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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:19,787 --> 00:00:20,821 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The saga 2 00:00:20,921 --> 00:00:22,623 of Noah's ark, one of "The Bible's" 3 00:00:22,723 --> 00:00:27,061 most enduring stories is now the focus of a tantalizing debate. 4 00:00:27,161 --> 00:00:28,896 Was there truly a great flood, which 5 00:00:28,996 --> 00:00:33,201 Noah following the instructions of God, managed to survive? 6 00:00:33,301 --> 00:00:35,069 In recent years two research expeditions 7 00:00:35,169 --> 00:00:37,971 have combed the mountains of Ararat in Turkey. 8 00:00:38,072 --> 00:00:40,108 The incredible, both believe they 9 00:00:40,208 --> 00:00:42,410 may have found the remnants of Noah's ark, 10 00:00:42,510 --> 00:00:45,779 in two separate locations. 11 00:00:45,879 --> 00:00:48,916 In Austin, Texas, three men noticed a strange car 12 00:00:49,016 --> 00:00:50,584 cruising their neighborhood. 13 00:00:50,684 --> 00:00:53,754 Moments later, they heard the desperate screams of a woman. 14 00:00:53,854 --> 00:00:58,592 And they were caught up in the search for a brutal kidnapper. 15 00:00:58,692 --> 00:01:01,862 Join me for another addition of "Unsolved Mysteries". 16 00:01:01,962 --> 00:01:04,332 [theme music] 17 00:01:55,048 --> 00:01:58,886 Noah's ark, one of the most famous and evocative 18 00:01:58,986 --> 00:02:01,889 of all bible stories. 19 00:02:01,989 --> 00:02:05,693 As recorded in "Genesis", the first book of The Bible, 20 00:02:05,793 --> 00:02:08,095 God looked down upon the earth he had created 21 00:02:08,196 --> 00:02:10,898 and saw it had become evil and wicked. 22 00:02:10,998 --> 00:02:13,467 He came to a righteous man named Noah 23 00:02:13,567 --> 00:02:17,838 and ordered him to build an ark. 24 00:02:17,938 --> 00:02:21,209 And God said to Noah, make rooms in the ark 25 00:02:21,309 --> 00:02:24,912 and cover it inside and outside with pitch. 26 00:02:25,012 --> 00:02:27,915 You shall make it with lower, second, and third decks. 27 00:02:32,586 --> 00:02:34,788 And of every living thing, of all flesh, 28 00:02:34,888 --> 00:02:36,890 you shall bring two of every sort 29 00:02:36,990 --> 00:02:39,660 into the ark to keep them alive with you. 30 00:02:43,997 --> 00:02:47,901 And so it came to pass, God brought forth a great flood. 31 00:02:48,001 --> 00:02:50,371 [thunderstorm] 32 00:02:53,907 --> 00:02:56,109 For 40 days and 40 nights, rain 33 00:02:56,210 --> 00:02:57,144 descended from the heavens. 34 00:03:03,217 --> 00:03:05,819 All living things were destroyed, save 35 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,290 for the occupants of the ark. 36 00:03:09,390 --> 00:03:12,192 [ocean waves crashing] 37 00:03:17,998 --> 00:03:19,567 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): When the waters receded, 38 00:03:19,667 --> 00:03:23,537 God said to Noah, bring out with you every living thing 39 00:03:23,637 --> 00:03:26,240 of all flesh that is with you so that they 40 00:03:26,340 --> 00:03:28,976 may abound on the Earth and be fruitful and multiply. 41 00:03:31,745 --> 00:03:34,448 So ends the story of Noah's ark. 42 00:03:34,548 --> 00:03:37,217 But for centuries, people have wondered, 43 00:03:37,318 --> 00:03:39,720 was a story based on fact? 44 00:03:39,820 --> 00:03:42,790 Or was it a legend handed down from generation 45 00:03:42,890 --> 00:03:46,360 to generation as a symbolic morality play 46 00:03:46,460 --> 00:03:49,963 in a hostile and corrupt world? 47 00:03:50,063 --> 00:03:52,500 Contrary to popular belief, The Bible 48 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,868 was not the original telling the story 49 00:03:54,968 --> 00:03:57,938 of Noah and the great flood. 