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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,003 --> 00:00:06,590 [upbeat music playing] 2 00:00:14,557 --> 00:00:17,768 [Jim] Wine is so deeply fascinating. 3 00:00:18,477 --> 00:00:21,397 I love that every bottle of wine is a piece of art 4 00:00:21,439 --> 00:00:22,732 made by an artist 5 00:00:22,773 --> 00:00:24,775 who had to count on the weather. 6 00:00:26,610 --> 00:00:28,529 As much as we might revere a painter 7 00:00:28,571 --> 00:00:30,364 like Caravaggio, for example, 8 00:00:30,406 --> 00:00:32,908 his work is famously hard to drink. 9 00:00:33,451 --> 00:00:37,455 When done, right, wine is also a giving art. 10 00:00:37,496 --> 00:00:40,583 It's an industry where the most learned people 11 00:00:40,624 --> 00:00:44,962 assist folks like me who know almost nothing. 12 00:00:45,004 --> 00:00:47,047 [chuckles] Though, why would anybody devote their lives 13 00:00:47,089 --> 00:00:48,466 to something like that, it's amazing. 14 00:00:49,175 --> 00:00:52,052 So I made a documentary about it, as anyone would. 15 00:00:52,928 --> 00:00:54,847 I made this title sequence in my garage. 16 00:00:54,889 --> 00:00:59,935 ♪ 17 00:01:53,322 --> 00:01:56,366 Okay. First question, why grapes? 18 00:01:57,033 --> 00:01:58,744 Because they're the best. 19 00:01:59,495 --> 00:02:02,081 You can make wine out of tons of other stuff. 20 00:02:02,122 --> 00:02:05,626 It's just that thanks to sugar content and acidity, 21 00:02:05,668 --> 00:02:08,294 no other fruit can match grapes. 22 00:02:08,336 --> 00:02:11,257 So all of those things mean that you know, if-- 23 00:02:11,298 --> 00:02:13,843 if you went to the engineers at MIT 24 00:02:13,884 --> 00:02:15,719 and said, "We want you to design a fruit 25 00:02:15,761 --> 00:02:17,555 that would be perfect for making wine," 26 00:02:17,596 --> 00:02:19,515 they would come up with a grape. 27 00:02:19,557 --> 00:02:22,268 Grapes are so good for fermentation 28 00:02:22,309 --> 00:02:24,270 that they do most of the work themselves, 29 00:02:24,311 --> 00:02:26,730 which is probably how early people figured out 30 00:02:26,772 --> 00:02:29,066 how to make what we now call wine. 31 00:02:29,525 --> 00:02:31,652 Now, this moment happened long ago, 32 00:02:31,694 --> 00:02:33,445 so long before writing 33 00:02:33,487 --> 00:02:35,573 and we don't know exactly when or where. 34 00:02:35,614 --> 00:02:37,825 But the earliest evidence suggests 35 00:02:37,867 --> 00:02:40,369 that wine was being made as long ago 36 00:02:40,411 --> 00:02:42,913 as 6000 BCE, 37 00:02:42,954 --> 00:02:45,416 in what is now the country of Georgia. 38 00:02:45,958 --> 00:02:49,628 They might only have intended to keep grape juice from spoiling. 39 00:02:49,670 --> 00:02:53,132 But by keeping fermented grape juice away from oxygen, 40 00:02:53,173 --> 00:02:55,384 they made wine which is drinkable 41 00:02:55,426 --> 00:02:58,804 rather than vinegar, which is less so. 42 00:02:58,846 --> 00:03:02,558 The most iconic feature of the Georgian winemaking process 43 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,852 is, well, it's the wine, 44 00:03:04,894 --> 00:03:08,314 but the second most iconic is the kvevri. 45 00:03:08,898 --> 00:03:13,944 ♪ 46 00:03:22,244 --> 00:03:25,331 [Jim] The kvevri is a magnificent piece of pottery 47 00:03:25,372 --> 00:03:27,041 made for fermenting wine. 48 00:03:27,625 --> 00:03:30,753 Like people, each has their own character. 49 00:03:31,420 --> 00:03:34,340 To make wine in a kvevri, you just pick your grapes, 50 00:03:34,381 --> 00:03:36,966 smash them a bit, and then plop the whole affair, 51 00:03:37,009 --> 00:03:41,263 pips and all into the kvevri and seal it up for six months. 52 00:03:41,305 --> 00:03:43,015 That's old school. 53 00:03:43,057 --> 00:03:46,185 That's, like, a Republic of Georgia style of making wine 54 00:03:46,226 --> 00:03:48,520 which they still use to this day. 55 00:03:48,562 --> 00:03:50,356 But it helps control temperature 56 00:03:50,397 --> 00:03:51,774 when you have something underground, it can be covered. 57 00:03:53,275 --> 00:03:57,237 But you see the clay pots used above and underground now. 58 00:03:57,279 --> 00:03:58,656 There's a story about 59 00:03:58,697 --> 00:04:01,700 how people will sit 60 00:04:01,742 --> 00:04:05,496 and sit with their kvevris underground 61 00:04:05,537 --> 00:04:07,539 and listen to the-- listen to the wine 62 00:04:07,581 --> 00:04:09,750 and the wine is gonna tell you when it's ready to be consumed. 63 00:04:10,459 --> 00:04:13,253 And then it goes around from person to person 64 00:04:13,295 --> 00:04:16,673 whoever's making that wine, "Let me fill my jug up." 65 00:04:16,714 --> 00:04:18,425 You know, it's-- 66 00:04:18,466 --> 00:04:20,594 it's like a communal thing too, which is cool. 67 00:04:20,636 --> 00:04:22,388 You gotta-- you gotta understand 68 00:04:22,429 --> 00:04:26,475 that wine's history is as-- as-- 69 00:04:26,517 --> 00:04:29,228 pretty much as-- as-- it's 8000 years old. 70 00:04:29,269 --> 00:04:31,689 I mean, that's, 6000 BC, 71 00:04:31,730 --> 00:04:34,775 we've been making wines as humans. 72 00:04:34,817 --> 00:04:37,111 [Jim] Okay, but what did it taste like? 73 00:04:37,653 --> 00:04:39,446 Yeah, I think the answer to that question is, 74 00:04:39,488 --> 00:04:40,948 well, terrible is one thing, 75 00:04:40,990 --> 00:04:43,325 but I think it probably was concentrated 76 00:04:43,367 --> 00:04:44,659 and it wasn't filtered or fined. 77 00:04:44,702 --> 00:04:47,454 So it was probably pretty chunky, 78 00:04:47,496 --> 00:04:49,707 you know, and I'm sure it was dense. 79 00:04:49,748 --> 00:04:52,668 And that's why I think it's interesting with all-- 80 00:04:52,710 --> 00:04:54,712 with-- with winemaking techniques 81 00:04:54,753 --> 00:04:57,006 that have been adapted throughout time. 82 00:04:58,173 --> 00:05:00,968 Having bubbles remain in it, you know, for sparkling wine, 83 00:05:01,010 --> 00:05:03,554 probably made shitty wine taste better 84 00:05:03,595 --> 00:05:05,305 because it's got bubbles in it, you know. 85 00:05:05,347 --> 00:05:06,682 [people cheering] 86 00:05:06,724 --> 00:05:08,892 A lot of mistakes happening, probably. 87 00:05:08,934 --> 00:05:10,769 The situation of-- of finding fruit 88 00:05:10,811 --> 00:05:13,480 and putting it somewhere and forgetting about it. 89 00:05:13,522 --> 00:05:15,149 There's always-- there's been trial and error, 90 00:05:15,190 --> 00:05:17,860 I guess without-- within the history of the world. 91 00:05:17,901 --> 00:05:21,238 And so someone took the trial and they drank it. 92 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:24,616 Though we can only guess what early wine tasted like, 93 00:05:24,658 --> 00:05:27,036 signs do point to gross. 94 00:05:27,077 --> 00:05:28,787 I don't think anybody would dispute that. 95 00:05:28,829 --> 00:05:30,539 I think you're selling wine short. 96 00:05:31,790 --> 00:05:33,459 Well, at least we can agree 97 00:05:33,500 --> 00:05:37,212 that Neolithic people did not have a strong grasp 98 00:05:37,254 --> 00:05:39,381 of the spread of contaminants, 99 00:05:39,423 --> 00:05:41,467 unlike modern people, who... 100 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,636 No, never mind. Let's go to Egypt. 101 00:05:44,678 --> 00:05:46,889 [mysterious music playing] 102 00:05:52,394 --> 00:05:57,066 Grape growing hit Egypt in about 3000 BCE 103 00:05:57,107 --> 00:05:59,359 and the Egyptians immediately decided 104 00:05:59,401 --> 00:06:02,613 that wine was something they should be buried with, 105 00:06:02,654 --> 00:06:06,033 which is just about the worst excuse I ever heard 106 00:06:06,075 --> 00:06:08,410 for not opening the last bottle in the house. 107 00:06:09,119 --> 00:06:10,287 To friendship. 108 00:06:10,329 --> 00:06:12,081 [all] To friendship. 109 00:06:12,122 --> 00:06:14,208 -Cheers. -Oh. 110 00:06:15,876 --> 00:06:18,378 -[man] Oh, that's delightful. -[woman] It is. 111 00:06:18,420 --> 00:06:20,005 -[man] Fantastic notes. -I think you're right. 112 00:06:20,047 --> 00:06:22,257 It's hard to count how quickly one bottle goes 113 00:06:22,299 --> 00:06:24,468 -when you've got five. -I know. 114 00:06:24,510 --> 00:06:27,930 Yes, yes, uh, but the memories will last forever. 115 00:06:27,971 --> 00:06:29,389 Yeah. 116 00:06:29,431 --> 00:06:30,766 Well, I thought you'd be more generous 117 00:06:30,808 --> 00:06:32,601 than a three-ounce pour, but, you know. 118 00:06:32,643 --> 00:06:34,228 [all chuckle] 119 00:06:34,269 --> 00:06:35,854 I mean, like, you know, 120 00:06:35,896 --> 00:06:37,189 we've been drinking her out of house and home. 121 00:06:37,231 --> 00:06:38,690 We don't want to be poor guests, 122 00:06:38,732 --> 00:06:40,275 but she gave us every bottle 123 00:06:40,317 --> 00:06:41,902 except that one over there. 124 00:06:41,944 --> 00:06:43,445 -Oh, I see it. -Yeah. 125 00:06:43,487 --> 00:06:45,114 I mean, I could have another, no lie. 126 00:06:45,155 --> 00:06:46,824 -I mean, I could. -I mean, I could drink 127 00:06:46,865 --> 00:06:48,700 -unlimited wine. -Yeah. 128 00:06:48,742 --> 00:06:51,995 That-- that wine, it's-- it's terrible. 129 00:06:52,037 --> 00:06:54,123 We should totally crack that open, like, right now. 130 00:06:54,164 --> 00:06:56,750 No, no, I think we should leave that alone. 131 00:06:56,792 --> 00:06:59,586 It looks just perfect where it is 132 00:06:59,628 --> 00:07:01,547 right next to my golf clubs 133 00:07:01,588 --> 00:07:03,715 and a picture of me in the first grade. 134 00:07:03,757 --> 00:07:05,509 Well, I mean, like, it looks a little lonely 135 00:07:05,551 --> 00:07:07,594 on your wine rack when there's no other bottles there. 136 00:07:07,636 --> 00:07:09,096 Just a little, you know. 137 00:07:09,138 --> 00:07:10,389 I think it will look better in my glass. 138 00:07:10,430 --> 00:07:12,141 [all chuckle] Yeah. 139 00:07:12,182 --> 00:07:14,351 -We're leaving it there. -Oh. 140 00:07:14,393 --> 00:07:15,936 -Oh. -Okay. 141 00:07:17,771 --> 00:07:19,481 Well, my glass looks a little empty. 142 00:07:19,523 --> 00:07:20,816 Last sip. 143 00:07:20,858 --> 00:07:22,526 I took all of mine already, so... 144 00:07:23,277 --> 00:07:26,238 Listen, what's the big deal about that bottle of wine, like? 145 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,282 -Exactly, what's the big deal? -What's the big deal? 146 00:07:28,323 --> 00:07:29,825 What is the big deal? 147 00:07:29,867 --> 00:07:31,410 Come on, Jess, what's the deal with the bottle? 148 00:07:31,451 --> 00:07:32,828 -What's the deal? -What is it? 149 00:07:32,870 --> 00:07:34,746 -Tell us. -I-- 150 00:07:36,915 --> 00:07:39,334 I can't have that wine until I'm dead. 151 00:07:39,376 --> 00:07:40,961 Couldn't we just replace it? 152 00:07:41,003 --> 00:07:42,462 No, no, no, 153 00:07:42,504 --> 00:07:45,799 I bought that one for my death. 154 00:07:46,717 --> 00:07:49,636 [Jim] Around the same time, 3000 BCE, 155 00:07:49,678 --> 00:07:52,639 vines were being cultivated in Greece as well. 156 00:07:52,681 --> 00:07:55,100 Though, wine didn't really hit it big there 157 00:07:55,142 --> 00:07:57,227 until 1000 BCE. 158 00:07:57,936 --> 00:08:00,063 That happened because of the advent 159 00:08:00,105 --> 00:08:02,441 of something called a city. 160 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,444 I think when I think of Greeks, that's what I think of. 161 00:08:05,485 --> 00:08:08,447 It's like this, like, what's painted on the vases, 162 00:08:08,488 --> 00:08:10,824 you know, people laying around with-- being fed grapes 163 00:08:10,866 --> 00:08:13,118 and jugs and cherubs carrying them around. 164 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,245 You know, that's what I think of when I think of the Greeks. 165 00:08:15,287 --> 00:08:17,080 Much like today, 166 00:08:17,122 --> 00:08:18,999 early urbanites discovered that their lives were too busy 167 00:08:19,041 --> 00:08:21,084 to allow them to ferment their own wine. 168 00:08:21,126 --> 00:08:23,045 So they bought it from vintners 169 00:08:23,086 --> 00:08:24,588 and it soon became popular 170 00:08:24,630 --> 00:08:27,341 with all strata of Grecian society, 171 00:08:27,382 --> 00:08:30,552 including and most importantly, sailors 172 00:08:30,594 --> 00:08:34,014 who took it with them all over the Mediterranean and beyond. 173 00:08:34,556 --> 00:08:37,392 Now, while the Greeks caught on a little bit earlier 174 00:08:37,433 --> 00:08:41,104 in terms of spreading wine, we have the Romans to thank. 175 00:08:41,145 --> 00:08:43,273 The Romans were to wine 176 00:08:43,315 --> 00:08:45,859 what we Americans are to cargo shorts. 177 00:08:47,236 --> 00:08:49,655 Like the Greeks, the Romans viewed wine 178 00:08:49,696 --> 00:08:53,367 as being for everyone from all strata of society, 179 00:08:53,408 --> 00:08:56,703 from the lowest of the low to Caesar Augustus himself. 180 00:08:57,412 --> 00:08:59,706 Water at the time was often disgusting, 181 00:08:59,748 --> 00:09:02,918 but mixing a little wine in made it slightly more palatable 182 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:04,878 and killed off a few nasty things 183 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:06,546 living in the water as well. 184 00:09:07,547 --> 00:09:09,049 You can just imagine 185 00:09:09,091 --> 00:09:12,219 what city water was like in 1000 BCE. 186 00:09:12,261 --> 00:09:15,013 That's over 2500 years before this, 187 00:09:15,055 --> 00:09:16,640 the Trevi Fountain. 