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The following program deals
with themes of abuse
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and contains material that cold be
disturbing for some viewers.
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It is intended for mature audiences.
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IN MAY OF 2023, THE STORY
OF A UKRANIAN ORPHAN
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TOOK THE WORLD BY STORM
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A child from Ukraine who was adopted
by a married couple here in the US.
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What happens after that will make
your head burst into flame.
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Is this a child or a grown woman?
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Bruh, this documentary
is unhinged as hell.
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It's called The Curious Case
of Natalia Grace.
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The Curious Case of Natalia Grace.
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It is shocking.
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More than 10 million people watched.
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I have never watched
a documentary this good.
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This story captured
the imagination of the world.
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Oh my God. I'm blown away.
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I am shooketh.
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She was gonna kill everybody.
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She's evil.
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You've adopted a kid
and now they're trying to kill you,
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I mean, it's the stuff
of a horror movie, right?
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Like a serial killer or something.
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There was a mention of her doing
sexual favors for money.
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Kristine tried to set me up with Natalia.
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She was an adult.
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Natalia was a child.
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Is it true? Is it not? We don't know.
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I am charged with two counts
of child neglect. Is that correct?
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Definitely not an area of town
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that I would let my kids walk
around unattended.
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He's not the kind of guy that could
do well if he had to go to prison.
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I couldn't. I just couldn't.
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What a creepy guy,
who does that with his daughter?
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Eight months later,
the world is unified in one thing.
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They want to hear from Natalia.
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We don't know that there's 100%
one villain here.
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There were all these pieces to a puzzle
that we couldn't quite put together.
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Natalia was a victim.
The Barnetts are the predators.
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Kristine trying to beat the truth out of her.
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And that was what broke
my heart the most.
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Did you want to hurt them?
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It's all gonna come to light.
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NOW NATALIA SHARES
HER SIDE OF THE STORY...
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Just when you think you have it solved,
you find out you don't.
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The story just got crazier.
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You might not like the truth.
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NATALIA REVEALS NEVER
BEFORE HEARD DETAILS
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The Barnetts tried to paint me
as this big monster.
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They claimed I'm lying about my age.
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I was six years old
when they adopted me.
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But the Barnetts did a petition to change
my age to 22 years old.
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I literally lost my childhood.
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When the verdict was handed
down for Michael,
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and they said not guilty,
and he looked at us and he smirked.
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It was like watching
my daughter be raped.
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There was no justice served.
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I could've caught Kristine in an alley
and put a black hoodie on,
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I would've busted her upside the head.
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NEW VOICES
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There are things I'm going to tell you
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that you have not heard
from anyone else yet.
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Michael and Kristine are cowards.
They're heartless cowards.
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That's not love. That's hate.
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NEW THEORIES
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Sometimes the truth
is crazier than fiction.
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She knew that she couldn't
"give the kid back."
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She's a little girl. She's not a car.
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NEW ANSWERS
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Many of these questions, there's not
going to be a single answer to.
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There's gonna be a lot of answers to.
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What I am about to show you will be
definitive as to how old Natalia was.
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Her DNA has all the answers.
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I was never in y'alls room with a knife.
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I know what I saw.
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In every lie is a hidden truth. But you
gotta dig enough to be able to see it.
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They're not gonna get away with this.
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This is my side of the story.
Do I look like a monster to you?
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NATALIA SPEAKS
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THE CURIOUS CASE
OF NATALIA GRACE
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APRIL 4, 2023
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There's been so much time that I've
been just trying to figure out who I am.
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I have no idea.
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Because right now
this is like a 1000 piece puzzle
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and I think I have, like,
maybe only 300 pieces together.
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I want you to know how old I am.
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I want you to know about my past
because I wanna know too.
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It's very fuzzy, like there's a lot
of things that I remember
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but, like, I can't picture it.
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So I want the puzzle to be complete.
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But the things that Kristine and Michael
said that I've done is a lie.
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It was all copied
off the movie "Orphan".
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Ukrainian girl, Russian girl, check.
Orphan, check. All this crazy stuff.
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Standing at the end of the bed
with a knife, check.
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That's why I wanna do this.
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That's why I wanna tell people
what really happened
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because I didn't get that chance.
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Michael and Kristine are painting me
as this homicidal maniac.
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She was eating her period
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and she hid it for this long
and having pubic hair at 7 years old
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like don't trust her,
don't believe anything she says,
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she tried to murder my family
and this, that, and a third.
