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This is an illegal gathering.
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You must disperse immediately.
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Stay down.
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Pass.
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You're in Soweto.
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Why?
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My sister lives in District Three.
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What's in the back?
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Furniture.
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Wait.
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Okay, it's fine.
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He was out collecting wood
with his father and his sister.
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The Police came out of nowhere and
grabbed us and took us to the bridge.
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They took my dad and tied him
in a canvas bag...
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and dropped him into the river.
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They made us watch him drown.
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They told us to go home and tell
the others the price for being ANC.
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We have a word...
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'Ubuntu'.
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It means a person's humanity...
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is measured according to their
relationship with others.
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We tell the children that these
people, who commit these crimes...
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have lost their humanity...
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and are as much victims
of Apartheid as we are.
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Michael Young.
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Sir?
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Go, go, go!
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- It's Michael Young.
- What progress?
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This isn't going to work for us.
We need to aim higher.
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Safer to stay in the foothills.
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The more visible, the more
vulnerable we are.
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Yes, it's much safer.
Yes.
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A bit of hush.
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It is my pleasure to present
Thabo Mbeki.
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The African National Congress'
Head of Information...
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who is here representing
the ANC president, Oliver Tambo.
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I know that you'll make Mr Mbeki
feel most welcome.
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My name is Thabo Mbeki...
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and I am a terrorist.
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No doubt, that is what you
have been told.
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No incendiary devices.
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No concealed weapons.
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I am just a man, as you are.
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Every day the President
of South Africa...
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under the mantle of his State
of Emergency...
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deploys thousands more of
his troops in the townships...
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brutally crushing the rising
resistance to his oppressive regime.
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Yet, the UK, is still one of South
Africa's leading trading partners.
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Every company...
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every financial institution
which continues to invest there...
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is a source of political and economic
strength to P.W. Botha.
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If it is true that money talks,
then let it speak, clearly.
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Let your voice join ours when we say
the bloodshed of our people must end.
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The time to shout 'enough' has come.
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The time for you to act is here.
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Mr Mbeki?
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Michael Young.
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Public Affairs Director,
Consolidated Goldfields.
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Tell me how we can help.
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It's not an offer to make lightly,
Mr Young. We might take you up on it.
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It wasn't made lightly.
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As you say, we too have an incentive
to ensure your country's survival.
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We have this recurring
nightmare, Mr Young...
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that one day the South African
Government will send us a message...
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indicating that it is ready to talk
to us about ending apartheid.
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Because of our antagonism and mistrust,
we fail to hear the message. We...
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fail to respond.
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We miss the moment.
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Thank you.
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An apparatchik working for
a reactionary outfit like Goldfields?
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Is that what it's come to?
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The fact that he works for Goldfields
means he'll be listened to.
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You know a better entry card?
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And if the Public Affairs
thing is just a front?
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I doubt he's Ml6.
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I need a word.
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He's expecting you.
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Come in.
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I think I have a way forward
on our problem.
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I'm listening.
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Mr Vijoan?
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It's Michael Young. I called last
week about the meetings...
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I'm trying to set up between
the ANC and leading Afrikaners.
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The risk is too great.
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I have a young family to think of.
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Please don't call me again.
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They're just exploratory meetings...
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and someone representing
the Dutch Reform Church...
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who better to act as
a mediator between the two sides?
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It's not the policy of our church
to involve ourselves in politics.
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I can't help you. I am sorry.
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There are those on both sides
who favour force over dialogue.
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To maintain secrecy, it's best
if we hold the talks in the U.K.
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In South Africa secrets are
a way of life.
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They also have a habit
of exploding in your face.
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I can't be bothered.
I'm sorry.
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- Can I use your toilet?
- Yeah, it's around the back.
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Love has a habit of pushing us
into the arms of philosophy.
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An earthquake claims a thousand lives.
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Families bludgeoned to death
by intruders.
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The death of a much loved child.
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Such events prompt us to ask
how a benign deity can allow...
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such tragedies to happen.
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The task of Philosophy is to rise above
the futility and chaos of daily life...
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to seek a deeper truth
to our existence.
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I'll finish with the words of Pascal.
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'If man's dignity lies in thought...
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then let us all strive to think well.'
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Good day.
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Be warned!
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Those who have not yet handed in their
assignment on Freedom and the State...
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will find their own freedom curtailed.
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Mr Gruber, make my day.
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Treat yourself to a new
typewriter ribbon.
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Mr Young, I assume?
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An audacious mission
you've undertaken.
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A mission impossible,
might be more apt.
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What you are asking is impossible.
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No sane man would put his livelihood,
not to mention his life...
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on the line
to break bread with the devil.
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In this country, those who go public
against Apartheid...
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acquire the status of a pariah.
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Yet, you still agreed
to meet with me?
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You say Consolidated Goldfields have
agreed to fund these meetings?
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Your founder would turn in his grave.
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Rhodes knew that market forces
can succeed where politicians fail.
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You are being disingenuous.
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This is about your company protecting
it's investments here, is it not?
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They know apartheid is an anathema
morally and economically.
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They've colluded with it long enough.
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It's an open secret that a silent
coup has taken place in our country.
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Botha no longer consults Parliament
or the cabinet...
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but rules in the manner of
a medieval monarch.
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Only his inner sanctum of
security advisors have his ear.
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It's they who wield the power,
and they are not interested...
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in a political solution.
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Like most Afrikaners, I find...
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the murderous methodology of
the ANC morally repugnant...
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and the idea of cosying up to them
is abhorrent...
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even the thought makes me retch.
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I'm sorry that you
had a wasted journey.
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I am not the man
for your mission.
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Get on the move.
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If you are not otherwise engaged,
Mr Mandela...
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the Minister of Justice invites
you to join him for tea.
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I'm told it's cucumber sandwiches
this time.
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It seems you
have another visitor, too.
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The Head of National Intelligence,
no less.
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Doctor Barnard is here?
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A moment if you please, Mr Brand.
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Copy, control.
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Thank you.
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Control.
Confirm subject's arrival.
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Mr Coatsee.
Good to see you again.
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Good to see you too, Mr Mandela.
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Doctor Neil Barnard is here,
Head of National Intelligence.
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He's asked to sit in
on our discussions.
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Mr Nelson Mandela.
Doctor Neil Barnard.
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...used tear gas
to disperse the crowd...
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in what a security forces
spokesperson described as...
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'necessary measures
to contain the violence'.
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And, there were further arrests when
Eug�ne Terre'Blanche's AWB party...
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held a recruitment rally,
four people were detained.
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If they want to take this country
by force and violence...
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they'll meet us
over the barrel of a gun.
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A! W! B!
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Michael Young.
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I cannot stand by and do nothing
while my country is reduced to ashes.
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I'll come to your meeting.
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Let me know where and when.
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Doctor Barnard, Mr President.
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- Did he take the bait?
- And deny his moment of destiny?
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- He took it alright.
- Vanity... vanity.
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Tambo's waiting to see you.
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Oliver, maybe these talks are the
opportunity we've been waiting for.
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Yes, but not everyone is going
to like it.
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Many will see this as a betrayal.
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So, we need to keep this between us,
and report back only to me.
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Be careful, Thabo.
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We're in.
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Some housekeeping notes.
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No telephone communication
with the ANC either...
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in Lusaka or here in London.
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South African Intelligence have our
phones tapped. Yours too, by now.
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Don't think because you're back
in London you're not vulnerable.