50 00:03:58,038 --> 00:04:00,374 In ancient Babylonia and Sumerian, 51 00:04:00,474 --> 00:04:03,076 the same story was recorded thousands of years 52 00:04:03,176 --> 00:04:04,978 before "The Bible" was written. 53 00:04:08,316 --> 00:04:12,219 Even here in North America the early Spanish explorers were 54 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,221 starting to discover the Hopi Indians 55 00:04:14,322 --> 00:04:16,724 told a tale that was remarkably similar to the story 56 00:04:16,824 --> 00:04:18,492 of Noah's ark. 57 00:04:18,592 --> 00:04:21,595 In fact, no fewer than 200 variations of the legend 58 00:04:21,695 --> 00:04:24,698 could be found in cultures throughout the world. 59 00:04:24,798 --> 00:04:25,966 Leading many to believe that there 60 00:04:26,066 --> 00:04:30,137 was indeed a cataclysmic flood thousands of years ago. 61 00:04:30,237 --> 00:04:31,739 In recent times, some researchers 62 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,374 have seized upon this speculation 63 00:04:33,474 --> 00:04:36,043 and gone in search of definitive proof, 64 00:04:36,143 --> 00:04:37,978 the remains of Noah's ark. 65 00:04:40,714 --> 00:04:43,317 According to Middle Eastern versions of the story, 66 00:04:43,417 --> 00:04:46,219 the ark was built near the ancient city of Shuruppak, 67 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,156 in what is now Iraq. 68 00:04:49,256 --> 00:04:51,525 In the book of "Genesis" chapter 8, 69 00:04:51,625 --> 00:04:53,494 The Bible says the ark came to rest 70 00:04:53,594 --> 00:04:55,563 on the mountains of Ararat, which 71 00:04:55,663 --> 00:04:57,030 are in present day Turkey. 72 00:04:57,130 --> 00:04:59,232 More than 500 miles from Shuruppak. 73 00:05:03,437 --> 00:05:06,173 It is a desolate, sparsely populated region. 74 00:05:06,273 --> 00:05:10,911 Rising above the headwaters of the Tigris River. 75 00:05:11,011 --> 00:05:14,147 In recent years, several separate research expeditions 76 00:05:14,247 --> 00:05:16,717 have explored the mountains of Ararat. 77 00:05:16,817 --> 00:05:19,787 Incredibly, two separate teams both believe 78 00:05:19,887 --> 00:05:24,224 they may have found the ark, in two different locations, 17 79 00:05:24,324 --> 00:05:26,827 miles apart. 80 00:05:26,927 --> 00:05:30,030 One of the sites lies on the Northeast side of Mount Ararat 81 00:05:30,130 --> 00:05:34,668 under a permanent 23 square mile glacier. 82 00:05:34,768 --> 00:05:38,872 In 1969, a Turkish businessman named George Hagopian, 83 00:05:38,972 --> 00:05:42,443 went public with a remarkable story. 84 00:05:42,543 --> 00:05:45,245 He claimed that as a young boy in 1906, 85 00:05:45,345 --> 00:05:47,581 he had actually seen Noah's ark wedged 86 00:05:47,681 --> 00:05:51,318 in a glacier from which the ice had temporarily receded. 87 00:05:51,419 --> 00:05:54,622 Hagobian described the vessel to archaeological illustrator 88 00:05:54,722 --> 00:05:56,690 Elfred Lee. 89 00:05:56,790 --> 00:05:59,159 ELFRED LEE: He said it looked like a long box. 90 00:05:59,259 --> 00:06:02,896 It's rectangular and the corners were 91 00:06:02,996 --> 00:06:05,032 kind of rounded a little bit. 92 00:06:05,132 --> 00:06:07,768 The sides sloped in, slightly. 93 00:06:07,868 --> 00:06:10,137 The roof, he said, was basically flat 94 00:06:10,237 --> 00:06:13,040 with just a slight pitch to it. 95 00:06:13,140 --> 00:06:16,343 And there was a stair kind of a apparatus at one end. 96 00:06:16,444 --> 00:06:19,980 His uncle hoisted him up onto this ladder 97 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,483 and he walked on up onto the roof. 98 00:06:22,583 --> 00:06:24,485 And there all the way down the middle of the roof 99 00:06:24,585 --> 00:06:26,720 he saw these holes. 