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I didn't do anything though!
I didn't do anything!
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You fucking smacked the bottle.
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I did not! I didn't do it -
I swear to God it wasn't me
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- That's because I didn't do it!
- C'mon, yeah keep going
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Be fair.
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Officer, I swear to you,
I didn't...
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I argued with him, but I did not hit him.
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I can't really say that I
have a title at this point,
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I'm working on it but Dash Snow.
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So what keeps you alive?
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Four big bottles of water a day,
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two packs of Marlboro reds and...
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What keeps me alive, shit...
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♪ New York, I love you, but
you're bringing me down ♪
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I'm in love with this city.
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I have a permanent bond, you know,
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it's in my blood.
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I love to love it.
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I hate hating it.
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♪ New York I love you, but
you're bringing me down ♪
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It's the worst place to be
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if you're not happy
there, so it's a thin line
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between love and hate.
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♪ Like a rat in a cage ♪
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♪ Pulling minimum wage ♪
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♪ New York I love you, but
you're bringing me down ♪
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I'll tell you what I don't believe in,
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can I do that?
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All right, I don't believe in laws
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or the system by any means whatsoever.
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I try not to obey them at any time.
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♪ Our records all show
you are filthy, but fine ♪
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That's what I believe in not believing in.
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♪ And oh, take me off your mailing list ♪
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♪ For kids who think it still exists ♪
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I was taking pictures and
making work for a long time
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before I'd show anyone.
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I'd only show my friends,
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I mean I have no shame, I'm not ashamed
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of anything, I don't care
about what people see,
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but for me, this is not for anyone,
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this is for us, it's like
a really pure moment.
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♪ Maybe you're right, maybe I'm wrong ♪
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♪ And I ♪
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No no yeah that really happened.
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Your wife
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Oh, wow...
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Dash, nice to meet you.
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Nice to meet you, what's your name?
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Chrissy
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- Nice to meet you
- And that's George
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Take it easy!
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(guitar music)
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That was my first solo show,
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it was an honest portrayal
of what was going on,
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you know?
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I'm a pretty dark person,
I thought about ending it
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a million times.
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(instrumental music)
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Something that I've learned
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is art doesn't just happen,
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it doesn't just appear out of the ether.
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Individuals have to make it happen.
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He was the most charismatic artist I'd met
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since Jean-Michel Basquiat,
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who also embodied so much of
his aesthetic in his person.
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So he had this kind of situationist idea
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of psychogeography and he
would just wander the city
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looking for sites to take polaroids
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To tag whatever.
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We're talking about the 2000s,
it was sort of pre-internet.
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So artists would gather together
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and just talk to one another
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rather than communicate over
social media or whatever.
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One of the last moments
where New York city
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itself was the sort of
studio and the crucible
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for these ideas and
artworks, not the world.
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And it was conceived of as a
completely collaborative work
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fueled by a certain kind of bravado,
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a certain kind of art-making, by drugs.
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♪ I got my blade, I got my
lady gonna touch my hand ♪
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♪ give a little kiss ♪
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- By sex.
- ♪ Like this ♪
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It felt as if that energy
that had been the domain
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of musicians was being
encapsulated in the art world
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- at that moment.
- ♪ Lord have mercy ♪
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♪ Lord have mercy ♪
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(upbeat music)
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Dash was such an influential
figure in this scene.
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He really was at the center.
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This is like typical night
out Dan's doing a bump,
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Dash is wearing chain mail for no reason.
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He was so many different things
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to so many different
people that it's really
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hard to understand him
as a complete person
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'cause you only got one part of it
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whereas somebody else might
have gotten another part.
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That's why I think it's
interesting to try to do this film
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to like piece it all together
and try to explain honestly
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your best version of
who you believe he is.
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(upbeat music)
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(knocking)
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(laughing)
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You know what I mean?
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They loved to take the
heads off of my barbies
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and throw those out the window,
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the doorman would come to our apartment
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and be like, is this yours?
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(sploosh)
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You know what I mean,
just like...
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Can I take a picture with the (indistinct)
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You got to get in the light though.
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Is this thing on?
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I see a red light.
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When you're 12 and
you're out in the middle
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of the night and you're
in a place where nobody
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else is supposed to be
and you got free reign
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and you see this incredible
thing that's huge
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in the dark in the tunnel,
it was amazing.
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You know when you got
to a museum or a gallery
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and you're like, you can't
stop looking at a painting,
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it was that, turned up.
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Just because of the environment.
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- It's a fucking addiction you know,
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it's just in your blood and that's it.
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You do it all the time
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and you know, you become a fanatic
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and he's a fucking beast.
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This is when I first met Dash.
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The way I met him was funny.
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I used to go to this place
called the freedom tunnels,
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the Amtrak tunnels.
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Because it was near my
house where I grew up.
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I went in there one day.
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I got chased out
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by some guys with pipes,
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Share 37 and Mars 69.
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- Yo, he actually came up to me,
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told me and Mars, yo, what's up?
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They didn't rob me with
the pipes, obviously,
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they bought me a forty
and we hung out, you know?
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Sace, myself.
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I'd been doing it for
about a year and half
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and they kind of schooled me a little bit,
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gave me some letters, whatever,
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and at first, I was doing
what they were giving me
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and I was like, fuck this, I
wanna do what I want to do.
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So I added an R, as a desperate attempt
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to try to make it at
least a little bit more
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interesting because it was
just like the stupidest name.
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Sace.
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I just did that one the other night.
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I like it because
there's no rooftops on C,
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so that one kind of
sticks out, you know?
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I'd like to say I climbed,
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but I know someone who
lives in the building.
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My dad used to live down here
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because I grew up in Midtown,
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but I remember coming down here
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I guess like mid, late 80s
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it was pretty... out of hand.
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♪ You hard motherfucker,
you ain't seen it yet. ♪
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Manhattan, New York City
was not like it is now,
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where like Downtown is
fucking Beverly Hills,
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like it wasn't a crazy
barrier that you had to be
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a bazillionaire to live anywhere.
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You know?
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It was more of just, a neighborhood
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you know what I mean,
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And we were kids, you skate, you write,
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you hang out, you want to be a bad kid,
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you want to be cool and we
just thought we were ill.
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I always had a psychotic,
like unhealthy amount
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of freedom as a young person.
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What's the other name?
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That's my partner in crime, Glace.
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G-L-A-C-L, Glace, no meaning
whatsoever, I just like
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messing around with the letters.
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When did you first meet Dash?
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I was walking through
Central Park, bump into like
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25 other people who I had problems with.
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I told them that I'd
fight any two of them,
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they're like, okay, who
do you want to fight?
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I said I would fight this
kid Louie and then Dash.
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(drums beating)
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They wouldn't let me fight Dash,
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Louie slammed my head into a brick wall.
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(police siren squawking)
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Coming through folks,
thank you, coming through.
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The police came, we shook hands
and we ended up hanging out,
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throwing watermelons at cars,
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smoking weed, causing trouble
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and from that day forward,
we were just pals.
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(child speaking Spanish)
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Thinking back on my own
history and then a son now,
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I don't know, it's kind
of a daunting thing.
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I had no boundaries, no rules, no nothing.
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I was living in this
house where there was like
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these big drug dealers,
like in the Projects,
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in the south Bronx
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for three weeks and my one
memory of this was like
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doing coke with these
30-something year old men
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and I'm like 14 and I really
looked up to these guys,
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like old school graffiti guys, you know,
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and like four or five
little Puerto-Rican kids
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and black kids running all
around while we're doing coke
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and I think one of them had
like his mistress kind of
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situation in the house with
the kids and the mother
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of the kids came and freaked out
and was like
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"Who's this fucking white boy
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in our house, you're giving him cocaine,
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he's a teenager, we're gonna get arrested,"
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and he had to make me leave,
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he said "I'm so sorry",
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so I stayed in some
other projects, you know.
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- Do you like it so far?
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- Yeah but I don't understand it.
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My brother is a graffiti artist,
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but he does the drawing stuff, you know,
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with the fingers, yeah like that.
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Tagging, yeah okay, you could say that,
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and it looks interesting though.
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But I'm just curious.
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They told everybody in the neighborhood
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that I was half Irish
and half Puerto-Rican
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to maybe make it okay,
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like I don't know how I
could get away with that.
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Yeah, I'll open the building,
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Hey there.
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How's it going guys?
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What's going on?
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Yeah, hell no, man.
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Thank you.
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You have to master the
art of sneaking out,
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which I did till I was like 11 or 12.
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What did you do when you
went out when you were 11?
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Steal beer, I don't know, just go write.
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I think even at 13,
everyone thought they were
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so fucking cool, but Dash is like,
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"yo, I painted a train with this guy
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who painted trains in the 80s."
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And you're like, what the fuck
are you talking about?
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But then at the same time,
we're like, that's dope.
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This guy is doing all this shit
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while we're all just like
cashing silver marker
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tags by the pizza shop.
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We would just be out all night.
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When it was time to go home,
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the birds were actually
chirping in the morning.
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And he would just cut school,
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and my mother started questioning things,
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she's like, "yo, man, does this kid
go to school or something?"
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(dramatic music)
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He told me that he was basically,
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essentially kidnapped in
the middle of the night.
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He didn't know where he was going
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for a long time, they
only revealed it to him
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when he arrived there.
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What pops into my mind is bounty hunters,
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but not exactly, but sort of the same.
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The process is, escorts were hired,
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who were big thugs, that would come
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and pick kids up at their homes
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at 4 a.m. and bring
them unbeknownst to them
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sometimes with chains between their legs
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or handcuffs, so probably,
two people brought Dash
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unexpectedly to Georgia.
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And that was something that
didn't just happen to him,
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I guess that was a fad.
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I met Dash at Hidden Lake
Academy, just a fucked up place.
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I would see some kids arrive
in these little zipties,
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fighting and you know,
it would be like a show,
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we'd all kind of watch
the new kids arriving
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and you'd be like,
welcome to hell you know?
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The ways they got here
were traumatic to them.
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Then what would happen,
they would be strip searched
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and it was common and
kids did sneak in drugs
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and knives and other stuff.
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They would sort of like
strip you of your identity
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kind of like if you had long hair,
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they cut it, whether
it was a band T-shirt,
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or a pair of sneakers
that you skate-boarded in,
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they didn't allow you to have
any sort of individual expression.
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We were like caged animals.
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There was one guy and he was in there
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for raping his mother
and I remember one night
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over 50 kids went into his room
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while he was sleeping and beat
the living shit out of him.
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There was a lot of kids
that would cut themselves
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and try to run away.
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He told me that the girls
would cut themselves
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and drink each other's blood.
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He told me they had him do arbitrary work,
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like dig fucking ditches
and fill them back up again.
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Like clearing bushes, digging trenches,
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moving railroad ties,
in these massive blocks,
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kind of on the side of the roads,
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like warcamp style, building the facility
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for the next group of kids,
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carrying pitchforks, we were
like a little chain gang.
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(announcer)
You've got to be able to take it.
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Your body's got to be able to take it.
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At that point I just wanted
to destroy everything.
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If There was wall in front of me,
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I wanted to smash it,
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and if there was a person in front of me,
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I wanted to smash it, I was so angry
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at everything.
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I didn't want to be anything,
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I just wanted to escape, you know,
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Counts of Monte Cristo.
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I had a completely different
mindset, just like,
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being abused and
locked up and every night
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before you go to bed they
make you take all your clothes
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off, pick your balls up, bend
over, spread your ass cheeks,
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open your mouth and the
walls of the room you stay
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are all painted bright
yellow or shades of dark
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or weird greenish gray, like hospitals,
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jails and psychiatric institutions.
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It's all like, the tones
of the colors of the walls
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try to control you in another way.
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This whole fucking
bullshit therapeutic trip.
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Most of the kids there were
there mandatory by court,
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you know, but my mother paid
for me to go to this place.
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Paid.
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So eventually my father
came because I refused
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to have my mother come
in. I love my father,
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but I stole his wallet,
it was my only means
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of escaping and I escaped, ran away,
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and took the train back
to New York, and I lived
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in the Projects in the South Bronx.
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I can't think of anything
that he really did wrong,
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but the whole thing of
separating all of us
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and sending us in different directions
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wasn't new, she had always done that,
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even when we were kids, we weren't really
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allowed to play together.
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We had to be in separate rooms.
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Insane.
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But you know, my grandmother
is like 75 years old
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or something like this and
she's super fucking cool.
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(dramatic music)
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You have to understand
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before Dashiell Alexander
Whitney Snow was alive,
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00:19:04,272 --> 00:19:08,860
his family, Christophe
alone was very dynamic
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in New York and knew Andy Warhol,
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dated John Lee Hooker,
and would have parties,
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she lived in a firehouse.
I heard.
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And Mick Jagger would come to her parties
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and get wasted.
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She married Robert Thurman,
who was actually much younger
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than her, my grandmother
was like 35 and he was 19.
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He was very involved
with the counter culture
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and very close to Timothy Leary
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and did a lot of experimentation
with that kind of stuff.
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Ultimately, he decided to become a monk
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and he was the first
westerner to be ordained
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a Buddhist monk.
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(unsettling music)
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- We didn't really spend
that much time with him,
363
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like my mom told us that he was dead.
364
00:20:47,333 --> 00:20:49,878
And you live with your grandma?
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And my wife.
366
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And your wife.
367
00:20:52,881 --> 00:20:54,883
And you got married like two years ago?
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Like a year and a half ago
or something like that.
369
00:21:04,726 --> 00:21:06,144
Is she from here?
370
00:21:06,144 --> 00:21:10,648
Uh-uh, she's from an
island in the Pacific.
371
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No, I'll tell you.
372
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The waitress at the restaurant
was a graffiti writer.
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I was completely in love with her,
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she's a pirate like me and I love her,
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I will always love her, you know?
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He was very sweet always, very nice.
377
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He knew about everything and everybody.
378
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We were at this party and Dash was like
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I got something to tell you
guys, you don't know about me,
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and he broke down the
fact that he had descended
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from the Schlumberger oil fortune,
382
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which you know, I went home
383
00:22:54,377 --> 00:22:56,212
and looked it up, and figured out,
384
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oh man, this is not only the oil fortune,
385
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it's DIA it's like it's everything.
386
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My great grandmother Dominique
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moved to Texas during WWII
fleeing from the Nazis,
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because John de Menil, her husband
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was part of the French resistance,
390
00:23:16,107 --> 00:23:18,151
so were some of her
brothers and they had been
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sabotaging the Nazi trains.
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So they moved to Houston and
that's when they started
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00:23:26,159 --> 00:23:27,911
the Menil Collection.
