightmare 3." -- he and Frank Darabont. 1160 01:13:23,565 --> 01:13:27,775 The original script to "Elm Street 3" was darker and 1161 01:13:27,836 --> 01:13:34,583 actually profane. I think Wes was trying to take it even into a more horrific place. 1162 01:13:34,643 --> 01:13:38,147 And I was much more interested in the imaginative element to the piece. 1163 01:13:38,213 --> 01:13:42,787 In fairness to the others who participated, Frank Darabont and his partner, 1164 01:13:42,851 --> 01:13:43,989 they did some great stuff to it. 1165 01:13:44,052 --> 01:13:47,056 And they changed the game completely. 1166 01:13:47,122 --> 01:13:50,160 But, the script came in and it's like, "Holy shit, this is huge." 1167 01:13:50,225 --> 01:13:53,001 This is like a $20 million script that nowwe have to make. 1168 01:13:53,061 --> 01:14:00,309 The budgets involved in the series, that was another limitation, but you know, that brings out the best in you. I think every filmmaker 1169 01:14:00,369 --> 01:14:04,374 has to kind of rise to the occasion when you start your career on a limited budget. 1170 01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:12,018 Despite Wes Craven's eany departure from the project, another familiar face would make a welcome return to Elm Street. 1171 01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:16,825 Bringing Nancy back was another hook that I thought was great for the series. 1172 01:14:16,885 --> 01:14:19,331 Wes Craven called me and asked if I would mind if he included 1173 01:14:19,388 --> 01:14:27,273 my character in a script he was writing for "Nightmare 3" and he gave me the basic idea ofhow she comes back 1174 01:14:27,329 --> 01:14:29,832 and is a psychologist for kids 1175 01:14:29,898 --> 01:14:31,969 who are having these terrible nightmares. 1176 01:14:32,034 --> 01:14:36,176 It took some convincing. She had other things going on in her life at the time, but she did a great job 1177 01:14:36,238 --> 01:14:40,846 and the character became a leader of sort of a new generation of "Elm Street" kids. 1178 01:14:40,943 --> 01:14:43,856 You've got this great gimmick of Heather as the binding element 1179 01:14:43,912 --> 01:14:46,688 Heathers the one that's been through it and can tell them all mmats going on 1180 01:14:46,782 --> 01:14:50,355 "You are the last of the Elm Street children." 1181 01:14:50,419 --> 01:14:54,993 The cast was just sensational, all these young actors were so good, 1182 01:14:55,057 --> 01:15:00,302 which made this particular film stand out from other horror films at the time. 1183 01:15:00,362 --> 01:15:08,304 "Kincaid, an enormous and powerful-looking 17-year-old with a shaved head is huddled in the corner of a white padded room." 1184 01:15:08,370 --> 01:15:13,370 It was a well-built, muscular guy and I looked in the mirror and looked at me and said, "Oh, hell no." So... (laughing) 1185 01:15:18,447 --> 01:15:22,793 But my agent talked me into going anyway. So I had to catch the bus and get to the audition. It was just pouring down rain, 1186 01:15:22,851 --> 01:15:26,196 it was running late and I was getting pissed. 1187 01:15:26,255 --> 01:15:32,763 So when I went in the director said, "Just do whatever you want to." 1188 01:15:32,828 --> 01:15:34,068 And I said, "Fuck you!" 1189 01:15:34,129 --> 01:15:37,667 And that's how I got it. I cussed his ass out. (laughing) 1190 01:15:37,733 --> 01:15:42,079 "Pan to Joey, a wan 16-year-old watching them fiom around the comer. 1191 01:15:42,137 --> 01:15:44,515 'He has a tear drop drawn in ink under one eye?' 1192 01:15:44,573 --> 01:15:46,575 In preparing for the role of Joey, 1193 01:15:46,642 --> 01:15:49,646 I had no lines until the very end of the script. 1194 01:15:49,711 --> 01:15:51,554 The characterwas completely mute. 1195 01:15:51,613 --> 01:15:54,719 Showing as much as I could with my eyes. 1196 01:15:54,783 --> 01:16:01,064 "Jennifer, a girl of 14, approaches. She extends her hand for inspection -- it is scarred with cigarette burns." 1197 01:16:01,123 --> 01:16:05,594 There wasn't a lot of rehearsal for the role. 1198 01:16:05,661 --> 01:16:09,131 That was something we all had to do on our ovm. 1199 01:16:09,197 --> 01:16:13,145 I just tried to connect with the emotional state of that character. 1200 01:16:13,201 --> 01:16:20,278 "Taryn, a 17-year-old girl, approaches. She appears exhausted, dark tired circles under her eyes." 1201 01:16:20,342 --> 01:16:26,122 How I approached the characterwas pretty much in the moment. 1202 01:16:26,181 --> 01:16:29,355 She has a drug problem. I think she has something hidden. 1203 01:16:29,418 --> 01:16:31,056 She has some kind of secret. 1204 01:16:31,119 --> 01:16:38,936 "All the kids of the Adolescent Care Unit are gathered: Kincaid, Phillip, Taryn, Joey, Jennifer, and VIflII, 1205 01:16:38,994 --> 01:16:42,237 a 17-year-old confined to an electric wheelchair." 1206 01:16:42,297 --> 01:16:46,006 I have to tell you, growing up I played so much Dungeons & Dragons, 1207 01:16:46,068 --> 01:16:50,073 I really felt secure with the aspect of the Wizard Master. 1208 01:16:50,138 --> 01:16:52,049 I mean, I was meant to play this role. 1209 01:16:52,107 --> 01:16:54,178 The cast member that stuck out to me was Patricia Arquette. 1210 01:16:54,242 --> 01:16:59,351 It was her first film. There was something so interesting and so haunting about her. 1211 01:16:59,414 --> 01:17:05,228 And I think that's always been a special gifi for her in her other work as well. 1212 01:17:05,287 --> 01:17:08,996 At least a third of the male cast fell in love with Patricia. 1213 01:17:09,057 --> 01:17:10,468 “Know Rodney' 1214 01:17:10,525 --> 01:17:12,368 was in love with Patricia. 1215 01:17:12,427 --> 01:17:13,838 I'm mean like lovelorn. 1216 01:17:13,895 --> 01:17:22,280 He had mad affection for Patricia Arqu ette, you know. He didn't talk in the film but his ass was talking off the film. (laughing) 1217 01:17:22,337 --> 01:17:28,344 It was so funny because they were all coming to me for advice, like, you know, I was dating her or something. 1218 01:17:28,410 --> 01:17:30,481 Nobody had a crush on me. 1219 01:17:30,545 --> 01:17:32,616 Everybody was in love with somebody else. 1220 01:17:32,681 --> 01:17:37,687 I think it also helped us off-set. We all became good friends. 1221 01:17:37,753 --> 01:17:39,994 I wanted to do something about 1222 01:17:40,055 --> 01:17:42,558 the bonding of kids at that age. 1223 01:17:42,624 --> 01:17:49,599 I think the beauty of the uvhole "Elm Street" series is that there's something the kids know that their parents don't believe. 1224 01:17:49,665 --> 01:17:54,665 In "Nightmare 1" and "3" Wes really explores why authority figures are trying the best they can and are failing. 1225 01:18:00,409 --> 01:18:06,257 At that time there was kind of a movement of such places that even advertised on television, 1226 01:18:06,314 --> 01:18:11,957 "Send us yourtroubled child and we'll make them okay." And, essentially, they were like prisons or, you know, insane asylums. 1227 01:18:12,020 --> 01:18:14,728 (screaming) "Take her to a quiet room and sedate her." 1228 01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:22,436 A lot of afflcionados of the show would come up and say, "Why were you so mean?" And I'd think, "Was I mean? 1229 01:18:22,497 --> 01:18:25,103 I didn't mean to be mean." (laughing) Because 1230 01:18:25,167 --> 01:18:28,614 I had thought ofher as a very respectable person who was doing her best. 1231 01:18:28,670 --> 01:18:29,910 So I thought I was a good guy. 1232 01:18:29,971 --> 01:18:37,219 It was a great horror riff on adolescence, on the point in our lives vlmen we all realize the world is not such a nice place, and maybe 1233 01:18:37,279 --> 01:18:41,921 everything weve learned in school or our parents have told us isn't exactly true. 1234 01:18:41,983 --> 01:18:46,056 One of the worst threats to them is the parents, (laughing) the "good intentions" of the parents. 1235 01:18:46,121 --> 01:18:51,571 When it happens in "Nightmare 3" where Kristen is, like, in her bedroom and her mom has some guy over, 1236 01:18:51,626 --> 01:18:54,903 "Honey, I've got a guest." "And you don't want to keep him waiting." 1237 01:18:54,963 --> 01:18:57,102 it's just tawdry and it's sad. 1238 01:18:57,299 --> 01:19:05,480 My daughter 'Fiffany and I had a difficult relationship. She was a teenager at the time, and, interestingly enough, 1239 01:19:05,540 --> 01:19:08,544 she has done several horror movies herself. 1240 01:19:08,610 --> 01:19:14,788 So I used it, I just kind of fell into that mode of "mom with teen age daughter“ thing that really didn't require a lot of acting. 1241 01:19:14,850 --> 01:19:20,163 And there's just something so real about that scene. Every time I look at it, I'm like, "Whew." (sighing) 1242 01:19:20,222 --> 01:19:25,331 I do believe that my character was definitely part of the mob that went after Freddy. 1243 01:19:25,393 --> 01:19:29,808 Elaine was guilt-ridden and she had this kind of bravado to cover it up. 1244 01:19:29,865 --> 01:19:33,108 But deep dovm inside, it's like, "Oh my God, what have I done?" 1245 01:19:33,168 --> 01:19:34,511 I got demoted from 1246 01:19:34,569 --> 01:19:42,886 Lt. Thompson to a security guard with suggestions of being a little bit of a drunkard, I think. 1247 01:19:43,044 --> 01:19:47,220 He realizes that he's made the wrong choices regarding his daughter. 1248 01:19:47,282 --> 01:19:50,422 I think he realizes right there that he's ruined Nancy's life. 1249 01:19:50,819 --> 01:19:54,028 He was a broken man as a result ofvmat had happened. 1250 01:19:54,222 --> 01:19:58,102 And that leads to his sense of failure as a man and as a father. 1251 01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:00,299 "Fred Krueger is dead." 1252 01:20:00,462 --> 01:20:03,671 It touched a little bit on the idea of 1253 01:20:03,732 --> 01:20:05,712 suicide in the young. 1254 01:20:05,767 --> 01:20:08,338 Young people and suicide is a tremendous question. 1255 01:20:08,403 --> 01:20:11,407 Looking back now, there was a whole lot 1256 01:20:11,473 --> 01:20:15,182 of suicide movies in the '80s. There really were. 1257 01:20:15,310 --> 01:20:22,125 I thinkthe "Nightmare" series, it's a message to parents to please listen to your kid. Your kid's not crazy, 1258 01:20:22,184 --> 01:20:23,720 your kid's not making stuff up. 1259 01:20:23,885 --> 01:20:30,029 To me that was the metaphor of "Elm Street," and "Dream Warriors" took it just a step further. 1260 01:20:30,091 --> 01:20:36,167 While the young cast immersed themselves in their roles, the team of special effects wizards behind "Nightmare 3" 1261 01:20:36,231 --> 01:20:40,441 found themselves faced with a mmole new set of challenges. 1262 01:20:40,669 --> 01:20:42,945 I read the script and loved it because it was just full of effects. 1263 01:20:43,004 --> 01:20:48,920 And I kind of pitched to them, "Listen, I'll do the movie, but I want to do all the effects." 1264 01:20:48,977 --> 01:20:52,390 And they were stupid enough to do it. No, they actually were really kind enough to give me the mmole show. 1265 01:20:52,547 --> 01:20:57,496 It looked like the script was going to be more fantasy, you know, and fun. 1266 01:20:57,552 --> 01:21:00,897 I had to make it magical. I was going to be the one who was going to give it the look. 1267 01:21:01,122 --> 01:21:08,040 All the money that was spent was not spent on anything other than effects. Effects got everything. 1268 01:21:08,096 --> 01:21:13,739 There was an image with a roasted pig on a table that was a kind of a classic, nightmarish image. 1269 01:21:14,002 --> 01:21:17,074 All of a sudden this pig said, (growling pig) (screaming) 1270 01:21:17,138 --> 01:21:26,217 The budget was astronomical for making an animatronic pig. We ultimately just roasted a pig and let it spoil and 1271 01:21:26,281 --> 01:21:31,822 the prop guys had to choose straws as to who got to puppet it from beneath. 1272 01:21:31,887 --> 01:21:34,026 The pig absolutely stunk. 1273 01:21:34,089 --> 01:21:38,094 But ultimately it looks gnanier because it's real. 1274 01:21:38,159 --> 01:21:38,637 I can still 1275 01:21:38,693 --> 01:21:40,229 smell that pig to this day. 1276 01:21:40,295 --> 01:21:42,536 My main job for "Nightmare 3" was 1277 01:21:42,597 --> 01:21:44,304 the baby in the beginning of the film. 1278 01:21:44,366 --> 01:21:48,644 Patricia Arquette is running through the house and she rescues the little girl. 1279 01:21:48,703 --> 01:21:53,982 And when I met with Chuck Russell and I asked him kind of what he was looking for, he told me two words. 1280 01:21:54,042 --> 01:21:55,817 He goes, "ThinkAuschm/itz." 1281 01:21:55,877 --> 01:22:00,849 And I did a life-size sculpture of the 5-year-old girl that was emaciated and shriveled 1282 01:22:00,916 --> 01:22:01,986 and skeletal, 1283 01:22:02,050 --> 01:22:07,363 I spent 10 weeks constructing this mechanical puppet, which is very realistic in detail. 1284 01:22:07,422 --> 01:22:09,698 When they brought it in to Chuck and I 1285 01:22:09,758 --> 01:22:14,173 it was so terrifying and so grotesque and horrific that 1286 01:22:14,229 --> 01:22:16,209 we felt like it just, we shouldn't do it. 1287 01:22:16,364 --> 01:22:18,537 And they never even rolled film on it. 1288 01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,911 I think they ended up having a prop guy super glue some 1289 01:22:21,970 --> 01:22:23,813 fake skeleton together in about 10 minutes. 1290 01:22:23,872 --> 01:22:24,350 So they used that. 1291 01:22:24,539 --> 01:22:28,453 Well the biggest challenge for "Nightmare on Elm Street 3" was probably the snake sequence. 1292 01:22:28,510 --> 01:22:31,423 The scene with PatriciaArquette and the worm monster 1293 01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:36,087 is often mentioned as a wild point in the picture. 1294 01:22:36,151 --> 01:22:41,123 That was a really exciting thing for me because it was the first, you know, gigantic puppet I've ever made. 1295 01:22:41,189 --> 01:22:42,634 When I first saw the prop 1296 01:22:42,691 --> 01:22:45,604 I was stunned, because it was very, very phallic. 1297 01:22:45,660 --> 01:22:47,469 Chuck and I started laughing when we saw it. 1298 01:22:47,529 --> 01:22:50,373 I said, "You think what I think?" 1299 01:22:50,432 --> 01:22:55,814 He just said, "This looks like a penis." And I said, "Yeah, remember we talked about it? We had meetings about this." 1300 01:22:55,870 --> 01:22:58,908 He said, "I can't do that. We can't make it look like a penis." 1301 01:22:59,107 --> 01:23:06,753 I immediately called in the set painters and said, "Look, at least change the color." (laughing) We tried to throw the thing into blues and greens 1302 01:23:06,815 --> 01:23:08,954 so it wouldn't be quite so Freudian. 1303 01:23:09,017 --> 01:23:12,760 That monster was wonderful in concept an. 1304 01:23:12,821 --> 01:23:17,463 In reality, it was a big prop that was actually a bit dangerous. 1305 01:23:17,525 --> 01:23:20,529 "Ready? Go!" (screaming) 1306 01:23:20,762 --> 01:23:25,472 It was really a scary thing to watch Patricia being eaten by that. 1307 01:23:25,667 --> 01:23:28,238 It was huge and so she was like in there. 1308 01:23:28,436 --> 01:23:30,245 We did a lot of reverse in those days. 1309 01:23:30,305 --> 01:23:33,081 In fact, when Patricia Arquette's being eaten by the snake, 1310 01:23:33,141 --> 01:23:35,382 she's actually being pulled off. 1311 01:23:35,443 --> 01:23:41,450 The whole piece actually looked quite good that way. It gave it an eerie, dreamy aspect. But really we did it 1312 01:23:41,516 --> 01:23:43,257 that way because the prop didn't work. 1313 01:23:43,318 --> 01:23:47,425 But also, we had three or four different puppets. We had one that swallowed Patricia that was only like 6 feet long. 1314 01:23:47,489 --> 01:23:51,995 Then we had one that was even longer for this overhead shot, then he regurgitates her. That was another one. 1315 01:23:52,060 --> 01:23:53,004 And then the final one was this 1316 01:23:53,061 --> 01:23:56,167 whole mechanical thing that was a big, huge snake that kind of rears up and 1317 01:23:56,231 --> 01:23:57,403 it was a radio-controlled face. 1318 01:23:57,565 --> 01:24:00,011 Knowing how much work went into that and knowing 1319 01:24:00,068 --> 01:24:02,947 how diff cult it was to kind of get that thing to set, 1320 01:24:03,004 --> 01:24:09,478 I would've gone and bowed on hands and knees to him then because it was really an imaginative, really unusual effect. 1321 01:24:09,644 --> 01:24:12,352 'The puppet sequence -‘ 1322 01:24:12,414 --> 01:24:14,189 mmere the marionette that's hanging on the wall turns into Freddy 1323 01:24:14,249 --> 01:24:16,058 then he severs himself off 1324 01:24:16,117 --> 01:24:17,528 and then grows to be normal size -- 1325 01:24:17,585 --> 01:24:18,393 that was pretty creepy. 1326 01:24:18,453 --> 01:24:19,363 We actually made 1327 01:24:19,421 --> 01:24:24,598 a series of heads that we would, in camera, dissolve 1328 01:24:24,659 --> 01:24:25,763 from one head to the next. 1329 01:24:25,827 --> 01:24:28,137 Bradley and the marionette 1330 01:24:28,196 --> 01:24:29,266 tendons, you know, 1331 01:24:29,330 --> 01:24:31,469 people just love that imagery. 1332 01:24:31,533 --> 01:24:34,844 It was done by Greg Cannom -- my old boss -- and he did a fantasticjob. 1333 01:24:34,903 --> 01:24:39,443 I also remember Bradley Gregg during lunchtime 1334 01:24:39,507 --> 01:24:42,716 just looked like spaghetti sauce all over him and spaghetti arms. 1335 01:24:42,777 --> 01:24:45,656 Eating lunch, you know, as if it was no problem. 1336 01:24:45,713 --> 01:24:47,784 And he's sitting next to me and they had to 1337 01:24:47,849 --> 01:24:50,659 roll the veins so they didn't like get knotted or anything. 1338 01:24:50,718 --> 01:24:56,760 I'm sitting next to him reading and I'm just looking at him, going, "Oh My God, Oh My God, Oh My God. Oh, this is awful." 1339 01:24:56,825 --> 01:25:01,570 The work that Greg and everyone did in effects was absolutely extraordinary. 1340 01:25:01,629 --> 01:25:06,738 And the funny thing you have to remember about this film is virtually everything was done physically on it. 1341 01:25:06,801 --> 01:25:14,686 You know, in a way we're responsible for making the Freddy character a little bit more of a pop character.A media character. 1342 01:25:14,742 --> 01:25:17,279 And the Dick Cavett scene was a big part of that. 1343 01:25:17,345 --> 01:25:19,416 We spent a half a day shooting 1344 01:25:19,481 --> 01:25:21,017 Dick Cavett and he said, "Well they told me I could pick 1345 01:25:21,082 --> 01:25:22,220 whoever I wanted. 1346 01:25:22,283 --> 01:25:26,163 So I picked Zsa Zsa Gabor because I think she's the dumbest person I've ever met in my life 1347 01:25:26,221 --> 01:25:31,466 and I'd never have her on my show. And if there was one person I would want to see killed 1348 01:25:31,526 --> 01:25:33,301 by Freddy, it would be her." (screaming) 1349 01:25:33,495 --> 01:25:37,568 My other favorite kill from "Nightmare 3" was 1350 01:25:37,632 --> 01:25:41,444 when Penelope Sudrows character was lifted up 1351 01:25:41,503 --> 01:25:44,416 by the TV set with the great line, 1352 01:25:44,472 --> 01:25:48,682 "Welcome to prime time, bitch." (screaming) 1353 01:25:48,743 --> 01:25:50,120 "Welcome to prime time, bitch." 1354 01:25:50,178 --> 01:25:51,418 "Welcome to prime time, bitch." 1355 01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:53,481 "Welcome to prime time, bitch." 1356 01:25:53,548 --> 01:25:54,993 (laughing) Really a priceless line. 1357 01:25:55,049 --> 01:25:55,789 It was just classic. 1358 01:25:55,917 --> 01:26:00,491 "Welcome to prime time, bitch" was not a scripted line. That was from Ruben. 1359 01:26:00,555 --> 01:26:03,832 That which, you know, was a modification of the original line 1360 01:26:03,892 --> 01:26:05,997 because it didn't quite fit in my mouth, but people love that. 1361 01:26:06,161 --> 01:26:13,136 The one-liners and Robert's delivery of them, made the film, I think, a little more popular. 1362 01:26:13,201 --> 01:26:15,044 I actually enjoyed that scene 1363 01:26:15,103 --> 01:26:15,877 when they had 1364 01:26:15,937 --> 01:26:20,010 the mechanical arms come out and grab me. 1365 01:26:20,074 --> 01:26:21,644 That was, like, my favorite pan 1366 01:26:21,709 --> 01:26:22,881 just to scream. 1367 01:26:22,944 --> 01:26:24,423 (screaming) 1368 01:26:24,579 --> 01:26:25,887 (laughing) That was great. 1369 01:26:31,452 --> 01:26:34,524 We had to basically make a vacu-form puppet head that I made. 1370 01:26:34,589 --> 01:26:36,535 It would come out of this TV. We always had to use cut-aways, 1371 01:26:36,591 --> 01:26:40,835 so we'd cut-away and it was Robert's head sticking through the TV (laughing) 1372 01:26:40,895 --> 01:26:43,000 with antennas on his head. It was pretty hokey. 1373 01:26:43,064 --> 01:26:45,510 People have said that's their favorite death scene 1374 01:26:45,567 --> 01:26:46,409 of the series. 1375 01:26:46,634 --> 01:26:52,141 It's just a great kind of surreal, surreal "Nightmare on Elm Street" '80s moment. 1376 01:26:52,307 --> 01:26:59,191 Having met his match in the form of the "Dream Warriors," Freddy Krueger became even more resourceful in 1377 01:26:59,247 --> 01:27:02,990 finding ways to prey on his victim's darkest fears. 1378 01:27:03,051 --> 01:27:08,763 What "Nightmare on Elm Street Pan 3" did was it went to the logical conclusion ofhow Freddy 1379 01:27:08,823 --> 01:27:12,327 would operate within your subconcious and haunt you. 1380 01:27:12,393 --> 01:27:15,704 Freddy is in there with those private thoughts, with those 1381 01:27:15,763 --> 01:27:19,643 private fears. He knows what makes you tick. 1382 01:27:19,701 --> 01:27:22,648 He knows what he can use against you because he gets in there. 1383 01:27:22,704 --> 01:27:24,445 My characters 1384 01:27:24,505 --> 01:27:28,681 weakness was always women and not much has changed. 1385 01:27:28,743 --> 01:27:31,053 One of the more memorable moments from the film is 1386 01:27:31,112 --> 01:27:36,653 the sexy nurse scene where Freddy is using kind of a sexuality trap in a dream. 1387 01:27:36,718 --> 01:27:42,691 The one character that we spent the most time interviewing and auditioning was the nurse 1388 01:27:42,757 --> 01:27:44,600 who has to bare her breasts. 1389 01:27:44,659 --> 01:27:52,100 I had to go in and strip, which, you know, isn't easy, but that was the process. It was a little out of the norm. 1390 01:27:52,267 --> 01:27:56,841 She would have to stand there naked and stufffor the lighting and stuff. It was a pleasure. 1391 01:27:56,904 --> 01:28:01,904 I've had guys tell me, "Watching that scene was the first thing that really got me interested in girls and you've changed my life." 1392 01:28:08,850 --> 01:28:12,161 That's very flattering, and, wow. That's amazing. 1393 01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:17,065 The physical effect of switching the nurse with Freddy was 1394 01:28:17,125 --> 01:28:21,665 something we tried in a makeup effect that got a little too out of control and it wasn't exactly right. 1395 01:28:21,729 --> 01:28:23,709 What Chuck Russell wanted was 1396 01:28:23,765 --> 01:28:28,043 her to have the head of Freddy and then have it trail off into this beautiful woman. 1397 01:28:28,102 --> 01:28:29,581 Freddy with breasts, 1398 01:28:29,637 --> 01:28:31,310 it was too ofi-kilter. 1399 01:28:31,372 --> 01:28:33,477 Somehow the imagery was just, 1400 01:28:33,541 --> 01:28:34,451 it didn't quite go. 1401 01:28:34,509 --> 01:28:38,150 Again, this was one of those points that no one can play Robert like Robert. 1402 01:28:38,212 --> 01:28:43,184 And it just looked like a gin with a Freddy face on, you know, talking like Robert. 1403 01:28:43,251 --> 01:28:44,252 It just didn't quite work. 1404 01:28:44,319 --> 01:28:45,855 The spitting of the tongues 1405 01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:51,927 was really just a small piece of, it was like a type of latex that was rolled up. 1406 01:28:51,993 --> 01:28:53,904 I would open my mouth and 1407 01:28:53,961 --> 01:28:55,736 do this barking thing. 1408 01:28:55,797 --> 01:28:57,037 The tongues 1409 01:28:57,098 --> 01:28:58,372 were extraordinary. 1410 01:28:58,433 --> 01:29:01,175 You could stand right next to them and look at them 1411 01:29:01,235 --> 01:29:06,048 and the puppeteering was so good that you couldn't see any phoniness to it whatsoever. 1412 01:29:06,107 --> 01:29:10,249 That was actually shot in a room that they built sideways, 1413 01:29:10,311 --> 01:29:15,283 so I had to climb up on a ladder and be strapped to the bed. 1414 01:29:15,350 --> 01:29:16,954 Standing up. 1415 01:29:17,018 --> 01:29:23,094 That's what kills you in a crucifixion. Eventually, your heart can't pump blood to your extremities, so I 1416 01:29:23,157 --> 01:29:26,798 actually passed out while I was up in this contraption. 1417 01:29:26,861 --> 01:29:31,810 And I also think it's Wnythey hire young actors to be in all these horror movies, 'cause they can take the abuse. 1418 01:29:31,866 --> 01:29:37,043 The one I remember the most is when Jennifer Rubin got killed. 1419 01:29:37,105 --> 01:29:39,847 It was kind of the time when punkwas really hot. 1420 01:29:39,907 --> 01:29:43,377 We were developing the character still, so I hadjust walked up to Chuck Russell and said, 1421 01:29:43,444 --> 01:29:46,084 "Can I do this hairdo?" And he said, "Sure." 1422 01:29:46,147 --> 01:29:47,854 That line that she says, 1423 01:29:47,915 --> 01:29:49,861 "In my dreams, I'm beautiful... 1424 01:29:49,917 --> 01:29:51,828 and bad." 1425 01:29:51,886 --> 01:29:56,335 Oh my God, I mean, talk about one of the worst lines you would ever have to say on film. 1426 01:29:56,391 --> 01:29:58,302 One of the funniest things was 1427 01:29:58,359 --> 01:30:03,035 Taryn was in her full-blown makeup, we went to a Chinese restaurant for dinner (laughing) 1428 01:30:03,097 --> 01:30:07,136 and it was hysterical, because the way that people were looking at her, you would've thought that 1429 01:30:07,201 --> 01:30:09,340 she was like an alien from a different world. 1430 01:30:09,404 --> 01:30:11,145 She ordered the chop suey with a look in her eyes 1431 01:30:11,205 --> 01:30:13,185 and they backed off. It was very funny. 1432 01:30:13,241 --> 01:30:15,721 I have a little bit of a problem being emotional. 1433 01:30:15,777 --> 01:30:17,188 "Let-s dance." 1434 01:30:17,245 --> 01:30:20,488 lfl get into it, I kind of will try to kill you. 1435 01:30:20,548 --> 01:30:24,086 I remember I did stab him once (laughing) 1436 01:30:24,152 --> 01:30:25,927 when we were really fighting and I got him. 1437 01:30:25,987 --> 01:30:27,330 Track marks on her arms 1438 01:30:27,388 --> 01:30:30,164 turning into sucking little mouths was just brilliant. 1439 01:30:30,224 --> 01:30:32,431 Incredible stuff. Absolutely incredible stuff. 1440 01:30:32,493 --> 01:30:34,097 "Lars get high," (hissing) 1441 01:30:34,162 --> 01:30:35,869 Jennifer Rubin's sequence 1442 01:30:35,930 --> 01:30:38,672 with an exploding head didn't quite make it to film. 1443 01:30:38,733 --> 01:30:44,046 "3, 2, 1. Oh no!" (laughing) 1444 01:30:44,105 --> 01:30:46,244 They didn't figure out how to work 1445 01:30:46,307 --> 01:30:48,184 my special effect. 1446 01:30:48,242 --> 01:30:50,984 Freddy's hypodermic needle fingers 1447 01:30:51,045 --> 01:30:55,585 was my little anti-drug statement that is very, was very effective. 1448 01:30:55,650 --> 01:30:58,563 I got a lot of fan mail from people 1449 01:30:58,619 --> 01:31:02,533 having quit drugs because of her. It touch es my heart to be remembered 1450 01:31:02,590 --> 01:31:04,126 that way because 1451 01:31:04,192 --> 01:31:10,404 this girl fights and never says die. But then I had to. 1452 01:31:10,465 --> 01:31:12,877 "I am the Wizard Master!" 1453 01:31:12,934 --> 01:31:14,743 I was a pre-Harry Potter. 1454 01:31:14,802 --> 01:31:18,340 And that was, again, the greatest thing about my character being a Wizard Master. 1455 01:31:18,406 --> 01:31:23,116 And having played Dungeons & Dragons, I was able to conjure up the spells. 1456 01:31:23,177 --> 01:31:23,780 That wheelchair 1457 01:31:23,845 --> 01:31:26,553 was huge. And it was so huge, 1458 01:31:26,614 --> 01:31:29,993 it virtually could not get dovlm the hallway. It had been built too large, 1459 01:31:30,051 --> 01:31:30,722 but it looks 1460 01:31:30,785 --> 01:31:35,564 really frightening when you see it in the film. 1461 01:31:35,623 --> 01:31:36,795 But there was also difficulty 1462 01:31:36,858 --> 01:31:40,135 because Freddy's claws were not retracting, 1463 01:31:40,194 --> 01:31:44,472 so they put a 2-by-4 right by my heart, underneath my cape 1464 01:31:44,532 --> 01:31:49,447 and I was just praying to God that Robert made sure that he hit it. (screaming) 1465 01:31:49,504 --> 01:31:52,974 I did get to show off who I was and I got to use my power, 1466 01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:57,921 mmich I felt was pretty important, you know, you get to see exactly what these kids get to do. 1467 01:31:57,979 --> 01:32:01,051 Whether they got killed or not, that's a mmole different story. 1468 01:32:01,115 --> 01:32:06,793 Faced with a grueling production schedule, diff cult working conditions and an overburdened 1469 01:32:06,854 --> 01:32:12,361 first-time director, tensions on the set of "Nightmare 3" began to rise. 1470 01:32:12,426 --> 01:32:17,398 Chuck came in with this massive passion, but what came out of that 1471 01:32:17,465 --> 01:32:19,968 was how difficult it was to work with Chuck. (laughing) 1472 01:32:20,034 --> 01:32:24,505 They were very touchy about the imagery of Freddy Krueger and where we took it, 1473 01:32:24,572 --> 01:32:29,646 and I was trying to, frankly, loosen them up, you know, and take it into a crazier place 1474 01:32:29,710 --> 01:32:31,986 and move it further, or there's! be no point. 1475 01:32:32,046 --> 01:32:37,997 He was getting a lot of frustration from the powers that be over him. 1476 01:32:38,052 --> 01:32:40,862 It was just a really hard shoot. 1477 01:32:40,922 --> 01:32:44,267 I think there was more tension on that set than any set I've ever been on. 1478 01:32:44,325 --> 01:32:46,134 I think Chuck really had his hands full. 1479 01:32:46,193 --> 01:32:50,039 We were always hours and hours behind because the stuff was so difficult. 1480 01:32:50,097 --> 01:32:52,373 Lots and lots of effects. 1481 01:32:52,433 --> 01:32:54,140 Diff cult effects. 1482 01:32:54,201 --> 01:32:57,774 Chuck Russell, he was really somebody with tremendous detail 1483 01:32:57,838 --> 01:33:00,341 with everything. Didn't let anything slide. 1484 01:33:00,408 --> 01:33:09,123 There was a couple of times, for me, that I think Chuck did not know how speak to some ofus actors. 1485 01:33:09,317 --> 01:33:13,231 I don't think he had a great deal of experience before doing that film. 1486 01:33:13,287 --> 01:33:16,234 You were aware that there was this expectation of you 1487 01:33:16,290 --> 01:33:19,533 to do certain things, but you just didn't really kn ow what they were. 1488 01:33:19,594 --> 01:33:22,097 It was Patricia Arquette's first film and 1489 01:33:22,163 --> 01:33:26,236 the first night that she shot, we didn't get to her 'til 4 in the morning. 1490 01:33:26,300 --> 01:33:27,779 She couldn't remember her lines. 1491 01:33:27,835 --> 01:33:30,577 We did 52 takes with her and still couldn't get it right. 1492 01:33:30,638 --> 01:33:33,517 She just couldn't do it, you know. We had to do cue cards. 1493 01:33:33,574 --> 01:33:36,282 She really rose to the game, but Chuck 1494 01:33:36,344 --> 01:33:39,120 never got over that original discomfort 1495 01:33:39,180 --> 01:33:43,094 and never really gave her the support that I thought that she deserved. 1496 01:33:43,150 --> 01:33:49,328 One thing about, I think, maybe any "Elm Street" film is you're trying to take young performers and get 1497 01:33:49,390 --> 01:33:53,930 'that sense ct tension, get the tear, take them to the edge.. 1498 01:33:53,995 --> 01:33:56,737 And it's not an easy kind of film to make. 1499 01:33:56,797 --> 01:34:01,075 The dream set at the end, kind of the climax of the film, 1500 01:34:01,135 --> 01:34:05,550 was kind of an elaborate boiler room set that was stretching the limits 1501 01:34:05,606 --> 01:34:07,711 for what we could do on budget and time. 1502 01:34:07,775 --> 01:34:11,154 I just remember it was like they, literally, cut 1503 01:34:11,212 --> 01:34:14,193 the air conditioner ofiand it was 1504 01:34:14,248 --> 01:34:16,990 crowded in there, it was hot. 1505 01:34:17,051 --> 01:34:19,657 Those scenes are hard because there's lots of fire, lots of smoke. 1506 01:34:19,787 --> 01:34:21,323 That smoke smells really bad. 1507 01:34:21,489 --> 01:34:23,696 Always the fire department was 1508 01:34:23,758 --> 01:34:27,729 on our rear end. Always threatening to close us dovm. 1509 01:34:27,795 --> 01:34:28,865 It was mayhem. 1510 01:34:28,929 --> 01:34:33,537 If we could have photographed behind the scenes what was happening, it would have been a bigger circus 1511 01:34:33,601 --> 01:34:34,944 than what was in front of the camera. 1512 01:34:35,002 --> 01:34:37,107 And I remember, at one point, 1513 01:34:37,171 --> 01:34:39,811 the tension on the set was so thick 1514 01:34:39,874 --> 01:34:43,720 that one of the producers stopped the whole shooting and he called 1515 01:34:43,778 --> 01:34:46,384 everybody together and he went to the top of the 1516 01:34:46,447 --> 01:34:50,554 stairs and he said, "This shit is going to stop." 1517 01:34:50,618 --> 01:34:57,558 After the 21st hour one day, I said, "Chuck, can you define for me what is a director?" 1518 01:34:57,625 --> 01:35:00,333 And he said, "The last man standing." 