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This film is based on
minutes from a meeting
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which has gone down in history
as the Wannsee Conference.
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The so-called statesmen of the enemy spoke.
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They could allow themselves to be
silent, because their cannons spoke.
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And their soldiers won
victories on a tremendous scale,
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which is unparalleled in history.
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It is a pleasure for us as Berliners
to express our warm gratitude
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to you, my Führer, on behalf
of the entire German people.
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I think I speak for the whole
people when I say, my Führer:
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We stood by your side when they were
silent, in difficult and in happy moments,
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and we will stand with
you through all disasters
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till the proud hour of our victory...
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Berlin, war winter 1942.
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The persecution and murder of Europe's
Jewish population began a long time ago.
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On January 20, the highest
representatives of the SS meet,
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The NSDAP and the ministerial bureaucracy
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at a conference in a
villa at Großer Wannsee.
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The person who invited to this
breakfast meeting is Reinhard Heydrich,
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the head of the National
Security Agency, RSHA.
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On the agenda is "the final
solution to the Jewish question".
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- Hail Hitler. - Good morning.
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- Has Obergruppenführer Heydrich landed?
- No.
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Notify me when he does. Who is here?
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Dr. Freisler, Secretary of State Neumann
and Herr Luther of the State Department.
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I can't keep them waiting...
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- Where is Obersturmbannführer Eichmann?
- In the meeting room.
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Please go ahead.
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Entertain the gentlemen with
some civilized conversation.
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Tell stories from the East.
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The Secretary of State
may find them distasteful.
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You can handle it.
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- Comrade Eichmann.
- Good morning, Gruppenführer.
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- It looks orderly.
- We are almost done.
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Heydrich at the end of the table?
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You to his right, Gruppenführer
Hofmann to his left.
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Then Hofmann will be
happy. And here next to him?
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Ministry of the East:
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Gauleiter Meyer, Dr Leibbrandt and
Dr Bühler from the General Government.
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- We place Meyer a little further away.
- I thought that as a Gauleiter...
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Otherwise he feels too important. Further.
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Dr Schöngarth and Dr Lange.
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Fine.
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- And the desktop riders opposite?
- Yes.
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And you?
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I will sit down with Fräulein Werlemann, so that
we can resolve matters of protocol directly.
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At the side table, I see.
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- I'm glad you're here.
- Me too, Gruppenführer.
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It's different.
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For my part, we can
hold all conferences here.
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- You don't like Herr Eichmann's office?
- I didn't say that.
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Do something about the work
environment, Eichmann. A trip to the zoo.
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I will investigate the possibilities.
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- Did your trip to Theresienstadt go well?
- Very good. I came home last night.
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- Was everything as expected?
- It's not as crowded as people say.
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- That's what I said.
- The new bunk beds work perfectly.
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The inmates are allowed to huddle together.
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First Mölder's plane crash and
now Field Marshal Reichenau.
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I left the coat at the laundry, and now
we already have the next state funeral.
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- A terrible loss, especially now.
- Yes.
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- Apparently a stroke.
- Deep in the Ukrainian forests.
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- What was he doing in the forest?
- Run.
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- In minus 40 degrees, like every morning.
- You're kidding.
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A Reichenau is not stopped by
freezing temperatures. A tough devil.
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40 degrees below zero, good
god. And our men outside Moscow...
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It is not warmer for the Russians.
Moscow falls on Easter at the latest.
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Right, Dr Schöngarth?
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Of course.
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Excuse me.
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- It was a surprise!
- Dr. Schöngarth?
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- I thought you were in Latvia?
- That's me.
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I am here in place of Dr. Stahlecker.
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- You are climbing in the career.
- Well...
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- I'm not happy with conferences.
- You get used to it.
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- Where do you live?
- Here. My room is up there.
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You should have told
me! This is the wish.
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I only arrived last night.
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- Lots of work at your place?
- Yes.
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You are hardly finished with your Jews until
more arrive. 900 more yesterday, Czech.
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Where do you place them? The ghetto in Riga?
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Hardly. We take a walk
in the forest, and that's it.
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- Mr. Kritzinger. - Dr. Klopfer.
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I never thought I would make it!
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Be careful what you say.
The Gestapo is watching us.
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As far as I know, we have
nothing on you, Dr. Klopfer.
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It was a relief.
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- Minister Kritzinger...
- Gruppenführer.
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I didn't know your agency
operates a branch out here.
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- A former factory villa.
- Aryanized?
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Not in this case.
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Gentlemen.
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Obergruppenführer
Heydrich has just landed.
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We start at twelve o'clock
as planned. Notify the kitchen.
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Yes, Obersturmbannführer.
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We expect 90 minutes. Prepare
snacks in the saloon when the doors close.
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- Gauleiter. - Gruppenführer.
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Dr. Buhler.
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- Dr. Leibbrandt.
- Gruppenführer.
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Where have you kidnapped us
to, Müller? It looks downright feudal.
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It is a guest house that belongs to RSHA.
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The East Ministry should also
have a guesthouse at Wannsee.
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I agree.
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Are you doing just as
well in Kraków, Dr. Bühler?
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The General Government has other
concerns: two million Polish Jews.
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- You can say that again.
- We wait in vain for reinforcements.
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- That is why we are here today.
- Governor-General Frank wants results.
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Gentlemen.
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Gruppenführer Müller.
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Dr. Stuckart. Let me
congratulate you on the addition.
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As well informed as always.
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Why are we honored to be here?
Repainting on Prinz-Albrecht-Straße?
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We wanted to give a little change.
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You want to impress us,
but don't get your hopes up.
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The house has central heating.
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- For God's sake!
- Can you orient me?
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Gauleiter Meyer. You must
know him. Ministry of the East.
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- He hasn't introduced himself.
- It will. He thinks he is important.
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Leibbrandt works for him.
He speaks seven languages.
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And next to him?
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Dr. Buhler. I have to constantly
spar with him in Kraków.
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- The General Government. Civil administration.
- And the other costume elves?
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Doubters in service. Secretary of State and stuff
like that. Göring's office for the four-year plan.
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The Ministry of Justice, the National
Chancellery and the Party Chancellery.
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Luther, he's nice.
Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
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- I hope I don't have to remember them all.
- But you must remember him.
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Stucco art. He will be
interior minister one day.
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- Yes, this will be fun.
- It's like a friends night out.
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In the end, it's about who
wears the hat, albeit without beer.
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That was unfortunate.
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- I was wondering if you would come by bicycle.
- I considered it.
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Do you live here by the lake?
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Two kilometers. A beautiful
house. A wonderful family.
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Who is the young man?
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- A Sturmbannführer if I see correctly.
- In this party?
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- They probably both belong to the rough crew.
- Heydrich's "fighting administration".
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I don't want to know what our
soldiers in the east have to experience.
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- Hail Hitler.
- Gruppenführer Hofmann.
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- A pleasure.
- It is my pleasure. And in the east?
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- Too many Jews, but we are working on it.
- That is why we are here today.
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According to the invitation,
Mr. Heydrich is to draw up an overall plan
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to solve the Jewish question. Do
you know more about the matter?
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He seems serious. Otherwise
he wouldn't have invited us here.
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Göring himself entrusted him with it.
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Yes, Heydrich's path to
Reich Marshal has been short.
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- He is an ambitious man.
- That's what I want to say!
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An incredible career, and
he's not even a graduate.
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- He has success. That is the important thing.
- He is welcome to have that.
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But I dislike poachers in
my area of responsibility.
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Let me introduce Sturmbannführer Lange.
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- And you represent...?
- Brigadeführer Stahlecker.
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I know him. Welcome.
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Hail Hitler.
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- Welcome to Berlin.
- How are you?
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- Very good thanks. Did the flight go well?
- Yes.
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- Are all the others here?
- Yes, we are full.
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An excellent idea to invite to a second
breakfast. Now at least they are punctual.
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- How is the mood?
- Dr. Stuckart is as combative as ever.
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Dr. Bühler complains about the
Jews in the General Government.
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As usual, that is.
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Make sure you are well taken care
of in the kitchen, Hauptsturmführer.
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- Do you have the numbers I asked for?
- They are ready in the study.
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I have noted that the accuracy varies.
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An impression of correctness is enough.
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- Gauleiter.
- Obergruppenführer.
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Good morning. Sorry I am late.
My departure in Prague was delayed.
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We have a lot to do.
I'll be there in a minute.
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Mr. Luther. Dr. Lange.
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Excuse me.
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Please close the door.
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Mr. Luther, surely the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
has its own ideas about the Jewish question?
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That's right.
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I hope they are in line
with what we discussed.
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- I don't want to start from scratch.
- Everything is as we have discussed.
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On the whole, it's about
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that we must have full access
to all Jews of all nationalities,
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provided they are within
our sphere of interest.
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The time for international
considerations is over.
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So true.
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The United States and England have taken decisions
against us. The Jews can no longer be used as hostages.
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They should have been taken
from us while it was possible.
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It fits well with our thoughts.
I like the last paragraph best:
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"The measures are carried out in
agreement with the state secret police."
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Our collaboration with Herr Eichmann
has been extremely constructive.
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Maybe it's because I've
also worked in transport.
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I can only imagine the work
that the current measures require.
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I am glad to hear.
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Our tactics in the Jewish question are too
rapid for the delicate sensibilities abroad.
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I like to do a proper job.
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- Can you excuse us for a moment?
- Of course.
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- Recorder?
- Fräulein Werlemann from Eichmann's office.
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- Reliable?
- One hundred percent.
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- Day officer?
- Handpicked people.
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Dr. Lange, come closer.
You don't have to hide.
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I only hear good things from the Baltics.
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The commander of Task Force
A, Brigadeführer Stahlecker,
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as well as Higher SS and Police Commander
in the East, Obergruppenführer Jeckeln,
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has authorized me to inform
you: Estonia is free of Jews.
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Lithuania and Latvia, apart from a few
remaining working Jews, are also free.
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What can I say? Good news.
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May I?
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What is this?
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We have prepared a small sketch
with the quotas achieved so far.
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Task group A is now at 220,000.
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Together with the others,
it will be half a million.
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- It is making progress.
- You've worked hard on this one!
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The drawings were made by a comrade.
We have someone who can do that.
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Only 42,000 in Belarus?
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Unfortunately. It is a large area, and
there is a lack of vehicles and gasoline.
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And the ground is
frozen. We can't dig holes.
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Arquebusing is still possible,
but disposal has stalled.
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- How do you remedy that?
- Stacks, until it thaws again.
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We will soon get rid of
those kinds of bottlenecks.
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The promised gas wagons
are soon on their way to you too.
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- Have the loading problems been solved?
- Problem?
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A comrade from Kulmhof told me. The
Jews do not voluntarily go on the wagons.
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- It often gets restless in the hold.
- Yes, it takes a little fingertip feeling.
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Afterwards they have to go out again. The comrade
says that it is more disgusting than the arquebusing.
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It is still more efficient,
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especially with a full load of
nine to ten units per square meter.
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The wagons are still
only a transitional solution.
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Later you will learn more about
the scope of our current plans.
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I'm looking forward to it.
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Eichmann.
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The transport yesterday from Theresienstadt?
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Completed last night. I
almost missed my flight.
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- Thank you, Sturmbannführer.
- An order is an order.
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You and your comrades are doing a duty to
people and fatherland that few are capable of.
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The future will honor
the heroism of your men.
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- If I can, I'll say hello to them.
- Do so.
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Some of the gentlemen you will meet
are not made of the same wood as us.
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We have inherited remnants of the
previous administration and government.
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The ones Herr Müller calls
them "Christmas Santas".
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Dr. Schöngarth has
warned me. I will be discreet.
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It's not necessary. They should be told what
they are participating in. That closes the ranks.
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I understand. A question of dosage.
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Right. A question of dosage.
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But shouldn't my place be here?
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- Here, Gauleiter.
- Would you be so kind?
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- Here we are again talking about the Jews.
- It looks like that.
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An extremely unpleasant topic.
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Thanks.
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- Dr. Stuckart.
- Undersecretary of State Luther.
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Did your audience end well?
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You should not be jealous. I heard
that you yourself were a guest in Prague.
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I represented the interests of
the Home Office, not the RSHA.
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- Water? - Thank you, please.
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Herr Gauleiter, Secretary of
State, Comrades of the SS.
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I am pleased that you accepted
my invitation at such short notice.
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We preferred it to a dusty office,
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so that we are not disturbed by
telephones and the running of the advisers.
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And if your agencies would like to enjoy
the convenience here, one night costs…
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Eichmann, help me.
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Five reiksmark per night and person.
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- What an offer!
- So that's why we're here.
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RSHA is looking for new sources of funding.
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Anything helps, Mister
Gauleiter. Joking aside.
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Regarding the reason for our gathering,
I would like to draw your attention
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to the letter from Reich Marshal
Göring which is attached to my invitation.
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There, the Reich Marshal tasks me to:
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"Make preparations in organizational,
factual and material terms
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for a comprehensive solution
to Europe's Jewish question."
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I am instructed to involve all
concerned central authorities
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to produce an overall draft.
So that's you, gentlemen.
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- That is why we are here today.
- Add a copy to the minutes.
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- May I ask...
- Already, Dr. Freisler?
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Just a trifle.
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The assignment is dated to July last
year. Why is it only happening now?
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As you know, for a few months I have been
dividing my time between Berlin and Prague.
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My duties as Deputy National
Protector occupy much of my time.
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The Czechs offer stubborn resistance.
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It was expected. The
slaves are recalcitrant.
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A meeting in December was made
impossible by the military developments:
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Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor,
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The Führer's declaration of war against the United
States and the Russian counter-offensive in the East.
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After all, the Russians have
decided to offer resistance.
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It won't help him.
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I have been asked to present
an overall draft regarding,
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and I quote the Reich Marshal again:
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"The Implementation of the Final
Solution to the Jewish Question."
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The overall solution to the
Jewish question is just that:
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The final solution to the Jewish question.
