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Almost all
of the things that happened
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to one of us happened to all of us.
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- When I was young, my idea
of making it was you know,
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to find a husband, get
married and have kids
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and have a house.
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- It's a little bit a
combination of, talent, charisma,
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knowing how to put up a show.
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Knowing how to handle your
instrument and being unique.
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- Music is energy.
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Whatever you give comes
back to you, in life,
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but also in music and on stage.
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It's true.
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- I've had to work for many
years just to not be seen
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as something that should be naked by now.
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- I have sold my heart to
metal a very long time ago,
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and I will, I will defend it forever.
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- I think it's as hard for
a man as it is for a woman
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to survive in this business.
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- Is this a metal show or what, you know?
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- I never cared about
the opinions of others,
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as soon as I climb on a
stage I'm someone else.
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When I was a kid I
didn't think about music.
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I wanted to become a biologist.
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I didn't know exactly what
it was, but I loved nature
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and I loved animals.
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I learned all the
solentific names for animals
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and rescued animals and
cleaned out the environment
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from trash, and I was a kid like that,
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and singing and performing
was far, far away from me,
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'cause I was super shy, the teased kid.
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Just the thought of, you
know, being in the spotlight
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was back in the days really
something I didn't want.
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It's very common here in the Netherlands
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that the children learn
to play an instrument.
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And you all start with the same flute,
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like a wooden little flute, just to learn
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the basics of music and
learn how to read the notes.
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- I played, like the normal
flute, the blokfluit,
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and the querflote it's also the flute.
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Like this and this.
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- I changed from this
position to this position
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and did that about seven or eight years.
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- But I actually studied
classical flute back then.
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I do nothing with it anymore.
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- I was actually studying like the coolest
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metal instrument ever, the
clarinet when I was a kid.
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- I mean I grew up just
like singing along with
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like Disney movies and stuff,
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so I mean I could sing
like a Princess I guess.
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- I had a old, crooked guitar
from my uncle, my uncle Harry,
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and I learned some chords on the guitar,
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so I started writing songs.
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- Then I discovered my old,
the old guitar of my father,
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old acoustic guitar, and
put new strings on it
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and learned to play some chords with him.
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And I think after I learned
to play the first three chords
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I tried to write a song.
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- In school I was always like
immediately in school chorr,
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and the school bands,
and I did all those shows
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where you could win prizes, and you know.
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So I was on stage when I
was like about 11 or 12
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andllovedit
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- in the last year we always
have a school musical,
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and unfortunately only the
popular kids got the main,
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you know, bigger parts
in it, the bigger roles.
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And I was, I loved it from the beginning,
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but I was not a popular kid,
so I just got, you know,
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put away in the back a little bit.
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Nevertheless I loved it so much.
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And then high school
came and there was this
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high school musical that
they were going to do.
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So I signed up for that and
this one actually had auditions.
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- I auditioned to sing a
part for Marilyn Monroe, and
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there was another girl and she
was following acting classes.
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So she put up this great
act, couldn't really sing,
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but she was very entertaining
to watch, and I was standing
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there like a fridge, super
nervous singing this song.
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- I did the audition, and I
got one of the bigger roles
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as narrator in the story
of Joseph and the amazing
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technicolor dreamcoat
from Andrew Lloyd weber.
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- And she liked my voice so
much they wrote a extra part
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for the musical just so
that I could sing a song,
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and that was “all at once”
from Whitney Houston.
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And I sang it horribly.
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I don't wanna ever see that again.
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- I really enjoyed the singing,
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and when finally the
show came I was hooked.
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And after that I joined the school band.
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And after we moved I found a
new band in the place where
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I lived back then and
that was after forever.
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- But she sparked a flame in me.
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She told me, you should
get singing lessons.
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So at the age of 14 I got like
jazz, pop singing lessons.
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- I never thought of becoming
a professional singer
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until I visited the conservatory.
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That was during my high school days.
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A lot of students make trips to, you know,
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educations to see if I would fit or not.
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- I didn't go to a conservatory,
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but I did have like six years
of private singing lessons.
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- Then, the rock academie came,
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which started in '99
here in the Netherlands.
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It was a whole new education
sort of like the conservatory
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but then for pop and rock musicians
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and that was perfect for me.
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- I had my first records out.
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And after the third record, people said,
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well, are you a trained singer?
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Did you study it?
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And I said no.
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Got on my nerves and I
thought, man, you know,
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I don't like when people
you know look down on me
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because I didn't study it.
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So I took vocal lessons.
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- I had 2 years of
singing lessons as a kid.
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- Yeah, I started when I was eight,
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and I loved it and I did
it until I was about 15.
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- I was a student who really
wanted to learn a lot.
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Every time I learned
something I saw how much more
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there was to learn and
I didn't find a teacher
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on the rock academie that
could trigger me into wanting
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even more, I just ran into
their boundaries all the time.
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- I would get a lot of comments
from my teachers saying,
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I would quit that band of yours
and you know, go search for
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a choir because who wouldn't
like a nice soprano like you?
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- Then after a couple of
years the same people said,
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hey doro, can't you sing
like you sang before?
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- It started really dwindling you know,
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as I was starting to
turn into a young adult.
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- So I ended up with a
teacher on the conservatory,
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with whom I've later continued
my studies in music theatre
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and opera after my
graduation from rock academie
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just because he could trigger me
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into doing new things, different things.
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- When I was 14 I think I started singing,
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did that for 14 years I
think and I did everything
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from classical to jazz to pop to anything.
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And I find out that the
technical side was, I like that,
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you know to develop technically.
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- I had very short training
and I actually quit because
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I didn't like this element
of it which really it wasn't
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all about teaching technique
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but it was also about teaching aesthetics.
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And I always felt rather,
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I like to kind of decide
on my own aesthetics.
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- Yeah, then heavy metal
made its way into my life
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and changed everything.
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- I was mainly listening
to bands like pantera
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nr ll
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- within temptation and after forever.
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- After forever.
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- Within temptation, after forever.
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- Slayer, metallica
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- mystic circle, dimmu borgir,
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cradle of filth, old mans child.
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- Moonspell or amorphis.
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- In flames.
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- Some nightwish.
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- Celestial season.
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- Tristania.
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- System of a down.
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- Saxon and maiden and
priest and motorhead.
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- My dying bride.
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- Lacuna coil.
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- Yeah, then radiohead's
my favorite band ever.
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- But the guys were
listening to in flames,
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and to bands like dimmu borgir.
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- Another important one was orphanage,
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- the gathering
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- the gathering
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- the gathering
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- yeah, the combination
of a powerful female voice
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with metal was for me in the
gathering the first time.
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I would go this is really, really cool.
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Fl the frost hits me in the eye
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d and wakes me up fl
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I also met them backstage.
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I was one of those, you know,
really scared 16 year olds,
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like oh, I'm gonna meet
the band backstage.
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D and wakes me up fl
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that's so funny, I can't even remember.
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Especially because I
became friends with anneke,
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with the singer, because, you know,
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the world is such a small place.
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Fl when the sun comes
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fl I break it with my shadow
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fl which tells me where I go fl
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Yeah, there were some weird bands
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I never really got to follow.
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I just bought some cds that looked cool,
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because you're 15 and you have no idea.
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Yeah, different perspective,
it's good to remember.
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- My first encounters with metal
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were with doom metal for instance.
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And that's very emotional,
very melancholic,
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very dramatic, and that
really spoke to me.
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And when I figured out
that there were women
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who were involved in this
kind of music, I was like,
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okay, you're allowed
to do this as a woman.
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You know there is a possibility
to make heavy music.
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- I guess I became interested in women,
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you know, singing metal as well.
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I listened to theater of
tragedy and sins of thy beloved
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to figure out that was
not my type of singing
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since I've always loved power voices.
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And anneke Van giersbergen
the singer of the gathering
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has a more powerful voice.
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- And, but I also listened
to a lot of black music,
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like aretha Franklin, and
Michael Jackson, and Diana Ross,
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Marvin gaye, mahalia Jackson,
my mother had a record of her.
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I love Ella Fitzgerald.
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I love that.
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And so what all these guys have in common,
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is that they are like, proper singers.
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Like they're very
technical skilled singers,
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they make like long notes
and they have lots of energy
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in their performance, in their voice,
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and the power of their voice.
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I always loved that, I always loved it.
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- All the, let's say the
instrumental parts of metal
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all bring every song to a certain climax
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or it's just one big climax
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You know heavy stuff.
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- I love 'cause it has
like a very, it has a very
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like romantic atmosphere almost,
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because of the darkness in it.
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Not like romantic candlelight dinner.
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But you know?
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Like, they have something
you want to be there.
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When they play, you get
sucked into the mood.
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- It allows for everything
like including emotions
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and sounds to be kind of larger than life.
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- I like the extra drama
that is permitted in metal.
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- Not necessarily drama as
bombastic, symphonic something,
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but more like that
passion, that melancholy.
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- That also the singers bring in power.
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Nice interpretation, powerful
feelings, and also power
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in their sound to emphasize the power
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and the heaviness of the music.
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- So it's more that quality
of you know of the dramatic
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and the larger than life and
of the even the aggressive
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sometimes that really, really spoke to me.
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- For me I just really loved
the aggressiveness of metal.
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It's sorta like I mean, if you
take the aggression of punk
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and then you make it like
a thousand times angrier
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and darker but then you're
also allowed to have like
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beautiful melody in there, you
know, like metal is so open
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in a way that you can kind
of do anything you want
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and it's acceptable and I can't
really think of many other
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genres of music where you
have that much freedom.
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- It's a bit more intricate
than the stuff you hear
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on the top 40 and so,
and that appealed to me.
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I could dive in, properly
dive into a song or in a band,
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you know, 'cause they all
have stories and they,
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you know, and they had
something to say also,
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about politics about themselves,
about their feelings,
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about social issues so, yeah.
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- The most important thing for
me has always been the music,
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and in metal I can just
do what I like most.
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- When I started out, I didn't
really have any major goals
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in music, I was like, well this is cool,
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let's just see how this goes.
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Then once I you know, got
signed to a label and started
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having my cd's being
recognized and people coming
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to the shows and knowing
the name of my band,
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it sort of started becoming,
okay I want everybody
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to know the name of my band
so that I can keep doing this
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and make more music.
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And I was satisfied with just
like, if I can just like work
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a job to be able to survive
and do my band that's fine.
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- This is what we like.
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We never make the music just to become
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as big as Michael Jackson.
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- You can become a very
big metal artist and tour
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the world and tour it again,
and that's big enough for me.
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I don't need to become
the next pink, or Madonna,
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or you know, Skunk Anansie.
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- But now it's getting to
the point where, well okay,
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I don't have another job
so I need to do my band
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to be able to survive.
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And honestly, I think that my
goal or like the peak for me
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is just I wanna be able
to live a happy life
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doing something that makes me happy.
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- Yeah, big like pantera
or big like metallica.
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Why not?
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I mean, that's the limits
I guess, within metal.
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But that's huge.
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That's fine.
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I wouldn't be unhappy if I wouldn't,
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you know, reach that level.
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- I don't have to be rich.
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Like I said, I have my cats,
I have a roof over my head,
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I'm fine, but no, yeah.
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- Making music with arch enemy
makes me happy and playing
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shows and writing songs and
recording albums makes me happy.
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So, if I can live comfortably doing that,
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then that's good enough for me.
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You know I don't need
to live in a big house
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or drive a fancy car or have a car at all.
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You know, I don't need you
know, expensive clothing.
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Like I'm actually, I actually
hate materialistic things,
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I have no interest in it whatsoever.
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- The music and making the
music you like is the biggest
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ambition to be privileged,
I'd be privileged,
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feel privileged to be able to do that.
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That is more important
than becoming super famous.
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- We make this music
because we want to do it
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or our heart tells us to
do it and we're good in it.
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Fl so mirror what is it you see today
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d a reflection yes,
magically looking like mine fl
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so there's no reason to change
to a more commercial style.
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Fl the chameleon fl
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- metal, is technical and musical music.
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It's well written, you
have to be a good player
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to be playing in a good metal band.
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If there's one thing I've seen
a lot of people that don't
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listen to metal regularly but
do like music or are musicians
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but not familiar with the genre,
what they've been noticing
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is that very often you have
to be a very good musician
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to do this well.
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You have to be technically
good and it's not just fast.
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And to write a good metal song
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you need to be a good songwriter.
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It's not just violence and noise.
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Some people just assume,
oh, metal is just noise.
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Really?
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Try to make it.
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- Metal is the new opera.
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When opera came out most
people said it was horrible,
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this new technique of the
voice, it was terrible.
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And nowadays everybody loves
it, like oh yeah, beautiful.
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But I think the same is with
metal, if you don't know
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it really well and you just
hear the noise then of course
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people say oh it's awful, it's no music,
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it's just some shit.
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But the people who do
know it and do like it
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they know it is technically
very advanced and really good.
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Fl no time should ever go to waste
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fl it's not that complicated
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fl you're free to live your life at ease
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d no more restraints fl
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- classical music in general
correlates amazingly well with
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metal, especially because
of the intricacies
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and how melodic it is
and how it tells a story.
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The way it comes back to sections.
348
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I think it's like, the
beginning of heavy metal.
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Fl you'll never give up hope
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fl when all we do is
run around in circles fl
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- I used to write acoustic songs,
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little singer songwriting kind of thing.
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Take my guitar with me
to parties and sing.
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People would always ask me to.
355
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There was this one particular
birthday party of a friend,
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and this guy came to me and said hey,
357
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I know this metal band, I
heard you like metal as well,
358
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and they're looking for
this background singer.
359
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- We had a grunter, a
front man that was a guy,
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he later on he left the band.
361
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And when she showed up we
heard she was so good that,
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that wasn't just a background singer.
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D I feel more pain fl
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- so just by saying I
like metal and, you know,
365
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how would it be to sing in one,
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it kind of came together like that.
367
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- I remember that I did
a performance in school
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and I sang one Aria, and that was it.
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The next day I had two texts from numbers
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that I didn't know.
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Thank you anaheim!
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One was from a project in town,
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and one was from to elysium.
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And they said our singer
quit, can you fill in for her?
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So it basically took one performance
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of singing really high-pitched
and I was in those bands.
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D a world beyond your sleep
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fl beyond what's real
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d and in safety hidden sphere
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fl away from our daily reality
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fl truth lies out there fl
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- but I didn't particularly
search for a woman.
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If she would have had a good
voice, and she felt the music
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and if she would not have
been able to write the lyrics
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for it, we would not have
been a female fronted band.
386
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- Some things have to be the way they are.
387
00:22:08,369 --> 00:22:10,162
- If there's one thing
I'm really happy about
388
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is that no one had cell phones yet
389
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during the first after
forever show with me.
390
00:22:16,252 --> 00:22:19,713
I was listening to death metal at the time
391
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and I had a t-shirt from vader,
it's this Polish metal band,
392
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and it was slightly too small
for me, and I painted my hair
393
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black, pitch black, made me
look I look like I just died.
394
00:22:33,686 --> 00:22:36,063
I didn't know what to do with
makeup all that well yet,
395
00:22:36,105 --> 00:22:39,567
and I for sure didn't
know what to do on stage.
396
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I think that was still in
my background position that
397
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you know, we still had the
grunting singer as the main man.
