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I think there was a real
terror inside of Roger.
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This wanting to be liked,
wanting to be somebody.
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He said, I'm writing a book
about my life for my son
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because when I go, people are
going to say awful things about me
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and I want him to know
that that's not all his dad was.
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I think Roger thought he could
control the little genie in the bottle
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and he couldn't
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and here we are.
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It's easy to make
somebody into a monster.
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It's hard to see that
you're on that path too.
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We are about four hours away
from history here in Cleveland.
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A man with no previous
political experience,
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a real estate mogul, a reality
TV star, a millionaire businessman
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is about to take his place at the
top of the GOP presidential ticket.
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It was a big moment
of triumph for Fox News.
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Joe, what an amazing
moment. This is emotional.
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It was unthinkable that Donald Trump
as a candidate would exist without them.
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About an hour from now,
mister Trump and his family
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will arrive here via his helicopter and they
will quite literally hover over our cameras.
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It was like a hall of mirrors. You
couldn't look anywhere and not see Roger.
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He had his people everywhere
operating behind the scenes.
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People who were extremely loyal
to him and who would defend him
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with every little weapon
they had in their arsenal.
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He was the king.
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A powerful, influential person
who changed the country.
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And the Republican Convention should
have been this crowning moment for Roger.
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But instead he was
embroiled in chaos.
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Actually if you'd stand by David, we're
going to hold you over to the next block
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and I'll tell our
viewers at home why.
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It's because we have some
breaking news to tell you about here.
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This is very big news from the
world of politics, the world of media.
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And the is that Roger Ailes has
now resigned as chairman and CEO
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of the Fox News Channel
and Fox Business Network.
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The man who created conservative
leaning Fox News two decades ago
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was forced out over
allegations of sexual harassment.
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I'm Gretchen Carlson.
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Journalist Gretchen Carlson taking on
Fox News Chairman and CEO Roger Ailes.
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Ailes called Carlson's allegations offensive and
defamatory and said that they would be vigorously defended.
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He's said we are going to blow
these people out of the water.
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We are going to destroy them.
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And she'll be sorry she
ever started this thing.
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Roger is the man who almost single handedly
built Fox News Channel from absolutely nothing
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into the most watched
news operation in all of cable.
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Revolutionary in American
politics, shaper of American history.
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Was in the Nixon White House, worked on
the re-election campaign for Ronald Reagan.
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You could really credit Roger Ailes with
helping to create three Republican presidents.
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I could not be more proud tonight
to present to you our next president,
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Donald J. Trump.
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It's ironic that on the eve of Donald
Trump's coronation as the Republican nominee,
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the ultimate Republican king maker Roger
Ailes was to have his kingdom taken away.
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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen,
the next president of the United States,
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mister Donald J. Trump.
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Divide and Conquer:
The Story of Roger Ailes
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First, I want to put
a disclaimer here.
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Anything I say
tonight is my fault.
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I don't speak for Fox News and
I'm not speaking for Rupert Murdoch.
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I take full and complete responsibility
because nobody else wants it, frankly.
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My personal view is we have a
desperate need to return to the basics.
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Common sense things
we all learned as kids.
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God, family, country. Pay the
bills, work hard, help your neighbor.
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The New York and
Hollywood elites,
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they think their job is to drag the rest
of the redneck morons toward the light.
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They don't understand the
people that grew up with values.
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I first met Roger Ailes
in junior high school.
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In civics class,
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we would have debates about like the race between Eisenhower
and Stevenson and I was a closet Stevenson person.
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But the arguments that Roger would make
in favor of Eisenhower were so persuasive
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that I thought, I don't agree
with you but I see your point.
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We all wanted to be like Roger.
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He was witty and
intelligent, mercilessly funny.
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Also, Roger was the handsomest
young man you can imagine.
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Warren was a beautiful,
clean, wonderful city.
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Everywhere you look, there was something
historic or you know, traditional or patriotic.
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And you felt it.
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It was part of being
from Warren, Ohio.
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Roger's father was
a factory foreman
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and he was a very
important figure to him.
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He's like one of those prophets
from the Old Testament.
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Very stern.
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My dad was a tough guy.
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He hit us with a belt.
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Did your dad hit
you with a belt?
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I was terrified
but I love my dad.
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His father was a union
man who hated the unions.
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Who who was
frightened of the unions.
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He said to Roger, mark my words.
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Liberals will destroy this town.
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Now, it's unfair to
say that they did that,
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but in the 70s, that
prophecy came true.
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And Roger saw all
the industry move out.
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Their livelihood
was gone overnight
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and he saw the pride that
people had disappearing too.
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Roger lived his
whole life in fear.
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A physical real fear
of bleeding to death.
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Had hemophilia diagnosed
when he was about four years old.
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But he was a survivor
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and he operated fearlessly
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like a lot of people who
have real fears often do.
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I had a condition that was
passed through women.
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In other words, the mother
has to give you hemophilia.
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I don't know that that had anything to do with it
but I was never particularly physical with my mother.
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I think she was scared of it.
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She may have had some feeling
about the fact that I got it from her.
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Roger's daily life was
a fear of annihilation.
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He said, it's like you walk around
all your life with a time bomb in you.
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And I think this allowed him to
understand the fears of other people.
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You're in danger, I'm in danger.
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We're at war and this
is not going to stop.
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We gotta understand what's in our country and
take out the people that want to see us die.
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You're seeing them come out of
the shadows, come out of the cave.
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Picture is really shocking.
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Jihad right here
on our own soil.
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This is the ultimate
battle of good versus evil.
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We need to kill them.
We need to kill them.
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If a picture paints
a thousand words,
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then why can't I paint you?
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I used to be a production
assistant for Mike Douglas.
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I ran sandwiches for the
stars and I moved up quickly.
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I learned if your audience likes you, they'll
forgive just about everything else you do wrong.
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The Mike Douglas Show was the
only daytime talk show at that time.
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And we did it five
days a week, live.
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I co-created the
Mike Douglas Show
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and I booked all the big stars.
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Every actor in a movie,
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a lot of directors
would come through,
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plus there were animal acts,
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and obviously there were a lot of
dieting segments and that sort of thing.
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- Oh, something's on fire here.
- It'll go out.
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It was just fun.
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Roger was an associate
producer on the show
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and a guy named Larry Rosen, who's
really next in line to be the producer.
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He was the first producer hired.
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He'd been on the show the longest next to
me and it was obviously going to be Larry.
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Roger convinced Mike that he would
be the better producer than Larry.
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And Roger became the producer
of the Mike Douglas Show.
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And that was a big shock
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because you couldn't
see him maneuvering.
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The only person that I saw
Roger Ailes ever really hit on
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was Richard Nixon.
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In 1968 during the
presidential campaign
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when he was going to be
running against Bobby Kennedy,
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Nixon came to Philadelphia,
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because like all politicians, he recognized the impact
that the Mike Douglas show had on millions of people.
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You look wonderful.
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Your sun tan,
you're rested looking.
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Yes.
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Have you ever regretted entering
politics at such a an early age?
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No.
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Politics of course
is a great battle.
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- All of life is great battle.
- Yes.
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After the show is over, Roger
pulled Nixon into his office
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just the two of them and
said you need a media adviser.
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What's a media adviser Roger?
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And Roger said "I am".
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"The title that I
just created, okay."
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You need someone that can shape you that can make you
presentable and the most palatable you can possibly be
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and get you elected president.
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And Nixon believed him.
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So Roger very soon after left the show
and went off to produce Richard Nixon.
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Let's face it. A lot of
people think Nixon is dull.
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They think he's a
bore, pain in the ass.
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We have a sound dollar.
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They look at him as the kind of
kid who always carry the book bag.
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Who was 42 years old
the day he was born.
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They figure other kids
got footballs for Christmas.
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Nixon got a briefcase
and he loved it.
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Nixon needed someone who had knowledge
of and command of the use of television.
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And that of course was reinforced
by what had happened in 1960.
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That was the
Nixon-Kennedy debate
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where Nixon loses to Kennedy
because he sweats on television.
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He looked bad.
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He had not put on makeup.
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And even his own mother was
calling in and asking how her son was.
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Was he okay?
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And of course Kennedy
went on to become president.
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So Roger told Nixon
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if you don't take television seriously
this time you're going to lose again.
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I'm going to fire this fucking
director right after the show.
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I mean, look at the
positioning of these cameras.
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I told him 50 times
I want close ups.
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Close ups!
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I want to see faces. I want to
see pores. That's what people are.
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That's what television is.
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I don't give a fuck
about the seats.
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I gave up 30 seats
to get a tight show.
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Roger and I had had many
conversations about the power of the media
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and particularly the great Nazi propaganda
film by Leni Riefenstahl, Triumph of the Will.
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And I talked to Roger a lot about the specific camera
angles that she used to make Hitler seem heroic.
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And about putting it in
the right kind of setting,
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which made it so powerful.
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And Roger told me really thought about that
when we created for Nixon the man in the arena.
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Tonight from Philadelphia, live
and in color, Nixon in Pennsylvania.
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Tonight, Richard Nixon in person is going to face a panel
of citizens asking the questions they want answered.
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He put him in the arena
surrounded by the audience
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and it was an amazing
propaganda piece.
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I'd like to stress the point
that this is a live program.
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No one has any idea what
questions will be asked.
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Mister Nixon cannot
possibly know.
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Tonight from Atlanta,
the Nixon answer.
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You have to have the big stroke for the federal government
in order to handle a particular problem like that.
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Richard Nixon.
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We've got the power. We've got
a wonderfully motivated people.
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Richard Nixon.
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TELEVISION AND POLITICS
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Good evening, I'm Mike Wallace.
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For better or worse,
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television has changed the nature of
the political process in the United States.
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This year, another
innovation was tried,
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the controlled discussion with the
questioners picked by the candidates producer.
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Roger Ailes was that producer
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and in the book The
Selling of the President,
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he was given a good share of
the credit for the successful format.
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In your estimation, is television the single most
important factor in a winning political campaign?
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Let me put it this way, I don't believe anyone will ever be elected
to a major public office again, including mayors of big cities
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without the skillful
use of television.
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And that skillful use,
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is that an illumination
of the issues
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or an emotional cell
of the man involved.
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I think both.
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I think both. I don't think you
can isolate one or the other.
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I think that there's an emotional reaction to what
you see on the screen regardless of what it is.
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When I was first
reporting on Fox News,
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everyone knew what
Roger Ailes history was,
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that he was an aide to Nixon and
and other Republican presidents
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but it was kind of
below the radar.
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So, I filed information requests
with the Nixon Archives.
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One of the things that I discovered
was this astonishing document
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called "A plan to
put the GOP on TV".
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Its author is unclear.
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However, the copy that I obtained
had Roger Ailes handwriting all over it
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and notes that were
directed to H. R. Haldeman,
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a top aide in the
Nixon White House.
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And the memo said the Liberal Elite has a
choke hold on the national news networks.
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But local television stations in Wisconsin
and in Utah have their own news programs
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and they are hungry for footage.
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So it was a proposal that
the Nixon White House
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with taxpayer dollars
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fund an operation that would interview
Republican members of Congress in Washington
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and fly the footage
to these local stations
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so that they can get a
message out to their constituents
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without having to rely
on the institutional press.
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And Roger Ailes is all
over it saying I can do this.
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Now, it never happened,
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but the idea, the germ goes straight
into what Fox News is all about.
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How do we get a message to the people without
having to go through a critical press?
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I think that Roger
was a kind of genius
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in the sense that he created
something that didn't exist before
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and I think that there is a
"Citizen Kane" quality to his life.
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And I remember
he told me this story
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that when he was a boy he and his brother
had bunk beds and Roger was on the top bunk
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and his dad walked in and
opened up his arms and said
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jump, Roger, jump and Roger
jumped and his father stepped away
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and Roger fell on the ground.
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And his father looked
down on him and he said,
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don't trust anybody.
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And I still have an image of Roger's
face when he would tell me that.
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I felt like he was searching.
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He was like, how could
my dad do that to me?
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So there was a lot of anger.
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There was a lot of anger.
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And I think he
capitalized on that.
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Al D'Amato, a
family man fighting...
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Deukmejian, the
difference is leadership.
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I'm Dan Quayle, I'm very
optimistic about our future.
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Ailes Communications did political
media consulting for congressional races,
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senatorial races,
gubernatorial races.
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When we were a small team doing 14 races
in 14 different states simultaneously.
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We did a lot of
executive coaching
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and we did political coaching.
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And because of the Nixon campaign and
the fact that he had pulled that thing off,
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you were lucky to get him
and you had to keep him happy.
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As Jefferson County Judge, Mitch McConnell won
national recognition for exceptional leadership.
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Mitch McConnell was a judge.
He was way down in the poles.
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He was going to lose.
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And Roger was hired to
do a bunch of commercials.
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So we were doing a fishing spot
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and we had him in the
boat, fishing rod in hand.
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We put a worm and
a fish on the hook,
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reeled it into the water and
then we hear this little voice go,
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"what do I do now, Rog?"
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And it was Mitch McConnell and
Roger looks at me and I look at him
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and Roger says, you know,
reel in the fucking fish, Mitch.
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Mitch didn't move
without listening to Roger.
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And a month later,
he's a US senator.
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I'm here with Roger Ailes who has been called
the Ernest Hemingway of campaign advisers.
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The bearded veteran of many
political wars, Roger Ailes,
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arrived early this morning
for a final day of practice.
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From 1984 to 1988, Roger was the
absolute number one Republican strategist.
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Roger Ailes, former TV man for Nixon,
was seen here in South Dakota this fall.
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We were in every
state in the country
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and Roger was a pivotal figure
in getting Ronald Reagan elected.
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He was like a king maker.
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And he knew that he could blow his opponents
out of the water and that's what he did.
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ROGER AILES: I HAVE
TO TAKE THE HEAT
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ALTERNATELY DEFIANT AND
TROUBLED ABOUT HIS NOTORIETY
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I remember I came
into the office one day
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and he said you may have
to take over for a few days,
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because I was arrested.
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I was carrying a
gun in Central Park,
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so I may go to jail.
