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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:29,512 --> 00:00:31,307 Man: ...between your neck and cheek. 2 00:00:31,341 --> 00:00:34,310 And then use your body weight to really lob it forward. 3 00:00:34,344 --> 00:00:36,450 And then just push forward, okay? 4 00:00:36,484 --> 00:00:38,072 Give it a go. That's easy enough. Alright. 5 00:00:38,107 --> 00:00:40,592 Back? That's it. 6 00:00:40,626 --> 00:00:43,112 Oh, wow! 7 00:00:44,941 --> 00:00:47,840 This is, like, day one. That was amazing. 8 00:00:47,875 --> 00:00:50,912 Alison: Luckily, the pesky pooch was found unharmed. 9 00:00:50,947 --> 00:00:54,157 Hopefully he learnt a valuable lesson, along with his owners. 10 00:00:54,192 --> 00:00:58,334 Alison Fan, 7 Nightly News. 11 00:00:59,266 --> 00:01:00,301 Mum? 12 00:01:00,336 --> 00:01:01,647 Hey! Hey. 13 00:01:01,682 --> 00:01:03,304 What are you doing here? 14 00:01:03,339 --> 00:01:05,272 I finished early. Are we still on for dinner? 15 00:01:05,306 --> 00:01:08,309 Oh, you bet. Um, I'll just finish up here. 16 00:01:08,344 --> 00:01:09,793 Are you still getting wine? 17 00:01:09,828 --> 00:01:11,347 Yeah, sure. What sort? 18 00:01:11,381 --> 00:01:12,796 As long as I'm doing stories about lost dogs, 19 00:01:12,831 --> 00:01:14,384 any wine is good wine. 20 00:01:14,419 --> 00:01:17,422 I thought you might be back on Claremont. 21 00:01:17,456 --> 00:01:18,561 Why? 22 00:01:18,595 --> 00:01:20,252 I heard a rumor. 23 00:01:20,287 --> 00:01:21,771 It all seemed pretty hush-hush, 24 00:01:21,805 --> 00:01:24,325 but it sounded like there's a team back on it. 25 00:01:25,878 --> 00:01:27,294 Huh. 26 00:01:39,271 --> 00:01:40,652 What the hell are you doing out here? 27 00:01:40,686 --> 00:01:42,792 Took me three days to find you. 28 00:01:44,863 --> 00:01:46,485 Why are you looking? 29 00:01:47,935 --> 00:01:49,626 Cold Case Squad has reopened Claremont. 30 00:01:49,661 --> 00:01:50,869 There's no one from Macro. 31 00:01:50,903 --> 00:01:52,250 Apparently they're the new breed. 32 00:01:52,284 --> 00:01:54,252 They've all got forensic training. 33 00:01:54,286 --> 00:01:56,323 And why are you telling me? 34 00:01:56,357 --> 00:01:58,359 Don't you want in? 35 00:01:58,394 --> 00:02:00,741 I spent six years on Claremont. 36 00:02:00,775 --> 00:02:02,536 Look where it got me. 37 00:02:02,570 --> 00:02:04,572 Don't you wanna findthe guy? 38 00:02:04,607 --> 00:02:07,748 I mean, are you really happy out here with all the cows? 39 00:02:15,756 --> 00:02:18,724 Sarah Spiers is still missing. 40 00:02:18,759 --> 00:02:20,278 I'm sorry. 41 00:03:00,697 --> 00:03:02,630 Hi. 42 00:03:04,977 --> 00:03:06,358 Mosman Park? 43 00:04:10,526 --> 00:04:11,941 Okay. 44 00:04:14,737 --> 00:04:17,049 - Who's this? - He insisted on being let in. 45 00:04:17,084 --> 00:04:18,810 Gavin Wyatt. He's driven in from... 46 00:04:18,844 --> 00:04:21,088 I worked on the original Macro team. 47 00:04:21,122 --> 00:04:22,779 I want to join you. 48 00:04:22,814 --> 00:04:25,092 I'm sorry.I know everything about this case. 49 00:04:25,126 --> 00:04:26,990 Yeah, that's the problem. 50 00:04:27,025 --> 00:04:30,960 We're starting with a clean slate, out of the public eye. 51 00:04:30,994 --> 00:04:33,997 Okay, well, maybe I can help short-cut stuff. 52 00:04:34,032 --> 00:04:36,379 Instead of having to re-read everything, I can tell you. 53 00:04:36,414 --> 00:04:38,795 I'm sorry. It's -- It's not gonna work. 54 00:04:39,762 --> 00:04:42,730 Alison Fan found me way out in the country. 55 00:04:42,765 --> 00:04:44,594 It's only a matter of time before she finds out 56 00:04:44,629 --> 00:04:46,734 what you're doing. 57 00:04:46,769 --> 00:04:48,840 You're obviously doing this on the quiet. 58 00:04:48,874 --> 00:04:51,463 Do the bosses know you've reopened the case? 59 00:04:51,498 --> 00:04:53,672 Well, it's a cold case. We're allowed to reopen... 60 00:04:53,707 --> 00:04:55,122 Yeah, but I bet they don't know you've reopened 61 00:04:55,156 --> 00:04:57,814 this particular can of worms. 62 00:04:57,849 --> 00:05:00,334 The most famous unsolved murder case 63 00:05:00,369 --> 00:05:02,509 in West Australian history. 64 00:05:03,510 --> 00:05:05,063 And I bet there'd be a few noses out of joint 65 00:05:05,097 --> 00:05:06,892 if the old Macro hierarchy finds out 66 00:05:06,927 --> 00:05:09,170 you're questioning their approach. 67 00:05:13,140 --> 00:05:16,454 Maybe he can explain the fire poker. 68 00:05:16,488 --> 00:05:18,352 Dave: Why was Macro so sure that Lance Williams' poker 69 00:05:18,387 --> 00:05:19,871 was the murder weapon? 70 00:05:19,905 --> 00:05:21,631 Well, once I noticed it missing from Lance's flat, 71 00:05:21,666 --> 00:05:24,979 we bought an identical poker and sent it to London. 72 00:05:25,014 --> 00:05:26,774 A pathologist at the Royal College 73 00:05:26,809 --> 00:05:29,570 confirmed the poker fitted the wound to Ciara's skull. 74 00:05:29,605 --> 00:05:31,917 Yeah, he was wrong. 75 00:05:31,952 --> 00:05:34,679 We found Lance's poker. 76 00:05:34,713 --> 00:05:36,750 Where?Queensland. 77 00:05:36,784 --> 00:05:39,131 Well, Lance has never been to Queensland.Exactly. 78 00:05:39,166 --> 00:05:41,030 We tracked down the woman who sold the flat to Lance. 79 00:05:41,064 --> 00:05:43,964 She meant to leave the whole set behind with the fireplace, 80 00:05:43,998 --> 00:05:47,070 but somehow the poker was packed up by the removalists. 81 00:05:47,105 --> 00:05:49,141 You guys never followed this up? 82 00:05:49,176 --> 00:05:50,902 It fitted so perfectly. 83 00:05:50,936 --> 00:05:54,215 It made sense that she was... 84 00:05:54,250 --> 00:05:56,148 Alright, well, hang on a sec. 85 00:05:56,183 --> 00:05:59,980 What caused the wound to Ciara's head, then? 86 00:06:00,014 --> 00:06:01,740 Wasn't a wound. 87 00:06:04,122 --> 00:06:06,745 You know, everyone assumes Claremont was my worst case. 88 00:06:06,780 --> 00:06:09,576 My worst case was a Christmas Day murder. 89 00:06:09,610 --> 00:06:10,818 There was blood everywhere. 90 00:06:10,853 --> 00:06:12,682 Over presents, the manger. 91 00:06:12,717 --> 00:06:14,891 That indentation? 92 00:06:14,926 --> 00:06:16,721 She was hit over the back of the head. 93 00:06:16,755 --> 00:06:17,756 No, she wasn't. 94 00:06:17,791 --> 00:06:19,137 I was wrong. 95 00:06:19,171 --> 00:06:22,589 This is a Wormian bone. 96 00:06:22,623 --> 00:06:23,969 What's a Wormian bone? 97 00:06:24,004 --> 00:06:25,557 It's a naturally occurring skull formation 98 00:06:25,592 --> 00:06:27,732 that can look like a fracture. 99 00:06:27,766 --> 00:06:31,149 And no one noticed this until now? 100 00:06:31,183 --> 00:06:33,772 Well, once the poker was dismissed as a murder weapon, 101 00:06:33,807 --> 00:06:35,636 we asked the pathologist to review her findings. 102 00:06:35,671 --> 00:06:37,086 She called in an anthropologist. 103 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,226 And that means what exactly? 104 00:06:39,260 --> 00:06:42,229 Lance Williams is not the Claremont serial killer. 105 00:06:42,263 --> 00:06:44,507 He has to be. 106 00:06:44,542 --> 00:06:47,199 Okay, he was out on the street every night, stalking girls. 107 00:06:47,234 --> 00:06:49,581 He fits every profile. 108 00:06:49,616 --> 00:06:51,894 A loner. The prostitutes. 109 00:06:51,928 --> 00:06:53,136 He failed the lie detector test. 110 00:06:53,171 --> 00:06:55,207 There is not one shred of evidence 111 00:06:55,242 --> 00:06:57,244 that connects Lance to the murders. 112 00:06:57,278 --> 00:07:00,765 There's no blood in his house, on his car, on his clothes. 113 00:07:00,799 --> 00:07:02,732 No fibers, no hair. 114 00:07:02,767 --> 00:07:04,251 Nikki: And none of his DNA was found 115 00:07:04,285 --> 00:07:05,632 anywhere at the crime scenes. 116 00:07:05,666 --> 00:07:07,841 Then why did the crimes stop? 117 00:07:07,875 --> 00:07:10,602 The second we started following Lance, they stopped. 118 00:07:10,637 --> 00:07:12,052 No more girls were taken. 119 00:07:12,086 --> 00:07:14,261 If I was a serial killer and I knew the police 120 00:07:14,295 --> 00:07:16,712 had a suspect... 121 00:07:16,746 --> 00:07:19,024 dumbest thing I can do is kill again. 122 00:07:29,034 --> 00:07:31,554 You still wanna work with us? 123 00:07:50,642 --> 00:07:52,264 Are you sure you want back in 124 00:07:52,299 --> 00:07:54,163 if they're just gonna pour shit on everything we did? 125 00:07:54,197 --> 00:07:56,165 They're smart, Bobbi. 126 00:07:56,199 --> 00:07:59,996 Dave's DNA-trained, and Nikki's a fiber expert. 127 00:08:00,031 --> 00:08:01,964 They've thrown out the suspect book. 128 00:08:01,998 --> 00:08:03,655 It's all about the evidence. 129 00:08:03,690 --> 00:08:06,762 You're gonna solve Australia's biggest cold case 130 00:08:06,796 --> 00:08:08,660 with three detectives? 131 00:08:11,214 --> 00:08:13,941 Sorry. Now it sounds like I'mthe one pouring shit. 132 00:08:15,218 --> 00:08:19,119 I hope you find him. I really do. 133 00:08:19,153 --> 00:08:21,535 You miss it, don't you? 134 00:08:21,570 --> 00:08:23,675 Unh-unh, unh-unh. 135 00:08:23,710 --> 00:08:25,884 I've moved on. Corporate's good. 136 00:08:25,919 --> 00:08:27,092 It is. 137 00:08:30,579 --> 00:08:32,373 Some things... 138 00:08:35,307 --> 00:08:38,828 ...maybe it's easier to leave them behind. 139 00:08:38,863 --> 00:08:41,969 Yeah. 140 00:08:42,004 --> 00:08:44,109 I'm gonna find him, Bobbi. 141 00:08:44,144 --> 00:08:46,008 Even if it kills me. 142 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,082 Make sure it doesn't. 143 00:08:53,878 --> 00:08:56,397 Ciara's missing thumbnail and middle finger. 144 00:08:56,432 --> 00:08:58,676 I remember. 145 00:08:58,710 --> 00:09:00,954 All that's left where the nail was are three red dots. 146 00:09:00,988 --> 00:09:02,714 Yeah, blood. 147 00:09:02,749 --> 00:09:05,130 So she's clawing at him so hard her nail has ripped off. 148 00:09:05,165 --> 00:09:06,994 You'd think she'd have to scrape some of his skin. 149 00:09:07,029 --> 00:09:09,928 Yeah, but the nail was never found at the crime scene. 150 00:09:09,963 --> 00:09:12,586 Caught in his clothes, fell off somewhere else? 151 00:09:14,795 --> 00:09:18,074 Was any of the remaining nail tested? 152 00:09:18,109 --> 00:09:20,249 Yes, we tested everything, and I mean everything. 153 00:09:20,283 --> 00:09:22,320 Every jar, every scrap of nail. 154 00:09:22,354 --> 00:09:25,772 Some went to New Zealand, some to the FBI. 155 00:09:25,806 --> 00:09:27,256 We tested every single one of these. 156 00:09:27,290 --> 00:09:29,776 - There's nothing else. - What about AJM40? 157 00:09:29,810 --> 00:09:32,157 It doesn't appear on any of the test results. 158 00:09:32,192 --> 00:09:35,367 AJM...40. 159 00:09:35,402 --> 00:09:37,784 Uh, AJM40. 160 00:09:37,818 --> 00:09:40,096 Let's see here. 161 00:09:40,131 --> 00:09:42,754 Aha! That's why. 162 00:09:42,789 --> 00:09:44,894 "Debris only. Not suitable for analysis." 163 00:09:49,968 --> 00:09:51,383 Why not? 164 00:09:51,418 --> 00:09:53,972 Well, because at the time, there wasn't enough 165 00:09:54,007 --> 00:09:56,181 in there to test. 166 00:09:56,216 --> 00:09:59,219 I think there might be enough now. 167 00:09:59,253 --> 00:10:02,671 For his services to Little Athletics, 168 00:10:02,705 --> 00:10:04,258 Bradley Edwards. 169 00:10:04,293 --> 00:10:05,777 Woman: Well done. 170 00:10:05,812 --> 00:10:07,434 Man: You did a good job. 171 00:10:21,690 --> 00:10:23,243 London lab called. It worked. 