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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:04,258 --> 00:00:06,385 I didn't do anything though! I didn't do anything! 3 00:00:06,385 --> 00:00:08,012 You fucking smacked the bottle. 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 5 00:00:08,179 --> 00:00:11,682 I did not! I didn't do it - I swear to God it wasn't me 6 00:00:19,232 --> 00:00:21,776 - That's because I didn't do it! - C'mon, yeah keep going 7 00:00:24,654 --> 00:00:25,530 Be fair. 8 00:00:25,530 --> 00:00:27,657 Officer, I swear to you, I didn't... 9 00:00:27,657 --> 00:00:30,535 I argued with him, but I did not hit him. 10 00:00:35,790 --> 00:00:37,833 I can't really say that I have a title at this point, 11 00:00:37,833 --> 00:00:40,586 I'm working on it but Dash Snow. 12 00:00:44,090 --> 00:00:46,217 So what keeps you alive? 13 00:00:48,719 --> 00:00:50,972 Four big bottles of water a day, 14 00:00:50,972 --> 00:00:53,474 two packs of Marlboro reds and... 15 00:00:56,602 --> 00:00:58,938 What keeps me alive, shit... 16 00:01:00,731 --> 00:01:05,152 ♪ New York, I love you, but you're bringing me down ♪ 17 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:06,279 I'm in love with this city. 18 00:01:06,445 --> 00:01:07,905 I have a permanent bond, you know, 19 00:01:07,905 --> 00:01:08,906 it's in my blood. 20 00:01:08,906 --> 00:01:09,699 I love to love it. 21 00:01:09,699 --> 00:01:10,950 I hate hating it. 22 00:01:10,950 --> 00:01:15,580 ♪ New York I love you, but you're bringing me down ♪ 23 00:01:15,580 --> 00:01:16,706 It's the worst place to be 24 00:01:16,706 --> 00:01:18,082 if you're not happy there, so it's a thin line 25 00:01:18,082 --> 00:01:19,458 between love and hate. 26 00:01:19,458 --> 00:01:23,170 ♪ Like a rat in a cage ♪ 27 00:01:23,170 --> 00:01:28,175 ♪ Pulling minimum wage ♪ 28 00:01:30,052 --> 00:01:35,057 ♪ New York I love you, but you're bringing me down ♪ 29 00:01:35,975 --> 00:01:37,852 I'll tell you what I don't believe in, 30 00:01:38,019 --> 00:01:39,103 can I do that? 31 00:01:39,103 --> 00:01:41,606 All right, I don't believe in laws 32 00:01:41,606 --> 00:01:46,110 or the system by any means whatsoever. 33 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,322 I try not to obey them at any time. 34 00:01:49,488 --> 00:01:52,491 ♪ Our records all show you are filthy, but fine ♪ 35 00:01:52,658 --> 00:01:55,703 That's what I believe in not believing in. 36 00:01:55,870 --> 00:02:01,876 ♪ And oh, take me off your mailing list ♪ 37 00:02:01,876 --> 00:02:05,504 ♪ For kids who think it still exists ♪ 38 00:02:05,504 --> 00:02:07,715 I was taking pictures and making work for a long time 39 00:02:07,882 --> 00:02:08,799 before I'd show anyone. 40 00:02:08,799 --> 00:02:09,884 I'd only show my friends, 41 00:02:10,051 --> 00:02:11,510 I mean I have no shame, I'm not ashamed 42 00:02:11,510 --> 00:02:14,138 of anything, I don't care about what people see, 43 00:02:14,138 --> 00:02:15,931 but for me, this is not for anyone, 44 00:02:15,931 --> 00:02:19,268 this is for us, it's like a really pure moment. 45 00:02:19,435 --> 00:02:22,146 ♪ Maybe you're right, maybe I'm wrong ♪ 46 00:02:27,526 --> 00:02:29,195 ♪ And I ♪ 47 00:02:36,827 --> 00:02:38,829 No no yeah that really happened. 48 00:02:40,790 --> 00:02:42,333 Your wife 49 00:02:44,293 --> 00:02:46,671 Oh, wow... 50 00:02:48,297 --> 00:02:49,715 Dash, nice to meet you. 51 00:02:49,715 --> 00:02:50,841 Nice to meet you, what's your name? 52 00:02:50,841 --> 00:02:51,592 Chrissy 53 00:02:51,759 --> 00:02:53,094 - Nice to meet you - And that's George 54 00:02:53,094 --> 00:02:54,553 Take it easy! 55 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,181 (guitar music) 56 00:03:06,482 --> 00:03:08,234 That was my first solo show, 57 00:03:08,234 --> 00:03:10,569 it was an honest portrayal of what was going on, 58 00:03:10,569 --> 00:03:11,487 you know? 59 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,826 I'm a pretty dark person, I thought about ending it 60 00:03:16,992 --> 00:03:18,202 a million times. 61 00:03:19,704 --> 00:03:22,748 (instrumental music) 62 00:03:32,216 --> 00:03:34,260 Something that I've learned 63 00:03:34,260 --> 00:03:36,345 is art doesn't just happen, 64 00:03:36,345 --> 00:03:38,597 it doesn't just appear out of the ether. 65 00:03:38,597 --> 00:03:41,350 Individuals have to make it happen. 66 00:03:41,350 --> 00:03:44,645 He was the most charismatic artist I'd met 67 00:03:44,645 --> 00:03:46,772 since Jean-Michel Basquiat, 68 00:03:46,772 --> 00:03:51,277 who also embodied so much of his aesthetic in his person. 69 00:03:52,987 --> 00:03:55,656 So he had this kind of situationist idea 70 00:03:55,656 --> 00:03:58,159 of psychogeography and he would just wander the city 71 00:03:58,159 --> 00:04:01,120 looking for sites to take polaroids 72 00:04:06,500 --> 00:04:07,793 To tag whatever. 73 00:04:09,795 --> 00:04:13,174 We're talking about the 2000s, it was sort of pre-internet. 74 00:04:13,340 --> 00:04:15,009 So artists would gather together 75 00:04:15,176 --> 00:04:16,594 and just talk to one another 76 00:04:16,594 --> 00:04:20,514 rather than communicate over social media or whatever. 77 00:04:23,225 --> 00:04:25,770 One of the last moments where New York city 78 00:04:25,936 --> 00:04:28,773 itself was the sort of studio and the crucible 79 00:04:28,773 --> 00:04:32,401 for these ideas and artworks, not the world. 80 00:04:34,904 --> 00:04:39,033 And it was conceived of as a completely collaborative work 81 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,160 fueled by a certain kind of bravado, 82 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,163 a certain kind of art-making, by drugs. 83 00:04:44,163 --> 00:04:47,291 ♪ I got my blade, I got my lady gonna touch my hand ♪ 84 00:04:47,291 --> 00:04:49,418 ♪ give a little kiss ♪ 85 00:04:49,418 --> 00:04:51,128 - By sex. - ♪ Like this ♪ 86 00:04:51,128 --> 00:04:54,131 It felt as if that energy that had been the domain 87 00:04:54,131 --> 00:04:57,301 of musicians was being encapsulated in the art world 88 00:04:57,301 --> 00:04:58,761 - at that moment. - ♪ Lord have mercy ♪ 89 00:04:58,928 --> 00:05:01,263 ♪ Lord have mercy ♪ 90 00:05:01,263 --> 00:05:04,058 (upbeat music) 91 00:05:04,225 --> 00:05:08,521 Dash was such an influential figure in this scene. 92 00:05:08,687 --> 00:05:11,065 He really was at the center. 93 00:05:12,817 --> 00:05:15,694 This is like typical night out Dan's doing a bump, 94 00:05:15,694 --> 00:05:18,447 Dash is wearing chain mail for no reason. 95 00:05:18,614 --> 00:05:20,199 He was so many different things 96 00:05:20,366 --> 00:05:23,661 to so many different people that it's really 97 00:05:23,661 --> 00:05:26,455 hard to understand him as a complete person 98 00:05:26,455 --> 00:05:27,957 'cause you only got one part of it 99 00:05:27,957 --> 00:05:30,292 whereas somebody else might have gotten another part. 100 00:05:30,459 --> 00:05:32,962 That's why I think it's interesting to try to do this film 101 00:05:32,962 --> 00:05:37,216 to like piece it all together and try to explain honestly 102 00:05:37,216 --> 00:05:40,845 your best version of who you believe he is. 103 00:05:40,845 --> 00:05:43,556 (upbeat music) 104 00:05:46,725 --> 00:05:48,352 (knocking) 105 00:06:08,497 --> 00:06:10,624 (laughing) 106 00:06:55,544 --> 00:06:56,795 You know what I mean? 107 00:06:56,795 --> 00:06:59,423 They loved to take the heads off of my barbies 108 00:06:59,423 --> 00:07:01,550 and throw those out the window, 109 00:07:01,550 --> 00:07:03,761 the doorman would come to our apartment 110 00:07:03,761 --> 00:07:06,305 and be like, is this yours? 111 00:07:16,148 --> 00:07:17,816 (sploosh) 112 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:22,821 You know what I mean, just like... 113 00:07:36,460 --> 00:07:39,713 Can I take a picture with the (indistinct) 114 00:07:39,713 --> 00:07:42,049 You got to get in the light though. 115 00:07:43,467 --> 00:07:44,718 Is this thing on? 116 00:07:44,885 --> 00:07:46,303 I see a red light. 117 00:07:53,852 --> 00:07:56,939 When you're 12 and you're out in the middle 118 00:07:57,106 --> 00:07:59,984 of the night and you're in a place where nobody 119 00:07:59,984 --> 00:08:02,236 else is supposed to be and you got free reign 120 00:08:02,236 --> 00:08:04,822 and you see this incredible thing that's huge 121 00:08:04,989 --> 00:08:07,616 in the dark in the tunnel, it was amazing. 122 00:08:07,783 --> 00:08:09,868 You know when you got to a museum or a gallery 123 00:08:09,868 --> 00:08:11,829 and you're like, you can't stop looking at a painting, 124 00:08:11,996 --> 00:08:13,747 it was that, turned up. 125 00:08:14,957 --> 00:08:17,626 Just because of the environment. 126 00:08:18,377 --> 00:08:21,130 - It's a fucking addiction you know, 127 00:08:21,130 --> 00:08:23,007 it's just in your blood and that's it. 128 00:08:23,007 --> 00:08:24,383 You do it all the time 129 00:08:24,383 --> 00:08:25,968 and you know, you become a fanatic 130 00:08:25,968 --> 00:08:28,595 and he's a fucking beast. 131 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:32,808 This is when I first met Dash. 132 00:08:32,975 --> 00:08:35,394 The way I met him was funny. 133 00:08:35,394 --> 00:08:37,438 I used to go to this place called the freedom tunnels, 134 00:08:37,438 --> 00:08:38,313 the Amtrak tunnels. 135 00:08:38,313 --> 00:08:39,940 Because it was near my house where I grew up. 136 00:08:39,940 --> 00:08:41,316 I went in there one day. 137 00:08:41,316 --> 00:08:42,276 I got chased out 138 00:08:42,276 --> 00:08:43,569 by some guys with pipes, 139 00:08:43,569 --> 00:08:45,821 Share 37 and Mars 69. 140 00:08:45,821 --> 00:08:46,905 - Yo, he actually came up to me, 141 00:08:46,905 --> 00:08:49,199 told me and Mars, yo, what's up? 142 00:08:49,199 --> 00:08:50,909 They didn't rob me with the pipes, obviously, 143 00:08:50,909 --> 00:08:53,579 they bought me a forty and we hung out, you know? 144 00:08:53,579 --> 00:08:55,039 Sace, myself. 145 00:08:55,205 --> 00:08:57,082 I'd been doing it for about a year and half 146 00:08:57,082 --> 00:08:58,959 and they kind of schooled me a little bit, 147 00:08:58,959 --> 00:09:00,461 gave me some letters, whatever, 148 00:09:00,461 --> 00:09:02,171 and at first, I was doing what they were giving me 149 00:09:02,171 --> 00:09:05,299 and I was like, fuck this, I wanna do what I want to do. 150 00:09:05,299 --> 00:09:07,801 So I added an R, as a desperate attempt 151 00:09:07,801 --> 00:09:09,595 to try to make it at least a little bit more 152 00:09:09,595 --> 00:09:13,182 interesting because it was just like the stupidest name. 153 00:09:13,348 --> 00:09:14,349 Sace. 154 00:09:16,101 --> 00:09:18,479 I just did that one the other night. 155 00:09:18,645 --> 00:09:20,564 I like it because there's no rooftops on C, 156 00:09:20,564 --> 00:09:23,233 so that one kind of sticks out, you know? 157 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:24,693 I'd like to say I climbed, 158 00:09:24,860 --> 00:09:26,820 but I know someone who lives in the building. 159 00:09:26,820 --> 00:09:28,322 My dad used to live down here 160 00:09:28,322 --> 00:09:30,115 because I grew up in Midtown, 161 00:09:30,115 --> 00:09:31,825 but I remember coming down here 162 00:09:31,825 --> 00:09:33,577 I guess like mid, late 80s 163 00:09:33,744 --> 00:09:35,579 it was pretty... out of hand. 164 00:09:38,332 --> 00:09:42,252 ♪ You hard motherfucker, you ain't seen it yet. ♪ 165 00:09:43,378 --> 00:09:45,881 Manhattan, New York City was not like it is now, 166 00:09:45,881 --> 00:09:48,133 where like Downtown is fucking Beverly Hills, 167 00:09:48,133 --> 00:09:50,844 like it wasn't a crazy barrier that you had to be 168 00:09:50,844 --> 00:09:52,888 a bazillionaire to live anywhere. 169 00:09:52,888 --> 00:09:53,722 You know? 170 00:09:53,722 --> 00:09:56,141 It was more of just, a neighborhood 171 00:10:01,271 --> 00:10:02,147 you know what I mean, 172 00:10:10,989 --> 00:10:13,784 And we were kids, you skate, you write, 173 00:10:13,951 --> 00:10:17,162 you hang out, you want to be a bad kid, 174 00:10:17,329 --> 00:10:20,666 you want to be cool and we just thought we were ill. 175 00:10:20,666 --> 00:10:24,795 I always had a psychotic, like unhealthy amount 176 00:10:24,795 --> 00:10:27,172 of freedom as a young person. 177 00:10:29,174 --> 00:10:30,884 What's the other name? 178 00:10:31,051 --> 00:10:32,886 That's my partner in crime, Glace. 179 00:10:32,886 --> 00:10:35,889 G-L-A-C-L, Glace, no meaning whatsoever, I just like 180 00:10:35,889 --> 00:10:38,433 messing around with the letters. 181 00:10:38,433 --> 00:10:40,519 When did you first meet Dash? 182 00:10:40,519 --> 00:10:42,563 I was walking through Central Park, bump into like 183 00:10:42,563 --> 00:10:45,899 25 other people who I had problems with. 184 00:10:47,192 --> 00:10:49,695 I told them that I'd fight any two of them, 185 00:10:49,695 --> 00:10:51,321 they're like, okay, who do you want to fight? 186 00:10:51,321 --> 00:10:53,824 I said I would fight this kid Louie and then Dash. 187 00:10:53,824 --> 00:10:54,700 (drums beating) 188 00:10:54,700 --> 00:10:56,451 They wouldn't let me fight Dash, 189 00:10:56,451 --> 00:10:58,954 Louie slammed my head into a brick wall. 190 00:10:58,954 --> 00:11:00,664 (police siren squawking) 191 00:11:00,831 --> 00:11:05,419 Coming through folks, thank you, coming through. 192 00:11:05,419 --> 00:11:08,172 The police came, we shook hands and we ended up hanging out, 193 00:11:08,338 --> 00:11:09,923 throwing watermelons at cars, 194 00:11:10,090 --> 00:11:11,842 smoking weed, causing trouble 195 00:11:11,842 --> 00:11:15,304 and from that day forward, we were just pals. 196 00:11:15,470 --> 00:11:17,347 (child speaking Spanish) 197 00:11:18,182 --> 00:11:21,310 Thinking back on my own history and then a son now, 198 00:11:21,310 --> 00:11:23,353 I don't know, it's kind of a daunting thing. 199 00:11:23,353 --> 00:11:26,857 I had no boundaries, no rules, no nothing. 