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Katie Couric: She had
everything to live for,
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and yet she just disappeared.
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Now new and alarming questions
are being raised
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about what happened to a young
wife and medical student
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here in New York
some 20 years ago.
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Man: Two decades later,
Kathie Durst is suddenly
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more than a memory,
thanks to a tip
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from a defendant
in an unrelated case.
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I had arrested an individual
named Timothy Martin.
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And Timmy was arrested for
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several counts
of public lewdness.
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He was basically
exposing himself to women.
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He was convicted,
and shortly before sentencing,
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his attorney contacted me
and stated that
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Timmy wanted to
sit down with me and talk to me
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about some information
he had on an old murder
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that occurred up here
in Northern Westchester.
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What he stated was that
he had heard that there was
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a young woman named Kathie Durst
who was murdered by her husband
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at their cottage
up in South Salem.
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I remember that day the little,
red light
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was flashing on my
answering machine,
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and I hit the button
and it was Joe Becerra.
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And he said,
"We're looking into the Kathie Durst case."
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My heart almost stopped.
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Explosion.
This whole set of fireworks that went out
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that was like hope
has been regenerated.
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We were, like, stunned.
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I mean, you know,
it's, you know, it's,
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don't forget it's almost
20 years after the fact.
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And all of a sudden,
Kathie's disappearance
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may be close at hand
in terms of a solution.
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Woman: These two guys
pulled up in a car,
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and they came onto the property
and said they were detectives
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and could they come in and look
at something in the house
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and ask me a couple questions.
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They looked into a closet,
and they took a shelf down
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and they started pulling things
out and dug back to an area that
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I didn't even know
existed in my house.
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I guess they were looking for
a weapon or, you know,
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bloodstains or something.
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Jeanine Pirro: No one had ever
searched the house.
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No one had ever attempted
to search the house,
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search the lake,
search anywhere else.
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I mean, it was very telling
that there was a whole area
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that needed to be investigated.
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That this case
was not investigated
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the way it should have been.
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No one even looked at it.
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You know,
starting at square one.
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Sundown on the sorry day
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By night lights,
the children pray
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I know you're probably
getting ready for bed
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Beautiful woman,
get out of my head
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I'm so tired
of the same old crud
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Sweet baby,
I need fresh blood
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Whoo!
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Howl!
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Howl!
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Female reporter:
Is Robert Durst a suspect?
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We're not ruling him in
and we're not ruling him out.
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He certainly was
a person who had
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the most information
about Kathleen Durst.
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Jarecki: So, you hear
about this investigation.
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You read the article.
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Durst: And it blew me away.
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Absolutely,
totally blew me away.
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I'd never heard the name
Jeanine Pirro before.
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And I was told
about Jeanine Pirro.
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Has higher aspirations.
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Wants to run for
something big statewide.
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I wasn't the least bit concerned
about the details.
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The divers searched the lake
until you're blue in the face.
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You took a wall out of the house.
Ridiculous.
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Jarecki: What were
the divers for?
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Obviously,
they were looking for body parts,
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looking for something that
can be used as evidence.
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But what they don't announce
is what they found.
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Uh, nothing
of evidentiary value.
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I remember being disappointed,
uh, you know,
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that nothing came up
in the search.
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But it also piqued my interest.
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Because I knew,
based upon whether it was
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the inconsistent statements or,
you know,
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the prosecutors, or the cops,
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that there was
something more here.
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My name's Ed Murphy.
I'm a senior investigator
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with the Westchester
District Attorney's Office.
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I've been in law enforcement
approximately 40 years.
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Now with the case
being reopened,
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and it's being looked at again,
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certain things come
to the surface.
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And the decision was made
by my office
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to explore this
and see what we can do.
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So, we went back
and we reinterviewed
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everybody who was interviewed
20 years prior.
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Becerra: When I started
speaking with Kathie's friends,
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they all said to me that
I should speak to Susan Berman.
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That she was a very close
friend of Bobby's.
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That they were close
since college.
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That when Kathie went missing,
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she protected Bobby
from the press.
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And they basically told me
if anyone knows anything
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about Kathie's disappearance,
it would be Susan Berman.
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Durst: Susan and I would spend
a lot of time together,
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we could talk,
we had the thing in common,
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both of her parents died
when she was young,
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and I had one parent die
when I was young.
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And her background?
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Rich, Las Vegas,
mobster father.
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Jane Pauley: This happy,
little girl was 5 years old
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when this snapshot was taken.
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Her mother had been
a tap dancer,
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but gave it up when she married.
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Her father was rich and powerful
and doted on his only child.
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That little girl today
is Susan Berman.
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And she's the author of
Easy Street.
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You grew up to age of 21
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not knowing that
your dad was a gangster.
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How'd you finally find out?
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A friend at UCLA,
Jane, asked me
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if I'd seen
a certain crime book
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that just came out.
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And I said, "No."
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And I ran to the store
in Los Angeles and looked,
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and there was my father,
described as
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an ex-con from Sing Sing
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who'd kill a man with
one hand behind his back.
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Man: He was tied in
with the so-called
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"Murder Incorporated."
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After all, he was a bank robber
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at one time, you know.
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[Chuckles]
So...
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Woman: She was
quite proud of him.
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And he was bigger than life.
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So, yes, she does,
yes, she deified him.
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She even had his mug shot framed
in the living room.
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Something happened
when she met Bobby Durst.
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It was like "Here's a man
as powerful as my father.
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"He is connected.
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"He has money.
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"He can always get
out of trouble.
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And he needs me."
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And she always used to say,
"He needs me."
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"We have a special friendship."
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Male reporter: 19 years ago,
Robert Durst told police
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he had driven his wife
from their country house
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in South Salem, New York,
to this nearby train station,
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where she boarded
the city-bound train,
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headed for their
Manhattan apartment
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and a busy week
at medical school.