100 00:06:26,820 --> 00:06:28,722 And he stuck his head in and it was dark, 101 00:06:28,822 --> 00:06:32,225 he shouted and his voice echoed and re-echoed inside. 102 00:06:32,325 --> 00:06:34,728 It was hollow. 103 00:06:34,828 --> 00:06:37,397 George Hagopian went back a couple of years later, 104 00:06:37,498 --> 00:06:39,166 saw the same thing. 105 00:06:39,266 --> 00:06:44,237 But ice and snow were beginning to cover it up again. 106 00:06:44,337 --> 00:06:46,474 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): 17 years later, Elfred Lee 107 00:06:46,574 --> 00:06:49,009 was introduced to a man named Ed Davis, 108 00:06:49,109 --> 00:06:53,146 who in 1943 was stationed in Iran with the US Army. 109 00:06:53,246 --> 00:06:56,917 He too, claimed he had seen the ark. 110 00:06:57,017 --> 00:07:02,055 When Ed Davis started talking, the hair on the back of my head 111 00:07:02,155 --> 00:07:03,323 just stood up. 112 00:07:03,423 --> 00:07:07,127 Because I could like hear an echo of George Hagopian 113 00:07:07,227 --> 00:07:09,463 from years before. 114 00:07:09,563 --> 00:07:10,931 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Ed Davis' sighting 115 00:07:11,031 --> 00:07:14,568 occurred in roughly the same area as George Hogopian's. 116 00:07:14,668 --> 00:07:17,170 However, when Davis saw what he thought was the ark, 117 00:07:17,270 --> 00:07:19,807 it had broken in two. 118 00:07:19,907 --> 00:07:25,112 We waited a while and the fog kind of lifted 119 00:07:25,212 --> 00:07:30,117 and it shown through kind of a funnel. 120 00:07:30,217 --> 00:07:34,387 And it showed they ark, in the end. 121 00:07:34,488 --> 00:07:37,390 You could see in the end of it. 122 00:07:37,491 --> 00:07:40,260 And we saw both parts. 123 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,064 You stand there with your mouth wide open. 124 00:07:44,164 --> 00:07:46,800 ELFRED LEE (VOICEOVER): Ed Davis described three decks inside 125 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:50,137 and large cages on the bottom deck. 126 00:07:50,237 --> 00:07:53,206 Smaller cages on the second deck. 127 00:07:53,306 --> 00:07:58,445 And on the roof a venting system with many holes on it. 128 00:07:58,546 --> 00:08:02,716 And, so that you could see how the light and ventilation could 129 00:08:02,816 --> 00:08:06,687 go clear to the bottom deck. 130 00:08:06,787 --> 00:08:08,188 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In this illustration 131 00:08:08,288 --> 00:08:11,224 Elfred Lee has reconciled the two accounts. 132 00:08:11,324 --> 00:08:15,763 The intact art depicts George Hagopian's sighting in 1906. 133 00:08:15,863 --> 00:08:20,968 Below are the two pieces as described by Ed Davis. 134 00:08:21,068 --> 00:08:23,771 However, Hagopian and Davis are unable to pinpoint 135 00:08:23,871 --> 00:08:26,273 the exact locations of the sightings 136 00:08:26,373 --> 00:08:29,577 but their stories helped spark the interest of Don Schockey 137 00:08:29,677 --> 00:08:32,580 an amateur archeologist. 138 00:08:32,680 --> 00:08:34,281 I can't think of anything more exciting 139 00:08:34,381 --> 00:08:36,550 that I could be doing in my lifetime 140 00:08:36,650 --> 00:08:38,952 than having a small part in seeing 141 00:08:39,052 --> 00:08:41,388 this, whatever it is, verified. 142 00:08:41,488 --> 00:08:42,690 And we have good reason to believe 143 00:08:42,790 --> 00:08:44,758 it's, there's something there. 144 00:08:44,858 --> 00:08:45,993 And we got, we've got to prove it. 145 00:08:50,397 --> 00:08:52,666 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In 1989, Don Schockey launched 146 00:08:52,766 --> 00:08:55,636 an expedition to Mount Ararat. 