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Camera six.

George,
you've been through so much.

I don't wish this on anyone.
Not--not anyone at all.

All right, this is new.
Casey Anthony is speaking out

more than a decade after
she was found not guilty

in the murder of her daughter,
Caylee.

[Harris] After 15 years,

Casey Anthony has broken
her silence with the release

of a documentary series.

She blames her father George
for everything

and even implies
that he molested

and killed her daughter Caylee.

She even alleges
that he concealed Caylee's body

and masterminded the infamous
31 days when she was missing.

[voice breaking]
I've gotten blamed

for something I didn't do,
and it--

-I understand that, yeah.
-And it tears me up inside.

Desperate to clear his name,

George has agreed
to take a polygraph test.

I've had a lot of things
happen in my life.

I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

People come by your house,
and they threaten you.

They call you names.

[Harris] From hateful tweets
to angry voice messages.

[woman] You killed her.
You deserve to rot in hell,

and that's gonna happen soon.

[Harris] The stakes are higher
than ever for Cindy and George.

If he's found to be untruthful
or deceptive...

I couldn't
live with him anymore.

I just feel that I really need
to leave this world.

[Cindy] 'Cause I'm telling you,

if he blows all this,
he can end up in jail.

-This is done. This is done.
-Tony--

-I will not stand here...
-Tony, did I...

...and--and you keep
defending her.

If you have anything to do
with Caylee's disappearance,

then the polygraph's
gonna show that.

So, did you have
any active involvement

in Caylee's disappearance?

♪

♪

There are maybe
just a handful of cases

that will always have
the public's attention,

and if there are
new developments in the story

in any way, shape, or form,
people will be interested.

The tragedy all began
back in the summer of 2008.

June 16th was the last day
Caylee was seen alive.

One month later, Cindy Anthony
frantically called 911

and reported her missing.

It didn't take long,
but suspicions surrounded Casey

after she was caught lying
to police

and was seen partying
during the 31 days

of her daughter's
unreported disappearance.

[officer] No more lies.
What happened to Caylee?

-[Casey] I don't know.
-You do know.

-What happened to Caylee?
-I don't know where she is.

[Harris] Five months later,
Caylee's remains are found

in a garbage bag
dumped in the woods

just half a mile
from the Anthonys' home.

[reporter] Florida grand jury
indicted Casey Anthony

on charges
of first degree murder,

aggravated child abuse,
aggravated manslaughter,

and four counts
of lying to investigators.

[chanting] Justice for Caylee!

[Harris] Caylee's heartbreaking
death ignited a media firestorm,

and millions tuned
into Casey's televised trial.

[prosecutor, amplified voice]
Caylee's death

allowed Casey Anthony
to live the good life.

The prosecution argued that
Casey grew tired of motherhood

and suffocated her daughter
using chloroform and duct tape.

The defense claimed
Caylee's death was an accident.

[defense attorney]
She never was missing.

Caylee Anthony died
on June 16, 2008,

when she drowned
in her family's swimming pool.

The defense pointed
the finger at George,

accusing him of molesting Casey.

[defense attorney]
Sex abuse does things to us.

That will help you understand

why no one knew
that her child was dead.

In a shocking turn of events...

[forewoman] We, the jury,
find the defendant not guilty.

-[crowd shouting]
-Casey Anthony was found

not guilty
of first degree murder.

Now the latest twist.

In 2022, Casey Anthony dropped
a bombshell with the release

of her documentary series,
Where the Truth Lies.

This is the first time

Casey has told her side
of the infamous story,

and she not only alleges that
her father sexually abused her,

but also her young daughter.

You don't ever wanna see that
happen to another kid,

especially not your own.

[Harris] Look, I understand
why the Anthonys agreed

to take a polygraph test.

There is a lot at stake here.

They have to pass
in order to clear their names.

♪

There are two huge areas
of this polygraph for George--

whether or not
he had anything to do

with the disappearance
of his granddaughter, of Caylee,

and whether or not he abused
his daughter and/or Caylee,

and Cindy has
long been suspected

of helping to hide the truth of
Casey's disappearance as well.

I'm watching all these things
that you're doing right now,

and it's hurting our case.

It's--It's hurting it because
people are looking at you,

and they're--they're seeing how
you're changing the story.

We don't need that.
We need to then look at you

and say,
"This is a strong grandmother."

So, she will also be tested
on whether or not

George told her anything
about any involvement

he might have had
in Caylee's disappearance.

George and Cindy have not
watched Casey's documentary

and don't know the extent
of the allegations

leveled against them.

♪

I wish the walls of that home
where we're headed now...

♪

I wish those walls could talk.

♪

[Cindy] It's been 15 years
since our ordeal, and, um,

it's taken a toll on both of us.

Back in 2018,
George had his accident,

so life changed drastically.

[George] I broke my neck
in an automobile accident.

I was driving one
of our older vehicles.

The left rear axle came out,

and I ended up tumbling
three times across the I-4.

♪♪

[Cindy] I spent a month up
in Daytona with him

while he was going
through rehab up there,

and I had to literally bathe him

and take care of him for months.
Um...

I mean, there's some days I have
a hard time walking,

but I really try to put forth
the effort to get through.

'Cause number one is,
I don't want her to

keep on worrying about me,
which I know she does.

He's gotten to the point
where he doesn't

wanna be out and about.

'Cause I'm afraid
I'll embarrass her.

Something would happen.

♪

[Cindy]
For me, it's very relaxing.

There's so many things
I can get my hands into or do.

♪♪

Zoe, do you know
what this is gonna be?

This is gonna be Harry. [gasps]

When we're all done,
it's gonna be your brother.

♪

This used to be Casey's room,

and pretty much where Caylee
spent most of her time.

♪

Being in this room does make me
feel close to Caylee.

Um, I've got not just
pictures of her,

but, you know, just memories
of her being in here,

and she's always with you.

♪

This is where my memories are.
This is where I raised the kids.

♪

Casey was three
when we moved here.

Caylee was born here.

We've spent most
of our married life here.

We've been married, what,
42 years?

42.

Our memories, as we get older,
they tend to fade,

so when you look around,
and you see the familiar thing,

it triggers it, and I have
to hold on those memories.

This is why this house
means a lot to me.

This is where
we keep Caylee's ashes.

♪♪

Then I could put little things
that remind me of her

inside the box,

and then, of course,
have a picture of her.

And I always loved--
with her peeking out,

I mean, we captured her
on camera so many times,

and I thought,
this one just reminded me

of her in the kitchen
in the morning.

After her bath in the morning,
she'd come out,

and she'd want, you know,
her cereal or whatever.

And, um, a lot of times
afterwards,

she'd get under the high chair
and play peekaboo with me.

So, that was one
of my favorite pictures of her.

♪

[sighs]

♪

[voice breaking] I mean,
the reason we picked cremation

is because she wasn't whole
anymore, and, um...

I know she's in heaven, and I
know she's looking down on us.

She's her--the guardian angel
that keep--kept George alive

five years ago
during his accident.

♪

[George] I've seen Caylee
two times in this house

since she passed away.

The very first time,
she was tapping.

I was laying in bed.
She tapped me on the--

right on the forehead
with her little fingers.

Said, "Jojo up, Jojo, up."

And it wasn't too much
after that

I saw her one more time.
It was just to let me know,

"Jojo, I love you.
See you soon."

And she was gone.

No one could take that
away from me.

♪

Well, in the beginning,

we had heard rumors that Casey
might be doing something,

but I never thought that she
would, because she had told me

that she was never going
to exploit Caylee's name.

Well, when I saw
that it was coming on,

I said,
I'm not watching this crap.

And if this is what
she wants to do, that's fine.

But as time went on,
especially with, you know,

people now being hateful
with accusations--

did George, uh, molest Casey?
Did he molest Caylee?

And we were like, what the...
You know...

-Sure did. I said that word.
-What?

Where is this coming out of?
And we thought, this is crazy.

So, you know, maybe we
should address these, you know?

When her and I
keep on really trying

to get our lives together,

have happiness in our lives,
I'll get a text message--

something just
so terrible to read.

Saying pedophile,
"You effing this"

and Cindy is this and that.

That baby girl deserves justice,

and that won't happen
until her grandfather,

who's a pedophile,
is behind bars.

And it makes me think, why--
why can somebody believe her

but not believe us?

'Cause Casey--
she still is today.

She lies about everything.

