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Over the past century of Western cinema,
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we've seen a steady increase in
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representation of
LGBTQ characters.
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But there's long been a taboo against
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playing these roles, for
fear of being type cast.
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In the 1950s to the 1970s,
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it could be a career killer to play gay,
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and few actors or studios
were willing to take the risk.
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Most examples we have were either
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studio films where the queer
characters were villainized,
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or independent ventures by
boundary-pushing filmmakers.
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In the 1980s, films with gay storylines
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were often indistinguishable
from activism,
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and often reflected characters coming
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to terms with new HIV
transmission and AIDS.
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In the 1990s and 2000s,
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a curious change began to take place.
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A-list Hollywood actors began to
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selectively play gay characters.
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Didn't you have an obligation
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to tell your employer you had this
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dreaded, deadly, infectious disease?
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That's not the point.
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These were most
often straight identified men,
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who were allotted with praise
for tackling brave roles.
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That word brave has always
struck a chord with me,
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and most often, a dissonant one.
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No, not since
Jeffrey and I split up,
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there's nobody I really wanna take, so...
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It was great meeting you.
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Same here.
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Is that guy gay?
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Yeah, what about it?
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Nothing, I'm just not used to
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seeing somebody so upfront about it.
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Why, for a straight man,
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who is an actor, who makes
believe for a living,
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is it brave to take on a gay role?
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What is it about exploring
the idea of love,
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intimacy, and sexual excitement,
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causes a wall of fear to be thrown up?
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A wall so high that only the most
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courageous would attempt to climb.
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In 2005, I was cast in a gay,
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sudsy drama, Dante's Cove.
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The show received its highest praise
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when given the take
line, a guilty pleasure.
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It belonged in that, it's
so bad it's good world
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of best watched, drunk television.
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So there I was, the only out gay actor,
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on the flagship show of the first
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gay television network in the USA.
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I repeat, the only out
gay actor on the show,
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at least for the first season.
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They wouldn't know about us.
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Yes they would.
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And I don't wanna hide it, why should I?
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Suddenly, the tides were shifting.
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Everyone wanted a gay
role on their resume.
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It was now a badge of honor for
straight actors to play gay.
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And many wanted to join the ranks
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of Jake Gyllenhaal,
Heath Ledger, Brad Pitt,
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Eric McCormack, Leonardo
DiCaprio, and Tom Hanks.
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The flood gates were
opened, and it was exciting,
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but still confounding to chat with
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straight actors that auditioned,
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who would say things like,
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oh yeah, I played a serial
killer, so why not gay?
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Today, it seems we
finally reached the point
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where it's no longer breaking news
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when an actor tackles a queer role,
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regardless of their personal stated,
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or still often unstated sexuality.
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Intrigue has refocused online
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into the world of pornography.
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Curiously, there is a disproportionate
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percentage of men working in
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gay porn who identify as straight.
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Why would a straight man do gay porn?
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What motivates him to try this,
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or make a career out of it?
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Why is there such keen interest
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and debate into the sexuality and
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personal lives of these men?
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And what does it say about us, the viewer,
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that so much of gay porn is dominated
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by images of straight men?
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Are there shades of internalized
homophobia emerging?
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Why might we be turned off if the man
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on screen looks, sounds, or behaves
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in a way that is identifiably queer?
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To try and answer some of these questions,
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we interviewed men from some of
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the most popular and prolific studios,
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which fetishize straight men.
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I spoke with gay performers about
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their experiences, working
with straight guys.
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And we hit the streets to test the
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curiosity and opinions of the public.
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Welcome to the curious, surprising,
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and always outspoken world of
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straight men who go gay for pay.
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A gay for pay porn actor is
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somebody who identifies as heterosexual,
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but in exchange for cash,
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is willing to engage in sexual
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intercourse with men on film.
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I personally have enjoyed my experiences
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in porn, on film, with straight men.
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Off camera, I've also had experiences with
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married guys, with "straight" guys, right?
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I think the cash is used as
a smokescreen a lot of times,
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as an excuse as to why they're doing it.
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But I'm a firm believer
in the Kinsey Scale.
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There's heterosexual, homosexual,
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and everything, all the gray in between.
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To say these guys are straight,
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and they're doing gay sex on
film for cash is ridiculous.
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There's no amount of money that you
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could give a truly,
100% heterosexual male,
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to have sex with another man,
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certainly on camera where
anyone would be able to find it.
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These guys are obviously interested in
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experimenting and having
that experience with men.
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The cash is a nice bonus.
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And they're probably
exhibitionists at heart.
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So there's a lot of
things going on in there.
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So when I say heterosexual,
and I put the air quotes,
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that just mean they're
somewhere in that scale.
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Labels are tough.
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I think, and I'm just gonna generalize,
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I think gay men like to see
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straight men in porn.
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There's a huge fantasy there.
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Here's a guy that identifies as straight,
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which means he's completely off limits,
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or is not "interested" in me,
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and here he is completely naked
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and having sex with another man,
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so now there's a chance.
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So it's the taboo,
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it's the unattainable
becoming slightly attainable,
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it's seeing what you
wouldn't normally see.
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And here it is, laid out for you.
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I think the gay community loves
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watching straight men in gay porn.
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I enjoy working with straight guys
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because it does give me a chance
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to experience guys that I
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wouldn't normally meet at a club.
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I find in my experience, having
sex with gay men on camera,
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and having sex with
straight men on camera,
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is pretty much the same,
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in the sense that we're being directed.
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Luckily, or in my experience,
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I've worked with professionals.
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So, whether or not you're gay or straight,
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we're all on set and there's a director,
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and you're eating his ass.
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We're all there to do a job.
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I've never personally experience
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somebody who said,
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don't touch me there, or don't kiss me.
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That would be a big turn off for me.
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If there was somebody who didn't want to
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kiss on a set because they were straight,
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which I'm sure does happen,
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I wouldn't work with them.
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Of course, some guys were, I'm just a top.
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Well, that's fine, that's what porn is.
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Somebody's gotta top,
somebody's gotta bottom.
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I did a lot of bottoming just because
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I could and I was reliable at it.
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In the gay community, for some reason,
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still today, bottoming is
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seen as the female role,
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and topping is the more masculine role.
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And I think that's so sad because
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it has nothing to do with that.
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And in fact, I think the person who is
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the bottom is the one who's in control.
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This is not happening
without me saying yes.
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I think that straight guys are not
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necessarily more open minded to the idea,
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but they don't put any labels on it.
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It's just they're getting .
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It's not the womanly role,
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they're not seeing it that way.
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When I watch movies,
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TV, music,
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all of it is showing
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more and more leniency,
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where men are concerned with each other.
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They're allowing themselves, these bro.
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Even the term bromance...
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We're going down a path
where we're opening the door,
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where it's okay, you
can have an experience,
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it doesn't mean you're a certain way.
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It's just something that you want to try.
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I feel like gay for pay is gonna be
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around for a long time because
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even as men become more open sexually,
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and they're willing to
experiment with each other,
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and it becomes more socially acceptable,
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at the end of the day,
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I feel it's almost like a fetish.
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So there's leather, you're into bondage,
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you're into straight guys.
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It just falls into one
of those categories.
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I don't see it going away any time soon
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because leather is not going anywhere.
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This is an industry,
God bless it, I love it.
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It's always at the forefront.
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It was on the internet
before anything else was.
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It was the biggest thing
on the internet before
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anything else probably still is.
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Mobile devices, it's always at
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the forefront of whatever it is.
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If I could predict what
the next 10 years of porn,
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I would be a multi-millionaire for sure
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because it will go wherever it goes,
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but it'll be the first one there,
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people will be watching it,
however they're watching it,
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it'll always be there because sex sells.
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If a man has sex with another man,
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can he still say he's straight, and why?
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Yes.
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- No.
- No.
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Can he still say he's straight?
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Yes.
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I don't think so, actually.
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Well, he's obviously
having it with another man,
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not with a straight woman.
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Yeah.
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- Could be a mental thing.
- It depends how he feels.
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I think I may have
done something like that,
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and I don't think it makes me gay.
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I think a person's identity,
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as far as you classify yourself as,
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is really your own
business and nobody else's.
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Is this going on
TV because I don't
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want my mom to see this.
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I think your sexuality is
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entirely your own,
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and however you judge that as a person,
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however you name yourself
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is the best thing.
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You have to let them believe
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whatever they want to believe
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for them to actually do
a scene with you, right?
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If they say they're straight
to you, they're straight.
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There's no question about it.
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You can't question
somebody else's sexuality,
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it's theirs to decide, right?
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If you've had sex with a man,
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and it's not something that
you do on a regular basis,
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it's something you've tried,
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am I to judge anyone
for saying they're still
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straight even though
they've tried their options?
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Yeah, it could be an experiment,
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it could be the beginning.
264
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It's a very individual choice, I think.
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Gay for pay is you go on set,
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and you make your mind think you're gay,
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and you get paid for it.
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You come on here and you have gay sex,
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and you go home with a paycheck.
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They found me on
Myspace, back in the day.
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They offered me a good bit of money.
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Fresh out of high school,
that good bit of money,
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is something a little different
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when you're working a minimum wage job.
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I decided to come out here and do it.
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The solo was nerve racking at first.
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Especially coming into the studio,
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it was kind of sketchy.
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I wasn't sure how it was gonna turn out,
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but they made it real comfortable,
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so I was like okay, whatever.
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I guess I was expecting more of a slower
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process into doing the whole thing,
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and then it was just
kind of come back here,
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here's the studio, get naked.
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I said alright, that was
nerve racking because I've
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never been naked in front
of anybody other than
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me and a girlfriend or
something like that.
289
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When you have about three or four people
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with cameras and you're
naked in front of this,
291
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it's pretty nerve racking.
292
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Eventually, the cameras just disappear,
293
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pretty much just like jerking off at home.
294
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That's what it turned out to be.
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I wasn't gonna do a sex scene
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until that money ran out.