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And so I would get up
every time I had to sing,
399
00:22:51,787 --> 00:22:54,582
and when I was done with
singing I would sit down
400
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on a speaker or something
and waited until I could,
401
00:22:58,168 --> 00:22:59,545
you know, get back on my feet.
402
00:22:59,587 --> 00:23:02,715
- My first show with arch enemy.
403
00:23:02,756 --> 00:23:05,009
So this is a big deal for me right?
404
00:23:05,050 --> 00:23:06,319
This is my first time I'm gonna be
405
00:23:06,343 --> 00:23:08,554
playing the songs that
I wrote for arch enemy
406
00:23:08,596 --> 00:23:11,682
and the old songs that
I've loved for years.
407
00:23:11,724 --> 00:23:14,643
So, our bus breaks down on
the way to that show, twice.
408
00:23:14,685 --> 00:23:16,413
The second time, the air
conditioning breaks down
409
00:23:16,437 --> 00:23:18,480
and we're in like Turkey,
we're going like through
410
00:23:18,522 --> 00:23:22,943
Turkey and like in Romania,
and so it's boiling hot.
411
00:23:22,985 --> 00:23:25,321
So we're just drenched in sweat,
412
00:23:25,362 --> 00:23:27,865
like we can't even move, it's super hot.
413
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Plus the drive to get there
was 24 straight hours.
414
00:23:31,243 --> 00:23:34,204
So we're in this boiling
sauna for 24 hours.
415
00:23:34,246 --> 00:23:36,498
So then we get there, but
because the driver was crazy,
416
00:23:36,540 --> 00:23:41,462
we got there about six hours
late and so we got there
417
00:23:41,503 --> 00:23:44,173
like half an hour before
I had to get onstage.
418
00:23:44,214 --> 00:23:46,967
So I went from being like,
in this enclosed vehicle
419
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with no air, boiling hot,
for 24 hours straight
420
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to half an hour to get
on stage and do like,
421
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probably the most important
show of your life.
422
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- In my recollection there
was no show between that show
423
00:24:00,439 --> 00:24:03,984
and another show at
exactly the same place,
424
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maybe a year later.
425
00:24:06,779 --> 00:24:10,157
I changed from background
position, or at least oh my god
426
00:24:10,199 --> 00:24:13,327
this is scary position to
okay, now I'm the front lady
427
00:24:13,369 --> 00:24:17,373
I should wear something
nice and now you know.
428
00:24:17,414 --> 00:24:19,416
I still didn't know exactly
what to do of course,
429
00:24:19,458 --> 00:24:22,753
but I got my, I got a dress from my mom.
430
00:24:24,171 --> 00:24:26,256
I was so proud of it, she used to wear it.
431
00:24:26,298 --> 00:24:27,716
I wore it at that show.
432
00:24:27,758 --> 00:24:29,718
I didn't know it showed
through a little bit
433
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,179
so you could see my underwear.
434
00:24:32,221 --> 00:24:35,599
But at that time I
didn't know fortunately,
435
00:24:35,641 --> 00:24:37,786
I just thought I looked really
pretty, and I had a little
436
00:24:37,810 --> 00:24:40,854
more, yeah, feeling of security there,
437
00:24:40,896 --> 00:24:45,025
and that was my first front
a metal band kind of thing.
438
00:24:46,902 --> 00:24:48,988
I already did a lot of headbanging,
439
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:52,157
which is funny 'cause now I
know a lot of people know me
440
00:24:52,199 --> 00:24:54,994
because of the windmill
stuff that I do with my head.
441
00:24:55,035 --> 00:24:56,495
I still love to do it.
442
00:24:56,537 --> 00:24:57,722
It's still part of the whole metal
443
00:24:57,746 --> 00:25:00,457
vibe or something, but yeah.
444
00:25:00,499 --> 00:25:04,086
First show I absolutely was
way too shy for all of that.
445
00:25:15,681 --> 00:25:17,641
Makeup is the best part.
446
00:25:17,683 --> 00:25:19,059
Trust me.
447
00:25:19,101 --> 00:25:22,980
Nothing is as fun as putting
on makeup before a show.
448
00:25:23,022 --> 00:25:25,733
It didn't grow on me very
natural what to wear,
449
00:25:25,774 --> 00:25:29,028
what kind of makeup to use, how to use it.
450
00:25:29,069 --> 00:25:30,904
I really had to grow into that role
451
00:25:30,946 --> 00:25:32,823
and really had to learn from other people.
452
00:25:32,865 --> 00:25:34,992
- This goes for men and
women but I think this
453
00:25:35,034 --> 00:25:38,537
is a certain challenge which is yeah,
454
00:25:38,579 --> 00:25:42,374
which is a serious challenge for women.
455
00:25:42,416 --> 00:25:46,253
I think women have to put a
lot more thought into okay,
456
00:25:46,295 --> 00:25:49,840
so what is my image going
to be, what is going to be
457
00:25:49,882 --> 00:25:53,135
the unspoken messages
behind the way that I dress,
458
00:25:53,177 --> 00:25:56,263
behind the way that I do my face.
459
00:25:56,305 --> 00:25:59,099
- What do you want to
show with your clothes.
460
00:25:59,141 --> 00:26:01,643
The metal and the female side.
461
00:26:01,685 --> 00:26:05,481
The big gothic thing that's
been going on for so many years
462
00:26:05,522 --> 00:26:07,524
that I try to kind of push away, like no,
463
00:26:07,566 --> 00:26:09,693
it's not gothic it's metal, you know.
464
00:26:09,735 --> 00:26:12,613
What is the difference,
how do you visualize that.
465
00:26:12,654 --> 00:26:14,531
So I really learned there.
466
00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:16,992
I have to thank Simone from epica
467
00:26:17,034 --> 00:26:18,660
for that she really helped me there.
468
00:26:18,702 --> 00:26:19,846
- You listen to the
music, you're listening
469
00:26:19,870 --> 00:26:22,748
to emotions, thoughts, experiences.
470
00:26:23,624 --> 00:26:27,753
And you feel with your, you're
like looking with your ears.
471
00:26:29,963 --> 00:26:34,093
But when you are on stage, I
find it important to dress up
472
00:26:35,928 --> 00:26:38,639
yourself as much as the
stage with decoration,
473
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,100
with backdrops, with nice lighting.
474
00:26:41,141 --> 00:26:42,643
It's part of the visual.
475
00:26:42,684 --> 00:26:45,562
- Yeah, but it is always a balance.
476
00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:47,856
With some of the real hard
stuff and I'm standing there
477
00:26:47,898 --> 00:26:51,360
in my short dress or if I
wear a shorter skirt I'm like,
478
00:26:51,401 --> 00:26:56,198
does this fit, you know,
is this not a bit weird.
479
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,910
At the same time I love,
actually love jeans
480
00:26:59,952 --> 00:27:02,037
or good leather pants on stage.
481
00:27:03,038 --> 00:27:07,167
Fl leisurely we decline fl
482
00:27:11,755 --> 00:27:14,842
but if you do a ballad
or something more melodic
483
00:27:14,883 --> 00:27:15,926
it doesn't fit.
484
00:27:15,968 --> 00:27:18,303
So you need to find a balance
indeed between the metal
485
00:27:18,345 --> 00:27:22,057
and the, you know, looking cool
part and the feminine more,
486
00:27:22,099 --> 00:27:25,102
yeah, rounder, melodic nicer element.
487
00:27:28,105 --> 00:27:31,733
Fl try to learn from yesterday fl
488
00:27:31,775 --> 00:27:34,736
I know that from other
colleagues in this genre,
489
00:27:34,778 --> 00:27:36,989
female colleagues, that it's always been
490
00:27:37,030 --> 00:27:40,868
a bigger challenge for us
than for male colleagues.
491
00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:43,704
Male colleagues also
look for the good looks,
492
00:27:43,745 --> 00:27:46,456
but somehow it's easier for them.
493
00:27:49,334 --> 00:27:52,713
- There are some men that do
have to take care to you know,
494
00:27:52,754 --> 00:27:53,881
present themselves for stage
495
00:27:53,922 --> 00:27:55,567
and then there are some
women that don't care.
496
00:27:55,591 --> 00:27:58,635
So for example, Doyle,
he has a look that's very
497
00:27:58,677 --> 00:28:01,763
recognizable and iconic and
so, if he was to go on stage
498
00:28:01,805 --> 00:28:04,725
without that look, it
wouldn't be the same show
499
00:28:04,766 --> 00:28:07,686
for a lot of people and it
might seem silly because
500
00:28:07,728 --> 00:28:11,190
it's just like, hairstyle and
makeup and working out every
501
00:28:11,231 --> 00:28:14,026
fuckin' day but it's actually important
502
00:28:14,067 --> 00:28:15,861
and that's what makes a good show.
503
00:28:15,903 --> 00:28:18,989
- Luckily our guys also
have all a good face,
504
00:28:19,031 --> 00:28:21,241
even though we've all aged.
505
00:28:22,784 --> 00:28:23,952
So we've become older
506
00:28:23,994 --> 00:28:26,413
and you present yourself
in a different way.
507
00:28:26,455 --> 00:28:29,458
You see things in a different
light, but I find it important
508
00:28:29,499 --> 00:28:33,212
to make the visual as
nice also as the music.
509
00:28:35,756 --> 00:28:37,174
- The objectification in general
510
00:28:37,216 --> 00:28:38,759
goes for men as well as women.
511
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,680
I mean, in Dutch we say the
eye also wants something.
512
00:28:43,722 --> 00:28:46,266
So you can be a good
musician, but you know.
513
00:28:46,308 --> 00:28:49,645
- There is a certain amount
of bullshit that women
514
00:28:49,686 --> 00:28:52,648
do have to take just because we're women.
515
00:28:52,689 --> 00:28:55,567
- I have found myself in
serious fights over things
516
00:28:55,609 --> 00:28:59,529
that might seem trivial
to other people you know,
517
00:28:59,571 --> 00:29:02,658
like the few inches that they
photoshopped off my thighs.
518
00:29:02,699 --> 00:29:05,786
I would get infuriated because this for me
519
00:29:05,827 --> 00:29:09,248
is playing along with that circus.
520
00:29:09,289 --> 00:29:11,309
That circus that teaches
people that they should look
521
00:29:11,333 --> 00:29:13,627
a certain way and not differently.
522
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:16,004
And I think will my
music sound any different
523
00:29:16,046 --> 00:29:17,422
if my thighs are.
524
00:29:20,592 --> 00:29:23,762
- I've never felt exceptional
because I'm a woman.
525
00:29:23,804 --> 00:29:28,517
I've never felt I'm getting
more privileges because of it.
526
00:29:28,558 --> 00:29:32,604
I've never used my sexualism
to get any benefits.
527
00:29:33,897 --> 00:29:38,068
And I actually find it very
annoying that a lot of people
528
00:29:38,110 --> 00:29:42,155
try to emphasize the difference
between females in metal,
529
00:29:42,197 --> 00:29:43,740
you know, towards men.
530
00:29:43,782 --> 00:29:46,868
Yeah sure there are differences
yeah, yeah, yeah, plenty.
531
00:29:46,910 --> 00:29:49,955
But by emphasizing it you'll
never get to this level
532
00:29:49,997 --> 00:29:54,710
and especially, I think ladies
do it just as much as men do.
533
00:29:54,751 --> 00:29:57,796
Hey, I've been in a
metal band for 14 years.
534
00:29:57,838 --> 00:30:01,967
Doro is celebrating her 35th anniversary.
535
00:30:02,009 --> 00:30:04,094
Women in metal is not a new concept.
536
00:30:04,136 --> 00:30:09,099
And we learned how to be
ourselves in a group of men,
537
00:30:09,141 --> 00:30:11,768
like maybe girls do in the army,
538
00:30:13,145 --> 00:30:17,107
or other types of work where
there are more men than women.
539
00:30:17,149 --> 00:30:18,668
- The fact of the matter
is, you're still female
540
00:30:18,692 --> 00:30:21,194
to the rest of the world,
you know, and that means that
541
00:30:21,236 --> 00:30:24,156
you're a target for certain
things to the rest of the world.
542
00:30:24,197 --> 00:30:27,409
Even if you're wearing a snow
suit, not showing any skin
543
00:30:27,451 --> 00:30:28,594
with no makeup, shave your head,
544
00:30:28,618 --> 00:30:30,471
you're still gonna be told
to take off your clothes
545
00:30:30,495 --> 00:30:31,538
because you're a girl.
546
00:30:31,580 --> 00:30:34,875
- I do say that if you are one
to know, to you know follow
547
00:30:34,916 --> 00:30:39,046
whatever your higher manager
or your a&r person or your,
548
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:44,861
and once again, this is not
name-calling this is just
549
00:30:44,885 --> 00:30:49,222
from experience from working
with a lot of different people.
550
00:30:49,264 --> 00:30:51,892
If you're going to do what
those people want you to do
551
00:30:51,933 --> 00:30:56,063
you'll probably be wearing
push-up bras your entire life.
552
00:30:58,940 --> 00:31:00,901
And not much more might I add.
553
00:31:00,942 --> 00:31:02,086
- My roommate is a great example.
554
00:31:02,110 --> 00:31:05,739
Justine from blackguard,
okay, she seriously
555
00:31:05,781 --> 00:31:09,576
works harder than most
men I know in the scene.
556
00:31:09,618 --> 00:31:13,955
She plays drums better than, I think 99°/o
557
00:31:13,997 --> 00:31:16,708
of any drummer I've seen in any band.
558
00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:19,669
She loads all her own stuff,
she takes apart her kit,
559
00:31:19,711 --> 00:31:21,564
she puts it back together,
she helps the other bands
560
00:31:21,588 --> 00:31:23,548
put their kits together.
561
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:26,635
But then she'll still get,
oh are you the merch girl?
562
00:31:26,676 --> 00:31:29,012
Or oh, who's girlfriend are you?
563
00:31:29,054 --> 00:31:31,932
- There was this cover some
time ago of a magazme,
564
00:31:31,973 --> 00:31:35,185
a French magazine I don't
know what exactly it was
565
00:31:35,227 --> 00:31:39,356
but there were singers of,
female singers of metal bands
566
00:31:43,777 --> 00:31:45,862
on the cover and they were together
567
00:31:45,904 --> 00:31:49,282
and they were painted as the last supper.
568
00:31:52,744 --> 00:31:55,080
But we all got accessories.
569
00:31:55,122 --> 00:31:59,000
And you know some of us
were undressed painted
570
00:31:59,042 --> 00:32:02,546
and you know, we got pasties on our boobs.
571
00:32:02,587 --> 00:32:06,591
I was, I had the pleasure
of being completely naked
572
00:32:06,633 --> 00:32:09,761
with a pile of cocaine in front of me.
573
00:32:11,596 --> 00:32:15,767
And there were a lot of girls
who were outraged about that.
574
00:32:17,602 --> 00:32:20,480
And there were some girls who said,
575
00:32:21,982 --> 00:32:25,110
you girls don't have a sense of humor.
576
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:28,738
And these girls who said, you
don't have a sense of humor
577
00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:32,200
these are the girls that also
made the statements like,
578
00:32:32,242 --> 00:32:36,121
I'm just one of the guys,
and it's kind of like
579
00:32:37,539 --> 00:32:39,624
don't make an issue out
of this gender thing.
