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April 12th, 2023
Six Months Since Michael's Acquittal

During the gag order,
I couldn't talk to Michael at all.

So once the gag order was lifted,

he reached out
and said he wanted to talk.

It's been years since I talked to him.

I'm like, ok, I'll hear him out because,
you know, I had a lot of questions.

I have a lot of questions.
Let's see what he has to say.

I feel like I have to do this.
I feel like I am compelled to do this.

You know, I feel like
I have to finish this.

I just want everybody to be happy
and heal and live their lives.

I'm not here to lie. I'm not here
to hide. I'm not here to scream.

I'm not here to coerce.

But in the end a bad guy wouldn't be
here today doing this.

I am not a bad guy.

How are you feeling?

I am nervous because you know
I haven't seen him in years

and I haven't talked to him in years.

Like, literally,
I'm just going to tell him like,

'Yeah, you didn't personally do anything

"like, you didn't beat me
or nothing like that

"but you were still there.
You saw it, so in a way, you did too."

He's seen me in the corner, never
once tried to get me out or anything.

Like I said, he had just as much
rights over me as Kristine did.

- He coulda did something.
- Absolutely. Yeah, he could've.

So this is, this is exactly everything
you're saying to me right now

is what I want you to go in there
and say to him.

He failed to protect.

He's here to answer those questions.

He's here to do what should've
been done a long time ago

and then we wouldn't be
in this situation where, you know-

The re aging shouldn't've even
happened.

I shouldn't've.. yeah exactly.

These are things that, you know,
I want you to remember to say.

Because he needs to know.
He's guilty, he knows he's guilty.

At the end of the day,
he knows he's guilty.

Right.

You need to tell him that you're mad
because I'm mad. I'm angry.

Let him squirm right there
in that interview, let him squirm.

You're going into this interview
with your daughter.

How do you feel about that?

Last night, very strange,
felt the same way

as the night before I was going
to meet Natalia for the first time

and adopt Natalia for the first time.

There's that exact same little flutter
of apprehension

because I don't know what
they're gonna be thinking,

I don't know what
they're gonna be saying,

I don't know what
they're gonna be acting like,

but there's this bond that's
in there between they and I.

It feels like the night before

where I don't know any of
what's about to happen.

Is it something you feel like
you have to do?

I feel like I'm compelled to.
I'm not, it's not a have to.

No one's pointing a gun at me saying,
you must do this.

But this needs to be done.

It needs to be done mainly, honestly,
from her point of view first.

It needs to be done
from my point of view.

There are a lot of blanks between she
and I that we can fill in for each other.

Okay.

One thing I just always thought about,
did you know I was a kid?

And if you did, did you think twice about
how that would affect me?

Being 7, 8 years old?

- Yeah.
- There's so much hurt from that.

I had to grow up when I should've been
able to be a kid.

I don't want you
to hold back in there.

I want you to say it and feel exactly
the way you feel about it.

You need to let him know.

I want you to show him
how this has affected your life!

I want him to know because--

Everything from not getting an education

to people telling you that you
20 something years old

when you're only 8, 7 and a half old.

No. That stuff you need
to make sure you're telling him that.

And I mean really telling him that.

All that soft spoken,
no, talk to him with authority.

Let him know how you feel.
Look him in the eye.

And if you gotta raise your voice,
raise your voice.

So make sure that you say it

and don't worry about whether
it should be said or not said,

it should be said.

Because what happened to you
is completely unfair

and should never
happen to any child.

Oh jeez.

Bishop Antwon Mans
NATALIA'S GUARDIAN

- Let's get ready to let God have his way.
- Amen.

This is it. We here.

God take you to it,
he gonna take you through it.

That's right.

So I want you to go in there and say
everything that is on your heart.

Everything that you have suffered.

Everything that you have dealt with.

And it's ok to be angry.
Be confident, walk in that.

Because God's got you, I got you.

So I want you to go in there

and be not afraid.

Speak the truth.

Because that devil is a liar!

In the name of Jesus.

