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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:25,400 [gentle wistful music playing] 4 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:52,600 [TV host 1] Katharine Hepburn. 5 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:53,560 [TV host 2] Katharine Hepburn. 6 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,280 -[TV host 3] Katharine Hepburn. -[TV host 4] Katharine Hepburn. 7 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:56,920 Four Oscars, which is more than anybody else. 8 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,320 [TV host 5] A true American eccentric. 9 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,120 [TV host 6] Every time somebody compiles a list 10 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,920 of the most admired women, there's Katharine Hepburn. 11 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,440 [Kat] She wasn't afraid to say, "I really just wanted to be famous." 12 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,160 [Robin] She would use her own intelligence 13 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,400 and her own savvy to negotiate deals and changes in scripts. 14 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,280 She's opening doors that she doesn't necessarily realize 15 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,560 are going to be there for other women to walk through. 16 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,160 [typewriter keys clacking] 17 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,600 [Glenn] She was one of the first women to wear pants 18 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,920 and to wear sometimes rather masculine-looking, 19 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,800 tailored clothes that women were not wearing. 20 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,920 [Angela Lansbury] She was told by the heads of RKO, 21 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,400 "No self-respecting actress would ever wear Dungarees in public." 22 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,800 She stripped them off and strolled through the lot in her undergarments. 23 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,480 [audience laughs] 24 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,600 [Katharine] The wardrobe is a self-indulgence, isn't it? 25 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,400 That everybody's been smart enough to copy. [chuckles] 26 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,120 [Mundy] Kate was always an intense person. 27 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,960 She was a lot of fun and fascinating and deep-thinking and mischievous. 28 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,520 "Come on, let's go break in that house and see what's in there." 29 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:06,120 [Katharine] I could get in anywhere. 30 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,520 The only time I nearly lost my life was dropping through a skylight. 31 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,040 Shoplifting. I didn't know that she ever did that. 32 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,520 No, she's not a shoplifter. She may be other things. 33 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,520 [Claudia] What happens to women's ideals and how they see themselves, 34 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,440 how they dream about themselves? 35 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,760 There's nobody more than Hepburn who tells you about that story. 36 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,520 Thank you, of course, to Ms. Hepburn. 37 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,040 The longevity of her career I think is inspiring to everyone. 38 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:39,880 [Angela] She dared to say no to how the system wanted to mold her. 39 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:41,920 Now, how you feel about being you? 40 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:43,920 I feel very good about it. 41 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,960 She confused the industry. She confused the movie-goer. 42 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:50,880 She confused the press. 43 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,560 Katharine Hepburn refused to be an influencer. 44 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:56,400 Influence yourself. 45 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,040 [gentle wistful music continues] 46 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,440 [Katharine] When I was starting out, all I wanted was to be famous. 47 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,640 But I soon realized that if I wanted to last 48 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,840 more than five minutes in this industry 49 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:09,600 and survive to tell the tale, 50 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,800 I had to put in the work to never stop pushing. 51 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,960 I still try to swim every day I'm out here. 52 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,880 It helps me get out of my head. 53 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,000 Feels like only yesterday I was just a child 54 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,560 climbing trees and fighting with the boys. 55 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,160 It's my safe place. Always has been. 56 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,640 Through it all, I always come back. 57 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,960 I've lived a good life. 58 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,680 I remember when I was young, 59 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,400 I'd look at old people and think, 60 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,000 "That will never happen to me." 61 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,280 But I tell you, it goes like... 62 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:53,720 [fingers snap] 63 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,560 You always call me Miss Hepburn. 64 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,080 So why don't you shift and call me Kate? 65 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,360 [gentle string music] 66 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,560 Now, here I am, and I've been here quite a long time. 67 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,320 The feet have a few more steps in them. 68 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:13,960 One leg is a bit shaky. 69 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,880 I keep bumping myself. I don't know what that means. 70 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:18,839 Certain things have maintained themselves. 71 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,640 I can see pretty well, and I still seem to have 72 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,880 a wild amount of energy that I can still go on. 73 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,080 But I can't tell you the things that have made me 74 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,640 do this or this or this. 75 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,000 You know, how the hell could I tell the story of my life? 76 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,520 [Dick Cavett] Katharine Hepburn, never having been on television, 77 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,040 she agreed to come into my studio for a test only. 78 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:44,960 No, I think I go the other way. 79 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:46,600 [Dick Cavett] She checked the cameras, 80 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,040 the lights, these chairs, the temperature in the studio. 81 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,360 She pronounced the carpet ugly. 82 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,280 -Can we have a table that's-- -John. 83 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:53,760 Nobody answers. 84 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:55,880 [Dick Cavett] Then she surprised me by suddenly saying, 85 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,600 "Why don't we just go ahead and do it now?" 86 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,360 I have a feeling that millions of people, 87 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,320 they feel that you probably have some guiding principles, 88 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,440 some secret that if only they knew them, 89 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,280 they could be as successful and as content as you seem to be. 90 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,600 But you say it's luck. That there aren't two or three rules. 91 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:16,320 No, well, I think it's in the first place, it's lucky if you have an intelligent 92 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,480 and brilliant and inspiring father and mother. 93 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:24,120 -Yeah. -And it's lucky if you've had experiences 94 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,000 before the age of 15, 95 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,240 which teach you not to be afraid. 96 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,760 [bright jazz music playing] 97 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,280 It's changed a lot around here since I was a kid. 98 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:56,960 I grew up wild and free with one brother Tom, older, 99 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,280 and my two younger, Dick and Bob. 100 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,840 Being a girl was a torment. 101 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,120 I would shave my hair every summer just like them. 102 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:06,480 I always wanted to be a boy. 103 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,880 Dad taught us gymnastics and how to swim and wrestle. 104 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,000 When I think back, it really was the most perfect, happiest of childhoods. 105 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,960 [bright jazz music continues] 106 00:06:24,280 --> 00:06:27,200 One of my earliest memories was that of my mother 107 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:30,200 getting me and my brothers to give out red balloons 108 00:06:30,280 --> 00:06:31,640 at the local fair. 109 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,520 She had a stall and asked us to hand out leaflets 110 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,240 promoting the women's vote. 111 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,600 Their radical beliefs caused quite a scandal in the town. 112 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,240 That was one of dad's gems. 113 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,840 Mother was one of the top debaters. 114 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,000 She was quick-witted and a lot of fun. 115 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,000 She would read us all the greats, 116 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,440 Bernard Shaw, Emerson, O'Neill. 117 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,000 Our house was a meeting ground 118 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,880 for all the progressive radicals of the time. 119 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,360 [Katharine, on tape] We kids were allowed in, 120 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,040 but we didn't do much talking. 121 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,920 We met Emmeline Pankhurst, Rebecca West, Richard Bennett, 122 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,080 any number of distinguished doctors and professors. 123 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,600 The door of our house was always open. 124 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,720 [Bonnie] She was the daughter of what we now consider progressive parents. 125 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,360 Her father was a doctor and he advocated birth control. 126 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,320 Her mom was a suffragette. 127 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,840 They told her basically, "You do what you want." 128 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,840 So she called herself by a boy's name. 129 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:27,640 I think it was Jimmy or Billy or something. 130 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,760 Cut her hair and she learned to play golf, she swam. 131 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,200 Because her parents say, "You just do what you wanna do. 132 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:34,680 I mean, we're not gonna stop you." 133 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,120 And so that's how she felt about her life. 134 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,520 [Katharine] All us children were incredibly close, 135 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,320 but Tom, Dick and I were inseparable. 136 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,360 [bright jazz music] 137 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,280 [ship horns blaring] 138 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,000 [Katharine, on tape] I've come to the conclusion it was an accident. 139 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,160 [Glenn, on tape] Based on the fact that your father 140 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:07,680 had taught him or kind of- 141 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,480 [Katharine] Taught him, taught us, to hang ourselves. 142 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:11,600 [Glenn] Just as a stunt. 143 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,520 [Katharine] As a stunt, and this was at games and various events. 144 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,120 -[Glenn] Had you ever tried it? -[Katharine] No. 145 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,760 [Glenn] But your brother, it would seem decided to try. 146 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,080 [Katharine] He was fascinated by it. He could do it. 147 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,400 [Glenn] Excuse me. I just wanna turn this over. 148 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,720 [Katharine] We were in New York visiting our aunt. 149 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,440 We went out to see a play one evening, 150 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:46,360 and when we came back, Tom, who was 16 at the time, 151 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,480 came to me before bed and told me how much he loved me. 152 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:51,760 I didn't think anything of it. 153 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,640 The following morning when I went to his room 154 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,400 to fetch him for breakfast, I found him hanging. 155 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,320 -Dead. -[gentle pensive music] 156 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,600 I took him down and lay his cold body on the bed. 157 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,480 I felt detached from everything that was happening around me. 158 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:17,720 I was devastated. 159 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:22,840 The hardest part about it all 160 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,400 was that we weren't only told to not talk about Tom. 161 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,320 We had to pretend that he was not ever part of our family, 162 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,240 to act as if he'd never lived. 163 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,520 This was how our father managed the family's grief, 164 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,880 to pretend it never happened. 165 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,400 [gentle pensive music] 166 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:50,720 [Mundy] They were an amazing, bright, capable, cohesive family. 167 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,360 But her father came from a different era. 168 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:24,600 The reality of what happened in the Hepburn household 169 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:27,040 was that everybody was horrified and quiet. 170 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,400 Dr. Hepburn loved his children, 171 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,520 he wanted to be a good father, 172 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:38,760 but he was really tough on his kids 173 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,800 in an idealistic way. 174 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:45,120 But by today's standards, really harsh, probably abusive. 175 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,000 You have to heat it slowly, 176 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:50,640 or else it'll pop. 177 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:57,360 I remember my mother talking about Tom's death, 178 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,080 and my mother said, 179 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:03,280 "Well, they told the newspapers it was an accident." 180 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,600 He had been to the circus a few days before 181 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:09,600 and watched a hanging thing where there was a fake way 182 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:13,640 to hang yourself and appear as though you were hanging. 183 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,440 But then... 184 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:17,720 That's what my mother said when I was young. 185 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,680 But then as time passed, I asked my father about it, 186 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,960 and that's when he said he remembered his father 187 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:25,800 sitting in the chair in the front hall, 188 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,680 the straight back chair with his head in his hands going, 189 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,000 "Why did he do it? Why did he do it?" 190 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:35,240 And my father said, "Well," to himself, my father said, "Well, you big ass. 191 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,040 It's because you were so mean to him." 192 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:45,200 Dr. Hepburn was on some level, aware of his contribution. 193 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,200 And to have his eldest son die of his own hand 194 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,880 was deeply troubling and obviously, horribly painful. 