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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,210 --> 00:00:14,960 Wolf Blitzer: It won't be the death chamber, 2 00:00:14,962 --> 00:00:16,962 and it might not even be prison. 3 00:00:17,014 --> 00:00:20,299 Reporter: Robert Durst could soon be back on the street. 4 00:00:20,301 --> 00:00:23,635 Woman: I think it's horrible. I, I can't believe he got off. 5 00:00:23,637 --> 00:00:25,187 My take, this is scary, 6 00:00:25,222 --> 00:00:26,388 that this guy is going to be free, 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,557 just based on what he did with the body, et cetera. 8 00:00:28,609 --> 00:00:31,276 And he's a possible suspect in two other murders? 9 00:00:31,312 --> 00:00:34,897 It was utter disbelief. I mean, utter disbelief. 10 00:00:34,949 --> 00:00:37,149 The New York Times, generally not known for their 11 00:00:37,151 --> 00:00:38,700 ironic humorous take on things, 12 00:00:38,736 --> 00:00:41,153 "New York City Real Estate Heir Is Acquitted of Murder in Texas. 13 00:00:41,155 --> 00:00:42,988 Durst, Who Cut Up a Body..." 14 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:44,656 [Laughter from audience] 15 00:00:44,658 --> 00:00:49,161 Ha ha ha! "Argued Self-Defense." 16 00:00:49,213 --> 00:00:52,548 That's as close as The New York Times will ever come 17 00:00:52,583 --> 00:00:55,751 to literally just making a joke on the front page. 18 00:00:55,803 --> 00:00:57,052 That's like The New York Times just going, 19 00:00:57,087 --> 00:00:59,555 "Can you [beep] believe this?" 20 00:00:59,590 --> 00:01:01,473 Nothing happens the way it's supposed to happen 21 00:01:01,509 --> 00:01:03,509 when it comes to Bobby Durst, 22 00:01:03,511 --> 00:01:04,810 and I've become accustomed to 23 00:01:04,845 --> 00:01:07,229 expecting things not to make sense. 24 00:01:07,264 --> 00:01:10,432 You chopped up your neighbor. Tell us about that. 25 00:01:10,484 --> 00:01:14,736 Well, he raged at me and, as I was defending myself, 26 00:01:14,772 --> 00:01:18,607 I fell, and accidentally, uh, chopped him up. 27 00:01:18,659 --> 00:01:19,825 And of course, The New York Post 28 00:01:19,860 --> 00:01:21,577 strikes a more cautionary pose. 29 00:01:21,612 --> 00:01:23,529 "Run For Your Lives." 30 00:01:23,581 --> 00:01:26,748 [Audience and Stewart laugh] 31 00:01:26,784 --> 00:01:28,333 Murder 1, you know, we're gonna go, 32 00:01:28,369 --> 00:01:31,036 "Murder 1, this is a slam dunk." 33 00:01:31,088 --> 00:01:32,204 That's the phrase that was used 34 00:01:32,206 --> 00:01:35,257 by the Galveston Police to me in person. 35 00:01:35,292 --> 00:01:36,708 "Slam dunk, Jim." 36 00:01:42,266 --> 00:01:44,183 DeGuerin: There are some people that, no matter how much 37 00:01:44,218 --> 00:01:46,351 money they threw at the case, 38 00:01:46,387 --> 00:01:48,220 were convicted and shouldn't have been. 39 00:01:48,222 --> 00:01:52,224 And there are people that escape responsibility 40 00:01:52,226 --> 00:01:56,862 because they're able to mount a really effective defense. 41 00:01:59,733 --> 00:02:03,485 Do I think it's unfair? Yeah, I do think it's unfair. 42 00:02:03,537 --> 00:02:05,737 But, we are in a capitalistic system, 43 00:02:05,739 --> 00:02:08,207 and the people that make the money can drive the Cadillacs, 44 00:02:08,242 --> 00:02:11,076 and people that don't make as much money 45 00:02:11,078 --> 00:02:12,628 have to get... Buy a used car. 46 00:02:17,251 --> 00:02:19,334 Reporter: Did you have anything to do with Susan Berman's death? 47 00:02:21,338 --> 00:02:22,588 Did you murder your wife? 48 00:02:22,640 --> 00:02:26,675 Cazalas: Whether it's the LAPD bringing him to trial, 49 00:02:26,727 --> 00:02:29,094 whether it's Westchester County District Attorney's Office 50 00:02:29,146 --> 00:02:32,014 bringing him to trial, 51 00:02:32,066 --> 00:02:35,267 whether it's the FBI bringing him to trial, 52 00:02:35,319 --> 00:02:38,854 whether it's the security guard at Disney World 53 00:02:38,906 --> 00:02:41,940 bringing him to trial, I really don't care. 54 00:02:43,777 --> 00:02:45,911 I hope they get a conviction. 55 00:02:45,946 --> 00:02:48,830 I hope if they, if whoever prosecutes him, 56 00:02:48,866 --> 00:02:50,499 I hope they get a conviction. 57 00:02:50,534 --> 00:02:54,870 Because I really believe our society is much safer 58 00:02:54,922 --> 00:02:57,923 with him behind bars without him roaming around. 59 00:03:11,349 --> 00:03:16,270 Sundown on the sorry day 60 00:03:16,272 --> 00:03:20,991 By night lights, the children pray 61 00:03:21,025 --> 00:03:26,029 I know you're probably getting ready for bed 62 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:30,951 Beautiful woman, get out of my head 63 00:03:31,002 --> 00:03:36,089 I'm so tired of the same old crud 64 00:03:36,124 --> 00:03:40,794 Sweet baby, I need fresh blood 65 00:03:40,796 --> 00:03:42,129 Whoo! 66 00:03:45,933 --> 00:03:47,968 Howl! 67 00:03:55,777 --> 00:03:58,028 Howl! 68 00:04:06,262 --> 00:04:11,177 Sync, corrected by icephoenix www.addic7ed.com 69 00:04:14,984 --> 00:04:18,190 _ 70 00:04:36,690 --> 00:04:39,391 Robert Durst, voice-over: There are times when I'm in a situation 71 00:04:39,443 --> 00:04:43,445 where I, I will have people staring at me. 72 00:04:45,266 --> 00:04:47,266 I can tell they're talking about me. 73 00:04:47,318 --> 00:04:50,986 And they're telling somebody else that, you know, I'm me. 74 00:04:52,656 --> 00:04:54,523 There's a lot of people out there 75 00:04:54,575 --> 00:04:59,578 who think I killed my wife, that I killed Susan Berman, 76 00:04:59,613 --> 00:05:04,116 that I intentionally murdered Morris Black. 77 00:05:04,168 --> 00:05:05,868 "And it's quite possible that 78 00:05:05,870 --> 00:05:08,453 he's killed a whole slew of other people." 79 00:05:08,506 --> 00:05:11,874 That is what I would think if I was 80 00:05:11,876 --> 00:05:14,960 as familiar with the media as I am about me. 81 00:05:18,622 --> 00:05:20,789 [Cell phone ringing] 82 00:05:26,296 --> 00:05:27,512 Hello. 83 00:05:29,382 --> 00:05:31,299 Oh, Nicky! How are you? 84 00:05:33,053 --> 00:05:34,469 Woman: Can I have a name for the drink? 85 00:05:34,521 --> 00:05:36,521 Durst: Bob. 86 00:05:36,556 --> 00:05:38,473 And you got a tall Americano, right? 87 00:05:38,475 --> 00:05:40,725 - Woman: Yes, we do. - And what do we owe you? 88 00:05:40,777 --> 00:05:42,777 $5.44. 