It was the weirdest moment
for reconciliation.

Everyone's there,

wanting to see these two family members
come back together after several years.

Michael is sitting there excited.

Well God let everything be purged today.

In the name of Jesus
and let the record be cleared up.

Because God's got the highest court
in the land. That's the truth.

Where we go, God is in control.

Antwon Mans, he begins to give
this impactful speech

indicating that this
was Natalia's moment,

that she should go in
and be on the attack.

That she should be confrontational.

It was as if he was giving the Al Pacino
speech in Any Given Sunday.

"Every inch is your inch.
Every mile is your mile."

I ain't got no fear.
It's gonna be holy around here.

"Go in there and get the truth."

That devil's a liar! A complete liar!

"Make him come to your will.
God is in control."

Where we go, God is in control.

It was unusual, to say the least.

We just ask god that you would continue
to shine a light upon this situation.

In Jesus name, amen.

Let's do this.

NATALIA SPEAKS

THE CURIOUS CASE
OF NATALIA GRACE

- Hi sir, how are you?
- How we doing?

Ok.

- Hi.
- Hi.

Why are we here, Michael?

Why are we here? That's, that's...
If you're talking philosophically,

I can't even say the word right,

that's probably something more
for the Bishop over here

but why are we here...

No, like I want to know why did you
adopt me in the first place?

Why?!

My name is Brandon Davenport,
a Detective with Indiana State Police

and the primary investigator
for the Natalia Barnett case.

Everybody that gets involved
in this investigation

always start out as,
"Man it's a really crazy story."

I was first contacted in 2019 by a doctor

that had reported a child
that came to their facility.

And the documents didn't really add up
to exactly who they were talking to.

She was living with the Mans family
at the time.

This girl who had dwarfism
and her ID card, even if it was expired,

was saying she was an adult
when she was clearly a child.

Natalia deserves her story to be told.
Truthfully.

Natalia deserves justice.

But I don't know if justice means that,
you know, anybody goes to jail.

That's not my place. I'm an investigator
and I just put the facts together.

And it's really a very unfair thing
that's happened.

The lies that were pushed onto her,

the world should know that it's not true,
she's was a child.

When it comes to the Barnett's,
let's talk about their motive.

If you're saying that somebody that has
money and power and influence

and then pretends to be like everything
is picture perfect

if they're more than likely to get
away with something.

There's always that possibility.

I really think that every child has a
brilliant potential inside of them.

And I've been working with
many many children, not just Jacob.

And in each one of them,
I see this little spark.

Michael alleged that Kristine thought
she had turned Jacob into a genius.

And so by adopting a special needs child,

she could show that
she could do this again.

And he alleged that when that didn't turn
out just the way that Kristine wanted,

that's why Natalia didn't really fit
into Kristine's narrative.

Kristine was writing a book,
which was ultimately called The Spark,

about the academic success
of her oldest son, Jacob.

So here's the timeline regarding
the book:

The Barnetts adopt Natalia in 2010.

Kristine signs a book deal in 2011
and the book is published in 2013.

So this whole time that Natalia
is part of the Barnett household,

Kristine is really working hard
to maintain her image.

Now look, we know Kristine was no
stranger to making money off her kids.

She has made a ton off of Jacob.

In 2009, Jacob's Place, the daycare
center that Kristine and Michael ran,

made over $100,000.

With The Spark, she made at least
a half million dollars

just on the book deal
and then there were donations.

That's enough to build an empire.

There was also a movie deal
in the works.

Rosamund Pike was supposed
to play Kristine.

Kristine had a web presence
of some kind

where she was influencing people
to pay her amounts of money

to have a phone call with her
and get some help.

Kristine's organization was
pretty successful very early on.

She boasted to a friend
about a 60,000 dollar loan

and a non-refundable 35,000 dollar
payment she received.

COURT DEPOSITION
Michael Barnett, March 20, 2023

Do you know how much money Kristine
Barnett made off the sale of her book?

The advance on the book
was $600,000.

I have no knowledge
of any residuals after the fact

because we got divorced
very soon thereafter.

