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I don't
remember a lot of things.
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But a lot of things
that I don't remember,
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I don't choose to remember.
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I remember
what's important
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and I make up the rest.
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That's what
storytelling's all about.
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Stand by.
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If you're right,
then what you're saying...
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is you're a forerunner
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of what many times happens.
So, you're sort of a prophet.
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I would hate to think of
myself as being a prophet.
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Prophets die.
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They always... The
prophets and saints...
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But don't we
all?
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Oh, but they do it sooner.
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What I'm trying to
do with my writing
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is to bring out a reality.
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I'm what they call
a personal poet.
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And I try to bring out the
personality of my life.
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You know? That my family
was a good family.
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You know, because
they're Black people
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and Black people
are good people.
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And from that goodness, we
can create the revolution.
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So that the revolution isn't
a reaction to Whiteness,
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but a forward
thrust of Blackness.
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Before we leave, will
you do one more time?
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Oh, I'd be glad to.
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This is "Nikki-Rosa."
It's about us.
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"Childhood remembrances
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are always a drag
if you're Black.
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And if you become
famous or something,
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they never talk about
how happy you were
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to have your mother
all to yourself.
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And even though you remember,
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your biographers
never understand
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your father's pain as
he sells his stock.
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And another dream goes.
And though you're poor
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it isn't poverty
that concerns you.
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And though they fought a lot
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it isn't your father's drinking
that makes any difference.
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But only that
everybody is together.
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And you and your sister
have happy birthdays
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and very good Christmases.
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And I really hope no White
person ever has cause
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to write about me because
they never understand
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Black love is Black wealth.
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And they'll probably talk
about my hard childhood
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and never understand
that all the while
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I was quite happy."
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Right on.
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I'm very
proud of my okra.
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I planted it from seed.
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And so there's just something
nice about putting seed
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in the ground and...
this... It looks good.
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See? It's growing.
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I was born in
Knoxville, Tennessee,
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but I am an earthling.
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I'm a big
fan of Black women.
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'Cause in our blood
is space travel.
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Because we've
come from a known,
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through an unknown,
to an unknown.
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And that's all that
space travel is.
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If anybody can find what
there is in this darkness,
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it's Black women.
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- Thank you so much.
- Thank you.
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Thank you so much.
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Here in the Apollo Theater,
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our card-carrying members...
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of the Nikki Giovanni fan club.
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So, Nikki, say something about
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the role of friends...
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- in your life.
- You know, I'm not friendly.
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- And...
- That's why
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I asked the question.
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- I'm not friendly.
- You're the last person
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you would think.
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I'm fortunate, you
know, that I'm polite,
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but I'm not friendly.
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I know, Nikki,
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you don't just think of
yourself as yourself.
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You sure write in
a collective sense.
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- You write for all of us.
- But, Johnnetta...
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I honestly think that the most
important word to me is duty.
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Let's...
let's hear it.
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I just think there
are things you have to do.
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When all, for lack
of a better word,
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the shit hits the fan,
you're still gonna stand up
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- and do the right thing.
- Mm-hmm.
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Our people have. The
history of our people
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is a great history.
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And it's our duty
to tell that story.
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My great
grandfather was a slave.
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My grandfather attended
Fisk University.
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He wanted to be a Latin scholar,
was a Latin scholar, in fact.
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It's just that he
couldn't find a job,
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because nobody was hiring
Black men to be Latin scholars
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at that particular point,
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but he was a
dreamer is my point.
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And his dream was not realizable
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because of a number
of situations.
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So he became a Latin teacher
in a local high school
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and he did very well.
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He took care of his wife
and his three children.
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My mother had me.
I'm also a dreamer.
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But I don't understand why
my dreams can't come true.
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So, I will continue to do
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what my grandfather could
not do. I will fight.
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- Mm-hmm.
- I'm a fighter.
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And my son should
not have to fight
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the same battles that I fought.
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I'm a native Tennessean,
I was born there.
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During the
age of segregation
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when you couldn't go to
the same amusement park
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or the same movie theater,
when the White guys
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would cruise up and down the
street and call out to you,
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when the Black guys were
afraid of being lynched.
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But we went to
Church each Sunday
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and we sang a precious song,
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and we found a way
not to survive,
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anything can survive,
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but to thrive and
believe and hope.
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I'm a native Tennessean,
I was born there,
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but I was only two months
old when my mother and father
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moved my sister and
me to Cincinnati,
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where neighborhoods
were redlined,
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but at least Mommy
could get a job teaching
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and Daddy could get a job
behind a desk. And after all,
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if you are a college graduate,
that's the least you can expect.
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My father
got a scholarship
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to Knoxville College
where my mother lived.
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They fell in love.
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The yearbook had a
picture of my mother.
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And it says, "When you
see her, you surely must
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at the same time think of Gus."
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It was a
stormy relationship
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at various points, but
we know that deprivation
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gives us stormy relationships.
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So, what
are we looking for?
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We're trying to
get to Jackson Street.
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We're trying
to get to...
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- Lincoln Heights? Okay.
- Lincoln Heights.
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This is Pendry. Go down Pendry.
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- Left or right?
- Left.
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I shared a
bedroom with my sister,
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and my bed was by the window.
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When you start to look
at things that have been
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changed so much,
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I mean, it's very hard...
I couldn't begin as I say.
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If this is what it appears
to me, this is asphalt.
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And so, it's a piece of asphalt.
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If that's the case,
the house was there.
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'Cause it wasn't a big house.
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When you have parents who...
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have difficulties as a kid,
what you have to do is, uh...
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you have to have an imagination,
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and you have to step out
of their relationship
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and figure out what you want.
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I know crying is a skill.
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I automatically wipe my eyes
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even though I know
crying is a skill.
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Maybe I will learn.
My mother did
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when she thought I was asleep.
I think my sister did sleep,
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but sleeping is difficult
to me as crying.
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I laugh easily and I smile,
and withhold any true feelings.
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Your
book is wonderful.
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Oh, thank you. You
want me to sit closer?
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Okay. Yeah.
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You're comfortable the
way you're sitting?
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I'm just gonna
label these for you.
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"Maybe I should
be happy I found
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my mother in someone
else who loves me."
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"What else really matters?"
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That's our guest Nikki Giovanni
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reading from her poem
"I Married My Mother."
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Where to begin?
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Well, let's begin
with the crying part.
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You're not a crier?
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You're smiling at me as
I ask you this question.
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I grew up because my father...
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And I'm trying to
understand more,
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but my father was cruel.
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And it seemed like
my mother needed,
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I don't know,
protection or something.
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"Who was there? Who looked?
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Where was the camera
that Saturday night?
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My father hit my mother so hard
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she literally flew
across the living room
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and fell against the windowpane
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like a rag doll.
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I watched. I
watched over Mommy.
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I hear her say,
'Please don't hit me, '
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but he does.
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She says to me,
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'What goes on in our
house, stays in our house.'
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Who saw what I heard?
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Who knows how to
make sense of it?
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And we want to save the world?
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What about my mother?
I am a witness.
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I don't need an overseas
enemy. I have my father.
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And the band played on."
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Did you see him as the enemy?
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I went to live with
Grandmother shortly after...
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after that, because
it was...
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well, I shouldn't say this
on the radio, I guess,
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but it was clear that either
I was going to kill him
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or I had to move, and so...
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I decided to move. But
the funny thing was,
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you know, Grandmother
and I never discussed it,
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but I know that Grandmother knew
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that her daughter was
in trouble. I know that.
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I don't understand
how on one hand
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you say you're talking
about, like, a Black man.
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That he can be
nothing in the streets
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and so fearful in his home.
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That he can be brutalized by
some White person somewhere,
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and then come home and treat...
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You know, I mean,
me, my mother...
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- It's got to...
- the same way
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that he was being treated.
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Which perpetuates... I mean,
you take somebody like me
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- I'm not married, right?
- Yes, but Nikki...
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I couldn't
play my mother.
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- Yes, I know.
- You know what I mean?
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I just couldn't deal
with it. I said no.
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But, Nikki, it's also true
that since your mother
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played that role,
you haven't got to.
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You say mistreated, or
I say mistreated, no.
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But in the per... In the mind
of the person who is doing it,
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he's not mistreating you.
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No, I'm not
dealing with that.
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Let's say, in the mind of,
let's say, your father,
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who is just an example,
or the mind of my father.
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You know what I mean?
He is being mistreated.
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I'm not gonna deal
with the cracker
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that's mistreating him.
I'm gonna deal with him.
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He knows that he is
not being treated
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with the respect due him as
a person, as a Black man.
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Okay? In order to,
like, get that together
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when he comes into that house,
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he begins to, like, brutalize
my mother, for example.
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You see what I mean?
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Which becomes like
a phenomenon to me,
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because I don't
like White people
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and I'm afraid of
Black men, right?
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If you can follow
what I'm saying,
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without anybody writing a
letter and saying "Sister,"
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you know what I mean?
Okay, so what do you do?
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Listen, you have
to, I think what you have...
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It's a cycle.
250
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And that's unfortunate
because I need love.
251
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The one thing
that I did know
252
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is whatever life would be, I
knew I had to create myself.
253
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So, I wrote a
poem, "Nikki-Rosa."
254
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Childhood remembrances
are always a drag,
255
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but I also knew it could
not determine who I was.
256
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So I'm gonna write a line
257
00:15:32,766 --> 00:15:34,225
that says, "And
though we were poor,
258
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it's not poverty
that concerned me."
259
00:15:36,561 --> 00:15:40,106
What did it
feel like to wake up at 11?
260
00:15:40,190 --> 00:15:42,567
Well, you want something
that I'm obviously,
261
00:15:42,609 --> 00:15:44,652
clearly not ever gonna give you
262
00:15:44,736 --> 00:15:48,865
or anybody else, so you
can find another question.
263
00:15:48,907 --> 00:15:51,451
I don't know
how else to say that.
264
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But I was not asleep.
265
00:15:52,786 --> 00:15:55,872
And I knew that it was Saturday,
so I knew what to expect.
266
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But...
267
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You're wanting me to go
268
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to someplace that
I'm not gonna go
269
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because it'll make me unhappy.
270
00:16:01,961 --> 00:16:03,672
And I refuse to be
unhappy about something
271
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I can do nothing about.
272
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So, I selected happiness
273
00:16:11,262 --> 00:16:14,265
and I put that which
was unhappy away.
274
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I chose not to grieve.
275
00:16:24,526 --> 00:16:27,737
"I
brush my teeth, I smile,
276
00:16:27,779 --> 00:16:30,115
but there is always this frown.
277
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I think I'll run
away with the ants
278
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and live on Mars."
279
00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,847
That thing is
com... Christmas is coming.
280
00:16:53,930 --> 00:16:55,265
And I like Christmas okay,
281
00:16:55,306 --> 00:16:58,476
but I really hate Rudolph
the Red-Nosed Reindeer.
282
00:17:01,312 --> 00:17:02,355
Don't you?
283
00:17:04,148 --> 00:17:06,317
And it's like, "Whoa,
what is wrong with you?"
284
00:17:06,401 --> 00:17:11,156
And all of the other reindeers
would laugh and call him names.
285
00:17:11,196 --> 00:17:12,615
What the hell is that?
286
00:17:12,656 --> 00:17:14,451
And...
287
00:17:14,492 --> 00:17:16,161
No.
288
00:17:16,243 --> 00:17:19,998
I wanna know where
was Mr. Santa Claus
289
00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:21,124
and Mrs. Santa Claus?
290
00:17:21,165 --> 00:17:23,126
They saw what was
going on with Rudolph.
291
00:17:23,167 --> 00:17:26,003
Why didn't some of them come
out and get that corrected?
292
00:17:26,087 --> 00:17:29,257
But the minute they
needed something, right?
293
00:17:29,341 --> 00:17:32,802
One foggy Christmas Eve,
then Santa's there, you know,
294
00:17:32,844 --> 00:17:34,304
"Hey, Rudolph, we need you."
295
00:17:34,346 --> 00:17:36,264
Rudolph should have
told him to kiss...
296
00:17:36,348 --> 00:17:40,060
Rudolph...
297
00:17:40,143 --> 00:17:43,355
He should
have.
298
00:17:47,817 --> 00:17:52,238
Some of us in this room
are in some ways different.
299
00:17:52,322 --> 00:17:55,367
And I just wanted to say,
you know, remember Rudolph
300
00:17:55,408 --> 00:17:57,702
and that Rudolph should
have cursed him out,
301
00:17:57,786 --> 00:18:00,038
because you don't have any
reason to be sucking up
302
00:18:00,121 --> 00:18:01,623
under them dumbass reindeer
303
00:18:01,706 --> 00:18:04,376
who are talking about you.
304
00:18:04,417 --> 00:18:07,671
Because anybody that
has any talent in this room
305
00:18:07,712 --> 00:18:08,755
is lonely.
306
00:18:08,838 --> 00:18:10,048
Whether you can sing,
307
00:18:10,090 --> 00:18:11,925
whether you can
shoot a basketball,
308
00:18:12,008 --> 00:18:13,176
whether you can play foo...
309
00:18:13,218 --> 00:18:14,636
I don't care what
it is you can...
310
00:18:14,719 --> 00:18:16,388
If you've got a talent...
311
00:18:17,222 --> 00:18:18,306
you're lonely.
312
00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:23,436
And so what you wanna do
is go on with your life.
313
00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,023
Because at some point
you're gonna find somebody
314
00:18:27,065 --> 00:18:29,901
who is lonely as you are.
315
00:18:29,984 --> 00:18:32,445
And then you will
build your community.
316
00:18:36,032 --> 00:18:38,201
So just come
on up and take a mic.
317
00:18:40,912 --> 00:18:43,057
Would you ever
say that some of your poems
318
00:18:43,081 --> 00:18:46,042
were inspired by stress or hate?
319
00:18:46,084 --> 00:18:47,460
Were
you ever bullied
320
00:18:47,544 --> 00:18:49,587
by your skin color
when you were younger?
321
00:18:49,671 --> 00:18:51,440
What would
you say your life was like
322
00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:53,508
whenever you just
felt depressed?
323
00:18:54,426 --> 00:18:56,136
If you
could describe yourself
324
00:18:56,219 --> 00:18:58,221
in three words,
what would it be?
325
00:19:00,724 --> 00:19:02,267
I'm okay.
326
00:19:05,311 --> 00:19:07,439
I like myself,
you know, I mean...
327
00:19:08,356 --> 00:19:09,774
I'm very fortunate
328
00:19:09,858 --> 00:19:13,653
that I just don't care
what people think about me.
329
00:19:13,737 --> 00:19:17,240
And I'm just incredibly
fortunate about that.
330
00:19:20,618 --> 00:19:22,787
Have you
ever had like a breakdown,
331
00:19:22,829 --> 00:19:26,041
or you couldn't take it anymore,
where you just can't do it?
332
00:19:26,124 --> 00:19:29,461
Have you ever had a breakdown?
Where you just couldn't take it?
333
00:19:43,141 --> 00:19:44,618
You gotta love
people that said,
334
00:19:44,642 --> 00:19:48,355
"I don't care what it is, I'm
gonna find a way to smile."
335
00:19:52,067 --> 00:19:53,627
And I know that there
are people that try
336
00:19:53,651 --> 00:19:56,071
to laugh at those Negros,
that try to laugh...
337
00:19:56,112 --> 00:19:57,757
"Oh, they didn't know
what they were doing."
338
00:19:57,781 --> 00:19:59,824
They knew that they
had to stay sane
339
00:19:59,866 --> 00:20:01,326
and that they had to love.
340
00:20:01,368 --> 00:20:03,286
I think Black people
are wonderful.
341
00:20:03,328 --> 00:20:05,288
They're great people.
342
00:20:05,330 --> 00:20:07,916
And I think it's time
that we recognize that.
343
00:20:12,212 --> 00:20:14,673
That's the way I
look at the history.
344
00:20:14,756 --> 00:20:17,676
But I'm just a
poet, nobody listened to me.
345
00:20:19,636 --> 00:20:20,679
That's the truth.
346
00:20:21,888 --> 00:20:24,349
But that's why the new
book is called A Good Cry,
347
00:20:24,391 --> 00:20:27,352
because I'm learning to
let it go. I don't...
348
00:20:27,394 --> 00:20:29,521
I don't have to be
strong or brave.
349
00:20:30,063 --> 00:20:31,815
I don't have to...
350
00:20:31,856 --> 00:20:34,192
I don't have to do
anything for anybody.
351
00:20:34,234 --> 00:20:36,653
I educated my son,
I paid for my house,
352
00:20:36,695 --> 00:20:37,612
my car is paid for.
353
00:20:37,696 --> 00:20:39,614
I can live my life as
I fucking well please.
354
00:20:39,698 --> 00:20:42,450
So if I wanna cry, I can
do that too.
355
00:21:04,597 --> 00:21:06,016
VIRGINIA "GINNEY"
FOWLER: All right.
356
00:21:11,563 --> 00:21:13,106
Shame on you.
357
00:21:13,189 --> 00:21:14,941
- Jealous dog.
- Tell Zena.
358
00:21:15,025 --> 00:21:16,860
I will. Stay!
359
00:21:16,901 --> 00:21:18,236
- Cleo.
- Stay.
360
00:21:18,319 --> 00:21:20,739
Cleo...
361
00:21:26,911 --> 00:21:28,329
Get over here.
362
00:21:33,543 --> 00:21:34,895
Hey,
Nikki. How are you doing?
363
00:21:34,919 --> 00:21:38,298
I'm
fine, Tom. How are you?
364
00:21:38,381 --> 00:21:40,925
I'm great. It's
great to hear your voice.
365
00:21:41,009 --> 00:21:43,303
Well, I was calling
because I've been doing
366
00:21:43,386 --> 00:21:44,637
some research on "Encore."
