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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:14,407 --> 00:01:17,035 I don't remember a lot of things. 2 00:01:17,077 --> 00:01:19,037 But a lot of things that I don't remember, 3 00:01:19,079 --> 00:01:20,413 I don't choose to remember. 4 00:01:27,379 --> 00:01:29,130 I remember what's important 5 00:01:29,214 --> 00:01:30,757 and I make up the rest. 6 00:01:42,185 --> 00:01:44,396 That's what storytelling's all about. 7 00:02:02,247 --> 00:02:04,541 Stand by. 8 00:02:29,816 --> 00:02:32,444 If you're right, then what you're saying... 9 00:02:33,945 --> 00:02:35,238 is you're a forerunner 10 00:02:35,321 --> 00:02:38,283 of what many times happens. So, you're sort of a prophet. 11 00:02:38,366 --> 00:02:40,785 I would hate to think of myself as being a prophet. 12 00:02:40,869 --> 00:02:42,287 Prophets die. 13 00:02:42,370 --> 00:02:43,639 They always... The prophets and saints... 14 00:02:43,663 --> 00:02:45,040 But don't we all? 15 00:02:45,123 --> 00:02:47,042 Oh, but they do it sooner. 16 00:02:47,125 --> 00:02:48,960 What I'm trying to do with my writing 17 00:02:49,043 --> 00:02:50,920 is to bring out a reality. 18 00:02:50,962 --> 00:02:52,839 I'm what they call a personal poet. 19 00:02:52,922 --> 00:02:55,466 And I try to bring out the personality of my life. 20 00:02:55,550 --> 00:02:58,094 You know? That my family was a good family. 21 00:02:58,136 --> 00:02:59,613 You know, because they're Black people 22 00:02:59,637 --> 00:03:00,906 and Black people are good people. 23 00:03:00,930 --> 00:03:04,559 And from that goodness, we can create the revolution. 24 00:03:04,642 --> 00:03:07,187 So that the revolution isn't a reaction to Whiteness, 25 00:03:07,270 --> 00:03:09,606 but a forward thrust of Blackness. 26 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,153 Before we leave, will you do one more time? 27 00:03:15,195 --> 00:03:16,613 Oh, I'd be glad to. 28 00:03:16,654 --> 00:03:19,574 This is "Nikki-Rosa." It's about us. 29 00:03:26,247 --> 00:03:27,582 "Childhood remembrances 30 00:03:27,665 --> 00:03:30,835 are always a drag if you're Black. 31 00:03:32,337 --> 00:03:34,589 And if you become famous or something, 32 00:03:34,673 --> 00:03:36,508 they never talk about how happy you were 33 00:03:36,549 --> 00:03:38,510 to have your mother all to yourself. 34 00:03:38,551 --> 00:03:40,303 And even though you remember, 35 00:03:40,345 --> 00:03:42,389 your biographers never understand 36 00:03:42,472 --> 00:03:44,641 your father's pain as he sells his stock. 37 00:03:44,683 --> 00:03:47,644 And another dream goes. And though you're poor 38 00:03:47,686 --> 00:03:49,938 it isn't poverty that concerns you. 39 00:03:50,021 --> 00:03:51,314 And though they fought a lot 40 00:03:51,356 --> 00:03:53,501 it isn't your father's drinking that makes any difference. 41 00:03:53,525 --> 00:03:55,652 But only that everybody is together. 42 00:03:55,694 --> 00:03:58,196 And you and your sister have happy birthdays 43 00:03:58,279 --> 00:04:00,240 and very good Christmases. 44 00:04:02,534 --> 00:04:05,203 And I really hope no White person ever has cause 45 00:04:05,286 --> 00:04:07,872 to write about me because they never understand 46 00:04:07,914 --> 00:04:09,582 Black love is Black wealth. 47 00:04:09,666 --> 00:04:12,377 And they'll probably talk about my hard childhood 48 00:04:12,460 --> 00:04:14,879 and never understand that all the while 49 00:04:14,921 --> 00:04:16,380 I was quite happy." 50 00:04:17,173 --> 00:04:18,298 Right on. 51 00:04:36,067 --> 00:04:38,445 I'm very proud of my okra. 52 00:04:41,614 --> 00:04:43,533 I planted it from seed. 53 00:04:43,575 --> 00:04:45,635 And so there's just something nice about putting seed 54 00:04:45,659 --> 00:04:47,954 in the ground and... this... It looks good. 55 00:04:49,706 --> 00:04:51,624 See? It's growing. 56 00:05:14,939 --> 00:05:17,275 I was born in Knoxville, Tennessee, 57 00:05:17,359 --> 00:05:19,527 but I am an earthling. 58 00:05:23,615 --> 00:05:25,742 I'm a big fan of Black women. 59 00:05:25,784 --> 00:05:29,579 'Cause in our blood is space travel. 60 00:05:33,875 --> 00:05:37,128 Because we've come from a known, 61 00:05:37,170 --> 00:05:40,799 through an unknown, to an unknown. 62 00:05:42,926 --> 00:05:44,969 And that's all that space travel is. 63 00:05:47,722 --> 00:05:52,310 If anybody can find what there is in this darkness, 64 00:05:52,394 --> 00:05:54,229 it's Black women. 65 00:06:28,805 --> 00:06:30,348 - Thank you so much. - Thank you. 66 00:06:36,312 --> 00:06:37,897 Thank you so much. 67 00:06:59,377 --> 00:07:01,880 Here in the Apollo Theater, 68 00:07:01,963 --> 00:07:05,508 our card-carrying members... 69 00:07:05,550 --> 00:07:08,887 of the Nikki Giovanni fan club. 70 00:07:11,681 --> 00:07:15,602 So, Nikki, say something about 71 00:07:16,478 --> 00:07:19,981 the role of friends... 72 00:07:20,065 --> 00:07:23,026 - in your life. - You know, I'm not friendly. 73 00:07:23,068 --> 00:07:25,111 - And... - That's why 74 00:07:25,195 --> 00:07:26,321 I asked the question. 75 00:07:26,404 --> 00:07:28,907 - I'm not friendly. - You're the last person 76 00:07:28,948 --> 00:07:29,948 you would think. 77 00:07:29,991 --> 00:07:32,534 I'm fortunate, you know, that I'm polite, 78 00:07:32,577 --> 00:07:33,661 but I'm not friendly. 79 00:07:37,582 --> 00:07:39,000 I know, Nikki, 80 00:07:39,084 --> 00:07:44,255 you don't just think of yourself as yourself. 81 00:07:44,339 --> 00:07:49,469 You sure write in a collective sense. 82 00:07:49,552 --> 00:07:52,931 - You write for all of us. - But, Johnnetta... 83 00:07:53,014 --> 00:07:56,768 I honestly think that the most important word to me is duty. 84 00:07:56,810 --> 00:07:58,645 Let's... let's hear it. 85 00:07:58,728 --> 00:08:01,272 I just think there are things you have to do. 86 00:08:01,314 --> 00:08:03,191 When all, for lack of a better word, 87 00:08:03,274 --> 00:08:06,319 the shit hits the fan, you're still gonna stand up 88 00:08:06,403 --> 00:08:08,613 - and do the right thing. - Mm-hmm. 89 00:08:09,823 --> 00:08:12,075 Our people have. The history of our people 90 00:08:12,117 --> 00:08:13,868 is a great history. 91 00:08:13,952 --> 00:08:16,996 And it's our duty to tell that story. 92 00:08:24,170 --> 00:08:26,631 My great grandfather was a slave. 93 00:08:28,758 --> 00:08:30,677 My grandfather attended Fisk University. 94 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,072 He wanted to be a Latin scholar, was a Latin scholar, in fact. 95 00:08:33,096 --> 00:08:34,722 It's just that he couldn't find a job, 96 00:08:34,806 --> 00:08:37,225 because nobody was hiring Black men to be Latin scholars 97 00:08:37,308 --> 00:08:38,308 at that particular point, 98 00:08:38,393 --> 00:08:40,102 but he was a dreamer is my point. 99 00:08:40,145 --> 00:08:41,645 And his dream was not realizable 100 00:08:41,688 --> 00:08:43,188 because of a number of situations. 101 00:08:43,273 --> 00:08:45,942 So he became a Latin teacher in a local high school 102 00:08:46,026 --> 00:08:46,943 and he did very well. 103 00:08:46,985 --> 00:08:48,671 He took care of his wife and his three children. 104 00:08:48,695 --> 00:08:50,655 My mother had me. I'm also a dreamer. 105 00:08:50,739 --> 00:08:53,283 But I don't understand why my dreams can't come true. 106 00:08:53,324 --> 00:08:54,492 So, I will continue to do 107 00:08:54,576 --> 00:08:56,661 what my grandfather could not do. I will fight. 108 00:08:56,745 --> 00:08:58,455 - Mm-hmm. - I'm a fighter. 109 00:08:58,496 --> 00:09:00,540 And my son should not have to fight 110 00:09:00,623 --> 00:09:02,292 the same battles that I fought. 111 00:09:04,252 --> 00:09:06,671 I'm a native Tennessean, I was born there. 112 00:09:07,922 --> 00:09:09,275 During the age of segregation 113 00:09:09,299 --> 00:09:11,139 when you couldn't go to the same amusement park 114 00:09:11,176 --> 00:09:13,261 or the same movie theater, when the White guys 115 00:09:13,345 --> 00:09:15,680 would cruise up and down the street and call out to you, 116 00:09:15,722 --> 00:09:18,016 when the Black guys were afraid of being lynched. 117 00:09:18,058 --> 00:09:19,768 But we went to Church each Sunday 118 00:09:19,851 --> 00:09:21,936 and we sang a precious song, 119 00:09:22,020 --> 00:09:24,022 and we found a way not to survive, 120 00:09:24,105 --> 00:09:25,648 anything can survive, 121 00:09:25,690 --> 00:09:28,777 but to thrive and believe and hope. 122 00:09:28,860 --> 00:09:30,987 I'm a native Tennessean, I was born there, 123 00:09:31,029 --> 00:09:33,049 but I was only two months old when my mother and father 124 00:09:33,073 --> 00:09:34,866 moved my sister and me to Cincinnati, 125 00:09:34,908 --> 00:09:36,534 where neighborhoods were redlined, 126 00:09:36,576 --> 00:09:38,286 but at least Mommy could get a job teaching 127 00:09:38,370 --> 00:09:40,872 and Daddy could get a job behind a desk. And after all, 128 00:09:40,955 --> 00:09:43,875 if you are a college graduate, that's the least you can expect. 129 00:09:49,631 --> 00:09:51,841 My father got a scholarship 130 00:09:51,883 --> 00:09:55,095 to Knoxville College where my mother lived. 131 00:09:55,178 --> 00:09:56,178 They fell in love. 132 00:09:56,221 --> 00:09:58,848 The yearbook had a picture of my mother. 133 00:09:58,890 --> 00:10:01,226 And it says, "When you see her, you surely must 134 00:10:01,309 --> 00:10:03,395 at the same time think of Gus." 135 00:10:08,024 --> 00:10:09,818 It was a stormy relationship 136 00:10:09,901 --> 00:10:13,905 at various points, but we know that deprivation 137 00:10:14,864 --> 00:10:17,283 gives us stormy relationships. 138 00:10:25,750 --> 00:10:27,669 So, what are we looking for? 139 00:10:27,752 --> 00:10:29,754 We're trying to get to Jackson Street. 140 00:10:29,796 --> 00:10:31,357 We're trying to get to... 141 00:10:31,381 --> 00:10:33,675 - Lincoln Heights? Okay. - Lincoln Heights. 142 00:10:33,758 --> 00:10:35,635 This is Pendry. Go down Pendry. 143 00:10:35,719 --> 00:10:37,429 - Left or right? - Left. 144 00:10:40,849 --> 00:10:42,559 I shared a bedroom with my sister, 145 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:47,272 and my bed was by the window. 146 00:10:47,313 --> 00:10:50,775 When you start to look at things that have been 147 00:10:51,276 --> 00:10:52,277 changed so much, 148 00:10:52,318 --> 00:10:54,654 I mean, it's very hard... I couldn't begin as I say. 149 00:10:54,738 --> 00:10:58,950 If this is what it appears to me, this is asphalt. 150 00:10:58,992 --> 00:11:01,536 And so, it's a piece of asphalt. 151 00:11:01,619 --> 00:11:03,288 If that's the case, the house was there. 152 00:11:03,329 --> 00:11:04,622 'Cause it wasn't a big house. 153 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,087 When you have parents who... 154 00:11:11,129 --> 00:11:15,633 have difficulties as a kid, what you have to do is, uh... 155 00:11:15,717 --> 00:11:17,260 you have to have an imagination, 156 00:11:17,302 --> 00:11:20,221 and you have to step out of their relationship 157 00:11:20,972 --> 00:11:23,141 and figure out what you want. 158 00:11:27,020 --> 00:11:29,147 I know crying is a skill. 159 00:11:30,482 --> 00:11:32,150 I automatically wipe my eyes 160 00:11:32,192 --> 00:11:34,819 even though I know crying is a skill. 161 00:11:37,113 --> 00:11:38,990 Maybe I will learn. My mother did 162 00:11:39,032 --> 00:11:42,619 when she thought I was asleep. I think my sister did sleep, 163 00:11:42,660 --> 00:11:46,164 but sleeping is difficult to me as crying. 164 00:11:46,206 --> 00:11:50,335 I laugh easily and I smile, and withhold any true feelings. 165 00:12:04,182 --> 00:12:05,326 Your book is wonderful. 166 00:12:05,350 --> 00:12:07,644 Oh, thank you. You want me to sit closer? 167 00:12:07,686 --> 00:12:09,121 Okay. Yeah. 168 00:12:09,145 --> 00:12:10,785 You're comfortable the way you're sitting? 169 00:12:10,855 --> 00:12:13,191 I'm just gonna label these for you. 170 00:12:13,274 --> 00:12:15,610 "Maybe I should be happy I found 171 00:12:15,694 --> 00:12:18,279 my mother in someone else who loves me." 172 00:12:18,321 --> 00:12:19,906 "What else really matters?" 173 00:12:19,989 --> 00:12:21,866 That's our guest Nikki Giovanni 174 00:12:21,908 --> 00:12:24,536 reading from her poem "I Married My Mother." 175 00:12:24,619 --> 00:12:25,662 Where to begin? 176 00:12:25,704 --> 00:12:27,914 Well, let's begin with the crying part. 177 00:12:27,997 --> 00:12:29,207 You're not a crier? 178 00:12:29,249 --> 00:12:31,543 You're smiling at me as I ask you this question. 179 00:12:31,584 --> 00:12:33,837 I grew up because my father... 180 00:12:33,878 --> 00:12:36,464 And I'm trying to understand more, 181 00:12:36,548 --> 00:12:37,882 but my father was cruel. 182 00:12:37,924 --> 00:12:40,552 And it seemed like my mother needed, 183 00:12:40,635 --> 00:12:42,429 I don't know, protection or something. 184 00:12:43,430 --> 00:12:45,348 "Who was there? Who looked? 185 00:12:45,390 --> 00:12:47,726 Where was the camera that Saturday night? 186 00:12:47,767 --> 00:12:49,769 My father hit my mother so hard 187 00:12:49,853 --> 00:12:51,938 she literally flew across the living room 188 00:12:52,022 --> 00:12:53,732 and fell against the windowpane 189 00:12:53,815 --> 00:12:55,025 like a rag doll. 190 00:12:55,066 --> 00:12:57,569 I watched. I watched over Mommy. 191 00:12:57,652 --> 00:12:59,487 I hear her say, 'Please don't hit me, ' 192 00:12:59,571 --> 00:13:00,613 but he does. 193 00:13:00,697 --> 00:13:01,906 She says to me, 194 00:13:01,948 --> 00:13:04,951 'What goes on in our house, stays in our house.' 195 00:13:05,035 --> 00:13:06,745 Who saw what I heard? 196 00:13:06,786 --> 00:13:08,747 Who knows how to make sense of it? 197 00:13:08,830 --> 00:13:10,915 And we want to save the world? 198 00:13:10,957 --> 00:13:13,918 What about my mother? I am a witness. 199 00:13:14,002 --> 00:13:17,756 I don't need an overseas enemy. I have my father. 200 00:13:17,839 --> 00:13:19,799 And the band played on." 201 00:13:19,883 --> 00:13:21,043 Did you see him as the enemy? 202 00:13:21,092 --> 00:13:23,219 I went to live with Grandmother shortly after... 203 00:13:23,261 --> 00:13:25,263 after that, because it was... 204 00:13:25,305 --> 00:13:27,116 well, I shouldn't say this on the radio, I guess, 205 00:13:27,140 --> 00:13:30,685 but it was clear that either I was going to kill him 206 00:13:30,769 --> 00:13:32,687 or I had to move, and so... 207 00:13:32,771 --> 00:13:34,939 I decided to move. But the funny thing was, 208 00:13:34,981 --> 00:13:36,941 you know, Grandmother and I never discussed it, 209 00:13:36,983 --> 00:13:39,277 but I know that Grandmother knew 210 00:13:39,319 --> 00:13:41,988 that her daughter was in trouble. I know that. 211 00:13:47,035 --> 00:13:49,037 I don't understand how on one hand 212 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,623 you say you're talking about, like, a Black man. 213 00:13:51,664 --> 00:13:54,125 That he can be nothing in the streets 214 00:13:54,167 --> 00:13:56,920 and so fearful in his home. 215 00:13:56,961 --> 00:14:00,965 That he can be brutalized by some White person somewhere, 216 00:14:01,049 --> 00:14:02,634 and then come home and treat... 217 00:14:02,676 --> 00:14:04,135 You know, I mean, me, my mother... 218 00:14:04,219 --> 00:14:05,863 - It's got to... - the same way 219 00:14:05,887 --> 00:14:07,472 that he was being treated. 220 00:14:07,555 --> 00:14:09,492 Which perpetuates... I mean, you take somebody like me 221 00:14:09,516 --> 00:14:11,118 - I'm not married, right? - Yes, but Nikki... 222 00:14:11,142 --> 00:14:12,370 I couldn't play my mother. 223 00:14:12,394 --> 00:14:13,954 - Yes, I know. - You know what I mean? 224 00:14:13,978 --> 00:14:15,414 I just couldn't deal with it. I said no. 225 00:14:15,438 --> 00:14:17,358 But, Nikki, it's also true that since your mother 226 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,859 played that role, you haven't got to. 227 00:14:19,943 --> 00:14:23,154 You say mistreated, or I say mistreated, no. 228 00:14:23,196 --> 00:14:25,990 But in the per... In the mind of the person who is doing it, 229 00:14:26,074 --> 00:14:27,867 he's not mistreating you. 230 00:14:27,951 --> 00:14:29,387 No, I'm not dealing with that. 231 00:14:29,411 --> 00:14:31,788 Let's say, in the mind of, let's say, your father, 232 00:14:31,871 --> 00:14:33,915 who is just an example, or the mind of my father. 