172 00:10:24,382 --> 00:10:26,073 Fax coming through now. 173 00:10:30,768 --> 00:10:33,046 They extracted two DNA sets. 174 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,496 The first belonged to Ciara... 175 00:10:35,531 --> 00:10:37,222 the other to an unknown male. 176 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:48,095 We've got his DNA. We've got the Claremont killer's DNA. 177 00:10:58,899 --> 00:11:01,108 Can we have a word with Lance, please? 178 00:11:01,143 --> 00:11:02,903 Man on TV: ...winning a brand-new car. 179 00:11:02,938 --> 00:11:04,802 When is this gonna stop? 180 00:11:04,836 --> 00:11:06,942 He's only just out of hospital. 181 00:11:06,976 --> 00:11:09,185 Depression, anxiety. 182 00:11:09,220 --> 00:11:11,498 Huh! No wonder. 183 00:11:11,532 --> 00:11:14,018 Mr. Williams. 184 00:11:14,052 --> 00:11:17,711 Uh, we wanted to tell you officially that you're no longer 185 00:11:17,746 --> 00:11:20,231 a person of interest in the Claremont matter. 186 00:11:23,544 --> 00:11:25,270 What does that mean? 187 00:11:25,305 --> 00:11:28,239 You won't be hearing from us anymore. 188 00:11:34,555 --> 00:11:36,903 I'm sorry. 189 00:11:36,937 --> 00:11:38,525 Roger. 190 00:11:41,045 --> 00:11:43,323 You were only doing your job. 191 00:11:46,533 --> 00:11:47,845 Question four. 192 00:11:50,571 --> 00:11:52,263 Jeffrey. 193 00:11:52,297 --> 00:11:54,023 Jeffrey: Pacific Ocean. 194 00:11:54,058 --> 00:11:55,507 No. 195 00:11:55,542 --> 00:11:56,854 The correct answer is the Indian Ocean. 196 00:11:56,888 --> 00:11:58,338 Question five. 197 00:11:58,372 --> 00:11:59,960 In which country would you find the Sphinx? 198 00:12:01,341 --> 00:12:04,793 The DNA isn't Lance Williams'. 199 00:12:04,827 --> 00:12:06,484 It's from the Karrakatta rapist. 200 00:12:06,518 --> 00:12:08,244 What? 201 00:12:08,279 --> 00:12:10,764 We tested the DNA against all the original major suspects -- 202 00:12:10,799 --> 00:12:12,455 the mayor, Steve Ross. 203 00:12:12,490 --> 00:12:13,802 Nothing. 204 00:12:13,836 --> 00:12:15,527 And then I remembered your case. 205 00:12:15,562 --> 00:12:17,081 Lisa. Karrakatta. 206 00:12:17,115 --> 00:12:18,289 And it matched? 207 00:12:18,323 --> 00:12:20,843 Well, it matched Unknown Male #4. 208 00:12:22,327 --> 00:12:24,364 You were right, Bobbi -- Lisa was raped by the man 209 00:12:24,398 --> 00:12:26,953 who went on to become the Claremont serial killer.Oh. 210 00:12:26,987 --> 00:12:29,818 I need you to come back in. 211 00:12:29,852 --> 00:12:31,302 Come on. Just to talk to them, okay? 212 00:12:31,336 --> 00:12:32,544 You know this case backwards. 213 00:12:32,579 --> 00:12:34,305 You can tell them better than me. 214 00:12:34,339 --> 00:12:36,134 No way. I'm out. I told you. 215 00:12:36,169 --> 00:12:38,136 This time, we are doing everything by the book, 216 00:12:38,171 --> 00:12:40,035 and when we catch this guy, 217 00:12:40,069 --> 00:12:41,484 we're gonna need you as a witness to present 218 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:44,039 the statement you took from Lisa in '96. 219 00:12:47,352 --> 00:12:49,941 Her name was Lisa Todd. She was 17. 220 00:12:49,976 --> 00:12:51,287 A year before Sarah went missing, 221 00:12:51,322 --> 00:12:53,048 she was partying in Claremont. 222 00:12:53,082 --> 00:12:55,982 On her way home, she was grabbed from Rowe Park. 223 00:12:56,016 --> 00:12:59,502 She was taken to Karrakatta Cemetery and raped. 224 00:12:59,537 --> 00:13:02,471 But the rape kit didn't match anyone on file at the time. 225 00:13:02,505 --> 00:13:04,128 So this Unknown Male #4 -- 226 00:13:04,162 --> 00:13:06,164 Macro was onto him as a suspect for Claremont. 227 00:13:06,199 --> 00:13:08,546 - What happened? - Well, Lisa was a blitz attack. 228 00:13:08,580 --> 00:13:12,515 It was thought all three girls willingly got into vehicles. 229 00:13:12,550 --> 00:13:15,242 Bobbi: These are the shorts she was wearing. 230 00:13:15,277 --> 00:13:18,176 Her T-shirt, underwear, shoes. 231 00:13:18,211 --> 00:13:21,007 And this is the cord he used to tie her. 232 00:13:21,041 --> 00:13:23,388 But we could never find any evidence the Claremont killer 233 00:13:23,423 --> 00:13:26,875 tied up any of the three girls, or attacked them from behind. 234 00:13:28,669 --> 00:13:30,913 What? 235 00:13:30,948 --> 00:13:33,951 We've gone back over Jane's postmortem photographs. 236 00:13:33,985 --> 00:13:35,331 There's a mark on her wrist 237 00:13:35,366 --> 00:13:36,988 that suggests she might have been tied up. 238 00:13:37,023 --> 00:13:38,990 But if the girls got into the vehicle voluntarily, 239 00:13:39,025 --> 00:13:40,923 when did he tie them? How would that work? 240 00:13:40,958 --> 00:13:42,925 We found other witnesses. 241 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,651 Girls who accepted lifts around the same time 242 00:13:44,685 --> 00:13:45,686 and had close calls. 243 00:13:45,721 --> 00:13:47,930 This one, Katrina Jones. 244 00:13:47,965 --> 00:13:49,967 Late 1995. She'd been at a wedding. 245 00:13:50,001 --> 00:13:52,417 At 2:30 in the morning, she was trying to get a lift. 246 00:13:52,452 --> 00:13:53,660 Bradley: You okay? 247 00:13:53,694 --> 00:13:55,869 No. As a matter of fact, I'm not. 248 00:13:55,904 --> 00:13:58,009 He offered her a lift. She said he seemed nice. 249 00:13:58,044 --> 00:13:59,390 Thanks so much. 250 00:13:59,424 --> 00:14:01,047 Nikki: She asked what he did for a living. 251 00:14:01,081 --> 00:14:03,290 He said he was a Telstra worker, like her brother. 252 00:14:03,325 --> 00:14:04,671 Dave: That's when things went wrong. 253 00:14:04,705 --> 00:14:06,190 Nikki: Yeah, she said she picked up vibes. 254 00:14:06,224 --> 00:14:07,881 She must have sensed something was wrong 255 00:14:07,916 --> 00:14:09,262 because she got him to drop her off five houses 256 00:14:09,296 --> 00:14:11,264 back from her car. 257 00:14:11,298 --> 00:14:14,923 Next minute, he was behind her. 258 00:14:19,962 --> 00:14:22,482 It's exactly what happened to Lisa. 259 00:14:22,516 --> 00:14:25,071 She'd already told him she was a blue belt in tae kwon do. 260 00:14:25,105 --> 00:14:26,313 He backed off. 261 00:14:26,348 --> 00:14:28,177 She tried to get his number plate, 262 00:14:28,212 --> 00:14:29,627 but all she had to write with was lipstick, so -- 263 00:14:29,661 --> 00:14:31,491 - So when was this? - Late '95. 264 00:14:31,525 --> 00:14:34,287 So after Karrakatta, but before Sarah. 265 00:14:34,321 --> 00:14:36,013 So that's what happened to Sarah. 266 00:14:36,047 --> 00:14:38,394 He actually drove her to Mosman Park and let her out. 267 00:14:38,429 --> 00:14:40,569 Then he came up behind her. 268 00:14:40,603 --> 00:14:41,915 So these witnesses... 269 00:14:41,950 --> 00:14:43,641 they all got into a Telstra vehicle? 270 00:14:43,675 --> 00:14:46,092 Or a white vehicle consistent with that. 271 00:14:46,126 --> 00:14:48,059 We're calling them the Telstra Living Witnesses. 272 00:14:48,094 --> 00:14:51,373 But after Karrakatta, we asked Telstra for a list of drivers. 273 00:14:51,407 --> 00:14:52,995 We checked every single one. 274 00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:55,066 In '95, Telstra logos 275 00:14:55,101 --> 00:14:57,206 were being changed over from the old Telecom. 276 00:14:57,241 --> 00:14:59,657 Macro asked for Telstra drivers. That's what you got. 277 00:14:59,691 --> 00:15:01,659 If the killer was still driving a Telecom vehicle, 278 00:15:01,693 --> 00:15:03,661 he missed the net. 279 00:15:05,214 --> 00:15:08,252 That is... 280 00:15:08,286 --> 00:15:09,736 unbelievable. 281 00:15:13,671 --> 00:15:16,501 But the problem then is the problem now. 282 00:15:16,536 --> 00:15:18,710 The Karrakatta rape was unsolved. 283 00:15:18,745 --> 00:15:21,196 How do we identify Unknown Male #4? 284 00:15:21,230 --> 00:15:23,612 Well, for starters, we're asking for a list of Telecom drivers 285 00:15:23,646 --> 00:15:25,579 from the '90s, but that could take some time. 286 00:15:25,614 --> 00:15:27,409 So we're also running his sample 287 00:15:27,443 --> 00:15:29,583 against every single piece of DNA 288 00:15:29,618 --> 00:15:31,206 that Macro ever collected. 289 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,071 We DNA-tested 9,000 local men. 290 00:15:34,105 --> 00:15:37,005 Plus over 2,000 taxi drivers and their cars. 291 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:39,455 Yeah, so don't hold your breath. 292 00:15:41,595 --> 00:15:44,495 Gavin. Ah. 293 00:15:44,529 --> 00:15:46,566 What happened to that update you promised me? 294 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:47,774 We're still working on it. 295 00:15:47,808 --> 00:15:50,466 Do you have anything? 296 00:15:50,501 --> 00:15:52,744 Come on, Gav. I could run with this any time. 297 00:15:52,779 --> 00:15:55,092 "Cold Case Unit secretly reopens Claremont." 298 00:15:55,126 --> 00:15:56,783 It's a great story for me. 299 00:15:56,817 --> 00:15:58,681 It's one night. 300 00:15:58,716 --> 00:16:01,098 If you hold off, I'll give you the biggest story of the year. 301 00:16:01,132 --> 00:16:03,652 When? Gav? 302 00:16:03,686 --> 00:16:06,241 You know, Sarah would have been 38 this year, 303 00:16:06,275 --> 00:16:09,485 and that her dad's still shearing 10 hours a day... 304 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:10,831 so he never has to stop 305 00:16:10,866 --> 00:16:13,006 and think about his missing daughter. 306 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,481 Don. Carol. 307 00:16:45,694 --> 00:16:46,764 Sorry. 308 00:16:46,798 --> 00:16:49,456 It's not you. 309 00:16:49,491 --> 00:16:52,459 We've got his DNA. 310 00:16:52,494 --> 00:16:55,221 We've matched him to a precursor crime. 311 00:16:55,255 --> 00:16:58,293 Now we've just gotta match his DNA with a name. 312 00:17:01,399 --> 00:17:04,299 You know what I don't get? 313 00:17:04,333 --> 00:17:07,612 Someone out there knows who it is. 314 00:17:07,647 --> 00:17:09,407 Someone who works with him. 315 00:17:09,442 --> 00:17:11,685 Someone who gave birth to him. 316 00:17:15,620 --> 00:17:17,450 Do they know? 317 00:17:39,230 --> 00:17:40,542 Alison: Hello? 318 00:17:40,576 --> 00:17:43,855 Alison. Got a pen and paper? 319 00:17:43,890 --> 00:17:47,411 It's been nearly 20 years since Sarah Spiers went missing -- 320 00:17:47,445 --> 00:17:50,345 the first victim of the Claremont serial killer. 321 00:17:50,379 --> 00:17:51,587 Or wasshe? 322 00:17:51,622 --> 00:17:53,175 In a sensational breakthrough, 323 00:17:53,210 --> 00:17:54,728 sources close to police have revealed 324 00:17:54,763 --> 00:17:57,110 they have forensic evidence linking the man 325 00:17:57,145 --> 00:18:00,355 who murdered Ciara Glennon to an earlier victim. 326 00:18:00,389 --> 00:18:03,185 Her identity remains a closely guarded secret. 327 00:18:03,220 --> 00:18:05,498 If they've got the forensic evidence, 328 00:18:05,532 --> 00:18:07,327 why can't they just arrest him? ...from the streets of Claremont 329 00:18:07,362 --> 00:18:09,778 and brutally raped in Karrakatta Cemetery 330 00:18:09,812 --> 00:18:11,952 managed to escape. 331 00:18:11,987 --> 00:18:14,507 They now believe there may have been earlier attacks, 332 00:18:14,541 --> 00:18:16,888 what they're calling "precursor crimes." 