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[Rachel] I was born
to Warren Jeffs.
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The sexual abuse started
when I was 8.
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Even with all the truths
put out about Warren,
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he still has followers.
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[Nate] The thing the trial
really didn't get at
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was what were other men
doing in the group.
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A guy named Sam Bateman
just popped up
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and declared himself
the prophet.
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There's some really bad things
happening
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and something has to be done.
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[Matt] And now all of sudden,
next thing you know
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kids are missing
and we have no idea
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what's going on with them.
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[phone ringing]
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[Matt] What can I do for you?
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[Officer] Put your hands
behind your back.
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I just can't fathom how a father
could give his baby girls
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to a predator like that.
I can't fathom it.
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[Matt] My name is Matt Browning.
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I'm a retired law enforcement
out of Arizona.
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I was on both
the Joint Terrorist Task Force
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and the Fugitive Task Force,
with the FBI.
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But most importantly,
I'm a husband and a father.
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And I was born and raised
a member
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of the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter Day Saints.
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A few years ago, my wife Tawni
and I were contacted
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by women who wanted help
leaving polygamous groups.
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Since then we've been contacted
numerous times
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by people asking for help.
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Some of these groups
have a history
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of incest and child abuse.
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And are thriving right here
in the United States.
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People need to know about this.
That's why we do what we do.
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A few years back,
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I had the opportunity
to meet some girls
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that were part of
polygamist groups.
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I was able to talk to them
about the different things
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going on
within these organizations.
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Crimes such as the, the rapes,
the pedophilia,
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the underage marriages,
um, the incest.
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I helped some of these women
get out of polygamy
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and since that time,
in helping them,
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my name has gotten out
and I've been able to help more
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and I've been getting
more information
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on what's going on
within polygamy.
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[Nate] The group that eventually
became the FLDS
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settled in a place
called Short Creek
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on the Utah Arizona line.
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One thing you see
across the polygamist groups
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is they seek out isolation
to some extent,
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in part because they distrust
governments.
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And so they tend to kind of
settle in places
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where they can have
their own community.
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You talk to former members
of the FLDS
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and a lot of them will tell you
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that, once upon a time,
it was a good society.
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They were all geared
toward the same goal
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of creating a kingdom on earth
for when Christ returned.
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There wasn't a dictatorship,
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the way there became
under the Jeffs.
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Once Warren comes to power,
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Warren was, you know,
specifically telling people
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which houses they could live in,
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what he expected
out of businesses.
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You know, he was basically
taking any woman
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he wanted, or girl, to marry.
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He's evicting men
that he saw as disloyal
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or some kind of threat
to his political power.
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And, there were,
were new accusations
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of, uh, men, particularly Warren
marrying underage girls.
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Then Warren went on the run.
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And so there was
a big announcement
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that Warren was now
a 10 most wanted fugitive
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on the FBI's list.
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I remember thinking the thing
the trial really didn't get at
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was what were other men doing
in the group.
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I mean, how many other
underage brides were there,
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underage mothers were there
within the FLDS.
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Even though Warren is locked up
serving a life sentence,
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he is still the president
on the incorporation papers
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for the Fundamentalist Church
of Jesus Christ
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of Latter Day Saints.
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So he still has a following.
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He still has people
who believe in him.
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[Matt] So, when Warren
got locked up,
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the whole church actually
kind of was in limbo.
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They still believed Warren
was running the church
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from inside prison,
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but also different people
were fighting for power
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and a guy named Sam Bateman
just popped up
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and declared himself
the prophet.
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Within these
extreme organizations,
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if you are so set
on going to heaven
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and your prophet leaves
or is in prison,
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you need to find another prophet
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because they are the only ones
that can get you to Heaven.
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So Sam Bateman easily
inserted himself
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in this whole power vacuum.
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So what we know
about Sam Bateman
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is that he grew up in the FLDS.
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He was nowhere even close
to being in the leadership
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within the church
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and he just declared himself
the prophet.
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Sam was pulled over, up around
Flagstaff, Arizona up north
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and he was driving a truck
with some teenage women
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that claim to be his wives,
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but he was pulling a trailer
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and in the trailer
was some underage girls.
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[Police] Put your hands
behind your back.
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Put your hands behind your back.
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[music]
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Something Warren Jeffs
and Sam Bateman have in common
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is they both faced charges
related to child abuse.
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The reason why we are looking
at people
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who are already locked up
like Warren and Sam Bateman
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is because both Warren and Sam
have people on the outside
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who do the things
that they are told to do.
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Usually Tawni's phone goes crazy
with people wanting help
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leaving the FLDS
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but lately the phone calls
we've been getting
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are from people
who have already left
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the FLDS church
but now they want help
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finding their kids
that have gone missing.
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[phone ringing]
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What can I do for you?
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And how many children
are we talking?
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Now, I have moms and dads
who can't sleep at night
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because they don't know
where their kids are.
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I think that a lot of it
has to do with these, you know,
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revelations that are coming
from Warren Jeffs.
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These revelations
are coming from Warren Jeffs
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who is in prison and there going
to his son Helaman
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who then distributes them
throughout the church.