233 00:14:33,998 --> 00:14:36,251 You know what I mean? He is being mistreated. 234 00:14:36,334 --> 00:14:37,478 I'm not gonna deal with the cracker 235 00:14:37,502 --> 00:14:39,713 that's mistreating him. I'm gonna deal with him. 236 00:14:39,796 --> 00:14:41,339 He knows that he is not being treated 237 00:14:41,381 --> 00:14:44,843 with the respect due him as a person, as a Black man. 238 00:14:44,884 --> 00:14:47,220 Okay? In order to, like, get that together 239 00:14:47,303 --> 00:14:48,638 when he comes into that house, 240 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,975 he begins to, like, brutalize my mother, for example. 241 00:14:52,017 --> 00:14:53,018 You see what I mean? 242 00:14:53,059 --> 00:14:55,020 Which becomes like a phenomenon to me, 243 00:14:55,061 --> 00:14:56,688 because I don't like White people 244 00:14:56,730 --> 00:14:58,314 and I'm afraid of Black men, right? 245 00:14:58,356 --> 00:14:59,667 If you can follow what I'm saying, 246 00:14:59,691 --> 00:15:01,419 without anybody writing a letter and saying "Sister," 247 00:15:01,443 --> 00:15:03,528 you know what I mean? Okay, so what do you do? 248 00:15:03,570 --> 00:15:05,464 Listen, you have to, I think what you have... 249 00:15:05,488 --> 00:15:06,364 It's a cycle. 250 00:15:06,406 --> 00:15:09,492 And that's unfortunate because I need love. 251 00:15:19,169 --> 00:15:21,046 The one thing that I did know 252 00:15:21,129 --> 00:15:24,716 is whatever life would be, I knew I had to create myself. 253 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:26,384 So, I wrote a poem, "Nikki-Rosa." 254 00:15:26,426 --> 00:15:28,678 Childhood remembrances are always a drag, 255 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,556 but I also knew it could not determine who I was. 256 00:15:31,598 --> 00:15:32,724 So I'm gonna write a line 257 00:15:32,766 --> 00:15:34,225 that says, "And though we were poor, 258 00:15:34,267 --> 00:15:36,519 it's not poverty that concerned me." 259 00:15:36,561 --> 00:15:40,106 What did it feel like to wake up at 11? 260 00:15:40,190 --> 00:15:42,567 Well, you want something that I'm obviously, 261 00:15:42,609 --> 00:15:44,652 clearly not ever gonna give you 262 00:15:44,736 --> 00:15:48,865 or anybody else, so you can find another question. 263 00:15:48,907 --> 00:15:51,451 I don't know how else to say that. 264 00:15:51,534 --> 00:15:52,744 But I was not asleep. 265 00:15:52,786 --> 00:15:55,872 And I knew that it was Saturday, so I knew what to expect. 266 00:15:55,914 --> 00:15:57,457 But... 267 00:15:57,540 --> 00:15:58,833 You're wanting me to go 268 00:15:58,917 --> 00:16:00,585 to someplace that I'm not gonna go 269 00:16:00,627 --> 00:16:01,920 because it'll make me unhappy. 270 00:16:01,961 --> 00:16:03,672 And I refuse to be unhappy about something 271 00:16:03,755 --> 00:16:05,131 I can do nothing about. 272 00:16:09,761 --> 00:16:11,179 So, I selected happiness 273 00:16:11,262 --> 00:16:14,265 and I put that which was unhappy away. 274 00:16:15,517 --> 00:16:17,268 I chose not to grieve. 275 00:16:24,526 --> 00:16:27,737 "I brush my teeth, I smile, 276 00:16:27,779 --> 00:16:30,115 but there is always this frown. 277 00:16:32,534 --> 00:16:35,620 I think I'll run away with the ants 278 00:16:36,705 --> 00:16:38,498 and live on Mars." 279 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,847 That thing is com... Christmas is coming. 280 00:16:53,930 --> 00:16:55,265 And I like Christmas okay, 281 00:16:55,306 --> 00:16:58,476 but I really hate Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer. 282 00:17:01,312 --> 00:17:02,355 Don't you? 283 00:17:04,148 --> 00:17:06,317 And it's like, "Whoa, what is wrong with you?" 284 00:17:06,401 --> 00:17:11,156 And all of the other reindeers would laugh and call him names. 285 00:17:11,196 --> 00:17:12,615 What the hell is that? 286 00:17:12,656 --> 00:17:14,451 And... 287 00:17:14,492 --> 00:17:16,161 No. 288 00:17:16,243 --> 00:17:19,998 I wanna know where was Mr. Santa Claus 289 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:21,124 and Mrs. Santa Claus? 290 00:17:21,165 --> 00:17:23,126 They saw what was going on with Rudolph. 291 00:17:23,167 --> 00:17:26,003 Why didn't some of them come out and get that corrected? 292 00:17:26,087 --> 00:17:29,257 But the minute they needed something, right? 293 00:17:29,341 --> 00:17:32,802 One foggy Christmas Eve, then Santa's there, you know, 294 00:17:32,844 --> 00:17:34,304 "Hey, Rudolph, we need you." 295 00:17:34,346 --> 00:17:36,264 Rudolph should have told him to kiss... 296 00:17:36,348 --> 00:17:40,060 Rudolph... 297 00:17:40,143 --> 00:17:43,355 He should have. 298 00:17:47,817 --> 00:17:52,238 Some of us in this room are in some ways different. 299 00:17:52,322 --> 00:17:55,367 And I just wanted to say, you know, remember Rudolph 300 00:17:55,408 --> 00:17:57,702 and that Rudolph should have cursed him out, 301 00:17:57,786 --> 00:18:00,038 because you don't have any reason to be sucking up 302 00:18:00,121 --> 00:18:01,623 under them dumbass reindeer 303 00:18:01,706 --> 00:18:04,376 who are talking about you. 304 00:18:04,417 --> 00:18:07,671 Because anybody that has any talent in this room 305 00:18:07,712 --> 00:18:08,755 is lonely. 306 00:18:08,838 --> 00:18:10,048 Whether you can sing, 307 00:18:10,090 --> 00:18:11,925 whether you can shoot a basketball, 308 00:18:12,008 --> 00:18:13,176 whether you can play foo... 309 00:18:13,218 --> 00:18:14,636 I don't care what it is you can... 310 00:18:14,719 --> 00:18:16,388 If you've got a talent... 311 00:18:17,222 --> 00:18:18,306 you're lonely. 312 00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:23,436 And so what you wanna do is go on with your life. 313 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,023 Because at some point you're gonna find somebody 314 00:18:27,065 --> 00:18:29,901 who is lonely as you are. 315 00:18:29,984 --> 00:18:32,445 And then you will build your community. 316 00:18:36,032 --> 00:18:38,201 So just come on up and take a mic. 317 00:18:40,912 --> 00:18:43,057 Would you ever say that some of your poems 318 00:18:43,081 --> 00:18:46,042 were inspired by stress or hate? 319 00:18:46,084 --> 00:18:47,460 Were you ever bullied 320 00:18:47,544 --> 00:18:49,587 by your skin color when you were younger? 321 00:18:49,671 --> 00:18:51,440 What would you say your life was like 322 00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:53,508 whenever you just felt depressed? 323 00:18:54,426 --> 00:18:56,136 If you could describe yourself 324 00:18:56,219 --> 00:18:58,221 in three words, what would it be? 325 00:19:00,724 --> 00:19:02,267 I'm okay. 326 00:19:05,311 --> 00:19:07,439 I like myself, you know, I mean... 327 00:19:08,356 --> 00:19:09,774 I'm very fortunate 328 00:19:09,858 --> 00:19:13,653 that I just don't care what people think about me. 329 00:19:13,737 --> 00:19:17,240 And I'm just incredibly fortunate about that. 330 00:19:20,618 --> 00:19:22,787 Have you ever had like a breakdown, 331 00:19:22,829 --> 00:19:26,041 or you couldn't take it anymore, where you just can't do it? 332 00:19:26,124 --> 00:19:29,461 Have you ever had a breakdown? Where you just couldn't take it? 333 00:19:43,141 --> 00:19:44,618 You gotta love people that said, 334 00:19:44,642 --> 00:19:48,355 "I don't care what it is, I'm gonna find a way to smile." 335 00:19:52,067 --> 00:19:53,627 And I know that there are people that try 336 00:19:53,651 --> 00:19:56,071 to laugh at those Negros, that try to laugh... 337 00:19:56,112 --> 00:19:57,757 "Oh, they didn't know what they were doing." 338 00:19:57,781 --> 00:19:59,824 They knew that they had to stay sane 339 00:19:59,866 --> 00:20:01,326 and that they had to love. 340 00:20:01,368 --> 00:20:03,286 I think Black people are wonderful. 341 00:20:03,328 --> 00:20:05,288 They're great people. 342 00:20:05,330 --> 00:20:07,916 And I think it's time that we recognize that. 343 00:20:12,212 --> 00:20:14,673 That's the way I look at the history. 344 00:20:14,756 --> 00:20:17,676 But I'm just a poet, nobody listened to me. 345 00:20:19,636 --> 00:20:20,679 That's the truth. 346 00:20:21,888 --> 00:20:24,349 But that's why the new book is called A Good Cry, 347 00:20:24,391 --> 00:20:27,352 because I'm learning to let it go. I don't... 348 00:20:27,394 --> 00:20:29,521 I don't have to be strong or brave. 349 00:20:30,063 --> 00:20:31,815 I don't have to... 350 00:20:31,856 --> 00:20:34,192 I don't have to do anything for anybody. 351 00:20:34,234 --> 00:20:36,653 I educated my son, I paid for my house, 352 00:20:36,695 --> 00:20:37,612 my car is paid for. 353 00:20:37,696 --> 00:20:39,614 I can live my life as I fucking well please. 354 00:20:39,698 --> 00:20:42,450 So if I wanna cry, I can do that too. 355 00:21:04,597 --> 00:21:06,016 VIRGINIA "GINNEY" FOWLER: All right. 356 00:21:11,563 --> 00:21:13,106 Shame on you. 357 00:21:13,189 --> 00:21:14,941 - Jealous dog. - Tell Zena. 358 00:21:15,025 --> 00:21:16,860 I will. Stay! 359 00:21:16,901 --> 00:21:18,236 - Cleo. - Stay. 360 00:21:18,319 --> 00:21:20,739 Cleo... 361 00:21:26,911 --> 00:21:28,329 Get over here. 362 00:21:33,543 --> 00:21:34,895 Hey, Nikki. How are you doing? 363 00:21:34,919 --> 00:21:38,298 I'm fine, Tom. How are you? 364 00:21:38,381 --> 00:21:40,925 I'm great. It's great to hear your voice. 365 00:21:41,009 --> 00:21:43,303 Well, I was calling because I've been doing 366 00:21:43,386 --> 00:21:44,637 some research on "Encore." 367 00:21:44,721 --> 00:21:47,015 Because I'm thinking about possibly doing something 368 00:21:47,098 --> 00:21:48,058 about the magazine... 369 00:21:48,099 --> 00:21:49,493 - Oh. - And its impact, 370 00:21:49,517 --> 00:21:51,495 but I'm trying to speak to all the contributors also. 371 00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:54,773 Right now, Tom, and I'm not... I hate to say this, 372 00:21:54,814 --> 00:21:56,775 because it always sounds like I don't care. 373 00:21:56,816 --> 00:22:00,945 But I've had a seizure and I know who I am. 374 00:22:01,029 --> 00:22:03,239 Though they gave me a bracelet and I wear it, 375 00:22:03,323 --> 00:22:05,700 and it says who Nikki is, just in case I get lost. 376 00:22:05,784 --> 00:22:08,370 But a lot of things I don't remember. 377 00:22:08,453 --> 00:22:09,704 I remember the magazine 378 00:22:09,788 --> 00:22:12,457 and it was wonderful, and I think it was good. 379 00:22:12,540 --> 00:22:14,668 - So I don't know... - Okay. Okay. 380 00:22:15,585 --> 00:22:17,754 That I'm gonna be all that helpful. 381 00:22:18,797 --> 00:22:20,298 Oh, I think you would be great. 382 00:22:20,382 --> 00:22:22,759 I mean as much as you can contribute with, uh, 383 00:22:22,801 --> 00:22:24,719 - would mean a great deal to me. - Well... 384 00:22:24,803 --> 00:22:27,138 But I understand your health situation. 385 00:22:27,222 --> 00:22:28,699 - So I really do understand that. - Well... 386 00:22:28,723 --> 00:22:30,883 I don't want you to think I'm being insensitive... 387 00:22:30,934 --> 00:22:31,893 No, no, no. 388 00:22:31,935 --> 00:22:32,811 And not understand. 389 00:22:32,894 --> 00:22:35,355 And if there's anything I can help you with, 390 00:22:35,438 --> 00:22:37,982 you know, don't hesitate to let me know. 391 00:22:38,066 --> 00:22:39,919 Thank you so much for giving me a call back. 392 00:22:39,943 --> 00:22:43,446 Well, you take care and tell all your folks I said hello. 393 00:22:43,488 --> 00:22:45,782 - I will. Take care. Bye. - Okey-doke, bye-bye. 394 00:22:53,331 --> 00:22:55,291 A seizure is a seizure. 395 00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:57,293 I'm only gonna come back so much. 396 00:22:59,129 --> 00:23:02,257 You have to recognize... Well, there's a limit 397 00:23:02,340 --> 00:23:03,675 to what you can do. 398 00:23:10,849 --> 00:23:12,767 "This is what I think. 399 00:23:12,851 --> 00:23:15,395 I have been blessed with a poor memory." 400 00:23:16,896 --> 00:23:19,691 "I have forgotten crazy night sweats. 401 00:23:19,733 --> 00:23:21,693 I have forgotten crying. 402 00:23:23,028 --> 00:23:24,696 I don't remember my anger 403 00:23:24,779 --> 00:23:27,615 at witnessing the face of Emmett Till..." 404 00:23:27,699 --> 00:23:31,619 "nor my fear 405 00:23:31,703 --> 00:23:34,664 when four little girls were murdered one Sunday." 406 00:24:31,054 --> 00:24:33,223 What murdered these... 407 00:24:34,849 --> 00:24:36,059 four girls? 408 00:24:37,602 --> 00:24:38,937 Look around. 409 00:24:40,855 --> 00:24:45,652 You will see that many people that you never thought about 410 00:24:46,319 --> 00:24:47,696 participated... 411 00:24:49,155 --> 00:24:50,657 in this evil act. 412 00:24:58,873 --> 00:25:00,750 Modern Civil Rights Movement 413 00:25:00,792 --> 00:25:02,627 was started by the murder 414 00:25:02,669 --> 00:25:05,005 of a young man named Emmett Till. 415 00:25:08,216 --> 00:25:09,134 Ten weeks after 416 00:25:09,217 --> 00:25:11,302 Emmett Till's body in August was discovered 417 00:25:11,344 --> 00:25:13,138 Rosa Parks said, "No." 418 00:25:13,221 --> 00:25:15,515 And I wrote a poem for her. 419 00:25:18,143 --> 00:25:20,145 And I wanted to find a way to start it 420 00:25:20,186 --> 00:25:21,396 the way I thought it started. 421 00:25:21,479 --> 00:25:23,023 So actually in dealing with Mrs. Parks, 422 00:25:23,106 --> 00:25:25,316 I started, of course, with the Pullman porters. 423 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,361 Because America would be an extremely different place 424 00:25:28,445 --> 00:25:29,654 without the Pullman porters. 425 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,843 "This is for the Pullman porters who helped 426 00:25:33,867 --> 00:25:36,077 Thurgood Marshall go South and come back North 427 00:25:36,161 --> 00:25:37,521 to fight the fight that resulted in 428 00:25:37,579 --> 00:25:40,206 Brown v. Board of Education. 429 00:25:40,290 --> 00:25:42,727 This is for the Pullman porters who smiled as if they were happy 430 00:25:42,751 --> 00:25:44,169 and laughed like they were tickled 431 00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:45,545 when some folks were around. 432 00:25:47,130 --> 00:25:49,233 This is for the Pullman porters who smiled and welcomed 433 00:25:49,257 --> 00:25:52,594 a 14-year-old boy onto their train in 1955. 434 00:25:52,635 --> 00:25:54,971 They noticed his slight limp that he tried to disguise 435 00:25:55,055 --> 00:25:56,097 with a doo-wop walk. 436 00:25:56,181 --> 00:25:58,808 They noticed his stutter and probably understood 437 00:25:58,850 --> 00:26:00,202 why his mother wanted him out of Chicago 438 00:26:00,226 --> 00:26:02,187 during the summer when school was out. 439 00:26:02,270 --> 00:26:04,606 Fourteen-year-old Black boys with limps and stutters 440 00:26:04,647 --> 00:26:06,983 are apt to try to prove themselves in dangerous ways 441 00:26:07,025 --> 00:26:08,985 when mothers aren't around to look after them. 442 00:26:09,027 --> 00:26:10,612 So this is for the Pullman porters 443 00:26:10,695 --> 00:26:12,238 who looked over that 14-year-old 444 00:26:12,322 --> 00:26:14,908 while the train rolled the reverse of Blues Highway. 445 00:26:14,991 --> 00:26:17,869 From Chicago to St. Louis, to Memphis, to Mississippi. 446 00:26:17,911 --> 00:26:20,163 This is for the men who kept him safe. 447 00:26:21,539 --> 00:26:24,709 And if Emmett Till had been able to stay on that train all summer 448 00:26:24,751 --> 00:26:26,670 he would have maybe grown a bit of a paunch, 449 00:26:26,711 --> 00:26:29,756 certainly lost his hair, probably have worn bifocals, 450 00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:31,966 and bounced his grandchildren on his knee. 451 00:26:32,050 --> 00:26:34,386 Telling them about his summer riding the rails. 452 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,597 But he had to get off that train. 453 00:26:37,681 --> 00:26:39,849 And ended up in Money, Mississippi. 454 00:26:40,767 --> 00:26:43,770 And was horribly, brutally, inexcusably, 455 00:26:43,853 --> 00:26:45,689 and unacceptably murdered." 456 00:26:53,154 --> 00:26:54,874 "This is for the Pullman porters who, 457 00:26:54,906 --> 00:26:57,575 when the sheriff was trying to get that body secretly buried, 458 00:26:57,617 --> 00:26:59,661 got Emmet's body on the northbound train. 459 00:26:59,744 --> 00:27:01,579 Got his body home to Chicago 460 00:27:01,663 --> 00:27:04,457 where his mother said, 'I want the world to see 461 00:27:04,541 --> 00:27:06,793 what they did to my boy.' 462 00:27:08,795 --> 00:27:11,923 And this is for all the mothers who cried. 