And that $600,000 that she got,

did she keep that money or did a portion
of that go toward family funds?

That's hers.

I was to support the family,
anything she made was for her.

This book that she wrote,

there's a fraction of the earnings
which were supposed to go to her

and 'cause of the, like, I'm a pretty big
subject of the book,

like, I mean, I'm on the cover, so, like
there was a fraction of the money

that was supposed to go to me.

And so she was, you know,
trusted with...

with making sure that that money
was spent appropriately.

And, you know, it was spent, right,
I didn't get a cent of it.

It's on the order of $200,000 that was
supposed to go to me but didn't.

She left him with about 5 bucks.

To his words, she left me enough money
to get a cup of coffee.

Who does that?

If I were to write a book about my child

and there was a large check
that was sent to me

and it was sent with a promise that
a fraction of it would go to the child,

I would absolutely save it for them

and I'd find, part of the criteria
for existence

is I need to be able
to sustain myself.

I asked her about it and then she sort of,
she came at me with the excuse of

"Oh, I used that money so that
you could go to school in Canada."

And at that point I just hung up on her.

Kristine said that adopting me
was this mission of love.

And never once did I see any love.

I feel like it was a mission of, like,
boosting her ego type of thing.

I feel like she just wanted people
to be like "Oh my goodness,"

like, "She's this amazing person,

"she just adopted a little girl from
the Ukraine who has dwarfism

"and has all these different medical
issues and everything like that.

"You know, she's a great mom for
wanting to help somebody, right? "

In 2019,
years after she got rid of Natalia,

Kristine is reaching out
to numerous people,

soliciting donations to support
"The International Campaign

"to End the Use of Seclusion, Restraint,
Physical and Verbal Abuse

"of Children with Disabilities".

Something doesn't sound right here.

She's even asking Freddie Gill
for his help

because of his status as a "leader"
in the community.

Kristine Barnett was acting like
she was an amazing person,

she would send me text messages,

she's inviting me to join the campaign

to end the Physical and Verbal Abuse
of Children with Disabilities.

What?

So it was like a mask.

Like just put on a mask, have this really
nice smile, this I'm a great mom,

but, and then it's like pull that mask
off, this is who she really is,

like, your true colors.

Kristine was a monster. I didn't know
what she was gonna do next.

Based upon Kristine's actions,

it certainly appears that she had
big plans for Natalia.

She wanted her to be the next Spark.

Kristine is going to use Natalia's
physical disability

to make money as well
as her mental faculties.

Maybe she's a genius like Jacob.

'Cause Kristine made
a lot of money off of Jacob.

And now it's Natalia's turn.

- Hi Natalia.
- Hi.

When I was first adopted by the Barnetts,

I really thought that
they were gonna be my family.

I really wanted a dad and a mom
that actually accepts my disabilities

and loves me as their daughter.

I used to, like, watch a lot of TV shows

where a mom and her daughter
were very close.

I thought that Kristine was gonna be
the mom that I always wanted.

When I first got to the Barnett's house,

I remember that Kristine and Michael had
both showed me around

and then they took me to my room
where there was like this big doll house

and this princess bed
and everything like that.

They showed me my closet, which
was a walk-in closet, I was like whoa.

And they even, like, they lowered
the shelves and everything for me

so I could be able to get my clothes.

You know, I was just so happy.

There was a park right across the street.

We would hang out,
we would play games and everything.

It was so much fun.

And I was going to school,
I was in first grade.

I was so excited

because I wanted to go to school
for as long as I could remember.

I loved my classmates,
I loved my friends.

And, like, I loved
my first grade teacher.

The Barnetts pushed this philosophy
that Natalia is really, really smart,

reading these advanced books.

I, you know, listen, as an investigator, I
don't go by some whimsical information,

you know, I wanna know.

I'm gonna ask those,
I'm gonna ask those questions.

- Hey, how are you?
- Good, how are you?

I'm not doing too bad.

So you worked at Elementary School

during the same time
that Natalia Barnett was there.

