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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,672 --> 00:00:07,408 This program is about unsolved mysteries. 2 00:00:07,508 --> 00:00:09,443 Whenever possible, the actual family members 3 00:00:09,543 --> 00:00:11,345 and police officials have participated 4 00:00:11,445 --> 00:00:12,980 in recreating the events. 5 00:00:13,081 --> 00:00:17,685 What you are about to see is not a news broadcast. 6 00:00:17,785 --> 00:00:20,054 [music playing] 7 00:00:20,154 --> 00:00:22,456 NARRATOR: On the surface, Reggie DePalma was 8 00:00:22,556 --> 00:00:24,758 a caring and dedicated fireman. 9 00:00:24,858 --> 00:00:28,129 In reality, DePalma was a cynical manipulator 10 00:00:28,229 --> 00:00:30,264 who used his position as a scout leader 11 00:00:30,364 --> 00:00:34,068 to prey on vulnerable young girls. 12 00:00:34,168 --> 00:00:36,370 For years, a woman named Miriam was haunted 13 00:00:36,470 --> 00:00:38,539 by erratic, frightening images from a life 14 00:00:38,639 --> 00:00:40,308 she barely remembered. 15 00:00:40,408 --> 00:00:42,710 In time, a fragmented portrait emerged 16 00:00:42,810 --> 00:00:45,679 of two very special people Miriam believes 17 00:00:45,779 --> 00:00:49,983 helped her survive a troubled, traumatic childhood. 18 00:00:50,084 --> 00:00:53,587 Based on his own confession, Michael Self of Webster, Texas 19 00:00:53,687 --> 00:00:56,624 was convicted of murdering two teenage girls. 20 00:00:56,724 --> 00:00:59,460 But Self has always maintained that he is innocent 21 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,061 and that the confession was coerced 22 00:01:01,162 --> 00:01:03,797 by a sadistic police chief. 23 00:01:03,897 --> 00:01:07,401 Surprisingly, both a local Sheriff and a state prosecutor 24 00:01:07,501 --> 00:01:10,971 believe Michael Self's story is true. 25 00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:13,207 And from the annals of World War II, 26 00:01:13,307 --> 00:01:16,244 the fascinating legend of the ghost blimp. 27 00:01:16,344 --> 00:01:20,314 In 1942, a US Navy airship crashed to earth in California 28 00:01:20,414 --> 00:01:22,416 with no one on board. 29 00:01:22,516 --> 00:01:24,752 To this day, the fate of its crew 30 00:01:24,852 --> 00:01:27,321 remains an unsolved mystery. 31 00:01:27,421 --> 00:01:28,822 Join me. 32 00:01:28,922 --> 00:01:30,858 Perhaps you may solve a mystery. 33 00:01:30,958 --> 00:01:33,361 [intro music] 34 00:02:26,614 --> 00:02:28,349 NARRATOR: Her name is Miriam. 35 00:02:28,449 --> 00:02:30,718 She's 50 years old, lives in New York, 36 00:02:30,818 --> 00:02:32,853 and has one grown daughter. 37 00:02:32,953 --> 00:02:35,223 Miriam's husband died in 1984. 38 00:02:35,323 --> 00:02:37,691 And she now does extensive volunteer work 39 00:02:37,791 --> 00:02:41,429 with other widows and widowers. 40 00:02:41,529 --> 00:02:43,764 I have this vague feeling that, uh [inaudible]. 41 00:02:43,864 --> 00:02:46,400 NARRATOR: In July of 1982, Miriam 42 00:02:46,500 --> 00:02:48,302 was seeing a psychologist. 43 00:02:48,402 --> 00:02:51,205 Therapy led her down a frightening path filled 44 00:02:51,305 --> 00:02:53,441 with confusing, fragmented images, 45 00:02:53,541 --> 00:02:56,810 which appeared to spring from the depths of her memory. 46 00:02:56,910 --> 00:03:00,147 [gasp] Oh my god! 47 00:03:00,248 --> 00:03:04,418 I had this image like a mummy was the only thing 48 00:03:04,518 --> 00:03:05,653 I could liken it to. 49 00:03:08,322 --> 00:03:11,091 It was so terrifying and so frightening. 50 00:03:13,827 --> 00:03:19,300 And I became so petrified by it. 51 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,003 I didn't know what was happening. 52 00:03:23,103 --> 00:03:27,941 I didn't understand what was going on. 53 00:03:28,041 --> 00:03:30,911 The human mind is a vast, uncharted universe. 54 00:03:31,011 --> 00:03:34,782 The thoughts, and moments, and memories lurk randomly. 55 00:03:34,882 --> 00:03:36,984 For 10 years, Miriam has been piecing together 56 00:03:37,084 --> 00:03:40,120 the events of her childhood attempting to understand 57 00:03:40,220 --> 00:03:42,690 what is real and what is not. 58 00:03:42,790 --> 00:03:45,659 Wondering if things happened as she remembers them. 59 00:03:45,759 --> 00:03:48,462 Her doctors are convinced they did. 60 00:03:48,562 --> 00:03:50,964 In any case, Miriam has now embarked 61 00:03:51,064 --> 00:03:53,233 on a search for two people whom she recalls 62 00:03:53,334 --> 00:03:55,536 with love and compassion. 63 00:03:58,972 --> 00:04:03,311 NARRATOR: Miriam's journey into her past began in 1983. 64 00:04:03,411 --> 00:04:06,347 Once her disconnected memories started to break through, 65 00:04:06,447 --> 00:04:10,584 they simply refused to go away. 66 00:04:10,684 --> 00:04:13,887 I found myself getting up at night, 67 00:04:13,987 --> 00:04:17,925 and sitting on the floor in the bathroom. 68 00:04:18,025 --> 00:04:23,063 And all of these memories started coming back 69 00:04:23,163 --> 00:04:27,701 of my father attacking me, of my father 70 00:04:27,801 --> 00:04:31,271 being subdued by the police. 71 00:04:31,372 --> 00:04:33,741 I really allowed the images. 72 00:04:33,841 --> 00:04:35,275 I worked at it. 73 00:04:35,376 --> 00:04:37,878 I let them come, and I tried to figure out what I was seeing 74 00:04:37,978 --> 00:04:40,681 and try to understand what was happening to me. 75 00:04:40,781 --> 00:04:44,518 What would happen is that she began to become subject to what 76 00:04:44,618 --> 00:04:46,286 she called flashbacks. 77 00:04:46,387 --> 00:04:50,223 These would be images that would suddenly come out of nowhere, 78 00:04:50,324 --> 00:04:52,860 and grab her in such a way that she 79 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,796 would just be paralyzed for the instant that it occurred. 80 00:04:55,896 --> 00:04:57,164 I don't I just-- 81 00:04:57,264 --> 00:05:00,167 Those flashbacks indicated that there was a certain amount 82 00:05:00,267 --> 00:05:03,937 of abuse that went on very early in life 83 00:05:04,037 --> 00:05:06,607 that she did not have a handle on. 84 00:05:06,707 --> 00:05:08,509 And there was a big part of her that they 85 00:05:08,609 --> 00:05:09,843 did not want to deal with it. 86 00:05:09,943 --> 00:05:12,112 You're not gonna like me. 87 00:05:12,212 --> 00:05:17,017 I only remembered good things about my father. 88 00:05:17,117 --> 00:05:24,625 And to suddenly have a whole new side of him revealed to me 89 00:05:24,725 --> 00:05:26,026 was a terrible shock. 90 00:05:26,126 --> 00:05:31,965 And I remember saying in therapy I don't want this to be true. 91 00:05:32,065 --> 00:05:35,302 I don't want to believe this about my father. 92 00:05:35,403 --> 00:05:38,772 NARRATOR: Miriam was an only child. 93 00:05:38,872 --> 00:05:41,609 Her father, Harry, died in 1984, two years 94 00:05:41,709 --> 00:05:44,678 into Miriam's psychotherapy. 95 00:05:44,778 --> 00:05:47,448 Although he had often exhibited erratic behavior, 96 00:05:47,548 --> 00:05:52,185 Miriam's conscious memories of him had always been happy ones. 97 00:05:52,285 --> 00:05:55,322 Now, however, the years between her third and fifth birthdays 98 00:05:55,423 --> 00:05:58,291 began to haunt her. 99 00:05:58,392 --> 00:06:00,928 At the time, Miriam lived with her mother and father 100 00:06:01,028 --> 00:06:02,496 in Miami Beach. 101 00:06:02,596 --> 00:06:05,065 The detail recreations you are about to see 102 00:06:05,165 --> 00:06:07,234 are based solely on Miriam's memories. 103 00:06:07,334 --> 00:06:08,702 I won't need a ride, honey. 104 00:06:08,802 --> 00:06:10,137 Jane's gonna pick me up. 105 00:06:10,237 --> 00:06:12,072 All right. 106 00:06:12,172 --> 00:06:14,007 I'll see you later Miriam. 107 00:06:14,107 --> 00:06:16,910 Bye. 108 00:06:17,010 --> 00:06:19,312 Can I have that coconut? 109 00:06:19,413 --> 00:06:21,882 I don't see why not. 110 00:06:21,982 --> 00:06:24,284 Honey, I don't think that coconut's ripe yet. 111 00:06:24,384 --> 00:06:25,786 Honey, what are you talking about? 112 00:06:25,886 --> 00:06:27,788 A coconut is ripe when it falls off the tree. 113 00:06:27,888 --> 00:06:30,190 It's fine. 114 00:06:30,290 --> 00:06:31,725 Miriam, would you rather have some crackers? 115 00:06:31,825 --> 00:06:33,661 Crackers? She said she wanted a coconut. 116 00:06:33,761 --> 00:06:35,463 What is the big deal? 117 00:06:35,563 --> 00:06:39,366 Oh, not with that knife. 118 00:06:39,467 --> 00:06:42,102 So now your mommy's an expert on coconuts, huh? 119 00:06:54,081 --> 00:06:56,817 [crashing] 120 00:06:56,917 --> 00:06:58,185 Why are you looking at me like that, huh? 121 00:06:58,285 --> 00:07:00,020 I remembered that he grabbed me. 122 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:00,988 What's the matter with you? 123 00:07:01,088 --> 00:07:03,123 And my father was attacking me. 124 00:07:03,223 --> 00:07:04,391 What's the matter with you! 125 00:07:04,492 --> 00:07:09,129 And somehow, I guess, I kicked him enough to hurt him. 126 00:07:09,229 --> 00:07:13,366 And he put me down, or dropped me, or whatever. 127 00:07:13,467 --> 00:07:18,038 And I ran and wanted to hide from him. 128 00:07:18,138 --> 00:07:20,741 I remember watching from a hiding place 129 00:07:20,841 --> 00:07:22,476 where he finally left me alone. 130 00:07:22,576 --> 00:07:23,511 Here doggy, doggy. 131 00:07:23,611 --> 00:07:24,411 Come on, boy. 132 00:07:24,512 --> 00:07:25,378 Come on. 133 00:07:25,479 --> 00:07:28,482 He was calling me a dog and a cat. 134 00:07:28,582 --> 00:07:30,150 He was calling me an animal. 135 00:07:30,250 --> 00:07:31,752 I mean, he didn't know it was me anyone. 136 00:07:36,857 --> 00:07:40,093 And somehow, policemen were there. 137 00:07:40,193 --> 00:07:42,195 My father, I mean, he was ranting. 138 00:07:42,295 --> 00:07:44,264 He had no idea there was anybody there. 139 00:07:44,364 --> 00:07:46,199 [yelling] 140 00:07:46,299 --> 00:07:48,068 NARRATOR: Miriam says that she remembers 141 00:07:48,168 --> 00:07:50,103 hospital orderlies with the policeman 142 00:07:50,203 --> 00:07:52,105 trying to subdue her father. 143 00:07:52,205 --> 00:07:54,041 She assumes they were called by her mother. 144 00:07:56,810 --> 00:07:59,246 I was terrified beyond anything 145 00:07:59,346 --> 00:08:02,115 I can possibly relate to you. 146 00:08:02,215 --> 00:08:04,652 I don't know how to tell you the terror that I felt. 147 00:08:04,752 --> 00:08:05,953 Get you some ice cream and-- 148 00:08:06,053 --> 00:08:07,187 NARRATOR: Miriam has come to believe 149 00:08:07,287 --> 00:08:09,690 that her father suffered from severe mental illness. 150 00:08:09,790 --> 00:08:11,058 You'll be fine. 151 00:08:11,158 --> 00:08:13,326 NARRATOR: She now feels certain that while her mother tried 152 00:08:13,426 --> 00:08:15,996 to cope, Miriam herself was taken away. 153 00:08:21,268 --> 00:08:23,503 When I started having these flashbacks, 154 00:08:23,604 --> 00:08:26,840 I started thinking about mommy and daddy. 155 00:08:26,940 --> 00:08:31,011 And the images that went with my parents 156 00:08:31,111 --> 00:08:32,980 weren't the images that were popping in my mind. 157 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,683 And I didn't know who these people were. 158 00:08:35,783 --> 00:08:40,220 I suddenly realized they were people in my life 159 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,255 that were important to me. 160 00:08:42,355 --> 00:08:45,092 And I didn't know who they were. 161 00:08:45,192 --> 00:08:47,928 I brought you something to eat. 162 00:08:48,028 --> 00:08:49,997 You're really afraid. 163 00:08:50,097 --> 00:08:51,298 It's all right. 164 00:08:51,398 --> 00:08:56,469 I remember I was absolutely frightened out of my mind. 165 00:08:59,673 --> 00:09:04,745 Slowly, I realized that this was a safe place. 