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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:20,645 --> 00:00:25,107 First step is make sure the air pressure is out of them 2 00:00:25,233 --> 00:00:28,319 so they don't blow your face off when you undo the plug. 3 00:00:28,444 --> 00:00:30,530 And then you add the dye. 4 00:00:30,655 --> 00:00:33,115 It's a hypoallergenic powdered food dye. 5 00:00:33,241 --> 00:00:34,742 They used to get it from France. 6 00:00:34,867 --> 00:00:36,285 I don't know where they get it now. 7 00:00:36,410 --> 00:00:39,163 It's FDA-approved. 8 00:00:39,747 --> 00:00:43,584 No more mold. No more maggots in the hoses. 9 00:00:44,210 --> 00:00:47,213 At every venue, you got to find out where the hose hookup is. 10 00:00:47,338 --> 00:00:51,342 Sometimes it's behind the bar, under a sink. 11 00:00:52,969 --> 00:00:54,804 We've had to hook them up to toilets before. 12 00:00:54,929 --> 00:00:58,140 It's, uh, kind of a mess. 13 00:00:59,016 --> 00:01:00,601 We've had a few mishaps. 14 00:01:00,726 --> 00:01:03,604 We've had these connections blow off midshow 15 00:01:03,729 --> 00:01:07,191 and just send a geyser of blood 20 feet in the air. 16 00:01:09,193 --> 00:01:13,447 But, man, people love getting spewed on, and I love doing it. 17 00:01:14,031 --> 00:01:15,575 I never really knew that I enjoyed 18 00:01:15,700 --> 00:01:18,911 just spraying people with blood as much as I do. 19 00:01:25,209 --> 00:01:31,132 GWAR was a big, bawdy, violent, sexual, theatrical rock show. 20 00:01:31,257 --> 00:01:34,260 Basically, they're barbarian interplanetary warriors 21 00:01:34,385 --> 00:01:36,762 who play heavy metal music 22 00:01:36,887 --> 00:01:39,932 and shoot various bodily fluids all over the audience. 23 00:01:40,057 --> 00:01:41,392 That's pretty much GWAR. 24 00:01:41,517 --> 00:01:43,357 They were the scumdogs of the universe, 25 00:01:43,436 --> 00:01:45,479 banished to the shittiest planet they could come to. 26 00:01:45,605 --> 00:01:46,856 Is that... That's the thing? 27 00:01:46,981 --> 00:01:48,774 That part seems pretty accurate. 28 00:01:48,899 --> 00:01:51,277 It's performance art, but it's also... 29 00:01:51,402 --> 00:01:54,614 It's this performance art that doesn't take itself seriously. 30 00:01:54,739 --> 00:01:56,532 It's fucking crazy. 31 00:01:56,657 --> 00:01:59,702 The greatest fucking metal band that ever was... 32 00:01:59,827 --> 00:02:02,580 Alien, human, otherwise. 33 00:02:02,705 --> 00:02:04,433 What you're not seeing is what's going on 34 00:02:04,457 --> 00:02:07,543 behind that stage that's making this whole show work. 35 00:02:07,668 --> 00:02:09,045 And it's people frantically 36 00:02:09,170 --> 00:02:11,714 working their asses off the whole time. 37 00:02:11,839 --> 00:02:15,134 This band is not just musicians. They're artists. 38 00:02:15,259 --> 00:02:17,887 They build and they make everything themselves. 39 00:02:18,012 --> 00:02:22,683 It sounds like a really messy, mindless joke, I suppose, 40 00:02:22,808 --> 00:02:24,268 but in reality, 41 00:02:24,393 --> 00:02:27,313 it's one of the greatest social commentaries ever. 42 00:02:27,438 --> 00:02:29,231 That's sort of the beauty of GWAR 43 00:02:29,357 --> 00:02:30,983 is, as much as they'll say, 44 00:02:31,108 --> 00:02:33,277 "We're here to destroy the human race," 45 00:02:33,402 --> 00:02:34,546 they're actually here to save it. 46 00:02:34,570 --> 00:02:35,890 Listen. You're gonna go. 47 00:02:35,988 --> 00:02:37,507 You're gonna be absolutely entertained. 48 00:02:37,531 --> 00:02:38,991 Some of the stuff may offend you, 49 00:02:39,116 --> 00:02:40,993 so you got to go in there with an open mind. 50 00:02:41,118 --> 00:02:43,329 There's something very punk 51 00:02:43,454 --> 00:02:45,373 and raw about GWAR's art, 52 00:02:45,498 --> 00:02:47,500 and it's not supposed to be safe. 53 00:02:47,625 --> 00:02:50,378 It makes you feel uncomfortable. That's part of it. 54 00:02:50,503 --> 00:02:54,465 It was a really powerful group of awesome artists 55 00:02:54,590 --> 00:02:56,217 converging at the same time. 56 00:02:56,342 --> 00:02:59,428 And it was a joke, and we just kept going with it. 57 00:02:59,553 --> 00:03:00,947 It's like, joke's on everyone else now, 58 00:03:00,971 --> 00:03:03,265 30 years later, you know? 59 00:03:03,391 --> 00:03:06,852 It's a joke with no punch line. 60 00:03:06,977 --> 00:03:10,481 The most amazing, cataclysmic rock-'n"-roll event 61 00:03:10,606 --> 00:03:12,149 of the century, ladies and gentlemen. 62 00:03:12,274 --> 00:03:13,317 This is GWAR. 63 00:03:30,042 --> 00:03:34,213 So, Richmond in the '80s was a conservative city, 64 00:03:34,338 --> 00:03:36,298 capital of the Confederacy. 65 00:03:36,424 --> 00:03:38,968 It was dangerous. It was dirty. 66 00:03:39,093 --> 00:03:41,262 It was a good place to get your ass kicked, 67 00:03:41,387 --> 00:03:42,987 especially if you were a college student, 68 00:03:43,013 --> 00:03:44,890 especially if you were an art student. 69 00:03:45,015 --> 00:03:47,685 There was a pretty happening punk scene 70 00:03:47,810 --> 00:03:50,813 that grew around the art school at VCU... 71 00:03:50,938 --> 00:03:53,149 Virginia Commonwealth University. 72 00:03:53,274 --> 00:03:58,946 ## 73 00:03:59,071 --> 00:04:02,575 Here in Richmond, there's a building called The Dairy. 74 00:04:02,700 --> 00:04:04,076 It's a really bizarre building. 75 00:04:04,201 --> 00:04:06,370 It has milk bottles as corners. 76 00:04:06,495 --> 00:04:08,247 The Dairy was an old 77 00:04:08,372 --> 00:04:10,499 milk-bottling plant from the '20s, 78 00:04:10,624 --> 00:04:13,836 and it had long since fallen into disuse and disrepair. 79 00:04:13,961 --> 00:04:15,588 There was junk everywhere. 80 00:04:15,713 --> 00:04:17,339 There was leftover machinery. 81 00:04:17,465 --> 00:04:19,105 They wanted to gut this building. 82 00:04:19,216 --> 00:04:22,303 And they used to hire a lot of artists to do shit 83 00:04:22,428 --> 00:04:25,639 like tear out the asbestos and shit like that. 84 00:04:25,765 --> 00:04:29,185 And in order to, like, keep the whole project afloat, 85 00:04:29,310 --> 00:04:30,978 they rented the different chambers 86 00:04:31,103 --> 00:04:34,815 of the crazy, mazelike building out to local artists 87 00:04:34,940 --> 00:04:38,319 and musicians who wanted practice spaces and stuff. 88 00:04:42,364 --> 00:04:45,326 Bands started moving in. Weird artists started moving in. 89 00:04:45,451 --> 00:04:47,411 And then there was this whole scene there. 90 00:04:47,536 --> 00:04:49,079 And it was illegal to live there, 91 00:04:49,205 --> 00:04:51,499 but everyone did live there. 92 00:04:51,624 --> 00:04:54,084 And one of those early people was Hunter Jackson. 93 00:04:57,546 --> 00:04:59,649 Hunter was building these weird, crazy costumes 94 00:04:59,673 --> 00:05:01,467 for a science-fiction movie he wanted to do 95 00:05:01,592 --> 00:05:03,677 called "The Scumdogs of the Universe." 96 00:05:03,803 --> 00:05:05,262 Yeah, I graduated. 97 00:05:05,387 --> 00:05:07,147 I have a bachelor's degree in commercial art. 98 00:05:07,223 --> 00:05:09,517 But my teachers hated my art. 99 00:05:09,642 --> 00:05:14,188 I was the exact kind of student that a commercial-art professor 100 00:05:14,313 --> 00:05:17,942 does not want in their class, and that is somebody 101 00:05:18,067 --> 00:05:21,570 that's into fucking comic books and animation. 102 00:05:22,488 --> 00:05:24,073 You know, my teachers didn't do anything 103 00:05:24,198 --> 00:05:25,866 but tell me not to do what I do. 104 00:05:25,991 --> 00:05:28,452 And so there you go. 105 00:05:28,577 --> 00:05:32,331 Hunter got the studio at The Dairy to make props 106 00:05:32,456 --> 00:05:35,501 and have a set that he could just sort of more control over. 107 00:05:35,626 --> 00:05:38,838 Other people in that scene found out about The Dairy through him, 108 00:05:38,963 --> 00:05:40,631 so the type of thing he was looking for 109 00:05:40,756 --> 00:05:42,883 sort of surrounded him. 110 00:05:43,676 --> 00:05:46,971 Hunter and I first met at a friend's house. 111 00:05:47,096 --> 00:05:49,849 And we were playing D&D. 112 00:05:49,974 --> 00:05:53,477 We were into things that weren't considered highbrow. 113 00:05:53,602 --> 00:05:56,397 We liked horror movies. We liked science-fiction novels. 114 00:05:56,522 --> 00:05:59,608 We liked stuff that is considered schlock. 115 00:05:59,733 --> 00:06:02,695 So, guys like me, Hunter Jackson, Chuck, 116 00:06:02,820 --> 00:06:05,197 when we got accepted to VCU, we had highfalutin ideas 117 00:06:05,322 --> 00:06:07,992 of being, you know, fantasy comic book artists. 118 00:06:08,117 --> 00:06:10,202 And once we got into school, 119 00:06:10,327 --> 00:06:12,997 we realized that that shit just doesn't fly. 120 00:06:13,122 --> 00:06:16,458 If you brought a Frazetta wannabe painting into critique, 121 00:06:16,584 --> 00:06:18,210 you're getting shredded. 122 00:06:18,335 --> 00:06:20,629 It really broke down their egos 123 00:06:20,754 --> 00:06:23,424 and said, "The shit that you like is stupid. 124 00:06:23,549 --> 00:06:26,969 Dungeons & Dragons and Japanese live-action pictures 125 00:06:27,094 --> 00:06:29,722 and KISS... That stuff is stupid. 126 00:06:29,847 --> 00:06:31,223 It's not art." 127 00:06:31,348 --> 00:06:33,976 It was natural for us to get together 128 00:06:34,101 --> 00:06:35,352 and want to do something 129 00:06:35,477 --> 00:06:38,314 that really was kind of a big "fuck you" 130 00:06:38,439 --> 00:06:39,648 to the art department. 131 00:06:39,773 --> 00:06:42,026 The movie that they started to make 132 00:06:42,151 --> 00:06:43,527 was "Scumdogs of the Universe," 133 00:06:43,652 --> 00:06:46,488 which they wanted to be more punk rock 134 00:06:46,614 --> 00:06:48,073 and use that sort of energy... 135 00:06:48,198 --> 00:06:51,327 You know, fun and not elitist and alienating. 136 00:06:51,452 --> 00:06:52,995 I wanted my science-fiction movie 137 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:54,872 to have a punk rock soundtrack. 138 00:06:54,997 --> 00:06:56,957 And I liked Death Piggy's music, 139 00:06:57,082 --> 00:06:59,001 and I thought that it would work. 140 00:07:01,879 --> 00:07:04,199 As soon as you got to Richmond, if you were at VCU, 141 00:07:04,256 --> 00:07:05,424 there was a buzz. 142 00:07:05,549 --> 00:07:08,177 There was Death Piggy. 143 00:07:08,302 --> 00:07:11,805 You couldn't not know Death Piggy and Brockie. 144 00:07:11,931 --> 00:07:14,266 We loved them because they were the only punk rock band 145 00:07:14,391 --> 00:07:16,226 that had a sense of humor. 146 00:07:16,352 --> 00:07:20,689 And you would see his graffiti before you met him. 147 00:07:20,814 --> 00:07:23,067 That was just cool. 148 00:07:23,984 --> 00:07:27,404 Dave Brockie had moved down to Richmond to go to VCU, 149 00:07:27,529 --> 00:07:29,740 and he had formed a band called Death Piggy, 150 00:07:29,865 --> 00:07:31,241 which was a punk rock band. 151 00:07:31,367 --> 00:07:33,247 And he was known for his theatrics on the stage. 152 00:07:33,285 --> 00:07:35,579 Like, he would put mayonnaise down his pants, 153 00:07:35,704 --> 00:07:39,124 and he had a pinata that he filled with candy 154 00:07:39,249 --> 00:07:41,460 and quarters and cat shit. 155 00:07:41,585 --> 00:07:44,421 So the audience would beat it, and it broke open. 156 00:07:44,546 --> 00:07:47,091 They all dive to the ground and were clawing through 157 00:07:47,216 --> 00:07:48,884 this mess, trying to find the quarters, 158 00:07:49,009 --> 00:07:51,387 and they're actually going through cat shit 159 00:07:51,512 --> 00:07:52,763 while they're doing it. 160 00:07:52,888 --> 00:07:54,723 It was just like... 161 00:07:54,848 --> 00:07:57,101 My biggest influences throughout all high school 162 00:07:57,226 --> 00:07:58,769 was Monty Python. 163 00:07:58,894 --> 00:08:00,997 I thought it was the most brilliant shit I'd ever seen. 164 00:08:01,021 --> 00:08:03,857 And I really wanted to make fucked-up, weird music. 165 00:08:04,775 --> 00:08:06,694 As long as it was loud and fast 166 00:08:06,819 --> 00:08:11,073 and I could go down and hurt myself, I was into it. 167 00:08:11,198 --> 00:08:13,367 What the fuck is going on? 168 00:08:14,702 --> 00:08:15,702 Hi. 169 00:08:15,744 --> 00:08:16,912 Hello. 170 00:08:17,037 --> 00:08:19,581 Dave Brockie was a funny, 171 00:08:19,707 --> 00:08:23,419 really talented performer who was always on. 172 00:08:23,544 --> 00:08:26,463 I mean, he lived like he was onstage all the time. 173 00:08:26,588 --> 00:08:28,924 And just to know him, he was hilarious. 174 00:08:29,049 --> 00:08:30,884 Yeah. He was my first big love. 175 00:08:31,010 --> 00:08:32,261 Hey, Dave. 176 00:08:32,386 --> 00:08:34,722 He was so creative and smart, 177 00:08:34,847 --> 00:08:37,725 and he had such a big fan base already. 178 00:08:37,850 --> 00:08:39,643 Like, everyone always wanted to be around him 179 00:08:39,768 --> 00:08:41,770 because of his personality. 180 00:08:41,895 --> 00:08:44,255 Every time you were around him, everyone was in a good mood. 181 00:08:44,356 --> 00:08:45,983 You're on film. Face it. 182 00:08:46,108 --> 00:08:48,652 One thing that Dave had in common with me 183 00:08:48,777 --> 00:08:50,988 is that he was willing to get up there 184 00:08:51,113 --> 00:08:53,282 and pretend like he's jerking off 185 00:08:53,407 --> 00:08:55,617 in front of an audience, you know, and shit like that. 186 00:08:55,743 --> 00:09:00,289 Not very many lead singers of a band that want to be cool 187 00:09:00,414 --> 00:09:02,166 are gonna want to do things like that. 188 00:09:02,291 --> 00:09:05,627 But Dave was game for whatever and beyond. 189 00:09:05,753 --> 00:09:08,338 That's one way that Dave and Hunter really connected, 190 00:09:08,464 --> 00:09:11,884 was this sort of eschewing the self-seriousness 191 00:09:12,009 --> 00:09:15,304 that was really worthy only of contempt to them. 192 00:09:15,429 --> 00:09:17,029 I was just like, "Art's great," you know? 193 00:09:17,139 --> 00:09:19,600 And they're like, "No. Art fucking sucks." 194 00:09:19,725 --> 00:09:21,477 People who draw a bunch of squiggly lines 195 00:09:21,602 --> 00:09:24,146 and then stand next to it and smoke cigarettes and act cool, 196 00:09:24,271 --> 00:09:25,522 those people suck. 197 00:09:25,647 --> 00:09:26,857 They hated that. 198 00:09:26,982 --> 00:09:28,734 They wanted to destroy that. 199 00:09:28,859 --> 00:09:31,987 He shared a lot of the sense of humor that I had 200 00:09:32,112 --> 00:09:34,573 about crazy, over-the-top stuff. 201 00:09:34,698 --> 00:09:36,658 And that's why we clung together, 202 00:09:36,784 --> 00:09:40,871 because in a way we were driven by the same demons. 203 00:09:42,664 --> 00:09:44,291 Death Piggy's recording studio 204 00:09:44,416 --> 00:09:46,210 was just on the other side of the wall 205 00:09:46,335 --> 00:09:48,420 from the original slave pit that Hunter and I had. 206 00:09:48,545 --> 00:09:51,048 And it was inevitable that we would meet. 207 00:09:51,173 --> 00:09:53,026 So, we're over there at the slave pit, 208 00:09:53,050 --> 00:09:55,385 working on Hunter Jackson's movie, 209 00:09:55,511 --> 00:09:57,721 and Dave Brockie comes over, and he says, 210 00:09:57,846 --> 00:09:59,515 "Hey, I've got a great idea. 211 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,725 What if we borrow these costumes 212 00:10:01,850 --> 00:10:06,563 and we open for ourselves as this insane barbarian band?" 213 00:10:06,688 --> 00:10:09,149 Hunter's making these props and sets for a movie. 214 00:10:09,274 --> 00:10:11,944 Dave's in this crazy performance punk band. 215 00:10:12,069 --> 00:10:14,655 And Dave says, "Hey, I'll wear that stupid shit onstage 216 00:10:14,780 --> 00:10:16,198 and see what happens." 217 00:10:16,323 --> 00:10:20,953 "We'll call it... GWA-A-A-A-RGGH." 218 00:10:28,585 --> 00:10:30,254 The first couple times we tried it, 219 00:10:30,379 --> 00:10:33,757 I would just show up with all the stuff in a garbage bag. 220 00:10:33,882 --> 00:10:36,218 Everybody would just put shit on. 221 00:10:36,343 --> 00:10:38,554 Dave would just borrow musicians 222 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,807 from here, there, everywhere within The Dairy. 223 00:10:41,932 --> 00:10:43,267 They'd get up onstage 224 00:10:43,392 --> 00:10:46,019 having probably practiced the music once or twice. 225 00:10:46,145 --> 00:10:48,105 They hardly knew the songs at all. 226 00:10:48,230 --> 00:10:50,899 Those first few shows were very awkward. 227 00:10:51,024 --> 00:10:54,194 We had never done anything like that, so we had... 228 00:10:54,319 --> 00:10:56,446 If you can imagine... A kind of a stage fright. 229 00:10:56,572 --> 00:10:58,907 I think we've almost got the problem solved, 230 00:10:59,032 --> 00:11:00,367 ladies and gentlemen. 231 00:11:00,492 --> 00:11:02,244 And we're gonna play that first song again 232 00:11:02,369 --> 00:11:05,414 because it was so bad. 233 00:11:05,539 --> 00:11:08,458 I kept trying to justify doing this by saying, 234 00:11:08,584 --> 00:11:10,460 "Oh, this is gonna be a scene in my movie." 235 00:11:10,586 --> 00:11:13,088 And I had these characters that I had created. 236 00:11:13,213 --> 00:11:15,799 But then people would start playing those characters, 237 00:11:15,924 --> 00:11:17,259 and they would take the character 238 00:11:17,384 --> 00:11:18,886 in their own direction. 239 00:11:19,011 --> 00:11:21,763 The idea of "Scumdogs of the Universe"... 240 00:11:21,889 --> 00:11:24,683 The barbarians from outer space get stranded on Earth. 241 00:11:24,808 --> 00:11:28,896 And then they're slowly sort of sucked away into adult life. 242 00:11:29,021 --> 00:11:31,690 One of them gets a girlfriend. One of them becomes a stoner. 243 00:11:31,815 --> 00:11:33,734 One of them joins a rock band. 244 00:11:33,859 --> 00:11:35,611 Death Piggy was gonna be the rock band. 245 00:11:35,736 --> 00:11:37,905 But you pitch anything like that to Dave Brockie, 246 00:11:38,030 --> 00:11:40,866 and he's gonna take it over, which is what he did. 247 00:11:56,089 --> 00:11:58,675 Without Dave, it's not a band, 248 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,887 and without Hunter, it's not space barbarians. 249 00:12:02,012 --> 00:12:06,391 So the two of them and their ideas colliding together 250 00:12:06,516 --> 00:12:09,353 was this kind of supernatural event. 251 00:12:09,478 --> 00:12:11,605 Immediately, everybody in Richmond loved it. 252 00:12:11,730 --> 00:12:12,773 They loved it. 253 00:12:12,898 --> 00:12:14,900 And GWAR blew up after that. 254 00:12:15,025 --> 00:12:17,069 You really got to give credit to Hunter 255 00:12:17,194 --> 00:12:20,572 and his brilliance and Brockie and his energy. 256 00:12:20,697 --> 00:12:24,701 Two stars hit, and then it was like, "Boom." 257 00:12:24,826 --> 00:12:26,626 They couldn't have done it without each other. 258 00:12:27,704 --> 00:12:30,207 It was a pretty quick snowball 259 00:12:30,332 --> 00:12:32,960 of this movie starting to roll down a hill 260 00:12:33,085 --> 00:12:34,645 and then all these people jumping on it, 261 00:12:34,753 --> 00:12:36,463 getting bigger and bigger and bigger. 262 00:12:36,588 --> 00:12:38,215 We had a lot of creative people 263 00:12:38,340 --> 00:12:40,884 that were just basically moving in and setting up shop, 264 00:12:41,009 --> 00:12:42,928 and no one was saying no to them. 265 00:12:43,053 --> 00:12:44,721 And if we had said no, 266 00:12:44,846 --> 00:12:47,849 maybe GWAR never would've been as cool as it was, you know? 267 00:12:47,975 --> 00:12:51,812 So I will defend our open-house policy of misfit artists 268 00:12:51,937 --> 00:12:53,855 till the end. 269 00:13:01,863 --> 00:13:05,575 Halloween 1986, GWAR plays their biggest show to date 270 00:13:05,701 --> 00:13:08,287 in a big commons area in the middle of VCU. 271 00:13:08,412 --> 00:13:09,746 It was called Shafer Court. 272 00:13:09,871 --> 00:13:11,415 Iggy Pop played there. 273 00:13:11,540 --> 00:13:13,625 A lot of big touring bands played there. 274 00:13:13,750 --> 00:13:14,990 And that place would be packed. 275 00:13:15,085 --> 00:13:16,878 There'd be 500 to 1,000 people there. 276 00:13:17,004 --> 00:13:21,758 So when they hired GWAR to play Halloween, 277 00:13:21,883 --> 00:13:24,177 that was a really big deal for us. 278 00:13:25,846 --> 00:13:27,646 All of us worked together really hard 279 00:13:27,764 --> 00:13:29,599 to make this one particular show. 280 00:13:29,725 --> 00:13:32,185 And we were gonna debut a lot of stuff. 281 00:13:32,311 --> 00:13:35,522 A giant dinosaur and a cockroach come out and fight. 282 00:13:35,647 --> 00:13:37,691 Terrorists take over the stage. 283 00:13:37,816 --> 00:13:40,235 Every GWAR villain comes out. 284 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,738 A giant airplane engine falls out of the sky 285 00:13:42,863 --> 00:13:45,115 and lands onstage and kills people. 286 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,326 Boom! It was so awesome. 287 00:13:47,451 --> 00:13:48,869 It was so awesome. 288 00:13:48,994 --> 00:13:50,754 I think we all came away from that 289 00:13:50,829 --> 00:13:53,957 with a feeling that "This isn't just a joke band anymore. 290 00:13:54,082 --> 00:13:56,168 This thing really has potential." 291 00:13:56,293 --> 00:13:58,795 I remember feeling like, "This is what I want to do. 292 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,007 This is gonna be huge." 293 00:14:02,132 --> 00:14:06,470 So, Dave and I broke up, and anybody who was near us 294 00:14:06,595 --> 00:14:08,805 hated to be around us when we were in the same room. 295 00:14:10,932 --> 00:14:14,186 They had a meeting, and everybody voted me out. 296 00:14:14,311 --> 00:14:16,646 And I was like, "I'm gonna be strong." 297 00:14:16,772 --> 00:14:18,982 And I'm like, "Have a good life." 298 00:14:19,107 --> 00:14:23,195 But I knew GWAR had so much brilliance in it, 299 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,489 and so I was really disappointed. 300 00:14:25,614 --> 00:14:28,200 But, you know, that's life. 301 00:14:29,576 --> 00:14:31,536 During the beginning part of GWAR, 302 00:14:31,661 --> 00:14:36,249 a lot of it was financed by my job as a prison guard. 303 00:14:36,375 --> 00:14:39,544 I got an offer to move to Detroit. 