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Mm.
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Mm.
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Oh.
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Oh, that's interesting.
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Tell me more.
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I guess what I'm wondering is--
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I'm Lauren Caspian,
and this is "In the Know."
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Mm.
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I'm Lauren Caspian,
and this is "In the Know."
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You're a fucking god.
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{\an8}The unhoused man looked at me.
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{\an8}He looked me dead in the eyes,
and he said, thank you.
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{\an8}Thank you for recognizing my humanity
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{\an8}when the rest of the world refused.
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{\an8}- The homeless guy said that?
- Mm, with his eyes, yes.
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{\an8}And he's in the studio bathroom right now?
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{\an8}It was the least I could do.
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{\an8}Okay.
Well, have a good show.
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{\an8}Oh, Carl, I'm no hero.
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{\an8}What?
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{\an8}Oh, Carl, I wish I could see
myself the way you see me.
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{\an8}Oh, Carl, Saturday,
Lin-Manuel Miranda's
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{\an8}interviewing himself
at The New Yorker Festival.
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{\an8}Want to be my plus-one?
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{\an8}Uh, I have friends in town Saturday.
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{\an8}Ah.
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{\an8}Well, let's hang out next weekend. then?
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They're here next weekend, too.
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Jeez Louise.
They won't leave you alone.
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I think they're just lonely
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and have a hard time
picking up on social cues.
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I was homeless once.
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Yeah, s-summer of '66,
I lived under a pier
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in Venice Beach with Jim Morrison.
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H-he used to beat the shit out of me.
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Ah, Fabian, guten morgen.
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Don't start with me today, Lauren.
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I was just attacked on the subway.
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Good God.
What happened?
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Some meathead's aftershave
triggered one of my migraines.
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The way this country
treats the neuro-sensitive
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makes me want to firebomb
a Bath & Body Works.
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They're ready to go in five, Lauren.
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Um, do you have the research
for the first guest?
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This just says "straight white woman."
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Tells you everything you need to know.
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Chase, interns are
supposed to get here by 9:00.
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We've talked about this.
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Dude, it's crazy
I even came in.
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Last night this couple
I was banging
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accidentally locked me in their
home sensory-deprivation tank,
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and I was frickin' screaming all night.
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What, they didn't hear you?
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They're both deaf--
Techno accident.
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But they still DJ,
which is inspiring as fuck.
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Good morning, everyone.
Ready to have a great show?
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Ugh, Barb, you know
I can't have management
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hovering over me before interviews.
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The last thing I need is some
corporate fat cat
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purring "money, money, money" in my ear.
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You make twice my salary.
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It's not all about money, Barb.
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Okay, showtime.
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Scrooge McDuck.
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Boomer Witch.
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Mmm.
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Hi, this is Lauren.
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Today we'll be unpacking
the idea of beauty.
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Our first guest began modeling at just 13,
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proving that in fashion,
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child labor doesn't just happen
on the manufacturing side.
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An actress, fashion goddess,
and fellow crazed book-slut,
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Kaia Gerber, welcome to "In the Know."
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Wow, um, thank you.
Thank you for having me.
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Let's talk about
the impossible beauty standards
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- that models put forward.
- Mm.
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I buy most of my clothes
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from a company called
Weak and Wiley,
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which makes a sweater
with a built-in lumbar support.
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- Mm-hmm.
- But I'm constantly turned off
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by how unattainably beautiful
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the male model is in their catalog.
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Do you feel misled? Is that--
Is that what the issue is?
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Well, when I look at the catalog,
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I think, ooh, if I get that fair isle
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with the orthopedic Spanx,
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I'm going to look
like Vadim from the catalog.
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- Mm-hmm.
- But then I go
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to the food co-op,
and I see myself reflected
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in their two-way mirror--
Because there's been
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a lot of shoplifting at
the food co-op, to be honest--
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I look nothing like Vadim.
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I do think it can be misleading.
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I think sometimes
I'll see a photo of myself,
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and I don't even feel
like it looks like me.
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- So imagine that.
- Mm.
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I like to treat my interviews
like a trampoline
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and boing from one subject to another.