463 00:27:11,965 --> 00:27:16,261 And this is for all the people who said, 'Never again.' 464 00:27:16,344 --> 00:27:20,682 And it was Mrs. Rosa Parks who could not stand that death. 465 00:27:20,765 --> 00:27:23,101 And in not being able to stand it, 466 00:27:23,184 --> 00:27:25,687 she sat back down." 467 00:27:36,948 --> 00:27:38,533 "The women gather 468 00:27:38,575 --> 00:27:41,411 because it is not unusual to seek comfort 469 00:27:41,453 --> 00:27:43,371 in our hours of stress. 470 00:27:43,455 --> 00:27:47,459 It is not unusual that the old bury the young. 471 00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:49,836 Though it is an abomination. 472 00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:52,172 It is not strange that the unwise 473 00:27:52,255 --> 00:27:55,675 and the ungentle carry the banner of humaneness 474 00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:58,636 though it is a castration of the spirit. 475 00:27:58,678 --> 00:28:01,348 The women gathered with cloth and ointments, 476 00:28:01,431 --> 00:28:04,726 their busy hands bowing to laws that decree. 477 00:28:04,809 --> 00:28:07,687 Willows shall stand swaying but unbroken 478 00:28:07,771 --> 00:28:10,815 against even the determined wind of death." 479 00:28:30,502 --> 00:28:32,754 My pretty girl... 480 00:28:32,837 --> 00:28:35,840 Hey! 481 00:28:35,924 --> 00:28:37,634 I like that. So, how are you? 482 00:28:37,676 --> 00:28:38,986 - Doing good. How are you? - Good. 483 00:28:39,010 --> 00:28:40,770 - I'm hanging in there. - How's Ginney doing? 484 00:28:40,845 --> 00:28:44,641 She's doing pretty good. She's not with me, um... 485 00:28:44,683 --> 00:28:46,810 Actually, Ginney's not the problem right now 486 00:28:46,851 --> 00:28:48,287 I'm pretty much the problem right now. 487 00:28:48,311 --> 00:28:50,647 So, we're not, you know, doing a big deal with it, 488 00:28:50,689 --> 00:28:53,566 but I'm having surgery on the 21st. 489 00:28:53,650 --> 00:28:55,193 - What's happening? - Oh... 490 00:28:55,235 --> 00:28:57,338 - Do you wanna not talk about it? - No, I mean, it's not a big... 491 00:28:57,362 --> 00:28:59,447 I'm not gonna announce it, but you know, uh... 492 00:28:59,531 --> 00:29:02,158 Uh, it probably is a cancer, 493 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,161 but it's a... You know, like, what do you call it? 494 00:29:05,203 --> 00:29:08,456 A breast... You know, a thing in the breast. 495 00:29:08,540 --> 00:29:10,000 So, she's just gonna take it out. 496 00:29:10,041 --> 00:29:11,876 - Why take a chance? - Why take a chance. 497 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,796 Yeah, and having had lung cancer, 498 00:29:14,879 --> 00:29:16,548 you know, they took the left lung out. 499 00:29:16,631 --> 00:29:18,508 So, you don't wanna, you know... 500 00:29:18,550 --> 00:29:19,884 Dr. Abrams's like, 501 00:29:19,968 --> 00:29:22,554 "Oh, you know, you'll be able to go home the same night." 502 00:29:22,595 --> 00:29:24,973 I said, "Sweetie, this is my tit. 503 00:29:25,056 --> 00:29:27,434 If it was your tit, maybe you go home the same night. 504 00:29:27,517 --> 00:29:29,185 My tit, I'm going to stay." 505 00:29:30,979 --> 00:29:32,439 I see my granddaughter. 506 00:29:34,566 --> 00:29:35,525 Hey! 507 00:29:35,567 --> 00:29:37,819 - Hey. Well, looky here. Ah! - Hey. 508 00:29:39,571 --> 00:29:41,156 - How are you? - Good. 509 00:29:41,239 --> 00:29:43,366 Good. How did she get to be this tall? 510 00:29:43,408 --> 00:29:45,011 She's almost your height. 511 00:29:45,035 --> 00:29:47,430 When are we gonna get those folks to let you come down 512 00:29:47,454 --> 00:29:50,957 so you can learn how to play bid whist and fry some chicken? 513 00:29:51,041 --> 00:29:52,751 I haven't seen you since 514 00:29:52,834 --> 00:29:54,336 - Las Vegas. - Yeah. 515 00:29:54,419 --> 00:29:56,921 No. We saw... One time when we had dinner. 516 00:29:57,005 --> 00:29:59,591 Remember? You came by. We had dinner one time. 517 00:29:59,632 --> 00:30:02,093 - But yeah. It's been a while. - I've had a... 518 00:30:02,177 --> 00:30:03,928 - It's been a long time. - It has. 519 00:30:03,970 --> 00:30:05,805 It really has, yeah! 520 00:30:05,889 --> 00:30:07,974 I wanna say a couple of things before I forget 521 00:30:08,058 --> 00:30:09,142 'cause my mind's not good. 522 00:30:09,225 --> 00:30:11,019 Well, it's not, and I have to recognize that. 523 00:30:11,102 --> 00:30:12,771 And I don't mean to embarrass him 524 00:30:12,812 --> 00:30:14,230 or anything, but it's a pleasure 525 00:30:14,272 --> 00:30:17,776 that my son has joined me this evening, Thomas Giovanni. 526 00:30:19,903 --> 00:30:23,656 And my very lovely granddaughter, Kai. 527 00:30:23,740 --> 00:30:25,450 Yay. 528 00:30:25,533 --> 00:30:27,994 The book is A Good Cry and I learned to cry. 529 00:30:28,078 --> 00:30:29,555 And probably the only person in this room 530 00:30:29,579 --> 00:30:30,872 that understands that is Thomas, 531 00:30:30,955 --> 00:30:32,850 'cause I don't think Thomas has ever seen me cry, 532 00:30:32,874 --> 00:30:34,542 because I always made a point of not to. 533 00:30:34,626 --> 00:30:36,961 Some of the folks may know, some of them may not know, 534 00:30:37,003 --> 00:30:40,173 that you have "dreams" of going to outer space... 535 00:30:40,256 --> 00:30:42,717 is the wrong word. You have an imperative. 536 00:30:42,801 --> 00:30:43,968 Tell them why. 537 00:30:44,010 --> 00:30:45,613 Well, you know, so again, I hate to say it, but... 538 00:30:45,637 --> 00:30:47,764 No, I don't hate to say it, but we're Black women. 539 00:30:47,806 --> 00:30:49,974 If this... coming to this country... 540 00:30:50,058 --> 00:30:53,311 wasn't an alien situation, 541 00:30:53,353 --> 00:30:56,731 being forced to have sex with aliens, 542 00:30:56,815 --> 00:30:59,317 having to learn... 543 00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:00,359 We did. 544 00:31:00,402 --> 00:31:03,154 They were screwing us and what we did was, 545 00:31:03,238 --> 00:31:06,825 whatever they put in us, we... we held it, 546 00:31:06,908 --> 00:31:08,284 and then we birthed it, 547 00:31:08,326 --> 00:31:10,870 and then we named it, and we loved it. 548 00:31:10,954 --> 00:31:13,081 Why wouldn't we do that in Mars? 549 00:31:13,164 --> 00:31:15,000 Why wouldn't we do that in Jupiter? 550 00:31:15,083 --> 00:31:17,961 Why wouldn't... why wouldn't that same energy, 551 00:31:18,003 --> 00:31:21,047 that same love, that brought us here 552 00:31:21,131 --> 00:31:25,135 and helped us to make this a potentially great place, 553 00:31:25,176 --> 00:31:27,012 why wouldn't that same energy work? Of course. 554 00:31:58,376 --> 00:32:01,046 When they came to these shores, 555 00:32:01,129 --> 00:32:03,882 they maintained a humane quality. 556 00:32:03,965 --> 00:32:05,425 And it's been a phenomenon. 557 00:32:07,552 --> 00:32:10,388 These people decided to fight a war with a song. 558 00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:13,266 They decided to fight a cultural war. 559 00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:14,392 With love. 560 00:32:24,652 --> 00:32:26,654 When we go to Mars, it's the same thing. 561 00:32:26,738 --> 00:32:29,324 It's Middle Passage. When the rocket red glares, 562 00:32:29,407 --> 00:32:31,284 the astronauts will be able to see themselves 563 00:32:31,368 --> 00:32:34,245 pull away from Earth. As the ship goes deeper, 564 00:32:34,287 --> 00:32:36,081 they will see a sparkle of blue. 565 00:32:36,164 --> 00:32:39,167 And then one day, not only will they not see Earth, 566 00:32:39,250 --> 00:32:40,585 they won't know which way to look. 567 00:32:40,669 --> 00:32:43,296 And that's why NASA needs to call Black America. 568 00:32:43,380 --> 00:32:46,591 They need to ask us, "How did you calm your fears?" 569 00:32:50,303 --> 00:32:52,180 "How were you able to decide you were human 570 00:32:52,263 --> 00:32:54,224 even when everything said you were not?" 571 00:32:54,265 --> 00:32:57,352 "How did you find the comfort in the face of the improbable? 572 00:32:57,435 --> 00:32:59,479 To make the world you came to, your world?" 573 00:33:01,356 --> 00:33:04,609 "How was your soul able to look back and wonder?" 574 00:33:15,286 --> 00:33:16,597 The first thing that's gonna happen 575 00:33:16,621 --> 00:33:19,457 in Middle Passage, is the spiritual. 576 00:33:19,499 --> 00:33:21,960 Because it's gonna give us the spirit to go forward. 577 00:33:22,002 --> 00:33:23,044 It's gonna be that... 578 00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:29,134 We didn't have any language that was universal. 579 00:33:29,217 --> 00:33:32,137 So the only thing that's gonna be universal, 580 00:33:32,178 --> 00:33:36,307 the only thing that can be spoken is gonna be music. 581 00:33:36,391 --> 00:33:38,768 And who's going to communicate with them? 582 00:33:38,810 --> 00:33:39,936 Who's gonna say, 583 00:33:39,978 --> 00:33:41,938 "Somehow we're gonna make it through." 584 00:33:41,980 --> 00:33:43,481 Has to be a woman. 585 00:33:43,565 --> 00:33:45,584 'Cause it was your grandmother. When things went wrong, 586 00:33:45,608 --> 00:33:48,445 it was your grandmother that said, "It'll be all right." 587 00:33:57,412 --> 00:33:58,806 It's often true, I think, 588 00:33:58,830 --> 00:34:00,540 that there is one person in a family 589 00:34:00,623 --> 00:34:02,584 who gets it, who understands that this child 590 00:34:02,667 --> 00:34:04,419 is a little different, but she's a writer. 591 00:34:04,502 --> 00:34:06,314 And it's my understanding that your grandmother 592 00:34:06,338 --> 00:34:08,505 was that person in your family for you. 593 00:34:08,547 --> 00:34:10,483 Yeah, can we talk a little bit about your grandmother? 594 00:34:10,507 --> 00:34:11,217 Yeah. 595 00:34:11,301 --> 00:34:12,719 And we got tissues, so you can cry 596 00:34:12,802 --> 00:34:13,882 all you want to. It's okay. 597 00:34:13,928 --> 00:34:16,848 You know, I still remember grandmother's phone number. 598 00:34:16,931 --> 00:34:18,350 It's 3-1-5-9-3. 599 00:34:18,850 --> 00:34:20,268 Um... 600 00:34:20,351 --> 00:34:22,062 - Yeah. - Yeah. 601 00:34:22,145 --> 00:34:24,039 I just don't... I don't know where we'd be without... 602 00:34:24,063 --> 00:34:26,107 without the grandmothers, period. 603 00:34:26,190 --> 00:34:27,984 Not just mine, one of the... 604 00:34:28,025 --> 00:34:30,195 You know, you're not that much younger, 605 00:34:30,277 --> 00:34:33,656 but you'd look at Civil Rights just a smidgen different. 606 00:34:33,697 --> 00:34:34,574 But one of the things 607 00:34:34,657 --> 00:34:36,701 that definitely happened to people my age 608 00:34:36,784 --> 00:34:38,661 is that we had choices. 609 00:34:38,703 --> 00:34:43,541 We could tell our grandmothers we can't do it. 610 00:34:43,583 --> 00:34:46,168 - Mm-hmm. - Or we could change the world. 611 00:34:46,210 --> 00:34:47,712 It was way easier 612 00:34:47,754 --> 00:34:49,474 to change the world. 613 00:34:49,547 --> 00:34:51,132 It was. 614 00:34:55,011 --> 00:34:56,971 The new Rich's 615 00:34:57,054 --> 00:35:00,183 opening Monday, August 29 in Knoxville. 616 00:35:07,273 --> 00:35:08,876 And I never liked to picket, you know. 617 00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:11,277 I mean, some people got really high off of picketing. 618 00:35:11,361 --> 00:35:13,571 All of that stuff scared the crap out of me. 619 00:35:17,701 --> 00:35:20,912 But the day that the kids were bombed in Birmingham. 620 00:35:20,995 --> 00:35:22,455 Right? And that was a Sunday. 621 00:35:22,539 --> 00:35:24,916 'Cause in a way, the Birmingham bombing was war. 622 00:35:28,420 --> 00:35:31,548 And all of the old women... that's when adults were adults... 623 00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:34,009 all of the old women and men went to churches 624 00:35:34,092 --> 00:35:35,135 all over Knoxville, 625 00:35:35,218 --> 00:35:36,696 and they were trying to decide what to do 626 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:38,138 and they decided to picket. 627 00:35:39,973 --> 00:35:41,213 And once you came in the house, 628 00:35:41,266 --> 00:35:42,451 Grandmother had one of those looks. 629 00:35:42,475 --> 00:35:44,936 And she said "Nikki" and I thought, "Uh-huh." 630 00:35:45,020 --> 00:35:47,272 I recognized the tone. 631 00:35:47,355 --> 00:35:50,608 She said, "Nikki, we decided we're going to picket." 632 00:35:50,650 --> 00:35:52,628 And I said, "Yes, Grandmother." 'Cause that was the answer. 633 00:35:52,652 --> 00:35:53,570 Then she said, 634 00:35:53,611 --> 00:35:56,239 "And they called for volunteers," and I said... 635 00:35:56,281 --> 00:35:57,758 "...Yes, Grandmother." 636 00:35:57,782 --> 00:35:59,993 She said, "And I told them John Brown and I..." 637 00:36:00,076 --> 00:36:02,912 'Cause that's my grandfather. "John Brown and I were too old, 638 00:36:02,954 --> 00:36:06,374 but my granddaughter was here." 639 00:36:06,458 --> 00:36:07,935 I did mention, I said, "Does Mommy know" 640 00:36:07,959 --> 00:36:09,239 you're trying to get me killed?" 641 00:36:09,294 --> 00:36:10,938 But she gave me a hug 642 00:36:10,962 --> 00:36:12,047 and thought I was kidding. 643 00:36:15,342 --> 00:36:17,594 ♪ Go, go, go Go, go, go Bulldogs ♪ 644 00:36:17,635 --> 00:36:20,430 ♪ Go, go, go Go, go, go Bulldogs ♪ 645 00:36:20,472 --> 00:36:23,433 ♪ Go, go, go Go, go, go Bulldogs ♪ 646 00:36:23,475 --> 00:36:26,936 ♪ Go, go, go Go, go, go Bulldogs ♪ 647 00:36:40,408 --> 00:36:42,285 I went to Fisk. 648 00:36:42,327 --> 00:36:44,913 I was there with John Lewis and Diane Nash. 649 00:36:46,498 --> 00:36:48,333 We sat in, in Nashville. 650 00:36:49,959 --> 00:36:54,005 I asked a waitress for a hamburger and a Coke. 651 00:36:54,089 --> 00:36:55,674 I said, "I'm sorry, our management 652 00:36:55,715 --> 00:36:58,426 does not allow us to serve niggers in here." 653 00:37:00,303 --> 00:37:02,555 In the winter and early spring of 1960, 654 00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:05,183 the efforts of Nashville's Negro college students 655 00:37:05,225 --> 00:37:07,185 had led to the integration of lunch counters 656 00:37:07,227 --> 00:37:09,688 at six department and variety stores. 657 00:37:09,771 --> 00:37:11,648 But they were still excluded from eating 658 00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:14,234 at the city's downtown drug stores and restaurants, 659 00:37:14,317 --> 00:37:16,403 train depot, and the bus stop... 660 00:37:25,036 --> 00:37:26,847 You enrolled twice. 661 00:37:26,871 --> 00:37:29,541 The first time you were expelled after a run-in 662 00:37:29,582 --> 00:37:31,876 with the conservative dean of women. 663 00:37:31,918 --> 00:37:34,045 Your grandmother was very much in your corner, 664 00:37:34,087 --> 00:37:35,171 but Fisk didn't really care 665 00:37:35,213 --> 00:37:36,399 about anybody being in your corner 666 00:37:36,423 --> 00:37:37,549 and they asked you to leave. 667 00:37:37,632 --> 00:37:39,360 I wasn't really good at taking a lot of stuff. 668 00:37:39,384 --> 00:37:40,593 I think I had a lot of anger. 669 00:37:46,016 --> 00:37:47,827 Dean Cheatham and I had different visions 670 00:37:47,851 --> 00:37:51,396 of what a lady is, and what a woman should do. 671 00:37:54,315 --> 00:37:56,067 But I also realized, you know, 672 00:37:56,151 --> 00:37:58,153 all of my strengths are here up, right? 673 00:37:58,236 --> 00:37:59,404 It's all in my head, 674 00:37:59,487 --> 00:38:01,281 so that means I have to go back to school. 675 00:38:01,364 --> 00:38:03,284 Could I have enrolled at University of Cincinnati 676 00:38:03,366 --> 00:38:04,409 or something? Sure. 677 00:38:04,492 --> 00:38:06,286 But if I'm having a failure at Fisk, 678 00:38:06,369 --> 00:38:07,704 then I need to go back to Fisk. 679 00:38:07,746 --> 00:38:09,831 So I borrowed a friend's car and drove down 680 00:38:09,914 --> 00:38:11,666 and wanted to meet the dean of women. 681 00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:13,728 'Cause I figured if I couldn't get along with the dean, 682 00:38:13,752 --> 00:38:15,232 I'm not gonna make it the second time. 683 00:38:15,295 --> 00:38:17,505 So that's gonna be a waste. 684 00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:20,467 How important was John O Killens's workshop 685 00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:22,344 to you at that moment? 