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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:02,439 The following program deals with themes of abuse 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:04,040 and contains material that cold be disturbing for some viewers. 3 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:05,320 It is intended for mature audiences. 4 00:00:10,439 --> 00:00:13,720 IN MAY OF 2023, THE STORY OF A UKRANIAN ORPHAN 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,000 TOOK THE WORLD BY STORM 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,920 A child from Ukraine who was adopted by a married couple here in the US. 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,600 What happens after that will make your head burst into flame. 8 00:00:22,679 --> 00:00:25,960 Is this a child or a grown woman? 9 00:00:26,039 --> 00:00:28,879 Bruh, this documentary is unhinged as hell. 10 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,160 It's called The Curious Case of Natalia Grace. 11 00:00:31,239 --> 00:00:33,399 The Curious Case of Natalia Grace. 12 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:34,520 It is shocking. 13 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,520 More than 10 million people watched. 14 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,119 I have never watched a documentary this good. 15 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,000 This story captured the imagination of the world. 16 00:00:43,079 --> 00:00:45,640 Oh my God. I'm blown away. 17 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,200 I am shooketh. 18 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:50,640 She was gonna kill everybody. 19 00:00:50,719 --> 00:00:51,719 She's evil. 20 00:00:51,799 --> 00:00:53,960 You've adopted a kid and now they're trying to kill you, 21 00:00:54,039 --> 00:00:55,840 I mean, it's the stuff of a horror movie, right? 22 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,520 Like a serial killer or something. 23 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,600 There was a mention of her doing sexual favors for money. 24 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,319 Kristine tried to set me up with Natalia. 25 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:07,680 She was an adult. 26 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:08,959 Natalia was a child. 27 00:01:09,039 --> 00:01:11,359 Is it true? Is it not? We don't know. 28 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,920 I am charged with two counts of child neglect. Is that correct? 29 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,120 Definitely not an area of town 30 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,519 that I would let my kids walk around unattended. 31 00:01:19,599 --> 00:01:22,879 He's not the kind of guy that could do well if he had to go to prison. 32 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,719 I couldn't. I just couldn't. 33 00:01:28,439 --> 00:01:32,239 What a creepy guy, who does that with his daughter? 34 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,840 Eight months later, the world is unified in one thing. 35 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:41,000 They want to hear from Natalia. 36 00:01:41,079 --> 00:01:43,878 We don't know that there's 100% one villain here. 37 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,560 There were all these pieces to a puzzle that we couldn't quite put together. 38 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,079 Natalia was a victim. The Barnetts are the predators. 39 00:01:50,439 --> 00:01:53,039 Kristine trying to beat the truth out of her. 40 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,598 And that was what broke my heart the most. 41 00:01:56,039 --> 00:01:57,519 Did you want to hurt them? 42 00:01:58,319 --> 00:02:00,040 It's all gonna come to light. 43 00:02:01,959 --> 00:02:04,560 NOW NATALIA SHARES HER SIDE OF THE STORY... 44 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,439 Just when you think you have it solved, you find out you don't. 45 00:02:07,519 --> 00:02:09,158 The story just got crazier. 46 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:10,680 You might not like the truth. 47 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,319 NATALIA REVEALS NEVER BEFORE HEARD DETAILS 48 00:02:21,719 --> 00:02:24,400 The Barnetts tried to paint me as this big monster. 49 00:02:25,319 --> 00:02:27,800 They claimed I'm lying about my age. 50 00:02:27,879 --> 00:02:30,599 I was six years old when they adopted me. 51 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,319 But the Barnetts did a petition to change my age to 22 years old. 52 00:02:35,039 --> 00:02:38,120 I literally lost my childhood. 53 00:02:38,478 --> 00:02:40,759 When the verdict was handed down for Michael, 54 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:45,840 and they said not guilty, and he looked at us and he smirked. 55 00:02:47,918 --> 00:02:51,159 It was like watching my daughter be raped. 56 00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:55,079 There was no justice served. 57 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,800 I could've caught Kristine in an alley and put a black hoodie on, 58 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:02,719 I would've busted her upside the head. 59 00:03:03,599 --> 00:03:05,520 NEW VOICES 60 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:07,039 There are things I'm going to tell you 61 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,680 that you have not heard from anyone else yet. 62 00:03:10,039 --> 00:03:13,560 Michael and Kristine are cowards. They're heartless cowards. 63 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,240 That's not love. That's hate. 64 00:03:15,319 --> 00:03:18,000 NEW THEORIES 65 00:03:18,079 --> 00:03:20,840 Sometimes the truth is crazier than fiction. 66 00:03:21,159 --> 00:03:24,639 She knew that she couldn't "give the kid back." 67 00:03:24,719 --> 00:03:27,599 She's a little girl. She's not a car. 68 00:03:29,159 --> 00:03:31,520 NEW ANSWERS 69 00:03:31,599 --> 00:03:34,360 Many of these questions, there's not going to be a single answer to. 70 00:03:34,439 --> 00:03:35,840 There's gonna be a lot of answers to. 71 00:03:37,079 --> 00:03:41,800 What I am about to show you will be definitive as to how old Natalia was. 72 00:03:41,879 --> 00:03:43,918 Her DNA has all the answers. 73 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,439 I was never in y'alls room with a knife. 74 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:47,599 I know what I saw. 75 00:03:50,639 --> 00:03:55,840 In every lie is a hidden truth. But you gotta dig enough to be able to see it. 76 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,199 They're not gonna get away with this. 77 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,400 This is my side of the story. Do I look like a monster to you? 78 00:04:10,478 --> 00:04:16,360 NATALIA SPEAKS 79 00:04:16,439 --> 00:04:20,040 THE CURIOUS CASE OF NATALIA GRACE 80 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,879 APRIL 4, 2023 81 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,800 There's been so much time that I've been just trying to figure out who I am. 82 00:04:42,159 --> 00:04:43,319 I have no idea. 83 00:04:44,519 --> 00:04:47,439 Because right now this is like a 1000 piece puzzle 84 00:04:47,519 --> 00:04:50,800 and I think I have, like, maybe only 300 pieces together. 85 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,240 I want you to know how old I am. 86 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,519 I want you to know about my past because I wanna know too. 87 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,279 It's very fuzzy, like there's a lot of things that I remember 88 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,800 but, like, I can't picture it. 89 00:05:07,079 --> 00:05:09,800 So I want the puzzle to be complete. 90 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:16,360 But the things that Kristine and Michael said that I've done is a lie. 91 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,680 It was all copied off the movie "Orphan". 92 00:05:20,759 --> 00:05:27,040 Ukrainian girl, Russian girl, check. Orphan, check. All this crazy stuff. 