Yes.

Kristine brought it to your attention

that they were questioning
how old Natalia was.

Did you ever question
Natalia's age or?

She acted like she belonged

so I pretty much taught her like
she was supposed to be in first grade.

She wasn't reading chapter books
or doing crazy math problems.

Is she a prodigy?
I mean is she a stand out student?

Is she so smart
that she shouldn't be there?

No.

The underground springs in the windows
of heaven were thrown open.

I was over there one day and Kris just
looked at Natalia and she said

"Can you read" and she said "Of course
I can read, I'm not stupid".

And this is not a little girl's voice.

And so Kris gave her
a Cosmopolitan magazine.

Put it down in front of her,
opened to an article,

and Natalia started reading it
as well as you or I could.

How does someone that's 6
read a Cosmo magazine?

Natalia being able to read
an article out of Cosmo?

I mean how many times did she read
that article before she recorded her?

People can make a video look
however they want it to make look.

But the question then becomes why?

We're talking about a little girl's life
that got changed forever

because certain statements were made.

She was reading an advanced book.
Well here's what I do know.

Gateway Woods, you know, who gets
medical records from Boston hospital,

also identified that Natalia's abilities
or aptitude

were very, very similar
to the age that we believe she is.

The school,
I talked to the officials there,

I talked to the teachers
and they love this kid.

And they said, I mean, she may have
been able to handle second grade

but we felt first grade
was more appropriate.

Kristine could be pretty spicy.

We heard reports
that were concerning to us

about how Natalia's parents
interacted with her.

They sounded like they were mean
to her, honestly.

And so if we ever brought anything like
that up with Kristine, she just flipped.

Kristine was like,
"I'm taking you out of school."

She took my friends out of my life.
Literally just cut 'em off,

I didn't even get a chance to say goodbye
to any of my friends from school.

Nobody.

I didn't understand that my whole life
was being controlled

on who I talked to and everything...

I didn't understand why really
I got taken out of school.

All I was told was because
they were getting phone calls

and I was hurting people
with my wheelchair,

running 'em over and everything.

No I wasn't.

Kristine took Natalia out of school to
homeschool her at "Barnett Academy".

This is the same place where Jacob's
transcript says that he was educated,

at "Barnett Academy".

And Michael filed a police report,
alleging fraud

because Kristine passed him in Japanese
and he couldn't speak it

and gave him in A in making spaghetti.

I met with Michael Barnett

and, you know, I didn't approach him with
the expectation I was gonna arrest him.

You know, I was investigating
this particular issue.

He coulda stopped the conversation

but I think he had a lot
that he wanted to resolve also.

Kristine faked Jacob's high school
transcript. Arabic. A+.

There's not even a single book
in this house with an Arabic word in it.

Yeah, Jacob's that smart.
But you can't just do that!

That kid got four years of fine arts
piano A pluses.

We didn't own a fucking piano!

This transcript was pretty ridiculous,
however Jacob was a genius.

Natalia was not a genius.
But that doesn't matter,

Kristine was trying to pass off Natalia as
being able to perform academic skills

that she didn't have.

According to Kristine, Natalia could even
pass a GED if given the test.

Kristine thought she had turned Jacob
into a genius.

She saved him when no one else could.

And, according to what Michael said,

that's what Kristine planned
to do with Natalia.

But the problem was that Natalia
didn't fit into the narrative.

I was only, like, 6 or 7 years old

and Kristine tried to give me
a physics paper

and I'm like,
I don't know what I'm doing.

Like I don't, like what is this?

And she's like, I know you know this
and you're gonna do it.

And then she walked away.

But I was stuck.

And I guess she just got so mad

because I was telling her,
"I don't know this."

And she pepper sprayed me.
Right in the face.

She's like, that's what it's gonna feel
like every time that you don't listen.

I started rubbing my eyes,

she's like, don't do that,
it's just gonna make it worse.

And she literally would not let me wash it
off or anything. She wouldn't help me.

All I know is that I want to get this off
my eyes, this hurts!

