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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): The saga
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of Noah's ark, one
of "The Bible's"
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most enduring stories is now the
focus of a tantalizing debate.
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Was there truly a
great flood, which
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Noah following the instructions
of God, managed to survive?
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In recent years two
research expeditions
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have combed the mountains
of Ararat in Turkey.
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The incredible,
both believe they
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may have found the
remnants of Noah's ark,
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in two separate locations.
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In Austin, Texas, three
men noticed a strange car
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cruising their neighborhood.
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Moments later, they heard the
desperate screams of a woman.
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And they were caught up in the
search for a brutal kidnapper.
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Join me for another addition
of "Unsolved Mysteries".
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[theme music]
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Noah's ark, one of the
most famous and evocative
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of all bible stories.
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As recorded in "Genesis",
the first book of The Bible,
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God looked down upon
the earth he had created
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and saw it had become
evil and wicked.
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He came to a righteous
man named Noah
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and ordered him to build an ark.
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And God said to Noah,
make rooms in the ark
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and cover it inside
and outside with pitch.
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You shall make it with lower,
second, and third decks.
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And of every living
thing, of all flesh,
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you shall bring
two of every sort
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into the ark to keep
them alive with you.
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And so it came to pass, God
brought forth a great flood.
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[thunderstorm]
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For 40 days and
40 nights, rain
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descended from the heavens.
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All living things
were destroyed, save
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for the occupants of the ark.
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[ocean waves crashing]
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
When the waters receded,
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God said to Noah, bring out
with you every living thing
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of all flesh that is
with you so that they
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may abound on the Earth and
be fruitful and multiply.
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So ends the story of Noah's ark.
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But for centuries,
people have wondered,
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was a story based on fact?
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Or was it a legend handed
down from generation
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to generation as a
symbolic morality play
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in a hostile and corrupt world?
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Contrary to popular
belief, The Bible
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was not the original
telling the story
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of Noah and the great flood.
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In ancient Babylonia
and Sumerian,
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the same story was
recorded thousands of years
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before "The Bible" was written.
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Even here in North America the
early Spanish explorers were
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starting to discover
the Hopi Indians
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told a tale that was
remarkably similar to the story
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of Noah's ark.
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In fact, no fewer than 200
variations of the legend
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could be found in cultures
throughout the world.
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Leading many to
believe that there
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was indeed a cataclysmic
flood thousands of years ago.
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In recent times,
some researchers
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have seized upon
this speculation
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and gone in search
of definitive proof,
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the remains of Noah's ark.
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According to Middle Eastern
versions of the story,
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the ark was built near the
ancient city of Shuruppak,
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in what is now Iraq.
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In the book of
"Genesis" chapter 8,
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The Bible says the
ark came to rest
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on the mountains
of Ararat, which
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are in present day Turkey.
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More than 500 miles
from Shuruppak.
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It is a desolate,
sparsely populated region.
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Rising above the headwaters
of the Tigris River.
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In recent years, several
separate research expeditions
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have explored the
mountains of Ararat.
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Incredibly, two separate
teams both believe
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they may have found the ark,
in two different locations, 17
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miles apart.
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One of the sites lies on the
Northeast side of Mount Ararat
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under a permanent 23
square mile glacier.
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In 1969, a Turkish businessman
named George Hagopian,
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went public with a
remarkable story.
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He claimed that as
a young boy in 1906,
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he had actually seen
Noah's ark wedged
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in a glacier from which the
ice had temporarily receded.
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Hagobian described the vessel
to archaeological illustrator
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Elfred Lee.
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ELFRED LEE: He said it
looked like a long box.
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It's rectangular
and the corners were
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kind of rounded a little bit.
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The sides sloped in, slightly.
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The roof, he said,
was basically flat
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with just a slight pitch to it.
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And there was a stair kind
of a apparatus at one end.
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His uncle hoisted him
up onto this ladder
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and he walked on
up onto the roof.
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And there all the way down
the middle of the roof
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he saw these holes.
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And he stuck his head
in and it was dark,
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he shouted and his voice
echoed and re-echoed inside.
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It was hollow.
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George Hagopian went back
a couple of years later,
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saw the same thing.
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But ice and snow were
beginning to cover it up again.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
17 years later, Elfred Lee
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was introduced to a
man named Ed Davis,
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who in 1943 was stationed
in Iran with the US Army.
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He too, claimed he
had seen the ark.
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When Ed Davis started talking,
the hair on the back of my head
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just stood up.
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Because I could like hear
an echo of George Hagopian
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from years before.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Ed Davis' sighting
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occurred in roughly the same
area as George Hogopian's.
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However, when Davis saw
what he thought was the ark,
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it had broken in two.
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We waited a while and
the fog kind of lifted
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and it shown through
kind of a funnel.
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And it showed they
ark, in the end.
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You could see in the end of it.
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And we saw both parts.
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You stand there with
your mouth wide open.
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ELFRED LEE (VOICEOVER): Ed Davis
described three decks inside
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and large cages on
the bottom deck.
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Smaller cages on
the second deck.
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And on the roof a venting
system with many holes on it.
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And, so that you could see how
the light and ventilation could
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go clear to the bottom deck.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
In this illustration
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Elfred Lee has reconciled
the two accounts.
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The intact art depicts George
Hagopian's sighting in 1906.
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Below are the two pieces
as described by Ed Davis.
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However, Hagopian and Davis
are unable to pinpoint
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the exact locations
of the sightings
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but their stories helped spark
the interest of Don Schockey
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an amateur archeologist.
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I can't think of
anything more exciting
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that I could be
doing in my lifetime
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than having a small
part in seeing
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this, whatever it is, verified.
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And we have good
reason to believe
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it's, there's something there.
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And we got, we've
got to prove it.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In
1989, Don Schockey launched
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an expedition to Mount Ararat.
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The mountain is on the
easternmost edge of Turkey
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bordered by Iran and the
Georgia Democratic Republic,
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formerly a part of
the Soviet Union.
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Schockey chose his
destination based
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upon classified US satellite
photographs, which have
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been analyzed by an expert.
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For three days, Don
Schockey and his guides
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made their way up the
south side of the mountain.
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Our whole goal was
to get to the spot,
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over the top, down the glaciers
to this particular location
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and verify what the satellite
information had told us.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
However, the Turkish government
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restricts access to the
north side of Mount Ararat,
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foreigners are forbidden.
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One of the Turkish guides,
Amet, continued on with camera
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in hand.
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Amet crested Mount Ararat and
started down the north slope.
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At this point, at an elevation
of nearly 16,000 feet,
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he spotted something
half buried in the snow.
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From a distance of 300 yards,
he took this photograph,
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which seems to show the
end of a rectangular object
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with a peaked roof.
