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You wanna do a sound check?
Yeah and two.
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Yeah. One, two, one, two, one, two.
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One, two, one, two, one, two.
Hello, hello, hello. Hello, hello.
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Okay. I think we're good.
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So, before we start,
I just wanna ask you, how's your memory?
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It's pretty good in some places and
absolutely completely nonexistent on others.
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I mean I can remember some things,
but not other things.
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But then it's written down
usually somewhere.
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What do I telI you?
I can't remember much of it, to be honest.
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Everybody has selective memories,
you know.
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And in the end I just think,
"Oh, what the hell?"
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I say that old adage,
"Never let the truth spoiI a good story".
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With me, we cover a lot of ground,
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and it'll just be natural, you know.
Whatever happens...
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-Have you got a light?
-Yeah, sure.
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Oh, I got one.
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Well, I don't know whether
it's gonna be mystifying, you think?
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I suppose it's not gonna be
a glorification either.
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Above all, it should be entertaining,
and it should be fun
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because that's what the band was.
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I'm amazed by it myself. I mean, it's...
You know what I mean?
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It's almost a fairy story, you know?
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Take three.
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Last week New York City finally got
to see and hear the Rolling Stones.
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We were the last stop on a tour that
took them into 30 cities in about six weeks,
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it's a gruelling trip.
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I went to Madison Square Garden to meet
Mick Jagger, the singer with the group,
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a fascinating man.
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He's been described variously as
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the "supreme sexual object
in modern Western culture
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"with a compound of menace and energy,"
a "sadomasochistic freak" and a "pussycat,"
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various other things.
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We have for you tonight an impression,
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and I think a fairly accurate one,
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of what goes on outside, inside
and backstage at Madison Square Garden
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when the Rolling Stones are in town.
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As you look at this it's literally only minutes
until he goes outside onto a stage
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and exudes solid energy to 20,000 people.
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Notice how calm we both are even
though he had 20,000 people waiting,
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and I had three listless staff members
waiting for a cab for me.
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Can you sort of tell me where,
my way around in here?
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I don't know who's who and what's what.
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Doesn't all this upset you? All these people?
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-Yeah, it's a great crowd for a morning show.
-Yeah.
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How did you sleep
after opening night last night?
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Not very well.
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Say, I don't know
if I was supposed to see this or not,
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but there was a plate
of something going around,
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people offering little pills.
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-Vitamins and salt.
-Vitamins and salt pills.
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-Yeah.
-That's what they told me they were.
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-Yeah, A, E, C, and salt.
-But naturally I... Yeah.
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Drink the salt with plenty of water.
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Yeah. Will that help?
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Do you want to do it all now, Dick?
Excuse me if we can cut.
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-Yeah we can cut.
-Because I've gotta get ready.
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How much has your technique and
your sense of timing developed,
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do you reckon, over the last five or six years?
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Oh, you talk to me like an actor,
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you know, I don't understand anything
about all those things,
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I just go on and do it,
I don't know about timing or anything.
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You give me the impression,
and I've watched you,
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of whether it's conscious or not, of being
a very, very shrewd, professional performer.
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No, it's not true.
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Water.
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Ladies and gentlemen, the Rolling Stones.
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All right! Good afternoon!
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So let's recap on the Rolling Stones,
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how did you all get together
in the first place?
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I think they all met in clubs,
in London jazz clubs.
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Actually, I answered an advert
for a bass player that was up,
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but the rest of them got together individually
in jazz clubs and formed a sort of group.
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-And we move on now to Brian.
-Oh, hello.
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Brian, how long have you been
with the Rolling Stones,
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are you one of the original members?
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Yes, one of the original members.
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What were you doing before you joined?
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Well, just sort of bumming around
waiting for something to happen, really.
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I had quite a few jobs,
and I was trying to get a band going,
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but it was unsuccessful
until I met up with Mick and Keith.
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Do you think that perhaps the general public
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started getting maybe a little bit tired of
the Beatles and looked for something new?
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No, I don't know about that.
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What could you say to a thing like that?
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Things started happening for us.
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Well, why did they start happening?
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I don't really know.
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Something sort of... Chemical reaction
seems to have happened somehow.
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What would you say happened?
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I really don't know.
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The rise to popularity in London,
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well the rise to popularity in the world
was very short.
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The first night there was about 80 people.
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The second night there was about 120,
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and the third night there were queues
outside and they couldn't all get in.
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When you saw those crowds growing
every week,
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you knew that you were
striking a bell somewhere, you know,
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and that something was happening.
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Would you know why England became
the pop centre?
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It just happened that England
had the right type of sound
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and the right sort of visual image
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that the kids over the world
wanted at a particular time.
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I think between Mick, Brian and me,
we had a feeling,
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the idea to put a band that was
a little less show business
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was exactly at the right time.
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The show biz angle just was boring to us.
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Thank you!
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Of course we have to talk
about Andrew Oldham,
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who had been working for Brian Epstein
with the Beatles.
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He went around London and he heard
we were kicking up a storm in some clubs.
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He just looked around and said, "Hey,
there can't be just one band in England".
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Andrew wanted to make the Rolling Stones
the anti-Beatles,
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so if you got heroes,
you've got an anti-hero like in a movie.
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You got good guys and bad guys.
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Andrew decided that the Rolling Stones
were the bad guys.
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It wasn't just an accident.
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He thought the Rolling Stones
would suit that image.
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It helped to have people that go along with it
or will fit the bill.
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It's good to have an actor
who'll play the part.
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"We want the Stones! We want Mick!"
"We want the Stones! We want Mick!"
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It started, man, on the first tour,
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halfway through things start to get crazy.
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We didn't play a show after that
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that ever was completed,
I think, for two or three years.
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We would take bets
on how long a show would last.
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You know, "You're on. Ten minutes".
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And sure enough, wave after wave,
some of them are fainting,
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so the cops, and people and the attendants
are dragging them out on stage,
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you know what I mean.
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I could see the water just running
down between the seats.
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It was just a flood of urine
pouring down the girls.
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All the girls in the audience
were wetting themselves.
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Girls wet themselves when they get excited.
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There were like these tiny, little girls
that would get in there
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and just scream
and you couldn't hear anything.
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I just was mouthing it,
hoping it was gonna be okay.
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Brian and l,
we'd play Popeye the Sailor Man.
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And then wait for the shit to hit the fan.
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And you stayed there for as long as
you could before it got besieged, you know?
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And then you did a runner.
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Getting in and out
was the big deal of the day.
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I hated that.
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I hated being chased by girls and all that.
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I really, it used to really embarrass me.
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I wish I could have turned it off
when the show stopped.
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Has there ever been a time in the crowds
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and getting into theatres
and away from them
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that you've really had the wind up your sails
on occasion,
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though you really were gonna be cut off
from getting caught in the crowd.
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Last night was bad.
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Last night's a good example.
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What is your worst experience?
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We knocked a policeman off his bike,
broke his leg or something.
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Yeah, he's very cool, isn't he,
he's very cool on his bike.
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That's why we ran into him.
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I guess the Rolling Stones
aren't everyone's cup of tea,
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and that's the understatement of the year.
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There are whole armies of parents
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who've become almost homicidal
at the sight of them.
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Both on the stage and off,
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the Stones don't exactly generate
an aura of sweetness and light.
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And their carefully calculated air of,
"Blow you, Jack"
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has won them almost
as many enemies as fans.
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The Beatles are loved
by pretty well everybody
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from the mums down to the teenagers,
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but what's your real appeal to the fans,
do you think?
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You do tend to present a sort
of yobo-ish image, you know.
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Moronic, I think, is the best word.
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-Yes, moronic...
-What's he talking about?
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But the thing is that you've all had
very good educations.
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I mean, why do you present this image?
Is it deliberate or is it a sort of...
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There are lots of morons at grammar schools,
you know.
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Wish this was all on film, man,
it could be great.
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You see, you're thrust into the limelight
in a youth-orientated thing.
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It's not about growing up,
it's about not growing up, in a way.
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Then it's about bad behaviour.
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Then you're about bad behaviour,
so then you start behaving badly.
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It was the weirdest situation.
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If you if you did something wrong,
even better.
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And the Beatles got the white hat, you know.
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What's left? The black hat.
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We never abided by any rules
that were gentlemanly things.
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Never did it.
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That was part and parcel of why
we just got ostracised by everyone.
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People, they used to shout at us.
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"You're a load of girls,"
and "Get your bloody hair cut!"
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And all this, you know, "Ha, ha, ha,"
make jokes about us,
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you just see them all laughing,
pointing and all that.
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It's obvious that you don't get your hair cut,
but do you get it trimmed from time to time?
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Yes, I do. Last night, last night.
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Last night? Certainly grown a lot since then.
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We were just refusing to conform
to what everybody wanted us to be.
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This particular hotel manager was just
sort of trying to be a bit over-officious.
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And I don't, honestly and sincerely,
don't have a tie, you see.
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I used to wear a tie,
but the boys didn't wear ties,
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and I thought I'd looked a bit out
if I wore one, so I stopped wearing them.
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Brian used to get upset
when they used to say,
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"I stood next to 'em and I could see
the fleas jumping off of their hair".
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They used to call us "Neanderthals"
and "The ugliest group in the world".
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What sort of words
have you been called, in fact?
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-The four-letter words?
-No, the ones that are repeatable.
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We've been called just about everything
from beautiful to revolting.
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Brian was a very clever musician.
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He played bottleneck guitar,
electric, and nobody did that.
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Well, except in America,
but I mean nobody did it in London.
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He'd had more experience, I think, in playing,
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so he had some level
of musical accomplishment
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that really Keith and I really didn't.
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Brian and Keith had the worst humour.
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Cause they used to call
ordinary working people "Ernies,"
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and Brian always used to put his nose down
like this
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and put his ears out and talk like that.
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You know, like working people.
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Oh, they were awful.
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Shit, by then they were like jerking it up,
you know.
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I mean, it was them against us
in the most obvious way,
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you know what I mean?
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Sort of, I don't know, perverted anarchy.
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What about the standard charge
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that no one would let their daughter
marry a Rolling Stone,
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but they wouldn't mind if the daughter
married a Beatle?