580
00:32:39,666 --> 00:32:42,419
And I was really stuck in between.
581
00:32:42,461 --> 00:32:46,798
Because I do have a sense of
humor, then again I would have
582
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,676
appreciated the guy asking
whether he could paint me
583
00:32:49,718 --> 00:32:51,470
naked in front of a mountain of cocaine
584
00:32:51,511 --> 00:32:53,430
to be on the cover of a magazine.
585
00:32:53,472 --> 00:32:54,681
You know?
586
00:32:54,723 --> 00:32:58,560
- In the 80s, it was like
you had to be careful
587
00:32:58,602 --> 00:33:01,229
about not showing too much skin.
588
00:33:01,271 --> 00:33:04,441
Otherwise you would be in that corner,
589
00:33:07,235 --> 00:33:10,197
it was my first show on
the Judas priest tour
590
00:33:10,238 --> 00:33:13,825
back in the day, and I had
brand new stage clothes on,
591
00:33:13,867 --> 00:33:15,547
and they were done like especially for me,
592
00:33:15,577 --> 00:33:18,288
like really nice and tight and stuff.
593
00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:22,334
So I had a beautiful top on
and then I was headbanging
594
00:33:22,375 --> 00:33:23,793
and jumping up and down
595
00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:27,297
and then I was pushing my fist in the air.
596
00:33:29,132 --> 00:33:30,842
Then my bass player, he came up,
597
00:33:30,884 --> 00:33:32,761
he said, doro look at yourself.
598
00:33:32,802 --> 00:33:34,012
And then I said what?
599
00:33:34,054 --> 00:33:37,182
And then I look down and my top, it broke.
600
00:33:37,224 --> 00:33:39,643
It was just like just like yeah!
601
00:33:39,684 --> 00:33:41,686
And I thought, oh my god.
602
00:33:41,728 --> 00:33:44,105
It was just like a couple
of seconds and then I turned
603
00:33:44,147 --> 00:33:46,942
around in maybe 10 seconds
and you know I just like
604
00:33:46,983 --> 00:33:50,570
I tried to you know put it back together.
605
00:33:50,612 --> 00:33:52,864
I came to america, my first trip there,
606
00:33:52,906 --> 00:33:55,325
I walked into a record
store and they said,
607
00:33:55,367 --> 00:33:57,827
oh can you sign that nice poster?
608
00:33:57,869 --> 00:33:59,454
And I said sure, sure.
609
00:33:59,496 --> 00:34:02,374
And then I opened it up I
think it was kerrang magazine
610
00:34:02,415 --> 00:34:04,584
or something and it was the big poster
611
00:34:04,626 --> 00:34:07,837
of me with nothing on, just the breast.
612
00:34:09,798 --> 00:34:13,009
I thought oh, and I thought no way man.
613
00:34:15,136 --> 00:34:17,931
I wanted to be taken
seriously for our nice metal
614
00:34:17,973 --> 00:34:19,349
and not for that.
615
00:34:20,475 --> 00:34:23,895
- I can imagine you use your sexuality.
616
00:34:23,937 --> 00:34:26,815
But to sell sex just to get famous,
617
00:34:30,151 --> 00:34:31,671
it happens on all levels
and maybe you're just
618
00:34:31,695 --> 00:34:35,073
compromising for a lack of other talents.
619
00:34:36,866 --> 00:34:39,077
That's always what I think when I see it.
620
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:41,913
- If a woman feels like I
wanna be naked and fuck you
621
00:34:41,955 --> 00:34:45,375
because I'm doing this
for me, cool, do it.
622
00:34:45,417 --> 00:34:48,503
But then, on the other side,
it's like well, I've had to
623
00:34:48,545 --> 00:34:51,756
work for like, many years just
to not be seen as something
624
00:34:51,798 --> 00:34:54,634
that should be naked by now, you know.
625
00:34:54,676 --> 00:34:57,387
And when I see other women
sort of really pushing their
626
00:34:57,429 --> 00:35:01,224
bodies, it's sort of honestly,
it usually bothers me
627
00:35:01,266 --> 00:35:02,350
at first because I'm like,
628
00:35:02,392 --> 00:35:03,619
no, we're fighting against that.
629
00:35:03,643 --> 00:35:05,520
Like, make them listen instead of look.
630
00:35:05,562 --> 00:35:08,023
- I think it's demeaning.
631
00:35:08,064 --> 00:35:11,484
But like I say, it's only
my opinion it doesn't mean
632
00:35:11,526 --> 00:35:14,571
it's true maybe it's a very,
very good singer who just likes
633
00:35:14,613 --> 00:35:17,782
to do that or says, hey for the heck of it
634
00:35:17,824 --> 00:35:20,368
I do want to get famous
and I don't care how.
635
00:35:20,410 --> 00:35:22,162
Fair enough.
636
00:35:22,203 --> 00:35:24,247
I don't want to judge it.
637
00:35:26,374 --> 00:35:28,918
But at least as far as I'm concerned
638
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,796
looking good, looking appealing, sure.
639
00:35:31,838 --> 00:35:35,800
But selling sex just to
get there, I don't know.
640
00:35:37,469 --> 00:35:41,389
Whether it's metal or not,
it's demeaning for women.
641
00:35:41,431 --> 00:35:42,807
We don't need that, come on.
642
00:35:42,849 --> 00:35:45,101
- Although that is a tool you
can use to control people,
643
00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:47,520
because you can basically just be like,
644
00:35:47,562 --> 00:35:49,314
boobs, buy this magazine.
645
00:35:49,356 --> 00:35:51,399
Oh, okay, whoa, I have
this magazine in my hand,
646
00:35:51,441 --> 00:35:52,233
how'd that happen?
647
00:35:52,275 --> 00:35:53,275
You know.
648
00:35:54,194 --> 00:35:56,005
As much as that's cool,
because you're actually using
649
00:35:56,029 --> 00:35:58,007
your sexuality to control
others, just be careful because
650
00:35:58,031 --> 00:36:01,785
that sexuality that you put out there
651
00:36:01,826 --> 00:36:04,537
is something that's always
going to be identified with you.
652
00:36:04,579 --> 00:36:07,165
- For a lot of people, needless to say,
653
00:36:07,207 --> 00:36:09,918
music is a really personal thing.
654
00:36:11,252 --> 00:36:14,964
And you make a very
personal thing a product,
655
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,611
because, you know, it's
a cd people can buy it,
656
00:36:18,635 --> 00:36:19,552
it's a product.
657
00:36:19,594 --> 00:36:21,596
If you make that very
personal thing a product
658
00:36:21,638 --> 00:36:23,848
it's very easy to, and of course then
659
00:36:23,890 --> 00:36:26,810
you sell images of yourself as well.
660
00:36:26,851 --> 00:36:30,980
Then it's very hard to even
keep from objectifying yourself.
661
00:36:32,691 --> 00:36:36,277
This is, actually I just
recently like three weeks ago
662
00:36:36,319 --> 00:36:38,780
I got this tattoo, and
it's my first tattoo.
663
00:36:38,822 --> 00:36:39,965
Congratulations.
664
00:36:39,989 --> 00:36:41,157
- Thank you.
665
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:43,118
And I was very, very proud of it.
666
00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:44,994
And I thought, shall I
put it on the Internet?
667
00:36:45,036 --> 00:36:48,623
Shall I put a photo on it, on
you know, my Facebook page?
668
00:36:48,665 --> 00:36:51,418
And I think for the first time, I thought,
669
00:36:51,459 --> 00:36:55,588
this is something that is
for me, and I know that with,
670
00:36:57,048 --> 00:37:01,177
you know, whatever, the
people are probably just going
671
00:37:03,138 --> 00:37:06,558
to judge it as if I
was putting out a song,
672
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:07,892
or whatever, you know.
673
00:37:07,934 --> 00:37:09,519
And I thought, no, this is not,
674
00:37:09,561 --> 00:37:12,355
this is something which is for me.
675
00:37:12,397 --> 00:37:14,208
And it's, sometimes it's
actually hard to make this
676
00:37:14,232 --> 00:37:17,944
distinction when, yeah, when
people are buying not only
677
00:37:17,986 --> 00:37:21,698
into the music, but into
the band itself so much.
678
00:37:21,740 --> 00:37:22,967
You know, at one point people are
679
00:37:22,991 --> 00:37:24,367
not judging your music anymore.
680
00:37:24,409 --> 00:37:26,369
They're not judging your photo anymore.
681
00:37:26,411 --> 00:37:28,329
They're not judging your ass anymore.
682
00:37:28,371 --> 00:37:29,622
They're judging you.
683
00:37:29,664 --> 00:37:32,375
And this is something that
within the whole process
684
00:37:32,417 --> 00:37:34,961
sometimes is tricky shit, yeah.
685
00:37:47,766 --> 00:37:52,395
- Ten to 15 years ago it was
a relatively new phenomena,
686
00:37:52,437 --> 00:37:55,982
late 90's more ladies
fronting metal bands.
687
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,527
Of course it's not an entirely new thing.
688
00:37:59,569 --> 00:38:02,155
But there was a different
type of music attached to it,
689
00:38:02,197 --> 00:38:04,199
a different vibe to it like
compared to the earlier
690
00:38:07,035 --> 00:38:08,661
and more of the heavy metal genre.
691
00:38:08,703 --> 00:38:12,665
And more and more bands
came and maybe had a bit
692
00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:18,922
of the same sound in the beginning.
693
00:38:18,963 --> 00:38:20,840
First it was called gothic metal,
694
00:38:20,882 --> 00:38:23,802
a name I didn't understand either.
695
00:38:23,843 --> 00:38:27,680
- I like female fronted metal
a lot more than gothic metal
696
00:38:27,722 --> 00:38:28,723
for, to start.
697
00:38:28,765 --> 00:38:30,725
I don't know if that's
something that's very used
698
00:38:30,767 --> 00:38:35,146
in america, but in Europe
you hear that a lot.
699
00:38:35,188 --> 00:38:37,565
And that I think, doesn't say anything
700
00:38:37,607 --> 00:38:38,775
about the music at all.
701
00:38:38,817 --> 00:38:40,276
- That's outdated.
702
00:38:41,152 --> 00:38:45,573
Female fronted metal nowadays
there are so many metal bands
703
00:38:45,615 --> 00:38:48,785
with female singers that
it sounds weird saying
704
00:38:51,204 --> 00:38:53,623
you don't say that when a guy is singing.
705
00:38:53,665 --> 00:38:56,668
- Yeah a lot of people like
this kind of typecasting
706
00:38:56,709 --> 00:39:00,839
where everything is about
gender and everything is about,
707
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,715
how super special that is.
708
00:39:02,757 --> 00:39:05,343
- So why a male fronted band can be called
709
00:39:05,385 --> 00:39:07,428
symphonic metal, death metal, black metal.
710
00:39:07,470 --> 00:39:10,473
But a band with a female singer
711
00:39:10,515 --> 00:39:13,059
is always female fronted metal.
712
00:39:13,101 --> 00:39:16,771
- For instance, when you
want to, when you want to try
713
00:39:16,813 --> 00:39:20,525
to get booked on a
festival, and they say like,
714
00:39:20,567 --> 00:39:23,862
oh but we've already got a
female fronted metal band.
715
00:39:23,903 --> 00:39:26,906
I'm like, yeah okay, well
you have a lot of male
716
00:39:26,948 --> 00:39:30,535
fronted metal bands so that
shouldn't be really a problem.
717
00:39:30,577 --> 00:39:32,996
I think if we would focus
more on the music itself
718
00:39:33,037 --> 00:39:35,123
than on the gender of people on stage,
719
00:39:35,164 --> 00:39:37,667
that would be the best thing to do.
720
00:39:37,709 --> 00:39:41,087
- Like, I don't regard
my gender my identity.
721
00:39:41,129 --> 00:39:42,964
Like, there's a whole lot more to it.
722
00:39:43,006 --> 00:39:44,591
- Yeah, epica's a metal band,
723
00:39:44,632 --> 00:39:45,901
we're not a female-fronted metal band.
724
00:39:45,925 --> 00:39:48,011
We got Mark who's also singing.
725
00:39:48,052 --> 00:39:50,471
And like I said, I can burp like a man so.
726
00:39:52,932 --> 00:39:55,935
- Maybe the origins of metal
is a bit more male dominated
727
00:39:55,977 --> 00:39:59,230
than it is today and that
means that it still is
728
00:40:00,815 --> 00:40:02,525
I don't think that's a bad thing.
729
00:40:02,567 --> 00:40:05,653
But it's not that special
anymore that there are ladies
730
00:40:05,695 --> 00:40:10,408
in bands, and to call the entire
band a female fronted band
731
00:40:10,450 --> 00:40:14,329
or the music they make
female fronted music,
732
00:40:14,370 --> 00:40:17,665
that I think has nothing
to do with how it sounds
733
00:40:17,707 --> 00:40:20,877
and that would not happen in other genres.
734
00:40:29,260 --> 00:40:31,721
Fl true hearts
735
00:40:33,097 --> 00:40:36,476
fl true pain fl
736
00:40:36,517 --> 00:40:40,146
- you know, girls generally
don't wanna be gross and dirty
737
00:40:40,188 --> 00:40:42,028
and sometimes guys are
okay with that you know.
738
00:40:42,065 --> 00:40:44,525
Like, we kinda wanna take
showers, we kinda have to like
739
00:40:44,567 --> 00:40:47,445
put on makeup sometimes and we
wanna like, have some privacy
740
00:40:47,487 --> 00:40:49,864
to change our clothes and you
know, little things like that
741
00:40:49,906 --> 00:40:53,242
that you don't necessarily think about.
742
00:40:53,284 --> 00:40:56,329
But they are an issue because
you're in a band of people
743
00:40:56,371 --> 00:40:59,499
together all the time, in
a Van or in a backstage
744
00:40:59,540 --> 00:41:01,459
or in a bus or wherever.
745
00:41:01,501 --> 00:41:02,877
Like it's different you know.
746
00:41:02,919 --> 00:41:05,129
We're a different species almost.
747
00:41:05,171 --> 00:41:07,048
We need different things.
748
00:41:07,090 --> 00:41:11,678
Fl fair minds, fair thoughts fl
749
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,264
- in a certain way I do feel
very connected and very similar
750
00:41:15,306 --> 00:41:18,476
to the guys, but at the
same time I recognize our
751
00:41:18,518 --> 00:41:21,771
differences, and I don't find it necessary
752
00:41:21,813 --> 00:41:23,940
to emphasize it any more.
753
00:41:23,982 --> 00:41:26,275
Like in a normal relationship
between men and women,
754
00:41:27,944 --> 00:41:31,114
there is always a little tension,
a little game of you know,
755
00:41:31,155 --> 00:41:33,491
there's always a
difference, but that's fine
756
00:41:33,533 --> 00:41:37,078
and you just learn how to deal with that.
757
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,873
- I was always one of
the guys and no big deal.
758
00:41:40,915 --> 00:41:44,127
When people want to degrade
you to just being a woman,
759
00:41:44,168 --> 00:41:47,839
that sometimes makes me you know like,
760
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,091
makes me laugh actually.
