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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,900 --> 00:00:11,170 Everybody in that apartment complex was just like, 2 00:00:11,230 --> 00:00:14,160 "Yeah, you can't be here anymore," 3 00:00:14,170 --> 00:00:16,670 so I left. 4 00:00:16,670 --> 00:00:20,670 The truth is that everywhere that I would go... 5 00:00:20,730 --> 00:00:23,660 neighbors who knew me saw what was going on, 6 00:00:23,670 --> 00:00:27,470 but... nobody said anything, 7 00:00:27,470 --> 00:00:30,870 especially when I was living with the Barnetts. 8 00:00:31,700 --> 00:00:33,730 Why? I don't know. 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,930 I wanna know the answers to these questions. 10 00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:43,530 I was a little girl. I was seven years old. 11 00:00:53,270 --> 00:00:55,070 Oh, my gosh! 12 00:01:18,470 --> 00:01:19,970 Oh! 13 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,230 I'm just looking at the house. 14 00:01:30,100 --> 00:01:32,630 It's just like everything is coming back. 15 00:01:33,570 --> 00:01:35,470 Yeah. 16 00:01:35,470 --> 00:01:38,770 Like, I'm just like, my brain is everywhere right now. 17 00:01:38,830 --> 00:01:41,060 - Yeah? And... 18 00:01:43,070 --> 00:01:44,270 Like, just looking at the house, 19 00:01:44,270 --> 00:01:45,870 like, it just reminds me when Kristine 20 00:01:45,870 --> 00:01:47,740 had me walk all the way around the block... 21 00:01:48,170 --> 00:01:49,740 - Hmm. - ... with no shoes. 22 00:01:50,570 --> 00:01:52,070 And my feet were bleeding 23 00:01:52,070 --> 00:01:53,940 by the time I got to the steps. 24 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,370 Wow. 25 00:01:56,370 --> 00:01:58,970 And she... she was mad about it. 26 00:01:59,030 --> 00:02:02,460 I couldn't even go in the house. Like, she had to clean my feet outside. 27 00:02:02,530 --> 00:02:04,960 But she used this brush... 28 00:02:06,170 --> 00:02:08,970 And it hurt. And I told her it did, 29 00:02:09,030 --> 00:02:10,830 but she didn't listen to me. 30 00:02:12,170 --> 00:02:14,870 There's just... there's just so much... 31 00:02:14,870 --> 00:02:16,470 my brain is like everywhere. 32 00:02:16,530 --> 00:02:18,260 It's, like, replaying everything 33 00:02:18,270 --> 00:02:19,640 over and over again. 34 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,370 Well... 35 00:02:22,370 --> 00:02:25,140 I'm sorry about those experiences. 36 00:02:32,670 --> 00:02:34,270 But it's gonna be all right. 37 00:02:34,270 --> 00:02:35,540 - It's gonna be all right. 38 00:02:50,470 --> 00:02:52,370 Even, like, just looking at the front of the house, 39 00:02:52,430 --> 00:02:54,460 I just remembered what happened in there. 40 00:03:03,670 --> 00:03:06,240 It literally feels like a haunted house. 41 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,130 I'm blessed to even be alive. 42 00:03:11,670 --> 00:03:14,770 The time that Kristine made me walk all the way around that block. 43 00:03:14,770 --> 00:03:20,070 She wouldn't even let me get my shoes. 44 00:03:20,130 --> 00:03:24,260 Neighbors were driving by and nobody stopped and said anything. 45 00:03:24,330 --> 00:03:26,430 And nobody even tried to help me. 46 00:03:47,070 --> 00:03:49,070 From Natalia's perspective, 47 00:03:49,130 --> 00:03:51,160 the abuse was, you know, like, in the open. 48 00:03:51,170 --> 00:03:55,240 And, you know, nobody in the neighborhood came to assist her. 49 00:03:57,370 --> 00:03:59,770 When I was with the Barnetts, 50 00:03:59,770 --> 00:04:01,770 I wanted to tell the neighbors 51 00:04:01,830 --> 00:04:03,360 everything that happened to me, 52 00:04:03,430 --> 00:04:06,760 but they knew Kristine and Michael really well. 53 00:04:06,830 --> 00:04:09,360 Like, they were really good friends, I guess. 54 00:04:09,430 --> 00:04:12,760 And... they wouldn't have believed me. 55 00:04:12,770 --> 00:04:15,870 They would've just thought I was just making up a story. 56 00:04:15,870 --> 00:04:19,040 So it was just like I didn't know what else to do. 57 00:04:19,970 --> 00:04:21,340 And... 58 00:04:22,370 --> 00:04:23,670 I was scared. 59 00:04:23,670 --> 00:04:26,570 I was scared if I did say something what would Kristine do. 60 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,370 Gracie was like my best friend. 61 00:04:31,370 --> 00:04:32,970 Natalia came to our house a lot 62 00:04:32,970 --> 00:04:34,470 to play with my daughter, Grace. 63 00:04:34,530 --> 00:04:36,560 For a long time, I thought they were, 64 00:04:36,570 --> 00:04:38,340 like, connected at the hip, and then... 65 00:04:38,700 --> 00:04:40,970 Kristine, she just... 66 00:04:41,030 --> 00:04:42,760 said that Natalia was trying to kill her 67 00:04:42,830 --> 00:04:46,360 and... I... went to Grace 68 00:04:46,370 --> 00:04:50,100 and said, "You know what, we need to find some new friends to play with." 69 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:52,770 'Cause I didn't want to have anything to do with that little girl. 70 00:04:52,770 --> 00:04:55,170 If she was trying to kill Kristine, my friend, 71 00:04:55,170 --> 00:04:57,270 she wasn't welcome in our house. 72 00:04:57,270 --> 00:04:59,670 I don't want her try killing my daughter or me. 73 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,100 Gracie's parents, they were so nice. 74 00:05:04,100 --> 00:05:06,530 But with everything that Kristine said about me, 75 00:05:07,370 --> 00:05:09,170 it changed their minds. 76 00:05:09,170 --> 00:05:11,640 I couldn't even see Gracie anymore. 77 00:05:12,570 --> 00:05:14,470 Nobody stood up for me. 78 00:05:14,470 --> 00:05:16,540 I wanna find out why. 79 00:05:26,370 --> 00:05:28,470 Hi. - Hi. 80 00:05:28,470 --> 00:05:30,870 - How are you? - I'm all right. 81 00:05:30,870 --> 00:05:32,170 Good. 82 00:05:33,100 --> 00:05:34,570 - I don't know if you remember me. - I do. 83 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,670 - You look so good. All pretty. Thank you. 84 00:05:39,670 --> 00:05:42,170 Aw! Wanna sit down? - Sure. 85 00:05:42,170 --> 00:05:44,270 All right. You all right? - Yeah, I'm okay. 86 00:05:44,270 --> 00:05:47,470 Okay. I'm just... I'm gonna leave that right here. 87 00:05:47,530 --> 00:05:49,360 Okay. Yeah, that's perfect. 88 00:05:49,430 --> 00:05:51,860 - Do you remember coming over here and playing and stuff? - I do. 89 00:05:51,870 --> 00:05:52,870 - You do? - Yes. 90 00:05:52,870 --> 00:05:54,470 We had lots of fun. 91 00:05:54,470 --> 00:05:55,870 We really did. 92 00:05:55,930 --> 00:05:58,100 - We went in our playroom and when we... - Yeah. 93 00:05:58,100 --> 00:06:01,570 played down here and colored and did all that kind of stuff. 94 00:06:01,630 --> 00:06:04,260 - Feels like forever ago. - I know. It really was. 95 00:06:04,330 --> 00:06:06,460 But yeah, I mean, it's been a while. 96 00:06:06,470 --> 00:06:08,770 So it's like hard for me to remember what we've done, 97 00:06:08,830 --> 00:06:12,260 - but we did a lot of stuff together. - I know. Yeah. 98 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,130 What exactly did Kristine tell you when she came here? 99 00:06:23,300 --> 00:06:25,100 So she came over, 100 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:27,970 and she was crying when she told me this stuff. 