I want to have a polygraph

because it's gonna prove
one thing.

I never did anything to harm
my daughter or my granddaughter.

♪

[knocks on door]

[Cindy]
Nice to meet you, Mr. Harris.

[Harris] Thank you
for having me in your home.

I was surprised to get the call
that you were willing to talk

and that you were willing
to talk to me. Thank you.

Uh, George, we're doing
the polygraph examination

with you today
in just a short period of time.

And, Cindy,
you'll be taking one, too.

And I have to ask you both,

why--why do you wanna
have this conversation?

The polygraph is gonna give me
some satisfaction to know

that I did everything
that I possibly could

to prove that, number one,
I never assaulted

or hurt my daughter
in any way,

and I certainly didn't do
anything to my granddaughter.

-Cindy?
-I want people to understand.

I want Casey
to hear how we feel

about what she's said
and what she's done.

And we're gonna get
to the truth once and for all.

♪

[Harris] So, we're doing
the polygraph today.

-Yes.
-What if the results

aren't what you hope?

[sighs] I'll just feel that I
really need to leave this world.

♪

I used to think I was
very strong emotionally.

When we had this thing
that changed our family,

I said, "Cindy,"
I said, "I have failed.

I have failed on being
the guy that I should be."

Having a polygraph test--

that would be a validation that
I am the guy who I used to be,

the guy that could be
counted on to help a neighbor,

to love his wife, love my son.

Even at one time,
I really loved my daughter.

But if I don't pass it,
how can I stay around anymore?

I...I wouldn't wanna
go on after this.

So, we've got an amazingly
experienced examiner

who believes it's best performed

before you hear
Casey's allegations.

[Cindy]
Because of the emotions?

In short, yes.
George, you will be asked

two sets of questions.
-Yes.

The first will address
the sexual abuse allegations,

and the second will address
whether you were involved

in Caylee's disappearance
in any way.

-So, if you're good with that?
-Yes, sir, I am.

-I'm 100% ready to do it.
-Cindy?

-Yes?
-Yours will address whether

George told you anything
about any involvement

he might have had
in Caylee's disappearance.

-Sounds good.
-Let's go.

[door creaks]

♪

[Harris] This looks like

a wonderfully peaceful
neighborhood.

Now, what was this like
when your neighborhood

had essentially been turned
into a media encampment?

The worst part wasn't the media.
It was the protesters.

[man] Baby killer!

[reporter] The yelling--harsh.

The signs--reading everything

from "Honk if you think
she did it!"

[horn honks]

...to "Casey is a killer!"--
not much better.

[Cindy] The day
that Casey was arrested,

the sheriff's department
drove right up--

three vehicles
on our front yard,

and they made a spectacle
out of it on purpose.

[woman] Baby killer!

Within that first month,
I had an anxiety attack.

-I got trapped by this reporter.
-[siren whoops]

Well, I had never had
any panic attacks in my life

prior to Caylee's disappearance.

And I developed
post-traumatic stress disorder.

I had to go through years
of therapy,

and it's taken a toll
on both of us.

And forgive me for asking
the most basic question,

but how are you two?

Oh, we've--we've had
our moments.

[Cindy] We have good days
and bad days. Um--

Yeah, that's for sure.

Listen, I understand

that everybody
processes things differently.

George and I went through
something very traumatic.

Our marriage was fine
for the most part,

but when all this happened,
we weren't on the same page

even trying to find Caylee and
through the trial and all that.

But, I mean,
every couple has things.

I take my vows very seriously.

We get comments
from a lot of people.

How do you guys stay together?

And my response to them is,
it's a daily struggle.

Every day when he says,

"I don't wanna be
on this earth,"

and I said, "Is it because of me
or what's happened?

He says, "It's all of it."

[Harris]
Look, I'm just wondering,

what kind of effect
do you think this polygraph

will have on your marriage?

♪♪

[Cindy] Um...I-I know.

I mean...if there's some
inconclusive things,

I understand that.

I mean, I-I would, um...

be shocked if--
if he was deceptive on it.

That would lead
to other conversations.

Well, yeah. I mean, yes.

[George] I understand that.

And if I thought that
any of this was true,

believe me,
we wouldn't be together.

♪

[Harris] Okay.

All right.

Uh, obviously, this is
where the exam will take place.

Cindy, you and I are gonna
go ahead of George

so that we can get set.

-The room can be set.
-Okay.

Our examiner can get set,
uh, and then you come on in,

and then it'll all begin,
all right?

Yep. Good luck.

-Love you.
-Love you, too.

Take you this way.

[sighs]

♪

Thank you.

There.

♪

[door creaks]

-Hey there.
-Hello. How are you?

-Good to meet you, sir.
-Good to meet you.

Come on in here.
Just come around here.

My name is George Olivo.

All right.
I'm a retired FBI special agent,

and I was
a senior polygraph examiner

for the Los Angeles division
of the FBI

from 2011
until I retired in 2020.

I just want you to know I'm not
here to judge you today.

-I understand.
-In fact, let's work together

and resolve it today.
-That's what I'm hoping for.

-Yes.
-All right. That means we gotta

be 100% honest with each other.
Okay?

-Absolutely.
-All right, perfect.

So, I recommended
that Cindy and George

take
their polygraph examinations

before they hear the allegations
from--from their daughter Casey,

uh, because the allegations
were very, very strong,

and it's going to cause
a lot of emotions.

And at the end of the day,
I'd like to have

the most accurate results
possible

and not muddy the water

with allegations
from their own daughter

before they take a test
regarding those things.

George,
I want to ask you about you.

Uh, on a scale of one to 10,
you're a 10 on honesty, right?

-[George] I'm a 10.
-You tell the--

You're not here to tell
the truth

only when it's convenient,
right?

No, not just what's
convenient. No, 'cause--

So you're here to tell the truth
all the time

and be a 10 for me today,
right?

Yes. Because I,
number one, I have to.

Got no reason to doubt you.
But let's just be clear.

If you have anything to do

with Caylee's disappearance,

then the polygraph's
gonna show that.

You can think of polygraph

as a fancy tape recorder.

Rather than recording the voice,

polygraph records physiology,
what the body is saying,

to determine if the person's
telling the truth or not.

If you've got nothing
to hide from me today,

the exam's gonna show that
as well.

Physiology are
things like heart rate,

sweat gland activity,
respiration,

the information
that the body gives off

when it's reacting to a stimuli.

-Are you a little nervous?
-[sighs]

Someone is being truthful,

then physiology
ticks along normally,

and the diagnostic features

look kind of like
a river just trickling along.

Doesn't change course. Keeps
moving in the same direction.

When someone's deceptive,
and they know it, they're lying,

the thought process is,
oh, my gosh,

"What's gonna happen to me if I
get caught? I know I did this,"

and so instead of a river,
it looks more like a volcano.

How do you think you'll do
on this exam regarding

Caylee's disappearance?
-I hope I get a 10.

[sniffles], voice breaking]
I would cry.

♪

I would probably fall down here,
and I would cry.

Okay.

'Cause I've gotten blamed
for something I didn't do.

-I understand that, yeah.
-And it tears me up inside.

I understand that.

The average accuracy rate

for polygraph
is between 85 and 90%.

Because unlike the spoken word,

we say the physiology
always tells the truth.

In other words,
the body never lies.

If he's not telling the truth,
he's not gonna pass.

He knows how important it is
to be exonerated by this.

So, here's the thing
about today, George.

I mean, I know that it's
emotional and everything else.

But today's not about
how much you're hurting.

Today is only
about telling the truth.

♪

♪

So, Casey has, uh, claimed
that when she was young,

you came in the room
and--and molested her.

So, there's
two parts to this test.

They're like
two sides of a coin.

Both sides
are equally important.

So, the first side answers
the question, did you do it?

The other part
answers the question,

do you fit the profile
of a person that would do that?

Well, the pre-test
interview is where we discuss

all the issues, tell 'em
everything they need to know.

Wanna try and keep
that foot movement

to a minimum.
-Yeah.

Try not to move your feet
when you answer.

Don't try to convince me
with your answer.

That's not necessary.
Just soft-spoken "yes" or "no."

We have to make that decision
during the pre-test.

Is this person suitable
for testing? Are they lucid?

Are they able
to sit through this test

and focus and pay attention?

You called yourself a 10
on the personal honesty scale,

and you didn't
lie about that, right?

You didn't
lie about that, right?

