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[interviewer] How old are you?
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A child from the Ukraine
who was adopted by
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a married couple here
in the US,
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what happens after that
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will make your head
burst into flame.
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[reporter] Is this a childor a grown woman?
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Bruh, this documentary
is unhinged as hell.
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It's called The Curious Caseof Natalia Grace.
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The Curious Caseof Natalia Grace.
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It is shocking.
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[reporter 2] More than10 million people watched.
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I have never watched
a documentary this good.
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This story captured
the imagination of the world.
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Oh, my God. I'm blown away.
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Whoa. I am shooketh.
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She was gonna kill everybody.
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She's evil.
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[woman] You've adopted a kid
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and nowthey're trying to kill you.
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I mean, it's the stuff
of a horror movie, right?
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[man] Like a serial killeror something.
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[anonymous person speaking]
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Kristine tried to set me up
with Natalia.
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She was an adult.
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[Nicole DePaul]
Natalia was a child.
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Is it true? Is it not?
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We don't know.
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[woman 2] Definitely notan area of town
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that I would let my kidswalk around unattended.
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He's not the kind of guy
that could do well
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if he had to go to prison.
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[voice breaking]
I couldn't!
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I just couldn't.
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What a creepy guy.
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Who does that with
his daughter?
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[news anchor]
Eight months later,
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the world is unifiedin one thing.
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They want to hearfrom Natalia.
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[woman 3] They don't know thatthere's 100% one villain here.
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[woman 4] There were all thesepieces to a puzzle
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that we couldn't quiteput together.
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[Beth Karas]
Natalia was a victim.
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The Barnettsare the predators.
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[man 2] Kristine tryingto beat the truth out of her.
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That was what
broke my heart the most.
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[interviewer speaking]
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Just when you think
you have it solved,
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you find out you don't.
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[man 3]
The story just got crazier.
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[man 4] You mightnot like the truth.
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[Natalia]
The Barnetts tried to paint meas this big monster.
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They claimedI'm lying about my age.
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I was six years oldwhen they adopted me.
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but the Barnetts dida petition to change my ageto 22 years old.
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I literally lost my childhood.
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[Cynthia Mans]
When the verdictwas handed down for Michael
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and they said, "Not guilty,"
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and he looked at us
and he smirked...
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it was like watching
my daughter be raped.
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There was no justice served.
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If I could'vecaught Kristine in an alley
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and put a black hoodie on,
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I would have busted her
upside the head.
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There are things
I'm gonna tell you
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that you have not heard
from anyone else yet.
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Michael and Kristine
are cowards.
They're heartless cowards.
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That's not love. That's hate.
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Sometimes the truth
is crazier than fiction.
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She knew that she couldn't
"give the kid back."
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She's a little girl.
She's not a car.
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[scoffs]
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Many of these questions,
there's not gonna be
a single answer to,
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there's gonna bea lot of answers to.
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[Dr. Timothy Gossweiler]
What I'm about to show you
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will be definitive as to
how old Natalia was.
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[Dr. Halland Chen] Her DNAhas all the answers.
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I was never in y'all's room
with a knife.
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I know what I saw.
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[Natalia] In every lie,is a hidden truth.
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But you gotta dig enoughto be able to see it.
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They're not gonnaget away with this.
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This is my side of the story.
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Do I look like
a monster to you?
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There has been so much time
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that I've been just trying
to figure out who I am.
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I have no idea.
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Because, right now, this is
like a 1,000-piece puzzle
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and I think I have like maybe
only 300 pieces together.
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I want you to know
how old I am.
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I want you to know
about my past,
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because I wanna know too.
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It's very fuzzy.
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Like, there's a lot of thingsthat I remember,
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but like I can't picture it.
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So I want the puzzleto be complete.
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But the things that Kristine
and Michael have said
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that I've done
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is a lie.
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It was all copied offthe movie Orphan.
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Ukrainian girl, Russian girl.
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Check.
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Orphan. Check.
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All this crazy stuff,
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standing at the end of the bed
with a knife.
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Check.
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That's why I wanna do this.
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That's why I wanna tell people
what really happened,
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because I didn't get
that chance.
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Michael and Kristineare painting me
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as this homicidal maniac.
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"She was eating her period.
And she hid it for this long.
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And having pubic hair at
seven years old,
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like, don't trust her. Don't
believe anything she says.
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She's trying
to murder my family,"
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and this, that and the third.
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But then you're gonna
come into that apartment
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that y'all dropped my off in
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and pretty much
try to murder me.
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I just want people to
know the truth.
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I'm Bishop Antwon Mans.
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And I am Natalia's dad.
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We started taking in children.
We wanted to adopt
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because there was a lot ofchildren who need a family,
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who don't have a family.
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I'm Cynthia Mans.
I love being a mom.
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I have literally 11 children.
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And I'm Natalia Grace's mom.
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[Natalia] I've been with theMans family for over 10 years.
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You can see my life
the way it is.
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-[Antwon] A lot of love.
Great.
-Thank you.
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[Natalia] I finally haveparents that love me
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more than Kristine and Michael
ever did.
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My dad and my mom,they let me be a kid.
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My dad protects me.
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He does what a dad
is supposed to do.
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My momgives me hugs every day
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and tells mehow much she loves me.
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And never once
have they had to worry
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about me hurting their kids.
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I have siblings that love me.You can see that they love me
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and that I love them.
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[laughing] Hi!
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Hi. Oh, hi!
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Hi.
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There's no-- Oh, hi.
Oh, my gosh.
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She has been a light
to our family.
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She has brought so much joy.
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But when Natalia came
into our family,
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she was broken.
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[all praying]
Love in the name of Jesus.
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We plead the blood of Jesus...
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[Cynthia] And we're tryingto pick up her pieces
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from her being shattered
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by what Kristine and Michaeldid to her.
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[Antwon] We pray, God, that
the truth will be revealed.
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[Cynthia] Hallelujah.
Thank you, Jesus.
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I'm Beth Karas. I'm a formerprosecutor in New York City
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and also a legal analyst.
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In my experience,
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this is one of
the most twisted cases
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I've ever seen.
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This story is very differentfrom anything I've covered.
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Usually, I'm doing stories
that have to do with murder
and mayhem.