333 00:18:16,923 --> 00:18:18,787 They're looking for young women who were assaulted 334 00:18:18,821 --> 00:18:20,927 in the Claremont area before Sarah -- 335 00:18:22,687 --> 00:18:25,897 I can give Maddie a lift if you like. 336 00:18:25,932 --> 00:18:28,279 Ah, yes. Yeah, okay. 337 00:18:28,314 --> 00:18:30,937 Oh, have you thought more about her 21st? 338 00:18:30,971 --> 00:18:34,423 Well, thinking about it's one thing, but how do we pay for it? 339 00:18:34,458 --> 00:18:36,667 I don't understand why we're always so short. 340 00:18:36,701 --> 00:18:38,807 You know, we're both working. I'm not spending it on anything. 341 00:18:38,841 --> 00:18:40,498 So where's it all going? 342 00:18:41,948 --> 00:18:44,295 Hey, Dad, can I grab a lift to uni today? 343 00:18:44,330 --> 00:18:45,538 Yeah, sure, but I'm going now. 344 00:18:45,572 --> 00:18:46,780 - Yeah, I'm ready. - Okay. 345 00:18:46,815 --> 00:18:48,230 See ya, Mum. 346 00:18:48,265 --> 00:18:50,853 Bye. 347 00:18:50,888 --> 00:18:52,338 Brad? 348 00:18:52,372 --> 00:18:55,341 We need to talk about this. 349 00:19:08,008 --> 00:19:10,425 It's in all the papers, all over the TV. 350 00:19:10,459 --> 00:19:11,874 You've completely blown our cover. 351 00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:13,807 Someone needed to put a rocket under the case. 352 00:19:13,842 --> 00:19:15,740 This will get us blasted out of the job. 353 00:19:15,775 --> 00:19:17,811 But now we're actually getting calls. 354 00:19:17,846 --> 00:19:21,367 Other women who were picked up in Claremont at the same time. 355 00:19:21,401 --> 00:19:22,851 Crime Stoppers is getting hammered. 356 00:19:22,885 --> 00:19:24,370 Yeah, and who's gonna process all the leads 357 00:19:24,404 --> 00:19:27,580 if we get fired, hmm? 358 00:19:35,657 --> 00:19:36,934 Santos. 359 00:19:36,968 --> 00:19:38,453 Yep. 360 00:19:38,487 --> 00:19:40,040 Yep, he's here. 361 00:19:40,075 --> 00:19:41,594 It's the boss. 362 00:19:43,492 --> 00:19:45,391 Medcalf. 363 00:19:45,425 --> 00:19:48,256 Yes, sir. 364 00:19:48,290 --> 00:19:50,430 No, I understand. 365 00:19:50,465 --> 00:19:51,845 Yes. 366 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,504 Yes, I should have consulted you. 367 00:19:55,539 --> 00:19:57,265 Okay. 368 00:20:01,303 --> 00:20:03,063 Are we fired? 369 00:20:03,098 --> 00:20:05,342 No. 370 00:20:05,376 --> 00:20:07,965 No, he's, uh -- He's giving us more people. 371 00:21:56,418 --> 00:21:59,594 Thanks. Thanks, Julie. 372 00:21:59,628 --> 00:22:01,837 We are getting dozens of calls about Claremont. 373 00:22:01,872 --> 00:22:03,805 - From who? - Women who accepted lifts 374 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:05,013 from white cars in the '90s 375 00:22:05,047 --> 00:22:06,946 and never came forward.Why not? 376 00:22:06,980 --> 00:22:08,775 With all the Lance Williams talk in the papers, 377 00:22:08,810 --> 00:22:10,432 they thought you already had the guy. 378 00:22:10,467 --> 00:22:13,055 But, God, it's been so long now, no one can ID him. 379 00:22:13,090 --> 00:22:14,850 Any news from the DNA tests? 380 00:22:14,885 --> 00:22:16,852 We've checked the sample against every single piece of DNA 381 00:22:16,887 --> 00:22:19,165 on the West Australian database -- nothing. 382 00:22:19,199 --> 00:22:21,616 We have to wait for the international 383 00:22:21,650 --> 00:22:23,031 and national requests now. 384 00:22:23,065 --> 00:22:25,516 That'll take months. How can we be so close? 385 00:22:25,551 --> 00:22:26,793 We've got his DNA, for God's sake. 386 00:22:26,828 --> 00:22:28,761 Is there anything else we can do? 387 00:22:32,661 --> 00:22:35,008 We want to test Jane's hair for fibers. 388 00:22:35,043 --> 00:22:37,528 Jane had been to the hairdresser the morning before her death, 389 00:22:37,563 --> 00:22:39,599 so any fibers in her hair can be narrowed down 390 00:22:39,634 --> 00:22:41,187 to having got there after that. 391 00:22:41,221 --> 00:22:42,982 You're hoping to find something from the perpetrator? 392 00:22:43,016 --> 00:22:44,432 Well, it's a long shot, we know, 393 00:22:44,466 --> 00:22:45,812 but the paperwork says you collected 394 00:22:45,847 --> 00:22:48,436 Jane's entire hair mass during the postmortem? 395 00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:50,507 We've searched Trace. It's not there, so... 396 00:22:50,541 --> 00:22:54,511 Because I sent it to Toxicology, not Trace. 397 00:22:54,545 --> 00:22:56,789 At the time, I wanted to test for drugs. 398 00:22:56,823 --> 00:22:58,584 I thought maybe she'd been administered something 399 00:22:58,618 --> 00:22:59,964 to knock her out. 400 00:22:59,999 --> 00:23:03,209 - So it's still at Tox? - As far as I know. 401 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,834 Right, what am I looking at?Isn't it obvious? 402 00:23:07,869 --> 00:23:09,871 To someone with a PhD in fibers, sure. 403 00:23:09,905 --> 00:23:11,459 Let's just pretend that's not me. 404 00:23:11,493 --> 00:23:15,083 Okay. So this is a fiber we found in Jane's hair. 405 00:23:15,117 --> 00:23:17,879 The Forensic guys managed to extract 20 of these. 406 00:23:17,913 --> 00:23:19,156 Do we know what they are? 407 00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:20,985 Well, some, we have no idea. 408 00:23:21,020 --> 00:23:22,573 Fibers you can't match with anything. 409 00:23:22,608 --> 00:23:25,058 But this one, this has a name -- Blue Graphite. 410 00:23:25,093 --> 00:23:27,923 And it matches the upholstery of a -- 411 00:23:27,958 --> 00:23:29,546 cheers -- 412 00:23:29,580 --> 00:23:32,031 Holden Commodore V6 Series 1 station wagon. 413 00:23:32,065 --> 00:23:33,688 Why do I know that vehicle? 414 00:23:33,722 --> 00:23:35,034 Because it's the vehicle the Burger Boys described 415 00:23:35,068 --> 00:23:36,691 seeing the night Ciara was taken. 416 00:23:36,725 --> 00:23:38,589 Man: Check her out. 417 00:23:38,624 --> 00:23:40,557 It was a white, late-model Series 1 418 00:23:40,591 --> 00:23:42,144 VS Holden station wagon. 419 00:23:42,179 --> 00:23:44,250 Did Macro look for Holden station wagons at the time? 420 00:23:44,284 --> 00:23:45,803 Yep, but that search was shelved 421 00:23:45,838 --> 00:23:47,771 once we started focusing on Lance. 422 00:23:47,805 --> 00:23:49,773 He drove a Toyota Camry. 423 00:23:51,878 --> 00:23:53,570 So is this it? One fiber? 424 00:23:53,604 --> 00:23:55,744 No. Other fibers collected match a different carpet 425 00:23:55,779 --> 00:23:57,919 made especially for the cargo area of Holdens. 426 00:23:57,953 --> 00:24:00,024 Suggesting Jane was in the cargo area 427 00:24:00,059 --> 00:24:02,475 sometime after her visit to the hairdresser. 428 00:24:02,510 --> 00:24:04,960 Yeah, and there's more. Fibers found on Ciara 429 00:24:04,995 --> 00:24:08,688 match the carpet from the same make of car. 430 00:24:08,723 --> 00:24:11,311 We're going car hunting, boys and girls. 431 00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:37,717 Bradley: I gotta tell you something. 432 00:24:37,752 --> 00:24:39,236 You getting cold feet about the wedding? 433 00:24:40,755 --> 00:24:42,688 I got a criminal record. 434 00:24:44,241 --> 00:24:45,587 Wh-- 435 00:24:45,622 --> 00:24:49,315 After my first wife cheated on me, 436 00:24:49,349 --> 00:24:52,076 I had... 437 00:24:52,111 --> 00:24:53,526 I just -- I couldn't handle it. 438 00:24:53,561 --> 00:24:55,632 I had a brain snap. 439 00:24:55,666 --> 00:24:56,978 What happened? 440 00:24:57,012 --> 00:24:58,738 There was this woman at work, and... 441 00:24:58,773 --> 00:25:00,706 I took it out on her. 442 00:25:00,740 --> 00:25:02,293 Sexually? 443 00:25:02,328 --> 00:25:03,950 No, no, it was nothing like that. 444 00:25:03,985 --> 00:25:06,850 They called it a common assault. It was stupid. 445 00:25:06,884 --> 00:25:08,541 I don't know what came over me. 446 00:25:08,576 --> 00:25:10,854 It was like I just snapped, you know? 447 00:25:12,027 --> 00:25:15,997 It was so dumb. It was so dumb. 448 00:25:16,031 --> 00:25:19,725 I just wanted you to know before we got married. 449 00:25:21,036 --> 00:25:23,763 Hey. Hey! 450 00:25:23,798 --> 00:25:25,593 I just feel so ashamed. 451 00:25:27,077 --> 00:25:30,701 Hey. Hey, it's okay. It's alright. 452 00:25:30,736 --> 00:25:33,635 I just wanted to be honest with you. 453 00:25:33,670 --> 00:25:35,948 Okay. It's alright. 454 00:25:46,234 --> 00:25:48,788 We went through car lots, wrecking yards. 455 00:25:48,823 --> 00:25:51,411 Took apart every '96 V6 Commodore we could find. 456 00:25:51,446 --> 00:25:53,034 Nothing? 457 00:25:53,068 --> 00:25:54,794 And nothing from trying to check the workers 458 00:25:54,829 --> 00:25:57,417 who drove Telecom cars. They no longer have the records. 459 00:25:57,452 --> 00:25:59,419 It has been 20 years. 460 00:25:59,454 --> 00:26:02,319 Yeah. 461 00:26:02,353 --> 00:26:05,322 Hey, are you seeing anyone? 462 00:26:05,356 --> 00:26:08,394 What? No. 463 00:26:08,428 --> 00:26:10,327 Pick up some random for the fun of it? 464 00:26:10,361 --> 00:26:15,021 No, just try to have some sort of life outside this case. 465 00:26:15,953 --> 00:26:18,922 Did I tell you we didn't get a DNA match from interstate? 466 00:26:18,956 --> 00:26:21,131 It's amazing. This guy just does not have a criminal record. 467 00:26:21,165 --> 00:26:23,305 He has to. No one starts with rape and murder. 468 00:26:23,340 --> 00:26:24,859 There has to be some sort of apprenticeship. 469 00:26:24,893 --> 00:26:27,171 Something even before Karrakatta. 470 00:26:29,449 --> 00:26:32,176 What? 471 00:26:32,211 --> 00:26:34,109 You just gave me an idea. 472 00:26:38,217 --> 00:26:41,220 Hey, come here. Come here. 473 00:26:41,254 --> 00:26:44,361 What if this guy was involved in a minor crime and pled guilty? 474 00:26:44,395 --> 00:26:47,191 It's possible his DNA was collected but never tested. 475 00:26:47,226 --> 00:26:49,124 'Cause the police didn't have to prove his guilt. 476 00:26:49,159 --> 00:26:51,817 Exactly. We need to go back through the old files. 477 00:26:51,851 --> 00:26:54,060 Any sexual offense pre-1995. 478 00:26:54,095 --> 00:26:56,442 Okay. 479 00:27:07,246 --> 00:27:09,420 This box shouldn't even be here. 480 00:27:13,459 --> 00:27:15,081 This isn't even a sex crime. 481 00:27:15,116 --> 00:27:18,050 It's some kind of standover operation in the '90s. 482 00:27:20,017 --> 00:27:21,467 What's Huntingdale? 483 00:27:26,368 --> 00:27:29,233 Uh... 484 00:27:29,268 --> 00:27:32,409 Looks like a series of break-ins in and around Huntingdale. 485 00:27:32,443 --> 00:27:34,929 Women's underwear being stolen off the line. 486 00:27:34,963 --> 00:27:37,863 Frequent sightings of a prowler breaking into houses. 487 00:27:37,897 --> 00:27:39,381 Yeah, that was found at one of the assaults. 488 00:27:39,416 --> 00:27:44,248 A...stocking used as a gag and bindings. 489 00:27:44,283 --> 00:27:45,905 The attacker brought those with him? 490 00:27:45,940 --> 00:27:48,839 Mm. 491 00:27:48,874 --> 00:27:51,359 Mostly rapists don't come with restraints. 492 00:27:53,499 --> 00:27:55,846 The Karrakatta rapist did. 493 00:28:14,865 --> 00:28:18,904 That's it. That's what he was wearing. 494 00:28:18,938 --> 00:28:21,803 Dave: This was, uh, February 1988? 495 00:28:21,838 --> 00:28:23,805 Valentine's Day. 496 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,049 Do you remember what he looked like? 497 00:28:26,083 --> 00:28:29,466 No! No! 498 00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:31,882 No, I didn't see his face. 499 00:28:31,917 --> 00:28:34,264 Uh, Gavin? 