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Our preparations have thus
been extensive and complicated,
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which has caused some delays.
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- Thanks for the information. I understand.
- Have I understood the matter correctly?
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So we are no longer just
talking about the national Jews?
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- Do the new plans apply to all of Europe?
- That's right.
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The Jewish question can only be considered
solved after a total biological cleansing
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of all Jewry up to the Ural Mountains.
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That is the goal, the task
that fate has set before us.
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All over Europe...
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It's a whole new perspective.
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The goal has been around for a long time. The
new thing is that we are now dealing with it.
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It is not unexpected. I was at the
Führer's house a few weeks ago.
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Then he said clearly that he
wanted the Jewish question resolved.
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As he predicted in the Riksdag:
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"If international Jewry once again
plunges the people into a world war,
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then the result will not be a
Bolshevization of the world,
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without an annihilation of
the Jewish race in Europe."
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This is the falsification of prophecy.
The Jews want war and will have it.
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The destiny of Judaism is
fulfilled, which is hard but deserved.
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Pity or remorse is thus
completely inappropriate.
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We don't need any presentations. Most
people here are familiar with each other.
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Except our Sturmbannführer here.
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Dr. Stuckart?
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I just wanted to point out that I
am not personally familiar with him.
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- Dr. Lange, would you be so kind?
- Sturmbannführer, Dr. Rudolf Lange.
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Head of the security police
and intelligence service in Latvia.
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I represent Dr. Stahlecker,
who sends greetings to all of you.
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Then it was settled.
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- Isn't Latvia our territory?
- That's right.
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Our operational area is in
the Rikskommissariat Ostland.
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- And yet we haven't met?
- We haven't been given the opportunity.
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Then it's time. We want to know
who moves in our area of responsibility.
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I will arrange it as soon as possible.
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This might interest the gentlemen:
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Thanks to the combined efforts of the
Ministry of the East and the task forces
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can Estonia be considered Jew-free.
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Dr. Lange has already notified me.
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You will soon be able to read a report
on the situation for the task forces.
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You are welcome to take a look at it later.
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- If I may ask a question...
- Is it a short question?
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- It applies to Dr. Lange's area of responsibility.
- You are welcome.
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As you write in your invitation have
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Jewish transport
increased in recent months,
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both from the kingdom and from the protectorate,
this according to your report IV B4
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and your Jewish expert
Obersturmbannführer Eichmann.
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That's right.
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There appear to have been
irregularities during these transports.
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The Rikskansliet holds documents
from November, from Riga.
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Can you get to the point?
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At efforts in the Rigattot
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to prepare a certain relief,
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a transport of Jews from Berlin was
included in an ongoing special treatment.
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We know that. What else?
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The incident has also been
discussed at the Ministry of the Interior,
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with a certain inability to understand.
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I beg you. Judaism has
forced this war on us.
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One must recognize the world-historical
necessity of fighting back.
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One cannot anxiously ask whether
individual Jews bear personal guilt.
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You see, gentlemen... We
are warm and cozy here.
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But in the East it is often less orderly.
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It is not possible to get an up-to-date order
from Berlin for each individual decision.
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I know. I was a soldier in World War.
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Then you know that our units are
sometimes forced to improvise at the front.
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Here we are talking about a
thousand people, from Berlin.
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What would we do? We couldn't throw them out
into the snow and let them freeze to death.
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I have great confidence in
the judgment of your men.
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They solve things in
the spirit of the Führer.
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Let's be honest:
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What was forbidden in November
is allowed in December, so please.
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The Germans don't care if
Ukrainian or Latvian Jews die.
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But each of these thousand Reich Jews has
relatives, acquaintances and friends in Berlin.
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It leads to irritation and questions.
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And the Rikskansliet cannot
always provide correct information.
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00:29:50,164 --> 00:29:53,509
We also feel that way
at the Ministry of Justice.
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The rumors have also led to
suicides among German Jews,
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which leads to great
concern among the population.
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I am not worried about Jewish suicides.
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It has happened that
non-Jews have been deported,
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or Jews who fought on Germany's side
in the World War, some highly decorated.
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The Gestapo in particular doesn't
seem to be following their own guidelines.
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Regrettable initial mishaps.
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That is precisely why we have gathered
here today, to hear all your concerns.
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Reichsmarschalk Göring, who I
speak for here, recently criticized
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that Jewish skilled workers are transported
from factories important for rearmament.
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It cannot, especially at this critical
stage of the war, be in our interest.
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I understand. The Marshal criticizes
one aspect of what he otherwise welcomes.
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- Regarding the current transports...
- Dr. Bühler, can it wait?
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00:30:53,398 --> 00:30:57,530
The Führer promised Governor
General Frank several months ago
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that the General Government would
be Jew-free in the foreseeable future.
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- But our ghettos are still full of explosives.
- Show me someone who is better off.
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We also run the risk of not
being able to feed all the Jews.
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One wonders if the most humane
thing would not be for non-working Jews
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eliminated with a fast-acting agent.
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00:31:18,958 --> 00:31:22,046
It's more pleasant than starving to death.
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00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:25,159
Financially speaking,
absolutely right. It is war.
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Why waste precious resources on the Jews?
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00:31:29,355 --> 00:31:33,506
We in the General Government are certainly
capable of solving the problem ourselves.
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We have already taken steps in the
direction of Mr. Brack's euthanasia actions.
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There are procedures,
although not completely harmless.
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That's why you should let us handle it.
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00:31:48,656 --> 00:31:50,722
We are already working with Mr. Brack.
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His people provide
knowledge and equipment.
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In the Litzmannstadt ghetto, it has
already provided noticeable relief.
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We hope to hear more about these measures
today. At least that's what we were promised.
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I realize that we live in turbulent times.
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In recent months, we have begun
tremendous development on many levels,
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and sometimes progress is
faster than we have anticipated,
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not least because areas of
responsibility often overlap.
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Welcome to Berlin, where everyone seems to
think they are responsible for everything.
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That is the German thoroughness.
We should consider it a virtue.
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Sure, but so that our virtue
doesn't become an obstacle
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a faster decision-making
process is required.
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We have to make sure we
follow parallel lines, so to speak.
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I state, also with regard to
Reich Marshal Göring's letter,
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that from now on lies the leadership of
the final solution of the Jewish question,
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regardless of geographical boundaries,
with Reichsführer-SS, Heinrich Himmler
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and with his authorization the
head of the National Security Board,
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that is, my little person.
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So can I inform the Minister of the Interior that
the RSHA is now making the Jewish laws themselves?
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- It would be easier.
- Don't worry, Dr. Stuckart.
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- You will participate in the decision-making process.
- Or be informed about decisions already made?
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00:33:41,757 --> 00:33:46,620
Don't you want to listen to our
Obergruppenführer's plans first?
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Before you feel excluded?
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What I feel does not belong here.
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00:33:51,875 --> 00:33:56,030
I am asking based on a responsibility
for my ministry's areas of competence.
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00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:02,593
I'm surprised I'm the only
one. You then, Mr. Luther?
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- Or the gentlemen from the Ministry of the East.
- How so?
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00:34:06,027 --> 00:34:11,204
You have complained that Berlin interferes in
your Jewish affairs, and now you are silent.
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00:34:11,230 --> 00:34:18,218
- Right now you are getting involved in our Jewish affairs.
- Dr. Bühler, do you see the same in Kraków?
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00:34:18,243 --> 00:34:22,405
If the final solution means
that we finally get rid of our Jews
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am I ready to follow our
Obergruppenführer's lead.
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And that's exactly how it should be. We
will solve your Jewish problems for you!
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After today, you will all agree that only
the National Security Supervisory Board
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is capable of solving the Jewish question,
organizationally as well as practically.
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We have the resources, methods,
organization and experience required
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and people with enough determination.
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If you do not agree after today,
I will gladly hand over the task.
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It's not that we don't have enough work.
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- So if you let me continue...
- Of course.
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A brief retrospective: Since 1933, we
have waged a battle against Judaism
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and succeeded in repressing
the Jews from German society.
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00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:24,964
The Jewish race is recognized as
foreign to the body of the German people,
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thanks, among other things, to the actions of
the Central Agency for Race and Settlement.
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00:35:30,892 --> 00:35:35,398
The Jewish laws have made the harmful
influence of the Jews on our community
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practically impossible.
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00:35:38,536 --> 00:35:44,256
With legislation such as
Dr. Stuckart's Nuremberg Laws...
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I was just a co-author.
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00:35:46,374 --> 00:35:52,071
With the goal of clearing the Jews
out of German social life by legal means
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we have had a large
number of Jews emigrate.
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- Obersturmbannführer.
- So far it is around 537,000.
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00:36:02,821 --> 00:36:08,749
Not least thanks to Obersturmbannführer
Eichmann's organizational efforts.
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00:36:08,774 --> 00:36:12,921
My agency is also only part of
Gruppenführer Müller's Gestapo department.
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00:36:12,946 --> 00:36:15,011
It was nothing.
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In principle, the acceleration of the
Jewish exodus was not a bad idea.
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Let them exert their
harmful influence elsewhere.
436
00:36:23,580 --> 00:36:26,489
But emigration is no longer an option.
437
00:36:26,514 --> 00:36:29,607
They don't want them abroad either.
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00:36:29,632 --> 00:36:33,771
And we must not increase the
enemy's forces in time of war.
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00:36:33,796 --> 00:36:38,997
What happened to the idea of sending them
to Madagascar? Then the world had let them go.
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00:36:39,022 --> 00:36:43,974
Shelved, as long as England
has dominion over the seas.
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00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,762
- The same applies to the marshlands of Siberia.
- At least as long as the Russians stand in the way.
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00:36:49,132 --> 00:36:55,368
Therefore, Reichsführer-SS and Chief of the
German Police, Heinrich Himmler, forbade
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the exodus of Jews in October.
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And now we turn our attention to what I like
to call "the opportunities in the East".
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In the east, thanks to the
work of our task forces, we have
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about half a million Jews who
have received special treatment.
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We have gained experience that
will be important for the final solution.
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00:37:19,673 --> 00:37:24,865
So instead of emigration, another
possible solution has emerged.
449
00:37:24,890 --> 00:37:29,937
Let us call it the evacuation
of the Jews to the East,
450
00:37:29,963 --> 00:37:35,169
to bring them to the final solution
with the methods of the East.
451
00:37:36,132 --> 00:37:38,413
- Sorry, Obergruppenführer.
- Dr. Lange?
452
00:37:38,438 --> 00:37:40,516
- So we're going to accept more Jews?
- No.
453
00:37:40,947 --> 00:37:45,124
You deal with the Eastern Jews who
are added when the front is moved forward.
454
00:37:45,703 --> 00:37:50,898
The major measures that are planned
go through the Higher SS and Police Chief.
455
00:37:51,297 --> 00:37:54,413
And how big are the big measures?
456
00:37:54,618 --> 00:37:59,837
The spaces of the final solution
will also relieve the task forces.
457
00:38:00,098 --> 00:38:03,449
"Evacuation to the Premises
of the Final Solution",
458
00:38:03,474 --> 00:38:09,726
Does that mean special
treatment for all European Jews?
459
00:38:11,329 --> 00:38:16,520
Listen now, but then forget it
immediately. That's exactly right.
460
00:38:16,545 --> 00:38:20,981
May I ask where these spaces are located?
461
00:38:21,007 --> 00:38:27,434
- Not with us. That was not the case.
- With us, in the General Government.
462
00:38:27,652 --> 00:38:29,714
At least I assume so.
463
00:38:29,967 --> 00:38:34,121
It is built in the area around Lublin
under Brigadeführer Globocnik.
464
00:38:34,545 --> 00:38:39,145
Thus we get rid of some of the Jews who
have gathered in the General Government,
465
00:38:39,433 --> 00:38:42,019
around Bełżec and Sobibór.
466
00:38:42,044 --> 00:38:45,165
The capacity is also to be
expanded in eastern Upper Silesia,
467
00:38:45,776 --> 00:38:48,876
near the village of
Auschwitz. More on that later.
468
00:38:49,168 --> 00:38:54,531
Dr. Bühler, didn't the Governor-General
desperately want to get rid of the Jews?
469
00:38:54,846 --> 00:38:59,742
- And now he gets more?
- Why do our Jews interest you right now?
470
00:38:59,768 --> 00:39:04,890
- You receive the news with great calmness.
- The Obergruppenführer has explained:
471
00:39:04,916 --> 00:39:10,175
We don't have to deal with the Jews
in the final solution. They don't stop.
472
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:16,991
It's real. Do not worry. You
will practically not notice it.
473
00:39:17,017 --> 00:39:20,595
But you spoke of all the Jews of Europe.
474
00:39:20,621 --> 00:39:23,766
- A good knitting line.
- Obersturmbannführer...
475
00:39:40,020 --> 00:39:44,850
The map shows the current political
and military situation in Europe.
476
00:39:45,461 --> 00:39:49,004
Here in the east, the current front line.
477
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:52,178
The red is the kingdom's
territory at the outbreak of war.
478
00:39:52,543 --> 00:39:55,024
The pink are incorporated areas:
479
00:39:55,049 --> 00:39:59,192
Formerly Western Poland,
the Czech Republic and Austria.
480
00:40:00,072 --> 00:40:04,539
Further east in white, the eastern
territories under German civil administration:
481
00:40:04,565 --> 00:40:07,519
Ostland, Ukraine and the General Government.
482
00:40:07,544 --> 00:40:11,694
Vertically dashed in red are territories
that we have occupied militarily:
483
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,758
Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium,
484
00:40:15,904 --> 00:40:20,278
northern France, Serbia and Greece.
485
00:40:20,304 --> 00:40:24,967
And dashed horizontally, countries
that are allies or where we have influence:
486
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:29,584
Italy, the Vichy regime, Hungary, Romania,
487
00:40:29,610 --> 00:40:33,741
Bulgaria, Albania, Croatia and Slovakia.