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DON SCHOCKEY: He came back and
I said, is anything showing?
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He said, a coop, a coop.
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And I said, what are
you talking about, Amet?
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A coop, a coop.
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Like a chicken coop.
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Oh.
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It kind of had a pointed top
and he said that you could see
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the outline of it in the side.
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He said, in all
of my years you've
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never seen anything like it.
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He said, there's
some artifact there.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Don Schockey
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believed that Amet
might have discovered
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the remains of Noah's ark.
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Schockey returned
to the United States
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where he took the photograph
to forensic anthropologist, Dr.
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Jim Ebert.
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DR. JIM EBERT: It certainly
does not look natural.
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It looks very strikingly
man-made to me.
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Of course there are
no scale cues in here
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so we can't really
tell how big it is.
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What I see when I look at this,
is something that stands out
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from the rest of the terrain.
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And that is a, what looks
like a solid structure.
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You'll never know
until you get up there
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and can see it and
stand next to it.
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But it's, the
rectilinear outline
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suggests to me that this isn't
a normal part of a glacier.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
In 1990, Schockey
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returned to Mount
Ararat and undertook
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an extensive aerial search.
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Unfortunately, the site
photographed by Amet
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had been completely
covered with snow.
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Schockey was forced
to abandon his effort
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but remains
convinced that he has
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probably found the resting
place of Noah's ark.
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Others disagree.
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We've been told for years that
Noah's ark is on top of Mount
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Ararat because that's
what "The Bible" says
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and that's not what
"The Bible" says.
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"The Bible" says
the ark came to rest
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on, upon the
mountains of Ararat,
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that word is in the plural.
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And if we--
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): David
Fasold is a former Merchant
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Marine Officer and
merchant salvage expert,
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who believes that
the ark is buried
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beneath this unusual mound.
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A full 17 miles south
of Mount Ararat.
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Fasold's team has made several
expeditions to the area.
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They have combed the site
with a metal detector
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and discovered traces of
iron beneath the mountain,
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which do not appear to
be natural deposits.
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(METAL DETECTOR BEEPING)
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DAVID FASOLD: Every 20 to
30 inches approximately,
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we have the remains
of an iron fitting
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or an iron pin of sorts
that are still there
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in the soil and discernible.
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Well, this is one of 5400 iron
fittings that we've located.
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Of course, we haven't pulled
them all out of the boat.
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It's been cut in half
by a diamond saw,
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scanned by electron
microscopes at Los
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Alamos National Laboratory.
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And this particular
iron fitting is
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94.84% man-made wrought iron.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Looking at the mound
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from above, the
iron deposits form
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a distinct pattern
of intersecting
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lines, which Fasold believes
is a framework of the ark.
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From end to end,
the lines measure
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515 feet, or 300 cubits.
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The length of the arc as
recorded as in "The Bible".
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The width averages 85
feet, or 50 cubits,
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which also corresponds to
the biblical dimension.
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Given the shape of the thing
and the size of the thing
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and where they found it.
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I mean, if it walks like a
duck and quacks like a duck
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until somebody finds
something else.
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What else could it
possibly be but Noah's ark?
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Are
the metal fittings remnants
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of Noah's ark?
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Some have suggested
that David Fasold
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has, in reality,
found the remains
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of an ancient Mongol Fort.
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Others say it is merely
a geological formation.
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However, the Turkish
government has
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declared the mound
as the official site
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where Noah's ark came to rest.
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The man who was in
charge, Professor Salih
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Bayraktutan, who is
also a geologist,
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he says it's Noah's ark 200%.
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It is not a geological anomaly,
it's a man-made structure.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Has one
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of mankind's great
mysteries finally
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been solved in this
remote mountain range?
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It seems obvious
that Don Schockey
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and David Fasold are
both investigating
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something very unique.
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But only years of
further exploration
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and detailed
analysis will reveal
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exactly what they have found.
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It is tantalizing to think that
Noah's ark may actually exist.
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However unlikely it may
seem, such a discovery
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would not be unprecedented.
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In fact it was less than 100
years ago that archaeologists
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uncovered the ruins of the
ancient city of Troy, which had
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always been considered a myth.
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Finding Noah's ark would no
doubt prove more elusive,
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perhaps is a story best
left as a metaphor.
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A cautionary tale for
a world that has grown
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ever more complex and chaotic.
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Next, a young woman is
found murdered in Louisiana.
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Perhaps you can help
identify her killer.
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[theme music]
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Everything all right
out there, Tracy?
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They just seated 20 more.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
In November of 1988,
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26-year-old Tracy Wofford-Bunn
began working as a waitress
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in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
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I think they keep coming back.
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Same people.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
She arrived from Milwaukee,
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Wisconsin three months earlier.
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Looking for a new
start in a new city.
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SOLOMON BUNN: Tracy
was a beautiful person.
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Outgoing, fun to be with.
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She would do things
very spur of the moment.
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She could say, well tomorrow
I'm going to Minnesota.
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Tomorrow she'd go to Minnesota.
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With no care whatsoever,
wondering about what might
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happen, what would happen.
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No care.
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She knew where she was going.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Tracy and Solomon
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Bunn had married in 1986.
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2 1/2 years later, the marriage
was on the skids and Tracy
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turned to her younger
sister Danielle,
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who lived in Baton Rouge.
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She had spoken many
times about leaving
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Milwaukee to sort of spread her
wings and try something new.
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And so she just came to visit me
and we had a really good time.
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And I introduced her to quite
a few different type people.
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And so she stayed with me,
I think a couple of weeks.
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And then she went back home and
stayed about a week and a half
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and came back down with all
of, the rest of her stuff.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Tracy settled in quickly.
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She landed a job and even
found a new boyfriend.
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It seemed like life was
starting all over again.
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Then six months later, on the
morning of April 1st 1989,
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it all came crashing down.
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Outside of an apartment
complex, a passer
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by noticed a young
woman apparently asleep
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in the front seat of a car.
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It quickly became obvious that
the young woman was not asleep.
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Tracy Wofford-Bunn
had been murdered.
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About what time was it
when you first saw the car?
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It was about 8 o'clock
when I first saw the car.
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And when I came out,
it was about 8:30,
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to really see what was, was
lady asleep or what in the car.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Tracy had been
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raped and strangled to death.
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, Oddly investigators found
no sign of a struggle.
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In fact there were a number of
things about the crime scene,
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which did not seem quite right.
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Clothes all ruffled up
and her shoes are missing.
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Would you mind taking
me a few shots of that?
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DETECTIVE WHEELER: Upon
examining the body,
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we could see that
the clothes were
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all jumbled up in a fashion
that I have seen before.
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And it's usually when a person
has had their clothing put back
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on them and they're either
in an unconscious state
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or they're deceased.
