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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:24,391 --> 00:00:25,674 Katie Couric: She had everything to live for, 2 00:00:25,726 --> 00:00:27,309 and yet she just disappeared. 3 00:00:27,344 --> 00:00:29,311 Now new and alarming questions are being raised 4 00:00:29,346 --> 00:00:32,014 about what happened to a young wife and medical student 5 00:00:32,016 --> 00:00:34,566 here in New York some 20 years ago. 6 00:00:36,687 --> 00:00:39,187 Man: Two decades later, Kathie Durst is suddenly 7 00:00:39,239 --> 00:00:41,740 more than a memory, thanks to a tip 8 00:00:41,775 --> 00:00:44,276 from a defendant in an unrelated case. 9 00:00:45,579 --> 00:00:49,197 I had arrested an individual named Timothy Martin. 10 00:00:49,249 --> 00:00:51,033 And Timmy was arrested for 11 00:00:51,035 --> 00:00:52,451 several counts of public lewdness. 12 00:00:52,503 --> 00:00:56,004 He was basically exposing himself to women. 13 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,041 He was convicted, and shortly before sentencing, 14 00:00:59,093 --> 00:01:01,209 his attorney contacted me and stated that 15 00:01:01,211 --> 00:01:03,295 Timmy wanted to sit down with me and talk to me 16 00:01:03,347 --> 00:01:05,347 about some information he had on an old murder 17 00:01:05,382 --> 00:01:07,432 that occurred up here in Northern Westchester. 18 00:01:07,452 --> 00:01:10,540 _ 19 00:01:10,564 --> 00:01:12,971 What he stated was that he had heard that there was 20 00:01:13,023 --> 00:01:18,276 a young woman named Kathie Durst who was murdered by her husband 21 00:01:18,312 --> 00:01:20,529 at their cottage up in South Salem. 22 00:01:22,616 --> 00:01:24,232 I remember that day the little, red light 23 00:01:24,234 --> 00:01:26,151 was flashing on my answering machine, 24 00:01:26,203 --> 00:01:29,071 and I hit the button and it was Joe Becerra. 25 00:01:31,658 --> 00:01:34,659 And he said, "We're looking into the Kathie Durst case." 26 00:01:34,712 --> 00:01:36,461 My heart almost stopped. 27 00:01:36,497 --> 00:01:40,298 Explosion. This whole set of fireworks that went out 28 00:01:40,334 --> 00:01:43,969 that was like hope has been regenerated. 29 00:01:44,004 --> 00:01:45,504 We were, like, stunned. 30 00:01:45,556 --> 00:01:46,722 I mean, you know, it's, you know, it's, 31 00:01:46,757 --> 00:01:50,425 don't forget it's almost 20 years after the fact. 32 00:01:50,477 --> 00:01:53,428 And all of a sudden, Kathie's disappearance 33 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,432 may be close at hand in terms of a solution. 34 00:02:00,521 --> 00:02:02,237 Woman: These two guys pulled up in a car, 35 00:02:02,272 --> 00:02:05,607 and they came onto the property and said they were detectives 36 00:02:05,659 --> 00:02:08,910 and could they come in and look at something in the house 37 00:02:08,946 --> 00:02:10,612 and ask me a couple questions. 38 00:02:12,282 --> 00:02:15,867 They looked into a closet, and they took a shelf down 39 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:21,623 and they started pulling things out and dug back to an area that 40 00:02:21,675 --> 00:02:23,508 I didn't even know existed in my house. 41 00:02:25,179 --> 00:02:27,429 I guess they were looking for a weapon or, you know, 42 00:02:27,464 --> 00:02:28,797 bloodstains or something. 43 00:02:31,051 --> 00:02:32,684 Jeanine Pirro: No one had ever searched the house. 44 00:02:32,719 --> 00:02:34,352 No one had ever attempted to search the house, 45 00:02:34,388 --> 00:02:37,055 search the lake, search anywhere else. 46 00:02:37,107 --> 00:02:40,475 I mean, it was very telling that there was a whole area 47 00:02:40,477 --> 00:02:42,194 that needed to be investigated. 48 00:02:42,229 --> 00:02:44,479 That this case was not investigated 49 00:02:44,481 --> 00:02:45,864 the way it should have been. 50 00:02:45,899 --> 00:02:47,616 No one even looked at it. 51 00:02:47,651 --> 00:02:50,118 You know, starting at square one. 52 00:03:03,098 --> 00:03:08,019 Sundown on the sorry day 53 00:03:08,021 --> 00:03:12,740 By night lights, the children pray 54 00:03:12,774 --> 00:03:17,778 I know you're probably getting ready for bed 55 00:03:17,829 --> 00:03:22,700 Beautiful woman, get out of my head 56 00:03:22,751 --> 00:03:27,838 I'm so tired of the same old crud 57 00:03:27,873 --> 00:03:32,543 Sweet baby, I need fresh blood 58 00:03:32,545 --> 00:03:33,878 Whoo! 59 00:03:37,682 --> 00:03:39,717 Howl! 60 00:03:47,526 --> 00:03:49,777 Howl! 61 00:03:58,011 --> 00:04:02,926 Sync, corrected by icephoenix www.addic7ed.com 62 00:04:07,028 --> 00:04:09,990 _ 63 00:04:18,034 --> 00:04:20,817 _ 64 00:04:35,470 --> 00:04:39,240 _ 65 00:04:39,263 --> 00:04:41,229 Female reporter: Is Robert Durst a suspect? 66 00:04:41,265 --> 00:04:44,266 We're not ruling him in and we're not ruling him out. 67 00:04:44,268 --> 00:04:45,934 He certainly was a person who had 68 00:04:45,986 --> 00:04:48,737 the most information about Kathleen Durst. 69 00:04:48,758 --> 00:04:50,167 _ 70 00:04:50,190 --> 00:04:52,440 Jarecki: So, you hear about this investigation. 71 00:04:52,442 --> 00:04:53,942 You read the article. 72 00:04:53,944 --> 00:04:55,443 Durst: And it blew me away. 73 00:04:55,495 --> 00:04:59,497 Absolutely, totally blew me away. 74 00:04:59,533 --> 00:05:02,834 I'd never heard the name Jeanine Pirro before. 75 00:05:02,869 --> 00:05:06,371 And I was told about Jeanine Pirro. 76 00:05:06,423 --> 00:05:08,373 Has higher aspirations. 77 00:05:08,425 --> 00:05:12,177 Wants to run for something big statewide. 78 00:05:12,212 --> 00:05:16,298 I wasn't the least bit concerned about the details. 79 00:05:16,300 --> 00:05:21,303 The divers searched the lake until you're blue in the face. 80 00:05:21,355 --> 00:05:24,522 You took a wall out of the house. Ridiculous. 81 00:05:24,558 --> 00:05:26,274 Jarecki: What were the divers for? 82 00:05:26,310 --> 00:05:28,310 Obviously, they were looking for body parts, 83 00:05:28,362 --> 00:05:30,528 looking for something that can be used as evidence. 84 00:05:32,749 --> 00:05:35,584 But what they don't announce is what they found. 85 00:05:38,111 --> 00:05:39,720 _ 86 00:05:40,907 --> 00:05:43,959 Uh, nothing of evidentiary value. 87 00:05:45,579 --> 00:05:49,798 I remember being disappointed, uh, you know, 88 00:05:49,833 --> 00:05:53,001 that nothing came up in the search. 89 00:05:53,053 --> 00:05:55,503 But it also piqued my interest. 90 00:05:55,555 --> 00:05:57,839 Because I knew, based upon whether it was 91 00:05:57,891 --> 00:06:00,725 the inconsistent statements or, you know, 92 00:06:00,761 --> 00:06:02,761 the prosecutors, or the cops, 93 00:06:02,813 --> 00:06:04,312 that there was something more here. 94 00:06:06,516 --> 00:06:08,650 My name's Ed Murphy. I'm a senior investigator 95 00:06:08,685 --> 00:06:10,402 with the Westchester District Attorney's Office. 