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You have this family that
has so much privilege
395
00:23:38,671 --> 00:23:43,176
and yet there wasn't a whole
lot of emotional support.
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00:23:44,761 --> 00:23:46,387
They say blood is thicker than water,
397
00:23:46,554 --> 00:23:47,555
but sometimes it's not.
398
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So I had to find my own family
which eventually happened.
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(instrumental music)
400
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You know when I met Dash, he was homeless
401
00:24:29,722 --> 00:24:34,727
and I met him and Kunle
because they were constantly
402
00:24:34,727 --> 00:24:36,354
at Astor place.
403
00:24:36,354 --> 00:24:39,482
He was sleeping on the
subways, and him and Dash
404
00:24:39,482 --> 00:24:41,359
were street kids.
405
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,319
I knew him right when he ran away,
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00:24:43,486 --> 00:24:45,989
the year that I ran away, it is amazing
how we found each other,
407
00:24:45,989 --> 00:24:47,323
I needed to get away from my family,
408
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he needed to get away from his family.
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00:24:49,367 --> 00:24:51,494
Big up my homie
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00:24:51,494 --> 00:24:54,372
And we have all this energy
and we need to be sort
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of be around like-minded people.
412
00:24:56,749 --> 00:24:59,502
Being gay in the suburbs
was always really tough
413
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and I felt really misunderstood and I just
414
00:25:01,587 --> 00:25:06,009
felt like I needed to find
people that were like me
415
00:25:06,009 --> 00:25:08,011
and that were interested
in the same things
416
00:25:08,011 --> 00:25:10,763
that I was interested in.
417
00:25:10,763 --> 00:25:12,390
Being from New Jersey where there's only
418
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one or two kids in each town that skated,
419
00:25:14,726 --> 00:25:17,603
you would link up and go to New York
420
00:25:17,603 --> 00:25:20,481
and you would kind of
all skate from the banks
421
00:25:20,481 --> 00:25:24,027
to the sea port, to midtown,
skate all over the city.
422
00:25:24,027 --> 00:25:25,737
Once you start coming to New York,
423
00:25:25,737 --> 00:25:27,905
it sort of becomes an addiction.
424
00:25:27,905 --> 00:25:29,532
A lot of these kids in
New Jersey would be like,
425
00:25:29,532 --> 00:25:32,368
I can't believe you go to
New York and skate all day
426
00:25:32,368 --> 00:25:35,246
and you get chased and you go to raves.
427
00:25:35,246 --> 00:25:37,165
And I would look at them and I would say
428
00:25:37,165 --> 00:25:39,417
I can't believe that you don't.
429
00:25:39,417 --> 00:25:40,418
It was right there,
430
00:25:40,418 --> 00:25:42,045
it's so easy.
431
00:25:42,045 --> 00:25:44,005
And you felt part of the bigger thing
432
00:25:44,005 --> 00:25:47,675
than you did wherever
it was you came from.
433
00:25:47,675 --> 00:25:51,304
I think I'm getting addicted to this shit.
434
00:25:53,931 --> 00:25:57,060
Visually they were the most exciting kids,
435
00:25:57,060 --> 00:25:59,062
and I wanted to make a
film about that generation
436
00:25:59,062 --> 00:26:01,564
which I knew nothing about.
437
00:26:01,564 --> 00:26:05,818
I met Ryan, after Kids
I think, and I met Dash
438
00:26:05,818 --> 00:26:07,570
through Ryan.
439
00:26:07,570 --> 00:26:10,073
I remember crossing the street with Dash
440
00:26:10,073 --> 00:26:12,200
and talking to him, laughing with him
441
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,660
and I felt like I was a teenager.
442
00:26:14,660 --> 00:26:16,412
I'll never forget it.
443
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:22,043
I actually wrote a screenplay
and the premise was
444
00:26:22,043 --> 00:26:23,586
Dash's crew.
445
00:26:25,338 --> 00:26:27,840
Where should I write IRAK?
446
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,301
I couldn't get it produced
because no one understood it,
447
00:26:30,301 --> 00:26:31,094
you know?
448
00:26:33,471 --> 00:26:36,099
Silly graffiti writer, just do this.
449
00:26:36,265 --> 00:26:36,974
Ready?
450
00:26:37,141 --> 00:26:40,686
Track mark, Renegade,
what else did we have?
451
00:26:40,686 --> 00:26:41,854
Crispy White Kids.
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00:26:42,021 --> 00:26:43,856
We started a crew for a few days,
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00:26:43,856 --> 00:26:46,692
Crispy White Kids, but
it was one white guy,
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a Dominican and a negro.
455
00:26:48,820 --> 00:26:49,612
I wasn't down.
456
00:26:49,612 --> 00:26:50,571
I can't be down.
457
00:26:50,571 --> 00:26:52,240
The crew lasted for one day, man.
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00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,116
It was your crew.
459
00:26:53,116 --> 00:26:53,616
So?
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00:26:53,616 --> 00:26:56,119
I was trying to put you
on, on your own little,
461
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:57,870
you don't remember that?
462
00:26:57,870 --> 00:26:58,830
When I tried to do that for you?
463
00:26:58,830 --> 00:27:00,623
Yeah, IRAK
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00:27:00,790 --> 00:27:05,086
That's our crew, a few years, a few years.
465
00:27:05,086 --> 00:27:07,130
'99 was when that really kicked off.
466
00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:10,383
It's Kunle's crew, like he started it.
467
00:27:10,383 --> 00:27:12,385
I started stealing shit
468
00:27:12,385 --> 00:27:15,388
and then I met some other graffiti writers
469
00:27:15,388 --> 00:27:17,390
that were into stealing
shit and were good at it,
470
00:27:17,390 --> 00:27:19,392
but not as good as me.
471
00:27:19,392 --> 00:27:22,353
Kunle was a booster, he
made his money shoplifting,
472
00:27:22,353 --> 00:27:24,981
stealing North Faces, like Enfamil powders
473
00:27:24,981 --> 00:27:27,775
and selling them to
Bodega guys and etc, etc.
474
00:27:27,775 --> 00:27:31,154
And it's the closest thing
to a job that anybody had.
475
00:27:31,154 --> 00:27:32,113
You'd be walking down the street
476
00:27:32,113 --> 00:27:34,157
with Farsnot and
he didn't like the way
477
00:27:34,157 --> 00:27:35,283
he was dressed.
478
00:27:35,283 --> 00:27:38,035
He would go into a store and
come out with all different
479
00:27:38,035 --> 00:27:40,746
clothes, he would just
leave his clothes there
480
00:27:40,746 --> 00:27:42,665
and take the clothes he wanted.
481
00:27:42,832 --> 00:27:43,791
I'm just good.
482
00:27:43,791 --> 00:27:47,378
Like seriously, everything, cereal,
483
00:27:47,378 --> 00:27:48,629
frying pans,
484
00:27:48,629 --> 00:27:50,923
scuba suits, steak.
485
00:27:50,923 --> 00:27:53,551
Him doing things that were next to magic,
486
00:27:53,551 --> 00:27:56,929
like pulling a chair out of his pant leg,
487
00:27:56,929 --> 00:27:59,056
like a collapsible chair.
488
00:28:02,393 --> 00:28:05,396
They definitely weren't
normal graffiti writers
489
00:28:05,396 --> 00:28:07,440
that wore graffiti writing clothes
490
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,444
like they would go out
bombing in a $20,000 mink coat,
491
00:28:11,444 --> 00:28:12,778
you know what I'm saying?
492
00:28:12,778 --> 00:28:14,906
They didn't give a fuck about that stuff.
493
00:28:14,906 --> 00:28:17,825
We were a multicultural crew.
494
00:28:17,825 --> 00:28:19,577
Kunle being gay.
495
00:28:19,577 --> 00:28:21,204
You eat a lot of steak huh?
496
00:28:21,204 --> 00:28:23,581
I eat a lot of meat if
you know what I mean?
497
00:28:23,748 --> 00:28:26,209
There was zero maturity,
you know, that's the person
498
00:28:26,209 --> 00:28:28,586
that we make fun of and
they're like, faggot, faggot.
499
00:28:28,586 --> 00:28:30,463
And it's like okay, really,
do you want to fight
500
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:31,589
or something because
you got to stop calling
501
00:28:31,589 --> 00:28:32,548
me a faggot, and they're like,
502
00:28:32,548 --> 00:28:33,424
what are you, gay?
503
00:28:33,424 --> 00:28:34,467
And it's like, yeah, and?
504
00:28:34,467 --> 00:28:36,594
And they're like, (laughing).
505
00:28:36,594 --> 00:28:39,305
And then we would fight and I'm just like,
506
00:28:39,305 --> 00:28:40,932
okay, so.
507
00:28:41,682 --> 00:28:43,935
Graffiti is this basically uptight,
508
00:28:43,935 --> 00:28:48,606
homophobic, and just uptight,
tough guys, you know?
509
00:28:48,606 --> 00:28:52,944
And Larsnot showed up
as like a big pro-gay,
510
00:28:52,944 --> 00:28:56,364
sex-positive graffiti
writer and it just really
511
00:28:56,364 --> 00:28:58,491
rejuvenated the whole thing.
512
00:28:58,491 --> 00:29:02,203
It made it, it was like
fresh ink in the mop.
513
00:29:02,203 --> 00:29:04,997
That crew was definitely
like what New York City
514
00:29:04,997 --> 00:29:05,873
was supposed to be,
515
00:29:05,873 --> 00:29:09,460
the ultimate melting pot of
new ideas and experiments.
516
00:29:09,460 --> 00:29:11,629
That was like right when I met him,
517
00:29:11,629 --> 00:29:13,005
I think I ran into him one time
518
00:29:13,172 --> 00:29:15,841
at a party and he was with the whole crew,
519
00:29:16,008 --> 00:29:17,635
and they were acting so crazy,
520
00:29:17,635 --> 00:29:19,845
wearing all this stolen tech gear,
521
00:29:19,845 --> 00:29:21,347
writing tags in the hallways.
522
00:29:21,347 --> 00:29:22,390
They were all like...
523
00:29:22,390 --> 00:29:24,600
(yelling)
524
00:29:26,978 --> 00:29:29,105
After we met, every day
and night we painted,
525
00:29:29,105 --> 00:29:32,483
and we'd go to bars after
you paint or before,
526
00:29:32,650 --> 00:29:34,652
and started just getting
introduced to this crazy
527
00:29:34,652 --> 00:29:36,404
life that Dash lived.
528
00:29:37,905 --> 00:29:40,533
(solemn music)
529
00:30:08,144 --> 00:30:11,939
We're on 7th Street, between 1st and A,
530
00:30:11,939 --> 00:30:14,317
yes, this is Ryan's building.
531
00:30:14,650 --> 00:30:15,818
Yeah.
532
00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:18,946
(upbeat music)
533
00:30:23,326 --> 00:30:25,578
And it was like the kitchen was a mess,
534
00:30:25,578 --> 00:30:28,205
Iced tea all over the
place, like cups and stuff
535
00:30:28,205 --> 00:30:30,333
in the sink, it was pretty flop housey,
536
00:30:30,333 --> 00:30:32,084
like a community art studio.
537
00:30:32,084 --> 00:30:34,837
It was like the most fucked
up episode of Friends,
538
00:30:34,837 --> 00:30:36,797
or Seinfeld that you've ever seen
539
00:30:36,797 --> 00:30:38,799
where like people were
just like in and out,
540
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:40,426
in and out, all night long.
541
00:30:40,426 --> 00:30:42,970
(upbeat music)
542
00:30:45,931 --> 00:30:50,853
Originally, it was me, and Teddy.
543
00:30:52,605 --> 00:30:54,982
I knew Ryan from high school.
544
00:30:55,149 --> 00:30:57,068
I moved into the city at the end of '97
545
00:30:57,068 --> 00:30:59,612
and then Ryan and I moved
together in December
546
00:30:59,612 --> 00:31:01,489
of '98 and that's when all these guys
547
00:31:01,489 --> 00:31:04,492
started washing up on our doorstep.
548
00:31:04,492 --> 00:31:06,744
That was the beginning of it all.
549
00:31:06,744 --> 00:31:09,997
7th Street was our clubhouse.
550
00:31:10,164 --> 00:31:14,460
And then it became me, and Teddy and Dan.
551
00:31:14,627 --> 00:31:16,003
When I think of 7th street,
552
00:31:16,003 --> 00:31:18,255
I really think of like a bunch of people
553
00:31:18,255 --> 00:31:20,091
piled on a bed.
554
00:31:20,091 --> 00:31:22,510
And then Dash moved in for a little bit.
555
00:31:22,510 --> 00:31:24,470
So it was me and Teddy and Dan and Dash.
556
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:25,763
You'd be on the bed with six people
557
00:31:25,763 --> 00:31:27,264
or you'd take a break
and you'd be on the bed
558
00:31:27,264 --> 00:31:28,265
with one person,
559
00:31:28,265 --> 00:31:32,019
all on a very kind of intimate level.
560
00:31:32,019 --> 00:31:34,271
So I would go over to 7th street
561
00:31:34,271 --> 00:31:36,524
and there'd just be like coke on the table
562
00:31:36,524 --> 00:31:38,901
and everybody is ripping and roaring
563
00:31:38,901 --> 00:31:41,237
and nobody wants to
photograph a bunch of guys
564
00:31:41,237 --> 00:31:43,406
smoking weed, you know, that's boring.
565
00:31:43,406 --> 00:31:47,868
So let's give Dan Colen some
dust and see what happens,
566
00:31:47,868 --> 00:31:50,538
this big floppy motherfucker.
567
00:31:50,538 --> 00:31:52,623
I was really out of that
crew, the only person
568
00:31:52,623 --> 00:31:54,166
with a studio practice.
569
00:31:54,166 --> 00:31:55,793
I would come back at
the middle of the night,
570
00:31:55,793 --> 00:31:57,670
they would all be making
stuff all the time,
571
00:31:57,670 --> 00:31:59,130
their practice, their work happened
572
00:31:59,130 --> 00:32:01,298
amongst people.
573
00:32:01,298 --> 00:32:04,927
At the time Dash was married to the artist
574
00:32:04,927 --> 00:32:06,137
Agathe Snow,
575
00:32:06,554 --> 00:32:09,682
they were the first people
to let me into their
576
00:32:09,682 --> 00:32:13,144
love affair, it was so cool
to have these two people
577
00:32:13,144 --> 00:32:15,396
that were so comfortable
in front of the camera
578
00:32:15,396 --> 00:32:17,815
and I got to photograph their relationship
579
00:32:17,815 --> 00:32:19,442
for years.
