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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,446 --> 00:00:08,446 2 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:17,639 Nicky's story came out by accident after this scrapbook surfaced 3 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,479 after gathering dust for decades. 4 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,320 Once it did, though, it set about a whole chain of incredible events. 5 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,599 That's me before I left for England. 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:34,679 But until 1988, I had no idea who had rescued me 7 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:36,840 from all but certain death. 8 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,679 It was this old man who had saved my life 9 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,760 and that of hundreds of others in the Second World War. 10 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,999 Yet for 50 years, we knew nothing about him. 11 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,300 Not even that he existed. 12 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,959 I think there is much too much harping in the past. 13 00:01:04,960 --> 00:01:07,959 Quite frankly, I can't see the point of all that. 14 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:09,999 We've never learnt anything from the past. 15 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,480 I think the future lies in forgetting the past, 16 00:01:14,481 --> 00:01:15,521 not remembering it. 17 00:01:18,620 --> 00:01:22,620 18 00:01:23,041 --> 00:01:26,080 It started with Adolf Hitler instilling hatred 19 00:01:26,081 --> 00:01:30,160 in Germans from childhood up for everything he considered foreign. 20 00:01:30,161 --> 00:01:35,640 Most of all, for Jews, Gypsies and Slavs. 21 00:01:35,641 --> 00:01:38,760 And he used the hate he had whipped up to 22 00:01:38,761 --> 00:01:41,521 prepare his nation for war. 23 00:01:44,961 --> 00:01:49,840 You could hear Hitler's voice raving on the radio and you could 24 00:01:49,841 --> 00:01:55,121 feel the danger getting closer and closer and closer. 25 00:01:59,001 --> 00:02:02,040 We were seven-year-old children in second grade. 26 00:02:02,041 --> 00:02:06,320 And one day, a girl comes up to me and slaps me on the face, 27 00:02:06,321 --> 00:02:08,120 left and right and left and right 28 00:02:08,121 --> 00:02:12,440 and she said, "My father told me to do that," so I was stunned. 29 00:02:12,441 --> 00:02:15,361 I was flabbergasted. How can she do that? 30 00:02:20,481 --> 00:02:24,040 I was only about four or five years old but I hit my head 31 00:02:24,041 --> 00:02:27,440 on a central heating radiator and I cut my head open 32 00:02:27,441 --> 00:02:30,960 and I remember my father taking me to the doctor 33 00:02:30,961 --> 00:02:33,520 and the doctor looked at it and he said, 34 00:02:33,521 --> 00:02:38,881 "Erm, that does need stitching but I don't stitch Jews." 35 00:02:41,001 --> 00:02:44,760 The hatred coming from Germany didn't just endanger Jews 36 00:02:44,761 --> 00:02:46,841 but also the Czechs as well. 37 00:02:48,161 --> 00:02:52,600 They turned out to protest Hitler's demands for a chunk of their country - 38 00:02:52,601 --> 00:02:54,641 the so-called Sudeten borderlands. 39 00:03:00,915 --> 00:03:04,474 The Czechs mobilised to defend themselves but they needed 40 00:03:04,475 --> 00:03:06,515 help from their allies in the West. 41 00:03:08,275 --> 00:03:11,754 Neither in Britain - nor for that matter in any other democracy - 42 00:03:11,755 --> 00:03:15,676 was there any great will to confront Hitler and risk war. 43 00:03:17,476 --> 00:03:21,555 So the British and French prime ministers went to Munich 44 00:03:21,556 --> 00:03:26,635 and ended up signing a humiliating deal with Hitler. 45 00:03:26,636 --> 00:03:31,115 The word Munich has ever since then stood for cowardly appeasement. 46 00:03:31,116 --> 00:03:33,955 At the time, though, when Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain 47 00:03:33,956 --> 00:03:35,595 returned here to Parliament 48 00:03:35,596 --> 00:03:39,315 and waved that piece of paper he brought back from Munich 49 00:03:39,316 --> 00:03:43,155 and declared it to have brought "peace for our time", 50 00:03:43,156 --> 00:03:46,915 a wave of relief swept through most of Europe - 51 00:03:46,916 --> 00:03:49,316 but not in Czechoslovakia, of course. 52 00:04:01,276 --> 00:04:04,835 We lived in Sudetenland, 53 00:04:04,836 --> 00:04:10,715 this town of Pobezovice which is near to the border of Germany. 54 00:04:10,716 --> 00:04:16,395 It all happened so suddenly - my mother took us four children. 55 00:04:16,396 --> 00:04:21,155 We didn't manage to take anything at all. 56 00:04:21,156 --> 00:04:23,955 We just ran for our lives. 57 00:04:23,956 --> 00:04:26,715 This was frightening for children. 58 00:04:26,716 --> 00:04:30,155 I remember standing in front of a shop window where there was 59 00:04:30,156 --> 00:04:35,235 a map of Czechoslovak Republic and in a black ink was 60 00:04:35,236 --> 00:04:39,755 marked in the part which was handed over to Hitler. 61 00:04:39,756 --> 00:04:44,395 And there were people all around the shop making all kinds of bad remarks 62 00:04:44,396 --> 00:04:46,675 and saying, "Well, you can't do that. 63 00:04:46,676 --> 00:04:49,715 "We will fight and we will fight and fight." 64 00:04:49,716 --> 00:04:54,155 I remember the following day, loading all our few belongings, 65 00:04:54,156 --> 00:05:00,475 there weren't too much, on a horse and cart and we were out of there. 66 00:05:00,476 --> 00:05:04,555 My parents, my brother and I and at the time, 67 00:05:04,556 --> 00:05:08,996 I was just six years old - we had no clue what was going on. 68 00:05:15,617 --> 00:05:19,296 There was a new refugee girl in our class 69 00:05:20,597 --> 00:05:27,756 and I was most surprised to see that she had no shoes on her feet. 70 00:05:27,757 --> 00:05:31,036 When break came, I ran across the road 71 00:05:31,037 --> 00:05:38,676 and took out of my wardrobe my best shoes and brought them to her. 72 00:05:38,677 --> 00:05:44,836 I told Mother what had happened - tears appeared on her face. 73 00:05:44,837 --> 00:05:47,596 And she hugged me and she said, 74 00:05:47,597 --> 00:05:50,237 "You did the right thing, my little girl." 75 00:06:04,997 --> 00:06:08,396 The first pages of the scrapbook, and of our story, came to be 76 00:06:08,397 --> 00:06:11,396 written in December 1938. 77 00:06:11,397 --> 00:06:16,036 You look at the pictures, and the list of all of us and you have 78 00:06:16,037 --> 00:06:22,037 to wonder - what made a 29-year-old Englishman do such a thing? 