147 00:08:55,736 --> 00:08:58,205 The mountain is on the easternmost edge of Turkey 148 00:08:58,305 --> 00:09:01,408 bordered by Iran and the Georgia Democratic Republic, 149 00:09:01,508 --> 00:09:04,578 formerly a part of the Soviet Union. 150 00:09:04,678 --> 00:09:06,847 Schockey chose his destination based 151 00:09:06,947 --> 00:09:09,983 upon classified US satellite photographs, which have 152 00:09:10,083 --> 00:09:13,587 been analyzed by an expert. 153 00:09:13,687 --> 00:09:16,356 For three days, Don Schockey and his guides 154 00:09:16,456 --> 00:09:21,028 made their way up the south side of the mountain. 155 00:09:21,128 --> 00:09:23,631 Our whole goal was to get to the spot, 156 00:09:23,731 --> 00:09:27,735 over the top, down the glaciers to this particular location 157 00:09:27,835 --> 00:09:31,939 and verify what the satellite information had told us. 158 00:09:32,039 --> 00:09:33,841 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): However, the Turkish government 159 00:09:33,941 --> 00:09:37,210 restricts access to the north side of Mount Ararat, 160 00:09:37,310 --> 00:09:39,512 foreigners are forbidden. 161 00:09:39,613 --> 00:09:43,250 One of the Turkish guides, Amet, continued on with camera 162 00:09:43,350 --> 00:09:44,117 in hand. 163 00:09:46,954 --> 00:09:51,558 Amet crested Mount Ararat and started down the north slope. 164 00:09:51,659 --> 00:09:55,528 At this point, at an elevation of nearly 16,000 feet, 165 00:09:55,629 --> 00:09:58,799 he spotted something half buried in the snow. 166 00:09:58,899 --> 00:10:02,535 From a distance of 300 yards, he took this photograph, 167 00:10:02,636 --> 00:10:05,505 which seems to show the end of a rectangular object 168 00:10:05,605 --> 00:10:07,975 with a peaked roof. 169 00:10:08,075 --> 00:10:11,611 DON SCHOCKEY: He came back and I said, is anything showing? 170 00:10:11,712 --> 00:10:14,147 He said, a coop, a coop. 171 00:10:14,247 --> 00:10:15,649 And I said, what are you talking about, Amet? 172 00:10:15,749 --> 00:10:17,317 A coop, a coop. 173 00:10:17,417 --> 00:10:18,385 Like a chicken coop. 174 00:10:18,485 --> 00:10:19,753 Oh. 175 00:10:19,853 --> 00:10:21,722 It kind of had a pointed top and he said that you could see 176 00:10:21,822 --> 00:10:23,657 the outline of it in the side. 177 00:10:23,757 --> 00:10:26,694 He said, in all of my years you've 178 00:10:26,794 --> 00:10:27,961 never seen anything like it. 179 00:10:28,061 --> 00:10:31,832 He said, there's some artifact there. 180 00:10:31,932 --> 00:10:33,100 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Don Schockey 181 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,002 believed that Amet might have discovered 182 00:10:35,102 --> 00:10:37,537 the remains of Noah's ark. 183 00:10:37,637 --> 00:10:39,606 Schockey returned to the United States 184 00:10:39,707 --> 00:10:42,743 where he took the photograph to forensic anthropologist, Dr. 185 00:10:42,843 --> 00:10:45,545 Jim Ebert. 186 00:10:45,645 --> 00:10:47,881 DR. JIM EBERT: It certainly does not look natural. 187 00:10:47,981 --> 00:10:51,551 It looks very strikingly man-made to me. 188 00:10:51,651 --> 00:10:54,688 Of course there are no scale cues in here 189 00:10:54,788 --> 00:10:57,524 so we can't really tell how big it is. 190 00:10:57,624 --> 00:11:01,494 What I see when I look at this, is something that stands out 191 00:11:01,594 --> 00:11:04,497 from the rest of the terrain. 192 00:11:04,597 --> 00:11:09,269 And that is a, what looks like a solid structure. 