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So one thing that Warren Jeffs
is putting out there
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is that we need to gather up
all these children
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from their apostate parent
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and re-indoctrinate them all
within the FLDS.
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Now what I have to do is go talk
to the people
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that can point me
in the right directions
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and the best person
that I know of
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that I can talk to
is Rachel Jeffs.
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Rachel Jeffs
is Warren Jeffs' daughter.
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Rachel's story is amazing
and she definitely is a survivor
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Rachel and Helaman
grew up together.
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The difference is Rachel left
the FLDS group
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while Helaman stayed.
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When she left Polygamy,
she spoke up.
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She's one of those that spoke up
and because of that,
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she became almost like
an activist
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for the FLDS community.
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There's nobody that knows FLDS
like Rachel.
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I want to know if Rachel's
heard anything
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about what her brother
and father are doing,
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and if it's got anything
to do with these missing kids.
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We're headed
to Rachel Jeffs' house
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in Northern Idaho, just south
of the Canadian border.
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Rachel is the strong one
that left FLDS
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because she's really
speaking out
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about the things
that have happened to her
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in her life and --
and the things that go on
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still within
the FLDS communities.
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She's written a book,
Breaking Free,
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and she's talking
about her family.
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Her family is doing bad things,
and she wants it to stop.
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And I think people are coming
forward now
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because they're tired of kids
getting hurt.
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Rachel's brother, Helaman
Helaman Jeffs, Warren's son
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has kind of taken up
the reins and is,
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for lack of a better word,
Warren's mouthpiece
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outside of the prison system.
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Warren Jeffs is in prison
for the rest of his life.
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While Warren is still running it
from inside his cell,
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Helaman is actually
receiving revelations
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from Warren
and distributing them
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to the faithful members
of the FLDS community.
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But then you have Sam Bateman
who wants to be the leader
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and has caused a split
within the FLDS community.
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So now you have one organization
that has split into two
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because of two battling
prophets.
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So, I would think
that there's nobody
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that knows Helaman Jeffs
better than Rachel
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because Rachel is his sister.
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What I'm looking for
with Rachael and Brandon
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is picking their brains on what
they've heard
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and what they know.
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So, hopefully, we can come up
with an idea
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of where these kids
are being taken.
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-Hey, how's it going?
-[Brandon] What's up, man?
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-[Matt] How are you?
-[Brandon] Not bad,
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good to see you.
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[Matt] You gotta give me a hug.
Sorry.
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How have you guys been?
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- [Rachel] Good.
-[Matt] Good?
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Getting on the backside
of winter.
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Get on the backside?
You heard about Sam, right?
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-Sam Bateman?
- Yeah.
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And he's sitting in jail
down in Phoenix,
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but seems like he's back
to the same old thing.
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You have some people
who are hurting kids
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and marrying off young kids.
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So, I was wondering
about what Helaman was doing.
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My theory behind why Helaman is
where he's at,
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is over time Warren's own group
was starting to fragment
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pretty bad.
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Different little groups
are popping up
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and Sam Bateman
being one of them.
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He claims well, Warren's
dead now, I'm the leader.
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So, Warren in response to that
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appointed his own subordinate,
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which was Helaman Jeffs,
his son.
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He's like, "No,
this is actually the guy
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that's doing
what I want him to do"
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And he uses him as a puppet
to rally his troops.
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[Rachel And I think
even Helaman did that.
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He's like, "Oh, we were
losing everybody.
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So, now we got to gather them
back up."
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Okay. Now, that's extremely
interesting.
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[Rachel] I was born to Warren
Jeffs and Barbara Barlow.
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They're my parents.
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We lived in polygamy.
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My dad had several wives.
So, we had lots of siblings.
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We were taught that, you know,
we had to look different
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than the world to prove
that we are different.
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Dresses came up to our necks,
ankle length.
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We had to keep our hair braided.
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Men, of course,
kept their bodies covered too.
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It's like we're
the priesthood people.
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We're a part of the church
and the wicked people
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were considered Gentiles,
what we call Gentiles.
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If you weren't in our church,
you are a Gentile.
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We were going to heaven,
they were going to hell.
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To me, this was normal.
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We believed it because,
you know, who loves you more
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than your parents,
you believe your parents.
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So, you just don't know
any different.
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[Matt] Has Warren always
been hurting kids
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since he was in command or rule?
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I believe
he has been hurting kids
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since he was a kid probably.
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-[Matt] Really?
-Yeah. I mean,
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the more I find out about,
you know, the more people,
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as his sisters and stuff
that have talked to me
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and the more stories
that come out.
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[Matt] He hurt you when you were
a kid, when you were little.
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Yeah.
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The sexual abuse started
when I was eight
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and, you know,
I was very scared.
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I remember the very first time,
it was very shocking.
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I just remember going to bed
crying and thinking,
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what did I do bad
that made him do that, you know.
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He kept me with him all the tie
and if I ever asked,
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can my like,
my same sister Becky,
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I'd say can, "Becky come
with me?" or something.
