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有一个晚上
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某一个晚上
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天气很好的时候
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跟着爸爸出海一次钓鱼
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真的是捕鱼
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天气也好
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是那种远洋鱼
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不是
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哪里有远洋的
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那时候只是比sampan大一点而已
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哈哈哈
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我想象台湾那种远洋渔船
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我们这边的渔船那个时代很小的
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只是比sampan大
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Motorboat
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后来就开始是靠风的
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后来就有一个引擎
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引擎大概也是几马力
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不超过10马力 很小的
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那时候近海捕鱼
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近海的沿海捕鱼
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那么我们用的网是那种pukat hanyut
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那种漂网
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放网下去就等几个小时
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看有没有鱼
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要么就收网 我们就收网 这样而已
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我的体验就是到此为止
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到此为止 什么年代
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那个时候我们还小
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还在读小学的时候
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那时候我们出海那一次
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是在五屿岛的外面
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不远的地方
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那么马六甲的渔船也是
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它能够出的地方也不大
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因为靠近马六甲海峡
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一到中线
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中线就是游轮路过的
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所以很多船
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就给那个渔夫拿船撞
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甚至网就完全被拉掉
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对
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很多悲剧
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就很多悲剧的发生
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看不到的
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兴化人他们很多时候
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我们现在看到都是spare part 零件
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实际上
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很多兴化人
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他在做这个零件销售之前
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他们早期涉及的是脚车店
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当然也有一些是当苦力了
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但是在马六甲的就还有渔民
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或是跟渔业有关的这行业
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目前大概可以知道是
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马六甲的兴安人
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是有涉及的行业
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渔业 所以我们可以看到说在马六甲
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1950年之后有出现了这个合作社
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我们叫做兴安渔业合作社
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所以有这样的一个组织出现
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当然这个组织出现
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然后我们看到
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马六甲有渔村
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但是好像没有一个比较集中
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是所有都是兴安人的渔村
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除了马六甲市区的这条马六甲河外
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马六甲的渔民分散在Klebang
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anjung Kling、Umbai
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所以这几个地方
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都有马六甲渔民的所在地
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所以我们可以看到说
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兴安人在马六甲
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他并没有形成一个
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如果是从事渔业的全部都集合在一起
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他是比较零散的
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但是就是有这一批兴安人
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除了在这个脚车行业
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零件行业之外
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他也有从事捕鱼行业
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或是从事跟鱼有关的这些行业
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我知道
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是我父亲那一代
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有几个
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有几个
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我父亲是美俊
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吴美俊
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那时还有很多老一派也过世了
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我知道那时候他们有几个也在那边讲
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就提起这个
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成立这个合作社
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不成立合作社也是麻烦的
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现在人这么多 等下像一盘散沙
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倒霉的时候 有什么事情要找谁
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那些年以前的合作社
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很active
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不是像现在这样
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这边很忙的
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这边收钱
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有财务
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有做帐 做大帐的全部有
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楼下也有
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又有卖门市
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我都来买东西
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那时候我没有在抓鱼的时候
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休息天的时候
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我都有来这边买黑油
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买东西 常常有来买
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那时候人没有增加
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到现在也没有增加
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就是224位罢了
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224位 其实有很多没有参进来
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但是真正参进来不止这个数目
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兴化合作社里面姓吴的社员
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哈哈哈哈哈
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色言呢
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成分也非常高的
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很多很多
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所以好像JP也姓吴
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我也是社员
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因为我爸爸是渔夫
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所以我也继承了他的股份
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好像我父亲也转让给我们这样
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要签转让
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转让给孩子
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然后他有在的时候他签
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我们拿form回去填
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填了他签名这样
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我现在割给我孩子
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就这样子情形
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虽然说捕鱼
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每一个月度有两个季
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一个小流一个大流
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他们就叫流水
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出海捕鱼了
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三五天过后回来
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其他的一个礼拜
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你就是要整理你的渔网这些东西
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船上的东西
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可以来填补一些柴油
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冰块之类的
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那么在下一个月
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下一个半月的时候又再出海捕鱼
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没有 那边渔船一靠岸来讲
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渔货一上来
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他们就标
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头盘就标给那些鱼贩子
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那时渔船
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你看一下他的渔船
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这个还是镶了新粉刷的渔船
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你看旧粉刷的渔船
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是扩头的
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这个比较新粉刷的
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马六甲捕鱼的那个渔网规格
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通常都只能够捕的
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是比较浅海地方的鱼
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所以就是马鲛
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西刀鱼
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这些比较多
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在1956年这件渔夫
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不懂得组织起来
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那也是全马第一个组织
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兴化渔业合作社的一个族群
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执照
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特别的执照
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我们有一个执照
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可以借贷
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可以吸引credit
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可以借贷这样
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这合作社到现在
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这个合作社还保存着
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那个是在1956年就成立
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比我们国家还早成立
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那个时候就是渔民
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大家互相照应
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渔夫你就知道
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他们平时也没有存钱