93 00:05:27,439 --> 00:05:30,920 Standing at the end of the bed with a knife, check. 94 00:05:31,639 --> 00:05:33,959 That's why I wanna do this. 95 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,879 That's why I wanna tell people what really happened 96 00:05:35,959 --> 00:05:38,120 because I didn't get that chance. 97 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,360 Michael and Kristine are painting me as this homicidal maniac. 98 00:05:45,519 --> 00:05:46,720 She was eating her period 99 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,079 and she hid it for this long and having pubic hair at 7 years old 100 00:05:51,159 --> 00:05:54,159 like don't trust her, don't believe anything she says, 101 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,839 she tried to murder my family and this, that, and a third. 102 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:02,720 But then you gonna come into that apartment that y'all dropped me off in 103 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,399 and pretty much try to murder me. 104 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,079 I just want people to know the truth. 105 00:06:21,439 --> 00:06:26,240 I'm Bishop Antwon Mans and I am Natalia's dad. 106 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,199 We started taking in children. We wanted to adopt 107 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,920 because there's a lot of children who need a family who don't have a family. 108 00:06:37,199 --> 00:06:43,519 I'm Cynthia Mans. I love being a mom, I have literally 11 children. 109 00:06:46,199 --> 00:06:48,040 And I'm Natalia Grace's mom. 110 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,639 I've been with the Mans family for over 10 years. 111 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,639 You can see my life the way it is. 112 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,360 - Lot of love, great. - Thank you. 113 00:06:57,439 --> 00:07:02,120 I finally have parents that love me more than Kristine and Michael ever did. 114 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,720 My dad and my mom, they let me be a kid. 115 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:11,000 My dad protects me. He does what a dad is supposed to do. 116 00:07:12,279 --> 00:07:17,240 My mom gives me hugs every day and tells me how much she loves me. 117 00:07:17,319 --> 00:07:20,920 And never once had they had to worry about me hurting their kids. 118 00:07:23,079 --> 00:07:29,759 I have siblings that love me, you can see that they love me and that I love them. 119 00:07:31,319 --> 00:07:37,159 Hey, hey! Ow, jeez, hi! Hi! Oh, hi, oh my gosh. 120 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,800 She has been a light to our family. She has brought so much joy. 121 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,399 But when Natalia came into our family, she was broken. 122 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,000 The hardest work in the beginning 123 00:07:51,079 --> 00:07:55,639 was to get Natalia to recognize that we're not gonna leave you. 124 00:07:55,959 --> 00:07:58,159 We're here no matter what happens. 125 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:04,360 When it comes to the Barnetts, they need to be brought to justice. 126 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,879 It took barely two and a half hours 127 00:08:07,959 --> 00:08:10,720 for the jury to completely acquit Michael Barnett, 128 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,639 returning a verdict of not guilty for all four counts against him in this case. 129 00:08:17,959 --> 00:08:20,079 - It might be over. - Over well. 130 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:25,079 While the state may have lost this round, some say this was just a practice run. 131 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,360 The real target is Kristine. 132 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:34,120 Within weeks, a new prosecution team evaluated the evidence against Kristine, 133 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,120 basically the same evidence plus Michael. 134 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,440 He was subpoenaed to testify against Kristine. 135 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:43,080 And they concluded that they just don't have a provable case against her. 136 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:45,080 And so for Natalia, 137 00:08:45,159 --> 00:08:49,879 the quest to get the truth out there about what really happened to her 138 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,440 and what her real age was, was doomed from the beginning. 139 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:06,600 My name's Terrance Kinnard. 140 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,440 I'm a criminal defense attorney here in Indianapolis, Indiana. 141 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:13,120 I've been representing Michael Barnett for the better part of 5 years. 142 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,720 And it has been an interesting journey. 143 00:09:16,159 --> 00:09:17,679 It's my opinion that the prosecutor thought, 144 00:09:17,759 --> 00:09:22,080 "Hey, if we get a conviction for Michael, it'll absolutely give us the ammunition 145 00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:24,159 "and help us get a conviction against Kristine." 146 00:09:24,639 --> 00:09:25,720 They also believed 147 00:09:25,799 --> 00:09:30,480 that his animosity toward Kristine was so deep and ingrained, 148 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,159 his hatred was so powerful that they could get him to turn 149 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,120 and, you know, use him as a states witness to convict her. 150 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,639 But it didn't work. The charges were dropped. 151 00:09:43,039 --> 00:09:44,480 And she's a free woman. 152 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,320 Kristine got a complete pass. 153 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,639 Kristine never had to answer for her actions. 154 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,279 And, if true, Kristine got away with some pretty horrific things. 155 00:10:02,879 --> 00:10:07,559 I'm Beth Karas. I'm a former prosecutor in New York City and also a legal analyst. 156 00:10:08,519 --> 00:10:12,960 In my experience, this is one of the most twisted cases I've ever seen. 157 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,879 This story is very different from anything I've covered. 158 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,519 Usually I'm doing stories that have to do with murder and mayhem 159 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,840 and this has no murder but it has a lot of mayhem and a lot of it. 160 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,480 I mean it's like ping pong, you're just going from one direction to another 161 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,519 as new information comes to light. 162 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,559 Especially now that Natalia is able to speak to us. 163 00:10:34,879 --> 00:10:36,720 And today it seems pretty clear 164 00:10:36,799 --> 00:10:41,440 that Natalia has the family she's always wanted, the Mans. 165 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,120 But that wasn't always the case. 166 00:10:52,039 --> 00:10:53,799 Because back in 2013, 167 00:10:53,879 --> 00:10:59,799 the Barnetts relocated Natalia to Tippecanoe county as a re aged adult. 168 00:10:59,879 --> 00:11:04,039 So she's living there on her own. At an adult learning center, 169 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,799 Natalia gets the attention of the faculty and staff 170 00:11:08,879 --> 00:11:13,159 because it's an adult learning center but she's kinda child-like. 171 00:11:13,799 --> 00:11:15,320 So they call the police. 172 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:20,440 This is what led the current sheriff of Tippecanoe county, Bob Goldsmith, 173 00:11:20,519 --> 00:11:26,240 but then a detective, to get involved in the investigation of Natalia. 174 00:11:30,639 --> 00:11:33,039 I'm Bob Goldsmith, I'm the sheriff of Tippecanoe county. 