89 00:05:42,813 --> 00:05:43,895 Thank you. 90 00:05:54,825 --> 00:05:57,158 Bagli: The whole Bob Durst headline 91 00:05:57,210 --> 00:06:00,879 had absolutely no affect on the Durst Organization's ability 92 00:06:00,914 --> 00:06:03,498 to work and thrive in New York. 93 00:06:07,637 --> 00:06:09,220 Reporter: Douglas Durst is the chairman of 94 00:06:09,256 --> 00:06:12,557 the Durst Organization, one of the most powerful companies 95 00:06:12,592 --> 00:06:15,343 in Manhattan real estate for almost a century. 96 00:06:16,730 --> 00:06:18,680 This past summer, the Port Authority 97 00:06:18,732 --> 00:06:22,350 awarded the Durst Organization the right to take over leasing, 98 00:06:22,352 --> 00:06:25,069 management, and operation of the Freedom Tower. 99 00:06:29,025 --> 00:06:32,410 Bob's case, it's like something that's over there 100 00:06:32,445 --> 00:06:36,281 and totally separate from the Durst Organization, 101 00:06:36,333 --> 00:06:39,250 because there's a whole generation of people that don't, 102 00:06:39,286 --> 00:06:42,120 have never had contact with, with Bob. 103 00:06:45,208 --> 00:06:47,375 Kreeger: Bob was more, like, on the periphery from my memory. 104 00:06:47,410 --> 00:06:50,812 He was, you know, like my mom's older brother. 105 00:06:50,847 --> 00:06:53,715 Except for those first few months in early '82, 106 00:06:53,767 --> 00:06:56,134 when my aunt was missing and it was in the papers. 107 00:06:56,186 --> 00:06:58,136 And I guess it was on TV or whatever. 108 00:06:58,188 --> 00:07:01,189 Um, it was just not talked about at all. 109 00:07:01,224 --> 00:07:02,891 And, you know, I was 11 when that happened. 110 00:07:04,644 --> 00:07:07,729 Later on in my twenties it was like, "Oh, and by the way, 111 00:07:07,781 --> 00:07:10,281 "your uncle, Robert Durst, might have 112 00:07:10,317 --> 00:07:12,400 something to do with her disappearance." 113 00:07:12,452 --> 00:07:14,068 So that's like, "OK." 114 00:07:15,655 --> 00:07:18,790 I mean, I, I don't know how one is supposed to react to that. 115 00:07:18,825 --> 00:07:22,043 I feel the way I reacted to, which made sense at the time, 116 00:07:22,078 --> 00:07:23,077 was, you know, my parents were like, 117 00:07:23,129 --> 00:07:24,662 "Look, there's nothing we can do, 118 00:07:24,714 --> 00:07:26,414 and we just don't talk about it, whatever." 119 00:07:26,416 --> 00:07:31,252 And I don't blame them for doing that or not doing anything. 120 00:07:31,304 --> 00:07:35,840 But I'm not happy about the fact that it's 30 years later, 121 00:07:35,892 --> 00:07:40,094 and there's a Berlin Wall of silence. 122 00:07:40,146 --> 00:07:42,847 Unfortunately, there is no haven from 123 00:07:42,899 --> 00:07:46,768 what's going on with my brother, 124 00:07:46,770 --> 00:07:49,270 as it's in the papers quite frequently. 125 00:07:49,272 --> 00:07:51,990 But it's not something that we discuss, 126 00:07:52,025 --> 00:07:55,610 and not something that we have any involvement in. 127 00:07:55,631 --> 00:07:59,144 _ 128 00:07:59,165 --> 00:08:02,250 Pirro: I knew as soon as the verdict came down in Galveston 129 00:08:02,285 --> 00:08:04,786 that I couldn't get the closure 130 00:08:04,788 --> 00:08:07,919 that I wanted for Kathleen's family. 131 00:08:07,943 --> 00:08:09,575 _ 132 00:08:09,593 --> 00:08:12,260 That then put it back on the front burner 133 00:08:12,295 --> 00:08:14,128 in terms of, "OK, guys. 134 00:08:14,130 --> 00:08:16,347 "Let's regroup, find out what we've got. 135 00:08:16,383 --> 00:08:18,633 "Find out if we can get anything else, 136 00:08:18,635 --> 00:08:20,685 and where we go from here." 137 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,304 We really wanted to try to figure out if there was anyone 138 00:08:23,356 --> 00:08:26,474 from in the family who'd break and give us something. 139 00:08:26,476 --> 00:08:29,277 One of the things that always bothered me about the case, 140 00:08:29,312 --> 00:08:32,614 I mean, here is Seymour Durst, one of the 5 most powerful 141 00:08:32,649 --> 00:08:34,983 real estate people in the city, 142 00:08:35,035 --> 00:08:37,285 and his daughter-in-law goes missing. 143 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,372 And there's not one hint of it in the police files, 144 00:08:41,408 --> 00:08:43,658 that this is a big, gigantic case. 145 00:08:45,745 --> 00:08:48,630 There's no interviews with anybody from Bob's family 146 00:08:48,665 --> 00:08:52,467 in the original case folder, which is kind of strange. 147 00:08:52,502 --> 00:08:54,419 You know, if Seymour Durst is worth 148 00:08:54,471 --> 00:08:56,971 a couple hundred million dollars, you want to find out 149 00:08:57,007 --> 00:08:59,173 what he thinks about his daughter-in-law missing. 150 00:09:01,678 --> 00:09:03,227 Jarecki: Was your dad engaged in any way 151 00:09:03,263 --> 00:09:04,429 when Kathie disappeared? 152 00:09:04,481 --> 00:09:05,813 Did he do anything? 153 00:09:07,734 --> 00:09:12,070 Oh, he, he, um, 154 00:09:12,105 --> 00:09:16,024 really, really wanted to leave it to me. 155 00:09:16,076 --> 00:09:19,193 Do you think that, that Seymour ever thought 156 00:09:19,245 --> 00:09:20,745 that you might have had something to do 157 00:09:20,780 --> 00:09:21,863 with her disappearance? 158 00:09:21,915 --> 00:09:23,364 I haven't the faintest idea. 159 00:09:23,366 --> 00:09:26,117 I highly, highly, highly doubt it, 160 00:09:26,169 --> 00:09:30,171 but Seymour's thoughts were inscrutable. 161 00:09:37,764 --> 00:09:42,884 Struk: 10, 11 weeks after the case began, I received a call. 162 00:09:42,886 --> 00:09:48,806 And a male voice on the other end, "Hi, Mike." 163 00:09:48,858 --> 00:09:52,643 And I said, "Who's this?" "This is Nick." 164 00:09:52,696 --> 00:09:55,863 And I said, "Nick who?" 165 00:09:55,899 --> 00:09:57,648 And he says, "Nick Scoppetta." 166 00:09:59,119 --> 00:10:01,619 "Bob Durst, you know, really appreciates 167 00:10:01,654 --> 00:10:04,872 "the work that you're doing and is very satisfied. 168 00:10:04,908 --> 00:10:07,792 "But, you know, Bob is a very busy guy, 169 00:10:07,827 --> 00:10:11,045 "and that I would appreciate that all, 170 00:10:11,081 --> 00:10:16,584 all other communication going forward you do through me." 171 00:10:16,636 --> 00:10:19,087 And that's the classic lawyering up. 172 00:10:19,139 --> 00:10:23,591 Now, if you've got, you know, nothing to hide, 173 00:10:23,643 --> 00:10:26,511 and you've dropped your wife off at the train station, 174 00:10:26,563 --> 00:10:30,014 why would you go out and hire a criminal defense attorney? 175 00:10:31,901 --> 00:10:33,601 Jarecki: Nick Scoppetta was your lawyer 176 00:10:33,603 --> 00:10:38,272 to defend you from the potential of accusations. 