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But then you gonna come into that
apartment that y'all dropped me off in
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and pretty much try to murder me.
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I just want people to know the truth.
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I'm Bishop Antwon Mans
and I am Natalia's dad.
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We started taking in children.
We wanted to adopt
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because there's a lot of children who
need a family who don't have a family.
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I'm Cynthia Mans. I love being a mom,
I have literally 11 children.
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And I'm Natalia Grace's mom.
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I've been with the Mans family
for over 10 years.
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You can see my life the way it is.
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- Lot of love, great.
- Thank you.
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I finally have parents that love me more
than Kristine and Michael ever did.
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My dad and my mom,
they let me be a kid.
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My dad protects me.
He does what a dad is supposed to do.
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My mom gives me hugs every day
and tells me how much she loves me.
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And never once had they had to worry
about me hurting their kids.
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I have siblings that love me, you can see
that they love me and that I love them.
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Hey, hey! Ow, jeez, hi! Hi!
Oh, hi, oh my gosh.
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She has been a light to our family.
She has brought so much joy.
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But when Natalia came into our family,
she was broken.
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The hardest work in the beginning
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was to get Natalia to recognize
that we're not gonna leave you.
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We're here no matter what happens.
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When it comes to the Barnetts,
they need to be brought to justice.
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It took barely two and a half hours
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for the jury to completely acquit
Michael Barnett,
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returning a verdict of not guilty for all
four counts against him in this case.
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- It might be over.
- Over well.
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While the state may have lost this round,
some say this was just a practice run.
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The real target is Kristine.
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Within weeks, a new prosecution team
evaluated the evidence against Kristine,
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basically the same evidence
plus Michael.
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He was subpoenaed to testify
against Kristine.
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And they concluded that they just don't
have a provable case against her.
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And so for Natalia,
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the quest to get the truth out there
about what really happened to her
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and what her real age was,
was doomed from the beginning.
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My name's Terrance Kinnard.
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I'm a criminal defense attorney here
in Indianapolis, Indiana.
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I've been representing Michael Barnett
for the better part of 5 years.
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And it has been an interesting journey.
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It's my opinion that
the prosecutor thought,
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"Hey, if we get a conviction for Michael,
it'll absolutely give us the ammunition
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"and help us get a conviction
against Kristine."
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They also believed
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that his animosity toward Kristine
was so deep and ingrained,
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his hatred was so powerful
that they could get him to turn
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and, you know, use him
as a states witness to convict her.
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But it didn't work.
The charges were dropped.
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And she's a free woman.
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Kristine got a complete pass.
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Kristine never had to answer
for her actions.
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And, if true, Kristine got away
with some pretty horrific things.
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I'm Beth Karas. I'm a former prosecutor in
New York City and also a legal analyst.
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In my experience, this is one of the
most twisted cases I've ever seen.
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This story is very different
from anything I've covered.
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Usually I'm doing stories that have to do
with murder and mayhem
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and this has no murder but it has a lot of
mayhem and a lot of it.
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I mean it's like ping pong, you're just
going from one direction to another
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as new information comes to light.
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Especially now that Natalia
is able to speak to us.
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And today it seems pretty clear
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that Natalia has the family
she's always wanted, the Mans.
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But that wasn't always the case.
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Because back in 2013,
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the Barnetts relocated Natalia to
Tippecanoe county as a re aged adult.
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So she's living there on her own.
At an adult learning center,
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Natalia gets the attention
of the faculty and staff
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because it's an adult learning
center but she's kinda child-like.
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So they call the police.
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This is what led the current sheriff of
Tippecanoe county, Bob Goldsmith,
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but then a detective, to get involved
in the investigation of Natalia.
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I'm Bob Goldsmith,
I'm the sheriff of Tippecanoe county.
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In our detective division,
I was the first detective involved.
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People talk about a case that's
kind of like a defining moment.
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The one they'll never forget.
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This is one of those cases.
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It was in September 2014
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when I received a phone call
from the Excel Center.
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And they said they had a young lady
that came in, was enrolled in school,
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and things just weren't adding up.
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She said this this young lady
has an Indiana ID
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that says she's like 22, 25 years old or
something like that, they said,
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but the conversation she has,
I think she was like maybe 11.
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I've been around people with special
needs throughout my career,
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but nobody like Natalia
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and when she walked in, her backpack
was bigger than she was
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and she was very, very short.
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And she climbed right up in the chair
and started talking.
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I asked her, "Do you think you're
25 years old"? And she said, "No."