188 00:09:17,099 --> 00:09:20,185 In early Rome, your best bet for drinkable water was wine. 189 00:09:21,228 --> 00:09:23,563 As a result, the Romans took wine with them 190 00:09:23,605 --> 00:09:25,274 everywhere they went, 191 00:09:25,315 --> 00:09:27,234 they planted vineyards all over the place. 192 00:09:27,276 --> 00:09:29,236 And many of those original Roman vineyards 193 00:09:29,278 --> 00:09:31,113 still produce wine to this day. 194 00:09:34,324 --> 00:09:37,119 The only reason we know about a lot of this stuff 195 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,913 is due to the efforts of Pliny the Elder, 196 00:09:39,955 --> 00:09:42,124 a Roman military commander. 197 00:09:42,165 --> 00:09:45,669 Pliny spent his days working faithfully for the empire. 198 00:09:45,711 --> 00:09:47,671 But every minute he had to himself, 199 00:09:47,713 --> 00:09:50,257 he was either studying or writing. 200 00:09:50,841 --> 00:09:53,719 It is said that Pliny ignored his need for sleep 201 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,887 because that time could be used for writing. 202 00:09:55,929 --> 00:09:57,431 [trumpet sounding] 203 00:09:57,472 --> 00:09:59,683 He hated walking because he couldn't walk 204 00:09:59,725 --> 00:10:03,103 and write at the same time and that he only made love 205 00:10:03,145 --> 00:10:05,272 if his partner agreed to be scrawled on 206 00:10:05,314 --> 00:10:06,481 like a piece of parchment. 207 00:10:07,607 --> 00:10:09,192 Granted, I made that last part up. 208 00:10:09,234 --> 00:10:10,902 But since I wrote it, 209 00:10:10,944 --> 00:10:13,322 I think Pliny might have begrudgingly approved. 210 00:10:15,699 --> 00:10:17,743 Pliny wrote a lot. 211 00:10:18,201 --> 00:10:20,537 But his only work to survive through the ages 212 00:10:20,579 --> 00:10:22,331 is his natural history 213 00:10:22,372 --> 00:10:24,291 in which he attempted to describe 214 00:10:24,333 --> 00:10:26,335 the entire natural world. 215 00:10:26,835 --> 00:10:30,922 Though he was not the world's most assiduous fact-checker, 216 00:10:30,964 --> 00:10:32,758 I think we can forgive him 217 00:10:32,799 --> 00:10:34,926 given that it's tough to cross-reference sources 218 00:10:34,968 --> 00:10:37,721 when only one person has ever written about something. 219 00:10:37,763 --> 00:10:40,474 Regardless, Pliny had a lot to say about wines. 220 00:10:40,974 --> 00:10:42,809 Good wines, bad wines. 221 00:10:42,851 --> 00:10:44,269 Wine play. 222 00:10:44,811 --> 00:10:48,398 Wine thoughts with Pliny the Elder. 223 00:10:49,983 --> 00:10:52,819 "It is the property of wine, when drunk, 224 00:10:52,861 --> 00:10:54,905 to cause a feeling of warmth 225 00:10:54,946 --> 00:10:57,366 in the interior of the viscera, 226 00:10:57,407 --> 00:11:00,327 and when poured upon the exterior of the body 227 00:11:00,369 --> 00:11:02,746 to be cool and refreshing." 228 00:11:06,083 --> 00:11:08,543 Pliny also wrote about Falernian wine, 229 00:11:08,585 --> 00:11:11,713 which was a wine supposedly so strong that it was flammable, 230 00:11:11,755 --> 00:11:14,091 meaning it would have been more than three times 231 00:11:14,132 --> 00:11:15,884 as alcoholic as today's wine. 232 00:11:16,593 --> 00:11:19,721 The Romans were absolutely bonkers for Falernian wine. 233 00:11:20,847 --> 00:11:24,184 As the legend goes, a humble farmer, Falernus, 234 00:11:24,226 --> 00:11:25,852 had a meet-cute 235 00:11:25,894 --> 00:11:28,105 with the Roman God of viticulture, Liber. 236 00:11:28,146 --> 00:11:30,440 The result was Falernian wine. 237 00:11:31,191 --> 00:11:33,318 Now we'll probably never know what it tasted like, 238 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,280 but we can enjoy it as a great early example of overhype. 239 00:11:37,781 --> 00:11:39,408 Some people loved Falernian wine, 240 00:11:39,449 --> 00:11:41,076 -or at least claimed to. -[demon] Yes! 241 00:11:41,118 --> 00:11:42,577 [Jim] Some people said it wasn't everything 242 00:11:42,619 --> 00:11:45,205 -it was built up to be. -[man spitting] 243 00:11:45,247 --> 00:11:47,833 Pliny was an expert on Falernian wine 244 00:11:47,874 --> 00:11:49,501 and was able to taste, 245 00:11:49,543 --> 00:11:51,586 whether he said so out loud or not 246 00:11:51,628 --> 00:11:54,548 when his friends served him fake Falernian. 247 00:11:54,589 --> 00:11:56,049 [glass shattering] 248 00:11:56,091 --> 00:11:58,051 A century later, the physician Galen 249 00:11:58,093 --> 00:12:00,303 would doubt that all the Falernian wine 250 00:12:00,345 --> 00:12:03,306 could possibly be real just based on quantity. 251 00:12:04,307 --> 00:12:08,353 Real or fake, Falernian wine later dwindled and disappeared. 252 00:12:08,937 --> 00:12:11,106 But I think it's a great example to keep in mind 253 00:12:11,148 --> 00:12:13,442 because it's a story about human beings 254 00:12:13,483 --> 00:12:15,152 focusing on the aspects of something 255 00:12:15,193 --> 00:12:16,403 that don't matter that much. 256 00:12:17,279 --> 00:12:19,197 Lots of people today buy things 257 00:12:19,239 --> 00:12:21,366 because of the brand name without really knowing why. 258 00:12:21,408 --> 00:12:23,285 I would love to be able to afford to do that 259 00:12:23,326 --> 00:12:25,412 because I want people to think I'm cool. 260 00:12:25,454 --> 00:12:28,540 But what really matters is being more like Pliny the Elder. 261 00:12:28,582 --> 00:12:31,293 Writing more, pouring wine on yourself, 262 00:12:31,334 --> 00:12:33,587 and maybe writing on people if they're okay with it. 263 00:12:34,546 --> 00:12:38,216 How do we get from early wine to the point where, you know, 264 00:12:38,258 --> 00:12:40,635 a little bit later on Romans were dictating that 265 00:12:40,677 --> 00:12:42,220 if you come across a south-facing slope, 266 00:12:42,262 --> 00:12:43,638 you need to plant some grapes? 267 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:45,348 Okay. Yeah. 268 00:12:45,390 --> 00:12:47,225 I like-- I like the fact that you ask questions 269 00:12:47,267 --> 00:12:50,520 -with three-hour answers. -I apologize. [chuckles] 270 00:12:50,562 --> 00:12:52,689 Um, so first of all, wine and health. 271 00:12:52,731 --> 00:12:54,107 Um, and by the way, 272 00:12:54,149 --> 00:12:57,527 current research basically says 273 00:12:57,569 --> 00:13:01,698 that wine probably isn't good for you. 274 00:13:01,740 --> 00:13:03,575 It does some things that are good for you, 275 00:13:03,617 --> 00:13:07,954 but the risk of liver damage and/or alcoholism 276 00:13:07,996 --> 00:13:09,789 outweigh those to the point 277 00:13:09,831 --> 00:13:11,333 where if you were to take someone and just say, 278 00:13:11,374 --> 00:13:13,919 on a pure-- pure health basis, 279 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,546 should you start drinking wine at age 30? 280 00:13:16,588 --> 00:13:19,466 I think most doctors at this point would say, "Probably not." 281 00:13:20,383 --> 00:13:23,136 That said, in the ancient world, 282 00:13:23,178 --> 00:13:25,931 the old rule was that water would kill you. 283 00:13:26,681 --> 00:13:30,435 Um, and you know, one of the questions I ask my students 284 00:13:30,477 --> 00:13:34,105 is you've got all the microclimates 285 00:13:34,147 --> 00:13:36,316 and soil types in the world in Asia, 286 00:13:36,358 --> 00:13:39,152 why didn't they ever develop a big wine industry? 287 00:13:39,945 --> 00:13:41,738 And the answer is they drank tea. 288 00:13:43,406 --> 00:13:45,909 And the first step in drinking tea 289 00:13:45,951 --> 00:13:47,786 is boiling the water. 290 00:13:47,827 --> 00:13:50,789 In Europe, we didn't do that so much. 291 00:13:50,830 --> 00:13:52,707 We made beer that way, 292 00:13:52,749 --> 00:13:55,752 which is why beer has always been considered a healthy drink. 293 00:13:55,794 --> 00:13:57,587 So, going back to that 294 00:13:57,629 --> 00:14:00,674 ancient, um, medical advice, 295 00:14:00,715 --> 00:14:02,676 first, do no harm. 296 00:14:02,717 --> 00:14:05,804 At the very least if you're giving people soup or wine, 297 00:14:05,845 --> 00:14:08,557 you're not introducing new pathogens to them, 298 00:14:08,598 --> 00:14:09,933 you're not making them worse. 299 00:14:10,475 --> 00:14:12,102 At least before Louis Pasteur 300 00:14:12,143 --> 00:14:14,729 was a key part of-- of a healthy lifestyle. 301 00:14:14,771 --> 00:14:17,065 And I'm still gonna argue that a glass a day 302 00:14:17,107 --> 00:14:19,234 is probably not gonna do you much damage 303 00:14:19,276 --> 00:14:20,902 and may help you in a couple of ways. 304 00:14:21,945 --> 00:14:25,031 Though they were still producing wine in much the same way 305 00:14:25,073 --> 00:14:27,909 that the Georgians had 6000 years previous, 306 00:14:27,951 --> 00:14:30,579 the Romans invented something wholly new. 307 00:14:31,329 --> 00:14:32,497 The wine barrel. 308 00:14:33,164 --> 00:14:35,417 Or as kids today call it, a rolly boy. 309 00:14:37,127 --> 00:14:39,504 Well, as far as what we were talking about earlier 310 00:14:39,546 --> 00:14:42,215 with transportation, barrel is much easier to move 311 00:14:42,257 --> 00:14:44,509 than a pot that doesn't have a proper bottom, right? 312 00:14:44,551 --> 00:14:46,177 And that breaks really easily. 313 00:14:46,219 --> 00:14:49,055 It's heavier, but it's more, like, user-friendly. 314 00:14:49,097 --> 00:14:50,640 Barrel does a couple of things for wine. 315 00:14:50,682 --> 00:14:52,892 One, it-- it's a-- 316 00:14:52,934 --> 00:14:56,688 it's a vessel that allows for just enough oxygen transfer 317 00:14:56,730 --> 00:14:58,565 to age a wine within it. 318 00:14:58,607 --> 00:15:00,900 But also it doesn't make the wine oxidize. 319 00:15:00,942 --> 00:15:04,988 For me, first thing I think of is adding a flavor. 320 00:15:05,030 --> 00:15:09,200 Um, whether it be a heavy toast or-- 321 00:15:09,242 --> 00:15:11,077 or-- or cinnamon or vanilla. 322 00:15:11,620 --> 00:15:13,955 Um, it also is a vessel 323 00:15:13,997 --> 00:15:16,291 to help mellow your wine 324 00:15:16,333 --> 00:15:19,085 as well to soften the tannins 325 00:15:19,127 --> 00:15:21,004 that would come from the grape skins. 326 00:15:21,588 --> 00:15:23,548 They last, you can use them for a long time. 327 00:15:23,590 --> 00:15:25,967 So, like, it's an economical way of doing it too 328 00:15:26,009 --> 00:15:27,844 when you have neutral barrel 329 00:15:27,886 --> 00:15:29,387 because you can use it for years and years. 330 00:15:29,429 --> 00:15:30,972 I mean, there are people who have their-- 331 00:15:31,014 --> 00:15:33,516 their, you know, giant fermenting tanks 332 00:15:33,558 --> 00:15:35,226 that are made of wood that they've used since the, 333 00:15:35,268 --> 00:15:37,687 you know, 1750s that are still being used. 334 00:15:37,729 --> 00:15:40,398 That's crazy, right? That it's held up like that. 335 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,401 But I-- I think of aging first before travel 336 00:15:43,443 --> 00:15:46,237 because I-- I guess I live in a modern world where, 337 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:48,657 you know, you can put it in a tanker now. 338 00:15:48,698 --> 00:15:50,700 [chuckles] You can put your juice in a tanker 339 00:15:50,742 --> 00:15:51,951 and ship it somewhere else. 340 00:15:53,286 --> 00:15:55,997 [Jim] Wine had a fantastic few 100 years 341 00:15:56,039 --> 00:15:57,707 under the Roman Empire, 342 00:15:57,749 --> 00:15:59,584 but with Rome's fall, 343 00:15:59,626 --> 00:16:03,129 wine returned to being a primarily local endeavor. 344 00:16:03,713 --> 00:16:06,758 But for wine, this wasn't twilight, 345 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,843 merely a passing cloud. 346 00:16:10,804 --> 00:16:12,972 [classical violin music playing] 347 00:16:13,014 --> 00:16:16,726 Benedict of Nursia was born to Roman nobility, 348 00:16:16,768 --> 00:16:19,562 but when he was 14, he became disgusted with Rome 349 00:16:19,604 --> 00:16:22,190 and he left to found a monastery. 350 00:16:22,232 --> 00:16:24,025 Before he died, 351 00:16:24,067 --> 00:16:25,860 he wrote out a set of rules for monks to follow, 352 00:16:25,902 --> 00:16:29,489 including that each monk should be allowed one hemina 353 00:16:29,531 --> 00:16:31,783 or about 270 milliliters, 354 00:16:31,825 --> 00:16:34,494 or two stingy glasses per day. 355 00:16:35,161 --> 00:16:38,289 This helped further democratize wine in the medieval world. 356 00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:41,543 The only problem was it was still gross. 357 00:16:41,584 --> 00:16:43,169 [monk spitting] 358 00:16:43,211 --> 00:16:46,131 And worse, the medieval poor were faced 359 00:16:46,172 --> 00:16:49,759 with the prospect of drinking wine stored in animal hides, 360 00:16:49,801 --> 00:16:52,470 which would have imparted all manner of flavors, 361 00:16:52,512 --> 00:16:54,222 if not bacteria. 362 00:16:54,264 --> 00:16:56,850 Imagine wine that's been left outside for eight months 363 00:16:56,891 --> 00:16:58,768 and then decanted in a shoe. 364 00:16:59,644 --> 00:17:02,439 Then again, some people I trust don't seem to mind. 365 00:17:02,981 --> 00:17:06,067 You're talking about, like, a real wineskin. 366 00:17:06,108 --> 00:17:07,777 [Jim] It's just-- they cut it off the animal. 367 00:17:07,819 --> 00:17:09,279 -Yeah. -Tie the ends. 368 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:12,156 Let's do it, let's do it. I'm here for that. 369 00:17:12,781 --> 00:17:15,492 Whether in a shoe or not 370 00:17:15,535 --> 00:17:17,203 wine was ready 371 00:17:17,244 --> 00:17:18,829 and a big break came 372 00:17:18,872 --> 00:17:21,958 with the rise of the medieval middle class. 