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And this has no murder,
but it has a lot of mayhem,
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and a lot of it.
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I mean, it's like a ping pong.
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It's just going inone direction to another
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as new information
comes to light.
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Especially now that Natalia
is able to speak to us.
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And, today,it seems pretty clear
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that Natalia has the familyshe's always wanted,
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the Manses.
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But that wasn'talways the case.
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'Cause back in 2013,the Barnetts relocated Natalia
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to Tippecanoe County
as a re-aged adult.
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So she's living thereon her own.
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At an adult learning center,
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Natalia gets the attention
of the faculty and staff
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because it's
an adult learning center,
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but she's kind of childlike.
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So they call the police.
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This is what led the current
Sheriff of Tippecanoe County,
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Bob Goldsmith,
but then a detective,
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to get involved in
the investigation of Natalia.
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I'm Bob Goldsmith. I'm theSheriff of Tippecanoe County.
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In our Detective Division,I was the first detectiveinvolved.
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People talk about a case
that's kind of like
a defining moment,
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the one they'll never forget.
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This is one of those cases.
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It was in September, 2014,
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when I received a phone callfrom Excel Center.
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They said they had
a young lady that had came in,
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was enrolled in school,
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and things just
weren't adding up.
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She said this young lady
has an Indiana ID
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that says she's like22 years old,
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twenty-five years old
or something like that,
they said.
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But the conversations she has,
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you'd think she's like
maybe 11.
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I've been around peoplewith special needs
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throughout my career,
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but nobody like Natalia.
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When she walked in,
her backpack was bigger
than she was.
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And she was very, very short.
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And she climbed right up in
the chair and started talking.
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I asked her if she--
"Do you think you're
25 years old?"
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And she said, "No."
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[Travis] I rememberwe got in the car,we both have kids,
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and we're just like, "There's
no way she's that old."
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Some people, they have
commented that it's an act.
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What's your take
on Natalia acting?
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In all the interactions that
me and you had with Natalia
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at the Excel Center and here,
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even watching herin the lobby,
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she always acted
like a little child.
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She played
like a little child.
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She talked
like a little child.
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If she's acting,
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she never broke it
that we could see.
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I know at one point,
I asked Natalia,
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um, if she had been abused.
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And she kind of
closed up on me.
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She quit talking.
She got silent.
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You could tell
she was uncomfortable.
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I don't know if that's
physical abuse, sexual,
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I have no idea.
But I wasn't gonna pry.
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Um, I learned through
the training
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and having interviewed
several kids
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and working these cases
over the years,
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it's not gonna
do any good to pry.
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Um, when a child's ready
to tell their story,
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they'll tell it.
So I just left it alone.
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Knowing what I know,
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I don't think
justice has been served.
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But what I do believe
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is that Natalia's in a place
where's she's happy now,
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and she feels safe,
and she feels loved.
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And that's what she said
she wanted.
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I don't know.
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No.
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Because Natalia
had been telling everybody,
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therapists, doctors, us,
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um, that she was a grown-up.
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[Natalia] It's true thatI told everybodythat I'm 22 years old.
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But...
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Kristine literally
trained me to lie.
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And--
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that's what makes it worse,
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the fact that it had to
come from me
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and...
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they could use that
against me,
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like, "Oh, but you said it."
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You said that you was
22 years old.
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And then they changed my age.
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That whole thing was just
a big chain reaction
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from one lie.
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But people don't knowwhat happened in that house.
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They tortured me.
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I was abused.
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Kristine is the real monster.
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Michael is an accompliceto the monster...
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because he went along witheverything that Kristine said.
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Who does that?
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[Natalia] Changing my age
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is the worst thing thatthe Barnetts ever did to me.
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It hurts every single day.
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But I was so terrifiedof Kristine.
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When she told meto tell people
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that I was 22 years old,
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that's what I did.
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One time, Kristine told me,she was like,
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"I'm gonna show youwhat it's gonna feel like.
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If you do something wrong,I'ma pepper spray you."
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Kristine told meto keep my eyes open.
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And then she justpepper sprayed me.
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And I couldn't
do anything about it.
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She literally made me sitthere for like ten minutes.
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Until I could finally gowash it out.
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And, even then,it still hurt.
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And she didn't care.
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She didn't care.
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[sniffles]
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It just really hurt...
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because she was supposed
to be my mom.
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But she didn't
act like a mom to me.
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[Beth] Kristine was goingto push the envelope
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as far as she could
to try to break Natalia.
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So Kristine starts putting
words in Natalia's mouth.
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"This is what you tell people.
This is what you say.
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You're 22."
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And the threat of
being pepper sprayed
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was just another
control mechanism.
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The abuse against Nataliadidn't start immediately.
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But the Barnetts' attemptto control the narrative did.
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[Michael]
Looking back to 2010,
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something just wasn't right.
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And you've gotta understand
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with it beinga closed adoption,
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the adoption agencywas not willing to shareany details of her
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when we asked them originally,
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"Can you help give us
contact information
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for her old family.
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We have got to find out
what's going on here."
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They said, "No, we can't."
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And then I got a phone call
from the secretary
of the adoption agency
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a little bit later that day.
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And she said, "I can't
tell you where she's from.
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But check her luggage closer."
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There was a little ID tag
inside of her bag
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when we adopted her
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that had the original
family's information on it.
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I have never
met them in person.
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I have no idea
why they would say
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they never met the Ciccones
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when they literally met them
at the adoption agency.
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Like, I rememberhaving to wait
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for who knows how long
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while the Cicconestalked to the Barnetts.
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Like, that's literallylike how I remember it,
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like plain as day.
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So...
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I don't understand that.
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The Ciccones were the firstfamily that ever adopted mefrom the Ukraine.
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I remember find out that
they were gonna adopt me
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and I was so excited
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because all I've ever known
was being in that orphanage.
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And then just to find out that
someone is gonna adopt me
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was just
an awesome thing for me.
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Like, I was so excited.
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I was happy that I was
finally gonna have a family
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that actually wanted to-- me.
332
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When we finally like pulled upinto their big driveway,
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like it was a hill.
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And I was just like, "Whoa."
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Like, I remember
my 5-year-old self
being so excited
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'cause it was a big house.
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Once we got in,
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I literally like
just looked everywhere.