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I remember we got in a car.
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We both have kids and we were just like,
there's no way she's that old.
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Some people have commented
that it's an act.
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What's your take on Natalia acting?
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In all the interactions that me
and you had with Natalia
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at the Excel Center, here,
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even watching her in the lobby,
she always acted like a little child.
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She played like a little child.
She talked like a little child.
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If she's acting, she never broke it
that we can see.
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I know at one point, I asked Natalia
if she had been abused.
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And she kind of closed up on me.
She quit talking. She got, she got silent.
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You can tell she was uncomfortable.
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I don't know if that's physical abuse,
sexual, I have no idea.
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But I wasn't going to pry.
I learned through the training
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and having interviewed several kids and
working these cases over the years,
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it's not going to do any good to pry.
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When a child's ready to tell their story,
they'll tell it. So I just left it alone.
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Knowing what I know,
I don't think justice had been served.
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But what I do believe is that Natalia's
in a place where she's happy now.
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And she feels safe and she feels loved.
And that's what she said she wanted.
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COURT DEPOSITION
Michael Barnett, March 20, 2023
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How old did you think Natalia was?
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No clue.
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- Did you think she was a child?
- No.
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Why did you think that?
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Because Natalia had been telling
everybody, therapists, doctors, us,
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that she was a grown up.
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It's true that I told everybody
that I'm 22 years old.
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But Kristine literally trained me to lie.
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That's what makes it worse, the
fact that it had to come from me
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and they can use that against me, like,
"Oh but you said it."
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"You said that you was 22 years old".
And then they changed my age.
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That whole thing was just a big chain
reaction from one lie.
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But people don't know what happened
in that house.
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They tortured me.
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I was abused.
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Kristine is the real monster.
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Michael is an accomplice to the monster
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because he went along
with everything that Kristine said.
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Who does that?
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Changing my age is the worst thing
that the Barnett's ever did to me.
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It hurts every single day.
But I was so terrified of Kristine.
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When she told me to tell people that I
was 22 years old, that's what I did.
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One time, Kristine told me, she's like,
236
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"I'm gonna show you
what it's going to feel like."
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If you do something wrong,
I'mma pepper spray you.
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Kristine told me to keep my eyes open
and then she just pepper sprayed me
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and I couldn't do anything about it.
240
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She literally made me sit there
for like 10 minutes
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until I could finally go and wash it out.
242
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And even then, it still hurt.
243
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And she didn't care.
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She didn't care.
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It just really hurt because
she was supposed to be my mom,
246
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but she didn't act like a mom to me.
247
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Kristine was going to push the envelope
248
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as far as she could to try
to break Natalia.
249
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So Kristine starts putting words
in Natalia's mouth.
250
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This is what you tell people,
this is what you say, you're 22.
251
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And the threat of being pepper sprayed
was just another control mechanism.
252
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The abuse against Natalia
didn't start immediately.
253
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But the Barnetts attempt
to control the narrative did.
254
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Michael Barnett Interview
NATALIA's ADOPTIVE FATHER
255
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October 3, 2019
256
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Looking back to 2010,
something just wasn't right.
257
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And you gotta understand,
with it being a closed adoption,
258
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the adoption agency was not willing
to share any details of her
259
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when we asked them originally,
260
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"Can you help give us contact
information for her old family,
261
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"we have got to find out
what's going on here."
262
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They said no we can't.
263
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Then I got a phone call
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from the secretary of the adoption
agency a little bit later that day
265
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and she said I can't tell you where she's
from, but check her luggage closer.
266
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There was a little ID tag inside of her
bag when we adopted her
267
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that had the original
family's information on it.
268
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I have never met them in person.
269
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I've no idea why they'd say
they've never met the Ciccones
270
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when they literally met them
at the adoption agency.
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I remember having to wait
for who knows how long
272
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while the Ciccone's talked
to the Barnetts.
273
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Like that's literally how I remember it,
like, plain as day.
274
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So I don't understand that.
275
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The Ciccones were the first family that
ever adopted me from the Ukraine.
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I remember finding out
that they were gonna adopt me
277
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and I was so excited because all I'd ever
known was being in that orphanage
278
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and then just to find out that
someone was gonna adopt me
279
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was just an awesome thing for me.
280
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Like I was so excited,
281
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I was happy that I was finally gonna have
a family that actually wanted me.
282
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When we finally, like, pulled up into
their big driveway, like, it was a hill,
283
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I was just like whoa.