200 00:11:30,110 --> 00:11:31,945 I was living in this house where there was like 201 00:11:31,945 --> 00:11:33,822 these big drug dealers, like in the Projects, 202 00:11:33,822 --> 00:11:35,574 in the south Bronx 203 00:11:35,574 --> 00:11:37,951 for three weeks and my one memory of this was like 204 00:11:37,951 --> 00:11:40,871 doing coke with these 30-something year old men 205 00:11:40,871 --> 00:11:42,873 and I'm like 14 and I really looked up to these guys, 206 00:11:42,873 --> 00:11:44,458 like old school graffiti guys, you know, 207 00:11:44,458 --> 00:11:46,877 and like four or five little Puerto-Rican kids 208 00:11:46,877 --> 00:11:49,254 and black kids running all around while we're doing coke 209 00:11:49,254 --> 00:11:52,132 and I think one of them had like his mistress kind of 210 00:11:52,132 --> 00:11:55,010 situation in the house with the kids and the mother 211 00:11:55,010 --> 00:11:56,887 of the kids came and freaked out and was like 212 00:11:56,887 --> 00:11:58,472 "Who's this fucking white boy 213 00:11:58,472 --> 00:12:00,098 in our house, you're giving him cocaine, 214 00:12:00,098 --> 00:12:01,975 he's a teenager, we're gonna get arrested," 215 00:12:01,975 --> 00:12:03,518 and he had to make me leave, 216 00:12:03,518 --> 00:12:04,645 he said "I'm so sorry", 217 00:12:04,645 --> 00:12:07,731 so I stayed in some other projects, you know. 218 00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:11,401 - Do you like it so far? 219 00:12:11,568 --> 00:12:13,528 - Yeah but I don't understand it. 220 00:12:14,863 --> 00:12:17,366 My brother is a graffiti artist, 221 00:12:17,366 --> 00:12:20,619 but he does the drawing stuff, you know, 222 00:12:20,619 --> 00:12:23,789 with the fingers, yeah like that. 223 00:12:23,789 --> 00:12:26,917 Tagging, yeah okay, you could say that, 224 00:12:26,917 --> 00:12:29,044 and it looks interesting though. 225 00:12:29,044 --> 00:12:30,796 But I'm just curious. 226 00:12:32,422 --> 00:12:34,675 They told everybody in the neighborhood 227 00:12:34,675 --> 00:12:36,677 that I was half Irish and half Puerto-Rican 228 00:12:36,677 --> 00:12:38,178 to maybe make it okay, 229 00:12:38,178 --> 00:12:40,180 like I don't know how I could get away with that. 230 00:12:50,065 --> 00:12:51,316 Yeah, I'll open the building, 231 00:13:06,957 --> 00:13:07,958 Hey there. 232 00:13:07,958 --> 00:13:09,209 How's it going guys? 233 00:13:09,209 --> 00:13:10,210 What's going on? 234 00:13:10,210 --> 00:13:12,212 Yeah, hell no, man. 235 00:13:12,212 --> 00:13:13,422 Thank you. 236 00:13:17,592 --> 00:13:19,845 You have to master the art of sneaking out, 237 00:13:20,012 --> 00:13:22,931 which I did till I was like 11 or 12. 238 00:13:23,849 --> 00:13:26,935 What did you do when you went out when you were 11? 239 00:13:27,102 --> 00:13:31,106 Steal beer, I don't know, just go write. 240 00:13:31,106 --> 00:13:33,608 I think even at 13, everyone thought they were 241 00:13:33,608 --> 00:13:35,360 so fucking cool, but Dash is like, 242 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,612 "yo, I painted a train with this guy 243 00:13:37,612 --> 00:13:38,739 who painted trains in the 80s." 244 00:13:38,739 --> 00:13:40,741 And you're like, what the fuck are you talking about? 245 00:13:40,741 --> 00:13:42,576 But then at the same time, we're like, that's dope. 246 00:13:42,743 --> 00:13:43,994 This guy is doing all this shit 247 00:13:43,994 --> 00:13:45,871 while we're all just like cashing silver marker 248 00:13:45,871 --> 00:13:48,081 tags by the pizza shop. 249 00:13:50,250 --> 00:13:51,626 We would just be out all night. 250 00:13:51,626 --> 00:13:52,753 When it was time to go home, 251 00:13:52,919 --> 00:13:55,964 the birds were actually chirping in the morning. 252 00:13:56,131 --> 00:13:58,008 And he would just cut school, 253 00:13:58,008 --> 00:13:59,593 and my mother started questioning things, 254 00:13:59,593 --> 00:14:02,095 she's like, "yo, man, does this kid go to school or something?" 255 00:14:34,753 --> 00:14:37,506 (dramatic music) 256 00:14:43,929 --> 00:14:45,389 He told me that he was basically, 257 00:14:45,555 --> 00:14:47,307 essentially kidnapped in the middle of the night. 258 00:14:47,307 --> 00:14:48,934 He didn't know where he was going 259 00:14:48,934 --> 00:14:51,144 for a long time, they only revealed it to him 260 00:14:51,144 --> 00:14:53,563 when he arrived there. 261 00:14:53,814 --> 00:14:56,441 What pops into my mind is bounty hunters, 262 00:14:56,441 --> 00:14:58,693 but not exactly, but sort of the same. 263 00:14:58,693 --> 00:15:01,571 The process is, escorts were hired, 264 00:15:01,571 --> 00:15:04,783 who were big thugs, that would come 265 00:15:04,783 --> 00:15:07,327 and pick kids up at their homes 266 00:15:07,327 --> 00:15:11,164 at 4 a.m. and bring them unbeknownst to them 267 00:15:11,164 --> 00:15:13,583 sometimes with chains between their legs 268 00:15:13,583 --> 00:15:18,088 or handcuffs, so probably, two people brought Dash 269 00:15:18,088 --> 00:15:20,590 unexpectedly to Georgia. 270 00:15:20,590 --> 00:15:22,426 And that was something that didn't just happen to him, 271 00:15:22,592 --> 00:15:24,052 I guess that was a fad. 272 00:15:25,303 --> 00:15:28,598 I met Dash at Hidden Lake Academy, just a fucked up place. 273 00:15:29,599 --> 00:15:33,186 I would see some kids arrive in these little zipties, 274 00:15:33,353 --> 00:15:35,730 fighting and you know, it would be like a show, 275 00:15:35,730 --> 00:15:37,858 we'd all kind of watch the new kids arriving 276 00:15:37,858 --> 00:15:41,069 and you'd be like, welcome to hell you know? 277 00:15:41,069 --> 00:15:44,573 The ways they got here were traumatic to them. 278 00:15:44,573 --> 00:15:48,076 Then what would happen, they would be strip searched 279 00:15:48,076 --> 00:15:51,329 and it was common and kids did sneak in drugs 280 00:15:51,329 --> 00:15:54,583 and knives and other stuff. 281 00:15:54,749 --> 00:15:56,626 They would sort of like strip you of your identity 282 00:15:56,626 --> 00:15:58,003 kind of like if you had long hair, 283 00:15:58,170 --> 00:16:00,464 they cut it, whether it was a band T-shirt, 284 00:16:00,464 --> 00:16:02,382 or a pair of sneakers that you skate-boarded in, 285 00:16:02,382 --> 00:16:05,385 they didn't allow you to have any sort of individual expression. 286 00:16:05,385 --> 00:16:07,596 We were like caged animals. 287 00:16:07,596 --> 00:16:09,473 There was one guy and he was in there 288 00:16:09,473 --> 00:16:11,641 for raping his mother and I remember one night 289 00:16:11,641 --> 00:16:13,852 over 50 kids went into his room 290 00:16:13,852 --> 00:16:16,396 while he was sleeping and beat the living shit out of him. 291 00:16:16,396 --> 00:16:18,523 There was a lot of kids that would cut themselves 292 00:16:18,690 --> 00:16:20,275 and try to run away. 293 00:16:20,275 --> 00:16:23,904 He told me that the girls would cut themselves 294 00:16:23,904 --> 00:16:26,281 and drink each other's blood. 295 00:16:26,448 --> 00:16:28,658 He told me they had him do arbitrary work, 296 00:16:28,658 --> 00:16:31,119 like dig fucking ditches and fill them back up again. 297 00:16:31,119 --> 00:16:33,872 Like clearing bushes, digging trenches, 298 00:16:33,872 --> 00:16:37,125 moving railroad ties, in these massive blocks, 299 00:16:37,125 --> 00:16:38,919 kind of on the side of the roads, 300 00:16:38,919 --> 00:16:41,546 like warcamp style, building the facility 301 00:16:41,546 --> 00:16:44,007 for the next group of kids, 302 00:16:44,007 --> 00:16:46,760 carrying pitchforks, we were like a little chain gang. 303 00:16:46,927 --> 00:16:48,637 (announcer) You've got to be able to take it. 304 00:16:48,637 --> 00:16:51,181 Your body's got to be able to take it. 305 00:17:06,404 --> 00:17:10,158 At that point I just wanted to destroy everything. 306 00:17:10,158 --> 00:17:11,743 If There was wall in front of me, 307 00:17:11,910 --> 00:17:12,911 I wanted to smash it, 308 00:17:12,911 --> 00:17:14,412 and if there was a person in front of me, 309 00:17:14,412 --> 00:17:16,164 I wanted to smash it, I was so angry 310 00:17:16,164 --> 00:17:17,290 at everything. 311 00:17:18,041 --> 00:17:19,167 I didn't want to be anything, 312 00:17:19,167 --> 00:17:20,794 I just wanted to escape, you know, 313 00:17:20,794 --> 00:17:23,255 Counts of Monte Cristo. 314 00:17:23,421 --> 00:17:25,173 I had a completely different mindset, just like, 315 00:17:25,549 --> 00:17:28,552 being abused and locked up and every night 316 00:17:28,552 --> 00:17:31,263 before you go to bed they make you take all your clothes 317 00:17:31,263 --> 00:17:34,432 off, pick your balls up, bend over, spread your ass cheeks, 318 00:17:34,432 --> 00:17:37,811 open your mouth and the walls of the room you stay 319 00:17:37,811 --> 00:17:41,064 are all painted bright yellow or shades of dark 320 00:17:41,064 --> 00:17:44,192 or weird greenish gray, like hospitals, 321 00:17:44,192 --> 00:17:47,028 jails and psychiatric institutions. 322 00:17:47,028 --> 00:17:49,531 It's all like, the tones of the colors of the walls 323 00:17:49,531 --> 00:17:52,158 try to control you in another way. 324 00:17:52,158 --> 00:17:55,912 This whole fucking bullshit therapeutic trip. 325 00:17:55,912 --> 00:17:59,541 Most of the kids there were there mandatory by court, 326 00:17:59,541 --> 00:18:03,336 you know, but my mother paid for me to go to this place. 327 00:18:03,503 --> 00:18:04,921 Paid. 328 00:18:05,088 --> 00:18:07,799 So eventually my father came because I refused 329 00:18:07,799 --> 00:18:10,176 to have my mother come in. I love my father, 330 00:18:10,176 --> 00:18:11,678 but I stole his wallet, it was my only means 331 00:18:11,678 --> 00:18:13,805 of escaping and I escaped, ran away, 332 00:18:13,805 --> 00:18:16,224 and took the train back to New York, and I lived 333 00:18:16,224 --> 00:18:18,602 in the Projects in the South Bronx. 334 00:18:22,188 --> 00:18:25,108 I can't think of anything that he really did wrong, 335 00:18:25,108 --> 00:18:27,110 but the whole thing of separating all of us 336 00:18:27,110 --> 00:18:29,696 and sending us in different directions 337 00:18:29,696 --> 00:18:31,740 wasn't new, she had always done that, 338 00:18:31,740 --> 00:18:34,451 even when we were kids, we weren't really 339 00:18:34,451 --> 00:18:36,119 allowed to play together. 340 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,622 We had to be in separate rooms. 341 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:44,836 Insane. 342 00:18:45,003 --> 00:18:48,256 But you know, my grandmother is like 75 years old 343 00:18:48,423 --> 00:18:52,719 or something like this and she's super fucking cool. 344 00:18:52,719 --> 00:18:55,472 (dramatic music) 345 00:18:59,643 --> 00:19:01,269 You have to understand 346 00:19:01,269 --> 00:19:04,105 before Dashiell Alexander Whitney Snow was alive, 347 00:19:04,272 --> 00:19:08,860 his family, Christophe alone was very dynamic 348 00:19:08,860 --> 00:19:11,529 in New York and knew Andy Warhol, 349 00:19:11,529 --> 00:19:14,115 dated John Lee Hooker, and would have parties, 350 00:19:14,115 --> 00:19:16,534 she lived in a firehouse. I heard. 351 00:19:16,534 --> 00:19:19,412 And Mick Jagger would come to her parties 352 00:19:19,412 --> 00:19:20,664 and get wasted. 353 00:19:22,290 --> 00:19:27,671 She married Robert Thurman, who was actually much younger 354 00:19:27,671 --> 00:19:31,508 than her, my grandmother was like 35 and he was 19. 355 00:19:35,553 --> 00:19:40,058 He was very involved with the counter culture 356 00:19:40,058 --> 00:19:43,687 and very close to Timothy Leary 357 00:19:43,687 --> 00:19:47,899 and did a lot of experimentation with that kind of stuff. 358 00:19:49,651 --> 00:19:53,405 Ultimately, he decided to become a monk 359 00:19:53,405 --> 00:19:55,782 and he was the first westerner to be ordained 360 00:19:55,782 --> 00:19:57,075 a Buddhist monk. 361 00:19:59,202 --> 00:20:02,080 (unsettling music) 362 00:20:25,603 --> 00:20:28,606 - We didn't really spend that much time with him, 363 00:20:28,606 --> 00:20:31,693 like my mom told us that he was dead. 364 00:20:47,333 --> 00:20:49,878 And you live with your grandma? 365 00:20:49,878 --> 00:20:51,129 And my wife. 366 00:20:51,296 --> 00:20:52,881 And your wife. 367 00:20:52,881 --> 00:20:54,883 And you got married like two years ago? 368 00:20:54,883 --> 00:20:57,886 Like a year and a half ago or something like that. 369 00:21:04,726 --> 00:21:06,144 Is she from here? 370 00:21:06,144 --> 00:21:10,648 Uh-uh, she's from an island in the Pacific. 371 00:21:11,775 --> 00:21:13,276 No, I'll tell you. 372 00:21:33,546 --> 00:21:36,132 The waitress at the restaurant was a graffiti writer. 373 00:22:14,045 --> 00:22:16,464 I was completely in love with her, 374 00:22:16,464 --> 00:22:18,341 she's a pirate like me and I love her, 375 00:22:18,341 --> 00:22:20,176 I will always love her, you know? 376 00:22:20,176 --> 00:22:23,346 He was very sweet always, very nice. 377 00:22:23,346 --> 00:22:25,598 He knew about everything and everybody. 378 00:22:42,740 --> 00:22:45,201 We were at this party and Dash was like 379 00:22:45,368 --> 00:22:47,620 I got something to tell you guys, you don't know about me, 380 00:22:47,620 --> 00:22:49,998 and he broke down the fact that he had descended 381 00:22:49,998 --> 00:22:52,500 from the Schlumberger oil fortune, 382 00:22:52,500 --> 00:22:54,377 which you know, I went home 383 00:22:54,377 --> 00:22:56,212 and looked it up, and figured out, 384 00:22:56,212 --> 00:22:59,465 oh man, this is not only the oil fortune, 385 00:22:59,465 --> 00:23:02,468 it's DIA it's like it's everything. 386 00:23:04,220 --> 00:23:06,014 My great grandmother Dominique 387 00:23:06,180 --> 00:23:11,019 moved to Texas during WWII fleeing from the Nazis, 388 00:23:11,269 --> 00:23:13,897 because John de Menil, her husband 389 00:23:13,897 --> 00:23:16,107 was part of the French resistance, 390 00:23:16,107 --> 00:23:18,151 so were some of her brothers and they had been 391 00:23:18,151 --> 00:23:20,987 sabotaging the Nazi trains. 392 00:23:20,987 --> 00:23:26,159 So they moved to Houston and that's when they started 393 00:23:26,159 --> 00:23:27,911 the Menil Collection. 394 00:23:35,418 --> 00:23:38,671 You have this family that has so much privilege 395 00:23:38,671 --> 00:23:43,176 and yet there wasn't a whole lot of emotional support. 396 00:23:44,761 --> 00:23:46,387 They say blood is thicker than water, 397 00:23:46,554 --> 00:23:47,555 but sometimes it's not. 398 00:23:47,555 --> 00:23:51,559 So I had to find my own family which eventually happened. 399 00:23:56,564 --> 00:23:59,692 (instrumental music) 400 00:24:27,095 --> 00:24:29,722 You know when I met Dash, he was homeless 401 00:24:29,722 --> 00:24:34,727 and I met him and Kunle because they were constantly 402 00:24:34,727 --> 00:24:36,354 at Astor place. 