She didn't care that she
just pepper sprayed me.

She doesn't care that
I was crying because it hurts.

She literally did it for not knowing high
school math. I'm getting pepper sprayed.

I was 7 years old,
I was supposed to be in first grade.

And she took me out of first grade.

All I knew was how to be scared.

That was my normal.

But everything
was just about to get even worse.

Within 7 months of adopting Natalia,

Kristine realized Natalia
was an average student,

she wasn't the genius that Jacob was.

So Kristine's plan is failing big time,
and Natalia is a money pit.

Because she needs a lot of surgery
for her medical problems.

Ever since I was really little,
I've needed surgeries.

I was with the Barnetts for just a little
while, when I had my surgery on my feet.

We had had her for 6 months,
her feet were locked in place,

her Achilies need to be, I think,
cut and loosened

so she could move her foot around.

The only thing I remember mostly
is just going into like a surgery room

because there's like all light and then
getting two shots in my arms and I'm out.

And then next thing I know
I have casts on my feet.

When I had my surgery,
there was a lot of rough nights with that.

And I remember being in so much pain,

so I have to take pain medicine
or else I can't get rid of it.

And I always called Kristine
because, you know, she's my mom,

you know, moms are supposed
to be able to take care of their kids.

Michael was actually the one that gave
me my medicine, and then he left.

And I was able to go back to sleep
after that.

I started thinking

if maybe Kristine and Michael just didn't
want to take care of me

when they found out how
many surgeries I needed.

And the fact that it would have been a
long recovery process with all of them

and like maybe she felt like she was
going to be stuck

instead of being to go out there and,
like, show off her son.

I mean everybody that we know that
has diastrophic dysplasia

has usually a group of surgeries,
probably close to around 5 years old.

Actually sooner as a baby
with the club feet.

It was clear to them

that she needed lots
of surgeries to her lower extremities

to straighten them.

The Barnetts gave her
a surgery on her ankle.

But one surgery on her ankle is like a
drop in the bucket for what we need.

And, you know,
every single thing costs money.

Maybe that's part of the problem
with the Barnetts

because all of a sudden
they start having problems?

Are you surprised? I'm not.

Like literally, my feet, this one, the way
my feet are shaped and the way I walk,

especially with my right foot, it twists.

So it would literally be like scraping
the bottom part of the shoe,

and that's why I've had to get
special made shoes

because I can't wear normal shoes.

They're at least like $30,000.

These are my second pair.
They last for a pretty long time.

I actually had to get these patched up
because of how much I use them.

Every doctor I see, they're like

"Okay we're going have to do a special
made this or special made that."

I'm like, everything I need has
to be special made.

COURT DEPOSITION
Michael Barnett, March 20, 2023

Were you ever specifically told
by the adoption agency

that Natalia may require surgery?

By the adoption agency? No sir.

You know, I guess, like, in a sense, they
did kind of cause the pain that I have now

because I couldn't get my surgeries

because the doctors
didn't know what to do.

Like there was just no way,
like they told me,

we don't know if we should treat you
as a kid or do treatment as an adult.

Like, we don't know.

I'm Veronica Maxwell.
I'm a retired FBI agent.

I served for 28 years in the agency
and investigated terrorism,

counter intelligence, organized crime,
drugs, and crimes against children,

where I was exposed to scenarios

not unlike some of the aspects
of Natalia Barnett.

Dealing with cases regarding minors,

I believe I am a very
compassionate person

and I always ran toward the danger.

It was my job to go
and hunt down the truth.

The Natalia case intrigues me

because you have this person
who's extremely fragile

and it's so complicated,
it involves travel from other countries,

it involves numerous adults.

It sounds like there
may have been a point

when the Barnetts realized that Natalia
was... was starting to be a burden.

Kristine Barnett was a person
who needed to achieve her goal,

with respect to her children
and how other people view her

and maintain a certain reputation,
and she wasn't going to back down.

And this child is really
in her way right now.

Kristine just started going off
everyday about something.

That's literally how it felt

because, everytime Kristine came,
she was yelling at me about something.