488
00:40:33,767 --> 00:40:37,952
- We practically have Europe in our hands.
- And we have only just begun.
489
00:40:39,038 --> 00:40:41,928
- And the black dots are...
- Jews.
490
00:40:41,954 --> 00:40:46,410
The density seems to indicate the
concentration of the Jewish population.
491
00:40:46,436 --> 00:40:47,636
That's right.
492
00:40:47,776 --> 00:40:51,924
The further east we look, the more
compact the Jewish resistance becomes,
493
00:40:52,408 --> 00:40:55,964
above all in former Poland and
areas that belonged to the Soviet Union.
494
00:40:56,303 --> 00:40:59,976
After all, they have been
spreading there for centuries.
495
00:41:00,003 --> 00:41:05,193
Behind the front lines in the fog of war, we
have already reduced concentration significantly.
496
00:41:05,219 --> 00:41:10,091
- But there is still much to do.
- The task appears to be too ambitious.
497
00:41:10,450 --> 00:41:15,297
I consider myself an expert in
the field, but I cannot overview
498
00:41:15,322 --> 00:41:18,440
how many Jews are we talking about.
499
00:41:19,148 --> 00:41:22,265
We are talking about eleven million.
500
00:41:25,308 --> 00:41:30,524
This list shows how Judaism is
distributed between individual countries.
501
00:41:31,578 --> 00:41:36,065
Within the Reich we
still have 130,000 Jews.
502
00:41:36,091 --> 00:41:39,194
Numerically manageable,
but politically complicated.
503
00:41:39,610 --> 00:41:43,297
The largest items: the General
Government with 2.3 million.
504
00:41:43,323 --> 00:41:46,428
The Soviet Union has the
most, around five million.
505
00:41:46,454 --> 00:41:51,646
In the Balkans, I quickly
count around 1.6 million,
506
00:41:51,818 --> 00:41:54,714
and almost a million more throughout France.
507
00:41:54,942 --> 00:41:57,020
The numbers are higher than expected.
508
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,482
Non-occupied countries such as England
and Switzerland are also listed here.
509
00:42:01,508 --> 00:42:08,097
Of course. The figures already
paint the coming new order of Europe.
510
00:42:08,322 --> 00:42:13,518
Very good. We must
look beyond the horizon.
511
00:42:14,112 --> 00:42:18,261
- And where do the numbers come from?
- From our archives.
512
00:42:18,287 --> 00:42:20,809
And from representatives of
the Jews in Vienna and Berlin.
513
00:42:20,829 --> 00:42:23,186
The Ministry of Foreign
Affairs has also contributed.
514
00:42:23,206 --> 00:42:26,350
- Are the numbers reliable?
- They should roughly match.
515
00:42:27,207 --> 00:42:31,919
- These are incredible numbers.
- May I quickly put it into perspective?
516
00:42:31,945 --> 00:42:35,061
Gladly. Keep it short, please.
517
00:42:38,052 --> 00:42:43,237
We have to consider the
numbers in a larger context.
518
00:42:43,263 --> 00:42:47,415
The final solution to the Jewish
question is only one of the building blocks
519
00:42:47,442 --> 00:42:50,197
in the planned reorganization of Europe.
520
00:42:50,865 --> 00:42:57,495
In the longer term, we are talking about the removal
of all lower races in our sphere of interest.
521
00:42:58,251 --> 00:43:02,401
The movement of people in the
eastern territories must give way
522
00:43:02,427 --> 00:43:09,009
for the Germanization of the conquered living
space in the East through German colonization.
523
00:43:09,722 --> 00:43:15,226
In the end, we are talking about a Europe
characterized by our Germanic culture,
524
00:43:15,781 --> 00:43:21,467
in which non-Germanic peoples
are at most tolerated as labor slaves.
525
00:43:21,492 --> 00:43:25,646
Reading and writing at primary school
level. Counting up to one hundred.
526
00:43:26,095 --> 00:43:28,855
We don't need them anymore.
527
00:43:29,828 --> 00:43:32,139
Europe's new order and racial elevation
528
00:43:32,165 --> 00:43:35,279
requiring the repopulation
of hundreds of millions.
529
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:42,872
In comparison, a final solution for eleven
million Jews is downright negligible.
530
00:43:47,552 --> 00:43:51,965
How are you going to control all
these Jews? How will that happen?
531
00:43:51,991 --> 00:43:54,057
I wonder that too.
532
00:43:54,083 --> 00:43:59,255
The transports have just started, and
already we have delays and obstacles.
533
00:43:59,281 --> 00:44:04,215
What will it look like when
eleven million get moving.
534
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:09,846
They do not move. They
are set in motion by us.
535
00:44:10,798 --> 00:44:12,870
I don't want to trivialize it:
536
00:44:12,896 --> 00:44:18,123
We are facing an organizational task
that is unprecedented in world history.
537
00:44:18,783 --> 00:44:20,853
It will proceed as follows:
538
00:44:20,928 --> 00:44:25,085
We plan to comb Europe from west to east.
539
00:44:25,442 --> 00:44:29,570
The evacuated Jews are first
taken to so-called transit ghettos,
540
00:44:29,596 --> 00:44:33,362
and then transported
eastward train by train.
541
00:44:33,388 --> 00:44:37,696
- So from west to east?
- It's true.
542
00:44:37,722 --> 00:44:42,273
I have to hope that the General
Government leads the way.
543
00:44:42,299 --> 00:44:49,057
When the facilities are in place,
shall we first work by our Jews?
544
00:44:49,570 --> 00:44:52,196
- We shall see.
- You must excuse...
545
00:44:52,812 --> 00:44:58,792
We cannot be expected to stand and
watch as trains are full of French Jews
546
00:44:58,818 --> 00:45:02,939
rolling into our territory while our
own country is being choked by Jews.
547
00:45:02,965 --> 00:45:05,969
Do you think it is different with us?
548
00:45:05,995 --> 00:45:08,878
The territory of the German
Reich naturally comes first,
549
00:45:09,458 --> 00:45:13,284
not least because of the housing
shortage after the bombings.
550
00:45:13,310 --> 00:45:19,538
Bohemia-Moravia also takes precedence,
and not because it's my home ground.
551
00:45:19,565 --> 00:45:23,243
Too many Czechs still
think they can get rid of us.
552
00:45:23,269 --> 00:45:27,765
The Jewish-controlled backbone of
the resistance must be quickly broken.
553
00:45:28,006 --> 00:45:32,839
- It is about military necessity.
- I understand them, but still:
554
00:45:32,865 --> 00:45:37,015
A plan with no reduction of our Jews
at the beginning of the Final Solution,
555
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:41,674
and for the record, will not be favorably
received by the Governor-General.
556
00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:47,445
It wasn't said that way. We were promised
relief in our ghettos at the beginning.
557
00:45:47,921 --> 00:45:50,582
We'll see.
558
00:45:51,284 --> 00:45:55,781
If we cannot agree on the order,
559
00:45:55,806 --> 00:45:59,977
then I take the liberty of asking
for a decision from the Führer.
560
00:46:01,654 --> 00:46:07,339
The assets after these eleven
million Jews should be a larger sum.
561
00:46:07,366 --> 00:46:08,828
You have to assume that.
562
00:46:08,854 --> 00:46:14,046
So far, Aryanized assets have gone to
the representatives of the four-year plan.
563
00:46:14,577 --> 00:46:18,426
Shall I inform Reich Marshal
Göring that it will continue like this?
564
00:46:18,452 --> 00:46:23,940
Wait now. The Eastern Ministry still has
access to the assets of the Eastern Jews.
565
00:46:23,965 --> 00:46:27,072
Yes. Our Jews, our money.
566
00:46:27,097 --> 00:46:30,207
First, the money will
finance the transports.
567
00:46:30,232 --> 00:46:35,402
Unfortunately, we have to pay
the Reichsbahn for every Jew.
568
00:46:35,427 --> 00:46:40,619
Now we must not sell the
skin before the bear is shot.
569
00:46:40,893 --> 00:46:43,418
Where do we get transport capacity from?
570
00:46:43,444 --> 00:46:50,368
Good question. The upgrade is already
taking up a lot of the railway and roads.
571
00:46:50,394 --> 00:46:54,584
- Should we have eleven million Jews on the trail?
- And don't forget the military.
572
00:46:55,001 --> 00:46:58,113
The troops must also be
moved, as well as equipment.
573
00:46:58,375 --> 00:47:03,558
We already have supply problems
without the Jewish transports.
574
00:47:03,583 --> 00:47:07,728
If the transports would
impede the war effort,
575
00:47:07,753 --> 00:47:11,896
then the party will advocate dealing
with the Jewish question after the war.
576
00:47:11,922 --> 00:47:15,032
The fight against the Jews
is part of the war effort.
577
00:47:15,057 --> 00:47:19,206
It is not a luxury we indulge in
beyond the military endeavours.
578
00:47:19,623 --> 00:47:22,721
War and race are one and the same.
579
00:47:22,747 --> 00:47:25,462
Where we fight against the
Jews, we fight for the kingdom.
580
00:47:25,483 --> 00:47:32,754
- But we mustn't take on too much.
- Exactly. First victory, and then the Jews.
581
00:47:32,779 --> 00:47:36,922
Gentlemen, while I respect your concerns
582
00:47:36,947 --> 00:47:43,178
is this the wrong time to chastise
the Führer's visions like a potted plant.
583
00:47:43,203 --> 00:47:47,355
Only ten years ago the Jews lived
everywhere among us, almost invisible,
584
00:47:47,380 --> 00:47:50,496
as if they were part of
our community of people.
585
00:47:51,081 --> 00:47:55,223
And look where we are
today, how far we've come.
586
00:47:55,249 --> 00:47:58,837
How the possibilities
are constantly expanding.
587
00:47:58,862 --> 00:48:06,131
Thinking small now because of
false fears would be a fatal mistake.
588
00:48:06,552 --> 00:48:11,735
Right now, we must have the courage
to take big steps and have big visions.
589
00:48:11,761 --> 00:48:15,508
We are at a critical stage of the war.
590
00:48:15,533 --> 00:48:18,633
Russia in the east, the USA
in the west and England at sea.
591
00:48:18,658 --> 00:48:21,776
The war is not an
obstacle, but an opportunity.
592
00:48:21,801 --> 00:48:25,930
War opens up opportunities
that do not exist in peacetime.
593
00:48:25,955 --> 00:48:32,190
Despite all the personal tragedies, war also
provides an opportunity to create realities.
594
00:48:32,215 --> 00:48:38,465
Make a radical intervention in
society and shape it with a big plan.
595
00:48:40,214 --> 00:48:46,484
When a farmer wants to cultivate his field,
he must first drive the spade into the soil.
596
00:48:49,958 --> 00:48:54,105
Perhaps you will get the best answers to
your questions about transport and personnel
597
00:48:54,130 --> 00:48:58,269
when Herr Eichmann informs
us of the concrete process.
598
00:48:58,836 --> 00:49:01,264
As Jewish adviser at agency IV B4
599
00:49:01,291 --> 00:49:07,519
I am responsible for the registration
and transportation of Jews to be deported.
600
00:49:07,681 --> 00:49:09,732
First:
601
00:49:09,758 --> 00:49:15,991
The transport of Jews is to take place piecemeal,
depending on the military developments.
602
00:49:16,170 --> 00:49:19,883
When the Jew is registered with
the police, reported and separated
603
00:49:19,909 --> 00:49:21,990
he is detained at the reference time.
604
00:49:22,277 --> 00:49:27,461
He hands in his house key, signs
over his assets to the kingdom
605
00:49:27,486 --> 00:49:32,667
and sets off with a small suitcase and a
maximum of 50 reiksmark to the collection point,
606
00:49:32,692 --> 00:49:36,833
usually a distant siding, where
he is placed on the wagon.
607
00:49:36,963 --> 00:49:40,079
Why write over the assets?
According to the 11th Ordinance
608
00:49:40,105 --> 00:49:44,011
Jews lose both citizenship and
property when they cross the border.
609
00:49:44,037 --> 00:49:49,963
- The border crossing is not entirely voluntary.
- Bureaucratic formality seems reassuring.
610
00:49:49,989 --> 00:49:55,174
An orderly process, as the Jews
board the trains with a sense of order.
611
00:49:55,345 --> 00:49:56,654
I understand.
612
00:49:56,679 --> 00:50:01,863
The transport is carried out after
coordination with the Ministry of Transport,
613
00:50:01,889 --> 00:50:07,072
the transport management at the
Ordnungspolizei and the Reichsbahn timetable.
614
00:50:07,439 --> 00:50:11,789
For reasons of efficiency and to give
accompanying staff a better overview
615
00:50:11,815 --> 00:50:17,298
transport takes place primarily with freight wagons.
But in the beginning and up to the border of the kingdom
616
00:50:17,324 --> 00:50:22,290
also used by passenger
trains, for optical reasons.
617
00:50:22,690 --> 00:50:28,692
I guess we are informed about the numbers. We
want to know exactly how many people are coming.
618
00:50:28,718 --> 00:50:35,568
Of course. The transports are coordinated
with the respective reception capacity
619
00:50:35,594 --> 00:50:37,670
at the target areas in the east,
620
00:50:37,963 --> 00:50:43,273
whether ghettos, labor camps,
transit camps or direct action.
621
00:50:43,299 --> 00:50:47,737
- How large will our staffing be?
- Personnel is not a problem.
622
00:50:47,762 --> 00:50:51,909
We manage the entire
company with a handful of men.
623
00:50:52,161 --> 00:50:54,230
- Is it true? - Yes.
624
00:50:55,150 --> 00:50:59,010
A train with ten carriages can
easily be guarded by a dozen men.
625
00:50:59,404 --> 00:51:03,401
And how do you avoid the bottlenecks
in transport that we just pointed out?
626
00:51:03,581 --> 00:51:06,509
We don't expect any bottlenecks.
627
00:51:06,534 --> 00:51:12,109
We use goods wagons that previously
transported Russian workers to the kingdom.