284
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Like I remember my 5 year old self being
so excited because it was a big house.
285
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Once we got in, I literally just,
like, looked everywhere.
286
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And then they opened a door and
through that door was my bedroom.
287
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And I was so excited, it was pink.
288
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And it was just, like,
there was everything in there.
289
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I was with them for about 2 years.
290
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But yeah, there was a lot
of good memories there.
291
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But then it was like after a while, like,
292
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everything kinda changed.
293
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One time, me and the little boy, Piro,
we were just playing.
294
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I landed on Piro's arm wrong.
295
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And I just kept saying "I'm sorry,
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to hurt you."
296
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But then Gary came in
and he just started yelling.
297
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And then, as he was walking away,
I was crying and I was mad.
298
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I said "I hate you."
299
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After that, Gary,
he didn't like me anymore,
300
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like that's what it felt like,
it felt like he hated me.
301
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:40,000
Then one day, I remember Diane
coming in my room.
302
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She told me, she was like
"I'm not gonna be your mom anymore,
303
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"but I will always love you."
304
00:20:48,279 --> 00:20:51,400
And, like, I didn't
know what was going on.
305
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I felt like I was abandoned
most of the time
306
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because I bounced around from so many
different families.
307
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Dyan Ciccone had gone to
the Little People of America
308
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and said this little girl
is available for adoption.
309
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There were three little people couples
interested in Natalia.
310
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But none of them worked out.
311
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Gary and Dyan they passed me around
from the families.
312
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And I met a bunch but they didn't want
to adopt me or something happened.
313
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And then all of a sudden she told me
that they found a family that wanted me.
314
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And that's where we were going.
We were going to Florida.
315
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It makes me mad because I pretty
much got sold! Like I'm some toy!
316
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When the Ciccone's took me
to the adoption agency,
317
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I remember being told to just sit outside
the room and just wait.
318
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And the Ciccone's went in first
319
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and talked to Michael and Kristine
and the three boys.
320
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I remember waiting for a while,
it felt like a long time.
321
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Finally, the Ciccones came out
and was like you can come in now.
322
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And I remember running up to Michael
and giving him a hug
323
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and I called him daddy '
324
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cause the Ciccones told me that Michael
and Kristine were gonna be my parents.
325
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Then I think it was Kristine who told me,
326
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she was like,
"We're gonna be your family now."
327
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And I remember still being very sad
and very confused.
328
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I believe I cried too.
329
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She was like it's okay.
330
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They acted like they wanted me
to be their daughter.
331
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So all I thought was just
"I found my family."
332
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They're going to love me.
333
00:22:54,839 --> 00:22:57,400
But thinking back on it,
334
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I think I trusted them too fast.
335
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My name is Jackie Starbuck.
336
00:23:13,079 --> 00:23:18,599
I was the lead deputy prosecutor
on the state versus Barnett cases.
337
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There are things I'm going to tell you
338
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that you probably have not heard
from anyone else yet
339
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that are part of the truth.
340
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:31,359
As we were conducting this investigation
and talking to witnesses,
341
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,680
it was clear that there
was something going on
342
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that was unusual,
to say the least.
343
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From the time
344
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that Natalia came to the Barnett's
in April of 2010,
345
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there continued to be a pattern of saying,
346
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,960
"Well, we don't know how old Natalia is.
We think she's this age.
347
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,000
"We think she's an adult."
348
00:23:56,079 --> 00:23:58,680
When in fact,
they had been told repeatedly
349
00:23:58,759 --> 00:24:03,319
by multiple medical professionals
that that wasn't the case.
350
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They were working to hide, really,
351
00:24:05,559 --> 00:24:07,680
that they ever had any connection
with Natalia,
352
00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:11,480
because they also claimed that
they didn't have any records at all
353
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,799
about Natalia's prior medical history.
354
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,559
And yet they were providing
to the school system medical records
355
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,640
from before she was with them.
356
00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:25,559
Michael lied when he said
he never met the Ciccone's
357
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,240
and he lied when he said
this was a closed adoption.
358
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,119
A closed adoption, by definition,
359
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:36,319
means no information about or contact
with the prior family.
360
00:24:38,319 --> 00:24:40,440
Not only do we have Natalia's account
361
00:24:40,519 --> 00:24:44,039
of the Ciccones and Barnetts meeting
at Adoption by Shepherd's Care,
362
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,319
but we have email exchanges between
the Barnett's and the Ciccones
363
00:24:50,519 --> 00:24:53,839
and these email exchanges included
364
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,599
the executive director
of Adoption by Shepherds Care.