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-Here's the living proof.
-Two of them already did, you know.
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-I married one.
-You married a Rolling Stone?
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What's this about you walking around
in bathing suits
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and being over those girls in Texas.
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No, it was in Florida. No, it was in Georgia!
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And what can you expect from Georgia?
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Georgia is full of idiots.
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You're always being accused of being
vulgar, obstinate and hostile. Are you?
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That's right, yes.
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We're uncouth and obstinate.
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Hostile, maybe,
but I don't think vulgar and hostile.
233
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-Hostile when we're approached by...
-So many people don't like the truth, man.
234
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What do you give credit
for your success now? What is it?
235
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-Music.
-Music?
236
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-Music.
-Our records.
237
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Anything that you'd like to say right
now before the camera rolls out?
238
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-Good-bye!
-Good-bye!
239
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How much of your act is acting?
240
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Well, I suppose really all of it is acting,
you know.
241
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But it really there's a difference
between acting and not enjoying it
242
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and acting and just doing
what you want to do.
243
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It's like getting into a part.
244
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As a singer and doing a performance,
245
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you've gotta be very finely attuned
to what's going on in the audience.
246
00:24:58,833 --> 00:25:01,457
Little Richard literally taught me this stuff.
247
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I watched how he would
harangue the crowd almost.
248
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He would tease them.
249
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"Everybody stand up! I said stand up!"
You know, and they would.
250
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He was outrageous.
But it kept it all alive, you know,
251
00:25:18,166 --> 00:25:20,207
and you never quite knew
what was going to happen.
252
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In those days, we only played covers.
253
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The first album's all covers.
254
00:25:43,416 --> 00:25:44,665
I remember having to discussion,
255
00:25:44,750 --> 00:25:47,749
"Well, what are we gonna do now,
we can't make a second album of covers".
256
00:25:48,333 --> 00:25:51,957
We already knew we'd come to the wall there.
257
00:25:52,375 --> 00:25:53,999
Andrew Oldham said,
258
00:25:54,083 --> 00:25:57,915
"If you want to keep going, you've gotta...
You need new material."
259
00:25:58,208 --> 00:26:01,499
Well, this is something
I couldn't have conceived.
260
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I was songwriter, it's like, hey,
the blacksmith does the ironwork,
261
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:08,415
and the horse wears 'em,
you know what I mean?
262
00:26:10,333 --> 00:26:14,874
Suddenly, you know, just playing guitar
and playing blues,
263
00:26:14,958 --> 00:26:17,082
suddenly wasn't enough, you know.
264
00:26:17,958 --> 00:26:21,332
Now I wanted to invent things for me to play.
265
00:26:28,541 --> 00:26:30,832
Write it on the top of this. Yeah.
266
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I know, sometimes we can duplicate.
267
00:26:32,166 --> 00:26:34,499
-Sitting on a fence.
-Sitting on a fence?
268
00:26:37,375 --> 00:26:40,374
It's very hard to play the proper title.
269
00:26:40,458 --> 00:26:42,749
That's easy, that's good. That's all right.
270
00:26:42,833 --> 00:26:46,124
But I just wanted to make it like
he was sitting on a fence
271
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and couldn't make up his mind
between one girl and the other.
272
00:26:48,333 --> 00:26:51,082
And he couldn't stand sitting on the fence
because it was getting very painful.
273
00:26:54,291 --> 00:26:56,665
We'd started experimenting with writing.
274
00:26:56,708 --> 00:26:57,999
Well, we weren't maybe very good at it.
275
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But we were trying.
You know, maybe not everybody can write.
276
00:27:09,833 --> 00:27:11,999
We went on to write a whole load of crap.
277
00:27:14,958 --> 00:27:18,165
And we didn't dare
for months, and months, and months
278
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to write a song for the Stones, you know.
279
00:27:20,666 --> 00:27:24,082
Oh, God, man, that's a whole other trip,
you know.
280
00:27:35,083 --> 00:27:39,582
The first song I remember writing
with the Rolling Stones was Tell Me,
281
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which is a tiny, minor, mini hit.
282
00:27:43,625 --> 00:27:47,790
You know, it was very gratifying
because we'd only done these cover songs.
283
00:28:08,458 --> 00:28:10,790
Every little moment we had
of hanging around,
284
00:28:10,833 --> 00:28:13,624
Keith and I used to be sitting
with guitars trying to write songs.
285
00:28:13,666 --> 00:28:17,332
We wrote songs all the time.
We were constantly coming up with ideas.
286
00:28:17,375 --> 00:28:20,624
We started writing songs that were reflective
of the time we were living in
287
00:28:20,666 --> 00:28:23,332
and that struck a chord with our audience.
288
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And you're connecting,
you're getting a lot of feedback.
289
00:28:40,625 --> 00:28:42,624
I mean, you're feeling
what the audience is feeling.
290
00:28:42,666 --> 00:28:47,999
So you're, you're exchanging
with the audience a kind of ideas stream.
291
00:29:20,541 --> 00:29:22,082
What's your opinion of the Rolling Stones?
292
00:29:22,166 --> 00:29:24,124
I think that they're the greatest,
they dress different,
293
00:29:24,166 --> 00:29:26,874
and they're the best thing to ever happen
in the United States.
294
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,499
They're so ugly that they're appealing.
295
00:29:32,208 --> 00:29:34,832
What would happen
if they took the Rolling Stones
296
00:29:34,916 --> 00:29:38,499
and all these other rock and rollers away.
What would happen to you kids?
297
00:29:38,833 --> 00:29:41,707
I don't know, these parents would
be very happy, I can tell you that much.
298
00:29:46,750 --> 00:29:48,832
How's your popularity in Europe
at this moment?
299
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,957
Very good, I think. Very healthy.
300
00:30:16,625 --> 00:30:20,082
The kids are looking for something else,
or some different moral value,
301
00:30:20,166 --> 00:30:21,832
they gotta strive for something else,
302
00:30:21,875 --> 00:30:25,249
instead of just the same routine
their parents were born into.
303
00:30:25,333 --> 00:30:27,165
Splash on Ice Blue Aqua Velva.
304
00:30:45,708 --> 00:30:47,332
Creamy lather!
305
00:30:55,083 --> 00:30:58,999
I can't express myself in the right way
when I feel satisfied with the world.
306
00:31:02,666 --> 00:31:07,415
It's very easy if I feel very dissatisfied
with something, I can write about that.
307
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:11,249
Why then if you think that most of your
records are about dissatisfaction and so on,
308
00:31:11,333 --> 00:31:13,665
why do you think you're so popular?
309
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:16,165
Because most young people are dissatisfied.
310
00:31:16,250 --> 00:31:17,624
In what way?
311
00:31:18,583 --> 00:31:22,290
With the generation which they think
is running their lives.
312
00:31:22,375 --> 00:31:24,999
What things are you dissatisfied with?
313
00:31:26,125 --> 00:31:28,457
The generation that runs our lives.
314
00:32:05,125 --> 00:32:10,665
When these girls pounce upon Mick,
and seem to want to tear him to pieces,
315
00:32:10,750 --> 00:32:17,165
it's not essentially an act of aggression,
but rather, an act of devouring him.
316
00:32:17,208 --> 00:32:20,499
They want to incorporate his essence.
317
00:32:20,583 --> 00:32:23,999
It's a sort of fetish, fetishism,
which has more in common
318
00:32:24,083 --> 00:32:26,665
with people collecting the relics of saints,
319
00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:30,249
as they did in the ancient past,
there's really no break
320
00:32:30,333 --> 00:32:33,374
with the ancient tradition,
it's just a question of form.
321
00:32:33,625 --> 00:32:37,749
I've seen this with the most marvellous,
dramatic intensity
322
00:32:37,833 --> 00:32:40,624
with two or three thousand young girls
in Manchester,
323
00:32:40,666 --> 00:32:43,999
and these girls, they wept,
they were possessed by the spirit,
324
00:32:44,125 --> 00:32:48,124
and I may add that all their little panties
were soaking wet at the end,
325
00:32:48,166 --> 00:32:51,249
I mean complete physical
and mental absorption.
326
00:32:51,333 --> 00:32:54,499
I think that's very true and...
327
00:32:54,583 --> 00:32:59,499
But I think what's more interesting is
that in this country
328
00:32:59,916 --> 00:33:01,957
the audience is, indeed, all girls,
329
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,624
and they do behave in this way,
330
00:33:03,666 --> 00:33:07,165
but, in the rest of the world, this isn't true.
331
00:33:07,333 --> 00:33:12,582
In lots of places, they're nearly all boys.
With the boys, it erupts, you know.
332
00:33:12,666 --> 00:33:14,665
-Aggressiveness can be...
-Much more aggressively.
333
00:33:14,708 --> 00:33:18,332
And they use it
to have a great fight with the police,
334
00:33:18,375 --> 00:33:22,665
they just beat the police up,
as a show of sort of strength,
335
00:33:22,791 --> 00:33:26,040
and a show of dissatisfaction
with something.
336
00:33:49,791 --> 00:33:51,207
We had riots every night.
337
00:33:52,833 --> 00:33:54,332
It was insane.
338
00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:00,915
I think they just wanted to be part of that
rebellious thing that we were instigating.
339
00:34:02,041 --> 00:34:05,540
They weren't attacking us,
it was always having goes at police.
340
00:34:19,875 --> 00:34:26,082
Now we're entering the area of social unrest
manifesting itself in a crowd situation.
341
00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:29,415
You're just merely the catalyst of the crowd,
342
00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:33,540
it could be anything, a football match,
but you're it on that day.
343
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,624
I mean, they like the group as well,
otherwise they wouldn't come.
344
00:34:39,666 --> 00:34:42,582
That's just only half of the show.
345
00:34:42,833 --> 00:34:46,124
The other half of the show
is them participating in a riot.
346
00:34:59,666 --> 00:35:01,457
What makes you think there would be a riot?
347
00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:06,290
Well, the Stones seem to have a history
of creating violence wherever they go.