367
00:21:44,721 --> 00:21:47,015
Because I'm thinking about
possibly doing something
368
00:21:47,098 --> 00:21:48,058
about the magazine...
369
00:21:48,099 --> 00:21:49,493
- Oh.
- And its impact,
370
00:21:49,517 --> 00:21:51,495
but I'm trying to speak to
all the contributors also.
371
00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:54,773
Right now, Tom, and I'm
not... I hate to say this,
372
00:21:54,814 --> 00:21:56,775
because it always sounds
like I don't care.
373
00:21:56,816 --> 00:22:00,945
But I've had a seizure
and I know who I am.
374
00:22:01,029 --> 00:22:03,239
Though they gave me a
bracelet and I wear it,
375
00:22:03,323 --> 00:22:05,700
and it says who Nikki is,
just in case I get lost.
376
00:22:05,784 --> 00:22:08,370
But a lot of things
I don't remember.
377
00:22:08,453 --> 00:22:09,704
I remember the magazine
378
00:22:09,788 --> 00:22:12,457
and it was wonderful,
and I think it was good.
379
00:22:12,540 --> 00:22:14,668
- So I don't know...
- Okay. Okay.
380
00:22:15,585 --> 00:22:17,754
That I'm gonna be
all that helpful.
381
00:22:18,797 --> 00:22:20,298
Oh, I think
you would be great.
382
00:22:20,382 --> 00:22:22,759
I mean as much as you
can contribute with, uh,
383
00:22:22,801 --> 00:22:24,719
- would mean a great deal to me.
- Well...
384
00:22:24,803 --> 00:22:27,138
But I understand
your health situation.
385
00:22:27,222 --> 00:22:28,699
- So I really do understand that.
- Well...
386
00:22:28,723 --> 00:22:30,883
I don't want you to
think I'm being insensitive...
387
00:22:30,934 --> 00:22:31,893
No, no, no.
388
00:22:31,935 --> 00:22:32,811
And not understand.
389
00:22:32,894 --> 00:22:35,355
And if there's anything
I can help you with,
390
00:22:35,438 --> 00:22:37,982
you know, don't
hesitate to let me know.
391
00:22:38,066 --> 00:22:39,919
Thank you so much
for giving me a call back.
392
00:22:39,943 --> 00:22:43,446
Well, you take care and tell
all your folks I said hello.
393
00:22:43,488 --> 00:22:45,782
- I will. Take care. Bye.
- Okey-doke, bye-bye.
394
00:22:53,331 --> 00:22:55,291
A seizure is a seizure.
395
00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:57,293
I'm only gonna
come back so much.
396
00:22:59,129 --> 00:23:02,257
You have to recognize...
Well, there's a limit
397
00:23:02,340 --> 00:23:03,675
to what you can do.
398
00:23:10,849 --> 00:23:12,767
"This is what I think.
399
00:23:12,851 --> 00:23:15,395
I have been blessed
with a poor memory."
400
00:23:16,896 --> 00:23:19,691
"I have forgotten
crazy night sweats.
401
00:23:19,733 --> 00:23:21,693
I have forgotten crying.
402
00:23:23,028 --> 00:23:24,696
I don't remember my anger
403
00:23:24,779 --> 00:23:27,615
at witnessing the face
of Emmett Till..."
404
00:23:27,699 --> 00:23:31,619
"nor my fear
405
00:23:31,703 --> 00:23:34,664
when four little girls
were murdered one Sunday."
406
00:24:31,054 --> 00:24:33,223
What murdered these...
407
00:24:34,849 --> 00:24:36,059
four girls?
408
00:24:37,602 --> 00:24:38,937
Look around.
409
00:24:40,855 --> 00:24:45,652
You will see that many people
that you never thought about
410
00:24:46,319 --> 00:24:47,696
participated...
411
00:24:49,155 --> 00:24:50,657
in this evil act.
412
00:24:58,873 --> 00:25:00,750
Modern Civil
Rights Movement
413
00:25:00,792 --> 00:25:02,627
was started by the murder
414
00:25:02,669 --> 00:25:05,005
of a young man
named Emmett Till.
415
00:25:08,216 --> 00:25:09,134
Ten weeks after
416
00:25:09,217 --> 00:25:11,302
Emmett Till's body in
August was discovered
417
00:25:11,344 --> 00:25:13,138
Rosa Parks said, "No."
418
00:25:13,221 --> 00:25:15,515
And I wrote a poem for her.
419
00:25:18,143 --> 00:25:20,145
And I wanted to
find a way to start it
420
00:25:20,186 --> 00:25:21,396
the way I thought it started.
421
00:25:21,479 --> 00:25:23,023
So actually in dealing
with Mrs. Parks,
422
00:25:23,106 --> 00:25:25,316
I started, of course,
with the Pullman porters.
423
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,361
Because America would be an
extremely different place
424
00:25:28,445 --> 00:25:29,654
without the Pullman porters.
425
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,843
"This is for the
Pullman porters who helped
426
00:25:33,867 --> 00:25:36,077
Thurgood Marshall go
South and come back North
427
00:25:36,161 --> 00:25:37,521
to fight the fight
that resulted in
428
00:25:37,579 --> 00:25:40,206
Brown v. Board of Education.
429
00:25:40,290 --> 00:25:42,727
This is for the Pullman porters
who smiled as if they were happy
430
00:25:42,751 --> 00:25:44,169
and laughed like
they were tickled
431
00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:45,545
when some folks were around.
432
00:25:47,130 --> 00:25:49,233
This is for the Pullman
porters who smiled and welcomed
433
00:25:49,257 --> 00:25:52,594
a 14-year-old boy onto
their train in 1955.
434
00:25:52,635 --> 00:25:54,971
They noticed his slight limp
that he tried to disguise
435
00:25:55,055 --> 00:25:56,097
with a doo-wop walk.
436
00:25:56,181 --> 00:25:58,808
They noticed his stutter
and probably understood
437
00:25:58,850 --> 00:26:00,202
why his mother wanted
him out of Chicago
438
00:26:00,226 --> 00:26:02,187
during the summer
when school was out.
439
00:26:02,270 --> 00:26:04,606
Fourteen-year-old Black
boys with limps and stutters
440
00:26:04,647 --> 00:26:06,983
are apt to try to prove
themselves in dangerous ways
441
00:26:07,025 --> 00:26:08,985
when mothers aren't
around to look after them.
442
00:26:09,027 --> 00:26:10,612
So this is for the
Pullman porters
443
00:26:10,695 --> 00:26:12,238
who looked over that 14-year-old
444
00:26:12,322 --> 00:26:14,908
while the train rolled the
reverse of Blues Highway.
445
00:26:14,991 --> 00:26:17,869
From Chicago to St. Louis,
to Memphis, to Mississippi.
446
00:26:17,911 --> 00:26:20,163
This is for the men
who kept him safe.
447
00:26:21,539 --> 00:26:24,709
And if Emmett Till had been able
to stay on that train all summer
448
00:26:24,751 --> 00:26:26,670
he would have maybe
grown a bit of a paunch,
449
00:26:26,711 --> 00:26:29,756
certainly lost his hair,
probably have worn bifocals,
450
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:31,966
and bounced his
grandchildren on his knee.
451
00:26:32,050 --> 00:26:34,386
Telling them about his
summer riding the rails.
452
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,597
But he had to get
off that train.
453
00:26:37,681 --> 00:26:39,849
And ended up in
Money, Mississippi.
454
00:26:40,767 --> 00:26:43,770
And was horribly,
brutally, inexcusably,
455
00:26:43,853 --> 00:26:45,689
and unacceptably murdered."
456
00:26:53,154 --> 00:26:54,874
"This is for the
Pullman porters who,
457
00:26:54,906 --> 00:26:57,575
when the sheriff was trying to
get that body secretly buried,
458
00:26:57,617 --> 00:26:59,661
got Emmet's body on
the northbound train.
459
00:26:59,744 --> 00:27:01,579
Got his body home to Chicago
460
00:27:01,663 --> 00:27:04,457
where his mother said,
'I want the world to see
461
00:27:04,541 --> 00:27:06,793
what they did to my boy.'
462
00:27:08,795 --> 00:27:11,923
And this is for all
the mothers who cried.
463
00:27:11,965 --> 00:27:16,261
And this is for all the people
who said, 'Never again.'
464
00:27:16,344 --> 00:27:20,682
And it was Mrs. Rosa Parks who
could not stand that death.
465
00:27:20,765 --> 00:27:23,101
And in not being
able to stand it,
466
00:27:23,184 --> 00:27:25,687
she sat back down."
467
00:27:36,948 --> 00:27:38,533
"The women gather
468
00:27:38,575 --> 00:27:41,411
because it is not
unusual to seek comfort
469
00:27:41,453 --> 00:27:43,371
in our hours of stress.
470
00:27:43,455 --> 00:27:47,459
It is not unusual that
the old bury the young.
471
00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:49,836
Though it is an abomination.
472
00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:52,172
It is not strange
that the unwise
473
00:27:52,255 --> 00:27:55,675
and the ungentle carry
the banner of humaneness
474
00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:58,636
though it is a
castration of the spirit.
475
00:27:58,678 --> 00:28:01,348
The women gathered with
cloth and ointments,
476
00:28:01,431 --> 00:28:04,726
their busy hands bowing
to laws that decree.
477
00:28:04,809 --> 00:28:07,687
Willows shall stand
swaying but unbroken
478
00:28:07,771 --> 00:28:10,815
against even the
determined wind of death."
479
00:28:30,502 --> 00:28:32,754
My pretty girl...
480
00:28:32,837 --> 00:28:35,840
Hey!
481
00:28:35,924 --> 00:28:37,634
I like that. So, how are you?
482
00:28:37,676 --> 00:28:38,986
- Doing good. How are you?
- Good.
483
00:28:39,010 --> 00:28:40,770
- I'm hanging in there.
- How's Ginney doing?
484
00:28:40,845 --> 00:28:44,641
She's doing pretty
good. She's not with me, um...
485
00:28:44,683 --> 00:28:46,810
Actually, Ginney's not
the problem right now
486
00:28:46,851 --> 00:28:48,287
I'm pretty much the
problem right now.
487
00:28:48,311 --> 00:28:50,647
So, we're not, you know,
doing a big deal with it,
488
00:28:50,689 --> 00:28:53,566
but I'm having
surgery on the 21st.
489
00:28:53,650 --> 00:28:55,193
- What's happening?
- Oh...
490
00:28:55,235 --> 00:28:57,338
- Do you wanna not talk about it?
- No, I mean, it's not a big...
491
00:28:57,362 --> 00:28:59,447
I'm not gonna announce
it, but you know, uh...
492
00:28:59,531 --> 00:29:02,158
Uh, it probably is a cancer,
493
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,161
but it's a... You know,
like, what do you call it?
494
00:29:05,203 --> 00:29:08,456
A breast... You know,
a thing in the breast.
495
00:29:08,540 --> 00:29:10,000
So, she's just
gonna take it out.
496
00:29:10,041 --> 00:29:11,876
- Why take a chance?
- Why take a chance.
497
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,796
Yeah, and
having had lung cancer,
498
00:29:14,879 --> 00:29:16,548
you know, they took
the left lung out.
499
00:29:16,631 --> 00:29:18,508
So, you don't wanna, you know...
500
00:29:18,550 --> 00:29:19,884
Dr. Abrams's like,
501
00:29:19,968 --> 00:29:22,554
"Oh, you know, you'll be able
to go home the same night."
502
00:29:22,595 --> 00:29:24,973
I said, "Sweetie,
this is my tit.
503
00:29:25,056 --> 00:29:27,434
If it was your tit, maybe
you go home the same night.
504
00:29:27,517 --> 00:29:29,185
My tit, I'm going to stay."
505
00:29:30,979 --> 00:29:32,439
I see my granddaughter.
506
00:29:34,566 --> 00:29:35,525
Hey!
507
00:29:35,567 --> 00:29:37,819
- Hey. Well, looky here. Ah!
- Hey.
508
00:29:39,571 --> 00:29:41,156
- How are you?
- Good.
509
00:29:41,239 --> 00:29:43,366
Good. How did she
get to be this tall?
510
00:29:43,408 --> 00:29:45,011
She's
almost your height.
511
00:29:45,035 --> 00:29:47,430
When are we gonna get
those folks to let you come down
512
00:29:47,454 --> 00:29:50,957
so you can learn how to play
bid whist and fry some chicken?
513
00:29:51,041 --> 00:29:52,751
I haven't seen you since
514
00:29:52,834 --> 00:29:54,336
- Las Vegas.
- Yeah.
515
00:29:54,419 --> 00:29:56,921
No. We saw... One
time when we had dinner.
516
00:29:57,005 --> 00:29:59,591
Remember? You came by.
We had dinner one time.
517
00:29:59,632 --> 00:30:02,093
- But yeah. It's been a while.
- I've had a...
518
00:30:02,177 --> 00:30:03,928
- It's been a long time.
- It has.
519
00:30:03,970 --> 00:30:05,805
It really has, yeah!
520
00:30:05,889 --> 00:30:07,974
I wanna say a couple of
things before I forget
521
00:30:08,058 --> 00:30:09,142
'cause my mind's not good.
522
00:30:09,225 --> 00:30:11,019
Well, it's not, and I
have to recognize that.
523
00:30:11,102 --> 00:30:12,771
And I don't mean
to embarrass him
524
00:30:12,812 --> 00:30:14,230
or anything, but it's a pleasure
525
00:30:14,272 --> 00:30:17,776
that my son has joined me
this evening, Thomas Giovanni.
526
00:30:19,903 --> 00:30:23,656
And my very lovely
granddaughter, Kai.
527
00:30:23,740 --> 00:30:25,450
Yay.
528
00:30:25,533 --> 00:30:27,994
The book is A Good
Cry and I learned to cry.
529
00:30:28,078 --> 00:30:29,555
And probably the only
person in this room
530
00:30:29,579 --> 00:30:30,872
that understands that is Thomas,
531
00:30:30,955 --> 00:30:32,850
'cause I don't think Thomas
has ever seen me cry,
532
00:30:32,874 --> 00:30:34,542
because I always made
a point of not to.
533
00:30:34,626 --> 00:30:36,961
Some of the folks may know,
some of them may not know,
534
00:30:37,003 --> 00:30:40,173
that you have "dreams" of
going to outer space...
535
00:30:40,256 --> 00:30:42,717
is the wrong word. You
have an imperative.
536
00:30:42,801 --> 00:30:43,968
Tell them why.
537
00:30:44,010 --> 00:30:45,613
Well, you know, so again,
I hate to say it, but...
538
00:30:45,637 --> 00:30:47,764
No, I don't hate to say
it, but we're Black women.
539
00:30:47,806 --> 00:30:49,974
If this... coming
to this country...
540
00:30:50,058 --> 00:30:53,311
wasn't
an alien situation,
541
00:30:53,353 --> 00:30:56,731
being forced to have
sex with aliens,
542
00:30:56,815 --> 00:30:59,317
having to learn...
543
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:00,359
We did.
544
00:31:00,402 --> 00:31:03,154
They were screwing us
and what we did was,
545
00:31:03,238 --> 00:31:06,825
whatever they put in
us, we... we held it,
546
00:31:06,908 --> 00:31:08,284
and then we birthed it,
547
00:31:08,326 --> 00:31:10,870
and then we named
it, and we loved it.
548
00:31:10,954 --> 00:31:13,081
Why wouldn't we do that in Mars?
549
00:31:13,164 --> 00:31:15,000
Why wouldn't we do
that in Jupiter?
550
00:31:15,083 --> 00:31:17,961
Why wouldn't... why
wouldn't that same energy,
551
00:31:18,003 --> 00:31:21,047
that same love,
that brought us here
552
00:31:21,131 --> 00:31:25,135
and helped us to make this
a potentially great place,
553
00:31:25,176 --> 00:31:27,012
why wouldn't that same
energy work? Of course.
554
00:31:58,376 --> 00:32:01,046
When they
came to these shores,
555
00:32:01,129 --> 00:32:03,882
they maintained
a humane quality.
556
00:32:03,965 --> 00:32:05,425
And it's been a phenomenon.
557
00:32:07,552 --> 00:32:10,388
These people decided to
fight a war with a song.
558
00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:13,266
They decided to
fight a cultural war.
559
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:14,392
With love.
560
00:32:24,652 --> 00:32:26,654
When we go to
Mars, it's the same thing.
561
00:32:26,738 --> 00:32:29,324
It's Middle Passage. When
the rocket red glares,
562
00:32:29,407 --> 00:32:31,284
the astronauts will be
able to see themselves
563
00:32:31,368 --> 00:32:34,245
pull away from Earth.
As the ship goes deeper,
564
00:32:34,287 --> 00:32:36,081
they will see a sparkle of blue.
565
00:32:36,164 --> 00:32:39,167
And then one day, not only
will they not see Earth,
566
00:32:39,250 --> 00:32:40,585
they won't know
which way to look.
567
00:32:40,669 --> 00:32:43,296
And that's why NASA needs
to call Black America.
568
00:32:43,380 --> 00:32:46,591
They need to ask us, "How
did you calm your fears?"
569
00:32:50,303 --> 00:32:52,180
"How were you able to
decide you were human
570
00:32:52,263 --> 00:32:54,224
even when everything
said you were not?"
571
00:32:54,265 --> 00:32:57,352
"How did you find the comfort
in the face of the improbable?
572
00:32:57,435 --> 00:32:59,479
To make the world you
came to, your world?"
573
00:33:01,356 --> 00:33:04,609
"How was your soul
able to look back and wonder?"
574
00:33:15,286 --> 00:33:16,597
The first thing
that's gonna happen
575
00:33:16,621 --> 00:33:19,457
in Middle Passage,
is the spiritual.
576
00:33:19,499 --> 00:33:21,960
Because it's gonna give us
the spirit to go forward.