628
00:51:12,135 --> 00:51:17,974
They would otherwise roll back empty. We
are practically trading Jews for Russians.
629
00:51:17,999 --> 00:51:23,505
- So we optimize an existing process?
- Yes. This way we avoid empty trains.
630
00:51:23,531 --> 00:51:26,007
- I like that. - I'll be damned.
631
00:51:26,329 --> 00:51:32,576
If I'd had a freight forwarder like Eichmann,
I'd also have a villa like this now.
632
00:51:33,657 --> 00:51:37,794
- Then these questions are also answered.
- In the protocol?
633
00:51:37,819 --> 00:51:40,935
Yes, Obergruppenführer.
Allow me a comment:
634
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:47,171
If through transport we lose Jewish
professionals in the war industry,
635
00:51:47,196 --> 00:51:52,390
and in exchange receive untrained
foreign labor, then there is no profit.
636
00:51:52,740 --> 00:51:57,934
It won't be like that. Those that we
benefit from will remain for the time being.
637
00:51:58,154 --> 00:52:04,384
Overall, utility and workability
will play a greater role.
638
00:52:04,475 --> 00:52:07,616
But if this is not the case,
our patience has run out.
639
00:52:08,047 --> 00:52:12,196
This was done in the insane asylums
and institutions for the disabled.
640
00:52:12,539 --> 00:52:16,284
- We can't afford surprise guests.
- A moment.
641
00:52:16,310 --> 00:52:20,583
It was said that the Jews in the Final
Solution would receive special treatment.
642
00:52:21,431 --> 00:52:23,990
And now you say they should work for us?
643
00:52:24,252 --> 00:52:28,396
We get to decide, if
only for planning reasons.
644
00:52:28,422 --> 00:52:34,110
- Workers must be fed and housed.
- Our plans include both things.
645
00:52:34,135 --> 00:52:41,398
Able-bodied Jews are put to suitable
work in the East under suitable leadership.
646
00:52:41,423 --> 00:52:47,646
They will be led there in work
columns to, for example, build roads.
647
00:52:47,671 --> 00:52:53,913
There they will work for us. Quarrying
stone, draining swamps and so on.
648
00:52:54,336 --> 00:52:59,780
I recommend gender segregation so
as not to exacerbate the Jewish problem.
649
00:52:59,806 --> 00:53:05,378
- That's exactly how it's planned.
- Fine. There is plenty of work.
650
00:53:05,403 --> 00:53:09,546
In deed. The Germanization of
our newly won territories in the East
651
00:53:09,571 --> 00:53:14,867
requires roads, factories, agriculture
and housing for German settlers.
652
00:53:14,893 --> 00:53:19,977
The Reichsführer-SS is also planning major
construction projects to secure the areas.
653
00:53:20,002 --> 00:53:26,242
- So we have to agree.
- But hard manual labor for Jews?
654
00:53:26,267 --> 00:53:30,406
I know from experience that
we shouldn't expect much here.
655
00:53:30,431 --> 00:53:35,145
A majority of Jews work in
commerce or in private occupations.
656
00:53:35,634 --> 00:53:41,877
- Not directly with wall construction.
- We will not spare them. Count on it.
657
00:53:41,902 --> 00:53:46,050
A large part will fall away
due to natural causes.
658
00:53:46,076 --> 00:53:51,253
- It is carefully planned for.
- And the ones that don't fall away?
659
00:53:51,715 --> 00:53:56,158
These accumulated residues will
ultimately be properly processed.
660
00:53:56,185 --> 00:53:59,596
They are arguably the most resilient.
661
00:53:59,621 --> 00:54:02,743
"Properly handled" means...?
662
00:54:02,768 --> 00:54:07,945
Ask first best Jew. He knows the answer.
663
00:54:07,970 --> 00:54:13,147
- Just so we're talking about the same thing.
- I see no alternatives.
664
00:54:13,456 --> 00:54:16,580
The most resistant must
receive special treatment.
665
00:54:16,802 --> 00:54:20,079
They can become the seed
of a new Jewish structure.
666
00:54:20,105 --> 00:54:23,211
History should be a warning to us.
667
00:54:23,424 --> 00:54:28,133
The Romans expelled the Jews throughout
the world, and saw the problem as solved.
668
00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:31,295
- Did they think, yes.
- Now we have to pay the price.
669
00:54:31,873 --> 00:54:38,114
Anyone who wants a healthy public body must
not shy away from eradicating harmful bacteria.
670
00:54:38,205 --> 00:54:44,438
The Jew is the eternal parasite,
spreading under favorable conditions.
671
00:54:44,605 --> 00:54:48,762
A rotten mold that grows on
the cultures of healthy people.
672
00:54:48,788 --> 00:54:55,015
It is a basic imperative for
ethnic, national and social hygiene
673
00:54:55,041 --> 00:54:59,172
to completely eradicate the disease.
674
00:54:59,198 --> 00:55:02,346
We intend to be thorough
and without exception.
675
00:55:03,218 --> 00:55:08,924
You have only spoken of able-bodied Jews.
What is the plan for those who are not?
676
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:13,569
Good question. Considering the conditions
in our ghettos, it should be half.
677
00:55:13,595 --> 00:55:17,803
- If not more.
- We are gradually getting rid of them.
678
00:55:17,828 --> 00:55:20,941
The necessary capacity
is currently being built.
679
00:55:21,656 --> 00:55:27,881
Then the goal of the journey is the
same for all Jews, able-bodied or not.
680
00:55:27,907 --> 00:55:29,285
Exactly.
681
00:55:30,083 --> 00:55:37,339
The solution to this problem will
involve many personal tragedies,
682
00:55:37,747 --> 00:55:43,867
but it is inevitable. This is the right time
for a final solution to the Jewish question.
683
00:55:43,893 --> 00:55:49,597
Later generations will lack the power
of action and the awakened instinct.
684
00:55:49,623 --> 00:55:56,816
What for us is a burden becomes for our
descendants an advantage and a happiness.
685
00:55:56,842 --> 00:56:00,985
- I already see a problem.
- About what?
686
00:56:01,012 --> 00:56:06,807
Special treatment for
non-working Jews means old, right?
687
00:56:06,832 --> 00:56:13,105
And precisely among them are the Jews
who fought for Germany in the World War.
688
00:56:14,318 --> 00:56:20,242
- Side by side with those of us who were there.
- I don't remember fighting with Jews.
689
00:56:20,268 --> 00:56:23,897
- No distinction was made then.
- You probably didn't even notice it.
690
00:56:24,346 --> 00:56:29,537
Considering this problem, we have
found a simple but effective method.
691
00:56:29,766 --> 00:56:30,966
Eichmann.
692
00:56:33,949 --> 00:56:37,421
Citizens over the age of 65,
693
00:56:37,447 --> 00:56:41,461
Jews who were badly wounded during
the war or those who were decorated
694
00:56:41,487 --> 00:56:45,384
are not evacuated directly, but
transferred to ghettos for the elderly.
695
00:56:45,409 --> 00:56:50,592
With this solution, many interventions
are eliminated in one fell swoop.
696
00:56:50,853 --> 00:56:55,007
And where will this ghetto for old
people be located? Does it also fall on us?
697
00:56:55,131 --> 00:56:57,738
Don't worry, you don't
have to do it all alone.
698
00:56:57,915 --> 00:57:01,037
The intended is
Theresienstadt in my area.
699
00:57:01,062 --> 00:57:05,192
I don't want to be blamed
later for not contributing
700
00:57:05,217 --> 00:57:07,279
I would never suggest that.
701
00:57:07,304 --> 00:57:12,504
Eichmann last visited Theresienstadt
yesterday. The rebuilding is already underway.
702
00:57:12,529 --> 00:57:17,711
Soon, several tens of thousands of
Jews will be accommodated there.
703
00:57:17,736 --> 00:57:23,966
As it is a former fortress, it is
easy to achieve maximum security.
704
00:57:23,991 --> 00:57:28,150
The site consists of
compact, well-built houses.
705
00:57:28,175 --> 00:57:33,351
It is quite possible that we
can make it a show ghetto.
706
00:57:33,376 --> 00:57:38,570
Incidentally, this solution can be
very reassuring for the population.
707
00:57:39,123 --> 00:57:44,047
Magnificent! We give the Jewish
controlled cruelty propaganda abroad
708
00:57:44,073 --> 00:57:47,952
a concrete counter-evidence:
the invitation to Theresienstadt.
709
00:57:47,977 --> 00:57:52,119
Come and see how the
Germans deal with the Jews.
710
00:57:52,144 --> 00:57:56,754
Won't it be expensive? Housing
for tens of thousands of people?
711
00:57:56,781 --> 00:58:00,481
It is being investigated whether it is possible
to charge the residents for the accommodation,
712
00:58:00,501 --> 00:58:05,674
as well as the Jews we had to emigrate
themselves paid for the transport.
713
00:58:06,139 --> 00:58:08,403
God forbid we pay for the Jews.
714
00:58:08,429 --> 00:58:11,942
But then we still have tens
of thousands of Jews left.
715
00:58:12,779 --> 00:58:16,100
Old Jews, Gruppenführer.
Propagation is unlikely.
716
00:58:16,125 --> 00:58:19,443
The problem resolves itself biologically.
717
00:58:19,541 --> 00:58:24,453
The old in the ghetto are, of course,
ultimately transferred to the Final Solution.
718
00:58:24,478 --> 00:58:26,536
Then I shouldn't have said anything.
719
00:58:26,943 --> 00:58:32,134
Then my people will make
Theresienstadt a fantastic German colony.
720
00:58:32,271 --> 00:58:37,467
Then it was settled too.
I suggest a short break.
721
00:58:37,493 --> 00:58:41,122
You have got an idea of
the basic features of our plan,
722
00:58:41,147 --> 00:58:45,306
but two points await us which
are more ministerial matters.
723
00:58:45,851 --> 00:58:51,065
You can stock up in the salon,
and we'll continue in ten minutes.
724
00:58:55,743 --> 00:58:57,842
There is much that awaits us.
725
00:59:19,325 --> 00:59:25,148
- All the Jews of Europe. Who expected that?
- In accordance with the Führer's vision.
726
00:59:25,174 --> 00:59:31,405
You will be able to tell your grandchildren
that you witnessed world history.
727
00:59:31,980 --> 00:59:34,527
Helped shape, I would say.
728
00:59:34,569 --> 00:59:37,673
Am I seeing right? Salmon slices?
729
00:59:37,927 --> 00:59:42,103
Availability at RSHA appears to be good.
730
00:59:49,526 --> 00:59:51,586
Very friendly. Thanks.
731
00:59:51,612 --> 00:59:56,199
- No one should complain about our working environment anymore.
- No the opposite.
732
00:59:56,224 --> 01:00:01,411
- Just think about our last music night.
- How could I forget?
733
01:00:01,437 --> 01:00:06,638
I would say we have a lot of fun. We
laugh more than in other departments.
734
01:00:06,663 --> 01:00:09,763
I am glad to hear.
735
01:00:10,129 --> 01:00:15,324
It's starting to move. Heydrich
has a firm grip on the helm.
736
01:00:15,618 --> 01:00:20,190
He makes it look like the
chaos of the last few months
737
01:00:20,215 --> 01:00:22,852
was part of a great plan
that is now being initiated.
738
01:00:22,878 --> 01:00:25,407
Don't you think so?
739
01:00:25,431 --> 01:00:30,613
I would say one third
plan, two thirds chaos.
740
01:00:30,638 --> 01:00:34,793
And the chaos is now plainly
declared to have been part of the plan.
741
01:00:34,818 --> 01:00:39,996
The pressure rises. Everyone wants to get
rid of their Jews, but no one wants them.
742
01:00:40,282 --> 01:00:42,662
Nobody wants to be a Jew today either.
743
01:00:44,183 --> 01:00:46,605
- Gauleiter. - Dr. Freisler.
744
01:00:47,112 --> 01:00:50,212
You said earlier that you
were at the Führer's house.
745
01:00:50,238 --> 01:00:53,555
In December, at a meeting with
national and party district leaders.
746
01:00:53,580 --> 01:00:56,687
- Interesting? - What, exactly?
747
01:00:57,256 --> 01:01:02,627
It may sound incredible, but I
have never met our Führer in person.
748
01:01:02,653 --> 01:01:05,015
- Thus. - Oh really?
749
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:10,227
Do you think you could
put in a good word for me,
750
01:01:10,253 --> 01:01:13,683
for a meeting with the Führer? Anywhere.
751
01:01:13,709 --> 01:01:16,835
Of course. I would love to.
752
01:01:20,144 --> 01:01:24,304
- Shall I bring you something?
- No thanks.
753
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:31,385
They seem to have
swallowed the bitterest pills.
754
01:01:31,411 --> 01:01:35,539
That we decide on the timing
and extent of the evacuations.
755
01:01:35,565 --> 01:01:39,724
We're not done yet. Don't
underestimate Dr. Stuckart.
756
01:01:40,237 --> 01:01:43,088
We haven't gotten to his favorite subject.
757
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:59,036
- I must admit that you surprised me.
- Then my visit here is already worthwhile.
758
01:01:59,063 --> 01:02:03,616
You are told that you will get millions
of new Jews and keep the mask.
759
01:02:03,642 --> 01:02:08,828
It was an agreement. You
approve of his leadership,
760
01:02:08,854 --> 01:02:14,061
and he gives you the promise to
begin the final solution at your doorstep.
761
01:02:14,915 --> 01:02:19,055
- I hope Heydrich keeps it.
- What do you mean?
762
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,017
- It is an honor that it happens with us.
- I know.
763
01:02:22,043 --> 01:02:27,220
The Jewish question is the Führer's
pet child. Everyone wants to keep it.
764
01:02:27,418 --> 01:02:32,615
I know Frank. He will eat you if you
return to Kraków without promises.