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Car and letter bombs are the weapons
of choice of the security agents.
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Welcome to our world.
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The board get wind we're jumping into
bed...
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with a bunch of Kalashnikov
carrying terrorists...
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we'll both be out on our ears.
You realise that?
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They can't ignore reality.
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Every day Botha gets more isolated,
the country more ungovernable.
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Something doesn't give, and soon
the company will go down with it.
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You see your role in this as what?
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To create a neutral arena
and step aside.
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Hope that they can see each other
as men, rather than as enemies.
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A risky strategy.
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Others are risking more than that.
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Heroics don't cut much ice with
shareholders.
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A 'need to know' basis. Only.
Trust no-one. Confide in no-one.
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I'll bury the costs under Research
and Development, or some such.
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Arrangements for my personal affairs
should anything happen to me.
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- You think that's likely?
- A precaution.
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Michael?
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If this ever gets out...
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I shall have to deny all knowledge
of it and, disown you.
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And, I'll be nothing,
if not convincing.
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Passport? Ticket?
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Taxi.
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It's okay.
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Professor.
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In the nick of time.
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May I come in?
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In public, Botha's still holding
the party line...
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that you must defeat terrorists before
you can negotiate with them.
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Privately, he wants you to continue
the dialogue for as long as possible.
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The more we know about the ANC's
fault lines in their power structure...
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the better we are equipped
to control the end game.
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So, I am to act as your spy?
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A go between is more what
we had in mind.
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Have you thought why you were chosen
to lead these talks, Professor?
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You're a soft target.
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They think your reputation as an
advocate for social justice...
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gives them a way in.
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Play along.
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Mbeki must think you are just a...
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respected academic on
a fact-finding mission.
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A soft target is not
a soft touch, Doctor.
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I'm going to that meeting to hear
what they have to say.
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As importantly for them to hear
what I have to say.
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The whole process
is futile otherwise.
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Ja, but the thing is,
you see, Professor.
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You don't co-operate...
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your participation in
the process will be terminated.
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My direct line. Call me.
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You need to be vigilant
about incendiary devices now.
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Always check under your
car before using it.
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I'll send my people over
to show you how.
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And your ticket?
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Don't forget to ring Albi Sachs.
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Hello?
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This is Thabo Mbeki.
I need a quick word.
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He's just left for the airport.
I'll try and catch him, hold on.
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Albi!
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Albi!
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- Get another line.
- Another line, please!
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Background checks on staff. And
they know that security is an issue?
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I briefed them this morning.
249
00:34:11,547 --> 00:34:14,506
Brief them every morning.
Just keep hammering it home.
250
00:34:19,799 --> 00:34:22,884
- This is Mr Mambenki's room.
- Mbeki.
251
00:34:25,926 --> 00:34:28,886
- All the rooms are ensuite.
- It's nice.
252
00:34:31,472 --> 00:34:35,181
- And, next door?
- His colleague. Mr... Pahad.
253
00:34:35,723 --> 00:34:39,391
Put Professor Esterhuyse
next to Mbeki.
254
00:34:39,433 --> 00:34:43,100
We need to mix them up. Maximise
the opportunity for chance meetings.
255
00:34:43,142 --> 00:34:46,018
- Right.
- Good. Thank you.
256
00:35:39,663 --> 00:35:43,749
'Welcome' seems a meagre word
for such an occasion.
257
00:35:44,499 --> 00:35:48,167
But, it is no less sincere,
all the same.
258
00:35:49,459 --> 00:35:52,627
Now, as you can see from
the agenda I drew up...
259
00:35:53,169 --> 00:35:55,419
we have a lot of ground to cover.
260
00:35:55,795 --> 00:36:00,463
So, if we're to get through it
I think it is essential that...
261
00:36:00,505 --> 00:36:02,005
With respect, Mr Young.
262
00:36:02,089 --> 00:36:05,131
Since you are not South African,
it's not your agenda.
263
00:36:05,715 --> 00:36:07,049
It's ours.
264
00:36:10,758 --> 00:36:12,884
And, with respect, Mr Mbeki...
265
00:36:12,926 --> 00:36:17,469
I must remind you that the agenda
was agreed by both sides in advance.
266
00:36:26,473 --> 00:36:30,974
Item one.
The ANC perspective.
267
00:36:34,434 --> 00:36:40,228
We know that you Afrikaners have
paid in blood for your country.
268
00:36:40,728 --> 00:36:42,145
As, we have.
269
00:36:43,188 --> 00:36:45,522
We know too, that it was from your
suffering...
270
00:36:45,563 --> 00:36:48,314
that a system of apartheid
was incubated.
271
00:36:49,606 --> 00:36:53,566
The need to dominate is often
a consequence of survival.
272
00:36:53,608 --> 00:36:55,775
Our problem is, as exiles, we are...
273
00:36:55,776 --> 00:36:59,276
outside the political system.
274
00:36:59,318 --> 00:37:01,860
So, we are not in a position to offer
any concessions or compromises...
275
00:37:01,861 --> 00:37:05,904
in any potential negotiations with
the government.
276
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,322
If you can't offer concessions,
what can you offer?
277
00:37:12,323 --> 00:37:14,949
All we can do is set out our
stall of demands.
278
00:37:15,700 --> 00:37:18,868
The release of Nelson Mandela
and all political prisoners.
279
00:37:18,910 --> 00:37:21,952
The unbanning of all proscribed
political organisations.
280
00:37:21,953 --> 00:37:27,371
Only then can a negotiated transition
to majority rule take place.
281
00:37:27,413 --> 00:37:32,831
So, then, we can take it that there
is no truth in the rumour...
282
00:37:32,832 --> 00:37:35,833
that the ANC hopes Mandela will
die in prison?
283
00:37:35,874 --> 00:37:38,834
Thus elevating him to the status
of martyr.
284
00:37:38,875 --> 00:37:41,334
You don't think he's achieved
that status already?
285
00:37:41,376 --> 00:37:44,460
That rumour, along with most
information about us...
286
00:37:44,502 --> 00:37:46,503
is based on disinformation.
287
00:37:46,545 --> 00:37:50,296
And, the riots and bloodshed
if he does get released?
288
00:37:50,338 --> 00:37:53,588
Can you guarantee you can control
your guerrilla extremists?
289
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:56,464
Controlling Mrs Mandela and her
necklacing would be a start.
290
00:37:56,465 --> 00:38:00,466
As would controlling the brutality
of your security police.
291
00:38:02,092 --> 00:38:03,801
Can you guarantee that?
292
00:38:06,094 --> 00:38:09,970
There's talk in Pretoria that Botha
is considering...
293
00:38:10,012 --> 00:38:13,847
forming a new body to be
affiliated to Parliament...
294
00:38:13,848 --> 00:38:19,307
where black representatives can join
the coloured and Indian delegates...
295
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:21,641
as a prelude to power sharing.
296
00:38:21,642 --> 00:38:23,892
Can we ask your opinion on such
a proposal?
297
00:38:23,934 --> 00:38:25,184
What is yours?
298
00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:30,603
I'm just here on a fact-finding
mission, Mr Mbeki.
299
00:38:31,937 --> 00:38:33,604
Your opinion is the issue.
300
00:38:33,646 --> 00:38:36,938
My understanding is we are not here
to discuss reforming Apartheid.
301
00:38:36,939 --> 00:38:41,065
Or, disguising it under some new
administrative structure.