101 00:06:27,970 --> 00:06:29,670 So she was like, 102 00:06:29,730 --> 00:06:34,560 "Um, Natalia was putting thumbtacks on the steps, 103 00:06:34,570 --> 00:06:37,170 so when we walk up the steps, we would step on them." 104 00:06:37,170 --> 00:06:39,570 And I was like, "Okay." And she said, 105 00:06:39,630 --> 00:06:42,260 "Um, hiding knifes in the mattress." I'm like, 106 00:06:42,770 --> 00:06:44,170 "Okay." 107 00:06:44,170 --> 00:06:46,070 And, like, that's what scared me. 108 00:06:46,070 --> 00:06:50,070 And I just sat here in such shock. 109 00:06:50,770 --> 00:06:52,870 So I was like, "What?" 110 00:06:57,700 --> 00:06:59,770 There's so many things that the Barnetts have said 111 00:06:59,830 --> 00:07:02,360 that they've tried to paint me as some crazy person. 112 00:07:02,430 --> 00:07:05,960 And literally I'm a... I'm a kid wanting to play with other kids 113 00:07:05,970 --> 00:07:08,670 and everybody is looking at me as a 22-year-old. 114 00:07:08,670 --> 00:07:11,000 So they're all creeped out... 115 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,730 and thinking I'm trying to be a pedophile to a kid. 116 00:07:14,870 --> 00:07:17,100 I didn't even get a chance to say goodbye to Gracie. 117 00:07:17,100 --> 00:07:19,570 I... it was just like a... like... 118 00:07:19,570 --> 00:07:22,440 scissors going through a piece of paper. It was just cut off. 119 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,870 I didn't know why. 120 00:07:25,930 --> 00:07:27,960 All I knew was I missed my best friend. 121 00:07:27,970 --> 00:07:29,670 I was a kid. 122 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,970 And you didn't think twice about it, 123 00:07:33,970 --> 00:07:36,970 didn't think twice about, you know, the fact like, 124 00:07:37,030 --> 00:07:40,260 "But she looks like a little girl, how are they saying she's an adult?" 125 00:07:40,270 --> 00:07:42,240 You just took their word for it. 126 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,170 Nobody investigated. 127 00:07:45,170 --> 00:07:47,770 Why didn't you ask about... did you ask? 128 00:07:47,830 --> 00:07:50,930 No, I asked them. I didn't ask you. 129 00:07:52,100 --> 00:07:53,870 Why didn't you come to me? 130 00:07:53,930 --> 00:07:56,360 - I should have. - Like, why... 131 00:07:56,370 --> 00:07:59,000 You... I was around all the time, you said that 132 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,270 you didn't see anything. 133 00:08:02,700 --> 00:08:05,170 So why was that so easy to believe? 134 00:08:07,670 --> 00:08:11,140 I... I didn't wanna believe any of it... 135 00:08:12,370 --> 00:08:14,070 but I felt... 136 00:08:14,070 --> 00:08:17,470 like she pushed me to believe it. 137 00:08:18,270 --> 00:08:20,240 That's what she did with a lot of people. 138 00:08:21,170 --> 00:08:23,840 I mean, they are good talkers. 139 00:08:25,100 --> 00:08:27,870 - Trust me, I feel terrible. - Nobody ever asked me. 140 00:08:27,930 --> 00:08:29,360 Nobody ever thought, 141 00:08:29,370 --> 00:08:32,670 "Hey, like, maybe we should get both sides of the story." 142 00:08:32,730 --> 00:08:35,260 Everybody just went with what Kristine and Michael said. 143 00:08:35,330 --> 00:08:37,260 And the fact is that they... 144 00:08:43,470 --> 00:08:45,670 The fact is... 145 00:08:45,670 --> 00:08:48,070 when I got into my apartment in Westfield, 146 00:08:48,070 --> 00:08:50,040 I was on this medicine. 147 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:51,730 And... 148 00:08:55,370 --> 00:08:58,140 she'd pretty much overdosed me. 149 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,670 I— - Did I ever try to hurt Gracie? 150 00:09:08,670 --> 00:09:11,070 - Did I ever try to do anything? - No. 151 00:09:11,130 --> 00:09:13,160 And I... I explained that to them. 152 00:09:13,230 --> 00:09:15,460 I said this was all so hard to believe 153 00:09:15,470 --> 00:09:16,970 because you were always so— 154 00:09:17,030 --> 00:09:19,130 Why did you believe it though? 155 00:09:22,370 --> 00:09:24,340 - Do I look like a murderer to you? No. 156 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,570 Honey, if I knew what was really going on. 157 00:09:27,630 --> 00:09:30,630 I... I should've asked, I would've snatched you up in a heartbeat. 158 00:09:31,300 --> 00:09:32,830 Why didn't you? 159 00:09:34,170 --> 00:09:35,770 I'm not gonna lie. 160 00:09:35,770 --> 00:09:38,670 I think I was kind of scared of her... 161 00:09:43,770 --> 00:09:45,170 and what she could do. 162 00:09:46,770 --> 00:09:48,970 Did you ever think of what she was doing to me? 163 00:09:49,570 --> 00:09:51,640 Unfortunately, no. 164 00:09:53,500 --> 00:09:57,030 I'm very ashamed... of it. 165 00:09:58,500 --> 00:09:59,870 I mean, I am. I... 166 00:09:59,870 --> 00:10:03,240 - I had no reason not to believe her. 167 00:10:03,970 --> 00:10:06,570 Like, she... she manipulated me. 168 00:10:06,570 --> 00:10:09,570 - I mean, I— - She manipulated everybody. 169 00:10:09,570 --> 00:10:12,270 I mean, I'm angry as well, trust me. 170 00:10:12,330 --> 00:10:14,260 Like, seeing... 171 00:10:14,270 --> 00:10:16,570 all of this and you and hearing this, like... I... 172 00:10:16,570 --> 00:10:19,470 I mean, she's a horrible, horrible human being. 173 00:10:19,470 --> 00:10:21,770 Hands down. 174 00:10:22,670 --> 00:10:23,940 Hands down. 175 00:10:28,100 --> 00:10:29,930 I don't want to talk to Kristine again. 176 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,070 Never. 177 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,430 I don't wanna see her again. I didn't even wanna see her in the trial. 178 00:10:37,270 --> 00:10:40,070 But Michael... 179 00:10:40,130 --> 00:10:42,100 reached out and said he wanted to talk, 180 00:10:42,100 --> 00:10:43,730 said he wanted to apologize. 181 00:10:44,470 --> 00:10:47,100 Well, he can try again. 182 00:10:47,100 --> 00:10:50,870 I'm, you know, like, "I'll talk to you. I'll listen to what you gotta say, 183 00:10:50,870 --> 00:10:53,070 but I have a lot of questions." 184 00:10:53,070 --> 00:10:56,440 And I am hoping that this time he will be truthful and answer them. 185 00:10:58,570 --> 00:11:01,470 I've never tried to forget Natalia 186 00:11:01,530 --> 00:11:04,060 as much as I wanna forget it. 187 00:11:04,130 --> 00:11:06,260 One of the five best days of my life 188 00:11:06,330 --> 00:11:09,560 was the day that we adopted Natalia. 189 00:11:10,300 --> 00:11:13,270 As much as I want to block that, 190 00:11:13,330 --> 00:11:15,160 put that in the past, put that away... 191 00:11:16,170 --> 00:11:18,470 it's real. It's still there. 192 00:11:18,530 --> 00:11:19,960 I have very little things 193 00:11:20,030 --> 00:11:22,260 that survived from... from my previous life. 194 00:11:22,330 --> 00:11:25,000 This is actually a cross that was given to Natalia 195 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,170 with... with her middle name, "Grace" on it 196 00:11:27,230 --> 00:11:28,760 right after Natalia came home with us. 197 00:11:28,770 --> 00:11:31,240 It was hanging up on... on the wall of her bedroom. 198 00:11:33,870 --> 00:11:37,570 Natalia, I would like to apologize directly to you 199 00:11:37,570 --> 00:11:39,170 and not the world. 200 00:11:40,170 --> 00:11:42,370 If we ever get a moment where... we can 201 00:11:42,370 --> 00:11:44,070 have a conversation 202 00:11:44,130 --> 00:11:46,330 where we can speak, where we can talk... 203 00:11:47,900 --> 00:11:49,470 you'll get that. 204 00:11:49,470 --> 00:11:51,370 But at the same time, 205 00:11:51,430 --> 00:11:53,860 I'm realistic enough to know... 206 00:11:53,930 --> 00:11:56,230 that from other people's points of view... 207 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,330 I'm probably the devil. 