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First step is make sure
the air pressure is out of them
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so they don't blow your face off
when you undo the plug.
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And then you add the dye.
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It's a hypoallergenic
powdered food dye.
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They used to get it from France.
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I don't know
where they get it now.
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It's FDA-approved.
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No more mold.
No more maggots in the hoses.
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At every venue, you got to find
out where the hose hookup is.
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Sometimes it's behind the bar,
under a sink.
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We've had to hook them up
to toilets before.
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It's, uh, kind of a mess.
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We've had a few mishaps.
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We've had these connections
blow off midshow
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and just send a geyser of blood
20 feet in the air.
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But, man, people love getting
spewed on, and I love doing it.
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I never really knew
that I enjoyed
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just spraying people with blood
as much as I do.
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GWAR was a big, bawdy, violent,
sexual, theatrical rock show.
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Basically, they're barbarian
interplanetary warriors
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who play heavy metal music
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and shoot various bodily fluids
all over the audience.
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That's pretty much GWAR.
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They were the scumdogs
of the universe,
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banished to the shittiest planet
they could come to.
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Is that... That's the thing?
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That part seems pretty accurate.
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It's performance art,
but it's also...
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It's this performance art that
doesn't take itself seriously.
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It's fucking crazy.
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The greatest fucking metal band
that ever was...
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Alien, human, otherwise.
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What you're not seeing
is what's going on
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behind that stage that's making
this whole show work.
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And it's people frantically
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working their asses off
the whole time.
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This band is not just musicians.
They're artists.
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They build and they make
everything themselves.
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It sounds like a really
messy, mindless joke, I suppose,
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but in reality,
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it's one of the greatest
social commentaries ever.
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That's sort of
the beauty of GWAR
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is, as much as they'll say,
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"We're here to destroy
the human race,"
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they're actually here
to save it.
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Listen. You're gonna go.
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You're gonna be
absolutely entertained.
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Some of the stuff
may offend you,
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so you got to go in there
with an open mind.
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There's something very punk
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and raw about GWAR's art,
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and it's not
supposed to be safe.
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It makes you feel uncomfortable.
That's part of it.
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It was a really powerful
group of awesome artists
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converging at the same time.
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And it was a joke,
and we just kept going with it.
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It's like, joke's on everyone
else now,
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30 years later, you know?
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It's a joke with no punch line.
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The most amazing, cataclysmic
rock-'n"-roll event
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of the century,
ladies and gentlemen.
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This is GWAR.
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So, Richmond in the '80s
was a conservative city,
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capital of the Confederacy.
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It was dangerous.
It was dirty.
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It was a good place
to get your ass kicked,
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especially if you were
a college student,
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especially if you were
an art student.
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There was
a pretty happening punk scene
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that grew around the art school
at VCU...
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Virginia Commonwealth
University.
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##
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Here in Richmond, there's
a building called The Dairy.
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It's a really bizarre building.
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It has milk bottles as corners.
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The Dairy was an old
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milk-bottling plant
from the '20s,
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and it had long since fallen
into disuse and disrepair.
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There was junk everywhere.
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There was leftover machinery.
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They wanted to gut
this building.
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And they used to hire
a lot of artists to do shit
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like tear out the asbestos
and shit like that.
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And in order to, like,
keep the whole project afloat,
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they rented
the different chambers
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of the crazy, mazelike building
out to local artists
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and musicians who wanted
practice spaces and stuff.
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Bands started moving in.
Weird artists started moving in.
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And then there was
this whole scene there.
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And it was illegal
to live there,
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but everyone did live there.
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And one of those early people
was Hunter Jackson.
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Hunter was building
these weird, crazy costumes
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for a science-fiction movie
he wanted to do
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called "The Scumdogs
of the Universe."
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Yeah, I graduated.
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I have a bachelor's degree
in commercial art.
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But my teachers hated my art.
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I was the exact kind of student
that a commercial-art professor
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does not want in their class,
and that is somebody
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that's into fucking comic books
and animation.
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You know, my teachers
didn't do anything
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but tell me not to do what I do.
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And so there you go.
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Hunter got the studio
at The Dairy to make props
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and have a set that he could
just sort of more control over.
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Other people in that scene found
out about The Dairy through him,
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so the type of thing
he was looking for
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sort of surrounded him.
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Hunter and I first met
at a friend's house.
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And we were playing D&D.
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We were into things that
weren't considered highbrow.
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We liked horror movies.
We liked science-fiction novels.
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We liked stuff
that is considered schlock.
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So, guys like me,
Hunter Jackson, Chuck,
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when we got accepted to VCU,
we had highfalutin ideas
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of being, you know,
fantasy comic book artists.
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And once we got into school,
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we realized that that shit
just doesn't fly.
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If you brought a Frazetta
wannabe painting into critique,
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you're getting shredded.
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It really broke down their egos
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and said, "The shit
that you like is stupid.
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Dungeons & Dragons and
Japanese live-action pictures
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and KISS...
That stuff is stupid.
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It's not art."
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It was natural
for us to get together
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and want to do something
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that really was kind of
a big "fuck you"
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to the art department.
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The movie
that they started to make
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was "Scumdogs of the Universe,"
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which they wanted to be
more punk rock
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and use that sort of energy...
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You know, fun and not elitist
and alienating.
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I wanted my
science-fiction movie
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to have a punk rock soundtrack.
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And I liked Death Piggy's music,
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and I thought
that it would work.
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As soon as you got
to Richmond, if you were at VCU,
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there was a buzz.
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There was Death Piggy.
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You couldn't not know
Death Piggy and Brockie.
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We loved them because they were
the only punk rock band
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that had a sense of humor.
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And you would see
his graffiti before you met him.
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That was just cool.
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Dave Brockie had moved
down to Richmond to go to VCU,
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and he had formed a band
called Death Piggy,
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which was a punk rock band.
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And he was known
for his theatrics on the stage.
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Like, he would put mayonnaise
down his pants,
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and he had a pinata
that he filled with candy
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and quarters and cat shit.
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So the audience would beat it,
and it broke open.
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They all dive to the
ground and were clawing through
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this mess,
trying to find the quarters,
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and they're actually
going through cat shit
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while they're doing it.
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It was just like...
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My biggest influences
throughout all high school
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was Monty Python.
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I thought it was the most
brilliant shit I'd ever seen.
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And I really wanted to make
fucked-up, weird music.
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As long as it was loud
and fast
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and I could go down
and hurt myself, I was into it.
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What the fuck is going on?
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Hi.
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Hello.
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Dave Brockie was a funny,
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really talented performer
who was always on.
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I mean, he lived like he was
onstage all the time.
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And just to know him,
he was hilarious.
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Yeah.
He was my first big love.
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Hey, Dave.
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He was so creative and smart,
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and he had such a big
fan base already.
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Like, everyone always wanted
to be around him
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because of his personality.
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Every time you were around him,
everyone was in a good mood.
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You're on film. Face it.
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One thing that Dave had
in common with me
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is that he was willing
to get up there
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and pretend like
he's jerking off
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in front of an audience,
you know, and shit like that.
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Not very many lead singers
of a band that want to be cool
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are gonna want to do things
like that.
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But Dave was game for whatever
and beyond.
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That's one way that Dave
and Hunter really connected,
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was this sort of eschewing
the self-seriousness
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that was really worthy
only of contempt to them.
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I was just like,
"Art's great," you know?
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And they're like, "No.
Art fucking sucks."
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People who draw a bunch
of squiggly lines
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and then stand next to it and
smoke cigarettes and act cool,
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those people suck.
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They hated that.
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They wanted to destroy that.
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He shared a lot
of the sense of humor that I had
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about crazy, over-the-top stuff.
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And that's why
we clung together,
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because in a way we were driven
by the same demons.
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Death Piggy's recording studio
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was just on the other side
of the wall
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from the original slave pit
that Hunter and I had.
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And it was inevitable
that we would meet.
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So, we're over there
at the slave pit,
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working on Hunter Jackson's
movie,
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and Dave Brockie comes over,
and he says,
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"Hey, I've got a great idea.
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What if we borrow these costumes
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and we open for ourselves
as this insane barbarian band?"
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Hunter's making these props
and sets for a movie.
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Dave's in this crazy
performance punk band.
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And Dave says, "Hey, I'll wear
that stupid shit onstage
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and see what happens."
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"We'll call it...
GWA-A-A-A-RGGH."
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The first couple times
we tried it,
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I would just show up with
all the stuff in a garbage bag.
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Everybody would just
put shit on.
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Dave would
just borrow musicians
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from here, there,
everywhere within The Dairy.
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They'd get up onstage
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having probably practiced
the music once or twice.
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They hardly knew the songs
at all.
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Those first few shows
were very awkward.
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We had never done anything
like that, so we had...
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If you can imagine...
A kind of a stage fright.
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I think we've almost
got the problem solved,
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ladies and gentlemen.
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And we're gonna play
that first song again
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because it was so bad.
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I kept trying to justify
doing this by saying,
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"Oh, this is gonna be a scene
in my movie."
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And I had these characters
that I had created.
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But then people would start
playing those characters,
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and they would take
the character
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in their own direction.
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The idea of
"Scumdogs of the Universe"...
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The barbarians from outer space
get stranded on Earth.
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And then they're slowly sort of
sucked away into adult life.
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One of them gets a girlfriend.
One of them becomes a stoner.
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One of them joins a rock band.
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Death Piggy was gonna be
the rock band.
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But you pitch anything
like that to Dave Brockie,
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and he's gonna take it over,
which is what he did.
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Without Dave, it's not a band,
248
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and without Hunter,
it's not space barbarians.
249
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So the two of them and their
ideas colliding together
250
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was this kind of
supernatural event.
251
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Immediately,
everybody in Richmond loved it.
252
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They loved it.
253
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And GWAR blew up after that.
254
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You really got to
give credit to Hunter
255
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and his brilliance
and Brockie and his energy.
256
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Two stars hit,
and then it was like, "Boom."
257
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They couldn't have done it
without each other.
258
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It was a pretty quick snowball
259
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of this movie
starting to roll down a hill
260
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and then all these people
jumping on it,
261
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getting bigger and bigger
and bigger.
262
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We had a lot of creative people
263
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that were just basically
moving in and setting up shop,
264
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and no one was saying no
to them.
265
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And if we had said no,
266
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maybe GWAR never would've been
as cool as it was, you know?
267
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So I will defend our open-house
policy of misfit artists
268
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till the end.
269
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Halloween 1986, GWAR
plays their biggest show to date
270
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in a big commons area
in the middle of VCU.
271
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It was called Shafer Court.
272
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Iggy Pop played there.
273
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A lot of big touring bands
played there.
274
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And that place would be packed.
275
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There'd be 500
to 1,000 people there.
276
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So when they hired GWAR
to play Halloween,
277
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that was a really big deal
for us.
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All of us
worked together really hard
279
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to make this one
particular show.
280
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And we were gonna debut
a lot of stuff.
281
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A giant dinosaur and a cockroach
come out and fight.
282
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Terrorists take over the stage.
283
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Every GWAR villain comes out.
284
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A giant airplane engine
falls out of the sky
285
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and lands onstage
and kills people.
286
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Boom!
It was so awesome.
287
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It was so awesome.
288
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I think we all
came away from that
289
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with a feeling that "This isn't
just a joke band anymore.
290
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This thing really has
potential."
291
00:13:56,293 --> 00:13:58,795
I remember feeling like,
"This is what I want to do.
292
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This is gonna be huge."
293
00:14:02,132 --> 00:14:06,470
So, Dave and I broke up,
and anybody who was near us
294
00:14:06,595 --> 00:14:08,805
hated to be around us
when we were in the same room.
295
00:14:10,932 --> 00:14:14,186
They had a meeting,
and everybody voted me out.
296
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And I was like,
"I'm gonna be strong."
297
00:14:16,772 --> 00:14:18,982
And I'm like,
"Have a good life."
298
00:14:19,107 --> 00:14:23,195
But I knew GWAR had
so much brilliance in it,
299
00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,489
and so I was
really disappointed.
300
00:14:25,614 --> 00:14:28,200
But, you know, that's life.
301
00:14:29,576 --> 00:14:31,536
During the beginning
part of GWAR,
302
00:14:31,661 --> 00:14:36,249
a lot of it was financed
by my job as a prison guard.
303
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I got an offer to move
to Detroit.
304
00:14:39,669 --> 00:14:41,671
And me,
a little boy from the sticks
305
00:14:41,797 --> 00:14:44,800
who always wanted to live in
the big city, I couldn't resist,
306
00:14:44,925 --> 00:14:47,844
and I took off for Detroit
for a year.
307
00:14:47,969 --> 00:14:49,489
Literally, they said, "Okay.
308
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At Shafer Court,
we're gonna get serious.�
309
00:14:51,348 --> 00:14:54,518
And then, a month later,
everybody quits.
310
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Hunter decided to move
to Detroit,
311
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and all the musicians quit.
312
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We don't even have the costumes
anymore,
313
00:15:00,857 --> 00:15:02,484
because Hunter took those
as well.
314
00:15:02,609 --> 00:15:05,737
That was horrible,
because we had no idea.
315
00:15:05,862 --> 00:15:07,406
We thought everything
was going great,
316
00:15:07,531 --> 00:15:09,282
and we had this great show
at Shafer Court,
317
00:15:09,408 --> 00:15:11,618
and, all of a sudden,
we were losing, like,
318
00:15:11,743 --> 00:15:14,162
our most talented people.
319
00:15:14,287 --> 00:15:16,456
Don and Dave basically said,
320
00:15:16,581 --> 00:15:18,375
"Well, we're gonna do this.
321
00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:20,585
Don's gonna be in charge
of the art department now.
322
00:15:20,710 --> 00:15:23,505
We're gonna find a whole new
band and some new artists,
323
00:15:23,630 --> 00:15:25,340
and we're gonna make this work."
324
00:15:25,465 --> 00:15:27,676
Don was really instrumental
325
00:15:27,801 --> 00:15:30,429
in bringing new technologies
to GWAR.
326
00:15:30,554 --> 00:15:33,432
He always wanted the style
to be more polished
327
00:15:33,557 --> 00:15:35,600
and more professional-looking.
328
00:15:35,725 --> 00:15:38,228
One of the biggest
breakthroughs was latex rubber.
329
00:15:38,353 --> 00:15:40,897
Don used it to make
the Chernobyl cockroach.
330
00:15:41,022 --> 00:15:44,860
And the next thing you know,
we have latex in our blood.
331
00:15:44,985 --> 00:15:47,696
All the new characters
were made by Don and Chuck
332
00:15:47,821 --> 00:15:48,821
right then.
333
00:16:00,375 --> 00:16:02,419
Hunter would take
blood balloons.
334
00:16:02,544 --> 00:16:04,504
He'd put Karo syrup
and food dye
335
00:16:04,629 --> 00:16:06,840
into these water balloons.
336
00:16:06,965 --> 00:16:11,511
And he would tape them onto
one of the spikes of a mace.
337
00:16:13,221 --> 00:16:14,723
# GWAR, GWAR, GWAR, GWAR, GWAR #
338
00:16:14,848 --> 00:16:16,349
That was okay.
339
00:16:16,475 --> 00:16:18,518
But we were thinking, "Okay.
What else can we add?"
340
00:16:18,643 --> 00:16:22,522
And I took a hot water bottle
and ran a tube
341
00:16:22,647 --> 00:16:24,191
out to the shoulder here.
342
00:16:24,316 --> 00:16:26,359
You're my hero, man!
I've always wanted to meet you!
343
00:16:26,485 --> 00:16:29,029
If I could just shake your hand,
man.
344
00:16:31,156 --> 00:16:34,910
And I squeezed the water bottle
and spewed blood.
345
00:16:35,035 --> 00:16:36,679
I think I might have reached
somebody in the front row.
346
00:16:36,703 --> 00:16:37,746
I don't know.
347
00:16:37,871 --> 00:16:40,207
But from then on,
it was just like,
348
00:16:40,332 --> 00:16:41,732
"Where can we do this effect
again?"
349
00:16:41,833 --> 00:16:43,513
And, "Why sit there
and use a water bottle?
350
00:16:43,627 --> 00:16:46,796
Let's do pressurization
in a fire extinguisher."
351
00:16:46,922 --> 00:16:49,132
So we started stealing
fire extinguishers
352
00:16:49,257 --> 00:16:51,134
from the VCU campus.
353
00:16:51,259 --> 00:16:53,345
And that's the way
we've been doing it ever since,
354
00:16:53,470 --> 00:16:57,098
just getting bigger and bigger
canisters to pressurize
355
00:16:57,224 --> 00:16:58,558
and shoot spew.
356
00:16:58,683 --> 00:17:01,186
It was just a cornucopia
357
00:17:01,311 --> 00:17:03,146
of body fluids
spraying all over the audience.
358
00:17:03,271 --> 00:17:04,665
I was like, "What?
You can't do tha...
359
00:17:04,689 --> 00:17:06,024
You can do that?"
360
00:17:06,149 --> 00:17:08,193
It was, like, very cathartic.
361
00:17:08,318 --> 00:17:10,779
When you go
to a GWAR show, in 90 minutes,
362
00:17:10,904 --> 00:17:14,366
you're gonna get to see everyone
you hated that year get killed.
363
00:17:14,491 --> 00:17:17,244
You get to see a lot of the evil
in the world
364
00:17:17,369 --> 00:17:18,495
get their comeuppance.
365
00:17:18,620 --> 00:17:20,664
You get blood shot at you,
366
00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:23,625
and you don't know
who's getting decapitated next.
367
00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:26,336
And it's just this blur
of performance art
368
00:17:26,461 --> 00:17:28,129
rather than a rock show.
369
00:17:28,255 --> 00:17:30,465
And it's lowbrow,
and it's nasty,
370
00:17:30,590 --> 00:17:32,801
and it's fun.
371
00:17:32,926 --> 00:17:35,086
If there was somebody who wanted
to go see a GWAR show,
372
00:17:35,136 --> 00:17:37,448
and they didn't know anything
about them, I would just say...
373
00:17:37,472 --> 00:17:39,641
I'd give them a new T-shirt,
and I'd say,
374
00:17:39,766 --> 00:17:41,518
"This is just
what everyone does."
375
00:17:41,643 --> 00:17:45,355
I'd just watch him as he just
gets pelted with come and blood
376
00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,149
and various combinations
of the two.
377
00:17:48,275 --> 00:17:49,752
And when they see you up front
378
00:17:49,776 --> 00:17:51,653
and they know
you're standing there,
379
00:17:51,778 --> 00:17:53,947
they're gonna fuck with you
on purpose.
380
00:17:54,072 --> 00:17:55,925
If you're going up front,
you're gonna be covered.
381
00:17:55,949 --> 00:17:58,785
I don't want to consider
myself some sort of dandy,
382
00:17:58,910 --> 00:18:01,079
but I might be the guy
383
00:18:01,204 --> 00:18:02,848
who, when you're like,
"Hey, you like GWAR?
384
00:18:02,872 --> 00:18:04,308
I'm like, "Oh, yeah. Yeah.
For sure."
385
00:18:04,332 --> 00:18:05,685
They're like,
"Do you want to go see GWAR
386
00:18:05,709 --> 00:18:07,252
and stand right up close?"
387
00:18:07,377 --> 00:18:10,088
I don't know.
I don't know if I do.
388
00:18:10,213 --> 00:18:13,967
One time we played...
I think it was The Tabernacle,
389
00:18:14,092 --> 00:18:16,052
and the club was, like,
so apologetic.
390
00:18:16,177 --> 00:18:18,197
They're like, "You can't set up
for another couple hours
391
00:18:18,221 --> 00:18:19,615
'cause we're still cleaning up
the blood
392
00:18:19,639 --> 00:18:21,433
from the GWAR show last night."
393
00:18:21,558 --> 00:18:23,727
They make a mess.
394
00:18:23,852 --> 00:18:27,564
You figure, if you're gonna do
a show, you put on a show.
395
00:18:36,531 --> 00:18:39,576
Dave decided it was time
to get a real band.
396
00:18:39,701 --> 00:18:41,661
And there was this new kid
in high school
397
00:18:41,786 --> 00:18:43,389
who was playing in this band
called The Guilty,
398
00:18:43,413 --> 00:18:44,813
and everybody was talking
about him.
399
00:18:44,914 --> 00:18:46,475
It was like,
"Oh, have you seen The Guilty?"
400
00:18:46,499 --> 00:18:48,126
It's like, "Beefcake, man.
401
00:18:48,251 --> 00:18:50,295
This kid Beefcake.
He's crazy.
402
00:18:50,420 --> 00:18:52,300
He's like... He plays bass
like I've never seen.
403
00:18:52,339 --> 00:18:54,466
He uses his fingers,
and he's all over the place."
404
00:18:54,591 --> 00:18:55,884
Everybody respected him 'cause
405
00:18:56,009 --> 00:18:57,569
he was the best bass player
in Richmond.
406
00:18:57,636 --> 00:18:59,512
And so he stole Beefcake
out of The Guilty
407
00:18:59,638 --> 00:19:02,682
and out of high school and said,
"You're gonna be in my band."
408
00:19:02,807 --> 00:19:03,933
Hate me?
409
00:19:04,059 --> 00:19:05,935
There's a lot to hate there.
410
00:19:06,061 --> 00:19:07,228
Yeah, really.
411
00:19:07,354 --> 00:19:09,105
There's too much of me
to hate.
412
00:19:09,230 --> 00:19:10,523
Beefcake the Mighty...
413
00:19:10,649 --> 00:19:12,984
When I was in the punk scene
in Richmond,
414
00:19:13,109 --> 00:19:17,030
I gave myself a punk name,
which was Beefcake.
415
00:19:17,155 --> 00:19:18,990
Everybody knew him, you know?
416
00:19:19,115 --> 00:19:20,950
He's a kid that would walk in,
417
00:19:21,076 --> 00:19:23,119
and they'd go,
"Oh, it's Beefcake. Hey!"
418
00:19:23,244 --> 00:19:25,455
The local pizza place,
he would walk in.
419
00:19:25,580 --> 00:19:28,750
"It's Beefcake! Hey!
Slices! Slices! Beefcake!"
420
00:19:28,875 --> 00:19:30,335
It's very tacky.
421
00:19:30,460 --> 00:19:32,021
Are you ready
to wander across the street?
422
00:19:32,045 --> 00:19:33,689
- I would never wear it.
- So he was the only one
423
00:19:33,713 --> 00:19:35,399
who didn't have to come up with
a stage name,
424
00:19:35,423 --> 00:19:36,925
because they just said,
425
00:19:37,050 --> 00:19:38,802
"You can be Beefcake,
'cause that'll work."
426
00:19:38,927 --> 00:19:40,762
Thank you.
I am Beefcake the Mighty.
427
00:19:40,887 --> 00:19:42,639
And the purpose of GWAR is,
of course,
428
00:19:42,764 --> 00:19:45,850
as you can tell from
our accoutrement, to destroy.
429
00:19:45,975 --> 00:19:47,815
So they put together
all these musicians
430
00:19:47,936 --> 00:19:50,480
and actually wrote
15 punk rock songs
431
00:19:50,605 --> 00:19:52,107
and went up there
and recorded it.
432
00:19:52,232 --> 00:19:54,317
And we were really proud of it.
433
00:19:54,442 --> 00:19:58,029
I remember first hearing it.
I thought it sounded pretty bad.
434
00:19:58,154 --> 00:20:00,490
# 'Cause we are GWAR #
435
00:20:00,615 --> 00:20:03,118
# We've got guitars #
436
00:20:03,243 --> 00:20:05,537
# We'll eat your car #
437
00:20:05,662 --> 00:20:06,996
# GWAR, GWAR, GWAR, GWAR #
438
00:20:07,122 --> 00:20:09,541
We got it done.
We were all excited.
439
00:20:09,666 --> 00:20:11,751
We had a big listening party.
440
00:20:11,876 --> 00:20:14,379
And we just sat there
and dropped the needle on it,
441
00:20:14,504 --> 00:20:17,382
and it finishes,
and everybody is like...
442
00:20:17,507 --> 00:20:19,551
"Oh, dude.
That just sucks."
443
00:20:19,676 --> 00:20:21,553
Yeah.
I mean, it was horrible.
444
00:20:21,678 --> 00:20:23,078
It sounded like
it was coming out of
445
00:20:23,138 --> 00:20:25,432
a fucking Japanese
transistor radio.
446
00:20:29,769 --> 00:20:32,063
That idea
of wanting to demonstrate
447
00:20:32,188 --> 00:20:33,356
that you're a good player
448
00:20:33,481 --> 00:20:35,275
because you're also
in this costume,
449
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,610
that kind of shaped the way
that the band sounded.
450
00:20:37,736 --> 00:20:40,613
And the result
was kind of awful.