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出海的时候买粮食
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冰块什么
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就去跟合作社提供赊账的
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赊账提供
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那么你去买回来的渔获
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就由合作社去
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批发卖出去
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那么就扣你那个拿的货品
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这些必需品
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成立时候的目的
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是想把同乡团结起来
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那么有什么困难
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合作社可以帮忙解决
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有什么比如纠纷
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什么东西
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多多少少 小小的纠纷
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或者是可以帮到渔民
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什么东西
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还有就是在
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比如这个经济上面的问题
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合作社也可以出手帮忙这样
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他的目的和宗旨是这样的
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团结渔民
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如果有渔民的话
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他的渔网不见了
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或者是被偷
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或者是被轮船割走或飘走
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那么他要补回这个渔网
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一时间拿很多钱出来买那些渔网的话
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可能是一个负担
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那么唯有的办法就是向合作社赊账
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你是合作社的会员
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你可以向合作社寻求购买这个渔网
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但是以赊账的方式
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就是说每一次渔获回来扣多少钱
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就是这样慢慢扣而已
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这个就是
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所以我们的兴化渔业合作社
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借贷有限合作社
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为什么要加这两个借贷
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就是说渔民有辛苦
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会员有辛苦
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可以向合作社寻求贷款
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合作社是在这个范围里面
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起到了很广泛的作用
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所以合作社来讲
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对于渔民来说是一个保障
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是一个保障
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是一个生活中的小保障
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当初我们渔业合作社还有pasar
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有做头盘的生意
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那时印尼的鱼很多
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那么有头盘的生意还有店面
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下面也是有开
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有卖一点好像渔业的东西
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渔船的东西
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渔网、黑油 什么东西都有
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油石也是有
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渔船所要用到的东西都有
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也包括在兴安会馆对面那个冰厂
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生产冰块给渔业
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给渔船用的
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那时刚成立的时候
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那时也是自己的很多个老前辈
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包括我父亲
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很辛劳的
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每个都是任劳任怨的
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薪水又低
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我听讲几十块钱一个月薪水
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当初的钱大了
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现在钱就小了
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那么渔业合作社的功能主要就是提供
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好像借贷
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因为他们需要很大的冰块还是什么
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保存这个所捕上来的鲜鱼
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因为他们肯定需要捕几天之后才能够回来
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所以他们要保鲜
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所以需要这些大块的冰块
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还有渔船
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万一有损坏
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损失
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他们都需要这个合作社的协助贷款
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还是什么
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这样还有他的渔网
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有时渔网不见掉了
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可能因为割不小心丢掉
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丢失在海上
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所以他们要去购买的时候
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就通过这个渔业合作社来做
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合作社的这份为社员所提供的
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这些服务及工作
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有时缺用渔网
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我们不是跟它拿先
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才来扣账
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我们把鱼收获
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交给我们的兴化渔业合作社
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去售卖的话
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当然不是
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卖鱼不是讲现在马上就售卖
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就好像pasar你讲1kg多少钱
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不是
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因为卖鱼那个渔获
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你拿上岸的时候
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拿到pasar去的时候
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他们必须要竞标
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下标
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你这一堆鱼值得2块钱
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或者是1块8 每个就喊标
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喊了标过后价高者得
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那么我们这些渔民就受惠
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因为可以拿到更好的价格
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那么这个渔获卖了过后
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抽一个8%给合作社作为经费
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合作社就是用这些渔民的收获
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渔获的巴仙率款项
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来维持整个合作社的运作
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要发展马六甲河
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要美化马六甲河
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就把渔船一赶
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赶去海边，红绿灯那边一放
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我就预感
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我讲完了
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这个一弄好渔船回不来了
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真的给我们预算得很准
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他不给你回来了
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但是在赶出之前
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马六甲河
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已经差不多是空荡很多了
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所剩无几
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因为那个时候已经慢慢的那个渔船
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老一辈的退休了过后
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那些渔船有的可以变卖的
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就变卖掉了
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所以就没有那些年轻人来接手这些渔船
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所以变成整个行业来讲
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从那个时候开始就已经走下坡了
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捕鱼的生活
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已经开始慢慢退出了
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马六甲的这个捕鱼的行业
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那么唯一流传下来的
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就是马六甲兴安渔业合作社
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还保留着在pasar有一个摊位
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就是售卖鱼的
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跟印尼鱼商引进这个印尼鱼
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再把鱼批发给这个二盘商
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去售卖这些鱼
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在马六甲河畔
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曾经喧闹的渔业
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已随着时代潮流而消逝
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河船上渔民的吆喝声再也不见踪影
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如今马六甲随着时代前进
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迎来了崭新的篇章
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继续流淌
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拥抱着崭新的使命和历史进程
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这是一座城市
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在变迁中焕发新的魅力
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见证着时代的风起云涌
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我们晃过去
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你看我们在小孩子11、12岁在这边玩耍
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到现在我们70多岁的人
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所以我们
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往事就不堪回首就对了
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想起以前渔民的时候
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真的是很惨
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坦白讲有的起初听我父亲讲
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从中国过来的时候
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船费都没有
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还要还期
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好像我们这边instalment这样子
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这样子来弄
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达到今天 那时人口也不是很多
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到现在目前人活也相当多了
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每个开枝散叶 这样几十年过去了
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我们也一般老了
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