It felt like the littlest stuff I did,

was gonna turn into something crazy
when it shouldn't have.

And then that's when she started saying
that I took stuff from the boys

because they couldn't find, like,
two books and some cars?

Michael Barnett Interview
NATALIA'S ADOPTIVE FATHER

October 3, 2019

Natalia would find things that were
important to them, like a Hot Wheel car.

She'd hide them.
She'd wait to be crossing the street.

She would throw them into the street
and make sure the boys saw it,

so they'd run into traffic,
so they'd be run over.

I didn't take anything.

I told Kristine I didn't take any of their
stuff and she just told me I was lying.

I was not there when she threw
some of the kids toys.

I heard about that from the boys.
Not just from Kris.

I did hear that story from the boys.
The boys shared that with me.

She treated the boys
like they were her sons,

she treated them
like a normal mom would.

But with me, it was like...

It was like I always did something wrong.

I was 7 years old
and I was just trying to be a normal kid.

And it was like, in Kristine's eyes, I was
doing something wrong every step I took.

Honestly, I don't even remember
if she even said "I love you" to me.

Kristine and Natalia are not bonding.
They don't like each other.

And Natalia is going to cost Krisitne

what seems to be the one thing
she cares about most; money.

I do believe that the Barnetts probably
did want me in the beginning.

But I think like,
once they actually seen me,

and they seen my disabilities,

I think it kind of was just like, well
maybe like we can't, like maybe we can't.

But the thing is though,
if you felt like you couldn't,

why didn't you send me back

or maybe even try to find somebody
that did want me

and maybe I could have been
in a safer place.

Instead of trying to feel like
"Oh we gotta keep this reputation,

"this is a little girl with dwarfism who
has so many special needs, though.

"We gotta keep her just so that way
people won't be like

"hey why did you send her back?"

But I think it was because they were just
trying to keep a good reputation.

Kristine's plan is failing. Not only is
Natalia not a genius but she costs a lot.

In fact she's a financial drain
on Kristine.

She's not a genius,
she's not the next Spark.

Kristine wants to get rid of Natalia.

But we also know

she's made a half a million dollars on her
image as supermom,

so how is she supposed
to get rid of this child she adopted

who's disabled
and still preserve her image?

And so it seems like Natalia
is now the invisible daughter

and Kristine is trying to erase her
from the family.

The Spark was being written
and published

while Natalia was part of the family.

The initial drafts talked about
the family's adoption of Natalia.

But the final book, the ghost writer,
Laura Tucker, she was told

to take all mentions of adoption, dwarf
or dwarfism, and Natalia out of the book.

The final book does not mention
Natalia in any way shape or form.

I do believe that Kristine did try
to hide me from the world.

One time we went to the park across
the street.

She would put me in a stroller
and she would have a blanket over me.

And the boys got to go play
and everything like that.

I was stuck in a stroller.

Someone came by and was like,
"Does she go out and play?"

"Oh no she's sleeping."

When I'm like wide awake. I'm hearing
everything, wanting to go play.

She's literally lying to people saying,
"Oh, she's sleeping."

She didn't want people to know
that I existed.

I feel like I was this problem child.

She just like flat out hated me.

I do not believe Kristine should have that
title of world's greatest mom.

Because she was never the world's
greatest mom to me.

I saw a difference in Kristine
with Natalia.

Her pride that she had for her boys

wasn't the same pride
that she had for her.

I almost feel like she was locking herself
in the house with Natalia,

trying to fix her,
make her what Kristine wanted

and Natalia's a stubborn girl.

It seems at this point, Krisitne cannot
admit that she's a failure as a parent.

Kristine was hellbent on protecting
her brand and her business.

And when one plan failed,
she concocted another one.

That's how her mind worked.

Kristine turned Natalia into a puppet
she could control.

She needed complete control over
everything that Natalia said and did.

I don't remember exactly

when Kristine started trying
to make me look like an adult.

She just started telling me
"You're older than what you're saying".

I didn't understand what that meant.