580
00:32:19,442 --> 00:32:20,943
You know, the 7th street crib,
581
00:32:20,943 --> 00:32:22,570
that's what that was,
people used to be scared
582
00:32:22,570 --> 00:32:25,948
to come after hours, you
guys do a lot of drugs there.
583
00:32:25,948 --> 00:32:27,908
But we were also doing a lot of creating,
584
00:32:27,908 --> 00:32:30,828
that was the launch pad of Ryan's career.
585
00:32:30,828 --> 00:32:34,707
Dan Colen's career, Dash Snow's career.
586
00:32:35,082 --> 00:32:38,461
He brought me to the basement of La Poem,
587
00:32:38,461 --> 00:32:41,338
which was his wife's mother's restaurant
588
00:32:41,338 --> 00:32:43,716
and he pulled out from the shadows
589
00:32:43,716 --> 00:32:45,718
this box of Polaroids
590
00:32:45,718 --> 00:32:48,804
and he just showed me
thousands of Polaroids.
591
00:32:48,971 --> 00:32:51,223
Dash only shot Polaroids.
592
00:32:54,852 --> 00:32:57,605
Yo, Craig, what do you think,
593
00:32:57,771 --> 00:32:58,981
this shit is ending,
594
00:32:58,981 --> 00:33:01,066
it's always easy for it to turn diagonal
595
00:33:01,066 --> 00:33:02,735
and it's totally not straight,
596
00:33:02,735 --> 00:33:04,069
should I just restart?
597
00:33:04,069 --> 00:33:04,945
Yeah.
598
00:33:04,945 --> 00:33:06,238
You need help man?
599
00:33:06,238 --> 00:33:09,325
Want me to hold it and then you could--
600
00:33:09,325 --> 00:33:12,495
I guess, I don't know what the fuck.
601
00:33:29,094 --> 00:33:33,516
And then I have some
cool Polaroids of Dash's,
602
00:33:33,516 --> 00:33:36,727
I think they're all in this portfolio.
603
00:33:37,895 --> 00:33:40,356
Oh this is an unpleasant one,
604
00:33:40,356 --> 00:33:45,236
but this is Kent and probably
Agathe passed out-ish.
605
00:33:45,778 --> 00:33:49,031
Nice composition of bodies.
606
00:33:49,031 --> 00:33:51,784
(paper rustling)
607
00:33:56,121 --> 00:34:00,543
Just Kunle tagging a police
barricade in a wheelchair.
608
00:34:00,709 --> 00:34:03,295
Some of his best photos involve Kunle,
609
00:34:03,295 --> 00:34:06,924
I feel like you could say he was a muse.
610
00:34:06,924 --> 00:34:08,926
Like I said, Kunle.
611
00:34:10,427 --> 00:34:14,473
This is a nice... brotherly love photo.
612
00:34:14,932 --> 00:34:16,934
(laughing)
613
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,353
You know, a lot of the Polaroids,
614
00:34:19,353 --> 00:34:21,855
even though they look
like accidental moments
615
00:34:21,855 --> 00:34:23,566
are really staged moments
616
00:34:23,566 --> 00:34:25,109
and people wanted to be manipulated
617
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:28,821
by him because he was so
magnetic and they wanted
618
00:34:28,821 --> 00:34:31,115
to spend the evening with
him, you know what I mean?
619
00:34:31,115 --> 00:34:35,119
So he had this sway, it's
like a natural ability
620
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:37,496
to direct humans.
621
00:34:38,205 --> 00:34:41,375
There's one absolutely remarkable image,
622
00:34:41,375 --> 00:34:44,503
it's somebody snorting coke
623
00:34:44,503 --> 00:34:48,340
off of Earsnot's erect male member.
624
00:34:48,966 --> 00:34:51,260
Everybody was in it together.
625
00:34:51,260 --> 00:34:54,221
Nobody felt exploited
or anything like that,
626
00:34:54,221 --> 00:34:58,267
it was like I can't even
match what this guy is doing,
627
00:34:58,267 --> 00:35:01,395
so what's the big deal if I get naked?
628
00:35:01,395 --> 00:35:04,023
This guy is doing coke
off of this guy's dick
629
00:35:04,023 --> 00:35:06,650
and I'm worried about getting naked.
630
00:35:06,650 --> 00:35:10,154
We were like, all right,
photograph my dick.
631
00:35:10,154 --> 00:35:13,490
So there was a real
freedom within all of that.
632
00:35:16,285 --> 00:35:17,995
(paper rustling)
This is a nice one.
633
00:35:17,995 --> 00:35:21,248
This is my friend Ry, he
has some panties on his face
634
00:35:21,248 --> 00:35:23,417
and he's going through the purse of a lady
635
00:35:23,417 --> 00:35:27,171
whose T-shirt says "Jesus loves you."
636
00:35:27,171 --> 00:35:31,925
She's sleeping and her
purse is being explored.
637
00:35:33,761 --> 00:35:36,430
I mean it's partially
just being very young
638
00:35:36,430 --> 00:35:38,807
and just reckless and you
feel like you could live
639
00:35:38,807 --> 00:35:41,393
forever and this and that
but I think also with him
640
00:35:41,393 --> 00:35:43,771
it just seemed like he'd really push it.
641
00:35:48,192 --> 00:35:50,319
It's those moments when
you have all the players
642
00:35:50,319 --> 00:35:52,946
and all the characters, and all
the attitude, and all the drugs,
643
00:35:52,946 --> 00:35:54,948
and here's the streets,
and here's your stage
644
00:35:54,948 --> 00:35:56,909
and the door opens up
and it's like somebody
645
00:35:56,909 --> 00:35:58,827
is gonna die tonight.
646
00:35:58,827 --> 00:36:02,206
He's lighting Christmas trees on fire,
647
00:36:02,206 --> 00:36:03,832
and then a car catching fire,
648
00:36:03,832 --> 00:36:05,918
he's a little pyromaniac.
649
00:36:07,294 --> 00:36:10,214
I remember him throwing
cans into a fire once
650
00:36:10,214 --> 00:36:11,965
and then exploding.
651
00:36:11,965 --> 00:36:15,594
This is what happens when
flames meet aerosol cans.
652
00:36:32,194 --> 00:36:33,112
Yeah, okay.
653
00:36:33,112 --> 00:36:35,698
Not really. Like,
imagine being burned.
654
00:36:35,698 --> 00:36:39,368
You know, he didn't have
any sort of fear of heights,
655
00:36:39,368 --> 00:36:42,246
I have a picture of us
where he's got one foot
656
00:36:42,246 --> 00:36:44,248
on the outside of the building,
657
00:36:44,248 --> 00:36:45,499
the whole rest of his body
658
00:36:45,499 --> 00:36:48,001
is suspended out, I'm
just holding his hand
659
00:36:48,001 --> 00:36:51,255
five stories up or something like that.
660
00:36:52,881 --> 00:36:56,385
Dash was a very agile and
peculiar, special climber,
661
00:36:56,552 --> 00:36:58,762
he could move in a way that
you can't really compare him
662
00:36:58,762 --> 00:37:01,223
to anyone else.
Really graceful.
663
00:37:01,390 --> 00:37:03,016
He had smaller feet than I did,
664
00:37:03,016 --> 00:37:04,268
so he would run out on ledges
665
00:37:04,268 --> 00:37:05,644
without a care in the world
666
00:37:05,644 --> 00:37:09,148
and I was super-afraid
of him dying or something
667
00:37:09,148 --> 00:37:12,401
or falling, like it made
it more worth it for him
668
00:37:12,401 --> 00:37:15,529
if he could almost die doing it.
669
00:37:15,529 --> 00:37:18,031
It felt like you almost
just were like fuck it,
670
00:37:18,198 --> 00:37:20,242
like every night, you went
out, you almost felt like
671
00:37:20,242 --> 00:37:21,660
you could die.
672
00:37:21,660 --> 00:37:24,872
I mean there's definitely
an air of daredevil-ism,
673
00:37:24,872 --> 00:37:27,291
I guess trying to do the
most outrageous thing,
674
00:37:27,291 --> 00:37:29,668
like paint the busiest place.
675
00:37:35,424 --> 00:37:37,926
Yeah, some guy did that.
676
00:37:37,926 --> 00:37:39,678
I've seen pictures, it's crazy.
677
00:37:39,678 --> 00:37:40,929
No, it's cool.
678
00:37:41,096 --> 00:37:43,265
I've got a picture of it in my house.
679
00:37:45,058 --> 00:37:47,686
I mean everyone hated
Giuliani at that time.
680
00:37:48,020 --> 00:37:50,939
CPR corrupt, prejudiced racists!
681
00:37:51,106 --> 00:37:53,317
No person in the city,
especially if you are of color
682
00:37:53,484 --> 00:37:55,569
should have to worry when
their children go out
683
00:37:55,569 --> 00:37:57,821
so that they may not be able to come back.
684
00:37:57,988 --> 00:37:59,907
No justice, no peace!
685
00:38:00,157 --> 00:38:02,326
No justice, no peace!
686
00:38:03,827 --> 00:38:06,330
What do you think of Rudy Giuliani?
687
00:38:06,830 --> 00:38:07,706
I mean...
688
00:38:10,334 --> 00:38:11,710
Stupid.
689
00:38:11,710 --> 00:38:13,712
Everyone is going getting
arrested for graffiti,
690
00:38:13,712 --> 00:38:14,797
possession.
691
00:38:14,797 --> 00:38:17,216
I'm on 6th Avenue and Prince Street,
692
00:38:17,216 --> 00:38:19,551
and whatever, and they
pull me for no reason,
693
00:38:19,551 --> 00:38:22,346
and I had a marker in my pocket,
694
00:38:22,346 --> 00:38:24,556
so it's possession of graffiti instrument
695
00:38:24,556 --> 00:38:26,099
with intent to do it.
696
00:38:26,099 --> 00:38:27,976
So you'd do a night at central booking,
697
00:38:27,976 --> 00:38:29,812
and I have to say, to be honest,
698
00:38:29,812 --> 00:38:31,104
I'm not racist at all, but I'm white
699
00:38:31,104 --> 00:38:32,105
and it helps.
700
00:38:32,272 --> 00:38:34,942
I swear, with every aspect of things.
701
00:38:35,108 --> 00:38:36,610
When they started shutting
down the parks at dusk,
702
00:38:36,610 --> 00:38:39,571
where people kind of
gather at these places,
703
00:38:39,571 --> 00:38:42,574
that kind of became like
the enemy in a weird way
704
00:38:42,574 --> 00:38:45,077
of the quality of life
moment in New York City.
705
00:38:45,077 --> 00:38:47,579
So, him and Kunle, and
the rest of the IRAK kids,
706
00:38:47,579 --> 00:38:50,749
slammed New York City
and especially like Dash.
707
00:38:50,749 --> 00:38:53,502
(upbeat music)
708
00:38:53,502 --> 00:38:55,629
He hit the fucking Brooklyn Bridge.
709
00:38:55,629 --> 00:38:58,632
That's forget about it, right there.
710
00:38:59,591 --> 00:39:01,134
Legalize graffiti.
711
00:39:01,134 --> 00:39:04,221
Dude, it won't happen though,
this never would happen.
712
00:39:04,221 --> 00:39:07,891
That would be like the
worst thing ever, oh my God.
713
00:39:07,891 --> 00:39:10,727
Because then I'd have to
start doing some move--
714
00:39:10,727 --> 00:39:12,271
Then we'd have to go to art school.
715
00:39:12,271 --> 00:39:13,397
Yeah, right?
716
00:39:14,481 --> 00:39:16,024
Yo, Ben, KS.
717
00:39:17,860 --> 00:39:18,777
Yeah, I don't know.
718
00:39:18,777 --> 00:39:20,904
This guy always wanted to paint
the fucking Brooklyn Bridge
719
00:39:21,071 --> 00:39:23,532
because that's an insane
thing that only one person
720
00:39:23,532 --> 00:39:26,493
had ever done before and it's a landmark,
721
00:39:26,493 --> 00:39:29,663
and it's dangerous, disrespectful,
722
00:39:29,663 --> 00:39:31,999
it's the fucking Brooklyn Bridge.
723
00:39:31,999 --> 00:39:34,751
(upbeat music)
724
00:39:34,918 --> 00:39:36,670
The cars are underneath
you so there's bars
725
00:39:36,670 --> 00:39:38,422
that go across to the ledge,
726
00:39:38,422 --> 00:39:41,925
and you just run across the
bar and then he jumped up
727
00:39:41,925 --> 00:39:43,802
there and painted, "Fuck Giuliani",
728
00:39:43,802 --> 00:39:45,554
and he probably had to
look up how to spell
729
00:39:45,554 --> 00:39:46,930
Giuliani's name.
730
00:39:46,930 --> 00:39:49,433
Dash just went up there,
took off all his clothes,
731
00:39:49,433 --> 00:39:51,143
facing the water, he's like yeah.
732
00:39:51,143 --> 00:39:53,437
Whatever, it would have
been so nice to jump off
733
00:39:53,437 --> 00:39:55,772
into the water if you
wouldn't die, you know?
734
00:39:55,772 --> 00:39:57,691
We went to party after that, we went to
735
00:39:57,691 --> 00:39:59,902
Cherry Tavern or something
and stayed up all night.
736
00:39:59,902 --> 00:40:01,820
We were telling people to look at it,
737
00:40:01,820 --> 00:40:04,448
joggers and they're just
like, leave me alone.
738
00:40:04,448 --> 00:40:06,199
What are you talking
about, because we thought
739
00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:07,451
it was so cool.
740
00:40:08,035 --> 00:40:10,037
(upbeat music)
741
00:40:10,203 --> 00:40:12,331
Shit, I don't know how I would feel now
742
00:40:12,331 --> 00:40:14,833
as a 37-year-old man
if there's some fucking
743
00:40:14,833 --> 00:40:16,960
asshole defacing the bridge
744
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,962
and I had no insider knowledge,
745
00:40:18,962 --> 00:40:21,423
but at the time, it was pretty glorious,
746
00:40:21,423 --> 00:40:23,800
it was a really fucking
fantastic, amazing,
747
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,594
legendary thing to do.
748
00:40:26,970 --> 00:40:28,472
(laughing)
749
00:40:28,472 --> 00:40:29,348
Glorious.
750
00:40:29,514 --> 00:40:33,977
Plus also, because you
know, Giuliani is such a--
751
00:40:34,603 --> 00:40:36,730
Yeah, such a fucking dick.