304 00:14:39,669 --> 00:14:41,671 And me, a little boy from the sticks 305 00:14:41,797 --> 00:14:44,800 who always wanted to live in the big city, I couldn't resist, 306 00:14:44,925 --> 00:14:47,844 and I took off for Detroit for a year. 307 00:14:47,969 --> 00:14:49,489 Literally, they said, "Okay. 308 00:14:49,596 --> 00:14:51,236 At Shafer Court, we're gonna get serious.� 309 00:14:51,348 --> 00:14:54,518 And then, a month later, everybody quits. 310 00:14:54,643 --> 00:14:57,020 Hunter decided to move to Detroit, 311 00:14:57,145 --> 00:14:58,688 and all the musicians quit. 312 00:14:58,814 --> 00:15:00,732 We don't even have the costumes anymore, 313 00:15:00,857 --> 00:15:02,484 because Hunter took those as well. 314 00:15:02,609 --> 00:15:05,737 That was horrible, because we had no idea. 315 00:15:05,862 --> 00:15:07,406 We thought everything was going great, 316 00:15:07,531 --> 00:15:09,282 and we had this great show at Shafer Court, 317 00:15:09,408 --> 00:15:11,618 and, all of a sudden, we were losing, like, 318 00:15:11,743 --> 00:15:14,162 our most talented people. 319 00:15:14,287 --> 00:15:16,456 Don and Dave basically said, 320 00:15:16,581 --> 00:15:18,375 "Well, we're gonna do this. 321 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:20,585 Don's gonna be in charge of the art department now. 322 00:15:20,710 --> 00:15:23,505 We're gonna find a whole new band and some new artists, 323 00:15:23,630 --> 00:15:25,340 and we're gonna make this work." 324 00:15:25,465 --> 00:15:27,676 Don was really instrumental 325 00:15:27,801 --> 00:15:30,429 in bringing new technologies to GWAR. 326 00:15:30,554 --> 00:15:33,432 He always wanted the style to be more polished 327 00:15:33,557 --> 00:15:35,600 and more professional-looking. 328 00:15:35,725 --> 00:15:38,228 One of the biggest breakthroughs was latex rubber. 329 00:15:38,353 --> 00:15:40,897 Don used it to make the Chernobyl cockroach. 330 00:15:41,022 --> 00:15:44,860 And the next thing you know, we have latex in our blood. 331 00:15:44,985 --> 00:15:47,696 All the new characters were made by Don and Chuck 332 00:15:47,821 --> 00:15:48,821 right then. 333 00:16:00,375 --> 00:16:02,419 Hunter would take blood balloons. 334 00:16:02,544 --> 00:16:04,504 He'd put Karo syrup and food dye 335 00:16:04,629 --> 00:16:06,840 into these water balloons. 336 00:16:06,965 --> 00:16:11,511 And he would tape them onto one of the spikes of a mace. 337 00:16:13,221 --> 00:16:14,723 # GWAR, GWAR, GWAR, GWAR, GWAR # 338 00:16:14,848 --> 00:16:16,349 That was okay. 339 00:16:16,475 --> 00:16:18,518 But we were thinking, "Okay. What else can we add?" 340 00:16:18,643 --> 00:16:22,522 And I took a hot water bottle and ran a tube 341 00:16:22,647 --> 00:16:24,191 out to the shoulder here. 342 00:16:24,316 --> 00:16:26,359 You're my hero, man! I've always wanted to meet you! 343 00:16:26,485 --> 00:16:29,029 If I could just shake your hand, man. 344 00:16:31,156 --> 00:16:34,910 And I squeezed the water bottle and spewed blood. 345 00:16:35,035 --> 00:16:36,679 I think I might have reached somebody in the front row. 346 00:16:36,703 --> 00:16:37,746 I don't know. 347 00:16:37,871 --> 00:16:40,207 But from then on, it was just like, 348 00:16:40,332 --> 00:16:41,732 "Where can we do this effect again?" 349 00:16:41,833 --> 00:16:43,513 And, "Why sit there and use a water bottle? 350 00:16:43,627 --> 00:16:46,796 Let's do pressurization in a fire extinguisher." 351 00:16:46,922 --> 00:16:49,132 So we started stealing fire extinguishers 352 00:16:49,257 --> 00:16:51,134 from the VCU campus. 353 00:16:51,259 --> 00:16:53,345 And that's the way we've been doing it ever since, 354 00:16:53,470 --> 00:16:57,098 just getting bigger and bigger canisters to pressurize 355 00:16:57,224 --> 00:16:58,558 and shoot spew. 356 00:16:58,683 --> 00:17:01,186 It was just a cornucopia 357 00:17:01,311 --> 00:17:03,146 of body fluids spraying all over the audience. 358 00:17:03,271 --> 00:17:04,665 I was like, "What? You can't do tha... 359 00:17:04,689 --> 00:17:06,024 You can do that?" 360 00:17:06,149 --> 00:17:08,193 It was, like, very cathartic. 361 00:17:08,318 --> 00:17:10,779 When you go to a GWAR show, in 90 minutes, 362 00:17:10,904 --> 00:17:14,366 you're gonna get to see everyone you hated that year get killed. 363 00:17:14,491 --> 00:17:17,244 You get to see a lot of the evil in the world 364 00:17:17,369 --> 00:17:18,495 get their comeuppance. 365 00:17:18,620 --> 00:17:20,664 You get blood shot at you, 366 00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:23,625 and you don't know who's getting decapitated next. 367 00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:26,336 And it's just this blur of performance art 368 00:17:26,461 --> 00:17:28,129 rather than a rock show. 369 00:17:28,255 --> 00:17:30,465 And it's lowbrow, and it's nasty, 370 00:17:30,590 --> 00:17:32,801 and it's fun. 371 00:17:32,926 --> 00:17:35,086 If there was somebody who wanted to go see a GWAR show, 372 00:17:35,136 --> 00:17:37,448 and they didn't know anything about them, I would just say... 373 00:17:37,472 --> 00:17:39,641 I'd give them a new T-shirt, and I'd say, 374 00:17:39,766 --> 00:17:41,518 "This is just what everyone does." 375 00:17:41,643 --> 00:17:45,355 I'd just watch him as he just gets pelted with come and blood 376 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,149 and various combinations of the two. 377 00:17:48,275 --> 00:17:49,752 And when they see you up front 378 00:17:49,776 --> 00:17:51,653 and they know you're standing there, 379 00:17:51,778 --> 00:17:53,947 they're gonna fuck with you on purpose. 380 00:17:54,072 --> 00:17:55,925 If you're going up front, you're gonna be covered. 381 00:17:55,949 --> 00:17:58,785 I don't want to consider myself some sort of dandy, 382 00:17:58,910 --> 00:18:01,079 but I might be the guy 383 00:18:01,204 --> 00:18:02,848 who, when you're like, "Hey, you like GWAR? 384 00:18:02,872 --> 00:18:04,308 I'm like, "Oh, yeah. Yeah. For sure." 385 00:18:04,332 --> 00:18:05,685 They're like, "Do you want to go see GWAR 386 00:18:05,709 --> 00:18:07,252 and stand right up close?" 387 00:18:07,377 --> 00:18:10,088 I don't know. I don't know if I do. 388 00:18:10,213 --> 00:18:13,967 One time we played... I think it was The Tabernacle, 389 00:18:14,092 --> 00:18:16,052 and the club was, like, so apologetic. 390 00:18:16,177 --> 00:18:18,197 They're like, "You can't set up for another couple hours 391 00:18:18,221 --> 00:18:19,615 'cause we're still cleaning up the blood 392 00:18:19,639 --> 00:18:21,433 from the GWAR show last night." 393 00:18:21,558 --> 00:18:23,727 They make a mess. 394 00:18:23,852 --> 00:18:27,564 You figure, if you're gonna do a show, you put on a show. 395 00:18:36,531 --> 00:18:39,576 Dave decided it was time to get a real band. 396 00:18:39,701 --> 00:18:41,661 And there was this new kid in high school 397 00:18:41,786 --> 00:18:43,389 who was playing in this band called The Guilty, 398 00:18:43,413 --> 00:18:44,813 and everybody was talking about him. 399 00:18:44,914 --> 00:18:46,475 It was like, "Oh, have you seen The Guilty?" 400 00:18:46,499 --> 00:18:48,126 It's like, "Beefcake, man. 401 00:18:48,251 --> 00:18:50,295 This kid Beefcake. He's crazy. 402 00:18:50,420 --> 00:18:52,300 He's like... He plays bass like I've never seen. 403 00:18:52,339 --> 00:18:54,466 He uses his fingers, and he's all over the place." 404 00:18:54,591 --> 00:18:55,884 Everybody respected him 'cause 405 00:18:56,009 --> 00:18:57,569 he was the best bass player in Richmond. 406 00:18:57,636 --> 00:18:59,512 And so he stole Beefcake out of The Guilty 407 00:18:59,638 --> 00:19:02,682 and out of high school and said, "You're gonna be in my band." 408 00:19:02,807 --> 00:19:03,933 Hate me? 409 00:19:04,059 --> 00:19:05,935 There's a lot to hate there. 410 00:19:06,061 --> 00:19:07,228 Yeah, really. 411 00:19:07,354 --> 00:19:09,105 There's too much of me to hate. 412 00:19:09,230 --> 00:19:10,523 Beefcake the Mighty... 413 00:19:10,649 --> 00:19:12,984 When I was in the punk scene in Richmond, 414 00:19:13,109 --> 00:19:17,030 I gave myself a punk name, which was Beefcake. 415 00:19:17,155 --> 00:19:18,990 Everybody knew him, you know? 416 00:19:19,115 --> 00:19:20,950 He's a kid that would walk in, 417 00:19:21,076 --> 00:19:23,119 and they'd go, "Oh, it's Beefcake. Hey!" 418 00:19:23,244 --> 00:19:25,455 The local pizza place, he would walk in. 419 00:19:25,580 --> 00:19:28,750 "It's Beefcake! Hey! Slices! Slices! Beefcake!" 420 00:19:28,875 --> 00:19:30,335 It's very tacky. 421 00:19:30,460 --> 00:19:32,021 Are you ready to wander across the street? 422 00:19:32,045 --> 00:19:33,689 - I would never wear it. - So he was the only one 423 00:19:33,713 --> 00:19:35,399 who didn't have to come up with a stage name, 424 00:19:35,423 --> 00:19:36,925 because they just said, 425 00:19:37,050 --> 00:19:38,802 "You can be Beefcake, 'cause that'll work." 426 00:19:38,927 --> 00:19:40,762 Thank you. I am Beefcake the Mighty. 427 00:19:40,887 --> 00:19:42,639 And the purpose of GWAR is, of course, 428 00:19:42,764 --> 00:19:45,850 as you can tell from our accoutrement, to destroy. 429 00:19:45,975 --> 00:19:47,815 So they put together all these musicians 430 00:19:47,936 --> 00:19:50,480 and actually wrote 15 punk rock songs 431 00:19:50,605 --> 00:19:52,107 and went up there and recorded it. 432 00:19:52,232 --> 00:19:54,317 And we were really proud of it. 433 00:19:54,442 --> 00:19:58,029 I remember first hearing it. I thought it sounded pretty bad. 434 00:19:58,154 --> 00:20:00,490 # 'Cause we are GWAR # 435 00:20:00,615 --> 00:20:03,118 # We've got guitars # 436 00:20:03,243 --> 00:20:05,537 # We'll eat your car # 437 00:20:05,662 --> 00:20:06,996 # GWAR, GWAR, GWAR, GWAR # 438 00:20:07,122 --> 00:20:09,541 We got it done. We were all excited. 439 00:20:09,666 --> 00:20:11,751 We had a big listening party. 440 00:20:11,876 --> 00:20:14,379 And we just sat there and dropped the needle on it, 441 00:20:14,504 --> 00:20:17,382 and it finishes, and everybody is like... 442 00:20:17,507 --> 00:20:19,551 "Oh, dude. That just sucks." 443 00:20:19,676 --> 00:20:21,553 Yeah. I mean, it was horrible. 444 00:20:21,678 --> 00:20:23,078 It sounded like it was coming out of 445 00:20:23,138 --> 00:20:25,432 a fucking Japanese transistor radio. 446 00:20:29,769 --> 00:20:32,063 That idea of wanting to demonstrate 447 00:20:32,188 --> 00:20:33,356 that you're a good player 448 00:20:33,481 --> 00:20:35,275 because you're also in this costume, 449 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,610 that kind of shaped the way that the band sounded. 450 00:20:37,736 --> 00:20:40,613 And the result was kind of awful. 451 00:20:43,324 --> 00:20:45,368 The band was just dumb. 452 00:20:45,493 --> 00:20:49,873 And it really wasn't until we started thinking about the band 453 00:20:49,998 --> 00:20:51,750 in a more serious way... 454 00:20:51,875 --> 00:20:53,543 You know, the people that are out there 455 00:20:53,668 --> 00:20:55,962 doing really good music right now. 456 00:20:56,087 --> 00:20:57,255 We got those guys. 457 00:21:04,471 --> 00:21:07,974 My name is Balsac the Jaws of Death. 458 00:21:08,099 --> 00:21:10,560 I didn't think I was a punk rocker at all. 459 00:21:10,685 --> 00:21:14,814 I was just a kid who played guitar and liked weird stuff. 460 00:21:14,939 --> 00:21:17,859 Brockie liked that I made weird faces with my jaw. 461 00:21:17,984 --> 00:21:21,029 'Cause, like, when I played, I would do a lot of that stuff, 462 00:21:21,154 --> 00:21:23,406 which is funny, because I put on a mask, 463 00:21:23,531 --> 00:21:26,159 and nobody could ever see what I look like when I play guitar. 464 00:21:29,871 --> 00:21:33,082 Mike Bishop calls me up, and we set up an audition. 465 00:21:33,208 --> 00:21:34,834 And there's two other guys 466 00:21:34,959 --> 00:21:36,669 that are gonna audition the same day. 467 00:21:36,795 --> 00:21:39,380 And one guy doesn't have a kit, so he's gonna play my kit. 468 00:21:39,506 --> 00:21:41,299 He played the audition first. 469 00:21:41,424 --> 00:21:43,009 And then I just went up 470 00:21:43,134 --> 00:21:44,928 and just whipped his ass on my own set. 471 00:21:45,053 --> 00:21:46,971 It wasn't that hard to do, 472 00:21:47,096 --> 00:21:49,641 'cause he wasn't familiar with my drum setup, but I was. 473 00:21:49,766 --> 00:21:51,351 And I just listened to what he played, 474 00:21:51,476 --> 00:21:53,436 and then I just went in and did it better. 475 00:21:54,979 --> 00:21:57,148 I was like, "Oh, this is a great opportunity. 476 00:21:57,273 --> 00:21:59,776 I could use GWAR as a stepping-stone 477 00:21:59,901 --> 00:22:01,361 to a career in music." 478 00:22:01,486 --> 00:22:04,906 And, you know, 30 years later... I'm still in GWAR. 479 00:22:06,783 --> 00:22:08,677 I was checking out the GWAR shows and everything. 480 00:22:08,701 --> 00:22:10,954 And I'd be bouncing off the walls and stuff. 481 00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:13,289 And that's kind of where they saw, like, "Oh, wow. 482 00:22:13,414 --> 00:22:14,916 Danielle's this crazy dancer." 483 00:22:15,041 --> 00:22:16,501 I think they came over to my house 484 00:22:16,626 --> 00:22:18,086 like in the middle of the night, 485 00:22:18,211 --> 00:22:20,296 like, "Danielle, we need you to go to this show." 486 00:22:20,421 --> 00:22:22,173 I mean, I was in college and everything, 487 00:22:22,298 --> 00:22:24,735 so I didn't really think it was gonna be, like, a career move. 488 00:22:24,759 --> 00:22:26,636 I just was like, "Okay. 489 00:22:26,761 --> 00:22:29,013 I'm going to New York this weekend," you know? 490 00:22:30,598 --> 00:22:32,183 Before I had joined the band, 491 00:22:32,308 --> 00:22:33,908 the character had been called GWAR Woman. 492 00:22:33,977 --> 00:22:36,187 And I really wanted to give her a name. 493 00:22:36,312 --> 00:22:39,023 I always liked men's fear of menstruation, 494 00:22:39,148 --> 00:22:41,317 like, "Don't have your dad buy tampons.� 495 00:22:41,442 --> 00:22:43,403 It's just kind of a stigma in our culture, 496 00:22:43,528 --> 00:22:44,964 and it's just something that happens. 497 00:22:44,988 --> 00:22:47,699 So you're a sex symbol with this bloody crotch. 498 00:22:47,824 --> 00:22:51,202 It's kind of like, "Ew. How sexy," you know? 499 00:22:53,204 --> 00:22:57,458 So, Slymenstra Hymen. 500 00:22:59,085 --> 00:23:00,795 When they decided that they we're gonna do 501 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,882 the Techno Destructo song, I wanted to come back. 502 00:23:04,591 --> 00:23:07,594 One day, Dave saw him coming down the street 503 00:23:07,719 --> 00:23:11,556 with his giant stilts... 8 1/2 feet, 9 feet tall... 504 00:23:11,681 --> 00:23:13,241 Walking down the street, coming at Dave. 505 00:23:13,349 --> 00:23:15,268 Dave was like, "Oh, my God!" 506 00:23:15,393 --> 00:23:16,603 It was terrifying. 507 00:23:16,728 --> 00:23:18,080 I think Dave, right then and there, 508 00:23:18,104 --> 00:23:19,480 knew he wasn't gonna argue. 509 00:23:19,606 --> 00:23:23,276 Hunter wanted to be back in the band, so, "Okay." 510 00:23:23,401 --> 00:23:24,527 I will always come back, 511 00:23:24,652 --> 00:23:27,447 no matter how many times they cheat, lie, 512 00:23:27,572 --> 00:23:29,407 and use deceitful tactics against me. 513 00:23:29,532 --> 00:23:31,409 Hunter was totally autobiographical 514 00:23:31,534 --> 00:23:34,370 about anything he conceptually came up with. 515 00:23:34,495 --> 00:23:37,790 Techno Destructo was here to get control of GWAR again. 516 00:23:37,916 --> 00:23:39,436 And if he couldn't get control of them, 517 00:23:39,542 --> 00:23:40,877 he was going to destroy them. 518 00:23:42,503 --> 00:23:45,048 You don't have to be Freud to fucking figure that one out. 519 00:23:45,173 --> 00:23:47,842 One of these days, GWAR will be destroyed. 520 00:23:47,967 --> 00:23:51,471 My attitude was like, "You've been gone for a year. 521 00:23:51,596 --> 00:23:53,139 You haven't been working. 522 00:23:53,264 --> 00:23:56,017 You dropped a notch or two on the ladder." 523 00:23:56,142 --> 00:23:59,395 Now Don and Chuck can say, like, "Oh, we've got..." 524 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:00,998 What did they say? "...skin in the game now, 525 00:24:01,022 --> 00:24:03,232 because we've created these new characters." 526 00:24:03,358 --> 00:24:06,736 It's like, "This is a real collective going on here." 527 00:24:07,612 --> 00:24:09,113 I always wanted to be an artist. 528 00:24:09,238 --> 00:24:10,949 And I thought that art school 529 00:24:11,074 --> 00:24:12,951 was gonna be very different than it was. 530 00:24:13,076 --> 00:24:16,329 I expected it to be a little more weird. 531 00:24:16,454 --> 00:24:17,747 I went to Dave. 532 00:24:17,872 --> 00:24:19,350 I went into his office, and I was like, 533 00:24:19,374 --> 00:24:20,851 "I want to join the band. I'm quitting art school." 534 00:24:20,875 --> 00:24:22,335 And he was like, "Well, you know, 535 00:24:22,460 --> 00:24:24,271 I don't want to fuck your life up or anything." 536 00:24:24,295 --> 00:24:28,424 And I was like, "Dude, I'll go back to art school. 537 00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:29,884 You know, it'll still be there. 538 00:24:30,009 --> 00:24:32,220 But GWAR is doing stuff, and I'm getting paid." 539 00:24:32,345 --> 00:24:33,781 So he was like, "All right. Fair enough." 540 00:24:33,805 --> 00:24:35,056 That was it. 541 00:24:35,181 --> 00:24:38,226 Okay, Matt. Hold up your number. 542 00:24:38,351 --> 00:24:41,437 I met Matt Maguire, and we had a lot in common. 543 00:24:41,562 --> 00:24:44,190 And I was hoping that he and I could collaborate 544 00:24:44,315 --> 00:24:46,401 on some of my crazy wrestling comics and stuff, 545 00:24:46,526 --> 00:24:49,696 "cause he had some wrestling comics that he had been doing. 546 00:24:49,821 --> 00:24:52,573 But then he was really hot to get into GWAR. 547 00:24:52,699 --> 00:24:54,659 The first show I went to, that was it. 548 00:24:54,784 --> 00:24:56,077 I was hooked. 549 00:24:56,202 --> 00:24:57,922 I was just like, "This is freakin' amazing." 550 00:24:57,996 --> 00:24:59,455 I was in high school or whatever. 551 00:24:59,580 --> 00:25:01,791 Just, "Oh, my gosh! Look at all this cool stuff! 552 00:25:01,916 --> 00:25:03,376 There's this chick blowing fire. 553 00:25:03,501 --> 00:25:05,461 And this is happening, and heads are flying off." 554 00:25:05,586 --> 00:25:07,964 Matt was Hunter's assistant, 555 00:25:08,089 --> 00:25:11,050 and Hunter liked to keep Matt away from us. 556 00:25:11,175 --> 00:25:15,430 But as we realized how good of an artist Matt is, it was like, 557 00:25:15,555 --> 00:25:18,016 "Well, we're all hanging out in the back room, 558 00:25:18,141 --> 00:25:19,475 like, having a blast."� 559 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,078 So when he stopped working for Hunter, 560 00:25:21,102 --> 00:25:22,770 he'd come back there and hang out with us, 561 00:25:22,895 --> 00:25:24,355 and Hunter would get all mad. 562 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,399 But Don was always just like, "Well, fuck that." 563 00:25:26,524 --> 00:25:29,027 It's hard for me to think how Hunter must have felt 564 00:25:29,152 --> 00:25:31,821 having this vision about a movie... 565 00:25:31,946 --> 00:25:34,949 This was originally what GWAR was, was his movie... 566 00:25:35,074 --> 00:25:37,201 Taken over by the band 567 00:25:37,326 --> 00:25:39,412 where Dave gets to shine and Hunter doesn't. 568 00:25:39,537 --> 00:25:41,097 So what do you really want to do? 569 00:25:41,205 --> 00:25:43,750 Well, I don't know. Whatever you guys want me to do. 570 00:25:43,875 --> 00:25:45,960 I was doing the mail order at that point, 571 00:25:46,085 --> 00:25:47,837 sitting there, licking stamps. 572 00:25:47,962 --> 00:25:52,216 You do every single bit of grunt work that nobody wanted to do. 573 00:25:52,341 --> 00:25:55,219 That's how you made yourself useful to the band. 574 00:25:55,344 --> 00:25:57,096 They got the shittiest jobs, 575 00:25:57,221 --> 00:25:59,015 and they had to suffer. 576 00:25:59,140 --> 00:26:01,184 They put up with it for years. 577 00:26:01,309 --> 00:26:03,394 Bob and Matt, they earned their chops. 578 00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:06,272 Gosh, I hope it was worth it. 579 00:26:06,397 --> 00:26:09,150 Let us toast our glorious destiny. 580 00:26:21,913 --> 00:26:23,831 He's ready. 581 00:26:23,956 --> 00:26:26,626 Hey, Dave. All right. Hey. You ready to go? 582 00:26:26,751 --> 00:26:28,187 - Yeah! - Ready to rock 'n' roll? 583 00:26:31,714 --> 00:26:33,299 GWAR, in the early days, 584 00:26:33,424 --> 00:26:36,469 had these International Harvester school buses 585 00:26:36,594 --> 00:26:37,762 that they traveled in. 586 00:26:37,887 --> 00:26:39,430 We tore all the seats out. 587 00:26:39,555 --> 00:26:41,808 So you go in, and there's two couches facing each other, 588 00:26:41,933 --> 00:26:43,392 and that's where you hang out. 589 00:26:43,518 --> 00:26:46,020 And then there was a plywood loft, 590 00:26:46,145 --> 00:26:48,231 and there was upper sleeping and lower sleeping. 591 00:26:48,356 --> 00:26:50,733 We just all slept in there like dogs, 592 00:26:50,858 --> 00:26:52,693 you know, like just animals herded together. 593 00:26:52,819 --> 00:26:56,114 We painted the school bus. It was just covered in graffiti. 594 00:26:56,239 --> 00:27:00,409 The top of it said "Ed Gein's mom's car" on it. 595 00:27:00,535 --> 00:27:02,870 And so we would get pulled over a lot. 596 00:27:02,995 --> 00:27:05,123 The damn thing only went 55 miles an hour 597 00:27:05,248 --> 00:27:08,084 'cause it had a governor on it 'cause it was a school bus. 598 00:27:08,209 --> 00:27:10,044 It was like the Partridge Family on acid, 599 00:27:10,169 --> 00:27:13,131 rolling down the road, always getting hassled by cops, 600 00:27:13,256 --> 00:27:14,924 like, "What the hell is this?" 601 00:27:15,049 --> 00:27:17,635 At least in the second school bus, you could take a piss. 602 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,304 We built, like, this little cubby hole in the back 603 00:27:20,429 --> 00:27:21,597 with a door. 604 00:27:21,722 --> 00:27:23,322 I open the door to think there's gonna be 605 00:27:23,432 --> 00:27:25,059 some sort of, like, toilet there. 606 00:27:25,184 --> 00:27:26,394 Nothing. 607 00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:28,980 It's just a fucking oil funnel cone 608 00:27:29,105 --> 00:27:31,607 with a hose that goes to a hole in the floor. 