373 00:17:23,167 --> 00:17:25,795 The middle class were a new breed. 374 00:17:25,837 --> 00:17:27,297 [man grunts] 375 00:17:27,338 --> 00:17:28,965 They formed something called guilds 376 00:17:29,007 --> 00:17:31,801 which were a little bit like early corporations, 377 00:17:31,843 --> 00:17:34,471 including all the good and bad things 378 00:17:34,512 --> 00:17:36,306 about modern corporations. 379 00:17:37,265 --> 00:17:40,059 By joining a guild and displaying its crest, 380 00:17:40,101 --> 00:17:41,811 you showed potential customers 381 00:17:41,853 --> 00:17:43,938 that you weren't just any old idiot. 382 00:17:43,980 --> 00:17:45,565 You were a professional. 383 00:17:46,941 --> 00:17:50,195 Guilds also gave rise to a merchant class. 384 00:17:50,236 --> 00:17:53,615 They weren't poor and while they weren't nobility, 385 00:17:53,656 --> 00:17:56,951 they were definitely rich and they definitely wanted wine. 386 00:17:57,911 --> 00:17:59,662 At the same time, 387 00:17:59,704 --> 00:18:02,791 population and methods of transportation were growing, 388 00:18:02,832 --> 00:18:05,293 which had a similar effect on the feudal system 389 00:18:05,335 --> 00:18:07,545 that the internet, among other factors, 390 00:18:07,587 --> 00:18:10,757 had on locally owned retail stores. 391 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:13,760 The upshot of all this though for the wine trade 392 00:18:13,802 --> 00:18:17,180 was increased demand and easier transport 393 00:18:17,222 --> 00:18:19,098 which led to lots more business. 394 00:18:19,641 --> 00:18:21,935 But it also meant that regions had to compete 395 00:18:21,976 --> 00:18:24,312 on the basis of things like quality 396 00:18:24,354 --> 00:18:25,688 in addition to price. 397 00:18:26,147 --> 00:18:29,317 And because of that competition for the first time, 398 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,320 common people had a chance of sampling wine 399 00:18:32,362 --> 00:18:34,656 that did not taste like old shoe. 400 00:18:40,912 --> 00:18:42,539 Around this time, 401 00:18:42,580 --> 00:18:44,958 there was one city that had everything it needed 402 00:18:44,999 --> 00:18:47,418 to be a wine production powerhouse... 403 00:18:48,628 --> 00:18:50,713 except for a thriving market. 404 00:18:51,589 --> 00:18:54,884 And that city was in a duchy called Aquitaine. 405 00:18:56,761 --> 00:19:00,056 The big boss of Aquitaine was Duchess Eleanor, 406 00:19:00,098 --> 00:19:02,892 who was also married to Louis VIII of France. 407 00:19:02,934 --> 00:19:05,061 And thus, in addition to being a Duchess, 408 00:19:05,103 --> 00:19:06,938 she was Queen of France, 409 00:19:06,980 --> 00:19:09,649 but she got her marriage to Louis VIII annulled 410 00:19:09,691 --> 00:19:12,110 and married Henry Plantagenet instead. 411 00:19:13,069 --> 00:19:15,613 Henry went on to become King of England. 412 00:19:15,655 --> 00:19:17,991 Aquitaine became an English territory. 413 00:19:18,032 --> 00:19:21,786 And all of a sudden our hero city got itself a huge, 414 00:19:21,828 --> 00:19:24,831 new English market for its wine. 415 00:19:25,665 --> 00:19:27,792 But Eleanor's ex-husband, Louis VIII, 416 00:19:27,834 --> 00:19:30,837 still King of France, invaded Aquitaine 417 00:19:30,879 --> 00:19:33,590 intending to fight every last person there 418 00:19:33,631 --> 00:19:34,757 into the sea. 419 00:19:35,842 --> 00:19:38,636 Louis was thwarted when our heroic city 420 00:19:38,678 --> 00:19:41,055 stopped the assault of the French. 421 00:19:41,556 --> 00:19:44,434 The English royalty were understandably thrilled. 422 00:19:44,893 --> 00:19:46,895 As a result, our city became 423 00:19:46,936 --> 00:19:50,231 the go-to wine city for England and the world. 424 00:19:50,940 --> 00:19:52,775 What was that city that stood strong 425 00:19:52,817 --> 00:19:54,819 against the invading French bast-- 426 00:19:54,861 --> 00:19:56,446 It was Bordeaux. 427 00:19:56,487 --> 00:19:58,031 Which is in France. 428 00:19:58,573 --> 00:20:00,325 Because of the Hundred Years' War, 429 00:20:00,366 --> 00:20:02,785 which was fought for over 115 years. 430 00:20:02,827 --> 00:20:04,913 But-- but-- but this-- never mind. 431 00:20:04,954 --> 00:20:06,873 Look, around the same time, 432 00:20:06,915 --> 00:20:10,168 just a few 100 miles away, near the city of Dijon 433 00:20:10,209 --> 00:20:13,129 lived an extremely devout group of monks 434 00:20:13,171 --> 00:20:15,381 known as the Cistercians. 435 00:20:15,423 --> 00:20:18,051 [religious music playing] 436 00:20:24,307 --> 00:20:26,476 [Jim] Though they lived by the same rules 437 00:20:26,517 --> 00:20:29,520 set forth by Saint Benedict, whom we mentioned previously, 438 00:20:29,562 --> 00:20:32,106 the Cistercians positively laughed 439 00:20:32,148 --> 00:20:34,525 at their Benedictine contemporaries. 440 00:20:34,567 --> 00:20:38,112 Those Benedictines with their sinful indulgences, 441 00:20:38,154 --> 00:20:39,864 like eating and talking. 442 00:20:39,906 --> 00:20:42,200 -Ha, savages. -Oh? 443 00:20:42,241 --> 00:20:44,953 [Jim] Except the Cistercians much more closely observed 444 00:20:44,994 --> 00:20:46,871 a vow of silence than the Benedictines. 445 00:20:46,913 --> 00:20:49,374 So they probably only laughed on the inside. 446 00:20:50,041 --> 00:20:52,377 After the fall of the Roman Empire, 447 00:20:52,418 --> 00:20:56,047 really the only group of people in Europe 448 00:20:56,089 --> 00:21:00,009 who were organized, economically viable, 449 00:21:00,051 --> 00:21:01,219 and literate... 450 00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:04,013 was the church. 451 00:21:04,055 --> 00:21:05,223 They had a network that allowed them 452 00:21:05,264 --> 00:21:06,724 to travel all over Europe 453 00:21:06,766 --> 00:21:09,644 and stay safely in a church every night. 454 00:21:10,186 --> 00:21:11,771 Nobody else had that. 455 00:21:11,813 --> 00:21:13,940 In fact, if you were outside the walls 456 00:21:13,982 --> 00:21:16,401 of most medieval cities at night, 457 00:21:16,442 --> 00:21:18,695 you were beyond the law, 458 00:21:18,736 --> 00:21:21,572 which is how we came up with the term outlaw. 459 00:21:21,614 --> 00:21:24,617 So they were following the Roman recipes 460 00:21:24,659 --> 00:21:25,952 on how to make wine. 461 00:21:25,994 --> 00:21:28,371 Where this story gets complicated 462 00:21:28,413 --> 00:21:32,250 is the church started to sell indulgences. 463 00:21:32,291 --> 00:21:34,210 [Jim] So you could be a sinner. 464 00:21:34,252 --> 00:21:36,421 But if you gave a gift to the church, 465 00:21:36,462 --> 00:21:39,173 you could be absolved of some of your sins 466 00:21:39,215 --> 00:21:42,760 or at least reduce the amount of time you spent in purgatory 467 00:21:42,802 --> 00:21:44,512 before you went to heaven. 468 00:21:44,554 --> 00:21:46,222 This seemed like a pretty good idea 469 00:21:46,264 --> 00:21:47,807 to many wealthy people. 470 00:21:47,849 --> 00:21:50,226 But one of the things they would do 471 00:21:50,268 --> 00:21:53,438 is they would give vineyards to the church 472 00:21:53,479 --> 00:21:56,065 because A, vineyards were valuable. 473 00:21:56,107 --> 00:21:59,694 But B, the church always had the best winemaker in the region 474 00:21:59,736 --> 00:22:01,738 because he's read the books. 475 00:22:01,779 --> 00:22:04,741 Everybody else is making wine the way we used to make it. 476 00:22:04,782 --> 00:22:07,118 "I don't know, my grandpa used to do it this way," 477 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,454 but the church always had the books. 478 00:22:09,495 --> 00:22:12,457 And what it meant was they were getting vineyards 479 00:22:12,498 --> 00:22:14,542 in different parts of the region, 480 00:22:14,584 --> 00:22:17,462 often gifts in return for indulgences 481 00:22:17,503 --> 00:22:18,963 and then they were making the wines 482 00:22:19,005 --> 00:22:20,757 and as they made the wines, 483 00:22:20,798 --> 00:22:23,176 each wine was made exactly to the same recipe. 484 00:22:23,676 --> 00:22:25,219 And what they discovered is... 485 00:22:26,304 --> 00:22:29,724 Holy Moly, the wines taste different, 486 00:22:29,766 --> 00:22:31,476 that wine tastes different from this wine 487 00:22:31,517 --> 00:22:33,853 even though we made it exactly the same way. 488 00:22:33,895 --> 00:22:37,148 So that gave birth to this whole idea of terroir. 489 00:22:37,982 --> 00:22:40,026 [Jim] Terroir is a bit of a nebulous thing, 490 00:22:40,068 --> 00:22:42,278 which is probably why the term is so popular 491 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,197 because it's hard to misapply. 492 00:22:44,238 --> 00:22:45,907 But basically, it means the way 493 00:22:45,948 --> 00:22:48,534 that a wine represents its physical place. 494 00:22:48,576 --> 00:22:50,078 [upbeat music playing] 495 00:22:52,538 --> 00:22:54,540 You know, when you are feeling 496 00:22:54,582 --> 00:22:56,959 a little bit unsure of yourself 497 00:22:57,001 --> 00:22:59,712 and you wanna hide from the world. 498 00:22:59,754 --> 00:23:01,130 -That's foxy. -[buzzer buzzes] 499 00:23:01,172 --> 00:23:02,924 When you look across the bar 500 00:23:02,965 --> 00:23:04,842 and you see someone drinking wine... 501 00:23:05,384 --> 00:23:08,179 It's, like, squirrely where you're like, 502 00:23:08,221 --> 00:23:11,724 "Oh, I can't figure out how I feel about this person," 503 00:23:11,766 --> 00:23:13,851 but you're a little more sassy with it. 504 00:23:13,893 --> 00:23:16,229 And you're like, "If I drink enough wine, 505 00:23:16,270 --> 00:23:18,064 -that person will look better." -[buzzer buzzes] 506 00:23:18,106 --> 00:23:19,440 It's a little bit gamey. 507 00:23:19,482 --> 00:23:21,025 Some people like it. Some folks don't. 508 00:23:21,067 --> 00:23:22,777 -But they call it foxy. -[buzzer dings] 509 00:23:23,486 --> 00:23:27,824 You know, when you misspeak, uh, in a conversation 510 00:23:27,865 --> 00:23:29,659 and you know that everybody heard it 511 00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:31,536 but they're all acting like, "No-- 512 00:23:31,577 --> 00:23:34,413 no-- no, nothing's wrong" but you know that they're lying, 513 00:23:34,455 --> 00:23:35,998 -that's mouth feel. -[buzzer buzzes] 514 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,000 Mouth feel is, like, 515 00:23:38,042 --> 00:23:42,588 what animals use to sense 516 00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:45,299 whether they like others or not. 517 00:23:45,341 --> 00:23:47,343 -It happens in the mouth. -[buzzer buzzes] 518 00:23:47,385 --> 00:23:50,263 Mouth feel is the texture of the liquid in your mouth. 519 00:23:50,304 --> 00:23:53,266 The viscosity, how it feels against the tongue 520 00:23:53,307 --> 00:23:54,767 -and the cheeks. -[buzzer dings] 521 00:23:54,809 --> 00:23:56,686 That's what happens, um, when you're in a lab 522 00:23:56,727 --> 00:23:59,272 and you accidentally revive dinosaurs. 523 00:23:59,313 --> 00:24:01,190 When you go to the dog park 524 00:24:01,232 --> 00:24:03,234 and, uh, you notice that it says, 525 00:24:03,276 --> 00:24:05,027 "No small dogs allowed," 526 00:24:05,069 --> 00:24:06,946 but you have the smallest dog... 527 00:24:08,030 --> 00:24:09,448 -that's terroir. -[buzzer buzzes] 528 00:24:09,490 --> 00:24:11,284 Terroir is 529 00:24:11,325 --> 00:24:14,036 this feeling of fear 530 00:24:14,078 --> 00:24:15,746 that comes over you 531 00:24:15,788 --> 00:24:18,541 when you don't know the answer to something 532 00:24:18,583 --> 00:24:20,126 -that you should know. -[buzzer buzzes] 533 00:24:20,168 --> 00:24:21,752 Occasionally when the sun, like, shoots off, 534 00:24:21,794 --> 00:24:24,088 -like, radioactive energy. -[buzzer buzzes] 535 00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:28,092 Tannins are that tingly sensation on the tongue. 536 00:24:28,759 --> 00:24:32,221 When you know that something is amiss. 537 00:24:32,263 --> 00:24:34,599 The more tannins you have, 538 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,475 the higher quality the leather. 539 00:24:37,143 --> 00:24:38,936 [buzzer buzzes] 540 00:24:38,978 --> 00:24:40,438 -[Jim] You wanna [indistinct]? -No, that-- that's me. No. 541 00:24:40,479 --> 00:24:41,898 I don't wanna [indistinct]. 542 00:24:41,939 --> 00:24:43,816 [all laugh] 543 00:24:43,858 --> 00:24:47,486 It seems obvious now, but at the time, 544 00:24:47,528 --> 00:24:49,155 it was a breakthrough discovery 545 00:24:49,197 --> 00:24:51,532 that certain grapes and certain places 546 00:24:51,574 --> 00:24:53,993 are a natural match for one another. 547 00:24:54,035 --> 00:24:56,162 And we have the Cistercians to thank for that. 548 00:24:56,204 --> 00:25:00,541 ♪ 549 00:25:00,583 --> 00:25:03,419 The work of the Cistercian as well as other groups 550 00:25:03,461 --> 00:25:04,921 like the Benedictines, 551 00:25:04,962 --> 00:25:06,714 concentrated wine's development 552 00:25:06,756 --> 00:25:08,674 into the major wine-growing regions 553 00:25:08,716 --> 00:25:10,301 we know in France today. 554 00:25:11,969 --> 00:25:14,222 There are quite a few regions, 555 00:25:14,263 --> 00:25:15,932 sub-regions, and cru sites, 556 00:25:15,973 --> 00:25:18,559 but perhaps the most famous are Champagne, 557 00:25:18,601 --> 00:25:21,979 Burgundy, Beaujolais, the Rhone Valley, 558 00:25:22,021 --> 00:25:24,148 Bordeaux and the Loire Valley 559 00:25:24,190 --> 00:25:26,984 and Alsace and Languedoc and Provence. 