577
00:33:22,002 --> 00:33:23,044
It's gonna be that...
578
00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:29,134
We didn't have any language
that was universal.
579
00:33:29,217 --> 00:33:32,137
So the only thing that's
gonna be universal,
580
00:33:32,178 --> 00:33:36,307
the only thing that can be
spoken is gonna be music.
581
00:33:36,391 --> 00:33:38,768
And who's going to
communicate with them?
582
00:33:38,810 --> 00:33:39,936
Who's gonna say,
583
00:33:39,978 --> 00:33:41,938
"Somehow we're gonna
make it through."
584
00:33:41,980 --> 00:33:43,481
Has to be a woman.
585
00:33:43,565 --> 00:33:45,584
'Cause it was your grandmother.
When things went wrong,
586
00:33:45,608 --> 00:33:48,445
it was your grandmother that
said, "It'll be all right."
587
00:33:57,412 --> 00:33:58,806
It's
often true, I think,
588
00:33:58,830 --> 00:34:00,540
that there is one
person in a family
589
00:34:00,623 --> 00:34:02,584
who gets it, who
understands that this child
590
00:34:02,667 --> 00:34:04,419
is a little different,
but she's a writer.
591
00:34:04,502 --> 00:34:06,314
And it's my understanding
that your grandmother
592
00:34:06,338 --> 00:34:08,505
was that person in
your family for you.
593
00:34:08,547 --> 00:34:10,483
Yeah, can we talk a little
bit about your grandmother?
594
00:34:10,507 --> 00:34:11,217
Yeah.
595
00:34:11,301 --> 00:34:12,719
And we got tissues,
so you can cry
596
00:34:12,802 --> 00:34:13,882
all you want to. It's okay.
597
00:34:13,928 --> 00:34:16,848
You know, I still remember
grandmother's phone number.
598
00:34:16,931 --> 00:34:18,350
It's 3-1-5-9-3.
599
00:34:18,850 --> 00:34:20,268
Um...
600
00:34:20,351 --> 00:34:22,062
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
601
00:34:22,145 --> 00:34:24,039
I just don't... I don't know
where we'd be without...
602
00:34:24,063 --> 00:34:26,107
without the
grandmothers, period.
603
00:34:26,190 --> 00:34:27,984
Not just mine, one of the...
604
00:34:28,025 --> 00:34:30,195
You know, you're not
that much younger,
605
00:34:30,277 --> 00:34:33,656
but you'd look at Civil Rights
just a smidgen different.
606
00:34:33,697 --> 00:34:34,574
But one of the things
607
00:34:34,657 --> 00:34:36,701
that definitely happened
to people my age
608
00:34:36,784 --> 00:34:38,661
is that we had choices.
609
00:34:38,703 --> 00:34:43,541
We could tell our
grandmothers we can't do it.
610
00:34:43,583 --> 00:34:46,168
- Mm-hmm.
- Or we could change the world.
611
00:34:46,210 --> 00:34:47,712
It was way easier
612
00:34:47,754 --> 00:34:49,474
to change the world.
613
00:34:49,547 --> 00:34:51,132
It was.
614
00:34:55,011 --> 00:34:56,971
The new Rich's
615
00:34:57,054 --> 00:35:00,183
opening Monday, August
29 in Knoxville.
616
00:35:07,273 --> 00:35:08,876
And I never liked
to picket, you know.
617
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:11,277
I mean, some people got
really high off of picketing.
618
00:35:11,361 --> 00:35:13,571
All of that stuff scared
the crap out of me.
619
00:35:17,701 --> 00:35:20,912
But the day that the kids
were bombed in Birmingham.
620
00:35:20,995 --> 00:35:22,455
Right? And that was a Sunday.
621
00:35:22,539 --> 00:35:24,916
'Cause in a way, the
Birmingham bombing was war.
622
00:35:28,420 --> 00:35:31,548
And all of the old women...
that's when adults were adults...
623
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:34,009
all of the old women
and men went to churches
624
00:35:34,092 --> 00:35:35,135
all over Knoxville,
625
00:35:35,218 --> 00:35:36,696
and they were trying
to decide what to do
626
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:38,138
and they decided to picket.
627
00:35:39,973 --> 00:35:41,213
And once you came in the house,
628
00:35:41,266 --> 00:35:42,451
Grandmother had
one of those looks.
629
00:35:42,475 --> 00:35:44,936
And she said "Nikki"
and I thought, "Uh-huh."
630
00:35:45,020 --> 00:35:47,272
I recognized the tone.
631
00:35:47,355 --> 00:35:50,608
She said, "Nikki, we decided
we're going to picket."
632
00:35:50,650 --> 00:35:52,628
And I said, "Yes, Grandmother."
'Cause that was the answer.
633
00:35:52,652 --> 00:35:53,570
Then she said,
634
00:35:53,611 --> 00:35:56,239
"And they called for
volunteers," and I said...
635
00:35:56,281 --> 00:35:57,758
"...Yes, Grandmother."
636
00:35:57,782 --> 00:35:59,993
She said, "And I told
them John Brown and I..."
637
00:36:00,076 --> 00:36:02,912
'Cause that's my grandfather.
"John Brown and I were too old,
638
00:36:02,954 --> 00:36:06,374
but my granddaughter was here."
639
00:36:06,458 --> 00:36:07,935
I did mention, I said,
"Does Mommy know"
640
00:36:07,959 --> 00:36:09,239
you're trying to get me killed?"
641
00:36:09,294 --> 00:36:10,938
But she gave me a hug
642
00:36:10,962 --> 00:36:12,047
and thought I was kidding.
643
00:36:15,342 --> 00:36:17,594
♪ Go, go, go
Go, go, go Bulldogs ♪
644
00:36:17,635 --> 00:36:20,430
♪ Go, go, go Go,
go, go Bulldogs ♪
645
00:36:20,472 --> 00:36:23,433
♪ Go, go, go Go,
go, go Bulldogs ♪
646
00:36:23,475 --> 00:36:26,936
♪ Go, go, go Go,
go, go Bulldogs ♪
647
00:36:40,408 --> 00:36:42,285
I went to Fisk.
648
00:36:42,327 --> 00:36:44,913
I was there with John
Lewis and Diane Nash.
649
00:36:46,498 --> 00:36:48,333
We sat in, in Nashville.
650
00:36:49,959 --> 00:36:54,005
I asked a waitress
for a hamburger and a Coke.
651
00:36:54,089 --> 00:36:55,674
I said, "I'm sorry,
our management
652
00:36:55,715 --> 00:36:58,426
does not allow us to
serve niggers in here."
653
00:37:00,303 --> 00:37:02,555
In the winter
and early spring of 1960,
654
00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:05,183
the efforts of Nashville's
Negro college students
655
00:37:05,225 --> 00:37:07,185
had led to the integration
of lunch counters
656
00:37:07,227 --> 00:37:09,688
at six department
and variety stores.
657
00:37:09,771 --> 00:37:11,648
But they were still
excluded from eating
658
00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:14,234
at the city's downtown drug
stores and restaurants,
659
00:37:14,317 --> 00:37:16,403
train depot, and the bus stop...
660
00:37:25,036 --> 00:37:26,847
You enrolled twice.
661
00:37:26,871 --> 00:37:29,541
The first time you were
expelled after a run-in
662
00:37:29,582 --> 00:37:31,876
with the conservative
dean of women.
663
00:37:31,918 --> 00:37:34,045
Your grandmother was
very much in your corner,
664
00:37:34,087 --> 00:37:35,171
but Fisk didn't really care
665
00:37:35,213 --> 00:37:36,399
about anybody being
in your corner
666
00:37:36,423 --> 00:37:37,549
and they asked you to leave.
667
00:37:37,632 --> 00:37:39,360
I wasn't really good at
taking a lot of stuff.
668
00:37:39,384 --> 00:37:40,593
I think I had a lot of anger.
669
00:37:46,016 --> 00:37:47,827
Dean Cheatham and
I had different visions
670
00:37:47,851 --> 00:37:51,396
of what a lady is, and
what a woman should do.
671
00:37:54,315 --> 00:37:56,067
But I also
realized, you know,
672
00:37:56,151 --> 00:37:58,153
all of my strengths
are here up, right?
673
00:37:58,236 --> 00:37:59,404
It's all in my head,
674
00:37:59,487 --> 00:38:01,281
so that means I have
to go back to school.
675
00:38:01,364 --> 00:38:03,284
Could I have enrolled at
University of Cincinnati
676
00:38:03,366 --> 00:38:04,409
or something? Sure.
677
00:38:04,492 --> 00:38:06,286
But if I'm having
a failure at Fisk,
678
00:38:06,369 --> 00:38:07,704
then I need to go back to Fisk.
679
00:38:07,746 --> 00:38:09,831
So I borrowed a friend's
car and drove down
680
00:38:09,914 --> 00:38:11,666
and wanted to meet
the dean of women.
681
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:13,728
'Cause I figured if I couldn't
get along with the dean,
682
00:38:13,752 --> 00:38:15,232
I'm not gonna make
it the second time.
683
00:38:15,295 --> 00:38:17,505
So that's gonna be a waste.
684
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:20,467
How important was John
O Killens's workshop
685
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:22,344
to you at that moment?
686
00:38:22,427 --> 00:38:23,845
John Killens had
687
00:38:23,928 --> 00:38:26,806
the first Black Arts
Festival at Fisk.
688
00:38:26,890 --> 00:38:29,517
And we had LeRoi Jones,
he was LeRoi Jones then.
689
00:38:29,601 --> 00:38:30,602
That's when he was,
690
00:38:30,643 --> 00:38:31,996
"Up against the
wall, motherfucker.
691
00:38:32,020 --> 00:38:34,939
This is a stickup," you know?
I mean we just adored him.
692
00:38:36,441 --> 00:38:38,777
Negro Digest sent
David Lawrence down.
693
00:38:42,405 --> 00:38:45,784
David asked everybody
to write something.
694
00:38:50,372 --> 00:38:52,123
That was my first
experience in publishing,
695
00:38:52,207 --> 00:38:53,541
and I was just very lucky.
696
00:39:19,484 --> 00:39:21,277
I'm basically
a city girl.
697
00:39:21,319 --> 00:39:24,155
I went to New York,
I think I was 22,
698
00:39:24,197 --> 00:39:25,240
23 years old, I don't...
699
00:39:25,323 --> 00:39:26,723
I don't actually
remember right now.
700
00:39:26,783 --> 00:39:29,119
I guess just '67,
whatever that amounts to.
701
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,663
One of things I wanted to
do, of course, was write.
702
00:39:31,705 --> 00:39:33,540
And in writing,
one of the skills
703
00:39:33,623 --> 00:39:35,792
that I wanted to take to
the New York experience
704
00:39:35,875 --> 00:39:37,335
was small-town skills.
705
00:39:37,419 --> 00:39:40,547
And this is like, this
is when Nikki was crazy.
706
00:39:42,132 --> 00:39:43,341
My mother's a jazz fan
707
00:39:43,425 --> 00:39:45,010
and I wanted to do
something for Mommy.
708
00:39:46,636 --> 00:39:47,762
New York is, you know,
709
00:39:47,846 --> 00:39:50,015
none of the clubs
are open on Sunday.
710
00:39:50,682 --> 00:39:52,517
So, I went to Birdland.
711
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:54,728
There's a guy
there, Harold Logan.
712
00:39:57,731 --> 00:39:59,524
I went down
and introduced myself
713
00:39:59,607 --> 00:40:01,776
and had my book and
I said I'd like to,
714
00:40:01,860 --> 00:40:04,237
you know, have a book
party on a Sunday
715
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,405
since you're closed anyway.
716
00:40:05,488 --> 00:40:07,365
His position was,
"What do I get?"
717
00:40:07,407 --> 00:40:09,534
Because he's a businessman
and he's a thug.
718
00:40:09,617 --> 00:40:11,161
And I said, "Well...
719
00:40:12,037 --> 00:40:13,788
what do you need?"
720
00:40:13,872 --> 00:40:15,558
Because I didn't have any...
I didn't have any money.
721
00:40:15,582 --> 00:40:17,018
You know, it didn't
matter. What do you need?
722
00:40:17,042 --> 00:40:19,961
And he said, "Okay, Giovanni."
Giovanni, like that.
723
00:40:20,045 --> 00:40:22,339
He said, "Okay, Giovanni,
bring me a hundred people.
724
00:40:22,380 --> 00:40:23,548
And the club is free.
725
00:40:23,590 --> 00:40:25,550
Ninety-nine people and
you'll have to pay me."
726
00:40:25,592 --> 00:40:26,760
I said, "That's fair enough."
727
00:40:26,843 --> 00:40:28,362
'Cause I think I can get
100 people to do anything.
728
00:40:28,386 --> 00:40:30,055
My friend, Morgan Freeman,
729
00:40:30,096 --> 00:40:32,057
he was my next-door
neighbor. Morgan read for me.
730
00:40:32,140 --> 00:40:33,808
Novella Nelson read for me.
731
00:40:33,892 --> 00:40:36,353
A bunch of people, you know.
So it was gonna be fun.
732
00:40:36,394 --> 00:40:39,189
But Birdland sits,
733
00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:42,567
or at that point,
it sat almost...
734
00:40:42,650 --> 00:40:44,986
What do you... Catty-cornered
to the New York Times.
735
00:40:45,070 --> 00:40:47,989
So people started coming
early because it was free.
736
00:40:48,073 --> 00:40:49,324
And then, the line
737
00:40:49,407 --> 00:40:51,493
went out, and then the
line turned a corner.
738
00:40:51,576 --> 00:40:52,619
And by that time
739
00:40:52,702 --> 00:40:54,746
New York Times is
looking down and seeing
740
00:40:54,788 --> 00:40:57,665
predominantly Black
people lined up.
741
00:40:57,749 --> 00:40:59,501
So they went... they
sent a reporter down
742
00:40:59,584 --> 00:41:00,669
to see what's going on.
743
00:41:00,752 --> 00:41:02,754
And finally, the reporter
came up and said,
744
00:41:02,796 --> 00:41:05,340
"I'm looking for Nick Giovanni.
Do you know where he is?"
745
00:41:05,423 --> 00:41:07,717
And I... "I'm Nick Giovanni."
746
00:41:07,759 --> 00:41:08,986
You know.
"You're looking for me."
747
00:41:09,010 --> 00:41:11,179
"No, no, I'm looking
for Nick Giovanni."
748
00:41:11,262 --> 00:41:12,222
"I'm Nikki Gio..." You know,
749
00:41:12,263 --> 00:41:13,699
it just took him a
minute to realize.
750
00:41:13,723 --> 00:41:14,933
And he said, "What is this?"
751
00:41:14,974 --> 00:41:16,854
And the answer was, "Black
Judgement is coming."
752
00:41:19,020 --> 00:41:21,690
If you see a first edition
of that book, it's beautiful.
753
00:41:27,070 --> 00:41:27,987
But I said, well,
754
00:41:28,071 --> 00:41:29,948
who's gonna publish
my poetry, right?
755
00:41:29,989 --> 00:41:32,659
Nobody. So I called
my grandmother
756
00:41:32,742 --> 00:41:34,119
and I asked a few other people
757
00:41:34,202 --> 00:41:36,579
to give me a loan and I
had the book published.
758
00:41:36,621 --> 00:41:39,708
I had 1,000 copies of it. So
you have to sell it, right?
759
00:41:39,791 --> 00:41:42,502
And I sent five copies
here, five copies there,
760
00:41:42,585 --> 00:41:43,837
asked the people to sell it.
761
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,606
They sold and, you know,
you get these little checks
762
00:41:45,630 --> 00:41:46,750
for three dollars, you know?
763
00:41:50,969 --> 00:41:52,721
"Walking
down Fifth Avenue
764
00:41:52,804 --> 00:41:54,472
in my bell-bottoms
and Earth shoes,
765
00:41:54,514 --> 00:41:55,724
smoking a cigarette
766
00:41:55,807 --> 00:41:58,268
because I didn't know the
dangers of lung cancer,
767
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:59,811
nor the pleasures of wine.
768
00:41:59,894 --> 00:42:02,147
There was a bookstore
on this corner
769
00:42:02,188 --> 00:42:03,815
and that corner.
770
00:42:03,898 --> 00:42:06,151
Life was difficult for a
Black girl with no money,
771
00:42:06,234 --> 00:42:09,070
who only had a dream of
talent measured by truth.
772
00:42:09,154 --> 00:42:12,449
But passing those bookstores
with a confident smoke,
773
00:42:12,532 --> 00:42:16,161
there was possibility.
Always the possibility."
774
00:42:22,167 --> 00:42:24,336
I was
lecturing the other day
775
00:42:24,419 --> 00:42:26,004
down in this same cellar,
776
00:42:26,046 --> 00:42:28,256
and a gang of little
Black boys came in.
777
00:42:28,340 --> 00:42:29,632
They held up their fists.
778
00:42:29,674 --> 00:42:33,219
Talking about Black
power. I said, "Look, son,
779
00:42:33,303 --> 00:42:36,598
I'd like to straighten you
out. "I said, " Black...
780
00:42:36,681 --> 00:42:39,142
is beautiful, but
Black isn't power.
781
00:42:39,184 --> 00:42:40,894
Knowledge is power."
782
00:42:42,896 --> 00:42:46,274
The day that
Mr. Michaux said,
783
00:42:46,358 --> 00:42:48,735
"Giovanni, you have a minute?"
784
00:42:48,818 --> 00:42:51,738
Because, you know,
underneath he had that cellar
785
00:42:51,821 --> 00:42:54,366
and he had the
coffee from Ghana,
786
00:42:54,407 --> 00:42:56,451
and when he asked
me if I could stay,
787
00:42:56,534 --> 00:42:57,636
and have the coffee with you,
788
00:42:57,660 --> 00:42:59,013
I thought, "Oh shit,
I'm important."