195 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,680 Our family had a lot of troubles. 196 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,080 Kate's mother's father committed suicide. 197 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:06,680 Dr. Hepburn's older brothers died under suspicious conditions. 198 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,760 But it was considered in bad taste 199 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:13,280 to go around with your tragedy evident. 200 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,440 So his way of being strong was to go, 201 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:22,480 "Well, it's a nice day. We got work to do. Let's go." 202 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,400 [Katharine's brother] Our father moved us to a new neighborhood 203 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,000 to try and help us all move on with our lives. 204 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,160 "A fresh start," he said. 205 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,400 But Tom's death seemed to separate Kate from the outside world. 206 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,320 She became more introverted and withdrawn, 207 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,360 like Tom was, sinking into a deeper kind of depression. 208 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,640 She told me she'd made a promise that she would never forget him 209 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,040 and would live her life secretly for the both of them. 210 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,280 She started getting anxiety attacks, which made her sick. 211 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,520 She found it hard being around the other kids at school. 212 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,240 So our parents let her be homeschooled. 213 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,320 Dad thought if they kept her busy, it would help. 214 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,760 But she started withdrawing into herself. 215 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,880 They eventually became so worried, they made her go back to school. 216 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:11,960 [Katharine] I hated college. 217 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:13,640 I wasn't used to the discipline, 218 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,760 the regular hours and classes. 219 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,720 I started getting into trouble for smoking and breaking into houses. 220 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,320 Anyway, after about two years, they called in my parents 221 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,720 and practically asked me to leave. 222 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,520 One night soon after, I decided that's it. 223 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,040 I'd pull myself together, get on with life, 224 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,280 but also do what I wanted. 225 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,400 In my junior year, I won a role in the school play. 226 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,360 Nerves, fear, applause. 227 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,800 I finally felt fascinating. 228 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:51,360 It was right there and then I decided to be an actress. 229 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:56,600 [Bob] Dad always felt that if a girl went into theater, 230 00:13:56,680 --> 00:14:01,520 it was as though she had announced that she was going to be a prostitute 231 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,440 and that she would not get anywhere 232 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,680 or any good jobs unless she slept with the director. 233 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,200 [Katharine] When I told my parents 234 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,920 I was moving to New York, dad hit the roof. 235 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,040 But mom was just glad to see me do something 236 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,320 other than what was expected of women. 237 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:23,760 She was a true feminist, and just told me to do what I wanted. 238 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,120 So I went. 239 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,480 And I had started out as an understudy, 240 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,800 and I was always a pretty good flash actor. 241 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,200 I could read a part without knowing what I was doing, 242 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:37,800 and I could always get a part. 243 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,480 Never could keep it, 'cause I would get so excited 244 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,400 that my voice would shoot way up in the top of my head 245 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,000 and I would get red in the face, talk too fast, 246 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:47,640 and couldn't act. 247 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,640 When they were all sitting out there, it just petrified me. 248 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,000 So I wrote Dad and said, "Would you back me with lessons?" 249 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,520 He wrote me and said he was winning bets on the golf course 250 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,200 and he considered that that was bad money, 251 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,200 so he'd send it to me. 252 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,440 [gentle bright music] 253 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,680 [Katharine] The first real friend I made there was Laura Harding. 254 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,360 I met her through my acting coach Robinson-Duff. 255 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,800 She was part of New York's High Society 256 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,880 and heir to the American Express fortune. 257 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,560 She knew all the highbrow customs of the time 258 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,640 and introduced me to her circle of friends 259 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,200 in the theater world. 260 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,840 Then Luddy, my old friend from back home, 261 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,360 moved to New York, and in no time at all, 262 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,320 he'd become part of our gang. 263 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,800 He was my beau, too, from then on, 264 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,360 and he was a real sweetheart. 265 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,840 He made it his mission to do everything he could 266 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:44,160 to make me a star. 267 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,760 He paid for lessons, drove me to rehearsals, 268 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,280 and helped me film my auditions. 269 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,200 [Robin] Kate was landing understudy roles 270 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,440 in some great plays, but she kept getting fired. 271 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,280 She finally had the chance to step into the leading role, 272 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,360 and after delivering an amusing line where the audience exploded with laughter, 273 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,520 her overconfidence found its way in. 274 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,680 Her voice rose to a high pitch and she spoke so quickly 275 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,120 that no one could even understand her through the remainder of the performance. 276 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,200 So she was fired. 277 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,840 [Katharine] After about a year of knock backs, 278 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,200 getting dropped from shows, and with only understudy roles, 279 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,840 I was just about ready to give up. 280 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,400 Sensing my sinking mood, Luddy proposed to me, 281 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,520 and I thought, you know, why not? 282 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,400 We had a simple wedding, and I even convinced him 283 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,080 to bring our friends, Jack and Laura on our honeymoon. 284 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,560 [Mundy] Kate wanted to do all the normal things 285 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,320 like have a life and have children and have a mate. 286 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:52,760 But when she really tried to do that with Luddy, 287 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,760 she realized that she was different, 288 00:16:55,840 --> 00:17:00,720 that her enormous energy would drive her insane very quickly. 289 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,640 And within two weeks, she needed to move back to New York 290 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,880 and continue her efforts. 291 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:12,760 And he, for his part, understood that he had married a mad woman 292 00:17:12,839 --> 00:17:14,480 with 10 times the energy, 293 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,119 and so he packed up and moved with her, 294 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,319 throwing his own life aside 295 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,400 and just going, "Whatever you want, Kate. Let's do it. 296 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,800 I love you. I'm gonna help." 297 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,840 [bright jazz music] 298 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,800 [gentle orchestral music] 299 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,040 [crowd chattering] 300 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:47,920 [Robin] Kate had understudied for Hope Williams 301 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,760 in several New York productions, 302 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:54,480 and she studied Hope's style and persona from the wings each night. 303 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,760 Her masculine dress sense in what Kate would call 304 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,720 the half boy, half woman persona. 305 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,080 Like a chameleon, Kate adopted some of these mannerisms. 306 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:08,000 So when Hope abandons The Warrior's Husband production, 307 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:09,800 Kate's given the lead role chance 308 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,640 and she channeled everything that she had practiced. 309 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,720 The play was a huge success and catapulted her into the public's eye. 310 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,600 [Katharine] I was finally starting to get the recognition I had craved. 311 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,680 My career skyrocketed. 312 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,920 My headshot was sent to L.A. 313 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,600 and I was asked to go out to test for a part in a film 314 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,280 called A Bill of Divorcement, 315 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:34,600 to be directed by George Cukor and starring John Barrymore. 316 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,160 I got a train with Laura 317 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,120 and we both arrived in L.A. in a hot, sweaty mess. 318 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,800 I don't think the head of RKO, David Selznick, 319 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,880 was very impressed when he picked us up from the station. 320 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,640 [gentle piano music] 321 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,320 -[camera beeps] -[reel clicking] 322 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,960 [Katharine] Every actor in America had gone up for this part, 323 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,280 and I knew George would've seen hundreds of tests. 324 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:02,600 So I decided to do something different, 325 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,440 a scene from Holiday. 326 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,200 I'd understudied Hope and watched her play that scene night after night, 327 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,960 and I took a lot of her into my performance. 328 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:12,800 I knew I'd made an impression. 329 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,800 John Barrymore came straight to see me after they watched it 330 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,560 to tell me what he thought. 331 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,000 I was going to be a star. 332 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:21,520 [camera beeps] 333 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,320 [Katharine] A few days later, the call came in. 334 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,600 Laura was to play the supporting role, 335 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:31,000 and I was given the leading part in my first ever picture. 336 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,680 Laura and I decided to move to Hollywood, 337 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,040 and that was the beginning of the end for me and Luddy. 338 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,200 [bells dinging] 339 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,560 [beeping] 340 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,320 [bright orchestral music] 341 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,280 [Katharine] Then shooting started on A Bill of Divorcement, 342 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:56,200 and the first shot was a party scene. 343 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,720 In a beautiful chiffon dress, 344 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:03,560 I came floating down the stairs and into the arms of David Manners. 345 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,720 [Robin] In her very first film she played John Barrymore's daughter 346 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,440 in a creaky melodrama called A Bill of Divorcement. 347 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:17,600 She was 24 making her film debut. He was 50, a long established star. 348 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,920 He was one of the famous Hamlets of his generation. 349 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,760 He was also an infamous alcoholic, a womanizer, 350 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:29,320 and like other powerful men in Hollywood, used to getting exactly what he wanted. 351 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,360 [Katharine, on tape] He asked me to come to his dressing room on the lot one day. 352 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,560 I went, and there he was lying on his couch 353 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,280 in a, what shall I say, comparative disarray. 354 00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:42,840 There was a pause, a quick shuffle of the blanket. 355 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,760 "Oh, oh, I'm sorry. See you later," he said. 356 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:51,560 I went, "Oh, my. How very strange." 357 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,280 I'll make it up to you. 358 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:55,320 [Katharine] Anyway, he was an angel after that. 359 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,560 His main object really seemed 360 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,520 to be absolutely certain that I made a big hit. 361 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,240 He held my face to the camera in our many scenes together. 362 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,600 [bird whistling] 363 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:08,840 What's that? 364 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:12,520 Nothing. 365 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,160 [plane whirring] 366 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,360 [Robin] After working on A Bill of Divorcement, 367 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,840 Kate and Laura became part of George Cukor's close circle, 368 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,960 attending his parties, making friends in the industry. 369 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,480 Kate said that George would always sit her next to people 370 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,320 that could help her in her career, 371 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,680 but no one in Hollywood knew she was married. 372 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,160 She was courting several big players in the industry, 373 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,040 including her agent, Leland Hayward, 374 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:41,200 who taught her the ins and outs of negotiating with the studios. 375 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,040 [interviewee] She was anything but a big star, 376 00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:49,200 but she treated herself like a star in the negotiations. 377 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,880 She wouldn't sign a term contract, 378 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,720 and her agent, Leland Hayward, wouldn't let her. 379 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,280 So she signed a contract 380 00:21:56,360 --> 00:22:00,000 that gave her a very big salary, $1,500 a week. 381 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:03,560 [Katharine] One day, I was hanging out between meetings 382 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,200 in Pandro's office, 383 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,400 and I spotted the script for Morning Glory on his desk. 384 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,840 I started to flick through it. It was incredible. 