403 00:24:36,354 --> 00:24:39,482 He was sleeping on the subways, and him and Dash 404 00:24:39,482 --> 00:24:41,359 were street kids. 405 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,319 I knew him right when he ran away, 406 00:24:43,486 --> 00:24:45,989 the year that I ran away, it is amazing how we found each other, 407 00:24:45,989 --> 00:24:47,323 I needed to get away from my family, 408 00:24:47,323 --> 00:24:49,367 he needed to get away from his family. 409 00:24:49,367 --> 00:24:51,494 Big up my homie 410 00:24:51,494 --> 00:24:54,372 And we have all this energy and we need to be sort 411 00:24:54,372 --> 00:24:56,749 of be around like-minded people. 412 00:24:56,749 --> 00:24:59,502 Being gay in the suburbs was always really tough 413 00:24:59,502 --> 00:25:01,587 and I felt really misunderstood and I just 414 00:25:01,587 --> 00:25:06,009 felt like I needed to find people that were like me 415 00:25:06,009 --> 00:25:08,011 and that were interested in the same things 416 00:25:08,011 --> 00:25:10,763 that I was interested in. 417 00:25:10,763 --> 00:25:12,390 Being from New Jersey where there's only 418 00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:14,726 one or two kids in each town that skated, 419 00:25:14,726 --> 00:25:17,603 you would link up and go to New York 420 00:25:17,603 --> 00:25:20,481 and you would kind of all skate from the banks 421 00:25:20,481 --> 00:25:24,027 to the sea port, to midtown, skate all over the city. 422 00:25:24,027 --> 00:25:25,737 Once you start coming to New York, 423 00:25:25,737 --> 00:25:27,905 it sort of becomes an addiction. 424 00:25:27,905 --> 00:25:29,532 A lot of these kids in New Jersey would be like, 425 00:25:29,532 --> 00:25:32,368 I can't believe you go to New York and skate all day 426 00:25:32,368 --> 00:25:35,246 and you get chased and you go to raves. 427 00:25:35,246 --> 00:25:37,165 And I would look at them and I would say 428 00:25:37,165 --> 00:25:39,417 I can't believe that you don't. 429 00:25:39,417 --> 00:25:40,418 It was right there, 430 00:25:40,418 --> 00:25:42,045 it's so easy. 431 00:25:42,045 --> 00:25:44,005 And you felt part of the bigger thing 432 00:25:44,005 --> 00:25:47,675 than you did wherever it was you came from. 433 00:25:47,675 --> 00:25:51,304 I think I'm getting addicted to this shit. 434 00:25:53,931 --> 00:25:57,060 Visually they were the most exciting kids, 435 00:25:57,060 --> 00:25:59,062 and I wanted to make a film about that generation 436 00:25:59,062 --> 00:26:01,564 which I knew nothing about. 437 00:26:01,564 --> 00:26:05,818 I met Ryan, after Kids I think, and I met Dash 438 00:26:05,818 --> 00:26:07,570 through Ryan. 439 00:26:07,570 --> 00:26:10,073 I remember crossing the street with Dash 440 00:26:10,073 --> 00:26:12,200 and talking to him, laughing with him 441 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,660 and I felt like I was a teenager. 442 00:26:14,660 --> 00:26:16,412 I'll never forget it. 443 00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:22,043 I actually wrote a screenplay and the premise was 444 00:26:22,043 --> 00:26:23,586 Dash's crew. 445 00:26:25,338 --> 00:26:27,840 Where should I write IRAK? 446 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,301 I couldn't get it produced because no one understood it, 447 00:26:30,301 --> 00:26:31,094 you know? 448 00:26:33,471 --> 00:26:36,099 Silly graffiti writer, just do this. 449 00:26:36,265 --> 00:26:36,974 Ready? 450 00:26:37,141 --> 00:26:40,686 Track mark, Renegade, what else did we have? 451 00:26:40,686 --> 00:26:41,854 Crispy White Kids. 452 00:26:42,021 --> 00:26:43,856 We started a crew for a few days, 453 00:26:43,856 --> 00:26:46,692 Crispy White Kids, but it was one white guy, 454 00:26:46,692 --> 00:26:48,820 a Dominican and a negro. 455 00:26:48,820 --> 00:26:49,612 I wasn't down. 456 00:26:49,612 --> 00:26:50,571 I can't be down. 457 00:26:50,571 --> 00:26:52,240 The crew lasted for one day, man. 458 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,116 It was your crew. 459 00:26:53,116 --> 00:26:53,616 So? 460 00:26:53,616 --> 00:26:56,119 I was trying to put you on, on your own little, 461 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:57,870 you don't remember that? 462 00:26:57,870 --> 00:26:58,830 When I tried to do that for you? 463 00:26:58,830 --> 00:27:00,623 Yeah, IRAK 464 00:27:00,790 --> 00:27:05,086 That's our crew, a few years, a few years. 465 00:27:05,086 --> 00:27:07,130 '99 was when that really kicked off. 466 00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:10,383 It's Kunle's crew, like he started it. 467 00:27:10,383 --> 00:27:12,385 I started stealing shit 468 00:27:12,385 --> 00:27:15,388 and then I met some other graffiti writers 469 00:27:15,388 --> 00:27:17,390 that were into stealing shit and were good at it, 470 00:27:17,390 --> 00:27:19,392 but not as good as me. 471 00:27:19,392 --> 00:27:22,353 Kunle was a booster, he made his money shoplifting, 472 00:27:22,353 --> 00:27:24,981 stealing North Faces, like Enfamil powders 473 00:27:24,981 --> 00:27:27,775 and selling them to Bodega guys and etc, etc. 474 00:27:27,775 --> 00:27:31,154 And it's the closest thing to a job that anybody had. 475 00:27:31,154 --> 00:27:32,113 You'd be walking down the street 476 00:27:32,113 --> 00:27:34,157 with Farsnot and he didn't like the way 477 00:27:34,157 --> 00:27:35,283 he was dressed. 478 00:27:35,283 --> 00:27:38,035 He would go into a store and come out with all different 479 00:27:38,035 --> 00:27:40,746 clothes, he would just leave his clothes there 480 00:27:40,746 --> 00:27:42,665 and take the clothes he wanted. 481 00:27:42,832 --> 00:27:43,791 I'm just good. 482 00:27:43,791 --> 00:27:47,378 Like seriously, everything, cereal, 483 00:27:47,378 --> 00:27:48,629 frying pans, 484 00:27:48,629 --> 00:27:50,923 scuba suits, steak. 485 00:27:50,923 --> 00:27:53,551 Him doing things that were next to magic, 486 00:27:53,551 --> 00:27:56,929 like pulling a chair out of his pant leg, 487 00:27:56,929 --> 00:27:59,056 like a collapsible chair. 488 00:28:02,393 --> 00:28:05,396 They definitely weren't normal graffiti writers 489 00:28:05,396 --> 00:28:07,440 that wore graffiti writing clothes 490 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,444 like they would go out bombing in a $20,000 mink coat, 491 00:28:11,444 --> 00:28:12,778 you know what I'm saying? 492 00:28:12,778 --> 00:28:14,906 They didn't give a fuck about that stuff. 493 00:28:14,906 --> 00:28:17,825 We were a multicultural crew. 494 00:28:17,825 --> 00:28:19,577 Kunle being gay. 495 00:28:19,577 --> 00:28:21,204 You eat a lot of steak huh? 496 00:28:21,204 --> 00:28:23,581 I eat a lot of meat if you know what I mean? 497 00:28:23,748 --> 00:28:26,209 There was zero maturity, you know, that's the person 498 00:28:26,209 --> 00:28:28,586 that we make fun of and they're like, faggot, faggot. 499 00:28:28,586 --> 00:28:30,463 And it's like okay, really, do you want to fight 500 00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:31,589 or something because you got to stop calling 501 00:28:31,589 --> 00:28:32,548 me a faggot, and they're like, 502 00:28:32,548 --> 00:28:33,424 what are you, gay? 503 00:28:33,424 --> 00:28:34,467 And it's like, yeah, and? 504 00:28:34,467 --> 00:28:36,594 And they're like, (laughing). 505 00:28:36,594 --> 00:28:39,305 And then we would fight and I'm just like, 506 00:28:39,305 --> 00:28:40,932 okay, so. 507 00:28:41,682 --> 00:28:43,935 Graffiti is this basically uptight, 508 00:28:43,935 --> 00:28:48,606 homophobic, and just uptight, tough guys, you know? 509 00:28:48,606 --> 00:28:52,944 And Larsnot showed up as like a big pro-gay, 510 00:28:52,944 --> 00:28:56,364 sex-positive graffiti writer and it just really 511 00:28:56,364 --> 00:28:58,491 rejuvenated the whole thing. 512 00:28:58,491 --> 00:29:02,203 It made it, it was like fresh ink in the mop. 513 00:29:02,203 --> 00:29:04,997 That crew was definitely like what New York City 514 00:29:04,997 --> 00:29:05,873 was supposed to be, 515 00:29:05,873 --> 00:29:09,460 the ultimate melting pot of new ideas and experiments. 516 00:29:09,460 --> 00:29:11,629 That was like right when I met him, 517 00:29:11,629 --> 00:29:13,005 I think I ran into him one time 518 00:29:13,172 --> 00:29:15,841 at a party and he was with the whole crew, 519 00:29:16,008 --> 00:29:17,635 and they were acting so crazy, 520 00:29:17,635 --> 00:29:19,845 wearing all this stolen tech gear, 521 00:29:19,845 --> 00:29:21,347 writing tags in the hallways. 522 00:29:21,347 --> 00:29:22,390 They were all like... 523 00:29:22,390 --> 00:29:24,600 (yelling) 524 00:29:26,978 --> 00:29:29,105 After we met, every day and night we painted, 525 00:29:29,105 --> 00:29:32,483 and we'd go to bars after you paint or before, 526 00:29:32,650 --> 00:29:34,652 and started just getting introduced to this crazy 527 00:29:34,652 --> 00:29:36,404 life that Dash lived. 528 00:29:37,905 --> 00:29:40,533 (solemn music) 529 00:30:08,144 --> 00:30:11,939 We're on 7th Street, between 1st and A, 530 00:30:11,939 --> 00:30:14,317 yes, this is Ryan's building. 531 00:30:14,650 --> 00:30:15,818 Yeah. 532 00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:18,946 (upbeat music) 533 00:30:23,326 --> 00:30:25,578 And it was like the kitchen was a mess, 534 00:30:25,578 --> 00:30:28,205 Iced tea all over the place, like cups and stuff 535 00:30:28,205 --> 00:30:30,333 in the sink, it was pretty flop housey, 536 00:30:30,333 --> 00:30:32,084 like a community art studio. 537 00:30:32,084 --> 00:30:34,837 It was like the most fucked up episode of Friends, 538 00:30:34,837 --> 00:30:36,797 or Seinfeld that you've ever seen 539 00:30:36,797 --> 00:30:38,799 where like people were just like in and out, 540 00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:40,426 in and out, all night long. 541 00:30:40,426 --> 00:30:42,970 (upbeat music) 542 00:30:45,931 --> 00:30:50,853 Originally, it was me, and Teddy. 543 00:30:52,605 --> 00:30:54,982 I knew Ryan from high school. 544 00:30:55,149 --> 00:30:57,068 I moved into the city at the end of '97 545 00:30:57,068 --> 00:30:59,612 and then Ryan and I moved together in December 546 00:30:59,612 --> 00:31:01,489 of '98 and that's when all these guys 547 00:31:01,489 --> 00:31:04,492 started washing up on our doorstep. 548 00:31:04,492 --> 00:31:06,744 That was the beginning of it all. 549 00:31:06,744 --> 00:31:09,997 7th Street was our clubhouse. 550 00:31:10,164 --> 00:31:14,460 And then it became me, and Teddy and Dan. 551 00:31:14,627 --> 00:31:16,003 When I think of 7th street, 552 00:31:16,003 --> 00:31:18,255 I really think of like a bunch of people 553 00:31:18,255 --> 00:31:20,091 piled on a bed. 554 00:31:20,091 --> 00:31:22,510 And then Dash moved in for a little bit. 555 00:31:22,510 --> 00:31:24,470 So it was me and Teddy and Dan and Dash. 556 00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:25,763 You'd be on the bed with six people 557 00:31:25,763 --> 00:31:27,264 or you'd take a break and you'd be on the bed 558 00:31:27,264 --> 00:31:28,265 with one person, 559 00:31:28,265 --> 00:31:32,019 all on a very kind of intimate level. 560 00:31:32,019 --> 00:31:34,271 So I would go over to 7th street 561 00:31:34,271 --> 00:31:36,524 and there'd just be like coke on the table 562 00:31:36,524 --> 00:31:38,901 and everybody is ripping and roaring 563 00:31:38,901 --> 00:31:41,237 and nobody wants to photograph a bunch of guys 564 00:31:41,237 --> 00:31:43,406 smoking weed, you know, that's boring. 565 00:31:43,406 --> 00:31:47,868 So let's give Dan Colen some dust and see what happens, 566 00:31:47,868 --> 00:31:50,538 this big floppy motherfucker. 567 00:31:50,538 --> 00:31:52,623 I was really out of that crew, the only person 568 00:31:52,623 --> 00:31:54,166 with a studio practice. 569 00:31:54,166 --> 00:31:55,793 I would come back at the middle of the night, 570 00:31:55,793 --> 00:31:57,670 they would all be making stuff all the time, 571 00:31:57,670 --> 00:31:59,130 their practice, their work happened 572 00:31:59,130 --> 00:32:01,298 amongst people. 573 00:32:01,298 --> 00:32:04,927 At the time Dash was married to the artist 574 00:32:04,927 --> 00:32:06,137 Agathe Snow, 575 00:32:06,554 --> 00:32:09,682 they were the first people to let me into their 576 00:32:09,682 --> 00:32:13,144 love affair, it was so cool to have these two people 577 00:32:13,144 --> 00:32:15,396 that were so comfortable in front of the camera 578 00:32:15,396 --> 00:32:17,815 and I got to photograph their relationship 579 00:32:17,815 --> 00:32:19,442 for years. 580 00:32:19,442 --> 00:32:20,943 You know, the 7th street crib, 581 00:32:20,943 --> 00:32:22,570 that's what that was, people used to be scared 582 00:32:22,570 --> 00:32:25,948 to come after hours, you guys do a lot of drugs there. 583 00:32:25,948 --> 00:32:27,908 But we were also doing a lot of creating, 584 00:32:27,908 --> 00:32:30,828 that was the launch pad of Ryan's career. 585 00:32:30,828 --> 00:32:34,707 Dan Colen's career, Dash Snow's career. 586 00:32:35,082 --> 00:32:38,461 He brought me to the basement of La Poem, 587 00:32:38,461 --> 00:32:41,338 which was his wife's mother's restaurant 588 00:32:41,338 --> 00:32:43,716 and he pulled out from the shadows 589 00:32:43,716 --> 00:32:45,718 this box of Polaroids 590 00:32:45,718 --> 00:32:48,804 and he just showed me thousands of Polaroids. 591 00:32:48,971 --> 00:32:51,223 Dash only shot Polaroids. 592 00:32:54,852 --> 00:32:57,605 Yo, Craig, what do you think, 593 00:32:57,771 --> 00:32:58,981 this shit is ending, 594 00:32:58,981 --> 00:33:01,066 it's always easy for it to turn diagonal 595 00:33:01,066 --> 00:33:02,735 and it's totally not straight, 596 00:33:02,735 --> 00:33:04,069 should I just restart? 597 00:33:04,069 --> 00:33:04,945 Yeah. 598 00:33:04,945 --> 00:33:06,238 You need help man? 599 00:33:06,238 --> 00:33:09,325 Want me to hold it and then you could-- 600 00:33:09,325 --> 00:33:12,495 I guess, I don't know what the fuck. 601 00:33:29,094 --> 00:33:33,516 And then I have some cool Polaroids of Dash's, 602 00:33:33,516 --> 00:33:36,727 I think they're all in this portfolio. 603 00:33:37,895 --> 00:33:40,356 Oh this is an unpleasant one, 604 00:33:40,356 --> 00:33:45,236 but this is Kent and probably Agathe passed out-ish. 605 00:33:45,778 --> 00:33:49,031 Nice composition of bodies. 606 00:33:49,031 --> 00:33:51,784 (paper rustling) 607 00:33:56,121 --> 00:34:00,543 Just Kunle tagging a police barricade in a wheelchair. 