302
00:38:41,107 --> 00:38:43,233
We're here to talk about how
to abolish it.
303
00:38:44,275 --> 00:38:49,235
What we are seeking, is a prelude
to majority rule.
304
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,195
Power sharing, is not an option.
305
00:39:25,082 --> 00:39:26,166
Ah, Professor.
306
00:39:46,757 --> 00:39:49,300
Okay. Good, good.
Gentlemen, please. Good.
307
00:39:50,258 --> 00:39:53,009
Perhaps, if you outline the specific
nature of your fears...
308
00:39:53,051 --> 00:39:54,885
relating to majority rule.
309
00:39:56,636 --> 00:39:59,261
It's not bloody rocket science.
310
00:40:00,845 --> 00:40:03,056
The blacks come after our blood,
311
00:40:03,139 --> 00:40:06,473
and our children get slaughtered
in their beds. That, is the reality.
312
00:40:06,474 --> 00:40:11,142
A communist leaning administration
will destroy our economic stability.
313
00:40:11,184 --> 00:40:13,934
They'll end up in the same post
colonial chaos...
314
00:40:13,935 --> 00:40:16,226
as the other African states.
315
00:40:16,268 --> 00:40:17,269
Professor?
316
00:40:17,561 --> 00:40:21,520
You'll obliterate not only our language
and our culture, but our human rights.
317
00:40:21,896 --> 00:40:25,272
Fear is the first weapon
of the oppressor.
318
00:40:25,314 --> 00:40:29,648
It blinds us all from seeing
the humanity of the other.
319
00:40:29,649 --> 00:40:32,107
Your hands are not
so clean either, Mr Mbeki.
320
00:40:33,025 --> 00:40:36,234
What is your campaign of terror
based on if not fear?
321
00:40:36,276 --> 00:40:39,443
The culture of fear is not of
our making, Professor.
322
00:40:39,444 --> 00:40:42,362
We learnt it at the feet
of our masters.
323
00:40:50,447 --> 00:40:54,074
You're looking tired, Mr Mandela.
We've kept you talking too late again.
324
00:40:54,449 --> 00:40:58,326
Fortunately, I had no other
plans tonight.
325
00:41:00,744 --> 00:41:03,995
I look forward to our next
conversation, Doctor.
326
00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:07,580
For a moment I thought you said,
'negotiation'.
327
00:41:08,372 --> 00:41:11,289
My ear's playing tricks on me.
328
00:41:12,706 --> 00:41:14,165
Good night, Doctor.
329
00:41:15,916 --> 00:41:18,292
- Mr. Coatsee.
- Good night.
330
00:41:23,293 --> 00:41:25,878
Stop all contact with the
other Robben Islanders.
331
00:41:27,504 --> 00:41:30,504
We don't need their
Greek Chorus in his ear.
332
00:41:30,505 --> 00:41:31,380
Alright.
333
00:41:33,339 --> 00:41:35,464
And get him a suit for next time.
334
00:41:35,465 --> 00:41:38,215
We'll get more out of him
if he thinks he's an equal.
335
00:41:38,216 --> 00:41:39,800
Okay. It's a good idea.
336
00:42:23,233 --> 00:42:24,483
I'll leave you to it.
337
00:42:24,525 --> 00:42:28,902
I just think things might free up
a bit without an outsider present.
338
00:42:33,903 --> 00:42:35,612
Bored with us already?
339
00:42:37,572 --> 00:42:39,733
It's a tactical withdrawal.
340
00:42:57,318 --> 00:42:58,318
So, Professor.
341
00:43:01,152 --> 00:43:03,362
When you first saw me,
did you think...
342
00:43:03,402 --> 00:43:07,904
'Ah, so that's what a fucking,
communist terrorist looks like'?
343
00:43:11,155 --> 00:43:14,739
And, you? Did you think...
344
00:43:14,781 --> 00:43:19,074
'Ah, so that's what a fucking
racist Boer looks like'?
345
00:43:20,199 --> 00:43:23,450
No doubt, you assume our claim
to be non-racial...
346
00:43:23,492 --> 00:43:27,867
is just a rhetoric of political
convenience, but you are mistaken.
347
00:43:29,326 --> 00:43:30,952
It's what defines us.
348
00:43:34,828 --> 00:43:39,329
And you are mistaken in your
assumptions about us, Mr Mbeki.
349
00:43:41,246 --> 00:43:44,873
Our fear doesn't
stem from propaganda...
350
00:43:46,082 --> 00:43:49,666
but from the deep rooted knowledge
that one day we will be punished...
351
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:54,667
for all the terrible wrongs
we have inflicted.
352
00:44:11,755 --> 00:44:13,672
Good night, Professor.
353
00:44:15,005 --> 00:44:16,214
Goodnight.
354
00:45:57,868 --> 00:45:58,743
Hello?
355
00:46:01,077 --> 00:46:02,494
Professor?
356
00:46:07,078 --> 00:46:09,038
Can I help you?
357
00:46:41,963 --> 00:46:45,756
Young gave his assurance the place
was clean of bugs.
358
00:46:45,757 --> 00:46:47,548
I couldn't take the chance.
359
00:46:51,258 --> 00:46:56,301
I hope to God, you don't make me
regret what I'm about to do.
360
00:46:57,509 --> 00:47:01,719
To the press and parliament,
Botha's still on message that...
361
00:47:01,761 --> 00:47:06,511
you must abandon your weapons before
he'll conduct a dialogue with you.
362
00:47:10,763 --> 00:47:15,389
But, my presence here suggests
otherwise.
363
00:47:21,098 --> 00:47:23,351
Botha knows about these talks?
364
00:47:25,434 --> 00:47:29,352
I'm instructed to report back
to him via Doctor Barnard...
365
00:47:29,393 --> 00:47:31,019
in National Intelligence.
366
00:47:35,354 --> 00:47:37,938
I'm to be their Trojan horse.
367
00:47:44,731 --> 00:47:47,273
You take a risk telling
me this, Professor.
368
00:47:49,149 --> 00:47:50,857
It would be a risk not telling you.
369
00:47:55,108 --> 00:47:57,235
Without trust, we'll achieve nothing.
370
00:47:58,276 --> 00:47:59,735
Tambo says if we are to...
371
00:48:01,610 --> 00:48:03,736
win our freedom
we must first...
372
00:48:05,028 --> 00:48:07,153
banish bitterness.
373
00:48:09,946 --> 00:48:11,571
This will be the test of it.
374
00:48:13,072 --> 00:48:14,113
For all of us.
375
00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:35,453
Get him ready.
376
00:48:36,578 --> 00:48:39,496
Let's give him a taste
of what he's been missing.
377
00:48:40,413 --> 00:48:42,497
If you could just turn around.
378
00:48:48,290 --> 00:48:50,082
- Okay. It's good?
- Ja.
379
00:48:53,333 --> 00:48:57,459
I've lost the knack
of tying them over the years.
380
00:49:00,043 --> 00:49:00,812
Well, shall we?
381
00:50:56,137 --> 00:50:57,931
Got it. I've got it.
382
00:51:07,737 --> 00:51:08,696
Barnard.
383
00:51:08,988 --> 00:51:11,241
Did he enjoy his day of freedom?
384
00:51:11,283 --> 00:51:13,036
Enough to get a taste for it,
let's hope.
385
00:51:14,955 --> 00:51:17,791
- And the UK talks?
- Work in progress.