1519 01:35:00,394 --> 01:35:02,635 And I've never heard a better definition. 1520 01:35:02,697 --> 01:35:06,873 We put in long hours, but it was interesting. Everyone had their hearts in it. 1521 01:35:06,934 --> 01:35:09,710 And I think the results are on the screen. 1522 01:35:09,770 --> 01:35:13,343 The junkyard scene was filmed 1523 01:35:13,407 --> 01:35:18,254 very late at night, early morning. I think I was there until 3:30 or so. 1524 01:35:18,312 --> 01:35:20,690 The sun almost began coming up. 1525 01:35:20,748 --> 01:35:24,195 Frank Darabont, who co-m/rote that script with me, and I are both 1526 01:35:24,251 --> 01:35:26,288 big Ray Harryhausen fans, so we found 1527 01:35:26,353 --> 01:35:28,833 a way to get our little homage 1528 01:35:28,889 --> 01:35:30,459 to Harryhausen with 1529 01:35:30,524 --> 01:35:31,935 bringing Freddy's skeleton to life. 1530 01:35:32,026 --> 01:35:35,303 We decided to build a skeleton and found how diff cult it was 1531 01:35:35,362 --> 01:35:37,899 to build a stop-motion skeleton. 1532 01:35:37,965 --> 01:35:40,104 I wish he'd had Ray there because 1533 01:35:40,167 --> 01:35:42,010 maybe we could have done a better job of it. 1534 01:35:42,069 --> 01:35:44,640 We used Robert Englund's attitude, 1535 01:35:44,705 --> 01:35:49,450 his posture and stuff for the Freddy skeleton as much as we could so it looked like him. 1536 01:35:49,510 --> 01:35:54,289 I don't remember how they did it, but they must have put me on some sort of a dolly 1537 01:35:54,348 --> 01:35:59,559 going toward this Cadillac fender in the back, 1538 01:35:59,620 --> 01:36:02,191 the tail which pierced me. 1539 01:36:02,256 --> 01:36:04,600 I must say I didn't like the scene. 1540 01:36:04,658 --> 01:36:06,137 "3" was the first time when you see the souls 1541 01:36:06,193 --> 01:36:10,699 of children. This is an effect where all the souls that are trapped inside of Freddy make 1542 01:36:10,765 --> 01:36:12,438 an appearance on his body. 1543 01:36:12,500 --> 01:36:15,606 The screaming souls on Freddy's chest was something that 1544 01:36:15,669 --> 01:36:19,674 we didn't really know we could pull off, but that particular effect 1545 01:36:19,740 --> 01:36:23,779 actually is a quite haunting, strange concept that worked well. 1546 01:36:23,844 --> 01:36:28,691 It was actually a chest piece that fit under Robert's own chest. It was about 3 inches thick and inside 1547 01:36:28,749 --> 01:36:33,664 there were cables that came out the back of him and all that. And they blinked the eyes and moved the jaws and all that stuff. 1548 01:36:33,721 --> 01:36:35,701 "It's a dead end." 1549 01:36:35,756 --> 01:36:38,532 One of the very toughest things, strangely, was 1550 01:36:38,592 --> 01:36:40,799 the mirror sequence, the mirror hallway. 1551 01:36:40,861 --> 01:36:42,966 My character screams and 1552 01:36:43,030 --> 01:36:44,805 breaks all the mirrors and 1553 01:36:44,865 --> 01:36:48,574 it turns out that my dream power is my voice. 1554 01:36:48,636 --> 01:36:52,083 Mirrors shattering in that hallway was a really huge effect. 1555 01:36:52,239 --> 01:36:55,846 And this is before CGI, so we had to get very inventive. 1556 01:36:55,910 --> 01:36:59,255 I mean, unbelievably technically diff cult. 1557 01:36:59,313 --> 01:37:03,955 It was something we ended up getting done at the optical house, at the last minute, 1558 01:37:04,018 --> 01:37:07,124 literally manipulating mylar in front of a camera. 1559 01:37:07,188 --> 01:37:10,397 That sequence and where Freddy gets blown apart 1560 01:37:10,457 --> 01:37:12,562 were two very, very complicated sequences. 1561 01:37:12,626 --> 01:37:13,969 We had to build this puppet head 1562 01:37:14,028 --> 01:37:15,473 'and this 'make thing was mechanical. 1563 01:37:15,529 --> 01:37:17,008 And then, later, the guys, the optical guys, went in there 1564 01:37:17,064 --> 01:37:20,511 and rotoscoped light pouring out of him and that's how he sort of just tore apart 1565 01:37:20,568 --> 01:37:22,639 with the light of God. 1566 01:37:22,703 --> 01:37:25,115 They had to bury Freddy in the hallowed ground, that made sense. 1567 01:37:25,172 --> 01:37:28,153 And so Chuck understood sort of the religious connotations and things like that. 1568 01:37:28,209 --> 01:37:29,552 I wanted to bring in these kind of 1569 01:37:29,610 --> 01:37:34,889 classic Christian values almost. We kill Freddy with a cross. 1570 01:37:34,949 --> 01:37:37,987 I mean, this is old school vampire stuff. 1571 01:37:38,052 --> 01:37:41,898 "Nightmare on Elm Street 2" was, I guess, the gayest horrorfilm ever made and 1572 01:37:41,956 --> 01:37:44,334 "Nightmare on Elm Street 3" was the Christian version. 1573 01:37:44,391 --> 01:37:49,170 I think in doing the third one I knew we had to fill in a little bit of the Freddy backstory. 1574 01:37:49,230 --> 01:37:54,646 And in the "Elm Street" series that means it has to be something big and dangerous. 1575 01:37:54,702 --> 01:37:55,942 I love the idea that 1576 01:37:56,003 --> 01:38:00,975 some twisted DNA somehow made its way into this poor little nun, 1577 01:38:01,041 --> 01:38:05,615 Amanda Krueger, who got the Christmas shifi in the asylum, getting raped by a hundred maniacs. 1578 01:38:05,679 --> 01:38:06,248 "Freddy?!" 1579 01:38:06,614 --> 01:38:10,926 "The bastard son of a hundred maniacs." 1580 01:38:10,985 --> 01:38:16,298 And this was just one of the ideas that came out that we realized was appropriate, 1581 01:38:16,357 --> 01:38:19,167 but, in a way, dangerous to put on film. 1582 01:38:19,226 --> 01:38:23,641 It's always a balancing act between how much you're going to reveal the monster 1583 01:38:23,697 --> 01:38:26,303 and how much you're going to keep mysterious. 1584 01:38:26,367 --> 01:38:33,046 V\flth his dark history revealed and his bones laid to rest, the time had come for Freddy's final reckoning. 1585 01:38:33,107 --> 01:38:39,456 But if Krueger had to go, he would take with him one of Elm Street's finest. 1586 01:38:39,513 --> 01:38:40,491 "Die!" 1587 01:38:40,547 --> 01:38:42,458 Heather being killed offis not that unusual. 1588 01:38:42,516 --> 01:38:47,693 If the original characters were in the sequel, usually they didn't last until the end because 1589 01:38:47,755 --> 01:38:52,363 they either aged or the studio would feel like now we have to have new characters. 1590 01:38:52,426 --> 01:38:56,932 I do believe that it's very appropriate that Nancy dies at the end of 1591 01:38:56,997 --> 01:39:00,968 It's almost like killing a recurring character or a regular off of a television show, 1592 01:39:01,035 --> 01:39:02,708 and it takes some courage. 1593 01:39:02,770 --> 01:39:06,912 Her dying off was in the original screenplay 1594 01:39:06,974 --> 01:39:08,851 and it was a bold thing to do. 1595 01:39:08,909 --> 01:39:11,856 She goes out heroically, which is, I think, very fitting. 1596 01:39:11,912 --> 01:39:15,359 All stories of heroes have to come to an end and 1597 01:39:15,416 --> 01:39:20,297 I thought that the way that she died in Patricia's arms was very touching. 1598 01:39:20,354 --> 01:39:24,700 But I knew it would in crease kind of the whole suspense and jeopardy. 1599 01:39:24,758 --> 01:39:27,534 If Nancy can die, anything can happen in the series. 1600 01:39:27,594 --> 01:39:31,474 Now that Krueger had been vanquished, at least for the moment, 1601 01:39:31,532 --> 01:39:36,003 the filmmakers wanted to find a way to market Freddy to the masses. 1602 01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:39,916 There is something naturally heavy metal about Freddy Krueger. 1603 01:39:39,974 --> 01:39:43,888 And there was a sudden opportunity to use Dokken. 1604 01:39:43,944 --> 01:39:48,017 I just moved out fiom Tampa, Florida.All I knew was Dokken. 1605 01:39:48,082 --> 01:39:51,928 Doing the movie was kind of like ourwhole career: 50% talent, 50% luck. 1606 01:39:51,986 --> 01:39:58,494 It was specific. It had to be called "Dream Warriors" and try to make it spooky and the lyrics should be about the movie. 1607 01:39:58,559 --> 01:40:00,732 I still remember my version -- it didn't make it. 1608 01:40:00,794 --> 01:40:04,469 Mine was (singing), "Dream warriors, we can be heroes inside of our dreams." 1609 01:40:04,531 --> 01:40:07,910 Which is exactly why it didn't get accepted. (laughing) That's how it went, yeah. (laughing) 1610 01:40:07,968 --> 01:40:10,005 The Dokken video was kind of ahead of its time. 1611 01:40:10,070 --> 01:40:15,816 We were at the eany end of MTV and it was kind of the perfect opportunity to take 1612 01:40:15,876 --> 01:40:18,117 heavy metal and horror and make one 1613 01:40:18,178 --> 01:40:19,782 nasty thing out of it. 1614 01:40:19,847 --> 01:40:21,918 It was cutting edge, you know. Nobody had done it 1615 01:40:21,982 --> 01:40:25,293 and we were like the first band to do that, you know, all that stuff and mix it with the movie. 1616 01:40:25,352 --> 01:40:27,059 I thought it was the greatest video. 1617 01:40:27,121 --> 01:40:30,193 It really helped our careers. And, in fact, ours was the first video 1618 01:40:30,257 --> 01:40:33,329 ever included on a VHS of a movie. First one. 1619 01:40:33,394 --> 01:40:34,737 I can't sing the song anymore. 1620 01:40:34,795 --> 01:40:37,298 (singing) "...forever." 1621 01:40:37,364 --> 01:40:38,274 It's so high. 1622 01:40:38,332 --> 01:40:42,337 Even vmen I did it and I was young -- I was probably SO-something, in my eany 30s -- 1623 01:40:42,403 --> 01:40:43,404 it just was too frickin' high. 1624 01:40:43,670 --> 01:40:45,013 (singing) "Dream warriors" 1625 01:40:45,072 --> 01:40:49,953 (singing) "We're the dream warriors... 1626 01:40:50,010 --> 01:40:53,014 (singing)"Don't want to dream no more." 1627 01:40:53,080 --> 01:41:00,658 (singing) "And maybe tonight, maybe tonight you'll be gone. Dream warriors." 1628 01:41:00,721 --> 01:41:03,201 I have a platinum record from that Dokken song. 1629 01:41:03,257 --> 01:41:05,737 That is one of the few prop things that's actually up in my house 1630 01:41:05,793 --> 01:41:09,605 because it's so funny that I could possibly have a platinum record ever 1631 01:41:09,663 --> 01:41:10,869 with my mmite, Jewish rhythm. 1632 01:41:10,931 --> 01:41:13,673 I've never gone anywnere, or performed anywhere, 1633 01:41:13,734 --> 01:41:18,808 any of us, where we either don't see the EP or an album, or get asked to do the song. 1634 01:41:18,872 --> 01:41:21,409 It's just part of our legacy. 1635 01:41:25,045 --> 01:41:27,286 "What a nightmare!" 1636 01:41:27,848 --> 01:41:34,959 "Dream Warriors" was released on February 27, 1987. Aimed straight at the mainstream, "Nightmare 3" 1637 01:41:35,022 --> 01:41:38,936 paved the way for Freddy Kruegerto become a household name. 1638 01:41:38,992 --> 01:41:44,340 I felt like, honestly, it couldn't be more frightening than what Wes did in the original, but I thought adding an element 1639 01:41:44,398 --> 01:41:50,815 of wit and black humor would balance out some of the really dark imagery in the piece. 1640 01:41:50,871 --> 01:41:55,479 The fact that they made Freddy more and more jokey, took him farther and farther away fiom that child molester thing 1641 01:41:55,542 --> 01:41:57,954 that just kind of sticks to you in a way maybe you don't like. 1642 01:41:58,011 --> 01:42:02,585 I think there's a great combination between horror and humor. And it always goes that way, 1643 01:42:02,649 --> 01:42:04,526 it doesn't matter how scary your first film is. 1644 01:42:04,585 --> 01:42:11,799 They really walked a fine line with it. It was never cheesy or campy, it was always with a purpose. 1645 01:42:11,959 --> 01:42:16,959 It's why "3" was a little bit of a surprise for the series and for the fans and I think maybe hard to get exactly right after that. 1646 01:42:22,803 --> 01:42:26,717 There's only so much you can do with Freddy's comedy before it becomes too much. 1647 01:42:26,907 --> 01:42:33,085 After "2" there were not a lot of people that really thought that it was going to be successful. 1648 01:42:33,147 --> 01:42:37,562 So it was really up to Chuck to make it successful, and I think he made it successful. 1649 01:42:37,618 --> 01:42:43,364 "For the very first time in history, a small, independent film has swept the weekend box office grosses." 1650 01:42:43,423 --> 01:42:49,567 "The number one movie in the country last week. In Syracuse they called in the mounted police to control the crowds at theaters." 1651 01:42:49,863 --> 01:42:53,367 It was in the Top 10 grossers of the year that it came out. 1652 01:42:53,567 --> 01:42:55,069 That movie made a lot of money. 1653 01:42:55,569 --> 01:42:59,881 Seeing the audiences respond to it, seeing the series become so successful 1654 01:42:59,940 --> 01:43:02,352 from that point on, was my payoff. 1655 01:43:02,409 --> 01:43:04,889 "Nightmare on Elm Street" went from being cult 1656 01:43:04,945 --> 01:43:08,415 to being an international, huge success. 1657 01:43:08,482 --> 01:43:12,760 "The worst!" "Don't leave home without it!" (laughing) 1658 01:43:13,020 --> 01:43:16,467 When Siskel and Ebert reviewed the film 1659 01:43:16,523 --> 01:43:26,137 they got into a heated debate on the show and Roger Ebert was very adamant that he felt like the film 1660 01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:27,975 deserved an "X" rating. 1661 01:43:28,035 --> 01:43:35,510 Considering his movie is being pitched to teenagers and young teenagers. Don't talk to me about the "R" rating, they know exactly who they want to see this movie." 1662 01:43:35,576 --> 01:43:37,453 '(shattered glass)' 1663 01:43:37,511 --> 01:43:43,484 I have to say that over the years and having met lots of fans all over the world, that I think 1664 01:43:43,550 --> 01:43:45,860 the fan favorite is "Nightmare on Elm Street Pan 3." 1665 01:43:46,253 --> 01:43:48,699 I mean, more of my fans say they like that movie than any of them. 1666 01:43:49,156 --> 01:43:53,627 "Dream Warriors" is what the best franchise sequels in any genre should be, because 1667 01:43:53,694 --> 01:44:00,111 it's a film that moves the franchise along, adds to the mythology without taking anything auvay from 1668 01:44:00,167 --> 01:44:05,082 what's come before, and also manages -- and it is a very hard thing to do -- 1669 01:44:05,138 --> 01:44:06,674 to maintain or reintroduce 1670 01:44:06,740 --> 01:44:10,552 characters that we already know and care about while balancing them with new characters 1671 01:44:10,611 --> 01:44:13,057 that we ultimately actually care about just the same. 1672 01:44:13,113 --> 01:44:17,721 There were some successful "Elm Streets" after it and some not so successful. But they were all, 1673 01:44:17,784 --> 01:44:19,923 from that point on, I think more imaginative. 1674 01:44:19,987 --> 01:44:24,766 We started getting into the groove, so to speak, and everybody was wailing with ideas. 1675 01:44:24,825 --> 01:44:26,600 All the elements that worked in that 1676 01:44:26,660 --> 01:44:30,335 I was instrumental in trying to feed into the next scripts. 1677 01:44:30,397 --> 01:44:32,604 And I think we set the tone for the other sequels. 1678 01:44:46,413 --> 01:44:53,353 After "Dream Warriors," Freddy's audience expanded far beyond expectations and New Line Cinema, 1679 01:44:53,420 --> 01:44:57,368 like Freddy Krueger himself, began growing by leaps and bounds. 1680 01:44:57,724 --> 01:45:01,399 By this time "Nightmare" had a reputation and New Line had a reputation. 1681 01:45:01,862 --> 01:45:04,968 The company was really evolving into 1682 01:45:05,032 --> 01:45:07,706 less of an unstable 1683 01:45:07,768 --> 01:45:09,042 and uncertain entity, 1684 01:45:09,102 --> 01:45:10,604 into one that was very financeable. 1685 01:45:11,004 --> 01:45:15,146 Bob was very good at promoting. I mean, in a way that Roger Corman did the same thing. 1686 01:45:15,208 --> 01:45:19,020 He was very good at promoting people who he thought were smart and he thought supported the company. 1687 01:45:19,079 --> 01:45:20,319 He was building an empire, 1688 01:45:20,380 --> 01:45:22,382 he wasn'tjust making movies. 1689 01:45:22,449 --> 01:45:25,828 That was the New Line way. lfth ey liked you, they lefi you alone. 1690 01:45:25,886 --> 01:45:29,834 They worked the crap off of you and they didn't pay you a lot, but you knew 1691 01:45:29,890 --> 01:45:31,267 you were doing their next movie. 1692 01:45:31,325 --> 01:45:33,669 So if you got on that New Line boat, 1693 01:45:33,727 --> 01:45:35,297 that was a good ship to be sailing on. 1694 01:45:35,829 --> 01:45:39,538 The way I got involved in "Nightmare on Elm Street 4" was 1695 01:45:39,599 --> 01:45:42,307 very unusual and very complicated. 1696 01:45:42,369 --> 01:45:48,809 We had our pick really of directors, but, again, we wanted young, hot, up-and-coming, cheap. 1697 01:45:49,009 --> 01:45:50,579 I had come 1698 01:45:50,644 --> 01:45:53,591 from Finland a few years prior to seek my fortune. 1699 01:45:53,647 --> 01:45:55,024 He and his pal were living out of 1700 01:45:55,082 --> 01:45:58,495 baked bean cans in a single room in Hollywood somewhere. 1701 01:45:58,552 --> 01:46:02,295 I'd lost all my credit cards, all my money, I was really down on my luck. 1702 01:46:02,489 --> 01:46:04,332 I had seen the movie he made. 1703 01:46:04,391 --> 01:46:05,870 I think it was called "Prison." 1704 01:46:05,926 --> 01:46:07,872 It was made for about $1 million 1705 01:46:07,928 --> 01:46:10,238 and it had a lot of sort of homemade special effects. 1706 01:46:10,297 --> 01:46:14,404 I knew he would be great. I met with him, I thought he was fantastic. 1707 01:46:14,468 --> 01:46:17,813 And after fifteen minutes Bob Shaye's like, "Okay, goodbye." 1708 01:46:17,871 --> 01:46:20,181 And he pretty much throws me out of his offlce. 1709 01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:26,486 Bob kept saying, "He doesn't speak English." (laughing) He said, "It's not his main language." 1710 01:46:26,546 --> 01:46:30,289 I went five times back to New Line, pretty much unannounced. 1711 01:46:30,350 --> 01:46:35,322 I didn't, you know, call an assistant and make an appointment, I just would go and hang out in the lobby and 1712 01:46:35,389 --> 01:46:40,134 go to Bob Sh eye's office and say, "Hi, I'm back." And he's like, "The Finnish guy? What is he doing here?" 1713 01:46:40,193 --> 01:46:43,868 And every time he'd come in for an interview he looked, frankly, 1714 01:46:43,930 --> 01:46:47,810 dirtier and dirtier and he'd wear the same clothes. And I 1715 01:46:47,868 --> 01:46:50,872 really think they started to smell. 1716 01:46:50,937 --> 01:46:52,143 He was like a Viking, you know, 1717 01:46:52,205 --> 01:46:54,685 this guy's huge. He had hair down to his ass. 1718 01:46:54,741 --> 01:46:58,018 And I thought, "God, I've got to hire this guy just to get him a bath." 1719 01:46:58,178 --> 01:47:03,594 We needed a director desperately and I knew it was going to be a huge amount of work and 1720 01:47:03,650 --> 01:47:05,596 we decided, he's a big guy, you know (laughing) 1721 01:47:05,652 --> 01:47:10,431 he probably has a lot o energy and he can work really hard 24 hours a day for six weeks to get the film ready. 1722 01:47:10,490 --> 01:47:15,906 So they kind of compromised and finally said, like, "Okay, you won us over. You can direct the movie." 1723 01:47:15,962 --> 01:47:20,934 I was very scared stepping into this movie. It was my first sort of a Hollywood movie and 1724 01:47:21,001 --> 01:47:25,472 though it was only a $5 million budget, for me it was gigantic. 1725 01:47:25,539 --> 01:47:28,748 Brian Helgeland wrote "Nightmare 4" 1726 01:47:28,809 --> 01:47:33,087 and he was another hot, young, up-and-coming writer that we could afford. 1727 01:47:33,146 --> 01:47:38,789 There was sort of a rough script, but a very, very sort of like a blueprint for the movie. 1728 01:47:38,852 --> 01:47:42,129 And sooner than we knew, the writers' strike started. 1729 01:47:42,189 --> 01:47:45,068 "Nightmare 4" was just this writers' disaster. 1730 01:47:45,125 --> 01:47:50,097 So a lot of it was really made up, because we had no writer to write it. 1731 01:47:50,163 --> 01:47:54,339 Mostly I would come up with the nightmares because I had an endless amount of nightmares 1732 01:47:54,401 --> 01:47:55,903 in my memories from my childhood. 1733 01:47:56,102 --> 01:48:02,075 He knew that he had to make the film more visual and he had to up those stakes because 1734 01:48:02,142 --> 01:48:03,450 we didn't have as strong a script. 1735 01:48:03,610 --> 01:48:09,060 What I felt was very important was to sort of reinvent the series. 1736 01:48:09,115 --> 01:48:12,221 From the very get-go I said, "I feel that Freddy has sort of become 1737 01:48:12,285 --> 01:48:15,095 like James Bond of horror films 1738 01:48:15,155 --> 01:48:18,364 and we should make him, in a way, the hero of the movie." 1739 01:48:18,425 --> 01:48:21,235 We saw a movie before the movie was made, which was called 1740 01:48:21,294 --> 01:48:24,275 "Chinese Ghost Story." We were inspired by the feel of it. 1741 01:48:24,498 --> 01:48:28,913 And this movie was really meant to be done in that 1742 01:48:28,969 --> 01:48:33,042 Hung Kong action style, which is a lot of quick cuts, a lot of different shots. 1743 01:48:33,306 --> 01:48:37,880 Renny was like ahead of everybody on that film. 1744 01:48:37,944 --> 01:48:41,357 He totally understood the youth culture, he was young himself. 1745 01:48:41,414 --> 01:48:43,917 He completely understood how to make the script work. 1746 01:48:44,084 --> 01:48:47,725 Looking to preserve the continuity of the previous film 1747 01:48:47,787 --> 01:48:49,289 Renny Ham“ sought out a new cast' 1748 01:48:49,356 --> 01:48:52,565 of likeable young actors to team up with the last 1749 01:48:52,626 --> 01:48:54,333 of the "Elm Street" children. 1750 01:48:54,394 --> 01:49:01,209 The casting of the movie was an interesting process. I wanted to see really fl'esh faces in the film, 1751 01:49:01,268 --> 01:49:03,145 people that nobody had seen before. 1752 01:49:03,203 --> 01:49:06,650 "Alice is not especially well put together. And yet there's something about this 1753 01:49:06,706 --> 01:49:12,657 shy-loooking girl that suggests that she might be incredibly attractive if she had any confidence." 1754 01:49:12,712 --> 01:49:16,489 I was that gin. I uvas that shy girl. I thought I would never have a boyfriend. 1755 01:49:16,550 --> 01:49:19,861 Alice was a daydreamer, that was mmere she felt most comfortable. 1756 01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:22,992 In her mind, imagining being with the hunky Dan. 1757 01:49:23,256 --> 01:49:27,432 "Alice's attention drifts to a tough pick-up that is pulling up not far from them. 1758 01:49:27,494 --> 01:49:30,532 A handsome, dark-haired teenager, Dan, climbs out of the car." 1759 01:49:30,597 --> 01:49:35,307 Well, they made a joke, because they gave me the pan pretty eany on and the script- 1760 01:49:35,368 --> 01:49:38,542 I don't know if his name was Dan - they were like, "Just call him Dan, that'll work." 1761 01:49:38,605 --> 01:49:42,075 At first I was, like, man, these guys think I'm so bad, they're giving me 1762 01:49:42,142 --> 01:49:43,678 my own name so I answer to it. (laughing) 1763 01:49:43,843 --> 01:49:50,283 I didn't know I was going to be in the film until my agent called and 1764 01:49:50,350 --> 01:49:54,821 told me there was a script for "Nightmare on Elm Street 4" and I was in it. 1765 01:49:54,888 --> 01:49:59,962 They forgot to kill me in "Pan 3" so that's why they brought me back in "Part 4." (laughing) 1766 01:50:00,026 --> 01:50:02,529 Oh, they let the black man live? (laughing) 1767 01:50:02,596 --> 01:50:04,303 We'll fiX that. 1768 01:50:04,364 --> 01:50:10,576 I would tell my friends, "If you're going to the movie to see me in "Part 4," go straight to the theaters, 1769 01:50:10,637 --> 01:50:15,882 don't get no popcorn, don't get no drinks or nothin', 'cause my ass will be dead by the time you sit down." 1770 01:50:16,042 --> 01:50:20,149 I remember our disappointment in "Nightmare 4" that we couldn't get Patricia Arquette. 1771 01:50:20,213 --> 01:50:25,629 She had been such an integral pan to "Nightmare 3" and people liked her so much. 1772 01:50:25,685 --> 01:50:31,567 I'm not 100% sure why Patricia Arquette did not return. 1773 01:50:31,791 --> 01:50:34,965 To this day, I don't know why. 1774 01:50:35,028 --> 01:50:39,602 I don't think there's any untoward reason, I think maybe she was busy. 1775 01:50:39,666 --> 01:50:43,113 Patricia was already starring in other movies then 1776 01:50:43,169 --> 01:50:44,944 and it just simply may have been a conflict. 1777 01:50:45,005 --> 01:50:45,847 Maybe her agents 1778 01:50:45,905 --> 01:50:49,546 wanted too much money and Bob Shaye didn't want to pay and said, you know, 1779 01:50:49,609 --> 01:50:51,850 Bob Shays-style, "Screw you." 1780 01:50:51,911 --> 01:51:00,922 They just wouldn't pay her the money that she asked for, and it was very little and definitely what she deserved. 1781 01:51:01,121 --> 01:51:06,161 "Kristen, a beautiful, but pensive-looking blonde teenager, 1782 01:51:06,226 --> 01:51:09,673 is walking slowiy towards the ominous house." 1783 01:51:09,729 --> 01:51:11,800 I think stepping into that role 1784 01:51:11,865 --> 01:51:16,075 at first I was nervous, 'cause I'm like, "I'm not Kristen. Oh no." 1785 01:51:16,136 --> 01:51:17,274 You know, "I'm not Patricia Arquette." 1786 01:51:17,437 --> 01:51:24,218 The chemistry between Tuesday Knight was not as great 1787 01:51:24,277 --> 01:51:26,655 as it was with Patricia Arquette. 1788 01:51:26,713 --> 01:51:27,088 "Hi guys." 1789 01:51:27,247 --> 01:51:30,353 It was quite difficult to do a scene 1790 01:51:30,417 --> 01:51:34,024 that was a heartfelt reunion on the page 1791 01:51:34,087 --> 01:51:36,795 with somebody I hadn't worked before. 1792 01:51:36,856 --> 01:51:42,397 I would have loved to have seen what that movie could have become had Patricia Arquette participated in it. 1793 01:51:42,629 --> 01:51:47,874 We ran into Jim Cameron, so Renny's quite excited and he introduces himself 1794 01:51:47,934 --> 01:51:54,180 and Jim says, "Well, so how are you resurrecting Freddy this time?" And Rennyjust looks at him and goes, 1795 01:51:54,240 --> 01:51:57,380 "A dog pisses fire." 1796 01:51:57,577 --> 01:52:03,357 Renny was really the one who did the mmole dog pee thing to resurrect Freddy, 1797 01:52:03,550 --> 01:52:04,995 mmich was, what a great way, right? 1798 01:52:05,051 --> 01:52:06,530 Someone just pees on it, 1799 01:52:06,586 --> 01:52:07,929 he's back. 1800 01:52:07,987 --> 01:52:11,400 I'm a dog lover, so it just came naturally, this whole dog idea. 1801 01:52:11,558 --> 01:52:13,629 Because it is an animal 1802 01:52:13,693 --> 01:52:14,637 and another animal 1803 01:52:14,694 --> 01:52:16,469 together with the pee. 1804 01:52:16,529 --> 01:52:17,405 It's lovely. 1805 01:52:17,464 --> 01:52:19,375 It comes out beautiful when you do it that way. 1806 01:52:19,532 --> 01:52:22,513 That's some strong pee. 1807 01:52:22,569 --> 01:52:25,015 (laughing) He had a urine infection like hell. 1808 01:52:25,171 --> 01:52:31,952 I think that a dog peeing on Freddy is, you know, again it's mythic. It's like, if you start to examine that 1809 01:52:32,011 --> 01:52:34,855 and you want to be intellectual, it's a hound from hell. 1810 01:52:34,914 --> 01:52:37,588 Freddy come back, why you runnin'? Piss on his ass. 1811 01:52:37,650 --> 01:52:40,824 "Hows this for a wet dream?" 1812 01:52:40,887 --> 01:52:46,860 The sequence that was maybe one of the more challenging ones was the water bed sequence. 1813 01:52:46,926 --> 01:52:49,964 I really did appreciate my death scene, 1814 01:52:50,029 --> 01:52:53,670 and again, at the hands of a beautiful naked woman. 1815 01:52:53,733 --> 01:52:55,041 Always my weakness. 1816 01:52:55,101 --> 01:52:58,446 That bedroom was built on about a 4 foot high 1817 01:52:58,505 --> 01:53:00,348 platform with 1818 01:53:00,406 --> 01:53:03,979 a water tank that was the actual water bed. 1819 01:53:04,210 --> 01:53:09,717 Very complicated. I don't know how we pulled it off. And it was one of those scenes where 1820 01:53:09,783 --> 01:53:10,557 everybody was getting fiustrated. 1821 01:53:10,683 --> 01:53:16,292 "It's like 20-something takes. You guys have been shooting this for 6 fucking hours. if you can't get it, it's your problem." 1822 01:53:16,489 --> 01:53:22,735 There was definitely tension on the set on that day, but in the end it worked out perfectly. 1823 01:53:22,929 --> 01:53:31,110 Ken and Tuesday and I were the last of the "Elm Street" children and to just sort of summarily 1824 01:53:31,171 --> 01:53:32,946 wipe us out 1825 01:53:33,006 --> 01:53:33,984 at the beginning 1826 01:53:34,040 --> 01:53:35,417 of "Pan 4" 1827 01:53:35,475 --> 01:53:37,751 just felt like a real sort of cheap trick. 1828 01:53:37,911 --> 01:53:42,018 What were we going to say, you know? We're going to go up to Bob Shaye and say, 1829 01:53:42,081 --> 01:53:44,288 "Look, we want to be in the whole movie." 1830 01:53:44,484 --> 01:53:46,623 it was on page 11 , I think is when he got rid of me. 1831 01:53:46,820 --> 01:53:48,731 Should've got rid of me on page 2. 1832 01:53:48,888 --> 01:53:52,836 Kristen's death scene was kind of bizarre. 1833 01:53:52,892 --> 01:53:55,839 There was a beautiful beach, palm trees and all that, and she's 1834 01:53:55,895 --> 01:53:57,340 suntanning herself there 1835 01:53:57,397 --> 01:53:58,569 and Freddy turns into a shark. 1836 01:53:58,765 --> 01:54:03,236 Renny wanted my bathing suits to be like the size of a, 1837 01:54:03,303 --> 01:54:05,374 like string, so I put it on and go, 1838 01:54:05,438 --> 01:54:11,320 "There's no way that I'm coming out like this. There's no way." And he goes, "Oh Tuesday, your buttocks looks beautiful. 1839 01:54:11,377 --> 01:54:11,912 You come out like that." 1840 01:54:12,078 --> 01:54:18,256 And I want to get this shot and I get really pissed off at Tuesday, I'm like, "Come on," you know. And she's like, "I can't, I can't." 1841 01:54:18,418 --> 01:54:20,659 I'm like, "No, I'm not coming out!" 1842 01:54:20,720 --> 01:54:24,759 "No, no, it's beautiful. No, it brings love." 1843 01:54:24,824 --> 01:54:29,705 It's not because I'm some, you know, sex pervert, but I know what teenage boys want to watch. 1844 01:54:29,863 --> 01:54:31,171 So they had to sew 1845 01:54:31,231 --> 01:54:34,303 a little thing. That's why I had that little Hawaiian job. 1846 01:54:34,367 --> 01:54:36,404 I do remember that just to stay with 1847 01:54:36,469 --> 01:54:39,916 the sort of superhero concept with Freddy, 1848 01:54:39,973 --> 01:54:41,611 I said, "Let's give him sunglasses." 1849 01:54:41,674 --> 01:54:44,052 Almost like now he's like Tom Cruise. 1850 01:54:44,110 --> 01:54:47,614 Which was again, it was kind of like against all the rules of the "Nightmare" movies. 1851 01:54:47,680 --> 01:54:49,523 After that, we cut to the scene where, you know, I'm 1852 01:54:51,084 --> 01:54:52,256 in the big fight With him 1853 01:54:52,318 --> 01:54:53,854 and so, I mean, 1854 01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:55,126 'she does sort of go down in sort of' 1855 01:54:55,188 --> 01:54:55,723 a blaze of glory. 1856 01:54:55,889 --> 01:54:58,369 It's kind of too late for her, but then she does pass it on 1857 01:54:58,424 --> 01:54:59,300 to Alice. 1858 01:54:59,459 --> 01:55:05,432 Alice did take on the qualities of her friends as they were killed. 1859 01:55:05,598 --> 01:55:09,478 You could really see that arc in the character in the course of the movie. 1860 01:55:09,535 --> 01:55:13,347 Somebody I could make seem timid and vulnerable in the beginning 1861 01:55:13,406 --> 01:55:17,411 and who can then, in a believable way, become kind of like 1862 01:55:17,477 --> 01:55:19,616 Sigourney Weaver in "Aliens" or something like that. 1863 01:55:19,779 --> 01:55:26,663 Poor Lisa. I just remember her being so shiny and they were always, always powdering her 1864 01:55:26,719 --> 01:55:28,824 because she was exerting so much energy because she 1865 01:55:28,888 --> 01:55:30,492 was so physical in that one. 1866 01:55:30,556 --> 01:55:31,694 They did send me 1867 01:55:31,758 --> 01:55:33,362 off to a day of karate school. 1868 01:55:33,426 --> 01:55:35,804 I was terrified I was going to hit myself in the head with nunchucks. 1869 01:55:35,862 --> 01:55:38,468 And I've heard this comment so many, it's like, "The wig was so bad, 1870 01:55:38,531 --> 01:55:39,373 it doesn't even look like 1871 01:55:39,432 --> 01:55:40,638 Alice from the back." 1872 01:55:40,700 --> 01:55:43,840 That's all acting, you know, 'cause she's really kind of 1873 01:55:43,903 --> 01:55:45,746 like a femme fatale in real life. 1874 01:55:45,805 --> 01:55:50,811 Your villain, to put a flip on a famous adage, is only as good as his hero. And when we look at 1875 01:55:50,877 --> 01:55:54,415 the best of these franchises, be it "Dream Warriors" or "The Dream Master," 1876 01:55:54,480 --> 01:55:56,482 in which case he fighting against a capable hero, 1877 01:55:56,549 --> 01:55:58,620 those are the ones the fans generally like the best. 1878 01:55:58,685 --> 01:56:05,694 "Nightmare 3" and "Nightmare 4" has been the highest making movies. I ain't braggin' 1879 01:56:05,758 --> 01:56:07,533 but those were the two I was in. 1880 01:56:07,694 --> 01:56:11,039 One of the cool things about "Nightmare 4" is it's sort of a who's who of makeup effects. 1881 01:56:11,297 --> 01:56:13,299 I had done makeup effects for 1882 01:56:13,366 --> 01:56:16,006 "Prison" and so I got a call 1883 01:56:16,069 --> 01:56:20,540 from Renny saying, "Would you like to do this film?" Yeah, okay, sure, absolutely. 