193 00:11:09,369 --> 00:11:11,138 You'll never know until you get up there 194 00:11:11,238 --> 00:11:14,708 and can see it and stand next to it. 195 00:11:14,808 --> 00:11:18,445 But it's, the rectilinear outline 196 00:11:18,545 --> 00:11:24,051 suggests to me that this isn't a normal part of a glacier. 197 00:11:24,151 --> 00:11:25,953 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In 1990, Schockey 198 00:11:26,053 --> 00:11:27,955 returned to Mount Ararat and undertook 199 00:11:28,055 --> 00:11:30,357 an extensive aerial search. 200 00:11:30,457 --> 00:11:32,993 Unfortunately, the site photographed by Amet 201 00:11:33,093 --> 00:11:35,695 had been completely covered with snow. 202 00:11:35,796 --> 00:11:38,065 Schockey was forced to abandon his effort 203 00:11:38,165 --> 00:11:39,599 but remains convinced that he has 204 00:11:39,699 --> 00:11:42,770 probably found the resting place of Noah's ark. 205 00:11:42,870 --> 00:11:45,505 Others disagree. 206 00:11:45,605 --> 00:11:48,541 We've been told for years that Noah's ark is on top of Mount 207 00:11:48,641 --> 00:11:50,377 Ararat because that's what "The Bible" says 208 00:11:50,477 --> 00:11:52,512 and that's not what "The Bible" says. 209 00:11:52,612 --> 00:11:54,848 "The Bible" says the ark came to rest 210 00:11:54,948 --> 00:11:56,984 on, upon the mountains of Ararat, 211 00:11:57,084 --> 00:11:58,218 that word is in the plural. 212 00:11:58,318 --> 00:11:59,586 And if we-- 213 00:11:59,686 --> 00:12:01,221 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): David Fasold is a former Merchant 214 00:12:01,321 --> 00:12:03,957 Marine Officer and merchant salvage expert, 215 00:12:04,057 --> 00:12:05,458 who believes that the ark is buried 216 00:12:05,558 --> 00:12:07,828 beneath this unusual mound. 217 00:12:07,928 --> 00:12:11,698 A full 17 miles south of Mount Ararat. 218 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:15,102 Fasold's team has made several expeditions to the area. 219 00:12:15,202 --> 00:12:17,704 They have combed the site with a metal detector 220 00:12:17,805 --> 00:12:20,373 and discovered traces of iron beneath the mountain, 221 00:12:20,473 --> 00:12:22,776 which do not appear to be natural deposits. 222 00:12:22,876 --> 00:12:24,978 (METAL DETECTOR BEEPING) 223 00:12:26,413 --> 00:12:28,816 DAVID FASOLD: Every 20 to 30 inches approximately, 224 00:12:28,916 --> 00:12:30,750 we have the remains of an iron fitting 225 00:12:30,851 --> 00:12:32,920 or an iron pin of sorts that are still there 226 00:12:33,020 --> 00:12:36,089 in the soil and discernible. 227 00:12:36,189 --> 00:12:40,894 Well, this is one of 5400 iron fittings that we've located. 228 00:12:40,994 --> 00:12:43,263 Of course, we haven't pulled them all out of the boat. 229 00:12:43,363 --> 00:12:46,299 It's been cut in half by a diamond saw, 230 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:48,401 scanned by electron microscopes at Los 231 00:12:48,501 --> 00:12:50,337 Alamos National Laboratory. 232 00:12:50,437 --> 00:12:53,406 And this particular iron fitting is 233 00:12:53,506 --> 00:12:58,778 94.84% man-made wrought iron. 234 00:12:58,879 --> 00:13:00,313 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Looking at the mound 235 00:13:00,413 --> 00:13:02,749 from above, the iron deposits form 236 00:13:02,850 --> 00:13:04,617 a distinct pattern of intersecting 237 00:13:04,717 --> 00:13:09,222 lines, which Fasold believes is a framework of the ark. 238 00:13:09,322 --> 00:13:11,258 From end to end, the lines measure 239 00:13:11,358 --> 00:13:14,794 515 feet, or 300 cubits. 240 00:13:14,895 --> 00:13:18,531 The length of the arc as recorded as in "The Bible". 