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But no one close to Kathie
would see her again.
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[Reading] "The beautiful wife
of a wealthy Manhattan
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real estate developer
has disappeared."
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"There has been no trace of
sandy-haired Kathleen Durst, 29,
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"since January 31,
when she returned to her penthouse
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"after a weekend in the country.
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"The doorman at
37 Riverside Drive
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"saw her arrive home
that Sunday evening
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and go to her apartment."
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This would not be information
gleaned from the police.
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We wouldn't give that out.
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It's being fed
to the newspaper at that time
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from the Durst side.
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Durst: When Kathie disappeared,
I saw the media was calling.
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I told Susan, "I got a call from
this reporter and this reporter.
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Could you call them back
and you just handle it?"
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Since she was a writer,
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she was used to dealing
with the press.
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Susan took it upon herself
to become his spokesperson.
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Struk: She was facilitating a
story that established the fact
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that Kathie arrived
in Manhattan alive.
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Bob and Susan were in
a concerted campaign
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to plant these ideas out there,
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and already people are starting
to pick up on them.
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So, it becomes that much
more difficult
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to find out what
really happened.
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If you reconstruct
the case of Kathie,
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there were several people
who saw Kathie
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when we know she was dead.
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And she was heard from
Monday morning.
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Mrs. Durst was a fourth year
medical student
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here at the Albert Einstein
College of Medicine,
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and she was to have
a clinic class that morning,
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but she called up saying
she wasn't feeling well
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and she wouldn't be in that day.
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And as far as police know,
that's the last time
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that anyone
had contact with her.
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Struk: The dean
at the medical school,
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obviously somebody was, um,
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assisted Mr. Durst
in calling him.
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Well, sitting here today,
it's, it,
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my, my money would be
that it was Susan Berman.
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In our minds,
Kathie made it to Manhattan.
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So, with luck and a little bit of...
cunning,
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it slipped through.
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He got that one past us,
I guess.
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I think we all know now,
30 years later,
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that anything Bob says
you have to question, you know.
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I don't think they
thought that way then.
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Man: You want to talk
about the guts of our case?
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The guts of our case is that
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Kathie Durst and Bob Durst
were married.
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The marriage spun
out of control.
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Became increasingly volatile.
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We found out she
asked him for a divorce.
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Got a divorce attorney.
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Murphy: That prior Thursday
before she went missing,
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Kathie's attorney
told her that Bob Durst
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had turned down their request
for an agreement on a divorce.
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So, 3 days prior to this,
you know,
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Bob's turning down
this settlement
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that she wants in this divorce,
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and they're going
up there together.
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Hynes: At the time
of her disappearance,
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they were together in the
upstate house in South Salem.
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And there is no evidence,
credible evidence,
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that she ever left South Salem.
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Murphy: I don't know
how he killed her, but
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I don't think she ever got on a train,
that's for sure.
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Jarecki: Did you have
anything to do
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with the death of your wife?
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I don't know that she's dead.
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Do you think that it's
possible that she's alive now?
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It's possible.
Not likely.
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It's not what I think.
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I think she's almost
definitely dead.
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But I don't know
that she's dead.
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So, to put a finer point on it,
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did you have anything to do
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with the disappearance
of your wife?
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No.
I don't know where she is.
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I don't know
what happened to her.
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I don't know how
it happened to her.
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I had nothing to do
with what happened to her,
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except very, um,
obliquely or whatever you would...
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It was a bad marriage
and that was at least half,
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probably a lot more, my fault.
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But other than that,
I had nothing to do with
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what caused her
or what happened
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to her disappearance,
in her disappearance.
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Murphy: When he gives his
original statement to the police,
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he leaves the car at home.
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Doesn't bring it into the city.
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Doesn't have the car the day
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he reports her missing,
you know?
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Maybe he was afraid
to have the car there,
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because they might want
to search it or look at it.
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He probably took Kathie,
put her in the trunk of the car,
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and got rid of her somewhere.
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Hynes: We did some phone record
sweeping, and we found that
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some of the phone records show
that the Durst Organization
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got collect phone calls
from Ship Bottom, New Jersey,
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on Tuesday,
after Kathie's disappearance.
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We were able to track down
where those calls came from.
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And there was a coin-operated
phone in the laundromat.
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Now, how do we know that
Bob Durst made those calls?
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Well, one of the things we know
is that there are only
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two people who made collect
calls to the Durst Organization.
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We know that from
the people who worked there.
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And one of those people
was Bob Durst.
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The other person was Seymour.
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So, Seymour undoubtedly wasn't
in Ship Bottom that day.
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Jarecki: You used to
call the office collect.
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Oh, all the time.
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- Jarecki: Tell me about that.
- I would call the office collect.
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Jarecki: Why did you do that?
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I didn't want to pay for it.
Let Seymour pay for it.
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The only reason I'm calling
is because he wants me to call.
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There were a series
of collect calls
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made from Ship Bottom,
New Jersey.
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That's on the coast somewhere.
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Jarecki: Yeah.
So, there are 3 calls made
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to the Durst Organization
from Ship Bottom.
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Now, you were
the collect call guy,
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so, I think the speculation is
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"Well, Bob must have
made those phone calls."
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Except Bob didn't
make those calls.
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Bob was not in Ship Bottom.
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Can you think of any reason why
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these phone calls,
these collect calls,
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would be made to
the Durst Organization
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during the day?
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I have no idea
who made the calls.
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Were there other people
that you knew of
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that would make collect
calls to the company?
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Several. Yes.
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Yes.
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Executives?
Or family members?
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Somebody had a,
had a beach house
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and was calling and,
and getting
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one of the receptionists...