385 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,200 I called Laura and told her to drive over. 386 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,240 We read the script together and she was as convinced as I 387 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,040 that no matter what, I had to play the lead. 388 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:22,880 Leland told me they'd already cast it, 389 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,040 but I said, "No, it's for me." 390 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:29,360 Well, he went off and managed to get me the part. 391 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,000 [gentle string music] 392 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,480 Good morning, Tom. 393 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,080 [Robin] In 1933, she stars in Morning Glory, 394 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,840 and Kate was perfect for the role of a small town actress 395 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,840 who arrives in New York, hungry for stardom. 396 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,760 And in this performance, you really see Kate 397 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,040 trying to prove to the world that she could be a serious actress. 398 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:51,720 And all of you, be quiet. Be quiet. 399 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,280 [gentle string music] 400 00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:56,760 Romeo. Romeo. 401 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,920 Wherefore art thou, Romeo? 402 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,880 Deny thy father and refuse thy name. 403 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,680 [Robin] As the Katharine Hepburn Cultural Art Center, 404 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,720 affectionately known as the Kate, 405 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,640 the most significant contribution to our collection 406 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,840 was in February, 2020, when Ms. Hepburn's grand-niece, 407 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,080 Skylar Grant, gave to us several boxes of items 408 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,840 that had been at the Grant home in Fenwick. 409 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:30,720 Let's see. 410 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,440 To our delight, we opened the boxes and found dozens of letters 411 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,120 that Ms. Hepburn had written to her family, 412 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,800 as well as some wonderful photos. 413 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,720 I felt like her voice was in my head after a little while 414 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,240 of transcribing letters. 415 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,640 This is a very typical letter 416 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,760 that she would have written home to her mother. 417 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,640 This is from July of 1933. 418 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,400 Morning Glory is about to open, 419 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,360 and, you know, she's talking in this letter 420 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,120 about, "I hope people will like it." 421 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,040 "I hope," again, "it's well received." 422 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:03,720 And Morning Glory becomes her first Academy Award. 423 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,680 [Katharine, on tape] The first week or two that I was in Hollywood, 424 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,520 I got all my money in cash 425 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,960 and I put it in the bureau drawer and I spent it all. 426 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,560 And Dad said, "Where's the money? We'd better put it in the bank." 427 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,000 And I said, "It's gone." 428 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,400 So he said, "You better have them send it to me." 429 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:22,400 So until the day he died, he took my money and sent me an allowance. 430 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,560 [jovial piano music] 431 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,440 [Katharine] The press started calling Laura my other half, 432 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:30,760 because when things kicked off, 433 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,800 she helped take over every aspect of my life, 434 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,560 becoming my wardrobe designer, press agent, 435 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,560 and even negotiating with the producers and directors, 436 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,320 putting her career on hold to look after mine. 437 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,320 [jovial piano music continues] 438 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,480 [Robin] Kate was off to a flying start, making back-to-back films. 439 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,600 A Bill of Divorcement is a hit. 440 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,520 She's immediately offered a part in Christopher Strong. 441 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,920 Then she makes Morning Glory, which as we all know, 442 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,440 is a hit, and then "Little Women. 443 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,640 But in one of the letters in our collection, 444 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,800 she writes to her mother, "I'm not decided yet on 'Little Women,' 445 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,560 so I'm stalling about as long as possible." 446 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,520 It's going to be a long production. 447 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,320 It means she may have to give up theatrical roles 448 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,520 in New York if she decides to make the film. 449 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,160 It was never cut and dry decision making. 450 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,520 But Little Women became the most 451 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,880 commercially successful film that Kate made, 452 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,040 and the money she earned, still managed by her father, 453 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:28,440 allowed her to rent increasingly extravagant places. 454 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,040 [water sloshing] 455 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:35,600 [woman] "Dear Brimsl," 456 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,400 your house is beyond my wildest imagination. 457 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,680 I beg to see it and I'm wildly jealous 458 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,560 of that cat, Pollocks. 459 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,360 I wish you were here or I with you. 460 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,320 I dare not think of what I'm missing." 461 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,840 [gentle wistful music] 462 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,920 [Robin] There's a break where she goes 463 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,920 back to the stage and she makes The Lake. 464 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:02,240 This is not a success. 465 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,840 She actually has to buy her way out of this contract 466 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,040 so that she doesn't have to continue performing 467 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:10,360 in this production that is going nowhere. 468 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,880 She gives the producer every last cent that she had 469 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,760 in her checking account in order to get out of that contract 470 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,440 and get back to Hollywood. 471 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,520 [Katharine, on tape] That was a very, very difficult thing 472 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,080 for me to deal with. 473 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,080 From defeat, I learned you have to know a little bit what you're doing, 474 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,960 and you can't move on saying, 475 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,520 "Well, I don't want to go this way. 476 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,680 I'm going this way because you are pushing me." 477 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,000 Don't do that. 478 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,720 There's one person to blame, 479 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,920 and that is you. 480 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,600 Every girl has a time in her life when she's positive 481 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,520 she's divinely talented for the stage. 482 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:50,800 [Robin] After The Lake, 483 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,600 it's miss, miss, miss, miss, unfortunately. 484 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:54,840 Spitfire. 485 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,480 I'm the best thief in the country. 486 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,520 [Castmate] Oh, Trigger, you're sinful. 487 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,040 I ain't sinful. I'm hungry. 488 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:01,360 [Robin] The Little Minister. 489 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,920 I suppose one must be very clever to be a minister. 490 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,240 [Robin] Break of Hearts. 491 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,520 [dramatic emotional music] 492 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:12,800 Stop. 493 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,120 [Robin] And then Sylvia Scarlett. 494 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,920 But what a role in Sylvia Scarlett. 495 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,600 She portrays a young woman, masquerading as a young man 496 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,880 so that she can travel with her father. 497 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,600 And the transformation is amazing. 498 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,200 Oh, I say that's marvelous. 499 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,160 I say. 500 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,880 I wonder what it'd be like to kiss anybody with a mustache like that. 501 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,440 -I don't know. -Let's try. 502 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,600 [Robin] That was a movie that was very controversial 503 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,160 and unfortunately, I don't think a lot of people understood 504 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,720 the premise of the film, and so that was a miss. 505 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,840 Michael. Michael. 506 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,160 [Robin] They filmed a lot of the scenes outdoors and on the beach. 507 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,320 And that's where she meets Howard Hughes for the first time. 508 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,880 Howard was an inventor, a businessman, 509 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,640 a film producer, and he was a friend of Cary Grant's. 510 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,640 He wants to meet her, so he flies in, 511 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,040 and she thought it was so obtrusive. How dare he. 512 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:08,520 [waves crashing] 513 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,040 [Katharine] My relationship with Leland felt like it was getting serious, 514 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:17,680 and I felt awful for stringing Luddy along. 515 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,000 I knew it was time to let him go. 516 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,280 Poor Luddy. 517 00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:25,440 He had done everything to help me get to where I was. 518 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,520 I took his money, used his car, then broke his heart. 519 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,440 [Mundy] She was always friends with Luddy, 520 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,520 and I get the feeling, ultimately honest with him, 521 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,440 probably after being found out or something like that. 522 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:44,120 But I don't think that she ever worked to deceive. 523 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:49,760 And as she said, the attitude was, "I'm going over there. Get outta my way." 524 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,800 [cars whizzing] 525 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,280 This letter was as she was sailing to Mexico 526 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,680 for her divorce, to have it done hush hush. 527 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,800 And she's of course, sailing with her friend Laura. 528 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:09,880 She tells her mother, 529 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,320 "I hope we do not get bitten by snakes and tarantulas." 530 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,880 And, you know, she says here, "I've spoken to no one." 531 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,200 She would always tell her mother, 532 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,960 "Don't ever talk to the press," even before she was a star. 533 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,200 "Don't talk to anybody." 534 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,800 And it's when Kate returned to Hollywood, we presume Leland proposed to her. 535 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,360 But by then she had figured out she wasn't marriage material. 536 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,800 After she turned him down, he started to drift away. 537 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,840 Then the story goes one day while he was away in New York, 538 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,800 she received a telegram out of the blue 539 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,800 saying that he had married another actress. 540 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,480 [plane whirring] 541 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,600 [Katharine] I was heartbroken and couldn't stop crying. 542 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,480 But mother told me to stop moping and get busy. 543 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,200 So I accepted a theater role in Boston playing Jane Eyre. 544 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,120 I saw in the press that Howard was in town, 545 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,240 and I must have been lonely or something, because I invited him to dinner. 546 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,760 Then we had dinner every show thereafter. 547 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,840 He moved into the same hotel, 548 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,840 and then he followed us on tour. conducting his work on the telephone. 549 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,680 After the play finished, we headed back to California together, 550 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:21,160 and I moved into his house, proving that persistence pays. 551 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:27,400 [Toyah] Howard Hughes collected women the way most people collect ornaments. 552 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,320 And he had them scattered around Hollywood. 553 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,400 These young starlets that he promised work to, 554 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,400 and work never, ever came. 555 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:43,240 And Katharine had quite a long and very deep relationship with him, 556 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,400 and she held her ground. 557 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,040 [Glenn, on tape] Sounds like you two had a lot of fun together. 558 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,560 [Katharine, on tape] Yes, he was a good golfer, good tennis player. 559 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:52,640 [Glenn] Flew planes. 560 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:53,760 [Katharine] Yeah, yeah. 561 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,360 [Glenn] Even you flew one under the 59th Street Bridge. 562 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,160 Do you think it was that you liked his adventurousness? 563 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,280 [Katharine] I suppose he opened doors for me. 564 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,000 [Glenn] Were you an opportunist? 565 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,040 [Katharine] I think everyone is an opportunist. 566 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,800 If they have an opportunity to be opportunistic. 567 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,000 [both laughing] 568 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,920 [solemn ambient music] 569 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,200 [Bonnie] Katharine Hepburn scared people and she frightened people. 570 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,240 She was a threat. She was Lilith. 571 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,320 She was this thing that was going to come down and sort you out. 572 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,400 And oh, oh, by the way, guys, 573 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,600 she actually didn't need you to live either. 574 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,400 So in that arc of time, and we're talking about the middle '30s, 575 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,520 when she had three films in a row that flopped, 576 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,320 there was no mercy. 577 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,880 [Robin] The '30s killed a lot of careers. 