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As soon as they offered me more money
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to come back and do a sex scene,
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I was like no, no, absolutely not.
300
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But thought about it a little
bit and experimented at home.
301
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And it was kind of like,
well, that ain't too bad.
302
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I can do that and come back with a
303
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pocket full of money, that'd be great.
304
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So, I called them back and said
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I'd like to do a sex scene.
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They let me top, the
first sex scene I did,
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just to kind of ease me into it,
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which they're not doing that much anymore.
309
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But once I got used to the feeling,
310
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and it actually feels good.
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I was like, well, get paid to do something
312
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that feels good, that's awesome.
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When you come out here,
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it's more work than it is pleasure but,
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the viewer always sees pleasure because
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that's what you've got to portray.
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So you've got to, from the get go,
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have the right attitude, your mind right.
319
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But it's definitely a lot of work.
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When I was first getting into it,
321
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there was a lot of confusion
going on in my head.
322
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I thought I might have
been gay for enjoying it.
323
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I wasn't sure what was going on,
324
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but I realized that the
feeling is everybody,
325
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all men enjoyed prostate stimulation.
326
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I went from thinking I
was gay to being bisexual.
327
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And really, it's just I'm straight.
328
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I like the prostrate
stimulation part of it,
329
00:14:53,275 --> 00:14:55,812
and that's pretty much all there is to it.
330
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I don't find men attractive.
331
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I don't get any kind of relationships or
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desires to be in a
relationship with a man.
333
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I like women for that aspect.
334
00:15:04,517 --> 00:15:07,467
But coming out here to have gay sex,
335
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is not a bad thing to get paid for.
336
00:15:09,862 --> 00:15:12,226
I guess I would classify myself as
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being straight but enjoying gay sex.
338
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It's become a second nature to me,
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to come out here and flip my mind to this
340
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and flip it off when I go home.
341
00:15:29,827 --> 00:15:31,605
There's a lot of mind games,
342
00:15:31,689 --> 00:15:34,329
like when I'm going in to suck a dick.
343
00:15:34,413 --> 00:15:37,398
It's kind of one of those
things where I tell myself,
344
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I love dick, I love dick, I love dick.
345
00:15:39,655 --> 00:15:41,329
You gotta just talk yourself into it.
346
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And once you tell yourself enough,
347
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you start believing in yourself.
348
00:15:44,379 --> 00:15:46,812
It actually is arousing once you've
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trained yourself to think in that way.
350
00:15:52,068 --> 00:15:53,536
So it's official.
351
00:15:53,620 --> 00:15:55,157
Curtis, you're much better at
sucking dick than horseshoes.
352
00:15:55,241 --> 00:15:57,275
Yeah, maybe I should stick with that.
353
00:15:58,379 --> 00:16:01,709
What I watch between scenes is DP,
354
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if you're familiar with
that, double penetration.
355
00:16:04,172 --> 00:16:05,329
That's my favorite.
356
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If I'm bottoming, I try to picture myself
357
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as being the girl in the scene.
358
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She's being dominated, she's helpless,
359
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doesn't have any control
over what's going on.
360
00:16:16,965 --> 00:16:19,881
That helps me get in that mindset.
361
00:16:19,965 --> 00:16:22,916
For me, it's the feeling alone
362
00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,984
that helps me maintain the erection.
363
00:16:25,068 --> 00:16:27,088
Being aroused, it makes things easier.
364
00:16:27,172 --> 00:16:30,847
It also helps with your natural reactions,
365
00:16:30,931 --> 00:16:34,295
your facial expressions,
your moans, all that stuff.
366
00:16:34,379 --> 00:16:37,571
I prefer to now, to top,
367
00:16:37,655 --> 00:16:40,916
just because I've bottom for so much.
368
00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,517
And it's just, going home with a sore ass.
369
00:16:46,793 --> 00:16:48,157
It gets old.
370
00:16:48,241 --> 00:16:49,984
Being able to come out here and just top
371
00:16:50,068 --> 00:16:53,122
and then go home and be 100% feeling good
372
00:16:53,206 --> 00:16:55,157
and have a pocket full of money is,
373
00:16:55,241 --> 00:16:56,482
makes it a lot easier.
374
00:16:59,517 --> 00:17:02,329
I built my business to be
able to bring in money,
375
00:17:02,413 --> 00:17:04,226
so that I don't have to
come out here anymore.
376
00:17:04,310 --> 00:17:06,398
I got into doing home improvements,
377
00:17:06,482 --> 00:17:08,364
came out here, did a bunch of shoots,
378
00:17:08,448 --> 00:17:11,502
bought a truck and
trailer, a bunch of tools.
379
00:17:11,586 --> 00:17:14,191
It's more enjoyable
for me to get out there
380
00:17:14,275 --> 00:17:16,191
and sweat and do manual labor than
381
00:17:16,275 --> 00:17:19,019
it is to come out here and do this.
382
00:17:19,103 --> 00:17:20,467
I'm at the point where I'm getting
383
00:17:20,551 --> 00:17:22,605
close to being able to just run my
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business and retire
from the porn industry.
385
00:17:27,310 --> 00:17:29,329
After my porn career is over,
386
00:17:29,413 --> 00:17:32,398
I would probably keep having sex with men,
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if my wife allowed it.
388
00:17:37,862 --> 00:17:39,881
Me and Linda, we met...
389
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I moved up to North Carolina to
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take care of my grandmother.
391
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And she had just moved up
392
00:17:45,793 --> 00:17:48,157
there for the same reason,
393
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five days earlier than me.
394
00:17:50,586 --> 00:17:54,433
And while I was up there,
I had nobody at all.
395
00:17:54,517 --> 00:17:56,536
Me and her fell in love and got
396
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married in
Gatlinburg, Tennessee.
397
00:17:58,724 --> 00:18:01,364
After being together
for about eight months,
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she moved back to
Florida with me.
399
00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,433
She's been helping me,
she runs the business,
400
00:18:06,517 --> 00:18:10,329
does all the paperwork,
and she loves to paint.
401
00:18:10,413 --> 00:18:12,709
So I told her, you keep painting,
402
00:18:12,793 --> 00:18:14,467
I'll keep doing my part and
403
00:18:14,551 --> 00:18:15,709
we'll just enjoy this business.
404
00:18:15,793 --> 00:18:17,295
Get up in the morning together,
405
00:18:17,379 --> 00:18:19,571
drive in my truck, go
to each job together,
406
00:18:19,655 --> 00:18:23,000
and go to sleep together,
just joined at the hip.
407
00:18:26,931 --> 00:18:27,482
Hey baby.
408
00:18:28,379 --> 00:18:29,743
Hey baby.
409
00:18:29,827 --> 00:18:30,847
That's a nice shirt.
410
00:18:30,931 --> 00:18:31,640
I miss you.
411
00:18:31,724 --> 00:18:32,655
I miss you too.
412
00:18:33,827 --> 00:18:35,019
I'm ready for you to come home.
413
00:18:35,103 --> 00:18:36,778
I'm coming home tomorrow.
414
00:18:36,862 --> 00:18:39,019
It sucks being away for so long.
415
00:18:39,103 --> 00:18:40,551
I got some money though.
416
00:18:41,620 --> 00:18:42,275
Yeah?
417
00:18:43,655 --> 00:18:44,984
How'd the shoot go?
418
00:18:45,068 --> 00:18:48,088
It went good, it went pretty smooth.
419
00:18:48,172 --> 00:18:49,536
Tired of doing it.
420
00:18:49,620 --> 00:18:50,984
Don't go out there anymore then.
421
00:18:51,068 --> 00:18:53,157
Does it bug you that
I'm still doing this?
422
00:18:53,241 --> 00:18:55,088
No, not at all.
423
00:18:55,172 --> 00:18:57,053
I don't like to see you unhappy
424
00:18:57,137 --> 00:18:58,448
when you go out there and do it.
425
00:18:59,655 --> 00:19:01,329
If you don't wanna do it, don't do it.
426
00:19:01,413 --> 00:19:02,916
Then why don't you do it?
427
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,295
Give me a break.
428
00:19:04,379 --> 00:19:05,502
Where does it says that,
429
00:19:05,586 --> 00:19:08,329
if I could just do lesbian porn, I would.
430
00:19:08,413 --> 00:19:10,295
Yeah, gotta know people.
431
00:19:10,379 --> 00:19:11,916
Find somebody that knows people,
432
00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,758
and then I'll do lesbian
porn and give you a break.
433
00:19:16,172 --> 00:19:17,605
To be completely honest,
434
00:19:17,689 --> 00:19:21,088
if we weren't trying to buy
a house and things like that,
435
00:19:21,172 --> 00:19:23,260
I don't think you would do it.
436
00:19:23,344 --> 00:19:26,847
I totally support him in
whatever he wants to do,
437
00:19:26,931 --> 00:19:30,709
but I know how hard it is.
438
00:19:30,793 --> 00:19:32,931
He comes home exhausted.
439
00:19:34,068 --> 00:19:35,984
Just mentally and physically drained,
440
00:19:36,068 --> 00:19:37,364
and that aspect of it,
441
00:19:37,448 --> 00:19:39,467
I don't like to see my husband that way.
442
00:19:39,551 --> 00:19:42,743
If he decided that he did not
443
00:19:42,827 --> 00:19:44,640
want to continue doing it,
444
00:19:44,724 --> 00:19:47,743
that I would help him and I would do
445
00:19:47,827 --> 00:19:50,398
whatever it takes to ensure that
446
00:19:50,482 --> 00:19:51,743
he doesn't have to continue doing
447
00:19:51,827 --> 00:19:53,743
this if he doesn't want to.
448
00:19:53,827 --> 00:19:56,674
I signed up for a camp site while
449
00:19:56,758 --> 00:19:59,295
you were gone over the weekend.
450
00:19:59,379 --> 00:20:01,536
Sweet, make any money?
451
00:20:01,620 --> 00:20:03,536
No, not yet, I just signed up.