560 00:25:27,026 --> 00:25:28,194 There are a lot. 561 00:25:30,154 --> 00:25:32,281 The Celts might have been growing wine in France 562 00:25:32,323 --> 00:25:34,075 before the Romans barged in. 563 00:25:34,116 --> 00:25:36,827 But as discussed, the Romans really went ham. 564 00:25:38,037 --> 00:25:39,914 You'll hear a lot of people mention Burgundy 565 00:25:39,956 --> 00:25:42,500 as one of the world's fanciest wine regions. 566 00:25:42,541 --> 00:25:45,002 Whereas its southern neighbor, Beaujolais is, 567 00:25:45,044 --> 00:25:46,963 so they say, more approachable. 568 00:25:47,797 --> 00:25:49,298 As we heard, Jeanine say... 569 00:25:49,340 --> 00:25:50,633 I know that this wine comes from Burgundy. 570 00:25:50,675 --> 00:25:52,343 If it's red, it's probably Pinot. 571 00:25:52,385 --> 00:25:54,262 [Jim] This is the case, 572 00:25:54,303 --> 00:25:57,556 thanks to a 14th-century Duke named Philip the Bold. 573 00:25:58,057 --> 00:25:59,767 Philip became the Duke of Burgundy 574 00:25:59,809 --> 00:26:01,644 because when he was 14, 575 00:26:01,686 --> 00:26:05,314 he helped his father, King John II, or John the Good, 576 00:26:05,356 --> 00:26:08,109 fight the English at the Battle of Poitiers, 577 00:26:08,150 --> 00:26:09,777 which they lost. 578 00:26:09,819 --> 00:26:12,655 But Phillip apparently was bold about it. 579 00:26:13,197 --> 00:26:15,491 I'm sure it was a great comfort to the common folk 580 00:26:15,533 --> 00:26:17,285 who lost family members at the battle 581 00:26:17,326 --> 00:26:20,663 to hear that the king's 14-year-old son was bold. 582 00:26:21,205 --> 00:26:23,833 Philip and his dad were both captured during the battle 583 00:26:23,874 --> 00:26:25,501 and were kept in custody 584 00:26:25,543 --> 00:26:28,129 until they were released by a treaty in 1360. 585 00:26:28,921 --> 00:26:31,841 Philip became the Duke of Burgundy in 1363. 586 00:26:33,050 --> 00:26:34,635 As Duke of Burgundy, 587 00:26:34,677 --> 00:26:36,804 in addition to the usual ducal duties 588 00:26:36,846 --> 00:26:39,056 of killing the English or the Flemish 589 00:26:39,098 --> 00:26:41,142 or marrying a Flemish countess, 590 00:26:41,183 --> 00:26:43,519 Philip took a lot of care and pride 591 00:26:43,561 --> 00:26:46,564 in his region's wine made from Pinot Noir. 592 00:26:47,398 --> 00:26:49,358 Pinot Noir then, as now, 593 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,154 was hard to grow, much harder than say, Gamay. 594 00:26:53,195 --> 00:26:54,947 I assume you've seen Sideways 595 00:26:54,989 --> 00:26:56,907 and heard Paul Giamatti deliver 596 00:26:56,949 --> 00:26:59,618 an "Alas, poor Yorick-esque" monologue on the subject, 597 00:26:59,660 --> 00:27:01,829 so you know how Pinot Noir people can get. 598 00:27:02,997 --> 00:27:05,333 Philip noted that many of the wine growers 599 00:27:05,374 --> 00:27:07,126 under his ducal shadow 600 00:27:07,168 --> 00:27:09,628 were growing Gamay grapes rather than Pinot Noir. 601 00:27:09,670 --> 00:27:13,215 And we presume he feared this would hurt his wines' 602 00:27:13,257 --> 00:27:16,302 and by extension, his Duchy's reputation. 603 00:27:16,969 --> 00:27:18,512 There is reason to believe 604 00:27:18,554 --> 00:27:20,890 that farmers were incentivized to plant Gamay 605 00:27:20,931 --> 00:27:22,725 because they were struggling for manpower 606 00:27:22,767 --> 00:27:26,604 due to the black plague killing a third of people in the world. 607 00:27:27,563 --> 00:27:29,065 That stands to reason. 608 00:27:29,106 --> 00:27:30,691 But there's not really a time ever 609 00:27:30,733 --> 00:27:33,027 when farmers don't benefit from easier, 610 00:27:33,069 --> 00:27:34,403 higher-yield crops. 611 00:27:35,988 --> 00:27:37,573 Was Philip the Bold right to banish Gamay from Burgundy? 612 00:27:38,032 --> 00:27:41,702 It's easy to imagine a grower's family suffering undue hardship, 613 00:27:41,744 --> 00:27:43,871 thanks to an out-of-touch Duke 614 00:27:43,913 --> 00:27:46,123 issuing edicts out of his back office. 615 00:27:46,791 --> 00:27:49,168 At the same time, one can also easily imagine 616 00:27:49,210 --> 00:27:50,961 Burgundy's competitors saying, 617 00:27:51,003 --> 00:27:53,589 "What, Burgundy, that old swill? 618 00:27:53,631 --> 00:27:54,965 They don't make it like they used to." 619 00:27:56,550 --> 00:27:58,969 Whatever his reasoning, Duke Phillip decreed 620 00:27:59,011 --> 00:28:00,596 that Gamay was vile 621 00:28:00,638 --> 00:28:02,223 and demanded it be ripped from the earth. 622 00:28:02,890 --> 00:28:04,850 If they wanted to grow Gamay south in Beaujolais, 623 00:28:04,892 --> 00:28:06,394 so be it. 624 00:28:06,435 --> 00:28:08,229 They did and they still do to this day. 625 00:28:08,979 --> 00:28:10,564 Which should you drink? 626 00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:12,691 Ask your local wine expert. 627 00:28:13,275 --> 00:28:16,153 But the answer is both, responsibly, but both. 628 00:28:17,113 --> 00:28:20,157 But it wasn't just France on the wine scene at the time. 629 00:28:20,199 --> 00:28:22,159 The Germans were beginning to have success 630 00:28:22,201 --> 00:28:24,120 despite their colder climate. 631 00:28:24,161 --> 00:28:26,580 In the 15th century, a little grape 632 00:28:26,622 --> 00:28:28,457 known as Riesling appeared. 633 00:28:28,499 --> 00:28:33,546 ♪ 634 00:28:38,801 --> 00:28:41,053 [Jim] Because Riesling produced wines 635 00:28:41,095 --> 00:28:45,307 with relatively high acidity, the wines both tasted fresher 636 00:28:45,349 --> 00:28:47,726 and lasted longer without spoiling. 637 00:28:48,185 --> 00:28:50,938 But while the Cistercians introduced and developed wines 638 00:28:50,980 --> 00:28:54,108 based on a vine's location down to the foot, 639 00:28:54,150 --> 00:28:55,609 the Germans began working 640 00:28:55,651 --> 00:28:58,362 on wines picked late in the harvest, 641 00:28:58,404 --> 00:29:00,531 differentiating based on the day 642 00:29:00,573 --> 00:29:03,200 and sometimes even picking certain grapes from a bunch 643 00:29:03,242 --> 00:29:05,202 and leaving others to mature. 644 00:29:05,953 --> 00:29:07,663 That's one of the coolest things to me in the world. 645 00:29:07,705 --> 00:29:09,373 Like, who did that one day? 646 00:29:09,415 --> 00:29:11,041 They're like, "Oh, damn it, 647 00:29:11,083 --> 00:29:13,335 all of our grapes are covered in mold. 648 00:29:13,377 --> 00:29:15,254 Let's-- let's press it and see what happens." 649 00:29:15,296 --> 00:29:18,215 You know what I mean? Like, that-- somebody did that. 650 00:29:18,257 --> 00:29:20,551 And now this-- some of the most expensive wines in the world 651 00:29:20,593 --> 00:29:22,261 are made from moldy grapes. 652 00:29:22,803 --> 00:29:23,888 [imitates explosion] 653 00:29:23,929 --> 00:29:25,931 Their labeling is a little-- 654 00:29:25,973 --> 00:29:27,933 it's slightly different from what we know 655 00:29:27,975 --> 00:29:29,560 as traditional overall labels 656 00:29:29,602 --> 00:29:31,520 because there's always, like, a vineyard site 657 00:29:31,562 --> 00:29:32,855 and a town involved. 658 00:29:32,897 --> 00:29:34,398 A quality level. 659 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,108 So if you don't know those quality levels, 660 00:29:36,150 --> 00:29:37,526 you don't know how much sugar you're walking into. 661 00:29:37,568 --> 00:29:39,570 Yes, so I would say German labels 662 00:29:39,612 --> 00:29:42,072 are probably the most complicated labels to read. 663 00:29:42,114 --> 00:29:44,200 Um, and then France after that. 664 00:29:44,241 --> 00:29:47,745 With, like, Germany, you got Cabernet, 665 00:29:47,786 --> 00:29:49,872 you've got Auslese, Beerenauslese, 666 00:29:49,914 --> 00:29:51,999 you have the-- the vineyard, you have the cru site, 667 00:29:52,041 --> 00:29:53,167 and you're just like... 668 00:29:54,293 --> 00:29:56,462 "Is this Riesling gonna go with my salad?" 669 00:29:56,504 --> 00:29:59,006 Like, that's all I want to know. 670 00:29:59,465 --> 00:30:02,885 Today, the Germans still produce delicious, 671 00:30:02,927 --> 00:30:05,513 high-quality late-harvest wine, 672 00:30:05,554 --> 00:30:07,723 as well as everyday table wine. 673 00:30:08,474 --> 00:30:09,892 But with all that great wine around, 674 00:30:09,934 --> 00:30:12,186 why even produce everyday table wine? 675 00:30:12,853 --> 00:30:15,397 Simple, because Americans will drink it. 676 00:30:15,439 --> 00:30:20,444 ♪ 677 00:30:21,403 --> 00:30:23,280 [Jim] By the 17th century, 678 00:30:23,322 --> 00:30:27,159 a nobleman from Bordeaux, Arnaud III de Pontac, 679 00:30:27,201 --> 00:30:29,078 Monsieur de Pontac, if you're nasty, 680 00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:30,704 realized three things. 681 00:30:31,413 --> 00:30:34,333 First, that as the Cistercians had proven, 682 00:30:34,375 --> 00:30:36,210 some wines were better than others 683 00:30:36,252 --> 00:30:39,171 based on their precise geographical location. 684 00:30:39,672 --> 00:30:41,840 Second, that according to him, anyway, 685 00:30:41,882 --> 00:30:44,593 his Haut-Brion wines were one of those special wines. 686 00:30:44,635 --> 00:30:47,638 And third, that taverns across Europe 687 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,515 sold almost all wine 688 00:30:49,557 --> 00:30:51,850 by slobbing it together in a huge barrel. 689 00:30:52,351 --> 00:30:56,021 So no one knew if they were drinking his amazing Haut-Brion 690 00:30:56,063 --> 00:31:00,317 or some rot gut pigswill made five meters away. 691 00:31:00,985 --> 00:31:02,987 So what did de Pontac do? Simple. 692 00:31:03,028 --> 00:31:05,281 He doubled the price of his wine 693 00:31:05,322 --> 00:31:07,866 and then insisted it was worth it. 694 00:31:08,534 --> 00:31:11,579 In short, he invented wine marketing. 695 00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:16,000 How much of the wine trade is marketing? 696 00:31:18,544 --> 00:31:19,628 Um... 697 00:31:20,588 --> 00:31:23,966 I'm gonna say that 98% of it. 698 00:31:24,008 --> 00:31:27,052 If there is ever a story about marketing, it's champagne. 699 00:31:27,094 --> 00:31:29,346 You grow grapes where it's too cool to get them ripe. 700 00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:31,599 And so you add extra sugar 701 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,392 hoping that you'll make up the difference 702 00:31:33,434 --> 00:31:35,102 and you get bubbles and you think, "Oh, okay, 703 00:31:35,144 --> 00:31:37,354 I've got lemons, I'm gonna make lemonade." 704 00:31:37,396 --> 00:31:39,481 And then you make it a wine of celebration. 705 00:31:39,523 --> 00:31:41,734 They were brilliant at this and the stuff's delicious. 706 00:31:41,775 --> 00:31:42,901 So who can complain? 707 00:31:44,194 --> 00:31:46,030 [Jim] How much of the wine trade is marketing? 708 00:31:47,448 --> 00:31:48,532 Hmm. 709 00:31:50,367 --> 00:31:52,828 I feel like this is, like, something for me to poo-poo. 710 00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:55,247 Um... [sighs] 711 00:31:55,914 --> 00:31:57,249 People-- people come in, they're like, 712 00:31:57,291 --> 00:31:58,792 "I love the label of this wine" 713 00:31:58,834 --> 00:32:00,252 and I'm like, "That's why it's on there." 714 00:32:00,294 --> 00:32:02,254 Like it's-- it's because it's pleasing 715 00:32:02,296 --> 00:32:04,381 and it makes you want to go like, "I like this label. 716 00:32:04,423 --> 00:32:05,924 I will buy this wine." 717 00:32:05,966 --> 00:32:08,135 Um, and that's marketing, right? 718 00:32:08,177 --> 00:32:10,304 Um, I don't think that necessarily means 719 00:32:10,346 --> 00:32:12,348 that it's a bad wine, um, at all. 720 00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:14,725 I think that-- that sometimes people just, like, 721 00:32:14,767 --> 00:32:16,727 want a quirky head on there that's exploding 722 00:32:16,769 --> 00:32:17,853 or whatever it is. 723 00:32:17,895 --> 00:32:20,147 One, when you're a big company 724 00:32:20,189 --> 00:32:22,941 and you have a recognizable label that everyone knows, 725 00:32:22,983 --> 00:32:24,735 then you're gonna be very successful. 726 00:32:24,777 --> 00:32:26,862 And if you screw that, if you move-- change it around, 727 00:32:26,904 --> 00:32:29,490 sometimes people, you know, react poorly to it. 728 00:32:30,407 --> 00:32:32,284 When you're talking about, like, simplistic, 729 00:32:32,326 --> 00:32:33,827 small-production wines, 730 00:32:33,869 --> 00:32:35,746 I think that word of mouth, 731 00:32:35,788 --> 00:32:37,706 honestly, social media has done a lot 732 00:32:37,748 --> 00:32:39,458 for small-production wines. 733 00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:43,587 Um, and-- and good websites... 734 00:32:44,505 --> 00:32:46,715 do a lot for-- for small production wines. 735 00:32:46,757 --> 00:32:48,592 So-- and that's marketing, right? 736 00:32:49,385 --> 00:32:50,594 [Jim] Well, speaking of stories, 737 00:32:50,636 --> 00:32:52,262 I'm thinking of, uh, Haut-Brion, 738 00:32:52,304 --> 00:32:55,307 you know, they're that-- according to my research anyway, 739 00:32:55,349 --> 00:32:58,519 they were kind of the first, uh, place to do that. 740 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,938 To say, "My wine is better than their wine 741 00:33:00,979 --> 00:33:04,608 because my vineyard is a meter away from theirs." 742 00:33:04,650 --> 00:33:07,027 We wouldn't have-- we wouldn't have [indistinct] 743 00:33:07,069 --> 00:33:08,821 if it didn't-- if it wasn't for that, right? 