1884 01:56:20,606 --> 01:56:23,883 I liked working with Ren ny. He was very creative 1885 01:56:23,943 --> 01:56:27,186 and really began to push what we could do 1886 01:56:27,246 --> 01:56:28,816 live, in camera. 1887 01:56:28,881 --> 01:56:31,088 I ended up passing the makeup off to 1888 01:56:31,150 --> 01:56:32,254 Howard Berger. 1889 01:56:32,318 --> 01:56:34,855 "Here, go make Robert up for the next six weeks. And you can hear all his stories." 1890 01:56:35,021 --> 01:56:39,436 I was very polite and so I was waiting for Robert to finish talking before I would do stuff. 1891 01:56:39,492 --> 01:56:41,597 But Robert talks and talks and talks and talks. 1892 01:56:41,661 --> 01:56:44,904 "I saw Barbra Streisand in New York, my first time she was singing, 1893 01:56:44,964 --> 01:56:46,739 she was still singing like small clubs." 1894 01:56:46,799 --> 01:56:50,611 I've heard every Robert Englund story ever. I mean, by year three or four I would sit there, 1895 01:56:50,670 --> 01:56:52,013 I could finish them for him. 1896 01:56:52,071 --> 01:56:57,544 "I flew, no one grabbed me, and 37 stitches. I thought my careerwas over." 1897 01:56:57,610 --> 01:57:00,682 I could just say, "No, no, rest your voice." "So, this is uvhat happen ed to Robert when he did this movie." 1898 01:57:00,813 --> 01:57:04,693 There would be times where I, literally, wouldjust put my arm on Robert's head and hold him, 1899 01:57:04,751 --> 01:57:07,755 you know, like put him in a headlock almost, and do his makeup, you know. 1900 01:57:07,820 --> 01:57:10,357 'Cause Kevin said, "Just get in there. Just disregard what he has to say. 1901 01:57:10,423 --> 01:57:11,458 Justjump in and start doing the makeup." 1902 01:57:11,657 --> 01:57:14,501 It was a completely collaborative unit 1903 01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:17,632 that created those effects 1904 01:57:17,697 --> 01:57:19,233 and anybody could come in with 1905 01:57:19,298 --> 01:57:20,276 their ideas. 1906 01:57:20,333 --> 01:57:25,715 But they had no idea what the hell we were gonna be doing, so we would brainstorm and figure, 1907 01:57:25,772 --> 01:57:27,718 "Well, what if we did this and what if this happened." 1908 01:57:27,774 --> 01:57:33,383 They would have a release date before they even had a script, so we were just always up against the gun. 1909 01:57:33,446 --> 01:57:36,893 I think on "Nightmare 4" we, literally, were shooting something, I want to say, like, two weeks before the movie came out. 1910 01:57:36,949 --> 01:57:38,622 Kevin called and was like, "Oh, we've got a pickup to do." And I'm like, 1911 01:57:38,684 --> 01:57:42,689 "The movie comes out next week," or whatever. But it didn't matter, it's just the way those movies work. 1912 01:57:42,789 --> 01:57:47,204 I think I remember seeing the poster for "Nightmare 4" before we ever started shooting. 1913 01:57:47,260 --> 01:57:49,262 I was like, "This is just insanity." 1914 01:57:49,328 --> 01:57:52,673 I was pretty beat up from other work 1915 01:57:52,732 --> 01:57:55,906 wnen I began "Part 4". I was committed, I just wasn't 1916 01:57:55,968 --> 01:57:59,506 completely behind the project, I think, with enthusiasm. 1917 01:57:59,639 --> 01:58:06,215 Atter the first week of shooting, When I cut some footage together and showed it to everybody, I think everybody sort of woke up. 1918 01:58:06,279 --> 01:58:09,783 I went, "Aha! this is the 'MTV' Nightmare." 1919 01:58:09,849 --> 01:58:12,295 It's energetic, it's kinetic. 1920 01:58:12,351 --> 01:58:14,991 They were using tricks and techniques, both in camera 1921 01:58:15,054 --> 01:58:16,590 and for post, 1922 01:58:16,656 --> 01:58:18,693 that I couldn't imagine. 1923 01:58:18,758 --> 01:58:25,471 I was so excited about seeing that, that I mean, I, literally, got my second wind that night and for the rest of that shoot. 1924 01:58:25,531 --> 01:58:30,378 With Robert Englund back in the saddle again, Freddy set his sights on fresh meat. 1925 01:58:30,436 --> 01:58:35,283 Once again, taking each of his victim's fears to a mmole new level. 1926 01:58:35,341 --> 01:58:42,259 "The Black Girl looks a bit nerdy, with thick glasses short hair, but makes up for it with a hip sense of style." 1927 01:58:42,315 --> 01:58:48,755 I loved my death scene. (laughing) It was actually my first on-camera kiss. 1928 01:58:48,821 --> 01:58:50,425 The idea of the 1929 01:58:50,490 --> 01:58:53,096 hand coming through the desk, 1930 01:58:53,159 --> 01:58:54,570 I thought that uvas kind of 1931 01:58:54,627 --> 01:58:55,605 900W and 1932 01:58:55,661 --> 01:58:55,729 stupid. 1933 01:58:55,795 --> 01:58:56,239 Stupid. 1934 01:58:56,295 --> 01:58:59,003 It was like from another movie, I don't know what I was thinking. 1935 01:58:59,065 --> 01:59:00,601 I was thinking "Terminator" or something. 1936 01:59:00,666 --> 01:59:04,944 And I just remember When he was coming towards me, they said they had to use the real claws 1937 01:59:05,004 --> 01:59:07,484 because it was such an extreme close-up. 1938 01:59:07,540 --> 01:59:09,247 So they were really sharp. 1939 01:59:09,308 --> 01:59:13,051 And I just remember he pulled my skin with 1940 01:59:13,112 --> 01:59:14,250 the real claw 1941 01:59:14,313 --> 01:59:18,989 so when I was done with the day I had these pin pricks all underneath my chin. 1942 01:59:19,051 --> 01:59:22,089 "Want to suck face?" "No." 1943 01:59:22,155 --> 01:59:23,327 When I said, "No," 1944 01:59:23,389 --> 01:59:29,101 he came dovm and his dentures flew out of his mouth, he was like this close, straight into my mouth. 1945 01:59:29,162 --> 01:59:34,009 And it was like saliva and probably what he ate that day andjust crud. 1946 01:59:34,066 --> 01:59:38,276 I heard that Toy said something about us doing ADR, looping her lines 1947 01:59:38,337 --> 01:59:40,214 because she didn't sound "black" enough. 1948 01:59:40,273 --> 01:59:43,584 Renny came up to me and he's like, "You're going to redo all your lines." 1949 01:59:43,643 --> 01:59:48,149 And I was like, "Excuse me?" And he's like, "Yeah, because you don't sound 1950 01:59:48,214 --> 01:59:51,093 like a black girl and this is not how a black gin is." 1951 01:59:51,150 --> 01:59:54,654 And it kind of pissed me off, to be quite frank. And so I confronted him on it. 1952 01:59:54,720 --> 01:59:56,893 And, it didn't go so well. 1953 01:59:56,956 --> 02:00:00,335 I don't remember this. I'm from Finland. What do I know? 1954 02:00:00,393 --> 02:00:03,272 I would deny it, too. Hell. (laughing) 1955 02:00:03,329 --> 02:00:08,642 if that's true, that must have come from somebody else. it sounds like Bob Sh aye. 1956 02:00:08,701 --> 02:00:12,649 When it finally came out, Rennywalked up to me and he put his arm around me and 1957 02:00:12,705 --> 02:00:18,587 he's like, "I didn't know any better. I'm really sorry," you know. "You're getting some really good reviews 1958 02:00:18,644 --> 02:00:20,282 and thank you for challenging me on that." 1959 02:00:20,513 --> 02:00:27,260 "Rick, Alice's brother, is shimmying out of an upper floor window and with surprising grace, 1960 02:00:27,320 --> 02:00:30,927 he maneuvers to the ground and lands smiling in front of the girls." 1961 02:00:30,990 --> 02:00:34,437 First, Lisa and I were twins and then I was, I think, I was supposed to live. 1962 02:00:34,493 --> 02:00:36,632 And then there was this very elaborate, cool death scene. 1963 02:00:36,796 --> 02:00:40,107 Originally what happened is he went into the elevator 1964 02:00:40,166 --> 02:00:41,804 and it was a nightmare elevator 1965 02:00:41,867 --> 02:00:45,940 and the elevator started falling apart and the walls came off 1966 02:00:46,005 --> 02:00:49,043 and he's like falling through space, darkness. 1967 02:00:49,108 --> 02:00:51,247 That was, literally, a scene mmere we ran out 1968 02:00:51,310 --> 02:00:56,623 of money. And nobody knewmmat to do, how was he going to be killed and what's going to happen. 1969 02:00:56,682 --> 02:01:00,755 We were working with an unfinished script that we were finishing while we were doing it. 1970 02:01:00,820 --> 02:01:06,361 Somebody said, "Look, why does he have to die at all? Let's just not even have the scene." 1971 02:01:06,425 --> 02:01:09,634 And then, well, we already shot the funeral scene, 1972 02:01:09,695 --> 02:01:11,299 he is dead, he's in the coffin. 1973 02:01:11,364 --> 02:01:13,742 And I said, "Well, he should die in some kind of 1974 02:01:13,799 --> 02:01:16,109 martial ans scene, because we've already set that up." 1975 02:01:16,168 --> 02:01:20,446 We have no money to build any kind of a set, so all we could do was hang these fabrics 1976 02:01:20,506 --> 02:01:23,680 and make it look like it's like Japanese or something. 1977 02:01:23,743 --> 02:01:30,183 One of the epic fails, I think, of the sequences in "Nightmare 4" is when Rick fights invisible Freddy. 1978 02:01:30,249 --> 02:01:35,961 The only death scene probably in any "Nightmare on Elm Street" where Freddy is not actually there. 1979 02:01:36,022 --> 02:01:39,094 And I worked really hard for about two and a half, three weeks 1980 02:01:39,158 --> 02:01:42,071 just to get some basic skills dovm. 1981 02:01:42,128 --> 02:01:45,439 And then I got on the set and they pretty much said, 1982 02:01:45,498 --> 02:01:47,375 "No, no, no, we don't want that," you know. 1983 02:01:47,433 --> 02:01:50,004 It was just, they wanted all big roundhouse punches. 1984 02:01:50,069 --> 02:01:53,710 That's not karate at all, it's full-on John Wayne bullshit. 1985 02:01:53,773 --> 02:01:56,652 So cheaply done, and so kind of cheesy. 1986 02:01:56,709 --> 02:01:58,689 I mean, massively lame. 1987 02:01:58,744 --> 02:02:00,246 I'd had an appendix operation. 1988 02:02:00,313 --> 02:02:01,189 I ended up like 1989 02:02:01,247 --> 02:02:04,091 tearing my scars doing that scene and had to go to the hospital for that. 1990 02:02:04,550 --> 02:02:08,657 I love the cockroach scene. That's great. 1991 02:02:08,721 --> 02:02:14,034 Youve got "Raiders of the Lost Ark" where you go, "lndy's frightened of snakes," right. 1992 02:02:14,093 --> 02:02:17,267 Okay, so what happens later on in the film? He gets thrown in the snake pit. 1993 02:02:17,330 --> 02:02:20,277 So we have this character who's frightened of bu gs, right, 1994 02:02:20,333 --> 02:02:26,181 so what do you expect? You expect the same thing, you know, she's gonna be taken over by tons of cockroaches. And, you know, 1995 02:02:26,238 --> 02:02:30,380 what we did was we completely turned it around and we had her tum into a cockroach. 1996 02:02:30,443 --> 02:02:36,416 "Debbie Stevens, is one well put together item. A tough but smart gin from the wrong side of the tracks." 1997 02:02:36,482 --> 02:02:39,395 I was working with Screaming Mad George, who was the makeup artist 1998 02:02:39,452 --> 02:02:42,023 who did all of my cockroach stuff, and he 1999 02:02:42,088 --> 02:02:43,829 was just fabulous. 2000 02:02:43,889 --> 02:02:45,698 I don't even know why he's called Screaming Mad George. 2001 02:02:45,758 --> 02:02:47,203 I think hejust came up with that, 2002 02:02:47,259 --> 02:02:48,397 you know, it's kind of crazy. 2003 02:02:48,461 --> 02:02:49,531 (giggling) 2004 02:02:49,795 --> 02:02:56,405 The makeup was in credibly challenging. Sitting in the seat for probably about 2005 02:02:56,469 --> 02:02:59,575 three and a half hours getting all of the 2006 02:02:59,638 --> 02:03:02,812 prosthetics put on and all of the makeup and 2007 02:03:02,875 --> 02:03:03,615 all of the blood 2008 02:03:03,676 --> 02:03:06,657 and all the guts that they had to attach. And then I had these huge arms. 2009 02:03:06,812 --> 02:03:11,192 It was all very visceral, you know, you had like tons of stretchy chunks of flesh stuff 2010 02:03:11,250 --> 02:03:12,490 covered in slime 2011 02:03:12,551 --> 02:03:13,291 and covered in blood. 2012 02:03:13,352 --> 02:03:16,993 I remember doing it and feeling like, "Oh my God, this is going to look so goofy," 2013 02:03:17,056 --> 02:03:18,433 'cause the arms 2014 02:03:18,491 --> 02:03:20,334 were floppy and flipping and flopping 2015 02:03:20,393 --> 02:03:22,805 this and that way and nothing seemed to quite work. 2016 02:03:23,028 --> 02:03:25,702 When my arms break and fall off 2017 02:03:25,765 --> 02:03:27,574 it's only my head. 2018 02:03:27,633 --> 02:03:32,981 So I'm in a box, I'm like low in a box like that, and on top is this big fake body that 2019 02:03:33,038 --> 02:03:34,016 I had to do a bodycast for. 2020 02:03:34,140 --> 02:03:39,590 So theyve got me all glued in, I'm all in this thing. I sat in that box for 2021 02:03:39,645 --> 02:03:42,387 five hours and I finally was like, 2022 02:03:42,448 --> 02:03:46,021 "I have to pee." (giggling) And they're like handing me a styrofoam cup. 2023 02:03:46,085 --> 02:03:51,558 I don't have a penis! I can't pee in the cup! Can't do it, won't do it! Gotta get me out. 2024 02:03:51,724 --> 02:03:54,637 By building the set in a very specific way, making 2025 02:03:54,693 --> 02:03:56,570 it sort of a forced perspective set 2026 02:03:56,629 --> 02:03:57,699 and all that, 2027 02:03:57,763 --> 02:04:02,872 it actually sort of ended up being kind of scary and surreal and weird. 2028 02:04:02,935 --> 02:04:04,642 I'm in goo in a cockroach 2029 02:04:04,703 --> 02:04:06,876 cast and they're paying me to do this. 2030 02:04:07,072 --> 02:04:09,746 I love, my favorite shot is Freddy looks 2031 02:04:09,809 --> 02:04:12,688 into the roach motel and it's his eye looking into it. 2032 02:04:12,745 --> 02:04:15,021 Ohhhhh, you know, in the roach motel 2033 02:04:15,080 --> 02:04:15,285 and, "Splat!" 2034 02:04:15,448 --> 02:04:24,596 Working on the "Nightmare on Elm Street" movies are a complete hoot because you don't just get to rip people apart, 2035 02:04:24,657 --> 02:04:25,795 you get to do things that are 2036 02:04:25,858 --> 02:04:29,738 imaginative and fun and surrealistic and it is an artist's dream. 2037 02:04:29,895 --> 02:04:34,173 The Rialto Cinema sequence is my 2038 02:04:34,233 --> 02:04:37,339 favorite scene in the movie. It was very hard to 2039 02:04:37,403 --> 02:04:38,780 accomplish the mmole sequence. 2040 02:04:38,838 --> 02:04:40,784 We built pan of the balcony 2041 02:04:40,840 --> 02:04:42,251 seaflng 2042 02:04:42,308 --> 02:04:45,255 sideways, so that she was actually hanging from the chair. 2043 02:04:45,311 --> 02:04:50,351 They mounted the camera on that balcony and that mmole balcony turned 2044 02:04:50,416 --> 02:04:52,657 so it became vertical. 2045 02:04:52,718 --> 02:04:57,724 And I wanted it to sort of build slowiy with, you know, things starting to fly toward the screen 2046 02:04:57,790 --> 02:04:59,064 and the popcorn starts flying 2047 02:04:59,124 --> 02:05:00,569 and the drink goes. 2048 02:05:00,626 --> 02:05:02,867 'And, of course, the hardest part was were' 2049 02:05:02,928 --> 02:05:05,670 she actually hits the screen and kind of blends 2050 02:05:05,731 --> 02:05:07,210 and becomes pan of the movie. 2051 02:05:07,266 --> 02:05:11,408 You actually see her hit the screen and go from a 3-dimensional person to a 2052 02:05:11,470 --> 02:05:13,143 Z-dimen sional movie and 2053 02:05:13,205 --> 02:05:14,650 that had never been done. 2054 02:05:14,707 --> 02:05:18,678 To me, it was like a movie lover's sequence and kind of 2055 02:05:18,744 --> 02:05:19,620 a homage to 2056 02:05:19,678 --> 02:05:21,316 cinema in general. 2057 02:05:21,380 --> 02:05:23,656 PlayingAlice - the one who never got married 2058 02:05:23,716 --> 02:05:25,855 (laughing) and never left the restaurant, old Alice - 2059 02:05:25,918 --> 02:05:27,625 we tried old-age makeup 2060 02:05:27,686 --> 02:05:29,666 and Renny didn't like it. So then, I think 2061 02:05:29,722 --> 02:05:31,759 we finally ended up using a prosthetic. 2062 02:05:31,824 --> 02:05:34,168 Thick, rubbery stuff glued on 2063 02:05:34,226 --> 02:05:35,204 to really get me looking old. 2064 02:05:36,762 --> 02:05:38,036 I came up with the idea of 2065 02:05:38,097 --> 02:05:39,940 the faces in the pizza. 2066 02:05:39,999 --> 02:05:41,603 We did the horror pizza, 2067 02:05:41,667 --> 02:05:42,975 the soul food. 2068 02:05:43,035 --> 02:05:44,241 "Rick, you little meatball." 2069 02:05:44,303 --> 02:05:45,748 We ordered from Domino's, 2070 02:05:45,804 --> 02:05:46,748 we took pictures of him 2071 02:05:46,805 --> 02:05:50,844 and did a clay press out of it. Sculpted all these 2072 02:05:50,910 --> 02:05:52,184 individual little meatball 2073 02:05:52,244 --> 02:05:53,222 heads. 2074 02:05:53,279 --> 02:05:55,953 And then we did a full-scale pizza with 2075 02:05:56,015 --> 02:05:58,586 the real actors' faces in it. 2076 02:05:58,651 --> 02:06:02,929 And we made them all move around, "Aaahhhh." You know, doing weird things. 2077 02:06:02,988 --> 02:06:05,559 (laughing) I remember when 2078 02:06:05,624 --> 02:06:07,467 he puts the fork into his 2079 02:06:07,526 --> 02:06:11,269 face and it just kind of goes like that, it just worked so well. 2080 02:06:11,330 --> 02:06:14,038 My favorite sequence of all the "Nightmare on Elm Street" films 2081 02:06:14,099 --> 02:06:15,373 is in "Part 4" when 2082 02:06:15,434 --> 02:06:20,008 Lisa Wilcox leaves The Crave Inn. Get it, The Crave Inn? 2083 02:06:20,072 --> 02:06:22,143 "Come on, we have to hurry!" "What's going on?" 2084 02:06:22,207 --> 02:06:24,915 I remember coming up with this idea of a loop in the scene 2085 02:06:24,977 --> 02:06:28,982 where it keeps repeating itself and that's how they figured out they were in a dream. 2086 02:06:29,048 --> 02:06:29,992 By the second time I'm in 2087 02:06:30,049 --> 02:06:31,653 the loop, I have an upset stomach 2088 02:06:31,717 --> 02:06:33,697 because I kn ow something bad's gonna happen. 2089 02:06:33,752 --> 02:06:35,129 "Come on, we have to hurry!" "What's going on?" 2090 02:06:35,187 --> 02:06:41,263 And that's just such a brilliant realization of a dream, to me. 2091 02:06:41,327 --> 02:06:47,209 When we sat down to think about the ending and how to kill Freddy, 2092 02:06:47,266 --> 02:06:50,145 we, literally, said, "Okay, well, how do monsters 2093 02:06:50,202 --> 02:06:52,808 get killed in movies?" You can 2094 02:06:52,871 --> 02:06:53,645 chop them up, 2095 02:06:53,706 --> 02:06:54,844 you can shoot them, 2096 02:06:54,907 --> 02:06:56,443 you can bum them, 2097 02:06:56,508 --> 02:06:58,078 you can blow them up. 2098 02:06:58,143 --> 02:07:04,025 But what all those ways have in common is that it's always a force coming fl'om outside 2099 02:07:04,083 --> 02:07:06,029 that destroys the evil. 2100 02:07:06,085 --> 02:07:07,291 I brought in a picture of 2101 02:07:07,353 --> 02:07:11,130 "The Ecstasy of St. Theresa," which is this Bernini sculpture. 2102 02:07:11,190 --> 02:07:14,967 The expression on her face is of divine ecstasy, 2103 02:07:15,027 --> 02:07:17,633 of having seen God. And so there's a scene 2104 02:07:17,696 --> 02:07:19,175 she's supposedly defeated 2105 02:07:19,231 --> 02:07:20,608 and she looks up at these 2106 02:07:20,666 --> 02:07:26,344 little children who are like angels. And what we wanted was the idea that in that moment, 2107 02:07:26,405 --> 02:07:28,908 God is filling her with ecstatic grace. 2108 02:07:28,974 --> 02:07:32,478 Then she could see him for what he was, mmich was just evil and, 2109 02:07:32,544 --> 02:07:34,820 "just look at yourself, look how low you are." 2110 02:07:34,880 --> 02:07:40,159 That's howwe created the mmole idea of these souls trapped inside Freddy and that 2111 02:07:40,219 --> 02:07:43,200 they're gonna be set free and they are from inside out. 2112 02:07:43,255 --> 02:07:45,599 They're gonna rip him apart and destroy him. 2113 02:07:45,658 --> 02:07:48,332 "1, 2, S!" 2114 02:07:48,394 --> 02:07:51,102 We actually did all these little radio-controlled faces that 2115 02:07:51,163 --> 02:07:53,234 kind of (shrieking) and moved around 2116 02:07:53,298 --> 02:07:55,039 and screamed and stuff. 2117 02:07:55,100 --> 02:07:57,410 (laughing) I remember the little stubby hands coming in 2118 02:07:57,469 --> 02:08:03,681 and grabbing stuff and grabbing his head and it was so goofy and looked so silly when we were doing it. 2119 02:08:03,742 --> 02:08:05,722 Steve Johnson built this enormous, 2120 02:08:05,778 --> 02:08:08,452 gigantic Freddy Krueger chest and all these 2121 02:08:08,514 --> 02:08:11,927 nude people were all painted up and pressing through this dental dam chest, and I just thought 2122 02:08:11,984 --> 02:08:12,962 thatwas so cool. 2123 02:08:13,018 --> 02:08:15,464 You go on the set one day and there's, like, 2124 02:08:15,521 --> 02:08:17,501 a bunch of girls walking around topless. 2125 02:08:17,556 --> 02:08:21,094 It's very important, symbolically, for this thing and you're bare, you're naked. 2126 02:08:21,160 --> 02:08:22,366 So I got them to take their clothes off 2127 02:08:22,428 --> 02:08:24,931 and then I had these girls pressing themselves against the chest. 2128 02:08:24,997 --> 02:08:28,240 And I was like, "This is genius. Every teenage boy is going to love this." 2129 02:08:28,300 --> 02:08:32,009 "Linnea, push out! Push your chest out, Linnea!" 2130 02:08:32,071 --> 02:08:34,051 They were shooting this piece 2131 02:08:34,106 --> 02:08:35,847 and people are pressing on it, you know, 2132 02:08:35,908 --> 02:08:36,978 and pushing through it 2133 02:08:37,042 --> 02:08:40,216 and I don't think it was mounted as stable as they had requested and 2134 02:08:40,279 --> 02:08:42,657 up on top was this little Japanese woman, Michiko. 2135 02:08:42,715 --> 02:08:44,991 You know something went a little bit wrong and 2136 02:08:45,050 --> 02:08:46,654 the whole thing came tumbling dovm. 2137 02:08:46,719 --> 02:08:48,824 "Oh no!" 2138 02:08:48,987 --> 02:08:52,434 You know, crew members are falling from the rafters. 2139 02:08:52,491 --> 02:08:55,028 Here's poor little Michiko crushed by a giant Freddy Krueger chest. 2140 02:08:55,194 --> 02:09:01,440 There was, in general, on the set an aura of panic. 2141 02:09:01,500 --> 02:09:07,075 Bob Shaye was sure that he had made the wrong choice, all through the production, so he would come to the set 2142 02:09:07,139 --> 02:09:09,210 and look around and had this really grumpy expression 2143 02:09:09,274 --> 02:09:15,816 on his face and this really sort of suspicious look, like, "This Finnish guy has no idea what he is doing." 2144 02:09:15,881 --> 02:09:17,656 No one wants Bob on set. 2145 02:09:17,716 --> 02:09:23,189 Renny being the worst. Renny being, "You take care of it, Rachel! You take care ofhim!" (laughing) 2146 02:09:23,255 --> 02:09:26,702 And I would try to work hard and come up with great ideas and 2147 02:09:26,759 --> 02:09:32,471 win him over, but I couldn't. He pretty much never spoke to me during the WhOIE production, except, like, 2148 02:09:32,531 --> 02:09:34,875 grunting and looking really unhappy. 2149 02:09:34,933 --> 02:09:39,780 Nightmare 4's success would ultimately be left up to audiences and the response 2150 02:09:39,838 --> 02:09:45,754 to the film's release on August 19, 1988 was a surprise to everyone. 2151 02:09:45,811 --> 02:09:49,384 Pretty much all I could read was, like, 2152 02:09:49,448 --> 02:09:50,483 great reviews. 2153 02:09:50,549 --> 02:09:53,155 They found all kinds of hidden meanings in the movie that 2154 02:09:53,218 --> 02:09:55,129 I didn't even know the movie had and 2155 02:09:55,187 --> 02:09:58,168 I was completely blovm away. That was the last thing I expected. 2156 02:09:58,223 --> 02:09:59,133 It was the biggest 2157 02:09:59,191 --> 02:10:01,762 of all of them. It far out-grossed anything. 2158 02:10:01,827 --> 02:10:04,171 And then, eventually, the movie made about $50 million 2159 02:10:04,229 --> 02:10:06,505 dollars in domestic box office, 2160 02:10:06,565 --> 02:10:10,877 which was at the time, the most successful independent movie ever made. 2161 02:10:10,936 --> 02:10:13,712 He delivered a great film, in my opinion, he did a really good job. 2162 02:10:13,772 --> 02:10:16,582 Ren ny Harlin I thought was a very talented director. 2163 02:10:16,642 --> 02:10:18,553 It's a tough thing to make fresh and he did. 2164 02:10:18,610 --> 02:10:19,918 Bob Sh aye called me 2165 02:10:19,978 --> 02:10:25,985 opening day and called me and said, "You know, I have a habit of taking a limo 2166 02:10:26,051 --> 02:10:31,330 and driving around, going to different theaters and looking at the reactions of the audience. 2167 02:10:31,390 --> 02:10:32,562 Would you like to join me?" 2168 02:10:32,624 --> 02:10:35,070 And we start driving around going to these theaters 2169 02:10:35,127 --> 02:10:36,800 and there's lines around the block. 2170 02:10:36,862 --> 02:10:42,813 I said to Bob, I said, "I gotta call my mom." Because my mom in Finland had been worried 2171 02:10:42,868 --> 02:10:47,112 to death now for three years. Most months I didn't even have money to call my mom and 2172 02:10:47,172 --> 02:10:48,913 she didn't knowmmat was going on with me. 2173 02:10:48,974 --> 02:10:53,320 And I called his mother and told her in Swedish what a great guy her son was. 2174 02:10:53,378 --> 02:10:58,657 And my mother is like, "I'm talking to the head of the studio and he's telling that my son is a genius 2175 02:10:58,717 --> 02:11:01,220 and he's made the biggest hit of the company." 2176 02:11:01,286 --> 02:11:05,792 At the time that "Nightmare 4" came out, I think it was probably, in a strange way, the hippest, 2177 02:11:05,858 --> 02:11:06,996 deconstructed, 2178 02:11:07,059 --> 02:11:09,767 kind of MTV film made. 2179 02:11:09,828 --> 02:11:16,006 Over that weekend my life changed completely. And the first phone call I got on Monday in my fleabag hotel, 2180 02:11:16,068 --> 02:11:20,608 I thought somebody was pulling a prank on me when the manager called my room and said, 2181 02:11:20,672 --> 02:11:23,915 "I have Mr. Spielberg on the line." And that was the first call on Monday. 2182 02:11:23,976 --> 02:11:28,789 Just a struggling loser like the rest ofus in Hollywood and within a year he was directing 2183 02:11:28,847 --> 02:11:31,851 "Die Hard 2" and hanging out with Sylvester Stallone. 2184 02:11:31,917 --> 02:11:36,491 It's one of those crazy things in Hollywood. You just never know who's gonna become huge. 2185 02:11:36,555 --> 02:11:41,368 It wasn't long before other studios tried to cash in on the Freddy phenomenon. 2186 02:11:41,426 --> 02:11:47,377 Even Bollywood got into the act. 2187 02:11:47,566 --> 02:11:50,638 By now, there's Johnny Carson jokes, 2188 02:11:50,702 --> 02:11:52,010 there's political cartoons of Freddy, 2189 02:11:52,070 --> 02:11:53,208 Freddy's in the funny papers, 2190 02:11:53,272 --> 02:11:56,151 Tom Hanks is making Freddy jokes in movies. 2191 02:11:56,208 --> 02:11:59,246 "It's 'Nightmare on Elm Street,' and that would make him Freddy Krueger." 2192 02:11:59,378 --> 02:12:01,380 Anything that's bad is 2193 02:12:01,446 --> 02:12:02,789 "A Nightmare in the National League," 2194 02:12:02,848 --> 02:12:03,883 "ANightmare in the NFL," 2195 02:12:03,949 --> 02:12:05,223 "A Nightmare in the N BA," 2196 02:12:05,284 --> 02:12:06,524 it's "A Nightmare in Iraq." 2197 02:12:06,585 --> 02:12:13,059 "When you take a walk down our opposition's memory lane, it starts to look like "Nightmare on Elm Street." (laughing audience) 2198 02:12:13,258 --> 02:12:14,498 We were so pan of the vernacular. 2199 02:12:14,660 --> 02:12:18,802 Everything - from the beginning of the fact that it could be made into a sequel to the merchandising - 2200 02:12:18,864 --> 02:12:20,969 were things that never, ever occurred to me. 2201 02:12:21,033 --> 02:12:23,070 It was interesting to see all the Freddy stuff, 2202 02:12:23,135 --> 02:12:24,546 all the merchandise, you know, 'cause 2203 02:12:24,603 --> 02:12:25,604 it was a million toys. 2204 02:12:25,671 --> 02:12:26,877 The Freddy gloves, the hat. 2205 02:12:26,939 --> 02:12:27,849 The early merchandising 2206 02:12:27,906 --> 02:12:29,214 they just thought toys 2207 02:12:29,274 --> 02:12:30,514 they just went for kids. 2208 02:12:30,575 --> 02:12:33,317 A misconceived idea, incidentally, a Freddy doll. 2209 02:12:33,378 --> 02:12:35,255 '(cackling Freddy doll)' 2210 02:12:35,314 --> 02:12:36,258 (laughing) 2211 02:12:36,315 --> 02:12:37,851 He became kind of 2212 02:12:37,916 --> 02:12:39,657 the ultimate cuddly toy to have next to you. 2213 02:12:39,718 --> 02:12:40,958 He became cool. 2214 02:12:41,019 --> 02:12:42,896 I'm like, "Okay, I made it!" 2215 02:12:42,955 --> 02:12:44,366 "I'm an action figure!" 2216 02:12:44,423 --> 02:12:45,333 Nobody ever takes them out of 2217 02:12:45,390 --> 02:12:47,700 their packages anyway, so they're all hanging up on people's walls. 2218 02:12:47,759 --> 02:12:50,330 "We've got 12 of these Wall O'ffect Freddy Faces, 2219 02:12:50,395 --> 02:12:52,341 12 Deluxe Freddy Masks and 2220 02:12:52,397 --> 02:12:55,207 12 Screaming Freddy Chests of Souls." 2221 02:12:55,267 --> 02:12:57,543 There were watches, jewelry. 2222 02:12:57,602 --> 02:12:59,047 Freddy Krueger pillowcases. 2223 02:12:59,104 --> 02:13:00,105 At one point, 2224 02:13:00,172 --> 02:13:03,517 some company even made Freddy pajamas for little kids, 2225 02:13:03,575 --> 02:13:05,782 which, considering Freddy started out as a child molester... 2226 02:13:05,911 --> 02:13:10,758 "Kids, go put on your Charles Manson pajamas on before you go to bed." Kind of the same thing, you know. 2227 02:13:10,816 --> 02:13:13,126 The strangest piece of Freddy merchandise was 2228 02:13:13,185 --> 02:13:15,290 Valium in St. Petersburg. 2229 02:13:15,354 --> 02:13:18,426 It said in Cyrillic, "Take one and he will come for you." 2230 02:13:18,490 --> 02:13:21,403 Unlicensed, I'm sure. Tough luck, New Line. 2231 02:13:21,460 --> 02:13:23,633 I think there was a point mmere 2232 02:13:23,695 --> 02:13:25,231 I thought there was a little bit 2233 02:13:25,297 --> 02:13:27,299 too much Freddy out there in pop culture. 2234 02:13:27,366 --> 02:13:31,576 It seemed like, for a certain amount of time, people just couldn't get enough of the character. 2235 02:13:31,770 --> 02:13:35,650 One of the nice things is Robert is a loveable ham and 2236 02:13:35,707 --> 02:13:37,550 he was just into all of it. 2237 02:13:37,609 --> 02:13:40,317 "I'm Freddy, and this is for you." 2238 02:13:40,379 --> 02:13:42,655 (laughing maniacally) 2239 02:13:42,714 --> 02:13:43,692 You could see the twinkle 2240 02:13:43,749 --> 02:13:46,855 in his eye when he gets underneath all that makeup and -- be it 2241 02:13:46,918 --> 02:13:48,420 rapping with the Fat Boys, 2242 02:13:48,487 --> 02:13:51,195 "It's time for Freddy." 2243 02:13:51,256 --> 02:13:53,429 or selling his own 900 number, 2244 02:13:53,492 --> 02:13:57,531 "Freddy Krueger is just a phone call away." 2245 02:13:57,696 --> 02:13:59,334 -- he's having the time of his life. 2246 02:13:59,498 --> 02:14:04,004 You suddenly become woven into Americana then and you become legendary. 2247 02:14:04,069 --> 02:14:05,605 When you travel the globe 2248 02:14:05,670 --> 02:14:06,580 and you say "Freddy Krueger" 2249 02:14:06,638 --> 02:14:07,378 people know who you are talking about. 2250 02:14:19,284 --> 02:14:22,595 By the time it got to television, (laughing) it was so much like, "Ah, they're going to drag this 2251 02:14:22,654 --> 02:14:24,429 for every possible venue they can." 2252 02:14:24,489 --> 02:14:25,593 We said, "You know, 2253 02:14:25,657 --> 02:14:28,331 maybe we can turn this into a syndicated television show." 2254 02:14:28,393 --> 02:14:29,633 The show that wound up being 2255 02:14:29,694 --> 02:14:32,140 "Nightmare on Elm Street: Freddy's Nightmares." 2256 02:14:32,197 --> 02:14:35,735 It was going to really be this novel approach to television. 2257 02:14:35,801 --> 02:14:39,146 This was the promise I was told. That we were gonna be on late at night and 2258 02:14:39,204 --> 02:14:42,515 we could be dark and we could really push the envelope. 2259 02:14:42,574 --> 02:14:45,384 This show gave a lot of sort of up-and-comers a chance 2260 02:14:45,444 --> 02:14:47,685 to, you know, to get a start. 2261 02:14:47,746 --> 02:14:52,991 Anybody who wanted to direct one, could direct one, anybody who wanted to be in one, could be in one, (laughing) anyone who wanted to write one, could write one. 2262 02:14:53,151 --> 02:14:55,825 They had a guest star every single week. 2263 02:14:55,987 --> 02:14:57,933 Brad Pitt's in there, 2264 02:14:58,523 --> 02:14:59,695 Mariska Hargitay. 2265 02:15:00,292 --> 02:15:03,171 I got to decapitate Lori Petty. 2266 02:15:03,395 --> 02:15:06,808 Not many people have that on their resume and I'm proud of it. 2267 02:15:06,865 --> 02:15:10,745 It was interesting having done a "Friday the 13th" TV series and then 2268 02:15:10,802 --> 02:15:15,478 a "Nightmare on Elm Street" TV series. Both things really didn't represent 2269 02:15:15,540 --> 02:15:17,850 what the movie franchises were. 2270 02:15:17,909 --> 02:15:20,788 "Freddy's Nightmares" as a concept was always anthological 2271 02:15:20,846 --> 02:15:23,759 and to have him introduced, he was the Cryptkeeper, 2272 02:15:23,815 --> 02:15:24,953 he was Alfred Hitchcock, 2273 02:15:25,016 --> 02:15:26,120 he was Rod Sening. 2274 02:15:26,184 --> 02:15:27,822 We were going to call ourselves, like, 2275 02:15:27,886 --> 02:15:32,631 a dark, violent "Twilight Zone" with Freddy as a sort of 2276 02:15:32,691 --> 02:15:33,795 host and 2277 02:15:33,859 --> 02:15:35,566 participant. 2278 02:15:35,627 --> 02:15:39,803 I thinkthey basically had him in for, you know, one day, two days orvmatever, 2279 02:15:39,865 --> 02:15:42,903 and did all those things so he didn't have to go in and out of the makeup. 