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[line ringing]
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[theme music playing]
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My name's Bob Cooper.
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I'm a former
Lafayette police detective.
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Oh, I handle everything
from juvenile cases
to homicides.
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When I was on
the Lafayette
Police Department,
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I... I think I had a...
a reputation,
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um, for being
a very good investigator.
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You know, I could say I...
I care about justice.
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That's a cliche.
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What I enjoyed most
about being a...
a police detective
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is the puzzles.
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I think one of the reasons
that I'm so intrigued
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by the... the Barnett case
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is this is one of
the most difficult ones
I've had.
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It's like a Rubik's Cube.
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It... It just continues
to change.
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Just when you think
you have it solved,
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you find out you don't.
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I think the Barnetts,
when they adopted Natalia,
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they bought a pig in a poke.
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They didn't know
what they were getting.
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It was more than they...
they thought,
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that... that
they bargained for.
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They bought a pig in a poke
and they got rid of her.
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They put her in a apartment,
Westfield, Indiana.
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Michael and... and Kristine,
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they would almost be
a household word
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in the social services area
in Westfield, Indiana
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because Natalia
created more problems
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than they were expecting.
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Obviously, they were trying
to get her out
of that environment
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to an environment
where she was not known.
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And so they finally move her
to Lafayette, Indiana.
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"Let's get her out
of our life," and they did.
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They move her an hour away
to another county.
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There are more nice areas
in Lafayette
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than there are
run down neighborhoods.
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Where Natalia was placed
in that apartment
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by herself,
there's crime in the area.
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I think their goal was,
"Out of sight, out of mind."
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This thing will go away.
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But that didn't happen
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because Lafayette was
a wrong town for them
to bring her to.
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I just...
I don't like bull [bleep].
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It's just me.
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[Michael] 2013.
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The Perimeter Institute
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in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada,
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wants Jacob, who's 14,
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to go there
to get his master's degree.
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So we're moving to Canada.
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You'll get
those six combinations.
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Natalia, she had an apartment
for a year
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on her own
in Westfield, Indiana.
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Natalia's current lease is up.
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Another apartment
needs to be found.
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Kristine and her go out
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and they find her an apartment
in Lafayette, Indiana.
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This is
the best place possible.
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I would happily, casually,
stroll around
that neighborhood.
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It is a nice part of town.
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This apartment
is within two blocks
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of an adult GED center
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that she signed up for
to get her GED.
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It's within two blocks
of the bus route...
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a suicide prevention center,
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The Salvation Army,
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a local grocery store
that takes her
food stamp card.
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You couldn't draw a map
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and centralize her better
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to a place that could care for
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any one of her possible needs.
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[man] The Barnetts thought
that this was it,
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problems are solved.
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They've washed
their hands with this.
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Well, then of course,
their nightmare ends.
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The nightmare being...
being charged
with child neglect.
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It actually became
the beginning of the end.
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[girl shouting] Get off!
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-No, you are not getting
that cheese.
-No, no, no, no.
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You can't have that.
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My name is Kyna.
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I was Natalia's neighbor.
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-I have nine cats...
-[cats meowing]
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...two dogs...
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five kids...
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[speaking indistinctly]
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Yeah, I have all my kids
tattooed on me. [chuckles]
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If we adopt him
he'll be the sixth.
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[chuckles] I ran outta...
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out of limbs,
so I had to start
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put on one on another limb.
[chuckling]
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[girl] Cheeto!
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-[cat meowing]
-[dog barking]
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[girl] ...don't touch me,
Cheeto.
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[sighs] Sorry, my house
is so noisy.
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Uh, check my dogs either.
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I need to... I need
to check them...
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...don't lose it.
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I've lived in Lafayette
my whole life,
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born and raised here.
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The first time I saw Natalia
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was when Michael and Kristine
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were moving Natalia
into her apartment.
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And I just assumed
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that they were the ones
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moving into the apartment,
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but I never did
see them again.
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The first time I met Natalia,
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she had come over to my house,
knocked on the door.
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I was a little startled
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because I thought it was
a little kid at my door.
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And then she explains to me
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that she is 22
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or she thought she was 22.
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And I thought that was
a little bit strange
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that she thought she was 22.
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And Natalia said
that she didn't have
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any food over there,
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in her home, in her apartment
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and that she needed
to call her parents
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so that she could
get some money.
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When I handed the telephone,
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she didn't know
what to do with it.
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It was like, uh...
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You know,
like one of those reactions.
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Then I said, "Well,
do you have the phone number?"
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"Um, no, I don't know it."
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So, then that...
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The phone, just kinda,
just got put aside
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and it was,
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"Um, I'm really hungry.
Could I have a sandwich?"
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I also thought it was strange
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that the Barnetts
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would put her
in a second floor apartment.
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To have to climb 16 steps
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plus the three or four
on the outside,
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that's a lot of steps
for someone that small.
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She was struggling
to climb those steps.
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I was kinda stunned.
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And even if she was 22,
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she has these disabilities,
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she has special needs.
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Why would you
get her a apartment
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that she can't navigate?
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Going down the steps
is extremely dangerous,
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so, she could've fell
at any point...
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and nobody would have known
she'd fell.
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Nobody would've known it.
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I mean, there's so many things
that could've happened.
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I mean, what if
she had burnt the house down?
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Uh, it would...
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Not only would she have died,
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you got
all those people below her
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in those apartments
that could've died.
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I just... I felt like
she was kinda left
to the wolves.
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We lived a block away
from a village pantry
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and there was vagrants
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uh, outside of that place
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and there was
a homeless shelter.
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There's a lot
of crime happening.
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And, at any point,
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someone could have gotten her
to go home with them.