686 00:38:22,427 --> 00:38:23,845 John Killens had 687 00:38:23,928 --> 00:38:26,806 the first Black Arts Festival at Fisk. 688 00:38:26,890 --> 00:38:29,517 And we had LeRoi Jones, he was LeRoi Jones then. 689 00:38:29,601 --> 00:38:30,602 That's when he was, 690 00:38:30,643 --> 00:38:31,996 "Up against the wall, motherfucker. 691 00:38:32,020 --> 00:38:34,939 This is a stickup," you know? I mean we just adored him. 692 00:38:36,441 --> 00:38:38,777 Negro Digest sent David Lawrence down. 693 00:38:42,405 --> 00:38:45,784 David asked everybody to write something. 694 00:38:50,372 --> 00:38:52,123 That was my first experience in publishing, 695 00:38:52,207 --> 00:38:53,541 and I was just very lucky. 696 00:39:19,484 --> 00:39:21,277 I'm basically a city girl. 697 00:39:21,319 --> 00:39:24,155 I went to New York, I think I was 22, 698 00:39:24,197 --> 00:39:25,240 23 years old, I don't... 699 00:39:25,323 --> 00:39:26,723 I don't actually remember right now. 700 00:39:26,783 --> 00:39:29,119 I guess just '67, whatever that amounts to. 701 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,663 One of things I wanted to do, of course, was write. 702 00:39:31,705 --> 00:39:33,540 And in writing, one of the skills 703 00:39:33,623 --> 00:39:35,792 that I wanted to take to the New York experience 704 00:39:35,875 --> 00:39:37,335 was small-town skills. 705 00:39:37,419 --> 00:39:40,547 And this is like, this is when Nikki was crazy. 706 00:39:42,132 --> 00:39:43,341 My mother's a jazz fan 707 00:39:43,425 --> 00:39:45,010 and I wanted to do something for Mommy. 708 00:39:46,636 --> 00:39:47,762 New York is, you know, 709 00:39:47,846 --> 00:39:50,015 none of the clubs are open on Sunday. 710 00:39:50,682 --> 00:39:52,517 So, I went to Birdland. 711 00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:54,728 There's a guy there, Harold Logan. 712 00:39:57,731 --> 00:39:59,524 I went down and introduced myself 713 00:39:59,607 --> 00:40:01,776 and had my book and I said I'd like to, 714 00:40:01,860 --> 00:40:04,237 you know, have a book party on a Sunday 715 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,405 since you're closed anyway. 716 00:40:05,488 --> 00:40:07,365 His position was, "What do I get?" 717 00:40:07,407 --> 00:40:09,534 Because he's a businessman and he's a thug. 718 00:40:09,617 --> 00:40:11,161 And I said, "Well... 719 00:40:12,037 --> 00:40:13,788 what do you need?" 720 00:40:13,872 --> 00:40:15,558 Because I didn't have any... I didn't have any money. 721 00:40:15,582 --> 00:40:17,018 You know, it didn't matter. What do you need? 722 00:40:17,042 --> 00:40:19,961 And he said, "Okay, Giovanni." Giovanni, like that. 723 00:40:20,045 --> 00:40:22,339 He said, "Okay, Giovanni, bring me a hundred people. 724 00:40:22,380 --> 00:40:23,548 And the club is free. 725 00:40:23,590 --> 00:40:25,550 Ninety-nine people and you'll have to pay me." 726 00:40:25,592 --> 00:40:26,760 I said, "That's fair enough." 727 00:40:26,843 --> 00:40:28,362 'Cause I think I can get 100 people to do anything. 728 00:40:28,386 --> 00:40:30,055 My friend, Morgan Freeman, 729 00:40:30,096 --> 00:40:32,057 he was my next-door neighbor. Morgan read for me. 730 00:40:32,140 --> 00:40:33,808 Novella Nelson read for me. 731 00:40:33,892 --> 00:40:36,353 A bunch of people, you know. So it was gonna be fun. 732 00:40:36,394 --> 00:40:39,189 But Birdland sits, 733 00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:42,567 or at that point, it sat almost... 734 00:40:42,650 --> 00:40:44,986 What do you... Catty-cornered to the New York Times. 735 00:40:45,070 --> 00:40:47,989 So people started coming early because it was free. 736 00:40:48,073 --> 00:40:49,324 And then, the line 737 00:40:49,407 --> 00:40:51,493 went out, and then the line turned a corner. 738 00:40:51,576 --> 00:40:52,619 And by that time 739 00:40:52,702 --> 00:40:54,746 New York Times is looking down and seeing 740 00:40:54,788 --> 00:40:57,665 predominantly Black people lined up. 741 00:40:57,749 --> 00:40:59,501 So they went... they sent a reporter down 742 00:40:59,584 --> 00:41:00,669 to see what's going on. 743 00:41:00,752 --> 00:41:02,754 And finally, the reporter came up and said, 744 00:41:02,796 --> 00:41:05,340 "I'm looking for Nick Giovanni. Do you know where he is?" 745 00:41:05,423 --> 00:41:07,717 And I... "I'm Nick Giovanni." 746 00:41:07,759 --> 00:41:08,986 You know. "You're looking for me." 747 00:41:09,010 --> 00:41:11,179 "No, no, I'm looking for Nick Giovanni." 748 00:41:11,262 --> 00:41:12,222 "I'm Nikki Gio..." You know, 749 00:41:12,263 --> 00:41:13,699 it just took him a minute to realize. 750 00:41:13,723 --> 00:41:14,933 And he said, "What is this?" 751 00:41:14,974 --> 00:41:16,854 And the answer was, "Black Judgement is coming." 752 00:41:19,020 --> 00:41:21,690 If you see a first edition of that book, it's beautiful. 753 00:41:27,070 --> 00:41:27,987 But I said, well, 754 00:41:28,071 --> 00:41:29,948 who's gonna publish my poetry, right? 755 00:41:29,989 --> 00:41:32,659 Nobody. So I called my grandmother 756 00:41:32,742 --> 00:41:34,119 and I asked a few other people 757 00:41:34,202 --> 00:41:36,579 to give me a loan and I had the book published. 758 00:41:36,621 --> 00:41:39,708 I had 1,000 copies of it. So you have to sell it, right? 759 00:41:39,791 --> 00:41:42,502 And I sent five copies here, five copies there, 760 00:41:42,585 --> 00:41:43,837 asked the people to sell it. 761 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,606 They sold and, you know, you get these little checks 762 00:41:45,630 --> 00:41:46,750 for three dollars, you know? 763 00:41:50,969 --> 00:41:52,721 "Walking down Fifth Avenue 764 00:41:52,804 --> 00:41:54,472 in my bell-bottoms and Earth shoes, 765 00:41:54,514 --> 00:41:55,724 smoking a cigarette 766 00:41:55,807 --> 00:41:58,268 because I didn't know the dangers of lung cancer, 767 00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:59,811 nor the pleasures of wine. 768 00:41:59,894 --> 00:42:02,147 There was a bookstore on this corner 769 00:42:02,188 --> 00:42:03,815 and that corner. 770 00:42:03,898 --> 00:42:06,151 Life was difficult for a Black girl with no money, 771 00:42:06,234 --> 00:42:09,070 who only had a dream of talent measured by truth. 772 00:42:09,154 --> 00:42:12,449 But passing those bookstores with a confident smoke, 773 00:42:12,532 --> 00:42:16,161 there was possibility. Always the possibility." 774 00:42:22,167 --> 00:42:24,336 I was lecturing the other day 775 00:42:24,419 --> 00:42:26,004 down in this same cellar, 776 00:42:26,046 --> 00:42:28,256 and a gang of little Black boys came in. 777 00:42:28,340 --> 00:42:29,632 They held up their fists. 778 00:42:29,674 --> 00:42:33,219 Talking about Black power. I said, "Look, son, 779 00:42:33,303 --> 00:42:36,598 I'd like to straighten you out. "I said, " Black... 780 00:42:36,681 --> 00:42:39,142 is beautiful, but Black isn't power. 781 00:42:39,184 --> 00:42:40,894 Knowledge is power." 782 00:42:42,896 --> 00:42:46,274 The day that Mr. Michaux said, 783 00:42:46,358 --> 00:42:48,735 "Giovanni, you have a minute?" 784 00:42:48,818 --> 00:42:51,738 Because, you know, underneath he had that cellar 785 00:42:51,821 --> 00:42:54,366 and he had the coffee from Ghana, 786 00:42:54,407 --> 00:42:56,451 and when he asked me if I could stay, 787 00:42:56,534 --> 00:42:57,636 and have the coffee with you, 788 00:42:57,660 --> 00:42:59,013 I thought, "Oh shit, I'm important." 789 00:43:03,041 --> 00:43:07,379 Where were you on April 4th, 1968? 790 00:43:09,047 --> 00:43:11,299 I don't know. 791 00:43:11,383 --> 00:43:13,385 I know what it was. You know, Martin was killed. 792 00:43:13,426 --> 00:43:16,179 I just don't know where I was. I don't know. I'm sorry. 793 00:43:16,221 --> 00:43:18,598 But how did that day affect you? 794 00:43:22,769 --> 00:43:25,271 I'm sure it's a good question, but I'm not... 795 00:43:25,355 --> 00:43:28,233 I've already answered and I... 796 00:43:28,316 --> 00:43:29,734 I can't take it any further. 797 00:43:29,776 --> 00:43:32,112 I don't know what else to say about it. I'm sorry. 798 00:43:32,195 --> 00:43:33,238 I really am. 799 00:43:45,291 --> 00:43:47,711 "What can I, a poor Black woman, 800 00:43:47,752 --> 00:43:49,838 do to destroy America? 801 00:43:51,756 --> 00:43:54,759 This is a question with appropriate variations 802 00:43:54,801 --> 00:43:57,095 being asked in every Black heart. 803 00:43:57,721 --> 00:43:59,180 There is one answer. 804 00:43:59,723 --> 00:44:01,224 I can kill. 805 00:44:01,266 --> 00:44:05,687 There is one compromise. I can protect those who kill. 806 00:44:07,313 --> 00:44:11,735 There is one cop-out. I can encourage others to kill. 807 00:44:11,776 --> 00:44:14,487 There are no other ways. 808 00:44:14,571 --> 00:44:16,448 The assassination of Martin Luther King 809 00:44:16,531 --> 00:44:18,116 is an act of war. 810 00:44:19,659 --> 00:44:22,871 And some honky asked about the reaction. 811 00:44:22,954 --> 00:44:24,247 What do you people want? 812 00:44:24,289 --> 00:44:26,458 Isn't it enough that you killed him? 813 00:44:26,541 --> 00:44:28,585 You wanna tell me how to mourn? 814 00:44:28,626 --> 00:44:31,713 You want to determine how, I, a lover, 815 00:44:31,796 --> 00:44:34,883 should respond to the death of my beloved? 816 00:44:34,966 --> 00:44:36,509 May he rest in peace. 817 00:44:36,593 --> 00:44:40,889 May his blood choke the life of ten hundred million Whites. 818 00:44:40,972 --> 00:44:44,225 May the warriors in the streets go ever forth into the stores 819 00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:48,396 for guns and TVs, for whatever makes them happy." 820 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,291 I think the country made a mistake 821 00:44:50,315 --> 00:44:51,733 when they killed Dr. King. 822 00:44:51,816 --> 00:44:52,817 Would've been far better 823 00:44:52,901 --> 00:44:54,861 if they killed Rap Brown or myself. 824 00:44:54,944 --> 00:44:56,696 Because then they could say to Black people 825 00:44:56,780 --> 00:44:59,991 that, uh, we're preaching guns and he who preaches... 826 00:45:00,075 --> 00:45:02,535 who lives by the sword, will die by the sword. 827 00:45:02,619 --> 00:45:04,621 But they couldn't do that for Dr. King, 828 00:45:04,662 --> 00:45:06,581 because he preached love. 829 00:45:06,664 --> 00:45:09,626 And there is no possible way for them to... 830 00:45:09,668 --> 00:45:13,004 to make an excuse of Dr. King's killing. 831 00:45:13,088 --> 00:45:15,799 So, when they killed Dr. King, they just opened up the eyes 832 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,967 of a lot of Black people. 833 00:45:24,683 --> 00:45:26,059 "When I was a teenager, 834 00:45:26,142 --> 00:45:28,019 I used to sit on front porch steps 835 00:45:28,061 --> 00:45:30,814 conversing the gym teacher's son with embryonic eyes 836 00:45:30,855 --> 00:45:33,233 about the essential essence of the universe, 837 00:45:33,316 --> 00:45:36,403 recognizing the basic powerlessness of me. 838 00:45:36,486 --> 00:45:37,696 But then I went to college 839 00:45:37,779 --> 00:45:40,990 where I learned that just because everything I was 840 00:45:41,074 --> 00:45:42,075 was unreal, 841 00:45:42,158 --> 00:45:43,201 I could be real. 842 00:45:43,284 --> 00:45:45,161 And not just real through withdrawal 843 00:45:45,203 --> 00:45:46,913 and through emotional crosshairs 844 00:45:46,996 --> 00:45:49,749 or colored-bourgeois intellectual pretensions, 845 00:45:49,833 --> 00:45:52,711 but from involvement with things approaching reality. 846 00:45:52,794 --> 00:45:54,713 I could possibly have a life. 847 00:45:54,796 --> 00:45:56,172 So catatonic emotions 848 00:45:56,214 --> 00:45:58,717 and time-wasting sex games were replaced 849 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,554 with functioning commitments to logic and necessity. 850 00:46:02,595 --> 00:46:04,389 For a while, progress was made 851 00:46:04,431 --> 00:46:06,766 along with a certain degree of happiness. 852 00:46:06,850 --> 00:46:09,102 'Cause I wrote a book and found a love, 853 00:46:09,185 --> 00:46:12,397 and organized a theater and even gave some lessons, 854 00:46:12,439 --> 00:46:15,817 some lectures on Black history, and began to believe 855 00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:17,652 all good people could get together 856 00:46:17,736 --> 00:46:19,904 and win without bloodshed. 857 00:46:19,946 --> 00:46:23,908 Then Hammarskjöld was killed, and Lumumba was killed, 858 00:46:23,992 --> 00:46:26,870 and Diem was killed, and Kennedy was killed, 859 00:46:26,911 --> 00:46:29,831 and Malcolm was killed, and Evers was killed. 860 00:46:29,914 --> 00:46:32,250 And Schwerner, Chaney, and Goodman were killed, 861 00:46:32,334 --> 00:46:35,170 and King was killed, and Kennedy was killed. 862 00:46:35,253 --> 00:46:39,049 And sometimes I wonder why I didn't become a debutante 863 00:46:39,090 --> 00:46:42,302 sitting on doctors' porches, going to church all the time, 864 00:46:42,385 --> 00:46:44,971 wondering, 'is my eye makeup on straight?' 865 00:46:45,055 --> 00:46:48,892 Or a withdrawn, discoursing on the stars and the moon. 866 00:46:48,933 --> 00:46:51,269 Instead of a for real Black person 867 00:46:51,353 --> 00:46:55,273 who must now feel and inflict pain." 868 00:47:01,112 --> 00:47:03,114 But sweetheart... 869 00:47:03,198 --> 00:47:04,759 What you're saying is very, very serious. 870 00:47:04,783 --> 00:47:08,078 I'm not in the least denying it, 'cause you're perfectly right. 871 00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:09,746 I'm not being a missionary 872 00:47:09,788 --> 00:47:12,082 trying to save America. 873 00:47:13,667 --> 00:47:15,960 But I do know that... I do know that... 874 00:47:16,044 --> 00:47:18,630 we have paid too much for it to be able to abandon it. 875 00:47:19,964 --> 00:47:22,634 We can never abandon it. 876 00:47:22,676 --> 00:47:23,986 I don't think that that's a question, 877 00:47:24,010 --> 00:47:25,762 because where else are we gonna go? 878 00:47:25,804 --> 00:47:27,055 I mean, nobody else wants us. 879 00:47:27,138 --> 00:47:28,491 - But in any case... - That's the truth. 880 00:47:28,515 --> 00:47:30,725 In any case, my father and my father's father 881 00:47:30,809 --> 00:47:32,102 has paid too much for it. 882 00:47:32,143 --> 00:47:33,478 I've paid too much for it. 883 00:47:33,561 --> 00:47:34,771 - I'm only 28. - Yes, yes. 884 00:47:34,813 --> 00:47:36,231 'Cause, like, I deserve, you know, 885 00:47:36,314 --> 00:47:37,816 to do whatever I wanna do with it. 886 00:47:37,857 --> 00:47:40,860 - Mm-hmm. - You know, whatever that means. 887 00:47:40,944 --> 00:47:42,779 Well, I... personally, I'm just not interested 888 00:47:42,821 --> 00:47:44,423 in many things that people are interested in. 889 00:47:44,447 --> 00:47:47,826 I'm not interested in the president or a Congress. 890 00:47:47,909 --> 00:47:50,036 Because it's still somebody trying to run my life. 891 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,039 I'm not interested in movements and ideologies. 892 00:47:53,123 --> 00:47:54,916 I just don't give a damn. 893 00:48:04,342 --> 00:48:06,302 For the first two years I was in New York, 894 00:48:06,344 --> 00:48:07,762 I was just taking care of myself. 895 00:48:07,846 --> 00:48:11,349 But then after I had Thomas, I had responsibilities, right? 896 00:48:11,433 --> 00:48:13,518 And I didn't have a job and didn't want a job, 897 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:14,728 wasn't looking for a job, 898 00:48:14,811 --> 00:48:16,896 which meant that I had to earn a living 899 00:48:16,980 --> 00:48:19,274 from my poetry. I had to buy diapers, 900 00:48:19,357 --> 00:48:20,984 and for the first time in my life, 901 00:48:21,026 --> 00:48:22,652 I had to buy food for somebody. 902 00:48:23,611 --> 00:48:25,238 I'd be on the road, uh... 903 00:48:26,072 --> 00:48:29,868 I don't know, 48 weeks out of 52? 904 00:48:29,909 --> 00:48:32,454 And so Thomas, of course, is nomadic. 905 00:48:32,537 --> 00:48:35,206 I mean, I'm sure to some degree he felt like 906 00:48:35,248 --> 00:48:37,125 life was more on an airplane 907 00:48:37,208 --> 00:48:38,928 than anyplace else 'cause I took him with me 908 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,628 until he was able to go to school. 