765
01:02:33,307 --> 01:02:37,445
Governor-General Frank is
happy to receive ten thousand Jews
766
01:02:37,486 --> 01:02:39,838
if we get rid of twenty
thousand in the same breath.
767
01:02:39,858 --> 01:02:43,579
- A deep breath.
- We were promised large-scale measures.
768
01:02:43,605 --> 01:02:46,725
I heard that.
769
01:02:52,872 --> 01:02:56,001
I am not authorized to speak about it.
770
01:03:28,449 --> 01:03:30,531
Peacefully.
771
01:03:31,594 --> 01:03:33,678
Very.
772
01:03:35,876 --> 01:03:39,340
Heinz Rühmann lives here somewhere.
773
01:03:39,365 --> 01:03:41,455
Speer too.
774
01:03:43,016 --> 01:03:47,184
Down there is Max Liebermann's villa.
775
01:03:48,741 --> 01:03:52,917
- The painter.
- I know. Jewish Impressionist.
776
01:03:54,997 --> 01:03:58,117
- You are an educated man.
- And it surprises you.
777
01:03:58,776 --> 01:04:02,912
- Considering my duties in the East.
- You often hear that.
778
01:04:02,939 --> 01:04:06,061
Occasionally.
779
01:04:07,532 --> 01:04:13,741
Could you have dreamed it? That you
would suddenly change your desk in Berlin
780
01:04:13,766 --> 01:04:16,876
against service in Poland?
781
01:04:17,398 --> 01:04:22,624
You get to experience what is decided
behind the desk. What is wrong with that?
782
01:04:25,246 --> 01:04:28,375
What is happening in the east...
783
01:04:30,452 --> 01:04:35,985
One hears that it is degenerating.
Brutality. Arquebusing pits.
784
01:04:36,409 --> 01:04:40,860
I see it as a craft. You
learn and then you can.
785
01:04:40,885 --> 01:04:42,952
Some better, others worse.
786
01:04:43,415 --> 01:04:46,522
How are your men doing?
787
01:04:46,548 --> 01:04:51,751
Every day these promotions. Entire villages.
788
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,105
We emphasize the necessity of the mission.
789
01:04:57,131 --> 01:05:01,400
The rest is done through habit
and an extra ration of brandy.
790
01:05:01,627 --> 01:05:04,853
The brandy blurs the
impressions from the day.
791
01:05:05,626 --> 01:05:10,314
You must intervene only when they
bellow during work. They shoot wrong.
792
01:05:10,340 --> 01:05:13,531
Then the half-dead fight their
way out of the pits during the night,
793
01:05:13,821 --> 01:05:17,973
and you have to shoot
them again the next morning.
794
01:05:18,924 --> 01:05:24,112
- I didn't mean to offend you.
- You were in the trenches yourself, weren't you?
795
01:05:24,139 --> 01:05:29,325
We shot at soldiers, not
at women and children.
796
01:05:29,351 --> 01:05:32,449
I have a husband who
prefers to shoot children,
797
01:05:32,475 --> 01:05:36,626
since they wouldn't survive
without their parents anyway.
798
01:05:36,652 --> 01:05:40,793
He thinks he is doing the children a favor.
799
01:05:40,819 --> 01:05:43,947
It makes sense, doesn't it?
800
01:05:58,612 --> 01:06:01,736
The conference continues.
801
01:06:18,888 --> 01:06:24,080
I hope you feel empowered. We
now come to a central question,
802
01:06:24,105 --> 01:06:28,253
namely the determination of which
groups are suitable for evacuation.
803
01:06:28,278 --> 01:06:32,425
Which ones are current for our
transports and which are not?
804
01:06:32,450 --> 01:06:35,551
Clarification is needed here
regarding Jews living abroad,
805
01:06:35,576 --> 01:06:37,902
Jews of mixed race and intermarriage.
806
01:06:37,928 --> 01:06:39,736
I cannot agree.
807
01:06:39,761 --> 01:06:44,663
Jews of mixed race and intermarriage
are regulated by our Jewish laws.
808
01:06:44,689 --> 01:06:51,192
- Our perceptions differ.
- But now I'm talking about laws.
809
01:06:51,217 --> 01:06:54,322
For the sake of simplicity,
we start with Jews abroad.
810
01:06:54,347 --> 01:06:59,567
Under Secretary of State
Luther, please brief us.
811
01:07:00,616 --> 01:07:02,669
Foreign Jews.
812
01:07:02,694 --> 01:07:07,890
About 40,000 Jews with foreign
passports are on German soil.
813
01:07:07,915 --> 01:07:14,136
- Oh dear! What are some?
- They must know that they are not welcome.
814
01:07:14,161 --> 01:07:19,343
It's mainly about Hungarian, Czech
and maybe Slovak Jews, isn't it?
815
01:07:19,368 --> 01:07:24,557
That's right. We got most of
them at the union with Austria.
816
01:07:24,759 --> 01:07:27,021
Tell us we can change that!
817
01:07:27,047 --> 01:07:31,241
We can, at least when it comes
to citizens of enemy countries.
818
01:07:31,267 --> 01:07:34,925
But for Jews from friendly countries
or countries under our influence
819
01:07:34,959 --> 01:07:40,220
do we see it as polite to at
least ask the governments
820
01:07:40,664 --> 01:07:44,363
if we may include their Jewish
citizens in our companies.
821
01:07:44,389 --> 01:07:47,502
Who would turn down an offer like that?
822
01:07:47,527 --> 01:07:53,162
It's like asking a neighbor if
you can shovel his manure too.
823
01:07:53,188 --> 01:07:58,587
Slovakia and Croatia have agreed.
Romania and Bulgaria are well on their way.
824
01:07:58,613 --> 01:08:02,092
Do they give us free
access to their citizens?
825
01:08:02,117 --> 01:08:05,063
They have no objections.
Only Hungary opposes it,
826
01:08:05,089 --> 01:08:10,774
and Slovakia claims
the assets of the Jews.
827
01:08:10,830 --> 01:08:13,316
- Why doesn't it surprise me?
- Money doesn't smell.
828
01:08:13,342 --> 01:08:18,528
- Maybe we can do them that service.
- The office of the four-year plan?
829
01:08:18,818 --> 01:08:24,003
If it speeds up deportation,
we must not be petty.
830
01:08:24,028 --> 01:08:29,206
- It is likely not large sums.
- Thank you for your courtesy.
831
01:08:29,231 --> 01:08:34,425
You heard. Apart from the Hungarians,
we can get rid of all foreign Jews.
832
01:08:34,450 --> 01:08:39,631
- How is the situation in France?
- Herr Eichmann apparently knows something new here.
833
01:08:39,656 --> 01:08:43,518
The Wehrmacht has accepted the
necessity of our measures of force.
834
01:08:43,544 --> 01:08:50,057
Jews who fled the kingdom have been
interned, and transports will soon begin.
835
01:08:50,082 --> 01:08:52,153
With the French Jews
we should wait a little.
836
01:08:52,173 --> 01:08:55,284
So, Eichmann now works
at the Foreign Ministry?
837
01:08:55,309 --> 01:08:58,400
It is called interministerial cooperation.
838
01:08:58,425 --> 01:09:01,526
Let's stick to the topic.
Belgium? Holland?
839
01:09:01,551 --> 01:09:05,700
Throughout Western and
Southeastern Europe, we can act freely.
840
01:09:05,725 --> 01:09:09,868
- Fine. We will do what is necessary.
- It's been noted.
841
01:09:09,893 --> 01:09:15,082
But I see difficulties in the north.
Denmark, Norway and Finland.
842
01:09:15,107 --> 01:09:16,746
Why right there?
843
01:09:16,772 --> 01:09:23,013
For some reason, it is difficult to convince
the population of the danger of the Jews.
844
01:09:23,942 --> 01:09:25,142
What do you suggest?
845
01:09:25,213 --> 01:09:28,347
Ignore for now. The numbers are dropping.
846
01:09:28,374 --> 01:09:30,452
We don't usually put things off,
847
01:09:31,282 --> 01:09:36,503
but as long as we are busy with
Jews from other countries, it will be fine.
848
01:09:37,001 --> 01:09:38,652
What shall we do with Hungary?
849
01:09:38,830 --> 01:09:45,082
It is time to force on the government one
of our chosen advisers on Jewish matters.
850
01:09:46,388 --> 01:09:51,593
Perhaps one of your staff,
Obersturmbannführer? Can you spare someone?
851
01:09:52,060 --> 01:09:54,311
Maybe I can help?
852
01:09:54,337 --> 01:10:00,550
The Central Bureau of Race and Settlement may
send an assistant to the police attache there.
853
01:10:00,576 --> 01:10:01,885
Sure, why not? So we do.
854
01:10:02,025 --> 01:10:07,235
Excuse. Should our foreign policy
now be shaped by Herr Hofmann's staff?
855
01:10:07,260 --> 01:10:12,433
Don't get excited. We are talking
about an advisor, not a new ambassador.
856
01:10:12,458 --> 01:10:14,534
An adviser with no diplomatic experience.
857
01:10:14,559 --> 01:10:20,773
But he has experience with Jewish
affairs. Surely that must also count?
858
01:10:20,798 --> 01:10:26,001
I am irritated by the liberality with which
some agencies sacrifice their expertise.
859
01:10:26,026 --> 01:10:31,208
It's no big deal to me. The
main thing is that it gets decided.
860
01:10:31,396 --> 01:10:32,954
It would be nice if something went easily.
861
01:10:32,974 --> 01:10:36,415
I don't call the gardener
when I need a roofer.
862
01:10:36,440 --> 01:10:42,082
I refuse that. We have a lot of
people with international experience.
863
01:10:42,108 --> 01:10:45,817
So you see it. I do not
consider all equally suitable.
864
01:10:45,842 --> 01:10:51,018
If you're going to talk about
responsibilities, please stick to yours.
865
01:10:51,294 --> 01:10:54,408
Let Undersecretary Luther do his thing.
866
01:10:54,628 --> 01:10:58,773
We do as we are told. Are
the Jews abroad finished?
867
01:10:58,799 --> 01:11:05,070
It can be relatively easy to present
a Jew-free Serbia to the Führer.
868
01:11:05,096 --> 01:11:09,159
- Interesting. Continue.
- Maybe later in a smaller group?
869
01:11:09,185 --> 01:11:13,359
Better now in a smaller
group. Müller. Eichmann.
870
01:11:28,574 --> 01:11:32,737
- How many are we talking about?
- 6,000-8,000. Only women and children.
871
01:11:32,762 --> 01:11:36,903
- Why no male Jews?
- Already shot as a hostage.
872
01:11:36,928 --> 01:11:42,118
- A hundred dead for one dead German.
- I remember. An effective measure, Eichmann.
873
01:11:42,143 --> 01:11:45,233
Thank you, Obergruppenführer.
874
01:11:45,258 --> 01:11:47,878
- Serbian government?
- We don't have to think about it.
875
01:11:48,381 --> 01:11:50,481
Who do we give the command to?
876
01:11:51,527 --> 01:11:55,703
Maybe Schäfer. He who blew
up the radio mast in Gliwice.
877
01:11:56,722 --> 01:12:00,888
- Yes, a good fellow.
- He gets the gas wagons going to Riga.
878
01:12:00,913 --> 01:12:06,098
- Mr. Lange will not like that.
- Lange can improvise. We do so.
879
01:12:06,123 --> 01:12:09,251
- Understood.
- I make sure it happens.
880
01:12:20,317 --> 01:12:23,811
We have one last item left on the agenda:
881
01:12:23,837 --> 01:12:26,942
The treatment of mixed
race Jews and intermarriage.
882
01:12:26,967 --> 01:12:32,948
Here, Dr. Stuckart, your opinion is
not only requested, but necessary.
883
01:12:33,447 --> 01:12:37,844
As said, the processing is best
regulated by the applicable laws.
884
01:12:37,870 --> 01:12:40,859
Of course. After all, it's your laws.
885
01:12:40,885 --> 01:12:44,499
They will form the
basis of our conversation.
886
01:12:44,525 --> 01:12:49,876
This is binding legislation,
not a basis for discussion.
887
01:12:49,901 --> 01:12:53,468
Even laws become outdated
and need to be re-evaluated.
888
01:12:53,494 --> 01:12:56,311
Like re-wallpapering when
you get tired of the color?
889
01:12:56,337 --> 01:13:02,393
We should recognize that today the people and
the race must be categories in our action.
890
01:13:02,547 --> 01:13:07,104
The people need a reliable
legal system, which I defend.
891
01:13:07,130 --> 01:13:10,743
Right is what is useful to people.
892
01:13:10,768 --> 01:13:14,910
What does it mean if it contradicts
the common sense of the people?
893
01:13:15,145 --> 01:13:19,422
Exactly. Let's not make things more
complicated than they already are.
894
01:13:19,449 --> 01:13:24,651
Sure, but not easier either.
Where do you see a need for action?
895
01:13:24,677 --> 01:13:30,548
According to the Nuremberg Laws, half-Jews were
exempted from evacuation and special treatment.
896
01:13:30,873 --> 01:13:32,945
Will there be a change to that?
897
01:13:33,026 --> 01:13:37,847
There have been discussions between
us, the party and individual ministries.
898
01:13:37,872 --> 01:13:41,746
I have asked the party office to
summarize these conversations.
899
01:13:41,771 --> 01:13:43,054
Dr. Klopfer.
900
01:13:43,079 --> 01:13:46,196
The party's line is clear.
901
01:13:46,221 --> 01:13:52,454
Jews, half-Jews and quarter-Jews
are ultimately seen as Jews.
902
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,768
They cannot be tolerated
in the commonwealth.
903
01:13:55,794 --> 01:14:01,601
The distinction between good
and bad Jews, full- and half-Jews,
904
01:14:01,928 --> 01:14:03,409
no longer serves any purpose.
905
01:14:03,435 --> 01:14:07,041
I agree, and then I
speak for the entire SS,
906
01:14:07,066 --> 01:14:10,167
for public hygiene and
consolidation of the race's territory.