451
00:20:43,324 --> 00:20:45,368
The band was just dumb.
452
00:20:45,493 --> 00:20:49,873
And it really wasn't until we
started thinking about the band
453
00:20:49,998 --> 00:20:51,750
in a more serious way...
454
00:20:51,875 --> 00:20:53,543
You know,
the people that are out there
455
00:20:53,668 --> 00:20:55,962
doing really good music
right now.
456
00:20:56,087 --> 00:20:57,255
We got those guys.
457
00:21:04,471 --> 00:21:07,974
My name is Balsac
the Jaws of Death.
458
00:21:08,099 --> 00:21:10,560
I didn't think I was
a punk rocker at all.
459
00:21:10,685 --> 00:21:14,814
I was just a kid who played
guitar and liked weird stuff.
460
00:21:14,939 --> 00:21:17,859
Brockie liked that I made
weird faces with my jaw.
461
00:21:17,984 --> 00:21:21,029
'Cause, like, when I played,
I would do a lot of that stuff,
462
00:21:21,154 --> 00:21:23,406
which is funny,
because I put on a mask,
463
00:21:23,531 --> 00:21:26,159
and nobody could ever see what
I look like when I play guitar.
464
00:21:29,871 --> 00:21:33,082
Mike Bishop calls me
up, and we set up an audition.
465
00:21:33,208 --> 00:21:34,834
And there's two other guys
466
00:21:34,959 --> 00:21:36,669
that are gonna audition
the same day.
467
00:21:36,795 --> 00:21:39,380
And one guy doesn't have a kit,
so he's gonna play my kit.
468
00:21:39,506 --> 00:21:41,299
He played the audition first.
469
00:21:41,424 --> 00:21:43,009
And then I just went up
470
00:21:43,134 --> 00:21:44,928
and just whipped his ass
on my own set.
471
00:21:45,053 --> 00:21:46,971
It wasn't that hard to do,
472
00:21:47,096 --> 00:21:49,641
'cause he wasn't familiar
with my drum setup, but I was.
473
00:21:49,766 --> 00:21:51,351
And I just listened
to what he played,
474
00:21:51,476 --> 00:21:53,436
and then I just went in
and did it better.
475
00:21:54,979 --> 00:21:57,148
I was like, "Oh,
this is a great opportunity.
476
00:21:57,273 --> 00:21:59,776
I could use GWAR
as a stepping-stone
477
00:21:59,901 --> 00:22:01,361
to a career in music."
478
00:22:01,486 --> 00:22:04,906
And, you know, 30 years later...
I'm still in GWAR.
479
00:22:06,783 --> 00:22:08,677
I was checking out
the GWAR shows and everything.
480
00:22:08,701 --> 00:22:10,954
And I'd be bouncing off
the walls and stuff.
481
00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:13,289
And that's kind of where
they saw, like, "Oh, wow.
482
00:22:13,414 --> 00:22:14,916
Danielle's this crazy dancer."
483
00:22:15,041 --> 00:22:16,501
I think they came over
to my house
484
00:22:16,626 --> 00:22:18,086
like in the middle
of the night,
485
00:22:18,211 --> 00:22:20,296
like, "Danielle, we need you
to go to this show."
486
00:22:20,421 --> 00:22:22,173
I mean, I was in college
and everything,
487
00:22:22,298 --> 00:22:24,735
so I didn't really think it was
gonna be, like, a career move.
488
00:22:24,759 --> 00:22:26,636
I just was like, "Okay.
489
00:22:26,761 --> 00:22:29,013
I'm going to New York
this weekend," you know?
490
00:22:30,598 --> 00:22:32,183
Before I had joined the band,
491
00:22:32,308 --> 00:22:33,908
the character had been called
GWAR Woman.
492
00:22:33,977 --> 00:22:36,187
And I really wanted to give her
a name.
493
00:22:36,312 --> 00:22:39,023
I always liked men's fear
of menstruation,
494
00:22:39,148 --> 00:22:41,317
like, "Don't have your dad
buy tampons.�
495
00:22:41,442 --> 00:22:43,403
It's just kind of a stigma
in our culture,
496
00:22:43,528 --> 00:22:44,964
and it's just something
that happens.
497
00:22:44,988 --> 00:22:47,699
So you're a sex symbol
with this bloody crotch.
498
00:22:47,824 --> 00:22:51,202
It's kind of like, "Ew.
How sexy," you know?
499
00:22:53,204 --> 00:22:57,458
So, Slymenstra Hymen.
500
00:22:59,085 --> 00:23:00,795
When they decided
that they we're gonna do
501
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,882
the Techno Destructo song,
I wanted to come back.
502
00:23:04,591 --> 00:23:07,594
One day, Dave saw him
coming down the street
503
00:23:07,719 --> 00:23:11,556
with his giant stilts...
8 1/2 feet, 9 feet tall...
504
00:23:11,681 --> 00:23:13,241
Walking down the street,
coming at Dave.
505
00:23:13,349 --> 00:23:15,268
Dave was like, "Oh, my God!"
506
00:23:15,393 --> 00:23:16,603
It was terrifying.
507
00:23:16,728 --> 00:23:18,080
I think Dave,
right then and there,
508
00:23:18,104 --> 00:23:19,480
knew he wasn't gonna argue.
509
00:23:19,606 --> 00:23:23,276
Hunter wanted to be back
in the band, so, "Okay."
510
00:23:23,401 --> 00:23:24,527
I will always come back,
511
00:23:24,652 --> 00:23:27,447
no matter how many times
they cheat, lie,
512
00:23:27,572 --> 00:23:29,407
and use deceitful tactics
against me.
513
00:23:29,532 --> 00:23:31,409
Hunter was
totally autobiographical
514
00:23:31,534 --> 00:23:34,370
about anything he conceptually
came up with.
515
00:23:34,495 --> 00:23:37,790
Techno Destructo was here
to get control of GWAR again.
516
00:23:37,916 --> 00:23:39,436
And if he couldn't get control
of them,
517
00:23:39,542 --> 00:23:40,877
he was going to destroy them.
518
00:23:42,503 --> 00:23:45,048
You don't have to be Freud
to fucking figure that one out.
519
00:23:45,173 --> 00:23:47,842
One of these days,
GWAR will be destroyed.
520
00:23:47,967 --> 00:23:51,471
My attitude was like,
"You've been gone for a year.
521
00:23:51,596 --> 00:23:53,139
You haven't been working.
522
00:23:53,264 --> 00:23:56,017
You dropped a notch or two
on the ladder."
523
00:23:56,142 --> 00:23:59,395
Now Don and Chuck can
say, like, "Oh, we've got..."
524
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:00,998
What did they say?
"...skin in the game now,
525
00:24:01,022 --> 00:24:03,232
because we've created
these new characters."
526
00:24:03,358 --> 00:24:06,736
It's like, "This is a real
collective going on here."
527
00:24:07,612 --> 00:24:09,113
I always wanted to be an artist.
528
00:24:09,238 --> 00:24:10,949
And I thought that art school
529
00:24:11,074 --> 00:24:12,951
was gonna be very different
than it was.
530
00:24:13,076 --> 00:24:16,329
I expected it to be
a little more weird.
531
00:24:16,454 --> 00:24:17,747
I went to Dave.
532
00:24:17,872 --> 00:24:19,350
I went into his office,
and I was like,
533
00:24:19,374 --> 00:24:20,851
"I want to join the band.
I'm quitting art school."
534
00:24:20,875 --> 00:24:22,335
And he was like,
"Well, you know,
535
00:24:22,460 --> 00:24:24,271
I don't want to
fuck your life up or anything."
536
00:24:24,295 --> 00:24:28,424
And I was like, "Dude,
I'll go back to art school.
537
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:29,884
You know, it'll still be there.
538
00:24:30,009 --> 00:24:32,220
But GWAR is doing stuff,
and I'm getting paid."
539
00:24:32,345 --> 00:24:33,781
So he was like, "All right.
Fair enough."
540
00:24:33,805 --> 00:24:35,056
That was it.
541
00:24:35,181 --> 00:24:38,226
Okay, Matt.
Hold up your number.
542
00:24:38,351 --> 00:24:41,437
I met Matt Maguire,
and we had a lot in common.
543
00:24:41,562 --> 00:24:44,190
And I was hoping that he and I
could collaborate
544
00:24:44,315 --> 00:24:46,401
on some of my crazy
wrestling comics and stuff,
545
00:24:46,526 --> 00:24:49,696
"cause he had some wrestling
comics that he had been doing.
546
00:24:49,821 --> 00:24:52,573
But then he was really hot
to get into GWAR.
547
00:24:52,699 --> 00:24:54,659
The first show I went to,
that was it.
548
00:24:54,784 --> 00:24:56,077
I was hooked.
549
00:24:56,202 --> 00:24:57,922
I was just like,
"This is freakin' amazing."
550
00:24:57,996 --> 00:24:59,455
I was in high school
or whatever.
551
00:24:59,580 --> 00:25:01,791
Just, "Oh, my gosh!
Look at all this cool stuff!
552
00:25:01,916 --> 00:25:03,376
There's this chick blowing fire.
553
00:25:03,501 --> 00:25:05,461
And this is happening,
and heads are flying off."
554
00:25:05,586 --> 00:25:07,964
Matt was Hunter's assistant,
555
00:25:08,089 --> 00:25:11,050
and Hunter liked to keep Matt
away from us.
556
00:25:11,175 --> 00:25:15,430
But as we realized how good of
an artist Matt is, it was like,
557
00:25:15,555 --> 00:25:18,016
"Well, we're all hanging out
in the back room,
558
00:25:18,141 --> 00:25:19,475
like, having a blast."�
559
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,078
So when he stopped working
for Hunter,
560
00:25:21,102 --> 00:25:22,770
he'd come back there
and hang out with us,
561
00:25:22,895 --> 00:25:24,355
and Hunter would get all mad.
562
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,399
But Don was always just like,
"Well, fuck that."
563
00:25:26,524 --> 00:25:29,027
It's hard for me to
think how Hunter must have felt
564
00:25:29,152 --> 00:25:31,821
having this vision
about a movie...
565
00:25:31,946 --> 00:25:34,949
This was originally
what GWAR was, was his movie...
566
00:25:35,074 --> 00:25:37,201
Taken over by the band
567
00:25:37,326 --> 00:25:39,412
where Dave gets to shine
and Hunter doesn't.
568
00:25:39,537 --> 00:25:41,097
So what do you really
want to do?
569
00:25:41,205 --> 00:25:43,750
Well, I don't know.
Whatever you guys want me to do.
570
00:25:43,875 --> 00:25:45,960
I was doing the mail order
at that point,
571
00:25:46,085 --> 00:25:47,837
sitting there, licking stamps.
572
00:25:47,962 --> 00:25:52,216
You do every single bit of grunt
work that nobody wanted to do.
573
00:25:52,341 --> 00:25:55,219
That's how you made yourself
useful to the band.
574
00:25:55,344 --> 00:25:57,096
They got the shittiest jobs,
575
00:25:57,221 --> 00:25:59,015
and they had to suffer.
576
00:25:59,140 --> 00:26:01,184
They put up with it for years.
577
00:26:01,309 --> 00:26:03,394
Bob and Matt,
they earned their chops.
578
00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:06,272
Gosh, I hope it was worth it.
579
00:26:06,397 --> 00:26:09,150
Let us toast
our glorious destiny.
580
00:26:21,913 --> 00:26:23,831
He's ready.
581
00:26:23,956 --> 00:26:26,626
Hey, Dave. All right.
Hey. You ready to go?
582
00:26:26,751 --> 00:26:28,187
- Yeah!
- Ready to rock 'n' roll?
583
00:26:31,714 --> 00:26:33,299
GWAR, in the early days,
584
00:26:33,424 --> 00:26:36,469
had these International
Harvester school buses
585
00:26:36,594 --> 00:26:37,762
that they traveled in.
586
00:26:37,887 --> 00:26:39,430
We tore all the seats out.
587
00:26:39,555 --> 00:26:41,808
So you go in, and there's
two couches facing each other,
588
00:26:41,933 --> 00:26:43,392
and that's where you hang out.
589
00:26:43,518 --> 00:26:46,020
And then there was
a plywood loft,
590
00:26:46,145 --> 00:26:48,231
and there was upper sleeping
and lower sleeping.
591
00:26:48,356 --> 00:26:50,733
We just all slept
in there like dogs,
592
00:26:50,858 --> 00:26:52,693
you know, like just animals
herded together.
593
00:26:52,819 --> 00:26:56,114
We painted the school bus.
It was just covered in graffiti.
594
00:26:56,239 --> 00:27:00,409
The top of it said
"Ed Gein's mom's car" on it.
595
00:27:00,535 --> 00:27:02,870
And so we would get pulled over
a lot.
596
00:27:02,995 --> 00:27:05,123
The damn thing only went
55 miles an hour
597
00:27:05,248 --> 00:27:08,084
'cause it had a governor on it
'cause it was a school bus.
598
00:27:08,209 --> 00:27:10,044
It was like the Partridge Family
on acid,
599
00:27:10,169 --> 00:27:13,131
rolling down the road,
always getting hassled by cops,
600
00:27:13,256 --> 00:27:14,924
like, "What the hell is this?"
601
00:27:15,049 --> 00:27:17,635
At least in the second school
bus, you could take a piss.
602
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,304
We built, like, this little
cubby hole in the back
603
00:27:20,429 --> 00:27:21,597
with a door.
604
00:27:21,722 --> 00:27:23,322
I open the door to think
there's gonna be
605
00:27:23,432 --> 00:27:25,059
some sort of, like,
toilet there.
606
00:27:25,184 --> 00:27:26,394
Nothing.
607
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:28,980
It's just a fucking
oil funnel cone
608
00:27:29,105 --> 00:27:31,607
with a hose that goes to a hole
in the floor.
609
00:27:31,732 --> 00:27:33,484
And we're just pissing
in the cone.
610
00:27:33,609 --> 00:27:35,319
And you can look out
the back window
611
00:27:35,444 --> 00:27:38,739
and just see, like, all your
urine, like, hit whatever car.
612
00:27:38,865 --> 00:27:42,076
I'm just watching, like,
a whole family, kids in the car,
613
00:27:42,201 --> 00:27:45,246
windshield wipers come on,
and it's just our urine.
614
00:27:45,371 --> 00:27:47,081
Those were the school bus days.
615
00:27:47,206 --> 00:27:49,375
It is difficult being
the only girl
616
00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:52,128
and you're all grungy and gross
and dirty and sweaty
617
00:27:52,253 --> 00:27:53,981
and you're staying at, like,
punk rockers' house
618
00:27:54,005 --> 00:27:55,631
like, on the floor.
619
00:27:55,756 --> 00:27:58,467
Dave would book
these cross-country tours
620
00:27:58,593 --> 00:28:01,220
by just calling numbers out of
the back of Maximum Rocknroll.
621
00:28:01,345 --> 00:28:04,182
And we just took off
with a Rand McNally atlas
622
00:28:04,307 --> 00:28:06,934
and, you know,
a bunch of quarters
623
00:28:07,059 --> 00:28:09,020
to use the pay phone
when we got lost.
624
00:28:09,145 --> 00:28:12,690
# One love feeds the fire #
625
00:28:12,815 --> 00:28:15,943
# One heart burns desire #
626
00:28:16,068 --> 00:28:17,862
We made it across the country
627
00:28:17,987 --> 00:28:21,157
probably about six or seven
times in these school buses.
628
00:28:21,282 --> 00:28:23,159
Broke several axles on them
629
00:28:23,284 --> 00:28:25,828
and got stranded a couple times
in the Rockies,
630
00:28:25,953 --> 00:28:27,580
but it was fun.
631
00:28:27,705 --> 00:28:29,165
Those were fun days.
632
00:28:29,290 --> 00:28:30,976
I wouldn't trade
those memories for anything,
633
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,377
traveling cross country
and all those windows
634
00:28:33,502 --> 00:28:34,879
and just laying in your bunk
635
00:28:35,004 --> 00:28:38,341
and going around
with the circus...
636
00:28:38,466 --> 00:28:39,967
The thing is,
I remember even Dave,
637
00:28:40,092 --> 00:28:41,904
who was, like, the biggest
rock star in the world,
638
00:28:41,928 --> 00:28:43,554
was such a geek and nerd.
639
00:28:43,679 --> 00:28:45,473
I'm working on D&D,
640
00:28:45,598 --> 00:28:47,683
that stupid game
that your boyfriend plays.
641
00:28:47,808 --> 00:28:50,394
We were always
into Dungeons & Dragons
642
00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:52,021
and all that stuff.
643
00:28:52,146 --> 00:28:55,149
And Brockie was into it,
and he was good at it.
644
00:28:55,274 --> 00:28:56,734
You played it,
and you were like,
645
00:28:56,859 --> 00:28:59,028
"Well, this isn't stupid at all.
This is really fun."
646
00:28:59,153 --> 00:29:02,073
Because, you know, it was like,
any one of the campaigns
647
00:29:02,198 --> 00:29:05,243
that he ran could have been
a great fantasy novel.
648
00:29:05,368 --> 00:29:07,119
I remember
one of the first times
649
00:29:07,245 --> 00:29:08,663
I went out of town with GWAR,
650
00:29:08,788 --> 00:29:11,165
him reading a "Conan" book
by a flashlight
651
00:29:11,290 --> 00:29:12,792
and us all listening,
652
00:29:12,917 --> 00:29:14,961
like we were sitting around
a radio in the 1930s.
653
00:29:15,086 --> 00:29:19,423
It was, like, absurd, but it was
so, like, quaint and special.
654
00:29:21,175 --> 00:29:24,262
Why did you lie to me?
Why? Why? Why?
655
00:29:24,387 --> 00:29:25,846
Where is he?
656
00:29:25,972 --> 00:29:28,307
My new shoulder pads
are too bouncy, and it's just...
657
00:29:28,432 --> 00:29:31,644
I don't know what to do.
I can't fix something like that.
658
00:29:31,769 --> 00:29:34,313
- I'm so sad for him.
- Fuck!
659
00:29:34,438 --> 00:29:35,731
God!
660
00:29:43,197 --> 00:29:45,616
It was one of the first
school bus tours.
661
00:29:45,741 --> 00:29:47,576
I remember we were late
to a show,
662
00:29:47,702 --> 00:29:50,371
and we pulled up,
and there was actually a line
663
00:29:50,496 --> 00:29:52,206
all the way around the building.
664
00:29:52,331 --> 00:29:55,042
And that was
an impressive feeling,
665
00:29:55,167 --> 00:29:57,336
to know that we were gonna
sell out a club.
666
00:29:57,461 --> 00:29:58,981
Look at all this beer
we get now.
667
00:29:59,005 --> 00:30:00,381
Check this out.
668
00:30:00,506 --> 00:30:02,967
This is all our water and shit
to drink onstage.
669
00:30:03,092 --> 00:30:04,719
And then look at all this stuff.
670
00:30:04,844 --> 00:30:06,762
This is all soda!
Look at this!
671
00:30:06,887 --> 00:30:11,142
Are we big-time, hip,
cool rock stars now or what?
672
00:30:11,267 --> 00:30:12,828
As we were growing,
so was the stage show.
673
00:30:12,852 --> 00:30:15,313
This shit kept getting bigger
and bigger.
674
00:30:15,438 --> 00:30:16,981
Even the monsters
were getting huge.
675
00:30:17,106 --> 00:30:18,441
And that's where I came in.
676
00:30:18,566 --> 00:30:21,485
I became the big giant
monster maker.
677
00:30:21,610 --> 00:30:23,730
Some friends said, "Have you
heard of this band GWAR?"
678
00:30:23,779 --> 00:30:25,156
I go, "No."
They said, "Oh, my God.
679
00:30:25,281 --> 00:30:26,383
You got to see them.
They're amazing.
680
00:30:26,407 --> 00:30:27,533
They run into the audience.
681
00:30:27,658 --> 00:30:28,885
They throw meat at people
and blood.
682
00:30:28,909 --> 00:30:30,269
You'd love them."
I go, "Oh, okay."
683
00:30:30,328 --> 00:30:31,996
I saw them at CMJ
684
00:30:32,121 --> 00:30:33,956
and was just blown away
by how amazing it was.
685
00:30:34,081 --> 00:30:35,708
I'm sitting there
talking to my friends.
686
00:30:35,833 --> 00:30:37,501
I go,
"If these guys are half sane,
687
00:30:37,626 --> 00:30:39,086
I have to work with them."
688
00:30:39,211 --> 00:30:40,522
So it turns out
they were very sane,
689
00:30:40,546 --> 00:30:42,256
and, obviously, we did.
690
00:30:45,301 --> 00:30:46,969
# Hey! #
691
00:30:48,220 --> 00:30:51,766
We brought in
a real producer into Richmond.
692
00:30:51,891 --> 00:30:54,935
And I thought it was really
funny, because he was from I A,
693
00:30:55,061 --> 00:30:58,189
and I didn't really know
any California guys back then.
694
00:30:58,314 --> 00:31:01,150
So, "Can't eat any cheese
before you record.
695
00:31:01,275 --> 00:31:03,903
And we have to go eat
this Chinese chicken salad."
696
00:31:04,028 --> 00:31:05,654
Every day,
we would eat the same salad.
697
00:31:05,780 --> 00:31:07,740
What are you eating?
What are you eating?
698
00:31:07,865 --> 00:31:10,284
We were drinking
cheap beer and smoking pot,
699
00:31:10,409 --> 00:31:12,953
and he was worried
about us eating cheese.
700
00:31:16,082 --> 00:31:17,708
That was the best time
for us writing,
701
00:31:17,833 --> 00:31:19,835
because we didn't really know
what we were doing.
702
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,838
We hadn't become the metal band
we are now.
703
00:31:22,963 --> 00:31:24,965
We were still, like,
these punk rockers
704
00:31:25,091 --> 00:31:29,011
trying to play a heavy metal
and not quite getting it
705
00:31:29,136 --> 00:31:32,431
but reveling in the fact
that we didn't quite get it.
706
00:31:32,556 --> 00:31:34,600
# Now it knows glee #
707
00:31:34,725 --> 00:31:37,686
# As it nibbles on your spine #
708
00:31:37,812 --> 00:31:38,812
# Maggots #
709
00:31:38,854 --> 00:31:40,314
# Maggots #
710
00:31:40,439 --> 00:31:43,484
# Maggots are falling
like rain #
711
00:31:43,609 --> 00:31:44,485
# Maggots #
712
00:31:44,610 --> 00:31:46,070
# Maggots #
713
00:31:46,195 --> 00:31:48,697
# Maggots are falling,
falling like rain #
714
00:31:48,823 --> 00:31:50,157
We're making fun of it.
715
00:31:50,282 --> 00:31:51,468
We didn't want to be too good
at it.
716
00:31:51,492 --> 00:31:54,245
# Like rain! #
717
00:31:56,455 --> 00:31:58,874
Huge leap in musicianship
718
00:31:58,999 --> 00:31:59,999
from the first album.
719
00:32:00,084 --> 00:32:01,377
It's night and day.
720
00:32:01,502 --> 00:32:03,754
I had the first album
and loved it.
721
00:32:03,879 --> 00:32:05,482
It's kind of schlocky,
and it's kind of fun.
722
00:32:05,506 --> 00:32:07,426
But when they put out
"Scumdogs of the Universe,"
723
00:32:07,550 --> 00:32:08,884
I was like, "Whoa.
724
00:32:09,009 --> 00:32:10,928
These dudes have been working
on their chops."
725
00:32:11,053 --> 00:32:13,889
The fact that they were able
to play that well
726
00:32:14,014 --> 00:32:15,558
while wearing all that stuff
727
00:32:15,683 --> 00:32:17,577
is something that really
doesn't get talked about a lot.
728
00:32:17,601 --> 00:32:20,146
Because those guys could shred.
They were phenomenal musicians.
729
00:32:20,271 --> 00:32:23,274
It takes a lot to be able
to play music like that,
730
00:32:23,399 --> 00:32:25,776
not to mention being covered
in sticky blood.
731
00:32:25,901 --> 00:32:29,238
The thing that GWAR musically
has to fight against
732
00:32:29,363 --> 00:32:31,407
is how amazing it is
aesthetically.
733
00:32:31,532 --> 00:32:33,075
And it...
734
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,578
"Gimmick" is not even close
to a strong enough word
735
00:32:35,703 --> 00:32:37,246
to describe what GWAR is.
736
00:32:37,371 --> 00:32:40,207
GWAR is what they are.
It's beyond gimmick.
737
00:32:40,332 --> 00:32:42,212
I don't know
why a lot of people think
738
00:32:42,334 --> 00:32:46,630
that having a sense of humor
does not go along with rocking.
739
00:32:46,755 --> 00:32:49,508
You know, I think the two
can coexist peacefully.
