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We must break free from
the petty politics of the past.
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America is a nation of believers
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that is being led by a group
of censors, critics and cynics.
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All of the people telling you, "You
can't have the country you want,"
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are the same people
that wouldn't stand...
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I mean, they said, "Trump doesn't
have a chance of being here tonight."
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Oh, we love defeating
those people, don't we?
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Don't we love defeating them?
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To all Americans
tonight, I make this promise.
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We will make America safe again.
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We will make
America strong again.
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And we will make
America great again!
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God bless you and good night!
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I love you.
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My name is Roger Stone,
and I'm an agent provocateur.
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Stone's Rules are things
that I have learned in life
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that I seek to pass on to others
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who may want to be in the
same business that I'm in.
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Or, actually, any business,
'cause they are fully applicable.
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So, for example, a Stone's Rule:
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"It is better to be infamous
than never be famous at all."
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Stone's Rule.
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One man's dirty trick is
another man's political, civic action.
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Everything I do, everything
I've done, has been legal.
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But politics ain't beanbag
and losers don't legislate.
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The truth will be
suppressed no longer.
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Lock her up!
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Lock her up!
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Well, Roger has a
really rough reputation.
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They talk about "dirty trickster"
and lots of other things,
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but I've known him for a long
time, and he's actually a quality guy.
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He's a nice guy.
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Just a few
descriptions of you here:
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"a state-of-the-art
sleazeball," "a little rat,"
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"an actor who likes
to assume poses."
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I believe in winning.
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I believe in doing whatever is
necessary to win, short of breaking the law.
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In the world of political consulting,
there are a number of rogues.
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But there's...
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There's really nobody
quite like Roger Stone.
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Roger is the sinister Forrest
Gump of American politics.
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He's not just this simpleminded guy,
but this Machiavellian, almost crazy guy
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who shows up at every key
moment in recent American history.
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Roger has a great
understanding of the media.
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He understands politics and
he understands politicians.
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And he always likes
to take on somebody
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that at least has a
good chance of winning,
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and sometimes it
doesn't work out.
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He's had some people that I said,
"What are you doing with these people?"
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But, you know... But he
loves it and he loves the game.
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He has fun with it,
and he's very good at it.
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Roger Stone created
Donald Trump as a political figure.
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There is no doubt that in
tone, in affect, in profile,
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the Trump candidacy was a
pure Roger Stone production.
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When Mexico sends its people...
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They're bringing drugs,
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they're bringing crime,
they're rapists.
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And some, I assume,
are good people.
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Whereas the
rest of us looked at Trump
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and saw someone who was
impossibly vulgar and impolite,
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Roger looked at him and said, "You know,
this is someone who voters might like."
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I mean, Roger actually
gets democracy in a way,
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I think most people
who cover politics don't.
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You know, democracy is the
process of appealing to the majority.
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My name's Donald Trump,
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and I'm the largest real
estate developer in New York.
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I own buildings all over the place,
model agencies, the Miss Universe pageant.
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But it wasn't always so easy.
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About 13 years ago,
I was billions of dollars in debt.
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But I fought back
and I won, big league.
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Now my company is bigger than it ever
was and I'm having more fun than I ever had.
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Hello, everybody.
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Fifteen
seasons of The Apprentice
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not only makes him a
smooth television performer,
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but think of the way he looked.
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High-backed chair, perfectly lit,
great makeup, great hair, decisive,
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making decisions, running
the show. He looks presidential.
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Do you think voters,
non-sophisticates,
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make a difference between
entertainment and politics?
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Politics is show business
for ugly people.
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Roger always wanted me
to run for president.
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And over the years, every time
a presidential race came up,
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he always wanted me to run.
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And I just didn't have
interest at that time.
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And nor was the country in
trouble like it is today.
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The American Dream is dead.
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Bring it back!
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But if I get elected president,
I will bring it back.
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Bigger and better and
stronger than ever before.
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# Cowardice
- Are you serious?
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# Apologies for freedom
- I can't handle this!
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# When freedom rings
- Answer the call!
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# On your feet
- Stand up tall!
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# Freedom's on our
shoulders - USA!
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# Enemies of freedom
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# Face the music
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# Come on, boys Take 'em down!
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# President Donald Trump
knows how To make America great
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# Deal from strength Or
get crushed every time
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It's really great to be
here in Cleveland, 2016.
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A lot of beautiful people here.
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1776!
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# Over here
- USA!
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# Over there
-USA!
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# O, say, can you see
It's not so easy
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# But we have to stand up tall
And answer freedom's call
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I have never been more excited
about a presidential campaign.
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I have never seen a
grassroots uprising.
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This is not the Republicans
versus the Democrats.
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That's right.
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This is the elites of the
Republican and Democratic Party
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who have driven this
country into the ditch
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versus Donald J. Trump
and the rest of America.
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I thank you for your support.
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We are on the verge of making
America great again. Thank you.
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How are you doing? Good.
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Take a picture with my son?
- Yes. How are ya?
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And if you decide to run for
president in, like, 2039, look me up.
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I will.
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I understand how fame works.
You know, the four stages of fame.
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It's like, "Who is Roger Stone?"
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"Get me Roger Stone."
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"Get me a Roger Stone type."
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"Who is Roger Stone?"
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A mock election was planned
in my elementary school.
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And I was for John F. Kennedy
because my parents were Catholic,
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and I thought, although
they were Republicans,
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they had a certain
sympathy for Kennedy.
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But also because Kennedy's hair was
so much better than Nixon's hair.
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And, therefore, I
went to the cafeteria
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and as each kid would go
through the cafeteria line with their tray,
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I would tell them, "You
know, Nixon has proposed
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having school on Saturdays."
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Well, then the mock
election was held,
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and to the surprise of
the local newspaper,
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Democrat John Kennedy
swept this mock election.
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For the first time ever, I understood
the value of disinformation.
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Of course, I've never
practiced it since then.
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We Republicans seek
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a government that attends to
its inherent responsibilities,
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encouraging a free and
a competitive economy,
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and enforcing law and order.
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My first Republican
National Convention was 1964.
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I was 12 years old.
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The woman who lived next door to
me, she gave me a copy of a book,
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The Conscience of a Conservative
by Barry Goldwater.
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And I devoured this book
in, you know, a day.
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It was at that moment that I
knew what I wanted to do.
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I no longer wanted to be an actor.
I now wanted to be in politics.
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Little did I know how
similar they are.
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I became a zealot. I had a
Goldwater sticker on my bicycle.
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I wore Goldwater buttons.
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I wore a Goldwater button two
weeks after the election was over.
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That's how defiant I was.
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I met Roger in college.
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He was really a total prodigy,
in terms of his political ability.
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He was talking grown men back
home into running for office, electing them.
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And then we would
sit in our dorm room
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and they would call
Roger for political advice
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as to how they should
vote on key issues.
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His mother once said,
"You're not a Catholic.
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Your religion is the Republican Party
and your god is Richard Nixon."
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Bart Porter asked him,
you know, if he'd be interested
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in coming to the Nixon campaign,
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so Roger took time off of
school to go join the campaign.
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This is central headquarters
for the Re-Elect Nixon Campaign.
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The White House.
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But for the sake of appearances,
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the Re-Elect Nixon headquarters, in name,
is one block up Pennsylvania Avenue.
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The Committee to
Re-Elect the President
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was unlike any campaign
that I'd been in.
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It didn't look like your typical
political headquarters.
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It had a very hushed,
corporate quality to it.
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Porter called me into
his office and said,
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"We want you to go
to New Hampshire,
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and we want you to give this
contribution to Pete McCloskey,
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who's running for the
Republican nomination,
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challenging Nixon from the left,
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in the name of the Young
Socialist Alliance."
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I got an enormous mason jar,
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filled it with pennies and
nickels and dimes and quarters.
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I brought it to the
McCloskey headquarters.
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I said, "Hi, I'm from the
Young Socialist Alliance.
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I wanna donate this,
and I need a receipt."
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They were so dumb,
they gave me one.
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The idea was to give the receipt
to the Manchester Union Leader,
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the largest newspaper in New Hampshire,
as a way of discrediting McCloskey.
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A perfect example of a dirty trick
that had no purpose and no effect,
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but the Nixon people
thought it was great.
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I never heard another
word about it...
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until an investigator from the Senate
Watergate Committee knocked on my door.
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We have a mystery
story out of Washington.
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Five people have been
arrested and charged
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with breaking into the headquarters
of the Democratic National Committee
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in the middle of the night.
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The Democratic
National Committee is located
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in the Watergate
office building.
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I welcome this kind
of examination,
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because people have got to know whether
or not their president is a crook.
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Well, I'm not a crook.
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I've earned everything I've got.
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I was the youngest person to go
to the Watergate grand jury.
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During the Senate Watergate
Committee hearings,
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this enormous chart was put up,
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in which everyone who received money from
this secret fund was put on the wall.
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And it said, "Gordon
Liddy, McCord, Segretti."
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And then way down at the
bottom, it said "Stone."
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I paid $100 to Mr. Roger
Stone on one occasion.
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My parents called me on the phone.
They were mortified.
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I thought it was pretty cool.
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To leave office before
my term is completed
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is abhorrent to every
instinct in my body.
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But as president, I must put the
interests of America first.
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Therefore, I shall resign the
presidency effective at noon tomorrow.
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I was a Watergate
figure at 19 years old.
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I mean, at the time, I
was scared shitless.
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It was very hard to find work.
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We used to have these buttons
that said "hire a Watergate vet."
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So this is the Batcave. This is
"the Factory," as we call it.
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This is where I tape my
Saturday radio shows.
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It is also the repository
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of probably the world's largest
collection of Nixon memorabilia.
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The 1962 campaign for governor.
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Uh, a rally that I
actually attended.
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A head shot poster of the day.
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This is protesting Nixon's
historic trip to China.
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Here you have the first and
second generation Nixon bongs.
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This is among my most
prized possessions.
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Roger Stone does occasional
political chores for Nixon.
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One such chore, to organize dinners of
journalists at Nixon's New Jersey home.
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I was the assigned liaison
between the Reagan campaign
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and former President Nixon,
transmitting memos back and forth.
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It was not until his post-presidency
that we became close friends.
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He had been through
a lot, obviously,
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but I think he was just
as resilient as ever.
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His greatest single
quality is resilience.
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And that's the purpose
of my tattoo.
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It's not an ideological
statement.
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It's a reminder that in life,
when you get knocked down,
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you have to get up off the canvas and
keep pushing, get back in the game.
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That's the story of Nixon.
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A man is not finished when he is defeated.
He's only finished when he quits.
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The Nixon tattoo is really
all you need to know about Roger.
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Because he thinks Nixon's
approach to politics,
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the toughness, the
win-at-all-costs mentality,
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that's what Roger reflects.
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Delegates to the Young Republicans
Convention in Memphis
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have chosen as their chairman a
conservative with a Watergate past.
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Watergate
dominated this convention
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because the Republican
Party's important youth arm
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was about to be taken over by Roger
Stone, a 25-year-old political operative
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who was deeply involved in the 1972
Nixon "dirty tricks" campaign.
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They embellished what
was a 20-year-old kid's role
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into being the
mastermind of Watergate.
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Roger saw the opportunity
to build a reputation
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off of being viewed as that
politically significant.
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Opponents
of Stone contend
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that his election is part of a
move by conservative activists
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to take over the
Republican Party.
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When
we elected Roger,
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we moved the Republican Party in
a more ideological direction.
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Up until that point, it was straddling
the old Republican establishment
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and the new conservative movement that
was started in Barry Goldwater days.
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We built on that,
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and I think when Roger was elected
chairman of the Young Republicans,
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you know, that was the piece
that finalized everything.
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For many years, the
Republican Party
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was associated with this sort of
good guy, Eisenhower earnestness.
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What happened with the new right
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was there was a new generation
of people who said,
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"You know what? We're gonna fight
dirty and we're gonna win."
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Among the revolutionary changes in
American politics the past few years
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has been the rise of the
political action committees,
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called PACs, fund-raising
groups for special interests.
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NCPAC,
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the National Conservative Political
Action Committee based in Virginia,
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rich in money, and dedicated to
doing in the nation's liberals.
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Even, its director Terry Dolan says, if
that means using the politics of fear.
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I don't think there's
anything wrong with fear.
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I met Terry Dolan
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when we were teenage Republicans
together in Connecticut.
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When we got married,
Terry was our best man.
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But more than that, he actually
ended up moving in with us.
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We used to refer to
him as "the child."
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It was on our living room
floor that NCPAC was born.
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NCPAC, the National Conservative
Political Action Committee,
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is transformative in the sense
that we really pioneered
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negative campaign advertising in
massive doses to win elections.
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Up to that time, it
really hadn't been done.
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I came to Washington for
the Wall Street Journal
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in, um, the very end of 1983.
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And Roger was already
kind of a legend by then,
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kind of a dark
legend,
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because of the negative ads
that he and NCPAC had run.
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So people thought of him as kind
of a wizard behind the scenes.
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I remember meeting him on
the street and thinking,
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"Wow, that's Roger Stone."
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Birch Bayh telling
us he's fighting inflation.
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The price tag on that
baloney is $46 billion.
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Because if Bayh wins, you lose.
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The story of NCPAC is
that after Watergate,
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there were campaign
finance reforms
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to try to control the corruption
in spending on politics.
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So what the Republicans did was,
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they figured out a way
around the new rules.
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The focus of NCPAC was
to use all the tools of a campaign,
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but instead of
having a candidate,
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to use it through a PAC.
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We could only
give a Senate campaign,
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in a direct financial
transfer of $5,000.
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But the loophole was we could
advertise on behalf of a candidate,
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without their cooperation or
coordination, an unlimited amount.
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And that's why NCPAC
was successful.
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It was a political
disaster for Senate Democrats.
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They not only lost
control of the Senate,
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they lost some of the biggest
names in the Democratic Party
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and many of their most
prominent liberals.
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Regrettably, NCPAC consistently plays
to the dark side of human nature.
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Its stock-in-trade is the half-truth,
the innuendo, the distortion.
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Power is
what PACs are about.
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The power to raise and give
money to political candidates,
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who, in turn, will at
least give them a hearing
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and at best do their bidding.
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Roger was one of the inventors
of the modern political system.
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The PACs, the super PACs.
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That is where Roger has
made his influence,
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and it continues to be felt.
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I'm convinced that at some point,
with these types of programs,
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you could elect Mickey Mouse
to the House or the Senate.
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Ronald
Reagan for president.
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He'll make America great again.
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The district we're
in is Congressman Gary Lee.
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After this, we go to
the 32nd District,
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where those guys just got
knocked off the ballot.
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You're good at this.
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You must have had
some experience.
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1980, Ronald Reagan
defeats Jimmy Carter.
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I was running three
northeastern states for Reagan,
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as a regional
political director.
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I think most observers
didn't recognize
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Reagan's enormous appeal
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to blue-collar Catholics
and working-class people.
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And, of course, he carried all
three states and the presidency.
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And I'm proud of the fact that I
played some tiny, infinitesimal role
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in saving the United States
by electing Ronald Reagan.
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The Reagan voter
is a blue-collar,
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working-class, middle education,
middle-income-level voter.
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Roger identified the
Reagan Democrat.
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He actually wrote
up the strategy
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for reaching out specifically to the
blue-collar and the Catholic vote.
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He tends to be a second, third-generation
Catholic... Italian, Irish, Polish.
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The Reagan Democrat
was a critical part
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of bringing over states that
normally would not vote Republican.
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Let us pledge to each other,
with this great lady looking on,
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that we can, and so help us God,
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we will, make America
great again.
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Thank you very much.
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Roger is unique, in my experience,
because he actually embraces infamy.
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He doesn't worry that you
think he's a sleazeball.
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He wants you to think
he's a sleazeball.
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What a cheap, low-class
way to operate.
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Why do you embrace the
role of dirty trickster?
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Well, I'm stuck with it now.
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It's gonna be in the first paragraph
of my New York Times obit,
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so I might as well
go with the flow.
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The only thing I can think of
worse than being talked about...
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is not being talked about.
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-# Used to be a fan of Bill
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# Blue dresses And
spunk was spilled
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# Cigars and the
broads they filled
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# Should have seen a
pissed-off Hill
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# Why she stayed? What's the deal?
I lost count of the ordeals
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# Y'all don't understand
How criminals build
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# And the products they move And
the people they've killed?
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# Partners of the Bush Crime
Fam Arkansas, Contra-Iran
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# Agency's drug plan expand
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Now, Bill and Hillary Clinton
would steal a hot stove.
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These people are
career criminals,
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and thus far, the mainstream media
has helped conceal their crimes.
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But the truth will be
suppressed no longer.
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Lock her up!
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Stone and
Lock her up!
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Lock her up! Lock her up!
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# Clinton Crime Cartel
They got guns to sell
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# If women getting raped
in the process Oh, well
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The slash-and-burn
politics of today
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are what's required
to get noticed.
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God bless you. I'll be
happy to sign books
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for those patriots who are
smart enough to buy them.
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If you can't communicate
with people,
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you can't get them to adhere to the idea
you are trying to educate them about.
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You have to be
outrageous to get noticed.
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"For Roger, with fond memories and
the highest regard and affection
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for his good work in the 1980 campaign.
From a good friend, Roy Cohn."
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This is a man that
everybody is going to enjoy meeting.
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He's Roy M. Cohn,
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who was confidential assistant to
the United States Attorney General.
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In 1953, Roy Cohn became
chief counsel to Senator Joe McCarthy's
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communist-hunting
investigations committee.
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His reign of televised
intimidation in the 1950s
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has become synonymous with demagoguery,
fearmongering and character assassination.
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Cohn went on to private
practice and made millions.
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He became one of the most politically
connected lawyers in the nation.
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The last two decades
of his career were marred
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by allegations of fraud,
blackmail and perjury.
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When I was assigned New York
for Ronald Reagan in 1979,
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for the 1980 election,
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shortly thereafter I was
invited to a dinner party
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being thrown by a
Washington socialite...
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who, in all honesty, I
was trying to lay...
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and Cohn was present.
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So I made my way up to him.
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I introduced myself. I said, "Mr.
Cohn, I'm... I'm Roger Stone."
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He looked at me and said,
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"Are you the son or the
grandson of the Roger Stone
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who's running the Reagan
campaign here in New York?"
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I said, "No, that's me."
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He turns to his partner Tom Bolan.
He says, "Reagan's in trouble."
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I wrote a lot about Roy Cohn.
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I started hearing about Roger from
people who were close to Roy.
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Roy Cohn is the single most evil
person I have ever covered.
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If that's a magnet for you as a young man,
it says you're soulless before you start.