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And then they opened a door
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and through that doorwas my bedroom.
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And I was so excitedit was pink.
342
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[laughs] And it was just likethere was everything in there.
343
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I was with themfor about two years.
344
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But, yeah, there was
a lot of good memories there.
345
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But then it was like
after a while, like...
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everything kind of changed.
347
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One time, me andthe little boy, Buro,
348
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we were just playing.
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I landed on Buro's arm wrong.
350
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And I just kept saying,"I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
351
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I didn't mean to hurt you."
352
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But then Gary came inand he just started yelling.
353
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And then,
as he was walking away,
354
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I was crying and I was mad,
355
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I said, "I hate you."
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After that,
Gary, I guess,
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like, he didn't like
me anymore,
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like, that's what I felt,
359
00:18:37,533 --> 00:18:38,567
like, it felt like
he hated me.
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00:18:42,367 --> 00:18:47,367
Then one day, I remember
Dyan coming in my room,
361
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she told me,
she was like,
362
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"I'm not gonna be
your mom anymore,
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but I will always love you."
364
00:18:54,867 --> 00:18:58,133
And, like, I didn't knowwhat was going on.
365
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I felt like I was abandoned
most of the time
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because I bounced around from
so many different families.
367
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Dyan Ciccone had gone to
the Little People of America
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and said, "This little girl
is available for adoption."
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There were three little peoplecouples interested in Natalia,
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but none of themhad worked out.
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Gary and Dyan,
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they passed mearound from families,and I met a bunch,
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but they didn'twanna adopt me,
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or something happened.
375
00:19:32,166 --> 00:19:34,266
And then all of a sudden,
she told me that
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they found a family
that wanted me.
377
00:19:38,300 --> 00:19:41,166
And that's
where we were going,
we were going to Florida.
378
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It makes me mad
379
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because I pretty
much got sold,
380
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like I'm some toy!
381
00:19:57,867 --> 00:20:01,066
When the Ciccones took meto the adoption agency,
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I remember being told to just
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sit outside the room
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and just wait.
385
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And the Ciccones
went in first
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and talked
to Michael and Kristine
and the three boys.
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I remember waitingfor a while, like,I felt like a long time.
388
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Finally, the Ciccones
came out, and it was like,
389
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"You can come in now."
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And I remember running up to
Michael and giving him a hug,
391
00:20:25,934 --> 00:20:27,066
and I called him Daddy,
392
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'cause the Ciccones
told me that
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00:20:29,867 --> 00:20:32,867
Michael and Kristine
were gonna be my parents.
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I think it was Kristine
who told me, she was like,
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"We're gonna be
your family now,"
396
00:20:38,467 --> 00:20:42,767
and I remember still being
very sad and very confused.
397
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I believe I cried too.
398
00:20:45,567 --> 00:20:47,667
She was like, "It's okay."
399
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They acted like they wantedme to be their daughter.
400
00:20:50,967 --> 00:20:54,433
So all I thought was just,"I've found my family.
401
00:20:55,767 --> 00:20:58,467
They're gonna love me."
402
00:20:58,467 --> 00:21:01,433
But thinking back on it...
403
00:21:02,667 --> 00:21:05,967
I think I trusted
them too fast.
404
00:21:15,100 --> 00:21:16,767
My name is Jackie Starbuck.
405
00:21:16,767 --> 00:21:22,834
I was the leaddeputy prosecutor on theState versus Barnett cases.
406
00:21:24,266 --> 00:21:25,767
There are things
I'm gonna tell you
407
00:21:25,834 --> 00:21:27,767
that you probably
have not heard
408
00:21:27,767 --> 00:21:29,166
from anyone else yet
409
00:21:29,233 --> 00:21:30,667
that are part of the truth.
410
00:21:30,667 --> 00:21:35,567
As we were conducting
this investigation and talking
to witnesses,
411
00:21:35,634 --> 00:21:38,767
it was clear that there
was something going on
412
00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:42,066
that was unusual,
to say the least.
413
00:21:42,133 --> 00:21:48,567
From the time that Nataliacame to the Barnetts
414
00:21:48,567 --> 00:21:50,667
in April of 2010,
415
00:21:50,734 --> 00:21:52,867
there continued to be
a pattern of saying,
416
00:21:52,867 --> 00:21:56,166
"Well, we don't know
how old Natalia is.
417
00:21:56,166 --> 00:21:59,667
We think she's this age.
We think she's an adult."
418
00:21:59,667 --> 00:22:02,467
When in fact,
they had been told repeatedly
419
00:22:02,467 --> 00:22:05,667
by multiple
medical professionals
420
00:22:05,734 --> 00:22:07,266
that that wasn't the case.
421
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They were working to hide,
really, that they ever had
any connection with Natalia,
422
00:22:11,634 --> 00:22:12,767
'cause they also
claimed that
423
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they didn't have
any records at all
424
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about Natalia's
prior medical history,
425
00:22:18,934 --> 00:22:21,667
and yet, they were providing
to the school system
426
00:22:21,667 --> 00:22:25,033
medical records from
before she was with them.
427
00:22:26,367 --> 00:22:28,100
[Beth] Michael liedwhen he said
428
00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:29,367
he never metthe Ciccones,
429
00:22:29,433 --> 00:22:32,467
and he lied when he saidthis was a closed adoption.
430
00:22:32,467 --> 00:22:36,100
A closed adoption,
by definition, means
431
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no information about
or contact with
432
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the prior family.
433
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,166
Not only do we haveNatalia's account
434
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of the Cicconesand Barnetts meeting
435
00:22:46,166 --> 00:22:47,867
at Adoption by Shepherd Care,
436
00:22:47,867 --> 00:22:49,867
but we have email exchanges
437
00:22:49,867 --> 00:22:51,266
between the Barnetts
438
00:22:51,266 --> 00:22:52,467
and the Ciccones.
439
00:22:54,367 --> 00:22:58,266
And these emailexchanges included
440
00:22:58,333 --> 00:23:01,567
the executive director
of Adoption by Shepherd Care.
441
00:23:01,634 --> 00:23:03,767
They were talkingto both families.
442
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There were alsosigned contracts.