79 00:06:29,277 --> 00:06:32,596 In a way, what Winton did was surprising - 80 00:06:32,597 --> 00:06:34,676 the world was his oyster. 81 00:06:34,677 --> 00:06:36,556 In the depth of the Great Depression, 82 00:06:36,557 --> 00:06:40,516 his job as a stockbroker allowed him to enjoy the good life. 83 00:06:40,517 --> 00:06:46,317 He was a champion fencer who also loved to sail, to ski and to travel. 84 00:06:51,997 --> 00:06:55,716 In 1938, with Christmas approaching, 85 00:06:55,717 --> 00:07:00,196 Winton had his mind set on going to Switzerland for a skiing holiday. 86 00:07:00,197 --> 00:07:03,596 In other words, he wasn't exactly the kind of young man 87 00:07:03,597 --> 00:07:07,716 you'd normally associate with a passion for altruism. 88 00:07:07,717 --> 00:07:12,236 At least, not until that phone call that changed his life, 89 00:07:12,237 --> 00:07:16,758 my life and the life of so many others. 90 00:07:19,718 --> 00:07:21,037 Hello? 91 00:07:21,038 --> 00:07:24,197 'The phone call was from Prague, from Martin Blake, ' 92 00:07:24,198 --> 00:07:27,957 a friend with whom Nicky had planned to go on that skiing trip. 93 00:07:27,958 --> 00:07:29,917 Blake said he couldn't make it 94 00:07:29,918 --> 00:07:32,117 because he had gone to Czechoslovakia 95 00:07:32,118 --> 00:07:36,597 to help people in trouble with the Germans, so Nicky decided to forget 96 00:07:36,598 --> 00:07:41,358 the ski trip and join Blake to take a look at what was going on there. 97 00:07:50,078 --> 00:07:51,797 Hello. 98 00:07:51,798 --> 00:07:58,637 'I went to Prague with the background knowledge' of people in England 99 00:07:58,638 --> 00:08:03,117 who felt they knew much more about what Hitler was up to 100 00:08:03,118 --> 00:08:04,878 than the present government. 101 00:08:09,278 --> 00:08:13,437 The first thing I did then was to go around the camps where all 102 00:08:13,438 --> 00:08:17,718 those people endangered by the Nazis were living. 103 00:08:19,358 --> 00:08:22,997 Some Nissen huts with one little stove in the middle 104 00:08:22,998 --> 00:08:25,678 and the conditions were pretty terrible. 105 00:08:29,438 --> 00:08:32,357 It was very cold, snow on the ground 106 00:08:32,358 --> 00:08:35,997 and a lot of the refugees were really in very bad shape. 107 00:08:35,998 --> 00:08:39,437 They felt that the days were numbered before the Germans were 108 00:08:39,438 --> 00:08:44,517 going to arrive in Czechoslovakia, but how could they save themselves? 109 00:08:44,518 --> 00:08:48,598 What could they do? Where should they go? They were stuck. 110 00:08:52,638 --> 00:08:55,530 While Winton was in Prague, he was given a map that shook him up. 111 00:08:57,118 --> 00:08:59,517 He showed the map, a map of German plans 112 00:08:59,518 --> 00:09:03,518 and ambitions for territorial expansion to France. 113 00:09:06,598 --> 00:09:12,678 And what it showed was that the Germans had ambition to take over the whole of Europe. 114 00:09:14,198 --> 00:09:16,158 Nobody had believed it. 115 00:09:32,079 --> 00:09:35,678 There were many other people, refugees like us, 116 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:42,958 small children. There was a fire, smoke from cooking and heating 117 00:09:42,959 --> 00:09:49,119 and I remember being given something hot cos it was cold weather then. 118 00:09:53,199 --> 00:09:57,198 The respiration was not just among the poor in the camps. 119 00:09:57,199 --> 00:09:59,878 In Prague and elsewhere, anxious parents, 120 00:09:59,879 --> 00:10:03,358 having heard about this concerned Englishman, 121 00:10:03,359 --> 00:10:05,359 headed for Winton's hotel. 122 00:10:08,799 --> 00:10:11,238 Well, I didn't get much sleep when I was at the Sroubek. 123 00:10:11,239 --> 00:10:12,958 I got to bed very late 124 00:10:12,959 --> 00:10:16,359 and there were people knocking at my door in the morning. 125 00:10:21,439 --> 00:10:28,918 I saw those people who were in difficulty, in danger. 126 00:10:28,919 --> 00:10:33,199 People on Hitler's blacklist for whom there was nobody to help. 127 00:10:34,439 --> 00:10:38,239 I thought, at least I ought to try and save the children. 128 00:10:47,239 --> 00:10:49,838 Can you please, please take them? 129 00:10:49,839 --> 00:10:51,718 Everybody in Prague said, 130 00:10:51,719 --> 00:10:55,118 "Look, there is no organisation to deal with the children. 131 00:10:55,119 --> 00:10:56,958 "We can't deal with them. 132 00:10:56,959 --> 00:10:59,798 "Anyway, nobody will let the children in on their own 133 00:10:59,799 --> 00:11:02,598 "but if you want to have a go, have a go." 134 00:11:02,599 --> 00:11:07,518 And I have a motto that if something isn't blatantly impossible, 135 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:09,159 there must be a way of doing it. 136 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,999 So he started writing letters - here, there, everywhere - 137 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,999 asking for help, and he had no hesitation about going 138 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,279 right to the top, writing to the White House, 139 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,520 to President Franklin Roosevelt. 140 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,559 A few weeks later he got a reply, not from the White House, though, 141 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:46,719 but from much lower down on the diplomatic food chain, 142 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,039 from this building here in London right behind me - 143 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,239 the American Embassy. And the reply said, 144 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,639 "The United States Government is unable to permit immigration 145 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:01,480 "in excess of that provided for by existing laws." 146 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,799 But Winton wasn't about to let this stop him. 147 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,839 He and his helpers started making up the list of children 148 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,880 without actually knowing whether they would be able to help them. 149 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,239 'This is the cafe that I came down every day.' 150 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,999 I wasn't sitting there for more than about two minutes 151 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,879 before the first people came to talk to me 152 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,159 and find out how they could get their children to England. 153 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,160 And this went on the whole time I was here. 154 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,080 The picture must be of good quality. 