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Well, my attitude regarding
those who criticize me
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for being friends with Roy Cohn
or Richard Nixon is... fuck 'em.
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Roger's relationship with
Cohn was, in part, mentor.
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Cohn had a slice of history,
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and a circle of friends that would not
have necessarily been part of our orbit.
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It's how we met Trump.
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Donald Trump is probably one of the
most important names in America today.
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He is, as I say, the closest thing to
a genius I've ever met in my life.
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On "Special Segment" tonight,
Mike Jensen profiles a man
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who, at the age of 39,
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is not content with being New York
City's latest real estate billionaire.
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Donald Trump has also ventured into
gambling and professional football
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and says he could negotiate a nuclear
disarmament treaty with the Soviet Union.
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Donald Trump, a
tough man in a tough city.
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Steve, you're gonna have to
start pushing these people now,
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'cause it's getting a little
ridiculous, as far as I'm concerned.
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At the age of 39,
Donald Trump has become
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one of America's best known
and most successful builders.
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And, not surprisingly, he has an
ego almost as big as his empire.
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I had a lawyer, who was a very
good lawyer, tough lawyer,
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named Roy Cohn.
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He introduced me, at one
point, to Roger Stone.
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Roy thought Roger was
a very tough guy.
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Roy knew some very tough
guys, I will tell you that,
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but Roy always felt that
Roger was not only tough,
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but a smart guy and
very political.
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Trump is an expert
at getting what he wants,
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particularly from politicians.
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He's gotten tax abatements
and other concessions.
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Politicians have gotten
campaign contributions.
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Big ones.
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Roger's the first one
who introduced us to Donald,
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and Donald was one of our clients
at Black, Manafort, Stone
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in the early '80s and was a
client of ours for a long time.
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In the early days of
the Reagan administration,
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Roger was so prominent
and so successful,
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he could have become a sort
of great man of the party.
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He was a real insider.
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He was a political
consultant, a lobbyist,
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someone who was right
in the thick of things.
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Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and I
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had worked together through
the Reagan campaign.
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When the Reagan campaign
got short of cash,
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and decided to start a
political consulting firm.
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Paul Manafort came
in one day and said,
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"You know, we ought to
start a lobbying firm,
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because I'm getting a lot of calls from
people who know we all work for Reagan
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and know the people who are gonna
be in the Reagan administration,
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and they want lobbying."
472
00:25:54,636 --> 00:25:55,636
So we did.
473
00:25:57,055 --> 00:25:59,725
Good to see you.
- This is Paul Manafort.
474
00:25:59,808 --> 00:26:01,138
What
we were doing was
475
00:26:01,227 --> 00:26:04,267
trying to use our relationships
that we had built up,
476
00:26:04,355 --> 00:26:07,645
first through the Young Republicans
and then through NCPAC,
477
00:26:07,733 --> 00:26:10,903
and to create a business that would
focus on political consulting.
478
00:26:10,986 --> 00:26:14,486
Lobbying had been
considered kind of a sleazy business,
479
00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:18,453
but Roger Stone unabashedly
came out and said,
480
00:26:18,535 --> 00:26:22,615
"I'm gonna make a pile of money
off this and no apologies."
481
00:26:23,707 --> 00:26:26,417
Black, Manafort &
Stone was the shit.
482
00:26:26,502 --> 00:26:30,552
It was the biggest, most powerful
lobbying operation in Washington.
483
00:26:31,215 --> 00:26:33,965
We did things that nobody
else had ever done.
484
00:26:34,051 --> 00:26:35,931
# That's the way you do it
485
00:26:36,011 --> 00:26:39,061
# Money for nothin' And
your chicks for free
486
00:26:39,139 --> 00:26:40,929
# Money for nothin'
487
00:26:42,893 --> 00:26:44,603
# And your chicks for free
488
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,270
# Money for nothin'
489
00:26:49,983 --> 00:26:51,783
# And your chicks for free
490
00:26:52,277 --> 00:26:53,697
# Look at that Look at that
491
00:26:53,779 --> 00:26:55,779
# Money for nothin'
492
00:26:57,407 --> 00:26:58,947
# And your chicks for free
493
00:27:00,702 --> 00:27:02,872
There were a
lot of gray people
494
00:27:02,954 --> 00:27:06,044
in gray suits and tan
raincoats in Washington.
495
00:27:06,124 --> 00:27:08,714
They were all sort
of interchangeable.
496
00:27:08,794 --> 00:27:10,844
And then you had Roger Stone.
497
00:27:10,921 --> 00:27:16,091
And when he went to fancy parties, he
wore black patent leather slippers.
498
00:27:16,177 --> 00:27:18,297
He was a whole new
level of, sort of,
499
00:27:18,387 --> 00:27:21,137
splash and show business
and money and glitz.
500
00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:23,849
# Money for nothin'
501
00:27:23,934 --> 00:27:25,604
Joining us now, Roger Stone,
502
00:27:25,686 --> 00:27:29,146
who belongs to one of Washington's
most successful consulting firms.
503
00:27:29,231 --> 00:27:32,231
The argument, I gather, seems to
be that you helped elect 'em,
504
00:27:32,318 --> 00:27:34,318
and now you're helping
to tell them what to do,
505
00:27:34,403 --> 00:27:36,953
and this really isn't what the
Founding Fathers had in mind.
506
00:27:37,030 --> 00:27:41,580
First of all, the term "influence
shops" is really not accurate at all.
507
00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:43,540
I think that what we
provide for our clients,
508
00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:47,210
be them foreign countries or
corporations or individuals,
509
00:27:47,291 --> 00:27:50,381
is a superior understanding
of how Washington works.
510
00:27:50,461 --> 00:27:52,591
Before Black,
Manafort & Stone,
511
00:27:52,671 --> 00:27:57,631
it was considered somewhat
distasteful for campaign types
512
00:27:57,718 --> 00:28:00,008
to immediately go into lobbying,
513
00:28:00,095 --> 00:28:02,675
trying to influence the
people they just elected.
514
00:28:03,307 --> 00:28:06,977
What Black, Manafort & Stone
said was, "We're unapologetic.
515
00:28:07,561 --> 00:28:10,561
We got this guy elected, and
now we're going to make money
516
00:28:10,647 --> 00:28:13,317
by charging for access
to his administration."
517
00:28:13,817 --> 00:28:19,567
There's been a massive expansion of
the lobbying sector in Washington.
518
00:28:19,656 --> 00:28:22,276
Some of them are so
powerful and successful
519
00:28:22,368 --> 00:28:23,368
that we don't question it.
520
00:28:23,452 --> 00:28:25,542
We just assume it's a fact
of American political life.
521
00:28:26,830 --> 00:28:29,670
Black, Manafort &
Stone, in their brazenness,
522
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:34,000
really created the modern
sleazeball lobbyist.
523
00:28:34,087 --> 00:28:35,297
They elected people.
524
00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:38,090
As soon as those people were
in office, they lobbied them.
525
00:28:38,174 --> 00:28:41,474
And so they crossed a line
that hadn't been crossed.
526
00:28:41,553 --> 00:28:43,813
Washington's been worse
for it ever since.
527
00:28:43,889 --> 00:28:46,979
Paul Manafort of
Black, Manafort, Stone & Kelly
528
00:28:47,058 --> 00:28:49,308
stands with his partners
at the receiving end
529
00:28:49,395 --> 00:28:51,855
of $31 million in subsidies.
530
00:28:51,938 --> 00:28:53,608
I will stipulate for
the purpose of today
531
00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:55,690
that you could characterize
this as influence peddling.
532
00:28:55,776 --> 00:28:56,936
Thank you.
533
00:28:57,027 --> 00:28:59,277
I will bring new
people to Washington.
534
00:28:59,363 --> 00:29:02,573
People that come there to
serve and not to profit.
535
00:29:02,658 --> 00:29:06,948
We will have the highest
possible ethical standards.
536
00:29:07,037 --> 00:29:08,577
We're gonna bring in the best.
537
00:29:08,664 --> 00:29:09,674
The best?
538
00:29:09,748 --> 00:29:12,168
Charles Black is a
senior advisor to Bush.
539
00:29:12,251 --> 00:29:14,091
So are Paul Manafort
and Roger Stone.
540
00:29:14,711 --> 00:29:17,381
And Lee Atwater is George
Bush's campaign manager.
541
00:29:17,464 --> 00:29:21,344
All these men are partners
in a firm that, in 1985,
542
00:29:21,427 --> 00:29:25,347
received $3.4 million in
foreign lobbying fees.
543
00:29:25,431 --> 00:29:29,101
Black, Manafort & Stone saw
a business opportunity
544
00:29:29,184 --> 00:29:31,694
in being the torturers' lobby.
545
00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:35,860
In representing the most
distasteful dictators,
546
00:29:35,941 --> 00:29:39,991
Mobutu, Marcos, UNITA in Angola.
547
00:29:40,654 --> 00:29:46,744
They did not care about being
acceptable in the salons of Georgetown.
548
00:29:46,827 --> 00:29:49,367
They cared about making money.
549
00:29:49,455 --> 00:29:52,325
You know, one man's freedom fighter
is another man's terrorist.
550
00:29:52,416 --> 00:29:55,916
There are reports of gross
human rights abuses in rebel-held areas,
551
00:29:56,002 --> 00:29:59,592
including the burning alive of
Savimbi's political opponents.
552
00:29:59,673 --> 00:30:01,263
The Cold War was going on.
553
00:30:01,925 --> 00:30:04,215
You know, I'll take criticism
if they give it to Reagan
554
00:30:04,303 --> 00:30:06,893
and the majority of Congress
who put the funding in.
555
00:30:06,972 --> 00:30:10,682
Tens of thousands of men have
been killed or wounded in the fighting.
556
00:30:10,767 --> 00:30:14,607
The US missiles will escalate the
war even to a more deadly level.
557
00:30:14,688 --> 00:30:17,268
When people think of
Washington corruption,
558
00:30:17,358 --> 00:30:21,108
they think of organizations
like Black, Manafort & Stone,
559
00:30:21,194 --> 00:30:24,164
that shook down dictators,
took all their money,
560
00:30:24,239 --> 00:30:27,449
and then tried to take
America's government
561
00:30:27,534 --> 00:30:29,954
and make them serve the
dictators' interest.
562
00:30:30,036 --> 00:30:32,746
You know, it is the swamp.
563
00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:35,331
I'm proud of the job I did
at Black, Manafort & Stone,
564
00:30:35,417 --> 00:30:37,167
because I made a lot of money,
565
00:30:37,252 --> 00:30:41,422
and I can't think of anything I did
that was either illegal or immoral.
566
00:30:41,507 --> 00:30:44,257
You play by the rules
as they're written.
567
00:30:44,343 --> 00:30:47,683
When they change the rules, you
change the way you play the game.
568
00:30:49,348 --> 00:30:54,098
When you talk to Roger
about his business and morality,
569
00:30:54,185 --> 00:30:57,055
he sees morality as a
synonym for weakness.
570
00:30:57,147 --> 00:31:01,317
That's something that he's always
going to have contempt for.
571
00:31:05,864 --> 00:31:10,044
Those who say I have no soul,
those who say I have no principles,
572
00:31:10,118 --> 00:31:12,118
are losers. Those
are bitter losers.
573
00:31:12,203 --> 00:31:15,293
Everything I have done,
everything I have worked for,
574
00:31:15,374 --> 00:31:19,424
is to propel ideas and
a political philosophy
575
00:31:19,503 --> 00:31:21,513
that I want to see
dominant in government.
576
00:31:22,088 --> 00:31:26,178
Donald Trump has now elevated
the issues that I believe in.
577
00:31:26,259 --> 00:31:30,469
Anti-elitism, that was first
identified by Richard Nixon...
578
00:31:30,556 --> 00:31:34,096
To you, the great
silent majority...
579
00:31:34,184 --> 00:31:35,854
...mined by
Ronald Reagan...
580
00:31:35,936 --> 00:31:39,356
Government is not the
solution to our problem,
581
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,440
government is the problem.
582
00:31:41,525 --> 00:31:42,935
...and now Donald Trump.
583
00:31:43,026 --> 00:31:47,986
The silent majority is back, and
we're gonna take the country back.
584
00:31:49,866 --> 00:31:55,456
The image they have of politics
is a dirty image of politics.
585
00:31:55,539 --> 00:31:58,669
It's that, um,
everybody's for sale.
586
00:31:58,750 --> 00:32:00,590
When Trump talks
about, you know,
587
00:32:00,669 --> 00:32:04,089
"I gave my money 'cause I thought
I might need a favor later."
588
00:32:04,172 --> 00:32:05,802
Everyone's for sale.
589
00:32:05,882 --> 00:32:08,802
Nobody's there to serve
the public good.
590
00:32:08,885 --> 00:32:13,095
It's an anti-government view and
an anti-political view and, um...
591
00:32:13,181 --> 00:32:15,851
very lacking in
idealism, very cynical.
592
00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:17,564
There's no nobility in it.
593
00:32:17,644 --> 00:32:18,654
The money in politics?
594
00:32:18,728 --> 00:32:21,768
Well, I think there should be,
frankly, more transparency.
595
00:32:22,315 --> 00:32:25,395
Because I see a guy like Jeb
Bush with $114 million,
596
00:32:25,486 --> 00:32:26,606
which is now higher,
597
00:32:26,695 --> 00:32:28,655
and nobody even knows
who put the money in.
598
00:32:28,739 --> 00:32:31,659
And they all control him
like a little puppet, okay?
599
00:32:31,742 --> 00:32:32,782
I know half of the people.
600
00:32:32,868 --> 00:32:34,868
I don't know who they are
because I can't find it out.
601
00:32:34,953 --> 00:32:37,543
But as soon as I do, I
will know most of 'em.
602
00:32:37,623 --> 00:32:39,833
They're friends of mine.
I used to be there.
603
00:32:39,916 --> 00:32:41,786
I used to be the
king at that, okay?
604
00:32:48,133 --> 00:32:52,893
In 1981, Roger runs Tom Kean's
campaign for governor in New Jersey.
605
00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:55,141
Donald is just
really getting into
606
00:32:55,223 --> 00:32:57,933
the throes of casino
life in Atlantic City,
607
00:32:58,018 --> 00:33:00,938
so they came together
on a common agenda.
608
00:33:01,021 --> 00:33:03,151
Trump gave him
a lot of casino business.
609
00:33:03,231 --> 00:33:06,441
Roger and Trump, peas
in a pod, you know?
610
00:33:06,527 --> 00:33:10,777
Trump is someone, through the '80s, who
took enormous risks and succeeded.
611
00:33:10,864 --> 00:33:15,294
Roger represented Donald Trump
from Donald Trump's earliest days.
612
00:33:15,869 --> 00:33:20,249
Then the Ethics Commission made a
finding against Donald Trump and him
613
00:33:20,331 --> 00:33:23,251
for all of the illegal
things that they did.
614
00:33:24,586 --> 00:33:28,546
When Roger wants something,
he pursues it with vigor.
615
00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:31,010
Now politics, sort of.
616
00:33:31,092 --> 00:33:34,102
New York developer Donald Trump
caused a stir this morning
617
00:33:34,179 --> 00:33:36,719
when he took out an ad
in some major newspapers
618
00:33:36,807 --> 00:33:40,097
charging American foreign
policy lacks backbone.
619
00:33:40,185 --> 00:33:43,185
Immediately the question came up,
is he running for something?
620
00:33:43,271 --> 00:33:48,071
In 1987, I suggested that Trump should
explore a bid for the presidency.
621
00:33:48,151 --> 00:33:51,031
This sounds like political
presidential talk to me,
622
00:33:51,112 --> 00:33:54,582
and I know that people have talked to you
about if you wanna run. Would you ever?
623
00:33:54,658 --> 00:33:58,118
Probably not, but I do get tired of
seeing what's happening with this country.
624
00:33:58,203 --> 00:34:00,913
And if it got so bad, I would
never wanna rule it out totally,
625
00:34:00,997 --> 00:34:04,247
because I really am tired of seeing
what's happening with this country.
626
00:34:04,334 --> 00:34:06,044
I was like a jockey
looking for a horse.
627
00:34:06,127 --> 00:34:08,417
You can't win the race if
you don't have a horse,
628
00:34:08,504 --> 00:34:11,264
and he is a prime piece of
political horseflesh in my view.
629
00:34:15,178 --> 00:34:18,558
I interceded with the Portsmouth,
New Hampshire Chamber of Commerce
630
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,230
to arrange a lunch.
631
00:34:20,516 --> 00:34:24,146
The helicopter landing was
as big a news as his speech.
632
00:34:24,771 --> 00:34:27,771
This is kind of the first time
I saw the power of Trump.
633
00:34:28,358 --> 00:34:31,988
The public interest in
Trump was palpable.
634
00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:33,070
It was, like, electric.
635
00:34:33,154 --> 00:34:35,704
And he lit the place on fire.
636
00:34:35,782 --> 00:34:38,622
I'm not here today because I'm
running for the presidency.
637
00:34:38,702 --> 00:34:41,292
I'm here because I'm
personally tired
638
00:34:41,371 --> 00:34:44,211
of seeing this great country
of ours being ripped off.
639
00:34:44,290 --> 00:34:46,960
Roger always wanted me
to run for president.
640
00:34:47,043 --> 00:34:50,423
And in 1988, he wanted me to
run, but I had no interest.
641
00:34:50,505 --> 00:34:52,005
I did a book called
The Art of the Deal,
642
00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:54,470
which was the number one
best-seller of the year.
643
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:55,550
It was a tremendous book.
644
00:34:55,636 --> 00:34:59,346
Roger wanted me to run so badly,
and I just didn't want to do it.
645
00:34:59,430 --> 00:35:02,520
What I want is, I want
extreme competence.
646
00:35:02,601 --> 00:35:05,481
I want strength and
extreme competence.
647
00:35:05,561 --> 00:35:08,441
In 1988, when I was
at the New Orleans convention,
648
00:35:08,523 --> 00:35:10,943
Roger Stone had me setting up
chairs in a reception room
649
00:35:11,026 --> 00:35:14,946
for an executive out of New York who
I didn't really know, Donald Trump.
650
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:17,490
Even though his candidate
for president, Jack Kemp,
651
00:35:17,573 --> 00:35:19,993
had the possibility of being
selected as vice president,
652
00:35:20,076 --> 00:35:22,786
he was squiring Donald Trump
around the convention.
653
00:35:22,871 --> 00:35:26,041
You have said that if you ran
for president, you'd win.
654
00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:27,294
I'd have a very good chance.
655
00:35:27,375 --> 00:35:29,455
I like to win. When I do
something, I like to win.