578 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,560 She made a lot of bad movies and some movies that are terrific, 579 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,960 that weren't appreciated at the time, like Bringing Up Baby. 580 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,600 She said, "I think moviegoers thought I was just too la-dee-da. 581 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,840 And there were a lot of people who just wanted 582 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,080 to see me fall flat on my face." 583 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,520 [Katharine] My going rate had nose dived from 150,000 584 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,040 to Paramount offering me just 10,000. 585 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,720 Howard was pressuring me to accept. 586 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,880 He was worried about what people were saying about him. 587 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,960 It was the only offer I had, 588 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,960 but I knew it would be the end of my career if I took it. 589 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,720 So I called them back and declined, 590 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,520 then retreated back to Fenwick to figure out my next move. 591 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,400 [wind whooshing] 592 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,040 And then the hurricane came. 593 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,600 And we watched as our family home got swept up and carried down the river. 594 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,840 It was when Howard sent water over in a plane 595 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,800 but didn't visit, that I knew our relationship was over. 596 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,480 To say that I was feeling sorry for myself was an understatement. 597 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,800 [Mundy] Kate said to Mama, "Oh, I'm ruined. I'm done," and, 598 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,160 "they all are mean to me." 599 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,320 And Mama said to Kate, [laughs] 600 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:31,920 "You've gotten rich and famous, and now you're complaining about it. 601 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,920 You've been knocked down. Get up." 602 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,240 [Katharine] Not long after starting to rebuild our home, 603 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,760 the phone rang. 604 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,040 It was an old friend of mine, Philip Barry, the playwright. 605 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,200 He had heard I was back home and wanted to come 606 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,400 and pitch me a new idea. 607 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,040 So he joined me for tea and described in great detail 608 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,000 a play called The Philadelphia Story. 609 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,240 It was so good, I signed up right away. 610 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,520 Afterwards, I called Howard. We were still speaking almost every day, 611 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,520 and he told me to act fast and buy the movie rights 612 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:12,840 before the play opened. 613 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,600 So I did, and worked closely with Philip to finish the script. 614 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,040 [Claudia] She is a smart businesswoman. 615 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,960 She is in charge of this image that she presents, 616 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,080 and she has a friend called Philip Barry. 617 00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:30,040 And he writes this play when she has no movies to make 618 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,480 called Philadelphia Story. 619 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,080 And she reads it and says, "Not only am I playing this role, 620 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:38,560 I'm investing in the Broadway production, 621 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:40,639 and I'm buying the movie rights," 622 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,120 which has gotta be one of the most brilliant 623 00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,320 business decisions any woman in movies ever made. 624 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,400 Never mind a movie star in movies. 625 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,280 She borrows the money, as I understand it, 626 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,800 from Howard Hughes, but she gets the movie rights. 627 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,040 She's a huge hit on Broadway. 628 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,800 Everything is looking good again, 629 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,160 and she sells the movie to MGM. 630 00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:02,400 The studio of studios in Hollywood to Louis B. Mayer. 631 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,360 She can insist on being the star, which is obvious. 632 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,000 She can tell him what director she wants, which is Cukor. 633 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,920 She knew what she wanted exactly, 634 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,360 but she was officially box office poison. 635 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,720 [Bonnie] What male was box office poison? 636 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,440 I can't think of anybody. 637 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,680 I mean, it was even known that John Barrymore, 638 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,120 who was a big star, was a drunk. 639 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,680 He wasn't box office poison as far as the industry was concerned, 640 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,920 but she was box office poison. 641 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,880 So she's what's called a Yankee, 642 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,240 and I mean it not the way Southerners call people in the north. 643 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,680 She was actually a form of American aristocracy. 644 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,280 It was the Depression. 645 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,440 And people are like, "What the? I can't even eat." 646 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,680 And then this voice comes through, 647 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,240 so Americans could hear in her voice 648 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,080 that she had money and that she was highly educated. 649 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,680 Would you care to see me do the sleepwalking scene from Macbeth? 650 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,920 No. Oh, Paul, damn it. 651 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,040 Well, the teachers at Ms. Porter's school thought it was very promising. 652 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:12,280 [Bonnie] She had to change herself so that she was acceptable to the industry 653 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,960 and acceptable to viewers. 654 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,640 She had to find her heart. She had to find her soul. 655 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:18,160 She had to come down a peg. 656 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:21,840 And that's why Philadelphia Story," the beginning of it is so exquisite. 657 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,160 [bright uplifting music] 658 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,920 [tense suspenseful music] 659 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,680 [Bonnie] First shot, first shot, first shot. 660 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,280 Before there's no word spoken. Cary Grant pushes her down in the door. 661 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,200 [Katharine thuds] 662 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,720 That's what guys wanted to do to her. 663 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,720 Guys wanted-- the minute she opened her mouth, 664 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,120 they wanted to take a pie and go, "Shut up." 665 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,120 Or... [grunts] 666 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:55,920 She thought, "Well, let me just do it." 667 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,320 So she did it. 668 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,480 [Mundy] After that, it's like, ooh, she's a force to be reckoned with. 669 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,080 She thinks big. She's got brains. 670 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,160 Now let's see what's next. 671 00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:11,560 [gentle ethereal music] 672 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,840 [Katharine] My friend Garson sent me a new idea he had had 673 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,960 that his brother was working on. 674 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,480 It wasn't finished, but I could already see it had great potential, 675 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:25,160 and I knew at this point in my career, I had to strike while the iron was hot. 676 00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:28,040 I ripped off the front page that had their names on, 677 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,960 and put on a new front page with Philadelphia Story II 678 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,120 scribbled on it with a big question mark before sending it on to Mankiewicz. 679 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,720 I told him if he was interested, 680 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,760 to get back to me in 24 hours or I'd go elsewhere. 681 00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:45,880 He told me to head out to LA for a meeting with Mayer and himself as soon as I could. 682 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,280 So I caught a Stratoliner out straightaway. 683 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,920 [Katharine, on tape] Mayer, shrewd as hell, 684 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,040 used flattery for all it was worth. 685 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,160 Inside I was nervous, 686 00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:59,280 but I held firm and told them what I wanted. 687 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,080 One hundred thousand for the story and script. 688 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,000 One hundred thousand for myself to star in it, 689 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,240 and 10,000 for my commission. 690 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:11,360 The room went quiet. 691 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,480 They tried to offer me 175,000, 692 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,440 but I refused. 693 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,440 I held my nerve, 694 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:23,040 and when I sensed Mayer might back out, insisting I tell him who wrote it, 695 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,640 I doubled down even more, 696 00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:27,000 telling him I was taking offers only. 697 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,920 And if he was interested, I would send him the finished script 698 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,520 over in a couple of days. 699 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,120 Now, knowing there was genuine interest, we locked ourselves away. 700 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,240 Ring, Mike, and I worked together to finish the script, 701 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,640 delivering it to them a few days later. 702 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:46,640 -[solemn music] -[typewriter keys clack] 703 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,120 [Robin] The purchase of the script for Woman of the Year by Mankiewicz and Mayer 704 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,200 would make it at that time, a record for an original screenplay. 705 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,520 And they had no idea until after they had signed 706 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,000 the contract that it had been by two novice writers. 707 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,600 Kate wanted Spencer Tracy to play the leading man. 708 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,520 She greatly admired him as a person, as an actor. 709 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,920 She always called him an actor's actor. 710 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,160 After she did some digging around and found out 711 00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:18,560 that he had a window of availability, she got him. 712 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,360 [Larry King] Spencer Tracy, he comes into her life 713 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,160 through making a movie with her. 714 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:24,440 [Katharine Houghton] Yes, they made Woman of the Year. 715 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,280 And by the way, that story about when they met, 716 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,760 she supposedly said to him, "Well, you are not very tall." 717 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,120 And he supposed to have said, "I'll cut you down to my size." 718 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,080 You remember that story? 719 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:38,560 -[Larry King] Is that true? -[Katharine Houghton] No. 720 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,480 She used to wear three inch platform shoes to make herself terribly tall. 721 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,600 So she said, "You are not as tall as I thought you were." 722 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,920 And Joe Mankiewicz said, "Don't worry, Kate. 723 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,120 He'll cut you down to his size." 724 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,160 [Katharine] I heard after our meeting that Spence told Garson 725 00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:58,640 he found me to be a strange creature. 726 00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:03,000 Apparently he didn't like that I had a rather ambiguous sexuality, 727 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,840 dirty fingernails, and always wore pants. 728 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,000 I just think he found me rather unattractive 729 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,640 and disappointing and thought, "Oh my God, what am I stuck with?" 730 00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:15,240 I guess he thought I was a lesbian, but found out pretty quickly 731 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,040 that I had no problems with the opposite sex. 732 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,840 Anyway, he signed up for the film, and after that, in my career, 733 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,560 I'd never again budge on something I believed in. 734 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,240 [energetic orchestral music playing] 735 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:34,880 [Claudia] I love Woman of the Year. 736 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,520 It's again, a script written for her. 737 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,200 And every cliche of male, female relationships 738 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,000 is ironically reversed in this movie. 739 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,600 She's the important woman 740 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,680 having a life of not only independence, but importance, 741 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,760 dealing with world politics at a time of war. 742 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,080 She's this new female ideal. 743 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,200 Shill. 744 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,560 Spencer Tracy is the sports columnist 745 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,520 for the same newspaper where she's the political columnist. 746 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,640 Their chemistry was clearly obvious for everyone to see. 747 00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:09,640 What are you trying to prove? Why am I here? 748 00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:11,760 -Well, Sam-- -After all, you know, a little normal 749 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,120 could have driven you down here. Why did you ask me? 750 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,280 Thought you might wanna kiss me goodbye. 751 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,960 [Claudia] Their first kiss on screen is mostly hidden 752 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,920 by the way it's shot from behind his head with his face hidden 753 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,120 and with his hat brim hiding her face almost completely. 754 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,120 [Glenn, on tape] You say that you found the true meaning of love. 755 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,400 [Katharine, on tape] Yes. No question that that's true. 756 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,200 [Glenn] How quickly did you fall in love? 757 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,640 [Katharine] I would think almost immediately. 758 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,160 [Claudia] When Woman of the Year was playing at Radio City in 1942, 759 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:46,680 the gossip columnist Sheilah Graham managed to tell her 760 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,480 thousands of readers that Tracy and Hepburn 761 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,520 got on like a house of fire, 762 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,720 and the love scenes in the picture are extremely convincing. 763 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,560 [gentle romantic music] 764 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,600 [interviewer] What attracted you to Spencer Tracy? 765 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,360 [Katharine, on tape] His sense of humor. 