443
00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:10,066
And the Ciccones
444
00:23:10,133 --> 00:23:11,266
and Barnetts were involved
445
00:23:11,333 --> 00:23:12,567
in a legal proceeding
446
00:23:12,567 --> 00:23:13,767
within a few months
447
00:23:13,767 --> 00:23:15,867
of picking up Nataliain Florida,
448
00:23:15,867 --> 00:23:17,166
because therewere complications
449
00:23:17,233 --> 00:23:18,567
with the adoption.
450
00:23:18,634 --> 00:23:21,066
But for some reason,
Michael hid this fact.
451
00:23:23,867 --> 00:23:26,767
And he led usto believe that
452
00:23:26,834 --> 00:23:30,166
Adoption by Shepherd Care
was the sole adoption agency
453
00:23:30,166 --> 00:23:32,166
brokering the adoption
of Natalia,
454
00:23:32,166 --> 00:23:33,767
but that's not true.
455
00:23:33,767 --> 00:23:36,767
We get this phone call
out of the blue
456
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from Adoption
by Shepherd Care.
457
00:23:38,367 --> 00:23:39,967
We get this phone call
458
00:23:40,033 --> 00:23:41,767
from Adoption
by Shepherd Care.
459
00:23:41,834 --> 00:23:45,567
I have nobody to trust
except for the experts
involved, in this case,
460
00:23:45,567 --> 00:23:48,066
it's gonna be
Adoption by Shepherd Care.
461
00:23:48,133 --> 00:23:51,567
[Beth] But Gateway Woodswas their adoption agency.
462
00:23:51,567 --> 00:23:54,266
Michael never mentions
Gateway Woods.
463
00:23:54,767 --> 00:23:55,934
Why not?
464
00:23:58,467 --> 00:24:00,066
And I remember,
465
00:24:00,066 --> 00:24:01,867
after we left
the adoption agency,
466
00:24:01,867 --> 00:24:03,467
we went to Disney World.
467
00:24:04,900 --> 00:24:07,166
And I remember
seeing the Ciccones
468
00:24:07,166 --> 00:24:08,767
and I remember
pointing them out.
469
00:24:08,767 --> 00:24:10,867
I was like, "Hey, it's Mom."
470
00:24:10,934 --> 00:24:14,467
And then Kristine was like,
"That's not your mom anymore.
471
00:24:14,467 --> 00:24:15,767
I'm your mom now."
472
00:24:15,767 --> 00:24:17,166
And I was like, "Oh."
473
00:24:17,166 --> 00:24:19,667
Like, I didn't really know
what to say to that.
474
00:24:19,734 --> 00:24:23,066
I was worried, like, "I hope
I don't do something wrong."
475
00:24:23,767 --> 00:24:25,667
We get to the hotel that night
476
00:24:25,734 --> 00:24:29,634
and Kristine's going to giveour brand-new daughter a bath,
477
00:24:30,467 --> 00:24:32,634
and I hear a shout
from the bathroom.
478
00:24:34,667 --> 00:24:37,767
She says,
"Michael, look down."
479
00:24:37,834 --> 00:24:39,834
And Natalia
had full pubic hair.
480
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,467
The first night,Kristine gave me a bath,
481
00:24:44,467 --> 00:24:48,166
and, like, she never
mentioned anything to me
482
00:24:48,166 --> 00:24:51,467
about pubic hair or anything
like that. Like, I didn't
483
00:24:51,533 --> 00:24:53,066
know what that even was.
484
00:24:53,066 --> 00:24:54,867
Like, nobody explained
anything like that to me.
485
00:24:54,934 --> 00:24:58,000
I was six, about to be seven,
like, I didn't know.
486
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,233
I don't know whythey said what they've said.
487
00:25:03,266 --> 00:25:06,767
I don't remember Michaelever coming into the bathroom.
488
00:25:06,834 --> 00:25:08,367
I, like, honestly, I don't.
489
00:25:08,367 --> 00:25:10,667
Like, I just remember Kristine
just helping me get dressed,
490
00:25:10,667 --> 00:25:13,066
and then we were just
getting ready to go to bed.
491
00:25:13,066 --> 00:25:16,467
I don't remember her, like,calling Michael or anything
492
00:25:16,467 --> 00:25:19,100
like that, I don't remember
Kristine doing any of that.
493
00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:21,967
I just don't understand
why the Barnetts
494
00:25:22,033 --> 00:25:24,867
would say that
I have pubic hair
495
00:25:24,867 --> 00:25:27,266
or anything like that,
496
00:25:27,333 --> 00:25:32,266
because literally, like,
I didn't start noticing
any hair, and so I was, like,
497
00:25:32,333 --> 00:25:33,834
seven, almost eight.
498
00:25:35,767 --> 00:25:38,533
But that doesn't meanthat I'm this big monster.
499
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,066
I was still a kid, like...
500
00:25:42,367 --> 00:25:45,467
Look, some kids start early.
501
00:25:45,467 --> 00:25:47,567
You know, that's just,
that's what happens.
502
00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:52,467
Regardless of what
happened in that hotel room,
503
00:25:52,533 --> 00:25:57,367
we do know that
that event did not trigger
504
00:25:57,367 --> 00:25:59,767
any desire
on the part of the Barnetts
505
00:25:59,767 --> 00:26:01,066
to return Natalia.
506
00:26:01,066 --> 00:26:04,266
Was this horror story
by the Barnetts
507
00:26:04,266 --> 00:26:07,166
in the Florida hotel room
about massive amounts
508
00:26:07,233 --> 00:26:09,667
of pubic hair really
revisionist history
509
00:26:09,667 --> 00:26:14,834
as justification for re-aging
her years later?
510
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,767
Now that Nataliais able to speak to us,
511
00:26:17,767 --> 00:26:19,367
we have more information,
512
00:26:19,433 --> 00:26:20,767
and some of that information
513
00:26:20,834 --> 00:26:24,166
includes the Gateway Woods'reports on home visits
514
00:26:24,166 --> 00:26:28,767
and Dr. Riggs' report.We did not have these before.
515
00:26:28,767 --> 00:26:31,967
And this is howwe learned the fact
516
00:26:31,967 --> 00:26:34,667
that the Barnetts wererepresented by Gateway Woods
517
00:26:34,667 --> 00:26:37,367
during the adoptionof Natalia.