365
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:03,359
They were talking to both families.
There are also signed contracts.
366
00:25:05,319 --> 00:25:08,920
And the Ciccones and Barnetts were
involved in a legal proceedings
367
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,119
within a few months of picking up
Natalia in Florida
368
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,720
because there were complications
with the adoption.
369
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:17,000
But for some reason,
Michael hid this fact.
370
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,240
And he led us to believe that
Adoption by Shepherd Care
371
00:25:24,319 --> 00:25:28,240
was the sole adoption agency
brokering the adoption of Natalia.
372
00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:30,000
But that's not true.
373
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We get this phone call out of the blue
from Adoption by Shepherd Care.
374
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,880
We get this phone call from
Adoption by Shepherd Care.
375
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,880
I have nobody to trust except
for the experts involved.
376
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,559
In this case, it's going to
be Adoption by Shepherd Care.
377
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,480
But Gateway Woods
was their adoption agency.
378
00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:51,480
But Michael never mentions
Gateway Woods. Why not?
379
00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:59,640
I remember after we left the adoption
agency, we went to Disney World
380
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,960
and I remember seeing the Ciccone's
and I remember pointing them out.
381
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:06,720
I was like, "Hey, it's Mom."
382
00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:11,759
And then Kristine was like, "That's not
your mom anymore. I'm your mom now."
383
00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:14,960
And I was like, I didn't really know
what to say to that.
384
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,920
I was worried, like, I hope I don't do
something wrong.
385
00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:21,359
We get to the hotel that night
386
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,559
and Kristine's going to give our brand
new daughter a bath.
387
00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:28,640
And I hear a shout from the bathroom.
388
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,559
And she says, "Michael, look down."
And Natalia had full pubic hair.
389
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,480
The first night, Kristine gave me a bath
390
00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:46,359
and she never mentioned anything to me
about pubic hair or anything like that.
391
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,160
Like, I didn't know what that even was,
392
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,720
like, nobody explained anything like that
to me. I was six, about to be seven.
393
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:58,160
Like, I didn't know. I don't know
why they said what they've said.
394
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,599
I don't remember Michael
ever coming into the bathroom.
395
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,759
Honestly I don't, like I just remember
Kristine as helping me get dressed
396
00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:09,039
and then we was getting ready
to go to bed.
397
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,039
I don't remember her calling Michael
or anything like that.
398
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,279
I don't remember Kristine doing
any of that.
399
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:16,839
I just don't understand
400
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:23,319
why the Barnetts would say that I have
pubic hair or anything like that
401
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,279
because literally I didn't start noticing
any hair
402
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,839
until I was like seven, almost eight.
403
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,039
But that doesn't mean
that I'm this big monster.
404
00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:37,039
I was still a kid.
405
00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:43,559
Look, some kids start early, you know,
that's just that's what happens.
406
00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:48,680
Regardless of what happened
in that hotel room,
407
00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:55,519
we do know that that event did not trigger
any desire on the part of the Barnetts
408
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,160
to return Natalia.
409
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:02,039
Was this horror story by the Barnetts
in a Florida hotel room
410
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,880
about massive amounts of pubic hair
really revisionist history
411
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,799
as justification for re-aging
her years later?
412
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,200
Now that Natalia is able to speak
to us, we have more information.
413
00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:19,960
And some of that information
414
00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:23,359
includes the Gateway Woods
reports on home visits
415
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,680
and Dr. Riggs' report.
We did not have these before.
416
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,920
And this is how we learned the fact
417
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:33,920
that the Barnett's were represented
by Gateway Woods
418
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,240
during the adoption of Natalia.
419
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,319
Natalia was seen by a Dr. Riggs,
an endocrinologist,
420
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,920
on June 3rd, 2010.
421
00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:48,000
What age was he saying
that Natalia was?
422
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:51,480
Okay, here we go, June the 3rd, 2010.
423
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,160
So at that time she was somewhere
between the ages of 9 and 11 years old.
424
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,160
And did you tell the parents this
directly?
425
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,480
Yes, oh yes. They were informed that.
We felt that she was a child.
426
00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:13,279
So this is, like, five weeks after she
enters the Barnett household.
427
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,480
They knew right away she was a child.
428
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,839
Michael had to distance himself
from Dr. Riggs and his report
429
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,640
because the doctor specifically told him
430
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,559
that Natalia was a
child between the ages of 9 and 11.