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We also found that
the stick shift
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was broken off in the car.
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Was lying on the floorboard.
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I still believe the vehicle
could have been driven
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but it would have taken
somebody with a little expertise
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at doing it to drive
it with a stick
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shift broken off like that.
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The motive's the main thing
that has me puzzled is,
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because there was no robbery.
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Jewelry was still
on the victim, purse
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was there, identification.
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This was just a total loss
of life, for no reason.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): With
no physical evidence to go on,
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Detective Wheeler turned to
the people who knew Tracy best.
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He started with
her new boyfriend.
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--That we were
together and we just
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rode around for a little while.
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DETECTIVE WHEELER : You
were in Tracy's vehicle?
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Yes, yeah, we rode around.
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DETECTIVE WHEELER: Well, when
I spoke with the boyfriend,
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he advised me that about
4:30, March 31, 1989,
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he dropped Tracy off at work.
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And he kept her vehicle.
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He and his cousin were
riding around in the car
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and he was supposed to
pick Tracy up that night
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at 12 midnight, when
she got off work.
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Oh, man.
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DETECTIVE WHEELER:
Unfortunately, he
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said the shift lever
broke off in the vehicle
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at Texas and East Polk.
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Then he parked the
vehicle and went
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to the cousin's house, which
is about a half mile away.
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Let's go ahead
and leave it here.
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We'll come back and
get it tomorrow.
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00:19:34,073 --> 00:19:36,276
Let's walk on back
to your house.
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Tracy's gonna be mad at me.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Around midnight,
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Tracy called her
boyfriend and learned
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that he had damaged the car.
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I'm out of here, Timothy.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER) : She left
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work and walked to his cousin's
house, about a mile away.
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How you doing, Erik?
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Hi, Tracy.
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What happened to the car?
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It's, it's broke, it's broke.
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00:20:03,803 --> 00:20:04,971
How'd it break?
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I was just, Erik and I
would just riding, right Erik?
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And the whole shift
just snapped off.
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A stick shift
doesn't just snap off.
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00:20:12,011 --> 00:20:13,513
Well, you're shift
just snap-- you
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00:20:13,613 --> 00:20:15,648
know all the problems you've
had getting it into third gear.
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The shift, this time
just snapped off.
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I don't have any problems.
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00:20:18,718 --> 00:20:20,487
You're the one
causing the problems.
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00:20:20,587 --> 00:20:21,654
OK, OK Tra--
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Give me the keys.
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For what?
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So I can go get the
car and take care of it.
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00:20:25,892 --> 00:20:26,793
Say what?
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00:20:26,893 --> 00:20:27,694
Give me the keys.
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00:20:30,463 --> 00:20:32,965
Tracy!
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00:20:33,065 --> 00:20:33,866
Tracy!
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00:20:39,872 --> 00:20:41,073
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER)
: Tracy walked
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00:20:41,173 --> 00:20:43,776
the half mile to her car.
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00:20:43,876 --> 00:20:47,747
Police estimate that she
arrived around 12:30 AM.
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DETECTIVE WHEELER (VOICEOVER):
We know she got to the vehicle
408
00:20:49,882 --> 00:20:52,251
because it was locked up
by her boyfriend, when
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00:20:52,352 --> 00:20:53,786
he left it there.
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00:20:53,886 --> 00:20:56,188
And when we found the
vehicle, that next morning
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the keys were in the vehicle.
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But that is the last place
that we could positively
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00:21:02,128 --> 00:21:03,363
say she was alive in.
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00:21:03,463 --> 00:21:05,732
When she arrived at the car.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): An hour
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00:21:06,933 --> 00:21:09,135
and a half later,
Tracy's car was driven
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to the apartment complex
where she would be found
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murdered the next morning.
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DETECTIVE WHEELER (VOICEOVER):
I was advised by the apartment
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manager that there was possibly
a witness who saw the vehicle
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00:21:19,879 --> 00:21:22,649
when it came into the
parking lot around 1:30 AM
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00:21:22,749 --> 00:21:27,186
and saw somebody
walk away from it
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00:21:27,286 --> 00:21:29,322
and didn't pay any
much attention to it.
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I feel like Tracy
Bunn was probably
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killed between the hours of
12:30 and 1:30 in the morning.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Authorities
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00:21:41,834 --> 00:21:44,537
are particularly disturbed
by several unsettling details
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00:21:44,637 --> 00:21:46,506
surrounding the murder.
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00:21:46,606 --> 00:21:49,108
Not only had Tracy been
raped and strangled
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00:21:49,208 --> 00:21:51,310
but there were second
degree burns on her thighs
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00:21:51,411 --> 00:21:52,979
and on the back of her hands.
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00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:54,313
MEDICAL EXAMINER:
About nine o'clock.
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DETECTIVE WHEELER: We haven't
been able to determine what
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caused those burns
and we've thought
435
00:21:59,018 --> 00:22:00,787
about every type of
heating apparatus
436
00:22:00,887 --> 00:22:02,088
or device you could think of.
437
00:22:02,188 --> 00:22:03,823
We just can't find
anything that would
438
00:22:03,923 --> 00:22:07,394
make that particular burn.
439
00:22:07,494 --> 00:22:13,800
We also don't understand
the method of leaving
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00:22:13,900 --> 00:22:15,768
the body the way it was.
441
00:22:15,868 --> 00:22:19,338
It was like they wanted
this person to be found
442
00:22:19,439 --> 00:22:21,774
and they wanted
everybody to see.
443
00:22:21,874 --> 00:22:25,311
I don't know whether these guys
were involved in drugs or not.
444
00:22:25,412 --> 00:22:29,716
But when you have a case
involving people in narcotics,
445
00:22:29,816 --> 00:22:32,985
if you don't deal
with them in a fashion
446
00:22:33,085 --> 00:22:35,321
that they want you to they
make an example out of you.
447
00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:40,760
I know someone
personally, that was
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00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:43,095
very heavily involved in drugs.
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00:22:43,195 --> 00:22:47,133
And he was, I guess
he was trying to make
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00:22:47,233 --> 00:22:49,301
some sort of drug transaction.
451
00:22:49,402 --> 00:22:53,506
And he was told that that
person was the person
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00:22:53,606 --> 00:22:55,241
who had murdered my sister.
453
00:22:55,341 --> 00:22:56,443
Dead by the river.
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00:22:56,543 --> 00:22:59,111
Man, I think one of those
guys killed her, man.
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00:22:59,211 --> 00:23:00,813
Hey, man let's get out of here.
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00:23:00,913 --> 00:23:02,048
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Authorities
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00:23:02,148 --> 00:23:04,717
did investigate a known
drug dealer but found
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00:23:04,817 --> 00:23:07,987
no evidence linking
him to the crime.