518
00:26:37,367 --> 00:26:40,567
Natalia was seen
by a Dr. Riggs,
519
00:26:40,567 --> 00:26:42,367
an endocrinologist,
520
00:26:42,433 --> 00:26:45,867
on June 3rd, 2010.
521
00:26:45,867 --> 00:26:49,367
[Detective Brandon on phone]
What age was he sayingthat Natalia was?
522
00:26:49,367 --> 00:26:52,567
[Dr. Andrew on phone]
Okay, so here we go,this was the 3rd of 2010.
523
00:26:52,567 --> 00:26:57,567
So at that time, she was atthe age of 9 to 11 years old.
524
00:26:57,567 --> 00:27:01,467
[Detective Brandon on phone]
And did you tell the parentsthis directly?
525
00:27:01,467 --> 00:27:03,166
[Dr. Andrew on phone] Yes,oh, yeah, mmm-hmm.
526
00:27:03,233 --> 00:27:06,433
They were informed thatwe felt that she was a child.
527
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,100
So this is, like, five weeks
528
00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:14,367
after she enters
the Barnett household.
529
00:27:14,367 --> 00:27:17,333
They knew right away
she was a child.
530
00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:25,667
Michael had to distancehimself from Dr. Riggsand his report
531
00:27:25,734 --> 00:27:28,567
because the doctorspecifically told him
532
00:27:28,634 --> 00:27:32,266
that Natalia was a childbetween the ages of 9 and 11.
533
00:27:32,266 --> 00:27:34,867
He also had to distancehimself from Gateway Woods
534
00:27:34,867 --> 00:27:38,000
because Gateway Woodsincorporated this information
535
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,567
in their report.
536
00:27:40,567 --> 00:27:42,867
Is that why Michael ledeveryone to believe that
537
00:27:42,867 --> 00:27:45,734
Adoption by Shepherd Carewas his agency?
538
00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:49,967
By leading others to believethat the adoption was closed,
539
00:27:50,033 --> 00:27:52,166
Michael guaranteedthat few would question
540
00:27:52,166 --> 00:27:54,867
his story about the adoption.
541
00:27:54,867 --> 00:27:57,567
We know now
this is not true.
542
00:27:58,767 --> 00:28:01,467
But it madea great cover story.
543
00:28:01,467 --> 00:28:04,567
Everything could have beenso different for Natalia
544
00:28:04,567 --> 00:28:09,233
if she had been adoptedby one of the familiesshe met before the Barnetts.
545
00:28:17,567 --> 00:28:20,166
-[Nicole] We are the DePauls.
-It's not a toy.
546
00:28:20,233 --> 00:28:21,533
-[dog whines]
-No.
547
00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:23,533
[Nicole] Woohoo!
548
00:28:24,767 --> 00:28:28,066
As far as Natalia's age,she was a child.
549
00:28:28,066 --> 00:28:31,533
You like? Ooh.
You finish that.
550
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:38,333
We think the Barnettsshould be in jail,both of them.
551
00:28:39,166 --> 00:28:41,567
We attempted
to adopt Natalia
552
00:28:41,567 --> 00:28:43,934
back in, uh, 2009.
553
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:47,266
-We set up
a private meeting...
-We--
554
00:28:47,266 --> 00:28:49,767
-...really, at a museum.
-A museum, right? Yeah.
555
00:28:49,834 --> 00:28:53,433
Her adoptive mother
at the time, uh, brought her.
556
00:28:55,066 --> 00:28:56,667
-[Nicole] She came in.
-[Vincent] What a cute kid.
557
00:28:56,667 --> 00:28:58,266
-[Nicole] Oh, my gosh.
-[Vincent] She was adorable.
558
00:28:58,266 --> 00:28:59,667
-[Nicole] So cute.
-[Vincent] Absolutely.
559
00:28:59,667 --> 00:29:02,066
[Nicole] We had Mackenziealready, our daughter,
560
00:29:02,133 --> 00:29:03,567
and she was four.
561
00:29:03,634 --> 00:29:06,166
We actually have picturesof Mackenzie and her
562
00:29:06,166 --> 00:29:09,166
on this scooter together,and they were just likelong-lost sisters.
563
00:29:09,166 --> 00:29:11,667
[Vincent] Like two peasin a pod, it was really nice.
564
00:29:11,667 --> 00:29:14,166
And we had twosubsequent visits.
565
00:29:14,166 --> 00:29:17,100
[Nicole] Halloween,and they were bothprincesses that year.
566
00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:19,867
They got ready
for bed together,
they did everything.
567
00:29:19,867 --> 00:29:21,867
-[Vincent] Helped eachother blow dry their hair.
-[Nicole] Yeah.
568
00:29:21,934 --> 00:29:24,000
And then Mackenziehad a little car.
569
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,367
[Vincent] Just adorablefour and six-year-oldplaying in the yard.
570
00:29:27,367 --> 00:29:30,266
We were hopeful that it was
gonna move forward, and, uh--
571
00:29:30,333 --> 00:29:32,567
Um, yeah, like, it felt
like a bomb got dropped,
572
00:29:32,634 --> 00:29:36,967
and then we weren't able
to see Natalia again
after the last visit
573
00:29:37,033 --> 00:29:40,166
over Christmas because things
just got really messy,
574
00:29:40,166 --> 00:29:41,467
uh, with the attorneys.
575
00:29:41,533 --> 00:29:44,567
You know, it had nothing
to do with Natalia.
576
00:29:44,634 --> 00:29:46,867
-It was heartbreaking.
-It was very heartbreaking.
577
00:29:46,867 --> 00:29:47,967
Ugh.
578
00:29:47,967 --> 00:29:50,767
Very, very heartbreaking.
579
00:29:50,767 --> 00:29:54,567
The bond between Natalia
and the DePauls
580
00:29:54,634 --> 00:29:57,567
was deep and enduring.
581
00:29:57,567 --> 00:30:00,367
They loved her,had no problems with her,
582
00:30:00,433 --> 00:30:03,734
they wanted Natalia to bea member of the family.
583
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,767
I'm sorry, honey.
584
00:30:06,834 --> 00:30:09,567
This should have worked out
with the DePauls, right?
585
00:30:09,567 --> 00:30:11,567
But things get complicated
586
00:30:11,567 --> 00:30:15,166
when Child Protective Services
in New Hampshire received
587
00:30:15,233 --> 00:30:18,867
a report regarding Natalia
and the Ciccones.