208 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,370 My name is Ken Maxwell. 209 00:12:10,430 --> 00:12:13,260 I have over 30 years of law-enforcement experience, 210 00:12:13,270 --> 00:12:17,000 the vast majority of which was with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. 211 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,970 My last position, I was the assistant special agent in charge 212 00:12:20,030 --> 00:12:21,660 of the counterterrorism branch 213 00:12:21,730 --> 00:12:23,060 in the New York field office. 214 00:12:23,070 --> 00:12:25,570 Following my retirement from the FBI, 215 00:12:25,570 --> 00:12:28,670 with my considerable investigative experience, 216 00:12:28,730 --> 00:12:31,460 the Natalia Grace case... 217 00:12:31,470 --> 00:12:34,070 was more than intriguing to me. 218 00:12:34,070 --> 00:12:37,470 When we first started out, it was a classic whodunnit, 219 00:12:37,470 --> 00:12:39,370 but as we gathered more information, 220 00:12:39,430 --> 00:12:43,060 it has evolved into a how and a why. 221 00:12:43,130 --> 00:12:45,460 Why did all these things take place? 222 00:12:49,170 --> 00:12:52,770 We can't get into Kristine's mind or Michael's mind. 223 00:12:52,830 --> 00:12:54,630 However, based upon... 224 00:12:55,700 --> 00:12:57,570 the evidence we've been able to uncover, 225 00:12:57,570 --> 00:12:59,370 interviews with people, documents, 226 00:12:59,370 --> 00:13:02,000 their own messaging between each other, 227 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,670 it amounts to circumstantial evidence 228 00:13:04,670 --> 00:13:06,170 that gives us a glimpse 229 00:13:06,170 --> 00:13:08,370 into what they were thinking at the time 230 00:13:08,370 --> 00:13:10,470 that helps support 231 00:13:10,530 --> 00:13:13,160 the notion that there was a purposeful plan. 232 00:13:14,270 --> 00:13:16,370 Securing an apartment for Natalia in Lafayette 233 00:13:16,430 --> 00:13:19,460 was the next step of the plan 234 00:13:19,470 --> 00:13:22,270 to get rid of Natalia from the Barnett family... 235 00:13:22,270 --> 00:13:23,470 for good. 236 00:13:23,530 --> 00:13:25,960 Placing Natalia in this apartment in Lafayette 237 00:13:26,030 --> 00:13:28,460 that was totally unsuitable for a disabled person. 238 00:13:28,530 --> 00:13:32,730 Was Kristine exhibiting a depraved indifference for Natalia as a human being? 239 00:13:33,570 --> 00:13:36,470 Or was the hate so strong 240 00:13:36,470 --> 00:13:38,670 that she just didn't care 241 00:13:38,670 --> 00:13:41,170 as to leave somebody in an environment like that 242 00:13:41,170 --> 00:13:45,270 with little or no safety or protection? 243 00:13:45,270 --> 00:13:47,370 Kristine dropped me off at that apartment. 244 00:13:48,470 --> 00:13:50,240 I didn't know how to take care of myself. 245 00:13:50,870 --> 00:13:53,170 I didn't know what to do. 246 00:13:53,170 --> 00:13:56,170 It seems Kristine has one move left... 247 00:13:56,170 --> 00:13:58,100 to try to get rid of Natalia, 248 00:13:58,100 --> 00:13:59,770 but she's not gonna stop there. 249 00:13:59,770 --> 00:14:02,440 She's moving on to Michael next. 250 00:14:05,470 --> 00:14:08,270 A disabled nine-year-old left alone 251 00:14:08,270 --> 00:14:11,970 in a dangerous neighborhood to fend for herself. 252 00:14:12,030 --> 00:14:13,360 This was no accident. 253 00:14:13,370 --> 00:14:15,070 This was intentional. 254 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,570 Natalia was left in harm's way, 255 00:14:18,570 --> 00:14:22,000 in what appears to be Kristine's final move, 256 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,970 to get rid of her for good. 257 00:14:25,030 --> 00:14:27,160 I found out I was moving to Lafayette 258 00:14:27,170 --> 00:14:28,970 once we were already there. 259 00:14:29,030 --> 00:14:31,460 She helped me move in. 260 00:14:31,530 --> 00:14:34,160 And then, once we were done moving in, 261 00:14:34,170 --> 00:14:37,070 I find out that that's where I'm gonna, like, 262 00:14:37,130 --> 00:14:39,000 actually be living... 263 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,470 and they're moving to Canada. 264 00:14:41,470 --> 00:14:43,470 Through the investigation, we find out that she got moved 265 00:14:43,470 --> 00:14:44,670 into the Westfield apartment 266 00:14:44,730 --> 00:14:46,760 and her specialized shoes were taken from her 267 00:14:46,770 --> 00:14:48,100 and her walker. 268 00:14:48,100 --> 00:14:50,870 And here in Lafayette, the same scenario. 269 00:14:50,870 --> 00:14:52,100 She didn't have either one of those things. 270 00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:53,770 She just doesn't have them. 271 00:14:53,770 --> 00:14:55,640 When I show up to this apartment, 272 00:14:56,070 --> 00:14:59,270 I mean... it is not... 273 00:14:59,330 --> 00:15:03,360 catered to a person... that is a little person. 274 00:15:03,370 --> 00:15:06,270 I'm just completely shocked. 275 00:15:06,270 --> 00:15:09,370 There was nobody there to help me get anything from the top shelf 276 00:15:09,370 --> 00:15:11,000 or anything like that. 277 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,070 It was not a easy thing doing it on my own. 278 00:15:14,070 --> 00:15:16,770 But I had to, kind of, adapt to it. 279 00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:19,670 Kristine came maybe twice. 280 00:15:19,670 --> 00:15:21,440 After that, Michael came once. 281 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,870 And, um... 282 00:15:24,930 --> 00:15:27,630 I never saw them again after those three months. 283 00:15:35,570 --> 00:15:36,570 It's okay. 284 00:15:38,670 --> 00:15:39,770 This it? Wow. 285 00:15:39,830 --> 00:15:41,160 Oh, my goodness. 286 00:15:41,170 --> 00:15:42,870 Talk about memories. 287 00:15:42,870 --> 00:15:44,470 For real. 288 00:15:44,470 --> 00:15:46,940 - These stairs were not easy. I know. 289 00:15:52,170 --> 00:15:53,440 Ow! 290 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:56,930 It's okay. 291 00:16:01,570 --> 00:16:03,170 I would have to climb up there, 292 00:16:03,170 --> 00:16:06,000 and then when I would get to the second step, I would just pull the thing. 293 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,070 I had to stand on that step for five minutes 294 00:16:08,130 --> 00:16:09,460 just to unlock the door. 295 00:16:09,470 --> 00:16:11,570 And once I would get it open, 296 00:16:11,570 --> 00:16:14,470 I'd already be tired from standing, trying to open it. 297 00:16:14,470 --> 00:16:15,870 And then I was like... 298 00:16:15,870 --> 00:16:19,100 Twelve steps after walking up these five plus that step. 299 00:16:19,100 --> 00:16:21,170 - And then... If I remember right... - Plus the actual— 300 00:16:21,230 --> 00:16:22,460 there's like a... 301 00:16:22,470 --> 00:16:23,970 flooring when you first go in 302 00:16:23,970 --> 00:16:25,970 then there's 12 steps going up. 303 00:16:25,970 --> 00:16:27,340 Yes. 304 00:16:28,670 --> 00:16:30,740 I couldn't even reach the mailbox. 305 00:16:31,670 --> 00:16:34,040 Yeah, I probably should sit down though. 306 00:16:37,770 --> 00:16:40,940 - Oh, Jeez, okay. You know what? - I got you. 307 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,230 - You wanna sit? - Yeah. 308 00:16:46,470 --> 00:16:50,470 You know, this was like 17 stairs just right here, 309 00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:53,470 so she had to do all this on her own 310 00:16:53,530 --> 00:16:55,660 when she was so much more smaller and... 311 00:16:55,670 --> 00:16:58,270 - Yeah. - ... and less stable. 