241 00:13:18,631 --> 00:13:22,335 The width averages 85 feet, or 50 cubits, 242 00:13:22,435 --> 00:13:27,040 which also corresponds to the biblical dimension. 243 00:13:27,140 --> 00:13:29,242 Given the shape of the thing and the size of the thing 244 00:13:29,342 --> 00:13:30,577 and where they found it. 245 00:13:30,677 --> 00:13:33,013 I mean, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck 246 00:13:33,113 --> 00:13:35,715 until somebody finds something else. 247 00:13:35,815 --> 00:13:39,152 What else could it possibly be but Noah's ark? 248 00:13:39,252 --> 00:13:41,054 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Are the metal fittings remnants 249 00:13:41,154 --> 00:13:42,923 of Noah's ark? 250 00:13:43,023 --> 00:13:45,025 Some have suggested that David Fasold 251 00:13:45,125 --> 00:13:47,227 has, in reality, found the remains 252 00:13:47,327 --> 00:13:49,729 of an ancient Mongol Fort. 253 00:13:49,829 --> 00:13:53,700 Others say it is merely a geological formation. 254 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,335 However, the Turkish government has 255 00:13:55,435 --> 00:13:57,704 declared the mound as the official site 256 00:13:57,804 --> 00:14:00,874 where Noah's ark came to rest. 257 00:14:00,974 --> 00:14:02,876 The man who was in charge, Professor Salih 258 00:14:02,976 --> 00:14:06,646 Bayraktutan, who is also a geologist, 259 00:14:06,746 --> 00:14:08,982 he says it's Noah's ark 200%. 260 00:14:09,082 --> 00:14:14,587 It is not a geological anomaly, it's a man-made structure. 261 00:14:14,687 --> 00:14:15,688 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Has one 262 00:14:15,788 --> 00:14:17,624 of mankind's great mysteries finally 263 00:14:17,724 --> 00:14:20,827 been solved in this remote mountain range? 264 00:14:20,928 --> 00:14:22,495 It seems obvious that Don Schockey 265 00:14:22,595 --> 00:14:24,965 and David Fasold are both investigating 266 00:14:25,065 --> 00:14:26,699 something very unique. 267 00:14:26,799 --> 00:14:29,502 But only years of further exploration 268 00:14:29,602 --> 00:14:31,404 and detailed analysis will reveal 269 00:14:31,504 --> 00:14:33,006 exactly what they have found. 270 00:14:36,509 --> 00:14:40,880 It is tantalizing to think that Noah's ark may actually exist. 271 00:14:40,981 --> 00:14:43,583 However unlikely it may seem, such a discovery 272 00:14:43,683 --> 00:14:45,418 would not be unprecedented. 273 00:14:45,518 --> 00:14:48,755 In fact it was less than 100 years ago that archaeologists 274 00:14:48,855 --> 00:14:51,824 uncovered the ruins of the ancient city of Troy, which had 275 00:14:51,925 --> 00:14:54,294 always been considered a myth. 276 00:14:54,394 --> 00:14:57,797 Finding Noah's ark would no doubt prove more elusive, 277 00:14:57,897 --> 00:15:01,101 perhaps is a story best left as a metaphor. 278 00:15:01,201 --> 00:15:03,203 A cautionary tale for a world that has grown 279 00:15:03,303 --> 00:15:05,905 ever more complex and chaotic. 280 00:15:09,509 --> 00:15:12,980 Next, a young woman is found murdered in Louisiana. 281 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,348 Perhaps you can help identify her killer. 282 00:15:16,883 --> 00:15:19,719 [theme music] 283 00:15:28,061 --> 00:15:30,397 Everything all right out there, Tracy? 284 00:15:30,497 --> 00:15:33,333 They just seated 20 more. 285 00:15:33,433 --> 00:15:35,535 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In November of 1988, 286 00:15:35,635 --> 00:15:39,272 26-year-old Tracy Wofford-Bunn began working as a waitress 287 00:15:39,372 --> 00:15:41,008 in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. 288 00:15:41,108 --> 00:15:43,210 I think they keep coming back. 289 00:15:43,310 --> 00:15:45,212 Same people. 