155 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,359 As word of his campaign spread, 156 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,799 it drew the attention of the Germans. 157 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:59,319 They suspected that Nicky Winton's efforts were about something more 158 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,279 than just getting out a few children. 159 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,479 They decided they needed to get closer to him, 160 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:10,599 which they did, using one of the oldest tricks in the spy business - 161 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,120 the lure of a beautiful woman. 162 00:13:26,681 --> 00:13:32,000 They met as if by chance at the Hotel Sroubek. 163 00:13:32,001 --> 00:13:35,400 Nicky was enchanted, and not just by her beauty. 164 00:13:35,401 --> 00:13:37,640 Her name, she said, was Kerstin 165 00:13:37,641 --> 00:13:41,641 and she was the Prague representative of the Swedish Red Cross. 166 00:13:44,321 --> 00:13:47,480 'I dare say she was very beautiful.' 167 00:13:47,481 --> 00:13:52,041 I mean, traditional for a spy to be beautiful, isn't it? 168 00:13:53,321 --> 00:13:57,321 You can't have an ugly spy. It's a contradiction in terms. 169 00:14:00,681 --> 00:14:05,201 Kerstin told him she had permission to bring refugee children to Sweden. 170 00:14:14,081 --> 00:14:16,320 Winton's hopes soared. 171 00:14:16,321 --> 00:14:19,681 Finally, a chance perhaps to get some children out. 172 00:14:21,281 --> 00:14:24,960 Friends warned him that she was a known Nazi spy. 173 00:14:24,961 --> 00:14:28,841 Nicky forged ahead anyway and kept on seeing her. 174 00:14:34,521 --> 00:14:36,800 And it paid off. 175 00:14:36,801 --> 00:14:40,320 Kerstin got 25 children admitted to Sweden. 176 00:14:40,321 --> 00:14:43,960 In fact, she flew off to Sweden with them 177 00:14:43,961 --> 00:14:47,721 and disappeared from Nicky's life completely. 178 00:14:58,561 --> 00:15:03,561 My parents tried every way to get us out of Czechoslovakia. 179 00:15:05,601 --> 00:15:09,640 We tried to get to America. We tried to get to England. 180 00:15:09,641 --> 00:15:11,480 We tried to get to Palestine. 181 00:15:11,481 --> 00:15:15,121 But all the governments said, "Our borders are now closed." 182 00:15:17,681 --> 00:15:22,081 My mother got up every day at four o'clock 183 00:15:22,082 --> 00:15:25,601 and went to stand in the queues of different consuls, 184 00:15:25,602 --> 00:15:28,761 for getting papers for Uruguay 185 00:15:28,762 --> 00:15:32,441 and some other unmentionable places. 186 00:15:32,442 --> 00:15:34,362 And there was no way out. 187 00:15:37,082 --> 00:15:40,241 We knew that the timing was absolutely essential 188 00:15:40,242 --> 00:15:42,642 to do everything now and quickly. 189 00:15:45,642 --> 00:15:51,121 The number of children who were in urgent need of leaving 190 00:15:51,122 --> 00:15:55,882 the country for safety was certainly over 2,000. 191 00:16:00,842 --> 00:16:03,721 Winton kept on meeting with the families, 192 00:16:03,922 --> 00:16:06,561 working on a list of children. 193 00:16:06,562 --> 00:16:12,521 Then, suddenly, his work was threatened by a phone call from London. 194 00:16:12,522 --> 00:16:15,281 The call was from his boss. 195 00:16:15,282 --> 00:16:18,321 'My boss from the stock exchange' 196 00:16:18,322 --> 00:16:21,601 didn't think that what I was doing in Prague was important. 197 00:16:21,602 --> 00:16:25,241 He didn't think what I was doing in Prague was necessary. 198 00:16:25,242 --> 00:16:28,601 He said, "Why do you want to stay in Czechoslovakia 199 00:16:28,602 --> 00:16:33,361 "and help those far-off people that people don't know anything about?" 200 00:16:33,362 --> 00:16:37,161 He was just a money chap on the stock exchange, 201 00:16:37,162 --> 00:16:40,881 completely non-humanitarian with bags of money, 202 00:16:40,882 --> 00:16:43,322 and all he thought about was money. 203 00:16:45,122 --> 00:16:48,121 Winton, to the relief of his co-workers, 204 00:16:48,122 --> 00:16:52,281 decided to defy his boss and stay in Prague. 205 00:16:54,482 --> 00:16:56,521 Nicky Winton's efforts 206 00:16:56,522 --> 00:16:59,921 came to the ears of all those who had decided 207 00:16:59,922 --> 00:17:02,361 to send their children away. 208 00:17:02,362 --> 00:17:07,682 My father also approached this refugee committee. 209 00:17:10,722 --> 00:17:16,441 My mother took me to the Winton office on Hrubesova Ulice. 210 00:17:16,442 --> 00:17:21,322 We stood in line on a winding staircase for hours 211 00:17:21,323 --> 00:17:25,403 till my turn came and I was registered. 212 00:17:32,643 --> 00:17:36,962 The parents exchanged their hopes and fears and we children 213 00:17:36,963 --> 00:17:40,763 eyed each other for potential friends. 214 00:17:46,243 --> 00:17:50,362 You had all these refugees who were fleeing from Hitler 215 00:17:50,363 --> 00:17:53,642 and who were in danger of their lives 216 00:17:53,643 --> 00:17:57,243 if Hitler made another move into Czechoslovakia. 217 00:18:10,163 --> 00:18:14,082 This was the day the Germans occupied Prague. 218 00:18:14,083 --> 00:18:16,362 There were convoys approaching. 219 00:18:16,363 --> 00:18:20,802 Germans with motorcycles in front, with sidecars, 220 00:18:20,803 --> 00:18:24,802 and behind them there were the big trucks - open trucks - 221 00:18:24,803 --> 00:18:27,922 with soldiers seated on two rows. 222 00:18:27,923 --> 00:18:30,562 The people on the street were screaming at them. 223 00:18:30,563 --> 00:18:32,563 Women were crying. 224 00:18:39,483 --> 00:18:44,162 Finally, a very large Mercedes drove past, 225 00:18:44,163 --> 00:18:47,802 Hitler standing there with his arm raised 226 00:18:47,803 --> 00:18:51,082 with three officers sitting behind. 227 00:18:51,083 --> 00:18:55,243 It was so quiet, it was like you could hear a pin drop. 228 00:19:07,123 --> 00:19:09,762 As soon as Hitler came in, 229 00:19:09,763 --> 00:19:12,082 a Nazi officer came to our school and said, 230 00:19:12,083 --> 00:19:13,802 "Who are the Jewish children?" 231 00:19:13,803 --> 00:19:16,242 And another child and I put our hands up. 232 00:19:16,243 --> 00:19:18,482 So he said, "You sit at the back. 233 00:19:18,483 --> 00:19:20,603 "Jewish children sit at the back." 234 00:19:23,124 --> 00:19:26,203 When he went out, the headmaster came in and he said, 235 00:19:26,204 --> 00:19:29,963 "From now on, the back seat is the seat of honour. 236 00:19:29,964 --> 00:19:32,523 "Only the best children sit there." 237 00:19:32,524 --> 00:19:34,244 That was Czechoslovakia. 238 00:19:38,884 --> 00:19:43,683 Winton wrote all over, looking for countries to take in his children. 