175 00:11:37,799 --> 00:11:40,559 In our detective division, I was the first detective involved. 176 00:11:42,759 --> 00:11:45,639 People talk about a case that's kind of like a defining moment. 177 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,320 The one they'll never forget. 178 00:11:47,399 --> 00:11:48,799 This is one of those cases. 179 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,120 It was in September 2014 180 00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:55,600 when I received a phone call from the Excel Center. 181 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,440 And they said they had a young lady that came in, was enrolled in school, 182 00:12:00,519 --> 00:12:02,159 and things just weren't adding up. 183 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,360 She said this this young lady has an Indiana ID 184 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:09,200 that says she's like 22, 25 years old or something like that, they said, 185 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,200 but the conversation she has, I think she was like maybe 11. 186 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,799 I've been around people with special needs throughout my career, 187 00:12:19,879 --> 00:12:22,080 but nobody like Natalia 188 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:25,799 and when she walked in, her backpack was bigger than she was 189 00:12:25,879 --> 00:12:27,360 and she was very, very short. 190 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,360 And she climbed right up in the chair and started talking. 191 00:12:29,919 --> 00:12:34,240 I asked her, "Do you think you're 25 years old"? And she said, "No." 192 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,200 I remember we got in a car. 193 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:43,639 We both have kids and we were just like, there's no way she's that old. 194 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,440 Some people have commented that it's an act. 195 00:12:47,519 --> 00:12:50,840 What's your take on Natalia acting? 196 00:12:50,919 --> 00:12:53,639 In all the interactions that me and you had with Natalia 197 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,360 at the Excel Center, here, 198 00:12:56,279 --> 00:13:00,360 even watching her in the lobby, she always acted like a little child. 199 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,919 She played like a little child. She talked like a little child. 200 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,679 If she's acting, she never broke it that we can see. 201 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:13,840 I know at one point, I asked Natalia if she had been abused. 202 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,480 And she kind of closed up on me. She quit talking. She got, she got silent. 203 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,960 You can tell she was uncomfortable. 204 00:13:22,039 --> 00:13:24,759 I don't know if that's physical abuse, sexual, I have no idea. 205 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,759 But I wasn't going to pry. I learned through the training 206 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:33,440 and having interviewed several kids and working these cases over the years, 207 00:13:33,519 --> 00:13:35,399 it's not going to do any good to pry. 208 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,000 When a child's ready to tell their story, they'll tell it. So I just left it alone. 209 00:13:41,159 --> 00:13:44,519 Knowing what I know, I don't think justice had been served. 210 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,279 But what I do believe is that Natalia's in a place where she's happy now. 211 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:54,279 And she feels safe and she feels loved. And that's what she said she wanted. 212 00:13:55,399 --> 00:13:58,799 COURT DEPOSITION Michael Barnett, March 20, 2023 213 00:13:58,879 --> 00:14:01,039 How old did you think Natalia was? 214 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:02,519 No clue. 215 00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:05,879 - Did you think she was a child? - No. 216 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,240 Why did you think that? 217 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:13,840 Because Natalia had been telling everybody, therapists, doctors, us, 218 00:14:14,399 --> 00:14:16,840 that she was a grown up. 219 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,320 It's true that I told everybody that I'm 22 years old. 220 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:27,039 But Kristine literally trained me to lie. 221 00:14:29,879 --> 00:14:33,000 That's what makes it worse, the fact that it had to come from me 222 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:38,440 and they can use that against me, like, "Oh but you said it." 223 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,240 "You said that you was 22 years old". And then they changed my age. 224 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,600 That whole thing was just a big chain reaction from one lie. 225 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,000 But people don't know what happened in that house. 226 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:57,720 They tortured me. 227 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:00,039 I was abused. 228 00:15:01,399 --> 00:15:03,360 Kristine is the real monster. 229 00:15:04,799 --> 00:15:07,399 Michael is an accomplice to the monster 230 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,879 because he went along with everything that Kristine said. 231 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,159 Who does that? 232 00:15:18,639 --> 00:15:22,360 Changing my age is the worst thing that the Barnett's ever did to me. 233 00:15:22,799 --> 00:15:28,679 It hurts every single day. But I was so terrified of Kristine. 234 00:15:29,399 --> 00:15:33,720 When she told me to tell people that I was 22 years old, that's what I did. 235 00:15:34,559 --> 00:15:37,360 One time, Kristine told me, she's like, 236 00:15:37,759 --> 00:15:40,919 "I'm gonna show you what it's going to feel like." 237 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,320 If you do something wrong, I'mma pepper spray you. 238 00:15:47,519 --> 00:15:52,159 Kristine told me to keep my eyes open and then she just pepper sprayed me 239 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,039 and I couldn't do anything about it. 240 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,320 She literally made me sit there for like 10 minutes 241 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,039 until I could finally go and wash it out. 242 00:16:10,519 --> 00:16:12,519 And even then, it still hurt. 243 00:16:13,919 --> 00:16:15,519 And she didn't care. 244 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:20,639 She didn't care. 245 00:16:30,919 --> 00:16:36,039 It just really hurt because she was supposed to be my mom, 246 00:16:38,279 --> 00:16:40,759 but she didn't act like a mom to me. 247 00:16:56,399 --> 00:16:58,200 Kristine was going to push the envelope 248 00:16:58,279 --> 00:17:01,080 as far as she could to try to break Natalia. 249 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,279 So Kristine starts putting words in Natalia's mouth. 250 00:17:04,358 --> 00:17:09,358 This is what you tell people, this is what you say, you're 22. 251 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,319 And the threat of being pepper sprayed was just another control mechanism. 252 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,079 The abuse against Natalia didn't start immediately. 253 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:22,079 But the Barnetts attempt to control the narrative did. 254 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:23,160 Michael Barnett Interview NATALIA's ADOPTIVE FATHER 255 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:24,240 October 3, 2019 256 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:28,480 Looking back to 2010, something just wasn't right. 