96 00:06:10,437 --> 00:06:12,771 I've been in law enforcement approximately 40 years. 97 00:06:14,408 --> 00:06:15,690 Now with the case being reopened, 98 00:06:15,742 --> 00:06:17,692 and it's being looked at again, 99 00:06:17,694 --> 00:06:19,160 certain things come to the surface. 100 00:06:19,196 --> 00:06:22,197 And the decision was made by my office 101 00:06:22,199 --> 00:06:24,666 to explore this and see what we can do. 102 00:06:27,037 --> 00:06:28,837 So, we went back and we reinterviewed 103 00:06:28,872 --> 00:06:31,673 everybody who was interviewed 20 years prior. 104 00:06:33,377 --> 00:06:35,377 Becerra: When I started speaking with Kathie's friends, 105 00:06:35,429 --> 00:06:40,932 they all said to me that I should speak to Susan Berman. 106 00:06:43,053 --> 00:06:44,519 That she was a very close friend of Bobby's. 107 00:06:44,554 --> 00:06:47,022 That they were close since college. 108 00:06:47,057 --> 00:06:48,723 That when Kathie went missing, 109 00:06:48,775 --> 00:06:52,143 she protected Bobby from the press. 110 00:06:52,195 --> 00:06:55,280 And they basically told me if anyone knows anything 111 00:06:55,315 --> 00:06:58,149 about Kathie's disappearance, it would be Susan Berman. 112 00:07:02,063 --> 00:07:06,178 _ 113 00:07:06,198 --> 00:07:09,345 _ 114 00:07:09,368 --> 00:07:12,151 _ 115 00:07:12,174 --> 00:07:14,499 Durst: Susan and I would spend a lot of time together, 116 00:07:14,551 --> 00:07:18,803 we could talk, we had the thing in common, 117 00:07:18,839 --> 00:07:22,424 both of her parents died when she was young, 118 00:07:22,426 --> 00:07:25,510 and I had one parent die when I was young. 119 00:07:25,562 --> 00:07:27,645 And her background? 120 00:07:27,681 --> 00:07:32,650 Rich, Las Vegas, mobster father. 121 00:07:34,451 --> 00:07:37,233 _ 122 00:07:38,275 --> 00:07:39,858 Jane Pauley: This happy, little girl was 5 years old 123 00:07:39,910 --> 00:07:41,409 when this snapshot was taken. 124 00:07:41,445 --> 00:07:42,944 Her mother had been a tap dancer, 125 00:07:42,996 --> 00:07:45,029 but gave it up when she married. 126 00:07:45,082 --> 00:07:48,850 Her father was rich and powerful and doted on his only child. 127 00:07:48,885 --> 00:07:50,385 That little girl today is Susan Berman. 128 00:07:50,420 --> 00:07:52,854 And she's the author of Easy Street. 129 00:07:52,889 --> 00:07:54,756 You grew up to age of 21 130 00:07:54,791 --> 00:07:57,292 not knowing that your dad was a gangster. 131 00:07:57,344 --> 00:07:58,960 How'd you finally find out? 132 00:07:59,012 --> 00:08:00,795 A friend at UCLA, Jane, asked me 133 00:08:00,797 --> 00:08:01,963 if I'd seen a certain crime book 134 00:08:02,015 --> 00:08:03,181 that just came out. 135 00:08:03,266 --> 00:08:04,299 And I said, "No." 136 00:08:04,351 --> 00:08:06,468 And I ran to the store in Los Angeles and looked, 137 00:08:06,470 --> 00:08:08,136 and there was my father, described as 138 00:08:08,188 --> 00:08:09,521 an ex-con from Sing Sing 139 00:08:09,556 --> 00:08:11,856 who'd kill a man with one hand behind his back. 140 00:08:14,561 --> 00:08:18,062 Man: He was tied in with the so-called 141 00:08:18,115 --> 00:08:20,031 "Murder Incorporated." 142 00:08:20,066 --> 00:08:21,816 After all, he was a bank robber 143 00:08:21,818 --> 00:08:23,535 at one time, you know. 144 00:08:23,570 --> 00:08:25,120 [Chuckles] So... 145 00:08:27,457 --> 00:08:30,258 Woman: She was quite proud of him. 146 00:08:30,293 --> 00:08:32,744 And he was bigger than life. 147 00:08:32,796 --> 00:08:36,831 So, yes, she does, yes, she deified him. 148 00:08:38,251 --> 00:08:41,836 She even had his mug shot framed in the living room. 149 00:08:45,058 --> 00:08:47,509 Something happened when she met Bobby Durst. 150 00:08:47,511 --> 00:08:52,013 It was like "Here's a man as powerful as my father. 151 00:08:52,065 --> 00:08:54,182 "He is connected. 152 00:08:54,234 --> 00:08:56,100 "He has money. 153 00:08:56,153 --> 00:08:59,154 "He can always get out of trouble. 154 00:08:59,189 --> 00:09:00,605 And he needs me." 155 00:09:00,657 --> 00:09:02,941 And she always used to say, "He needs me." 156 00:09:05,779 --> 00:09:07,362 "We have a special friendship." 157 00:09:17,757 --> 00:09:19,958 Male reporter: 19 years ago, Robert Durst told police 158 00:09:20,010 --> 00:09:21,960 he had driven his wife from their country house 159 00:09:22,012 --> 00:09:25,964 in South Salem, New York, to this nearby train station, 160 00:09:26,016 --> 00:09:28,299 where she boarded the city-bound train, 161 00:09:28,351 --> 00:09:30,268 headed for their Manhattan apartment 162 00:09:30,303 --> 00:09:32,220 and a busy week at medical school. 163 00:09:34,808 --> 00:09:37,725 But no one close to Kathie would see her again. 164 00:09:42,949 --> 00:09:44,616 [Reading] "The beautiful wife of a wealthy Manhattan 165 00:09:44,651 --> 00:09:46,985 real estate developer has disappeared." 166 00:09:46,992 --> 00:09:48,519 _ 167 00:09:48,538 --> 00:09:52,323 "There has been no trace of sandy-haired Kathleen Durst, 29, 168 00:09:52,375 --> 00:09:56,044 "since January 31, when she returned to her penthouse 169 00:09:56,079 --> 00:09:58,630 "after a weekend in the country. 170 00:09:58,665 --> 00:10:01,549 "The doorman at 37 Riverside Drive 171 00:10:01,585 --> 00:10:03,801 "saw her arrive home that Sunday evening 172 00:10:03,837 --> 00:10:05,220 and go to her apartment." 173 00:10:07,841 --> 00:10:10,358 This would not be information gleaned from the police. 174 00:10:10,393 --> 00:10:13,428 We wouldn't give that out. 175 00:10:13,430 --> 00:10:17,565 It's being fed to the newspaper at that time 176 00:10:17,601 --> 00:10:19,067 from the Durst side. 177 00:10:24,691 --> 00:10:28,826 Durst: When Kathie disappeared, I saw the media was calling. 178 00:10:28,862 --> 00:10:32,747 I told Susan, "I got a call from this reporter and this reporter. 179 00:10:32,782 --> 00:10:35,667 Could you call them back and you just handle it?" 180 00:10:35,702 --> 00:10:37,368 Since she was a writer, 181 00:10:37,420 --> 00:10:40,622 she was used to dealing with the press. 182 00:10:40,624 --> 00:10:44,175 Susan took it upon herself to become his spokesperson. 183 00:10:48,048 --> 00:10:51,766 Struk: She was facilitating a story that established the fact 184 00:10:51,801 --> 00:10:54,636 that Kathie arrived in Manhattan alive. 