459
00:23:08,087 --> 00:23:09,722
It's my feeling
that her boyfriend
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00:23:09,822 --> 00:23:11,691
knew something because
he had her car that night
461
00:23:11,791 --> 00:23:13,059
while she was at work.
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00:23:13,159 --> 00:23:15,628
He didn't come and
pick her up from work
463
00:23:15,728 --> 00:23:18,364
at the agreed upon time.
464
00:23:18,465 --> 00:23:20,032
Apparently, when she went
by his cousin's house
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to pick up the car, he
told her that it was broken
466
00:23:23,970 --> 00:23:26,038
and that you go on ahead.
467
00:23:26,138 --> 00:23:28,775
And it doesn't sound like a
likely story for the person who
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00:23:28,875 --> 00:23:30,409
was supposed to be
involved with my sister
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00:23:30,510 --> 00:23:33,312
to just sort of throw
her to the wolves at 12
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or 1 o'clock at night.
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00:23:37,550 --> 00:23:38,885
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Tracy's boyfriend
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and his cousin were each given
two polygraph examinations.
473
00:23:42,589 --> 00:23:45,291
They both passed the test and
are not considered suspects.
474
00:23:45,391 --> 00:23:47,026
Always had problems
with the stick shift.
475
00:23:47,126 --> 00:23:48,628
And the transmission
getting into third.
476
00:23:48,728 --> 00:23:50,897
DETECTIVE WHEELER: I've
worked a number of homicides
477
00:23:50,997 --> 00:23:55,535
and this one, I feel has just
a few pieces of the puzzle
478
00:23:55,635 --> 00:23:57,537
that haven't fell in place yet.
479
00:23:57,637 --> 00:24:00,607
And I know it's a solvable case.
480
00:24:00,707 --> 00:24:03,342
And it's frustrating
for me as well
481
00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:07,747
for for Tracy's family to not
know who these killers are.
482
00:24:07,847 --> 00:24:14,286
Because they're walking around
scot-free today and Tracy's
483
00:24:14,386 --> 00:24:16,388
gone.
484
00:24:16,489 --> 00:24:18,625
It's, even now
it's hard to believe,
485
00:24:18,725 --> 00:24:20,627
even though I've seen her body.
486
00:24:20,727 --> 00:24:23,996
I've seen her, I've buried her.
487
00:24:24,096 --> 00:24:26,699
I've heard all this
different information,
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00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:28,635
all the details and everything.
489
00:24:28,735 --> 00:24:31,237
And still, it's really
difficult to believe.
490
00:24:31,337 --> 00:24:33,072
Because I really don't
know what happened
491
00:24:33,172 --> 00:24:34,473
and I think if I
knew what happened
492
00:24:34,574 --> 00:24:37,209
I'd be able to believe
that it's happened
493
00:24:37,309 --> 00:24:39,311
and sort of leave it behind me.
494
00:24:59,666 --> 00:25:00,933
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): When we
495
00:25:01,033 --> 00:25:04,871
return the touching story of
a mans search for his sister.
496
00:25:04,971 --> 00:25:07,039
A search, which has
spanned half a century.
497
00:25:17,984 --> 00:25:21,020
1941 Ottumwa, Iowa.
498
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:24,190
A family is about
to be torn apart.
499
00:25:24,290 --> 00:25:25,958
Three brothers and
a sister have been
500
00:25:26,058 --> 00:25:28,294
left in the care of
their aunt, who fearing
501
00:25:28,394 --> 00:25:30,863
for the children's
well-being has contacted
502
00:25:30,963 --> 00:25:33,399
the child welfare department.
503
00:25:33,499 --> 00:25:35,234
[knock on door]
504
00:25:35,334 --> 00:25:40,439
Walter, Donald, Richard,
Dolores, I need to take
505
00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:42,374
you to your new home now.
506
00:25:42,474 --> 00:25:43,843
Come out please.
507
00:25:43,943 --> 00:25:45,578
You kids get on
out here, we're gonna
508
00:25:45,678 --> 00:25:47,213
take you to a decent home.
509
00:25:47,313 --> 00:25:48,114
Come on out.
510
00:25:53,686 --> 00:25:56,055
Walter, you're a big boy now
you go on out to that car.
511
00:25:56,155 --> 00:25:58,490
Hurry up, go on.
512
00:25:58,591 --> 00:26:00,760
DONALD STRADT: At that
time there was four of us
513
00:26:00,860 --> 00:26:02,829
and another one on the way.
514
00:26:02,929 --> 00:26:06,666
And I was just, probably
about 5 1/2 years old.
515
00:26:06,766 --> 00:26:12,672
I didn't know anything about
adoptions or stuff like that.
516
00:26:12,772 --> 00:26:16,475
And I thought we was
just going to this home
517
00:26:16,575 --> 00:26:20,146
and later on, we was going
to go back to mama's, see.
518
00:26:20,246 --> 00:26:23,282
Now you just hush
up and sit still.
519
00:26:23,382 --> 00:26:25,618
Sit still.
520
00:26:25,718 --> 00:26:27,219
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Donald Stradt's mother
521
00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:30,757
could do little to prevent the
state from taking her children.
522
00:26:30,857 --> 00:26:35,294
She was pregnant with her
fifth child and unable to work.
523
00:26:35,394 --> 00:26:37,296
A few months earlier,
Donald's father
524
00:26:37,396 --> 00:26:41,467
had suffered a nervous breakdown
and had been institutionalized.
525
00:26:41,567 --> 00:26:44,136
The children who ranged in
age from two to 9 years old,
526
00:26:44,236 --> 00:26:47,139
were usually left to
their own devices , until
527
00:26:47,239 --> 00:26:48,340
the authorities stepped in.
528
00:26:52,211 --> 00:26:55,748
Two of the brothers were sent
to Iowa state youth facilities.
529
00:26:55,848 --> 00:26:58,584
Donald and his sister Dolores
were taken to a Lutheran
530
00:26:58,685 --> 00:27:00,419
children's home where
they were placed
531
00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:02,855
in the care of the head nurse .
532
00:27:02,955 --> 00:27:04,657
You need to take
a little rest.
533
00:27:04,757 --> 00:27:06,125
Dolores, here's your bottle.
534
00:27:06,225 --> 00:27:07,126
Mhm-hmm.
535
00:27:07,226 --> 00:27:08,594
Let me try.
536
00:27:12,464 --> 00:27:14,466
DONALD STRADT (VOICEOVER): Even
though I wasn't the oldest boy,
537
00:27:14,566 --> 00:27:16,302
I was the babysitter.
538
00:27:16,402 --> 00:27:20,372
And I played with my
sister and I enjoyed that.
539
00:27:20,472 --> 00:27:22,274
I'd push around a
little tricycle.