239 00:19:43,684 --> 00:19:47,883 Only one responded positively - his own country, Britain. 240 00:19:47,884 --> 00:19:49,923 The rest of the world 241 00:19:49,924 --> 00:19:54,243 closed its eyes, its ears, its hearts 242 00:19:54,244 --> 00:19:56,084 and its gates. 243 00:20:00,404 --> 00:20:03,323 Winton started his work in London from scratch. 244 00:20:03,324 --> 00:20:07,723 There was no organisation, no existing pipeline and he was 245 00:20:07,724 --> 00:20:12,204 convinced that time was running out, that war was about to come. 246 00:20:15,204 --> 00:20:18,563 From this house on Hampstead Heath, Winton conducted his campaign 247 00:20:18,564 --> 00:20:21,283 to get the Germans to let the children out, 248 00:20:21,284 --> 00:20:23,643 the British Home Office to let them in, 249 00:20:23,644 --> 00:20:26,523 to find British families to take them into their homes 250 00:20:26,524 --> 00:20:30,204 and to raise the money to make it all possible. 251 00:20:38,004 --> 00:20:41,963 One of the chief problems was people said that the English government 252 00:20:41,964 --> 00:20:46,844 would never allow children in on their own without their parents. 253 00:20:48,244 --> 00:20:51,723 I asked the Home Office and they said yes. 254 00:20:51,724 --> 00:20:54,963 And they gave me certain conditions which were difficult. 255 00:20:54,964 --> 00:20:57,723 I had to find a family 256 00:20:57,724 --> 00:21:04,283 which would look after the child until the emergency was over. 257 00:21:04,284 --> 00:21:08,363 And each child had to have a guarantor of £50. 258 00:21:08,364 --> 00:21:10,604 It was a hell of a lot of money. 259 00:21:11,844 --> 00:21:15,283 When I say the committee in London, it was me and a secretary, 260 00:21:15,284 --> 00:21:18,723 working from home. I mean, we had no office. 261 00:21:18,724 --> 00:21:22,244 We weren't an official body at all. 262 00:21:22,245 --> 00:21:25,724 So all I had to do was buy some notepaper and print, 263 00:21:25,725 --> 00:21:30,525 "British Committee of Refugees from Czechoslovakia Children's Section." 264 00:21:40,085 --> 00:21:42,848 Then I had the police round, asking me why I had so much 265 00:21:42,925 --> 00:21:45,724 correspondence with Prague. 266 00:21:45,725 --> 00:21:48,885 The situation in Prague was serious. 267 00:21:52,885 --> 00:21:57,005 There was active, menacing hostility from the Germans. 268 00:22:06,965 --> 00:22:12,124 When Hitler came, when the Germans occupied Czechoslovakia, 269 00:22:12,125 --> 00:22:14,004 I had to leave school. 270 00:22:14,005 --> 00:22:17,644 We couldn't go to the movies, we wouldn't go to the opera, 271 00:22:17,645 --> 00:22:20,285 to concerts - everything was forbidden. 272 00:22:23,045 --> 00:22:27,004 Father was driving along Karlovo Namesti 273 00:22:27,005 --> 00:22:30,684 and they saw that the Gestapo had made an action there 274 00:22:30,685 --> 00:22:33,925 and they were taking people out and putting them onto a truck. 275 00:22:36,645 --> 00:22:39,084 Every family was scared. Which family was not scared? 276 00:22:39,085 --> 00:22:40,605 Every family was scared. 277 00:22:42,245 --> 00:22:45,284 Whenever my father left for the office in the morning, 278 00:22:45,285 --> 00:22:49,524 my mother was terribly upset and quite often cried 279 00:22:49,525 --> 00:22:53,644 because she was so worried that he might never come home again, 280 00:22:53,645 --> 00:22:56,245 being arrested by the Germans. 281 00:22:58,485 --> 00:23:00,924 My father was a wanted person 282 00:23:00,925 --> 00:23:03,365 and he was warned to leave. 283 00:23:04,565 --> 00:23:08,044 A few days later, the Gestapo did come to look for him. 284 00:23:08,045 --> 00:23:10,965 They took my mother away for questioning. 285 00:23:17,845 --> 00:23:19,804 Well, I was beginning to pick up 286 00:23:19,805 --> 00:23:22,245 tension and worry in the grown-ups. 287 00:23:23,886 --> 00:23:27,206 My uncle and his wife committed suicide. 288 00:23:31,886 --> 00:23:35,565 And then, the next day, someone came to our house 289 00:23:35,566 --> 00:23:38,165 and said, "Brno is burning." 290 00:23:38,166 --> 00:23:41,405 And so - I was terrified of fire. 291 00:23:41,406 --> 00:23:46,045 That was the day, then, that there were three, 292 00:23:46,046 --> 00:23:49,286 four synagogues burnt down to the ground. 293 00:23:53,566 --> 00:23:58,645 As the despair of the parents grew, so did the pressure on Winton, 294 00:23:58,646 --> 00:24:02,765 with photographs of applicants continuing to flow in. 295 00:24:02,766 --> 00:24:08,766 A simple snapshot could often decide the fate of a child. 296 00:24:18,926 --> 00:24:22,045 We received the pictures of the children from Prague 297 00:24:22,046 --> 00:24:24,605 with details of each child. 298 00:24:24,606 --> 00:24:29,725 We enlisted these pictures in the local press, the national press, 299 00:24:29,726 --> 00:24:35,766 in Picture Post which was a journal which helped us enormously. 300 00:24:39,846 --> 00:24:43,045 What made Winton so effective 301 00:24:43,046 --> 00:24:46,445 was that in addition to his skills as a salesman, 302 00:24:46,446 --> 00:24:52,446 he also had a creative spark and a willingness to experiment. 303 00:24:59,566 --> 00:25:05,445 We put six or eight of these children together on one card, 304 00:25:05,446 --> 00:25:07,445 merely to speed up the process 305 00:25:07,446 --> 00:25:10,726 of getting the British families to choose. 306 00:25:12,326 --> 00:25:15,605 If somebody said, "We'd like to take a child," 307 00:25:15,606 --> 00:25:17,965 we just said, "What sex?" 308 00:25:17,966 --> 00:25:20,405 And then we said, "What age?" 309 00:25:20,406 --> 00:25:22,885 We gave them pictures of half a dozen children 310 00:25:22,886 --> 00:25:25,927 and then we asked them to choose a child. 311 00:25:27,367 --> 00:25:32,046 Which was rather a commercial way of dealing with it 312 00:25:32,047 --> 00:25:34,766 but it was quick and effective and it worked 313 00:25:34,767 --> 00:25:37,727 and in most cases it went right. 314 00:26:04,167 --> 00:26:06,366 But when somebody wanted to take a child, 315 00:26:06,367 --> 00:26:10,246 say they were up in Newcastle from London, which is a long way away, 316 00:26:10,247 --> 00:26:12,726 we got somebody in Newcastle 317 00:26:12,727 --> 00:26:16,567 to vet the family to see that the family was OK. 318 00:26:20,167 --> 00:26:24,286 We were sitting round a little table, you know, having supper 319 00:26:24,287 --> 00:26:28,207 that Mother wasn't eating and suddenly she put... 320 00:26:30,367 --> 00:26:36,046 ..her knife and fork down and looked at Father and said very quietly, 321 00:26:36,047 --> 00:26:43,726 "I heard today... that both Eva and Vera can go to England." 