386
00:51:17,834 --> 00:51:20,837
I need more than that to placate
the bloody doves in Cabinet.
387
00:51:20,838 --> 00:51:23,466
Sir, the Cabinet must know
absolutely nothing about this.
388
00:51:23,507 --> 00:51:26,803
If some loose lips blabs to CNN the
whole process could implode on us.
389
00:51:26,804 --> 00:51:31,018
You sold me these talks
to get the inside track on the ANC.
390
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,604
To give us leverage over Mandela.
391
00:51:33,605 --> 00:51:36,275
If you're not going to deliver.
What's the damn point?
392
00:51:44,536 --> 00:51:47,540
I have his exact words
here somewhere.
393
00:51:55,175 --> 00:51:56,636
Leave us.
394
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:07,860
I do have a home to go to, Doctor.
395
00:52:13,368 --> 00:52:18,207
At the risk of invoking more accusations
that I'm gullible and naive, I repeat...
396
00:52:19,793 --> 00:52:23,965
In my view, Mbeki, is a man
the government can do business with.
397
00:52:24,383 --> 00:52:26,427
A view based on what?
398
00:52:30,641 --> 00:52:33,145
Your cosy fireside chats?
399
00:52:33,186 --> 00:52:37,400
His existential ramblings
about universal suffrage?
400
00:52:39,903 --> 00:52:42,782
One can respect a man's commitment
to his ideals...
401
00:52:42,824 --> 00:52:45,411
without sharing his methods
of achieving them.
402
00:52:47,914 --> 00:52:52,462
Forgive me, if I don't also genuflect
at his altar of self government.
403
00:52:52,503 --> 00:52:54,214
Talk is cheap, Professor.
404
00:52:55,382 --> 00:52:58,054
He made no concessions, did he?
Not one.
405
00:52:59,389 --> 00:53:03,728
His so called conversion to moderation
is a ploy, orchestrated by Tambo.
406
00:53:03,770 --> 00:53:04,645
And you...
407
00:53:05,689 --> 00:53:07,232
you fell for it.
408
00:53:15,660 --> 00:53:19,040
- Can I go home?
- Not yet.
409
00:53:41,946 --> 00:53:45,200
Mandela sent his lawyer with
a message for me.
410
00:53:45,451 --> 00:53:49,456
They've isolated him from Sisulu
and the other Robben Islanders.
411
00:53:52,168 --> 00:53:56,383
He's been holding secret talks with
Doctor Barnard from the N.I. S...
412
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,511
who reports back to Botha.
413
00:53:59,012 --> 00:54:02,182
I pressed Bizoz on the content
of the meetings.
414
00:54:02,224 --> 00:54:04,060
He claims Nelson said nothing.
415
00:54:04,561 --> 00:54:07,481
He wanted to assure me he's
acting in good faith.
416
00:54:07,523 --> 00:54:09,443
He's walking into a trap.
417
00:54:11,028 --> 00:54:14,491
Botha knows about the U.K. talks.
418
00:54:14,533 --> 00:54:18,203
Barnard recruited Esterhuyse
to act as his informer.
419
00:54:18,204 --> 00:54:21,125
They're playing 'divide and rule'
with us.
420
00:54:22,209 --> 00:54:25,422
Pretoria will claim that
South Africa's most famous prisoner...
421
00:54:25,464 --> 00:54:29,219
wanted a peaceful settlement but
the ANC terrorists...
422
00:54:29,261 --> 00:54:32,181
rejected it to pursue their
doctrine of violence.
423
00:54:32,182 --> 00:54:34,477
Madiba would never fall for such
a trick.
424
00:54:34,518 --> 00:54:36,771
How do we know what
his mental state is?
425
00:54:36,812 --> 00:54:38,815
The pressure he's under?
426
00:54:39,524 --> 00:54:42,820
What concessions he'll make
in return for his freedom?
427
00:54:45,407 --> 00:54:50,540
If he's so solid with us
why not tell us what he's doing?
428
00:54:52,085 --> 00:54:55,255
Why exclude you, of all people.
429
00:54:57,926 --> 00:55:00,721
This Esterhuyse,
do you trust him?
430
00:55:04,976 --> 00:55:05,685
Yes.
431
00:55:05,769 --> 00:55:08,815
A man you've barely
known a few hours?
432
00:55:08,856 --> 00:55:11,984
Yet, I'm supposed
to doubt a man I've known a lifetime.
433
00:55:11,985 --> 00:55:13,947
Who sacrificed everything for us.
434
00:55:13,988 --> 00:55:15,741
If trust is the issue...
435
00:55:17,660 --> 00:55:20,287
perhaps it is my judgement
which is in doubt.
436
00:55:20,288 --> 00:55:23,711
If we let ourselves be tainted
by distrust...
437
00:55:23,752 --> 00:55:29,134
Botha's tactics will succeed.
We play into his hands.
438
00:56:06,435 --> 00:56:10,441
The bombing came less than 24 hours
after President Botha told parliament...
439
00:56:10,483 --> 00:56:13,987
that security forces had uncovered
a terrorist cell in Natal...
440
00:56:14,029 --> 00:56:16,699
and arrested 23 suspected insurgents.
441
00:56:16,741 --> 00:56:20,245
We understand that two of
the terrorists evaded capture.
442
00:56:20,287 --> 00:56:24,042
Security Forces have stepped up
their search in the Soweto area.
443
00:56:32,845 --> 00:56:34,056
Get in here.
444
00:56:44,237 --> 00:56:47,909
I'm home, Marie.
Anyone home?
445
00:58:04,095 --> 00:58:07,098
Target is confirmed.
Tomorrow at twelve p.m.
446
00:58:07,099 --> 00:58:07,850
Sure.
447
01:00:18,236 --> 01:00:20,157
And the bloodshed
in South Africa today...
448
01:00:20,198 --> 01:00:22,410
after a bomb exploded
outside a shopping centre...
449
01:00:22,451 --> 01:00:24,496
in Roodeport, near Johannesburg.
450
01:00:25,122 --> 01:00:27,709
Four civilians were killed
and 18 others injured.
451
01:00:28,251 --> 01:00:31,129
A spokesman claimed that
the target was a nearby bank.
452
01:00:31,130 --> 01:00:33,842
He declined to give details on the
operational difficulties...
453
01:00:33,884 --> 01:00:35,468
which caused the explosion.
454
01:00:38,347 --> 01:00:43,354
Is that how you justify your campaign
of indiscriminate bombings...
455
01:00:43,396 --> 01:00:45,482
the killing of innocent civilians?
456
01:00:45,608 --> 01:00:48,236
We have never supported
the killing of civilians.
457
01:00:48,278 --> 01:00:50,906
Tell that to the women
and children that you maim and kill...
458
01:00:50,907 --> 01:00:53,993
with your limpet bombs and
your pipe bombs.
459
01:00:53,994 --> 01:00:57,415
Or are dead children legitimate
collateral damage...
460
01:00:57,457 --> 01:00:59,334
to promote your cycle of terror?
461
01:00:59,335 --> 01:01:02,964
I can quote you chapter and verse
on dead children, Professor.
462
01:01:03,006 --> 01:01:06,010
Names, ages and dates,
my son included.
463
01:01:09,097 --> 01:01:12,567
I think a break
is in order, gentlemen.
464
01:01:12,820 --> 01:01:17,449
ANC policy is,
and always has been...
465
01:01:17,450 --> 01:01:21,870
that only military and economic
targets are legitimate.