500 00:28:34,298 --> 00:28:35,886 Excuse me. 501 00:28:38,509 --> 00:28:40,580 We just had a call from PathWest. 502 00:28:40,615 --> 00:28:42,893 They got a hit?Semen on the kimono. 503 00:28:42,928 --> 00:28:44,101 It matches both the Karrakatta rapist 504 00:28:44,136 --> 00:28:46,103 and Ciara's left thumbnail. 505 00:29:01,325 --> 00:29:03,880 Is there anything else you can tell us about your attacker? 506 00:29:03,914 --> 00:29:07,021 Anything that might help identify him? 507 00:29:07,055 --> 00:29:09,333 Well, at the time, I had no idea who the hell he was, 508 00:29:09,368 --> 00:29:13,821 but afterwards, when I started to tell my story to people, 509 00:29:13,855 --> 00:29:15,477 everyone started telling their own story 510 00:29:15,512 --> 00:29:18,584 about this guy being around the neighborhood at the time. 511 00:29:18,618 --> 00:29:19,999 Other sexual assaults? 512 00:29:20,034 --> 00:29:23,037 No, mostly it was pranking stuff. 513 00:29:23,071 --> 00:29:27,179 This guy would run around the streets and break into houses. 514 00:29:27,213 --> 00:29:29,595 He'd wear women's underwear on his head. 515 00:29:29,629 --> 00:29:31,321 Everyone thought it was funny. 516 00:29:31,355 --> 00:29:33,841 They used to call him the Huntingdale Weirdo. 517 00:30:58,304 --> 00:31:00,030 The Huntingdale Weirdo. 518 00:31:00,065 --> 00:31:03,309 Geez, he got around. There must be dozens of break-ins. 519 00:31:03,344 --> 00:31:05,691 We just need one where he left prints. 520 00:31:12,042 --> 00:31:13,664 Hmm. 521 00:31:28,748 --> 00:31:31,751 Think I've found something. 522 00:31:31,786 --> 00:31:34,478 This was an attempt to break in not too far from Kylee's house, 523 00:31:34,513 --> 00:31:36,273 and only a few days after her attack. 524 00:31:36,308 --> 00:31:39,932 He left... 525 00:31:39,967 --> 00:31:42,038 He left prints, but he didn't get in. 526 00:31:42,072 --> 00:31:44,972 Question is, do they match anyone in the system? 527 00:31:52,151 --> 00:31:56,155 Bradley Robert Edwards. 1990. 528 00:31:56,190 --> 00:31:58,502 It's the only offense ever recorded against him. 529 00:31:58,537 --> 00:32:00,056 Was it a sex crime? 530 00:32:00,090 --> 00:32:01,402 Apparently the file just says "common assault," 531 00:32:01,436 --> 00:32:03,335 which is why it wasn't picked up earlier. 532 00:32:03,369 --> 00:32:06,614 Macro was only looking for precursor sex crimes. 533 00:32:06,648 --> 00:32:09,272 Is there a witness? 534 00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:16,935 There was nothing "common" about it. 535 00:32:19,558 --> 00:32:21,422 I thought I was gonna die. 536 00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:31,466 I have no doubt... he intended to rape me. 537 00:32:33,330 --> 00:32:36,264 The level of aggression... 538 00:32:36,299 --> 00:32:37,990 it was just insane. 539 00:32:40,613 --> 00:32:42,339 I was on the floor with a gag in my mouth, 540 00:32:42,374 --> 00:32:45,446 being dragged to the toilets. 541 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,070 And you told all this to the police? 542 00:32:49,105 --> 00:32:50,554 Yep. 543 00:32:55,766 --> 00:32:58,735 I'm sorry! I'm sorry, I'm sorry! 544 00:32:58,769 --> 00:33:01,462 Everyone treated it like it was nothing. 545 00:33:05,397 --> 00:33:08,572 I even had a meeting with his boss. 546 00:33:08,607 --> 00:33:13,129 And they were saying, "Oh, he's such a nice guy. 547 00:33:13,163 --> 00:33:14,509 He was having relationship problems. 548 00:33:14,544 --> 00:33:17,202 He just had a brain snap." 549 00:33:19,445 --> 00:33:22,241 I mean, seriously, what kind of guy turns up to a hospital 550 00:33:22,276 --> 00:33:23,794 in broad daylight to fix your phones 551 00:33:23,829 --> 00:33:26,418 and tries to rape a social worker? 552 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:35,151 I couldn't believe it was being swept under the carpet. 553 00:33:35,185 --> 00:33:36,773 Fix the phones? 554 00:33:36,807 --> 00:33:39,155 Yeah. 555 00:33:39,189 --> 00:33:42,261 That's why he was there. He was a Telstra technician. 556 00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:01,591 That's him. That's our killer. 557 00:34:01,625 --> 00:34:03,903 At the time of the Huntingdale prowler attacks, 558 00:34:03,938 --> 00:34:06,423 he was an 18-year-old living at home with his parents. 559 00:34:06,458 --> 00:34:07,735 This is their house. 560 00:34:07,769 --> 00:34:09,116 These are the houses where break-ins 561 00:34:09,150 --> 00:34:10,669 or sightings were reported. 562 00:34:10,703 --> 00:34:12,705 This is the house where Kylee Cosgrove was attacked 563 00:34:12,740 --> 00:34:15,536 and the kimono found. Now, he knew this house. 564 00:34:15,570 --> 00:34:19,091 Wasn't too far from where he lived with his parents. 565 00:34:19,126 --> 00:34:21,783 His vehicles match. At the time of Karrakatta, 566 00:34:21,818 --> 00:34:24,579 he was driving a Telecom Mitsubishi van. 567 00:34:24,614 --> 00:34:26,340 This matches the description Lisa Todd 568 00:34:26,374 --> 00:34:30,206 gave of the cargo area she was thrown into in '95. 569 00:34:32,725 --> 00:34:35,694 His next vehicle was a white Toyota Camry station wagon, 570 00:34:35,728 --> 00:34:39,353 which Sarah Spiers may have mistaken for a taxi. 571 00:34:39,387 --> 00:34:42,218 But in 1997, he was driving this. 572 00:34:42,252 --> 00:34:45,152 A Holden Commodore V6 Series 1 station wagon -- 573 00:34:45,186 --> 00:34:47,844 the exact vehicle the Burger Boys described. 574 00:34:47,878 --> 00:34:49,846 And we found the car. 575 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,641 Miraculously, it's still in operation. 576 00:34:51,675 --> 00:34:54,161 We've tracked it to a plant nursery in Chidlow. 577 00:34:54,195 --> 00:34:55,541 The Burger Boys described the wheels 578 00:34:55,576 --> 00:34:57,474 as having teardrop-shaped cutouts. 579 00:34:57,509 --> 00:34:59,304 That wasn't standard for that model Holden. 580 00:34:59,338 --> 00:35:02,445 We thought they got it wrong. They didn't. 581 00:35:02,479 --> 00:35:06,276 Now, the question is... when do we make our move? 582 00:35:06,311 --> 00:35:08,520 And are we absolutely sure this is our man? 583 00:35:08,554 --> 00:35:11,316 And the big problem -- Did he stop after Ciara? 584 00:35:11,350 --> 00:35:14,457 - Why would he? - He got married. 585 00:35:14,491 --> 00:35:16,838 We think this gave him the stability he needed 586 00:35:16,873 --> 00:35:18,806 to put a stopper to the anger. 587 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,499 And if that is true, then we have another problem, 588 00:35:22,534 --> 00:35:25,571 because it appears the second wife has just moved out. 589 00:35:25,606 --> 00:35:27,711 So we need to move now. 590 00:36:21,696 --> 00:36:23,215 - Police! Don't move! - On the ground! 591 00:36:23,250 --> 00:36:25,044 - Down on your knees! - Stay where you are! 592 00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:26,770 Hands on your head! 593 00:36:30,878 --> 00:36:32,397 Hands behind your back. 594 00:36:32,431 --> 00:36:33,812 I have in my possession a search warrant issued 595 00:36:33,846 --> 00:36:36,435 under the Criminal Investigation Act. 596 00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:38,920 Right, that's for you. 597 00:36:38,955 --> 00:36:40,888 Bradley Robert Edwards, you are now being arrested 598 00:36:40,922 --> 00:36:42,993 on suspicion of the willful murder of Ciara Glennon... 599 00:36:43,028 --> 00:36:44,650 What? What the......Jane Rimmer... 600 00:36:44,685 --> 00:36:46,031 and Sarah Spiers.You gotta be joking. 601 00:36:46,065 --> 00:36:47,757 You're also being arrested on suspicion 602 00:36:47,791 --> 00:36:50,656 of a break-in and assault in Huntingdale in 1988, 603 00:36:50,691 --> 00:36:53,659 and a rape in Karrakatta Cemetery in 1995. 604 00:36:53,694 --> 00:36:56,041 As a person arrested on suspicion, you've got rights. 605 00:36:56,075 --> 00:36:57,698 I'm gonna go through those rights with you now, 606 00:36:57,732 --> 00:37:00,494 okay, so listen carefully. Do you have to speak to me? 607 00:37:00,528 --> 00:37:02,530 No.Are you aware that this is being recorded? 608 00:37:02,565 --> 00:37:04,394 I'm just trying to process what's going on.Okay. 609 00:37:04,429 --> 00:37:07,328 Is there any property here that belongs to Ciara Glennon... 610 00:37:07,363 --> 00:37:09,296 What? Don't... ...Jane Rimmer, or Sarah Spiers? 611 00:37:09,330 --> 00:37:10,987 Why would there be anything like that here? 612 00:37:11,021 --> 00:37:13,679 Better get him out of here. Press has got wind of this. 613 00:37:13,714 --> 00:37:16,095 Alright, get him out of here.Can I just call my parents? 614 00:37:20,617 --> 00:37:22,274 Officer: Watch your step. 615 00:37:31,456 --> 00:37:33,596 Woman: Detective, any comments? 616 00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:37,738 Okay, go. Get out of here. 617 00:37:43,675 --> 00:37:45,780 Dave: You've got to find us something from one of the girls, 618 00:37:45,815 --> 00:37:46,988 anything linking Edwards to them. 619 00:37:47,023 --> 00:37:48,818 Ciara's brooch, Jane's clothes, 620 00:37:48,852 --> 00:37:50,854 Sarah, that -- that key ring. 621 00:37:50,889 --> 00:37:52,339 A sunflower, yeah. We'll find something. 622 00:37:52,373 --> 00:37:53,512 Is he lawyering up? 623 00:37:53,547 --> 00:37:54,858 Not yet. Said he doesn't want one. 624 00:37:54,893 --> 00:37:56,308 Ring me when you've got something. 625 00:37:56,343 --> 00:37:57,792 Yeah. 626 00:38:01,831 --> 00:38:04,005 You lead in there. 627 00:38:05,973 --> 00:38:07,733 You're about the same age. 628 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,945 Build up some rapport. 629 00:38:12,980 --> 00:38:16,811 Keep it friendly, and let's make him sing. 630 00:38:22,541 --> 00:38:25,130 Oh, shit. 631 00:38:25,164 --> 00:38:27,822 You promised me the biggest story of the year, 632 00:38:27,857 --> 00:38:31,170 and then I see some blond bimbo reporting it live? 633 00:38:31,205 --> 00:38:32,793 I was gonna call you, Alison. 634 00:38:32,827 --> 00:38:35,451 I can't talk right now. 635 00:38:35,485 --> 00:38:37,660 Gavin? 636 00:38:37,694 --> 00:38:40,387 Reporter: The police have not yet issued an official statement. 637 00:38:40,421 --> 00:38:42,354 Gavin: Okay. 638 00:38:52,468 --> 00:38:56,023 Okay. We just wanted to ask you a couple of questions. 639 00:38:56,057 --> 00:38:57,783 Maybe we can just start at the beginning? 640 00:38:57,818 --> 00:38:59,371 Sure. 641 00:38:59,406 --> 00:39:02,995 Why don't you tell us about your childhood? 642 00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:04,928 But what does my childhood have to... 643 00:39:04,963 --> 00:39:06,827 Just to get to know you, you know? 644 00:39:06,861 --> 00:39:10,796 Okay. We... We lived in a van for a while 645 00:39:10,831 --> 00:39:14,144 because my dad was always traveling for work, 646 00:39:14,179 --> 00:39:16,077 but, um, it was good, you know? 647 00:39:16,112 --> 00:39:17,631 We saw my parents' friends a lot. 648 00:39:17,665 --> 00:39:20,392 Had barbecues on weekends. 649 00:39:20,427 --> 00:39:23,947 Pretty normal, just growing-up stuff. 650 00:39:49,697 --> 00:39:51,250 And you wore glasses? 651 00:39:51,285 --> 00:39:52,942 Yeah.Mm. 652 00:39:52,976 --> 00:39:54,461 Yeah, I wasn't the best-looking kid. 653 00:39:54,495 --> 00:39:56,186 I got teased about it.Oh, okay. 654 00:39:56,221 --> 00:39:57,912 That's hard.Mm. 655 00:39:57,947 --> 00:40:00,915 So I started wearing contact lenses when I was about 20. 