907
01:14:10,192 --> 01:14:13,306
We know that. And what do you think?
908
01:14:13,331 --> 01:14:17,480
A working document has been
prepared. I would like to read it.
909
01:14:17,505 --> 01:14:18,689
You are welcome:
910
01:14:18,715 --> 01:14:21,650
First: First degree mixed race Jews
911
01:14:21,675 --> 01:14:25,386
equated with Jews with
respect to the Final Solution.
912
01:14:25,412 --> 01:14:28,212
- Rejected.
- Listen first, for God's sake!
913
01:14:28,238 --> 01:14:31,019
It already violates existing laws.
914
01:14:31,044 --> 01:14:34,623
They are not equated with
Jews. They have German blood.
915
01:14:34,649 --> 01:14:38,771
- But the aim is to change that.
- It's not that simple.
916
01:14:38,797 --> 01:14:42,951
We cannot sit here and decide that
half-Jews should have the yellow star,
917
01:14:43,137 --> 01:14:47,291
that they may not walk in
German forests or have a canary.
918
01:14:47,317 --> 01:14:52,882
- And certainly not evacuated to the East.
- A working document, as I said.
919
01:14:52,908 --> 01:14:57,077
- And there are exceptions in the draft.
- Right.
920
01:14:59,202 --> 01:15:03,948
Exceptions are mixed race Jews of
the first degree married to German blood.
921
01:15:03,974 --> 01:15:08,210
- I assume that.
- As long as they have children, that is, quarter Jews.
922
01:15:08,237 --> 01:15:10,301
So generous.
923
01:15:10,669 --> 01:15:14,356
In other ways, our proposal
meets your requirements.
924
01:15:14,382 --> 01:15:21,666
Second-degree mixed-race Jews, quarter
Jews, are counted as having German blood.
925
01:15:22,138 --> 01:15:25,250
Wait a minute... Why?
926
01:15:25,657 --> 01:15:30,840
Unless they are the children
of two Jews of mixed race,
927
01:15:30,890 --> 01:15:33,251
has an unfavorably Jewish appearance
928
01:15:33,277 --> 01:15:37,757
or prove by their behavior that
they should be considered Jews.
929
01:15:37,782 --> 01:15:42,237
- I'm starting to lose track.
- I see the proposal as fully feasible.
930
01:15:42,263 --> 01:15:45,362
May I ask for your spontaneous opinion?
931
01:15:45,388 --> 01:15:49,244
From a foreign policy point of view, it
does not matter whether they stay or leave.
932
01:15:49,264 --> 01:15:53,152
The Marshal certainly has no objections,
933
01:15:53,178 --> 01:15:57,239
as long as we don't lose
professionals in the war industry.
934
01:15:57,265 --> 01:16:01,923
- That must be taken into account.
- I also see a half-Jew as a Jew.
935
01:16:01,949 --> 01:16:06,557
It is possible, legally speaking,
to expand the definition of a Jew,
936
01:16:06,583 --> 01:16:12,179
but why worry about Jewish laws
when there will soon be no Jews?
937
01:16:12,204 --> 01:16:15,878
Interesting stance from
the Ministry of Justice.
938
01:16:15,904 --> 01:16:20,043
In the East, we still cannot
make such fine distinctions.
939
01:16:20,213 --> 01:16:24,678
We often don't even see if someone is
Jewish, let alone half- or quarter-Jewish.
940
01:16:25,205 --> 01:16:29,365
But now we are the German
Reich, and here the law still applies.
941
01:16:29,489 --> 01:16:34,680
You have to admit that the Ministry of the
Interior is clearly isolated on the matter.
942
01:16:35,096 --> 01:16:38,223
What do you hope to
achieve with the changes?
943
01:16:38,250 --> 01:16:42,047
Simplification, as always.
Clear, quick decisions.
944
01:16:42,073 --> 01:16:47,291
You accomplish the exact
opposite. Returning to individual trial…
945
01:16:47,635 --> 01:16:50,751
We are talking about
tens of thousands of cases.
946
01:16:50,776 --> 01:16:55,961
- How many half-Jews are there in the kingdom?
- Around 70,000.
947
01:16:56,271 --> 01:17:01,498
Then add quarters, and our
officials have been busy for years.
948
01:17:01,707 --> 01:17:05,338
If you had written better laws, we
would have escaped the problem.
949
01:17:05,363 --> 01:17:08,480
I didn't write them myself,
and that's not true anyway.
950
01:17:08,505 --> 01:17:12,650
A half-Jew who behaves like a
Jew, that is, follows the Mosaic faith
951
01:17:13,048 --> 01:17:17,345
or is married to a non-Jewish person, is treated
as a non-Jewish person according to existing law.
952
01:17:17,365 --> 01:17:19,420
Nothing prevents evacuation.
953
01:17:19,644 --> 01:17:24,106
- How many of these are there in the kingdom?
- About 8,000.
954
01:17:24,131 --> 01:17:27,627
Eight trains. Then we have over 60,000 left.
955
01:17:27,863 --> 01:17:31,415
The majority of these half-Jews see
themselves as part of German society.
956
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:35,120
- They renounce the faith even internally.
- To protect yourself.
957
01:17:35,146 --> 01:17:38,726
Thousands of them have proven
themselves in our armed forces.
958
01:17:39,426 --> 01:17:41,481
- How many? - Around 10,000.
959
01:17:41,507 --> 01:17:44,317
I still want to get rid of another 60,000.
960
01:17:44,343 --> 01:17:50,184
Don't forget the SS comrades who were found
to have Jewish blood during racial testing.
961
01:17:50,487 --> 01:17:54,629
- Tragic cases, indeed.
- But not a significant number.
962
01:17:54,655 --> 01:17:58,517
But in the mixed races the
German blood predominates.
963
01:17:58,542 --> 01:18:01,657
Should they be included
in the final solution?
964
01:18:01,682 --> 01:18:06,874
- We can make exceptions in special cases.
- Yes, but let's think further.
965
01:18:07,671 --> 01:18:12,889
According to you, a half-Jew who has children
with a German wife should not be evacuated.
966
01:18:12,915 --> 01:18:15,201
- Good God! - I do not follow.
967
01:18:15,226 --> 01:18:20,434
A half-Jew with a German wife and
children? True, he is not evacuated.
968
01:18:20,459 --> 01:18:26,675
Now let's imagine that this half-Jew has
a brother, who is of course also half-Jew,
969
01:18:26,878 --> 01:18:31,628
but he is not married and has no children. Should
he be evacuated according to your suggestion?
970
01:18:31,654 --> 01:18:34,145
- Yes.
- How do you explain it to the family?
971
01:18:34,171 --> 01:18:38,300
To the Aryan sister-in-law?
The Aryan relatives?
972
01:18:38,326 --> 01:18:42,325
- Everything can be dramatized.
- No, I'm just thinking it through.
973
01:18:42,572 --> 01:18:45,671
We cannot treat quarter-Jews
as of German blood
974
01:18:45,697 --> 01:18:50,652
but evacuate their
half-Jewish family to the East.
975
01:18:50,677 --> 01:18:54,016
How do you explain to the
quarterback on leave from the front
976
01:18:54,042 --> 01:18:59,226
that his half-Jewish family on the platform
opposite being sent east in a cattle car?
977
01:18:59,252 --> 01:19:02,132
All are individual cases.
978
01:19:02,157 --> 01:19:06,290
I have to agree with Dr. Stuckart.
979
01:19:06,315 --> 01:19:11,333
Even the Führer believes that it is of the
utmost importance not to worry the population.
980
01:19:11,359 --> 01:19:17,139
I want to remind you about the
euthanasia program. It caused a stir.
981
01:19:17,165 --> 01:19:21,733
- Dr. Stuckart complicates matters.
- It's complicated.
982
01:19:21,759 --> 01:19:27,146
The Führer knows this and has therefore
given no other instructions on the matter.
983
01:19:27,171 --> 01:19:30,320
But maybe you are smarter
than the Führer on this point?
984
01:19:31,068 --> 01:19:37,304
The Führer wants the final solution. Everything
Jewish must be driven out of the body of the people.
985
01:19:37,330 --> 01:19:40,433
Your proposal creates
intolerable situations.
986
01:19:40,727 --> 01:19:44,887
In extreme cases, it leads to chaos,
and out of chaos grows resistance.
987
01:19:45,642 --> 01:19:48,006
We don't want mixed race Jews as enemies.
988
01:19:48,031 --> 01:19:53,080
The half-Jew is a more dangerous enemy,
with his high-value Germanic heritage.
989
01:19:53,225 --> 01:19:56,352
High-ranking half-Jews?
990
01:19:57,906 --> 01:20:01,049
- Do you also have a constructive suggestion?
- Very good question.
991
01:20:01,643 --> 01:20:05,796
My suggestion is to do nothing.
992
01:20:17,753 --> 01:20:20,864
We should do nothing at all.
993
01:20:20,889 --> 01:20:26,076
- You've got to be kidding.
- Half-Jews can only marry Germans.
994
01:20:26,101 --> 01:20:30,245
Purely biologically, the Jewish
part decreases with each generation.
995
01:20:30,270 --> 01:20:35,457
- Children of half-Jews are already quarter-Jews.
- But then we won't be finished for a hundred years.
996
01:20:35,482 --> 01:20:38,587
Half Jew. Quarter seventh.
997
01:20:38,612 --> 01:20:43,258
If I don't like the nose,
it's Jewish enough.
998
01:20:43,284 --> 01:20:45,163
A bit coarse, isn't it?
999
01:20:45,620 --> 01:20:49,776
In any case, no one can
understand that I like Jews.
1000
01:20:49,826 --> 01:20:52,969
I know you are
accomplishing a lot in the East.
1001
01:20:53,367 --> 01:20:59,609
But don't think I'm doing less here just
because I'm not wading in Jewish blood.
1002
01:21:00,009 --> 01:21:05,208
Without us and our laws, the German
Reich would not be where it is today.
1003
01:21:05,478 --> 01:21:09,621
No one doubts your
commitment, Dr. Stuckart.
1004
01:21:09,646 --> 01:21:14,431
That said, we try to simplify
things as much as possible.
1005
01:21:14,457 --> 01:21:17,593
In that case, I suggest sterilization.
1006
01:21:21,110 --> 01:21:26,290
Sterilization? How should I understand it?
1007
01:21:26,315 --> 01:21:30,268
Forced sterilization of all
mixed-race Jews, without exception.
1008
01:21:30,294 --> 01:21:35,505
Cheaper than deportation and absolutely
sufficient from a racial hygiene point of view.
1009
01:21:38,548 --> 01:21:42,699
An interesting suggestion, Dr. Stuckart.
1010
01:21:43,002 --> 01:21:48,194
All biologically dangerous elements
would be prevented from procreating.
1011
01:21:48,219 --> 01:21:51,335
The risk of breed
deterioration is eliminated.
1012
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:55,484
Is it technically feasible
on such a large scale?
1013
01:21:55,509 --> 01:22:01,748
It needs to be evaluated. Faced with
the choice to be evacuated or sterilized
1014
01:22:01,773 --> 01:22:05,922
a Jew of mixed race will
undoubtedly prefer sterilization.
1015
01:22:06,329 --> 01:22:11,554
Their blood will die out,
but we keep them as labor.
1016
01:22:11,816 --> 01:22:13,897
A tailor-made solution.
1017
01:22:14,582 --> 01:22:18,075
Forced divorces would also be conceivable.
1018
01:22:18,101 --> 01:22:21,240
You wanted to simplify
things. There you have it.
1019
01:22:22,632 --> 01:22:27,824
Here are some more suggestions
regarding intermarriage,
1020
01:22:27,849 --> 01:22:30,950
that is, between
German-blooded and all-Jews.
1021
01:22:30,975 --> 01:22:34,089
We're taking a break.
1022
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,012
Dr. Stuckart.
1023
01:23:04,081 --> 01:23:08,227
In the lounge there is freshly
brewed coffee, desserts and cognac.
1024
01:23:08,253 --> 01:23:11,383
We'll continue in a few minutes.
1025
01:23:19,792 --> 01:23:22,929
The Working Paper on Mixed
Race Jews. Add it to the record.
1026
01:23:56,196 --> 01:24:01,145
You have good arguments
and know how to present them.
1027
01:24:01,171 --> 01:24:03,756
Yet you insist on the matter.
1028
01:24:04,188 --> 01:24:09,380
Sometimes, if I'm being honest...
1029
01:24:10,027 --> 01:24:17,127
Sometimes I wonder if you oppose our
proposals because of your good arguments
1030
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:21,469
or because it is precisely your
laws that we are discussing here.
1031
01:24:21,494 --> 01:24:26,706
I wish you didn't see us lawyers
just as brake pads on your train.
1032
01:24:28,369 --> 01:24:31,910
- My authority is full of lawyers.
- Of a different kind.
1033
01:24:31,935 --> 01:24:35,034
Like Dr. Schöngarth and Dr. Lange.
1034
01:24:35,059 --> 01:24:39,072
I value dedication and
willingness to trade.
1035
01:24:39,098 --> 01:24:44,298
I have less use for lawyers
who complicate and sow doubt.
1036
01:24:44,673 --> 01:24:49,470
Thinking is good, but acting is better.
1037
01:24:49,496 --> 01:24:55,740
Action without thought accomplishes nothing.
Then you throw the baby out with the bathwater.
1038
01:24:59,535 --> 01:25:01,628
Forced sterilization?
1039
01:25:04,069 --> 01:25:10,307
Do you mean it? Or are you suggesting
it because it takes months to evaluate?
1040
01:25:10,504 --> 01:25:14,653
Like you, I see myself as
devoted to the Führer's cause.
1041
01:25:14,678 --> 01:25:17,553
I am not speaking
against your final solution,
1042
01:25:17,580 --> 01:25:21,455
but only for an orderly
deprivation of rights.