466
01:01:21,912 --> 01:01:24,121
If it smells like crap and
it sounds like crap...
467
01:01:24,205 --> 01:01:26,539
chances are, it is crap.
468
01:01:28,625 --> 01:01:31,043
Not once have I tried to justify...
469
01:01:31,085 --> 01:01:34,336
the excesses of
the South African Security Forces.
470
01:01:34,337 --> 01:01:40,133
Yet, you persist in spouting this
pre-digested dogma at me.
471
01:01:40,175 --> 01:01:45,928
Maybe they think if they say it
enough times, we'll buy it.
472
01:01:45,929 --> 01:01:50,516
This really is not productive,
so either we move on...
473
01:01:50,557 --> 01:01:55,060
The timing, of the Roodeport
bomb isn't coincidental.
474
01:01:55,644 --> 01:01:57,396
Lusaka authorised it...
475
01:01:58,522 --> 01:02:01,524
in the full knowledge of our meetings.
476
01:02:03,149 --> 01:02:05,651
It's the old terror tactic...
477
01:02:05,652 --> 01:02:09,862
once the talking starts,
step up the violence.
478
01:02:10,906 --> 01:02:13,574
If you think that's going
to strengthen your hand...
479
01:02:13,616 --> 01:02:16,326
in any negotiations with
the Government...
480
01:02:16,327 --> 01:02:20,664
you've seen to it that
all chance of that is off the table.
481
01:02:23,457 --> 01:02:24,958
Frankly...
482
01:02:31,505 --> 01:02:33,631
so are these talks.
483
01:02:58,399 --> 01:03:01,109
- Time to turn up the heat.
- Alright.
484
01:03:05,322 --> 01:03:07,532
Hello, Mr Mandela. Please.
485
01:03:14,996 --> 01:03:17,414
Let's talk about Roodeport.
486
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:25,795
It needed saying.
487
01:03:29,423 --> 01:03:31,466
There was no getting round it.
488
01:03:33,092 --> 01:03:34,384
Perhaps.
489
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,805
But, box a man into a corner and...
490
01:03:40,932 --> 01:03:43,767
The President is running out
of patience, Mr Mandela.
491
01:03:43,808 --> 01:03:46,601
Either, you denounce the communist
links with the ANC...
492
01:03:46,602 --> 01:03:48,020
condemn the violence...
493
01:03:49,687 --> 01:03:55,025
or, frankly, you and I?
We have nothing further to discuss.
494
01:03:55,067 --> 01:03:59,278
When political movements are forced
underground...
495
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,697
they inevitably are thrown together...
496
01:04:04,366 --> 01:04:08,994
and, no man of honour would desert
a lifelong friend...
497
01:04:09,036 --> 01:04:11,871
at the request of a common enemy.
498
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,168
Gentlemen, excuse us.
499
01:04:29,467 --> 01:04:32,303
You're not the only game
in town, Mr Mandela.
500
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:35,806
Don't you see?
501
01:04:37,181 --> 01:04:40,684
This is your chance to seize
the initiative.
502
01:04:41,393 --> 01:04:44,853
The ANC think they can bomb
their way into power...
503
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:50,525
but a few words from you,
condemning the violence...
504
01:04:52,401 --> 01:04:54,986
will not only secure your freedom...
505
01:04:56,572 --> 01:05:02,617
but will ensure that you alone...
506
01:05:02,659 --> 01:05:05,036
will be the man the Government
deals with.
507
01:05:07,454 --> 01:05:12,500
You, alone, can lead us all out
of this impasse.
508
01:05:19,130 --> 01:05:23,174
Haven't your years of sacrifice
earned you that right?
509
01:06:12,878 --> 01:06:14,796
This is the situation.
510
01:06:16,839 --> 01:06:18,965
All ANC bombing operations...
511
01:06:18,966 --> 01:06:22,427
fall under the command and
control structure in Lusaka.
512
01:06:22,469 --> 01:06:26,804
But, some of our cadres,
believing force to be the only way...
513
01:06:26,846 --> 01:06:29,432
sometimes act without authority.
514
01:06:31,475 --> 01:06:33,519
Operations can get bungled.
515
01:06:35,311 --> 01:06:36,646
Innocent people...
516
01:06:38,021 --> 01:06:39,064
get killed.
517
01:06:41,857 --> 01:06:43,609
But, you have my word...
518
01:06:44,401 --> 01:06:47,071
that I will do everything
in my power...
519
01:06:47,112 --> 01:06:51,824
to ensure that civilians no longer
suffer from our inadequacies.
520
01:06:53,033 --> 01:06:56,911
Are you telling us that you are unable
to control some of your...
521
01:06:57,954 --> 01:07:01,665
renegade cadres, Mr Mbeki?
522
01:07:02,457 --> 01:07:05,084
If you know the truth
of our situation, Professor...
523
01:07:06,460 --> 01:07:10,463
you will see that the issue
of violence...
524
01:07:10,505 --> 01:07:14,257
is irrevocably connected to
the other issues we wrestle with.
525
01:07:14,924 --> 01:07:18,468
Only when we can participate
in a truly democratic process...
526
01:07:18,510 --> 01:07:23,722
will our armed struggle
become obsolete.
527
01:07:23,764 --> 01:07:28,934
Only then will the conflict
between us end.
528
01:07:41,443 --> 01:07:44,697
- How did you sleep?
- Not too bad. You?
529
01:07:45,531 --> 01:07:48,532
Alright, except for terrible
dreams about lawyers.
530
01:07:48,533 --> 01:07:49,951
Oh, yes. That is a nightmare.
531
01:07:51,910 --> 01:07:55,245
So, anyway, Thatcher is in Moscow...
532
01:07:55,246 --> 01:07:57,081
the crowds in Red Square are all
over her, mobbing her...
533
01:07:57,123 --> 01:08:00,500
She's getting quite queasy with all
this adulation...
534
01:08:00,542 --> 01:08:04,211
so, she says to her interpreter,
'I'm not a communist, you know? '
535
01:08:05,171 --> 01:08:08,339
And, they shout back,
'Neither are we! '
536
01:08:18,555 --> 01:08:23,517
I came here believing what happened
at Roodeport had derailed everything...
537
01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:26,186
you changed that.
538
01:08:27,061 --> 01:08:30,856
What you said in that room
will go no further.
539
01:08:37,695 --> 01:08:40,155
- Safe home, Willie.
- May I tell you...
540
01:08:44,074 --> 01:08:47,074
how truly sorry
I am about your son.
541
01:08:51,949 --> 01:08:52,657
Thank you.
542
01:09:38,281 --> 01:09:39,239
Thabo?
543
01:10:15,612 --> 01:10:17,237
Come off the road.
544
01:12:38,274 --> 01:12:41,401
There was an incident on the way
from the airport.
545
01:12:45,613 --> 01:12:48,531
They were not security agents.
546
01:12:54,202 --> 01:12:57,079
Word is out about your talks.
547
01:12:57,287 --> 01:13:00,957
Some of the militants will
use any tactics to halt them.
548
01:13:01,916 --> 01:13:05,834
For two decades we've said only
force will crush the enemy.
549
01:13:06,126 --> 01:13:08,836
Instead of force,
we now preach talks.
550
01:13:10,004 --> 01:13:12,673
They see that as a betrayal.
551
01:13:12,714 --> 01:13:15,508
And when you pressed him
on the violence issue...