909 00:48:49,054 --> 00:48:51,056 "My son is so lucky. 910 00:48:51,139 --> 00:48:57,139 I had him educated, vaccinated, and gave him swimming lessons. 911 00:48:58,021 --> 00:48:59,397 He is unhappy. 912 00:49:00,231 --> 00:49:02,275 He doesn't know that's love." 913 00:49:09,741 --> 00:49:11,034 I have a son. 914 00:49:11,076 --> 00:49:13,078 So I think I have some insight into young men. 915 00:49:13,161 --> 00:49:15,413 It is a sad thing sometimes to be a Black man. 916 00:49:16,539 --> 00:49:18,917 I rode off to colleges for applications. 917 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,168 I did my little mother thing 918 00:49:20,251 --> 00:49:21,920 so that he would know what's available. 919 00:49:22,003 --> 00:49:23,797 I took him around to colleges and everything. 920 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,340 But he still did wanna go to Paris, 921 00:49:25,423 --> 00:49:26,901 because he said he wanted to find himself. 922 00:49:26,925 --> 00:49:28,093 I have to laugh at my son 923 00:49:28,176 --> 00:49:29,445 because I'm always under the impression 924 00:49:29,469 --> 00:49:32,305 you cannot find something where you didn't lose it. 925 00:49:35,058 --> 00:49:36,410 We were sitting around talking 926 00:49:36,434 --> 00:49:38,245 and I said, you know, "Have you thought about college?" 927 00:49:38,269 --> 00:49:39,521 "Well, I'm not ready." 928 00:49:39,604 --> 00:49:41,582 I said, "Tell you what, I have a counter offer here. 929 00:49:41,606 --> 00:49:44,859 How about you go to the army, or you get out of my life?" 930 00:49:44,943 --> 00:49:46,444 So... 931 00:49:46,486 --> 00:49:48,086 It worked very well. He went to the army. 932 00:49:48,113 --> 00:49:50,132 I'm very proud of him. 933 00:49:50,156 --> 00:49:52,242 I am. He's soldier of the week or something, 934 00:49:52,283 --> 00:49:55,078 I get letters from his commanding officer. 935 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,123 It's been fun. It's been great. 936 00:49:58,164 --> 00:49:59,884 Because my son grew up with a bunch of women 937 00:49:59,916 --> 00:50:01,001 and some of you all did. 938 00:50:01,084 --> 00:50:03,003 And I'm like probably any other parent. 939 00:50:03,086 --> 00:50:04,271 You know, he likes his milk glass 940 00:50:04,295 --> 00:50:05,898 chilled in the morning. So I would, you know, 941 00:50:05,922 --> 00:50:06,965 wake up in the morning 942 00:50:07,007 --> 00:50:08,275 and put his milk glass in the freezer, 943 00:50:08,299 --> 00:50:10,093 so that it would be nice and cold for him. 944 00:50:10,135 --> 00:50:12,220 He went to the army, not only was the glass not cold, 945 00:50:12,303 --> 00:50:14,305 the milk wasn't. You know? 946 00:50:14,389 --> 00:50:16,492 And that was a wonderful thing, because my son realized 947 00:50:16,516 --> 00:50:18,327 that everybody doesn't have somebody who loves them. 948 00:50:18,351 --> 00:50:20,020 Some of you don't know that even yet. 949 00:50:20,103 --> 00:50:21,663 Some of you think the world is out there 950 00:50:21,688 --> 00:50:22,480 and it's supposed to love you. 951 00:50:22,564 --> 00:50:24,190 The world doesn't really care very much. 952 00:50:24,274 --> 00:50:25,376 Some of the world is hostile. 953 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,044 But, mostly, the world doesn't give a damn. 954 00:50:27,068 --> 00:50:28,945 And it's very hard to get that across 955 00:50:28,987 --> 00:50:30,530 to those of us who are young men, 956 00:50:30,613 --> 00:50:32,657 because you actually get disappointed. 957 00:50:32,741 --> 00:50:33,992 You know, your heart is hurt 958 00:50:34,034 --> 00:50:36,411 that somebody isn't being nice to you 959 00:50:36,494 --> 00:50:37,328 or kind to you. 960 00:50:37,370 --> 00:50:39,164 Reality says you're gonna have to buck up. 961 00:50:52,927 --> 00:50:56,139 Not since Kobe, no matter what the day is. 962 00:50:56,181 --> 00:50:57,974 Oh, that's right. 963 00:50:58,016 --> 00:51:00,143 Nikki and her son were estranged 964 00:51:00,185 --> 00:51:01,644 for a number of years. 965 00:51:02,771 --> 00:51:05,774 The last couple of years, they began to... 966 00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:10,028 get back together and... 967 00:51:10,111 --> 00:51:13,615 she's crazy about having this granddaughter, 968 00:51:13,698 --> 00:51:17,243 who she's really gotten to know only in the last year or two. 969 00:51:17,327 --> 00:51:19,412 And she and her son are... 970 00:51:21,206 --> 00:51:23,541 having a friendship again. 971 00:51:23,583 --> 00:51:26,211 And that's good, 'cause now we're old and... 972 00:51:27,587 --> 00:51:30,298 who knows how long anybody will live. 973 00:51:30,382 --> 00:51:32,217 You look like Grandmother. 974 00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:33,527 I look like Grandmother? 975 00:51:33,551 --> 00:51:35,553 - Mm-hmm. - No, is that... 976 00:51:35,595 --> 00:51:37,847 No, you make... She used to make the same face 977 00:51:37,889 --> 00:51:39,325 - kinda sitting around. - Really? 978 00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:42,185 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 979 00:51:42,227 --> 00:51:44,354 Can you take a photo of me and Kai? 980 00:51:47,982 --> 00:51:49,275 If you don't mind. 981 00:51:51,778 --> 00:51:52,946 This look okay to you? 982 00:51:53,029 --> 00:51:54,489 - Yes. - My face look okay? 983 00:51:54,572 --> 00:51:56,491 Very nice. 984 00:51:56,574 --> 00:51:58,743 Tell us about the title of your book. 985 00:51:58,785 --> 00:51:59,536 I'm sorry? 986 00:51:59,577 --> 00:52:00,805 The title of your book. 987 00:52:00,829 --> 00:52:01,829 Make Me Rain? 988 00:52:01,871 --> 00:52:03,831 Yeah, and how did you come up with that? 989 00:52:03,873 --> 00:52:07,085 Actually, having Kai here, that's why I wanted a picture. 990 00:52:07,168 --> 00:52:09,129 If I'm rain, she's the blossom. 991 00:52:09,212 --> 00:52:10,672 As you get older, which, 992 00:52:10,755 --> 00:52:12,757 I'm the oldest person here, of course, 993 00:52:12,841 --> 00:52:14,300 one of the things you know 994 00:52:14,384 --> 00:52:16,386 is that you wanna leave something. 995 00:52:16,428 --> 00:52:18,054 And the only way to leave something 996 00:52:18,096 --> 00:52:19,514 is to transition it. 997 00:52:19,597 --> 00:52:21,933 And so rain is what makes that possible. 998 00:52:22,017 --> 00:52:24,602 And smile. 999 00:52:24,686 --> 00:52:26,414 - Big smile... - Yeah! 1000 00:52:27,605 --> 00:52:29,083 Don't worry about those teeth. 1001 00:52:29,107 --> 00:52:30,627 Perfect. 1002 00:52:37,365 --> 00:52:39,242 Pearl always says I didn't babysit her 1003 00:52:39,284 --> 00:52:41,004 because I'm not that much older than she is. 1004 00:52:41,077 --> 00:52:42,287 But what she forgets 1005 00:52:42,370 --> 00:52:46,124 is that the difference between 20 and 12, 1006 00:52:46,207 --> 00:52:47,375 is... it changes. 1007 00:52:47,459 --> 00:52:50,045 When you're 20 and 28, right? 1008 00:52:50,128 --> 00:52:53,465 And when you get to be 40 and 48, right? 1009 00:52:53,548 --> 00:52:54,341 It gets erased. 1010 00:52:54,424 --> 00:52:56,593 You're actually now older than I am. 1011 00:52:56,634 --> 00:52:58,636 Because... 1012 00:52:58,678 --> 00:53:00,472 Right? 1013 00:53:00,513 --> 00:53:02,640 Because she's a grandmother and I'm not. 1014 00:53:02,682 --> 00:53:04,076 And grandmothers... 1015 00:53:04,100 --> 00:53:07,771 I could go out into the street and get my head beat, right? 1016 00:53:07,812 --> 00:53:09,814 Or I could babysit 1017 00:53:09,856 --> 00:53:11,858 and be doing revolutionary duty. 1018 00:53:11,941 --> 00:53:13,318 This was a no-brainer. 1019 00:53:13,401 --> 00:53:15,153 So... 1020 00:53:18,156 --> 00:53:20,200 Detroit was the center. 1021 00:53:21,368 --> 00:53:24,204 And Reverend Cleage was very, very important. 1022 00:53:24,287 --> 00:53:27,165 Everybody knows police brutality exists. 1023 00:53:27,248 --> 00:53:29,250 For police officers to take our time, 1024 00:53:29,334 --> 00:53:31,336 to waste the time of an entire nation, 1025 00:53:31,378 --> 00:53:33,546 talking about they never heard of police brutality, 1026 00:53:33,630 --> 00:53:34,899 they don't know what Black people 1027 00:53:34,923 --> 00:53:35,757 are talking about, 1028 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,592 they can't prove it. We know in Detroit, 1029 00:53:37,676 --> 00:53:41,346 any time a Black person is brutalized by the police, 1030 00:53:41,388 --> 00:53:43,264 he goes into court and he's arrested 1031 00:53:43,348 --> 00:53:44,349 for assault and battery. 1032 00:53:44,391 --> 00:53:46,351 Now, the basic issue is so simple, 1033 00:53:46,393 --> 00:53:47,977 and nobody will even touch it, 1034 00:53:48,019 --> 00:53:49,437 because you're afraid to touch it. 1035 00:53:49,521 --> 00:53:51,690 You are deliberately trying to evade the issue. 1036 00:53:51,731 --> 00:53:54,818 Everybody... 1037 00:53:56,486 --> 00:54:02,075 And Reverend Cleage knew that he couldn't leave his kids. 1038 00:54:02,158 --> 00:54:03,368 Couldn't leave 'em alone. 1039 00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:05,870 And so he needed somebody to stay with the kids. 1040 00:54:05,912 --> 00:54:06,830 I'd laugh, but it's true. 1041 00:54:06,871 --> 00:54:09,332 I said, "I'll stay. I'll stay with 'em." 1042 00:54:09,374 --> 00:54:11,626 And, of course, you're gonna turn the lights out 1043 00:54:11,710 --> 00:54:13,430 because everybody knew where Reverend Cleage 1044 00:54:13,503 --> 00:54:16,339 and Mrs. Cleage lived. And everybody knew... 1045 00:54:17,382 --> 00:54:19,509 how to go in and shoot them. And so, 1046 00:54:19,551 --> 00:54:21,886 one of the things that Al, his name was Al, that Al knew 1047 00:54:21,928 --> 00:54:25,849 was that I was not gonna let his kids get killed. 1048 00:54:25,890 --> 00:54:29,227 During those days, of course, everybody, you know, had a gun. 1049 00:54:29,269 --> 00:54:32,063 So, uh, you just prepare to... 1050 00:54:32,147 --> 00:54:34,858 to take care of the people you're supposed to take care of. 1051 00:54:36,526 --> 00:54:39,612 I say violence is necessary. 1052 00:54:39,696 --> 00:54:42,032 Violence is a part of America's culture. 1053 00:54:42,073 --> 00:54:44,284 It is as American as cherry pie. 1054 00:54:44,367 --> 00:54:46,119 It's not us that's preaching violence. 1055 00:54:46,202 --> 00:54:48,163 It's not us that's dealing violence. 1056 00:54:48,204 --> 00:54:50,707 It's us that are being subjected to violence. 1057 00:54:53,501 --> 00:54:55,181 "Nigger, can you kill? 1058 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,047 Can you kill? 1059 00:54:58,256 --> 00:54:59,924 Can a nigger kill a honky? 1060 00:55:03,011 --> 00:55:04,929 Can a nigger kill the man? 1061 00:55:06,431 --> 00:55:08,641 Can you kill, nigger, huh? 1062 00:55:10,518 --> 00:55:13,813 Do you know how to draw blood? Can you poison? 1063 00:55:14,397 --> 00:55:15,732 Can you kill? 1064 00:55:20,445 --> 00:55:23,782 Can you run a Protestant down with your '68 El Dorado? 1065 00:55:24,699 --> 00:55:26,034 Can you kill? 1066 00:55:26,117 --> 00:55:30,246 Can you piss on a blonde head? Can you cut it off? 1067 00:55:30,288 --> 00:55:32,624 Can you kill the nigger in you? 1068 00:55:33,583 --> 00:55:34,834 A nigger can die. 1069 00:55:34,918 --> 00:55:36,961 We ain't got to prove we can die. 1070 00:55:37,045 --> 00:55:39,506 We got to prove we can kill. 1071 00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:41,800 We killed in Vietnam for them. 1072 00:55:41,883 --> 00:55:45,637 We kill for UN and NATO, and SEATO and US, 1073 00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:49,349 and everywhere for all alphabet but Black. 1074 00:55:50,433 --> 00:55:53,395 Can we learn to kill White for Black? 1075 00:55:53,478 --> 00:55:58,149 Learn to kill, niggers. Learn to be Black men." 1076 00:56:57,042 --> 00:56:58,835 I like football. 1077 00:56:59,878 --> 00:57:02,672 And when I watch the young men, I watch Colin, 1078 00:57:02,714 --> 00:57:05,467 and then we watch the others, and they're takin' a knee. 1079 00:57:05,550 --> 00:57:09,179 Any man that gets on his knee, 1080 00:57:09,220 --> 00:57:12,515 we know that's an act of love. 1081 00:57:12,557 --> 00:57:15,435 We know that. We know that. 1082 00:57:15,518 --> 00:57:16,561 They are on their knee, 1083 00:57:16,644 --> 00:57:18,122 and they're saying to the Constitution, 1084 00:57:18,146 --> 00:57:19,356 "Do you love me?" 1085 00:57:19,397 --> 00:57:20,565 How wonderful 1086 00:57:20,607 --> 00:57:23,360 that they are saying "I love you. 1087 00:57:23,401 --> 00:57:27,197 Now you have to love me back." 1088 00:57:27,238 --> 00:57:28,948 But I think the most important thing 1089 00:57:29,032 --> 00:57:29,908 that we have to do now 1090 00:57:29,991 --> 00:57:32,369 is take the guns away from policemen. 1091 00:57:34,913 --> 00:57:36,915 And I know, some of you say "Oh, Nikki, 1092 00:57:36,998 --> 00:57:38,750 if we take the guns away from the policemen, 1093 00:57:38,792 --> 00:57:40,001 the policemen will get shot." 1094 00:57:40,085 --> 00:57:43,171 Well, yes. They will. 1095 00:57:43,254 --> 00:57:47,425 These things happen. 1096 00:57:47,509 --> 00:57:50,929 But you can't keep shooting people who are unarmed. 1097 00:57:52,263 --> 00:57:56,267 Because I'm really sick of people picking on Black men. 1098 00:58:00,105 --> 00:58:03,608 In 1983, I wrote you and you wrote me back. 1099 00:58:03,650 --> 00:58:06,778 I was in college ready to quit. 1100 00:58:06,861 --> 00:58:09,280 'Cause it was... You know, I was on a seven-year plan. 1101 00:58:09,364 --> 00:58:10,758 So I... 1102 00:58:10,782 --> 00:58:13,159 And you said, "Don't give up." 1103 00:58:13,243 --> 00:58:14,619 You told me not to give up. 1104 00:58:14,703 --> 00:58:17,831 I was at Florida A&M. I didn't give up. 1105 00:58:17,914 --> 00:58:21,042 And I'm now a teacher in Newark, New Jersey. 1106 00:58:21,126 --> 00:58:24,254 But I love you. My sister used to read me you. 1107 00:58:24,295 --> 00:58:26,214 "Nikki-Rosa." 1108 00:58:26,297 --> 00:58:27,590 I felt you. 1109 00:58:27,632 --> 00:58:30,135 'Cause I know the pains. 1110 00:58:30,176 --> 00:58:33,263 "It's not your father's drinking that makes any difference." 1111 00:58:51,698 --> 00:58:53,658 I loved tonight. It was awesome. 1112 00:58:53,742 --> 00:58:55,368 - Thank you. - Yes! 1113 00:58:55,452 --> 00:58:57,245 Thank you for being such an inspiration. 1114 00:58:57,328 --> 00:58:58,788 Oh, thank you. 1115 00:59:01,499 --> 00:59:04,169 My daughter's name is Maya Giovanni 1116 00:59:04,252 --> 00:59:05,962 after you. 1117 00:59:07,172 --> 00:59:09,841 - Thank you so much. - It's my pleasure. 1118 00:59:09,883 --> 00:59:11,152 Ms. Giovanni, I just wanna say 1119 00:59:11,176 --> 00:59:13,056 - it's an honor meeting you. - It's my pleasure. 1120 00:59:13,136 --> 00:59:15,680 I'm a poet myself. You're an inspiration to me. 1121 00:59:15,722 --> 00:59:17,265 I saw you, like, on Def Jam Poetry. 1122 00:59:17,349 --> 00:59:20,518 Now, I'm saying this, and I have to get my phone out. 1123 00:59:20,602 --> 00:59:22,228 Thank you so much. 1124 00:59:22,312 --> 00:59:25,690 I just wanna let you know that your unapologetic spirit 1125 00:59:25,774 --> 00:59:28,276 is what inspired me to do my PhD. 1126 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,904 Aw, thank you so much. 1127 00:59:30,987 --> 00:59:33,740 I've been following you a long time. I love you. 1128 00:59:33,823 --> 00:59:36,201 Well, thank you. 1129 00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:52,717 "I used to dream militant dreams 1130 00:59:52,801 --> 00:59:55,220 of taking over America 1131 00:59:55,261 --> 00:59:57,389 to show these White folks how it should be done. 1132 00:59:57,430 --> 01:00:01,518 I used to dream radical dreams of blowing everyone away 1133 01:00:01,601 --> 01:00:05,105 with my perceptive powers of correct analysis. 1134 01:00:05,188 --> 01:00:09,401 I even used to think I'd be the one to stop the riot 1135 01:00:09,484 --> 01:00:11,319 and negotiate the peace." 1136 01:00:19,869 --> 01:00:21,705 In the evolution of your career, 1137 01:00:21,746 --> 01:00:23,289 there's an irony that as you became 1138 01:00:23,373 --> 01:00:26,376 more radicalized, you work became more popular. 1139 01:00:26,418 --> 01:00:29,546 - Do you agree? - No. 1140 01:00:29,587 --> 01:00:31,631 There is some really strong 1141 01:00:31,715 --> 01:00:34,134 revolutionary poetry such as, "Can You Kill." 1142 01:00:34,217 --> 01:00:36,094 - What has changed? - I've gotten older. 