257 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,759 And you gotta understand, with it being a closed adoption, 258 00:17:32,839 --> 00:17:36,279 the adoption agency was not willing to share any details of her 259 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:37,680 when we asked them originally, 260 00:17:37,759 --> 00:17:40,519 "Can you help give us contact information for her old family, 261 00:17:40,599 --> 00:17:43,079 "we have got to find out what's going on here." 262 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:44,599 They said no we can't. 263 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:45,960 Then I got a phone call 264 00:17:46,039 --> 00:17:49,400 from the secretary of the adoption agency a little bit later that day 265 00:17:49,839 --> 00:17:56,079 and she said I can't tell you where she's from, but check her luggage closer. 266 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,839 There was a little ID tag inside of her bag when we adopted her 267 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,960 that had the original family's information on it. 268 00:18:05,039 --> 00:18:07,160 I have never met them in person. 269 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,599 I've no idea why they'd say they've never met the Ciccones 270 00:18:12,279 --> 00:18:14,799 when they literally met them at the adoption agency. 271 00:18:15,839 --> 00:18:19,880 I remember having to wait for who knows how long 272 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,799 while the Ciccone's talked to the Barnetts. 273 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,400 Like that's literally how I remember it, like, plain as day. 274 00:18:26,799 --> 00:18:30,400 So I don't understand that. 275 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,079 The Ciccones were the first family that ever adopted me from the Ukraine. 276 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,200 I remember finding out that they were gonna adopt me 277 00:18:40,559 --> 00:18:46,279 and I was so excited because all I'd ever known was being in that orphanage 278 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,599 and then just to find out that someone was gonna adopt me 279 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,960 was just an awesome thing for me. 280 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:54,759 Like I was so excited, 281 00:18:54,839 --> 00:18:59,759 I was happy that I was finally gonna have a family that actually wanted me. 282 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:06,680 When we finally, like, pulled up into their big driveway, like, it was a hill, 283 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,799 I was just like whoa. 284 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:14,839 Like I remember my 5 year old self being so excited because it was a big house. 285 00:19:15,319 --> 00:19:18,839 Once we got in, I literally just, like, looked everywhere. 286 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:25,119 And then they opened a door and through that door was my bedroom. 287 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,680 And I was so excited, it was pink. 288 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,799 And it was just, like, there was everything in there. 289 00:19:37,599 --> 00:19:40,279 I was with them for about 2 years. 290 00:19:41,799 --> 00:19:44,240 But yeah, there was a lot of good memories there. 291 00:19:44,759 --> 00:19:47,039 But then it was like after a while, like, 292 00:19:49,319 --> 00:19:50,799 everything kinda changed. 293 00:19:55,200 --> 00:20:01,160 One time, me and the little boy, Piro, we were just playing. 294 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,799 I landed on Piro's arm wrong. 295 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,599 And I just kept saying "I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to hurt you." 296 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,920 But then Gary came in and he just started yelling. 297 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,559 And then, as he was walking away, I was crying and I was mad. 298 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:18,880 I said "I hate you." 299 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:29,640 After that, Gary, he didn't like me anymore, 300 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,519 like that's what it felt like, it felt like he hated me. 301 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:40,000 Then one day, I remember Diane coming in my room. 302 00:20:40,599 --> 00:20:44,640 She told me, she was like "I'm not gonna be your mom anymore, 303 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,359 "but I will always love you." 304 00:20:48,279 --> 00:20:51,400 And, like, I didn't know what was going on. 305 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,279 I felt like I was abandoned most of the time 306 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,759 because I bounced around from so many different families. 307 00:20:58,519 --> 00:21:02,279 Dyan Ciccone had gone to the Little People of America 308 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,200 and said this little girl is available for adoption. 309 00:21:07,279 --> 00:21:11,039 There were three little people couples interested in Natalia. 310 00:21:11,759 --> 00:21:13,599 But none of them worked out. 311 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,599 Gary and Dyan they passed me around from the families. 312 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:24,359 And I met a bunch but they didn't want to adopt me or something happened. 313 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:30,079 And then all of a sudden she told me that they found a family that wanted me. 314 00:21:31,319 --> 00:21:33,960 And that's where we were going. We were going to Florida. 315 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:46,400 It makes me mad because I pretty much got sold! Like I'm some toy! 316 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,079 When the Ciccone's took me to the adoption agency, 317 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:02,720 I remember being told to just sit outside the room and just wait. 318 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,279 And the Ciccone's went in first 319 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,440 and talked to Michael and Kristine and the three boys. 320 00:22:09,799 --> 00:22:13,079 I remember waiting for a while, it felt like a long time. 321 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,440 Finally, the Ciccones came out and was like you can come in now. 322 00:22:17,519 --> 00:22:22,000 And I remember running up to Michael and giving him a hug 323 00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:23,160 and I called him daddy ' 324 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:28,799 cause the Ciccones told me that Michael and Kristine were gonna be my parents. 325 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,880 Then I think it was Kristine who told me, 326 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,960 she was like, "We're gonna be your family now." 327 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,960 And I remember still being very sad and very confused. 328 00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:41,000 I believe I cried too. 329 00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:43,680 She was like it's okay. 330 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,119 They acted like they wanted me to be their daughter. 331 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,359 So all I thought was just "I found my family." 332 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,559 They're going to love me. 333 00:22:54,839 --> 00:22:57,400 But thinking back on it, 334 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,160 I think I trusted them too fast. 335 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,000 My name is Jackie Starbuck. 336 00:23:13,079 --> 00:23:18,599 I was the lead deputy prosecutor on the state versus Barnett cases. 337 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:21,920 There are things I'm going to tell you 338 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,000 that you probably have not heard from anyone else yet 339 00:23:25,319 --> 00:23:26,880 that are part of the truth. 