177 00:10:38,274 --> 00:10:39,774 He was my lawyer, but he was 178 00:10:39,776 --> 00:10:41,359 supposed to find Kathie Durst. 179 00:10:41,411 --> 00:10:43,161 I mean, if he could find Kathie Durst, 180 00:10:43,196 --> 00:10:44,946 there'd be no accusations. 181 00:10:46,116 --> 00:10:47,949 Jarecki: Was he supposed to find Kathie? 182 00:10:47,951 --> 00:10:51,869 Yes. It was the whole intent of it. 183 00:10:51,921 --> 00:10:53,504 Jarecki: Do you think that Nick did work 184 00:10:53,540 --> 00:10:55,456 to try to find Kathie? 185 00:10:55,508 --> 00:10:58,793 Yes! He brought in a private investigator 186 00:10:58,845 --> 00:11:01,546 who used to be a cop in, or used to be 187 00:11:01,598 --> 00:11:04,465 a big cop in that precinct. 188 00:11:04,517 --> 00:11:06,050 What was the name? Ed Wright. 189 00:11:06,102 --> 00:11:08,686 [Telephone ringing] 190 00:11:08,721 --> 00:11:09,804 Wright: Hello. 191 00:11:09,826 --> 00:11:14,604 _ 192 00:11:16,465 --> 00:11:21,156 _ 193 00:11:21,175 --> 00:11:22,749 _ 194 00:11:22,772 --> 00:11:24,616 _ 195 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:29,254 _ 196 00:11:29,269 --> 00:11:30,291 _ 197 00:11:31,641 --> 00:11:33,907 _ 198 00:11:33,931 --> 00:11:36,350 _ 199 00:11:36,368 --> 00:11:40,014 _ 200 00:11:40,032 --> 00:11:43,824 _ 201 00:11:43,846 --> 00:11:48,296 _ 202 00:11:48,314 --> 00:11:51,648 _ 203 00:11:51,668 --> 00:11:56,159 _ 204 00:11:56,736 --> 00:11:59,570 Ed Wright was able to get lots of stuff from the police. 205 00:11:59,606 --> 00:12:02,490 He knew the police. The police liked him. 206 00:12:02,525 --> 00:12:04,525 He was able to get information 207 00:12:04,527 --> 00:12:07,695 that was theoretically unavailable. 208 00:12:07,697 --> 00:12:10,498 Who thought what? Who said what? 209 00:12:11,528 --> 00:12:13,900 _ 210 00:12:13,923 --> 00:12:15,230 _ 211 00:12:15,254 --> 00:12:18,600 _ 212 00:12:18,615 --> 00:12:23,940 _ 213 00:12:23,963 --> 00:12:28,132 _ 214 00:12:28,143 --> 00:12:33,228 _ 215 00:12:38,924 --> 00:12:43,685 _ 216 00:12:46,988 --> 00:12:48,631 _ 217 00:12:48,655 --> 00:12:50,738 Struk: It's titled "Discrepancies in the Recollection 218 00:12:50,790 --> 00:12:52,790 of Various Principals." 219 00:12:52,825 --> 00:12:56,744 It's Ed Wright's view of where there are inconsistencies 220 00:12:56,746 --> 00:13:01,666 in his own client's accounting of what, what went on 221 00:13:01,718 --> 00:13:03,167 the night his wife disappeared. 222 00:13:04,888 --> 00:13:06,837 Reporter: Good evening. She talked on the telephone 223 00:13:06,890 --> 00:13:09,340 with her husband, then she vanished. 224 00:13:09,392 --> 00:13:12,677 And no one has seen Kathleen Durst since. 225 00:13:16,766 --> 00:13:19,517 Struk: This particular report indicates how Bob Durst 226 00:13:19,569 --> 00:13:21,986 had changed his story to his own investigator 227 00:13:22,021 --> 00:13:27,074 about where he called Kathie on the night of January 31. 228 00:13:27,110 --> 00:13:29,026 In the first interview with Wright, 229 00:13:29,078 --> 00:13:32,697 Mr. Durst stated that he called from his own house. 230 00:13:32,749 --> 00:13:34,749 On the second interview, he told Mr. Wright 231 00:13:34,784 --> 00:13:36,183 that he'd made the call to his wife 232 00:13:36,219 --> 00:13:37,818 from a payphone in a restaurant. 233 00:13:39,656 --> 00:13:42,890 He later on stated that he had called Kathie from a payphone 234 00:13:42,926 --> 00:13:44,625 between the house and the train station. 235 00:13:46,262 --> 00:13:47,845 He was kind of all over the board. 236 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,516 Once Wright was telling these people 237 00:13:52,552 --> 00:13:56,687 that there's deception on the part of their son and brother, 238 00:13:56,723 --> 00:13:59,390 I would think that behind the scenes there was a great deal of 239 00:13:59,442 --> 00:14:01,976 alarm concerning this matter. 240 00:14:04,147 --> 00:14:06,030 Reporter: Police are satisfied that Mrs. Durst 241 00:14:06,065 --> 00:14:08,983 made it to the couple's apartment on Riverside Drive. 242 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,155 Struk: During our investigation, the doorman told us he saw her 243 00:14:14,157 --> 00:14:16,991 arrive home that Sunday evening and go to her apartment. 244 00:14:18,962 --> 00:14:21,212 But in an interview conducted by Mr. Wright, 245 00:14:21,247 --> 00:14:24,165 the doorman told him that actually he didn't see her. 246 00:14:24,185 --> 00:14:25,759 _ 247 00:14:25,782 --> 00:14:27,765 _ 248 00:14:27,771 --> 00:14:29,556 _ 249 00:14:29,579 --> 00:14:30,838 He would have been the guy to bring her up. 250 00:14:30,890 --> 00:14:34,258 And if he didn't see her, she wasn't there. 251 00:14:42,735 --> 00:14:45,736 The Durst Family... His father or brothers... 252 00:14:45,772 --> 00:14:48,189 Never offered to help us, or never said, 253 00:14:48,191 --> 00:14:50,608 "Look, we have a private investigator involved in it. 254 00:14:50,660 --> 00:14:52,660 Anything he finds he'll share with you." 255 00:14:55,365 --> 00:14:57,415 They just further backed away. 256 00:14:59,721 --> 00:15:04,585 _ 257 00:15:04,609 --> 00:15:07,578 _ 258 00:15:07,585 --> 00:15:09,517 _ 259 00:15:09,540 --> 00:15:12,981 _ 260 00:15:12,998 --> 00:15:16,497 _ 261 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,363 _ 262 00:15:24,069 --> 00:15:26,065 _ 263 00:15:26,089 --> 00:15:28,215 _ 264 00:15:28,231 --> 00:15:30,648 Me? I must have had 10 or a dozen meetings, 265 00:15:30,700 --> 00:15:32,400 including the ones in our office 266 00:15:32,452 --> 00:15:34,318 where Douglas was usually there, 267 00:15:34,370 --> 00:15:36,954 and the ones in, in Nick's office. 268 00:15:36,977 --> 00:15:40,394 _ 269 00:15:40,417 --> 00:15:41,909 5, 6. Like that. 270 00:15:46,299 --> 00:15:48,249 Murphy: I think at this point if they admit that they knew 271 00:15:48,251 --> 00:15:51,335 anything back in 1982, makes them complicit. 272 00:15:51,387 --> 00:15:53,671 And they don't want that shame to come on them. 273 00:15:53,723 --> 00:15:56,257 "Oh, I didn't say anything then because I was afraid of..." 274 00:15:56,259 --> 00:15:57,725 Whatever, whatever the deal is, 275 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,510 they just can't come forward now. 276 00:15:59,562 --> 00:16:01,345 And I don't, I don't expect them to. 277 00:16:08,337 --> 00:16:09,804 Kreeger: It's upsetting to think that 278 00:16:09,839 --> 00:16:12,740 because you're living up there on Mt. Olympus, 279 00:16:12,775 --> 00:16:17,611 it's not necessary to talk to regular people 280 00:16:17,613 --> 00:16:23,367 about extraordinary problems. 