766 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,440 He had a wonderful sense of humor, a remarkable memory. 767 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,360 What attracted me to Spencer Tracy is... What's the word? Magic. 768 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,040 [Claudia] It was adultery, of course. 769 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,600 Tracy was married, but had been having affairs for years 770 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,040 before Hepburn showed up, 771 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,080 which was an open secret apparently in Hollywood, 772 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,680 although not at all bandied about in the press. 773 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,920 [Mundy] Kate was harried by the press, 774 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,600 and she learned very quickly to keep them at arm's length. 775 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,200 And it was a fun game I think also, 776 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,480 to be terribly important and don't let anybody know, 777 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:57,760 and let's sneak over here. 778 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:03,320 And it's a fun game to feel wanted, to feel important. 779 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,920 [tape whirring] 780 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,040 [Glenn, on tape] He told me the rumors in the early '30s 781 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,520 were she must be a lesbian. 782 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:19,560 [Katharine, on tape] Yes. 783 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,280 [Glenn] Because she's so aggressive and she wears pants, 784 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,560 and in those days, you didn't give interviews. 785 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,480 [Katharine] Well, I didn't want to give interviews 786 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,760 because I thought, "No use talking about something 787 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,040 until you know whether it's any good." 788 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:36,160 Then when I found out that it was okay, then I didn't need to talk to him. 789 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:38,640 [both chuckling] 790 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,400 [Katharine] People were always gossiping about Laura and I. 791 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,680 The director Mark Sandrich eventually told me 792 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,640 that he might have been the one responsible 793 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:52,200 for starting this rumor after he overheard Laura on the phone at the studio 794 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,560 trying to get hold of me, referring to herself as my husband. 795 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,800 [Mundy] Oh, was she a lesbian? I don't know. 796 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,760 She was probably everything and maybe nothing. 797 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:06,360 She was whatever you dream her to have been. 798 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,080 Because that's the point. 799 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,960 Like, if a guy's too nice, he must be gay. 800 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,240 If a woman's too aggressive, she must be gay. 801 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,560 Well, as Kate would say, "What a bore." 802 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,000 The whole thing is so boring. 803 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,240 You can't know, and it's none of your business 804 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,320 and who the hell cares, anyway? 805 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,560 [gentle bright music] 806 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,600 [Claudia] She certainly didn't mind the speculation 807 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,440 about who she was dating or how significant it was 808 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,720 that she wore slacks all the time. 809 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,960 It kept people guessing about her and talking about her. 810 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,080 But when it came to scripts, she knew exactly what she wanted, 811 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,480 and she went back to the theater 812 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,560 to do another Philip Barry play called Without Love. 813 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,840 She tried to get the producers in New York to hire Tracy 814 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,200 to co-star with her, but they were worried about his drinking. 815 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:55,960 That was hard. 816 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,240 Working together was a pleasure on its own, 817 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,000 but it was also an excuse 818 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,920 for being together without sneaking around. 819 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,600 [Larry King] Was that love affair a secret? 820 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,520 [Katharine Houghton] It had to be Larry, because of his being married. 821 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:15,040 And I don't think that either one of them wanted to bring attention. 822 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,000 [Larry King] So how did they pull it off? 823 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,080 [Katharine Houghton] They worked very hard at it. 824 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,920 Never staying in the same hotels, 825 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,040 going in back doors. 826 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,320 My aunt went up lots of fire escapes, 827 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,760 climbed in and out of windows across roofs. 828 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,360 [Katharine] It took me until I was 33 years of age 829 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,160 to fall in love and know what it really meant. 830 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,160 His needs came before mine, 831 00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:43,640 and I looked for his approval with everything that I did. 832 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,560 [bright lounge music] 833 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,840 [metal sign creaking] 834 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,240 [Joe] He was pretty quiet, my grandfather. 835 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,360 Strong silent type, you know? 836 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,480 But he actually took time to take me out in the yard 837 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:12,560 and play Frisbee. 838 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,600 And, you know, he offered to take me places, 839 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,800 but my grandmother wouldn't let me ride in the car with him 840 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,480 because he was a fast driver 841 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,240 and whatever other reasons she might have had. 842 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,280 When I started drinking, my mom would tell me 843 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,000 about alcoholism in the family and how it's hereditary. 844 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:34,000 And then Spencer, when I had questions about his health, 845 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,880 it was blamed on damage he did 846 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,520 from drinking and from depression and anxiety. 847 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,960 Having my dad, having a deaf son, 848 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:48,640 and then Catholic guilt for his relationship problems. 849 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:51,800 And he actually felt guilty that he became an actor 850 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,120 instead of a father in the Catholic church. 851 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:55,840 He said, "You should have more respect for your plumber." 852 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,600 You know, "They do more for you than an actor ever will." 853 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,360 [gentle somber music] 854 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,200 [Claudia] It wasn't the fairy tale that they later presented it as being. 855 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,360 Spencer the alcoholic. 856 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,320 Spencer who couldn't work on a set 857 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,000 without her being there to help control him. 858 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,880 [gentle morose music] 859 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:20,160 [Katharine Houghton] Sure, it was a tempestuous or complicated relationship. 860 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,440 And fiery. 861 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,480 He could be often tough on her, 862 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,880 and I think that was the only person she allowed 863 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,320 to get away with that. 864 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,640 [Katharine, on tape] Spencer had found life very difficult. 865 00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:38,720 He felt that the miseries that he brought on people 866 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,920 were avoidable and that if he hadn't existed, 867 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,960 the world would've been better off. 868 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,480 That's a heavy load to carry. 869 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,200 [woman] "Dearestt Brimsl, how are things for you? 870 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,800 I know so little about you these days, 871 00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,640 what you are thinking and how you are. 872 00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:01,560 I hope you are well and you're about to start on the new picture. 873 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,560 I send my love and lots of it." 874 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,800 [Robin] Although Kate was making time 875 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,920 to look after Spencer, she still was challenging herself, 876 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,440 looking for interesting scripts, things that she could put her stamp on. 877 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,320 When she got the script for Keeper of the Flame in 1943, 878 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,040 it was a controversial idea for the time. 879 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,680 Not only was this script smart and incredibly dramatic, 880 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,640 but there had never been a film depicting women in this way. 881 00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:31,160 A woman going to trial for murder. 882 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,400 [Katharine] The character of Christine 883 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,080 was a mature, complex woman. 884 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,560 Fully rounded, not another girl like in so many of my other films. 885 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,520 So I jumped at the chance to play a real character 886 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,360 with real life experience. 887 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,200 [Robin] Keeper of the Flame was another classic Tracy, Hepburn pairing. 888 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,920 And I think it particularly inspired Kate, 889 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,560 because there had been an unspoken rule in Hollywood films 890 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,080 that a woman could never get away with murder. 891 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,480 Kate wouldn't settle for this, and she rewrote the ending of the film. 892 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,520 But when she submitted the new ending, 893 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,240 the writer refused to budge , and that was that. 894 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:14,760 [Katharine, on TV] Senator Kennedy has just introduced 11 bills 895 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,160 in the state Senate, which if passed, 896 00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:22,920 will set California education back 50 years. 897 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,080 These men have learned well 898 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:31,160 that the hand which rocks the cradle 899 00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:33,040 shakes the world. 900 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,960 [Robin] Kate had been cautious to engage 901 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,880 in the public domain, but by the end of the '40s, 902 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,280 the House Un-American Committee concerned with moral decline 903 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,480 had introduced new censorship laws across the arts. 904 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,800 This was Kate's world, and she disagreed completely. 905 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,680 So she stood up and she spoke. 906 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,600 [Katharine] I did it because I believed in it. 907 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,040 I had the full support of my parents who believed 908 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,560 the only advantages of my position was the voice it gave me 909 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,360 to uplift others without it. 910 00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:08,400 It wasn't about politics. It was about censorship. 911 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,520 Spence disapproved of actors meddling in public affairs. 912 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,080 And again, the press sought to drag me through the mud, 913 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:15,680 branding me pink. 914 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,560 I didn't work for the rest of the year after that. 915 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:24,200 Garson called with a new script he had written for us, Adam's Rib. 916 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,480 It represented everything I believed in, 917 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,160 and I worked closely with him on the script. 918 00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:31,840 With Spencer on board and George directing, 919 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,360 it was nice to have all my friends back working together. 920 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,640 Good morning, Mr. Hurlock. 921 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:40,040 Good morning. 922 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,600 Do you believe in equal rights for women? 923 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,400 -What? -Objection. 924 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:45,800 [Claudia] Adam's Rib is one of the movies 925 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,040 where she really gives voice to the idea of women's equality, 926 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,040 loud and clear and blatant, 927 00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,240 because she's arguing for it in court. 928 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,760 She has continual speeches about what would you do 929 00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,200 to a man in this position? 930 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,000 Why wouldn't you do that to a woman in this position? 931 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,960 In fact, women's equality is not only a subtext of the movie 932 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,920 the way it always is with her, but the subject. 933 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,840 This poor woman, isn't she entitled to the same justice, 934 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,560 I mean, that's usually reserved for men? 935 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,000 The same unwritten law that got Lenahan off. 936 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,480 [Robin] Kate was becoming known for playing 937 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,640 characters who defied society's expectations. 938 00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:23,240 And this was what she was doing in her own life. 939 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,480 She was living very differently from most women 940 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,680 who were settling down and having children. 941 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,040 [Glenn, on tape] Had you wanted children, would you have married? 942 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,200 [Katharine, on tape] Yeah, I would've, 943 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:35,600 but I would have led a totally different life. 944 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:40,880 I wouldn't have worked, 'cause I felt that it was a tremendous job 945 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,000 to bring up children carefully. 946 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:47,280 -But I wanted to be filmed and a star. -[laughter] 947 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,680 [Glenn] And you are. 948 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:54,400 [Katharine] Yes, but I mean, and one pays the price, I think. 949 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,880 [Glenn] And the price though, was it any lonelier for you, do you think? 950 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,280 [Katharine] No, I don't think so. I don't think, I'm not the lonely type. 951 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,160 [TV host] I know the whole story. 952 00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,720 Sam Spiegel told Bogie, he had Huston and Hepburn, 953 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,040 And he told Huston he had Bogart and Hepburn. 