452
00:20:03,620 --> 00:20:05,053
I haven't done anything on it yet,
453
00:20:05,137 --> 00:20:06,674
I haven't had the time.
454
00:20:06,758 --> 00:20:09,916
I read online that people think
455
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,916
that I'm only married to my husband
456
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,502
because of the money that he makes.
457
00:20:15,586 --> 00:20:17,916
That's really, really hurtful.
458
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,950
I met and fell in love with him
459
00:20:20,034 --> 00:20:23,640
before I even knew what he did.
460
00:20:23,724 --> 00:20:25,916
If you don't know someone,
461
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,053
and you don't know what
they're going through,
462
00:20:29,137 --> 00:20:31,812
or how they feel about anything,
463
00:20:31,896 --> 00:20:33,137
just keep your mouth shut.
464
00:20:36,275 --> 00:20:38,916
They asked me on the shoot earlier
465
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,260
if I would still have sex with men
466
00:20:41,344 --> 00:20:43,709
after I did the porn
shoot and I told them,
467
00:20:43,793 --> 00:20:46,053
I was like, well, it feels good,
468
00:20:46,137 --> 00:20:49,329
but that'd be something my wife would have
469
00:20:49,413 --> 00:20:53,122
to agree to if I were to want to someday.
470
00:20:53,206 --> 00:20:54,674
What do you think?
471
00:20:54,758 --> 00:20:57,053
Would you let me sleep with
another girl if I wanted to?
472
00:20:57,137 --> 00:21:00,191
Well, obviously, as long as I can watch.
473
00:21:00,275 --> 00:21:02,103
Well, alright, as long as I can watch.
474
00:21:04,827 --> 00:21:06,827
Alright baby, I'm gonna get back at it.
475
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,122
Alright baby, I'm gonna go back to work.
476
00:21:09,206 --> 00:21:10,571
Alright, love you.
477
00:21:10,655 --> 00:21:11,413
I love you too.
478
00:21:15,862 --> 00:21:17,260
When my mom found out,
479
00:21:17,344 --> 00:21:19,467
she was asking me, now,
are you gay and all this.
480
00:21:19,551 --> 00:21:23,157
And I said no, it's money, I'm not gay.
481
00:21:23,241 --> 00:21:26,260
I enjoy it, but I don't
find men attractive.
482
00:21:26,344 --> 00:21:29,053
I didn't talk to my mom
for a real long time.
483
00:21:29,137 --> 00:21:33,019
I think it was mostly because
I was embarrassed about it.
484
00:21:33,103 --> 00:21:35,019
Me and my mom hadn't been
485
00:21:35,103 --> 00:21:37,950
real close at all growing up.
486
00:21:38,034 --> 00:21:39,640
It was mainly me and my dad,
487
00:21:39,724 --> 00:21:41,226
so it didn't really bother me that
488
00:21:41,310 --> 00:21:43,122
I didn't talk to my mom much.
489
00:21:43,206 --> 00:21:45,950
But my dad recently found out.
490
00:21:46,034 --> 00:21:48,364
My dad's a real redneck,
491
00:21:48,448 --> 00:21:50,674
close-minded type of person,
492
00:21:50,758 --> 00:21:53,034
so he pretty much disowned me.
493
00:21:55,482 --> 00:21:57,053
He's a bad alcoholic,
494
00:21:57,137 --> 00:21:59,571
a case of beer a day, that's my dad.
495
00:21:59,655 --> 00:22:01,088
And having to deal with him because
496
00:22:01,172 --> 00:22:03,778
when he gets drunk, he's very mean.
497
00:22:03,862 --> 00:22:07,398
The first thing that comes
up now when he gets drunk is,
498
00:22:07,482 --> 00:22:10,640
faggot, just a very mean person.
499
00:22:10,724 --> 00:22:14,482
So it wasn't hard for me to say peace.
500
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:18,329
What is that quote?
501
00:22:18,413 --> 00:22:21,122
Be who you are, say what you feel
502
00:22:21,206 --> 00:22:24,536
because those who mind don't matter.
503
00:22:24,620 --> 00:22:26,329
And those who matter don't mind,
504
00:22:26,413 --> 00:22:27,655
and that's how I feel.
505
00:22:29,448 --> 00:22:31,984
I got my wife and we're close.
506
00:22:32,068 --> 00:22:33,000
That's all I need.
507
00:22:40,068 --> 00:22:41,433
I was never really curious about
508
00:22:41,517 --> 00:22:43,103
guys while I was growing up.
509
00:22:44,482 --> 00:22:47,068
It only really started
until after I was about 20.
510
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:49,571
There was a few times where I was
511
00:22:49,655 --> 00:22:51,916
growing up where I was curious about guys.
512
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,586
Messed around a few times,
513
00:22:54,862 --> 00:22:56,433
after a party or something.
514
00:22:56,517 --> 00:22:59,122
Me and my buddy would hang
out, but it's been a while.
515
00:22:59,206 --> 00:23:01,260
I wasn't really too curious about guys,
516
00:23:01,344 --> 00:23:03,916
but I've always been really
comfortable with my sexuality.
517
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,364
Yeah, I would say I was curious
518
00:23:05,448 --> 00:23:07,019
about guys while growing up,
519
00:23:07,103 --> 00:23:09,226
before I even understood sex roles,
520
00:23:09,310 --> 00:23:11,122
with male, female, things like that.
521
00:23:11,206 --> 00:23:12,640
I never had any experience
522
00:23:12,724 --> 00:23:13,984
with guys while
I was growing up,
523
00:23:14,068 --> 00:23:16,984
so I can't say that
I had experiences.
524
00:23:17,068 --> 00:23:18,984
But I'm sure there's times where
525
00:23:19,068 --> 00:23:20,364
I probably thought about things
526
00:23:20,448 --> 00:23:22,950
and how it would feel to have sex with
527
00:23:23,034 --> 00:23:26,000
the same sex, having anal sex.
528
00:23:28,206 --> 00:23:30,329
I was never curious about men, ever.
529
00:23:30,413 --> 00:23:33,778
I had a curious nature about myself,
530
00:23:33,862 --> 00:23:35,847
and about my own body.
531
00:23:35,931 --> 00:23:39,019
But I never did have any thoughts about
532
00:23:39,103 --> 00:23:41,172
other boys or men growing up.
533
00:23:44,896 --> 00:23:47,088
I never experienced homophobia.
534
00:23:47,172 --> 00:23:48,536
Just because I was straight,
535
00:23:48,620 --> 00:23:50,088
I don't think that implies that
536
00:23:50,172 --> 00:23:51,950
you have to be homophobic ever.
537
00:23:52,034 --> 00:23:54,965
But now that I've had sex with men,
538
00:23:57,310 --> 00:24:00,206
I feel even more comfortable
around gay people.
539
00:24:01,344 --> 00:24:03,433
I grew up in a really conservative, small,
540
00:24:03,517 --> 00:24:06,398
Southern town and actually
was homophobic as a kid.
541
00:24:06,482 --> 00:24:10,709
We made terrible, homophobic
jokes towards each other.
542
00:24:10,793 --> 00:24:13,605
By the time I got around
to doing porn as an adult,
543
00:24:13,689 --> 00:24:15,640
I had a different outlook on it.
544
00:24:15,724 --> 00:24:19,053
And especially having done gay porn,
545
00:24:19,137 --> 00:24:22,674
definitely washed away all
those homophobic tendencies.
546
00:24:22,758 --> 00:24:25,053
I've never had an issue with homophobia.
547
00:24:25,137 --> 00:24:28,260
That's kind of a strong term to use.
548
00:24:28,344 --> 00:24:31,502
Being around it though,
being around the action
549
00:24:31,586 --> 00:24:34,329
of man on man sex is definitely made me
550
00:24:34,413 --> 00:24:37,329
more comfortable with, not just gay men,
551
00:24:37,413 --> 00:24:38,551
but just everything.
552
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:45,502
There's so much
commentary online and debate
553
00:24:45,586 --> 00:24:47,916
over who's gay and who's straight because
554
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,640
it really fuels fantasies when
555
00:24:50,724 --> 00:24:54,053
people can see someone they like,
556
00:24:54,137 --> 00:24:57,295
and if they're actually gay,
that kinda gives them a chance.
557
00:24:57,379 --> 00:24:59,398
There's a lot of commentary online
558
00:24:59,482 --> 00:25:01,088
about who's gay and straight because
559
00:25:01,172 --> 00:25:03,586
people have to put a label on something.
560
00:25:04,827 --> 00:25:07,206
In all honesty, who gives a shit?
561
00:25:08,586 --> 00:25:10,364
The reason I think
there's so much commentary
562
00:25:10,448 --> 00:25:12,088
and debate online about who's gay
563
00:25:12,172 --> 00:25:13,482
or straight is because
564
00:25:15,517 --> 00:25:17,329
we're talking about
people's sexual identity.
565
00:25:17,413 --> 00:25:19,536
People don't want you to
566
00:25:19,620 --> 00:25:22,778
identify with something
that they identify with,
567
00:25:22,862 --> 00:25:25,984
and subvert that, and
I think that's fair.
568
00:25:26,068 --> 00:25:29,709
People probably get
upset over the fact that
569
00:25:29,793 --> 00:25:32,709
people are acting as they're
570
00:25:32,793 --> 00:25:34,778
gay when they're really not,
571
00:25:34,862 --> 00:25:37,950
or faking it just for
money and doing porn.
572
00:25:38,034 --> 00:25:41,413
But at the same time,
everybody needs a job.
573
00:25:42,862 --> 00:25:45,364
I think it's because for
574
00:25:45,448 --> 00:25:47,260
one part of people,
575
00:25:47,344 --> 00:25:49,640
I think would like to have the fantasy
576
00:25:49,724 --> 00:25:51,896
of having that person be gay
577
00:25:53,551 --> 00:25:55,413
because they're gay and they would like
578
00:25:56,413 --> 00:25:58,364
that thought to be true.