752
00:41:30,409 --> 00:41:33,745
(police sirens blaring)
753
00:41:34,663 --> 00:41:37,666
(people chattering)
754
00:41:37,666 --> 00:41:39,751
- I've never seen anything like this,
755
00:41:39,918 --> 00:41:42,504
you'd see movies, but they
said they were movies,
756
00:41:42,504 --> 00:41:45,298
but this, did you know there
were people jumping off?
757
00:41:45,298 --> 00:41:46,633
That's what I heard.
758
00:41:46,633 --> 00:41:49,136
And the guy said he saw six of them jump,
759
00:41:49,136 --> 00:41:50,804
one after the other.
760
00:42:08,655 --> 00:42:10,949
(screaming)
761
00:42:36,725 --> 00:42:37,976
What are you gonna do?
762
00:42:37,976 --> 00:42:39,186
Michael!
763
00:42:40,228 --> 00:42:42,481
- Go east!
- I'm not going in this building,
764
00:42:43,482 --> 00:42:45,358
Go east, go right
765
00:42:46,193 --> 00:42:46,985
Go to the river
766
00:42:50,072 --> 00:42:51,740
Everything is falling down
767
00:42:54,367 --> 00:42:55,952
They all went this way.
768
00:43:07,756 --> 00:43:11,218
My generation, the formative experience,
769
00:43:11,384 --> 00:43:14,721
the shock that changed our world view
770
00:43:14,721 --> 00:43:20,352
was the Kennedy
assassination and for people
771
00:43:20,644 --> 00:43:24,397
Dash's age who were in
New York City
772
00:43:24,898 --> 00:43:28,902
during 9/11, that was cataclysmic.
773
00:43:28,902 --> 00:43:31,655
(sirens blaring)
774
00:43:37,661 --> 00:43:41,915
Downtown was basically a war zone,
775
00:43:41,915 --> 00:43:45,252
and from Houston street downward,
776
00:43:45,252 --> 00:43:50,048
it was just blocked off, it was toxic,
777
00:43:50,048 --> 00:43:54,302
and this cloud remained for weeks and...
778
00:43:55,053 --> 00:43:58,682
every sensitive person was affected.
779
00:43:59,015 --> 00:44:02,435
A lot of people saw the twin towers,
780
00:44:02,435 --> 00:44:05,188
not just saw on TV, but
saw it and maybe even
781
00:44:05,188 --> 00:44:07,149
found themselves running from it
782
00:44:07,315 --> 00:44:09,818
if you lived in lower Manhattan.
783
00:44:11,069 --> 00:44:13,405
And of course that had
a very profound impact
784
00:44:13,405 --> 00:44:16,283
on the art of Dash and his friends,
785
00:44:16,283 --> 00:44:19,286
the love of detritus, of garbage,
786
00:44:19,286 --> 00:44:24,291
of ruins, those things
would exist apart from 9/11.
787
00:44:24,833 --> 00:44:29,838
But given that fact, they have
another connotation as well,
788
00:44:29,838 --> 00:44:32,841
something thrilling about
man as an apocalypse
789
00:44:33,008 --> 00:44:35,594
would come across in their work.
790
00:44:39,181 --> 00:44:41,975
After the towers had fallen,
791
00:44:41,975 --> 00:44:44,227
we all went down on our BMX bikes
792
00:44:44,227 --> 00:44:46,563
and we wanted to see what was going on
793
00:44:46,563 --> 00:44:48,982
and just see what we could do.
794
00:44:48,982 --> 00:44:52,569
Everything sort of felt
like this photograph to me.
795
00:44:54,863 --> 00:44:58,325
Actually I was in jail overnight,
796
00:44:58,325 --> 00:44:59,743
but I remember being in bookings
797
00:44:59,743 --> 00:45:01,077
and the towers having gone done,
798
00:45:01,244 --> 00:45:02,996
and the CO is coming and being like,
799
00:45:02,996 --> 00:45:04,497
"Oh the country's at war.
800
00:45:04,497 --> 00:45:07,125
You're all in here indefinitely."
801
00:45:07,751 --> 00:45:09,878
I remember coming out
and it felt different,
802
00:45:09,878 --> 00:45:13,590
it felt like you had
descended into the catacombs.
803
00:45:13,590 --> 00:45:17,093
I have no idea if that
moment in time marked
804
00:45:17,093 --> 00:45:19,262
something for our personal psychologies
805
00:45:19,262 --> 00:45:20,513
or you know,
806
00:45:20,513 --> 00:45:22,849
us as a group, but we always
lived in sort of a space
807
00:45:23,016 --> 00:45:25,101
that felt disastrous.
808
00:45:25,101 --> 00:45:28,355
Like we were living at
the end of the world.
809
00:45:29,022 --> 00:45:31,274
(solemn music)
810
00:45:31,524 --> 00:45:34,110
The paper, I think both of us were shocked
811
00:45:34,110 --> 00:45:36,112
by how paper survived.
812
00:45:36,112 --> 00:45:38,281
We were totally abandoned
there for a while,
813
00:45:38,448 --> 00:45:42,494
but what happened was the
eye of the world came there.
814
00:45:42,786 --> 00:45:44,871
And New York starts changing after that,
815
00:45:44,871 --> 00:45:46,248
there's American flags everywhere
816
00:45:46,248 --> 00:45:47,916
and then it becomes America.
817
00:45:47,916 --> 00:45:51,670
20 blocks below 14th street,
nobody wanted to be into,
818
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:55,048
three years after 9/11 and
it becomes the one place
819
00:45:55,215 --> 00:45:57,133
that everyone wants to be at.
820
00:45:57,300 --> 00:45:59,678
♪ Through the perilous fight ♪
821
00:45:59,678 --> 00:46:04,683
♪ O'er the ramparts we watched
were so gallantly streaming ♪
822
00:46:05,934 --> 00:46:09,062
(tender guitar music)
823
00:46:11,940 --> 00:46:15,277
(train tracks rumbling)
824
00:46:58,945 --> 00:47:01,323
The world is coming to an end one day
825
00:47:01,489 --> 00:47:03,450
and we all got to stay
strong because this is God
826
00:47:03,450 --> 00:47:05,076
sending a message to the world,
827
00:47:05,076 --> 00:47:07,203
now we got to stick together
and help one another,
828
00:47:07,370 --> 00:47:08,246
ain't that funny?
829
00:47:08,413 --> 00:47:10,373
My name's Steve, yo.
830
00:47:11,458 --> 00:47:14,002
(upbeat music)
831
00:47:19,841 --> 00:47:22,260
Around 9/11 when we were all together
832
00:47:22,260 --> 00:47:24,387
and in that bubble, when the outside world
833
00:47:24,387 --> 00:47:26,639
was just crumbling, all we
could do is party anyways,
834
00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:28,641
and create this amazing family
and I felt it was so much
835
00:47:28,641 --> 00:47:32,479
like the Great Depression
but it was kind of a moral
836
00:47:32,479 --> 00:47:35,857
depression, my security was these people.
837
00:47:35,857 --> 00:47:38,401
(upbeat music)
838
00:47:41,237 --> 00:47:43,990
Like 365 people came that day,
839
00:47:44,157 --> 00:47:45,784
it's a lot of people and at the same time,
840
00:47:45,784 --> 00:47:47,911
I'm just like, every
single one of these people
841
00:47:47,911 --> 00:47:49,245
has a reason to keep moving.
842
00:47:49,245 --> 00:47:51,164
I mean that's the thing,
what keeps you moving,
843
00:47:51,331 --> 00:47:53,291
you know, what moves you?
844
00:47:53,792 --> 00:47:56,795
Things that last, like
what lasts of everything?
845
00:47:56,795 --> 00:47:58,797
It's that community, there's
nothing more powerful
846
00:47:58,797 --> 00:48:00,048
than community.
847
00:48:01,007 --> 00:48:03,551
(upbeat music)
848
00:48:05,637 --> 00:48:07,806
(guitar music and singing)
849
00:48:55,937 --> 00:48:57,230
Where are you guys walking?
850
00:48:57,397 --> 00:48:58,982
I'm walking to A-life.
851
00:48:59,607 --> 00:49:02,235
I'm walking to West Broadway.
852
00:49:03,486 --> 00:49:05,572
I was taking pictures for a long time
853
00:49:05,572 --> 00:49:07,073
before I show anybody, you know,
854
00:49:07,073 --> 00:49:08,366
like taking a lot of Polaroids
855
00:49:08,366 --> 00:49:10,326
I have boxes and boxes in my house.
856
00:49:10,326 --> 00:49:12,871
'Cause at the time it was
like illegal life, you know
857
00:49:12,871 --> 00:49:16,374
like stealing drugs for
money, all this shit, you know
858
00:49:16,374 --> 00:49:20,253
like not making any sort of a
legitimate funds or anything
859
00:49:20,253 --> 00:49:22,589
not living very good either.
860
00:49:23,631 --> 00:49:25,008
And a lot of people were saying
861
00:49:25,008 --> 00:49:26,134
you should show these pictures.
862
00:49:26,134 --> 00:49:27,469
You could sell them, blah, blah, blah.
863
00:49:27,469 --> 00:49:29,387
But for me it really felt like
864
00:49:29,387 --> 00:49:32,515
an impure gesture to
submit this to the world.
865
00:49:32,515 --> 00:49:33,892
Like this is not for anyone.
866
00:49:33,892 --> 00:49:34,726
This is for us.
867
00:49:34,726 --> 00:49:37,228
And it's too pure of a moment.
868
00:49:38,271 --> 00:49:40,231
It's hard to proclaim yourself, you know,
869
00:49:40,231 --> 00:49:43,485
something when you don't
necessarily understand who you are.
870
00:49:43,485 --> 00:49:46,279
Graffiti only touches upon art in a way.
871
00:49:46,279 --> 00:49:48,114
And it's sort of a dirty intersection
872
00:49:48,114 --> 00:49:50,992
but there was an Avenue C
apartment at some point in time.
873
00:49:51,159 --> 00:49:52,535
And that place was like the inside
874
00:49:52,702 --> 00:49:54,412
of his mind turned out.
875
00:50:04,005 --> 00:50:06,799
And you may have even been
there at some point in time.
876
00:50:06,966 --> 00:50:08,301
It was a little apartment.
877
00:50:08,301 --> 00:50:11,054
It had, I remember these
like little arched entryways.
878
00:50:18,186 --> 00:50:21,064
(guitar music and singing)
879
00:50:52,095 --> 00:50:54,097
The things that were on
his wall were predictive
880
00:50:54,264 --> 00:50:56,975
of what his work would actually become.
881
00:51:04,566 --> 00:51:07,819
I mean, you've seen Dan's recreation.
882
00:51:07,986 --> 00:51:09,862
That's where I started
being like, you know
883
00:51:09,862 --> 00:51:12,115
all this shit is like art, right?
884
00:51:12,282 --> 00:51:13,866
I mean, things would assemble, you know
885
00:51:14,033 --> 00:51:15,618
like literally sculptures
would come together
886
00:51:15,618 --> 00:51:16,869
and I was like, well
887
00:51:16,869 --> 00:51:18,871
I just don't know what
else to fucking call
888
00:51:18,871 --> 00:51:20,873
like a birdhouse that
you dragged to your house
889
00:51:20,873 --> 00:51:24,627
that you collected crab claws and put them
890
00:51:24,627 --> 00:51:27,380
arranged them around the
birdhouse as swastikas.
891
00:51:27,380 --> 00:51:29,632
It's just like, that's a sculpture.
892
00:51:31,092 --> 00:51:33,386
I was going to call that
the heartbreak hotel
893
00:51:33,553 --> 00:51:35,597
and then I was going to
call it the sugar shack.
894
00:51:35,597 --> 00:51:38,016
And then I settled for
a pretty crazy name,
895
00:51:38,016 --> 00:51:40,602
but it's called "I can't
even imagine the moment
896
00:51:40,602 --> 00:51:44,022
"the white men land and
they fall into nothingness."
897
00:51:47,525 --> 00:51:49,027
It's interesting, I think, like I said,
898
00:51:49,193 --> 00:51:53,031
in collecting all of this
ephemera and items, you know,
899
00:51:53,031 --> 00:51:56,784
that it helped him to define himself
900
00:51:56,784 --> 00:51:59,912
more so, you know, or create
a persona that he felt more
901
00:51:59,912 --> 00:52:02,665
comfortable with or more at home with then
902
00:52:02,665 --> 00:52:05,877
you know, SACL, you know,
graffiti writing Dash.
903
00:52:06,044 --> 00:52:07,670
It was like 50 bucks,
I was like 40
904
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:08,796
He's like deal.
905
00:52:08,796 --> 00:52:10,298
He's like, he's like,
"You're making a movie?"
906
00:52:10,298 --> 00:52:11,132
"Is that a prop?"
907
00:52:11,299 --> 00:52:12,884
I was like hell yeah.
908
00:52:12,884 --> 00:52:14,677
Did you walk down 6th Avenue with that
909
00:52:14,677 --> 00:52:16,179
like on your shoulder?
910
00:52:16,179 --> 00:52:19,307
He gave me a garbage bag
and I did walk down 6th ave.
911
00:52:21,392 --> 00:52:23,936
Dash's first show was at Rivington Arms
912
00:52:23,936 --> 00:52:26,689
And they gave him the
space and he filled it up.
913
00:52:26,856 --> 00:52:29,025
He put the disgusting couch in it.
914
00:52:29,025 --> 00:52:30,943
These are all Dash Snow's things?
915
00:52:30,943 --> 00:52:31,778
Yes.
916
00:52:32,445 --> 00:52:35,323
This leather, just like the grossest,
917
00:52:35,490 --> 00:52:38,451
like middle America, dad couch,
918
00:52:38,451 --> 00:52:41,454
or like something that
was easily cleanable
919
00:52:41,454 --> 00:52:44,040
with like a rag of some sort.
920
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,085
And there was this guy named
Papa Smurf, who was always
921
00:52:47,251 --> 00:52:48,586
around the Lower Fast Side.
922
00:52:48,586 --> 00:52:52,340
You should get a job
making people nervous.
923
00:52:52,340 --> 00:52:54,342
Hey Cheryl, this is Papa Smurf.
924
00:52:54,342 --> 00:52:55,927
- My man.
- Papa Smurf.
925
00:52:55,927 --> 00:52:57,845
Hi, how are you?
926
00:52:57,845 --> 00:52:58,680
Cheryl.
927
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,934
And he invited Papa Smurf
to the opening to sit
928
00:53:02,934 --> 00:53:03,976
on the couch.
929
00:53:04,602 --> 00:53:07,689
I think the gallerists were like appalled.
930
00:53:29,001 --> 00:53:30,878
Does he live around here?