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- I'm ready.
- Boing, boing.
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When you used to bring books
to read backstage
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during fashion shows,
people were surprised.
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Now, why do you think that is?
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There's a very common misconception
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about models that we're not intellectual.
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So it doesn't take very much
to impress people.
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I found the same
shadow assumption with me,
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which is they expect me
to be intellectual,
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but they don't expect me to be sensual.
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- Mm.
- And so they're surprised
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when they come to my house
and see my collection
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of erotic didgeridoos.
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Why do you have didgeridoos?
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Because of how erotic they are.
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- Right.
- Boing.
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I'm trying to look younger.
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Do you eat breakfast?
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You know, spring semester
I modeled
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for this flip-flop company,
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where I'd climb in the back
of this guy's SUV,
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and he'd photograph my feet
in different kinds of sandals.
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It's a really exclusive brand.
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They don't have a physical store
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or a catalog or a website--
Just that Lincoln Navigator.
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Do you want to see me
have a full-blown seizure?
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What?
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I'm on the 14-day egg diet.
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This is how James Caan got in shape
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for "Freebie and the Bean."
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Get rid of it.
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Mm.
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Wait for me.
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Wouldn't it be better if,
instead of choosing models
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using the current bizarre criteria,
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which, frankly, means most of them look
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like literal aliens from scary space,
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we just chose people at random
like jury duty.
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I agree. I do think
that's worth exploring.
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It would definitely make it interesting.
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Imagine a hairy old man
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in enormous Balenciaga shoes,
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a female pipe fitter
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who just had dental surgery
smizing in the new Donna Karan.
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- Wouldn't that be refreshing?
- Completely, yes.
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And because I feel like we're in a flow
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where you're agreeing with me,
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would you mind if I rant about
the violence of the male gaze?
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Yeah, I would love to hear it.
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And feel free to periodically chime in
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and say, amen, or, go off, queen,
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whatever feels natural.
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Right, okay.
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Here I go.
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Men don't want these plastic waifs.
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We want a physically dominant
version of ourselves.
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We want a woman
with a big woolly shoulder bag
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and long COVID, who smells
like hummus and coffee
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and has earrings that are
sexy little wind chimes.
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Mm.
Amen.
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We are all fortunate to live in a time--
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What's that one about?
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Oh, a family of scientists
are kidnapped by time pirates.
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It's actually based on a real
theory of special relativity.
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Ooh, that sounds interesting.
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I'm reading another novel about
the widows of Nova Scotia.
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Oh, uh...
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Hey, has there been any progress
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in your husband's murder case?
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Oh, I-I don't want to pester the police.
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They're probably busy
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prepping for the St. Patrick's Day Parade.
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Dale loved parades.
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How did you learn to walk in heels?
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I actually took lessons,
and that is a true story.
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Do you remember the key lesson?
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Yes.
Don't sway your hips.
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That's impossible for me,
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because I have a naturally sassy pelvis.
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So do I, and it proved to be an issue.
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Now, you've said
you don't enjoy getting asked
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basic questions like, "What are
three items in your purse?"
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So I'll ask, Kaia, what have
you done that nobody knows
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that you are most ashamed of?
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And please be uncomfortably specific.
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- Oh, my--
- This is a safe space.
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Safe space.
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Um, the three items in my purse, uh, are--
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Didn't your daughter try
to get an internship here?
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Yeah.
She really loves journalism.
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- And then this dude got it?
- 14...
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Yeah, supposedly his
parents made this big gift
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to NPR after he was put
on academic probation
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at Florida State.
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- That stinks.
- Whoo!
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Oh, Beth understands.
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What's your relationship to showers?
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I love crying in the shower.
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When you don't know what's
tears and what's water,
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that's one of my favorite things.
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It's like peeing in the bath.
You can't tell what's what.
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Okay.
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You know, it's funny
you brought up bathrooms.
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I-I don't normally talk
about my street activism,
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but this morning
I invited an unhoused man
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to use our studio restroom.
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Great.
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- Should I go off?
- Yes, go off.