656
00:35:29,544 --> 00:35:33,054
I like to do well, and I think I probably
would have a pretty good chance.
657
00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:36,511
Roger saw the value of
the outsider image.
658
00:35:36,592 --> 00:35:38,642
He saw the value of somebody
659
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:41,640
who brought business experience
to the political process.
660
00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:45,190
He saw something that nobody
else saw back in the early '80s.
661
00:35:45,268 --> 00:35:47,478
Once he'd had conversations
with Trump about that,
662
00:35:47,562 --> 00:35:50,022
Trump started to take seriously
that maybe he should run.
663
00:35:50,106 --> 00:35:51,816
So long.
Thanks a lot, folks.
664
00:36:11,294 --> 00:36:13,004
Florida is a great
place to live.
665
00:36:13,088 --> 00:36:15,338
It's a sunny place
for shady people.
666
00:36:15,423 --> 00:36:18,183
Welcome to Casa del Stone.
667
00:36:18,259 --> 00:36:23,259
This is, uh, where I live with my
wife, three cats and three dogs.
668
00:36:23,348 --> 00:36:25,228
And my 91-year-old mother.
669
00:36:25,308 --> 00:36:26,938
Tough as nails.
670
00:36:27,018 --> 00:36:31,228
If you ever saw The Sopranos and
you're familiar with Tony's mother,
671
00:36:31,314 --> 00:36:32,734
that's my mother.
672
00:36:32,816 --> 00:36:35,396
These guys are liberal filmmakers.
They cannot be trusted.
673
00:36:35,485 --> 00:36:36,485
Hi.
674
00:36:36,569 --> 00:36:37,569
Come here, Sambo.
675
00:36:37,653 --> 00:36:40,283
Sammy is, uh... He's not well.
676
00:36:40,991 --> 00:36:42,081
He's been losing weight.
677
00:36:42,158 --> 00:36:44,618
And we've been taking him
back and forth to the vet.
678
00:36:44,703 --> 00:36:46,503
Come here, baby. Give me a kiss.
679
00:36:46,579 --> 00:36:48,289
Give me a kiss. No kiss?
No kiss?
680
00:36:48,373 --> 00:36:49,583
Okay.
681
00:36:49,665 --> 00:36:50,665
This is my wife.
682
00:36:50,751 --> 00:36:52,711
We met working on the
Reagan campaign,
683
00:36:52,794 --> 00:36:56,764
where she was employed as a
photographer for the campaign
684
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,340
and I was working for Reagan as
a regional political director.
685
00:37:00,426 --> 00:37:03,256
This is the designated
smoking area.
686
00:37:03,346 --> 00:37:05,636
Kind of a contemplative garden.
687
00:37:06,641 --> 00:37:08,431
What do you
contemplate out here?
688
00:37:08,518 --> 00:37:11,308
Political strategy and
destroying my enemies.
689
00:37:12,063 --> 00:37:15,653
And now may I introduce Mr.
Roger Stone to all of you.
690
00:37:21,156 --> 00:37:26,236
Bill Clinton is a Bill
Cosby-style sexual predator,
691
00:37:26,327 --> 00:37:32,497
who has preyed on probably hundreds,
but at least 27, individual women.
692
00:37:32,583 --> 00:37:36,003
If Bill Cosby is going to be held
responsible for his actions,
693
00:37:36,087 --> 00:37:39,377
then Bill Clinton should be held
responsible for his actions.
694
00:37:41,217 --> 00:37:45,307
Bill and Hillary Clinton are the
penicillin-resistant syphilis
695
00:37:45,388 --> 00:37:47,428
of the American body politic.
696
00:37:48,516 --> 00:37:51,186
...everything you're doing.
- Thank you very much. You, too.
697
00:37:51,269 --> 00:37:52,309
Hey, sir.
- How ya doing?
698
00:37:52,395 --> 00:37:53,395
Pleasure.
- Good to see you.
699
00:37:53,479 --> 00:37:55,479
This is my daughter
and my granddaughter.
700
00:37:57,317 --> 00:37:59,687
Hello. How are you?
701
00:37:59,778 --> 00:38:01,028
I'm excellent.
702
00:38:01,112 --> 00:38:02,992
Thanks for coming.
- Of course. Of course.
703
00:38:03,073 --> 00:38:04,493
I was going to point out that...
704
00:38:04,574 --> 00:38:06,534
There's a side of
him that they don't see.
705
00:38:06,617 --> 00:38:09,367
The side we get to see. The
family side, the loving side.
706
00:38:10,705 --> 00:38:14,625
That persona of the dirty trickster
is not what we see at home.
707
00:38:14,709 --> 00:38:17,049
We do see the trickster.
Yeah.
708
00:38:17,128 --> 00:38:19,758
Hold up your lens up
here just a little higher.
709
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:21,799
Little higher. Little higher.
Little higher.
710
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:23,760
Yeah, that's it. Okay!
711
00:38:25,678 --> 00:38:28,678
I was actually terrified
of him the first time I met him.
712
00:38:28,764 --> 00:38:31,354
I walked in his office,
and I told him later
713
00:38:31,434 --> 00:38:33,444
that he looked like a
Nazi Hitler Youth.
714
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:36,109
Nydia taught me how to
smile and how to laugh.
715
00:38:36,189 --> 00:38:40,279
Uh, and she's made me a better person.
And I'm not complete without her.
716
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,110
You're a Buddhist. Do you
think that you centered Roger?
717
00:38:43,196 --> 00:38:45,026
Yes. - She
certainly has tried.
718
00:38:45,531 --> 00:38:49,201
And I think, in some cases, she
has been effective in doing so.
719
00:38:49,285 --> 00:38:51,615
Centered and censored.
720
00:38:51,704 --> 00:38:53,124
And sometimes I need both.
721
00:38:54,499 --> 00:38:56,669
And with Nydia, I
got instant family.
722
00:38:56,751 --> 00:38:58,921
I got children. I
got grandchildren.
723
00:38:59,004 --> 00:39:00,384
I got a mother-in-law.
724
00:39:00,463 --> 00:39:02,593
All things that I didn't
have with my first wife.
725
00:39:02,673 --> 00:39:05,093
So I became a family
man overnight.
726
00:39:08,138 --> 00:39:10,268
He is a political strategist,
727
00:39:10,348 --> 00:39:14,348
and he was just named the senior advisor
to the Dole presidential campaign.
728
00:39:14,435 --> 00:39:16,095
That should be an interesting
job in the next few months.
729
00:39:16,187 --> 00:39:18,517
Roger Stone!
730
00:39:18,606 --> 00:39:19,606
Roger...
731
00:39:20,691 --> 00:39:22,941
I think we've got this
figured out. We've got the slogan.
732
00:39:23,028 --> 00:39:24,398
"Bob Dole and Jack Kemp.
733
00:39:24,487 --> 00:39:27,367
Together they offer the people
133 years of experience."
734
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:32,039
We want Bob!
We want Bob!
735
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,330
Thank you.
736
00:39:33,413 --> 00:39:38,003
I can't imagine Roger being less excited
to work with a presidential candidate
737
00:39:38,084 --> 00:39:39,464
than he was with Bob Dole.
738
00:39:39,544 --> 00:39:43,424
There are endless reasons to end the
failed presidency of Bill Clinton.
739
00:39:43,506 --> 00:39:48,046
But renewing the strength of America by
restoring our social and moral order
740
00:39:48,136 --> 00:39:51,006
has got to be somewhere
near the top of that list.
741
00:39:51,097 --> 00:39:54,637
The Dole-Kemp ticket was still
counting on the evangelical vote
742
00:39:54,725 --> 00:39:55,725
to defeat the Clintons.
743
00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:57,900
In fact, if you look at
the numbers back then,
744
00:39:57,979 --> 00:40:00,649
there was no way they could win
unless they had that vote.
745
00:40:00,731 --> 00:40:02,111
There's no doubt about it
746
00:40:02,192 --> 00:40:05,282
that many American people have
lost their faith in government.
747
00:40:06,404 --> 00:40:09,494
They see scandals almost
on a daily basis.
748
00:40:09,574 --> 00:40:12,744
They see ethical problems
in the White House today.
749
00:40:13,244 --> 00:40:14,874
Do you think that's
a legitimate issue?
750
00:40:14,954 --> 00:40:17,584
I do. I think the character of the
president of the United States--
751
00:40:17,665 --> 00:40:19,875
Do you think this
issue of marital fidelity,
752
00:40:19,959 --> 00:40:22,299
which you keep blaming on the
media, is a legitimate issue?
753
00:40:22,378 --> 00:40:25,008
This is something the voters are
gonna wanna know about, yeah.
754
00:40:25,089 --> 00:40:26,379
Roger
could have become
755
00:40:26,466 --> 00:40:29,256
much more successful in
conventional terms than he did.
756
00:40:29,344 --> 00:40:32,314
And the reason he didn't is
because he self-sabotaged.
757
00:40:32,388 --> 00:40:33,848
There was once a time
758
00:40:33,932 --> 00:40:37,022
when political consultants
were unknown and unseen.
759
00:40:37,102 --> 00:40:38,102
No more.
760
00:40:40,355 --> 00:40:44,225
Some of the tabloids say a
Republican strategist, Roger Stone,
761
00:40:44,317 --> 00:40:46,737
a partner in the prestigious
Washington lobbying firm
762
00:40:46,819 --> 00:40:48,449
of Davis, Manafort & Stone,
763
00:40:48,529 --> 00:40:51,069
has been advertising for
sex in swinger magazines
764
00:40:51,157 --> 00:40:52,777
along with his wife, Nydia.
765
00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:56,160
He joins us from Washington.
766
00:40:56,246 --> 00:40:58,206
-Good to have you with us.
- Surely.
767
00:40:58,289 --> 00:40:59,289
Do I quote
you correctly,
768
00:40:59,374 --> 00:41:01,674
that these ads were planted by
someone else out to get you?
769
00:41:01,751 --> 00:41:03,341
Yes, indeed, um...
770
00:41:03,419 --> 00:41:05,589
An exhaustive investigation
now indicates
771
00:41:05,672 --> 00:41:09,722
that a domestic employee who I
discharged for substance abuse...
772
00:41:09,801 --> 00:41:13,551
on the second time that we learned
that he had a drug problem,
773
00:41:13,638 --> 00:41:15,268
is the perpetrator.
774
00:41:15,931 --> 00:41:19,391
I'm deeply troubled by this
notion of paid sources
775
00:41:19,477 --> 00:41:22,607
who can say anything
anonymously about you.
776
00:41:22,688 --> 00:41:25,608
Provide no photographs,
no proof, no documents.
777
00:41:25,691 --> 00:41:26,781
You know, it's very hard.
778
00:41:26,859 --> 00:41:30,239
My granddaughter, who's seven years
old, said to my wife on Sunday,
779
00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:32,531
"Why are they doing
this to you, Grandma?"
780
00:41:32,615 --> 00:41:34,365
It's a very hard
question to answer.
781
00:41:34,450 --> 00:41:36,580
All right,
appreciate you joining us.
782
00:41:36,661 --> 00:41:38,451
Thanks for being here.
- Glad to be here.
783
00:41:38,538 --> 00:41:42,248
Roger Stone's first
impulse was to deny.
784
00:41:42,333 --> 00:41:44,343
In fact, if you look
at Stone's Rules,
785
00:41:44,419 --> 00:41:47,339
one of the rules is
"deny, deny, deny, deny."
786
00:41:47,422 --> 00:41:49,342
And he began by following
his own rules.
787
00:41:49,424 --> 00:41:52,594
'Cause it wasn't until much later that
he admitted that everything was true.
788
00:41:52,677 --> 00:41:55,007
The National Enquirer scandal,
789
00:41:55,096 --> 00:41:58,266
which I'm not interested in
rehashing at great length,
790
00:41:58,433 --> 00:42:01,893
uh, probably required that I
be even more of an outlaw.
791
00:42:01,977 --> 00:42:04,477
I never ran for public office.
792
00:42:04,564 --> 00:42:09,114
So how I conduct myself in my
private life is nobody's business.
793
00:42:09,194 --> 00:42:11,404
Did you hear about this?
This guy, Roger Stone,
794
00:42:11,487 --> 00:42:14,237
top Republican advisor
for Bob Dole,
795
00:42:14,324 --> 00:42:17,834
has now been accused of going
to sex clubs with his wife.
796
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:19,410
It's unbelievable, isn't it?
797
00:42:19,495 --> 00:42:23,995
On the other hand, this gives you an idea
how conservative the Dole campaign is.
798
00:42:24,667 --> 00:42:27,247
This guy is in trouble for
having sex with his wife!
799
00:42:27,337 --> 00:42:29,917
That's how conservative
those people are. Having...
800
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,930
I think something snapped in
him when the swinger scandal happened,
801
00:42:36,011 --> 00:42:37,641
and he got chased
out of Washington.
802
00:42:37,722 --> 00:42:41,772
And he just said, "Eff this. What
do I need this for anymore?"
803
00:42:41,851 --> 00:42:43,481
What the '96 scandal meant
804
00:42:43,561 --> 00:42:46,731
is that Roger was never gonna be
the out-front political genius.
805
00:42:46,814 --> 00:42:49,654
The Karl Rove, the
David Axelrod.
806
00:42:49,734 --> 00:42:52,614
He was always gonna have
to operate in the shadows.
807
00:42:52,695 --> 00:42:55,525
If it weren't for 1996 and
all the trouble he had,
808
00:42:55,615 --> 00:42:59,025
maybe Roger wouldn't have
embraced the kind of, you know,
809
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:01,999
darker side of his
capacity, of his talents.
810
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,500
If there hadn't been a
sex scandal in 1996,
811
00:43:04,582 --> 00:43:06,462
we might have had a
President Al Gore.
812
00:43:12,757 --> 00:43:15,507
They always return to
the scene of the crime.
813
00:43:17,845 --> 00:43:19,505
We want Bush!
814
00:43:19,597 --> 00:43:22,477
We want Bush! We want Bush!
815
00:43:22,558 --> 00:43:24,978
We want Gore! We want Gore!
816
00:43:25,060 --> 00:43:29,520
This is where the recount of the 2000
presidential contest took place.
817
00:43:29,607 --> 00:43:31,357
This is where the recount ended.
818
00:43:31,442 --> 00:43:35,782
This is where George W. Bush became
president of the United States.
819
00:43:35,863 --> 00:43:37,873
Good grief.
Look at that. Eleven.
820
00:43:37,948 --> 00:43:39,948
Eleven. That
means automatic recount.
821
00:43:40,034 --> 00:43:41,834
There is one state
left to be decided,
822
00:43:41,911 --> 00:43:44,461
and we believe when
those votes are counted
823
00:43:44,539 --> 00:43:47,379
and that process is
complete, totally complete,
824
00:43:47,458 --> 00:43:50,298
Al Gore will have won the Electoral
College and the popular vote
825
00:43:50,378 --> 00:43:52,668
and, therefore, is... will
be the next president.
826
00:43:52,755 --> 00:43:56,425
The hand recount in Florida
will continue, and the votes will count.
827
00:43:56,509 --> 00:43:59,849
That, according to a unanimous ruling
from Florida Supreme Court last night.
828
00:43:59,929 --> 00:44:02,059
Vice President Al Gore praised
the decision, saying,
829
00:44:02,140 --> 00:44:05,100
"It allows for a full and accurate
counting of the ballots."
830
00:44:05,185 --> 00:44:07,935
This is a street fight for the
presidency of the United States.
831
00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:11,980
I want our protestors down there in
Palm Beach, Tallahassee, and Miami.
832
00:44:12,066 --> 00:44:13,066
Call Roger Stone.
833
00:44:13,151 --> 00:44:16,111
In 2000, my old
friend Jim Baker called me
834
00:44:16,196 --> 00:44:20,486
and asked me to go to Miami-Dade
to work on the recount.
835
00:44:20,575 --> 00:44:24,115
I thought it was vitally important
that we matched the Democrats
836
00:44:24,204 --> 00:44:28,834
in terms of protesters who wanted an
end to the 2000 presidential election.
837
00:44:28,916 --> 00:44:31,586
This country was born
on civil disobedience
838
00:44:31,669 --> 00:44:34,879
and the will of the people
standing up against the powerful!
839
00:44:34,964 --> 00:44:37,344
There's nothing wrong with
Clinton getting his dick sucked
840
00:44:37,425 --> 00:44:39,255
in the middle of the
Oval Office, is there?
841
00:44:39,344 --> 00:44:40,934
This is where the
trailer was set up
842
00:44:41,011 --> 00:44:44,311
to communicate with our
operatives inside the building.
843
00:44:45,015 --> 00:44:46,385
He's got a ballot!
844
00:44:47,101 --> 00:44:48,061
He stole a ballot!
845
00:44:48,686 --> 00:44:50,806
When some of
my operatives reported
846
00:44:50,896 --> 00:44:52,226
that two democratic
commissioners
847
00:44:52,315 --> 00:44:54,855
were attempting to take
a sheaf of ballots,
848
00:44:54,942 --> 00:44:56,782
remove them from
the counting room,
849
00:44:56,861 --> 00:45:00,701
which was being viewed by reporters
and lawyers for both sides,
850
00:45:00,781 --> 00:45:04,291
and take them to a small
anteroom without windows,
851
00:45:04,369 --> 00:45:08,209
this is what sparked the
so-called Brooks Brothers Riot.
852
00:45:09,832 --> 00:45:13,592
I said, "Flood the hall and
don't let them shut that door."
853
00:45:13,669 --> 00:45:16,009
Let us in!
Let us in!
854
00:45:16,088 --> 00:45:17,668
They started
banging on the doors
855
00:45:17,757 --> 00:45:22,717
and were intimidating the people who
were counting the ballots to stop.
856
00:45:22,803 --> 00:45:24,763
And they did stop.
857
00:45:24,847 --> 00:45:28,137
So Al Gore could not
gain any votes.
858
00:45:29,352 --> 00:45:35,362
That was critical in making sure
that the results in Florida,
859
00:45:35,441 --> 00:45:38,531
certifying George Bush
as the winner, stood.
860
00:45:38,611 --> 00:45:40,531
Let us in!
Let us in!
861
00:45:40,613 --> 00:45:46,623
Most people, they want to underplay
anything they did wrong or improper.
862
00:45:46,702 --> 00:45:49,002
And with Roger, what you
have to worry about
863
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:54,289
is that he's lying to make himself
worse than he actually was.
864
00:45:54,377 --> 00:45:57,837
The history of the 2000 recount was
essentially written by Roger Stone,
865
00:45:57,922 --> 00:46:01,342
and he wrote himself in,
in a pretty big role.