761
00:41:50,133 --> 00:41:53,761
On the other hand, now we're
touring all over the world
762
00:41:53,803 --> 00:41:57,015
and we tour in many,
many different countries
763
00:41:57,056 --> 00:42:01,686
where you can definitely feel,
man there's a lot of stuff
764
00:42:01,728 --> 00:42:05,773
going on that women are
totally not equal to men.
765
00:42:07,734 --> 00:42:09,819
In some countries, you can really see that
766
00:42:09,861 --> 00:42:13,990
and in some countries I
couldn't even go and perform.
767
00:42:15,491 --> 00:42:19,370
I hope, I hope that would change, but yes.
768
00:42:37,597 --> 00:42:40,808
Fl you breath in loudly
769
00:42:41,851 --> 00:42:44,896
fl the ceiling dances
770
00:42:46,105 --> 00:42:49,400
fl your hands are moving
771
00:42:50,777 --> 00:42:53,821
fl numb all my senses
772
00:42:57,450 --> 00:43:00,161
fl I cannot sleep
773
00:43:01,537 --> 00:43:04,248
fl I cannot sleep
774
00:43:06,042 --> 00:43:10,171
fl I cannot sleep fl
775
00:43:12,548 --> 00:43:15,927
- I myself started as a teenager in metal.
776
00:43:15,968 --> 00:43:18,763
It was not necessarily to
rebel against my parents but
777
00:43:18,805 --> 00:43:21,224
at the same time I can't
imagine at that time
778
00:43:21,265 --> 00:43:22,892
it was not exactly something they said,
779
00:43:22,934 --> 00:43:26,479
yay my daughter is
singing in a metal band.
780
00:43:26,521 --> 00:43:30,858
- I don't think that they
mind that it's metal.
781
00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:33,069
My parents, I mean, they
didn't listen to metal,
782
00:43:33,111 --> 00:43:35,988
but at least they listened
to, you know, pink Floyd,
783
00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:38,783
you know, music that you
actually have to listen to,
784
00:43:38,825 --> 00:43:40,159
as is metal.
785
00:43:40,201 --> 00:43:43,871
- They've always helped
me whenever they can,
786
00:43:43,913 --> 00:43:45,998
and they've supported me and my sister
787
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,793
who is also in the entertainment business.
788
00:43:48,835 --> 00:43:51,504
- To have them support me and
believe in me and let me be
789
00:43:51,546 --> 00:43:55,424
who I am has made a huge
difference and impact.
790
00:44:00,263 --> 00:44:03,015
- I think it's also a bit
up to yourself as a musician
791
00:44:03,057 --> 00:44:06,060
to involve people into your world.
792
00:44:17,405 --> 00:44:19,615
Once they see that it's not just noise
793
00:44:19,657 --> 00:44:22,451
and satanic dramas and backstages.
794
00:44:23,369 --> 00:44:24,954
- I mean, they come to the gigs
795
00:44:24,996 --> 00:44:28,040
when we have gigs near them and yeah.
796
00:44:30,084 --> 00:44:33,129
Yeah I think they're as cool
as you can be as parents
797
00:44:33,171 --> 00:44:37,175
about you know, your kids
pursumg a career in music.
798
00:44:37,216 --> 00:44:41,345
- Sure not every parent has
been or is equally supportive,
799
00:44:42,263 --> 00:44:44,056
I'm very fortunate with mine.
800
00:44:44,098 --> 00:44:46,434
They gave me the freedom
to make my own choices
801
00:44:46,475 --> 00:44:48,269
and to make my own
mistakes for that matter.
802
00:44:48,311 --> 00:44:51,063
- I remember my parents
they came to one concert
803
00:44:51,105 --> 00:44:53,065
when we played with Judas priest,
804
00:44:53,107 --> 00:44:56,277
and they were like you
know, dressed like you know
805
00:44:56,319 --> 00:44:58,696
all conservative, like mom and dad.
806
00:44:58,738 --> 00:45:00,865
And then all these
headbangers with long hair
807
00:45:00,907 --> 00:45:04,035
and their jeans, denim
vests with all the patches
808
00:45:05,703 --> 00:45:09,290
and then they said, hey what
are you guys doing here?
809
00:45:09,332 --> 00:45:12,168
And then my dad said, that's my daughter.
810
00:45:12,210 --> 00:45:14,212
And all the fans are like, oh really?
811
00:45:14,253 --> 00:45:17,632
And then you know, and then
they had the best time.
812
00:45:17,673 --> 00:45:19,318
- I wonder how dads
look at their daughters
813
00:45:19,342 --> 00:45:20,384
when they do that stuff.
814
00:45:20,426 --> 00:45:22,762
Like, yeah, my daughter
growls now, you know.
815
00:45:22,803 --> 00:45:26,307
- My parents weren't so
happy with my decision
816
00:45:26,349 --> 00:45:30,853
of quitting high school,
because they thought singing
817
00:45:30,895 --> 00:45:35,066
in a band would be a phase,
like many teens go through
818
00:45:35,107 --> 00:45:37,652
different phases and they
thought oh, she might
819
00:45:37,693 --> 00:45:40,404
not be happy with her decision one day,
820
00:45:40,446 --> 00:45:42,823
and parents like to guide you.
821
00:45:42,865 --> 00:45:46,994
And yeah, they were shocked
at first, but supportive.
822
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,956
They came to the shows.
823
00:45:49,997 --> 00:45:53,626
And then through the years they
saw epica became successful,
824
00:45:53,668 --> 00:45:56,879
and that you can make a
living with being in a band
825
00:45:56,921 --> 00:45:58,756
and it's not just
something you do for fun,
826
00:45:58,798 --> 00:46:02,969
but that it's a real profession,
and that there is a way
827
00:46:03,010 --> 00:46:05,513
to sup, yeah support yourself in,
828
00:46:05,554 --> 00:46:09,308
while being a musician in the metal scene.
829
00:46:10,184 --> 00:46:11,644
Fl the steel may Pierce my arm
830
00:46:11,686 --> 00:46:14,188
fl the battle rages on
831
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:18,359
fl through my veins
rushes insidious conflict
832
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:24,073
d if I survive my fate an emptiness awaits
833
00:46:24,115 --> 00:46:28,244
fl leading me hollow and tempted by death
834
00:46:29,787 --> 00:46:32,999
fl oh I will find a way
835
00:46:34,667 --> 00:46:37,795
fl to live another day
836
00:46:40,047 --> 00:46:43,759
fl woah, pray for the sunrise
837
00:46:44,885 --> 00:46:49,724
fl battle of souls burning the sky
838
00:46:49,765 --> 00:46:52,977
fl woah, angel of mercy
839
00:46:55,313 --> 00:46:59,442
fl breathe in the gloom
that clouds my eyes fl
840
00:47:06,282 --> 00:47:10,328
- After forever just
stopped and at the same time
841
00:47:11,287 --> 00:47:14,248
the first economical crisis started.
842
00:47:15,291 --> 00:47:19,253
There was no work for me as
a singer where I had tons
843
00:47:19,295 --> 00:47:21,464
of projects in the summer before,
844
00:47:21,505 --> 00:47:25,092
there was nothing going to happen.
845
00:47:25,134 --> 00:47:26,134
And, um.
846
00:47:28,095 --> 00:47:32,224
Yeah, so I had a lot of time
and I was just you know,
847
00:47:33,976 --> 00:47:38,439
using money I made before
while I had time to work.
848
00:47:38,481 --> 00:47:41,734
Not as a musician but I
didn't want to spend my money
849
00:47:41,776 --> 00:47:44,570
on doing nothing and
feeling sorry for myself.
850
00:47:44,612 --> 00:47:49,033
So I did start revamp,
but I also started working
851
00:47:49,075 --> 00:47:51,911
in a lingerie store
for a couple of months.
852
00:47:51,952 --> 00:47:55,373
- I have done dishes,
but I have done dishes
853
00:47:55,414 --> 00:47:59,627
in the most fancy restaurant
of the Netherlands.
854
00:47:59,668 --> 00:48:02,463
I have done data entry for a year.
855
00:48:05,174 --> 00:48:09,678
- I had a real job up until
like, less than a year ago.
856
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:12,264
I worked, I started working
when I was like 11 years old
857
00:48:12,306 --> 00:48:14,558
actually, but not at like a nine to five.
858
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,143
I started working doing art.
859
00:48:16,185 --> 00:48:17,937
So, I would do commissioned artwork.
860
00:48:17,978 --> 00:48:19,814
Paintings, big murals, stuff like that.
861
00:48:19,855 --> 00:48:23,984
- I was basically pressing
enter and falling asleep.
862
00:48:25,027 --> 00:48:27,905
- I have a job as an it specialist.
863
00:48:29,156 --> 00:48:33,285
I do that four days a week,
and I think it would take
864
00:48:34,829 --> 00:48:38,958
a lot of good luck to earn that
salary from the metal music.
865
00:48:43,504 --> 00:48:45,714
But it's, I've seen different approaches
866
00:48:45,756 --> 00:48:49,176
from musician friends that I have.
867
00:48:49,218 --> 00:48:53,222
You either, you know,
get another kind of job,
868
00:48:53,264 --> 00:48:55,683
or do some other kind of
thing, and you make your money
869
00:48:55,724 --> 00:48:59,437
with it and then you do exactly
what you want with music.
870
00:48:59,478 --> 00:49:01,564
This is what I do.
871
00:49:01,605 --> 00:49:05,025
And you have people that
only want to do music,
872
00:49:05,067 --> 00:49:08,654
so they do what they want, and they teach,
873
00:49:08,696 --> 00:49:13,242
and they maybe do some other
kind of session work and stuff
874
00:49:13,284 --> 00:49:17,121
that is not necessarily
exactly what you want to do.
875
00:49:17,163 --> 00:49:21,292
But then you get your week
full, you pay your bills,
876
00:49:22,793 --> 00:49:23,586
it's all great.
877
00:49:23,627 --> 00:49:26,213
- I started working as a teacher
in two different schools.
878
00:49:26,255 --> 00:49:29,633
It wasn't bad to do I actually
enjoyed it and it was funny
879
00:49:29,675 --> 00:49:33,387
to see during my works there
I started to get some more
880
00:49:33,429 --> 00:49:37,224
work, I got some more
students and was writing
881
00:49:38,434 --> 00:49:41,979
for the first revamp album
so I was busy enough.
882
00:49:42,021 --> 00:49:46,150
It makes you humble, if
you always have just peaks
883
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:49,236
you might just take
things for granted faster.
884
00:49:49,278 --> 00:49:51,113
I've always seen it that way.
885
00:49:51,155 --> 00:49:55,868
If things go bad for a while
well then, that's just it,
886
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:57,179
it's just a matter of how you deal with it
887
00:49:57,203 --> 00:50:00,331
and if you work hard you'll
get back on your feet.
888
00:50:00,372 --> 00:50:02,625
- There's lucky ones that
have reached that level
889
00:50:02,666 --> 00:50:06,337
where they can make money
out of exactly the music
890
00:50:06,378 --> 00:50:09,298
that they want to make, and that's great.
891
00:50:09,340 --> 00:50:12,051
This is something I would like to do.
892
00:50:12,927 --> 00:50:17,056
Fl pull me through this endless night
893
00:50:23,604 --> 00:50:27,399
Fl there's a ghost by the door
894
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,491
fl there's a memory that won't let me go
895
00:50:35,533 --> 00:50:39,954
fl will you please set me free
896
00:50:39,995 --> 00:50:44,124
d from the burden that
won't let me sleep fl
897
00:50:46,835 --> 00:50:48,963
hey everyone, this is marcela
from stream of passion.
898
00:50:49,004 --> 00:50:52,383
I'm doing this video actually
on request of my friend
899
00:50:52,424 --> 00:50:54,760
grace meridan, who wanted
to learn more about
900
00:50:54,802 --> 00:50:56,595
the lax vox technique.
901
00:50:58,097 --> 00:51:01,433
A technique that helps you
relax your vocal chords
902
00:51:01,475 --> 00:51:04,520
and help you sing in a more open way.
903
00:51:06,313 --> 00:51:08,899
And since I thought maybe
some singers out there
904
00:51:08,941 --> 00:51:11,318
could be interested in
it, then I'm just going to
905
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,154
put it on YouTube, and
you can all take a look
906
00:51:14,196 --> 00:51:16,740
and maybe work with this
technique because it's amazing.
907
00:51:16,782 --> 00:51:19,451
I'm a bit of a vocal nerd.
908
00:51:19,493 --> 00:51:22,788
And I really enjoy knowing
how everything works.
909
00:51:22,830 --> 00:51:25,874
And it gives me a lot of
pleasure to have that moment
910
00:51:25,916 --> 00:51:28,002
where you think, like, right.
911
00:51:28,043 --> 00:51:30,588
So when they're, 'cause singing lessons
912
00:51:30,629 --> 00:51:31,964
can be very abstract you know.
913
00:51:32,006 --> 00:51:35,467
They can tell you like,
sing more like to the front
914
00:51:35,509 --> 00:51:37,595
of you know, like sing
more towards your face.
915
00:51:37,636 --> 00:51:40,222
Basically you blow into the tube,
916
00:51:40,264 --> 00:51:43,183
as if you were making an oh sound.
917
00:51:43,225 --> 00:51:45,519
And you blow like this,
and you make bubbles.
918
00:51:51,734 --> 00:51:54,778
When it clicks, when you
figure out how something works
919
00:51:54,820 --> 00:51:57,239
and clicks, and then you
understand it and then you master
920
00:51:57,281 --> 00:52:00,409
it and then you can use
it however you want,
921
00:52:00,451 --> 00:52:03,787
that's such an incredibly nice feeling.
922
00:52:17,968 --> 00:52:20,554
- By teaching others you stay
in touch with vocal technique.
923
00:52:20,596 --> 00:52:22,765
You're very aware of what you are doing
924
00:52:22,806 --> 00:52:25,017
because you want to
explain it to someone else.
925
00:52:25,059 --> 00:52:28,687
I'll do a little example,
just a little singing.
926
00:52:33,067 --> 00:52:34,794
We are
perfectly good in that mic.
927
00:52:34,818 --> 00:52:35,611
- Alright.
928
00:52:35,653 --> 00:52:37,488
You stay in touch with vocal techniques
929
00:52:37,529 --> 00:52:39,490
as they evolve, rapidly.
930
00:52:40,366 --> 00:52:42,951
The difference between
when I started to study
931
00:52:42,993 --> 00:52:45,371
and now is quite big, and that's good
932
00:52:45,412 --> 00:52:48,165
so I'd like to stay in touch with that.
933
00:52:48,207 --> 00:52:51,794
And teaching other people
things I know a lot about,
934
00:52:51,835 --> 00:52:55,964
technique geek as I am, has
always, you know, satisfied me.
935
00:52:58,050 --> 00:53:01,720
If you always sing very
nice and sweet and light,
936
00:53:01,762 --> 00:53:03,430
this is like a head voice sound.
937
00:53:05,015 --> 00:53:06,725
It has a bit of a sweet sound.
938
00:53:06,767 --> 00:53:08,894
So if you want to have a rocky vibe,
939
00:53:08,936 --> 00:53:10,688
you're not going to go for this voice.