185 00:10:56,473 --> 00:11:00,892 Bob and Susan were in a concerted campaign 186 00:11:00,944 --> 00:11:03,478 to plant these ideas out there, 187 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,482 and already people are starting to pick up on them. 188 00:11:07,534 --> 00:11:09,817 So, it becomes that much more difficult 189 00:11:09,819 --> 00:11:11,819 to find out what really happened. 190 00:11:17,661 --> 00:11:20,044 If you reconstruct the case of Kathie, 191 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,666 there were several people who saw Kathie 192 00:11:24,718 --> 00:11:26,751 when we know she was dead. 193 00:11:26,803 --> 00:11:29,053 And she was heard from Monday morning. 194 00:11:29,139 --> 00:11:30,672 Mrs. Durst was a fourth year medical student 195 00:11:30,724 --> 00:11:33,007 here at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, 196 00:11:33,059 --> 00:11:35,593 and she was to have a clinic class that morning, 197 00:11:35,645 --> 00:11:38,062 but she called up saying she wasn't feeling well 198 00:11:38,098 --> 00:11:39,681 and she wouldn't be in that day. 199 00:11:39,683 --> 00:11:42,016 And as far as police know, that's the last time 200 00:11:42,018 --> 00:11:44,435 that anyone had contact with her. 201 00:11:44,487 --> 00:11:46,604 Struk: The dean at the medical school, 202 00:11:46,656 --> 00:11:50,191 obviously somebody was, um, 203 00:11:50,243 --> 00:11:52,193 assisted Mr. Durst in calling him. 204 00:11:54,423 --> 00:11:55,680 _ 205 00:11:55,699 --> 00:11:58,116 Well, sitting here today, it's, it, 206 00:11:58,168 --> 00:12:01,119 my, my money would be that it was Susan Berman. 207 00:12:10,513 --> 00:12:13,464 In our minds, Kathie made it to Manhattan. 208 00:12:13,516 --> 00:12:20,138 So, with luck and a little bit of... cunning, 209 00:12:20,190 --> 00:12:21,222 it slipped through. 210 00:12:21,224 --> 00:12:25,193 He got that one past us, I guess. 211 00:12:25,228 --> 00:12:27,528 I think we all know now, 30 years later, 212 00:12:27,564 --> 00:12:30,898 that anything Bob says you have to question, you know. 213 00:12:30,950 --> 00:12:32,533 I don't think they thought that way then. 214 00:12:36,956 --> 00:12:38,990 Man: You want to talk about the guts of our case? 215 00:12:39,042 --> 00:12:40,241 The guts of our case is that 216 00:12:40,293 --> 00:12:43,511 Kathie Durst and Bob Durst were married. 217 00:12:43,546 --> 00:12:45,380 The marriage spun out of control. 218 00:12:45,415 --> 00:12:48,416 Became increasingly volatile. 219 00:12:48,418 --> 00:12:50,918 We found out she asked him for a divorce. 220 00:12:50,970 --> 00:12:52,086 Got a divorce attorney. 221 00:12:54,140 --> 00:12:56,758 Murphy: That prior Thursday before she went missing, 222 00:12:56,810 --> 00:12:58,843 Kathie's attorney told her that Bob Durst 223 00:12:58,895 --> 00:13:02,680 had turned down their request for an agreement on a divorce. 224 00:13:02,732 --> 00:13:05,650 So, 3 days prior to this, you know, 225 00:13:05,685 --> 00:13:07,318 Bob's turning down this settlement 226 00:13:07,353 --> 00:13:09,437 that she wants in this divorce, 227 00:13:09,489 --> 00:13:11,439 and they're going up there together. 228 00:13:17,497 --> 00:13:20,615 Hynes: At the time of her disappearance, 229 00:13:20,667 --> 00:13:24,786 they were together in the upstate house in South Salem. 230 00:13:24,788 --> 00:13:28,339 And there is no evidence, credible evidence, 231 00:13:28,374 --> 00:13:29,924 that she ever left South Salem. 232 00:13:37,967 --> 00:13:39,967 Murphy: I don't know how he killed her, but 233 00:13:40,019 --> 00:13:41,969 I don't think she ever got on a train, that's for sure. 234 00:14:01,825 --> 00:14:03,124 Jarecki: Did you have anything to do 235 00:14:03,159 --> 00:14:04,709 with the death of your wife? 236 00:14:04,744 --> 00:14:06,410 I don't know that she's dead. 237 00:14:07,831 --> 00:14:09,997 Do you think that it's possible that she's alive now? 238 00:14:10,049 --> 00:14:14,469 It's possible. Not likely. 239 00:14:14,504 --> 00:14:15,503 It's not what I think. 240 00:14:15,555 --> 00:14:17,505 I think she's almost definitely dead. 241 00:14:17,557 --> 00:14:21,008 But I don't know that she's dead. 242 00:14:21,060 --> 00:14:23,344 So, to put a finer point on it, 243 00:14:23,396 --> 00:14:24,479 did you have anything to do 244 00:14:24,514 --> 00:14:26,764 with the disappearance of your wife? 245 00:14:26,816 --> 00:14:29,267 No. I don't know where she is. 246 00:14:29,319 --> 00:14:30,685 I don't know what happened to her. 247 00:14:30,737 --> 00:14:33,938 I don't know how it happened to her. 248 00:14:33,990 --> 00:14:37,692 I had nothing to do with what happened to her, 249 00:14:37,744 --> 00:14:42,947 except very, um, obliquely or whatever you would... 250 00:14:42,999 --> 00:14:45,416 It was a bad marriage and that was at least half, 251 00:14:45,451 --> 00:14:47,752 probably a lot more, my fault. 252 00:14:47,787 --> 00:14:49,837 But other than that, I had nothing to do with 253 00:14:49,873 --> 00:14:51,672 what caused her or what happened 254 00:14:51,708 --> 00:14:55,793 to her disappearance, in her disappearance. 255 00:15:03,219 --> 00:15:05,553 Murphy: When he gives his original statement to the police, 256 00:15:05,555 --> 00:15:07,355 he leaves the car at home. 257 00:15:07,390 --> 00:15:09,557 Doesn't bring it into the city. 258 00:15:09,559 --> 00:15:10,858 Doesn't have the car the day 259 00:15:10,894 --> 00:15:12,860 he reports her missing, you know? 260 00:15:12,896 --> 00:15:15,279 Maybe he was afraid to have the car there, 261 00:15:15,315 --> 00:15:17,398 because they might want to search it or look at it. 262 00:15:20,203 --> 00:15:22,820 He probably took Kathie, put her in the trunk of the car, 263 00:15:22,872 --> 00:15:25,072 and got rid of her somewhere. 264 00:15:27,994 --> 00:15:31,329 Hynes: We did some phone record sweeping, and we found that 265 00:15:31,381 --> 00:15:33,748 some of the phone records show that the Durst Organization 266 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,667 got collect phone calls from Ship Bottom, New Jersey, 267 00:15:36,719 --> 00:15:38,920 on Tuesday, after Kathie's disappearance. 268 00:15:41,057 --> 00:15:43,391 We were able to track down where those calls came from. 269 00:15:43,426 --> 00:15:47,261 And there was a coin-operated phone in the laundromat. 270 00:15:48,731 --> 00:15:50,982 Now, how do we know that Bob Durst made those calls? 271 00:15:51,017 --> 00:15:53,267 Well, one of the things we know is that there are only 272 00:15:53,319 --> 00:15:56,437 two people who made collect calls to the Durst Organization. 273 00:15:56,489 --> 00:15:58,105 We know that from the people who worked there. 274 00:15:58,157 --> 00:16:00,241 And one of those people was Bob Durst. 275 00:16:00,276 --> 00:16:02,526 The other person was Seymour. 