Not the usual receptionist...
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To accept the calls.
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That had happened periodically
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that spring and summer
and fall.
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Make no mistake,
we went digging looking for a body.
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I mean, you know,
we know that he was in New Jersey
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within a couple of days
of her disappearance.
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Jarecki: Do you have any thought
about where she is?
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About where her body might be?
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I have no idea.
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Wouldn't know how to begin.
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Wouldn't know if her body...
If she was dead... I would not know
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if her body would be
in the State of New York,
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or in the State of New Jersey
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or in the Northern Hemisphere,
or anything like that.
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Hynes: If you go to Ship Bottom
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and the area surrounding
the Pine Barrens,
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you see ample, ample real estate
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where he could have
dumped the body.
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It's actually a place
where mob bosses
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used to order that
bodies be dumped.
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And what connection is that?
Well, Susan Berman,
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who was very friendly
with Bob at the time,
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had a lot of connections
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and a lot of friends
in organized crime.
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Lankford: I would say
that Susan would do anything
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to help her close friends.
333
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No matter the situation.
Mm-hmm.
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She was... She was loyal.
335
00:19:06,012 --> 00:19:09,463
I think she was a loyal soul
to the end.
336
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Jarecki: What was your
relationship with Susan Berman
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over all those years?
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When Kathie disappeared,
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initially the first
several years,
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Susan was living,
still living in New York.
341
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And I saw her frequently
in New York.
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Then she moved to Los Angeles.
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Strauss: I went online
and I traced Susan Berman
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from Beekman Place
all the way out
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to Benedict Canyon
in California.
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I gave the police
a map to her door.
347
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And I said, "Whatever you do,
interview this woman.
348
00:19:51,140 --> 00:19:53,340
"She knows more than
she's saying.
349
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"She's a good friend of Bob's.
350
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Maybe she won't tell you anything,
but maybe she will."
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Smith: We had a conversation
in which I said, "Susan,
352
00:20:01,184 --> 00:20:04,068
"did you see the piece
in the New York Times
353
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about Kathie Durst's
case being reopened?"
354
00:20:07,523 --> 00:20:09,356
And she said,
"Julie, don't talk to me about that.
355
00:20:09,408 --> 00:20:11,575
"I don't want
to talk about that.
356
00:20:11,611 --> 00:20:13,444
They're out to get Bobby."
357
00:20:13,496 --> 00:20:14,578
That's what she said.
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Jarecki: Did you have contact
with Susan around that same time?
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Durst: Yes.
360
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Jarecki: What did she say,
if you remember?
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Durst: She wrote, "Oh, Bobby.
This is terrible for you.
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I hate that you have
to go through this."
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Jarecki: But you heard from her
that she had been
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contacted by the police?
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- Durst: Yes.
- Jarecki: What did she say?
366
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Durst: "The Los Angeles Police
contacted me.
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00:20:44,143 --> 00:20:47,528
They want to talk to me about
Kathie Durst's disappearance."
368
00:20:50,399 --> 00:20:52,900
Something happens
to Susan then.
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00:20:52,952 --> 00:20:57,071
Oh, not long after that,
Susan Berman was murdered.
370
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Around Christmas of 2000.
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372
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_
373
00:21:42,262 --> 00:21:44,739
_
374
00:21:44,754 --> 00:21:46,203
Yeah, I was going
to Europe for,
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like, 3-ish weeks
for the holiday.
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00:21:49,091 --> 00:21:50,791
And my, I had no parking
in my neighborhood,
377
00:21:50,843 --> 00:21:52,376
so, I parked my car
in the garage,
378
00:21:52,428 --> 00:21:54,545
and Susan kept her car here.
379
00:21:54,597 --> 00:21:57,348
And we hung out
and sort of exchanged
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gifts and cards
and well wishes,
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and then the taxi came and,
you know, we said, "I love you,"
382
00:22:03,139 --> 00:22:04,638
and I got in the taxi and left.
383
00:22:13,504 --> 00:22:16,223
_
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I met her at 13.
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00:22:17,954 --> 00:22:20,321
She, uh,
had started dating my father.
386
00:22:22,158 --> 00:22:24,708
We moved in with her, uh,
387
00:22:24,744 --> 00:22:27,628
I want to say, like,
a year into their dating.
388
00:22:30,499 --> 00:22:35,419
Because of how light,
happy, joyous, quick,
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00:22:35,471 --> 00:22:38,505
brilliant, aware she was,
390
00:22:38,507 --> 00:22:42,810
daily life was
fascinating and fun.
391
00:22:42,845 --> 00:22:45,262
She laughs a lot.
She laughed a lot.
392
00:22:45,314 --> 00:22:49,933
And, um, you know,
frivolously spent a lot.
393
00:22:49,986 --> 00:22:53,103
And everything could be
turned into a story.
394
00:22:55,274 --> 00:22:57,524
Woman: She came alive
for those few years
395
00:22:57,576 --> 00:22:59,360
that she became their mother.
396
00:22:59,362 --> 00:23:03,447
It was, it was just,
it was wonderful to see.
397
00:23:03,499 --> 00:23:06,617
When the relationship of their
father's was breaking up,
398
00:23:06,669 --> 00:23:10,537
both of these kids,
willingly and together,
399
00:23:10,539 --> 00:23:13,590
made the declaration
that they are choosing
400
00:23:13,626 --> 00:23:15,542
to live with their mother Susan.
401
00:23:17,813 --> 00:23:22,299
When I called and she didn't
pick up Christmas Eve,
402
00:23:22,351 --> 00:23:24,685
obviously I didn't know what,
but something was wrong.