940
00:53:11,563 --> 00:53:14,108
Fl you go for that one fl
941
00:53:14,149 --> 00:53:16,443
there's a lot of
different sounds you know,
942
00:53:16,485 --> 00:53:20,030
you can use as an effect,
within the rock sound as well,
943
00:53:20,072 --> 00:53:21,573
or the lighter poppy sound.
944
00:53:26,245 --> 00:53:30,457
You'll hear the R&B singers
do a lot of those things.
945
00:53:30,499 --> 00:53:33,419
You can, you can make
every vocal type really raw
946
00:53:33,460 --> 00:53:37,131
by the way, but you do need
to know what you're doing.
947
00:53:37,172 --> 00:53:39,359
With grunts, you're actually
not using your vocal chords,
948
00:53:39,383 --> 00:53:42,428
or barely, you're using
your false vocal chords.
949
00:53:42,469 --> 00:53:43,749
But just the false vocal chords.
950
00:53:44,388 --> 00:53:48,225
Fl will sound like this fl
951
00:53:48,267 --> 00:53:50,394
a bit raw, rough.
952
00:53:50,436 --> 00:53:54,940
They're bigger, and less
coordinate, coordinated
953
00:53:54,982 --> 00:53:57,067
as the actual vocal chords.
954
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:58,485
And when they vibrate.
955
00:53:59,486 --> 00:54:00,821
That's how it sounds.
956
00:54:02,573 --> 00:54:06,034
I've always focused on
singing as clean as possible.
957
00:54:06,076 --> 00:54:10,122
High, low, lower, even
higher, you know, very soft,
958
00:54:10,164 --> 00:54:11,832
very high but everything always clean
959
00:54:12,708 --> 00:54:14,460
Fl but what's the truth
960
00:54:14,501 --> 00:54:17,421
fl I don't seem angelic
961
00:54:17,463 --> 00:54:20,090
fl seduction's a mind trick
962
00:54:20,132 --> 00:54:23,051
fl and I'm quite a player fl
963
00:54:23,093 --> 00:54:24,928
then I tried to use it
in different genres.
964
00:54:24,970 --> 00:54:28,432
And then I discovered especially
during the live shows,
965
00:54:28,474 --> 00:54:31,852
that this little raw edge was coming off.
966
00:54:33,437 --> 00:54:35,189
Not because I was doing something wrong,
967
00:54:35,230 --> 00:54:38,609
but just because it grew
that way and it felt right.
968
00:54:38,650 --> 00:54:41,403
So I tried to figure out
how do I actually do that.
969
00:54:41,445 --> 00:54:43,173
- I think every musician, if
you're able to do something,
970
00:54:43,197 --> 00:54:44,865
then you kind of want to demonstrate it.
971
00:54:44,907 --> 00:54:48,118
But it doesn't really
fit the music that I make
972
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:49,161
if I'm gonna sound like.
973
00:54:50,329 --> 00:54:53,457
- Grunts are not an unfamiliar element
974
00:54:53,499 --> 00:54:55,709
in this type of music.
975
00:54:55,751 --> 00:54:57,836
I just figured it would
be cool to do it myself,
976
00:54:57,878 --> 00:55:02,007
indeed to emphasize the
versatility that I hope makes me
977
00:55:05,177 --> 00:55:06,929
a little different from you know,
978
00:55:06,970 --> 00:55:10,349
the other singers, female and male.
979
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:13,101
- I will never be such
a great grunter as I am
980
00:55:13,143 --> 00:55:17,272
a more melodic singer, because
that's what I, that's how
981
00:55:20,818 --> 00:55:25,531
I can, you know, tell my,
share my message the best.
982
00:55:25,572 --> 00:55:29,117
- My vocals are pretty
much just pure emotion.
983
00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:31,328
They're, I mean growling
is like very much like
984
00:55:31,370 --> 00:55:33,247
this is the word that I'm saying to you
985
00:55:33,288 --> 00:55:35,207
and this is how I'm saying it to you.
986
00:55:35,249 --> 00:55:37,626
And it's a very very complex
987
00:55:37,668 --> 00:55:40,712
form of vocalization as well, you know.
988
00:55:40,754 --> 00:55:43,006
It's not easier or harder or
whatever than clean singing.
989
00:55:43,048 --> 00:55:44,048
To me they're the same.
990
00:55:44,716 --> 00:55:48,846
Fl as smoke fills the room
soon to pass, heavy gloom
991
00:55:51,056 --> 00:55:53,684
d the wind will whisk away the past
992
00:55:53,725 --> 00:55:55,519
fl a blank page stares at you
993
00:55:55,561 --> 00:55:56,854
fl nothing left
994
00:55:56,895 --> 00:55:57,771
fl where to start
995
00:55:57,813 --> 00:55:59,857
fl a second chance carries expectation fl
996
00:55:59,898 --> 00:56:03,360
I'm having a lot more fun
actually just, just doing growls
997
00:56:03,402 --> 00:56:06,655
because I feel like as a
performer, I'm you know,
998
00:56:06,697 --> 00:56:08,448
able to grow and I'm just starting.
999
00:56:08,490 --> 00:56:12,286
It's so aggressive, it's
so physical, you know.
1000
00:56:12,327 --> 00:56:15,122
I get off stage and I feel like
I just sprinted for an hour
1001
00:56:15,163 --> 00:56:17,499
and it never really felt like that before.
1002
00:56:17,541 --> 00:56:19,626
Like, it always felt like
I was doing a hard workout
1003
00:56:19,668 --> 00:56:21,336
and I was really, you know, involved,
1004
00:56:21,378 --> 00:56:24,381
but now the intensity and
the range of emotions.
1005
00:56:24,423 --> 00:56:26,343
If you scream without
feeling it you can hear it.
1006
00:56:26,383 --> 00:56:29,845
Fl solved by fire
1007
00:56:29,887 --> 00:56:34,057
fl as the pages burn fl
1008
00:56:34,099 --> 00:56:36,268
- every type of singing
whether it's high or low,
1009
00:56:36,310 --> 00:56:39,855
soft, loud, clean or
distorted I understand
1010
00:56:43,525 --> 00:56:47,112
what I need to do to make the sounds.
1011
00:56:49,907 --> 00:56:51,158
Fl make up my mind
1012
00:56:51,199 --> 00:56:55,037
fl fight the demon inside
1013
00:56:55,078 --> 00:56:57,748
fl be the light or the
dark or the safe grey
1014
00:56:57,789 --> 00:56:59,374
fl choose a side fl
1015
00:56:59,416 --> 00:57:04,129
more importantly, I know
how it feels to do it.
1016
00:57:04,171 --> 00:57:07,591
And then of course it's
a big challenge to shift
1017
00:57:14,014 --> 00:57:15,849
Fl but what's the truth
1018
00:57:15,891 --> 00:57:19,102
fl I don't seem angelic fl
1019
00:57:19,144 --> 00:57:21,688
I'm happy it looks effortless on stage,
1020
00:57:21,730 --> 00:57:23,791
that's good to hear because
it doesn't feel that way.
1021
00:57:23,815 --> 00:57:27,694
It's definitely, you know a lot
of okay, now I'm doing this,
1022
00:57:27,736 --> 00:57:29,529
now I'm doing that, my
body needs to do this,
1023
00:57:29,571 --> 00:57:31,073
my body needs to do that.
1024
00:57:31,114 --> 00:57:33,241
Because my body is my machine you know.
1025
00:57:33,283 --> 00:57:34,993
I need to push the right buttons there.
1026
00:57:35,035 --> 00:57:38,080
I wouldn't call it a trick,
but it's a technique, you know,
1027
00:57:38,121 --> 00:57:41,541
yeah you just need to
learn how to master it.
1028
00:57:41,583 --> 00:57:44,920
- It's very very refreshing
and very very cool to be able
1029
00:57:44,962 --> 00:57:47,589
to do a lot of this stuff,
but it's also very important
1030
00:57:47,631 --> 00:57:51,259
to find your own voice and your own thing,
1031
00:57:51,301 --> 00:57:52,636
and I know what my thing is.
1032
00:57:52,678 --> 00:57:55,430
- This is actually sad, but
initially I thought because I
1033
00:57:55,472 --> 00:57:59,184
was a woman, there's no way I'm
tough enough for this genre.
1034
00:57:59,226 --> 00:58:02,229
I thought that I really
needed to be more than I was
1035
00:58:02,270 --> 00:58:06,400
and so I created a voice,
a vocal sound for myself.
1036
00:58:11,279 --> 00:58:14,282
And it actually hurt my voice,
1037
00:58:14,324 --> 00:58:16,576
it wasn't a good thing for me at all.
1038
00:58:16,618 --> 00:58:20,747
- With every type of singing
it really depends on how you're
1039
00:58:22,416 --> 00:58:26,545
built, in here, what type of
singing fits with you most.
1040
00:58:28,505 --> 00:58:31,717
- When I started to play every
night, I couldn't actually
1041
00:58:31,758 --> 00:58:33,093
keep it up, because first of all,
1042
00:58:33,135 --> 00:58:35,012
physically it wasn't possible.
1043
00:58:35,053 --> 00:58:39,391
And then, and then also I was
realizing how the response
1044
00:58:39,433 --> 00:58:42,811
was from people, and I was really noticing
1045
00:58:42,853 --> 00:58:47,065
that being genuine was the best way to go.
1046
00:58:47,107 --> 00:58:48,567
And I learned a lot.
1047
00:58:48,608 --> 00:58:51,737
- Everything that comes
easy will become, you know,
1048
00:58:51,778 --> 00:58:54,948
the voice that you know,
is most natural on you.
1049
00:58:54,990 --> 00:58:58,535
Whether that is singing in
a very high pitched voice
1050
00:58:58,577 --> 00:58:59,369
or growling.
1051
00:58:59,411 --> 00:59:03,248
For me personally, the raw
singing didn't come natural.
1052
00:59:03,290 --> 00:59:05,751
I really had to search for it,
1053
00:59:07,794 --> 00:59:10,589
while the clean singing was easy.
1054
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,052
I just woke up in this
nice little neighborhood
1055
00:59:15,093 --> 00:59:18,472
and now, it's always a fun
thing to find the venue.
1056
00:59:18,513 --> 00:59:21,058
And, the entrance to the venue.
1057
00:59:25,228 --> 00:59:27,272
I think I'll just follow Robert.
1058
00:59:30,192 --> 00:59:31,192
Box, box.
1059
00:59:32,444 --> 00:59:33,695
- Good show.
1060
00:59:33,737 --> 00:59:34,988
Good show
1061
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:39,034
- there are some bands that
just want to like, you know,
1062
00:59:39,076 --> 00:59:40,678
party all night, stay up
all night doing drugs,
1063
00:59:40,702 --> 00:59:42,829
alcohol, people, whatever.
1064
00:59:43,747 --> 00:59:47,167
But there are a lot of
bands that you know,
1065
00:59:47,209 --> 00:59:50,087
really take it very
seriously and they understand
1066
00:59:50,128 --> 00:59:52,672
that if they damage
themselves they can't work.
1067
00:59:52,714 --> 00:59:56,009
- The sex, drugs, and rock
and roll kind of life.
1068
00:59:56,051 --> 00:59:59,763
For real professional
bands, it's impossible.
1069
01:00:00,764 --> 01:00:02,891
It'll kill you in the end.
1070
01:00:06,228 --> 01:00:10,065
What have you been doing,
drooling on the thing?
1071
01:00:10,107 --> 01:00:11,775
- Bleeding!
1072
01:00:11,817 --> 01:00:13,819
- They think that we are
using drugs all day long
1073
01:00:13,860 --> 01:00:17,906
and that we're all on
stage drunk and do our show
1074
01:00:18,949 --> 01:00:23,286
and then go to bed with all
the females of the crowd.
1075
01:00:23,328 --> 01:00:26,706
And that's a thing you cannot get talked
1076
01:00:26,748 --> 01:00:29,334
out of the heads of people.
1077
01:00:29,376 --> 01:00:31,545
- Feeding the fishies, with revamp.
1078
01:00:31,586 --> 01:00:32,586
There you go
1079
01:00:34,381 --> 01:00:36,383
nom nom nom nom.
1080
01:00:36,424 --> 01:00:37,676
Nom nom nom nom nom nom.
1081
01:00:37,717 --> 01:00:39,344
Nom nom nom nom nom.
1082
01:00:40,262 --> 01:00:44,266
- I know for myself I've
never ever used any of it, so.
1083
01:00:44,307 --> 01:00:46,327
Well, alcohol, sure, but
never any of the hard drugs
1084
01:00:46,351 --> 01:00:48,061
or any of that shit.
1085
01:00:48,103 --> 01:00:51,314
And to really stay in shape
and do this work, you can't.
1086
01:00:51,356 --> 01:00:54,526
- If I get hurt or I
get sick, I can't work,
1087
01:00:54,568 --> 01:00:57,154
I can't play my show and
that's what I need to do.
1088
01:00:57,195 --> 01:00:59,447
And like, missing a day of
work as a touring musician
1089
01:00:59,489 --> 01:01:01,992
doesn't mean you're gonna
have like one angry boss.
1090
01:01:02,033 --> 01:01:05,078
It means you're gonna
have like 2000 angry fans.
1091
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,956
- My drug was always
music, always, always.
1092
01:01:07,998 --> 01:01:11,334
I would do anything for that,
and it's my ultimate high.
1093
01:01:11,376 --> 01:01:15,338
- In the band we have a rule,
no drinking before the show.
1094
01:01:15,380 --> 01:01:17,525
Some discipline is in order
as well if you have ambition
1095
01:01:17,549 --> 01:01:21,678
you want to be very aware of
what you're doing on stage.
1096
01:01:22,846 --> 01:01:24,139
- I don't use any drugs.
1097
01:01:24,181 --> 01:01:26,391
The only thing I do is
sometimes drink a beer.
1098
01:01:26,433 --> 01:01:28,685
- I personally don't drink
at all, you know, and that's
1099
01:01:28,727 --> 01:01:32,772
and for me having fun is
hanging out with my friends
1100
01:01:32,814 --> 01:01:35,275
in that city, wherever I am and you know,
1101
01:01:35,317 --> 01:01:37,277
maybe going to like a
cool, vegan restaurant
1102
01:01:37,319 --> 01:01:39,487
or like going to a gym, working out.
1103
01:01:39,529 --> 01:01:42,490
That's what's cool for me on tour.
1104
01:01:42,532 --> 01:01:44,242
That's like how I have fun on tour.
1105
01:01:44,284 --> 01:01:48,038
- What I learned is definitely
that it's not a good idea
1106
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:50,332
to have too many substances.
1107
01:01:52,125 --> 01:01:55,378
All my friends who are
in other bands are people
1108
01:01:55,420 --> 01:01:58,131
who had too much drugs or alcohol.
1109
01:01:58,173 --> 01:02:01,801
Now years later it's
definitely catching up.
1110
01:02:03,428 --> 01:02:05,847
You know do what you
love to do but, you know,
1111
01:02:05,889 --> 01:02:08,099
but don't turn into, you know,
1112
01:02:08,141 --> 01:02:11,519
don't get dependent on some stupid stuff.
1113
01:02:12,479 --> 01:02:14,397
- Amphitheater workout challenge accepted.