340 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:31,359 As we were conducting this investigation and talking to witnesses, 341 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,680 it was clear that there was something going on 342 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,880 that was unusual, to say the least. 343 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:39,720 From the time 344 00:23:40,279 --> 00:23:46,119 that Natalia came to the Barnett's in April of 2010, 345 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,920 there continued to be a pattern of saying, 346 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,960 "Well, we don't know how old Natalia is. We think she's this age. 347 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,000 "We think she's an adult." 348 00:23:56,079 --> 00:23:58,680 When in fact, they had been told repeatedly 349 00:23:58,759 --> 00:24:03,319 by multiple medical professionals that that wasn't the case. 350 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,480 They were working to hide, really, 351 00:24:05,559 --> 00:24:07,680 that they ever had any connection with Natalia, 352 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:11,480 because they also claimed that they didn't have any records at all 353 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,799 about Natalia's prior medical history. 354 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,559 And yet they were providing to the school system medical records 355 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,640 from before she was with them. 356 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:25,559 Michael lied when he said he never met the Ciccone's 357 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,240 and he lied when he said this was a closed adoption. 358 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,119 A closed adoption, by definition, 359 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:36,319 means no information about or contact with the prior family. 360 00:24:38,319 --> 00:24:40,440 Not only do we have Natalia's account 361 00:24:40,519 --> 00:24:44,039 of the Ciccones and Barnetts meeting at Adoption by Shepherd's Care, 362 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,319 but we have email exchanges between the Barnett's and the Ciccones 363 00:24:50,519 --> 00:24:53,839 and these email exchanges included 364 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,599 the executive director of Adoption by Shepherds Care. 365 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:03,359 They were talking to both families. There are also signed contracts. 366 00:25:05,319 --> 00:25:08,920 And the Ciccones and Barnetts were involved in a legal proceedings 367 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,119 within a few months of picking up Natalia in Florida 368 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,720 because there were complications with the adoption. 369 00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:17,000 But for some reason, Michael hid this fact. 370 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,240 And he led us to believe that Adoption by Shepherd Care 371 00:25:24,319 --> 00:25:28,240 was the sole adoption agency brokering the adoption of Natalia. 372 00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:30,000 But that's not true. 373 00:25:30,079 --> 00:25:34,359 We get this phone call out of the blue from Adoption by Shepherd Care. 374 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,880 We get this phone call from Adoption by Shepherd Care. 375 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,880 I have nobody to trust except for the experts involved. 376 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,559 In this case, it's going to be Adoption by Shepherd Care. 377 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,480 But Gateway Woods was their adoption agency. 378 00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:51,480 But Michael never mentions Gateway Woods. Why not? 379 00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:59,640 I remember after we left the adoption agency, we went to Disney World 380 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,960 and I remember seeing the Ciccone's and I remember pointing them out. 381 00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:06,720 I was like, "Hey, it's Mom." 382 00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:11,759 And then Kristine was like, "That's not your mom anymore. I'm your mom now." 383 00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:14,960 And I was like, I didn't really know what to say to that. 384 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,920 I was worried, like, I hope I don't do something wrong. 385 00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:21,359 We get to the hotel that night 386 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,559 and Kristine's going to give our brand new daughter a bath. 387 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:28,640 And I hear a shout from the bathroom. 388 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,559 And she says, "Michael, look down." And Natalia had full pubic hair. 389 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,480 The first night, Kristine gave me a bath 390 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:46,359 and she never mentioned anything to me about pubic hair or anything like that. 391 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,160 Like, I didn't know what that even was, 392 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,720 like, nobody explained anything like that to me. I was six, about to be seven. 393 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:58,160 Like, I didn't know. I don't know why they said what they've said. 394 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,599 I don't remember Michael ever coming into the bathroom. 395 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,759 Honestly I don't, like I just remember Kristine as helping me get dressed 396 00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:09,039 and then we was getting ready to go to bed. 397 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,039 I don't remember her calling Michael or anything like that. 398 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,279 I don't remember Kristine doing any of that. 399 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:16,839 I just don't understand 400 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:23,319 why the Barnetts would say that I have pubic hair or anything like that 401 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,279 because literally I didn't start noticing any hair 402 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,839 until I was like seven, almost eight. 403 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,039 But that doesn't mean that I'm this big monster. 404 00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:37,039 I was still a kid. 405 00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:43,559 Look, some kids start early, you know, that's just that's what happens. 406 00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:48,680 Regardless of what happened in that hotel room, 407 00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:55,519 we do know that that event did not trigger any desire on the part of the Barnetts 408 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,160 to return Natalia. 409 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:02,039 Was this horror story by the Barnetts in a Florida hotel room 410 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,880 about massive amounts of pubic hair really revisionist history 411 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,799 as justification for re-aging her years later? 412 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,200 Now that Natalia is able to speak to us, we have more information. 413 00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:19,960 And some of that information 414 00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:23,359 includes the Gateway Woods reports on home visits 415 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,680 and Dr. Riggs' report. We did not have these before. 