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And I didn't know he had a gun
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but Roger was he was a Maverick,
he was a bad boy and he liked that.
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I know you've heard
people are afraid of me.
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I don't remember
threatening anybody
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but if somebody comes to me
looking for a fight, they might get one.
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My dad taught me how to fight.
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He said, remember
son, for them it's a fight,
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For you, it's life or death.
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And now to tonight's focus 88
coverage of the race for the White House.
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President Reagan is stomping in Texas trying
to help the George Bush for president campaign.
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An NBC News Wall Street Journal call shows Dukakis
beating Bush by 15 points in a head to head.
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Try it with the glasses.
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Bush is already
initiated damage control.
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Big Rog, how are
you? Glad to see you.
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First thing I did was
with George H.W. Bush.
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Roger was reading him
out for a production manager
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and when I realized
what it was which was,
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which was Republican
commercials,
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I said I don't think I really want
this I was always very liberal,
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but I needed a job.
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What's going on?
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Vice President Bush
was a real gentleman
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and I don't think he
understood the down and dirty,
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the world that
Roger could relate to.
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Roger always knew the lowest
common denominator in people.
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He knew how to strike at that.
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And I think that's why
George used Roger.
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He needed a bulldog. He needed
somebody who could play that game.
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And that might have been the beginning
of it of the negative really negative ads.
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Which candidate for president gave weekend passes to first
degree murderers who were not even eligible for parole?
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Michael Dukakis.
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Dukakis not only
opposes the death penalty,
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he allowed first-degree murderers
to have weekend passes from prison.
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One was Willie Horton who murdered a
boy in a robbery stabbing him 19 times.
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Despite a life sentence,
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Horton received 10
weekend passes from prison.
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Horton fled, kidnapped a young couple, stabbing
the man and repeatedly raping his girlfriend.
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Weekend prison
passes. Dukakis on Crime.
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The message of the Willie Horton
ad was if you elect Michael Dukakis,
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he's going to let all these black men out of prison
to come and stab your children, rape your wives.
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- Do you think it's racist?
- No, I don't think it's racist.
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I think the man I see there
is neither black nor white.
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If you put a white man up
there, would that be racist?
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That it has that effect of scaring the
difference out of white people, doesn't it?
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Well, the Bush campaign had
absolutely nothing to do with that ad.
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In fact, I wish it would
never have aired.
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He says he didn't
do the first one.
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The most controversy ad.
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But he certainly promoted the entire storyline
of Willie Horton and scary black men.
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While out, many
committed other crimes.
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It was revolutionary at
the time and it worked.
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Ladies and gentlemen, the
President of the United States.
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There are only a
handful of people
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who can so critically affect
the power in this country
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over decades and Roger
is absolutely one of them.
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And when you think about the people
who are running a country even now,
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all these senators and
congressman, he put them there.
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That's definitely Roger.
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Because his stories about Nixon or everybody else.
It was what he did for them. How he made them.
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You know, without them they
would not be where they are.
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And so everyone
wanted to be in his sphere.
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Everybody.
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You know he was
the big guy right?
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Did he take advantage of
that? I don't I don't know.
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I don't know.
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Everybody has an agenda.
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He used to say that a lot
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and you have to see
what it is that they're after
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and then you can
manipulate them that way.
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I think he liked to pick on
the people who needed him,
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who were vulnerable.
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Not just women, but
women were easy targets.
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You know, and anybody who
looked up to who wanted to be there,
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you know, who thought, oh, I'm at the
top of my game if I'm working with Roger.
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Like Judy, his secretary,
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she worshiped him
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and I knew anything I said to her was
basically talking in his ear at the same time.
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Was she his mistress then?
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I can't say that I
saw it specifically,
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but there were, I mean, it
seemed a universal acceptance
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that everybody knew it
and it was just a giggle.
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His wife, Norma, was
already staying at home a lot.
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She'd do a little bit in the editing room and
stuff but Judy was in constant contact with her.
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And I think that he kind of liked that he could sort of play
the mistress off of the wife and the wife off of the mistress.
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I think he was very insecure and he
needed that feeling of having a harem.
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It was like, look at me. Look at me. I got
em both and they do what I want them to do.
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My assistant can look at a room
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and say, watch the fourth guy
on the left, he hates your guts.
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Oh, she can read a room.
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She goes in,
she's very friendly.
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Asks if they want coffee and
they think she's the secretary,
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but she's reading the
room before I go in.
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I was a big fan of Roger Ailes.
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I had read his book and in
my industry, he was the man.
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My husband was working with CNBC
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and he said, Roger Ailes is coming
in. Would you like to meet him?
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So, I thought that
sounded wonderful.
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We met in a restaurant
at Union Station
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and had a nice meeting
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and I mentioned to Roger that I was going to sign
a contract with one of the big national committees
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and this is a career
making contract.
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Once you hit that
level, you'd made it.
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But once we got into his car, we're
barely pulled away from Union Station
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and he leaned over and said,
you know, I can really help you
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but if you want to play with the big
boys, you have to lay with the big boys.
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It just came out of nowhere
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and it was very transactional.
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So one point I sort
of sarcastically said,
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well now, would I have to be
anybody else's special friend?
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And he said, well, you might have to give a few blowjobs
here and there but everyone will know you're with me.
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And a million thoughts were going
through my head. How do I get out of this?
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Because I didn't want to offend him and
risk some kind of struggle in the backseat.
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So I just said I'm I'm going to
think about it and I'll get back to you.
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And he said well you know if you don't agree
now there's a good chance you won't later on
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and I said well we're just
going to have to take that risk.
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So I dropped him off and I was just
remember shaking on the way back,
417
00:31:45,936 --> 00:31:47,320
Why did that happen?
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Why do I have to
put up with that?
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Why?
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So the next morning
thought that's behind me.
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I'm not going to see him again.
422
00:32:01,167 --> 00:32:05,719
So I went to the national committee for my
meeting which I had confirmed the day before
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and I got to the the front
desk and he said oh he's busy.
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That's strange.
425
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And the next day I got a
call from Roger Ailes at home.
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00:32:19,797 --> 00:32:21,397
And he said how
does your meeting go?
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00:32:21,890 --> 00:32:25,123
And I said well, very
strangely, it it didn't happen.
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00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,991
And he said no you'll
probably hear from them.
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What did you decide?
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00:32:30,913 --> 00:32:33,814
And I said I'm going
to have to pass Roger.
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It's just not something
I'm comfortable with.
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And he said okay
that's that's fine.
433
00:32:40,304 --> 00:32:41,510
Good luck with everything.
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I said, yeah, fine. Okay
good. So I hung up and
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didn't really think a
whole lot more about it.
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Except I wasn't getting any of my
calls returned to the national committee.
437
00:32:53,014 --> 00:32:55,083
And after a couple
weeks I thought
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00:32:55,417 --> 00:32:57,050
there's something wrong here,
439
00:32:57,273 --> 00:33:00,646
so I asked a
friend to ask around
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00:33:00,769 --> 00:33:04,461
and he called me back very
quickly afterwards and said
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you're on a "no hire list".
442
00:33:08,273 --> 00:33:09,551
A "no hire list"?
443
00:33:10,031 --> 00:33:13,193
And then all of a
sudden it all fit into place.
444
00:33:13,681 --> 00:33:14,898
That's what Roger had done.
445
00:33:15,663 --> 00:33:20,473
And that was the
end of my career.
446
00:33:30,662 --> 00:33:33,242
If you want to have
tremendous political influence.
447
00:33:33,604 --> 00:33:39,226
And still be a womanizer, drug abuser, or an alcoholic,
you only have one choice of career and that's journalism.
448
00:33:39,577 --> 00:33:43,704
Because journalists won't attack each
other. They only attack all the rest of us.
449
00:33:44,663 --> 00:33:47,042
And anybody who
denies it is lying.
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A NEW FORM OF NEWS.
AMERICA'S TALKING.
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00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:03,156
Well, I first met Roger
Ailes in the early 90s
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when he was starting a all-talk
network called America's Talking.
453
00:34:09,808 --> 00:34:17,197
You know, I think Roger wanted to be known during this
time as a incredible TV executive, not a politician.
454
00:34:17,586 --> 00:34:20,908
I congratulate Roger on his new
position as Geraldo Rivera's boss.
455
00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:23,270
I'm politically correct now.
456
00:34:24,983 --> 00:34:29,279
It was an image thing that he
really wanted to bury his political past.
457
00:34:30,351 --> 00:34:36,812
First I want to ask you why a talk network, you know, it seems that
talk shows a come and go, the networks are saturated with them,
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why does this seem
a good direction to go?
459
00:34:38,868 --> 00:34:41,161
There is a certain
segment of our society
460
00:34:41,853 --> 00:34:46,595
who really want to watch other Americans
talking about things they care about
461
00:34:46,828 --> 00:34:51,014
and I think you're going to see a big
audience develop for this kind of thing.
462
00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:54,426
America's Talking,
a new form of news.
463
00:34:56,218 --> 00:34:59,698
America's Talking
was Roger's baby
464
00:35:00,371 --> 00:35:02,943
and every single host,
465
00:35:02,968 --> 00:35:07,849
every single show idea
was from Roger's mind.
466
00:35:09,361 --> 00:35:11,936
He created 12 hours of TV live.
467
00:35:13,387 --> 00:35:16,398
That's almost insane.
468
00:35:18,495 --> 00:35:24,814
And I was saying horrible hideous stuff about
how some women are able to ejaculate like men.
469
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:26,707
Roger didn't care.
470
00:35:28,024 --> 00:35:33,410
As long as the show was juicy
and interesting and he was all for.
471
00:35:35,066 --> 00:35:36,605
Hello, I'm Terry Anzur.
472
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:39,002
Short skirts were encouraged
473
00:35:39,027 --> 00:35:42,117
and on America's Talking,
I had a see-through desk.
474
00:35:42,927 --> 00:35:47,454
And underneath were
lights that shined on my legs.
475
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,090
They didn't put the light
on Chris Matthews' legs.
476
00:35:51,236 --> 00:35:52,998
- Good night, Chris.
- Good night.
477
00:35:53,023 --> 00:36:00,024
You know, when I look back at America's Talking, I realized
that there was so much that you saw on Fox later on.
478
00:36:00,161 --> 00:36:04,482
The mainstream media in
America is biased and abusive.
479
00:36:04,779 --> 00:36:09,970
A lot of people don't know that Sean Hannity
started on America's Talking covering the OJ trial.
480
00:36:09,995 --> 00:36:11,781
Hello, I'm Bill O'Reilly,
thank you for watching.
481
00:36:11,940 --> 00:36:14,504
And Bill O'Reilly was
doing Inside Edition.
482
00:36:14,529 --> 00:36:16,994
He would fill in for Roger
every once in a while
483
00:36:17,427 --> 00:36:19,566
and that's really how they
got to know each other.
484
00:36:20,184 --> 00:36:22,094
But I think deep down inside
485
00:36:22,194 --> 00:36:25,820
Roger wanted to be
in front of the camera.
486
00:36:25,928 --> 00:36:28,819
In fact American's Talking
gave himself a show.
487
00:36:28,844 --> 00:36:31,137
Straight Forward
with Roger Ailes.
488
00:36:31,162 --> 00:36:34,260
My staff told you I didn't want the
drag queens. Did they tell you that?
489
00:36:34,285 --> 00:36:37,917
It's cross-dressing. It's been
going on since the Mona Leo.
490
00:36:38,311 --> 00:36:41,851
I know. I'm for instance a female.
You would never guess that.
491
00:36:42,187 --> 00:36:44,341
- I've lived this.
- That would be okay.
492
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:47,882
We'll be right back with the first
brother, Roger Clinton. Stay with us.
493
00:36:55,392 --> 00:36:57,430
Big Roger loves show business.
494
00:36:57,814 --> 00:36:59,608
Just love the spotlight.
495
00:37:00,345 --> 00:37:04,241
He used to take tap dancing
back in those days for exercise
496
00:37:04,508 --> 00:37:06,847
and I think that's who
Roger really wanted to be.
497
00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:15,322
Right now, everybody thinks
I'm the greatest guy in the world.
498
00:37:15,741 --> 00:37:17,418
I'm sure you've
heard that a lot.
499
00:37:19,356 --> 00:37:21,754
My doctor told me
I'm old, fat, and ugly
500
00:37:22,426 --> 00:37:25,175
but none of those things is
going to kill me immediately.
501
00:37:27,975 --> 00:37:29,736
Everybody fears the unknown
502
00:37:30,064 --> 00:37:34,107
but I have a strong feeling
there is something bigger than us.
503
00:37:36,081 --> 00:37:39,493
Beth Tilson was a CNBC executive
504
00:37:39,855 --> 00:37:43,850
who was promoted to
help run America's Talking.
505
00:37:44,857 --> 00:37:48,796
Before then, it was always
Roger and Judy, Roger's assistant.
506
00:37:49,142 --> 00:37:52,474
You know, he almost said the two
names in the same breath in a lot of ways.
507
00:37:52,727 --> 00:37:54,094
Then, it was Beth and Roger.
508
00:37:55,141 --> 00:37:59,524
Beth was a cross between
Marilyn Monroe and a school mom
509
00:37:59,681 --> 00:38:02,899
and had eyes for only one person
510
00:38:03,287 --> 00:38:04,627
and that was Roger.
511
00:38:10,447 --> 00:38:11,787
Oh, the wedding.
512
00:38:11,812 --> 00:38:16,914
Beth had a white suit with fur,
very elegant. Roger was in black.
513
00:38:17,550 --> 00:38:20,155
Giuliani was the officiant
514
00:38:20,531 --> 00:38:22,919
and it was just me
and Barbara Walters
515
00:38:23,274 --> 00:38:24,634
and Geraldo was there
516
00:38:25,507 --> 00:38:28,122
and Roger, he was so happy.
517
00:38:34,077 --> 00:38:37,595
We reached the magic
number of 20 million subscribers.
518
00:38:38,581 --> 00:38:42,176
And all of a sudden it wasn't
Roger's little playground anymore.