579
00:25:58,448 --> 00:26:02,329
Other than that, I think
that the main reason would be
580
00:26:02,413 --> 00:26:04,827
because they don't understand
how gay porn works.
581
00:26:13,793 --> 00:26:14,793
PG photos boys.
582
00:26:28,827 --> 00:26:31,502
I love Sean Cody, I love
the way we treat our models.
583
00:26:31,586 --> 00:26:32,709
I love the way we treat our staff.
584
00:26:32,793 --> 00:26:34,536
I love the brand name we've created.
585
00:26:34,620 --> 00:26:36,088
Here we, you get to know the model.
586
00:26:36,172 --> 00:26:37,571
You get to have some behind the scene.
587
00:26:37,655 --> 00:26:39,088
You get to watch them grow over time.
588
00:26:39,172 --> 00:26:40,640
You feel like you're becoming
friends with the models.
589
00:26:40,724 --> 00:26:41,916
You feel like you know them personally.
590
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,329
So we wanna make sure that people
591
00:26:43,413 --> 00:26:44,950
want to relate to our models as well.
592
00:26:45,034 --> 00:26:46,847
We realize that pretty early on that
593
00:26:46,931 --> 00:26:49,019
a happy model is a good thing for us.
594
00:26:49,103 --> 00:26:50,571
We have them get picked up at the airport,
595
00:26:50,655 --> 00:26:51,916
we have them stay at a nice hotel,
596
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,778
we feed them, obviously we feed them.
597
00:26:53,862 --> 00:26:55,191
But we give them whatever they want.
598
00:26:55,275 --> 00:26:56,571
Want us to go to the beach,
we'll go have a beach.
599
00:26:56,655 --> 00:26:58,019
We like to keep them happy because
600
00:26:58,103 --> 00:26:59,984
happy models make happy films.
601
00:27:00,068 --> 00:27:01,000
Are you good, do you need anything?
602
00:27:02,931 --> 00:27:04,295
You can get a five hour energy, yeah.
603
00:27:04,379 --> 00:27:05,329
We have some really good talents,
604
00:27:05,413 --> 00:27:06,364
and we don't want them trying
605
00:27:06,448 --> 00:27:07,467
to crawl over to other sites.
606
00:27:07,551 --> 00:27:08,433
When I first got hired,
607
00:27:08,517 --> 00:27:09,640
my boss asked me what would
608
00:27:09,724 --> 00:27:11,364
make me a good camera person,
609
00:27:11,448 --> 00:27:13,398
and I told them I was a bartender,
610
00:27:13,482 --> 00:27:15,088
so I know how to deal with people
611
00:27:15,172 --> 00:27:17,191
that aren't always on their best behavior.
612
00:27:17,275 --> 00:27:18,467
And I was also a camp counselor,
613
00:27:18,551 --> 00:27:20,137
so I know how to deal with immaturity.
614
00:27:21,344 --> 00:27:23,364
Alright, throw your clothes on, Brandon.
615
00:27:23,448 --> 00:27:24,916
You look ridiculous when you do that.
616
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,847
Maybe do both, yeah, do both hands.
617
00:27:26,931 --> 00:27:27,896
Look at me.
618
00:27:30,586 --> 00:27:31,984
I'm publishing that one.
619
00:27:32,068 --> 00:27:33,122
You're welcome.
620
00:27:33,206 --> 00:27:34,260
When you're working with models,
621
00:27:34,344 --> 00:27:35,881
they're all over the map.
622
00:27:35,965 --> 00:27:36,916
They could be having a great day,
623
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,053
they could be frustrated,
624
00:27:38,137 --> 00:27:40,053
they could be very
young and inexperienced.
625
00:27:40,137 --> 00:27:41,640
It's basically becoming friends with
626
00:27:41,724 --> 00:27:43,122
them and making them trust you,
627
00:27:43,206 --> 00:27:45,640
and then working with them
so they understand what
628
00:27:45,724 --> 00:27:47,433
you need from them and
what they need from you.
629
00:27:47,517 --> 00:27:48,605
It's a lot of give and pull.
630
00:27:48,689 --> 00:27:49,433
Hey.
631
00:27:49,517 --> 00:27:50,896
No, no, hey, hey.
632
00:27:51,965 --> 00:27:53,103
Do you wanna say hi to him?
633
00:27:54,586 --> 00:27:55,586
I'm just so anxious.
634
00:27:56,724 --> 00:27:58,088
Some days are easier than others.
635
00:27:58,172 --> 00:27:59,364
There's some days where we
leave set and we're exhausted.
636
00:27:59,448 --> 00:28:00,950
I think you just have to relate,
637
00:28:01,034 --> 00:28:02,950
relate to models and
make them wanna be here,
638
00:28:03,034 --> 00:28:04,916
because no one wants to
feel uncomfortable on set.
639
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,433
So we poke and we make fun of each other.
640
00:28:06,517 --> 00:28:08,191
I text the models, make
sure they're happy,
641
00:28:08,275 --> 00:28:09,778
make sure their normal life is going well.
642
00:28:09,862 --> 00:28:12,088
So that when they come here
I know I can relate to them.
643
00:28:12,172 --> 00:28:13,467
You're like, oh hey, how's your new car?
644
00:28:13,551 --> 00:28:15,295
How's your new motorcycle,
how's your wife?
645
00:28:15,379 --> 00:28:16,689
How's your job, how's your kids?
646
00:28:20,034 --> 00:28:21,467
When I'm filming on set,
647
00:28:21,551 --> 00:28:23,640
I have a lot of models will
come up to me and be like,
648
00:28:23,724 --> 00:28:25,122
hey, I thought I was
straight and all of a sudden,
649
00:28:25,206 --> 00:28:28,053
they'll be like, maybe I
like this, maybe I don't.
650
00:28:28,137 --> 00:28:30,295
Curtis, specifically,
has no problem with it.
651
00:28:30,379 --> 00:28:32,295
In fact, he talks about
how great it would be
652
00:28:32,379 --> 00:28:34,916
if his wife would have sex
with him with a strap on.
653
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,467
He knows his body, he
knows what feels good,
654
00:28:36,551 --> 00:28:38,260
and he's pretty open about it.
655
00:28:38,344 --> 00:28:39,709
But he loves his wife,
656
00:28:39,793 --> 00:28:41,502
but he also loves coming
here and having sex.
657
00:28:41,586 --> 00:28:43,467
So Curtis, are you gonna
give your demonstration
658
00:28:43,551 --> 00:28:44,950
of your world famous blow job?
659
00:28:45,034 --> 00:28:45,674
Oh yeah.
660
00:28:45,758 --> 00:28:46,310
Yeah?
661
00:28:47,206 --> 00:28:48,329
Look at that smile on your face.
662
00:28:48,413 --> 00:28:50,847
Alright, show the boy what he's in for.
663
00:28:50,931 --> 00:28:53,137
He's a little backwoods
guy, he's very simple.
664
00:28:55,137 --> 00:28:56,502
Dean is very eccentric.
665
00:28:56,586 --> 00:28:58,295
When he's not behind the
camera, he's juggling,
666
00:28:58,379 --> 00:29:01,329
doing handstands, back flips,
telling random stories.
667
00:29:01,413 --> 00:29:03,295
My tingly face was tingling.
668
00:29:03,379 --> 00:29:05,329
It's about the sensation you get
669
00:29:05,413 --> 00:29:07,758
when your ass gets real good.
670
00:29:09,068 --> 00:29:10,157
Has that ever happened before?
671
00:29:10,241 --> 00:29:12,088
Only when the dick is good.
672
00:29:12,172 --> 00:29:13,605
He has a whole kinky side to him in his
673
00:29:13,689 --> 00:29:17,571
personal life that he's
been very, very vocal about.
674
00:29:17,655 --> 00:29:18,812
He's a good kid.
675
00:29:18,896 --> 00:29:19,916
I don't really know anyone that's not
676
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,241
had a time working with him.
677
00:29:22,448 --> 00:29:23,847
It's unique, but we have a lot of models
678
00:29:23,931 --> 00:29:25,674
that will open up and
they'll pull me aside
679
00:29:25,758 --> 00:29:26,778
and be like, I'm having weird feelings,
680
00:29:26,862 --> 00:29:28,329
and I'll just be like, not today.
681
00:29:28,413 --> 00:29:30,191
I don't wanna deal with
your commit story today,
682
00:29:30,275 --> 00:29:31,122
let's just go to work.
683
00:29:31,206 --> 00:29:32,517
It happens more than you think.
684
00:29:33,689 --> 00:29:35,088
We like to say we're
amateurs because we're
685
00:29:35,172 --> 00:29:36,916
working with models that have
never done any work before.
686
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,743
So, we're coaching them
through how to move,
687
00:29:39,827 --> 00:29:41,743
how to breathe, how to act on camera,
688
00:29:41,827 --> 00:29:44,758
making sure that they are coming
across as good as they can.
689
00:29:46,103 --> 00:29:46,689
Pause.
690
00:29:47,689 --> 00:29:48,778
No, no, don't move.
691
00:29:48,862 --> 00:29:49,916
Remember exactly where your hands were,
692
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,157
remember exactly where your legs were.
693
00:29:51,241 --> 00:29:52,502
So why did we pause?
694
00:29:52,586 --> 00:29:54,571
Curtis had Listerine all over his mouth.
695
00:29:54,655 --> 00:29:56,467
It's not the sexiest thing
when you have blue mouth.
696
00:29:56,551 --> 00:29:58,241
Don't come out until it's clean, okay?
697
00:29:59,310 --> 00:29:59,931
Let me see your tongue.
698
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:01,551
Much better.
699
00:30:02,655 --> 00:30:04,433
We're gonna start,
you're down there again.
700
00:30:04,517 --> 00:30:05,778
You're gonna pull him up, kiss him.
701
00:30:05,862 --> 00:30:07,137
Look him in the face, say .
702
00:30:13,862 --> 00:30:16,191
So let's troubleshoot a few
things I need to happen.