403
00:23:26,689 --> 00:23:27,938
Marcus: Well, I called because
404
00:23:27,973 --> 00:23:30,224
she was late for dinner
by a half-hour,
405
00:23:30,226 --> 00:23:32,643
and she was always very,
very punctual
406
00:23:32,695 --> 00:23:34,695
when it came to
little family dos.
407
00:23:38,951 --> 00:23:40,951
I said,
"Susie. It's Deni.
408
00:23:40,986 --> 00:23:43,904
"Um, I hope you didn't confuse
tonight with tomorrow night.
409
00:23:43,956 --> 00:23:45,823
"I've got Koo Koo Roo.
We're waiting for you.
410
00:23:45,875 --> 00:23:47,708
"Tommy's hungry.
Mom's hungry.
411
00:23:47,743 --> 00:23:49,410
Where are you?"
412
00:23:49,462 --> 00:23:53,330
So, then the phone did pick up.
It was a man's voice.
413
00:23:53,382 --> 00:23:54,665
I said, "Who's this?"
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He said, "Detective..."
415
00:23:56,218 --> 00:23:59,753
I didn't even hear his name.
I heard the word "detective"
416
00:23:59,755 --> 00:24:01,588
from the L.A.
Police Department.
417
00:24:05,895 --> 00:24:08,011
Man, reading:
"On December 24, 2000,
418
00:24:08,064 --> 00:24:11,465
"West Los Angeles patrol officers
responded to a radio call...
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00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:15,502
Open door at 1527
Benedict Canyon Drive."
420
00:24:17,073 --> 00:24:19,239
"The officers,
upon arriving at the scene,
421
00:24:19,275 --> 00:24:21,008
"observed the rear door
standing open,
422
00:24:21,043 --> 00:24:22,443
and entered the residence."
423
00:24:24,613 --> 00:24:26,613
"The officers discovered
the victim's body
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00:24:26,665 --> 00:24:28,949
"supine on the floor
of a bedroom
425
00:24:29,001 --> 00:24:31,952
located in the southwest
portion of the residence."
426
00:24:33,956 --> 00:24:37,791
"The victim had sustained
a gunshot wound to the head.
427
00:24:37,793 --> 00:24:41,128
Paramedic pronounced death
at 13:48 hours."
428
00:24:45,384 --> 00:24:48,352
The first thing I remember was
the condition of the house.
429
00:24:48,387 --> 00:24:51,188
Uh, it was, uh, pretty barren.
430
00:24:51,223 --> 00:24:53,307
I think all the furniture
that was in there
431
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,776
was things that people
had loaned her.
432
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,415
There was no carpeting
on the concrete floors.
433
00:25:01,450 --> 00:25:03,717
There was no heat
in the residence.
434
00:25:06,188 --> 00:25:07,554
And there's no
drawers overturned.
435
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:09,022
Nothing had spilled out.
436
00:25:09,058 --> 00:25:11,725
Everything is intact.
The computer is there.
437
00:25:13,662 --> 00:25:16,563
The front door was
secured with deadbolt locks.
438
00:25:16,599 --> 00:25:19,166
There was no evidence of
any kind of forced entry.
439
00:25:20,269 --> 00:25:22,836
Which meant to me,
or indicated to me,
440
00:25:22,888 --> 00:25:26,006
that whoever killed her
had probably
441
00:25:26,058 --> 00:25:29,476
been let in by Susan Berman.
442
00:25:38,244 --> 00:25:41,681
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443
00:25:45,361 --> 00:25:48,862
Bagli: I'm in an office
waiting to interview someone.
444
00:25:48,914 --> 00:25:50,247
And I look at The Daily News,
445
00:25:50,282 --> 00:25:53,033
and there's this tiny,
little story out of L.A.
446
00:25:53,085 --> 00:25:57,871
that Susan Berman was
found shot dead in L.A.
447
00:25:57,873 --> 00:25:59,289
And I almost
fell out of my chair.
448
00:25:59,341 --> 00:26:02,042
I just sat straight up
and I wanted to leave.
449
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,740
_
450
00:26:05,764 --> 00:26:09,883
Strauss: That was probably
the only time in this case
451
00:26:09,935 --> 00:26:12,853
that really,
really took my breath away.
452
00:26:12,888 --> 00:26:15,105
I was standing up
when I answered the phone.
453
00:26:15,140 --> 00:26:17,224
I felt my knees get weak.
454
00:26:17,276 --> 00:26:20,477
Because I, it was like,
I told them, "Go out there."
455
00:26:21,209 --> 00:26:24,934
_
456
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:28,202
Pirro: When I heard
that Susan had been murdered,
457
00:26:28,237 --> 00:26:30,954
the first person I thought of
was Robert Durst.
458
00:26:30,990 --> 00:26:32,739
Because we were about
to speak with her.
459
00:26:32,859 --> 00:26:34,905
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460
00:26:34,929 --> 00:26:37,077
Woman: Susan Berman
wasn't just killed.
461
00:26:37,129 --> 00:26:39,580
I mean, it was execution.
462
00:26:39,582 --> 00:26:42,416
Her death is a very
questionable death,
463
00:26:42,418 --> 00:26:44,384
not just in terms of the fact
that it was a homicide,
464
00:26:44,420 --> 00:26:47,638
but the timing is
extremely curious.
465
00:26:48,112 --> 00:26:51,824
_
466
00:26:53,762 --> 00:26:56,730
Jarecki: How did you react when
you heard about Susan's murder?
467
00:26:56,765 --> 00:26:59,900
I felt terrible for Susan.
468
00:26:59,935 --> 00:27:01,852
I was astonished that they were
469
00:27:01,904 --> 00:27:04,021
putting all this together
that I did it
470
00:27:04,073 --> 00:27:06,773
or I caused it to be done.