166 00:09:04,845 --> 00:09:07,247 That these people were kind. 167 00:09:07,347 --> 00:09:10,150 And they weren't going to hurt me. 168 00:09:10,250 --> 00:09:12,586 And they were loving. 169 00:09:12,686 --> 00:09:15,589 And I was very happy there. 170 00:09:15,689 --> 00:09:17,224 What are you coloring, sweetheart? 171 00:09:17,324 --> 00:09:20,027 It's the stars and the moon. 172 00:09:20,127 --> 00:09:22,262 NARRATOR: As the gates of repressed memory opened, 173 00:09:22,362 --> 00:09:24,097 Miriam began to believe she had once been 174 00:09:24,197 --> 00:09:26,133 placed with foster parents. 175 00:09:26,233 --> 00:09:30,437 She was inundated with images of warmth and love. 176 00:09:30,537 --> 00:09:33,440 My foster father had white hair. 177 00:09:33,540 --> 00:09:34,742 And he was a young man. 178 00:09:34,842 --> 00:09:36,677 It was very striking. 179 00:09:36,777 --> 00:09:39,212 I remember his hands. 180 00:09:39,312 --> 00:09:46,553 I remember that they were strong and powerful hands 181 00:09:46,654 --> 00:09:48,588 that made me feel very safe. 182 00:09:48,689 --> 00:09:50,023 Bye. 183 00:09:50,123 --> 00:09:50,958 See you later. 184 00:09:51,058 --> 00:09:52,292 OK. 185 00:09:52,392 --> 00:09:54,594 NARRATOR: Miriam believes she called her foster parents 186 00:09:54,695 --> 00:09:56,496 mommy Pat and daddy Mike. 187 00:09:56,596 --> 00:09:57,497 Bye! 188 00:09:57,597 --> 00:09:59,800 NARRATOR: Mike was a fireman. 189 00:09:59,900 --> 00:10:02,135 And Pat sang her to sleep with Irish lullabies. 190 00:10:02,235 --> 00:10:03,570 [singing in irish] 191 00:10:07,975 --> 00:10:12,479 I remember a song called Too Ra Loo Ra Loo Ra. 192 00:10:12,579 --> 00:10:14,982 All my life, I've known this lullaby was sung to me. 193 00:10:15,082 --> 00:10:17,718 [singing] Don't you cry. 194 00:10:17,818 --> 00:10:20,688 I just remember being hugged, and kissed, 195 00:10:20,788 --> 00:10:23,323 and just playing with mommy Pat's 196 00:10:23,423 --> 00:10:27,127 ringlets, and the overwhelming sense of being loved. 197 00:10:27,227 --> 00:10:31,064 [singing] Too ra loo ra loo ra. 198 00:10:31,164 --> 00:10:36,069 They thought I was the most wonderful child in the world. 199 00:10:36,169 --> 00:10:38,939 And I really delighted in that. 200 00:10:39,039 --> 00:10:41,675 We have to talk to you. 201 00:10:41,775 --> 00:10:44,144 There's some people who think it might be better-- 202 00:10:44,244 --> 00:10:45,879 NARRATOR: But unhappy memories soon intruded. 203 00:10:45,979 --> 00:10:47,214 --if we didn't live together anymore. 204 00:10:47,314 --> 00:10:49,917 NARRATOR: First, a serious discussion with Mike and Pat. 205 00:10:50,017 --> 00:10:53,053 Miriam sensed that she was about to lose them. 206 00:10:53,153 --> 00:10:56,156 Baby, what's important is that we love you. 207 00:10:56,256 --> 00:10:59,092 We'll always love you. 208 00:10:59,192 --> 00:11:01,995 Always love you. 209 00:11:02,095 --> 00:11:03,964 [gavel banging] 210 00:11:04,064 --> 00:11:06,767 After hearing the testimony of all the parties-- 211 00:11:06,867 --> 00:11:08,802 NARRATOR: Miriam then saw herself in a courtroom 212 00:11:08,902 --> 00:11:10,804 sitting with a social worker. 213 00:11:10,904 --> 00:11:14,674 Her real parents, as well as Pat and Mike, were also there. 214 00:11:14,775 --> 00:11:16,643 Clearly, Miriam Parten's foster parents 215 00:11:16,744 --> 00:11:20,781 have provided a good home during a difficult period. 216 00:11:20,881 --> 00:11:23,583 However, in cases like this, we must 217 00:11:23,683 --> 00:11:28,055 consider first and foremost the best interest of the child. 218 00:11:28,155 --> 00:11:31,759 Since the original reasons for placement in the foster home 219 00:11:31,859 --> 00:11:36,229 no longer exist, it's the decision of this court 220 00:11:36,329 --> 00:11:40,233 that Miriam Parten be returned to the physical custody 221 00:11:40,333 --> 00:11:42,669 of her natural parents. 222 00:11:42,770 --> 00:11:43,871 [gavel bang] 223 00:11:43,971 --> 00:11:44,772 Court is adjourned. 224 00:11:44,872 --> 00:11:46,173 I'm so sorry. 225 00:11:49,109 --> 00:11:54,014 I was very, very distraught. 226 00:11:54,114 --> 00:11:57,317 I did not want to leave them. 227 00:11:57,417 --> 00:11:58,819 [crying] 228 00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:01,654 As far as I was concerned, these were 229 00:12:01,755 --> 00:12:04,758 the people I wanted to spend the rest of my life with. 230 00:12:04,858 --> 00:12:06,193 [crying] 231 00:12:15,869 --> 00:12:21,108 I really didn't remember about that kiss for a very long time. 232 00:12:21,208 --> 00:12:25,879 Actually, it didn't come until almost the very, very 233 00:12:25,979 --> 00:12:27,247 end of all my memories. 234 00:12:27,347 --> 00:12:30,083 In fact, that was probably one of the very last flashbacks 235 00:12:30,183 --> 00:12:31,584 I had. 236 00:12:31,684 --> 00:12:39,626 And until I had that memory, I really felt at a loss. 237 00:12:39,726 --> 00:12:48,836 And somehow, that I love you that came across in that kiss 238 00:12:48,936 --> 00:12:54,274 has been enough for me to make peace with the loss, 239 00:12:54,374 --> 00:12:56,844 and to go on with my life, and just keep their memory 240 00:12:56,944 --> 00:13:00,213 in my soul and in my heart. 241 00:13:00,313 --> 00:13:02,415 NARRATOR: Miriam lived with her natural parents 242 00:13:02,515 --> 00:13:05,118 until she married at the age of 21. 243 00:13:05,218 --> 00:13:10,690 At the age of 47, she began her search for Mike and Pat. 244 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:13,626 Their names were Pat and Mike. 245 00:13:13,726 --> 00:13:16,964 And I think their last name was McGuire. 246 00:13:17,064 --> 00:13:19,933 NARRATOR: According to Miriam, her mother admits that Miriam's 247 00:13:20,033 --> 00:13:22,569 father had emotional problems and that life was often 248 00:13:22,669 --> 00:13:26,306 difficult. However, Miriam says her mother denies that she was 249 00:13:26,406 --> 00:13:29,877 ever placed in foster care, which has prompted suggestions 250 00:13:29,977 --> 00:13:33,146 that Miriam might suffer from false memory syndrome 251 00:13:33,246 --> 00:13:37,450 and that Mike and Pat might never have existed. 252 00:13:37,550 --> 00:13:40,653 The question of whether all of this is made up certainly 253 00:13:40,753 --> 00:13:42,789 arises because it's hard to believe 254 00:13:42,890 --> 00:13:44,424 that people could be this way. 255 00:13:44,524 --> 00:13:45,325 All right. 256 00:13:45,425 --> 00:13:46,526 [sigh] 257 00:13:46,626 --> 00:13:49,496 But I can't help but believe that this 258 00:13:49,596 --> 00:13:50,563 is the absolute truth. 259 00:13:53,500 --> 00:13:57,037 There may be a certain amount of condensation and distortion 260 00:13:57,137 --> 00:13:58,271 around the edges. 261 00:13:58,371 --> 00:14:01,274 But essentially, I think that the story is accurate, 262 00:14:01,374 --> 00:14:03,877 and it was relayed in a truthful manner, 263 00:14:03,977 --> 00:14:06,546 especially since all during the relation 264 00:14:06,646 --> 00:14:11,184 of this tale Miriam was wanting to get out of the treatment. 265 00:14:11,284 --> 00:14:17,557 Her emotional reactions to the pieces and to the whole 266 00:14:17,657 --> 00:14:21,728 were consistent with a real event and not with a fantasy. 267 00:14:25,933 --> 00:14:31,338 And repeated flashbacks, we got the beautiful picture of 268 00:14:31,438 --> 00:14:36,676 these marvelous foster parents. 269 00:14:36,776 --> 00:14:41,481 And without these months with two loving parents, 270 00:14:41,581 --> 00:14:42,849 she might not have survived. 271 00:14:46,719 --> 00:14:49,322 They gave me a lot. 272 00:14:49,422 --> 00:14:53,961 They saved me from despair. 273 00:14:54,061 --> 00:14:59,366 And I would like them to know that there was a good outcome. 274 00:14:59,466 --> 00:15:03,903 I just pray that their lives are wonderful 275 00:15:04,004 --> 00:15:06,173 and that they've had happiness. 276 00:15:06,273 --> 00:15:10,610 And I hope that I'll get a chance to be reunited with them 277 00:15:10,710 --> 00:15:13,446 and share with them the good things that I have in my life. 278 00:15:17,484 --> 00:15:19,719 Miriam believes that she lived with her foster parents 279 00:15:19,819 --> 00:15:23,256 in 1945 or 1946 when she was between three 280 00:15:23,356 --> 00:15:25,058 and four years old. 281 00:15:25,158 --> 00:15:27,727 She remembers their last name as McGuire. 282 00:15:27,827 --> 00:15:29,396 Neither records of a court hearing 283 00:15:29,496 --> 00:15:32,832 or records of foster care from Miriam have been found. 284 00:15:32,932 --> 00:15:34,701 However, the Dade County clerk's office 285 00:15:34,801 --> 00:15:38,138 says this was not unusual in Florida during the period right 286 00:15:38,238 --> 00:15:39,906 after World War II. 287 00:15:40,007 --> 00:15:41,374 [music playing] 288 00:16:13,140 --> 00:16:14,874 Along the Pacific Coast, the hunt 289 00:16:14,974 --> 00:16:18,345 is on for the Jap submarine that brought the war to US soil. 290 00:16:18,445 --> 00:16:21,548 NARRATOR: In 1942, the final outcome of World War II 291 00:16:21,648 --> 00:16:23,883 was still very much in doubt. 292 00:16:23,983 --> 00:16:25,518 The United States had every reason 293 00:16:25,618 --> 00:16:30,157 to fear a Japanese invasion of it's Western shores. 294 00:16:30,257 --> 00:16:32,059 There were known to be Japanese submarines 295 00:16:32,159 --> 00:16:33,860 operating off the coast. 296 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,264 There had been an attack on an ore refinery down 297 00:16:37,364 --> 00:16:41,468 near Santa Monica, Los Angeles. 298 00:16:41,568 --> 00:16:46,073 There was a great fear that there would be more attacks. 299 00:16:46,173 --> 00:16:48,041 NARRATOR: One response to the threat 300 00:16:48,141 --> 00:16:52,279 was unusual, to say the least. 301 00:16:52,379 --> 00:16:55,848 The Navy assembled an unlikely fleet of 12 odd sized blimps 302 00:16:55,948 --> 00:16:58,085 to monitor possible enemy activity 303 00:16:58,185 --> 00:17:02,089 along the California coastline. 304 00:17:02,189 --> 00:17:05,658 The mission of airship squadron 32, though critical, 305 00:17:05,758 --> 00:17:08,128 was largely routine and uneventful 306 00:17:08,228 --> 00:17:13,933 until August 16, 1942. 307 00:17:14,033 --> 00:17:16,669 That day, an airship on its regular patrol 308 00:17:16,769 --> 00:17:18,871 made a spectacular descent and crashed 309 00:17:18,971 --> 00:17:21,441 to earth with no one on board. 310 00:17:21,541 --> 00:17:24,444 Incredibly, its two man crew had vanished. 311 00:17:24,544 --> 00:17:26,913 And no trace of them was ever found. 312 00:17:27,013 --> 00:17:30,783 The legend of the ghost blimp had been born. 313 00:17:30,883 --> 00:17:33,120 It was almost impossible for them not 314 00:17:33,220 --> 00:17:35,555 to have been seen by somebody. 315 00:17:35,655 --> 00:17:37,790 But nobody saw them go. 316 00:17:37,890 --> 00:17:39,559 Nobody saw them jump. 317 00:17:39,659 --> 00:17:42,595 And there's no relics of them at all. 318 00:17:42,695 --> 00:17:43,630 A real puzzle. 319 00:17:48,768 --> 00:17:50,803 It was, perhaps, a strangest home front incident 320 00:17:50,903 --> 00:17:53,140 of the Second World War. 321 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:54,941 So strange that many remember it as 322 00:17:55,041 --> 00:17:57,710 if it happened only yesterday. 323 00:17:57,810 --> 00:18:00,647 Throughout the entire war, airship squadron 32 324 00:18:00,747 --> 00:18:04,016 lost only the two men who disappeared on that patrol. 325 00:18:04,117 --> 00:18:07,454 50 years later, their exact fate is still unknown. 326 00:18:07,554 --> 00:18:09,722 And the mystery surrounding the ghost blimp 327 00:18:09,822 --> 00:18:12,492 remains a subject of endless fascination. 