866
00:46:01,426 --> 00:46:04,086
He was sitting next to Washington
as they crossed the Delaware.
867
00:46:04,178 --> 00:46:06,638
He was with Eisenhower on D-Day.
868
00:46:06,722 --> 00:46:10,062
He was cradling Bobby Kennedy in the
kitchen of the Ambassador Hotel.
869
00:46:10,142 --> 00:46:13,772
I mean, he really
sort of put himself there.
870
00:46:13,854 --> 00:46:15,154
I mean, Roger was there.
871
00:46:15,815 --> 00:46:17,225
But let me ask you,
872
00:46:17,317 --> 00:46:21,027
is it more brilliant and impressive
to influence world events
873
00:46:21,111 --> 00:46:24,161
or to stand on the
periphery of world events
874
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,489
and yet get recorded as having
influenced world events?
875
00:46:27,576 --> 00:46:28,536
Maybe the latter.
876
00:46:29,036 --> 00:46:31,616
Yeah, I think he played a role
in the Brooks Brothers Riot.
877
00:46:31,706 --> 00:46:33,326
I don't dispute that.
878
00:46:33,416 --> 00:46:35,286
But I'm the only one to approach
879
00:46:35,376 --> 00:46:39,756
what I think is the best story
I've ever done on Roger.
880
00:46:40,548 --> 00:46:44,218
I don't believe George W. Bush would have
ever been president of the United States
881
00:46:44,302 --> 00:46:46,142
if it wasn't for Roger Stone.
882
00:46:48,473 --> 00:46:50,563
We're back now at
9:40 Eastern Time.
883
00:46:50,641 --> 00:46:53,141
Ross Perot proves to be a
major factor here tonight.
884
00:46:53,227 --> 00:46:54,847
The Bush campaign
headquarters in Houston,
885
00:46:54,937 --> 00:46:58,357
they believe that Ross Perot may
have cost them the presidency.
886
00:46:58,441 --> 00:46:59,531
Thank you.
887
00:46:59,609 --> 00:47:05,569
When George H. W. Bush loses
in 1992, we all know the reason he lost.
888
00:47:05,656 --> 00:47:08,076
It was the Reform
Party and Ross Perot.
889
00:47:08,158 --> 00:47:12,158
The Reform Party was drawing
a disproportionate number of votes
890
00:47:12,246 --> 00:47:13,616
from the Republicans.
891
00:47:13,706 --> 00:47:17,326
Bill Clinton, the great politician,
he never got 50% in any election.
892
00:47:17,418 --> 00:47:19,998
No Ross Perot, no Bill Clinton.
893
00:47:20,087 --> 00:47:23,217
So when the
son is running in 2000,
894
00:47:23,298 --> 00:47:26,088
and the Reform Party
is still on the ballot
895
00:47:26,176 --> 00:47:28,546
in every state in
the United States,
896
00:47:28,638 --> 00:47:30,678
then they're very concerned
897
00:47:30,765 --> 00:47:35,435
about who is going to wind up the
Reform Party candidate for president.
898
00:47:36,937 --> 00:47:40,567
Today, I am ending my lifelong
membership in the Republican Party
899
00:47:40,650 --> 00:47:45,150
and I'm declaring my intention to seek
the nomination of the Reform Party
900
00:47:45,237 --> 00:47:47,987
for the presidency of the
United States of America.
901
00:47:49,534 --> 00:47:52,244
Roger Stone comes
up with the brilliant idea
902
00:47:52,327 --> 00:47:55,247
of getting Pat Buchanan out
of the Republican line
903
00:47:55,330 --> 00:47:57,630
and to get him to run
for the Reform Party.
904
00:47:58,209 --> 00:48:00,749
Yes, I... I
encourage him to run,
905
00:48:01,253 --> 00:48:05,553
but I also, yeah, I have an interest in
the Reform Party imploding at that point.
906
00:48:06,133 --> 00:48:08,933
Just when Buchanan hoped to
have the political stage to himself,
907
00:48:09,011 --> 00:48:10,011
he was trumped.
908
00:48:10,095 --> 00:48:12,215
Businessman Donald Trump
announcing today,
909
00:48:12,306 --> 00:48:15,266
he too will switch from the
GOP to the Reform Party
910
00:48:15,350 --> 00:48:17,690
and may even seek its
presidential nomination.
911
00:48:17,770 --> 00:48:20,610
And if he does, he says, it will
not be just a publicity stunt
912
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:23,860
for his empire of office
buildings, casinos and hotels.
913
00:48:23,943 --> 00:48:26,993
He will run to win, he says,
despite his reputation.
914
00:48:27,071 --> 00:48:29,071
When Donald Trump announces
that he's going to run,
915
00:48:29,156 --> 00:48:31,116
it completely throws
everything into chaos.
916
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,250
George, should the American people
take the Reform Party seriously?
917
00:48:35,329 --> 00:48:37,459
Well, not if Donald
Trump is their leader.
918
00:48:38,165 --> 00:48:41,535
Donald Trump is being
supported by a fellow named Roger Stone,
919
00:48:41,627 --> 00:48:43,207
who is a longtime
political activist
920
00:48:43,295 --> 00:48:46,045
who had worked for Richard
Nixon and Ronald Reagan.
921
00:48:46,131 --> 00:48:49,301
It looks to me like Pat Buchanan
is going to get in the water,
922
00:48:49,384 --> 00:48:51,684
and a Trump-Buchanan race,
it'd be a great race.
923
00:48:51,762 --> 00:48:54,352
It's unexpected. No
one sees it coming.
924
00:48:54,431 --> 00:48:55,681
And to make matters worse,
925
00:48:55,766 --> 00:48:58,266
Trump doesn't exactly
run for the nomination
926
00:48:58,352 --> 00:49:01,272
so much as he runs
against Pat Buchanan.
927
00:49:01,355 --> 00:49:05,185
He's a Hitler lover. I
guess he's an anti-Semite.
928
00:49:05,275 --> 00:49:07,435
He doesn't like the blacks.
He doesn't like the gays.
929
00:49:07,528 --> 00:49:09,658
What's wrong
with Pat Buchanan?
930
00:49:10,405 --> 00:49:11,945
Well, it's pretty
obvious, isn't it?
931
00:49:12,032 --> 00:49:15,542
He's obviously in love with
Adolf Hitler in some form,
932
00:49:15,620 --> 00:49:18,500
and I don't think the Reform
Party should be taking losers.
933
00:49:18,581 --> 00:49:19,831
Have a good time.
934
00:49:19,915 --> 00:49:24,795
Bear in mind that the arch-strategist
of the Trump campaign is Roger Stone.
935
00:49:24,879 --> 00:49:28,969
Do you think that Roger is up to something
here that deserves closer inspection?
936
00:49:29,049 --> 00:49:30,589
Well, Roger's always
been a little arch.
937
00:49:30,676 --> 00:49:32,636
Uh, I don't know that
he's the arch-strategist.
938
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:37,020
Do you think that Trump is just a
stalking horse for, say, George Bush?
939
00:49:38,392 --> 00:49:41,942
Stone goes overnight
from backing Buchanan to backing Trump,
940
00:49:42,021 --> 00:49:46,031
it's very hard not to conclude
that Stone had intended all along
941
00:49:46,108 --> 00:49:47,988
to undermine
Buchanan's candidacy
942
00:49:48,068 --> 00:49:51,408
in order to make the Reform
nomination completely untenable,
943
00:49:51,488 --> 00:49:54,238
and thus give Bush a clearer
shot at the presidency.
944
00:49:54,324 --> 00:49:57,204
Political observers this
morning are still wondering
945
00:49:57,286 --> 00:50:01,036
what Donald Trump really wants.
Is he running for president,
946
00:50:01,123 --> 00:50:03,633
or just getting his name
and face on television?
947
00:50:04,334 --> 00:50:08,344
He was in the game enough to
get a tease to the national news media,
948
00:50:08,422 --> 00:50:09,722
and then out of the game.
949
00:50:09,799 --> 00:50:11,719
I'm ashamed of this party!
950
00:50:11,801 --> 00:50:12,891
Political pros say
951
00:50:12,968 --> 00:50:15,048
that to have any impact on the
race for the White House,
952
00:50:15,137 --> 00:50:17,927
the Reform Party will have to
shed its image as a circus.
953
00:50:18,015 --> 00:50:20,515
We will not have
mob rule in this party.
954
00:50:20,601 --> 00:50:22,691
Now, what Roger
freely admitted to me,
955
00:50:22,770 --> 00:50:25,110
is that he had known
since the Nixon days
956
00:50:25,189 --> 00:50:28,109
that Pat Buchanan had
an illegitimate child.
957
00:50:28,192 --> 00:50:31,072
Nominating somebody for the
president of the United States
958
00:50:31,153 --> 00:50:34,823
whose name will appear on the
ballot in all 50 states,
959
00:50:34,907 --> 00:50:38,617
who you are blackmailing at the same
time so that he won't really run.
960
00:50:38,703 --> 00:50:40,753
That's not just a dirty trick.
961
00:50:40,830 --> 00:50:43,250
That's a transformation
of democracy.
962
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,420
The allegation
that I spread the rumor
963
00:50:48,503 --> 00:50:50,843
that Pat Buchanan had
an illegitimate child,
964
00:50:50,923 --> 00:50:52,553
this all comes from
Wayne Barrett.
965
00:50:52,633 --> 00:50:55,183
Wayne Barrett is full of shit.
It's false.
966
00:50:55,260 --> 00:50:58,390
Pat Buchanan got less
than half a percent of the vote.
967
00:50:58,472 --> 00:51:00,472
That was humiliating.
968
00:51:00,557 --> 00:51:03,557
Humiliating for him,
for the Reform Party,
969
00:51:03,644 --> 00:51:09,654
and arguably it put the entire third
party campaign effort back by decades.
970
00:51:11,944 --> 00:51:16,124
After the Reform Party cost the
Republicans the White House in '92,
971
00:51:16,198 --> 00:51:17,868
again in '96...
972
00:51:20,620 --> 00:51:23,960
Yeah, I may have played some
role in derailing them as a party.
973
00:51:27,167 --> 00:51:30,207
Roger Stone knows how
to do the triple bank shot.
974
00:51:30,295 --> 00:51:32,165
The one that nobody else can do.
975
00:51:32,256 --> 00:51:35,046
And it ends up changing
the face of a campaign.
976
00:51:35,134 --> 00:51:37,394
Changing the whole
tenor of a debate.
977
00:51:38,012 --> 00:51:39,682
Shifting the entire paradigm.
978
00:51:39,764 --> 00:51:42,274
People today say that they
like doing dirty tricks.
979
00:51:42,349 --> 00:51:43,929
They're pikers
compared to Roger.
980
00:51:44,018 --> 00:51:46,978
Roger has raised it to
an absolute art form.
981
00:51:52,818 --> 00:51:57,568
Sometimes you confuse me with
the Stephen Colbert character
982
00:51:57,657 --> 00:52:00,657
that I sometimes play
called Roger Stone.
983
00:52:00,743 --> 00:52:03,953
Don't... don't confuse him
with the real Roger Stone.
984
00:52:04,747 --> 00:52:07,917
What's the difference?
- You'll have to sort that out.
985
00:52:08,876 --> 00:52:10,836
Joining me now, Roger Stone,
986
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,550
political consultant and strategist.
And great to see you.
987
00:52:14,631 --> 00:52:17,761
There is a Hillary-Nixon connection
that's very historic and important.
988
00:52:17,843 --> 00:52:22,513
In 1964, Hillary Clinton was fired from
the House Nixon Impeachment Committee
989
00:52:22,597 --> 00:52:24,557
for leaking and lying.
990
00:52:24,641 --> 00:52:27,481
Now, she held this
grudge for 40 years.
991
00:52:27,561 --> 00:52:31,321
Hillary repeatedly blocking Nixon
from meeting with Clinton.
992
00:52:31,398 --> 00:52:33,528
Finally, Clinton overrules her.
993
00:52:33,608 --> 00:52:35,858
Nixon and Clinton meet,
and they hit it off.
994
00:52:35,945 --> 00:52:37,315
And Nixon met Hillary.
995
00:52:37,404 --> 00:52:38,954
I said, "Mr. President,
what did you think?"
996
00:52:39,031 --> 00:52:41,871
He said, "She's cold.
Cold as ice."
997
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:44,450
You're doing
a documentary?
998
00:52:44,536 --> 00:52:46,286
Yes, this gentleman's
doing a documentary.
999
00:52:46,371 --> 00:52:49,541
He's one of those dangerous
liberal, pinko, left-wing...
1000
00:52:49,624 --> 00:52:50,924
I hate people like you.
1001
00:52:51,001 --> 00:52:53,671
...homosexual, New York Times
commies, but he's not a bad guy.
1002
00:52:53,754 --> 00:52:55,134
I know who they are.
1003
00:52:55,214 --> 00:52:58,804
Part of the reason we've always
paid attention to Roger,
1004
00:52:58,884 --> 00:53:01,264
is he just looks different
from everyone else.
1005
00:53:01,345 --> 00:53:04,885
You know, here we have
a bodybuilding dandy.
1006
00:53:04,974 --> 00:53:07,394
A category, as far as
I'm concerned, of one.
1007
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:14,730
Ladies and gentlemen, the
Prince of Darkness, Roger J. Stone.
1008
00:53:14,817 --> 00:53:18,237
I am no longer a Republican.
I joined the Libertarian Party.
1009
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:23,280
I do think he is really alienated
from the contemporary Republican Party.
1010
00:53:23,367 --> 00:53:27,657
He is, I think, spiritually, and
now politically, a libertarian.
1011
00:53:27,747 --> 00:53:29,997
From the time that I was
a Young Republican,
1012
00:53:30,082 --> 00:53:31,882
I always had a
libertarian streak.
1013
00:53:31,959 --> 00:53:37,209
I have always been pro-choice,
pro-gay marriage, pro-marijuana.
1014
00:53:37,631 --> 00:53:39,051
As a Libertarian-Republican,
1015
00:53:39,133 --> 00:53:41,553
I've always believed in
gay marriage equality.
1016
00:53:41,635 --> 00:53:47,215
It's a civil right that equal access
is guaranteed by the Constitution.
1017
00:53:47,307 --> 00:53:50,517
So, uh, I'm going to the
Gay Pride parade today.
1018
00:53:55,900 --> 00:53:58,780
Let's welcome the
Log Cabin Republicans!
1019
00:54:02,447 --> 00:54:06,697
The Log Cabin Republicans is the nation's
only organization of Republicans
1020
00:54:06,786 --> 00:54:12,246
who support fairness, freedom and
equality for gay and lesbian Americans.
1021
00:54:17,838 --> 00:54:20,758
He may have, as a
result of his personal life,
1022
00:54:21,466 --> 00:54:24,846
some authentic beliefs
at the age of 60 or 61.
1023
00:54:24,929 --> 00:54:29,559
I think he's internalized some
of the gay rights agenda.
1024
00:54:29,641 --> 00:54:33,731
I think he's internalized
some of the pro-drug agenda.
1025
00:54:35,647 --> 00:54:39,397
After the scandal
devours him in 1996...
1026
00:54:39,484 --> 00:54:41,034
Since he's been rejected
1027
00:54:41,111 --> 00:54:45,031
and essentially thrown out of
mainstream Republican politics,
1028
00:54:45,115 --> 00:54:50,955
he doesn't really have any choice but
to figure out some third-party avenue.
1029
00:54:51,038 --> 00:54:55,498
And so he's looking for
a reprise of 2000.
1030
00:54:55,584 --> 00:55:00,344
He's looking to see if he can find
an angle where he can matter.
1031
00:55:04,051 --> 00:55:08,101
I've stayed away from Roger,
personally, because he's so charming,
1032
00:55:08,180 --> 00:55:10,520
and you can see the ways in
which he distorts the reporters
1033
00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:11,889
who are around that charm.
1034
00:55:11,976 --> 00:55:15,646
At the same time, there's no way
to avoid writing about him,
1035
00:55:15,729 --> 00:55:19,729
since he's been everywhere dark and ugly
in our politics for many, many years.
1036
00:55:20,234 --> 00:55:23,244
In 2004, he's blamed for
forging the documents
1037
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,200
that destroyed Dan Rather's career and
also helped re-elect President Bush.
1038
00:55:27,282 --> 00:55:28,372
Roger Stone,
1039
00:55:28,450 --> 00:55:30,330
an old dirty trickster
from the Nixon days,
1040
00:55:30,410 --> 00:55:32,960
may have been involved in the
production of these documents.
1041
00:55:33,038 --> 00:55:35,368
Look, politics is a
rough-and-tumble business,
1042
00:55:35,457 --> 00:55:36,827
but this is just a cheap shot.
1043
00:55:38,085 --> 00:55:41,375
That same year, Stone consulted
for Al Sharpton's presidential run
1044
00:55:41,463 --> 00:55:44,223
that helped disrupt the
Democratic primary process.
1045
00:55:44,299 --> 00:55:48,259
What Stone is in this for, is to use
Sharpton as a disruptive force.
1046
00:55:48,345 --> 00:55:51,675
Some out there who follow
presidential politics
1047
00:55:51,765 --> 00:55:53,515
ascribe to you magical powers,
1048
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,230
consider you the puppet master
of the Sharpton campaign.
1049
00:55:56,311 --> 00:55:58,521
Look, Roger's always
been an outlaw
1050
00:55:58,605 --> 00:56:02,935
and drawn to like-minded outlaws,
like Sharpton, like Trump.
1051
00:56:03,027 --> 00:56:06,107
I don't think that's changed at all.
What's changed is the country.
1052
00:56:06,696 --> 00:56:09,816
A few years later, he took
credit for bringing down his nemesis,
1053
00:56:09,909 --> 00:56:11,619
New York governor Eliot Spitzer.
1054
00:56:11,701 --> 00:56:15,081
I am deeply sorry that I did not
live up to what was expected of me.
1055
00:56:15,164 --> 00:56:17,424
I am resigning from the
office of governor.
1056
00:56:17,499 --> 00:56:21,589
He says he got a tip
from a hooker in a sex club.
1057
00:56:21,962 --> 00:56:24,552
You had heard that the governor
liked to wear his socks
1058
00:56:24,631 --> 00:56:26,631
when he engaged in
sexual activities?
1059
00:56:26,716 --> 00:56:30,046
I ask you, Dominic, what kind of
guy does it with his socks on?
1060
00:56:30,137 --> 00:56:31,757
Sounds like Eliot Spitzer to me.
1061
00:56:31,846 --> 00:56:35,096
Roger understands
the dark heart of the media
1062
00:56:35,184 --> 00:56:38,524
even better than we understand
ourselves sometimes.