290 00:15:45,312 --> 00:15:46,980 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): She arrived from Milwaukee, 291 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,748 Wisconsin three months earlier. 292 00:15:48,848 --> 00:15:52,519 Looking for a new start in a new city. 293 00:15:52,619 --> 00:15:54,321 SOLOMON BUNN: Tracy was a beautiful person. 294 00:15:54,421 --> 00:15:56,856 Outgoing, fun to be with. 295 00:15:56,956 --> 00:15:59,626 She would do things very spur of the moment. 296 00:15:59,726 --> 00:16:01,728 She could say, well tomorrow I'm going to Minnesota. 297 00:16:01,828 --> 00:16:05,465 Tomorrow she'd go to Minnesota. 298 00:16:05,565 --> 00:16:07,567 With no care whatsoever, wondering about what might 299 00:16:07,667 --> 00:16:09,436 happen, what would happen. 300 00:16:09,536 --> 00:16:10,503 No care. 301 00:16:10,603 --> 00:16:13,473 She knew where she was going. 302 00:16:13,573 --> 00:16:14,907 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Tracy and Solomon 303 00:16:15,008 --> 00:16:17,777 Bunn had married in 1986. 304 00:16:17,877 --> 00:16:21,248 2 1/2 years later, the marriage was on the skids and Tracy 305 00:16:21,348 --> 00:16:23,250 turned to her younger sister Danielle, 306 00:16:23,350 --> 00:16:26,019 who lived in Baton Rouge. 307 00:16:26,119 --> 00:16:27,887 She had spoken many times about leaving 308 00:16:27,987 --> 00:16:31,991 Milwaukee to sort of spread her wings and try something new. 309 00:16:32,092 --> 00:16:35,495 And so she just came to visit me and we had a really good time. 310 00:16:35,595 --> 00:16:38,431 And I introduced her to quite a few different type people. 311 00:16:38,531 --> 00:16:42,069 And so she stayed with me, I think a couple of weeks. 312 00:16:42,169 --> 00:16:44,837 And then she went back home and stayed about a week and a half 313 00:16:44,937 --> 00:16:46,973 and came back down with all of, the rest of her stuff. 314 00:16:49,809 --> 00:16:51,678 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Tracy settled in quickly. 315 00:16:51,778 --> 00:16:54,947 She landed a job and even found a new boyfriend. 316 00:16:55,048 --> 00:16:57,584 It seemed like life was starting all over again. 317 00:17:01,388 --> 00:17:05,158 Then six months later, on the morning of April 1st 1989, 318 00:17:05,258 --> 00:17:08,061 it all came crashing down. 319 00:17:08,161 --> 00:17:10,530 Outside of an apartment complex, a passer 320 00:17:10,630 --> 00:17:13,032 by noticed a young woman apparently asleep 321 00:17:13,133 --> 00:17:15,302 in the front seat of a car. 322 00:17:15,402 --> 00:17:20,073 It quickly became obvious that the young woman was not asleep. 323 00:17:20,173 --> 00:17:23,876 Tracy Wofford-Bunn had been murdered. 324 00:17:23,976 --> 00:17:26,713 About what time was it when you first saw the car? 325 00:17:26,813 --> 00:17:29,749 It was about 8 o'clock when I first saw the car. 326 00:17:29,849 --> 00:17:31,951 And when I came out, it was about 8:30, 327 00:17:32,051 --> 00:17:36,456 to really see what was, was lady asleep or what in the car. 328 00:17:36,556 --> 00:17:37,790 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Tracy had been 329 00:17:37,890 --> 00:17:39,926 raped and strangled to death. 330 00:17:40,026 --> 00:17:43,563 , Oddly investigators found no sign of a struggle. 331 00:17:43,663 --> 00:17:46,366 In fact there were a number of things about the crime scene, 332 00:17:46,466 --> 00:17:47,834 which did not seem quite right. 333 00:17:47,934 --> 00:17:50,137 Clothes all ruffled up and her shoes are missing. 334 00:17:50,237 --> 00:17:52,339 Would you mind taking me a few shots of that? 335 00:17:52,439 --> 00:17:54,274 DETECTIVE WHEELER: Upon examining the body, 336 00:17:54,374 --> 00:17:56,075 we could see that the clothes were 337 00:17:56,176 --> 00:17:59,346 all jumbled up in a fashion that I have seen before. 