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Go off who?
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Go off, queen.
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Boing.
Do you like funerals?
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Um...
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No.
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Is there someone
in our restroom right now?
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Mm-hmm.
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Oh, so what did everybody think?
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- Amazing.
- Mm, yeah.
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I'm a bit of a health freak myself.
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Twice a week, I do
water reiki down at the Y.
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Yeah.
Workout classes slap.
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It's not a class.
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It's just something I do
to people in the pool.
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Huh.
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And what did you think
of the interview, Miss Fabian?
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"A tone-deaf duet
by two skeletal narcissists,
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emphasis on the 'cis,' #CancelInTheKnow."
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Did you tweet that
from the official show account?
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Yeah.
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- Great interview, Lauren.
- No, it's a team effort.
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I'm merely the big daddy.
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Oh, I also wanted to let everyone know
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that that homeless gentleman
is still in the bathroom.
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- Oh, Barb.
- Huh?
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That is hate speech.
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He is an unhoused person.
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Actually, the preferred term is
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"person who is currently without housing."
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No, I don't think so.
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- Are you sure?
- Yes.
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Oh, I'm sorry.
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I'm really very empathetic
to the man's situation.
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I volunteer at a homeless shelter--
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Ah, ah, no, you volunteer
at an unhoused shelter.
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A shelter for persons
currently without housing.
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Well, it just feels very clunky.
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Oh, I'm sorry, is it too inconvenient
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to treat vulnerable populations
with respect?
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How dare you?
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I was using the term Inuit
back in the '90s.
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I've been spelling "womyn" with a Y
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since before
I could spell my name.
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Either way, until he leaves,
everyone on the floor
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will have to use
the Starbucks down the street.
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And maybe that will teach us
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about the lack of water closets
in this country.
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May I remind you all
that this is public radio?
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Let us urinate and do
all other washroom "shamefuls"
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in solidarity with our unhoused
brothers and sisters.
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Brothers, sisters, and nonbinary siblings
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- currently without housing.
- God damn it!
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I'm proud of you all.
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We aren't just holding our urine,
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we're holding space for the forgotten
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and supposedly hideous among us.
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We're going to have to find
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a new place to take a leak.
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That Starbucks has bad vibes.
266
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What does that mean?
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They accused
Sandy of stealing an egg.
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Did you steal an egg?
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Sandy?
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The manager said
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- no more public-radio people.
- Great.
272
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There's another Starbucks
eight blocks further down.
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- Go for it.
- No, you go.
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I don't want you getting
another men's UTI.
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Oh.
Thanks, Barb.
276
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I'll get the guy
in the bathroom a sandwich.
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No, Carl, I-I know you're
trying to do what's best,
278
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but we can't presume to know
what this man wants.
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I could ask him.
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Oh, so it's this man's responsibility
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to teach us what persons
currently without housing
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like to eat?
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Do the work, Barb.
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- I could give him money.
- Jesus Chri--
285
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I mean, Barb, what is this
craven obsession with money?
286
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Wow.
287
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And you wonder why you're miserable.
288
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I'm pretty happy, all things considered.
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I'll be back in 15.
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Uh, Carl, I'm sorry, but we
need to tape Sandy's segment
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if we want to stay on schedule.
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- Can you stay?
- Lauren.
293
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It's okay, Barb.
I'll manage.
294
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And that, ladies and gentlemen,
295
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is why Carl and I are best friends.
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Season's greetings, movie mavens.
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It's time for another edition
of "Candid Culture,"
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with me, Sandy Cooter.
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If you need to go, I can cover.
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I'm okay.
301
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It helps if I focus on something else.
302
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Today I'll be sharing my views
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on the Andrew Samberg romp,
"Palm Springs."
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Didn't you tell him
to review more recent movies?
305
00:13:01,573 --> 00:13:04,033
He says he likes to watch
a film once with the sound off
306
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and once with his eyes closed
and then wait two years
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for his ideas to
"simmer like a creole gumbo."
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I-I'm afraid
Mr. Samberg's talents
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are better suited for skits
such as "Dick in a Box,"
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which I loved,
than a major motion picture.