328 00:18:12,592 --> 00:18:15,162 [music playing] 329 00:18:15,262 --> 00:18:18,598 NARRATOR: Sunday, August 16th 1942, 330 00:18:18,698 --> 00:18:21,334 the flight of the ghost blimp began like hundreds of others 331 00:18:21,434 --> 00:18:22,569 had. 332 00:18:22,669 --> 00:18:26,038 Just after 6:00 AM, the blimp designated flight 101 333 00:18:26,139 --> 00:18:29,008 prepared to take off. 334 00:18:29,108 --> 00:18:30,443 The weather looks good today. 335 00:18:30,543 --> 00:18:33,313 Flight 101's pilots were 27-year-old Lieutenant 336 00:18:33,413 --> 00:18:35,648 Ernest Dewitt Cody and 34-year-old 337 00:18:35,748 --> 00:18:37,950 Ensign Charles Ellis Adams. 338 00:18:38,050 --> 00:18:40,287 Both were experienced and reliable. 339 00:18:40,387 --> 00:18:42,522 All the more reason to wonder about what 340 00:18:42,622 --> 00:18:44,757 would occur over the next five hours. 341 00:18:44,857 --> 00:18:45,658 Good. 342 00:18:45,758 --> 00:18:46,926 Good. 343 00:18:47,026 --> 00:18:48,828 Lieutenant Cody was a thoroughly experienced pilot. 344 00:18:48,928 --> 00:18:52,899 He had many, many hours in this particular type of an aircraft. 345 00:18:52,999 --> 00:18:57,704 He was called a very cool, determined if, somewhat, 346 00:18:57,804 --> 00:18:59,439 taciturn officer. 347 00:18:59,539 --> 00:19:03,543 Adams had flown in the large dirigibles 348 00:19:03,643 --> 00:19:04,877 and was thoroughly checked out. 349 00:19:04,977 --> 00:19:08,215 But he had never flown in the small blimps. 350 00:19:08,315 --> 00:19:10,583 And this was an indoctrination flight for him that Sunday 351 00:19:10,683 --> 00:19:12,219 morning. 352 00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:14,020 NARRATOR: Aviation machinist Mick 353 00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:16,823 Riley Hill was assigned to crew for Adams and Cody 354 00:19:16,923 --> 00:19:18,024 that morning. 355 00:19:18,124 --> 00:19:20,727 But just before departure, Hill was inexplicably 356 00:19:20,827 --> 00:19:23,263 ordered to leave the ship. 357 00:19:23,363 --> 00:19:24,897 No need for you to go, Riley. 358 00:19:24,997 --> 00:19:26,366 Adams and I will take it. 359 00:19:26,466 --> 00:19:27,667 Yes, sir. 360 00:19:27,767 --> 00:19:29,702 NARRATOR: Hill now believes heavy moisture in the air 361 00:19:29,802 --> 00:19:32,872 was weighing the blimp down making it unwise to take 362 00:19:32,972 --> 00:19:35,742 off with three men aboard. 363 00:19:35,842 --> 00:19:39,812 So I got out, shut the door and locked it closed, 364 00:19:39,912 --> 00:19:40,713 and they took off. 365 00:19:45,485 --> 00:19:47,053 The flight plan called for the 101 366 00:19:47,153 --> 00:19:50,457 to depart Treasure Island, pass over the Golden Gate Bridge, 367 00:19:50,557 --> 00:19:54,327 then head to the Farallon Islands 25 miles off the coast. 368 00:19:54,427 --> 00:19:57,230 From there, the patrol would continue north to Point Reyes, 369 00:19:57,330 --> 00:19:59,266 then south along the coastline. 370 00:20:03,570 --> 00:20:07,440 The first leg proceeded without incident. 371 00:20:07,540 --> 00:20:10,777 An hour and a half after takeoff, at 7:38 AM, 372 00:20:10,877 --> 00:20:12,579 Lieutenant Cody had radioed squadron 373 00:20:12,679 --> 00:20:14,447 headquarters at Moffett Field. 374 00:20:14,547 --> 00:20:17,049 Position four miles east of the Farallons. 375 00:20:17,149 --> 00:20:19,719 Stand by. 376 00:20:19,819 --> 00:20:23,956 Four minutes later, Cody called again. 377 00:20:24,056 --> 00:20:26,259 Investigating suspicious [inaudible]. 378 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,795 Stand by. 379 00:20:28,895 --> 00:20:30,597 Go 101. 380 00:20:30,697 --> 00:20:32,164 NARRATOR: Those were the last words ever 381 00:20:32,265 --> 00:20:34,767 received from flight 101. 382 00:20:34,867 --> 00:20:37,837 Go 101. 383 00:20:37,937 --> 00:20:43,543 When it came time for further explanation 384 00:20:43,643 --> 00:20:45,712 and we didn't get it, we just assumed, 385 00:20:45,812 --> 00:20:49,449 well, that was negative, and they had went on their way. 386 00:20:49,549 --> 00:20:52,018 Then, it came time for the hourly position report. 387 00:20:52,118 --> 00:20:53,653 And that didn't come in. 388 00:20:53,753 --> 00:20:55,855 And the second one didn't come in. 389 00:20:55,955 --> 00:20:58,558 And that's when we began to feel that something 390 00:20:58,658 --> 00:21:00,259 was grossly wrong. 391 00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:03,029 And we just could not believe that our radios weren't working 392 00:21:03,129 --> 00:21:05,064 because we had good radio crew. 393 00:21:05,164 --> 00:21:07,233 And the machinery was working. 394 00:21:10,136 --> 00:21:12,372 NARRATOR: After more than three hours of radio silence, 395 00:21:12,472 --> 00:21:15,442 personnel at Moffett Field grew increasingly alarmed. 396 00:21:15,542 --> 00:21:17,977 Frantic attempts to contact the blimp went unanswered. 397 00:21:18,077 --> 00:21:18,878 Any word yet? 398 00:21:18,978 --> 00:21:20,212 No, sir. 399 00:21:20,313 --> 00:21:23,483 No communications from the crew since the report at 7:42. 400 00:21:23,583 --> 00:21:25,652 I'm investigating suspicious oil slick. 401 00:21:25,752 --> 00:21:27,219 Yes, sir. 402 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,321 Flight 101-- 403 00:21:28,421 --> 00:21:30,122 NARRATOR: Finally, a message was received, 404 00:21:30,222 --> 00:21:33,092 but not from flight 101. 405 00:21:33,192 --> 00:21:34,961 MAN (ON RADIO): San Francisco shore control. 406 00:21:35,061 --> 00:21:38,064 One blimp [inaudible] crashed into the golf course. 407 00:21:38,164 --> 00:21:39,031 Just dropped the depth charge. 408 00:21:39,131 --> 00:21:41,801 Peeled it off. 409 00:21:41,901 --> 00:21:44,404 Let's get a team over there right away. 410 00:21:44,504 --> 00:21:45,572 NARRATOR: The blimp had come ashore 411 00:21:45,672 --> 00:21:47,574 just south of San Francisco. 412 00:21:47,674 --> 00:21:53,580 Flight 101 had inexplicably drifted eight miles off course. 413 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,415 There was a swimmer there, a man 414 00:21:55,515 --> 00:21:58,551 called Mr. Kapovia, who was standing 415 00:21:58,651 --> 00:22:00,387 ready to go into the water. 416 00:22:00,487 --> 00:22:03,356 And all of a sudden, he saw this huge gray mass 417 00:22:03,456 --> 00:22:04,957 just coming right at him. 418 00:22:05,057 --> 00:22:07,994 But remember, this thing is 47 feet wide. 419 00:22:08,094 --> 00:22:10,196 And it wasn't too high off the water. 420 00:22:10,296 --> 00:22:11,731 And he watched it come in. 421 00:22:11,831 --> 00:22:15,502 It dragged it's wheel along the sand at the water's edge. 422 00:22:15,602 --> 00:22:17,470 Then, hit a little sand knoll. 423 00:22:17,570 --> 00:22:19,739 It bounced up into the air, and then slid up 424 00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:21,340 a little bit of a canyon. 425 00:22:21,441 --> 00:22:25,077 And then, hit rather heavily on the side of the canyon. 426 00:22:25,177 --> 00:22:30,417 And this knocked off what turned out to be a depths charge. 427 00:22:30,517 --> 00:22:33,119 Relieved of the weight, the L8 then 428 00:22:33,219 --> 00:22:36,222 soared up into the overcast again and out 429 00:22:36,322 --> 00:22:38,190 of sight of this Mr. Kapovia. 430 00:22:38,290 --> 00:22:40,793 And began to drift inland, I guess, 431 00:22:40,893 --> 00:22:45,097 with the winds over Daly City. 432 00:22:45,197 --> 00:22:46,766 NARRATOR: The rapidly deflating blimp 433 00:22:46,866 --> 00:22:48,901 was seen by hundreds of people. 434 00:22:49,001 --> 00:22:53,305 Bunny Gillespie was 16 years old at the time. 435 00:22:53,406 --> 00:22:55,241 I was on the way home from Sunday school. 436 00:22:55,341 --> 00:23:00,947 And I saw this big, gray thing coming in over what I thought 437 00:23:01,047 --> 00:23:04,717 was going to be right over Templeton Avenue. 438 00:23:04,817 --> 00:23:07,219 When I saw this thing coming in through the sky, 439 00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:10,256 I was very surprised, as were a lot of other people 440 00:23:10,356 --> 00:23:14,927 because things like that just didn't happen in Daly City. 441 00:23:15,027 --> 00:23:17,430 NARRATOR: Flight 101 was quickly losing altitude 442 00:23:17,530 --> 00:23:19,799 and in danger of becoming entangled in power lines. 443 00:23:22,769 --> 00:23:25,337 The blimp was on a collision course with the steep hills 444 00:23:25,438 --> 00:23:26,238 in Daly City. 445 00:23:29,141 --> 00:23:34,046 One woman's house almost became the point of impact. 446 00:23:34,146 --> 00:23:35,948 It was a Mrs. Appleton. 447 00:23:36,048 --> 00:23:39,486 She said that, all of a sudden, this huge behemoth 448 00:23:39,586 --> 00:23:42,822 had settled and scraped across the top of her roof. 449 00:23:42,922 --> 00:23:47,126 And she said it sounded like chains dragging. 450 00:23:47,226 --> 00:23:50,530 But the entire house was blacked out because 451 00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:52,632 of the size of this thing. 452 00:23:52,732 --> 00:23:54,567 And she raced to the front window 453 00:23:54,667 --> 00:23:56,368 wondering what in the world was going on. 454 00:23:56,469 --> 00:24:00,239 And she saw the rest of the gondola hit the cross arm, 455 00:24:00,339 --> 00:24:04,343 break off part of the mechanism there, 456 00:24:04,443 --> 00:24:07,179 and gradually settle down to the ground. 457 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:09,782 I missed the actual landing of the thing. 458 00:24:09,882 --> 00:24:11,317 But when I got there, it was just 459 00:24:11,417 --> 00:24:14,153 like a great, big, gray monster with the gondola 460 00:24:14,253 --> 00:24:17,389 jutting up towards the tops of the houses. 461 00:24:17,490 --> 00:24:19,926 It was huge. 462 00:24:20,026 --> 00:24:21,193 NARRATOR: Miraculously, no one was 463 00:24:21,293 --> 00:24:22,662 injured as the blimp came to rest 464 00:24:22,762 --> 00:24:25,798 in the middle of the street. 465 00:24:25,898 --> 00:24:30,136 Almost immediately, Daly City officials were on the scene. 466 00:24:30,236 --> 00:24:32,038 When Navy personnel arrived, they 467 00:24:32,138 --> 00:24:34,841 were stunned to discover that there was no sign of Lieutenant 468 00:24:34,941 --> 00:24:38,144 Cody or Ensign Adams. 469 00:24:38,244 --> 00:24:40,947 Apparently, the blimp had piloted itself straight 470 00:24:41,047 --> 00:24:42,549 into downtown Daly City. 471 00:24:47,687 --> 00:24:51,924 A search of the gondola left investigators perplexed. 472 00:24:52,024 --> 00:24:54,160 The door was latched open, a highly 473 00:24:54,260 --> 00:24:56,596 unusual in-flight position. 474 00:24:56,696 --> 00:24:59,431 The safety bar, normally used to block the doorway, 475 00:24:59,532 --> 00:25:03,002 was no longer in place. 476 00:25:03,102 --> 00:25:05,705 A microphone hooked to an external loud speaker 477 00:25:05,805 --> 00:25:08,474 dangled out of the gondola. 478 00:25:08,575 --> 00:25:12,612 The ignition switches were still on. 479 00:25:12,712 --> 00:25:16,482 The radio was still on and working. 480 00:25:16,583 --> 00:25:19,852 Nobody had touched my fuel valves. 481 00:25:19,952 --> 00:25:24,156 They were set up just exactly the way that I'd left them. 482 00:25:24,256 --> 00:25:28,527 We still had another six hours of fuel. 483 00:25:28,628 --> 00:25:30,329 It's two life jackets out of the three 484 00:25:30,429 --> 00:25:34,266 that were normally carried aboard we're missing. 485 00:25:34,366 --> 00:25:38,771 But there was no other equipment that was gone. 486 00:25:38,871 --> 00:25:41,708 The machine gun was still there. 487 00:25:41,808 --> 00:25:43,743 The other flares, there were three other flares, 488 00:25:43,843 --> 00:25:44,877 were still there. 489 00:25:44,977 --> 00:25:50,650 The expandable life raft was there, 490 00:25:50,750 --> 00:25:52,118 and one more life jacket. 491 00:25:52,218 --> 00:25:54,954 There was nothing missing. 492 00:25:55,054 --> 00:25:58,157 NARRATOR: Lieutenant Cody's cap lay on the instrument panel. 