540
00:27:22,374 --> 00:27:28,347
And brush her hair
and take care of her.
541
00:27:28,447 --> 00:27:32,418
I always liked to help
her, this is my sister.
542
00:27:32,518 --> 00:27:34,320
Donald, here's some bananas.
543
00:27:34,420 --> 00:27:36,588
You feed it to your sister.
544
00:27:36,689 --> 00:27:38,090
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Within days, Donald
545
00:27:38,190 --> 00:27:40,092
realized that he and
his sister would not
546
00:27:40,192 --> 00:27:41,861
be going back to their mother.
547
00:27:41,961 --> 00:27:44,196
Donald cooperated
with the nurse,
548
00:27:44,296 --> 00:27:46,699
but was always alert for a
chance to take his sister
549
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:47,599
and escape.
550
00:27:50,236 --> 00:27:51,738
DONALD STRADT (VOICEOVER):
This nurse basically,
551
00:27:51,838 --> 00:27:54,707
she was busy in the kitchen.
552
00:27:54,807 --> 00:27:58,544
She had her back turned to us
and I guess you 'bout to say
553
00:27:58,644 --> 00:28:01,013
she was intent on her job.
554
00:28:01,113 --> 00:28:05,651
And so I just took my sister
out the door, right quite.
555
00:28:13,993 --> 00:28:16,362
This was our chance to go home.
556
00:28:16,462 --> 00:28:20,199
And I sneaked her out the
door and down the steps
557
00:28:20,299 --> 00:28:24,303
and out to this
old Model-A Ford.
558
00:28:24,403 --> 00:28:29,141
And I opened it up and helped
her in on to the floor.
559
00:28:29,241 --> 00:28:31,477
And I helped her up on
the seat and I told her,
560
00:28:31,577 --> 00:28:33,980
now you sit right there. 'Cause
we're going home to see mama.
561
00:28:42,288 --> 00:28:44,023
I didn't know anything
about cars really
562
00:28:44,123 --> 00:28:46,658
but I knew if you pushed
that button down on the floor
563
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:48,260
that car would go.
564
00:28:53,966 --> 00:28:58,104
I had to look out the window
and hang on the steering wheel
565
00:28:58,204 --> 00:29:00,272
and then I'd get down
and push that button.
566
00:29:00,372 --> 00:29:02,174
That car would go
ahead a little bit.
567
00:29:02,274 --> 00:29:03,876
And then I'd get up
and take another look
568
00:29:03,976 --> 00:29:08,347
and I was trying to get this car
down there on that main road.
569
00:29:08,447 --> 00:29:10,349
I didn't know which way I
was going when I got there
570
00:29:10,449 --> 00:29:12,819
but I knew that
road, I came in on it
571
00:29:12,919 --> 00:29:14,286
and I need to leave by it.
572
00:29:20,226 --> 00:29:21,660
What do you
think you're doing?
573
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:22,561
Let go of me.
574
00:29:22,661 --> 00:29:23,662
I wanna see my mama.
575
00:29:23,762 --> 00:29:24,864
You get out of
that car right now.
576
00:29:24,964 --> 00:29:26,165
Don't you know you
could kill somebody?
577
00:29:26,265 --> 00:29:27,299
DONALD STRADT
(VOICEOVER): The car
578
00:29:27,399 --> 00:29:28,700
door was just kind
of jerked open
579
00:29:28,801 --> 00:29:32,138
and she reached in and
grabbed me up by the collar
580
00:29:32,238 --> 00:29:34,406
and went to thrashing on me.
581
00:29:34,506 --> 00:29:37,109
And I couldn't tell you
today whether she whipped me
582
00:29:37,209 --> 00:29:38,945
with her hand or
whether she had a board
583
00:29:39,045 --> 00:29:41,547
or whether she had
a strap or anything.
584
00:29:41,647 --> 00:29:47,119
But I didn't, I knew
she was whipping me
585
00:29:47,219 --> 00:29:49,421
but I didn't feel no pain and
I was fighting her because I
586
00:29:49,521 --> 00:29:52,524
was wanting to go home.
587
00:29:52,624 --> 00:29:54,460
Donald, there's some cookies
for you in the kitchen,
588
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,028
if you'd like them.
589
00:29:56,128 --> 00:29:57,329
Thank you.
590
00:29:57,429 --> 00:29:58,730
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Two weeks later, unbeknownst
591
00:29:58,831 --> 00:30:00,732
to Donald, Dolores was adopted.
592
00:30:00,833 --> 00:30:01,700
Come on baby.
593
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,102
We're going to
get you a new home.
594
00:30:07,173 --> 00:30:09,341
These people come
and took Dolores away.
595
00:30:09,441 --> 00:30:13,512
I didn't know what the
deal was but I thought,
596
00:30:13,612 --> 00:30:16,015
well they're gonna
bring her back here.
597
00:30:16,115 --> 00:30:20,519
Because me and her was
family and that's all I had.
598
00:30:26,625 --> 00:30:29,996
I kept asking this
woman, where's my sister?
599
00:30:30,096 --> 00:30:31,730
And--
600
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:33,099
Where's my sister?
601
00:30:33,199 --> 00:30:34,466
DONALD STRADT: --I
want my sister.
602
00:30:34,566 --> 00:30:37,569
And she'd tell me, well you
just don't need to know.
603
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:41,307
And that, it ain't
none of your business.
604
00:30:41,407 --> 00:30:44,176
And stuff like that.
605
00:30:44,276 --> 00:30:46,879
And of course I got unruly
and ornery because I
606
00:30:46,979 --> 00:30:47,779
was wanting my sister.
607
00:30:50,849 --> 00:30:52,952
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The
separation was short lived.
608
00:30:53,052 --> 00:30:55,554
Dolores's adoptive
parents sent for Donald
609
00:30:55,654 --> 00:30:57,356
as soon as they
realized that she was
610
00:30:57,456 --> 00:30:59,425
more than they could handle.
611
00:30:59,525 --> 00:31:04,696
Like the nurses at the home,
they turned to Donald for help.
612
00:31:04,796 --> 00:31:05,998
DONALD STRADT: Dolores
wasn't adjusting
613
00:31:06,098 --> 00:31:09,268
to these folks or bond
with these folks, at first.
614
00:31:09,368 --> 00:31:14,073
And just cried and wanted
her brother and stuff.
615
00:31:14,173 --> 00:31:18,710
Because we'd been together
and these people were
616
00:31:18,810 --> 00:31:19,946
strangers to her.
617
00:31:24,483 --> 00:31:26,852
(DOLORES CRYING)
618
00:31:28,955 --> 00:31:31,590
She just cried and
wouldn't eat or whatever.