1114
01:02:27,244 --> 01:02:30,538
- I've always been a
bit of a sporty person.
1115
01:02:30,580 --> 01:02:34,709
But the older I get, the more
I feel it's really important.
1116
01:02:37,671 --> 01:02:41,132
Not just because of aging but
also because of experience.
1117
01:02:41,174 --> 01:02:45,303
Being in a good shape is
making your condition better
1118
01:02:46,388 --> 01:02:50,517
so you'll fight off all kinds
of viruses and, you know,
1119
01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:54,562
easier 'cause you don't
want to pick up every cold
1120
01:02:54,604 --> 01:02:56,439
that's hanging around you.
1121
01:02:56,481 --> 01:02:59,734
When your energy's down and
when your condition's bad
1122
01:02:59,776 --> 01:03:02,570
you'll be more receptive
for all kinds of diseases.
1123
01:03:02,612 --> 01:03:04,739
- So I've been burned out.
1124
01:03:07,450 --> 01:03:10,954
Not as bad as floor has it,
cause I know her and she had,
1125
01:03:10,996 --> 01:03:15,125
like, a bad bad case, and she
had to also learn from scratch
1126
01:03:16,084 --> 01:03:20,171
again, how it, you know, how
to take care of yourself.
1127
01:03:20,213 --> 01:03:22,841
- Hi, this is floor from revamp.
1128
01:03:23,883 --> 01:03:28,013
I wanted to leave you a, a bit
of a more personal message.
1129
01:03:30,307 --> 01:03:32,183
Looking back, the first symptoms
1130
01:03:32,225 --> 01:03:34,853
were a lot of throat infections.
1131
01:03:36,521 --> 01:03:39,232
Of course, a singer
gets a throat infection.
1132
01:03:39,274 --> 01:03:43,778
I could've had anything else,
but it was always my throat.
1133
01:03:43,820 --> 01:03:46,948
I didn't feel it ever had
anything to do with how I sang
1134
01:03:46,990 --> 01:03:50,160
or with, you know, the fact
that I use my voice a lot.
1135
01:03:50,201 --> 01:03:52,537
That was just, for some
reason, a weak spot.
1136
01:03:52,579 --> 01:03:55,498
Some people say it's because
you keep emotions here.
1137
01:03:55,540 --> 01:03:57,351
When you have too many
emotions you don't deal with,
1138
01:03:57,375 --> 01:03:59,461
this becomes a weak spot.
1139
01:03:59,502 --> 01:04:01,379
Whatever the truth was,
1140
01:04:01,421 --> 01:04:04,632
I kept needing all kinds of
shit to get rid of it again.
1141
01:04:04,674 --> 01:04:08,261
Because, of course, just the
thought of taking it easy
1142
01:04:08,303 --> 01:04:11,139
and heal naturally never occurred to me.
1143
01:04:11,181 --> 01:04:15,310
So that happened but then I
had a, quite a long holiday.
1144
01:04:19,397 --> 01:04:21,566
It was the summertime and I got back to my
1145
01:04:21,608 --> 01:04:24,652
almost normal energy level I thought.
1146
01:04:26,446 --> 01:04:28,114
And we went on tour.
1147
01:04:28,156 --> 01:04:29,866
Everything went well.
1148
01:04:33,078 --> 01:04:35,538
And I think November 2011, no,
1149
01:04:39,709 --> 01:04:44,631
yeah, 2011, I went to the
doctor saying I'm so tired
1150
01:04:44,672 --> 01:04:48,885
all the time and every
time I do a bit too much
1151
01:04:48,927 --> 01:04:52,472
my temperature rises
and I become feverish.
1152
01:04:53,515 --> 01:04:54,557
They checked my blood.
1153
01:04:54,599 --> 01:04:56,309
It was all good.
1154
01:04:56,351 --> 01:04:57,894
That was beginning of November.
1155
01:04:57,936 --> 01:04:59,646
Late November, same thing.
1156
01:04:59,687 --> 01:05:01,773
It kept, it became worse.
1157
01:05:01,815 --> 01:05:03,942
I went back to the doctor,
they did another check,
1158
01:05:03,983 --> 01:05:06,986
couldn't find anything, went back to work.
1159
01:05:07,028 --> 01:05:08,113
Then it was the holidays.
1160
01:05:08,154 --> 01:05:10,407
I had two weeks off in
the beginning of January,
1161
01:05:10,448 --> 01:05:11,950
I felt pretty good again.
1162
01:05:11,991 --> 01:05:13,928
But then I started to work,
and after a little bit,
1163
01:05:13,952 --> 01:05:16,162
I got the symptoms back.
1164
01:05:16,204 --> 01:05:17,163
Super tired.
1165
01:05:17,205 --> 01:05:21,334
High temperature and I started
to get less and less air.
1166
01:05:25,338 --> 01:05:28,591
I had the feeling I was
just not breathing normally.
1167
01:05:28,633 --> 01:05:32,762
And I remember going on a
short little tour with revamp,
1168
01:05:34,931 --> 01:05:39,060
with epica, and I was in
england for the first time
1169
01:05:41,062 --> 01:05:44,232
with them and realized,
I sort of panicked,
1170
01:05:44,274 --> 01:05:45,608
I started to panic about things,
1171
01:05:45,650 --> 01:05:48,445
I couldn't control things anymore.
1172
01:05:51,531 --> 01:05:52,531
Shit, sorry.
1173
01:05:59,873 --> 01:06:02,750
Hell I never talk about it anymore.
1174
01:06:05,503 --> 01:06:06,463
Do you need a minute?
1175
01:06:06,504 --> 01:06:07,630
No, it's okay.
1176
01:06:11,384 --> 01:06:12,886
I'm so angry about it.
1177
01:06:18,349 --> 01:06:20,727
The temperatures kept rising so every time
1178
01:06:20,768 --> 01:06:23,313
I would do something I
would just get a fever.
1179
01:06:23,354 --> 01:06:25,607
But they couldn't find, you
know, anything that could,
1180
01:06:25,648 --> 01:06:29,611
yeah, give a reason, any
physical reason anyway,
1181
01:06:33,490 --> 01:06:38,036
even though all these
symptoms are very physical.
1182
01:06:38,077 --> 01:06:42,081
Looking back, my doctor should've noticed
1183
01:06:42,123 --> 01:06:43,666
all those symptoms.
1184
01:06:43,708 --> 01:06:46,211
He could've done a better job
on me if he would have said
1185
01:06:46,252 --> 01:06:50,381
in November, floor, if I
put one and one together
1186
01:06:50,423 --> 01:06:53,218
and it's two, you've got a burnout.
1187
01:06:54,219 --> 01:06:58,348
So, he just let me kept on
going for a little while longer.
1188
01:06:59,390 --> 01:07:03,520
Which I truly feel caused
more time, more recovery time
1189
01:07:05,813 --> 01:07:10,235
because by the time I stopped
working I was so tired,
1190
01:07:10,276 --> 01:07:12,570
I couldn't think anymore.
1191
01:07:12,612 --> 01:07:14,155
I couldn't like anything anymore.
1192
01:07:14,197 --> 01:07:15,740
I couldn't breathe anymore.
1193
01:07:15,782 --> 01:07:19,118
And I had a constant fever
which makes you dizzy and tired
1194
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:23,414
and terrible feeling, terrible
state you get used to.
1195
01:07:23,456 --> 01:07:25,333
You get used to feeling so miserable.
1196
01:07:32,173 --> 01:07:35,468
- I went to an emergency room
in Italy and got x-rays and
1197
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:39,973
blood tests done to make sure
I wasn't, like, going to die.
1198
01:07:43,518 --> 01:07:47,522
Due to many years of taking antibiotics.
1199
01:07:47,564 --> 01:07:50,692
- I've been singing just
when I was feverish,
1200
01:07:50,733 --> 01:07:53,736
and while I should have rested.
1201
01:07:53,778 --> 01:07:57,156
- I learned now that every little symptom
1202
01:07:59,450 --> 01:08:01,661
you might have is one.
1203
01:08:01,703 --> 01:08:03,621
If you've got pain,
there's something wrong.
1204
01:08:03,663 --> 01:08:07,125
If you get sick, there's something wrong.
1205
01:08:07,166 --> 01:08:09,711
And you need to stop doing work, you know,
1206
01:08:09,752 --> 01:08:13,756
you need to give yourself
some time to recover.
1207
01:08:13,798 --> 01:08:16,217
But we live in an industry,
1208
01:08:16,259 --> 01:08:20,305
we live in a world where
we have to keep on going.
1209
01:08:20,346 --> 01:08:22,890
You know, you'll get
praised by your colleagues.
1210
01:08:22,932 --> 01:08:24,601
Yeah, I'm sick but I'm still here.
1211
01:08:24,642 --> 01:08:26,311
Wow, good work ethics.
1212
01:08:26,352 --> 01:08:27,145
Really?
1213
01:08:27,186 --> 01:08:31,316
No, go home before you infect
anyone else and get better.
1214
01:08:31,357 --> 01:08:33,526
- In the past when I
was on tour, I got sick,
1215
01:08:33,568 --> 01:08:36,112
I just got antibiotics from wherever I was
1216
01:08:36,154 --> 01:08:39,532
from whichever doctor and I
wanted to get better faster
1217
01:08:39,574 --> 01:08:42,243
and in a way it kind of
broke down my immune system.
1218
01:08:42,285 --> 01:08:45,538
- I got into the hospital,
and I got cortisone shots
1219
01:08:45,580 --> 01:08:47,874
in my ass, and it, it's was.
1220
01:08:50,251 --> 01:08:51,961
- It's not bad to be sick.
1221
01:08:52,003 --> 01:08:54,589
It happens and you need to get better.
1222
01:08:54,631 --> 01:08:56,466
You're not gonna get better by avoiding
1223
01:08:56,507 --> 01:08:59,552
or ignoring the fact that you're sick,
1224
01:08:59,594 --> 01:09:02,764
or that they're, you know, minor things.
1225
01:09:02,805 --> 01:09:06,684
And I think if there's one thing I learned
1226
01:09:06,726 --> 01:09:08,061
it's definitely that.
1227
01:09:08,102 --> 01:09:12,231
- When you are the only one
who can't really perform,
1228
01:09:13,358 --> 01:09:16,277
you have to anyway, because there's money,
1229
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:18,172
there's people who bought
tickets, there's people already
1230
01:09:18,196 --> 01:09:20,615
in the car, on the way
to the concert, you know.
1231
01:09:20,657 --> 01:09:22,575
- As a headliner, you
have other bands with you
1232
01:09:22,617 --> 01:09:24,535
who are depending on you,
1233
01:09:24,577 --> 01:09:27,789
and so that puts kind of
a lot of pressure on you.
1234
01:09:27,830 --> 01:09:31,084
- You have to go on, or not, I don't know.
1235
01:09:31,125 --> 01:09:32,125
You know?
1236
01:09:33,503 --> 01:09:35,004
It's a big thing for vocalists.
1237
01:09:35,046 --> 01:09:37,006
- During the American, North America tour
1238
01:09:37,048 --> 01:09:39,926
I was in five different
hospitals who had to take care
1239
01:09:39,967 --> 01:09:43,471
of me, and I didn't know what was wrong.
1240
01:09:43,513 --> 01:09:45,515
It took a while before we found that out.
1241
01:09:45,556 --> 01:09:48,601
So I did another European
tour with sonata arctica.
1242
01:09:48,643 --> 01:09:52,063
I had to go to the hospital
again, and they even did
1243
01:09:52,105 --> 01:09:54,607
one show without me, it was
the last show of the tour.
1244
01:09:54,649 --> 01:09:56,693
I just woke up after being in the hospital
1245
01:09:56,734 --> 01:09:59,445
with no voice and no energy.
1246
01:09:59,487 --> 01:10:01,864
It was in Amsterdam so they
did the show without me.
1247
01:10:01,906 --> 01:10:05,159
I think Tony even sang
the vocals on one song
1248
01:10:05,201 --> 01:10:09,747
as a tour joke, and I
was sick in bed and um.
1249
01:10:09,789 --> 01:10:10,581
- It sucked.
1250
01:10:10,623 --> 01:10:12,768
It was the one time that our
tour manager came into the bus
1251
01:10:12,792 --> 01:10:14,961
and say, delain has just start playing.
1252
01:10:15,002 --> 01:10:18,172
And I was like, no
because I am right here!
1253
01:10:46,868 --> 01:10:49,954
- Why did I get my burn out now?
1254
01:10:49,996 --> 01:10:53,416
Why did I not get
overworked anytime before
1255
01:10:53,458 --> 01:10:56,461
because I've been working
really hard for many years
1256
01:10:56,502 --> 01:10:59,005
and always loving that by the way?
1257
01:10:59,046 --> 01:11:01,883
I even need a certain amount
1258
01:11:01,924 --> 01:11:03,634
of pressure and stress and work.
1259
01:11:03,676 --> 01:11:05,970
- It's all or nothing.
1260
01:11:06,012 --> 01:11:07,698
And when you give it all,
then you're going to have
1261
01:11:07,722 --> 01:11:09,658
to keep giving it all, and
it's going to go faster
1262
01:11:09,682 --> 01:11:12,477
and faster and harder and
harder, and that's what it is.
1263
01:11:12,518 --> 01:11:14,163
And every time I'm like,
I'm going to burn out,
1264
01:11:14,187 --> 01:11:16,939
I'm exhausted, then a
million more things pile up
1265
01:11:16,981 --> 01:11:18,232
that I have to do.
1266
01:11:18,274 --> 01:11:21,569
There's no top to this mountain,
you just keep climbing up.
1267
01:11:21,611 --> 01:11:24,030
- What was different in the
period before the burn out
1268
01:11:24,071 --> 01:11:27,909
was that I started to do a
lot of different kind of jobs.
1269
01:11:27,950 --> 01:11:32,079
I did the management and I
did this and I did that and I
1270
01:11:33,581 --> 01:11:36,667
became a teacher and I wanted
to become a very good teacher.
1271
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:38,687
And I wanted to be a very
good manager and I wanted to
1272
01:11:38,711 --> 01:11:43,633
understand everything about the
finances and do the invoices
1273
01:11:43,674 --> 01:11:45,468
and do everything.
1274
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:50,473
I wanted to do a lot of
things I'm not good at either,
1275
01:11:50,515 --> 01:11:52,809
but just because I felt
that I had to do it,
1276
01:11:52,850 --> 01:11:54,936
no one else could do it better than me.
1277
01:11:54,977 --> 01:11:56,479
I had to do it.
1278
01:11:56,521 --> 01:11:58,898
And I'm a huge perfectionist.
1279
01:12:01,359 --> 01:12:03,069
So, all those things that I was doing
1280
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:05,196
needed to be done perfect.
1281
01:12:05,238 --> 01:12:08,324
And I'm a good singer,
I'm a good song writer,
1282
01:12:08,366 --> 01:12:10,701
I'm a good performer.
1283
01:12:10,743 --> 01:12:12,745
But I'm not a good manager.
1284
01:12:12,787 --> 01:12:15,790
And I'm a good teacher, but
I'm not there to organize
1285
01:12:15,832 --> 01:12:19,544
an entire school, but I
started doing that too.
1286
01:12:19,585 --> 01:12:20,586
I wanted to be involved.