609 00:27:31,732 --> 00:27:33,484 And we're just pissing in the cone. 610 00:27:33,609 --> 00:27:35,319 And you can look out the back window 611 00:27:35,444 --> 00:27:38,739 and just see, like, all your urine, like, hit whatever car. 612 00:27:38,865 --> 00:27:42,076 I'm just watching, like, a whole family, kids in the car, 613 00:27:42,201 --> 00:27:45,246 windshield wipers come on, and it's just our urine. 614 00:27:45,371 --> 00:27:47,081 Those were the school bus days. 615 00:27:47,206 --> 00:27:49,375 It is difficult being the only girl 616 00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:52,128 and you're all grungy and gross and dirty and sweaty 617 00:27:52,253 --> 00:27:53,981 and you're staying at, like, punk rockers' house 618 00:27:54,005 --> 00:27:55,631 like, on the floor. 619 00:27:55,756 --> 00:27:58,467 Dave would book these cross-country tours 620 00:27:58,593 --> 00:28:01,220 by just calling numbers out of the back of Maximum Rocknroll. 621 00:28:01,345 --> 00:28:04,182 And we just took off with a Rand McNally atlas 622 00:28:04,307 --> 00:28:06,934 and, you know, a bunch of quarters 623 00:28:07,059 --> 00:28:09,020 to use the pay phone when we got lost. 624 00:28:09,145 --> 00:28:12,690 # One love feeds the fire # 625 00:28:12,815 --> 00:28:15,943 # One heart burns desire # 626 00:28:16,068 --> 00:28:17,862 We made it across the country 627 00:28:17,987 --> 00:28:21,157 probably about six or seven times in these school buses. 628 00:28:21,282 --> 00:28:23,159 Broke several axles on them 629 00:28:23,284 --> 00:28:25,828 and got stranded a couple times in the Rockies, 630 00:28:25,953 --> 00:28:27,580 but it was fun. 631 00:28:27,705 --> 00:28:29,165 Those were fun days. 632 00:28:29,290 --> 00:28:30,976 I wouldn't trade those memories for anything, 633 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,377 traveling cross country and all those windows 634 00:28:33,502 --> 00:28:34,879 and just laying in your bunk 635 00:28:35,004 --> 00:28:38,341 and going around with the circus... 636 00:28:38,466 --> 00:28:39,967 The thing is, I remember even Dave, 637 00:28:40,092 --> 00:28:41,904 who was, like, the biggest rock star in the world, 638 00:28:41,928 --> 00:28:43,554 was such a geek and nerd. 639 00:28:43,679 --> 00:28:45,473 I'm working on D&D, 640 00:28:45,598 --> 00:28:47,683 that stupid game that your boyfriend plays. 641 00:28:47,808 --> 00:28:50,394 We were always into Dungeons & Dragons 642 00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:52,021 and all that stuff. 643 00:28:52,146 --> 00:28:55,149 And Brockie was into it, and he was good at it. 644 00:28:55,274 --> 00:28:56,734 You played it, and you were like, 645 00:28:56,859 --> 00:28:59,028 "Well, this isn't stupid at all. This is really fun." 646 00:28:59,153 --> 00:29:02,073 Because, you know, it was like, any one of the campaigns 647 00:29:02,198 --> 00:29:05,243 that he ran could have been a great fantasy novel. 648 00:29:05,368 --> 00:29:07,119 I remember one of the first times 649 00:29:07,245 --> 00:29:08,663 I went out of town with GWAR, 650 00:29:08,788 --> 00:29:11,165 him reading a "Conan" book by a flashlight 651 00:29:11,290 --> 00:29:12,792 and us all listening, 652 00:29:12,917 --> 00:29:14,961 like we were sitting around a radio in the 1930s. 653 00:29:15,086 --> 00:29:19,423 It was, like, absurd, but it was so, like, quaint and special. 654 00:29:21,175 --> 00:29:24,262 Why did you lie to me? Why? Why? Why? 655 00:29:24,387 --> 00:29:25,846 Where is he? 656 00:29:25,972 --> 00:29:28,307 My new shoulder pads are too bouncy, and it's just... 657 00:29:28,432 --> 00:29:31,644 I don't know what to do. I can't fix something like that. 658 00:29:31,769 --> 00:29:34,313 - I'm so sad for him. - Fuck! 659 00:29:34,438 --> 00:29:35,731 God! 660 00:29:43,197 --> 00:29:45,616 It was one of the first school bus tours. 661 00:29:45,741 --> 00:29:47,576 I remember we were late to a show, 662 00:29:47,702 --> 00:29:50,371 and we pulled up, and there was actually a line 663 00:29:50,496 --> 00:29:52,206 all the way around the building. 664 00:29:52,331 --> 00:29:55,042 And that was an impressive feeling, 665 00:29:55,167 --> 00:29:57,336 to know that we were gonna sell out a club. 666 00:29:57,461 --> 00:29:58,981 Look at all this beer we get now. 667 00:29:59,005 --> 00:30:00,381 Check this out. 668 00:30:00,506 --> 00:30:02,967 This is all our water and shit to drink onstage. 669 00:30:03,092 --> 00:30:04,719 And then look at all this stuff. 670 00:30:04,844 --> 00:30:06,762 This is all soda! Look at this! 671 00:30:06,887 --> 00:30:11,142 Are we big-time, hip, cool rock stars now or what? 672 00:30:11,267 --> 00:30:12,828 As we were growing, so was the stage show. 673 00:30:12,852 --> 00:30:15,313 This shit kept getting bigger and bigger. 674 00:30:15,438 --> 00:30:16,981 Even the monsters were getting huge. 675 00:30:17,106 --> 00:30:18,441 And that's where I came in. 676 00:30:18,566 --> 00:30:21,485 I became the big giant monster maker. 677 00:30:21,610 --> 00:30:23,730 Some friends said, "Have you heard of this band GWAR?" 678 00:30:23,779 --> 00:30:25,156 I go, "No." They said, "Oh, my God. 679 00:30:25,281 --> 00:30:26,383 You got to see them. They're amazing. 680 00:30:26,407 --> 00:30:27,533 They run into the audience. 681 00:30:27,658 --> 00:30:28,885 They throw meat at people and blood. 682 00:30:28,909 --> 00:30:30,269 You'd love them." I go, "Oh, okay." 683 00:30:30,328 --> 00:30:31,996 I saw them at CMJ 684 00:30:32,121 --> 00:30:33,956 and was just blown away by how amazing it was. 685 00:30:34,081 --> 00:30:35,708 I'm sitting there talking to my friends. 686 00:30:35,833 --> 00:30:37,501 I go, "If these guys are half sane, 687 00:30:37,626 --> 00:30:39,086 I have to work with them." 688 00:30:39,211 --> 00:30:40,522 So it turns out they were very sane, 689 00:30:40,546 --> 00:30:42,256 and, obviously, we did. 690 00:30:45,301 --> 00:30:46,969 # Hey! # 691 00:30:48,220 --> 00:30:51,766 We brought in a real producer into Richmond. 692 00:30:51,891 --> 00:30:54,935 And I thought it was really funny, because he was from I A, 693 00:30:55,061 --> 00:30:58,189 and I didn't really know any California guys back then. 694 00:30:58,314 --> 00:31:01,150 So, "Can't eat any cheese before you record. 695 00:31:01,275 --> 00:31:03,903 And we have to go eat this Chinese chicken salad." 696 00:31:04,028 --> 00:31:05,654 Every day, we would eat the same salad. 697 00:31:05,780 --> 00:31:07,740 What are you eating? What are you eating? 698 00:31:07,865 --> 00:31:10,284 We were drinking cheap beer and smoking pot, 699 00:31:10,409 --> 00:31:12,953 and he was worried about us eating cheese. 700 00:31:16,082 --> 00:31:17,708 That was the best time for us writing, 701 00:31:17,833 --> 00:31:19,835 because we didn't really know what we were doing. 702 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,838 We hadn't become the metal band we are now. 703 00:31:22,963 --> 00:31:24,965 We were still, like, these punk rockers 704 00:31:25,091 --> 00:31:29,011 trying to play a heavy metal and not quite getting it 705 00:31:29,136 --> 00:31:32,431 but reveling in the fact that we didn't quite get it. 706 00:31:32,556 --> 00:31:34,600 # Now it knows glee # 707 00:31:34,725 --> 00:31:37,686 # As it nibbles on your spine # 708 00:31:37,812 --> 00:31:38,812 # Maggots # 709 00:31:38,854 --> 00:31:40,314 # Maggots # 710 00:31:40,439 --> 00:31:43,484 # Maggots are falling like rain # 711 00:31:43,609 --> 00:31:44,485 # Maggots # 712 00:31:44,610 --> 00:31:46,070 # Maggots # 713 00:31:46,195 --> 00:31:48,697 # Maggots are falling, falling like rain # 714 00:31:48,823 --> 00:31:50,157 We're making fun of it. 715 00:31:50,282 --> 00:31:51,468 We didn't want to be too good at it. 716 00:31:51,492 --> 00:31:54,245 # Like rain! # 717 00:31:56,455 --> 00:31:58,874 Huge leap in musicianship 718 00:31:58,999 --> 00:31:59,999 from the first album. 719 00:32:00,084 --> 00:32:01,377 It's night and day. 720 00:32:01,502 --> 00:32:03,754 I had the first album and loved it. 721 00:32:03,879 --> 00:32:05,482 It's kind of schlocky, and it's kind of fun. 722 00:32:05,506 --> 00:32:07,426 But when they put out "Scumdogs of the Universe," 723 00:32:07,550 --> 00:32:08,884 I was like, "Whoa. 724 00:32:09,009 --> 00:32:10,928 These dudes have been working on their chops." 725 00:32:11,053 --> 00:32:13,889 The fact that they were able to play that well 726 00:32:14,014 --> 00:32:15,558 while wearing all that stuff 727 00:32:15,683 --> 00:32:17,577 is something that really doesn't get talked about a lot. 728 00:32:17,601 --> 00:32:20,146 Because those guys could shred. They were phenomenal musicians. 729 00:32:20,271 --> 00:32:23,274 It takes a lot to be able to play music like that, 730 00:32:23,399 --> 00:32:25,776 not to mention being covered in sticky blood. 731 00:32:25,901 --> 00:32:29,238 The thing that GWAR musically has to fight against 732 00:32:29,363 --> 00:32:31,407 is how amazing it is aesthetically. 733 00:32:31,532 --> 00:32:33,075 And it... 734 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,578 "Gimmick" is not even close to a strong enough word 735 00:32:35,703 --> 00:32:37,246 to describe what GWAR is. 736 00:32:37,371 --> 00:32:40,207 GWAR is what they are. It's beyond gimmick. 737 00:32:40,332 --> 00:32:42,212 I don't know why a lot of people think 738 00:32:42,334 --> 00:32:46,630 that having a sense of humor does not go along with rocking. 739 00:32:46,755 --> 00:32:49,508 You know, I think the two can coexist peacefully. 740 00:32:49,633 --> 00:32:51,552 But it doesn't work if there's not skill 741 00:32:51,677 --> 00:32:53,429 and talent to back it up. 742 00:32:53,554 --> 00:32:57,057 GWAR's got the talent, and everything else is just icing. 743 00:32:57,183 --> 00:32:59,852 Everybody in GWAR can fucking shred. 744 00:32:59,977 --> 00:33:02,396 Maybe it's a joke in the packaging, 745 00:33:02,521 --> 00:33:05,566 but the musicianship IS very sincere. 746 00:33:05,691 --> 00:33:06,691 - Sick! # - Sick! # 747 00:33:06,775 --> 00:33:07,610 - # Oft # - # Oft # 748 00:33:07,735 --> 00:33:09,361 # You # 749 00:33:09,487 --> 00:33:13,073 # I'm so sick, so sick of you, ooh, ooh, ooh... # 750 00:33:13,199 --> 00:33:17,036 So the ultimate joke of GWAR is... 751 00:33:17,828 --> 00:33:18,913 ...that they're good. 752 00:33:19,038 --> 00:33:20,414 That's the joke. 753 00:33:20,539 --> 00:33:22,708 "Scumdogs" is definitely a huge step up. 754 00:33:22,833 --> 00:33:24,644 When I got the full record, I'm like, "Oh, my God. 755 00:33:24,668 --> 00:33:25,961 This is amazing." 756 00:33:26,086 --> 00:33:28,756 It's an epic piece of work that they did. 757 00:33:28,881 --> 00:33:30,591 Sick! 758 00:33:32,176 --> 00:33:34,094 "Hell-0" would get some traction, 759 00:33:34,220 --> 00:33:37,056 but "Scumdogs" had broke GWAR. 760 00:33:37,890 --> 00:33:40,184 During that tour, of course, all the stuff happens 761 00:33:40,309 --> 00:33:42,978 where life imitates art, you know? 762 00:33:43,103 --> 00:33:45,523 The story is about censorship, 763 00:33:45,648 --> 00:33:47,983 which was a big hot-button issue at the time. 764 00:33:48,108 --> 00:33:50,611 Does the title "Purple Rain" 765 00:33:50,736 --> 00:33:52,196 give you an indication 766 00:33:52,321 --> 00:33:54,949 that the material is about masturbation? 767 00:33:55,866 --> 00:33:57,743 You mean the album title "Purple Rain"? 768 00:33:57,868 --> 00:34:00,079 And on the tour that we're mocking 769 00:34:00,204 --> 00:34:01,747 and talking about GWAR being censored, 770 00:34:01,872 --> 00:34:04,416 GWAR gets censored, gets arrested. 771 00:34:04,542 --> 00:34:06,460 Dave gets arrested for the cuttlefish. 772 00:34:06,585 --> 00:34:10,422 We played in Charlotte, and we're doing a regular show, 773 00:34:10,548 --> 00:34:13,300 and we have this priest that comes up onstage 774 00:34:13,425 --> 00:34:15,803 and gets stuff jammed up his butt. 775 00:34:15,928 --> 00:34:18,597 Priests were always known for raping young choir boys, 776 00:34:18,722 --> 00:34:20,599 so in GWAR's show, the priest gets raped. 777 00:34:20,724 --> 00:34:22,851 So there's this big fake rubber butt. 778 00:34:22,977 --> 00:34:25,813 We're shoving a crucifix up Father Bohab's ass, 779 00:34:25,938 --> 00:34:28,190 dicks in it, swords in it. 780 00:34:28,315 --> 00:34:31,068 It's like a fucking butt bouquet potpourri 781 00:34:31,193 --> 00:34:33,320 of fucking swords hanging out of this thing. 782 00:34:33,445 --> 00:34:35,698 We didn't know it, but the Charlotte police were there, 783 00:34:35,823 --> 00:34:38,450 and they didn't think it was very funny. 784 00:34:38,576 --> 00:34:41,328 They were just like, you know, "You can't do that to a priest." 785 00:34:41,453 --> 00:34:44,373 And we're like, "It's not. It's a big fake rubber butt." 786 00:34:44,498 --> 00:34:47,042 These cops come busting into the dressing room. 787 00:34:47,167 --> 00:34:50,796 There's Dave, halfway out of the Oderus costume, 788 00:34:50,921 --> 00:34:53,716 just standing there with a big penis on. 789 00:34:53,841 --> 00:34:56,719 And they're like, "All right. You're under arrest. 790 00:34:56,844 --> 00:34:58,679 Where's the guy in the priest outfit?" 791 00:34:58,804 --> 00:35:01,140 And, like, Bob was out of costume already, 792 00:35:01,265 --> 00:35:04,685 and so he was like, "Oh, we don't know which one that was." 793 00:35:04,810 --> 00:35:07,605 So they had no choice but just to arrest Dave. 794 00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:09,940 They confiscate the Cuttlefish of Cthulhu, 795 00:35:10,065 --> 00:35:14,403 which is the huge shvantz between Oderus' legs. 796 00:35:14,528 --> 00:35:16,947 It's really a fish. It's not a dick. It's a fish. 797 00:35:17,072 --> 00:35:21,660 And they took Dave's dick away in a five-gallon bucket. 798 00:35:21,785 --> 00:35:24,038 You know, that's the only thing they took, 799 00:35:24,163 --> 00:35:26,332 was just the dick in a five-gallon bucket. 800 00:35:26,457 --> 00:35:28,792 We never got the cuttlefish back either. 801 00:35:28,917 --> 00:35:30,461 It's still in an evidence room 802 00:35:30,586 --> 00:35:32,921 in Charlotte, North Carolina, somewhere. 803 00:35:33,047 --> 00:35:35,549 When I heard he got arrested, I was like, "What did he do?" 804 00:35:35,674 --> 00:35:38,074 And they told me what he did. I said, "He didn't do anything? 805 00:35:38,135 --> 00:35:40,679 He was just wearing his costume? Really?" 806 00:35:44,391 --> 00:35:46,101 Oderus Urungus will be in court 807 00:35:46,226 --> 00:35:47,786 in Charlotte, North Carolina, next week, 808 00:35:47,895 --> 00:35:50,022 to face obscenity charges filed after a GWAR concert 809 00:35:50,147 --> 00:35:52,775 in the heart of Jesse Helms country last month. 810 00:35:52,900 --> 00:35:54,610 When Dave went to trial, 811 00:35:54,735 --> 00:35:57,988 the presiding judge was Dick Boner. 812 00:35:58,113 --> 00:36:01,116 That was the judge's name in real fucking life. 813 00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:06,830 I was a big fan of Lenny Bruce, 814 00:36:06,955 --> 00:36:08,415 and I thought that was really cool 815 00:36:08,540 --> 00:36:10,310 that we were getting charged with the same stuff 816 00:36:10,334 --> 00:36:11,334 that Lenny Bruce did. 817 00:36:11,377 --> 00:36:13,170 That made me pretty proud. 818 00:36:13,295 --> 00:36:15,015 We're here interviewing people on the street 819 00:36:15,047 --> 00:36:17,716 about the GWAR show that was just shut down 820 00:36:17,841 --> 00:36:18,841 by the Athens police. 821 00:36:18,926 --> 00:36:20,260 How do you feel about this? 822 00:36:20,386 --> 00:36:22,262 Well, uh, there goes the Constitution 823 00:36:22,388 --> 00:36:24,098 and everything else it stands for. 824 00:36:24,223 --> 00:36:27,935 # All we are saying # 825 00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:31,105 # Is give GWAR a chance # 826 00:36:31,230 --> 00:36:33,732 If you enjoy the music of Barry Manilow, Liberace, 827 00:36:33,857 --> 00:36:36,360 or The Bee Gees, then you're gonna hate GWAR. 828 00:36:36,485 --> 00:36:38,737 - Their name is GWAR. - GWAR, the band from hell... 829 00:36:38,862 --> 00:36:41,323 That band, GWAR, has got to be the raunchiest, 830 00:36:41,448 --> 00:36:42,866 most rotten band. 831 00:36:42,991 --> 00:36:44,552 They are the worst. 832 00:36:44,576 --> 00:36:46,203 - Oderus, um... - Yes? 833 00:36:46,328 --> 00:36:49,748 ...your act has been described as obscene and disgusting. 834 00:36:49,873 --> 00:36:50,958 What'd you say to that? 835 00:36:51,083 --> 00:36:52,584 Mm. Very accurate. 836 00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:55,295 This is one of the best ones. I'm gonna read you this. 837 00:36:55,421 --> 00:36:56,964 "To Grawl!"... 838 00:36:57,089 --> 00:36:58,507 G-R-A-W-L... 839 00:36:58,632 --> 00:37:00,801 "...I am a highly concerned Catholic Christian 840 00:37:00,926 --> 00:37:03,595 who watched your videocassette, "Tour de Scum.' 841 00:37:03,721 --> 00:37:06,098 I've seen many horror shows in my lifetime, 842 00:37:06,223 --> 00:37:09,101 but nothing compared to what I saw on 'Tour de Scum.' 843 00:37:09,226 --> 00:37:11,812 I... "all caps... "...WANTED TO PUKE! 844 00:37:11,937 --> 00:37:15,190 You creatures have the morality of cannibalistic psychotics. 845 00:37:15,315 --> 00:37:16,859 In conclusion, 846 00:37:16,984 --> 00:37:19,319 you need to change your attitudes toward the human race. 847 00:37:19,445 --> 00:37:21,280 Believe it or not, there are some good people 848 00:37:21,405 --> 00:37:22,531 on the planet, too. 849 00:37:22,656 --> 00:37:25,451 God help all of you." 850 00:37:25,576 --> 00:37:27,661 So, the label gave us $50,000, 851 00:37:27,786 --> 00:37:29,830 which was typical, for a music video. 852 00:37:29,955 --> 00:37:32,875 And we said, "Well, instead of just a music video, 853 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,587 why not just do an entire music movie?" 854 00:37:36,712 --> 00:37:38,356 That's, like, more money than we'd ever seen. 855 00:37:38,380 --> 00:37:39,548 Do one song? 856 00:37:39,673 --> 00:37:42,092 No. We're gonna do a whole movie. 857 00:37:44,219 --> 00:37:47,139 We did months of preproduction... months. 858 00:37:47,264 --> 00:37:50,184 And we hired a production team from Canada. 859 00:37:50,309 --> 00:37:52,811 I was like, "Why don't you just let me direct it?" 860 00:37:52,936 --> 00:37:56,607 They were like, "No! We don't want you to direct it. 861 00:37:56,732 --> 00:38:00,235 Even though you have a college degree in filmmaking, 862 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,988 we have to find a professional director 863 00:38:03,113 --> 00:38:04,948 that knows what they're doing." 864 00:38:05,073 --> 00:38:06,950 All these dudes came from Canada, 865 00:38:07,075 --> 00:38:08,928 and they had found a director they had worked with before 866 00:38:08,952 --> 00:38:10,412 and been happy with. 867 00:38:10,537 --> 00:38:12,706 He was in Richmond before we even started filming 868 00:38:12,831 --> 00:38:15,042 for probably two or three weeks. 869 00:38:15,167 --> 00:38:18,128 He's, like, got these leather pants on, strutting around, 870 00:38:18,253 --> 00:38:20,798 like, "Hey, you've got to give me a double bed 871 00:38:20,923 --> 00:38:23,967 with all the chicks I'm gonna get while I'm in Richmond." 872 00:38:24,092 --> 00:38:27,930 And then, the very first night of production, 873 00:38:28,055 --> 00:38:30,724 he has a fucking nervous breakdown. 874 00:38:30,849 --> 00:38:32,810 Oh, yeah. Blair lost his mind. 875 00:38:32,935 --> 00:38:34,102 He quit. He flew home. 876 00:38:34,228 --> 00:38:36,104 So... 877 00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:38,440 You don't want to tell Dave what to do, 878 00:38:38,565 --> 00:38:40,251 and you don't want to tell Hunter what to do. 879 00:38:40,275 --> 00:38:43,237 That's, like, the worst situation you could be put in. 880 00:38:43,362 --> 00:38:46,865 We're just like, "Dude, you got to get the fuck out here." 881 00:38:46,990 --> 00:38:48,992 Because it was like, "We're doing this." 882 00:38:49,117 --> 00:38:52,037 Then we're left to pick up the pieces. 883 00:38:52,162 --> 00:38:53,956 It was fucking ridiculous. 884 00:38:54,081 --> 00:38:56,667 So everybody's, like, directing and performing 885 00:38:56,792 --> 00:38:58,252 and fabricating sets. 886 00:38:58,377 --> 00:39:00,254 And so you're, like, getting no sleep. 887 00:39:00,379 --> 00:39:03,173 I'm painting a set, then I'm doing a scene, 888 00:39:03,298 --> 00:39:05,026 and then I'm coming back and doing another thing. 889 00:39:05,050 --> 00:39:06,385 I was playing a role. 890 00:39:06,510 --> 00:39:08,345 I was painting the sets. I was building props. 891 00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:10,180 Even still, during the making of that movie 892 00:39:10,305 --> 00:39:12,182 I was waiting tables to pay my rent. 893 00:39:12,307 --> 00:39:14,351 They'd call me up, "We need somebody's mom! 894 00:39:14,476 --> 00:39:16,019 We need a grandma!" 895 00:39:16,144 --> 00:39:18,188 So I'd be like, "Hey, you want to be in our movie?" 896 00:39:18,313 --> 00:39:19,898 While I was, like, waiting tables. 897 00:39:20,023 --> 00:39:21,066 It was like that. 898 00:39:21,191 --> 00:39:22,943 Everybody would pitch in. 899 00:39:23,068 --> 00:39:26,071 It was like how Hunter called the slave pit the slave pit, 900 00:39:26,196 --> 00:39:28,490 because everybody came in and worked. 901 00:39:28,615 --> 00:39:30,367 You had girlfriends and wives and kids 902 00:39:30,492 --> 00:39:33,495 and everybody just piling in to make the show happen. 903 00:39:33,620 --> 00:39:36,540 And it was a big, chaotic mess, like everything we do. 904 00:39:36,665 --> 00:39:39,668 And it turned out pretty silly 905 00:39:39,793 --> 00:39:42,129 and awesome in its own weird way. 906 00:39:42,254 --> 00:39:43,547 Do you really know GWAR? 907 00:39:43,672 --> 00:39:45,841 I'm their fuckin' manager. 908 00:39:47,092 --> 00:39:48,927 I-I'd really like to meet 'em. 909 00:39:49,052 --> 00:39:50,596 And you know what? 910 00:39:50,721 --> 00:39:52,721 The thing fucking still got nominated for a Grammy. 911 00:39:56,935 --> 00:40:00,272 Yeah, "Phallus in Wonderland" gets nominated for a Grammy, 912 00:40:00,397 --> 00:40:03,150 and we're just all thinking, "Man, somebody really fucked up. 913 00:40:03,275 --> 00:40:04,860 Somebody's losing their job." 914 00:40:04,985 --> 00:40:07,738 Till this day, we don't understand how the Grammys work, 915 00:40:07,863 --> 00:40:11,575 because it's like Annie Lennox and MC Hammer and GWAR? 916 00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:13,994 I remember Hunter came in and was sort of... 917 00:40:14,119 --> 00:40:15,829 He was really matter-of-fact about it. 918 00:40:15,954 --> 00:40:19,416 It wasn't like, "Man, we got nominated for a Grammy!" 