1043
01:25:21,657 --> 01:25:26,837
I have the greatest respect for what you
have done at the National Security Board.
1044
01:25:26,863 --> 01:25:29,975
An ideologically stable,
combative administration
1045
01:25:30,317 --> 01:25:36,540
prepared for radical intervention. But don't
forget that all of Germany is not like that.
1046
01:25:36,565 --> 01:25:41,752
People need rules and
norms, clarity and orientation.
1047
01:25:41,777 --> 01:25:44,887
The knowledge that everything has its order.
1048
01:25:44,912 --> 01:25:49,763
Thanks so much. We
will investigate the matter.
1049
01:25:50,113 --> 01:25:52,200
Thanks.
1050
01:25:59,518 --> 01:26:05,738
Apart from that, of course you are
right. I have written a huge set of laws.
1051
01:26:05,763 --> 01:26:09,922
If you take it away from me, I might
as well go to the office without pants.
1052
01:26:09,947 --> 01:26:14,098
Of course, we must
prevent that at all costs.
1053
01:26:16,612 --> 01:26:18,922
Has your wife made herself at home?
1054
01:26:18,948 --> 01:26:23,102
Last time I got the impression
that she didn't like Prague.
1055
01:26:23,495 --> 01:26:27,640
It was over a long time
ago. The other day she said:
1056
01:26:27,665 --> 01:26:30,767
"I am a princess who lives in a castle."
1057
01:26:30,792 --> 01:26:33,908
I am glad to hear.
1058
01:26:34,967 --> 01:26:39,139
- And you? When will the increase come?
- There are a few weeks left.
1059
01:26:44,354 --> 01:26:49,560
- Come visit us.
- As soon as it can be arranged.
1060
01:26:50,612 --> 01:26:55,813
Are you planning to move your family
here after the war? The house suits you.
1061
01:26:58,942 --> 01:27:03,087
- Possibly.
- Then we would become neighbors.
1062
01:27:03,112 --> 01:27:07,280
Our children can swim
together in the Wannsee.
1063
01:27:11,058 --> 01:27:13,115
A beautiful thought.
1064
01:27:13,141 --> 01:27:18,322
The Reichsführer-SS and the
Governor General had a clear agreement.
1065
01:27:18,348 --> 01:27:21,737
It is my right to insist
that it be observed.
1066
01:27:22,071 --> 01:27:25,900
You heard Obergruppenführer
Heydrich. I can't do more.
1067
01:27:25,926 --> 01:27:32,167
We have no interest in being responsible
for the misery of another million Jews.
1068
01:27:32,571 --> 01:27:35,471
I can't come up with it.
1069
01:27:45,414 --> 01:27:48,531
I'm going to have a cup of
coffee. Do you also want?
1070
01:27:49,108 --> 01:27:52,241
I thought we were going to work here.
1071
01:28:08,116 --> 01:28:11,226
Gentlemen, we proceed.
1072
01:28:11,895 --> 01:28:16,729
Let's stay here. We'll be done
soon. We can move on to the informal.
1073
01:28:16,764 --> 01:28:19,218
- My documents, please.
- If it is okay.
1074
01:28:19,243 --> 01:28:23,385
Dr. Stuckart and I
had a fruitful exchange.
1075
01:28:23,410 --> 01:28:26,501
Do you have any questions?
1076
01:28:26,526 --> 01:28:32,758
I feel I have to ask again about
the progress of the final solution,
1077
01:28:33,038 --> 01:28:36,929
and I must repeat how necessary it is
1078
01:28:36,954 --> 01:28:41,337
to initiate the relief measures
with us in the General Government.
1079
01:28:41,363 --> 01:28:43,937
Why not with us?
1080
01:28:43,963 --> 01:28:49,450
We cannot stand for the largest space
and become the kingdom's garbage dump,
1081
01:28:49,475 --> 01:28:54,861
where everyone sends their
Jews, gypsies and misfits,
1082
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:59,867
while we are left with our own
Jews. Diseases, black trade, crime...
1083
01:28:59,901 --> 01:29:06,130
Sure, Dr. Bühler. So that you don't
stir things up again: Polish Jews first.
1084
01:29:06,155 --> 01:29:08,895
- Excuse me?
- You have my promise.
1085
01:29:08,921 --> 01:29:14,118
We start in the General Government.
Say hello to Governor General Frank.
1086
01:29:14,492 --> 01:29:19,687
May I take it that this
agreement is on the record?
1087
01:29:19,713 --> 01:29:22,312
- Obersturmbannführer?
- It is recorded.
1088
01:29:22,338 --> 01:29:28,034
May I assume that the Governor-General will
not get in the way of our plans any more?
1089
01:29:28,059 --> 01:29:31,165
That we lead the final solution?
1090
01:29:31,694 --> 01:29:35,084
- No more questions.
- Thankfully.
1091
01:29:36,836 --> 01:29:42,608
But I have a question. I don't
want to spoil the cheerful mood,
1092
01:29:42,634 --> 01:29:47,838
but since the beginning of the meeting I
have asked myself a fundamental question.
1093
01:29:47,863 --> 01:29:50,969
- Just ask. - Thanks.
1094
01:29:50,994 --> 01:29:57,214
You said a lot about the final solution,
but not much about concrete solutions.
1095
01:29:57,239 --> 01:30:00,367
I guess the RSHA know what they are doing.
1096
01:30:00,548 --> 01:30:07,647
I'm just wondering if we're talking about
a statement of intent or realistic goals.
1097
01:30:07,672 --> 01:30:10,812
I assure you that we are
not building castles in the air.
1098
01:30:11,317 --> 01:30:12,517
If you will allow me...
1099
01:30:12,895 --> 01:30:19,110
I have made calculations based
on reports from the response teams.
1100
01:30:19,135 --> 01:30:24,335
Take, for example, the special treatment
of Ukrainian Jews in late September,
1101
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:28,171
conducted by Task Force C
under Obergruppenführer Jeckeln.
1102
01:30:28,197 --> 01:30:33,400
- One of our best.
- I mean the measures against the Jews in Kiev.
1103
01:30:34,128 --> 01:30:39,957
The Jewish population cooperated
thanks to appeasement measures,
1104
01:30:39,983 --> 01:30:44,137
and a natural gully could
be used for disposal.
1105
01:30:44,162 --> 01:30:46,701
So there was no need to dig pits.
1106
01:30:46,727 --> 01:30:49,350
I heard about it, Babij Jar Ravine.
1107
01:30:49,375 --> 01:30:53,534
- 6th Army participated, under von Reichenau.
- May he rest in peace.
1108
01:30:53,560 --> 01:31:00,823
That's what I want to get to. You
could say it was ideal conditions.
1109
01:31:00,848 --> 01:31:07,086
Nevertheless, the special
treatment took 33,771 Jews
1110
01:31:07,111 --> 01:31:10,203
36 hours to complete.
1111
01:31:10,228 --> 01:31:13,344
A thousand an hour. What is wrong with that?
1112
01:31:13,369 --> 01:31:16,471
938 to be exact.
1113
01:31:16,496 --> 01:31:22,726
If one then counts on Obersturmbannführer
Eichmann's figure of eleven million,
1114
01:31:22,751 --> 01:31:27,938
it will be 11,720 hours,
1115
01:31:27,963 --> 01:31:31,074
or 488 days.
1116
01:31:32,129 --> 01:31:34,197
Where do you want to go?
1117
01:31:34,448 --> 01:31:40,869
Our men would have to do what
was done in Babij Jar for 488 days,
1118
01:31:40,895 --> 01:31:44,025
day and night without interruption.
1119
01:31:44,189 --> 01:31:47,303
Shoot Jews for 488 days.
1120
01:31:47,329 --> 01:31:51,927
Old, women and children. 938 per hour.
1121
01:31:51,952 --> 01:31:56,090
Please, your calculation
is quite hypothetical.
1122
01:31:56,115 --> 01:32:00,261
The work rests on many
axes in different places.
1123
01:32:00,286 --> 01:32:06,511
But we are talking about
eleven million cartridges.
1124
01:32:06,536 --> 01:32:08,605
Only if every shot hits.
1125
01:32:08,630 --> 01:32:12,777
We agree that we cannot
achieve it by arquebusing.
1126
01:32:12,802 --> 01:32:17,985
For that reason, we now build
facilities whose sole purpose is
1127
01:32:18,010 --> 01:32:21,122
to tackle this numerical problem.
1128
01:32:21,147 --> 01:32:28,417
Maybe it's because I'm older
than most here - or a priest's son,
1129
01:32:28,442 --> 01:32:32,461
but for me it is also a moral issue.
1130
01:32:32,502 --> 01:32:38,415
Sorry, but I don't have to listen to
that. "Poor Jews. Women and children."
1131
01:32:38,442 --> 01:32:41,549
We're doing our duty, and
you shouldn't throw crap at us.
1132
01:32:41,575 --> 01:32:44,688
- You misunderstand me.
- I understand very well.
1133
01:32:44,829 --> 01:32:48,960
You gave in to Comrade Lange
with your nonsense about humanity.
1134
01:32:48,986 --> 01:32:52,095
I must firmly defend the comrades.
1135
01:32:52,121 --> 01:32:57,325
The punishment of the Jews may
seem barbaric, but they deserved it.
1136
01:32:57,642 --> 01:33:03,867
I'm surprised we're talking about
this again. It's about self-defense.
1137
01:33:04,161 --> 01:33:07,266
Otherwise the Jews will destroy us.
1138
01:33:07,292 --> 01:33:10,738
Please, I don't worry about the Jews.
1139
01:33:10,764 --> 01:33:14,924
I know that the end of history
is written for the Jewish race.
1140
01:33:15,179 --> 01:33:18,281
I only worry about our soldiers
1141
01:33:18,307 --> 01:33:23,531
and the psychological burden that
the Final Solution places on them.
1142
01:33:24,492 --> 01:33:27,611
For the Wehrmacht, SS and Ordnungspolizei?
1143
01:33:27,873 --> 01:33:33,070
It is about young people who
are not yet fully developed.
1144
01:33:33,095 --> 01:33:36,187
We were like that once too.
1145
01:33:36,212 --> 01:33:39,876
Experiences like the
special treatment in Kyiv,
1146
01:33:39,902 --> 01:33:43,021
a mountain with over 33,000 people,
1147
01:33:43,515 --> 01:33:47,659
that inevitably leads to rudeness.
1148
01:33:47,684 --> 01:33:51,826
Sadism. Mental illness and alcoholism.
1149
01:33:51,851 --> 01:33:55,996
I can speak for my men
and say we know our craft.
1150
01:33:56,021 --> 01:34:00,831
We shoot from behind with bayonets on when
they are on their knees. We rarely miss.
1151
01:34:00,857 --> 01:34:03,890
Imagine an orderly process.
1152
01:34:03,916 --> 01:34:09,599
So be it, but we want them to
return as healthy German men.
1153
01:34:10,097 --> 01:34:14,254
Real husbands for German
wives. Fathers of German children.
1154
01:34:14,792 --> 01:34:19,976
In our military hospitals the number of cases
of nervous diseases is very much increasing,
1155
01:34:20,002 --> 01:34:23,718
triggered by the difficult
experiences in the East.
1156
01:34:23,744 --> 01:34:28,814
It cannot be denied. I was told
that some of the men who attended
1157
01:34:28,841 --> 01:34:32,497
were in worse condition
than those who had been shot.
1158
01:34:32,522 --> 01:34:35,619
"Crudeness". "Sadism".
1159
01:34:35,644 --> 01:34:40,837
Although one must be
merciless to the Jew in his service
1160
01:34:40,862 --> 01:34:42,956
is he still a decent German.
1161
01:34:43,411 --> 01:34:47,575
I can confirm that. There
is certainly a rough tone,
1162
01:34:48,163 --> 01:34:54,093
but no one steals, swears,
fights, or behaves dishonorably.
1163
01:34:54,119 --> 01:34:57,219
No one doubts your decency.
1164
01:34:57,245 --> 01:35:02,440
But I thank the Ministerial Council for
his question. It is important to consider.
1165
01:35:02,757 --> 01:35:07,944
Some who have just enthusiastically
advocated the final solution
1166
01:35:07,969 --> 01:35:13,155
become completely silent when
they actually see the final solution.
1167
01:35:13,180 --> 01:35:18,383
The Reichsführer-SS, if I may interject,
witnessed an arquebusing himself
1168
01:35:18,408 --> 01:35:22,544
and immediately gave orders
to find a more humane method.
1169
01:35:22,569 --> 01:35:26,709
More humane? For our men, then?
1170
01:35:26,734 --> 01:35:28,801
Of course.
1171
01:35:28,826 --> 01:35:32,973
I promised that after our
meeting you would understand
1172
01:35:32,998 --> 01:35:37,145
that we can answer any questions
associated with the final solution.
1173
01:35:37,170 --> 01:35:38,584
Obersturmbannführer.
1174
01:35:38,910 --> 01:35:44,097
Behind the front line or where rail
transport would be too expensive
1175
01:35:44,342 --> 01:35:47,451
we can't do without arquebusing.
1176
01:35:47,591 --> 01:35:50,704
But for the final solution,
the method is too ineffective
1177
01:35:50,729 --> 01:35:55,897
and also negatively affects
the effectiveness of our men.
1178
01:35:55,922 --> 01:36:01,133
- The effectiveness of my men is...
- Dr. Schöngarth, I beg you.
1179
01:36:01,158 --> 01:36:08,421
The other methods, which are
more effective and less mentally taxing
1180
01:36:08,446 --> 01:36:12,593
is based on findings from the euthanasia
program at Zentraldienststelle T4.
1181
01:36:12,618 --> 01:36:16,758
- "Operation mercy killing"?
- It had to be canceled when people protested.
1182
01:36:16,783 --> 01:36:20,932
And the churches. They politely stay out
of the way regarding the Jewish transports,
1183
01:36:21,225 --> 01:36:23,303
but there was much
shouting about the lunatics.