608 00:34:00,709 --> 00:34:03,295 Some of his best photos involve Kunle, 609 00:34:03,295 --> 00:34:06,924 I feel like you could say he was a muse. 610 00:34:06,924 --> 00:34:08,926 Like I said, Kunle. 611 00:34:10,427 --> 00:34:14,473 This is a nice... brotherly love photo. 612 00:34:14,932 --> 00:34:16,934 (laughing) 613 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,353 You know, a lot of the Polaroids, 614 00:34:19,353 --> 00:34:21,855 even though they look like accidental moments 615 00:34:21,855 --> 00:34:23,566 are really staged moments 616 00:34:23,566 --> 00:34:25,109 and people wanted to be manipulated 617 00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:28,821 by him because he was so magnetic and they wanted 618 00:34:28,821 --> 00:34:31,115 to spend the evening with him, you know what I mean? 619 00:34:31,115 --> 00:34:35,119 So he had this sway, it's like a natural ability 620 00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:37,496 to direct humans. 621 00:34:38,205 --> 00:34:41,375 There's one absolutely remarkable image, 622 00:34:41,375 --> 00:34:44,503 it's somebody snorting coke 623 00:34:44,503 --> 00:34:48,340 off of Earsnot's erect male member. 624 00:34:48,966 --> 00:34:51,260 Everybody was in it together. 625 00:34:51,260 --> 00:34:54,221 Nobody felt exploited or anything like that, 626 00:34:54,221 --> 00:34:58,267 it was like I can't even match what this guy is doing, 627 00:34:58,267 --> 00:35:01,395 so what's the big deal if I get naked? 628 00:35:01,395 --> 00:35:04,023 This guy is doing coke off of this guy's dick 629 00:35:04,023 --> 00:35:06,650 and I'm worried about getting naked. 630 00:35:06,650 --> 00:35:10,154 We were like, all right, photograph my dick. 631 00:35:10,154 --> 00:35:13,490 So there was a real freedom within all of that. 632 00:35:16,285 --> 00:35:17,995 (paper rustling) This is a nice one. 633 00:35:17,995 --> 00:35:21,248 This is my friend Ry, he has some panties on his face 634 00:35:21,248 --> 00:35:23,417 and he's going through the purse of a lady 635 00:35:23,417 --> 00:35:27,171 whose T-shirt says "Jesus loves you." 636 00:35:27,171 --> 00:35:31,925 She's sleeping and her purse is being explored. 637 00:35:33,761 --> 00:35:36,430 I mean it's partially just being very young 638 00:35:36,430 --> 00:35:38,807 and just reckless and you feel like you could live 639 00:35:38,807 --> 00:35:41,393 forever and this and that but I think also with him 640 00:35:41,393 --> 00:35:43,771 it just seemed like he'd really push it. 641 00:35:48,192 --> 00:35:50,319 It's those moments when you have all the players 642 00:35:50,319 --> 00:35:52,946 and all the characters, and all the attitude, and all the drugs, 643 00:35:52,946 --> 00:35:54,948 and here's the streets, and here's your stage 644 00:35:54,948 --> 00:35:56,909 and the door opens up and it's like somebody 645 00:35:56,909 --> 00:35:58,827 is gonna die tonight. 646 00:35:58,827 --> 00:36:02,206 He's lighting Christmas trees on fire, 647 00:36:02,206 --> 00:36:03,832 and then a car catching fire, 648 00:36:03,832 --> 00:36:05,918 he's a little pyromaniac. 649 00:36:07,294 --> 00:36:10,214 I remember him throwing cans into a fire once 650 00:36:10,214 --> 00:36:11,965 and then exploding. 651 00:36:11,965 --> 00:36:15,594 This is what happens when flames meet aerosol cans. 652 00:36:32,194 --> 00:36:33,112 Yeah, okay. 653 00:36:33,112 --> 00:36:35,698 Not really. Like, imagine being burned. 654 00:36:35,698 --> 00:36:39,368 You know, he didn't have any sort of fear of heights, 655 00:36:39,368 --> 00:36:42,246 I have a picture of us where he's got one foot 656 00:36:42,246 --> 00:36:44,248 on the outside of the building, 657 00:36:44,248 --> 00:36:45,499 the whole rest of his body 658 00:36:45,499 --> 00:36:48,001 is suspended out, I'm just holding his hand 659 00:36:48,001 --> 00:36:51,255 five stories up or something like that. 660 00:36:52,881 --> 00:36:56,385 Dash was a very agile and peculiar, special climber, 661 00:36:56,552 --> 00:36:58,762 he could move in a way that you can't really compare him 662 00:36:58,762 --> 00:37:01,223 to anyone else. Really graceful. 663 00:37:01,390 --> 00:37:03,016 He had smaller feet than I did, 664 00:37:03,016 --> 00:37:04,268 so he would run out on ledges 665 00:37:04,268 --> 00:37:05,644 without a care in the world 666 00:37:05,644 --> 00:37:09,148 and I was super-afraid of him dying or something 667 00:37:09,148 --> 00:37:12,401 or falling, like it made it more worth it for him 668 00:37:12,401 --> 00:37:15,529 if he could almost die doing it. 669 00:37:15,529 --> 00:37:18,031 It felt like you almost just were like fuck it, 670 00:37:18,198 --> 00:37:20,242 like every night, you went out, you almost felt like 671 00:37:20,242 --> 00:37:21,660 you could die. 672 00:37:21,660 --> 00:37:24,872 I mean there's definitely an air of daredevil-ism, 673 00:37:24,872 --> 00:37:27,291 I guess trying to do the most outrageous thing, 674 00:37:27,291 --> 00:37:29,668 like paint the busiest place. 675 00:37:35,424 --> 00:37:37,926 Yeah, some guy did that. 676 00:37:37,926 --> 00:37:39,678 I've seen pictures, it's crazy. 677 00:37:39,678 --> 00:37:40,929 No, it's cool. 678 00:37:41,096 --> 00:37:43,265 I've got a picture of it in my house. 679 00:37:45,058 --> 00:37:47,686 I mean everyone hated Giuliani at that time. 680 00:37:48,020 --> 00:37:50,939 CPR corrupt, prejudiced racists! 681 00:37:51,106 --> 00:37:53,317 No person in the city, especially if you are of color 682 00:37:53,484 --> 00:37:55,569 should have to worry when their children go out 683 00:37:55,569 --> 00:37:57,821 so that they may not be able to come back. 684 00:37:57,988 --> 00:37:59,907 No justice, no peace! 685 00:38:00,157 --> 00:38:02,326 No justice, no peace! 686 00:38:03,827 --> 00:38:06,330 What do you think of Rudy Giuliani? 687 00:38:06,830 --> 00:38:07,706 I mean... 688 00:38:10,334 --> 00:38:11,710 Stupid. 689 00:38:11,710 --> 00:38:13,712 Everyone is going getting arrested for graffiti, 690 00:38:13,712 --> 00:38:14,797 possession. 691 00:38:14,797 --> 00:38:17,216 I'm on 6th Avenue and Prince Street, 692 00:38:17,216 --> 00:38:19,551 and whatever, and they pull me for no reason, 693 00:38:19,551 --> 00:38:22,346 and I had a marker in my pocket, 694 00:38:22,346 --> 00:38:24,556 so it's possession of graffiti instrument 695 00:38:24,556 --> 00:38:26,099 with intent to do it. 696 00:38:26,099 --> 00:38:27,976 So you'd do a night at central booking, 697 00:38:27,976 --> 00:38:29,812 and I have to say, to be honest, 698 00:38:29,812 --> 00:38:31,104 I'm not racist at all, but I'm white 699 00:38:31,104 --> 00:38:32,105 and it helps. 700 00:38:32,272 --> 00:38:34,942 I swear, with every aspect of things. 701 00:38:35,108 --> 00:38:36,610 When they started shutting down the parks at dusk, 702 00:38:36,610 --> 00:38:39,571 where people kind of gather at these places, 703 00:38:39,571 --> 00:38:42,574 that kind of became like the enemy in a weird way 704 00:38:42,574 --> 00:38:45,077 of the quality of life moment in New York City. 705 00:38:45,077 --> 00:38:47,579 So, him and Kunle, and the rest of the IRAK kids, 706 00:38:47,579 --> 00:38:50,749 slammed New York City and especially like Dash. 707 00:38:50,749 --> 00:38:53,502 (upbeat music) 708 00:38:53,502 --> 00:38:55,629 He hit the fucking Brooklyn Bridge. 709 00:38:55,629 --> 00:38:58,632 That's forget about it, right there. 710 00:38:59,591 --> 00:39:01,134 Legalize graffiti. 711 00:39:01,134 --> 00:39:04,221 Dude, it won't happen though, this never would happen. 712 00:39:04,221 --> 00:39:07,891 That would be like the worst thing ever, oh my God. 713 00:39:07,891 --> 00:39:10,727 Because then I'd have to start doing some move-- 714 00:39:10,727 --> 00:39:12,271 Then we'd have to go to art school. 715 00:39:12,271 --> 00:39:13,397 Yeah, right? 716 00:39:14,481 --> 00:39:16,024 Yo, Ben, KS. 717 00:39:17,860 --> 00:39:18,777 Yeah, I don't know. 718 00:39:18,777 --> 00:39:20,904 This guy always wanted to paint the fucking Brooklyn Bridge 719 00:39:21,071 --> 00:39:23,532 because that's an insane thing that only one person 720 00:39:23,532 --> 00:39:26,493 had ever done before and it's a landmark, 721 00:39:26,493 --> 00:39:29,663 and it's dangerous, disrespectful, 722 00:39:29,663 --> 00:39:31,999 it's the fucking Brooklyn Bridge. 723 00:39:31,999 --> 00:39:34,751 (upbeat music) 724 00:39:34,918 --> 00:39:36,670 The cars are underneath you so there's bars 725 00:39:36,670 --> 00:39:38,422 that go across to the ledge, 726 00:39:38,422 --> 00:39:41,925 and you just run across the bar and then he jumped up 727 00:39:41,925 --> 00:39:43,802 there and painted, "Fuck Giuliani", 728 00:39:43,802 --> 00:39:45,554 and he probably had to look up how to spell 729 00:39:45,554 --> 00:39:46,930 Giuliani's name. 730 00:39:46,930 --> 00:39:49,433 Dash just went up there, took off all his clothes, 731 00:39:49,433 --> 00:39:51,143 facing the water, he's like yeah. 732 00:39:51,143 --> 00:39:53,437 Whatever, it would have been so nice to jump off 733 00:39:53,437 --> 00:39:55,772 into the water if you wouldn't die, you know? 734 00:39:55,772 --> 00:39:57,691 We went to party after that, we went to 735 00:39:57,691 --> 00:39:59,902 Cherry Tavern or something and stayed up all night. 736 00:39:59,902 --> 00:40:01,820 We were telling people to look at it, 737 00:40:01,820 --> 00:40:04,448 joggers and they're just like, leave me alone. 738 00:40:04,448 --> 00:40:06,199 What are you talking about, because we thought 739 00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:07,451 it was so cool. 740 00:40:08,035 --> 00:40:10,037 (upbeat music) 741 00:40:10,203 --> 00:40:12,331 Shit, I don't know how I would feel now 742 00:40:12,331 --> 00:40:14,833 as a 37-year-old man if there's some fucking 743 00:40:14,833 --> 00:40:16,960 asshole defacing the bridge 744 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,962 and I had no insider knowledge, 745 00:40:18,962 --> 00:40:21,423 but at the time, it was pretty glorious, 746 00:40:21,423 --> 00:40:23,800 it was a really fucking fantastic, amazing, 747 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,594 legendary thing to do. 748 00:40:26,970 --> 00:40:28,472 (laughing) 749 00:40:28,472 --> 00:40:29,348 Glorious. 750 00:40:29,514 --> 00:40:33,977 Plus also, because you know, Giuliani is such a-- 751 00:40:34,603 --> 00:40:36,730 Yeah, such a fucking dick. 752 00:41:30,409 --> 00:41:33,745 (police sirens blaring) 753 00:41:34,663 --> 00:41:37,666 (people chattering) 754 00:41:37,666 --> 00:41:39,751 - I've never seen anything like this, 755 00:41:39,918 --> 00:41:42,504 you'd see movies, but they said they were movies, 756 00:41:42,504 --> 00:41:45,298 but this, did you know there were people jumping off? 757 00:41:45,298 --> 00:41:46,633 That's what I heard. 758 00:41:46,633 --> 00:41:49,136 And the guy said he saw six of them jump, 759 00:41:49,136 --> 00:41:50,804 one after the other. 760 00:42:08,655 --> 00:42:10,949 (screaming) 761 00:42:36,725 --> 00:42:37,976 What are you gonna do? 762 00:42:37,976 --> 00:42:39,186 Michael! 763 00:42:40,228 --> 00:42:42,481 - Go east! - I'm not going in this building, 764 00:42:43,482 --> 00:42:45,358 Go east, go right 765 00:42:46,193 --> 00:42:46,985 Go to the river 766 00:42:50,072 --> 00:42:51,740 Everything is falling down 767 00:42:54,367 --> 00:42:55,952 They all went this way. 768 00:43:07,756 --> 00:43:11,218 My generation, the formative experience, 769 00:43:11,384 --> 00:43:14,721 the shock that changed our world view 770 00:43:14,721 --> 00:43:20,352 was the Kennedy assassination and for people 771 00:43:20,644 --> 00:43:24,397 Dash's age who were in New York City 772 00:43:24,898 --> 00:43:28,902 during 9/11, that was cataclysmic. 773 00:43:28,902 --> 00:43:31,655 (sirens blaring) 774 00:43:37,661 --> 00:43:41,915 Downtown was basically a war zone, 775 00:43:41,915 --> 00:43:45,252 and from Houston street downward, 776 00:43:45,252 --> 00:43:50,048 it was just blocked off, it was toxic, 777 00:43:50,048 --> 00:43:54,302 and this cloud remained for weeks and... 778 00:43:55,053 --> 00:43:58,682 every sensitive person was affected. 779 00:43:59,015 --> 00:44:02,435 A lot of people saw the twin towers, 780 00:44:02,435 --> 00:44:05,188 not just saw on TV, but saw it and maybe even 781 00:44:05,188 --> 00:44:07,149 found themselves running from it 782 00:44:07,315 --> 00:44:09,818 if you lived in lower Manhattan. 783 00:44:11,069 --> 00:44:13,405 And of course that had a very profound impact 784 00:44:13,405 --> 00:44:16,283 on the art of Dash and his friends, 785 00:44:16,283 --> 00:44:19,286 the love of detritus, of garbage, 786 00:44:19,286 --> 00:44:24,291 of ruins, those things would exist apart from 9/11. 787 00:44:24,833 --> 00:44:29,838 But given that fact, they have another connotation as well, 788 00:44:29,838 --> 00:44:32,841 something thrilling about man as an apocalypse 789 00:44:33,008 --> 00:44:35,594 would come across in their work. 790 00:44:39,181 --> 00:44:41,975 After the towers had fallen, 791 00:44:41,975 --> 00:44:44,227 we all went down on our BMX bikes 792 00:44:44,227 --> 00:44:46,563 and we wanted to see what was going on 793 00:44:46,563 --> 00:44:48,982 and just see what we could do. 794 00:44:48,982 --> 00:44:52,569 Everything sort of felt like this photograph to me. 795 00:44:54,863 --> 00:44:58,325 Actually I was in jail overnight, 796 00:44:58,325 --> 00:44:59,743 but I remember being in bookings 797 00:44:59,743 --> 00:45:01,077 and the towers having gone done, 798 00:45:01,244 --> 00:45:02,996 and the CO is coming and being like, 799 00:45:02,996 --> 00:45:04,497 "Oh the country's at war. 800 00:45:04,497 --> 00:45:07,125 You're all in here indefinitely." 801 00:45:07,751 --> 00:45:09,878 I remember coming out and it felt different, 802 00:45:09,878 --> 00:45:13,590 it felt like you had descended into the catacombs. 803 00:45:13,590 --> 00:45:17,093 I have no idea if that moment in time marked 804 00:45:17,093 --> 00:45:19,262 something for our personal psychologies 805 00:45:19,262 --> 00:45:20,513 or you know, 806 00:45:20,513 --> 00:45:22,849 us as a group, but we always lived in sort of a space 807 00:45:23,016 --> 00:45:25,101 that felt disastrous. 808 00:45:25,101 --> 00:45:28,355 Like we were living at the end of the world. 809 00:45:29,022 --> 00:45:31,274 (solemn music) 810 00:45:31,524 --> 00:45:34,110 The paper, I think both of us were shocked 811 00:45:34,110 --> 00:45:36,112 by how paper survived. 