588
00:30:18,867 --> 00:30:24,166
The Ciccones suspected
the DePauls filed that report.
589
00:30:24,166 --> 00:30:25,767
The DePauls denied it,
590
00:30:25,834 --> 00:30:30,467
but it culminatedin Natalia's adoptionbeing taken off the table.
591
00:30:30,533 --> 00:30:33,166
She was no longer
available to the DePauls.
592
00:30:33,166 --> 00:30:36,867
As you can imagine, this washeartbreaking for the DePauls
593
00:30:36,867 --> 00:30:38,367
and their daughter, Mackenzie,
594
00:30:38,367 --> 00:30:41,133
but also, it was
heartbreaking for Natalia.
595
00:30:44,867 --> 00:30:48,166
The DePauls, they werelittle people like me,
596
00:30:48,233 --> 00:30:51,667
and I used to always
go and visit them.
597
00:30:51,667 --> 00:30:54,934
Um, I was there for Christmas,
598
00:30:55,867 --> 00:31:00,166
Halloween, and Mackenzieand I were, like,
599
00:31:00,166 --> 00:31:02,867
it felt like we werebest friends.
600
00:31:02,867 --> 00:31:04,867
I loved hanging out with her.
601
00:31:04,867 --> 00:31:07,867
We did, like, almosteverything together.
602
00:31:07,867 --> 00:31:10,634
Just like how
sisters would be.
603
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:13,867
I really did wanna staywith the DePauls,
604
00:31:13,867 --> 00:31:18,066
so I wouldn't have
had to go through the pain
that I went through.
605
00:31:18,133 --> 00:31:22,967
I felt like they actually
wanted me and they loved me.
606
00:31:23,033 --> 00:31:26,467
But-- And then it was just,
like, I just stopped
seeing them.
607
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:29,100
And I was sad about that.
608
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:31,467
I don't know, it was
just a really weird thing,
609
00:31:31,467 --> 00:31:33,634
like, I just stopped
seeing them altogether.
610
00:31:34,467 --> 00:31:35,834
Oh, yeah.
611
00:31:38,567 --> 00:31:41,767
[Nicole] A few months later,Kristine messaged me,
612
00:31:41,767 --> 00:31:45,867
and she said,"We adopted Natalia."
613
00:31:45,934 --> 00:31:49,266
The first red flag that I saw
with the Barnett family was
614
00:31:49,266 --> 00:31:53,567
they got Natalia
way too quickly,
never even met her.
615
00:31:53,567 --> 00:31:55,667
And they just,
basically, that was it.
616
00:31:55,667 --> 00:31:57,066
They just ripped her
out of the family.
617
00:31:57,133 --> 00:31:58,367
[Vincent] That was
kind of shocking to us.
618
00:31:58,367 --> 00:32:00,066
-Should we--
-"Should we make
sure it's a good fit?"
619
00:32:00,066 --> 00:32:01,467
-Yeah.
-"Should we make
sure she likes us?"
620
00:32:01,467 --> 00:32:04,266
"Should we make sure
she's comfortable with us
and our other kids?"
621
00:32:04,266 --> 00:32:09,166
She's a little girl,
she's not a car. [scoffs]
622
00:32:09,166 --> 00:32:14,166
Another thing that felt weird
was Kristine asked me,
623
00:32:14,166 --> 00:32:17,367
you know, "Had you ever, um,questioned Natalia's age?"
624
00:32:17,367 --> 00:32:20,066
I said, "I've never once
questioned Natalia's age."
625
00:32:20,133 --> 00:32:24,634
I said, "I have
her birth certificate,
I have all of her paperwork."
626
00:32:26,667 --> 00:32:28,667
-Do you remember this?
-[Mackenzie] Yeah.
627
00:32:28,734 --> 00:32:30,266
-This was at the museum...
-The museum.
628
00:32:30,266 --> 00:32:31,867
...when we first met Natalia.
629
00:32:31,867 --> 00:32:33,767
It was in 2009.
630
00:32:34,367 --> 00:32:36,467
And look at her tooth.
631
00:32:36,467 --> 00:32:39,066
-See? It's missing, right?
-[Mackenzie] Yeah.
632
00:32:41,066 --> 00:32:46,166
In this picture, you can see
the difference. See the teeth?
633
00:32:46,233 --> 00:32:47,667
This one's from Halloween.
634
00:32:47,667 --> 00:32:49,166
Can you see the teeth?
635
00:32:51,367 --> 00:32:54,266
And then this one
is before that.
636
00:32:54,333 --> 00:32:58,266
You could tell the changes,
obviously, in her teeth here.
637
00:32:58,266 --> 00:33:02,967
And adults don't have changesin their teeth like that.
638
00:33:02,967 --> 00:33:05,166
That happens only
once in your life,
639
00:33:05,166 --> 00:33:07,100
when you're around
six years old,
640
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:08,567
exactly how old she is...
641
00:33:08,567 --> 00:33:10,266
-[both chuckle]
-...in 2009.
642
00:33:10,266 --> 00:33:12,166
Does that look like
a 20-year-old to you?
643
00:33:12,166 --> 00:33:13,266
I mean, come on.
644
00:33:13,266 --> 00:33:15,767
-[both chuckle]
-I'm sorry,
which is ludicrous.
645
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:25,867
I remember,when I was with the Barnetts,
646
00:33:25,867 --> 00:33:28,967
we had just gotback from dinner,
647
00:33:28,967 --> 00:33:31,166
and my tooth came out.
648
00:33:31,233 --> 00:33:33,233
I had a wiggly tooth,
and my tooth came out.
649
00:33:34,066 --> 00:33:36,100
Of course, Kristine
didn't believe me.
650
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:38,166
She said, "Why did
you pull your tooth out?"
651
00:33:38,233 --> 00:33:40,767
I said, "I didn't
pull my tooth out."
652
00:33:40,834 --> 00:33:43,867
And there was,
like, a long piece,
653
00:33:43,867 --> 00:33:46,100
like, I guess, like,
almost, like, the root of it,
654
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:49,667
and she's like, "See,
the root is right there,
you pulled it out.