281 00:16:23,419 --> 00:16:26,287 You know, a disappearance of a woman, it's a tragedy. 282 00:16:26,339 --> 00:16:27,588 It's a trauma. 283 00:16:27,623 --> 00:16:29,457 It's like a wound, you know. 284 00:16:29,509 --> 00:16:32,543 Whatever I'm going through as a member of the Durst family, 285 00:16:32,595 --> 00:16:33,627 I can't imagine what it's like 286 00:16:33,679 --> 00:16:35,463 to be a member of the McCormack family, 287 00:16:35,515 --> 00:16:36,881 my Aunt Kathie's family. 288 00:16:40,970 --> 00:16:44,271 Elizabeth McCormack: She disappeared two weeks after I was born. 289 00:16:44,307 --> 00:16:48,058 So, I wasn't really aware of the first, 290 00:16:48,111 --> 00:16:52,480 first years of this tragedy, when it was most raw. 291 00:16:52,482 --> 00:16:54,865 You know, I only came kind of to an understanding of it 292 00:16:54,901 --> 00:16:58,486 when I was an early teenager... 12, 13 years old... 293 00:16:58,488 --> 00:17:03,657 When people started remarking on our physical resemblance. 294 00:17:03,659 --> 00:17:05,993 I mean, I haven't seen this. Oh, my God. 295 00:17:08,247 --> 00:17:09,580 This could be me. 296 00:17:11,667 --> 00:17:12,917 Yeah, that's incredible. 297 00:17:16,589 --> 00:17:18,005 It's chilling for me. 298 00:17:21,477 --> 00:17:24,178 Jim McCormack: You know that fact that, you know, my mom, 299 00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:26,180 who was a contemporary of Seymour Durst, 300 00:17:26,182 --> 00:17:28,516 never even got a courtesy call to say, 301 00:17:28,518 --> 00:17:29,850 "How are you doing? How can we help?" 302 00:17:29,902 --> 00:17:32,153 has always stuck in my craw. 303 00:17:32,188 --> 00:17:36,190 And I never got a call from Wendy or Tommy or, or Doug. 304 00:17:36,192 --> 00:17:38,275 I didn't expect a call from Bob. 305 00:17:38,327 --> 00:17:41,162 It's been like, you know, just an ignored family. 306 00:17:44,867 --> 00:17:48,118 I wish I could say that it, it brought everybody closer, 307 00:17:48,171 --> 00:17:52,206 but I don't think that would be the truth. 308 00:17:52,258 --> 00:17:56,177 You know, I think... It was this thing 309 00:17:56,212 --> 00:17:58,179 because there was no closure. 310 00:17:58,214 --> 00:18:01,215 It's not, it's not like losing someone and knowing why, 311 00:18:01,267 --> 00:18:04,969 where you can all rally around a common understanding 312 00:18:05,021 --> 00:18:09,690 or a common emotion or range of emotions. 313 00:18:09,725 --> 00:18:13,611 This was so, everything was so shrouded in mystery. 314 00:18:13,646 --> 00:18:19,066 There was so much anger, and no opportunity to truly grieve. 315 00:18:19,068 --> 00:18:22,736 And I think that maybe missing that grieving process 316 00:18:22,738 --> 00:18:23,954 was hard on the family. 317 00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:27,575 I mean, I think, I think that's why it's still, 318 00:18:27,627 --> 00:18:28,742 we're still talking about it. 319 00:18:30,302 --> 00:18:32,310 _ 320 00:18:32,331 --> 00:18:34,498 30 years 321 00:18:34,550 --> 00:18:37,084 as of January 31 of this year. 322 00:18:37,836 --> 00:18:38,963 _ 323 00:18:38,987 --> 00:18:40,819 _ 324 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,723 Yeah, I went to mass that morning. 325 00:18:42,758 --> 00:18:44,925 I remembered Kathie. 326 00:18:44,977 --> 00:18:46,760 And actually, I spoke in front of 327 00:18:46,812 --> 00:18:48,596 the congregation that was there. 328 00:18:48,648 --> 00:18:50,681 And it had prayers said for Kathie, 329 00:18:50,733 --> 00:18:52,983 and we also had prayers said for Bob. 330 00:18:54,770 --> 00:18:57,154 For Kathie, for her peace. 331 00:18:57,189 --> 00:18:58,606 And for Bob, for his conscience. 332 00:19:04,664 --> 00:19:07,531 Maybe something will come of this, huh? 333 00:19:07,583 --> 00:19:10,451 Wouldn't it be nice? You never know. 334 00:19:10,503 --> 00:19:14,955 You read those, "Years later, they found out this 335 00:19:15,007 --> 00:19:16,790 and they found out that." 336 00:19:16,842 --> 00:19:18,125 And there might be somebody out there 337 00:19:18,177 --> 00:19:21,595 that knows something and is keeping quiet. So... 338 00:19:23,049 --> 00:19:24,131 [Chuckles] 339 00:19:26,302 --> 00:19:27,635 Kreeger: I'd started to write this essay 340 00:19:27,687 --> 00:19:31,472 about my Aunt Kathie's disappearance as a way to heal. 341 00:19:31,474 --> 00:19:33,023 I forget if I had the idea initially 342 00:19:33,059 --> 00:19:34,692 or somebody in my family may have suggested 343 00:19:34,727 --> 00:19:38,145 I could talk to Douglas to get his take. 344 00:19:38,197 --> 00:19:41,031 The way it ended up, it was a deal. 345 00:19:41,067 --> 00:19:42,616 That's what it was. 346 00:19:42,652 --> 00:19:44,985 I get to call him on the phone for 15 minutes. 347 00:19:44,987 --> 00:19:46,654 "No, he wants to email." 348 00:19:46,706 --> 00:19:48,155 "No, it's 10 questions." 349 00:19:48,207 --> 00:19:49,657 "No, it's 5." "No, it's 3." 350 00:19:49,709 --> 00:19:50,824 And I think that's what it wound up at. 351 00:19:50,826 --> 00:19:52,626 There was 3 questions. 352 00:19:53,147 --> 00:19:55,389 _ 353 00:19:55,414 --> 00:19:58,499 I think Question Number One was 354 00:19:58,551 --> 00:20:03,887 "Do, uh... What memories do you have of Aunt Kathie?" 355 00:20:03,923 --> 00:20:08,976 And his answer was "My memories of Kathie are my memories." 356 00:20:09,011 --> 00:20:10,761 Question Number Two I believe was 357 00:20:10,813 --> 00:20:13,013 "Have you seen the movie All Good Things, 358 00:20:13,015 --> 00:20:14,898 "or are you aware that those filmmakers 359 00:20:14,934 --> 00:20:16,900 are making a documentary?" 360 00:20:16,936 --> 00:20:20,187 And his answer was "No." 361 00:20:20,189 --> 00:20:22,323 And then the third question was 362 00:20:22,358 --> 00:20:24,908 "Do you think that the Westchester D.A. 363 00:20:24,944 --> 00:20:28,996 will reopen the case on my Aunt Kathie?" 