And then she was like,
"You need to start saying that you're 22."

I didn't understand why she wanted me
to tell people I was 22.

The Barnetts were looking for a
disabled child to groom a certain way.

Kristine Barnett appeared to be

the primary motivator of the plan
to get rid of Natalia.

Natalia in fact was going to perpetuate
the idea that she's older,

at the age where she could live
independently.

This is the best scenario that Kristine
Barnett could come up with

and save face.

I have seen a lot of people trying
to brainwash their child,

to speak their lies for them,

to create the illusion
that something is real

when in fact it's just a made up story.

And the child becomes that story,
that fake story.

Kristine Barnett wants her daughter
talking about herself as a 22 year old,

she wants the doctors to hear it,

she wants all the authorities to hear
the story that she's come up with.

And she was going to do whatever
it took to break Natalia down.

And she really had to employ
drastic measures.

Everybody thought Kristine
was this amazing mom

who loved having special needs kids,
who loved helping people and everything.

But they don't know
what Kristine actually did.

Kristine was the one that beat me.

Michael watched me get beaten.

He said, three times he watched me
get beat and didn't do anything.

Why would you...

April 12th, 2023

Why are we here, Michael?

Why are we here? That's, that's...

If you're talking philosophically--

No, like I want to know why did you
adopt me in the first place?

Why?!

Many of these questions, there's not
going to be a single answer to.

Look, I've learned recently you and I
had the same monster. Kristine.

And we are here

because we both were incredible victims

of an other-worldly type of abuse.

OK, first, I'm going to say
please don't cuss.

I'll do my best. I speak in a certain way.
I'll do my best.

Second, what do you mean by
"you were a victim"?

Oh God,
this is all stuff you don't know.

Well, do you want to elaborate?

Yeah, I do. You want
to give me time to do it?

This is not easy.

I had the same monster you did.

I was exceptionally controlled
and put down and threatened.

Was minimalized, anything that was
who I was, was ripped from me

and I was guided and instructed to be
exactly what she wanted me to be.

What do you mean by threatened?

Her favorite threat was taking
the boys away from me

and making sure I would
never see them ever again.

- Why didn't you leave?
- That's the best question ever.

I tried.

And this is, these answers aren't going
to be what you're looking for to a degree

but I tried to leave her no less
than ten times.

I ended up in the hospital
regularly over it.

- Why did you marry her?
- That's a hell of a question.

Before you do that,
let's respect God in this place.

- I'm sorry?
- Let's not use curse words.

I know you probably, you talk like this
on a regular basis maybe

but we try to keep a clean environment.

- This is really hard.
- Michael, stop talking.

We'll respect everyone's boundary.

No more that you ask Michael
not to be himself,

I will not ask you not to be
a Christian today.

That sounds crazy, right? Don't be a
Christian. See you can't impose your...

I don't want to have fights.

I'm done. No, no that was it.

I tried, I tried, I tried, I tried!

I tried and I tried and I tried to get rid
of that monster and that beast!

I'm trying to talk through everything
and fix this!

- Let me talk to you.
- No, no, no, no!

Hold on a sec. Let me talk to you.
Come here for a second.

- No! I keep trying to fill in the blanks!
- Let me speak to you for a second.

Michael.

Hold on, hold on, let him do that.
Let him do that. I got it, I got it.

Michael, come here for a second, man.
I'm not here to degrade you.

Hey, come here. I'm not here--

There is no god!
God would not do to me what happened!

Leave me alone!

So listen to me.

If there was a God,
he would've let me die!

He would've let me die!

He don't want you to die
because he loves you.

All I wanted was just to talk to him.

Ask my questions.

God loves you-

Please get away from me! I would like
you to get away from me!

- Step away from me!
- Alright, alright.

He shouldn't have talked
to my dad that way.

All my dad asked was that he didn't cuss.

Just have some respect!

My dad has the right to ask that!

Just like I do!

I don't understand!

We're not gonna put up with no spirits
up in this house, though. Period.

Where we go, God's in control.