789
00:43:03,041 --> 00:43:07,379
Where were
you on April 4th, 1968?
790
00:43:09,047 --> 00:43:11,299
I don't know.
791
00:43:11,383 --> 00:43:13,385
I know what it was. You
know, Martin was killed.
792
00:43:13,426 --> 00:43:16,179
I just don't know where I
was. I don't know. I'm sorry.
793
00:43:16,221 --> 00:43:18,598
But how did
that day affect you?
794
00:43:22,769 --> 00:43:25,271
I'm sure it's a good
question, but I'm not...
795
00:43:25,355 --> 00:43:28,233
I've already answered and I...
796
00:43:28,316 --> 00:43:29,734
I can't take it any further.
797
00:43:29,776 --> 00:43:32,112
I don't know what else to
say about it. I'm sorry.
798
00:43:32,195 --> 00:43:33,238
I really am.
799
00:43:45,291 --> 00:43:47,711
"What
can I, a poor Black woman,
800
00:43:47,752 --> 00:43:49,838
do to destroy America?
801
00:43:51,756 --> 00:43:54,759
This is a question with
appropriate variations
802
00:43:54,801 --> 00:43:57,095
being asked in
every Black heart.
803
00:43:57,721 --> 00:43:59,180
There is one answer.
804
00:43:59,723 --> 00:44:01,224
I can kill.
805
00:44:01,266 --> 00:44:05,687
There is one compromise. I
can protect those who kill.
806
00:44:07,313 --> 00:44:11,735
There is one cop-out. I can
encourage others to kill.
807
00:44:11,776 --> 00:44:14,487
There are no other ways.
808
00:44:14,571 --> 00:44:16,448
The assassination of
Martin Luther King
809
00:44:16,531 --> 00:44:18,116
is an act of war.
810
00:44:19,659 --> 00:44:22,871
And some honky asked
about the reaction.
811
00:44:22,954 --> 00:44:24,247
What do you people want?
812
00:44:24,289 --> 00:44:26,458
Isn't it enough
that you killed him?
813
00:44:26,541 --> 00:44:28,585
You wanna tell me how to mourn?
814
00:44:28,626 --> 00:44:31,713
You want to determine
how, I, a lover,
815
00:44:31,796 --> 00:44:34,883
should respond to the
death of my beloved?
816
00:44:34,966 --> 00:44:36,509
May he rest in peace.
817
00:44:36,593 --> 00:44:40,889
May his blood choke the life
of ten hundred million Whites.
818
00:44:40,972 --> 00:44:44,225
May the warriors in the streets
go ever forth into the stores
819
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:48,396
for guns and TVs, for
whatever makes them happy."
820
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,291
I think
the country made a mistake
821
00:44:50,315 --> 00:44:51,733
when they killed Dr. King.
822
00:44:51,816 --> 00:44:52,817
Would've been far better
823
00:44:52,901 --> 00:44:54,861
if they killed Rap
Brown or myself.
824
00:44:54,944 --> 00:44:56,696
Because then they could
say to Black people
825
00:44:56,780 --> 00:44:59,991
that, uh, we're preaching
guns and he who preaches...
826
00:45:00,075 --> 00:45:02,535
who lives by the sword,
will die by the sword.
827
00:45:02,619 --> 00:45:04,621
But they couldn't do
that for Dr. King,
828
00:45:04,662 --> 00:45:06,581
because he preached love.
829
00:45:06,664 --> 00:45:09,626
And there is no possible
way for them to...
830
00:45:09,668 --> 00:45:13,004
to make an excuse of
Dr. King's killing.
831
00:45:13,088 --> 00:45:15,799
So, when they killed Dr. King,
they just opened up the eyes
832
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,967
of a lot of Black people.
833
00:45:24,683 --> 00:45:26,059
"When I was a teenager,
834
00:45:26,142 --> 00:45:28,019
I used to sit on
front porch steps
835
00:45:28,061 --> 00:45:30,814
conversing the gym teacher's
son with embryonic eyes
836
00:45:30,855 --> 00:45:33,233
about the essential
essence of the universe,
837
00:45:33,316 --> 00:45:36,403
recognizing the basic
powerlessness of me.
838
00:45:36,486 --> 00:45:37,696
But then I went to college
839
00:45:37,779 --> 00:45:40,990
where I learned that just
because everything I was
840
00:45:41,074 --> 00:45:42,075
was unreal,
841
00:45:42,158 --> 00:45:43,201
I could be real.
842
00:45:43,284 --> 00:45:45,161
And not just real
through withdrawal
843
00:45:45,203 --> 00:45:46,913
and through emotional crosshairs
844
00:45:46,996 --> 00:45:49,749
or colored-bourgeois
intellectual pretensions,
845
00:45:49,833 --> 00:45:52,711
but from involvement with
things approaching reality.
846
00:45:52,794 --> 00:45:54,713
I could possibly have a life.
847
00:45:54,796 --> 00:45:56,172
So catatonic emotions
848
00:45:56,214 --> 00:45:58,717
and time-wasting sex
games were replaced
849
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,554
with functioning commitments
to logic and necessity.
850
00:46:02,595 --> 00:46:04,389
For a while, progress was made
851
00:46:04,431 --> 00:46:06,766
along with a certain
degree of happiness.
852
00:46:06,850 --> 00:46:09,102
'Cause I wrote a book
and found a love,
853
00:46:09,185 --> 00:46:12,397
and organized a theater
and even gave some lessons,
854
00:46:12,439 --> 00:46:15,817
some lectures on Black
history, and began to believe
855
00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:17,652
all good people
could get together
856
00:46:17,736 --> 00:46:19,904
and win without bloodshed.
857
00:46:19,946 --> 00:46:23,908
Then Hammarskjöld was killed,
and Lumumba was killed,
858
00:46:23,992 --> 00:46:26,870
and Diem was killed,
and Kennedy was killed,
859
00:46:26,911 --> 00:46:29,831
and Malcolm was killed,
and Evers was killed.
860
00:46:29,914 --> 00:46:32,250
And Schwerner, Chaney,
and Goodman were killed,
861
00:46:32,334 --> 00:46:35,170
and King was killed,
and Kennedy was killed.
862
00:46:35,253 --> 00:46:39,049
And sometimes I wonder why
I didn't become a debutante
863
00:46:39,090 --> 00:46:42,302
sitting on doctors' porches,
going to church all the time,
864
00:46:42,385 --> 00:46:44,971
wondering, 'is my eye
makeup on straight?'
865
00:46:45,055 --> 00:46:48,892
Or a withdrawn, discoursing
on the stars and the moon.
866
00:46:48,933 --> 00:46:51,269
Instead of a for
real Black person
867
00:46:51,353 --> 00:46:55,273
who must now feel
and inflict pain."
868
00:47:01,112 --> 00:47:03,114
But sweetheart...
869
00:47:03,198 --> 00:47:04,759
What you're saying is
very, very serious.
870
00:47:04,783 --> 00:47:08,078
I'm not in the least denying it,
'cause you're perfectly right.
871
00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:09,746
I'm not being a missionary
872
00:47:09,788 --> 00:47:12,082
trying to save America.
873
00:47:13,667 --> 00:47:15,960
But I do know that...
I do know that...
874
00:47:16,044 --> 00:47:18,630
we have paid too much for
it to be able to abandon it.
875
00:47:19,964 --> 00:47:22,634
We can never abandon it.
876
00:47:22,676 --> 00:47:23,986
I don't think that
that's a question,
877
00:47:24,010 --> 00:47:25,762
because where else
are we gonna go?
878
00:47:25,804 --> 00:47:27,055
I mean, nobody else wants us.
879
00:47:27,138 --> 00:47:28,491
- But in any case...
- That's the truth.
880
00:47:28,515 --> 00:47:30,725
In any case, my father
and my father's father
881
00:47:30,809 --> 00:47:32,102
has paid too much for it.
882
00:47:32,143 --> 00:47:33,478
I've paid too much for it.
883
00:47:33,561 --> 00:47:34,771
- I'm only 28.
- Yes, yes.
884
00:47:34,813 --> 00:47:36,231
'Cause, like, I
deserve, you know,
885
00:47:36,314 --> 00:47:37,816
to do whatever I
wanna do with it.
886
00:47:37,857 --> 00:47:40,860
- Mm-hmm.
- You know, whatever that means.
887
00:47:40,944 --> 00:47:42,779
Well, I... personally,
I'm just not interested
888
00:47:42,821 --> 00:47:44,423
in many things that
people are interested in.
889
00:47:44,447 --> 00:47:47,826
I'm not interested in the
president or a Congress.
890
00:47:47,909 --> 00:47:50,036
Because it's still somebody
trying to run my life.
891
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,039
I'm not interested in
movements and ideologies.
892
00:47:53,123 --> 00:47:54,916
I just don't give a damn.
893
00:48:04,342 --> 00:48:06,302
For the first two
years I was in New York,
894
00:48:06,344 --> 00:48:07,762
I was just taking
care of myself.
895
00:48:07,846 --> 00:48:11,349
But then after I had Thomas,
I had responsibilities, right?
896
00:48:11,433 --> 00:48:13,518
And I didn't have a job
and didn't want a job,
897
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:14,728
wasn't looking for a job,
898
00:48:14,811 --> 00:48:16,896
which meant that I
had to earn a living
899
00:48:16,980 --> 00:48:19,274
from my poetry. I
had to buy diapers,
900
00:48:19,357 --> 00:48:20,984
and for the first
time in my life,
901
00:48:21,026 --> 00:48:22,652
I had to buy food for somebody.
902
00:48:23,611 --> 00:48:25,238
I'd be on the road, uh...
903
00:48:26,072 --> 00:48:29,868
I don't know, 48
weeks out of 52?
904
00:48:29,909 --> 00:48:32,454
And so Thomas, of
course, is nomadic.
905
00:48:32,537 --> 00:48:35,206
I mean, I'm sure to
some degree he felt like
906
00:48:35,248 --> 00:48:37,125
life was more on an airplane
907
00:48:37,208 --> 00:48:38,928
than anyplace else
'cause I took him with me
908
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,628
until he was able
to go to school.
909
00:48:49,054 --> 00:48:51,056
"My son is so lucky.
910
00:48:51,139 --> 00:48:57,139
I had him educated, vaccinated,
and gave him swimming lessons.
911
00:48:58,021 --> 00:48:59,397
He is unhappy.
912
00:49:00,231 --> 00:49:02,275
He doesn't know that's love."
913
00:49:09,741 --> 00:49:11,034
I have a son.
914
00:49:11,076 --> 00:49:13,078
So I think I have some
insight into young men.
915
00:49:13,161 --> 00:49:15,413
It is a sad thing sometimes
to be a Black man.
916
00:49:16,539 --> 00:49:18,917
I rode off to colleges
for applications.
917
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,168
I did my little mother thing
918
00:49:20,251 --> 00:49:21,920
so that he would know
what's available.
919
00:49:22,003 --> 00:49:23,797
I took him around to
colleges and everything.
920
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,340
But he still did
wanna go to Paris,
921
00:49:25,423 --> 00:49:26,901
because he said he
wanted to find himself.
922
00:49:26,925 --> 00:49:28,093
I have to laugh at my son
923
00:49:28,176 --> 00:49:29,445
because I'm always
under the impression
924
00:49:29,469 --> 00:49:32,305
you cannot find something
where you didn't lose it.
925
00:49:35,058 --> 00:49:36,410
We were
sitting around talking
926
00:49:36,434 --> 00:49:38,245
and I said, you know, "Have
you thought about college?"
927
00:49:38,269 --> 00:49:39,521
"Well, I'm not ready."
928
00:49:39,604 --> 00:49:41,582
I said, "Tell you what, I
have a counter offer here.
929
00:49:41,606 --> 00:49:44,859
How about you go to the army,
or you get out of my life?"
930
00:49:44,943 --> 00:49:46,444
So...
931
00:49:46,486 --> 00:49:48,086
It worked very well.
He went to the army.
932
00:49:48,113 --> 00:49:50,132
I'm very proud of him.
933
00:49:50,156 --> 00:49:52,242
I am. He's soldier of
the week or something,
934
00:49:52,283 --> 00:49:55,078
I get letters from his
commanding officer.
935
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,123
It's been fun. It's been great.
936
00:49:58,164 --> 00:49:59,884
Because my son grew up
with a bunch of women
937
00:49:59,916 --> 00:50:01,001
and some of you all did.
938
00:50:01,084 --> 00:50:03,003
And I'm like probably
any other parent.
939
00:50:03,086 --> 00:50:04,271
You know, he likes
his milk glass
940
00:50:04,295 --> 00:50:05,898
chilled in the morning.
So I would, you know,
941
00:50:05,922 --> 00:50:06,965
wake up in the morning
942
00:50:07,007 --> 00:50:08,275
and put his milk
glass in the freezer,
943
00:50:08,299 --> 00:50:10,093
so that it would be
nice and cold for him.
944
00:50:10,135 --> 00:50:12,220
He went to the army, not
only was the glass not cold,
945
00:50:12,303 --> 00:50:14,305
the milk wasn't. You know?
946
00:50:14,389 --> 00:50:16,492
And that was a wonderful
thing, because my son realized
947
00:50:16,516 --> 00:50:18,327
that everybody doesn't have
somebody who loves them.
948
00:50:18,351 --> 00:50:20,020
Some of you don't
know that even yet.
949
00:50:20,103 --> 00:50:21,663
Some of you think the
world is out there
950
00:50:21,688 --> 00:50:22,480
and it's supposed to love you.
951
00:50:22,564 --> 00:50:24,190
The world doesn't
really care very much.
952
00:50:24,274 --> 00:50:25,376
Some of the world is hostile.
953
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,044
But, mostly, the world
doesn't give a damn.
954
00:50:27,068 --> 00:50:28,945
And it's very hard
to get that across
955
00:50:28,987 --> 00:50:30,530
to those of us
who are young men,
956
00:50:30,613 --> 00:50:32,657
because you actually
get disappointed.
957
00:50:32,741 --> 00:50:33,992
You know, your heart is hurt
958
00:50:34,034 --> 00:50:36,411
that somebody isn't
being nice to you
959
00:50:36,494 --> 00:50:37,328
or kind to you.
960
00:50:37,370 --> 00:50:39,164
Reality says you're
gonna have to buck up.
961
00:50:52,927 --> 00:50:56,139
Not since Kobe, no
matter what the day is.
962
00:50:56,181 --> 00:50:57,974
Oh, that's right.
963
00:50:58,016 --> 00:51:00,143
Nikki and her
son were estranged
964
00:51:00,185 --> 00:51:01,644
for a number of years.
965
00:51:02,771 --> 00:51:05,774
The last couple of
years, they began to...
966
00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:10,028
get back together and...
967
00:51:10,111 --> 00:51:13,615
she's crazy about having
this granddaughter,
968
00:51:13,698 --> 00:51:17,243
who she's really gotten to know
only in the last year or two.
969
00:51:17,327 --> 00:51:19,412
And she and her son are...
970
00:51:21,206 --> 00:51:23,541
having a friendship again.
971
00:51:23,583 --> 00:51:26,211
And that's good, 'cause
now we're old and...
972
00:51:27,587 --> 00:51:30,298
who knows how long
anybody will live.
973
00:51:30,382 --> 00:51:32,217
You look
like Grandmother.
974
00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:33,527
I look like Grandmother?
975
00:51:33,551 --> 00:51:35,553
- Mm-hmm.
- No, is that...
976
00:51:35,595 --> 00:51:37,847
No, you make... She used
to make the same face
977
00:51:37,889 --> 00:51:39,325
- kinda sitting around.
- Really?
978
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:42,185
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
979
00:51:42,227 --> 00:51:44,354
Can you take a
photo of me and Kai?
980
00:51:47,982 --> 00:51:49,275
If you don't mind.
981
00:51:51,778 --> 00:51:52,946
This look okay to you?
982
00:51:53,029 --> 00:51:54,489
- Yes.
- My face look okay?
983
00:51:54,572 --> 00:51:56,491
Very nice.
984
00:51:56,574 --> 00:51:58,743
Tell us about
the title of your book.
985
00:51:58,785 --> 00:51:59,536
I'm sorry?
986
00:51:59,577 --> 00:52:00,805
The
title of your book.
987
00:52:00,829 --> 00:52:01,829
Make Me Rain?
988
00:52:01,871 --> 00:52:03,831
Yeah, and how
did you come up with that?
989
00:52:03,873 --> 00:52:07,085
Actually, having Kai here,
that's why I wanted a picture.
990
00:52:07,168 --> 00:52:09,129
If I'm rain, she's the blossom.
991
00:52:09,212 --> 00:52:10,672
As you get older, which,
992
00:52:10,755 --> 00:52:12,757
I'm the oldest person
here, of course,
993
00:52:12,841 --> 00:52:14,300
one of the things you know
994
00:52:14,384 --> 00:52:16,386
is that you wanna
leave something.
995
00:52:16,428 --> 00:52:18,054
And the only way
to leave something
996
00:52:18,096 --> 00:52:19,514
is to transition it.
997
00:52:19,597 --> 00:52:21,933
And so rain is what
makes that possible.
998
00:52:22,017 --> 00:52:24,602
And smile.
999
00:52:24,686 --> 00:52:26,414
- Big smile...
- Yeah!
1000
00:52:27,605 --> 00:52:29,083
Don't
worry about those teeth.
1001
00:52:29,107 --> 00:52:30,627
Perfect.
1002
00:52:37,365 --> 00:52:39,242
Pearl always says
I didn't babysit her
1003
00:52:39,284 --> 00:52:41,004
because I'm not that
much older than she is.