519
00:38:43,035 --> 00:38:46,374
NBC went "Wow.
This is a real channel."
520
00:38:46,568 --> 00:38:50,007
And we should be
getting more value out of it.
521
00:38:52,814 --> 00:38:58,007
Now, the story goes that Bill
Gates wanted a news network.
522
00:38:58,627 --> 00:39:03,740
So, he approached NBC with
his chatbook and NBC said,
523
00:39:03,973 --> 00:39:07,637
we've got this network over in
Fort Lee called America's Talking.
524
00:39:08,163 --> 00:39:09,014
It's yours.
525
00:39:11,285 --> 00:39:15,512
A new partnership between NBC and
Microsoft is heating up the media wars.
526
00:39:15,683 --> 00:39:20,470
The two companies have announced a new
24-hour worldwide cable TV news channel.
527
00:39:20,590 --> 00:39:26,738
It is called MSNBC and NBC President Bob Wright
says he hopes to have it up and running by summer.
528
00:39:31,668 --> 00:39:34,851
I got a phone call from
a friend of mine saying,
529
00:39:34,876 --> 00:39:39,590
your friend Roger threw a chair across the room,
called the car, and stormed out of the building.
530
00:39:41,828 --> 00:39:47,161
So I called Roger in his car and I
said hey I heard something went down.
531
00:39:47,334 --> 00:39:48,401
Are you okay?
532
00:39:48,575 --> 00:39:52,003
And he said "Felycia
I'm going to fuck them."
533
00:39:52,095 --> 00:39:55,134
I'm going to fuck them like
they've never been fucked before.
534
00:39:57,807 --> 00:40:02,100
And I knew something would be
born out of this need for revenge.
535
00:40:07,547 --> 00:40:10,615
Thank you very much for your
attendance at such a short notice.
536
00:40:10,809 --> 00:40:16,037
I just like to say how delighted I am that we've
now reached this moment when we can firmly announce
537
00:40:16,308 --> 00:40:19,214
the starting of a
Fox News Channel.
538
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,908
We've been very lucky in being able to
obtain the services of mister Roger Ailes
539
00:40:24,141 --> 00:40:26,651
who has had such
a fantastic success.
540
00:40:27,171 --> 00:40:28,404
Mister Ailes is here
541
00:40:28,429 --> 00:40:32,430
and he might like to add a few words
but we'll be ready to take your questions.
542
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:40,977
It really is exciting to join what I think is the
most dynamic television company in the world today
543
00:40:41,311 --> 00:40:45,286
and I've always admired mister
Murdoch's ability to get things done.
544
00:40:45,728 --> 00:40:51,407
It's a tough competitive world but we intend
to be when the music stops to have a chair.
545
00:40:55,839 --> 00:41:00,016
The all news game has become
a serious and a nasty business.
546
00:41:00,209 --> 00:41:06,274
As media mogul Rupert Murdoch enters the 24
hour news competition with his Fox News channel.
547
00:41:06,605 --> 00:41:12,169
CNS Ted Turner insisted he would
squish the Australian tycoon like a bug.
548
00:41:13,899 --> 00:41:17,993
Rupert had wanted to launch
something like Fox News for years.
549
00:41:19,657 --> 00:41:23,872
He loved taking on taboos
in his tabloids in London
550
00:41:25,099 --> 00:41:28,320
and had always wanted to
puncture the establishment.
551
00:41:29,734 --> 00:41:32,910
They wanted us to beat the crap
out of the other cable channels
552
00:41:33,066 --> 00:41:34,327
at their own game
553
00:41:34,726 --> 00:41:37,907
and about 10 weeks before
Fox actually went on the air
554
00:41:38,081 --> 00:41:40,754
Roger had all of us in the
company come to New York
555
00:41:41,154 --> 00:41:47,948
and he gave this rip roaring speech about how the networks
had been around for so long that they were antiquated
556
00:41:48,413 --> 00:41:50,206
and that we were
going to be a pirate ship
557
00:41:50,340 --> 00:41:55,056
that while everybody else were these sort of battleships and
aircraft terriers that would take a long time to turn around,
558
00:41:55,126 --> 00:41:56,467
we were going to be nimble,
559
00:41:56,492 --> 00:41:59,511
we were going to strike hard and we're
going to have a whale of a time doing it.
560
00:42:00,757 --> 00:42:03,261
Good morning, welcome
to Fox News Channel.
561
00:42:14,308 --> 00:42:17,473
Fox News was an absolute
hoot at the beginning.
562
00:42:17,553 --> 00:42:21,272
Hi, I'm Bill O'Reilly. Thank you
for watching on our very first day.
563
00:42:21,297 --> 00:42:25,030
There were people who had worked
with Roger at America's Talking and CNBC.
564
00:42:25,213 --> 00:42:27,686
And some people who work
with him in a political sphere.
565
00:42:27,711 --> 00:42:29,514
Welcome to Washington.
I'm Brit Hume.
566
00:42:29,539 --> 00:42:33,403
And to all of us who started
was like "Yes. This is great."
567
00:42:33,428 --> 00:42:37,478
Well, we're going to try to be
different. Stimulating and a bit daring.
568
00:42:39,721 --> 00:42:42,750
Loyalty was a theme
that came up every day
569
00:42:42,974 --> 00:42:46,879
because all the people
around Roger would tell us,
570
00:42:47,207 --> 00:42:51,035
you know, Roger really likes loyalty.
Loyalty is really important to Roger
571
00:42:51,747 --> 00:42:57,206
and people who would do something nice
for Roger would often pop up on the air.
572
00:42:57,521 --> 00:43:00,594
We did all sorts of segments
that didn't make any sense to me.
573
00:43:00,688 --> 00:43:04,162
They'd say, FOR,
friend of Roger.
574
00:43:06,594 --> 00:43:13,701
It was imparted to me right from the very beginning that it wasn't
about journalism, it was about drawing the biggest audience possible.
575
00:43:15,781 --> 00:43:22,632
A library board in Helena, Montana voted unanimously to
keep the book The Joy of Gay Sex on a library shelves.
576
00:43:22,657 --> 00:43:23,967
Alright, that's good.
577
00:43:23,992 --> 00:43:26,518
Book that for the
D block on Tuesday.
578
00:43:27,015 --> 00:43:29,128
We used to call it
riling up the crazies.
579
00:43:29,554 --> 00:43:30,734
That's what we're there to do.
580
00:43:30,759 --> 00:43:32,842
We were there to stir up outrage
581
00:43:33,881 --> 00:43:35,762
because that is what
kept them watching.
582
00:43:40,865 --> 00:43:45,341
Whitewater Independent Counsel, Ken Starr
is reported to have a number of audio tapes
583
00:43:45,366 --> 00:43:51,186
on which a former White House intern Monica Lewinsky told
fellow staff that she was sexually involved with the president.
584
00:43:52,264 --> 00:43:56,111
They must have fallen on their knees
at Fox when the Lewinsky thing hit
585
00:43:56,136 --> 00:44:00,316
and never stop thanking
god for that blue dress.
586
00:44:01,043 --> 00:44:06,811
Because Roger and Beth, they despise
the Clintons and everything they stood for.
587
00:44:09,108 --> 00:44:13,829
Bill Clinton is very
slick, very glib.
588
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,779
He has 15,000 press secretaries
589
00:44:16,804 --> 00:44:20,196
and it's clear she's not going
to get the Betty Crocker award.
590
00:44:20,997 --> 00:44:23,109
Wouldn't stand too close to her.
591
00:44:24,234 --> 00:44:28,107
Could President Clinton have had an affair
with an intern and then try to cover it up.
592
00:44:28,132 --> 00:44:31,133
Fox News correspondent
David Shuster has the story.
593
00:44:31,481 --> 00:44:36,361
Yesterday, the White House released a response
to Kenneth Starr's detailed report to congress.
594
00:44:36,487 --> 00:44:41,941
The Clinton scandal was the rocket fuel
that got Fox News into the stratosphere.
595
00:44:42,585 --> 00:44:46,139
We were kicking the
network's ass on the story.
596
00:44:46,504 --> 00:44:48,260
Day in and day out.
597
00:44:48,285 --> 00:44:51,484
Fox News has learned it was
Linda Tripp who befriended Monica.
598
00:44:51,509 --> 00:44:56,854
And within two or three months, it was
"Wow. Fox News has something going."
599
00:44:56,879 --> 00:45:00,371
Attorney General is now started
a 90-day preliminary inquiry...
600
00:45:00,474 --> 00:45:03,380
...in the United States to
testify under oath that he didn't...
601
00:45:04,508 --> 00:45:07,754
Mr. Clinton is also accused
of obstruction of justice.
602
00:45:08,267 --> 00:45:11,917
I remember it was a huge
celebration at Fox News in New York
603
00:45:12,411 --> 00:45:15,419
and I was asked to come up and
meet with Roger Ailes in his office.
604
00:45:16,796 --> 00:45:20,244
This was after we got the
information about the cigars
605
00:45:20,703 --> 00:45:24,041
and he says, what is this sex
stuff? What was really going on?
606
00:45:24,856 --> 00:45:28,416
And so I said, well, there's
some rumors about cigars
607
00:45:28,448 --> 00:45:33,029
or something that was involved in
their sexual play and Roger loved it.
608
00:45:34,162 --> 00:45:36,402
He was scintillated by it.
609
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,594
But the idea that Bill
Clinton would be sloppy,
610
00:45:40,853 --> 00:45:43,035
allow an intern to
blab to her friend.
611
00:45:43,866 --> 00:45:45,941
That's where the contempt came.
612
00:45:46,860 --> 00:45:50,933
Because Roger Ailes did not
respect people who got caught.
613
00:45:59,598 --> 00:46:04,620
There's someone in the room today
whose wings are much bigger than mine.
614
00:46:05,061 --> 00:46:10,062
His wings have a
wide span of generosity
615
00:46:10,629 --> 00:46:14,754
that every day lifts
up so many people.
616
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:17,700
The one and only Roger Ailes.
617
00:46:25,981 --> 00:46:32,566
I was beyond flattered that Roger
Ailes was talking to me like this.
618
00:46:34,060 --> 00:46:36,965
Since 11 years old, I
wanted to be a news reporter.
619
00:46:37,968 --> 00:46:40,371
I was working at this
little local TV station
620
00:46:40,923 --> 00:46:42,808
and I got meeting
with Roger Ailes.
621
00:46:43,328 --> 00:46:47,623
So, I went in there and sat at
the seat across from his desk.
622
00:46:47,648 --> 00:46:49,069
He said, no, no, come over here
623
00:46:49,255 --> 00:46:55,609
and then he sat down at a couch and he patted right
next to and he said, come sit right next to me.
624
00:46:57,323 --> 00:47:02,343
He said to me you know here at Fox News in
order to be beautiful it's not just waist up,
625
00:47:02,530 --> 00:47:04,704
it is the entire package.
626
00:47:04,957 --> 00:47:08,076
People want to see a woman
from you know head to toe
627
00:47:08,954 --> 00:47:11,914
and he looked me up and
down admiringly and said
628
00:47:12,227 --> 00:47:15,460
you definitely are
beautiful enough to be here
629
00:47:15,934 --> 00:47:19,542
and I said thank you and then
he said but I'm not 100% sure.
630
00:47:19,754 --> 00:47:22,647
He said stand up
and twirl for me.
631
00:47:22,900 --> 00:47:24,653
I want to see everything
632
00:47:26,454 --> 00:47:28,707
and I just looked
at him and laughed.
633
00:47:30,675 --> 00:47:36,603
And then a week later a friend of mine had dinner with
Roger Ailes at this Italian restaurant in Midtown.
634
00:47:37,035 --> 00:47:40,861
And he said to me Lidia
he's I talked to him about you.
635
00:47:42,089 --> 00:47:45,650
He wasn't not serious
about bringing you on.
636
00:47:45,675 --> 00:47:46,864
I said well what do you mean?
637
00:47:47,134 --> 00:47:49,897
Said he asked
about you sexually.
638
00:47:50,088 --> 00:47:53,272
He asked what kind of girl you
were and I said you're a good girl.
639
00:47:56,128 --> 00:47:59,248
But I think that it
was in a way a test.
640
00:47:59,528 --> 00:48:02,294
I think I failed because
I didn't hear back.
641
00:48:06,687 --> 00:48:09,674
An Access of Evil standoff
as Fox reports tonight.
642
00:48:09,699 --> 00:48:11,576
Hello, everyone.
I'm Alisyn Camerota.
643
00:48:11,601 --> 00:48:14,963
If you wanted something,
I wanted more opportunity,
644
00:48:15,134 --> 00:48:16,534
I wanted to try to anchor.
645
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:21,940
I think that he saw that
as what do I get out of that
646
00:48:22,281 --> 00:48:26,265
and so when I went to him to
ask him for more opportunity,
647
00:48:26,487 --> 00:48:35,032
he said, well, I would have to work with
you more closely if that were to happen.
648
00:48:35,664 --> 00:48:40,683
I would have to train you,
give you sort of tutorials and
649
00:48:42,041 --> 00:48:48,495
you know people might be jealous and so we would
have to we'd be best if we did it away from here,
650
00:48:49,815 --> 00:48:52,289
perhaps at a hotel sometime
651
00:48:53,874 --> 00:48:55,087
Do you know what I'm saying?
652
00:48:57,034 --> 00:48:58,943
And I said "Yeah, I think I
do know what you're saying."
653
00:48:59,327 --> 00:49:04,682
I mean I knew I was never going to go meet
Roger at a hotel, that was unthinkable to me.
654
00:49:04,707 --> 00:49:07,428
That was never going to happen, but I
didn't know what was going to happen next.
655
00:49:07,453 --> 00:49:09,472
I think I was I was going
to be fired if I didn't do it.
656
00:49:09,497 --> 00:49:13,002
I didn't know how he was
going to make that happen.
657
00:49:14,574 --> 00:49:16,258
I mean Roger was the king.
658
00:49:16,727 --> 00:49:20,001
His assistant was the head of HR
659
00:49:20,427 --> 00:49:25,019
and so it didn't occur to me that there was somebody
higher than Roger who could have done something.