Yes. I mean, I didn't lie
about it, no. I'm sorry.

-Okay. All right.
-I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

You got me worried there
for a minute.

During a legitimate exam,
there are no surprises.

We actually go over
every single question

so they know exactly
what they're gonna be asked.

Because if
they're not comfortable,

or they don't really
understand what I'm getting at,

then we're not gonna
have accurate results.

You've been married to Cindy now
for how long?

-42 years.
-Congratulations.

You have never cheated
on Cindy?

No.

Even an--
even an emotional affair, right?

-I haven't.
-Okay.

-I have not.
-All right.

Have you always been a 10
on the sexual integrity scale?

-[Cindy] No.
-[Olivo] Yes?

-Yes.
-Yes.

No. When we were separated,
he wanted to date.

I guess when you're separated,
it doesn't count. I don't know.

How do you think he's feeling?

As long as he will take his time

and pay attention,
he'll do fine.

If he's found to be
untruthful or deceptive

about those critical questions--
-Those would be hard.

That would be like
a mind-blowing type thing.

-That would require you to--
-[Cindy] Look at everything.

-To look at everything.
-I think so.

It could mark the end
of your relationship with him?

Yeah, it could.

♪♪

[Harris] So, George's
first polygraph test focused

mainly on the allegation
that he abused Casey,

and frankly, that's what
I'd like to dive into now.

So, we're going to watch, uh,
your daughter's

telling her version of events,
her story.

And we'd agreed you'd
watch this for the first time

after the polygraph

so that it wouldn't upset you
and possibly impact the results.

♪♪

Um... but--but I'm sensing
some tension

after yesterday's polygraph.
-Yeah.

-Sure are.
-And--

[Cindy]
And they can change our life.

They can change our life.
This is serious.

[Harris] You both ready
to hear her allegations?

I want to go on as long
as George feels comfortable.

I--this--that's...

Taylor, can we just
angle this a little bit?

Just pull this side out a little

so George is this way
instead of having it back?

You wanna see
before we get started?

Okay, Erica,
you don't even want to try it.

I'm not moving this.
I'm not moving this.

I want to move him this way
so that he can see.

I said, we can--can we try it?

I didn't say to do it.
I said, can we try it?

[producer] Let's try it.
Let's see what happens.

I'm not even getting
any consideration.

I don't want to make
this harder than it is,

and that's not very much.

I'm trying to help him

because if he blows all this,
he can end up in jail.

I don't need Erica
coming up here and saying,

"No, you can't do that
and then... no."

♪

[sighs]

She wants
to control all the time.

Cindy's very controlling.
I'll admit that completely.

I'd rather have a wife
that's controlling than the one

that just, "Okay, you do
what you need to do."

I'd want someone to be strong.

Let's, uh...
Let's try to start watching.

-[crew speaking indistinctly]
-[sighs]

All right.

[crew member] All ready.

-Everybody set? Everybody ready?
-[crew member] Yeah.

He's happy. I'm happy.
We're good. I got ya.

I just want you to--
to take a deep breath.

Your daughter is suggesting,
in pretty vivid detail,

the kind of dysfunction

that she says was
a part of her upbringing.

I need you to brace yourself
because the allegations

you're about to hear
are pretty intense.

[clicks]

[Casey]
My nightmare last night--

it was similar to other things
that happened to me growing up.

[reporter] What was
the nightmare last night?

My father was holding me down
and raping me.

[under breath]
Jesus Christ. Come on.

That happens again
and again and again.

When I was eight years old,

my father started to come
into my room at night.

I was physically hurt,

and I can't tell Mommy
what happened.

She never called me "Mommy."
She always called me "Mom."

She'll get mad at me.
That's what I was told.

Wow.

Wow.

You have any thoughts
about watching her,

seeing her in this light,
telling her version of events?

It hurts.

What she's saying is
what you did to her...

I know.

...was so horrid
that she repressed it.

Yeah, I know. It, uh...

It's a good fabrication
on her part.

First thing is, I know she's
lying. You know she's lying.

For all the years she lived
in this house with us,

we were always...

happy with each other.

[Cindy]
Hey, guys. I wanna get--oh!

♪

[all] ♪ Happy birthday to you

♪ Happy birthday to you

To hear her make comments
about our family hurt me,

and I know it hurt him.

We were a loving family.
Every family has ups and downs,

but we were always able
to get through it.

Aw. He's cute.

-[George] Look at him.
-[Cindy] Aw, that's a cave...

-That's a cavewoman.
-[laughing]

I need a bigger room.

-Yeah, you do. Just for this.
-[George] Yeah.

Thank you all very much.

I can't understand how someone

her and I brought
into this world--

we did everything
we could for her.

How could this have happened?

♪♪

Well, here's the thing, too.

There's no physical way for him

to have sexual intercourse
three times,

three to four times a week
in that room without hearing it.

How many feet from your bedroom
to where Casey slept?

What, 30? And we always
had our doors open.

Everybody knows how protective
I am of my children.

I would have castrated him
myself if I thought he did that.

♪♪

I look at her right now.

That's not the daughter

that I remember
being here at this house.

♪♪

[Olivo] All right,
so the test is about to begin.

Please remain still.

♪♪

Regarding sexual contact
with Casey,

Do you intend
to lie on this test?

No.

Did you ever have
sexual contact with Casey?

No.

Did you ever touch Casey
for sexual gratification?

♪

No.

♪

Have you ever cheated
on your wife Cindy?

♪

No.

I don't know what the experts
say about body language,

but how do you feel
about his body language?

[inhales deeply]

If George is uncomfortable,
he'll fidget.

What's going on here?

Oh, just trying to figure out
what to do with my hands.

[scoffs]

Stop moving your feet, George.
It's way too much.

[whispers] I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Okay.

♪

Uh, as an adult, have you ever
had sexual contact with a minor?

No.

This part of the test is over.
Please remain still.

We're gonna have to do it
a few times.

-Yes. I'm ready to go.
-[Olivo] You're okay with that.

-All right.
-Yes, sir.

Did you ever touch Casey
for sexual gratification?

-No.
-So, on the polygraph exam,

there's a lot of redundancy
built into the protocol.

So, we ask the same questions
several times.

Have you ever cheated
on your wife Cindy?

-No.
-And we come up with basically

a pattern of truthfulness
or a pattern of deception.

Have you always been a 10
on the sexual integrity scale?

[George] Yes.

Did you ever have
sexual contact with Casey?

♪

No.

[Harris]
George's first test wasn't--

really wasn't just about
whether or not he abused Casey.

This is crucial,
because what Casey says

is that the abuse
didn't stop with her.

I'm going to show you a clip
from your speech at the funeral.

I stand here today,

proud to be the grandfather
of Caylee Marie Anthony,

who not only meant
the world to me,

but meant the world
to my family

and so many of you
that never got a chance

to actually hug her,
smell her hair,

smell the sweet sweat
when she came in from outside.

Are you [bleep] kidding me?

[George]
To hear her call me "Jojo,"

I miss that...
kiss on the cheek,

that special hug
that I tell everyone,

it's so great
to get a hug from someone,

but to get a hug
from a small child,

that gives me energy
like you couldn't imagine.

Oh, I see where she's goin'.

Do you see what
she's going at, George?

Yeah.

[voice breaking]
That's not normal.

Nothing about that is
[bleep] normal! [cries]

You're outright
telling the world

that you're a pedophile!

Wow, Casey.

I'm just a little confused.

Uh, this whole statement
about the sweet smell of sweat.

♪

When I said I smelled her hair

and that sweet sweat
that she had, I did.

It was just the truth
in my heart,

how I felt
about my granddaughter.

Whenever our granddaughter
would be outside,

when you got a chance
to hold her,

and she would give hugs
that were just so fantastic,

you would smell just a gentle...

[sighs]

What am I supposed to do,
push my granddaughter away

and say, "You stink"?

I felt great to get
that hug from her

and have that with me,

but for her to call me
what she just called me--

A pedophile.

Yeah. That was never
in my physicality or my brain.

You meant you loved hugging
your kids when they were little.

I did.

You love hugging
your granddaughter.

But as Casey's writing
the narrative...

-You're right.
-I see where she

is going to use that
against you.

[Harris] Is this the first time
you've heard this suggestion

that you were molesting
your granddaughter?

Oh, this right here?

Yeah, it's the first--first time
I've heard this.

Wow. Did you molest Caylee?

Oh, absolutely not.
Absolutely not.