552
01:13:15,509 --> 01:13:19,553
did he admit the ANC high command
now sanction civilian targets?
553
01:13:19,595 --> 01:13:22,221
He made the same point
he has made from the beginning...
554
01:13:22,222 --> 01:13:23,974
cessation of violence...
555
01:13:24,015 --> 01:13:28,518
is contingent on the Government
committing to a democratic process.
556
01:13:37,483 --> 01:13:41,485
You told him there can be no question
of that while the violence continues?
557
01:13:41,527 --> 01:13:44,696
Tell me, Doctor,
should they agree to...
558
01:13:45,780 --> 01:13:50,033
give up the armed struggle and
negotiate with the government...
559
01:13:50,075 --> 01:13:52,285
what would you give them in return?
560
01:13:52,702 --> 01:13:56,496
You cannot go into negotiation without
bringing something to the table.
561
01:13:56,538 --> 01:13:58,330
Yet you send me in empty handed.
562
01:13:58,372 --> 01:14:01,248
Don't be surprised if I come
back empty handed.
563
01:14:01,249 --> 01:14:04,251
You are not empowered
to negotiate, Professor.
564
01:14:06,627 --> 01:14:10,047
You're wrong. Doctor.
Talk is not cheap.
565
01:14:18,846 --> 01:14:20,763
It's all we have left.
566
01:14:47,908 --> 01:14:50,492
Mr Esterhuyse takes the view that...
567
01:14:50,534 --> 01:14:52,994
before formal negotiations
can take place...
568
01:14:53,036 --> 01:14:55,495
concessions, must be made
on both sides.
569
01:14:56,246 --> 01:15:00,166
If we make a gesture by
releasing Mandela...
570
01:15:00,208 --> 01:15:03,585
I said nothing about making
concessions to Mandela's freedom.
571
01:15:03,586 --> 01:15:06,463
This is no longer a matter
of political survival, sir.
572
01:15:06,963 --> 01:15:09,340
Your policy of buying us time
has created a...
573
01:15:11,216 --> 01:15:14,593
a vacuum of uncertainty
that is only fuelling the violence.
574
01:15:14,635 --> 01:15:16,136
You know what I think?
575
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:21,890
This is about your own survival,
covering your own sorry arse.
576
01:15:23,682 --> 01:15:26,768
If you are seen to take
the initiative with the ANC...
577
01:15:27,852 --> 01:15:30,728
history will always acknowledge it was
you who had the statesmanship...
578
01:15:30,729 --> 01:15:35,316
and vision to pull this country back,
from the brink of civil war.
579
01:15:35,358 --> 01:15:37,858
You alone averted that catastrophe.
580
01:15:37,859 --> 01:15:41,487
History might also say I took
my hand off the tiller too soon.
581
01:15:45,073 --> 01:15:49,200
I give way on Mandela's freedom now,
I give away our trump card.
582
01:15:49,575 --> 01:15:51,661
He's a man like any other.
583
01:15:51,702 --> 01:15:53,703
The more he gets of it,
the more he'll want it.
584
01:15:56,038 --> 01:15:57,831
Mandela is the key.
585
01:16:14,636 --> 01:16:17,763
- Where to today?
- A surprise.
586
01:16:57,624 --> 01:17:00,168
Control, confirm
subject arrival.
587
01:17:11,968 --> 01:17:13,719
Everything is alright,
no problems.
588
01:18:17,639 --> 01:18:20,808
I hope you like your
new quarters, Mr Mandela?
589
01:18:22,643 --> 01:18:24,602
This is Warrant Officer Swart.
590
01:18:25,561 --> 01:18:27,854
He'll look after you.
Do your cooking and so on.
591
01:18:30,940 --> 01:18:33,358
We've met before, at Robben Island.
592
01:18:33,942 --> 01:18:35,944
I used to drive you to the quarry.
593
01:18:36,235 --> 01:18:39,821
I hope you are a better cook
than you were a driver.
594
01:18:43,657 --> 01:18:47,953
Give him the tour.
I'll leave you to settle in.
595
01:18:49,620 --> 01:18:52,872
There's three bedrooms.
This is the largest.
596
01:18:53,665 --> 01:18:56,834
I'm sure you'll find the bed more
comfortable than you're used to.
597
01:19:36,069 --> 01:19:39,029
The departmental conference
is postponed, professor.
598
01:20:38,405 --> 01:20:40,574
This is Michael Young.
Please leave a message.
599
01:20:40,616 --> 01:20:42,033
This is Esterhuyse.
600
01:20:43,201 --> 01:20:44,243
I suggest...
601
01:20:45,368 --> 01:20:48,829
that you make a date for
the next meeting as soon as possible.
602
01:21:05,091 --> 01:21:07,258
- I missed you.
- It's nice to see you back.
603
01:21:12,596 --> 01:21:15,807
Marigolds.
Pansies.
604
01:21:17,766 --> 01:21:21,811
This one is in the wrong place.
It needs more light.
605
01:21:22,394 --> 01:21:25,438
You pick a spot.
I'll fetch a shovel.
606
01:22:48,998 --> 01:22:50,373
Mr President?
607
01:22:51,124 --> 01:22:53,041
Mr President, are you alright?
608
01:22:54,251 --> 01:22:56,335
We need an ambulance now.
609
01:22:58,087 --> 01:23:01,381
Hip, hip, hooray!
610
01:23:10,888 --> 01:23:12,638
Bye bye, Tata.
611
01:23:24,939 --> 01:23:26,524
My dear friend.
612
01:23:26,566 --> 01:23:33,404
At best, Botha regarded my gilded cage
as a way to seduce me into submission.
613
01:23:35,072 --> 01:23:40,159
But I have had twenty years
to prepare me for this moment.
614
01:23:42,535 --> 01:23:46,037
Talking to Barnard was
a high risk strategy...
615
01:23:46,038 --> 01:23:48,331
but you can trust in one thing.
616
01:23:49,248 --> 01:23:53,085
That I am not negotiating terms
with the government...
617
01:23:53,126 --> 01:23:56,920
but facilitating the process
for the ANC to do so.
618
01:23:59,381 --> 01:24:05,635
Surely, you and I have come too far
to let them divide us now.
619
01:24:09,388 --> 01:24:12,055
The election of the new
State President F. W. De Klerk...
620
01:24:12,056 --> 01:24:14,641
has sparked a wave
of violence across the country.
621
01:24:16,059 --> 01:24:18,561
And sensitivity about
his commitment to reform...
622
01:24:18,603 --> 01:24:20,437
seems to be fuelling the violence.
623
01:24:21,146 --> 01:24:23,648
Mr De Klerk's position
to the right of the National Party...
624
01:24:23,689 --> 01:24:27,776
have left some observers
to question his appetite for change.
625
01:24:28,943 --> 01:24:32,737
Botha's mistake was his reliance
on his security apparatus...
626
01:24:32,779 --> 01:24:36,198
at the expense of protecting
his power base in Parliament.
627
01:24:37,157 --> 01:24:41,119
I must tell you, that is a mistake
I do not intend to repeat.
628
01:24:44,496 --> 01:24:47,580
My mistake was accommodating his
plan to try and divide Mandela...
629
01:24:47,581 --> 01:24:50,792
from the ANC in a futile attempt
to cling on to power.
630
01:24:51,209 --> 01:24:54,461
My discussions with Mr Mandela have
convinced me that the only way...