1143 01:00:36,136 --> 01:00:37,905 - Have you? - Sure. 1144 01:00:37,929 --> 01:00:39,198 - You... - Haven't we all? 1145 01:00:39,222 --> 01:00:40,741 You see, you have a poem that begins 1146 01:00:40,765 --> 01:00:42,308 "I used to dream militant dreams." 1147 01:00:42,392 --> 01:00:43,494 Yeah, "of taking over." 1148 01:00:43,518 --> 01:00:44,978 But you don't anymore? 1149 01:00:45,061 --> 01:00:46,354 The poem ends though, 1150 01:00:46,438 --> 01:00:49,357 "I awoke, and that if I dream natural dreams..." 1151 01:00:49,441 --> 01:00:51,776 of being a natural woman, 1152 01:00:51,818 --> 01:00:54,988 doing what a woman does when she is natural, 1153 01:00:55,071 --> 01:00:59,117 I would have a revolution." 1154 01:01:14,132 --> 01:01:16,402 There are people who express some disappointment 1155 01:01:16,426 --> 01:01:18,345 that you've changed. How do you react to that? 1156 01:01:18,428 --> 01:01:19,346 I'm real sorry, 1157 01:01:19,429 --> 01:01:21,598 but I think that my responsibility in my life 1158 01:01:21,639 --> 01:01:22,891 is to grow. 1159 01:01:41,034 --> 01:01:42,470 In Washington today, 1160 01:01:42,494 --> 01:01:44,894 Jesse Jackson joined the list of prominent Americans arrested 1161 01:01:44,954 --> 01:01:46,956 in anti-apartheid protests. 1162 01:01:48,541 --> 01:01:50,877 Harry Belafonte, Senator Lowell Weicker, 1163 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,837 and Gloria Steinem have something in common. 1164 01:01:52,879 --> 01:01:54,881 They are but a few of the hundreds of Americans 1165 01:01:54,964 --> 01:01:56,841 who have been arrested for demonstrating 1166 01:01:56,883 --> 01:01:58,343 against South African apartheid. 1167 01:02:00,970 --> 01:02:04,224 Nikki Giovanni is strongly opposed to apartheid 1168 01:02:04,307 --> 01:02:07,018 but scornful of the demonstrations. 1169 01:02:07,060 --> 01:02:09,979 I think it's really cheap that you go over there at 4:15. 1170 01:02:10,021 --> 01:02:11,856 You're arrested by quarter to five. 1171 01:02:11,898 --> 01:02:13,817 You're taken down to the police station. 1172 01:02:13,858 --> 01:02:15,860 You're booked maybe 5:30. 1173 01:02:15,902 --> 01:02:18,196 You're home in time for The Joker's Wild. 1174 01:02:18,238 --> 01:02:20,490 You haven't even missed your favorite TV show. 1175 01:02:21,991 --> 01:02:24,911 Our protests and the protests of so many 1176 01:02:24,994 --> 01:02:27,163 that represents the leadership voice in this country 1177 01:02:27,205 --> 01:02:29,708 and who have come down to Washington to demonstrate, 1178 01:02:29,749 --> 01:02:31,209 to lend themselves to being arrested. 1179 01:02:31,292 --> 01:02:34,379 I've done a lot to bring Africa, South Africa particularly, 1180 01:02:34,421 --> 01:02:36,548 to the consciousness to the American people. 1181 01:02:37,882 --> 01:02:41,011 This is a movement right now at the top. 1182 01:02:41,052 --> 01:02:43,430 There is no bottom movement at all. 1183 01:02:43,513 --> 01:02:44,931 This is all head, no body. 1184 01:02:45,015 --> 01:02:47,100 You've got traditional Black leadership group, 1185 01:02:47,183 --> 01:02:50,103 you've got celebrity-type names. 1186 01:03:04,284 --> 01:03:06,161 I just don't see no little old church ladies, 1187 01:03:06,244 --> 01:03:07,746 I don't see the buses rolling up. 1188 01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:10,540 I don't see the community organizing. 1189 01:04:02,175 --> 01:04:05,011 "Maybe you are crushed against the wall. 1190 01:04:05,804 --> 01:04:07,555 But still I do know this. 1191 01:04:08,807 --> 01:04:10,934 You have to know who you are. 1192 01:04:11,810 --> 01:04:13,603 And you can't give up on that. 1193 01:04:17,023 --> 01:04:20,318 Or you will become what you don't want to be." 1194 01:04:28,368 --> 01:04:30,912 My father was a fool, by the way. 1195 01:04:30,995 --> 01:04:33,331 Which... He was. 1196 01:04:33,373 --> 01:04:36,334 Another reason that I know I'm not going to heaven. 1197 01:04:37,293 --> 01:04:39,004 And I'm gonna end up in hell with Gus, 1198 01:04:39,087 --> 01:04:40,272 'cause we have some things to discuss. 1199 01:04:43,216 --> 01:04:46,094 But one day the phone rang and it was Mommy. 1200 01:04:46,177 --> 01:04:49,597 And she said, "You know, Nikki. Your father's in a hospital." 1201 01:04:49,681 --> 01:04:52,517 And I knew that the next thing I had to do was to be home. 1202 01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:55,020 So I bought Mommy a house. I said we're moving. 1203 01:04:55,061 --> 01:04:57,647 And so we moved, and now we're in my house. 1204 01:04:57,689 --> 01:04:59,607 So Gus and I were having an argument. 1205 01:04:59,649 --> 01:05:01,026 He got upset and he's gonna get up 1206 01:05:01,067 --> 01:05:02,527 and I said, "Gus, 1207 01:05:02,610 --> 01:05:05,864 the floor that you're gettin' up on is my floor. 1208 01:05:05,905 --> 01:05:09,075 The chair you're leaning on is my chair." 1209 01:05:09,159 --> 01:05:11,012 And so, now he's gettin' ready to go to his bedroom 1210 01:05:11,036 --> 01:05:12,287 'cause he's angry with me. 1211 01:05:12,370 --> 01:05:16,499 And I said, "The bedroom you're going in is my bedroom. 1212 01:05:16,541 --> 01:05:20,670 The mattress you're gonna stretch out on is my mattress." 1213 01:05:20,712 --> 01:05:22,547 So now we have a conversation. 1214 01:05:22,589 --> 01:05:24,591 And I said, "Lemme tell you what's gonna happen 1215 01:05:24,674 --> 01:05:26,051 for the rest of your life. 1216 01:05:26,092 --> 01:05:28,720 You're gonna wake up in the morning 1217 01:05:28,803 --> 01:05:30,197 and you're gonna smile at this woman 1218 01:05:30,221 --> 01:05:32,057 who put up with you all of these years, 1219 01:05:32,098 --> 01:05:34,059 and you're gonna tell her how happy you were 1220 01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:35,769 that she put up with you, 1221 01:05:35,852 --> 01:05:36,936 how much you love her 1222 01:05:37,020 --> 01:05:38,300 and all that she's done for you." 1223 01:05:38,355 --> 01:05:40,190 I said, "Do you understand me? 1224 01:05:40,231 --> 01:05:43,068 You will smile and tell your wife every morning 1225 01:05:43,151 --> 01:05:45,403 you love her. Should you fail to do that, 1226 01:05:45,487 --> 01:05:48,073 I'm gonna have you put away. Do you understand me?" 1227 01:05:48,114 --> 01:05:50,575 So... 1228 01:05:50,617 --> 01:05:52,911 He knew I would too. 1229 01:05:52,994 --> 01:05:54,513 Ultimately, though, of course, he died. 1230 01:05:54,537 --> 01:05:56,331 And when he did, you knew he was gonna die. 1231 01:05:56,414 --> 01:05:58,083 So when he died, you know, we buried him. 1232 01:05:58,124 --> 01:06:00,585 And I was talking to... 1233 01:06:00,627 --> 01:06:02,307 Well, I could've thrown him in the backyard 1234 01:06:02,337 --> 01:06:03,713 and let the dogs eat him, but... 1235 01:06:21,606 --> 01:06:23,942 "Sometimes we share a poem 1236 01:06:24,025 --> 01:06:26,903 because people are near, 1237 01:06:26,945 --> 01:06:30,198 and they would notice me noticing you. 1238 01:06:30,281 --> 01:06:34,744 So I write X and you write O and we both win. 1239 01:06:36,162 --> 01:06:42,162 But always we share a poem because belief predates action. 1240 01:06:42,419 --> 01:06:46,506 And I believe the most beautiful poem ever heard 1241 01:06:47,424 --> 01:06:49,050 is your heart... 1242 01:06:49,759 --> 01:06:51,094 racing." 1243 01:06:59,978 --> 01:07:01,146 I recruited Nikki 1244 01:07:01,187 --> 01:07:03,356 to this position here at Tech. 1245 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,442 We had a program and I thought 1246 01:07:06,192 --> 01:07:08,611 she would be great with students. 1247 01:07:08,653 --> 01:07:11,156 So we put together a nomination package 1248 01:07:11,239 --> 01:07:13,950 and surprise, surprise, she accepted 1249 01:07:13,992 --> 01:07:16,494 and came here in '87. 1250 01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,122 I became interested 1251 01:07:19,164 --> 01:07:22,500 in the academic opposition to Nikki. 1252 01:07:22,584 --> 01:07:24,502 They didn't wanna give her tenure. 1253 01:07:24,586 --> 01:07:26,087 Part of what they had against her 1254 01:07:26,171 --> 01:07:28,423 is that she was a popular poet. 1255 01:07:29,007 --> 01:07:31,176 And popularity doesn't... 1256 01:07:31,259 --> 01:07:33,678 usually sit well with academics. 1257 01:07:34,971 --> 01:07:36,890 "Spring gave away to these hot days, 1258 01:07:36,973 --> 01:07:38,808 before they fell into the school bell ringing 1259 01:07:38,850 --> 01:07:40,268 and snowflakes falling. 1260 01:07:40,352 --> 01:07:43,772 I'm sure they'd cash today in to be those girls again, 1261 01:07:43,855 --> 01:07:45,190 to drive a Power Wheel outside 1262 01:07:45,273 --> 01:07:47,192 and be home when the streetlight came on." 1263 01:07:48,234 --> 01:07:49,819 I think it's one of your best pieces. 1264 01:07:49,861 --> 01:07:51,696 Thank you. I wrote it on the Megabus 1265 01:07:51,738 --> 01:07:53,031 back home to see my family. 1266 01:07:54,908 --> 01:07:56,201 And buses are to be recom... 1267 01:07:56,242 --> 01:07:58,536 I really... Don't you think it's one of her best pieces? 1268 01:07:59,996 --> 01:08:01,289 I think that we as writers, 1269 01:08:01,373 --> 01:08:04,334 as we are sharing the things that are essential, 1270 01:08:04,376 --> 01:08:07,337 that are important to us, that are important to our... 1271 01:08:07,379 --> 01:08:10,757 to our hearts, that we want to share, 1272 01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:12,092 then we share that. 1273 01:08:12,175 --> 01:08:14,552 And if somebody learns something from it, we're happy. 1274 01:08:14,636 --> 01:08:16,388 And somebody comes up to us, you know, 1275 01:08:16,429 --> 01:08:18,765 in 20 years and says, "Oh, I read your poem, 1276 01:08:18,848 --> 01:08:21,475 you know, when I was 17, and it meant so much to me." 1277 01:08:22,102 --> 01:08:23,645 You couldn't be happier. 1278 01:08:23,728 --> 01:08:27,148 But you didn't write that poem to instruct them. 1279 01:08:27,232 --> 01:08:29,274 You wrote that poem... 1280 01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:32,569 because you had something on your mind or on your heart 1281 01:08:32,612 --> 01:08:34,029 and you shared it. 1282 01:08:34,072 --> 01:08:36,366 So it's not that we use our talent 1283 01:08:36,408 --> 01:08:38,076 to tell people what to do, 1284 01:08:38,158 --> 01:08:40,662 it's that we use our vulnerability to share... 1285 01:08:41,621 --> 01:08:43,915 the love in our hearts, don't you think? 1286 01:08:45,082 --> 01:08:47,419 I really do. I really do. 1287 01:08:56,803 --> 01:09:00,348 I know that you can be with a lot of people. 1288 01:09:00,432 --> 01:09:02,934 And there's still, there's just part of you 1289 01:09:02,975 --> 01:09:05,437 that belongs to you. 1290 01:09:07,022 --> 01:09:08,857 Especially artists. 1291 01:09:10,066 --> 01:09:12,694 Because this is how you get your art done. 1292 01:09:14,069 --> 01:09:15,613 This is the price you pay. 1293 01:09:18,283 --> 01:09:19,951 I'm fortunate because I'm a poet, 1294 01:09:20,035 --> 01:09:21,618 and poets are allowed to be hopeful. 1295 01:09:21,703 --> 01:09:23,580 We are allowed to speak to the human condition 1296 01:09:23,621 --> 01:09:26,291 and we're allowed to remind people 1297 01:09:26,374 --> 01:09:28,667 that the only worthwhile endeavor 1298 01:09:28,752 --> 01:09:30,211 is another human being. 1299 01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:36,426 And we have the ability to contemplate the future 1300 01:09:36,468 --> 01:09:38,511 and to look back into the past. 1301 01:09:39,386 --> 01:09:41,055 Somebody has to think the thought 1302 01:09:41,139 --> 01:09:42,515 that has not yet been thought. 1303 01:09:45,852 --> 01:09:47,395 You have children 1304 01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:51,107 basically so that you can start somebody off where you finished. 1305 01:09:51,149 --> 01:09:52,500 - You see what I'm saying? - Yes. 1306 01:09:52,524 --> 01:09:53,919 So whether it's our literary children, 1307 01:09:53,943 --> 01:09:56,154 or our physical children, or our emotional children, 1308 01:09:56,237 --> 01:09:57,557 I want somebody to be able to say, 1309 01:09:57,614 --> 01:09:59,115 "Okay now, since Nikki learned that, 1310 01:09:59,157 --> 01:10:00,158 I can go forward." 1311 01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,202 Not to have to repeat what I did. 1312 01:10:02,285 --> 01:10:03,328 There's no point in me 1313 01:10:03,370 --> 01:10:04,662 having trod the path that I trod 1314 01:10:04,746 --> 01:10:06,998 if nobody else is gonna be able to go further. 1315 01:10:17,801 --> 01:10:19,469 Lately, I've been trying to think 1316 01:10:19,511 --> 01:10:21,763 I wonder what kind of slave I would have been. 1317 01:10:24,391 --> 01:10:26,434 Or those of us who are White, don't you wonder, 1318 01:10:26,518 --> 01:10:28,937 "What kind of slave owner would I have been? 1319 01:10:29,020 --> 01:10:30,355 Don't you? 1320 01:10:31,272 --> 01:10:33,608 You too are a part of segregation. 1321 01:10:33,692 --> 01:10:35,694 You too are a part of slavery. 1322 01:10:35,735 --> 01:10:37,570 And we wanna know... 1323 01:10:37,654 --> 01:10:40,323 what were you thinking? What were you hoping? 1324 01:10:40,365 --> 01:10:42,742 Because it's not fair to act like slavery 1325 01:10:42,826 --> 01:10:45,161 and Blackness is just us. 1326 01:10:45,203 --> 01:10:46,996 It's you too. 1327 01:10:47,038 --> 01:10:48,915 Some of it might be embarrassing. 1328 01:10:48,998 --> 01:10:51,835 But you have a story to tell because it's a part 1329 01:10:51,876 --> 01:10:54,087 of the American story. 1330 01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,764 I'm 75, which I highly recommend. 1331 01:11:07,058 --> 01:11:08,560 And I've been having trouble hearing. 1332 01:11:08,601 --> 01:11:10,395 But I'm so proud of my hearing aid. 1333 01:11:10,437 --> 01:11:13,148 So for any of you who have trouble hearing, 1334 01:11:13,231 --> 01:11:14,899 I'm gonna recommend a hearing aid. 1335 01:11:16,067 --> 01:11:17,378 It's not all that expensive. 1336 01:11:17,402 --> 01:11:19,237 And it's amazing because 1337 01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,032 if you're hearing goes bad, you know what happens? 1338 01:11:22,073 --> 01:11:23,908 You end up with dementia, 1339 01:11:23,950 --> 01:11:27,245 because a part of your brain goes to sleep. 1340 01:11:27,287 --> 01:11:28,413 And you can't, you know... 1341 01:11:28,455 --> 01:11:29,890 And then you become unpleasant to be around. 1342 01:11:29,914 --> 01:11:31,976 'Cause they're like, "Oh, I don't like to be around Grandpa, 1343 01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,227 because he keeps saying 'What?'" 1344 01:11:33,251 --> 01:11:34,878 Well, a little hearing aid. 1345 01:11:34,919 --> 01:11:36,338 See? 1346 01:11:36,421 --> 01:11:38,798 It looks great, doesn't it? 1347 01:11:38,882 --> 01:11:41,926 It does. And so I'm always either adding things. 1348 01:11:41,968 --> 01:11:42,761 I had breast cancer 1349 01:11:42,844 --> 01:11:44,929 and my doctor, my surgeon actually, 1350 01:11:44,971 --> 01:11:47,557 she said, "Well, we can take it out and you can have..." 1351 01:11:47,599 --> 01:11:49,768 you know, what is that thing, chemotherapy and stuff... 1352 01:11:49,851 --> 01:11:51,478 "Or I can just take the tit out." 1353 01:11:51,561 --> 01:11:54,439 Well, I was 74 years old. What else am I gonna do with it? 1354 01:11:57,108 --> 01:11:58,693 I've had it for ye... 1355 01:11:58,777 --> 01:12:00,528 It has done all that it's gonna do. 1356 01:12:00,612 --> 01:12:02,238 So... 1357 01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:03,656 It was like, "Yeah, take it off, 1358 01:12:03,740 --> 01:12:05,116 you know, let's get rid of that." 1359 01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:06,326 So the tit's gone. 1360 01:12:06,409 --> 01:12:08,953 So I took a tit off and I added an ear. So... 1361 01:12:13,667 --> 01:12:17,629 There had to be some kind of balance going on there. 1362 01:12:33,728 --> 01:12:35,355 "I always liked house cleaning. 