348
00:35:55,958 --> 00:35:57,624
There are a lot of things
that the establishment
349
00:35:57,666 --> 00:36:01,082
does not like about Mick Jagger,
but perhaps what rankles most is
350
00:36:01,166 --> 00:36:04,749
that he speaks to a vast segment
of the population that they can't.
351
00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:08,999
They cross a barrier that at times,
must be measured in light years,
352
00:36:09,041 --> 00:36:12,749
the two generations eye each other
warily and distrustfully.
353
00:36:21,666 --> 00:36:25,415
It felt like an explosive moment.
354
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:29,582
People felt this sensation
that something was going on
355
00:36:29,666 --> 00:36:33,582
that had never happened before
that they'd been waiting to happen.
356
00:36:40,791 --> 00:36:46,082
And it was at that same time in London
that all kinds of shit was hitting the fan.
357
00:36:46,833 --> 00:36:48,332
And of course we joined in.
358
00:37:02,208 --> 00:37:05,707
Our sort of success is a first-class ticket,
359
00:37:05,791 --> 00:37:09,249
you know, to a lot of things.
360
00:37:12,541 --> 00:37:16,957
We all smoked dope, I mean except for Bill,
but it was pretty innocent stuff.
361
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,957
And then you got more
and more different drugs coming in,
362
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,832
LSD, and cocaine,
heroin and all these things.
363
00:37:22,916 --> 00:37:25,040
What do you think of LSD? Is it nice?
364
00:37:25,833 --> 00:37:28,249
It's very nice, I think. LSD's very nice.
365
00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:32,415
It was like an orgy of drugs, actually.
366
00:37:37,833 --> 00:37:42,957
And those drugs were a great interest
to the press and the general public.
367
00:37:53,583 --> 00:37:56,457
The News of the World was a newspaper
368
00:37:56,500 --> 00:38:01,999
that liked to reveal the faults in society,
and they follow people,
369
00:38:02,083 --> 00:38:05,124
they put private detectives on people
and unfortunately...
370
00:38:06,125 --> 00:38:09,624
There's a set of unfortunate circumstances...
371
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:14,915
So, we're having this party
at Keith's house in Redlands,
372
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,874
and we went off for this expedition.
373
00:38:18,458 --> 00:38:23,540
We took acid, and then
it took a long while to start. It always does.
374
00:38:27,041 --> 00:38:30,665
And we met someone
who was milking a cow.
375
00:38:31,833 --> 00:38:33,665
I don't like milk very much.
376
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:36,207
And they said,
"Oh, come on, Mick, try the milk".
377
00:38:36,291 --> 00:38:39,249
When you're on acid,
you know, everything's different.
378
00:38:41,958 --> 00:38:47,249
I still didn't like the milk, I mean, acid,
fresh, cow, you know, everything.
379
00:38:47,333 --> 00:38:49,540
And we walked back down to the car
and went back to Redlands,
380
00:38:49,625 --> 00:38:51,665
and by which time it was evening.
381
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,165
So we're all coming down,
and it's a very smooth come-down.
382
00:39:00,250 --> 00:39:02,790
And we're just sitting around
smoking a couple of joints.
383
00:39:02,833 --> 00:39:06,499
And bang-bang-bang on the door.
384
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:22,374
What had been a lovely day on acid,
turned out to be a really unpleasant evening.
385
00:39:22,458 --> 00:39:25,082
The News of the World told the police
there was a big drug party,
386
00:39:25,166 --> 00:39:28,374
and they should go
and break it up and arrest everybody.
387
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:32,540
A national newspaper
had tipped off the police
388
00:39:32,625 --> 00:39:35,082
that it would be worth their while
to raid Richards' home
389
00:39:35,166 --> 00:39:37,582
for drugs on the Sunday afternoon,
390
00:39:37,666 --> 00:39:39,999
and the raid was carried out
on that Sunday evening.
391
00:39:40,083 --> 00:39:41,582
There was a gasp of pure horror
392
00:39:41,666 --> 00:39:43,749
from the youngsters crowded
into the public gallery.
393
00:39:43,833 --> 00:39:46,832
At the moment, Judge Block
said sternly to Richard
394
00:39:46,916 --> 00:39:50,457
that the offence carried
a maximum sentence of 10 years.
395
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:56,165
Emotionally speaking, it was very difficult.
396
00:39:56,208 --> 00:39:57,749
Because they thought
we're gonna be put away
397
00:39:57,833 --> 00:40:00,332
and never make another record
for years and years,
398
00:40:00,375 --> 00:40:02,707
and people were going
to have prison sentences.
399
00:40:02,791 --> 00:40:06,332
It wasn't just a fine
and a rap across the knuckles.
400
00:40:09,125 --> 00:40:12,540
We just kinda thought
that was the end of the band, really.
401
00:40:12,625 --> 00:40:16,040
We never knew who was going
to be in or out of jail,
402
00:40:16,125 --> 00:40:18,707
and whether there was a future and all that.
403
00:40:19,583 --> 00:40:23,249
Did you feel that you were being persecuted
for being a Rolling Stone?
404
00:40:23,375 --> 00:40:28,957
It was obvious that that notoriety
plus the press thing turned it into,
405
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,957
you know, yes, you're, it was a good bust
for the police, wasn't it?
406
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,582
And fun for the press.
407
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,290
There goes lunch
for Richards and Jagger in the cells.
408
00:40:37,333 --> 00:40:41,165
Prawn cocktail, roast lamb with mint sauce,
fresh strawberries and cream,
409
00:40:41,250 --> 00:40:42,915
twenty-one and six for Jagger.
410
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,832
Ice melon, salmon salad, fresh fruit,
strawberries and cream,
411
00:40:45,875 --> 00:40:46,999
twenty-two and six for Richards,
412
00:40:47,041 --> 00:40:50,499
and a half bottle of Beaujolais
at 10 bob a head for each.
413
00:40:50,583 --> 00:40:55,165
I've never been in court before, and
I can't stand the way he's talking to me.
414
00:40:55,208 --> 00:40:57,207
He's pointing, calling me "reprobate,"
415
00:40:57,291 --> 00:41:02,249
and, you know, "menace to society,"
and all that.
416
00:41:02,333 --> 00:41:08,415
All I said was,
"Sir, I'm not interested in your petty morals".
417
00:41:09,541 --> 00:41:12,165
Which gave me a year in the slammer.
418
00:41:13,166 --> 00:41:17,374
There was a dead silence as the judge added,
"You will go to prison for one year".
419
00:41:17,458 --> 00:41:21,999
And Richard, who earlier had talked in his
evidence of what he called, "petty morals,"
420
00:41:22,083 --> 00:41:24,540
went down to the cells without expression.
421
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,707
Jagger put his hand to his face
as he was given three months.
422
00:41:28,791 --> 00:41:30,457
For a moment he looked like fainting,
423
00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:35,665
then prison officers moved forward to take
his arms and help him down to the cells.
424
00:41:35,708 --> 00:41:39,665
Mick was taken to Brixton,
and they sent me to Wormwood Scrubs,
425
00:41:39,791 --> 00:41:42,165
which is, like, even worse.
426
00:41:42,250 --> 00:41:44,165
It's like Folsom.
427
00:41:45,833 --> 00:41:50,332
And I’m walking, I’m doing my first day,
you know, got the uniform on,
428
00:41:50,375 --> 00:41:53,707
and we're walking around
this courtyard in a circle, you know,
429
00:41:53,791 --> 00:41:56,082
exercise, it's called.
430
00:41:56,166 --> 00:42:00,624
And then I get a tap on the shoulder
from one of the other cons behind me.
431
00:42:00,708 --> 00:42:03,082
And he says, "You're out".
432
00:42:03,166 --> 00:42:05,832
He said, "We heard it on the radio".
433
00:42:05,958 --> 00:42:07,999
Thank Christ for that.
434
00:42:08,666 --> 00:42:12,665
London, it's years since such crowds
gathered to await an appeal verdict.
435
00:42:12,750 --> 00:42:16,374
But this was a Rolling Stones case,
with the fans out in force.
436
00:42:16,458 --> 00:42:18,832
When Mick Jagger
was conditionally discharged
437
00:42:18,916 --> 00:42:20,915
and Keith Richards' sentence quashed,
438
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,707
the pop idols drove off,
the shadow of jail no longer over them.
439
00:42:27,458 --> 00:42:30,499
I think I looked at it at the time as like,
"They can try all they want,
440
00:42:30,583 --> 00:42:33,915
"they won't make it stick
because I’ve got all these people out there.
441
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,957
"And unless I murdered somebody,
they're gonna insist I’m out".
442
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:44,165
You've been targeted, but then you can
revel in your rebelliousness if you want,
443
00:42:44,208 --> 00:42:46,707
because people are doing that for you,
don't forget people are saying,
444
00:42:46,791 --> 00:42:49,165
"Oh, it's awful, they've been targeted".
445
00:42:49,208 --> 00:42:54,374
It cemented our relationships
with our generation, with the public.
446
00:42:54,750 --> 00:42:58,957
And it sort of gave us a badge of honour,
in a way, you know.
447
00:42:59,041 --> 00:43:02,874
To me it just made me, like, say,
"Okay, now you know who I am.
448
00:43:03,125 --> 00:43:07,749
"You've basically given me a licence now".
It was Jesse James time.
449
00:43:07,833 --> 00:43:10,499
I mean the cops turned me into a criminal.
450
00:43:10,583 --> 00:43:14,665
You know that's when
I started carrying a shooter in America.
451
00:43:14,750 --> 00:43:16,374
So, the outlaw was born?
452
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,624
Yeah, I mean it was fully blown.
453
00:43:19,666 --> 00:43:22,415
That was when we really put
the black hat on, you know?
454
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:25,665
I mean before that,
it was just sort of off-grey.
455
00:44:39,666 --> 00:44:44,165
Well, in a way I kind of felt that
everybody else was writing a script for me.
456
00:44:44,208 --> 00:44:47,415
And you're going to do what I can't.
457
00:44:47,500 --> 00:44:51,749
Okay. That's a very easy role to slip into.
458
00:44:51,833 --> 00:44:55,332
There's a slot available,
and it was just built for me.