493 00:25:58,257 --> 00:25:59,926 The missing life jackets indicated 494 00:26:00,026 --> 00:26:01,994 the crew had put them on before takeoff 495 00:26:02,094 --> 00:26:03,395 as regulations required. 496 00:26:03,495 --> 00:26:06,532 [inaudible] still here. 497 00:26:06,633 --> 00:26:08,100 NARRATOR: A locked and heavily weighted 498 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:13,606 briefcase containing top secret codes was still in place. 499 00:26:13,706 --> 00:26:15,975 It was as if Cody and Adams had opened the door 500 00:26:16,075 --> 00:26:18,177 and simply stepped out into thin air. 501 00:26:22,782 --> 00:26:25,317 The Navy investigation revealed that flight 101 502 00:26:25,417 --> 00:26:29,789 had been seen by several ships and planes between 7 and 11 AM. 503 00:26:29,889 --> 00:26:31,457 Some of the eyewitnesses reported 504 00:26:31,557 --> 00:26:35,027 being close enough to make out Cody and Adams in the gondola. 505 00:26:35,127 --> 00:26:38,931 In each instance, everything about flight 101 seemed normal. 506 00:26:42,969 --> 00:26:46,673 Speculation on the fate of the two Navy airman ran rampant. 507 00:26:46,773 --> 00:26:48,675 Some people believe that Cody and Adams 508 00:26:48,775 --> 00:26:50,710 had spotted an enemy submarine. 509 00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:52,378 When they descended to investigate, 510 00:26:52,478 --> 00:26:53,412 they were taken prisoner. 511 00:26:56,716 --> 00:26:59,285 One outrageous rumor suggested that the pilots 512 00:26:59,385 --> 00:27:02,755 were involved in a lover's triangle with an unknown woman. 513 00:27:02,855 --> 00:27:06,192 One had murdered the other in a jealous rage, the story went. 514 00:27:06,292 --> 00:27:08,728 And then, fled when the L8 reached land. 515 00:27:11,497 --> 00:27:14,734 The Navy finally settled on the most plausible theory. 516 00:27:14,834 --> 00:27:16,468 There had been an accident on board, 517 00:27:16,568 --> 00:27:19,338 perhaps, caused by a mechanical malfunction. 518 00:27:19,438 --> 00:27:22,141 Presumably, one of the men had climbed outside the gondola 519 00:27:22,241 --> 00:27:25,244 to correct the problem and had run into trouble. 520 00:27:25,344 --> 00:27:27,714 When the second man tried to come to his aide, 521 00:27:27,814 --> 00:27:28,815 both fell to their doom. 522 00:27:33,786 --> 00:27:36,923 A year later, on August 17, 1943, 523 00:27:37,023 --> 00:27:40,359 Lieutenant Ernest Dewitt Cody and Ensign Charles Ellis Adams 524 00:27:40,459 --> 00:27:42,428 were officially declared dead. 525 00:27:42,528 --> 00:27:46,565 And the mystery of flight 101 passed into legend. 526 00:27:46,665 --> 00:27:48,434 [music playing] 527 00:27:53,239 --> 00:27:55,541 After the crash, the L8 was patched up and put 528 00:27:55,641 --> 00:27:57,944 back into service by the Navy. 529 00:27:58,044 --> 00:28:00,713 Ultimately, the blimp became part of the Goodyear fleet. 530 00:28:00,813 --> 00:28:03,415 And during the 1960s and 70s, it was seen 531 00:28:03,515 --> 00:28:05,818 by millions of sporting events. 532 00:28:05,918 --> 00:28:08,687 Few of them had any idea that the stately craft circling 533 00:28:08,788 --> 00:28:11,357 overhead was a fabled ghost blimp. 534 00:28:14,861 --> 00:28:16,863 NARRATOR: Next, a respected community leader 535 00:28:16,963 --> 00:28:20,299 goes into hiding after he is convicted of statutory rape 536 00:28:20,399 --> 00:28:25,872 and sexual assault. 537 00:28:25,972 --> 00:28:27,373 [theme music] 538 00:28:31,443 --> 00:28:33,712 Perhaps, the most disturbing crimes are those that 539 00:28:33,813 --> 00:28:36,615 betray the trust of children. 540 00:28:36,715 --> 00:28:40,452 In 1981, a group of teenage girls in Danbury, Connecticut 541 00:28:40,552 --> 00:28:43,790 were betrayed by a respected community leader. 542 00:28:43,890 --> 00:28:45,758 Reggie Depalma was a 12 year veteran 543 00:28:45,858 --> 00:28:48,127 of the Danbury Fire Department and adviser 544 00:28:48,227 --> 00:28:51,030 to a local explorer scout post. 545 00:28:51,130 --> 00:28:53,332 But behind that facade of respectability, 546 00:28:53,432 --> 00:28:57,703 DePalma was a time bomb just waiting to explode. 547 00:28:57,804 --> 00:28:58,771 Boyfriend [inaudible]. 548 00:28:58,871 --> 00:29:00,106 No, we're not boyfriend and girlfriend. 549 00:29:00,206 --> 00:29:01,040 No? No? 550 00:29:01,140 --> 00:29:03,442 NARRATOR: In 1978, Reggie DePalma 551 00:29:03,542 --> 00:29:06,212 had organized the explorer post in affiliation 552 00:29:06,312 --> 00:29:08,047 with the fire department. 553 00:29:08,147 --> 00:29:09,615 You guys want to, uh, go get the mats for me? 554 00:29:09,715 --> 00:29:11,818 NARRATOR: His girlfriend, Connie, was co-leader. 555 00:29:11,918 --> 00:29:14,353 And the group quickly became a popular after school activity. 556 00:29:14,453 --> 00:29:15,387 Yeah, that'd be really great. 557 00:29:15,487 --> 00:29:16,288 Oh, that would be great. 558 00:29:16,388 --> 00:29:17,389 Yeah-- 559 00:29:17,489 --> 00:29:19,291 When I first joined the troop, my impression 560 00:29:19,391 --> 00:29:23,729 of Reggie and Connie were that they were very nice people. 561 00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:25,965 So it was just never even a question 562 00:29:26,065 --> 00:29:28,300 that you would not trust them with anything. 563 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,303 I mean, you just tell them confidential things. 564 00:29:31,403 --> 00:29:32,805 And you would really feel like you 565 00:29:32,905 --> 00:29:34,373 would trust them all the time and go 566 00:29:34,473 --> 00:29:36,943 to them if you needed help. 567 00:29:37,043 --> 00:29:38,310 Should we put them here? 568 00:29:38,410 --> 00:29:39,445 Yes, put the blankets down. 569 00:29:39,545 --> 00:29:40,646 - OK. - Oh, my gosh. 570 00:29:40,746 --> 00:29:41,981 [inaudible] 571 00:29:42,081 --> 00:29:45,117 NARRATOR: By 1981, the explorer post had grown to include 572 00:29:45,217 --> 00:29:47,586 15 girls and 10 boys. 573 00:29:47,686 --> 00:29:49,788 They met at the fire station regularly 574 00:29:49,889 --> 00:29:52,491 and were drilled in lifesaving and rescue techniques. 575 00:29:52,591 --> 00:29:53,759 OK, you're going to be administering 576 00:29:53,860 --> 00:29:54,927 five pumps in the chest. 577 00:29:55,027 --> 00:29:56,462 NARRATOR: Reggie was supervisor of Dan 578 00:29:56,562 --> 00:29:57,897 Barry's ambulance service. 579 00:29:57,997 --> 00:29:59,431 And the scouts training was often 580 00:29:59,531 --> 00:30:01,800 interrupted by emergency calls. 581 00:30:01,901 --> 00:30:02,734 [emergency alarm] 582 00:30:02,835 --> 00:30:04,236 All right. It's an emergency call. 583 00:30:04,336 --> 00:30:05,371 Let's get this stuff cleared up. 584 00:30:05,471 --> 00:30:06,238 All right, guys, let's get this stuff together. 585 00:30:06,338 --> 00:30:07,373 - Out of the way. - Come on! 586 00:30:07,473 --> 00:30:08,574 Come on. 587 00:30:08,674 --> 00:30:11,077 NARRATOR: The post members idolized Reggie DePalma. 588 00:30:11,177 --> 00:30:14,213 And he soon became a virtual hero, especially to the girls. 589 00:30:14,313 --> 00:30:16,115 [sirens and alarm sounding] 590 00:30:20,953 --> 00:30:23,890 It's kind of hard to describe Reggie. 591 00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:26,225 Reggie was a lot of fun. 592 00:30:26,325 --> 00:30:28,260 Reggie and his girlfriend, Connie, 593 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,796 they were easygoing people. 594 00:30:30,897 --> 00:30:32,498 They were easy to talk to. 595 00:30:32,598 --> 00:30:37,103 If you had a problem, they really wanted you to open up 596 00:30:37,203 --> 00:30:38,971 to them and get close to them. 597 00:30:39,071 --> 00:30:44,210 And you know, they were good at getting people's trust. 598 00:30:48,147 --> 00:30:49,916 NARRATOR: In 1981, the Explorer's 599 00:30:50,016 --> 00:30:52,618 organized a Halloween haunted house to raise money 600 00:30:52,718 --> 00:30:54,954 for an upcoming camping trip. 601 00:30:55,054 --> 00:30:59,591 It was a night which would burn itself into Terry's memory. 602 00:30:59,691 --> 00:31:01,961 So you're 13 and you still don't have a boyfriend? 603 00:31:02,061 --> 00:31:03,395 Yeah. 604 00:31:03,495 --> 00:31:05,331 Have you ever gone all the way with a boy before? 605 00:31:05,431 --> 00:31:06,665 No. 606 00:31:06,765 --> 00:31:08,935 Well I'd like to teach you about that 607 00:31:09,035 --> 00:31:10,402 because I'm your friend. 608 00:31:10,502 --> 00:31:12,371 Are you my friend? 609 00:31:12,471 --> 00:31:13,805 Yeah. 610 00:31:13,906 --> 00:31:16,208 Good. 611 00:31:16,308 --> 00:31:19,345 I thought that he was concerned with me 612 00:31:19,445 --> 00:31:23,983 and, you know, how I'd handle it because we were at that age. 613 00:31:24,083 --> 00:31:28,420 And you know, I took it as, like, a fatherly concern 614 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:37,796 and something that he wanted to not be a part of but help with. 615 00:31:37,896 --> 00:31:39,731 Hey, you OK? 616 00:31:39,831 --> 00:31:41,733 Yeah, just something Reggie said. 617 00:31:41,833 --> 00:31:44,136 Connie came up to me and said, you know, 618 00:31:44,236 --> 00:31:45,137 we have to go get some things. 619 00:31:45,237 --> 00:31:46,438 Why don't you come back to the house. 620 00:31:46,538 --> 00:31:48,307 And why don't you come with me. 621 00:31:48,407 --> 00:31:52,644 And we promptly went back to the house where Reggie was waiting. 622 00:31:52,744 --> 00:31:56,482 Can't have you upset. 623 00:31:56,582 --> 00:31:58,584 OK, um, well here's the towel. 624 00:31:58,684 --> 00:31:59,986 We went back to the apartment. 625 00:32:00,086 --> 00:32:02,488 And you know, she said why don't you go shower and get 626 00:32:02,588 --> 00:32:04,190 some of this makeup off. 627 00:32:04,290 --> 00:32:05,224 So I did. 628 00:32:05,324 --> 00:32:06,258 I didn't think anything of it. 629 00:32:06,358 --> 00:32:08,560 When I came out, it all happened. 630 00:32:16,635 --> 00:32:18,037 (ON TV) Thank you. 631 00:32:18,137 --> 00:32:19,538 Thank you. Thank you you're too kind. 632 00:32:19,638 --> 00:32:20,439 Hey. 633 00:32:20,539 --> 00:32:21,540 Hey. 634 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:22,541 Come on in, honey. 635 00:32:22,641 --> 00:32:24,443 Yeah, we're just watching some TV. 636 00:32:24,543 --> 00:32:26,012 NARRATOR: That night, Reggie forced 637 00:32:26,112 --> 00:32:28,914 Terry to have sexual intercourse while Connie watched. 638 00:32:32,818 --> 00:32:36,155 Tragically, Terri was not Reggie DePalma's first victim, 639 00:32:36,255 --> 00:32:37,589 nor would she be his last. 640 00:32:40,526 --> 00:32:42,428 I was 13 years old. 641 00:32:42,528 --> 00:32:47,866 And I did not go immediately to my parents or the authorities 642 00:32:47,966 --> 00:32:49,868 because, at that age, I don't think 643 00:32:49,968 --> 00:32:53,005 that you have any understanding even what's going on. 644 00:32:53,105 --> 00:32:55,607 You just feel a terrible amount of humiliation, 645 00:32:55,707 --> 00:32:59,545 of guilt. What did I do wrong to cause this to happen? 646 00:32:59,645 --> 00:33:01,113 I don't know what to do. 647 00:33:01,213 --> 00:33:02,414 I can't believe he did it to you too. 648 00:33:02,514 --> 00:33:04,450 NARRATOR: Over the next year, Reggie Depalma 649 00:33:04,550 --> 00:33:08,687 continued to sexually abuse girls in the Explorer post. 650 00:33:08,787 --> 00:33:11,090 Finally, they began to confide in one another. 651 00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:14,593 Are you guys gonna go back, I mean, if he asks you? 652 00:33:14,693 --> 00:33:19,165 I've been back, but I can't go back anymore. 653 00:33:19,265 --> 00:33:21,500 One of the girls had gotten upset about something 654 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:22,568 and started talking. 655 00:33:22,668 --> 00:33:24,436 And it just started snowballing because 656 00:33:24,536 --> 00:33:26,905 as soon as she said something, then the next person. 