919 00:40:19,541 --> 00:40:21,919 It was just like, "We got nominated for a Grammy. 920 00:40:22,044 --> 00:40:23,670 Enh. Just a Grammy." 921 00:40:25,422 --> 00:40:28,216 We are gathered here in this great Hall of Justice 922 00:40:28,342 --> 00:40:33,221 to prove that this alleged fish is actually a penis. 923 00:40:49,112 --> 00:40:52,115 The president of that organization was not amused. 924 00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:53,825 He did not like us at all. 925 00:40:53,951 --> 00:40:55,595 We had to take the picture, and we were like, 926 00:40:55,619 --> 00:40:57,513 "You know, man, that's just who we are in character." 927 00:40:57,537 --> 00:40:59,539 And he's like, "Yeah. Whatever," you know? 928 00:40:59,665 --> 00:41:01,416 Like, the dude was angry. 929 00:41:06,505 --> 00:41:08,298 We were invited out to L. A. 930 00:41:08,423 --> 00:41:10,258 To go to the awards ceremony, 931 00:41:10,384 --> 00:41:15,430 but we were specifically told, "Do not bring the costumes." 932 00:41:16,431 --> 00:41:18,433 Like, "Oh yeah, yeah. Sure, sure." 933 00:41:19,059 --> 00:41:22,688 Black was the color of choice for most, but not all. 934 00:41:24,773 --> 00:41:30,028 The loudest fashion statement was from a band called GWAR. 935 00:41:30,153 --> 00:41:33,198 We're in costume, so of course I immediately go up 936 00:41:33,323 --> 00:41:35,283 and harass Chaka Khan. 937 00:41:35,409 --> 00:41:37,035 I'm just like, "Chaka Khan." 938 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,746 I was like, "You Earth girls are making me hot." 939 00:41:39,871 --> 00:41:41,873 And immediately, her guy there was just like, 940 00:41:41,999 --> 00:41:43,709 "Out of the way, kid." 941 00:41:43,834 --> 00:41:47,838 So we lasted about 15 minutes in the lobby of the Grammys, 942 00:41:47,963 --> 00:41:50,465 and we, like, spilled a drink on Lita Ford, 943 00:41:50,590 --> 00:41:53,218 and then we got kicked out. 944 00:41:53,343 --> 00:41:54,970 We went back and put our tuxes back on 945 00:41:55,095 --> 00:41:56,596 and sat quietly in the audience, 946 00:41:56,722 --> 00:41:59,057 and it was pretty boring the rest of the time. 947 00:41:59,182 --> 00:42:00,493 Except for the parties afterwards. 948 00:42:00,517 --> 00:42:01,935 Those were fun. 949 00:42:02,060 --> 00:42:03,579 We went to a Warner Bros. Party after. 950 00:42:03,603 --> 00:42:05,647 I did meet Madonna that night. 951 00:42:05,772 --> 00:42:07,899 I hung out with the Chili Peppers that night. 952 00:42:08,025 --> 00:42:10,736 And I got to hold a banana up to my crotch 953 00:42:10,861 --> 00:42:13,113 and George Clinton ate it at the party. 954 00:42:19,327 --> 00:42:21,204 That was a crowning moment. 955 00:42:21,329 --> 00:42:23,582 It was nuts, and GWAR had no business being there. 956 00:42:23,707 --> 00:42:25,083 Divided by the attention, 957 00:42:25,208 --> 00:42:27,461 not to mention the affection. 958 00:42:28,170 --> 00:42:30,380 No matter how you gussy GWAR up 959 00:42:30,505 --> 00:42:32,841 and no matter what award you give it, 960 00:42:32,966 --> 00:42:34,801 it's always gonna be exactly what it is, 961 00:42:34,926 --> 00:42:40,474 which is this warty little D&D-playing, snot-nosed kid 962 00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:41,975 that is, you know... 963 00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:43,477 Like, that's what GWAR is, man. 964 00:42:43,602 --> 00:42:45,312 It's just... It's just geeky. 965 00:42:45,437 --> 00:42:47,272 And it's wonderful in that way. 966 00:42:47,397 --> 00:42:50,901 But, like, we didn't fit in at the Grammys. 967 00:42:51,026 --> 00:42:54,321 # Oh, can't you hear me calling? # 968 00:42:54,446 --> 00:42:57,908 # Just like the sad whale song # 969 00:42:58,658 --> 00:43:02,788 # I'm on that road behind # 970 00:43:06,625 --> 00:43:08,627 I am Flattus Maximus. 971 00:43:08,752 --> 00:43:10,462 I play guitar. 972 00:43:10,587 --> 00:43:12,672 Dewey was just moving into 973 00:43:12,798 --> 00:43:14,299 a different point in his life. 974 00:43:14,424 --> 00:43:16,134 He had his own construction business, 975 00:43:16,259 --> 00:43:17,636 and he was just like, 976 00:43:17,761 --> 00:43:19,679 "I'm not gonna be a rock-'n'-roll guy anymore." 977 00:43:21,014 --> 00:43:24,309 How I remember it is Pete just showed up at the slave pit, 978 00:43:24,434 --> 00:43:28,230 drove a solid 20-some hours from Texas 979 00:43:28,355 --> 00:43:30,565 with a huge bag of weed, and was just like, 980 00:43:30,690 --> 00:43:32,734 "I'm gonna be you guys' new guitar player." 981 00:43:32,859 --> 00:43:34,778 Okay. I'll tell you about Flattus. 982 00:43:34,903 --> 00:43:37,322 That's who I was supposed to be when I joined the band. 983 00:43:37,447 --> 00:43:38,824 So I'm like, "All right! 984 00:43:38,949 --> 00:43:41,243 I'm one of them now! I'm a monster!" 985 00:43:41,368 --> 00:43:43,995 So I'm after a show, and I'm looking in the mirror. 986 00:43:44,121 --> 00:43:48,041 And I go, "You look like a fucking dipshit, man." 987 00:43:48,166 --> 00:43:50,502 I was like, "I need a mask or something, 988 00:43:50,627 --> 00:43:54,881 "cause my face is not intimidating at all." 989 00:43:55,006 --> 00:43:58,218 They made me a new costume with Riddell shoulder pads. 990 00:43:58,343 --> 00:44:00,637 And they fit good, so I can fuckin'... 991 00:44:02,806 --> 00:44:04,599 Pete is an assassin. 992 00:44:04,724 --> 00:44:07,352 He is such a good guitar player. 993 00:44:12,357 --> 00:44:13,942 Fucking amazing. 994 00:44:22,242 --> 00:44:26,580 We seemed to not be able to get on MTV at all. 995 00:44:26,705 --> 00:44:28,290 Where do we put these GWAR videos? 996 00:44:28,415 --> 00:44:29,457 "Headbangers Ball"? 997 00:44:29,583 --> 00:44:30,750 "120 Minutes"? I don't know. 998 00:44:30,876 --> 00:44:32,294 This doesn't this make any sense. 999 00:44:32,419 --> 00:44:34,921 It doesn't fit. 1000 00:44:35,046 --> 00:44:37,716 Mike Judge, apparently, really liked us. 1001 00:44:37,841 --> 00:44:39,801 And he was like, "Okay. 1002 00:44:39,926 --> 00:44:41,636 My characters, they're these people. 1003 00:44:41,761 --> 00:44:43,263 What would their favorite band be?" 1004 00:44:43,388 --> 00:44:45,015 "Oh, it would be GWAR." 1005 00:44:45,140 --> 00:44:47,601 Of course Beavis and Butt-Head's favorite band would be GWAR. 1006 00:44:50,103 --> 00:44:52,898 "Beavis and Butt-Head" was such an important show. 1007 00:44:53,023 --> 00:44:56,568 And because of the autonomy that Mike Judge had 1008 00:44:56,693 --> 00:45:01,031 in programming that show, he was able to go over the heads 1009 00:45:01,156 --> 00:45:03,617 of the people of the music programming department... 1010 00:45:03,742 --> 00:45:05,952 Look! Look! Butt-Head! It's GWAR! It's GWAR! 1011 00:45:06,077 --> 00:45:08,455 ...and expose them to places in the country 1012 00:45:08,580 --> 00:45:12,000 where there weren't even that many radio stations. 1013 00:45:12,125 --> 00:45:13,835 It's like, you have to watch TV 1014 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,837 for like hour and hours and hours 1015 00:45:15,962 --> 00:45:17,922 before you see this video, but, like, when you do, 1016 00:45:18,006 --> 00:45:19,466 - then it's all worth it. - Yeah. 1017 00:45:19,591 --> 00:45:21,351 We were playing these little punk rock clubs. 1018 00:45:21,468 --> 00:45:23,345 Now we're playing this ginormous place 1019 00:45:23,470 --> 00:45:25,138 'cause "Beavis and Butt-Head loves GWAR, 1020 00:45:25,263 --> 00:45:26,723 so we got to go check 'em out!" 1021 00:45:26,848 --> 00:45:28,892 Everybody was like, "What is that shit?" 1022 00:45:29,017 --> 00:45:31,519 I got to go see it," so our tours were packed out. 1023 00:45:31,645 --> 00:45:33,271 You know, we were on our way. 1024 00:45:33,396 --> 00:45:35,982 There's too much cool stuff to keep track of. 1025 00:45:36,107 --> 00:45:37,525 Yeah! 1026 00:45:37,651 --> 00:45:38,961 The Beavis and Butt-Head thing 1027 00:45:38,985 --> 00:45:40,654 turned into the Sega Genesis game, 1028 00:45:40,779 --> 00:45:42,280 which was a really big deal. 1029 00:45:42,405 --> 00:45:44,074 The point of the whole game 1030 00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:46,117 was to go to a GWAR concert. 1031 00:45:46,243 --> 00:45:49,162 I just thought that was the coolest thing when I was a kid. 1032 00:45:49,287 --> 00:45:51,581 I wrote one of them riffs on that song, 1033 00:45:51,706 --> 00:45:52,999 and it ended up on the game. 1034 00:45:53,124 --> 00:45:54,584 They put it on. It was like... 1035 00:45:54,709 --> 00:45:58,713 # Doot, doot, doot, doot-doot, doot, doot # 1036 00:46:00,257 --> 00:46:02,842 "Hey, that's bad-ass! Why did I come here?" 1037 00:46:02,968 --> 00:46:04,570 - That was cool. - Yeah. 1038 00:46:04,594 --> 00:46:06,322 It seemed like there was another thing 1039 00:46:06,346 --> 00:46:07,472 every other week. 1040 00:46:07,597 --> 00:46:08,991 Now we're gonna do "Jerry Springer." 1041 00:46:09,015 --> 00:46:10,517 There always is black humor 1042 00:46:10,642 --> 00:46:12,852 in times of change, in times of revolution. 1043 00:46:12,978 --> 00:46:16,022 It's been all throughout history and all throughout literature. 1044 00:46:16,147 --> 00:46:17,315 Okay. Hold on. 1045 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,484 Will you please welcome... 1046 00:46:19,609 --> 00:46:20,944 ...GWAR! 1047 00:46:22,988 --> 00:46:25,448 We can blow on our thumbs and grow to 300 feet in the air. 1048 00:46:25,573 --> 00:46:27,367 And hang on the Empire State Building. 1049 00:46:27,492 --> 00:46:30,495 You probably have already done that on "Sally Jessy," but... 1050 00:46:34,708 --> 00:46:36,751 We did a skit in our show "The Idiot Box" 1051 00:46:36,876 --> 00:46:39,170 where you sacrifice your daughter to GWAR, 1052 00:46:39,296 --> 00:46:41,631 and they come to your house and take your daughter 1053 00:46:41,756 --> 00:46:43,091 and she ends up on the show 1054 00:46:43,216 --> 00:46:44,856 and gets fed through a giant meat grinder. 1055 00:46:44,884 --> 00:46:46,164 The whole thing is super violent. 1056 00:46:46,261 --> 00:46:47,613 There would be people in the audience 1057 00:46:47,637 --> 00:46:49,139 who were kind of freaked out. 1058 00:46:49,264 --> 00:46:50,765 Even Heather was freaked out. 1059 00:46:50,890 --> 00:46:52,559 Well, she got put into a meat grinder. 1060 00:46:52,684 --> 00:46:55,061 I know, but it wasn't real. We weren't really gonna, like... 1061 00:46:55,186 --> 00:46:57,272 - You never know. - Yeah. 1062 00:46:57,397 --> 00:47:00,442 Remember the name for your games... Circuit City! 1063 00:47:01,443 --> 00:47:03,611 We were in a movie called "Mystery Date." 1064 00:47:03,737 --> 00:47:05,923 In the script it was written, "There's a bar band playing." 1065 00:47:05,947 --> 00:47:08,533 But they said, "Oh, let's get GWAR for that." 1066 00:47:08,658 --> 00:47:10,493 And so it made for a much better scene, 1067 00:47:10,618 --> 00:47:12,245 'cause he goes into this punk rock show, 1068 00:47:12,370 --> 00:47:13,830 and there's blood flying everywhere. 1069 00:47:13,955 --> 00:47:16,624 And the girl goes, "Oh, I love this." 1070 00:47:16,750 --> 00:47:18,752 "Empire Records," another one. 1071 00:47:18,877 --> 00:47:20,462 Fire! 1072 00:47:20,587 --> 00:47:25,133 When we did it, the audience had no idea what was going on. 1073 00:47:25,258 --> 00:47:28,261 Like... I mean, but that's to be expected at a GWAR show. 1074 00:47:28,386 --> 00:47:29,637 Weird shit happens. 1075 00:47:31,139 --> 00:47:32,515 I was not the first person 1076 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,310 that crawled through that cavity that week, 1077 00:47:35,435 --> 00:47:38,104 so it wasn't this sterile environment. 1078 00:47:38,229 --> 00:47:39,439 I do remember that. 1079 00:47:39,564 --> 00:47:40,940 Brockie had some lines. 1080 00:47:41,066 --> 00:47:42,901 He was gonna do them, but we're at the show. 1081 00:47:43,026 --> 00:47:46,279 So, as Oderus, he probably said a few curse words, 1082 00:47:46,404 --> 00:47:49,324 so they dubbed some other voice actor's voice onto it. 1083 00:47:49,449 --> 00:47:52,035 "You love GWAR! Why don't you join the band?!" 1084 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,870 And they put a big blurry thing, 1085 00:47:53,995 --> 00:47:56,349 'cause he had the cuttlefish on 'cause it was our live show. 1086 00:47:56,373 --> 00:47:58,249 When they shot it, it was the full dick, 1087 00:47:58,375 --> 00:48:01,586 which, I remember, he used to, like, masturbate it. 1088 00:48:01,711 --> 00:48:06,633 But on the movie, they, like, did this prism digitization. 1089 00:48:06,758 --> 00:48:09,844 But it's a cuttlefish. It's not a dick. 1090 00:48:09,969 --> 00:48:13,473 Do they really look that much like dicks, cuttlefishes? 1091 00:48:13,598 --> 00:48:15,284 That's how they try to get away with it. 1092 00:48:15,308 --> 00:48:17,602 That's how they get away with it. 1093 00:48:17,727 --> 00:48:20,772 So smart. Because indecency laws. 1094 00:48:20,897 --> 00:48:23,733 To see it turn into such a cult classic, 1095 00:48:23,858 --> 00:48:25,860 you know, it was awesome. 1096 00:48:25,985 --> 00:48:27,570 The movie's not about GWAR, 1097 00:48:27,695 --> 00:48:29,406 but that was a gateway 1098 00:48:29,531 --> 00:48:31,491 for a ton of people to find out about, like, us 1099 00:48:31,616 --> 00:48:33,827 and start buying our albums and coming to see us. 1100 00:48:33,952 --> 00:48:35,870 So all those things sort of add up 1101 00:48:35,995 --> 00:48:40,375 to this sort of infamous sort of notoriety we have... 1102 00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:41,918 Not famous, but infamous. 1103 00:48:42,043 --> 00:48:44,170 My dad saw "The Joan Rivers Show." 1104 00:48:44,295 --> 00:48:46,423 - What'd he say? - "Weird. 1105 00:48:46,548 --> 00:48:48,383 Weird." 1106 00:48:52,804 --> 00:48:54,848 That was GWAR. That was GWAR. 1107 00:48:54,973 --> 00:48:56,641 And, uh, they were, uh, 1108 00:48:56,766 --> 00:49:00,645 they were a little too strong for our airwaves here. 1109 00:49:00,770 --> 00:49:03,815 We got off the ground being a rock-'n'-roll band. 1110 00:49:03,940 --> 00:49:05,942 But we never were a rock-'n'-roll band. 1111 00:49:06,067 --> 00:49:07,986 We were an art collective. 1112 00:49:08,111 --> 00:49:10,905 Hunter, Don, a lot of the guys, a lot of the artists 1113 00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:12,390 were like, "We want to make movies. 1114 00:49:12,490 --> 00:49:14,868 We want to make full-on movies." 1115 00:49:14,993 --> 00:49:17,245 Don came, and we were riding bikes through Richmond, 1116 00:49:17,370 --> 00:49:20,748 and he's like, "We were talking about this character, 1117 00:49:20,874 --> 00:49:25,879 and I think his name is gonna be Skulhedface." 1118 00:49:26,004 --> 00:49:27,464 We're riding bikes, and I'm like, 1119 00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:28,941 "What the fuck are you talking about? 1120 00:49:28,965 --> 00:49:30,091 I don't understand." 1121 00:49:30,216 --> 00:49:32,010 It was typical GWAR fashion. 1122 00:49:32,135 --> 00:49:34,804 There's a cart, and the horse was somewhere back here. 1123 00:49:34,929 --> 00:49:38,433 Skulhedface! 1124 00:49:38,558 --> 00:49:39,893 We had learned a lot 1125 00:49:40,018 --> 00:49:42,395 when we worked on "Phallus in Wonderland." 1126 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,482 We took that knowledge into working on "Skulhedface," 1127 00:49:45,607 --> 00:49:46,900 and we kind of did it 1128 00:49:47,025 --> 00:49:49,235 without the Hollywood people there this time. 1129 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,422 We decided to do something even more ambitious. 1130 00:49:51,446 --> 00:49:52,989 We had twice the budget. 1131 00:49:53,114 --> 00:49:56,201 And so "Skulhedface" was this really huge production 1132 00:49:56,326 --> 00:49:57,660 by our standards. 1133 00:49:57,785 --> 00:49:59,138 The production levels shot way up. 1134 00:49:59,162 --> 00:50:01,539 Every inch of the slave pit was a set. 1135 00:50:01,664 --> 00:50:04,501 We made a full animatronic Skulhedface, 1136 00:50:04,626 --> 00:50:06,878 everybody's ideas thrown in. 1137 00:50:07,003 --> 00:50:08,546 That's what I love about GWAR. 1138 00:50:08,671 --> 00:50:12,509 Like, the most insane idea... "Okay. Let's do it." 1139 00:50:12,634 --> 00:50:15,970 And then we do it and spend a ton of money and time doing it. 1140 00:50:16,095 --> 00:50:24,095 # ...pas # 1141 00:50:24,896 --> 00:50:26,481 # The end of all... # 1142 00:50:26,606 --> 00:50:29,067 Really a lot of people's hearts, and, like, months... 1143 00:50:29,192 --> 00:50:33,530 I mean, I lived in my outfit for weeks in that summer. 1144 00:50:33,655 --> 00:50:35,114 We wanted to have all our commercials 1145 00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:37,825 so we could have the really fun side projects. 1146 00:50:39,661 --> 00:50:41,496 # Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh # 1147 00:50:41,621 --> 00:50:44,874 There'll be GWAR action figures, stuffed dolls, pajamas, 1148 00:50:44,999 --> 00:50:47,835 videotapes, lunch boxes, vitamins, towels, bedspreads, 1149 00:50:47,961 --> 00:50:49,587 and coloring books. 1150 00:50:49,712 --> 00:50:51,673 Blow me, fat boy. 1151 00:50:51,798 --> 00:50:52,840 "Yeah! Let's do that. 1152 00:50:52,966 --> 00:50:54,509 Let's film a 35-millimeter thing 1153 00:50:54,634 --> 00:50:57,720 about alien butt-head queens who produce juice 1154 00:50:57,845 --> 00:51:00,223 out of their foreheads that powers the world. 1155 00:51:00,348 --> 00:51:01,628 And a corporation wants to buy it 1156 00:51:01,724 --> 00:51:03,726 and suck all the coolness out." 1157 00:51:03,851 --> 00:51:05,645 I mean, it's just ridiculous, you know? 1158 00:51:05,770 --> 00:51:07,146 It's so insane. 1159 00:51:07,272 --> 00:51:09,148 I think it's, like, our high-water mark 1160 00:51:09,274 --> 00:51:11,985 because it's so weird and hard to digest, you know? 1161 00:51:12,110 --> 00:51:13,528 That's why I like it so much. 1162 00:51:18,783 --> 00:51:21,119 That was fun. 1163 00:51:21,244 --> 00:51:22,328 Let's eat. 1164 00:51:24,372 --> 00:51:25,957 Unfortunately, there was that thing. 1165 00:51:26,082 --> 00:51:27,500 "Who's the director? 1166 00:51:27,625 --> 00:51:29,043 Is it Melanie or is it Hunter 1167 00:51:29,168 --> 00:51:30,920 or is it Dave?" 1168 00:51:31,045 --> 00:51:34,132 I'm still proud of it, but if you watch that movie, 1169 00:51:34,257 --> 00:51:37,969 and you can explain the plot to me, uh, cool, you know? 1170 00:51:40,054 --> 00:51:43,433 We filmed "Skulhedface" in 35 millimeter 1171 00:51:43,558 --> 00:51:45,893 with the intention of it having a theatrical, 1172 00:51:46,019 --> 00:51:48,396 midnight-movie cult release. 1173 00:51:48,521 --> 00:51:50,398 None of that happened. 1174 00:51:51,983 --> 00:51:54,068 After, we were like, "Oh, we're going up." 1175 00:51:54,193 --> 00:51:56,821 Grammy nomination for this one that we sort of threw together. 1176 00:51:56,946 --> 00:51:58,740 Now we're putting all this effort into it. 1177 00:51:58,865 --> 00:52:02,744 And then it's just, like, enh. Forgotten, cut-out bin. 1178 00:52:02,869 --> 00:52:06,289 I know I saw it physically with Chuck and Don, 1179 00:52:06,414 --> 00:52:09,083 you know, how the disappointment really soured them. 1180 00:52:09,208 --> 00:52:10,418 We were like, "Okay. 1181 00:52:10,543 --> 00:52:12,587 We got a Grammy for this last movie. 1182 00:52:12,712 --> 00:52:15,506 'Skulhedface, ' we're gonna start making movies and comics, 1183 00:52:15,632 --> 00:52:17,800 and we're gonna be a punk rock Disney." 1184 00:52:17,925 --> 00:52:22,096 But it's also where it... it all fell apart, to a degree. 1185 00:52:27,852 --> 00:52:31,230 We were mixing..."Toilet Earth." 1186 00:52:37,779 --> 00:52:39,489 We were mixing the album, 1187 00:52:39,614 --> 00:52:43,868 and we had to drive back to Richmond for a photo shoot. 1188 00:52:43,993 --> 00:52:45,453 We were in a station wagon, 1189 00:52:45,578 --> 00:52:47,622 and Pete was sitting in the back. 1190 00:52:47,747 --> 00:52:49,749 We had to take a piss, so we pulled off. 1191 00:52:49,874 --> 00:52:53,586 And right as we did, this car next to us turned, 1192 00:52:53,711 --> 00:52:55,546 very deliberately, in front of us, right? 1193 00:52:55,672 --> 00:52:58,925 So we clipped... like, just barely hit... his back end. 1194 00:52:59,050 --> 00:53:01,552 Right away, I'm like, "Drive off. Drive off. 1195 00:53:01,678 --> 00:53:03,638 They're gonna rob us." It was so obvious. 1196 00:53:03,763 --> 00:53:06,724 The guys in the car that hit us immediately hop out 1197 00:53:06,849 --> 00:53:08,559 and pull out a gun. 1198 00:53:08,685 --> 00:53:11,938 "Oh, shit." So he floors it, and we just take off. 1199 00:53:12,063 --> 00:53:13,606 And they start shooting at us. 1200 00:53:13,731 --> 00:53:15,501 It was like an automatic, semiautomatic handgun. 1201 00:53:15,525 --> 00:53:16,877 It was like, "Tak, tak, tak, tak, tak." 1202 00:53:16,901 --> 00:53:18,319 One, two, three, four, five, 1203 00:53:18,444 --> 00:53:21,447 and, poof, came through, hit me in the chest. 1204 00:53:22,115 --> 00:53:23,908 Everything went slow motion. 1205 00:53:24,033 --> 00:53:26,536 I'm like, "Wow. I've been shot. Never thought I'd be shot. 1206 00:53:26,661 --> 00:53:28,162 Wow! I've been shot!" 1207 00:53:28,287 --> 00:53:30,415 Pete goes, "I'm shot. I'm shot." 1208 00:53:30,540 --> 00:53:33,376 Straz puts his hand on Pete's chest, 1209 00:53:33,501 --> 00:53:36,337 and he pulls it back, and you could see his hand was all red. 1210 00:53:36,462 --> 00:53:37,922 And he starts freaking out. 1211 00:53:38,047 --> 00:53:41,426 And when he did, he kicked the driver. 1212 00:53:41,551 --> 00:53:46,472 So the driver of the car goes into the median strip 1213 00:53:46,597 --> 00:53:48,474 and flattens two tires. 1214 00:53:48,599 --> 00:53:51,477 Blows out the tire probably about five blocks away 1215 00:53:51,602 --> 00:53:53,646 from where the guys just shot at us. 1216 00:53:53,771 --> 00:53:55,606 We open the back of the station wagon. 