619
00:31:31,690 --> 00:31:34,226
And that's the reason
they come and got me.
620
00:31:34,326 --> 00:31:37,863
So I could be a quieting
factor, you might say.
621
00:31:37,964 --> 00:31:39,365
It's all right, baby.
622
00:31:39,465 --> 00:31:40,832
It's all right.
623
00:31:53,012 --> 00:31:54,180
Ready?
624
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,514
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Under Donald's influence,
625
00:31:55,614 --> 00:31:57,116
Dolores began to adjust.
626
00:31:57,216 --> 00:31:59,385
Donald even stayed
on for a few days
627
00:31:59,485 --> 00:32:01,720
but was expected to remain
well in the background.
628
00:32:01,820 --> 00:32:03,622
ADOPTIVE MOM: OK, your turn.
629
00:32:03,722 --> 00:32:05,524
(DOLORES LAUGHS)
630
00:32:05,624 --> 00:32:06,925
I like--
631
00:32:07,026 --> 00:32:08,794
DONALD STRADT (VOICEOVER): These
people got Dolores where she'd
632
00:32:08,894 --> 00:32:11,097
eat for him and play with them.
633
00:32:11,197 --> 00:32:15,534
And they treated her quite well.
634
00:32:15,634 --> 00:32:20,973
And I don't know, a day or two,
whatever, this nurse come back.
635
00:32:21,073 --> 00:32:23,009
And she said--
636
00:32:23,109 --> 00:32:26,878
Donny, you want to
go downtown with me?
637
00:32:26,979 --> 00:32:28,480
DONALD STRADT (VOICEOVER):
I remember looking up
638
00:32:28,580 --> 00:32:32,451
and this woman was
feeding my little sister
639
00:32:32,551 --> 00:32:37,023
and I thought, well,
everything's all right.
640
00:32:37,123 --> 00:32:42,361
And yeah, I'd like
to go downtown.
641
00:32:42,461 --> 00:32:43,695
I'm five 1/2 years old.
642
00:32:43,795 --> 00:32:46,232
I love to ride in automobiles.
643
00:32:46,332 --> 00:32:48,800
Of course, I didn't realize
this automobile wasn't
644
00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:50,736
ever going to bring me back.
645
00:32:50,836 --> 00:32:54,340
And we got in the
car and we drove off
646
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,275
and I haven't seen
my sister since.
647
00:33:00,979 --> 00:33:06,052
I think of Dolores
almost every day.
648
00:33:06,152 --> 00:33:07,153
She's still my sister.
649
00:33:07,253 --> 00:33:10,722
Don't matter what time has done.
650
00:33:10,822 --> 00:33:14,860
Want to try and to catch up
with 50 years of time, somehow.
651
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,664
I'd like to her neck and
tell her I missed her.
652
00:33:18,764 --> 00:33:19,565
Yeah.
653
00:33:22,601 --> 00:33:24,370
Donald Stradt and
his two brothers
654
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:26,672
as well as another sister
born after the family was
655
00:33:26,772 --> 00:33:30,842
split apart, were
all reunited in 1965.
656
00:33:30,942 --> 00:33:32,711
Their father remained
institutionalized
657
00:33:32,811 --> 00:33:34,913
for the rest of his
life and their mother
658
00:33:35,013 --> 00:33:37,116
was granted a divorce.
659
00:33:37,216 --> 00:33:40,386
Velma Stradt remarried and
had five more children.
660
00:33:40,486 --> 00:33:43,021
So now there are nine
siblings all looking
661
00:33:43,122 --> 00:33:46,592
for their lost sister, Dolores.
662
00:33:46,692 --> 00:33:47,826
Update.
663
00:33:47,926 --> 00:33:50,496
Just minutes after we
first broadcast this story,
664
00:33:50,596 --> 00:33:53,965
a woman named Penelope Sue
Lewis of Bolivar, Missouri,
665
00:33:54,066 --> 00:33:56,802
called our telecenter and
identified herself as Donald
666
00:33:56,902 --> 00:33:59,505
Stradt's long lost sister.
667
00:33:59,605 --> 00:34:02,040
Donald was overjoyed to
discover that Penelope
668
00:34:02,141 --> 00:34:04,910
lived just 50 miles from his
home in Stoutland, Missouri.
669
00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:12,218
Three days later, at a
park near Penelope's home,
670
00:34:12,318 --> 00:34:14,653
Donald, Penelope, and
their extended families
671
00:34:14,753 --> 00:34:18,957
gathered for a heartwarming
and long overdue reunion.
672
00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:19,925
All right.
673
00:34:23,995 --> 00:34:27,866
God, it's been so many years.
674
00:34:27,966 --> 00:34:30,702
DONALD STRADT: I love her,
I always have loved her.
675
00:34:30,802 --> 00:34:34,673
And sometimes when I get
alone and just think about it
676
00:34:34,773 --> 00:34:36,975
I'd just sit down and cry.
677
00:34:37,075 --> 00:34:41,713
And I don't mind crying this
time because I'm already there.
678
00:34:41,813 --> 00:34:44,450
Yeah, already there.
679
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:47,186
I got another surprise for you.
680
00:34:47,286 --> 00:34:48,820
Yeah?
681
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,556
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Soon after Donald arrived,
682
00:34:50,656 --> 00:34:52,258
Penelope shared
a poignant moment
683
00:34:52,358 --> 00:34:54,193
with her natural mother
Velma, whom she had
684
00:34:54,293 --> 00:34:55,827
not seen in more than 50 years.
685
00:35:02,801 --> 00:35:05,704
I never thought
I'd see this day.
686
00:35:05,804 --> 00:35:06,938
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): The reunion
687
00:35:07,038 --> 00:35:09,007
was a culmination of
an emotional roller
688
00:35:09,107 --> 00:35:11,610
coaster ride which
had begun 72 hours
689
00:35:11,710 --> 00:35:16,848
earlier when Penelope sat down
to watch "Unsolved Mysteries".
690
00:35:16,948 --> 00:35:19,751
I try not to miss any
because I like to watch
691
00:35:19,851 --> 00:35:22,020
it for the reunions and things.
692
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,755
And I thought, I've
always thought, well,
693
00:35:23,855 --> 00:35:25,957
maybe someday it'll be my turn.
694
00:35:26,057 --> 00:35:29,395
And all of a sudden, it dawned
on me, well, I, that's me.
695
00:35:29,495 --> 00:35:31,497
That's my family.
696
00:35:31,597 --> 00:35:33,565
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
For Penelope, the gathering
697
00:35:33,665 --> 00:35:35,634
was also the chance
to meet all the family
698
00:35:35,734 --> 00:35:37,969
members she never knew she had.