657 00:33:27,005 --> 00:33:28,840 And everybody started coming forth. 658 00:33:28,940 --> 00:33:30,509 And then, we all realized that we weren't alone. 659 00:33:30,609 --> 00:33:32,944 That we were all in this group together and that, together, 660 00:33:33,045 --> 00:33:34,613 we could try to stop this. 661 00:33:34,713 --> 00:33:37,516 We have to tell somebody. 662 00:33:37,616 --> 00:33:38,650 OK. 663 00:33:38,750 --> 00:33:40,952 Are you gonna do it? 664 00:33:41,053 --> 00:33:42,154 We'll go with you if you want. 665 00:33:42,254 --> 00:33:43,055 Yeah. 666 00:33:43,155 --> 00:33:44,190 Will you tell ? 667 00:33:44,290 --> 00:33:45,091 Yeah. 668 00:33:45,191 --> 00:33:48,560 I'll, I'll tell my mom. 669 00:33:48,660 --> 00:33:49,461 OK. 670 00:33:53,399 --> 00:33:56,034 One of the girls mothers came to the police station 671 00:33:56,135 --> 00:33:59,271 to report what her daughter had told her. 672 00:33:59,371 --> 00:34:03,642 So Detective Benjamin and I were assigned to investigate this. 673 00:34:03,742 --> 00:34:05,777 And I spoke with all the girls involved. 674 00:34:05,877 --> 00:34:08,147 And he spoke with all the boys. 675 00:34:08,247 --> 00:34:12,284 At that point, you know, I was still very young in high school 676 00:34:12,384 --> 00:34:13,352 trying to deal with all this. 677 00:34:13,452 --> 00:34:15,554 It was not an easy thing to just discuss 678 00:34:15,654 --> 00:34:17,956 with someone to tell them. 679 00:34:18,056 --> 00:34:19,191 She was very supportive. 680 00:34:19,291 --> 00:34:22,361 She was very nice and helped me through it a lot. 681 00:34:22,461 --> 00:34:26,198 So what I need to know is, did you ever have, um, occasion 682 00:34:26,298 --> 00:34:29,935 to be alone with Reggie? 683 00:34:30,035 --> 00:34:32,438 Um, yeah. 684 00:34:32,538 --> 00:34:35,474 There was one time when I was at his apartment. 685 00:34:35,574 --> 00:34:36,742 OK. 686 00:34:36,842 --> 00:34:40,479 So, um, what happened once you got to the apartment? 687 00:34:40,579 --> 00:34:42,814 He gave me some wine. 688 00:34:42,914 --> 00:34:44,150 Uh huh. 689 00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:48,520 And um, how much wine did you have? 690 00:34:48,620 --> 00:34:49,421 Three glasses. 691 00:34:49,521 --> 00:34:50,522 Three glasses of wine? 692 00:34:50,622 --> 00:34:51,423 Three. 693 00:34:51,523 --> 00:34:53,592 OK. 694 00:34:53,692 --> 00:34:56,628 Right off the bat, when I heard 695 00:34:56,728 --> 00:35:01,300 the stories that these girls told, I felt, myself, betrayed. 696 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,436 And I don't even know Reggie. 697 00:35:04,536 --> 00:35:10,342 These girls were so devastated over what had happened 698 00:35:10,442 --> 00:35:12,611 to them that I had nightmares. 699 00:35:12,711 --> 00:35:14,713 Went to his bedroom. 700 00:35:14,813 --> 00:35:17,916 The details of what they were telling me 701 00:35:18,016 --> 00:35:20,852 made me feel such rage towards this man. 702 00:35:20,952 --> 00:35:22,754 [inaudible] into the bedroom? 703 00:35:22,854 --> 00:35:24,856 I had to get him arrested as soon as possible. 704 00:35:27,493 --> 00:35:29,094 Why don't you just tell me what's going on, Russ? 705 00:35:29,195 --> 00:35:32,498 Five counts of child molestation, Reggie. 706 00:35:32,598 --> 00:35:34,800 You have the right to remain silent. 707 00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:35,767 You understand? 708 00:35:35,867 --> 00:35:36,935 Yeah. 709 00:35:37,035 --> 00:35:38,337 You have a right to an attorney. 710 00:35:38,437 --> 00:35:39,471 You understand? 711 00:35:39,571 --> 00:35:41,240 If you waive that right, anything you say or do 712 00:35:41,340 --> 00:35:43,008 will be used against you in a court of law. 713 00:35:43,108 --> 00:35:44,776 You understand? - Yeah 714 00:35:44,876 --> 00:35:46,745 NARRATOR: On the same day Reggie was arrested, 715 00:35:46,845 --> 00:35:50,316 his girlfriend, Connie, was questioned. 716 00:35:50,416 --> 00:35:52,017 She believed in him so much, she would 717 00:35:52,117 --> 00:35:53,285 have done anything for him. 718 00:35:56,121 --> 00:35:59,325 And she felt so insecure about their relationship 719 00:35:59,425 --> 00:36:03,695 that she even went this far to do these things 720 00:36:03,795 --> 00:36:07,533 with these girls for Reggie. 721 00:36:07,633 --> 00:36:09,067 Uh, ladies and gentlemen, I just 722 00:36:09,167 --> 00:36:10,502 have one more set of questions I'd like 723 00:36:10,602 --> 00:36:11,637 to ask Terry [inaudible]. 724 00:36:11,737 --> 00:36:13,605 NARRATOR: Just over a year after his arrest, 725 00:36:13,705 --> 00:36:16,141 Roger DePalma went to trial on nine counts, 726 00:36:16,242 --> 00:36:18,744 including two counts of statutory rape 727 00:36:18,844 --> 00:36:21,447 and five counts of risking injury to a minor. 728 00:36:21,547 --> 00:36:26,285 Why on this terrible night you didn't tell someone about 729 00:36:26,385 --> 00:36:27,986 what happened? 730 00:36:28,086 --> 00:36:31,022 Why, particularly, you didn't tell your parents. 731 00:36:31,122 --> 00:36:34,926 I thought, um, I thought that they would think less of me. 732 00:36:35,026 --> 00:36:39,064 And that, maybe, it was my fault too. 733 00:36:39,164 --> 00:36:42,668 And Reggie had told me not to tell anybody. 734 00:36:42,768 --> 00:36:43,869 Reggie told you not to-- 735 00:36:43,969 --> 00:36:46,938 Reggie DePalma, the first day during the trial, 736 00:36:47,038 --> 00:36:48,707 it was obvious that he did not believe 737 00:36:48,807 --> 00:36:52,844 the girls had the courage to testify against him. 738 00:36:52,944 --> 00:36:55,914 He felt he still had sufficient sway over them 739 00:36:56,014 --> 00:36:59,418 that they would crumble on the witness stand. 740 00:36:59,518 --> 00:37:02,488 After the first witness was able to testify 741 00:37:02,588 --> 00:37:07,125 against him, certainly then his confidence had to waver. 742 00:37:07,225 --> 00:37:10,061 And of course, after a third girl had testified, 743 00:37:10,161 --> 00:37:11,830 he must have decided that he would 744 00:37:11,930 --> 00:37:14,366 be better in parts unknown. 745 00:37:20,606 --> 00:37:22,240 NARRATOR: After the fifth day of the trial, 746 00:37:22,341 --> 00:37:24,343 Reggie DePalma who was out on bail, 747 00:37:24,443 --> 00:37:26,745 left Danbury to visit his mother. 748 00:37:26,845 --> 00:37:28,514 She was hospitalized at New Haven, 749 00:37:28,614 --> 00:37:31,917 Connecticut, 38 miles away. 750 00:37:32,017 --> 00:37:34,720 Although his car was found in the hospital parking lot, 751 00:37:34,820 --> 00:37:37,656 DePalma never showed up in his mother's room. 752 00:37:37,756 --> 00:37:42,227 A fugitive warrant was issued for his arrest. 753 00:37:42,328 --> 00:37:44,129 The trial continued without him. 754 00:37:44,229 --> 00:37:47,866 And on October 25, 1983, Reginald DePalma 755 00:37:47,966 --> 00:37:51,570 was convicted on seven counts and sentenced in absentia 756 00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:54,373 to 21 years in prison. 757 00:37:54,473 --> 00:37:56,308 He is still at large and has never served 758 00:37:56,408 --> 00:37:59,077 a single day behind bars. 759 00:37:59,177 --> 00:38:00,812 His victims are now adults. 760 00:38:00,912 --> 00:38:05,451 But the Chilling effects of abuse linger. 761 00:38:05,551 --> 00:38:08,754 There are times when I'll psych myself out, 762 00:38:08,854 --> 00:38:12,624 like if I'm leaving work late or, when I was in college, 763 00:38:12,724 --> 00:38:15,394 if I was walking back to the dorms or something late at 764 00:38:15,494 --> 00:38:19,798 night that it was, like, you know, he's out there somewhere. 765 00:38:19,898 --> 00:38:22,768 You know, he could be watching me right now. 766 00:38:22,868 --> 00:38:24,636 When I think about the fact that he's still out 767 00:38:24,736 --> 00:38:27,105 there somewhere is very upsetting. 768 00:38:27,205 --> 00:38:28,607 The first, of course, to all of us. 769 00:38:28,707 --> 00:38:31,242 The injustice that we feel because he 770 00:38:31,343 --> 00:38:34,145 is not paying for the crimes that were committed. 771 00:38:34,245 --> 00:38:36,047 And then, again, the fear for other people 772 00:38:36,147 --> 00:38:37,716 out there that he could be harming 773 00:38:37,816 --> 00:38:40,285 individuals all over again, and put them 774 00:38:40,386 --> 00:38:42,187 all through this living hell. 775 00:38:42,287 --> 00:38:44,155 [music playing] 776 00:39:04,042 --> 00:39:05,877 NARRATOR: When we return, a convicted 777 00:39:05,977 --> 00:39:07,613 killer claims he is innocent. 778 00:39:07,713 --> 00:39:09,748 And at least one prosecutor believes 779 00:39:09,848 --> 00:39:12,718 he is telling the truth. 780 00:39:12,818 --> 00:39:14,720 [theme music] 781 00:39:30,736 --> 00:39:31,837 NARRATOR: In the past, we presented 782 00:39:31,937 --> 00:39:34,072 a number of final appeal cases. 783 00:39:34,172 --> 00:39:36,975 Dramatic profiles of men and women who claim they 784 00:39:37,075 --> 00:39:40,846 have been wrongfully convicted of a crime. 785 00:39:40,946 --> 00:39:43,214 They were saying that they knew 786 00:39:43,314 --> 00:39:46,818 that that baby had been poisoned by either me or my husband. 787 00:39:46,918 --> 00:39:48,019 I was devastated. 788 00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:50,321 I was blown away. 789 00:39:50,422 --> 00:39:52,558 I just could not believe that they could even think-- 790 00:39:52,658 --> 00:39:55,727 I mean, Ryan was my world. 791 00:39:55,827 --> 00:39:57,963 NARRATOR: In 1989, Patty Stallings 792 00:39:58,063 --> 00:40:01,132 was arrested for poisoning her 5-month-old son. 793 00:40:01,232 --> 00:40:03,869 When the baby died, she was charged with murder 794 00:40:03,969 --> 00:40:05,036 and later convicted. 795 00:40:07,906 --> 00:40:10,308 Unfortunately, we can't undo the suffering 796 00:40:10,408 --> 00:40:13,278 that the Stallings have endured. 797 00:40:13,378 --> 00:40:15,814 And I apologize to them, both, personally 798 00:40:15,914 --> 00:40:17,382 and for the state of Missouri. 799 00:40:17,483 --> 00:40:19,518 NARRATOR: After our broadcast, Patty Stallings 800 00:40:19,618 --> 00:40:22,320 was released from prison and exonerated when doctors 801 00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:25,090 determined that her son, Ryan, had actually suffered 802 00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:26,492 from a rare genetic disorder. 803 00:40:30,662 --> 00:40:33,899 I absolutely did not commit the robbery or the shooting 804 00:40:33,999 --> 00:40:35,266 of the police officer. 805 00:40:35,366 --> 00:40:37,068 I'm a musician and a artist. 806 00:40:37,168 --> 00:40:40,071 I'm not a criminal. 807 00:40:40,171 --> 00:40:42,073 NARRATOR: Tony Miller spent 8 1/2 years 808 00:40:42,173 --> 00:40:44,442 in prison for robbery and assault. 809 00:40:44,543 --> 00:40:46,545 Today, Miller is a free man. 810 00:40:46,645 --> 00:40:49,748 The charges against him have been dropped. 811 00:40:49,848 --> 00:40:51,950 After his story aired, a viewer who 812 00:40:52,050 --> 00:40:55,654 had been an eyewitness to the crime contacted the court. 813 00:40:55,754 --> 00:40:58,524 Miller's conviction was overturned thanks, in part, 814 00:40:58,624 --> 00:41:00,959 to the witnesses sworn statement that Tony 815 00:41:01,059 --> 00:41:03,895 was not a guilty party. 816 00:41:03,995 --> 00:41:07,365 I am innocent is a phrase that echoes through every cell block 817 00:41:07,465 --> 00:41:09,735 and every prison in America. 818 00:41:09,835 --> 00:41:11,570 Almost always, it is an empty claim. 819 00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:14,606 A little more than jailhouse posturing. 820 00:41:14,706 --> 00:41:17,375 But as you have just seen, those three words do sometimes 821 00:41:17,475 --> 00:41:19,545 carry the ring of truth. 