416 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,920 And this is how we learned the fact 417 00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:33,920 that the Barnett's were represented by Gateway Woods 418 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,240 during the adoption of Natalia. 419 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,319 Natalia was seen by a Dr. Riggs, an endocrinologist, 420 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,920 on June 3rd, 2010. 421 00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:48,000 What age was he saying that Natalia was? 422 00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:51,480 Okay, here we go, June the 3rd, 2010. 423 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,160 So at that time she was somewhere between the ages of 9 and 11 years old. 424 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,160 And did you tell the parents this directly? 425 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,480 Yes, oh yes. They were informed that. We felt that she was a child. 426 00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:13,279 So this is, like, five weeks after she enters the Barnett household. 427 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,480 They knew right away she was a child. 428 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,839 Michael had to distance himself from Dr. Riggs and his report 429 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,640 because the doctor specifically told him 430 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,559 that Natalia was a child between the ages of 9 and 11. 431 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,200 He also had to distance himself from Gateway Woods 432 00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:38,720 because Gateway Woods incorporated this information in their report. 433 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,640 Is that why Michael led everyone to believe 434 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,799 that Adoption by Shepherd's Care was his agency? 435 00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:49,039 By leading others to believe the adoption was closed, 436 00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:53,559 Michael guaranteed that few would question his story about the adoption. 437 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,599 We know now that this is not true, 438 00:29:58,039 --> 00:29:59,920 but it made a great cover story. 439 00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:03,839 Everything could've been so different for Natalia 440 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,319 if she had been adopted by one of the families she met before the Barnetts. 441 00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:18,359 We're the DePauls. 442 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,799 As far as Natalia's age, she was a child. 443 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:35,599 We think the Barnett's should be in jail. 444 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:37,680 Both of them. 445 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,880 We attempted to adopt Natalia back in 2009. 446 00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:49,519 We set up a private meeting, really, at a museum, right? 447 00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:52,480 Her adoptive mother at the time brought her. 448 00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:56,079 - She came in. - What a cute kid. 449 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,559 - Oh my gosh. - She was adorable. Absolutely. 450 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,480 We had Mackenzie already, our daughter, and she was 4. 451 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,640 We actually have pictures of Mackenzie and her on the scooter together. 452 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,480 They were just like long lost sisters. 453 00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:11,000 Like two peas in a pod. It was really nice. 454 00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:13,400 And we had two subsequent visits. 455 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,319 Halloween and they were both princesses that year. 456 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,319 They got ready for bed together, they did everything. 457 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,079 Helped each other blow dry their hair. 458 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,279 And then Mackenzie had a little car. 459 00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:26,599 Just an adorable 4 and 6 year old playing in the yard. 460 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,359 We were hopeful that it was going to move forward... 461 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,680 And I feel like a bomb got dropped 462 00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:37,000 and then we weren't able to see Natalia again after the last visit over Christmas 463 00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:41,240 because things just got really messy with the attorneys, you know, 464 00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:44,880 it had nothing to do with Natalia. It was heartbreaking. 465 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,079 It was very heartbreaking. 466 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,799 Very, very heartbreaking. 467 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:56,440 The bond between Natalia and the DePaul's was deep and enduring. 468 00:31:56,839 --> 00:31:59,640 They loved her, had no problems with her. 469 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,799 They wanted Natalia to be a member of the family. 470 00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:05,640 I'm sorry, honey. 471 00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:08,720 This should have worked out with the DePauls 472 00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:13,519 but things get complicated when Child Protective Services in New Hampshire 473 00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:18,240 receive a report regarding Natalia and the Ciccones. 474 00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:22,839 The Ciccones suspected the DePauls filed that report. 475 00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:24,839 The DePauls denied it 476 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,799 but it culminated in Natalia's adoption being taken off the table. 477 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,160 She was no longer available to the DePauls. 478 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,680 As you could imagine 479 00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:37,559 this was heartbreaking for the DePauls and their daughter Mackenzie 480 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,319 but also, it was heartbreaking for Natalia. 481 00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:47,440 The DePauls, they were little people like me. 482 00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:50,440 And I used to always go and visit them. 483 00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:53,519 I was there for Christmas, 484 00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:56,160 Halloween, 485 00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:01,160 and Makenzie and I were, like, I felt like we were best friends. 486 00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:06,359 I loved hanging out with her. We did, like, almost everything together. 487 00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:09,759 We're just like what how sisters would be. 488 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,119 And I really did want to stay with the DePaul's, 489 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,359 so I wouldn't have had to go through the pain that I went through. 490 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,519 I felt like they actually wanted me and they loved me. 491 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:28,319 But then it was just like I just stopped seeing them. And I was sad about that. 492 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,839 I don't know. It was just a really weird thing, 493 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,839 like I just stopped seeing them altogether. 