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He'd be so angry at me
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and so then the family
would treat me bad
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because he was treating me bad.
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And so then nobody would talk
to me
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and it was very lonely
and painful.
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The sexual abuse happened
till I was 16.
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So, I kind of learned
to please him
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so that the rest of the family
would treat me good.
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And that's how he makes you feel
like you did something wrong
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so I'm going to do this to you.
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May I ask you a question
and promise
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that you're not going to get mad
at me. Okay, you promise?
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I don't ever get mad.
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[Matt] Okay. Why didn't you
call the police?
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[Rachel] We were taught
all our lives
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that the cops were going
to hurt us
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or the cops are out to get us.
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So, I mean that was
the last thing you do.
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When Warren separated me
from my kids several times,
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he'd say, "Rachel, you just have
to go away for a week."
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But then he wouldn't
let me return for months.
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One time while I was separated,
when I got back,
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my baby didn't remember me
and I was just so angry
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at father and I even wrote
to him and told him,
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I was just so upset at him.
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It's like you're on detention
and you're in prison,
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You're in this house
by yourself.
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You're supposed to sew
every day.
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Warren did this to all his wives
and his girls and his sons.
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Even 12 year olds
got put in houses
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all by themselves
with nothing but to sew.
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My sister, he had set her away,
to live alone and she called me.
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And she's like,
"Rachel, you know what father
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did to you
when you were little."
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I was like, "How did you know?"
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And she's like, "Because
he did it to me too."
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[Matt] He hurt you
when you were little?
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[Rachel] Yeah.
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And that went on
for how many years?
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For 8 years.
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[Matt] So you were alone?
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Well, you know, I thought I was.
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When my sister told me
about the sexual abuse,
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I was angry
that he did it to her.
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But more than anything,
the very big truth
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smacks you in the face, almost
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that it wasn't
because of something that I did
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that made him do this to me,
it was him.
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You know, I was--
that was a huge moment.
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You know, we talked all night
on the phone
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and we both decided that night,
we are going to leave someday.
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We didn't decide that we're
going to leave that day,
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but we knew we're going
to leave the church.
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He was in prison,
but he required other men
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to marry underage girls too.
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I remember him
telling this one man
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that he had to marry
a 14-year-old.
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You know, I just thought
to myself, father can hurt me,
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but he -- I'm not going
to let him hurt my kids.
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Then I just felt like, I'm not
going to put up with this.
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In the FLDS, most of the people
didn't know
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he had married underage girls.
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And I think for a lot of us --
a lot of people
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didn't even know
that was illegal.
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Even with all the truths put out
about Warren,
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he still has followers.
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There's still people listening
to him
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and they still carry out
his word
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and it's just crazy
that it still happens.
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These kids have never seen
their father
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or talked to him since.
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I mean, that was very,
also very difficult
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because I grew to love him.
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To look back at the memories
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especially, like to look
at pictures of like my mom,
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that's just so emotional,
super emotional.
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I think I bury some of that
just because it's super painful.
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It really wasn't until I left
that I realized as a child,
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my father could have gone
to prison for what he did to me
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and that was
very empowering to me.
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I believe it's been a cult
all along.
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I feel like this system
was all about men
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wanting to have sex
with multiple women
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and justifying it
through religion.
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And they know that.
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[Matt] Are you happy now?
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You know, I am.
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-Are you happy now?
-[Brandon] I am.
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[Matt] And why are you happy?
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Because we're free.
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How'd you guys meet?
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[Brandon] Actually,
through my brother.
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He suggested I should talk
to her
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and so I did and that's kind of
what kicked it off.
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[Rachel Yeah, I think we both
had tough experiences
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and I think we understood
each other, you know.
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[Brandon] My name
is Brandon Blackmore.
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I was born and raised
in the FLDS
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in Canada, British Columbia.
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I had 21 brothers
and 16 sisters.
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We were busy building
these log cabin kits
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for Warren Jeffs.
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I ran a log lathe so, I was
very involved with building
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all the log cabin kits.
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On April 3rd, 2008, the YFZ
Ranch in, in San Angelo, Texas
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was raided by law enforcement
after they received
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an anonymous tip
of a girl being raped.
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[Brandon] I knew nothing
about it
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until the raid happened in 2008.
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Me and several of my brothers
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and a lot of the Canadian
members
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were building the log cabins
and sending them down there,
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but I had no idea
where they're going.
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It was even whispered around,
you could find out
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on the internet,
but we weren't supposed
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to look on the internet.
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We just weren't privy to that.
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[music]
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She disappeared in 2004.
She was 13 at the time.
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What we were told is that
she was on a mission
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and so, it was just like,
you don't ask,
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you don't need to know.
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The one thing that came out
of that raid
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that was quite pivotal to me
is a claim
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that underage marriages
were happening.
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She reappeared in 2008,
came back to Canada.
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And so the time went on,
I wondered if she was married
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to Warren, and she told me
that, yeah she got married
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the same day I got married
when she was 13.
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And so that immediately, I now
had proof positive in my mind
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that I've been lied to.