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Or, could've just
straight up picked her up
and snatched her.
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Definitely not an area of town
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that I would let my kids
walk around unattended.
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It's gotten to the point
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where not only
do I carry a weapon
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in my home, on my body,
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I carry a weapon
outside of my home
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on my body at all times.
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It's a necessity to be armed.
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I hope Natalia knows
that if I had...
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realized in...
during that moment
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what was really going on,
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I would've took action.
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I would've done something
to help her.
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I just hope she's having a...
a good life.
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[sniffles]
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And I... I hope she gets
the justice she deserves.
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She deserves for,
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um, Kristine and Michael to...
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to go to court. They need
to see their day.
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Um...
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And she just...
She just deserves to have...
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um, a circle around her
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to make her feel safe.
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I can't even imagine
how scared she was.
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[sniffles]
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If she was 22,
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she, I'm sure,
she'd still be scared.
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I mean,
look how small she was.
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How, um, helpless she was.
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So, regardless of her age,
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she was very scared...
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and alone.
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[sniffles]
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And that situation should have
never ever happened.
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The truth is,
if I saw the Barnetts
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I probably
wouldn't say really anything,
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I'd just start swinging.
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So let's recap here.
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The Barnetts took
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a three foot tall,
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disabled little person,
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put her in an apartment
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on the second floor,
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where she's gotta
scale stairs...
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that are dangerous,
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given her disability.
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It's in
a high crime neighborhood.
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She's in an apartment
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with no accommodations
for her disability.
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Couldn't reach the stove,
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couldn't reach
the washing machine dial.
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First they took her cellphone,
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there's no landline
in the apartment.
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There's absolutely
no way for her
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to call for help
if she needs it.
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That gets them in trouble
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and so they give her back
her cellphone
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but they wiped
all her contact information
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off her cellphone
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and at times...
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there was
no electricity or food.
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So what are
the Barnetts doing here?
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Are they trying
to keep her silent?
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Are they trying
to get rid of her for good?
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[Eddy] I spoke
to Natalia one time,
that was it.
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I never seen her with parents.
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You know, every time
I seen her she was...
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...90% of the time,
she was by herself.
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Been in the neighborhood
since '67.
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I've seen it go
from bad to worse.
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And I've been
in trouble before.
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You know, I messed up in life.
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-I've been to prison.
-[man] Mmm-hmm.
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Just like I tell anybody,
I got a sex offence.
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I messed up in life.
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-I went, did my time,
come back out, you know?
-[man] Mmm-hmm.
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So I... I watch everything.
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-That's what prison taught me,
-[man] All right.
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...to be very observant
of people,
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your surroundings,
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-'cause you don't wanna
get caught up
-[man] Yeah.
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-in that moment again
-[man] Mmm-hmm.
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...and have something else
happen to you.
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So, you know,
she's a little kid,
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you know, I've to...
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kinda stay away from that.
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[Kyna] About a month
after she started going
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to the Lafayette
Adult Reading Academy,
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I just didn't see her
come home anymore.
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She just disappeared.
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If you're an underage child
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living by yourself
in that kinda surrounding,
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you don't know
what to look for
or what to stay away from.
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Nobody there to protect her.
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Nobody there to make sure
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that nobody even hurt her.
262
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I mean, it...
it just really disturbed me.
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Natalia could have knocked
on any door
264
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and it could have been
the last door she knocked on.
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One day,
when we moved to Canada,
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we got a phone call
from the adult GED center
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that she had been
signed up for
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and she was going to
for classes
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asking us if we had heard from
or seen Natalia.
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We don't know what to do.
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We start making phone calls.
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We start trying
to figure things out,
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we can't figure anything out.
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[Beth] When Natalia
went missing in Lafayette,
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suddenly, Michael and Kristine
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00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,482
are worried about her?
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00:12:52,482 --> 00:12:53,758
They weren't worried...
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enough about her safety
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to put her in
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a first floor apartment
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in a safe neighborhood
282
00:12:59,793 --> 00:13:01,241
with a telephone?
283
00:13:02,482 --> 00:13:04,482
What are they
really worried about?
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00:13:04,482 --> 00:13:07,482
Maybe that she is talking
to a social worker?
285
00:13:07,482 --> 00:13:08,758
Or even the police?
286
00:13:11,172 --> 00:13:12,689
[Michael] Couple days later,
we get a phone call
287
00:13:12,689 --> 00:13:14,758
from the GED center,
"Don't worry about it.
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00:13:15,310 --> 00:13:16,793
We've found her."
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00:13:16,793 --> 00:13:19,172
She is
with this lady Cynthia Mans.
290
00:13:22,413 --> 00:13:24,000
Okay, well, that's concerning.
291
00:13:25,862 --> 00:13:28,068
Because anytime
Kristine would hear
292
00:13:28,068 --> 00:13:30,862
about Natalia had spoken
to a neighbor
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or had interacted
with a stranger,
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Kristine would find out
who that was
295
00:13:35,310 --> 00:13:37,482
and she would do
what it takes to stop it.
296
00:13:37,482 --> 00:13:39,137
That's her. That's Kristine.
297
00:13:39,896 --> 00:13:41,275
She needs to be in control.
298
00:13:42,482 --> 00:13:44,896
So, we try to call Cynthia.
299
00:13:44,896 --> 00:13:46,275
We have
a conversation with her.
300
00:13:46,862 --> 00:13:48,103
She lets us know,
301
00:13:48,103 --> 00:13:51,241
"She's living with us,
everything's fine.
She's moved in."
302
00:13:52,482 --> 00:13:53,448
She's moved in?
303
00:13:54,482 --> 00:13:56,137
You met her three days ago!
304
00:13:58,482 --> 00:14:01,206
Kristine and I call
Lafayette Police Department.