1287
01:12:20,628 --> 01:12:22,564
I wanted to know everything,
understand everything,
1288
01:12:22,588 --> 01:12:26,300
and take over where I
thought it was necessary.
1289
01:12:26,342 --> 01:12:29,887
With so much you know,
grrr, it's not good.
1290
01:12:31,055 --> 01:12:33,724
So if there's one thing I learned is that
1291
01:12:33,766 --> 01:12:35,494
there are a couple of
things I'm really good at
1292
01:12:35,518 --> 01:12:37,287
and there are a couple of
things I'm not good at.
1293
01:12:37,311 --> 01:12:40,231
And I'll focus on the things I'm good at
1294
01:12:40,273 --> 01:12:42,650
and try to let other people do the things
1295
01:12:42,692 --> 01:12:46,821
I'm not good at because
they'll do it better.
1296
01:12:46,863 --> 01:12:49,156
And I'll feel much better.
1297
01:12:49,198 --> 01:12:51,409
It's just a different
perspective and a different way
1298
01:12:51,450 --> 01:12:55,580
of saying like, okay, this
I can do, this I can't.
1299
01:12:56,664 --> 01:12:59,834
That doesn't mean that I
don't do anything I don't like
1300
01:12:59,876 --> 01:13:04,630
or I'm not so good at, but
there's a healthier balance now.
1301
01:13:04,672 --> 01:13:07,508
- If you don't take
proper care of your body,
1302
01:13:07,550 --> 01:13:09,719
and your health in general,
1303
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:14,140
then stuff like that
does happen more often.
1304
01:13:14,181 --> 01:13:17,018
- Very often it's a character thing.
1305
01:13:17,059 --> 01:13:19,270
It's not necessarily what you do.
1306
01:13:19,312 --> 01:13:21,105
It's definitely how you do it.
1307
01:13:21,147 --> 01:13:24,233
And then the amount of things
that you do plus the character
1308
01:13:24,275 --> 01:13:28,404
that comes in that says, yeah
but I want to do it perfect.
1309
01:13:28,446 --> 01:13:30,197
And I'm super loyal to the things I'll do,
1310
01:13:30,239 --> 01:13:32,325
I always finish something.
1311
01:13:32,366 --> 01:13:34,035
There's no such thing as saying
1312
01:13:34,076 --> 01:13:35,953
I'll stop when my body tells me to stop.
1313
01:13:35,995 --> 01:13:38,289
No, I'll stop when it's finished.
1314
01:13:38,331 --> 01:13:41,834
- I don't know if I would be
able to continue at this pace,
1315
01:13:41,876 --> 01:13:43,544
physically for very long
1316
01:13:43,586 --> 01:13:46,130
because it's really intense right now.
1317
01:13:46,172 --> 01:13:47,733
You know, I'm definitely
going to need to slow down
1318
01:13:47,757 --> 01:13:49,967
at some point, probably
right before recording
1319
01:13:50,009 --> 01:13:52,678
the next album, you know,
I'll take a little breather
1320
01:13:54,847 --> 01:13:58,142
- these character things,
they're good, you know.
1321
01:13:58,184 --> 01:13:59,769
It's good to be loyal.
1322
01:13:59,810 --> 01:14:02,396
It's good to be a perfectionist
and to be ambitious.
1323
01:14:02,438 --> 01:14:06,567
It's just you need to learn
where your boundaries are.
1324
01:14:08,069 --> 01:14:10,488
And how to stop in time and just say,
1325
01:14:10,529 --> 01:14:13,950
okay, maybe it's not perfect
but it's good so it's good.
1326
01:14:13,991 --> 01:14:15,576
And then I'm satisfied.
1327
01:14:15,618 --> 01:14:17,036
I can be happy now.
1328
01:14:17,078 --> 01:14:19,705
I can get my energy off of it now.
1329
01:14:19,747 --> 01:14:21,582
And the things I can't do myself,
1330
01:14:21,624 --> 01:14:24,543
I need to do, give it
away to someone else.
1331
01:14:24,585 --> 01:14:26,253
And if the other person screws up,
1332
01:14:26,295 --> 01:14:28,547
then the other person screws up.
1333
01:14:28,589 --> 01:14:29,757
He'll do better next time.
1334
01:14:29,799 --> 01:14:32,009
You can't control it.
1335
01:14:32,051 --> 01:14:33,594
And I make it sound really easy
1336
01:14:33,636 --> 01:14:36,389
but I don't master it at all.
1337
01:14:36,430 --> 01:14:37,264
When something needs to be done
1338
01:14:37,306 --> 01:14:40,309
I'll be the first one to do it.
1339
01:14:40,351 --> 01:14:44,188
It's really annoying and I
really have to let it go.
1340
01:14:44,230 --> 01:14:48,234
- What I do to maintain
my health is first of all,
1341
01:14:48,275 --> 01:14:52,405
also a state of mind, because
being afraid of getting sick
1342
01:14:54,281 --> 01:14:55,741
can make you sick.
1343
01:14:57,034 --> 01:14:59,578
- After the losing my voice
incident, I was extremely
1344
01:14:59,620 --> 01:15:02,623
disciplined and I wouldn't
even have a sip of alcohol.
1345
01:15:02,665 --> 01:15:03,767
But this was only bad for me,
1346
01:15:03,791 --> 01:15:05,626
because I got totally stressed out.
1347
01:15:05,668 --> 01:15:07,545
- Stress level is a big part of it.
1348
01:15:07,586 --> 01:15:11,215
So I find that if I'm
happy, if I'm relaxed,
1349
01:15:12,967 --> 01:15:15,678
I can conquer the world.
1350
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:19,974
And if I'm not, everything
else will fall apart.
1351
01:15:20,016 --> 01:15:23,853
- It is kind of strange because
you want to be rock and roll
1352
01:15:23,894 --> 01:15:26,439
and you want to just go with
the flow and everything, but.
1353
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:30,776
- I think it's a vocalist
thing, because our instrument
1354
01:15:30,818 --> 01:15:34,238
is in our body, so if
we don't maintain that,
1355
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:37,533
then you don't, 'cause you
know, you Polish the guitar,
1356
01:15:37,575 --> 01:15:39,094
you put it in the case,
and it's in the bus.
1357
01:15:39,118 --> 01:15:40,911
You don't, you know, you don't look at it
1358
01:15:40,953 --> 01:15:42,997
anymore until the next show.
1359
01:15:43,039 --> 01:15:45,583
But we do the interviews we
do the talking, and we have
1360
01:15:45,624 --> 01:15:48,252
to sleep, and eat right, and um.
1361
01:15:49,670 --> 01:15:52,757
- This fall, we had a tour
in america with kamelot.
1362
01:15:52,798 --> 01:15:55,968
It was very good that we had
Alissa white gluz with us,
1363
01:15:56,010 --> 01:15:57,612
because she is vegan and she was you know,
1364
01:15:57,636 --> 01:15:59,764
able to direct me to all the good places,
1365
01:15:59,805 --> 01:16:01,348
you know around the venues.
1366
01:16:01,390 --> 01:16:02,892
- I'm always concerned with my health
1367
01:16:02,933 --> 01:16:04,810
because my instrument is my body.
1368
01:16:04,852 --> 01:16:07,021
So, I have to make sure
that I'm sleeping enough,
1369
01:16:07,063 --> 01:16:09,690
eating the right things,
not eating the wrong things,
1370
01:16:09,732 --> 01:16:11,525
staying away from drugs and smoke.
1371
01:16:11,567 --> 01:16:13,110
- This is actually the first time
1372
01:16:13,152 --> 01:16:15,738
where I was very disciplined
about what I ate.
1373
01:16:15,780 --> 01:16:19,283
And also, every time that
we were near a hotel,
1374
01:16:19,325 --> 01:16:22,328
just go to whatever kind of closet that
1375
01:16:22,369 --> 01:16:26,499
they put the gym in you know
and spend some time there.
1376
01:16:28,084 --> 01:16:32,213
And it made a huge, huge
difference for yeah, how I felt,
1377
01:16:33,255 --> 01:16:35,925
and also I feel for how I was singing and.
1378
01:16:35,966 --> 01:16:39,512
- Singing is using your breath
in a very controlled way.
1379
01:16:39,553 --> 01:16:43,140
The breath makes your vocal
cords vibrate in that sound.
1380
01:16:43,182 --> 01:16:44,809
So, you need control of your breath.
1381
01:16:44,850 --> 01:16:48,771
If you're out of shape,
you'll be out of breath.
1382
01:16:48,813 --> 01:16:50,731
You know, you'll sound like a dog
1383
01:16:50,773 --> 01:16:52,293
that's just been running all the time.
1384
01:16:53,442 --> 01:16:54,401
And that's not nice.
1385
01:16:54,443 --> 01:16:57,196
And it also loses the, you know,
1386
01:16:57,238 --> 01:16:59,115
the fine tuning on the singing.
1387
01:16:59,156 --> 01:17:01,200
You can't sing the long notes.
1388
01:17:01,242 --> 01:17:04,495
The really high notes become huh huh.
1389
01:17:04,537 --> 01:17:05,621
You'll need the control.
1390
01:17:05,663 --> 01:17:07,164
- And that's really really important.
1391
01:17:07,206 --> 01:17:11,627
But I'm not super concerned
with losing my voice
1392
01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:13,754
or blowing it out just
because for basically
1393
01:17:13,796 --> 01:17:16,715
the past 10 years, I've
been doing you know,
1394
01:17:16,757 --> 01:17:19,969
many different kinds of growls
like black metal screams
1395
01:17:20,010 --> 01:17:22,888
and death growls and like,
power metal kinda singing
1396
01:17:22,930 --> 01:17:24,181
and operatic singing
1397
01:17:24,223 --> 01:17:26,684
and I haven't lost any
range in the clean v0lce.
1398
01:17:26,725 --> 01:17:28,394
- Yeah, I mean, I go to the gym.
1399
01:17:28,435 --> 01:17:30,104
I run three times a week.
1400
01:17:30,146 --> 01:17:34,275
I do try to take care of my
body and maybe more so than
1401
01:17:36,443 --> 01:17:40,239
if I hadn't been a singer,
especially on tour.
1402
01:17:42,992 --> 01:17:45,327
I, I'm starting to realize
1403
01:17:45,369 --> 01:17:47,580
how much of a difference it makes.
1404
01:17:47,621 --> 01:17:48,807
- On the road it's
difficult, more difficult
1405
01:17:48,831 --> 01:17:51,625
especially when you travel by night liner.
1406
01:17:51,667 --> 01:17:55,796
When you fly a lot and you
have irregular days you know,
1407
01:17:57,173 --> 01:18:01,135
and times, the only thing
you want is to sleep,
1408
01:18:01,177 --> 01:18:04,513
and then, you know, working
out becomes a real, real,
1409
01:18:04,555 --> 01:18:07,933
pain in the ass almost
because you know you have to.
1410
01:18:07,975 --> 01:18:10,895
You'll feel better but you
need to find the balance there.
1411
01:18:10,936 --> 01:18:13,898
- And I think that this
line between being relaxed
1412
01:18:13,939 --> 01:18:17,359
and being kind of, you know
having some discipline,
1413
01:18:17,401 --> 01:18:19,528
it might lie somewhere else for everybody.
1414
01:18:19,570 --> 01:18:21,548
- And don't let your
bandmates tell you you're just
1415
01:18:21,572 --> 01:18:23,991
another instrumentalist, like,
vocalists are special breeds.
1416
01:18:24,033 --> 01:18:25,659
They need more care.
1417
01:18:27,077 --> 01:18:27,870
It's true.
1418
01:18:27,912 --> 01:18:30,706
I would like it to be
different, I would like to be,
1419
01:18:30,748 --> 01:18:32,124
you know, party all night,
1420
01:18:32,166 --> 01:18:35,586
and then the day after,
sing like an angel.
1421
01:18:35,628 --> 01:18:39,298
But I, you know, you can't,
so you have to, you have to,
1422
01:18:39,340 --> 01:18:41,884
that life maintenance and that,
1423
01:18:42,843 --> 01:18:46,680
I think 50 0/0 of being a singer is that.
1424
01:18:51,894 --> 01:18:54,146
- I must admit I don't know what it's like
1425
01:18:54,188 --> 01:18:57,483
to have a regular job or a regular life.
1426
01:18:58,651 --> 01:19:00,319
So I can't compare it.
1427
01:19:00,361 --> 01:19:04,323
I can only tell that like
in any other business,
1428
01:19:05,616 --> 01:19:08,035
nothing happens without a reason.
1429
01:19:08,077 --> 01:19:12,331
Nothing is just pure luck and coincidence.
1430
01:19:12,373 --> 01:19:15,417
So that means that everything that happens
1431
01:19:15,459 --> 01:19:18,587
is driven by some thing or by someone.
1432
01:19:19,505 --> 01:19:22,883
And you'll need a bit of luck and talent.
1433
01:19:23,926 --> 01:19:26,428
You need to be lucky enough to
be there at the right moment,
1434
01:19:26,470 --> 01:19:28,973
at the right place like we
were with after forever.
1435
01:19:29,014 --> 01:19:32,768
- With after forever it took
like five years to be able to
1436
01:19:32,810 --> 01:19:37,356
make a living from it and there
was enough income coming in.
1437
01:19:37,398 --> 01:19:41,443
And with epica it took
like three or four years.
1438
01:19:41,485 --> 01:19:46,282
So what you need in the beginning
it's a lot of investments,
1439
01:19:46,323 --> 01:19:48,742
you need to get all the equipment,
1440
01:19:48,784 --> 01:19:52,913
you need to get whatever
it needs to start a band.
1441
01:19:54,248 --> 01:19:57,293
But once you have everything together
1442
01:19:57,334 --> 01:20:00,462
you can start getting out of the debt.
1443
01:20:03,048 --> 01:20:06,135
- This job, I consider it a
job, some people don't consider
1444
01:20:06,176 --> 01:20:10,723
it a job, I do, I earn my
money with it, so it's my job.
1445
01:20:10,764 --> 01:20:14,977
And you have to, yeah
you have to be careful
1446
01:20:15,019 --> 01:20:19,023
and it's not a very
structured workload you have,
1447
01:20:20,983 --> 01:20:23,861
it's like touring, it's
like it's in blocks
1448
01:20:23,902 --> 01:20:28,032
where you are very busy
and where it's not so busy.
1449
01:20:28,949 --> 01:20:32,202
Yeah, so you have to be aware
of that and your situation
1450
01:20:32,244 --> 01:20:34,788
at home, you should accept
that as well of course,
1451
01:20:34,830 --> 01:20:36,248
so that's very important.
1452
01:20:36,290 --> 01:20:40,419
- We can pay each other a
monthly salary and so just like
1453
01:20:41,837 --> 01:20:44,882
everybody else who has a
normal job, normal job,
1454
01:20:44,923 --> 01:20:47,885
even I say mention it like this now.
1455
01:20:51,180 --> 01:20:53,474
But I see this also of
course as a normal job,
1456
01:20:56,643 --> 01:21:00,773
and so it's just like any
other job but the only big
1457
01:21:02,232 --> 01:21:06,528
difference is we can really
do what we really enjoy doing.