312 00:16:58,270 --> 00:17:00,370 - You know, she was— 313 00:17:00,430 --> 00:17:02,000 - Jesus, that scared me. Are you for real? 314 00:17:03,870 --> 00:17:05,940 What was that? - Please, tell me that was a firework. 315 00:17:07,870 --> 00:17:09,070 Oh, Jesus. 316 00:17:09,130 --> 00:17:10,030 Not today, Satan. 317 00:17:10,030 --> 00:17:11,460 - That sounded real close. - It sounded like, 318 00:17:11,470 --> 00:17:13,570 not this block, but the next block. 319 00:17:13,570 --> 00:17:16,370 That sounded really loud. 320 00:17:18,670 --> 00:17:20,270 Yeah. 321 00:17:20,270 --> 00:17:22,370 - I was... eight. - Nine and a half? 322 00:17:22,370 --> 00:17:24,070 I was eight. I turned nine 323 00:17:24,130 --> 00:17:25,760 - when I met you guys. - Okay. 324 00:17:25,770 --> 00:17:27,470 - So nine years old... - Yep. 325 00:17:27,470 --> 00:17:30,170 and she was walking through this area herself. 326 00:17:30,230 --> 00:17:31,660 Anything could have happened. 327 00:17:31,670 --> 00:17:33,670 - I thank God it didn't. 328 00:17:33,670 --> 00:17:34,570 Jesus. 329 00:17:34,570 --> 00:17:36,000 - Oh, okay. 330 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,000 I'm ready to go. 331 00:17:38,570 --> 00:17:42,870 Her family just dropped her off in Lafayette and went to Canada. 332 00:17:44,370 --> 00:17:46,470 Who does that? 333 00:17:46,530 --> 00:17:49,360 It makes me angry. It makes me wanna... 334 00:17:49,430 --> 00:17:51,660 just scream at Kristine. 335 00:17:51,670 --> 00:17:54,270 Because why would you do that to her. 336 00:17:54,270 --> 00:17:56,370 Why did Natalia deserve that? 337 00:17:56,370 --> 00:18:01,240 Because... "Kristine, she didn't fit into your agenda?" 338 00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:06,230 I'm at work, I get a phone call from Kristine. 339 00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:11,100 The exact words are... "Michael... 340 00:18:11,100 --> 00:18:13,570 quit your job, call your boss, 341 00:18:13,570 --> 00:18:15,270 you need to come home right now. 342 00:18:15,270 --> 00:18:16,970 We're moving to Canada." 343 00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:18,770 And she hung up. 344 00:18:18,830 --> 00:18:20,360 So I come rushing home. 345 00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:22,270 Kristine... 346 00:18:22,270 --> 00:18:24,570 rents a car, takes the boys, 347 00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:26,360 leaves the country, goes to Canada 348 00:18:26,370 --> 00:18:27,870 to go find a place to live. 349 00:18:27,870 --> 00:18:31,170 And Kristine tells me that, "You have to sell everything we own." 350 00:18:31,170 --> 00:18:33,470 And then I join my family up in Canada. 351 00:18:34,970 --> 00:18:36,670 The steps that Kristine took 352 00:18:36,670 --> 00:18:38,770 with Michael in Canada 353 00:18:38,830 --> 00:18:42,760 are at least indicative of part of her plan possibly, 354 00:18:42,830 --> 00:18:44,660 that she got rid of Natalia, 355 00:18:44,730 --> 00:18:49,260 "Now it's time to rid myself of my husband, Michael." 356 00:18:49,330 --> 00:18:51,160 It culminates into... 357 00:18:51,230 --> 00:18:54,730 she's even gonna alienate his sons against him. 358 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,100 While we were in Canada, 359 00:18:58,100 --> 00:18:59,630 there were fights every day. 360 00:19:01,770 --> 00:19:03,670 I was driving with the family 361 00:19:03,730 --> 00:19:06,760 and Kristine was just screaming and screaming 362 00:19:06,770 --> 00:19:08,670 and yelling and yelling at me. 363 00:19:08,730 --> 00:19:10,660 "You are not helpful! 364 00:19:10,670 --> 00:19:12,470 You are nothing. You are worthless. 365 00:19:12,530 --> 00:19:13,560 You are replaceable. 366 00:19:13,570 --> 00:19:15,270 The book money, it's all mine. 367 00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:16,670 The Hollywood money, it's all mine." 368 00:19:16,670 --> 00:19:18,370 Mentally... 369 00:19:18,370 --> 00:19:21,740 this was my snaping point... 370 00:19:22,570 --> 00:19:24,570 with Kristine. 371 00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:26,960 I tell her, "I've had it. 372 00:19:26,970 --> 00:19:28,940 I'm leaving you." 373 00:19:32,370 --> 00:19:33,870 Anger builds... 374 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,770 "Shut up or I'll kill you." 375 00:19:36,830 --> 00:19:38,730 "Mine, everything is mine. You're worthless!" 376 00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:41,330 "Shut up or I'll kill you." 377 00:19:42,570 --> 00:19:44,570 "You're nothing... mine..." 378 00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:46,530 "Shut up or I'll kill you." 379 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,570 I shouldn't have said it. 380 00:19:50,570 --> 00:19:51,770 Absolutely shouldn't have said it. 381 00:19:54,270 --> 00:19:56,270 Angel voice comes out... 382 00:19:56,330 --> 00:19:59,760 public persona hits the brakes and comes out. 383 00:19:59,830 --> 00:20:02,060 She spins, turns to the boys in the back seat... 384 00:20:02,670 --> 00:20:04,670 "Boys... 385 00:20:04,730 --> 00:20:06,630 Dad's gonna kill all of us. 386 00:20:07,070 --> 00:20:08,470 It's okay. 387 00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:10,770 I'm gonna protect you." 388 00:20:10,770 --> 00:20:13,370 Every day, Kristine would tell them, 389 00:20:13,370 --> 00:20:15,740 "You're dad's dangerous, he's gonna kill you." 390 00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:20,470 Next thing you know, suddenly, my kids are terrorized. 391 00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:23,270 And they sleep with knives next to their bed 392 00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:25,270 because they're afraid of their dad coming to Canada 393 00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:26,970 to kidnap them and kill them. 394 00:20:28,570 --> 00:20:29,970 Kristine went to 395 00:20:30,030 --> 00:20:34,160 a Canadian therapist, a mental health professional 396 00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:36,560 and told her what had occurred, 397 00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:40,460 that Michael was a danger to Kristine and to the boys. 398 00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:42,640 A physical threat to the family. 399 00:20:44,270 --> 00:20:47,670 At this point in time I had moved back to Indiana. 400 00:20:47,730 --> 00:20:49,160 Later I would come to find out 401 00:20:49,770 --> 00:20:52,470 the moment she stopped shouting 402 00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:54,970 and turned into the angelic protector, 403 00:20:56,270 --> 00:20:58,570 she had palmed the cell phone, 404 00:20:58,570 --> 00:21:00,570 she had hit record on it... 405 00:21:00,570 --> 00:21:03,470 She takes the recording, not long thereafter 406 00:21:03,870 --> 00:21:05,270 to the Ontario police. 407 00:21:07,970 --> 00:21:10,640 And tries to convince them that we are in danger. 408 00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:14,470 So this fight that Michael and Kristine had, 409 00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:16,070 and she pulls out her phone and she, 410 00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:19,070 she video tapes threats that Michael was making 411 00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:20,870 in the heat of the moment, 412 00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:22,770 are now living on forever, 413 00:21:22,770 --> 00:21:27,470 that's parallel to Natalia's experience with the pledge incident. 