1004
00:52:41,077 --> 00:52:42,287
But what she forgets
1005
00:52:42,370 --> 00:52:46,124
is that the difference
between 20 and 12,
1006
00:52:46,207 --> 00:52:47,375
is... it changes.
1007
00:52:47,459 --> 00:52:50,045
When you're 20 and 28, right?
1008
00:52:50,128 --> 00:52:53,465
And when you get to
be 40 and 48, right?
1009
00:52:53,548 --> 00:52:54,341
It gets erased.
1010
00:52:54,424 --> 00:52:56,593
You're actually now
older than I am.
1011
00:52:56,634 --> 00:52:58,636
Because...
1012
00:52:58,678 --> 00:53:00,472
Right?
1013
00:53:00,513 --> 00:53:02,640
Because she's a
grandmother and I'm not.
1014
00:53:02,682 --> 00:53:04,076
And grandmothers...
1015
00:53:04,100 --> 00:53:07,771
I could go out into the street
and get my head beat, right?
1016
00:53:07,812 --> 00:53:09,814
Or I could babysit
1017
00:53:09,856 --> 00:53:11,858
and be doing revolutionary duty.
1018
00:53:11,941 --> 00:53:13,318
This was a no-brainer.
1019
00:53:13,401 --> 00:53:15,153
So...
1020
00:53:18,156 --> 00:53:20,200
Detroit was the center.
1021
00:53:21,368 --> 00:53:24,204
And Reverend Cleage was
very, very important.
1022
00:53:24,287 --> 00:53:27,165
Everybody
knows police brutality exists.
1023
00:53:27,248 --> 00:53:29,250
For police officers
to take our time,
1024
00:53:29,334 --> 00:53:31,336
to waste the time
of an entire nation,
1025
00:53:31,378 --> 00:53:33,546
talking about they never
heard of police brutality,
1026
00:53:33,630 --> 00:53:34,899
they don't know
what Black people
1027
00:53:34,923 --> 00:53:35,757
are talking about,
1028
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,592
they can't prove it.
We know in Detroit,
1029
00:53:37,676 --> 00:53:41,346
any time a Black person is
brutalized by the police,
1030
00:53:41,388 --> 00:53:43,264
he goes into court
and he's arrested
1031
00:53:43,348 --> 00:53:44,349
for assault and battery.
1032
00:53:44,391 --> 00:53:46,351
Now, the basic
issue is so simple,
1033
00:53:46,393 --> 00:53:47,977
and nobody will even touch it,
1034
00:53:48,019 --> 00:53:49,437
because you're
afraid to touch it.
1035
00:53:49,521 --> 00:53:51,690
You are deliberately
trying to evade the issue.
1036
00:53:51,731 --> 00:53:54,818
Everybody...
1037
00:53:56,486 --> 00:54:02,075
And Reverend Cleage knew
that he couldn't leave his kids.
1038
00:54:02,158 --> 00:54:03,368
Couldn't leave 'em alone.
1039
00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:05,870
And so he needed somebody
to stay with the kids.
1040
00:54:05,912 --> 00:54:06,830
I'd laugh, but it's true.
1041
00:54:06,871 --> 00:54:09,332
I said, "I'll stay.
I'll stay with 'em."
1042
00:54:09,374 --> 00:54:11,626
And, of course, you're
gonna turn the lights out
1043
00:54:11,710 --> 00:54:13,430
because everybody knew
where Reverend Cleage
1044
00:54:13,503 --> 00:54:16,339
and Mrs. Cleage lived.
And everybody knew...
1045
00:54:17,382 --> 00:54:19,509
how to go in and
shoot them. And so,
1046
00:54:19,551 --> 00:54:21,886
one of the things that Al,
his name was Al, that Al knew
1047
00:54:21,928 --> 00:54:25,849
was that I was not gonna
let his kids get killed.
1048
00:54:25,890 --> 00:54:29,227
During those days, of course,
everybody, you know, had a gun.
1049
00:54:29,269 --> 00:54:32,063
So, uh, you just prepare to...
1050
00:54:32,147 --> 00:54:34,858
to take care of the people
you're supposed to take care of.
1051
00:54:36,526 --> 00:54:39,612
I say violence is necessary.
1052
00:54:39,696 --> 00:54:42,032
Violence is a part
of America's culture.
1053
00:54:42,073 --> 00:54:44,284
It is as American as cherry pie.
1054
00:54:44,367 --> 00:54:46,119
It's not us that's
preaching violence.
1055
00:54:46,202 --> 00:54:48,163
It's not us that's
dealing violence.
1056
00:54:48,204 --> 00:54:50,707
It's us that are being
subjected to violence.
1057
00:54:53,501 --> 00:54:55,181
"Nigger, can you kill?
1058
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,047
Can you kill?
1059
00:54:58,256 --> 00:54:59,924
Can a nigger kill a honky?
1060
00:55:03,011 --> 00:55:04,929
Can a nigger kill the man?
1061
00:55:06,431 --> 00:55:08,641
Can you kill, nigger, huh?
1062
00:55:10,518 --> 00:55:13,813
Do you know how to draw
blood? Can you poison?
1063
00:55:14,397 --> 00:55:15,732
Can you kill?
1064
00:55:20,445 --> 00:55:23,782
Can you run a Protestant
down with your '68 El Dorado?
1065
00:55:24,699 --> 00:55:26,034
Can you kill?
1066
00:55:26,117 --> 00:55:30,246
Can you piss on a blonde
head? Can you cut it off?
1067
00:55:30,288 --> 00:55:32,624
Can you kill the nigger in you?
1068
00:55:33,583 --> 00:55:34,834
A nigger can die.
1069
00:55:34,918 --> 00:55:36,961
We ain't got to
prove we can die.
1070
00:55:37,045 --> 00:55:39,506
We got to prove we can kill.
1071
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:41,800
We killed in Vietnam for them.
1072
00:55:41,883 --> 00:55:45,637
We kill for UN and
NATO, and SEATO and US,
1073
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:49,349
and everywhere for all
alphabet but Black.
1074
00:55:50,433 --> 00:55:53,395
Can we learn to kill
White for Black?
1075
00:55:53,478 --> 00:55:58,149
Learn to kill, niggers.
Learn to be Black men."
1076
00:56:57,042 --> 00:56:58,835
I like football.
1077
00:56:59,878 --> 00:57:02,672
And when I watch the
young men, I watch Colin,
1078
00:57:02,714 --> 00:57:05,467
and then we watch the others,
and they're takin' a knee.
1079
00:57:05,550 --> 00:57:09,179
Any man that gets on his knee,
1080
00:57:09,220 --> 00:57:12,515
we know that's an act of love.
1081
00:57:12,557 --> 00:57:15,435
We know
that. We know that.
1082
00:57:15,518 --> 00:57:16,561
They are on their knee,
1083
00:57:16,644 --> 00:57:18,122
and they're saying
to the Constitution,
1084
00:57:18,146 --> 00:57:19,356
"Do you love me?"
1085
00:57:19,397 --> 00:57:20,565
How wonderful
1086
00:57:20,607 --> 00:57:23,360
that they are
saying "I love you.
1087
00:57:23,401 --> 00:57:27,197
Now you have to love me back."
1088
00:57:27,238 --> 00:57:28,948
But I think the
most important thing
1089
00:57:29,032 --> 00:57:29,908
that we have to do now
1090
00:57:29,991 --> 00:57:32,369
is take the guns
away from policemen.
1091
00:57:34,913 --> 00:57:36,915
And I know, some of
you say "Oh, Nikki,
1092
00:57:36,998 --> 00:57:38,750
if we take the guns
away from the policemen,
1093
00:57:38,792 --> 00:57:40,001
the policemen will get shot."
1094
00:57:40,085 --> 00:57:43,171
Well, yes. They will.
1095
00:57:43,254 --> 00:57:47,425
These things happen.
1096
00:57:47,509 --> 00:57:50,929
But you can't keep shooting
people who are unarmed.
1097
00:57:52,263 --> 00:57:56,267
Because I'm really sick
of people picking on Black men.
1098
00:58:00,105 --> 00:58:03,608
In 1983, I wrote you
and you wrote me back.
1099
00:58:03,650 --> 00:58:06,778
I was in college ready to quit.
1100
00:58:06,861 --> 00:58:09,280
'Cause it was... You know,
I was on a seven-year plan.
1101
00:58:09,364 --> 00:58:10,758
So I...
1102
00:58:10,782 --> 00:58:13,159
And you said, "Don't give up."
1103
00:58:13,243 --> 00:58:14,619
You told me not to give up.
1104
00:58:14,703 --> 00:58:17,831
I was at Florida A&M.
I didn't give up.
1105
00:58:17,914 --> 00:58:21,042
And I'm now a teacher
in Newark, New Jersey.
1106
00:58:21,126 --> 00:58:24,254
But I love you. My sister
used to read me you.
1107
00:58:24,295 --> 00:58:26,214
"Nikki-Rosa."
1108
00:58:26,297 --> 00:58:27,590
I felt you.
1109
00:58:27,632 --> 00:58:30,135
'Cause I know the pains.
1110
00:58:30,176 --> 00:58:33,263
"It's not your father's drinking
that makes any difference."
1111
00:58:51,698 --> 00:58:53,658
I loved
tonight. It was awesome.
1112
00:58:53,742 --> 00:58:55,368
- Thank you.
- Yes!
1113
00:58:55,452 --> 00:58:57,245
Thank you for being
such an inspiration.
1114
00:58:57,328 --> 00:58:58,788
Oh, thank you.
1115
00:59:01,499 --> 00:59:04,169
My daughter's name
is Maya Giovanni
1116
00:59:04,252 --> 00:59:05,962
after you.
1117
00:59:07,172 --> 00:59:09,841
- Thank you so much.
- It's my pleasure.
1118
00:59:09,883 --> 00:59:11,152
Ms. Giovanni,
I just wanna say
1119
00:59:11,176 --> 00:59:13,056
- it's an honor meeting you.
- It's my pleasure.
1120
00:59:13,136 --> 00:59:15,680
I'm a poet myself. You're
an inspiration to me.
1121
00:59:15,722 --> 00:59:17,265
I saw you, like,
on Def Jam Poetry.
1122
00:59:17,349 --> 00:59:20,518
Now, I'm saying this,
and I have to get my phone out.
1123
00:59:20,602 --> 00:59:22,228
Thank you so much.
1124
00:59:22,312 --> 00:59:25,690
I just wanna let you know
that your unapologetic spirit
1125
00:59:25,774 --> 00:59:28,276
is what inspired
me to do my PhD.
1126
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,904
Aw, thank you so much.
1127
00:59:30,987 --> 00:59:33,740
I've been following
you a long time. I love you.
1128
00:59:33,823 --> 00:59:36,201
Well, thank you.
1129
00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:52,717
"I used
to dream militant dreams
1130
00:59:52,801 --> 00:59:55,220
of taking over America
1131
00:59:55,261 --> 00:59:57,389
to show these White folks
how it should be done.
1132
00:59:57,430 --> 01:00:01,518
I used to dream radical dreams
of blowing everyone away
1133
01:00:01,601 --> 01:00:05,105
with my perceptive powers
of correct analysis.
1134
01:00:05,188 --> 01:00:09,401
I even used to think I'd
be the one to stop the riot
1135
01:00:09,484 --> 01:00:11,319
and negotiate the peace."
1136
01:00:19,869 --> 01:00:21,705
In the evolution
of your career,
1137
01:00:21,746 --> 01:00:23,289
there's an irony
that as you became
1138
01:00:23,373 --> 01:00:26,376
more radicalized, you
work became more popular.
1139
01:00:26,418 --> 01:00:29,546
- Do you agree?
- No.
1140
01:00:29,587 --> 01:00:31,631
There
is some really strong
1141
01:00:31,715 --> 01:00:34,134
revolutionary poetry
such as, "Can You Kill."
1142
01:00:34,217 --> 01:00:36,094
- What has changed?
- I've gotten older.
1143
01:00:36,136 --> 01:00:37,905
- Have you?
- Sure.
1144
01:00:37,929 --> 01:00:39,198
- You...
- Haven't we all?
1145
01:00:39,222 --> 01:00:40,741
You see, you
have a poem that begins
1146
01:00:40,765 --> 01:00:42,308
"I used to dream
militant dreams."
1147
01:00:42,392 --> 01:00:43,494
Yeah, "of taking over."
1148
01:00:43,518 --> 01:00:44,978
But
you don't anymore?
1149
01:00:45,061 --> 01:00:46,354
The poem ends though,
1150
01:00:46,438 --> 01:00:49,357
"I awoke, and that if I
dream natural dreams..."
1151
01:00:49,441 --> 01:00:51,776
of being a natural woman,
1152
01:00:51,818 --> 01:00:54,988
doing what a woman does
when she is natural,
1153
01:00:55,071 --> 01:00:59,117
I would have a revolution."
1154
01:01:14,132 --> 01:01:16,402
There are people
who express some disappointment
1155
01:01:16,426 --> 01:01:18,345
that you've changed. How
do you react to that?
1156
01:01:18,428 --> 01:01:19,346
I'm real sorry,
1157
01:01:19,429 --> 01:01:21,598
but I think that my
responsibility in my life
1158
01:01:21,639 --> 01:01:22,891
is to grow.
1159
01:01:41,034 --> 01:01:42,470
In Washington today,
1160
01:01:42,494 --> 01:01:44,894
Jesse Jackson joined the list
of prominent Americans arrested
1161
01:01:44,954 --> 01:01:46,956
in anti-apartheid protests.
1162
01:01:48,541 --> 01:01:50,877
Harry Belafonte,
Senator Lowell Weicker,
1163
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,837
and Gloria Steinem have
something in common.
1164
01:01:52,879 --> 01:01:54,881
They are but a few of
the hundreds of Americans
1165
01:01:54,964 --> 01:01:56,841
who have been arrested
for demonstrating
1166
01:01:56,883 --> 01:01:58,343
against South African apartheid.
1167
01:02:00,970 --> 01:02:04,224
Nikki Giovanni
is strongly opposed to apartheid
1168
01:02:04,307 --> 01:02:07,018
but scornful of
the demonstrations.
1169
01:02:07,060 --> 01:02:09,979
I think it's really cheap
that you go over there at 4:15.
1170
01:02:10,021 --> 01:02:11,856
You're arrested by
quarter to five.
1171
01:02:11,898 --> 01:02:13,817
You're taken down to
the police station.
1172
01:02:13,858 --> 01:02:15,860
You're booked maybe 5:30.
1173
01:02:15,902 --> 01:02:18,196
You're home in time
for The Joker's Wild.
1174
01:02:18,238 --> 01:02:20,490
You haven't even missed
your favorite TV show.
1175
01:02:21,991 --> 01:02:24,911
Our protests
and the protests of so many
1176
01:02:24,994 --> 01:02:27,163
that represents the leadership
voice in this country
1177
01:02:27,205 --> 01:02:29,708
and who have come down to
Washington to demonstrate,
1178
01:02:29,749 --> 01:02:31,209
to lend themselves
to being arrested.
1179
01:02:31,292 --> 01:02:34,379
I've done a lot to bring Africa,
South Africa particularly,
1180
01:02:34,421 --> 01:02:36,548
to the consciousness
to the American people.
1181
01:02:37,882 --> 01:02:41,011
This is a movement
right now at the top.
1182
01:02:41,052 --> 01:02:43,430
There is no bottom
movement at all.
1183
01:02:43,513 --> 01:02:44,931
This is all head, no body.
1184
01:02:45,015 --> 01:02:47,100
You've got traditional
Black leadership group,
1185
01:02:47,183 --> 01:02:50,103
you've got celebrity-type names.
1186
01:03:04,284 --> 01:03:06,161
I just don't see no
little old church ladies,
1187
01:03:06,244 --> 01:03:07,746
I don't see the
buses rolling up.
1188
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:10,540
I don't see the
community organizing.
1189
01:04:02,175 --> 01:04:05,011
"Maybe you
are crushed against the wall.
1190
01:04:05,804 --> 01:04:07,555
But still I do know this.
1191
01:04:08,807 --> 01:04:10,934
You have to know who you are.
1192
01:04:11,810 --> 01:04:13,603
And you can't give up on that.
1193
01:04:17,023 --> 01:04:20,318
Or you will become what
you don't want to be."
1194
01:04:28,368 --> 01:04:30,912
My father was
a fool, by the way.
1195
01:04:30,995 --> 01:04:33,331
Which... He was.
1196
01:04:33,373 --> 01:04:36,334
Another reason that I know
I'm not going to heaven.
1197
01:04:37,293 --> 01:04:39,004
And I'm gonna end
up in hell with Gus,
1198
01:04:39,087 --> 01:04:40,272
'cause we have some
things to discuss.
1199
01:04:43,216 --> 01:04:46,094
But one day the phone
rang and it was Mommy.
1200
01:04:46,177 --> 01:04:49,597
And she said, "You know, Nikki.
Your father's in a hospital."
1201
01:04:49,681 --> 01:04:52,517
And I knew that the next thing
I had to do was to be home.
1202
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:55,020
So I bought Mommy a house.
I said we're moving.
1203
01:04:55,061 --> 01:04:57,647
And so we moved, and
now we're in my house.
1204
01:04:57,689 --> 01:04:59,607
So Gus and I were
having an argument.
1205
01:04:59,649 --> 01:05:01,026
He got upset and
he's gonna get up
1206
01:05:01,067 --> 01:05:02,527
and I said, "Gus,
1207
01:05:02,610 --> 01:05:05,864
the floor that you're
gettin' up on is my floor.
1208
01:05:05,905 --> 01:05:09,075
The chair you're
leaning on is my chair."
1209
01:05:09,159 --> 01:05:11,012
And so, now he's gettin'
ready to go to his bedroom
1210
01:05:11,036 --> 01:05:12,287
'cause he's angry with me.
1211
01:05:12,370 --> 01:05:16,499
And I said, "The bedroom
you're going in is my bedroom.