744 00:33:08,862 --> 00:33:10,698 If it wasn't for people saying, like, 745 00:33:10,739 --> 00:33:12,116 "I'm the best," 746 00:33:12,157 --> 00:33:13,492 and then someone else was like, "Sure." 747 00:33:13,534 --> 00:33:15,327 Under table money, you know, like, 748 00:33:15,369 --> 00:33:17,121 we wouldn't have those things, which is, 749 00:33:17,162 --> 00:33:19,623 I mean, those wines are thousands, Haut-Brion, 750 00:33:19,665 --> 00:33:22,126 like, thousands of dollars for a bottle of wine. 751 00:33:22,167 --> 00:33:25,754 That's, is it-- is it amazing? Absolutely, change your life. 752 00:33:26,255 --> 00:33:28,215 But, like... 753 00:33:28,257 --> 00:33:32,052 does it exist because 200 years or 100 and something years ago, 754 00:33:32,094 --> 00:33:34,346 someone was like, "This is the place." 755 00:33:34,388 --> 00:33:35,597 But also... 756 00:33:37,683 --> 00:33:40,394 it's that whole, like, I have a wall around my space. 757 00:33:40,436 --> 00:33:41,895 "This is my space. 758 00:33:41,937 --> 00:33:44,106 It is the best space because my wall is here. 759 00:33:44,148 --> 00:33:47,025 I know-- I know your space is connected to my wall, 760 00:33:47,067 --> 00:33:49,194 but it sucks because you're not in within my wall. 761 00:33:49,236 --> 00:33:50,320 You know what I mean? 762 00:33:50,362 --> 00:33:52,072 Like, that's-- that's how it-- 763 00:33:52,114 --> 00:33:53,949 that's how it-- that's how it works. 764 00:33:53,991 --> 00:33:56,243 [Jim] How much of the wine trade is marketing? 765 00:33:57,077 --> 00:33:58,162 Oh. 766 00:33:59,747 --> 00:34:01,540 Hmm, uh... 767 00:34:03,208 --> 00:34:06,086 What seems to be a bigger number is not really 768 00:34:06,128 --> 00:34:09,214 because I-- I am a big believer in, 769 00:34:09,255 --> 00:34:12,092 if you see a commercial for it, 770 00:34:12,134 --> 00:34:13,635 then I'm probably not drinking it. 771 00:34:13,677 --> 00:34:16,179 And when you think about your smaller families, 772 00:34:16,221 --> 00:34:18,766 um, they don't have market-- 773 00:34:18,806 --> 00:34:20,559 they don't have marketing budgets, 774 00:34:20,601 --> 00:34:22,018 and that's usually who I want. 775 00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:25,438 Um, so from the large perspective 776 00:34:25,481 --> 00:34:26,815 of the wine industry, 777 00:34:26,857 --> 00:34:28,358 marketing is probably-- 778 00:34:29,275 --> 00:34:32,654 God, I'd say 65% of everything, 779 00:34:32,696 --> 00:34:35,032 you know, exposure is a big deal. 780 00:34:35,072 --> 00:34:36,784 Especially for a product 781 00:34:36,824 --> 00:34:38,786 that most people don't understand. 782 00:34:38,827 --> 00:34:40,661 You know, if you're exposed to it 783 00:34:40,704 --> 00:34:43,831 and it's flashy and, you know, you-- you see all the colors 784 00:34:43,873 --> 00:34:45,417 or whatever you see, 785 00:34:45,458 --> 00:34:48,420 then you're probably more amped to go buy it 786 00:34:48,462 --> 00:34:50,255 and to get excited about it. 787 00:34:50,297 --> 00:34:53,509 Um, but I-- I-- everyone's different, 788 00:34:53,550 --> 00:34:55,135 and I get more excited about 789 00:34:55,177 --> 00:34:58,347 the folks that don't have a budget for marketing. 790 00:34:58,388 --> 00:35:00,933 That get their marketing from word of mouth, 791 00:35:00,974 --> 00:35:03,143 you know, because your product's so good 792 00:35:03,185 --> 00:35:05,854 and made so impressively that, 793 00:35:05,896 --> 00:35:08,482 you know, it's gonna sell out. 794 00:35:08,524 --> 00:35:09,942 But, you know, yeah, you think about, like, 795 00:35:09,983 --> 00:35:12,319 Madame Clicquot and she's the queen of-- 796 00:35:12,361 --> 00:35:13,737 if it wasn't for her, 797 00:35:13,779 --> 00:35:15,405 there would be no marketing, period. 798 00:35:15,447 --> 00:35:19,952 Like no way of knowing about the products in hand 799 00:35:19,993 --> 00:35:21,245 and-- and making it. 800 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,248 I guess she's the queen of celebration. 801 00:35:24,289 --> 00:35:27,125 Really, so yeah. 802 00:35:27,876 --> 00:35:29,378 [Jim] But you know, 803 00:35:29,419 --> 00:35:31,463 to say that something is a grocery store wine. 804 00:35:31,505 --> 00:35:32,923 That's-- that's an insult. 805 00:35:33,382 --> 00:35:34,716 It is, it is. 806 00:35:34,758 --> 00:35:37,302 And I understand what people mean by that, 807 00:35:37,344 --> 00:35:39,680 you know, just because you see it in a grocery store 808 00:35:39,721 --> 00:35:42,891 doesn't mean that it's-- it's-- it's inferior. 809 00:35:42,933 --> 00:35:45,102 You know, there's a couple of things that we've sold here 810 00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:47,396 that, you know, just happen to... 811 00:35:48,605 --> 00:35:50,232 get a good name for itself. 812 00:35:50,274 --> 00:35:53,735 And so if I say if you made it to the supermarket 813 00:35:53,777 --> 00:35:55,821 and I sold your wine, then that's a good-ass wine. 814 00:35:55,863 --> 00:35:59,491 You know, like, that's it, that wine was fantastic. 815 00:35:59,533 --> 00:36:01,326 But once we figured that out, we're just like, 816 00:36:01,368 --> 00:36:05,122 "Okay, that-- that-- that train has been gone now, so." 817 00:36:05,163 --> 00:36:07,833 [Jim] As the experts have each mentioned, 818 00:36:07,875 --> 00:36:10,127 Madame Clicquot was another pioneer 819 00:36:10,168 --> 00:36:11,753 in wine marketing. 820 00:36:11,795 --> 00:36:14,464 When her husband, Francois, died in 1805, 821 00:36:14,506 --> 00:36:16,508 she took over the family business 822 00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:20,971 and invented the concept of champagne out of nothing. 823 00:36:21,513 --> 00:36:24,558 She was not yet 30 years old at the time. 824 00:36:25,142 --> 00:36:26,894 Now, sure, de Pontac might have been 825 00:36:26,935 --> 00:36:29,146 a great early marketer of Obrien, 826 00:36:29,187 --> 00:36:31,356 but he didn't invent red wine. 827 00:36:32,024 --> 00:36:34,818 Madam Clicquot created a business for her product 828 00:36:34,860 --> 00:36:38,697 with nothing more than her wit and the sheer force of her will. 829 00:36:39,323 --> 00:36:41,950 When we drink champagne today, we are taking part 830 00:36:41,992 --> 00:36:44,912 in the legacy of a serious badass. 831 00:36:47,789 --> 00:36:49,917 Stepping back a bit from Madame Clicquot 832 00:36:49,958 --> 00:36:51,668 to the 17th century though. 833 00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:54,880 European explorers were discovering the new world, 834 00:36:54,922 --> 00:36:56,840 which was a surprise to the people 835 00:36:56,882 --> 00:36:58,467 already living there. 836 00:36:58,508 --> 00:37:00,719 Those explorers brought grapes with them, 837 00:37:00,761 --> 00:37:03,138 much as the Romans had done thousands of years before. 838 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,307 They planted and cultivated grapes 839 00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:07,100 north into what is now the United States, 840 00:37:07,142 --> 00:37:10,020 as well as south into Argentina, Chile, Mexico. 841 00:37:10,062 --> 00:37:12,022 Honestly, just about everywhere. 842 00:37:12,064 --> 00:37:14,608 Colonists were often commanded to plant vineyards, 843 00:37:14,650 --> 00:37:16,485 but at least in the US, 844 00:37:16,526 --> 00:37:18,570 there was a small problem. 845 00:37:18,612 --> 00:37:21,448 The wine that they produced did not taste good. 846 00:37:21,490 --> 00:37:23,450 It tasted foxy. 847 00:37:27,329 --> 00:37:28,789 Yeah, well, first of all, 848 00:37:28,830 --> 00:37:30,290 there's a-- there's even an argument 849 00:37:30,332 --> 00:37:32,417 about what foxiness is, 850 00:37:32,459 --> 00:37:35,337 but it's a pretty simple concept and it goes back-- 851 00:37:35,379 --> 00:37:36,964 let's go back to Thomas Jefferson. 852 00:37:37,005 --> 00:37:38,757 Thomas Jefferson tried desperately 853 00:37:38,799 --> 00:37:40,300 to grow grapes in Virginia. 854 00:37:40,342 --> 00:37:42,552 Um, the easiest way to explain it 855 00:37:42,594 --> 00:37:46,014 is that they taste a little bit like Concord Grape Juice. 856 00:37:46,056 --> 00:37:47,516 Concord Grape Juice is a-- 857 00:37:47,557 --> 00:37:48,725 Concord is a native American grape. 858 00:37:50,102 --> 00:37:53,730 And that smell is in some-- it-- it is related 859 00:37:53,772 --> 00:37:55,357 to the kinds of grapes 860 00:37:55,399 --> 00:37:57,776 that are native to the United States. 861 00:37:57,818 --> 00:37:59,820 And some people call it foxy. 862 00:37:59,861 --> 00:38:02,030 And some people say, "Well, that's not exactly what it is, 863 00:38:02,072 --> 00:38:03,782 but it is that character 864 00:38:03,824 --> 00:38:06,243 that makes those wines taste different. 865 00:38:06,284 --> 00:38:08,495 And you know, there-- there are wines 866 00:38:08,537 --> 00:38:11,665 made from Native American grapes that are pretty darn successful. 867 00:38:11,707 --> 00:38:12,791 Manischewitz. 868 00:38:14,209 --> 00:38:15,961 That's a Concord wine. 869 00:38:16,503 --> 00:38:17,963 Uh, and if you want to know 870 00:38:18,005 --> 00:38:19,798 what early wines in America tasted like, 871 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,717 they were probably drier than that 872 00:38:21,758 --> 00:38:23,593 because it's actually pretty sophisticated 873 00:38:23,635 --> 00:38:26,388 to make a wine that has that residual sweetness in it 874 00:38:26,430 --> 00:38:27,973 without letting it referment. 875 00:38:28,015 --> 00:38:29,516 That's basically what they were drinking 876 00:38:29,558 --> 00:38:30,642 in the good old days. 877 00:38:30,684 --> 00:38:32,519 So if-- if you wanna drink 878 00:38:32,561 --> 00:38:35,063 what Thomas Jefferson was drinking at Monticello, 879 00:38:35,105 --> 00:38:37,149 grab a bottle of Manischewitz and have at it. 880 00:38:37,983 --> 00:38:40,027 [Jim] What does a foxy wine taste like? 881 00:38:40,068 --> 00:38:41,319 [indistinct] question. 882 00:38:41,361 --> 00:38:42,696 Foxy? 883 00:38:42,738 --> 00:38:43,739 [Jim] What does a fox taste like? 884 00:38:44,489 --> 00:38:46,033 I have a really hard time with that 885 00:38:46,074 --> 00:38:47,909 because I also wonder the same thing, like, 886 00:38:47,951 --> 00:38:49,202 what does a mouse taste like? 887 00:38:49,745 --> 00:38:51,163 Hairy? I don't know. 888 00:38:51,747 --> 00:38:54,750 Um, that's what it tastes like to me, 889 00:38:54,791 --> 00:38:56,126 but some people like that. 890 00:38:57,669 --> 00:39:00,589 Some people like that earthy, musty, mousy, foxy, sweaty, 891 00:39:00,630 --> 00:39:03,175 horse sweat kind of thing, you know? 892 00:39:03,925 --> 00:39:06,762 Um, a-- a fox, I think-- um... 893 00:39:08,513 --> 00:39:10,265 I think they probably taste like a... 894 00:39:12,601 --> 00:39:13,935 I don't even know. 895 00:39:13,977 --> 00:39:15,228 We have foxes in our neighborhood. 896 00:39:16,021 --> 00:39:17,522 They look so cool in pictures, 897 00:39:17,564 --> 00:39:18,857 and then you see them in real life 898 00:39:18,899 --> 00:39:20,275 and you're like, "That thing's ugly." 899 00:39:20,317 --> 00:39:21,860 [chuckles] It's gross. 900 00:39:21,902 --> 00:39:24,321 The American colonists kept at it 901 00:39:24,362 --> 00:39:26,198 until downy mildew 902 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,159 and then the American Civil War demolished the wine trade. 903 00:39:29,201 --> 00:39:31,453 But in California, much as today, 904 00:39:31,495 --> 00:39:33,371 things were different. 905 00:39:33,413 --> 00:39:35,165 [Jim] Jean-Louis Vignes was making and selling wine 906 00:39:35,207 --> 00:39:37,459 in California in the 1840s. 907 00:39:37,918 --> 00:39:39,669 And the gold rush later that decade 908 00:39:39,711 --> 00:39:43,131 also had a profound effect on the demand for wine. 909 00:39:43,173 --> 00:39:47,511 Since unlike gold, the miners could actually find wine. 910 00:39:47,552 --> 00:39:49,262 By the end of the 19th century, 911 00:39:49,304 --> 00:39:51,556 Californian wines were flowing like... 912 00:39:52,474 --> 00:39:53,850 well, they were flowing, 913 00:39:53,892 --> 00:39:55,560 which is good, they would be needed. 914 00:39:56,103 --> 00:39:58,522 [upbeat music] 915 00:39:58,563 --> 00:40:00,732 Also in the mid-19th century, 916 00:40:00,774 --> 00:40:04,069 a man named James Busby, along with others, 917 00:40:04,111 --> 00:40:06,279 imported grape vines to Australia 918 00:40:06,321 --> 00:40:10,742 which was particularly difficult because it was Australia. 919 00:40:10,784 --> 00:40:13,328 Australia is a gigantic island 920 00:40:13,370 --> 00:40:15,539 made primarily of deadly spiders, 921 00:40:15,580 --> 00:40:17,582 which is why, until recently, 922 00:40:17,624 --> 00:40:20,001 Australian wine production has been focused 923 00:40:20,043 --> 00:40:23,004 on stronger ports and sherries 924 00:40:23,046 --> 00:40:25,173 because Australians need to drink a little courage 925 00:40:25,215 --> 00:40:26,925 just to go outside. 926 00:40:26,967 --> 00:40:29,302 But today Australia's wine production spans 927 00:40:29,344 --> 00:40:31,138 all kinds of wines, 928 00:40:31,179 --> 00:40:34,307 which is enjoyed by all kinds of deadly spiders. 929 00:40:39,437 --> 00:40:43,275 Everything was changing in the middle 17th century. 930 00:40:43,316 --> 00:40:46,361 Descartes was extolling the virtues of reason. 931 00:40:46,403 --> 00:40:48,864 Isaac Newton published his Principia, 932 00:40:48,905 --> 00:40:50,907 including the laws of motion. 