276 00:16:02,579 --> 00:16:05,613 So, Seymour undoubtedly wasn't in Ship Bottom that day. 277 00:16:12,205 --> 00:16:14,088 Jarecki: You used to call the office collect. 278 00:16:14,123 --> 00:16:15,289 Oh, all the time. 279 00:16:15,291 --> 00:16:17,875 - Jarecki: Tell me about that. - I would call the office collect. 280 00:16:19,963 --> 00:16:22,213 Jarecki: Why did you do that? 281 00:16:22,265 --> 00:16:26,183 I didn't want to pay for it. Let Seymour pay for it. 282 00:16:26,219 --> 00:16:28,970 The only reason I'm calling is because he wants me to call. 283 00:16:30,473 --> 00:16:33,975 There were a series of collect calls 284 00:16:33,977 --> 00:16:36,527 made from Ship Bottom, New Jersey. 285 00:16:38,648 --> 00:16:40,615 That's on the coast somewhere. 286 00:16:40,650 --> 00:16:43,651 Jarecki: Yeah. So, there are 3 calls made 287 00:16:43,703 --> 00:16:45,987 to the Durst Organization from Ship Bottom. 288 00:16:45,989 --> 00:16:47,788 Now, you were the collect call guy, 289 00:16:47,824 --> 00:16:49,323 so, I think the speculation is 290 00:16:49,375 --> 00:16:51,375 "Well, Bob must have made those phone calls." 291 00:16:51,411 --> 00:16:52,994 Except Bob didn't make those calls. 292 00:16:53,046 --> 00:16:55,046 Bob was not in Ship Bottom. 293 00:16:56,833 --> 00:16:58,833 Can you think of any reason why 294 00:16:58,885 --> 00:17:00,668 these phone calls, these collect calls, 295 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,336 would be made to the Durst Organization 296 00:17:02,388 --> 00:17:03,471 during the day? 297 00:17:03,506 --> 00:17:06,557 I have no idea who made the calls. 298 00:17:06,592 --> 00:17:08,175 Were there other people that you knew of 299 00:17:08,177 --> 00:17:11,012 that would make collect calls to the company? 300 00:17:11,064 --> 00:17:12,513 Several. Yes. 301 00:17:15,151 --> 00:17:16,934 Yes. 302 00:17:16,986 --> 00:17:19,186 Executives? Or family members? 303 00:17:21,107 --> 00:17:23,357 Somebody had a, had a beach house 304 00:17:23,409 --> 00:17:25,609 and was calling and, and getting 305 00:17:25,662 --> 00:17:28,579 one of the receptionists... Not the usual receptionist... 306 00:17:28,614 --> 00:17:30,164 To accept the calls. 307 00:17:33,002 --> 00:17:34,618 That had happened periodically 308 00:17:34,671 --> 00:17:37,788 that spring and summer and fall. 309 00:17:41,210 --> 00:17:44,295 Make no mistake, we went digging looking for a body. 310 00:17:44,347 --> 00:17:47,548 I mean, you know, we know that he was in New Jersey 311 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,467 within a couple of days of her disappearance. 312 00:17:50,283 --> 00:17:52,737 _ 313 00:17:59,112 --> 00:18:00,778 Jarecki: Do you have any thought about where she is? 314 00:18:00,813 --> 00:18:02,730 About where her body might be? 315 00:18:02,782 --> 00:18:05,232 I have no idea. 316 00:18:05,234 --> 00:18:07,868 Wouldn't know how to begin. 317 00:18:07,904 --> 00:18:11,155 Wouldn't know if her body... If she was dead... I would not know 318 00:18:11,207 --> 00:18:14,909 if her body would be in the State of New York, 319 00:18:14,961 --> 00:18:16,243 or in the State of New Jersey 320 00:18:16,295 --> 00:18:20,548 or in the Northern Hemisphere, or anything like that. 321 00:18:25,254 --> 00:18:26,253 Hynes: If you go to Ship Bottom 322 00:18:26,305 --> 00:18:28,422 and the area surrounding the Pine Barrens, 323 00:18:28,474 --> 00:18:31,092 you see ample, ample real estate 324 00:18:31,094 --> 00:18:32,426 where he could have dumped the body. 325 00:18:36,015 --> 00:18:38,899 It's actually a place where mob bosses 326 00:18:38,935 --> 00:18:40,651 used to order that bodies be dumped. 327 00:18:43,439 --> 00:18:45,489 And what connection is that? Well, Susan Berman, 328 00:18:45,525 --> 00:18:48,409 who was very friendly with Bob at the time, 329 00:18:48,444 --> 00:18:49,410 had a lot of connections 330 00:18:49,445 --> 00:18:50,828 and a lot of friends in organized crime. 331 00:18:55,535 --> 00:18:57,501 Lankford: I would say that Susan would do anything 332 00:18:57,537 --> 00:18:59,537 to help her close friends. 333 00:19:00,923 --> 00:19:03,040 No matter the situation. Mm-hmm. 334 00:19:04,043 --> 00:19:05,960 She was... She was loyal. 335 00:19:06,012 --> 00:19:09,463 I think she was a loyal soul to the end. 336 00:19:16,139 --> 00:19:18,022 Jarecki: What was your relationship with Susan Berman 337 00:19:18,057 --> 00:19:20,057 over all those years? 338 00:19:20,109 --> 00:19:22,143 When Kathie disappeared, 339 00:19:22,145 --> 00:19:23,978 initially the first several years, 340 00:19:24,030 --> 00:19:26,730 Susan was living, still living in New York. 341 00:19:26,783 --> 00:19:29,984 And I saw her frequently in New York. 342 00:19:29,986 --> 00:19:32,903 Then she moved to Los Angeles. 343 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,541 Strauss: I went online and I traced Susan Berman 344 00:19:37,577 --> 00:19:40,327 from Beekman Place all the way out 345 00:19:40,329 --> 00:19:43,247 to Benedict Canyon in California. 346 00:19:43,299 --> 00:19:47,334 I gave the police a map to her door. 347 00:19:47,386 --> 00:19:51,088 And I said, "Whatever you do, interview this woman. 348 00:19:51,140 --> 00:19:53,340 "She knows more than she's saying. 349 00:19:53,426 --> 00:19:54,675 "She's a good friend of Bob's. 350 00:19:54,677 --> 00:19:57,344 Maybe she won't tell you anything, but maybe she will." 351 00:19:58,681 --> 00:20:01,148 Smith: We had a conversation in which I said, "Susan, 352 00:20:01,184 --> 00:20:04,068 "did you see the piece in the New York Times 353 00:20:04,103 --> 00:20:07,521 about Kathie Durst's case being reopened?" 354 00:20:07,523 --> 00:20:09,356 And she said, "Julie, don't talk to me about that. 355 00:20:09,408 --> 00:20:11,575 "I don't want to talk about that. 356 00:20:11,611 --> 00:20:13,444 They're out to get Bobby." 357 00:20:13,496 --> 00:20:14,578 That's what she said. 358 00:20:24,707 --> 00:20:27,258 Jarecki: Did you have contact with Susan around that same time? 359 00:20:27,293 --> 00:20:28,425 Durst: Yes. 360 00:20:28,461 --> 00:20:30,794 Jarecki: What did she say, if you remember? 361 00:20:30,847 --> 00:20:33,714 Durst: She wrote, "Oh, Bobby. This is terrible for you. 362 00:20:33,716 --> 00:20:37,301 I hate that you have to go through this." 363 00:20:37,353 --> 00:20:38,719 Jarecki: But you heard from her that she had been 364 00:20:38,771 --> 00:20:39,720 contacted by the police? 365 00:20:39,772 --> 00:20:41,856 - Durst: Yes. - Jarecki: What did she say? 366 00:20:41,891 --> 00:20:44,108 Durst: "The Los Angeles Police contacted me. 367 00:20:44,143 --> 00:20:47,528 They want to talk to me about Kathie Durst's disappearance." 