1212
01:05:16,541 --> 01:05:20,670
The mattress you're gonna
stretch out on is my mattress."
1213
01:05:20,712 --> 01:05:22,547
So now we have a conversation.
1214
01:05:22,589 --> 01:05:24,591
And I said, "Lemme tell
you what's gonna happen
1215
01:05:24,674 --> 01:05:26,051
for the rest of your life.
1216
01:05:26,092 --> 01:05:28,720
You're gonna wake
up in the morning
1217
01:05:28,803 --> 01:05:30,197
and you're gonna
smile at this woman
1218
01:05:30,221 --> 01:05:32,057
who put up with you
all of these years,
1219
01:05:32,098 --> 01:05:34,059
and you're gonna tell
her how happy you were
1220
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:35,769
that she put up with you,
1221
01:05:35,852 --> 01:05:36,936
how much you love her
1222
01:05:37,020 --> 01:05:38,300
and all that she's
done for you."
1223
01:05:38,355 --> 01:05:40,190
I said, "Do you understand me?
1224
01:05:40,231 --> 01:05:43,068
You will smile and tell
your wife every morning
1225
01:05:43,151 --> 01:05:45,403
you love her. Should
you fail to do that,
1226
01:05:45,487 --> 01:05:48,073
I'm gonna have you put
away. Do you understand me?"
1227
01:05:48,114 --> 01:05:50,575
So...
1228
01:05:50,617 --> 01:05:52,911
He knew I would too.
1229
01:05:52,994 --> 01:05:54,513
Ultimately, though,
of course, he died.
1230
01:05:54,537 --> 01:05:56,331
And when he did, you
knew he was gonna die.
1231
01:05:56,414 --> 01:05:58,083
So when he died, you
know, we buried him.
1232
01:05:58,124 --> 01:06:00,585
And I was talking to...
1233
01:06:00,627 --> 01:06:02,307
Well, I could've thrown
him in the backyard
1234
01:06:02,337 --> 01:06:03,713
and let the dogs eat him, but...
1235
01:06:21,606 --> 01:06:23,942
"Sometimes we share a poem
1236
01:06:24,025 --> 01:06:26,903
because people are near,
1237
01:06:26,945 --> 01:06:30,198
and they would notice
me noticing you.
1238
01:06:30,281 --> 01:06:34,744
So I write X and you
write O and we both win.
1239
01:06:36,162 --> 01:06:42,162
But always we share a poem
because belief predates action.
1240
01:06:42,419 --> 01:06:46,506
And I believe the most
beautiful poem ever heard
1241
01:06:47,424 --> 01:06:49,050
is your heart...
1242
01:06:49,759 --> 01:06:51,094
racing."
1243
01:06:59,978 --> 01:07:01,146
I recruited Nikki
1244
01:07:01,187 --> 01:07:03,356
to this position here at Tech.
1245
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,442
We had a program and I thought
1246
01:07:06,192 --> 01:07:08,611
she would be great
with students.
1247
01:07:08,653 --> 01:07:11,156
So we put together
a nomination package
1248
01:07:11,239 --> 01:07:13,950
and surprise,
surprise, she accepted
1249
01:07:13,992 --> 01:07:16,494
and came here in '87.
1250
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,122
I became interested
1251
01:07:19,164 --> 01:07:22,500
in the academic
opposition to Nikki.
1252
01:07:22,584 --> 01:07:24,502
They didn't wanna
give her tenure.
1253
01:07:24,586 --> 01:07:26,087
Part of what they
had against her
1254
01:07:26,171 --> 01:07:28,423
is that she was a popular poet.
1255
01:07:29,007 --> 01:07:31,176
And popularity doesn't...
1256
01:07:31,259 --> 01:07:33,678
usually sit well with academics.
1257
01:07:34,971 --> 01:07:36,890
"Spring gave
away to these hot days,
1258
01:07:36,973 --> 01:07:38,808
before they fell into
the school bell ringing
1259
01:07:38,850 --> 01:07:40,268
and snowflakes falling.
1260
01:07:40,352 --> 01:07:43,772
I'm sure they'd cash today
in to be those girls again,
1261
01:07:43,855 --> 01:07:45,190
to drive a Power Wheel outside
1262
01:07:45,273 --> 01:07:47,192
and be home when the
streetlight came on."
1263
01:07:48,234 --> 01:07:49,819
I think it's one of
your best pieces.
1264
01:07:49,861 --> 01:07:51,696
Thank you. I wrote
it on the Megabus
1265
01:07:51,738 --> 01:07:53,031
back home to see my family.
1266
01:07:54,908 --> 01:07:56,201
And buses are to be recom...
1267
01:07:56,242 --> 01:07:58,536
I really... Don't you think
it's one of her best pieces?
1268
01:07:59,996 --> 01:08:01,289
I think that we as writers,
1269
01:08:01,373 --> 01:08:04,334
as we are sharing the
things that are essential,
1270
01:08:04,376 --> 01:08:07,337
that are important to us,
that are important to our...
1271
01:08:07,379 --> 01:08:10,757
to our hearts, that
we want to share,
1272
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:12,092
then we share that.
1273
01:08:12,175 --> 01:08:14,552
And if somebody learns
something from it, we're happy.
1274
01:08:14,636 --> 01:08:16,388
And somebody comes
up to us, you know,
1275
01:08:16,429 --> 01:08:18,765
in 20 years and says,
"Oh, I read your poem,
1276
01:08:18,848 --> 01:08:21,475
you know, when I was 17,
and it meant so much to me."
1277
01:08:22,102 --> 01:08:23,645
You couldn't be happier.
1278
01:08:23,728 --> 01:08:27,148
But you didn't write that
poem to instruct them.
1279
01:08:27,232 --> 01:08:29,274
You wrote that poem...
1280
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:32,569
because you had something on
your mind or on your heart
1281
01:08:32,612 --> 01:08:34,029
and you shared it.
1282
01:08:34,072 --> 01:08:36,366
So it's not that
we use our talent
1283
01:08:36,408 --> 01:08:38,076
to tell people what to do,
1284
01:08:38,158 --> 01:08:40,662
it's that we use our
vulnerability to share...
1285
01:08:41,621 --> 01:08:43,915
the love in our hearts,
don't you think?
1286
01:08:45,082 --> 01:08:47,419
I really do. I really do.
1287
01:08:56,803 --> 01:09:00,348
I know that you can
be with a lot of people.
1288
01:09:00,432 --> 01:09:02,934
And there's still,
there's just part of you
1289
01:09:02,975 --> 01:09:05,437
that belongs to you.
1290
01:09:07,022 --> 01:09:08,857
Especially artists.
1291
01:09:10,066 --> 01:09:12,694
Because this is how
you get your art done.
1292
01:09:14,069 --> 01:09:15,613
This is the price you pay.
1293
01:09:18,283 --> 01:09:19,951
I'm fortunate
because I'm a poet,
1294
01:09:20,035 --> 01:09:21,618
and poets are allowed
to be hopeful.
1295
01:09:21,703 --> 01:09:23,580
We are allowed to speak
to the human condition
1296
01:09:23,621 --> 01:09:26,291
and we're allowed
to remind people
1297
01:09:26,374 --> 01:09:28,667
that the only
worthwhile endeavor
1298
01:09:28,752 --> 01:09:30,211
is another human being.
1299
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:36,426
And we have the ability
to contemplate the future
1300
01:09:36,468 --> 01:09:38,511
and to look back into the past.
1301
01:09:39,386 --> 01:09:41,055
Somebody has to
think the thought
1302
01:09:41,139 --> 01:09:42,515
that has not yet been thought.
1303
01:09:45,852 --> 01:09:47,395
You have children
1304
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:51,107
basically so that you can start
somebody off where you finished.
1305
01:09:51,149 --> 01:09:52,500
- You see what I'm saying?
- Yes.
1306
01:09:52,524 --> 01:09:53,919
So whether it's our
literary children,
1307
01:09:53,943 --> 01:09:56,154
or our physical children,
or our emotional children,
1308
01:09:56,237 --> 01:09:57,557
I want somebody
to be able to say,
1309
01:09:57,614 --> 01:09:59,115
"Okay now, since
Nikki learned that,
1310
01:09:59,157 --> 01:10:00,158
I can go forward."
1311
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,202
Not to have to
repeat what I did.
1312
01:10:02,285 --> 01:10:03,328
There's no point in me
1313
01:10:03,370 --> 01:10:04,662
having trod the path that I trod
1314
01:10:04,746 --> 01:10:06,998
if nobody else is gonna
be able to go further.
1315
01:10:17,801 --> 01:10:19,469
Lately, I've
been trying to think
1316
01:10:19,511 --> 01:10:21,763
I wonder what kind of
slave I would have been.
1317
01:10:24,391 --> 01:10:26,434
Or those of us who are
White, don't you wonder,
1318
01:10:26,518 --> 01:10:28,937
"What kind of slave
owner would I have been?
1319
01:10:29,020 --> 01:10:30,355
Don't you?
1320
01:10:31,272 --> 01:10:33,608
You too are a part
of segregation.
1321
01:10:33,692 --> 01:10:35,694
You too are a part of slavery.
1322
01:10:35,735 --> 01:10:37,570
And we wanna know...
1323
01:10:37,654 --> 01:10:40,323
what were you thinking?
What were you hoping?
1324
01:10:40,365 --> 01:10:42,742
Because it's not fair
to act like slavery
1325
01:10:42,826 --> 01:10:45,161
and Blackness is just us.
1326
01:10:45,203 --> 01:10:46,996
It's you too.
1327
01:10:47,038 --> 01:10:48,915
Some of it might
be embarrassing.
1328
01:10:48,998 --> 01:10:51,835
But you have a story to
tell because it's a part
1329
01:10:51,876 --> 01:10:54,087
of the American story.
1330
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,764
I'm 75, which I
highly recommend.
1331
01:11:07,058 --> 01:11:08,560
And I've been having
trouble hearing.
1332
01:11:08,601 --> 01:11:10,395
But I'm so proud
of my hearing aid.
1333
01:11:10,437 --> 01:11:13,148
So for any of you who
have trouble hearing,
1334
01:11:13,231 --> 01:11:14,899
I'm gonna recommend
a hearing aid.
1335
01:11:16,067 --> 01:11:17,378
It's not
all that expensive.
1336
01:11:17,402 --> 01:11:19,237
And it's amazing because
1337
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,032
if you're hearing goes
bad, you know what happens?
1338
01:11:22,073 --> 01:11:23,908
You end up with dementia,
1339
01:11:23,950 --> 01:11:27,245
because a part of your
brain goes to sleep.
1340
01:11:27,287 --> 01:11:28,413
And you can't, you know...
1341
01:11:28,455 --> 01:11:29,890
And then you become
unpleasant to be around.
1342
01:11:29,914 --> 01:11:31,976
'Cause they're like, "Oh, I
don't like to be around Grandpa,
1343
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,227
because he keeps saying 'What?'"
1344
01:11:33,251 --> 01:11:34,878
Well, a little hearing aid.
1345
01:11:34,919 --> 01:11:36,338
See?
1346
01:11:36,421 --> 01:11:38,798
It looks great, doesn't it?
1347
01:11:38,882 --> 01:11:41,926
It does. And so I'm always
either adding things.
1348
01:11:41,968 --> 01:11:42,761
I had breast cancer
1349
01:11:42,844 --> 01:11:44,929
and my doctor, my
surgeon actually,
1350
01:11:44,971 --> 01:11:47,557
she said, "Well, we can take
it out and you can have..."
1351
01:11:47,599 --> 01:11:49,768
you know, what is that thing,
chemotherapy and stuff...
1352
01:11:49,851 --> 01:11:51,478
"Or I can just
take the tit out."
1353
01:11:51,561 --> 01:11:54,439
Well, I was 74 years old. What
else am I gonna do with it?
1354
01:11:57,108 --> 01:11:58,693
I've had it for ye...
1355
01:11:58,777 --> 01:12:00,528
It has done all
that it's gonna do.
1356
01:12:00,612 --> 01:12:02,238
So...
1357
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:03,656
It was like, "Yeah, take it off,
1358
01:12:03,740 --> 01:12:05,116
you know, let's
get rid of that."
1359
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:06,326
So the tit's gone.
1360
01:12:06,409 --> 01:12:08,953
So I took a tit off and
I added an ear. So...
1361
01:12:13,667 --> 01:12:17,629
There had to be some kind
of balance going on there.
1362
01:12:33,728 --> 01:12:35,355
"I always
liked house cleaning.
1363
01:12:35,438 --> 01:12:37,857
Even as a child, I dug
straightening the cabinets,
1364
01:12:37,941 --> 01:12:39,651
putting new paper
on the shelves,
1365
01:12:39,693 --> 01:12:42,320
washing the
refrigerator inside out,
1366
01:12:42,362 --> 01:12:43,655
and unfortunately,
1367
01:12:43,738 --> 01:12:45,949
this habit has
carried over to you.
1368
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:49,119
And I find I must remove
you from my life."
1369
01:12:54,916 --> 01:12:56,501
"A fool who grins
1370
01:12:56,584 --> 01:13:00,672
at a face in the mirror and
tells herself it's pretty.
1371
01:13:00,714 --> 01:13:04,676
A sentimental woman
who pressed his shirts
1372
01:13:04,759 --> 01:13:07,470
and washed his dirty underwear,
1373
01:13:07,512 --> 01:13:11,599
who rubbed his back
with alcohol at night.
1374
01:13:11,683 --> 01:13:16,438
I wonder why my insides don't
match my outside anymore,
1375
01:13:17,355 --> 01:13:19,149
mumbling to the mirror...
1376
01:13:20,442 --> 01:13:22,027
turn off that light."
1377
01:13:31,411 --> 01:13:32,871
A sight for sore eyes.
1378
01:13:32,954 --> 01:13:36,249
- Both of you.
- You're looking good.
1379
01:13:36,332 --> 01:13:37,542
Y'all didn't have to do that.
1380
01:13:37,625 --> 01:13:39,878
- Thank you so much.
- Oh, you're welcome.
1381
01:13:39,919 --> 01:13:41,504
Oh, that's
great, Novella.
1382
01:13:41,546 --> 01:13:43,548
Yeah, I love it too.
1383
01:13:43,631 --> 01:13:45,550
Oh, there they are.
1384
01:13:45,633 --> 01:13:48,219
What happened to me? What's
the word I'm looking for?
1385
01:13:48,261 --> 01:13:49,471
What do you mean?
1386
01:13:49,554 --> 01:13:51,681
When I went out and suddenly
I don't know where I am,
1387
01:13:51,723 --> 01:13:53,975
- and they int...
- Intubate you?
1388
01:13:54,017 --> 01:13:54,893
Yeah, what's that?
1389
01:13:54,934 --> 01:13:56,436
Yeah, that's from
respiratory failure.
1390
01:13:56,519 --> 01:13:57,896
You're not getting
enough oxygen.
1391
01:13:57,937 --> 01:13:59,981
You blackout
when you don't...
1392
01:14:00,065 --> 01:14:01,066
I blackout, exactly!
1393
01:14:01,107 --> 01:14:03,777
That's happened to me
about four or five times.
1394
01:14:03,860 --> 01:14:05,987
- Mm-hmm.
- And, um...
1395
01:14:07,405 --> 01:14:10,742
And like you, then when
I... when I wake up,
1396
01:14:10,784 --> 01:14:14,412
a part of who I am, I forget.
1397
01:14:14,454 --> 01:14:16,456
And then all of a
sudden I'll remember it.
1398
01:14:16,539 --> 01:14:18,917
But it comes, it
shoots out in...
1399
01:14:18,958 --> 01:14:20,728
- Right.
- Do you know what I am saying?
1400
01:14:20,752 --> 01:14:22,879
- I do.
- I know you do.
1401
01:14:22,921 --> 01:14:25,173
You know?
1402
01:14:25,256 --> 01:14:27,656
Sorry, I'm just gonna
do the orange juice, coffee,
1403
01:14:27,717 --> 01:14:29,469
- tea, champagne.
- Champagne.
1404
01:14:29,552 --> 01:14:30,613
Straight
to the champagne?
1405
01:14:30,637 --> 01:14:31,846
- Yes.
- Yeah, champagne.
1406
01:14:31,930 --> 01:14:33,783
- Okay, all right.
- I get a glass a day.
1407
01:14:33,807 --> 01:14:36,184
Okay, there's
also mineral water there.
1408
01:14:37,644 --> 01:14:40,105
My most favorite
cousin passed away.
1409
01:14:40,188 --> 01:14:41,690
- Aw.
- And...
1410
01:14:41,773 --> 01:14:44,317
I had spoken to
her the day before,
1411
01:14:44,401 --> 01:14:46,653
and she had said to
come and get her,
1412
01:14:47,529 --> 01:14:48,822
and I couldn't.
1413
01:14:49,656 --> 01:14:51,783
Then we talked, I
calmed her down.
1414
01:14:51,866 --> 01:14:54,285
And the next day, her daughter
calls me up and tells me
1415
01:14:54,369 --> 01:14:55,787
she was dead. You
know, it was...
1416
01:14:55,829 --> 01:14:57,706
I think you reached
out to your cousin.
1417
01:14:57,789 --> 01:15:00,458
- I mean, she got from you...
- What she needed.
1418
01:15:00,500 --> 01:15:02,502
What she needed, so
that she could relax,
1419
01:15:02,585 --> 01:15:04,879
and so she could
go to her next...
1420
01:15:04,963 --> 01:15:06,214
her next step.
1421
01:15:06,297 --> 01:15:07,799
Mm-hmm.
1422
01:15:08,591 --> 01:15:10,135
I hadn't thought
about it like that.
1423
01:15:10,218 --> 01:15:11,219
That really helped.
1424
01:15:11,302 --> 01:15:13,555
- Yeah, thank you too.