1363 01:12:35,438 --> 01:12:37,857 Even as a child, I dug straightening the cabinets, 1364 01:12:37,941 --> 01:12:39,651 putting new paper on the shelves, 1365 01:12:39,693 --> 01:12:42,320 washing the refrigerator inside out, 1366 01:12:42,362 --> 01:12:43,655 and unfortunately, 1367 01:12:43,738 --> 01:12:45,949 this habit has carried over to you. 1368 01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:49,119 And I find I must remove you from my life." 1369 01:12:54,916 --> 01:12:56,501 "A fool who grins 1370 01:12:56,584 --> 01:13:00,672 at a face in the mirror and tells herself it's pretty. 1371 01:13:00,714 --> 01:13:04,676 A sentimental woman who pressed his shirts 1372 01:13:04,759 --> 01:13:07,470 and washed his dirty underwear, 1373 01:13:07,512 --> 01:13:11,599 who rubbed his back with alcohol at night. 1374 01:13:11,683 --> 01:13:16,438 I wonder why my insides don't match my outside anymore, 1375 01:13:17,355 --> 01:13:19,149 mumbling to the mirror... 1376 01:13:20,442 --> 01:13:22,027 turn off that light." 1377 01:13:31,411 --> 01:13:32,871 A sight for sore eyes. 1378 01:13:32,954 --> 01:13:36,249 - Both of you. - You're looking good. 1379 01:13:36,332 --> 01:13:37,542 Y'all didn't have to do that. 1380 01:13:37,625 --> 01:13:39,878 - Thank you so much. - Oh, you're welcome. 1381 01:13:39,919 --> 01:13:41,504 Oh, that's great, Novella. 1382 01:13:41,546 --> 01:13:43,548 Yeah, I love it too. 1383 01:13:43,631 --> 01:13:45,550 Oh, there they are. 1384 01:13:45,633 --> 01:13:48,219 What happened to me? What's the word I'm looking for? 1385 01:13:48,261 --> 01:13:49,471 What do you mean? 1386 01:13:49,554 --> 01:13:51,681 When I went out and suddenly I don't know where I am, 1387 01:13:51,723 --> 01:13:53,975 - and they int... - Intubate you? 1388 01:13:54,017 --> 01:13:54,893 Yeah, what's that? 1389 01:13:54,934 --> 01:13:56,436 Yeah, that's from respiratory failure. 1390 01:13:56,519 --> 01:13:57,896 You're not getting enough oxygen. 1391 01:13:57,937 --> 01:13:59,981 You blackout when you don't... 1392 01:14:00,065 --> 01:14:01,066 I blackout, exactly! 1393 01:14:01,107 --> 01:14:03,777 That's happened to me about four or five times. 1394 01:14:03,860 --> 01:14:05,987 - Mm-hmm. - And, um... 1395 01:14:07,405 --> 01:14:10,742 And like you, then when I... when I wake up, 1396 01:14:10,784 --> 01:14:14,412 a part of who I am, I forget. 1397 01:14:14,454 --> 01:14:16,456 And then all of a sudden I'll remember it. 1398 01:14:16,539 --> 01:14:18,917 But it comes, it shoots out in... 1399 01:14:18,958 --> 01:14:20,728 - Right. - Do you know what I am saying? 1400 01:14:20,752 --> 01:14:22,879 - I do. - I know you do. 1401 01:14:22,921 --> 01:14:25,173 You know? 1402 01:14:25,256 --> 01:14:27,656 Sorry, I'm just gonna do the orange juice, coffee, 1403 01:14:27,717 --> 01:14:29,469 - tea, champagne. - Champagne. 1404 01:14:29,552 --> 01:14:30,613 Straight to the champagne? 1405 01:14:30,637 --> 01:14:31,846 - Yes. - Yeah, champagne. 1406 01:14:31,930 --> 01:14:33,783 - Okay, all right. - I get a glass a day. 1407 01:14:33,807 --> 01:14:36,184 Okay, there's also mineral water there. 1408 01:14:37,644 --> 01:14:40,105 My most favorite cousin passed away. 1409 01:14:40,188 --> 01:14:41,690 - Aw. - And... 1410 01:14:41,773 --> 01:14:44,317 I had spoken to her the day before, 1411 01:14:44,401 --> 01:14:46,653 and she had said to come and get her, 1412 01:14:47,529 --> 01:14:48,822 and I couldn't. 1413 01:14:49,656 --> 01:14:51,783 Then we talked, I calmed her down. 1414 01:14:51,866 --> 01:14:54,285 And the next day, her daughter calls me up and tells me 1415 01:14:54,369 --> 01:14:55,787 she was dead. You know, it was... 1416 01:14:55,829 --> 01:14:57,706 I think you reached out to your cousin. 1417 01:14:57,789 --> 01:15:00,458 - I mean, she got from you... - What she needed. 1418 01:15:00,500 --> 01:15:02,502 What she needed, so that she could relax, 1419 01:15:02,585 --> 01:15:04,879 and so she could go to her next... 1420 01:15:04,963 --> 01:15:06,214 her next step. 1421 01:15:06,297 --> 01:15:07,799 Mm-hmm. 1422 01:15:08,591 --> 01:15:10,135 I hadn't thought about it like that. 1423 01:15:10,218 --> 01:15:11,219 That really helped. 1424 01:15:11,302 --> 01:15:13,555 - Yeah, thank you too. - Thank you for that one. 1425 01:15:13,638 --> 01:15:15,932 'Cause it really, uh... 1426 01:15:15,974 --> 01:15:19,269 - Ooh! - Mm-hmm. 1427 01:15:21,980 --> 01:15:23,340 These rings are beautiful. 1428 01:15:23,398 --> 01:15:24,959 - Oh, you like these? - These are beautiful. 1429 01:15:24,983 --> 01:15:26,335 - Thank you. - Yeah, yeah. 1430 01:15:26,359 --> 01:15:28,087 - I noticed them. Beautiful. - You wanna look at it 1431 01:15:28,111 --> 01:15:29,630 - up-close and personal? - Oh, thank you! 1432 01:15:29,654 --> 01:15:30,947 Oh, God! 1433 01:15:30,989 --> 01:15:32,824 - Yeah. - Have to put it on. 1434 01:15:33,158 --> 01:15:34,659 Really nice. 1435 01:15:34,743 --> 01:15:35,952 Ginney designed it. 1436 01:15:35,994 --> 01:15:38,496 - You did? - Well, not really. 1437 01:15:38,580 --> 01:15:39,740 - Yeah. - Yeah. 1438 01:15:39,789 --> 01:15:41,166 Really lovely. 1439 01:15:42,250 --> 01:15:45,211 - Nice weight to it too. - It does, yeah. 1440 01:15:45,295 --> 01:15:46,921 Very nice. 1441 01:15:54,262 --> 01:15:55,305 Bye-bye. 1442 01:16:14,699 --> 01:16:17,744 - ♪ Let's go higher ♪ - ♪ Let's go higher ♪ 1443 01:16:17,827 --> 01:16:20,121 - ♪ Higher ♪ - ♪ Higher ♪ 1444 01:16:20,205 --> 01:16:22,874 - ♪ Let's go higher ♪ - ♪ Let's go higher ♪ 1445 01:16:22,916 --> 01:16:27,587 - ♪ Higher in my Lord ♪ - ♪ Let's go higher ♪ 1446 01:16:27,671 --> 01:16:30,298 - ♪ Let's go higher ♪ - ♪ Higher ♪ 1447 01:16:30,382 --> 01:16:31,716 ♪ Higher ♪ 1448 01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,052 - ♪ Higher ♪ - ♪ Let's go higher ♪ 1449 01:16:34,094 --> 01:16:37,097 - ♪ Higher ♪ - ♪ Higher... ♪ 1450 01:16:37,180 --> 01:16:39,641 It's hard to figure out Black people. 1451 01:16:39,724 --> 01:16:40,975 And that's a... 1452 01:16:41,059 --> 01:16:43,520 No, really, I mean, you know... you know 'cause you... 1453 01:16:43,561 --> 01:16:44,830 - I know. - It's very hard. 1454 01:16:44,854 --> 01:16:46,791 Because you say, um... Let's say somebody like you. 1455 01:16:46,815 --> 01:16:48,983 You've been out of the church for a long time, okay? 1456 01:16:49,067 --> 01:16:51,236 I grew up, of course, in a Baptist church, 1457 01:16:51,319 --> 01:16:52,338 and I really dig the church. 1458 01:16:52,362 --> 01:16:54,322 - I think it's a very cool... - I do too. 1459 01:16:54,406 --> 01:16:56,157 I can't dig the theology, 1460 01:16:56,241 --> 01:16:58,618 but the music and the energies of the church. 1461 01:16:58,702 --> 01:17:00,578 - Yes. - But then I went to, um... 1462 01:17:00,620 --> 01:17:01,871 The New York Community Choir 1463 01:17:01,913 --> 01:17:04,749 had its anniversary recently, it's first anniversary, 1464 01:17:04,791 --> 01:17:07,127 and I went up to an AME Zion church, 1465 01:17:07,210 --> 01:17:09,921 as a matter of fact. And the lady was singing... 1466 01:17:09,963 --> 01:17:11,840 Some lady was singing "Yes, Jesus Loves Me." 1467 01:17:11,923 --> 01:17:13,091 And people started shouting. 1468 01:17:13,133 --> 01:17:14,568 - You know what I mean, just... - Yeah, yeah. 1469 01:17:14,592 --> 01:17:15,695 People were shouting. 1470 01:17:15,719 --> 01:17:17,113 And it hit me as I was sitting there. 1471 01:17:17,137 --> 01:17:19,806 My God, as a so-called Black militant, 1472 01:17:19,889 --> 01:17:23,184 I have nothing stronger to offer than Jesus. 1473 01:17:23,268 --> 01:17:25,937 Yeah, but you see... Yeah, but, yeah... but, baby... 1474 01:17:26,021 --> 01:17:27,248 And that was a... It blew... 1475 01:17:27,272 --> 01:17:28,916 As a matter of fact, I got up in church and said, 1476 01:17:28,940 --> 01:17:30,084 "Ain't that a bitch." 1477 01:17:30,108 --> 01:17:32,110 And suddenly I was testifying... 1478 01:17:32,193 --> 01:17:35,780 - It blew my mind! - Baby, what we did with Jesus 1479 01:17:35,822 --> 01:17:38,116 was not supposed to happen. 1480 01:17:38,158 --> 01:17:40,410 - You know, at all. - I could believe that. 1481 01:17:40,452 --> 01:17:42,495 We took him... We took that cat over. 1482 01:17:42,579 --> 01:17:44,019 - We did. - And made him ours. 1483 01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,125 It has nothing whatever to do with that White Jesus 1484 01:17:47,167 --> 01:17:49,919 in Montgomery, Alabama, in that White church. 1485 01:17:49,961 --> 01:17:52,130 We did something else with him. We made him ours. 1486 01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,026 Juanita, how are you doing? 1487 01:17:55,050 --> 01:17:56,235 I'm doing fine, and you? 1488 01:17:56,259 --> 01:17:57,844 I'm doing good. 1489 01:18:00,513 --> 01:18:03,034 - Hello? - Good morning, Jo, it's Nikki. 1490 01:18:03,058 --> 01:18:04,476 This is Nell. How are you? 1491 01:18:04,517 --> 01:18:05,769 Hi, Nell. 1492 01:18:05,810 --> 01:18:07,788 - How's everything? - Oh, everything's not good. 1493 01:18:07,812 --> 01:18:10,982 I wanted to tell Joe that Agnes passed this morning. 1494 01:18:11,066 --> 01:18:12,859 - No! - Yeah, yeah. 1495 01:18:12,942 --> 01:18:14,944 - How old was she? - Uh, 94... 1496 01:18:14,986 --> 01:18:16,696 Yeah, she just turned 94. 1497 01:18:16,780 --> 01:18:18,531 - Yeah, yeah. - Oh, man! 1498 01:18:18,615 --> 01:18:19,967 Now, wait a minute. She was your aunt? 1499 01:18:19,991 --> 01:18:21,469 - From your mom? - She was my aunt. 1500 01:18:21,493 --> 01:18:23,703 The last of the girls. Uh-huh. 1501 01:18:23,787 --> 01:18:26,122 - Oh, my God! - Yeah. 1502 01:18:27,832 --> 01:18:30,126 You know all of a sudden, that's what... 1503 01:18:30,168 --> 01:18:31,979 - Excuse me. - Bothered me a little bit. 1504 01:18:32,003 --> 01:18:35,006 I mean, it's that I am the oldest in the family now. 1505 01:18:36,383 --> 01:18:39,052 You know all of a sudden I became a senior. 1506 01:18:40,679 --> 01:18:42,847 Not that it means anything, but, you know, 1507 01:18:42,931 --> 01:18:43,949 all of a sudden you realize 1508 01:18:43,973 --> 01:18:46,017 you're the oldest person in the family. 1509 01:18:52,107 --> 01:18:54,359 ♪ I've been through the fire ♪ 1510 01:18:56,277 --> 01:18:59,030 ♪ And I have been Through the flood ♪ 1511 01:19:01,574 --> 01:19:03,785 ♪ Broken in pieces ♪ 1512 01:19:05,620 --> 01:19:08,373 ♪ And left all alone ♪ 1513 01:19:10,458 --> 01:19:13,962 ♪ But through it all God bless me ♪ 1514 01:19:14,045 --> 01:19:15,765 ♪ And through it all God kept me ♪ 1515 01:19:15,797 --> 01:19:18,425 ♪ And through it all God kept me ♪ 1516 01:19:18,508 --> 01:19:20,385 ♪ Yes, I still ♪ 1517 01:19:20,468 --> 01:19:25,724 ♪ Have a praise inside of me ♪ 1518 01:19:29,853 --> 01:19:32,105 Please stand for reading of the gospel. 1519 01:19:33,565 --> 01:19:36,568 It isn't often that someone will die for a righteous person. 1520 01:19:36,651 --> 01:19:40,071 But maybe someone might dare to die for a good person. 1521 01:19:40,155 --> 01:19:42,383 But God shows his love for us because, 1522 01:19:42,407 --> 01:19:45,744 while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 1523 01:19:45,827 --> 01:19:48,913 So now that we have been made righteous by His blood 1524 01:19:48,955 --> 01:19:51,041 - we can... - Thomas, I'm in church. 1525 01:19:51,082 --> 01:19:52,476 - Okay. - But... 1526 01:19:52,500 --> 01:19:54,312 - Call me when you get back. - No, no, Agnes died. 1527 01:19:54,336 --> 01:19:56,087 I wanted you to know. I'll call you later. 1528 01:19:56,171 --> 01:19:58,131 - Oh, okay. - Okay, bye-bye. 1529 01:19:58,214 --> 01:20:00,759 While we were still enemies. 1530 01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,261 Now that we have been reconciled, 1531 01:20:03,345 --> 01:20:06,014 we now have a restored relationship with God. 1532 01:20:06,097 --> 01:20:08,099 - Amen. - Amen. 1533 01:20:10,935 --> 01:20:12,937 Let us welcome Nikki Giovanni. 1534 01:20:21,363 --> 01:20:24,616 I want to apologize for my phone ringing. 1535 01:20:24,657 --> 01:20:29,621 My aunt died this morning and I had to start calls. 1536 01:20:30,330 --> 01:20:31,956 We're trying to... 1537 01:20:32,957 --> 01:20:34,292 deal what you have to deal with 1538 01:20:34,334 --> 01:20:36,503 when you have a death in the family. 1539 01:20:36,586 --> 01:20:38,963 I'm now trying to understand 1540 01:20:39,047 --> 01:20:41,257 what my responsibilities are 1541 01:20:41,299 --> 01:20:43,301 and, you know, some of us in this room 1542 01:20:43,343 --> 01:20:45,929 have probably faced that and you're saying, 1543 01:20:45,970 --> 01:20:49,933 "What now... do I do?" 1544 01:20:49,974 --> 01:20:52,435 It's important that you all look ahead, 1545 01:20:52,477 --> 01:20:56,481 because Earth is just about finished, to be honest. 1546 01:20:56,564 --> 01:20:57,482 I think Earth maybe have, 1547 01:20:57,524 --> 01:20:59,168 you know, three or four hundred more years, 1548 01:20:59,192 --> 01:21:01,945 but it's just about finished because we've messed it up. 1549 01:21:01,986 --> 01:21:03,488 And I tease the men all the time, 1550 01:21:03,571 --> 01:21:04,489 and I have to laugh at it. 1551 01:21:04,572 --> 01:21:06,332 'Cause I think that their penis is going out. 1552 01:21:06,366 --> 01:21:08,159 I think it's gonna be extinct very soon. 1553 01:21:10,787 --> 01:21:12,038 I do. 1554 01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:16,918 It's been misused. 1555 01:21:17,002 --> 01:21:19,462 And anything that has been misused 1556 01:21:19,504 --> 01:21:20,839 is gonna be gotten rid of. 1557 01:21:20,922 --> 01:21:23,008 That we... that we know. 1558 01:21:23,842 --> 01:21:25,093 We who are women, 1559 01:21:25,176 --> 01:21:26,845 and I have to say this, we who are women 1560 01:21:26,928 --> 01:21:28,054 have a difficult time, 1561 01:21:28,138 --> 01:21:30,181 because everybody wants to control us, 1562 01:21:30,265 --> 01:21:32,809 everybody wants to say what women should do. 1563 01:21:32,892 --> 01:21:36,438 What you should do is what you think you should do, 1564 01:21:36,521 --> 01:21:38,148 what you need to do. 1565 01:21:38,189 --> 01:21:41,317 And so, we have to not let people 1566 01:21:41,359 --> 01:21:43,945 take away those things that we need, 1567 01:21:44,029 --> 01:21:45,321 those things that we love. 1568 01:21:45,363 --> 01:21:47,657 I am very fortunate, I have a very good friend, 1569 01:21:47,699 --> 01:21:49,075 and I would be lost without her. 1570 01:21:49,159 --> 01:21:50,553 I don't know, what I'd do without Ginney. 1571 01:21:50,577 --> 01:21:53,997 So, I'm very fortunate to have somebody who loves me. 1572 01:21:54,039 --> 01:21:56,374 I don't care what anybody has to say about it. 1573 01:21:56,458 --> 01:21:57,542 I'm not interested. 1574 01:21:57,584 --> 01:22:02,547 And what we have to continue to do is love one another. 1575 01:22:02,589 --> 01:22:05,216 "This is not a poem. 1576 01:22:05,300 --> 01:22:08,136 This is hot chocolate at the beginning of spring, 1577 01:22:08,219 --> 01:22:10,221 topped with hand-whipped double cream, 1578 01:22:10,305 --> 01:22:12,307 a splash of brandy to give it sass, 1579 01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:14,976 and just a little cinnamon to give it class. 1580 01:22:15,060 --> 01:22:17,479 This is not a poem, this is a summer quilt, 1581 01:22:17,562 --> 01:22:20,398 log cabin pattern. See that corner piece? 1582 01:22:20,440 --> 01:22:22,192 That was Grandmother's wedding dress, 1583 01:22:22,233 --> 01:22:24,569 That was Grandpapa’s favorite Sunday tie. 1584 01:22:24,652 --> 01:22:26,071 This is a rocking chair. 1585 01:22:26,112 --> 01:22:28,615 Rock me gently in the bosom of Abraham. 1586 01:22:28,698 --> 01:22:32,494 This is a bus seat. No, I'm not going to move today. 1587 01:22:32,577 --> 01:22:33,953 This is not a poem, no. 1588 01:22:34,037 --> 01:22:36,831 It is a celebration for the road we have traveled, 1589 01:22:36,915 --> 01:22:39,084 it is a prayer for the roads yet to come. 1590 01:22:39,167 --> 01:22:42,128 This is an explosion, the original Big Bang 1591 01:22:42,212 --> 01:22:45,298 that makes the world a hopeful, loving place. 1592 01:22:45,382 --> 01:22:48,677 This is about us celebrating ourselves. 1593 01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:51,096 And a well-deserved honor it is. 1594 01:22:51,137 --> 01:22:54,474 Light the candles, this is a rocket. 1595 01:22:54,557 --> 01:22:55,767 Let's ride." 1596 01:23:13,952 --> 01:23:15,203 "We're going to Mars, 1597 01:23:15,286 --> 01:23:18,248 for the same reason Marco Polo rocketed to China, 1598 01:23:18,289 --> 01:23:19,916 for the same reason Columbus 1599 01:23:19,958 --> 01:23:22,043 trimmed his sails on the dream of spices. 