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The mind spins to think what
a talent like Dick Gregory
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could have done with a role like this.
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We miss you, Dick.
We wish you weren't in a box.
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You can't have a serious
conversation about beauty
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without
America's foremost expert.
316
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One of the stars of "Queer Eye,"
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they're a hair guru, a raconteur,
318
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and self-described "Malcolm X
of the gay community."
319
00:14:02,884 --> 00:14:05,678
Jonathan Van Ness,
welcome to "In the Know."
320
00:14:05,762 --> 00:14:10,266
Um, "self-described Malcolm X
of the gay community"?
321
00:14:10,350 --> 00:14:12,350
That's what our researcher Fabian said.
322
00:14:12,394 --> 00:14:13,853
Is that incorrect?
323
00:14:13,937 --> 00:14:15,771
I-I typically go for, like, a diva.
324
00:14:15,855 --> 00:14:17,106
Huh.
325
00:14:17,190 --> 00:14:18,941
Give me, like, a Whitney.
Give me a Taylor.
326
00:14:19,025 --> 00:14:20,610
- Give me a Mariah.
- Mm.
327
00:14:20,694 --> 00:14:21,986
I've just never been described
328
00:14:22,070 --> 00:14:24,196
of a Malcolm X of anything
before, but I'm obsessed.
329
00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,449
Jonathan, what I love
about your show "Queer Eye"
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is that you're taking rightful revenge
331
00:14:28,576 --> 00:14:32,413
against heterosexual society
by erasing straight identities.
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00:14:32,497 --> 00:14:34,547
It's sort of a conversion camp in reverse,
333
00:14:34,624 --> 00:14:37,668
a physically imposing five-person platoon
334
00:14:37,752 --> 00:14:39,302
thunders into the hetero's home
335
00:14:39,379 --> 00:14:41,464
and tells them to change
everything about themselves,
336
00:14:41,548 --> 00:14:44,300
or they'll never be loved, and
I think it's just wonderful.
337
00:14:44,384 --> 00:14:46,844
Yeah, we actually edit out
the boxing matches.
338
00:14:46,928 --> 00:14:48,804
- Mm.
- Like, we actually--we also--
339
00:14:48,888 --> 00:14:50,139
No, we do that.
340
00:14:50,223 --> 00:14:51,766
Like, if they don't conform fast enough,
341
00:14:51,850 --> 00:14:54,644
like, we go off camera, and we
just beat the shit out of them,
342
00:14:54,728 --> 00:14:56,270
- all five of us.
- Mm.
343
00:14:56,354 --> 00:15:00,399
Do you ever show up at one of
these dirty "strogres'" homes,
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00:15:00,483 --> 00:15:03,611
and it's just some dopey pig
with a Bowflex
345
00:15:03,695 --> 00:15:05,363
and a deer head on the wall?
346
00:15:05,447 --> 00:15:07,698
Do you ever think, well, I'm
sorry, but he's beyond saving,
347
00:15:07,782 --> 00:15:10,993
let's just leave this dopey pig
in his filth?
348
00:15:11,077 --> 00:15:14,121
Um, we have never really had,
349
00:15:14,205 --> 00:15:15,998
like, a "dopey"...
350
00:15:16,082 --> 00:15:17,541
Like, no, like, all of them--
351
00:15:17,625 --> 00:15:20,169
I think really everyone at their core
352
00:15:20,253 --> 00:15:22,838
is, like, a sweet, good person.
353
00:15:22,922 --> 00:15:26,008
Mm. And what do you
think about the word "strogre"?
354
00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:27,542
Do you think it can catch on?
355
00:15:27,594 --> 00:15:29,303
It's a slur
I've been workshopping.
356
00:15:29,387 --> 00:15:33,015
It's a combination of the word
"straight" and "ogre."
357
00:15:33,099 --> 00:15:34,558
It's giving me, like,
358
00:15:34,642 --> 00:15:36,936
something that you would tune
a cello with.
359
00:15:37,020 --> 00:15:39,146
- Mm.
- It's not giving me a read.