1217 00:53:55,732 --> 00:53:57,275 Pete is laying on that, 1218 00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,236 and he's sucking wind because his lung is punctured. 1219 00:54:00,361 --> 00:54:02,822 So, he's going like... Right? 1220 00:54:02,947 --> 00:54:06,159 And we're watching him die. That's what we think. 1221 00:54:06,284 --> 00:54:11,164 I jump into the back with Pete, and, like, the tailgate's open, 1222 00:54:11,289 --> 00:54:13,449 and he's just sitting in the back of the station wagon. 1223 00:54:13,541 --> 00:54:17,044 And here comes this car flying around the corner, 1224 00:54:17,170 --> 00:54:18,296 hauling ass up to us. 1225 00:54:18,421 --> 00:54:21,048 Everyone just bolts into the ghetto. 1226 00:54:21,174 --> 00:54:23,718 But Derks stayed there with me. 1227 00:54:23,843 --> 00:54:26,554 All these guys with guns jump out of the car, 1228 00:54:26,679 --> 00:54:28,181 fucking point them at me and Pete. 1229 00:54:28,306 --> 00:54:30,725 They put guns in the air and they go, "Freeze!" 1230 00:54:30,850 --> 00:54:31,893 "Freeze!� 1231 00:54:32,018 --> 00:54:33,978 I immediately soiled my pants. 1232 00:54:34,103 --> 00:54:36,647 'Cause I had to pee. Remember? I had to pee. 1233 00:54:36,773 --> 00:54:38,399 I was holding it after they shot me. 1234 00:54:38,524 --> 00:54:39,734 That's pretty good. 1235 00:54:39,859 --> 00:54:41,211 They shoot me, and I'm still holding it. 1236 00:54:41,235 --> 00:54:43,029 It seemed like an hour went by, 1237 00:54:43,154 --> 00:54:44,947 and he finally goes, "Gang patrol!" 1238 00:54:45,072 --> 00:54:46,866 I'm like, "Damn. Thank God." 1239 00:54:46,991 --> 00:54:48,218 "Cause I thought he was gonna shoot me 1240 00:54:48,242 --> 00:54:49,911 right in the fuckin' face. 1241 00:54:50,036 --> 00:54:54,499 They were just, like, these plainclothes gangster, like... 1242 00:54:54,624 --> 00:54:56,459 I guess they infiltrated gangs and stuff. 1243 00:54:56,584 --> 00:54:59,796 But they looked, you know, like fucking gangsters. 1244 00:54:59,921 --> 00:55:01,672 I didn't experience them as police. 1245 00:55:01,798 --> 00:55:04,300 Like, they got out, and I just started running. 1246 00:55:04,425 --> 00:55:07,470 And they pull us all back, and Derks is still there. 1247 00:55:07,595 --> 00:55:09,263 Derks never ran. 1248 00:55:09,388 --> 00:55:12,266 He stayed there with Pete, thinking that he was gonna die. 1249 00:55:12,391 --> 00:55:15,019 Like, you know, he just... He just stayed there. 1250 00:55:15,144 --> 00:55:17,772 That's the kind of guy he is. 1251 00:55:17,897 --> 00:55:19,398 Yeah. He's not very smart, is he? 1252 00:55:21,567 --> 00:55:23,319 No. I love Derks to death, man. 1253 00:55:23,444 --> 00:55:25,446 We have a bond, man. 1254 00:55:25,571 --> 00:55:27,573 "Cause I would've been running like a motherfucker. 1255 00:55:27,698 --> 00:55:29,116 I'm kidding. 1256 00:55:29,242 --> 00:55:31,869 I relayed all the information to the cop. 1257 00:55:31,994 --> 00:55:33,663 And he's looking at Derks, and he's like, 1258 00:55:33,788 --> 00:55:37,124 "I'm worried about that guy. He looks like he's in shock." 1259 00:55:37,792 --> 00:55:39,001 Yeah. 1260 00:55:39,126 --> 00:55:41,712 I kind of... blank out after that. 1261 00:55:41,838 --> 00:55:44,090 I don't remember getting to the hospital. 1262 00:55:44,215 --> 00:55:46,384 We were on the way to do a photo shoot, 1263 00:55:46,509 --> 00:55:49,679 and I didn't make it, and they still had to do the shoot. 1264 00:55:49,804 --> 00:55:51,889 What I remember about this... 1265 00:55:52,014 --> 00:55:53,933 "We've already rented the cameras. 1266 00:55:54,058 --> 00:55:56,102 We've already got the lights. 1267 00:55:56,227 --> 00:55:59,522 It's all set up. We have to film this tomorrow. 1268 00:56:00,523 --> 00:56:03,442 We're coming to get you in this van"... 1269 00:56:03,568 --> 00:56:04,568 You know, me and Derks. 1270 00:56:04,610 --> 00:56:06,028 And Derks, at this point, 1271 00:56:06,153 --> 00:56:09,490 like, I am more worried about him than I am Pete, 1272 00:56:09,615 --> 00:56:12,410 because he's rattled, man. 1273 00:56:12,535 --> 00:56:16,664 Like, he's not talking at all, and his eyes don't look right. 1274 00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:20,459 And... they put us in the back of this van. 1275 00:56:20,585 --> 00:56:22,896 They come up to get us in a van that doesn't have seats in it. 1276 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,256 It was just a back, right? 1277 00:56:25,381 --> 00:56:28,384 And so every time the van, it would bounce, 1278 00:56:28,509 --> 00:56:32,972 we would scream out, 'cause we were so raw. 1279 00:56:33,639 --> 00:56:38,936 And I resented that more than I can describe to you right now. 1280 00:56:39,645 --> 00:56:42,523 That slave attitude that I talked about earlier, 1281 00:56:42,648 --> 00:56:44,025 the dark side of that 1282 00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:46,444 is that the individual didn't matter at all. 1283 00:56:46,569 --> 00:56:48,863 Not at all. That's what it felt like to me. 1284 00:56:48,988 --> 00:56:51,407 I felt traumatized by that. 1285 00:56:51,532 --> 00:56:53,868 And I didn't understand why 1286 00:56:53,993 --> 00:56:56,871 or how they could let it get to that point. 1287 00:56:56,996 --> 00:56:59,874 And so that's really why I left. 1288 00:57:03,336 --> 00:57:08,841 So Pete had to have a big section of his colon taken out. 1289 00:57:08,966 --> 00:57:11,260 Lived with a colostomy bag for years, 1290 00:57:11,385 --> 00:57:14,722 is still having health issues related to it. 1291 00:57:14,847 --> 00:57:16,057 What you gonna do? 1292 00:57:16,182 --> 00:57:19,602 You know, welcome to America, right? 1293 00:57:19,727 --> 00:57:21,938 But, um... 1294 00:57:22,063 --> 00:57:25,024 don't ride in a hatchback if you're gonna get shot at. 1295 00:57:25,149 --> 00:57:27,944 But as soon as he could, he was back onstage, 1296 00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:29,946 rocking out with a colostomy bag. 1297 00:57:36,077 --> 00:57:37,244 Did you have a cesarean? 1298 00:57:37,370 --> 00:57:39,205 Oh, that's where the ringworm went in. 1299 00:57:39,330 --> 00:57:41,958 Right there. Big... Big ringworm. 1300 00:57:42,083 --> 00:57:43,209 Texas ringworm. 1301 00:57:46,754 --> 00:57:49,215 Yeah, when GWAR was looking for a bass player, 1302 00:57:49,340 --> 00:57:52,134 I knew the perfect guy for GWAR, and it was Casey. 1303 00:57:52,259 --> 00:57:54,220 Of course, Casey, coming from Rigor Mortis, 1304 00:57:54,345 --> 00:57:57,765 that's, like, legitimate metal player. 1305 00:57:58,808 --> 00:58:01,477 I was 100% on board, and then he told me 1306 00:58:01,602 --> 00:58:03,771 I'd have to pay for my own flight up to Richmond. 1307 00:58:03,896 --> 00:58:08,985 And I was broke as a joke, so... I-I guess I can't. 1308 00:58:09,110 --> 00:58:11,487 I was like, "Really?" 1309 00:58:11,612 --> 00:58:13,906 Luckily, he called me the next day 1310 00:58:14,031 --> 00:58:15,741 and said he had talked them into it 1311 00:58:15,866 --> 00:58:17,827 and they were gonna pay for my flight up there. 1312 00:58:17,952 --> 00:58:21,205 That was it. I just had to learn some songs, and I had them. 1313 00:58:21,330 --> 00:58:24,208 It doesn't take much. 1314 00:58:24,333 --> 00:58:26,669 You can put on a hat and feel like a cowboy, you know? 1315 00:58:26,794 --> 00:58:28,129 Put on a Beefcake costume, 1316 00:58:28,254 --> 00:58:31,424 and I turned into that version of Beefcake. 1317 00:58:31,549 --> 00:58:34,051 Man, it was like joining a fraternity, joining a family. 1318 00:58:34,176 --> 00:58:36,846 You know, it really was. 1319 00:58:36,971 --> 00:58:41,350 Beefcake the Mighty number 2, 4,6, 8 and 10. 1320 00:58:48,566 --> 00:58:50,067 We were on Metal Blade. 1321 00:58:50,192 --> 00:58:53,237 And Metal Blade was getting picked up by Warner Bros. 1322 00:58:53,362 --> 00:58:54,756 Which would be huge for GWAR, right? 1323 00:58:54,780 --> 00:58:55,948 Like, the next step. 1324 00:58:56,073 --> 00:58:57,426 We would get into more record stores. 1325 00:58:57,450 --> 00:58:59,368 We'd have a bigger push marketingwise 1326 00:58:59,493 --> 00:59:01,328 behind the record, all of this stuff. 1327 00:59:01,454 --> 00:59:03,664 At that time, Warner had just been bought by Time Inc., 1328 00:59:03,789 --> 00:59:06,167 which is this huge multinational corporation. 1329 00:59:06,292 --> 00:59:09,503 So, of course, the first record we put out is a GWAR record 1330 00:59:09,628 --> 00:59:12,506 with a song called "BDF"... "Baby Dick Fuck"... on it. 1331 00:59:12,631 --> 00:59:14,508 # Baby! Dick! Fuck! # 1332 00:59:14,633 --> 00:59:17,136 They were like, "Yeah. We're not putting that out."� 1333 00:59:17,261 --> 00:59:19,055 It was so filthy that... 1334 00:59:19,180 --> 00:59:20,598 I mean, I thought I'd heard it all. 1335 00:59:20,723 --> 00:59:24,185 But, you know, Brockie, wordsmith that he is, 1336 00:59:24,310 --> 00:59:25,686 managed to find a way. 1337 00:59:25,811 --> 00:59:26,979 "If you get rid of that song, 1338 00:59:27,104 --> 00:59:29,607 we'll take you to the next level." 1339 00:59:29,732 --> 00:59:31,859 So, like, from here to here, I guess. 1340 00:59:31,984 --> 00:59:33,694 And it meant more money. 1341 00:59:33,819 --> 00:59:35,738 We had a meeting about it. 1342 00:59:35,863 --> 00:59:38,991 A bunch of artists and musicians trying to come to one decision. 1343 00:59:39,116 --> 00:59:41,035 I was like, "I'm staying out of this shit. 1344 00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,829 I'm the new guy." It's like... 1345 00:59:43,954 --> 00:59:47,708 Brockie made a speech that would have made Marc Antony blush, 1346 00:59:47,833 --> 00:59:50,419 saying we'll never fall back on our art. 1347 00:59:50,544 --> 00:59:52,630 And so Warner Bros. Dropped us. 1348 00:59:52,755 --> 00:59:54,548 So we found out the hard way 1349 00:59:54,673 --> 00:59:57,176 that you really cannot get away with everything. 1350 00:59:59,637 --> 01:00:03,307 Metal Blade backed us on it, so they kind of missed out 1351 01:00:03,432 --> 01:00:06,268 on getting their major Warner Bros. Distribution 1352 01:00:06,393 --> 01:00:08,395 because of us. 1353 01:00:08,521 --> 01:00:11,440 I'm a stern believer in you sign an artist 1354 01:00:11,565 --> 01:00:13,943 and they have a vision and they have what they want to say 1355 01:00:14,068 --> 01:00:15,736 and do and they should do that. 1356 01:00:15,861 --> 01:00:18,447 I'm the last person to censor what they should do or say. 1357 01:00:18,572 --> 01:00:20,574 To that fact, I mean, we gave up a record deal 1358 01:00:20,699 --> 01:00:22,326 with Warner Bros. Records 1359 01:00:22,451 --> 01:00:24,620 just because we couldn't put out a GWAR record. 1360 01:00:24,745 --> 01:00:27,706 We shipped 70,000 albums. 1361 01:00:27,832 --> 01:00:31,877 We charted at 168, and we were so ecstatic. 1362 01:00:32,002 --> 01:00:35,965 And then, all of a sudden, 40,000 records get shipped back. 1363 01:00:36,090 --> 01:00:38,926 They had some pretty poppy songs that could have been... 1364 01:00:39,051 --> 01:00:41,595 Not radio hits but could have been, you know, something. 1365 01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,140 But Dave would always put in crazy lyrics in there 1366 01:00:44,265 --> 01:00:45,432 that would prohibit them 1367 01:00:45,558 --> 01:00:47,038 from getting ever played on the radio. 1368 01:00:47,101 --> 01:00:48,686 # Fish fuck, baby # 1369 01:00:48,811 --> 01:00:50,771 # I'm gonna fuck you with a fish # 1370 01:00:50,896 --> 01:00:53,065 One day I was talking to Dave, and he's like, "Yeah. 1371 01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:55,070 You know, maybe I shouldn't have messed that up. 1372 01:00:55,151 --> 01:00:56,735 Maybe we should have written a pop song. 1373 01:00:56,861 --> 01:00:59,446 Maybe I should have not put in five 'fucks' 1374 01:00:59,572 --> 01:01:01,157 and whatever else was in there." 1375 01:01:01,282 --> 01:01:02,825 "Well, there you go. 1376 01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:04,618 You probably should have done that." 1377 01:01:04,743 --> 01:01:08,205 The thing is, we never really had the chance to sell out. 1378 01:01:08,330 --> 01:01:11,041 We never had, "If you just do this, 1379 01:01:11,167 --> 01:01:13,043 you'll get this pot of gold." 1380 01:01:13,169 --> 01:01:15,462 Because if that happened, you know what? 1381 01:01:15,588 --> 01:01:17,798 We probably would. 1382 01:01:19,592 --> 01:01:22,678 As long as it's a decent-size pot of gold. 1383 01:01:31,103 --> 01:01:35,274 How many people out there have heard of Slave Pit Incorporated? 1384 01:01:36,692 --> 01:01:39,153 Slave Pit is sponsoring a special section 1385 01:01:39,278 --> 01:01:41,739 of the T-shirt tonight, featuring... 1386 01:01:41,864 --> 01:01:44,241 featuring cool comics 1387 01:01:44,366 --> 01:01:46,994 written and drawn by the guys in GWAR. 1388 01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:50,831 My goals were very different from Dave Brockie's goals. 1389 01:01:50,956 --> 01:01:53,542 I wanted to publish comic books and make movies. 1390 01:01:53,667 --> 01:01:56,295 Dave wanted to be a super rock star. 1391 01:01:56,420 --> 01:01:58,297 Dave wanted to make movies and comics as well, 1392 01:01:58,422 --> 01:02:00,507 but he just wanted it to be about him. 1393 01:02:00,633 --> 01:02:04,011 And that was where our divergence and clashes 1394 01:02:04,136 --> 01:02:06,096 all emanated, basically. 1395 01:02:06,222 --> 01:02:09,934 There was always tension between all the hierarchy people. 1396 01:02:10,059 --> 01:02:12,561 It was a little bit destructive, 1397 01:02:12,686 --> 01:02:16,398 because there wasn't cohesion with those people 1398 01:02:16,523 --> 01:02:18,776 because everybody was vying for their own position, 1399 01:02:18,901 --> 01:02:21,654 trying to fight to have their spot in the band 1400 01:02:21,779 --> 01:02:24,156 and the gladiatorial competition 1401 01:02:24,281 --> 01:02:26,533 to have the stronger idea survive. 1402 01:02:26,659 --> 01:02:29,912 I mean, Hunter and Dave having to constantly battle 1403 01:02:30,037 --> 01:02:33,040 with each other and have this tension. 1404 01:02:33,165 --> 01:02:35,542 To me, being in GWAR 1405 01:02:35,668 --> 01:02:39,838 was like being on the world's greatest basketball team, 1406 01:02:39,964 --> 01:02:42,466 but you never make it to the playoffs 1407 01:02:42,591 --> 01:02:45,886 because your own teammates are always stealing the ball 1408 01:02:46,011 --> 01:02:47,846 just as you're about to score. 1409 01:02:47,972 --> 01:02:50,724 And I felt like I had to dance with the devil 1410 01:02:50,849 --> 01:02:54,019 in order to get a lot of things accomplished. 1411 01:02:54,144 --> 01:02:57,439 Me and Hunter had static multiple times from things, 1412 01:02:57,564 --> 01:03:00,401 where I thought I'm helping Hunter 1413 01:03:00,526 --> 01:03:04,530 and then he took it as a slight towards him. 1414 01:03:04,655 --> 01:03:07,741 You know, instead of it looking like master and apprentice, 1415 01:03:07,866 --> 01:03:10,202 he looked at it as competition. 1416 01:03:10,327 --> 01:03:12,871 Hunter is sort of a genius. 1417 01:03:12,997 --> 01:03:15,582 Like, I'm a big fan of his art and his concepts. 1418 01:03:15,708 --> 01:03:18,460 But he doesn't play well with others, you know? 1419 01:03:18,585 --> 01:03:21,880 He thinks that if anyone takes one of his ideas 1420 01:03:22,006 --> 01:03:23,299 and changes it... 1421 01:03:23,424 --> 01:03:25,175 Which is the nature of collaboration... 1422 01:03:25,301 --> 01:03:29,847 That it's someone... doing something to you. 1423 01:03:29,972 --> 01:03:32,433 Listen to the songs that Hunter Jackson sings. 1424 01:03:32,558 --> 01:03:34,768 Listen to what he's saying in those songs. 1425 01:03:34,893 --> 01:03:39,064 They're all like, you know... "You fucked up. 1426 01:03:39,189 --> 01:03:40,899 You ruined everything," 1427 01:03:41,025 --> 01:03:43,652 like, "You took this away from me." 1428 01:03:43,777 --> 01:03:47,197 It's like, all of that stuff was there onstage. 1429 01:03:47,323 --> 01:03:52,536 # How dare you try to make a slave of me # 1430 01:03:52,661 --> 01:03:54,580 And everybody knew it. Hunter knew it, you know? 1431 01:03:54,705 --> 01:03:56,457 So it was always like... 1432 01:03:56,582 --> 01:04:00,627 real but also at the distance that art allowed. 1433 01:04:00,753 --> 01:04:04,882 # GWAR will die # 1434 01:04:07,009 --> 01:04:09,928 Me and Bobby, you know, we were slaves. 1435 01:04:10,054 --> 01:04:11,948 That's how we were identified for the longest time. 1436 01:04:11,972 --> 01:04:14,224 It was like, "Oh, isn't it nice that they let you 1437 01:04:14,350 --> 01:04:16,810 come out on tour with them," and blah-blah-blah-blah-blah. 1438 01:04:16,935 --> 01:04:18,812 We were the guys that were sort of, 1439 01:04:18,937 --> 01:04:20,606 "Oh, don't listen to that punk kid. 1440 01:04:20,731 --> 01:04:22,483 He doesn't know what he's talking about."� 1441 01:04:22,608 --> 01:04:24,693 And at a certain point, I didn't. 1442 01:04:24,818 --> 01:04:27,363 But you're giving up so much of your life 1443 01:04:27,488 --> 01:04:28,989 and you're struggling so hard 1444 01:04:29,114 --> 01:04:31,325 to be part of this thing that's so great, 1445 01:04:31,450 --> 01:04:33,660 and you're just slaves. 1446 01:04:33,786 --> 01:04:35,621 Don't get so close. Do that over again. 1447 01:04:35,746 --> 01:04:37,414 Don't get so close to the camera. 1448 01:04:37,539 --> 01:04:39,392 I was looking to a lot of these older guys 1449 01:04:39,416 --> 01:04:41,210 for tutelage in what was happening. 1450 01:04:41,335 --> 01:04:42,920 You know, come to find later on 1451 01:04:43,045 --> 01:04:45,065 they didn't know what the hell they were doing either. 1452 01:04:52,262 --> 01:04:53,806 GWAR was at this stage 1453 01:04:53,931 --> 01:04:55,891 where we just did whatever we wanted. 1454 01:04:56,016 --> 01:04:58,216 So if we wanted to play stuff that wasn't thrash or punk 1455 01:04:58,268 --> 01:05:00,479 or stuff that wasn't metal, we did it. 1456 01:05:00,604 --> 01:05:03,023 # Now they know they can't control us # 1457 01:05:03,148 --> 01:05:05,567 # I'm Sleazy, and I think you ought to know this # 1458 01:05:05,692 --> 01:05:07,486 # Everybody rip everybody else off # 1459 01:05:07,611 --> 01:05:09,988 # Everybody rip, rip everybody off # 1460 01:05:10,114 --> 01:05:12,175 It's not like today, where the fans could tell you 1461 01:05:12,199 --> 01:05:13,659 immediately what they think of it. 1462 01:05:13,784 --> 01:05:15,304 We were just sort of like, "We're GWAR. 1463 01:05:15,411 --> 01:05:17,305 We're gonna write whatever kind of music we want," 1464 01:05:17,329 --> 01:05:18,539 and we did it. 1465 01:05:18,664 --> 01:05:20,207 Come on, ladies. Sing it with me. 1466 01:05:20,332 --> 01:05:23,001 # Don't need a lover # 1467 01:05:23,127 --> 01:05:25,504 # Don't need a man # 1468 01:05:25,629 --> 01:05:27,023 We thought the band should be 1469 01:05:27,047 --> 01:05:28,127 much larger than they were. 1470 01:05:28,215 --> 01:05:29,425 They had Grammy nominations. 1471 01:05:29,550 --> 01:05:30,950 They were doing huge headline tours. 1472 01:05:31,051 --> 01:05:32,636 They were doing all this amazing art. 1473 01:05:32,761 --> 01:05:35,514 But we didn't have the sales 1474 01:05:35,639 --> 01:05:38,016 that we all felt that the band should have. 1475 01:05:38,142 --> 01:05:41,353 Long-form video had been a big form of income for us, 1476 01:05:41,478 --> 01:05:44,648 because we would get like $100,000 budgets, 1477 01:05:44,773 --> 01:05:46,316 and that would pay people's salaries 1478 01:05:46,442 --> 01:05:49,987 and pay for us to come up with a new plan and new idea. 1479 01:05:50,112 --> 01:05:52,364 And all that money was sort of drying up. 1480 01:05:52,489 --> 01:05:54,175 And we were touring a lot, and touring and touring 1481 01:05:54,199 --> 01:05:56,743 and touring and touring, and it was just relentless. 1482 01:05:56,869 --> 01:05:59,872 MAN... and suggest that the three of you 1483 01:05:59,997 --> 01:06:03,709 could be joined by a friend of yours for an additional $100. 1484 01:06:03,834 --> 01:06:06,837 You know, I fucking did a lot of partying on the road. 1485 01:06:06,962 --> 01:06:11,508 I toured a long time with being shot, you know? 1486 01:06:11,633 --> 01:06:13,510 I mean, I toured with a colostomy bag. 1487 01:06:13,635 --> 01:06:15,846 That's not the healthiest lifestyle 1488 01:06:15,971 --> 01:06:19,141 if you're not good friends with Will Power. 1489 01:06:19,266 --> 01:06:21,143 And I wasn't. 1490 01:06:21,268 --> 01:06:22,561 As I remember it, 1491 01:06:22,686 --> 01:06:25,355 a point came where we just all felt like, 1492 01:06:25,481 --> 01:06:29,651 if he doesn't go home and take care of himself, 1493 01:06:29,776 --> 01:06:31,320 he's going to die. 1494 01:06:31,445 --> 01:06:32,613 He's going to die. 1495 01:06:32,738 --> 01:06:34,323 He was in a bad place anyway, 1496 01:06:34,448 --> 01:06:37,451 so I think when GWAR approached him 1497 01:06:37,576 --> 01:06:43,040 to sit out the tour cycle and get healthy and come back, 1498 01:06:43,165 --> 01:06:46,084 he heard, "Get out and fuck off." 1499 01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:49,171 I definitely needed a break. 1500 01:06:49,296 --> 01:06:51,590 And they gave me one by firing me. 1501 01:06:57,095 --> 01:06:59,264 # I need your happiness # 1502 01:06:59,389 --> 01:07:00,867 I called my brother, and he's like, 1503 01:07:00,891 --> 01:07:04,728 "Dude, Dave Brockie left a message?" 1504 01:07:04,853 --> 01:07:08,023 He was like, "It's Oderus Urungus from GWAR." 1505 01:07:08,148 --> 01:07:10,609 He goes, "It sounds like fucking Oderus 1506 01:07:10,734 --> 01:07:13,862 is yelling at me on my answering machine." 1507 01:07:13,987 --> 01:07:16,573 I want my fucking cuttlefish back! 1508 01:07:16,698 --> 01:07:19,076 And so then I'm getting an audition with GWAR. 1509 01:07:19,201 --> 01:07:20,744 Cut to just a few weeks later, 1510 01:07:20,869 --> 01:07:24,873 and I'm walking out in this Flattus Maximus costume 1511 01:07:24,998 --> 01:07:27,960 with the shoulder pads and the dumb flipper feet. 1512 01:07:28,085 --> 01:07:29,211 Yeah. 1513 01:07:29,336 --> 01:07:30,688 And looking in the mirror at myself, 1514 01:07:30,712 --> 01:07:33,131 like, "What the fuck am I doing?" 1515 01:07:33,257 --> 01:07:35,551 # Nitro-burnin' funny bong # 1516 01:07:35,676 --> 01:07:39,179 # Nitro-burnin' funny bong, Nitro-burnin'... # 1517 01:07:39,304 --> 01:07:40,657 And so it felt like a superhero. 