699
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:40,239
One full sister,
two half sisters,
700
00:35:40,339 --> 00:35:43,475
three half brothers,
and countless nephews,
701
00:35:43,575 --> 00:35:44,443
nieces, and cousins.
702
00:35:47,446 --> 00:35:49,915
DONALD STRADT: We'll
just probably try
703
00:35:50,015 --> 00:35:52,050
to get everybody
acquainted with everybody
704
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:54,720
and just go from there.
705
00:35:54,820 --> 00:35:55,887
- Family get togethers?
- Yeah.
706
00:35:55,987 --> 00:35:57,289
Yeah, that's right.
707
00:35:57,389 --> 00:35:59,758
Yeah.
708
00:35:59,858 --> 00:36:03,061
PENELOPE SUE LEWIS:
I felt so helpless.
709
00:36:03,161 --> 00:36:05,664
I felt like I didn't belong.
710
00:36:05,764 --> 00:36:07,032
And now I'm at peace.
711
00:36:13,104 --> 00:36:15,607
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Next,
a woman is brutally abducted
712
00:36:15,707 --> 00:36:17,509
from a car wash in Texas.
713
00:36:27,353 --> 00:36:29,821
Most of us never imagine
that we will become
714
00:36:29,921 --> 00:36:32,391
part of an unsolved mystery.
715
00:36:32,491 --> 00:36:34,426
That we will suddenly
hear a scream in the night
716
00:36:34,526 --> 00:36:38,297
and find ourselves involved
in a criminal investigation.
717
00:36:38,397 --> 00:36:39,998
Yet, that is exactly
what happened
718
00:36:40,098 --> 00:36:45,103
to three young men in Austin,
Texas on December 29, 1991.
719
00:36:45,203 --> 00:36:49,475
All because they happened to
cross paths with a kidnapper.
720
00:36:49,575 --> 00:36:53,245
At 8:55 PM, Steve
Marks was on his way
721
00:36:53,345 --> 00:36:55,213
to meet his two
brothers-in-law at a friend's
722
00:36:55,314 --> 00:36:57,115
house on Powell Street.
723
00:36:57,215 --> 00:36:58,884
Less than a block
from the house,
724
00:36:58,984 --> 00:37:00,852
he pulled behind
a tan colored car.
725
00:37:03,489 --> 00:37:05,457
STEPHEN MARKS: That evening in
question, I was driving down
726
00:37:05,557 --> 00:37:08,294
Powell Street and I
noticed a car in front
727
00:37:08,394 --> 00:37:10,161
of me driving very slowly.
728
00:37:10,262 --> 00:37:13,965
I followed it down the
street and I pulled
729
00:37:14,065 --> 00:37:15,100
in front of my friend's house.
730
00:37:21,006 --> 00:37:22,674
The car in the
meantime, had pulled up
731
00:37:22,774 --> 00:37:26,678
into the parking garage
ahead of my friend's house.
732
00:37:26,778 --> 00:37:30,349
And my brother-in-laws
arrived about a minute later.
733
00:37:33,585 --> 00:37:34,986
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Mike and Bill Goins
734
00:37:35,086 --> 00:37:38,056
had encountered the same car
two blocks from the house,
735
00:37:38,156 --> 00:37:40,959
going the wrong way
on a one way street.
736
00:37:41,059 --> 00:37:42,594
And when they
stopped and we stopped,
737
00:37:42,694 --> 00:37:45,030
they looked at us like,
what do we do next?
738
00:37:45,130 --> 00:37:49,200
And we looked at them like, OK,
you fools, get out of the way.
739
00:37:49,301 --> 00:37:51,570
And that gave us an
opportunity to see them
740
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:54,205
but unfortunately,
there was no reason
741
00:37:54,306 --> 00:37:56,575
for us to try to memorize
their faces or anything.
742
00:37:56,675 --> 00:37:59,244
And it was just two people
passing in the night.
743
00:38:05,651 --> 00:38:07,853
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): At
9 PM, Mike and Bill Goin's
744
00:38:07,953 --> 00:38:09,955
rendezvoused with Steve Marks.
745
00:38:10,055 --> 00:38:13,625
The house where they met was
just 200 feet from a 24-hour
746
00:38:13,725 --> 00:38:15,093
do it yourself car wash.
747
00:38:15,193 --> 00:38:16,161
I don't know.
748
00:38:16,261 --> 00:38:17,329
We were thinking of
going out we to eat.
749
00:38:17,429 --> 00:38:18,564
STEPHEN MARKS: Well,
we could go over
750
00:38:18,664 --> 00:38:19,631
to my house for some spaghetti.
751
00:38:19,731 --> 00:38:22,934
(WOMAN SCREAMING)
752
00:38:24,936 --> 00:38:26,905
STEPHEN MARKS: When we are on
the porch, all we could see
753
00:38:27,005 --> 00:38:30,141
was the side of the
car wash and the vacuum
754
00:38:30,241 --> 00:38:34,346
canisters where cars are
vacuumed outside of the stalls.
755
00:38:34,446 --> 00:38:39,418
So when we heard the scream
and the car door or trunk slam,
756
00:38:39,518 --> 00:38:42,153
all we saw was the car pull out.
757
00:38:42,253 --> 00:38:45,591
(SCREECHING BRAKES)
758
00:38:47,158 --> 00:38:50,762
As we saw the car pull out
the wrong way on Fifth Street
759
00:38:50,862 --> 00:38:53,098
I realized that that
was the same car
760
00:38:53,198 --> 00:38:56,835
that I had pulled
behind on Powell Street
761
00:38:56,935 --> 00:39:00,539
and that had made the U-turn
in the parking garage.
762
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:04,175
And the car that later,
Mike and Bill had said
763
00:39:04,275 --> 00:39:07,946
had confronted him going the
wrong way on Powell Street,
764
00:39:08,046 --> 00:39:10,281
pulling out on to Sixth Street.
765
00:39:10,382 --> 00:39:11,650
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
A few seconds
766
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:17,489
later, Steve Marks and Bill
Goins arrived at the car wash.
767
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:21,627
Unlike most nights, it
was eerily deserted.
768
00:39:21,727 --> 00:39:23,729
STEPHEN MARKS: We
walked up to the car,
769
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:29,067
we saw a purse, the keys and
then Bill suggested I go back
770
00:39:29,167 --> 00:39:32,237
to the house and call
the police because we
771
00:39:32,337 --> 00:39:33,171
figured something was wrong.
772
00:39:37,308 --> 00:39:39,077
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The
owner of the abandoned car
773
00:39:39,177 --> 00:39:41,279
was identified as
28-year-old Colleen
774
00:39:41,379 --> 00:39:43,849
Reed, a Certified Public
Accountant, who had
775
00:39:43,949 --> 00:39:45,383
lived in Austin for four years.