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That was a very, very big deal
to me
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as my foundation that I thought
was secure, wasn't.
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That's not why I worked
my entire life for this.
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I don't support this.
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[Matt] Let's talk about the kids
that are missing.
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How did you guys hear about it?
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I've had parents
that are ex-FLDS
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that their kids are still there
message me and say,
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you know,
my daughter disappeared,
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my underage daughter
disappeared,
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or brothers say my sister
has disappeared.
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Rachel, what can we do?
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And their -- their concern
was that they were going to get
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married underage or get sucked
back into all that stuff
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with Warren Jeffs
and all the stuff he's doing.
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What do you think is happening
with the kids?
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I think they're just trying
to seclude them
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for one thing,
keeping them away from --
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They keep them brainwashed.
I mean--
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Boys, I would -- I would imagine
they're making them work.
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They'd be working
on whatever job site.
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But the girls are typical,
just--
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Just raise them up
and have them get married.
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I don't know.
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Yeah, we-- we don't know.
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Here you have Helaman who's
sending out Warren's stuff.
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Kids are-- kids are missing.
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Have you heard any
recent instances
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of FLDS going
to any newer properties?
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In North Dakota
from what I've heard.
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But do you know what part
of North Dakota they're in?
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[Rachel] I just know they're up
by the Canadian border.
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I've never been there
so, I can't say exactly.
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I just-- I just was told
it was by the border.
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[Matt] So some people
within the FLDS
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are headed up to North Dakota.
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Do you think it's possible
that some of the kids
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that are reported missing
could be going up there too?
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[Brandon] Maybe or just
with different families.
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Or just in hiding.
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I mean, there's always been lots
of hiding places.
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House of hiding
is just somewhere they rent
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and you don't have a car
or anything
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you just are stuck in that spot.
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It was usually like up
in the mountains
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or out in very rural areas.
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I am so upset
that kids are missing.
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And honestly, they just--
they don't see
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anything wrong
with what Warren does.
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So, you don't see this changing.
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You see the cycle continuing
with Sam,
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another one is going to come up.
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All right. The three of us
are sitting at this table
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right now, what's step one?
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More publicity brought to it,
the more it's going to bring it
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to light and the harder
it makes it for them
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to just do what they want,
unchecked.
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[Matt] Okay. You guys have more
of a voice
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than anybody
within these communities
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to talk to people
and to have people contact you.
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Just let me know if you hear
anything about Helaman
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and this house of hiding.
Give me a call.
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Yeah.
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[Matt] We'll stay in touch.
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[Brandon] If we hear anything,
we'll definitely get in touch.
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[Matt] For sure. Let me know
and I'll get out of your hair.
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All right, take care
of your families.
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[Brandon] Take care, Matt.
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[Matt] All right, we'll see you
later.
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[Matt] I'm extremely glad
that we took the time out
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to talk to Rachel and Brandon
because in talking to them,
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we were able to connect
some dots up
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and talk about some --
some places in North Dakota
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that are being looked at
as meeting places
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or houses of hiding.
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These guys, the FLDS are so god
at hiding people.
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And to me that's--
that is extremely frightening.
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I want to find out
if there is a connection
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between FLDS and the kids
that have been reported missing.
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[music]
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Because, Warren's still
locked up.
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And, and Rachel and Brandon
were able to tell me
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everything that's going on,
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it's not just Warren
causing these problems,
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that with a missing prophet,
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other prophets
are gonna come in.
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And I think it's very important
that I reach out to people
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who know about Sam Bateman
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and see what
they've experienced,
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what they've learned, so we
can look at this whole picture.
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There's nobody who knows
more about what's going on
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with Sam Bateman right now
than Faith.
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We are in the Phoenix area
and getting ready
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to meet with Faith.
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She left the group in 2011.
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After Faith left, her family
actually fell into
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the Sam Bateman
School of Religion.
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I don't even know
what to call it.
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They -- they bit the apple
that Sam was giving them
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and they became part
of his group.
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Even though Sam is not
in the Jeffs' line,
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and was not part of leadership
in Colorado City
491
00:29:19,208 --> 00:29:22,375
or within the FLDS,
Sam inserted himself
492
00:29:22,542 --> 00:29:26,125
into a place where people were,
were needing something
493
00:29:26,250 --> 00:29:29,375
to latch onto.
And it became Sam Bateman.
494
00:29:30,750 --> 00:29:32,375
To get the meeting here
with Faith
495
00:29:32,542 --> 00:29:38,417
has been kind of nerve-wracking
to say the least.
496
00:29:38,542 --> 00:29:44,500
[music]
497
00:29:47,667 --> 00:29:48,792
Hey.
498
00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:51,417
What's up?
499
00:30:07,375 --> 00:30:10,250
Oh wow did she say why?
What's the big switch?
500
00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:27,875
Wow that's awesome!
501
00:30:28,250 --> 00:30:29,542
That's good, that's great news.
502
00:30:30,375 --> 00:30:31,958
Love you too. Bye-bye.
503
00:30:33,708 --> 00:30:36,708
I think she's got
some huge courage
504
00:30:36,875 --> 00:30:38,375
in doing what she's doing.