740
00:32:49,633 --> 00:32:51,552
But it doesn't work
if there's not skill
741
00:32:51,677 --> 00:32:53,429
and talent to back it up.
742
00:32:53,554 --> 00:32:57,057
GWAR's got the talent, and
everything else is just icing.
743
00:32:57,183 --> 00:32:59,852
Everybody in GWAR
can fucking shred.
744
00:32:59,977 --> 00:33:02,396
Maybe it's a joke
in the packaging,
745
00:33:02,521 --> 00:33:05,566
but the musicianship
IS very sincere.
746
00:33:05,691 --> 00:33:06,691
- Sick! #
- Sick! #
747
00:33:06,775 --> 00:33:07,610
- # Oft #
- # Oft #
748
00:33:07,735 --> 00:33:09,361
# You #
749
00:33:09,487 --> 00:33:13,073
# I'm so sick, so sick of you,
ooh, ooh, ooh... #
750
00:33:13,199 --> 00:33:17,036
So the ultimate joke
of GWAR is...
751
00:33:17,828 --> 00:33:18,913
...that they're good.
752
00:33:19,038 --> 00:33:20,414
That's the joke.
753
00:33:20,539 --> 00:33:22,708
"Scumdogs" is definitely
a huge step up.
754
00:33:22,833 --> 00:33:24,644
When I got the full record,
I'm like, "Oh, my God.
755
00:33:24,668 --> 00:33:25,961
This is amazing."
756
00:33:26,086 --> 00:33:28,756
It's an epic piece of work
that they did.
757
00:33:28,881 --> 00:33:30,591
Sick!
758
00:33:32,176 --> 00:33:34,094
"Hell-0" would get
some traction,
759
00:33:34,220 --> 00:33:37,056
but "Scumdogs" had broke GWAR.
760
00:33:37,890 --> 00:33:40,184
During that tour, of course,
all the stuff happens
761
00:33:40,309 --> 00:33:42,978
where life imitates art,
you know?
762
00:33:43,103 --> 00:33:45,523
The story is about censorship,
763
00:33:45,648 --> 00:33:47,983
which was a big hot-button issue
at the time.
764
00:33:48,108 --> 00:33:50,611
Does the title "Purple Rain"
765
00:33:50,736 --> 00:33:52,196
give you an indication
766
00:33:52,321 --> 00:33:54,949
that the material
is about masturbation?
767
00:33:55,866 --> 00:33:57,743
You mean the album title
"Purple Rain"?
768
00:33:57,868 --> 00:34:00,079
And on the tour
that we're mocking
769
00:34:00,204 --> 00:34:01,747
and talking about GWAR
being censored,
770
00:34:01,872 --> 00:34:04,416
GWAR gets censored,
gets arrested.
771
00:34:04,542 --> 00:34:06,460
Dave gets arrested
for the cuttlefish.
772
00:34:06,585 --> 00:34:10,422
We played in Charlotte,
and we're doing a regular show,
773
00:34:10,548 --> 00:34:13,300
and we have this priest
that comes up onstage
774
00:34:13,425 --> 00:34:15,803
and gets stuff
jammed up his butt.
775
00:34:15,928 --> 00:34:18,597
Priests were always known
for raping young choir boys,
776
00:34:18,722 --> 00:34:20,599
so in GWAR's show,
the priest gets raped.
777
00:34:20,724 --> 00:34:22,851
So there's this big fake
rubber butt.
778
00:34:22,977 --> 00:34:25,813
We're shoving a crucifix
up Father Bohab's ass,
779
00:34:25,938 --> 00:34:28,190
dicks in it, swords in it.
780
00:34:28,315 --> 00:34:31,068
It's like a fucking
butt bouquet potpourri
781
00:34:31,193 --> 00:34:33,320
of fucking swords
hanging out of this thing.
782
00:34:33,445 --> 00:34:35,698
We didn't know it, but
the Charlotte police were there,
783
00:34:35,823 --> 00:34:38,450
and they didn't think
it was very funny.
784
00:34:38,576 --> 00:34:41,328
They were just like, you know,
"You can't do that to a priest."
785
00:34:41,453 --> 00:34:44,373
And we're like, "It's not.
It's a big fake rubber butt."
786
00:34:44,498 --> 00:34:47,042
These cops come busting
into the dressing room.
787
00:34:47,167 --> 00:34:50,796
There's Dave, halfway out
of the Oderus costume,
788
00:34:50,921 --> 00:34:53,716
just standing there
with a big penis on.
789
00:34:53,841 --> 00:34:56,719
And they're like, "All right.
You're under arrest.
790
00:34:56,844 --> 00:34:58,679
Where's the guy
in the priest outfit?"
791
00:34:58,804 --> 00:35:01,140
And, like, Bob was out
of costume already,
792
00:35:01,265 --> 00:35:04,685
and so he was like, "Oh, we
don't know which one that was."
793
00:35:04,810 --> 00:35:07,605
So they had no choice
but just to arrest Dave.
794
00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:09,940
They confiscate
the Cuttlefish of Cthulhu,
795
00:35:10,065 --> 00:35:14,403
which is the huge shvantz
between Oderus' legs.
796
00:35:14,528 --> 00:35:16,947
It's really a fish.
It's not a dick. It's a fish.
797
00:35:17,072 --> 00:35:21,660
And they took Dave's dick away
in a five-gallon bucket.
798
00:35:21,785 --> 00:35:24,038
You know, that's the only thing
they took,
799
00:35:24,163 --> 00:35:26,332
was just the dick
in a five-gallon bucket.
800
00:35:26,457 --> 00:35:28,792
We never got the cuttlefish back
either.
801
00:35:28,917 --> 00:35:30,461
It's still in an evidence room
802
00:35:30,586 --> 00:35:32,921
in Charlotte, North Carolina,
somewhere.
803
00:35:33,047 --> 00:35:35,549
When I heard he got arrested,
I was like, "What did he do?"
804
00:35:35,674 --> 00:35:38,074
And they told me what he did.
I said, "He didn't do anything?
805
00:35:38,135 --> 00:35:40,679
He was just wearing his costume?
Really?"
806
00:35:44,391 --> 00:35:46,101
Oderus Urungus will be in court
807
00:35:46,226 --> 00:35:47,786
in Charlotte, North Carolina,
next week,
808
00:35:47,895 --> 00:35:50,022
to face obscenity charges
filed after a GWAR concert
809
00:35:50,147 --> 00:35:52,775
in the heart of Jesse Helms
country last month.
810
00:35:52,900 --> 00:35:54,610
When Dave went to trial,
811
00:35:54,735 --> 00:35:57,988
the presiding judge
was Dick Boner.
812
00:35:58,113 --> 00:36:01,116
That was the judge's name
in real fucking life.
813
00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:06,830
I was a big fan of Lenny Bruce,
814
00:36:06,955 --> 00:36:08,415
and I thought
that was really cool
815
00:36:08,540 --> 00:36:10,310
that we were getting charged
with the same stuff
816
00:36:10,334 --> 00:36:11,334
that Lenny Bruce did.
817
00:36:11,377 --> 00:36:13,170
That made me pretty proud.
818
00:36:13,295 --> 00:36:15,015
We're here interviewing people
on the street
819
00:36:15,047 --> 00:36:17,716
about the GWAR show
that was just shut down
820
00:36:17,841 --> 00:36:18,841
by the Athens police.
821
00:36:18,926 --> 00:36:20,260
How do you feel about this?
822
00:36:20,386 --> 00:36:22,262
Well, uh,
there goes the Constitution
823
00:36:22,388 --> 00:36:24,098
and everything else
it stands for.
824
00:36:24,223 --> 00:36:27,935
# All we are saying #
825
00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:31,105
# Is give GWAR a chance #
826
00:36:31,230 --> 00:36:33,732
If you enjoy the music
of Barry Manilow, Liberace,
827
00:36:33,857 --> 00:36:36,360
or The Bee Gees,
then you're gonna hate GWAR.
828
00:36:36,485 --> 00:36:38,737
- Their name is GWAR.
- GWAR, the band from hell...
829
00:36:38,862 --> 00:36:41,323
That band, GWAR,
has got to be the raunchiest,
830
00:36:41,448 --> 00:36:42,866
most rotten band.
831
00:36:42,991 --> 00:36:44,552
They are the worst.
832
00:36:44,576 --> 00:36:46,203
- Oderus, um...
- Yes?
833
00:36:46,328 --> 00:36:49,748
...your act has been described
as obscene and disgusting.
834
00:36:49,873 --> 00:36:50,958
What'd you say to that?
835
00:36:51,083 --> 00:36:52,584
Mm.
Very accurate.
836
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:55,295
This is one of the best ones.
I'm gonna read you this.
837
00:36:55,421 --> 00:36:56,964
"To Grawl!"...
838
00:36:57,089 --> 00:36:58,507
G-R-A-W-L...
839
00:36:58,632 --> 00:37:00,801
"...I am a highly concerned
Catholic Christian
840
00:37:00,926 --> 00:37:03,595
who watched your videocassette,
"Tour de Scum.'
841
00:37:03,721 --> 00:37:06,098
I've seen many horror shows
in my lifetime,
842
00:37:06,223 --> 00:37:09,101
but nothing compared
to what I saw on 'Tour de Scum.'
843
00:37:09,226 --> 00:37:11,812
I... "all caps...
"...WANTED TO PUKE!
844
00:37:11,937 --> 00:37:15,190
You creatures have the morality
of cannibalistic psychotics.
845
00:37:15,315 --> 00:37:16,859
In conclusion,
846
00:37:16,984 --> 00:37:19,319
you need to change your
attitudes toward the human race.
847
00:37:19,445 --> 00:37:21,280
Believe it or not,
there are some good people
848
00:37:21,405 --> 00:37:22,531
on the planet, too.
849
00:37:22,656 --> 00:37:25,451
God help all of you."
850
00:37:25,576 --> 00:37:27,661
So, the label gave us $50,000,
851
00:37:27,786 --> 00:37:29,830
which was typical,
for a music video.
852
00:37:29,955 --> 00:37:32,875
And we said, "Well,
instead of just a music video,
853
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,587
why not just do
an entire music movie?"
854
00:37:36,712 --> 00:37:38,356
That's, like, more money
than we'd ever seen.
855
00:37:38,380 --> 00:37:39,548
Do one song?
856
00:37:39,673 --> 00:37:42,092
No.
We're gonna do a whole movie.
857
00:37:44,219 --> 00:37:47,139
We did months
of preproduction... months.
858
00:37:47,264 --> 00:37:50,184
And we hired a production team
from Canada.
859
00:37:50,309 --> 00:37:52,811
I was like, "Why don't you
just let me direct it?"
860
00:37:52,936 --> 00:37:56,607
They were like, "No!
We don't want you to direct it.
861
00:37:56,732 --> 00:38:00,235
Even though you have
a college degree in filmmaking,
862
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,988
we have to find
a professional director
863
00:38:03,113 --> 00:38:04,948
that knows what they're doing."
864
00:38:05,073 --> 00:38:06,950
All these dudes
came from Canada,
865
00:38:07,075 --> 00:38:08,928
and they had found a director
they had worked with before
866
00:38:08,952 --> 00:38:10,412
and been happy with.
867
00:38:10,537 --> 00:38:12,706
He was in Richmond
before we even started filming
868
00:38:12,831 --> 00:38:15,042
for probably two or three weeks.
869
00:38:15,167 --> 00:38:18,128
He's, like, got these leather
pants on, strutting around,
870
00:38:18,253 --> 00:38:20,798
like, "Hey, you've got to
give me a double bed
871
00:38:20,923 --> 00:38:23,967
with all the chicks I'm gonna
get while I'm in Richmond."
872
00:38:24,092 --> 00:38:27,930
And then, the very first night
of production,
873
00:38:28,055 --> 00:38:30,724
he has a fucking
nervous breakdown.
874
00:38:30,849 --> 00:38:32,810
Oh, yeah.
Blair lost his mind.
875
00:38:32,935 --> 00:38:34,102
He quit.
He flew home.
876
00:38:34,228 --> 00:38:36,104
So...
877
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:38,440
You don't want to tell Dave
what to do,
878
00:38:38,565 --> 00:38:40,251
and you don't want to tell
Hunter what to do.
879
00:38:40,275 --> 00:38:43,237
That's, like, the worst
situation you could be put in.
880
00:38:43,362 --> 00:38:46,865
We're just like, "Dude, you
got to get the fuck out here."
881
00:38:46,990 --> 00:38:48,992
Because it was like,
"We're doing this."
882
00:38:49,117 --> 00:38:52,037
Then we're left to pick up
the pieces.
883
00:38:52,162 --> 00:38:53,956
It was fucking ridiculous.
884
00:38:54,081 --> 00:38:56,667
So everybody's, like,
directing and performing
885
00:38:56,792 --> 00:38:58,252
and fabricating sets.
886
00:38:58,377 --> 00:39:00,254
And so you're, like,
getting no sleep.
887
00:39:00,379 --> 00:39:03,173
I'm painting a set,
then I'm doing a scene,
888
00:39:03,298 --> 00:39:05,026
and then I'm coming back
and doing another thing.
889
00:39:05,050 --> 00:39:06,385
I was playing a role.
890
00:39:06,510 --> 00:39:08,345
I was painting the sets.
I was building props.
891
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:10,180
Even still,
during the making of that movie
892
00:39:10,305 --> 00:39:12,182
I was waiting tables
to pay my rent.
893
00:39:12,307 --> 00:39:14,351
They'd call me up,
"We need somebody's mom!
894
00:39:14,476 --> 00:39:16,019
We need a grandma!"
895
00:39:16,144 --> 00:39:18,188
So I'd be like, "Hey,
you want to be in our movie?"
896
00:39:18,313 --> 00:39:19,898
While I was, like,
waiting tables.
897
00:39:20,023 --> 00:39:21,066
It was like that.
898
00:39:21,191 --> 00:39:22,943
Everybody would pitch in.
899
00:39:23,068 --> 00:39:26,071
It was like how Hunter called
the slave pit the slave pit,
900
00:39:26,196 --> 00:39:28,490
because everybody came in
and worked.
901
00:39:28,615 --> 00:39:30,367
You had girlfriends and wives
and kids
902
00:39:30,492 --> 00:39:33,495
and everybody just piling in
to make the show happen.
903
00:39:33,620 --> 00:39:36,540
And it was a big, chaotic
mess, like everything we do.
904
00:39:36,665 --> 00:39:39,668
And it turned out pretty silly
905
00:39:39,793 --> 00:39:42,129
and awesome
in its own weird way.
906
00:39:42,254 --> 00:39:43,547
Do you really know GWAR?
907
00:39:43,672 --> 00:39:45,841
I'm their fuckin' manager.
908
00:39:47,092 --> 00:39:48,927
I-I'd really like to meet 'em.
909
00:39:49,052 --> 00:39:50,596
And you know what?
910
00:39:50,721 --> 00:39:52,721
The thing fucking still
got nominated for a Grammy.
911
00:39:56,935 --> 00:40:00,272
Yeah, "Phallus in Wonderland"
gets nominated for a Grammy,
912
00:40:00,397 --> 00:40:03,150
and we're just all thinking,
"Man, somebody really fucked up.
913
00:40:03,275 --> 00:40:04,860
Somebody's losing their job."
914
00:40:04,985 --> 00:40:07,738
Till this day, we don't
understand how the Grammys work,
915
00:40:07,863 --> 00:40:11,575
because it's like Annie Lennox
and MC Hammer and GWAR?
916
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:13,994
I remember Hunter
came in and was sort of...
917
00:40:14,119 --> 00:40:15,829
He was really matter-of-fact
about it.
918
00:40:15,954 --> 00:40:19,416
It wasn't like, "Man,
we got nominated for a Grammy!"
919
00:40:19,541 --> 00:40:21,919
It was just like,
"We got nominated for a Grammy.
920
00:40:22,044 --> 00:40:23,670
Enh.
Just a Grammy."
921
00:40:25,422 --> 00:40:28,216
We are gathered here
in this great Hall of Justice
922
00:40:28,342 --> 00:40:33,221
to prove that this alleged fish
is actually a penis.
923
00:40:49,112 --> 00:40:52,115
The president of that
organization was not amused.
924
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:53,825
He did not like us at all.
925
00:40:53,951 --> 00:40:55,595
We had to take the picture,
and we were like,
926
00:40:55,619 --> 00:40:57,513
"You know, man, that's just
who we are in character."
927
00:40:57,537 --> 00:40:59,539
And he's like, "Yeah.
Whatever," you know?
928
00:40:59,665 --> 00:41:01,416
Like, the dude was angry.
929
00:41:06,505 --> 00:41:08,298
We were invited out to L. A.
930
00:41:08,423 --> 00:41:10,258
To go to the awards ceremony,
931
00:41:10,384 --> 00:41:15,430
but we were specifically told,
"Do not bring the costumes."
932
00:41:16,431 --> 00:41:18,433
Like, "Oh yeah, yeah.
Sure, sure."
933
00:41:19,059 --> 00:41:22,688
Black was the color
of choice for most, but not all.
934
00:41:24,773 --> 00:41:30,028
The loudest fashion statement
was from a band called GWAR.
935
00:41:30,153 --> 00:41:33,198
We're in costume,
so of course I immediately go up
936
00:41:33,323 --> 00:41:35,283
and harass Chaka Khan.
937
00:41:35,409 --> 00:41:37,035
I'm just like, "Chaka Khan."
938
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,746
I was like, "You Earth girls
are making me hot."
939
00:41:39,871 --> 00:41:41,873
And immediately,
her guy there was just like,
940
00:41:41,999 --> 00:41:43,709
"Out of the way, kid."
941
00:41:43,834 --> 00:41:47,838
So we lasted about 15 minutes
in the lobby of the Grammys,
942
00:41:47,963 --> 00:41:50,465
and we, like, spilled a drink
on Lita Ford,
943
00:41:50,590 --> 00:41:53,218
and then we got kicked out.
944
00:41:53,343 --> 00:41:54,970
We went back
and put our tuxes back on
945
00:41:55,095 --> 00:41:56,596
and sat quietly in the audience,
946
00:41:56,722 --> 00:41:59,057
and it was pretty boring
the rest of the time.
947
00:41:59,182 --> 00:42:00,493
Except for the parties
afterwards.
948
00:42:00,517 --> 00:42:01,935
Those were fun.
949
00:42:02,060 --> 00:42:03,579
We went
to a Warner Bros. Party after.
950
00:42:03,603 --> 00:42:05,647
I did meet Madonna that night.
951
00:42:05,772 --> 00:42:07,899
I hung out with
the Chili Peppers that night.
952
00:42:08,025 --> 00:42:10,736
And I got to hold a banana
up to my crotch
953
00:42:10,861 --> 00:42:13,113
and George Clinton ate it
at the party.
954
00:42:19,327 --> 00:42:21,204
That was a crowning moment.
955
00:42:21,329 --> 00:42:23,582
It was nuts, and GWAR
had no business being there.
956
00:42:23,707 --> 00:42:25,083
Divided by the attention,
957
00:42:25,208 --> 00:42:27,461
not to mention the affection.
958
00:42:28,170 --> 00:42:30,380
No matter how you gussy GWAR up
959
00:42:30,505 --> 00:42:32,841
and no matter what award
you give it,
960
00:42:32,966 --> 00:42:34,801
it's always gonna be
exactly what it is,
961
00:42:34,926 --> 00:42:40,474
which is this warty little
D&D-playing, snot-nosed kid
962
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:41,975
that is, you know...
963
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:43,477
Like, that's what GWAR is, man.
964
00:42:43,602 --> 00:42:45,312
It's just...
It's just geeky.
965
00:42:45,437 --> 00:42:47,272
And it's wonderful in that way.
966
00:42:47,397 --> 00:42:50,901
But, like, we didn't fit in
at the Grammys.
967
00:42:51,026 --> 00:42:54,321
# Oh, can't you hear me
calling? #
968
00:42:54,446 --> 00:42:57,908
# Just like the sad whale song #
969
00:42:58,658 --> 00:43:02,788
# I'm on that road behind #
970
00:43:06,625 --> 00:43:08,627
I am Flattus Maximus.
971
00:43:08,752 --> 00:43:10,462
I play guitar.
972
00:43:10,587 --> 00:43:12,672
Dewey was just moving into
973
00:43:12,798 --> 00:43:14,299
a different point in his life.
974
00:43:14,424 --> 00:43:16,134
He had his own
construction business,
975
00:43:16,259 --> 00:43:17,636
and he was just like,
976
00:43:17,761 --> 00:43:19,679
"I'm not gonna be
a rock-'n'-roll guy anymore."
977
00:43:21,014 --> 00:43:24,309
How I remember it is Pete
just showed up at the slave pit,
978
00:43:24,434 --> 00:43:28,230
drove a solid 20-some hours
from Texas
979
00:43:28,355 --> 00:43:30,565
with a huge bag of weed,
and was just like,
980
00:43:30,690 --> 00:43:32,734
"I'm gonna be you guys'
new guitar player."
981
00:43:32,859 --> 00:43:34,778
Okay.
I'll tell you about Flattus.
982
00:43:34,903 --> 00:43:37,322
That's who I was supposed to be
when I joined the band.
983
00:43:37,447 --> 00:43:38,824
So I'm like, "All right!
984
00:43:38,949 --> 00:43:41,243
I'm one of them now!
I'm a monster!"
985
00:43:41,368 --> 00:43:43,995
So I'm after a show,
and I'm looking in the mirror.
986
00:43:44,121 --> 00:43:48,041
And I go, "You look like
a fucking dipshit, man."
987
00:43:48,166 --> 00:43:50,502
I was like,
"I need a mask or something,
988
00:43:50,627 --> 00:43:54,881
"cause my face
is not intimidating at all."
989
00:43:55,006 --> 00:43:58,218
They made me a new costume
with Riddell shoulder pads.
990
00:43:58,343 --> 00:44:00,637
And they fit good,
so I can fuckin'...
991
00:44:02,806 --> 00:44:04,599
Pete is an assassin.
992
00:44:04,724 --> 00:44:07,352
He is such a good guitar player.
993
00:44:12,357 --> 00:44:13,942
Fucking amazing.
994
00:44:22,242 --> 00:44:26,580
We seemed to not be able
to get on MTV at all.
995
00:44:26,705 --> 00:44:28,290
Where do we put
these GWAR videos?
996
00:44:28,415 --> 00:44:29,457
"Headbangers Ball"?
997
00:44:29,583 --> 00:44:30,750
"120 Minutes"?
I don't know.
998
00:44:30,876 --> 00:44:32,294
This doesn't this make
any sense.
999
00:44:32,419 --> 00:44:34,921
It doesn't fit.
1000
00:44:35,046 --> 00:44:37,716
Mike Judge, apparently,
really liked us.
1001
00:44:37,841 --> 00:44:39,801
And he was like, "Okay.
1002
00:44:39,926 --> 00:44:41,636
My characters,
they're these people.
1003
00:44:41,761 --> 00:44:43,263
What would their
favorite band be?"
1004
00:44:43,388 --> 00:44:45,015
"Oh, it would be GWAR."
1005
00:44:45,140 --> 00:44:47,601
Of course Beavis and Butt-Head's
favorite band would be GWAR.
1006
00:44:50,103 --> 00:44:52,898
"Beavis and Butt-Head"
was such an important show.
1007
00:44:53,023 --> 00:44:56,568
And because of the autonomy
that Mike Judge had
1008
00:44:56,693 --> 00:45:01,031
in programming that show,
he was able to go over the heads
1009
00:45:01,156 --> 00:45:03,617
of the people of the music
programming department...
1010
00:45:03,742 --> 00:45:05,952
Look! Look! Butt-Head!
It's GWAR! It's GWAR!
1011
00:45:06,077 --> 00:45:08,455
...and expose them to places
in the country
1012
00:45:08,580 --> 00:45:12,000
where there weren't even
that many radio stations.
1013
00:45:12,125 --> 00:45:13,835
It's like,
you have to watch TV
1014
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,837
for like hour and hours
and hours
1015
00:45:15,962 --> 00:45:17,922
before you see this video,
but, like, when you do,
1016
00:45:18,006 --> 00:45:19,466
- then it's all worth it.
- Yeah.
1017
00:45:19,591 --> 00:45:21,351
We were playing
these little punk rock clubs.
1018
00:45:21,468 --> 00:45:23,345
Now we're playing
this ginormous place
1019
00:45:23,470 --> 00:45:25,138
'cause "Beavis and Butt-Head
loves GWAR,
1020
00:45:25,263 --> 00:45:26,723
so we got to go check 'em out!"
1021
00:45:26,848 --> 00:45:28,892
Everybody was like,
"What is that shit?"
1022
00:45:29,017 --> 00:45:31,519
I got to go see it,"
so our tours were packed out.