931
00:53:33,715 --> 00:53:36,592
(Papa Smurf singing)
932
00:53:38,636 --> 00:53:42,098
But that was like, all my
photos since I was 16 years old,
933
00:53:42,098 --> 00:53:44,016
narrowed it down to that.
934
00:53:44,183 --> 00:53:48,354
♪ It may be too late
for me to say goodbye ♪
935
00:53:48,354 --> 00:53:52,650
♪ And it may be too late to
watch this sick, old city die ♪
936
00:53:52,650 --> 00:53:54,902
♪ Going on the road ♪
937
00:53:54,902 --> 00:53:57,613
♪ Yeah, I'm going to try to say ♪
938
00:53:57,613 --> 00:54:02,034
♪ Sick City so
long, goodbye and die ♪
939
00:54:12,128 --> 00:54:15,131
(people chattering)
940
00:54:30,313 --> 00:54:31,939
I always thought that these zines
941
00:54:31,939 --> 00:54:35,193
were actually the most
complete expression of his work
942
00:54:35,193 --> 00:54:38,946
in a way, that it was
most suited to book format
943
00:54:38,946 --> 00:54:41,032
which is strange because a lot of his time
944
00:54:41,199 --> 00:54:43,701
was spent pulling things
out of books effectively
945
00:54:43,701 --> 00:54:46,954
or out of magazines and out of the papers.
946
00:54:46,954 --> 00:54:49,040
He would always make a copy
947
00:54:49,207 --> 00:54:52,084
and he'd find me and bring it to me.
948
00:54:53,711 --> 00:54:56,839
My mind has finally
accepted that it's right.
949
00:54:57,006 --> 00:54:58,090
Volume one.
950
00:54:58,591 --> 00:55:01,844
And I can't remember what
sequence these came in.
951
00:55:03,471 --> 00:55:05,973
I think the imperative of art is, well
952
00:55:05,973 --> 00:55:08,309
John Baldessari would say
it's not to be boring
953
00:55:08,476 --> 00:55:11,938
but it is to change our view of the world.
954
00:55:11,938 --> 00:55:16,692
And you're not going to do
that without troubling people.
955
00:55:18,820 --> 00:55:23,199
I think for those like
Dan and Nate and Ryan
956
00:55:23,366 --> 00:55:24,742
who had formal training,
957
00:55:24,742 --> 00:55:26,702
I think that the punk aspect
958
00:55:26,702 --> 00:55:30,832
of what Dash brought to
the table in that he,
959
00:55:30,998 --> 00:55:33,125
he didn't have any of that background.
960
00:55:33,125 --> 00:55:36,254
And he didn't know what he was doing and
961
00:55:36,254 --> 00:55:39,340
or maintained that he
didn't know what he doing.
962
00:55:39,507 --> 00:55:41,467
And he maintained that he
didn't give a fuck either.
963
00:55:41,634 --> 00:55:45,388
So that was a good sort of
chemistry for those other guys
964
00:55:45,388 --> 00:55:48,015
who literally just come
out of school essentially,
965
00:55:48,015 --> 00:55:50,476
and were steeped in all this sort of art
966
00:55:50,643 --> 00:55:53,729
historical knowledge and
practice and all the rest of it.
967
00:55:53,896 --> 00:55:55,398
And there was Dash saying,
968
00:55:55,398 --> 00:55:57,149
"Fuck it, you don't have to do that."
969
00:55:57,149 --> 00:55:59,777
"You can be an artist
and roam the streets."
970
00:55:59,944 --> 00:56:02,655
That was what I think we don't have now.
971
00:56:02,655 --> 00:56:07,535
There was a very sort of
feral way of roving in packs,
972
00:56:07,535 --> 00:56:09,912
and discovering things
and discovering the city
973
00:56:09,912 --> 00:56:13,124
and finding new ways to cause trouble.
974
00:56:14,917 --> 00:56:16,252
Are you nervous?
975
00:56:16,502 --> 00:56:19,881
Not nervous, but we are
going to get a lot of people.
976
00:56:20,673 --> 00:56:25,136
Art is generally collected by people
977
00:56:25,553 --> 00:56:28,180
who have followed the rules,
978
00:56:28,180 --> 00:56:32,184
and they have relatively
conventional lives.
979
00:56:32,184 --> 00:56:36,439
But a number of them really
wish that they could be
980
00:56:36,439 --> 00:56:39,650
like Jean-Michel Basquiat or Dash
981
00:56:39,817 --> 00:56:41,527
that they could let it all go,
982
00:56:41,694 --> 00:56:45,197
that they could drink
themselves into a stupor.
983
00:56:45,197 --> 00:56:46,824
They could get high.
984
00:56:46,824 --> 00:56:49,535
So collectors do like the idea
985
00:56:49,535 --> 00:56:54,081
of collecting the work of
misbehaving, bad boy artists.
986
00:56:57,084 --> 00:56:58,336
I just got here.
987
00:56:58,336 --> 00:57:00,046
- Really?
- An hour ago
988
00:57:00,046 --> 00:57:01,923
You've had a long journey, huh.
989
00:57:02,715 --> 00:57:04,842
Me and Dash traveled
like the world together.
990
00:57:05,009 --> 00:57:07,720
Strangely there's weird pressures put on
991
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:12,975
by the art world to be
crazy, to live outrageously,
992
00:57:12,975 --> 00:57:15,061
to do a lot of drugs.
993
00:57:15,061 --> 00:57:17,480
In somebody like Dash's case,
994
00:57:18,356 --> 00:57:21,192
you would show up in fucking Tokyo
995
00:57:21,192 --> 00:57:23,069
and there'd be cocaine waiting for you.
996
00:57:23,235 --> 00:57:25,112
And you'd go, "Well hey,
997
00:57:25,112 --> 00:57:26,864
"I thought this was like
really hard to get here
998
00:57:26,864 --> 00:57:27,990
"and like super illegal."
999
00:57:28,157 --> 00:57:29,867
And they'd be like, "I know."
1000
00:57:29,867 --> 00:57:31,243
They would be so into it.
1001
00:57:31,243 --> 00:57:33,371
You know, like we're going to get crazy.
1002
00:57:33,371 --> 00:57:36,248
And also these galleries would fly out
1003
00:57:36,248 --> 00:57:40,503
your whole entourage just
to make it more exciting.
1004
00:57:41,379 --> 00:57:42,588
What up, dude?
1005
00:57:43,881 --> 00:57:44,757
What's going on?
1006
00:57:44,757 --> 00:57:46,634
I'm just running into Nate right now.
1007
00:57:46,801 --> 00:57:48,386
But that's who you ended
up hanging out with.
1008
00:57:48,386 --> 00:57:49,220
You'd never really,
1009
00:57:49,387 --> 00:57:52,139
you didn't go to these art
dinners and spread out.
1010
00:57:52,139 --> 00:57:53,849
You still just stayed
in your little circle
1011
00:57:53,849 --> 00:57:56,018
and talk about this art dinner and,
1012
00:57:56,018 --> 00:57:57,395
"Hey, who has drugs?"
1013
00:57:57,561 --> 00:57:58,854
And that kind of a thing.
1014
00:57:59,021 --> 00:58:01,774
You know, that shit's
fun for a night or two,
1015
00:58:01,774 --> 00:58:06,529
but eventually you just feel
like you're being put on stage
1016
00:58:06,529 --> 00:58:08,406
and playing a part.
1017
00:58:12,660 --> 00:58:16,122
The bad boy thing is a disruptive thing,
1018
00:58:16,288 --> 00:58:18,040
blaming them for that behavior
1019
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,293
and that attitude is a little bit unfair.
1020
00:58:21,293 --> 00:58:23,379
If the fact that they
happened to be all white
1021
00:58:23,546 --> 00:58:26,298
and predominantly male is something
1022
00:58:26,298 --> 00:58:27,925
that wasn't their responsibility,
1023
00:58:28,092 --> 00:58:30,678
but it was probably the people like me
1024
00:58:30,845 --> 00:58:33,305
and curators who supported them.
1025
00:58:33,305 --> 00:58:36,684
I think we take responsibility for them.
1026
00:58:38,644 --> 00:58:41,188
You know, I remember
that New Yorker magazine
1027
00:58:41,188 --> 00:58:43,566
or New York magazine where
they were trying to follow
1028
00:58:43,566 --> 00:58:45,526
around Ryan, Dash and Dan.
1029
00:58:45,526 --> 00:58:47,403
And Dash hated that shit.
1030
00:58:47,570 --> 00:58:50,031
And he was avoiding it like the plague,
1031
00:58:50,031 --> 00:58:51,949
but of course in avoiding these things
1032
00:58:51,949 --> 00:58:53,826
they get to write whatever they want.
1033
00:58:53,993 --> 00:58:55,828
So, he was kind of screwed either way,
1034
00:58:55,828 --> 00:58:57,580
and they wrote whatever they wanted.
1035
00:58:57,580 --> 00:58:59,832
And Dash hated the article.
1036
00:59:07,715 --> 00:59:11,844
He didn't live for the
limelight, that's for sure.
1037
00:59:11,844 --> 00:59:14,221
Was it fun to be on the
cover of New York magazine
1038
00:59:14,221 --> 00:59:17,349
with Ryan and Dan in bed?
1039
00:59:17,516 --> 00:59:20,311
Maybe in a way, it's a cool cover.
1040
00:59:20,561 --> 00:59:22,730
And the story was horrible.
1041
00:59:23,105 --> 00:59:25,483
It created a distorted story
1042
00:59:25,649 --> 00:59:29,820
of this scion of a wealthy family
1043
00:59:29,820 --> 00:59:34,617
who was slumming in the art scene.
1044
00:59:35,951 --> 00:59:38,329
Suddenly he's propelled
to the front of the pack
1045
00:59:38,496 --> 00:59:39,997
in the art world.
1046
00:59:40,164 --> 00:59:41,999
You know, suddenly
getting all the accolades,
1047
00:59:42,166 --> 00:59:44,960
show at the Whitney, the auction results.
1048
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,380
His collaborators are
suddenly right there with him.
1049
00:59:49,256 --> 00:59:51,467
(people chattering)
1050
00:59:51,634 --> 00:59:53,010
You know, his mother is someone,
1051
00:59:53,177 --> 00:59:54,220
his grandmother is someone.
1052
00:59:54,386 --> 00:59:55,471
So what?
1053
00:59:55,638 --> 00:59:57,139
You know, I think Manet was,
1054
00:59:57,306 --> 01:00:00,643
his mother was the goddaughter
of the King of Sweden.
1055
01:00:00,976 --> 01:00:02,770
Do you not like Manet?
1056
01:00:02,770 --> 01:00:04,271
(laughing)
1057
01:00:04,438 --> 01:00:06,273
He was a rich kid, too.
1058
01:00:09,902 --> 01:00:12,488
All these people who didn't know him
1059
01:00:12,655 --> 01:00:15,866
have invented some false image
1060
01:00:15,866 --> 01:00:19,912
of sort of some pretentious trust fund kid
1061
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:22,414
who was playing being an artist.
1062
01:00:22,414 --> 01:00:26,127
It's something about Dash rebelling
1063
01:00:26,293 --> 01:00:29,171
against his rich art world family
1064
01:00:29,171 --> 01:00:32,383
by becoming a rich
artist, sort of backfired.
1065
01:00:32,550 --> 01:00:34,802
To be in the press was to
also be kind of connected
1066
01:00:34,802 --> 01:00:35,678
to his lineage.
1067
01:00:35,678 --> 01:00:37,555
And I think it was painful.
1068
01:00:37,721 --> 01:00:39,014
This was kind of the beginning
1069
01:00:39,181 --> 01:00:41,058
of the crew being brought
into the forefront.
1070
01:00:41,058 --> 01:00:44,061
Now this photo is in,
what is it the Whitney?
1071
01:00:44,061 --> 01:00:45,020
Permanent collection, right?
1072
01:00:45,187 --> 01:00:46,272
Yeah.
1073
01:00:46,272 --> 01:00:48,399
And I'd say, who would've knew?
1074
01:00:48,399 --> 01:00:51,152
Yeah, we are just a
bunch of fucking animals.
1075
01:00:51,318 --> 01:00:54,530
And I feel like they've gotten
obsessed because you know
1076
01:00:54,697 --> 01:00:58,075
these guys blew to meteoric proportions
1077
01:00:58,242 --> 01:00:59,827
in a short amount of time.
1078
01:00:59,827 --> 01:01:01,912
All of a sudden, no
one's writing about Dash.
1079
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:03,831
They're writing about some phenomenon
1080
01:01:03,831 --> 01:01:05,916
that Dash represents to them.
1081
01:01:06,083 --> 01:01:10,171
And it's like, he's like
lost in all the writing.
1082
01:01:10,171 --> 01:01:13,299
I think he thought that
that was a great quote.
1083
01:01:13,465 --> 01:01:15,092
That was a review of his work, right?
1084
01:01:15,259 --> 01:01:16,177
Yeah, yeah.
1085
01:01:16,343 --> 01:01:18,220
But I think he saw the humor in it.
1086
01:01:18,220 --> 01:01:21,849
I was there the day
that Dash made the film
1087
01:01:21,849 --> 01:01:25,728
of all the male hustlers
jerking off onto the lightbox
1088
01:01:25,728 --> 01:01:31,442
They gave the hustlers plenty
of drugs, plenty of magazines
1089
01:01:31,609 --> 01:01:35,070
and DVDs to watch to
get ready to jerk off.
1090
01:01:35,863 --> 01:01:38,866
Dash came to me at some
point through the day,
1091
01:01:38,866 --> 01:01:41,118
he goes, "I don't know what's
wrong with these guys."
1092
01:01:41,118 --> 01:01:42,995
"They're not professionals."
1093
01:01:42,995 --> 01:01:44,747
"None of them can work under pressure."
1094
01:01:44,914 --> 01:01:46,624
"Cause none of the guys could get hard,
1095
01:01:46,624 --> 01:01:48,584
because they had done too many drugs.
1096
01:01:48,751 --> 01:01:50,127
But Dash was really upset.
1097
01:01:50,127 --> 01:01:53,589
Like a director like, "I'm
working with amateurs."
1098
01:01:53,756 --> 01:01:54,757
I remember him saying.
1099
01:01:54,924 --> 01:01:56,008
It was great.
1100
01:01:57,635 --> 01:01:59,386
♪ Your city's a sucker ♪
1101
01:01:59,595 --> 01:02:01,388
♪ Your city's a sucker ♪
1102
01:02:02,264 --> 01:02:05,517
♪ Your city's a sucker ♪
1103
01:02:06,602 --> 01:02:08,145
One dollar, one dollar
1104
01:02:08,729 --> 01:02:09,772
(people chattering)
1105
01:02:09,772 --> 01:02:11,232
Fifty dollars
1106
01:02:11,523 --> 01:02:14,151
(voice of George W. Bush)
Our military at home and around the world
1107
01:02:14,318 --> 01:02:16,237
is on high alert status.