322 00:26:43,727 --> 00:26:51,126 And my father looked up and there were tears in his eyes and... as he said... 323 00:26:51,127 --> 00:26:53,287 "We'll have to let them go." 324 00:27:00,327 --> 00:27:05,086 There was a lot of sadness in the house and also... 325 00:27:05,087 --> 00:27:07,646 um... sort of... 326 00:27:07,647 --> 00:27:09,366 a peculiar atmosphere. 327 00:27:09,367 --> 00:27:13,687 My father looked sad, my mother, obviously, was devastated. 328 00:27:16,447 --> 00:27:21,326 One day, I remember my father... called me and he said, 329 00:27:21,327 --> 00:27:23,166 "You're going on a long journey. 330 00:27:23,167 --> 00:27:28,007 "You're going to a country called England. 331 00:27:28,008 --> 00:27:30,208 "We can't come with you." 332 00:27:47,568 --> 00:27:51,808 The pressure from the parents was incredible. 333 00:27:57,968 --> 00:28:00,567 We in London at that time 334 00:28:00,568 --> 00:28:05,007 thought there was going to be a catastrophe at any moment, 335 00:28:05,008 --> 00:28:08,167 and for us, time was absolutely essential. 336 00:28:08,168 --> 00:28:10,568 We cut all kinds of corners... 337 00:28:12,248 --> 00:28:17,167 ..even having fake passports or travel documents made at some time 338 00:28:17,168 --> 00:28:20,008 because the Home Office was a bit slow. 339 00:28:24,768 --> 00:28:28,167 But it was a forgery to bamboozle the Germans, really, 340 00:28:28,168 --> 00:28:30,407 not to bamboozle the British. 341 00:28:30,408 --> 00:28:33,247 We didn't bring anybody in illegally, 342 00:28:33,248 --> 00:28:36,328 we just speeded the process up a little. 343 00:28:52,208 --> 00:28:56,087 My mother, with a friend of hers, took me to the station. 344 00:28:56,088 --> 00:28:57,607 I can still see 345 00:28:57,608 --> 00:29:00,848 the tension on my mother's face. 346 00:29:02,488 --> 00:29:04,887 Looking anxious. 347 00:29:04,888 --> 00:29:08,367 There were German soldiers with the swastika standing nearby, 348 00:29:08,368 --> 00:29:11,967 lots of other parents seeing their children off. 349 00:29:11,968 --> 00:29:17,168 And a clear sense of tension which even a six-year-old child felt. 350 00:29:19,328 --> 00:29:25,648 My mom, she is crying so hard and... she was hysterical. 351 00:29:25,649 --> 00:29:28,088 And she's asking us over and over, 352 00:29:28,089 --> 00:29:30,768 "Are you sure you want to go, are you sure you want to go?" 353 00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:33,808 I'm frustrated, "Why is my mother crying like that? 354 00:29:33,809 --> 00:29:36,009 "I've never seen her like that." 355 00:29:39,889 --> 00:29:43,128 Transport was due to leave, I'd get a message from the Germans - 356 00:29:43,129 --> 00:29:46,648 "We can't let the transport go unless you give us 357 00:29:46,649 --> 00:29:48,808 "so much more money." 358 00:29:48,809 --> 00:29:50,608 So they were terrible. 359 00:29:50,609 --> 00:29:52,488 We just had to find the money. 360 00:29:52,489 --> 00:29:55,649 I mean, it was an egg you couldn't unscramble any more. 361 00:29:57,289 --> 00:30:00,169 There's no way you can cancel a big operation like that. 362 00:30:20,329 --> 00:30:26,248 The last thing my dad said to me was I should be his brave, cheerful little girl. 363 00:30:26,249 --> 00:30:28,249 And I think I have been. 364 00:30:29,809 --> 00:30:32,289 And he said, "See you soon." 365 00:30:46,089 --> 00:30:50,248 My mother was beside herself. My little sister was crying. 366 00:30:50,249 --> 00:30:52,769 My mother wanted to hold her. 367 00:30:55,209 --> 00:30:58,888 She took my sister through the open window of the train. 368 00:30:58,889 --> 00:31:02,448 We kept on telling my mother to keep her. 369 00:31:02,449 --> 00:31:06,208 "Keep her, keep her," when she took her out of the window. 370 00:31:06,209 --> 00:31:10,368 And she held her. I know how much she suffered, really. 371 00:31:10,369 --> 00:31:13,048 I can just be sure... 372 00:31:13,049 --> 00:31:16,129 It just makes me cry when I think about it. 373 00:32:20,970 --> 00:32:28,249 Today you have to realise the sacrifice our parents did for us. 374 00:32:28,250 --> 00:32:32,850 They didn't know where they were sending us to. 375 00:32:36,810 --> 00:32:41,050 It was the courage of our parents to send their children away. 376 00:32:43,490 --> 00:32:46,329 Then the next day, when we were crossing Germany, 377 00:32:46,330 --> 00:32:48,649 we're passing through these railway stations 378 00:32:48,650 --> 00:32:53,130 bedecked with Nazi flags, uniforms. 379 00:32:54,290 --> 00:33:00,010 And there were big portraits of Hitler and the swastikas everywhere. 380 00:33:05,850 --> 00:33:08,089 We arrived at the German border. 381 00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:12,889 There were lots of Germans crowding around 382 00:33:12,890 --> 00:33:15,290 and we wondered what was going to happen. 383 00:33:18,410 --> 00:33:22,289 There was something very frightening about the way 384 00:33:22,290 --> 00:33:25,729 they walked into the cabin, looked at our luggage. 385 00:33:25,730 --> 00:33:29,011 There was a feeling that there was going to be trouble. 386 00:33:54,411 --> 00:33:58,650 We were terrified they would do something like maybe... 387 00:33:58,651 --> 00:34:03,330 arrest us. We didn't know. We had the biggest fears. 388 00:34:03,331 --> 00:34:05,410 We were dumbfounded. 389 00:34:05,411 --> 00:34:10,050 But finally they got off and we were delighted. 390 00:34:10,051 --> 00:34:11,971 We breathed a sigh of relief. 391 00:34:17,891 --> 00:34:20,970 We finally did reach the Channel coast and boarded a ship, 392 00:34:20,971 --> 00:34:24,650 and the ship just seemed huge to me because the only ships I'd ever seen 393 00:34:24,651 --> 00:34:27,090 before in my life were the little paddle steamers 394 00:34:27,091 --> 00:34:30,131 that went up and down the Danube in Bratislava. 395 00:34:35,771 --> 00:34:38,530 And, being little boys, we were fascinated by the ship 396 00:34:38,531 --> 00:34:41,930 and looking around, climbing up and down gangways 397 00:34:41,931 --> 00:34:44,331 and just running along all over the place. 398 00:34:46,051 --> 00:34:50,650 It was fun to go on a boat. I'd never been on a big boat... 399 00:34:50,651 --> 00:34:53,451 ..to cross the Channel. 400 00:34:55,611 --> 00:34:57,770 That night, as we crossed the English Channel, 401 00:34:57,771 --> 00:35:02,290 suspended for a few hours in the calmness of the ship rocking us to sleep, 402 00:35:02,291 --> 00:35:06,811 I heard voices from nearby cabins singing the Czech national anthem. 403 00:35:15,811 --> 00:35:19,650 Kde domov muj? Kde domov muj? 404 00:35:19,651 --> 00:35:23,330 "Where is my home? Where is my home?" 405 00:35:23,331 --> 00:35:28,252 It was a question that remained unanswered for many of us for years. 406 00:35:31,292 --> 00:35:36,212 The question that, for a few, remains unanswered to this day. 407 00:35:46,132 --> 00:35:50,371 Liverpool Street station. This is where we arrived in London. 408 00:35:50,372 --> 00:35:53,851 It's all changed, of course, except for all the noise. 