1023
00:45:31,645 --> 00:45:33,271
You know, we were on our way.
1024
00:45:33,396 --> 00:45:35,982
There's too much
cool stuff to keep track of.
1025
00:45:36,107 --> 00:45:37,525
Yeah!
1026
00:45:37,651 --> 00:45:38,961
The Beavis and Butt-Head thing
1027
00:45:38,985 --> 00:45:40,654
turned into
the Sega Genesis game,
1028
00:45:40,779 --> 00:45:42,280
which was a really big deal.
1029
00:45:42,405 --> 00:45:44,074
The point of the whole game
1030
00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:46,117
was to go to a GWAR concert.
1031
00:45:46,243 --> 00:45:49,162
I just thought that was the
coolest thing when I was a kid.
1032
00:45:49,287 --> 00:45:51,581
I wrote one of them riffs
on that song,
1033
00:45:51,706 --> 00:45:52,999
and it ended up on the game.
1034
00:45:53,124 --> 00:45:54,584
They put it on.
It was like...
1035
00:45:54,709 --> 00:45:58,713
# Doot, doot, doot,
doot-doot, doot, doot #
1036
00:46:00,257 --> 00:46:02,842
"Hey, that's bad-ass!
Why did I come here?"
1037
00:46:02,968 --> 00:46:04,570
- That was cool.
- Yeah.
1038
00:46:04,594 --> 00:46:06,322
It seemed like
there was another thing
1039
00:46:06,346 --> 00:46:07,472
every other week.
1040
00:46:07,597 --> 00:46:08,991
Now we're gonna do
"Jerry Springer."
1041
00:46:09,015 --> 00:46:10,517
There always is black humor
1042
00:46:10,642 --> 00:46:12,852
in times of change,
in times of revolution.
1043
00:46:12,978 --> 00:46:16,022
It's been all throughout history
and all throughout literature.
1044
00:46:16,147 --> 00:46:17,315
Okay. Hold on.
1045
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,484
Will you please welcome...
1046
00:46:19,609 --> 00:46:20,944
...GWAR!
1047
00:46:22,988 --> 00:46:25,448
We can blow on our thumbs
and grow to 300 feet in the air.
1048
00:46:25,573 --> 00:46:27,367
And hang on the Empire
State Building.
1049
00:46:27,492 --> 00:46:30,495
You probably have already done
that on "Sally Jessy," but...
1050
00:46:34,708 --> 00:46:36,751
We did a skit
in our show "The Idiot Box"
1051
00:46:36,876 --> 00:46:39,170
where you sacrifice
your daughter to GWAR,
1052
00:46:39,296 --> 00:46:41,631
and they come to your house
and take your daughter
1053
00:46:41,756 --> 00:46:43,091
and she ends up on the show
1054
00:46:43,216 --> 00:46:44,856
and gets fed through
a giant meat grinder.
1055
00:46:44,884 --> 00:46:46,164
The whole thing
is super violent.
1056
00:46:46,261 --> 00:46:47,613
There would be people
in the audience
1057
00:46:47,637 --> 00:46:49,139
who were kind of freaked out.
1058
00:46:49,264 --> 00:46:50,765
Even Heather was freaked out.
1059
00:46:50,890 --> 00:46:52,559
Well, she got put into
a meat grinder.
1060
00:46:52,684 --> 00:46:55,061
I know, but it wasn't real.
We weren't really gonna, like...
1061
00:46:55,186 --> 00:46:57,272
- You never know.
- Yeah.
1062
00:46:57,397 --> 00:47:00,442
Remember the name
for your games... Circuit City!
1063
00:47:01,443 --> 00:47:03,611
We were in a movie called
"Mystery Date."
1064
00:47:03,737 --> 00:47:05,923
In the script it was written,
"There's a bar band playing."
1065
00:47:05,947 --> 00:47:08,533
But they said,
"Oh, let's get GWAR for that."
1066
00:47:08,658 --> 00:47:10,493
And so it made for
a much better scene,
1067
00:47:10,618 --> 00:47:12,245
'cause he goes
into this punk rock show,
1068
00:47:12,370 --> 00:47:13,830
and there's blood flying
everywhere.
1069
00:47:13,955 --> 00:47:16,624
And the girl goes,
"Oh, I love this."
1070
00:47:16,750 --> 00:47:18,752
"Empire Records," another one.
1071
00:47:18,877 --> 00:47:20,462
Fire!
1072
00:47:20,587 --> 00:47:25,133
When we did it, the audience had
no idea what was going on.
1073
00:47:25,258 --> 00:47:28,261
Like... I mean, but that's to be
expected at a GWAR show.
1074
00:47:28,386 --> 00:47:29,637
Weird shit happens.
1075
00:47:31,139 --> 00:47:32,515
I was not the first person
1076
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,310
that crawled through that cavity
that week,
1077
00:47:35,435 --> 00:47:38,104
so it wasn't
this sterile environment.
1078
00:47:38,229 --> 00:47:39,439
I do remember that.
1079
00:47:39,564 --> 00:47:40,940
Brockie had some lines.
1080
00:47:41,066 --> 00:47:42,901
He was gonna do them,
but we're at the show.
1081
00:47:43,026 --> 00:47:46,279
So, as Oderus, he probably said
a few curse words,
1082
00:47:46,404 --> 00:47:49,324
so they dubbed some other
voice actor's voice onto it.
1083
00:47:49,449 --> 00:47:52,035
"You love GWAR!
Why don't you join the band?!"
1084
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,870
And they put a big blurry thing,
1085
00:47:53,995 --> 00:47:56,349
'cause he had the cuttlefish on
'cause it was our live show.
1086
00:47:56,373 --> 00:47:58,249
When they shot it,
it was the full dick,
1087
00:47:58,375 --> 00:48:01,586
which, I remember, he used to,
like, masturbate it.
1088
00:48:01,711 --> 00:48:06,633
But on the movie, they, like,
did this prism digitization.
1089
00:48:06,758 --> 00:48:09,844
But it's a cuttlefish.
It's not a dick.
1090
00:48:09,969 --> 00:48:13,473
Do they really look that much
like dicks, cuttlefishes?
1091
00:48:13,598 --> 00:48:15,284
That's how they try to
get away with it.
1092
00:48:15,308 --> 00:48:17,602
That's how they get away
with it.
1093
00:48:17,727 --> 00:48:20,772
So smart.
Because indecency laws.
1094
00:48:20,897 --> 00:48:23,733
To see it turn into
such a cult classic,
1095
00:48:23,858 --> 00:48:25,860
you know, it was awesome.
1096
00:48:25,985 --> 00:48:27,570
The movie's not about GWAR,
1097
00:48:27,695 --> 00:48:29,406
but that was a gateway
1098
00:48:29,531 --> 00:48:31,491
for a ton of people
to find out about, like, us
1099
00:48:31,616 --> 00:48:33,827
and start buying our albums
and coming to see us.
1100
00:48:33,952 --> 00:48:35,870
So all those things
sort of add up
1101
00:48:35,995 --> 00:48:40,375
to this sort of infamous
sort of notoriety we have...
1102
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:41,918
Not famous, but infamous.
1103
00:48:42,043 --> 00:48:44,170
My dad saw
"The Joan Rivers Show."
1104
00:48:44,295 --> 00:48:46,423
- What'd he say?
- "Weird.
1105
00:48:46,548 --> 00:48:48,383
Weird."
1106
00:48:52,804 --> 00:48:54,848
That was GWAR.
That was GWAR.
1107
00:48:54,973 --> 00:48:56,641
And, uh, they were, uh,
1108
00:48:56,766 --> 00:49:00,645
they were a little too strong
for our airwaves here.
1109
00:49:00,770 --> 00:49:03,815
We got off the ground
being a rock-'n'-roll band.
1110
00:49:03,940 --> 00:49:05,942
But we never were
a rock-'n'-roll band.
1111
00:49:06,067 --> 00:49:07,986
We were an art collective.
1112
00:49:08,111 --> 00:49:10,905
Hunter, Don, a lot of the guys,
a lot of the artists
1113
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:12,390
were like,
"We want to make movies.
1114
00:49:12,490 --> 00:49:14,868
We want to make full-on movies."
1115
00:49:14,993 --> 00:49:17,245
Don came, and we were riding
bikes through Richmond,
1116
00:49:17,370 --> 00:49:20,748
and he's like, "We were talking
about this character,
1117
00:49:20,874 --> 00:49:25,879
and I think his name
is gonna be Skulhedface."
1118
00:49:26,004 --> 00:49:27,464
We're riding bikes,
and I'm like,
1119
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:28,941
"What the fuck
are you talking about?
1120
00:49:28,965 --> 00:49:30,091
I don't understand."
1121
00:49:30,216 --> 00:49:32,010
It was typical GWAR fashion.
1122
00:49:32,135 --> 00:49:34,804
There's a cart, and the horse
was somewhere back here.
1123
00:49:34,929 --> 00:49:38,433
Skulhedface!
1124
00:49:38,558 --> 00:49:39,893
We had learned a lot
1125
00:49:40,018 --> 00:49:42,395
when we worked on
"Phallus in Wonderland."
1126
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,482
We took that knowledge
into working on "Skulhedface,"
1127
00:49:45,607 --> 00:49:46,900
and we kind of did it
1128
00:49:47,025 --> 00:49:49,235
without the Hollywood people
there this time.
1129
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,422
We decided to do
something even more ambitious.
1130
00:49:51,446 --> 00:49:52,989
We had twice the budget.
1131
00:49:53,114 --> 00:49:56,201
And so "Skulhedface"
was this really huge production
1132
00:49:56,326 --> 00:49:57,660
by our standards.
1133
00:49:57,785 --> 00:49:59,138
The production levels
shot way up.
1134
00:49:59,162 --> 00:50:01,539
Every inch of the slave pit
was a set.
1135
00:50:01,664 --> 00:50:04,501
We made a full animatronic
Skulhedface,
1136
00:50:04,626 --> 00:50:06,878
everybody's ideas thrown in.
1137
00:50:07,003 --> 00:50:08,546
That's what I love about GWAR.
1138
00:50:08,671 --> 00:50:12,509
Like, the most insane idea...
"Okay. Let's do it."
1139
00:50:12,634 --> 00:50:15,970
And then we do it and spend a
ton of money and time doing it.
1140
00:50:16,095 --> 00:50:24,095
# ...pas #
1141
00:50:24,896 --> 00:50:26,481
# The end of all... #
1142
00:50:26,606 --> 00:50:29,067
Really a lot of people's hearts,
and, like, months...
1143
00:50:29,192 --> 00:50:33,530
I mean, I lived in my outfit
for weeks in that summer.
1144
00:50:33,655 --> 00:50:35,114
We wanted to have
all our commercials
1145
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:37,825
so we could have
the really fun side projects.
1146
00:50:39,661 --> 00:50:41,496
# Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh #
1147
00:50:41,621 --> 00:50:44,874
There'll be GWAR action figures,
stuffed dolls, pajamas,
1148
00:50:44,999 --> 00:50:47,835
videotapes, lunch boxes,
vitamins, towels, bedspreads,
1149
00:50:47,961 --> 00:50:49,587
and coloring books.
1150
00:50:49,712 --> 00:50:51,673
Blow me, fat boy.
1151
00:50:51,798 --> 00:50:52,840
"Yeah!
Let's do that.
1152
00:50:52,966 --> 00:50:54,509
Let's film a 35-millimeter thing
1153
00:50:54,634 --> 00:50:57,720
about alien butt-head queens
who produce juice
1154
00:50:57,845 --> 00:51:00,223
out of their foreheads
that powers the world.
1155
00:51:00,348 --> 00:51:01,628
And a corporation
wants to buy it
1156
00:51:01,724 --> 00:51:03,726
and suck all the coolness out."
1157
00:51:03,851 --> 00:51:05,645
I mean, it's just ridiculous,
you know?
1158
00:51:05,770 --> 00:51:07,146
It's so insane.
1159
00:51:07,272 --> 00:51:09,148
I think it's, like,
our high-water mark
1160
00:51:09,274 --> 00:51:11,985
because it's so weird
and hard to digest, you know?
1161
00:51:12,110 --> 00:51:13,528
That's why I like it so much.
1162
00:51:18,783 --> 00:51:21,119
That was fun.
1163
00:51:21,244 --> 00:51:22,328
Let's eat.
1164
00:51:24,372 --> 00:51:25,957
Unfortunately,
there was that thing.
1165
00:51:26,082 --> 00:51:27,500
"Who's the director?
1166
00:51:27,625 --> 00:51:29,043
Is it Melanie
or is it Hunter
1167
00:51:29,168 --> 00:51:30,920
or is it Dave?"
1168
00:51:31,045 --> 00:51:34,132
I'm still proud of it,
but if you watch that movie,
1169
00:51:34,257 --> 00:51:37,969
and you can explain the plot
to me, uh, cool, you know?
1170
00:51:40,054 --> 00:51:43,433
We filmed "Skulhedface"
in 35 millimeter
1171
00:51:43,558 --> 00:51:45,893
with the intention of it having
a theatrical,
1172
00:51:46,019 --> 00:51:48,396
midnight-movie cult release.
1173
00:51:48,521 --> 00:51:50,398
None of that happened.
1174
00:51:51,983 --> 00:51:54,068
After, we were like,
"Oh, we're going up."
1175
00:51:54,193 --> 00:51:56,821
Grammy nomination for this one
that we sort of threw together.
1176
00:51:56,946 --> 00:51:58,740
Now we're putting
all this effort into it.
1177
00:51:58,865 --> 00:52:02,744
And then it's just, like, enh.
Forgotten, cut-out bin.
1178
00:52:02,869 --> 00:52:06,289
I know I saw it physically
with Chuck and Don,
1179
00:52:06,414 --> 00:52:09,083
you know, how the disappointment
really soured them.
1180
00:52:09,208 --> 00:52:10,418
We were like, "Okay.
1181
00:52:10,543 --> 00:52:12,587
We got a Grammy
for this last movie.
1182
00:52:12,712 --> 00:52:15,506
'Skulhedface, ' we're gonna start
making movies and comics,
1183
00:52:15,632 --> 00:52:17,800
and we're gonna be
a punk rock Disney."
1184
00:52:17,925 --> 00:52:22,096
But it's also where it...
it all fell apart, to a degree.
1185
00:52:27,852 --> 00:52:31,230
We were mixing..."Toilet Earth."
1186
00:52:37,779 --> 00:52:39,489
We were mixing the album,
1187
00:52:39,614 --> 00:52:43,868
and we had to drive back
to Richmond for a photo shoot.
1188
00:52:43,993 --> 00:52:45,453
We were in a station wagon,
1189
00:52:45,578 --> 00:52:47,622
and Pete was sitting
in the back.
1190
00:52:47,747 --> 00:52:49,749
We had to take a piss,
so we pulled off.
1191
00:52:49,874 --> 00:52:53,586
And right as we did,
this car next to us turned,
1192
00:52:53,711 --> 00:52:55,546
very deliberately,
in front of us, right?
1193
00:52:55,672 --> 00:52:58,925
So we clipped... like,
just barely hit... his back end.
1194
00:52:59,050 --> 00:53:01,552
Right away, I'm like,
"Drive off. Drive off.
1195
00:53:01,678 --> 00:53:03,638
They're gonna rob us."
It was so obvious.
1196
00:53:03,763 --> 00:53:06,724
The guys in the car that hit us
immediately hop out
1197
00:53:06,849 --> 00:53:08,559
and pull out a gun.
1198
00:53:08,685 --> 00:53:11,938
"Oh, shit." So he floors it,
and we just take off.
1199
00:53:12,063 --> 00:53:13,606
And they start shooting at us.
1200
00:53:13,731 --> 00:53:15,501
It was like an automatic,
semiautomatic handgun.
1201
00:53:15,525 --> 00:53:16,877
It was like, "Tak, tak, tak,
tak, tak."
1202
00:53:16,901 --> 00:53:18,319
One, two, three, four, five,
1203
00:53:18,444 --> 00:53:21,447
and, poof, came through,
hit me in the chest.
1204
00:53:22,115 --> 00:53:23,908
Everything went slow motion.
1205
00:53:24,033 --> 00:53:26,536
I'm like, "Wow. I've been shot.
Never thought I'd be shot.
1206
00:53:26,661 --> 00:53:28,162
Wow!
I've been shot!"
1207
00:53:28,287 --> 00:53:30,415
Pete goes, "I'm shot.
I'm shot."
1208
00:53:30,540 --> 00:53:33,376
Straz puts his hand
on Pete's chest,
1209
00:53:33,501 --> 00:53:36,337
and he pulls it back, and you
could see his hand was all red.
1210
00:53:36,462 --> 00:53:37,922
And he starts freaking out.
1211
00:53:38,047 --> 00:53:41,426
And when he did,
he kicked the driver.
1212
00:53:41,551 --> 00:53:46,472
So the driver of the car
goes into the median strip
1213
00:53:46,597 --> 00:53:48,474
and flattens two tires.
1214
00:53:48,599 --> 00:53:51,477
Blows out the tire
probably about five blocks away
1215
00:53:51,602 --> 00:53:53,646
from where the guys
just shot at us.
1216
00:53:53,771 --> 00:53:55,606
We open the back
of the station wagon.
1217
00:53:55,732 --> 00:53:57,275
Pete is laying on that,
1218
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,236
and he's sucking wind
because his lung is punctured.
1219
00:54:00,361 --> 00:54:02,822
So, he's going like...
Right?
1220
00:54:02,947 --> 00:54:06,159
And we're watching him die.
That's what we think.
1221
00:54:06,284 --> 00:54:11,164
I jump into the back with Pete,
and, like, the tailgate's open,
1222
00:54:11,289 --> 00:54:13,449
and he's just sitting in
the back of the station wagon.
1223
00:54:13,541 --> 00:54:17,044
And here comes this car
flying around the corner,
1224
00:54:17,170 --> 00:54:18,296
hauling ass up to us.
1225
00:54:18,421 --> 00:54:21,048
Everyone just bolts
into the ghetto.
1226
00:54:21,174 --> 00:54:23,718
But Derks stayed there with me.
1227
00:54:23,843 --> 00:54:26,554
All these guys with guns
jump out of the car,
1228
00:54:26,679 --> 00:54:28,181
fucking point them at me
and Pete.
1229
00:54:28,306 --> 00:54:30,725
They put guns in the air
and they go, "Freeze!"
1230
00:54:30,850 --> 00:54:31,893
"Freeze!�
1231
00:54:32,018 --> 00:54:33,978
I immediately soiled my pants.
1232
00:54:34,103 --> 00:54:36,647
'Cause I had to pee.
Remember? I had to pee.
1233
00:54:36,773 --> 00:54:38,399
I was holding it
after they shot me.
1234
00:54:38,524 --> 00:54:39,734
That's pretty good.
1235
00:54:39,859 --> 00:54:41,211
They shoot me,
and I'm still holding it.
1236
00:54:41,235 --> 00:54:43,029
It seemed like an hour went by,
1237
00:54:43,154 --> 00:54:44,947
and he finally goes,
"Gang patrol!"
1238
00:54:45,072 --> 00:54:46,866
I'm like, "Damn.
Thank God."
1239
00:54:46,991 --> 00:54:48,218
"Cause I thought
he was gonna shoot me
1240
00:54:48,242 --> 00:54:49,911
right in the fuckin' face.
1241
00:54:50,036 --> 00:54:54,499
They were just, like, these
plainclothes gangster, like...
1242
00:54:54,624 --> 00:54:56,459
I guess they infiltrated gangs
and stuff.
1243
00:54:56,584 --> 00:54:59,796
But they looked, you know,
like fucking gangsters.
1244
00:54:59,921 --> 00:55:01,672
I didn't
experience them as police.
1245
00:55:01,798 --> 00:55:04,300
Like, they got out,
and I just started running.
1246
00:55:04,425 --> 00:55:07,470
And they pull us all back,
and Derks is still there.
1247
00:55:07,595 --> 00:55:09,263
Derks never ran.
1248
00:55:09,388 --> 00:55:12,266
He stayed there with Pete,
thinking that he was gonna die.
1249
00:55:12,391 --> 00:55:15,019
Like, you know, he just...
He just stayed there.
1250
00:55:15,144 --> 00:55:17,772
That's the kind of guy he is.
1251
00:55:17,897 --> 00:55:19,398
Yeah.
He's not very smart, is he?
1252
00:55:21,567 --> 00:55:23,319
No.
I love Derks to death, man.
1253
00:55:23,444 --> 00:55:25,446
We have a bond, man.
1254
00:55:25,571 --> 00:55:27,573
"Cause I would've been running
like a motherfucker.
1255
00:55:27,698 --> 00:55:29,116
I'm kidding.
1256
00:55:29,242 --> 00:55:31,869
I relayed
all the information to the cop.
1257
00:55:31,994 --> 00:55:33,663
And he's looking at Derks,
and he's like,
1258
00:55:33,788 --> 00:55:37,124
"I'm worried about that guy.
He looks like he's in shock."
1259
00:55:37,792 --> 00:55:39,001
Yeah.
1260
00:55:39,126 --> 00:55:41,712
I kind of...
blank out after that.
1261
00:55:41,838 --> 00:55:44,090
I don't remember
getting to the hospital.
1262
00:55:44,215 --> 00:55:46,384
We were on the way
to do a photo shoot,
1263
00:55:46,509 --> 00:55:49,679
and I didn't make it, and they
still had to do the shoot.
1264
00:55:49,804 --> 00:55:51,889
What I remember about this...
1265
00:55:52,014 --> 00:55:53,933
"We've already rented
the cameras.
1266
00:55:54,058 --> 00:55:56,102
We've already got the lights.
1267
00:55:56,227 --> 00:55:59,522
It's all set up.
We have to film this tomorrow.
1268
00:56:00,523 --> 00:56:03,442
We're coming to get you
in this van"...
1269
00:56:03,568 --> 00:56:04,568
You know, me and Derks.
1270
00:56:04,610 --> 00:56:06,028
And Derks, at this point,
1271
00:56:06,153 --> 00:56:09,490
like, I am more worried
about him than I am Pete,
1272
00:56:09,615 --> 00:56:12,410
because he's rattled, man.
1273
00:56:12,535 --> 00:56:16,664
Like, he's not talking at all,
and his eyes don't look right.
1274
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:20,459
And... they put us in the back
of this van.
1275
00:56:20,585 --> 00:56:22,896
They come up to get us in a van
that doesn't have seats in it.
1276
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,256
It was just a back, right?
1277
00:56:25,381 --> 00:56:28,384
And so every time the van,
it would bounce,
1278
00:56:28,509 --> 00:56:32,972
we would scream out,
'cause we were so raw.
1279
00:56:33,639 --> 00:56:38,936
And I resented that more than
I can describe to you right now.
1280
00:56:39,645 --> 00:56:42,523
That slave attitude
that I talked about earlier,
1281
00:56:42,648 --> 00:56:44,025
the dark side of that
1282
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:46,444
is that the individual
didn't matter at all.
1283
00:56:46,569 --> 00:56:48,863
Not at all.
That's what it felt like to me.
1284
00:56:48,988 --> 00:56:51,407
I felt traumatized by that.
1285
00:56:51,532 --> 00:56:53,868
And I didn't understand why
1286
00:56:53,993 --> 00:56:56,871
or how they could let it get
to that point.
1287
00:56:56,996 --> 00:56:59,874
And so that's really why I left.
1288
00:57:03,336 --> 00:57:08,841
So Pete had to have a big
section of his colon taken out.
1289
00:57:08,966 --> 00:57:11,260
Lived with a colostomy bag
for years,
1290
00:57:11,385 --> 00:57:14,722
is still having health issues
related to it.
1291
00:57:14,847 --> 00:57:16,057
What you gonna do?
1292
00:57:16,182 --> 00:57:19,602
You know, welcome to America,
right?
1293
00:57:19,727 --> 00:57:21,938
But, um...
1294
00:57:22,063 --> 00:57:25,024
don't ride in a hatchback
if you're gonna get shot at.
1295
00:57:25,149 --> 00:57:27,944
But as soon as he could,
he was back onstage,
1296
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:29,946
rocking out
with a colostomy bag.
1297
00:57:36,077 --> 00:57:37,244
Did you have a cesarean?
1298
00:57:37,370 --> 00:57:39,205
Oh, that's where the ringworm
went in.
1299
00:57:39,330 --> 00:57:41,958
Right there.
Big... Big ringworm.
1300
00:57:42,083 --> 00:57:43,209
Texas ringworm.
1301
00:57:46,754 --> 00:57:49,215
Yeah, when GWAR
was looking for a bass player,
1302
00:57:49,340 --> 00:57:52,134
I knew the perfect guy for GWAR,
and it was Casey.