471
00:27:06,825 --> 00:27:10,110
Did you have anything to do
with Susan Berman's death?
472
00:27:10,112 --> 00:27:13,614
I had nothing to do
with Susan Berman's death.
473
00:27:15,417 --> 00:27:17,117
Did you have
any theory yourself
474
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,002
of what might have
happened to Susan?
475
00:27:19,038 --> 00:27:20,203
No.
476
00:27:25,844 --> 00:27:27,628
Jarecki: Does it make sense
to you that there were
477
00:27:27,630 --> 00:27:29,429
people that suspected
you of having...?
478
00:27:29,465 --> 00:27:32,099
Oh, sure.
I mean, because
479
00:27:32,134 --> 00:27:33,800
she was my spokesman.
480
00:27:33,802 --> 00:27:34,968
All of a sudden, she's dead
481
00:27:35,020 --> 00:27:39,523
right after Jeanine Pirro's
doing the investigation of me.
482
00:27:39,558 --> 00:27:41,558
Mm-hmm.
483
00:27:41,610 --> 00:27:42,693
That I shut her up.
484
00:27:46,482 --> 00:27:47,698
Female reporter:
She wrote about mobsters,
485
00:27:47,733 --> 00:27:50,083
and she was
the daughter of one.
486
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,568
So, when author Susan Berman
487
00:27:51,620 --> 00:27:54,321
was found dead of a single
gunshot wound to the head
488
00:27:54,373 --> 00:27:56,957
at her Benedict Canyon home
on Christmas Eve,
489
00:27:56,992 --> 00:27:59,576
all of the obvious
questions came up.
490
00:27:59,628 --> 00:28:01,828
Mostly
"Was it a mob-style hit?"
491
00:28:03,253 --> 00:28:06,317
_
492
00:28:06,335 --> 00:28:08,251
We were surprised
to learn that Robert Durst
493
00:28:08,304 --> 00:28:11,555
was not a suspect
in Susan Berman's murder.
494
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:16,677
The LAPD was looking at mob
connections of that murder.
495
00:28:16,729 --> 00:28:19,262
Male reporter: Susan Berman's
business manager said that
496
00:28:19,315 --> 00:28:21,431
she had been working on
television projects
497
00:28:21,483 --> 00:28:25,402
about the mob's days in Las Vegas
when she was killed.
498
00:28:25,437 --> 00:28:28,071
She did talk to me about
something she was working on
499
00:28:28,107 --> 00:28:29,439
that I think was not
a screenplay.
500
00:28:29,491 --> 00:28:31,274
I think it was
a journalism story.
501
00:28:31,327 --> 00:28:34,361
And I think that
it involved the mob.
502
00:28:34,363 --> 00:28:35,612
"Something big."
503
00:28:35,664 --> 00:28:39,916
She was going to blow the socks
off of something.
504
00:28:39,952 --> 00:28:42,536
"Something big was
going to happen."
505
00:28:42,538 --> 00:28:45,172
And I said, "Well, what?"
506
00:28:45,207 --> 00:28:46,373
"Well,
I can't talk about it now,
507
00:28:46,425 --> 00:28:48,425
but something big is
going to happen."
508
00:28:58,887 --> 00:29:00,520
Padden, Sr.: I was
suspicious right away.
509
00:29:02,391 --> 00:29:04,141
Back of the head.
510
00:29:04,193 --> 00:29:07,694
That's traditional
in mob killings.
511
00:29:45,267 --> 00:29:46,983
Coulter: The Beverly Hills
Police Department received
512
00:29:47,019 --> 00:29:49,152
a letter in the mail.
513
00:29:49,188 --> 00:29:52,105
The envelope was addressed
"Beverly Hills Police."
514
00:29:52,157 --> 00:29:53,657
Beverly is spelled wrong,
515
00:29:53,692 --> 00:29:57,444
spelled with LEY
instead of just LY.
516
00:29:57,496 --> 00:30:02,282
And the note read,
"1527 Benedict Canyon,"
517
00:30:02,334 --> 00:30:03,950
and the word "Cadaver."
518
00:30:06,038 --> 00:30:07,838
The letter was
postmarked the day before
519
00:30:07,873 --> 00:30:11,258
the discovery of
the victim's body.
520
00:30:11,293 --> 00:30:12,959
That letter says a lot.
521
00:30:13,011 --> 00:30:16,379
It gets mailed to
a police department,
522
00:30:16,432 --> 00:30:20,634
so that somebody would
come and find her body
523
00:30:20,686 --> 00:30:27,274
so it's not sitting there,
decomposing, rotting away.
524
00:30:27,309 --> 00:30:30,143
I mean, it's somebody that
obviously cares about her.
525
00:30:34,366 --> 00:30:38,452
So, we eliminated the mafia
being a possible suspect.
526
00:30:44,576 --> 00:30:45,876
So, what do you
think about this?
527
00:30:45,911 --> 00:30:46,960
About this note?
528
00:30:46,995 --> 00:30:49,162
I mean, does this note
mean anything to you?
529
00:30:49,164 --> 00:30:51,548
Durst: Yeah, I mean,
that's her address.
530
00:30:51,583 --> 00:30:55,218
Block letters so somebody
was hiding their signature.
531
00:30:55,254 --> 00:30:57,838
And they spelled
"Beverly" wrong.
532
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,339
Jarecki: Can you think of a reason
533
00:30:59,391 --> 00:31:02,676
why somebody might
write a note like that?
534
00:31:02,728 --> 00:31:05,228
I can't imagine.
535
00:31:05,264 --> 00:31:07,013
Can't imagine.
536
00:31:07,015 --> 00:31:08,982
One of the speculations is that
537
00:31:09,017 --> 00:31:10,567
if it was somebody
that liked her,
538
00:31:10,602 --> 00:31:13,436
they wouldn't want her
lying around in her house.