So, this is--this is another
allegation against you.

Certainly is.

♪

I wanna dig into this
just a little bit more.

You mind if I take him out
on the patio?

-[Cindy] Oh, that's fine.
-Okay.

[George] You know,
it's very, very hard for a guy

who always loves his children,

did everything I could for them,

but to know that
I can't see her anymore.

I've said that a few times
in the past,

but that's the truth now.

But she's not a part
of my family.

I'm sitting here as a father,
and I--and--and I'm wondering

what the hell
that was like for you,

hearing all
of those allegations.

Is there a kernel of truth
to any of the allegations

she's leveling against you?

-None.
-None?

None.

All I really know is...

[scoffs]

[sighs]

I can't really say
I'm gonna survive this moment.

If I die, uh, I know when I die,
I know where I'm going.

I don't think Casey's gonna be
going in that same place.

I don't--I don't believe that.

Either you're lying,
or she's lying.

Well...

And results are coming back.

[sighs]

[Olivo] Okay, so, George,
let's take a break, okay?

So, we're done
with this portion, okay?

-Okay.
-I'm gonna go ahead and, uh,

take the components off of you

because you've been
sitting a while.

Feels tense to me. I don't know
how you feel, but gosh.

[Harris] So, George has
one more exam to go.

[Olivo] Perfect.
Let me get that cuff for you.

[Harris] But he's gonna get
a bit of a break,

and you'll take your test now.

[sighs] Okay.

[George, strained voice] Oh.

♪

Okay, Cindy,
it's your turn in the chair.

[laughs]

-We're gonna get through this.
-Honey, I know you are.

-Yeah.
-I know you are.

[clears throat]

[Olivo] All right, Cindy,
you can go ahead and have a seat

and, uh...now I just wanna
ask you a couple of questions

about you, all right, to get
to know you a little bit better,

make sure that you're fit
to take the test today, okay?

How much sleep
did you get last night?

Maybe four hours. [sighs]

Feel rested enough
to be focused right now?

-Yeah, I believe so.
-Okay. Good. Good.

And medications? You--You said
you take blood pressure meds?

I take blood pressure medicine,

and I take anxiety medicines.

I have anxiety issues
since all of this happened.

-Sure.
-I have gone through

post-traumatic stress,
um, treatments.

Okay. In terms of you being
in control, uh, functional,

how would you rate your mental
health on a scale of one to 10?

With this Casey stuff,

I lost control a couple times
with her.

-Mm-hmm.
-Not where I hurt her.

-Yeah.
-But I put her on the floor

and sat on her.
-Mm-hmm.

So, you lost it.

Well, I mean, I yelled at her.

I wanted to shake her,
but I didn't.

-So--So--So, hold on.
-So I mean, she's lying,

so my frame of mind is--

Slow down.
Hey, slow down, Cindy.

-Right.
-I'm asking you...

-Right.
-...about your mental health,

and you're getting way
ahead of me here, okay?

-Okay--
-How do you feel mentally,

in terms of being in control
on a daily basis?

I--on a daily basis,
I feel in control.

You are. Okay.

-That's all I asked you so far.
-But it's--right.

[Olivo] When's the last time
you saw Casey, your daughter?

[Cindy] The last time I
physically saw her was in 2016,

the day that my father died.

She came, and she spent
the whole evening with me

and the next day.
-How was that?

'Cause he had passed
in the morning. It was fine.

I mean, her and I
were on good terms.

-We were chatting all the time.
-So, what happened?

♪♪

[Harris]
So at this point, so far,

most of the focus
has been on George.

But, Cindy,
I've got to tell you,

people have long suspected

that you have been hiding
the truth as well.

I know there are allegations
that she makes

about your relationship
and your nature.

Casey's about to point
the finger directly at you.

I don't know. She's such a liar.
It's in her DNA now.

I wanna see her attached
to a lie detector test.

[remote clicks]

What you have to realize about
my mom when I was younger,

she was extremely controlling.

She tried to make sure I dressed
as young as I possibly could,

to look as young
as I possibly could.

It's not just feeling like my
mom wanted to keep me a child.

I feel like
she was trying to...

yes, keep me from being
a sexual being.

Wow. Wow.

Yeah. So...

you were a willing participant
in the lie.

Yeah. We talked about me being
a little obsessive-compulsive

and keeping the house right

and making sure
the kids' clothes were pressed,

'cause I did iron
their clothes for 'em.

But it's not about lying about
her being sexually abused

or trying to be
a perfect family.

She's telling me she's
being raped by my husband,

but I won't let her be
a little girl.

Now, am I grooming her
for her dad?

I don't understand all that.

We've got albums
of seeing how she looked.

You can see that I didn't
dress her as a three-year-old

when she was 16.

[Cindy] Turn around, darlin'.
Say hello.

-Hello.
-You look beautiful.

Thank you.

Lookit.
Casey's on stilts tonight.

I'm gonna break my neck.

Aw, look at how beautiful
that little smile is.

-Don't--Don't smooch her...
-[laughs]

-...and mess up her...
-I'm not.

...her little bit of--

You're gonna mess up the makeup.

-I was--
-...or her hair.

[Harris] Let me ask you this.
Do you know Caylee's dad?

I have no clue.

First, she blamed
her boyfriend, Jesse.

And then after we find out
from a paternity test,

it's not Jesse,
then she tells me

that it's somebody else
who's died in a car accident.

-The story is changing.
-Story is constantly changing.

[reporter] How did you get
pregnant with Caylee?

I was raped at 18.

Raped at 18?

[reporter] Did you report it
to the police?

-No.
-Why not?

I wasn't sure
anyone would believe me.

Oh, my... I never heard that.

First person that I would have
told would have been my mom.

And would she have believed me?

Would she have blamed me?

[Harris]
What's your reaction to...

Wow.

...that the pregnancy
was a result of the rape?

Maybe she was raped,
but why wouldn't she tell me?

She told me when
she had sex for the first time,

and did I yell at her? No.
We sat on the bed. I hugged her.

I was her buddy.
We were best friends.

♪

My.

♪♪

Casey has left me cards
and stuff over the years.

I pulled out most of 'em
after... after.

"Truly blessed to have
the two of you in my life.

I would have
nothing without you."

And she signs it,
"Love, Casey Marie."

Mm-hmm.

And this one--

"Words can't describe
how grateful I am for you

and all that you have done.

You have given me so many
things to be thankful for.

You are such a great mother
and now grandmother,

but most importantly,
such a great friend."

[voice breaking]
"I have you to thank

for all of my happiness
and all my success.

I thank God every day
for having you in my life.

I love you, Mom. I'm so proud
to be your daughter."

I hadn't read this one lately,

so that was right
after Caylee was born.

I was her friend besides mother,

and that's
what I always thought.

♪

Well, that's--that's
pretty heartbreaking.

Yeah. Yeah.

And then I...
She--She got very hateful.

"I'm going to once again ask
to come and retrieve

my daughter's ashes,
as well as more of her property

and anything else of mine
that's still in your house."

And I text back, "Sorry,

but there is nothing here
for you to pick up.

I'm not parting with her ashes.

That's all you gave me of her
in the end.

I'm not trying to be mean,
but that's how I feel."

This is her response, and this
is the ugliest thing ever.

"Stay with your murderous,
adulterous, rapist husband.

You don't deserve
any part of her,

and you will never again
have any part of me.

You choose your husband

over both your grandchild
and your children.

Biggest mistake of your life.

I will be there to pick up
my daughter's ashes

when you're dead.

Thank you for the ri--reminder
of who you really are.

Goodbye.
I won't ever reach out again."

It--I-I was so upset,
I-I had to text her back.

"Your father
didn't touch you or Caylee.

You need help. How dare you?

Don't ever say that
I don't deserve any part of her.

I fought for her when you put
her in the woods

to rot and be eaten
by animals and insects.

Live with that."

And then...

I text her the images of
Caylee's remains in the woods.

I said, "This is what was left
of Caylee when you--

when found, scattered
all over the woods on Suburban.

You put her there."

♪

I had always said she could have
Caylee's ashes after I pass,

but now I don't want her
to have 'em, period.

I will make sure I spread 'em
somewhere before...

before I pass,

because she doesn't
deserve them.

So, now there's no hope
of any reconciliation

between not just with George,

but now with me because
of the blow-up that we had.

And she thinks,
"No longer can

I have a relationship
with my mom.