933 00:40:50,949 --> 00:40:54,953 And that verve for deliberation came also to winemaking. 934 00:40:54,995 --> 00:40:57,873 And with it some new techniques for storing wine 935 00:40:57,914 --> 00:41:01,543 with corks and bottles and a creepy old man. 936 00:41:02,669 --> 00:41:06,047 As all this was happening, a man named Antoine Lavoisier 937 00:41:06,089 --> 00:41:08,466 did something absolutely brilliant. 938 00:41:08,508 --> 00:41:11,386 He married his wife Mary Anne Lavoisier. 939 00:41:11,428 --> 00:41:12,888 Together, they went on 940 00:41:12,929 --> 00:41:14,973 an unbelievable tear through science, 941 00:41:15,015 --> 00:41:18,143 shaping the way that we look at the world to this day. 942 00:41:18,685 --> 00:41:21,229 Most importantly for our story though, 943 00:41:21,271 --> 00:41:24,566 the Lavoisiers brought science to wine. 944 00:41:25,025 --> 00:41:26,860 Their contributions would be built on 945 00:41:26,902 --> 00:41:30,822 by people like Adamo Fabbroni and later Louis Pasteur. 946 00:41:31,448 --> 00:41:35,660 Pasteur showed that whatever is wrong or right with a wine, 947 00:41:35,702 --> 00:41:40,081 the reasons are likely down to living things called germs. 948 00:41:42,209 --> 00:41:46,254 Fermentation, germs. Wine going sour, germs. 949 00:41:46,296 --> 00:41:49,216 That weird smell in the parlor, parlor germs. 950 00:41:49,799 --> 00:41:52,510 Pasteur loved germs. 951 00:41:53,345 --> 00:41:55,722 He loved them so much, he named his son Germs. 952 00:41:57,557 --> 00:41:59,226 Okay, that's not true. 953 00:41:59,267 --> 00:42:01,770 But he did realize that germs were responsible 954 00:42:01,811 --> 00:42:04,940 for a lot of disease and decay, 955 00:42:04,981 --> 00:42:08,693 which led him to try heating liquids above a temperature 956 00:42:08,735 --> 00:42:11,863 that the germs could tolerate, thus killing them off. 957 00:42:11,905 --> 00:42:16,618 This process is known today as heating stuff up, 958 00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:18,161 but it's also known as pasteurization. 959 00:42:18,203 --> 00:42:20,205 And you've probably seen the word pasteurized 960 00:42:20,247 --> 00:42:21,706 if you've ever seen milk. 961 00:42:22,165 --> 00:42:24,960 Though wine isn't typically pasteurized, 962 00:42:25,001 --> 00:42:27,963 Pasteur's work explained the fermentation process 963 00:42:28,004 --> 00:42:30,840 and helped make better wine, that lasted longer. 964 00:42:31,299 --> 00:42:33,677 And with the use of more modern bottles and corks 965 00:42:33,718 --> 00:42:37,138 by the middle 19th century, wine really took off. 966 00:42:37,764 --> 00:42:39,432 I mean, it was only 400 years ago 967 00:42:39,474 --> 00:42:41,226 that we figured out how to use, how to use-- 968 00:42:41,268 --> 00:42:43,436 how to manufacture corks. 969 00:42:44,145 --> 00:42:46,022 And how to actually-- 970 00:42:46,064 --> 00:42:48,108 It's not just manufacturing corks and doing it consistently 971 00:42:48,149 --> 00:42:51,486 because they did know how to-- the properties of cork 972 00:42:51,528 --> 00:42:53,154 and it was good properties. 973 00:42:53,655 --> 00:42:56,074 But actually manufacturing the bottles, 974 00:42:56,116 --> 00:42:59,244 the same shape every time because you have to have 975 00:42:59,286 --> 00:43:02,372 standard corks and standard bottles. 976 00:43:02,414 --> 00:43:05,875 That was a huge technological leap forward back then. 977 00:43:06,418 --> 00:43:08,336 [Jim] But also because of these advances, 978 00:43:08,378 --> 00:43:11,089 it became possible to age wine. 979 00:43:12,424 --> 00:43:15,719 It allows, I think, for a wine to show its true potential 980 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,264 or fall apart and be destroyed very easily. 981 00:43:19,306 --> 00:43:21,433 I think it's a delicate balance with aging. 982 00:43:21,474 --> 00:43:23,601 [Jim] But trouble was fermenting. 983 00:43:24,144 --> 00:43:26,271 A shitty insect called Phylloxera 984 00:43:26,313 --> 00:43:28,732 was destroying European vine roots. 985 00:43:28,773 --> 00:43:30,400 -[insect buzzing] -Thankfully though, 986 00:43:30,442 --> 00:43:33,194 American vine roots were resistant to pests. 987 00:43:34,362 --> 00:43:38,658 Grafting a vine of one grape onto the root of another 988 00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:41,119 grows the top of the vine's grapes, 989 00:43:41,161 --> 00:43:42,954 not the roots grapes. 990 00:43:43,455 --> 00:43:46,124 The dying European roots were dug up, 991 00:43:46,166 --> 00:43:47,625 American ones planted, 992 00:43:47,667 --> 00:43:49,336 European vines grafted onto them, 993 00:43:49,377 --> 00:43:51,171 European wine was saved. 994 00:43:51,212 --> 00:43:52,964 -Easy. -[crowd cheering] 995 00:43:53,006 --> 00:43:55,884 Except, of course, it wasn't nearly that easy. 996 00:43:55,925 --> 00:43:57,969 [crowd booing] 997 00:43:58,011 --> 00:44:00,930 It took decades of research and development 998 00:44:00,972 --> 00:44:02,807 to match roots to soil. 999 00:44:02,849 --> 00:44:05,352 And in many cases, the solution was as bad as the problem. 1000 00:44:06,144 --> 00:44:08,271 But European wineries survived 1001 00:44:08,313 --> 00:44:10,148 just in time for many of them 1002 00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:12,609 to be destroyed during World War I. 1003 00:44:13,860 --> 00:44:16,196 After World War I and World War II, 1004 00:44:16,237 --> 00:44:17,864 lots of things were different. 1005 00:44:17,906 --> 00:44:19,574 In parts of the world, water was cleaner. 1006 00:44:20,075 --> 00:44:23,495 It was no longer necessary to drink wine or beer 1007 00:44:23,536 --> 00:44:26,122 merely because they were the safest beverages. 1008 00:44:26,164 --> 00:44:27,957 The popularity of spirits and cocktails 1009 00:44:27,999 --> 00:44:30,335 also affected wine's popularity. 1010 00:44:30,377 --> 00:44:32,045 But at the same time, 1011 00:44:32,087 --> 00:44:35,715 wine was experiencing a big uptick in quality. 1012 00:44:35,757 --> 00:44:37,550 People valued it more. 1013 00:44:37,592 --> 00:44:41,596 New laws and regulations emerged to categorize and classify wine. 1014 00:44:42,514 --> 00:44:45,350 The only problem is that in order to classify something, 1015 00:44:45,392 --> 00:44:48,061 you need to come up with some guiding principles. 1016 00:44:48,645 --> 00:44:50,021 But what happens 1017 00:44:50,063 --> 00:44:51,689 if nobody can agree what those are? 1018 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,861 In Italy, the Denominazione di Origine Controllata or DOC 1019 00:44:56,903 --> 00:44:59,906 decided to freeze the development of Italian wine 1020 00:44:59,948 --> 00:45:01,741 as it was at the time 1021 00:45:01,783 --> 00:45:03,368 rather than letting wine producers 1022 00:45:03,410 --> 00:45:05,703 continue to employ new techniques 1023 00:45:05,745 --> 00:45:07,038 coming to the fore. 1024 00:45:08,498 --> 00:45:10,708 To which some of those Italian wine producers responded, 1025 00:45:10,750 --> 00:45:13,294 and I quote, "Vaffanculo!" 1026 00:45:14,379 --> 00:45:19,426 ♪ 1027 00:45:29,227 --> 00:45:32,063 [Jim] Some winemakers, particularly the Tuscan region, 1028 00:45:32,105 --> 00:45:35,608 struck out on their own outside the classifications 1029 00:45:35,650 --> 00:45:38,987 and made outstanding wines which are legendary today. 1030 00:45:39,028 --> 00:45:40,572 That's great for them, 1031 00:45:40,613 --> 00:45:42,991 but it made the DOC look a little bit dumb. 1032 00:45:43,032 --> 00:45:45,827 The battle between the DOC and the rogue winemakers 1033 00:45:45,869 --> 00:45:47,662 got sorted out to some degree 1034 00:45:47,704 --> 00:45:50,290 with an expansion of Italian wine classification 1035 00:45:50,331 --> 00:45:51,749 in the 1990s. 1036 00:45:51,791 --> 00:45:53,710 But the result, 1037 00:45:53,751 --> 00:45:55,628 and this is true of nearly all classification systems, 1038 00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:57,255 is pretty confusing. 1039 00:45:57,714 --> 00:46:00,049 A guy could spend a lifetime 1040 00:46:00,091 --> 00:46:03,428 laboriously purchasing one wine after another, 1041 00:46:03,470 --> 00:46:05,722 opening it, sharing it with friends, 1042 00:46:05,763 --> 00:46:07,932 left to his own devices to decide 1043 00:46:07,974 --> 00:46:09,893 whether he likes it or not. 1044 00:46:09,934 --> 00:46:12,145 Oof, you know, if I must. 1045 00:46:12,729 --> 00:46:14,772 To be fair to the classification systems, 1046 00:46:14,814 --> 00:46:17,066 even if the early days were rocky, 1047 00:46:17,108 --> 00:46:19,777 and even if the resulting system is confusing, 1048 00:46:19,819 --> 00:46:22,030 someone's got to keep their eye on things. 1049 00:46:22,071 --> 00:46:24,991 You know, if I grew grapes and I sold them for a profit, 1050 00:46:25,033 --> 00:46:27,535 I'd be trying to think of ways I could grow more grapes 1051 00:46:27,577 --> 00:46:28,745 for more profit. 1052 00:46:28,786 --> 00:46:30,455 Anyone would. 1053 00:46:30,497 --> 00:46:33,041 The problem is that maximizing production 1054 00:46:33,082 --> 00:46:35,877 doesn't necessarily maximize quality. 1055 00:46:35,919 --> 00:46:37,337 If quality were to slip, 1056 00:46:37,378 --> 00:46:39,714 overall interest in wine would too, 1057 00:46:39,756 --> 00:46:41,174 everyone could suffer. 1058 00:46:42,759 --> 00:46:44,761 This conflict goes on today and presumably will forever 1059 00:46:44,802 --> 00:46:46,346 and is getting weirder all the time. 1060 00:46:46,804 --> 00:46:49,015 -[Jim] Is wine too complicated? -No. 1061 00:46:49,891 --> 00:46:51,351 For me? Or for-- 1062 00:46:52,143 --> 00:46:53,937 for that guy? 1063 00:46:53,978 --> 00:46:56,231 I think we-- I think we try to make it too complicated. 1064 00:46:56,272 --> 00:46:57,565 It doesn't have to be complicated. 1065 00:46:57,607 --> 00:46:59,567 It is complicated, and it can be, 1066 00:46:59,609 --> 00:47:01,110 there's a rabbit hole, there's-- 1067 00:47:01,152 --> 00:47:02,654 there's stacks and stacks and stacks of books 1068 00:47:02,695 --> 00:47:04,030 that you can read about it. 1069 00:47:04,072 --> 00:47:05,323 But I think at the end of the day, 1070 00:47:05,365 --> 00:47:06,449 do you like it? 1071 00:47:08,034 --> 00:47:09,744 The end. 1072 00:47:09,786 --> 00:47:12,413 You know, we've taken the time to educate ourselves, 1073 00:47:12,455 --> 00:47:14,457 not because it's our duty, 1074 00:47:14,499 --> 00:47:16,334 but because I want to learn more. 1075 00:47:16,376 --> 00:47:17,877 So if I'm gonna learn more, 1076 00:47:17,919 --> 00:47:19,379 I'm gonna make sure that I share it more. 1077 00:47:20,255 --> 00:47:21,756 And that's the great part about wine 1078 00:47:21,798 --> 00:47:23,925 is there's still so much learning 1079 00:47:23,967 --> 00:47:25,760 that can happen. 1080 00:47:25,802 --> 00:47:30,014 Nobody says when-- when Lady Gaga releases her-- 1081 00:47:30,056 --> 00:47:31,933 her new song, nobody says, 1082 00:47:31,975 --> 00:47:34,185 "You know, if you took a class in music appreciation, 1083 00:47:34,227 --> 00:47:36,688 you would get so much more out of this song." 1084 00:47:37,438 --> 00:47:40,441 It's just not what happens, but somehow we think 1085 00:47:40,483 --> 00:47:42,986 people need to get educated and the truth is they don't, 1086 00:47:43,027 --> 00:47:44,696 they need to have fun with wine. 1087 00:47:44,737 --> 00:47:46,072 And once you start having fun with wine, 1088 00:47:46,114 --> 00:47:47,282 you'll be fine. 1089 00:47:47,323 --> 00:47:48,950 You know, wine is stigmatized 1090 00:47:48,992 --> 00:47:51,619 and it has been for, well, a long time. 1091 00:47:51,661 --> 00:47:52,787 It certainly is now. 1092 00:47:52,829 --> 00:47:54,539 And, um... 1093 00:47:55,915 --> 00:47:58,001 I-- I think-- I think there's room 1094 00:47:58,042 --> 00:48:00,128 to take it a little less seriously. 1095 00:48:02,505 --> 00:48:04,966 [friend] Okay. Okay. 1096 00:48:05,008 --> 00:48:09,012 Just-- if you could just, maybe a little bit more relaxed. 1097 00:48:09,053 --> 00:48:11,222 Like if you-- it's just, like, the end of the day, 1098 00:48:11,264 --> 00:48:12,640 you're taking your shoes off. 1099 00:48:12,682 --> 00:48:13,975 Yeah, shoes. 1100 00:48:14,017 --> 00:48:15,643 Cuddled up with my robe and cats. 1101 00:48:15,685 --> 00:48:18,062 [chuckles] I'm so relaxed. 1102 00:48:18,104 --> 00:48:20,356 [friend] What's going on with your eye there? 1103 00:48:20,398 --> 00:48:21,524 My eye? 1104 00:48:22,066 --> 00:48:25,069 Oh, is it? I'm sorry. Uh... [laughs] 1105 00:48:25,111 --> 00:48:27,405 -[friend] [indistinct] -I-- I'm-- I'm relaxed. 1106 00:48:27,447 --> 00:48:29,824 [laughs maniacally] So relaxed. 1107 00:48:29,866 --> 00:48:32,744 So, yeah, relaxed. 1108 00:48:32,785 --> 00:48:34,329 -[friend] Shake it all out. -Mm-hmm. 1109 00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:35,496 -[friend] Shake it. -Yeah. 1110 00:48:35,538 --> 00:48:36,581 [friend] Maybe a little more. 1111 00:48:36,623 --> 00:48:38,166 Uh, I'm good. 1112 00:48:38,207 --> 00:48:39,626 [friend] And maybe the hands? 1113 00:48:39,667 --> 00:48:42,837 Oh, sorry, sorry. It's a nervous... 1114 00:48:42,879 --> 00:48:45,590 -[friend] Aha! -Oh, you got me. 1115 00:48:46,090 --> 00:48:49,093 [Jim] I think we can understand why our experts 1116 00:48:49,135 --> 00:48:51,596 would say that wine isn't too complicated 1117 00:48:51,638 --> 00:48:53,056 and they're right that 1118 00:48:53,097 --> 00:48:54,724 the only thing that matters is if you like it. 1119 00:48:54,766 --> 00:48:56,059 But if you're someone 1120 00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:57,685 who wants to get into it a little bit more, 1121 00:48:57,727 --> 00:48:59,312 it can be frustrating. 