822 00:41:19,645 --> 00:41:24,015 A few cases like our next one deserve a second look. 823 00:41:24,115 --> 00:41:25,416 [music playing] 824 00:41:27,418 --> 00:41:29,855 NARRATOR: January 3, 1972. 825 00:41:29,955 --> 00:41:32,658 Two boys out fishing on Taylor Bayou near Webster, 826 00:41:32,758 --> 00:41:35,460 Texas found evidence of a tragedy. 827 00:41:35,561 --> 00:41:36,361 What's that out there? 828 00:41:39,665 --> 00:41:43,001 It, kind of, looks like a ball. 829 00:41:43,101 --> 00:41:43,935 [inaudible] 830 00:41:44,035 --> 00:41:46,705 It's a skull! 831 00:41:46,805 --> 00:41:49,374 NARRATOR: It was a skull of a young girl. 832 00:41:49,474 --> 00:41:51,309 Six weeks later, police discovered 833 00:41:51,409 --> 00:41:53,612 the rest of her bones along with the remains 834 00:41:53,712 --> 00:41:54,880 of another young woman. 835 00:41:54,980 --> 00:41:57,315 [inaudible] Come on in here and get a shot 836 00:41:57,415 --> 00:41:58,717 of this up close, please. 837 00:42:01,787 --> 00:42:03,722 NARRATOR: Dental records identify the two girls 838 00:42:03,822 --> 00:42:06,457 as 14-year-old Rhonda Renee Johnson 839 00:42:06,558 --> 00:42:09,060 and 15-year-old Sharon Shaw who had been missing 840 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,362 since a previous summer. 841 00:42:11,462 --> 00:42:15,166 The cause of their deaths could not be determined. 842 00:42:15,266 --> 00:42:17,969 Five months after the bones were found, police arrested 843 00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:20,639 23-year-old Michael Self, a gas station 844 00:42:20,739 --> 00:42:23,308 attendant with below average intelligence. 845 00:42:23,408 --> 00:42:26,712 Self was charged with two counts of murder. 846 00:42:26,812 --> 00:42:30,481 20 years later, he is still in prison convicted of a crime 847 00:42:30,582 --> 00:42:33,551 he swears he did not commit. 848 00:42:33,652 --> 00:42:37,823 I did not kill Sharon Shaw and Renee Johnson. 849 00:42:37,923 --> 00:42:43,428 It was just all behind politics and wanting a conviction. 850 00:42:43,528 --> 00:42:44,863 That was it. 851 00:42:44,963 --> 00:42:47,833 Just somebody to play the patsy. 852 00:42:51,837 --> 00:42:54,840 Imagine that you're a jury member in a murder trial. 853 00:42:54,940 --> 00:42:56,642 The defendant has confessed twice, 854 00:42:56,742 --> 00:42:58,877 and you vote to convict him. 855 00:42:58,977 --> 00:43:01,112 Later, you discover the confessions were allegedly 856 00:43:01,212 --> 00:43:03,214 coerced by two police officers who 857 00:43:03,314 --> 00:43:05,450 used a kind of rough justice. 858 00:43:05,550 --> 00:43:08,486 Physical and psychological intimidation. 859 00:43:08,586 --> 00:43:10,555 As it turned out, those two police officers 860 00:43:10,656 --> 00:43:12,824 were criminals themselves. 861 00:43:12,924 --> 00:43:16,527 It may seem incredible, but Michael Self claims that he was 862 00:43:16,628 --> 00:43:18,096 a victim of just that scenario. 863 00:43:22,333 --> 00:43:23,902 NARRATOR: Rhonda Johnson and Sharon Shaw 864 00:43:24,002 --> 00:43:27,072 disappeared on August 4, 1971. 865 00:43:27,172 --> 00:43:29,641 They were last seen heading toward the Jericho Surf and Ski 866 00:43:29,741 --> 00:43:33,178 Shop in Galveston, Texas 20 miles south of Rhonda's 867 00:43:33,278 --> 00:43:34,746 hometown of Webster. 868 00:43:34,846 --> 00:43:35,814 No, that's OK. 869 00:43:35,914 --> 00:43:37,615 We've just got a couple more blocks to go. 870 00:43:37,716 --> 00:43:38,850 NARRATOR: Police immediately launched 871 00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:40,952 an exhaustive investigation. 872 00:43:41,052 --> 00:43:42,754 There was a great deal of community pressure 873 00:43:42,854 --> 00:43:44,389 to find the girls. 874 00:43:44,489 --> 00:43:46,792 Pressure intensified by the fact that Rhonda 875 00:43:46,892 --> 00:43:49,060 was a granddaughter of a prominent Webster 876 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,897 City councilman. 877 00:43:51,997 --> 00:43:54,499 I put in many hours, many hours, 878 00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:56,267 night and day on trying to find out 879 00:43:56,367 --> 00:43:58,269 what happened to these girls when they disappeared. 880 00:43:58,369 --> 00:44:00,772 But I kept coming up to some loose ends. 881 00:44:00,872 --> 00:44:03,842 I was getting close, I thought. 882 00:44:03,942 --> 00:44:05,276 Then, it would disappear. 883 00:44:05,376 --> 00:44:08,546 All my leads would just disappear. 884 00:44:08,646 --> 00:44:11,516 We're awful lucky to have a couple of DPS boys on board. 885 00:44:11,616 --> 00:44:15,220 NARRATOR: In late May of 1972, the Webster City Council hired 886 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,355 a new police chief, Don Morris. 887 00:44:17,455 --> 00:44:20,091 Morris and his assistant, Chief Tommy Diehl, 888 00:44:20,191 --> 00:44:22,227 came from the traffic division of the Texas 889 00:44:22,327 --> 00:44:23,762 Department of Public Safety. 890 00:44:23,862 --> 00:44:25,697 Son, I'm glad you're with us. 891 00:44:25,797 --> 00:44:26,932 I know I can count on ya. 892 00:44:27,032 --> 00:44:27,999 Yes, sir. 893 00:44:28,099 --> 00:44:29,267 NARRATOR: The hunt for Rhonda and Sharon 894 00:44:29,367 --> 00:44:31,636 had been going on fruitlessly for 10 months. 895 00:44:31,737 --> 00:44:33,671 But within three weeks of taking office, 896 00:44:33,772 --> 00:44:36,307 Morris got a tip on a suspect. 897 00:44:36,407 --> 00:44:39,210 Seems to me, a few years back, a boy named 898 00:44:39,310 --> 00:44:40,478 Michael Self was [inaudible]. 899 00:44:40,578 --> 00:44:42,380 NARRATOR: Glen Price, another city councilman, 900 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,116 suggested Tommy Diehl check known sex offenders 901 00:44:45,216 --> 00:44:47,452 and mentioned Michael Self's name. 902 00:44:47,552 --> 00:44:50,889 Self had been arrested twice in peeping tom incidents. 903 00:44:50,989 --> 00:44:52,123 I know you'll do a good job, Tommy. 904 00:44:52,223 --> 00:44:53,224 I'll give it a whirl, Glen. 905 00:44:53,324 --> 00:44:54,125 Bye. 906 00:44:54,225 --> 00:44:56,561 Bye bye. 907 00:44:56,661 --> 00:44:57,996 [bell ringing] 908 00:44:59,998 --> 00:45:04,169 NARRATOR: June 9th 1972, at 5:00 AM, assistant chief, Tommy 909 00:45:04,269 --> 00:45:07,372 Diehl, and officer Herman Morgan stopped by the gas station 910 00:45:07,472 --> 00:45:10,976 where 23-year-old Michael Self worked the night shift. 911 00:45:11,076 --> 00:45:11,943 Say, look here, Mike. 912 00:45:12,043 --> 00:45:13,378 What's up? 913 00:45:13,478 --> 00:45:15,781 You got ESP? 914 00:45:15,881 --> 00:45:17,248 Say it again. 915 00:45:17,348 --> 00:45:18,416 I got ESP. 916 00:45:18,516 --> 00:45:19,317 Is that right? 917 00:45:19,417 --> 00:45:20,651 That's right. 918 00:45:20,752 --> 00:45:25,857 And I can tell you exactly what you're thinking right now. 919 00:45:25,957 --> 00:45:29,227 You're thinking about two girls. 920 00:45:29,327 --> 00:45:30,628 [laughing] 921 00:45:30,728 --> 00:45:34,599 Well I didn't know what two girls he was talking about. 922 00:45:34,699 --> 00:45:37,803 My wife and I had been separated. 923 00:45:37,903 --> 00:45:40,872 And I was dating a girl. 924 00:45:40,972 --> 00:45:43,641 And I thought that's who he was, you know, talking about. 925 00:45:43,741 --> 00:45:46,244 That's the only one I could think of. 926 00:45:46,344 --> 00:45:48,713 [phone ringing] 927 00:45:48,814 --> 00:45:51,416 NARRATOR: Later that morning, Michael Self voluntarily 928 00:45:51,516 --> 00:45:52,951 went to the police station. 929 00:45:53,051 --> 00:45:53,852 Detective. 930 00:45:53,952 --> 00:45:54,886 Detective Hanes. 931 00:45:54,986 --> 00:45:56,087 Could you bring that file [inaudible]. 932 00:45:56,187 --> 00:45:57,823 I knew I hadn't done anything. 933 00:45:57,923 --> 00:46:00,725 I just went ahead and agreed to meeting there. 934 00:46:00,826 --> 00:46:04,195 Now Mike, I want you to answer some questions for me. 935 00:46:04,295 --> 00:46:07,432 I want you to tell us if you've ever seen either one 936 00:46:07,532 --> 00:46:09,767 of these girls before. 937 00:46:09,868 --> 00:46:11,669 NARRATOR: Self said he recognized the girls 938 00:46:11,769 --> 00:46:12,603 but did not know them. 939 00:46:12,703 --> 00:46:13,504 Yes. 940 00:46:13,604 --> 00:46:14,940 Renae Johnson. 941 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,307 NARRATOR: To his surprise, he was 942 00:46:16,407 --> 00:46:17,909 immediately taken into custody. 943 00:46:18,009 --> 00:46:19,244 Sharon Shaw. 944 00:46:19,344 --> 00:46:20,411 That's right. 945 00:46:20,511 --> 00:46:21,847 Cuff him. - Why? 946 00:46:21,947 --> 00:46:23,014 We are putting you under arrest-- 947 00:46:23,114 --> 00:46:23,982 Come on in here, son. 948 00:46:24,082 --> 00:46:24,816 --for the murder of these two girls. 949 00:46:24,916 --> 00:46:25,716 Sit down in that chair. 950 00:46:25,817 --> 00:46:26,617 All right. 951 00:46:29,587 --> 00:46:31,022 Mike, Mike, Mike. 952 00:46:35,326 --> 00:46:37,428 You know we already know you killed those two girls. 953 00:46:37,528 --> 00:46:38,897 We got the evidence. 954 00:46:38,997 --> 00:46:40,098 Oh, come on. 955 00:46:40,198 --> 00:46:41,933 I didn't have nothing to do with killing no girls. 956 00:46:42,033 --> 00:46:43,034 And y'all know that. 957 00:46:43,134 --> 00:46:44,635 NARRATOR: While Self was being questioned, 958 00:46:44,735 --> 00:46:46,571 another police officer, Jerry Mitchell, 959 00:46:46,671 --> 00:46:47,705 stopped by to observe. 960 00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:49,040 If you cooperate, if you confess-- 961 00:46:49,140 --> 00:46:51,276 NARRATOR: Mitchell knew Self and says Self was not a tone 962 00:46:51,376 --> 00:46:53,845 nervous at that stage of the interrogation. 963 00:46:53,945 --> 00:46:55,613 So what happens to somebody they get caught 964 00:46:55,713 --> 00:46:56,948 for doing something like that? 965 00:46:57,048 --> 00:46:57,916 Mike looked relaxed. 966 00:46:58,016 --> 00:46:58,816 Easy going. 967 00:46:58,917 --> 00:47:00,018 Kind of laid back. 968 00:47:00,118 --> 00:47:01,486 He was grinning. 969 00:47:01,586 --> 00:47:07,058 And I don't know if it ever really sunk in, at that time, 970 00:47:07,158 --> 00:47:09,327 what he was being involved in. 971 00:47:09,427 --> 00:47:11,796 You got something to tell us? 972 00:47:11,897 --> 00:47:13,631 Well like I say, I ain't done nothing. 973 00:47:13,731 --> 00:47:15,133 I ain't broke no law. 974 00:47:15,233 --> 00:47:20,505 [sigh] Don't you need to be on patrol. 975 00:47:20,605 --> 00:47:22,173 NARRATOR: Mitchell left the room. 976 00:47:22,273 --> 00:47:24,275 According to Self, Chief Don Morris 977 00:47:24,375 --> 00:47:26,912 then took personal charge of the interrogation. 978 00:47:27,012 --> 00:47:28,146 And the tone changed radically. 979 00:47:28,246 --> 00:47:29,047 No, Don. 980 00:47:29,147 --> 00:47:30,949 We're not. - What? 981 00:47:31,049 --> 00:47:32,217 Is he innocent? 982 00:47:32,317 --> 00:47:34,585 [laughing] 983 00:47:34,685 --> 00:47:35,586 You innocent, Michael? 984 00:47:35,686 --> 00:47:36,821 Yes, sir. 985 00:47:36,922 --> 00:47:38,123 Tell you what, Tom. 986 00:47:38,223 --> 00:47:39,958 Why don't you go home and take a nap and let me, uh-- 987 00:47:40,058 --> 00:47:41,126 NARRATOR: What you are about to see 988 00:47:41,226 --> 00:47:44,229 is based on Michael Self's recollection. 989 00:47:44,329 --> 00:47:46,898 Yeah, Michael. 990 00:47:46,998 --> 00:47:50,435 Don Morris started asking me questions. 991 00:47:50,535 --> 00:47:54,105 Why I killed these girls. 992 00:47:54,205 --> 00:47:57,075 I told him I didn't know what he was talking about. 993 00:47:57,175 --> 00:47:59,677 I've seen a lot of innocent people, Michael. 994 00:47:59,777 --> 00:48:02,547 And you don't look like one of them. 995 00:48:02,647 --> 00:48:05,483 Now tell me about the girls. 