So, now I can just
let it all go,

say what a bitch she is
and how controlling she was."

You know, it all fits
into her narrative now

to make her look like the victim
instead of...

-Instead of...
-...what she really is,

Which is?

Responsible for whatever
happened to Caylee.

I still don't know the truth.

Do you believe your daughter
knows what happened to--

Yes, I believe 100%.

And I kept hoping upon hope
that she would confess.

[voice breaking] And that's
the only reason I've been

put myself through all
of her drama and everything.

-Absolutely.
-Absolutely correct.

Since June 16, 2008,

Caylee has been
my number one priority

as far as what happened to her
and getting her back.

I lost Casey
and my granddaughter that day,

but Caylee was always
the priority.

Caylee's always been
the priority.

That's been my focus and goal
the whole time,

is to find out the truth

and to sit here
and listen to her

keep making different stories
as it fits...

♪♪

I'm having a hard time.
I'm having a panic attack.

I'm sorry. [crying]

-Okay.

-I'm sorry.
-No, that's fine.

[Cindy gasping]

♪

[Cindy crying shakily]

[Cindy exhaling deeply]

-[Cindy exhales deeply]
-Okay.

[exhales deeply]

[sighs]

All right, Cindy, you can
go ahead, have a seat, and, uh,

I'm gonna ask you
some questions,

then obviously to get
to know you a little better

so that the questions
mean something to you.

How much sleep
did you get last night?

Maybe four hours.

Feel rested enough
to be focused right now?

-Yeah, I believe so.
-Okay, good, good.

Now, you've been married to
George out there for how long?

-42 years we've been married.
-Wow.

-42 and a half years.
-Congratulations.

Thank you.

Uh, not too many people
can say that.

So, how would you rate
your relationship with George,

your husband,
on a scale of one to 10?

One, horrible--you fight all
the time, and 10 is perfect.

Probably a six or seven.

Six or seven? Okay.

-It's never been perfect.
-Okay.

We were not on the same page
for quite a while.

[Olivo] Okay.

[Cindy] You know,
during this whole thing.

Did putting your marriage
at a six to seven hurt?

[George] Yeah, it does.

But then again,
that's--that's just her.

What is the biggest disagreement
that you and George have had

regarding this--this whole issue
with Casey and Caylee?

He thinks Casey
may have drugged Caylee.

And that came
from the sheriff's department.

-I believe he was brainwashed.
-Into thinking that?

Into thinking that

because the sheriff's department
tried to do it with me,

[laughs] and I was...
-Yeah.

Like, there was no evidence
of it.

You wouldn't have it.

So, what do you think?
What was your theory then?

Prior to trial,
Jose, her attorney,

called me in,
wouldn't tell me why. Just me.

He goes, "Casey wants you
to know how Caylee died."

And he grabbed me 'cause he knew
I was probably gonna faint.

And he goes,
"She drowned in the pool."

[voice breaking] And I said,

"What the hell did she put us
through all this?

What the heck?
If it was an accident,

we could have taken care of her
right then and there."

He goes, "I have
to explain away her actions.

Someone has to take
the fall for it," and he said,

"It's gonna have to be George.

No one else will believe
anything," and I looked at him

and I said, "You're not
doing anything to George."

Why do you believe she believes
that account and not yours?

[scoffs]

She just believes Casey
more than she does me.

She just does.

Because I-I know one thing.

I don't believe anything that
J-J-Jose Baez ever said.

I still believe that Caylee
was given some kind of drug

to go to sleep
'cause I feel she wanted

to be out having fun
with her friends.

You know how hard
it was for me to go

in front of the grand jury?

They kept on asking me
the same kind of questions.

The--Who do you believe is--
is responsible? Casey.

No matter what happened--
drowning, giving her something--

And you said that
before the grand jury?

I most certainly did, sir.

I most certainly did.
I didn't pull any punches.

I will go probably to my grave
always believing

that Casey harmed Caylee.

♪

Look, the burning question
has always been,

what happened to Caylee
on the day she disappeared?

This is extremely important
for George and I.

This is
what we had disagreed upon

for the last 15 years.

Casey has
a completely new version

of what happened
on the day Caylee disappeared,

and it all starts
with George waking her up

and with Caylee
nowhere to be found.

[Casey] They came back around
towards the front porch.

He's standing there with her.

She's soaking wet.

♪

I can see him standing there
with her in his arms

and hand her to me

and telling me that
it's my fault, that I did that,

that I caused that,

and I just collapsed
with her in my arms.

Casey knows CPR.
I made her take classes.

He takes her from me,

and he immediately
softens his tone

and tells me
"It's gonna be okay,"

that she was going to be okay.

That's what he said to me.

[sniffles]
I wanted to believe him

because I wanted her to be okay.

She can say that so easy.

And, George,
you're hearing this

from your daughter's mouth
for the first time.

-That did not friggin' happen.
-Does that make sense

to any rational person,
any sane person?

You would hand off
a lifeless baby soaking wet

and not attempt to...
-"Here. You take care of her."

-I don't do that kind of stuff.
-...do something, plus...

Yeah.
-...George knew CPR

from the sheriff's department.

-He was certified.
-But, George, you would know,

wouldn't you?
-[George] Oh, absolutely.

-He was certified in CPR.
-And it was child--

You better start
speaking up for yourself.

-Well, I'm fine.
-This is all coming down on you.

-I know it is.
-And--And if you've got

information that refutes this,

you need to speak up
for yourself.

Well, I understand that.
Everything I know

that Casey is saying
right there is a lie.

But I'm gonna
tell you something.

I don't believe
that our daughter...

could leave her daughter
in my arms, soaking wet.

That does not
compute in my life.

It will never
compute in my life.

I may wear this theme out.

-Wear it out.
-But I--Okay.

What is the nugget of truth
in this story

of what happened that day

based on the story
she's telling us?

The first nugget of truth
was Casey woke up...

♪

...couldn't find Caylee, so that
means she was distracted,

didn't know where Caylee was at.

She finds her in the pool,
lifeless, panics.

The reason she brings George
into it is because

who did Jose say he was gonna
throw under the bus

to save Casey's life
from the death penalty

and life in prison?

George, based on the fact--

Because this is what she's
saying in her own words now.

There's no--There's no Jose Baez
sitting next to her.

Right, but Jose is the one
that put the idea in her head.

Why is she--she is acquitted.

She doesn't
have to tell the story.

Do you see what I'm saying?
So, why is she--

Yeah.
No, I think Casey has thought

about that over the years...
-And created it

...and she created it
in her mind to cope...

With?

...with Caylee's drowning
on her watch.

Does that
sound reasonable to you?

It does sound reasonable.
Reasonable.

But that's
the nugget of truth, George.

I understand that,
but also with me being out there

and bringing Caylee in
to give her to her,

that's a really big
f-fabrication,

'cause it did not
friggin' happen that way.

[voice breaking]
It did not happen that--

I don't believe that--Oh.

How many times I will hear,
well, she drowned in the pool.

She drowned in the pool.
People wanna say that.

You wanna say it, that's fine.
I know what my feelings are.

I-I know what I saw,
and evidence. I saw it.

-Let me stop him right there.
-Okay, fine.

-No, listen, listen--
-You know something?

-This--This is over for me.
-No, George--

This--This is done.
This is done.

-Tony--Tony--
-I will not...

Tony, did I--

...stand here, and--and you keep
defending her. She is no--

-I'm not--I'm not defending her.
-Yes, you are.

-Tell him I'm not defending her.
-Yes, you are.

-But I--
-Yes, you are.

-Can I--
-Can I just--

-Can I--Can I...
-Yes.

...suggest what the bridge is?
Can I tell--

Can I suggest what
the bridge is?

It's him not listening
to what I said.

I have no idea
how what you said,

and maybe even the way
you said it, impacted him.

But the three of us
have got to work together

if we're gonna get through this.
-Right.

Because there's still
a piece of this allegation

that you haven't heard,
and it's big.

The lead investigator
of Casey's defense team,

Pat McKenna,
sat down with Casey.

Uh, I want you both
to have a look.

We never discussed this,
but when he abused you,

was there...
anything that he did that

you would make you think
he did that to Caylee

to cause the accident?
-[Casey] Absolutely.

-Yeah.
-Absolutely.

If I didn't want to
or if I said no...

[sighs and sniffles]

he'd put a pillow over my face

and he'd smother me
to knock me out.