660
00:49:25,044 --> 00:49:26,059
There wasn't.
661
00:49:26,634 --> 00:49:31,285
And weren't people in Fox News
putting out salacious online material?
662
00:49:31,514 --> 00:49:33,093
There were many websites.
663
00:49:34,466 --> 00:49:36,506
I think one was called
the Hot Women of Fox.
664
00:49:36,868 --> 00:49:39,494
There were different websites
about different body parts.
665
00:49:40,051 --> 00:49:42,355
There were websites
dedicated to feet.
666
00:49:43,301 --> 00:49:48,898
They wanted people to think of the network in that way. They
were using the women who worked there for a very specific purpose
667
00:49:49,734 --> 00:49:55,545
and it was to be sexualized for their viewers and
we learned later for the people in the building.
668
00:49:57,339 --> 00:50:00,535
And so that was the
culture of the time.
669
00:50:00,862 --> 00:50:03,466
And there was nobody who
was willing to challenge it.
670
00:50:08,226 --> 00:50:12,934
If Fox News is the house that Roger
built with some help from Rupert Murdoch,
671
00:50:13,161 --> 00:50:17,721
look at this group here on the stage
with you and why did you pick them?
672
00:50:18,127 --> 00:50:20,967
Somebody once asked
me how I hire talent
673
00:50:21,287 --> 00:50:27,483
and there were, I made a list and there were
27 things on the list, which is a secret list,
674
00:50:28,646 --> 00:50:31,901
which one day will come out of the
book I'm writing about all you people.
675
00:50:36,594 --> 00:50:39,686
All of us are veterans that
we've worked for other companies
676
00:50:40,084 --> 00:50:42,809
and most of those
companies are horror shows.
677
00:50:43,284 --> 00:50:44,734
This company is
a little bit different
678
00:50:44,874 --> 00:50:46,992
because they let you...
679
00:50:47,405 --> 00:50:55,081
they don't micromanage and Roger Ailes hires people
with whom he has confidence and then he lets them go.
680
00:50:55,733 --> 00:50:58,175
Alright, we have to take a break
here and we're going to be back.
681
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:02,696
We're going to talk about the milestones that
changed Fox News and changed our country.
682
00:51:11,537 --> 00:51:14,070
It was October 2004.
683
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,230
I came into work one evening,
I was working the evening shift,
684
00:51:18,653 --> 00:51:23,631
and I look around the newsroom and every
computer in the newsroom was on this website,
685
00:51:23,908 --> 00:51:25,731
thesmokinggun.com,
686
00:51:26,261 --> 00:51:29,675
and my buddy is, he's like,
dude, you gotta read this shit.
687
00:51:30,714 --> 00:51:33,306
It is an absolute
bombshell of an allegation.
688
00:51:33,331 --> 00:51:37,579
A sexual harassment case against
popular cable TV host Bill O'Reilly.
689
00:51:37,674 --> 00:51:42,860
One of his associate producers, Andrea Mackris,
alleges that in one phone conversation,
690
00:51:42,885 --> 00:51:45,968
O'Reilly fantasized you would
basically be in the shower.
691
00:51:45,993 --> 00:51:49,641
I would take that little loofa thing
and kind of soap up your back.
692
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,295
I like the part about you wanting
to rub falafel on that lady's boobs
693
00:51:54,548 --> 00:51:57,060
and the part about
how you love vibrators
694
00:51:57,085 --> 00:52:01,335
and the part about how you believed it when
a prostitute told you you had a big penis.
695
00:52:02,499 --> 00:52:06,484
You said on your show yesterday, this is one of the
most evil things you've ever experienced. Why so evil?
696
00:52:06,509 --> 00:52:07,791
Why do you think
she's doing this?
697
00:52:07,816 --> 00:52:08,968
I have no clue,
698
00:52:09,422 --> 00:52:13,706
but my career could be ruined
and I'm very well aware of that
699
00:52:13,874 --> 00:52:15,862
but I can't let people do this.
700
00:52:17,875 --> 00:52:20,824
What was interesting about
that case with Andrea Mackris
701
00:52:20,849 --> 00:52:23,393
is she was somebody
who had evidence.
702
00:52:23,918 --> 00:52:27,466
Multiple recordings of what
was obviously sexual harassment
703
00:52:27,653 --> 00:52:30,647
and also threats
and intimidation.
704
00:52:31,513 --> 00:52:33,288
If any woman ever
breathed a word,
705
00:52:33,327 --> 00:52:36,712
I'll make her pay so dearly that
she'll wish she'd never been born.
706
00:52:37,312 --> 00:52:38,692
I'll rake her through the mud,
707
00:52:38,717 --> 00:52:42,284
bring up things in her life and make
her so miserable that she'll be destroyed.
708
00:52:43,318 --> 00:52:45,879
If you cross Fox News
Channel, it's not just me,
709
00:52:45,904 --> 00:52:47,835
It's Roger Ailes who after you.
710
00:52:48,401 --> 00:52:50,359
Ailes operates
behind the scenes,
711
00:52:50,486 --> 00:52:54,569
strategizes, and makes things
happen so that one day, bam,
712
00:52:54,779 --> 00:52:58,109
The person gets what's coming
to them but never sees it coming.
713
00:53:00,827 --> 00:53:03,467
It was apparent to
everyone that he was guilty
714
00:53:03,882 --> 00:53:07,162
but Bill O'Reilly had the highest
ratings. He brought in the most money.
715
00:53:07,562 --> 00:53:09,549
You know, he was kind
of the face of the network.
716
00:53:09,995 --> 00:53:16,455
So, Roger protected Bill. You know, just
like Roger was Rupert Murdoch's cash cow.
717
00:53:16,753 --> 00:53:19,553
Bill O'Reilly was
Roger Ailes' cash cow.
718
00:53:21,192 --> 00:53:23,920
So, he helped smooth
everything over.
719
00:53:25,268 --> 00:53:30,778
You want the truth? You hire Bo Dietl. You
want something else? Go hire slim old PI.
720
00:53:30,803 --> 00:53:34,248
Find the truth. That's
all I do. Is find the truth.
721
00:53:34,741 --> 00:53:38,263
Bo Dietl is a former NYPD cop
722
00:53:38,288 --> 00:53:41,658
who became a
regular on Fox News.
723
00:53:42,775 --> 00:53:48,840
Who's the go-to guy to defend Stop and Frisk or argue
that Trayvon Martin deserved to die or whatever.
724
00:53:49,468 --> 00:53:52,814
Where was he when two
officers got killed in New York?
725
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,797
And he also had this private eye
business where he worked for Roger
726
00:53:57,967 --> 00:54:01,958
doing security and
investigations for Fox News.
727
00:54:04,688 --> 00:54:06,120
Well, I'll say it right now.
728
00:54:06,274 --> 00:54:11,198
I respected Roger Ailes because
the man did so much for America
729
00:54:11,223 --> 00:54:12,976
and for the people of Fox.
730
00:54:15,853 --> 00:54:19,279
On the Mackris case, we
were assigned to follow her
731
00:54:19,304 --> 00:54:24,414
and to gain any kind of information we
could where it was detrimental to the case.
732
00:54:24,954 --> 00:54:33,267
They took the information that Bo Dietl was digging up and leaked
it to the New York Post which was owned also by Rupert Murdoch.
733
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:36,831
They said Andrea
Mackris is a slut.
734
00:54:36,863 --> 00:54:40,776
She's a drunk. She's
trying to entrap Bill O'Reilly.
735
00:54:40,921 --> 00:54:42,503
It's going to be a
message to people.
736
00:54:42,528 --> 00:54:48,748
When you file these frivolous lawsuits and you think you're going
to get people well-known to give you money for garbage like this.
737
00:54:48,773 --> 00:54:55,201
We're going to investigate you. We're going to uncover that
we've already about your life so you're wide open right now.
738
00:54:55,226 --> 00:54:56,390
So, beware people.
739
00:54:56,414 --> 00:55:00,178
That was the tactic, like,
smear her, put pressure on her,
740
00:55:00,608 --> 00:55:02,800
and as it turns out, it worked.
741
00:55:03,232 --> 00:55:05,140
They settled it. She can't talk
742
00:55:05,414 --> 00:55:06,539
and he skated.
743
00:55:06,734 --> 00:55:09,804
His ratings went up from there.
His salary went up from there.
744
00:55:10,988 --> 00:55:13,455
Fox News was making so
much money, no one cared.
745
00:55:16,227 --> 00:55:22,632
Good morning, everyone. Today is Thursday. It's September 20th. I'm
Gretchen Carlson. Thanks so much for sharing part of your day with us today.
746
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:26,669
So Rupert, what made you think
that this whole thing would work?
747
00:55:27,421 --> 00:55:33,354
I just had a hunch that you know, there was a room
for another point of view and then another service.
748
00:55:34,220 --> 00:55:37,535
Rupert Murdoch is a
genius in terms of media
749
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,254
but more importantly, what
he does is he bets on people.
750
00:55:41,747 --> 00:55:46,079
I don't think we ever had a written business plan.
I think we talked through what we're going to do
751
00:55:46,387 --> 00:55:49,447
and he backed it
but really let me run it.
752
00:55:49,472 --> 00:55:52,453
Now, if I'd screwed
it up, I'd be dead.
753
00:56:09,577 --> 00:56:13,545
Roger and Beth were extremely
impressed with Rupert Murdoch.
754
00:56:14,702 --> 00:56:19,058
I remember one time Beth called me
after we had dinner at Rupert's house.
755
00:56:19,213 --> 00:56:23,040
She couldn't believe the
table and the table setting.
756
00:56:24,641 --> 00:56:31,747
They were pulled into a class and
circle of people who are way above them.
757
00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:34,971
So they had a lot
of catching up to do.
758
00:56:36,713 --> 00:56:40,566
Cuz Rupert was really doing what
Roger had pictured himself doing.
759
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:42,786
Conquering a new world.
760
00:56:45,989 --> 00:56:49,020
So Rupert bought
the Wall Street Journal.
761
00:56:49,587 --> 00:56:52,085
What's the name of
Roger's little newspaper?
762
00:56:52,498 --> 00:56:55,014
Putnam County News and Recorder.
763
00:56:55,039 --> 00:56:58,637
Yeah, the Putnam County
News and Recorder. There you go.
764
00:56:58,829 --> 00:57:00,209
That says everything.
765
00:57:01,751 --> 00:57:04,430
BIG-TIME CABLE NEWS
TO SMALL-TOWN PAPER
766
00:57:06,431 --> 00:57:09,298
ROGER AILES, THE CHAIRMAN OF FOX NEWS, LIKED
HIS LOCAL NEWSPAPER SO MUCH HE DECIDED TO BUY IT
767
00:57:09,331 --> 00:57:12,477
I was actually told about
the sale the night before
768
00:57:12,502 --> 00:57:16,303
and I think the
first thing I said was
769
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,430
"has he seen this?"
770
00:57:18,649 --> 00:57:24,288
Because it was a one room
antiquated equipment little dinky thing.
771
00:57:25,152 --> 00:57:32,421
At that time it was a very typical sleepy small town weekly
newspaper that reported on the school board and the town board
772
00:57:32,712 --> 00:57:35,471
and Cold Spring
itself is 1900 people.
773
00:57:36,513 --> 00:57:41,647
There's definitely an air of Americana that it has
that main street that's leading down to the river
774
00:57:41,672 --> 00:57:43,291
right across from West Point
775
00:57:43,700 --> 00:57:48,372
and the whole Cold Spring area is
steeped in revolutionary war history.
776
00:57:49,601 --> 00:57:54,647
The community was shocked that
this media mogul, this political kingpin
777
00:57:54,921 --> 00:57:59,403
would have any interest in coming to Cold
Spring and buying this little weekly newspaper
778
00:58:00,509 --> 00:58:05,532
and we thought, you know, is he going to do
with this local paper what he does at Fox News?
779
00:58:08,694 --> 00:58:13,896
I think Roger and Beth wanted to
become Lord and Lady of the Manor.
780
00:58:14,647 --> 00:58:16,479
Almost worshiped in the town.
781
00:58:24,181 --> 00:58:28,070
Those institutional land holders are the ones
we're trying to support keep that property
782
00:58:28,197 --> 00:58:30,761
in those hands and out
of the hands of developers.
783
00:58:30,786 --> 00:58:33,378
Why would everybody
not be equal under the law?
784
00:58:33,403 --> 00:58:34,722
Businesses, private...
785
00:58:34,747 --> 00:58:37,976
There's probably no
greater position to hold
786
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,749
than to be a citizen
of the United States.
787
00:58:40,774 --> 00:58:44,723
First time I met him was in the
Helding School cafeteria after meeting.
788
00:58:45,390 --> 00:58:50,704
And the first impression I had
was this guy is, you know, a bully.
789
00:58:54,050 --> 00:58:55,016
Let's not get out of hand.
790
00:58:55,041 --> 00:58:56,917
We're not going to
get crazy here tonight.
791
00:58:57,450 --> 00:58:59,113
We're here to hear your concerns
792
00:58:59,374 --> 00:59:01,110
and answers your questions.
793
00:59:01,441 --> 00:59:04,273
He was convinced we were going
to tell him he couldn't cut trees down.
794
00:59:04,298 --> 00:59:05,803
He couldn't keep his view.
795
00:59:06,397 --> 00:59:07,923
So he got people round up.
796
00:59:09,968 --> 00:59:12,300
It's because he was
sort of a master at that.
797
00:59:12,475 --> 00:59:14,088
George Washington said,
798
00:59:14,334 --> 00:59:18,043
a violation of my land is
a violation of my being.
799
00:59:19,103 --> 00:59:20,444
That is at our core.
800
00:59:24,489 --> 00:59:25,751
Who is surreal
801
00:59:26,869 --> 00:59:28,773
Ailes showed up
with his attorney.
802
00:59:29,232 --> 00:59:30,873
He was locked and loaded
803
00:59:31,039 --> 00:59:33,412
and you know ready to
go out there and do battle.