368 00:20:50,399 --> 00:20:52,900 Something happens to Susan then. 369 00:20:52,952 --> 00:20:57,071 Oh, not long after that, Susan Berman was murdered. 370 00:20:57,073 --> 00:21:00,074 Around Christmas of 2000. 371 00:21:31,074 --> 00:21:33,531 _ 372 00:21:40,207 --> 00:21:42,244 _ 373 00:21:42,262 --> 00:21:44,739 _ 374 00:21:44,754 --> 00:21:46,203 Yeah, I was going to Europe for, 375 00:21:46,255 --> 00:21:49,039 like, 3-ish weeks for the holiday. 376 00:21:49,091 --> 00:21:50,791 And my, I had no parking in my neighborhood, 377 00:21:50,843 --> 00:21:52,376 so, I parked my car in the garage, 378 00:21:52,428 --> 00:21:54,545 and Susan kept her car here. 379 00:21:54,597 --> 00:21:57,348 And we hung out and sort of exchanged 380 00:21:57,383 --> 00:22:00,467 gifts and cards and well wishes, 381 00:22:00,469 --> 00:22:03,137 and then the taxi came and, you know, we said, "I love you," 382 00:22:03,139 --> 00:22:04,638 and I got in the taxi and left. 383 00:22:13,504 --> 00:22:16,223 _ 384 00:22:16,246 --> 00:22:17,901 I met her at 13. 385 00:22:17,954 --> 00:22:20,321 She, uh, had started dating my father. 386 00:22:22,158 --> 00:22:24,708 We moved in with her, uh, 387 00:22:24,744 --> 00:22:27,628 I want to say, like, a year into their dating. 388 00:22:30,499 --> 00:22:35,419 Because of how light, happy, joyous, quick, 389 00:22:35,471 --> 00:22:38,505 brilliant, aware she was, 390 00:22:38,507 --> 00:22:42,810 daily life was fascinating and fun. 391 00:22:42,845 --> 00:22:45,262 She laughs a lot. She laughed a lot. 392 00:22:45,314 --> 00:22:49,933 And, um, you know, frivolously spent a lot. 393 00:22:49,986 --> 00:22:53,103 And everything could be turned into a story. 394 00:22:55,274 --> 00:22:57,524 Woman: She came alive for those few years 395 00:22:57,576 --> 00:22:59,360 that she became their mother. 396 00:22:59,362 --> 00:23:03,447 It was, it was just, it was wonderful to see. 397 00:23:03,499 --> 00:23:06,617 When the relationship of their father's was breaking up, 398 00:23:06,669 --> 00:23:10,537 both of these kids, willingly and together, 399 00:23:10,539 --> 00:23:13,590 made the declaration that they are choosing 400 00:23:13,626 --> 00:23:15,542 to live with their mother Susan. 401 00:23:17,813 --> 00:23:22,299 When I called and she didn't pick up Christmas Eve, 402 00:23:22,351 --> 00:23:24,685 obviously I didn't know what, but something was wrong. 403 00:23:26,689 --> 00:23:27,938 Marcus: Well, I called because 404 00:23:27,973 --> 00:23:30,224 she was late for dinner by a half-hour, 405 00:23:30,226 --> 00:23:32,643 and she was always very, very punctual 406 00:23:32,695 --> 00:23:34,695 when it came to little family dos. 407 00:23:38,951 --> 00:23:40,951 I said, "Susie. It's Deni. 408 00:23:40,986 --> 00:23:43,904 "Um, I hope you didn't confuse tonight with tomorrow night. 409 00:23:43,956 --> 00:23:45,823 "I've got Koo Koo Roo. We're waiting for you. 410 00:23:45,875 --> 00:23:47,708 "Tommy's hungry. Mom's hungry. 411 00:23:47,743 --> 00:23:49,410 Where are you?" 412 00:23:49,462 --> 00:23:53,330 So, then the phone did pick up. It was a man's voice. 413 00:23:53,382 --> 00:23:54,665 I said, "Who's this?" 414 00:23:54,717 --> 00:23:56,166 He said, "Detective..." 415 00:23:56,218 --> 00:23:59,753 I didn't even hear his name. I heard the word "detective" 416 00:23:59,755 --> 00:24:01,588 from the L.A. Police Department. 417 00:24:05,895 --> 00:24:08,011 Man, reading: "On December 24, 2000, 418 00:24:08,064 --> 00:24:11,465 "West Los Angeles patrol officers responded to a radio call... 419 00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:15,502 Open door at 1527 Benedict Canyon Drive." 420 00:24:17,073 --> 00:24:19,239 "The officers, upon arriving at the scene, 421 00:24:19,275 --> 00:24:21,008 "observed the rear door standing open, 422 00:24:21,043 --> 00:24:22,443 and entered the residence." 423 00:24:24,613 --> 00:24:26,613 "The officers discovered the victim's body 424 00:24:26,665 --> 00:24:28,949 "supine on the floor of a bedroom 425 00:24:29,001 --> 00:24:31,952 located in the southwest portion of the residence." 426 00:24:33,956 --> 00:24:37,791 "The victim had sustained a gunshot wound to the head. 427 00:24:37,793 --> 00:24:41,128 Paramedic pronounced death at 13:48 hours." 428 00:24:45,384 --> 00:24:48,352 The first thing I remember was the condition of the house. 429 00:24:48,387 --> 00:24:51,188 Uh, it was, uh, pretty barren. 430 00:24:51,223 --> 00:24:53,307 I think all the furniture that was in there 431 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,776 was things that people had loaned her. 432 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,415 There was no carpeting on the concrete floors. 433 00:25:01,450 --> 00:25:03,717 There was no heat in the residence. 434 00:25:06,188 --> 00:25:07,554 And there's no drawers overturned. 435 00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:09,022 Nothing had spilled out. 436 00:25:09,058 --> 00:25:11,725 Everything is intact. The computer is there. 437 00:25:13,662 --> 00:25:16,563 The front door was secured with deadbolt locks. 438 00:25:16,599 --> 00:25:19,166 There was no evidence of any kind of forced entry. 439 00:25:20,269 --> 00:25:22,836 Which meant to me, or indicated to me, 440 00:25:22,888 --> 00:25:26,006 that whoever killed her had probably 441 00:25:26,058 --> 00:25:29,476 been let in by Susan Berman. 442 00:25:38,244 --> 00:25:41,681 _ 443 00:25:45,361 --> 00:25:48,862 Bagli: I'm in an office waiting to interview someone. 444 00:25:48,914 --> 00:25:50,247 And I look at The Daily News, 445 00:25:50,282 --> 00:25:53,033 and there's this tiny, little story out of L.A. 446 00:25:53,085 --> 00:25:57,871 that Susan Berman was found shot dead in L.A. 447 00:25:57,873 --> 00:25:59,289 And I almost fell out of my chair. 448 00:25:59,341 --> 00:26:02,042 I just sat straight up and I wanted to leave. 449 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,740 _ 450 00:26:05,764 --> 00:26:09,883 Strauss: That was probably the only time in this case 451 00:26:09,935 --> 00:26:12,853 that really, really took my breath away. 452 00:26:12,888 --> 00:26:15,105 I was standing up when I answered the phone. 453 00:26:15,140 --> 00:26:17,224 I felt my knees get weak. 454 00:26:17,276 --> 00:26:20,477 Because I, it was like, I told them, "Go out there." 455 00:26:21,209 --> 00:26:24,934 _ 456 00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:28,202 Pirro: When I heard that Susan had been murdered, 457 00:26:28,237 --> 00:26:30,954 the first person I thought of was Robert Durst. 458 00:26:30,990 --> 00:26:32,739 Because we were about to speak with her. 459 00:26:32,859 --> 00:26:34,905 _ 460 00:26:34,929 --> 00:26:37,077 Woman: Susan Berman wasn't just killed. 