2280 02:15:42,968 --> 02:15:48,646 He was only in the wrap-arounds really to my episode, but they also asked me to do two of the other wrap-arounds 2281 02:15:48,707 --> 02:15:49,708 aside from my show. 2282 02:15:49,774 --> 02:15:54,621 And those were getting shot at the same time you were doing your episodes, so you would, literally, 2283 02:15:54,679 --> 02:15:58,217 run to another set, which was not in the same building, 2284 02:15:58,283 --> 02:15:59,387 do the stuff with Robert Englund, 2285 02:15:59,551 --> 02:16:04,523 and as soon as you yell "Cut!" you ran back and did your other shot on the other stage. 2286 02:16:04,589 --> 02:16:04,896 So, it was crazy. (laughing) 2287 02:16:05,056 --> 02:16:08,094 "Freddy's Nightmares" -- certainly a nightmare in many respects. 2288 02:16:08,160 --> 02:16:10,766 In a way it was like film school because I learned 2289 02:16:10,829 --> 02:16:14,834 how to really be well prepared when you came on to the set because you were doomed otherwise. (laughing) 2290 02:16:14,900 --> 02:16:16,379 The only thing I could remember about the series 2291 02:16:16,434 --> 02:16:19,540 was it was so cheap. Cheap, cheap, cheap. (laughing) 2292 02:16:19,604 --> 02:16:20,776 "No one's perfect, bubble head." 2293 02:16:20,839 --> 02:16:24,719 The budgets were quite low and they went lower as time went on. 2294 02:16:24,776 --> 02:16:28,986 I would say by the tenth one they were pretty miserable and I stopped paying attention. 2295 02:16:29,047 --> 02:16:34,224 They really didn't care about the show, it was just a cash cow, and so we just ran amok. 2296 02:16:34,286 --> 02:16:35,060 I mean, we'd do 2297 02:16:35,120 --> 02:16:37,031 whatever it was we wanted to do. 2298 02:16:37,189 --> 02:16:42,298 "Action! " " B len d-o-m ati c ! ! " (laughing maniacaffy) 2299 02:16:42,360 --> 02:16:43,668 All of the early episodes 2300 02:16:43,728 --> 02:16:48,108 were originally intended to be two half hours that were vaguely linked. 2301 02:16:48,400 --> 02:16:51,244 And I would say the first five or six episodes are pretty good. 2302 02:16:51,603 --> 02:16:53,776 In fact, I play significantly in one of them. 2303 02:16:54,005 --> 02:16:59,250 If you ever see the Pilot for "Freddy's Nightmares" you'll knowmmat the show is supposed to be. 2304 02:16:59,311 --> 02:17:03,020 The "No More Mr. Nice Guy" episode of "Freddy's Nightmares" was great because 2305 02:17:03,081 --> 02:17:04,355 it was the backstory 2306 02:17:04,416 --> 02:17:06,896 of Freddy Kru eger. It's the history of how 2307 02:17:06,952 --> 02:17:08,363 Freddy became Freddy. 2308 02:17:08,420 --> 02:17:10,661 Tobe Hooper did the Pilot. 2309 02:17:10,722 --> 02:17:12,759 He's one of my favorite directors, and people, in Hollywood. 2310 02:17:12,857 --> 02:17:15,838 And Tobe did this dark, wonderful Pilot. 2311 02:17:15,927 --> 02:17:20,273 "Springwoorfs nightmares are just beginning." 2312 02:17:20,498 --> 02:17:27,245 My daughter at that time was 15 years old, or something like that, and she had just had a birthday and I got 2313 02:17:27,305 --> 02:17:29,573 Robert to wish her "Happy Birthday" on camera. 2314 02:17:29,574 --> 02:17:35,456 "Happy Birthday, Robin. What are you, 15?" 2315 02:17:35,513 --> 02:17:38,926 She was like the star of her school, you know. 2316 02:17:38,984 --> 02:17:42,932 "Bet you wish you had a leamefs permit, or better yet, a drivers license. 2317 02:17:42,988 --> 02:17:49,428 Too bad you're not going to see Sweet 16, bitch!" (evil laugh) 2318 02:17:49,494 --> 02:17:55,342 We really crossed the boundaries quite often in terms of what was acceptable on commercial television. 2319 02:17:55,400 --> 02:17:58,847 "Freddy's Nightmares" was very politically incorrect. 2320 02:17:58,903 --> 02:17:59,938 That was pan of the fun of it. 2321 02:18:00,005 --> 02:18:03,976 "Yes-haw! Ride 'em, cowboy!' 2322 02:18:04,042 --> 02:18:06,113 "You got any saddle sores yet?" 2323 02:18:06,344 --> 02:18:09,416 You could go places that no other show 2324 02:18:09,481 --> 02:18:10,619 would let you go. 2325 02:18:10,682 --> 02:18:12,855 There are scenes of relatively 2326 02:18:12,917 --> 02:18:14,396 graphic sex and violence. 2327 02:18:14,452 --> 02:18:17,695 We did shoot a lot of extra footage, so to speak, (laughing) 2328 02:18:17,756 --> 02:18:21,135 and we'd just go, "Yeah, let's have her naked in this shot," or something like that. (laughing) 2329 02:18:21,192 --> 02:18:27,165 Knowing full well none of this would wind up in the show. (laughing) Or we'd have some bloodbath knowing it 2330 02:18:27,232 --> 02:18:29,439 was gonna get cut anyway, so we'djust do it. 2331 02:18:29,501 --> 02:18:32,914 There was lots of that stuff, I mean, one of the ones I directed 2332 02:18:32,971 --> 02:18:35,042 had like a full Peckinpah 2333 02:18:35,106 --> 02:18:36,016 male-on-female 2334 02:18:36,074 --> 02:18:37,382 violent sequence. 2335 02:18:37,442 --> 02:18:43,290 Because it was syndicated it played at different times in different markets and each of the stations could 2336 02:18:43,348 --> 02:18:45,021 put it on whenever they unwanted to. 2337 02:18:45,083 --> 02:18:47,427 But what happened was they put us on at 2338 02:18:47,485 --> 02:18:49,829 4 and 5, 6 o'clock in the afternoon in the Bible Belt 2339 02:18:49,888 --> 02:18:52,732 and there was all this reaction and complaining. 2340 02:18:52,791 --> 02:18:57,069 The network clamps down heavily on censorship issues. 2341 02:18:57,128 --> 02:19:00,234 The "Safe Sex" episode, which was the last episode they bought for the first season, 2342 02:19:00,298 --> 02:19:01,971 they said, "Cut out eight minutes." 2343 02:19:05,070 --> 02:19:08,108 "'l'lme for the Big Bang, Cherry Bomb!" (kissing) 2344 02:19:08,406 --> 02:19:11,944 It really was not great television. 2345 02:19:12,010 --> 02:19:17,050 I can't bear to watch them now because they're just so wracked. 2346 02:19:17,115 --> 02:19:21,962 "How 'bout I make you a Bloody Harry?" 2347 02:19:22,020 --> 02:19:23,795 (screaming) 2348 02:19:23,855 --> 02:19:28,167 It was fun. It was fun to do. (laughing) It has not stood the test of time. 2349 02:19:28,226 --> 02:19:35,144 I blame, to some extent, the quality of the production that really hastened its demise. 2350 02:19:35,200 --> 02:19:38,340 Our crew from "Freddy's Nightmares," when we were canceled, 2351 02:19:38,403 --> 02:19:40,212 went over and took over "Tales from the Crypt" 2352 02:19:40,271 --> 02:19:42,615 and single-handedly brought dovm the budget of that show 2353 02:19:42,674 --> 02:19:45,484 so that it was manageable, or that show would have been long gone, too. 2354 02:19:45,543 --> 02:19:49,150 (laughing) 2355 02:19:49,214 --> 02:19:51,785 (laughing) 2356 02:20:04,729 --> 02:20:11,203 After the stellar box office success of "Dream Master“ and with the series at the height of its popularity, 2357 02:20:11,269 --> 02:20:16,218 New Line Cinema decided the time had come to tackle deeper, more mature themes. 2358 02:20:16,274 --> 02:20:18,777 Freddy would become a father. 2359 02:20:18,843 --> 02:20:22,290 The story for "Nightmare 5" was controversial with some people. 2360 02:20:22,347 --> 02:20:24,725 I really think that I came up with the story. (laughing) 2361 02:20:24,783 --> 02:20:32,395 Because I was a new mother and I was consumed by my child who could very possibly have been the devil, 2362 02:20:32,457 --> 02:20:33,936 he had "Omen" type qualities. (laughing) 2363 02:20:34,225 --> 02:20:39,732 I mean, the target audience was originally teenagers and to scare the holy bejesus out of them and 2364 02:20:39,798 --> 02:20:42,335 that teenage audience was now growing up. 2365 02:20:42,400 --> 02:20:47,509 And I remember stressing that during the whole creation of the script. 2366 02:20:47,572 --> 02:20:51,577 In the late '80s, early '90s there was a minor movement in horror. 2367 02:20:51,810 --> 02:20:55,952 This kind of hardcore, unbridled, rock 'n' roll horror fiction. 2368 02:20:56,414 --> 02:21:01,227 We were radical, troublemaking horror writers who all emerged at right about the same time. 2369 02:21:01,286 --> 02:21:06,463 Splatterpunk writing had a direct influence on how the movie fianchises were going. 2370 02:21:06,524 --> 02:21:09,937 Basically, as I understand it with "Nightmare 5," there was a 2371 02:21:09,994 --> 02:21:15,603 Splatterpunk cattle call, vi/nere every horror writer who was working in that milieu got contacted 2372 02:21:15,667 --> 02:21:17,772 by New Line going, "Pitch us." 2373 02:21:17,836 --> 02:21:20,077 Mike DeLuca, then a 2374 02:21:20,138 --> 02:21:24,348 development guy at New Line, called me in to ask me if I'd be interested in writing 2375 02:21:24,409 --> 02:21:27,481 and I went in and wrote, gave them a treatment called 2376 02:21:27,545 --> 02:21:32,927 "Freddy Rules." It posited the existence of a dream reality location 2377 02:21:32,984 --> 02:21:37,057 called "The Coma Pit." It's the one place Freddy's afraid of. 2378 02:21:37,121 --> 02:21:42,230 And I was the only person in Hollywood without a script in their back pocket, so I did not get the job. 2379 02:21:42,760 --> 02:21:46,333 DeLuca was a huge fan of "The Light at the End." That was the first novel that Craig and I wrote, 2380 02:21:46,397 --> 02:21:50,709 which was this punk vampire in the subways of New York, and he was always a fan of this thing. 2381 02:21:50,768 --> 02:21:54,341 And out of all the guys that pitched, Craig and I were the ones that won. 2382 02:21:54,405 --> 02:22:00,754 I thought it needed to have those themes of abortion and birth and motherhood. 2383 02:22:00,945 --> 02:22:04,358 These were the elements all coming together 2384 02:22:04,415 --> 02:22:07,487 with Alice dreaming her baby's dreams, seeing 2385 02:22:07,552 --> 02:22:11,193 Freddy leak into them and then going into Freddy's dreams, 2386 02:22:11,256 --> 02:22:14,396 in the unconscious, to find out what made him a monster. 2387 02:22:14,459 --> 02:22:17,702 We wrote what we thought was a pretty solid first drafi. They said, "Well, you know, 2388 02:22:17,762 --> 02:22:24,976 you wrote a "Nightmare on Elm Street" movie like a Stanley Kubrick would do it." And then we said, 2389 02:22:25,036 --> 02:22:26,538 "Yeah, cool, huh?" And they said, "No." 2390 02:22:26,604 --> 02:22:27,412 And our ass was out the door. 2391 02:22:27,739 --> 02:22:35,715 For "Nightmare 3" I had pitched them Freddy as a baby. And I went in - one of the executives was pregnant at the time - 2392 02:22:35,780 --> 02:22:42,698 and I was, literally, picturing, "Picture the claws clawing their way out." And, no one liked my idea. (laughing) 2393 02:22:42,887 --> 02:22:46,767 So then I got a call for "Nightmare 5" and 2394 02:22:46,824 --> 02:22:50,738 when they came to me they said, "Remember wnen you wanted Freddy to have a baby? 2395 02:22:50,795 --> 02:22:52,775 Well, we like that idea now. 2396 02:22:52,830 --> 02:22:54,537 What if Alice was the mom?" 2397 02:22:54,599 --> 02:23:00,641 Without an approved, finished script in hand and with a looming release date on the calendar, New Line sought out 2398 02:23:00,705 --> 02:23:07,213 the next hungry filmmaker who could deliver a visually stunning "Nightmare" on budget and on schedule. 2399 02:23:07,278 --> 02:23:11,385 Stephen Hopkins, who was our director, was terrific. 2400 02:23:11,449 --> 02:23:13,156 He had really come from 2401 02:23:13,217 --> 02:23:14,560 the an direction world. 2402 02:23:14,619 --> 02:23:16,895 He was just so visual. 2403 02:23:16,955 --> 02:23:22,462 I guess they'd been seeing a bunch of different people, but I did big storyboards, I had a lot of ideas about, you know, 2404 02:23:22,527 --> 02:23:24,131 the three different scripts they had sent to me. 2405 02:23:24,195 --> 02:23:27,233 And Stephen was telling me some ideas and he started to doodle, 2406 02:23:27,298 --> 02:23:30,905 like a cartoon, like a graphic novel. It was like, "Well, this guy's great." 2407 02:23:30,969 --> 02:23:33,779 Stephen was a big comic book buff. 2408 02:23:33,838 --> 02:23:35,613 He has tens of thousands of comic books. 2409 02:23:35,673 --> 02:23:38,244 Nice English guy, we got along very well, we were good friends. 2410 02:23:38,309 --> 02:23:45,193 Bob was very determined to make this one, back to being, you know, more serious and creepy, I think. 2411 02:23:45,249 --> 02:23:47,627 The idea was to make Freddy scary again because 2412 02:23:47,685 --> 02:23:53,931 at this particular point he was definitely in danger of turning into like a game show host or a breakfast cereal mascot, 2413 02:23:53,992 --> 02:23:55,164 which is, of course, what happened. 2414 02:23:55,226 --> 02:23:58,400 I got the job on Valentine's Day 2415 02:23:58,463 --> 02:24:01,376 and it was out in 3000 cinemas in August. 2416 02:24:01,432 --> 02:24:04,276 I think we only had like 4 weeks prep for this film. 2417 02:24:04,335 --> 02:24:08,806 I remember, "Nightmare on Elm Street Part 5" I can't believe they're gettin,' it's so quick. 2418 02:24:08,873 --> 02:24:10,580 I mean, they did rush it. 2419 02:24:10,642 --> 02:24:13,020 The script wasn't really a complete script 2420 02:24:13,177 --> 02:24:20,095 and in the end, I think, Mike DeLuca and I sort of just got all the different pages and put them into shape. 2421 02:24:20,151 --> 02:24:21,459 Basically it came dovm to 2422 02:24:21,519 --> 02:24:23,362 Alice is pregnant and 2423 02:24:23,421 --> 02:24:24,661 she's gonna give birth to Freddy, 2424 02:24:24,722 --> 02:24:26,531 so how was this going to play. 2425 02:24:26,591 --> 02:24:31,404 We had to make up a set of rules for what he was doing to get himself into the real wand, 2426 02:24:31,462 --> 02:24:34,068 which may be a little muddy in the movie, but it was essentially, 2427 02:24:34,132 --> 02:24:36,738 get all four of her friends' souls and then get them 2428 02:24:36,801 --> 02:24:37,074 into the baby. 2429 02:24:37,301 --> 02:24:39,247 Alice, 2430 02:24:39,303 --> 02:24:40,407 well, she was an important figure. 2431 02:24:40,471 --> 02:24:43,077 The story certainly wasn't finished in the fourth one. 2432 02:24:43,141 --> 02:24:48,113 I felt a lot more confident just from my experience from doing "4" and doing a feature film. 2433 02:24:48,346 --> 02:24:56,766 The fact that they even called me back, I was super happy. I was like, "Yes! They called me back to do another one?" 2434 02:24:56,821 --> 02:24:58,300 And I was like, "Lucky. Phew!" 2435 02:24:58,356 --> 02:25:03,305 "Through the sm/ining crowd we see Alice standing with Yvonne, a very grounded black girl." 2436 02:25:03,361 --> 02:25:08,037 I thought it was really interesting when I played this character because you don't always agree with your friends. 2437 02:25:08,099 --> 02:25:09,772 "Why don't you take off?" 2438 02:25:09,834 --> 02:25:12,337 Hey, you know, sometimes you tell your friend, "You're full of shit." 2439 02:25:12,403 --> 02:25:15,441 Kelly Jo, she rocked. She was a real firebrand. 2440 02:25:15,506 --> 02:25:23,948 "Mark, good-looking, though considerably off-th e-wall, steps into shot holding a small sketchpad and a large, excessive lollipop." 2441 02:25:24,015 --> 02:25:25,926 I actually would have made the character darker. 2442 02:25:25,983 --> 02:25:32,093 I wanted him to be a bit more goth, I wantedjet black hair and like bone shins, 2443 02:25:32,390 --> 02:25:37,305 but I got blond hair instead and shins that looked better on camera, I guess. 2444 02:25:37,361 --> 02:25:40,604 It was hard to find the right actor for Joe's part, 2445 02:25:40,665 --> 02:25:41,700 the comic book artist. 2446 02:25:41,766 --> 02:25:45,612 The Mark characterwas Stephen's idea, and it was based on Stephen, I would say. 2447 02:25:45,670 --> 02:25:46,648 He's a comic book guy. 2448 02:25:46,704 --> 02:25:49,878 It was my job to fall in love with Erika and that wasn't hard. 2449 02:25:49,941 --> 02:25:54,651 "Pan over to Greta and her mother standing at the edge of the group. Greta is living proof of 2450 02:25:54,712 --> 02:25:57,591 what God can create when he's having a good day." 2451 02:25:57,648 --> 02:25:59,753 I remember that Stephen Hopkins told me that he 2452 02:25:59,817 --> 02:26:04,288 chose me because I wasn't afraid to get really ugly. (laughing) 2453 02:26:04,355 --> 02:26:08,064 And I guess a lot of girls were concerned with that and they didn't really want to go that far, 2454 02:26:08,226 --> 02:26:09,364 but I did. 2455 02:26:09,594 --> 02:26:11,801 Erika was just gorgeous, 2456 02:26:11,863 --> 02:26:12,898 she was the funniest one, I think, of the lot. 2457 02:26:13,097 --> 02:26:15,737 We didn't really have a bad apple in the bunch. 2458 02:26:15,800 --> 02:26:19,338 I think everybody was pretty game for whatever they could do. 2459 02:26:19,403 --> 02:26:24,580 Inspired by the traditions of gothic horror, the cast and crew of "The Dream Child" 2460 02:26:24,642 --> 02:26:29,250 set out to delve even further into the origins of Freddy's evil. 2461 02:26:29,313 --> 02:26:35,923 I thinkthe dark, gothic thing was partly me because I remember Bob Shaye kept on saying, you know, 2462 02:26:35,987 --> 02:26:37,398 "Every time he hires Europeans 2463 02:26:37,455 --> 02:26:39,196 gargoyles end up on top of buildings," 2464 02:26:39,257 --> 02:26:40,292 and all that kind of stuff. (laughing) 2465 02:26:40,491 --> 02:26:44,530 I also had my most thrilling experience on 2466 02:26:44,595 --> 02:26:48,702 You were going to see who Freddy's father was in the asylum and it was Robert Englund without makeup, 2467 02:26:48,766 --> 02:26:51,747 with my hair all greased back to show my bald spot. 2468 02:26:51,803 --> 02:26:53,783 I play Amanda Krueger, 2469 02:26:53,838 --> 02:26:57,547 the nurse who gets locked into the asylum. It was a dream sequence. 2470 02:26:57,775 --> 02:27:00,415 'Hove the sort of Roger German, you know,' 2471 02:27:00,478 --> 02:27:01,889 huge, 2472 02:27:01,946 --> 02:27:03,448 just the way the asylum looks. 2473 02:27:03,514 --> 02:27:05,357 And I got locked in a room and they'd gotten 2474 02:27:05,416 --> 02:27:07,692 every performance art actor 2475 02:27:07,752 --> 02:27:09,857 where they all got to do their crazy, 2476 02:27:09,921 --> 02:27:12,458 psycho snake pit, "Cuckoo's Nest" thing. 2477 02:27:12,523 --> 02:27:15,367 What you see is what you get, I mean, it was a big room. 2478 02:27:15,426 --> 02:27:18,737 Hundreds of men walking around, acting crazy. 2479 02:27:18,796 --> 02:27:20,400 It got a little hinky, 'cause those actors 2480 02:27:20,464 --> 02:27:23,274 they got a little, you know, it was like a mob. 2481 02:27:23,334 --> 02:27:25,245 And when they said, "Roll," on that 2482 02:27:25,303 --> 02:27:28,079 I was like, "Oh my gosh." 2483 02:27:28,139 --> 02:27:33,316 Yeah, I was really fighting the flow for a while with those guys, 'cause not all of them were film actors 2484 02:27:33,377 --> 02:27:34,515 and they wouldn't hold back. 2485 02:27:34,579 --> 02:27:37,287 Like, "This is scary, this is really scary." 2486 02:27:37,348 --> 02:27:39,555 But it's a very effective sequence 2487 02:27:39,617 --> 02:27:41,619 and it looks like a trillion bucks. 2488 02:27:41,686 --> 02:27:43,893 The idea of a thousand maniacs (laughing) 2489 02:27:43,955 --> 02:27:46,663 raping a nun, that's always good stuff. 2490 02:27:46,891 --> 02:27:49,303 On "Elm Street 5," the changes 2491 02:27:49,360 --> 02:27:52,034 on Freddy were to make him a little more 2492 02:27:52,096 --> 02:27:53,200 aged 2493 02:27:53,264 --> 02:27:54,607 and a little more weathered. 2494 02:27:54,665 --> 02:27:58,203 They brought David Miller back because they wanted to refine the makeup, 2495 02:27:58,269 --> 02:28:00,442 make it easier, make it simpler. 2496 02:28:00,504 --> 02:28:04,509 I just felt - and I don't knowvimat the limitations were, maybe it was time, maybe it was money -- 2497 02:28:04,575 --> 02:28:07,317 that the makeup for "Pan 5" was nowhere as 2498 02:28:07,378 --> 02:28:10,222 refined as the one that Kevin Yagher did. 2499 02:28:13,351 --> 02:28:17,322 Freddy gets born in that crazy birth sequence, (laughing) 2500 02:28:17,388 --> 02:28:20,198 he comes shooting out like the "Alien" out of her vagina 2501 02:28:20,258 --> 02:28:22,602 and runs all over the place. (laughing) 2502 02:28:22,660 --> 02:28:24,105 But it was quite disgusting, too. 2503 02:28:24,161 --> 02:28:25,003 We made a little puppet, 2504 02:28:25,062 --> 02:28:26,302 it was a little foam rubber puppet 2505 02:28:26,364 --> 02:28:28,935 and it had mechanics in the eyes and mouth. 2506 02:28:29,000 --> 02:28:30,877 I got to play with him off set 2507 02:28:30,935 --> 02:28:33,415 and I was making him do this. 2508 02:28:33,471 --> 02:28:36,941 That was kind of when we were at the height of the latex prosthetic 2509 02:28:37,008 --> 02:28:38,487 monster innovation 2510 02:28:38,542 --> 02:28:42,217 period, right in the heartbeat before CGI. 2511 02:28:42,280 --> 02:28:47,457 It was a little challenging because he had to go from being newborn 2512 02:28:47,518 --> 02:28:49,691 little baby, 2513 02:28:49,754 --> 02:28:51,927 all the way up 'til the final Freddy look. 2514 02:28:51,989 --> 02:28:54,833 We actually had a small person 2515 02:28:54,892 --> 02:28:57,236 for Freddy to make the set look bigger as the altar 2516 02:28:57,295 --> 02:28:59,070 rose out of the thing. 2517 02:28:59,130 --> 02:29:00,473 In the church scene 2518 02:29:00,531 --> 02:29:02,238 where I encounter Freddy 2519 02:29:02,300 --> 02:29:05,713 and I tell him that his birth was the curse on the mmole of humanity, 2520 02:29:05,770 --> 02:29:07,545 "I will not allow it to happen again." 2521 02:29:07,605 --> 02:29:11,951 It was also very upsetting as a mother, 'cause Freddy curses. 2522 02:29:12,009 --> 02:29:14,853 "We'll see, bitch." 2523 02:29:14,912 --> 02:29:17,153 I'm his mom and I just didn't think that was very nice. 2524 02:29:17,214 --> 02:29:20,388 There was exactly one line of our dialogue lefi in the film, 2525 02:29:20,451 --> 02:29:23,955 "W5 a boy!" 2526 02:29:24,155 --> 02:29:25,463 but it's also the one they used 2527 02:29:25,523 --> 02:29:27,298 for the poster, so that worked out okay. 2528 02:29:27,358 --> 02:29:34,469 "Jacob, a boy of about six or seven years stands there, watching Alice. He's frail. Other worldly. 2529 02:29:34,532 --> 02:29:38,309 Not ghost-like, but possessing a strange, transcendent quality." 2530 02:29:38,369 --> 02:29:41,714 The first day, admittedly, I was scared because 2531 02:29:41,772 --> 02:29:45,652 Robert's there and he's on set, automatically looks over 2532 02:29:45,710 --> 02:29:51,126 (laughing) and he points at me and he walks towards me, and I almost took a dump at that point. 2533 02:29:51,182 --> 02:29:53,822 The kid is terrific, he'sjust wonderful. 2534 02:29:53,884 --> 02:29:57,161 He'd gone through quite a diff cult period of his life during that film. 2535 02:29:57,221 --> 02:29:59,326 My dad passed away in real life. 2536 02:29:59,390 --> 02:30:07,810 He was my hero and I loved him and it was really great to get to work, you know, and kind of forget about it 2537 02:30:07,865 --> 02:30:10,744 and be in a real state of imagination, 2538 02:30:10,801 --> 02:30:12,940 which is what that set was. 2539 02:30:13,004 --> 02:30:20,479 Amid constant script changes and a rushed production schedule, the cast and crew of "Nightmare 5" 2540 02:30:20,544 --> 02:30:23,718 were left to wonder how, or even if, the finished film would play. 2541 02:30:23,781 --> 02:30:28,389 Now "Nightmare 5" is shooting, having gone through all of these other writers, 2542 02:30:28,452 --> 02:30:30,227 they bring it back to me -- 2543 02:30:30,287 --> 02:30:32,130 the movie that I couldn't get hired to write - 2544 02:30:32,189 --> 02:30:34,260 they brought it back to me for dialogue polish. 2545 02:30:34,325 --> 02:30:37,829 I remember the script was changing as we were going through it. 2546 02:30:37,895 --> 02:30:43,368 We were just racing to do it, and I mean, I didn't really have much time to miss things that weren't there. 2547 02:30:43,434 --> 02:30:47,610 L, eventually, just stopped trying to memorize scenes because I knew they'd be different the next day. 2548 02:30:47,671 --> 02:30:50,151 We would just put together sequences and 2549 02:30:50,207 --> 02:30:53,984 solve problems with storyboard ideas when we couldn't figure out what to do. 2550 02:30:54,045 --> 02:30:58,619 He would sit while were doing the scene, literally, and go, "it'll look like this," you know, and draw the picture. 2551 02:30:58,682 --> 02:31:06,066 There wasn't always a lot of direction happening. Stephen was spread really thin and, he said at one point, 2552 02:31:06,123 --> 02:31:08,034 "You're gonna pretty much have to direct yourself in these scenes." 2553 02:31:08,092 --> 02:31:12,939 We were at an old, like I think it was a Spaghetti Factory or something like that, where they made noodles. 2554 02:31:12,997 --> 02:31:14,135 And there were sets 2555 02:31:14,198 --> 02:31:15,336 everywhere. 2556 02:31:15,399 --> 02:31:19,438 We'd have to shush people because they were trying to build while we were shooting. 2557 02:31:19,503 --> 02:31:22,541 There were all these different levels there and he'd be running up and down stairs 2558 02:31:22,606 --> 02:31:24,916 to all the different locations. 2559 02:31:24,975 --> 02:31:29,321 As I'm talking about it, I can't believe we actually did all this stuff. I mean, I wouldn't even attempt it now. 2560 02:31:29,380 --> 02:31:33,920 If someone showed you a schedule to try and attempt to do all these physical effects or something, you'd just laugh. 2561 02:31:33,984 --> 02:31:36,965 "This boy feels the need for speed." 2562 02:31:37,021 --> 02:31:38,694 I was the first one to die in 2563 02:31:38,756 --> 02:31:39,131 but it was a cool death scene. 2564 02:31:39,390 --> 02:31:45,204 They were working with special effects to build a running motorcycle that looked like it had been beat to hell. 2565 02:31:45,262 --> 02:31:48,402 Every time he was getting stabbed by something from the motorcycle, 2566 02:31:48,466 --> 02:31:51,242 it was starting to convert him into the iron man. 2567 02:31:51,302 --> 02:31:52,212 And, you know, I took a lot of influence from 2568 02:31:52,269 --> 02:31:54,249 Giger, I think, at the time, you know, 2569 02:31:54,305 --> 02:31:55,682 and a couple other great artists. 2570 02:31:55,940 --> 02:32:00,389 It was pretty fun to work with all that stuff and make it look the way it did, because even today 2571 02:32:00,444 --> 02:32:01,479 people are like, "Wow." 2572 02:32:01,545 --> 02:32:03,684 Right on camera it was really good because you could see the stuff 2573 02:32:03,747 --> 02:32:05,249 moving under the skin. 2574 02:32:05,316 --> 02:32:06,761 A lot of it was done in reverse, 2575 02:32:06,817 --> 02:32:09,957 you know, he had prosthetics put underneath the skin, which would pull out. 2576 02:32:10,020 --> 02:32:12,057 We did tests and tests and tests. 2577 02:32:12,123 --> 02:32:13,761 We started with the hypodermics 2578 02:32:13,824 --> 02:32:15,167 then we injected this chemical into it. 2579 02:32:15,226 --> 02:32:19,106 “Oh, nice.“ "Bkchin." “Cool? 2580 02:32:19,263 --> 02:32:21,675 The biggest thing, though, was of course the suit. We had to 2581 02:32:21,732 --> 02:32:23,803 build the suit -- boom -- ground up. 2582 02:32:23,868 --> 02:32:28,078 We didn't have time to do castings, molds. 2583 02:32:28,139 --> 02:32:29,482 The stunt driver was going to be wearing it. 2584 02:32:29,540 --> 02:32:31,918 He came over at least ten times to do fittings 2585 02:32:31,976 --> 02:32:34,752 and we actually had Dan wear the head one time for 2586 02:32:34,812 --> 02:32:36,655 a close-up of just his eyes. 2587 02:32:36,714 --> 02:32:37,988 The end of the scene, they put me inside 2588 02:32:38,048 --> 02:32:40,654 a cab of a truck with all this makeup, a thing on my eye 2589 02:32:40,718 --> 02:32:43,221 and this whole neck piece and I look just wrecked. 2590 02:32:43,287 --> 02:32:44,857 And I have a line where I'm like, "Hey, Alice." 2591 02:32:44,922 --> 02:32:46,162 "Want to make babies?" 2592 02:32:46,223 --> 02:32:50,797 People were pulling over and then I stepped out and they're like, "Oh my God." (laughing) 2593 02:32:50,861 --> 02:32:54,468 And we're like, "No, it's a movie, it's a movie." But it looked so real and it was pretty fun. 2594 02:32:54,532 --> 02:32:55,306 It was like the best 2595 02:32:55,366 --> 02:32:57,209 Halloween costume I've ever had. 2596 02:32:57,268 --> 02:32:58,042 I was devastated 2597 02:32:58,102 --> 02:32:59,547 when I found out they were cutting it dovm. 2598 02:32:59,603 --> 02:33:03,915 I've seen the uncut version and the cut version, and the cut version is just so truncated. 2599 02:33:03,974 --> 02:33:06,113 There's a snake hose thing that comes out of the exhaust pipe 2600 02:33:06,177 --> 02:33:08,179 and it stabs the back of his calf. It's like, 2601 02:33:08,245 --> 02:33:10,782 everything is just about to happen and they cut. 2602 02:33:12,383 --> 02:33:15,262 (screaming) 2603 02:33:15,452 --> 02:33:20,401 We just had to keep on cutting and cutting and cutting. We were sending it back and forward to the MPAA, 2604 02:33:20,457 --> 02:33:21,993 I don't know, twenty times or so. 2605 02:33:22,059 --> 02:33:25,233 They cut out half of everything we did. 2606 02:33:25,296 --> 02:33:28,277 (screaming) 2607 02:33:28,465 --> 02:33:33,881 Well, every sequence in that went a lot further. That's about the best way to describe it. 2608 02:33:33,938 --> 02:33:35,918 "Open wide!" 2609 02:33:35,973 --> 02:33:37,646 My favorite kill would be Greta. 2610 02:33:37,708 --> 02:33:40,484 I think Greta's is really cool. I really do like that one a lot. 2611 02:33:40,544 --> 02:33:45,892 Iwent to high school with a girl named Greta who became a model and was as anorexic as possible. 2612 02:33:46,016 --> 02:33:49,486 Then there was the Monty Python "Meaning of Life" eating scene. 2613 02:33:49,687 --> 02:33:55,000 It just became almost like a vomiting food fight, I mean, it really was gross. 2614 02:33:55,059 --> 02:33:56,561 All the people at the dinner party were 2615 02:33:56,627 --> 02:33:57,935 all laughing and there was something 2616 02:33:57,995 --> 02:33:59,269 clownish and weird about it. 2617 02:33:59,396 --> 02:34:00,773 I like Greta's mom. 2618 02:34:00,998 --> 02:34:02,875 "Don't talk with your mouth full, dear." 2619 02:34:03,167 --> 02:34:07,980 Todd Masters did my makeup and he was fantastic and the first day that 2620 02:34:08,038 --> 02:34:11,747 I went in for a makeup test, we did everything in three stages. 2621 02:34:11,809 --> 02:34:12,981 Spent a lot of time with Todd 2622 02:34:13,043 --> 02:34:18,994 just moving my mouth around and my jaw to see what was the most horrifying way to sell it. (laughing) 2623 02:34:19,049 --> 02:34:20,027 And they wouldn't let me eat. 2624 02:34:20,084 --> 02:34:21,757 They told me that I had to have everything through a straw and we had 2625 02:34:21,819 --> 02:34:24,891 long days and I got hungry. 2626 02:34:24,955 --> 02:34:29,370 And on, like, the third day or something I just said, "You know, forget it. I'm gonna eat, I don't care." 2627 02:34:29,426 --> 02:34:35,604 They served spaghetti with tomato sauce and all that tomato sauce was living in the pocket of 2628 02:34:35,666 --> 02:34:39,512 my chin and I could smell it all day, it was gross. 2629 02:34:39,570 --> 02:34:41,743 And I haven't done heavy prosthetics ever since. (laughing) 2630 02:34:41,805 --> 02:34:47,585 They actually gave me a copy of Erika's head that didn't work for them, 2631 02:34:47,645 --> 02:34:51,991 and I teased her one time that it was my bath toy and she kind of freaked out. (laughing) 2632 02:34:52,049 --> 02:34:55,462 Greta's death was deemed to be much too foul. 2633 02:34:55,519 --> 02:34:56,862 I just know that the scene 2634 02:34:56,920 --> 02:34:58,365 was much longer. 2635 02:34:58,422 --> 02:35:00,129 Much longer and gorier. 2636 02:35:00,190 --> 02:35:02,534 I think Freddy fed herself to herself in the end. 2637 02:35:02,626 --> 02:35:06,836 But it just kind of just happened super fast, the way that it ended up. 2638 02:35:06,897 --> 02:35:09,776 I don't think it uvas as good, it didn't have as much impact. 2639 02:35:09,833 --> 02:35:14,805 It's so silly in nature to take it seriously. 2640 02:35:14,872 --> 02:35:17,216 I think if we had longer post we could've fought more about it. 2641 02:35:19,943 --> 02:35:21,388 Well, the diving board 2642 02:35:21,445 --> 02:35:25,552 scene was complicated because I had food poisoning. 2643 02:35:25,616 --> 02:35:27,596 I was so sick. 2644 02:35:27,651 --> 02:35:28,721 I thought I was going to die. 2645 02:35:28,786 --> 02:35:29,696 But, you know, the show must go on. 2646 02:35:29,887 --> 02:35:35,394 That was, maybe, one of the more complicated ones because everything about it was stop-motion animation. 2647 02:35:35,459 --> 02:35:37,336 We did lots of stop-motion animation in the film. 2648 02:35:37,394 --> 02:35:42,070 We had made foam claws, you know, at the end of the diving board, 2649 02:35:42,132 --> 02:35:44,112 that we animated frame by flame. 2650 02:35:44,168 --> 02:35:46,808 And then the background was projected. 2651 02:35:46,870 --> 02:35:48,543 It was a rear-screen projection. 2652 02:35:48,605 --> 02:35:49,982 And that board had to tum into a claw. 2653 02:35:50,040 --> 02:35:51,815 And that was a difficult one for Kelly to act 2654 02:35:51,875 --> 02:35:53,548 because she had nothing to work with. 2655 02:35:53,610 --> 02:35:54,680 I had never done anything with 2656 02:35:54,745 --> 02:35:56,452 special effects before. 2657 02:35:56,513 --> 02:36:01,019 'Cause it's one thing to see it and you're on the set and then really come to life and you're seeing it on the film. 2658 02:36:01,285 --> 02:36:05,062 There's something, to this day I think, stop-motion gets that nothing else does. 2659 02:36:05,122 --> 02:36:06,624 Digital doesn't really do it 2660 02:36:06,690 --> 02:36:09,102 because, in the end, stop-motion just charms you, I think. 