1063
00:56:38,604 --> 00:56:41,324
Because if he tells us
1064
00:56:41,398 --> 00:56:44,478
that Eliot Spitzer was wearing
black socks when he had sex,
1065
00:56:44,568 --> 00:56:47,358
he knew that that would
be irresistible,
1066
00:56:47,446 --> 00:56:51,326
even if it had absolutely nothing
to do with the truth at all.
1067
00:56:51,825 --> 00:56:53,285
What do you say
to people who say,
1068
00:56:53,368 --> 00:56:57,498
"It's awfully convenient that you
happened to meet a prostitute
1069
00:56:57,581 --> 00:57:01,211
who was involved with Eliot Spitzer,
given your animus toward Eliot Spitzer"?
1070
00:57:01,293 --> 00:57:03,463
Uh, there are
skeptics everywhere.
1071
00:57:04,879 --> 00:57:07,129
Stone's so desperate to
stay in the public eye,
1072
00:57:07,216 --> 00:57:09,336
that he peddles garbage
conspiracy theories.
1073
00:57:09,426 --> 00:57:12,176
Like the supposed tape of
Michelle Obama saying "whitey."
1074
00:57:12,262 --> 00:57:15,472
Roger, you can't just say that
and say you have no proof for it
1075
00:57:15,557 --> 00:57:16,927
and make a comment like that.
1076
00:57:17,017 --> 00:57:18,727
No, no, no. Let me finish.
1077
00:57:18,810 --> 00:57:21,270
And worse, the now
infamous "birther" lie
1078
00:57:21,355 --> 00:57:23,975
that President Barack
Obama is a secret Muslim
1079
00:57:24,066 --> 00:57:26,856
and a Manchurian president who
wasn't really born in America.
1080
00:57:26,944 --> 00:57:29,954
Donald Trump's one of the
last people that was still touting that,
1081
00:57:30,030 --> 00:57:32,910
because Roger Stone and he
were conspiring one day
1082
00:57:32,992 --> 00:57:35,542
and Roger giggled and rubbed
his hands together and said,
1083
00:57:35,619 --> 00:57:38,079
"I can get the real birth
certificate from Kenya."
1084
00:57:38,163 --> 00:57:39,913
And Trump, you know,
went and believed it.
1085
00:57:39,999 --> 00:57:42,629
If he wasn't born
in this country,
1086
00:57:42,709 --> 00:57:44,789
it's one of the great
scams of all time. - Absolutely.
1087
00:57:44,878 --> 00:57:47,128
But I don't think that's the case.
- Well, you don't...
1088
00:57:47,756 --> 00:57:50,006
There's something on that birth
certificate that he doesn't like.
1089
00:57:50,092 --> 00:57:51,092
Oh, my God!
1090
00:57:51,176 --> 00:57:53,636
That's a terrible thing to say!
1091
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,850
Have you ever heard of any white president
asked to be shown their birth certificate?
1092
00:57:57,933 --> 00:58:01,353
When you become a president of
the United States of America,
1093
00:58:01,436 --> 00:58:03,556
you know that he is American.
1094
00:58:03,647 --> 00:58:05,437
I'm sorry, that's BS.
1095
00:58:05,524 --> 00:58:10,204
Why is Donald Trump so happy to throw
himself into the "birther" pool?
1096
00:58:10,279 --> 00:58:14,529
Longtime Trump casino lobbyist and GOP
advisor Roger Stone told Politico
1097
00:58:14,616 --> 00:58:18,866
"Personally, I think it is brilliant.
It's base building.
1098
00:58:18,953 --> 00:58:23,383
It gives voice to a concern
shared by many on the right."
1099
00:58:23,458 --> 00:58:26,498
Is there such a thing as coded
appeals to racist sentiment?
1100
00:58:26,586 --> 00:58:29,666
There is such a thing.
- Of course, but I see none here.
1101
00:58:29,756 --> 00:58:30,916
Okay, as far as
you're concerned.
1102
00:58:31,008 --> 00:58:33,008
The whole "birther" movement,
1103
00:58:33,093 --> 00:58:38,433
which was so crazy and
so wrong and so racist,
1104
00:58:38,515 --> 00:58:42,805
that is the basis of
Trump's political appeal.
1105
00:58:50,610 --> 00:58:52,530
Ladies and gentlemen,
1106
00:58:53,113 --> 00:58:55,203
I am officially running...
1107
00:58:57,534 --> 00:59:00,414
...for president of
the United States,
1108
00:59:00,495 --> 00:59:05,165
and we are going to make
our country great again.
1109
00:59:05,250 --> 00:59:07,250
What's your precise
role with Donald Trump?
1110
00:59:07,335 --> 00:59:08,995
Are you a paid advisor?
- Uh... I am now.
1111
00:59:09,088 --> 00:59:13,588
I'm just helping as a general
communications strategist, I guess.
1112
00:59:13,675 --> 00:59:16,465
People get the impression that this
is performance art for Donald Trump.
1113
00:59:16,553 --> 00:59:19,513
Is he serious about being
president of the United States?
1114
00:59:19,598 --> 00:59:24,098
I will build a great, great
wall on our southern border,
1115
00:59:24,186 --> 00:59:27,016
and I will have Mexico
pay for that wall.
1116
00:59:27,106 --> 00:59:28,106
Yes!
- Mark my words.
1117
00:59:28,190 --> 00:59:29,360
Is this a president talking?
1118
00:59:29,441 --> 00:59:30,691
If there is one murder,
1119
00:59:30,775 --> 00:59:34,605
if there is one crime by someone who
is not supposed to be in the country,
1120
00:59:34,696 --> 00:59:35,986
that's one crime too many.
1121
00:59:36,073 --> 00:59:40,583
I think Trump has identified a
legitimate hot-button issue.
1122
00:59:40,660 --> 00:59:44,830
"Donald J. Trump is calling for
a total and complete shutdown
1123
00:59:44,914 --> 00:59:47,884
of Muslims entering
the United States
1124
00:59:47,959 --> 00:59:54,879
until our country's representatives can
figure out what the hell is going on."
1125
00:59:56,676 --> 00:59:58,676
Roger Stone came
to power with Nixon.
1126
00:59:58,762 --> 01:00:01,142
And Nixon, of course, had
the Southern strategy,
1127
01:00:01,223 --> 01:00:04,853
which was all about milking
people's racial resentments,
1128
01:00:04,934 --> 01:00:07,564
and in the case of Trump,
anti-immigrant resentments.
1129
01:00:08,146 --> 01:00:11,226
Working up hate that would turn
them against the government
1130
01:00:11,316 --> 01:00:14,186
and against the so-called
elites who were in government.
1131
01:00:14,278 --> 01:00:17,198
The political system
is a cesspool.
1132
01:00:17,281 --> 01:00:18,241
I've been a lobbyist.
1133
01:00:18,323 --> 01:00:21,033
I worked on the Senate side.
I worked on the House side.
1134
01:00:21,118 --> 01:00:22,658
I saw how the sausage are made.
1135
01:00:22,744 --> 01:00:24,834
The whole process
is deeply corrupt.
1136
01:00:25,705 --> 01:00:27,615
Trump is the only one
who can clean it up.
1137
01:00:27,707 --> 01:00:29,537
Trump!
Trump! Trump!
1138
01:00:29,626 --> 01:00:33,166
Trump! Trump! Trump!
1139
01:00:33,255 --> 01:00:37,585
We are going to Washington, DC,
1140
01:00:37,676 --> 01:00:40,926
and we are going to do what?
1141
01:00:41,012 --> 01:00:43,722
Drain the swamp.
1142
01:00:45,267 --> 01:00:46,767
It is so corrupt.
1143
01:00:46,851 --> 01:00:50,651
The best part is that he's just kicking
the political establishment in the balls.
1144
01:00:50,730 --> 01:00:54,980
They are shitting a brick, because
he's challenging the status quo.
1145
01:00:55,068 --> 01:00:57,698
All these other candidates are
really for the status quo.
1146
01:00:57,779 --> 01:01:03,159
Roger's the ultimate insider, which
makes him incredibly good at seeing
1147
01:01:03,243 --> 01:01:06,543
how to package someone he
could sell as an outsider.
1148
01:01:06,621 --> 01:01:10,121
We are going to stand up
for the American worker
1149
01:01:10,209 --> 01:01:14,589
like nobody has ever stood
up for that worker before.
1150
01:01:15,464 --> 01:01:19,054
There is real upset over
jobs, over globalization,
1151
01:01:19,133 --> 01:01:23,643
over people losing their sort
of status and their incomes.
1152
01:01:23,722 --> 01:01:26,772
You know, there are all kinds
of answers to these questions,
1153
01:01:26,850 --> 01:01:29,770
but the answers that he's
provided, for the most part,
1154
01:01:29,853 --> 01:01:32,563
are the answers that
billionaires are interested in.
1155
01:01:32,647 --> 01:01:37,937
We're also going to eliminate
job-killing regulations.
1156
01:01:38,862 --> 01:01:43,782
And lift the restrictions on the
production of American energy,
1157
01:01:43,867 --> 01:01:50,287
including shale, oil, natural
gas and beautiful, clean coal.
1158
01:01:50,374 --> 01:01:53,214
There's no grassroots movement
1159
01:01:53,293 --> 01:01:57,513
to gut the EPA and give people
dirty water and dirty air.
1160
01:01:57,589 --> 01:02:01,929
The only people who are really caring
about that are the polluting industries.
1161
01:02:02,010 --> 01:02:04,890
They say I have the most loyal people.
Did you ever see that?
1162
01:02:04,971 --> 01:02:06,771
Where I could stand in the
middle of Fifth Avenue
1163
01:02:06,848 --> 01:02:09,598
and shoot somebody, and I
wouldn't lose any voters, okay?
1164
01:02:09,684 --> 01:02:11,354
It's, like, incredible.
1165
01:02:11,436 --> 01:02:14,606
Roger understands that I've
always gotten great ratings,
1166
01:02:14,689 --> 01:02:18,359
whether it's on The Apprentice
or virtually any interview,
1167
01:02:18,443 --> 01:02:19,993
and that's why people
want to interview me.
1168
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:23,029
And I think that's one of the things
that's always fascinated Roger,
1169
01:02:23,114 --> 01:02:26,414
because, ultimately, it
is all about the ratings
1170
01:02:26,493 --> 01:02:29,083
and it is all about people
watching and the eyeballs.
1171
01:02:29,162 --> 01:02:33,212
Mr. Trump, you've called women
you don't like "fat pigs,"
1172
01:02:33,292 --> 01:02:37,502
"dogs," "slobs," and
"disgusting animals."
1173
01:02:37,587 --> 01:02:40,207
Your Twitter account...
- Only Rosie O'Donnell.
1174
01:02:41,508 --> 01:02:44,298
Unlike every other candidate
I have ever worked with,
1175
01:02:44,386 --> 01:02:48,136
he is unscripted, he is
unrehearsed, he is unhandled.
1176
01:02:48,222 --> 01:02:51,732
Contrast that with Jeb Bush, who
looks both bored and annoyed,
1177
01:02:51,810 --> 01:02:56,150
like, "Just... This is mine. Just
anoint me and give it to me.
1178
01:02:56,230 --> 01:02:59,070
Father, Father, tell them
it's my turn to be king."
1179
01:02:59,150 --> 01:03:00,610
Roger,
before you go,
1180
01:03:00,694 --> 01:03:03,784
uh, will you remain with the Donald
now throughout the campaign?
1181
01:03:03,863 --> 01:03:06,163
I'll do whatever the
Donald asks me to do.
1182
01:03:07,492 --> 01:03:08,992
Good evening.
It's been 48 hours
1183
01:03:09,077 --> 01:03:11,157
since the first Republican
presidential debate,
1184
01:03:11,245 --> 01:03:14,785
and a testy exchange between Donald
Trump and moderator Megyn Kelly
1185
01:03:14,874 --> 01:03:16,634
has become a flash
point in the campaign.
1186
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:20,000
You know, you could see there
was blood coming out of her eyes, uh,
1187
01:03:20,088 --> 01:03:22,668
blood coming out
of her wherever.
1188
01:03:22,757 --> 01:03:26,177
Now members of the Republican field
are lining up to criticize him.
1189
01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:29,680
And word this evening that an advisor
and a longtime friend of Trump's
1190
01:03:29,764 --> 01:03:31,484
has resigned from the campaign.
1191
01:03:31,558 --> 01:03:33,388
Trump says he fired him.
1192
01:03:33,477 --> 01:03:34,807
Roger
Stone's a nice guy,
1193
01:03:34,894 --> 01:03:37,774
but I let him go because I
really wasn't using him,
1194
01:03:37,856 --> 01:03:41,736
and he liked to get a lot of publicity
for himself, which I didn't want.
1195
01:03:41,818 --> 01:03:44,068
He's real, he's genuine,
and it's entertaining.
1196
01:03:44,153 --> 01:03:45,663
That's why he's doing so well.
1197
01:03:46,323 --> 01:03:49,783
So why'd he fire you?
- He didn't. I quit.
1198
01:03:49,868 --> 01:03:52,198
"Oh, you can't fire me.
I quit!"
1199
01:03:53,997 --> 01:03:56,957
Did he get fired or
did he quit? I don't know.
1200
01:03:57,041 --> 01:03:59,001
He still hasn't admitted
to me that he got fired,
1201
01:03:59,085 --> 01:04:00,955
and I've tried numerous times.
1202
01:04:01,045 --> 01:04:02,545
"Bullshit, you got fired.
Come on."
1203
01:04:02,631 --> 01:04:03,631
"No, no, no!"
1204
01:04:03,715 --> 01:04:06,585
Because Roger, you know, Roger the
feminist, was really offended
1205
01:04:06,676 --> 01:04:09,296
about what Trump said
about Megyn Kelly.
1206
01:04:10,179 --> 01:04:11,929
I don't need
the Trump campaign
1207
01:04:12,015 --> 01:04:14,055
to generate press
coverage for myself,
1208
01:04:14,142 --> 01:04:17,062
and I can get in the
tabloids any time I want.
1209
01:04:17,145 --> 01:04:19,855
But to say that you want me
to work on your campaign,
1210
01:04:19,939 --> 01:04:21,939
but you don't want me
to talk to reporters
1211
01:04:22,025 --> 01:04:23,775
would be like saying to me,
1212
01:04:23,860 --> 01:04:26,570
"I just don't want you to breathe
air between now and November.
1213
01:04:26,655 --> 01:04:28,945
If you could just agree
not to breathe any air
1214
01:04:29,032 --> 01:04:31,242
or eat any food,
everything will be fine."
1215
01:04:31,325 --> 01:04:35,115
Talking to reporters is what I do.
That's my value.
1216
01:04:35,204 --> 01:04:37,874
Roger Stone and I don't agree on anything.
I don't...
1217
01:04:37,957 --> 01:04:40,747
He does not represent the
Trump campaign. - Not what he says.
1218
01:04:40,835 --> 01:04:42,665
What Roger Stone says
and what the truth are
1219
01:04:42,754 --> 01:04:44,554
are two factually very
different things.
1220
01:04:44,631 --> 01:04:47,551
There's no question
Lewandowski worked behind the scenes
1221
01:04:47,634 --> 01:04:49,554
to get Roger thrown
out of the campaign.
1222
01:04:49,636 --> 01:04:52,006
He is an expert at stabbing
people in the back.
1223
01:04:52,096 --> 01:04:55,266
That guy's got an incredible
capacity for treachery.
1224
01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:58,559
By the way, I spoke to a Polish
language expert the other day.
1225
01:04:58,645 --> 01:05:02,855
I was unaware of the fact that
Lewandowski, loosely translated,
1226
01:05:02,941 --> 01:05:04,321
means "cocksucker."
1227
01:05:04,984 --> 01:05:09,744
Well, Roger is a tough guy, and
Roger will make enemies sometimes
1228
01:05:09,823 --> 01:05:12,413
that I always say, there's
no reason for it.
1229
01:05:13,034 --> 01:05:14,204
Roger is older now,
1230
01:05:14,285 --> 01:05:18,995
and I think he sees
the Trump campaign,
1231
01:05:19,082 --> 01:05:22,422
at once as his creation,
1232
01:05:22,502 --> 01:05:28,682
but also something that he's not
allowed to participate in day to day.
1233
01:05:28,758 --> 01:05:32,508
And that, understandably,
makes him sad.
1234
01:05:32,596 --> 01:05:34,386
I have no
interest in going back.
1235
01:05:34,473 --> 01:05:37,893
Although I strongly support Trump,
we have managerial differences.
1236
01:05:37,976 --> 01:05:41,556
And, meanwhile, I'm just making the very
best case for him in public that I can,
1237
01:05:41,646 --> 01:05:44,396
'cause I do think he
has what it takes.
1238
01:05:44,483 --> 01:05:48,193
There's always this tension between
the candidate and his consultant.
1239
01:05:48,277 --> 01:05:52,157
The candidate resents the credit
the consultant gets for his words.
1240
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,790
The consultant resents, you know, the
fame and fortune the candidate gets
1241
01:05:55,869 --> 01:05:57,329
when he did all the work.
1242
01:05:57,411 --> 01:06:00,461
And Trump hated the fact that Stone
was showing up on cable news
1243
01:06:00,540 --> 01:06:03,130
and that people were, you know,
calling him Trump's brain.
1244
01:06:03,209 --> 01:06:04,209
So he fired him.
1245
01:06:04,293 --> 01:06:06,253
But it doesn't mean he
stopped relying on him.
1246
01:06:06,337 --> 01:06:08,467
It seems to me there is more
than meets the eye here
1247
01:06:08,548 --> 01:06:11,088
with Roger Stone parting company
from the Trump campaign,
1248
01:06:11,175 --> 01:06:14,635
coming on my program and others
and giving the big Trump pitch.
1249
01:06:14,721 --> 01:06:17,311
You media types
are so conspiratorial.
1250
01:06:17,390 --> 01:06:20,730
No. No, the Stone-Trump types, I
think, are the conspiratorial.
1251
01:06:20,810 --> 01:06:21,940
Unlike...
1252
01:06:24,523 --> 01:06:29,073
Only two campaigns have a
plausible path to the nomination.
1253
01:06:29,152 --> 01:06:31,362
Ours and Donald Trump's.
1254
01:06:32,071 --> 01:06:36,791
Nobody else has any mathematical
possibility, whatsoever.
1255
01:06:36,868 --> 01:06:41,288
L-Y-I-N-apostrophe, lyin' Ted!
1256
01:06:41,372 --> 01:06:45,292
The Bible held high, he puts
it down and then he lies.