703
00:30:16,275 --> 00:30:17,916
I need you to hold him
and bend at the knee
704
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,916
because where your leg goes out so far,
705
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,916
you're blocking a lot of the penetration.
706
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,226
Abs, lock your abs, because remember,
707
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:25,984
you're in a position where
you're leaning forward,
708
00:30:26,068 --> 00:30:29,019
so if I don't see a lot
of abs it's just skin.
709
00:30:29,103 --> 00:30:31,916
Lean back, long strokes, okay?
710
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,398
When you're crying later on,
711
00:30:33,482 --> 00:30:34,655
make sure you say you like
the dick in your ass, okay?
712
00:30:37,896 --> 00:30:39,000
I love this.
713
00:30:43,172 --> 00:30:45,191
I think the whole gay for pay taboo thing,
714
00:30:45,275 --> 00:30:46,674
it boggles my mind that it's now just
715
00:30:46,758 --> 00:30:48,502
becoming like, everyone's
talking about it.
716
00:30:48,586 --> 00:30:50,571
Because I've been in this
industry for six years,
717
00:30:50,655 --> 00:30:53,847
so I've been using the term gay
for pay for almost a decade.
718
00:30:53,931 --> 00:30:55,984
I don't really understand why
it's so fascinating to people.
719
00:30:56,068 --> 00:30:57,260
The people I talk to in my personal life,
720
00:30:57,344 --> 00:30:58,571
there's no way he's straight,
721
00:30:58,655 --> 00:31:00,916
he just blew some guy
or had sex with a guy,
722
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,743
they don't see that it's money motivated,
723
00:31:02,827 --> 00:31:04,640
or it's performance motivated or,
724
00:31:04,724 --> 00:31:06,053
they'll flip a switch and then
725
00:31:06,137 --> 00:31:07,571
they turn into a character.
726
00:31:07,655 --> 00:31:09,295
I'm taken aback a little bit
by the fascination of it.
727
00:31:09,379 --> 00:31:11,571
I don't really get it because
will walk onto my set,
728
00:31:11,655 --> 00:31:12,916
and they're like, woah this is crazy.
729
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,536
And I'm like, no, not even a little bit.
730
00:31:14,620 --> 00:31:16,344
This is my office.
731
00:31:20,862 --> 00:31:22,916
If you took away the money,
what would motivate our models?
732
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,847
I think everyone wants to
kind of push their curiosity
733
00:31:25,931 --> 00:31:27,812
and be like, hey, maybe I can do that.
734
00:31:27,896 --> 00:31:29,260
And a lot of our solos when they come in,
735
00:31:29,344 --> 00:31:30,743
they're like, I just wanna
see if I could do it.
736
00:31:30,827 --> 00:31:32,778
And they do it and they wipe their hands,
737
00:31:32,862 --> 00:31:33,778
and they're like, hey, it was fun.
738
00:31:33,862 --> 00:31:35,260
It's a fun memory,
739
00:31:35,344 --> 00:31:36,571
while other guys will go back
and show their girlfriends,
740
00:31:36,655 --> 00:31:38,122
show their boyfriends, show their friends.
741
00:31:38,206 --> 00:31:39,743
So I think just being made to feel pretty
742
00:31:39,827 --> 00:31:42,034
is what really motivates our people.
743
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,191
Do you find porn that features straight
744
00:31:49,275 --> 00:31:52,724
men having sex together
a turn on or offensive?
745
00:31:53,896 --> 00:31:57,019
I didn't watch gay porn scene before but...
746
00:31:57,103 --> 00:31:58,674
Oh, it depends.
747
00:31:58,758 --> 00:31:59,812
I don't care.
748
00:31:59,896 --> 00:32:02,206
The love, the storylines.
749
00:32:03,965 --> 00:32:05,709
I honestly see it as a business.
750
00:32:05,793 --> 00:32:07,433
so I don't really don't
think it's offensive.
751
00:32:07,517 --> 00:32:09,881
People make their choice to watch porn.
752
00:32:09,965 --> 00:32:12,950
And if they're watching that type of porn,
753
00:32:13,034 --> 00:32:15,467
they're just embracing
that type of business
754
00:32:15,551 --> 00:32:17,260
for their personal pleasure so,
755
00:32:17,344 --> 00:32:19,122
I don't know why they
would find it offensive.
756
00:32:19,206 --> 00:32:20,984
Oh, definitely a turn on.
757
00:32:21,068 --> 00:32:23,019
I love straight boys, they're my favorite.
758
00:32:23,103 --> 00:32:26,398
Personally, I'm indifferent towards it.
759
00:32:26,482 --> 00:32:28,226
Don't get me wrong, I don't know a gay man
760
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:30,260
that doesn't have that fantasy
761
00:32:30,344 --> 00:32:31,191
of wanting to know if someone was
762
00:32:31,275 --> 00:32:32,743
straight and went gay for them
763
00:32:32,827 --> 00:32:34,364
because we all want our egos rubbed.
764
00:32:34,448 --> 00:32:36,241
But it's a lie at the end of the day.
765
00:32:37,586 --> 00:32:40,191
Porn has very little fantasy left to it.
766
00:32:40,275 --> 00:32:42,103
It makes no difference.
767
00:32:49,517 --> 00:32:51,329
So I got into the industry initially,
768
00:32:51,413 --> 00:32:53,916
actually just doing erotic art.
769
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,433
So, calendars, coffee table books
770
00:32:56,517 --> 00:32:58,157
with various photographers.
771
00:32:58,241 --> 00:33:01,260
I was introduced to people
in the industry that way.
772
00:33:01,344 --> 00:33:03,502
I didn't actually start doing hardcore
773
00:33:03,586 --> 00:33:07,206
porn until this year, actually, 2015.
774
00:33:10,551 --> 00:33:12,260
At first, I was kind of unsure about
775
00:33:12,344 --> 00:33:13,502
working with straight people,
776
00:33:13,586 --> 00:33:15,605
because I felt like if I'm doing gay porn,
777
00:33:15,689 --> 00:33:17,571
I feel I need to have a
connection with someone,
778
00:33:17,655 --> 00:33:20,881
or someone that has that
same vibe that I do,
779
00:33:20,965 --> 00:33:22,157
in order to be able to connect with
780
00:33:22,241 --> 00:33:23,778
them and be able to perform well.
781
00:33:23,862 --> 00:33:26,674
So for that reason,
I felt it was better
782
00:33:26,758 --> 00:33:29,206
for me to work with just gay people.
783
00:33:34,551 --> 00:33:37,329
My first scene, however,
was with a straight guy.
784
00:33:37,413 --> 00:33:40,916
His name was Justin Matthews,
and he was a total sweetheart.
785
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,605
He was really nice, so
I couldn't have asked
786
00:33:43,689 --> 00:33:46,034
for someone better to work
with for my first scene.
787
00:33:50,862 --> 00:33:52,329
So filming with a straight guy,
788
00:33:52,413 --> 00:33:54,605
I think one of my most
memorable experiences
789
00:33:54,689 --> 00:33:56,605
was probably with
Landon Michaels.
790
00:33:56,689 --> 00:34:00,260
He's just a chill guy, no
pretentiousness at all,
791
00:34:00,344 --> 00:34:02,950
just a real down-to-earth, good person.
792
00:34:03,034 --> 00:34:04,812
Just someone that you'd
like to hang out with,
793
00:34:04,896 --> 00:34:07,172
and I had a really good
time with him, actually.
794
00:34:18,172 --> 00:34:20,950
Hey, I'm Alex Mecum, I'm
shooting with Men.com today,
795
00:34:21,034 --> 00:34:23,881
and I'm actually gonna be
shooting with Diego Sans.
796
00:34:23,965 --> 00:34:26,881
Alex and I, we actually
met back in San Francisco,
797
00:34:26,965 --> 00:34:27,674
when I was living there.
798
00:34:27,758 --> 00:34:29,950
This was around 2012.
799
00:34:30,034 --> 00:34:33,640
At San Francisco pride,
we met up for coffee.
800
00:34:33,724 --> 00:34:35,206
It was more than just coffee.
801
00:34:36,655 --> 00:34:39,034
I had coffee, he had some
sort of Brazillian .
802
00:34:41,379 --> 00:34:43,743
And then afterwards, he
gave me a tour of his place.
803
00:34:43,827 --> 00:34:45,329
He had a nice, big bed and everything.
804
00:34:45,413 --> 00:34:48,433
Then we sort of made out for a bit,
805
00:34:48,517 --> 00:34:51,122
got hard, and then we had sex.
806
00:34:51,206 --> 00:34:53,000
So, we've met before.
807
00:34:54,620 --> 00:34:58,034
I'm actually not
nervous at all filming it.
808
00:34:59,379 --> 00:35:00,433
It was a lot of fun.
809
00:35:00,517 --> 00:35:01,881
He's a great guy,
810
00:35:01,965 --> 00:35:03,034
an amazing body.
811
00:35:04,517 --> 00:35:05,847
I'm very excited to film it and
812
00:35:05,931 --> 00:35:08,191
have it as a little memory.
813
00:35:08,275 --> 00:35:10,916
Haven't seen him since we
had sex all those years ago,
814
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,571
and I'm excited to see him today.
815
00:35:12,655 --> 00:35:14,122
It was one of those hook
ups that you were like,
816
00:35:14,206 --> 00:35:16,502
oh fuck, I hope it happens again and then,
817
00:35:16,586 --> 00:35:17,413
it is.
818
00:35:21,344 --> 00:35:21,916
Hey.
819
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,068
Diego, hug.
820
00:35:24,068 --> 00:35:24,812
Good to see you.
821
00:35:24,896 --> 00:35:25,778
Good to see you.
822
00:35:25,862 --> 00:35:26,862
How have you been?
823
00:35:32,551 --> 00:35:33,778
In throughout my porn career,
824
00:35:33,862 --> 00:35:35,743
I've had different experiences with
825
00:35:35,827 --> 00:35:38,536
working with gay people and then also
826
00:35:38,620 --> 00:35:41,226
working with straight people as well.