494 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,119 Yeah. 495 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:44,519 A few months later, Kristine messaged me and she said we adopted Natalia. 496 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,000 The first red flag that I saw with the Barnett family 497 00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:51,799 was they got Natalia way too quickly. Never even met her. 498 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,240 And they just basically that was it. They just ripped her out of the family. 499 00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:59,240 That was kind of shocking to us. Should we make sure it's a good fit? 500 00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:00,680 Should we make sure she likes us? 501 00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:03,200 Should we make sure she's comfortable with us and our other kids? 502 00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:06,599 She's a little girl. She's not a car. 503 00:34:08,518 --> 00:34:13,960 Another thing that felt weird was Kristine asked me, you know, 504 00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:16,440 had you ever questioned Natalia's age. 505 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,320 I said I never once questioned Natalia's age. 506 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,679 I said I have her birth certificate, I have all of her paperwork. 507 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,760 - Do you remember this? - Yeah. 508 00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:32,920 This was at the museum when we first met Natalia. It was in 2009. 509 00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:37,440 And look at her tooth. See? It's missing, right? 510 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:38,679 Yeah. 511 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:45,079 In this picture, you can see the difference. See the teeth? 512 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,199 This one's from Halloween. Can you see the teeth? 513 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,800 And then this one is before that. 514 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,360 You can tell the changes obviously in her teeth here. 515 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:02,199 And adults don't have changes in their teeth like that. 516 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,280 That happens only once in your life, when you're around 6 years old, 517 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,559 exactly how old she is in 2009. 518 00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:11,519 Does that look like a 20 year old to you? 519 00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:14,800 I mean, come on. I'm sorry, but it's ludicrous. 520 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,079 I remember when I was with the Barnetts, 521 00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:30,000 we had just got back from dinner and my tooth came out. 522 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,920 I had a wiggly tooth and my tooth came out. 523 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,320 'Course Kristine didn't believe me. She said why'd you pull your tooth out? 524 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,760 I said I didn't pull my tooth out. 525 00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:45,239 And there was, like, a long piece, like, I guess like, almost like the root of it. 526 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,800 And she's like, "See, the root is right there. You pulled it out. 527 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,320 "That wouldn't be there if your tooth actually fell out." 528 00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:57,880 And I didn't know what to say to that, but I just kept telling her, no, I didn't. 529 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,840 I didn't pull my tooth out, it fell out. But she just kept telling me, 530 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,920 "You're lying. You pulled your tooth out. " 531 00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:10,480 My name is Dr. Tim Gossweiler, 532 00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:15,679 I have been practicing general dentistry for 34 years 533 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:21,800 and I am the dentist that Natalia Barnett and her mother came to see in 2011. 534 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,440 Mrs. Barnett brought in Natalia and was saying, 535 00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:28,000 "We have a question as to how old Natalia is." 536 00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:30,199 "We think she might be older than what she says she is. 537 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,039 "Is there a way you can find out?" Which is an unusual request. 538 00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:39,800 Talking to Natalia, she looked like she was about seven, 539 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,079 but she acted like she was much older. 540 00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:45,760 She was answering questions articulately at 7 years old, 541 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,920 you just don't see that all the time and that's why I thought, 542 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,679 "Well, this girl can't be seven years old." 543 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,000 And I can see how Mom would think that after talking to her 544 00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:56,400 because she seemed very mature. 545 00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:04,400 I did ask how do they know that she's not 6 or whatever when they got her. 546 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,559 She's like, well we had dental records done on her 547 00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:11,679 and the dentist said that none of her teeth are baby teeth, 548 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,400 they're all adult teeth. 549 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,199 So I was like, okay. Okay. 550 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,719 This is the room where we did Natalia's panoramic X-Ray. 551 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,320 So what I am about to show you will be a definitive answer 552 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,000 as to how old Natalia was in 2011. 553 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:41,000 Now we determined that she had 12 baby teeth remaining. 554 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,440 Three in each quadrant. These three teeth right here in all the quadrants. 555 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,639 It's very simple to determine Natalia's age. 556 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,079 I mean there's really no question when you take an X-Ray like this. 557 00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:57,320 You got baby teeth, adult teeth and there's a range that you have 558 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:02,239 for someone that's got this level of tooth development and that's going to be... 559 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,320 I'll go to extremes, six to nine years old. 560 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,679 This is way too many baby teeth to be an adult. It's indisputable. 561 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,840 You can't fake teeth coming in like this. 562 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:21,000 So when mom and Natalia left, mom knew that Natalia was around 8 or 9 563 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,480 which is right in the range of what she said she was. 564 00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:29,239 Doctor, did you know that her age was changed in 2012? 