1257
01:06:45,376 --> 01:06:49,376
Most of the time, I win
the evangelical vote.
1258
01:06:49,463 --> 01:06:53,763
The evangelicals, the
Christians, like Donald Trump.
1259
01:06:53,843 --> 01:06:55,263
I'm a straight shooter.
1260
01:06:55,344 --> 01:06:58,524
After a crushing
13-point defeat in Wisconsin,
1261
01:06:58,598 --> 01:06:59,808
Trump turned a page,
1262
01:06:59,891 --> 01:07:02,731
sidelining campaign manager
Corey Lewandowski.
1263
01:07:02,811 --> 01:07:05,151
He wasn't as effective
for the last couple of months.
1264
01:07:05,229 --> 01:07:07,769
News breaking that the
GOP front-runner, by the way,
1265
01:07:07,857 --> 01:07:12,197
has hired Paul Manafort to lead his
campaign's convention efforts.
1266
01:07:12,278 --> 01:07:16,698
Paul Manafort, former partner of
mine, the single best vote counter
1267
01:07:16,783 --> 01:07:19,953
and convention strategist
in the Republican Party.
1268
01:07:20,036 --> 01:07:23,326
When Paul Manafort got publicly
named, I got a phone call that day.
1269
01:07:23,414 --> 01:07:25,424
And it was Roger on the
other end of the line.
1270
01:07:25,499 --> 01:07:28,879
And you know what he sang?
"Back in the Saddle Again."
1271
01:07:28,962 --> 01:07:30,842
I mean, Roger knows
what Roger's doing.
1272
01:07:31,590 --> 01:07:33,470
Trump asked
me to get involved
1273
01:07:33,550 --> 01:07:36,430
because my reputation, among
other things in politics,
1274
01:07:36,510 --> 01:07:39,850
is understanding of the convention
process, the delegate process.
1275
01:07:39,931 --> 01:07:42,731
And most of the major
successful big conventions
1276
01:07:42,809 --> 01:07:45,809
over the last 30 years, I've
been intimately involved in.
1277
01:07:45,895 --> 01:07:47,765
Did Roger recommend
you for the job?
1278
01:07:47,856 --> 01:07:51,026
Roger was one of the two or three people
who strongly recommended me, yes.
1279
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:55,609
Even after Roger stopped being the
principal political advisor to Trump,
1280
01:07:55,697 --> 01:07:57,657
he continued to be a
very important advisor,
1281
01:07:57,740 --> 01:07:58,660
and is to this day.
1282
01:08:02,411 --> 01:08:03,791
I want to start with Roger Stone,
1283
01:08:03,872 --> 01:08:07,252
because you just launched
a pro-Trump super PAC.
1284
01:08:07,333 --> 01:08:09,753
I thought, A, Donald Trump
didn't like super PACs,
1285
01:08:09,836 --> 01:08:12,046
B, I thought you quit
or he fired you.
1286
01:08:12,130 --> 01:08:15,720
I'm not still sure what happened there. So
what the heck is this all about, Roger?
1287
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:19,550
Roger told me when I was
very young, "Caputo," he says,
1288
01:08:19,638 --> 01:08:21,178
"The media is two things.
1289
01:08:21,264 --> 01:08:24,814
They're either evil or
they're lazy, or they're both.
1290
01:08:24,893 --> 01:08:27,693
And if you understand that,
you can do whatever you want."
1291
01:08:33,151 --> 01:08:37,281
Yeah, I live a pretty
Machiavellian life, and I'm a skeptic.
1292
01:08:37,363 --> 01:08:41,703
I tend to believe the worst of people
because I understand human nature.
1293
01:08:41,785 --> 01:08:44,245
Human nature has never changed.
1294
01:08:44,328 --> 01:08:46,498
That's why one of Stone's
Rules is that hate
1295
01:08:46,580 --> 01:08:48,710
is a stronger
motivator than love.
1296
01:08:48,792 --> 01:08:50,332
That's because it is.
1297
01:08:50,418 --> 01:08:52,918
The National
Enquirer published a story.
1298
01:08:53,004 --> 01:08:57,634
It is a story that quoted one
source on the record, Roger Stone.
1299
01:08:57,717 --> 01:09:01,137
Let me be clear. This National
Enquirer story is garbage.
1300
01:09:01,220 --> 01:09:04,770
And it is a smear that has come
from Donald Trump and his henchmen.
1301
01:09:04,849 --> 01:09:08,939
One of the keys to defeating an
opponent is getting inside their head.
1302
01:09:09,020 --> 01:09:12,570
He incorrectly claims that I
am the source of this story
1303
01:09:12,649 --> 01:09:16,489
regarding allegations that
he has been adulterous.
1304
01:09:16,569 --> 01:09:18,819
And I would note that Mr.
Stone is a man
1305
01:09:18,905 --> 01:09:21,695
who has 50 years of dirty
tricks behind him.
1306
01:09:21,783 --> 01:09:25,703
He's a man for whom a
term was coined...
1307
01:09:27,246 --> 01:09:28,786
for copulating with a rodent.
1308
01:09:28,873 --> 01:09:32,003
I, of course, am quoted in
this story, on the record,
1309
01:09:32,085 --> 01:09:36,205
saying that it would hurt him badly
with his evangelical followers.
1310
01:09:36,297 --> 01:09:40,887
He has, as you know,
attacked me on CNN...
1311
01:09:40,969 --> 01:09:44,389
Roger Stone has been Donald
Trump's chief political advisor.
1312
01:09:44,472 --> 01:09:47,392
He planned and ran his
presidential campaign.
1313
01:09:47,475 --> 01:09:49,595
...attacked me on Megyn Kelly.
1314
01:09:49,686 --> 01:09:54,976
His entire business has been dirty tricks,
has been lies, has been personal smears.
1315
01:09:55,066 --> 01:09:58,896
These attacks on me by him
and by his surrogates,
1316
01:09:58,987 --> 01:10:00,857
I find this most satisfying.
1317
01:10:00,947 --> 01:10:05,447
I hope he's laying awake at night,
worrying about what I'm going to do next.
1318
01:10:06,035 --> 01:10:08,245
He's a little bit
like the Joker in Batman.
1319
01:10:08,329 --> 01:10:10,659
I mean, he gets a kick
out of doing this.
1320
01:10:10,749 --> 01:10:16,209
To some extent, his pleasure
at burning down the house
1321
01:10:16,295 --> 01:10:18,255
is infectious for people.
1322
01:10:18,339 --> 01:10:21,799
And as a reporter, you call him up
because you want the outrageous quote.
1323
01:10:21,885 --> 01:10:24,545
You want, you know... You want
to hear what he's gonna say.
1324
01:10:24,637 --> 01:10:27,177
He's also very plugged-in.
He's in the know.
1325
01:10:27,265 --> 01:10:28,725
He talks to a million people.
1326
01:10:29,308 --> 01:10:32,308
I just got a call from this
reporter who was calling to warn me
1327
01:10:32,395 --> 01:10:35,685
that Corey is now openly telling
people he's got the goods on Manafort.
1328
01:10:35,774 --> 01:10:39,694
He is telling reporters that
he has something on Manafort
1329
01:10:39,778 --> 01:10:42,738
that will blow him
out of the campaign.
1330
01:10:42,822 --> 01:10:44,822
Yeah, we gotta take
the little prick out.
1331
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:50,290
I've been backgrounding reporters on
what a total fucking disaster he's been.
1332
01:10:50,371 --> 01:10:55,461
And there's a story that just
went up by Mike Isikoff at Yahoo
1333
01:10:55,543 --> 01:10:59,883
that dips into the whole
Pakistani blah, blah, blah.
1334
01:10:59,964 --> 01:11:04,144
If you look at Manafort's
long history of lobbying,
1335
01:11:04,218 --> 01:11:07,808
it is about as controversial
as you can get.
1336
01:11:08,597 --> 01:11:12,187
You are as connected
to the insider game
1337
01:11:12,268 --> 01:11:14,648
of, what you've even
said on record yourself,
1338
01:11:14,728 --> 01:11:17,068
"influence peddling,"
as anybody.
1339
01:11:17,148 --> 01:11:19,688
How can you be the antidote
or anything to help Trump
1340
01:11:19,776 --> 01:11:21,526
when you seem to go
against his main message?
1341
01:11:21,610 --> 01:11:22,650
It depends on who you talk to
1342
01:11:22,736 --> 01:11:25,276
if I'm part of the establishment
or part of the antiestablishment.
1343
01:11:25,364 --> 01:11:27,124
You better get rid
of the super PACs
1344
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:30,620
because they're causing a big
problem with this country.
1345
01:11:30,703 --> 01:11:33,333
...and a lot of bad decisions
that are being made
1346
01:11:33,414 --> 01:11:36,134
for the benefit of lobbyists
and special interests.
1347
01:11:36,209 --> 01:11:38,249
Donald Trump tells America
the system is rigged
1348
01:11:38,336 --> 01:11:40,166
by the lobbyists and
the super PAC money,
1349
01:11:40,254 --> 01:11:42,304
and who does he turn
to as his top guys?
1350
01:11:42,381 --> 01:11:46,141
Roger Stone and Paul Manafort, who
literally put up that rigging.
1351
01:11:46,219 --> 01:11:49,559
It's a crooked system, it's
a system that's rigged,
1352
01:11:49,638 --> 01:11:53,308
and we're going to go back to the old way.
It's called "You Vote and You Win."
1353
01:11:53,392 --> 01:11:56,102
Thank you very much, everybody.
Thank you.
1354
01:11:56,187 --> 01:12:00,067
Donald Trump is riding
a crest of voter anger
1355
01:12:00,149 --> 01:12:02,529
over 30 years of
failed policies.
1356
01:12:03,111 --> 01:12:07,201
Voter anger explains the
entire rise of Trump.
1357
01:12:07,281 --> 01:12:08,571
I love the old days.
1358
01:12:08,657 --> 01:12:12,037
You know what they used to do to guys like
that when they were in a place like this?
1359
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,410
They'd be carried out
on a stretcher, folks.
1360
01:12:14,497 --> 01:12:19,837
Go fucking make my tortilla, motherfucker,
and build that fucking wall for me!
1361
01:12:20,461 --> 01:12:21,461
Trump!
1362
01:12:21,545 --> 01:12:24,625
Trump!
Trump! Trump!
1363
01:12:24,715 --> 01:12:28,135
Roger Stone, he's very
smart about anger.
1364
01:12:28,219 --> 01:12:30,719
It's one of the things
he understands best.
1365
01:12:30,804 --> 01:12:36,314
It's angry, white working-class voters
whose resentments are being milked
1366
01:12:36,394 --> 01:12:41,074
to push an agenda that's useful to some
of the richest people in the country.
1367
01:12:41,149 --> 01:12:47,279
These are hardly people who are in
tune with the little guy's interests.
1368
01:12:47,363 --> 01:12:51,663
Um, but they understand how to
manipulate the little guy's interests.
1369
01:12:51,742 --> 01:12:53,742
Can you hear me?
- Yes, I can.
1370
01:12:53,828 --> 01:12:55,538
Can you hear me?
- You're awesome.
1371
01:12:55,621 --> 01:12:57,871
Easy on the rape stuff.
Let's not...
1372
01:12:57,957 --> 01:12:59,497
I'll do the best I can, but...
1373
01:12:59,584 --> 01:13:03,094
I know, I know. Let's just, like...
- Facts are facts, you know?
1374
01:13:03,171 --> 01:13:05,841
Do you believe it's too early for
Trump to be bringing up Bill Clinton?
1375
01:13:05,924 --> 01:13:08,474
Should Trump save all of this
1376
01:13:08,551 --> 01:13:12,011
and wait until he's the nominee
and he's running against her in the general?
1377
01:13:12,096 --> 01:13:13,096
No, I don't agree.
1378
01:13:13,181 --> 01:13:16,101
I don't think he had any choice,
'cause he didn't bring this up.
1379
01:13:16,184 --> 01:13:20,064
Hillary Clinton brought it up when she
attempted to play the victim card.
1380
01:13:20,146 --> 01:13:21,856
Does he know everything
that's in your book?
1381
01:13:21,940 --> 01:13:23,900
Are you giving him
information at all?
1382
01:13:23,983 --> 01:13:26,573
Well, as you know, and
it's been well documented,
1383
01:13:26,652 --> 01:13:29,822
she went after the women very,
very strongly and very viciously,
1384
01:13:29,906 --> 01:13:32,236
according to the women and
according to other sources.
1385
01:13:32,325 --> 01:13:34,695
Uh, a major book's
been written about it.
1386
01:13:34,785 --> 01:13:37,745
And it's a book that's a
very well-respected book.
1387
01:13:38,497 --> 01:13:42,207
If you read Roger's blog, The
Stone Zone, or follow him on Twitter,
1388
01:13:42,293 --> 01:13:43,423
it's like coming attractions
1389
01:13:43,502 --> 01:13:46,012
for the attacks Donald Trump will
be launching two weeks later.
1390
01:13:46,089 --> 01:13:49,929
It is Hillary who hires the
heavy-handed private detectives
1391
01:13:50,009 --> 01:13:53,049
who break into these women's
homes and ransack them,
1392
01:13:53,137 --> 01:13:56,427
who threaten their children,
who kill their pets.
1393
01:13:57,016 --> 01:13:59,436
She's married to a man
1394
01:13:59,518 --> 01:14:02,308
who was the worst abuser of women
in the history of politics.
1395
01:14:02,396 --> 01:14:06,646
And Hillary was an enabler, and
she treated these women horribly.
1396
01:14:06,734 --> 01:14:11,744
Roger's, you know, relationship with
Trump has been so interconnected
1397
01:14:11,822 --> 01:14:14,622
that it's hard to define what's
Roger and what's Donald.
1398
01:14:14,700 --> 01:14:17,370
While it'll be clearly
a Trump presidency,
1399
01:14:17,453 --> 01:14:20,163
I think it's influenced
by a Stone philosophy.
1400
01:14:21,540 --> 01:14:23,250
Shake-up at the Trump campaign
1401
01:14:23,334 --> 01:14:25,294
as the campaign manager,
Corey Lewandowski,
1402
01:14:25,378 --> 01:14:27,418
has now parted ways
with the campaign.
1403
01:14:27,505 --> 01:14:30,875
Paul Manafort taking
the reins of the Trump campaign.
1404
01:14:30,967 --> 01:14:32,217
Well, let's see.
1405
01:14:32,301 --> 01:14:34,301
Is it a surprise
that Paul Manafort
1406
01:14:34,387 --> 01:14:36,597
wound up as the
campaign chairman for Trump?
1407
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,310
No, of course not. That
was engineered by Roger
1408
01:14:39,392 --> 01:14:42,442
as a way to get Corey Lewandowski
bounced out of the campaign.
1409
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:44,110
It took a couple months,
but they did it.
1410
01:14:44,188 --> 01:14:46,318
Roger has had a guiding
hand in all of this.
1411
01:14:46,399 --> 01:14:48,149
Now, Trump is hard to guide.
1412
01:14:48,234 --> 01:14:49,864
He spits the bit out.
1413
01:14:49,943 --> 01:14:52,073
You know, he doesn't want
to be driven at all.
1414
01:14:52,155 --> 01:14:55,655
But Roger's had as much influence
on the campaign as anyone.
1415
01:14:55,741 --> 01:14:57,661
I think the campaign's
being professionalized.
1416
01:14:57,743 --> 01:14:59,953
Manafort's doing a
phenomenal job.
1417
01:15:00,038 --> 01:15:02,788
I think he instills
confidence in the campaign
1418
01:15:02,873 --> 01:15:04,423
that they didn't have before.
1419
01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:07,840
Did you give any reporters
background on Lewandowski?
1420
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:09,170
No.
1421
01:15:09,255 --> 01:15:11,755
Just stay silent!
1422
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,340
Just stay silent!
Just stay silent!
1423
01:15:15,428 --> 01:15:17,308
Just stay silent!
1424
01:15:17,388 --> 01:15:18,718
Just stay silent!
1425
01:15:21,851 --> 01:15:23,601
How often
do you talk to him?
1426
01:15:23,686 --> 01:15:25,306
Uh, from time to time.
1427
01:15:25,396 --> 01:15:27,646
Are you an informal advisor?
Would you call yourself that?
1428
01:15:27,731 --> 01:15:29,651
I'm just an FOT,
Friend of Trump.
1429
01:15:30,276 --> 01:15:33,856
We need, in our
country, law and order.
1430
01:15:34,572 --> 01:15:38,122
And if I'm elected
president, that will happen.
1431
01:15:44,415 --> 01:15:48,125
How real is the Dump Trump
movement inside the Republican Party?
1432
01:15:48,211 --> 01:15:50,921
It's real because you've
got, now, an attitude
1433
01:15:51,004 --> 01:15:53,514
within the Republican Party,
at the highest levels,
1434
01:15:53,591 --> 01:15:55,261
that this would be
better for the party.
1435
01:15:55,343 --> 01:15:57,643
Discussions
about cutting Trump loose
1436
01:15:57,720 --> 01:15:59,930
are focused on the
Republican Convention.
1437
01:16:00,013 --> 01:16:04,353
Finding a way to free delegates for
Trump to vote for someone else.
1438
01:16:04,435 --> 01:16:07,685
I could see Donald Trump
going to the convention in Cleveland
1439
01:16:07,771 --> 01:16:09,731
and having the nomination
stolen from him.
1440
01:16:09,815 --> 01:16:14,235
So, I have set up a convention
operation to try to ensure
1441
01:16:14,695 --> 01:16:18,065
that the Republican nomination
is not stolen from Donald Trump.
1442
01:16:18,157 --> 01:16:21,287
I'm representing a tremendous
many, many millions of people.
1443
01:16:21,369 --> 01:16:23,949
I think you would have problems
like you've never seen before.
1444
01:16:24,038 --> 01:16:26,748
I think bad things would happen.
I think you'd have riots.
1445
01:16:26,832 --> 01:16:31,592
I have warned the public of what
I believe is "the big steal."
1446
01:16:31,670 --> 01:16:33,590
We're going to have protests.
1447
01:16:33,672 --> 01:16:37,802
We will disclose the hotels
and the room numbers
1448
01:16:37,885 --> 01:16:41,345
of those delegates who are
directly involved in the steal.
1449
01:16:41,972 --> 01:16:46,692
What about the issue of Donald
Trump's hit man, Roger Stone,
1450
01:16:46,769 --> 01:16:49,269
threatening violence
in Cleveland?
1451
01:16:49,355 --> 01:16:51,935
Appropriate rhetoric? - I'm
not giving him my hotel room.
1452
01:16:52,024 --> 01:16:54,654
Okay, so do you sort of...