459
00:44:59,125 --> 00:45:02,790
If you're a method actor,
you always stay in character.
460
00:45:04,208 --> 00:45:05,874
This character has changed.
461
00:45:05,958 --> 00:45:08,665
Yes, it's changed a lot,
this character's had a lot of changes.
462
00:45:08,708 --> 00:45:11,082
It's not just one change, he's gone through,
463
00:45:12,666 --> 00:45:16,165
you know, every six months another person.
464
00:45:18,708 --> 00:45:21,290
Every actor's character
is part of themselves.
465
00:45:21,333 --> 00:45:23,582
You can only act what's in you.
466
00:45:29,375 --> 00:45:31,624
The Jumping Jack Flash character is more
467
00:45:31,666 --> 00:45:34,999
"been through the mill
and come out the other side smiling".
468
00:45:36,208 --> 00:45:38,790
The Sympathy character's
much more complicated
469
00:45:38,833 --> 00:45:43,582
because my inspiration for that came
from Baudelaire and The Master of Margarita,
470
00:45:43,666 --> 00:45:45,999
and so I had all these things going on.
471
00:45:55,291 --> 00:45:57,874
It's very much for the time and everything.
472
00:45:57,958 --> 00:46:01,040
I mean, it's got the violence of the time in it.
473
00:46:02,250 --> 00:46:03,540
It's provocative.
474
00:46:49,625 --> 00:46:53,499
The violence was all-pervasive,
and you can't help but live in it
475
00:46:53,541 --> 00:46:55,749
and reflect it back again,
476
00:46:55,833 --> 00:46:58,957
and then of course it goes
into a feedback loop.
477
00:47:50,416 --> 00:47:53,207
I mean, in a way,
the Rolling Stones overtake you.
478
00:47:54,333 --> 00:47:57,332
And it's almost like you're sort of levitating.
479
00:47:59,083 --> 00:48:02,999
You don't even want to touch the strings
'cause they're doing it themselves.
480
00:48:03,125 --> 00:48:04,790
And, anyway, they'd be too hot.
481
00:49:23,375 --> 00:49:26,832
Brian was this very talented, unusual guy.
482
00:49:26,875 --> 00:49:31,165
He played all these things,
which gave what we did a flavour,
483
00:49:31,250 --> 00:49:34,624
but his involvement in the band dwindled.
484
00:49:34,666 --> 00:49:39,915
Keith and I took drugs, but Brian took
too many drugs of the wrong kind,
485
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,582
and he wasn't functioning as a musician.
486
00:49:42,666 --> 00:49:44,999
I don't think he was
that interested in contributing
487
00:49:45,083 --> 00:49:47,499
to the Rolling Stones any more.
488
00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:51,665
We didn't even expect him to be there.
489
00:49:51,708 --> 00:49:54,499
If he turned up,
we'd find something for him to do.
490
00:49:55,666 --> 00:49:57,624
You know, I'll ask him,
you know, "You got anything?"
491
00:49:57,666 --> 00:50:01,165
You know, "What do you think about this?
You want to put something over this?"
492
00:50:01,208 --> 00:50:06,249
But, no, by then he was already in,
you know, bye-bye land.
493
00:50:07,916 --> 00:50:10,540
You certainly didn't know
if he was gonna turn up
494
00:50:10,625 --> 00:50:11,665
and what state he was gonna be,
495
00:50:11,708 --> 00:50:14,540
and then what was he gonna be able
to do in that state,
496
00:50:14,625 --> 00:50:16,665
what job could you give him.
497
00:50:16,750 --> 00:50:19,374
And then one time
when we sat around on the floor,
498
00:50:19,458 --> 00:50:23,582
we played in a circle,
playing No Expectations,
499
00:50:23,666 --> 00:50:26,624
and he picked up the guitar
and played a very pretty lines on it,
500
00:50:26,666 --> 00:50:28,332
which you can hear on the record.
501
00:50:42,625 --> 00:50:47,665
And that was the last thing
I remember him doing that was Brian,
502
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:52,332
or the Brian that could contribute something
very pretty and sensitive,
503
00:50:52,375 --> 00:50:56,082
and it made the record sound wonderful.
504
00:51:27,500 --> 00:51:30,999
My ultimate aim in life
was never to be a pop star.
505
00:51:31,083 --> 00:51:34,957
I enjoy it with reservations.
506
00:51:35,458 --> 00:51:40,832
But I’m not really sort of
satisfied either artistically or personally.
507
00:51:58,166 --> 00:52:00,540
Let's face it.
508
00:52:00,625 --> 00:52:03,832
The future as a Rolling Stone
is very uncertain.
509
00:52:09,125 --> 00:52:11,165
I remember Mick and Keith saying,
510
00:52:11,208 --> 00:52:14,624
you know, "We can't go on like this,
we need another guy".
511
00:52:14,666 --> 00:52:16,957
We did need somebody else.
512
00:52:18,166 --> 00:52:21,957
Do you remember what happened
that day when you went over there?
513
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,790
No. Can't remember.
514
00:52:24,333 --> 00:52:27,999
But I remember it wasn't very nice.
515
00:52:35,333 --> 00:52:38,665
It was a very, very difficult decision to make.
516
00:52:39,125 --> 00:52:40,957
This was someone that you'd
517
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,665
spent the beginning of the band with
and, I mean, it was horrible.
518
00:52:48,125 --> 00:52:51,957
We said to Brian, "This isn't working out,"
519
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:56,624
and he sort of said, "Yes, it isn't".
And, it was very sad.
520
00:52:58,833 --> 00:53:03,499
And it was, I felt awful afterwards,
I remember that, I felt really terrible.
521
00:53:06,666 --> 00:53:09,124
He was the author
of his own misfortunes, really,
522
00:53:09,166 --> 00:53:14,332
but when you look back on it now, you think
surely we could have done something.
523
00:53:14,375 --> 00:53:16,874
You know, did something
more than just that.
524
00:53:30,333 --> 00:53:33,332
We were working in the studio
with Jimmy Miller.
525
00:53:35,791 --> 00:53:38,999
And someone came in and said,
"Brian's just died".
526
00:53:40,458 --> 00:53:44,457
Everybody just looks at each other and goes,
527
00:53:44,541 --> 00:53:45,874
"Finally".
528
00:53:48,416 --> 00:53:52,415
It was almost like it was bound to happen,
one way or another.
529
00:53:53,791 --> 00:53:56,082
It was a horrible moment,
530
00:53:56,166 --> 00:54:00,624
and I don't know how many months later that
was from when we went down to see him.
531
00:54:00,666 --> 00:54:02,457
He died three weeks later.
532
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,665
Fuck.
533
00:54:05,208 --> 00:54:09,249
About midnight, Jones went for a swim
with his Swedish girlfriend, Anna Wohlin,
534
00:54:09,333 --> 00:54:11,999
and another friend, Mr Frank Thorogood.
535
00:54:12,083 --> 00:54:16,040
After a time, Mr Thorogood
and the girl went back to the house.
536
00:54:16,125 --> 00:54:19,165
When they returned they saw Jones
at the bottom of the pool,
537
00:54:19,291 --> 00:54:20,624
and they pulled him out.
538
00:54:57,875 --> 00:54:59,915
You know, it doesn't hit you straight away,
539
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:05,332
I mean, I think my first reaction was, "Brian,
after all of the things we've been through,
540
00:55:07,291 --> 00:55:10,790
"it's, you know,
you don't have to croak over it".
541
00:55:14,666 --> 00:55:17,082
Was there a reason
you didn't go to his funeral?
542
00:55:17,166 --> 00:55:19,124
It was gonna be too much of a circus.
543
00:55:20,208 --> 00:55:25,624
And, anyway, I don't, I never even went
to my mother's funeral, or my father's.
544
00:55:25,666 --> 00:55:27,915
They didn't have one.
545
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,915
We're like that in my family, you know?
My dad is now an oak tree.
546
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,082
We put his ashes
in this enormous oak tree growing,
547
00:55:35,166 --> 00:55:38,165
and every year it gets a little bigger.
548
00:55:38,208 --> 00:55:41,707
And my mom, she said,
"Don't make no fuss over me, boy".
549
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,499
I promise I’ll make no fuss, Mom.
550
00:55:49,333 --> 00:55:51,499
And Hyde Park was the funeral.
551
00:55:51,833 --> 00:55:55,165
And the bit about burying
and the shovels and all of that,
552
00:55:55,291 --> 00:55:58,999
it's not that important to me,
that was his funeral.
553
00:55:59,166 --> 00:56:02,999
The Hyde Park concert was
two days after Brian died.
554
00:56:03,083 --> 00:56:06,207
In front of almost 500,000 people in London.
555
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,957
The concert had become in his memory when
it obviously hadn't been planned like that,
556
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,957
but it had assumed that feeling.
557
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:19,957
That morning of the concert,
they all met in my suite.
558
00:56:21,333 --> 00:56:23,874
Mick was in the corner and he was in tears.
559
00:56:25,333 --> 00:56:30,540
I said, "Mick, you've gotta
just toughen up and move on.
560
00:56:30,625 --> 00:56:32,499
"That's all you do, that's all we can do.
561
00:56:32,583 --> 00:56:35,540
"We just move on
and do what we planned to do".
562
00:56:51,166 --> 00:56:53,332
The Stones are real-live people,
not like the Beatles
563
00:56:53,375 --> 00:56:56,290
with these seven days in bed,
and they're true to life.
564
00:56:56,583 --> 00:56:58,540
They're totally anti-establishment,
565
00:56:58,625 --> 00:57:01,374
and everybody in the establishment
has always bugged the Stones.
566
00:57:01,500 --> 00:57:03,707
And people are gonna have
that feeling for them.
567
00:57:03,791 --> 00:57:05,540
What do you make of all this?
568
00:57:05,625 --> 00:57:09,290
As a member of the older generation,
do you think it's all out of place here?
569
00:57:10,666 --> 00:57:14,707
Of course, in a way, yes. Of course.
570
00:57:14,791 --> 00:57:18,082
What about your wife?
What do you make of this, madam?
571
00:57:18,166 --> 00:57:20,832
-That's not my wife.