827
00:35:41,310 --> 00:35:44,674
And I can't say whether one
is better than the other,
828
00:35:44,758 --> 00:35:48,053
honestly, because I've
had wonderful experiences
829
00:35:48,137 --> 00:35:51,275
with people of both sexual identities.
830
00:35:53,241 --> 00:35:55,191
I was thinking at the beginning that
831
00:35:55,275 --> 00:35:56,571
I would be able to connect with someone
832
00:35:56,655 --> 00:35:58,984
who is gay and not with
someone who is straight,
833
00:35:59,068 --> 00:36:01,019
and it actually didn't
turn out to be true.
834
00:36:01,103 --> 00:36:03,916
I've had wonderful experiences
with people who are straight.
835
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,019
And what really matters to me now
836
00:36:06,103 --> 00:36:08,984
is not what they identify as sexually,
837
00:36:09,068 --> 00:36:12,916
but just how our energies
can bounce off each other.
838
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,709
And I think that's what is important
839
00:36:14,793 --> 00:36:17,068
and what I learned throughout my process.
840
00:36:23,379 --> 00:36:26,364
I know there's a lot of stigma these days,
841
00:36:26,448 --> 00:36:29,019
against gay for pay, people in porn,
842
00:36:29,103 --> 00:36:33,019
but honestly, I think some
of the gay for pay people
843
00:36:33,103 --> 00:36:36,122
are some of the best performers
I've actually worked with.
844
00:36:36,206 --> 00:36:38,950
And like I say, some of them
have just been very awesome,
845
00:36:39,034 --> 00:36:41,000
and I've actually loved working with them.
846
00:36:51,413 --> 00:36:53,916
I was motivated to do porn because
847
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,260
Dunkin' Donuts not paying the bills,
848
00:36:56,344 --> 00:36:58,191
and me and my dog kinda got
849
00:36:58,275 --> 00:37:00,931
tired of winters outside.
850
00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:06,295
My ex-fiance actually gave me the idea.
851
00:37:06,379 --> 00:37:10,260
She found it online and I was comfortable
852
00:37:10,344 --> 00:37:13,916
with myself enough to not
be bothered by the idea.
853
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,295
And so, I just went and tried it out.
854
00:37:16,379 --> 00:37:18,191
What motivate me to try porn was
855
00:37:18,275 --> 00:37:21,950
a good mixture of money,
856
00:37:22,034 --> 00:37:23,984
other people's suggestions,
857
00:37:24,068 --> 00:37:26,019
and the idea of doing something
858
00:37:26,103 --> 00:37:27,571
really different with my life.
859
00:37:27,655 --> 00:37:30,778
I decided to try porn because it's porn.
860
00:37:30,862 --> 00:37:33,088
It was a chance to have sex on film.
861
00:37:33,172 --> 00:37:36,053
The money is good and there was travel,
862
00:37:36,137 --> 00:37:37,862
just sounded like a good opportunity.
863
00:37:41,310 --> 00:37:44,433
My family, no, they don't know I do porn.
864
00:37:44,517 --> 00:37:47,260
I'm sure one of my sisters will
865
00:37:47,344 --> 00:37:49,260
find out sooner or later
866
00:37:49,344 --> 00:37:50,847
because they got a lot of gay friends.
867
00:37:50,931 --> 00:37:52,310
So I'm hoping, not yet.
868
00:37:54,344 --> 00:37:56,019
My family knows I did porn,
869
00:37:56,103 --> 00:37:59,812
and I was pretty much ostracized
870
00:37:59,896 --> 00:38:01,950
from my entire community.
871
00:38:02,034 --> 00:38:04,743
I moved to Fort Lauderdale
when everybody found out.
872
00:38:04,827 --> 00:38:06,793
My parents didn't talk
to me for a few years.
873
00:38:07,965 --> 00:38:09,295
My family doesn't know that I'm in porn,
874
00:38:09,379 --> 00:38:12,122
but I think my mom would
actually be pretty accepting.
875
00:38:12,206 --> 00:38:14,812
She's liberal, just
embraces the whole world,
876
00:38:14,896 --> 00:38:17,226
and I think she'd be
okay with me doing porn.
877
00:38:17,310 --> 00:38:20,551
So my family doesn't
know at all that I do porn.
878
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,655
If they did, they probably
wouldn't react very well.
879
00:38:25,034 --> 00:38:26,689
So that's why I've kept that quiet.
880
00:38:28,103 --> 00:38:30,778
I don't think my father, my
mother, or my brother know.
881
00:38:30,862 --> 00:38:33,640
But if they did,
I don't think they
882
00:38:33,724 --> 00:38:35,965
would have anything
against it, personally.
883
00:38:37,310 --> 00:38:38,620
It'd be kinda weird though.
884
00:38:39,724 --> 00:38:41,881
My family, they don't know.
885
00:38:41,965 --> 00:38:44,743
I think I told my brother
when I first started.
886
00:38:44,827 --> 00:38:46,640
My dad doesn't know.
887
00:38:46,724 --> 00:38:48,157
He would probably kill me.
888
00:38:48,241 --> 00:38:51,881
And then my mother, she has
an idea that I do something.
889
00:38:51,965 --> 00:38:54,778
I don't know if she thinks
that it's gay porn or not,
890
00:38:54,862 --> 00:38:57,709
but she definitely has
given me the hint that...
891
00:38:57,793 --> 00:38:59,191
She told me to be careful when I make
892
00:38:59,275 --> 00:39:00,758
these trips down to San Diego.
893
00:39:06,137 --> 00:39:07,295
You get labeled straight because
894
00:39:07,379 --> 00:39:09,157
outside of the porn
I've always been,
895
00:39:09,241 --> 00:39:10,812
for the most part, straight.
896
00:39:10,896 --> 00:39:13,827
I've never really had any
boyfriends or anything but,
897
00:39:15,724 --> 00:39:18,019
I'm doing this for the
money I guess, I don't know.
898
00:39:18,103 --> 00:39:21,295
I used to label straight when I guys
899
00:39:21,379 --> 00:39:23,984
because to gay porn,
900
00:39:24,068 --> 00:39:26,310
I prefer pussy most of the time.
901
00:39:27,758 --> 00:39:29,571
I labeled myself straight when I started
902
00:39:29,655 --> 00:39:32,398
because I have sex with women off camera.
903
00:39:32,482 --> 00:39:35,881
But now, I joke around and call
myself heteroflexible or bi.
904
00:39:35,965 --> 00:39:37,433
The reason I used the label straight
905
00:39:37,517 --> 00:39:40,295
when I still have sex with men is because
906
00:39:40,379 --> 00:39:43,088
I have sex with men for work.
907
00:39:43,172 --> 00:39:46,137
Still not that attracted to
the guys like I would be women.
908
00:39:47,103 --> 00:39:49,640
Personally, don't mind having
909
00:39:49,724 --> 00:39:52,275
sex with the same sex,
910
00:39:53,482 --> 00:39:54,916
especially when I'm getting paid for it.
911
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,640
But having a personal
relationship with the
912
00:39:56,724 --> 00:39:59,778
same sex just hasn't happened
for me, personally yet.
913
00:39:59,862 --> 00:40:03,122
The reason why I would
label myself straight
914
00:40:03,206 --> 00:40:06,157
is because outside of this business,
915
00:40:06,241 --> 00:40:08,088
I don't have sex with men.
916
00:40:08,172 --> 00:40:10,881
I don't enjoy the action
917
00:40:10,965 --> 00:40:12,881
of male on male sex.
918
00:40:12,965 --> 00:40:16,000
It's simply easy for me to do as a job.
919
00:40:25,275 --> 00:40:27,502
I got started in gay porn when
920
00:40:27,586 --> 00:40:29,916
I was stripping at a gay club in Portland,
921
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,467
and a scouter, he came
through and gave me his card,
922
00:40:33,551 --> 00:40:35,433
saying that I could make
some pretty good money
923
00:40:35,517 --> 00:40:38,467
if I would to just go do a solo video.
924
00:40:38,551 --> 00:40:41,191
I considered it but still
gave it a years time
925
00:40:41,275 --> 00:40:43,053
before I actually called the guy and said,
926
00:40:43,137 --> 00:40:45,916
okay, let's do this, let's
take the photos, send them in,
927
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,640
and see if we could make this work.
928
00:40:47,724 --> 00:40:49,364
They actually denied
me because they didn't
929
00:40:49,448 --> 00:40:52,517
like my long, shaggy hair at the time.
930
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,950
They suggested I cut it,
and so I gave that a shot.
931
00:40:57,034 --> 00:40:59,157
One week later, we took
another set of photos,
932
00:40:59,241 --> 00:41:02,605
sent them in, and within
a week, I was flown out.
933
00:41:02,689 --> 00:41:04,226
I was, honestly, a lot more comfortable
934
00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:06,329
than I ever expected I
would have been doing it.
935
00:41:06,413 --> 00:41:08,295
Got through it, the camera guys were,
936
00:41:08,379 --> 00:41:09,571
they were real professionals,
937
00:41:09,655 --> 00:41:10,881
so I felt real comfortable around them,
938
00:41:10,965 --> 00:41:12,950
I didn't feel intimidated in any way.
939
00:41:13,034 --> 00:41:15,517
I was able to just bing, bang, boom.
940
00:41:17,103 --> 00:41:18,226
Is it stuffed?
941
00:41:18,310 --> 00:41:20,709
No, it's all real, it's all me.
942
00:41:20,793 --> 00:41:24,536
I did it, made the money,
vacationed, came back.
943
00:41:24,620 --> 00:41:28,586
They made a substantial
offer for doing a gay scene.
944
00:41:29,793 --> 00:41:30,310
I agreed.
945
00:41:35,172 --> 00:41:37,847
My first time kissing a
man was with Sean Cody
946
00:41:37,931 --> 00:41:40,743
during the first video I
ever did in early February.
947
00:41:40,827 --> 00:41:41,743
Are you nervous?