[McKenna]
That could be the accident.

[Casey] Possible. [cries]

This stitched-together
allegation now,

is that you may have
smothered Caylee

while abusing her sexually

and made it look like
a drowning to cover it up.

Do you wanna
say anything to that?

That's a lie.

That is a lie.
I would never do that.

I haven't done that.

It's not in my brain
to do anything like that

to my daughter,
but especially my granddaughter.

Oh, my gosh. That's... That's
one of the cruelest things

I have ever
been accused of in my life.

-The cruelest, yes.
-It is. It's...

Why is the daughter
the two of you raised

making the cruelest accusation
against her father?

♪♪

So, I'm gonna tell you
about polygraph, what it is

and how it works. It's based on
the autonomic nervous system,

that fight or flight response...
-Right.

...you know about.
The same phenomenon,

that fight or flight response,
occurs when someone tells a lie.

And it's
the perception of jeopardy,

of getting caught in a lie.
So, you said that you're,

you know,
painfully honest, right?

-I call people out.
-So, on a scale of one to 10,

you're a 10 on honesty, right?

-I tell the truth all the time.
-Okay.

-It's important.
-Okay.

Unless it's in someone's
best interest... [laughs]

Like, if it's, you know...

To me, that's not a-a...
an untruthful lie. It's just a--

It's a truthful lie.

♪

So, this whole time
when Caylee was missing.

and everybody was frantic,
looking for her,

the whole idea,
or the whole questioning here,

has to do with if George
knew anything about it.

My question is here,
if George ever told you

anything about him
being involved

in Caylee's disappearance.
-No.

-If there was any inkling...
-Right.

...I would have alerted
the sheriff's department.

Even covering up
what happened to her,

even if it was an accident,
is still a crime.

As you look at her here,
are you anxious?

Are you nervous?
Are you confident?

I'm anxious for this
to get done for her.

Yeah.

Okay, so the test
is about to begin.

Please remain still.

Regarding George,
confirming his involvement

in Caylee's death, do you intend
to lie on this test?

No.

Did George ever confirm

that he was actively
involved in Caylee's death?

No.

Did George ever confirm

that he actively participated
in Caylee's disappearance?

No.

Did George ever say that
he knew where Caylee was

while she was missing?

No.

This part of the test is over.
Please remain still.

Just wish she didn't have
to go through this stuff,

all the stuff
she's been through

with me, with our daughter.

[Olivo] All right,
go ahead and recover, Cindy.

So, I'm gonna go ahead
and analyze the data.

I think I have enough here,
okay?

And then we'll get
the results to you...

-Okay.
-...uh, in a couple of days.

I mean, it is what it is.

I mean, you can't...

I... You can't change
what you know or you don't know.

[Olivo] Exactly.

-She's all done.
-[Olivo] Thank you.

-I think so, yeah.
-Yeah.

Feel free to stand up
whenever you're ready.

-[groans]
-So you can stretch your legs.

-I'm stiff.
-I know. I know it hurts.

[Cindy sighs heavily]

[Harris] For 31 days
after her daughter's death,

Casey admits to hiding
this tragedy from everyone,

including the authorities.

But there have long been
these theories

that other people,
other parties

were involved in the concealment
of the crime as well.

This is another chapter
in this story.

This is, in some ways,
the most compelling part

of the story for me,
these 31 days.

That is the next portion
that I wanna take apart...

-[Cindy] Okay.
-...in some detail.

Now we're at a place
where Casey is telling

an entirely different story
about the events of those days.

-Yeah.
-[Casey] During the 31 days,

I genuinely believed
that Caylee was still alive.

My father kept telling me
she was okay.

I just had to keep
following his instructions.

-What a good actress you are.
-She is an actress.

[George] She can get
an Academy Award for this one.

What's in her head,
in her heart,

where she could
say something like that?

When someone can't deal
with themselves,

with what they did,
they project it

onto someone else
or make excuses.

I mean, come on, girl. She's...

She can't keep her story
straight.

If I'm to believe your daughter,
you gave her instructions

on how to behave
in those 31 days.

-Did you speak to her?
-No, I did not.

-Did you text her?
-No, I did not.

Did you receive a text
from her?

No, I did not.

How did you receive
any information

about your daughter
during these 31 days?

Through Cindy. Cindy told me
that she had talked to Casey.

Everything is good,
uh, Caylee's fine,

blah, blah, blah,
and all that stuff.

So, I believed each time
she told me.

So, you were in touch with her.

Yeah, I talked to her
almost every day,

and I told
the sheriff's department that.

They had our phone records.

They could verify if
she talked to her dad or to me.

So, I-I called more for Caylee
than I did for Casey.

A month is a long time
not to see your granddaughter

who lived with you
for almost three full years.

And--And the problem
that many people in the public

have with you during this period
is that you--you appear

to be very accepting
of what your daughter was--

-But I wasn't.
-It sounded that way publicly.

Can you acknowledge that,
that it--

Because publicly,
during all this time,

they didn't know what I did.

They didn't know
that I called every day.

They didn't know
that I hounded her brother,

"Have you seen your sister?"

Think the other thing you didn't
do was call the authorities...

-But why--
-...that my--

-Okay.
-..."that my daughter

and my granddaughter
are missing,"

and, George, you didn't either.

So, I'm just saying,
in my time with you,

you don't strike me as a woman
who would accept that.

-How did we get the 31 days?
-Okay, but why would I call?

Okay, think about it.

21-year-old mother with her--
her own baby.

Casey told me Caylee was fine.

Her story is that she dropped
the baby off at the babysitter--

Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez,
who does not exist.

Why am I gonna
call the authorities

and say,
"Hey, Casey's in Jacksonville,

won't bring my granddaughter
home so I can see her"?

They're gonna think
I'm frickin' nuts.

So, I think I behaved
pretty dang-on...

-Okay.
-...reasonable.

[Cindy] I mean, who's
the truthful one in this house?

Who is?

Now is the time where I need
to tell you. We need to focus.

We need to focus
on the right thing.

We don't need to focus
on creating stories,

changing testimonies, changing
what we said. We have all--

I'm not changing anything
I ever said.

We are focusing on trying
to find Caylee.

That's it. That's all.

[Harris]
People have always suspected you

of lying to protect Casey,

but Casey says that George
was behind all of it, so...

so I'm wondering
if you might have been lying

to protect him as well.

[exhales deeply]

Pretty soon here, we'll have
the results of the polygraph.

It's wrapped for--
for Cindy right now.

You wanna head over now and get
set up for your final test?

♪♪

[Olivo] Okay, so let's go
through these questions, then.

[sighs] So, one of
the questions, uh, that comes up

is--has to do with Caylee's,

obviously, her disappearance.

And so,
when I ask you about actively

causing the disappearance,

what I mean is that you
physically did something

to move her or hide her
or something like that, right?

So, the question I'll ask you
on the test will be,

did you actively
cause Caylee's disappearance?

-How would you answer that?
-No.

Okay, very good. Another
question similar to that is, uh,

did you knowingly conceal
Caylee's whereabouts?

No. I mean, I... I didn't know
where she was at.

Correct. That's all I'm asking.
So, the question again--

did you knowingly conceal
Caylee's whereabouts?

♪♪

No.

Okay, so you're struggling
with that one a little bit.

Tell me why.

Maybe it's because I-I...

it was so close to our house...
-Yeah.

-...that she was found.
-Right.

-Um...
-But think about the times

you went out looking for her.
-Yes.

Did you know where
she was that whole time?

-No.
-Are you sure?

I-I didn't know
where she was at.

-Okay. That's all I'm asking.
-I did not know.

That's all I'm asking you.

Okay, George?
Kind of pull it together.

I just was v-visualizing the--
the woods at the moment.

-I'm sorry.
-You--The what?

-The woods where she was found.
-Yes. Yes.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[Olivo] Okay, you're gonna have
to compartmentalize.

-Okay.
-Right now,

as you sit here right now,
did you conceal her whereabouts?

Did I conceal her whereabouts?

♪♪

[stammers]

I did not know where she was at.

[Olivo] Okay, so why are you
struggling with that?

♪

[sighs] Oh, man.

As you sit here right now,
did you conceal her whereabouts?

Did I conceal her whereabouts?

♪

[stammers]

I did not know where she was at.

Okay, so why are
you struggling with that?

♪

[sighs] Oh, man.

-Tell me why.
-I-I mean--

I'm happy to modify
the question if I have to...