364 00:20:29,031 --> 00:20:33,584 And his answer was "I don't have any knowledge 365 00:20:33,619 --> 00:20:35,869 of how the Westchester D.A. operates" 366 00:20:35,921 --> 00:20:38,422 or something like that, and that was it. 367 00:20:38,457 --> 00:20:39,590 [Telephone ringing] 368 00:20:40,796 --> 00:20:42,722 _ 369 00:20:42,745 --> 00:20:45,023 _ 370 00:20:45,035 --> 00:20:46,626 _ 371 00:20:46,649 --> 00:20:47,741 _ 372 00:20:47,765 --> 00:20:48,434 _ 373 00:20:48,457 --> 00:20:50,037 _ 374 00:20:50,048 --> 00:20:52,102 _ 375 00:20:52,126 --> 00:20:53,359 _ 376 00:20:53,371 --> 00:20:54,416 _ 377 00:20:54,439 --> 00:20:55,684 _ 378 00:20:55,707 --> 00:20:56,247 _ 379 00:20:56,271 --> 00:20:57,586 _ 380 00:20:57,610 --> 00:20:59,226 [Telephone ringing] 381 00:21:00,731 --> 00:21:01,811 _ 382 00:21:01,835 --> 00:21:02,880 _ 383 00:21:02,903 --> 00:21:03,843 _ 384 00:21:03,854 --> 00:21:05,228 _ 385 00:21:05,252 --> 00:21:07,494 _ 386 00:21:07,500 --> 00:21:08,968 _ 387 00:21:08,991 --> 00:21:10,577 _ 388 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,772 _ 389 00:21:12,795 --> 00:21:14,333 _ 390 00:21:14,357 --> 00:21:15,778 _ 391 00:21:17,339 --> 00:21:19,993 _ 392 00:21:20,005 --> 00:21:21,484 _ 393 00:21:21,507 --> 00:21:24,231 _ 394 00:21:24,243 --> 00:21:26,985 _ 395 00:21:27,008 --> 00:21:30,331 _ 396 00:21:30,348 --> 00:21:31,839 _ 397 00:21:31,863 --> 00:21:32,954 _ 398 00:21:32,966 --> 00:21:35,514 _ 399 00:21:35,537 --> 00:21:38,203 _ 400 00:21:38,220 --> 00:21:40,357 _ 401 00:21:40,381 --> 00:21:42,165 _ 402 00:21:42,188 --> 00:21:43,270 [Hangs up] 403 00:21:46,942 --> 00:21:49,076 Jarecki: We're going to see Bob Durst's brother Douglas. 404 00:21:50,279 --> 00:21:53,447 See what we can learn face-to-face 405 00:21:53,449 --> 00:21:56,333 by getting to know the man a bit. 406 00:21:56,368 --> 00:21:57,918 Man: Have you ever met him before? 407 00:21:57,953 --> 00:21:59,119 I've never met him before. 408 00:21:59,171 --> 00:22:02,790 I've seen him around a few social occasions. 409 00:22:02,792 --> 00:22:06,126 But we're going to go to a dinner in his honor. 410 00:22:14,203 --> 00:22:17,486 _ 411 00:22:19,030 --> 00:22:23,084 _ 412 00:22:23,105 --> 00:22:27,342 _ 413 00:22:27,363 --> 00:22:31,132 _ 414 00:22:31,156 --> 00:22:35,341 _ 415 00:22:35,365 --> 00:22:39,063 _ 416 00:22:39,078 --> 00:22:40,994 [Applause] 417 00:22:45,555 --> 00:22:48,907 _ 418 00:22:48,922 --> 00:22:51,235 _ 419 00:22:51,257 --> 00:22:52,673 [Laughter] 420 00:22:52,693 --> 00:22:55,159 _ 421 00:22:55,177 --> 00:22:58,178 [Laughter] 422 00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:59,346 Can I interrupt you? 423 00:22:59,348 --> 00:23:00,931 - First I want to congratulate you. - Thank you. 424 00:23:00,983 --> 00:23:02,983 Then I want to tell you I'm Andrew Jarecki. 425 00:23:03,018 --> 00:23:04,151 Oh, you are. 426 00:23:04,186 --> 00:23:06,320 I mean you no harm. I'm, I'm interested in, 427 00:23:06,355 --> 00:23:09,189 you know, at some point, us getting a chance to talk. 428 00:23:09,241 --> 00:23:11,191 Well, I've tried. It's not my fault. 429 00:23:11,193 --> 00:23:12,192 You know, I'd be happy to come 430 00:23:12,194 --> 00:23:13,360 sit down and talk at some point 431 00:23:13,362 --> 00:23:16,363 if you're, you know, so motivated. 432 00:23:16,365 --> 00:23:17,831 Off the record, or, you know, 433 00:23:17,867 --> 00:23:19,283 just sort of say what we're working on. 434 00:23:20,591 --> 00:23:21,319 _ 435 00:23:21,337 --> 00:23:22,452 That's my idea. 436 00:23:23,796 --> 00:23:25,651 _ 437 00:23:25,674 --> 00:23:26,707 Well, anyway, congratulations. 438 00:23:26,759 --> 00:23:27,791 I wanted to just say "hi." 439 00:23:51,734 --> 00:23:54,067 You know, it's as if Doug has become 440 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,404 the eldest son of the Durst family. 441 00:23:57,456 --> 00:24:00,707 It must be very strange for Bob to not exist. 442 00:24:00,743 --> 00:24:03,377 You know? For Bob to be this guy who... 443 00:24:03,412 --> 00:24:06,246 I mean, it gives you a little of an idea of why, you know, 444 00:24:06,248 --> 00:24:07,381 why he wants to be in our film. 445 00:24:13,005 --> 00:24:14,588 Robert Durst, voice-over: I worked here my whole time. 446 00:24:14,594 --> 00:24:16,567 _ 447 00:24:16,592 --> 00:24:19,977 The whole time... '74 to '92-ish. 448 00:24:20,012 --> 00:24:22,429 Jarecki: Wow. 449 00:24:22,481 --> 00:24:24,681 We had the 32nd floor. 450 00:24:28,983 --> 00:24:30,920 _ 451 00:24:30,940 --> 00:24:33,273 Well, you know, a long time ago now. 452 00:24:33,325 --> 00:24:36,693 But that's where I spent those 18 years. 453 00:24:36,745 --> 00:24:37,995 Yeah, you know, you can't set up 454 00:24:38,030 --> 00:24:40,330 any tripods on the property without, uh... 455 00:24:40,366 --> 00:24:42,199 - Woman: OK, we have no tripods. - OK, OK. 456 00:24:42,251 --> 00:24:43,200 Jarecki: Do you, can you tell me 457 00:24:43,252 --> 00:24:44,701 where you work, do you work here? 458 00:24:44,753 --> 00:24:48,372 Yeah, I work for, I'm security for the building. I patrol... 459 00:24:48,424 --> 00:24:49,790 - Who owns the building? - Huh? 460 00:24:49,842 --> 00:24:50,841 Who owns the building? 461 00:24:50,876 --> 00:24:52,009 The building is Royal Realty. 462 00:24:52,044 --> 00:24:53,427 A company called Royal Realty. 463 00:24:53,462 --> 00:24:54,711 They own the building. 464 00:24:54,763 --> 00:24:56,513 But that, the "D" on your thing, is that...? 465 00:24:56,548 --> 00:24:58,682 Yes, yes. Why, why, who are you with? 466 00:24:58,717 --> 00:25:00,634 We're actually making a film about Robert Durst. 467 00:25:00,636 --> 00:25:03,136 Oh, um, I'm, I'm not authorized 468 00:25:03,138 --> 00:25:05,138 to give you any information at this time. 469 00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:06,940 You know? OK. 470 00:25:06,976 --> 00:25:07,941 Thank you very much, sir. 471 00:25:07,977 --> 00:25:09,393 OK, Doug. All right. 472 00:25:09,445 --> 00:25:11,311 Jarecki: But it's not a secret that that's a "D" for Durst... 473 00:25:11,313 --> 00:25:12,479 Security guard: OK, I understand that. 474 00:25:12,481 --> 00:25:14,731 But I'm not authorized to give any information. 475 00:25:14,783 --> 00:25:16,733 Jarecki: I don't want to put you in an uncomfortable position. 476 00:25:16,785 --> 00:25:17,901 All right. Thank you. 477 00:25:23,826 --> 00:25:26,793 Well, I'm here with Andrew and 4 other people 478 00:25:26,829 --> 00:25:28,879 being filmed in Times Square. 479 00:25:28,914 --> 00:25:31,131 And as soon as we got here, 480 00:25:31,166 --> 00:25:34,968 immediately Douglas' security people were there. 481 00:25:35,004 --> 00:25:36,336 Make sure you get all the profile. 482 00:25:38,140 --> 00:25:39,640 Jarecki: What are you following us around for? 483 00:25:42,144 --> 00:25:43,894 Robert Durst: When they saw all the cameras, 484 00:25:43,929 --> 00:25:47,347 they all were on the telephone calling whomever. 485 00:25:47,399 --> 00:25:49,766 There must have been 6 of them. 486 00:25:49,818 --> 00:25:53,020 And they, uh, watched us, and Andrew filmed them. 487 00:25:53,072 --> 00:25:55,739 And that's how I spent the last hour and a half. 488 00:26:01,196 --> 00:26:03,280 Man: How do you feel about your brother Douglas Durst? 