360
00:15:39,230 --> 00:15:41,148
It's giving me forced.
361
00:15:41,232 --> 00:15:43,109
- And you know JLo just said--
- Who's that?
362
00:15:43,193 --> 00:15:44,819
Jennifer Lopez, obviously.
363
00:15:44,903 --> 00:15:47,363
I'm not familiar.
Is she a victim of wage theft?
364
00:15:47,447 --> 00:15:48,948
Oh, honey.
365
00:15:49,032 --> 00:15:50,682
But she said her third best advice
366
00:15:50,742 --> 00:15:52,702
that she got on this,
like, "Vogue" thing I saw
367
00:15:52,786 --> 00:15:54,086
was, like, don't force it.
368
00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,329
And "strogre" feels forced.
369
00:15:55,413 --> 00:15:58,499
Mm. Thank you for your honest feedback.
370
00:15:58,583 --> 00:16:01,669
It hurts like hell, but I'm
going to bravely power on.
371
00:16:01,753 --> 00:16:04,213
Jonathan, what is your position
372
00:16:04,297 --> 00:16:05,923
on those Rastafarian hats
373
00:16:06,007 --> 00:16:07,675
with the fake dreadlocks attached?
374
00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:10,970
Is that a fashion do or a fashion don't?
375
00:16:11,054 --> 00:16:12,555
Uh...
376
00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:15,057
I tried to mix up my style
a few years ago.
377
00:16:15,141 --> 00:16:16,934
I wore a bolo tie to work.
378
00:16:17,018 --> 00:16:19,145
I immediately regretted it,
but I couldn't take it off
379
00:16:19,229 --> 00:16:21,105
because people would notice I removed it.
380
00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:23,858
It was a kind of hell.
381
00:16:23,942 --> 00:16:26,742
Oh, a woman my age shouldn't
have to worry about style.
382
00:16:26,820 --> 00:16:28,070
I always tell my hairdresser,
383
00:16:28,154 --> 00:16:31,032
just try to make my head look invisible.
384
00:16:31,116 --> 00:16:32,575
I think you look great.
385
00:16:32,659 --> 00:16:33,826
Oh.
386
00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:35,620
Me too.
387
00:16:35,704 --> 00:16:38,748
I'd totally smash--
For real, Barb.
388
00:16:41,001 --> 00:16:42,126
Thank--thank you.
389
00:16:42,210 --> 00:16:43,836
You too, Carl.
390
00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,380
Hey.
391
00:16:47,090 --> 00:16:49,634
I'm going to go check on
the gentleman in the bathroom.
392
00:16:49,718 --> 00:16:51,177
Good idea.
393
00:16:51,261 --> 00:16:54,388
I'm technically dating a het
cis woman also named Lauren,
394
00:16:54,472 --> 00:16:56,432
but we don't have penetrative sex
395
00:16:56,516 --> 00:16:58,267
because I do find it problematic.
396
00:16:58,351 --> 00:17:00,227
- But we do--
- That's called sideways.
397
00:17:00,311 --> 00:17:01,854
What's sideways?
398
00:17:01,938 --> 00:17:03,981
When you, like, don't want
to do penetrative sex
399
00:17:04,065 --> 00:17:05,983
in your booty holes or vaginas.
400
00:17:06,067 --> 00:17:07,276
Well, we do engage
401
00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:09,362
in what I like to call "rough spooning."
402
00:17:09,446 --> 00:17:11,447
And she outweighs me by about 50 pounds,
403
00:17:11,531 --> 00:17:13,115
so we have a pretty complicated
404
00:17:13,199 --> 00:17:14,450
sexual power dynamic.
405
00:17:14,534 --> 00:17:16,744
She throws me around
like a little bag of sand.
406
00:17:16,828 --> 00:17:18,621
I love that.
It's hot.
407
00:17:18,705 --> 00:17:22,124
I like to think of myself
as a sapiosexual.
408
00:17:22,208 --> 00:17:24,085
I'm sexually attracted to ideas.