305
00:14:01,206 --> 00:14:02,965
We call
Adult Protective Services.
306
00:14:04,172 --> 00:14:06,655
Adult Protective Services
goes out and evaluates
the situation
307
00:14:07,482 --> 00:14:09,034
and they report back to us.
308
00:14:10,793 --> 00:14:13,275
They found out that she had
a food stamp card
309
00:14:13,793 --> 00:14:15,379
that had $500 on it
310
00:14:15,379 --> 00:14:17,000
and they had spent
all the money
311
00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,344
on all the foods
at their house.
312
00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,206
-This.
-[Natalia chuckling]
313
00:14:20,206 --> 00:14:22,103
If you like this
give us a thumbs up
314
00:14:22,103 --> 00:14:25,000
-if you don't,
give us a sad face.
-[Natalia] Yeah.
315
00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,034
So they just took
all of Natalia's food money.
316
00:14:27,689 --> 00:14:28,793
What's up?
317
00:14:28,793 --> 00:14:30,241
[chuckles] What's up, people?
318
00:14:31,310 --> 00:14:32,275
[Michael] A week later,
319
00:14:32,793 --> 00:14:35,000
I get notified by mail
320
00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,758
that Natalia's
social security payments,
321
00:14:37,482 --> 00:14:38,689
which was going to me,
322
00:14:38,689 --> 00:14:40,206
I was paying ourselves back
for the rent,
323
00:14:40,206 --> 00:14:42,551
and I was paying her gas bill
and her electric bill,
324
00:14:43,379 --> 00:14:44,551
that they're no longer
going to me.
325
00:14:45,793 --> 00:14:47,862
Within two weeks
of meeting her,
326
00:14:47,862 --> 00:14:50,000
Cynthia took Natalia
to the social security office
327
00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,000
and Natalia signed over
328
00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,379
her social security money
to her.
329
00:14:53,862 --> 00:14:55,206
They're subletting
the apartment
330
00:14:55,206 --> 00:14:57,137
against the lease's rules.
331
00:14:58,103 --> 00:15:00,275
The Mans were making money
332
00:15:00,275 --> 00:15:03,172
off of Natalia's apartment
that we paid for in advance.
333
00:15:04,689 --> 00:15:05,655
She was evicted.
334
00:15:06,965 --> 00:15:07,931
There was nothing we could do.
335
00:15:09,689 --> 00:15:12,068
[Beth] Between 2014 and 2019,
336
00:15:12,068 --> 00:15:14,206
a number of
law enforcement agencies
337
00:15:14,206 --> 00:15:17,275
actively investigated
Natalia Barnett's case.
338
00:15:17,793 --> 00:15:20,103
It culminated in 2019,
339
00:15:20,103 --> 00:15:22,862
when Brandon Davenport
enters the picture.
340
00:15:22,862 --> 00:15:24,689
Once Detective Davenport
341
00:15:24,689 --> 00:15:27,896
starts looking into
how Natalia came
342
00:15:27,896 --> 00:15:30,413
to Tippecanoe County,
343
00:15:30,413 --> 00:15:33,965
things start falling apart
for Michael
and Kristine Barnett.
344
00:16:11,689 --> 00:16:12,655
[Cynthia] Oh, yeah.
345
00:17:56,275 --> 00:17:58,172
[Michael] 2014.
346
00:17:58,172 --> 00:18:03,137
After years and years
and years of... pain
and abuse...
347
00:18:03,137 --> 00:18:05,896
and I finally got
the courage to leave Kristine.
348
00:18:05,896 --> 00:18:08,000
Her and the boys
stayed in Canada.
349
00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,241
I came back to Indiana.
350
00:18:09,896 --> 00:18:13,655
And it was
a very rough divorce.
351
00:18:13,655 --> 00:18:15,896
It was not amicable.
352
00:18:15,896 --> 00:18:17,068
We lost
the most important thing
353
00:18:17,068 --> 00:18:18,517
a marriage can have
and that's trust.
354
00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,862
[knocking on door]
355
00:18:45,689 --> 00:18:46,724
[Michael] There we go.
356
00:18:48,379 --> 00:18:49,344
[Det. Davenport] All right.
357
00:19:57,689 --> 00:19:58,586
[Beth] Follow me here,
358
00:19:58,586 --> 00:20:00,689
that means
that six years earlier
359
00:20:00,689 --> 00:20:04,758
when she was living
in Westfield she was 16...
360
00:20:05,379 --> 00:20:07,172
by Michael's calculation.
361
00:20:07,172 --> 00:20:08,965
That means
she's still a minor.
362
00:20:09,379 --> 00:20:10,344
He admitted it.
363
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,241
[line ringing]
364
00:20:32,896 --> 00:20:33,862
[Det. Davenport] Um...
365
00:20:51,896 --> 00:20:53,862
To be charged with
something like this...
366
00:20:54,586 --> 00:20:55,551
[sighs]
367
00:20:56,275 --> 00:20:58,344
It's embarrassing,
it's appalling,
368
00:20:58,344 --> 00:21:00,344
It's disgusting,
it's degrading.
369
00:21:01,896 --> 00:21:03,620
Once the charges got filed,
370
00:21:04,793 --> 00:21:07,793
my attorney and I, we pull up
to the Tippecanoe County Jail
371
00:21:07,793 --> 00:21:09,793
the next day
to turn myself in.
372
00:21:09,793 --> 00:21:11,172
First denied, the man accused
373
00:21:11,172 --> 00:21:12,793
of leaving his adopted child
374
00:21:12,793 --> 00:21:15,068
alone in an apartment
in Lafayette
375
00:21:15,068 --> 00:21:17,275
turned himself
into authorities today.