I'm--I'm--I'm--

...but I need to know
why you're struggling.

I did--I did not know
where Caylee was at.

All you gotta do is say no,
then.

I have no reason
to doubt you at this point.

If someone stumbles
on a question during the test,

once we've already discussed it
and explained it,

and they say
they're okay with it,

and they still stumble on it,
at first, I'm gonna assume

that they're just nervous

or that they just didn't
understand or hear me properly.

Uh, but if they continue
to struggle with it,

then we have to talk
about it some more.

There may be an issue there.

♪

George, I...I'm wondering
about this one moment

in--in the run-up
to the actual test,

there was a question
about concealment.

-You remember that question?
-Yes.

There seemed to be either
some...a lack of clarity,

confusion on your part.

It wasn't that I didn't
understand the question.

It's just that I just was
overthinking some stuff

in that moment.
-Yes.

In that moment that...
I'm almost ready to cry,

I stumbled for a moment
'cause I was visualizing

where Caylee was at
or where she was found.

Who put her there?

Why am I being blamed?
'Cause I didn't do it.

I've always blamed myself
from day one that I didn't--

I was the one that's supposed
to find my granddaughter.

I didn't find her.

You felt you were the one
who was supposed to find her.

I was supposed to, yes.

I was supposed to be
the one to find her, and...

But that has nothing to do
with concealment, George.

You understand where
they're going with this?

-Yeah, I understand.
-[stammers]

The concealment question
is an easy yes or no.

Either you had something
to do with it or not.

So, for you to be confused
about concealment all--

after all this time,
it's either a yes or a no.

So, this ends up
being very important,

because we're
going to get results...

-Yeah.
-...soon.

-[Cindy] You know?
-Are you frustrated right now?

[Cindy] I'm frustrated!

It should have been
an easy one to answer,

and I don't know why
he's struggling now.

I remember Casey saying
she just wanted to see this

all just not be here,
she would not talk about it.

She would do nothing
about it for--

Stop for one second.
Answer his question.

That's not what he's asking you.

And I'm gonna walk away
for a second,

because if he can't focus
on that,

then you're not in a good
mindset today to do a taping,

and we need to get this done.

And you're the one
that wanted to do this.

But I know he's gonna regret
all of this later on.

You think about it,
because I don't wanna...

George, talk to me for a second.
What are you feeling?

I feel, uh, very... Okay.

I don't wanna say the word
"hatred."

I feel right now I don't...

I'm having a hard time
liking her.

♪

[Harris] All right, George,
let's go for a ride.

You lead the way.

I pulled you aside because I...

I just have a sense...
[clears throat]

that you need to be heard.

I'm just having issues with
Cindy. I-I don't... [sighs]

I'm having issues
ever since this stuff happened.

♪♪

Cindy wants
to control the situation.

No matter how much it hurts me,
how much it bothers me.

She don't check on me like how
I feel about a situation.

And I just....

Every time I try to talk to her
about it, I have to get loud.

I have to get away from her.
I have... It's...

She doesn't understand it.

She wants to be combative
with me.

I don't want to be combative
anymore. I can't take it.

It's... It... It hurts too much.

I don't know
where to go anymore.

I don't know where to go.

When you say
you don't know where to go,

do you want to leave?
-Yes.

[Harris] Is your marriage
going to survive this?

No, I don't think so.

There's many, many times
over these last few years

that Cindy and I have talked

about getting away
from each other.

How much of your lives,

even now, all these years later,

is still consumed by this story,
your daughter,

your granddaughter,
and what happened?

On a percentage basis, I think
it's really close to 100%.

-What?!
-Like 99%.

-What?!
-Yeah. Oh, yeah.

-On a daily basis?
-Mm-hmm. Most definitely.

Look at every time
you walk around the house,

there's--there's a memory
of something.

Would you mind if we go

to the area where
Caylee's remains are found?

One street you followed
all the way down,

turn left, you turn right.

It went down about a hundred
yards on the right-hand side.

♪

There were so many adults
that came here,

and they would pray.

There used to be people
row after row, car after car.

People would be over here.

There could be a couple hundred
people here at one time.

But how can I tell people,
"Don't go down there"?

We've tried.

I've been on the local news
trying to keep people away.

Some would suggest
that you want the memory of...

of this to go away.

Caylee--Caylee isn't here.
She's not here.

-Do you ever come--
-There's times I wished

I was here, you know,
instead of her.

-What?
-I did.

If I could call--talk to God
right now and say,

"Listen, send Caylee back here
to be with her Grammy."

I'd rather have God...
God take me.

I tried to almost take
my own life because of it.

I so much wanted to be with her.

She meant everything to me.
To me.

I know she meant
everything to Cindy, too.

But we showed our affection
in different ways,

I guess, for her.

♪♪

And, George, what would
you say to people who hear you

talk about your love
for your granddaughter,

who then say, "You know,
that's a bit much.

That's a bit--
That's almost a bit creepy"?

Well, you know, they're not
the ones that would have to walk

every single day
on stuff that I've been through,

to being called...
[chuckles]

different things that I've been
called to my face. I--

What have you been called?

Pedophile, number one.

That's just a touch of it.

Well, brother, I hope, uh...
[sighs]

you can find some--
some peace at some point.

You good, George?
You ready to get started?

-I am ready to get started, yes.
-Very good.

So, again, we're gonna
do it a few times, George.

So, don't be alarmed when I say
we're gonna do it again.

That doesn't mean
there's anything wrong.

Okay.

It doesn't mean
you're doing anything wrong.

There's just redundancy
built into the protocol.

I'm not here to accuse you
of anything. We're here--

Don't think of this, George,
as a lie detector.

Think of it as a truth verifier.

I understand.

And we're trying
to keep emotions out of it.

-And that's hard sometimes.
-And it is very hard.

I know
it's easier said than done,

but, I mean, if you want,
you know, accurate results,

then somehow--
somehow you have to do that.

If you'd like to ask me again,
I'll be more than glad to...

-Okay.
-...correctly.

All right, so the test is about
to begin. Please remain still.

♪

What would you believe,

if, in these key areas
of the exam,

George comes back
as being untruthful?

[stammers] That would be
life-changing for me.

I... If... If I thought he had
anything to do with this,

and I went through all this,
and he was a part of it...

I couldn't live with him
anymore.

♪♪

All right, so the test is about
to begin. Please remain still.

Did you actively cause
Caylee's disappearance?

No.

♪♪

Did you knowingly conceal
Caylee's whereabouts?

No.

♪

Don't move your feet
when you answer.

♪♪

Did you ever harm your daughter,
Casey, when she was a child?

No.

You stop moving your feet,
George.

-I-I-I--
-It's gonna affect you, George.

I'm asking you to stay focused
on what we're doing.

It's your test, George.
It's your test.

I know, and I'm screwing it up.

Did you place
Caylee's body in the ground?

No.

Okay, this part of the test
is over. Please remain still.

Okay.

Okay, George,
go ahead and recover.

That means you can move.

Okay, great. Take a quick break.
You need some water?

Sorry if I'm shaking
a little bit.

I just have
an issue with my, uh,

-Yeah.
-...left hand and stuff

from my accident.
-Okay. Yeah.

-Yeah, it does move a bit.
-Yeah.

And then your feet, too, right?
Try and keep those feet still

when you answer.
-Okay.

[Olivo] Okay. Appreciate that.

All right. Let me know
when you're ready.

-We'll do it again.
-I'm ready, sir.

Okay.

Okay,
the test is about to begin.

Please remain still.

♪

Regarding
Caylee's disappearance,

do you intend to lie
during this test?

No.

♪

There were people
at the center of the story

who you love desperately.

Someone, or both of them,
are not telling the truth.

Right. I mean,
you can love someone,

and sometimes
they disappoint you.

But to me,
that's beyond disappointment.

-Yeah.
-That's betrayal.

Did you knowingly conceal
Caylee's whereabouts?

No.

♪

Okay, so the test is over.

I'm gonna review the data.

-Get back with you...
-Yes, sir.

...uh, with the results.
Any questions for me about this?

-Uh, no, sir. I'm...
-You feel all right?

Those... [sighs] what--
questions you're asking me,

that is a very...

This is really hard,
especially when you know that

never got a chance to see
my granddaughter again.

It's... It's... It's hard.

I know. I know. Yeah.

A matter of fact,
I've had family tell me,

"Oh, you should just go on with
your life. Forget about it."