804
00:59:36,101 --> 00:59:43,054
And after we had the debate, Ailes walks up to me let me know he
owned the newspaper let me know he owns the courier across the county
805
00:59:43,495 --> 00:59:46,407
and essentially said look if I'm not
happy you're not going to be happy.
806
00:59:47,707 --> 00:59:50,442
It wasn't a big threat. It
was like, yeah, okay, fine.
807
00:59:50,609 --> 00:59:52,338
You want a newspaper, great.
808
00:59:53,474 --> 00:59:56,426
In hindsight, I
was a little naive.
809
01:00:00,660 --> 01:00:02,413
When Roger took over the paper,
810
01:00:02,714 --> 01:00:05,026
definitely became
a political tool.
811
01:00:09,821 --> 01:00:13,020
They put fourth candidates
for a village office, town office
812
01:00:13,514 --> 01:00:20,083
who had no background in
anything to do with local government.
813
01:00:22,193 --> 01:00:27,298
They got a guy to run against me who was
just, you know, regular working guy like me
814
01:00:27,781 --> 01:00:31,935
and they put a lot of money into
billboards and prepping him for debates
815
01:00:32,709 --> 01:00:39,812
and Roger, he told me he had never lost any
election campaign he'd gotten involved with.
816
01:00:40,623 --> 01:00:42,733
And he was going
to see me at office.
817
01:00:45,233 --> 01:00:50,111
And we came here with a mission
to change this town from blue to red.
818
01:00:53,483 --> 01:00:54,509
Listen to this one.
819
01:00:54,753 --> 01:00:57,454
Roger Ailes needs enemies
820
01:00:57,752 --> 01:01:01,197
like a tank like a
tank needs fuel.
821
01:01:01,854 --> 01:01:05,071
How come? Why the pugnacity?
822
01:01:05,096 --> 01:01:08,251
Well, I would argue with that. I
don't need enemies. I have plenty.
823
01:01:08,561 --> 01:01:15,500
But if somebody gets over the line or
challenges in some incorrect way I will respond.
824
01:01:20,328 --> 01:01:22,966
Roger saw himself as a general
825
01:01:23,264 --> 01:01:29,153
and nothing brought more
joy to Roger than a battle.
826
01:01:30,666 --> 01:01:35,439
He was like John Wayne leading
the Green Berets through Vietnam
827
01:01:35,798 --> 01:01:39,613
and if there was no battle,
he would create the battle.
828
01:01:40,221 --> 01:01:42,366
Which is what he
did with Fox News.
829
01:01:42,627 --> 01:01:47,500
Dividing us between the
Conservatives and the Liberals.
830
01:01:50,568 --> 01:01:56,666
Roger thought that we were in a
war against our way of life, against evil,
831
01:01:57,566 --> 01:02:02,651
and he was very moved by stories
of patriotism and stories of heroes.
832
01:02:02,977 --> 01:02:03,923
How is he?
833
01:02:04,029 --> 01:02:06,072
Pretty bad, sir but still alive.
834
01:02:06,448 --> 01:02:07,802
He had hemophilia
835
01:02:08,046 --> 01:02:10,862
and he said, I couldn't
serve in the military
836
01:02:10,961 --> 01:02:12,907
and that's a big regret of mine,
837
01:02:13,284 --> 01:02:16,655
but I consider this my
838
01:02:18,466 --> 01:02:22,489
payment to the country and I
consider this my battle station
839
01:02:22,872 --> 01:02:24,804
and I'm not leaving
my battle station.
840
01:02:27,887 --> 01:02:31,368
I'm afraid for our country
and for our children's futures.
841
01:02:31,393 --> 01:02:34,325
It's just really a
scary time in history.
842
01:02:34,350 --> 01:02:37,465
This is about the systematic
dismantling of this country.
843
01:02:37,774 --> 01:02:41,039
People are fired up. They're upset
with the government. If I got that right.
844
01:02:44,059 --> 01:02:46,424
Americans love their families.
845
01:02:46,777 --> 01:02:48,397
They love their flag.
846
01:02:48,759 --> 01:02:52,071
They think schools have gone off
the edge and killed American history.
847
01:02:53,183 --> 01:03:00,145
I built Fox understanding the pressures,
worries, and aspirations of average Americans.
848
01:03:02,707 --> 01:03:04,213
I love these people.
849
01:03:04,694 --> 01:03:08,742
This is Vivian in Cincinnati and
Roger Ailes, we love you here.
850
01:03:08,882 --> 01:03:10,207
Keep up the good work.
851
01:03:10,319 --> 01:03:17,217
I want to thank Fox News for bringing polite
issues that don't get covered by the other network.
852
01:03:17,242 --> 01:03:20,463
Mister Ailes, I'm missing Fox and
Friends to see you this morning.
853
01:03:20,801 --> 01:03:21,811
Don't do that.
854
01:03:22,473 --> 01:03:25,395
We need all the viewers
we we can get on Fox.
855
01:03:25,420 --> 01:03:28,135
Turn me off immediately
and go to Fox & Friends.
856
01:03:29,660 --> 01:03:31,834
Lots of people are
smarter than Roger Ailes.
857
01:03:31,858 --> 01:03:32,881
Lots and lots.
858
01:03:32,905 --> 01:03:35,673
But nobody was
as canny as Roger.
859
01:03:35,767 --> 01:03:37,672
He could read a
person very fast.
860
01:03:37,697 --> 01:03:39,431
He could read a room very fast
861
01:03:39,456 --> 01:03:42,155
and boy, did he get the
temperature of the country
862
01:03:43,101 --> 01:03:44,463
when nobody else did.
863
01:03:45,242 --> 01:03:46,547
That's nice. You see?
864
01:03:46,891 --> 01:03:49,757
Oh, wow. It's great. His
numbers are fantastic.
865
01:03:49,847 --> 01:03:53,800
Roger absolutely understood
from all the time in politics
866
01:03:53,867 --> 01:03:59,158
that frightening people,
pouring gasoline on that fire
867
01:03:59,327 --> 01:04:02,001
that gets people
glued to their television.
868
01:04:03,933 --> 01:04:06,926
That was the genius of Roger.
869
01:04:07,620 --> 01:04:12,072
Knowing how to speak
the language of America.
870
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:14,598
More blood, more red meat.
871
01:04:16,015 --> 01:04:18,742
I gotta get you outraged
so you watch more.
872
01:04:20,454 --> 01:04:22,436
- Caution.
- Listen up America.
873
01:04:22,461 --> 01:04:24,344
It is happening, America.
874
01:04:24,369 --> 01:04:26,490
I am telling you
America as we know it,
875
01:04:26,620 --> 01:04:28,790
freedom of speech
as we know it is over.
876
01:04:28,815 --> 01:04:31,626
The left has been
preparing and indoctrinating.
877
01:04:31,651 --> 01:04:33,974
They're going to take away
your constitutional rights.
878
01:04:34,025 --> 01:04:36,369
They sneer at you. They
have contempt for you.
879
01:04:36,427 --> 01:04:38,817
Who's going to stop
this madness? You.
880
01:04:39,394 --> 01:04:41,296
Are you paying attention now?
881
01:04:42,362 --> 01:04:44,735
When you're watching
Fox News, you think
882
01:04:45,347 --> 01:04:49,566
these people are just kind
of peddling these theories
883
01:04:50,008 --> 01:04:54,746
because they want more viewers
and they're catering to their base,
884
01:04:55,487 --> 01:04:59,625
but based on my conversation
with Roger Ailes he truly believed in it.
885
01:04:59,650 --> 01:05:03,773
Barack Obama has deep
emotional ties to Islam
886
01:05:04,081 --> 01:05:09,666
He said to me Barack Obama he's really not a
Christian he's a Muslim his father is Muslim.
887
01:05:09,767 --> 01:05:12,210
He could deny it all he
wants but he has an agenda.
888
01:05:12,242 --> 01:05:13,830
What do you think that was?
889
01:05:14,089 --> 01:05:17,145
To ruin America,
to bring it down.
890
01:05:17,170 --> 01:05:21,109
He felt like the president
at the time was a threat
891
01:05:21,647 --> 01:05:26,282
and it was almost like his duty as the
head of Fox News to get the truth out.
892
01:05:27,085 --> 01:05:31,002
Barack Obama's father who
abandoned his family was a Muslim,
893
01:05:31,027 --> 01:05:33,313
who eventually turned atheist.
894
01:05:33,792 --> 01:05:39,608
Barack Obama has dozens of unelected and unaccountable
czars working to execute his radical plans.
895
01:05:39,633 --> 01:05:41,695
Let's give his new
Green Job czar.
896
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,787
The guy is, again,
black liberation theology,
897
01:05:44,812 --> 01:05:46,271
a black nationalist.
898
01:05:46,296 --> 01:05:54,255
This is part of the movement that is trying to get Islam
specifically Sharia Law infused into the legal court system.
899
01:05:54,279 --> 01:05:57,334
This president I think has
exposed himself as a guy
900
01:05:57,359 --> 01:06:01,572
over and over and over again
who has a deep-seated hatred
901
01:06:01,753 --> 01:06:05,246
for white people or the white
culture. I don't know what it is.
902
01:06:08,246 --> 01:06:13,878
Roger Ailes paved the way for
conspiracy theories to go mainstream.
903
01:06:15,094 --> 01:06:17,963
The idea that Barack
Obama is not American,
904
01:06:18,260 --> 01:06:20,227
Pizzagate, whatever it is,
905
01:06:20,434 --> 01:06:23,806
there's no shame now
in promoting this stuff
906
01:06:23,831 --> 01:06:27,385
and in fact, the benefit
is you get airtime
907
01:06:28,013 --> 01:06:30,126
and if you get airtime,
you become more famous.
908
01:06:30,353 --> 01:06:32,364
Donald Trump is
back here with us.
909
01:06:32,389 --> 01:06:35,084
- Great to have you all here.
- You are a man of action.
910
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,619
Trump is such a foxy character
911
01:06:37,644 --> 01:06:42,456
that if he hadn't been real then Roger
Ailes would have created him in a lab.
912
01:06:42,481 --> 01:06:46,975
He can say what he wants, but the fact is that
this guy has not revealed his birth certificate.
913
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,491
He just signs executive
orders all over the place
914
01:06:49,516 --> 01:06:51,226
then that he will
be sued on that.
915
01:06:51,251 --> 01:06:54,324
He'll be out on a golf course in
about 3 years when it comes up.
916
01:06:54,349 --> 01:06:57,863
Everything he
touches turns to trouble
917
01:06:58,588 --> 01:07:01,703
and I was going to use the worst
word but I refuse to use that word.
918
01:07:03,245 --> 01:07:06,773
You know, Trump had a personal relationship
with a lot of the people of the network.
919
01:07:07,538 --> 01:07:08,917
He was on every Fox show.
920
01:07:08,942 --> 01:07:11,088
He was on O'Reilly.
He was on Hannity.
921
01:07:11,113 --> 01:07:12,834
He was on Fox and
Friends. He was everywhere.
922
01:07:13,025 --> 01:07:15,920
Donald Trump, welcome back.
It's it's Monday. It's time for you.
923
01:07:15,945 --> 01:07:16,724
Good morning.
924
01:07:16,749 --> 01:07:21,988
So, Trump was a familiar
voice to the Fox News audience,
925
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:26,697
which I think is what made him so
palatable during the Republican primary.
926
01:07:28,423 --> 01:07:30,774
That was Roger's
power and influence.
927
01:07:38,949 --> 01:07:44,668
Roger Ailes is one of the most consequential
figures in our cultural history.
928
01:07:45,894 --> 01:07:51,226
And at a time when the news business
as a whole was like dying and failing,
929
01:07:51,970 --> 01:07:55,855
he created one of the most
profitable news ventures ever.
930
01:07:58,274 --> 01:08:02,756
He figured out that there was this white
leaning market that hadn't been cornered.
931
01:08:03,303 --> 01:08:05,474
It aligned with
his own worldview
932
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,881
and in short order, Fox News
became the number one cable network.
933
01:08:09,906 --> 01:08:12,228
Our cable news competition
has been destroyed.
934
01:08:12,308 --> 01:08:14,688
Ratings for liberal
TV news are dismal.
935
01:08:14,713 --> 01:08:17,746
Fox News Channel remained
the top cable news channel...
936
01:08:17,771 --> 01:08:20,654
And then all of his assumptions
have been proven right.
937
01:08:20,679 --> 01:08:23,976
Ailes has signed a new multi-year
contract with the company.
938
01:08:24,236 --> 01:08:27,202
I mean he was
winning. He was winning.
939
01:08:35,794 --> 01:08:38,561
I think when you look at
Roger Ailes in this community,
940
01:08:39,236 --> 01:08:42,415
he tried to take it over but
never really became part of it.
941
01:08:44,043 --> 01:08:46,723
And he may have been a
genius on the national scene,
942
01:08:46,961 --> 01:08:50,818
but I think he really did not get
what the local community was.
943
01:08:53,447 --> 01:08:58,680
I moved up to that quiet village but I had
no idea there was any intrigue up there.
944
01:08:59,384 --> 01:09:02,593
I thought this was a
normal, nice community.
945
01:09:04,135 --> 01:09:06,539
All of a sudden, we
find out, holy shit,
946
01:09:06,824 --> 01:09:09,614
reminds me of the Ia
Drang Valley in Vietnam.
947
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,637
Working at the newspaper
with Roger and Beth,
948
01:09:15,662 --> 01:09:18,289
it was always thinking
the worst of people,
949
01:09:18,314 --> 01:09:20,847
always thinking that
someone was out to get them.
950
01:09:21,941 --> 01:09:24,893
They relished
rousing and dividing
951
01:09:25,634 --> 01:09:28,772
and I just decided I just
can't take it anymore.
952
01:09:30,294 --> 01:09:31,334
Gotta get out.
953
01:09:35,758 --> 01:09:38,625
A great number of
people in their staff left.
954
01:09:39,561 --> 01:09:42,341
It was sizable. It was
you know at least 50%
955
01:09:43,407 --> 01:09:46,516
and we all knew that they
would perceive it as an attack.