-That's not your wife, I’m very sorry.
572
00:57:20,875 --> 00:57:23,457
I mean, you see Hyde Park covered in people,
573
00:57:23,500 --> 00:57:26,999
instead of, you know,
the normal view, you know, grass.
574
00:57:29,333 --> 00:57:32,790
And, I haven't been on stage
for a year or so, you know?
575
00:57:32,833 --> 00:57:39,165
And it was like a sort of talk about,
into the deep end.
576
00:57:40,166 --> 00:57:44,999
"Oh, let's try a club or two first".
Naw, Hyde Park, 500,000.
577
00:57:47,416 --> 00:57:50,915
But I think it was a good baptism
of fire for Mick Taylor.
578
00:58:08,333 --> 00:58:09,999
John Lennon once said
579
00:58:10,041 --> 00:58:14,499
that the Rolling Stones would break up
over Brian Jones' dead body.
580
00:58:14,541 --> 00:58:19,832
What do you think it is about the Stones
that enable them to stay together?
581
00:58:19,875 --> 00:58:25,624
I think, basically, it was their decision
to start touring again.
582
00:58:26,291 --> 00:58:29,707
Because before I joined the group,
they'd been making records.
583
00:58:29,791 --> 00:58:33,665
They hadn't really played before the public
for nearly two years.
584
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:37,249
So in a sense, when I joined the group,
it was virtually a new group.
585
00:58:59,125 --> 00:59:01,749
I was 20, almost 21.
586
00:59:02,541 --> 00:59:06,624
I had just finished a six-week American tour
with John Mayall.
587
00:59:06,666 --> 00:59:08,915
I got a phone call from Mick saying
588
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,499
the Stones will need
a replacement for Brian, and...
589
00:59:12,875 --> 00:59:14,999
So I became part of the band.
590
00:59:33,166 --> 00:59:36,582
We were playing at stadiums,
that were, you know, full.
591
00:59:36,666 --> 00:59:39,207
You could sort of
glance back over the amplifiers,
592
00:59:39,291 --> 00:59:41,499
and you could see the limousines bouncing,
593
00:59:41,583 --> 00:59:46,040
you know, because the energy in the stadium
was so... It was electric.
594
00:59:47,625 --> 00:59:53,165
To me, the real interest in playing guitar is
to play guitar with another guy.
595
00:59:53,208 --> 00:59:57,082
Two guitars together, if you get it right,
596
00:59:57,166 --> 00:59:59,832
it can become like an orchestra.
597
00:59:59,958 --> 01:00:03,082
And Mick Taylor's a virtuoso.
598
01:00:24,958 --> 01:00:26,374
Oh, yeah!
599
01:00:27,500 --> 01:00:28,999
Thank you kindly!
600
01:00:29,708 --> 01:00:32,499
I’ve been following the Stones
ever since they first started.
601
01:00:32,541 --> 01:00:34,999
-How old were you then?
-Thirteen.
602
01:00:35,458 --> 01:00:36,832
-Do you have tickets?
-Yes.
603
01:00:37,333 --> 01:00:41,290
There's a rumour that Mick Jagger's
supposed to come out in his birthday suit.
604
01:00:41,375 --> 01:00:42,915
Are you expecting that?
605
01:00:43,416 --> 01:00:45,499
I hope he does.
606
01:00:45,583 --> 01:00:47,832
-You won't be shocked?
-Of course not!
607
01:01:31,166 --> 01:01:34,665
At the end of the '69 tour,
we went to Muscle Shoals,
608
01:01:34,750 --> 01:01:40,499
and we cut Wild Horses, Brown Sugar
and You Gotta Move, which are great tracks.
609
01:01:50,958 --> 01:01:53,332
During those recording sessions,
or just before,
610
01:01:53,458 --> 01:01:57,749
somebody must have put it
to somebody in the Stones organisation
611
01:01:57,833 --> 01:02:00,082
that we went to Altamont to do a free concert.
612
01:02:05,166 --> 01:02:08,415
It was never planned
to be part of the 1969 tour.
613
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,582
It was really just a throwaway.
614
01:02:14,666 --> 01:02:17,415
You know, a lot of these free shows
were going on, and we said,
615
01:02:17,500 --> 01:02:19,915
well, you know, "Why don't we do one?"
616
01:02:20,666 --> 01:02:24,415
I read in one of the papers that you will be
giving a free concert in San Francisco.
617
01:02:24,500 --> 01:02:27,332
We are doing a free concert in San Francisco.
618
01:02:27,416 --> 01:02:30,165
-When?
-On December 6th.
619
01:02:30,750 --> 01:02:36,915
It's creating a sort of a microcosmic society,
which sets an example to the rest of America,
620
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,249
as to how one can behave
in large gatherings.
621
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,040
Your mind is not really on that gig,
622
01:02:43,125 --> 01:02:47,249
so we'll just get it together, and when they've
got it together, we'll go there and do it.
623
01:02:47,333 --> 01:02:48,499
Simple as that.
624
01:02:48,541 --> 01:02:50,499
Just a quick question, though,
you were at Woodstock,
625
01:02:50,583 --> 01:02:52,665
and you've now been out to Altamont, right?
Last night.
626
01:02:52,708 --> 01:02:54,540
How does it stack up, do you have the room.
627
01:02:54,625 --> 01:02:57,499
-I think we have the room, sure.
-Is this going to be Woodstock west?
628
01:02:57,541 --> 01:02:59,374
Well, it's going to be San Francisco.
629
01:03:00,625 --> 01:03:04,624
You know, we were doing an arena tour
and jumped off the engine
630
01:03:04,708 --> 01:03:07,790
to free concerts in empty hills.
631
01:03:26,291 --> 01:03:28,124
They hit Mick, somebody hit him!
632
01:03:37,875 --> 01:03:43,915
There are a number of people on and around
this stage who should not be here.
633
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,124
No!
634
01:03:46,500 --> 01:03:49,415
I want to see Mick Jagger, God damn!
635
01:03:51,083 --> 01:03:53,332
The whole thing was out of control.
636
01:03:53,833 --> 01:03:59,540
I mean, all normality and control had gone,
there was no, nothing.
637
01:04:09,708 --> 01:04:12,749
The Hells Angels were
the people doing the security,
638
01:04:12,833 --> 01:04:16,915
so, you know, we thought, "That's the way
they do things in San Francisco," you know.
639
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,332
It was a very hippie, dippie thing.
640
01:04:21,375 --> 01:04:26,249
Except, these were actual, proper
Hells Angels.
641
01:04:27,166 --> 01:04:32,457
It was a bit like asking the Nazi Party
to sort out the front of the auditorium.
642
01:04:34,916 --> 01:04:37,832
When I got a bad vibe about it,
643
01:04:37,916 --> 01:04:40,832
was when I saw the condition of the Angels.
644
01:04:42,833 --> 01:04:46,499
Now I can tell, these guys are
on acid and ripple wine.
645
01:04:48,166 --> 01:04:54,499
And they're already in the early afternoon,
they're starting to get antsy, you know.
646
01:04:59,791 --> 01:05:03,165
These guys are out there,
just looking for trouble.
647
01:05:14,333 --> 01:05:15,832
And I think, "Uh-oh".
648
01:05:17,333 --> 01:05:19,499
This will get ugly tonight.
649
01:05:21,208 --> 01:05:22,665
And it did.
650
01:05:36,875 --> 01:05:38,832
Oh, babies.
651
01:05:41,666 --> 01:05:43,665
There are so many of you.
652
01:05:44,833 --> 01:05:48,332
Just be cool down up front there
and don't push around.
653
01:05:50,541 --> 01:05:53,415
Just keep still, keep together.
654
01:05:56,250 --> 01:05:57,290
Oh, yeah.
655
01:07:28,666 --> 01:07:31,999
We were scared. I mean, it was scary.
656
01:07:32,041 --> 01:07:33,665
And these people were crazy,
657
01:07:33,708 --> 01:07:36,124
and they were like standing next to you,
658
01:07:36,166 --> 01:07:40,332
and we didn't know how to control it, stop it,
it was completely out of our control.
659
01:07:40,458 --> 01:07:42,499
It was just a nightmare.
660
01:07:56,250 --> 01:08:00,124
Everybody was fucking scared, man.
But I mean,
661
01:08:00,166 --> 01:08:04,374
I’m sure it's far more frightening to
people in the audience than it was for us.
662
01:08:04,833 --> 01:08:09,832
Keith! Keith! Keith!
Keith, will you cool it, and I’ll try and stop it.
663
01:08:10,708 --> 01:08:11,957
Hey, people.
664
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,999
Everybody just cool out!
665
01:08:17,208 --> 01:08:20,374
What we should have done is
just close shop and gone home.
666
01:08:20,458 --> 01:08:25,707
But you couldn't. You got 300,000 people
out there that have come, you know.
667
01:08:25,791 --> 01:08:29,540
People, I mean, who's fighting
and at what for?
668
01:08:29,916 --> 01:08:32,457
It's a hard line to call,
you know what I mean?
669
01:08:32,500 --> 01:08:35,165
If we'd have walked off,
I think there would have been a riot.
670
01:08:35,250 --> 01:08:37,040
Why are we fighting?
671
01:08:37,541 --> 01:08:41,665
So I just did the best I fucking could
under bad circumstances, you know?
672
01:08:41,791 --> 01:08:43,665
Look, cat, that guy there!
673
01:08:43,708 --> 01:08:45,874
If he doesn't stop it, man!
674
01:08:47,333 --> 01:08:50,832
Listen, either those cats cool it, man,
or we don't play.
675
01:08:53,333 --> 01:08:56,832
It was just realising
that you were out of control.
676
01:08:56,958 --> 01:08:59,165
The whole thing was out of control.
677
01:09:00,416 --> 01:09:05,249
If you were in any kind of arena or theatre,
you can just leave, you know, off stage.
678
01:09:05,333 --> 01:09:08,832
There wasn't, you were very aware
that you were sort of surrounded,
679
01:09:08,916 --> 01:09:12,207
so you were very vulnerable,
so that was the feeling.
680
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,165
That's why you shouldn't have
been in this situation.