1303
00:57:52,259 --> 00:57:54,220
Of course, Casey,
coming from Rigor Mortis,
1304
00:57:54,345 --> 00:57:57,765
that's, like,
legitimate metal player.
1305
00:57:58,808 --> 00:58:01,477
I was 100% on board,
and then he told me
1306
00:58:01,602 --> 00:58:03,771
I'd have to pay for my own
flight up to Richmond.
1307
00:58:03,896 --> 00:58:08,985
And I was broke as a joke, so...
I-I guess I can't.
1308
00:58:09,110 --> 00:58:11,487
I was like, "Really?"
1309
00:58:11,612 --> 00:58:13,906
Luckily, he called me
the next day
1310
00:58:14,031 --> 00:58:15,741
and said he had talked them
into it
1311
00:58:15,866 --> 00:58:17,827
and they were gonna pay
for my flight up there.
1312
00:58:17,952 --> 00:58:21,205
That was it. I just had to learn
some songs, and I had them.
1313
00:58:21,330 --> 00:58:24,208
It doesn't take much.
1314
00:58:24,333 --> 00:58:26,669
You can put on a hat and feel
like a cowboy, you know?
1315
00:58:26,794 --> 00:58:28,129
Put on a Beefcake costume,
1316
00:58:28,254 --> 00:58:31,424
and I turned into that version
of Beefcake.
1317
00:58:31,549 --> 00:58:34,051
Man, it was like joining
a fraternity, joining a family.
1318
00:58:34,176 --> 00:58:36,846
You know, it really was.
1319
00:58:36,971 --> 00:58:41,350
Beefcake the Mighty number 2,
4,6, 8 and 10.
1320
00:58:48,566 --> 00:58:50,067
We were on Metal Blade.
1321
00:58:50,192 --> 00:58:53,237
And Metal Blade was getting
picked up by Warner Bros.
1322
00:58:53,362 --> 00:58:54,756
Which would be huge for GWAR,
right?
1323
00:58:54,780 --> 00:58:55,948
Like, the next step.
1324
00:58:56,073 --> 00:58:57,426
We would get into
more record stores.
1325
00:58:57,450 --> 00:58:59,368
We'd have a bigger push
marketingwise
1326
00:58:59,493 --> 00:59:01,328
behind the record,
all of this stuff.
1327
00:59:01,454 --> 00:59:03,664
At that time, Warner had just
been bought by Time Inc.,
1328
00:59:03,789 --> 00:59:06,167
which is this huge
multinational corporation.
1329
00:59:06,292 --> 00:59:09,503
So, of course, the first record
we put out is a GWAR record
1330
00:59:09,628 --> 00:59:12,506
with a song called "BDF"...
"Baby Dick Fuck"... on it.
1331
00:59:12,631 --> 00:59:14,508
# Baby! Dick! Fuck! #
1332
00:59:14,633 --> 00:59:17,136
They were like, "Yeah.
We're not putting that out."�
1333
00:59:17,261 --> 00:59:19,055
It was so filthy that...
1334
00:59:19,180 --> 00:59:20,598
I mean,
I thought I'd heard it all.
1335
00:59:20,723 --> 00:59:24,185
But, you know, Brockie,
wordsmith that he is,
1336
00:59:24,310 --> 00:59:25,686
managed to find a way.
1337
00:59:25,811 --> 00:59:26,979
"If you get rid of that song,
1338
00:59:27,104 --> 00:59:29,607
we'll take you
to the next level."
1339
00:59:29,732 --> 00:59:31,859
So, like, from here to here,
I guess.
1340
00:59:31,984 --> 00:59:33,694
And it meant more money.
1341
00:59:33,819 --> 00:59:35,738
We had a meeting about it.
1342
00:59:35,863 --> 00:59:38,991
A bunch of artists and musicians
trying to come to one decision.
1343
00:59:39,116 --> 00:59:41,035
I was like,
"I'm staying out of this shit.
1344
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,829
I'm the new guy."
It's like...
1345
00:59:43,954 --> 00:59:47,708
Brockie made a speech that would
have made Marc Antony blush,
1346
00:59:47,833 --> 00:59:50,419
saying we'll never fall back
on our art.
1347
00:59:50,544 --> 00:59:52,630
And so Warner Bros. Dropped us.
1348
00:59:52,755 --> 00:59:54,548
So we found out the hard way
1349
00:59:54,673 --> 00:59:57,176
that you really cannot get away
with everything.
1350
00:59:59,637 --> 01:00:03,307
Metal Blade backed us on it,
so they kind of missed out
1351
01:00:03,432 --> 01:00:06,268
on getting their major
Warner Bros. Distribution
1352
01:00:06,393 --> 01:00:08,395
because of us.
1353
01:00:08,521 --> 01:00:11,440
I'm a stern believer
in you sign an artist
1354
01:00:11,565 --> 01:00:13,943
and they have a vision and they
have what they want to say
1355
01:00:14,068 --> 01:00:15,736
and do and they should do that.
1356
01:00:15,861 --> 01:00:18,447
I'm the last person to censor
what they should do or say.
1357
01:00:18,572 --> 01:00:20,574
To that fact, I mean,
we gave up a record deal
1358
01:00:20,699 --> 01:00:22,326
with Warner Bros. Records
1359
01:00:22,451 --> 01:00:24,620
just because we couldn't put out
a GWAR record.
1360
01:00:24,745 --> 01:00:27,706
We shipped 70,000 albums.
1361
01:00:27,832 --> 01:00:31,877
We charted at 168,
and we were so ecstatic.
1362
01:00:32,002 --> 01:00:35,965
And then, all of a sudden,
40,000 records get shipped back.
1363
01:00:36,090 --> 01:00:38,926
They had some pretty poppy songs
that could have been...
1364
01:00:39,051 --> 01:00:41,595
Not radio hits but could have
been, you know, something.
1365
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,140
But Dave would always put in
crazy lyrics in there
1366
01:00:44,265 --> 01:00:45,432
that would prohibit them
1367
01:00:45,558 --> 01:00:47,038
from getting ever played
on the radio.
1368
01:00:47,101 --> 01:00:48,686
# Fish fuck, baby #
1369
01:00:48,811 --> 01:00:50,771
# I'm gonna fuck you
with a fish #
1370
01:00:50,896 --> 01:00:53,065
One day I was talking to Dave,
and he's like, "Yeah.
1371
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:55,070
You know, maybe I shouldn't have
messed that up.
1372
01:00:55,151 --> 01:00:56,735
Maybe we should have written
a pop song.
1373
01:00:56,861 --> 01:00:59,446
Maybe I should have not put in
five 'fucks'
1374
01:00:59,572 --> 01:01:01,157
and whatever else was in there."
1375
01:01:01,282 --> 01:01:02,825
"Well, there you go.
1376
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:04,618
You probably should have
done that."
1377
01:01:04,743 --> 01:01:08,205
The thing is, we never really
had the chance to sell out.
1378
01:01:08,330 --> 01:01:11,041
We never had,
"If you just do this,
1379
01:01:11,167 --> 01:01:13,043
you'll get this pot of gold."
1380
01:01:13,169 --> 01:01:15,462
Because if that happened,
you know what?
1381
01:01:15,588 --> 01:01:17,798
We probably would.
1382
01:01:19,592 --> 01:01:22,678
As long as it's a decent-size
pot of gold.
1383
01:01:31,103 --> 01:01:35,274
How many people out there have
heard of Slave Pit Incorporated?
1384
01:01:36,692 --> 01:01:39,153
Slave Pit is sponsoring
a special section
1385
01:01:39,278 --> 01:01:41,739
of the T-shirt tonight,
featuring...
1386
01:01:41,864 --> 01:01:44,241
featuring cool comics
1387
01:01:44,366 --> 01:01:46,994
written and drawn by the guys
in GWAR.
1388
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:50,831
My goals were very different
from Dave Brockie's goals.
1389
01:01:50,956 --> 01:01:53,542
I wanted to publish comic books
and make movies.
1390
01:01:53,667 --> 01:01:56,295
Dave wanted to be
a super rock star.
1391
01:01:56,420 --> 01:01:58,297
Dave wanted to make movies
and comics as well,
1392
01:01:58,422 --> 01:02:00,507
but he just wanted it to be
about him.
1393
01:02:00,633 --> 01:02:04,011
And that was where
our divergence and clashes
1394
01:02:04,136 --> 01:02:06,096
all emanated, basically.
1395
01:02:06,222 --> 01:02:09,934
There was always tension between
all the hierarchy people.
1396
01:02:10,059 --> 01:02:12,561
It was a little bit destructive,
1397
01:02:12,686 --> 01:02:16,398
because there wasn't cohesion
with those people
1398
01:02:16,523 --> 01:02:18,776
because everybody was vying
for their own position,
1399
01:02:18,901 --> 01:02:21,654
trying to fight to have
their spot in the band
1400
01:02:21,779 --> 01:02:24,156
and the gladiatorial competition
1401
01:02:24,281 --> 01:02:26,533
to have the stronger idea
survive.
1402
01:02:26,659 --> 01:02:29,912
I mean, Hunter and Dave
having to constantly battle
1403
01:02:30,037 --> 01:02:33,040
with each other
and have this tension.
1404
01:02:33,165 --> 01:02:35,542
To me, being in GWAR
1405
01:02:35,668 --> 01:02:39,838
was like being on the world's
greatest basketball team,
1406
01:02:39,964 --> 01:02:42,466
but you never make it
to the playoffs
1407
01:02:42,591 --> 01:02:45,886
because your own teammates
are always stealing the ball
1408
01:02:46,011 --> 01:02:47,846
just as you're about to score.
1409
01:02:47,972 --> 01:02:50,724
And I felt like I had to dance
with the devil
1410
01:02:50,849 --> 01:02:54,019
in order to get a lot of things
accomplished.
1411
01:02:54,144 --> 01:02:57,439
Me and Hunter had static
multiple times from things,
1412
01:02:57,564 --> 01:03:00,401
where I thought
I'm helping Hunter
1413
01:03:00,526 --> 01:03:04,530
and then he took it as a slight
towards him.
1414
01:03:04,655 --> 01:03:07,741
You know, instead of it looking
like master and apprentice,
1415
01:03:07,866 --> 01:03:10,202
he looked at it as competition.
1416
01:03:10,327 --> 01:03:12,871
Hunter is sort of a genius.
1417
01:03:12,997 --> 01:03:15,582
Like, I'm a big fan of his art
and his concepts.
1418
01:03:15,708 --> 01:03:18,460
But he doesn't play well
with others, you know?
1419
01:03:18,585 --> 01:03:21,880
He thinks that if anyone takes
one of his ideas
1420
01:03:22,006 --> 01:03:23,299
and changes it...
1421
01:03:23,424 --> 01:03:25,175
Which is the nature
of collaboration...
1422
01:03:25,301 --> 01:03:29,847
That it's someone...
doing something to you.
1423
01:03:29,972 --> 01:03:32,433
Listen to the songs
that Hunter Jackson sings.
1424
01:03:32,558 --> 01:03:34,768
Listen to what he's saying
in those songs.
1425
01:03:34,893 --> 01:03:39,064
They're all like, you know...
"You fucked up.
1426
01:03:39,189 --> 01:03:40,899
You ruined everything,"
1427
01:03:41,025 --> 01:03:43,652
like, "You took this away
from me."
1428
01:03:43,777 --> 01:03:47,197
It's like, all of that stuff
was there onstage.
1429
01:03:47,323 --> 01:03:52,536
# How dare you try to make
a slave of me #
1430
01:03:52,661 --> 01:03:54,580
And everybody knew it.
Hunter knew it, you know?
1431
01:03:54,705 --> 01:03:56,457
So it was always like...
1432
01:03:56,582 --> 01:04:00,627
real but also at the distance
that art allowed.
1433
01:04:00,753 --> 01:04:04,882
# GWAR will die #
1434
01:04:07,009 --> 01:04:09,928
Me and Bobby,
you know, we were slaves.
1435
01:04:10,054 --> 01:04:11,948
That's how we were identified
for the longest time.
1436
01:04:11,972 --> 01:04:14,224
It was like, "Oh, isn't it nice
that they let you
1437
01:04:14,350 --> 01:04:16,810
come out on tour with them,"
and blah-blah-blah-blah-blah.
1438
01:04:16,935 --> 01:04:18,812
We were the guys
that were sort of,
1439
01:04:18,937 --> 01:04:20,606
"Oh, don't listen
to that punk kid.
1440
01:04:20,731 --> 01:04:22,483
He doesn't know
what he's talking about."�
1441
01:04:22,608 --> 01:04:24,693
And at a certain point,
I didn't.
1442
01:04:24,818 --> 01:04:27,363
But you're giving up
so much of your life
1443
01:04:27,488 --> 01:04:28,989
and you're struggling so hard
1444
01:04:29,114 --> 01:04:31,325
to be part of this thing
that's so great,
1445
01:04:31,450 --> 01:04:33,660
and you're just slaves.
1446
01:04:33,786 --> 01:04:35,621
Don't get so close.
Do that over again.
1447
01:04:35,746 --> 01:04:37,414
Don't get so close
to the camera.
1448
01:04:37,539 --> 01:04:39,392
I was looking
to a lot of these older guys
1449
01:04:39,416 --> 01:04:41,210
for tutelage
in what was happening.
1450
01:04:41,335 --> 01:04:42,920
You know, come to find later on
1451
01:04:43,045 --> 01:04:45,065
they didn't know what the hell
they were doing either.
1452
01:04:52,262 --> 01:04:53,806
GWAR was at this stage
1453
01:04:53,931 --> 01:04:55,891
where we just did
whatever we wanted.
1454
01:04:56,016 --> 01:04:58,216
So if we wanted to play stuff
that wasn't thrash or punk
1455
01:04:58,268 --> 01:05:00,479
or stuff that wasn't metal,
we did it.
1456
01:05:00,604 --> 01:05:03,023
# Now they know
they can't control us #
1457
01:05:03,148 --> 01:05:05,567
# I'm Sleazy, and I think
you ought to know this #
1458
01:05:05,692 --> 01:05:07,486
# Everybody rip
everybody else off #
1459
01:05:07,611 --> 01:05:09,988
# Everybody rip,
rip everybody off #
1460
01:05:10,114 --> 01:05:12,175
It's not like today,
where the fans could tell you
1461
01:05:12,199 --> 01:05:13,659
immediately what they think
of it.
1462
01:05:13,784 --> 01:05:15,304
We were just sort of like,
"We're GWAR.
1463
01:05:15,411 --> 01:05:17,305
We're gonna write whatever kind
of music we want,"
1464
01:05:17,329 --> 01:05:18,539
and we did it.
1465
01:05:18,664 --> 01:05:20,207
Come on, ladies.
Sing it with me.
1466
01:05:20,332 --> 01:05:23,001
# Don't need a lover #
1467
01:05:23,127 --> 01:05:25,504
# Don't need a man #
1468
01:05:25,629 --> 01:05:27,023
We thought the band should be
1469
01:05:27,047 --> 01:05:28,127
much larger than they were.
1470
01:05:28,215 --> 01:05:29,425
They had Grammy nominations.
1471
01:05:29,550 --> 01:05:30,950
They were doing huge
headline tours.
1472
01:05:31,051 --> 01:05:32,636
They were doing
all this amazing art.
1473
01:05:32,761 --> 01:05:35,514
But we didn't have the sales
1474
01:05:35,639 --> 01:05:38,016
that we all felt that the band
should have.
1475
01:05:38,142 --> 01:05:41,353
Long-form video had been
a big form of income for us,
1476
01:05:41,478 --> 01:05:44,648
because we would get
like $100,000 budgets,
1477
01:05:44,773 --> 01:05:46,316
and that would pay
people's salaries
1478
01:05:46,442 --> 01:05:49,987
and pay for us to come up with
a new plan and new idea.
1479
01:05:50,112 --> 01:05:52,364
And all that money
was sort of drying up.
1480
01:05:52,489 --> 01:05:54,175
And we were touring a lot,
and touring and touring
1481
01:05:54,199 --> 01:05:56,743
and touring and touring,
and it was just relentless.
1482
01:05:56,869 --> 01:05:59,872
MAN... and suggest
that the three of you
1483
01:05:59,997 --> 01:06:03,709
could be joined by a friend
of yours for an additional $100.
1484
01:06:03,834 --> 01:06:06,837
You know, I fucking did
a lot of partying on the road.
1485
01:06:06,962 --> 01:06:11,508
I toured a long time
with being shot, you know?
1486
01:06:11,633 --> 01:06:13,510
I mean,
I toured with a colostomy bag.
1487
01:06:13,635 --> 01:06:15,846
That's not
the healthiest lifestyle
1488
01:06:15,971 --> 01:06:19,141
if you're not good friends
with Will Power.
1489
01:06:19,266 --> 01:06:21,143
And I wasn't.
1490
01:06:21,268 --> 01:06:22,561
As I remember it,
1491
01:06:22,686 --> 01:06:25,355
a point came
where we just all felt like,
1492
01:06:25,481 --> 01:06:29,651
if he doesn't go home
and take care of himself,
1493
01:06:29,776 --> 01:06:31,320
he's going to die.
1494
01:06:31,445 --> 01:06:32,613
He's going to die.
1495
01:06:32,738 --> 01:06:34,323
He was in a bad place anyway,
1496
01:06:34,448 --> 01:06:37,451
so I think
when GWAR approached him
1497
01:06:37,576 --> 01:06:43,040
to sit out the tour cycle
and get healthy and come back,
1498
01:06:43,165 --> 01:06:46,084
he heard,
"Get out and fuck off."
1499
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:49,171
I definitely needed a break.
1500
01:06:49,296 --> 01:06:51,590
And they gave me one
by firing me.
1501
01:06:57,095 --> 01:06:59,264
# I need your happiness #
1502
01:06:59,389 --> 01:07:00,867
I called my brother,
and he's like,
1503
01:07:00,891 --> 01:07:04,728
"Dude, Dave Brockie
left a message?"
1504
01:07:04,853 --> 01:07:08,023
He was like,
"It's Oderus Urungus from GWAR."
1505
01:07:08,148 --> 01:07:10,609
He goes,
"It sounds like fucking Oderus
1506
01:07:10,734 --> 01:07:13,862
is yelling at me
on my answering machine."
1507
01:07:13,987 --> 01:07:16,573
I want my fucking
cuttlefish back!
1508
01:07:16,698 --> 01:07:19,076
And so then I'm getting
an audition with GWAR.
1509
01:07:19,201 --> 01:07:20,744
Cut to just a few weeks later,
1510
01:07:20,869 --> 01:07:24,873
and I'm walking out
in this Flattus Maximus costume
1511
01:07:24,998 --> 01:07:27,960
with the shoulder pads
and the dumb flipper feet.
1512
01:07:28,085 --> 01:07:29,211
Yeah.
1513
01:07:29,336 --> 01:07:30,688
And looking in the mirror
at myself,
1514
01:07:30,712 --> 01:07:33,131
like,
"What the fuck am I doing?"
1515
01:07:33,257 --> 01:07:35,551
# Nitro-burnin' funny bong #
1516
01:07:35,676 --> 01:07:39,179
# Nitro-burnin' funny bong,
Nitro-burnin'... #
1517
01:07:39,304 --> 01:07:40,657
And so it felt like a superhero.
1518
01:07:40,681 --> 01:07:41,681
It felt awesome.
1519
01:07:45,143 --> 01:07:47,604
You said that we Kill
everything.
1520
01:07:47,729 --> 01:07:51,024
Which just happens to be
the name of GWAR's new album,
1521
01:07:51,149 --> 01:07:53,610
available on
Metal Blade Records!
1522
01:07:54,987 --> 01:07:56,989
# Fuckin' an animal #
1523
01:07:58,782 --> 01:07:59,783
# Fuckin' an animal #
1524
01:07:59,908 --> 01:08:02,077
I've always, as a fan of music,
1525
01:08:02,202 --> 01:08:04,246
gotten kind of critical of bands
that I like
1526
01:08:04,371 --> 01:08:06,039
when they get kind of silly.
1527
01:08:06,164 --> 01:08:09,418
And then I'm the one singing
as a giant talking toilet
1528
01:08:09,543 --> 01:08:11,336
on that one album.
1529
01:08:11,461 --> 01:08:14,256
That's the one, jackass.
1530
01:08:16,300 --> 01:08:18,552
We got to an H R. Pufnstuf
stage,
1531
01:08:18,677 --> 01:08:20,429
where our bodyguard
has a big penis
1532
01:08:20,554 --> 01:08:23,515
with A big ball sac,
Popeye chin.
1533
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,476
It got really silly
and not metal,
1534
01:08:26,602 --> 01:08:29,688
and I understand why albums
weren't selling as well
1535
01:08:29,813 --> 01:08:32,566
and Metal Blade
wasn't as interested in us.
1536
01:08:32,691 --> 01:08:34,818
The show wasn't working.
It was confusing.
1537
01:08:34,943 --> 01:08:38,947
People were like,
"What in the fuck is happening?"
1538
01:08:39,072 --> 01:08:40,407
The thing about it is,
1539
01:08:40,532 --> 01:08:43,577
Brockie is also
the most gregarious,
1540
01:08:43,702 --> 01:08:46,330
hysterical human being
I ever met in my life.
1541
01:08:46,455 --> 01:08:51,335
I remember we played Europe,
and I walked into the airport,
1542
01:08:51,460 --> 01:08:56,131
and Dave has a leather jacket,
leather pants, motorcycle boots,
1543
01:08:56,256 --> 01:08:58,467
and wrap-around,
like, Oakley sunglasses.
1544
01:08:58,592 --> 01:09:00,385
And he's the Terminator.
1545
01:09:01,219 --> 01:09:03,680
And I just go up to him,
and I'm like, "Ha. Terminator."
1546
01:09:03,805 --> 01:09:06,266
And he's just standing
in the middle of the airport.
1547
01:09:06,391 --> 01:09:07,493
I go, "Dave,
what are you doing?"
1548
01:09:07,517 --> 01:09:09,061
He goes, "There is no Dave."
1549
01:09:09,186 --> 01:09:12,147
And so he's actually
impersonating the Terminator.
1550
01:09:12,272 --> 01:09:13,940
And I'm like, "Kick-ass."
1551
01:09:14,066 --> 01:09:15,442
'Cause with Dave, you never knew
1552
01:09:15,567 --> 01:09:18,070
how long you were in
on this ride.
1553
01:09:18,195 --> 01:09:20,989
Turns out... a few months.
1554
01:09:21,114 --> 01:09:22,783
He didn't break character.
1555
01:09:22,908 --> 01:09:26,536
He was the Terminator
for the entire tour.
1556
01:09:26,662 --> 01:09:28,413
And at one point,
1557
01:09:28,538 --> 01:09:32,417
we were walking in the streets
in New Orleans, broad daylight,
1558
01:09:32,542 --> 01:09:35,587
and we could hear somebody
running behind us,
1559
01:09:35,712 --> 01:09:37,130
and it was Brockie,
1560
01:09:37,255 --> 01:09:39,925
totally Donald Ducking,
but Terminator-style.
1561
01:09:40,050 --> 01:09:43,136
So he had a leather jacket with
no pants and combat boots...
1562
01:09:43,261 --> 01:09:44,763
Or his, like, motorcycle boots.
1563
01:09:44,888 --> 01:09:46,181
And he was just jacking off,
1564
01:09:46,306 --> 01:09:49,810
running down the street,
with sunglasses on.
1565
01:09:50,602 --> 01:09:51,602
Yeah.
1566
01:09:53,105 --> 01:09:56,316
I mean, you don't forget that.
1567
01:09:56,441 --> 01:09:58,985
My vision of him as a friend
1568
01:09:59,111 --> 01:10:03,365
was this guy who always had
a great story to tell
1569
01:10:03,490 --> 01:10:07,119
in the most ridiculous way
possible.
1570
01:10:07,244 --> 01:10:09,830
He always had a way
of making you feel special
1571
01:10:09,955 --> 01:10:11,206
and making you feel involved,
1572
01:10:11,331 --> 01:10:13,625
but he was also, like,
hard to handle.
1573
01:10:13,750 --> 01:10:19,423
Like, you had to be in a wild
mood to even keep up with Dave.
1574
01:10:19,548 --> 01:10:20,966
We had this superfan
1575
01:10:21,091 --> 01:10:23,593
who would send us bottles
of liquid acid.
1576
01:10:24,177 --> 01:10:26,513
And they'd be in the freezer
at the slave pit.
1577
01:10:26,638 --> 01:10:28,932
I'm up there working
on something with Don,
1578
01:10:29,057 --> 01:10:32,102
and Dave comes in with a bunch
of people he's collected.
1579
01:10:32,227 --> 01:10:33,937
They're gonna go
on an adventure.