1184
01:36:23,323 --> 01:36:26,604
But they still managed about 70,000.
1185
01:36:26,630 --> 01:36:30,309
When it shut down they
started working for us.
1186
01:36:30,951 --> 01:36:36,161
Excuse. When we talk about Brack's
methods, are we talking about gas?
1187
01:36:36,187 --> 01:36:40,355
- That's right.
- What other means can give such high quotas?
1188
01:36:40,382 --> 01:36:44,919
Those of us who participated in the
World War have experienced what it means.
1189
01:36:44,945 --> 01:36:49,093
Gas. Poison gas. When
lying in the trenches.
1190
01:36:49,903 --> 01:36:54,532
I don't know what you think,
but to me the idea is hideous.
1191
01:36:54,558 --> 01:36:57,729
It was over 20 years
ago. A lot has happened.
1192
01:36:57,755 --> 01:37:01,594
Last month I inspected the Kulmhof camp,
1193
01:37:01,619 --> 01:37:04,328
and the Bełżec camp,
under Hauptsturmführer Wirth.
1194
01:37:04,354 --> 01:37:06,424
Both use carbon monoxide.
1195
01:37:06,839 --> 01:37:10,983
In Kulmhof, special wagons with
airtight superstructures are used.
1196
01:37:11,008 --> 01:37:17,244
In Bełżec, there are rooms where gas is
piped from cylinders or armored car engines.
1197
01:37:17,269 --> 01:37:21,405
We also have new discoveries
from Obersturmbannführer Höss.
1198
01:37:21,430 --> 01:37:22,656
Who?
1199
01:37:22,682 --> 01:37:26,630
Commandant of a camp for Russian
prisoners of war in eastern Upper Silesia.
1200
01:37:26,655 --> 01:37:30,632
The Obergruppenführer
mentioned it. Auschwitz.
1201
01:37:30,658 --> 01:37:33,921
Höss's staff has achieved promising results
1202
01:37:33,946 --> 01:37:38,655
with an agent used for
pest control, Zyklon B.
1203
01:37:38,682 --> 01:37:41,224
Pest control? Interesting.
1204
01:37:41,249 --> 01:37:44,781
Cargo holds on ships,
silos... Large-scale disinfection.
1205
01:37:44,893 --> 01:37:50,072
- Appropriate.
- And to contaminated uniforms.
1206
01:37:50,628 --> 01:37:54,784
The active substance is
hydrocyanic acid bound in granules.
1207
01:37:54,809 --> 01:37:57,905
On contact with air, a
fast-acting gas is released.
1208
01:37:57,930 --> 01:38:03,119
An accidental discovery. There
were accidents due to improper use.
1209
01:38:03,145 --> 01:38:05,391
So the comrades came up with it.
1210
01:38:05,417 --> 01:38:09,846
And so we make the wrong
practice the right practice.
1211
01:38:10,288 --> 01:38:11,331
Right.
1212
01:38:11,484 --> 01:38:16,680
We receive the granules in
practical containers, pre-portioned.
1213
01:38:16,705 --> 01:38:20,849
The manufacturer can also provide
it without adding warning substances.
1214
01:38:21,036 --> 01:38:24,377
When you notice the gas, it's too late.
1215
01:38:24,403 --> 01:38:31,277
According to Höss, last year's gassing of 900
Russian prisoners of war was extremely successful.
1216
01:38:31,302 --> 01:38:35,436
What will it be then? Carbon
monoxide or hydrocyanic acid.
1217
01:38:35,461 --> 01:38:38,572
Höss is convinced of his method.
1218
01:38:38,597 --> 01:38:43,235
It is still a thought experiment, but it
would be possible to transform Auschwitz,
1219
01:38:43,261 --> 01:38:45,328
from Russians to Jews.
1220
01:38:45,456 --> 01:38:49,600
I intend to propose to the Reichsführer-SS
that we move forward on all tracks.
1221
01:38:49,869 --> 01:38:52,246
Competition stimulates business.
1222
01:38:53,732 --> 01:38:57,900
How can we imagine
these processes in detail?
1223
01:38:58,414 --> 01:39:02,558
As I said, the Jews come
to the facilities by train.
1224
01:39:02,583 --> 01:39:07,776
They are then sorted according to work
ability and hand over their possessions.
1225
01:39:07,801 --> 01:39:14,802
Under the guise of disinfection, they
are then led to airtight gas chambers.
1226
01:39:14,828 --> 01:39:17,937
The active substance
is supplied from outside.
1227
01:39:17,963 --> 01:39:24,202
The process itself, if performed correctly,
is completed in ten to fifteen minutes.
1228
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:30,704
This is followed by ventilation of
the chamber, removal and disposal.
1229
01:39:30,729 --> 01:39:34,188
We plan combustion in
highly efficient furnaces.
1230
01:39:34,433 --> 01:39:38,005
In Auschwitz, models are already
being built by Topf & Söhne,
1231
01:39:38,030 --> 01:39:42,171
although of course we have
to expand capacity significantly.
1232
01:39:42,196 --> 01:39:47,398
From train to gas? So
there is no need for housing?
1233
01:39:47,878 --> 01:39:51,498
Extremely effective!
1234
01:39:51,524 --> 01:39:56,149
But don't these facilities risk causing
concern among the population in the area?
1235
01:39:56,175 --> 01:39:58,239
Just what I need - riot.
1236
01:39:58,545 --> 01:40:00,952
We value geographical distance.
1237
01:40:00,978 --> 01:40:06,159
The facilities require facades and
undeveloped areas in the direction of the wind
1238
01:40:06,184 --> 01:40:08,244
to avoid disturbing odors.
1239
01:40:08,269 --> 01:40:13,455
- How many facilities are there?
- Kulmhof is already relieving Litzmannstadt.
1240
01:40:13,756 --> 01:40:15,826
Bełżec will soon be ready for operation.
1241
01:40:15,887 --> 01:40:21,802
In the camp in Sobibór, construction will begin
soon. An area near Treblinka is being considered,
1242
01:40:21,827 --> 01:40:24,635
and Auschwitz is, as I said, a possibility.
1243
01:40:24,661 --> 01:40:30,265
- Do we have enough people for that many?
- The operation is not personnel-intensive.
1244
01:40:30,582 --> 01:40:33,277
Especially if we use Jews
and labor from outside.
1245
01:40:33,302 --> 01:40:40,560
Our men are mainly to keep order
and release the necessary gas.
1246
01:40:40,585 --> 01:40:44,741
But the sight of all the corpses,
the transport to the ovens...
1247
01:40:44,766 --> 01:40:49,956
It is carried out by working Jews,
who later also receive special treatment.
1248
01:40:49,981 --> 01:40:52,039
Elegant.
1249
01:40:52,412 --> 01:40:56,562
And is the facility's capacity
sufficient for the task?
1250
01:40:56,588 --> 01:41:01,805
We are in the planning phase. We
must find and optimize the processes.
1251
01:41:02,352 --> 01:41:07,551
But there are no technical obstacles to building
airtight chambers for a thousand people.
1252
01:41:07,698 --> 01:41:11,245
In Auschwitz there is
room for several chambers,
1253
01:41:11,271 --> 01:41:16,458
so that we can always manage
a fully loaded train in one round.
1254
01:41:16,706 --> 01:41:20,878
The process can of course be
repeated several times a day.
1255
01:41:22,014 --> 01:41:27,212
The Council of Ministers looks skeptical.
1256
01:41:27,425 --> 01:41:32,605
This might solve our math problems,
1257
01:41:32,631 --> 01:41:36,803
but how exactly is it
better than arquebusing?
1258
01:41:37,868 --> 01:41:43,056
I have witnessed executions in the East and
the use of the special carriages in Kulmhof,
1259
01:41:43,082 --> 01:41:46,201
and I'm not ashamed to
say that both make me sick.
1260
01:41:46,227 --> 01:41:51,967
But the stationary facilities
enable a structured division of labor.
1261
01:41:51,993 --> 01:41:55,956
The person concerned and the person carrying
out the process barely come into contact.
1262
01:41:55,976 --> 01:41:59,085
No closeness and nothing to arouse pity.
1263
01:41:59,826 --> 01:42:02,946
I and all the experts
involved are convinced:
1264
01:42:02,971 --> 01:42:08,158
This enables a pleasant technical,
efficient and anonymous process.
1265
01:42:08,183 --> 01:42:12,318
Our men can do it in an
extremely detached manner.
1266
01:42:12,343 --> 01:42:16,496
- Very impressive.
- The whole thing sounds well thought out.
1267
01:42:16,521 --> 01:42:20,663
- In deed.
- We are convinced of that.
1268
01:42:20,688 --> 01:42:24,839
- Do you share that assessment?
- Well, yes...
1269
01:42:24,864 --> 01:42:29,005
If it really spares us the
carnage of arquebusing
1270
01:42:29,030 --> 01:42:35,075
and our men are spared,
then it is a great relief to me.
1271
01:42:35,101 --> 01:42:39,251
The knowledge that we
have all done all we could,
1272
01:42:39,277 --> 01:42:44,165
although I would have preferred
if the Jews just went up in smoke.
1273
01:42:44,290 --> 01:42:47,391
Who wouldn't rather live in peace?
1274
01:42:47,418 --> 01:42:51,952
But fate has chosen our
generation to complete this task.
1275
01:42:52,338 --> 01:42:56,670
We can't refuse just
because it's disgusting.
1276
01:42:56,696 --> 01:43:00,322
We are the doctors of the German people.
1277
01:43:00,835 --> 01:43:04,992
No doctor likes sawing
off the leg of his patient,
1278
01:43:05,523 --> 01:43:10,742
but what if it is the only
way to save the patient's life.
1279
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:14,735
Gentlemen, with that we are done.
1280
01:43:16,472 --> 01:43:21,911
If there are no more questions, I suggest
that you as authority representatives
1281
01:43:21,938 --> 01:43:23,915
continue the conversations
with your advisors.
1282
01:43:23,935 --> 01:43:29,480
My advisor IV B4 will
contact your subdivisions.
1283
01:43:29,736 --> 01:43:33,171
- Are we getting a protocol?
- Also through us.
1284
01:43:33,197 --> 01:43:37,089
Then I thank you for
coming and pray once more
1285
01:43:37,115 --> 01:43:42,334
about your continued support
to implement the final solution.
1286
01:43:44,292 --> 01:43:47,411
That is all.
1287
01:44:04,359 --> 01:44:08,798
- My notes, Obersturmbannführer.
- We summarize it in the minutes.
1288
01:44:09,129 --> 01:44:13,808
- Can you give them to me this afternoon?
- I'll put a white paper on your desk.
1289
01:44:13,953 --> 01:44:17,095
I'll call a car that
can drive you to town.
1290
01:44:20,289 --> 01:44:23,425
- Good job, Eichmann.
- Thank you, Gruppenführer.
1291
01:44:35,911 --> 01:44:41,465
- Interesting day.
- Some things should be left to the younger ones to handle.
1292
01:44:41,995 --> 01:44:45,102
We'll see what happens
with the big plans.
1293
01:44:45,290 --> 01:44:49,438
I hope you didn't take offense
to my working document.
1294
01:44:49,789 --> 01:44:53,947
We are civil servants and
have a duty to our agencies.
1295
01:44:53,972 --> 01:44:58,116
I have spent so many years
of my life with Jewish laws
1296
01:44:58,141 --> 01:45:01,005
that I would like to avoid.
1297
01:45:01,031 --> 01:45:04,140
- You're not giving up, are you?
- Not without a fight.
1298
01:45:04,277 --> 01:45:08,423
I say goodbye. I have
another meeting in four hours.
1299
01:45:08,449 --> 01:45:10,634
Restructuring of the Ministry of Posts.
1300
01:45:10,659 --> 01:45:14,822
- You are certainly persistent.
- We all have to make sacrifices.
1301
01:45:25,412 --> 01:45:28,209
It wasn't that dangerous.
1302
01:45:28,235 --> 01:45:31,381
My need for conferences is
satisfied for the time being.
1303
01:45:35,905 --> 01:45:39,035
- You did well. - Well, yes...
1304
01:45:43,584 --> 01:45:46,664
I know of some fine
establishments in Berlin
1305
01:45:46,690 --> 01:45:50,858
where you can recover
in the most pleasant way.
1306
01:45:52,357 --> 01:45:54,439
It sounds interesting.
1307
01:46:13,209 --> 01:46:17,373
- Do you want one too?
- I won't say no to that.
1308
01:46:22,051 --> 01:46:24,137
Thanks.
1309
01:46:25,731 --> 01:46:27,780
A brandy, Obergruppenführer?
1310
01:46:27,805 --> 01:46:31,969
I have more meetings,
but don't let me stop you.
1311
01:46:32,428 --> 01:46:34,552
I hope you are satisfied.
1312
01:46:34,578 --> 01:46:40,290
Consent in the highest circles,
and no one doubts our leadership.
1313
01:46:40,315 --> 01:46:41,616
A successful event.
1314
01:46:41,643 --> 01:46:44,468
- The protocol as usual?
- First to me.
1315
01:46:44,493 --> 01:46:47,630
- Thirty copies?
- Sent as classified.
1316
01:46:48,005 --> 01:46:52,597
Use formal language as usual.
We don't want to scare anyone.
1317
01:46:52,623 --> 01:46:56,765
But the gentlemen should be able to
read what they have been involved in.
1318
01:46:56,791 --> 01:47:01,139
- No one should be able to say he didn't know.
- Understood.
1319
01:47:01,676 --> 01:47:05,843
Good. Today's goal achieved.
It was worth returning to Berlin.
1320
01:47:06,032 --> 01:47:08,117
I wish you a nice afternoon.
1321
01:47:08,143 --> 01:47:12,321
The same, Obergruppenführer.
And a pleasant journey home.
1322
01:48:05,416 --> 01:48:08,666
Six million Jews were killed
during the National Socialist regime.
1323
01:48:21,579 --> 01:48:25,750
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