409
00:17:24,169 --> 00:17:26,170
Do you think that that should be given
410
00:17:26,254 --> 00:17:28,798
more space in the conversation,
411
00:17:28,882 --> 00:17:31,425
specifically ours
that we're having right now?
412
00:17:31,509 --> 00:17:33,052
Yeah, I think people absolutely--
413
00:17:33,136 --> 00:17:34,786
I think that's absolutely a thing.
414
00:17:34,846 --> 00:17:38,474
I once got an erection from
reading Plato's "The Cave."
415
00:17:38,558 --> 00:17:41,353
Do you have a therapist?
416
00:17:45,523 --> 00:17:47,400
Oh, shit, is that a skunk?
417
00:17:47,484 --> 00:17:49,902
You can't look at someone's pet cam
418
00:17:49,986 --> 00:17:52,488
without the consent
of the caregiver and the pet.
419
00:17:52,572 --> 00:17:54,407
That's your pet?
420
00:17:54,491 --> 00:17:56,659
Awesome.
421
00:17:56,743 --> 00:17:58,119
Her name is Bertie.
422
00:17:58,203 --> 00:17:59,996
I rescued her from the streets.
423
00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,373
She was literally eating trash.
424
00:18:02,457 --> 00:18:04,584
She's my chosen family.
425
00:18:04,668 --> 00:18:06,919
Does giving someone's life a makeover
426
00:18:07,003 --> 00:18:09,672
sometimes work against
the goal of self-acceptance.
427
00:18:09,756 --> 00:18:12,216
How do you marry those two together?
428
00:18:12,300 --> 00:18:14,468
Yeah, I think--
That's a good question.
429
00:18:14,552 --> 00:18:17,513
I don't think that those
are, like, binary.
430
00:18:17,597 --> 00:18:20,558
Um, I think that there's ways
for us to, like, explore--
431
00:18:20,642 --> 00:18:21,851
Aah.
432
00:18:21,935 --> 00:18:23,853
Have you lost your
God-fearing Midwestern mind?
433
00:18:23,937 --> 00:18:25,605
I am mid-interview.
434
00:18:25,689 --> 00:18:27,289
I'm sorry, Lauren.
435
00:18:27,315 --> 00:18:29,525
I'm just worried
about our unhoused friend.
436
00:18:29,609 --> 00:18:32,028
He's not responding when I knock.
437
00:18:32,112 --> 00:18:33,529
He--he could be sick.
438
00:18:33,613 --> 00:18:35,573
And I suppose you get
to decide who's sick,
439
00:18:35,657 --> 00:18:36,907
Nurse Ratchet.
440
00:18:36,991 --> 00:18:39,201
Oh, Ken Kesey once showed me
an early draft
441
00:18:39,285 --> 00:18:41,162
of "One Flew
Over the Cuckoo's Nest,"
442
00:18:41,246 --> 00:18:42,538
when it was still called
443
00:18:42,622 --> 00:18:45,791
"Untitled Mental Hospital
Comedy."
444
00:18:48,211 --> 00:18:50,129
My God.
445
00:18:50,213 --> 00:18:53,049
- You called in your goons.
- That's Terry.
446
00:18:53,133 --> 00:18:54,717
He's the maintenance supervisor.
447
00:18:54,801 --> 00:18:57,386
He's got a bathroom key, and he knows CPR.
448
00:18:57,470 --> 00:19:00,306
What's next--the police?
449
00:19:00,390 --> 00:19:03,267
- You want to tear-gas this man?
- Well, no, I--
450
00:19:03,351 --> 00:19:05,811
Why do the police need a tank, Barb?
451
00:19:05,895 --> 00:19:07,521
- Tell me.
- I-I don't know.
452
00:19:07,605 --> 00:19:09,982
Answer her question, Barb.
Why do the police need a tank?
453
00:19:10,066 --> 00:19:11,525
- Answer my question, Barb.
- I don't know.
454
00:19:11,609 --> 00:19:13,159
You want to tear-gas this man?
455
00:19:13,194 --> 00:19:14,111
- Oh, no. No.
- With a tank?
456
00:19:14,195 --> 00:19:15,529
You want a tank full of tear gas?