461 00:26:37,129 --> 00:26:39,580 I mean, it was execution. 462 00:26:39,582 --> 00:26:42,416 Her death is a very questionable death, 463 00:26:42,418 --> 00:26:44,384 not just in terms of the fact that it was a homicide, 464 00:26:44,420 --> 00:26:47,638 but the timing is extremely curious. 465 00:26:48,112 --> 00:26:51,824 _ 466 00:26:53,762 --> 00:26:56,730 Jarecki: How did you react when you heard about Susan's murder? 467 00:26:56,765 --> 00:26:59,900 I felt terrible for Susan. 468 00:26:59,935 --> 00:27:01,852 I was astonished that they were 469 00:27:01,904 --> 00:27:04,021 putting all this together that I did it 470 00:27:04,073 --> 00:27:06,773 or I caused it to be done. 471 00:27:06,825 --> 00:27:10,110 Did you have anything to do with Susan Berman's death? 472 00:27:10,112 --> 00:27:13,614 I had nothing to do with Susan Berman's death. 473 00:27:15,417 --> 00:27:17,117 Did you have any theory yourself 474 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,002 of what might have happened to Susan? 475 00:27:19,038 --> 00:27:20,203 No. 476 00:27:25,844 --> 00:27:27,628 Jarecki: Does it make sense to you that there were 477 00:27:27,630 --> 00:27:29,429 people that suspected you of having...? 478 00:27:29,465 --> 00:27:32,099 Oh, sure. I mean, because 479 00:27:32,134 --> 00:27:33,800 she was my spokesman. 480 00:27:33,802 --> 00:27:34,968 All of a sudden, she's dead 481 00:27:35,020 --> 00:27:39,523 right after Jeanine Pirro's doing the investigation of me. 482 00:27:39,558 --> 00:27:41,558 Mm-hmm. 483 00:27:41,610 --> 00:27:42,693 That I shut her up. 484 00:27:46,482 --> 00:27:47,698 Female reporter: She wrote about mobsters, 485 00:27:47,733 --> 00:27:50,083 and she was the daughter of one. 486 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,568 So, when author Susan Berman 487 00:27:51,620 --> 00:27:54,321 was found dead of a single gunshot wound to the head 488 00:27:54,373 --> 00:27:56,957 at her Benedict Canyon home on Christmas Eve, 489 00:27:56,992 --> 00:27:59,576 all of the obvious questions came up. 490 00:27:59,628 --> 00:28:01,828 Mostly "Was it a mob-style hit?" 491 00:28:03,253 --> 00:28:06,317 _ 492 00:28:06,335 --> 00:28:08,251 We were surprised to learn that Robert Durst 493 00:28:08,304 --> 00:28:11,555 was not a suspect in Susan Berman's murder. 494 00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:16,677 The LAPD was looking at mob connections of that murder. 495 00:28:16,729 --> 00:28:19,262 Male reporter: Susan Berman's business manager said that 496 00:28:19,315 --> 00:28:21,431 she had been working on television projects 497 00:28:21,483 --> 00:28:25,402 about the mob's days in Las Vegas when she was killed. 498 00:28:25,437 --> 00:28:28,071 She did talk to me about something she was working on 499 00:28:28,107 --> 00:28:29,439 that I think was not a screenplay. 500 00:28:29,491 --> 00:28:31,274 I think it was a journalism story. 501 00:28:31,327 --> 00:28:34,361 And I think that it involved the mob. 502 00:28:34,363 --> 00:28:35,612 "Something big." 503 00:28:35,664 --> 00:28:39,916 She was going to blow the socks off of something. 504 00:28:39,952 --> 00:28:42,536 "Something big was going to happen." 505 00:28:42,538 --> 00:28:45,172 And I said, "Well, what?" 506 00:28:45,207 --> 00:28:46,373 "Well, I can't talk about it now, 507 00:28:46,425 --> 00:28:48,425 but something big is going to happen." 508 00:28:58,887 --> 00:29:00,520 Padden, Sr.: I was suspicious right away. 509 00:29:02,391 --> 00:29:04,141 Back of the head. 510 00:29:04,193 --> 00:29:07,694 That's traditional in mob killings. 511 00:29:45,267 --> 00:29:46,983 Coulter: The Beverly Hills Police Department received 512 00:29:47,019 --> 00:29:49,152 a letter in the mail. 513 00:29:49,188 --> 00:29:52,105 The envelope was addressed "Beverly Hills Police." 514 00:29:52,157 --> 00:29:53,657 Beverly is spelled wrong, 515 00:29:53,692 --> 00:29:57,444 spelled with LEY instead of just LY. 516 00:29:57,496 --> 00:30:02,282 And the note read, "1527 Benedict Canyon," 517 00:30:02,334 --> 00:30:03,950 and the word "Cadaver." 518 00:30:06,038 --> 00:30:07,838 The letter was postmarked the day before 519 00:30:07,873 --> 00:30:11,258 the discovery of the victim's body. 520 00:30:11,293 --> 00:30:12,959 That letter says a lot. 521 00:30:13,011 --> 00:30:16,379 It gets mailed to a police department, 522 00:30:16,432 --> 00:30:20,634 so that somebody would come and find her body 523 00:30:20,686 --> 00:30:27,274 so it's not sitting there, decomposing, rotting away. 524 00:30:27,309 --> 00:30:30,143 I mean, it's somebody that obviously cares about her. 525 00:30:34,366 --> 00:30:38,452 So, we eliminated the mafia being a possible suspect. 526 00:30:44,576 --> 00:30:45,876 So, what do you think about this? 527 00:30:45,911 --> 00:30:46,960 About this note? 528 00:30:46,995 --> 00:30:49,162 I mean, does this note mean anything to you? 529 00:30:49,164 --> 00:30:51,548 Durst: Yeah, I mean, that's her address. 530 00:30:51,583 --> 00:30:55,218 Block letters so somebody was hiding their signature. 531 00:30:55,254 --> 00:30:57,838 And they spelled "Beverly" wrong. 532 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,339 Jarecki: Can you think of a reason 533 00:30:59,391 --> 00:31:02,676 why somebody might write a note like that? 534 00:31:02,728 --> 00:31:05,228 I can't imagine. 535 00:31:05,264 --> 00:31:07,013 Can't imagine. 536 00:31:07,015 --> 00:31:08,982 One of the speculations is that 537 00:31:09,017 --> 00:31:10,567 if it was somebody that liked her, 538 00:31:10,602 --> 00:31:13,436 they wouldn't want her lying around in her house. 539 00:31:13,489 --> 00:31:14,688 You know, if she had to die, she shouldn't die... 540 00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:17,190 Durst: If somebody liked her, why kill her? 541 00:31:17,242 --> 00:31:21,194 And now you're taking this big risk. 542 00:31:23,165 --> 00:31:24,748 Which big risk? 543 00:31:24,783 --> 00:31:27,367 You're writing a note to the police 544 00:31:27,369 --> 00:31:30,253 that only the killer could have written. 545 00:31:35,878 --> 00:31:37,294 Coulter: One of the things that we confiscated 546 00:31:37,346 --> 00:31:40,463 was Susan's computer hard drive. 547 00:31:40,516 --> 00:31:42,766 And we found a ledger, 548 00:31:42,801 --> 00:31:47,137 of names of people that had sent her money. 549 00:31:47,189 --> 00:31:49,639 She was reaching out to past 550 00:31:49,691 --> 00:31:54,027 business associates or friends for money. 551 00:31:58,450 --> 00:32:00,617 Padden, Jr.: She started having money problems. 