431
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,200
He also had to distance himself
from Gateway Woods
432
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:38,720
because Gateway Woods incorporated
this information in their report.
433
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,640
Is that why Michael led everyone
to believe
434
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,799
that Adoption by Shepherd's Care
was his agency?
435
00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:49,039
By leading others to believe
the adoption was closed,
436
00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:53,559
Michael guaranteed that few would
question his story about the adoption.
437
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,599
We know now that this is not true,
438
00:29:58,039 --> 00:29:59,920
but it made a great cover story.
439
00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:03,839
Everything could've been so different
for Natalia
440
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,319
if she had been adopted by one of the
families she met before the Barnetts.
441
00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:18,359
We're the DePauls.
442
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,799
As far as Natalia's age, she was a child.
443
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:35,599
We think the Barnett's should be in jail.
444
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:37,680
Both of them.
445
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,880
We attempted to adopt Natalia
back in 2009.
446
00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:49,519
We set up a private meeting, really,
at a museum, right?
447
00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:52,480
Her adoptive mother
at the time brought her.
448
00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:56,079
- She came in.
- What a cute kid.
449
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,559
- Oh my gosh.
- She was adorable. Absolutely.
450
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,480
We had Mackenzie already,
our daughter, and she was 4.
451
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,640
We actually have pictures of Mackenzie
and her on the scooter together.
452
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,480
They were just like long lost sisters.
453
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:11,000
Like two peas in a pod.
It was really nice.
454
00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:13,400
And we had two subsequent visits.
455
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,319
Halloween and they were both
princesses that year.
456
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,319
They got ready for bed together,
they did everything.
457
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,079
Helped each other blow dry their hair.
458
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,279
And then Mackenzie had a little car.
459
00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:26,599
Just an adorable 4 and 6 year old
playing in the yard.
460
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,359
We were hopeful that it was going
to move forward...
461
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,680
And I feel like a bomb got dropped
462
00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:37,000
and then we weren't able to see Natalia
again after the last visit over Christmas
463
00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:41,240
because things just got really messy
with the attorneys, you know,
464
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:44,880
it had nothing to do with Natalia.
It was heartbreaking.
465
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,079
It was very heartbreaking.
466
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,799
Very, very heartbreaking.
467
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:56,440
The bond between Natalia and
the DePaul's was deep and enduring.
468
00:31:56,839 --> 00:31:59,640
They loved her,
had no problems with her.
469
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,799
They wanted Natalia
to be a member of the family.
470
00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:05,640
I'm sorry, honey.
471
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:08,720
This should have worked out
with the DePauls
472
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:13,519
but things get complicated when Child
Protective Services in New Hampshire
473
00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:18,240
receive a report regarding Natalia
and the Ciccones.
474
00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:22,839
The Ciccones suspected
the DePauls filed that report.
475
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:24,839
The DePauls denied it
476
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,799
but it culminated in Natalia's adoption
being taken off the table.
477
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,160
She was no longer available
to the DePauls.
478
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,680
As you could imagine
479
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:37,559
this was heartbreaking for the DePauls
and their daughter Mackenzie
480
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,319
but also, it was heartbreaking
for Natalia.
481
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:47,440
The DePauls,
they were little people like me.
482
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:50,440
And I used to always go and visit them.
483
00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:53,519
I was there for Christmas,
484
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:56,160
Halloween,
485
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:01,160
and Makenzie and I were,
like, I felt like we were best friends.
486
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:06,359
I loved hanging out with her.
We did, like, almost everything together.
487
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:09,759
We're just like
what how sisters would be.
488
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,119
And I really did want to stay with the
DePaul's,
489
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,359
so I wouldn't have had to go through
the pain that I went through.
490
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,519
I felt like they actually wanted me
and they loved me.
491
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:28,319
But then it was just like I just stopped
seeing them. And I was sad about that.
492
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,839
I don't know.
It was just a really weird thing,
493
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,839
like I just stopped seeing
them altogether.
494
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,119
Yeah.
495
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:44,519
A few months later, Kristine messaged
me and she said we adopted Natalia.
496
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,000
The first red flag that I saw
with the Barnett family
497
00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:51,799
was they got Natalia way too quickly.
Never even met her.
498
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,240
And they just basically that was it.
They just ripped her out of the family.
499
00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:59,240
That was kind of shocking to us.
Should we make sure it's a good fit?