1108
01:02:16,403 --> 01:02:19,740
We will do whatever is
necessary to protect America.
1109
01:02:19,740 --> 01:02:22,868
We will show the world that
we will pass this test.
1110
01:02:23,035 --> 01:02:24,245
Cod bless.
1111
01:02:24,411 --> 01:02:26,538
I think we've just had
gone into Afghanistan.
1112
01:02:26,705 --> 01:02:28,874
The first thing that comes
back when the country
1113
01:02:29,041 --> 01:02:31,168
has been demolished is probably the drugs.
1114
01:02:31,168 --> 01:02:34,129
And I thought, okay, I
bet in like a year or two
1115
01:02:34,296 --> 01:02:37,675
it will be heroin because
that country produces it.
1116
01:02:37,675 --> 01:02:41,553
And about a year or two later,
everyone's doing heroin.
1117
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:43,430
I was always an uptown guy
1118
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:45,182
like C train all the way,
1119
01:02:45,182 --> 01:02:47,643
cocaine to the motherfucking brain.
1120
01:02:47,810 --> 01:02:50,020
But these guys were taking the D downtown
1121
01:02:50,187 --> 01:02:52,439
and I wasn't a dopey guy.
1122
01:02:52,439 --> 01:02:54,024
The Lower Last Side was, you know
1123
01:02:54,191 --> 01:02:55,150
Avenue A was fine.
1124
01:02:55,317 --> 01:02:57,820
B eh, C eh, D don't go there.
1125
01:02:58,195 --> 01:03:00,656
Like we used to go buy drugs on D.
1126
01:03:00,823 --> 01:03:02,324
We used to buy drugs on C at the bodega.
1127
01:03:02,491 --> 01:03:04,201
I used to buy cocaine in a
pet store on Clinton street.
1128
01:03:04,368 --> 01:03:06,537
I used to buy weed at a
juice bar on St. Mark's.
1129
01:03:06,704 --> 01:03:09,581
Laundromat, the laundromat
on ave. C sold dope.
1130
01:03:09,748 --> 01:03:10,708
Everyone hung out here
1131
01:03:10,708 --> 01:03:13,085
'cause there was, we just
went to the bars around here
1132
01:03:13,252 --> 01:03:15,713
you know, and everyone did coke
1133
01:03:16,547 --> 01:03:17,923
and everyone's just like hanging out
1134
01:03:18,090 --> 01:03:19,675
and drinking and doing coke.
1135
01:03:19,675 --> 01:03:22,428
And it was just like so normal and fun.
1136
01:03:22,594 --> 01:03:24,555
Imagine 15 dudes in a studio apartment
1137
01:03:24,722 --> 01:03:26,223
just doing coke in August.
1138
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:29,101
The party was real, you
know, like it didn't stop.
1139
01:03:29,101 --> 01:03:30,853
It was every night.
1140
01:03:30,853 --> 01:03:32,229
Every night, I mean, as far as I remember
1141
01:03:32,229 --> 01:03:34,940
it was every fucking night.
1142
01:03:35,107 --> 01:03:35,816
I mean, yeah.
1143
01:03:35,983 --> 01:03:37,735
IRAK's drug of choice was "more"
1144
01:03:37,735 --> 01:03:39,862
that was when the heroin started coming in
1145
01:03:39,862 --> 01:03:42,072
and then it became like, you know,
1146
01:03:42,072 --> 01:03:44,116
it got glorified in our crew.
1147
01:03:44,116 --> 01:03:46,952
Became like how coke was.
1148
01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:49,496
They were like hanging out
with like the heroin bags
1149
01:03:49,496 --> 01:03:51,749
and the bundles in their
mouths and all that shit.
1150
01:03:51,749 --> 01:03:53,625
And I was just like, this is terrible.
1151
01:03:53,625 --> 01:03:56,837
Like this is going nowhere good.
1152
01:03:57,755 --> 01:03:59,506
All the heroin didn't
come until they started
1153
01:03:59,506 --> 01:04:01,633
getting a little buzz to their name.
1154
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,721
I remember ID doing a
story on the IRAK crew
1155
01:04:05,721 --> 01:04:09,892
and Kenneth shooting it
for Mass Appeal, you know
1156
01:04:09,892 --> 01:04:10,851
and all these guys.
1157
01:04:11,018 --> 01:04:12,770
And Kunle being one of the 50
1158
01:04:12,936 --> 01:04:14,646
most beautiful people in Paper magazine,
1159
01:04:14,646 --> 01:04:16,273
like people get gassed.
1160
01:04:16,273 --> 01:04:18,233
But I also feel like
for someone like Dash,
1161
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,027
who didn't want the fucking attention,
1162
01:04:20,194 --> 01:04:22,780
he wanted to be like underground always.
1163
01:04:22,946 --> 01:04:24,281
(Dash speaking)
This shit is crazy.
1164
01:04:46,553 --> 01:04:49,014
That innocent, free
spirit that Ryan captured
1165
01:04:49,181 --> 01:04:51,392
in his photos was gone.
1166
01:04:51,558 --> 01:04:53,394
And it went dark.
1167
01:05:01,693 --> 01:05:05,280
We'd be hanging out at his place on Bowery
1168
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:06,573
when it was his studio,
1169
01:05:06,573 --> 01:05:10,828
and he would like roll
his sleeves up and go out.
1170
01:05:10,828 --> 01:05:15,833
Even though it was totally
obvious what was happening.
1171
01:05:15,999 --> 01:05:19,336
He didn't mind talking about doing drugs.
1172
01:05:20,546 --> 01:05:22,089
I'm already out of my mother's will.
1173
01:05:22,256 --> 01:05:24,842
I got nothing. I got no reputation
to keep up. You know what I mean?
1174
01:05:24,842 --> 01:05:27,219
But at the same time, I wasn't
really trying to show that.
1175
01:05:27,219 --> 01:05:28,095
And then I was like, look
1176
01:05:28,262 --> 01:05:29,096
if I'm going to show everyone else
1177
01:05:29,096 --> 01:05:32,349
I got to show myself too,
you know what I mean?
1178
01:05:32,516 --> 01:05:34,059
I'm not, I'm no shiny guy.
1179
01:05:34,226 --> 01:05:35,102
You know what I mean?
1180
01:05:35,269 --> 01:05:36,311
I'm not, it's rough.
1181
01:05:36,478 --> 01:05:39,231
And it's like, a lot of
people will see it and
1182
01:05:39,231 --> 01:05:41,358
or have seen shit and be like,
1183
01:05:41,358 --> 01:05:44,111
look at me fully differently
afterwards, but not, you know
1184
01:05:44,278 --> 01:05:45,362
that's what it is.
1185
01:05:45,362 --> 01:05:47,614
You know, I'm not trying to
be someone I'm not, you know
1186
01:05:47,614 --> 01:05:49,992
and that's what happened
and that's how it goes.
1187
01:05:49,992 --> 01:05:50,868
And...
1188
01:05:52,244 --> 01:05:54,830
you know, I'm not scared.
1189
01:05:54,830 --> 01:05:59,626
Well, I found a lot of
kids taken away from it.
1190
01:05:59,626 --> 01:06:02,463
I turned into a parent, I
turned it into a grandpa.
1191
01:06:02,463 --> 01:06:06,258
I turned it into something, you know
1192
01:06:06,425 --> 01:06:10,012
disapproving the behavior
because I saw, you know
1193
01:06:10,179 --> 01:06:12,014
so many people dying and stuff.
1194
01:06:12,014 --> 01:06:15,642
And I was, and I was saying,
"Hey, wait a minute."
1195
01:06:15,642 --> 01:06:17,895
You know, "This is
about self destruction."
1196
01:06:17,895 --> 01:06:22,858
You know, "This is not heroic."
1197
01:06:23,734 --> 01:06:28,030
I have to say, I have
no regrets in general,
1198
01:06:28,030 --> 01:06:31,158
but definitely been rough times.
1199
01:06:31,158 --> 01:06:32,034
You know, I'm not happy.
1200
01:06:32,034 --> 01:06:33,994
I wasn't happy for a long
time being where I was
1201
01:06:34,161 --> 01:06:37,122
and just if I like, I wanted
to make a point to say
1202
01:06:37,122 --> 01:06:39,416
that I'm not trying to glorify anything.
1203
01:06:39,416 --> 01:06:43,670
(Larry Clark) So I worshiped
you know, self-destructive behavior
1204
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:47,049
and made a lot of great work out of it
1205
01:06:47,049 --> 01:06:48,634
and so did Dash.
1206
01:06:49,676 --> 01:06:52,054
Like Larry's books, I have a few of them,
1207
01:06:52,054 --> 01:06:53,680
the ones I want are too much money.
1208
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:55,182
And like, they only made a few or whatever
1209
01:06:55,182 --> 01:06:57,392
but I've seen all of them and they're rad
1210
01:06:57,392 --> 01:06:58,519
and I'm sure he's not stoked
1211
01:06:58,519 --> 01:07:00,771
on some of those pictures
of himself, but he'd,
1212
01:07:00,938 --> 01:07:03,148
I'm sure at some point
he had the thought like,
1213
01:07:03,148 --> 01:07:05,150
you know what I mean, bite
the bullet or whatever,
1214
01:07:05,317 --> 01:07:06,568
like just do it, you know?
1215
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,197
And like embarrassment is whatever.
1216
01:07:10,197 --> 01:07:15,202
I'm not embarrassed about
anything I've done, you know?
1217
01:07:15,202 --> 01:07:17,829
Even when they were the most fucked up
1218
01:07:17,996 --> 01:07:22,042
they could be, they were
documenting it some way, you know.
1219
01:07:22,209 --> 01:07:23,168
(Larry Clark)
That's what I did.
1220
01:07:23,168 --> 01:07:24,962
No matter how fucked up I was,
1221
01:07:24,962 --> 01:07:26,547
no matter what I did in my life,
1222
01:07:26,713 --> 01:07:28,549
I always made work out of it.
1223
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:30,801
And I guess that's what I was saying
1224
01:07:30,801 --> 01:07:35,806
about kids worshiping this
self-destructive lifestyle.
1225
01:07:35,973 --> 01:07:37,474
I was the same way when I was a kid.
1226
01:07:37,474 --> 01:07:39,601
I mean, my heroes were junkies.
1227
01:07:39,601 --> 01:07:42,813
You know, my heros were, you
know, were heroin addicts.
1228
01:07:42,980 --> 01:07:44,565
You know, they say that
nobody wants to grow up
1229
01:07:44,731 --> 01:07:45,440
to be a junkie.
1230
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,109
Well, I did.
1231
01:07:47,276 --> 01:07:49,611
And if you have everything,
1232
01:07:49,611 --> 01:07:52,614
if you have everything that you want
1233
01:07:52,781 --> 01:07:54,741
and you can't get clean
1234
01:07:54,741 --> 01:07:59,371
then it'll kill you, you
know, or you'll kill yourself.
1235
01:08:01,623 --> 01:08:04,501
It says, "Dear Dave, I can't tell
1236
01:08:04,501 --> 01:08:08,755
"whether I love more you or this record."
1237
01:08:09,381 --> 01:08:10,507
Where did he send that?
1238
01:08:10,507 --> 01:08:11,842
He send it to you or brought it to you?
1239
01:08:11,842 --> 01:08:15,762
Yeah, it came with a pack of heroin.
1240
01:08:15,762 --> 01:08:18,890
And then when I told him
he was like, "Don't do it."
1241
01:08:18,890 --> 01:08:20,100
He's like, "Don't do it."
1242
01:08:20,100 --> 01:08:20,976
"Don't do it."
1243
01:08:20,976 --> 01:08:21,810
"I didn't mean to."
1244
01:08:21,810 --> 01:08:23,228
"I keep that in all my favorite records."
1245
01:08:23,228 --> 01:08:24,605
That's sort of the stash spot,
1246
01:08:24,605 --> 01:08:28,859
cause he would keep his stash
in his favorite records.
1247
01:08:41,371 --> 01:08:42,497
You hate LA?
1248
01:09:26,917 --> 01:09:29,544
(upbeat music)
1249
01:09:47,813 --> 01:09:50,440
My dad, he started out as a musician
1250
01:09:50,440 --> 01:09:51,817
and a really good one,
1251
01:09:51,817 --> 01:09:55,529
but he got into this
drunk driving accident
1252
01:09:55,529 --> 01:09:58,532
and he crashed into a train
1253
01:09:58,532 --> 01:10:02,828
and lost most of his
fingers on his right hand.
1254
01:10:02,828 --> 01:10:04,955
So, he couldn't play guitar anymore.
1255
01:10:04,955 --> 01:10:07,708
And that's when he
started really spiraling
1256
01:10:07,708 --> 01:10:09,835
into his addiction.
1257
01:10:09,835 --> 01:10:14,464
And he was in and out of
that during our whole lives.
1258
01:10:14,464 --> 01:10:19,469
He was this enigmatic
addict, artist, musician
1259
01:10:19,636 --> 01:10:24,474
and I think that definitely
had a big influence on Dash.
1260
01:10:24,474 --> 01:10:25,475
He was his dad.
1261
01:10:25,475 --> 01:10:28,353
And you always look up to your dad.
1262
01:10:41,366 --> 01:10:43,452
Oh, and it had electricity and everything.
1263
01:10:43,452 --> 01:10:44,494
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1264
01:11:04,890 --> 01:11:07,726
Being free to Dash was everything.
1265
01:11:07,726 --> 01:11:11,730
And with addiction he did not feel free.
1266
01:11:12,230 --> 01:11:15,025
He felt prisoner in those moments.
1267
01:11:16,026 --> 01:11:18,236
You know when Dash was
good, he was so free
1268
01:11:18,236 --> 01:11:21,031
he made other people feel free.
1269
01:11:21,031 --> 01:11:22,866
He saw the beauty in everybody
1270
01:11:22,866 --> 01:11:27,037
and they felt beautiful
when they were around him.
1271
01:11:30,540 --> 01:11:31,792
We met in 2006.
1272
01:11:32,918 --> 01:11:34,127
(Dash speaking)
Oh, this is a good story.
1273
01:11:34,127 --> 01:11:35,045
We should have this.
1274
01:11:35,045 --> 01:11:36,004
Is it recording?
1275
01:11:36,004 --> 01:11:36,797
Yes it is.