1580
01:10:34,062 --> 01:10:37,315
And Dave pulls the bottle of
liquid acid out of the freezer,
1581
01:10:37,441 --> 01:10:39,109
and he squirts so much
into his eyeball,
1582
01:10:39,234 --> 01:10:40,318
I couldn't believe it.
1583
01:10:40,444 --> 01:10:42,946
Just like "Fff!" you know?
1584
01:10:43,071 --> 01:10:44,698
And then he was gone
for three days.
1585
01:10:44,823 --> 01:10:47,826
And I heard stuff, like, all
over town, like, "Oh, we were...
1586
01:10:47,951 --> 01:10:53,165
I think we were running up
the center of 64 median naked."
1587
01:10:53,290 --> 01:10:56,376
And then, like, you know,
he comes in to work Monday,
1588
01:10:56,501 --> 01:10:58,003
and it's like nothing happened.
1589
01:10:58,128 --> 01:10:59,880
He's just like...
1590
01:11:00,005 --> 01:11:01,725
"I was tripping my balls off
for three days.
1591
01:11:01,757 --> 01:11:03,151
I don't remember
really what happened.�
1592
01:11:03,175 --> 01:11:05,010
He was, like,
on these epic journeys
1593
01:11:05,135 --> 01:11:07,345
to the center of the mind.
1594
01:11:08,305 --> 01:11:10,849
So yeah, I mean, that's where
he drew his creative well,
1595
01:11:10,974 --> 01:11:13,393
but sometimes it's really rough
to work with someone
1596
01:11:13,518 --> 01:11:16,062
or try and rein
that kind of personality in.
1597
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:19,524
Once he got
on one of these binges,
1598
01:11:19,649 --> 01:11:22,319
the lack of sleep would make him
get a little unhinged,
1599
01:11:22,444 --> 01:11:24,112
a little unbalanced,
1600
01:11:24,237 --> 01:11:28,658
and he was trying to convince
people to join his movement.
1601
01:11:28,784 --> 01:11:31,161
Sometimes he'd just get
pretty divorced from reality,
1602
01:11:31,286 --> 01:11:33,038
and it would be a little scary.
1603
01:11:33,163 --> 01:11:35,248
Like, the Hale-Bopp thing
was happening,
1604
01:11:35,373 --> 01:11:37,709
and the Heaven's Gate
was all happening.
1605
01:11:37,834 --> 01:11:43,298
Your only chance to evacuate...
is to leave with us.
1606
01:11:43,423 --> 01:11:45,884
The rest of us,
we're just making some art.
1607
01:11:46,009 --> 01:11:50,096
This is a lot of, like, input to
come up with these weird ideas.
1608
01:11:50,222 --> 01:11:52,307
Dave sort of started
getting into believing it
1609
01:11:52,432 --> 01:11:54,184
and talking about how slave pit
1610
01:11:54,309 --> 01:11:57,354
was going to become
their own renegade compound
1611
01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:59,159
and go up against the government
and stuff.
1612
01:11:59,231 --> 01:12:03,735
And it would be like, "Oh, okay.
Like, where... where...
1613
01:12:03,860 --> 01:12:06,238
Are you in character now,
talking about this?"
1614
01:12:06,363 --> 01:12:08,073
# Summoning the master #
1615
01:12:10,283 --> 01:12:12,953
# Call forth his form
most vile #
1616
01:12:13,078 --> 01:12:14,847
Dave never thought
he was taking it far enough
1617
01:12:14,871 --> 01:12:16,289
or being true enough,
1618
01:12:16,414 --> 01:12:18,142
so he would, like,
really push the boundaries.
1619
01:12:18,166 --> 01:12:21,753
And it would be sometimes
where he was just out there.
1620
01:12:21,878 --> 01:12:23,964
There were plenty of times
1621
01:12:24,089 --> 01:12:28,093
when I saw Dave perform,
and I'm like, "Oh, my God.
1622
01:12:28,218 --> 01:12:29,427
Dave is gone.
1623
01:12:29,553 --> 01:12:32,597
Whatever demon or monster
drives him
1624
01:12:32,722 --> 01:12:35,058
is fully in control now,
1625
01:12:35,183 --> 01:12:38,019
and Dave Brockie
is only a passenger
1626
01:12:38,144 --> 01:12:39,938
watching from the back seat.�
1627
01:12:40,730 --> 01:12:42,917
There's not many people
that come along in your life
1628
01:12:42,941 --> 01:12:45,151
that are as big
as Dave Brockie...
1629
01:12:45,277 --> 01:12:47,904
This just hyperartistic guy
1630
01:12:48,029 --> 01:12:49,614
with a bazillion ideas
in his head,
1631
01:12:49,739 --> 01:12:50,949
going at all times,
1632
01:12:51,074 --> 01:12:54,077
very well read,
very intelligent,
1633
01:12:54,202 --> 01:12:56,872
but at the same time,
he had that sense of danger.
1634
01:12:56,997 --> 01:12:59,624
Like, you know
he's gonna break that thing.
1635
01:12:59,749 --> 01:13:01,293
He's not gonna be able
to help himself.
1636
01:13:01,418 --> 01:13:02,878
By the end of this interview,
1637
01:13:03,003 --> 01:13:06,047
he's gonna break
that fucking vase.
1638
01:13:06,172 --> 01:13:08,300
When you do an interview, say,
1639
01:13:08,425 --> 01:13:12,012
with Dave Brockie,
you are getting bowled over.
1640
01:13:12,137 --> 01:13:14,180
You could be sitting there
in a monster costume.
1641
01:13:14,306 --> 01:13:17,559
You're not gonna say a fucking
word, because why would you?
1642
01:13:17,684 --> 01:13:19,978
Whatever you say is gonna pale
in comparison
1643
01:13:20,103 --> 01:13:22,814
to the amazing things that
are coming out of his mouth,
1644
01:13:22,939 --> 01:13:25,817
like dictation
from a higher being.
1645
01:13:25,942 --> 01:13:27,736
It worries me
that somebody somewhere
1646
01:13:27,861 --> 01:13:30,405
is gonna watch you guys
and say, "Okay.
1647
01:13:30,530 --> 01:13:31,740
That's what we do."
1648
01:13:31,865 --> 01:13:33,217
Let them join the Army
or something.
1649
01:13:33,241 --> 01:13:34,510
There's plenty of outlets
for that.
1650
01:13:34,534 --> 01:13:37,370
He was one of
the all-time greats.
1651
01:13:37,495 --> 01:13:39,831
The all-time greats.
There's no doubt about it.
1652
01:13:39,956 --> 01:13:41,958
There's never gonna be anyone
like that guy.
1653
01:13:42,083 --> 01:13:46,171
Dave was really talented, but
he was not a generous performer.
1654
01:13:46,296 --> 01:13:50,592
It wasn't about making room for
other people to do what they do.
1655
01:13:50,717 --> 01:13:53,303
Like, they gave us the questions
for that show.
1656
01:13:53,428 --> 01:13:55,889
So we get them
from Joan's producers.
1657
01:13:56,014 --> 01:13:57,974
Before we go,
we're sitting there
1658
01:13:58,099 --> 01:13:59,379
talking about
what we're gonna do
1659
01:13:59,476 --> 01:14:00,995
and thinking of the ways
we're gonna answer
1660
01:14:01,019 --> 01:14:02,646
and who's gonna say what, right?
1661
01:14:02,771 --> 01:14:06,858
But then we get there,
and Dave starts saying it all...
1662
01:14:06,983 --> 01:14:08,693
Like, all the stuff
we had planned to say.
1663
01:14:08,818 --> 01:14:10,278
We don't...
1664
01:14:10,403 --> 01:14:12,614
I don't watch...
I don't watch much television.
1665
01:14:12,739 --> 01:14:14,616
- Of course we do.
- Except for your show.
1666
01:14:16,034 --> 01:14:17,744
We watch your show
24 hours a day.
1667
01:14:17,869 --> 01:14:19,287
All the time.
1668
01:14:19,412 --> 01:14:21,164
And Dave, like,
it never crossed his mind
1669
01:14:21,289 --> 01:14:24,125
that that was something
that he wouldn't do.
1670
01:14:24,250 --> 01:14:26,378
Same thing with Sexecutioner.
1671
01:14:26,503 --> 01:14:28,088
Chuck would make these
cool things
1672
01:14:28,213 --> 01:14:30,256
for the Sexecutioner to do,
and then,
1673
01:14:30,382 --> 01:14:33,301
by the end of the show,
Oderus would be doing them.
1674
01:14:33,426 --> 01:14:36,096
There wasn't room enough
for the Sexecutioner
1675
01:14:36,221 --> 01:14:39,265
and Dave Brockie's ego
on the stage at the same time.
1676
01:14:39,391 --> 01:14:42,435
I loved it.
I loved my baby, you know?
1677
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:46,189
It's the one thing that I did
that people liked.
1678
01:14:46,314 --> 01:14:48,942
But it just wasn't fun anymore.
1679
01:14:49,067 --> 01:14:52,028
I think everybody was shocked
when I just said, "No.
1680
01:14:52,153 --> 01:14:54,030
I've had enough.
I'm gonna go."
1681
01:14:56,449 --> 01:14:59,369
I think Dave was at
the point where he didn't want
1682
01:14:59,494 --> 01:15:02,872
all these extra characters
stealing stage time from him
1683
01:15:02,998 --> 01:15:06,876
or upstaging him with
their girly butt or whatever.
1684
01:15:08,837 --> 01:15:11,715
In my artistic journey,
I had to keep going.
1685
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:13,360
And I was doing
the Miss Electra thing,
1686
01:15:13,466 --> 01:15:15,677
and it was a little, maybe,
too dangerous
1687
01:15:15,802 --> 01:15:17,178
or the band was afraid of it.
1688
01:15:17,303 --> 01:15:18,847
And then, at that point,
I was like,
1689
01:15:18,972 --> 01:15:20,574
"If I can't shoot lightning
onstage with GWAR,
1690
01:15:20,598 --> 01:15:21,808
then I'm out of here."
1691
01:15:26,021 --> 01:15:28,815
We had a lot
of cool shit planned,
1692
01:15:28,940 --> 01:15:30,775
but Dave and I were working
against each other
1693
01:15:30,900 --> 01:15:31,985
just too much.
1694
01:15:32,110 --> 01:15:33,278
It was fucked up.
1695
01:15:35,363 --> 01:15:37,407
We'd just finished
filming "It's Sleazy."
1696
01:15:37,532 --> 01:15:39,200
It's Sleazy!
1697
01:15:39,325 --> 01:15:40,645
We were gonna do it all
ourselves,
1698
01:15:40,702 --> 01:15:43,079
and Hunter was the director
this time.
1699
01:15:43,204 --> 01:15:44,372
I was finally given
1700
01:15:44,497 --> 01:15:47,208
the directorship of the project,
right?
1701
01:15:47,333 --> 01:15:50,503
But the catch is,
Dave is the producer.
1702
01:15:50,628 --> 01:15:52,630
So what happens is Dave hires
1703
01:15:52,756 --> 01:15:57,302
all of his half-ass
junkie friends to be the crew,
1704
01:15:57,427 --> 01:15:59,137
and half of them don't show up.
1705
01:15:59,262 --> 01:16:00,805
And the ones that do show up
1706
01:16:00,930 --> 01:16:05,727
make outrageous, crazy mistakes
that fucked us.
1707
01:16:05,852 --> 01:16:07,645
We'd just got
all the footage filmed,
1708
01:16:07,771 --> 01:16:11,733
and next thing I heard is like,
"Yeah, Hunter left."
1709
01:16:11,858 --> 01:16:13,777
"Wait. He's gonna do the movie,
though, right?"
1710
01:16:13,902 --> 01:16:15,653
And they're like, "No.
He's just gone.�
1711
01:16:15,779 --> 01:16:19,532
Here I am, supposedly
one of his best friends,
1712
01:16:19,657 --> 01:16:23,369
and he gives me a week's notice
that he's leaving.
1713
01:16:23,495 --> 01:16:24,895
He doesn't tell anybody
in the band.
1714
01:16:24,996 --> 01:16:26,790
He just says, "Hey, by the way,
I'm moving.
1715
01:16:26,915 --> 01:16:28,500
I'm taking off."
1716
01:16:28,625 --> 01:16:33,213
I was just like, "You know,
Dave is just so out there.
1717
01:16:33,338 --> 01:16:34,839
I don't want to be a part
of it."
1718
01:16:34,964 --> 01:16:36,341
As much as I loved GWAR...
1719
01:16:36,466 --> 01:16:39,135
I did GWAR
until I was 40 years old,
1720
01:16:39,260 --> 01:16:42,305
and I poured everything I had
into it...
1721
01:16:42,430 --> 01:16:45,683
I just didn't see the story
having a happy ending.
1722
01:16:46,518 --> 01:16:48,978
So it ended up being
me and Dave sitting there,
1723
01:16:49,104 --> 01:16:50,480
editing this movie.
1724
01:16:50,605 --> 01:16:53,942
And I'd never edited film
or anything like that.
1725
01:16:54,067 --> 01:16:55,819
So I had to learn
how to edit film
1726
01:16:55,944 --> 01:17:00,406
and do an entire feature-length
thing in a couple weeks.
1727
01:17:03,743 --> 01:17:06,204
So, I had
this separate bank account
1728
01:17:06,329 --> 01:17:09,582
that I was being really
super guarded of,
1729
01:17:09,707 --> 01:17:11,835
because I knew
that in the future,
1730
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:13,395
I was gonna want to print
comic books,
1731
01:17:13,419 --> 01:17:16,506
which cost what, $5,0007?
1732
01:17:16,631 --> 01:17:18,758
What would happen if I went
to the musicians and go,
1733
01:17:18,883 --> 01:17:21,094
"Hey, dude, I need $5,000
1734
01:17:21,219 --> 01:17:23,513
so I can print this comic book,"
you know?
1735
01:17:23,638 --> 01:17:24,998
What do you think
they're gonna do?
1736
01:17:25,098 --> 01:17:26,558
They're gonna fucking laugh.
1737
01:17:26,683 --> 01:17:28,017
He had moved away.
1738
01:17:28,143 --> 01:17:30,770
You know, he'd moved away
to Philly and had...
1739
01:17:30,895 --> 01:17:33,106
You know,
there was this discrepancy of,
1740
01:17:33,231 --> 01:17:34,458
"What are you doing
with that money?
1741
01:17:34,482 --> 01:17:35,762
There's that money
sitting there.
1742
01:17:35,817 --> 01:17:37,253
What do we want to do
with this money?"
1743
01:17:37,277 --> 01:17:38,917
I'm on the tour bus,
and, all of a sudden,
1744
01:17:39,028 --> 01:17:42,115
all this fucking screaming
and conflagration breaks out.
1745
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:43,825
And Dave has grabbed Hunter.
1746
01:17:43,950 --> 01:17:46,327
He's trying to drag him,
pull him out onto the bunk.
1747
01:17:46,452 --> 01:17:48,663
I had to get in between the two
and separate them.
1748
01:17:48,788 --> 01:17:50,874
Dave was holding a flyer
1749
01:17:50,999 --> 01:17:53,960
that was advertising
"Slave Pit merchandise."
1750
01:17:54,085 --> 01:17:59,299
And on it, the address was
Hunter's Philadelphia address.
1751
01:17:59,424 --> 01:18:03,469
Hunter was running his own
GWAR merchandise department
1752
01:18:03,595 --> 01:18:07,473
and not informing us
or sharing any of the profits.
1753
01:18:08,057 --> 01:18:11,895
Dave basically considered that
the ultimate backstab.
1754
01:18:12,020 --> 01:18:13,813
And they go,
"Hey, all that money
1755
01:18:13,938 --> 01:18:16,024
that you've made
selling comic books
1756
01:18:16,149 --> 01:18:17,942
in the parking lot
while we were partying,
1757
01:18:18,067 --> 01:18:20,612
we decided that it all belongs
to us."
1758
01:18:22,197 --> 01:18:25,325
And that was how I got
kicked out of GWAR.
1759
01:18:25,450 --> 01:18:29,245
That's when he thinks that
he was kicked out of the band.
1760
01:18:29,370 --> 01:18:32,707
And as far as I'm concerned...
1761
01:18:32,832 --> 01:18:35,168
And this is how I viewed
that meeting...
1762
01:18:35,293 --> 01:18:38,046
He was never kicked out
of the band, ever.
1763
01:18:38,171 --> 01:18:41,424
But I don't think
he was interested at that point.
1764
01:18:41,549 --> 01:18:44,886
I think he thought
with Dave around,
1765
01:18:45,011 --> 01:18:46,387
there was too much opposition
1766
01:18:46,512 --> 01:18:48,272
and he didn't want to deal
with Dave anymore.
1767
01:18:48,389 --> 01:18:51,309
I know that was one of
the major sticking points.
1768
01:18:51,434 --> 01:18:53,519
He didn't want to deal
with Dave.
1769
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,106
Years after that, he would
just show up at my house.
1770
01:18:57,232 --> 01:18:59,692
And I'd let him come
and take whatever he wanted.
1771
01:18:59,817 --> 01:19:02,946
He took off
with tons of our artwork
1772
01:19:03,071 --> 01:19:05,698
and things that we've never
gotten back, you know?
1773
01:19:05,823 --> 01:19:08,201
But I was like
open-door policy...
1774
01:19:08,326 --> 01:19:10,912
"Come on in.
Take what you need.
1775
01:19:11,037 --> 01:19:13,248
You're one of the main creators
of this.
1776
01:19:13,373 --> 01:19:15,208
I'm your friend.
1777
01:19:15,333 --> 01:19:17,001
Take what you need," you know?
1778
01:19:17,126 --> 01:19:20,755
But still to this day, I don't
think he sees it that way.
1779
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,424
Toward the end, I was just
so tired of fighting everybody
1780
01:19:23,549 --> 01:19:25,551
to try to get anything done.
1781
01:19:25,677 --> 01:19:30,014
People that I don't even respect
voting on what projects I do
1782
01:19:30,139 --> 01:19:32,100
and don't get to work on,
you know?
1783
01:19:32,225 --> 01:19:35,436
And mostly, they're... A lot
of times, they're motivated
1784
01:19:35,561 --> 01:19:40,692
by, you know, just wanting to
thwart my efforts
1785
01:19:40,817 --> 01:19:43,278
and bring Hunter down a peg,
you know?
1786
01:19:43,403 --> 01:19:46,155
There was just too much of that
kind of stupid stuff going on.
1787
01:19:46,281 --> 01:19:47,448
It was counterproductive.
1788
01:19:47,573 --> 01:19:49,284
And I feel totally free
1789
01:19:49,409 --> 01:19:53,871
and have no desire to go back to
struggling with those assholes.
1790
01:19:58,376 --> 01:20:00,211
- Yeah.
- It's a...
1791
01:20:00,962 --> 01:20:02,672
It's a tough one with Hunter.
1792
01:20:02,797 --> 01:20:07,552
I mean, for a long time, man,
like, when I first got there,
1793
01:20:07,677 --> 01:20:09,554
he was my teacher.
1794
01:20:09,679 --> 01:20:11,806
He was my friend.
1795
01:20:11,931 --> 01:20:13,558
And I know that, like,
1796
01:20:13,683 --> 01:20:16,060
the master-and-apprentice
kind of relationship
1797
01:20:16,185 --> 01:20:18,104
goes into this thing
where everybody's cool
1798
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:19,897
because you're learning
from the guy,
1799
01:20:20,023 --> 01:20:24,277
and then you go on and the idea
is to surpass the master.
1800
01:20:24,402 --> 01:20:26,446
The apprentice becomes
the master.
1801
01:20:26,571 --> 01:20:29,115
And I don't think Hunter
ever understood that part of it.
1802
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:31,159
He resented it more than...
1803
01:20:31,284 --> 01:20:34,078
And he kind of let it destroy
our friendship.
1804
01:20:34,203 --> 01:20:35,872
And it was unfortunate,
1805
01:20:35,997 --> 01:20:38,583
because we had a pretty fucking
amazing friendship.
1806
01:20:38,708 --> 01:20:41,002
And I miss it.
1807
01:20:41,127 --> 01:20:42,170
You know, I miss him.
1808
01:20:42,295 --> 01:20:46,632
And... you know, it's...
1809
01:20:46,758 --> 01:20:49,802
it's an unfortunateness
of this, you know?
1810
01:20:51,346 --> 01:20:53,264
Yeah.
Sorry.
1811
01:20:54,432 --> 01:20:55,933
I don't know, man.
1812
01:20:56,059 --> 01:20:59,854
I sort of like being 3,000 miles
away from them, you know?
1813
01:20:59,979 --> 01:21:01,898
I'm glad to be 3,000 miles away
1814
01:21:02,023 --> 01:21:04,692
from Richmond, Virginia,
right now.
1815
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,278
He was just gone.
1816
01:21:07,403 --> 01:21:10,740
And people just kind of
lost faith in it, I think.
1817
01:21:10,865 --> 01:21:12,742
And they just needed to live
their own lives.
1818
01:21:12,867 --> 01:21:14,202
People had to move on.
1819
01:21:14,327 --> 01:21:17,080
We'd been doing it
for well over a decade,
1820
01:21:17,205 --> 01:21:19,749
and people were growing up
and getting older,
1821
01:21:19,874 --> 01:21:21,542
and everyone kind of realized,
"Okay.
1822
01:21:21,667 --> 01:21:23,419
GWAR is never gonna be huge,
1823
01:21:23,544 --> 01:21:26,255
and I'm not ever gonna get rich
doing this band.
1824
01:21:26,381 --> 01:21:30,593
And.. How much of my life
am I gonna dedicate to it?
1825
01:21:30,718 --> 01:21:34,806
And am I gonna end up
50 years old...
1826
01:21:35,515 --> 01:21:38,768
...and this is all I have?"
1827
01:21:38,893 --> 01:21:40,561
Don was pretty much gone.
1828
01:21:40,686 --> 01:21:43,898
He was still around but just
coming in when he needed to be
1829
01:21:44,023 --> 01:21:45,566
and then just doing
his own thing.
1830
01:21:45,691 --> 01:21:47,527
Danielle had moved to L. A.
1831
01:21:47,652 --> 01:21:48,820
Chuck was in New York.
1832
01:21:48,945 --> 01:21:51,572
Casey and I went to Dallas.
1833
01:21:51,697 --> 01:21:53,699
Bobby and Matt moved
to New York.
1834
01:21:53,825 --> 01:21:56,786
We were just on a hiatus.
1835
01:21:56,911 --> 01:21:59,872
You know, it was really,
like, Dave, Derks, and Brad.
1836
01:21:59,997 --> 01:22:01,749
Like, that was it.
1837
01:22:01,874 --> 01:22:04,544
Also, we lost our old
slave pit on Chamberlain.
1838
01:22:04,669 --> 01:22:05,962
This guy had bought the building
1839
01:22:06,087 --> 01:22:09,257
and was gonna turn it into
a used-car place.
1840
01:22:09,382 --> 01:22:11,717
That was kind of the last straw,
1841
01:22:11,843 --> 01:22:14,679
where we put everything
into storage.
1842
01:22:14,804 --> 01:22:16,347
I loved GWAR.
1843
01:22:16,472 --> 01:22:18,558
It had been a good part
of my life up to that point.
1844
01:22:18,683 --> 01:22:24,105
But I figured, you know, like...
it's not really sustainable.
1845
01:22:24,230 --> 01:22:26,441
You did well, everybody.
1846
01:22:26,566 --> 01:22:29,026
One, two, three.
1847
01:22:29,152 --> 01:22:30,862
Okay.
1848
01:22:30,987 --> 01:22:32,447
Ow.
1849
01:22:33,281 --> 01:22:34,407
Everybody relax.
1850
01:22:34,532 --> 01:22:36,951
We're gonna do a color one
of this.
1851
01:22:38,828 --> 01:22:41,372
When it came time to do
the next record,
1852
01:22:41,497 --> 01:22:44,375
there was all these, like,
just wacky ideas rolling around.
1853
01:22:44,500 --> 01:22:46,210
And it was like,
"Aren't we metal?
1854
01:22:46,335 --> 01:22:48,087
Aren't we supposed to be
in that world?
1855
01:22:48,212 --> 01:22:49,481
'Cause that's who
we're playing with
1856
01:22:49,505 --> 01:22:51,549
and that's who
we're touring with."
1857
01:22:51,674 --> 01:22:54,510
So, me and Zach were just kind
of not really into the idea
1858
01:22:54,635 --> 01:22:56,679
and kind of decided,
"Well, man, maybe...
1859
01:22:56,804 --> 01:22:58,890
You know,
maybe we should step down."
1860
01:22:59,015 --> 01:23:03,144
But I'm this young,
idealistic little shit.
1861
01:23:03,269 --> 01:23:04,896
And I sold them on the idea.
1862
01:23:05,021 --> 01:23:06,481
I was like... Me and Casey did.