1518 01:07:40,681 --> 01:07:41,681 It felt awesome. 1519 01:07:45,143 --> 01:07:47,604 You said that we Kill everything. 1520 01:07:47,729 --> 01:07:51,024 Which just happens to be the name of GWAR's new album, 1521 01:07:51,149 --> 01:07:53,610 available on Metal Blade Records! 1522 01:07:54,987 --> 01:07:56,989 # Fuckin' an animal # 1523 01:07:58,782 --> 01:07:59,783 # Fuckin' an animal # 1524 01:07:59,908 --> 01:08:02,077 I've always, as a fan of music, 1525 01:08:02,202 --> 01:08:04,246 gotten kind of critical of bands that I like 1526 01:08:04,371 --> 01:08:06,039 when they get kind of silly. 1527 01:08:06,164 --> 01:08:09,418 And then I'm the one singing as a giant talking toilet 1528 01:08:09,543 --> 01:08:11,336 on that one album. 1529 01:08:11,461 --> 01:08:14,256 That's the one, jackass. 1530 01:08:16,300 --> 01:08:18,552 We got to an H R. Pufnstuf stage, 1531 01:08:18,677 --> 01:08:20,429 where our bodyguard has a big penis 1532 01:08:20,554 --> 01:08:23,515 with A big ball sac, Popeye chin. 1533 01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,476 It got really silly and not metal, 1534 01:08:26,602 --> 01:08:29,688 and I understand why albums weren't selling as well 1535 01:08:29,813 --> 01:08:32,566 and Metal Blade wasn't as interested in us. 1536 01:08:32,691 --> 01:08:34,818 The show wasn't working. It was confusing. 1537 01:08:34,943 --> 01:08:38,947 People were like, "What in the fuck is happening?" 1538 01:08:39,072 --> 01:08:40,407 The thing about it is, 1539 01:08:40,532 --> 01:08:43,577 Brockie is also the most gregarious, 1540 01:08:43,702 --> 01:08:46,330 hysterical human being I ever met in my life. 1541 01:08:46,455 --> 01:08:51,335 I remember we played Europe, and I walked into the airport, 1542 01:08:51,460 --> 01:08:56,131 and Dave has a leather jacket, leather pants, motorcycle boots, 1543 01:08:56,256 --> 01:08:58,467 and wrap-around, like, Oakley sunglasses. 1544 01:08:58,592 --> 01:09:00,385 And he's the Terminator. 1545 01:09:01,219 --> 01:09:03,680 And I just go up to him, and I'm like, "Ha. Terminator." 1546 01:09:03,805 --> 01:09:06,266 And he's just standing in the middle of the airport. 1547 01:09:06,391 --> 01:09:07,493 I go, "Dave, what are you doing?" 1548 01:09:07,517 --> 01:09:09,061 He goes, "There is no Dave." 1549 01:09:09,186 --> 01:09:12,147 And so he's actually impersonating the Terminator. 1550 01:09:12,272 --> 01:09:13,940 And I'm like, "Kick-ass." 1551 01:09:14,066 --> 01:09:15,442 'Cause with Dave, you never knew 1552 01:09:15,567 --> 01:09:18,070 how long you were in on this ride. 1553 01:09:18,195 --> 01:09:20,989 Turns out... a few months. 1554 01:09:21,114 --> 01:09:22,783 He didn't break character. 1555 01:09:22,908 --> 01:09:26,536 He was the Terminator for the entire tour. 1556 01:09:26,662 --> 01:09:28,413 And at one point, 1557 01:09:28,538 --> 01:09:32,417 we were walking in the streets in New Orleans, broad daylight, 1558 01:09:32,542 --> 01:09:35,587 and we could hear somebody running behind us, 1559 01:09:35,712 --> 01:09:37,130 and it was Brockie, 1560 01:09:37,255 --> 01:09:39,925 totally Donald Ducking, but Terminator-style. 1561 01:09:40,050 --> 01:09:43,136 So he had a leather jacket with no pants and combat boots... 1562 01:09:43,261 --> 01:09:44,763 Or his, like, motorcycle boots. 1563 01:09:44,888 --> 01:09:46,181 And he was just jacking off, 1564 01:09:46,306 --> 01:09:49,810 running down the street, with sunglasses on. 1565 01:09:50,602 --> 01:09:51,602 Yeah. 1566 01:09:53,105 --> 01:09:56,316 I mean, you don't forget that. 1567 01:09:56,441 --> 01:09:58,985 My vision of him as a friend 1568 01:09:59,111 --> 01:10:03,365 was this guy who always had a great story to tell 1569 01:10:03,490 --> 01:10:07,119 in the most ridiculous way possible. 1570 01:10:07,244 --> 01:10:09,830 He always had a way of making you feel special 1571 01:10:09,955 --> 01:10:11,206 and making you feel involved, 1572 01:10:11,331 --> 01:10:13,625 but he was also, like, hard to handle. 1573 01:10:13,750 --> 01:10:19,423 Like, you had to be in a wild mood to even keep up with Dave. 1574 01:10:19,548 --> 01:10:20,966 We had this superfan 1575 01:10:21,091 --> 01:10:23,593 who would send us bottles of liquid acid. 1576 01:10:24,177 --> 01:10:26,513 And they'd be in the freezer at the slave pit. 1577 01:10:26,638 --> 01:10:28,932 I'm up there working on something with Don, 1578 01:10:29,057 --> 01:10:32,102 and Dave comes in with a bunch of people he's collected. 1579 01:10:32,227 --> 01:10:33,937 They're gonna go on an adventure. 1580 01:10:34,062 --> 01:10:37,315 And Dave pulls the bottle of liquid acid out of the freezer, 1581 01:10:37,441 --> 01:10:39,109 and he squirts so much into his eyeball, 1582 01:10:39,234 --> 01:10:40,318 I couldn't believe it. 1583 01:10:40,444 --> 01:10:42,946 Just like "Fff!" you know? 1584 01:10:43,071 --> 01:10:44,698 And then he was gone for three days. 1585 01:10:44,823 --> 01:10:47,826 And I heard stuff, like, all over town, like, "Oh, we were... 1586 01:10:47,951 --> 01:10:53,165 I think we were running up the center of 64 median naked." 1587 01:10:53,290 --> 01:10:56,376 And then, like, you know, he comes in to work Monday, 1588 01:10:56,501 --> 01:10:58,003 and it's like nothing happened. 1589 01:10:58,128 --> 01:10:59,880 He's just like... 1590 01:11:00,005 --> 01:11:01,725 "I was tripping my balls off for three days. 1591 01:11:01,757 --> 01:11:03,151 I don't remember really what happened.� 1592 01:11:03,175 --> 01:11:05,010 He was, like, on these epic journeys 1593 01:11:05,135 --> 01:11:07,345 to the center of the mind. 1594 01:11:08,305 --> 01:11:10,849 So yeah, I mean, that's where he drew his creative well, 1595 01:11:10,974 --> 01:11:13,393 but sometimes it's really rough to work with someone 1596 01:11:13,518 --> 01:11:16,062 or try and rein that kind of personality in. 1597 01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:19,524 Once he got on one of these binges, 1598 01:11:19,649 --> 01:11:22,319 the lack of sleep would make him get a little unhinged, 1599 01:11:22,444 --> 01:11:24,112 a little unbalanced, 1600 01:11:24,237 --> 01:11:28,658 and he was trying to convince people to join his movement. 1601 01:11:28,784 --> 01:11:31,161 Sometimes he'd just get pretty divorced from reality, 1602 01:11:31,286 --> 01:11:33,038 and it would be a little scary. 1603 01:11:33,163 --> 01:11:35,248 Like, the Hale-Bopp thing was happening, 1604 01:11:35,373 --> 01:11:37,709 and the Heaven's Gate was all happening. 1605 01:11:37,834 --> 01:11:43,298 Your only chance to evacuate... is to leave with us. 1606 01:11:43,423 --> 01:11:45,884 The rest of us, we're just making some art. 1607 01:11:46,009 --> 01:11:50,096 This is a lot of, like, input to come up with these weird ideas. 1608 01:11:50,222 --> 01:11:52,307 Dave sort of started getting into believing it 1609 01:11:52,432 --> 01:11:54,184 and talking about how slave pit 1610 01:11:54,309 --> 01:11:57,354 was going to become their own renegade compound 1611 01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:59,159 and go up against the government and stuff. 1612 01:11:59,231 --> 01:12:03,735 And it would be like, "Oh, okay. Like, where... where... 1613 01:12:03,860 --> 01:12:06,238 Are you in character now, talking about this?" 1614 01:12:06,363 --> 01:12:08,073 # Summoning the master # 1615 01:12:10,283 --> 01:12:12,953 # Call forth his form most vile # 1616 01:12:13,078 --> 01:12:14,847 Dave never thought he was taking it far enough 1617 01:12:14,871 --> 01:12:16,289 or being true enough, 1618 01:12:16,414 --> 01:12:18,142 so he would, like, really push the boundaries. 1619 01:12:18,166 --> 01:12:21,753 And it would be sometimes where he was just out there. 1620 01:12:21,878 --> 01:12:23,964 There were plenty of times 1621 01:12:24,089 --> 01:12:28,093 when I saw Dave perform, and I'm like, "Oh, my God. 1622 01:12:28,218 --> 01:12:29,427 Dave is gone. 1623 01:12:29,553 --> 01:12:32,597 Whatever demon or monster drives him 1624 01:12:32,722 --> 01:12:35,058 is fully in control now, 1625 01:12:35,183 --> 01:12:38,019 and Dave Brockie is only a passenger 1626 01:12:38,144 --> 01:12:39,938 watching from the back seat.� 1627 01:12:40,730 --> 01:12:42,917 There's not many people that come along in your life 1628 01:12:42,941 --> 01:12:45,151 that are as big as Dave Brockie... 1629 01:12:45,277 --> 01:12:47,904 This just hyperartistic guy 1630 01:12:48,029 --> 01:12:49,614 with a bazillion ideas in his head, 1631 01:12:49,739 --> 01:12:50,949 going at all times, 1632 01:12:51,074 --> 01:12:54,077 very well read, very intelligent, 1633 01:12:54,202 --> 01:12:56,872 but at the same time, he had that sense of danger. 1634 01:12:56,997 --> 01:12:59,624 Like, you know he's gonna break that thing. 1635 01:12:59,749 --> 01:13:01,293 He's not gonna be able to help himself. 1636 01:13:01,418 --> 01:13:02,878 By the end of this interview, 1637 01:13:03,003 --> 01:13:06,047 he's gonna break that fucking vase. 1638 01:13:06,172 --> 01:13:08,300 When you do an interview, say, 1639 01:13:08,425 --> 01:13:12,012 with Dave Brockie, you are getting bowled over. 1640 01:13:12,137 --> 01:13:14,180 You could be sitting there in a monster costume. 1641 01:13:14,306 --> 01:13:17,559 You're not gonna say a fucking word, because why would you? 1642 01:13:17,684 --> 01:13:19,978 Whatever you say is gonna pale in comparison 1643 01:13:20,103 --> 01:13:22,814 to the amazing things that are coming out of his mouth, 1644 01:13:22,939 --> 01:13:25,817 like dictation from a higher being. 1645 01:13:25,942 --> 01:13:27,736 It worries me that somebody somewhere 1646 01:13:27,861 --> 01:13:30,405 is gonna watch you guys and say, "Okay. 1647 01:13:30,530 --> 01:13:31,740 That's what we do." 1648 01:13:31,865 --> 01:13:33,217 Let them join the Army or something. 1649 01:13:33,241 --> 01:13:34,510 There's plenty of outlets for that. 1650 01:13:34,534 --> 01:13:37,370 He was one of the all-time greats. 1651 01:13:37,495 --> 01:13:39,831 The all-time greats. There's no doubt about it. 1652 01:13:39,956 --> 01:13:41,958 There's never gonna be anyone like that guy. 1653 01:13:42,083 --> 01:13:46,171 Dave was really talented, but he was not a generous performer. 1654 01:13:46,296 --> 01:13:50,592 It wasn't about making room for other people to do what they do. 1655 01:13:50,717 --> 01:13:53,303 Like, they gave us the questions for that show. 1656 01:13:53,428 --> 01:13:55,889 So we get them from Joan's producers. 1657 01:13:56,014 --> 01:13:57,974 Before we go, we're sitting there 1658 01:13:58,099 --> 01:13:59,379 talking about what we're gonna do 1659 01:13:59,476 --> 01:14:00,995 and thinking of the ways we're gonna answer 1660 01:14:01,019 --> 01:14:02,646 and who's gonna say what, right? 1661 01:14:02,771 --> 01:14:06,858 But then we get there, and Dave starts saying it all... 1662 01:14:06,983 --> 01:14:08,693 Like, all the stuff we had planned to say. 1663 01:14:08,818 --> 01:14:10,278 We don't... 1664 01:14:10,403 --> 01:14:12,614 I don't watch... I don't watch much television. 1665 01:14:12,739 --> 01:14:14,616 - Of course we do. - Except for your show. 1666 01:14:16,034 --> 01:14:17,744 We watch your show 24 hours a day. 1667 01:14:17,869 --> 01:14:19,287 All the time. 1668 01:14:19,412 --> 01:14:21,164 And Dave, like, it never crossed his mind 1669 01:14:21,289 --> 01:14:24,125 that that was something that he wouldn't do. 1670 01:14:24,250 --> 01:14:26,378 Same thing with Sexecutioner. 1671 01:14:26,503 --> 01:14:28,088 Chuck would make these cool things 1672 01:14:28,213 --> 01:14:30,256 for the Sexecutioner to do, and then, 1673 01:14:30,382 --> 01:14:33,301 by the end of the show, Oderus would be doing them. 1674 01:14:33,426 --> 01:14:36,096 There wasn't room enough for the Sexecutioner 1675 01:14:36,221 --> 01:14:39,265 and Dave Brockie's ego on the stage at the same time. 1676 01:14:39,391 --> 01:14:42,435 I loved it. I loved my baby, you know? 1677 01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:46,189 It's the one thing that I did that people liked. 1678 01:14:46,314 --> 01:14:48,942 But it just wasn't fun anymore. 1679 01:14:49,067 --> 01:14:52,028 I think everybody was shocked when I just said, "No. 1680 01:14:52,153 --> 01:14:54,030 I've had enough. I'm gonna go." 1681 01:14:56,449 --> 01:14:59,369 I think Dave was at the point where he didn't want 1682 01:14:59,494 --> 01:15:02,872 all these extra characters stealing stage time from him 1683 01:15:02,998 --> 01:15:06,876 or upstaging him with their girly butt or whatever. 1684 01:15:08,837 --> 01:15:11,715 In my artistic journey, I had to keep going. 1685 01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:13,360 And I was doing the Miss Electra thing, 1686 01:15:13,466 --> 01:15:15,677 and it was a little, maybe, too dangerous 1687 01:15:15,802 --> 01:15:17,178 or the band was afraid of it. 1688 01:15:17,303 --> 01:15:18,847 And then, at that point, I was like, 1689 01:15:18,972 --> 01:15:20,574 "If I can't shoot lightning onstage with GWAR, 1690 01:15:20,598 --> 01:15:21,808 then I'm out of here." 1691 01:15:26,021 --> 01:15:28,815 We had a lot of cool shit planned, 1692 01:15:28,940 --> 01:15:30,775 but Dave and I were working against each other 1693 01:15:30,900 --> 01:15:31,985 just too much. 1694 01:15:32,110 --> 01:15:33,278 It was fucked up. 1695 01:15:35,363 --> 01:15:37,407 We'd just finished filming "It's Sleazy." 1696 01:15:37,532 --> 01:15:39,200 It's Sleazy! 1697 01:15:39,325 --> 01:15:40,645 We were gonna do it all ourselves, 1698 01:15:40,702 --> 01:15:43,079 and Hunter was the director this time. 1699 01:15:43,204 --> 01:15:44,372 I was finally given 1700 01:15:44,497 --> 01:15:47,208 the directorship of the project, right? 1701 01:15:47,333 --> 01:15:50,503 But the catch is, Dave is the producer. 1702 01:15:50,628 --> 01:15:52,630 So what happens is Dave hires 1703 01:15:52,756 --> 01:15:57,302 all of his half-ass junkie friends to be the crew, 1704 01:15:57,427 --> 01:15:59,137 and half of them don't show up. 1705 01:15:59,262 --> 01:16:00,805 And the ones that do show up 1706 01:16:00,930 --> 01:16:05,727 make outrageous, crazy mistakes that fucked us. 1707 01:16:05,852 --> 01:16:07,645 We'd just got all the footage filmed, 1708 01:16:07,771 --> 01:16:11,733 and next thing I heard is like, "Yeah, Hunter left." 1709 01:16:11,858 --> 01:16:13,777 "Wait. He's gonna do the movie, though, right?" 1710 01:16:13,902 --> 01:16:15,653 And they're like, "No. He's just gone.� 1711 01:16:15,779 --> 01:16:19,532 Here I am, supposedly one of his best friends, 1712 01:16:19,657 --> 01:16:23,369 and he gives me a week's notice that he's leaving. 1713 01:16:23,495 --> 01:16:24,895 He doesn't tell anybody in the band. 1714 01:16:24,996 --> 01:16:26,790 He just says, "Hey, by the way, I'm moving. 1715 01:16:26,915 --> 01:16:28,500 I'm taking off." 1716 01:16:28,625 --> 01:16:33,213 I was just like, "You know, Dave is just so out there. 1717 01:16:33,338 --> 01:16:34,839 I don't want to be a part of it." 1718 01:16:34,964 --> 01:16:36,341 As much as I loved GWAR... 1719 01:16:36,466 --> 01:16:39,135 I did GWAR until I was 40 years old, 1720 01:16:39,260 --> 01:16:42,305 and I poured everything I had into it... 1721 01:16:42,430 --> 01:16:45,683 I just didn't see the story having a happy ending. 1722 01:16:46,518 --> 01:16:48,978 So it ended up being me and Dave sitting there, 1723 01:16:49,104 --> 01:16:50,480 editing this movie. 1724 01:16:50,605 --> 01:16:53,942 And I'd never edited film or anything like that. 1725 01:16:54,067 --> 01:16:55,819 So I had to learn how to edit film 1726 01:16:55,944 --> 01:17:00,406 and do an entire feature-length thing in a couple weeks. 1727 01:17:03,743 --> 01:17:06,204 So, I had this separate bank account 1728 01:17:06,329 --> 01:17:09,582 that I was being really super guarded of, 1729 01:17:09,707 --> 01:17:11,835 because I knew that in the future, 1730 01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:13,395 I was gonna want to print comic books, 1731 01:17:13,419 --> 01:17:16,506 which cost what, $5,0007? 1732 01:17:16,631 --> 01:17:18,758 What would happen if I went to the musicians and go, 1733 01:17:18,883 --> 01:17:21,094 "Hey, dude, I need $5,000 1734 01:17:21,219 --> 01:17:23,513 so I can print this comic book," you know? 1735 01:17:23,638 --> 01:17:24,998 What do you think they're gonna do? 1736 01:17:25,098 --> 01:17:26,558 They're gonna fucking laugh. 1737 01:17:26,683 --> 01:17:28,017 He had moved away. 1738 01:17:28,143 --> 01:17:30,770 You know, he'd moved away to Philly and had... 1739 01:17:30,895 --> 01:17:33,106 You know, there was this discrepancy of, 1740 01:17:33,231 --> 01:17:34,458 "What are you doing with that money? 1741 01:17:34,482 --> 01:17:35,762 There's that money sitting there. 1742 01:17:35,817 --> 01:17:37,253 What do we want to do with this money?" 1743 01:17:37,277 --> 01:17:38,917 I'm on the tour bus, and, all of a sudden, 1744 01:17:39,028 --> 01:17:42,115 all this fucking screaming and conflagration breaks out. 1745 01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:43,825 And Dave has grabbed Hunter. 1746 01:17:43,950 --> 01:17:46,327 He's trying to drag him, pull him out onto the bunk. 1747 01:17:46,452 --> 01:17:48,663 I had to get in between the two and separate them. 1748 01:17:48,788 --> 01:17:50,874 Dave was holding a flyer 1749 01:17:50,999 --> 01:17:53,960 that was advertising "Slave Pit merchandise." 1750 01:17:54,085 --> 01:17:59,299 And on it, the address was Hunter's Philadelphia address. 1751 01:17:59,424 --> 01:18:03,469 Hunter was running his own GWAR merchandise department 1752 01:18:03,595 --> 01:18:07,473 and not informing us or sharing any of the profits. 1753 01:18:08,057 --> 01:18:11,895 Dave basically considered that the ultimate backstab. 1754 01:18:12,020 --> 01:18:13,813 And they go, "Hey, all that money 1755 01:18:13,938 --> 01:18:16,024 that you've made selling comic books 1756 01:18:16,149 --> 01:18:17,942 in the parking lot while we were partying, 1757 01:18:18,067 --> 01:18:20,612 we decided that it all belongs to us." 1758 01:18:22,197 --> 01:18:25,325 And that was how I got kicked out of GWAR. 1759 01:18:25,450 --> 01:18:29,245 That's when he thinks that he was kicked out of the band. 1760 01:18:29,370 --> 01:18:32,707 And as far as I'm concerned... 1761 01:18:32,832 --> 01:18:35,168 And this is how I viewed that meeting... 1762 01:18:35,293 --> 01:18:38,046 He was never kicked out of the band, ever. 1763 01:18:38,171 --> 01:18:41,424 But I don't think he was interested at that point. 1764 01:18:41,549 --> 01:18:44,886 I think he thought with Dave around, 1765 01:18:45,011 --> 01:18:46,387 there was too much opposition 1766 01:18:46,512 --> 01:18:48,272 and he didn't want to deal with Dave anymore. 1767 01:18:48,389 --> 01:18:51,309 I know that was one of the major sticking points. 1768 01:18:51,434 --> 01:18:53,519 He didn't want to deal with Dave. 1769 01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,106 Years after that, he would just show up at my house. 1770 01:18:57,232 --> 01:18:59,692 And I'd let him come and take whatever he wanted. 1771 01:18:59,817 --> 01:19:02,946 He took off with tons of our artwork 1772 01:19:03,071 --> 01:19:05,698 and things that we've never gotten back, you know? 1773 01:19:05,823 --> 01:19:08,201 But I was like open-door policy... 1774 01:19:08,326 --> 01:19:10,912 "Come on in. Take what you need. 1775 01:19:11,037 --> 01:19:13,248 You're one of the main creators of this. 1776 01:19:13,373 --> 01:19:15,208 I'm your friend. 1777 01:19:15,333 --> 01:19:17,001 Take what you need," you know? 1778 01:19:17,126 --> 01:19:20,755 But still to this day, I don't think he sees it that way. 1779 01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,424 Toward the end, I was just so tired of fighting everybody 1780 01:19:23,549 --> 01:19:25,551 to try to get anything done. 1781 01:19:25,677 --> 01:19:30,014 People that I don't even respect voting on what projects I do 1782 01:19:30,139 --> 01:19:32,100 and don't get to work on, you know? 1783 01:19:32,225 --> 01:19:35,436 And mostly, they're... A lot of times, they're motivated 1784 01:19:35,561 --> 01:19:40,692 by, you know, just wanting to thwart my efforts 1785 01:19:40,817 --> 01:19:43,278 and bring Hunter down a peg, you know? 1786 01:19:43,403 --> 01:19:46,155 There was just too much of that kind of stupid stuff going on. 1787 01:19:46,281 --> 01:19:47,448 It was counterproductive. 1788 01:19:47,573 --> 01:19:49,284 And I feel totally free 1789 01:19:49,409 --> 01:19:53,871 and have no desire to go back to struggling with those assholes. 1790 01:19:58,376 --> 01:20:00,211 - Yeah. - It's a... 1791 01:20:00,962 --> 01:20:02,672 It's a tough one with Hunter. 1792 01:20:02,797 --> 01:20:07,552 I mean, for a long time, man, like, when I first got there, 1793 01:20:07,677 --> 01:20:09,554 he was my teacher. 1794 01:20:09,679 --> 01:20:11,806 He was my friend. 1795 01:20:11,931 --> 01:20:13,558 And I know that, like, 1796 01:20:13,683 --> 01:20:16,060 the master-and-apprentice kind of relationship 1797 01:20:16,185 --> 01:20:18,104 goes into this thing where everybody's cool 1798 01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:19,897 because you're learning from the guy, 1799 01:20:20,023 --> 01:20:24,277 and then you go on and the idea is to surpass the master. 1800 01:20:24,402 --> 01:20:26,446 The apprentice becomes the master. 1801 01:20:26,571 --> 01:20:29,115 And I don't think Hunter ever understood that part of it. 1802 01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:31,159 He resented it more than... 1803 01:20:31,284 --> 01:20:34,078 And he kind of let it destroy our friendship. 1804 01:20:34,203 --> 01:20:35,872 And it was unfortunate, 1805 01:20:35,997 --> 01:20:38,583 because we had a pretty fucking amazing friendship. 1806 01:20:38,708 --> 01:20:41,002 And I miss it. 1807 01:20:41,127 --> 01:20:42,170 You know, I miss him. 1808 01:20:42,295 --> 01:20:46,632 And... you know, it's... 1809 01:20:46,758 --> 01:20:49,802 it's an unfortunateness of this, you know? 1810 01:20:51,346 --> 01:20:53,264 Yeah. Sorry. 1811 01:20:54,432 --> 01:20:55,933 I don't know, man. 1812 01:20:56,059 --> 01:20:59,854 I sort of like being 3,000 miles away from them, you know? 1813 01:20:59,979 --> 01:21:01,898 I'm glad to be 3,000 miles away 1814 01:21:02,023 --> 01:21:04,692 from Richmond, Virginia, right now. 1815 01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,278 He was just gone. 1816 01:21:07,403 --> 01:21:10,740 And people just kind of lost faith in it, I think. 