631
01:24:54,503 --> 01:24:57,422
of doing that now is to give some
of it away and negotiate.
632
01:24:57,838 --> 01:25:00,465
Before it's taken from us.
633
01:25:01,799 --> 01:25:04,384
You've been detained
long enough, Doctor.
634
01:25:05,969 --> 01:25:07,720
Gentlemen, shall we?
635
01:25:12,683 --> 01:25:18,270
Help us end Apartheid now!
636
01:25:18,812 --> 01:25:21,397
I doubt we're looking at
the Messiah of change.
637
01:25:22,732 --> 01:25:25,025
De Klerk is a life long
apologist for apartheid.
638
01:25:25,066 --> 01:25:27,109
Presumably that's why his party
chose him.
639
01:25:27,151 --> 01:25:30,820
Names for the next meeting.
I've added a new one.
640
01:25:31,154 --> 01:25:34,363
- Mix things up a bit.
- Willem De Klerk?
641
01:25:34,364 --> 01:25:37,491
- Yes, the President's brother.
- How prescient of you.
642
01:25:42,579 --> 01:25:44,371
I'm hoping he's got
his brother's ear.
643
01:25:44,455 --> 01:25:47,706
Unlike F.W.,
he's on record condemning apartheid.
644
01:25:47,707 --> 01:25:51,418
What if his brother vetoes his
attendance? Along with Esterhuyse?
645
01:25:51,460 --> 01:25:54,754
Esterhuyse is committed now.
Nothing will keep him away.
646
01:25:54,795 --> 01:25:57,464
Unless his passport is revoked.
647
01:26:10,307 --> 01:26:14,018
This is the Esterhuyse residence.
We're not home right now.
648
01:26:14,060 --> 01:26:16,144
If you leave a message.
We'll call you back.
649
01:26:18,228 --> 01:26:20,314
And you're sure that
he's nowhere in the University?
650
01:26:22,148 --> 01:26:23,691
I've tried him at home.
651
01:26:33,156 --> 01:26:36,742
Thabo. Tony. Aziz.
Good to see you again.
652
01:26:39,327 --> 01:26:42,371
- The others aren't here yet?
- They will be. They will be.
653
01:26:44,955 --> 01:26:47,206
If he contacts you,
or if you see him...
654
01:26:47,207 --> 01:26:50,458
tell him to call Michael Young
as soon as possible.
655
01:26:50,459 --> 01:26:52,461
I'll be waiting by the phone.
656
01:27:39,327 --> 01:27:41,453
Tell him that I can't see him now.
657
01:27:48,083 --> 01:27:51,210
The President will be unable
to see you today after all, Doctor.
658
01:27:51,752 --> 01:27:54,421
His diary secretary will
be in touch, sir.
659
01:28:32,407 --> 01:28:35,700
Bloody highway pile-up.
Stuck there for hours.
660
01:28:35,701 --> 01:28:36,409
Gentlemen.
661
01:28:36,784 --> 01:28:39,202
- Michael Young, Mr De Klerk.
- How do you do?
662
01:28:39,244 --> 01:28:43,080
Willem De Klerk, Journalist and
political commentator, Thabo Mbeki.
663
01:28:44,582 --> 01:28:46,333
- Pleased to meet you.
- Pleasure, sir.
664
01:28:47,751 --> 01:28:48,959
Shall we?
665
01:28:56,049 --> 01:28:57,550
You had us worried there.
666
01:28:57,967 --> 01:29:00,552
You don't get rid of me that easily.
667
01:29:31,073 --> 01:29:33,200
My dear friend and comrade.
668
01:29:34,075 --> 01:29:38,370
I cannot tell you my relief
to hear from you at last.
669
01:29:39,245 --> 01:29:43,040
Had you contacted me before,
I could have warned you...
670
01:29:43,082 --> 01:29:47,125
that yours are not the only talks
taking place with the Government.
671
01:29:47,459 --> 01:29:51,380
Your release is high on the agenda
of those discussions.
672
01:29:51,755 --> 01:29:55,383
Given the hard line position
of the new State President...
673
01:29:55,424 --> 01:29:59,010
the future of those talks
must now hang in the balance.
674
01:30:00,135 --> 01:30:04,180
Call it what it is, Willie.
Minority rights, equals white rights.
675
01:30:04,222 --> 01:30:05,847
In other words, you want us to
ensure...
676
01:30:05,889 --> 01:30:08,516
the privileges whites enjoy
are perpetuated.
677
01:30:08,517 --> 01:30:13,727
The idea of group rights is that
no group has dominance over another.
678
01:30:13,728 --> 01:30:15,021
White or black.
679
01:30:15,729 --> 01:30:19,065
Isn't that what your non-racial
credo is all about?
680
01:30:19,107 --> 01:30:20,984
But without assurance of that...
681
01:30:21,025 --> 01:30:24,820
the President will never come
to the negotiating table.
682
01:30:26,070 --> 01:30:27,905
Is that not so, Willem?
683
01:30:33,867 --> 01:30:36,744
That's not for me to say, Professor.
684
01:30:41,414 --> 01:30:43,875
De Klerk's brother
doesn't give much away.
685
01:30:44,375 --> 01:30:48,003
He frequently points out he's
not his brother's keeper.
686
01:30:50,754 --> 01:30:53,590
He barely got his feet under
the table, give him time.
687
01:30:53,591 --> 01:30:54,966
Time is the enemy.
688
01:30:55,008 --> 01:30:59,511
Every day he procrastinates,
is one closer to bloody insurrection.
689
01:30:59,553 --> 01:31:01,095
What is Barnard's sense of him?
690
01:31:01,721 --> 01:31:06,182
Barnard's access to the President's
office is not what it used to be.
691
01:31:07,266 --> 01:31:10,810
We must rely on his brother
for that now.
692
01:31:13,854 --> 01:31:17,940
I thought we might discuss your
impressions of the day, Willem?
693
01:31:17,982 --> 01:31:19,774
I've some excellent brandy
in my room.
694
01:31:19,816 --> 01:31:21,401
Another night, perhaps.
695
01:31:29,656 --> 01:31:31,283
My dear friend...
696
01:31:31,867 --> 01:31:37,162
our struggle is now at a tipping
point, as is our country.
697
01:31:37,621 --> 01:31:41,082
We must try and convince De Klerk
and his government...
698
01:31:41,124 --> 01:31:43,792
that the whites have nothing
to fear from us.
699
01:31:44,627 --> 01:31:49,546
It is not revenge that governs
us, but reconciliation.
700
01:31:49,588 --> 01:31:54,800
We must use every method open
to us to make him understand...
701
01:31:54,842 --> 01:31:58,677
that unless he acts soon,
we cannot deliver.
702
01:31:58,719 --> 01:32:00,012
What is he waiting for?
703
01:32:00,054 --> 01:32:02,513
How many more weeks,
how many more months until he acts?
704
01:32:02,555 --> 01:32:06,308
And where is he on Mandela? Can he not
see the longer he keeps him in prison...
705
01:32:06,350 --> 01:32:08,601
the more time he is giving
for mob rule to take hold?
706
01:32:08,643 --> 01:32:09,393
Exactly!
707
01:32:09,435 --> 01:32:12,854
I do not have the answers
you're looking for, Mr Mbeki.
708
01:32:12,896 --> 01:32:16,774
My brother is not in the habit of
confiding in me about Government policy.
709
01:32:16,815 --> 01:32:18,900
Or anyone else, it seems.