948
00:41:41,827 --> 00:41:42,950
A little bit.
949
00:41:43,034 --> 00:41:43,674
Ever kissed a dude?
950
00:41:43,758 --> 00:41:45,191
I haven't.
951
00:41:45,275 --> 00:41:47,295
It was with Brandon, he was
an experienced model already.
952
00:41:47,379 --> 00:41:48,674
Brandon's gonna show you the ropes.
953
00:41:48,758 --> 00:41:51,019
And so he made it really easy.
954
00:41:51,103 --> 00:41:53,881
He's like, hey, I've
done this several times,
955
00:41:53,965 --> 00:41:55,536
it's not a big deal.
956
00:41:55,620 --> 00:41:56,379
How was that?
957
00:41:58,379 --> 00:41:59,241
Not too different.
958
00:42:01,448 --> 00:42:03,088
It was a hurdle I kinda
959
00:42:03,172 --> 00:42:05,778
had to jump over, mentally,
960
00:42:05,862 --> 00:42:09,502
because I did grow up with
a background of stigma
961
00:42:09,586 --> 00:42:11,640
surrounding the gay community and,
962
00:42:11,724 --> 00:42:14,379
I always kinda questioned,
what's really wrong about it?
963
00:42:16,896 --> 00:42:19,260
Is there really anything wrong about it?
964
00:42:19,344 --> 00:42:22,226
If I was into it, what would it matter?
965
00:42:22,310 --> 00:42:23,827
I know I'm not into it.
966
00:42:25,172 --> 00:42:26,640
Even though I had done the scene,
967
00:42:26,724 --> 00:42:29,812
I still knew exactly where
I was with my sexuality,
968
00:42:29,896 --> 00:42:32,709
and I wasn't uncomfortable with
the fact that I had done it,
969
00:42:32,793 --> 00:42:36,019
because I've never
considered it to be wrong.
970
00:42:36,103 --> 00:42:38,019
There are some members of my family
971
00:42:38,103 --> 00:42:41,502
that would be upset
about it being gay porn.
972
00:42:41,586 --> 00:42:44,260
And if they're not going to
understand what I'm doing,
973
00:42:44,344 --> 00:42:47,122
I don't really feel there's
a point in letting them know.
974
00:42:47,206 --> 00:42:50,778
And if they find out at any
point, I don't really care.
975
00:42:50,862 --> 00:42:52,758
It's just I don't feel like telling them.
976
00:42:57,448 --> 00:42:59,502
I've never had sex with a guy off camera
977
00:42:59,586 --> 00:43:02,916
because I just don't find
masculinity attractive.
978
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,778
I've never felt any deep connection,
979
00:43:05,862 --> 00:43:07,743
sexually, with a man.
980
00:43:07,827 --> 00:43:10,157
I'm not opposed to men being involved
981
00:43:10,241 --> 00:43:12,916
in three ways or anything like that,
982
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,709
it's just it wouldn't do
anything for me to spend
983
00:43:15,793 --> 00:43:18,586
time in bed with a man, just me and him.
984
00:43:20,448 --> 00:43:22,536
People believe that
I enjoy doing this,
985
00:43:22,620 --> 00:43:24,364
and they believe that I'm gay because
986
00:43:24,448 --> 00:43:28,053
I act the part, in order
to receive payment.
987
00:43:28,137 --> 00:43:29,984
If I don't look like I enjoy it,
988
00:43:30,068 --> 00:43:31,295
nobody's gonna wanna watch it.
989
00:43:31,379 --> 00:43:33,984
If nobody is gonna pay to watch it,
990
00:43:34,068 --> 00:43:34,916
why would they keep calling me
991
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,413
out to make anymore money?
992
00:43:37,758 --> 00:43:39,778
I'm gonna keep on putting on that face
993
00:43:39,862 --> 00:43:41,689
and looking like I enjoy every bit of it.
994
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:45,881
Are you using your station
995
00:43:45,965 --> 00:43:46,827
or are you using porn?
996
00:43:48,137 --> 00:43:49,778
I'm gonna have my
girlfriend talk dirty to me.
997
00:43:49,862 --> 00:43:50,571
Okay, he's gonna use your
998
00:43:50,655 --> 00:43:51,640
emote for a little bit.
999
00:43:51,724 --> 00:43:52,655
Such a weirdo.
1000
00:43:53,793 --> 00:43:56,364
Getting a hard-on seems to be pretty easy.
1001
00:43:56,448 --> 00:43:58,916
You're seperate in rooms,
you have porn to watch,
1002
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,433
but to stay hard is a task on itself.
1003
00:44:02,517 --> 00:44:04,916
And to get off when you're
not attracted to the
1004
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,916
person that you're
actually having sex with,
1005
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,364
considering I'm not into men, it's like...
1006
00:44:10,448 --> 00:44:11,709
I need a full boner sir.
1007
00:44:11,793 --> 00:44:13,571
But when you've done enough of it,
1008
00:44:13,655 --> 00:44:14,931
it becomes a lot easier.
1009
00:44:16,103 --> 00:44:18,916
When we get started, and
if we start going soft,
1010
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,467
we just jump back out, we get hard again,
1011
00:44:21,551 --> 00:44:23,000
and we jump back into the scene.
1012
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,053
When I'm bottoming, I
kinda just have to accept
1013
00:44:29,137 --> 00:44:31,398
I have to play a submissive and what is
1014
00:44:31,482 --> 00:44:33,502
considered to be a more feminine part,
1015
00:44:33,586 --> 00:44:36,536
and I just kind of disconnect from myself
1016
00:44:36,620 --> 00:44:38,000
in order to be able to do it.
1017
00:44:40,103 --> 00:44:43,467
It's necessary for us
to do a cleansing and a
1018
00:44:43,551 --> 00:44:47,260
stretching process before
we get into the scene.
1019
00:44:47,344 --> 00:44:51,019
Stretching allows us to not
feel a substantial amount
1020
00:44:51,103 --> 00:44:54,191
of pain by the time you're
actually doing the scene.
1021
00:44:54,275 --> 00:44:56,310
Alright, go in slowly for two.
1022
00:44:57,689 --> 00:44:58,571
Do you need a stretch mark?
1023
00:44:58,655 --> 00:44:59,862
Yeah I need a stretch mark.
1024
00:45:01,241 --> 00:45:02,950
We use plugs and
1025
00:45:03,034 --> 00:45:04,571
we pick up this,
1026
00:45:04,655 --> 00:45:05,984
what was that, like a two foot,
1027
00:45:06,068 --> 00:45:08,157
double-sided sword dildo.
1028
00:45:08,241 --> 00:45:10,122
You don't have to take the whole thing,
1029
00:45:10,206 --> 00:45:11,778
maybe try to take like...
1030
00:45:11,862 --> 00:45:12,674
Half of it at least?
1031
00:45:12,758 --> 00:45:13,241
Yeah.
1032
00:45:14,413 --> 00:45:15,260
And just have a good time with it.
1033
00:45:15,344 --> 00:45:17,122
Get in at least seven inches,
1034
00:45:17,206 --> 00:45:19,467
that way I could take
nine, of the real one.
1035
00:45:19,551 --> 00:45:20,709
How much can you take right now?
1036
00:45:20,793 --> 00:45:22,916
I got up to about right there.
1037
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,517
The rubber hurts a lot
more than the real thing.
1038
00:45:27,517 --> 00:45:28,068
Stop.
1039
00:45:29,275 --> 00:45:31,000
Go back, go back.
1040
00:45:34,827 --> 00:45:36,916
You get three of those,
I can juggle them for you.
1041
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,433
There is a G spot in
males' rectums, right?
1042
00:45:40,517 --> 00:45:43,724
So, it's not the most
terrible feeling, I won't lie.
1043
00:45:45,586 --> 00:45:48,640
Starting out with bottoming has kind of
1044
00:45:48,724 --> 00:45:50,674
allowed me to be
adventurous in the bedroom
1045
00:45:50,758 --> 00:45:52,137
with my girlfriend back at home.
1046
00:45:53,413 --> 00:45:55,640
She's also just as adventurous and
1047
00:45:55,724 --> 00:45:58,310
enjoys playing with my
prostate a little bit.
1048
00:46:00,379 --> 00:46:01,640
But yeah, I definitely would prefer to
1049
00:46:01,724 --> 00:46:04,398
flip flop so I don't
look like the feminine
1050
00:46:04,482 --> 00:46:06,482
piece throughout the entire film.
1051
00:46:08,896 --> 00:46:09,743
I wouldn't say that my number one
1052
00:46:09,827 --> 00:46:12,674
motivator to do this is money.
1053
00:46:12,758 --> 00:46:15,778
I would say that it's what
the money does for me.
1054
00:46:15,862 --> 00:46:19,088
The money allows me to
live a more free lifestyle
1055
00:46:19,172 --> 00:46:21,571
away from a nine to five job and,
1056
00:46:21,655 --> 00:46:23,226
just to be able to start my own
1057
00:46:23,310 --> 00:46:25,812
business in kink and fetish.
1058
00:46:25,896 --> 00:46:27,847
I feel more liberated and free.
1059
00:46:27,931 --> 00:46:30,226
Doing gay porn has caused some small
1060
00:46:30,310 --> 00:46:32,502
problems in the dating scene for me.
1061
00:46:32,586 --> 00:46:34,778
There's been women that
couldn't deal with it.
1062
00:46:34,862 --> 00:46:37,536
I had to deal with the fact that
1063
00:46:37,620 --> 00:46:38,916
not everybody's gonna accept it.
1064
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,984
I have met other people on the other hand
1065
00:46:41,068 --> 00:46:43,536
that are really psyched
about what I'm doing,
1066
00:46:43,620 --> 00:46:46,329
and it's almost a turn
on for some women that I
1067
00:46:46,413 --> 00:46:48,916
have the open mind to be able
to do something like this.
1068
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,295
I'm dating a girl that's also in sex work.