539
00:31:13,489 --> 00:31:14,688
You know, if she had to die,
she shouldn't die...
540
00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:17,190
Durst: If somebody liked her,
why kill her?
541
00:31:17,242 --> 00:31:21,194
And now you're taking
this big risk.
542
00:31:23,165 --> 00:31:24,748
Which big risk?
543
00:31:24,783 --> 00:31:27,367
You're writing
a note to the police
544
00:31:27,369 --> 00:31:30,253
that only the killer
could have written.
545
00:31:35,878 --> 00:31:37,294
Coulter: One of the things
that we confiscated
546
00:31:37,346 --> 00:31:40,463
was Susan's
computer hard drive.
547
00:31:40,516 --> 00:31:42,766
And we found a ledger,
548
00:31:42,801 --> 00:31:47,137
of names of people
that had sent her money.
549
00:31:47,189 --> 00:31:49,639
She was reaching out to past
550
00:31:49,691 --> 00:31:54,027
business associates
or friends for money.
551
00:31:58,450 --> 00:32:00,617
Padden, Jr.: She started
having money problems.
552
00:32:02,704 --> 00:32:05,155
She was months behind in rent.
553
00:32:06,371 --> 00:32:09,224
_
554
00:32:09,244 --> 00:32:11,044
You know,
she's going to get through this.
555
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:15,999
She has deals that, uh,
were looking good with, you know,
556
00:32:16,051 --> 00:32:17,968
different projects
there in Hollywood.
557
00:32:20,255 --> 00:32:22,806
Smith: Susan wrote
a lot of screenplays.
558
00:32:22,841 --> 00:32:25,425
She had a lot of meetings.
559
00:32:25,477 --> 00:32:28,345
And she had so much
faith in herself.
560
00:32:28,397 --> 00:32:29,596
She really did.
561
00:32:29,598 --> 00:32:33,600
Um, but none of the screenplays
ever got bought.
562
00:32:36,071 --> 00:32:37,270
Kaufman: Being a woman,
563
00:32:37,272 --> 00:32:40,407
being an older woman
in this young industry
564
00:32:40,442 --> 00:32:44,194
just was hard
and getting harder.
565
00:32:47,616 --> 00:32:49,950
Obst: She was
in desperate straits.
566
00:32:49,952 --> 00:32:51,518
So, Susan in desperate straits
567
00:32:51,553 --> 00:32:53,954
was very different than
the Susan that I knew.
568
00:32:54,006 --> 00:32:58,291
People do things that...
Their relationships change.
569
00:32:58,293 --> 00:33:01,177
Susan could manipulate,
for sure.
570
00:33:03,682 --> 00:33:05,131
She was a good manipulator
571
00:33:05,133 --> 00:33:07,300
and could manipulate
for things that she wanted.
572
00:33:07,865 --> 00:33:15,997
_
573
00:33:19,197 --> 00:33:20,981
There was indications
that she had received
574
00:33:20,983 --> 00:33:22,649
a couple checks
from Bobby Durst.
575
00:33:32,327 --> 00:33:34,210
Susan was tough.
576
00:33:34,246 --> 00:33:37,664
And it, you know,
it probably would not have scared her to...
577
00:33:37,716 --> 00:33:39,749
I'm not saying
"threaten blackmail,"
578
00:33:39,801 --> 00:33:43,303
but to suggest,
"I can really use..."
579
00:33:43,338 --> 00:33:46,389
You know?
"And wouldn't it do us both some..."
580
00:33:46,425 --> 00:33:47,424
I could see it.
581
00:33:56,518 --> 00:33:59,736
Jarecki: Was there anything that
Susan knew as your confidante
582
00:33:59,821 --> 00:34:02,072
that you would have been uncomfortable
with her telling the police?
583
00:34:02,107 --> 00:34:03,773
Well, we had lots
of private things,
584
00:34:03,825 --> 00:34:05,358
but none of it had
anything to do with Kathie.
585
00:34:05,410 --> 00:34:08,244
I mean, when Kathie was,
you know, going bananas,
586
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,114
we would talk about Kathie
all the time.
587
00:34:11,166 --> 00:34:16,369
I couldn't imagine her talking
to the police about that,
588
00:34:16,421 --> 00:34:18,455
just sitting here right now.
589
00:34:18,507 --> 00:34:19,789
But "If the police
want to talk to me,
590
00:34:19,841 --> 00:34:21,124
"I'm just going to
talk to them.
591
00:34:21,176 --> 00:34:23,710
Is that all right?"
And, like, that was the conversation.
592
00:34:23,712 --> 00:34:24,794
"Do whatever you want."
593
00:34:32,604 --> 00:34:33,803
Kaufman on recording:
My name is Sareb Kaufman.
594
00:34:33,855 --> 00:34:36,523
Um, Susan Berman was my mother.
595
00:34:38,226 --> 00:34:40,310
There's just one request
that I would like to make,
596
00:34:40,362 --> 00:34:43,279
which is that we keep
the best in mind,
597
00:34:43,315 --> 00:34:47,400
and try not to dwell too much
on the sadness of these events.
598
00:34:48,987 --> 00:34:52,622
Coulter: People were
flying in for the memorial,
599
00:34:52,657 --> 00:34:56,076
and it was expected Bobby
was going to be there.
600
00:34:57,329 --> 00:35:00,130
Smith: I believe he was
in L.A. at the time,
601
00:35:00,165 --> 00:35:01,664
but he didn't come
to the funeral...
602
00:35:01,717 --> 00:35:03,133
To the memorial service.
603
00:35:06,209 --> 00:35:08,236
_
604
00:35:08,256 --> 00:35:09,672
Smith: Yes. He called me.