376
00:21:17,275 --> 00:21:19,551
[male reporter] The case
being built by prosecutors,
377
00:21:19,551 --> 00:21:22,068
confident enough to file
charges of neglect.
378
00:21:23,896 --> 00:21:26,137
[Michael] I get put into
a holding cell by myself.
379
00:21:27,551 --> 00:21:28,517
I was booked.
380
00:21:31,379 --> 00:21:32,620
I was fingerprinted.
381
00:21:37,551 --> 00:21:39,344
And then it's time
for my mug shot.
382
00:21:41,793 --> 00:21:43,275
It's gonna sound strange.
383
00:21:43,275 --> 00:21:46,000
-[camera shutter clicking]
-I wasn't nervous.
384
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,344
Not that camera.
I'm not thinking
about that camera.
385
00:21:49,655 --> 00:21:51,551
I'm thinking about
the ones that are
waiting for me outside.
386
00:21:51,551 --> 00:21:54,448
[female reporter]
Michael Barnett bonded out
of Tippecanoe County Jail
387
00:21:54,448 --> 00:21:57,275
about an hour
after turning himself in.
388
00:21:57,275 --> 00:21:58,793
[man] Kristine, is there
anything you want to say?
389
00:21:58,793 --> 00:21:59,896
No comment.
390
00:21:59,896 --> 00:22:02,896
Kristine Barnett turns
herself into the authorities
391
00:22:02,896 --> 00:22:05,655
a day after Michael
turned himself in.
392
00:22:06,689 --> 00:22:08,793
[Bob Cooper]
Especially for the first time
393
00:22:08,793 --> 00:22:11,413
to hear that jail cell
close behind you.
394
00:22:12,275 --> 00:22:13,655
[door closes]
395
00:22:13,655 --> 00:22:14,655
[Bob] That has to be
one of the most
396
00:22:14,655 --> 00:22:16,655
humiliating experiences
397
00:22:16,655 --> 00:22:18,793
any individual
could go through.
398
00:22:18,793 --> 00:22:20,000
-[camera shutter clicks]
-Prior to this,
399
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,655
the Barnetts were on
the cover of magazines
400
00:22:22,655 --> 00:22:23,758
and newspapers.
401
00:22:24,655 --> 00:22:27,172
And now, after being
arrested and charged,
402
00:22:27,172 --> 00:22:29,068
being photographed
for a whole different reason.
403
00:22:30,172 --> 00:22:32,448
The next day,
404
00:22:32,448 --> 00:22:36,068
I have employees pulling
that up on their computer.
405
00:22:37,448 --> 00:22:38,758
"Is this you?"
406
00:22:39,793 --> 00:22:41,689
I have employees
sending the link
407
00:22:41,689 --> 00:22:44,551
to my HR department.
408
00:22:44,551 --> 00:22:47,965
Saying, "Did you guys know
this monster works for us?"
409
00:22:49,068 --> 00:22:52,068
Suddenly, I am the bad guy
of the universe.
410
00:22:54,172 --> 00:22:57,793
But my ex-wife, Kristine,
was the one in power.
411
00:22:57,793 --> 00:22:59,793
I had no control
over any of this.
412
00:22:59,793 --> 00:23:01,379
[camera shutter clicks]
413
00:23:01,379 --> 00:23:05,172
From that point on, it becomes
Barnett versus Barnett.
414
00:23:05,172 --> 00:23:07,068
It is war.
415
00:23:07,068 --> 00:23:10,000
And Natalia is no longer
Michael's target.
416
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,448
It's Kristine.
417
00:23:11,448 --> 00:23:12,689
[camera shutter clicks]
418
00:23:12,689 --> 00:23:14,034
[Beth] He's not going to take
the fall for this by himself.
419
00:23:25,172 --> 00:23:26,448
[Michael]
I'm the dictionary definition
420
00:23:26,448 --> 00:23:28,931
of a guy that had it all
and lost it all.
421
00:23:33,103 --> 00:23:34,448
The car itself is dead.
422
00:23:35,275 --> 00:23:36,724
Hasn't run for about a year.
423
00:23:37,448 --> 00:23:39,241
It's not gonna run
anytime soon.
424
00:23:45,172 --> 00:23:47,965
Lately, my life has been
all about the trial,
425
00:23:47,965 --> 00:23:50,620
which is coming up
just in a couple of months.
426
00:23:51,482 --> 00:23:54,344
If I felt like I was
ever doing wrong...
427
00:23:56,275 --> 00:23:57,413
I would've hid it.
428
00:23:58,448 --> 00:24:00,586
Knowing what I know now,
429
00:24:00,586 --> 00:24:04,655
knowing...
and being able to see
how I was manipulated,
430
00:24:04,655 --> 00:24:06,000
and being able to see
how my sons
431
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,241
have been manipulated
after divorce,
432
00:24:09,965 --> 00:24:11,000
the question is,
433
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,724
do I think Kristine could have
manipulated Natalia?
434
00:24:14,379 --> 00:24:15,275
That's an easy question.
435
00:24:15,275 --> 00:24:16,172
The answer is yes,
436
00:24:16,172 --> 00:24:18,000
Kristine could have
manipulated Natalia.
437
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,172
There was so much
mental engineering done on me
438
00:24:22,758 --> 00:24:24,965
that built up and I blew up,
439
00:24:24,965 --> 00:24:28,344
and things ended
so negatively, so poorly.
440
00:24:29,275 --> 00:24:31,689
She and I are truly unable
441
00:24:31,689 --> 00:24:33,931
to even exchange an email.
442
00:24:35,448 --> 00:24:38,172
Her nickname is "Evil"
and she's earned every letter.