710
01:32:22,945 --> 01:32:23,654
Yes.
711
01:32:24,654 --> 01:32:27,364
Yes, I understand well.
Are you absolutely sure?
712
01:32:30,282 --> 01:32:32,034
We can't put it like that.
713
01:32:34,078 --> 01:32:39,957
Yes, it's important, but
it's a waste of time.
714
01:33:09,227 --> 01:33:13,730
I apologise. I lost track of...
715
01:33:18,025 --> 01:33:21,235
Shall we start by returning to
the outstanding items from yesterday?
716
01:33:21,236 --> 01:33:23,654
I wonder...
Do you mind, I'm sorry?
717
01:33:24,363 --> 01:33:28,532
On behalf of my brother, I have
some issues for clarification.
718
01:33:29,325 --> 01:33:30,868
If you will bear with me.
719
01:33:36,330 --> 01:33:37,373
One...
720
01:33:39,207 --> 01:33:43,419
when would it be possible for
the ANC to embark on talks...
721
01:33:43,460 --> 01:33:47,629
about how to progress formal
negotiations with the Government?
722
01:33:47,671 --> 01:33:49,006
Two.
723
01:33:49,047 --> 01:33:53,217
What would your preconditions
be to such talks...
724
01:33:54,467 --> 01:33:57,970
and, three... what agenda
would be acceptable to you?
725
01:34:13,230 --> 01:34:16,858
You can... tell the President...
726
01:34:18,776 --> 01:34:23,863
there will be no preconditions
on our side...
727
01:34:25,073 --> 01:34:31,328
and we leave it to him
to determine the agenda.
728
01:34:33,495 --> 01:34:35,206
As for timing...
729
01:34:39,208 --> 01:34:41,335
we are ready when he is.
730
01:34:55,969 --> 01:35:00,556
And your position on the cease
fire of violence?
731
01:35:01,473 --> 01:35:05,059
We would order that all violence
be suspended...
732
01:35:05,100 --> 01:35:07,144
while negotiations take place.
733
01:35:08,811 --> 01:35:12,064
When a new constitution
has been agreed...
734
01:35:12,981 --> 01:35:16,359
we will give the instruction that
the armed struggle...
735
01:35:17,943 --> 01:35:20,154
is to be abandoned.
736
01:36:32,496 --> 01:36:33,539
Oliver.
737
01:36:36,708 --> 01:36:37,791
Thabo.
738
01:36:41,085 --> 01:36:43,962
Would you read this for me, please?
739
01:36:48,924 --> 01:36:51,676
"Although we have been apart
all these years..."
740
01:36:52,385 --> 01:36:56,679
It's as if I've been conducting
a lifelong conversation...
741
01:36:56,721 --> 01:36:58,431
with you in my head.
742
01:37:01,892 --> 01:37:07,020
All I pray now, is that you recover
so, God willing...
743
01:37:07,061 --> 01:37:10,064
we can continue it face to face.
744
01:37:12,983 --> 01:37:15,152
As for my freedom...
745
01:37:15,943 --> 01:37:21,531
it is a secondary matter
until you are strong again.
746
01:37:22,364 --> 01:37:27,452
And, until all those imprisoned
have won theirs.
747
01:37:27,911 --> 01:37:32,580
I must be the last
to gain his liberty.
748
01:37:37,459 --> 01:37:41,128
He wouldn't give a name,
much less take no for an answer.
749
01:37:47,549 --> 01:37:48,925
Esterhuyse.
750
01:37:49,008 --> 01:37:51,676
I suppose the weather's
the usual crap?
751
01:37:53,053 --> 01:37:55,137
Is that what you called to discuss?
752
01:37:58,765 --> 01:38:00,308
What time is it over there?
753
01:38:01,892 --> 01:38:05,479
- Noon.
- Turn on your TV. 2 pm, your time.
754
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:24,826
Now, as we wait for what's been
billed as an historic address.
755
01:38:24,867 --> 01:38:28,411
Let's reflect on the momentous events
of the past few months.
756
01:38:29,037 --> 01:38:32,789
The tearing down of the Berlin Wall
and the end of the Cold War.
757
01:38:33,206 --> 01:38:36,500
But, South Africa has had many
false dawns.
758
01:38:36,542 --> 01:38:40,837
So many speeches which have promised
so much, yet delivered so little.
759
01:38:42,004 --> 01:38:45,673
Here now is President De Klerk
flanked by his cabinet.
760
01:38:47,216 --> 01:38:50,008
As he makes his way to the podium,
all of South Africa...
761
01:38:50,009 --> 01:38:52,553
and indeed the world,
holds it's breath.
762
01:38:53,762 --> 01:38:58,723
My Government has taken the decision
to immediately and unconditionally...
763
01:38:58,765 --> 01:39:01,435
release Mr Nelson Mandela.
764
01:39:02,811 --> 01:39:05,145
I've also instructed that the
prohibition...
765
01:39:05,146 --> 01:39:08,313
of the African National Congress
the Pan African Congress...
766
01:39:08,314 --> 01:39:12,568
and the South African Communist
Party be immediately lifted.
767
01:39:13,610 --> 01:39:16,154
The time has come to negotiate.
768
01:39:16,946 --> 01:39:19,488
The hopes of millions
of South Africans...
769
01:39:19,489 --> 01:39:21,574
will be centred on that process.
770
01:39:22,616 --> 01:39:26,911
We must not falter.
We dare not fail.
771
01:39:27,995 --> 01:39:29,121
Thank you.
772
01:39:33,624 --> 01:39:37,084
We go now to Victor Verster Prison,
where Mr Mandela...
773
01:39:37,126 --> 01:39:40,503
the man who's been imprisoned
for nearly three decades...
774
01:39:40,545 --> 01:39:44,214
72 years old, will be
appearing in public...
775
01:39:44,256 --> 01:39:46,841
for the first time, any moment now.
776
01:39:48,301 --> 01:39:50,177
International media perched.
777
01:39:51,511 --> 01:39:53,220
The crowd getting excited.
778
01:39:54,138 --> 01:39:54,972
That's him.
779
01:39:56,016 --> 01:40:00,310
And there is Mister Mandela.
Nelson Mandela. A free man.
780
01:40:00,810 --> 01:40:04,480
Taking his first steps into
a new South Africa.
781
01:40:08,649 --> 01:40:11,902
Mrs Winnie Mandela next to him
waving to the crowds.
782
01:40:12,610 --> 01:40:14,779
And a salute
from Mr Nelson Mandela.
783
01:40:14,820 --> 01:40:19,281
His wife greeting the people who have
been waiting for so long for this day.
784
01:40:23,284 --> 01:40:26,453
This is the man that the world's
been waiting to see.
785
01:40:26,495 --> 01:40:29,997
His first public appearance
in 27 years.
786
01:40:30,998 --> 01:40:34,958
The day for which he too,
has waited so long.
787
01:41:00,602 --> 01:41:02,270
We owe you so much more.
788
01:41:03,562 --> 01:41:06,649
It takes a big man to make
himself invisible.
789
01:41:09,192 --> 01:41:10,025
Thank you.
790
01:41:10,692 --> 01:41:13,945
Thank you. Michael.
Thank you.
791
01:41:20,533 --> 01:41:21,492
Stay safe.
792
01:41:24,327 --> 01:41:25,412
And you...
793
01:41:27,579 --> 01:41:29,164
comrade.64833
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