1069
00:46:52,379 --> 00:46:55,709
She's a dancer who works next door
1070
00:46:55,793 --> 00:46:57,053
to where I dance in Portland.
1071
00:46:57,137 --> 00:47:00,709
I'm actually new-ish to
the stripping industry.
1072
00:47:00,793 --> 00:47:03,709
I've done it before for a few
months, a couple years back.
1073
00:47:03,793 --> 00:47:06,605
And then I started doing this and left it.
1074
00:47:06,689 --> 00:47:09,536
But I went back recently and I find that
1075
00:47:09,620 --> 00:47:11,122
I enjoy it a lot more because I'm more
1076
00:47:11,206 --> 00:47:13,329
comfortable and since
I've done this...
1077
00:47:13,413 --> 00:47:15,157
I really enjoy just kind of
1078
00:47:15,241 --> 00:47:16,812
performing in front of a crowd.
1079
00:47:16,896 --> 00:47:18,398
It doesn't have to be stripping.
1080
00:47:18,482 --> 00:47:20,364
If I was to move on to something else,
1081
00:47:20,448 --> 00:47:23,605
where I can do a performance
like circus work,
1082
00:47:23,689 --> 00:47:25,950
or acrobatics that people just wanna see.
1083
00:47:26,034 --> 00:47:28,019
I was always able to kinda do flips.
1084
00:47:28,103 --> 00:47:29,467
I learned them at a young age.
1085
00:47:29,551 --> 00:47:32,640
Kick off a wall back
flip, standing back flip.
1086
00:47:32,724 --> 00:47:36,226
I think that's really kind of
where my interest lie most,
1087
00:47:36,310 --> 00:47:38,536
but it was just easy to
kind of jump on stage
1088
00:47:38,620 --> 00:47:40,847
in a strip club and get a crowd cheering
1089
00:47:40,931 --> 00:47:42,413
for me and throw money at me.
1090
00:47:50,413 --> 00:47:51,605
Straight men generally get paid
1091
00:47:51,689 --> 00:47:54,571
more than gay men to
perform a gay sex scene.
1092
00:47:54,655 --> 00:47:55,724
Do you think that's okay?
1093
00:47:56,724 --> 00:47:57,571
No.
1094
00:47:57,655 --> 00:47:58,571
I don't think that's fair.
1095
00:47:58,655 --> 00:47:59,812
No, why, that makes no sense.
1096
00:47:59,896 --> 00:48:01,605
That's not right, it's not fair.
1097
00:48:01,689 --> 00:48:04,536
I think they should
be paid the same amount.
1098
00:48:04,620 --> 00:48:06,364
That's a tough question because I think
1099
00:48:06,448 --> 00:48:09,088
I get paid more than the straight guys do.
1100
00:48:09,172 --> 00:48:10,467
Yeah, why not?
1101
00:48:10,551 --> 00:48:12,122
Yeah, I'm okay with that.
1102
00:48:12,206 --> 00:48:14,260
I think no matter what industry
1103
00:48:14,344 --> 00:48:16,571
you're gonna look at,
there's discrimination.
1104
00:48:16,655 --> 00:48:18,536
There's gonna be a glass
ceiling, a pink ceiling.
1105
00:48:18,620 --> 00:48:20,502
In this case, it's a rainbow ceiling.
1106
00:48:20,586 --> 00:48:22,260
I think that has to be done because
1107
00:48:22,344 --> 00:48:25,122
to get them to actually
have sex with another man,
1108
00:48:25,206 --> 00:48:28,088
there needs to be that financial
backing behind it, right?
1109
00:48:28,172 --> 00:48:29,260
I don't think it's right.
1110
00:48:29,344 --> 00:48:30,448
I think everybody should
get paid the same.
1111
00:48:31,620 --> 00:48:33,157
Gay men do it for free all the time,
1112
00:48:33,241 --> 00:48:35,088
so there's that understanding,
1113
00:48:35,172 --> 00:48:37,157
well, I don't have to
pay that gay guy as much
1114
00:48:37,241 --> 00:48:39,605
because he's gonna do it for free anyways.
1115
00:48:39,689 --> 00:48:40,847
You know what I mean?
1116
00:48:40,931 --> 00:48:43,778
So I think that's kind of the general idea
1117
00:48:43,862 --> 00:48:45,812
and probably why they get
paid a little bit more
1118
00:48:45,896 --> 00:48:47,329
because they hold out for it.
1119
00:48:47,413 --> 00:48:49,778
If a gay man is willing
to take less money for it,
1120
00:48:49,862 --> 00:48:51,053
then it's probably something we should
1121
00:48:51,137 --> 00:48:54,226
deal with as a community
in the adult industry.
1122
00:48:54,310 --> 00:48:56,103
Okay, great, thanks guys.
1123
00:48:57,586 --> 00:48:58,448
You're welcome.
1124
00:49:04,827 --> 00:49:06,536
The excitement that
I've ever experienced
1125
00:49:06,620 --> 00:49:09,605
with having sex with a man has just been
1126
00:49:09,689 --> 00:49:11,605
working with them and getting
1127
00:49:11,689 --> 00:49:13,053
to know them personally.
1128
00:49:13,137 --> 00:49:16,191
But in terms of the actual
act of having sex with a man,
1129
00:49:16,275 --> 00:49:19,122
I never found it exciting
or even pleasurable.
1130
00:49:19,206 --> 00:49:21,778
Honestly, I'm not gonna compete
1131
00:49:21,862 --> 00:49:23,398
with a lesbian for eating pussy.
1132
00:49:23,482 --> 00:49:25,122
She's obviously gonna
know how to do it better.
1133
00:49:25,206 --> 00:49:28,034
So guys would definitely give
a better blow job than girls.
1134
00:49:29,793 --> 00:49:32,122
One of the things that kinda
excites me about having gay
1135
00:49:32,206 --> 00:49:35,398
sex is that you get to do
something a little different.
1136
00:49:35,482 --> 00:49:38,674
And sometimes, it's a little
uncomfortable and weird,
1137
00:49:38,758 --> 00:49:42,758
and that's exciting, I don't
really know why but it is.
1138
00:49:43,862 --> 00:49:45,329
It's new, it's different.
1139
00:49:45,413 --> 00:49:47,191
It's something that I have
1140
00:49:47,275 --> 00:49:49,502
never thought I'd actually try.
1141
00:49:49,586 --> 00:49:52,019
But there's been times
where I've actually had a
1142
00:49:52,103 --> 00:49:55,724
connection with a guy and
it was pretty enjoyable.
1143
00:49:59,724 --> 00:50:00,881
When it comes to bottoming,
1144
00:50:00,965 --> 00:50:02,709
when I did my first bottoming scene,
1145
00:50:02,793 --> 00:50:05,329
it was definitely a lot more physical
1146
00:50:05,413 --> 00:50:08,000
than emotional because
1147
00:50:09,137 --> 00:50:10,586
well, that hurt.
1148
00:50:11,862 --> 00:50:14,743
Hey, you got a 10 inch cock up your ass,
1149
00:50:14,827 --> 00:50:17,433
that's gonna hurt, it
doesn't feel too pleasant,
1150
00:50:17,517 --> 00:50:18,984
especially if you don't like it.
1151
00:50:19,068 --> 00:50:20,778
There definitely is some vulnerability
1152
00:50:20,862 --> 00:50:22,674
involved when you're bottoming.
1153
00:50:22,758 --> 00:50:25,743
You kind of give up a
little bit of masculinity,
1154
00:50:25,827 --> 00:50:28,122
or, I guess, some people think that.
1155
00:50:28,206 --> 00:50:29,536
I guess because you're in a
1156
00:50:29,620 --> 00:50:31,674
more physically vulnerable position,
1157
00:50:31,758 --> 00:50:32,881
and maybe people think that's not
1158
00:50:32,965 --> 00:50:35,433
the most macho or masculine thing to do.
1159
00:50:35,517 --> 00:50:36,931
Bottoming was horrific.
1160
00:50:38,448 --> 00:50:39,640
I couldn't stand it.
1161
00:50:39,724 --> 00:50:43,260
Mentally, I felt very taken advantage of,
1162
00:50:43,344 --> 00:50:45,536
even though I was choosing to do it.
1163
00:50:45,620 --> 00:50:48,122
I like to be the one in control.
1164
00:50:48,206 --> 00:50:50,536
And having that happened
1165
00:50:50,620 --> 00:50:52,517
is a complete loss of control.
1166
00:50:56,137 --> 00:50:57,778
After my career in porn comes to an end,
1167
00:50:57,862 --> 00:50:59,605
I might still have sex with men.
1168
00:50:59,689 --> 00:51:03,122
It feels good, it's fun, I've
met a lot of attractive guys.
1169
00:51:03,206 --> 00:51:04,812
So I'm sure that there are some out there
1170
00:51:04,896 --> 00:51:07,088
that'll tempt me into more sex.
1171
00:51:07,172 --> 00:51:09,053
No, I won't.
1172
00:51:09,137 --> 00:51:11,709
I won't be having sex with men
after this career does end.
1173
00:51:11,793 --> 00:51:13,191
It's always just been work for me,
1174
00:51:13,275 --> 00:51:15,502
so it won't be going on afterward.
1175
00:51:15,586 --> 00:51:18,068
Will I have sex with men
after my porn career ends?
1176
00:51:19,551 --> 00:51:22,034
Maybe, possibly, I don't know.
1177
00:51:23,551 --> 00:51:24,674
If Ryan Reynolds comes up to me
1178
00:51:24,758 --> 00:51:25,571
and tell me to put it in his ass,
1179
00:51:25,655 --> 00:51:26,655
I'm not gonna say no.
1180
00:51:27,896 --> 00:51:29,295
I don't think that
I'll have sex with men
1181
00:51:29,379 --> 00:51:31,241
after my porn career is over but,
1182
00:51:32,931 --> 00:51:34,034
anything could happen.
1183
00:51:36,931 --> 00:51:39,000
I'll take that as a definite yes.
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