605
00:35:11,259 --> 00:35:13,059
I found the call
a little bit threatening,
606
00:35:13,095 --> 00:35:14,227
to tell you the truth.
607
00:35:14,262 --> 00:35:17,514
Um, he said...
608
00:35:17,566 --> 00:35:19,766
I, I don't recall
what he really said.
609
00:35:19,818 --> 00:35:22,152
You know, I don't recall what he gave
as the reason for the call.
610
00:35:22,187 --> 00:35:23,269
It could have been
something like
611
00:35:23,271 --> 00:35:24,821
"Just checking in with you."
612
00:35:24,856 --> 00:35:27,857
Never interested in me
for one second.
613
00:35:27,909 --> 00:35:30,443
Bobby called.
And why wouldn't he call?
614
00:35:30,445 --> 00:35:33,580
He was her best friend...
Or one of her best friends.
615
00:35:33,615 --> 00:35:35,915
And we commiserated with that.
616
00:35:37,489 --> 00:35:38,945
_
617
00:35:38,969 --> 00:35:40,670
"My God, isn't this awful?"
618
00:35:41,869 --> 00:35:45,027
_
619
00:35:45,043 --> 00:35:49,379
Maybe he did,
now that you're saying that.
620
00:35:49,431 --> 00:35:54,134
He was trying to,
to make allies in Susan's camp.
621
00:35:54,186 --> 00:35:55,802
For what reason, I'm not sure.
622
00:35:55,854 --> 00:35:57,637
Maybe, you know,
to keep us from
623
00:35:57,639 --> 00:35:59,389
talking to the cops,
which we already had.
624
00:35:59,441 --> 00:36:00,774
I, I have no idea.
625
00:36:00,809 --> 00:36:03,610
But he definitely was
trying to, to, um,
626
00:36:03,645 --> 00:36:05,779
find out where
he could find allies.
627
00:36:09,433 --> 00:36:13,390
_
628
00:36:13,405 --> 00:36:17,040
It was shortly after.
Um, I, I forget if
629
00:36:17,075 --> 00:36:18,241
he called me or I called him.
630
00:36:18,293 --> 00:36:19,793
I mean, there...
It was a point where I was kind of
631
00:36:19,828 --> 00:36:22,378
going through her Rolodex
and just letting people know.
632
00:36:22,414 --> 00:36:24,247
This was kind of again, like,
I was calling the reporters,
633
00:36:24,299 --> 00:36:26,132
I was calling,
you know, the police.
634
00:36:26,168 --> 00:36:28,501
He was obviously very
sympathetic and, you know,
635
00:36:28,553 --> 00:36:31,221
sad to hear about it,
and asked what he could do.
636
00:36:32,941 --> 00:36:34,307
And then it was
around that time
637
00:36:34,342 --> 00:36:38,344
that people were starting
to talk about him as a suspect.
638
00:36:38,396 --> 00:36:40,346
But it never made sense to me.
639
00:36:40,348 --> 00:36:42,482
Not for even a second.
640
00:36:43,852 --> 00:36:45,485
I knew how Susan
felt about him.
641
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,240
Smith: Sareb and Bobby
became very close
642
00:36:50,275 --> 00:36:51,691
right after Susan died.
643
00:36:52,861 --> 00:36:55,028
Which was a problem, because
644
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,165
the rest of us... You know,
645
00:36:59,201 --> 00:37:01,868
felt that we were living
in different realities.
646
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,339
When people try to explain to me
the predominant theory as to,
647
00:37:06,374 --> 00:37:08,374
"Hey, his wife went missing,
and, you know,
648
00:37:08,426 --> 00:37:09,759
plenty of people
think he killed her"
649
00:37:09,845 --> 00:37:11,928
and "Hey, look,
they just opened up this case
650
00:37:11,963 --> 00:37:13,680
"just, you know, a month before,
651
00:37:13,715 --> 00:37:17,550
two months before,
isn't that curious?"
652
00:37:17,602 --> 00:37:20,220
And "Hey, there's no such thing
as coincidence."
653
00:37:20,222 --> 00:37:24,107
Um, it... I first say,
"Of course there is coincidence.
654
00:37:24,142 --> 00:37:25,558
There's always coincidence."
655
00:37:27,812 --> 00:37:29,896
Yes, he is a part of the list,
656
00:37:29,948 --> 00:37:32,649
because he would have
been allowed in.
657
00:37:32,701 --> 00:37:35,568
He, you know, she would have
turned her back on him,
658
00:37:35,620 --> 00:37:36,786
you know.
659
00:37:36,821 --> 00:37:40,240
But, uh, nothing else make,
makes sense to me on that.
660
00:37:42,327 --> 00:37:43,960
Smith: I can see how
a young person,
661
00:37:43,995 --> 00:37:47,213
who had just lost
his mother figure
662
00:37:47,249 --> 00:37:49,999
and he was
starting out in life,
663
00:37:50,051 --> 00:37:53,753
would like to believe
in a multimillionaire
664
00:37:53,755 --> 00:37:55,638
who could be his good friend.
665
00:37:56,798 --> 00:38:00,074
_
666
00:38:00,095 --> 00:38:02,095
Well, no, it wasn't...
I mean, well,
667
00:38:02,097 --> 00:38:05,098
he had, well,
he basically in a conversation
668
00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:07,183
that we had had at some point,
669
00:38:07,235 --> 00:38:10,436
again it came up,
I hadn't gone to college.
670
00:38:10,488 --> 00:38:13,606
He asked me,
"How much would it cost for you to go?"
671
00:38:13,658 --> 00:38:16,910
And so I, you know, I told him,
"About $200,000."