500
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:00,680
Should we make sure she likes us?
501
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:03,200
Should we make sure she's comfortable
with us and our other kids?
502
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:06,599
She's a little girl. She's not a car.
503
00:34:08,518 --> 00:34:13,960
Another thing that felt weird
was Kristine asked me, you know,
504
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:16,440
had you ever questioned Natalia's age.
505
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,320
I said I never once
questioned Natalia's age.
506
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,679
I said I have her birth certificate,
I have all of her paperwork.
507
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,760
- Do you remember this?
- Yeah.
508
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:32,920
This was at the museum when
we first met Natalia. It was in 2009.
509
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:37,440
And look at her tooth.
See? It's missing, right?
510
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:38,679
Yeah.
511
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:45,079
In this picture, you can see
the difference. See the teeth?
512
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,199
This one's from Halloween.
Can you see the teeth?
513
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,800
And then this one is before that.
514
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,360
You can tell the changes obviously
in her teeth here.
515
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:02,199
And adults don't have changes
in their teeth like that.
516
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,280
That happens only once in your life,
when you're around 6 years old,
517
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,559
exactly how old she is in 2009.
518
00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:11,519
Does that look like a 20 year old to you?
519
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:14,800
I mean, come on.
I'm sorry, but it's ludicrous.
520
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,079
I remember when I was with the Barnetts,
521
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:30,000
we had just got back from dinner
and my tooth came out.
522
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,920
I had a wiggly tooth
and my tooth came out.
523
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,320
'Course Kristine didn't believe me.
She said why'd you pull your tooth out?
524
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,760
I said I didn't pull my tooth out.
525
00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:45,239
And there was, like, a long piece, like,
I guess like, almost like the root of it.
526
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,800
And she's like, "See, the root
is right there. You pulled it out.
527
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,320
"That wouldn't be there if
your tooth actually fell out."
528
00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:57,880
And I didn't know what to say to that,
but I just kept telling her, no, I didn't.
529
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,840
I didn't pull my tooth out, it fell out.
But she just kept telling me,
530
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,920
"You're lying.
You pulled your tooth out. "
531
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:10,480
My name is Dr. Tim Gossweiler,
532
00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:15,679
I have been practicing general dentistry
for 34 years
533
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:21,800
and I am the dentist that Natalia Barnett
and her mother came to see in 2011.
534
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,440
Mrs. Barnett brought in Natalia
and was saying,
535
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:28,000
"We have a question as to how
old Natalia is."
536
00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:30,199
"We think she might be older
than what she says she is.
537
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,039
"Is there a way you can find out?"
Which is an unusual request.
538
00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:39,800
Talking to Natalia, she looked like
she was about seven,
539
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,079
but she acted like she was much older.
540
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:45,760
She was answering questions
articulately at 7 years old,
541
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,920
you just don't see that all the
time and that's why I thought,
542
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,679
"Well, this girl can't be
seven years old."
543
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,000
And I can see how Mom would think
that after talking to her
544
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:56,400
because she seemed very mature.
545
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:04,400
I did ask how do they know that she's not
6 or whatever when they got her.
546
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,559
She's like, well we had dental records
done on her
547
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:11,679
and the dentist said that none of
her teeth are baby teeth,
548
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,400
they're all adult teeth.
549
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,199
So I was like, okay. Okay.
550
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,719
This is the room where
we did Natalia's panoramic X-Ray.
551
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,320
So what I am about to show you
will be a definitive answer
552
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,000
as to how old Natalia was in 2011.
553
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:41,000
Now we determined that she had 12 baby
teeth remaining.
554
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,440
Three in each quadrant. These three
teeth right here in all the quadrants.
555
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,639
It's very simple to determine
Natalia's age.
556
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,079
I mean there's really no question
when you take an X-Ray like this.
557
00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:57,320
You got baby teeth, adult teeth
and there's a range that you have
558
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:02,239
for someone that's got this level of tooth
development and that's going to be...
559
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,320
I'll go to extremes,
six to nine years old.
560
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,679
This is way too many baby teeth
to be an adult. It's indisputable.
561
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,840
You can't fake teeth coming in like this.
562
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:21,000
So when mom and Natalia left, mom
knew that Natalia was around 8 or 9
563
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,480
which is right in the range
of what she said she was.
564
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:29,239
Doctor, did you know that her age
was changed in 2012?
565
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,800
Oh her age was chang...
they legally changed her age?
566
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,800
Oh they tried... Oh, I wasn't aware
of that. What was it changed to?