- Thank you for that one.
1425
01:15:13,638 --> 01:15:15,932
'Cause it really, uh...
1426
01:15:15,974 --> 01:15:19,269
- Ooh!
- Mm-hmm.
1427
01:15:21,980 --> 01:15:23,340
These
rings are beautiful.
1428
01:15:23,398 --> 01:15:24,959
- Oh, you like these?
- These are beautiful.
1429
01:15:24,983 --> 01:15:26,335
- Thank you.
- Yeah, yeah.
1430
01:15:26,359 --> 01:15:28,087
- I noticed them. Beautiful.
- You wanna look at it
1431
01:15:28,111 --> 01:15:29,630
- up-close and personal?
- Oh, thank you!
1432
01:15:29,654 --> 01:15:30,947
Oh, God!
1433
01:15:30,989 --> 01:15:32,824
- Yeah.
- Have to put it on.
1434
01:15:33,158 --> 01:15:34,659
Really nice.
1435
01:15:34,743 --> 01:15:35,952
Ginney designed it.
1436
01:15:35,994 --> 01:15:38,496
- You did?
- Well, not really.
1437
01:15:38,580 --> 01:15:39,740
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
1438
01:15:39,789 --> 01:15:41,166
Really lovely.
1439
01:15:42,250 --> 01:15:45,211
- Nice weight to it too.
- It does, yeah.
1440
01:15:45,295 --> 01:15:46,921
Very nice.
1441
01:15:54,262 --> 01:15:55,305
Bye-bye.
1442
01:16:14,699 --> 01:16:17,744
- ♪ Let's go higher ♪
- ♪ Let's go higher ♪
1443
01:16:17,827 --> 01:16:20,121
- ♪ Higher ♪
- ♪ Higher ♪
1444
01:16:20,205 --> 01:16:22,874
- ♪ Let's go higher ♪
- ♪ Let's go higher ♪
1445
01:16:22,916 --> 01:16:27,587
- ♪ Higher in my Lord ♪
- ♪ Let's go higher ♪
1446
01:16:27,671 --> 01:16:30,298
- ♪ Let's go higher ♪
- ♪ Higher ♪
1447
01:16:30,382 --> 01:16:31,716
♪ Higher ♪
1448
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,052
- ♪ Higher ♪
- ♪ Let's go higher ♪
1449
01:16:34,094 --> 01:16:37,097
- ♪ Higher ♪
- ♪ Higher... ♪
1450
01:16:37,180 --> 01:16:39,641
It's hard to
figure out Black people.
1451
01:16:39,724 --> 01:16:40,975
And that's a...
1452
01:16:41,059 --> 01:16:43,520
No, really, I mean, you
know... you know 'cause you...
1453
01:16:43,561 --> 01:16:44,830
- I know.
- It's very hard.
1454
01:16:44,854 --> 01:16:46,791
Because you say, um...
Let's say somebody like you.
1455
01:16:46,815 --> 01:16:48,983
You've been out of the
church for a long time, okay?
1456
01:16:49,067 --> 01:16:51,236
I grew up, of course,
in a Baptist church,
1457
01:16:51,319 --> 01:16:52,338
and I really dig the church.
1458
01:16:52,362 --> 01:16:54,322
- I think it's a very cool...
- I do too.
1459
01:16:54,406 --> 01:16:56,157
I can't dig the theology,
1460
01:16:56,241 --> 01:16:58,618
but the music and the
energies of the church.
1461
01:16:58,702 --> 01:17:00,578
- Yes.
- But then I went to, um...
1462
01:17:00,620 --> 01:17:01,871
The New York Community Choir
1463
01:17:01,913 --> 01:17:04,749
had its anniversary recently,
it's first anniversary,
1464
01:17:04,791 --> 01:17:07,127
and I went up to
an AME Zion church,
1465
01:17:07,210 --> 01:17:09,921
as a matter of fact. And
the lady was singing...
1466
01:17:09,963 --> 01:17:11,840
Some lady was singing
"Yes, Jesus Loves Me."
1467
01:17:11,923 --> 01:17:13,091
And people started shouting.
1468
01:17:13,133 --> 01:17:14,568
- You know what I mean, just...
- Yeah, yeah.
1469
01:17:14,592 --> 01:17:15,695
People were shouting.
1470
01:17:15,719 --> 01:17:17,113
And it hit me as I
was sitting there.
1471
01:17:17,137 --> 01:17:19,806
My God, as a so-called
Black militant,
1472
01:17:19,889 --> 01:17:23,184
I have nothing stronger
to offer than Jesus.
1473
01:17:23,268 --> 01:17:25,937
Yeah, but you see...
Yeah, but, yeah... but, baby...
1474
01:17:26,021 --> 01:17:27,248
And that
was a... It blew...
1475
01:17:27,272 --> 01:17:28,916
As a matter of fact, I
got up in church and said,
1476
01:17:28,940 --> 01:17:30,084
"Ain't that a bitch."
1477
01:17:30,108 --> 01:17:32,110
And suddenly
I was testifying...
1478
01:17:32,193 --> 01:17:35,780
- It blew my mind!
- Baby, what we did with Jesus
1479
01:17:35,822 --> 01:17:38,116
was not supposed to happen.
1480
01:17:38,158 --> 01:17:40,410
- You know, at all.
- I could believe that.
1481
01:17:40,452 --> 01:17:42,495
We took him... We
took that cat over.
1482
01:17:42,579 --> 01:17:44,019
- We did.
- And made him ours.
1483
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,125
It has nothing whatever to
do with that White Jesus
1484
01:17:47,167 --> 01:17:49,919
in Montgomery, Alabama,
in that White church.
1485
01:17:49,961 --> 01:17:52,130
We did something else with
him. We made him ours.
1486
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,026
Juanita,
how are you doing?
1487
01:17:55,050 --> 01:17:56,235
I'm doing
fine, and you?
1488
01:17:56,259 --> 01:17:57,844
I'm doing good.
1489
01:18:00,513 --> 01:18:03,034
- Hello?
- Good morning, Jo, it's Nikki.
1490
01:18:03,058 --> 01:18:04,476
This is Nell. How are you?
1491
01:18:04,517 --> 01:18:05,769
Hi, Nell.
1492
01:18:05,810 --> 01:18:07,788
- How's everything?
- Oh, everything's not good.
1493
01:18:07,812 --> 01:18:10,982
I wanted to tell Joe that
Agnes passed this morning.
1494
01:18:11,066 --> 01:18:12,859
- No!
- Yeah, yeah.
1495
01:18:12,942 --> 01:18:14,944
- How old was she?
- Uh, 94...
1496
01:18:14,986 --> 01:18:16,696
Yeah, she just turned 94.
1497
01:18:16,780 --> 01:18:18,531
- Yeah, yeah.
- Oh, man!
1498
01:18:18,615 --> 01:18:19,967
Now, wait a minute.
She was your aunt?
1499
01:18:19,991 --> 01:18:21,469
- From your mom?
- She was my aunt.
1500
01:18:21,493 --> 01:18:23,703
The last of the girls. Uh-huh.
1501
01:18:23,787 --> 01:18:26,122
- Oh, my God!
- Yeah.
1502
01:18:27,832 --> 01:18:30,126
You know all of a
sudden, that's what...
1503
01:18:30,168 --> 01:18:31,979
- Excuse me.
- Bothered me a little bit.
1504
01:18:32,003 --> 01:18:35,006
I mean, it's that I am the
oldest in the family now.
1505
01:18:36,383 --> 01:18:39,052
You know all of a sudden
I became a senior.
1506
01:18:40,679 --> 01:18:42,847
Not that it means
anything, but, you know,
1507
01:18:42,931 --> 01:18:43,949
all of a sudden you realize
1508
01:18:43,973 --> 01:18:46,017
you're the oldest
person in the family.
1509
01:18:52,107 --> 01:18:54,359
♪ I've been
through the fire ♪
1510
01:18:56,277 --> 01:18:59,030
♪ And I have been
Through the flood ♪
1511
01:19:01,574 --> 01:19:03,785
♪ Broken in pieces ♪
1512
01:19:05,620 --> 01:19:08,373
♪ And left all alone ♪
1513
01:19:10,458 --> 01:19:13,962
♪ But through
it all God bless me ♪
1514
01:19:14,045 --> 01:19:15,765
♪ And through
it all God kept me ♪
1515
01:19:15,797 --> 01:19:18,425
♪ And through
it all God kept me ♪
1516
01:19:18,508 --> 01:19:20,385
♪ Yes, I still ♪
1517
01:19:20,468 --> 01:19:25,724
♪ Have a praise inside of me ♪
1518
01:19:29,853 --> 01:19:32,105
Please stand for
reading of the gospel.
1519
01:19:33,565 --> 01:19:36,568
It isn't often that someone
will die for a righteous person.
1520
01:19:36,651 --> 01:19:40,071
But maybe someone might dare
to die for a good person.
1521
01:19:40,155 --> 01:19:42,383
But
God shows his love for us because,
1522
01:19:42,407 --> 01:19:45,744
while we were still
sinners, Christ died for us.
1523
01:19:45,827 --> 01:19:48,913
So now that we have been
made righteous by His blood
1524
01:19:48,955 --> 01:19:51,041
- we can...
- Thomas, I'm in church.
1525
01:19:51,082 --> 01:19:52,476
- Okay.
- But...
1526
01:19:52,500 --> 01:19:54,312
- Call me when you get back.
- No, no, Agnes died.
1527
01:19:54,336 --> 01:19:56,087
I wanted you to know.
I'll call you later.
1528
01:19:56,171 --> 01:19:58,131
- Oh, okay.
- Okay, bye-bye.
1529
01:19:58,214 --> 01:20:00,759
While we
were still enemies.
1530
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,261
Now that we have
been reconciled,
1531
01:20:03,345 --> 01:20:06,014
we now have a restored
relationship with God.
1532
01:20:06,097 --> 01:20:08,099
- Amen.
- Amen.
1533
01:20:10,935 --> 01:20:12,937
Let us welcome
Nikki Giovanni.
1534
01:20:21,363 --> 01:20:24,616
I want to apologize
for my phone ringing.
1535
01:20:24,657 --> 01:20:29,621
My aunt died this morning
and I had to start calls.
1536
01:20:30,330 --> 01:20:31,956
We're trying to...
1537
01:20:32,957 --> 01:20:34,292
deal what you have to deal with
1538
01:20:34,334 --> 01:20:36,503
when you have a
death in the family.
1539
01:20:36,586 --> 01:20:38,963
I'm now trying to understand
1540
01:20:39,047 --> 01:20:41,257
what my responsibilities are
1541
01:20:41,299 --> 01:20:43,301
and, you know, some
of us in this room
1542
01:20:43,343 --> 01:20:45,929
have probably faced
that and you're saying,
1543
01:20:45,970 --> 01:20:49,933
"What now... do I do?"
1544
01:20:49,974 --> 01:20:52,435
It's important that
you all look ahead,
1545
01:20:52,477 --> 01:20:56,481
because Earth is just about
finished, to be honest.
1546
01:20:56,564 --> 01:20:57,482
I think Earth maybe have,
1547
01:20:57,524 --> 01:20:59,168
you know, three or four
hundred more years,
1548
01:20:59,192 --> 01:21:01,945
but it's just about finished
because we've messed it up.
1549
01:21:01,986 --> 01:21:03,488
And I tease the
men all the time,
1550
01:21:03,571 --> 01:21:04,489
and I have to laugh at it.
1551
01:21:04,572 --> 01:21:06,332
'Cause I think that
their penis is going out.
1552
01:21:06,366 --> 01:21:08,159
I think it's gonna
be extinct very soon.
1553
01:21:10,787 --> 01:21:12,038
I do.
1554
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:16,918
It's been misused.
1555
01:21:17,002 --> 01:21:19,462
And anything that
has been misused
1556
01:21:19,504 --> 01:21:20,839
is gonna be gotten rid of.
1557
01:21:20,922 --> 01:21:23,008
That we... that we know.
1558
01:21:23,842 --> 01:21:25,093
We who are women,
1559
01:21:25,176 --> 01:21:26,845
and I have to say
this, we who are women
1560
01:21:26,928 --> 01:21:28,054
have a difficult time,
1561
01:21:28,138 --> 01:21:30,181
because everybody
wants to control us,
1562
01:21:30,265 --> 01:21:32,809
everybody wants to say
what women should do.
1563
01:21:32,892 --> 01:21:36,438
What you should do is what
you think you should do,
1564
01:21:36,521 --> 01:21:38,148
what you need to do.
1565
01:21:38,189 --> 01:21:41,317
And so, we have
to not let people
1566
01:21:41,359 --> 01:21:43,945
take away those
things that we need,
1567
01:21:44,029 --> 01:21:45,321
those things that we love.
1568
01:21:45,363 --> 01:21:47,657
I am very fortunate, I
have a very good friend,
1569
01:21:47,699 --> 01:21:49,075
and I would be lost without her.
1570
01:21:49,159 --> 01:21:50,553
I don't know, what
I'd do without Ginney.
1571
01:21:50,577 --> 01:21:53,997
So, I'm very fortunate to
have somebody who loves me.
1572
01:21:54,039 --> 01:21:56,374
I don't care what anybody
has to say about it.
1573
01:21:56,458 --> 01:21:57,542
I'm not interested.
1574
01:21:57,584 --> 01:22:02,547
And what we have to continue
to do is love one another.
1575
01:22:02,589 --> 01:22:05,216
"This is not a poem.
1576
01:22:05,300 --> 01:22:08,136
This is hot chocolate at
the beginning of spring,
1577
01:22:08,219 --> 01:22:10,221
topped with hand-whipped
double cream,
1578
01:22:10,305 --> 01:22:12,307
a splash of brandy
to give it sass,
1579
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:14,976
and just a little
cinnamon to give it class.
1580
01:22:15,060 --> 01:22:17,479
This is not a poem,
this is a summer quilt,
1581
01:22:17,562 --> 01:22:20,398
log cabin pattern.
See that corner piece?
1582
01:22:20,440 --> 01:22:22,192
That was Grandmother's
wedding dress,
1583
01:22:22,233 --> 01:22:24,569
That was Grandpapa’s
favorite Sunday tie.
1584
01:22:24,652 --> 01:22:26,071
This is a rocking chair.
1585
01:22:26,112 --> 01:22:28,615
Rock me gently in
the bosom of Abraham.
1586
01:22:28,698 --> 01:22:32,494
This is a bus seat. No, I'm
not going to move today.
1587
01:22:32,577 --> 01:22:33,953
This is not a poem, no.
1588
01:22:34,037 --> 01:22:36,831
It is a celebration for
the road we have traveled,
1589
01:22:36,915 --> 01:22:39,084
it is a prayer for
the roads yet to come.
1590
01:22:39,167 --> 01:22:42,128
This is an explosion,
the original Big Bang
1591
01:22:42,212 --> 01:22:45,298
that makes the world a
hopeful, loving place.
1592
01:22:45,382 --> 01:22:48,677
This is about us
celebrating ourselves.
1593
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:51,096
And a well-deserved honor it is.
1594
01:22:51,137 --> 01:22:54,474
Light the candles,
this is a rocket.
1595
01:22:54,557 --> 01:22:55,767
Let's ride."
1596
01:23:13,952 --> 01:23:15,203
"We're going to Mars,
1597
01:23:15,286 --> 01:23:18,248
for the same reason Marco
Polo rocketed to China,
1598
01:23:18,289 --> 01:23:19,916
for the same reason Columbus
1599
01:23:19,958 --> 01:23:22,043
trimmed his sails on
the dream of spices.
1600
01:23:22,127 --> 01:23:23,461
For the very same reason
1601
01:23:23,545 --> 01:23:25,505
Shackleton was
enchanted with penguins.
1602
01:23:25,588 --> 01:23:29,217
For the reason we fall in
love. It's the only adventure.
1603
01:23:33,263 --> 01:23:35,324
We're going to Mars because
whatever is wrong with us
1604
01:23:35,348 --> 01:23:36,641
will not get right with us.
1605
01:23:36,683 --> 01:23:39,185
So we journey forth,
carrying the same baggage,
1606
01:23:39,269 --> 01:23:40,311
but every now and then,
1607
01:23:40,395 --> 01:23:42,772
leaving one little
bitty thing behind."
1608
01:23:45,316 --> 01:23:47,819
"Maybe not whipping
Uncle Tom to death.
1609
01:23:47,902 --> 01:23:49,612
Maybe resisting global war.
1610
01:23:49,654 --> 01:23:51,531
One day looking for
prejudice to slip,
1611
01:23:51,614 --> 01:23:54,367
one day looking for hatred
to tumble by the wayside.
1612
01:23:54,451 --> 01:23:55,994
One day maybe the
whole community
1613
01:23:56,036 --> 01:23:57,537
will no longer be vested
1614
01:23:57,620 --> 01:23:58,747
in who sleeps with whom.
1615
01:23:58,830 --> 01:24:01,583
Maybe one day the Jewish
community will be at rest,
1616
01:24:01,666 --> 01:24:03,918
the Christian community
will be content.
1617
01:24:04,002 --> 01:24:06,296
The Muslim community
will be at peace.
1618
01:24:06,338 --> 01:24:09,215
And all the rest of us will
get great meals at holy days,
1619
01:24:09,299 --> 01:24:11,801
and learn new songs
and sing in harmony."
1620
01:24:21,811 --> 01:24:24,105
And it’s an
honor to introduce this woman
1621
01:24:24,189 --> 01:24:26,733
she is the most
world-renowned Black poet
1622
01:24:26,816 --> 01:24:28,693
this world has ever seen.
1623
01:24:28,777 --> 01:24:30,195
She's an activist,
1624
01:24:30,236 --> 01:24:32,322
a Grammy-nominated activist.