414 00:21:27,470 --> 00:21:31,540 Where Natalia says, "She pulled out her phone and made me do it." 415 00:21:32,100 --> 00:21:34,270 And then use it as evidence. 416 00:21:34,270 --> 00:21:37,270 That she caught me, you know, poisoning her coffee. 417 00:21:37,330 --> 00:21:39,960 So this is Kristine creating a narrative 418 00:21:39,970 --> 00:21:44,270 to her benefit and perhaps to scare Michael. 419 00:21:44,270 --> 00:21:47,070 Then she calls me up to tell me... 420 00:21:47,130 --> 00:21:49,230 This was, like, you have committed a crime 421 00:21:50,170 --> 00:21:51,770 and we're about to lock you up. 422 00:21:55,570 --> 00:22:01,100 Kristine was masterful at understanding a situation 423 00:22:01,100 --> 00:22:03,230 she could exploit immediately 424 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:04,670 on camera. 425 00:22:04,670 --> 00:22:07,270 Kristine got him so upset and they were fighting 426 00:22:07,330 --> 00:22:09,060 that she turned a camera on him 427 00:22:09,070 --> 00:22:10,270 as he was saying, you know, 428 00:22:10,270 --> 00:22:12,070 "I'll kill you. I'll kill you." 429 00:22:12,130 --> 00:22:14,060 And she took it to the police 430 00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:16,970 in order to keep him in the United States. 431 00:22:18,570 --> 00:22:19,970 It's terrible, Michael. 432 00:22:21,070 --> 00:22:24,140 Extremely scary. 433 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,070 Kristine... Kris... 434 00:23:42,700 --> 00:23:44,230 Kris, calm down. 435 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,870 After Michael came back from Canada, 436 00:24:31,870 --> 00:24:33,000 he lived with us. 437 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,670 Michael would have his door closed 438 00:24:34,730 --> 00:24:36,360 and he would be talking to Kristine, 439 00:24:36,370 --> 00:24:39,070 trying to talk to the boys, whatever. 440 00:24:39,070 --> 00:24:41,240 And she would just be screaming at him. 441 00:24:42,170 --> 00:24:45,170 Kristine would scream crazy things at him, 442 00:24:45,170 --> 00:24:49,000 calling him a psycho and calling him an abuser. 443 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,670 She used that incident to tell my kids forever 444 00:24:51,670 --> 00:24:53,770 that I was a wanted man in Canada, 445 00:24:53,770 --> 00:24:56,370 that I couldn't enter the country of Canada, 446 00:24:56,430 --> 00:24:58,930 that I had charges waiting for me in Canada. 447 00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:03,270 It seemed Kristine wanted Michael to be in the US 448 00:25:03,270 --> 00:25:05,470 while she's in Canada with Jacob and the boys. 449 00:25:05,470 --> 00:25:07,470 Now, if that's true, why? 450 00:25:07,530 --> 00:25:10,160 Well, maybe because she wanted Michael to be 451 00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:12,660 the sole parent responsible for Natalia 452 00:25:12,670 --> 00:25:14,570 who at this point is their dependent 453 00:25:14,570 --> 00:25:16,770 and maybe a dependent forever 454 00:25:16,770 --> 00:25:19,070 and if something were to happen to Natalia, 455 00:25:19,070 --> 00:25:20,370 she could just claim ignorance, 456 00:25:20,370 --> 00:25:22,670 like, "I'm in Canada. I'm not even in the country. 457 00:25:22,670 --> 00:25:23,970 It's on Michael." 458 00:25:25,170 --> 00:25:27,270 She even engaged in a conversation at one point 459 00:25:27,330 --> 00:25:28,760 where she wanted Michael 460 00:25:28,830 --> 00:25:32,560 to be the trustee of Natalia's affairs. 461 00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:34,660 We know that from Facebook communications. 462 00:25:34,670 --> 00:25:39,140 Kristine was almost leaving him holding the bag to do all this. 463 00:25:40,970 --> 00:25:43,470 You were asked about personal knowledge 464 00:25:43,470 --> 00:25:48,170 about her being neglected or left in this apartment. 465 00:25:48,170 --> 00:25:52,570 So any... If, if you want to respond as to what Natalia 466 00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:53,960 told you or sent you, 467 00:25:54,030 --> 00:25:55,460 I think that would be appropriate. 468 00:25:55,530 --> 00:26:00,660 So, uh, okay. I have a picture of her looking like she has 469 00:26:00,670 --> 00:26:02,440 bruises all over her face, 470 00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:04,470 her hair is chopped off, 471 00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:06,170 she looks miserable 472 00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:10,030 in an apartment that she and the Mans told me were up a flight of stairs. 473 00:26:11,670 --> 00:26:13,470 This is when she was living alone. 474 00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:17,870 Does anybody know what happened? 475 00:26:17,870 --> 00:26:21,070 So, when you drop a little disabled six-year-old off, 476 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,470 what the hell happened? 477 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,770 Oh. It's horrible. 478 00:26:25,770 --> 00:26:28,670 - She has what looks like... Maybe black eyes. 479 00:26:28,670 --> 00:26:30,070 black eyes and her— 480 00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:31,170 A scrape across her nose. 481 00:26:31,170 --> 00:26:33,970 Scrape across the bridge of her nose. 482 00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:35,730 I mean... 483 00:26:37,070 --> 00:26:38,370 I mean, look at the way she walks. 484 00:26:38,430 --> 00:26:40,460 I mean, she, she could've fallen, you know? 485 00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:43,470 - I mean, who knows. She could've fallen down all those stairs 486 00:26:43,470 --> 00:26:45,070 - that they put her in. She could've fallen... 487 00:26:45,070 --> 00:26:47,970 - She was in a second story apartment. - ... down in the apartment. 488 00:26:47,970 --> 00:26:50,770 So at trial, the main points that we had were, 489 00:26:50,770 --> 00:26:53,570 as a dependent she was in a second floor apartment, 490 00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:55,370 they didn't set her up with any doctors, 491 00:26:55,370 --> 00:26:58,570 they didn't set her up with anyone to assist her 492 00:26:58,630 --> 00:27:03,360 as far as hygiene, cooking, cleaning, clothes. 493 00:27:03,370 --> 00:27:06,470 Michael had a duty to care for her 494 00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:08,070 which he failed to do so 495 00:27:08,130 --> 00:27:12,160 when he abandoned her in Lafayette in a situation 496 00:27:12,170 --> 00:27:14,770 that endangered her life or health. 497 00:27:17,170 --> 00:27:20,070 I remember my power actually being shut off 498 00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:22,270 in Lafayette apartment 499 00:27:22,330 --> 00:27:24,360 for, like, a week and it was in the middle of summer. 500 00:27:24,430 --> 00:27:27,160 Like, it was burning hot. 501 00:27:27,170 --> 00:27:29,770 I remember, like, everything in the fridge went bad, like, 502 00:27:29,770 --> 00:27:32,000 and I couldn't go grocery shopping 503 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,730 and I was scared. 504 00:27:35,470 --> 00:27:36,940 I was really scared. 505 00:27:37,370 --> 00:27:39,170 Like, I could've died. 506 00:27:39,230 --> 00:27:41,460 I grew up way too early. 507 00:27:41,530 --> 00:27:45,360 I've had to learn lessons that I should've learned 508 00:27:45,370 --> 00:27:49,070 when, maybe, like, just now turning 20. 