812 00:45:36,112 --> 00:45:38,281 We were totally abandoned there for a while, 813 00:45:38,448 --> 00:45:42,494 but what happened was the eye of the world came there. 814 00:45:42,786 --> 00:45:44,871 And New York starts changing after that, 815 00:45:44,871 --> 00:45:46,248 there's American flags everywhere 816 00:45:46,248 --> 00:45:47,916 and then it becomes America. 817 00:45:47,916 --> 00:45:51,670 20 blocks below 14th street, nobody wanted to be into, 818 00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:55,048 three years after 9/11 and it becomes the one place 819 00:45:55,215 --> 00:45:57,133 that everyone wants to be at. 820 00:45:57,300 --> 00:45:59,678 ♪ Through the perilous fight ♪ 821 00:45:59,678 --> 00:46:04,683 ♪ O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming ♪ 822 00:46:05,934 --> 00:46:09,062 (tender guitar music) 823 00:46:11,940 --> 00:46:15,277 (train tracks rumbling) 824 00:46:58,945 --> 00:47:01,323 The world is coming to an end one day 825 00:47:01,489 --> 00:47:03,450 and we all got to stay strong because this is God 826 00:47:03,450 --> 00:47:05,076 sending a message to the world, 827 00:47:05,076 --> 00:47:07,203 now we got to stick together and help one another, 828 00:47:07,370 --> 00:47:08,246 ain't that funny? 829 00:47:08,413 --> 00:47:10,373 My name's Steve, yo. 830 00:47:11,458 --> 00:47:14,002 (upbeat music) 831 00:47:19,841 --> 00:47:22,260 Around 9/11 when we were all together 832 00:47:22,260 --> 00:47:24,387 and in that bubble, when the outside world 833 00:47:24,387 --> 00:47:26,639 was just crumbling, all we could do is party anyways, 834 00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:28,641 and create this amazing family and I felt it was so much 835 00:47:28,641 --> 00:47:32,479 like the Great Depression but it was kind of a moral 836 00:47:32,479 --> 00:47:35,857 depression, my security was these people. 837 00:47:35,857 --> 00:47:38,401 (upbeat music) 838 00:47:41,237 --> 00:47:43,990 Like 365 people came that day, 839 00:47:44,157 --> 00:47:45,784 it's a lot of people and at the same time, 840 00:47:45,784 --> 00:47:47,911 I'm just like, every single one of these people 841 00:47:47,911 --> 00:47:49,245 has a reason to keep moving. 842 00:47:49,245 --> 00:47:51,164 I mean that's the thing, what keeps you moving, 843 00:47:51,331 --> 00:47:53,291 you know, what moves you? 844 00:47:53,792 --> 00:47:56,795 Things that last, like what lasts of everything? 845 00:47:56,795 --> 00:47:58,797 It's that community, there's nothing more powerful 846 00:47:58,797 --> 00:48:00,048 than community. 847 00:48:01,007 --> 00:48:03,551 (upbeat music) 848 00:48:05,637 --> 00:48:07,806 (guitar music and singing) 849 00:48:55,937 --> 00:48:57,230 Where are you guys walking? 850 00:48:57,397 --> 00:48:58,982 I'm walking to A-life. 851 00:48:59,607 --> 00:49:02,235 I'm walking to West Broadway. 852 00:49:03,486 --> 00:49:05,572 I was taking pictures for a long time 853 00:49:05,572 --> 00:49:07,073 before I show anybody, you know, 854 00:49:07,073 --> 00:49:08,366 like taking a lot of Polaroids 855 00:49:08,366 --> 00:49:10,326 I have boxes and boxes in my house. 856 00:49:10,326 --> 00:49:12,871 'Cause at the time it was like illegal life, you know 857 00:49:12,871 --> 00:49:16,374 like stealing drugs for money, all this shit, you know 858 00:49:16,374 --> 00:49:20,253 like not making any sort of a legitimate funds or anything 859 00:49:20,253 --> 00:49:22,589 not living very good either. 860 00:49:23,631 --> 00:49:25,008 And a lot of people were saying 861 00:49:25,008 --> 00:49:26,134 you should show these pictures. 862 00:49:26,134 --> 00:49:27,469 You could sell them, blah, blah, blah. 863 00:49:27,469 --> 00:49:29,387 But for me it really felt like 864 00:49:29,387 --> 00:49:32,515 an impure gesture to submit this to the world. 865 00:49:32,515 --> 00:49:33,892 Like this is not for anyone. 866 00:49:33,892 --> 00:49:34,726 This is for us. 867 00:49:34,726 --> 00:49:37,228 And it's too pure of a moment. 868 00:49:38,271 --> 00:49:40,231 It's hard to proclaim yourself, you know, 869 00:49:40,231 --> 00:49:43,485 something when you don't necessarily understand who you are. 870 00:49:43,485 --> 00:49:46,279 Graffiti only touches upon art in a way. 871 00:49:46,279 --> 00:49:48,114 And it's sort of a dirty intersection 872 00:49:48,114 --> 00:49:50,992 but there was an Avenue C apartment at some point in time. 873 00:49:51,159 --> 00:49:52,535 And that place was like the inside 874 00:49:52,702 --> 00:49:54,412 of his mind turned out. 875 00:50:04,005 --> 00:50:06,799 And you may have even been there at some point in time. 876 00:50:06,966 --> 00:50:08,301 It was a little apartment. 877 00:50:08,301 --> 00:50:11,054 It had, I remember these like little arched entryways. 878 00:50:18,186 --> 00:50:21,064 (guitar music and singing) 879 00:50:52,095 --> 00:50:54,097 The things that were on his wall were predictive 880 00:50:54,264 --> 00:50:56,975 of what his work would actually become. 881 00:51:04,566 --> 00:51:07,819 I mean, you've seen Dan's recreation. 882 00:51:07,986 --> 00:51:09,862 That's where I started being like, you know 883 00:51:09,862 --> 00:51:12,115 all this shit is like art, right? 884 00:51:12,282 --> 00:51:13,866 I mean, things would assemble, you know 885 00:51:14,033 --> 00:51:15,618 like literally sculptures would come together 886 00:51:15,618 --> 00:51:16,869 and I was like, well 887 00:51:16,869 --> 00:51:18,871 I just don't know what else to fucking call 888 00:51:18,871 --> 00:51:20,873 like a birdhouse that you dragged to your house 889 00:51:20,873 --> 00:51:24,627 that you collected crab claws and put them 890 00:51:24,627 --> 00:51:27,380 arranged them around the birdhouse as swastikas. 891 00:51:27,380 --> 00:51:29,632 It's just like, that's a sculpture. 892 00:51:31,092 --> 00:51:33,386 I was going to call that the heartbreak hotel 893 00:51:33,553 --> 00:51:35,597 and then I was going to call it the sugar shack. 894 00:51:35,597 --> 00:51:38,016 And then I settled for a pretty crazy name, 895 00:51:38,016 --> 00:51:40,602 but it's called "I can't even imagine the moment 896 00:51:40,602 --> 00:51:44,022 "the white men land and they fall into nothingness." 897 00:51:47,525 --> 00:51:49,027 It's interesting, I think, like I said, 898 00:51:49,193 --> 00:51:53,031 in collecting all of this ephemera and items, you know, 899 00:51:53,031 --> 00:51:56,784 that it helped him to define himself 900 00:51:56,784 --> 00:51:59,912 more so, you know, or create a persona that he felt more 901 00:51:59,912 --> 00:52:02,665 comfortable with or more at home with then 902 00:52:02,665 --> 00:52:05,877 you know, SACL, you know, graffiti writing Dash. 903 00:52:06,044 --> 00:52:07,670 It was like 50 bucks, I was like 40 904 00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:08,796 He's like deal. 905 00:52:08,796 --> 00:52:10,298 He's like, he's like, "You're making a movie?" 906 00:52:10,298 --> 00:52:11,132 "Is that a prop?" 907 00:52:11,299 --> 00:52:12,884 I was like hell yeah. 908 00:52:12,884 --> 00:52:14,677 Did you walk down 6th Avenue with that 909 00:52:14,677 --> 00:52:16,179 like on your shoulder? 910 00:52:16,179 --> 00:52:19,307 He gave me a garbage bag and I did walk down 6th ave. 911 00:52:21,392 --> 00:52:23,936 Dash's first show was at Rivington Arms 912 00:52:23,936 --> 00:52:26,689 And they gave him the space and he filled it up. 913 00:52:26,856 --> 00:52:29,025 He put the disgusting couch in it. 914 00:52:29,025 --> 00:52:30,943 These are all Dash Snow's things? 915 00:52:30,943 --> 00:52:31,778 Yes. 916 00:52:32,445 --> 00:52:35,323 This leather, just like the grossest, 917 00:52:35,490 --> 00:52:38,451 like middle America, dad couch, 918 00:52:38,451 --> 00:52:41,454 or like something that was easily cleanable 919 00:52:41,454 --> 00:52:44,040 with like a rag of some sort. 920 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,085 And there was this guy named Papa Smurf, who was always 921 00:52:47,251 --> 00:52:48,586 around the Lower Fast Side. 922 00:52:48,586 --> 00:52:52,340 You should get a job making people nervous. 923 00:52:52,340 --> 00:52:54,342 Hey Cheryl, this is Papa Smurf. 924 00:52:54,342 --> 00:52:55,927 - My man. - Papa Smurf. 925 00:52:55,927 --> 00:52:57,845 Hi, how are you? 926 00:52:57,845 --> 00:52:58,680 Cheryl. 927 00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,934 And he invited Papa Smurf to the opening to sit 928 00:53:02,934 --> 00:53:03,976 on the couch. 929 00:53:04,602 --> 00:53:07,689 I think the gallerists were like appalled. 930 00:53:29,001 --> 00:53:30,878 Does he live around here? 931 00:53:33,715 --> 00:53:36,592 (Papa Smurf singing) 932 00:53:38,636 --> 00:53:42,098 But that was like, all my photos since I was 16 years old, 933 00:53:42,098 --> 00:53:44,016 narrowed it down to that. 934 00:53:44,183 --> 00:53:48,354 ♪ It may be too late for me to say goodbye ♪ 935 00:53:48,354 --> 00:53:52,650 ♪ And it may be too late to watch this sick, old city die ♪ 936 00:53:52,650 --> 00:53:54,902 ♪ Going on the road ♪ 937 00:53:54,902 --> 00:53:57,613 ♪ Yeah, I'm going to try to say ♪ 938 00:53:57,613 --> 00:54:02,034 ♪ Sick City so long, goodbye and die ♪ 939 00:54:12,128 --> 00:54:15,131 (people chattering) 940 00:54:30,313 --> 00:54:31,939 I always thought that these zines 941 00:54:31,939 --> 00:54:35,193 were actually the most complete expression of his work 942 00:54:35,193 --> 00:54:38,946 in a way, that it was most suited to book format 943 00:54:38,946 --> 00:54:41,032 which is strange because a lot of his time 944 00:54:41,199 --> 00:54:43,701 was spent pulling things out of books effectively 945 00:54:43,701 --> 00:54:46,954 or out of magazines and out of the papers. 946 00:54:46,954 --> 00:54:49,040 He would always make a copy 947 00:54:49,207 --> 00:54:52,084 and he'd find me and bring it to me. 948 00:54:53,711 --> 00:54:56,839 My mind has finally accepted that it's right. 949 00:54:57,006 --> 00:54:58,090 Volume one. 950 00:54:58,591 --> 00:55:01,844 And I can't remember what sequence these came in. 951 00:55:03,471 --> 00:55:05,973 I think the imperative of art is, well 952 00:55:05,973 --> 00:55:08,309 John Baldessari would say it's not to be boring 953 00:55:08,476 --> 00:55:11,938 but it is to change our view of the world. 954 00:55:11,938 --> 00:55:16,692 And you're not going to do that without troubling people. 955 00:55:18,820 --> 00:55:23,199 I think for those like Dan and Nate and Ryan 956 00:55:23,366 --> 00:55:24,742 who had formal training, 957 00:55:24,742 --> 00:55:26,702 I think that the punk aspect 958 00:55:26,702 --> 00:55:30,832 of what Dash brought to the table in that he, 959 00:55:30,998 --> 00:55:33,125 he didn't have any of that background. 960 00:55:33,125 --> 00:55:36,254 And he didn't know what he was doing and 961 00:55:36,254 --> 00:55:39,340 or maintained that he didn't know what he doing. 962 00:55:39,507 --> 00:55:41,467 And he maintained that he didn't give a fuck either. 963 00:55:41,634 --> 00:55:45,388 So that was a good sort of chemistry for those other guys 964 00:55:45,388 --> 00:55:48,015 who literally just come out of school essentially, 965 00:55:48,015 --> 00:55:50,476 and were steeped in all this sort of art 966 00:55:50,643 --> 00:55:53,729 historical knowledge and practice and all the rest of it. 967 00:55:53,896 --> 00:55:55,398 And there was Dash saying, 968 00:55:55,398 --> 00:55:57,149 "Fuck it, you don't have to do that." 969 00:55:57,149 --> 00:55:59,777 "You can be an artist and roam the streets." 970 00:55:59,944 --> 00:56:02,655 That was what I think we don't have now. 971 00:56:02,655 --> 00:56:07,535 There was a very sort of feral way of roving in packs, 972 00:56:07,535 --> 00:56:09,912 and discovering things and discovering the city 973 00:56:09,912 --> 00:56:13,124 and finding new ways to cause trouble. 974 00:56:14,917 --> 00:56:16,252 Are you nervous? 975 00:56:16,502 --> 00:56:19,881 Not nervous, but we are going to get a lot of people. 976 00:56:20,673 --> 00:56:25,136 Art is generally collected by people 977 00:56:25,553 --> 00:56:28,180 who have followed the rules, 978 00:56:28,180 --> 00:56:32,184 and they have relatively conventional lives. 979 00:56:32,184 --> 00:56:36,439 But a number of them really wish that they could be 980 00:56:36,439 --> 00:56:39,650 like Jean-Michel Basquiat or Dash 981 00:56:39,817 --> 00:56:41,527 that they could let it all go, 982 00:56:41,694 --> 00:56:45,197 that they could drink themselves into a stupor. 983 00:56:45,197 --> 00:56:46,824 They could get high. 984 00:56:46,824 --> 00:56:49,535 So collectors do like the idea 985 00:56:49,535 --> 00:56:54,081 of collecting the work of misbehaving, bad boy artists. 986 00:56:57,084 --> 00:56:58,336 I just got here. 987 00:56:58,336 --> 00:57:00,046 - Really? - An hour ago 988 00:57:00,046 --> 00:57:01,923 You've had a long journey, huh. 989 00:57:02,715 --> 00:57:04,842 Me and Dash traveled like the world together. 990 00:57:05,009 --> 00:57:07,720 Strangely there's weird pressures put on 991 00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:12,975 by the art world to be crazy, to live outrageously, 992 00:57:12,975 --> 00:57:15,061 to do a lot of drugs. 993 00:57:15,061 --> 00:57:17,480 In somebody like Dash's case, 994 00:57:18,356 --> 00:57:21,192 you would show up in fucking Tokyo 995 00:57:21,192 --> 00:57:23,069 and there'd be cocaine waiting for you. 996 00:57:23,235 --> 00:57:25,112 And you'd go, "Well hey, 997 00:57:25,112 --> 00:57:26,864 "I thought this was like really hard to get here 998 00:57:26,864 --> 00:57:27,990 "and like super illegal." 999 00:57:28,157 --> 00:57:29,867 And they'd be like, "I know." 1000 00:57:29,867 --> 00:57:31,243 They would be so into it. 1001 00:57:31,243 --> 00:57:33,371 You know, like we're going to get crazy. 1002 00:57:33,371 --> 00:57:36,248 And also these galleries would fly out 1003 00:57:36,248 --> 00:57:40,503 your whole entourage just to make it more exciting. 1004 00:57:41,379 --> 00:57:42,588 What up, dude? 1005 00:57:43,881 --> 00:57:44,757 What's going on? 1006 00:57:44,757 --> 00:57:46,634 I'm just running into Nate right now. 1007 00:57:46,801 --> 00:57:48,386 But that's who you ended up hanging out with. 1008 00:57:48,386 --> 00:57:49,220 You'd never really, 1009 00:57:49,387 --> 00:57:52,139 you didn't go to these art dinners and spread out. 1010 00:57:52,139 --> 00:57:53,849 You still just stayed in your little circle 1011 00:57:53,849 --> 00:57:56,018 and talk about this art dinner and, 1012 00:57:56,018 --> 00:57:57,395 "Hey, who has drugs?" 