489 00:26:03,332 --> 00:26:04,915 Robert Durst: I don't get along with him. 490 00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:06,083 Why not? 491 00:26:06,118 --> 00:26:07,701 [Laughs] I'd have to go back 492 00:26:07,753 --> 00:26:09,336 to when we were 5. 493 00:26:09,371 --> 00:26:12,339 [Laughter] 494 00:26:12,374 --> 00:26:14,041 Let's go back to when you were 5. 495 00:26:14,043 --> 00:26:15,125 Why don't you get along with him? 496 00:26:15,177 --> 00:26:17,044 [Laughs] We, we, 497 00:26:17,046 --> 00:26:19,930 I, I think I remember he stole my toys. 498 00:26:26,555 --> 00:26:27,888 Kreeger: We're talking about a sibling rivalry 499 00:26:27,940 --> 00:26:31,224 that's quite advanced in terms of who's going to run 500 00:26:31,226 --> 00:26:32,893 a billion-dollar business. 501 00:26:32,895 --> 00:26:35,062 And the eldest doesn't win that, 502 00:26:35,114 --> 00:26:40,400 and it goes to, you know, the, the second eldest. 503 00:26:40,402 --> 00:26:41,368 And, um... 504 00:26:47,993 --> 00:26:51,712 Bagli: You could argue that Bob's failure to be chosen 505 00:26:51,747 --> 00:26:53,547 to take on the family business 506 00:26:53,582 --> 00:26:57,417 was a betrayal of biblical proportions. 507 00:27:02,808 --> 00:27:03,590 Robert Durst on phone: Did I tell you that I went 508 00:27:03,642 --> 00:27:05,926 to his Katonah house? 509 00:27:05,928 --> 00:27:07,511 Charatan on phone: Uh, I think I read that you did, 510 00:27:07,563 --> 00:27:10,680 but I didn't, I don't remember if you told me. 511 00:27:10,733 --> 00:27:14,067 Robert Durst: I was driving around these places I grew up, 512 00:27:14,103 --> 00:27:15,435 my family places, and... 513 00:27:15,437 --> 00:27:16,520 Charatan: Oh, it was in the newspaper then. 514 00:27:16,572 --> 00:27:19,022 Robert Durst: Yeah, yeah. But, but, but 515 00:27:19,074 --> 00:27:21,191 I really went... My plan... 516 00:27:21,243 --> 00:27:22,659 Charatan: Don't say it. OK? 517 00:27:22,694 --> 00:27:23,994 Robert Durst: I'm definitely not going to say it. 518 00:27:24,029 --> 00:27:25,612 Charatan: OK. But you told me what your plans were, 519 00:27:25,614 --> 00:27:28,865 and I told you that I knew, I had a feeling, I suspected. 520 00:27:28,917 --> 00:27:32,786 Remember? If I suspected, he knew it, too. 521 00:27:34,706 --> 00:27:36,339 Bagli: While Bob was on the run, 522 00:27:36,375 --> 00:27:41,461 he pulled into the driveway of his brother's home in Katonah. 523 00:27:41,513 --> 00:27:43,463 He had two guns in his car. 524 00:27:44,767 --> 00:27:48,435 I think that convinced Douglas more than ever 525 00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:49,970 that his brother was out to kill him. 526 00:27:53,776 --> 00:27:55,642 Woman: The press reported that you had hired a bodyguard 527 00:27:55,694 --> 00:27:57,194 to protect yourself against Robert Durst. 528 00:27:57,229 --> 00:27:58,945 Is that true? 529 00:27:58,981 --> 00:28:00,147 That is true, yes. 530 00:28:12,211 --> 00:28:16,329 Uh... Ridiculous. 531 00:28:18,550 --> 00:28:20,834 I think it's absolutely ridiculous. 532 00:28:22,671 --> 00:28:25,505 Right here. I want you to photograph me 533 00:28:25,507 --> 00:28:26,840 in front of Douglas's house. 534 00:28:26,842 --> 00:28:28,809 Now that I know that it's Douglas's house. 535 00:28:33,015 --> 00:28:34,181 Uh. 536 00:28:37,152 --> 00:28:38,318 This is it. 537 00:28:39,571 --> 00:28:40,687 Jarecki: How strange is this? 538 00:28:42,024 --> 00:28:44,074 I mean, I think he's not going to be satisfied unless 539 00:28:44,109 --> 00:28:46,493 somebody comes and tells him to move. 540 00:29:03,378 --> 00:29:04,794 I'm finished, fellas. 541 00:29:12,387 --> 00:29:14,554 Man: When did you first meet Robert Durst? 542 00:29:14,556 --> 00:29:19,309 Heh. I think I met him in 1988. 543 00:29:21,230 --> 00:29:23,563 At the time, was he married? 544 00:29:23,565 --> 00:29:26,783 Heh. That's a very tricky question, as you know. 545 00:29:26,818 --> 00:29:28,235 But let's say he was. 546 00:29:32,743 --> 00:29:36,148 _ 547 00:29:36,161 --> 00:29:40,997 Man: In the fall of 2000, had you heard reports that 548 00:29:41,049 --> 00:29:44,134 the Westchester District Attorney was investigating 549 00:29:44,169 --> 00:29:47,754 the disappearance of Mr. Durst's first wife? 550 00:29:47,806 --> 00:29:48,922 Yes. 551 00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:53,894 Murphy: We know that Bobby found out that Kathie's case 552 00:29:53,929 --> 00:29:57,180 was going to be reopened October 31 of 2000. 553 00:29:58,433 --> 00:30:01,484 From there, he went into a defensive mode. 554 00:30:03,105 --> 00:30:07,157 The next day, he made a purchase for a, a jewelry purchase, 555 00:30:07,192 --> 00:30:09,409 which I believe is the engagement ring for Debrah. 556 00:30:09,427 --> 00:30:12,401 _ 557 00:30:16,752 --> 00:30:17,951 So, now, you know, 558 00:30:17,953 --> 00:30:19,369 he has the husband-wife privilege. 559 00:30:19,421 --> 00:30:21,955 And that's exactly when he signed over 560 00:30:21,957 --> 00:30:23,055 all the power of attorney. 561 00:30:23,076 --> 00:30:27,164 _ 562 00:30:27,179 --> 00:30:29,346 Bagli: A lot of people believe 563 00:30:29,381 --> 00:30:31,798 that Debbie knows Bob's secrets, 564 00:30:31,850 --> 00:30:33,800 whatever they may be. 565 00:30:35,220 --> 00:30:37,304 Man: Did you discuss the reopening of the investigation 566 00:30:37,356 --> 00:30:39,389 with Mr. Durst, before you were married? 567 00:30:41,476 --> 00:30:43,476 Yes. 568 00:30:43,478 --> 00:30:46,146 What did he tell you about that? 569 00:30:46,148 --> 00:30:48,565 Charatan's attorney: Um, I'm going to object to anything that goes 570 00:30:48,617 --> 00:30:50,784 to the spousal privilege in terms of communications. 571 00:30:50,819 --> 00:30:54,120 You want to ask her about facts that she knows, 572 00:30:54,156 --> 00:30:55,121 the witness can answer that. But... 573 00:30:55,157 --> 00:30:59,125 My question specifically framed 574 00:30:59,161 --> 00:31:01,077 going to before they were married. 575 00:31:01,129 --> 00:31:02,212 Attorney: OK. 576 00:31:15,227 --> 00:31:20,981 I guess that what he told me was that he was scared. 577 00:31:21,016 --> 00:31:22,182 Scared of what? 578 00:31:23,986 --> 00:31:26,653 Of Jeanine Pirro opening up the investigation. 579 00:31:27,689 --> 00:31:28,855 Concerned. 580 00:31:30,275 --> 00:31:33,493 Pirro: I spoke with his wife Debrah Charatan. 