565 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,800 Oh her age was chang... they legally changed her age? 566 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,800 Oh they tried... Oh, I wasn't aware of that. What was it changed to? 567 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,639 It was to 22. So her birthday was changed to 1989. 568 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,440 Oh, really? Wow. 569 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,159 Yeah. That's a big jump. 570 00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:53,760 Nothing on the X-Ray that we took 571 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:58,280 would show that she could be anywhere near 15 years older. 572 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,440 Wow, that seems crazy. 573 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,280 So that means that even after signing the dental records, 574 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:10,840 Kristine still told people that Natalia was an adult. 575 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,480 After the trial and everything, 576 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,880 all the records I have, especially the medical records, 577 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,000 all points to me being a kid. 578 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,119 So I understand what the truth is. 579 00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:27,159 I've known the truth for as long as I can remember, that I was a kid. 580 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:33,800 But there's a lot of people who are thinking there is a way to tell her age. 581 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,159 There is a way to prove it. 582 00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:43,800 I just want people to just really see the truth about my age. 583 00:39:54,039 --> 00:39:57,280 At TruDiagnostics really we're answering a fundamental question, 584 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,280 "How old are you?" 585 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,800 In fact they use this in the insurance world 586 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,079 to predict when someone is going to die, right? 587 00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:06,079 So if you think about that world, this is super important to be accurate. 588 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,400 What we're trying to determine is someone's chronological age 589 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,440 not based off of anyone's emotions or what he said or she said. 590 00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:15,760 For Natalia we're trying to figure out, well how old is she? 591 00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:22,920 - You ready? - No. 592 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,639 We're really just taking a sample of blood 593 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,199 which has our answers because it's in the DNA. 594 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:33,880 Once we get the sample, 595 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,440 we are very excited to really tie this entire case together. 596 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,039 August, 14th, 2023 597 00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:48,559 I'm praying for the best for this 598 00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:51,639 but I'm really nervous. 599 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:52,960 Like I don't know what they're gonna say. 600 00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:55,559 Thanks for coming to the lab. 601 00:40:55,639 --> 00:40:56,960 Want to take a look at the results? 602 00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:57,960 Yes. 603 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:01,400 All right. 604 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,199 - So moment of truth. All right? - Yes. 605 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,960 Based off of all the studies and everything being analyzed, 606 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,119 you're more closer to 22. 607 00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:18,920 Which is pretty close to what you think, you're almost 20. 608 00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:20,599 That's within two years. 609 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,840 This one little piece of paper 610 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:32,159 throws every single lie that the Barnett's have said 611 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,119 right into the trash with a match. 612 00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:46,320 This is so big because literally this has been 13 years, 613 00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:49,880 13 years of just two people lying their butts off. 614 00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:54,159 They ruined a kid's life. 615 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,519 They painted them as a big monster when in reality they were the ones. 616 00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:00,639 Exactly, right. 617 00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:06,079 It just proves that I was not lying about my age. 618 00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:10,719 They ignored everything that was pointing to the truth 619 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,280 just so they could create this stupid lie. 620 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,880 So if all of that is true about her age, 621 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:34,800 that means Natalia came into the country in 2008 when she was 4 almost 5. 622 00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:38,920 Adopted by the Barnett's in 2010 when she was 7. 623 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,400 Natalia was 8 when the age change petition was filed 624 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,840 and was placed in the apartment in Westfield. 625 00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:51,199 In July of 2013 when she was placed in the Lafayette apartment 626 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,719 she would've been 9 a few months shy of turning 10. 627 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,639 What that means is that Natalia was a child living on her own. 628 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,519 I just want to know why create this story? 629 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,920 They knew and they still did what they did. 630 00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:30,760 Why do this? Why go through all of this? For what? The question is, why? 631 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,239 That's the million dollar question. 632 00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:39,000 I always knew I wasn't an adult 633 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,639 but I never knew why the Barnett's adopted me. 634 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,440 Never once did I see any love. 635 00:43:49,199 --> 00:43:52,440 I feel like there is something bigger with this. 636 00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:55,760 I don't know what it is. How did they shut these doctors up? 637 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,039 How did they hide all this evidence? 638 00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:00,840 They are hiding something big. 639 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,360 I want to know the answers to these questions 640 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,920 and I want people to pay for what they've done. 641 00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:12,119 KRISTINE BARNETT DID NOT RESPOND 642 00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:15,320 TO THE PRODUCER'S MULTIPLE REQUESTS FOR COMMENT. 643 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,800 Subtitling: FAST TITLES MEDIA 53908

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