-You can't forget.
-[Olivo] Of course not.

And there's some days
I remembered very vividly.

Other ones maybe not as much,
but I always wanted to be just

known as a good guy. That's all
I ever, ever wanted in my life.

This is not the way I thought
my life was ever going to be.

Never did.

She tells me things
sometimes that hurt.

I understand why she does.

Since his accident, he's...

talks about not
wanting to be around.

He wants to be with Caylee
and stuff like that.

-But he's--
-Why does he think that way?

Well, he feels
like after the accident,

he's not strong anymore,
he's less of a man,

and he feels
like he's let me down.

And I said,
you haven't let me down.

I said, you let me down.
If you do something stupid.

I got the best person, my wife,
to keep things stable.

She tells me things
sometimes that hurt,

but I understand why she does.

[Olivo] Yeah. Tells you what
you need to hear.

Yes, sir.

Just wish she didn't have
to go through this stuff--

all the stuff
she's been through.

So, uh, you know, we'll look--

I'll look at the data. I think
it's--it's clean enough

to where we can, uh, make some--
make some calls here,

get back with you...
-Yes, sir.

...uh, with the results,
uh, at a later date. Okay?

[sighs] Oh, man.

♪

[Harris] Cindy? George?

-[George] Hey, sir.
-Hey. How are ya?

-Thank you for coming.
-Yeah, of course.

-Thank you.
-Uh, big day.

-Yes.
-Results day.

-Yes.
-You ready?

-I'm ready.
-You are?

-Okay.
-Yes, I'm ready.

-I wanna get this over with.
-George?

Yes.
I'd like to get some answers.

Okay, well,
then let's head inside.

Waiting for the results
has been hard for George and I.

But the fact
that he could be untruthful,

it's the most unthinkable thing.

Before we get the results,

I just want all of us to sort of
understand why we're here.

You both understand
that there is

a high degree of reliability
to this test.

Right. I'm ready.
I've, you know, I'm--

-[Harris] For the results?
-I'm ready for the results.

George, are you ready
for the results?

Yes.

Whatever comes out of it,

you have to take
responsibility for.

-I will.
-Okay.

So, I've done a careful analysis
of all the data

that was collected from
your polygraph examinations,

using best practices.

For quality assurance, uh,

I met with another retired
FBI polygraph examiner.

Uh, he reviewed all of my work,

and he came up
with his own conclusions

independently
without any input from me,

obviously, without meeting you.

Uh, at the end of the day,

uh, we both agreed
on the final results.

So, uh, what I'm about
to share with you,

uh, I'm doing with a high degree
of confidence.

Okay.

-Cindy.
-Yes.

The scope of your exam
was whether or not

George has secretly confessed
to you any involvement

in the disappearance and death
of Caylee Anthony.

-Okay.
-Um...

Your exam contained
three relevant questions

that were evaluated.

Did George ever confirm

that he was actively involved
in Caylee's death?

No.

Did George ever confirm

that he actively participated
in Caylee's disappearance?

No.

[Olivo] Did George ever say
that he knew

where Caylee was
while she was missing?

[Cindy] No.

I asked you these questions
multiple times

during the examination
to get a pattern.

Right.

And your results are
that you passed this test

with no deception indicated
to the relevant questions.

So, in my professional opinion,
you were truthful.

I believe you,
and you deserve to be believed.

Thank you. Appreciate it.

It's not gonna help finding
what happened to Caylee

by not being truthful.
-Right.

And that's been the whole point.

I mean, I did everything
I could and beyond

to try to bring my dau--
my granddaughter home safely.

So, my focus has always
been Caylee.

George...

♪♪

You took
two examinations, George.

Yes.

Uh, The scope of one
of your exams

had to do with whether or not

you were involved
in child molestation

with your daughter Casey

and, uh, as well with, uh,
your granddaughter, Caylee.

Your exam contained
three relevant questions.

Did you ever have sexual contact
with Casey?

-You answered no.
-No.

Did you ever touch Casey
for sexual gratification?

You answered no.

And as an adult,

have you ever had
sexual contact with a minor?

Which would include any minor,
And you answered no.

I asked you the same questions
multiple times

during the examination, George.
-Yes.

The results of that examination,
George, are...

♪

George, uh, the scope of one
of your exams

had to do with whether or not

you were involved
in child molestation

with your daughter Casey

and as well
with your granddaughter Caylee.

♪♪

Your results are
you passed this test, George,

with no deception indicated to
all of the relevant questions.

In my professional opinion,
you were truthful.

[Cindy] No doubt. I would never
have stood for it. No doubt.

[crying]

[Cindy, voice breaking]
No doubt.

[sniffles and sobs]

[sobbing]

Oh, my God. Oh, man.

[exhales deeply]

I'm sorry, but I've been wanting
to have someone...

-To believe you?
-...believe me.

George, you deserve
to be believed about that.

[continues sobbing]

George, you took
a second exam as well.

The scope of the other exam
is to determine

whether or not
you had any involvement

in Caylee's death or--
and/or disappearance.

Did you actively cause
Caylee's disappearance?

No.

Did you knowingly conceal
Caylee's whereabouts?

No.

Did you place
Caylee's body in the ground?

No.

♪

The results
of that examination, George...

♪

...you passed that exam.

And I saw no deception

indicated to all
of the relevant questions.

In my professional opinion,
you were truthful.

-[exhales deeply]
-I've always believed you.

'Cause I tell you,
she won't even n--tell you.

There were so many times
I just didn't wanna be here

'cause I don't think
I could stand...

being pulled in something
that I didn't do. [sniffles]

[Olivo] You should be considered
a trustworthy man

based on these results.

How does it feel to hear that?

It says it takes
a lot of weight off of you.

But, you know, whenever I...

would pray to Caylee,
which I do every day,

I says, you know, "Someday,"
I said,

"I'm gonna get the answers...
[sighs]

to be with you
and have a pure heart..."

Aah!

...and I got pure heart.

Your husband should be

considered a trustworthy man
based on these results.

Right. I never felt otherwise
about that.

I was adamant
that he never touched her.

I was adamant that he never
had anything to do with C--

I saw his pain every day,
not knowing where Caylee was.

We've been linked together
for 43 years,

and his burden is my burden.

And I feel--I feel in my body
a release of his burden.

And I'm so happy for him.

This feels so momentous.

-[Cindy] It is.
-[George] It is.

And incredibly sad
at the same time.

It is.

I wanna know what it is

you would like to say
to your daughter.

You owe your dad a big apology.
I'll never forgive her.

I will always love her.
I will always wish her well.

And I hope someday
she has peace.

But I hope she someday finds
the truth and accepts the truth.

Not her truth, the real truth.

George, uh,
same question to you.

What do you wanna say
to your daughter?

♪♪

Casey, I love you.

I don't like you at all
for what you put Caylee through,

your mom, me...

your brother.

It hurts so bad to know
that I...

I have felt so many times
I wanted to end my life

because of this, and, uh...

Just know that...

you blew it.

You blew it with this family.

I'm very confident
with the results.

I have no doubt that George
and Cindy passed their exams.

They did everything
they were supposed to do.

We're never gonna know
everything

that happened in that family.

When I learned
of Casey's allegations,

I watched her--
her, uh, documentary.

And she, to me, did not--
did not come across as credible.

There was a lot of other things
about her--about her demeanor

that suggest that perhaps
the truth was not on her side.

But I-I...

probably shouldn't comment
anymore on that

without talking to her
face to face.

How does your life change,

essentially,
from this moment on?

Well, I'll tell you right now,
I'll be able to walk outside,

go some places
with my wife a little bit more,

hold my head up high,
have a smile on my face.

[fussing]

Even though
I lost my granddaughter

that I will never see
until the day I die,

and hopefully I'll be with her.

Bye!

[airplane roaring overhead]

George did lose
a big part of who he was.

Our family was a masterpiece.

And our masterpiece started
the day that George and I met.

And I'm hoping
we can get that masterpiece

even more beautiful

or fill in the darkness
that fell on our masterpiece.

Today is a, you know,
like a new beginning,

and I know
I've got my husband back.

That's enough to make me cry
tears of happiness.

[voice breaking] Maybe I can
have some happiness in my life.

Whew. [exhales deeply]

Having a polygraph test...

[scoffs] it's made me
feel like me again.

I have my life back again.
I have my life back.

I could be happy again.

The truth is on your side.