443
00:24:39,689 --> 00:24:41,172
She has twisted,
444
00:24:41,172 --> 00:24:46,379
convoluted, lied publicly,
privately, repeatedly,
445
00:24:46,379 --> 00:24:48,655
over and over and over again
446
00:24:48,655 --> 00:24:51,275
so she can maintain
power, money, control
447
00:24:51,275 --> 00:24:54,068
over everything and everyone.
448
00:24:55,551 --> 00:24:56,689
My middle son
and my youngest son,
449
00:24:56,689 --> 00:24:58,965
I've not seen them
in over eight years,
450
00:24:58,965 --> 00:25:02,241
and they want nothing
to do with seeing me.
451
00:25:04,379 --> 00:25:06,655
We all were abused
in that household
452
00:25:07,758 --> 00:25:10,551
and Kristine was
the purveyor of abuse.
453
00:25:12,482 --> 00:25:13,448
You're going to get the truth.
454
00:25:14,275 --> 00:25:15,965
I will pre-warn you,
455
00:25:16,793 --> 00:25:18,724
you might not like the truth,
456
00:25:19,758 --> 00:25:21,000
but you'll get the truth.
457
00:25:24,896 --> 00:25:27,448
Kristine blamed
everything on Natalia.
458
00:25:29,379 --> 00:25:32,379
[Jacob]
The dynamic between Natalia
and the rest of the family
459
00:25:32,379 --> 00:25:34,586
seemed to shift
relatively early on.
460
00:25:34,586 --> 00:25:35,896
My mom would
get into arguments
461
00:25:35,896 --> 00:25:39,448
and, like, try to figure out
who Natalia really was.
462
00:25:39,448 --> 00:25:41,551
Their relationship
was definitely hostile.
463
00:25:43,172 --> 00:25:44,827
[Kristine speaking]
464
00:25:48,758 --> 00:25:50,379
Things would
465
00:25:50,379 --> 00:25:54,344
spiral quickly
and escalate quickly.
466
00:25:54,344 --> 00:25:56,965
Kristine and Natalia
were an imminent danger.
467
00:25:58,482 --> 00:26:02,448
My children were
just one step below it.
468
00:26:04,896 --> 00:26:07,655
I promise you,
469
00:26:08,862 --> 00:26:10,655
within five years
someone's dead.
470
00:26:13,482 --> 00:26:14,827
[Kristine speaking]
471
00:26:21,965 --> 00:26:23,931
[Natalia speaking]
472
00:26:25,172 --> 00:26:26,241
[Kristine speaking]
473
00:26:37,068 --> 00:26:39,482
My mom firmly believed
474
00:26:39,482 --> 00:26:40,482
that, like, uh,
475
00:26:40,482 --> 00:26:44,379
Natalia is a hostile agent.
476
00:26:44,379 --> 00:26:47,655
You know, that she definitely
is not who she says she is
477
00:26:47,655 --> 00:26:48,862
and intends harm.
478
00:26:49,448 --> 00:26:52,586
Every day,
Kristine and Natalia
479
00:26:52,586 --> 00:26:55,758
would have the
third-degree spotlight,
480
00:26:55,758 --> 00:26:57,758
tell me everything about you.
481
00:26:57,758 --> 00:26:59,172
One time I come
home from work,
482
00:26:59,551 --> 00:27:00,517
open the door,
483
00:27:00,862 --> 00:27:01,896
say hello.
484
00:27:01,896 --> 00:27:04,448
Natalia is standing
in the breakfast nook,
485
00:27:04,965 --> 00:27:06,448
nose against the wall.
486
00:27:07,275 --> 00:27:09,068
What'd she do?
487
00:27:10,482 --> 00:27:11,724
This is what I was told.
488
00:27:13,275 --> 00:27:16,172
Natalia this morning is not
cooperating with Kristine.
489
00:27:16,896 --> 00:27:18,689
Very adversarial,
very butting heads
490
00:27:18,689 --> 00:27:20,000
and honestly, God bless her,
491
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,379
Natalia is probably
the first person ever
492
00:27:21,379 --> 00:27:22,758
to stand up to Kristine.
493
00:27:22,758 --> 00:27:24,551
[Kristine speaking]
494
00:27:32,379 --> 00:27:33,724
10:00 a.m. she puts
her nose on the wall.
495
00:27:34,965 --> 00:27:36,655
"You will stay there
496
00:27:36,655 --> 00:27:39,965
until you get to this table
and write down
497
00:27:39,965 --> 00:27:41,517
names of people
you have been with.
498
00:27:42,862 --> 00:27:44,862
That girl stands there,
nose on the wall
499
00:27:44,862 --> 00:27:46,862
from 10:00 a.m. to noon.
500
00:27:47,758 --> 00:27:49,724
Kristine makes
everybody lunch,
501
00:27:50,172 --> 00:27:51,862
gets Natalia's food,
502
00:27:51,862 --> 00:27:53,482
puts it right next to her.
503
00:27:53,482 --> 00:27:56,172
"You can eat this,
when, boys and girls?
504
00:27:56,172 --> 00:27:58,103
When you sit your
ass at the table
505
00:27:58,103 --> 00:27:59,482
and you write down the names
506
00:27:59,482 --> 00:28:00,758
of every person
you've lived with
507
00:28:00,758 --> 00:28:02,620
and you tell me
who you really are.
508
00:28:06,965 --> 00:28:08,172
When I got home,
509
00:28:08,172 --> 00:28:10,965
Kristine says that,
510
00:28:10,965 --> 00:28:15,344
"Yeah. She's been
standing still,
511
00:28:15,965 --> 00:28:19,965
nose on the wall
for eight hours
512
00:28:19,965 --> 00:28:21,586
and she ain't
getting out of there
513
00:28:21,586 --> 00:28:23,068
until she writes down names.