552 00:32:02,704 --> 00:32:05,155 She was months behind in rent. 553 00:32:06,371 --> 00:32:09,224 _ 554 00:32:09,244 --> 00:32:11,044 You know, she's going to get through this. 555 00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:15,999 She has deals that, uh, were looking good with, you know, 556 00:32:16,051 --> 00:32:17,968 different projects there in Hollywood. 557 00:32:20,255 --> 00:32:22,806 Smith: Susan wrote a lot of screenplays. 558 00:32:22,841 --> 00:32:25,425 She had a lot of meetings. 559 00:32:25,477 --> 00:32:28,345 And she had so much faith in herself. 560 00:32:28,397 --> 00:32:29,596 She really did. 561 00:32:29,598 --> 00:32:33,600 Um, but none of the screenplays ever got bought. 562 00:32:36,071 --> 00:32:37,270 Kaufman: Being a woman, 563 00:32:37,272 --> 00:32:40,407 being an older woman in this young industry 564 00:32:40,442 --> 00:32:44,194 just was hard and getting harder. 565 00:32:47,616 --> 00:32:49,950 Obst: She was in desperate straits. 566 00:32:49,952 --> 00:32:51,518 So, Susan in desperate straits 567 00:32:51,553 --> 00:32:53,954 was very different than the Susan that I knew. 568 00:32:54,006 --> 00:32:58,291 People do things that... Their relationships change. 569 00:32:58,293 --> 00:33:01,177 Susan could manipulate, for sure. 570 00:33:03,682 --> 00:33:05,131 She was a good manipulator 571 00:33:05,133 --> 00:33:07,300 and could manipulate for things that she wanted. 572 00:33:07,865 --> 00:33:15,997 _ 573 00:33:19,197 --> 00:33:20,981 There was indications that she had received 574 00:33:20,983 --> 00:33:22,649 a couple checks from Bobby Durst. 575 00:33:32,327 --> 00:33:34,210 Susan was tough. 576 00:33:34,246 --> 00:33:37,664 And it, you know, it probably would not have scared her to... 577 00:33:37,716 --> 00:33:39,749 I'm not saying "threaten blackmail," 578 00:33:39,801 --> 00:33:43,303 but to suggest, "I can really use..." 579 00:33:43,338 --> 00:33:46,389 You know? "And wouldn't it do us both some..." 580 00:33:46,425 --> 00:33:47,424 I could see it. 581 00:33:56,518 --> 00:33:59,736 Jarecki: Was there anything that Susan knew as your confidante 582 00:33:59,821 --> 00:34:02,072 that you would have been uncomfortable with her telling the police? 583 00:34:02,107 --> 00:34:03,773 Well, we had lots of private things, 584 00:34:03,825 --> 00:34:05,358 but none of it had anything to do with Kathie. 585 00:34:05,410 --> 00:34:08,244 I mean, when Kathie was, you know, going bananas, 586 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,114 we would talk about Kathie all the time. 587 00:34:11,166 --> 00:34:16,369 I couldn't imagine her talking to the police about that, 588 00:34:16,421 --> 00:34:18,455 just sitting here right now. 589 00:34:18,507 --> 00:34:19,789 But "If the police want to talk to me, 590 00:34:19,841 --> 00:34:21,124 "I'm just going to talk to them. 591 00:34:21,176 --> 00:34:23,710 Is that all right?" And, like, that was the conversation. 592 00:34:23,712 --> 00:34:24,794 "Do whatever you want." 593 00:34:32,604 --> 00:34:33,803 Kaufman on recording: My name is Sareb Kaufman. 594 00:34:33,855 --> 00:34:36,523 Um, Susan Berman was my mother. 595 00:34:38,226 --> 00:34:40,310 There's just one request that I would like to make, 596 00:34:40,362 --> 00:34:43,279 which is that we keep the best in mind, 597 00:34:43,315 --> 00:34:47,400 and try not to dwell too much on the sadness of these events. 598 00:34:48,987 --> 00:34:52,622 Coulter: People were flying in for the memorial, 599 00:34:52,657 --> 00:34:56,076 and it was expected Bobby was going to be there. 600 00:34:57,329 --> 00:35:00,130 Smith: I believe he was in L.A. at the time, 601 00:35:00,165 --> 00:35:01,664 but he didn't come to the funeral... 602 00:35:01,717 --> 00:35:03,133 To the memorial service. 603 00:35:06,209 --> 00:35:08,236 _ 604 00:35:08,256 --> 00:35:09,672 Smith: Yes. He called me. 605 00:35:11,259 --> 00:35:13,059 I found the call a little bit threatening, 606 00:35:13,095 --> 00:35:14,227 to tell you the truth. 607 00:35:14,262 --> 00:35:17,514 Um, he said... 608 00:35:17,566 --> 00:35:19,766 I, I don't recall what he really said. 609 00:35:19,818 --> 00:35:22,152 You know, I don't recall what he gave as the reason for the call. 610 00:35:22,187 --> 00:35:23,269 It could have been something like 611 00:35:23,271 --> 00:35:24,821 "Just checking in with you." 612 00:35:24,856 --> 00:35:27,857 Never interested in me for one second. 613 00:35:27,909 --> 00:35:30,443 Bobby called. And why wouldn't he call? 614 00:35:30,445 --> 00:35:33,580 He was her best friend... Or one of her best friends. 615 00:35:33,615 --> 00:35:35,915 And we commiserated with that. 616 00:35:37,489 --> 00:35:38,945 _ 617 00:35:38,969 --> 00:35:40,670 "My God, isn't this awful?" 618 00:35:41,869 --> 00:35:45,027 _ 619 00:35:45,043 --> 00:35:49,379 Maybe he did, now that you're saying that. 620 00:35:49,431 --> 00:35:54,134 He was trying to, to make allies in Susan's camp. 621 00:35:54,186 --> 00:35:55,802 For what reason, I'm not sure. 622 00:35:55,854 --> 00:35:57,637 Maybe, you know, to keep us from 623 00:35:57,639 --> 00:35:59,389 talking to the cops, which we already had. 624 00:35:59,441 --> 00:36:00,774 I, I have no idea. 625 00:36:00,809 --> 00:36:03,610 But he definitely was trying to, to, um, 626 00:36:03,645 --> 00:36:05,779 find out where he could find allies. 627 00:36:09,433 --> 00:36:13,390 _ 628 00:36:13,405 --> 00:36:17,040 It was shortly after. Um, I, I forget if 629 00:36:17,075 --> 00:36:18,241 he called me or I called him. 630 00:36:18,293 --> 00:36:19,793 I mean, there... It was a point where I was kind of 631 00:36:19,828 --> 00:36:22,378 going through her Rolodex and just letting people know. 632 00:36:22,414 --> 00:36:24,247 This was kind of again, like, I was calling the reporters, 633 00:36:24,299 --> 00:36:26,132 I was calling, you know, the police. 634 00:36:26,168 --> 00:36:28,501 He was obviously very sympathetic and, you know, 635 00:36:28,553 --> 00:36:31,221 sad to hear about it, and asked what he could do. 636 00:36:32,941 --> 00:36:34,307 And then it was around that time 637 00:36:34,342 --> 00:36:38,344 that people were starting to talk about him as a suspect. 638 00:36:38,396 --> 00:36:40,346 But it never made sense to me. 639 00:36:40,348 --> 00:36:42,482 Not for even a second. 640 00:36:43,852 --> 00:36:45,485 I knew how Susan felt about him. 641 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,240 Smith: Sareb and Bobby became very close 642 00:36:50,275 --> 00:36:51,691 right after Susan died. 643 00:36:52,861 --> 00:36:55,028 Which was a problem, because 644 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,165 the rest of us... You know, 645 00:36:59,201 --> 00:37:01,868 felt that we were living in different realities. 