996 00:48:05,583 --> 00:48:07,018 I don't really know what you want me to tell 997 00:48:07,118 --> 00:48:08,419 you about the girls, sir. 998 00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:09,387 Tell me about the girls. 999 00:48:09,487 --> 00:48:11,256 He said that he wanted a confession. 1000 00:48:11,356 --> 00:48:15,560 I wasn't gonna leave until he got one. 1001 00:48:15,660 --> 00:48:17,295 Tell me about the girls. 1002 00:48:17,395 --> 00:48:19,030 I don't nothing about no girls. 1003 00:48:19,130 --> 00:48:21,366 I done told you. 1004 00:48:21,466 --> 00:48:24,035 I think I'll go round up some stray dogs. 1005 00:48:24,135 --> 00:48:25,736 Aye, you be careful out there. 1006 00:48:29,674 --> 00:48:32,043 He said, don't you have a guilty conscience 1007 00:48:32,143 --> 00:48:37,315 for doing this and having to look Roy Johnson in the face? 1008 00:48:37,415 --> 00:48:40,285 And I'd tell him that I didn't know what he was talking about. 1009 00:48:40,385 --> 00:48:42,120 Get up! 1010 00:48:42,220 --> 00:48:44,455 He had me against the wall. 1011 00:48:44,555 --> 00:48:46,724 My hands are behind my back. 1012 00:48:46,824 --> 00:48:51,429 And he's poking this nightstick in my stomach 1013 00:48:51,529 --> 00:48:56,434 and said he was gonna get a confession. 1014 00:48:56,534 --> 00:49:01,106 You could tell that he was more or less a mad man about it. 1015 00:49:01,206 --> 00:49:02,440 [coughing] 1016 00:49:02,540 --> 00:49:03,841 You getting tired of this, Michael, huh? 1017 00:49:03,941 --> 00:49:04,742 [coughing] 1018 00:49:04,842 --> 00:49:06,611 I'm pretty tired of it myself. 1019 00:49:06,711 --> 00:49:07,845 I was crying. 1020 00:49:07,945 --> 00:49:10,015 I was upset. 1021 00:49:10,115 --> 00:49:13,951 He took his gun, opens the cylinder, 1022 00:49:14,052 --> 00:49:17,588 and takes five bullets, and stands them 1023 00:49:17,688 --> 00:49:19,090 on end where I can see them. 1024 00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:20,925 [crying] What are you talking about? 1025 00:49:21,026 --> 00:49:23,561 I want you to tell me where you picked them up. 1026 00:49:23,661 --> 00:49:24,529 [crying] told you, sir. 1027 00:49:24,629 --> 00:49:25,530 I don't know. 1028 00:49:25,630 --> 00:49:26,564 I want you to tell me-- 1029 00:49:26,664 --> 00:49:29,167 I was more scared then I was anything. 1030 00:49:29,267 --> 00:49:30,601 I didn't know what was going on. 1031 00:49:30,701 --> 00:49:32,037 I didn't know what to say. 1032 00:49:32,137 --> 00:49:34,372 Cause I will blow your head off. 1033 00:49:34,472 --> 00:49:35,673 No! 1034 00:49:35,773 --> 00:49:36,974 Tell me about the girls. 1035 00:49:37,075 --> 00:49:38,143 [inaudible]. 1036 00:49:38,243 --> 00:49:41,912 He closed it, he spun the chamber, 1037 00:49:42,013 --> 00:49:44,349 and he points his gun like this, and says 1038 00:49:44,449 --> 00:49:48,686 he's gonna blow my brains out if I don't sign a confession. 1039 00:49:48,786 --> 00:49:49,587 [crying] OK. 1040 00:49:49,687 --> 00:49:50,455 OK. 1041 00:49:50,555 --> 00:49:51,822 OK. 1042 00:49:51,922 --> 00:49:52,923 [inaudible] 1043 00:49:53,024 --> 00:49:56,961 Now I want you to write down everything 1044 00:49:57,062 --> 00:49:59,730 you remember about that day. 1045 00:49:59,830 --> 00:50:02,567 He had already beat me half to death. 1046 00:50:02,667 --> 00:50:03,801 Poked me in the stomach. 1047 00:50:03,901 --> 00:50:07,004 And I can see that he meant what he said. 1048 00:50:07,105 --> 00:50:11,776 And I asked him, what do you want me to sign? 1049 00:50:11,876 --> 00:50:17,282 He tells me that he he'll tell me what to write. 1050 00:50:17,382 --> 00:50:19,384 And you were drinking beer while you were riding around. 1051 00:50:19,484 --> 00:50:20,418 Isn't that the way it happened? 1052 00:50:20,518 --> 00:50:21,619 Yes, sir. 1053 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,154 NARRATOR: Less than an hour after Jerry Mitchell 1054 00:50:23,254 --> 00:50:25,356 left the room, he returned. 1055 00:50:25,456 --> 00:50:29,194 Self now seemed upset and visibly shaken. 1056 00:50:29,294 --> 00:50:30,428 Now let me see what you wrote down. 1057 00:50:30,528 --> 00:50:31,562 Let me see that. 1058 00:50:31,662 --> 00:50:33,030 It was, in my opinion, kind of being 1059 00:50:33,131 --> 00:50:37,001 led in a sequence of events of how they wanted it written. 1060 00:50:37,102 --> 00:50:38,769 You gonna have to do it again. 1061 00:50:38,869 --> 00:50:42,973 I had seen about a half a page of writing on there by the time 1062 00:50:43,074 --> 00:50:44,041 it was all over with. 1063 00:50:44,142 --> 00:50:46,344 And I think they had to rewrite that one. 1064 00:50:46,444 --> 00:50:47,445 Something wasn't right in it. 1065 00:50:47,545 --> 00:50:48,746 Now I want you to write some truth. 1066 00:50:48,846 --> 00:50:49,747 Now let's start again. 1067 00:50:49,847 --> 00:50:50,748 You-- 1068 00:50:50,848 --> 00:50:52,083 Not being part of the investigation, 1069 00:50:52,183 --> 00:50:55,453 I really wasn't privy to all the details of it, the whys 1070 00:50:55,553 --> 00:50:57,888 and the wherefores, but I do know that they rewrote 1071 00:50:57,988 --> 00:51:01,092 the confession several times. 1072 00:51:01,192 --> 00:51:02,593 NARRATOR: Self's confession, however, 1073 00:51:02,693 --> 00:51:05,596 did not fit the known facts of the girl's disappearance. 1074 00:51:05,696 --> 00:51:07,665 One glaring instance. 1075 00:51:07,765 --> 00:51:10,235 The confession said Self dumped the bodies at a place 1076 00:51:10,335 --> 00:51:13,037 called El Largo 20 miles from the Taylor Bayou 1077 00:51:13,138 --> 00:51:15,106 where the bodies were actually found. 1078 00:51:15,206 --> 00:51:17,742 Self's appellate attorney, Gerry Birnberg, 1079 00:51:17,842 --> 00:51:20,978 points out other discrepancies. 1080 00:51:21,078 --> 00:51:24,014 There's the statement in here that what he did was, 1081 00:51:24,115 --> 00:51:26,551 in essence, he choked one of the two girls. 1082 00:51:26,651 --> 00:51:29,820 There was no evidence of the breaking of some very tender 1083 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,956 bones in the neck that necessarily would have 1084 00:51:32,056 --> 00:51:35,460 been damaged if, in fact, he had choked one of the girls 1085 00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:36,961 to death. 1086 00:51:37,061 --> 00:51:42,066 There is this claim that he went to Sharon Shaw's house. 1087 00:51:42,167 --> 00:51:44,569 Well Sharon Shaw's family contradicts that. 1088 00:51:44,669 --> 00:51:46,371 So she wasn't home that day. 1089 00:51:46,471 --> 00:51:48,239 That didn't occur. 1090 00:51:48,339 --> 00:51:50,975 There is the statement that the girls were hanging out 1091 00:51:51,075 --> 00:51:52,410 of the window and hollering as they 1092 00:51:52,510 --> 00:51:54,145 were all driving in the car. 1093 00:51:54,245 --> 00:51:57,782 And yet, Dave Colburn did this very thorough investigation, 1094 00:51:57,882 --> 00:52:02,153 and nobody saw the two girls that night, or anybody else, 1095 00:52:02,253 --> 00:52:05,055 driving down the road hollering, waving, and screaming. 1096 00:52:05,156 --> 00:52:09,860 I had statements from two girls signed by their parents 1097 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,532 as a witness that they talked to Sharon Shaw and Renee Johnson 1098 00:52:14,632 --> 00:52:18,068 in Galveston between 8:00 and 9 o'clock. 1099 00:52:18,169 --> 00:52:21,105 There is no conceivable way that Sharon Shaw and Renee Johnson 1100 00:52:21,206 --> 00:52:25,376 could have got another ride and been in Webster riding 1101 00:52:25,476 --> 00:52:27,745 around with Michael [inaudible] itself at the time that they've 1102 00:52:27,845 --> 00:52:30,748 gotten this confession. 1103 00:52:30,848 --> 00:52:32,650 NARRATOR: Three days after Michael Self's arrest, 1104 00:52:32,750 --> 00:52:34,985 he went against his original attorney's advice 1105 00:52:35,085 --> 00:52:38,956 and agreed to take a lie detector test. 1106 00:52:39,056 --> 00:52:41,326 Is your first name Michael? 1107 00:52:41,426 --> 00:52:43,160 Yes, sir. 1108 00:52:43,261 --> 00:52:44,729 NARRATOR: According to Gerry Birnberg, 1109 00:52:44,829 --> 00:52:47,432 police asked Self about more area murders. 1110 00:52:47,532 --> 00:52:48,566 Yes. 1111 00:52:48,666 --> 00:52:52,403 NARRATOR: Between July 1971 and February 1972, 1112 00:52:52,503 --> 00:52:54,972 seven other young girls and one young boy 1113 00:52:55,072 --> 00:52:57,041 had been found murdered in a four county 1114 00:52:57,141 --> 00:52:58,909 area that included Webster. 1115 00:52:59,009 --> 00:53:03,581 Do you know who caused the death of the two girls? 1116 00:53:03,681 --> 00:53:04,782 Yes. 1117 00:53:04,882 --> 00:53:06,517 And the courts are giving him the polygraph exam. 1118 00:53:06,617 --> 00:53:08,419 They say, well, now we've got this statement that you 1119 00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:10,588 gave last Friday where you confessed 1120 00:53:10,688 --> 00:53:11,556 to killing these two girls. 1121 00:53:11,656 --> 00:53:12,457 Is it true? 1122 00:53:12,557 --> 00:53:13,824 And he says, yeah. 1123 00:53:13,924 --> 00:53:16,160 And the lie detector says no it's not! 1124 00:53:16,261 --> 00:53:18,563 It's not true at all! 1125 00:53:18,663 --> 00:53:19,697 Yes, sir. 1126 00:53:19,797 --> 00:53:21,299 NARRATOR: After taking the polygraph, 1127 00:53:21,399 --> 00:53:24,001 Self says he was still so afraid of Chief Morris 1128 00:53:24,101 --> 00:53:27,037 that he agreed to sign a second confession. 1129 00:53:27,137 --> 00:53:29,073 It did not mention any of the other murders 1130 00:53:29,173 --> 00:53:31,442 but did contain a new version of the deaths 1131 00:53:31,542 --> 00:53:32,477 of Rhonda and Sharon. 1132 00:53:32,577 --> 00:53:35,246 Yes, that's how it happened. 1133 00:53:35,346 --> 00:53:36,414 NARRATOR: In the first confession, 1134 00:53:36,514 --> 00:53:39,183 Self said he struck Sharon Shaw with his fist 1135 00:53:39,284 --> 00:53:42,420 and shoved the girl's bodies into a culvert. 1136 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,690 In the second, Self claimed he hit Shaw with a Coke bottle, 1137 00:53:45,790 --> 00:53:48,459 and dumped their bodies in the bayou. 1138 00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:50,428 The second confession also says self 1139 00:53:50,528 --> 00:53:52,397 stripped the murdered girls of their clothing 1140 00:53:52,497 --> 00:53:55,199 and tossed it out along the highway. 1141 00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:58,002 However, clothing was found with the remains, 1142 00:53:58,102 --> 00:54:01,005 along with an unidentified set of car keys, 1143 00:54:01,105 --> 00:54:03,240 and a crucifix worn by Sharon Shaw. 1144 00:54:06,010 --> 00:54:10,147 There was a slight difference in the two written confessions. 1145 00:54:10,247 --> 00:54:13,884 But all I had to do was offer in evidence 1146 00:54:13,984 --> 00:54:17,488 the confession I wanted to go with. 1147 00:54:17,588 --> 00:54:21,025 And if the facts, the outlined facts, 1148 00:54:21,125 --> 00:54:24,962 tended to support the elements of this confession, 1149 00:54:25,062 --> 00:54:28,399 that's all I needed if the jury believed it. 1150 00:54:28,499 --> 00:54:30,535 You were out driving around around 9:00 or 10 o'clock. 1151 00:54:30,635 --> 00:54:31,669 Weren't you? 1152 00:54:31,769 --> 00:54:33,103 Yes, sir. 1153 00:54:33,203 --> 00:54:35,773 NARRATOR: Two weeks after Self's arrest, two Harris County 1154 00:54:35,873 --> 00:54:38,543 Sheriff's deputies checked him out of jail on the pretext 1155 00:54:38,643 --> 00:54:41,412 of buying him a hamburger. 1156 00:54:41,512 --> 00:54:43,080 Afterwards, they drove him to places 1157 00:54:43,180 --> 00:54:45,483 mentioned in the confessions and took pictures of him 1158 00:54:45,583 --> 00:54:47,785 at each location. 1159 00:54:47,885 --> 00:54:51,656 It was presented in court as a third confession. 