956
01:09:51,969 --> 01:09:54,113
About three days
after I left there
957
01:09:54,474 --> 01:09:58,112
I began hearing from people
958
01:09:58,137 --> 01:10:02,535
whom I had sent Facebook messages to, private
Facebook messages, from my own account
959
01:10:04,226 --> 01:10:09,343
that that they knew that
Roger Ailes had looked at them
960
01:10:10,275 --> 01:10:15,372
and in one instance the person
received a phone call from Roger Ailes
961
01:10:15,947 --> 01:10:18,948
and he picked up and he said
and he got this is Roger Ailes
962
01:10:19,234 --> 01:10:22,515
I hear that you've been
making threats about me
963
01:10:23,220 --> 01:10:27,199
and he quoted whatever
innocuous throw away line.
964
01:10:27,314 --> 01:10:30,260
He quoted verbatim from
my personal accounts.
965
01:10:30,637 --> 01:10:33,944
All password projected
signed into by me
966
01:10:35,118 --> 01:10:37,402
and it was
absolutely terrifying.
967
01:10:38,706 --> 01:10:43,076
This feeling that there are really powerful
people who live five minutes from my door
968
01:10:43,181 --> 01:10:45,487
who were out to destroy
me and my little life.
969
01:10:47,552 --> 01:10:49,180
But I was just the copy editor.
970
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:51,467
Like, why does he care?
971
01:10:55,796 --> 01:10:59,298
You know, during the
election, it got so ugly.
972
01:10:59,712 --> 01:11:01,029
I remember at one point
973
01:11:01,054 --> 01:11:04,703
he said, "I'll park a goddamn Fox
News truck at the end of your driveway
974
01:11:04,728 --> 01:11:07,447
and have them follow
you as long as I want.
975
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:12,406
And that's not the kind of thing that
you're expecting in small town politics.
976
01:11:13,988 --> 01:11:17,699
You know, they put our house on the
front page of the Putnam County News
977
01:11:18,740 --> 01:11:21,793
and you know, I was
getting letters about abortion
978
01:11:23,174 --> 01:11:25,283
and one guy told me
point blank one time
979
01:11:25,308 --> 01:11:27,505
if I ever see you across
the street, I'll run you over
980
01:11:27,839 --> 01:11:31,971
and it was like,
man, this is nuts.
981
01:11:38,930 --> 01:11:43,514
But in the end, the election
wasn't close, not within 50%.
982
01:11:44,456 --> 01:11:47,804
We're here at McCoy Gallery's house
celebrating the Democratic sweep.
983
01:11:47,829 --> 01:11:50,541
The oppositions here. We've
all shook hands and made it up.
984
01:11:50,566 --> 01:11:52,661
So, we're looking forward
to working for the town
985
01:11:52,685 --> 01:11:54,642
and getting things
back to normal.
986
01:11:58,913 --> 01:12:00,385
After a winning the election
987
01:12:00,894 --> 01:12:03,084
we spent many
many hours together
988
01:12:03,154 --> 01:12:06,234
and he would call me on a lot of Fridays
come on down, I want to talk to you,
989
01:12:06,259 --> 01:12:07,381
on Friday afternoon.
990
01:12:07,654 --> 01:12:12,944
It would be about local issues and then it would
just morph into him telling me about himself.
991
01:12:13,216 --> 01:12:14,642
Trying to impress me.
992
01:12:15,031 --> 01:12:19,809
He would always tell me how much money he made,
"just made a billion dollars last year for Fox"
993
01:12:20,414 --> 01:12:22,553
and it was sad in a way
I'm thinking here's a guy
994
01:12:23,307 --> 01:12:24,269
with all the money in the world
995
01:12:24,294 --> 01:12:26,748
could be anywhere,
be doing anything
996
01:12:27,261 --> 01:12:30,998
and we're in the offices of
Putnam County News having a chat.
997
01:12:32,134 --> 01:12:35,904
I was wondered, does
this guy have actual friends?
998
01:12:38,388 --> 01:12:40,538
Don't you have
somewhere you'd rather be?
999
01:12:45,363 --> 01:12:48,783
He would come right out and say
why do people hate me so much here?
1000
01:12:56,808 --> 01:13:00,072
People who believe they are
victims will become victims.
1001
01:13:01,038 --> 01:13:03,255
People who believe
that they can win
1002
01:13:03,728 --> 01:13:05,635
eventually will win.
1003
01:13:07,425 --> 01:13:10,494
Keep your eyes on other
people. Watch what's going on.
1004
01:13:11,434 --> 01:13:14,900
Are they agreeing
with you or disagreeing?
1005
01:13:18,401 --> 01:13:23,354
I was told my first week on the
job Roger has this place bugged.
1006
01:13:24,552 --> 01:13:29,958
He's got the newsroom bugged, he's got the elevators
bugged he's got all the talent offices bugged.
1007
01:13:30,521 --> 01:13:32,091
Don't talk shit about Roger.
1008
01:13:32,779 --> 01:13:36,214
Don't talk about how much
you love Hillary Clinton,
1009
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:38,760
because we'll fire you if
they hear you talking like that.
1010
01:13:42,276 --> 01:13:44,843
At one point, he
called me into his office
1011
01:13:45,247 --> 01:13:50,048
and he said, you know, lot of
people doing their homework on you.
1012
01:13:50,073 --> 01:13:51,121
I said, I know.
1013
01:13:51,752 --> 01:13:54,411
And he said, "so you
have to be careful"
1014
01:13:54,683 --> 01:13:57,027
and he said, "I know"
1015
01:13:58,157 --> 01:14:03,767
And he said "look, there's
a lot of stuff out there".
1016
01:14:04,373 --> 01:14:09,130
He reaches down and he pulls up a stack
of file folders about this tall, literally.
1017
01:14:09,914 --> 01:14:11,326
Sits right in front of him
1018
01:14:12,211 --> 01:14:13,926
and he puts his hand on there
1019
01:14:14,369 --> 01:14:18,577
and he sits there and he looks
at me for a while and he said
1020
01:14:20,579 --> 01:14:27,007
"it's always a shame when a man
has a wife as wonderful as yours".
1021
01:14:27,801 --> 01:14:33,199
I was like "oh, my gosh" and I leaned up
out of my chair towards his desk and I said
1022
01:14:33,829 --> 01:14:34,809
"yes"
1023
01:14:35,197 --> 01:14:39,934
and he said "it's always a shame when a
man does something to hurt that woman"
1024
01:14:40,338 --> 01:14:42,602
and I said "it is"
1025
01:14:42,941 --> 01:14:47,074
"and that's why I'm happy to say
nothing like that has happened"
1026
01:14:47,855 --> 01:14:50,447
and he stared at me
for about 30 seconds,
1027
01:14:50,741 --> 01:14:52,133
he put the files down
1028
01:14:52,468 --> 01:14:53,475
and he said
1029
01:14:53,815 --> 01:14:55,283
"but I just want
you to be careful."
1030
01:14:55,307 --> 01:14:58,573
He was fishing for something.
1031
01:14:59,666 --> 01:15:03,001
He was bluffing. I think there
was nothing in those files.
1032
01:15:04,696 --> 01:15:09,346
That was Roger's way of
having control of people.
1033
01:15:11,168 --> 01:15:16,224
First thing I tell people at Fox is, if you're
not happy here and you're not having fun here,
1034
01:15:16,249 --> 01:15:17,842
you need to get out of here.
1035
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,060
Cuz we don't want
to be around downers.
1036
01:15:21,928 --> 01:15:27,056
Negative people make
positive people physically ill.
1037
01:15:29,007 --> 01:15:33,060
All progress depends
on positive people.
1038
01:15:35,848 --> 01:15:39,200
Get away from the other ones.
They're going to drag you down.
1039
01:15:42,620 --> 01:15:46,946
I was offered on three
occasions to go and work at Fox.
1040
01:15:47,848 --> 01:15:50,114
And I turned them all down.
1041
01:15:50,454 --> 01:15:52,523
I think Roger was a
different person then.
1042
01:15:52,927 --> 01:15:57,153
And it wasn't a place
that I wanted to work.
1043
01:15:57,926 --> 01:16:01,327
And it's sad to me that he
went on to do what he did.
1044
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,702
I think he probably
would have been happier
1045
01:16:05,421 --> 01:16:09,480
if America's Talking continued.
1046
01:16:12,054 --> 01:16:13,899
When I went up
to visit him at Fox,
1047
01:16:14,174 --> 01:16:15,641
he seemed happy to see me.
1048
01:16:15,959 --> 01:16:20,646
I mean, he was married, he had a son. He talked
a lot about his son, Zach, when I saw him,
1049
01:16:21,582 --> 01:16:25,013
but I remember thinking
it was a little bit odd
1050
01:16:25,321 --> 01:16:29,909
because he had the bulletproof glass, the
cameras that were feeding into his office.
1051
01:16:29,934 --> 01:16:32,886
It was a steal or some
kind of reinforced door,
1052
01:16:33,059 --> 01:16:37,941
and he said that he had to protect
himself against the Libyans or something.
1053
01:16:41,504 --> 01:16:45,965
Mister Ailes wasn't favorable towards
people of Middle Eastern descent.
1054
01:16:47,061 --> 01:16:50,344
He kind of had these
preconceived ideas of them.
1055
01:16:52,241 --> 01:16:54,534
And there was one incident,
1056
01:16:54,669 --> 01:16:58,547
a horrible incident that a
coworker of mine, Mushfiq,
1057
01:16:58,781 --> 01:17:01,398
he had to bring something
to the second floor
1058
01:17:01,927 --> 01:17:05,391
and wound up in
mister Ailes' area
1059
01:17:05,981 --> 01:17:07,412
and all hell broke loose.
1060
01:17:08,827 --> 01:17:14,893
Next thing you know, there was a wall built so
he had to go through a door to get into his area.
1061
01:17:16,194 --> 01:17:19,107
Mushfiq was upset.
He was in tears.
1062
01:17:19,132 --> 01:17:20,607
They revoked his access,
1063
01:17:20,758 --> 01:17:24,082
not to mister Ailes' area, but
to the second floor entirely.
1064
01:17:27,276 --> 01:17:30,196
Roger Ailes was a
profoundly paranoid person.
1065
01:17:30,927 --> 01:17:33,179
He carried a gun at all times.
1066
01:17:33,401 --> 01:17:35,998
He was convinced that
Al-Qaeda was trying to kill him,
1067
01:17:36,147 --> 01:17:38,936
that gay terrorists
would come attack him.
1068
01:17:40,289 --> 01:17:43,535
Roger Ailes thought
that like Osama Bin Laden
1069
01:17:44,314 --> 01:17:46,680
was sitting in his cave
1070
01:17:47,131 --> 01:17:49,137
and he had like
the list of people.
1071
01:17:49,507 --> 01:17:53,935
And it was like George W.
Bush and then Roger Ailes.
1072
01:17:54,994 --> 01:17:57,433
He thought that he was
a world historical figure
1073
01:17:57,813 --> 01:17:59,866
worthy of an
assassination attempt.
1074
01:18:09,996 --> 01:18:11,562
At the White House
Christmas Party
1075
01:18:11,586 --> 01:18:17,354
I was directly behind Roger in line to
have our photos taken with the president,
1076
01:18:17,379 --> 01:18:19,891
so I peeked around the curtain
1077
01:18:20,129 --> 01:18:23,536
and I watched as
Roger Ailes approached
1078
01:18:23,561 --> 01:18:26,967
and Barack Obama turned
around and held his arms out and
1079
01:18:27,047 --> 01:18:29,620
saw Roger for the
first time and said
1080
01:18:29,928 --> 01:18:33,555
Roger Ailes, the most
powerful man in media.
1081
01:18:33,962 --> 01:18:35,016
Step right up.
1082
01:18:36,267 --> 01:18:41,613
And Roger went up and shook his hand
and they stood and smiled for the camera
1083
01:18:41,804 --> 01:18:43,112
and took the shot.
1084
01:18:44,368 --> 01:18:47,222
I didn't know if they were
going to insult each other
1085
01:18:47,246 --> 01:18:53,194
or like come to blows because
it had been so tense for so long
1086
01:18:54,094 --> 01:19:00,618
and so when we got back the next day I was back at
Fox and I ran into one of the senior vice presidents
1087
01:19:00,767 --> 01:19:03,038
who said "oh did you have
fun at the Christmas party?"
1088
01:19:03,063 --> 01:19:06,869
I said "oh my gosh I had a great time it was
fascinating" because I was right behind Roger
1089
01:19:07,394 --> 01:19:11,563
for the the photo taking and he said "oh
and then you heard the the big moment?"
1090
01:19:11,588 --> 01:19:20,868
and I said "yes I did" and he said "wasn't it crazy to hear
President Obama say Roger Ailes the most powerful man in the world?"
1091
01:19:21,727 --> 01:19:24,061
and I said "that's
not what he said"
1092
01:19:24,461 --> 01:19:25,959
and he said "yes, it is".
1093
01:19:26,199 --> 01:19:30,746
I said "he said Roger Ailes the
most powerful man in media".
1094
01:19:31,427 --> 01:19:35,259
But there was no point in me
going to like burst Roger's bubble
1095
01:19:35,494 --> 01:19:37,684
or call bullshit on it with him,
1096
01:19:37,871 --> 01:19:42,152
you know, one on one, because I saw
that that was already the new narrative.
1097
01:19:55,486 --> 01:20:01,287
Roger was definitely invested in creating a
myth about who he was and what he had come from
1098
01:20:01,648 --> 01:20:04,454
and it was a myth about
overcoming adversity.
1099
01:20:04,809 --> 01:20:06,582
It was a myth about success.
1100
01:20:06,768 --> 01:20:08,255
It was a myth about power.
1101
01:20:10,314 --> 01:20:16,429
For example, the story of Roger jumping to his father
and then being allowed to fall flat on the ground
1102
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,649
is such a well-known
literary trope.
1103
01:20:20,267 --> 01:20:25,212
The story of how a father teaches
his son the hard lessons of life
1104
01:20:26,328 --> 01:20:29,304
it's been used in
literature many many times
1105
01:20:30,453 --> 01:20:34,795
and the story happens in the
bedroom he shares with his brother.