514
00:28:23,068 --> 00:28:25,965
Michael, don't you say
a word to her,
515
00:28:25,965 --> 00:28:27,275
don't you help her.
516
00:28:27,275 --> 00:28:29,586
I have been dealing
with this all day long.
517
00:28:29,586 --> 00:28:32,000
Don't you do anything
except back up your wife.
518
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,241
Do you understand me?"
519
00:28:36,689 --> 00:28:37,655
Yeah.
520
00:28:39,551 --> 00:28:40,965
So,
521
00:28:40,965 --> 00:28:42,655
at this point in time,
it's been eight hours.
522
00:28:43,172 --> 00:28:44,448
Natalia soiled herself.
523
00:28:46,344 --> 00:28:48,000
Natalia,
according to Kristine,
524
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,448
soiled herself hours ago.
525
00:28:51,896 --> 00:28:53,172
And per Kristine,
526
00:28:53,172 --> 00:28:57,413
"On purpose just to spite me
and make me upset."
527
00:28:58,896 --> 00:29:01,000
So, I sit on the couch
in the living room,
528
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,448
Natalia's behind me
in the kitchen,
529
00:29:02,448 --> 00:29:04,172
Kristine's on the couch,
530
00:29:04,172 --> 00:29:06,344
and we're going
to enjoy our evening.
531
00:29:06,344 --> 00:29:07,586
We're going to watch TV.
532
00:29:07,586 --> 00:29:09,344
We're enjoying our evening!
533
00:29:09,344 --> 00:29:11,965
You can join us.
You can watch TV
534
00:29:11,965 --> 00:29:15,344
when you tell us who you are.
535
00:29:16,862 --> 00:29:18,724
Two in the morning comes.
536
00:29:19,379 --> 00:29:22,241
She has now
defecated on herself.
537
00:29:24,103 --> 00:29:27,068
She hasn't moved.
538
00:29:29,551 --> 00:29:31,551
Every day I would come home,
539
00:29:31,551 --> 00:29:33,758
and best-case scenario
540
00:29:33,758 --> 00:29:36,862
is Kristine is sitting
on the couch angry
541
00:29:36,862 --> 00:29:38,000
and Natalia's in her room.
542
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,931
That is the best-case scenario
for the next two years.
543
00:29:43,689 --> 00:29:45,000
[producer speaking]
544
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,827
[bleep] I told
the cops this anyway.
545
00:29:49,172 --> 00:29:50,655
[exhales]
546
00:29:51,344 --> 00:29:52,482
I told the police this
547
00:29:52,482 --> 00:29:54,827
when they came to me
three years ago
548
00:29:55,448 --> 00:29:57,586
to talk to me about Natalia.
549
00:29:57,586 --> 00:30:01,413
So, if I'm open and honest
and willing enough to...
550
00:30:02,482 --> 00:30:05,000
tell police officers this,
551
00:30:05,758 --> 00:30:07,068
I can do this.
552
00:30:09,103 --> 00:30:10,655
There are multiple times,
553
00:30:12,344 --> 00:30:14,172
three that I
bore witness to
554
00:30:14,172 --> 00:30:16,827
and I'm certain
far more than that.
555
00:30:18,758 --> 00:30:22,344
That Kristine beat
the holy hell out of her.
556
00:30:24,344 --> 00:30:26,068
So one day I come home
from work. [exhales]
557
00:30:28,103 --> 00:30:30,000
[sniffles] And this is...
558
00:30:31,689 --> 00:30:33,896
maybe early 2011.
559
00:30:33,896 --> 00:30:35,413
I can feel
the tension in the air.
560
00:30:35,965 --> 00:30:37,448
Walking into the house.
561
00:30:38,344 --> 00:30:39,827
I see... I see my wife.
562
00:30:42,068 --> 00:30:44,000
[stutters] I'll be...
563
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,586
I'll try to be
as accurate as I can.
564
00:30:45,586 --> 00:30:47,241
Get one of the guys point
the camera at the floor.
565
00:30:50,379 --> 00:30:51,655
[sighs]
566
00:30:52,965 --> 00:30:55,344
I need right here-ish...
567
00:30:58,275 --> 00:30:59,448
to get you to understand.
568
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,931
[exhales]
569
00:31:06,965 --> 00:31:08,172
The beatings
570
00:31:08,965 --> 00:31:12,551
were similar to this.
571
00:31:14,172 --> 00:31:15,275
[groans]
572
00:31:15,275 --> 00:31:17,241
-[thudding]
-[grunting]
573
00:31:19,896 --> 00:31:21,241
[grunting continues]
574
00:31:30,172 --> 00:31:31,448
Ow.
575
00:31:34,586 --> 00:31:36,241
[Davenport speaking]
576
00:31:37,482 --> 00:31:38,758
[Michael speaking]
577
00:31:49,482 --> 00:31:50,448
[bleep]
578
00:32:03,379 --> 00:32:05,137
[Davenport speaking]
579
00:32:11,965 --> 00:32:16,103
[Beth]
Detective Davenport was using
a common interrogation tactic
580
00:32:16,103 --> 00:32:18,655
where he leads the target
of the investigation
581
00:32:18,655 --> 00:32:20,275
to believe that
he's on his side
582
00:32:20,275 --> 00:32:23,448
to gain his trust
and elicit more information.
583
00:32:24,344 --> 00:32:26,758
Michael really has
changed his tune,
584
00:32:26,758 --> 00:32:30,344
and after hearing about
how Natalia was treated
585
00:32:30,344 --> 00:32:32,000
and the beatings,
586
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,000
if she really was hiding
knives under her bed,
587
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,517
it makes me wonder if she was
doing it in self-defense.