656 00:40:00,950 --> 00:40:02,572 20. 657 00:40:02,607 --> 00:40:04,954 But you wore glasses before that? 658 00:40:04,988 --> 00:40:07,888 Yeah. Mm. Okay. 659 00:40:15,482 --> 00:40:18,450 Valentine's Day in 1988. Do you remember where you were? 660 00:40:18,485 --> 00:40:21,626 Come on, mate. I can't even remember where I was last week. 661 00:40:21,660 --> 00:40:22,730 Yeah. 662 00:40:27,597 --> 00:40:30,013 Do you remember Kylee Cosgrove? 663 00:40:33,085 --> 00:40:35,916 She lived not far from you in Huntingdale. 664 00:40:35,950 --> 00:40:38,505 Uh, no, I don't think so. 665 00:40:38,539 --> 00:40:39,920 Don't think so? 666 00:40:39,954 --> 00:40:41,542 No. 667 00:40:41,577 --> 00:40:43,475 She didn't go to your school? 668 00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:44,718 No. 669 00:40:44,752 --> 00:40:46,927 I mean, we might have... 670 00:40:46,961 --> 00:40:48,756 I remember -- I remember the name Cosgrove. 671 00:40:48,791 --> 00:40:50,896 I think my brother used to swim at their pool or something, 672 00:40:50,931 --> 00:40:52,311 but I-I don't -- I didn't cross paths 673 00:40:52,346 --> 00:40:53,761 with any Kylee Cosgrove. 674 00:40:53,796 --> 00:40:55,176 Okay. Yep. 675 00:40:55,211 --> 00:40:56,868 Mm. 676 00:40:56,902 --> 00:41:00,768 And you know anything about a kimono? 677 00:41:00,803 --> 00:41:04,254 Two birds, red flowers on the back? 678 00:41:04,289 --> 00:41:06,015 No. Nothing. 679 00:41:06,049 --> 00:41:08,327 Nothing. 680 00:41:08,362 --> 00:41:10,329 Maybe we can back up a bit. 681 00:41:10,364 --> 00:41:12,918 Can you tell us about your first marriage? 682 00:41:12,953 --> 00:41:16,197 First marriage?Yeah. 683 00:41:16,232 --> 00:41:18,924 I was depressed. 684 00:41:18,959 --> 00:41:22,652 Um, I drank a lot. 685 00:41:22,687 --> 00:41:25,034 You know why she left? 686 00:41:25,068 --> 00:41:28,037 We, uh... 687 00:41:28,071 --> 00:41:30,626 We had a lodger, and she took up with him. 688 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,809 But I still kinda loved her, you know? 689 00:41:41,844 --> 00:41:43,708 And her parents told my parents that leaving me 690 00:41:43,742 --> 00:41:46,020 was the worst decision that she ever made. 691 00:41:46,055 --> 00:41:50,300 Mm. Your wife left you around Australia Day '96? 692 00:41:50,335 --> 00:41:52,233 Yeah, probably about then. 693 00:41:52,268 --> 00:41:55,685 That's about when Sarah Spiers went missing. 694 00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:59,309 Isn't it? Yeah. 695 00:41:59,344 --> 00:42:04,107 And you found out your wife was pregnant to this lodger... 696 00:42:04,142 --> 00:42:06,213 I guess. Well, if... Yeah, June. 697 00:42:06,247 --> 00:42:08,042 June 1996. 698 00:42:11,011 --> 00:42:14,186 That's about the time Jane Rimmer went missing. 699 00:42:14,221 --> 00:42:16,603 Mm... 700 00:42:16,637 --> 00:42:17,983 And I've got here you sold the home you bought 701 00:42:18,018 --> 00:42:21,090 with your first wife in January of 1997. 702 00:42:21,124 --> 00:42:25,197 That's around the time Ciara Glennon was abducted. 703 00:42:25,232 --> 00:42:29,339 That's a hell of a coincidence. Is that right -- those dates? 704 00:42:29,374 --> 00:42:31,307 Look, I don't know anything about any of that. 705 00:42:31,341 --> 00:42:34,344 I'm trying to be as honest with you blokes as I can. 706 00:42:37,416 --> 00:42:40,627 Will you submit to giving a DNA sample? 707 00:42:40,661 --> 00:42:41,731 DNA? 708 00:42:41,766 --> 00:42:44,078 Yeah, for testing. 709 00:42:44,113 --> 00:42:46,667 You can oblige willingly, or we can get a court order, 710 00:42:46,702 --> 00:42:51,051 but either way, yeah, we'll get it. 711 00:42:51,085 --> 00:42:52,915 No, no, I'll give it. I don't mind. 712 00:42:52,949 --> 00:42:54,675 I keep telling you I've got nothing to hide. 713 00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:56,125 Just wanna go to sleep and wake up, 714 00:42:56,159 --> 00:42:57,782 and this'll all be over. You know what I mean? 715 00:43:09,069 --> 00:43:12,693 Hey, Dave. We found porn, snuff films, 716 00:43:12,728 --> 00:43:14,350 women's underwear with the crotch cut out, 717 00:43:14,384 --> 00:43:17,215 homemade sex toys, some stuff he's written about rape. 718 00:43:17,249 --> 00:43:19,424 I mean, this guy's a psycho fuck, but... 719 00:43:19,458 --> 00:43:21,115 There's nothing to connect him to the girls? 720 00:43:21,150 --> 00:43:24,429 Yeah, not yet. Neither clothing, nor jewelry. 721 00:43:24,463 --> 00:43:26,914 Not one trophy. He's either hidden it, or... 722 00:43:26,949 --> 00:43:28,191 He got rid of it. 723 00:43:28,226 --> 00:43:29,883 Yeah. How's the interview going? 724 00:43:29,917 --> 00:43:31,263 Uh, he's denying everything. 725 00:43:31,298 --> 00:43:33,196 He's lying, Nikki. He's making shit up. 726 00:43:33,231 --> 00:43:34,922 But you still have enough to charge him? 727 00:43:34,957 --> 00:43:37,649 Yeah, but, you know, a confession would be bloody nice. 728 00:43:37,684 --> 00:43:39,133 I'll get one. I'll get a confession. 729 00:43:39,168 --> 00:43:41,032 Gav. 730 00:43:41,066 --> 00:43:42,481 We'll have new DNA results within an hour, 731 00:43:42,516 --> 00:43:44,276 and when they match with what we found on Ciara, 732 00:43:44,311 --> 00:43:45,692 we won't need a confession. 733 00:43:45,726 --> 00:43:47,279 What, he gave his DNA willingly? 734 00:43:47,314 --> 00:43:49,281 He did.Shit. 735 00:43:49,316 --> 00:43:50,697 He either doesn't think we have anything 736 00:43:50,731 --> 00:43:52,284 to compare it to or he's not our guy. 737 00:43:52,319 --> 00:43:55,253 He's our guy. Right, we'll talk soon, eh? 738 00:43:59,464 --> 00:44:01,777 You bet he is. 739 00:44:01,811 --> 00:44:03,710 Look. 740 00:44:07,023 --> 00:44:09,370 He's sleeping. 741 00:44:09,405 --> 00:44:12,891 Only guilty bastards sleep. 742 00:44:12,926 --> 00:44:15,238 The innocent are always pacing. 743 00:44:22,832 --> 00:44:26,525 Gavin: Mr. Edwards. 744 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,355 It's time to get up. 745 00:44:32,808 --> 00:44:35,189 Now, in 1996, when you were working for Telstra, 746 00:44:35,224 --> 00:44:37,985 did you drive a Holden Commodore station wagon? 747 00:44:38,020 --> 00:44:39,331 Yeah. 748 00:44:39,366 --> 00:44:41,023 Yeah. And a cargo area in the back? 749 00:44:41,057 --> 00:44:42,369 Yeah, there was a caged area 750 00:44:42,403 --> 00:44:45,061 between the driver and the rear area, 751 00:44:45,096 --> 00:44:47,995 but I think every Telstra vehicle looked like that. 752 00:44:48,030 --> 00:44:51,378 And did you drive around the nightclubs in Claremont? 753 00:44:51,412 --> 00:44:55,209 Um, I mean, I'm aware of them, I've never been to them. 754 00:44:55,244 --> 00:44:59,558 I-I don't go out to Claremont. 755 00:44:59,593 --> 00:45:01,457 Okay. 756 00:45:01,491 --> 00:45:04,771 We'll just take a look at this map. 757 00:45:04,805 --> 00:45:06,945 Do you know Rowe Park? 758 00:45:06,980 --> 00:45:09,292 No.Are you positive? 759 00:45:09,327 --> 00:45:10,811 Yes. 760 00:45:10,846 --> 00:45:13,089 Karrakatta Cemetery?Yes. 761 00:45:13,124 --> 00:45:17,818 I was there for a memorial for a woman in 2008, I think. 762 00:45:17,853 --> 00:45:19,337 No time before? 763 00:45:19,371 --> 00:45:22,064 Not that I recall. 764 00:45:23,790 --> 00:45:24,894 Come in. 765 00:45:27,172 --> 00:45:28,553 Thank you. 766 00:46:04,485 --> 00:46:06,591 Are you aware of the women who were abducted from Claremont 767 00:46:06,625 --> 00:46:09,180 in '96 and '97? 768 00:46:11,941 --> 00:46:13,115 I'm aware of them. 769 00:46:13,149 --> 00:46:15,289 I think everybody was aware of them. 770 00:46:15,324 --> 00:46:18,914 But I'm 110% -- I am 120% 771 00:46:18,948 --> 00:46:21,813 certain that I'm not involved in any of this. 772 00:46:21,848 --> 00:46:24,160 I don't know how many ways that I can say no. 773 00:46:24,195 --> 00:46:26,024 Right. 774 00:46:26,059 --> 00:46:28,647 DNA results have come back, 775 00:46:28,682 --> 00:46:31,236 and they confirm that your DNA is a positive match 776 00:46:31,271 --> 00:46:34,170 for the kimono in Huntingdale in 1988...No, that's not possible. 777 00:46:34,205 --> 00:46:37,001 ...for the rape of a young woman in Karrakatta Cemetery... No. 778 00:46:37,035 --> 00:46:40,625 How can that be?...and for the murder of Ciara Glennon in 1997. 779 00:46:40,659 --> 00:46:42,938 No. 780 00:46:42,972 --> 00:46:43,973 Can you explain that? 781 00:46:44,008 --> 00:46:45,872 I-I can't. 782 00:46:45,906 --> 00:46:47,494 You can't explain that?No. 783 00:46:47,528 --> 00:46:50,083 Alright. You're an intelligent man. You're not dumb. 784 00:46:50,117 --> 00:46:52,292 Now, you know that your DNA is unique. 785 00:46:52,326 --> 00:46:53,569 You're the only person in the whole world 786 00:46:53,603 --> 00:46:55,053 with that DNA profile. 787 00:46:55,088 --> 00:46:57,400 I can -- I can't explain that. I mean... 788 00:46:57,435 --> 00:46:59,092 Just tell us what happened. 789 00:46:59,126 --> 00:47:01,266 I-I wish I could, but I can't because I wasn't there! 790 00:47:01,301 --> 00:47:03,613 I-I mean, you're...Hey, slow down. 791 00:47:03,648 --> 00:47:05,443 I see that you don't believe that I did it. 792 00:47:05,477 --> 00:47:07,203 Slow down.But you're the one saying that I did it. 793 00:47:07,238 --> 00:47:09,102 Listen, the question I asked you 794 00:47:09,136 --> 00:47:11,656 is, do you understand that your DNA profile's unique? 795 00:47:11,690 --> 00:47:13,244 I can't explain that! 796 00:47:13,278 --> 00:47:15,073 I don't understand what's happening! 797 00:47:15,108 --> 00:47:18,870 Well, we found your semen on the kimono in Huntingdale. 798 00:47:18,905 --> 00:47:22,632 We found your DNA on Lisa Todd in Karrakatta Cemetery. 799 00:47:22,667 --> 00:47:24,186 Can't explain that?No. 800 00:47:24,220 --> 00:47:26,878 And we found your DNA on Ciara Glennon, 801 00:47:26,913 --> 00:47:30,606 27 years of age, murdered March 14, 1997, okay? 802 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,159 Your DNA is on her. 803 00:47:32,194 --> 00:47:33,574 Impossible.Can't explain that one either? 804 00:47:33,609 --> 00:47:34,955 No.Alright. 805 00:47:34,990 --> 00:47:37,164 Are you an honest man?I'm -- Yes. 806 00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:39,995 'Cause we interviewed your stepdaughter. 807 00:47:40,029 --> 00:47:42,031 And she said that your most-prized virtue 808 00:47:42,066 --> 00:47:43,308 is your honesty. 809 00:47:43,343 --> 00:47:46,242 I ambeing honest. 810 00:47:46,277 --> 00:47:48,417 Are you a man who accepts responsibility for your actions? 811 00:47:48,451 --> 00:47:50,591 I accept responsibility for the stuff that I have done, 812 00:47:50,626 --> 00:47:53,077 not for the stuff that I haven't. 813 00:47:57,702 --> 00:48:01,706 Bradley Robert Edwards, you're now being charged 814 00:48:01,740 --> 00:48:03,708 with the assault on Kylee Cosgrove... 815 00:48:03,742 --> 00:48:05,572 No, you've got the wrong guy....in 1988... 816 00:48:05,606 --> 00:48:09,334 the rape of Lisa Todd in 1995, 817 00:48:09,369 --> 00:48:11,923 and the murders of Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon. 818 00:48:11,958 --> 00:48:14,684 I did not do it! You've got the wrong guy. 819 00:48:17,342 --> 00:48:19,413 I'm here to make an important announcement... 820 00:48:19,448 --> 00:48:20,759 ...to the West Australian community. 