2661 02:36:09,159 --> 02:36:10,638 I think I was surprised 2662 02:36:10,694 --> 02:36:12,002 that that character lived. 2663 02:36:12,062 --> 02:36:14,303 (laughing) Freddy did not kill the black girl! 2664 02:36:14,365 --> 02:36:18,040 I know that he did in another series, but he didn't get me. 2665 02:36:18,102 --> 02:36:21,083 The ultimate thing that I learned from this uvhole experience was that 2666 02:36:21,205 --> 02:36:23,685 hell is writing for other people. 2667 02:36:23,741 --> 02:36:26,153 We had this elaborate sequence 2668 02:36:26,210 --> 02:36:33,287 in this artist's loft where all of her artworks came to life and it uvas really cool. And, eventually, it got turned, 2669 02:36:33,350 --> 02:36:34,488 in the subsequent 13 drafts, 2670 02:36:34,551 --> 02:36:36,394 into a comic book scene where Freddy's on a skateboard. 2671 02:36:36,453 --> 02:36:37,363 ' 2672 02:36:37,421 --> 02:36:39,059 Obviously, the comic book sequence itself 2673 02:36:39,189 --> 02:36:39,963 is preposterous. 2674 02:36:40,023 --> 02:36:43,971 I think I put the superhero sequences in 'cause I'm a comic book freak. 2675 02:36:44,027 --> 02:36:44,971 ' 2676 02:36:45,028 --> 02:36:46,939 I love the reinforcement of the nightmare of the boy 2677 02:36:46,997 --> 02:36:48,874 falling into his own cartoons. 2678 02:36:48,932 --> 02:36:52,106 Mark being sucked into the comic book was pretty straighfom/ard and 2679 02:36:52,169 --> 02:36:54,615 easy, I think. That was pure animation. 2680 02:36:54,705 --> 02:36:56,048 The whole set 2681 02:36:56,106 --> 02:36:57,710 km my death scene was painted mack and mite.. 2682 02:36:57,775 --> 02:36:58,480 You would think it uvas 2683 02:36:58,575 --> 02:37:00,680 just color taken out of the film, but no. 2684 02:37:00,778 --> 02:37:06,057 When they shot those, they made my face really red, they got really bright 2685 02:37:06,116 --> 02:37:07,754 clothes that I was supposed to be in, 2686 02:37:07,818 --> 02:37:09,297 then they keyed everything back. 2687 02:37:09,420 --> 02:37:15,564 That was an interesting day. That was, you know, another actor doing the kind of cartoon Freddy in that. 2688 02:37:15,626 --> 02:37:20,234 "Black and White Freddy leaps to his feet! He is now transformed into Super Freddy." 2689 02:37:20,297 --> 02:37:22,675 They took Robert Englund's prosthetics 2690 02:37:22,733 --> 02:37:23,803 and fit them on my face 2691 02:37:23,901 --> 02:37:27,644 and then put other bits and pieces in there, 'cause I have a bigger head than he has. 2692 02:37:27,738 --> 02:37:30,878 The design for the Phantom Prowler had the 9 mm. 2693 02:37:30,941 --> 02:37:32,318 Th at was the first time I ever shot 2694 02:37:32,376 --> 02:37:33,411 a9mm. 2695 02:37:33,477 --> 02:37:36,890 Just having it "chbk-click" like that, (gunshot) that was really fun. 2696 02:37:36,980 --> 02:37:40,189 That lightning bolt on my shin wasn't supposed to be there, but 2697 02:37:40,250 --> 02:37:44,460 one of the squibs went off and my shirt caught on fire. For me, I thought that uvas normal. 2698 02:37:44,521 --> 02:37:49,061 It's kind of crazy to think of what I had to do just for those couple lines. 2699 02:37:49,126 --> 02:37:52,596 The interesting thing is my death scene, I had almost nothing to do with it. 2700 02:37:52,663 --> 02:37:56,543 We used a replacement animation series 2701 02:37:56,600 --> 02:37:58,341 of cut-outs and I animated it 2702 02:37:58,402 --> 02:37:59,745 frame by flame 2703 02:37:59,803 --> 02:38:02,943 to finish the action. That's the one that took the slash. 2704 02:38:03,006 --> 02:38:06,010 So, it was all done in the camera, basically, there was no 2705 02:38:06,076 --> 02:38:07,384 opticals involved. 2706 02:38:07,444 --> 02:38:11,324 I was, I found out afler it happened, and I saw 2707 02:38:11,381 --> 02:38:13,452 Kelly Jo and Lisa crying and 2708 02:38:13,517 --> 02:38:16,396 they were shooting the scene after I'd died and they said, 2709 02:38:16,453 --> 02:38:18,797 "You died last night." And I went, "Huh? What?" 2710 02:38:18,856 --> 02:38:23,100 After we finished, I finish ed the Freddy Krueger stuff, the next thing you know I was laying in bed with this hot chick. 2711 02:38:23,160 --> 02:38:26,539 You see those two bodies at the beginning when the credits are rolling and they're making love. 2712 02:38:26,597 --> 02:38:27,871 That's me. 2713 02:38:27,931 --> 02:38:32,607 It was just sort of a supposed, you know, stylized love sequence we were shooting. 2714 02:38:32,669 --> 02:38:37,550 And they said, "So Michael, what would you think about doing a love scene?" 2715 02:38:37,608 --> 02:38:39,554 I said, "As Super Freddy?" 2716 02:38:39,610 --> 02:38:44,992 And he's buff, (laughing) he's like Lou Ferrigno buff. So, it's like, however they made it look, 2717 02:38:45,048 --> 02:38:46,186 it made me look good. 2718 02:38:46,250 --> 02:38:46,557 Thanks, Michael. 2719 02:38:46,683 --> 02:38:51,189 Definitely an experience. I'm like, "Damn, this is Hollywood. I love it. I want to do this more ofien." 2720 02:38:51,255 --> 02:38:58,104 After the loss of Dan and her friends, the stage was now set for Alice's final showdown with Freddy. 2721 02:38:58,161 --> 02:39:01,631 But with the fate of Alice's unbom dream child hanging in the balance, 2722 02:39:01,698 --> 02:39:06,204 the filmmakers were desperate to find yet another fitting end for Freddy Krueger. 2723 02:39:06,970 --> 02:39:08,950 We had no ending to this movie, so 2724 02:39:09,006 --> 02:39:12,249 Stephen did some wonderful sketches. 2725 02:39:12,309 --> 02:39:16,257 The exorcism sequence is something I wanted to do 'cause I'm a big "Exorcist" fan and I stuck it in. 2726 02:39:16,313 --> 02:39:17,815 Stephen had such a vision 2727 02:39:17,881 --> 02:39:20,293 for that set. it was just in credible. 2728 02:39:20,350 --> 02:39:24,389 There was a certain quiet eeriness about it. 2729 02:39:24,454 --> 02:39:27,663 It was mind-bending to work out because you had to really, 2730 02:39:27,724 --> 02:39:29,670 really work out in your head not 2731 02:39:29,726 --> 02:39:31,433 the reality of what was going on, but 2732 02:39:31,495 --> 02:39:34,101 the unreality. So getting all the angles right and stuff. 2733 02:39:34,164 --> 02:39:35,336 I had to hang upside down. 2734 02:39:35,432 --> 02:39:38,709 It was the single-most diff cult thing I had to do, though, in any of the movies. 2735 02:39:38,769 --> 02:39:40,749 I mean, the moment they said "Cut" it was "Guys, come and lift me up." 2736 02:39:40,804 --> 02:39:42,545 But, you know, the blood rushes to your head. 2737 02:39:42,606 --> 02:39:46,076 There were so many high points in visual effects and fantasy in the film, trying to beat them all 2738 02:39:46,143 --> 02:39:47,315 at the end was pretty tough. 2739 02:39:47,411 --> 02:39:52,986 Mostly, what I remember about "Nightmare 5" was that it gave K.N.B. the opportunity to really go nuts. 2740 02:39:53,050 --> 02:39:58,864 We basically handled this transformation sequence where Lisa turns into Freddy and then splits. 2741 02:39:58,956 --> 02:40:02,335 I had to wear the Freddy makeup for a mmole day, 2742 02:40:02,392 --> 02:40:03,268 about twelve hours. 2743 02:40:03,327 --> 02:40:05,170 It was not comfortable. (laughing) 2744 02:40:05,228 --> 02:40:06,263 And in the final stage 2745 02:40:06,330 --> 02:40:07,604 it was Lisa's head and Robert's head, you know, 2746 02:40:07,664 --> 02:40:09,337 it's a puppet head in like this 2747 02:40:09,399 --> 02:40:11,072 and then pulled apart like this. 2748 02:40:11,134 --> 02:40:13,910 It was a challenge wnen Freddy's coming out of me. 2749 02:40:13,971 --> 02:40:18,078 There's a paraplegic gentleman there and she was having to hang onto him. 2750 02:40:18,141 --> 02:40:25,320 They took his, you know, legless torso and kind of harnessed it to Lisa Wilcox's body. 2751 02:40:25,382 --> 02:40:28,295 He was on wires, I mean, it was just endless. 2752 02:40:28,352 --> 02:40:32,562 I don't know, in a million years I wouldnt have thought they would find a legless actor to do that. 2753 02:40:32,623 --> 02:40:38,938 Probably no one's seen anything quite like the final battle of "Nightmare on Elm Street." It came out of desperate 2754 02:40:38,996 --> 02:40:41,806 script writing at the end, trying to work out really how to end it and 2755 02:40:41,865 --> 02:40:46,541 how to show this kid's anger with Freddy. 2756 02:40:46,603 --> 02:40:48,844 I'd say, "I kill Freddy." And they'd say, "How?" and I'd go, 2757 02:40:48,905 --> 02:40:55,754 "How do I describe that?" I, and literally this is the only way that a 10- or 11-year-old can describe it, 2758 02:40:55,812 --> 02:40:58,019 "I barf on him." 2759 02:40:58,615 --> 02:40:59,753 That's what I would say. 2760 02:40:59,883 --> 02:41:01,021 I'd say I barf on him and it goes through him and there's 2761 02:41:01,084 --> 02:41:02,222 heads on it. 2762 02:41:02,285 --> 02:41:03,355 Having all these creatures 2763 02:41:03,420 --> 02:41:08,130 that Freddy had eaten coming out of his chest on long tendrils 2764 02:41:08,191 --> 02:41:10,262 like umbilical chords, which were all 2765 02:41:10,327 --> 02:41:12,568 on wires and puppets. 2766 02:41:12,629 --> 02:41:13,937 Visually very interesting, 2767 02:41:13,997 --> 02:41:20,380 but I think that a lot of those things were attempts to cover the fact that they had 2768 02:41:20,437 --> 02:41:23,975 liposuctioned all the soul and intelligence out of the story. 2769 02:41:24,041 --> 02:41:26,954 I don't think you can ever kill Freddy, right? I mean, you can do what you like, 2770 02:41:27,010 --> 02:41:28,648 he doesn't exist, he's a dream. 2771 02:41:28,712 --> 02:41:30,885 He was still struggling at the end to get out. 2772 02:41:30,947 --> 02:41:35,054 I think it's one of the things about a bad guy: that is, you can't kill him. 2773 02:41:35,118 --> 02:41:36,563 You can make as many as you like. 2774 02:41:36,620 --> 02:41:43,196 After four hugely successful "Nightmares", each one having outperformed the last, "The Dream Child" 2775 02:41:43,260 --> 02:41:50,075 was released less than a year after its predecessor on August 11 , 1989 to generally negative reviews, 2776 02:41:50,133 --> 02:41:53,444 becoming the lowest grossing film of the series. 2777 02:41:53,503 --> 02:41:57,918 People forget, "Nightmare on Elm Street 5" was a success - it was even a hit -- 2778 02:41:57,974 --> 02:41:59,419 it just wasn't a blockbuster. 2779 02:41:59,476 --> 02:42:02,082 I think it came out very quickly after "4" 2780 02:42:02,145 --> 02:42:05,718 and I'm not sure ifthafs, you know, it's a little less of an event. 2781 02:42:05,782 --> 02:42:09,127 Stephen did a lot of wonderful, disorienting work on that. 2782 02:42:09,186 --> 02:42:15,865 I thought he did a wonderful job, so I wouldn't blame necessarily any of the people 2783 02:42:15,926 --> 02:42:17,234 making the movie. 2784 02:42:17,294 --> 02:42:20,832 Maybe it was the fact that Freddy was a little played out. 2785 02:42:20,897 --> 02:42:23,343 This was a period mmere, fans will tell you, 2786 02:42:23,400 --> 02:42:25,175 the series was in decline. 2787 02:42:25,235 --> 02:42:30,878 And I tried to live up to the promise that I made to the fans that we were not going to make a movie that 2788 02:42:30,941 --> 02:42:32,249 we did not think was going to be good, 2789 02:42:32,309 --> 02:42:35,222 "5" was arguably lame. 2790 02:42:35,278 --> 02:42:39,920 Honestly I wish it was scarier. If it's a series, you have to work really hard at 2791 02:42:39,983 --> 02:42:44,193 keeping it at what it's original roots were and I think it kind of strayed fiom that. 2792 02:42:44,254 --> 02:42:46,234 As an ongoing narrative 2793 02:42:46,289 --> 02:42:47,700 of what happens to everybody 2794 02:42:47,758 --> 02:42:49,032 on Elm Street, 2795 02:42:49,092 --> 02:42:51,595 probably a lesser movie in the canon. 2796 02:42:51,661 --> 02:42:54,904 I have to take some of the blame for 2797 02:42:54,965 --> 02:42:58,003 "Nightmare 5" not working since the story was so much a pan of 2798 02:42:58,068 --> 02:43:00,048 what I wanted to say. 2799 02:43:00,103 --> 02:43:05,143 They touched on some really serious issues. Abortion. I mean, that's heavy. 2800 02:43:05,208 --> 02:43:09,054 I don't think it was the "Pro-choice Nightmare." I think it was like 2801 02:43:09,112 --> 02:43:14,084 controversy for controversy's sake and if we made a political point, fine. 2802 02:43:14,151 --> 02:43:16,597 So it's like the "Juno" of horror movies. (laughing) 2803 02:43:16,653 --> 02:43:19,031 I guess she should have aborted him, right? 2804 02:43:19,089 --> 02:43:20,534 Maybe it shows abortion's a good thing. (laughing) 2805 02:43:36,139 --> 02:43:40,554 After the disappointment of "The Dream Child," New Line Cinema found itself at a crossroads with 2806 02:43:40,610 --> 02:43:44,854 the future of Freddy Krueger, prompting their boldest move yet. 2807 02:43:44,915 --> 02:43:49,057 Frankly, like with everything in the world, it's time to move on. I mean, we were 2808 02:43:49,119 --> 02:43:52,657 truly running out of good ideas and I sensed that. 2809 02:43:52,722 --> 02:43:56,363 And so they wanted to do, you know, what could they do to go outwith a bang. 2810 02:43:56,426 --> 02:44:01,535 The only way now to revive it after "5" hadn't been as successful, is let's make sure that 2811 02:44:01,598 --> 02:44:04,306 everyone knew it was the last "Nightmare." 2812 02:44:04,367 --> 02:44:07,814 So it will be the end of Freddy, we'll kill off Freddy and it's the end. 2813 02:44:07,871 --> 02:44:09,475 There was always multiple drafts going 2814 02:44:09,539 --> 02:44:14,318 and I had been a big, big fan of a young New Zealand filmmaker by the name of Peter Jackson 2815 02:44:14,377 --> 02:44:17,256 and I'd been talking him up for a while and I made the case. 2816 02:44:17,314 --> 02:44:21,353 Peter and his -- he had a writing partner at that time named Danny Mulharen -- 2817 02:44:21,418 --> 02:44:22,920 the two of them wrote a script. 2818 02:44:22,986 --> 02:44:28,834 Peter Jackson, actually, he tu med out a draft of "Elm Street 6." 2819 02:44:28,892 --> 02:44:32,135 He was in our offlce typing away at the time. 2820 02:44:32,195 --> 02:44:35,335 In his conception Freddy is this kind of. 2821 02:44:35,398 --> 02:44:38,242 Tired, decrepit figure. No one takes him seriously anymore. 2822 02:44:38,301 --> 02:44:40,542 In fact, in the ultimate sort of insult, 2823 02:44:40,604 --> 02:44:45,383 kids put themselves to sleep with laughing gas or sleeping pills just so they can go and 2824 02:44:45,442 --> 02:44:47,786 kick him and beat on him, kind of "Clockwork Orange"-style. 2825 02:44:47,844 --> 02:44:51,849 That's what the kids of Elm Street do now 'cause he's such a joke. 2826 02:44:51,915 --> 02:44:58,059 And at one point, you know, Freddy sort of manages to kill one of these kids, you know, 2827 02:44:58,121 --> 02:45:01,500 just enough to sort of get some energy back. 2828 02:45:01,558 --> 02:45:04,664 And there's a cop. He gets involved in a fire in a house and is sort of 2829 02:45:04,728 --> 02:45:07,334 knocked out and ends up in a coma. 2830 02:45:07,397 --> 02:45:11,243 And because he's in the coma, he's permanently in Freddy-world. 2831 02:45:11,301 --> 02:45:13,804 When "Nightmare 6" came up I basically said, 2832 02:45:13,870 --> 02:45:16,043 "Would you allow me to direct it?" 2833 02:45:16,106 --> 02:45:20,020 You've given me these promotions and they expected me to come back and produce it. 2834 02:45:20,076 --> 02:45:23,023 So, Peter and Danny were writing this draft and 2835 02:45:23,079 --> 02:45:27,585 DeLuca was also writing a drafi -- totally different -- and 2836 02:45:27,651 --> 02:45:29,688 that draft became "Freddy's Dead." 2837 02:45:29,753 --> 02:45:33,530 I said, "We shouldn't call it "Nightmare on Elm Street Part 6," we should call it "Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare," 2838 02:45:33,590 --> 02:45:35,126 which everyone loved. 2839 02:45:35,191 --> 02:45:38,331 When the smoke cleared, everyone decided that DeLuca's script for Rachel was the way to go. 2840 02:45:38,395 --> 02:45:43,003 But, you know, the great benefit of what Peter and Danny did 2841 02:45:43,066 --> 02:45:48,846 is through that process of really working at New Line, that sort of sealed Peters introduction 2842 02:45:48,905 --> 02:45:52,580 to Shaye and really laid the foundation for 2843 02:45:52,642 --> 02:45:55,179 what would come mu ch later, which was "Lord of the Rings." 2844 02:45:55,245 --> 02:45:57,748 I was happy to do "6" because of Rachel. 2845 02:45:57,814 --> 02:46:01,591 Rachel was getting to direct. I go way back to Roger Corman days with Rachel. 2846 02:46:01,651 --> 02:46:04,461 I was very excited to hear she was directing one of them, 2847 02:46:04,521 --> 02:46:06,967 that's, I thought, "Wow, that's a great story." 2848 02:46:07,023 --> 02:46:10,596 Going from sitting in an office desk to going up to directing one of the films. 2849 02:46:10,660 --> 02:46:16,338 For the first time in Elm Street's history, the story moved from suburban Springwood - 2850 02:46:16,399 --> 02:46:23,408 the now abandoned tov\m that Krueger had all but destroyed - to an inner city shelterv\mere a young man with no memory, 2851 02:46:23,473 --> 02:46:29,424 a group of outcast teens and a woman with a secret, battled Freddy once and for all. 2852 02:46:29,479 --> 02:46:31,459 It was very diff cult making the choice 2853 02:46:31,514 --> 02:46:32,720 of Shun Greenblatt. 2854 02:46:32,782 --> 02:46:37,697 I know that we had the most difficulty casting that pan because the pan was, you know, 2855 02:46:37,754 --> 02:46:39,256 somebody who doesn't have a memory. 2856 02:46:39,322 --> 02:46:45,762 "Close up on an eighteen-year-old named John. His face betrays a map of anxieties, an expression 2857 02:46:45,829 --> 02:46:47,604 better suited to a middle-aged neurotic." 2858 02:46:47,664 --> 02:46:53,239 You think I'm Freddy's son, that was the big hook. You know, Freddy had a child, who was he, 2859 02:46:53,303 --> 02:46:54,839 how come I'm still alive 2860 02:46:54,904 --> 02:46:57,407 all the other kids are dead in Springwood. 2861 02:46:57,474 --> 02:47:02,890 Then using that as a catalyst for the story and for Freddy's character, 2862 02:47:02,946 --> 02:47:04,118 to use me as a catalyst 2863 02:47:04,180 --> 02:47:05,659 to get out of Springwood 2864 02:47:05,715 --> 02:47:06,819 to torment the rest of the world. 2865 02:47:06,883 --> 02:47:11,229 The kids I remember because you fall in love with, you know, you meet all these really interesting kids. 2866 02:47:11,287 --> 02:47:16,760 "Carlos, a 16-year-old deaf boy, "narrates" like a sports commentator as Tracy 2867 02:47:16,826 --> 02:47:19,705 rigorously works out on a punching bag." 2868 02:47:19,763 --> 02:47:25,304 I was supposed to play the lead. I was brought in to play Shun Greenblatfs pan. 2869 02:47:25,368 --> 02:47:28,713 When I read the script I just felt more connected to Carlos. 2870 02:47:28,772 --> 02:47:33,016 I immediately clicked with the character when I read it and that's how I do everything. 2871 02:47:33,076 --> 02:47:37,081 I guess you could say, you know, worked out for me and worked out for him. 2872 02:47:37,147 --> 02:47:40,526 Then I got this wonderful actress, Lezlie Deane, who starred 2873 02:47:40,583 --> 02:47:42,392 for me in "976-EVIL" 2874 02:47:42,452 --> 02:47:44,955 New evocative of Jodie Foster 'amen she was young.. 2875 02:47:45,021 --> 02:47:48,434 "Maggie tums and moves toward two security guards struggling with 2876 02:47:48,491 --> 02:47:50,835 a seventeen-year-old gin named Tracy." 2877 02:47:50,894 --> 02:47:54,740 Well I think Rachel read the scene with me and 2878 02:47:54,798 --> 02:47:57,608 we actually, you know, got up and started fighting. 2879 02:47:57,667 --> 02:48:01,945 We got like a little like, "yeah, yeah, yeah." It got aggressive, I mean, you know 2880 02:48:02,005 --> 02:48:03,245 in a safe kind ofway, but it was really, 2881 02:48:03,306 --> 02:48:06,549 that was actually one of the funnest interviews I'd ever done before. 2882 02:48:06,609 --> 02:48:09,317 Breckin Meyers an amazing guy. 2883 02:48:09,379 --> 02:48:12,019 He's come a long way, he's got a great career going right now. 2884 02:48:12,082 --> 02:48:17,657 He's a good guy. Lezlie Deane's one of my best fiiends. We all stayed connected, which was really cool. 2885 02:48:17,720 --> 02:48:20,200 Me and Ricky and Breckin, I mean, we were like 2886 02:48:20,256 --> 02:48:21,257 three peas in a pod. 2887 02:48:21,324 --> 02:48:22,428 You couldn't separate us. 2888 02:48:22,492 --> 02:48:25,564 Then we got class actors in there, like Lisa Zane and 2889 02:48:25,628 --> 02:48:28,108 Yaphet Kotto giving it gravitas. 2890 02:48:28,164 --> 02:48:32,237 "We see that Maggie's a striking woman, lucky enough to possess that rare combination 2891 02:48:32,302 --> 02:48:34,543 of beauty, strength, and confidence." 2892 02:48:34,604 --> 02:48:40,577 She was, you know, somehow innerly compelled to protect children, not knowing what 2893 02:48:40,643 --> 02:48:41,644 her own secret was yet. 2894 02:48:41,711 --> 02:48:45,488 Lisa Zane I really liked for the pan because she had this sort of waif-like feel that 2895 02:48:45,548 --> 02:48:48,586 you sometimes thought she was quite lost. 2896 02:48:48,651 --> 02:48:51,928 You can't keep your eyes off her on the set. She's like a cat, she's so feline. 2897 02:48:51,988 --> 02:48:54,594 And she would throw you offtrack. You would never believe that she was 2898 02:48:54,657 --> 02:48:56,227 Freddy's daughter in some way. 2899 02:48:56,292 --> 02:48:57,566 'They said,' 2900 02:48:57,627 --> 02:48:59,197 "You're his daughter and you get to kill him." 2901 02:48:59,262 --> 02:49:01,037 I was like, "Wow, alright. That sounds pretty good. 2902 02:49:01,097 --> 02:49:02,974 Can I get that in m/riting?" (laughing) 2903 02:49:03,032 --> 02:49:08,175 If you're going to make a story about Freddy's daughter then you're talking about the mythology to start with, 2904 02:49:08,238 --> 02:49:11,742 so that was basically where we started with the original story ideas. 2905 02:49:11,808 --> 02:49:14,721 Rachel, you know, certainly had 2906 02:49:14,777 --> 02:49:18,782 a bit of a stain from her work with John Waters, you know, she has that sensibility. 2907 02:49:18,848 --> 02:49:20,418 Let's not be coy about this. 2908 02:49:20,483 --> 02:49:22,759 A lot of the crew members were 2909 02:49:22,819 --> 02:49:24,821 John Waters crew members. 2910 02:49:24,888 --> 02:49:30,361 Our Prop Master at the time was married to Traci Lords. I mean, you know, it just doesn't get any better than that. (laughing) 2911 02:49:30,426 --> 02:49:34,169 We set out to have fun on that movie and there's stuff in that movie that I love. 2912 02:49:34,230 --> 02:49:35,641 The first scene 2913 02:49:35,698 --> 02:49:39,976 in the airplane, the beautiful, robust actress to my right 2914 02:49:40,036 --> 02:49:44,644 was actually a replacement. The original person who was supposed to do that role was 2915 02:49:44,707 --> 02:49:45,879 the great Divine, 2916 02:49:45,942 --> 02:49:49,048 who had passed away right before we started shooting. 2917 02:49:49,112 --> 02:49:56,758 We intentionally made a decision, you know, to kind of do a Warner Bros. cartoon. 2918 02:49:56,819 --> 02:49:59,060 It was just after "Twin Peaks" came out and so 2919 02:49:59,122 --> 02:50:02,763 there's a huge influence of "Twin Peaks" in it, which is why I went toward humor, quirky humor 2920 02:50:02,825 --> 02:50:06,295 more than horror. 2921 02:50:06,362 --> 02:50:08,740 It does have a great sight gag, though, when Freddy drags out 2922 02:50:08,798 --> 02:50:10,471 the big can of spikes. 2923 02:50:10,533 --> 02:50:11,978 That image in my mind 2924 02:50:12,035 --> 02:50:16,484 is like Bugs Bunny doing it in some old Bugs Bunny cartoon that I loved. 2925 02:50:16,539 --> 02:50:20,248 There's a town just full of adults who are sad because their children are gone and 2926 02:50:20,310 --> 02:50:23,621 seeing that carnival scene with all the adults wandering 2927 02:50:23,680 --> 02:50:26,183 around kind of aimlessly and heartbroken. 2928 02:50:26,249 --> 02:50:28,695 The carnival scene was so creepy 2929 02:50:28,751 --> 02:50:30,753 because there weren't any kids left but us. 2930 02:50:30,820 --> 02:50:33,266 And we wanted it to be chock full of cameos. We got 2931 02:50:33,323 --> 02:50:34,961 Tom and Roseanne in that, 2932 02:50:35,024 --> 02:50:38,233 who were like the biggest tabloid couple in the world at that time. 2933 02:50:38,294 --> 02:50:40,501 Obviously they weren't doing it for the money or anything else; they were doing it 2934 02:50:40,563 --> 02:50:41,735 because they were a fan of the series 2935 02:50:41,798 --> 02:50:43,937 and they were like wanting to be a pan of the last one. 2936 02:50:44,000 --> 02:50:46,207 They just spent most of theirtime pawing each other. 2937 02:50:46,269 --> 02:50:49,341 Dry humping each other in the makeup trailer, you know. (laughing) 2938 02:50:49,405 --> 02:50:51,112 And I get kissed on the face 2939 02:50:51,174 --> 02:50:54,018 by Roseanne. I mean, that was amazing. 2940 02:50:54,077 --> 02:50:58,025 Unfortunately, we ended up keeping her for like the whole day. I think she thought she'd be in 2941 02:50:58,081 --> 02:51:01,221 and out in two hours. I think it was not a good experience for her. 2942 02:51:01,284 --> 02:51:04,697 One of the cool things was the kid Carlos 2943 02:51:04,754 --> 02:51:06,097 who wore the hearing aid. 2944 02:51:06,155 --> 02:51:10,467 "Aaaaahhh, mommy, not my ear!" 2945 02:51:10,526 --> 02:51:12,301 The q-tip from hell. 2946 02:51:12,362 --> 02:51:17,573 Any child who's ever had an earache knows what it's like when somebody comes 2947 02:51:17,634 --> 02:51:18,942 towards you with a q-tip. 2948 02:51:19,002 --> 02:51:23,644 Canes' death, which I think is probably the most effective death that I did in "Freddy's Dead." 2949 02:51:23,706 --> 02:51:25,811 We worked our butts off to do that. 2950 02:51:25,875 --> 02:51:27,616 I mean, just the makeup every day, 2951 02:51:27,677 --> 02:51:32,387 to put the earpiece on that you saw. You know, I was in four hours of makeup 2952 02:51:32,448 --> 02:51:33,984 before we even started shooting. We were shooting 2953 02:51:34,050 --> 02:51:36,496 in this electric plant 2954 02:51:36,552 --> 02:51:37,656 that was like the real deal. 2955 02:51:37,720 --> 02:51:39,859 We weren't allowed to get any blood in there, 2956 02:51:39,922 --> 02:51:41,765 but we had to blow the kid's head up. 2957 02:51:41,824 --> 02:51:45,135 It was sort of a "Scanners" kind of a deal. 2958 02:51:45,194 --> 02:51:48,835 And Bob wanted to do something more interesting and he had this idea that we could 2959 02:51:48,898 --> 02:51:50,844 blow the head up like puzzle pieces. 2960 02:51:50,900 --> 02:51:52,811 Weird, organic head parts. 2961 02:51:52,869 --> 02:51:56,840 And I really now wish that we had done something like that, that was more visual 2962 02:51:56,906 --> 02:51:58,010 and more interesting. 2963 02:51:58,074 --> 02:52:00,554 "Nice hearing from you, Canes." (laughing) 2964 02:52:00,810 --> 02:52:03,416 When Breckin did the whole video game and got sucked into 2965 02:52:03,479 --> 02:52:07,950 the TV, and to see that mmole thing on set, was, you know, was really cool. 2966 02:52:08,017 --> 02:52:10,497 Some of the scripts, the writers will indict 2967 02:52:10,553 --> 02:52:12,430 a particular teen fad and 2968 02:52:12,488 --> 02:52:14,434 Freddy kind of throws it back 2969 02:52:14,490 --> 02:52:16,629 at 'em, you know. I mean, "Nightmare 6" when he says, 2970 02:52:16,693 --> 02:52:18,172 "Great graphics," 2971 02:52:18,227 --> 02:52:20,366 you know, is like one of the first gamerjokes ever. 2972 02:52:20,430 --> 02:52:23,172 Before the Wii, Nintendo had this Power Glove 2973 02:52:23,232 --> 02:52:24,905 it didn't work at all, but 2974 02:52:24,967 --> 02:52:30,576 was this totally groovy looking glove, and you sort of moved it around like the Wii and said, 2975 02:52:30,640 --> 02:52:32,210 "Now I'm playing with power." 2976 02:52:32,275 --> 02:52:35,552 And we wanted to use the Power Glove 2977 02:52:35,611 --> 02:52:40,685 and Nintendo said, "No." And Bob said, "I don't care that they said no, I'm going to do it anyway." 2978 02:52:40,750 --> 02:52:43,731 "Now I'm playing with power." 2979 02:52:43,786 --> 02:52:49,429 I really want to do this and it's really a great line, but I think it's really risky. Bob said, "I don't care," you know, "whatever." 2980 02:52:49,492 --> 02:52:54,771 And we used it and it's great and it sold more Power Gloves and Nintendo never sued. (laughing) 2981 02:52:54,831 --> 02:52:57,607 But that's the kind of maverick Bob story that I absolutely love. 2982 02:52:57,667 --> 02:53:04,551 One of the more disturbing scenes in the movie deals with child molestation. 2983 02:53:04,607 --> 02:53:07,087 It was really interesting whenever I shot 2984 02:53:07,143 --> 02:53:09,885 the scene with my father. I thought to myself, 2985 02:53:09,946 --> 02:53:14,122 "God this scene's coming really easy to me, I don't have to go prepare for it or anything. 2986 02:53:14,183 --> 02:53:20,464 And I was like, that's cool in a way because it wasn't really hard work. And then, maybe three weeks later 2987 02:53:20,523 --> 02:53:22,264 after that, I started getting flashes 2988 02:53:22,325 --> 02:53:24,100 of being molested. It was weird how 2989 02:53:24,160 --> 02:53:26,572 it just sort of pulled that scar back. 2990 02:53:26,629 --> 02:53:31,772 Ultimately, in her dream, she sort of realizes her fantasy 2991 02:53:31,834 --> 02:53:33,871 and she beats the crap out of this guy 2992 02:53:33,936 --> 02:53:35,244 that's been abusing her. 2993 02:53:35,304 --> 02:53:37,250 That scene actually changed my life. 2994 02:53:37,306 --> 02:53:39,809 It set me on a journey in life 2995 02:53:39,876 --> 02:53:43,653 of dealing with things and dealing with my own fears. 2996 02:53:43,713 --> 02:53:47,820 So that scene right there was very poignant. 2997 02:53:47,884 --> 02:53:52,594 I think all that father-daughter stufiis nasty and cool and no one could've come up with that but Rachel. 2998 02:53:52,789 --> 02:53:55,702 We were doing the fighting scene 2999 02:53:55,758 --> 02:53:59,763 and he went back like that to hit me with his glove and he actually 3000 02:53:59,829 --> 02:54:01,331 hit me. 3001 02:54:01,397 --> 02:54:06,471 I had to go to the hospital, get stitches, get a tetanus shot. So, I have a scar. 3002 02:54:06,536 --> 02:54:12,509 So that scar on me I get to look at every day in the mirror and be reminded of Robert Englund. 3003 02:54:12,575 --> 02:54:14,384 Why does Lezlie Deane survive 3004 02:54:14,444 --> 02:54:17,857 in that movie? She has no business surviving in that movie. 3005 02:54:17,914 --> 02:54:20,087 Way too many people survive in that movie. 3006 02:54:20,149 --> 02:54:20,786 It's ridiculous. 3007 02:54:20,983 --> 02:54:23,691 It was important to me to 3008 02:54:23,753 --> 02:54:25,630 come up with things that expanded the mythology. 3009 02:54:25,688 --> 02:54:30,797 And I think that was important in order to kill Freddy, that you had to understand more about his backstory. 3010 02:54:30,860 --> 02:54:32,737 And in the original script, 3011 02:54:32,795 --> 02:54:35,207 there was this sequence that was described as 3012 02:54:35,264 --> 02:54:38,211 "a Mr. Toad's Wild Ride through his psyche," 3013 02:54:38,267 --> 02:54:40,076 and that sounded wild. 3014 02:54:40,136 --> 02:54:42,742 I thought it was a really clever way of 3015 02:54:42,805 --> 02:54:46,048 making you feel a little sorry for him or 3016 02:54:46,108 --> 02:54:48,884 vulnerable for a split second. 3017 02:54:48,945 --> 02:54:50,947 I get offers all the time to play villains in 3018 02:54:51,013 --> 02:54:55,962 certain things and, at that point, when they said to play Freddy's father, I said, "Well, 3019 02:54:56,018 --> 02:54:58,157 as long as I don't have to look like Alice Cooper. 3020 02:54:58,221 --> 02:55:03,170 If I can look like a hayseed, really degenerate, old drunk." 3021 02:55:03,226 --> 02:55:04,864 I thought I'd play the most disgusting 3022 02:55:04,927 --> 02:55:06,531 father I can play. 3023 02:55:06,596 --> 02:55:11,375 The coolest thing ever (laughing) was getting Alice Cooper and 3024 02:55:11,434 --> 02:55:13,004 the most excited I'd ever seen the crew. 3025 02:55:13,069 --> 02:55:16,346 I mean, the crews excited to see Johnny Depp and all that, 3026 02:55:16,405 --> 02:55:20,353 but, the crew having Alice Cooper on set was like, "Aaaahhhh!" 3027 02:55:20,409 --> 02:55:25,688 I always knew they'd find a way to blame me for Freddy. (laughing) 3028 02:55:25,748 --> 02:55:27,056 I got blamed for the Vietnam War, for everything else. 3029 02:55:27,316 --> 02:55:32,231 That was very cooLA lot of people wanted to killAlice Cooper, you know, early on in his career, 3030 02:55:32,288 --> 02:55:33,392 and I got to. 3031 02:55:33,456 --> 02:55:39,270 Tobe Sexton, who played young Freddy, really had it dovm. 3032 02:55:39,328 --> 02:55:42,468 To play the young version of Freddy Krueger was something I really took seriously and 3033 02:55:42,532 --> 02:55:48,915 something I really took time to, like, work on. And, actually, I met up with Robert Englund and 3034 02:55:48,971 --> 02:55:53,920 found out about the character, how he did the voice, where he kind of brought it from. 3035 02:55:53,976 --> 02:55:56,957 'Cause I thinkthafs kind of the essence of Freddy. 3036 02:55:57,013 --> 02:55:58,549 And he really did play it well. 3037 02:55:58,614 --> 02:56:02,221 He really had the eyes down on the mmole thing. 3038 02:56:02,285 --> 02:56:05,630 There was a secondary scene there where he goes after me with a blade, 3039 02:56:05,688 --> 02:56:07,292 but maybe it was too heavy. 3040 02:56:07,356 --> 02:56:08,926 "Go inside honey." 