1013 00:57:57,561 --> 00:57:58,854 And that kind of a thing. 1014 00:57:59,021 --> 00:58:01,774 You know, that shit's fun for a night or two, 1015 00:58:01,774 --> 00:58:06,529 but eventually you just feel like you're being put on stage 1016 00:58:06,529 --> 00:58:08,406 and playing a part. 1017 00:58:12,660 --> 00:58:16,122 The bad boy thing is a disruptive thing, 1018 00:58:16,288 --> 00:58:18,040 blaming them for that behavior 1019 00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,293 and that attitude is a little bit unfair. 1020 00:58:21,293 --> 00:58:23,379 If the fact that they happened to be all white 1021 00:58:23,546 --> 00:58:26,298 and predominantly male is something 1022 00:58:26,298 --> 00:58:27,925 that wasn't their responsibility, 1023 00:58:28,092 --> 00:58:30,678 but it was probably the people like me 1024 00:58:30,845 --> 00:58:33,305 and curators who supported them. 1025 00:58:33,305 --> 00:58:36,684 I think we take responsibility for them. 1026 00:58:38,644 --> 00:58:41,188 You know, I remember that New Yorker magazine 1027 00:58:41,188 --> 00:58:43,566 or New York magazine where they were trying to follow 1028 00:58:43,566 --> 00:58:45,526 around Ryan, Dash and Dan. 1029 00:58:45,526 --> 00:58:47,403 And Dash hated that shit. 1030 00:58:47,570 --> 00:58:50,031 And he was avoiding it like the plague, 1031 00:58:50,031 --> 00:58:51,949 but of course in avoiding these things 1032 00:58:51,949 --> 00:58:53,826 they get to write whatever they want. 1033 00:58:53,993 --> 00:58:55,828 So, he was kind of screwed either way, 1034 00:58:55,828 --> 00:58:57,580 and they wrote whatever they wanted. 1035 00:58:57,580 --> 00:58:59,832 And Dash hated the article. 1036 00:59:07,715 --> 00:59:11,844 He didn't live for the limelight, that's for sure. 1037 00:59:11,844 --> 00:59:14,221 Was it fun to be on the cover of New York magazine 1038 00:59:14,221 --> 00:59:17,349 with Ryan and Dan in bed? 1039 00:59:17,516 --> 00:59:20,311 Maybe in a way, it's a cool cover. 1040 00:59:20,561 --> 00:59:22,730 And the story was horrible. 1041 00:59:23,105 --> 00:59:25,483 It created a distorted story 1042 00:59:25,649 --> 00:59:29,820 of this scion of a wealthy family 1043 00:59:29,820 --> 00:59:34,617 who was slumming in the art scene. 1044 00:59:35,951 --> 00:59:38,329 Suddenly he's propelled to the front of the pack 1045 00:59:38,496 --> 00:59:39,997 in the art world. 1046 00:59:40,164 --> 00:59:41,999 You know, suddenly getting all the accolades, 1047 00:59:42,166 --> 00:59:44,960 show at the Whitney, the auction results. 1048 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,380 His collaborators are suddenly right there with him. 1049 00:59:49,256 --> 00:59:51,467 (people chattering) 1050 00:59:51,634 --> 00:59:53,010 You know, his mother is someone, 1051 00:59:53,177 --> 00:59:54,220 his grandmother is someone. 1052 00:59:54,386 --> 00:59:55,471 So what? 1053 00:59:55,638 --> 00:59:57,139 You know, I think Manet was, 1054 00:59:57,306 --> 01:00:00,643 his mother was the goddaughter of the King of Sweden. 1055 01:00:00,976 --> 01:00:02,770 Do you not like Manet? 1056 01:00:02,770 --> 01:00:04,271 (laughing) 1057 01:00:04,438 --> 01:00:06,273 He was a rich kid, too. 1058 01:00:09,902 --> 01:00:12,488 All these people who didn't know him 1059 01:00:12,655 --> 01:00:15,866 have invented some false image 1060 01:00:15,866 --> 01:00:19,912 of sort of some pretentious trust fund kid 1061 01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:22,414 who was playing being an artist. 1062 01:00:22,414 --> 01:00:26,127 It's something about Dash rebelling 1063 01:00:26,293 --> 01:00:29,171 against his rich art world family 1064 01:00:29,171 --> 01:00:32,383 by becoming a rich artist, sort of backfired. 1065 01:00:32,550 --> 01:00:34,802 To be in the press was to also be kind of connected 1066 01:00:34,802 --> 01:00:35,678 to his lineage. 1067 01:00:35,678 --> 01:00:37,555 And I think it was painful. 1068 01:00:37,721 --> 01:00:39,014 This was kind of the beginning 1069 01:00:39,181 --> 01:00:41,058 of the crew being brought into the forefront. 1070 01:00:41,058 --> 01:00:44,061 Now this photo is in, what is it the Whitney? 1071 01:00:44,061 --> 01:00:45,020 Permanent collection, right? 1072 01:00:45,187 --> 01:00:46,272 Yeah. 1073 01:00:46,272 --> 01:00:48,399 And I'd say, who would've knew? 1074 01:00:48,399 --> 01:00:51,152 Yeah, we are just a bunch of fucking animals. 1075 01:00:51,318 --> 01:00:54,530 And I feel like they've gotten obsessed because you know 1076 01:00:54,697 --> 01:00:58,075 these guys blew to meteoric proportions 1077 01:00:58,242 --> 01:00:59,827 in a short amount of time. 1078 01:00:59,827 --> 01:01:01,912 All of a sudden, no one's writing about Dash. 1079 01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:03,831 They're writing about some phenomenon 1080 01:01:03,831 --> 01:01:05,916 that Dash represents to them. 1081 01:01:06,083 --> 01:01:10,171 And it's like, he's like lost in all the writing. 1082 01:01:10,171 --> 01:01:13,299 I think he thought that that was a great quote. 1083 01:01:13,465 --> 01:01:15,092 That was a review of his work, right? 1084 01:01:15,259 --> 01:01:16,177 Yeah, yeah. 1085 01:01:16,343 --> 01:01:18,220 But I think he saw the humor in it. 1086 01:01:18,220 --> 01:01:21,849 I was there the day that Dash made the film 1087 01:01:21,849 --> 01:01:25,728 of all the male hustlers jerking off onto the lightbox 1088 01:01:25,728 --> 01:01:31,442 They gave the hustlers plenty of drugs, plenty of magazines 1089 01:01:31,609 --> 01:01:35,070 and DVDs to watch to get ready to jerk off. 1090 01:01:35,863 --> 01:01:38,866 Dash came to me at some point through the day, 1091 01:01:38,866 --> 01:01:41,118 he goes, "I don't know what's wrong with these guys." 1092 01:01:41,118 --> 01:01:42,995 "They're not professionals." 1093 01:01:42,995 --> 01:01:44,747 "None of them can work under pressure." 1094 01:01:44,914 --> 01:01:46,624 "Cause none of the guys could get hard, 1095 01:01:46,624 --> 01:01:48,584 because they had done too many drugs. 1096 01:01:48,751 --> 01:01:50,127 But Dash was really upset. 1097 01:01:50,127 --> 01:01:53,589 Like a director like, "I'm working with amateurs." 1098 01:01:53,756 --> 01:01:54,757 I remember him saying. 1099 01:01:54,924 --> 01:01:56,008 It was great. 1100 01:01:57,635 --> 01:01:59,386 ♪ Your city's a sucker ♪ 1101 01:01:59,595 --> 01:02:01,388 ♪ Your city's a sucker ♪ 1102 01:02:02,264 --> 01:02:05,517 ♪ Your city's a sucker ♪ 1103 01:02:06,602 --> 01:02:08,145 One dollar, one dollar 1104 01:02:08,729 --> 01:02:09,772 (people chattering) 1105 01:02:09,772 --> 01:02:11,232 Fifty dollars 1106 01:02:11,523 --> 01:02:14,151 (voice of George W. Bush) Our military at home and around the world 1107 01:02:14,318 --> 01:02:16,237 is on high alert status. 1108 01:02:16,403 --> 01:02:19,740 We will do whatever is necessary to protect America. 1109 01:02:19,740 --> 01:02:22,868 We will show the world that we will pass this test. 1110 01:02:23,035 --> 01:02:24,245 Cod bless. 1111 01:02:24,411 --> 01:02:26,538 I think we've just had gone into Afghanistan. 1112 01:02:26,705 --> 01:02:28,874 The first thing that comes back when the country 1113 01:02:29,041 --> 01:02:31,168 has been demolished is probably the drugs. 1114 01:02:31,168 --> 01:02:34,129 And I thought, okay, I bet in like a year or two 1115 01:02:34,296 --> 01:02:37,675 it will be heroin because that country produces it. 1116 01:02:37,675 --> 01:02:41,553 And about a year or two later, everyone's doing heroin. 1117 01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:43,430 I was always an uptown guy 1118 01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:45,182 like C train all the way, 1119 01:02:45,182 --> 01:02:47,643 cocaine to the motherfucking brain. 1120 01:02:47,810 --> 01:02:50,020 But these guys were taking the D downtown 1121 01:02:50,187 --> 01:02:52,439 and I wasn't a dopey guy. 1122 01:02:52,439 --> 01:02:54,024 The Lower Last Side was, you know 1123 01:02:54,191 --> 01:02:55,150 Avenue A was fine. 1124 01:02:55,317 --> 01:02:57,820 B eh, C eh, D don't go there. 1125 01:02:58,195 --> 01:03:00,656 Like we used to go buy drugs on D. 1126 01:03:00,823 --> 01:03:02,324 We used to buy drugs on C at the bodega. 1127 01:03:02,491 --> 01:03:04,201 I used to buy cocaine in a pet store on Clinton street. 1128 01:03:04,368 --> 01:03:06,537 I used to buy weed at a juice bar on St. Mark's. 1129 01:03:06,704 --> 01:03:09,581 Laundromat, the laundromat on ave. C sold dope. 1130 01:03:09,748 --> 01:03:10,708 Everyone hung out here 1131 01:03:10,708 --> 01:03:13,085 'cause there was, we just went to the bars around here 1132 01:03:13,252 --> 01:03:15,713 you know, and everyone did coke 1133 01:03:16,547 --> 01:03:17,923 and everyone's just like hanging out 1134 01:03:18,090 --> 01:03:19,675 and drinking and doing coke. 1135 01:03:19,675 --> 01:03:22,428 And it was just like so normal and fun. 1136 01:03:22,594 --> 01:03:24,555 Imagine 15 dudes in a studio apartment 1137 01:03:24,722 --> 01:03:26,223 just doing coke in August. 1138 01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:29,101 The party was real, you know, like it didn't stop. 1139 01:03:29,101 --> 01:03:30,853 It was every night. 1140 01:03:30,853 --> 01:03:32,229 Every night, I mean, as far as I remember 1141 01:03:32,229 --> 01:03:34,940 it was every fucking night. 1142 01:03:35,107 --> 01:03:35,816 I mean, yeah. 1143 01:03:35,983 --> 01:03:37,735 IRAK's drug of choice was "more" 1144 01:03:37,735 --> 01:03:39,862 that was when the heroin started coming in 1145 01:03:39,862 --> 01:03:42,072 and then it became like, you know, 1146 01:03:42,072 --> 01:03:44,116 it got glorified in our crew. 1147 01:03:44,116 --> 01:03:46,952 Became like how coke was. 1148 01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:49,496 They were like hanging out with like the heroin bags 1149 01:03:49,496 --> 01:03:51,749 and the bundles in their mouths and all that shit. 1150 01:03:51,749 --> 01:03:53,625 And I was just like, this is terrible. 1151 01:03:53,625 --> 01:03:56,837 Like this is going nowhere good. 1152 01:03:57,755 --> 01:03:59,506 All the heroin didn't come until they started 1153 01:03:59,506 --> 01:04:01,633 getting a little buzz to their name. 1154 01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,721 I remember ID doing a story on the IRAK crew 1155 01:04:05,721 --> 01:04:09,892 and Kenneth shooting it for Mass Appeal, you know 1156 01:04:09,892 --> 01:04:10,851 and all these guys. 1157 01:04:11,018 --> 01:04:12,770 And Kunle being one of the 50 1158 01:04:12,936 --> 01:04:14,646 most beautiful people in Paper magazine, 1159 01:04:14,646 --> 01:04:16,273 like people get gassed. 1160 01:04:16,273 --> 01:04:18,233 But I also feel like for someone like Dash, 1161 01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,027 who didn't want the fucking attention, 1162 01:04:20,194 --> 01:04:22,780 he wanted to be like underground always. 1163 01:04:22,946 --> 01:04:24,281 (Dash speaking) This shit is crazy. 1164 01:04:46,553 --> 01:04:49,014 That innocent, free spirit that Ryan captured 1165 01:04:49,181 --> 01:04:51,392 in his photos was gone. 1166 01:04:51,558 --> 01:04:53,394 And it went dark. 1167 01:05:01,693 --> 01:05:05,280 We'd be hanging out at his place on Bowery 1168 01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:06,573 when it was his studio, 1169 01:05:06,573 --> 01:05:10,828 and he would like roll his sleeves up and go out. 1170 01:05:10,828 --> 01:05:15,833 Even though it was totally obvious what was happening. 1171 01:05:15,999 --> 01:05:19,336 He didn't mind talking about doing drugs. 1172 01:05:20,546 --> 01:05:22,089 I'm already out of my mother's will. 1173 01:05:22,256 --> 01:05:24,842 I got nothing. I got no reputation to keep up. You know what I mean? 1174 01:05:24,842 --> 01:05:27,219 But at the same time, I wasn't really trying to show that. 1175 01:05:27,219 --> 01:05:28,095 And then I was like, look 1176 01:05:28,262 --> 01:05:29,096 if I'm going to show everyone else 1177 01:05:29,096 --> 01:05:32,349 I got to show myself too, you know what I mean? 1178 01:05:32,516 --> 01:05:34,059 I'm not, I'm no shiny guy. 1179 01:05:34,226 --> 01:05:35,102 You know what I mean? 1180 01:05:35,269 --> 01:05:36,311 I'm not, it's rough. 1181 01:05:36,478 --> 01:05:39,231 And it's like, a lot of people will see it and 1182 01:05:39,231 --> 01:05:41,358 or have seen shit and be like, 1183 01:05:41,358 --> 01:05:44,111 look at me fully differently afterwards, but not, you know 1184 01:05:44,278 --> 01:05:45,362 that's what it is. 1185 01:05:45,362 --> 01:05:47,614 You know, I'm not trying to be someone I'm not, you know 1186 01:05:47,614 --> 01:05:49,992 and that's what happened and that's how it goes. 1187 01:05:49,992 --> 01:05:50,868 And... 1188 01:05:52,244 --> 01:05:54,830 you know, I'm not scared. 1189 01:05:54,830 --> 01:05:59,626 Well, I found a lot of kids taken away from it. 1190 01:05:59,626 --> 01:06:02,463 I turned into a parent, I turned it into a grandpa. 1191 01:06:02,463 --> 01:06:06,258 I turned it into something, you know 1192 01:06:06,425 --> 01:06:10,012 disapproving the behavior because I saw, you know 1193 01:06:10,179 --> 01:06:12,014 so many people dying and stuff. 1194 01:06:12,014 --> 01:06:15,642 And I was, and I was saying, "Hey, wait a minute." 1195 01:06:15,642 --> 01:06:17,895 You know, "This is about self destruction." 1196 01:06:17,895 --> 01:06:22,858 You know, "This is not heroic." 1197 01:06:23,734 --> 01:06:28,030 I have to say, I have no regrets in general, 1198 01:06:28,030 --> 01:06:31,158 but definitely been rough times. 1199 01:06:31,158 --> 01:06:32,034 You know, I'm not happy. 1200 01:06:32,034 --> 01:06:33,994 I wasn't happy for a long time being where I was 1201 01:06:34,161 --> 01:06:37,122 and just if I like, I wanted to make a point to say 1202 01:06:37,122 --> 01:06:39,416 that I'm not trying to glorify anything. 1203 01:06:39,416 --> 01:06:43,670 (Larry Clark) So I worshiped you know, self-destructive behavior 1204 01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:47,049 and made a lot of great work out of it 1205 01:06:47,049 --> 01:06:48,634 and so did Dash. 1206 01:06:49,676 --> 01:06:52,054 Like Larry's books, I have a few of them, 1207 01:06:52,054 --> 01:06:53,680 the ones I want are too much money. 