776
00:39:48,420 --> 00:39:50,055
Police traced
Colleen's movements
777
00:39:50,155 --> 00:39:51,857
in the day of the crime.
778
00:39:51,957 --> 00:39:55,260
She arrived at the car
wash around 9:10 PM.
779
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,329
Earlier that day, she had gone
to church with her boyfriend.
780
00:39:58,430 --> 00:40:01,800
Then, she spent several hours
doing community volunteer work.
781
00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:04,670
That evening, Colleen
went to the market
782
00:40:04,770 --> 00:40:06,938
and then withdrew cash
from her bank machine,
783
00:40:07,038 --> 00:40:09,307
before ending up
at the car wash.
784
00:40:09,407 --> 00:40:12,143
Police believe that Colleen
was kidnapped by the two
785
00:40:12,243 --> 00:40:13,845
men in the tan colored vehicle.
786
00:40:32,831 --> 00:40:33,732
No!
787
00:40:33,832 --> 00:40:36,234
No, no, no!
788
00:40:40,806 --> 00:40:43,675
(SQUEALING TIRES)
789
00:40:46,311 --> 00:40:50,549
SGT. MARTIN: We have a situation
where after they have abducted
790
00:40:50,649 --> 00:40:52,217
Colleen Reed, they
went the wrong way
791
00:40:52,317 --> 00:40:54,553
on Fifth Street and
almost collided head
792
00:40:54,653 --> 00:40:55,987
on with two vehicles.
793
00:40:56,087 --> 00:40:59,390
We have not heard from the
drivers or the people that have
794
00:40:59,491 --> 00:41:00,759
occupied those two vehicles.
795
00:41:00,859 --> 00:41:04,830
So hopefully this show
will maybe bring these two
796
00:41:04,930 --> 00:41:06,632
people forward that may
have some information
797
00:41:06,732 --> 00:41:08,967
that will help us.
798
00:41:09,067 --> 00:41:11,136
I've almost convinced
myself that we
799
00:41:11,236 --> 00:41:12,303
will someday see her again.
800
00:41:12,403 --> 00:41:14,272
That she's being held somewhere.
801
00:41:14,372 --> 00:41:16,675
And I know that that's
what we want to believe
802
00:41:16,775 --> 00:41:18,777
and the reality is,
that's probably not true.
803
00:41:18,877 --> 00:41:23,181
But there is a possibility.
804
00:41:23,281 --> 00:41:28,787
I think about when do
I just say OK, it's over,
805
00:41:28,887 --> 00:41:31,957
something happened,
something horrible.
806
00:41:32,057 --> 00:41:35,293
I don't know if I'll
ever be able to do that.
807
00:41:35,393 --> 00:41:38,730
I've gone on with my
life in a lot of ways.
808
00:41:38,830 --> 00:41:42,601
I'm, I work and take
care of my children
809
00:41:42,701 --> 00:41:44,870
and do the things I need to do.
810
00:41:44,970 --> 00:41:51,276
But there's an empty place that
I've had a hard time filling.
811
00:41:54,145 --> 00:41:55,146
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Update.
812
00:41:55,246 --> 00:41:57,315
A suspect is in custody.
813
00:41:57,415 --> 00:42:00,051
Just last week a man
named Alva Hank Worley
814
00:42:00,151 --> 00:42:02,420
was arrested in Belton, Texas.
815
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,756
He admitted involvement
in the kidnapping
816
00:42:04,856 --> 00:42:08,159
but denied knowing Colleen
Reed's current whereabouts.
817
00:42:08,259 --> 00:42:11,496
However, Worley insisted that
she was still alive last time
818
00:42:11,597 --> 00:42:12,998
he saw her.
819
00:42:13,098 --> 00:42:16,534
Police are now looking for
this man, Kenneth Allen McDuff.
820
00:42:16,635 --> 00:42:19,304
He is 46 years old,
6 feet 3 inches
821
00:42:19,404 --> 00:42:22,240
tall and weighs 245 pounds.
822
00:42:22,340 --> 00:42:24,375
McDuff was last
seen in Waco, Texas.
823
00:42:58,109 --> 00:43:00,011
Diabolical mind.
824
00:43:00,111 --> 00:43:03,281
The very phrase evokes
a chilling mystique.
825
00:43:03,381 --> 00:43:05,617
On Sunday, "Unsolved
Mysteries" will present
826
00:43:05,717 --> 00:43:08,854
a special report: an
exploration of the mysteries
827
00:43:08,954 --> 00:43:11,790
of the psychopath.
828
00:43:11,890 --> 00:43:15,026
What forces would transform
this impoverished young boy
829
00:43:15,126 --> 00:43:17,162
into a ruthless dictator?
830
00:43:17,262 --> 00:43:19,931
Saddam Hussein's bloody
and brutal rise to power
831
00:43:20,031 --> 00:43:22,600
was ignited by a single
disturbing trait;
832
00:43:22,701 --> 00:43:28,139
A cunning mind unchecked
by remorse or conscience.
833
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,908
G. Daniel Walker
has been convicted
834
00:43:30,008 --> 00:43:33,945
of crimes ranging from fraud
to armed robbery to murder.
835
00:43:34,045 --> 00:43:35,781
In a remarkable
interview, Walker
836
00:43:35,881 --> 00:43:39,150
provides a revealing glimpse
into a diabolical mind.
837
00:43:39,250 --> 00:43:40,385
--Physical
violence because fear
838
00:43:40,485 --> 00:43:42,153
lives with you 24 hours a day.
839
00:43:42,253 --> 00:43:43,388
Fear never goes away.
840
00:43:43,488 --> 00:43:46,624
If you kill somebody,
that's over.
841
00:43:46,725 --> 00:43:48,626
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): When
her husband and children fell
842
00:43:48,727 --> 00:43:50,595
victim to a series of
mysterious illnesses
843
00:43:50,696 --> 00:43:54,499
Marie Hilley was a devoted
and caring wife and mother.
844
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:57,769
In time, her son began
to suspect the worst.
845
00:43:57,869 --> 00:44:01,606
His mother was poisoning
her own family.
846
00:44:01,707 --> 00:44:04,175
MICHAEL HILLEY: The world
as I knew it at that point
847
00:44:04,275 --> 00:44:05,811
just fell apart.
848
00:44:05,911 --> 00:44:10,615
Everything that my mother had
taught me, right from wrong,
849
00:44:10,716 --> 00:44:11,582
I had to go back and re-exam.
850
00:44:14,485 --> 00:44:18,456
Join me, Sunday night at 8:00
for this very special and very
851
00:44:18,556 --> 00:44:21,693
different edition of
"Unsolved Mysteries",
852
00:44:21,793 --> 00:44:24,662
Case Studies of the
Diabolical Mind.
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