409 00:35:53,852 --> 00:35:57,691 What I remember most is one of those little odd facts 410 00:35:57,692 --> 00:36:00,011 that stick in your mind your whole life, 411 00:36:00,012 --> 00:36:03,771 and that is getting off the train, that you didn't have to climb down 412 00:36:03,772 --> 00:36:06,411 to the rails as you did in Central Europe, 413 00:36:06,412 --> 00:36:08,931 but the platform was even with the train door 414 00:36:08,932 --> 00:36:11,932 and all you had to do was just step out. 415 00:36:13,732 --> 00:36:16,531 I was very, very impressed. 416 00:36:16,532 --> 00:36:20,931 'Liverpool Street station saw the arrival of another 'group of refugee children, 417 00:36:20,932 --> 00:36:23,491 'another piteous cargo thrown overboard by the ruthless 418 00:36:23,492 --> 00:36:26,011 'code of the modern European temper. 419 00:36:26,012 --> 00:36:29,172 'A special effort is being made to help the refugees on Mother's Day.' 420 00:36:30,972 --> 00:36:37,251 Then the train arrived and you had up to 200, 250 children getting out 421 00:36:37,252 --> 00:36:40,172 and you had to get the right child to the right family. 422 00:36:46,852 --> 00:36:49,691 And you had to treat it as a business. 423 00:36:49,692 --> 00:36:53,211 When you got the right child with the right family, the family had to 424 00:36:53,212 --> 00:36:56,972 sign for the child so that you had some proof of delivery. 425 00:37:17,212 --> 00:37:19,731 They assembled us kids in the corner. 426 00:37:19,732 --> 00:37:23,091 There were a bunch of grown-ups waiting behind the barrier, 427 00:37:23,092 --> 00:37:26,451 craning their necks, waiting to pick us up. 428 00:37:26,452 --> 00:37:29,172 A lady behind a wooden table called my name... 429 00:37:29,173 --> 00:37:31,332 "Ben Abeles!" 430 00:37:31,333 --> 00:37:37,413 A lady my mother's age came over, embraced me and kissed me. 431 00:37:49,693 --> 00:37:52,452 I remember when I arrived, 432 00:37:52,453 --> 00:37:55,932 having this uncomfortable string around my neck 433 00:37:55,933 --> 00:38:02,372 and a big placard on my chest and I just was totally alone 434 00:38:02,373 --> 00:38:06,092 with nobody around me, and I was obviously waiting 435 00:38:06,093 --> 00:38:08,892 for the family who I was going to to pick me up 436 00:38:08,893 --> 00:38:11,733 and I was just three years old. 437 00:38:15,213 --> 00:38:18,452 There was bound to be troubles and difficulties. 438 00:38:18,453 --> 00:38:21,972 Some children got left behind and the police looked after them 439 00:38:21,973 --> 00:38:24,652 until we could sort things out. 440 00:38:24,653 --> 00:38:27,973 It was fairly chaotic but it worked out. 441 00:38:32,533 --> 00:38:36,292 There were five boys sitting on suitcases, 442 00:38:36,293 --> 00:38:38,333 waiting for somebody to pick us up. 443 00:38:42,293 --> 00:38:47,892 Nobody picked us up. It was late at night and, uh... 444 00:38:47,893 --> 00:38:51,372 a taxi driver came over 445 00:38:51,373 --> 00:38:55,012 and asked us, "Have you been here since seven o'clock in the morning? 446 00:38:55,013 --> 00:38:57,492 "Are you hungry?" 447 00:38:57,493 --> 00:39:00,692 And he drove us not far away from the station, 448 00:39:00,693 --> 00:39:03,332 to a fish and chip shop. 449 00:39:03,333 --> 00:39:08,532 Later, he took us to his own wife and small child 450 00:39:08,533 --> 00:39:12,412 in a single-bedroom apartment 451 00:39:12,413 --> 00:39:16,053 in which he put us up - the five of us. 452 00:39:17,373 --> 00:39:22,972 English people as a people... are extremely kind 453 00:39:22,973 --> 00:39:26,893 and I would say the, uh... 454 00:39:29,853 --> 00:39:33,214 ..the poorer they were, the kinder they were. 455 00:39:35,454 --> 00:39:38,933 And we all were ushered into a big hall 456 00:39:38,934 --> 00:39:42,133 and there were hundreds of the children. 457 00:39:42,134 --> 00:39:45,573 And I was left sitting there... 458 00:39:45,574 --> 00:39:48,133 trembling at the knees. 459 00:39:48,134 --> 00:39:53,093 And suddenly the door opened and a little lady ran towards me, 460 00:39:53,094 --> 00:39:57,333 laughing and smiling at the same time, 461 00:39:57,334 --> 00:40:01,654 with tears streaming down her face as well and she hugged me. 462 00:40:03,174 --> 00:40:05,733 Mr and Mrs Num, 463 00:40:05,734 --> 00:40:11,573 the family that took us in, they were Methodists, farmers 464 00:40:11,574 --> 00:40:15,693 in Redgrave in Suffolk, East Anglia. 465 00:40:15,694 --> 00:40:20,333 Their cottage had a thatched roof. I'd never seen a thatched roof. 466 00:40:20,334 --> 00:40:23,093 My cousin and I went around the walls, knocking - 467 00:40:23,094 --> 00:40:25,214 we were afraid it may fall down! 468 00:40:26,854 --> 00:40:29,693 And, for instance, the toilet was outside. 469 00:40:29,694 --> 00:40:34,133 There was no electricity. And they were good to us. 470 00:40:34,134 --> 00:40:38,614 They were true Christians in the real sense of the word. 471 00:40:40,934 --> 00:40:44,893 And the only people who objected to what I was doing 472 00:40:44,894 --> 00:40:50,053 was when one day a couple of rabbis arrived at home 473 00:40:50,054 --> 00:40:56,293 and said that they understood that some of the good Jewish children 474 00:40:56,294 --> 00:40:59,733 I was bringing over to this country were going to Christian homes 475 00:40:59,734 --> 00:41:01,973 and that must stop. 476 00:41:01,974 --> 00:41:06,093 And I said, "Well, it won't stop and if you prefer a dead Jew in Prague 477 00:41:06,094 --> 00:41:10,773 "to a live one who is being brought up in a Christian home, 478 00:41:10,774 --> 00:41:13,093 "that's your problem, not mine." 479 00:41:13,094 --> 00:41:16,653 As the months passed, Winton knew the end was nearing and so 480 00:41:16,654 --> 00:41:21,654 he kept on pressing even harder for permits for more children. 481 00:41:24,574 --> 00:41:29,774 There were thousands of children on the list who wanted to get out. 482 00:41:31,655 --> 00:41:36,494 We had organised eight transports from Prague. 483 00:41:36,495 --> 00:41:39,854 No transport completed the operation. 484 00:41:39,855 --> 00:41:43,694 It was an operation without end. 485 00:41:43,695 --> 00:41:46,734 For the beginning of September, we had arranged 486 00:41:46,735 --> 00:41:51,934 our biggest transport which would have comprised 250 children. 487 00:41:51,935 --> 00:41:53,774 All the paperwork was done, 488 00:41:53,775 --> 00:41:57,254 all the families were prepared to take the children, 489 00:41:57,255 --> 00:42:00,775 all the children were waiting in the train. 490 00:42:34,575 --> 00:42:38,134 Our greatest regret was that our biggest transport, 491 00:42:38,135 --> 00:42:40,254 which was 250 children, 492 00:42:40,255 --> 00:42:43,054 which was due to leave at the beginning of September, 493 00:42:43,055 --> 00:42:46,454 was cancelled because war started. 