646 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,339 When people try to explain to me the predominant theory as to, 647 00:37:06,374 --> 00:37:08,374 "Hey, his wife went missing, and, you know, 648 00:37:08,426 --> 00:37:09,759 plenty of people think he killed her" 649 00:37:09,845 --> 00:37:11,928 and "Hey, look, they just opened up this case 650 00:37:11,963 --> 00:37:13,680 "just, you know, a month before, 651 00:37:13,715 --> 00:37:17,550 two months before, isn't that curious?" 652 00:37:17,602 --> 00:37:20,220 And "Hey, there's no such thing as coincidence." 653 00:37:20,222 --> 00:37:24,107 Um, it... I first say, "Of course there is coincidence. 654 00:37:24,142 --> 00:37:25,558 There's always coincidence." 655 00:37:27,812 --> 00:37:29,896 Yes, he is a part of the list, 656 00:37:29,948 --> 00:37:32,649 because he would have been allowed in. 657 00:37:32,701 --> 00:37:35,568 He, you know, she would have turned her back on him, 658 00:37:35,620 --> 00:37:36,786 you know. 659 00:37:36,821 --> 00:37:40,240 But, uh, nothing else make, makes sense to me on that. 660 00:37:42,327 --> 00:37:43,960 Smith: I can see how a young person, 661 00:37:43,995 --> 00:37:47,213 who had just lost his mother figure 662 00:37:47,249 --> 00:37:49,999 and he was starting out in life, 663 00:37:50,051 --> 00:37:53,753 would like to believe in a multimillionaire 664 00:37:53,755 --> 00:37:55,638 who could be his good friend. 665 00:37:56,798 --> 00:38:00,074 _ 666 00:38:00,095 --> 00:38:02,095 Well, no, it wasn't... I mean, well, 667 00:38:02,097 --> 00:38:05,098 he had, well, he basically in a conversation 668 00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:07,183 that we had had at some point, 669 00:38:07,235 --> 00:38:10,436 again it came up, I hadn't gone to college. 670 00:38:10,488 --> 00:38:13,606 He asked me, "How much would it cost for you to go?" 671 00:38:13,658 --> 00:38:16,910 And so I, you know, I told him, "About $200,000." 672 00:38:16,945 --> 00:38:19,028 It was a little padded, admittedly, but not by much. 673 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,282 I mean, it was tuition, living, being able to focus. 674 00:38:22,334 --> 00:38:24,500 He said, "I'll give you $25,000 a year for 4 years." 675 00:38:28,249 --> 00:38:29,728 _ 676 00:38:29,740 --> 00:38:31,325 _ 677 00:38:31,343 --> 00:38:32,792 Kaufman: On his next trip around, 678 00:38:32,844 --> 00:38:34,961 Bob said he wanted to have dinner. 679 00:38:36,166 --> 00:38:37,410 _ 680 00:38:37,432 --> 00:38:38,681 We did not. 681 00:38:38,717 --> 00:38:40,049 We did not have that dinner. 682 00:38:40,064 --> 00:38:41,497 _ 683 00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:43,219 Because apparently shortly thereafter, 684 00:38:43,271 --> 00:38:47,307 he was on the run for the, uh... Well, 685 00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:49,859 at the time it was arrested for 686 00:38:49,894 --> 00:38:53,146 murder and dismemberment of a body. 687 00:38:53,198 --> 00:38:56,366 So, he missed the dinner. [Chuckles] 688 00:38:59,537 --> 00:39:01,654 [Camera shutter clicking] 689 00:39:04,709 --> 00:39:06,125 Female reporter: Galveston Police are convinced 690 00:39:06,161 --> 00:39:08,628 58-year-old Robert Durst killed and dismembered 691 00:39:08,663 --> 00:39:10,997 his 71-year-old-neighbor Morris Black, 692 00:39:10,999 --> 00:39:13,333 then threw his body parts into Galveston Bay. 693 00:39:15,303 --> 00:39:17,337 Durst: I spent one night in prison. 694 00:39:19,841 --> 00:39:23,426 I had been told by the detective that, uh, 695 00:39:23,478 --> 00:39:25,228 "You've been charged with murder. 696 00:39:25,263 --> 00:39:29,148 Bail has been set at $250,000." 697 00:39:29,184 --> 00:39:31,851 And I didn't think that when you were charged with murder... 698 00:39:31,903 --> 00:39:35,104 I mean, I didn't know nothing, but you, you can't give 699 00:39:35,156 --> 00:39:37,156 someone charged with murder a bail, 700 00:39:37,192 --> 00:39:39,993 because they're going to run away, of course! 701 00:39:40,028 --> 00:39:41,411 But was your intention when you put up 702 00:39:41,446 --> 00:39:43,913 the $250,000 to run away? 703 00:39:43,948 --> 00:39:46,366 Oh, good-bye, $250,000. 704 00:39:46,368 --> 00:39:49,035 Good-bye, jail. I'm, I'm out! 705 00:39:53,708 --> 00:39:55,625 Male reporter: Manhattan real estate heir Robert Durst 706 00:39:55,677 --> 00:39:57,260 back in custody. 707 00:39:57,295 --> 00:39:59,712 Busted while trying to shoplift a $6.00 708 00:39:59,764 --> 00:40:02,849 chicken salad sandwich at a Pennsylvania market. 709 00:40:05,053 --> 00:40:07,854 Durst: I went into the Wegmans to do grocery shopping, 710 00:40:07,889 --> 00:40:09,222 get the newspaper. 711 00:40:12,310 --> 00:40:16,396 I don't know what gave me the idea that I should shoplift. 712 00:40:16,398 --> 00:40:19,365 To see if I could get away with it, or whatever it was. 713 00:40:19,401 --> 00:40:21,484 But I decided rather than to pay, 714 00:40:21,536 --> 00:40:22,902 I was just going to take it. 715 00:40:26,074 --> 00:40:27,073 And as I was leaving, 716 00:40:27,075 --> 00:40:30,126 the, the two security people were out front, 717 00:40:30,161 --> 00:40:31,744 and they have to talk to me. 718 00:40:31,746 --> 00:40:33,079 We're sorry. You'll have to come with us. 719 00:40:33,131 --> 00:40:34,881 Blah blah blah. 720 00:40:34,916 --> 00:40:37,834 Idiotically, I went with them. 721 00:40:37,886 --> 00:40:40,136 Um, and I was arrested. 722 00:40:42,924 --> 00:40:45,892 Man: Durst was wanted for murder in Galveston, Texas, 723 00:40:45,927 --> 00:40:48,761 and he's a suspect for murders in Los Angeles 724 00:40:48,813 --> 00:40:50,563 and Westchester County, New York. 725 00:40:53,651 --> 00:40:54,851 Woman: What about Susan Berman? 726 00:40:54,903 --> 00:40:56,436 Did you have anything to do with her murder? 727 00:41:02,026 --> 00:41:03,776 Jarecki: Why were you bald? 728 00:41:03,828 --> 00:41:06,779 Durst: I was on the lam. I was trying to disguise myself, 729 00:41:06,831 --> 00:41:08,414 and that worked real good. 730 00:41:10,368 --> 00:41:12,752 Jarecki: Did you shave your eyebrows? 731 00:41:12,787 --> 00:41:15,371 - Everything. - Jarecki: Why? 732 00:41:15,423 --> 00:41:17,590 It looks more like a... Less like me. 733 00:41:17,625 --> 00:41:19,792 You, you look like a... You look weird 734 00:41:19,844 --> 00:41:23,463 with your eyebrows shaved in addition to your head. 735 00:41:23,515 --> 00:41:25,348 And that was intentional? 736 00:41:25,383 --> 00:41:28,957 Yeah! How do you accidentally shave your eyebrows? 737 00:41:29,295 --> 00:41:33,053 Sync, corrected by icephoenix www.addic7ed.com 738 00:41:33,103 --> 00:41:37,653 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 57304

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