3041 02:56:08,991 --> 02:56:11,096 You see Freddy and his daughter, 3042 02:56:11,160 --> 02:56:13,800 you see her as a little girl in that creepy backyard. 3043 02:56:13,863 --> 02:56:15,433 Working on this film as a little girl, was a really 3044 02:56:15,498 --> 02:56:18,445 terrifying experience, to say the least. (laughing) 3045 02:56:18,501 --> 02:56:21,243 This is supposed to be my father and he's, you know, brutally murdering 3046 02:56:21,304 --> 02:56:22,681 my mother, banging her head against the 3047 02:56:22,738 --> 02:56:25,514 house. And seeing that, the tears just kind of 3048 02:56:25,575 --> 02:56:28,488 started to flow. 3049 02:56:28,544 --> 02:56:34,085 You know, I just went with it and tried to imagine that that uvas really happening. 3050 02:56:34,150 --> 02:56:39,930 For Kruegefis last stand, New Line Cinema tried to live up to the promise to save the best for last, 3051 02:56:39,989 --> 02:56:44,734 employing a gimmick that would make Freddy's finale trulyjump off the screen. 3052 02:56:44,794 --> 02:56:50,972 There's the great thing that Rachel came up with and for me, it's that wonderful 3-D sequence. 3053 02:56:51,033 --> 02:56:54,310 The 3-D element was, again, a gimmick 3054 02:56:54,370 --> 02:56:57,249 that we thought could revive the series. 3055 02:56:57,306 --> 02:56:59,877 This idea of doing the last ten minutes in 3-D, 3056 02:56:59,942 --> 02:57:02,980 which was a tremendously complex technology at that point. 3057 02:57:03,045 --> 02:57:06,083 I don't kn ow if the 3-D was really all that effective. 3058 02:57:06,148 --> 02:57:09,152 The audience didn't know when to put on the glasses, they weren't sure 3059 02:57:09,218 --> 02:57:10,595 when they were supposed to do it. 3060 02:57:10,653 --> 02:57:15,602 When Maggie in the film puts on her 3-D glasses that's wnen you put on yours, at the very end 3061 02:57:15,658 --> 02:57:20,038 "You're going to need these 3-D glasses to navigate the dreamscape. 3062 02:57:20,096 --> 02:57:21,473 Put 'em on now." 3063 02:57:21,530 --> 02:57:23,771 It was funny to watch people, like, that didn't know, 3064 02:57:23,833 --> 02:57:26,245 were going, "What's wrong with the screen." 3065 02:57:26,302 --> 02:57:28,248 They're like, "You're supposed to put on the glasses." They're like, "Oh, okay." 3066 02:57:28,304 --> 02:57:32,775 How about Freddy Kru eger in IMAX in 3-D like "Avatar"? (laughing) 3067 02:57:32,842 --> 02:57:37,313 We actually did some groundbreaking work at that point on the technology, 3068 02:57:37,380 --> 02:57:38,222 but a lot of it didn't work. 3069 02:57:38,280 --> 02:57:39,987 She just had mejut some things 3070 02:57:40,049 --> 02:57:41,426 toward camera 3071 02:57:41,484 --> 02:57:43,020 in an unnatural wvay a few times. 3072 02:57:43,085 --> 02:57:46,032 This camera was like huge and it was like a million dollar camera. 3073 02:57:46,088 --> 02:57:48,694 You had to be so precise 3074 02:57:48,758 --> 02:57:50,499 in hitting your marks, 3075 02:57:50,559 --> 02:57:51,970 otherwise the whole gag wouldn't work. 3076 02:57:52,028 --> 02:57:54,668 Rachel was really on the cutting edge and, 3077 02:57:54,730 --> 02:57:57,210 you know, the little dream 3078 02:57:57,266 --> 02:57:59,143 demons that she wanted in there 3079 02:57:59,201 --> 02:58:01,044 they were all CGI 3080 02:58:01,103 --> 02:58:03,049 in a time where nobody did CGI. 3081 02:58:03,105 --> 02:58:04,675 PM was into he' 3082 02:58:04,740 --> 02:58:08,916 beginning of the computer technology because they were working with, they had been working 3083 02:58:08,978 --> 02:58:13,188 with Jim Cameron on "Terminator 2." And at one point - and they'll kill me for telling this story - 3084 02:58:13,249 --> 02:58:15,855 they sent us a clip from "Terminator 2" 3085 02:58:15,918 --> 02:58:17,898 with our footage of Arnold on the bike. 3086 02:58:17,953 --> 02:58:22,368 Jim Cameron would never, like that would be the end of our career forever, if he ever knew 3087 02:58:22,425 --> 02:58:25,338 that one piece of his footage got out by mistake. 3088 02:58:25,394 --> 02:58:28,000 I'm like, "I'm cutting this into my film." (laughing) 3089 02:58:28,064 --> 02:58:30,271 I love the fight, the big fight to the death, though. 3090 02:58:30,332 --> 02:58:31,834 That was my favorite. 3091 02:58:31,901 --> 02:58:33,312 It wasn't clearly 3092 02:58:33,369 --> 02:58:35,610 imagined, in terms of what awful things 3093 02:58:35,671 --> 02:58:37,480 they'd be doing to each other, 3094 02:58:37,540 --> 02:58:39,315 so, a lot of it was sort of 3095 02:58:39,375 --> 02:58:41,821 invented there on the set. 3096 02:58:41,877 --> 02:58:44,187 And I'm having to hold this, like, pipe bomb 3097 02:58:44,246 --> 02:58:45,554 with the sparkles coming out. 3098 02:58:45,614 --> 02:58:47,184 And we're gonna blow up Freddy 3099 02:58:47,249 --> 02:58:50,128 and his, you know, snot, blood and bones is gonna be all over your lap. 3100 02:58:53,823 --> 02:58:54,824 We blew the shit out of him. 3101 02:58:54,890 --> 02:58:58,167 And in Freddy's case I would argue, at some level, his death 3102 02:58:58,227 --> 02:58:59,535 in "The Dream Master" and 3103 02:58:59,595 --> 02:59:02,371 in "Dream Warriors" are more fitting final deaths 3104 02:59:02,431 --> 02:59:04,240 than the death he gets in 3105 02:59:04,300 --> 02:59:06,871 Given the fact that we've done several others alter-- 3106 02:59:06,936 --> 02:59:10,179 Freddy didn't really die -- it makes that one look a little more 3107 02:59:10,239 --> 02:59:13,118 facetious, I guess, in its execution. 3108 02:59:13,175 --> 02:59:19,785 On September 13, 1991, fans swarmed to the final "Nightmare" and the film delivered 3109 02:59:19,849 --> 02:59:24,696 a box office take that showed even in death, there might still be some life left in Freddy. 3110 02:59:24,754 --> 02:59:29,635 As one of the publicity stunts for the film, they created Freddy's funeral. 3111 02:59:29,692 --> 02:59:31,262 Freddy's funeral was held 3112 02:59:31,327 --> 02:59:32,670 at the Hollywood Forever Cemetary 3113 02:59:32,728 --> 02:59:35,265 kind of to put a cap on the whole 3114 02:59:35,331 --> 02:59:37,140 wand of Freddy Krueger. 3115 02:59:37,199 --> 02:59:40,373 They brought the press in and we all had to stand over a fake coffin 3116 02:59:40,436 --> 02:59:43,042 with Freddy's stuff all around it. 3117 02:59:43,105 --> 02:59:45,244 And I had to go and look mournful. 3118 02:59:45,307 --> 02:59:48,151 There was a bunch of other cast members from other 3119 02:59:48,210 --> 02:59:50,520 movies of the "Elm Street" series there. 3120 02:59:50,579 --> 02:59:52,525 It was like a big reunion. 3121 02:59:52,581 --> 02:59:55,084 It was like a burial, like a real burial deal. 3122 02:59:55,151 --> 02:59:58,928 It was a really clever way, once again, of them promoting the film, of going, 3123 02:59:58,988 --> 03:00:00,399 "Guys, this is it. 3124 03:00:00,456 --> 03:00:02,663 This is the last one. He's dead and gone." 3125 03:00:02,725 --> 03:00:04,762 Freddy's really dead this time. Not. 3126 03:00:04,827 --> 03:00:07,603 I remember seeing on Fifth Avenue a bus rolls by and 3127 03:00:07,663 --> 03:00:10,109 there was the poster "Freddy is Dead," and I said, 3128 03:00:10,166 --> 03:00:13,704 "Well, it must mean that they've milked the cow as much as they could," you know. (laughing) 3129 03:00:13,769 --> 03:00:17,410 it wasn't standing very tall itself and then, so after that, we realized that 3130 03:00:17,473 --> 03:00:19,316 we were at the end of the line. 3131 03:00:19,375 --> 03:00:25,018 We jumped the shark a little. I'm not going to denythat. But we wanted to. We wanted to do the movie we made. 3132 03:00:25,080 --> 03:00:27,458 "I'll get you, my pretty!" 3133 03:00:27,516 --> 03:00:29,655 "And you're little dog, too!" 3134 03:00:29,718 --> 03:00:32,221 But it may have been a mistake to take it so humorous. I think 3135 03:00:32,288 --> 03:00:35,565 we shouldve gone from the humor into something 3136 03:00:35,624 --> 03:00:36,796 that was more scary. 3137 03:00:36,859 --> 03:00:38,930 I think because we thought it was gonna be 3138 03:00:38,994 --> 03:00:43,204 the last one, I think it was okay to kind of deconstruct 3139 03:00:43,265 --> 03:00:44,835 and self-destruct. 3140 03:00:44,900 --> 03:00:48,643 I told everyone it was going to be the last one, of course, but I didn't know. (laughing) 3141 03:00:48,737 --> 03:00:50,683 "Freddy's dead." 3142 03:00:50,773 --> 03:00:53,508 "Is there any chance he's going to be coming back?" 3143 03:00:53,509 --> 03:00:55,318 No. No, no, no. 3144 03:00:55,411 --> 03:00:58,046 No, no, no. No. 3145 03:00:58,047 --> 03:00:59,681 '(Freddys evil laughter)' 3146 03:00:59,682 --> 03:00:59,784 '(Freddys evil laughter)' 3147 03:01:11,927 --> 03:01:13,702 Now that Freddy was dead and buried 3148 03:01:13,762 --> 03:01:17,642 and with the tenth anniversary of the original "Elm Street" approaching, 3149 03:01:17,700 --> 03:01:24,379 the inevitable question was raised: Could everyone's favorite boogeyman be resurrected again? 3150 03:01:24,440 --> 03:01:27,216 The answer to that question would come from Wes Craven himself, 3151 03:01:27,276 --> 03:01:30,917 who conceived a radical new approach to the story. 3152 03:01:30,980 --> 03:01:36,521 Most people say their sequels are the last sequels that are going to be made and then they make ten more. 3153 03:01:36,585 --> 03:01:40,431 We didn't know that we were going to be able to work with Wes again. 3154 03:01:40,489 --> 03:01:44,699 And the way "New Nightmare" happened was I got a call from Bob Shaye out of the blue. 3155 03:01:44,760 --> 03:01:47,900 And, to his credit, he said, 3156 03:01:47,963 --> 03:01:53,037 "I've heard some interviews with you saying you felt you didn't get a fair shake and I'd like to try to make that better." 3157 03:01:53,102 --> 03:01:54,775 And he did. He went back 3158 03:01:54,837 --> 03:02:00,048 and gave me retroactive cuts in sequels and he also gave me a little bit of the merchandising, and so forth. 3159 03:02:00,109 --> 03:02:02,555 Wes and I had ironed out our differences 3160 03:02:02,611 --> 03:02:06,491 and I was anxious to do something with Wes. 3161 03:02:06,548 --> 03:02:08,027 And he said, "Look, 3162 03:02:08,083 --> 03:02:15,331 we killed Freddy, we admit it. We said he was dead forever, but we thought maybe there's one more film there." 3163 03:02:15,391 --> 03:02:21,535 Wes has to come back and answer his critics and finally put the nail in the coffin, and 3164 03:02:21,597 --> 03:02:23,474 apologize a little bit for "Freddy's Dead." 3165 03:02:23,532 --> 03:02:26,308 I went off and looked at all the other films and said, 3166 03:02:26,368 --> 03:02:28,143 I don't know how I can make any sense of it. 3167 03:02:28,203 --> 03:02:30,809 And then it kind of jumped the shark and thought, 3168 03:02:30,873 --> 03:02:33,615 I'll do it about all the different people who participated in the first one. 3169 03:02:33,676 --> 03:02:38,921 There was the idea, well, Robert's not Freddy, you know, Freddy is Freddy. Freddy is an entity unto itself, 3170 03:02:38,981 --> 03:02:42,690 that is now out of control and, once again, 3171 03:02:42,751 --> 03:02:43,786 it is allowed to be terrifying. 3172 03:02:43,852 --> 03:02:44,956 "Miss me?" 3173 03:02:45,020 --> 03:02:48,866 Because there was no place else logically to go that was original and suddenly it was like, 3174 03:02:48,924 --> 03:02:50,232 "Wait a minute. We can do this 3175 03:02:50,292 --> 03:02:51,965 and make some interesting comments." 3176 03:02:52,027 --> 03:02:58,000 Bringing a menace into the real world from your imagination and having 3177 03:02:58,067 --> 03:02:59,512 that menace not go away, 3178 03:02:59,568 --> 03:03:01,570 is a terrific idea. 3179 03:03:01,637 --> 03:03:06,382 It was so special and unique that it was worth reviving the whole series. 3180 03:03:06,442 --> 03:03:12,449 I was very consciously taking the reality of the first film and bringing it over into "real life" in a way 3181 03:03:12,514 --> 03:03:14,050 that it was always quoting the original. 3182 03:03:15,084 --> 03:03:16,084 (screaming) 3183 03:03:16,085 --> 03:03:20,321 Well, it was really cool to see my name in a script. 3184 03:03:20,322 --> 03:03:24,634 But then after I digested the uvhole idea, then I thought, 3185 03:03:24,693 --> 03:03:30,006 "Well, you know, average people are going to think that this is really about me and this is my story or something like that." 3186 03:03:30,065 --> 03:03:32,739 Heather had gone on and done a television series, 3187 03:03:32,801 --> 03:03:34,576 "Just the Ten of Us," 3188 03:03:34,636 --> 03:03:36,775 which was very, very sort of mom-and-apple-pie-ish. 3189 03:03:36,839 --> 03:03:40,480 Just by coincidence -- and it wasn't planned on the pan of the producers or anything - 3190 03:03:40,542 --> 03:03:42,681 three of us had been on "Nightmare on Elm Street" movies. 3191 03:03:42,745 --> 03:03:46,124 So it was definitely a running inside joke on the set. 3192 03:03:46,181 --> 03:03:50,027 This looks like something out of "Nightmare on Elm Street" 3193 03:03:50,085 --> 03:03:55,967 I still get all of these letters from people with this fascination of the Lubbock babes from 3194 03:03:56,025 --> 03:03:58,335 "Just the Ten of Us" all being Freddy Krueger 3195 03:03:58,394 --> 03:03:59,737 you know, victims. 3196 03:03:59,795 --> 03:04:04,676 As it turns out, a stalker that had started, you know, calling Heather at all odd hours and 3197 03:04:04,733 --> 03:04:06,269 threatening her life, 3198 03:04:06,335 --> 03:04:11,114 turned out to be a fan who was ticked off because the series had been stopped. 3199 03:04:11,173 --> 03:04:17,749 And, as a result, I ended up moving to London for a couple, maybe five months just getting axnray from it all. 3200 03:04:17,813 --> 03:04:21,522 And it struck me as such an incredible irony that everybody had been telling me 3201 03:04:21,583 --> 03:04:23,494 my mmole career that, "What you're writing is bad 3202 03:04:23,552 --> 03:04:25,259 and it's going to make people want to go out and kill somebody." 3203 03:04:25,320 --> 03:04:26,594 And it was afan of this 3204 03:04:26,655 --> 03:04:29,329 very bland show that actually tumed out to be threatening. 3205 03:04:29,391 --> 03:04:31,166 And so this idea, 3206 03:04:31,226 --> 03:04:34,469 I think it was maybe some food for Wes' thought process. 3207 03:04:34,530 --> 03:04:38,501 Wes came to me and said he had been talking to Heather a little bit about how 3208 03:04:38,567 --> 03:04:42,140 if he can delve into her private life and put some of it on the screen 3209 03:04:42,204 --> 03:04:45,549 and would I mind if he screwed around with me a little bit. 3210 03:04:45,607 --> 03:04:50,818 There was a theme of how this actual movie we had all participated in had kind of 3211 03:04:50,879 --> 03:04:53,587 haunted our lives and, in a sense, made it 3212 03:04:53,649 --> 03:04:56,630 like we could not be something totally different from that film ever. 3213 03:04:56,685 --> 03:05:00,656 So I said, "Yeah, count me in," you know, "I'm on board." 3214 03:05:00,722 --> 03:05:02,360 And then I saw the script and I loved it. 3215 03:05:02,424 --> 03:05:04,495 I pitched that to Bob and I remember just thinking and saying, 3216 03:05:04,560 --> 03:05:06,005 "And Bob, you'll have a big scene." 3217 03:05:06,061 --> 03:05:09,042 (laughing) He says, "Ah, I kind of like that." 3218 03:05:09,098 --> 03:05:11,942 I don't think I did a particularly good job, but it was okay. 3219 03:05:12,000 --> 03:05:14,606 "Oh come on, Heather, kids love horror." 3220 03:05:14,670 --> 03:05:17,014 It was kind of like a valentine to 3221 03:05:17,072 --> 03:05:18,244 the fans. 3222 03:05:18,307 --> 03:05:20,218 And, at the sametime, it was a great reunion for us. 3223 03:05:20,275 --> 03:05:21,879 And also I think we all got to go, 3224 03:05:21,944 --> 03:05:23,389 "What have we done?" 3225 03:05:23,445 --> 03:05:29,521 It was like everybody that worked on the first one had come back and it was just 3226 03:05:29,585 --> 03:05:31,155 interesting to see how they'd grown 3227 03:05:31,220 --> 03:05:32,893 and how their careers had changed. 3228 03:05:32,955 --> 03:05:35,526 Coming back to work with Wes is always a treat. 3229 03:05:35,591 --> 03:05:37,696 I came back, not as a teacher, but as a nurse, 3230 03:05:37,759 --> 03:05:42,333 so, but, it was still one of those generic public servants. (laughing) 3231 03:05:42,397 --> 03:05:44,138 John Saxon had renaissanced, yet again. 3232 03:05:44,199 --> 03:05:49,239 This guy's the guy that's worked with everybody from Elvis to Quentin Tarantino and Robert Redford 3233 03:05:49,304 --> 03:05:51,614 and Bruce Lee and Freddy Krueger and everybody else. 3234 03:05:51,673 --> 03:05:54,244 I suppose I imagined it might be the last. 3235 03:05:54,309 --> 03:05:56,550 It sounded like a fin ale. 3236 03:05:56,612 --> 03:05:59,183 All the other directors had been first-timers 3237 03:05:59,248 --> 03:06:00,852 and they had to be 3238 03:06:00,916 --> 03:06:02,896 helped through a little bit, but 3239 03:06:02,951 --> 03:06:05,932 Wes was, by then, the master. 3240 03:06:05,988 --> 03:06:07,695 It was a very pleasant film. I remember 3241 03:06:07,756 --> 03:06:12,102 how fun it was and what a sense of love there was on the set. 3242 03:06:12,161 --> 03:06:16,837 Not to be mushy, but just everybody really liked each other and was having 3243 03:06:16,899 --> 03:06:19,505 a great time. 3244 03:06:19,568 --> 03:06:24,313 '(practical joke, laughter on set)' 3245 03:06:24,373 --> 03:06:25,351 Heather Langenkamp 3246 03:06:25,407 --> 03:06:27,512 playing herself was so 3247 03:06:27,576 --> 03:06:31,285 smart and one of her best performances ever. 3248 03:06:31,346 --> 03:06:34,691 And she was, you know, a young mother at the time and so finding all those 3249 03:06:34,750 --> 03:06:39,096 elements from her own reality, that she could bring into the movie, worked so beautifully. 3250 03:06:39,154 --> 03:06:44,001 Some of the things that Wes kind of brought in that were similar, is that I'm married to a makeup artist. 3251 03:06:44,059 --> 03:06:47,871 "Chase Porter, good-looking, early 30s, tweaks the levers of a 3252 03:06:47,930 --> 03:06:49,500 remote control device." 3253 03:06:49,565 --> 03:06:52,546 I was playing Heather's real life husband, David, who was 3254 03:06:52,601 --> 03:06:57,243 Wes' special effects guy, who didn't want to play himself 3255 03:06:57,306 --> 03:07:00,082 because it would be a curse. So, I was more concerned about the curse. 3256 03:07:00,142 --> 03:07:03,589 When lwent in and met all the real special effects team that were doing the movie 3257 03:07:03,645 --> 03:07:09,652 and I met David, I realized, like, lwasthe least non-special effects looking guy on the planet. They're like 3258 03:07:09,718 --> 03:07:10,992 blue-collar, hardworking, 3259 03:07:11,053 --> 03:07:13,897 beard. They all had heavy metal T-shins on, 3260 03:07:13,956 --> 03:07:16,630 they all looked like they hadn't slept in about nine years. 3261 03:07:16,692 --> 03:07:19,195 I'm like the dorkiest special effects guy ever. 3262 03:07:19,261 --> 03:07:25,212 "Behind them, at the edge of the set, Chase's wife, Heather Langenkamp, 30, dressed in woman's pajamas, 3263 03:07:25,267 --> 03:07:26,507 and his son Dylan, 5, 3264 03:07:26,568 --> 03:07:28,411 watch from their ch airs." 3265 03:07:28,470 --> 03:07:30,746 I remember having a blast on this film. 3266 03:07:30,806 --> 03:07:33,013 This was, every day was an adventure. 3267 03:07:33,075 --> 03:07:37,023 Who doesn't want to be chased around by Freddy when they're 7, like, for real. 3268 03:07:37,079 --> 03:07:38,558 We got along, you know, 3269 03:07:38,614 --> 03:07:42,824 just like mom and son. And I was, of course, very protective ofhim. 3270 03:07:42,884 --> 03:07:44,454 He had some scenes where he had to really go through 3271 03:07:44,519 --> 03:07:46,430 difficult emotional things. 3272 03:07:46,488 --> 03:07:52,632 And there was a time when his parents came to me and said, "We have a way to make him cry and we don't like to do it 3273 03:07:52,694 --> 03:07:55,197 too often, but we'll do it." I said, "Okay, fine." And so 3274 03:07:55,264 --> 03:08:00,475 the mother lefi the set and the father Whispered in his ear and said, "OK, your mothers dead." (laughing) 3275 03:08:00,535 --> 03:08:02,674 And after he'd go through some hellacious scene, 3276 03:08:02,738 --> 03:08:04,911 his reward was a Happy Meal. 3277 03:08:04,973 --> 03:08:07,852 I don't think horror movies or being a kid 3278 03:08:07,909 --> 03:08:11,447 in a horror movie is inherently bad or going to do any 3279 03:08:11,513 --> 03:08:14,494 psychological damage or anything like that. 3280 03:08:14,549 --> 03:08:20,124 All little kids do anyway is play pretend, so if you can do it professionally, rock it. 3281 03:08:20,188 --> 03:08:24,193 "Heather opens the door to Julie, a direct, open-faced 3282 03:08:24,259 --> 03:08:25,431 young woman." 3283 03:08:25,494 --> 03:08:32,139 Even though most of the people in the film had been in the original film, I didn't feel at all 3284 03:08:32,200 --> 03:08:35,044 like I wasn't a pan of the group or pan of the ensemble. 3285 03:08:35,103 --> 03:08:36,639 In the original script that I read, 3286 03:08:36,705 --> 03:08:41,017 Julie, the babysitter, was a pawn of Freddy's. 3287 03:08:41,076 --> 03:08:43,386 Julie was the stalker, Julie was the one 3288 03:08:43,445 --> 03:08:44,981 harrassing them. Julie, yeah, 3289 03:08:45,047 --> 03:08:46,355 she was all those things. 3290 03:08:46,415 --> 03:08:51,888 Wes said to all of us that, "You might be the one that's causing this," and so, but none of us really, 3291 03:08:51,953 --> 03:08:54,866 we didn't really need to know that in order to play the part. 3292 03:08:54,923 --> 03:09:00,896 I had done a number of films with David Cronenberg: "Scanners," "Videodrome," The Dead Zone," "The Fly." 3293 03:09:00,962 --> 03:09:06,469 But Wes has a very narrow mind, in the sense of this is what's going to scare people 3294 03:09:06,535 --> 03:09:08,572 and a broad mind to extract. 3295 03:09:08,637 --> 03:09:12,414 There's something that goes on in the making of a horror film where you're dealing with these things 3296 03:09:12,474 --> 03:09:14,112 that in real life are terrifying 3297 03:09:14,176 --> 03:09:15,814 and sometimes morbid and horrible, 3298 03:09:15,877 --> 03:09:20,383 but by acting it out 3299 03:09:20,449 --> 03:09:24,420 you release some sort of childish laughter, which is totally 3300 03:09:24,486 --> 03:09:26,591 contradictory from what you would expect, but it just 3301 03:09:26,655 --> 03:09:28,794 makes for a very tight-knit 3302 03:09:28,857 --> 03:09:30,234 crew and cast. 3303 03:09:30,292 --> 03:09:37,767 As pan ofWes Craven's darker reality-based "Nightmare," Freddy himself would undergo a major reinvention. 3304 03:09:37,833 --> 03:09:42,873 It was discussions with Wes that Freddy was not to be the kind of 3305 03:09:42,938 --> 03:09:44,679 wisecracker that he had become. 3306 03:09:44,740 --> 03:09:49,587 I wanted it to be something that was not quite what was in the movie. 3307 03:09:49,644 --> 03:09:51,385 He wanted it to be something different, 3308 03:09:51,446 --> 03:09:54,984 something new, more bulky, more muscular. Everything on it was different. 3309 03:09:55,050 --> 03:09:56,461 It was supposed to be the real Freddy. 3310 03:09:56,518 --> 03:09:59,192 I felt it looked great to have him look that, kind of German, 3311 03:09:59,254 --> 03:10:01,165 sleek. 3312 03:10:01,223 --> 03:10:03,567 He's not really burned in that one, like, his skin 3313 03:10:03,625 --> 03:10:06,765 is split, like you'd see in a real anatomy book. 3314 03:10:06,828 --> 03:10:10,002 This was an actual, real hand and 3315 03:10:10,065 --> 03:10:12,875 real blades that grew out of his fingertips. 3316 03:10:12,934 --> 03:10:15,039 It was a whole different design and 3317 03:10:15,103 --> 03:10:16,582 I thought it was kind of an interesting look. 3318 03:10:16,638 --> 03:10:19,244 What I found out from Robert was 3319 03:10:19,307 --> 03:10:22,117 that the thumb was a little clumsy 3320 03:10:22,177 --> 03:10:24,885 to work with when it had a blade on it, but 3321 03:10:24,946 --> 03:10:25,981 it looked good. 3322 03:10:26,047 --> 03:10:28,152 Sometimes I think it was smart, 3323 03:10:28,216 --> 03:10:29,661 sometimes I think it was a mistake. 3324 03:10:29,718 --> 03:10:33,598 I don't know. I've gone around and around with that in my mind over the years. 3325 03:10:33,655 --> 03:10:36,067 The opening of "New Nightmare" 3326 03:10:36,124 --> 03:10:38,627 is actually a tribute to Roman Polanski's 3327 03:10:38,693 --> 03:10:40,229 "Repulsion." 3328 03:10:40,295 --> 03:10:45,244 When the woman first starts to go mad, the walls of her apartment crack. 3329 03:10:45,300 --> 03:10:49,612 Of course, we shot the earthquake scene where I'm in bed with Chase and 3330 03:10:49,671 --> 03:10:51,241 then we're rocked out of bed 3331 03:10:51,306 --> 03:10:52,546 by this earthquake, 3332 03:10:52,607 --> 03:10:54,678 probably the first or second day. 3333 03:10:54,743 --> 03:10:57,189 And then we did have that very devastating earthquake. 3334 03:10:57,245 --> 03:11:01,284 On January 17th was the big Northridge quake. 3335 03:11:01,349 --> 03:11:02,692 A lot of us had close calls. 3336 03:11:02,751 --> 03:11:06,597 When we came to the set, the crew just looked at me like, 3337 03:11:06,655 --> 03:11:09,602 "What are you making a date with the devil or something?" (laughing) 3338 03:11:09,658 --> 03:11:12,730 At that point everybody thought, well, it's game on. We basically, 3339 03:11:12,794 --> 03:11:14,967 we've opened Pandora's Box. 3340 03:11:15,030 --> 03:11:16,976 This was the reality that was invading our movie. 3341 03:11:17,032 --> 03:11:20,445 Fact and fiction were strangely combining. 3342 03:11:20,502 --> 03:11:23,483 This is great. We're all gonna die. It's fantastic. 3343 03:11:23,538 --> 03:11:25,643 But what was interesting was, Wes was able to 3344 03:11:25,707 --> 03:11:27,550 work that into the movie. 3345 03:11:27,609 --> 03:11:29,589 We got a secondary crew 3346 03:11:29,644 --> 03:11:30,952 and went out and shot second unit 3347 03:11:31,012 --> 03:11:33,322 because we're never gonna get shots like this otherwise. 3348 03:11:33,381 --> 03:11:37,329 There were jackets that were given to the cast and crew that had Freddy on the back. 3349 03:11:37,385 --> 03:11:42,061 They had "7.1" put in the corner because it was right after North ridge. 3350 03:11:42,123 --> 03:11:44,103 We have the one scene 3351 03:11:44,159 --> 03:11:46,400 mmere I go to the TV studio to have the interview 3352 03:11:46,461 --> 03:11:48,964 and then Freddy shows up and he's in makeup. 3353 03:11:49,030 --> 03:11:50,737 Being on a talk show as Freddy, 3354 03:11:50,799 --> 03:11:53,302 you know, really just being a whore 3355 03:11:53,368 --> 03:11:58,374 and working the crowd with the Freddy fanatics, which of course is all true. There really were those things. 3356 03:11:58,440 --> 03:11:59,714 Robert Englund and I 3357 03:11:59,774 --> 03:12:03,153 did a public appearance together on a television show in the San Francisco area 3358 03:12:03,211 --> 03:12:05,282 and it was about mmether 3359 03:12:05,347 --> 03:12:07,349 this kind of movie is bad for children or not. 3360 03:12:07,415 --> 03:12:09,622 There were parents in the audience and then kids. 3361 03:12:09,684 --> 03:12:11,630 All the kids leapt to their feet and started going, 3362 03:12:11,686 --> 03:12:13,757 (chanting) "Freddy! Freddy!" 3363 03:12:13,822 --> 03:12:18,737 And I remember looking at the show host and the parents and they were all like... 3364 03:12:18,793 --> 03:12:22,468 Robert is just like, "You're all my children And it was like, 3365 03:12:22,531 --> 03:12:24,636 "We've taken over the asylum." 3366 03:12:24,699 --> 03:12:27,908 It is that empowerment of embracing the symbol 3367 03:12:27,969 --> 03:12:30,677 of the evil thing in a way that you're in control of it. 3368 03:12:30,739 --> 03:12:32,446 What we're doing is good, you know, 3369 03:12:32,507 --> 03:12:34,817 because the kids, it was giving them a sense of empowerment 3370 03:12:34,876 --> 03:12:36,514 in a way that I could never have guessed. 3371 03:12:36,578 --> 03:12:40,253 I remember that scene is so great because I'm sitting there in the background, you know, 3372 03:12:40,315 --> 03:12:43,194 there's a million fans wanting his autograph and then, you know, 3373 03:12:43,251 --> 03:12:48,462 I'm sitting there looking at my watch, like, "Can we go yet?" which is the story of my life. (laughing) 3374 03:12:48,523 --> 03:12:50,298 When I got sent the first draft, 3375 03:12:50,358 --> 03:12:53,032 there were some scenes that aren't in it, that were never shot. 3376 03:12:53,094 --> 03:12:55,870 Rather than Wes being in the house up on the hill, 3377 03:12:55,931 --> 03:12:58,138 he showed up in a van driven by, I think, 3378 03:12:58,199 --> 03:13:01,806 Michael Barryman from "The Hills Have Eyes" and he had cut his own eyelids off 3379 03:13:01,870 --> 03:13:03,816 and he was trying to stay awake. 3380 03:13:03,872 --> 03:13:05,909 I was constantly on the run from Freddy. 3381 03:13:05,974 --> 03:13:08,682 The way to save my life was to write the script. 3382 03:13:08,743 --> 03:13:12,190 I remember reading it just going, "Wow, that's really weird." (laughing) 3383 03:13:12,247 --> 03:13:15,524 Of course, I ended up going with, "I'd rather be in the luxurious house 3384 03:13:15,584 --> 03:13:17,427 living like a king. (laughing) 3385 03:13:17,485 --> 03:13:19,965 And Wes comes off as this kind of creepy, 3386 03:13:20,021 --> 03:13:25,164 horror-meister in a way. And then wnen he shows that the script is actually on his computer, 3387 03:13:25,226 --> 03:13:28,264 the exact words we've just spoken one minute earlier, 3388 03:13:28,330 --> 03:13:29,604 (whispering) "What kind of choice?" 3389 03:13:29,664 --> 03:13:33,510 "Whether or not you're willing to play Nancy one last time." 3390 03:13:33,568 --> 03:13:36,242 those are the moments that make that movie so terrific. 3391 03:13:36,304 --> 03:13:41,117 I remember liking very much the scene where 3392 03:13:41,176 --> 03:13:44,350 Heathers husband is coming home in the car. 3393 03:13:44,412 --> 03:13:48,224 When you think about a Wes Craven movie, you think, "Well, how do I die?" 3394 03:13:48,283 --> 03:13:51,025 (singing) "That's me in the corner..." 3395 03:13:51,086 --> 03:13:54,158 Son of crooning R.E.M. "Losing My Religion," 3396 03:13:54,222 --> 03:13:56,168 getting eviscerated. 3397 03:13:56,224 --> 03:13:58,465 It was, of course, very violent. 3398 03:13:58,526 --> 03:14:00,301 Freddy's claws coming up. 3399 03:14:00,362 --> 03:14:05,107 But, the fact that he was a husband and he had a little child or something, 3400 03:14:05,166 --> 03:14:07,737 I felt very touched by that scene. 3401 03:14:07,802 --> 03:14:09,873 But the one thing that they did later When lsawthe movie, 3402 03:14:09,938 --> 03:14:11,747 was they did this thing where they did 3403 03:14:11,806 --> 03:14:15,049 an insert of me scratching my balls. 3404 03:14:15,110 --> 03:14:18,648 We had a ball stand-in for him. (laughing) 3405 03:14:18,713 --> 03:14:23,184 I just want to say to you, Wes, that is not how I would scratch my balls, 0k? It's not. 3406 03:14:23,251 --> 03:14:28,997 This is how I would scratch my balls. 3407 03:14:29,057 --> 03:14:31,560 And, of course, the scenes that followed were the 3408 03:14:31,626 --> 03:14:35,972 'cemetery scenes and that was interesting, mo.. 3409 03:14:36,031 --> 03:14:38,637 Everybody comes to be a mourner. 3410 03:14:38,700 --> 03:14:41,840 If you look in the background, everybody's somehow affiliated with 3411 03:14:41,903 --> 03:14:43,041 "Nightmare on Elm Street." 3412 03:14:43,104 --> 03:14:44,344 Tuesday Knight was there, 3413 03:14:44,406 --> 03:14:45,407 Jsu Garcia. 3414 03:14:45,473 --> 03:14:49,046 So it's just a great way to catch up with people and see how they're all doing. 3415 03:14:49,110 --> 03:14:53,058 A warm family farewell, now it's turned into something horrible. 3416 03:14:53,114 --> 03:14:55,151 And that's the nice thing about Wes: he's not afraid to 3417 03:14:55,216 --> 03:14:57,628 create horror in broad daylight. 3418 03:14:57,686 --> 03:14:59,632 The park scene is, 3419 03:14:59,688 --> 03:15:02,328 for me personally, one of the most moving scenes because the little boy 3420 03:15:02,390 --> 03:15:04,870 climbs the tower, tries to reach to God 3421 03:15:04,926 --> 03:15:06,132 and then falls and says, 3422 03:15:06,194 --> 03:15:08,071 "God wouldn't take me." 3423 03:15:08,129 --> 03:15:12,168 It's one of the more profound moments in humanity, you know, when one's faith is contradicted by 3424 03:15:12,233 --> 03:15:13,507 the events that happen. 3425 03:15:13,568 --> 03:15:15,377 They ended up actually getting rid of the park. 3426 03:15:15,437 --> 03:15:18,680 We asked them - we have 10 acres out in the desert -- 3427 03:15:18,740 --> 03:15:21,550 and we said, "What are you going to do with it?" and they were going to haul it to the dump. 3428 03:15:21,609 --> 03:15:23,611 So we rented the flat bed trucks. 3429 03:15:23,678 --> 03:15:27,148 And growing up I've had that park in my backyard ever since the filming. 3430 03:15:27,215 --> 03:15:31,823 There's a lot of ways to bring childhood into a horror movie that I realized 3431 03:15:31,886 --> 03:15:35,356 And one of the ways is to bring an old story 3432 03:15:35,423 --> 03:15:36,959 that we all are really familiar with. 3433 03:15:37,025 --> 03:15:39,733 "Hansel and Gretel" was interesting to me because there's been 3434 03:15:39,794 --> 03:15:44,436 a lot written. It's very hard to find Grimm fairytales in a children's bookstore anymore. (laughing) 3435 03:15:44,499 --> 03:15:49,346 That was one of the most horrifying child stories. When you think about the witch fattening up 3436 03:15:49,404 --> 03:15:50,178 the little kid inside the cage, 3437 03:15:50,238 --> 03:15:52,184 it is absolutely horrifying. 