1208 01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:55,182 And like, they only made a few or whatever 1209 01:06:55,182 --> 01:06:57,392 but I've seen all of them and they're rad 1210 01:06:57,392 --> 01:06:58,519 and I'm sure he's not stoked 1211 01:06:58,519 --> 01:07:00,771 on some of those pictures of himself, but he'd, 1212 01:07:00,938 --> 01:07:03,148 I'm sure at some point he had the thought like, 1213 01:07:03,148 --> 01:07:05,150 you know what I mean, bite the bullet or whatever, 1214 01:07:05,317 --> 01:07:06,568 like just do it, you know? 1215 01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,197 And like embarrassment is whatever. 1216 01:07:10,197 --> 01:07:15,202 I'm not embarrassed about anything I've done, you know? 1217 01:07:15,202 --> 01:07:17,829 Even when they were the most fucked up 1218 01:07:17,996 --> 01:07:22,042 they could be, they were documenting it some way, you know. 1219 01:07:22,209 --> 01:07:23,168 (Larry Clark) That's what I did. 1220 01:07:23,168 --> 01:07:24,962 No matter how fucked up I was, 1221 01:07:24,962 --> 01:07:26,547 no matter what I did in my life, 1222 01:07:26,713 --> 01:07:28,549 I always made work out of it. 1223 01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:30,801 And I guess that's what I was saying 1224 01:07:30,801 --> 01:07:35,806 about kids worshiping this self-destructive lifestyle. 1225 01:07:35,973 --> 01:07:37,474 I was the same way when I was a kid. 1226 01:07:37,474 --> 01:07:39,601 I mean, my heroes were junkies. 1227 01:07:39,601 --> 01:07:42,813 You know, my heros were, you know, were heroin addicts. 1228 01:07:42,980 --> 01:07:44,565 You know, they say that nobody wants to grow up 1229 01:07:44,731 --> 01:07:45,440 to be a junkie. 1230 01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,109 Well, I did. 1231 01:07:47,276 --> 01:07:49,611 And if you have everything, 1232 01:07:49,611 --> 01:07:52,614 if you have everything that you want 1233 01:07:52,781 --> 01:07:54,741 and you can't get clean 1234 01:07:54,741 --> 01:07:59,371 then it'll kill you, you know, or you'll kill yourself. 1235 01:08:01,623 --> 01:08:04,501 It says, "Dear Dave, I can't tell 1236 01:08:04,501 --> 01:08:08,755 "whether I love more you or this record." 1237 01:08:09,381 --> 01:08:10,507 Where did he send that? 1238 01:08:10,507 --> 01:08:11,842 He send it to you or brought it to you? 1239 01:08:11,842 --> 01:08:15,762 Yeah, it came with a pack of heroin. 1240 01:08:15,762 --> 01:08:18,890 And then when I told him he was like, "Don't do it." 1241 01:08:18,890 --> 01:08:20,100 He's like, "Don't do it." 1242 01:08:20,100 --> 01:08:20,976 "Don't do it." 1243 01:08:20,976 --> 01:08:21,810 "I didn't mean to." 1244 01:08:21,810 --> 01:08:23,228 "I keep that in all my favorite records." 1245 01:08:23,228 --> 01:08:24,605 That's sort of the stash spot, 1246 01:08:24,605 --> 01:08:28,859 cause he would keep his stash in his favorite records. 1247 01:08:41,371 --> 01:08:42,497 You hate LA? 1248 01:09:26,917 --> 01:09:29,544 (upbeat music) 1249 01:09:47,813 --> 01:09:50,440 My dad, he started out as a musician 1250 01:09:50,440 --> 01:09:51,817 and a really good one, 1251 01:09:51,817 --> 01:09:55,529 but he got into this drunk driving accident 1252 01:09:55,529 --> 01:09:58,532 and he crashed into a train 1253 01:09:58,532 --> 01:10:02,828 and lost most of his fingers on his right hand. 1254 01:10:02,828 --> 01:10:04,955 So, he couldn't play guitar anymore. 1255 01:10:04,955 --> 01:10:07,708 And that's when he started really spiraling 1256 01:10:07,708 --> 01:10:09,835 into his addiction. 1257 01:10:09,835 --> 01:10:14,464 And he was in and out of that during our whole lives. 1258 01:10:14,464 --> 01:10:19,469 He was this enigmatic addict, artist, musician 1259 01:10:19,636 --> 01:10:24,474 and I think that definitely had a big influence on Dash. 1260 01:10:24,474 --> 01:10:25,475 He was his dad. 1261 01:10:25,475 --> 01:10:28,353 And you always look up to your dad. 1262 01:10:41,366 --> 01:10:43,452 Oh, and it had electricity and everything. 1263 01:10:43,452 --> 01:10:44,494 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1264 01:11:04,890 --> 01:11:07,726 Being free to Dash was everything. 1265 01:11:07,726 --> 01:11:11,730 And with addiction he did not feel free. 1266 01:11:12,230 --> 01:11:15,025 He felt prisoner in those moments. 1267 01:11:16,026 --> 01:11:18,236 You know when Dash was good, he was so free 1268 01:11:18,236 --> 01:11:21,031 he made other people feel free. 1269 01:11:21,031 --> 01:11:22,866 He saw the beauty in everybody 1270 01:11:22,866 --> 01:11:27,037 and they felt beautiful when they were around him. 1271 01:11:30,540 --> 01:11:31,792 We met in 2006. 1272 01:11:32,918 --> 01:11:34,127 (Dash speaking) Oh, this is a good story. 1273 01:11:34,127 --> 01:11:35,045 We should have this. 1274 01:11:35,045 --> 01:11:36,004 Is it recording? 1275 01:11:36,004 --> 01:11:36,797 Yes it is. 1276 01:11:36,797 --> 01:11:37,881 Okay. 1277 01:11:37,881 --> 01:11:39,549 So, I'll tell you the story. 1278 01:11:39,549 --> 01:11:40,926 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 1279 01:11:40,926 --> 01:11:41,802 I'll say the story. 1280 01:11:41,802 --> 01:11:43,053 So what's the official story? 1281 01:11:43,053 --> 01:11:45,514 The official story is, 1282 01:11:45,514 --> 01:11:47,557 so there's three sides to every story right? 1283 01:11:47,557 --> 01:11:51,269 The truth, the man's version and the woman's version. 1284 01:11:51,269 --> 01:11:52,437 Well, I'll consider the man's version 1285 01:11:52,437 --> 01:11:54,439 the truth at this point. 1286 01:11:56,441 --> 01:11:57,818 I don't know how I got there. 1287 01:11:57,818 --> 01:12:00,403 I don't know what, it was some party. 1288 01:12:00,403 --> 01:12:02,322 And she was out with, 1289 01:12:02,322 --> 01:12:04,324 she was going out with another man at the time. 1290 01:12:04,324 --> 01:12:06,159 Not quite as manly as myself. 1291 01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:10,205 She was wearing this really foxy black tight dress. 1292 01:12:10,205 --> 01:12:12,207 And I was just like, like, 1293 01:12:12,207 --> 01:12:13,583 you know, in The Godfather 1294 01:12:13,583 --> 01:12:15,544 he's walking with his bodyguards 1295 01:12:15,544 --> 01:12:17,712 and he sees this woman, this great woman. 1296 01:12:17,712 --> 01:12:20,340 And he goes, and the bodyguards, they say, 1297 01:12:20,340 --> 01:12:22,801 "you just got hit with a thunderbolt." 1298 01:12:22,801 --> 01:12:23,718 It's sort of like this, 1299 01:12:23,718 --> 01:12:26,096 I was really like before I did it with her 1300 01:12:26,096 --> 01:12:27,973 I jerked off so many times thinking of her 1301 01:12:27,973 --> 01:12:29,683 that kind of thing, you know? 1302 01:12:29,683 --> 01:12:31,852 So, I'd see her and I was just like, 1303 01:12:31,852 --> 01:12:33,478 and she wasn't into me. 1304 01:12:33,478 --> 01:12:34,437 She wasn't having it. 1305 01:12:34,437 --> 01:12:35,355 And I went up to her. 1306 01:12:35,355 --> 01:12:36,231 (Jade) That's not true. 1307 01:12:36,231 --> 01:12:37,107 You weren't having it. 1308 01:12:37,107 --> 01:12:40,193 'Cause I went up to her and I said, 1309 01:12:40,193 --> 01:12:41,319 I'm not normally so blunt, 1310 01:12:41,319 --> 01:12:42,737 but I looked at her and I said 1311 01:12:42,737 --> 01:12:45,198 I'm not leaving this party without kissing your mouth. 1312 01:12:45,198 --> 01:12:46,825 I'm not leaving here without a kiss. 1313 01:12:46,825 --> 01:12:48,702 And she wouldn't do it. 1314 01:12:48,702 --> 01:12:50,996 Well, the guy I was dating was 10 feet away. 1315 01:12:50,996 --> 01:12:52,873 But I didn't care, you know. 1316 01:12:52,873 --> 01:12:55,876 I was trying to have some respect. 1317 01:12:56,835 --> 01:12:57,878 But you wanted to. 1318 01:12:57,878 --> 01:12:58,753 I did. 1319 01:13:02,340 --> 01:13:03,967 So, that was kind of that. 1320 01:13:03,967 --> 01:13:05,135 And then I had to go 1321 01:13:05,135 --> 01:13:08,138 and I didn't see him again for a long time. 1322 01:13:08,138 --> 01:13:11,266 And then our friend was doing a party scene 1323 01:13:11,266 --> 01:13:13,643 for a film she was working on. 1324 01:13:13,643 --> 01:13:15,103 And when I walked into the room 1325 01:13:15,103 --> 01:13:17,772 he was sitting right there and I remembered him and I, 1326 01:13:17,772 --> 01:13:19,399 I never stopped thinking about him. 1327 01:13:19,399 --> 01:13:22,152 He was so charismatic and good looking 1328 01:13:22,152 --> 01:13:25,739 and I sat right next to him and I said, hey. 1329 01:13:25,739 --> 01:13:26,907 And he was so happy. 1330 01:13:26,907 --> 01:13:28,867 He was like, "Oh my God, it's you." 1331 01:13:28,867 --> 01:13:29,659 And that was it. 1332 01:13:29,659 --> 01:13:33,914 We just never left each other's side from that day. 1333 01:13:38,168 --> 01:13:39,628 I'm so in love. 1334 01:13:41,671 --> 01:13:43,506 I'm so in love with this woman. 1335 01:13:43,506 --> 01:13:45,175 But I mean, I've never had this before 1336 01:13:45,175 --> 01:13:47,427 and I've been with a lot of birds and whatever, 1337 01:13:47,427 --> 01:13:49,804 but it's like really special. 1338 01:13:55,393 --> 01:13:57,187 I can hear everything. 1339 01:13:58,813 --> 01:13:59,898 It's everything. 1340 01:13:59,898 --> 01:14:02,317 (echoing) Time, time, time, time, time. 1341 01:14:04,444 --> 01:14:07,447 When I met him, his first big solo show 1342 01:14:07,447 --> 01:14:09,574 and the show was nine months away. 1343 01:14:09,574 --> 01:14:10,909 It was actually called The End 1344 01:14:10,909 --> 01:14:14,329 of Living and the Beginning of Survival. 1345 01:14:14,329 --> 01:14:17,540 And he was very nervous about it. 1346 01:14:17,540 --> 01:14:19,459 250 something pieces. 1347 01:14:19,459 --> 01:14:22,921 And it was like maybe eight months, 1348 01:14:22,921 --> 01:14:25,298 but I really sort of lost it 1349 01:14:25,298 --> 01:14:28,551 and like sort of locked myself away a lot, you know, 1350 01:14:28,551 --> 01:14:31,346 like in my house and just drink by myself 1351 01:14:31,346 --> 01:14:34,057 and listen to music really loud. 1352 01:14:34,849 --> 01:14:37,978 The gallery decided without telling us 1353 01:14:37,978 --> 01:14:41,106 that they were going to promote the opening night 1354 01:14:41,106 --> 01:14:43,608 with the flyers that he did for a show, 1355 01:14:43,608 --> 01:14:47,070 with suicide hotline on the back. 1356 01:14:47,070 --> 01:14:48,989 His scary ass mug, yeah. 1357 01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:51,992 Oh, look at that. 1358 01:14:51,992 --> 01:14:54,077 And we played the opening. 1359 01:14:54,077 --> 01:14:56,997 It was like very widely promoted. 1360 01:14:56,997 --> 01:14:58,498 Like I remember like driving from the airport 1361 01:14:58,498 --> 01:15:00,709 and there was like posters of his face on the streets 1362 01:15:00,709 --> 01:15:01,751 and all this shit. 1363 01:15:01,751 --> 01:15:03,586 I'm sure it freaked him out. 1364 01:15:03,586 --> 01:15:06,715 When we first arrived that night, 1365 01:15:06,715 --> 01:15:08,591 there was like a dinner for him. 1366 01:15:08,591 --> 01:15:10,760 I remember walking into the room and it was 1367 01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:14,514 like an art dinner thing with a long table of people. 1368 01:15:14,514 --> 01:15:18,143 And I remember him looking like extremely uncomfortable 1369 01:15:18,143 --> 01:15:21,021 and like sort of maybe like embarrassed in a way 1370 01:15:21,021 --> 01:15:23,606 or something you know. 1371 01:15:23,606 --> 01:15:26,151 Like, I'm sure these gallery people were great to him. 1372 01:15:26,151 --> 01:15:27,402 And he got along with them fine, 1373 01:15:27,402 --> 01:15:29,863 but it was just something that made him uncomfortable 1374 01:15:29,863 --> 01:15:30,864 about it all. 1375 01:15:30,864 --> 01:15:33,408 He always wanted to like hide, 1376 01:15:33,408 --> 01:15:36,286 and I could relate to that. 1377 01:15:36,286 --> 01:15:38,663 But I was doing some dope and stay up for days 1378 01:15:38,663 --> 01:15:40,415 and just really like working, working, working, 1379 01:15:40,415 --> 01:15:41,916 working, you know. 1380 01:15:43,043 --> 01:15:44,544 He had a very particular vision 1381 01:15:44,544 --> 01:15:46,796 of how he wanted it all to go down. 1382 01:15:46,796 --> 01:15:50,050 And opening night was packed. 1383 01:15:50,050 --> 01:15:52,177 A lot of people came through, Tal R, 1384 01:15:52,177 --> 01:15:53,928 Jonathan Meese, Christopher Wool 1385 01:15:53,928 --> 01:15:55,555 actually skipped his own opening that night 1386 01:15:55,555 --> 01:15:57,265 to come to the dinner with Dash. 1387 01:16:12,447 --> 01:16:16,076 (guitar music and singing) 1388 01:16:32,675 --> 01:16:33,843 And I was pregnant 1389 01:16:33,843 --> 01:16:37,347 and he had just come back from Berlin to Paris. 1390 01:16:37,347 --> 01:16:41,601 I mean, it was really as if we had not a care in the world. 1391 01:16:41,601 --> 01:16:43,478 He was doing all right. 1392 01:16:46,731 --> 01:16:50,068 How would you define success? 1393 01:16:50,068 --> 01:16:53,238 For whoever has success, the person themselves 1394 01:16:53,238 --> 01:16:56,074 just being content with what they've done over years 1395 01:16:56,074 --> 01:16:59,119 or over whatever span of time, just like people are excited 1396 01:16:59,119 --> 01:17:01,454 about what you've done, can relate to it. 1397 01:17:01,454 --> 01:17:03,373 Or I don't know, you touch someone, somehow. 1398 01:17:03,373 --> 01:17:06,501 Whether it's one or a million or whatever, you know. 1399 01:17:15,635 --> 01:17:18,263 Dash and Dan and all the central people 1400 01:17:18,263 --> 01:17:21,766 came down to Miami during the art fair week. 1401 01:17:21,766 --> 01:17:26,521 But I heard that the night of the opening 1402 01:17:26,729 --> 01:17:31,359 they had created one of their infamous nests 1403 01:17:31,526 --> 01:17:37,031 in their motel room, which involves taking every telephone 1404 01:17:37,198 --> 01:17:41,286 book that they could find from every room and public place 1405 01:17:41,286 --> 01:17:46,291 and ripping the pages to shreds and creating their own 1406 01:17:46,457 --> 01:17:50,295 version of a hamster nest and just spend the whole night 1407 01:17:50,295 --> 01:17:52,547 acting like human hamsters. 