1276
01:11:36,797 --> 01:11:37,881
Okay.
1277
01:11:37,881 --> 01:11:39,549
So, I'll tell you the story.
1278
01:11:39,549 --> 01:11:40,926
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
1279
01:11:40,926 --> 01:11:41,802
I'll say the story.
1280
01:11:41,802 --> 01:11:43,053
So what's the official story?
1281
01:11:43,053 --> 01:11:45,514
The official story is,
1282
01:11:45,514 --> 01:11:47,557
so there's three sides
to every story right?
1283
01:11:47,557 --> 01:11:51,269
The truth, the man's version
and the woman's version.
1284
01:11:51,269 --> 01:11:52,437
Well, I'll consider the man's version
1285
01:11:52,437 --> 01:11:54,439
the truth at this point.
1286
01:11:56,441 --> 01:11:57,818
I don't know how I got there.
1287
01:11:57,818 --> 01:12:00,403
I don't know what, it was some party.
1288
01:12:00,403 --> 01:12:02,322
And she was out with,
1289
01:12:02,322 --> 01:12:04,324
she was going out with
another man at the time.
1290
01:12:04,324 --> 01:12:06,159
Not quite as manly as myself.
1291
01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:10,205
She was wearing this really
foxy black tight dress.
1292
01:12:10,205 --> 01:12:12,207
And I was just like, like,
1293
01:12:12,207 --> 01:12:13,583
you know, in The Godfather
1294
01:12:13,583 --> 01:12:15,544
he's walking with his bodyguards
1295
01:12:15,544 --> 01:12:17,712
and he sees this woman, this great woman.
1296
01:12:17,712 --> 01:12:20,340
And he goes, and the bodyguards, they say,
1297
01:12:20,340 --> 01:12:22,801
"you just got hit with a thunderbolt."
1298
01:12:22,801 --> 01:12:23,718
It's sort of like this,
1299
01:12:23,718 --> 01:12:26,096
I was really like before I did it with her
1300
01:12:26,096 --> 01:12:27,973
I jerked off so many times thinking of her
1301
01:12:27,973 --> 01:12:29,683
that kind of thing, you know?
1302
01:12:29,683 --> 01:12:31,852
So, I'd see her and I was just like,
1303
01:12:31,852 --> 01:12:33,478
and she wasn't into me.
1304
01:12:33,478 --> 01:12:34,437
She wasn't having it.
1305
01:12:34,437 --> 01:12:35,355
And I went up to her.
1306
01:12:35,355 --> 01:12:36,231
(Jade) That's not true.
1307
01:12:36,231 --> 01:12:37,107
You weren't having it.
1308
01:12:37,107 --> 01:12:40,193
'Cause I went up to her and I said,
1309
01:12:40,193 --> 01:12:41,319
I'm not normally so blunt,
1310
01:12:41,319 --> 01:12:42,737
but I looked at her and I said
1311
01:12:42,737 --> 01:12:45,198
I'm not leaving this party
without kissing your mouth.
1312
01:12:45,198 --> 01:12:46,825
I'm not leaving here without a kiss.
1313
01:12:46,825 --> 01:12:48,702
And she wouldn't do it.
1314
01:12:48,702 --> 01:12:50,996
Well, the guy I was
dating was 10 feet away.
1315
01:12:50,996 --> 01:12:52,873
But I didn't care, you know.
1316
01:12:52,873 --> 01:12:55,876
I was trying to have some respect.
1317
01:12:56,835 --> 01:12:57,878
But you wanted to.
1318
01:12:57,878 --> 01:12:58,753
I did.
1319
01:13:02,340 --> 01:13:03,967
So, that was kind of that.
1320
01:13:03,967 --> 01:13:05,135
And then I had to go
1321
01:13:05,135 --> 01:13:08,138
and I didn't see him
again for a long time.
1322
01:13:08,138 --> 01:13:11,266
And then our friend
was doing a party scene
1323
01:13:11,266 --> 01:13:13,643
for a film she was working on.
1324
01:13:13,643 --> 01:13:15,103
And when I walked into the room
1325
01:13:15,103 --> 01:13:17,772
he was sitting right there
and I remembered him and I,
1326
01:13:17,772 --> 01:13:19,399
I never stopped thinking about him.
1327
01:13:19,399 --> 01:13:22,152
He was so charismatic and good looking
1328
01:13:22,152 --> 01:13:25,739
and I sat right next
to him and I said, hey.
1329
01:13:25,739 --> 01:13:26,907
And he was so happy.
1330
01:13:26,907 --> 01:13:28,867
He was like, "Oh my God, it's you."
1331
01:13:28,867 --> 01:13:29,659
And that was it.
1332
01:13:29,659 --> 01:13:33,914
We just never left each
other's side from that day.
1333
01:13:38,168 --> 01:13:39,628
I'm so in love.
1334
01:13:41,671 --> 01:13:43,506
I'm so in love with this woman.
1335
01:13:43,506 --> 01:13:45,175
But I mean, I've never had this before
1336
01:13:45,175 --> 01:13:47,427
and I've been with a lot
of birds and whatever,
1337
01:13:47,427 --> 01:13:49,804
but it's like really special.
1338
01:13:55,393 --> 01:13:57,187
I can hear everything.
1339
01:13:58,813 --> 01:13:59,898
It's everything.
1340
01:13:59,898 --> 01:14:02,317
(echoing)
Time, time, time, time, time.
1341
01:14:04,444 --> 01:14:07,447
When I met him, his first big solo show
1342
01:14:07,447 --> 01:14:09,574
and the show was nine months away.
1343
01:14:09,574 --> 01:14:10,909
It was actually called The End
1344
01:14:10,909 --> 01:14:14,329
of Living and the Beginning of Survival.
1345
01:14:14,329 --> 01:14:17,540
And he was very nervous about it.
1346
01:14:17,540 --> 01:14:19,459
250 something pieces.
1347
01:14:19,459 --> 01:14:22,921
And it was like maybe eight months,
1348
01:14:22,921 --> 01:14:25,298
but I really sort of lost it
1349
01:14:25,298 --> 01:14:28,551
and like sort of locked
myself away a lot, you know,
1350
01:14:28,551 --> 01:14:31,346
like in my house and just drink by myself
1351
01:14:31,346 --> 01:14:34,057
and listen to music really loud.
1352
01:14:34,849 --> 01:14:37,978
The gallery decided without telling us
1353
01:14:37,978 --> 01:14:41,106
that they were going to
promote the opening night
1354
01:14:41,106 --> 01:14:43,608
with the flyers that he did for a show,
1355
01:14:43,608 --> 01:14:47,070
with suicide hotline on the back.
1356
01:14:47,070 --> 01:14:48,989
His scary ass mug, yeah.
1357
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:51,992
Oh, look at that.
1358
01:14:51,992 --> 01:14:54,077
And we played the opening.
1359
01:14:54,077 --> 01:14:56,997
It was like very widely promoted.
1360
01:14:56,997 --> 01:14:58,498
Like I remember like
driving from the airport
1361
01:14:58,498 --> 01:15:00,709
and there was like posters
of his face on the streets
1362
01:15:00,709 --> 01:15:01,751
and all this shit.
1363
01:15:01,751 --> 01:15:03,586
I'm sure it freaked him out.
1364
01:15:03,586 --> 01:15:06,715
When we first arrived that night,
1365
01:15:06,715 --> 01:15:08,591
there was like a dinner for him.
1366
01:15:08,591 --> 01:15:10,760
I remember walking into
the room and it was
1367
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:14,514
like an art dinner thing
with a long table of people.
1368
01:15:14,514 --> 01:15:18,143
And I remember him looking
like extremely uncomfortable
1369
01:15:18,143 --> 01:15:21,021
and like sort of maybe
like embarrassed in a way
1370
01:15:21,021 --> 01:15:23,606
or something you know.
1371
01:15:23,606 --> 01:15:26,151
Like, I'm sure these gallery
people were great to him.
1372
01:15:26,151 --> 01:15:27,402
And he got along with them fine,
1373
01:15:27,402 --> 01:15:29,863
but it was just something
that made him uncomfortable
1374
01:15:29,863 --> 01:15:30,864
about it all.
1375
01:15:30,864 --> 01:15:33,408
He always wanted to like hide,
1376
01:15:33,408 --> 01:15:36,286
and I could relate to that.
1377
01:15:36,286 --> 01:15:38,663
But I was doing some
dope and stay up for days
1378
01:15:38,663 --> 01:15:40,415
and just really like
working, working, working,
1379
01:15:40,415 --> 01:15:41,916
working, you know.
1380
01:15:43,043 --> 01:15:44,544
He had a very particular vision
1381
01:15:44,544 --> 01:15:46,796
of how he wanted it all to go down.
1382
01:15:46,796 --> 01:15:50,050
And opening night was packed.
1383
01:15:50,050 --> 01:15:52,177
A lot of people came through, Tal R,
1384
01:15:52,177 --> 01:15:53,928
Jonathan Meese, Christopher Wool
1385
01:15:53,928 --> 01:15:55,555
actually skipped his
own opening that night
1386
01:15:55,555 --> 01:15:57,265
to come to the dinner with Dash.
1387
01:16:12,447 --> 01:16:16,076
(guitar music and singing)
1388
01:16:32,675 --> 01:16:33,843
And I was pregnant
1389
01:16:33,843 --> 01:16:37,347
and he had just come back
from Berlin to Paris.
1390
01:16:37,347 --> 01:16:41,601
I mean, it was really as if we
had not a care in the world.
1391
01:16:41,601 --> 01:16:43,478
He was doing all right.
1392
01:16:46,731 --> 01:16:50,068
How would you define success?
1393
01:16:50,068 --> 01:16:53,238
For whoever has success,
the person themselves
1394
01:16:53,238 --> 01:16:56,074
just being content with
what they've done over years
1395
01:16:56,074 --> 01:16:59,119
or over whatever span of time,
just like people are excited
1396
01:16:59,119 --> 01:17:01,454
about what you've done, can relate to it.
1397
01:17:01,454 --> 01:17:03,373
Or I don't know, you
touch someone, somehow.
1398
01:17:03,373 --> 01:17:06,501
Whether it's one or a million
or whatever, you know.
1399
01:17:15,635 --> 01:17:18,263
Dash and Dan and all the central people
1400
01:17:18,263 --> 01:17:21,766
came down to Miami
during the art fair week.
1401
01:17:21,766 --> 01:17:26,521
But I heard that the night of the opening
1402
01:17:26,729 --> 01:17:31,359
they had created one
of their infamous nests
1403
01:17:31,526 --> 01:17:37,031
in their motel room, which
involves taking every telephone
1404
01:17:37,198 --> 01:17:41,286
book that they could find from
every room and public place
1405
01:17:41,286 --> 01:17:46,291
and ripping the pages to
shreds and creating their own
1406
01:17:46,457 --> 01:17:50,295
version of a hamster nest and
just spend the whole night
1407
01:17:50,295 --> 01:17:52,547
acting like human hamsters.
1408
01:17:53,256 --> 01:17:58,178
And I said to Dash, and
to Dan, "Could we do this
1409
01:17:58,178 --> 01:17:59,929
"as a gallery show?"
1410
01:17:59,929 --> 01:18:01,931
Dash of course was all up for it.
1411
01:18:01,931 --> 01:18:05,518
Then Dan and Dash would
arrange for their whole circle
1412
01:18:05,518 --> 01:18:09,647
of friends to come and
get drunk, get high,
1413
01:18:09,647 --> 01:18:11,065
whatever they were going to do
1414
01:18:11,065 --> 01:18:15,278
the whole night and cover every surface.
1415
01:18:15,278 --> 01:18:17,197
There's some people who
think we should just leave
1416
01:18:17,197 --> 01:18:18,823
this open permanently.
1417
01:18:18,823 --> 01:18:21,159
You know, like the Walter
de Maria Earth Room
1418
01:18:21,159 --> 01:18:22,577
on Wooster Street.
1419
01:18:22,577 --> 01:18:26,414
We should keep this as
the New York Dirt Room.
1420
01:18:31,544 --> 01:18:32,795
Let me do it.
1421
01:18:34,672 --> 01:18:36,549
That was semi all good, right?
1422
01:18:36,549 --> 01:18:38,593
Man, it's hard to launch.
1423
01:18:40,094 --> 01:18:41,471
I wanted to be very careful,
1424
01:18:41,471 --> 01:18:43,723
with safety 'cause the
whole thing was a firetrap.
1425
01:18:43,723 --> 01:18:47,185
I made Dash promise no smoking.
1426
01:18:47,852 --> 01:18:50,313
Then the other thing
is there's spray cans,
1427
01:18:50,313 --> 01:18:51,856
'cause it's really flammable.
1428
01:18:51,856 --> 01:18:54,484
Just be super careful.
1429
01:18:54,484 --> 01:18:56,486
Please trust me on this.
1430
01:18:57,612 --> 01:18:58,988
Unbeknownst to Jeffrey,
1431
01:18:58,988 --> 01:19:01,366
three, four in the morning Dash's friend,
1432
01:19:01,366 --> 01:19:02,617
Jason Dill was there.
1433
01:19:02,617 --> 01:19:05,370
He was skateboarding and
Dash grabbed a spray can
1434
01:19:05,370 --> 01:19:07,830
and a lighter and made like a beam of fire
1435
01:19:07,830 --> 01:19:09,999
for Dill to jump over.
1436
01:19:09,999 --> 01:19:12,252
And I got some nice photos of that.
1437
01:19:12,252 --> 01:19:15,255
(people chattering)
1438
01:19:17,465 --> 01:19:19,759
Later when I edited the book,
1439
01:19:19,759 --> 01:19:23,972
I included that photo in
there because it was awesome.
1440
01:19:23,972 --> 01:19:25,765
And I remember when I presented
Jeffrey with the nest book,
1441
01:19:25,765 --> 01:19:27,016
when it was finally completed.
1442
01:19:27,016 --> 01:19:28,226
Him like flipping through it
1443
01:19:28,226 --> 01:19:31,229
and him stopping at the fire ball photo
1444
01:19:31,229 --> 01:19:32,522
and like pausing being like,
1445
01:19:32,522 --> 01:19:35,650
"If I acknowledge this I'm
going to have to fire Kathy,
1446
01:19:35,650 --> 01:19:39,153
"'cause she could have like
ignited a giant pile of paper
1447
01:19:39,153 --> 01:19:40,780
"in the gallery, left unattended
1448
01:19:40,780 --> 01:19:42,156
"in the middle of the night."
1449
01:19:42,156 --> 01:19:42,991
He debated it.