1122 00:48:59,896 --> 00:49:02,065 Think of it like getting into a new band. 1123 00:49:02,106 --> 00:49:03,608 How do you do that? 1124 00:49:03,650 --> 00:49:05,068 Well, you hear one song that you like 1125 00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:06,486 and then you spread out 1126 00:49:06,527 --> 00:49:08,446 through that artist's catalog 1127 00:49:08,488 --> 00:49:10,948 and then you look for other similar artists 1128 00:49:10,990 --> 00:49:12,992 and then your feed fills up with songs 1129 00:49:13,034 --> 00:49:14,577 you can't bear to listen to 1130 00:49:14,619 --> 00:49:16,621 because the algorithm is a disease. 1131 00:49:16,663 --> 00:49:19,040 Now, imagine if your city, state, 1132 00:49:19,082 --> 00:49:21,334 and federal governments all put controls 1133 00:49:21,376 --> 00:49:23,878 on what bands were available at what time 1134 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,255 with overlapping and conflicting laws 1135 00:49:26,297 --> 00:49:27,882 all over the place. 1136 00:49:27,924 --> 00:49:29,092 As soon as you found one song you like, 1137 00:49:29,133 --> 00:49:30,635 you'd never see it again. 1138 00:49:30,677 --> 00:49:32,929 That's how wine feels to me sometimes. 1139 00:49:33,763 --> 00:49:35,181 Hello. 1140 00:49:35,223 --> 00:49:36,891 Hi, I'm the owner of this fine wine shop. 1141 00:49:36,933 --> 00:49:38,267 Can I help you find anything? 1142 00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:39,727 I love a good cab. 1143 00:49:39,769 --> 00:49:41,396 -Oh, of course. -I was looking for that-- 1144 00:49:41,437 --> 00:49:42,939 Was there anything specific that you're looking for? 1145 00:49:42,980 --> 00:49:44,399 Yeah. As long as it's a cabernet and drinkable, 1146 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:45,692 I'll have it. 1147 00:49:45,733 --> 00:49:47,151 Oh, no, no, no, no, I really-- 1148 00:49:47,193 --> 00:49:48,653 I'm just gonna rip this band-aid right off. 1149 00:49:48,695 --> 00:49:51,656 -What? -Uh, cabernet doesn't exist. 1150 00:49:51,698 --> 00:49:53,366 The whole grape? 1151 00:49:53,408 --> 00:49:55,451 I'm telling you, I will be honest with you. 1152 00:49:55,493 --> 00:49:59,372 I assure you, cabernets are not a real thing. 1153 00:49:59,414 --> 00:50:00,707 You know what? 1154 00:50:00,748 --> 00:50:02,083 I heard rumors of that on Reddit. 1155 00:50:02,125 --> 00:50:03,376 What? How did I not know? 1156 00:50:03,418 --> 00:50:04,585 I mean, I always said it-- 1157 00:50:04,627 --> 00:50:05,712 Big Wine doesn't want you to know. 1158 00:50:06,921 --> 00:50:09,882 Well, what about this? It's empty. 1159 00:50:10,341 --> 00:50:14,095 So that's more, uh, of our, uh, air wine. 1160 00:50:15,847 --> 00:50:17,223 [Jim] How did it get this way? 1161 00:50:17,765 --> 00:50:19,851 Well, my friends, let me tell you about 1162 00:50:19,892 --> 00:50:22,019 a little thing called prohibition. 1163 00:50:25,398 --> 00:50:28,776 In 1920, after passing the 18th Amendment 1164 00:50:28,818 --> 00:50:32,780 and the Volstead Act, the US went completely dry. 1165 00:50:32,822 --> 00:50:34,615 To this day, the debate rages over 1166 00:50:34,657 --> 00:50:36,617 whether it was a good idea 1167 00:50:36,659 --> 00:50:39,120 and whether the effects were positive 1168 00:50:39,162 --> 00:50:40,913 but it wasn't and they weren't. 1169 00:50:41,789 --> 00:50:46,252 Now, given that I'm neither a physician nor an economist, 1170 00:50:46,294 --> 00:50:50,256 I am not qualified to make the following two assertions. 1171 00:50:50,298 --> 00:50:52,049 -But since I'm a comedy writer-- -[program interruption beeping] 1172 00:50:52,091 --> 00:50:54,927 If health is your primary concern, 1173 00:50:54,969 --> 00:51:00,057 you should avoid alcohol and sugar and sitting down. 1174 00:51:01,851 --> 00:51:04,604 -[explosion booms] -[woman cries out] 1175 00:51:04,645 --> 00:51:06,522 Now having said that, please know 1176 00:51:06,564 --> 00:51:09,066 if you're currently sitting down enjoying sugar and alcohol, 1177 00:51:09,108 --> 00:51:11,277 you are my people and I love you. 1178 00:51:11,319 --> 00:51:14,322 Banning something for which there is still supply and demand 1179 00:51:14,363 --> 00:51:15,907 will probably go wrong. 1180 00:51:16,866 --> 00:51:19,660 Because booze is relatively easily made, 1181 00:51:19,702 --> 00:51:21,746 the US had a very hard time 1182 00:51:21,788 --> 00:51:25,374 controlling the supply of alcohol during prohibition. 1183 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,877 Imagine if they tried to ban something, 1184 00:51:27,919 --> 00:51:29,587 a plant, for example, 1185 00:51:29,629 --> 00:51:31,589 that grows right out of the ground 1186 00:51:31,631 --> 00:51:35,009 almost anywhere and requires very little post-processing. 1187 00:51:35,051 --> 00:51:38,095 I mean, if you can, imagine. 1188 00:51:38,137 --> 00:51:40,306 [woman shouting] Yay! 1189 00:51:40,348 --> 00:51:41,974 [Jim] The 21st Amendment repealed 1190 00:51:42,016 --> 00:51:44,310 the 18th Amendment and ended prohibition. 1191 00:51:44,352 --> 00:51:46,103 Before prohibition, 1192 00:51:46,145 --> 00:51:49,357 there was such a thing as tied houses which were bars, 1193 00:51:49,398 --> 00:51:51,984 owned and operated by the Big US Brewers. 1194 00:51:52,777 --> 00:51:55,655 Imagine the way the US suburbs are carpeted today 1195 00:51:55,696 --> 00:51:58,407 with fast food restaurants all clustered together 1196 00:51:58,449 --> 00:52:00,493 and you'll have some idea of how common 1197 00:52:00,535 --> 00:52:03,579 and huddled together the tied houses used to be. 1198 00:52:03,621 --> 00:52:06,123 We didn't want to go back to the tied houses system. 1199 00:52:06,165 --> 00:52:09,126 So after prohibition, we came up with something else. 1200 00:52:09,168 --> 00:52:11,420 The three-tier system. 1201 00:52:11,462 --> 00:52:15,550 Importers slash producers, distributors and retailers. 1202 00:52:16,843 --> 00:52:18,803 In some states, the state government operates 1203 00:52:18,845 --> 00:52:21,722 as some of the tiers, and counties can also have 1204 00:52:21,764 --> 00:52:24,183 their own sale and distribution laws. 1205 00:52:24,225 --> 00:52:26,644 Distributors territories sometimes include 1206 00:52:26,686 --> 00:52:29,105 multiple counties or parts of counties. 1207 00:52:29,146 --> 00:52:31,107 On the other hand, to be fair to the folks 1208 00:52:31,148 --> 00:52:33,901 who came up with this system almost 100 years ago, 1209 00:52:33,943 --> 00:52:36,362 well, it was almost 100 years ago. 1210 00:52:36,404 --> 00:52:38,281 Things are different now. 1211 00:52:39,824 --> 00:52:43,035 A great problem that we have today is that 1212 00:52:43,077 --> 00:52:45,079 all wine is pretty good. 1213 00:52:45,121 --> 00:52:48,916 Because of food safety standards and equipment advances, 1214 00:52:48,958 --> 00:52:52,044 the most modestly priced wines year-round 1215 00:52:52,086 --> 00:52:54,547 are on par with the best anyone ever drank 1216 00:52:54,589 --> 00:52:56,132 just a few generations ago. 1217 00:52:56,716 --> 00:52:58,676 I had a hard time getting a handle 1218 00:52:58,718 --> 00:53:01,554 on what aging wine did for the taste. 1219 00:53:03,222 --> 00:53:04,849 Of course, as always, 1220 00:53:04,891 --> 00:53:07,101 your local wine expert can help you here. 1221 00:53:07,143 --> 00:53:10,897 But there's also a wine region that has made it very simple, 1222 00:53:11,898 --> 00:53:12,940 Rioja. 1223 00:53:14,275 --> 00:53:16,444 Rioja's four color-coded classification levels 1224 00:53:16,485 --> 00:53:19,906 make it easy to put together a group of bottles 1225 00:53:19,947 --> 00:53:22,658 by the same maker, from the same region, 1226 00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:24,869 using roughly the same techniques. 1227 00:53:24,911 --> 00:53:27,914 So the effect of aging becomes more clear. 1228 00:53:27,955 --> 00:53:29,749 I think that, you know, one of the benefits 1229 00:53:29,790 --> 00:53:31,751 of understanding the Spanish system, 1230 00:53:31,792 --> 00:53:33,878 and even at its most basic level, 1231 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,340 the Rioja system, is that it's very easy, 1232 00:53:37,381 --> 00:53:39,133 if you know those three levels, 1233 00:53:39,175 --> 00:53:42,178 to know that your wine has been aged in oak. 1234 00:53:42,803 --> 00:53:46,432 And has also been required to have been aged in the bottle 1235 00:53:46,474 --> 00:53:47,558 for a period of time. 1236 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,310 [Jim] So if you, like me, 1237 00:53:49,352 --> 00:53:53,731 often taste red wine and think, "Yes, that's red wine," 1238 00:53:53,773 --> 00:53:56,275 lining up a few bottles like this is a great way 1239 00:53:56,317 --> 00:53:58,903 to get a foothold in being able to taste aging. 1240 00:53:58,945 --> 00:54:01,989 Let's dig a little bit deeper into Rioja's history. 1241 00:54:02,490 --> 00:54:05,034 We've mentioned the early Mediterranean peoples 1242 00:54:05,076 --> 00:54:06,744 like the Greeks and the Romans. 1243 00:54:06,786 --> 00:54:08,955 And Rioja's earliest wine-growing history 1244 00:54:08,996 --> 00:54:11,374 can be traced back to them as well. 1245 00:54:11,415 --> 00:54:12,959 Rioja has been producing wine 1246 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,502 since the Phoenicians were there. 1247 00:54:14,543 --> 00:54:16,253 Around the middle of the 18th century, 1248 00:54:16,295 --> 00:54:19,507 you had a guy who actually went to Bordeaux. 1249 00:54:21,509 --> 00:54:24,512 And he saw that they were using barrels there. 1250 00:54:26,931 --> 00:54:28,015 [glass shattering] 1251 00:54:28,057 --> 00:54:29,934 They came back to Rioja, 1252 00:54:29,976 --> 00:54:32,061 and because there were restrictions 1253 00:54:32,103 --> 00:54:35,731 on how much they could charge for wine at the time, 1254 00:54:35,773 --> 00:54:38,567 it became too cost-prohibitive for them to actually be able 1255 00:54:38,609 --> 00:54:40,069 to incorporate the use of barrels 1256 00:54:40,111 --> 00:54:41,278 because barrels are very expensive. 1257 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,822 I mean, they are today. 1258 00:54:42,863 --> 00:54:44,156 But even back then, even more so. 1259 00:54:44,198 --> 00:54:46,033 And so that never happened. 1260 00:54:46,075 --> 00:54:48,828 [Jim] So Rioja's first flirtation with oak barrels 1261 00:54:48,869 --> 00:54:50,496 didn't work out long-term, 1262 00:54:50,538 --> 00:54:52,665 but it would by no means be the last. 1263 00:54:52,707 --> 00:54:54,333 About 50 years later, 1264 00:54:54,375 --> 00:54:57,086 there was a small disagreement in Spain. 1265 00:54:57,128 --> 00:54:59,338 It was about who should ascend to the throne 1266 00:54:59,380 --> 00:55:02,925 -when King Ferdinand VII died. -[Ferdinand's portrait groans] 1267 00:55:02,967 --> 00:55:06,262 Ferdinand left instructions on how he should be succeeded. 1268 00:55:06,303 --> 00:55:10,850 But his brother, Don Carlos said those instructions were invalid 1269 00:55:10,891 --> 00:55:14,020 because Ferdinand's proposed heir was female. 1270 00:55:14,061 --> 00:55:15,563 [woman screams] 1271 00:55:15,604 --> 00:55:17,440 Ferdinand's daughter, Isabella II, 1272 00:55:17,481 --> 00:55:19,442 did indeed rise to the throne. 1273 00:55:19,483 --> 00:55:22,528 But since she was just three years old at the time, 1274 00:55:22,570 --> 00:55:25,448 the affairs of state were handled by a regent. 1275 00:55:25,948 --> 00:55:28,576 One of those was Baldomero Espartero. 1276 00:55:29,618 --> 00:55:33,789 Espartero defended Isabella's claim to the throne vigorously 1277 00:55:33,831 --> 00:55:35,791 against her enemies, the Carlists. 1278 00:55:36,375 --> 00:55:39,420 He was so vigorous in fact, that when Isabella was of age 1279 00:55:39,462 --> 00:55:41,422 to take full control of her throne, 1280 00:55:41,464 --> 00:55:45,760 Espartero decamped to London to cool off for a few years. 1281 00:55:45,801 --> 00:55:48,012 He took his aide Marietta with him. 1282 00:55:48,804 --> 00:55:51,390 While in London, Espartero and Marrieta saw 1283 00:55:51,432 --> 00:55:54,018 how much wine Bordeaux was selling in England. 1284 00:55:54,060 --> 00:55:56,437 As landowners and winemakers themselves, 1285 00:55:56,479 --> 00:55:57,730 they saw opportunity. 1286 00:55:58,355 --> 00:56:00,399 So, Marrieta went to Bordeaux to learn 1287 00:56:00,441 --> 00:56:02,777 and bring that knowledge back to Rioja. 1288 00:56:02,818 --> 00:56:05,321 The result was a big jump in quality. 1289 00:56:06,113 --> 00:56:08,949 And then they were learning winemaking techniques 1290 00:56:08,991 --> 00:56:10,951 from the-- the Bordelaise. 1291 00:56:10,993 --> 00:56:12,495 And when they came back, 1292 00:56:12,536 --> 00:56:14,538 that's when they really instituted 1293 00:56:14,580 --> 00:56:17,708 um, and really started to see more of the usage of oak. 1294 00:56:18,292 --> 00:56:19,960 [Jim] Rioja got another lucky break 1295 00:56:20,002 --> 00:56:21,796 in the middle 19th century 1296 00:56:21,837 --> 00:56:24,298 when their vines fared well against Phylloxera, 1297 00:56:24,340 --> 00:56:26,300 compared to neighboring regions. 1298 00:56:26,342 --> 00:56:28,302 Lots of wine producers from Bordeaux, 1299 00:56:28,344 --> 00:56:30,721 where Phylloxera halted nearly everything, 1300 00:56:30,763 --> 00:56:33,891 moved to Rioja and the industry grew even further. 