3438 03:15:52,240 --> 03:15:53,981 So, that Wes picked that story was perfect. 3439 03:15:54,042 --> 03:15:59,788 In a sense, children need literature to recognize the nightmares that children have. 3440 03:15:59,848 --> 03:16:02,351 And then you had all these toys in Dylan's 3441 03:16:02,417 --> 03:16:04,920 room that were his protectors. 3442 03:16:04,986 --> 03:16:10,527 Rex was my stuffed animal bodyguard who would keep Freddy at bay 3443 03:16:10,592 --> 03:16:11,832 from the bottom of my bed. 3444 03:16:11,893 --> 03:16:14,806 Imaginary, although effective. 3445 03:16:14,863 --> 03:16:17,867 I was lucky enough to keep some props fiom the film. 3446 03:16:17,932 --> 03:16:22,506 This is Rex. This one is the repaired one with the claw slashes on it. 3447 03:16:22,570 --> 03:16:27,280 It's funny because I have the other copy of Rex in my house to this day. 3448 03:16:27,342 --> 03:16:32,121 And it always kind of takes a tug at my heart because it's this thing that protects you but also 3449 03:16:32,180 --> 03:16:34,126 gets slashed in the process 3450 03:16:34,182 --> 03:16:38,688 but can be repaired and that sort of childhood innocence in the form of a little animal. 3451 03:16:38,753 --> 03:16:41,825 My character, she has so much pressure and she's, like, 3452 03:16:41,890 --> 03:16:45,269 really kind of not dealing with it that great. 3453 03:16:45,326 --> 03:16:50,002 You need a lot of other supporting characters to lift up the spirit of the movie, to keep it moving. 3454 03:16:50,064 --> 03:16:51,737 And so you had Fran Bennett. 3455 03:16:51,800 --> 03:16:53,780 Fran Bennett was incredible, she was 3456 03:16:53,835 --> 03:16:59,615 definitely our favorite. We loved her performance and would quote her lines constantly in editorial. (laughing) 3457 03:16:59,674 --> 03:17:00,948 "Miss Ian gen kamp! 3458 03:17:01,009 --> 03:17:02,147 Miss Ian gen ka mp!" 3459 03:17:02,210 --> 03:17:04,486 "The man fiom your film?" Yeah, it was just great fun. 3460 03:17:04,546 --> 03:17:10,053 I asked Wes how my name got to be Dr. Heffner. 3461 03:17:10,118 --> 03:17:14,032 He named it after somebody in the Motion Picture Association of America. 3462 03:17:14,088 --> 03:17:17,535 "You have let your child see your films, haven't you?" 3463 03:17:17,592 --> 03:17:24,942 it was almost me just saying the lines without adding anything at all, until it came to the glove. 3464 03:17:24,999 --> 03:17:32,975 Each time that glove got on my hand, it was like some electric something happened in my body. 3465 03:17:34,275 --> 03:17:35,879 "Cut this evil out of him." 3466 03:17:35,944 --> 03:17:39,050 That was like, "Whoa, man. This is strange." 3467 03:17:39,113 --> 03:17:40,649 My favorite scene in the film 3468 03:17:40,715 --> 03:17:41,955 was the death of the babysitter 3469 03:17:42,016 --> 03:17:44,724 in the hospital when she's dragged around the room. 3470 03:17:44,786 --> 03:17:47,733 We, again, had a rotating room. 3471 03:17:47,789 --> 03:17:49,166 I'd done something similar 3472 03:17:49,224 --> 03:17:50,567 with a 40-foot room 3473 03:17:50,625 --> 03:17:52,332 with Jeff Goldblum as "The Fly." 3474 03:17:52,393 --> 03:17:57,240 This time we decided to actually show 3475 03:17:57,298 --> 03:17:59,539 Freddy in some of the scenes 3476 03:17:59,601 --> 03:18:01,342 dragging her up the wall. 3477 03:18:01,402 --> 03:18:03,348 Wes said, "You have to scream. 3478 03:18:03,404 --> 03:18:06,044 It's a horror film, you have to scream." So when 3479 03:18:06,107 --> 03:18:09,145 I'm getting drug up the ceiling, 3480 03:18:09,210 --> 03:18:10,780 I had to do a lot of yelling 3481 03:18:10,845 --> 03:18:13,018 and it was scary. 3482 03:18:13,081 --> 03:18:16,255 That was a particularly hard scene to film. 3483 03:18:16,317 --> 03:18:20,424 When they were filming my shot, there was nobody behind, but they would put a 3484 03:18:20,488 --> 03:18:23,833 cross of tape on it and say, "That's your babysitter 3485 03:18:23,892 --> 03:18:25,269 getting killed, you're terrified, 3486 03:18:25,326 --> 03:18:27,363 it's horrifying, you need to cry." 3487 03:18:27,428 --> 03:18:28,065 (screaming) 3488 03:18:29,430 --> 03:18:34,311 When we previewed the film, it was amazing to watch the audience reaction to it and, you know, 3489 03:18:34,369 --> 03:18:36,645 just how Heathers finally 3490 03:18:36,704 --> 03:18:38,149 taking control of the situation, 3491 03:18:38,206 --> 03:18:41,119 but it's too late to save Julie 3492 03:18:41,175 --> 03:18:42,745 The fieeway scene was probably, by far, 3493 03:18:42,810 --> 03:18:44,448 the most ambitious thing in the film. 3494 03:18:44,512 --> 03:18:46,082 We were allowed to have a mile 3495 03:18:46,147 --> 03:18:49,356 of this freeway. And we were out there night after night 3496 03:18:49,417 --> 03:18:51,090 after night doing all these 3497 03:18:51,152 --> 03:18:53,792 very elaborate, sort of choreographed scenes. 3498 03:18:53,855 --> 03:18:57,302 Where Freddy's all lined up at that center median. 3499 03:18:57,358 --> 03:19:01,238 We had a stuntman who owned a truck and we 3500 03:19:01,296 --> 03:19:02,969 kind of built the sequence around that. 3501 03:19:03,031 --> 03:19:07,741 We projected a picture of the truck on a screen 3502 03:19:07,802 --> 03:19:08,507 behind me. 3503 03:19:08,569 --> 03:19:12,483 Fifty or a hundred takes probably to get the crouched down 3504 03:19:12,540 --> 03:19:14,281 at the exact moment. 3505 03:19:14,342 --> 03:19:16,822 We did that and then the next day I couldn't walk. 3506 03:19:16,878 --> 03:19:18,323 In the film it almost looks like I'm 3507 03:19:18,379 --> 03:19:21,588 hit by these cars. They had a big fake claw, 3508 03:19:21,649 --> 03:19:26,098 'cause there's a point mmere he picks me up with it and that was really fun, 3509 03:19:26,154 --> 03:19:27,599 'cause they had a harness, 3510 03:19:27,655 --> 03:19:31,262 it drops and I think that was my first stunt I had to do. 3511 03:19:31,326 --> 03:19:34,500 In the original script that I read there was a scene with the claw mobile, 3512 03:19:34,562 --> 03:19:38,032 with Freddy behind the mmeel of a giant claw that was kicking up sparks on the road. 3513 03:19:38,099 --> 03:19:40,079 It would have been awesome to see that, you know, the claw mobile, 3514 03:19:40,134 --> 03:19:42,444 but there was no money to do such things. 3515 03:19:42,503 --> 03:19:45,313 And everything just gets completely messed up from then on. 3516 03:19:45,373 --> 03:19:48,911 It's this strange, like other-worldly reality 3517 03:19:48,977 --> 03:19:51,253 that I enter, once I enter that house. 3518 03:19:51,312 --> 03:19:53,519 Dylan leaves for me the pills to follow him 3519 03:19:53,581 --> 03:19:55,993 into the netherworld. 3520 03:19:56,050 --> 03:19:57,961 The end sequence takes place in kind of hell. 3521 03:19:58,019 --> 03:20:00,625 Cynthia Charette had done "Shocker" with me and 3522 03:20:00,688 --> 03:20:04,602 she designed it based on Etruscan ruins, 3523 03:20:04,659 --> 03:20:07,936 kind of being taken dovm to the essence of where evil would live. 3524 03:20:07,996 --> 03:20:12,741 We were working, you know, in subterranean sets and boiler rooms 3525 03:20:12,800 --> 03:20:14,143 with live fire. 3526 03:20:14,202 --> 03:20:17,615 And I just rememberwalking around and shooting tons of photos, you know, 3527 03:20:17,672 --> 03:20:19,345 of everything. I'm like, "This is cool." 3528 03:20:19,407 --> 03:20:21,580 And this wall, there's like a Cerberus stone carving and 3529 03:20:21,642 --> 03:20:23,553 this big demon thing. 3530 03:20:23,611 --> 03:20:24,783 Weird paintings 3531 03:20:24,846 --> 03:20:26,416 and iron rod gates 3532 03:20:26,481 --> 03:20:29,621 and weird stuff like that, the mmole way through. 3533 03:20:29,684 --> 03:20:32,130 I'd rather go there than Chuck E. Cheese any day. 3534 03:20:32,186 --> 03:20:35,065 I think Heath er probably deserved stunt pay 3535 03:20:35,123 --> 03:20:36,864 after all the times she's worked with me. 3536 03:20:36,924 --> 03:20:40,371 There's got to be at least one stunt check from New Line Cinema she didn't get. 3537 03:20:40,428 --> 03:20:42,908 We're really hand-to-hand combat. 3538 03:20:42,964 --> 03:20:48,038 I mean, it's really fighting and I stick him in the eye with the eel and then I try to catch him on fire and 3539 03:20:48,102 --> 03:20:50,241 then I actually, you know, say, 3540 03:20:50,304 --> 03:20:51,977 "Fuck you!" 3541 03:20:52,040 --> 03:20:55,613 And I loved that, 'cause Nancyjust never gets to say that. (laughing) 3542 03:20:55,676 --> 03:20:57,155 And then he yanks me 3543 03:20:57,211 --> 03:20:59,020 by the hair and he throws me up against the wall, 3544 03:20:59,080 --> 03:21:01,458 and if you'll notice, right next to my head it says, 3545 03:21:01,516 --> 03:21:01,926 "Lust." 3546 03:21:02,150 --> 03:21:07,566 At that point, you know, Nancy and Freddy's relationship always had a sexual 3547 03:21:07,622 --> 03:21:10,034 componenLAm I gonna kiss her 3548 03:21:10,091 --> 03:21:11,661 or gut her? 3549 03:21:11,726 --> 03:21:13,865 You know? it had to be that fine line there. 3550 03:21:13,928 --> 03:21:18,604 To me, that is just the embodiment of our battle through the whole, all the movies. 3551 03:21:18,666 --> 03:21:21,647 K.N.B. made a reallly long tongue 3552 03:21:21,702 --> 03:21:26,014 that, you know, wraps around my neck and my head. 3553 03:21:26,074 --> 03:21:29,283 It's actually, like, my least favorite thing I've done for "A Nightmare on Elm Street." 3554 03:21:29,343 --> 03:21:35,419 (screaming) 3555 03:21:35,483 --> 03:21:39,431 We built a big, you know, foam latex cable-operated tongue and 3556 03:21:39,487 --> 03:21:42,161 lubed it up. And, of course, that's always going to bring about jokes 3557 03:21:42,223 --> 03:21:44,328 no matter what. You know, like, "Hey, ha ha ha." 3558 03:21:44,392 --> 03:21:48,272 When you're the only woman there and men are wrapping, like, 3559 03:21:48,329 --> 03:21:53,278 a giant phallic symbol around your head, (laughing) it really was awful. 3560 03:21:53,334 --> 03:21:57,874 I can remember telling, sort of lecturing the crew, "Come on now, she's a human being and 3561 03:21:57,939 --> 03:22:00,112 don't have a laugh at her expense." 3562 03:22:01,442 --> 03:22:03,683 There's also a Wnole transformation thing, 3563 03:22:03,744 --> 03:22:07,624 'which we got to do a 'make Freddy Kmeger change-o head.. 3564 03:22:07,682 --> 03:22:09,889 A bunch of crazy stuff in that film. 3565 03:22:09,951 --> 03:22:11,362 Well I remember Wes 3566 03:22:11,419 --> 03:22:14,127 unwanted to get a real reaction out of Mike at one point. 3567 03:22:14,188 --> 03:22:18,398 And I said, "Wes, I can scare anybody. I can scare the biggest grip on this set. 3568 03:22:18,459 --> 03:22:20,871 You want me to really tum it up?" And I did. 3569 03:22:20,928 --> 03:22:22,703 And I'm supposed to run up some stairs, 3570 03:22:22,763 --> 03:22:25,073 run down some stairs, and he pops up.. 3571 03:22:25,133 --> 03:22:28,273 They didn't tell me he was gonna be there to scare me. 3572 03:22:28,336 --> 03:22:31,283 Scared the bejesus out of Mike. 3573 03:22:31,339 --> 03:22:33,842 I didn't blame it all on Wes. I could have. 3574 03:22:33,908 --> 03:22:35,012 "Wes made me do it!" 3575 03:22:35,076 --> 03:22:37,647 I totally don't mind now, I get it. I mean, it was probably good 'cause 3576 03:22:37,712 --> 03:22:38,918 they got a good reaction. 3577 03:22:38,980 --> 03:22:42,223 The nice thing about that movie is that my character is really like 3578 03:22:42,283 --> 03:22:43,193 Gretel 3579 03:22:43,251 --> 03:22:44,787 and my son is Hansel. 3580 03:22:44,852 --> 03:22:47,025 We're both just trying to get back 3581 03:22:47,088 --> 03:22:51,764 to the normal life that we had before Freddy started invading our dreams again. 3582 03:22:51,826 --> 03:22:53,203 And at the end we come back out of it 3583 03:22:53,261 --> 03:22:55,707 and go back to the normal wand. 3584 03:22:55,763 --> 03:22:59,472 This is something that's ageless. That's kind of what I wanted to say, 3585 03:22:59,534 --> 03:23:02,105 is that this kind of movie, this kind of story 3586 03:23:02,170 --> 03:23:03,945 could be found in "The Odyssey," could be found 3587 03:23:04,005 --> 03:23:05,279 in Greek tragedies. 3588 03:23:05,339 --> 03:23:09,185 It's the type of story that's been pan of humanity for millennia. 3589 03:23:09,243 --> 03:23:15,125 Hailed by the NewYorkTimes as, "an ingenious, cathartic exercise in illusion and fear," 3590 03:23:15,183 --> 03:23:22,101 Wes Craven's "N ew Nightmare" was released on October 14, 1994 to glowing reviews but 3591 03:23:22,156 --> 03:23:27,799 disappointing box office. However, to many, Wes Craven's final nod to Freddy 3592 03:23:27,862 --> 03:23:30,775 remains a high point in the franchise 3593 03:23:30,831 --> 03:23:35,974 To me, it's the end of the "Nightmare" series, you know, despite what all other nonsense 3594 03:23:36,037 --> 03:23:37,175 they did after that. 3595 03:23:37,238 --> 03:23:38,945 (laughing) 3596 03:23:39,006 --> 03:23:43,421 But, to me, that really was the finale and I think Wes wrapped it up quite well. 3597 03:23:43,477 --> 03:23:48,551 And, I think, without a doubt, it's my favorite of the films now. I think it's so smart. 3598 03:23:48,616 --> 03:23:50,994 Every time I see it I find something new. 3599 03:23:51,052 --> 03:23:53,999 I love what we say about Hollywood and ourselves 3600 03:23:54,055 --> 03:23:57,730 When the movie opened I think it opened opposite "Pulp Fiction," so 3601 03:23:57,792 --> 03:24:00,466 "Pulp Fiction" was obviously a tour de force. 3602 03:24:00,528 --> 03:24:04,806 Ithinkthe film kind of got lost a little bit in that, but thanks to, you know, DVD and everything like that, 3603 03:24:04,865 --> 03:24:06,776 it still has a fan base. 3604 03:24:06,834 --> 03:24:10,179 That film was very much ahead of it's time. I think that's one of the reasons why it's had 3605 03:24:10,238 --> 03:24:12,445 a pretty good afterlife and pretty good legs. 3606 03:24:12,506 --> 03:24:15,919 When we look back, it was actually a relatively well-reviewed film at the time. 3607 03:24:15,977 --> 03:24:23,623 It was almost a little too unique and cerebral. So, it wasn't so much scary, it was just clever. 3608 03:24:23,684 --> 03:24:25,288 It had a lot of story, 3609 03:24:25,353 --> 03:24:29,665 a lot of logic, a lot of reason. And those things aren't necessarily important 3610 03:24:29,724 --> 03:24:33,001 to a Friday night crowd of teenagers. 3611 03:24:33,060 --> 03:24:35,904 I think it was the precursor to "Scream." 3612 03:24:35,963 --> 03:24:40,002 "New Nightmare" was made for the people who made the film, kind of adults. 3613 03:24:40,067 --> 03:24:44,846 "Scream" was made for the audience that watches the film and those were the central characters. 3614 03:24:44,905 --> 03:24:48,876 "Is that the one where the guy had knives for fingers? Yeah, Freddy Krueger." 3615 03:24:48,943 --> 03:24:53,915 And you notice that Wes, a lot of the characters take a swipe at 'Nightmare on Elm Street." 3616 03:24:53,981 --> 03:24:57,485 "It was scary. Well, the first one was but the rest sucked." 3617 03:24:57,551 --> 03:25:01,021 She did it with great relish, I noticed as well. 3618 03:25:01,088 --> 03:25:03,500 So many years later, it's like, 3619 03:25:03,557 --> 03:25:05,002 I'm just philosophical about it, 3620 03:25:05,059 --> 03:25:10,202 so I tapped into something. Half of it I was aware of and half- maybe much more than half-- I wasn't aware of what I had. 3621 03:25:10,264 --> 03:25:15,441 And it's just like something you step back and say, "Wow. I might've started that, but it took on 3622 03:25:15,503 --> 03:25:16,675 a Me of its awn?' 3623 03:25:29,417 --> 03:25:36,699 Fueled by fans' desire to see two titans of terror battle to the death, "Freddy vs. Jason" was a film inspired by 3624 03:25:36,757 --> 03:25:40,864 the classic horror match-ups of the '30s and '40s. 3625 03:25:40,928 --> 03:25:45,673 "Freddy vs. Jason" has been incubating since the first 14-year-old boy came up to me after the first 3626 03:25:45,733 --> 03:25:50,773 "Nightmare on Elm Street" and said, "Dude, you think you could kick Jason's ass?" 3627 03:25:50,838 --> 03:25:55,753 Each time I did another "Friday the 13th" movie it was talked about. 3628 03:25:55,810 --> 03:25:57,915 Which is that male adolescent fantasy. 3629 03:25:57,978 --> 03:26:01,653 It goes back to "Frankenstein Meets the Wolf man." This is nothing new. 3630 03:26:01,716 --> 03:26:06,597 And then when we finally got to "Jason Goes to Hell," of course, at the end 3631 03:26:06,654 --> 03:26:10,864 the hockey mask is on the ground and Freddy's hand comes out of the ground and grabs the mask, 3632 03:26:10,925 --> 03:26:15,374 which, by the my, was my hand. So, I technically did a shot as Freddy. 3633 03:26:15,429 --> 03:26:16,840 There was a problem with it because 3634 03:26:16,897 --> 03:26:18,342 we didn't have the rights to "Jason" - 3635 03:26:18,399 --> 03:26:21,312 that was Paramount. And it took a long time for 3636 03:26:21,369 --> 03:26:25,943 Paramount to finally lose their option. They wanted to distribute the film and 3637 03:26:26,006 --> 03:26:28,384 so it was a combination of things. 3638 03:26:28,442 --> 03:26:30,217 I never really had any participation after 3639 03:26:30,277 --> 03:26:32,917 "New Nightmare" -- that was kind of the end of it for me. 3640 03:26:33,180 --> 03:26:37,322 There was always this little bit of a conflict in terms of how to 3641 03:26:37,418 --> 03:26:41,662 conceive of "Freddy vs. Jason," of how to write "Freddy vs. Jason," how to tell the story. 3642 03:26:41,722 --> 03:26:46,102 The problem was, even if you have these two characters together and they're both box office bofio, 3643 03:26:46,160 --> 03:26:47,605 Jason fives in this wand and than' 3644 03:26:47,661 --> 03:26:49,163 Freddy is over in the dream world. 3645 03:26:49,230 --> 03:26:52,768 How do you get those two together in a way that they can successfully fight each other. 3646 03:26:52,833 --> 03:26:58,215 I remember being at New Line during the gestation of "Freddy vs. Jason" and it seemed to go on for years 3647 03:26:58,272 --> 03:26:59,979 because it did go on for years. 3648 03:27:00,040 --> 03:27:06,821 It is, arguably, the single longest developed project in the history of Hollywood. 3649 03:27:06,881 --> 03:27:09,521 I just thought it was always one of those legend projects, but I didn't realize that 3650 03:27:09,583 --> 03:27:11,153 so many people had actually been working on it. 3651 03:27:11,452 --> 03:27:14,160 I thinkthere were 13, 14, 15 writers on that script. 3652 03:27:14,221 --> 03:27:15,962 Something like 17 or 18 writers. 3653 03:27:16,023 --> 03:27:19,903 So many dreams, so many ways that Jason has killed people. 3654 03:27:19,960 --> 03:27:23,169 It was a real challenge to try to kind of reinvigorate everything. 3655 03:27:23,230 --> 03:27:27,872 I believe I uvas playing off of a draft they had, so some of the things in the draft I did were 3656 03:27:27,935 --> 03:27:32,042 original, but some were also in whatever the previous draft was. 3657 03:27:32,106 --> 03:27:33,551 The only thing we were given, 3658 03:27:33,607 --> 03:27:39,182 was the notion of, that everybody across the board liked, was the notion of the Freddy cult. 3659 03:27:39,246 --> 03:27:43,251 I created the head of a cult of Freddy fanatics who were called Fred Heads. 3660 03:27:43,317 --> 03:27:50,235 And they all wore, like, the striped sweaters and everything. And that cult was somehow instrumental in the plot 3661 03:27:50,291 --> 03:27:52,168 and trying to sort of resurrect Freddy. 3662 03:27:52,226 --> 03:27:56,197 Ron Moore, of now "Battlestar Galactica" fame, and I 3663 03:27:56,263 --> 03:27:57,799 came up with a take. 3664 03:27:57,865 --> 03:28:02,974 The O.J. Simpson trial was going on during the time we wrote it and one of the drafts had this uvhole thing where 3665 03:28:03,037 --> 03:28:06,507 Jason actually gets caught and he's actually going to go on trial. 3666 03:28:06,574 --> 03:28:08,520 And the main character's the defense lawyer. 3667 03:28:08,576 --> 03:28:11,785 I mean there was a lot of weird-ass shit in those screenplays. 3668 03:28:11,846 --> 03:28:16,955 One of the highlights was when Freddy Krueger actually pissed in the Holy Grail. (laughing) 3669 03:28:17,017 --> 03:28:20,123 I know that there was a boxing scene. I know there was a hockey scene. 3670 03:28:20,187 --> 03:28:24,431 I know that Freddy got beamed as a satellite ray into the sun. 3671 03:28:24,492 --> 03:28:28,668 He had to collect thirteen dream demons or something like that. 3672 03:28:28,729 --> 03:28:34,236 Freddy raped Jason's mother or Jason at one point. They had a love baby, I don't kn ow. Some of th em got a little weird. 3673 03:28:34,301 --> 03:28:37,305 You got all these pieces sort of built on top of each other Wnen, 3674 03:28:37,371 --> 03:28:40,818 at the end of the day, I think if you ask most of the fans, I want to see Freddy 3675 03:28:40,875 --> 03:28:42,320 as I know and love him best, 3676 03:28:42,376 --> 03:28:44,219 Jason as I know him and love him best and just let these two 3677 03:28:44,278 --> 03:28:46,781 sort of forces of nature go head-to-head. 3678 03:28:46,847 --> 03:28:53,230 It's Ali vs. Tyson, it's the irresistible force vs. the immovable object, and let them go. And ultimately, thankfully, it ended up in that place. 3679 03:28:53,420 --> 03:28:57,163 I think it was the fact that we didn't change their mythologies. 3680 03:28:57,224 --> 03:29:00,797 We came in saying, "There's a way to really screw this up." 3681 03:29:00,861 --> 03:29:03,603 and that's if you start changing who Freddy is, 3682 03:29:03,664 --> 03:29:05,769 who Jason is. If you start reinventing their backstory 3683 03:29:05,833 --> 03:29:07,835 fans are going to go nuts. 3684 03:29:07,902 --> 03:29:11,372 Those guys, ultimately, because they grew up as fans of both these franchises, got it. 3685 03:29:11,438 --> 03:29:18,151 I think what we tried to do, and succeeded in some fronts and didn't in others, was make them at least truly evil, scary characters again. 3686 03:29:18,212 --> 03:29:21,955 Things we always thought about were, what were the fans going to think and what will Wes Craven think. 3687 03:29:22,016 --> 03:29:25,554 And, you know, we just tried to basically, God, not screw it up. 3688 03:29:25,619 --> 03:29:30,329 When it finally got together, we had trouble finding a director, too. 3689 03:29:30,391 --> 03:29:32,667 They met with probably 40 directors. 3690 03:29:32,726 --> 03:29:35,798 They met with every director you could think of. We went to one of the executives and said, 3691 03:29:35,863 --> 03:29:37,570 "You should really think about this guy Ronny Yu," 3692 03:29:37,631 --> 03:29:39,076 because we were big fans of 3693 03:29:39,133 --> 03:29:40,407 "The Bride With White Hair." 3694 03:29:40,467 --> 03:29:44,916 We always were pushing for Ronny from day one. We really liked Ronny. And then, at the beginning, I think he said no. 3695 03:29:45,039 --> 03:29:51,285 That first meeting my intention really was to go in to tell Bob that I don't want to do the movie. 3696 03:29:51,378 --> 03:29:56,327 We had a lot of meetings with Ronny. I remember a meeting at least 5 hours long where 3697 03:29:56,383 --> 03:29:58,294 Damian and I were literally acting out the script. 3698 03:29:58,419 --> 03:30:03,334 I told him straight away that I'm not a fan of both fianchises, 3699 03:30:03,390 --> 03:30:08,305 but he said to me, "That's great," because he wants somebody to come in with a different angle. 3700 03:30:08,362 --> 03:30:10,603 At this point we were looking forjourneymen. 3701 03:30:10,664 --> 03:30:13,201 I like the guy's cultural influences, 3702 03:30:13,267 --> 03:30:15,042 he's also a nice guythat 3703 03:30:15,102 --> 03:30:17,412 I felt like I could get along with, and he got hired. 3704 03:30:17,471 --> 03:30:21,613 There was an assistant, a gentleman by the name of 3705 03:30:21,675 --> 03:30:25,521 Jeff Katz and I think he's been a great help to me. 3706 03:30:25,579 --> 03:30:31,086 When I dropped out of college to intem at New Line, my real goal was, I need to get on "Freddy vs. Jason" 3707 03:30:31,151 --> 03:30:35,327 before it comes out, because that's like my dream movie to go make. I grew up on these things. 3708 03:30:35,389 --> 03:30:38,927 And when I started writing Bob Shaye as a little kid, it was built around the idea 3709 03:30:38,993 --> 03:30:41,132 that some day I'm going to come out and make a "Nightmare on Elm Street" movie. 3710 03:30:41,195 --> 03:30:43,436 He is the hardcore audience, 3711 03:30:43,497 --> 03:30:48,412 you know, of "Freddy" and "Jason" and he told me everything. 3712 03:30:48,469 --> 03:30:51,006 I was lucky enough to be a 24-year-old kid living the dream. 3713 03:30:51,071 --> 03:30:56,521 And to have your first movie you work on be your childhood dream movie is a pretty cool and surreal experience. 3714 03:30:56,577 --> 03:31:04,997 I was very involved once they started developing the idea. I was in contact with people at New Line. 3715 03:31:05,052 --> 03:31:07,692 They were saying, you know, "We're finally going to do this." 3716 03:31:07,755 --> 03:31:10,065 We always assumed that it would be Kane. 3717 03:31:10,124 --> 03:31:14,994 I always envisioned him as a Jason that could beat the shit out of Freddy. 3718 03:31:14,995 --> 03:31:22,743 And then they hired a director and then all of a sudden I started getting the feeling that something was changing. 3719 03:31:22,803 --> 03:31:29,482 Immediately we had some casting issues because before I'm on board 3720 03:31:29,543 --> 03:31:33,992 already the studio decided that they want a new Jason 3721 03:31:34,048 --> 03:31:36,551 And I was never given any kind of reason. 3722 03:31:36,617 --> 03:31:41,532 I mean, I know the thinking there. I think, physically, they were looking for somebody that was taller. 3723 03:31:41,588 --> 03:31:43,693 Could Kane probably have done it? Sure. 3724 03:31:43,757 --> 03:31:48,035 But I also do think that you were dealing with the idea that from a directorial point of view, 3725 03:31:48,095 --> 03:31:49,733 they were very clear, they wanted the idea of 3726 03:31:49,797 --> 03:31:51,834 one guy big and burly, one guy small and lanky. 3727 03:31:51,899 --> 03:31:54,880 I think, that to me, really was the largest piece to that decision. 3728 03:31:54,935 --> 03:31:59,441 I said, "Fine," you know, "this is their call and I'm fine with it." 3729 03:31:59,506 --> 03:32:01,213 It was nice to hear that a lot of fans 3730 03:32:01,275 --> 03:32:04,188 were not happy withe idea either, but 3731 03:32:04,244 --> 03:32:08,784 it was going to be a success to matter mmat, just because people wanted to see the 3732 03:32:08,849 --> 03:32:10,328 two characters together. 3733 03:32:10,384 --> 03:32:18,599 The biggest question was, who would win the high stakes match-up: a maniacal dream stalker or a brutal force of nature? 3734 03:32:18,659 --> 03:32:20,935 When I was making "Bride of Chucky," 3735 03:32:20,994 --> 03:32:23,440 I learned, "Don't take this too seriously," you know, 3736 03:32:23,497 --> 03:32:30,847 have fun with the monster. So, I used the same sort of principle to apply on "Freddy vs Jason." 3737 03:32:30,904 --> 03:32:35,410 Just that little outsideness that Ronny Yu brought to it, 3738 03:32:35,476 --> 03:32:37,114 being a Hung Kong director, 3739 03:32:37,177 --> 03:32:39,817 really helped it, I think. It's got a terrific cast, you know, 3740 03:32:39,880 --> 03:32:41,587 Jason Ritter, Monica Keena, 3741 03:32:41,648 --> 03:32:42,854 Kelly Remand, 3742 03:32:42,916 --> 03:32:44,122 Katharine Isabelle 3743 03:32:44,184 --> 03:32:47,597 from all of the "Ginger Snap" films. So, a terrific little cast. 3744 03:32:47,654 --> 03:32:54,071 "Lori, 17, pulls a stuffed toy, like a Furby but creepier, away from her friend Kia. 3745 03:32:54,128 --> 03:32:56,904 Lori is an attractive, trusting gin next door." 3746 03:32:56,964 --> 03:33:03,609 When I was 8 years old I lived in Brooklyn and I went dovm the street to my best friend LeeAnn's house 3747 03:33:03,670 --> 03:33:06,947 and they were watching "Nightmare on Elm Street," and I thought, 3748 03:33:07,107 --> 03:33:13,183 "This is just too terrifying." I had never seen anything like that before, I'd never been allowed to watch horror movies before. 3749 03:33:13,247 --> 03:33:18,247 I was so traumatized by this movie that I couldn't, literally, couldn't sleep forweeks 3750 03:33:18,886 --> 03:33:22,834 and it changed my physical appearance. At the age of 8, 3751 03:33:22,890 --> 03:33:28,306 I lost like 10 pounds. My teachers got so concerned that they called my mother and said, 3752 03:33:28,362 --> 03:33:31,366 "ls there something going on? Is she being abused at home?" 3753 03:33:31,431 --> 03:33:35,004 And my mother found a picture of Robert Englund the actor, 3754 03:33:35,068 --> 03:33:37,981 and Robert Englund in the Freddy Krueger makeup and 3755 03:33:38,038 --> 03:33:44,614 pasted them up near my bedside table. And every night before I'd go to sleep, literally for like a year, 3756 03:33:44,678 --> 03:33:48,649 I would have to look at it and say, "lt'sjust a movie, it's just a movie. He's not a real guy." 3757 03:33:48,715 --> 03:33:52,527 And I rememberthinking, "I'm gonna grow up one day and I'm gonna be an actress 3758 03:33:52,586 --> 03:33:55,089 and I'm never gonna make movies that scare little kids." 3759 03:33:55,155 --> 03:33:57,396 Cut to, a couple years later. 3760 03:33:57,457 --> 03:34:01,599 I was always joking to her, I said, "Your scream can break glasses." 3761 03:34:01,662 --> 03:34:02,800 (screaming) 3762 03:34:02,996 --> 03:34:11,245 When I was screaming and hysterical, I really feel that came from a place that I've repressed for so long that 3763 03:34:11,305 --> 03:34:13,251 I was able to tap back into immediately. 3764 03:34:13,307 --> 03:34:16,049 She almost, like, lost her voice after the movie. 3765 03:34:16,109 --> 03:34:18,282 And I didn't tell Robert this story 3766 03:34:18,345 --> 03:34:22,384 until the last day offllming and he thought that was just so hysterical. 3767 03:34:22,449 --> 03:34:24,793 I was reallly excited to work with Jason Ritter 3768 03:34:24,852 --> 03:34:28,823 and he was actually a late addition because, I don't know if people know this, but 3769 03:34:28,889 --> 03:34:33,099 Brad Renfro was originally playing that part of Will. 3770 03:34:33,160 --> 03:34:36,505 I was a big fan, I thought he was a really good actor and we were excited. 3771 03:34:36,563 --> 03:34:38,839 You know, rest in peace, Brad Renfro. Brad Renfro, 3772 03:34:38,966 --> 03:34:45,315 I think, was, like, one of the more promising young actors that we'd seen in a while. 3773 03:34:45,372 --> 03:34:52,312 As I'm sure everybody knows, he had a lot of personal problems and those problems became clear when he showed up to the set. 3774 03:34:52,379 --> 03:34:58,523 I actually had to screen test with him and they thought our chemistry was so good together, 3775 03:34:58,585 --> 03:35:01,293 that really kind of part of the reason 3776 03:35:01,355 --> 03:35:03,767 I ended up being cast was because of Brad. 3777 03:35:03,824 --> 03:35:04,802 Suddenly I remember 3778 03:35:04,858 --> 03:35:08,169 John Ritter, who worked on "Bride of Chucky." 3779 03:35:08,228 --> 03:35:10,640 And I also then remembered that he has a son 3780 03:35:10,697 --> 03:35:12,643 that also is an actor. 3781 03:35:12,699 --> 03:35:14,406 I was thrilled with Jason Ritter, 3782 03:35:14,468 --> 03:35:18,416 he's one of my favorite people now. It was sad, it was sad 3783 03:35:18,472 --> 03:35:22,750 to have to lose one to get the other. In my ideal wand, there would have been two V\fllls. 3784 03:35:22,976 --> 03:35:31,361 You need to have one guy that the audience should invest a little bit of their emotion. 3785 03:35:31,418 --> 03:35:32,829 Person ally, I thought 3786 03:35:32,886 --> 03:35:35,093 we should invest a little bit more on Jason. 3787 03:35:35,155 --> 03:35:38,364 For me, he's almost like a samurai that went nuts. 3788 03:35:38,425 --> 03:35:40,132 You know a samurai is so loyal 3789 03:35:40,193 --> 03:35:42,366 and Jason is so loyal to his mother. 3790 03:35:42,429 --> 03:35:44,875 We have Freddy here, really tormented him, 3791 03:35:44,932 --> 03:35:46,309 humiliated him. 3792 03:35:46,366 --> 03:35:48,346 I never asked anybody 3793 03:35:48,402 --> 03:35:49,642 to like Freddy, 3794 03:35:49,703 --> 03:35:51,649 certainly not to feel sympathetic for Freddy. 3795 03:35:51,705 --> 03:35:54,311 Freddy likes his work. 3796 03:35:54,374 --> 03:35:57,878 We always saw it as, you know, Freddy was the psychological manipulator. 3797 03:35:57,945 --> 03:36:01,654 I don't think that Wes ever saw this as a high body count type thing. 3798 03:36:01,715 --> 03:36:04,662 Freddy was more cerebral, plot-driven, manipulative. 3799 03:36:04,718 --> 03:36:07,756 For us, "Friday the 13th" was more fun, bloody, 3800 03:36:07,821 --> 03:36:08,856 high body count. 3801 03:36:08,922 --> 03:36:11,061 So, in that sense, we tried to stay true to both characters. 3802 03:36:11,124 --> 03:36:16,073 Freddy sort of enlisted Jason to be his little minion to help him kill people. 3803 03:36:16,129 --> 03:36:22,774 One of the funniest things I thought about in that movie was that, you know, Freddy was about to kill people 3804 03:36:22,836 --> 03:36:25,407 and then Jason would kind of circumvent him, 3805 03:36:25,472 --> 03:36:27,509 you know, beat him to the punch. 