1817 01:21:10,865 --> 01:21:12,742 And they just needed to live their own lives. 1818 01:21:12,867 --> 01:21:14,202 People had to move on. 1819 01:21:14,327 --> 01:21:17,080 We'd been doing it for well over a decade, 1820 01:21:17,205 --> 01:21:19,749 and people were growing up and getting older, 1821 01:21:19,874 --> 01:21:21,542 and everyone kind of realized, "Okay. 1822 01:21:21,667 --> 01:21:23,419 GWAR is never gonna be huge, 1823 01:21:23,544 --> 01:21:26,255 and I'm not ever gonna get rich doing this band. 1824 01:21:26,381 --> 01:21:30,593 And.. How much of my life am I gonna dedicate to it? 1825 01:21:30,718 --> 01:21:34,806 And am I gonna end up 50 years old... 1826 01:21:35,515 --> 01:21:38,768 ...and this is all I have?" 1827 01:21:38,893 --> 01:21:40,561 Don was pretty much gone. 1828 01:21:40,686 --> 01:21:43,898 He was still around but just coming in when he needed to be 1829 01:21:44,023 --> 01:21:45,566 and then just doing his own thing. 1830 01:21:45,691 --> 01:21:47,527 Danielle had moved to L. A. 1831 01:21:47,652 --> 01:21:48,820 Chuck was in New York. 1832 01:21:48,945 --> 01:21:51,572 Casey and I went to Dallas. 1833 01:21:51,697 --> 01:21:53,699 Bobby and Matt moved to New York. 1834 01:21:53,825 --> 01:21:56,786 We were just on a hiatus. 1835 01:21:56,911 --> 01:21:59,872 You know, it was really, like, Dave, Derks, and Brad. 1836 01:21:59,997 --> 01:22:01,749 Like, that was it. 1837 01:22:01,874 --> 01:22:04,544 Also, we lost our old slave pit on Chamberlain. 1838 01:22:04,669 --> 01:22:05,962 This guy had bought the building 1839 01:22:06,087 --> 01:22:09,257 and was gonna turn it into a used-car place. 1840 01:22:09,382 --> 01:22:11,717 That was kind of the last straw, 1841 01:22:11,843 --> 01:22:14,679 where we put everything into storage. 1842 01:22:14,804 --> 01:22:16,347 I loved GWAR. 1843 01:22:16,472 --> 01:22:18,558 It had been a good part of my life up to that point. 1844 01:22:18,683 --> 01:22:24,105 But I figured, you know, like... it's not really sustainable. 1845 01:22:24,230 --> 01:22:26,441 You did well, everybody. 1846 01:22:26,566 --> 01:22:29,026 One, two, three. 1847 01:22:29,152 --> 01:22:30,862 Okay. 1848 01:22:30,987 --> 01:22:32,447 Ow. 1849 01:22:33,281 --> 01:22:34,407 Everybody relax. 1850 01:22:34,532 --> 01:22:36,951 We're gonna do a color one of this. 1851 01:22:38,828 --> 01:22:41,372 When it came time to do the next record, 1852 01:22:41,497 --> 01:22:44,375 there was all these, like, just wacky ideas rolling around. 1853 01:22:44,500 --> 01:22:46,210 And it was like, "Aren't we metal? 1854 01:22:46,335 --> 01:22:48,087 Aren't we supposed to be in that world? 1855 01:22:48,212 --> 01:22:49,481 'Cause that's who we're playing with 1856 01:22:49,505 --> 01:22:51,549 and that's who we're touring with." 1857 01:22:51,674 --> 01:22:54,510 So, me and Zach were just kind of not really into the idea 1858 01:22:54,635 --> 01:22:56,679 and kind of decided, "Well, man, maybe... 1859 01:22:56,804 --> 01:22:58,890 You know, maybe we should step down." 1860 01:22:59,015 --> 01:23:03,144 But I'm this young, idealistic little shit. 1861 01:23:03,269 --> 01:23:04,896 And I sold them on the idea. 1862 01:23:05,021 --> 01:23:06,481 I was like... Me and Casey did. 1863 01:23:06,606 --> 01:23:09,358 It's like, "Dude, let's just make a metal record 1864 01:23:09,484 --> 01:23:13,362 that's about, you know, death and war and blood and guts." 1865 01:23:13,488 --> 01:23:14,655 We didn't, like, set out... 1866 01:23:14,780 --> 01:23:16,140 "Okay. Every song has to be heavy." 1867 01:23:16,199 --> 01:23:18,284 We just... The mind-set sort of changed. 1868 01:23:21,287 --> 01:23:22,663 I was talking to Dave fairly often. 1869 01:23:22,788 --> 01:23:24,582 It wasn't like I was estranged or mad at him. 1870 01:23:24,707 --> 01:23:26,751 I was just like, "I just got to do my own thing." 1871 01:23:26,876 --> 01:23:30,755 And so when he played me some of the stuff, I was like... 1872 01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:32,465 He's like, "Are you gonna be involved 1873 01:23:32,590 --> 01:23:34,509 if we do a tour and build stuff?" 1874 01:23:34,634 --> 01:23:36,302 And I was just like, "God, man. Yeah. 1875 01:23:36,427 --> 01:23:38,467 Like, this is awesome. This is what I want to hear." 1876 01:23:38,554 --> 01:23:40,139 Like, "Yeah. Play some metal." 1877 01:23:47,188 --> 01:23:48,689 # Centuries of carnage # 1878 01:23:48,814 --> 01:23:51,984 # Centuries of chaos yet unfolded # 1879 01:23:52,109 --> 01:23:53,861 In that time frame, in that hiatus, 1880 01:23:53,986 --> 01:23:56,989 that was the most money I've ever made in my adult life, 1881 01:23:57,114 --> 01:24:00,243 because I was doing movies and I was doing commercials. 1882 01:24:00,368 --> 01:24:03,120 I was actually doing production stuff 1883 01:24:03,246 --> 01:24:05,748 and getting paid the right amount to do it. 1884 01:24:05,873 --> 01:24:07,875 I got a call from Dave, and he was like, 1885 01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:09,627 "We're getting the band back together." 1886 01:24:09,752 --> 01:24:10,836 You know, so... 1887 01:24:12,838 --> 01:24:15,049 When you had people like Hunter 1888 01:24:15,174 --> 01:24:17,593 and Chuck and Don moving on, 1889 01:24:17,718 --> 01:24:20,596 we were so lucky that we had Bobby and Matt 1890 01:24:20,721 --> 01:24:23,474 that had sort of come in apprenticing 1891 01:24:23,599 --> 01:24:24,976 and things like that. 1892 01:24:25,101 --> 01:24:28,229 They were so ready and willing to take the baton 1893 01:24:28,354 --> 01:24:30,106 and not miss a beat 1894 01:24:30,231 --> 01:24:32,275 and still put on these dynamic, amazing shows, 1895 01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,903 which is building Rome in a day, you know, every day. 1896 01:24:36,028 --> 01:24:37,738 And those guys were like, "We got it." 1897 01:24:37,863 --> 01:24:39,740 And they fucking did it. 1898 01:24:39,865 --> 01:24:42,010 In some other band, they would just be roadies. 1899 01:24:42,034 --> 01:24:43,953 But these guys, they are GWAR. 1900 01:24:44,078 --> 01:24:45,838 They made all this stuff. They make this art. 1901 01:24:45,913 --> 01:24:47,331 And, like, what band do you know... 1902 01:24:47,456 --> 01:24:49,417 Metal band that takes an 18-wheeler 1903 01:24:49,542 --> 01:24:50,960 full of shit with them? 1904 01:24:51,085 --> 01:24:53,296 There's not a ton. And they have to take that. 1905 01:24:53,421 --> 01:24:57,258 'Cause what other band has a giant fucking dinosaur? 1906 01:25:04,682 --> 01:25:08,519 When we came back to do GWAR again, we were in debt. 1907 01:25:08,644 --> 01:25:10,605 We were getting ready to lose our space. 1908 01:25:10,730 --> 01:25:11,930 We had said for years, 1909 01:25:11,981 --> 01:25:14,984 "This is too hard for us to do festivals. 1910 01:25:15,109 --> 01:25:17,612 Our breakdown and setup time is too long." 1911 01:25:17,737 --> 01:25:20,990 But we sort of realized our mind-set is stuck 1912 01:25:21,115 --> 01:25:23,326 in the way we have always done stuff 1913 01:25:23,451 --> 01:25:25,161 but it doesn't have to be that way. 1914 01:25:25,286 --> 01:25:26,495 Just nuts and bolts. 1915 01:25:26,621 --> 01:25:28,080 Like, "That's stupid. Don't do that. 1916 01:25:28,205 --> 01:25:29,373 Do this instead." 1917 01:25:33,127 --> 01:25:34,670 We were just like, "Shit. 1918 01:25:34,795 --> 01:25:36,797 We're getting a second wind. Let's fucking grab it. 1919 01:25:36,922 --> 01:25:39,109 If we get the offers for shows, let's just keep taking them." 1920 01:25:39,133 --> 01:25:40,843 But being older 1921 01:25:40,968 --> 01:25:43,804 and spending a lot of time on tour leads to some bad habits. 1922 01:25:43,929 --> 01:25:46,015 And not just the drinking every night 1923 01:25:46,140 --> 01:25:48,309 because you're so bored or lonely, 1924 01:25:48,434 --> 01:25:50,102 but the physical toll. 1925 01:25:50,227 --> 01:25:53,022 Like, Dave's classic, like, back. 1926 01:25:53,147 --> 01:25:54,857 Jumping around and singing 1927 01:25:54,982 --> 01:25:57,151 with those costumes on your back. 1928 01:25:57,276 --> 01:26:01,989 I remember hearing about people just stealing or getting Oxys 1929 01:26:02,114 --> 01:26:05,534 and just being like, "Huh. That's weird." 1930 01:26:05,660 --> 01:26:08,621 GWAR! GWAR! GWAR! GWAR! GWAR! 1931 01:26:08,746 --> 01:26:11,832 I loved Dave Brockie. 1932 01:26:11,957 --> 01:26:13,125 I looked up to him. 1933 01:26:13,250 --> 01:26:15,503 I asked him questions about life. 1934 01:26:15,628 --> 01:26:18,381 And one thing about Brockie is, no matter how much partying, 1935 01:26:18,506 --> 01:26:20,549 how off the rails he was, how crazy he was, 1936 01:26:20,675 --> 01:26:23,302 when it came showtime, he was fucking... 1937 01:26:23,427 --> 01:26:27,056 He loaded that truck in, he did the show, 1938 01:26:27,181 --> 01:26:31,894 he pulled the work of all of us and then loaded that truck out. 1939 01:26:32,019 --> 01:26:35,564 And then, you know, all bets are off. 1940 01:26:35,690 --> 01:26:39,360 But his work ethic started waning, you know? 1941 01:26:39,485 --> 01:26:41,404 He started missing sound checks. 1942 01:26:41,529 --> 01:26:44,490 And... it just wasn't him. 1943 01:26:45,074 --> 01:26:48,202 And I somehow had the wherewithal to go, 1944 01:26:48,327 --> 01:26:50,621 "I don't want to be present for this. 1945 01:26:50,746 --> 01:26:55,626 You know, so please... do something about this. 1946 01:26:55,751 --> 01:26:57,753 And if you don't, I'm gonna have to go." 1947 01:26:57,878 --> 01:27:01,006 And he's... "Dude, you're right,". 1948 01:27:01,132 --> 01:27:02,550 Whatever. And he was supposedly... 1949 01:27:02,675 --> 01:27:03,884 And he didn't. 1950 01:27:04,009 --> 01:27:06,178 He didn't. And I knew he didn't. 1951 01:27:11,100 --> 01:27:12,893 When Zach left, 1952 01:27:13,018 --> 01:27:15,229 Cory was right there to jump in and take the reins 1953 01:27:15,354 --> 01:27:17,481 and write even more contemporary metal. 1954 01:27:21,819 --> 01:27:23,738 Cory was such an easy person to get along with. 1955 01:27:23,863 --> 01:27:25,948 He was so... 1956 01:27:26,073 --> 01:27:30,411 I don't want to say "simple," but he had this charm to him 1957 01:27:30,536 --> 01:27:33,330 that you just could not dislike the guy. 1958 01:27:33,456 --> 01:27:36,709 Now it's cool, 'cause I don't have to get a real job. 1959 01:27:36,834 --> 01:27:38,461 I can do this and pay my bills. 1960 01:27:38,586 --> 01:27:39,795 He had this whole 1961 01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:43,048 new-blood kind of metal thing going on. 1962 01:27:43,174 --> 01:27:45,301 And he was younger, and he was hungry. 1963 01:27:45,426 --> 01:27:47,845 And he would just make me have to play harder 1964 01:27:47,970 --> 01:27:51,140 and play stuff that I never even thought about playing before. 1965 01:27:55,644 --> 01:27:59,607 The thing about Flattus is there's been countless people 1966 01:27:59,732 --> 01:28:01,233 in the Flattus costume. 1967 01:28:01,358 --> 01:28:04,195 Somebody told me that for photo shoots and press stuff 1968 01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:06,030 and all those different things, 1969 01:28:06,155 --> 01:28:09,241 there have been upwards of 30 people in the Flattus costume. 1970 01:28:09,366 --> 01:28:13,037 Cory was just such a little caveman full of metal, 1971 01:28:13,162 --> 01:28:15,372 and I think he made that character become 1972 01:28:15,498 --> 01:28:19,126 what it always sort of seemed like it was trying to be. 1973 01:28:19,251 --> 01:28:22,505 That's no slight to anybody else that ever played the character. 1974 01:28:22,630 --> 01:28:25,341 It's just... It's like the costume fit him better. 1975 01:28:27,259 --> 01:28:28,928 The Sounds from the Underground, 1976 01:28:29,053 --> 01:28:33,516 it introduced us to sort of a new generation of rock kids 1977 01:28:33,641 --> 01:28:36,644 who would not have thought GWAR was cool, starting like this 1978 01:28:36,769 --> 01:28:38,079 and by the end just being crushed. 1979 01:28:38,103 --> 01:28:40,898 'Cause we would do a lot in a half-hour. 1980 01:28:41,023 --> 01:28:43,317 These kids coming to the shows were kids. 1981 01:28:43,442 --> 01:28:46,737 These bands were young kids, and their fans were young kids, 1982 01:28:46,862 --> 01:28:48,572 kids who weren't even born 1983 01:28:48,697 --> 01:28:50,533 when some of the first GWAR stuff came out. 1984 01:28:50,658 --> 01:28:52,498 So we weren't sure how they were gonna go over, 1985 01:28:52,576 --> 01:28:53,845 but of course, they went down a storm. 1986 01:28:53,869 --> 01:28:55,955 Kids loved them, freaked out about it, 1987 01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:57,748 and they became a staple of that tour. 1988 01:28:57,873 --> 01:29:00,626 # Don't give them a sword and then not let them use it 1989 01:29:00,751 --> 01:29:03,629 # Or sent them to war and then make them lose it # 1990 01:29:03,754 --> 01:29:06,215 # This is a bomb... Don't try to defuse it # 1991 01:29:06,340 --> 01:29:09,385 We toured three and a half months straight one time. 1992 01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:11,011 I mean, it was insane. 1993 01:29:11,136 --> 01:29:13,073 I remember going, like, "Wow. I got through that." 1994 01:29:13,097 --> 01:29:14,181 I had money. 1995 01:29:14,306 --> 01:29:15,766 But I just remember, like, 1996 01:29:15,891 --> 01:29:18,102 the toll that it took on people personally. 1997 01:29:18,227 --> 01:29:20,646 It was like... It's rough. 1998 01:29:20,771 --> 01:29:23,274 I could see that even though things were good, 1999 01:29:23,399 --> 01:29:24,733 we pushed it too hard. 2000 01:29:24,859 --> 01:29:26,610 We toured too much. 2001 01:29:26,735 --> 01:29:29,697 We kept saying, like, "Hey, we can get another tour this year, 2002 01:29:29,822 --> 01:29:31,282 make a lot more money." 2003 01:29:31,407 --> 01:29:34,201 And we were just like, "Fuck it. All right." 2004 01:29:44,044 --> 01:29:46,839 Yeah. I was lying in my bunk, and I heard... 2005 01:29:46,964 --> 01:29:49,091 Um, Eddie, our tour manager... 2006 01:29:56,432 --> 01:29:58,475 Eddie was banging on everybody's bunks 2007 01:29:58,601 --> 01:30:00,561 to get their passports 2008 01:30:00,686 --> 01:30:03,314 'cause we were going... Crossing into Canada. 2009 01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:04,857 And so I pulled my curtain back, 2010 01:30:04,982 --> 01:30:07,276 and Eddie was knocking on Cory's bunk, 2011 01:30:07,401 --> 01:30:08,569 and he wouldn't wake up. 2012 01:30:08,694 --> 01:30:11,572 And he opened it and tried to wake him. 2013 01:30:13,866 --> 01:30:15,784 And... 2014 01:30:20,539 --> 01:30:24,293 When we sat down after the police took us to the hotel, 2015 01:30:24,418 --> 01:30:27,755 we kind of talked about, like, "What should we do?" 2016 01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:29,340 As we talked about it, 2017 01:30:29,465 --> 01:30:31,425 it was like, "The only way we can help his widow, 2018 01:30:31,550 --> 01:30:33,802 the only way we can help ourselves 2019 01:30:33,928 --> 01:30:35,679 is to do what we're doing." 2020 01:30:35,804 --> 01:30:38,641 'Cause we go home, we're all gonna go home 2021 01:30:38,766 --> 01:30:40,267 and go to our individual houses 2022 01:30:40,392 --> 01:30:43,062 and probably have, like, a nervous breakdown, you know? 2023 01:30:45,105 --> 01:30:46,982 We continued on with the tour. 2024 01:30:47,107 --> 01:30:50,194 We canceled one show and played... 2025 01:30:50,319 --> 01:30:55,240 The night after he died, we were up onstage again. 2026 01:30:55,741 --> 01:30:58,452 Finished out that tour. 2027 01:31:01,455 --> 01:31:02,915 We're a bunch of dudes 2028 01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:06,168 that don't really talk to each other in that way. 2029 01:31:06,293 --> 01:31:08,462 It's amazing that we've been together for so long 2030 01:31:08,587 --> 01:31:10,005 and we don't really relate 2031 01:31:10,130 --> 01:31:12,925 on any sort of deep emotional level. 2032 01:31:13,050 --> 01:31:14,885 We're all such weirdos, you know? 2033 01:31:15,010 --> 01:31:17,680 So, like, being together and grieving together on tour 2034 01:31:17,805 --> 01:31:20,724 was, like, the most helpful thing for me, personally. 2035 01:31:20,849 --> 01:31:24,979 Like, it really... It helped me process it. 2036 01:31:26,939 --> 01:31:28,899 When Cory died, we kind of realized 2037 01:31:29,024 --> 01:31:31,151 that you're more than just putting the suit on. 2038 01:31:31,276 --> 01:31:32,903 You become that character. 2039 01:31:33,028 --> 01:31:35,948 And if you die as that character, that character dies. 2040 01:31:37,741 --> 01:31:41,829 # He was a brother to me # 2041 01:31:43,622 --> 01:31:45,541 # Fly now # 2042 01:31:45,666 --> 01:31:48,127 # Flattus, be free # 2043 01:31:51,046 --> 01:31:54,091 My wife was really good friends with Cory. 2044 01:31:54,216 --> 01:31:58,929 So when we got the news that Cory had passed, she was... 2045 01:31:59,054 --> 01:32:01,515 I had to stop my wife from, like, running out of the door. 2046 01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:02,766 She wanted to go see Jamie, 2047 01:32:02,891 --> 01:32:04,560 which is Cory's wife at the time. 2048 01:32:04,685 --> 01:32:06,103 She was just devastated. 2049 01:32:06,228 --> 01:32:07,455 I mean, that was like a member... 2050 01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:09,523 That was somebody very close to us. 2051 01:32:09,648 --> 01:32:12,943 Eventually, I get a call from Mike Derks, 2052 01:32:13,068 --> 01:32:15,404 asking to go try out. 2053 01:32:15,529 --> 01:32:17,906 And I didn't know who else tried out, 2054 01:32:18,032 --> 01:32:19,783 but I just remember telling myself 2055 01:32:19,908 --> 01:32:22,036 that nobody else can have this 2056 01:32:22,161 --> 01:32:25,914 because they're not in that circle, you know? 2057 01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:28,292 I didn't want a stranger to take this job, 2058 01:32:28,417 --> 01:32:30,627 you know, to take this burden. 2059 01:32:30,753 --> 01:32:32,433 Here he is right now, ladies and gentlemen. 2060 01:32:32,504 --> 01:32:33,630 Oh, my God. Look. 2061 01:32:33,756 --> 01:32:35,507 - Pustulus, come here. - Make way! 2062 01:32:35,632 --> 01:32:40,387 You bear a striking resemblance to your family member Flattus. 2063 01:32:40,512 --> 01:32:43,557 Aunt Jeanette and Aunt Cindy are doing very well. 2064 01:32:43,682 --> 01:32:45,768 - Thank you very much. - I told you he was deaf. 2065 01:32:45,893 --> 01:32:48,395 He's just a fucking straight-up rocker, man. 2066 01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:52,191 I mean, he's of that old-school rock-'n'-roll heavy metal. 2067 01:32:52,316 --> 01:32:54,276 He stepped up a lot, man. 2068 01:32:54,401 --> 01:32:56,445 He did all these little promos for the tour. 2069 01:32:56,570 --> 01:32:58,197 They're amazing, man! 2070 01:32:58,322 --> 01:33:02,284 Time for you to get a little Christmas spear... it. 2071 01:33:04,620 --> 01:33:09,249 To be a fan, to cross over into a member of the band, 2072 01:33:09,374 --> 01:33:11,061 you have these thoughts and these impressions 2073 01:33:11,085 --> 01:33:12,353 of these people that you don't know 2074 01:33:12,377 --> 01:33:14,088 that you're looking, reading about. 2075 01:33:14,213 --> 01:33:16,381 Meeting them is one thing, and then actually becoming, 2076 01:33:16,507 --> 01:33:19,927 like, really close to people is another. 2077 01:33:20,052 --> 01:33:22,763 That's kind of where it, I guess, changes the most, 2078 01:33:22,888 --> 01:33:26,266 is when you're not... 2079 01:33:26,391 --> 01:33:27,935 Sometimes you're not a fan anymore. 2080 01:33:28,060 --> 01:33:29,103 You're just family. 2081 01:33:38,654 --> 01:33:41,824 Please welcome GWAR's delightful singer, Oderus Urungus. 2082 01:33:41,949 --> 01:33:43,242 Hello. Hello. 2083 01:33:43,367 --> 01:33:45,077 Now, you hate Earth, don't you? 2084 01:33:45,202 --> 01:33:48,038 Oh, I despise it. But I love it at the same time. 2085 01:33:48,163 --> 01:33:51,625 See, Earth is the only place in the galaxy that has crack. 2086 01:33:51,750 --> 01:33:53,085 Yeah. That's true. 2087 01:33:55,045 --> 01:33:58,882 "Viva La Bam," basically, I got $300,000 per episode 2088 01:33:59,007 --> 01:34:00,676 to do whatever the hell that I wanted. 2089 01:34:00,801 --> 01:34:03,011 And it was usually messing with my parents, 2090 01:34:03,137 --> 01:34:05,222 turning the house into a skate park, 2091 01:34:05,347 --> 01:34:07,474 alligator in the kitchen... Things like that. 2092 01:34:07,599 --> 01:34:10,310 Hey... Hey, what is that? 2093 01:34:10,435 --> 01:34:12,688 What are you doing in here?! 2094 01:34:12,813 --> 01:34:14,523 It's scary upstairs! 2095 01:34:14,648 --> 01:34:16,042 Aren't your friends up there with you? 2096 01:34:16,066 --> 01:34:17,693 They're not my friends! 2097 01:34:17,818 --> 01:34:20,195 They're not my friends. 2098 01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:22,239 Oderus Urungus? 2099 01:34:22,364 --> 01:34:25,742 It was the story of how Oderus couldn't be outrageous anymore, 2100 01:34:25,868 --> 01:34:28,162 so he wanted to do children's birthday parties. 2101 01:34:28,287 --> 01:34:32,332 So, of course, he steals my face and uses it as a mask 2102 01:34:32,457 --> 01:34:34,960 to play children's birthday parties. 2103 01:34:39,423 --> 01:34:41,717 Thank you so much! 2104 01:34:48,473 --> 01:34:49,473 - Sick! # - Sick! # 2105 01:34:49,558 --> 01:34:50,267 - # Oft # - # Oft # 2106 01:34:50,392 --> 01:34:52,019 # You # 2107 01:34:52,144 --> 01:34:54,688 # I'm so sick, so sick of... # 2108 01:35:03,947 --> 01:35:05,490 Let's have a round of applause 2109 01:35:05,616 --> 01:35:06,616 for all the bands so far. 2110 01:35:06,658 --> 01:35:08,118 You guys ready... 2111 01:35:08,243 --> 01:35:11,038 # We live to lock horns, so glad to be born # 2112 01:35:11,163 --> 01:35:12,539 # My balls just got shorn # 2113 01:35:12,664 --> 01:35:14,184 # 'Cause the thing was damn warm, go! # 2114 01:35:16,752 --> 01:35:18,512 # We know what we need, we take and we feed # 2115 01:35:18,587 --> 01:35:21,215 # We live in a cave, we love a good bleed # 2116 01:35:24,468 --> 01:35:25,908 # We always return, we never regret # 2117 01:35:25,969 --> 01:35:28,555 # We never deny, we never forget # 2118 01:35:34,728 --> 01:35:37,147 Yeah, I got a call in the middle of the night. 