1863
01:23:06,606 --> 01:23:09,358
It's like, "Dude,
let's just make a metal record
1864
01:23:09,484 --> 01:23:13,362
that's about, you know, death
and war and blood and guts."
1865
01:23:13,488 --> 01:23:14,655
We didn't, like, set out...
1866
01:23:14,780 --> 01:23:16,140
"Okay.
Every song has to be heavy."
1867
01:23:16,199 --> 01:23:18,284
We just...
The mind-set sort of changed.
1868
01:23:21,287 --> 01:23:22,663
I was talking to Dave
fairly often.
1869
01:23:22,788 --> 01:23:24,582
It wasn't like I was estranged
or mad at him.
1870
01:23:24,707 --> 01:23:26,751
I was just like,
"I just got to do my own thing."
1871
01:23:26,876 --> 01:23:30,755
And so when he played me
some of the stuff, I was like...
1872
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:32,465
He's like,
"Are you gonna be involved
1873
01:23:32,590 --> 01:23:34,509
if we do a tour
and build stuff?"
1874
01:23:34,634 --> 01:23:36,302
And I was just like, "God, man.
Yeah.
1875
01:23:36,427 --> 01:23:38,467
Like, this is awesome.
This is what I want to hear."
1876
01:23:38,554 --> 01:23:40,139
Like, "Yeah.
Play some metal."
1877
01:23:47,188 --> 01:23:48,689
# Centuries of carnage #
1878
01:23:48,814 --> 01:23:51,984
# Centuries of chaos
yet unfolded #
1879
01:23:52,109 --> 01:23:53,861
In that time frame,
in that hiatus,
1880
01:23:53,986 --> 01:23:56,989
that was the most money
I've ever made in my adult life,
1881
01:23:57,114 --> 01:24:00,243
because I was doing movies
and I was doing commercials.
1882
01:24:00,368 --> 01:24:03,120
I was actually doing
production stuff
1883
01:24:03,246 --> 01:24:05,748
and getting paid
the right amount to do it.
1884
01:24:05,873 --> 01:24:07,875
I got a call from Dave,
and he was like,
1885
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:09,627
"We're getting the band
back together."
1886
01:24:09,752 --> 01:24:10,836
You know, so...
1887
01:24:12,838 --> 01:24:15,049
When you had people like Hunter
1888
01:24:15,174 --> 01:24:17,593
and Chuck and Don moving on,
1889
01:24:17,718 --> 01:24:20,596
we were so lucky
that we had Bobby and Matt
1890
01:24:20,721 --> 01:24:23,474
that had sort of come in
apprenticing
1891
01:24:23,599 --> 01:24:24,976
and things like that.
1892
01:24:25,101 --> 01:24:28,229
They were so ready and willing
to take the baton
1893
01:24:28,354 --> 01:24:30,106
and not miss a beat
1894
01:24:30,231 --> 01:24:32,275
and still put on these dynamic,
amazing shows,
1895
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,903
which is building Rome in a day,
you know, every day.
1896
01:24:36,028 --> 01:24:37,738
And those guys were like,
"We got it."
1897
01:24:37,863 --> 01:24:39,740
And they fucking did it.
1898
01:24:39,865 --> 01:24:42,010
In some other band,
they would just be roadies.
1899
01:24:42,034 --> 01:24:43,953
But these guys, they are GWAR.
1900
01:24:44,078 --> 01:24:45,838
They made all this stuff.
They make this art.
1901
01:24:45,913 --> 01:24:47,331
And, like,
what band do you know...
1902
01:24:47,456 --> 01:24:49,417
Metal band that takes
an 18-wheeler
1903
01:24:49,542 --> 01:24:50,960
full of shit with them?
1904
01:24:51,085 --> 01:24:53,296
There's not a ton.
And they have to take that.
1905
01:24:53,421 --> 01:24:57,258
'Cause what other band has
a giant fucking dinosaur?
1906
01:25:04,682 --> 01:25:08,519
When we came back to do GWAR
again, we were in debt.
1907
01:25:08,644 --> 01:25:10,605
We were getting ready
to lose our space.
1908
01:25:10,730 --> 01:25:11,930
We had said for years,
1909
01:25:11,981 --> 01:25:14,984
"This is too hard for us
to do festivals.
1910
01:25:15,109 --> 01:25:17,612
Our breakdown and setup time
is too long."
1911
01:25:17,737 --> 01:25:20,990
But we sort of realized
our mind-set is stuck
1912
01:25:21,115 --> 01:25:23,326
in the way we have always
done stuff
1913
01:25:23,451 --> 01:25:25,161
but it doesn't have to be
that way.
1914
01:25:25,286 --> 01:25:26,495
Just nuts and bolts.
1915
01:25:26,621 --> 01:25:28,080
Like, "That's stupid.
Don't do that.
1916
01:25:28,205 --> 01:25:29,373
Do this instead."
1917
01:25:33,127 --> 01:25:34,670
We were just like, "Shit.
1918
01:25:34,795 --> 01:25:36,797
We're getting a second wind.
Let's fucking grab it.
1919
01:25:36,922 --> 01:25:39,109
If we get the offers for shows,
let's just keep taking them."
1920
01:25:39,133 --> 01:25:40,843
But being older
1921
01:25:40,968 --> 01:25:43,804
and spending a lot of time on
tour leads to some bad habits.
1922
01:25:43,929 --> 01:25:46,015
And not just the drinking
every night
1923
01:25:46,140 --> 01:25:48,309
because you're so bored
or lonely,
1924
01:25:48,434 --> 01:25:50,102
but the physical toll.
1925
01:25:50,227 --> 01:25:53,022
Like, Dave's classic,
like, back.
1926
01:25:53,147 --> 01:25:54,857
Jumping around and singing
1927
01:25:54,982 --> 01:25:57,151
with those costumes
on your back.
1928
01:25:57,276 --> 01:26:01,989
I remember hearing about people
just stealing or getting Oxys
1929
01:26:02,114 --> 01:26:05,534
and just being like, "Huh.
That's weird."
1930
01:26:05,660 --> 01:26:08,621
GWAR! GWAR! GWAR! GWAR! GWAR!
1931
01:26:08,746 --> 01:26:11,832
I loved Dave Brockie.
1932
01:26:11,957 --> 01:26:13,125
I looked up to him.
1933
01:26:13,250 --> 01:26:15,503
I asked him questions
about life.
1934
01:26:15,628 --> 01:26:18,381
And one thing about Brockie is,
no matter how much partying,
1935
01:26:18,506 --> 01:26:20,549
how off the rails he was,
how crazy he was,
1936
01:26:20,675 --> 01:26:23,302
when it came showtime,
he was fucking...
1937
01:26:23,427 --> 01:26:27,056
He loaded that truck in,
he did the show,
1938
01:26:27,181 --> 01:26:31,894
he pulled the work of all of us
and then loaded that truck out.
1939
01:26:32,019 --> 01:26:35,564
And then, you know,
all bets are off.
1940
01:26:35,690 --> 01:26:39,360
But his work ethic
started waning, you know?
1941
01:26:39,485 --> 01:26:41,404
He started missing sound checks.
1942
01:26:41,529 --> 01:26:44,490
And... it just wasn't him.
1943
01:26:45,074 --> 01:26:48,202
And I somehow had
the wherewithal to go,
1944
01:26:48,327 --> 01:26:50,621
"I don't want to be present
for this.
1945
01:26:50,746 --> 01:26:55,626
You know, so please...
do something about this.
1946
01:26:55,751 --> 01:26:57,753
And if you don't,
I'm gonna have to go."
1947
01:26:57,878 --> 01:27:01,006
And he's...
"Dude, you're right,".
1948
01:27:01,132 --> 01:27:02,550
Whatever.
And he was supposedly...
1949
01:27:02,675 --> 01:27:03,884
And he didn't.
1950
01:27:04,009 --> 01:27:06,178
He didn't.
And I knew he didn't.
1951
01:27:11,100 --> 01:27:12,893
When Zach left,
1952
01:27:13,018 --> 01:27:15,229
Cory was right there to jump in
and take the reins
1953
01:27:15,354 --> 01:27:17,481
and write even more
contemporary metal.
1954
01:27:21,819 --> 01:27:23,738
Cory was such an easy person
to get along with.
1955
01:27:23,863 --> 01:27:25,948
He was so...
1956
01:27:26,073 --> 01:27:30,411
I don't want to say "simple,"
but he had this charm to him
1957
01:27:30,536 --> 01:27:33,330
that you just could not dislike
the guy.
1958
01:27:33,456 --> 01:27:36,709
Now it's cool, 'cause I don't
have to get a real job.
1959
01:27:36,834 --> 01:27:38,461
I can do this and pay my bills.
1960
01:27:38,586 --> 01:27:39,795
He had this whole
1961
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:43,048
new-blood kind of metal thing
going on.
1962
01:27:43,174 --> 01:27:45,301
And he was younger,
and he was hungry.
1963
01:27:45,426 --> 01:27:47,845
And he would just make me
have to play harder
1964
01:27:47,970 --> 01:27:51,140
and play stuff that I never even
thought about playing before.
1965
01:27:55,644 --> 01:27:59,607
The thing about Flattus is
there's been countless people
1966
01:27:59,732 --> 01:28:01,233
in the Flattus costume.
1967
01:28:01,358 --> 01:28:04,195
Somebody told me that
for photo shoots and press stuff
1968
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:06,030
and all those different things,
1969
01:28:06,155 --> 01:28:09,241
there have been upwards of 30
people in the Flattus costume.
1970
01:28:09,366 --> 01:28:13,037
Cory was just such a little
caveman full of metal,
1971
01:28:13,162 --> 01:28:15,372
and I think he made
that character become
1972
01:28:15,498 --> 01:28:19,126
what it always sort of
seemed like it was trying to be.
1973
01:28:19,251 --> 01:28:22,505
That's no slight to anybody else
that ever played the character.
1974
01:28:22,630 --> 01:28:25,341
It's just... It's like
the costume fit him better.
1975
01:28:27,259 --> 01:28:28,928
The Sounds from the Underground,
1976
01:28:29,053 --> 01:28:33,516
it introduced us to sort of
a new generation of rock kids
1977
01:28:33,641 --> 01:28:36,644
who would not have thought GWAR
was cool, starting like this
1978
01:28:36,769 --> 01:28:38,079
and by the end
just being crushed.
1979
01:28:38,103 --> 01:28:40,898
'Cause we would do a lot
in a half-hour.
1980
01:28:41,023 --> 01:28:43,317
These kids coming to the shows
were kids.
1981
01:28:43,442 --> 01:28:46,737
These bands were young kids,
and their fans were young kids,
1982
01:28:46,862 --> 01:28:48,572
kids who weren't even born
1983
01:28:48,697 --> 01:28:50,533
when some of the first
GWAR stuff came out.
1984
01:28:50,658 --> 01:28:52,498
So we weren't sure
how they were gonna go over,
1985
01:28:52,576 --> 01:28:53,845
but of course,
they went down a storm.
1986
01:28:53,869 --> 01:28:55,955
Kids loved them,
freaked out about it,
1987
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:57,748
and they became a staple
of that tour.
1988
01:28:57,873 --> 01:29:00,626
# Don't give them a sword
and then not let them use it
1989
01:29:00,751 --> 01:29:03,629
# Or sent them to war
and then make them lose it #
1990
01:29:03,754 --> 01:29:06,215
# This is a bomb...
Don't try to defuse it #
1991
01:29:06,340 --> 01:29:09,385
We toured three and
a half months straight one time.
1992
01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:11,011
I mean, it was insane.
1993
01:29:11,136 --> 01:29:13,073
I remember going, like, "Wow.
I got through that."
1994
01:29:13,097 --> 01:29:14,181
I had money.
1995
01:29:14,306 --> 01:29:15,766
But I just remember, like,
1996
01:29:15,891 --> 01:29:18,102
the toll that it took on people
personally.
1997
01:29:18,227 --> 01:29:20,646
It was like... It's rough.
1998
01:29:20,771 --> 01:29:23,274
I could see that
even though things were good,
1999
01:29:23,399 --> 01:29:24,733
we pushed it too hard.
2000
01:29:24,859 --> 01:29:26,610
We toured too much.
2001
01:29:26,735 --> 01:29:29,697
We kept saying, like, "Hey, we
can get another tour this year,
2002
01:29:29,822 --> 01:29:31,282
make a lot more money."
2003
01:29:31,407 --> 01:29:34,201
And we were just like, "Fuck it.
All right."
2004
01:29:44,044 --> 01:29:46,839
Yeah. I was lying in my bunk,
and I heard...
2005
01:29:46,964 --> 01:29:49,091
Um, Eddie, our tour manager...
2006
01:29:56,432 --> 01:29:58,475
Eddie was banging on
everybody's bunks
2007
01:29:58,601 --> 01:30:00,561
to get their passports
2008
01:30:00,686 --> 01:30:03,314
'cause we were going...
Crossing into Canada.
2009
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:04,857
And so I pulled my curtain back,
2010
01:30:04,982 --> 01:30:07,276
and Eddie was knocking
on Cory's bunk,
2011
01:30:07,401 --> 01:30:08,569
and he wouldn't wake up.
2012
01:30:08,694 --> 01:30:11,572
And he opened it
and tried to wake him.
2013
01:30:13,866 --> 01:30:15,784
And...
2014
01:30:20,539 --> 01:30:24,293
When we sat down after
the police took us to the hotel,
2015
01:30:24,418 --> 01:30:27,755
we kind of talked about, like,
"What should we do?"
2016
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:29,340
As we talked about it,
2017
01:30:29,465 --> 01:30:31,425
it was like, "The only way
we can help his widow,
2018
01:30:31,550 --> 01:30:33,802
the only way we can help
ourselves
2019
01:30:33,928 --> 01:30:35,679
is to do what we're doing."
2020
01:30:35,804 --> 01:30:38,641
'Cause we go home,
we're all gonna go home
2021
01:30:38,766 --> 01:30:40,267
and go to our individual houses
2022
01:30:40,392 --> 01:30:43,062
and probably have, like,
a nervous breakdown, you know?
2023
01:30:45,105 --> 01:30:46,982
We continued on with the tour.
2024
01:30:47,107 --> 01:30:50,194
We canceled one show
and played...
2025
01:30:50,319 --> 01:30:55,240
The night after he died,
we were up onstage again.
2026
01:30:55,741 --> 01:30:58,452
Finished out that tour.
2027
01:31:01,455 --> 01:31:02,915
We're a bunch of dudes
2028
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:06,168
that don't really talk
to each other in that way.
2029
01:31:06,293 --> 01:31:08,462
It's amazing that
we've been together for so long
2030
01:31:08,587 --> 01:31:10,005
and we don't really relate
2031
01:31:10,130 --> 01:31:12,925
on any sort of deep
emotional level.
2032
01:31:13,050 --> 01:31:14,885
We're all such weirdos,
you know?
2033
01:31:15,010 --> 01:31:17,680
So, like, being together
and grieving together on tour
2034
01:31:17,805 --> 01:31:20,724
was, like, the most helpful
thing for me, personally.
2035
01:31:20,849 --> 01:31:24,979
Like, it really...
It helped me process it.
2036
01:31:26,939 --> 01:31:28,899
When Cory died,
we kind of realized
2037
01:31:29,024 --> 01:31:31,151
that you're more than just
putting the suit on.
2038
01:31:31,276 --> 01:31:32,903
You become that character.
2039
01:31:33,028 --> 01:31:35,948
And if you die as that
character, that character dies.
2040
01:31:37,741 --> 01:31:41,829
# He was a brother to me #
2041
01:31:43,622 --> 01:31:45,541
# Fly now #
2042
01:31:45,666 --> 01:31:48,127
# Flattus, be free #
2043
01:31:51,046 --> 01:31:54,091
My wife was really
good friends with Cory.
2044
01:31:54,216 --> 01:31:58,929
So when we got the news
that Cory had passed, she was...
2045
01:31:59,054 --> 01:32:01,515
I had to stop my wife from,
like, running out of the door.
2046
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:02,766
She wanted to go see Jamie,
2047
01:32:02,891 --> 01:32:04,560
which is Cory's wife
at the time.
2048
01:32:04,685 --> 01:32:06,103
She was just devastated.
2049
01:32:06,228 --> 01:32:07,455
I mean, that was like
a member...
2050
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:09,523
That was somebody
very close to us.
2051
01:32:09,648 --> 01:32:12,943
Eventually, I get a call
from Mike Derks,
2052
01:32:13,068 --> 01:32:15,404
asking to go try out.
2053
01:32:15,529 --> 01:32:17,906
And I didn't know who else
tried out,
2054
01:32:18,032 --> 01:32:19,783
but I just remember
telling myself
2055
01:32:19,908 --> 01:32:22,036
that nobody else can have this
2056
01:32:22,161 --> 01:32:25,914
because they're not in
that circle, you know?
2057
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:28,292
I didn't want a stranger
to take this job,
2058
01:32:28,417 --> 01:32:30,627
you know, to take this burden.
2059
01:32:30,753 --> 01:32:32,433
Here he is right now,
ladies and gentlemen.
2060
01:32:32,504 --> 01:32:33,630
Oh, my God.
Look.
2061
01:32:33,756 --> 01:32:35,507
- Pustulus, come here.
- Make way!
2062
01:32:35,632 --> 01:32:40,387
You bear a striking resemblance
to your family member Flattus.
2063
01:32:40,512 --> 01:32:43,557
Aunt Jeanette and Aunt Cindy
are doing very well.
2064
01:32:43,682 --> 01:32:45,768
- Thank you very much.
- I told you he was deaf.
2065
01:32:45,893 --> 01:32:48,395
He's just a fucking
straight-up rocker, man.
2066
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:52,191
I mean, he's of that old-school
rock-'n'-roll heavy metal.
2067
01:32:52,316 --> 01:32:54,276
He stepped up a lot, man.
2068
01:32:54,401 --> 01:32:56,445
He did all these little promos
for the tour.
2069
01:32:56,570 --> 01:32:58,197
They're amazing, man!
2070
01:32:58,322 --> 01:33:02,284
Time for you to get
a little Christmas spear... it.
2071
01:33:04,620 --> 01:33:09,249
To be a fan, to cross over
into a member of the band,
2072
01:33:09,374 --> 01:33:11,061
you have these thoughts
and these impressions
2073
01:33:11,085 --> 01:33:12,353
of these people
that you don't know
2074
01:33:12,377 --> 01:33:14,088
that you're looking,
reading about.
2075
01:33:14,213 --> 01:33:16,381
Meeting them is one thing,
and then actually becoming,
2076
01:33:16,507 --> 01:33:19,927
like, really close to people
is another.
2077
01:33:20,052 --> 01:33:22,763
That's kind of where it,
I guess, changes the most,
2078
01:33:22,888 --> 01:33:26,266
is when you're not...
2079
01:33:26,391 --> 01:33:27,935
Sometimes you're not a fan
anymore.
2080
01:33:28,060 --> 01:33:29,103
You're just family.
2081
01:33:38,654 --> 01:33:41,824
Please welcome GWAR's delightful
singer, Oderus Urungus.
2082
01:33:41,949 --> 01:33:43,242
Hello.
Hello.
2083
01:33:43,367 --> 01:33:45,077
Now, you hate Earth, don't you?
2084
01:33:45,202 --> 01:33:48,038
Oh, I despise it.
But I love it at the same time.
2085
01:33:48,163 --> 01:33:51,625
See, Earth is the only place
in the galaxy that has crack.
2086
01:33:51,750 --> 01:33:53,085
Yeah. That's true.
2087
01:33:55,045 --> 01:33:58,882
"Viva La Bam," basically,
I got $300,000 per episode
2088
01:33:59,007 --> 01:34:00,676
to do whatever the hell
that I wanted.
2089
01:34:00,801 --> 01:34:03,011
And it was usually
messing with my parents,
2090
01:34:03,137 --> 01:34:05,222
turning the house
into a skate park,
2091
01:34:05,347 --> 01:34:07,474
alligator in the kitchen...
Things like that.
2092
01:34:07,599 --> 01:34:10,310
Hey... Hey, what is that?
2093
01:34:10,435 --> 01:34:12,688
What are you doing in here?!
2094
01:34:12,813 --> 01:34:14,523
It's scary upstairs!
2095
01:34:14,648 --> 01:34:16,042
Aren't your friends up there
with you?
2096
01:34:16,066 --> 01:34:17,693
They're not my friends!
2097
01:34:17,818 --> 01:34:20,195
They're not my friends.
2098
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:22,239
Oderus Urungus?
2099
01:34:22,364 --> 01:34:25,742
It was the story of how Oderus
couldn't be outrageous anymore,
2100
01:34:25,868 --> 01:34:28,162
so he wanted to do
children's birthday parties.
2101
01:34:28,287 --> 01:34:32,332
So, of course, he steals my face
and uses it as a mask
2102
01:34:32,457 --> 01:34:34,960
to play children's
birthday parties.
2103
01:34:39,423 --> 01:34:41,717
Thank you so much!
2104
01:34:48,473 --> 01:34:49,473
- Sick! #
- Sick! #
2105
01:34:49,558 --> 01:34:50,267
- # Oft #
- # Oft #
2106
01:34:50,392 --> 01:34:52,019
# You #
2107
01:34:52,144 --> 01:34:54,688
# I'm so sick, so sick of... #
2108
01:35:03,947 --> 01:35:05,490
Let's have a round of applause
2109
01:35:05,616 --> 01:35:06,616
for all the bands so far.
2110
01:35:06,658 --> 01:35:08,118
You guys ready...
2111
01:35:08,243 --> 01:35:11,038
# We live to lock horns,
so glad to be born #
2112
01:35:11,163 --> 01:35:12,539
# My balls just got shorn #
2113
01:35:12,664 --> 01:35:14,184
# 'Cause the thing was damn
warm, go! #
2114
01:35:16,752 --> 01:35:18,512
# We know what we need,
we take and we feed #
2115
01:35:18,587 --> 01:35:21,215
# We live in a cave,
we love a good bleed #
2116
01:35:24,468 --> 01:35:25,908
# We always return,
we never regret #
2117
01:35:25,969 --> 01:35:28,555
# We never deny,
we never forget #
2118
01:35:34,728 --> 01:35:37,147
Yeah, I got a call
in the middle of the night.
2119
01:35:37,272 --> 01:35:38,690
And he's sobbing.
2120
01:35:38,815 --> 01:35:40,984
And he... And he just says it.
2121
01:35:41,109 --> 01:35:43,028
He's like, "Dave's dead."
2122
01:35:45,530 --> 01:35:47,407
He had a sheet hanging,
2123
01:35:47,532 --> 01:35:49,826
separating his living room
from the kitchen.
2124
01:35:49,952 --> 01:35:53,664
I could see through the sheet,
but I didn't go in.
2125
01:35:57,042 --> 01:35:59,211
Yeah.
I didn't want to see him.
2126
01:36:00,712 --> 01:36:03,799
Dave's passed,
and he's in his chair.
2127
01:36:03,924 --> 01:36:06,205
I didn't go in the other room
to look at Dave either, man,
2128
01:36:06,301 --> 01:36:09,054
"cause that's not the way
I remember those guys.
2129
01:36:09,179 --> 01:36:10,657
I remember those guys
2130
01:36:10,681 --> 01:36:15,602
as fierce players
and great friends.
2131
01:36:17,604 --> 01:36:19,106
We learned this with Cory.
2132
01:36:19,231 --> 01:36:20,565
Like, the thing you got to do
2133
01:36:20,691 --> 01:36:23,026
is you've got to tell
the important people
2134
01:36:23,151 --> 01:36:26,530
before they find out,
before it hits the news.
2135
01:36:26,655 --> 01:36:28,135
So it was like,
I'm gonna have to call
2136
01:36:28,198 --> 01:36:30,659
a bunch of my old friends
and give them bad news.
2137
01:36:30,784 --> 01:36:33,412
But I'd rather them hear it
from me.
2138
01:36:33,537 --> 01:36:35,038
Brad called me.
2139
01:36:35,163 --> 01:36:37,332
And the minute I saw
his phone number on my phone,
2140
01:36:37,457 --> 01:36:41,586
I knew it was real,
and I broke down pretty hard.
2141
01:36:41,712 --> 01:36:43,338
I still can't talk about it.
2142
01:36:43,463 --> 01:36:47,467
I break down every time
I even start thinking about it.
2143
01:36:48,260 --> 01:36:49,803
Derks called me.
2144
01:36:49,928 --> 01:36:52,222
And I'm glad it was Derks
that called me.
2145
01:36:53,181 --> 01:36:54,182
I don't know why.
2146
01:36:54,308 --> 01:36:57,019
But it was...
2147
01:36:57,769 --> 01:37:01,023
Man, you know, try to wrap
your head around that.