672
00:38:16,945 --> 00:38:19,028
It was a little padded,
admittedly, but not by much.
673
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,282
I mean, it was tuition, living,
being able to focus.
674
00:38:22,334 --> 00:38:24,500
He said, "I'll give you
$25,000 a year for 4 years."
675
00:38:28,249 --> 00:38:29,728
_
676
00:38:29,740 --> 00:38:31,325
_
677
00:38:31,343 --> 00:38:32,792
Kaufman: On his
next trip around,
678
00:38:32,844 --> 00:38:34,961
Bob said he wanted
to have dinner.
679
00:38:36,166 --> 00:38:37,410
_
680
00:38:37,432 --> 00:38:38,681
We did not.
681
00:38:38,717 --> 00:38:40,049
We did not have that dinner.
682
00:38:40,064 --> 00:38:41,497
_
683
00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:43,219
Because apparently
shortly thereafter,
684
00:38:43,271 --> 00:38:47,307
he was on the run for the, uh...
Well,
685
00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:49,859
at the time it was arrested for
686
00:38:49,894 --> 00:38:53,146
murder and dismemberment
of a body.
687
00:38:53,198 --> 00:38:56,366
So, he missed the dinner.
[Chuckles]
688
00:38:59,537 --> 00:39:01,654
[Camera shutter clicking]
689
00:39:04,709 --> 00:39:06,125
Female reporter:
Galveston Police are convinced
690
00:39:06,161 --> 00:39:08,628
58-year-old Robert Durst
killed and dismembered
691
00:39:08,663 --> 00:39:10,997
his 71-year-old-neighbor
Morris Black,
692
00:39:10,999 --> 00:39:13,333
then threw his body parts
into Galveston Bay.
693
00:39:15,303 --> 00:39:17,337
Durst: I spent
one night in prison.
694
00:39:19,841 --> 00:39:23,426
I had been told by
the detective that, uh,
695
00:39:23,478 --> 00:39:25,228
"You've been charged
with murder.
696
00:39:25,263 --> 00:39:29,148
Bail has been set at $250,000."
697
00:39:29,184 --> 00:39:31,851
And I didn't think that when
you were charged with murder...
698
00:39:31,903 --> 00:39:35,104
I mean, I didn't know nothing,
but you, you can't give
699
00:39:35,156 --> 00:39:37,156
someone charged
with murder a bail,
700
00:39:37,192 --> 00:39:39,993
because they're going to run away,
of course!
701
00:39:40,028 --> 00:39:41,411
But was your intention
when you put up
702
00:39:41,446 --> 00:39:43,913
the $250,000 to run away?
703
00:39:43,948 --> 00:39:46,366
Oh, good-bye, $250,000.
704
00:39:46,368 --> 00:39:49,035
Good-bye, jail.
I'm, I'm out!
705
00:39:53,708 --> 00:39:55,625
Male reporter: Manhattan
real estate heir Robert Durst
706
00:39:55,677 --> 00:39:57,260
back in custody.
707
00:39:57,295 --> 00:39:59,712
Busted while trying
to shoplift a $6.00
708
00:39:59,764 --> 00:40:02,849
chicken salad sandwich
at a Pennsylvania market.
709
00:40:05,053 --> 00:40:07,854
Durst: I went into the Wegmans
to do grocery shopping,
710
00:40:07,889 --> 00:40:09,222
get the newspaper.
711
00:40:12,310 --> 00:40:16,396
I don't know what gave me the
idea that I should shoplift.
712
00:40:16,398 --> 00:40:19,365
To see if I could get away with it,
or whatever it was.
713
00:40:19,401 --> 00:40:21,484
But I decided
rather than to pay,
714
00:40:21,536 --> 00:40:22,902
I was just going to take it.
715
00:40:26,074 --> 00:40:27,073
And as I was leaving,
716
00:40:27,075 --> 00:40:30,126
the, the two security people
were out front,
717
00:40:30,161 --> 00:40:31,744
and they have to talk to me.
718
00:40:31,746 --> 00:40:33,079
We're sorry.
You'll have to come with us.
719
00:40:33,131 --> 00:40:34,881
Blah blah blah.
720
00:40:34,916 --> 00:40:37,834
Idiotically, I went with them.
721
00:40:37,886 --> 00:40:40,136
Um, and I was arrested.
722
00:40:42,924 --> 00:40:45,892
Man: Durst was wanted
for murder in Galveston, Texas,
723
00:40:45,927 --> 00:40:48,761
and he's a suspect for
murders in Los Angeles
724
00:40:48,813 --> 00:40:50,563
and Westchester County,
New York.
725
00:40:53,651 --> 00:40:54,851
Woman: What about
Susan Berman?
726
00:40:54,903 --> 00:40:56,436
Did you have anything
to do with her murder?
727
00:41:02,026 --> 00:41:03,776
Jarecki: Why were you bald?
728
00:41:03,828 --> 00:41:06,779
Durst: I was on the lam.
I was trying to disguise myself,
729
00:41:06,831 --> 00:41:08,414
and that worked real good.
730
00:41:10,368 --> 00:41:12,752
Jarecki: Did you shave
your eyebrows?
731
00:41:12,787 --> 00:41:15,371
- Everything.
- Jarecki: Why?
732
00:41:15,423 --> 00:41:17,590
It looks more like a...
Less like me.
733
00:41:17,625 --> 00:41:19,792
You, you look like a...
You look weird
734
00:41:19,844 --> 00:41:23,463
with your eyebrows shaved
in addition to your head.
735
00:41:23,515 --> 00:41:25,348
And that was intentional?
736
00:41:25,383 --> 00:41:28,957
Yeah! How do you accidentally
shave your eyebrows?
737
00:41:29,295 --> 00:41:33,053
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