457
00:19:15,613 --> 00:19:17,114
- No.
- She's foaming at the mouth.
458
00:19:17,198 --> 00:19:18,648
Let me be absolutely clear.
459
00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:21,619
No one will disturb
that precious unhoused man.
460
00:19:21,703 --> 00:19:25,081
And if they do,
I will personally call them out
461
00:19:25,165 --> 00:19:28,417
live on air in front of millions.
462
00:19:28,501 --> 00:19:30,253
We average 30,000 listeners.
463
00:19:30,337 --> 00:19:32,588
We're done here.
464
00:19:32,672 --> 00:19:35,758
Tell me what democracy looks like.
465
00:19:35,842 --> 00:19:38,720
This is what democracy looks like.
466
00:19:41,723 --> 00:19:44,183
...Be a matter of, like,
not accepting yourself.
467
00:19:44,267 --> 00:19:47,019
I think it's really more of
a matter of, like, exploration
468
00:19:47,103 --> 00:19:50,106
and finding what makes
you feel the most embodied.
469
00:19:50,190 --> 00:19:52,275
Mm. I'm sorry.
I missed most of that.
470
00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,610
I was saving a man's life.
471
00:19:54,694 --> 00:19:56,570
- Who--
- Just now?
472
00:19:56,654 --> 00:19:57,780
Yeah.
473
00:19:57,864 --> 00:20:00,491
There's an unhoused man who is currently--
474
00:20:00,575 --> 00:20:02,451
A person who's experiencing homelessness?
475
00:20:02,535 --> 00:20:05,329
- Fucking--
- I mean, that's the least of their--
476
00:20:05,413 --> 00:20:08,708
I have one final question.
477
00:20:08,792 --> 00:20:09,834
Okay.
478
00:20:09,918 --> 00:20:12,378
Is being a body-positivity icon--
479
00:20:12,462 --> 00:20:14,505
Is it a bit like being
a climate-change denier,
480
00:20:14,589 --> 00:20:16,989
in--in that you have to ignore
your problem areas
481
00:20:17,050 --> 00:20:19,802
much like America ignores ours?
482
00:20:19,886 --> 00:20:24,181
No, because I think that
the idea of the problem area
483
00:20:24,265 --> 00:20:25,975
is, like, a figment of our imagination.
484
00:20:26,059 --> 00:20:27,351
Like, there is no such thing.
485
00:20:27,435 --> 00:20:30,271
What if you have
hyperintense localized eczema
486
00:20:30,355 --> 00:20:31,689
on your lower back?
487
00:20:31,773 --> 00:20:35,318
I get it, and you're still
gorgeous and fuckable.
488
00:20:35,402 --> 00:20:37,052
Did you just say
I was fuckable?
489
00:20:37,070 --> 00:20:38,821
Everyone is gorgeous and fuckable.
490
00:20:38,905 --> 00:20:41,324
As long as you're, like,
consenting adults, honey...
491
00:20:41,408 --> 00:20:43,159
You're fuckable.
492
00:20:43,243 --> 00:20:44,702
And that, my dear friend,
493
00:20:44,786 --> 00:20:47,997
is why you're the Malcolm X
of the gay community.
494
00:20:48,081 --> 00:20:49,582
Thank you.
495
00:20:49,666 --> 00:20:51,584
And that is our show.
496
00:20:51,668 --> 00:20:55,212
In conclusion, I'd like to take
a moment of silence.
497
00:20:55,296 --> 00:20:56,672
There are unhoused people
498
00:20:56,756 --> 00:20:59,508
in bathrooms all over this country.
499
00:20:59,592 --> 00:21:02,804
Let's take a pause to listen to them.
500
00:21:04,848 --> 00:21:07,558
Not literal--
Not literally, obviously.
501
00:21:07,642 --> 00:21:09,769
They deserve privacy in the bathroom.
502
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,110
And that, my dear friends,
503
00:21:18,194 --> 00:21:19,403
is the ball game.
504
00:21:19,487 --> 00:21:21,489
Chase, my kombucha, please.