681
01:09:20,583 --> 01:09:23,040
And then some bastard gets killed.
682
01:09:45,708 --> 01:09:47,040
What happened here anyway?
683
01:09:47,125 --> 01:09:48,499
-He pulled out a gun.
-He did?
684
01:09:48,583 --> 01:09:50,874
Yes. The Hells Angels took
the gun away from him.
685
01:09:50,958 --> 01:09:52,915
One of them has it now, he showed it to me.
686
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:57,374
And they proceeded to put him down
on the ground and started kicking him.
687
01:09:57,458 --> 01:10:01,332
And he has a couple stab wounds in his back
and one over his ear here.
688
01:10:01,375 --> 01:10:04,082
We tried to keep him alive, and when we got
here, the doctor checked him out,
689
01:10:04,166 --> 01:10:06,957
-and that was it.
-We pronounced him dead at 6:20.
690
01:11:05,791 --> 01:11:10,290
We were pretty beat up after Altamont.
691
01:11:13,125 --> 01:11:17,290
We were always thought
of after that as dangerous.
692
01:11:17,416 --> 01:11:18,499
We weren't really dangerous,
693
01:11:18,583 --> 01:11:20,999
but that's the way they looked at it,
you know.
694
01:11:23,625 --> 01:11:29,207
You had to endure all this
bloodletting and blame-throwing.
695
01:11:29,500 --> 01:11:32,624
So, you know, it wasn't a very good mood.
696
01:11:32,666 --> 01:11:36,332
We were in this maelstrom daily.
697
01:11:37,125 --> 01:11:40,957
It was like being in a river, you know,
that was flooded.
698
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,332
And you were just being dragged
all the way down this river.
699
01:11:44,666 --> 01:11:48,499
It's all a bit of a kaleidoscope.
700
01:11:48,583 --> 01:11:50,707
I was definitely on another planet at the time.
701
01:11:52,250 --> 01:11:57,499
Everybody's got a different way of dealing,
702
01:11:58,041 --> 01:12:02,040
and I didn't for a while, I took to the stuff.
703
01:12:03,333 --> 01:12:07,832
As I say, I never had a problem with drugs,
I just had a problem with cops.
704
01:12:08,541 --> 01:12:13,707
I'd been pushed up against my front door
by them leaping out of the bushes.
705
01:12:13,791 --> 01:12:17,874
They were just harassment, really.
You know there was a definite move on.
706
01:12:17,958 --> 01:12:21,874
It became obvious that, you know,
you had to make a decision.
707
01:12:21,958 --> 01:12:24,249
"Okay, we're moving".
708
01:12:27,166 --> 01:12:30,499
Keith always says that he was chased out
of England by the cops.
709
01:12:32,125 --> 01:12:35,790
He may believe that,
but I mean it's not actually true.
710
01:12:35,833 --> 01:12:39,124
The real reason the band left was money.
711
01:12:39,208 --> 01:12:42,457
We all thought that our taxes had been paid.
712
01:12:42,500 --> 01:12:48,707
We discovered in 1971 that we all owed
in the region of 100,000 pounds each.
713
01:12:49,958 --> 01:12:54,499
The income tax was so high that
to earn the money to pay back the tax,
714
01:12:54,541 --> 01:12:58,957
we decided that the best way of doing
that was to leave the UK.
715
01:13:01,625 --> 01:13:04,499
You know, we got shipped to France.
716
01:13:07,166 --> 01:13:10,832
I think in France I felt a sort of
lifting of the weight
717
01:13:10,916 --> 01:13:13,290
that I didn't realise was on me in England.
718
01:13:17,666 --> 01:13:20,707
We couldn't find a studio
in the south of France,
719
01:13:20,833 --> 01:13:24,665
so eventually we were rummaging,
I said, "I’ve got an enormous basement".
720
01:13:24,791 --> 01:13:28,707
I’d love to live on the factory, you know?
Saves going to the studio.
721
01:13:28,791 --> 01:13:31,290
It was great, just go downstairs.
722
01:13:36,666 --> 01:13:41,290
That whole period was incredibly intense
because it was a new beginning for the band,
723
01:13:42,625 --> 01:13:46,665
and once we picked up our guitars,
we were in our own world.
724
01:13:55,541 --> 01:13:58,499
It was a troglodyte existence down there
725
01:13:58,541 --> 01:14:03,957
and 9:00/10:00 at night
until 7:00 or 8:00 in the morning.
726
01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:09,124
The idea of playing a note
before the sun went down was ludicrous.
727
01:14:10,333 --> 01:14:11,999
I mean, it's like Dracula time.
728
01:14:18,708 --> 01:14:20,915
My kind of structure is
a kind of loose structure,
729
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:24,040
but when you have
no structure, it's really bad.
730
01:14:25,333 --> 01:14:28,165
Recording in the south of France
was like that
731
01:14:28,250 --> 01:14:30,999
because of all the drugs and everything.
732
01:14:37,458 --> 01:14:40,165
The junk was there to help me do the music.
733
01:14:40,208 --> 01:14:44,832
It gave me a space that I probably
wouldn't have found otherwise.
734
01:14:44,916 --> 01:14:49,665
I’d take anything if it helps me stay up
long enough to finish this damn song.
735
01:15:21,291 --> 01:15:24,790
There's a little bit of fighting in the tempo.
736
01:15:24,833 --> 01:15:27,540
You know, we would almost get
to the point of recording a song,
737
01:15:27,625 --> 01:15:31,749
Keith would have to leave because
he wanted another fix or whatever reason.
738
01:15:31,833 --> 01:15:32,999
It's a nightmare.
739
01:15:33,041 --> 01:15:38,124
Instead of working on a song for two hours,
you worked on it for two fucking weeks.
740
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,332
It just becomes disorganised.
741
01:15:50,375 --> 01:15:53,499
You got some recording engineers
strung out on heroin, you know,
742
01:15:53,583 --> 01:15:55,874
because they all want
to be strung out on heroin
743
01:15:55,958 --> 01:15:57,499
because they think it's the thing to do.
744
01:15:57,541 --> 01:16:01,540
Well, it isn't the thing to do
for a recording engineer, I can assure you.
745
01:16:03,666 --> 01:16:07,749
I thought it was quite amusing a lot of it.
746
01:16:07,833 --> 01:16:11,165
People sort of... They hang around Keith,
747
01:16:11,250 --> 01:16:13,999
and they think they're Keith.
It's like... It's ridiculous.
748
01:16:22,541 --> 01:16:25,415
Like your band always thrives
749
01:16:25,500 --> 01:16:27,915
-when there's...
-Adversity.
750
01:16:29,291 --> 01:16:32,665
I don't know, probably by then,
751
01:16:32,750 --> 01:16:36,832
I mean, we felt very much like
a sort of pirate nation to ourselves,
752
01:16:36,875 --> 01:16:40,124
and you dig in your heels and say,
753
01:16:40,166 --> 01:16:44,207
"We may go down, but we're not
going down your way," you know.
754
01:16:44,791 --> 01:16:47,665
So it kind of got
where the bulldog comes out.
755
01:17:04,083 --> 01:17:08,499
Before the 1972 tour, there was a letter
from the US State Department
756
01:17:08,666 --> 01:17:14,124
basically saying that if there was
any kind of fallout, we could be in trouble.
757
01:17:21,291 --> 01:17:25,249
They made a lot of threatening noises,
which creates this back-to-the-wall,
758
01:17:25,333 --> 01:17:27,415
Winston Churchill kind of stuff.
759
01:17:27,500 --> 01:17:32,165
That's all very, kind of, galvanising
and breeds a nice team spirit.
760
01:17:32,458 --> 01:17:34,165
If there are a lot of people who are convinced
761
01:17:34,250 --> 01:17:38,374
that, in some way, you and your music
are an evil influence.
762
01:17:39,083 --> 01:17:41,415
That must be a challenge
that you would take seriously
763
01:17:41,500 --> 01:17:44,040
-and want to reply to...
-Oh, yeah, I don't take it seriously any more.
764
01:17:44,125 --> 01:17:45,457
I think we've won, you know.
765
01:17:58,333 --> 01:18:00,415
Were there any rules on that tour?
766
01:18:00,500 --> 01:18:01,999
Rules?
767
01:18:02,916 --> 01:18:05,457
There's no rules on any of them.
768
01:18:11,500 --> 01:18:13,999
Hedonism was very much on the rise.
769
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:16,957
It was the hedonistic period.
770
01:18:25,500 --> 01:18:29,124
Any nature of restraint
had been a bit pummelled.
771
01:18:29,166 --> 01:18:32,665
The idea of being restrained and disciplined
772
01:18:33,791 --> 01:18:36,915
was, perhaps, a kind of no-no.
773
01:18:41,916 --> 01:18:46,624
It's got its own film crew,
it's got journalism, it's got its celebrities.
774
01:18:48,833 --> 01:18:55,582
It becomes more than just a tour,
it becomes the grand event.
775
01:19:03,125 --> 01:19:06,499
And that also became
the kind of fashion of tours,
776
01:19:06,541 --> 01:19:10,999
its rather ill-disciplined,
hedonistic binge around America.
777
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,332
Ladies and gentlemen, the Rolling Stones.
778
01:20:19,833 --> 01:20:21,999
When we got together, something happened.
779
01:20:22,083 --> 01:20:26,207
Something magical happened,
and no one could ever copy that.
780
01:20:29,083 --> 01:20:30,999
Every band followed the drummer.
781
01:20:31,333 --> 01:20:34,832
We don't follow Charlie,
Charlie follows Keith.
782
01:20:35,166 --> 01:20:39,207
So the drums are very slightly behind Keith.
783
01:20:39,291 --> 01:20:42,374
It's only fractions of seconds,
you know, miniscule.
784
01:20:42,458 --> 01:20:44,832
And I tend to play ahead.
785
01:20:45,458 --> 01:20:47,624
It's got a sort of a wobble,
786
01:20:47,666 --> 01:20:50,832
and it's dangerous because
it can all fall apart at any minute.