1450
01:19:42,991 --> 01:19:44,867
And then I saw him
finally just turn the page.
1451
01:19:44,867 --> 01:19:46,619
Just pretend he hadn't seen it.
1452
01:19:46,619 --> 01:19:49,789
Keep going like normal.
1453
01:19:51,791 --> 01:19:54,294
(rock music)
1454
01:20:02,927 --> 01:20:05,263
I hadn't thought about it at the time.
1455
01:20:05,263 --> 01:20:09,058
I was pregnant and he was creating a nest.
1456
01:20:09,058 --> 01:20:11,519
He gave me this and this
is one of the proudest
1457
01:20:11,519 --> 01:20:14,772
creations of his life,
is this little picture
1458
01:20:14,772 --> 01:20:18,693
of his arm and little
Secret, it's his daughter.
1459
01:20:21,946 --> 01:20:24,324
He became very interested
1460
01:20:24,324 --> 01:20:27,160
in documenting his private life,
1461
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:32,206
rather than his outside
life, his social life.
1462
01:20:34,667 --> 01:20:36,961
He was with Jade and you know,
1463
01:20:36,961 --> 01:20:39,172
Secret was born and all of a sudden it's,
1464
01:20:39,172 --> 01:20:41,215
you know, representative of a life
1465
01:20:41,215 --> 01:20:44,344
that he's been going away
from forever and ever.
1466
01:20:44,344 --> 01:20:48,222
And then I think it must be
made even more complicated
1467
01:20:48,222 --> 01:20:51,726
by the fact that there's such
a deep love between, you know
1468
01:20:51,726 --> 01:20:54,228
father and their child.
1469
01:20:54,228 --> 01:20:57,482
I think that he was happy for a while
1470
01:20:57,482 --> 01:21:00,485
and he loved being a dad,
1471
01:21:00,693 --> 01:21:04,989
and had gone to rehab and
was doing really well.
1472
01:21:13,748 --> 01:21:16,876
He tried to quit so many
times with methadone,
1473
01:21:16,876 --> 01:21:20,380
doing suboxone, you know cold turkey,
1474
01:21:20,380 --> 01:21:21,631
you know, he would try.
1475
01:21:21,631 --> 01:21:24,008
But I think as soon as
his brain would clear
1476
01:21:24,008 --> 01:21:26,886
out a little bit, he would be tortured,
1477
01:21:26,886 --> 01:21:32,141
because the real problem
would be uncovered maybe.
1478
01:21:32,141 --> 01:21:33,267
And he couldn't deal with it.
1479
01:21:33,267 --> 01:21:34,894
Like he never talked about his mom.
1480
01:21:34,894 --> 01:21:36,020
He'd talk about his dad.
1481
01:22:08,261 --> 01:22:10,054
It's tricky getting old.
1482
01:22:10,054 --> 01:22:13,307
But I feel like strangely Dash felt like
1483
01:22:13,307 --> 01:22:17,061
he was losing control over who he was.
1484
01:22:27,196 --> 01:22:28,823
There was a lot of times
when I've felt like,
1485
01:22:28,823 --> 01:22:30,408
wow this seems really dark right now.
1486
01:22:30,408 --> 01:22:33,578
Like the people around Dash
are really not the best.
1487
01:22:33,578 --> 01:22:35,580
And then he had new artsy friends,
1488
01:22:35,580 --> 01:22:37,457
that were also heroin friends.
1489
01:22:37,457 --> 01:22:39,584
There were certainly enablers.
1490
01:22:39,584 --> 01:22:41,294
Like here's a hotel and here's some drugs.
1491
01:22:41,294 --> 01:22:42,587
It's really cool to them,
1492
01:22:42,587 --> 01:22:44,589
'cause they just discovered
it and they're selling it.
1493
01:22:44,589 --> 01:22:48,217
And they're like trying to
make sure that this carries on.
1494
01:23:27,089 --> 01:23:29,509
Are you still like pretty friendly
1495
01:23:29,509 --> 01:23:31,594
with a lot of the people you grew up with?
1496
01:23:37,767 --> 01:23:40,770
It was hard to tell what the reason was,
1497
01:23:40,770 --> 01:23:42,396
why we weren't hanging out as much.
1498
01:23:42,396 --> 01:23:44,649
But it was just as much me as anything.
1499
01:23:44,649 --> 01:23:46,400
'Cause I wasn't tolerating the heroin.
1500
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,402
Luckily Jade was around.
1501
01:23:57,036 --> 01:23:59,622
I remember Dan said, "Oh God,
he called me from rehab."
1502
01:23:59,622 --> 01:24:01,249
And he had snuck into some room.
1503
01:24:01,249 --> 01:24:03,292
And he was underneath a desk with a phone,
1504
01:24:03,292 --> 01:24:04,794
'cause you weren't
supposed to call anyone.
1505
01:24:04,794 --> 01:24:06,921
And he'd said to Dan,
"They're making me talk
1506
01:24:07,088 --> 01:24:09,799
"about my whole life story."
1507
01:24:25,273 --> 01:24:28,442
I was living in the studio
and this old, old dude
1508
01:24:28,442 --> 01:24:30,027
who's like a life-long heroin dealer
1509
01:24:30,027 --> 01:24:32,905
is calling me all day and
I'm like, don't call me.
1510
01:24:32,905 --> 01:24:34,073
Dash isn't here.
1511
01:24:34,073 --> 01:24:35,324
He doesn't want to talk to you.
1512
01:24:35,324 --> 01:24:36,576
He's like, "I just wanted to know."
1513
01:24:36,576 --> 01:24:38,452
"He wants to talk to me, believe me."
1514
01:24:38,452 --> 01:24:39,537
And, "He wants to talk to me."
1515
01:24:39,537 --> 01:24:41,205
"He's trying to get in
touch with me right now."
1516
01:24:41,205 --> 01:24:43,457
And he's like, "Just tell him I called."
1517
01:24:43,457 --> 01:24:45,334
And I'm just like, dude.
1518
01:24:45,334 --> 01:24:47,461
He would tell us like a lie and be like,
1519
01:24:47,461 --> 01:24:48,713
I'm just going to go out to do this.
1520
01:24:48,713 --> 01:24:51,799
And he would like, meet the
dude to get high and shit.
1521
01:24:51,799 --> 01:24:56,304
So, it was just like, fucking
really, really terrible.
1522
01:25:03,936 --> 01:25:06,939
But this is a pretty damaged zine.
1523
01:25:10,860 --> 01:25:14,363
He sent me a loaded syringe and it's real.
1524
01:25:15,865 --> 01:25:19,702
You know, actually,
I have his voicemails.
1525
01:25:20,202 --> 01:25:22,496
He would call and leave them.
1526
01:26:24,141 --> 01:26:26,686
(solemn music)
1527
01:26:29,397 --> 01:26:31,649
(Dash) So many times I've
been sitting for so many days
1528
01:26:31,649 --> 01:26:33,943
just like fuck, when am I
going to get out of here?
1529
01:26:33,943 --> 01:26:35,319
This is the worst ever.
1530
01:26:35,319 --> 01:26:38,030
And like, I feel like
it's better to like die
1531
01:26:38,030 --> 01:26:41,200
on your feet than live on
your knees, sort of thing.
1532
01:27:20,197 --> 01:27:22,950
Everybody was living a similar lifestyle
1533
01:27:22,950 --> 01:27:25,369
and it wasn't until Dash passed away
1534
01:27:25,369 --> 01:27:27,621
that people started to look at themselves
1535
01:27:27,621 --> 01:27:29,373
and change themselves.
1536
01:27:29,373 --> 01:27:33,127
It was a real kind of
awakening for a lot of people.
1537
01:27:58,861 --> 01:27:59,904
But then you would just...
1538
01:28:09,538 --> 01:28:13,167
I think the person who misses
out the most is Secret,
1539
01:28:13,167 --> 01:28:15,669
'cause he fucking loved her.
1540
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:18,172
She didn't get the Dash that we all got,
1541
01:28:18,172 --> 01:28:20,007
you know, which sucks.
1542
01:28:25,554 --> 01:28:27,431
It sucks.
1543
01:28:44,031 --> 01:28:45,908
♪ Psychedelic invocations ♪
1544
01:28:45,908 --> 01:28:48,661
♪ Of Mata Hari at the station ♪
1545
01:28:48,661 --> 01:28:53,082
♪ I give to you ♪
1546
01:28:53,082 --> 01:28:55,334
♪ A Java princess of Hindu birth ♪
1547
01:28:55,334 --> 01:28:57,711
♪ A woman of flesh, a child of the earth ♪
1548
01:28:57,711 --> 01:29:02,216
♪ I give to you ♪
1549
01:29:02,216 --> 01:29:04,593
♪ Well, the hanging gardens of Babylon ♪
1550
01:29:04,593 --> 01:29:06,846
♪ Miles Davis, the black unicorn ♪
1551
01:29:06,846 --> 01:29:11,350
♪ I give to you ♪
1552
01:29:11,350 --> 01:29:13,978
♪ The Palaces of Montezuma ♪
1553
01:29:13,978 --> 01:29:16,313
♪ And the Gardens of Akbar's tomb ♪
1554
01:29:16,313 --> 01:29:20,860
♪ I give to you ♪
1555
01:29:20,860 --> 01:29:23,320
♪ The spider goddess and the needle boy ♪
1556
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:25,865
♪ The slave-dwarves they employ ♪
1557
01:29:25,865 --> 01:29:29,952
♪ I give to you ♪
1558
01:29:29,952 --> 01:29:32,204
♪ A custard-coloured super dream ♪
1559
01:29:32,204 --> 01:29:34,832
♪ Of Ali McGraw and Steve McQueen ♪
1560
01:29:34,832 --> 01:29:39,837
♪ I give to you ♪
1561
01:29:40,754 --> 01:29:45,759
♪ C'mon baby, let's get out of the cold ♪
1562
01:29:48,387 --> 01:29:50,264
♪ And give me, give me, give me ♪
1563
01:29:50,264 --> 01:29:55,227
♪ Your precious love for me to hold ♪
1564
01:29:57,521 --> 01:29:59,773
♪ The epic of Gilgamesh ♪
1565
01:29:59,773 --> 01:30:02,401
♪ A pretty little black A-line dress ♪
1566
01:30:02,401 --> 01:30:06,739
♪ I give to you ♪
1567
01:30:06,739 --> 01:30:08,866
♪ The spinal cord of JFK ♪
1568
01:30:08,866 --> 01:30:11,285
♪ Wrapped in Marilyn Monroe's negligee ♪
1569
01:30:11,285 --> 01:30:15,748
♪ I give to you ♪
1570
01:30:15,748 --> 01:30:18,250
♪ The Gorgon's mask, the wings of wax ♪
1571
01:30:18,250 --> 01:30:20,794
♪ Icarus falling through the cracks ♪
1572
01:30:20,794 --> 01:30:24,798
♪ I give to you ♪
1573
01:30:24,798 --> 01:30:27,134
♪ The blood girl and her deity ♪
1574
01:30:27,134 --> 01:30:29,803
♪ And everything that I believe ♪
1575
01:30:29,803 --> 01:30:34,058
♪ I give to you ♪
1576
01:30:34,058 --> 01:30:36,185
♪ I want nothing in return ♪
1577
01:30:36,185 --> 01:30:38,646
♪ Just the softest
little breathless word ♪
1578
01:30:38,646 --> 01:30:43,192
♪ I ask of you ♪
1579
01:30:43,192 --> 01:30:45,444
♪ A word contained in a grain of sand ♪
1580
01:30:45,444 --> 01:30:48,072
♪ That can barely walk, can't even stand ♪
1581
01:30:48,072 --> 01:30:53,077
♪ I ask of you ♪
1582
01:30:53,452 --> 01:30:58,457
♪ c'mon baby, let's get out of the cold ♪
1583
01:31:01,460 --> 01:31:05,714
♪ And gimme gimme gimme
your precious love ♪
1584
01:31:05,714 --> 01:31:10,678
♪ For me to hold ♪
1585
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:16,725
♪ C'mon baby come out of the cold ♪
1586
01:31:19,436 --> 01:31:23,816
♪ And gimme gimme gimme
your precious love ♪
1587
01:31:23,816 --> 01:31:27,611
♪ For me to hold ♪
1588
01:31:27,611 --> 01:31:30,114
♪ Yeah, c'mon ♪
1589
01:31:52,219 --> 01:31:54,763
(cars honking)
1590
01:32:00,894 --> 01:32:03,897
(crickets chirping)
1591
01:32:43,187 --> 01:32:48,192
♪ Mother, I know your face ♪
1592
01:32:50,319 --> 01:32:55,324
♪ Father, still hold your place ♪
1593
01:32:57,576 --> 01:33:02,081
♪ Sister, I'm around you, remember me ♪
1594
01:33:12,091 --> 01:33:16,678
♪ Brother, I'm on my way, I'm visiting ♪
1595
01:33:26,980 --> 01:33:31,985
♪ Little sister, I know from
where your brown eyes get ♪
1596
01:33:41,954 --> 01:33:46,959
♪ Your face on horizon ♪
1597
01:33:48,335 --> 01:33:53,340
♪ I cannot see ♪
1598
01:33:56,844 --> 01:34:01,849
♪ Your face on horizon ♪
1599
01:34:03,225 --> 01:34:05,769
♪ I cannot say ♪
1600
01:34:19,241 --> 01:34:24,163
♪ Mother, I wanna hold your hand ♪
1601
01:34:26,540 --> 01:34:31,545
♪ Father, I need you to be a man ♪
1602
01:34:33,922 --> 01:34:38,927
♪ Sister, if there's any help in me ♪
1603
01:34:39,678 --> 01:34:44,683
♪ I'm always on my way ♪
1604
01:34:48,770 --> 01:34:53,775
♪ Little brother, let's get on to travel ♪
1605
01:34:55,319 --> 01:35:00,324
♪ Let's get up to something ♪
1606
01:35:03,452 --> 01:35:08,081
♪ Little sister, can I have this dance? ♪
1607
01:35:18,425 --> 01:35:22,971
♪ You're on the horizon, I cannot stay ♪
1608
01:35:33,232 --> 01:35:37,819
♪ You're on the horizon, I'm on my way ♪
1609
01:35:48,121 --> 01:35:53,126
♪ You're on the horizon,
I'm header the other way ♪
1610
01:35:56,213 --> 01:35:59,633
♪ Horizon ♪
1611
01:35:59,633 --> 01:36:04,096
♪ Ho-horizon, ho-horizon, ho-horizon ♪
1612
01:36:17,150 --> 01:36:19,903
♪ On the horizon ♪
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