1453
01:16:54,735 --> 01:16:57,065
Roger is not an official
part of the campaign.
1454
01:16:57,155 --> 01:16:59,815
Did he bring you in? Okay.
- No. In fact, not at all.
1455
01:16:59,907 --> 01:17:03,987
Roger Stone threatened yesterday that
he will send Donald Trump supporters
1456
01:17:04,077 --> 01:17:06,997
to the hotel rooms of
any Republican delegate
1457
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:10,000
who tries stealing the nomination
from Trump this summer.
1458
01:17:10,083 --> 01:17:12,673
And those delegates will
probably answer the door, too,
1459
01:17:12,753 --> 01:17:15,013
because they're
expecting a prostitute.
1460
01:17:15,088 --> 01:17:17,048
"Hey!"
1461
01:17:27,935 --> 01:17:29,975
Caputo.
- How are you, man?
1462
01:17:30,062 --> 01:17:31,272
I'm good.
- What's going on?
1463
01:17:31,355 --> 01:17:33,895
Thank you. One more photo?
- All right. Give 'em hell.
1464
01:17:33,982 --> 01:17:34,982
Mr. Stone.
1465
01:17:35,067 --> 01:17:36,987
How are you? - Thank you
for your years of service.
1466
01:17:37,069 --> 01:17:39,569
Thank you very much.
I appreciate it. That's very kind.
1467
01:17:39,655 --> 01:17:41,105
Make America great again.
1468
01:17:46,787 --> 01:17:50,037
I'm very sorry, but I am
not gonna do this again.
1469
01:17:50,123 --> 01:17:53,753
Delegates were denied an
opportunity to vote on the rules.
1470
01:17:53,836 --> 01:17:57,876
Some saw it as their last chance
to take the nomination from Trump.
1471
01:17:57,965 --> 01:18:01,675
We want Trump!
We want Trump!
1472
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:03,640
Trump is able to take
over the Republican Party
1473
01:18:03,721 --> 01:18:07,311
because the Republican Party is a
bit like the Reform Party in 2000.
1474
01:18:07,391 --> 01:18:08,931
It's become a shell.
1475
01:18:09,017 --> 01:18:11,807
When it's something which is so
out of touch with its own voters,
1476
01:18:11,895 --> 01:18:16,065
someone who steps in and
communicates through social media
1477
01:18:16,149 --> 01:18:19,199
straight into television,
with tremendous charisma,
1478
01:18:19,278 --> 01:18:21,448
is able to steal the party.
1479
01:18:21,947 --> 01:18:23,527
One half of the Trump story
1480
01:18:23,616 --> 01:18:29,076
is the story about how one man's ego led
him to take over the Republican Party.
1481
01:18:29,162 --> 01:18:33,252
The other half of the story is how
the Republicans became so hollow
1482
01:18:33,334 --> 01:18:35,004
that someone could
do that to them.
1483
01:18:35,085 --> 01:18:38,915
The Trump campaign is the apotheosis
of Roger Stone's politics.
1484
01:18:39,006 --> 01:18:40,626
America!
1485
01:18:40,716 --> 01:18:44,796
It's the part of the
Republican Party that he represents:
1486
01:18:44,887 --> 01:18:48,597
toughness, anger, not being
politically correct.
1487
01:18:48,682 --> 01:18:50,982
If you look at the crime
rate in places like Chicago,
1488
01:18:51,059 --> 01:18:52,479
it's out of control, yes.
1489
01:18:52,561 --> 01:18:56,321
Trump is the law and order candidate.
He does speak to the silent majority.
1490
01:18:56,399 --> 01:18:58,689
I'm here with Roger
Stone, the one and only.
1491
01:18:58,776 --> 01:19:01,896
Kind of a legend in political
consulting, and, I think fair to say,
1492
01:19:01,987 --> 01:19:04,777
one of the, if not the, architect
of the Trump movement.
1493
01:19:04,865 --> 01:19:06,155
You've had an
interesting career,
1494
01:19:06,242 --> 01:19:09,662
because you were in the kind of
establishment political world
1495
01:19:09,745 --> 01:19:11,035
and you had a great
career there.
1496
01:19:11,121 --> 01:19:14,921
Then you kind of went off into
your Stone world for a while.
1497
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,040
And now you're back.
Now you're a big deal.
1498
01:19:17,127 --> 01:19:18,457
We're now in the age of Stone.
1499
01:19:18,546 --> 01:19:20,876
I mean, I feel like it's
come all the way around,
1500
01:19:20,964 --> 01:19:23,224
back to the days when you
and I and Terry Dolan
1501
01:19:23,301 --> 01:19:25,431
were plotting a takedown
of the establishment.
1502
01:19:25,511 --> 01:19:29,391
Then we became the establishment.
Then we became antiestablishment.
1503
01:19:29,473 --> 01:19:31,523
Roger is a lot more than
a dirty tricks artist.
1504
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,400
He kind of grabs that persona.
It's like his pro wrestling name.
1505
01:19:34,478 --> 01:19:37,148
But in the real world of politics,
he's a real strategist.
1506
01:19:37,230 --> 01:19:40,730
And I think whenever he kind of creates
the dirty trickster thing for the media,
1507
01:19:40,818 --> 01:19:42,698
he's having fun, but he's
slumming a little bit.
1508
01:19:42,778 --> 01:19:46,198
You're a rape denier!
You're a rape denier!
1509
01:19:46,282 --> 01:19:48,662
America may be collapsing
and breaking apart,
1510
01:19:48,742 --> 01:19:51,242
but Roger Stone is
determined to enjoy it.
1511
01:19:51,495 --> 01:19:55,415
This for you, right here. It's "rape."
It's Bill Clinton. It says "rape."
1512
01:19:55,499 --> 01:19:57,629
Okay, you know who does
this kind of shirt?
1513
01:19:57,710 --> 01:19:58,750
First of all, a sick guy.
1514
01:19:58,836 --> 01:20:00,166
Get him, Stone! Come on!
1515
01:20:00,253 --> 01:20:03,383
You know who's accused in court
papers of being a rapist?
1516
01:20:03,466 --> 01:20:05,256
Donald J. Trump!
- By Jane Doe.
1517
01:20:05,343 --> 01:20:06,393
By Jane and Tiffany Doe.
1518
01:20:06,469 --> 01:20:09,009
Jane Doe. Who's Jane Doe?
- It's in court papers.
1519
01:20:09,096 --> 01:20:12,266
You're a sick man, Roger Stone.
- No. You're a liar. Stone-cold liar.
1520
01:20:12,350 --> 01:20:13,930
You're the biggest liar.
- No.
1521
01:20:14,017 --> 01:20:15,937
You're a piece of...
- Spitzer, he's a great guy?
1522
01:20:16,019 --> 01:20:18,269
First of all, Alex, this
ain't your fucking show.
1523
01:20:18,356 --> 01:20:20,476
And, Roger, it surely
ain't your fucking show!
1524
01:20:20,566 --> 01:20:23,316
Blowjob! Blowjob! Blowjob! Bullshit!
Bullshit! Bullshit!
1525
01:20:23,402 --> 01:20:26,282
You're a hatchet man. I don't know why
anyone in the media takes you seriously.
1526
01:20:26,364 --> 01:20:27,824
You're a lightweight.
You don't know anything.
1527
01:20:27,906 --> 01:20:30,696
All you do is lie. You're known
as the biggest liar in media.
1528
01:20:30,784 --> 01:20:32,954
Name the lie. - The
biggest liar in media.
1529
01:20:33,036 --> 01:20:35,536
Name a lie, loser. There's
nobody watching your show, dude.
1530
01:20:35,623 --> 01:20:37,883
The guy starts pointing at me
and yelling like a maniac.
1531
01:20:37,958 --> 01:20:39,418
"You're a liar! A proven liar!"
1532
01:20:39,502 --> 01:20:41,962
I say, "What have I lied about?"
He says, "Eliot Spitzer."
1533
01:20:42,045 --> 01:20:45,295
I said, "He didn't like hookers?
He doesn't like to choke women?
1534
01:20:45,383 --> 01:20:47,303
Don't you read the
newspapers, dude?"
1535
01:20:50,137 --> 01:20:52,347
He's gonna be considered
the Prince of Darkness.
1536
01:20:52,431 --> 01:20:57,601
And if he dies with that on his tombstone,
I think he'll consider himself a success.
1537
01:21:19,458 --> 01:21:21,248
I wanted to say hello.
- Hey. How are you?
1538
01:21:21,334 --> 01:21:22,634
You remember...
1539
01:21:25,673 --> 01:21:27,803
Roger's relationship with Trump,
1540
01:21:27,883 --> 01:21:31,013
they both see the world
in a very similar way.
1541
01:21:31,094 --> 01:21:33,894
If Trump is elected president,
I think Roger will see
1542
01:21:33,972 --> 01:21:37,642
one more very significant impact
he's had on world history.
1543
01:21:47,445 --> 01:21:49,735
I could not
be more proud tonight
1544
01:21:49,822 --> 01:21:52,992
to present to you and
to all of America,
1545
01:21:53,659 --> 01:22:00,289
my father and our next
president, Donald J. Trump.
1546
01:22:13,637 --> 01:22:19,227
Friends, delegates and
fellow Americans,
1547
01:22:19,309 --> 01:22:25,569
I humbly and gratefully
accept your nomination
1548
01:22:25,649 --> 01:22:29,279
for the presidency of
the United States.
1549
01:22:29,361 --> 01:22:34,871
USA! USA! USA!
1550
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:38,620
I would argue that Roger Stone, after
30 years working for Donald Trump,
1551
01:22:39,246 --> 01:22:42,666
is one of his primary influences,
perhaps the primary influence.
1552
01:22:42,750 --> 01:22:47,050
And to think that the guy who calls out
people on Twitter like Roger does,
1553
01:22:47,129 --> 01:22:49,339
who's done the things
and told the stories,
1554
01:22:49,923 --> 01:22:53,763
is actually in the catbird
seat with a Republican nominee
1555
01:22:53,844 --> 01:22:55,264
is something for
the record books.
1556
01:22:55,345 --> 01:22:56,925
CNN has banned Roger Stone,
1557
01:22:57,014 --> 01:22:59,274
the Republican strategist
and former Trump advisor,
1558
01:22:59,349 --> 01:23:00,429
from appearing as a guest.
1559
01:23:00,518 --> 01:23:05,148
This after the discovery of his offensive
tweets against CNN contributors.
1560
01:23:05,230 --> 01:23:06,610
Stone once called Ana Navarro
1561
01:23:06,690 --> 01:23:09,610
an "abusive diva" and
"borderline retarded."
1562
01:23:09,693 --> 01:23:12,403
Stone also called
then-contributor Roland Martin
1563
01:23:12,488 --> 01:23:15,738
a "stupid negro," a
"moron" and a "token,"
1564
01:23:15,824 --> 01:23:18,244
and suggested he eat
more fried chicken.
1565
01:23:18,326 --> 01:23:21,156
To ban someone because you
disagree with their views
1566
01:23:21,246 --> 01:23:24,036
demonstrates you're not
really a news organization,
1567
01:23:24,124 --> 01:23:25,884
but you're an opinion
organization.
1568
01:23:25,959 --> 01:23:29,919
CNN means Clinton News Network.
1569
01:23:30,005 --> 01:23:33,045
There are more people
watching Infowars.com
1570
01:23:33,133 --> 01:23:37,103
than watching MSNBC and, at
some hours, CNN combined.
1571
01:23:37,638 --> 01:23:40,308
Ladies and gentlemen,
we are broadcasting worldwide.
1572
01:23:40,390 --> 01:23:45,810
Roger Stone, the consummate Trump
insider, the vice-Trumpian joins us.
1573
01:23:45,896 --> 01:23:49,686
You've got Alex Jones, he's like the
sort of main conspiracy theorist,
1574
01:23:49,775 --> 01:23:51,475
probably the most popular
in American life now.
1575
01:23:51,569 --> 01:23:53,529
You know, Roger Stone goes
on that show every day.
1576
01:23:53,612 --> 01:23:56,662
There's this crazy vortex of all
that stuff back from the '90s
1577
01:23:56,740 --> 01:23:59,410
just now sort of exploding
through the channel of Trump.
1578
01:23:59,492 --> 01:24:01,372
I'm never a
lesser-of-two-evils person,
1579
01:24:01,453 --> 01:24:03,713
but with Hillary, there's
not even the same universe.
1580
01:24:03,789 --> 01:24:07,249
I mean, she is an abject,
psychopathic demon from hell.
1581
01:24:07,334 --> 01:24:08,844
Alex Jones
is very important.
1582
01:24:08,919 --> 01:24:13,049
I realize the elite media likes to
call him a conspiracy theorist.
1583
01:24:13,131 --> 01:24:15,341
I don't like 'em putting
chemicals in the water
1584
01:24:15,425 --> 01:24:17,585
that turns the
frickin' frogs gay!
1585
01:24:18,262 --> 01:24:19,812
Do you understand that?
1586
01:24:20,514 --> 01:24:22,474
I'm
sick of this crap!
1587
01:24:22,558 --> 01:24:27,058
He has a bully pulpit that
allows him to reach millions of people,
1588
01:24:27,145 --> 01:24:28,765
and they are Trump's people.
1589
01:24:28,856 --> 01:24:31,856
They are outsiders,
skeptical about government,
1590
01:24:31,942 --> 01:24:35,402
skeptical about the bullshit government
is always trying to peddle you.
1591
01:24:35,487 --> 01:24:37,527
Mexico is a globalist
client state.
1592
01:24:37,615 --> 01:24:39,865
And they teach 'em,
"America belongs to you.
1593
01:24:39,950 --> 01:24:42,240
You're gonna get the gringo.
Plan of San Diego."
1594
01:24:42,327 --> 01:24:43,367
Don't know what that is?
1595
01:24:43,453 --> 01:24:48,213
It's a plan to take over in a race war
and kill all whites below the age of 16.
1596
01:24:48,291 --> 01:24:52,671
Sure it's a non-elitist , but
they're Americans and they vote.
1597
01:24:52,754 --> 01:24:56,724
Tell us, Mr. Trump, about Mr. Stone,
who helped get this interview set up.
1598
01:24:57,134 --> 01:24:59,854
Well, Roger's a good guy,
and he is a patriot.
1599
01:24:59,928 --> 01:25:02,008
He's a tough cookie,
but people like him.
1600
01:25:02,097 --> 01:25:04,467
But he's been so loyal
and so wonderful.
1601
01:25:04,557 --> 01:25:08,727
And thank God for the Breitbarts
and the Daily Callers
1602
01:25:08,812 --> 01:25:11,822
and the Townhalls and
the Infowars.com
1603
01:25:11,899 --> 01:25:16,819
and the so many alternative media
sites where we can learn the truth
1604
01:25:16,904 --> 01:25:21,374
and we can tell the truth and
we can spread the truth.
1605
01:25:21,449 --> 01:25:24,329
This is not conservatism
as we have known it.
1606
01:25:24,411 --> 01:25:27,211
This is not Republicanism
as we have known it.
1607
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:31,080
These are racist ideas,
race-baiting ideas,
1608
01:25:31,168 --> 01:25:34,758
anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant,
anti-women.
1609
01:25:34,838 --> 01:25:41,678
All key tenets making up the emerging
racist ideology known as the alt-right.
1610
01:25:41,762 --> 01:25:45,722
I think Trump should get more, you
know, more, quote, "conspiratorial."
1611
01:25:45,808 --> 01:25:47,688
We created ISIS.
1612
01:25:47,768 --> 01:25:52,558
The vacuum created by George W. Bush
and then Hillary Clinton armed ISIS.
1613
01:25:52,648 --> 01:25:57,778
ISIS is honoring
President Obama.
1614
01:25:57,861 --> 01:26:01,821
He is the founder of ISIS.
He's the founder of ISIS.
1615
01:26:01,907 --> 01:26:04,197
I would say the cofounder
1616
01:26:04,284 --> 01:26:09,044
would be Crooked Hillary
Clinton, cofounder.
1617
01:26:09,122 --> 01:26:12,462
I think it's whatever Roger Stone e-mails
Donald Trump in the middle of the night.
1618
01:26:12,542 --> 01:26:14,592
He wakes up, and that's
their strategy. - That's right.
1619
01:26:14,670 --> 01:26:15,800
Excuse me.
1620
01:26:19,174 --> 01:26:21,974
So go online and put
down "Hillary Clinton illness."
1621
01:26:22,052 --> 01:26:23,642
Take a look at the
videos for yourself.
1622
01:26:23,721 --> 01:26:27,471
This fringe allegation that
Hillary Clinton is not well,
1623
01:26:27,557 --> 01:26:29,887
her health isn't good, is
something that we're seeing
1624
01:26:29,977 --> 01:26:31,767
more and more with
Donald Trump supporters.
1625
01:26:31,854 --> 01:26:33,654
Some of the Breitbart
readers have brought it up.
1626
01:26:33,731 --> 01:26:36,071
Also, Roger Stone has
been talking about it.
1627
01:26:36,149 --> 01:26:38,819
She's got no stamina. I think
it's abundantly clear.
1628
01:26:38,902 --> 01:26:42,912
She doesn't have the
strength or the stamina
1629
01:26:42,990 --> 01:26:46,620
to make America great again.
Believe me.
1630
01:26:47,285 --> 01:26:49,285
The people behind
Trump's candidacy,
1631
01:26:49,371 --> 01:26:53,041
including Giuliani, including Roger
Ailes, including Roger Stone,
1632
01:26:53,125 --> 01:26:57,545
including his so-called brain
trust, believe this stuff works.
1633
01:26:59,339 --> 01:27:01,469
Now the children's
table is the adult table.
1634
01:27:01,549 --> 01:27:04,849
And Alex Jones is, you know,
passing the dinner rolls.
1635
01:27:04,928 --> 01:27:07,388
And we're all
conspiracy America now.
1636
01:27:07,472 --> 01:27:08,772
Thank you.
1637
01:27:08,849 --> 01:27:12,019
Even if Donald Trump
loses, I still win,
1638
01:27:12,102 --> 01:27:15,272
because the Stone brand has
been front and center,
1639
01:27:15,355 --> 01:27:19,225
and my brand of politics have
finally come into their own.
1640
01:27:19,317 --> 01:27:22,567
CNN, MSNBC, they're
now the fringe.
1641
01:27:22,654 --> 01:27:26,664
Alt-right communications,
we are the mainstream.
1642
01:27:26,742 --> 01:27:32,002
Did Trump really believe that Obama
was not born in the United States?
1643
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:38,550
Does Roger Stone really believe that
Bill Clinton raped all these women?