787
01:21:40,833 --> 01:21:42,499
You talk about Rolling Stones,
788
01:21:42,541 --> 01:21:47,165
I mean, it was an unstoppable
momentum going on,
789
01:21:48,333 --> 01:21:50,499
and, in a way, you're swept along with it.
790
01:21:50,583 --> 01:21:55,749
I mean, it's not as if you were particularly
in control of it or any of us were.
791
01:22:00,875 --> 01:22:05,499
There was not really any time for self-doubt
792
01:22:05,541 --> 01:22:08,540
or second-guessing.
793
01:22:08,958 --> 01:22:12,082
We were just going on instincts
and doing what we wanted.
794
01:22:12,166 --> 01:22:14,290
We were almost like a law unto ourselves.
795
01:22:25,416 --> 01:22:27,415
What is a Rolling Stone?
796
01:22:29,541 --> 01:22:31,957
"What is a Rolling Stone?"
797
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:33,999
Someone that's not settled,
798
01:22:34,083 --> 01:22:37,207
like a pirate or a gypsy.
799
01:22:38,500 --> 01:22:44,124
Someone who likes to travel, voyage,
an adventurer.
800
01:22:47,833 --> 01:22:51,332
Another concert.
801
01:22:51,416 --> 01:22:55,249
My mum's out there. I don't want
no indecent gestures, you understand?
802
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,999
None of that wiggly stuff
out there in front of me mum now.
803
01:22:59,083 --> 01:23:00,957
Okay, Mrs Keyes, this is for you!
804
01:23:15,791 --> 01:23:17,499
Hi, there.
805
01:23:20,083 --> 01:23:22,832
f-You know who he is?
-I do.
806
01:23:23,583 --> 01:23:26,832
He's one of those hippie long-haired...
One of those hippie radicals.
807
01:23:31,458 --> 01:23:34,040
Really all you wanted to do was
play music, you know.
808
01:23:34,125 --> 01:23:37,582
You're always trying to get it better,
trying to get the band tighter.
809
01:23:38,125 --> 01:23:40,665
After a show, we'd be in the hotel room
810
01:23:40,708 --> 01:23:43,499
knocking out songs for the next album
or the next single.
811
01:23:43,583 --> 01:23:47,165
It was a continual, day-by-day process.
812
01:24:01,333 --> 01:24:05,165
When you're working with another person,
it's great to bounce things off, you know,
813
01:24:05,208 --> 01:24:07,582
and if you're really working well together,
814
01:24:07,666 --> 01:24:11,207
you feed off each other's ideas
and build upon each other's ideas.
815
01:24:11,291 --> 01:24:15,165
So you've got someone that takes your thing
and takes it to another level.
816
01:24:17,875 --> 01:24:19,332
Writing songs is a great thing,
817
01:24:19,375 --> 01:24:23,499
it's like a jigsaw puzzle
and a kaleidoscope put together,
818
01:24:23,541 --> 01:24:25,874
except it's all done through the ears.
819
01:24:26,041 --> 01:24:30,165
And on that, I would say Mick and l
are probably very much on the same groove.
820
01:24:42,750 --> 01:24:46,707
If I wanted the essence of Jagger
and Richards together,
821
01:24:46,791 --> 01:24:49,374
I suppose it would be Midnight Rambler.
822
01:24:49,916 --> 01:24:52,749
Anybody else could have written
any of our other songs,
823
01:24:52,833 --> 01:24:56,790
but I don't think anybody could have written
Midnight Rambler except Mick and me.
824
01:24:57,250 --> 01:25:01,332
And nobody else would have thought
of making an opera out of the blues.
825
01:30:12,708 --> 01:30:16,332
When you unzip your suit
and put your jeans back on or whatever,
826
01:30:16,416 --> 01:30:18,165
that's all finished with.
827
01:30:20,083 --> 01:30:23,790
I don't wanna be my extrovert character
all the time.
828
01:30:32,166 --> 01:30:33,999
A lot of times when you're being interviewed,
829
01:30:34,041 --> 01:30:36,540
you don't want to talk about
what they want to talk about.
830
01:30:36,625 --> 01:30:40,165
You kind of don't answer their question,
you kind of get rid of lt.
831
01:30:44,291 --> 01:30:47,124
-Where are we going, by the way?
-I don't know.
832
01:30:50,666 --> 01:30:55,082
It's a kind of protection against intrusion.
833
01:30:57,666 --> 01:30:59,707
What are you trying to protect?
834
01:31:00,333 --> 01:31:04,124
You're trying to protect your inner self,
I think, is the answer.
835
01:31:06,250 --> 01:31:12,415
The Rolling Stones arrived in Sydney today
to begin their 1973 Australian tour.
836
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,915
You've been thrown into this,
I mean, you started and you're a blues player,
837
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:22,290
and then suddenly this fame thing comes in.
838
01:31:22,500 --> 01:31:27,040
And everybody has to handle that
in their own way.
839
01:31:30,833 --> 01:31:32,499
Charlie hates it.
840
01:31:32,958 --> 01:31:35,249
Charlie's perfect world would be to be
in the Rolling Stones,
841
01:31:35,333 --> 01:31:37,707
except nobody gives a shit who you are.
842
01:31:40,083 --> 01:31:44,082
Are you still enjoying playing in the group
as much as you used to do
843
01:31:44,166 --> 01:31:45,832
about seven or eight years back?
844
01:31:46,333 --> 01:31:48,749
Yeah, it's the same, really.
845
01:31:49,750 --> 01:31:54,332
Then the plans for the next future.
846
01:31:54,375 --> 01:31:55,832
Can you tell us something about that?
847
01:31:55,875 --> 01:31:59,540
For the next future...
848
01:31:59,625 --> 01:32:02,124
Carry on making records, I suppose.
849
01:32:03,416 --> 01:32:07,082
Try to do some things, I don't know.
850
01:32:09,166 --> 01:32:11,332
I think the Rolling Stones are great.
851
01:32:11,416 --> 01:32:14,374
But I kind of don't see me in it somehow.
852
01:32:16,208 --> 01:32:22,207
I never really lived or admired that world,
anyways, so I don't really believe it.
853
01:32:25,416 --> 01:32:29,499
But I’m very much a loner.
I always have been.
854
01:32:31,458 --> 01:32:33,790
How do you see yourself?
855
01:32:33,833 --> 01:32:35,374
That's the most difficult thing of all,
856
01:32:35,458 --> 01:32:37,832
I mean, that's what it takes
your whole life to find out.
857
01:32:38,333 --> 01:32:40,790
What you are. I mean, I don't know.
858
01:32:41,833 --> 01:32:43,415
But you're not this image
that people have of Mick.
859
01:32:43,500 --> 01:32:45,165
I don't know what that is.
860
01:32:45,208 --> 01:32:50,249
There's a lot of things you know that go out
to make up one person's personality,
861
01:32:50,333 --> 01:32:52,290
and so that you can be everything.
862
01:33:14,416 --> 01:33:15,915
How do you keep yourself grounded?
863
01:33:16,375 --> 01:33:18,165
I don't know. I didn't for a while.
864
01:33:20,083 --> 01:33:22,790
Heroin can...
865
01:33:23,708 --> 01:33:27,999
A sort of state
of suspended animation, really.
866
01:33:28,666 --> 01:33:31,249
Keith just got busted all the time.
867
01:33:31,333 --> 01:33:33,915
And he got away with it all the time.
That was the amazing thing.
868
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:37,082
He ended up with just
small fines and warnings,
869
01:33:37,166 --> 01:33:39,374
and it just went through his life like that.
870
01:33:40,791 --> 01:33:42,832
And you're always worried
because if Keith gets busted,
871
01:33:42,916 --> 01:33:45,124
we just thought
it was the end of the band, really.
872
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:50,707
He'd drive off the road regularly,
and he should never have been driving.
873
01:33:50,791 --> 01:33:52,665
I was always worried
that there was gonna be a call
874
01:33:52,750 --> 01:33:55,165
when Keith had driven off the road,
and that was the end of Keith.
875
01:33:57,250 --> 01:34:01,165
Keith's there's in England,
kind of an underground top ten
876
01:34:01,208 --> 01:34:03,957
about people that are expected to die soon.
877
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:05,165
Am I on the list?
878
01:34:05,250 --> 01:34:08,457
You are taken to number one position...
879
01:34:08,500 --> 01:34:10,249
Great, okay. I’ll let you know.
880
01:34:13,708 --> 01:34:17,040
Mick Taylor said to me then,
"I’m thinking of leaving".
881
01:34:19,333 --> 01:34:20,665
And then, of course, he deteriorated
882
01:34:20,750 --> 01:34:23,249
because he started to get into drugs
and all that sort of shit.
883
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:29,332
I always thought he left 'cause he got bored.
884
01:34:30,500 --> 01:34:33,999
I thought he was fed up with playing with us.
885
01:34:35,625 --> 01:34:37,665
I’d no idea why he left the band.
886
01:34:37,708 --> 01:34:40,290
It was the stupidest idea
I had ever heard.
887
01:34:40,333 --> 01:34:42,582
And he never told me, really, the reason.
888
01:34:44,208 --> 01:34:46,999
Why, in the world, would you
leave the Rolling Stones?
889
01:34:47,083 --> 01:34:49,540
I don't know, maybe I thought that
890
01:34:49,625 --> 01:34:55,582
I would be able to protect my family
from, not Keith's orbit, but drugs.
891
01:34:56,750 --> 01:35:00,165
Because I slowly became addicted to heroin.
892
01:35:00,708 --> 01:35:05,207
There comes a point where you have to
choose between one or the other or you die.
893
01:35:05,291 --> 01:35:08,999
And l, you know, I’ve survived.
894
01:35:12,291 --> 01:35:16,915
Mick Taylor leaving was a curveball
because that was a really good band,
895
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:19,999
and it had this balance
between Keith and Mick Taylor.
896
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:24,374
In a way, I was surprised,
but it's always a drag.
897
01:35:25,208 --> 01:35:30,499
I spent years putting this line-up together.
Then, just as I’m getting it right...
898
01:35:30,791 --> 01:35:35,999
There's another part of me that seems
that it was somehow inevitable.