581 00:31:33,528 --> 00:31:35,996 She called her lawyer almost immediately. 582 00:31:36,031 --> 00:31:40,450 Uh, she was somewhat, um, polite. 583 00:31:40,502 --> 00:31:43,086 But I think she wanted to learn more from us 584 00:31:43,121 --> 00:31:45,922 than she was willing to tell us. 585 00:31:45,957 --> 00:31:48,208 Lovely woman. Elegant. Smart. 586 00:31:50,045 --> 00:31:53,296 Couldn't remember where Robert Durst was around Christmastime, 587 00:31:53,348 --> 00:31:55,382 even though they were newlyweds. 588 00:31:55,434 --> 00:31:56,549 [Chuckles] 589 00:31:57,719 --> 00:32:00,103 Man: Did you learn around Christmas of 2000 590 00:32:00,138 --> 00:32:03,106 that Susan Berman had been killed? 591 00:32:03,141 --> 00:32:05,392 - Yes. - How did you learn that? 592 00:32:05,444 --> 00:32:08,278 I was driving in a taxicab, 593 00:32:08,313 --> 00:32:11,364 on my way home to the city, to the apartment, 594 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:12,565 and I heard it on the radio. 595 00:32:38,510 --> 00:32:41,928 Man: At that time, was Mr. Durst 596 00:32:41,930 --> 00:32:43,480 in residence at your house? 597 00:32:49,988 --> 00:32:51,237 I don't think so. 598 00:32:53,775 --> 00:32:59,028 I've never been able to put Bobby in Los Angeles 599 00:32:59,081 --> 00:33:00,580 at the time of the murder. 600 00:33:00,615 --> 00:33:01,948 I could put him in California. 601 00:33:04,202 --> 00:33:05,919 Murphy: We spoke to people out in California, 602 00:33:05,954 --> 00:33:08,288 and at least two people told us that Susan had said 603 00:33:08,290 --> 00:33:11,291 Bob was going to come and visit some time around the holidays, 604 00:33:11,343 --> 00:33:14,094 and she was, she was looking forward to it. 605 00:33:14,129 --> 00:33:18,047 In fact, we found out that Bob went out to Northern California 606 00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:20,467 sometime close to Susan's murder. 607 00:33:26,725 --> 00:33:29,225 Jarecki: Now, what was in Trinidad, California? 608 00:33:29,277 --> 00:33:32,061 Oh, it was very rural, very pretty. 609 00:33:32,114 --> 00:33:34,147 I had lived there off and on. 610 00:33:37,369 --> 00:33:39,402 The police, I think, made a big deal out of the idea 611 00:33:39,454 --> 00:33:43,239 that you had gone to California around the time 612 00:33:43,291 --> 00:33:45,742 that Susan Berman was murdered. 613 00:33:45,794 --> 00:33:49,245 I, I got there a long time before December 23. 614 00:33:49,297 --> 00:33:50,914 A long time before Christmas. 615 00:33:53,668 --> 00:34:00,140 Vitalie: I picked Bob up on December 19 in 2000 616 00:34:00,175 --> 00:34:04,427 And took him down to Harper Ford, pick up his car keys, 617 00:34:04,479 --> 00:34:08,598 and took him back to the airport, 618 00:34:08,650 --> 00:34:10,266 where his car was, apparently. 619 00:34:12,154 --> 00:34:15,655 Coulter: The parking facility at the Arcata Airport, 620 00:34:15,690 --> 00:34:17,941 they keep logs, a daily log 621 00:34:17,993 --> 00:34:21,027 of the vehicles that are kept in the lot. 622 00:34:22,531 --> 00:34:24,464 We did determine that Bobby had 623 00:34:24,499 --> 00:34:28,268 got his vehicle out of the long-term parking lot 624 00:34:28,303 --> 00:34:29,953 on the 19th of December. 625 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,550 Murphy: Bob had at least one calling card 626 00:34:43,552 --> 00:34:45,552 that we found in his records. 627 00:34:45,604 --> 00:34:48,388 These two calls were made the next day, on the 20th, 628 00:34:48,390 --> 00:34:52,725 from a payphone in the town of Garberville, 629 00:34:52,727 --> 00:34:56,112 which is about 80, 90 miles south of Trinidad. 630 00:34:57,983 --> 00:35:00,116 It makes sense that he's moving south. 631 00:35:00,151 --> 00:35:01,234 He's heading down. 632 00:35:05,073 --> 00:35:08,625 Coulter: This is a man who would check his voice messages 633 00:35:08,660 --> 00:35:10,076 several times a day. 634 00:35:10,128 --> 00:35:11,628 And then we found that, 635 00:35:11,663 --> 00:35:16,916 during the 3, 4 days prior to and after Susan's murder, 636 00:35:16,918 --> 00:35:20,303 there's no activity at all on his phone. 637 00:35:20,338 --> 00:35:21,421 The phone company says, like, 638 00:35:21,423 --> 00:35:23,590 the phone is turned off during that time. 639 00:35:39,357 --> 00:35:41,941 He's kind of off the map for 3 days, 640 00:35:41,993 --> 00:35:44,494 until he shows up at the counter in San Francisco 641 00:35:44,529 --> 00:35:46,829 to purchase a ticket. 642 00:35:46,865 --> 00:35:49,949 Coulter: He was on Flight 18 that left San Francisco 643 00:35:49,951 --> 00:35:51,751 at 10:00 in the evening. 644 00:35:54,623 --> 00:35:57,123 Her body was found the following afternoon. 645 00:36:01,963 --> 00:36:05,048 According to the coroner's report and the rigor mortis, 646 00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:08,518 she'd probably been laying there close to 24 hours. 647 00:36:09,771 --> 00:36:10,970 That's ample time to drive 648 00:36:11,022 --> 00:36:13,640 L.A. to San Francisco, catch a flight. 649 00:36:26,655 --> 00:36:30,740 The timing on all of this gets very, very tight, 650 00:36:30,792 --> 00:36:33,326 because it's a long way from 651 00:36:33,378 --> 00:36:35,078 Trinidad to Los Angeles. 652 00:36:35,130 --> 00:36:37,497 I would have had to go from Trinidad to Los Angeles 653 00:36:37,549 --> 00:36:41,634 I don't know when... 19th, 20th, 21st or whatever... 654 00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:45,505 And then gone back to Los Angeles to Trinidad, 655 00:36:45,557 --> 00:36:48,675 and then gone to San Francisco and flown to New York. 656 00:36:48,677 --> 00:36:50,009 And they just conclude... 657 00:36:50,061 --> 00:36:52,562 That's not much time to do all that. 658 00:36:52,597 --> 00:36:54,897 Jarecki: Mm-hmm. 659 00:36:54,933 --> 00:36:56,599 And the L.A. Police have been 660 00:36:56,651 --> 00:36:58,818 investigating for a while now, 661 00:36:58,853 --> 00:37:01,938 and they're unable to put him in Los Angeles. 662 00:37:03,491 --> 00:37:05,992 But they were able to put you in California. 663 00:37:06,027 --> 00:37:07,694 California is a big state. 664 00:37:17,956 --> 00:37:21,374 Lankford: The night that I found out, I went to Susan's house. 665 00:37:23,044 --> 00:37:24,877 There was just a pool of blood there, 666 00:37:24,929 --> 00:37:27,130 and Susan's hair in the blood. 667 00:37:27,182 --> 00:37:33,353 And, you know, it was, um, very disturbing, of course. 