954 00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,800 And he told Hepburn he had Bogart and Huston 955 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,600 before he had any of them. 956 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,520 And that's how he got all of them. 957 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,040 [crowd laughs] 958 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,800 [Katharine] Sam Spiegel sent me C.S. Forester's The African Queen," 959 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,000 to see if I would consider playing Rose in the adaptation. 960 00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:39,560 It was excellent, and I met right away with John Huston and Sam. 961 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,440 At that point, they weren't sure who was going to play the man, 962 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,600 but thought it should be an authentic Cockney. 963 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,920 But once they thought of Bogie, there was no one that could compete 964 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,400 with his personality and looks, so they changed the character to Canadian. 965 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,600 Heading out to Africa felt foreboding. 966 00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,840 I still hadn't seen a completed script, 967 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,920 but Bogie who had worked with John before said, 968 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,280 "Don't worry, this is the way he does it." 969 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,120 I said, "Wow, this is getting a bit tight." 970 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,080 He said, "You'll see. It'll be worth it." 971 00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:19,200 [Angela] It was in those days called continuity. 972 00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,320 That's me, Katie Hepburn, 973 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:34,040 Humphrey Bogart, Lauren Bacall, John Huston. 974 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,360 We were all bitten, as I used to say, 975 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,880 bitten to buggery by all these flying insects. 976 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,040 Well, I was young, so it was all a new experience. 977 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:51,760 I mean, the camp was literally hacked out of the jungle. 978 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,880 The boys would play cards or what. There was nowhere else to go. 979 00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:01,360 But Katie, she kept to herself and read and learnt her lines 980 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,360 and things like that. 981 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,360 She was very disciplined, but she'd be quite bossy. 982 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,120 I mean, John, I suppose you could say he certainly 983 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,240 wasn't methodical in the way she was used to. 984 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:17,560 One day we had the famous morning. We'd traveled up the river and everything. 985 00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,920 We're doing this scene and he said, "Print it." 986 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,160 And she said, "But you weren't looking." 987 00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:27,120 She said, "But John, you weren't-" "But I was listening, Katie." 988 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:31,160 "That's not the same. I wanna do it again." 989 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,480 Well, we turned the boat around. 990 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,400 We managed to decapitate the boiler and everything else 991 00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,080 with all the trees. 992 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,000 So that took about four or five hours to put the boat back together again 993 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,040 and do the scene. 994 00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,680 We used the original, actually, in the film. She never knew. 995 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,040 That way. 996 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,000 Pull her over. 997 00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,240 [gentle somber music] 998 00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,960 [Mundy] Kate's mother was very bright, very capable, 999 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,840 very original thinking, 1000 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:16,480 and really held the family together by being a skilled negotiator. 1001 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,400 She could handle Hep. 1002 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:23,480 And she had a brain hemorrhage and abruptly died 1003 00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,080 at the age of 72. 1004 00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,440 Everybody was in shock. 1005 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,720 It was a horrific moment. 1006 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,800 Later when her father died, 1007 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:37,040 she by then had a little experience with death. 1008 00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,360 But after Kate's mother died, 1009 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,880 she basically overdosed on work. 1010 00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:46,040 'Cause if there's one thing Kate has, it's nervous energy. 1011 00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,880 And so the pain turns into, 1012 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,640 "Okay, I'm gonna make it right. I'm gonna fix it." 1013 00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:55,920 And it's possible to fix it so much that you collapse. 1014 00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:06,960 [Claudia] One knows that she had certain nervous afflictions. 1015 00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:10,480 And there's the story about The Millionairess in London 1016 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,520 where she apparently was having a nervous breakdown 1017 00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:13,840 while she was playing it 1018 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:18,640 where she couldn't speak and all this with her throat. 1019 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,320 She was increasingly manic, 1020 00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,400 and then eventually in New York, she checked into a hospital. 1021 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,760 But there she was performing night after night after night. 1022 00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,960 [Mundy] My mother said there was a waste basket where you'd get on stage. 1023 00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,920 And now and again she'd puke in the waste basket, 1024 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,360 'cause she was so wired and scared and, "Oh, my God, what'll they think? 1025 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,280 I've got to do a good job." 1026 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:44,960 And so she'd puke. 1027 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,720 And then as my mother said, she'd go on stage 1028 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,480 and be absolutely brilliant, 1029 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,080 and she'd come backstage and she'd grab me by the shoulders, 1030 00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:54,880 "Was I any good? Was I any good?" 1031 00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,440 [Katharine] I always felt they were out to get me 1032 00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,440 and that I better be good. 1033 00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:04,960 And I still think I'd better be good. You know, I struggled to do my best. 1034 00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,080 -[TV host] I understand that. -I struggled for days to... 1035 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,720 do my best for this. Do you know what I mean? 1036 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,240 And I don't think you ever feel like anything. 1037 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,520 You feel like a bore. 1038 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,320 You know, don't you? Or, do you feel fascinating? 1039 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,600 [TV host] No, I feel like a bore a good most of the time. 1040 00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,040 Like a bore. Like a bore. 1041 00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,440 Then you think, "My God, they're gonna find out 1042 00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,440 what a bore I am, and then that'll be a terrible thing." 1043 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,720 [Robin] "I am delighted to know that not only 1044 00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,360 did you survive the African expedition, 1045 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,640 but you got so much fun and only a little disease out of it. 1046 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,120 I wish I could write this minute dash for London 1047 00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,560 and be with you for a couple of weeks." 1048 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,680 The Millionairess was a huge hit for Hepburn in London, 1049 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,320 but she optioned the film rights, she worked on a screen adaptation 1050 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,760 and she pushed the script to everyone she knew 1051 00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,040 who had some power in the business. 1052 00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:01,120 She offered to work for free and pay the director out of her pocket 1053 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,480 if anybody would make a movie of this. 1054 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:05,800 No one bought it. 1055 00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,240 [Katharine] I wish I'd never given up on it. 1056 00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,480 It's that strange thing that time does. 1057 00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,960 I had forgotten all the doors shut in my face before then. 1058 00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:17,680 All the no's. 1059 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,680 It had never stopped me before. 1060 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,720 But this time I gave up too quickly. 1061 00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,760 [Robin] Kate reached out to Constance Collier 1062 00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,240 and asked if she would coach her for her upcoming Shakespeare tour. 1063 00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:31,960 She had helped Kate on The Millionairess. 1064 00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,480 and had become not only a friend, but a confidant. 1065 00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:35,840 So Constance headed to London 1066 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,360 with her trusted assistant, Phyllis Wilbourn. 1067 00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,600 When Constance died suddenly while Kate was on tour, 1068 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,960 Kate immediately hired Phyllis as her own personal secretary. 1069 00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,360 [Mundy] Phyllis said, "I never married because there were no men. 1070 00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:51,960 They had all been killed in the war. 1071 00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:56,680 So I came to America with Miss Hepburn and here I am." 1072 00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,120 Phyllis was the sweetest, most helpful, 1073 00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:04,880 gentle creature on the planet. 1074 00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:10,400 And Kate kept her carefully [laughs] for the rest of her life. 1075 00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:18,000 [Glenn] Phyllis was very introverted and there to serve, basically. 1076 00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,920 She would call and arrange an interview. 1077 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,480 She'd greet you at the door. She would say, "Madam is upstairs." 1078 00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,560 She would kind of drift in and out of a room. 1079 00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,240 You wouldn't hardly know she was there. 1080 00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:34,000 She was clearly very closely bonded to Hepburn. 1081 00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,440 It was a very trusting relationship. 1082 00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:43,120 [Katharine] Spence, Phyllis and I became like a tight-knit family. 1083 00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,400 Phyllis helped take over everything in my life 1084 00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,760 so I could just focus on my work. 1085 00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,440 She would join us on holiday 1086 00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,800 and help me nurse Spence back to health when he got sick. 1087 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,640 [gentle bright music] 1088 00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,120 [Bonnie] Women have to constantly be an act. 1089 01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,640 And Katharine Hepburn decided, "If I'm going to be an act, 1090 01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,320 I'm going to control what that act is." 1091 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,360 When she got older in the '50s, 1092 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,840 she made herself into the spinster who's looking for love. 1093 01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,800 [Claudia] The film I have the most trouble watching 1094 01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,880 is the very beautiful David Lean movie, Summertime. 1095 01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:29,080 The idea of the character undercut her at every single moment. 1096 01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:33,480 She is desperately alone and sad because she has no man. 1097 01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,120 It's a lesson about what will happen to you 1098 01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,560 if you don't get on the marital boat early on. 1099 01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,720 And the next horrible nail in the spinster coffin 1100 01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,600 is called Desk Set. 1101 01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,480 She's the head of a research foundation, 1102 01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,560 but she has a male boss for whom she's been pining 1103 01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,320 for seven years, waiting for him to propose marriage to her. 1104 01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,360 For the 500th time, there's a glass wall behind you. 1105 01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:57,800 Bunny, who do you think you're kidding? 1106 01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,920 Everybody knows you haven't got a brain in your head. 1107 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,200 The only way you keep your job is by being nice to me. 1108 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:03,720 Well, a girl has to work. 1109 01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,480 Work? Oh, yes, work. 1110 01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,800 [Claudia] It's incredible to watch Hepburn with all her vigor 1111 01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,600 and vitality and intelligence fit this part of the story in. 1112 01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,960 She can do anything, but she won't get the credit for it. 1113 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,960 She won't get the money for it, and she's still pining away for it. 1114 01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,920 There's a happy ending where Spencer Tracy enters 1115 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,360 and presumably better things will happen for her now. 1116 01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,120 But again, those are the endings. And what you walk away with is an image 1117 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,400 of what's been going on through the entire movie. 1118 01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,240 You're the only thing I care about. 1119 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:36,920 [camera clicks] 1120 01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:52,000 [Katharine] In the space of a few years, Spence and I lost many good friends. 1121 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,600 David Selznick, Louis B. Mayer, Bogie. 1122 01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:00,360 It was a difficult time, and each lost deeply affected Spencer. 1123 01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,720 [Bonnie] Spencer Tracy... 1124 01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,040 can't go on any longer. He just can't do it. 1125 01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,640 The demons have got him physically and mentally. 1126 01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,000 And she takes five years out of her career, 1127 01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,960 which means everything to her, to take care of him. 1128 01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:25,160 [Robin] After Spence became ill, Kate and Spence finally moved in together 1129 01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,440 in a cottage on George Cukor's property. 1130 01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,120 He used to paint and they would go to the beach 1131 01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,840 and they lived a very quiet life. 1132 01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,720 And when he was sick, she loved that. 1133 01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:43,200 She seemed to feel empowered by him not being so strong, I guess. 1134 01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,760 [Katharine, on tape] I was not able to solve his problems, 1135 01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:55,400 but I was able to help him by seeing that he didn't fall down the stairs. 1136 01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:59,480 You know, or break his goddamn neck or just be miserable. 