509 00:27:49,130 --> 00:27:51,560 I should be learning those life lessons. 510 00:27:51,570 --> 00:27:55,640 If, literally like, I had to grow up overnight. 511 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,000 Michael being left in Indiana 512 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,370 did do some things, 513 00:28:00,370 --> 00:28:02,370 possibly, even unintentionally. 514 00:28:02,430 --> 00:28:03,460 We have communications 515 00:28:03,530 --> 00:28:05,060 where he's questioning Kristine, 516 00:28:05,070 --> 00:28:07,040 "Why did you shut off the electricity? 517 00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:11,830 There was no air conditioner. 518 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,870 Why did you take her phone?" 519 00:28:15,870 --> 00:28:21,100 If Kristine was trying to set up Michael to take responsibility 520 00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:22,670 or take the fall for anything 521 00:28:22,670 --> 00:28:24,470 that happened to Natalia in Lafayette, 522 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,970 these communications contradict that. 523 00:28:29,670 --> 00:28:32,100 They show her direct knowledge of, 524 00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:34,670 "Why did you, Kristine, shut off her phone? 525 00:28:34,670 --> 00:28:38,870 Why did you not pay the electric bill?" You being Kristine. 526 00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:42,270 So it makes her culpable. 527 00:28:42,270 --> 00:28:44,170 In fact, it infers that Michael was not aware 528 00:28:44,170 --> 00:28:46,570 that Kristine did these things. 529 00:28:46,570 --> 00:28:50,470 Michael checked in on Natalia and became a lifeline for her. 530 00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:53,070 He had her electricity turned back on 531 00:28:53,070 --> 00:28:56,370 and air conditioning installed, he got her food 532 00:28:56,370 --> 00:29:01,670 and basically foiled Kristine's plan. 533 00:29:01,730 --> 00:29:05,000 It was almost a victory for the Barnetts, 534 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,870 but in the end, look at Kristine's failures. 535 00:29:07,930 --> 00:29:10,760 She failed to get Natalia locked up criminally, 536 00:29:10,830 --> 00:29:14,160 she failed to get her committed to a psychiatric facility, 537 00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:17,460 she failed to get Michael to take the fall 538 00:29:17,470 --> 00:29:20,370 and finally the authorities get involved. 539 00:29:20,370 --> 00:29:22,770 When the director of the Adult Learning Center 540 00:29:22,770 --> 00:29:24,670 in Lafayette, Indiana 541 00:29:24,670 --> 00:29:26,470 did what every other adult 542 00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:28,370 in Natalia's life had failed to do, 543 00:29:28,370 --> 00:29:30,140 call the police. 544 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,970 Kristine and Michael were really trying to erase Natalia from their lives. 545 00:29:37,970 --> 00:29:39,970 But once the police were involved, 546 00:29:39,970 --> 00:29:42,670 they launched an investigation in 2013 547 00:29:42,670 --> 00:29:44,470 into who Natalia was. 548 00:29:44,530 --> 00:29:45,460 Where she came from, 549 00:29:45,470 --> 00:29:47,070 how she got to the United States, 550 00:29:47,070 --> 00:29:50,470 and to Indiana and an apartment living by herself. 551 00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:53,570 Now that statement she wrote at the Adult Learning Center 552 00:29:53,570 --> 00:29:56,040 was a biographical sketch given to the police 553 00:29:56,570 --> 00:29:59,270 and in it there were 554 00:29:59,270 --> 00:30:03,470 allegations, which if true, show that this child 555 00:30:03,530 --> 00:30:07,160 was abused long before she was in the Barnett household. 556 00:30:08,970 --> 00:30:12,440 You wrote down the story of your life, right? 557 00:30:13,170 --> 00:30:15,470 Natalia is not unscathed. 558 00:30:15,530 --> 00:30:19,560 We know there were things that she came with to this country. 559 00:30:19,570 --> 00:30:23,270 As an investigator, really difficult to really know 560 00:30:23,330 --> 00:30:26,660 what the... the whole story about what happened to her, 561 00:30:26,670 --> 00:30:28,470 as a baby, as a child. 562 00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:31,840 This is September 11th of 2013 563 00:30:32,670 --> 00:30:35,970 and it said, "I was born in Ukraine 564 00:30:36,030 --> 00:30:37,360 but, but I do not remember much. 565 00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:39,470 So I don't know my real parents 566 00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:40,770 and I was in an orphanage 567 00:30:40,830 --> 00:30:43,160 so I only remember the bad stuff. 568 00:30:43,230 --> 00:30:45,660 And then I got a shot, which made me pass out 569 00:30:45,730 --> 00:30:48,760 and then when I woke up, I was in a baby orphanage. 570 00:30:48,770 --> 00:30:53,040 And I saw a guy put something on my face, like, a towel or something..." 571 00:30:59,170 --> 00:31:00,340 Yikes... 572 00:31:01,370 --> 00:31:03,370 I actually forgot I wrote this. 573 00:31:08,170 --> 00:31:11,270 This is when everything started to turn for you. 574 00:31:11,330 --> 00:31:13,860 - Things just kinda changed. - This was— I wrote this 575 00:31:13,870 --> 00:31:16,870 and then they took me to the police station. 576 00:31:16,930 --> 00:31:19,560 And you're now at Lafayette and there's no... 577 00:31:19,570 --> 00:31:21,670 You've been cut off, basically. 578 00:31:21,730 --> 00:31:24,460 Pretty much. Thankfully, I had my parents. 579 00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:27,270 You had this whole new door that opened up. 580 00:31:27,330 --> 00:31:29,360 Mmm. With the Mans family. 581 00:31:29,370 --> 00:31:31,370 I don't know. It's just, like, I felt safe 582 00:31:31,370 --> 00:31:32,670 when I met my parents. 583 00:31:32,670 --> 00:31:34,370 Even though I didn't know who they were, 584 00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:36,170 but I just... I felt safe. 585 00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:37,860 They let me be a kid. 586 00:31:37,870 --> 00:31:42,570 They let me be a nine-year-old, all the way into teenager 587 00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:44,160 all the way to now. 588 00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:46,830 Antwon and Cynthia showed me what 589 00:31:47,570 --> 00:31:50,270 a dad and a mom are supposed to be like. 590 00:31:50,270 --> 00:31:52,240 They taught me what love is. 591 00:31:55,370 --> 00:31:59,470 So, this first one is me. 592 00:31:59,470 --> 00:32:00,770 That's me right there. 