655
00:33:49,667 --> 00:33:53,166
That wouldn't be there if
your tooth actually fell out."
656
00:33:54,867 --> 00:33:56,867
And I didn't know
what to say to that,
657
00:33:56,867 --> 00:34:00,867
but I just kept telling her,
"No, I didn't, I didn't pull
my tooth out, it fell out."
658
00:34:00,934 --> 00:34:03,867
But she just kept telling me,
"You're lying, you pulled
your tooth out."
659
00:34:09,367 --> 00:34:11,266
Ny name is Dr. Tim Gossweiler,
660
00:34:11,266 --> 00:34:16,467
I've been practicing generaldentistry for 34 years,
661
00:34:16,467 --> 00:34:18,767
and I am the dentist that,
662
00:34:18,767 --> 00:34:20,867
uh, Natalia Barnett
663
00:34:20,867 --> 00:34:21,767
and her mother
664
00:34:21,767 --> 00:34:22,867
came to see in 2011.
665
00:34:23,567 --> 00:34:25,467
Mrs. Barnett
brought in Natalia,
666
00:34:25,467 --> 00:34:28,867
and was saying,
"We have a question
as to how old Natalia is,
667
00:34:28,867 --> 00:34:30,967
we think she might be older
than what she says she is.
668
00:34:31,033 --> 00:34:32,767
Is there a way
you can find out?"
669
00:34:32,767 --> 00:34:35,033
Uh, which is an
unusual request.
670
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:40,567
Talking to Natalia, she lookedlike she was about seven,
671
00:34:40,567 --> 00:34:42,767
but she acted likeshe was much older.
672
00:34:42,767 --> 00:34:45,367
She was answeringquestions articulately.
673
00:34:45,367 --> 00:34:47,767
So at seven years old,you just don't seethat all the time,
674
00:34:47,767 --> 00:34:51,567
and that's why I thought,
"Well, this girl can't
be seven years old."
675
00:34:51,634 --> 00:34:53,767
And I can see how
mom would think that,
676
00:34:53,767 --> 00:34:57,333
after talking to her, because
she seemed very mature.
677
00:34:58,266 --> 00:35:01,367
I did ask
how do they know
678
00:35:01,433 --> 00:35:05,066
that she's not six
or whatever when they got her?
679
00:35:05,066 --> 00:35:07,567
And she's like, "Well,
we had dental records done
680
00:35:07,634 --> 00:35:09,767
on her and the dentist said
681
00:35:09,767 --> 00:35:12,467
that none of her teeth
are baby teeth,
682
00:35:12,467 --> 00:35:14,767
they're all adult teeth.
683
00:35:14,767 --> 00:35:18,934
So I was like, "Okay, okay."
[chuckles softly]
684
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,066
[Dr. Timothy] This is the roomwhere we did Natalia'spanoramic X-ray.
685
00:35:25,133 --> 00:35:26,667
So what I'm about
to show you
686
00:35:26,667 --> 00:35:29,567
will be a definitive
answer as to
687
00:35:29,634 --> 00:35:33,066
how old Natalia was in 2011.
688
00:35:36,667 --> 00:35:40,000
Yeah, we determined
that she had, uh,
689
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,567
12 baby teeth remaining, uh,
three in each quadrant,
690
00:35:44,634 --> 00:35:47,767
so these three teeth right
here, in all the quadrants.
691
00:35:47,834 --> 00:35:50,967
It's very simple to determine
Natalia's age, I mean,
692
00:35:51,033 --> 00:35:53,867
there is really no question
when you take an X-ray
like this.
693
00:35:53,934 --> 00:35:56,100
You've got baby teeth,
adult teeth,
694
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:58,967
and there is a range
that you have for someone
695
00:35:59,033 --> 00:36:01,867
who's got this level
of tooth development,
696
00:36:01,934 --> 00:36:05,166
and that's going to be,
going to extremes,
697
00:36:05,233 --> 00:36:07,333
six to nine years old.
698
00:36:08,467 --> 00:36:11,166
This is way too many
baby teeth to be an adult.
699
00:36:11,233 --> 00:36:15,467
It's indisputable,
you can't fake teeth
coming in like this.
700
00:36:15,467 --> 00:36:18,000
So when mom and Natalia left,
701
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,166
mom knew that Nataliawas around eight or nine,
702
00:36:22,233 --> 00:36:25,634
which is right in the rangeof what she said that she was.
703
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,667
Oh, her age was ch--
They legally changed her age?
704
00:36:33,734 --> 00:36:36,467
Oh, they tried to--
Oh, I wasn't aware of that.
705
00:36:36,467 --> 00:36:37,767
And what was it changed to?
706
00:36:42,166 --> 00:36:45,166
Oh, really? Wow.
707
00:36:46,367 --> 00:36:47,734
Yeah.
708
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,867
Yeah, that's a big jump.
709
00:36:52,867 --> 00:36:55,166
Nothing in the X-raythat we took that would show
710
00:36:55,166 --> 00:36:57,367
that she could beanywhere near
711
00:36:57,433 --> 00:37:03,967
15 years older.
Wow, that seems crazy.
712
00:37:03,967 --> 00:37:07,266
[Beth] So that meansthat even after signingthe dental records,
713
00:37:08,166 --> 00:37:09,967
Kristine still told people
714
00:37:10,033 --> 00:37:11,634
that Natalia was an adult.
715
00:37:13,166 --> 00:37:14,700
Why?
716
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,667
[Natalia] After the trialand everything, and allthe records I have,
717
00:37:21,734 --> 00:37:22,967
especially in themedical records,
718
00:37:23,033 --> 00:37:25,867
it all pointsto me being a kid.
719
00:37:25,867 --> 00:37:28,367
So I understandwhat the truth is.
720
00:37:28,433 --> 00:37:31,367
I've known the truth foras long as I can remember,
721
00:37:31,367 --> 00:37:32,867
that I was a kid.
722
00:37:32,934 --> 00:37:36,767
But there's a lot of people
who are thinking, like,
723
00:37:36,767 --> 00:37:39,166
"There is a way
to tell her age.
724
00:37:39,166 --> 00:37:41,834
There is a way to prove it."
725
00:37:44,667 --> 00:37:47,166
I just want peopleto just really
726
00:37:47,166 --> 00:37:48,934
see the truth about my age.