1625
01:24:32,364 --> 01:24:35,325
She tells it like it is.
1626
01:24:35,367 --> 01:24:38,370
She's original Black girl
magic, motherfuckers.
1627
01:24:38,453 --> 01:24:41,373
There is no you
without this goddess.
1628
01:24:41,414 --> 01:24:42,874
Give
it up for Nikki,
1629
01:24:42,957 --> 01:24:45,418
poet laureate, sister
extraordinaire.
1630
01:24:45,502 --> 01:24:46,771
She's gonna lay it on you thick.
1631
01:24:46,795 --> 01:24:50,632
Give her a big warm welcome,
Afropunk, put them up!
1632
01:24:53,051 --> 01:24:54,803
We're going to Mars.
1633
01:25:00,558 --> 01:25:04,771
Because nobody on Earth
has any sense enough
1634
01:25:04,854 --> 01:25:08,733
to go to another planet
and get along with anybody.
1635
01:25:08,775 --> 01:25:12,737
We have got to send Black women,
we've got to ask Black women,
1636
01:25:12,779 --> 01:25:14,406
"Would you mind going up
1637
01:25:14,489 --> 01:25:16,866
and seeing what's up
there, what's alive?"
1638
01:25:16,908 --> 01:25:18,368
I'm a fan of Black women,
1639
01:25:18,410 --> 01:25:21,621
because we are the most
marvelous people on Earth.
1640
01:25:29,254 --> 01:25:31,798
♪ I was born in the Congo ♪
1641
01:25:36,011 --> 01:25:38,430
♪ I was born in the Congo ♪
1642
01:25:38,471 --> 01:25:40,140
♪ I walked To the
Fertile Crescent ♪
1643
01:25:40,223 --> 01:25:41,975
♪ And built the Sphinx ♪
1644
01:25:42,058 --> 01:25:43,935
♪ I designed a
pyramid So tough ♪
1645
01:25:43,977 --> 01:25:47,105
♪ That a star that only glows
Every one hundred years ♪
1646
01:25:47,188 --> 01:25:48,690
♪ Falls into the center ♪
1647
01:25:48,773 --> 01:25:52,193
♪ Giving divine,
perfect light I am bad ♪
1648
01:25:52,277 --> 01:25:55,280
♪ I sat on the throne
Drinking nectar with Allah ♪
1649
01:25:55,321 --> 01:25:57,741
♪ I got hot And sent
an ice age to Europe ♪
1650
01:25:57,782 --> 01:25:59,075
♪ To cool my thirst ♪
1651
01:25:59,117 --> 01:26:01,369
♪ My oldest daughter
Is Nefertiti ♪
1652
01:26:01,453 --> 01:26:03,121
♪ The tears From
my birth pains ♪
1653
01:26:03,204 --> 01:26:04,289
♪ Created the Nile ♪
1654
01:26:04,330 --> 01:26:06,249
♪ I am a beautiful woman ♪
1655
01:26:06,291 --> 01:26:07,667
♪ I gazed on the forest ♪
1656
01:26:07,751 --> 01:26:09,544
♪ And burned out
The Sahara Desert ♪
1657
01:26:09,627 --> 01:26:12,297
♪ With a packet of goat's
meat And a change of clothes ♪
1658
01:26:12,380 --> 01:26:13,965
♪ I crossed it in two hours ♪
1659
01:26:14,007 --> 01:26:15,300
♪ I am a gazelle ♪
1660
01:26:15,383 --> 01:26:18,428
♪ So swift, so swift
You can't catch me ♪
1661
01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:20,764
♪ For a birthday present
When he was three ♪
1662
01:26:20,805 --> 01:26:23,350
♪ I gave my son
Hannibal An elephant ♪
1663
01:26:23,433 --> 01:26:25,769
♪ He gave me Rome
For Mother’s Day ♪
1664
01:26:25,852 --> 01:26:28,146
♪ My strength flows ever on ♪
1665
01:26:28,188 --> 01:26:29,939
♪ My son Noah built new/ark ♪
1666
01:26:29,981 --> 01:26:31,441
♪ And I stood
Proudly at the helm ♪
1667
01:26:31,483 --> 01:26:34,319
♪ As we sailed On
a soft summer day ♪
1668
01:26:34,402 --> 01:26:37,197
♪ I turned myself into
myself And was Jesus ♪
1669
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,449
♪ Men intone my loving name ♪
1670
01:26:39,491 --> 01:26:43,036
♪ All praises, all praises I
am the one who would save ♪
1671
01:26:43,119 --> 01:26:45,455
♪ I sowed diamonds
In my backyard ♪
1672
01:26:45,497 --> 01:26:47,415
♪ My bowels deliver uranium ♪
1673
01:26:47,499 --> 01:26:49,125
♪ The filings From
my fingernails ♪
1674
01:26:49,167 --> 01:26:50,752
♪ Are semi-precious jewels ♪
1675
01:26:50,835 --> 01:26:52,629
♪ On a trip north,
I caught a cold ♪
1676
01:26:52,671 --> 01:26:55,465
♪ And blew my nose Giving
oil to the Arab world ♪
1677
01:26:55,507 --> 01:26:59,511
♪ I am so hip Even my
errors are correct ♪
1678
01:27:00,887 --> 01:27:02,305
♪ I sailed west to reach east ♪
1679
01:27:02,347 --> 01:27:05,016
♪ And had to round off
The earth as I went ♪
1680
01:27:05,100 --> 01:27:06,559
♪ The hair from
My head thinned ♪
1681
01:27:06,643 --> 01:27:09,270
♪ And gold was laid
Across three continents ♪
1682
01:27:09,312 --> 01:27:13,400
♪ I am so perfect so divine
So ethereal, so surreal ♪
1683
01:27:13,483 --> 01:27:16,736
♪ I cannot be comprehended
Except by my permission ♪
1684
01:27:16,820 --> 01:27:21,783
♪ I mean, I can fly
Like a bird in the sky ♪
1685
01:28:16,087 --> 01:28:18,506
Let's go
back to the kids.
1686
01:28:18,590 --> 01:28:20,967
You talk to those
people who can hear you,
1687
01:28:21,051 --> 01:28:22,927
and you save what you can save.
1688
01:28:22,969 --> 01:28:25,430
You know, what you have to do
1689
01:28:25,472 --> 01:28:27,515
is make it possible
for others to live.
1690
01:28:27,599 --> 01:28:29,142
- Mm-hmm.
- You know.
1691
01:28:29,225 --> 01:28:31,311
That's the only
reason to be here.
1692
01:28:31,394 --> 01:28:34,439
You know, who needs
the rest of it, really!
1693
01:28:34,481 --> 01:28:37,359
Would you say that, like,
you tend to be optimistic?
1694
01:28:38,193 --> 01:28:40,153
You know, on those kinda levels?
1695
01:28:40,236 --> 01:28:42,781
When I pick a kid
up in my arms, yes.
1696
01:28:42,822 --> 01:28:44,282
I look at you, yes!
1697
01:28:44,366 --> 01:28:45,992
- You know.
- Not me!
1698
01:28:46,076 --> 01:28:48,095
- Yes. When I look at...
- I'm very pessimistic.
1699
01:28:48,119 --> 01:28:50,014
Oh, no! You're not as
pessimist as you think you are.
1700
01:28:50,038 --> 01:28:52,957
- I'm not pessimistic...
- You got far too much energy
1701
01:28:52,999 --> 01:28:54,751
to be as pessimistic
as you think you are.
1702
01:28:54,793 --> 01:28:56,145
I'm pretty
pessimistic, though.
1703
01:28:56,169 --> 01:28:57,313
No, I think you're
pretty realistic.
1704
01:28:57,337 --> 01:28:58,630
I think you're pretty cool.
1705
01:28:58,713 --> 01:29:01,383
But there has to be a way to
do what we do and survive.
1706
01:29:01,466 --> 01:29:03,551
Which is, to me, what
seems to be missing.
1707
01:29:03,635 --> 01:29:06,346
Sweetheart. Sweetheart.
1708
01:29:06,429 --> 01:29:08,723
Our ancestors taught
us how to do that.
1709
01:29:18,358 --> 01:29:20,118
"The captain knew
they were in trouble
1710
01:29:20,151 --> 01:29:23,488
in an unknown place, without
communicable abilities,
1711
01:29:23,530 --> 01:29:25,865
with a violent and
capricious species.
1712
01:29:25,949 --> 01:29:28,660
But they could look out and
still see signs of home,
1713
01:29:28,743 --> 01:29:31,830
they could still smell
the sweetness in the air.
1714
01:29:31,913 --> 01:29:34,124
But there reached a
point where the captured
1715
01:29:34,165 --> 01:29:35,625
could not only not look back,
1716
01:29:35,667 --> 01:29:38,503
they had no idea which
way back might be.
1717
01:29:38,545 --> 01:29:41,131
There was nothing in the
middle of the deep blue water
1718
01:29:41,172 --> 01:29:43,049
to indicate which
way home might be.
1719
01:29:43,133 --> 01:29:46,511
And it was that moment when
a decision had to be made.
1720
01:29:46,553 --> 01:29:47,887
Do they continue forward
1721
01:29:47,971 --> 01:29:50,181
with a resolve to see
this thing through,
1722
01:29:50,223 --> 01:29:53,643
or do they embrace the waters
and find another world?"
1723
01:29:59,190 --> 01:30:00,525
"In the
belly of the ship,
1724
01:30:00,567 --> 01:30:01,818
the moan was heard.
1725
01:30:01,860 --> 01:30:05,321
And someone picked up that
moan and a song was raised,
1726
01:30:05,363 --> 01:30:08,450
and that song would
offer comfort and hope
1727
01:30:08,533 --> 01:30:09,826
and tell the story."
1728
01:31:31,282 --> 01:31:32,784
Make yourself, um...
1729
01:31:33,618 --> 01:31:34,786
comfortable.
1730
01:32:16,036 --> 01:32:19,998
I had no idea what
I was gonna see,
1731
01:32:20,081 --> 01:32:24,461
but I did not expect
so many antiques.
1732
01:32:24,502 --> 01:32:26,087
That's for sure.
1733
01:32:30,759 --> 01:32:32,927
So many people writing in books,
1734
01:32:33,011 --> 01:32:36,348
like notes to her
all around this room.
1735
01:32:36,431 --> 01:32:37,807
It's really cool.
1736
01:32:47,901 --> 01:32:52,030
So, I don't know much
about people before us,
1737
01:32:52,113 --> 01:32:54,866
and how they lived, and
where they came from.
1738
01:33:01,873 --> 01:33:04,167
I would
like to see young people,
1739
01:33:04,209 --> 01:33:06,336
Black young people,
create, basically,
1740
01:33:06,378 --> 01:33:09,172
their own Black language
for better communication.
1741
01:33:09,214 --> 01:33:10,900
I'm not talking
about creating a language,
1742
01:33:10,924 --> 01:33:13,468
I'm talking about saying that
my language is legitimate.
1743
01:33:13,551 --> 01:33:14,761
You know, I think so.
1744
01:33:14,844 --> 01:33:17,389
We use the language that we use.
1745
01:33:17,472 --> 01:33:18,848
They had an Italian Renaissance.
1746
01:33:18,890 --> 01:33:20,725
Dante and them wrote
in the vernacular.
1747
01:33:20,809 --> 01:33:21,994
Well, we're doing
the same thing.
1748
01:33:22,018 --> 01:33:23,371
We're talking about
a Black renaissance,
1749
01:33:23,395 --> 01:33:25,206
writing in Black vernacular.
That's what we're talking about.
1750
01:33:25,230 --> 01:33:26,749
I'm talking about coming
out of the White Ages
1751
01:33:26,773 --> 01:33:28,209
rather than the dark
ones, you dig?
1752
01:33:28,233 --> 01:33:29,794
We're coming out
of that into the '70s...
1753
01:33:29,818 --> 01:33:32,153
Well, I think it’s really
cool, how you could have
1754
01:33:32,237 --> 01:33:34,948
that much confidence
at, like, 20-something.
1755
01:33:35,031 --> 01:33:37,867
I do not... Well, I hope I will.
1756
01:33:37,909 --> 01:33:41,246
But to be able to
speak like that,
1757
01:33:41,287 --> 01:33:42,831
it’s pretty awesome.
1758
01:33:42,914 --> 01:33:45,709
So, I hope I can do
that at that age,
1759
01:33:45,750 --> 01:33:48,086
or hopefully younger.
That would be ideal.
1760
01:33:48,128 --> 01:33:49,963
Oh, you'll be fine.
1761
01:33:50,046 --> 01:33:51,756
You'll be fine.
1762
01:33:51,798 --> 01:33:54,926
I'm a space freak.
1763
01:33:55,427 --> 01:33:56,720
I was able to go
1764
01:33:56,761 --> 01:33:59,014
on the SST, on the
Supersonic Transport
1765
01:33:59,097 --> 01:34:01,808
actually from London
back to New York,
1766
01:34:01,891 --> 01:34:03,476
because a friend
of mine had died
1767
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:05,120
and I wanted to be
there at her funeral.
1768
01:34:05,186 --> 01:34:08,898
And the Supersonic...
SST, goes up 70,000 feet,
1769
01:34:08,940 --> 01:34:10,316
for those of you
who don't know it.
1770
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:14,529
And at 70,000 feet, you can
see the curve of the Earth.
1771
01:34:14,612 --> 01:34:16,614
And I always wanted
to be able to go
1772
01:34:16,656 --> 01:34:17,907
just a little bit higher.
1773
01:34:17,949 --> 01:34:19,844
I want to go to Space Station
or something like that.
1774
01:34:19,868 --> 01:34:22,787
And I know Charles Bolden,
who was the head of NASA.
1775
01:34:22,871 --> 01:34:24,914
Dr. Bolden said to me, you know,
1776
01:34:24,956 --> 01:34:27,334
"Nikki, I could
take you to space.
1777
01:34:27,417 --> 01:34:28,460
You could do that,
1778
01:34:28,501 --> 01:34:31,087
but I couldn't bring you
back." And I said, "Charles,
1779
01:34:31,129 --> 01:34:32,714
I don't know how
to tell you this."
1780
01:34:32,797 --> 01:34:35,258
And maybe some of
you don't understand.
1781
01:34:35,300 --> 01:34:36,843
Let me share.
1782
01:34:36,926 --> 01:34:38,428
If you were born...
1783
01:34:38,887 --> 01:34:40,388
you're gonna die.
1784
01:34:42,766 --> 01:34:45,143
And I thought, wouldn't
that be really, just cool?
1785
01:34:45,185 --> 01:34:48,980
Because I'm 76 now, and
maybe by the time I'm 80,
1786
01:34:49,064 --> 01:34:51,483
'cause I just wanna give
myself few more years.
1787
01:34:51,524 --> 01:34:52,859
And when I'm 80, I'll go up
1788
01:34:52,942 --> 01:34:54,319
and I'll sit on
the space station
1789
01:34:54,361 --> 01:34:55,236
for a couple of years,
1790
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:58,656
'cause we don't have
any artists in space.
1791
01:34:58,698 --> 01:35:00,867
We don't have any
poets in space.
1792
01:35:00,950 --> 01:35:03,244
And I get to say what I've seen.
1793
01:35:03,328 --> 01:35:06,164
And then, you know, I'm gonna
do what everybody else does,
1794
01:35:06,247 --> 01:35:07,165
I'm gonna die.
1795
01:35:07,207 --> 01:35:09,793
And what I want them to
do is just open the...
1796
01:35:09,834 --> 01:35:13,672
There's a door there. And I
want... just open the door
1797
01:35:13,713 --> 01:35:15,191
and just let me out.
1798
01:35:15,215 --> 01:35:17,193
And you'll just look out,
and you'll see me go and say,
1799
01:35:17,217 --> 01:35:19,678
"There goes Nikki." And...
1800
01:35:38,530 --> 01:35:40,073
There's another one over there.
1801
01:35:43,326 --> 01:35:45,328
See, it's growing.
1802
01:35:47,872 --> 01:35:49,708
Now... See, now, he came out.
1803
01:35:49,749 --> 01:35:52,168
This guy went and
talked to him, I guess.
1804
01:35:59,509 --> 01:36:01,928
"To successfully
go to Mars and back,
1805
01:36:02,012 --> 01:36:03,638
you will need a song.
1806
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:06,099
Take some Billie
Holiday for the sad days
1807
01:36:06,182 --> 01:36:08,393
and some Charlie Parker
for the happy ones.
1808
01:36:08,476 --> 01:36:12,397
But always keep at least one
good spiritual for comfort."
1809
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:16,776
Yeah, I love that smell.
1810
01:36:16,860 --> 01:36:18,903
"You will need to
slice or two of a meatloaf,
1811
01:36:18,987 --> 01:36:21,990
and if you can manage it, some
fried chicken in a shoebox,
1812
01:36:22,073 --> 01:36:24,826
with a moist lemon pound cake,
1813
01:36:24,909 --> 01:36:25,952
a bottle of beer,
1814
01:36:26,036 --> 01:36:27,579
because no one
should go that far
1815
01:36:27,662 --> 01:36:29,831
without a beer, and
maybe a six pack,
1816
01:36:29,914 --> 01:36:32,959
so if there is life on
Mars, you can share.
1817
01:36:33,043 --> 01:36:35,462
Popcorn for the
celebration when you land,
1818
01:36:35,545 --> 01:36:38,131
while you wait on your
land legs to kick in.
1819
01:36:38,214 --> 01:36:41,384
And as you climb down the
ladder from your spaceship
1820
01:36:41,426 --> 01:36:42,761
to the Martian surface,
1821
01:36:42,802 --> 01:36:45,597
look to your left,
and there you'll see
1822
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:47,098
a smiling community
1823
01:36:47,140 --> 01:36:51,436
quilting a black-eyed pea,
watching you descend."
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