668 00:37:33,388 --> 00:37:35,772 And then the little, the little paw prints 669 00:37:35,807 --> 00:37:39,225 of the little doggies, you know, through, through that. 670 00:37:39,277 --> 00:37:43,646 And it was, you know, it was horrible. 671 00:37:43,698 --> 00:37:47,900 It was, it was really a terrible thing to see, 672 00:37:47,952 --> 00:37:54,791 and a terrible thing to see one of your friends like that. 673 00:37:54,826 --> 00:37:56,709 A terrible thing to see. 674 00:38:01,299 --> 00:38:03,082 Padden, Jr.: There is no justice for Susan, 675 00:38:03,134 --> 00:38:06,719 because somebody took her life away, you know, 676 00:38:06,755 --> 00:38:09,222 and she was, she really was 677 00:38:09,257 --> 00:38:15,361 living valiantly to put her life together. 678 00:38:15,397 --> 00:38:19,732 There is justice that remains for everyone who's left behind. 679 00:38:19,768 --> 00:38:22,402 It's, it's for us... Not for Susan. 680 00:38:25,913 --> 00:38:28,637 _ 681 00:38:28,660 --> 00:38:29,776 Lankford: Mm-hmm. 682 00:38:29,799 --> 00:38:30,844 _ 683 00:38:30,868 --> 00:38:33,446 The truth. The truth will set you free. 684 00:38:33,448 --> 00:38:36,833 The truth would help it be all over. 685 00:38:40,538 --> 00:38:44,590 Coulter: Once they had completed the crime scene investigation, 686 00:38:44,626 --> 00:38:47,293 her body had been removed by the coroner's office. 687 00:38:48,797 --> 00:38:53,599 Susan's possessions were released to Sareb Kaufman, 688 00:38:53,635 --> 00:38:57,804 who was the only family that she had there that they could find. 689 00:39:01,109 --> 00:39:03,142 Kaufman: The best I can ever hope for 690 00:39:03,144 --> 00:39:05,978 in finding out what happened is that it, for some reason, 691 00:39:05,980 --> 00:39:08,197 does turn out to be a random act of violence. 692 00:39:08,233 --> 00:39:10,700 That somebody just thought they were 693 00:39:10,735 --> 00:39:12,568 robbing a house that had nothing and killed her. 694 00:39:12,620 --> 00:39:14,203 That's the best I can hope for. 695 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,823 Outside of that, it's a friend. 696 00:39:16,825 --> 00:39:17,990 It's somebody she knew. 697 00:39:18,042 --> 00:39:19,459 It's somebody I've spoken to. 698 00:39:33,732 --> 00:39:36,467 _ 699 00:39:42,684 --> 00:39:44,433 [Telephone ringing] [Beep] 700 00:39:44,486 --> 00:39:46,402 Voicemail: First saved voice message. 701 00:39:47,393 --> 00:39:48,698 _ 702 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:53,878 _ 703 00:39:53,901 --> 00:39:59,185 _ 704 00:39:59,209 --> 00:40:01,991 _ 705 00:40:04,672 --> 00:40:05,922 [Beep] 706 00:40:05,957 --> 00:40:07,707 Voicemail: First saved voice message. 707 00:40:08,224 --> 00:40:09,462 _ 708 00:40:09,482 --> 00:40:12,676 _ 709 00:40:12,700 --> 00:40:15,833 _ 710 00:40:21,389 --> 00:40:22,638 Smerling: Well, do you, do you want to, 711 00:40:22,690 --> 00:40:24,023 should we come up and see what you got? 712 00:40:24,058 --> 00:40:25,141 Or do you want to bring it with you? 713 00:40:25,193 --> 00:40:27,026 What do you...? Yeah. 714 00:40:27,061 --> 00:40:28,778 All right. All right. Bye. 715 00:40:28,813 --> 00:40:30,897 Kaufman: I didn't want you to think, you know, I felt bad. 716 00:40:30,949 --> 00:40:32,365 - I was like... - Smerling: What's all this? 717 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,234 Well, these are audiotapes that were in Susan's possession. 718 00:40:35,236 --> 00:40:36,619 So, some of them... 719 00:40:36,654 --> 00:40:38,654 Like, probably from interviews she did. 720 00:40:38,706 --> 00:40:41,624 Right. And then the memorial is in there. 721 00:40:41,659 --> 00:40:42,909 So, let me see the letter. 722 00:40:44,495 --> 00:40:46,245 And, I mean, of course I told you this, but... 723 00:40:58,092 --> 00:41:00,426 Smerling on recording: He showed me a letter from Bob to Susan 724 00:41:00,478 --> 00:41:03,563 that was from March before she was murdered. 725 00:41:03,598 --> 00:41:04,730 The address written on the front 726 00:41:04,766 --> 00:41:07,066 is exactly like the "cadaver" note, 727 00:41:07,101 --> 00:41:09,018 down to the misspelling of "Beverly." 728 00:41:21,282 --> 00:41:22,615 So, I'm not trying to make you feel... 729 00:41:22,667 --> 00:41:26,919 No. Like I said, and this is kind of why... 730 00:41:26,955 --> 00:41:29,872 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I got you. Got you. 731 00:41:29,924 --> 00:41:32,959 You know, I'm, I, it was clear enough 732 00:41:33,011 --> 00:41:34,677 that I might be dancing with the devil. 733 00:42:04,403 --> 00:42:07,034 _ 734 00:42:13,251 --> 00:42:14,333 I do. 735 00:42:21,092 --> 00:42:23,009 Is it possible for us to get 736 00:42:23,011 --> 00:42:27,763 the inventory of what was taken out of Susan's house 737 00:42:27,815 --> 00:42:29,015 after she was murdered? 738 00:42:29,017 --> 00:42:31,267 Because, you know, you can ask Coulter 739 00:42:31,319 --> 00:42:33,686 whether he saw any other letters. 740 00:42:33,711 --> 00:42:37,340 _ 741 00:42:37,358 --> 00:42:40,693 No, I tried. I dug really deep today. 742 00:42:40,695 --> 00:42:41,694 - No chance. - No chance. 743 00:42:41,696 --> 00:42:44,196 No chance. No chance. 744 00:42:44,248 --> 00:42:45,948 WOMAN: Are you opening up your safe deposit? 745 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,867 Yeah. So, I have to fill out... 746 00:42:55,710 --> 00:43:00,129 JARECKI: I would like to take the next month and, you know, 747 00:43:00,181 --> 00:43:02,214 nothing's bringing Susan back 748 00:43:02,216 --> 00:43:04,967 and nobody's going to know that we have this document. 749 00:43:06,054 --> 00:43:11,390 So, what about, we interview Bob? 750 00:43:11,442 --> 00:43:12,892 We bring it up. 751 00:43:12,944 --> 00:43:14,477 We have it on film. 752 00:43:16,397 --> 00:43:17,697 And now we have something 753 00:43:17,732 --> 00:43:19,281 that the LAPD's going to really want. 754 00:43:19,317 --> 00:43:21,567 Because now we have, without all the bullshit, 755 00:43:21,569 --> 00:43:23,903 without having to go through 800 different levels 756 00:43:23,905 --> 00:43:25,488 of discovery and all that stuff. 757 00:43:25,540 --> 00:43:27,740 We've got Bob reacting clean 758 00:43:27,742 --> 00:43:29,909 to this hugely important piece of evidence. 759 00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:36,248 Bob second interview. 760 00:43:36,368 --> 00:43:41,270 Sync, corrected by icephoenix www.addic7ed.com 761 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,870 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 56271

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