505
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:41,375
This is a person
who has survived
506
00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:42,708
the FLDS community
507
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:45,500
and now she wants
to help her family get out.
508
00:30:50,542 --> 00:30:53,125
All right. Here we are.
509
00:30:54,417 --> 00:30:56,500
Go and see what Faith
has to say.
510
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,500
Faith.
- [Faith] Hi.
511
00:31:06,625 --> 00:31:07,542
[Matt] What's going on?
512
00:31:11,708 --> 00:31:12,583
Are you nervous?
513
00:31:12,708 --> 00:31:13,750
Very much so.
514
00:31:13,875 --> 00:31:15,042
[Matt] Why?
515
00:31:15,833 --> 00:31:20,125
Because growing up
we were trained
516
00:31:20,292 --> 00:31:23,208
not to trust law enforcement
and so I'm scared
517
00:31:23,375 --> 00:31:27,458
that by talking out, my family
will no longer trust me.
518
00:31:28,542 --> 00:31:29,917
Do you think they trust you now?
519
00:31:30,042 --> 00:31:33,625
No, but this is going
to make it harder
520
00:31:34,125 --> 00:31:35,583
for them to get to that point.
521
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:36,667
[Matt] Then why talk out?
522
00:31:37,167 --> 00:31:38,792
Because there's some
really bad things
523
00:31:38,958 --> 00:31:43,042
happening to them
and something has to be done.
524
00:31:45,042 --> 00:31:48,292
My first name is Faith
and my last name is Bistline.
525
00:31:48,458 --> 00:31:50,542
I was born and raised
in the FLDS.
526
00:31:52,750 --> 00:31:53,875
We were a polygamist family.
527
00:31:54,375 --> 00:31:57,083
My parents were both born
in the FLDS
528
00:31:57,208 --> 00:31:58,042
and so were their parents.
529
00:31:58,208 --> 00:32:00,292
So, it goes back generations.
530
00:32:01,625 --> 00:32:05,667
I have three moms and one dad
and then there's 28 of us kids.
531
00:32:06,208 --> 00:32:08,625
So, I'm the ninth kid
in my family.
532
00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:11,917
[Matt] Tell me
about your parents.
533
00:32:12,375 --> 00:32:13,833
[Faith] My birth mom
is the first mom.
534
00:32:13,958 --> 00:32:16,542
Growing up, it was difficult
to have
535
00:32:16,708 --> 00:32:18,917
a close personal relationship
with my parents.
536
00:32:19,042 --> 00:32:21,042
As you can imagine,
there's a lot of kids.
537
00:32:21,208 --> 00:32:24,667
My dad, especially,
he was very strict
538
00:32:24,875 --> 00:32:26,458
and he ran his household
that way,
539
00:32:26,583 --> 00:32:29,250
but then my dad was kicked out
by Warren Jeffs.
540
00:32:36,375 --> 00:32:38,792
So, at the time that my father
was sent away,
541
00:32:39,375 --> 00:32:42,042
Warren Jeffs was already
on the run from the FBI.
542
00:32:42,208 --> 00:32:43,708
So, he was already in hiding.
543
00:32:43,875 --> 00:32:47,125
My oldest brother Lud
stepped in,
544
00:32:47,292 --> 00:32:49,667
basically he became the head
of the household.
545
00:32:49,833 --> 00:32:52,125
When did you find out about Sam
546
00:32:52,292 --> 00:32:54,333
and what he was doing
to your family?
547
00:32:54,792 --> 00:32:57,083
I found out about him in 2020.
548
00:32:57,250 --> 00:32:59,250
My oldest brother, Lud,
is a part of Sam's group.
549
00:32:59,375 --> 00:33:02,125
He was the first one
to get convinced by Sam
550
00:33:02,708 --> 00:33:03,917
to be the prophet
551
00:33:04,083 --> 00:33:05,792
and then Sam Bateman
has convinced my family
552
00:33:05,917 --> 00:33:07,292
that Warren Jeffs is dead,
553
00:33:08,958 --> 00:33:11,417
and that Warren Jeffs
came to him in spirit
554
00:33:11,542 --> 00:33:13,833
and told him that he was going
to be the new prophet.
555
00:33:13,958 --> 00:33:15,292
Last I heard Warren is sick,
556
00:33:15,417 --> 00:33:17,917
but he's still in Texas
in prison.
557
00:33:18,458 --> 00:33:20,625
How -- how can they
believe this?
558
00:33:20,750 --> 00:33:23,000
It's easy for my family
to be convinced of this
559
00:33:23,208 --> 00:33:25,000
because they're not allowed
to get on the internet.
560
00:33:25,208 --> 00:33:27,250
They can't look up the fact
that he is in prison.
561
00:33:27,792 --> 00:33:29,208
[Matt] First of all,
how did you find out?
562
00:33:29,375 --> 00:33:31,042
[Faith] The majority
of my sisters,
563
00:33:31,208 --> 00:33:33,583
no longer speak to me
except for one,
564
00:33:34,167 --> 00:33:36,125
who recently, within the last
couple of years
565
00:33:36,250 --> 00:33:39,208
started to talk to me again.