1644
01:27:38,628 --> 01:27:41,798
You know, it doesn't matter
to them is more the point.
1645
01:27:41,882 --> 01:27:45,222
It's their tactic in
the political wars.
1646
01:27:45,302 --> 01:27:50,392
And for them, there are no boundaries.
Anything goes. Anything that wins, fine.
1647
01:27:50,473 --> 01:27:55,273
Today, WikiLeaks
releasing 1,700 new stolen e-mails.
1648
01:27:55,353 --> 01:27:58,153
The Clinton campaign
is accusing a top Trump advisor
1649
01:27:58,231 --> 01:28:01,231
of scheming with WikiLeaks
and Russian intelligence
1650
01:28:01,318 --> 01:28:03,068
against Hillary Clinton.
1651
01:28:03,153 --> 01:28:07,123
I, actually, have
communicated with Assange.
1652
01:28:07,950 --> 01:28:10,330
I believe the next
tranche of his documents
1653
01:28:10,410 --> 01:28:12,700
pertain to the
Clinton Foundation.
1654
01:28:12,788 --> 01:28:15,498
Have you spoken with
the WikiLeaks founder?
1655
01:28:15,582 --> 01:28:18,002
No, I have not spoken to Mr.
Assange,
1656
01:28:18,085 --> 01:28:20,955
I have not met with Mr. Assange,
and I never said I had.
1657
01:28:21,046 --> 01:28:23,046
House Democrats
now saying in Washington,
1658
01:28:23,131 --> 01:28:25,551
"Let's investigate Roger
Stone's ties to the Russians."
1659
01:28:25,633 --> 01:28:29,723
Has the FBI interviewed Roger Stone about
his communications with Julian Assange,
1660
01:28:29,805 --> 01:28:32,845
or his knowledge of how WikiLeaks got
these illegally obtained documents?
1661
01:28:32,933 --> 01:28:34,313
I can't comment on that.
1662
01:28:34,392 --> 01:28:36,482
Only Mr. Assange
knows what he's going to do.
1663
01:28:36,561 --> 01:28:39,611
Now, I think he's a hero,
fighting the deep state,
1664
01:28:39,689 --> 01:28:42,319
taking on both the Republicans
and the Democrats.
1665
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:44,400
Taking on the
establishment, really.
1666
01:28:44,486 --> 01:28:46,146
Law enforcement
sources tell CNN
1667
01:28:46,238 --> 01:28:49,028
that the FBI has been conducting
multiple investigations
1668
01:28:49,116 --> 01:28:53,446
and it continues to examine allegations
against Roger Stone, a Trump supporter,
1669
01:28:53,536 --> 01:28:55,956
about possible connections
to WikiLeaks.
1670
01:28:56,039 --> 01:28:58,209
Those probes include a
year-long investigation
1671
01:28:58,291 --> 01:29:00,291
of Trump campaign
manager Paul Manafort
1672
01:29:00,377 --> 01:29:04,507
and his firm and their alleged ties
to pro-Putin figures in Ukraine.
1673
01:29:04,589 --> 01:29:08,549
These cyberattacks come from the
highest levels of the Kremlin,
1674
01:29:08,635 --> 01:29:11,505
and they are designed to
influence our election.
1675
01:29:11,596 --> 01:29:14,846
I find that deeply disturbing,
and I think it's time...
1676
01:29:14,933 --> 01:29:17,393
She has no idea whether it's Russia...
- ...you take a stand...
1677
01:29:17,477 --> 01:29:18,767
...China, or anybody else.
1678
01:29:18,854 --> 01:29:22,654
I'm not quoting myself. I'm quoting 17...
- Hillary, you have no idea.
1679
01:29:22,732 --> 01:29:25,652
The Clinton thugs,
they're the ones saying,
1680
01:29:25,735 --> 01:29:29,525
"Donald Trump is a traitor to his
country, in bed with Vladimir Putin,"
1681
01:29:29,614 --> 01:29:30,784
a man he's never even met.
1682
01:29:30,866 --> 01:29:32,986
Russia, if you're listening,
1683
01:29:33,076 --> 01:29:39,166
I hope you're able to find the
30,000 e-mails that are missing.
1684
01:29:39,249 --> 01:29:42,039
It's the low road in
American politics.
1685
01:29:42,127 --> 01:29:47,667
They have unabashedly embraced the
toughest tactics you can take.
1686
01:29:47,757 --> 01:29:50,677
And you can see it in Roger Stone,
and you can see it in Trump.
1687
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,390
I mean, no boundaries
to what they would do.
1688
01:29:53,471 --> 01:29:55,771
They'll twist the truth
if they need to.
1689
01:29:55,848 --> 01:29:57,978
They're cynical about politics.
1690
01:29:58,060 --> 01:30:01,060
They think people who
take the high road
1691
01:30:01,146 --> 01:30:05,356
or who try to act
virtuously are chumps.
1692
01:30:05,442 --> 01:30:07,902
The Trump campaign's latest
reboot now underway.
1693
01:30:07,986 --> 01:30:10,566
Two new top officials who
Trump is bringing in.
1694
01:30:10,655 --> 01:30:13,325
Pollster Kellyanne Conway
as campaign manager,
1695
01:30:13,408 --> 01:30:18,368
and Breitbart News honcho Steve Bannon
to be Trump's new campaign CEO.
1696
01:30:18,455 --> 01:30:21,575
Sources say Manafort is
being, quote, "sidelined."
1697
01:30:21,666 --> 01:30:24,206
Another bombshell from the
Trump campaign today.
1698
01:30:24,294 --> 01:30:27,974
The resignation of the embattled
campaign chairman Paul Manafort,
1699
01:30:28,048 --> 01:30:30,088
amid a wave of bad headlines
1700
01:30:30,175 --> 01:30:33,715
and growing questions about
Manafort's connections to Russia.
1701
01:30:33,803 --> 01:30:37,143
Also added to the team is the
disgraced Fox News chief Roger Ailes,
1702
01:30:37,224 --> 01:30:40,644
and also Roger Stone, who
is a political operative.
1703
01:30:40,727 --> 01:30:45,107
Roger Ailes, Roger Stone, Steve
Bannon, they play rough.
1704
01:30:45,190 --> 01:30:48,150
Bannon is a bomb thrower
in the Stone mold.
1705
01:30:48,235 --> 01:30:51,775
Somebody I like enormously.
He's got guts.
1706
01:30:51,863 --> 01:30:54,623
He understands new
media in a way that
1707
01:30:54,699 --> 01:30:57,329
I think no one else in
the Trump campaign did.
1708
01:30:57,410 --> 01:31:00,910
He understands the fine points of
the Clinton oeuvre, if you will.
1709
01:31:00,998 --> 01:31:03,918
Uh, he has republished all
of my toughest material
1710
01:31:04,001 --> 01:31:07,091
from The Clintons' War on
Women at Breitbart News.
1711
01:31:07,170 --> 01:31:09,130
So he understands the enemy
1712
01:31:09,214 --> 01:31:11,884
better than, perhaps, anybody
else in the Trump campaign.
1713
01:31:11,966 --> 01:31:15,426
And like Donald
Trump, he's fearless.
1714
01:31:15,512 --> 01:31:18,562
He's tough as nails.
He's driven.
1715
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:22,310
Uh, I think he's the campaign's
secret weapon at this point.
1716
01:31:22,394 --> 01:31:25,234
Good evening, everybody.
It is now established,
1717
01:31:25,313 --> 01:31:29,533
this is indeed the dirtiest presidential
campaign in modern history.
1718
01:31:29,609 --> 01:31:31,529
The last four
weeks of the campaign,
1719
01:31:31,611 --> 01:31:33,911
Roger Stone said it's
going to be brutal.
1720
01:31:33,988 --> 01:31:37,578
Earlier today, the Washington Post
released audio of Donald Trump from 2005.
1721
01:31:40,995 --> 01:31:42,705
Kind of
relevant to people
1722
01:31:42,789 --> 01:31:46,919
whether their future president
happens to also be a sexist pig.
1723
01:31:47,001 --> 01:31:50,091
A new poll reveals how
much that tape of Donald Trump
1724
01:31:50,172 --> 01:31:51,922
is hurting his poll numbers.
1725
01:31:52,006 --> 01:31:56,466
Breitbart and Roger Stone
are in Donald Trump's head
1726
01:31:56,553 --> 01:31:59,183
telling him, "You need to
go all-out scorched-earth."
1727
01:31:59,264 --> 01:32:03,444
Bill Clinton sexually
assaulted innocent women,
1728
01:32:03,518 --> 01:32:08,108
and Hillary Clinton attacked
those women viciously.
1729
01:32:08,190 --> 01:32:12,490
I expect in the fall that many of
these women will be speaking out.
1730
01:32:12,569 --> 01:32:17,199
Bill Clinton raped me, and
Hillary Clinton threatened me.
1731
01:32:17,282 --> 01:32:20,162
Kathy Shelton
was paid $2,500 in May
1732
01:32:20,243 --> 01:32:22,623
by a pro-Trump super PAC
run by Roger Stone.
1733
01:32:22,704 --> 01:32:27,584
If you look at Bill Clinton, far worse.
Mine are words and his was action.
1734
01:32:27,667 --> 01:32:31,297
After the most recent debate,
Clinton leads 49 to 41.
1735
01:32:31,379 --> 01:32:34,259
You've got Roger Stone running out
there saying that the system is rigged
1736
01:32:34,340 --> 01:32:36,260
and that there'll be revolution
and blood in the streets.
1737
01:32:36,342 --> 01:32:39,972
It's just awfully good that someone
with the temperament of Donald Trump
1738
01:32:40,054 --> 01:32:42,974
is not in charge of the
law in our country.
1739
01:32:43,057 --> 01:32:45,267
Because you'd be in jail.
1740
01:32:45,352 --> 01:32:47,652
FBI director
James Comey announced
1741
01:32:47,729 --> 01:32:51,069
the bureau is renewing its investigation
into her personal e-mail server.
1742
01:32:51,149 --> 01:32:53,239
Crooked Hillary Clinton.
1743
01:32:53,318 --> 01:32:55,278
It's not clear if the
tightening in the polls stems
1744
01:32:55,362 --> 01:32:58,952
from FBI director James Comey's
widely condemned disclosure.
1745
01:32:59,031 --> 01:33:01,661
Donald Trump has taken
this country to the brink.
1746
01:33:01,743 --> 01:33:05,463
And tomorrow, voters are
likely to take it back.
1747
01:33:13,796 --> 01:33:17,256
Good morning to you.
576 days campaigning,
1748
01:33:17,342 --> 01:33:19,722
more than 280 campaign events
1749
01:33:19,802 --> 01:33:22,722
and now this historic
day is finally here.
1750
01:33:22,805 --> 01:33:25,765
Hillary Clinton calls this
election the test of our time.
1751
01:33:25,850 --> 01:33:28,690
In Rochester, New York,
dozens put "I voted" stickers
1752
01:33:28,770 --> 01:33:31,230
on the grave of suffragist Susan B.
Anthony
1753
01:33:31,314 --> 01:33:34,324
on the day the first woman
nominee for president
1754
01:33:34,401 --> 01:33:36,441
with a major party
was on the ballot.
1755
01:33:36,528 --> 01:33:38,818
We're looking at the first woman
president of the United States.
1756
01:33:38,905 --> 01:33:41,115
Aren't you excited for the
first female president?
1757
01:33:41,199 --> 01:33:42,909
No!
- I am.
1758
01:33:42,992 --> 01:33:45,372
We can't go for Crooked Clinton.
We can't go for her.
1759
01:33:45,453 --> 01:33:47,713
If Hillary Clinton can run for
president, can you do anything?
1760
01:33:47,789 --> 01:33:48,829
Yeah.
1761
01:33:48,915 --> 01:33:51,165
Hillary Clinton
is favored to win today.
1762
01:33:51,251 --> 01:33:54,091
The polls have all shown her
ahead by four points or so.
1763
01:33:54,171 --> 01:33:57,261
I'm not fatalist. I just
see them with CNN, ABC,
1764
01:33:57,340 --> 01:33:59,050
all about how Hillary's
gonna win all day.
1765
01:33:59,133 --> 01:34:00,933
And I see they're pre-scripting
she's gonna win.
1766
01:34:01,010 --> 01:34:02,720
They're very hopeful.
They're optimistic.
1767
01:34:02,804 --> 01:34:07,354
A glass ceiling they're hoping to,
symbolically, burst through tonight.
1768
01:34:07,434 --> 01:34:10,904
Super excited. I wanna make sure
that I'm here to experience history.
1769
01:34:10,978 --> 01:34:14,478
What we see from the early returns is that
her ground game has really delivered.
1770
01:34:14,566 --> 01:34:17,066
Let me tell you this, it is
Florida, Florida, Florida.
1771
01:34:17,151 --> 01:34:20,281
Donald Trump has
taken the lead in Florida.
1772
01:34:20,363 --> 01:34:23,833
I talked to some of my colleagues
in Trump Tower just a few minutes ago.
1773
01:34:23,908 --> 01:34:26,408
There's a little optimism here.
1774
01:34:26,494 --> 01:34:28,414
No one thought it was gonna
be this close at this point.
1775
01:34:28,496 --> 01:34:29,706
Trump can still win this.
1776
01:34:29,789 --> 01:34:31,039
We have another
state to project.
1777
01:34:31,123 --> 01:34:32,253
It is North Carolina.
1778
01:34:32,334 --> 01:34:34,254
Battleground state. It's
going to Donald Trump.
1779
01:34:34,336 --> 01:34:36,126
I was actually ready
to go to bed,
1780
01:34:36,213 --> 01:34:39,013
uh, then I started seeing the
Electoral College come in,
1781
01:34:39,090 --> 01:34:40,550
and I'm, like, super psyched.
1782
01:34:40,633 --> 01:34:43,723
This is going to be a
very close election.
1783
01:34:43,803 --> 01:34:46,313
I'm seeing these
late-breaking trends.
1784
01:34:46,389 --> 01:34:50,889
This could hand Trump the presidency.
Folks, this is not, by any means, over.
1785
01:34:50,977 --> 01:34:55,437
I think there's some real jitters setting
in at Clinton headquarters right now.
1786
01:34:55,523 --> 01:34:59,653
Wolf, the scene here is so different
than it was a few hours ago
1787
01:34:59,736 --> 01:35:01,896
when people were
happy and relaxed.
1788
01:35:01,988 --> 01:35:03,778
This is most unexpected.
1789
01:35:03,865 --> 01:35:08,075
It certainly is a huge, huge surprise
to so many people out there...
1790
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:10,830
I think we all
thought it couldn't happen,
1791
01:35:10,913 --> 01:35:13,963
that he couldn't do what he did.
And guess what?
1792
01:35:14,041 --> 01:35:15,791
He may just do it.
1793
01:35:15,877 --> 01:35:20,337
Donald Trump has taken the lead.
He has 216 electoral votes.
1794
01:35:20,423 --> 01:35:22,173
The beginning of the end for
Hillary Clinton's campaign.
1795
01:35:22,259 --> 01:35:23,799
He's pulling ahead
of Hillary Clinton.
1796
01:35:23,885 --> 01:35:24,885
You see it there, 222...
1797
01:35:24,969 --> 01:35:29,139
...a number of groups who are
likely feeling real fear right now.
1798
01:35:29,223 --> 01:35:31,023
You've got women, immigrants,
1799
01:35:31,100 --> 01:35:33,400
who have been threatened by
Donald Trump with deportation.
1800
01:35:33,478 --> 01:35:35,398
How do I explain
this to my children?
1801
01:35:35,480 --> 01:35:38,690
I have Muslim friends who
are texting me tonight,
1802
01:35:38,775 --> 01:35:40,605
saying, "Should I
leave the country?"
1803
01:35:40,693 --> 01:35:42,533
America is crying tonight.
1804
01:35:42,612 --> 01:35:46,622
I'm not sure how much of America, but
a very, very significant portion.
1805
01:35:46,699 --> 01:35:48,539
And I mean literally crying.
1806
01:35:50,537 --> 01:35:52,577
Trump!
Trump! Trump!
1807
01:35:52,664 --> 01:35:55,004
This is a
very unexpected turn,
1808
01:35:55,082 --> 01:35:59,632
and now, his here is saying,
"President Trump, President Trump,"
1809
01:35:59,712 --> 01:36:02,212
and there is vast
celebration going on here.
1810
01:36:02,299 --> 01:36:04,969
Donald Trump will be the
45th president of the United States.
1811
01:36:05,552 --> 01:36:07,142
Ah, yeah.
1812
01:36:07,220 --> 01:36:09,220
The basket of
deplorables has arrived.
1813
01:36:11,557 --> 01:36:13,597
People have
talked about a miracle.
1814
01:36:14,436 --> 01:36:16,346
I'm hearing about a nightmare.
1815
01:36:16,437 --> 01:36:19,267
USA! USA!
1816
01:36:19,357 --> 01:36:22,857
This is your life now. This is us.
This is our country.
1817
01:36:32,829 --> 01:36:34,329
Stone's Rule.
1818
01:36:34,414 --> 01:36:36,714
"Past is fucking prologue."
1819
01:36:37,500 --> 01:36:41,590
"Silent majority," "the
forgotten Americans."
1820
01:36:41,671 --> 01:36:44,131
"I am the candidate
of law and order."
1821
01:36:50,930 --> 01:36:54,770
It's not me who found this trend.
It's those who went before me.
1822
01:36:54,851 --> 01:36:58,861
I just saw Trump's ability to
utilize it to become president.
1823
01:37:00,648 --> 01:37:05,028
This is the manifestation of
a dream I've had since 1988.
1824
01:37:05,111 --> 01:37:08,781
And I've always thought Donald Trump had
the size and the courage and the balls
1825
01:37:08,865 --> 01:37:10,615
to become president
of the United States.
1826
01:37:16,038 --> 01:37:19,668
We're in the age of Stone because
the change in our politics,
1827
01:37:19,751 --> 01:37:24,381
the rough-and-tumble cutthroat politics,
the slash-and-burn of what was just
1828
01:37:24,464 --> 01:37:28,684
probably the dirtiest, nastiest
campaign in American political history,
1829
01:37:29,260 --> 01:37:30,760
are now in vogue.
1830
01:37:33,515 --> 01:37:36,675
What message would you have
for the viewers of this film
1831
01:37:36,768 --> 01:37:39,268
who will loathe you
when the credits roll?
1832
01:37:40,021 --> 01:37:42,191
I revel in your hatred,
1833
01:37:42,273 --> 01:37:44,943
because if I weren't effective,
you wouldn't hate me.
1834
01:37:47,093 --> 01:37:51,293
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