505
00:21:21,573 --> 00:21:24,533
Oh, shit, pretty sure
I gave the last one to Kevin.
506
00:21:24,617 --> 00:21:26,661
- Who's Kevin?
- Dude in the bathroom.
507
00:21:26,745 --> 00:21:28,454
You want some of my power jerky, though?
508
00:21:28,538 --> 00:21:29,664
It's a pork byproduct
509
00:21:29,748 --> 00:21:31,707
dusted with a very gentle
strain of cocaine.
510
00:21:31,791 --> 00:21:35,586
Chase, my post-show
kombucha isn't just a treat.
511
00:21:35,670 --> 00:21:37,672
It's a prescription-strength blend
512
00:21:37,756 --> 00:21:39,840
of yeast and bacteria cultures.
513
00:21:39,924 --> 00:21:41,425
The only cultures you seem to respect.
514
00:21:41,509 --> 00:21:43,177
This is terrible.
515
00:21:43,261 --> 00:21:44,929
Are you okay, Lauren?
516
00:21:45,013 --> 00:21:48,015
My bowels are a delicately
constructed Swiss clock,
517
00:21:48,099 --> 00:21:52,436
and the smallest irregularity
can trigger the end of time.
518
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,772
Everyone out of the way.
I need to get to the bathroom.
519
00:21:54,856 --> 00:21:56,691
The bathroom's occupied, remember?
520
00:21:56,775 --> 00:21:59,485
Good God, the unhoused man.
521
00:21:59,569 --> 00:22:01,487
The person currently without--
522
00:22:01,571 --> 00:22:03,531
I don't have time!
523
00:22:03,615 --> 00:22:06,450
Oh, no.
524
00:22:06,534 --> 00:22:09,621
Oh.
525
00:22:11,539 --> 00:22:13,708
Chase, I'm panicking.
526
00:22:13,792 --> 00:22:16,127
You're going to have
to carry me to the Starbucks.
527
00:22:16,211 --> 00:22:19,046
I-I can't walk and focus
on not going to the restroom
528
00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:20,715
in my pants at the same time.
529
00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:21,716
No way, my guy.
530
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,400
I'm not carrying you eight blocks
531
00:22:23,468 --> 00:22:24,844
while you shit your pants.
532
00:22:24,928 --> 00:22:26,929
You want Terry to ask
the homeless guy to leave?
533
00:22:27,013 --> 00:22:28,264
No, I'm fine.
534
00:22:28,348 --> 00:22:30,641
It's as much his bathroom as it is mine.
535
00:22:40,819 --> 00:22:45,197
Could--could I have the studio, please?
536
00:22:45,281 --> 00:22:46,741
Gross.
537
00:22:46,825 --> 00:22:49,077
God damn it, that's my equipment closet.
538
00:22:51,371 --> 00:22:53,873
I got to walk to the damn Starbucks.
539
00:22:59,462 --> 00:23:01,005
Knock, knock.
540
00:23:01,089 --> 00:23:03,090
Lauren, it's Barb.
541
00:23:03,174 --> 00:23:06,761
I brought you some essentials.
542
00:23:06,845 --> 00:23:09,138
If you need anything else,
I'll be--
543
00:23:09,222 --> 00:23:12,851
Get out of here!
Get out of here!
544
00:23:14,602 --> 00:23:17,063
Oh, good God!
545
00:23:20,025 --> 00:23:22,777
- Room for one more?
- Barb!
546
00:23:38,001 --> 00:23:40,086
I'm reading this fascinating--
547
00:23:40,170 --> 00:23:41,713
Shut up!
548
00:23:45,925 --> 00:23:47,677
Mm.
549
00:23:47,761 --> 00:23:50,263
Ah. Ooh.
550
00:23:50,347 --> 00:23:53,057
Yes, ouch.
551
00:23:53,141 --> 00:23:56,686
Mm, interesting.
552
00:23:56,770 --> 00:23:58,854
Mm, yes.
553
00:23:58,938 --> 00:24:00,606
Lauren!
554
00:24:05,987 --> 00:24:08,365
I hate that guy.
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