She just turned 18.
566
00:33:39,375 --> 00:33:45,292
[music]
567
00:33:47,375 --> 00:33:49,583
She's been messaging me
and she's been telling me
568
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:50,875
some really concerning things.
569
00:33:51,042 --> 00:33:52,583
So what -- what is concerning?
570
00:33:53,542 --> 00:33:56,000
Um, all three of my moms
are with Sam.
571
00:33:56,542 --> 00:34:02,417
My oldest brother, Lud,
has some underage daughters
572
00:34:03,875 --> 00:34:05,583
who he gave to Sam as wives.
573
00:34:15,792 --> 00:34:17,167
And Sam married those daughters?
574
00:34:17,292 --> 00:34:18,500
[Faith] Exactly.
575
00:34:21,208 --> 00:34:23,458
Yeah and he married them
when they were underage.
576
00:34:23,667 --> 00:34:27,333
Wow. Are they consummating
their marriage or?
577
00:34:27,542 --> 00:34:29,000
I don't have any
firsthand knowledge
578
00:34:29,125 --> 00:34:30,333
of that happening.
579
00:34:30,542 --> 00:34:33,667
I do have the FBI affidavit now,
which mentions
580
00:34:34,208 --> 00:34:36,000
that he did have
sexual relations
581
00:34:36,125 --> 00:34:38,292
with a lot of these
underage girls.
582
00:34:39,458 --> 00:34:41,167
The FBI affidavit
that was released
583
00:34:41,375 --> 00:34:45,042
detailed a certain ceremony,
I guess you can call it,
584
00:34:45,208 --> 00:34:47,167
that happened at the end
of 2021.
585
00:34:47,792 --> 00:34:50,250
How it was explained to me
by another family member
586
00:34:50,417 --> 00:34:53,833
was that Sam decided
that he needed to atone
587
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,875
for the sins of the FLDS people
who would not agree
588
00:34:58,042 --> 00:34:59,208
to follow him.
589
00:35:00,292 --> 00:35:02,250
It clearly states
in the affidavit,
590
00:35:02,375 --> 00:35:05,292
Sam Bateman had three
different men pair up
591
00:35:05,417 --> 00:35:08,750
with three of his wives
and conducted a ceremony
592
00:35:09,458 --> 00:35:13,792
where they basically
had intercourse in front of Sam.
593
00:35:14,333 --> 00:35:17,500
One of the girls was only
about 12 years old.
594
00:35:18,208 --> 00:35:23,833
What? For-- I'm sorry,
I'm just kind of speechless.
595
00:35:24,750 --> 00:35:26,667
What does that do to you
knowing that your older brothers
596
00:35:26,750 --> 00:35:29,500
are I mean--
597
00:35:31,333 --> 00:35:33,917
It's a mind [bleep]
because I grew up
598
00:35:34,083 --> 00:35:38,167
with my brothers.
Very close with them.
599
00:35:40,958 --> 00:35:44,583
I'm really upset at my brother,
Lud, I'm really upset at him.
600
00:35:46,875 --> 00:35:49,042
I don't know, I don't know
how else to say that.
601
00:35:49,708 --> 00:35:54,250
He has little children. I just
can't fathom how a father
602
00:35:54,375 --> 00:35:57,792
could give his baby girls
to a predator like that.
603
00:35:58,208 --> 00:35:59,583
I can't fathom it.
604
00:36:06,958 --> 00:36:08,333
[Officer] Alright, sir.
Put your hands behind your back.
605
00:36:08,625 --> 00:36:09,708
[Matt] You know, Sam is sitting
in jail right now, right?
606
00:36:09,792 --> 00:36:10,792
[Faith] Right.
607
00:36:10,875 --> 00:36:12,292
[Matt] How can he have
any control
608
00:36:12,375 --> 00:36:13,708
when he's sitting in jail?
609
00:36:13,917 --> 00:36:17,750
Up until recently, he's been
able to FaceTime with them,
610
00:36:17,958 --> 00:36:19,083
actually.
611
00:36:19,208 --> 00:36:20,500
So, he's still--
he's still doing like
612
00:36:20,667 --> 00:36:22,750
what Warren does. He's still
calling the shots from jail.
613
00:36:22,875 --> 00:36:25,667
Right, exactly. I still believed
Warren was the prophet
614
00:36:25,875 --> 00:36:26,833
when I left.
615
00:36:28,167 --> 00:36:29,042
Even sitting in prison?
616
00:36:29,667 --> 00:36:31,583
Especially sitting in prison.
617
00:36:31,792 --> 00:36:32,667
[Matt] Really why?
618
00:36:32,833 --> 00:36:34,208
That elevated him
to a whole other level.
619
00:36:34,375 --> 00:36:36,500
Now he has
this religious persecution.
620
00:36:37,917 --> 00:36:39,167
So, then that's the same--
621
00:36:39,333 --> 00:36:40,542
[Faith] With Sam.
So, I can see that.