821 00:48:20,794 --> 00:48:22,416 Detectives from the Special Crime Squad 822 00:48:22,451 --> 00:48:25,385 have charged a 48-year-old Kewdale man 823 00:48:25,419 --> 00:48:28,146 with the murders of Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon, 824 00:48:28,181 --> 00:48:30,286 and attacks. on other young women.Gav? 825 00:48:30,321 --> 00:48:32,116 You watching this? This has already been 826 00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:34,773 the biggest and most complex police investigation 827 00:48:34,808 --> 00:48:36,085 in WA's history.Congratulations, Gav. 828 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:37,638 Hundreds of police officers... 829 00:48:37,673 --> 00:48:39,537 Now we have to convict him. 830 00:48:39,571 --> 00:48:41,056 ...over the past 20 years. 831 00:48:41,090 --> 00:48:43,403 You will. The commitment of the WA Police 832 00:48:43,437 --> 00:48:46,613 and its officers have never wavered. 833 00:48:46,647 --> 00:48:48,995 We never give up. 834 00:48:49,029 --> 00:48:50,686 He didn't confess and he's pleading not guilty 835 00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:52,515 to every charge. There's nothing 836 00:48:52,550 --> 00:48:54,276 in any of the houses that links him to the girls. 837 00:48:54,310 --> 00:48:56,657 Not one trophy, not one hair, nothing. 838 00:48:56,692 --> 00:48:58,521 Just tell him you got something from his car. 839 00:48:58,556 --> 00:49:02,353 Yeah, we found this. 840 00:49:02,387 --> 00:49:04,079 You see it? 841 00:49:04,113 --> 00:49:06,978 Yeah. But that doesn't link him to any of the girls. 842 00:49:07,013 --> 00:49:08,531 You got anything else? 843 00:49:08,566 --> 00:49:10,016 There was no blood or hair from them in the car. 844 00:49:10,050 --> 00:49:11,672 How can there be no blood? 845 00:49:11,707 --> 00:49:14,020 Well, he must have killed them where we found them. 846 00:49:14,054 --> 00:49:17,678 But the fibers on Jane and Ciara match, okay? 847 00:49:17,713 --> 00:49:21,165 These gray ones were found in the carpet on the car floor 848 00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:23,167 and back well of a Holden Commodore. 849 00:49:23,201 --> 00:49:26,549 And on the handle that adjusts the driver's seat, 850 00:49:26,584 --> 00:49:28,482 13 blue fibers we can't ID yet. 851 00:49:28,517 --> 00:49:31,071 But I had an idea about them. 852 00:49:34,557 --> 00:49:35,834 You see it? 853 00:49:35,869 --> 00:49:37,595 Yeah. The shorts. 854 00:49:37,629 --> 00:49:40,598 These could be the source of the blue fibers. 855 00:49:40,632 --> 00:49:44,498 We've just got to find someone who kept a pair since 1995. 856 00:49:44,533 --> 00:49:47,639 I swear, okay? I didn't have anything to do with it. 857 00:49:47,674 --> 00:49:49,641 It's just like with that other guy, 858 00:49:49,676 --> 00:49:51,816 that, um, public servant that they... 859 00:49:51,850 --> 00:49:53,231 Lance Williams. 860 00:49:53,266 --> 00:49:56,648 That's it. Yeah. That's what the cops do. 861 00:49:56,683 --> 00:49:59,237 They get tunnel vision, they zone in on a guy. 862 00:49:59,272 --> 00:50:01,136 But why'd they pick you, Dad?I don't know. 863 00:50:01,170 --> 00:50:05,174 They're saying that they've got my DNA from an attack in 1988. 864 00:50:05,209 --> 00:50:07,383 What's that, 30 years ago? 865 00:50:07,418 --> 00:50:09,454 They're just trying to stitch me up. You'll see. 866 00:50:09,489 --> 00:50:12,043 We'll keep supporting you, Brad. Don't worry. 867 00:50:12,078 --> 00:50:13,665 So will Mum and Dad. 868 00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:15,736 We all believe you. 869 00:50:20,741 --> 00:50:22,881 I-I don't understand how he isn't charged 870 00:50:22,916 --> 00:50:24,607 with Sarah's... 871 00:50:24,642 --> 00:50:26,333 with her... 872 00:50:26,368 --> 00:50:30,199 her murder. 873 00:50:30,234 --> 00:50:31,476 There's still nothing concrete 874 00:50:31,511 --> 00:50:34,824 that links him with Sarah -- yet. 875 00:50:34,859 --> 00:50:36,619 You need a body. 876 00:50:36,654 --> 00:50:39,277 No. 877 00:50:39,312 --> 00:50:42,763 Not necessarily. 878 00:50:42,798 --> 00:50:45,490 But we could use more evidence. 879 00:50:45,525 --> 00:50:47,561 Do you have any kids? 880 00:50:51,255 --> 00:50:53,119 No. 881 00:50:54,499 --> 00:50:56,674 In the country... 882 00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:01,299 you can sometimes fear the big city. 883 00:51:03,508 --> 00:51:05,614 But our girls didn't. 884 00:51:05,648 --> 00:51:09,273 They were just so... 885 00:51:09,307 --> 00:51:13,208 alive. 886 00:51:13,242 --> 00:51:16,383 But we worried for them, and... 887 00:51:16,418 --> 00:51:18,558 we bought them a flat in a nice part of town 888 00:51:18,592 --> 00:51:20,870 and a good car 889 00:51:20,905 --> 00:51:24,943 and tried to keep them safe. 890 00:51:24,978 --> 00:51:26,497 Still, just... 891 00:51:27,636 --> 00:51:31,812 life just... 892 00:51:31,847 --> 00:51:35,678 blows up. 893 00:51:35,713 --> 00:51:38,543 It's just your worst fear. 894 00:51:49,658 --> 00:51:53,351 Don't let 'em forget about her. 895 00:51:53,386 --> 00:51:55,250 Charge the bastard for those other girls 896 00:51:55,284 --> 00:51:58,667 and forget about Sarah. 897 00:51:58,701 --> 00:52:01,601 I'll make sure they don't. 898 00:52:01,635 --> 00:52:03,189 Yeah. 899 00:52:15,580 --> 00:52:18,411 Hey. 900 00:52:18,445 --> 00:52:19,481 Which way you headed? 901 00:52:19,515 --> 00:52:20,896 Mosman Park. 902 00:52:20,930 --> 00:52:23,278 Oh, that's okay. I'm headed that way anyway. 903 00:52:23,312 --> 00:52:25,418 Cool. 904 00:52:32,735 --> 00:52:34,323 Gav? What time is it? 905 00:52:34,358 --> 00:52:37,499 Gavin: I think she must have seen his car. 906 00:52:37,533 --> 00:52:38,948 It looked like a cab. She'd just called one. 907 00:52:38,983 --> 00:52:41,019 So she got in, and only after he started out, 908 00:52:41,054 --> 00:52:44,575 did she realize that...it wasn't a cab. 909 00:52:44,609 --> 00:52:46,611 Yeah, she would have panicked then. 910 00:52:46,646 --> 00:52:50,028 No, but Edwards, he must have sweet-talked her. 911 00:52:50,063 --> 00:52:51,444 No one heard anything in Claremont, 912 00:52:51,478 --> 00:52:53,963 so somehow he got her to stay quiet. 913 00:52:53,998 --> 00:52:57,933 That's what we always thought, but how are you gonna prove 914 00:52:57,967 --> 00:52:59,590 Sarah got in his car? 915 00:52:59,624 --> 00:53:00,625 She might have--I'll prove it. 916 00:53:00,660 --> 00:53:03,973 I'll prove it. 917 00:53:04,008 --> 00:53:06,493 We don't know what really happened that night. 918 00:53:06,528 --> 00:53:08,599 No one does. 919 00:53:08,633 --> 00:53:11,257 Defense will say Sarah ran off with a guy 920 00:53:11,291 --> 00:53:13,397 or went for a midnight swim and drowned or any... 921 00:53:13,431 --> 00:53:15,640 I don't really care what defense has to say. 922 00:53:15,675 --> 00:53:17,504 She got in his car. 923 00:53:17,539 --> 00:53:19,368 But you have to be able to prove it. 924 00:53:19,403 --> 00:53:20,956 Just take a step back, Gav, and... 925 00:53:20,990 --> 00:53:24,649 I'm not stepping back. We have to get him. 926 00:53:24,684 --> 00:53:27,238 For Sarah. For their family. 927 00:53:27,273 --> 00:53:29,620 We have to get him. I have to get him. 928 00:53:34,694 --> 00:53:37,524 I've gotta get him. 929 00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:40,872 A Telstra tech named Jeff Cohen kept these since 1995. 930 00:53:40,907 --> 00:53:42,771 Never even worn them. 931 00:53:42,805 --> 00:53:45,291 ChemCentre tested them and the fibers from the dye lot 932 00:53:45,325 --> 00:53:46,775 are an exact match to the fibers 933 00:53:46,809 --> 00:53:48,708 found on Jane, Lisa, and Ciara. 934 00:53:48,742 --> 00:53:50,330 This blue is unique to Telstra? 935 00:53:50,365 --> 00:53:52,332 The dye was developed exclusively for them. 936 00:53:52,367 --> 00:53:55,024 A different blue from police uniforms or any other tradies. 937 00:53:55,059 --> 00:53:58,062 This puts a Telstra worker at the scene of all three crimes. 938 00:53:58,096 --> 00:53:59,477 Edwards. 939 00:53:59,512 --> 00:54:00,892 Car fibers, these, they're good, 940 00:54:00,927 --> 00:54:02,446 but they're circumstantial. 941 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,896 This could be from any Telstra worker. 942 00:54:04,931 --> 00:54:06,795 Only the DNA on Ciara's nail puts Edwards there. 943 00:54:06,829 --> 00:54:09,315 That's enough, right? 944 00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:12,283 The lawyer that Edwards hired, Paul Yovich, he's smart. 945 00:54:12,318 --> 00:54:15,113 He knows he'll have to create doubt about the DNA. 946 00:54:15,148 --> 00:54:16,839 If I were Yovich, I'd suggest 947 00:54:16,874 --> 00:54:19,048 there might have been cross-contamination at the lab. 948 00:54:19,083 --> 00:54:20,843 Can he prove that? 949 00:54:20,878 --> 00:54:23,398 I'm afraid PathWest has a history of cross-contamination. 950 00:54:23,432 --> 00:54:26,884 But don't worry. I still think that we can convict him 951 00:54:26,918 --> 00:54:28,610 for Jane and Ciara's murder. 952 00:54:28,644 --> 00:54:31,337 What about Sarah? You've gotta get Sarah on the brief. 953 00:54:31,371 --> 00:54:32,993 You can't let him walk on her. 954 00:54:33,028 --> 00:54:35,410 Once we prove Edwards' guilt on Jane and Ciara 955 00:54:35,444 --> 00:54:39,034 with the same MO, the same propensity of evidence, 956 00:54:39,068 --> 00:54:41,864 we should be able to connect him to Sarah. 957 00:54:41,899 --> 00:54:44,073 So you're gonna add Sarah to the charge brief? 958 00:54:44,108 --> 00:54:49,044 Yes. The Spiers deserve that. But prepare yourself. 959 00:54:49,078 --> 00:54:52,012 Justice Hall could still dismiss her charge for lack of evidence. 960 00:54:52,047 --> 00:54:54,014 Don't let him.Then I suggest, Detective, 961 00:54:54,049 --> 00:54:55,775 that you get me some more evidence 962 00:54:55,809 --> 00:54:58,674 connecting Edwards to Sarah Spiers. 963 00:55:07,614 --> 00:55:09,513 Doesn't matter how many times you look at it, 964 00:55:09,547 --> 00:55:11,618 you still can't tell it's Edwards. 965 00:55:13,586 --> 00:55:17,037 It could be him. 966 00:55:17,072 --> 00:55:19,108 If he'd just turn around. 967 00:55:25,874 --> 00:55:28,842 Have you seen this? 968 00:55:28,877 --> 00:55:30,982 I didn't even know he was sick. 969 00:55:31,017 --> 00:55:33,675 Cancer. 970 00:55:33,709 --> 00:55:35,884 I got in his car. 971 00:55:38,714 --> 00:55:41,614 Remember? 972 00:55:41,648 --> 00:55:43,719 I said it was him. 973 00:55:46,515 --> 00:55:50,070 I was so sure. 974 00:55:50,105 --> 00:55:52,038 So was I. 975 00:55:55,041 --> 00:55:56,767 You know, if Lance had picked up Jane 976 00:55:56,801 --> 00:55:59,977 or any of those girls... 977 00:56:01,565 --> 00:56:04,015 ...they'd still be alive. 978 00:56:07,260 --> 00:56:10,125 But now you've got the right guy. 979 00:56:10,159 --> 00:56:11,851 You have his DNA. 980 00:56:11,885 --> 00:56:15,510 No way is he getting out of this. 981 00:56:15,544 --> 00:56:17,443 That's the thing. I didn't have anything to do with the murders, 982 00:56:17,477 --> 00:56:20,066 I swear. And I've been thinking. 983 00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:23,000 I want to give evidence. I want to... 984 00:56:23,034 --> 00:56:24,933 I want to say that at trial.If you do that, 985 00:56:24,967 --> 00:56:26,866 you could be on the stand for six months in cross. 