727
00:37:59,367 --> 00:38:00,967
TruDiagnostic,
728
00:38:00,967 --> 00:38:02,567
really, we're answering
a fundamental question,
729
00:38:02,567 --> 00:38:03,867
"How old are you?"
730
00:38:03,867 --> 00:38:05,867
In fact, the usesand the insurance
731
00:38:05,934 --> 00:38:08,166
will actually predict when
someone's gonna die, right?
732
00:38:08,166 --> 00:38:09,767
And so, if you think
about that world,
733
00:38:09,834 --> 00:38:11,567
this is super important
to be accurate.
734
00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:13,066
What we're trying to determine
735
00:38:13,133 --> 00:38:14,667
is someone'schronological age,
736
00:38:14,734 --> 00:38:16,367
not based off ofanyone's emotions,
737
00:38:16,433 --> 00:38:18,266
or what he said or she said.
738
00:38:18,266 --> 00:38:21,166
For Natalia,
we're trying to figure out,
"Well, how old is she?"
739
00:38:23,367 --> 00:38:25,734
[softly] Ooh.
740
00:38:26,767 --> 00:38:28,533
-[man] You ready?
-No, mm.
741
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,000
We're really just taking
a sample of blood,
742
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,867
which has our answers,
because it's in the DNA.
743
00:38:37,934 --> 00:38:40,567
Once we get this sample,we are very excited
744
00:38:40,634 --> 00:38:42,934
to really tie this
entire case together.
745
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,166
[Natalia] I'm prayingfor the best for this,
746
00:38:54,233 --> 00:38:56,767
but I'm really nervous.
747
00:38:56,767 --> 00:38:59,567
Like, I don't know
what they're gonna say.
748
00:38:59,567 --> 00:39:00,867
Thanks for coming to the lab.
749
00:39:00,934 --> 00:39:02,266
Wanna take a look
at the results?
750
00:39:02,266 --> 00:39:03,834
Yes.
751
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:07,100
All right.
752
00:39:08,166 --> 00:39:11,000
-[chuckles nervously]
-[Dr. Halland] All right,
so moment of truth, all right?
753
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,133
Yes.
754
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,433
Based off of all the studies
and everything being analyzed,
755
00:39:17,467 --> 00:39:19,433
you're more closer to 22.
756
00:39:20,667 --> 00:39:24,767
Which is pretty close
to what you think,
you're almost 20,
757
00:39:24,767 --> 00:39:26,033
that's within two years.
758
00:39:27,867 --> 00:39:29,867
Wow.
759
00:39:29,867 --> 00:39:36,066
This one little piece of paper
throws every single lie
760
00:39:36,133 --> 00:39:38,667
that the Barnetts have said
right into the trash
761
00:39:39,367 --> 00:39:40,533
with a match.
762
00:39:46,567 --> 00:39:48,367
[sniffles] This is so big,
763
00:39:48,367 --> 00:39:51,867
because literally,
this has been 13 years.
764
00:39:51,867 --> 00:39:55,934
Thirteen years of just two
people lying their butts off.
765
00:39:57,567 --> 00:40:00,767
[sniffles] They ruined
a kid's life.
766
00:40:00,834 --> 00:40:04,767
They painted that I'm some
big monster, when in reality,
they were the ones.
767
00:40:04,767 --> 00:40:06,967
[Bishop Antwon]
You're exactly right.
768
00:40:08,266 --> 00:40:11,133
[Natalia] It just proves that
I was not lying about my age.
769
00:40:12,367 --> 00:40:15,967
They ignored everything...
[sniffles] ...that was
pointing to the truth,
770
00:40:16,033 --> 00:40:18,467
just so they could
create this stupid lie.
771
00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:27,934
[crying]
772
00:40:31,066 --> 00:40:34,467
So if all of thatis true about her age,
773
00:40:34,467 --> 00:40:38,367
that means Natalia came
into the country in 2008
774
00:40:38,367 --> 00:40:39,967
when she was four,almost five.
775
00:40:39,967 --> 00:40:44,166
Adopted by the Barnettsin 2010 when she was seven.
776
00:40:44,166 --> 00:40:47,667
Natalia was eight when the
age-change petition was filed,
777
00:40:47,734 --> 00:40:51,567
and was placed inthe apartment in Westfield.
778
00:40:51,634 --> 00:40:53,567
In July of 2013,
779
00:40:53,634 --> 00:40:56,367
when she was placedin the Lafayette apartment,
780
00:40:56,367 --> 00:40:57,767
she would have been nine,
781
00:40:57,767 --> 00:41:00,467
a few months shy
of turning ten.
782
00:41:00,467 --> 00:41:03,567
What that means is thatNatalia was a child
783
00:41:03,634 --> 00:41:05,467
living on her own.
784
00:41:05,467 --> 00:41:07,333
[sniffling and crying]
785
00:41:08,767 --> 00:41:12,033
I just wanna know,
why create this story?
786
00:41:13,567 --> 00:41:14,567
[sniffles]
787
00:41:14,634 --> 00:41:17,533
They knew, and they
still did what they did.
788
00:41:22,367 --> 00:41:23,634
[sniffles]
789
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:31,166
[Bishop Antwon]
Why do this?
790
00:41:31,166 --> 00:41:33,166
Why go through
all of this, for what?
791
00:41:33,166 --> 00:41:36,834
The question is, why?
792
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,634
That's the
million-dollar question.
793
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,567
I always knewI wasn't an adult,
794
00:41:44,567 --> 00:41:46,967
but I never knewwhy the Barnetts
795
00:41:47,033 --> 00:41:48,433
adopted me.
796
00:41:49,367 --> 00:41:53,367
Never oncedid I see any love.
797
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:57,567
I feel like there'ssomething bigger with this.
798
00:41:57,567 --> 00:41:59,266
I don't know what it is.
799
00:41:59,266 --> 00:42:01,066
How did they shut
these doctors up?
800
00:42:01,133 --> 00:42:03,166
How did they hide
all this evidence?
801
00:42:03,867 --> 00:42:06,233
They are hidingsomething big.
802
00:42:07,867 --> 00:42:10,433
And I wanna know the answers
to these questions.
803
00:42:11,467 --> 00:42:14,200
And I want people to pay
for what they have done.
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