494 00:42:46,455 --> 00:42:51,654 I was in London. We watched the planes coming over, dropping bombs. 495 00:42:51,655 --> 00:42:55,694 I remember the houses fell down 496 00:42:55,695 --> 00:42:59,894 like cards or domino sticks. 497 00:42:59,895 --> 00:43:01,495 Just collapsed. 498 00:43:08,575 --> 00:43:13,014 During the Battle of Britain, bombs were raining down on us every night. 499 00:43:13,015 --> 00:43:17,494 I was then an apprentice cook at the Bailey's Hotel in London 500 00:43:17,495 --> 00:43:20,094 as a dishwasher and pot washer 501 00:43:20,095 --> 00:43:25,135 and every night, practically, we ended up in the air raid shelter. 502 00:43:26,615 --> 00:43:30,054 My mother wrote us long letters. 503 00:43:30,426 --> 00:43:32,866 "My dearest children, 504 00:43:32,867 --> 00:43:37,307 "I'm very happy that you're over there and don't know about evil. 505 00:43:38,987 --> 00:43:43,266 "All Jews under 50 here must work in labour camps. 506 00:43:43,267 --> 00:43:48,547 "We will come through it somehow and you mustn't worry about us. 507 00:43:50,307 --> 00:43:52,787 "But I'm very happy that you are not here." 508 00:44:01,787 --> 00:44:04,786 We learnt about the concentration camps 509 00:44:04,787 --> 00:44:09,827 and the possibility that our parents might have been taken to them. 510 00:44:11,427 --> 00:44:15,946 We all hoped that nothing awful happened to them, 511 00:44:15,947 --> 00:44:18,587 that they were well. 512 00:44:19,987 --> 00:44:24,466 The last letter from my father came in 1942. 513 00:44:24,467 --> 00:44:28,386 He wrote that they had received orders to pack up, 514 00:44:28,387 --> 00:44:31,786 that they were being transported somewhere else. 515 00:44:31,787 --> 00:44:34,826 And in which he... 516 00:44:34,827 --> 00:44:36,827 wrote to his sons... 517 00:44:38,507 --> 00:44:40,706 ..telling them... 518 00:44:40,707 --> 00:44:45,426 not to forget the precepts they were taught at home. 519 00:44:45,427 --> 00:44:50,666 And he hoped the Almighty would allow us to grow up 520 00:44:50,667 --> 00:44:54,347 into just and decent men. 521 00:44:57,987 --> 00:45:01,227 And that was the last thing I heard from my parents. 522 00:45:30,027 --> 00:45:34,987 Nothing that happened prior to the war starting 523 00:45:34,988 --> 00:45:38,268 was really of any importance any more. 524 00:45:39,228 --> 00:45:41,027 What was done was done, 525 00:45:41,028 --> 00:45:44,907 what couldn't be done couldn't be done, what had been done was done. 526 00:45:44,908 --> 00:45:48,787 Once you can't stop a war and there is a war you, I suppose, 527 00:45:48,788 --> 00:45:52,308 go to the defence of your country and I joined the RAF. 528 00:46:20,858 --> 00:46:22,244 529 00:46:22,268 --> 00:46:24,707 ♪ There's a garden, what a garden 530 00:46:24,708 --> 00:46:27,147 ♪ Only happy faces bloom there 531 00:46:27,148 --> 00:46:29,547 ♪ And there's never any room there 532 00:46:29,548 --> 00:46:31,827 ♪ For a worry or a gloom there 533 00:46:31,828 --> 00:46:34,067 ♪ Oh, there's music and there's dancing 534 00:46:34,068 --> 00:46:35,907 ♪ And a lot of sweet romancing... ♪ 535 00:46:35,908 --> 00:46:41,867 We decided to go to town to see how everybody was celebrating and... 536 00:46:41,868 --> 00:46:44,987 Trafalgar Square, I remember, in London, 537 00:46:44,988 --> 00:46:49,107 where everybody went around putting up their two V for Victory. 538 00:46:49,108 --> 00:46:52,787 Everybody laughed. That was so gay. 539 00:46:52,788 --> 00:46:55,788 We were dancing with American soldiers. 540 00:47:03,748 --> 00:47:05,787 The war was over. 541 00:47:05,788 --> 00:47:07,787 But still no news of our families. 542 00:47:07,788 --> 00:47:11,267 Many of us came back to Czechoslovakia to look for them. 543 00:47:11,268 --> 00:47:14,867 I came to Prague, here to this building behind me, 544 00:47:14,901 --> 00:47:19,220 which served as a clearing house for separated families. 545 00:47:19,221 --> 00:47:23,900 Inside, wall upon wall filled with notices put up by people 546 00:47:23,901 --> 00:47:26,420 looking for their missing loved ones. 547 00:47:26,421 --> 00:47:29,340 Of my parents, though, not a trace. 548 00:47:29,341 --> 00:47:32,180 I know they were deported to Poland 549 00:47:32,181 --> 00:47:36,062 but to this day, I'm not certain how they came to die. 550 00:47:37,502 --> 00:47:43,421 My first stop in Prague was the house from which my parents were deported to Terezin. 551 00:47:43,422 --> 00:47:48,062 There was a minimal chance that they would have come back. 552 00:47:51,382 --> 00:47:56,862 I lingered for a while, as if I were waiting for them to appear suddenly. 553 00:47:59,622 --> 00:48:01,222 But in vain. 554 00:48:04,262 --> 00:48:06,501 My mother and my brother, 555 00:48:06,502 --> 00:48:09,981 together with about ten other children, 556 00:48:09,982 --> 00:48:11,582 arrived to Auschwitz... 557 00:48:14,382 --> 00:48:17,741 ..and were sent to the gas chamber. 558 00:48:17,742 --> 00:48:23,181 An old friend of the family who took care of the dead bodies 559 00:48:23,182 --> 00:48:26,581 immediately recognised my mother. 560 00:48:26,582 --> 00:48:31,381 He told her, "Take your children, go in, sit down in the corner 561 00:48:31,382 --> 00:48:34,341 "and start to sing with them. 562 00:48:34,342 --> 00:48:42,062 "Because if you sing and you inhale the gas, "you will die very quickly." 563 00:49:00,631 --> 00:49:08,498 564 00:49:53,983 --> 00:49:57,022 When my parents went to concentration camps 565 00:49:57,023 --> 00:50:01,502 and when they saw other children around them, young boys and girls, 566 00:50:01,503 --> 00:50:04,342 being taken to gas chambers and so forth, 567 00:50:04,343 --> 00:50:06,343 they must have then... 568 00:50:16,343 --> 00:50:18,943 They must have then realised what they... 569 00:50:20,983 --> 00:50:23,023 ..what they had done... 570 00:50:28,903 --> 00:50:30,943 ..when they sent the children. 571 00:51:00,463 --> 00:51:02,782 My family... 572 00:51:02,783 --> 00:51:04,862 my parents... 573 00:51:04,863 --> 00:51:07,902 none of these people survived. 574 00:51:07,903 --> 00:51:13,942 So after the war we had to continue living, to overcome the past. 575 00:51:13,943 --> 00:51:19,703 We were all young, we were beginning, we had to build careers. 576 00:51:21,263 --> 00:51:23,342 When you're young you take everything in life, 577 00:51:23,343 --> 00:51:25,462 including survival, for granted. 578 00:51:25,463 --> 00:51:28,862 As I grew older, though, I began to wonder more and more how it was 579 00:51:28,863 --> 00:51:31,862 that when so many died, our parents, friends, 580 00:51:31,863 --> 00:51:34,502 families and millions of others, 581 00:51:34,503 --> 00:51:37,383 how it came to be that we fortunate few 582 00:51:37,384 --> 00:51:40,623 on those trains from Prague were spared. 