2148
01:37:01,148 --> 01:37:02,899
Dave fucking Brockie?
2149
01:37:03,025 --> 01:37:05,319
Guy's a fucking bull.
2150
01:37:05,444 --> 01:37:06,945
I couldn't process it.
2151
01:37:07,070 --> 01:37:09,531
I still have
his fucking phone number,
2152
01:37:09,656 --> 01:37:11,867
and I go back through our texts
all the time...
2153
01:37:11,992 --> 01:37:13,702
Just random shit.
2154
01:37:13,827 --> 01:37:18,707
He would text me constantly...
"Love you, buddy. Miss ya."
2155
01:37:18,832 --> 01:37:21,418
I got a call
while I was working that day,
2156
01:37:21,543 --> 01:37:22,794
and...
2157
01:37:24,671 --> 01:37:25,797
It sucked.
2158
01:37:25,922 --> 01:37:28,925
I mean, I cried out.
I remember that.
2159
01:37:29,718 --> 01:37:31,928
It just was crushing me
2160
01:37:32,054 --> 01:37:35,390
to think about them losing
everything...
2161
01:37:35,515 --> 01:37:38,935
Like, losing Dave and
at the same time losing their...
2162
01:37:39,061 --> 01:37:40,979
everything they'd worked for,
you know?
2163
01:37:41,104 --> 01:37:45,233
Like, staring that in the face.
2164
01:37:45,359 --> 01:37:48,403
I assumed that it was over,
you know?
2165
01:37:48,528 --> 01:37:49,738
And I was fine with that,
2166
01:37:49,863 --> 01:37:51,865
because losing someone
like Dave Brockie
2167
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:54,785
is a lot more important to me
than losing a job, you know?
2168
01:37:54,910 --> 01:37:56,912
Like, I was like,
"I can go get another job.
2169
01:37:57,037 --> 01:37:59,164
There's no more Dave Brockie.
2170
01:37:59,289 --> 01:38:02,084
You can't replace that."
2171
01:38:02,209 --> 01:38:05,170
He was the most
energetic, enthusiastic,
2172
01:38:05,295 --> 01:38:08,548
prolific front man any band
could ever have asked for.
2173
01:38:08,673 --> 01:38:11,468
And we were damn lucky
to have him.
2174
01:38:13,178 --> 01:38:14,697
We all freak out
on this planet.
2175
01:38:14,721 --> 01:38:16,056
We all get confused.
2176
01:38:16,181 --> 01:38:18,517
We all do the lower things
sometimes.
2177
01:38:18,642 --> 01:38:21,103
But when you really
lose someone,
2178
01:38:21,228 --> 01:38:25,732
all that noise of confusion
between you goes away,
2179
01:38:25,857 --> 01:38:28,944
and you realize the only thing
that really matters is love.
2180
01:38:31,238 --> 01:38:33,782
So that's what I remembered.
2181
01:38:37,577 --> 01:38:39,329
Totally.
2182
01:38:43,333 --> 01:38:44,501
And I called Hunter.
2183
01:38:44,626 --> 01:38:47,337
And, you know, I had a number
2184
01:38:47,462 --> 01:38:49,022
that I wasn't sure
if it was his or not.
2185
01:38:49,131 --> 01:38:51,383
And he told me never to call I,
you know?
2186
01:38:51,508 --> 01:38:54,261
But I was like, "Well, you know,
Dave Brockie just died,
2187
01:38:54,386 --> 01:38:55,887
so I'm calling this number."
2188
01:38:56,012 --> 01:39:00,892
Bob Gorman called me
and told me that he had died
2189
01:39:01,017 --> 01:39:02,727
and all like that.
2190
01:39:02,853 --> 01:39:06,398
But I didn't want to go
to his funeral because...
2191
01:39:06,523 --> 01:39:10,777
you know, I hated the guy,
and I didn't want to...
2192
01:39:10,902 --> 01:39:13,488
Who knows what I might say,
you know?
2193
01:39:13,613 --> 01:39:17,492
I was like,
"Man, you know, like...
2194
01:39:17,617 --> 01:39:19,995
I know you hate us all
and everything,"
2195
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:22,247
but I was like, "This guy
was a big part of your life
2196
01:39:22,372 --> 01:39:25,959
and, like, part of something
that you guys gave the world."
2197
01:39:26,084 --> 01:39:28,086
I said everything
I wanted say to him.
2198
01:39:28,211 --> 01:39:30,797
He knows how I felt about him.
2199
01:39:30,922 --> 01:39:35,635
I just feel like his story came
to its logical conclusion.
2200
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:39,306
It's too bad, but... yeah.
2201
01:39:41,933 --> 01:39:43,685
That's how it is.
2202
01:39:46,605 --> 01:39:48,315
When I was a kid,
2203
01:39:48,440 --> 01:39:50,543
I used to think the worst thing
that could possibly happen
2204
01:39:50,567 --> 01:39:52,327
is if, like, I would be
at the end of my life
2205
01:39:52,402 --> 01:39:54,362
and look back and go,
"You just fucked up.
2206
01:39:54,488 --> 01:39:55,780
You didn't do anything.
2207
01:39:55,906 --> 01:39:59,618
You, uh, you just... blew it,"
right?
2208
01:39:59,743 --> 01:40:01,411
And I don't feel that way.
2209
01:40:01,536 --> 01:40:04,498
It's like, when I met these guys
that we created GWAR together,
2210
01:40:04,623 --> 01:40:06,416
it really gave my life meaning.
2211
01:40:06,541 --> 01:40:08,251
I mean, if you're an artist
or a musician,
2212
01:40:08,376 --> 01:40:10,337
it's very fucking difficult...
2213
01:40:10,462 --> 01:40:11,772
- Yes, it is.
- BROCKIE... to make a living.
2214
01:40:11,796 --> 01:40:14,341
So, somehow,
we've been able to do it.
2215
01:40:14,466 --> 01:40:18,345
And there's not a second
that I'm not just absolutely,
2216
01:40:18,470 --> 01:40:20,347
count my lucky stars,
my blessings,
2217
01:40:20,472 --> 01:40:23,558
and all the fans that have
supported us for so many years.
2218
01:40:23,683 --> 01:40:26,686
That is the greatest thing
as an artist that you can get.
2219
01:40:39,407 --> 01:40:44,204
Oderus! Oderus! Oderus!
2220
01:40:44,329 --> 01:40:48,458
Oderus! Oderus! Oderus!
2221
01:40:48,583 --> 01:40:51,628
Oderus! Oderus! Oderus!
2222
01:40:51,753 --> 01:40:53,463
When I get to three,
2223
01:40:53,588 --> 01:40:57,175
I just want you to scream
at the top of your lungs
2224
01:40:57,300 --> 01:41:00,262
so that Dave can hear you,
all right?
2225
01:41:00,804 --> 01:41:04,599
And you'll be amazed
at how good this feels.
2226
01:41:04,724 --> 01:41:07,686
And it's something that he did
all the fucking time.
2227
01:41:09,563 --> 01:41:11,690
One.
2228
01:41:11,815 --> 01:41:13,608
Two.
2229
01:41:13,733 --> 01:41:14,818
Three.
2230
01:41:38,633 --> 01:41:40,385
When we lost Dave,
2231
01:41:40,510 --> 01:41:44,764
I mean, we pretty much assumed
that that would be it for GWAR.
2232
01:41:44,889 --> 01:41:50,395
But, you know,
it's just such a huge thing...
2233
01:41:51,354 --> 01:41:54,941
...that we had all been working
on and dedicating our lives to.
2234
01:41:55,066 --> 01:41:59,529
And... there's so much more
to this band
2235
01:41:59,654 --> 01:42:01,698
than any one person
could put into it,
2236
01:42:01,823 --> 01:42:06,369
even though he did put more
than anyone.
2237
01:42:09,247 --> 01:42:10,749
You have so many people
2238
01:42:10,874 --> 01:42:13,627
that have been in and out
of this band since day one.
2239
01:42:13,752 --> 01:42:15,420
I mean, hundreds.
2240
01:42:15,545 --> 01:42:18,131
At least 100 people probably
have been, one way or another,
2241
01:42:18,256 --> 01:42:21,259
considered to be
an active member of GWAR.
2242
01:42:21,384 --> 01:42:24,346
And when you lose somebody
in a band
2243
01:42:24,471 --> 01:42:28,516
that's such a big group
of people, you can't just say,
2244
01:42:28,642 --> 01:42:30,477
"Well, that's it,"
and it's over.
2245
01:42:30,602 --> 01:42:33,355
You know, I fell in
love with GWAR when I was a fan,
2246
01:42:33,480 --> 01:42:36,691
and then to be part of it,
it's just been amazing.
2247
01:42:36,816 --> 01:42:39,444
You know, it's hard to let
that die on the vine,
2248
01:42:39,569 --> 01:42:41,655
'cause you're just like,
"This thing is so cool."
2249
01:42:41,780 --> 01:42:46,534
And you want that magic that
you saw as a fan to perpetuate.
2250
01:42:46,660 --> 01:42:49,788
You want to share that
with other people.
2251
01:42:49,913 --> 01:42:53,249
After Dave passed, I'm like,
"What the hell are we gonna do?"
2252
01:42:53,375 --> 01:42:58,004
We know that Dave would have
wanted us and GWAR to go on.
2253
01:42:58,129 --> 01:43:01,758
You know, he'd even talked
about it in interviews.
2254
01:43:01,883 --> 01:43:06,137
And the only person...
The only person that, you know,
2255
01:43:06,262 --> 01:43:10,308
most of us thought could even
have a chance of doing it,
2256
01:43:10,433 --> 01:43:14,187
let alone us getting excited
about, was Mike Bishop.
2257
01:43:14,312 --> 01:43:16,856
In the early years,
he was part of the spirit.
2258
01:43:16,981 --> 01:43:18,525
He was like the heart
of the band.
2259
01:43:18,650 --> 01:43:21,069
And to bring him back,
2260
01:43:21,194 --> 01:43:23,154
you know, was the only thing
that made sense.
2261
01:43:23,279 --> 01:43:25,407
We thought,
"Well, that's gonna be the thing
2262
01:43:25,532 --> 01:43:26,991
that could actually work."
2263
01:43:27,117 --> 01:43:29,577
Not only that, but I remember
him saying to me
2264
01:43:29,703 --> 01:43:31,496
that he came back...
2265
01:43:31,621 --> 01:43:36,626
He's like... He's like,
"I can help heal you guys
2266
01:43:36,751 --> 01:43:39,003
as well as be the singer."
2267
01:43:40,505 --> 01:43:43,925
I mean, they were
hurting, without doubt.
2268
01:43:44,050 --> 01:43:47,804
And I tried hard to...
2269
01:43:48,722 --> 01:43:52,142
...to do what I could to make
that pain less for them.
2270
01:43:52,267 --> 01:43:54,394
I did.
And singing was part of it.
2271
01:43:54,519 --> 01:43:57,939
Like, making it so that
they could keep going
2272
01:43:58,064 --> 01:44:01,401
felt like service to them
and to Dave.
2273
01:44:01,526 --> 01:44:05,572
You know, so, I mean, it wasn't
hard for me to figure out.
2274
01:44:07,490 --> 01:44:11,161
# The world has never looked
so dark #
2275
01:44:11,286 --> 01:44:15,165
# The pain never felt so bad #
2276
01:44:15,290 --> 01:44:18,460
# Is it wrong to try to go on? #
2277
01:44:18,585 --> 01:44:23,131
# It's all we ever had #
2278
01:44:23,256 --> 01:44:27,093
# Will you ever scream again #
2279
01:44:27,218 --> 01:44:30,513
# Your battle hymn? #
2280
01:44:30,638 --> 01:44:33,933
# I can feel you #
2281
01:44:34,058 --> 01:44:36,686
# Like a phantom limb #
2282
01:44:36,811 --> 01:44:38,313
We still get a lot of,
2283
01:44:38,438 --> 01:44:40,238
you know, "Without Brockie,
there is no GWAR,"
2284
01:44:40,273 --> 01:44:42,734
and blah-blah-blah,
and Derks said it best...
2285
01:44:42,859 --> 01:44:46,154
"Yeah, ever since your grandma
died, your family sucks."
2286
01:44:46,279 --> 01:44:47,489
You know?
2287
01:44:47,614 --> 01:44:49,991
It's just such a shitty thing
to say
2288
01:44:50,116 --> 01:44:52,368
to guys who knew Dave
better than anyone
2289
01:44:52,494 --> 01:44:54,496
and loved him
more than anybody else.
2290
01:44:54,621 --> 01:44:56,539
It's his legacy.
2291
01:44:56,664 --> 01:45:00,043
He devoted his entire life GWAR.
2292
01:45:00,168 --> 01:45:02,128
It's just the way
I knew those guys would want it.
2293
01:45:02,170 --> 01:45:05,089
They wouldn't want us to stop
because they weren't here.
2294
01:45:05,215 --> 01:45:06,800
GWAR's never stopped.
2295
01:45:06,925 --> 01:45:09,177
We've had a million people
in the band come and go,
2296
01:45:09,302 --> 01:45:11,429
and GWAR always goes on.
2297
01:45:13,515 --> 01:45:15,725
We're on the Warped Tour
in 2017.
2298
01:45:15,850 --> 01:45:18,937
I mean, like, Derks was resting
a lot, and he was tired.
2299
01:45:19,062 --> 01:45:21,481
And one day he was, like,
school-bus yellow.
2300
01:45:21,606 --> 01:45:23,483
I kind of collapsed onstage,
2301
01:45:23,608 --> 01:45:25,735
and it sent me
to the emergency room.
2302
01:45:25,860 --> 01:45:28,029
And the band had to go on
without me.
2303
01:45:28,154 --> 01:45:30,490
And it took months,
2304
01:45:30,615 --> 01:45:34,118
and finally, I was diagnosed
with myelofibrosis.
2305
01:45:34,244 --> 01:45:36,871
I told Mike once
a long time ago...
2306
01:45:36,996 --> 01:45:39,749
And especially
when he was sick...
2307
01:45:39,874 --> 01:45:41,811
I was like, "Look, I don't know
what you're gonna do,
2308
01:45:41,835 --> 01:45:43,878
if you're gonna stay, go,
you know, whatever,
2309
01:45:44,003 --> 01:45:46,798
but whatever you do,
take me with you."
2310
01:45:48,675 --> 01:45:50,218
Having to sit at home
in the summer
2311
01:45:50,343 --> 01:45:51,678
when they were out
on Warped Tour
2312
01:45:51,803 --> 01:45:53,322
was probably the hardest thing
in my life,
2313
01:45:53,346 --> 01:45:56,391
to know that this band
that I helped to create
2314
01:45:56,516 --> 01:46:01,479
and bring this far
was out there playing...
2315
01:46:09,696 --> 01:46:12,240
...and to not be part of it.
2316
01:46:14,993 --> 01:46:17,370
I've known him
for a really long time.
2317
01:46:17,495 --> 01:46:20,206
He's not the most outspoken guy.
2318
01:46:20,331 --> 01:46:23,501
He's a pretty intelligent,
really sensitive human being.
2319
01:46:23,626 --> 01:46:24,711
And it's, uh...
2320
01:46:25,295 --> 01:46:26,796
And I love him.
2321
01:46:26,921 --> 01:46:29,716
And I'm so glad that he made it
through that shit.
2322
01:46:29,841 --> 01:46:31,718
I really am.
2323
01:46:33,261 --> 01:46:35,763
And I like playing music
with him.
2324
01:46:35,889 --> 01:46:37,765
And I'm glad
I still get to do it.
2325
01:46:37,891 --> 01:46:39,601
It's just the best.
2326
01:46:39,726 --> 01:46:42,228
The transfusion
was a total success,
2327
01:46:42,353 --> 01:46:46,608
and I'm getting ready
to go out again this fall.
2328
01:46:46,733 --> 01:46:49,694
The cancer's in 100% remission.
2329
01:46:52,405 --> 01:46:55,491
And I'm feeling great.
2330
01:46:55,617 --> 01:46:58,578
I know GWAR is kind of stronger
for it in a way.
2331
01:46:58,703 --> 01:47:02,540
They, uh...
Like, we just pull it together.
2332
01:47:02,665 --> 01:47:05,209
The world needs a GWAR,
you know?
2333
01:47:05,335 --> 01:47:06,419
It needs GWAR.
2334
01:47:06,544 --> 01:47:08,171
It needs it to smack it around
2335
01:47:08,296 --> 01:47:11,424
and tell it what to do and
tell it why it looks like shit
2336
01:47:11,549 --> 01:47:14,427
and tell it why it sucks,
you know?
2337
01:47:14,552 --> 01:47:16,888
And hopefully,
there'd be some beauty in that.
2338
01:47:17,013 --> 01:47:19,974
# Fuck this place #
2339
01:47:20,558 --> 01:47:21,935
# Fuck this place #
2340
01:47:23,436 --> 01:47:25,521
# Fuck this place #
2341
01:47:26,981 --> 01:47:27,982
# Fuck this place #
2342
01:47:31,819 --> 01:47:35,573
# Sexecutioner #
2343
01:47:36,908 --> 01:47:38,076
# Oh #
2344
01:47:39,661 --> 01:47:41,913
# One, two, three #
2345
01:47:42,038 --> 01:47:43,873
# Whoo! #
2346
01:47:46,417 --> 01:47:49,337
# Slymenstra Hymen #
2347
01:47:52,006 --> 01:47:55,510
Hello, little boys.
2348
01:47:55,635 --> 01:47:58,179
# Sleazy P #
2349
01:48:00,056 --> 01:48:01,599
We're a team.
2350
01:48:03,226 --> 01:48:05,395
# GWAR Woman #
2351
01:48:21,744 --> 01:48:23,955
Once you've been in that band,
2352
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:25,999
you're always in that band.
2353
01:48:26,124 --> 01:48:28,751
I talk about GWAR,
even though my career,
2354
01:48:28,876 --> 01:48:31,212
I am in a band
called Rise Against.
2355
01:48:31,337 --> 01:48:34,007
But I'm forever in GWAR.
2356
01:48:34,132 --> 01:48:35,842
And that's my family,
you know, still.
2357
01:48:55,278 --> 01:48:56,904
It's amazing.
2358
01:48:57,030 --> 01:48:58,841
I've gotten to hang out
with one of my best friends
2359
01:48:58,865 --> 01:49:01,909
that I haven't been able to hang
out with in a really long time.
2360
01:49:02,035 --> 01:49:05,204
It's like we picked
right back up where we left off.
2361
01:49:05,329 --> 01:49:07,457
And even though we've had
our differences
2362
01:49:07,582 --> 01:49:10,209
and there's been some static
between us,
2363
01:49:10,334 --> 01:49:11,961
overall, man, he's my friend,
you know?
2364
01:49:13,463 --> 01:49:15,256
And it's nice
to have my friend back.
2365
01:49:15,381 --> 01:49:16,507
You know?
2366
01:49:16,632 --> 01:49:18,968
So... Yeah.
2367
01:49:25,475 --> 01:49:29,228
Chaos has been what's
made this band move forward
2368
01:49:29,353 --> 01:49:30,730
for 30-some years.
2369
01:49:30,855 --> 01:49:32,982
And it's crazy
when you think about it.
2370
01:49:33,107 --> 01:49:34,776
There's nothing else like this.
2371
01:49:37,487 --> 01:49:39,864
We're doing
more things than ever...
2372
01:49:39,989 --> 01:49:42,492
The festival,
a lot of different endorsements.
2373
01:49:42,617 --> 01:49:44,535
Matt's got the comics going on.
2374
01:49:44,660 --> 01:49:48,164
I just put together
GWAR's first museum show.
2375
01:49:48,289 --> 01:49:49,373
The GWAR Bar.
2376
01:49:49,499 --> 01:49:50,917
When Dave died,
2377
01:49:51,042 --> 01:49:53,419
we were months away
from getting the bar open,
2378
01:49:53,544 --> 01:49:55,880
and now it's kind of like
a little GWAR museum
2379
01:49:56,005 --> 01:49:57,590
that you can get drunk in.
2380
01:49:57,715 --> 01:50:00,802
You don't do GWAR
because you want to get rich.
2381
01:50:00,927 --> 01:50:02,807
You don't do GWAR
'cause you want to get famous.
2382
01:50:02,845 --> 01:50:05,932
You do GWAR
because you fucking love it.
2383
01:50:06,808 --> 01:50:08,226
I didn't get rich off this.
2384
01:50:08,351 --> 01:50:10,311
I've put a lot of my life
into it,
2385
01:50:10,436 --> 01:50:14,524
and I wouldn't trade it
for anything at this point.
2386
01:50:14,649 --> 01:50:17,777
I can't believe it's been
the defining thing in my life
2387
01:50:17,902 --> 01:50:19,382
and I'm still doing it
30 years later.
2388
01:50:19,487 --> 01:50:21,531
But it's made meaning
out of my life,
2389
01:50:21,656 --> 01:50:24,325
and I've enjoyed every bit
of it, even the horrible shit.
2390
01:50:24,450 --> 01:50:26,953
So, like, I'm proud
of everybody I work with
2391
01:50:27,078 --> 01:50:29,163
and everything we've done,
even the crappy stuff.
2392
01:50:29,288 --> 01:50:31,332
So, like,
try and find another GWAR.
2393
01:50:31,457 --> 01:50:32,667
There's not one.
2394
01:50:32,792 --> 01:50:35,461
That's something to be said
for that.
2395
01:50:41,843 --> 01:50:46,472
GWAR lives, motherfucker!
2396
01:50:46,597 --> 01:50:48,659
Yeah, man.
2397
01:50:48,683 --> 01:50:51,644
I've had just 12 concussions
in this band,
2398
01:50:51,769 --> 01:50:53,354
and the doctor was like...
2399
01:50:53,479 --> 01:50:55,106
The last one,
he was just like,
2400
01:50:55,231 --> 01:50:56,667
"What line of work are you in
again?"
2401
01:50:58,568 --> 01:51:02,280
He's like, "You should probably
find some other line of work."
2402
01:51:18,129 --> 01:51:20,049
# Your socks, they smell,
your feet, they stink #
2403
01:51:20,089 --> 01:51:21,716
# You never take a bath #
2404
01:51:21,841 --> 01:51:23,593
# Your nose, it runs,
you bust your buns #
2405
01:51:23,718 --> 01:51:25,636
# You always finish last #
2406
01:51:25,761 --> 01:51:26,761
- Sick! #
- Sick! #
2407
01:51:26,846 --> 01:51:27,638
- # Oft #
- # Oft #
2408
01:51:27,763 --> 01:51:29,182
# You #
2409
01:51:29,307 --> 01:51:32,768
# I'm so sick, so sick of you #
2410
01:51:32,894 --> 01:51:33,895
- Sick! #
- Sick! #
2411
01:51:34,020 --> 01:51:34,812
- # Oft #
- # Oft #
2412
01:51:34,937 --> 01:51:36,355
# You #
2413
01:51:36,480 --> 01:51:37,982
# I'm so sick #
2414
01:51:38,107 --> 01:51:42,153
# So sick of you, ooh,
ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh #
2415
01:51:42,278 --> 01:51:44,113
# Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh #
2416
01:51:54,874 --> 01:51:56,250
# Sick! Of! #
2417
01:51:56,375 --> 01:51:58,336
# You! #
2418
01:51:58,461 --> 01:52:01,130
# I'm so sick, so sick of you #
2419
01:52:01,255 --> 01:52:03,633
# I'm sick! Of! #
2420
01:52:03,758 --> 01:52:05,343
# You! #
2421
01:52:05,468 --> 01:52:08,471
# I'm so sick, so sick of you #
2422
01:52:08,596 --> 01:52:10,431
# I'm sick of you #
2423
01:52:10,556 --> 01:52:12,475
# I'm sick of you #
2424
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:16,062
# I'm so sick, so sick of you #
2425
01:52:16,187 --> 01:52:17,688
# I'm sick of you #
2426
01:52:17,813 --> 01:52:19,732
# I'm sick of you #
2427
01:52:19,857 --> 01:52:23,027
# I'm so sick, so sick of you #
2428
01:52:23,152 --> 01:52:25,279
# I'm sick! Of! #
2429
01:52:25,404 --> 01:52:26,989
# You! #
2430
01:52:27,114 --> 01:52:30,243
# I'm so sick, so sick of you #
2431
01:52:30,368 --> 01:52:34,580
# I'm sick, sick, sick, sick,
sick, sick, sick, sick #
2432
01:52:34,705 --> 01:52:35,998
# I'm so sick #
2433
01:52:36,123 --> 01:52:38,251
# So motherfuckin'
titty-suckin' #
2434
01:52:38,376 --> 01:52:40,836
# God damn, don't you know it,
I am fuckin'... #
2435
01:52:40,962 --> 01:52:45,132
# Sick of you #
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