1160 00:54:51,756 --> 00:54:53,658 He didn't confess a third time. 1161 00:54:53,758 --> 00:54:56,093 He went on a ride with two police officers 1162 00:54:56,193 --> 00:54:58,696 who had illegally checked him out of the jail 1163 00:54:58,796 --> 00:55:00,264 to drive him around to take pictures 1164 00:55:00,365 --> 00:55:02,066 to get evidence for a trial. 1165 00:55:02,166 --> 00:55:03,534 They didn't discover anything new. 1166 00:55:08,806 --> 00:55:10,307 NARRATOR: While Self was awaiting trial, 1167 00:55:10,408 --> 00:55:12,176 he was visited by Dave Colburn who 1168 00:55:12,276 --> 00:55:15,880 was, by then, chief of police in nearby Cleveland, Texas. 1169 00:55:15,980 --> 00:55:16,881 Hello, Mike. 1170 00:55:16,981 --> 00:55:18,416 - How you doing, Mr. Colburn? - Fine. 1171 00:55:18,516 --> 00:55:19,450 How are you doing? 1172 00:55:19,550 --> 00:55:20,951 Well, not too good. 1173 00:55:21,051 --> 00:55:24,822 At the time, he looked very depressed and very distraught, 1174 00:55:24,922 --> 00:55:26,824 you know, when I walked in. 1175 00:55:26,924 --> 00:55:28,526 And I asked him-- 1176 00:55:28,626 --> 00:55:29,460 he said he didn't do it. 1177 00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,596 And I asked him what had happened. 1178 00:55:31,696 --> 00:55:36,266 And uh, he had told me about Don Morris 1179 00:55:36,367 --> 00:55:39,804 threatening him with this billy club and poking him. 1180 00:55:39,904 --> 00:55:41,338 He pulled out his gun. 1181 00:55:41,439 --> 00:55:42,640 Yes. 1182 00:55:42,740 --> 00:55:45,042 Opened it up. 1183 00:55:45,142 --> 00:55:48,746 Started pulling out five bullets one at a time. 1184 00:55:48,846 --> 00:55:50,080 When he made that statement to me, 1185 00:55:50,180 --> 00:55:54,419 I knew what had come down because a year 1186 00:55:54,519 --> 00:56:00,925 prior I witnessed Don Morris taking one shell out 1187 00:56:01,025 --> 00:56:04,228 of his revolver, hiding it, placing five shells in front 1188 00:56:04,328 --> 00:56:06,964 of a prisoner, and playing Russian roulette 1189 00:56:07,064 --> 00:56:08,666 with that person, threatening him. 1190 00:56:08,766 --> 00:56:11,402 And there's no doubt in my mind that he did that 1191 00:56:11,502 --> 00:56:13,303 to Michael [inaudible] Self. 1192 00:56:13,404 --> 00:56:15,906 And when it came to the trial, I was prepared 1193 00:56:16,006 --> 00:56:17,875 to go in and make statements. 1194 00:56:17,975 --> 00:56:19,143 And I was never called. 1195 00:56:19,243 --> 00:56:20,478 And he said-- 1196 00:56:20,578 --> 00:56:23,914 I don't know whether he did the Russian roulette number. 1197 00:56:24,014 --> 00:56:25,483 Bottom line. 1198 00:56:25,583 --> 00:56:27,251 All three confessions are consistent. 1199 00:56:27,351 --> 00:56:28,218 I killed the girls. 1200 00:56:30,855 --> 00:56:34,592 All of them are consistent. 1201 00:56:34,692 --> 00:56:37,528 NARRATOR: On May 15, 1973, Michael Self 1202 00:56:37,628 --> 00:56:40,164 was convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison. 1203 00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:44,769 Three years later, the town of Webster 1204 00:56:44,869 --> 00:56:47,304 was shocked when Don Morris and Tommy Diehl 1205 00:56:47,404 --> 00:56:49,874 were arrested for bank robbery. 1206 00:56:49,974 --> 00:56:52,342 They were members of a gang of robbers that had been stinking 1207 00:56:52,443 --> 00:56:56,881 up banks as far back as 1972, five months before Michael 1208 00:56:56,981 --> 00:56:59,650 Self was arrested. 1209 00:56:59,750 --> 00:57:04,321 In early 1976, Don Morris was sentenced to 55 years. 1210 00:57:04,421 --> 00:57:06,891 Tommy Diehl to 30 years. 1211 00:57:06,991 --> 00:57:08,225 Both were eventually parole. 1212 00:57:08,325 --> 00:57:10,828 But Tommy Diehl returned to robbing banks 1213 00:57:10,928 --> 00:57:15,032 and is now back in federal prison. 1214 00:57:15,132 --> 00:57:16,934 Gerry Birnberg petitioned the court to get 1215 00:57:17,034 --> 00:57:19,003 Michael Self a new trial. 1216 00:57:19,103 --> 00:57:21,138 After an extensive evidentiary hearing, 1217 00:57:21,238 --> 00:57:23,474 in just nine days before oral arguments, 1218 00:57:23,574 --> 00:57:27,044 the defense got what looked like a gift from heaven. 1219 00:57:27,144 --> 00:57:28,345 It's been bugging me for a long time. 1220 00:57:28,445 --> 00:57:29,747 I just wanted to get it off my chest. 1221 00:57:29,847 --> 00:57:32,116 It was Sharon Shaw and Renee Johnson. 1222 00:57:32,216 --> 00:57:33,350 I'm the one that killed them. 1223 00:57:33,450 --> 00:57:34,685 How, how did you kill them. 1224 00:57:34,785 --> 00:57:37,221 NARRATOR: On April 2nd 1980, a man walked into the police 1225 00:57:37,321 --> 00:57:39,690 station in Taylor Lake, Texas. 1226 00:57:39,790 --> 00:57:42,893 He told George Keram and state prosecutor Douglas O'Brien 1227 00:57:42,993 --> 00:57:45,663 that he, not Michael Self, had murdered 1228 00:57:45,763 --> 00:57:47,264 Rhonda Johnson and Sharon Shaw. 1229 00:57:47,364 --> 00:57:48,733 [inaudible] really upset with them and I-- 1230 00:57:48,833 --> 00:57:49,967 What'd you use to kill them with? 1231 00:57:50,067 --> 00:57:51,569 I don't remember exactly. 1232 00:57:51,669 --> 00:57:53,337 NARRATOR: Douglas O'Brian represented the state 1233 00:57:53,437 --> 00:57:55,005 when Self appealed his conviction 1234 00:57:55,105 --> 00:57:57,207 but now believes Self is innocent. 1235 00:57:57,307 --> 00:57:59,476 What'd you do with their bodies after you killed them? 1236 00:57:59,577 --> 00:58:01,546 I basically got the impression from him 1237 00:58:01,646 --> 00:58:03,347 that what he wanted to do was to get it 1238 00:58:03,447 --> 00:58:06,083 off his chest and confess to the fact 1239 00:58:06,183 --> 00:58:07,552 that he'd killed the girls. 1240 00:58:07,652 --> 00:58:10,454 But at the same time, not give me information, which 1241 00:58:10,555 --> 00:58:13,524 would allow prosecution of him. 1242 00:58:13,624 --> 00:58:15,893 Where'd you put their bodies in the water? 1243 00:58:15,993 --> 00:58:16,794 I don't know. 1244 00:58:16,894 --> 00:58:18,162 It was beside where the car was. 1245 00:58:18,262 --> 00:58:19,997 I mean, they didn't want to go through with it on the date. 1246 00:58:20,097 --> 00:58:23,333 And it was like, I tied them up with this, this black cord. 1247 00:58:23,433 --> 00:58:24,334 And I tied them up. 1248 00:58:24,434 --> 00:58:25,870 And I just, I put them in the water. 1249 00:58:25,970 --> 00:58:27,605 His account of how he killed them 1250 00:58:27,705 --> 00:58:30,140 or whatever was very vague and disjointed. 1251 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,109 But he did mention that he used a cord 1252 00:58:32,209 --> 00:58:34,979 in which to tie the girls' bodies down when he 1253 00:58:35,079 --> 00:58:36,581 put them into the water. 1254 00:58:36,681 --> 00:58:38,849 The statement by this individual 1255 00:58:38,949 --> 00:58:40,951 indicated that he had tied their feet 1256 00:58:41,051 --> 00:58:42,920 with black cord, something Michael 1257 00:58:43,020 --> 00:58:44,354 Self had never mentioned. 1258 00:58:44,454 --> 00:58:46,857 Not found in any statement by Michael Self. 1259 00:58:46,957 --> 00:58:50,294 That was the secret fact that the police 1260 00:58:50,394 --> 00:58:52,462 had held back all these years. 1261 00:58:52,563 --> 00:58:54,632 This guy knew it. 1262 00:58:54,732 --> 00:58:58,736 That guy was out of his gourd. 1263 00:58:58,836 --> 00:59:00,404 He was, he was a-- 1264 00:59:00,504 --> 00:59:01,639 I don't know why he came forward. 1265 00:59:01,739 --> 00:59:04,241 I think he was unbalanced. 1266 00:59:04,341 --> 00:59:06,510 I don't remember exactly what I did. all right? 1267 00:59:06,611 --> 00:59:08,012 I don't remember exactly. 1268 00:59:08,112 --> 00:59:10,114 What he talked about was anything that could have been 1269 00:59:10,214 --> 00:59:12,182 picked out of the newspaper. 1270 00:59:12,282 --> 00:59:13,984 And even then, he had it wrong. 1271 00:59:14,084 --> 00:59:15,485 The whole thing might've just been a dream. 1272 00:59:15,586 --> 00:59:17,788 There's no question in my mind that this person who 1273 00:59:17,888 --> 00:59:21,391 came forward was just, uh, one of these people 1274 00:59:21,491 --> 00:59:22,893 who like to confess to crimes. 1275 00:59:22,993 --> 00:59:26,296 The individual was clearly a very troubled person 1276 00:59:26,396 --> 00:59:29,834 with some flights to psychosis. 1277 00:59:29,934 --> 00:59:32,502 But he knew the girls. 1278 00:59:32,603 --> 00:59:36,373 He lived in the same apartment complex with one of them. 1279 00:59:36,473 --> 00:59:38,142 And the most important thing of all, 1280 00:59:38,242 --> 00:59:41,679 he knew about the black cord. 1281 00:59:41,779 --> 00:59:44,381 NARRATOR: Despite the surprise confession and the credibility 1282 00:59:44,481 --> 00:59:47,818 gap created by the criminal activities of Morris and Diehl, 1283 00:59:47,918 --> 00:59:51,856 Michael Self's conviction was upheld. 1284 00:59:51,956 --> 00:59:55,059 They have no corroborating evidence whatsoever! 1285 00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:58,362 Nothing to tie him to any murders or to even 1286 00:59:58,462 --> 01:00:03,934 being seen with these girls except this, which is not 1287 01:00:04,034 --> 01:00:05,936 worth the paper it's wrote on. 1288 01:00:06,036 --> 01:00:09,740 Legally speaking, he's innocent just from a standpoint 1289 01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,776 that, number one, I don't think his confessions 1290 01:00:11,876 --> 01:00:13,077 were voluntarily entered. 1291 01:00:13,177 --> 01:00:14,411 Number two, I don't think there's 1292 01:00:14,511 --> 01:00:17,547 any corroborating evidence concerning those confessions. 1293 01:00:17,648 --> 01:00:21,786 He was the type of personality that 1294 01:00:21,886 --> 01:00:25,455 was easy prey for Don Morris, that was easy 1295 01:00:25,555 --> 01:00:27,424 prey for Tommy Diehl. 1296 01:00:27,524 --> 01:00:31,361 It's easy prey for bank robbers parading as police officers. 1297 01:00:31,461 --> 01:00:33,063 And that's what happened. 1298 01:00:33,163 --> 01:00:38,335 If he were tried today, naturally, some of these areas 1299 01:00:38,435 --> 01:00:40,604 would be clarified, these particular points 1300 01:00:40,705 --> 01:00:42,673 we're talking about. 1301 01:00:42,773 --> 01:00:46,476 We'd go back and spend more time, 1302 01:00:46,576 --> 01:00:53,050 and send better investigators out, and make our decision as 1303 01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:55,986 to whether to prosecute or not. 1304 01:00:56,086 --> 01:00:58,488 [theme music] 1305 01:01:20,577 --> 01:01:23,213 NARRATOR: Next Wednesday on the season premiere of Unsolved 1306 01:01:23,313 --> 01:01:26,250 Mysteries, for five years, Bruce Kelly 1307 01:01:26,350 --> 01:01:29,820 has been haunted by fragmented images of a life not his own. 1308 01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,823 A life that, apparently, ended on a doomed submarine 1309 01:01:32,923 --> 01:01:34,759 during World War II. 1310 01:01:34,859 --> 01:01:38,328 Is Kelly's story a remarkable case of reincarnation? 1311 01:01:38,428 --> 01:01:42,132 Or is there another more rational explanation? 1312 01:01:42,232 --> 01:01:44,769 In Chicago, a young boy was victimized 1313 01:01:44,869 --> 01:01:46,703 by a hit and run driver. 1314 01:01:46,804 --> 01:01:49,774 His family needs your help to find the man they believe 1315 01:01:49,874 --> 01:01:52,409 was responsible. 1316 01:01:52,509 --> 01:01:55,846 And thanks to tips from you, our viewers, a fugitive cult 1317 01:01:55,946 --> 01:01:58,515 leader wanted on criminal charges in Missouri 1318 01:01:58,615 --> 01:02:01,418 has been arrested. 1319 01:02:01,518 --> 01:02:04,288 Join me next Wednesday for the dramatic season 1320 01:02:04,388 --> 01:02:07,224 premiere of Unsold Mysteries. 1321 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