583 00:51:40,624 --> 00:51:45,743 That is, until 50 years later when this scrapbook surfaced. 584 00:51:45,744 --> 00:51:49,743 The scrapbook and its story gathered dust for decades 585 00:51:49,744 --> 00:51:51,383 in the Wintons' attic, 586 00:51:51,384 --> 00:51:55,463 until one day Nicky's wife, Grete, found it, opened it, 587 00:51:55,464 --> 00:51:58,903 became fascinated, and yet was puzzled. 588 00:51:58,904 --> 00:52:01,743 And so 50 years after it happened, 589 00:52:01,744 --> 00:52:08,224 Nicky Winton finally told his wife what he had for so long kept secret. 590 00:52:09,984 --> 00:52:12,743 And his wife went to London and she tried to 591 00:52:12,744 --> 00:52:16,903 give this story to several people 592 00:52:16,904 --> 00:52:18,783 but nobody was interested 593 00:52:18,784 --> 00:52:24,823 until she came to me. I was given the scrapbook and this list of names 594 00:52:24,824 --> 00:52:27,343 and I thought it was very moving 595 00:52:27,344 --> 00:52:30,783 because they were ordinary names 596 00:52:30,784 --> 00:52:34,423 of people and Czech children. 597 00:52:34,424 --> 00:52:36,863 For instance, Berman, Thomas, 598 00:52:36,864 --> 00:52:38,703 Bekefi, Jiri, 599 00:52:38,704 --> 00:52:40,703 Benedict, Ruth. 600 00:52:40,704 --> 00:52:43,583 And we wrote to every one of them 601 00:52:43,584 --> 00:52:50,663 and from these... over 600 names, we got 250 answers. 602 00:52:50,664 --> 00:52:53,503 And most of the children were delighted. 603 00:52:53,504 --> 00:52:55,343 They did not know who had saved them 604 00:52:55,344 --> 00:52:58,623 and they did not know their own story. 605 00:52:58,624 --> 00:53:04,503 It caught the eye of Esther Rantzen, who was working for the BBC. 606 00:53:04,504 --> 00:53:07,423 So we did some research 607 00:53:07,424 --> 00:53:10,823 and we managed to track down some of those children, 608 00:53:10,824 --> 00:53:12,863 now adults, living in England. 609 00:53:12,864 --> 00:53:15,023 We were absolutely thrilled. 610 00:53:15,077 --> 00:53:18,076 This lady said to me, "What's your name?" 611 00:53:18,077 --> 00:53:22,036 So I said, "Pinkasovic." 612 00:53:22,037 --> 00:53:26,677 When I saw my name and my brother's name printed in this... 613 00:53:28,117 --> 00:53:30,277 The biggest shock of my life. 614 00:53:33,237 --> 00:53:36,357 I couldn't speak, I couldn't breathe. 615 00:53:36,358 --> 00:53:39,478 I had goose bumps all over my arms. 616 00:53:41,518 --> 00:53:43,998 All these years, 50 years. 617 00:53:49,678 --> 00:53:54,557 Nobody knew who masterminded our rescue and then out of the blue, 618 00:53:54,558 --> 00:54:00,317 I was asked to take part in a television show - That's Life! - 619 00:54:00,318 --> 00:54:02,678 where, to my joy and... 620 00:54:04,398 --> 00:54:07,517 ..oh, such fulfilment, 621 00:54:07,518 --> 00:54:10,277 I came face-to-face 622 00:54:10,278 --> 00:54:13,237 with the man who saved my life. 623 00:54:13,238 --> 00:54:17,237 They got me there, in a way, under false pretences. 624 00:54:17,238 --> 00:54:22,398 I was sat in a seat which was focused on the camera and... 625 00:54:25,198 --> 00:54:27,037 ..I became part of this programme. 626 00:54:27,038 --> 00:54:30,477 I didn't know I was going to meet for the first time 627 00:54:30,478 --> 00:54:33,637 the children that I'd brought over so many years before. 628 00:54:33,638 --> 00:54:37,477 ..managed to save 664 children. 629 00:54:37,478 --> 00:54:41,837 This is his scrapbook. There are all kinds of fascinating pictures in it. 630 00:54:41,838 --> 00:54:45,117 Perhaps you can see - this is a picture of Nicholas Winton himself 631 00:54:45,118 --> 00:54:47,397 with one of the children he rescued. 632 00:54:47,398 --> 00:54:50,637 If you look at the very back of this scrapbook... 633 00:54:50,638 --> 00:54:53,957 Fascinating things in it, all the letters... 634 00:54:53,958 --> 00:54:57,917 But back here is the list of all the children. 635 00:54:57,918 --> 00:55:01,557 This is Vera Diamant, now Vera Gissing. 636 00:55:01,558 --> 00:55:04,597 We did find her name on his list. 637 00:55:04,598 --> 00:55:07,877 Vera Gissing is with us here tonight. Hello, Vera. 638 00:55:07,878 --> 00:55:10,517 And I should tell you that you are actually 639 00:55:10,518 --> 00:55:12,637 sitting next to Nicholas Winton. 640 00:55:12,638 --> 00:55:14,158 Hello. 641 00:55:39,959 --> 00:55:41,279 Thank you. 642 00:55:43,399 --> 00:55:45,878 I wore this around my neck 643 00:55:45,879 --> 00:55:50,718 and this is the actual pass that we were given to come to England. 644 00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,879 And I'm another of the children that you saved. 645 00:55:59,279 --> 00:56:04,278 Can I ask, is there anyone in our audience tonight who owes their life 646 00:56:04,279 --> 00:56:07,799 to Nicholas Winton? If so, could you stand up, please? 647 00:57:01,568 --> 00:57:04,001 648 00:57:04,073 --> 00:57:06,540 649 00:57:06,645 --> 00:57:08,975 650 00:57:09,037 --> 00:57:11,474 651 00:57:11,546 --> 00:57:13,775 652 00:57:14,199 --> 00:57:21,898 The handkerchief I'm holding goes back to 1939. 653 00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:29,038 My mother saw me off on the Kindertransport from Prague 654 00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:33,558 and she took a handkerchief out of her bag, 655 00:57:33,559 --> 00:57:39,479 in order to wipe my tears at our goodbyes. 656 00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:44,679 I knew I would never see my parents again 657 00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:51,600 and I've kept this handkerchief, newly laundered, ever since. 658 00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,719 I'm glad that I've shared my stories 659 00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:02,640 for the sake of being recorded for posterity. 660 00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:12,119 Sadly, I don't think the world has learnt lessons from the past. 661 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:17,799 Everybody has to learn to live with everybody else, 662 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,880 regardless of creed or religion. 663 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:28,239 I never thought what I did 70 years was going to have such a big impact 664 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,999 as apparently it has. 665 00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,519 And if it has now got a story 666 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:38,039 which helps people to live for the future, 667 00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,720 well, that will be an added bonus. 668 00:58:51,457 --> 00:58:53,857 669 00:58:54,594 --> 00:58:58,594 670 00:58:59,111 --> 00:59:04,111 57065

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