622
00:36:40,708 --> 00:36:43,042
Yeah, they probably --
my family probably elevates him
623
00:36:43,208 --> 00:36:45,583
to a whole new level
now that he's in prison.
624
00:36:46,125 --> 00:36:47,500
To more of a God status.
625
00:36:47,625 --> 00:36:49,458
Because now he's basically
a martyr.
626
00:36:49,542 --> 00:36:51,500
-[Faith] Exactly.
-[Matt] Wow.
627
00:36:53,458 --> 00:36:55,000
You left at 18?
628
00:36:55,167 --> 00:36:56,708
-19
-[Matt] 19?
629
00:36:59,083 --> 00:37:01,292
[Faith] It took a few years
before I came to the realization
630
00:37:01,458 --> 00:37:04,000
that Warren Jeffs
wasn't the prophet.
631
00:37:04,208 --> 00:37:05,458
[Matt] Wow.
632
00:37:05,583 --> 00:37:06,833
[Faith] Because when we grew up
in the FLDS,
633
00:37:07,042 --> 00:37:10,958
every single thing was enveloped
by this religion
634
00:37:11,667 --> 00:37:15,250
and Warren Jeffs
was our connection to God.
635
00:37:31,208 --> 00:37:33,500
What he said mattered
more than anything,
636
00:37:34,750 --> 00:37:37,833
more than our dads, more than
our moms, more than anyone.
637
00:37:40,333 --> 00:37:44,375
So, we looked at him
as basically like a god.
638
00:37:46,875 --> 00:37:49,542
It was taught to me
that it was a woman's duty
639
00:37:49,708 --> 00:37:51,750
to bring children
into the earth.
640
00:37:52,792 --> 00:37:54,667
And you were you--
when were you taught that?
641
00:37:54,833 --> 00:37:55,917
Since birth.
642
00:38:02,542 --> 00:38:05,833
Warren Jeffs started
to make strict rules
643
00:38:05,958 --> 00:38:09,708
here and there and they just got
stricter and stricter
644
00:38:09,875 --> 00:38:12,333
and so, I remember that making
an impact on me.
645
00:38:13,792 --> 00:38:17,583
He got rid of the community
events that we had.
646
00:38:18,208 --> 00:38:22,375
He made socializing--
the term socializing a bad word.
647
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:24,958
He's the one that made the rule,
no internet.
648
00:38:25,875 --> 00:38:29,167
For education in the FLDS,
they had private schools
649
00:38:29,292 --> 00:38:32,375
and we would have the typical
first grade through high school.
650
00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:36,333
But when I was 13, the year
that I was supposed
651
00:38:36,458 --> 00:38:39,167
to enter into freshman year
of high school,
652
00:38:39,708 --> 00:38:42,292
Warren Jeffs decided
that we no longer needed
653
00:38:42,417 --> 00:38:44,708
high school
and so he got rid of that.
654
00:38:45,208 --> 00:38:48,167
I was very disappointed
because I-- I loved school.
655
00:38:49,292 --> 00:38:54,250
So, I got this algebra book
and so I started teaching myself
656
00:38:54,750 --> 00:38:57,250
and then I went
to my oldest brother, Lud,
657
00:38:57,750 --> 00:39:00,042
And asked him
if I could go to college.
658
00:39:00,917 --> 00:39:02,500
He said, "Well, I need
to get permission."
659
00:39:02,583 --> 00:39:05,417
And so supposedly, he talked
to Warren in prison
660
00:39:05,542 --> 00:39:06,833
and he got back to me
661
00:39:06,958 --> 00:39:08,875
and he said, "You're welcome
to go get your GED."
662
00:39:09,375 --> 00:39:11,667
And so I went and I got my GED
at age 16
663
00:39:11,833 --> 00:39:14,333
and then I just enrolled
in college classes right away.
664
00:39:14,875 --> 00:39:16,917
Growing up we were not allowed
to engage
665
00:39:17,083 --> 00:39:18,167
with the outside world at all.
666
00:39:18,375 --> 00:39:20,583
So when I was in college,
that's when my --
667
00:39:20,708 --> 00:39:22,625
the wheels in my brain
really started turning.
668
00:39:23,708 --> 00:39:25,833
I started displaying
outward signs of rebellion,
669
00:39:25,917 --> 00:39:29,625
like I no longer wore the big
poof in the front of my hair.
670
00:39:29,708 --> 00:39:32,083
I pulled my hair back
and not caring.
671
00:39:32,958 --> 00:39:34,750
There were no fights
over these little rebellions.
672
00:39:34,875 --> 00:39:37,292
My family just kind of started
to ignore me
673
00:39:37,417 --> 00:39:39,333
and that was excruciating.
674
00:39:40,083 --> 00:39:43,125
I was always told that anyone
who had left was very miserable
675
00:39:43,917 --> 00:39:46,375
and they all wanted to come back
and I had an older brother
676
00:39:46,458 --> 00:39:48,500
who left
who I had no contact with,
677
00:39:48,708 --> 00:39:50,833
because we were not allowed
to talk to anyone who had left.