1137 01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,480 So that was my pleasure. 1138 01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,200 [Kat] My father was filmmaker Stanley Kramer, 1139 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,560 who made Guess Who's Coming to Dinner. 1140 01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:13,320 My parents were part of the Kate, Spence inner circle, 1141 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,360 and she used to come over after playing tennis and say, 1142 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,600 "I wanna see my baby." [laughs] 1143 01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,920 Cat, my mom and Spence and my father, 1144 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,920 they used to have dinner and Spence and her were both 1145 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,040 always very gossipy about who was sleeping with who 1146 01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,400 or who was cheating on whom or who was dating whom. 1147 01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,880 And this was kind of their form of entertainment. 1148 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:39,480 My mom helped cast Katharine Houghton in the role of Joey. 1149 01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:43,600 She said to my father, "Why don't you cast her actual niece?" 1150 01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,360 Dr. John Wade Prentice. This is my dad. 1151 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:47,800 -Pleased to meet you. -Oh, how are you? 1152 01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,440 Nice to know you, but, but what is it? Is something wrong? 1153 01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:54,640 [Bonnie] This is a picture about a fairly upper middle class, 1154 01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:58,960 left wing, white couple whose daughter brings home a Black man. 1155 01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,400 You know, we would think to ourselves now, you know, 1156 01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,240 "Anybody would let you marry Sidney Poitier." 1157 01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,200 It didn't matter, you know, what color or gender you were, 1158 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,680 you'd marry Sidney Poitier, so what was the deal? 1159 01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,520 But in those days, that was shocking, 1160 01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,640 because there were states of the Union where, 1161 01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:19,240 for real, Katharine Houghton and Sidney Poitier 1162 01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,800 could not get married legally. 1163 01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,640 Two weeks ago, I would've said such a thing was inconceivable. 1164 01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,480 [Bonnie] Spencer Tracy, he doesn't stand up, if you notice, 1165 01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:30,560 in that movie very much, 'cause he can't. 1166 01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:34,000 His heart is giving way. She was very tense. 1167 01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:38,560 And she knows based on his politics and the way he's lived his life, 1168 01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,440 this is the way he wants to go out, 1169 01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,760 to make this statement that we're all equal. 1170 01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:47,360 Where John made his mistake, I think, was attaching 1171 01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,440 so much importance to what her mother and I might think. 1172 01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,960 Because in the final analysis, it doesn't matter a damn what we think. 1173 01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,840 The only thing that matters is what they feel 1174 01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:03,120 and how much they feel for each other. 1175 01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:11,600 And if it's half of what we felt... 1176 01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:16,800 that's everything. 1177 01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,480 [gentle solemn music] 1178 01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,080 [water dripping] 1179 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,000 [Katharine] The day after I wrapped my shots, 1180 01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,600 in the middle of the night, I heard Spence shuffling down the hall. 1181 01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:42,280 I got up to help him, and I heard a cup smash. 1182 01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,040 Then the sound of his body hitting the floor. 1183 01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,120 Spence was dead. Heart attack. 1184 01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,000 Peace at last. 1185 01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,880 The first person I called was Phyllis, who came straight over. 1186 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,720 We took all my stuff to the car. 1187 01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:06,960 Then I thought, "Good God, Kath, what the hell are you doing? 1188 01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:08,720 No more sneaking around. 1189 01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:12,560 You can't deny your life of nearly 30 years together." 1190 01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:16,680 So I carried everything back to the house and put it back the way it had been. 1191 01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:21,880 Then I called Spencer's wife and she arrived soon after 1192 01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,240 with their children, Susie and John. 1193 01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:32,240 [Bonnie] All of Hollywood goes to his funeral and she doesn't go. 1194 01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,600 And she gives the funeral to his wife and his family. 1195 01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:40,400 It's massive, because everybody knew what they were to each other. 1196 01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,760 She's devastated and she can't grieve. 1197 01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:45,920 She can't show anybody the grief. 1198 01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:57,920 [Katharine] After the press died down, 1199 01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:02,400 I reached out to Louise and said, "Why not be friends?" 1200 01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:06,960 But she said, "You see, I thought you were nothing but a rumor." 1201 01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:11,200 A rumor for 30 years? 1202 01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:13,680 I couldn't believe it. 1203 01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,320 These are her pictures with him. 1204 01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,040 Spencer's funeral. 1205 01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,560 Joe was 12 when his grandpa passed away, you know. 1206 01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,960 [Joe] I think he worked hard and he became one of the best in the world. 1207 01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,640 And what's great is he didn't even love it. 1208 01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:47,080 He didn't go out and try the publicity and all the little angles. 1209 01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,360 He stayed behind the scenes. He didn't fight for the big contract. 1210 01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,480 He took the salary, you know? 1211 01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,760 After he passed, actors still study him 1212 01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,280 and respect him for his work. 1213 01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:04,200 [Sean] As talented as he was, he suffered a lot more than he had to. 1214 01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,240 In his own life, I feel like he didn't know 1215 01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,680 how to be himself as easily as he knew 1216 01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,120 how to be all of the other characters he played. 1217 01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,880 And that was almost the relief of the guilt 1218 01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:19,120 of living this double life, of really being with Katharine, 1219 01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,960 but also having the mother to your children and John. 1220 01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,560 And he was, like, split in two, 1221 01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,160 and there's no resolution. 1222 01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,120 But if we're trying to learn lessons now, 1223 01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,920 I feel like the lesson is figure out what you really want 1224 01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,120 and just be honest. 1225 01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,319 Communicate, live in integrity and truth. 1226 01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:40,000 Don't be crushed by guilt. 1227 01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:54,600 [woman] "My darling, Brimsl, 1228 01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,640 words can only skim the surface. 1229 01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,640 The whole world must seem so odd and so strange. 1230 01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,279 No one could have loved as much or half as much 1231 01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:06,240 as you and Spence. 1232 01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:10,040 God bless you. I love you so. Laura." 1233 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,080 [Bonnie] After his death, she keeps working. 1234 01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:17,200 She's working with Olivier, she's doing all that. 1235 01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:20,800 She's working with Cukor again, and then The Lion in Winter, 1236 01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,800 the great movie she makes with Peter O'Toole, Anthony Hopkins. 1237 01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:25,720 She never had any children, 1238 01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,520 but she knew what a mother was and she shows it. 1239 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,240 [Anthony Hopkins] It was the first film I'd ever been involved in. 1240 01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:37,040 And the first day on set with her, I did everything wrong. 1241 01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,680 And she asked me if I was frightened of the camera 1242 01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,000 or if I liked the camera. I said, "Well, yes, I suppose so." 1243 01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:45,120 She said, "Why'd you play the whole scene with the back of your head to it?" 1244 01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:46,800 And then she proceeded to help me. 1245 01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:50,200 No, she was wonderful, very demanding of herself. 1246 01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:54,480 She would turn up at 6:30 in the morning, speak off camera lines for us, you know. 1247 01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,080 Many actors don't do that. 1248 01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,360 [Anthony Harvey] She won an Oscar. I accepted it for her. 1249 01:09:59,440 --> 01:10:00,680 And I called her up in New York. 1250 01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,800 I said, "You've won the Oscar." "Oh, for God's sake," she said. 1251 01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,000 "Put it in a bag somewhere," and that's what she thought of it. 1252 01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:09,680 [interviewer] Have you ever picked up an Oscar in person? 1253 01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:13,080 [Katharine] No. No. Too gutless. -[interviewer] You don't score an award-- 1254 01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:14,440 [Katharine] No, I'm afraid I wouldn't win it. 1255 01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:16,400 It must be that. [crowd laughs] 1256 01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:20,560 My father said about his children, when they go to a party, 1257 01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:24,040 they're afraid they're going to be neither the bride nor the corpse. 1258 01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:25,520 [gentle wistful music] 1259 01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,280 For a long time I was too egotistical, I suppose, 1260 01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,760 and too frightened to accept the fact 1261 01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,240 that the audience after all these years, 1262 01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:43,320 had given me their friendship. Not until "Coco" did I really understand. 1263 01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,720 I thought they were my natural enemy and waiting for me to fall down 1264 01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,600 or break my neck or be a flop. 1265 01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:53,160 And I think that's what we all think. Don't let 'em trip you up. 1266 01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,200 You know? Get there, do it. I don't think that's true. 1267 01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,440 It certainly hasn't been true with me from the time of that little girl. 1268 01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,880 -[Dick Cavett] They meant well. -[Katharine] They tried to help me. 1269 01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:03,280 They've tried to help me. 1270 01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,120 [Robin] Everyone knows her for On Golden Pond, 1271 01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,960 the film for which she won her fourth Academy Award. 1272 01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,880 It was a real partnership to produce that film 1273 01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:23,040 with Jane Fonda, and Jane Fonda used it as a vehicle 1274 01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,000 to get closer to her father. 1275 01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:27,840 -Oh, look at you. -Happy birthday. 1276 01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,800 Look at this little fat girl now. 1277 01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:35,160 Oh, no, honey. You're as thin as a rail. 1278 01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,640 [Jane Fonda] Ms. Hepburn didn't like me very much. 1279 01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,000 -She was so competitive. -I'm so glad you're home. 1280 01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:44,520 [Jane Fonda] I was younger and I was more of a box office star 1281 01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,760 at that particular point in time, and he was always making sure 1282 01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:49,960 that I was being put in my place. 1283 01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:51,840 There's also though, this part of her, 1284 01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:57,160 she wanted me to have stories that I could tell about her 1285 01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:00,160 after she died, and she made sure I did. 1286 01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:04,120 I was producing the movie for my father. 1287 01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,160 You know, I'd mentioned earlier my dad made tremendous fun of me. 1288 01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:08,240 I just felt awful. 1289 01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:10,200 But I was sitting on the couch, 1290 01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:12,600 and suddenly I felt these arms going around me. 1291 01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,280 It was Kate. 1292 01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:18,760 She sat down next to me and she said, "Don't let him get to you." 1293 01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,440 She says, "I know just how you feel." 1294 01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,000 She said, "Spencer used to do that to me all the time. 1295 01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,200 They have no idea." She said, "They don't know 1296 01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,800 how much those words can hurt you. 1297 01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:33,680 Don't let it hurt you." 1298 01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:38,160 And the fact that she had witnessed my pain 1299 01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:43,000 and was acknowledging it, meant the world to me. 1300 01:12:55,640 --> 01:13:00,000 [Mundy] When I was quite young, Kate moved in over at Fenwick. 1301 01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,000 She kicked us out for, like, six weeks, 1302 01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:08,160 then she threw out all the old, crappy furniture and stuff, 1303 01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:11,520 and she brought stuff from California and New York, 1304 01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:15,280 and she would just collect whatever odds and ends there were 1305 01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:17,640 and arranged them. 1306 01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:23,160 Now this lamp would give you a terrible shock if you had bare feet 1307 01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:26,920 and you touched the leading on the edge. It was really fun. 1308 01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:28,440 [chuckling] 1309 01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:32,960 Ah, this is the shot that I was looking for. 1310 01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,640 "Dick reports the windchill is 20 below zero. 1311 01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:37,880 She's been making these swims since she was five." 1312 01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:39,680 Absolute bullshit. 1313 01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,720 She would do it occasionally. 1314 01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:46,640 Kate was always an intense person 1315 01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:53,120 in that old style Victorian way of, you get enough sleep, you exercise. 1316 01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:55,200 You don't want to? Do it anyway. 