986 00:56:26,900 --> 00:56:29,558 And they can ask you anything. You have to answer, in detail 987 00:56:29,593 --> 00:56:30,663 and under oath. 988 00:56:30,697 --> 00:56:32,768 I can do that. 989 00:56:32,803 --> 00:56:34,183 Look, it is your decision in the end. 990 00:56:34,218 --> 00:56:36,082 Could you stop doing that? Listen to me. 991 00:56:36,116 --> 00:56:37,911 Putting you on the stand, in my opinion, 992 00:56:37,946 --> 00:56:41,259 that would be a mistake. They'll push you hard, Bradley. 993 00:56:41,294 --> 00:56:42,640 Okay. 994 00:56:42,675 --> 00:56:46,920 But all this time being locked up, 995 00:56:46,955 --> 00:56:49,060 I've been searching my conscience 996 00:56:49,095 --> 00:56:52,132 and I want to plead guilty 997 00:56:52,167 --> 00:56:57,137 to the assaults at Huntingdale and Karrakatta. 998 00:56:57,172 --> 00:56:59,692 Guilty? Yep. Yep. 999 00:56:59,726 --> 00:57:02,660 I was a different person back then. 1000 00:57:02,695 --> 00:57:06,008 I snapped. It wasn't really me. 1001 00:57:09,218 --> 00:57:12,670 Plus, they've got that DNA at both the crime scenes, right? 1002 00:57:12,705 --> 00:57:15,224 That'll hold up in court?Mm. 1003 00:57:15,259 --> 00:57:17,503 Those samples have been locked away for 20 years. 1004 00:57:17,537 --> 00:57:18,745 They'll be convincing. 1005 00:57:18,780 --> 00:57:20,091 Right. So that's what I'm thinking. 1006 00:57:20,126 --> 00:57:22,231 Bradley, I can't be a party to any lies. 1007 00:57:22,266 --> 00:57:25,096 I'm not lying. 1008 00:57:25,131 --> 00:57:29,894 I did the assaults, but I didn't do the murders. 1009 00:57:29,929 --> 00:57:32,172 I couldn't do that. I'm not guilty of murder. 1010 00:57:32,207 --> 00:57:33,657 It's just, the cops are pinning it on me 1011 00:57:33,691 --> 00:57:35,244 because they want to blame somebody. 1012 00:57:35,279 --> 00:57:37,005 So if you plead guilty to the assaults, 1013 00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:39,179 you plead early, you save the court time and money. 1014 00:57:39,214 --> 00:57:41,078 You could get a reduced sentence. 1015 00:57:41,112 --> 00:57:43,011 And, of course, with time in custody, 1016 00:57:43,045 --> 00:57:44,909 probably looking at three or four years. 1017 00:57:44,944 --> 00:57:46,532 That's it? 1018 00:57:46,566 --> 00:57:48,844 And if I can prove the cross-contamination of DNA 1019 00:57:48,879 --> 00:57:51,226 taken from Ciara Glennon, 1020 00:57:51,260 --> 00:57:53,090 you could be out before you're 55. 1021 00:57:57,266 --> 00:58:00,028 So -- So... 1022 00:58:00,062 --> 00:58:01,961 what about before, 1023 00:58:01,995 --> 00:58:03,272 pleading not guilty to the assaults? 1024 00:58:03,307 --> 00:58:04,895 Can that work against me? 1025 00:58:04,929 --> 00:58:06,724 No, there's no law against lying to the police. 1026 00:58:06,759 --> 00:58:09,037 Justice Hall can't let lying about an earlier crime influence 1027 00:58:09,071 --> 00:58:10,866 his decision about the murders. 1028 00:58:10,901 --> 00:58:16,700 Right. So pleading guilty to the assaults is my best way forward? 1029 00:58:16,734 --> 00:58:19,530 If it's the truth.That's the truth. 1030 00:58:19,565 --> 00:58:21,325 In a shock announcement today, Bradley Edwards, 1031 00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:23,534 the accused Claremont serial killer, 1032 00:58:23,569 --> 00:58:26,088 is now pleading guilty to rape and assault charges 1033 00:58:26,123 --> 00:58:28,677 from 1988 and 1995. 1034 00:58:28,712 --> 00:58:30,368 Since his arrest, 1035 00:58:30,403 --> 00:58:33,717 Mr. Edwards has steadfastly insisted his innocence. 1036 00:58:33,751 --> 00:58:35,132 And though he is now pleading guilty 1037 00:58:35,166 --> 00:58:36,927 to the rape and assault charges, 1038 00:58:36,961 --> 00:58:39,170 he still maintains that he never killed anyone, 1039 00:58:39,205 --> 00:58:42,208 and will fight those charges to the utmost of his abilities. 1040 00:58:42,242 --> 00:58:44,175 - Four years? - With time in custody, 1041 00:58:44,210 --> 00:58:46,281 that's the minimum he could get for the assault and rape. 1042 00:58:46,315 --> 00:58:48,076 For everything he did -- four years? 1043 00:58:48,110 --> 00:58:51,044 That won't happen. Conviction on the murder charges 1044 00:58:51,079 --> 00:58:53,150 will get him life with no chance of parole. 1045 00:58:53,184 --> 00:58:54,703 If the DNA doesn't get thrown out 1046 00:58:54,738 --> 00:58:56,671 on some bullshit contamination argument. 1047 00:58:56,705 --> 00:58:58,362 Gav, we'll get him.We haven't got him for 20 years, Nik. 1048 00:58:58,396 --> 00:58:59,915 This guy's had the devil's luck 1049 00:58:59,950 --> 00:59:01,814 and I'm not certain it's run out yet. 1050 00:59:05,334 --> 00:59:07,164 Reporter: People lined up outside the court 1051 00:59:07,198 --> 00:59:08,752 before sunrise, hoping for a front-row seat. 1052 00:59:08,786 --> 00:59:10,339 Reporter #2: ...chilling day of evidence 1053 00:59:10,374 --> 00:59:12,825 from the opening of the Claremont serial killings. 1054 00:59:12,859 --> 00:59:14,792 Reporter #3:...with a high level of public interest. 1055 00:59:14,827 --> 00:59:16,691 Reporter #4: Edwards is charged with the murders 1056 00:59:16,725 --> 00:59:18,106 of Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer... 1057 00:59:18,140 --> 00:59:19,694 Reporter #5: ...trial by judge alone. 1058 00:59:19,728 --> 00:59:21,247 Reporter #6: The three women disappeared... 1059 00:59:21,281 --> 00:59:23,629 If Trevor was alive, he'd be here. 1060 00:59:23,663 --> 00:59:25,596 He loved Janey so much. 1061 00:59:25,631 --> 00:59:27,667 We pray for Ciara all the time. 1062 00:59:27,702 --> 00:59:30,877 When Una and I see a girl around her...her age, 1063 00:59:30,912 --> 00:59:32,776 we think of her still. 1064 00:59:32,810 --> 00:59:36,883 Sarah had something different about her to most other kids. 1065 00:59:36,918 --> 00:59:41,716 She had this lovely warmth about her, didn't she? 1066 00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:42,786 Yeah. 1067 00:59:42,820 --> 00:59:44,339 Alison: The trial of the century 1068 00:59:44,373 --> 00:59:47,100 in Western Australia gets under way today. 1069 00:59:47,135 --> 00:59:48,792 The amount of evidence that's been gathered 1070 00:59:48,826 --> 00:59:51,070 for this case has been staggering. 1071 00:59:51,104 --> 00:59:54,625 Over 16,000 DNA samples have been taken. 1072 00:59:54,660 --> 00:59:57,145 200 witnesses are expected to be called, 1073 00:59:57,179 --> 01:00:00,424 with 10,000 pages of interview transcripts, 1074 01:00:00,458 --> 01:00:04,670 110 gigabytes of prosecution disclosures, 1075 01:00:04,704 --> 01:00:06,982 a million pages of evidence. 1076 01:00:07,017 --> 01:00:09,053 The DNA and fiber evidence alone 1077 01:00:09,088 --> 01:00:12,160 is said to be over 60,000 pages long. 1078 01:00:30,419 --> 01:00:33,906 In a 14-month period, three bright, 1079 01:00:33,940 --> 01:00:38,807 beautiful young women vanished from the streets of Claremont. 1080 01:00:38,842 --> 01:00:42,224 There were so many questions for which the lack of answers 1081 01:00:42,259 --> 01:00:46,366 cemented a fear that ran through the community, 1082 01:00:46,401 --> 01:00:51,061 a fear that was caused by an enigma of the dark. 1083 01:00:52,925 --> 01:00:57,792 In the coming months, the state will demystify this enigma 1084 01:00:57,826 --> 01:01:00,933 and prove that there was one killer. 1085 01:01:00,967 --> 01:01:05,316 And that killer is Bradley Robert Edwards. 1086 01:01:06,421 --> 01:01:10,183 The deaths of these young women were unlawful killings. 1087 01:01:10,218 --> 01:01:12,772 There is no doubt or dispute about that. 1088 01:01:12,807 --> 01:01:15,533 The issue is the identity of the killer, 1089 01:01:15,568 --> 01:01:20,021 and Bradley Edwards' defense in each case is that. 1090 01:01:20,055 --> 01:01:21,401 It wasn't him. 1091 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,347 Woman: We were happy in the marriage at first. 1092 01:01:36,382 --> 01:01:40,248 Um, but then he became obsessed with his computer. 1093 01:01:40,282 --> 01:01:43,734 So, yeah, he would come home from work and disappear 1094 01:01:43,769 --> 01:01:47,738 into the spare room. He wasn't interested in me 1095 01:01:47,773 --> 01:01:50,914 and he wasn't present in the marriage, 1096 01:01:50,948 --> 01:01:52,916 and stuff happened. 1097 01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:55,435 Oh! 1098 01:01:55,470 --> 01:01:59,888 We were laughing and then she kissed me. 1099 01:01:59,923 --> 01:02:03,927 Or I kissed her. I-I can't remember. 1100 01:02:03,961 --> 01:02:08,379 He didn't say anything. He just...walked away. 1101 01:02:12,004 --> 01:02:15,904 You are one of what has become known as the "Living Witnesses." 1102 01:02:15,939 --> 01:02:17,319 Yeah. 1103 01:02:17,354 --> 01:02:20,840 And what happened to you in November of 1996? 1104 01:02:20,875 --> 01:02:25,534 I'd been at Club Bayview. I'd had a bit to drink. 1105 01:02:25,569 --> 01:02:27,847 Um, and there were no cabs, 1106 01:02:27,882 --> 01:02:30,781 but I was trying to get to Shenton Park. 1107 01:02:30,816 --> 01:02:32,921 I didn't care how, you know? 1108 01:02:32,956 --> 01:02:34,198 It was a different time back then. 1109 01:02:34,233 --> 01:02:36,373 We didn't worry about things like that. 1110 01:02:36,407 --> 01:02:39,100 But then I saw a car, and it looked like a taxi, 1111 01:02:39,134 --> 01:02:41,171 and the driver stopped. 1112 01:02:41,205 --> 01:02:44,001 What kind of car was it? 1113 01:02:44,036 --> 01:02:46,348 It looked like a Holden station wagon. 1114 01:02:46,383 --> 01:02:49,006 Can you give me a lift to Shenton Park? 1115 01:02:49,041 --> 01:02:49,593 Bradley: Sure. 1116 01:02:53,631 --> 01:02:55,875 Oh, hey, this isn't a taxi. 1117 01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:58,291 Oh, that's alright. I'll take you there anyway. 1118 01:02:58,326 --> 01:03:02,986 I didn't feel unsafe, but something made me say 1119 01:03:03,020 --> 01:03:04,470 that I'd left my shoes up on the road... 1120 01:03:04,504 --> 01:03:06,506 and would it be okay if I went to grab them? 1121 01:03:09,164 --> 01:03:11,857 So I grabbed my shoes 1122 01:03:11,891 --> 01:03:15,446 and two guys that I'd been drinking with... 1123 01:03:15,481 --> 01:03:17,172 Is it okay if you take these guys, too? 1124 01:03:17,207 --> 01:03:19,312 We're all going to the same place. 1125 01:03:19,347 --> 01:03:21,176 He didn't say anything. 1126 01:03:21,211 --> 01:03:24,904 He just drove us to Shenton Park. 1127 01:03:24,939 --> 01:03:29,012 Did you notice anything about the car? 1128 01:03:29,046 --> 01:03:33,257 It was a Telecom Telstra car. 1129 01:03:39,608 --> 01:03:42,646 When the sample labeled AJM40, 1130 01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,442 the sample taken from Ciara Glennon's nail, 1131 01:03:45,476 --> 01:03:49,135 was finally tested, did you recover male DNA from it? 1132 01:03:49,170 --> 01:03:51,448 Yes, we did.What was the result? 1133 01:03:51,482 --> 01:03:55,245 The DNA matched the profile of the defendant, Bradley Edwards. 1134 01:03:57,523 --> 01:04:01,596 To clarify, when sample AJM40 was originally taken, 1135 01:04:01,630 --> 01:04:04,150 how was it labeled? 1136 01:04:04,185 --> 01:04:07,050 What was written on the label of the container in 1997? 1137 01:04:07,084 --> 01:04:11,261 Uh, "Debris only. Not suitable for analysis." 1138 01:04:11,295 --> 01:04:12,987 Not suitable for analysis. 1139 01:04:13,021 --> 01:04:15,058 And yet more than 10 years later, 1140 01:04:15,092 --> 01:04:17,543 somehow miraculously it's suitable for testing. 