678
00:39:51,875 --> 00:39:54,750
I knew that if I left
that my family would cut me off
679
00:39:54,917 --> 00:39:58,000
because I saw how they reacted
to my older brother leaving.
680
00:39:58,125 --> 00:40:01,583
[music]
681
00:40:01,708 --> 00:40:03,208
[Matt] Why did you leave?
682
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:05,042
[Faith] I got a hold
of my brother who left
683
00:40:05,208 --> 00:40:06,875
and I-- I said, "Hey,
I just want to know,
684
00:40:07,042 --> 00:40:09,583
I'm thinking about leaving
and I want to know
685
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:11,833
if you regret it.
If you regret leaving."
686
00:40:11,917 --> 00:40:14,083
Like just be -- just be upfront
with me
687
00:40:15,042 --> 00:40:16,667
and he said,
"No, it's the best thing
688
00:40:16,750 --> 00:40:19,000
that's ever happened to me
and I would recommend it
689
00:40:19,167 --> 00:40:20,333
to every single person there."
690
00:40:21,042 --> 00:40:22,917
And that was another
mind blowing moment.
691
00:40:23,542 --> 00:40:27,833
Because I was like,
wait, I've been lied to.
692
00:40:28,958 --> 00:40:32,583
Like, what is going on here?
I've been lied to.
693
00:40:33,708 --> 00:40:36,000
My parents have been lying
to me.
694
00:40:37,542 --> 00:40:38,708
You know, I heard -- I heard it
695
00:40:38,875 --> 00:40:40,000
straight from
my brother's mouth.
696
00:40:40,083 --> 00:40:41,958
He didn't--
he didn't regret leaving.
697
00:40:43,792 --> 00:40:45,833
That's the moment that I decided
I wasn't--
698
00:40:46,542 --> 00:40:47,917
I wasn't going to stay.
699
00:40:56,333 --> 00:40:58,125
I had no plans when I left.
700
00:40:59,042 --> 00:41:02,333
I had a total of $60 cash
in my pocket.
701
00:41:02,750 --> 00:41:05,292
My first job
was a 911 dispatcher
702
00:41:06,458 --> 00:41:11,375
with the law enforcement agency
in Williston, North Dakota.
703
00:41:12,375 --> 00:41:15,625
I didn't know normal things
like you have to be on time.
704
00:41:16,833 --> 00:41:18,333
Yeah there were some
rough patches of me
705
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:22,042
Just figuring out how you are
suppose to operate in a job.
706
00:41:25,042 --> 00:41:26,500
I made it through
nursing school.
707
00:41:26,625 --> 00:41:27,875
I'm a career woman.
708
00:41:28,833 --> 00:41:31,000
I like to take vacations.
I have friends.
709
00:41:34,708 --> 00:41:38,667
[Matt] Kids are hurt, you know,
people want to protect kids.
710
00:41:38,833 --> 00:41:41,333
So, why within
Sam's organization
711
00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:43,583
or the FLDS religion
712
00:41:44,125 --> 00:41:46,667
don't people report things
to the police?
713
00:41:46,833 --> 00:41:49,417
So, I genuinely believe
that my-- that the people
714
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:50,667
who are a part of Sam's group
715
00:41:50,792 --> 00:41:52,625
do not believe
they're hurting kids.
716
00:41:53,708 --> 00:41:56,333
They see what's going on
as a sacred ordinance
717
00:41:57,167 --> 00:41:58,708
and so I believe that
that's the reason
718
00:41:58,875 --> 00:42:00,042
they are not reporting.
719
00:42:01,167 --> 00:42:04,292
So, for my little sisters,
I want them to get to a point
720
00:42:04,417 --> 00:42:05,583
where they can choose
what they want
721
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:06,958
in their own lives.
722
00:42:08,208 --> 00:42:09,417
It's not going to be easy.
723
00:42:10,042 --> 00:42:12,417
I remember being told that,
you know, misery loves company
724
00:42:12,542 --> 00:42:15,250
and so the apostates are going
to tell you whatever they can
725
00:42:15,458 --> 00:42:16,958
to get you to join them
in their misery.
726
00:42:18,125 --> 00:42:19,958
So, I know that that's what
they're thinking of me,
727
00:42:21,208 --> 00:42:23,708
but I'll never stop trying
to get them to leave.
728
00:42:34,750 --> 00:42:36,042
[Matt] Keep doing
what you're doing.
729
00:42:36,208 --> 00:42:39,250
You're doing amazing work.
Just keep doing it.
730
00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:41,917
The fact that Faith
would come forward,
731
00:42:42,042 --> 00:42:46,167
with everything riding on her,
with her family and her career.
732
00:42:46,583 --> 00:42:48,458
Hopefully law enforcement
will see this
733
00:42:48,875 --> 00:42:50,500
and they'll want to take action
on it
734
00:42:51,208 --> 00:42:54,500
and when you bring somebody
wanting to speak out
735
00:42:54,708 --> 00:42:56,500
about injustices
happening to people
736
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in her own family,
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I hope other people catch on
and want to do the same.
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[music]
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