1458
01:21:06,570 --> 01:21:09,114
- What I always say to everybody,
also when I ask I guest
1459
01:21:09,156 --> 01:21:13,869
musicians for example, money
is one thing but you only
1460
01:21:13,911 --> 01:21:16,330
do it, only be a guest
musician on my album
1461
01:21:16,372 --> 01:21:17,956
when you think it's fun.
1462
01:21:17,998 --> 01:21:20,501
If you don't think it's
fun, then don't do it.
1463
01:21:20,542 --> 01:21:23,462
- There are so many people
out there who have a job who
1464
01:21:23,504 --> 01:21:26,715
do not really enjoy their job.
1465
01:21:26,757 --> 01:21:29,510
And that's another point, I
think when you really do what
1466
01:21:29,551 --> 01:21:32,930
you like to do in life, even
though it's very hard in
1467
01:21:32,971 --> 01:21:35,724
the beginning, eventually
there's a big chance
1468
01:21:35,766 --> 01:21:38,102
that it will succeed.
1469
01:21:38,143 --> 01:21:42,272
Because when your intuition
tells you to do something,
1470
01:21:44,024 --> 01:21:48,570
I think for me especially
it's, my intuition is
1471
01:21:48,612 --> 01:21:51,115
most of the time right
and that's why I follow it
1472
01:21:51,156 --> 01:21:53,033
and that's why it brought me already
1473
01:21:53,075 --> 01:21:56,120
so many things that I wished for, so.
1474
01:21:59,289 --> 01:22:01,834
It happened with after forever
and then people said yeah,
1475
01:22:01,875 --> 01:22:05,421
you were lucky, but it
happened also with epica.
1476
01:22:05,462 --> 01:22:07,256
It cannot be luck, just luck anymore.
1477
01:22:07,297 --> 01:22:09,508
- For some reason, there was
a little interest growing
1478
01:22:09,550 --> 01:22:12,970
in metal bands with female singers.
1479
01:22:13,011 --> 01:22:16,807
It was new and there was the
gathering in the Netherlands,
1480
01:22:16,849 --> 01:22:19,601
then there was within
temptation in the Netherlands.
1481
01:22:19,643 --> 01:22:21,812
Within this tiny little country here,
1482
01:22:21,854 --> 01:22:23,981
there was a platform for this music.
1483
01:22:24,022 --> 01:22:25,065
That was luck.
1484
01:22:25,107 --> 01:22:28,902
That had nothing to do with
hard work or with talent.
1485
01:22:28,944 --> 01:22:31,947
But the reason that we did get
it to that level was because
1486
01:22:31,989 --> 01:22:34,825
of hard work, was because
of always being there,
1487
01:22:34,867 --> 01:22:38,745
was because of you know,
the effort put into getting
1488
01:22:38,787 --> 01:22:42,666
the music out there without
the use of Internet,
1489
01:22:42,708 --> 01:22:45,377
'cause you know it wasn't there yet.
1490
01:22:45,419 --> 01:22:47,421
It started to come.
1491
01:22:47,463 --> 01:22:49,381
Having your own website.
1492
01:22:49,423 --> 01:22:51,049
We had a first time with that you know.
1493
01:22:51,091 --> 01:22:55,137
There was MySpace at first,
I don't know even if it still
1494
01:22:55,179 --> 01:22:58,015
exists or if it's big enough
but then, hey, there's MySpace.
1495
01:22:58,056 --> 01:22:59,641
We need to be on MySpace.
1496
01:23:01,059 --> 01:23:01,852
I've never.
1497
01:23:01,894 --> 01:23:04,188
You know, I remember getting
lessons on how to browse
1498
01:23:04,229 --> 01:23:07,107
on Internet when I was already
do on the rock academie,
1499
01:23:07,149 --> 01:23:10,611
I never even had it in high school.
1500
01:23:10,652 --> 01:23:13,071
And then I'm sure, other older artists,
1501
01:23:13,113 --> 01:23:15,991
you know, the whole scene is so changing.
1502
01:23:16,033 --> 01:23:17,993
But before I go to that.
1503
01:23:20,662 --> 01:23:21,872
What do you do?
1504
01:23:23,540 --> 01:23:25,626
For me, I mean, you need
to be good at the things
1505
01:23:25,667 --> 01:23:28,253
you're best in, or the other way around,
1506
01:23:28,295 --> 01:23:29,606
best at the things you're good at.
1507
01:23:29,630 --> 01:23:32,174
So, I trained my voice so much.
1508
01:23:33,759 --> 01:23:35,344
I sang so much.
1509
01:23:35,385 --> 01:23:37,387
I practiced so much.
1510
01:23:37,429 --> 01:23:41,600
And yeah, you have your
little company so you need
1511
01:23:44,853 --> 01:23:48,982
you're one element in a big
circus, big circle of people,
1512
01:23:50,901 --> 01:23:52,653
you need to understand where you are,
1513
01:23:52,694 --> 01:23:53,529
where you want to go to.
1514
01:23:53,570 --> 01:23:56,114
There's no such thing
as a nine to five job.
1515
01:23:56,156 --> 01:24:00,285
There's no such things as
weekends or organized holidays.
1516
01:24:03,288 --> 01:24:05,916
If you want to have a
family life as an artist,
1517
01:24:05,958 --> 01:24:07,834
that's a big challenge.
1518
01:24:09,586 --> 01:24:11,505
When you don't work, there's no money.
1519
01:24:11,547 --> 01:24:13,757
When you get sick, too bad.
1520
01:24:17,094 --> 01:24:21,223
And yeah, sure, you have your
glory moments of you know,
1521
01:24:22,391 --> 01:24:26,353
there are moment of
you know great exposure
1522
01:24:26,395 --> 01:24:29,815
and you're on the stage,
but if you consider a day
1523
01:24:29,856 --> 01:24:33,610
has 24 hours and you'll only
be on stage one and a half hour
1524
01:24:33,652 --> 01:24:36,238
of it, the rest of the time
you're doing other things,
1525
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:39,491
and it's really not just laying around.
1526
01:24:40,659 --> 01:24:44,788
Metal is, not the genre with
the biggest audiences compared
1527
01:24:44,830 --> 01:24:47,874
to a lot of other genres,
so also financially,
1528
01:24:47,916 --> 01:24:49,960
it's not much of a guarantee there.
1529
01:24:50,002 --> 01:24:51,670
It's really more of a dream.
1530
01:24:51,712 --> 01:24:53,755
I mean you can set a dream for yourself,
1531
01:24:53,797 --> 01:24:55,483
I want to become a
professlonal metal smger,
1532
01:24:55,507 --> 01:24:57,509
I think it sounds a bit like a dream
1533
01:24:57,551 --> 01:24:59,595
because it's a very tough industry.
1534
01:24:59,636 --> 01:25:02,389
There is a lot of competition.
1535
01:25:02,431 --> 01:25:04,516
- The scary thing is,
is you can't disappear
1536
01:25:04,558 --> 01:25:06,643
in this industry, especially
when you're growing,
1537
01:25:06,685 --> 01:25:10,522
it's a very vulnerable, it's
a very vulnerable place to be.
1538
01:25:10,564 --> 01:25:12,566
You can't just take a break.
1539
01:25:16,069 --> 01:25:18,572
First you build up your
reputation and your name.
1540
01:25:18,614 --> 01:25:22,034
And then, maybe when you're
30 or at least a decade
1541
01:25:22,075 --> 01:25:25,495
into your career, you start
making enough to survlve.
1542
01:25:25,537 --> 01:25:29,249
Are you guys
ready to rock to death?
1543
01:25:31,752 --> 01:25:34,254
- You need to stay and ride it
1544
01:25:34,296 --> 01:25:36,882
and work it as much as you can.
1545
01:25:38,592 --> 01:25:41,219
Fl rock me while I'm alive
1546
01:25:41,261 --> 01:25:45,390
fl rock till death, rock till death fl
1547
01:25:48,894 --> 01:25:52,689
the thing about it is that
it's a labor of love because
1548
01:25:52,731 --> 01:25:55,776
first of all, this isn't a
job, I absolutely love what I'm
1549
01:25:55,817 --> 01:25:58,278
doing, so you don't mind
working all the time.
1550
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,989
But the thing is you are
working all the time.
1551
01:26:01,031 --> 01:26:02,699
- There is a lot of more hard work
1552
01:26:02,741 --> 01:26:06,161
involved than anyone would ever think.
1553
01:26:06,203 --> 01:26:10,957
And no one, no one is going
to lift one finger for you
1554
01:26:10,999 --> 01:26:15,128
if you haven't done a massive
amount of work on your own.
1555
01:26:18,256 --> 01:26:20,300
There are no free passes.
1556
01:26:21,968 --> 01:26:23,488
- I don't know if it's
a profession at all,
1557
01:26:23,512 --> 01:26:25,263
professional metal singer.
1558
01:26:25,305 --> 01:26:27,099
That coming out of my mouth.
1559
01:26:27,140 --> 01:26:30,936
Becoming a musician, becoming
a bigger band within the genre
1560
01:26:30,977 --> 01:26:32,604
and keep on doing that eventually
1561
01:26:32,646 --> 01:26:35,315
made me the professional metal singer.
1562
01:26:36,858 --> 01:26:40,112
- You know I've done metal
always sort of by my own rules,
1563
01:26:40,153 --> 01:26:41,839
not that there are many
rules in metal anyways.
1564
01:26:41,863 --> 01:26:44,741
But I've always sort of
felt like okay, well,
1565
01:26:44,783 --> 01:26:47,452
I'm just gonna be me, because
I can either be like a crappy
1566
01:26:47,494 --> 01:26:50,747
version of somebody else or I
can be the best version of me.
1567
01:26:50,789 --> 01:26:52,349
So I'm gonna be the best version of me.
1568
01:26:52,374 --> 01:26:55,210
- You are putting yourself out there
1569
01:26:55,252 --> 01:26:58,755
as an example somewhat for people.
1570
01:26:58,797 --> 01:27:02,634
Mostly other girls and younger girls.
1571
01:27:02,676 --> 01:27:06,805
- I have been having a lot of
reactions from mostly girls
1572
01:27:06,847 --> 01:27:10,267
that say wow, the way
you've been singing and your
1573
01:27:10,308 --> 01:27:14,980
performance, and your style
has been very inspiring.
1574
01:27:15,021 --> 01:27:18,525
After I heard you I really
wanted to do something similar.
1575
01:27:18,567 --> 01:27:20,861
It's really amazing to see that happen.
1576
01:27:20,902 --> 01:27:23,905
Like, oh people have been
really picking this up.
1577
01:27:23,947 --> 01:27:25,341
- If I get that kind of
message you know, like
1578
01:27:25,365 --> 01:27:28,660
oh you've been an example
for me, yeah, it's beautiful.
1579
01:27:28,702 --> 01:27:32,831
I mean it's very, very
heartwarming and very rewarding
1580
01:27:35,125 --> 01:27:37,753
when I get messages
like that from you know,
1581
01:27:37,794 --> 01:27:39,713
like people from Mexico.
1582
01:27:39,755 --> 01:27:42,716
I just hope that I can
make those people realize
1583
01:27:42,758 --> 01:27:44,551
that nothing is given,
1584
01:27:45,761 --> 01:27:48,138
and that you have to
work really hard for it.
1585
01:27:48,180 --> 01:27:51,975
- Having a good ass and
a nice front is a plus
1586
01:27:53,894 --> 01:27:58,148
for the male fans, they
like to look at it.
1587
01:27:58,190 --> 01:28:02,486
But for a true music fan,
the music comes first.
1588
01:28:02,527 --> 01:28:06,656
So if your music sucks, the
fans will go away after a while.
1589
01:28:07,616 --> 01:28:10,160
- I think that's what
metal is all about too.
1590
01:28:10,202 --> 01:28:14,414
It's about sweat and work,
and really give it your all,
1591
01:28:14,456 --> 01:28:16,583
and you know, go full out.
1592
01:28:20,212 --> 01:28:22,881
I love that, I love it, it
makes you feel you're alive.
1593
01:29:04,005 --> 01:29:08,426
I have a good connection
to all the female musicians
1594
01:29:08,468 --> 01:29:10,720
out there, or to most of them.
1595
01:29:10,762 --> 01:29:14,307
We are usually really great friends.
1596
01:29:14,349 --> 01:29:18,061
And I always feel I can
call my best friends.
1597
01:29:19,354 --> 01:29:22,315
If there's something, or if
there's a problem, you could
1598
01:29:22,357 --> 01:29:26,486
always call, and get some
good support, good advice.
1599
01:29:28,446 --> 01:29:31,241
Yeah, we do that, actually, a lot.
1600
01:29:39,583 --> 01:29:40,893
- I love 'em all, I like 'em all.
1601
01:29:40,917 --> 01:29:44,004
I've never thought of competition,
1602
01:29:44,045 --> 01:29:46,965
like in the negative sense.
1603
01:29:47,007 --> 01:29:50,051
More like, inspiration or motivation.
1604
01:29:52,971 --> 01:29:57,100
What's the use of trying to
compare yourself to others,
1605
01:29:58,602 --> 01:30:01,271
because you are unique,
you're doing your thing.
1606
01:30:01,313 --> 01:30:03,124
- All the women in this
scene support one another
1607
01:30:03,148 --> 01:30:05,942
and we're happy to see each other do well.
1608
01:30:05,984 --> 01:30:07,624
We're all friends, we back each other up,
1609
01:30:07,652 --> 01:30:09,029
we help each other out.
1610
01:30:09,070 --> 01:30:12,157
- We have room to
flourish and to you know,
1611
01:30:12,198 --> 01:30:14,743
and to nurture new generations.
1612
01:30:23,543 --> 01:30:25,688
- Music can be something that
if you feel a certain way,
1613
01:30:25,712 --> 01:30:28,298
and you listen to music
that says exactly that
1614
01:30:28,340 --> 01:30:31,176
or maybe worse, it can be so
good for the soul, you know.
1615
01:30:31,217 --> 01:30:33,070
- I really, again, see it
as a privilege to be able
1616
01:30:33,094 --> 01:30:37,349
to make metal, and really
be successful in it,
1617
01:30:37,390 --> 01:30:39,476
and also financially successful enough
1618
01:30:39,517 --> 01:30:41,895
to make a good living out of it.
1619
01:30:41,937 --> 01:30:45,732
I don't know if I'd still be
headbanging in the leather
1620
01:30:45,774 --> 01:30:47,233
pants when I'm 65.
1621
01:30:50,236 --> 01:30:52,030
I mean, one can dream.
1622
01:31:01,915 --> 01:31:04,292
You'd make a terrible roadie.
1623
01:31:10,423 --> 01:31:13,468
If you were a woman,
you would never ask it.
1624
01:31:20,725 --> 01:31:22,268
- Am I enlightened?
1625
01:31:30,485 --> 01:31:32,070
- Alright let's cut that out.
1626
01:31:32,112 --> 01:31:33,512
The name of the band is blackguard.
1627
01:31:54,551 --> 01:31:59,305
- I think, yeah we should
probably not put it on the DVD
1628
01:31:59,347 --> 01:32:02,642
in case the authorities get it and yeah.
1629
01:32:04,310 --> 01:32:07,022
Can and will be used against you.
1630
01:33:26,684 --> 01:33:29,062
- Wow man, that's real metal.
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