1141 01:04:17,577 --> 01:04:19,062 Not miraculously. 1142 01:04:19,096 --> 01:04:21,029 The advancements in DNA technology in the past... 1143 01:04:21,064 --> 01:04:24,101 But at the time, when it was first handled, 1144 01:04:24,136 --> 01:04:26,000 it was labeled "Debris only." 1145 01:04:30,038 --> 01:04:31,384 Have you considered the possibility 1146 01:04:31,419 --> 01:04:33,593 of cross-contamination in your lab, 1147 01:04:33,628 --> 01:04:36,217 where a bit of DNA gets somewhere that it shouldn't? 1148 01:04:36,251 --> 01:04:38,046 Perhaps the right protocols aren't being used 1149 01:04:38,081 --> 01:04:39,530 and perhaps the same pair of gloves 1150 01:04:39,565 --> 01:04:41,463 are being worn for two experiments. 1151 01:04:41,498 --> 01:04:43,155 Of course we consider it, 1152 01:04:43,189 --> 01:04:46,434 and we take all necessary precautions to make sure 1153 01:04:46,468 --> 01:04:48,608 contamination doesn't happen, but in this case... 1154 01:04:48,643 --> 01:04:51,715 Doesn't PathWest have a poor record of cross-contamination? 1155 01:04:51,749 --> 01:04:53,959 I would say, of the hundreds and thousands of tests, 1156 01:04:53,993 --> 01:04:55,477 we have a very good record of... 1157 01:04:55,512 --> 01:04:58,101 When intimate swabs collected from Jane Rimmer 1158 01:04:58,135 --> 01:05:03,002 were analyzed in 2017 by UK laboratory Cellmark, 1159 01:05:03,037 --> 01:05:05,625 did they show the DNA profile matching that of a male -- 1160 01:05:05,660 --> 01:05:08,421 not you, sir -- PathWest scientist? 1161 01:05:08,456 --> 01:05:10,389 Yes, they did.When intimate swabs 1162 01:05:10,423 --> 01:05:14,255 collected from Ciara Glennon were analyzed in 2017, 1163 01:05:14,289 --> 01:05:17,534 did they yield the profile of yet another -- not you, sir -- 1164 01:05:17,568 --> 01:05:19,363 PathWest scientist? 1165 01:05:21,814 --> 01:05:23,574 Yes. 1166 01:05:23,609 --> 01:05:26,370 And we've all seen videos collected from the crime scene. 1167 01:05:26,405 --> 01:05:28,786 Police officers not wearing gloves. 1168 01:05:28,821 --> 01:05:32,376 No shoe protection. No forensic overalls. 1169 01:05:32,411 --> 01:05:34,206 It was a different time. 1170 01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,416 Indeed it was. 1171 01:05:37,450 --> 01:05:39,383 When Mr. Edwards was employed at Telstra, 1172 01:05:39,418 --> 01:05:41,730 was he ever called to PathWest to repair the phones? 1173 01:05:46,839 --> 01:05:50,981 Not -- Not to my knowledge, no. 1174 01:05:51,016 --> 01:05:54,812 Not to your knowledge. 1175 01:05:54,847 --> 01:05:56,297 There were bombshells in court today, 1176 01:05:56,331 --> 01:05:57,574 where cross-contamination claims 1177 01:05:57,608 --> 01:05:59,610 had the prosecution on their heels. 1178 01:05:59,645 --> 01:06:02,061 The verdict in this case seems to be in the balance. 1179 01:06:02,096 --> 01:06:04,684 Hey, what's all this rubbish you're broadcasting about? 1180 01:06:04,719 --> 01:06:07,411 Do you really believe there's cross-contamination of his DNA? 1181 01:06:07,446 --> 01:06:08,516 I'm just reporting what was said. 1182 01:06:08,550 --> 01:06:10,449 He murdered three women. 1183 01:06:10,483 --> 01:06:11,829 Are you trying to help get him off? 1184 01:06:11,864 --> 01:06:13,659 I'm just reporting what was said in court. 1185 01:06:13,693 --> 01:06:18,250 Listen, people don't want to speak to you anymore, okay? 1186 01:06:18,284 --> 01:06:19,320 They're fuckin' pissed off. 1187 01:06:19,354 --> 01:06:21,287 You heard the evidence. 1188 01:06:21,322 --> 01:06:23,565 Edwards might be acquitted. 1189 01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,740 Everyone needs to be prepared for that. 1190 01:06:30,158 --> 01:06:33,023 Judge: Mr. Yovich, the State has closed. 1191 01:06:33,058 --> 01:06:35,750 Is the defense ready to proceed? 1192 01:06:35,784 --> 01:06:37,752 Your Honor, the defense is closed. 1193 01:06:37,786 --> 01:06:40,099 What? You're not going to be calling any witnesses? 1194 01:06:40,134 --> 01:06:41,618 No, Your Honor, 1195 01:06:41,652 --> 01:06:44,793 we will address the case in our closing statement. 1196 01:06:44,828 --> 01:06:47,072 Mr. Edwards, can you please stand? 1197 01:06:51,490 --> 01:06:53,871 The decision to give evidence is entirely yours, 1198 01:06:53,906 --> 01:06:55,735 but given the importance of this case, 1199 01:06:55,770 --> 01:06:59,463 do you wish to make any statement in your own defense? 1200 01:06:59,498 --> 01:07:01,224 No, Your Honor. 1201 01:07:06,815 --> 01:07:08,610 Nearly seven months ago, the State 1202 01:07:08,645 --> 01:07:12,131 made reference to an enigma of the dark 1203 01:07:12,166 --> 01:07:15,238 and promised to shed light on that enigma. 1204 01:07:15,272 --> 01:07:18,310 It's the forensic evidence that has cast light 1205 01:07:18,344 --> 01:07:20,208 and unmasked a killer. 1206 01:07:20,243 --> 01:07:24,281 The fibers, the DNA. 1207 01:07:24,316 --> 01:07:30,080 One offender is responsible for the murders of Sarah Spiers, 1208 01:07:30,115 --> 01:07:33,325 Jane Rimmer, and Ciara Glennon. 1209 01:07:33,359 --> 01:07:39,572 Bradley Robert Edwards, we say, is the Claremont killer. 1210 01:07:39,607 --> 01:07:44,508 One-fifth of one-billionth of one gram. 1211 01:07:44,543 --> 01:07:48,788 That's how much DNA was found on Ciara Glennon's nail. 1212 01:07:48,823 --> 01:07:50,652 Your Honor, are you able to be satisfied, 1213 01:07:50,687 --> 01:07:52,516 beyond reasonable doubt, 1214 01:07:52,551 --> 01:07:54,898 the DNA finding is only explicable on the basis 1215 01:07:54,932 --> 01:07:58,350 that the accused killed Ciara Glennon? 1216 01:07:58,384 --> 01:08:01,456 Contamination events are rare, but they do happen, 1217 01:08:01,491 --> 01:08:04,390 and they only have to happen once. 1218 01:08:04,425 --> 01:08:06,289 The carpet fibers, the pant fibers, 1219 01:08:06,323 --> 01:08:09,119 they could come from any Telstra employee. 1220 01:08:09,154 --> 01:08:11,156 The only actual evidence that my client 1221 01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:12,674 might be the Claremont killer 1222 01:08:12,709 --> 01:08:16,506 is the DNA that was found on Ciara Glennon's nail. 1223 01:08:16,540 --> 01:08:19,750 Are you willing, Your Honor, to put a man in jail 1224 01:08:19,785 --> 01:08:23,892 for the rest of his life on that evidence? 1225 01:08:23,927 --> 01:08:28,138 One-fifth of one-billionth of one gram. 1226 01:09:34,446 --> 01:09:35,826 Wyatt. 1227 01:09:35,861 --> 01:09:39,002 Carmel: Hello, Gavin. The verdict's in. 1228 01:09:39,036 --> 01:09:40,314 Do you know what it says? 1229 01:09:40,348 --> 01:09:43,213 No. Just get to the court. 1230 01:09:44,766 --> 01:09:47,597 Reporter: After a 20-year police investigation 1231 01:09:47,631 --> 01:09:50,462 and subsequent seven-month Supreme Court trial, 1232 01:09:50,496 --> 01:09:51,980 we'll finally get a verdict... 1233 01:09:52,015 --> 01:09:54,224 Reporter #2: The Claremont serial killings trial... 1234 01:09:54,259 --> 01:09:56,640 Onlookers came here earlier today, 1235 01:09:56,675 --> 01:09:58,021 queuing up on the steps... 1236 01:09:59,298 --> 01:10:03,509 This is a trial like no other. 1237 01:10:03,544 --> 01:10:05,408 It's a trial like no other because of its size 1238 01:10:05,442 --> 01:10:07,272 and high degree of interest. 1239 01:10:09,515 --> 01:10:13,588 Three women went missing from a popular nightlife area 1240 01:10:13,623 --> 01:10:15,452 frequented by many young people. 1241 01:10:15,487 --> 01:10:20,492 It inspired a pervasive fear in the entire Perth community. 1242 01:10:20,526 --> 01:10:22,770 But it's a trial like every other, 1243 01:10:22,804 --> 01:10:26,429 because the accused is presumed innocent 1244 01:10:26,463 --> 01:10:30,260 and the State must prove its case beyond reasonable doubt. 1245 01:10:30,295 --> 01:10:32,607 I am satisfied that the evidence 1246 01:10:32,642 --> 01:10:37,336 establishes that each of the victims was abducted and killed. 1247 01:10:37,371 --> 01:10:40,028 The issue, therefore, is the identity of the killer, 1248 01:10:40,063 --> 01:10:41,478 or killers. 1249 01:10:41,513 --> 01:10:43,687 Having regard to the DNA evidence 1250 01:10:43,722 --> 01:10:46,483 and the propensity evidence, 1251 01:10:46,518 --> 01:10:48,968 I am satisfied beyond reasonable doubt 1252 01:10:49,003 --> 01:10:51,039 that Bradley Edwards was the killer 1253 01:10:51,074 --> 01:10:55,561 of Ms. Rimmer and Ms. Glennon. 1254 01:10:55,596 --> 01:10:58,978 Mr. Edwards chose semi-rural locations 1255 01:10:59,013 --> 01:11:01,049 and hid the bodies with the intention of minimizing 1256 01:11:01,084 --> 01:11:03,845 the chances of them being found 1257 01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:05,675 and his offenses being discovered. 1258 01:11:09,023 --> 01:11:10,542 In respect of Ms. Spiers, 1259 01:11:10,576 --> 01:11:14,615 I have reached the following conclusions. 1260 01:11:14,649 --> 01:11:16,410 There are some similarities 1261 01:11:16,444 --> 01:11:19,827 between the circumstances of Ms. Spiers' disappearance 1262 01:11:19,861 --> 01:11:22,761 and the death of Ms. Rimmer and Ms. Glennon. 1263 01:11:22,795 --> 01:11:26,661 But they do not allow for a conclusion to be reached 1264 01:11:26,696 --> 01:11:28,353 that the person responsible 1265 01:11:28,387 --> 01:11:30,976 for the killing of Ms. Glennon and Ms. Rimmer 1266 01:11:31,010 --> 01:11:36,015 must necessarily be the same person as who killed Ms. Spiers. 1267 01:11:36,050 --> 01:11:37,741 The propensity of evidence suggests 1268 01:11:37,776 --> 01:11:42,608 it is likely that the accused was the killer. 1269 01:11:42,643 --> 01:11:47,164 But it cannot be proved beyond reasonable doubt. 1270 01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:49,960 So, based on those findings, 1271 01:11:49,995 --> 01:11:51,721 the verdict must be... 1272 01:11:51,755 --> 01:11:53,654 on count six, 1273 01:11:53,688 --> 01:11:56,691 the willful murder of Sarah Spiers -- 1274 01:11:56,726 --> 01:11:57,899 not guilty. 1275 01:13:19,981 --> 01:13:22,467 Denis: We pray for Ciara all the time. 1276 01:13:22,501 --> 01:13:26,091 Whenever Una and I see a young woman of Ciara's age, 1277 01:13:26,125 --> 01:13:28,265 well, we think of her still. 1278 01:13:28,300 --> 01:13:32,200 I always said that Ciara... 1279 01:13:32,235 --> 01:13:33,892 Ciara would fight for her life. 1280 01:13:33,926 --> 01:13:37,689 Little did I know how -- well, how... 1281 01:13:37,723 --> 01:13:39,967 prophetic those words would be. 1282 01:14:09,237 --> 01:14:12,793 It's hard to understand. 1283 01:14:12,827 --> 01:14:16,210 We interviewed 16,000 men 1284 01:14:16,244 --> 01:14:18,488 and his name never came up. 1285 01:14:20,904 --> 01:14:23,251 He was never on our radar. 1286 01:14:25,150 --> 01:14:28,774 And it's hard not to wonder 1287 01:14:28,809 --> 01:14:31,743 what Sarah's life...and ours would be like 1288 01:14:31,777 --> 01:14:34,297 if she hadn't been taken from us. 1289 01:14:35,781 --> 01:14:39,682 She would have had kids. 1290 01:14:39,716 --> 01:14:43,202 You say something, love? 1291 01:14:43,237 --> 01:14:45,204 Sarah loved kids. 1292 01:14:57,803 --> 01:15:01,048 This isn't over. 1293 01:15:01,082 --> 01:15:03,222 We'll keep looking for her. 1294 01:15:07,054 --> 01:15:10,713 Thanks for everything you've done for us, Detective. 1295 01:15:10,747 --> 01:15:12,784 You treated us right. 98144

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