1301 00:56:34,391 --> 00:56:37,686 Then you saw a lot of winemakers from France 1302 00:56:37,728 --> 00:56:39,438 that actually crossed the border. 1303 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,482 A lot of Bordelaise in particular 1304 00:56:41,524 --> 00:56:43,359 that crossed the border 1305 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,319 and brought techniques with them. 1306 00:56:45,361 --> 00:56:48,030 And of course, one of their most important techniques 1307 00:56:48,072 --> 00:56:49,865 were-- was the use of barrel. So that's-- 1308 00:56:49,907 --> 00:56:52,201 that's why you see this really strong connection 1309 00:56:52,243 --> 00:56:55,913 between Bordeaux and-- and-- and Rioja. 1310 00:56:55,955 --> 00:56:58,874 [Jim] As usual in 20th-century Western Europe, 1311 00:56:58,916 --> 00:57:01,669 everything was interrupted by a couple of wars. 1312 00:57:01,710 --> 00:57:04,630 But in recent decades, Rioja has, again, 1313 00:57:04,672 --> 00:57:07,883 clawed its way back to the forefront of wine. 1314 00:57:07,925 --> 00:57:11,554 ♪ 1315 00:57:20,437 --> 00:57:22,606 [upbeat jazz music] 1316 00:57:31,115 --> 00:57:33,367 [Jim] When we last talked about the US, 1317 00:57:33,409 --> 00:57:34,869 it was providing rootstock 1318 00:57:34,910 --> 00:57:37,163 to help keep European wines alive 1319 00:57:37,204 --> 00:57:41,125 under the threat of Phylloxera at the end of the 19th century. 1320 00:57:42,334 --> 00:57:44,420 A few decades after that came prohibition, 1321 00:57:44,461 --> 00:57:46,505 which was an unqualified success. 1322 00:57:48,007 --> 00:57:49,758 When prohibition was lifted, 1323 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,635 the American wine business could return to normal. 1324 00:57:51,677 --> 00:57:53,470 [overwhelming buzzing] 1325 00:57:53,512 --> 00:57:57,016 But it experienced a moment of existential ennui. 1326 00:57:58,976 --> 00:58:01,645 Sure, the shadow of prohibition was gone, 1327 00:58:01,687 --> 00:58:04,690 but the long shadow of the great European wines 1328 00:58:04,732 --> 00:58:08,194 remained and the US vintners were still in it. 1329 00:58:09,778 --> 00:58:11,989 American wine at the time was a mess. 1330 00:58:13,032 --> 00:58:16,410 The work that the Cistercians had done for Burgundy and wine 1331 00:58:16,452 --> 00:58:18,204 back in the 12th century 1332 00:58:18,245 --> 00:58:20,247 had never been done in California. 1333 00:58:20,289 --> 00:58:23,667 But to be fair, California is huge. 1334 00:58:24,835 --> 00:58:27,504 Way too big to traipse up and down it, 1335 00:58:27,546 --> 00:58:30,466 picking the grapes, studying the soil and the climate, 1336 00:58:30,507 --> 00:58:33,510 making hundreds, thousands of batches of wine, 1337 00:58:33,552 --> 00:58:35,346 and cataloging all results. 1338 00:58:35,888 --> 00:58:39,391 But in 1935 Albert Winkler and Maynard Amerine 1339 00:58:39,433 --> 00:58:41,310 went on and did it anyway. 1340 00:58:43,062 --> 00:58:46,315 World War II had just ended and while people liked to drink, 1341 00:58:46,357 --> 00:58:49,652 they were also very familiar with European doings. 1342 00:58:49,693 --> 00:58:51,153 Winkler advocated for a way 1343 00:58:51,195 --> 00:58:53,781 to break the European mold in America. 1344 00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,283 Why should American wine producers 1345 00:58:56,325 --> 00:58:57,868 be producing a Bordeaux? 1346 00:58:58,410 --> 00:59:01,205 Why not find the best grape for your land 1347 00:59:01,247 --> 00:59:04,166 then make the best wine you can from that grape? 1348 00:59:04,625 --> 00:59:08,087 Maybe instead of Loir drinkers or Tuscan drinkers, 1349 00:59:08,128 --> 00:59:09,922 people could become Chardonnay drinkers 1350 00:59:09,964 --> 00:59:11,465 or Pinot Noir? 1351 00:59:11,507 --> 00:59:14,802 Maybe even, and I recommended it, Merlot. 1352 00:59:15,594 --> 00:59:18,764 Why should anyone who loves Oregon Pinots 1353 00:59:18,806 --> 00:59:21,308 know even where Oregon is? 1354 00:59:21,850 --> 00:59:24,311 All you got to know... 1355 00:59:24,353 --> 00:59:25,854 is that you liked it. 1356 00:59:25,896 --> 00:59:27,898 [Jim] It would be decades 1357 00:59:27,940 --> 00:59:30,234 before the work Winkler and Amerine did 1358 00:59:30,276 --> 00:59:32,069 was emphatically proven right 1359 00:59:32,111 --> 00:59:35,114 at the Judgment of Paris when two American wines 1360 00:59:35,155 --> 00:59:38,784 were judged the winners alongside the best of France. 1361 00:59:38,826 --> 00:59:40,452 Not much has been said about the event, 1362 00:59:40,494 --> 00:59:42,079 so we'll leave it alone, 1363 00:59:42,121 --> 00:59:44,999 but for sure American wine found its voice 1364 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,876 and was at last in full song. 1365 00:59:48,669 --> 00:59:51,505 So that more or less brings us up to date. 1366 00:59:51,547 --> 00:59:52,965 Now, let's talk about where we're going 1367 00:59:53,007 --> 00:59:54,091 and what we've learned. 1368 00:59:54,925 --> 00:59:56,260 I'm a little bit worried about wine. 1369 00:59:56,719 --> 00:59:58,304 I don't think it's going away, 1370 00:59:58,345 --> 01:00:00,639 but I do think the industry faces big changes. 1371 01:00:01,765 --> 01:00:03,309 Wine doesn't happen overnight. 1372 01:00:03,350 --> 01:00:04,768 You can't just, like, put some grapes in the ground 1373 01:00:04,810 --> 01:00:06,353 and then the next thing you know, 1374 01:00:06,395 --> 01:00:07,896 you-- you have, like, a thing that you can sell 1375 01:00:07,938 --> 01:00:09,773 and we can drink it. 1376 01:00:09,815 --> 01:00:11,608 You know, it takes years and years and years 1377 01:00:11,650 --> 01:00:13,485 to build up that and that's gonna be-- 1378 01:00:13,527 --> 01:00:15,571 that's gonna be crushed for a lot of people. 1379 01:00:16,530 --> 01:00:19,908 The-- the places that haven't been doing the best 1380 01:00:19,950 --> 01:00:22,036 will-- will start to come into the forefront. 1381 01:00:22,077 --> 01:00:27,124 New areas will be, you know, kind of like your go-tos, 1382 01:00:27,166 --> 01:00:31,628 and places that we see as the classic style of wine 1383 01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:35,591 will start to, kind of not saying fall apart, 1384 01:00:35,632 --> 01:00:38,510 but they're gonna fall apart. 1385 01:00:38,552 --> 01:00:41,430 Like if we keep seeing fires 1386 01:00:41,472 --> 01:00:45,476 and hail and drought and floods, 1387 01:00:45,517 --> 01:00:47,644 like, we're not gonna have these places 1388 01:00:47,686 --> 01:00:49,480 to talk about anymore. 1389 01:00:49,521 --> 01:00:51,190 [Jim] The Riojas, the Bordeaux? 1390 01:00:51,231 --> 01:00:53,609 The Riojas, the Bordeaux. Riojas' not going anywhere. 1391 01:00:53,650 --> 01:00:55,694 Bordeaux, but Bordeaux-- 1392 01:00:55,736 --> 01:00:57,571 It could become too hot in Spain, 1393 01:00:57,613 --> 01:00:59,448 you know, or it could become too wet 1394 01:00:59,490 --> 01:01:01,909 or there could be that one hail storm 1395 01:01:01,950 --> 01:01:04,495 that finally wipes out Burgundy. 1396 01:01:04,536 --> 01:01:07,206 Like, you know, you just never know what's gonna happen. 1397 01:01:07,247 --> 01:01:08,624 And I think those places 1398 01:01:08,665 --> 01:01:10,250 that we know to make fantastic wines 1399 01:01:10,292 --> 01:01:12,378 are not gonna be-- they're gonna be more expensive, 1400 01:01:12,419 --> 01:01:17,007 of course, the quality is not going to be the same. 1401 01:01:17,049 --> 01:01:19,426 Um, and we're going to find alternative places to go. 1402 01:01:20,511 --> 01:01:22,888 I think from a technical perspective, 1403 01:01:22,930 --> 01:01:24,681 the answers are the same today 1404 01:01:24,723 --> 01:01:26,308 as they were for the Cistercians, 1405 01:01:26,350 --> 01:01:28,852 the Lavoisiers, the Winklers, the Pasteurs, 1406 01:01:28,894 --> 01:01:30,813 everybody who impacted this story. 1407 01:01:30,854 --> 01:01:33,399 You know, they surmounted their challenges and we can too. 1408 01:01:33,982 --> 01:01:35,484 And maybe we can do it in a way 1409 01:01:35,526 --> 01:01:37,736 that doesn't come off as too pretentious. 1410 01:01:38,404 --> 01:01:42,074 We turn now to the Gospel of Gil Kulers. 1411 01:01:42,116 --> 01:01:43,784 Take it away Gil. 1412 01:01:43,826 --> 01:01:46,412 And there are folks who really are sort of haughty 1413 01:01:46,453 --> 01:01:50,916 and they-- they make you think that you're not good enough 1414 01:01:50,958 --> 01:01:52,543 to appreciate a wine like this. 1415 01:01:52,584 --> 01:01:53,710 [organ music playing] 1416 01:01:53,752 --> 01:01:56,880 Man, that really bothers me. 1417 01:01:57,589 --> 01:02:00,551 That's the thing that I really fight against 1418 01:02:00,592 --> 01:02:03,720 because wine comes-- 1419 01:02:03,762 --> 01:02:06,014 since it's 8,000 years old, it's the sacrament. 1420 01:02:06,056 --> 01:02:09,268 It's all these other things. It's a big, big subject. 1421 01:02:11,145 --> 01:02:14,189 It already has its image issues. 1422 01:02:14,231 --> 01:02:17,985 It's already stigmatized, and then you come along 1423 01:02:18,026 --> 01:02:20,779 with your tie and your little testament. 1424 01:02:21,947 --> 01:02:24,950 And you have that body language 1425 01:02:24,992 --> 01:02:27,995 and you're sort of judging someone 1426 01:02:28,036 --> 01:02:31,373 and deciding that they can't possibly enjoy... 1427 01:02:32,416 --> 01:02:34,710 this type of wine. 1428 01:02:36,170 --> 01:02:37,754 I'm not allowed to curse, am I? 1429 01:02:37,796 --> 01:02:39,381 [Jim] Yeah, you're allowed to do whatever you want. 1430 01:02:39,423 --> 01:02:41,175 You can go to heck. 1431 01:02:42,301 --> 01:02:43,427 Um... 1432 01:02:43,469 --> 01:02:44,553 [Jim] Is that cursing? 1433 01:02:45,721 --> 01:02:47,097 It is when I grew up. 1434 01:02:48,348 --> 01:02:50,017 Amen. 1435 01:02:50,058 --> 01:02:51,852 Now, one thing I've learned while making this film 1436 01:02:51,894 --> 01:02:55,814 is that wine experts serve a very important role. 1437 01:02:55,856 --> 01:02:59,401 If you're listening, they'll give you a little story 1438 01:02:59,443 --> 01:03:02,279 to take with you, with your wine wherever you're going. 1439 01:03:02,779 --> 01:03:04,781 So for example, when you show up to the party, 1440 01:03:04,823 --> 01:03:07,201 as you're handing the bottle to the host, 1441 01:03:07,242 --> 01:03:08,702 you can say, "Oh, yeah, 1442 01:03:08,744 --> 01:03:10,245 I thought that one was very interesting. 1443 01:03:10,287 --> 01:03:11,788 It's biodynamic. 1444 01:03:11,830 --> 01:03:13,874 It's a seventh-generation winemaker, 1445 01:03:13,916 --> 01:03:16,168 all female-owned, whatever." 1446 01:03:16,210 --> 01:03:18,420 You didn't know that shit, man. 1447 01:03:18,462 --> 01:03:20,297 You got it from your wine expert. 1448 01:03:20,339 --> 01:03:21,798 And that's okay. 1449 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,842 Remember to take that little story with you. 1450 01:03:23,884 --> 01:03:26,845 It's the most important part of your interaction 1451 01:03:26,887 --> 01:03:28,055 with your wine expert. 1452 01:03:29,264 --> 01:03:30,849 But here's the most important thing 1453 01:03:30,891 --> 01:03:33,519 that I learned about wine while making this film. 1454 01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:37,731 And I invite you to check my math by trying this yourself. 1455 01:03:38,315 --> 01:03:42,611 I asked a lot of people about the best wine that they ever had 1456 01:03:42,653 --> 01:03:45,239 and they all answered in a similar way. 1457 01:03:45,739 --> 01:03:48,534 They begin by describing the setting. 1458 01:03:48,575 --> 01:03:50,744 What time of year it was, what country they were in, 1459 01:03:50,786 --> 01:03:52,246 what the weather was like, 1460 01:03:52,287 --> 01:03:53,956 what friends and loved ones were around. 1461 01:03:54,498 --> 01:03:56,208 But here's the crazy thing. 1462 01:03:56,250 --> 01:03:59,753 Often they forget to mention the nitpicky wine stuff 1463 01:03:59,795 --> 01:04:01,672 like grape and vintage. 1464 01:04:02,798 --> 01:04:05,884 I don't think it's possible to talk about the best wine 1465 01:04:05,926 --> 01:04:09,805 you ever had without describing the setting and the company. 1466 01:04:09,846 --> 01:04:11,473 So what does all this mean? 1467 01:04:11,515 --> 01:04:13,767 Well, it means that when we're looking for wine, 1468 01:04:13,809 --> 01:04:16,645 what we're looking for is not the bottle. 1469 01:04:16,687 --> 01:04:18,063 We're looking for that moment 1470 01:04:18,105 --> 01:04:19,815 when all the other stuff comes together. 1471 01:04:20,566 --> 01:04:21,858 A wine could be part of that moment, 1472 01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:23,235 but it doesn't have to be. 1473 01:04:23,735 --> 01:04:25,112 Now, all this stuff about 1474 01:04:25,153 --> 01:04:27,281 vintages and terroir is interesting. 1475 01:04:27,864 --> 01:04:30,075 But if you really want to enjoy wine, 1476 01:04:30,117 --> 01:04:33,996 keep good people around you, be open to new experiences, 1477 01:04:34,037 --> 01:04:36,415 and if you're having a great experience, 1478 01:04:36,456 --> 01:04:38,083 make sure to notice. 1479 01:04:39,501 --> 01:04:41,295 Oh, and make sure to invite me. 1480 01:04:41,837 --> 01:04:43,880 [upbeat jazz music] 1481 01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:33,096 [music fades] 115344

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