1408 01:17:53,256 --> 01:17:58,178 And I said to Dash, and to Dan, "Could we do this 1409 01:17:58,178 --> 01:17:59,929 "as a gallery show?" 1410 01:17:59,929 --> 01:18:01,931 Dash of course was all up for it. 1411 01:18:01,931 --> 01:18:05,518 Then Dan and Dash would arrange for their whole circle 1412 01:18:05,518 --> 01:18:09,647 of friends to come and get drunk, get high, 1413 01:18:09,647 --> 01:18:11,065 whatever they were going to do 1414 01:18:11,065 --> 01:18:15,278 the whole night and cover every surface. 1415 01:18:15,278 --> 01:18:17,197 There's some people who think we should just leave 1416 01:18:17,197 --> 01:18:18,823 this open permanently. 1417 01:18:18,823 --> 01:18:21,159 You know, like the Walter de Maria Earth Room 1418 01:18:21,159 --> 01:18:22,577 on Wooster Street. 1419 01:18:22,577 --> 01:18:26,414 We should keep this as the New York Dirt Room. 1420 01:18:31,544 --> 01:18:32,795 Let me do it. 1421 01:18:34,672 --> 01:18:36,549 That was semi all good, right? 1422 01:18:36,549 --> 01:18:38,593 Man, it's hard to launch. 1423 01:18:40,094 --> 01:18:41,471 I wanted to be very careful, 1424 01:18:41,471 --> 01:18:43,723 with safety 'cause the whole thing was a firetrap. 1425 01:18:43,723 --> 01:18:47,185 I made Dash promise no smoking. 1426 01:18:47,852 --> 01:18:50,313 Then the other thing is there's spray cans, 1427 01:18:50,313 --> 01:18:51,856 'cause it's really flammable. 1428 01:18:51,856 --> 01:18:54,484 Just be super careful. 1429 01:18:54,484 --> 01:18:56,486 Please trust me on this. 1430 01:18:57,612 --> 01:18:58,988 Unbeknownst to Jeffrey, 1431 01:18:58,988 --> 01:19:01,366 three, four in the morning Dash's friend, 1432 01:19:01,366 --> 01:19:02,617 Jason Dill was there. 1433 01:19:02,617 --> 01:19:05,370 He was skateboarding and Dash grabbed a spray can 1434 01:19:05,370 --> 01:19:07,830 and a lighter and made like a beam of fire 1435 01:19:07,830 --> 01:19:09,999 for Dill to jump over. 1436 01:19:09,999 --> 01:19:12,252 And I got some nice photos of that. 1437 01:19:12,252 --> 01:19:15,255 (people chattering) 1438 01:19:17,465 --> 01:19:19,759 Later when I edited the book, 1439 01:19:19,759 --> 01:19:23,972 I included that photo in there because it was awesome. 1440 01:19:23,972 --> 01:19:25,765 And I remember when I presented Jeffrey with the nest book, 1441 01:19:25,765 --> 01:19:27,016 when it was finally completed. 1442 01:19:27,016 --> 01:19:28,226 Him like flipping through it 1443 01:19:28,226 --> 01:19:31,229 and him stopping at the fire ball photo 1444 01:19:31,229 --> 01:19:32,522 and like pausing being like, 1445 01:19:32,522 --> 01:19:35,650 "If I acknowledge this I'm going to have to fire Kathy, 1446 01:19:35,650 --> 01:19:39,153 "'cause she could have like ignited a giant pile of paper 1447 01:19:39,153 --> 01:19:40,780 "in the gallery, left unattended 1448 01:19:40,780 --> 01:19:42,156 "in the middle of the night." 1449 01:19:42,156 --> 01:19:42,991 He debated it. 1450 01:19:42,991 --> 01:19:44,867 And then I saw him finally just turn the page. 1451 01:19:44,867 --> 01:19:46,619 Just pretend he hadn't seen it. 1452 01:19:46,619 --> 01:19:49,789 Keep going like normal. 1453 01:19:51,791 --> 01:19:54,294 (rock music) 1454 01:20:02,927 --> 01:20:05,263 I hadn't thought about it at the time. 1455 01:20:05,263 --> 01:20:09,058 I was pregnant and he was creating a nest. 1456 01:20:09,058 --> 01:20:11,519 He gave me this and this is one of the proudest 1457 01:20:11,519 --> 01:20:14,772 creations of his life, is this little picture 1458 01:20:14,772 --> 01:20:18,693 of his arm and little Secret, it's his daughter. 1459 01:20:21,946 --> 01:20:24,324 He became very interested 1460 01:20:24,324 --> 01:20:27,160 in documenting his private life, 1461 01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:32,206 rather than his outside life, his social life. 1462 01:20:34,667 --> 01:20:36,961 He was with Jade and you know, 1463 01:20:36,961 --> 01:20:39,172 Secret was born and all of a sudden it's, 1464 01:20:39,172 --> 01:20:41,215 you know, representative of a life 1465 01:20:41,215 --> 01:20:44,344 that he's been going away from forever and ever. 1466 01:20:44,344 --> 01:20:48,222 And then I think it must be made even more complicated 1467 01:20:48,222 --> 01:20:51,726 by the fact that there's such a deep love between, you know 1468 01:20:51,726 --> 01:20:54,228 father and their child. 1469 01:20:54,228 --> 01:20:57,482 I think that he was happy for a while 1470 01:20:57,482 --> 01:21:00,485 and he loved being a dad, 1471 01:21:00,693 --> 01:21:04,989 and had gone to rehab and was doing really well. 1472 01:21:13,748 --> 01:21:16,876 He tried to quit so many times with methadone, 1473 01:21:16,876 --> 01:21:20,380 doing suboxone, you know cold turkey, 1474 01:21:20,380 --> 01:21:21,631 you know, he would try. 1475 01:21:21,631 --> 01:21:24,008 But I think as soon as his brain would clear 1476 01:21:24,008 --> 01:21:26,886 out a little bit, he would be tortured, 1477 01:21:26,886 --> 01:21:32,141 because the real problem would be uncovered maybe. 1478 01:21:32,141 --> 01:21:33,267 And he couldn't deal with it. 1479 01:21:33,267 --> 01:21:34,894 Like he never talked about his mom. 1480 01:21:34,894 --> 01:21:36,020 He'd talk about his dad. 1481 01:22:08,261 --> 01:22:10,054 It's tricky getting old. 1482 01:22:10,054 --> 01:22:13,307 But I feel like strangely Dash felt like 1483 01:22:13,307 --> 01:22:17,061 he was losing control over who he was. 1484 01:22:27,196 --> 01:22:28,823 There was a lot of times when I've felt like, 1485 01:22:28,823 --> 01:22:30,408 wow this seems really dark right now. 1486 01:22:30,408 --> 01:22:33,578 Like the people around Dash are really not the best. 1487 01:22:33,578 --> 01:22:35,580 And then he had new artsy friends, 1488 01:22:35,580 --> 01:22:37,457 that were also heroin friends. 1489 01:22:37,457 --> 01:22:39,584 There were certainly enablers. 1490 01:22:39,584 --> 01:22:41,294 Like here's a hotel and here's some drugs. 1491 01:22:41,294 --> 01:22:42,587 It's really cool to them, 1492 01:22:42,587 --> 01:22:44,589 'cause they just discovered it and they're selling it. 1493 01:22:44,589 --> 01:22:48,217 And they're like trying to make sure that this carries on. 1494 01:23:27,089 --> 01:23:29,509 Are you still like pretty friendly 1495 01:23:29,509 --> 01:23:31,594 with a lot of the people you grew up with? 1496 01:23:37,767 --> 01:23:40,770 It was hard to tell what the reason was, 1497 01:23:40,770 --> 01:23:42,396 why we weren't hanging out as much. 1498 01:23:42,396 --> 01:23:44,649 But it was just as much me as anything. 1499 01:23:44,649 --> 01:23:46,400 'Cause I wasn't tolerating the heroin. 1500 01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,402 Luckily Jade was around. 1501 01:23:57,036 --> 01:23:59,622 I remember Dan said, "Oh God, he called me from rehab." 1502 01:23:59,622 --> 01:24:01,249 And he had snuck into some room. 1503 01:24:01,249 --> 01:24:03,292 And he was underneath a desk with a phone, 1504 01:24:03,292 --> 01:24:04,794 'cause you weren't supposed to call anyone. 1505 01:24:04,794 --> 01:24:06,921 And he'd said to Dan, "They're making me talk 1506 01:24:07,088 --> 01:24:09,799 "about my whole life story." 1507 01:24:25,273 --> 01:24:28,442 I was living in the studio and this old, old dude 1508 01:24:28,442 --> 01:24:30,027 who's like a life-long heroin dealer 1509 01:24:30,027 --> 01:24:32,905 is calling me all day and I'm like, don't call me. 1510 01:24:32,905 --> 01:24:34,073 Dash isn't here. 1511 01:24:34,073 --> 01:24:35,324 He doesn't want to talk to you. 1512 01:24:35,324 --> 01:24:36,576 He's like, "I just wanted to know." 1513 01:24:36,576 --> 01:24:38,452 "He wants to talk to me, believe me." 1514 01:24:38,452 --> 01:24:39,537 And, "He wants to talk to me." 1515 01:24:39,537 --> 01:24:41,205 "He's trying to get in touch with me right now." 1516 01:24:41,205 --> 01:24:43,457 And he's like, "Just tell him I called." 1517 01:24:43,457 --> 01:24:45,334 And I'm just like, dude. 1518 01:24:45,334 --> 01:24:47,461 He would tell us like a lie and be like, 1519 01:24:47,461 --> 01:24:48,713 I'm just going to go out to do this. 1520 01:24:48,713 --> 01:24:51,799 And he would like, meet the dude to get high and shit. 1521 01:24:51,799 --> 01:24:56,304 So, it was just like, fucking really, really terrible. 1522 01:25:03,936 --> 01:25:06,939 But this is a pretty damaged zine. 1523 01:25:10,860 --> 01:25:14,363 He sent me a loaded syringe and it's real. 1524 01:25:15,865 --> 01:25:19,702 You know, actually, I have his voicemails. 1525 01:25:20,202 --> 01:25:22,496 He would call and leave them. 1526 01:26:24,141 --> 01:26:26,686 (solemn music) 1527 01:26:29,397 --> 01:26:31,649 (Dash) So many times I've been sitting for so many days 1528 01:26:31,649 --> 01:26:33,943 just like fuck, when am I going to get out of here? 1529 01:26:33,943 --> 01:26:35,319 This is the worst ever. 1530 01:26:35,319 --> 01:26:38,030 And like, I feel like it's better to like die 1531 01:26:38,030 --> 01:26:41,200 on your feet than live on your knees, sort of thing. 1532 01:27:20,197 --> 01:27:22,950 Everybody was living a similar lifestyle 1533 01:27:22,950 --> 01:27:25,369 and it wasn't until Dash passed away 1534 01:27:25,369 --> 01:27:27,621 that people started to look at themselves 1535 01:27:27,621 --> 01:27:29,373 and change themselves. 1536 01:27:29,373 --> 01:27:33,127 It was a real kind of awakening for a lot of people. 1537 01:27:58,861 --> 01:27:59,904 But then you would just... 1538 01:28:09,538 --> 01:28:13,167 I think the person who misses out the most is Secret, 1539 01:28:13,167 --> 01:28:15,669 'cause he fucking loved her. 1540 01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:18,172 She didn't get the Dash that we all got, 1541 01:28:18,172 --> 01:28:20,007 you know, which sucks. 1542 01:28:25,554 --> 01:28:27,431 It sucks. 1543 01:28:44,031 --> 01:28:45,908 ♪ Psychedelic invocations ♪ 1544 01:28:45,908 --> 01:28:48,661 ♪ Of Mata Hari at the station ♪ 1545 01:28:48,661 --> 01:28:53,082 ♪ I give to you ♪ 1546 01:28:53,082 --> 01:28:55,334 ♪ A Java princess of Hindu birth ♪ 1547 01:28:55,334 --> 01:28:57,711 ♪ A woman of flesh, a child of the earth ♪ 1548 01:28:57,711 --> 01:29:02,216 ♪ I give to you ♪ 1549 01:29:02,216 --> 01:29:04,593 ♪ Well, the hanging gardens of Babylon ♪ 1550 01:29:04,593 --> 01:29:06,846 ♪ Miles Davis, the black unicorn ♪ 1551 01:29:06,846 --> 01:29:11,350 ♪ I give to you ♪ 1552 01:29:11,350 --> 01:29:13,978 ♪ The Palaces of Montezuma ♪ 1553 01:29:13,978 --> 01:29:16,313 ♪ And the Gardens of Akbar's tomb ♪ 1554 01:29:16,313 --> 01:29:20,860 ♪ I give to you ♪ 1555 01:29:20,860 --> 01:29:23,320 ♪ The spider goddess and the needle boy ♪ 1556 01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:25,865 ♪ The slave-dwarves they employ ♪ 1557 01:29:25,865 --> 01:29:29,952 ♪ I give to you ♪ 1558 01:29:29,952 --> 01:29:32,204 ♪ A custard-coloured super dream ♪ 1559 01:29:32,204 --> 01:29:34,832 ♪ Of Ali McGraw and Steve McQueen ♪ 1560 01:29:34,832 --> 01:29:39,837 ♪ I give to you ♪ 1561 01:29:40,754 --> 01:29:45,759 ♪ C'mon baby, let's get out of the cold ♪ 1562 01:29:48,387 --> 01:29:50,264 ♪ And give me, give me, give me ♪ 1563 01:29:50,264 --> 01:29:55,227 ♪ Your precious love for me to hold ♪ 1564 01:29:57,521 --> 01:29:59,773 ♪ The epic of Gilgamesh ♪ 1565 01:29:59,773 --> 01:30:02,401 ♪ A pretty little black A-line dress ♪ 1566 01:30:02,401 --> 01:30:06,739 ♪ I give to you ♪ 1567 01:30:06,739 --> 01:30:08,866 ♪ The spinal cord of JFK ♪ 1568 01:30:08,866 --> 01:30:11,285 ♪ Wrapped in Marilyn Monroe's negligee ♪ 1569 01:30:11,285 --> 01:30:15,748 ♪ I give to you ♪ 1570 01:30:15,748 --> 01:30:18,250 ♪ The Gorgon's mask, the wings of wax ♪ 1571 01:30:18,250 --> 01:30:20,794 ♪ Icarus falling through the cracks ♪ 1572 01:30:20,794 --> 01:30:24,798 ♪ I give to you ♪ 1573 01:30:24,798 --> 01:30:27,134 ♪ The blood girl and her deity ♪ 1574 01:30:27,134 --> 01:30:29,803 ♪ And everything that I believe ♪ 1575 01:30:29,803 --> 01:30:34,058 ♪ I give to you ♪ 1576 01:30:34,058 --> 01:30:36,185 ♪ I want nothing in return ♪ 1577 01:30:36,185 --> 01:30:38,646 ♪ Just the softest little breathless word ♪ 1578 01:30:38,646 --> 01:30:43,192 ♪ I ask of you ♪ 1579 01:30:43,192 --> 01:30:45,444 ♪ A word contained in a grain of sand ♪ 1580 01:30:45,444 --> 01:30:48,072 ♪ That can barely walk, can't even stand ♪ 1581 01:30:48,072 --> 01:30:53,077 ♪ I ask of you ♪ 1582 01:30:53,452 --> 01:30:58,457 ♪ c'mon baby, let's get out of the cold ♪ 1583 01:31:01,460 --> 01:31:05,714 ♪ And gimme gimme gimme your precious love ♪ 1584 01:31:05,714 --> 01:31:10,678 ♪ For me to hold ♪ 1585 01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:16,725 ♪ C'mon baby come out of the cold ♪ 1586 01:31:19,436 --> 01:31:23,816 ♪ And gimme gimme gimme your precious love ♪ 1587 01:31:23,816 --> 01:31:27,611 ♪ For me to hold ♪ 1588 01:31:27,611 --> 01:31:30,114 ♪ Yeah, c'mon ♪ 1589 01:31:52,219 --> 01:31:54,763 (cars honking) 1590 01:32:00,894 --> 01:32:03,897 (crickets chirping) 1591 01:32:43,187 --> 01:32:48,192 ♪ Mother, I know your face ♪ 1592 01:32:50,319 --> 01:32:55,324 ♪ Father, still hold your place ♪ 1593 01:32:57,576 --> 01:33:02,081 ♪ Sister, I'm around you, remember me ♪ 1594 01:33:12,091 --> 01:33:16,678 ♪ Brother, I'm on my way, I'm visiting ♪ 1595 01:33:26,980 --> 01:33:31,985 ♪ Little sister, I know from where your brown eyes get ♪ 1596 01:33:41,954 --> 01:33:46,959 ♪ Your face on horizon ♪ 1597 01:33:48,335 --> 01:33:53,340 ♪ I cannot see ♪ 1598 01:33:56,844 --> 01:34:01,849 ♪ Your face on horizon ♪ 1599 01:34:03,225 --> 01:34:05,769 ♪ I cannot say ♪ 1600 01:34:19,241 --> 01:34:24,163 ♪ Mother, I wanna hold your hand ♪ 1601 01:34:26,540 --> 01:34:31,545 ♪ Father, I need you to be a man ♪ 1602 01:34:33,922 --> 01:34:38,927 ♪ Sister, if there's any help in me ♪ 1603 01:34:39,678 --> 01:34:44,683 ♪ I'm always on my way ♪ 1604 01:34:48,770 --> 01:34:53,775 ♪ Little brother, let's get on to travel ♪ 1605 01:34:55,319 --> 01:35:00,324 ♪ Let's get up to something ♪ 1606 01:35:03,452 --> 01:35:08,081 ♪ Little sister, can I have this dance? ♪ 1607 01:35:18,425 --> 01:35:22,971 ♪ You're on the horizon, I cannot stay ♪ 1608 01:35:33,232 --> 01:35:37,819 ♪ You're on the horizon, I'm on my way ♪ 1609 01:35:48,121 --> 01:35:53,126 ♪ You're on the horizon, I'm header the other way ♪ 1610 01:35:56,213 --> 01:35:59,633 ♪ Horizon ♪ 1611 01:35:59,633 --> 01:36:04,096 ♪ Ho-horizon, ho-horizon, ho-horizon ♪ 1612 01:36:17,150 --> 01:36:19,903 ♪ On the horizon ♪ 116650

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