1317 01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:57,960 As my father would say, 1318 01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:01,640 "Take care of the body and it will take care of you." 1319 01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:04,480 [Glenn, on tape] You say you can still stand on your head. 1320 01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,680 [Katharine, on tape] Yeah. I tried it the other day. 1321 01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,200 I thought, "Can you still stand on your head?" And I can. 1322 01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:10,480 -[Glenn] Can you? -[Katharine] Yes, I can. 1323 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:12,560 [Glenn] I mean, what's it good for? 1324 01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:15,840 [Katharine] One's self respect. [chuckles] 1325 01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:22,000 [Toyah] I met Katharine Hepburn just before I turned 20. 1326 01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:26,200 She was producing this movie with George Cukor, 1327 01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,720 The Corn is Green, by Emlyn Williams. 1328 01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:32,840 We were filming all the internal shots, and one day I caught a taxi, 1329 01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:36,240 just absolutely panicking that I was gonna be late. 1330 01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:38,880 And I passed her on a bicycle, 1331 01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,400 and she was cycling into the studio through the traffic 1332 01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:44,440 in trousers, in a blouse. 1333 01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,840 It was summer and there she was cycling. 1334 01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:52,160 One day I walked into her dressing room and she said, 1335 01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,920 "Toyah, come and smell this jumper." 1336 01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,800 So I walked up and I sniffed it and it just smelled like a teddy bear. 1337 01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:01,440 It's just really lovely. 1338 01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:05,000 "Spencer Tracy. I can still smell him." 1339 01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:11,200 And it was just profoundly moving and incredibly, 1340 01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:16,280 spiritually awakening for me that he had been dead all this time, 1341 01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,520 and she was still wearing his jumpers, 1342 01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:25,880 would not wash them, and she smelt them to keep him there with her. 1343 01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:31,280 And I just didn't question it. She still was in love with him. 1344 01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,440 [Glenn] What would you like to do next? 1345 01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,080 [Katharine, on tape] I don't know. 1346 01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:39,200 -[Glenn] They send you things. -[Katharine] Well, a lot of lousy things. 1347 01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:43,080 And I've been lucky enough to do what interested me. 1348 01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:44,400 [Glenn] You don't have to do anything. 1349 01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:47,120 [Katharine] Well, the ultimate solution was "Grace Quigley." 1350 01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:48,640 [Glenn, on tape] That was a flop, wasn't it? 1351 01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:50,280 [Katharine] I thought that was very interesting. 1352 01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:53,520 People couldn't stand it. They hated it. 1353 01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:54,680 [Glenn] Was it the death angle? 1354 01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:58,200 [Katharine] I think people are very sentimental about life and death. 1355 01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:01,600 See, I look forward to life. I look forward to death. 1356 01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:06,040 -So I've got 'em fooled. -[laughter] 1357 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,000 -[Glenn] You're not-- -[Katharine] You should go. 1358 01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,720 -[Glenn] I'm going in a sec. -[Katharine] Yes, you should go now. 1359 01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:13,520 -[Glenn] I'm going. -[Katharine] Yes. [laughs] 1360 01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,160 -[Glenn] Thank you. -[Katharine laughs] 1361 01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:16,960 Is it still turning? 1362 01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:18,960 [tape machine clattering] 1363 01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:21,360 I'm supposed to send my-- 1364 01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:26,000 [gentle wistful music] 1365 01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,120 [Mundy] You know, as the decades passed, 1366 01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,000 she got jobs here and there and she'd go back and forth 1367 01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:54,480 to New York a lot in Luddy's old house, 244 East 49th Street. 1368 01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,440 Whoever wasn't doing well, she would go and visit. 1369 01:16:58,520 --> 01:16:59,840 So that would be 1370 01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:02,040 [imitating Katharine] "Laura Harding" as she would call her. 1371 01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,120 And Luddy. 1372 01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:09,080 "If you're feeling sad, do something for someone else 1373 01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,680 and that will help both of you." 1374 01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:17,120 After she retired, I think it frustrated her 1375 01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,160 to not be able to work. 1376 01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:23,400 Fame is a very addictive drug, very addictive. 1377 01:17:23,480 --> 01:17:24,920 [bell dinging] 1378 01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,720 That's the Cornfield Point buoy over there, dinging. 1379 01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:34,720 She stayed at Fenwick. She had Phyllis and my father. 1380 01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:36,840 He was a strange guy. 1381 01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,320 He stayed home and wrote his plays, 1382 01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:43,480 and she had another helper called Howard Hildebrand, 1383 01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,160 and they grew old as companions together. 1384 01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:49,360 But Phyllis was so polite and so deferential, 1385 01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:53,080 and I will never forget, Kate is ancient. 1386 01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:58,600 Phyllis is ancient plus four, and Hilly is slowly dying of aids. 1387 01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:02,080 So he's kind of tottering around in his mid-50s or so. 1388 01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,280 Kate, "Phyllis, go get me another drink." 1389 01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:11,320 And Hilly gets up and Kate says, "No, Hilly, sit. 1390 01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:13,440 Phyllis, go get me another drink." 1391 01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:18,880 "Oh, I don't... I, I suppose." And she can barely walk. 1392 01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:23,120 And finally Kate said, "Phyllis." [grumbles] 1393 01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:26,480 And I remember standing in the kitchen and hearing, 1394 01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:30,560 [in a British accent] "I won't, I won't." 1395 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:35,160 And I walked in there and I was like, "Yeah, Phil. 1396 01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:36,960 Don't take any crap from her." 1397 01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,480 And Kate was horrified, 1398 01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:42,680 because that was a complete change 1399 01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:46,440 of the entire course of her life up to that moment 1400 01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:49,440 when Ms. Wilburn said, "I won't." 1401 01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:52,480 I love... I say it still. 1402 01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:55,040 I won't. [chuckles] 1403 01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:59,080 [gentle ethereal music] 1404 01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:15,840 [Katharine Houghton] A lot of people ask me, 1405 01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,880 "Does she have Parkinson's? Does she have Alzheimer's?" 1406 01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:20,280 You know, all that sort of thing. 1407 01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:24,360 She doesn't. The shaking is a familial tremor. 1408 01:19:24,440 --> 01:19:27,120 In fact, I would say if anything, her shaking is better 1409 01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:29,840 now that she's leading a very relaxed life. 1410 01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:36,040 And as many people in their mid-90s, there's a certain degree of old age, 1411 01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:39,480 but she's very much who she is. [laughs] 1412 01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:42,800 Is she still fun to be around? 1413 01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:46,880 It depends on her mood. 1414 01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:51,680 [gentle serene music] 1415 01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:59,120 [Katharine] I rather enjoy my quiet life now. 1416 01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:01,920 I swim, I garden. 1417 01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:03,360 I still like to paint. 1418 01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,760 Me and Phyllis even wrote a play together. 1419 01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:09,720 I keep myself busy. 1420 01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,680 [waves lapping] 1421 01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:18,200 [gentle wistful music] 1422 01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:19,960 [woman] Thank you, Kate. 1423 01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:22,920 [crowd applauding] 1424 01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,320 [Katharine] I think the reason people have an affection for me now 1425 01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:35,240 is that in a kind of a way, 1426 01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,600 I must have lived a life that a lot of women 1427 01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:40,840 think would be a nice life to have lived. 1428 01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,240 They think it's dignified, but they think it's free. 1429 01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,600 They think I've done what I wanted to. 1430 01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:50,520 They don't bother to think that they may have five children that I haven't. 1431 01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:53,640 Do you have a lot of fear though? Does it scare you to stop doing movies? 1432 01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:57,520 Yes, I think it terrifies anybody who's intelligent to do anything. 1433 01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,680 I'm a good cover upper. [laughs] 1434 01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:05,680 [Claudia] Maybe the great lesson of a 60 year career 1435 01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:09,400 when everyone loves you one year and hates you the next, 1436 01:21:09,480 --> 01:21:11,160 is that you keep on going. 1437 01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:14,320 You compromise when you absolutely have to. 1438 01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:17,320 But even then, you push as hard as you can 1439 01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:19,520 for the best material you can, 1440 01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:21,320 and you never quit. 1441 01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:24,600 You make some stinkers, you make mistakes, 1442 01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:27,000 but you keep on going. 1443 01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:30,800 When you find something good, something you really believe in, 1444 01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:34,480 you put your heart and your soul and your money into it. 1445 01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:35,880 From Philadelphia Story 1446 01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:38,520 to Guess who's Coming to Dinner decades later. 1447 01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,880 Romeo, Romeo. 1448 01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:44,040 [Claudia] When you win an Academy Award when you're in your 20s, 1449 01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:46,600 and then not another one for decades, 1450 01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:50,120 you don't show discouragement, and you win three more 1451 01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,760 when you're in your 60s and 70s. 1452 01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,600 The years when it's supposed to be all over for actresses, 1453 01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:57,760 but not for you. 1454 01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,840 You do work you're proud of. 1455 01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:04,160 Whether it's for 350 a week at the Shakespeare Festival 1456 01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:07,400 in Connecticut or for millions in Hollywood. 1457 01:22:07,480 --> 01:22:11,960 You hold up your standards as best you can in an ensemble system. 1458 01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:14,800 You buy the whole system when you can afford it, 1459 01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,240 and you keep on going. 1460 01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:21,480 It is such a simple lesson. It's amazing there were not more like her 1461 01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:25,040 with her longevity, her multiple lives on film, 1462 01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,400 her emphatic character. 1463 01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,880 But there was only one Katharine Hepburn. 1464 01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,840 [Mundy] Her thing is, come on, get up, do it, 1465 01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:39,800 be, try, make something of yourself, live. 1466 01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,880 [gentle wistful music] 1467 01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:49,600 So... 1468 01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:53,240 "Life, life." That's what Kate used to say. 1469 01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:55,640 "Ah, life, life." 1470 01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:02,680 In other words, you got now. Cherish it. 1471 01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:06,040 Cherish it. 1472 01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:12,440 [Katharine] I told you, life goes by like... 1473 01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:15,760 -[fingers snap] -[gentle wistful music] 1474 01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,560 [Robin] As a young girl growing up in Los Angeles, 1475 01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:36,640 these Hollywood starlets really came to me at a young age when I was just so enamored 1476 01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:40,840 by not only their beauty, but this magic about their essence. 1477 01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:42,800 But the reality is a lot of these people 1478 01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,880 were very, very mistreated and died very young. 1479 01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,120 And so I found myself being so inspired by Katharine. 1480 01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:52,720 She's such a powerful icon for women 1481 01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:54,960 surviving in the entertainment industry. 1482 01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,800 [Glenn] I remember once I asked her, "What's the secret to happiness?" 1483 01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:01,120 And she said to me, 1484 01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:04,200 "You're always going to be lonely and depressed 1485 01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:07,280 if you think about how you look, where you're going, 1486 01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:09,040 how you're feeling. 1487 01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,960 That's because the self is a dead end. 1488 01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:15,760 If you concentrate on that," she said, "God help you." 1489 01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,320 [Mundy] There they are. All the kids. 1490 01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:22,520 Kate, Dick, Bob, Marion, Peg. 1491 01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:25,000 Tom too. Everybody's there. 1492 01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,320 The most interesting thing I think 1493 01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:32,880 is that she made her own being her own work of art. 1494 01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:37,200 She created a screen persona performed for you. 1495 01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:42,600 And here we are decades later going, "Wow, Katharine Hepburn. She was cool." 1496 01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:45,480 [Toyah] We're floating on a rock in the middle of nowhere, 1497 01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:47,800 in a universe we know nothing about. 1498 01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:53,640 Every single individual on this planet is not only just a miracle, 1499 01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:56,280 but you are exactly that. 1500 01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:58,880 You are an individual. 1501 01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,320 Live that individual life. 1502 01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:05,600 [gentle wistful music] 1503 01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:40,800 [gentle wistful music continues] 120392

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