593 00:32:00,870 --> 00:32:02,670 Wow! You're so little! That's me. I was... 594 00:32:02,730 --> 00:32:04,560 Aw! 595 00:32:04,570 --> 00:32:07,470 I was, like, two... I think I was, like, two. 596 00:32:07,470 --> 00:32:08,570 That's what it looks like. 597 00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:11,100 Natalia was so cute! 598 00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:13,070 - I was so little. Wow! 599 00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:16,470 - And then that is... - Your mom and dad. 600 00:32:16,530 --> 00:32:18,560 Yeah. That's my biological dad and mom. 601 00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:20,270 Aw! 602 00:32:43,370 --> 00:32:44,370 I don't wanna open 603 00:32:44,370 --> 00:32:46,840 that door of a relationship with Anna. 604 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,570 I get it, you know? 605 00:32:48,570 --> 00:32:53,370 You, you probably do wanna see me and everything like that, 606 00:32:53,370 --> 00:32:56,370 but I have a family here. 607 00:32:56,370 --> 00:32:59,570 I have my parents who raised me. 608 00:32:59,630 --> 00:33:01,760 Like, it's different with Anna 609 00:33:01,770 --> 00:33:03,470 because she only gave birth to me, 610 00:33:03,530 --> 00:33:08,060 but she let me go pretty much that same day. 611 00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:10,170 It started bringing in some hurt emotions 612 00:33:10,170 --> 00:33:15,140 because I haven't been in the Ukraine since I was five. 613 00:33:17,370 --> 00:33:18,970 The things that I remember 614 00:33:19,030 --> 00:33:22,960 from being in the orphanage in Ukraine are not great. 615 00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:26,370 They're scary memories 616 00:33:26,370 --> 00:33:29,170 that I really don't like to think about anymore. 617 00:33:30,970 --> 00:33:33,070 When Natalia was in the orphanage, 618 00:33:33,070 --> 00:33:37,570 most probably because they just didn't have the staff 619 00:33:37,570 --> 00:33:40,870 to support these kids one on one, 620 00:33:40,930 --> 00:33:42,460 and what they would have to do is 621 00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:44,370 en masse scare them into, 622 00:33:44,430 --> 00:33:45,860 you know, getting into their beds 623 00:33:45,870 --> 00:33:47,170 and being quiet 624 00:33:47,170 --> 00:33:51,740 and therefore they use unusual tactics. 625 00:33:55,270 --> 00:33:57,270 One time we were playing, 626 00:33:59,270 --> 00:34:00,870 we heard stomping 627 00:34:00,930 --> 00:34:04,260 and everybody ran to the bedroom... 628 00:34:06,670 --> 00:34:08,370 but I knew I couldn't 629 00:34:08,370 --> 00:34:09,870 and there was a couch behind me 630 00:34:09,870 --> 00:34:11,240 and I hid behind a couch. 631 00:34:16,570 --> 00:34:19,870 There was like, this big, black cloak 632 00:34:19,870 --> 00:34:21,570 and it was, like, this green mask. 633 00:34:26,570 --> 00:34:28,840 To me it was like the monster under the bed. 634 00:34:30,770 --> 00:34:32,670 It heard me crying 635 00:34:32,670 --> 00:34:36,240 and it turned my way and I, literally, panicked. 636 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,370 And I crawled to the very end 637 00:34:38,430 --> 00:34:40,060 where there was, like, a plant, 638 00:34:40,070 --> 00:34:41,770 where it couldn't get me on that side. 639 00:34:41,770 --> 00:34:44,670 And I remember hearing it stomping, coming towards me 640 00:34:44,670 --> 00:34:46,970 and it just peaked behind the couch. 641 00:34:47,470 --> 00:34:49,970 And I was so scared. 642 00:34:50,030 --> 00:34:52,660 Like, I didn't know what was about to happen, 643 00:34:53,770 --> 00:34:55,670 and it just stared at me. 644 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,670 And I'm, like, I don't know what to do. 645 00:35:01,870 --> 00:35:03,840 And it finally left. 646 00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:07,570 And then I remember one of the people that was 647 00:35:07,570 --> 00:35:09,670 in the bedroom with the other kids 648 00:35:09,730 --> 00:35:12,730 came and hugged me and then that was it. 649 00:35:13,770 --> 00:35:15,270 But, like, that was, like, 650 00:35:15,330 --> 00:35:19,260 the scariest moment of my life that I remember from that age. 651 00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:20,970 Like, that was beyond scary 652 00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:23,360 'cause I didn't know what was happening, 653 00:35:23,370 --> 00:35:26,840 I don't know why anybody would want to scare a bunch of kids. 654 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,770 A lot of stuff happened that just should not have happened. 655 00:35:35,830 --> 00:35:38,030 One thing I do remember is 656 00:35:38,770 --> 00:35:40,070 it's very weird, 657 00:35:40,070 --> 00:35:44,270 but I was is a orphanage and I just remember, like, 658 00:35:44,330 --> 00:35:46,830 somebody just coming up and just covering my face 659 00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:49,970 and I blacked out 660 00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:51,000 and then it was, like... 661 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,270 I remember I woke up being carried and I just 662 00:35:54,270 --> 00:35:56,370 remember just seeing a big building, 663 00:35:56,370 --> 00:35:57,570 looked like an apartment building. 664 00:35:59,670 --> 00:36:02,370 I remember being in a doctor's office 665 00:36:02,370 --> 00:36:06,000 and then I remember getting a shot in my arm 666 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,570 and then after that I blacked out again. 667 00:36:08,570 --> 00:36:10,070 And then, next thing I know, 668 00:36:10,070 --> 00:36:11,440 I'm laying on a couch. 669 00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:18,070 This memory has always been, like, a mystery to me. 670 00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:23,230 And... Well... 671 00:36:29,170 --> 00:36:32,670 I can't remember anything about what he looked like. 672 00:36:32,670 --> 00:36:36,000 The next memory that I have after that is me back in a orphanage. 673 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,670 Like, I don't know how I got back there 674 00:36:38,730 --> 00:36:40,960 or anything like that. 675 00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:42,760 When I'm trying to picture it, 676 00:36:42,830 --> 00:36:46,360 it's just, like, an invisible guy with a white T-shirt. 677 00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:48,760 Like, I just don't know what he looked like. 678 00:36:48,830 --> 00:36:49,760 I can't remember. 679 00:36:53,370 --> 00:36:54,270 I can hand it to you 680 00:36:54,270 --> 00:36:55,970 and then I'll take it back. 681 00:36:59,470 --> 00:37:00,340 I don't even know... 682 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,770 Like, how did y'all get this picture? 683 00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:11,170 Oh, my goodness. 684 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,370 Oh, my gosh. 685 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,170 Like, honestly, I don't know what to say. 686 00:37:29,170 --> 00:37:30,970 I don't know what to even think. 687 00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:32,870 Because, like, I know, like, 688 00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:35,170 more happened than what I remember, 689 00:37:35,170 --> 00:37:37,640 but it's like, I can't figure it out. 690 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:39,870 Like, just seeing that, like, 691 00:37:39,870 --> 00:37:43,270 and not being able to remember is frustrating. 692 00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:51,370 But it's also scary because I don't know what he did. 693 00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:53,460 I don't know why I was with him. I... 694 00:37:55,870 --> 00:37:56,970 I don't know. 695 00:37:59,270 --> 00:38:02,770 If Natalia had been traumatized in Ukraine, 696 00:38:02,830 --> 00:38:05,360 she needed a family to help her heal, 697 00:38:05,370 --> 00:38:07,770 but the Barnetts were not that family. 698 00:38:07,770 --> 00:38:09,440 They did the opposite 699 00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:12,830 and then she's re-traumatized again. 