2119 01:35:37,272 --> 01:35:38,690 And he's sobbing. 2120 01:35:38,815 --> 01:35:40,984 And he... And he just says it. 2121 01:35:41,109 --> 01:35:43,028 He's like, "Dave's dead." 2122 01:35:45,530 --> 01:35:47,407 He had a sheet hanging, 2123 01:35:47,532 --> 01:35:49,826 separating his living room from the kitchen. 2124 01:35:49,952 --> 01:35:53,664 I could see through the sheet, but I didn't go in. 2125 01:35:57,042 --> 01:35:59,211 Yeah. I didn't want to see him. 2126 01:36:00,712 --> 01:36:03,799 Dave's passed, and he's in his chair. 2127 01:36:03,924 --> 01:36:06,205 I didn't go in the other room to look at Dave either, man, 2128 01:36:06,301 --> 01:36:09,054 "cause that's not the way I remember those guys. 2129 01:36:09,179 --> 01:36:10,657 I remember those guys 2130 01:36:10,681 --> 01:36:15,602 as fierce players and great friends. 2131 01:36:17,604 --> 01:36:19,106 We learned this with Cory. 2132 01:36:19,231 --> 01:36:20,565 Like, the thing you got to do 2133 01:36:20,691 --> 01:36:23,026 is you've got to tell the important people 2134 01:36:23,151 --> 01:36:26,530 before they find out, before it hits the news. 2135 01:36:26,655 --> 01:36:28,135 So it was like, I'm gonna have to call 2136 01:36:28,198 --> 01:36:30,659 a bunch of my old friends and give them bad news. 2137 01:36:30,784 --> 01:36:33,412 But I'd rather them hear it from me. 2138 01:36:33,537 --> 01:36:35,038 Brad called me. 2139 01:36:35,163 --> 01:36:37,332 And the minute I saw his phone number on my phone, 2140 01:36:37,457 --> 01:36:41,586 I knew it was real, and I broke down pretty hard. 2141 01:36:41,712 --> 01:36:43,338 I still can't talk about it. 2142 01:36:43,463 --> 01:36:47,467 I break down every time I even start thinking about it. 2143 01:36:48,260 --> 01:36:49,803 Derks called me. 2144 01:36:49,928 --> 01:36:52,222 And I'm glad it was Derks that called me. 2145 01:36:53,181 --> 01:36:54,182 I don't know why. 2146 01:36:54,308 --> 01:36:57,019 But it was... 2147 01:36:57,769 --> 01:37:01,023 Man, you know, try to wrap your head around that. 2148 01:37:01,148 --> 01:37:02,899 Dave fucking Brockie? 2149 01:37:03,025 --> 01:37:05,319 Guy's a fucking bull. 2150 01:37:05,444 --> 01:37:06,945 I couldn't process it. 2151 01:37:07,070 --> 01:37:09,531 I still have his fucking phone number, 2152 01:37:09,656 --> 01:37:11,867 and I go back through our texts all the time... 2153 01:37:11,992 --> 01:37:13,702 Just random shit. 2154 01:37:13,827 --> 01:37:18,707 He would text me constantly... "Love you, buddy. Miss ya." 2155 01:37:18,832 --> 01:37:21,418 I got a call while I was working that day, 2156 01:37:21,543 --> 01:37:22,794 and... 2157 01:37:24,671 --> 01:37:25,797 It sucked. 2158 01:37:25,922 --> 01:37:28,925 I mean, I cried out. I remember that. 2159 01:37:29,718 --> 01:37:31,928 It just was crushing me 2160 01:37:32,054 --> 01:37:35,390 to think about them losing everything... 2161 01:37:35,515 --> 01:37:38,935 Like, losing Dave and at the same time losing their... 2162 01:37:39,061 --> 01:37:40,979 everything they'd worked for, you know? 2163 01:37:41,104 --> 01:37:45,233 Like, staring that in the face. 2164 01:37:45,359 --> 01:37:48,403 I assumed that it was over, you know? 2165 01:37:48,528 --> 01:37:49,738 And I was fine with that, 2166 01:37:49,863 --> 01:37:51,865 because losing someone like Dave Brockie 2167 01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:54,785 is a lot more important to me than losing a job, you know? 2168 01:37:54,910 --> 01:37:56,912 Like, I was like, "I can go get another job. 2169 01:37:57,037 --> 01:37:59,164 There's no more Dave Brockie. 2170 01:37:59,289 --> 01:38:02,084 You can't replace that." 2171 01:38:02,209 --> 01:38:05,170 He was the most energetic, enthusiastic, 2172 01:38:05,295 --> 01:38:08,548 prolific front man any band could ever have asked for. 2173 01:38:08,673 --> 01:38:11,468 And we were damn lucky to have him. 2174 01:38:13,178 --> 01:38:14,697 We all freak out on this planet. 2175 01:38:14,721 --> 01:38:16,056 We all get confused. 2176 01:38:16,181 --> 01:38:18,517 We all do the lower things sometimes. 2177 01:38:18,642 --> 01:38:21,103 But when you really lose someone, 2178 01:38:21,228 --> 01:38:25,732 all that noise of confusion between you goes away, 2179 01:38:25,857 --> 01:38:28,944 and you realize the only thing that really matters is love. 2180 01:38:31,238 --> 01:38:33,782 So that's what I remembered. 2181 01:38:37,577 --> 01:38:39,329 Totally. 2182 01:38:43,333 --> 01:38:44,501 And I called Hunter. 2183 01:38:44,626 --> 01:38:47,337 And, you know, I had a number 2184 01:38:47,462 --> 01:38:49,022 that I wasn't sure if it was his or not. 2185 01:38:49,131 --> 01:38:51,383 And he told me never to call I, you know? 2186 01:38:51,508 --> 01:38:54,261 But I was like, "Well, you know, Dave Brockie just died, 2187 01:38:54,386 --> 01:38:55,887 so I'm calling this number." 2188 01:38:56,012 --> 01:39:00,892 Bob Gorman called me and told me that he had died 2189 01:39:01,017 --> 01:39:02,727 and all like that. 2190 01:39:02,853 --> 01:39:06,398 But I didn't want to go to his funeral because... 2191 01:39:06,523 --> 01:39:10,777 you know, I hated the guy, and I didn't want to... 2192 01:39:10,902 --> 01:39:13,488 Who knows what I might say, you know? 2193 01:39:13,613 --> 01:39:17,492 I was like, "Man, you know, like... 2194 01:39:17,617 --> 01:39:19,995 I know you hate us all and everything," 2195 01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:22,247 but I was like, "This guy was a big part of your life 2196 01:39:22,372 --> 01:39:25,959 and, like, part of something that you guys gave the world." 2197 01:39:26,084 --> 01:39:28,086 I said everything I wanted say to him. 2198 01:39:28,211 --> 01:39:30,797 He knows how I felt about him. 2199 01:39:30,922 --> 01:39:35,635 I just feel like his story came to its logical conclusion. 2200 01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:39,306 It's too bad, but... yeah. 2201 01:39:41,933 --> 01:39:43,685 That's how it is. 2202 01:39:46,605 --> 01:39:48,315 When I was a kid, 2203 01:39:48,440 --> 01:39:50,543 I used to think the worst thing that could possibly happen 2204 01:39:50,567 --> 01:39:52,327 is if, like, I would be at the end of my life 2205 01:39:52,402 --> 01:39:54,362 and look back and go, "You just fucked up. 2206 01:39:54,488 --> 01:39:55,780 You didn't do anything. 2207 01:39:55,906 --> 01:39:59,618 You, uh, you just... blew it," right? 2208 01:39:59,743 --> 01:40:01,411 And I don't feel that way. 2209 01:40:01,536 --> 01:40:04,498 It's like, when I met these guys that we created GWAR together, 2210 01:40:04,623 --> 01:40:06,416 it really gave my life meaning. 2211 01:40:06,541 --> 01:40:08,251 I mean, if you're an artist or a musician, 2212 01:40:08,376 --> 01:40:10,337 it's very fucking difficult... 2213 01:40:10,462 --> 01:40:11,772 - Yes, it is. - BROCKIE... to make a living. 2214 01:40:11,796 --> 01:40:14,341 So, somehow, we've been able to do it. 2215 01:40:14,466 --> 01:40:18,345 And there's not a second that I'm not just absolutely, 2216 01:40:18,470 --> 01:40:20,347 count my lucky stars, my blessings, 2217 01:40:20,472 --> 01:40:23,558 and all the fans that have supported us for so many years. 2218 01:40:23,683 --> 01:40:26,686 That is the greatest thing as an artist that you can get. 2219 01:40:39,407 --> 01:40:44,204 Oderus! Oderus! Oderus! 2220 01:40:44,329 --> 01:40:48,458 Oderus! Oderus! Oderus! 2221 01:40:48,583 --> 01:40:51,628 Oderus! Oderus! Oderus! 2222 01:40:51,753 --> 01:40:53,463 When I get to three, 2223 01:40:53,588 --> 01:40:57,175 I just want you to scream at the top of your lungs 2224 01:40:57,300 --> 01:41:00,262 so that Dave can hear you, all right? 2225 01:41:00,804 --> 01:41:04,599 And you'll be amazed at how good this feels. 2226 01:41:04,724 --> 01:41:07,686 And it's something that he did all the fucking time. 2227 01:41:09,563 --> 01:41:11,690 One. 2228 01:41:11,815 --> 01:41:13,608 Two. 2229 01:41:13,733 --> 01:41:14,818 Three. 2230 01:41:38,633 --> 01:41:40,385 When we lost Dave, 2231 01:41:40,510 --> 01:41:44,764 I mean, we pretty much assumed that that would be it for GWAR. 2232 01:41:44,889 --> 01:41:50,395 But, you know, it's just such a huge thing... 2233 01:41:51,354 --> 01:41:54,941 ...that we had all been working on and dedicating our lives to. 2234 01:41:55,066 --> 01:41:59,529 And... there's so much more to this band 2235 01:41:59,654 --> 01:42:01,698 than any one person could put into it, 2236 01:42:01,823 --> 01:42:06,369 even though he did put more than anyone. 2237 01:42:09,247 --> 01:42:10,749 You have so many people 2238 01:42:10,874 --> 01:42:13,627 that have been in and out of this band since day one. 2239 01:42:13,752 --> 01:42:15,420 I mean, hundreds. 2240 01:42:15,545 --> 01:42:18,131 At least 100 people probably have been, one way or another, 2241 01:42:18,256 --> 01:42:21,259 considered to be an active member of GWAR. 2242 01:42:21,384 --> 01:42:24,346 And when you lose somebody in a band 2243 01:42:24,471 --> 01:42:28,516 that's such a big group of people, you can't just say, 2244 01:42:28,642 --> 01:42:30,477 "Well, that's it," and it's over. 2245 01:42:30,602 --> 01:42:33,355 You know, I fell in love with GWAR when I was a fan, 2246 01:42:33,480 --> 01:42:36,691 and then to be part of it, it's just been amazing. 2247 01:42:36,816 --> 01:42:39,444 You know, it's hard to let that die on the vine, 2248 01:42:39,569 --> 01:42:41,655 'cause you're just like, "This thing is so cool." 2249 01:42:41,780 --> 01:42:46,534 And you want that magic that you saw as a fan to perpetuate. 2250 01:42:46,660 --> 01:42:49,788 You want to share that with other people. 2251 01:42:49,913 --> 01:42:53,249 After Dave passed, I'm like, "What the hell are we gonna do?" 2252 01:42:53,375 --> 01:42:58,004 We know that Dave would have wanted us and GWAR to go on. 2253 01:42:58,129 --> 01:43:01,758 You know, he'd even talked about it in interviews. 2254 01:43:01,883 --> 01:43:06,137 And the only person... The only person that, you know, 2255 01:43:06,262 --> 01:43:10,308 most of us thought could even have a chance of doing it, 2256 01:43:10,433 --> 01:43:14,187 let alone us getting excited about, was Mike Bishop. 2257 01:43:14,312 --> 01:43:16,856 In the early years, he was part of the spirit. 2258 01:43:16,981 --> 01:43:18,525 He was like the heart of the band. 2259 01:43:18,650 --> 01:43:21,069 And to bring him back, 2260 01:43:21,194 --> 01:43:23,154 you know, was the only thing that made sense. 2261 01:43:23,279 --> 01:43:25,407 We thought, "Well, that's gonna be the thing 2262 01:43:25,532 --> 01:43:26,991 that could actually work." 2263 01:43:27,117 --> 01:43:29,577 Not only that, but I remember him saying to me 2264 01:43:29,703 --> 01:43:31,496 that he came back... 2265 01:43:31,621 --> 01:43:36,626 He's like... He's like, "I can help heal you guys 2266 01:43:36,751 --> 01:43:39,003 as well as be the singer." 2267 01:43:40,505 --> 01:43:43,925 I mean, they were hurting, without doubt. 2268 01:43:44,050 --> 01:43:47,804 And I tried hard to... 2269 01:43:48,722 --> 01:43:52,142 ...to do what I could to make that pain less for them. 2270 01:43:52,267 --> 01:43:54,394 I did. And singing was part of it. 2271 01:43:54,519 --> 01:43:57,939 Like, making it so that they could keep going 2272 01:43:58,064 --> 01:44:01,401 felt like service to them and to Dave. 2273 01:44:01,526 --> 01:44:05,572 You know, so, I mean, it wasn't hard for me to figure out. 2274 01:44:07,490 --> 01:44:11,161 # The world has never looked so dark # 2275 01:44:11,286 --> 01:44:15,165 # The pain never felt so bad # 2276 01:44:15,290 --> 01:44:18,460 # Is it wrong to try to go on? # 2277 01:44:18,585 --> 01:44:23,131 # It's all we ever had # 2278 01:44:23,256 --> 01:44:27,093 # Will you ever scream again # 2279 01:44:27,218 --> 01:44:30,513 # Your battle hymn? # 2280 01:44:30,638 --> 01:44:33,933 # I can feel you # 2281 01:44:34,058 --> 01:44:36,686 # Like a phantom limb # 2282 01:44:36,811 --> 01:44:38,313 We still get a lot of, 2283 01:44:38,438 --> 01:44:40,238 you know, "Without Brockie, there is no GWAR," 2284 01:44:40,273 --> 01:44:42,734 and blah-blah-blah, and Derks said it best... 2285 01:44:42,859 --> 01:44:46,154 "Yeah, ever since your grandma died, your family sucks." 2286 01:44:46,279 --> 01:44:47,489 You know? 2287 01:44:47,614 --> 01:44:49,991 It's just such a shitty thing to say 2288 01:44:50,116 --> 01:44:52,368 to guys who knew Dave better than anyone 2289 01:44:52,494 --> 01:44:54,496 and loved him more than anybody else. 2290 01:44:54,621 --> 01:44:56,539 It's his legacy. 2291 01:44:56,664 --> 01:45:00,043 He devoted his entire life GWAR. 2292 01:45:00,168 --> 01:45:02,128 It's just the way I knew those guys would want it. 2293 01:45:02,170 --> 01:45:05,089 They wouldn't want us to stop because they weren't here. 2294 01:45:05,215 --> 01:45:06,800 GWAR's never stopped. 2295 01:45:06,925 --> 01:45:09,177 We've had a million people in the band come and go, 2296 01:45:09,302 --> 01:45:11,429 and GWAR always goes on. 2297 01:45:13,515 --> 01:45:15,725 We're on the Warped Tour in 2017. 2298 01:45:15,850 --> 01:45:18,937 I mean, like, Derks was resting a lot, and he was tired. 2299 01:45:19,062 --> 01:45:21,481 And one day he was, like, school-bus yellow. 2300 01:45:21,606 --> 01:45:23,483 I kind of collapsed onstage, 2301 01:45:23,608 --> 01:45:25,735 and it sent me to the emergency room. 2302 01:45:25,860 --> 01:45:28,029 And the band had to go on without me. 2303 01:45:28,154 --> 01:45:30,490 And it took months, 2304 01:45:30,615 --> 01:45:34,118 and finally, I was diagnosed with myelofibrosis. 2305 01:45:34,244 --> 01:45:36,871 I told Mike once a long time ago... 2306 01:45:36,996 --> 01:45:39,749 And especially when he was sick... 2307 01:45:39,874 --> 01:45:41,811 I was like, "Look, I don't know what you're gonna do, 2308 01:45:41,835 --> 01:45:43,878 if you're gonna stay, go, you know, whatever, 2309 01:45:44,003 --> 01:45:46,798 but whatever you do, take me with you." 2310 01:45:48,675 --> 01:45:50,218 Having to sit at home in the summer 2311 01:45:50,343 --> 01:45:51,678 when they were out on Warped Tour 2312 01:45:51,803 --> 01:45:53,322 was probably the hardest thing in my life, 2313 01:45:53,346 --> 01:45:56,391 to know that this band that I helped to create 2314 01:45:56,516 --> 01:46:01,479 and bring this far was out there playing... 2315 01:46:09,696 --> 01:46:12,240 ...and to not be part of it. 2316 01:46:14,993 --> 01:46:17,370 I've known him for a really long time. 2317 01:46:17,495 --> 01:46:20,206 He's not the most outspoken guy. 2318 01:46:20,331 --> 01:46:23,501 He's a pretty intelligent, really sensitive human being. 2319 01:46:23,626 --> 01:46:24,711 And it's, uh... 2320 01:46:25,295 --> 01:46:26,796 And I love him. 2321 01:46:26,921 --> 01:46:29,716 And I'm so glad that he made it through that shit. 2322 01:46:29,841 --> 01:46:31,718 I really am. 2323 01:46:33,261 --> 01:46:35,763 And I like playing music with him. 2324 01:46:35,889 --> 01:46:37,765 And I'm glad I still get to do it. 2325 01:46:37,891 --> 01:46:39,601 It's just the best. 2326 01:46:39,726 --> 01:46:42,228 The transfusion was a total success, 2327 01:46:42,353 --> 01:46:46,608 and I'm getting ready to go out again this fall. 2328 01:46:46,733 --> 01:46:49,694 The cancer's in 100% remission. 2329 01:46:52,405 --> 01:46:55,491 And I'm feeling great. 2330 01:46:55,617 --> 01:46:58,578 I know GWAR is kind of stronger for it in a way. 2331 01:46:58,703 --> 01:47:02,540 They, uh... Like, we just pull it together. 2332 01:47:02,665 --> 01:47:05,209 The world needs a GWAR, you know? 2333 01:47:05,335 --> 01:47:06,419 It needs GWAR. 2334 01:47:06,544 --> 01:47:08,171 It needs it to smack it around 2335 01:47:08,296 --> 01:47:11,424 and tell it what to do and tell it why it looks like shit 2336 01:47:11,549 --> 01:47:14,427 and tell it why it sucks, you know? 2337 01:47:14,552 --> 01:47:16,888 And hopefully, there'd be some beauty in that. 2338 01:47:17,013 --> 01:47:19,974 # Fuck this place # 2339 01:47:20,558 --> 01:47:21,935 # Fuck this place # 2340 01:47:23,436 --> 01:47:25,521 # Fuck this place # 2341 01:47:26,981 --> 01:47:27,982 # Fuck this place # 2342 01:47:31,819 --> 01:47:35,573 # Sexecutioner # 2343 01:47:36,908 --> 01:47:38,076 # Oh # 2344 01:47:39,661 --> 01:47:41,913 # One, two, three # 2345 01:47:42,038 --> 01:47:43,873 # Whoo! # 2346 01:47:46,417 --> 01:47:49,337 # Slymenstra Hymen # 2347 01:47:52,006 --> 01:47:55,510 Hello, little boys. 2348 01:47:55,635 --> 01:47:58,179 # Sleazy P # 2349 01:48:00,056 --> 01:48:01,599 We're a team. 2350 01:48:03,226 --> 01:48:05,395 # GWAR Woman # 2351 01:48:21,744 --> 01:48:23,955 Once you've been in that band, 2352 01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:25,999 you're always in that band. 2353 01:48:26,124 --> 01:48:28,751 I talk about GWAR, even though my career, 2354 01:48:28,876 --> 01:48:31,212 I am in a band called Rise Against. 2355 01:48:31,337 --> 01:48:34,007 But I'm forever in GWAR. 2356 01:48:34,132 --> 01:48:35,842 And that's my family, you know, still. 2357 01:48:55,278 --> 01:48:56,904 It's amazing. 2358 01:48:57,030 --> 01:48:58,841 I've gotten to hang out with one of my best friends 2359 01:48:58,865 --> 01:49:01,909 that I haven't been able to hang out with in a really long time. 2360 01:49:02,035 --> 01:49:05,204 It's like we picked right back up where we left off. 2361 01:49:05,329 --> 01:49:07,457 And even though we've had our differences 2362 01:49:07,582 --> 01:49:10,209 and there's been some static between us, 2363 01:49:10,334 --> 01:49:11,961 overall, man, he's my friend, you know? 2364 01:49:13,463 --> 01:49:15,256 And it's nice to have my friend back. 2365 01:49:15,381 --> 01:49:16,507 You know? 2366 01:49:16,632 --> 01:49:18,968 So... Yeah. 2367 01:49:25,475 --> 01:49:29,228 Chaos has been what's made this band move forward 2368 01:49:29,353 --> 01:49:30,730 for 30-some years. 2369 01:49:30,855 --> 01:49:32,982 And it's crazy when you think about it. 2370 01:49:33,107 --> 01:49:34,776 There's nothing else like this. 2371 01:49:37,487 --> 01:49:39,864 We're doing more things than ever... 2372 01:49:39,989 --> 01:49:42,492 The festival, a lot of different endorsements. 2373 01:49:42,617 --> 01:49:44,535 Matt's got the comics going on. 2374 01:49:44,660 --> 01:49:48,164 I just put together GWAR's first museum show. 2375 01:49:48,289 --> 01:49:49,373 The GWAR Bar. 2376 01:49:49,499 --> 01:49:50,917 When Dave died, 2377 01:49:51,042 --> 01:49:53,419 we were months away from getting the bar open, 2378 01:49:53,544 --> 01:49:55,880 and now it's kind of like a little GWAR museum 2379 01:49:56,005 --> 01:49:57,590 that you can get drunk in. 2380 01:49:57,715 --> 01:50:00,802 You don't do GWAR because you want to get rich. 2381 01:50:00,927 --> 01:50:02,807 You don't do GWAR 'cause you want to get famous. 2382 01:50:02,845 --> 01:50:05,932 You do GWAR because you fucking love it. 2383 01:50:06,808 --> 01:50:08,226 I didn't get rich off this. 2384 01:50:08,351 --> 01:50:10,311 I've put a lot of my life into it, 2385 01:50:10,436 --> 01:50:14,524 and I wouldn't trade it for anything at this point. 2386 01:50:14,649 --> 01:50:17,777 I can't believe it's been the defining thing in my life 2387 01:50:17,902 --> 01:50:19,382 and I'm still doing it 30 years later. 2388 01:50:19,487 --> 01:50:21,531 But it's made meaning out of my life, 2389 01:50:21,656 --> 01:50:24,325 and I've enjoyed every bit of it, even the horrible shit. 2390 01:50:24,450 --> 01:50:26,953 So, like, I'm proud of everybody I work with 2391 01:50:27,078 --> 01:50:29,163 and everything we've done, even the crappy stuff. 2392 01:50:29,288 --> 01:50:31,332 So, like, try and find another GWAR. 2393 01:50:31,457 --> 01:50:32,667 There's not one. 2394 01:50:32,792 --> 01:50:35,461 That's something to be said for that. 2395 01:50:41,843 --> 01:50:46,472 GWAR lives, motherfucker! 2396 01:50:46,597 --> 01:50:48,659 Yeah, man. 2397 01:50:48,683 --> 01:50:51,644 I've had just 12 concussions in this band, 2398 01:50:51,769 --> 01:50:53,354 and the doctor was like... 2399 01:50:53,479 --> 01:50:55,106 The last one, he was just like, 2400 01:50:55,231 --> 01:50:56,667 "What line of work are you in again?" 2401 01:50:58,568 --> 01:51:02,280 He's like, "You should probably find some other line of work." 2402 01:51:18,129 --> 01:51:20,049 # Your socks, they smell, your feet, they stink # 2403 01:51:20,089 --> 01:51:21,716 # You never take a bath # 2404 01:51:21,841 --> 01:51:23,593 # Your nose, it runs, you bust your buns # 2405 01:51:23,718 --> 01:51:25,636 # You always finish last # 2406 01:51:25,761 --> 01:51:26,761 - Sick! # - Sick! # 2407 01:51:26,846 --> 01:51:27,638 - # Oft # - # Oft # 2408 01:51:27,763 --> 01:51:29,182 # You # 2409 01:51:29,307 --> 01:51:32,768 # I'm so sick, so sick of you # 2410 01:51:32,894 --> 01:51:33,895 - Sick! # - Sick! # 2411 01:51:34,020 --> 01:51:34,812 - # Oft # - # Oft # 2412 01:51:34,937 --> 01:51:36,355 # You # 2413 01:51:36,480 --> 01:51:37,982 # I'm so sick # 2414 01:51:38,107 --> 01:51:42,153 # So sick of you, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh # 2415 01:51:42,278 --> 01:51:44,113 # Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh # 2416 01:51:54,874 --> 01:51:56,250 # Sick! Of! # 2417 01:51:56,375 --> 01:51:58,336 # You! # 2418 01:51:58,461 --> 01:52:01,130 # I'm so sick, so sick of you # 2419 01:52:01,255 --> 01:52:03,633 # I'm sick! Of! # 2420 01:52:03,758 --> 01:52:05,343 # You! # 2421 01:52:05,468 --> 01:52:08,471 # I'm so sick, so sick of you # 2422 01:52:08,596 --> 01:52:10,431 # I'm sick of you # 2423 01:52:10,556 --> 01:52:12,475 # I'm sick of you # 2424 01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:16,062 # I'm so sick, so sick of you # 2425 01:52:16,187 --> 01:52:17,688 # I'm sick of you # 2426 01:52:17,813 --> 01:52:19,732 # I'm sick of you # 2427 01:52:19,857 --> 01:52:23,027 # I'm so sick, so sick of you # 2428 01:52:23,152 --> 01:52:25,279 # I'm sick! Of! # 2429 01:52:25,404 --> 01:52:26,989 # You! # 2430 01:52:27,114 --> 01:52:30,243 # I'm so sick, so sick of you # 2431 01:52:30,368 --> 01:52:34,580 # I'm sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick # 2432 01:52:34,705 --> 01:52:35,998 # I'm so sick # 2433 01:52:36,123 --> 01:52:38,251 # So motherfuckin' titty-suckin' # 2434 01:52:38,376 --> 01:52:40,836 # God damn, don't you know it, I am fuckin'... # 2435 01:52:40,962 --> 01:52:45,132 # Sick of you # 192082

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