588
00:32:39,655 --> 00:32:43,344
[Michael]
As the beatings happen,
589
00:32:43,344 --> 00:32:46,172
I stand there not knowing
what the hell to do.
590
00:32:47,172 --> 00:32:48,827
The only thing I can think,
591
00:32:52,586 --> 00:32:53,931
turn a camera on,
592
00:32:54,586 --> 00:32:57,620
turn a recorder on
and I palm my phone
593
00:32:58,344 --> 00:33:01,103
and hide it
and I start recording.
594
00:33:01,103 --> 00:33:03,551
"How could you
betray my trust?
595
00:33:04,068 --> 00:33:05,965
How could you do that?
596
00:33:05,965 --> 00:33:07,172
Right in front
of me right now,
597
00:33:07,172 --> 00:33:09,068
you erase everything
on the [bleep] phone.
598
00:33:11,275 --> 00:33:13,344
Reset phone, hit okay.
599
00:33:15,275 --> 00:33:16,931
Don't you ever do
anything like that again."
600
00:33:18,758 --> 00:33:20,551
I never got rid of the phone.
601
00:33:22,379 --> 00:33:25,620
I specifically kept it
my entire life
602
00:33:26,379 --> 00:33:29,103
just in case someone
was ever able to do
603
00:33:29,103 --> 00:33:30,862
a data recovery off of it
604
00:33:31,482 --> 00:33:33,517
and pull the video back.
605
00:34:00,758 --> 00:34:03,172
This exchange between
Michael and Kristine
606
00:34:03,172 --> 00:34:05,758
is really an
explosive revelation.
607
00:34:05,758 --> 00:34:08,379
Michael accuses Kristine
of beating Natalia
608
00:34:08,379 --> 00:34:09,896
and she doesn't deny it.
609
00:34:09,896 --> 00:34:12,724
So that's sort of a tacit
admission that she did.
610
00:34:26,275 --> 00:34:27,757
[Beth] When the time came,
611
00:34:27,757 --> 00:34:29,757
Michael offered up Kristine
612
00:34:29,757 --> 00:34:31,827
to the police
on a silver platter.
613
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,757
[Michael on phone]
614
00:34:47,275 --> 00:34:48,965
[Davenport on phone]
615
00:34:57,172 --> 00:34:58,724
[Michael on phone]
616
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,655
[Davenport on phone]
617
00:35:15,448 --> 00:35:16,379
[Michael on phone]
618
00:35:16,379 --> 00:35:17,655
[Davenport on phone]
619
00:35:19,172 --> 00:35:20,862
-[Michael on phone]
-[Davenport on phone]
620
00:35:20,862 --> 00:35:22,448
[Davenport on phone]
621
00:35:25,275 --> 00:35:26,172
[Michael on phone]
622
00:35:26,172 --> 00:35:28,172
[Davenport on phone]
623
00:35:28,172 --> 00:35:29,103
[Michael on phone]
624
00:35:29,103 --> 00:35:30,724
[Davenport on phone]
625
00:35:33,068 --> 00:35:34,655
[Michael sighs]
626
00:35:34,655 --> 00:35:36,068
[Davenport on phone]
627
00:35:39,965 --> 00:35:42,275
[Jacob]
From my mom's perspective,
when Natalia infiltrated
628
00:35:42,275 --> 00:35:44,758
our family and wanted
to harm us.
629
00:35:44,758 --> 00:35:48,482
And so, my mom denied
possibly doing anything wrong
630
00:35:48,482 --> 00:35:50,275
and if anything,
she was just operating
631
00:35:50,275 --> 00:35:53,827
under the, uh,
advice of therapists.
632
00:35:56,379 --> 00:35:58,000
And I can assure you that
633
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,241
no therapist would advise
634
00:36:02,103 --> 00:36:04,551
uh, this particular action,
635
00:36:04,551 --> 00:36:06,137
which I'm not going
to go into detail, but I...
636
00:36:07,758 --> 00:36:09,758
like if a therapist did,
they would lose their license.
637
00:36:24,379 --> 00:36:25,620
[Michael] Breathe it in.
638
00:36:28,344 --> 00:36:30,551
It's truly the best
regular moment
639
00:36:30,551 --> 00:36:32,896
we would always have
together as a family.
640
00:36:32,896 --> 00:36:34,620
Sitting down having popcorn.
641
00:36:36,551 --> 00:36:39,344
[stutters] It brings
a level of comfort,
642
00:36:39,344 --> 00:36:41,034
like, there's a level
of... [exhales]
643
00:36:41,896 --> 00:36:43,793
maybe it's happiness,
maybe it's purity,
644
00:36:43,793 --> 00:36:46,689
maybe it's just remembrance
of a good moment
645
00:36:46,689 --> 00:36:48,172
here and there.
646
00:36:48,172 --> 00:36:50,275
This was... this was
part of our lives.
647
00:36:50,275 --> 00:36:52,586
This is...
We were movie people.
648
00:36:52,586 --> 00:36:55,862
It was what we did two,
three nights a week.
649
00:36:56,275 --> 00:36:57,689
[chuckles]
650
00:36:57,689 --> 00:36:59,758
Jake smells the popcorn,
Jake arrives.
651
00:37:02,689 --> 00:37:05,000
Like, I'm already,
like, mmm tasty.
652
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,620
You and me standing here
eating popcorn together.
653
00:37:08,275 --> 00:37:09,620
You know,
I just... [exhales]
654
00:37:10,448 --> 00:37:11,965
I never thought
I'd get this again.
655
00:37:12,482 --> 00:37:14,689
I'd never in a million years
656
00:37:14,689 --> 00:37:17,896
dreamed that this would
ever happen again.