1106
01:20:35,334 --> 01:20:38,396
His brother denies
that that story is true
1107
01:20:38,943 --> 01:20:47,147
but I think it's Roger's effort to create
a kind of "trust no one-victim" narrative
1108
01:20:47,172 --> 01:20:48,675
that really fueled him
1109
01:20:49,774 --> 01:20:51,857
and Roger really knew
how to manipulate that.
1110
01:20:57,548 --> 01:21:00,941
It's hard when you actually
believe in something
1111
01:21:01,447 --> 01:21:04,289
and you you don't
want to do harm
1112
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:07,906
but somehow you
just keep doing harm.
1113
01:21:08,118 --> 01:21:09,370
Ladies and gentlemen.
1114
01:21:09,782 --> 01:21:12,072
Glenn Beck.
1115
01:21:12,554 --> 01:21:14,448
Hello, America!
1116
01:21:16,765 --> 01:21:18,972
I remember when I
was in Washington DC,
1117
01:21:19,261 --> 01:21:21,207
was after the big
thing on the mall
1118
01:21:21,901 --> 01:21:26,188
and I remember praying and hearing
"you're standing in the wrong place."
1119
01:21:26,748 --> 01:21:28,207
We are truly humbled.
1120
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:35,189
How am I now in this position where I'm the
most polarizing divisive figure in the country?
1121
01:21:37,114 --> 01:21:39,844
And it was the
beginning of give it all up.
1122
01:21:39,869 --> 01:21:42,282
Get out. Get out.
Get out. Get out.
1123
01:21:43,955 --> 01:21:46,696
So, I went into Roger's
office and I said "I'm leaving"
1124
01:21:46,721 --> 01:21:49,362
and he said "no, you're not, nobody
leaves" and I said "yeah, you know what?"
1125
01:21:49,609 --> 01:21:50,689
Before you say anything,
1126
01:21:52,547 --> 01:21:57,826
can I just say something because I
know how this is going to end here,
1127
01:21:57,851 --> 01:22:02,863
so just let me say this to
you no matter what thank you
1128
01:22:03,694 --> 01:22:09,569
I said thank you for giving the
conservatives a chance to have a voice
1129
01:22:10,420 --> 01:22:14,124
and he looked at me
and his eyes welled up
1130
01:22:14,467 --> 01:22:20,622
and that meant something to him
that somebody actually sought that way.
1131
01:22:23,066 --> 01:22:27,365
I said to Roger, so what
are you, what's next for you?
1132
01:22:27,473 --> 01:22:29,010
I said, why are you still here?
1133
01:22:30,132 --> 01:22:34,779
And he said I still
have a president to pick.
1134
01:22:37,425 --> 01:22:40,678
I still have a
president to pick.
1135
01:22:48,766 --> 01:22:50,248
We're in a storm.
1136
01:22:50,480 --> 01:22:52,982
Our mast is broken
and our compass is off
1137
01:22:53,007 --> 01:22:55,171
and there's a big
damn hole in the boat.
1138
01:22:56,521 --> 01:23:00,394
We've allowed ourselves
to be manipulated by others.
1139
01:23:03,307 --> 01:23:06,046
Is everything fair game today?
1140
01:23:06,559 --> 01:23:08,439
Is everything personal?
1141
01:23:15,401 --> 01:23:18,880
A sexual harassment scandal is
rocking the world of cable news.
1142
01:23:18,905 --> 01:23:22,443
Gretchen Carlson who until
recently was an anchor for Fox News
1143
01:23:22,468 --> 01:23:24,908
is suing the channel's
powerful CEO
1144
01:23:24,933 --> 01:23:26,153
Roger Ailes.
1145
01:23:26,178 --> 01:23:30,258
She accuses him of firing her
for refusing his sexual advances.
1146
01:23:31,204 --> 01:23:33,557
Gretchen Carlson was
a former Miss America.
1147
01:23:34,114 --> 01:23:36,147
She's crying. That's obligatory.
1148
01:23:36,253 --> 01:23:38,040
She was a violin prodigy
1149
01:23:38,227 --> 01:23:41,584
and had used those talents
to get her Miss America crown.
1150
01:23:42,593 --> 01:23:45,899
But she also had
a kind of hard edge
1151
01:23:46,007 --> 01:23:47,654
and she was sophisticated
1152
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:51,679
even though when she
was on air on Fox & Friends.
1153
01:23:51,807 --> 01:23:53,357
She sort played dumb.
1154
01:23:53,382 --> 01:23:55,780
We're not supposed to wear
the same color and I just...
1155
01:23:55,805 --> 01:23:57,395
It's been one of
those mornings, okay?
1156
01:23:57,673 --> 01:23:58,608
No kidding.
1157
01:23:58,633 --> 01:24:00,861
But she certainly
went into this prepared.
1158
01:24:01,086 --> 01:24:05,267
She had been recording
conversations with Roger
1159
01:24:05,379 --> 01:24:08,603
long before her
contract wasn't renewed.
1160
01:24:08,628 --> 01:24:11,576
She accused him of
angling her in his office
1161
01:24:11,601 --> 01:24:15,402
and asking her to turn around
so he could view her posterior
1162
01:24:15,546 --> 01:24:17,159
claiming Ailes has told her
1163
01:24:17,346 --> 01:24:20,627
I think you and I have
had a sexual relationship
1164
01:24:20,754 --> 01:24:25,106
adding that sometimes problems
are easier to solve that way.
1165
01:24:28,837 --> 01:24:31,561
There is a way to
operate in a crisis
1166
01:24:31,914 --> 01:24:35,874
and there are a group of
professionals who know how to do that.
1167
01:24:37,361 --> 01:24:44,074
When Roger is being accused of sexual
harassment and needs to know he should hire
1168
01:24:44,227 --> 01:24:46,408
and who he should
go to for advice.
1169
01:24:47,008 --> 01:24:49,321
Who does he call
but Donald Trump?
1170
01:24:58,255 --> 01:25:02,543
We operate in a very small
space called crisis communications
1171
01:25:02,568 --> 01:25:06,881
but with clients that find themselves, we
always say in difficult or delicate situations.
1172
01:25:06,906 --> 01:25:09,868
So, we get a lot of our
work through attorneys.
1173
01:25:12,628 --> 01:25:16,148
The day after Gretchen's
lawsuit was filed,
1174
01:25:16,380 --> 01:25:20,188
I was on my way home from the gym
and it was about 7:30 in the morning
1175
01:25:20,327 --> 01:25:25,411
and the phone rang and it was an
attorney that is a well-known litigator.
1176
01:25:25,436 --> 01:25:28,641
He said, I work with
Donald Trump a great deal.
1177
01:25:28,754 --> 01:25:32,633
Donald Trump is looking to find someone
who could help his friend, Roger Ailes.
1178
01:25:34,275 --> 01:25:38,358
And at that point, we did not know
much about Roger's history with women
1179
01:25:38,669 --> 01:25:42,343
and we walked in with the
belief that this was a legal case
1180
01:25:42,368 --> 01:25:44,901
and that they were going to
be fighting it on the legal merits.
1181
01:25:46,769 --> 01:25:52,204
We pulled in and we were greeted by a woman
who introduced herself as Beth Ailes' sister
1182
01:25:52,547 --> 01:25:54,935
and she took us
into the living room,
1183
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:59,079
which was very
heavy chins floral sofas
1184
01:25:59,233 --> 01:26:02,545
and seated against the
windows in this huge armchair
1185
01:26:02,621 --> 01:26:09,453
was Roger himself larger than
life hooked up to an intravenous bag
1186
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:14,007
attached to one of those
long, those high metal stands
1187
01:26:14,308 --> 01:26:17,860
and Beth said Roger
is getting his vitamins.
1188
01:26:17,885 --> 01:26:22,521
There was this whirlwind going
on around him and about him.
1189
01:26:22,552 --> 01:26:25,818
It was just this
frenetic kind of energy,
1190
01:26:25,936 --> 01:26:30,271
war room like, of phones
ringing, people walking in and out.
1191
01:26:30,296 --> 01:26:32,491
I just heard from
Alan Dershowitz
1192
01:26:32,516 --> 01:26:36,492
Oh, that's so and so is weighing
in. I need to get on the phone.
1193
01:26:36,517 --> 01:26:38,220
Rudy Giuliani
could just called me.
1194
01:26:38,245 --> 01:26:42,633
Everybody was a guardian
at the gate to protect Roger
1195
01:26:42,742 --> 01:26:48,463
and he really responded,
I think, very well to that.
1196
01:26:48,488 --> 01:26:57,139
Which is one of the reasons why it offended
him that Gretchen Carlson had sued him.
1197
01:26:57,164 --> 01:27:00,194
This no good sort
of talentless reporter.
1198
01:27:00,219 --> 01:27:05,293
He said that really the
lawsuit wasn't about the money.
1199
01:27:05,558 --> 01:27:07,924
It was about getting attention.
1200
01:27:07,949 --> 01:27:14,863
And that she was desperate to be on television and
without being on television she had no reason to live.
1201
01:27:14,888 --> 01:27:19,326
And I said you know in the
end all these cases usually settle
1202
01:27:19,351 --> 01:27:21,590
because it's not worth
the negative publicity
1203
01:27:21,872 --> 01:27:23,785
and it's not worth the impact
1204
01:27:23,810 --> 01:27:30,032
and when I said that, Beth Ailes jumped out of her
chair furious and she said, with this look in her eyes,
1205
01:27:30,057 --> 01:27:33,422
we will never ever
settle this case
1206
01:27:33,707 --> 01:27:37,073
and she looked at us and she said,
you need to understand something.
1207
01:27:37,172 --> 01:27:40,468
Roger is more
important than America.
1208
01:27:40,987 --> 01:27:44,521
I looked at Warren and I looked at his
pad because Warren was taking notes
1209
01:27:44,621 --> 01:27:46,735
and Warren said,
I'm writing it down.
1210
01:27:47,288 --> 01:27:49,416
Roger is more
important than America.
1211
01:27:54,828 --> 01:28:00,645
Fox News Chairman Roger Ailes is responding to
a lawsuit filed by lawyers for Gretchen Carlson
1212
01:28:00,670 --> 01:28:04,096
calling her accusations or
allegations false and defensive.
1213
01:28:04,121 --> 01:28:08,892
They said all statements will
be run through Irena Briganti,
1214
01:28:09,001 --> 01:28:11,740
the head of public
relations for Fox
1215
01:28:11,765 --> 01:28:14,688
who he told us
was a stone killer
1216
01:28:15,322 --> 01:28:23,210
and she was intensely in focused on getting as many of
the highest profile and frankly best looking women on Fox
1217
01:28:23,408 --> 01:28:25,864
that indeed he
was not a harasser
1218
01:28:25,928 --> 01:28:30,032
and Irena was really to say proud that in
one day she'd been able to enlist 22 people
1219
01:28:30,056 --> 01:28:31,814
- just to say...
- We're up to 22.
1220
01:28:31,839 --> 01:28:33,547
Right, we're up to 22, Roger.
1221
01:28:34,434 --> 01:28:37,828
Several female Fox anchors
are coming to his defense,
1222
01:28:37,853 --> 01:28:42,873
including Maria Bartiromo, who says I've
known him to be nothing but a professional.
1223
01:28:45,234 --> 01:28:48,435
It's very sad because
he's a very good person
1224
01:28:48,668 --> 01:28:52,116
and I can tell you that some of
the women that are complaining,
1225
01:28:52,778 --> 01:28:54,587
I know how much
he's helped them.
1226
01:28:55,540 --> 01:29:02,856
Beth called Kimberly Guilfoyle who was one of the anchors at
something like 6:30 in the morning, the day after the suit was filed.
1227
01:29:03,247 --> 01:29:11,002
The idea was to get Kimberly to
read a statement of support on air
1228
01:29:11,153 --> 01:29:15,674
while a group of Fox News
women walked in behind her
1229
01:29:15,699 --> 01:29:20,125
and formed a sort of semi circle
behind her as a show of support for him.
1230
01:29:21,281 --> 01:29:24,201
They had a whole strategy
and the more we push back,
1231
01:29:24,668 --> 01:29:27,500
Irena would say
things like, stand down.
1232
01:29:29,547 --> 01:29:30,515
So, here's the deal.
1233
01:29:30,540 --> 01:29:32,888
If somebody is
paying you a wage,
1234
01:29:32,913 --> 01:29:35,259
you owe that person
or company allegiance.
1235
01:29:35,454 --> 01:29:39,535
If you don't like what's happening in the
workplace, go to human resources or leave
1236
01:29:39,714 --> 01:29:43,558
but don't run down the concern that
supports you by trying to undermine it.
1237
01:29:44,004 --> 01:29:46,513
Factor tip of the
day, loyalty is good.
1238
01:29:51,569 --> 01:29:53,574
Fox is Ailes' fiefdom
1239
01:29:53,861 --> 01:29:56,649
but even he has a boss,
three bosses actually,
1240
01:29:56,674 --> 01:29:58,585
Rupert Murdoch and his two sons
1241
01:29:58,617 --> 01:30:00,843
and the Murdochs
are now involved.
1242
01:30:03,580 --> 01:30:06,070
Rupert had always
protected Roger
1243
01:30:06,745 --> 01:30:11,264
but this time it was different because
Rupert's sons James and Lachlan Murdoch,
1244
01:30:11,289 --> 01:30:14,482
who had never liked Roger.
Roger never liked them.
1245
01:30:14,928 --> 01:30:20,876
Had decided to hire an outside law firm
to investigate the claims against Roger.
1246
01:30:23,245 --> 01:30:24,882
He was so dismissive.
1247
01:30:25,795 --> 01:30:29,458
He really believed that as
annoying as these two kids were,
1248
01:30:30,207 --> 01:30:32,101
you know, he
could flick them off
1249
01:30:32,126 --> 01:30:38,299
and that's really why he had to defend this lawsuit so that
they didn't use this as the weapon that they were looking for.