899
01:35:39,833 --> 01:35:41,999
I was there at Robert Stigwood's party
900
01:35:42,083 --> 01:35:45,582
sitting between Mick Taylor and Mick Jagger
when Taylor leaned across me,
901
01:35:45,666 --> 01:35:47,415
and he said to Jagger,
"I’m leaving the band".
902
01:35:47,708 --> 01:35:50,165
And Mick went, "What?"
He said, "Is he serious?"
903
01:35:50,208 --> 01:35:51,832
I said, "I think he is, Mick".
904
01:35:52,666 --> 01:35:56,290
So, Mick Taylor said, "Yes, I am,"
and he got up and walked out.
905
01:35:56,333 --> 01:35:57,707
And Mick said, "Will you join?"
906
01:35:57,791 --> 01:36:00,874
And I said, "Yes, of course,
in a New York minute!"
907
01:36:30,208 --> 01:36:33,207
Ronnie was like a real breath
of fresh air, in a way.
908
01:36:33,500 --> 01:36:37,665
His personality was...
I mean, he's such a barrel of laughs.
909
01:36:38,500 --> 01:36:39,707
He fitted like a glove.
910
01:36:39,791 --> 01:36:44,624
Ronnie became the link between
the two strong egos and the two light egos.
911
01:36:44,958 --> 01:36:46,749
And it worked great.
912
01:36:47,083 --> 01:36:48,665
Tune-out room session!
913
01:36:51,166 --> 01:36:54,624
Fitting into their mould was easy for me.
914
01:36:54,833 --> 01:37:01,707
I found the compatibility with playing,
the whole lifestyle, the humour,
915
01:37:01,791 --> 01:37:05,457
the camaraderie, you know,
it was like, "I’m home".
916
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:11,624
We were transitioning into
a more of, kind of, not so dangerous.
917
01:37:11,666 --> 01:37:14,582
The feeling was
that you're having a good time.
918
01:37:14,666 --> 01:37:16,457
It was more, kind of, fun.
919
01:37:16,541 --> 01:37:19,624
But it was more colourful, and produced,
920
01:37:19,666 --> 01:37:22,915
and it wasn't supposed to be taken
too seriously,
921
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:25,165
and I think it was very much
the Ronnie thing.
922
01:37:25,333 --> 01:37:29,499
It's in the blood, you see, it all comes down
to those two hours on stage.
923
01:37:31,958 --> 01:37:33,290
They're the reward.
924
01:37:33,916 --> 01:37:37,499
He's a great guitar player
and also very sympathetic.
925
01:37:38,458 --> 01:37:40,665
Ronnie was somebody I’d party with as well.
926
01:37:40,750 --> 01:37:43,749
I mean, he was well-versed in every manner.
927
01:37:54,916 --> 01:38:00,082
Nearly one million applications had been
received for their 13 British concerts alone.
928
01:38:00,500 --> 01:38:02,290
But most will be out of luck.
929
01:38:02,333 --> 01:38:04,665
Only 80,000 seats are available
930
01:38:04,750 --> 01:38:08,582
for what will be the Stones' first tour
of Britain in three years.
931
01:38:09,166 --> 01:38:12,457
Oh, man, the Rolling Stones are just it,
you know?
932
01:38:12,666 --> 01:38:14,374
What do you mean?
933
01:38:14,458 --> 01:38:16,749
They're the greatest rock and roll
band in the world!
934
01:38:17,125 --> 01:38:18,207
How long have you been here?
935
01:38:18,291 --> 01:38:20,749
Since Friday morning about 8:00 a.m.
936
01:38:20,833 --> 01:38:22,165
How do you eat?
937
01:38:22,208 --> 01:38:25,082
We take a walk to the liquor store,
buy a loaf of bread,
938
01:38:25,166 --> 01:38:29,957
some bologna and cheese,
and put it all together, and we eat it, man.
939
01:38:31,666 --> 01:38:34,332
We lived and breathed the songs, Keith and I.
940
01:38:34,458 --> 01:38:36,207
Morning, noon, and night,
941
01:38:36,291 --> 01:38:40,582
and when we slept,
which was very rare, very rare.
942
01:38:42,583 --> 01:38:48,082
And we lived and breathed other influences,
whether it be Mozart or Marley.
943
01:38:54,458 --> 01:39:00,957
The whirlwind, the hurricane, the tornado
of just being caught up in the band,
944
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:03,249
and the highs of the dope and the drink,
945
01:39:03,333 --> 01:39:06,499
my feet never really touched the
ground for many years.
946
01:39:32,458 --> 01:39:38,665
You felt almost pretty much immune
to exterior hassles, you know.
947
01:39:42,583 --> 01:39:44,707
It seems perilous now.
948
01:39:45,166 --> 01:39:51,415
At this time, it was like, "Come on,
throw it at us, see what you got".
949
01:39:55,958 --> 01:39:57,749
And you can get used
950
01:39:57,833 --> 01:40:03,082
to that feeling of invulnerableness,
even though it's not true.
951
01:40:15,583 --> 01:40:17,415
It was ridiculous.
952
01:40:18,666 --> 01:40:21,999
Fancy coming into Canada
with all that heroin. It's dotty.
953
01:40:32,416 --> 01:40:35,540
Police found one ounce of heroin,
and one-fifth of an ounce of cocaine...
954
01:40:35,625 --> 01:40:38,832
Lead guitarist Keith Richard
was charged with possession of heroin
955
01:40:38,916 --> 01:40:40,582
for the purpose of trafficking.
956
01:40:41,708 --> 01:40:45,832
If convicted, he faces a maximum sentence
of life for trafficking.
957
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:06,624
It got a bit close, I thought, letting the guy
into prison or being locked up.
958
01:41:07,375 --> 01:41:10,624
Perhaps Keith played that role
really too well, you know?
959
01:41:25,458 --> 01:41:32,249
It was the realisation in Canada that I was
actually jeopardising the band.
960
01:41:32,333 --> 01:41:35,457
And if they were gonna put me away,
I mean, it was bye-bye.
961
01:41:35,500 --> 01:41:37,582
That's why I stopped, that's it.
962
01:41:37,666 --> 01:41:41,999
The experiment is now... We are
pulling the plug on this once and for all.
963
01:41:42,041 --> 01:41:46,124
It was an end of chapter there
and turn the page.
964
01:41:46,375 --> 01:41:50,124
Richards is taking psychiatric treatment
to end his addiction
965
01:41:50,166 --> 01:41:51,832
and continue as a musician.
966
01:41:52,166 --> 01:41:56,499
Judge Lloyd Graburn said Richards' effort
to remove himself from the drug culture
967
01:41:56,541 --> 01:41:57,999
was an example for others,
968
01:41:58,083 --> 01:42:03,165
so he was put on probation for a year and
ordered to continue psychiatric treatment.
969
01:42:03,250 --> 01:42:06,165
As part of his probation,
he would have to give a concert
970
01:42:06,250 --> 01:42:09,290
at the Canadian National Institute
for the Blind.
971
01:42:12,250 --> 01:42:16,665
Usually, it's the guy in the black hat
that gets killed at the end, you know.
972
01:42:17,333 --> 01:42:19,874
Not this time, brother, not this time.
973
01:42:28,208 --> 01:42:30,582
In a way, the Stones saved me
974
01:42:30,666 --> 01:42:34,332
because one thing that was more important
than smack was the band, you know.
975
01:42:57,791 --> 01:43:00,332
I was quite relieved that he cleaned up some.
976
01:43:00,375 --> 01:43:04,457
I mean, we did things quicker.
I think we were a bit more focused.
977
01:43:05,458 --> 01:43:08,290
There's more effort and more energy.
978
01:43:13,750 --> 01:43:15,290
It was a renewal.
979
01:43:15,541 --> 01:43:17,790
We had gone through all this shit
and all that,
980
01:43:17,833 --> 01:43:19,915
and we were brothers-in-arms.
981
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:23,582
After all, we always said, whether
we liked it or not, the band comes first.
982
01:43:28,958 --> 01:43:30,749
Their popularity's never been greater.
983
01:43:30,833 --> 01:43:34,582
And with a following like this,
the Stones don't even have to advertise.
984
01:43:37,583 --> 01:43:40,665
You love the Rolling Stones
more than you love God!
985
01:43:54,666 --> 01:43:56,374
The Rolling Stones have done it again.
986
01:43:56,458 --> 01:44:02,040
100,000 fans watched Mick Jagger prance
and dance as he has for nearly 20 years.
987
01:44:02,125 --> 01:44:04,874
They are starting a tour,
which will take them to 21 cities,
988
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:07,540
to be seen by 1.5 million adoring fans.
989
01:44:07,750 --> 01:44:11,790
The anti-heroes of the 60s are back
on the road for their biggest tour ever.
990
01:44:17,250 --> 01:44:20,999
The Rolling Stones had gone from being
the band everyone hated
991
01:44:21,041 --> 01:44:22,499
to the band everyone loved.
992
01:44:22,541 --> 01:44:26,999
We'd gone from unacceptable
to totally acceptable.
993
01:44:27,458 --> 01:44:29,374
Everything had changed.
994
01:44:29,458 --> 01:44:33,332
We became a kind of institution,
and we hadn't even got to be 40 yet.
995
01:44:47,625 --> 01:44:49,290
Cats have nine lives,
996
01:44:49,333 --> 01:44:52,999
and we've seem to have got through
about 20 fuckin' lives so far.
997
01:44:53,041 --> 01:44:54,165
I don't know how we do it.
998
01:45:17,500 --> 01:45:20,957
We had never been as high as this,
we'd never been as successful.
999
01:45:22,625 --> 01:45:23,999
We've done it.
1000
01:45:51,708 --> 01:45:57,374
You just don't fuck with the Stones,
you know, this is a simple rule, it don't pay.
1001
01:46:18,791 --> 01:46:22,957
You had this kind of, "Fuck the world,
you could do anything" attitude.
1002
01:46:23,458 --> 01:46:25,832
For a moment, that was definitely there.
1003
01:46:25,916 --> 01:46:28,749
I mean, you felt you're riding in the wave
and all that.
1004
01:46:30,166 --> 01:46:32,165
But you can't be young forever.
90113
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