567
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,639
It was to 22. So her birthday
was changed to 1989.
568
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,440
Oh, really? Wow.
569
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,159
Yeah.
That's a big jump.
570
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:53,760
Nothing on the X-Ray that we took
571
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:58,280
would show that she could be
anywhere near 15 years older.
572
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,440
Wow, that seems crazy.
573
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,280
So that means that even after signing
the dental records,
574
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:10,840
Kristine still told people
that Natalia was an adult.
575
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,480
After the trial and everything,
576
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,880
all the records I have,
especially the medical records,
577
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,000
all points to me being a kid.
578
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,119
So I understand what the truth is.
579
00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:27,159
I've known the truth for as long
as I can remember, that I was a kid.
580
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:33,800
But there's a lot of people who are
thinking there is a way to tell her age.
581
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,159
There is a way to prove it.
582
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:43,800
I just want people to just really see
the truth about my age.
583
00:39:54,039 --> 00:39:57,280
At TruDiagnostics really we're answering
a fundamental question,
584
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,280
"How old are you?"
585
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,800
In fact they use this
in the insurance world
586
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,079
to predict when someone is going to die,
right?
587
00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:06,079
So if you think about that world,
this is super important to be accurate.
588
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,400
What we're trying to determine is
someone's chronological age
589
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,440
not based off of anyone's emotions
or what he said or she said.
590
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:15,760
For Natalia we're trying to figure out,
well how old is she?
591
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:22,920
- You ready?
- No.
592
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,639
We're really just taking a sample of blood
593
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,199
which has our answers
because it's in the DNA.
594
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:33,880
Once we get the sample,
595
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,440
we are very excited to really tie this
entire case together.
596
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,039
August, 14th, 2023
597
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:48,559
I'm praying for the best for this
598
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:51,639
but I'm really nervous.
599
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:52,960
Like I don't know what
they're gonna say.
600
00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:55,559
Thanks for coming to the lab.
601
00:40:55,639 --> 00:40:56,960
Want to take a look at the results?
602
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:57,960
Yes.
603
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:01,400
All right.
604
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,199
- So moment of truth. All right?
- Yes.
605
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,960
Based off of all the studies and
everything being analyzed,
606
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,119
you're more closer to 22.
607
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:18,920
Which is pretty close to what you think,
you're almost 20.
608
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:20,599
That's within two years.
609
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,840
This one little piece of paper
610
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:32,159
throws every single lie
that the Barnett's have said
611
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,119
right into the trash with a match.
612
00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:46,320
This is so big because literally
this has been 13 years,
613
00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:49,880
13 years of just two people lying
their butts off.
614
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:54,159
They ruined a kid's life.
615
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,519
They painted them as a big monster
when in reality they were the ones.
616
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:00,639
Exactly, right.
617
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:06,079
It just proves that I was
not lying about my age.
618
00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:10,719
They ignored everything that
was pointing to the truth
619
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,280
just so they could create this stupid lie.
620
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,880
So if all of that is true about her age,
621
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:34,800
that means Natalia came into the country
in 2008 when she was 4 almost 5.
622
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:38,920
Adopted by the Barnett's in 2010
when she was 7.
623
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,400
Natalia was 8 when the age change
petition was filed
624
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,840
and was placed in the apartment
in Westfield.
625
00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:51,199
In July of 2013 when she was placed
in the Lafayette apartment
626
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,719
she would've been 9
a few months shy of turning 10.
627
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,639
What that means is that Natalia
was a child living on her own.
628
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,519
I just want to know why create this story?
629
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,920
They knew and they still did
what they did.
630
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:30,760
Why do this? Why go through all of this?
For what? The question is, why?
631
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,239
That's the million dollar question.
632
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:39,000
I always knew I wasn't an adult
633
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,639
but I never knew why
the Barnett's adopted me.
634
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,440
Never once did I see any love.
635
00:43:49,199 --> 00:43:52,440
I feel like there
is something bigger with this.
636
00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:55,760
I don't know what it is.
How did they shut these doctors up?
637
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,039
How did they hide all this evidence?
638
00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:00,840
They are hiding something big.
639
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,360
I want to know the answers
to these questions
640
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,920
and I want people to pay for
what they've done.
641
00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:12,119
KRISTINE BARNETT
DID NOT RESPOND
642
00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:15,320
TO THE PRODUCER'S MULTIPLE
REQUESTS FOR COMMENT.
643
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,800
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