1250
01:30:40,867 --> 01:30:43,687
He told us that most
of the talent on Fox
1251
01:30:43,712 --> 01:30:46,697
had in their contract that
they had the right to walk.
1252
01:30:46,721 --> 01:30:50,277
If anything were to happen to
him and he were to have to leave
1253
01:30:50,635 --> 01:30:53,393
and so he was really
intent on showing that
1254
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:56,987
almost every notable name on
Fox was going to leave with him.
1255
01:30:57,267 --> 01:31:00,915
Who with any kind of fiduciary
responsibility allows that to happen?
1256
01:31:01,906 --> 01:31:04,226
That if the the CEO leaves,
1257
01:31:04,647 --> 01:31:08,282
everyone else can leave, all the key
players can leave and destroy the network.
1258
01:31:08,307 --> 01:31:09,839
Wow, that's wow.
1259
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:13,138
I think that there
was a part of Roger
1260
01:31:13,577 --> 01:31:17,158
that wanted to be remembered
as the guy who built Fox
1261
01:31:17,374 --> 01:31:19,840
and as soon as he left,
the whole thing fell apart.
1262
01:31:21,102 --> 01:31:24,702
Bill O'Reilly's going to leave if I leave.
Greta Van Susteren gonna leave if I leave.
1263
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:26,743
Janine, I mean, he went
through the whole list.
1264
01:31:26,768 --> 01:31:29,002
- But when are we going to get Megan?
- Where do we, right.
1265
01:31:29,027 --> 01:31:32,449
What's with Megan? And I read it
said, we'll have to discuss that offline.
1266
01:31:32,569 --> 01:31:33,322
Right.
1267
01:31:33,347 --> 01:31:34,900
And Beth was livid.
1268
01:31:34,925 --> 01:31:37,777
Livid that the answer
wasn't an immediate yes.
1269
01:31:39,287 --> 01:31:43,351
Now another Fox News anchor
Megyn Kelly has entered the controversy.
1270
01:31:43,376 --> 01:31:49,157
Kelly told investigators Ailes harassed her when
she was a young correspondent in Washington.
1271
01:31:49,485 --> 01:31:52,846
It was explicit quid pro
quo sexual harassment
1272
01:31:52,871 --> 01:31:56,566
which was you know basically you sleep
with me and I'll give you a promotion.
1273
01:31:57,185 --> 01:32:01,519
But I had to shove him off of me and he came back
and I shoved him again and he came back a third time.
1274
01:32:01,775 --> 01:32:05,256
And then when I shoved him off the third
time he asked me when my contract was up.
1275
01:32:06,185 --> 01:32:10,428
Congratulations, Roger. You
finally achieved your ultimate fantasy.
1276
01:32:10,548 --> 01:32:14,252
Getting fucked by two gorgeous
employees at the same time.
1277
01:32:17,843 --> 01:32:20,765
Gretchen had started
a #StandWithGretchen
1278
01:32:21,307 --> 01:32:23,560
and more accusations
have kept coming out.
1279
01:32:23,585 --> 01:32:29,490
Half a dozen additional women claiming the Fox
News Chairman sexually harassed them years ago.
1280
01:32:29,846 --> 01:32:31,639
And the dam broke.
1281
01:32:32,041 --> 01:32:35,153
People who had been
afraid of him for decades
1282
01:32:35,655 --> 01:32:41,621
finally felt a little bit more
emboldened to actually talk about him.
1283
01:32:46,608 --> 01:32:49,591
When Gretchen came forward,
1284
01:32:50,015 --> 01:32:53,990
I said, I have to support this
woman. I have to let her know
1285
01:32:54,974 --> 01:32:59,508
that this has happened for 50 years
with this man and I'm a little nobody
1286
01:32:59,634 --> 01:33:03,575
but it happened to me
and I want you to know that.
1287
01:33:07,413 --> 01:33:09,546
I was just beginning
to modeling,
1288
01:33:09,571 --> 01:33:13,297
and I got a call from the Mike Douglas
Show that we wanted me to come down
1289
01:33:13,434 --> 01:33:14,773
and audition
1290
01:33:14,940 --> 01:33:18,007
and then I had a call
from Roger Ailes himself
1291
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:23,715
telling me that he wanted me to wear a
garter belt and stockings and high heels
1292
01:33:23,740 --> 01:33:26,241
and I thought it
was a little odd but
1293
01:33:26,627 --> 01:33:30,497
I was new in this career so I put
them on and went to the audition.
1294
01:33:32,940 --> 01:33:34,720
And when I got there,
1295
01:33:34,851 --> 01:33:37,166
he took me in his
office, closed the door,
1296
01:33:37,473 --> 01:33:41,425
and he said, I want you
to show me your legs
1297
01:33:41,694 --> 01:33:46,485
and I said, well, why
would you want me to do
1298
01:33:46,632 --> 01:33:52,281
And he said, no, no, no. If your legs look good in the
that stockings and garter belt, I know you have great legs.
1299
01:33:54,205 --> 01:33:56,781
Then he asked me
to sit on the sofa,
1300
01:33:56,877 --> 01:33:59,958
pull my skirt up, stand
in different poses,
1301
01:34:00,098 --> 01:34:03,557
pull my skirt up while he
was taking polaroids off me.
1302
01:34:07,039 --> 01:34:10,611
And then he said that he
would put me on the show
1303
01:34:10,975 --> 01:34:12,691
but I had to go to bed with him
1304
01:34:13,014 --> 01:34:17,685
and I just said kind of off hand
"yeah, right, you and who else?"
1305
01:34:17,854 --> 01:34:22,741
and he just said "just me and
a few of my preferred friends."
1306
01:34:26,015 --> 01:34:28,481
He was treating me
like I was a whore.
1307
01:34:28,792 --> 01:34:30,139
That's how I felt.
1308
01:34:30,518 --> 01:34:37,523
And at that point I just
said no. No. I can't do that.
1309
01:34:37,548 --> 01:34:41,129
And he said "no, pretty girls
like you are a dime a dozen."
1310
01:34:41,548 --> 01:34:44,673
And that's when I ended
the interview and left.
1311
01:34:47,141 --> 01:34:52,791
And never enter my head to tell
anybody until I heard about Gretchen.
1312
01:34:54,814 --> 01:34:56,611
My son said to me, mom,
1313
01:34:58,670 --> 01:34:59,940
Be brave.
1314
01:35:01,381 --> 01:35:04,038
Thank you for standing
up for all the women
1315
01:35:06,242 --> 01:35:07,782
that go through this.
1316
01:35:12,595 --> 01:35:14,373
That just really touched me
1317
01:35:14,788 --> 01:35:16,841
that that he was proud
that I was doing it.
1318
01:35:32,964 --> 01:35:37,342
I think the twist of the night for Rogers
when he realizes that Rupert isn't behind him.
1319
01:35:37,887 --> 01:35:39,386
And he is going to have to go
1320
01:35:40,086 --> 01:35:44,914
but there's still muscle memory for
Roger so he's still showing up for work.
1321
01:35:46,614 --> 01:35:48,924
So, he's on his
way to the office
1322
01:35:49,154 --> 01:35:52,922
and his driver gets a call
from the head of security,
1323
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:56,673
says, please drive him
around the block a few times.
1324
01:35:59,501 --> 01:36:03,969
So there's this absurd scene
where his driver drives him around
1325
01:36:04,234 --> 01:36:08,662
and then gets word that he's
been locked out of the building.
1326
01:36:11,434 --> 01:36:16,492
It's such an ignominious end to not even
be able to come in and collect your things
1327
01:36:16,573 --> 01:36:18,593
from the place
that you've created.
1328
01:36:20,893 --> 01:36:23,240
They took him out
like a drone strike.
1329
01:36:23,387 --> 01:36:27,608
They just wanted to remove
him from the equation.
1330
01:36:35,228 --> 01:36:39,466
Once there was that cascade of
allegations and once Rupert Murdoch
1331
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:41,763
obviously made the
decision to fire him,
1332
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:42,895
that was it.
1333
01:36:43,067 --> 01:36:45,568
You didn't see him anymore.
They were gone. They were done.
1334
01:36:48,174 --> 01:36:54,057
I don't think he wanted to show his face around town
which is he must have cared about his reputation obviously
1335
01:36:54,254 --> 01:36:58,581
and it was, that sort of thing
is not good for your reputation.
1336
01:37:01,186 --> 01:37:05,826
I will admit to as woman after
woman came forward although
1337
01:37:06,063 --> 01:37:09,874
I felt sorry for the women at the
same time I was like he's done.
1338
01:37:10,007 --> 01:37:11,944
It finally happened he's done.
1339
01:37:13,267 --> 01:37:16,398
And I was happy that it
happened while he was alive.
1340
01:37:16,667 --> 01:37:21,295
Fox settled with Carlson agreeing
to pay her a staggering 20 million...
1341
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:23,928
Three weeks later
Gretchen got her settlement
1342
01:37:24,114 --> 01:37:26,858
and 14 more women
came forward and said
1343
01:37:26,981 --> 01:37:29,709
what about me I've got a
story that's not very different
1344
01:37:29,734 --> 01:37:32,075
and it wasn't just
confined to Roger Ailes.
1345
01:37:32,100 --> 01:37:35,405
A "sex-fueled-Playboy-mansion
like cult",
1346
01:37:35,430 --> 01:37:38,036
that's how host to describe
the Fox News Channel.
1347
01:37:38,151 --> 01:37:39,811
We were abused.
1348
01:37:40,154 --> 01:37:44,386
Our careers were were destroyed
and our lives were destroyed.
1349
01:37:44,586 --> 01:37:46,931
The case gets uglier
and uglier by the day.
1350
01:37:46,956 --> 01:37:50,101
Six more women now claim
Ailes sexually harassed them.
1351
01:37:50,126 --> 01:37:53,100
In shocking accounts
reported by New York magazine,
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half a dozen additional
women claiming...
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I didn't realize the extent
to which Roger really was
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a predator.
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He would have me get
down on my knees and
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tell me You know what you are, Laura.
You're my whore. You're my sex glade.
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On Fox News, Megyn Kelly
has a new book coming out.
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- Have you read it?
- No.
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- Haven't I read it? No.
- You're in it.
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I'm not that interested
in this, okay?
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I'm not interested in making
my network look bad at all
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that doesn't
interest me one bit.
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Nobody could have predicted
how fast the house of cards fell.
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Fire, Bill, Riley.
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Bill O'Reilly settled a sexual harassment
claim to the tune of $32 million.
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$32 million,
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which is around the same amount OJ
Simpson had to pay the Goldman family
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in a civil lawsuit for
murdering two people.
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Little do we know they would
have this cascading effect
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and that in the space of one
year Roger would be ousted,
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that Bill O'Reilly
would be ousted.
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This was a hit job.
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A political financial hit shot to
bring down Fox News and me.
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So does that mean things
have changed at Fox?
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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How harmful has the whole raft of allegations about
sexual harassment at Fox News been for the business?
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It's all nonsense.
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There was a problem
with our chief executive.
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Sort of over the year
but isolated incidents.
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Soon as we investigated, he
was out of the place in hours.
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Well, 3 or 4 days.
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And there's been
nothing else since then
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I mean there are
really bad cases
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that people should
be moved aside.
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And there are other things
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which probably amount to
a bit of flirting, you know?
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I think Rupert Murdoch is
a disgusting human being.
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He allowed so many
abuses to take place
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and when Rupert went
on television and said
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that what was going
on at Fox News was
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flirting, nonsense,
only Roger Ailes.
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I knew that I had to respond.
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Hundreds of millions of dollars has
gone to settling cases with women
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over and over and over again and
we've been told that we have to shut up.
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We just wanted to work. That's all
we've ever wanted to do was work.
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That is not nonsense.
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This is people's lives.
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There have been plenty of
settlements that none of us know about.
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And women who've disappeared from there because
they're afraid to say anything publicly.
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That's how big this was.
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Since 2004, sexual harassment at 21st Century
Fox has led to payouts of more than $163 million.
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Settlements require silence.
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The actual number of cases,
and full money paid, is unknown.
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As more and more stories have
come forth since Roger Ailes,
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you begin to realize that
people like Roger Ailes
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can't get away with all this stuff if there
aren't a circle of people around them,
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that make them look
better than they are,
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that protect them legally,
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that schedule those meetings, that
get rid of people that are problems,
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and that's not us and that's
why this is the first time,
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publicly, we've really
spoken about it at all.
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We really
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don't talk about clients and
our clients expect us not to.
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But in this case not only
did we not have a contract,
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not only did we not have an NDA not only did
we not have any legal reasons why we couldn't.
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- Or get paid.
- or get paid.
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But it's wrong, it's so wrong
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and I can't be part of that and not only am I not
going to be part of that I'm going to expose it
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so that these men one day can get some of what they really
deserve which is that there's justice for their victims
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Roger died within a
year of leaving Fox News.
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Because Fox News was
such a big part of Roger Ailes
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that when it all fell apart,
there was nothing left for Roger.
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That's who he was.
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He was chairman of Fox.
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Our former CEO and chairman,
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husband to Beth,
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father of Zach,
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fell at his home in
Florida and did not survive.
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Roger Ailes was a patriot.
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He was the biggest personality and the most influential
and powerful man I ever personally encountered.
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I loved him.
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Roger gave every single one of
us on this couch an opportunity.
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He put food on our
table and you know,
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he went out in such a sad
way but who doesn't have sins?
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He will be missed on this
channel. He will be missed.
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There's no denying.
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He was a powerful, influential
person who changed the country.
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Roger knew what fear could do. Roger knew
what paranoia could do to the audience.
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They kept coming back.
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The big disappointment is that he
used his talent and his media savvy
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to build something
that drove a wedge.
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To me that's pretty devastating.
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I thought that things would be
more different after he was gone
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but he casts such a long shadow
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that his vision can
actually go on without him.
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There is a report out there guys
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that the President of the United
States watches us at 7 AM Eastern Time.
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So let's take a look at
the White House right now.
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If if the President of the United
States is actually watching,
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blink the lights
on and off. Okay.
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Oh my goodness.
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