657
00:37:17,896 --> 00:37:21,344
2019, I haven't seen you
in five and a half years.
658
00:37:22,344 --> 00:37:25,034
And I sent you a couple
messages on Facebook
659
00:37:25,034 --> 00:37:26,896
just to let you know, hey,
660
00:37:26,896 --> 00:37:28,689
if you have
any questions about
661
00:37:28,689 --> 00:37:30,413
"Dad, why'd you leave?"
662
00:37:31,379 --> 00:37:32,620
Just ask.
663
00:37:33,586 --> 00:37:34,965
Of the three boys,
664
00:37:36,068 --> 00:37:38,172
you're the one that responded.
665
00:37:38,172 --> 00:37:41,620
You invited me to come
see you in New Orleans.
666
00:37:42,896 --> 00:37:44,172
I had no idea
what to expect.
667
00:37:44,172 --> 00:37:45,413
No clue.
668
00:37:46,172 --> 00:37:48,034
And I walk up and
669
00:37:48,034 --> 00:37:51,137
the first thing you say
to everybody was,
670
00:37:51,689 --> 00:37:52,965
"This is my dad."
671
00:37:56,034 --> 00:37:56,965
[sobbing]
672
00:37:59,344 --> 00:38:01,068
I hadn't heard you
say the word "dad"
673
00:38:01,068 --> 00:38:03,310
in almost six years.
674
00:38:05,275 --> 00:38:06,655
It gave me hope.
675
00:38:08,689 --> 00:38:09,862
[sniffles] I...
676
00:38:10,241 --> 00:38:11,793
I didn't have hope
677
00:38:11,793 --> 00:38:13,758
for a very, very,
very long time.
678
00:38:15,793 --> 00:38:19,310
I was 100% convinced
I'd never see you again.
679
00:38:20,379 --> 00:38:22,758
I'm still convinced I'll never
see your brothers again.
680
00:38:25,551 --> 00:38:26,758
Sorry. [sniffles]
681
00:38:35,068 --> 00:38:39,137
[Jacob]
It's clear that someone
wronged someone else.
682
00:38:43,551 --> 00:38:46,068
It's easy to go around
and categorizing people
683
00:38:46,068 --> 00:38:49,620
into, uh, clusters of
good people and bad people.
684
00:38:52,448 --> 00:38:56,034
But good people do bad things,
bad people do good things.
685
00:38:57,896 --> 00:39:02,448
I just don't want blame
to be falsely assigned.
686
00:39:05,793 --> 00:39:06,586
My mom and I are, kind of,
687
00:39:06,586 --> 00:39:07,931
going through it
at the moment.
688
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,862
Recently I had
a bunch of questions
relating to childhood
689
00:39:13,275 --> 00:39:14,758
and just concerns.
690
00:39:15,172 --> 00:39:17,206
Uh, so I called her.
691
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,586
Like, I was just expecting her
to maybe acknowledge
692
00:39:22,586 --> 00:39:23,965
some of the things
I was saying.
693
00:39:24,586 --> 00:39:25,793
Like, I wasn't necessarily
694
00:39:25,793 --> 00:39:27,241
looking for an apology
or anything,
695
00:39:27,241 --> 00:39:29,034
but I didn't even get that.
696
00:39:37,068 --> 00:39:39,275
[Jacob] I did ask her
about some stuff
697
00:39:39,275 --> 00:39:41,034
relating to Natalia
698
00:39:41,034 --> 00:39:42,793
that I don't think
I'm comfortable
699
00:39:42,793 --> 00:39:43,862
sharing with here.
700
00:39:44,551 --> 00:39:45,793
Partially I'm
protecting my mom
701
00:39:45,793 --> 00:39:47,689
by not being explicit here.
702
00:39:47,689 --> 00:39:51,379
I mean my mom is definitely
not 100% innocent,
703
00:39:51,379 --> 00:39:54,551
so I'm kind of stuck between,
like, a rock and a hard place
704
00:39:54,551 --> 00:39:56,965
where like I, uh,
don't want to hurt anyone.
705
00:40:01,482 --> 00:40:02,689
And, uh,
706
00:40:02,689 --> 00:40:05,862
I recognize that
that might not be possible.
707
00:40:19,275 --> 00:40:21,758
Yeah, I need to sleep
on some things.
708
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,206
Yeah, I don't know if I wish
to talk about this further.
709
00:40:34,448 --> 00:40:35,551
I'm done.
710
00:40:39,482 --> 00:40:42,000
[Bob]
Because there are
so many questions
711
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,275
could possibly, the Barnetts
just be making this up
712
00:40:45,275 --> 00:40:48,448
to cover their tails
and to cover their tracks.
713
00:40:48,448 --> 00:40:51,689
There's something
really deeply wrong here.
714
00:40:51,689 --> 00:40:54,344
It doesn't smell right.
There's something wrong.
715
00:40:54,344 --> 00:40:55,344
Oh, it smells like [bleep]
716
00:40:56,586 --> 00:40:58,758
Somebody's hiding
something someplace.
717
00:41:12,379 --> 00:41:14,620
[Jacob speaking]
718
00:41:27,379 --> 00:41:28,655
[Michael speaking]
719
00:41:50,689 --> 00:41:52,103
[Jacob speaking]
720
00:41:54,275 --> 00:41:55,862
-[Michael speaking]
-[Jacob speaking]
721
00:42:05,689 --> 00:42:07,241
[Michael speaking]
722
00:42:07,793 --> 00:42:09,068
[Jacob speaking]
723
00:42:09,068 --> 00:42:10,620
[Michael speaking]
724
00:42:11,793 --> 00:42:13,448
-[bleep]
-[Jacob speaking]
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