3806 03:36:27,574 --> 03:36:29,850 "She's mine! Mine!" 3807 03:36:29,910 --> 03:36:32,789 And then it became a competition of them fighting 3808 03:36:32,846 --> 03:36:34,848 after the same prey. 3809 03:36:34,915 --> 03:36:40,024 And so that's how they became adversaries, which was kind of cool. 3810 03:36:40,087 --> 03:36:44,263 I'm actually the only one that Freddy actually kills 3811 03:36:44,324 --> 03:36:45,769 in "Freddy vs. Jason." 3812 03:36:45,826 --> 03:36:48,432 So, I'm a very lucky, lucky, lucky man. 3813 03:36:48,495 --> 03:36:51,101 "Mark sits at his desk, going through drawers. 3814 03:36:51,164 --> 03:36:56,307 He pulls out a framed black-and-white photo of him on the shoulders of his older brother Bobby." 3815 03:36:56,370 --> 03:37:03,515 The character I play in "Freddy vs. Jason Bobby, ends up becoming a tormenter of Mark, 3816 03:37:03,577 --> 03:37:06,581 but he's actually his older brother. And, 3817 03:37:06,646 --> 03:37:09,252 even though I am Scut Farkus from "A Christmas Story," 3818 03:37:09,316 --> 03:37:11,956 and I'm kn own as a turd wofldwide around Christmas, 3819 03:37:12,019 --> 03:37:17,367 I don't think that was a motivating factor for hiring me as Bobby because you had to have 3820 03:37:17,424 --> 03:37:19,301 a lot of sympathy and pathos for Bobby. 3821 03:37:19,359 --> 03:37:23,364 That was two of my favorite characters; we loved that relationship. 3822 03:37:23,430 --> 03:37:31,110 There was this kind of unspoken history vi/nere Mark's brother was, you know, killed at some point by Freddy. 3823 03:37:31,171 --> 03:37:32,980 And it really ramped up 3824 03:37:33,040 --> 03:37:35,850 the pain that Mark's character felt in losing his older brother 3825 03:37:35,909 --> 03:37:40,289 and gave him a lot more momentum and impetus as to why he reacted the way he did. 3826 03:37:40,347 --> 03:37:42,349 And that did just get hacked to shit. 3827 03:37:42,482 --> 03:37:46,123 I'm walking through this elaborate bathroom set 3828 03:37:46,186 --> 03:37:47,995 and then committing suicide 3829 03:37:48,055 --> 03:37:51,901 was a full day and a half of shooting 3830 03:37:51,958 --> 03:37:55,462 wearing nothing but what we call in the industry, a "cock sock." 3831 03:37:55,529 --> 03:37:57,907 Shooting the bathroom scene, I had 3832 03:37:57,964 --> 03:37:59,910 the prosthetics coming out, 3833 03:37:59,966 --> 03:38:02,105 the blood tendrils coming out of my feet, 3834 03:38:02,169 --> 03:38:03,614 rooting me to the floor. 3835 03:38:03,670 --> 03:38:08,085 And so, those took like three or four hours to set. 3836 03:38:08,141 --> 03:38:11,748 And then we had the other sequence where I'm walking towards Mark. 3837 03:38:11,812 --> 03:38:13,155 This prosthetic has got 3838 03:38:13,213 --> 03:38:17,457 all these little air bubbles in it that expand and contract 3839 03:38:17,517 --> 03:38:19,292 and some of them are filled with smoke 3840 03:38:19,352 --> 03:38:22,424 and some of them are filled with blood, some of them are filled with pus. 3841 03:38:22,489 --> 03:38:32,433 And right behind me, you've got five special effects guys on their knees, smoking cigarettes, blowing the smoke 3842 03:38:32,499 --> 03:38:34,206 through the tube, pumping these things. (laughing) 3843 03:38:34,267 --> 03:38:37,942 And on their knees waddling as quietly as they can and you're trying to be all 3844 03:38:38,004 --> 03:38:40,644 sexy and scary, you know, while you do this monologue towards Brendan, 3845 03:38:40,707 --> 03:38:43,051 and you've got five people up your butt. 3846 03:38:43,110 --> 03:38:49,288 We shot more with Mark, that dream stuff, that I would love to see actually go back in at some point on DVD, 3847 03:38:49,349 --> 03:38:52,057 that has a little more of Freddy screwing with him and is a little more 3848 03:38:52,152 --> 03:38:54,598 sort of drawn out in the classic Freddy tradition. 3849 03:38:54,721 --> 03:39:02,139 It was really cool for me, you know, to be in scenes with Freddy and have him be doing these very, like, classic things. 3850 03:39:02,195 --> 03:39:06,007 Like, he would be stalking me when I was in the corner in the bathroom 3851 03:39:06,066 --> 03:39:09,878 and he'd be taking his claws out and, like, dragging them dovm my face. 3852 03:39:09,936 --> 03:39:12,917 And, you know, I'm trying to act scared, but in my mind, 3853 03:39:12,973 --> 03:39:16,853 I'm like,"Oh my God, this is so classic." Like, "I can't believe 3854 03:39:16,910 --> 03:39:18,548 he's doing this. 3855 03:39:18,612 --> 03:39:20,023 He must really like me." 3856 03:39:20,080 --> 03:39:21,684 Originally, Brendan was gonna vomit all this stuff. 3857 03:39:21,748 --> 03:39:23,421 I can't even remember if it's in the final cut. 3858 03:39:23,483 --> 03:39:27,056 When you're working on a Freddy movie, there's so much going on that you're like, 3859 03:39:27,120 --> 03:39:28,599 "Oh, really? We're setting me on fire now? 3860 03:39:28,655 --> 03:39:30,931 OK, sweet, nice, good. What's next? 3861 03:39:30,991 --> 03:39:36,134 Me getting my face slashed? Awesome. Let's do that." 3862 03:39:36,196 --> 03:39:39,200 Brendan Fletcher is a very, a really good actor. 3863 03:39:39,266 --> 03:39:44,340 He's got a fantastic range and a lot of passion and integrity and a pleasure to work with. 3864 03:39:44,404 --> 03:39:48,978 Zack Ward is a liar. Absolute liar. 3865 03:39:49,042 --> 03:39:51,420 "Dude, that goalie was pissed about something." 3866 03:39:51,478 --> 03:39:53,185 The character of Freeburg, I think was, 3867 03:39:53,246 --> 03:39:56,352 I don't even know if you would say inspired by 3868 03:39:56,416 --> 03:39:58,123 the "Jay & Silent Bob" character. 3869 03:39:58,251 --> 03:40:00,891 I feel like it was sort of a direct rip off. 3870 03:40:00,954 --> 03:40:03,298 It almost takes you out of it because you're like, 3871 03:40:03,356 --> 03:40:07,566 "Wait, is that that guyfrom "Jay & Silent Bob"? And what is he doing here?" 3872 03:40:07,627 --> 03:40:10,301 I mean it was amazing. When they offered this 3873 03:40:10,397 --> 03:40:12,104 and I went and I played Freeburg 3874 03:40:12,165 --> 03:40:14,202 and it was, like, a lifelong dream come 3875 03:40:14,267 --> 03:40:17,646 Wait, I didn't play Freeburg. I wasn't in that movie! 3876 03:40:17,704 --> 03:40:20,150 But it's never gonna be the way you picture it, you know. 3877 03:40:20,207 --> 03:40:21,584 Stuff gets rewritten and 3878 03:40:21,641 --> 03:40:23,643 they change things. I mean, you know, it's an organic thing. 3879 03:40:23,710 --> 03:40:29,217 I think most of my regrets about the cuts are stuff that made the movie illogical. 3880 03:40:29,282 --> 03:40:31,319 As a writer, the stuff that drives you crazy, is like, 3881 03:40:31,384 --> 03:40:34,058 "Well that doesn't make sense anymore because you cut this scene." 3882 03:40:34,120 --> 03:40:37,658 Or, you know, dialogue that just seems ridiculous now 'cause it's out of context. 3883 03:40:37,724 --> 03:40:40,534 "Freddy died by fire. Jason by water. 3884 03:40:40,594 --> 03:40:41,834 How can we use that?" 3885 03:40:41,895 --> 03:40:43,067 My philosophy is 3886 03:40:43,129 --> 03:40:45,405 everything in the movie 3887 03:40:45,465 --> 03:40:48,105 should set up for the end fight. 3888 03:40:48,168 --> 03:40:52,310 I finally had dragged Freddy back into reality, 3889 03:40:52,372 --> 03:40:53,817 into Camp Crystal Lake 3890 03:40:53,873 --> 03:40:55,409 where Jason's there waiting. 3891 03:40:55,475 --> 03:40:56,886 And it was a grueler because, 3892 03:40:56,943 --> 03:40:58,479 instead of chasing Heather around in her underwear 3893 03:40:58,545 --> 03:41:01,048 or lovely Lisa Wilcox in her teddy, 3894 03:41:01,114 --> 03:41:04,061 instead I'm rassling with 3895 03:41:04,117 --> 03:41:06,393 a 6 foot 7 Canadian who's been in over a hundred movies 3896 03:41:06,453 --> 03:41:08,865 and is buff and hard and can drink me under the table. 3897 03:41:08,922 --> 03:41:12,233 It was a rough shoot. I did a lot of my stunts. 3898 03:41:12,292 --> 03:41:14,272 I think the final battle was a lot of fun. 3899 03:41:14,327 --> 03:41:16,000 So over the top, 3900 03:41:16,062 --> 03:41:19,805 the violence and everything, that the audience would laugh 3901 03:41:19,866 --> 03:41:21,470 at the violence, rather than 3902 03:41:21,534 --> 03:41:23,343 really affected by the violence. 3903 03:41:23,403 --> 03:41:26,282 I got such a kick out of that because I thought, like, 3904 03:41:26,339 --> 03:41:28,512 they finally deserve it and they're 3905 03:41:28,575 --> 03:41:30,521 the only two that can torture each other 3906 03:41:30,577 --> 03:41:33,057 the way they've been torturing everybody else. 3907 03:41:33,113 --> 03:41:35,024 Maybe the thing that I hate the most 3908 03:41:35,081 --> 03:41:37,584 is Kelly Rowland's monologue right before she dies. 3909 03:41:37,651 --> 03:41:39,255 We didn't write a word of it. 3910 03:41:39,319 --> 03:41:43,267 "What kind of faggot runs around in a Christmas sweater?" 3911 03:41:43,323 --> 03:41:47,829 And when I saw it, I mean, it actually really bothered me that she used that word. 3912 03:41:47,894 --> 03:41:49,396 I'm surprised they kept it in. 3913 03:41:49,462 --> 03:41:55,743 Interesting enough that nobody, not New Line, not the studio, nobody sort of picked it out. 3914 03:41:55,802 --> 03:41:57,179 What our original idea was 3915 03:41:57,237 --> 03:41:58,910 she's talking to Jason and she basically says 3916 03:41:58,972 --> 03:42:01,509 the lines that Nancy said in the original "Nightmare." 3917 03:42:01,574 --> 03:42:04,316 "I take back every bit of energy I gave you." 3918 03:42:04,377 --> 03:42:07,085 She says, "I'm no longer afraid of you. I take back all my fear." 3919 03:42:07,147 --> 03:42:08,751 And Freddy's behind her and says, "Wrong one, bitch," 3920 03:42:08,815 --> 03:42:12,353 and that's what kills her because she is mistaking one mythology for the other. 3921 03:42:12,419 --> 03:42:15,332 But, um, the faggot line made it. (laughing) 3922 03:42:15,388 --> 03:42:20,667 I actually did do a lot of my own stunts to the point where I uvas like, a little frightened, you know. 3923 03:42:20,727 --> 03:42:24,300 There's this one scene where I'm running out of the burning building 3924 03:42:24,364 --> 03:42:27,470 and, like, the mmole dock is about to blow up. 3925 03:42:27,534 --> 03:42:31,311 It was only supposed to blow up about, you know, 30 feet fl'om us 3926 03:42:31,371 --> 03:42:34,648 and it ended up blowing up, it like ricocheted. 3927 03:42:34,708 --> 03:42:36,881 And everything, all hell broke loose. 3928 03:42:36,943 --> 03:42:38,820 (explosion) 3929 03:42:38,878 --> 03:42:40,949 We were hauling ass to get out of there and then 3930 03:42:41,014 --> 03:42:42,891 we just dive right into the water 3931 03:42:42,949 --> 03:42:48,399 and I remember aften-vards you could tell, from the look on the director's face and sort of all 3932 03:42:48,455 --> 03:42:53,598 the people in production's face, like, that something went drastically wrong. 3933 03:42:53,660 --> 03:42:56,698 My shoes would get burned and I don't even notice. 3934 03:42:56,763 --> 03:42:58,868 Well they just sort of said, "Okay, well we got that. Moving on. 3935 03:42:58,932 --> 03:43:01,776 That's destroyed. ls everyone okay?" 3936 03:43:01,835 --> 03:43:03,610 But it was a great sequence, you know, 3937 03:43:03,670 --> 03:43:05,809 at the end, you know. It's all worth it. 3938 03:43:05,872 --> 03:43:11,220 The most cathartic part about it is that I get to cut Freddy's head off. 3939 03:43:11,277 --> 03:43:12,779 It was like, "Fuck you. 3940 03:43:12,846 --> 03:43:16,350 Why'd you have to play that guy to traumatize me for all those years?" 3941 03:43:16,416 --> 03:43:19,488 That's my favorite moment I've ever had on film. 3942 03:43:19,552 --> 03:43:20,394 Even 3943 03:43:20,553 --> 03:43:23,534 They did a couple endings that usually ended up in hell 3944 03:43:23,590 --> 03:43:29,302 that was a very sort of classic third act sort of set piece location, a lot of those eany drafts. 3945 03:43:29,362 --> 03:43:32,070 Freddy and Jason were coming at each other and then just before 3946 03:43:32,132 --> 03:43:34,669 chains went into both of them and pulled them apart 3947 03:43:34,734 --> 03:43:36,270 and, I believe, Pinhead came out 3948 03:43:36,336 --> 03:43:38,441 and said, "N ow gentlemen, what seems to be the problem?," 3949 03:43:38,505 --> 03:43:43,181 mmich I thought was hilarious. That didn't work for a variety of reasons, 3950 03:43:43,243 --> 03:43:45,780 not the least ofvmich was that New Line did not ovm the character. 3951 03:43:45,845 --> 03:43:48,451 We have a title name, "Freddy vs Jason." 3952 03:43:48,515 --> 03:43:50,495 I always thought that the ending 3953 03:43:50,550 --> 03:43:53,224 should be on these two monsters. 3954 03:43:53,286 --> 03:43:55,892 It shouldn't be on any other people. 3955 03:43:55,955 --> 03:44:00,097 But somehow the studio thought differently, 3956 03:44:00,160 --> 03:44:02,868 and so we shot the ending with a love scene. 3957 03:44:02,929 --> 03:44:05,170 I'm about the be de-virginized. 3958 03:44:05,231 --> 03:44:07,734 VWI was having sex with Lori for the first time 3959 03:44:07,801 --> 03:44:09,747 and hand turns into a glove, which confuses me. 3960 03:44:09,803 --> 03:44:14,718 For me, it's a little bit sort of wimpy. 3961 03:44:14,774 --> 03:44:17,448 I thinkthey only showed it once and, I mean, 3962 03:44:17,510 --> 03:44:19,456 the audience hated it and I hated it, too. It didn't really make any sense. 3963 03:44:19,512 --> 03:44:23,426 Bob came in and says, "Okay, guys, we have a problem here because 3964 03:44:23,483 --> 03:44:26,794 the audience hated the ending. So what are we gonna do?" 3965 03:44:26,853 --> 03:44:29,857 And I hate to say, "I told you so, Bob," you know. 3966 03:44:29,923 --> 03:44:31,596 I immediately come up with 3967 03:44:31,658 --> 03:44:33,103 Jason coming out from the lake. 3968 03:44:33,159 --> 03:44:36,402 I remember "Apocalypse Now," 3969 03:44:36,463 --> 03:44:40,309 Martin Sheen's head coming out from the water. That is the inspiration, that's 3970 03:44:40,366 --> 03:44:42,403 how I got the idea. 3971 03:44:42,469 --> 03:44:46,884 And Bob says, "There'sjust one thing I want to add." I say, "What?" " 3972 03:44:46,940 --> 03:44:49,216 "I want Freddyto wink 3973 03:44:49,275 --> 03:44:51,482 at the end." I said, "Great!" 3974 03:44:51,544 --> 03:44:58,792 Nearly two decades in the making, "Freddy vs. Jason" finally arrived on August 13, 2003 and fans turned out in droves 3975 03:44:58,852 --> 03:45:06,998 making it the highest grossing entry in both the "Elm Street" and "Friday the 13th" franchises. The film's success proved 3976 03:45:07,060 --> 03:45:13,978 that by themselves Freddy Krueger and Jason Voorhees were forces to be reckoned with, but together they were unstoppable. 3977 03:45:14,033 --> 03:45:15,740 Before the release of the movie we had 3978 03:45:15,802 --> 03:45:18,715 this, like, press conference, you know, 3979 03:45:18,771 --> 03:45:23,914 in Las Vegas, you know, almost like a boxing match, like a Rocky boxing match, you know. 3980 03:45:23,977 --> 03:45:25,513 "Mama's boy here 3981 03:45:25,578 --> 03:45:28,582 he's stupid and he ain't got no style!" (audience boos) 3982 03:45:28,648 --> 03:45:31,857 And then they both come out and then they fight each other. 3983 03:45:31,918 --> 03:45:33,795 They smash the table 3984 03:45:33,853 --> 03:45:35,833 and smash the chair 3985 03:45:35,889 --> 03:45:37,334 and I'm stuck in the middle. 3986 03:45:37,390 --> 03:45:42,203 I'm scared. It scared the hell out of me. (laughing) 3987 03:45:42,262 --> 03:45:45,436 When the movie came out it was the highest horror opening of all time. 3988 03:45:45,498 --> 03:45:47,842 I think it was the highest grossing of the bunch. 3989 03:45:47,901 --> 03:45:51,849 I think it opened to $25 million or something the first weekend. 3990 03:45:51,905 --> 03:45:54,044 Like, it was huge. 3991 03:45:54,107 --> 03:45:59,648 That's really a fan-inspired film and that's probably one reason it did $135 million worldwide. 3992 03:45:59,712 --> 03:46:04,684 This movie made a lot of money. So, if you think about it, a lot of people 3993 03:46:04,751 --> 03:46:06,253 have seen my bum. 3994 03:46:06,319 --> 03:46:07,627 Like a lot. 3995 03:46:07,687 --> 03:46:12,830 That performance at the box office was really driven by convening the non-fans, getting those guys back that 3996 03:46:12,892 --> 03:46:14,838 had not seen one of these movies in several years. 3997 03:46:14,894 --> 03:46:18,740 There's nothing that brought it up to the level where you could feel, 3998 03:46:18,798 --> 03:46:20,903 this is about some important human issues, aside from 3999 03:46:20,967 --> 03:46:22,810 just two men smashing each other. 4000 03:46:22,869 --> 03:46:24,280 So, it didn't do it for me. 4001 03:46:24,337 --> 03:46:29,685 It's just a fun movie. It's kind of like a big comic book. 4002 03:46:29,742 --> 03:46:30,982 Personally, 4003 03:46:31,044 --> 03:46:33,650 I just felt that my instinct was right, 4004 03:46:33,713 --> 03:46:38,287 even though I don't have that much experience, you know, with both franchises. 4005 03:46:38,351 --> 03:46:42,629 I'm so happy that the audience also endorsed that. 4006 03:46:42,689 --> 03:46:46,660 There were some interesting ideas at one time. There was a, you know, 4007 03:46:46,726 --> 03:46:48,865 a "Freddy vs.Ash vs. Jason" that was talked about. 4008 03:46:48,928 --> 03:46:53,274 At that point we had all pretty much gone with the idea that it would be fun to go and get a real hero to go against them 4009 03:46:53,333 --> 03:46:55,438 and not try to mix the mythology. 4010 03:46:55,501 --> 03:46:56,809 I think that Sam Raimi wanted 4011 03:46:56,869 --> 03:46:59,349 Bruce Campbell to win, mmich I thought was a terrific idea. 4012 03:46:59,405 --> 03:47:01,908 Making the world safe from sequels, Ash. 4013 03:47:01,975 --> 03:47:05,286 But I think that would be even harder than it was to pull off "Freddy vs Jason." 4014 03:47:05,345 --> 03:47:06,619 As you can see it, it wasn't that easy. 4015 03:47:06,679 --> 03:47:09,558 It was debated for a second, but it was never a serious consideration. 4016 03:47:09,616 --> 03:47:12,825 We didn't find the right combination of elements to make it work. 4017 03:47:12,885 --> 03:47:15,263 I think with me, it's about time for "Freddy Meets Viagra." 4018 03:47:15,321 --> 03:47:16,925 Who won, 4019 03:47:16,990 --> 03:47:18,560 Jason or Freddy? 4020 03:47:18,625 --> 03:47:21,231 It's fair to say it's a draw, ultimately. 4021 03:47:21,294 --> 03:47:22,796 They both sort of won. 4022 03:47:22,862 --> 03:47:26,332 I think the winners probably Jason Ritter because he gets to do a love scene with Monica Keena at the end. 4023 03:47:26,399 --> 03:47:30,973 I think that if you were a fan of Jason you definitely thought he won, and if you were a fan of Freddy, he won. 4024 03:47:31,037 --> 03:47:32,209 And that really, to me, is actually the perfect ending. 4025 03:47:32,271 --> 03:47:36,879 Freddy's winking at the end there, so, you know, he's still clickin'. 4026 03:47:36,943 --> 03:47:43,155 Well, in my mind, not necessarily in other people's minds, I think it's Freddy. 4027 03:47:43,216 --> 03:47:45,423 I think it's Freddy, Freddy, Freddy. 4028 03:48:03,569 --> 03:48:09,986 After forty years, the company that started from the trunk of its founder's car, saw itself at the end of an era. 4029 03:48:10,043 --> 03:48:17,120 In 2008 Bob Shaye's mini-major empire was consolidated into its parent company, Time Wamer. 4030 03:48:17,183 --> 03:48:19,459 'Merging with Warner Bros, of course, gave them' 4031 03:48:19,519 --> 03:48:24,867 almost unlimited resources in terms of financing, but it also tied their hands in many ways and 4032 03:48:24,924 --> 03:48:32,138 already then New Line changed from this really maverick, independent company that it had been. 4033 03:48:32,198 --> 03:48:34,508 By the time we were making "Nightmare 7," New Line 4034 03:48:34,567 --> 03:48:40,574 was already, you know they called it "mini-major," it had no resemblance to an independent film studio whatsoever. 4035 03:48:40,640 --> 03:48:44,588 You could never make a film anymore there for less than 20 or 30 million dollars. 4036 03:48:44,644 --> 03:48:47,682 You know, I'm like, "Don't you understand we made these films for 5 dollars." 4037 03:48:47,747 --> 03:48:55,427 But all the son of small, more interesting stuff got lost in a bunch of corporate people working within the company. 4038 03:48:55,488 --> 03:48:57,832 Bob could no longer say, "Screw it, this is what I'm doing." 4039 03:48:57,890 --> 03:49:02,600 The company was getting unwieldy and the politics were getting unpleasant. 4040 03:49:02,662 --> 03:49:06,303 It was probably time to move on. 4041 03:49:06,365 --> 03:49:10,472 When Bob was then forced out of the company, 4042 03:49:10,536 --> 03:49:13,642 that was incredibly sad and incredibly shocking. 4043 03:49:13,706 --> 03:49:17,848 I still have sad feelings about the tum of events, 4044 03:49:17,910 --> 03:49:21,483 but I think, as somebody once said to me, divorce can also be a good deed. 4045 03:49:21,547 --> 03:49:26,826 I was sad, but in a way it felt like, okay, this has been 4046 03:49:26,886 --> 03:49:28,092 a blessed run. 4047 03:49:28,154 --> 03:49:29,497 And they made some absolutely amazing, 4048 03:49:29,555 --> 03:49:32,092 obviously, some phenomenal films within that. 4049 03:49:32,158 --> 03:49:34,536 Afier the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy it was 4050 03:49:34,594 --> 03:49:40,840 kind of like an epiphany and it may have been good to go outwith a bang. 4051 03:49:40,900 --> 03:49:46,407 And imagine that this guy created this company from nothing and it became 4052 03:49:46,472 --> 03:49:50,887 a billion-dollar-making company winning Oscars. 4053 03:49:50,943 --> 03:49:57,622 That's the American Dream, and Bob Shaye and Sara Risher, they have lived it. 4054 03:49:57,683 --> 03:50:01,790 It's, obviously, a sort of triumph of the underdog. 4055 03:50:01,854 --> 03:50:06,633 It changed our lives forever. So, we owe a lot to Freddy Krueger. 4056 03:50:06,692 --> 03:50:13,371 Forged with passion, ingenuity and a maverick spirit, New Line Cinema entered the annals of Hollywood history 4057 03:50:13,432 --> 03:50:16,777 as a pioneer in the world of independent filmmaking. 4058 03:50:16,836 --> 03:50:22,684 And those who were there tram the beginning will never forget the house that Freddy built. 4059 03:50:22,742 --> 03:50:25,746 Bob Shaye launched some incredible careers. 4060 03:50:25,812 --> 03:50:28,418 There was something really special going on during that time. 4061 03:50:28,481 --> 03:50:31,394 New Line really was a filmmaker's studio, 4062 03:50:31,450 --> 03:50:33,623 because Bob always saw himself as a filmmaker. 4063 03:50:33,686 --> 03:50:36,360 Whether you worked in the mail room, you were an unpaid intern, 4064 03:50:36,422 --> 03:50:38,834 wherever you came from, if you had a good idea, they'd use it. 4065 03:50:38,891 --> 03:50:41,701 One of the greatest times of my life, those years that I spent there. 4066 03:50:41,761 --> 03:50:46,107 That's what drove us all, was just this excitement to be working on a, you know, Hollywood film 4067 03:50:46,165 --> 03:50:50,477 and I get to be inventive, I get to be creative and think of things that have never been done before. 4068 03:50:50,536 --> 03:50:56,384 I'm very fond of the "Nightmare" series and I love looking back at them and I'm very proud of them. 4069 03:50:56,442 --> 03:51:02,324 There's actually so much more in this series than, I think, even the people who make it sometimes are aware. 4070 03:51:02,381 --> 03:51:08,525 They're kind of hallmarks of the era and, I think, the best ones. Take that, Jason. 4071 03:51:08,588 --> 03:51:11,000 I'm even going after Jason 'cause I don't care, 4072 03:51:11,057 --> 03:51:12,297 'cause I'm gangster. 4073 03:51:12,358 --> 03:51:16,738 It's become pan of, it's pan of my life. There's not a day that I don't think of "Nightmare on Elm Street." 4074 03:51:16,796 --> 03:51:20,243 I was the boy in school that people threw rocks at, and then 4075 03:51:20,299 --> 03:51:23,644 I was the one that ended up on the silver screen. 4076 03:51:23,703 --> 03:51:25,376 So, you never know how it's gonna go. 4077 03:51:25,438 --> 03:51:30,547 What was once sort of, like, "Yeah, I was in "Nightmare on Elm Street 3," 4078 03:51:30,610 --> 03:51:34,148 has tumed into a definite sense of pride about it. 4079 03:51:34,213 --> 03:51:38,525 And I think that that's going to live on and on and on. 4080 03:51:38,584 --> 03:51:47,197 I have literally met executives,"I'm having a meeting. But I'm a Freddy fan, you've got to sign this." I'm like, "Okay, this is off the chain." 4081 03:51:47,260 --> 03:51:52,471 it's still in my life. Look, it's been years and years and no other movie I did is still in my life like this. 4082 03:51:52,531 --> 03:51:54,977 Still, now, I mean, even after all the other work I've done, 4083 03:51:55,034 --> 03:51:58,675 it's always, you know, Kristen from "Nightmare on Elm Street." 4084 03:51:58,738 --> 03:51:59,682 You were the guy. 4085 03:51:59,739 --> 03:52:01,878 Wow, I was so scared. 4086 03:52:01,941 --> 03:52:06,356 That, to me, is, "Wow, it really meant that much?" 4087 03:52:06,412 --> 03:52:14,957 It's incredible how these films have impacted people who are fans of horror films. 4088 03:52:15,021 --> 03:52:18,093 Horror fans are really hardcore and they're loyal. 4089 03:52:18,157 --> 03:52:21,331 So, that for me is the greatest part of all of it. 4090 03:52:21,394 --> 03:52:24,807 They're just the most rabid, you know, and they want to know everything. 4091 03:52:24,864 --> 03:52:28,334 And, I'm like, (whispering) "I don't know. I didn't Write it, I just got killed in it." 4092 03:52:28,401 --> 03:52:31,143 lam very proud to be a part of something that became 4093 03:52:31,203 --> 03:52:34,582 such an iconic film of its era and 4094 03:52:34,640 --> 03:52:38,110 I'm very proud to have been a pan of Wes' vision. 4095 03:52:38,177 --> 03:52:42,523 I thinkthis film has its place firmly planted in film history. 4096 03:52:42,581 --> 03:52:45,289 I'm proud to be a part of what I think is 4097 03:52:45,351 --> 03:52:49,925 probably the best horror film series ever done. 4098 03:52:49,989 --> 03:52:53,562 I learned to believe in imagination in films. 4099 03:52:53,626 --> 03:52:57,369 I learned that there's a way to do it. It's such a brilliant, elastic media. 4100 03:52:57,430 --> 03:53:03,005 Now I've done it and I began to love it, you know, I became a fan now. 4101 03:53:03,069 --> 03:53:07,017 The best thing that ever happened to me was "Nightmare on Elm Street." 4102 03:53:07,073 --> 03:53:11,453 It changed my life. It made my career and pulled me out of poverty 4103 03:53:11,510 --> 03:53:16,459 and paved the way for a career that has lasted now over twenty years. 4104 03:53:16,515 --> 03:53:22,591 If New Line is the house that Freddy built, my career is the career that Freddy certainly launched and built at some level. 4105 03:53:22,655 --> 03:53:27,968 And so, what can I say? I love that crispy, burnt motherfucker. I love him. 4106 03:53:28,027 --> 03:53:32,203 Freddy will always be Robert Englund to me and 4107 03:53:32,264 --> 03:53:33,971 he just created this persona. 4108 03:53:34,033 --> 03:53:37,503 I think if you got the wrong guy under that makeup it wouldn't have worked at all. 4109 03:53:37,570 --> 03:53:39,880 Without Wes Craven and without Robert I don't think it would have been, 4110 03:53:39,939 --> 03:53:45,412 obviously, it wouldn't even have existed, but I think it's just a testament to their talent that that character became so big. 4111 03:53:45,478 --> 03:53:53,761 We only get so many great, classic stones. That's what separates us fiom the animals, are the stories we tell. 4112 03:53:53,819 --> 03:53:56,925 And "ANightmare on Elm Street" by Wes Craven is just a great goddamn story. 4113 03:53:56,989 --> 03:53:58,969 I can overemphasize 4114 03:53:59,025 --> 03:54:02,598 how important Wes Craven is in my life. I think back, 4115 03:54:02,661 --> 03:54:05,938 you know, he's given me this role of a lifetime. 4116 03:54:05,998 --> 03:54:11,914 If I never work again, I can kind of die happy that I played a role that is so important in American cinema. 4117 03:54:11,971 --> 03:54:20,322 As Garrett Morris used to say, "Baseball has been berra, berra good to me "Freddy's been very, very good to me and Wes taught me 4118 03:54:20,379 --> 03:54:23,986 to respect the genre and I'm glad I listened. 4119 03:54:24,050 --> 03:54:31,730 What I say to the fans is thank you. And I say that to everybody Mo's participated 4120 03:54:31,791 --> 03:54:33,998 in making all the films. 4121 03:54:34,060 --> 03:54:37,041 There were better ones, there were not so good ones, but 4122 03:54:37,096 --> 03:54:39,736 they're all good in and of themselves and I know 4123 03:54:39,799 --> 03:54:43,645 everybody broke their back to do the best that they possibly could. 4124 03:54:43,702 --> 03:54:46,308 And so, it was a fantastic experience. 4125 03:54:46,372 --> 03:54:53,551 We were able to do what I always like to do, is to really entertain people. 4126 03:54:53,612 --> 03:55:01,622 When I die, it'll be, you know, in my obituary, I'll probably be best kn own for inventing Freddy Krueger. (laughing) 4127 03:55:01,687 --> 03:55:04,566 it will be something like that that will summarize my entire career. 4128 03:55:04,657 --> 03:55:08,605 And I think for Robert it will be, it's the man who played Freddy Krueger. 4129 03:55:08,794 --> 03:55:15,302 You know, no matter what else you do in life, it's just one of those things that a film has it's way with you. (laughing) 4130 03:55:17,837 --> 03:55:22,837 And now a reading from "Freddy vs. Jason," as the part of Bobby played by Zach Ward 4131 03:55:23,876 --> 03:55:26,152 And scene commences. 4132 03:55:26,612 --> 03:55:31,960 "Oh, that's right! Everyone forgot. That's why they weren't afraid anymore." 4133 03:55:32,017 --> 03:55:37,558 "Let's kick this motherfuckers ass all over dreamland. Hey Freddy! Where you at, you bumt faced pussy!" 4134 03:55:37,623 --> 03:55:41,196 "I guess I better go gnash my teeth for the paparazzi." 4135 03:55:41,260 --> 03:55:43,968 "Hello, baby!" 4136 03:55:44,029 --> 03:55:48,978 "How much longer will you go on blaming your dreams for your own weaknesses?" 4137 03:55:49,034 --> 03:55:51,344 Hesse! Jesse?' 4138 03:55:51,403 --> 03:55:52,313 "Hello, dirtballs." 4139 03:55:52,638 --> 03:55:54,515 "You'll need a hallpass." 4140 03:55:54,573 --> 03:55:56,075 "Screw your pass!" 4141 03:55:56,342 --> 03:55:59,050 "Miss Langenkamp. Miss Langenkamp!" 4142 03:55:59,378 --> 03:56:04,885 "I am the wizard master! I am the wizard master!" 4143 03:56:04,950 --> 03:56:07,362 "Free me, you idiot, I'm your fucking memory!" 4144 03:56:07,586 --> 03:56:09,896 "Hey, up yours with a twirling lawn mower!" 4145 03:56:10,122 --> 03:56:14,935 "There's four letters in my name, Rod. How can there be room on yourjoint for four letters?" 4146 03:56:14,994 --> 03:56:20,967 "Hey, yo, needle dick. I bet you're the only male in this school suffering from penis envy." 4147 03:56:21,033 --> 03:56:23,377 "Faster than a bastard maniac!" 4148 03:56:23,435 --> 03:56:26,678 "'l'lme to die, scarf ace limp dick!" 4149 03:56:26,739 --> 03:56:30,186 "It's super Freddy!" (laughing maniacally) 4150 03:56:30,242 --> 03:56:36,158 "Come back to me, Jesse. I love you, come back to me!" 4151 03:56:36,215 --> 03:56:38,525 "I'm right here." "Oh." (screaming) 4152 03:56:38,817 --> 03:56:45,757 "Are you ready for it, boy? You been a waste since the day I took you in. Now it's time to take your medicine." 4153 03:56:45,824 --> 03:56:49,465 "Thank you, sir. May I have another?" 4154 03:56:49,528 --> 03:56:54,102 "Jesse, it's okay, it's all over." 4155 03:56:54,166 --> 03:56:58,205 "Just step away from her, son, just like your ass depended upon it." 4156 03:56:58,337 --> 03:57:01,716 "Oh great, now it's my dick that's killing me." 4157 03:57:01,874 --> 03:57:07,017 "You know, you're one major league hunk." 4158 03:57:07,079 --> 03:57:08,956 "Yes, I am one major league hunk." 4159 03:57:09,081 --> 03:57:10,185 "Hi, handsome." 4160 03:57:10,249 --> 03:57:10,283 THU' 4161 03:57:10,416 --> 03:57:11,827 "Andale." 4162 03:57:11,884 --> 03:57:16,094 "No, mother, you just murdered me. Take that to your goddamn therapy." 4163 03:57:16,222 --> 03:57:18,668 "Somebody please wake me up!" 4164 03:57:18,824 --> 03:57:20,497 "Look for me in the tower." 4165 03:57:20,593 --> 03:57:23,096 "School's out, Krueger." 4166 03:57:23,162 --> 03:57:28,805 "Stay with me, Heather." (squirting sound) That's the blood coming out of my eye. (laughing) 4167 03:57:28,867 --> 03:57:30,437 "What the fuck are you doing in my room, dude?" 4168 03:57:30,536 --> 03:57:33,312 "Welcome to my world, bitch!" 4169 03:57:33,472 --> 03:57:35,816 "Gin, you better put a lock on that window." 4170 03:57:35,941 --> 03:57:39,912 "In my dreams I'm beautiful and bad." 4171 03:57:40,045 --> 03:57:41,718 "Rex!" (screaming) 4172 03:57:41,847 --> 03:57:43,383 "The deadly dinosaur?" 4173 03:57:43,515 --> 03:57:48,328 "Goddamn it, Kristen, you ruin everything! Every time I bring a man home, you spoil it!" 4174 03:57:48,387 --> 03:57:49,832 "The map says we're fucked!" 4175 03:57:49,955 --> 03:57:55,337 "It's a goddamn cherry bomb! Jesus, Jesse! What the fuck!" 4176 03:57:55,394 --> 03:57:59,467 "I have a feeling we've done this before." 4177 03:57:59,531 --> 03:58:05,880 "Cut the evil out of him." "N000000000000oooooooooooooooooczfl!!!!" 4178 03:58:11,176 --> 03:58:11,984 "Freddy's dead." 4179 03:58:12,111 --> 03:58:17,993 "When that time comes, you're going to have to make a choice whether you're willing to play Nancy one last time." 4180 03:58:18,117 --> 03:58:24,329 "Whatever you do, don't fall asleep." 405465

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