700 00:38:16,170 --> 00:38:17,570 The time I was in the Ukraine 701 00:38:17,570 --> 00:38:19,570 in the orphanage, after all that happened, 702 00:38:19,570 --> 00:38:21,670 the only thing I really wanted 703 00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:23,470 was a family who loves me. 704 00:38:23,470 --> 00:38:25,570 A family that protects me 705 00:38:25,570 --> 00:38:28,040 and the Barnetts did none of that. 706 00:38:28,900 --> 00:38:30,570 They just hurt me more. 707 00:38:30,570 --> 00:38:32,940 Kristine and Michael were never my parents! 708 00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:34,730 From day one. 709 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,230 They never acted like my parents. 710 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,170 Even though I'm still legally theirs right now, 711 00:38:43,170 --> 00:38:44,970 they are not my parents. 712 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,070 Antwon and Cynthia Mans are my parents. 713 00:38:49,170 --> 00:38:51,470 So, the only thing that's left connecting me 714 00:38:51,530 --> 00:38:53,560 to the Barnetts is my last name 715 00:38:53,570 --> 00:38:55,170 and that's about to change as well. 716 00:38:56,370 --> 00:38:57,570 I'm Peter Kenny. 717 00:38:57,570 --> 00:39:00,770 I practice law in Indianapolis, Indiana. 718 00:39:00,770 --> 00:39:02,070 Primarily adoptions, 719 00:39:02,070 --> 00:39:04,970 foster care and guardianship issues. 720 00:39:04,970 --> 00:39:06,970 What makes me wanna take this case is, 721 00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:08,360 I think it's about time that 722 00:39:08,370 --> 00:39:11,770 the system looked out for Natalia. 723 00:39:11,770 --> 00:39:14,470 I just want to see why do you want to be in their family forever? 724 00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:16,370 And why do you want to be theirs? 725 00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:19,840 They've actually been a family to me. 726 00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:21,970 They've showed me love. 727 00:39:22,030 --> 00:39:24,260 They've told me that they love me and they've showed it. 728 00:39:25,170 --> 00:39:26,870 This will be my third adoption 729 00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:28,930 and this will be my permanent adoption. 730 00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:31,170 I've been Natasha Gava 731 00:39:31,170 --> 00:39:34,100 and then it was Natalia Ciccone 732 00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:35,970 and then it was Natalia Barnett 733 00:39:36,030 --> 00:39:38,560 and now it'll be Natalia Mans. 734 00:39:38,570 --> 00:39:41,770 With still being connected to the Barnett name 735 00:39:41,770 --> 00:39:43,670 and everything like that and how it, like, 736 00:39:43,730 --> 00:39:46,060 if I have to sign something I have to say Barnett, 737 00:39:46,070 --> 00:39:49,170 and it's like, I don't want that 738 00:39:49,230 --> 00:39:50,760 to be my identity. 739 00:39:50,830 --> 00:39:52,560 'Cause, like, with everything that happened, 740 00:39:52,570 --> 00:39:54,770 it's all connected to the Barnett name. 741 00:39:54,830 --> 00:39:57,730 And I don't want that to be connected to me anymore. 742 00:39:58,100 --> 00:39:59,270 I just want to start new 743 00:39:59,270 --> 00:40:01,340 and not have to look back and... 744 00:40:02,670 --> 00:40:03,770 I don't wanna have to... 745 00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:05,470 Like, someone ask me, like, "What's your name?" 746 00:40:05,470 --> 00:40:07,170 I don't wanna say Natalia Barnett. 747 00:40:07,170 --> 00:40:10,170 I wanna say Natalia Mans because that's who I am. 748 00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:11,760 I'm a Mans. I'm not a Barnett. 749 00:40:11,770 --> 00:40:14,170 Like, me and my family have had to pay the price 750 00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:17,660 for their decisions with pain and suffering 751 00:40:17,730 --> 00:40:19,960 and just a whole bunch of road blocks. 752 00:40:20,030 --> 00:40:26,460 And so now, I feel like they should be the ones to have to pay the price. 753 00:40:26,530 --> 00:40:28,860 Legally, I feel like they got away with it. 754 00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:30,370 Legally they did. 755 00:40:30,370 --> 00:40:33,670 Publicly, they're not. 'Cause people know 756 00:40:33,730 --> 00:40:36,860 and are gonna see as these things get uncovered, 757 00:40:36,930 --> 00:40:38,360 what they have done. 758 00:40:38,370 --> 00:40:40,870 'Cause you don't go through this much stuff 759 00:40:41,370 --> 00:40:43,170 to do something to a person 760 00:40:43,170 --> 00:40:44,940 unless you're hiding something. 761 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,370 As long, as long as I've known them, 762 00:40:47,370 --> 00:40:49,070 all they've done is lied. 763 00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:51,560 What this adoption will do is 764 00:40:51,630 --> 00:40:54,460 kinda pave the way for anything you wanna do 765 00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:55,470 legally in the future 766 00:40:55,470 --> 00:40:57,870 because the evidence will speak for itself. 767 00:40:57,870 --> 00:40:59,840 - They're hiding something. - Yeah. 768 00:41:01,170 --> 00:41:02,470 With this adoption, 769 00:41:02,530 --> 00:41:03,860 I'll be legally a part of the family. 770 00:41:03,870 --> 00:41:06,270 So that way, I'll be protected 771 00:41:06,270 --> 00:41:09,740 while I do civil suits against the Barnetts. 772 00:41:10,570 --> 00:41:12,170 You know, abuse, neglect 773 00:41:12,170 --> 00:41:13,970 and a whole bunch of other stuff 774 00:41:13,970 --> 00:41:16,740 that should not have happened. 775 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,470 Michael and Natalia are meeting again. 776 00:41:21,470 --> 00:41:24,370 Michael on one side and Natalia on the other. 777 00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:27,070 Will Michael reveal any secrets? 778 00:41:27,130 --> 00:41:29,160 Of course, Natalia wants answers, 779 00:41:29,170 --> 00:41:31,770 but she's running a risk here 780 00:41:31,770 --> 00:41:33,670 because Michael has triggers. 781 00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:38,100 I try, I try, I try, I try! 782 00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:40,870 Let me talk to you. Let me talk to you. No, no, no. 783 00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:43,070 Michael? Leave me alone! 784 00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:47,100 Is she running the risk that he's gonna get up and walk out again? 785 00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:50,170 You ain't about to weasel your way out of this. 786 00:41:50,170 --> 00:41:51,570 He's got to come back and man up 787 00:41:51,570 --> 00:41:53,470 and stop being a little whiny baby! 788 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,570 He acted like a coward! 789 00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:59,760 This is round two. 790 00:42:00,900 --> 00:42:03,670 How many other secrets are there? 791 00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:06,470 You have to fight to get to the truth. 792 00:42:06,530 --> 00:42:08,060 I'm not scared anymore. 793 00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:13,370 You deserve to have some answers. 56163

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