1600 01:23:22,127 --> 01:23:23,461 For the very same reason 1601 01:23:23,545 --> 01:23:25,505 Shackleton was enchanted with penguins. 1602 01:23:25,588 --> 01:23:29,217 For the reason we fall in love. It's the only adventure. 1603 01:23:33,263 --> 01:23:35,324 We're going to Mars because whatever is wrong with us 1604 01:23:35,348 --> 01:23:36,641 will not get right with us. 1605 01:23:36,683 --> 01:23:39,185 So we journey forth, carrying the same baggage, 1606 01:23:39,269 --> 01:23:40,311 but every now and then, 1607 01:23:40,395 --> 01:23:42,772 leaving one little bitty thing behind." 1608 01:23:45,316 --> 01:23:47,819 "Maybe not whipping Uncle Tom to death. 1609 01:23:47,902 --> 01:23:49,612 Maybe resisting global war. 1610 01:23:49,654 --> 01:23:51,531 One day looking for prejudice to slip, 1611 01:23:51,614 --> 01:23:54,367 one day looking for hatred to tumble by the wayside. 1612 01:23:54,451 --> 01:23:55,994 One day maybe the whole community 1613 01:23:56,036 --> 01:23:57,537 will no longer be vested 1614 01:23:57,620 --> 01:23:58,747 in who sleeps with whom. 1615 01:23:58,830 --> 01:24:01,583 Maybe one day the Jewish community will be at rest, 1616 01:24:01,666 --> 01:24:03,918 the Christian community will be content. 1617 01:24:04,002 --> 01:24:06,296 The Muslim community will be at peace. 1618 01:24:06,338 --> 01:24:09,215 And all the rest of us will get great meals at holy days, 1619 01:24:09,299 --> 01:24:11,801 and learn new songs and sing in harmony." 1620 01:24:21,811 --> 01:24:24,105 And it’s an honor to introduce this woman 1621 01:24:24,189 --> 01:24:26,733 she is the most world-renowned Black poet 1622 01:24:26,816 --> 01:24:28,693 this world has ever seen. 1623 01:24:28,777 --> 01:24:30,195 She's an activist, 1624 01:24:30,236 --> 01:24:32,322 a Grammy-nominated activist. 1625 01:24:32,364 --> 01:24:35,325 She tells it like it is. 1626 01:24:35,367 --> 01:24:38,370 She's original Black girl magic, motherfuckers. 1627 01:24:38,453 --> 01:24:41,373 There is no you without this goddess. 1628 01:24:41,414 --> 01:24:42,874 Give it up for Nikki, 1629 01:24:42,957 --> 01:24:45,418 poet laureate, sister extraordinaire. 1630 01:24:45,502 --> 01:24:46,771 She's gonna lay it on you thick. 1631 01:24:46,795 --> 01:24:50,632 Give her a big warm welcome, Afropunk, put them up! 1632 01:24:53,051 --> 01:24:54,803 We're going to Mars. 1633 01:25:00,558 --> 01:25:04,771 Because nobody on Earth has any sense enough 1634 01:25:04,854 --> 01:25:08,733 to go to another planet and get along with anybody. 1635 01:25:08,775 --> 01:25:12,737 We have got to send Black women, we've got to ask Black women, 1636 01:25:12,779 --> 01:25:14,406 "Would you mind going up 1637 01:25:14,489 --> 01:25:16,866 and seeing what's up there, what's alive?" 1638 01:25:16,908 --> 01:25:18,368 I'm a fan of Black women, 1639 01:25:18,410 --> 01:25:21,621 because we are the most marvelous people on Earth. 1640 01:25:29,254 --> 01:25:31,798 ♪ I was born in the Congo ♪ 1641 01:25:36,011 --> 01:25:38,430 ♪ I was born in the Congo ♪ 1642 01:25:38,471 --> 01:25:40,140 ♪ I walked To the Fertile Crescent ♪ 1643 01:25:40,223 --> 01:25:41,975 ♪ And built the Sphinx ♪ 1644 01:25:42,058 --> 01:25:43,935 ♪ I designed a pyramid So tough ♪ 1645 01:25:43,977 --> 01:25:47,105 ♪ That a star that only glows Every one hundred years ♪ 1646 01:25:47,188 --> 01:25:48,690 ♪ Falls into the center ♪ 1647 01:25:48,773 --> 01:25:52,193 ♪ Giving divine, perfect light I am bad ♪ 1648 01:25:52,277 --> 01:25:55,280 ♪ I sat on the throne Drinking nectar with Allah ♪ 1649 01:25:55,321 --> 01:25:57,741 ♪ I got hot And sent an ice age to Europe ♪ 1650 01:25:57,782 --> 01:25:59,075 ♪ To cool my thirst ♪ 1651 01:25:59,117 --> 01:26:01,369 ♪ My oldest daughter Is Nefertiti ♪ 1652 01:26:01,453 --> 01:26:03,121 ♪ The tears From my birth pains ♪ 1653 01:26:03,204 --> 01:26:04,289 ♪ Created the Nile ♪ 1654 01:26:04,330 --> 01:26:06,249 ♪ I am a beautiful woman ♪ 1655 01:26:06,291 --> 01:26:07,667 ♪ I gazed on the forest ♪ 1656 01:26:07,751 --> 01:26:09,544 ♪ And burned out The Sahara Desert ♪ 1657 01:26:09,627 --> 01:26:12,297 ♪ With a packet of goat's meat And a change of clothes ♪ 1658 01:26:12,380 --> 01:26:13,965 ♪ I crossed it in two hours ♪ 1659 01:26:14,007 --> 01:26:15,300 ♪ I am a gazelle ♪ 1660 01:26:15,383 --> 01:26:18,428 ♪ So swift, so swift You can't catch me ♪ 1661 01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:20,764 ♪ For a birthday present When he was three ♪ 1662 01:26:20,805 --> 01:26:23,350 ♪ I gave my son Hannibal An elephant ♪ 1663 01:26:23,433 --> 01:26:25,769 ♪ He gave me Rome For Mother’s Day ♪ 1664 01:26:25,852 --> 01:26:28,146 ♪ My strength flows ever on ♪ 1665 01:26:28,188 --> 01:26:29,939 ♪ My son Noah built new/ark ♪ 1666 01:26:29,981 --> 01:26:31,441 ♪ And I stood Proudly at the helm ♪ 1667 01:26:31,483 --> 01:26:34,319 ♪ As we sailed On a soft summer day ♪ 1668 01:26:34,402 --> 01:26:37,197 ♪ I turned myself into myself And was Jesus ♪ 1669 01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,449 ♪ Men intone my loving name ♪ 1670 01:26:39,491 --> 01:26:43,036 ♪ All praises, all praises I am the one who would save ♪ 1671 01:26:43,119 --> 01:26:45,455 ♪ I sowed diamonds In my backyard ♪ 1672 01:26:45,497 --> 01:26:47,415 ♪ My bowels deliver uranium ♪ 1673 01:26:47,499 --> 01:26:49,125 ♪ The filings From my fingernails ♪ 1674 01:26:49,167 --> 01:26:50,752 ♪ Are semi-precious jewels ♪ 1675 01:26:50,835 --> 01:26:52,629 ♪ On a trip north, I caught a cold ♪ 1676 01:26:52,671 --> 01:26:55,465 ♪ And blew my nose Giving oil to the Arab world ♪ 1677 01:26:55,507 --> 01:26:59,511 ♪ I am so hip Even my errors are correct ♪ 1678 01:27:00,887 --> 01:27:02,305 ♪ I sailed west to reach east ♪ 1679 01:27:02,347 --> 01:27:05,016 ♪ And had to round off The earth as I went ♪ 1680 01:27:05,100 --> 01:27:06,559 ♪ The hair from My head thinned ♪ 1681 01:27:06,643 --> 01:27:09,270 ♪ And gold was laid Across three continents ♪ 1682 01:27:09,312 --> 01:27:13,400 ♪ I am so perfect so divine So ethereal, so surreal ♪ 1683 01:27:13,483 --> 01:27:16,736 ♪ I cannot be comprehended Except by my permission ♪ 1684 01:27:16,820 --> 01:27:21,783 ♪ I mean, I can fly Like a bird in the sky ♪ 1685 01:28:16,087 --> 01:28:18,506 Let's go back to the kids. 1686 01:28:18,590 --> 01:28:20,967 You talk to those people who can hear you, 1687 01:28:21,051 --> 01:28:22,927 and you save what you can save. 1688 01:28:22,969 --> 01:28:25,430 You know, what you have to do 1689 01:28:25,472 --> 01:28:27,515 is make it possible for others to live. 1690 01:28:27,599 --> 01:28:29,142 - Mm-hmm. - You know. 1691 01:28:29,225 --> 01:28:31,311 That's the only reason to be here. 1692 01:28:31,394 --> 01:28:34,439 You know, who needs the rest of it, really! 1693 01:28:34,481 --> 01:28:37,359 Would you say that, like, you tend to be optimistic? 1694 01:28:38,193 --> 01:28:40,153 You know, on those kinda levels? 1695 01:28:40,236 --> 01:28:42,781 When I pick a kid up in my arms, yes. 1696 01:28:42,822 --> 01:28:44,282 I look at you, yes! 1697 01:28:44,366 --> 01:28:45,992 - You know. - Not me! 1698 01:28:46,076 --> 01:28:48,095 - Yes. When I look at... - I'm very pessimistic. 1699 01:28:48,119 --> 01:28:50,014 Oh, no! You're not as pessimist as you think you are. 1700 01:28:50,038 --> 01:28:52,957 - I'm not pessimistic... - You got far too much energy 1701 01:28:52,999 --> 01:28:54,751 to be as pessimistic as you think you are. 1702 01:28:54,793 --> 01:28:56,145 I'm pretty pessimistic, though. 1703 01:28:56,169 --> 01:28:57,313 No, I think you're pretty realistic. 1704 01:28:57,337 --> 01:28:58,630 I think you're pretty cool. 1705 01:28:58,713 --> 01:29:01,383 But there has to be a way to do what we do and survive. 1706 01:29:01,466 --> 01:29:03,551 Which is, to me, what seems to be missing. 1707 01:29:03,635 --> 01:29:06,346 Sweetheart. Sweetheart. 1708 01:29:06,429 --> 01:29:08,723 Our ancestors taught us how to do that. 1709 01:29:18,358 --> 01:29:20,118 "The captain knew they were in trouble 1710 01:29:20,151 --> 01:29:23,488 in an unknown place, without communicable abilities, 1711 01:29:23,530 --> 01:29:25,865 with a violent and capricious species. 1712 01:29:25,949 --> 01:29:28,660 But they could look out and still see signs of home, 1713 01:29:28,743 --> 01:29:31,830 they could still smell the sweetness in the air. 1714 01:29:31,913 --> 01:29:34,124 But there reached a point where the captured 1715 01:29:34,165 --> 01:29:35,625 could not only not look back, 1716 01:29:35,667 --> 01:29:38,503 they had no idea which way back might be. 1717 01:29:38,545 --> 01:29:41,131 There was nothing in the middle of the deep blue water 1718 01:29:41,172 --> 01:29:43,049 to indicate which way home might be. 1719 01:29:43,133 --> 01:29:46,511 And it was that moment when a decision had to be made. 1720 01:29:46,553 --> 01:29:47,887 Do they continue forward 1721 01:29:47,971 --> 01:29:50,181 with a resolve to see this thing through, 1722 01:29:50,223 --> 01:29:53,643 or do they embrace the waters and find another world?" 1723 01:29:59,190 --> 01:30:00,525 "In the belly of the ship, 1724 01:30:00,567 --> 01:30:01,818 the moan was heard. 1725 01:30:01,860 --> 01:30:05,321 And someone picked up that moan and a song was raised, 1726 01:30:05,363 --> 01:30:08,450 and that song would offer comfort and hope 1727 01:30:08,533 --> 01:30:09,826 and tell the story." 1728 01:31:31,282 --> 01:31:32,784 Make yourself, um... 1729 01:31:33,618 --> 01:31:34,786 comfortable. 1730 01:32:16,036 --> 01:32:19,998 I had no idea what I was gonna see, 1731 01:32:20,081 --> 01:32:24,461 but I did not expect so many antiques. 1732 01:32:24,502 --> 01:32:26,087 That's for sure. 1733 01:32:30,759 --> 01:32:32,927 So many people writing in books, 1734 01:32:33,011 --> 01:32:36,348 like notes to her all around this room. 1735 01:32:36,431 --> 01:32:37,807 It's really cool. 1736 01:32:47,901 --> 01:32:52,030 So, I don't know much about people before us, 1737 01:32:52,113 --> 01:32:54,866 and how they lived, and where they came from. 1738 01:33:01,873 --> 01:33:04,167 I would like to see young people, 1739 01:33:04,209 --> 01:33:06,336 Black young people, create, basically, 1740 01:33:06,378 --> 01:33:09,172 their own Black language for better communication. 1741 01:33:09,214 --> 01:33:10,900 I'm not talking about creating a language, 1742 01:33:10,924 --> 01:33:13,468 I'm talking about saying that my language is legitimate. 1743 01:33:13,551 --> 01:33:14,761 You know, I think so. 1744 01:33:14,844 --> 01:33:17,389 We use the language that we use. 1745 01:33:17,472 --> 01:33:18,848 They had an Italian Renaissance. 1746 01:33:18,890 --> 01:33:20,725 Dante and them wrote in the vernacular. 1747 01:33:20,809 --> 01:33:21,994 Well, we're doing the same thing. 1748 01:33:22,018 --> 01:33:23,371 We're talking about a Black renaissance, 1749 01:33:23,395 --> 01:33:25,206 writing in Black vernacular. That's what we're talking about. 1750 01:33:25,230 --> 01:33:26,749 I'm talking about coming out of the White Ages 1751 01:33:26,773 --> 01:33:28,209 rather than the dark ones, you dig? 1752 01:33:28,233 --> 01:33:29,794 We're coming out of that into the '70s... 1753 01:33:29,818 --> 01:33:32,153 Well, I think it’s really cool, how you could have 1754 01:33:32,237 --> 01:33:34,948 that much confidence at, like, 20-something. 1755 01:33:35,031 --> 01:33:37,867 I do not... Well, I hope I will. 1756 01:33:37,909 --> 01:33:41,246 But to be able to speak like that, 1757 01:33:41,287 --> 01:33:42,831 it’s pretty awesome. 1758 01:33:42,914 --> 01:33:45,709 So, I hope I can do that at that age, 1759 01:33:45,750 --> 01:33:48,086 or hopefully younger. That would be ideal. 1760 01:33:48,128 --> 01:33:49,963 Oh, you'll be fine. 1761 01:33:50,046 --> 01:33:51,756 You'll be fine. 1762 01:33:51,798 --> 01:33:54,926 I'm a space freak. 1763 01:33:55,427 --> 01:33:56,720 I was able to go 1764 01:33:56,761 --> 01:33:59,014 on the SST, on the Supersonic Transport 1765 01:33:59,097 --> 01:34:01,808 actually from London back to New York, 1766 01:34:01,891 --> 01:34:03,476 because a friend of mine had died 1767 01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:05,120 and I wanted to be there at her funeral. 1768 01:34:05,186 --> 01:34:08,898 And the Supersonic... SST, goes up 70,000 feet, 1769 01:34:08,940 --> 01:34:10,316 for those of you who don't know it. 1770 01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:14,529 And at 70,000 feet, you can see the curve of the Earth. 1771 01:34:14,612 --> 01:34:16,614 And I always wanted to be able to go 1772 01:34:16,656 --> 01:34:17,907 just a little bit higher. 1773 01:34:17,949 --> 01:34:19,844 I want to go to Space Station or something like that. 1774 01:34:19,868 --> 01:34:22,787 And I know Charles Bolden, who was the head of NASA. 1775 01:34:22,871 --> 01:34:24,914 Dr. Bolden said to me, you know, 1776 01:34:24,956 --> 01:34:27,334 "Nikki, I could take you to space. 1777 01:34:27,417 --> 01:34:28,460 You could do that, 1778 01:34:28,501 --> 01:34:31,087 but I couldn't bring you back." And I said, "Charles, 1779 01:34:31,129 --> 01:34:32,714 I don't know how to tell you this." 1780 01:34:32,797 --> 01:34:35,258 And maybe some of you don't understand. 1781 01:34:35,300 --> 01:34:36,843 Let me share. 1782 01:34:36,926 --> 01:34:38,428 If you were born... 1783 01:34:38,887 --> 01:34:40,388 you're gonna die. 1784 01:34:42,766 --> 01:34:45,143 And I thought, wouldn't that be really, just cool? 1785 01:34:45,185 --> 01:34:48,980 Because I'm 76 now, and maybe by the time I'm 80, 1786 01:34:49,064 --> 01:34:51,483 'cause I just wanna give myself few more years. 1787 01:34:51,524 --> 01:34:52,859 And when I'm 80, I'll go up 1788 01:34:52,942 --> 01:34:54,319 and I'll sit on the space station 1789 01:34:54,361 --> 01:34:55,236 for a couple of years, 1790 01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:58,656 'cause we don't have any artists in space. 1791 01:34:58,698 --> 01:35:00,867 We don't have any poets in space. 1792 01:35:00,950 --> 01:35:03,244 And I get to say what I've seen. 1793 01:35:03,328 --> 01:35:06,164 And then, you know, I'm gonna do what everybody else does, 1794 01:35:06,247 --> 01:35:07,165 I'm gonna die. 1795 01:35:07,207 --> 01:35:09,793 And what I want them to do is just open the... 1796 01:35:09,834 --> 01:35:13,672 There's a door there. And I want... just open the door 1797 01:35:13,713 --> 01:35:15,191 and just let me out. 1798 01:35:15,215 --> 01:35:17,193 And you'll just look out, and you'll see me go and say, 1799 01:35:17,217 --> 01:35:19,678 "There goes Nikki." And... 1800 01:35:38,530 --> 01:35:40,073 There's another one over there. 1801 01:35:43,326 --> 01:35:45,328 See, it's growing. 1802 01:35:47,872 --> 01:35:49,708 Now... See, now, he came out. 1803 01:35:49,749 --> 01:35:52,168 This guy went and talked to him, I guess. 1804 01:35:59,509 --> 01:36:01,928 "To successfully go to Mars and back, 1805 01:36:02,012 --> 01:36:03,638 you will need a song. 1806 01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:06,099 Take some Billie Holiday for the sad days 1807 01:36:06,182 --> 01:36:08,393 and some Charlie Parker for the happy ones. 1808 01:36:08,476 --> 01:36:12,397 But always keep at least one good spiritual for comfort." 1809 01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:16,776 Yeah, I love that smell. 1810 01:36:16,860 --> 01:36:18,903 "You will need to slice or two of a meatloaf, 1811 01:36:18,987 --> 01:36:21,990 and if you can manage it, some fried chicken in a shoebox, 1812 01:36:22,073 --> 01:36:24,826 with a moist lemon pound cake, 1813 01:36:24,909 --> 01:36:25,952 a bottle of beer, 1814 01:36:26,036 --> 01:36:27,579 because no one should go that far 1815 01:36:27,662 --> 01:36:29,831 without a beer, and maybe a six pack, 1816 01:36:29,914 --> 01:36:32,959 so if there is life on Mars, you can share. 1817 01:36:33,043 --> 01:36:35,462 Popcorn for the celebration when you land, 1818 01:36:35,545 --> 01:36:38,131 while you wait on your land legs to kick in. 1819 01:36:38,214 --> 01:36:41,384 And as you climb down the ladder from your spaceship 1820 01:36:41,426 --> 01:36:42,761 to the Martian surface, 1821 01:36:42,802 --> 01:36:45,597 look to your left, and there you'll see 1822 01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:47,098 a smiling community 1823 01:36:47,140 --> 01:36:51,436 quilting a black-eyed pea, watching you descend." 140024

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