338 00:17:59,446 --> 00:18:02,849 And it's usually when a person has had their clothing put back 339 00:18:02,949 --> 00:18:05,218 on them and they're either in an unconscious state 340 00:18:05,318 --> 00:18:07,086 or they're deceased. 341 00:18:09,822 --> 00:18:12,091 We also found that the stick shift 342 00:18:12,192 --> 00:18:13,960 was broken off in the car. 343 00:18:14,060 --> 00:18:16,496 Was lying on the floorboard. 344 00:18:16,596 --> 00:18:19,031 I still believe the vehicle could have been driven 345 00:18:19,132 --> 00:18:21,601 but it would have taken somebody with a little expertise 346 00:18:21,701 --> 00:18:23,069 at doing it to drive it with a stick 347 00:18:23,170 --> 00:18:24,304 shift broken off like that. 348 00:18:27,507 --> 00:18:30,610 The motive's the main thing that has me puzzled is, 349 00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:32,044 because there was no robbery. 350 00:18:32,145 --> 00:18:33,846 Jewelry was still on the victim, purse 351 00:18:33,946 --> 00:18:36,048 was there, identification. 352 00:18:36,149 --> 00:18:39,018 This was just a total loss of life, for no reason. 353 00:18:42,255 --> 00:18:44,224 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): With no physical evidence to go on, 354 00:18:44,324 --> 00:18:47,960 Detective Wheeler turned to the people who knew Tracy best. 355 00:18:48,060 --> 00:18:49,596 He started with her new boyfriend. 356 00:18:49,696 --> 00:18:51,264 --That we were together and we just 357 00:18:51,364 --> 00:18:53,666 rode around for a little while. 358 00:18:53,766 --> 00:18:55,268 DETECTIVE WHEELER : You were in Tracy's vehicle? 359 00:18:55,368 --> 00:18:56,936 Yes, yeah, we rode around. 360 00:18:57,036 --> 00:18:58,838 DETECTIVE WHEELER: Well, when I spoke with the boyfriend, 361 00:18:58,938 --> 00:19:03,476 he advised me that about 4:30, March 31, 1989, 362 00:19:03,576 --> 00:19:06,179 he dropped Tracy off at work. 363 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:08,681 And he kept her vehicle. 364 00:19:08,781 --> 00:19:10,717 He and his cousin were riding around in the car 365 00:19:10,817 --> 00:19:14,020 and he was supposed to pick Tracy up that night 366 00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:18,191 at 12 midnight, when she got off work. 367 00:19:18,291 --> 00:19:19,192 Oh, man. 368 00:19:19,292 --> 00:19:20,327 DETECTIVE WHEELER: Unfortunately, he 369 00:19:20,427 --> 00:19:22,161 said the shift lever broke off in the vehicle 370 00:19:22,262 --> 00:19:24,597 at Texas and East Polk. 371 00:19:24,697 --> 00:19:27,334 Then he parked the vehicle and went 372 00:19:27,434 --> 00:19:31,371 to the cousin's house, which is about a half mile away. 373 00:19:31,471 --> 00:19:32,539 Let's go ahead and leave it here. 374 00:19:32,639 --> 00:19:33,973 We'll come back and get it tomorrow. 375 00:19:34,073 --> 00:19:36,276 Let's walk on back to your house. 376 00:19:36,376 --> 00:19:37,410 Tracy's gonna be mad at me. 377 00:19:40,079 --> 00:19:41,381 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Around midnight, 378 00:19:41,481 --> 00:19:43,149 Tracy called her boyfriend and learned 379 00:19:43,250 --> 00:19:44,884 that he had damaged the car. 380 00:19:44,984 --> 00:19:46,353 I'm out of here, Timothy. 381 00:19:46,453 --> 00:19:47,687 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER) : She left 382 00:19:47,787 --> 00:19:50,457 work and walked to his cousin's house, about a mile away. 383 00:19:58,798 --> 00:19:59,766 How you doing, Erik? 384 00:19:59,866 --> 00:20:00,933 Hi, Tracy. 385 00:20:01,033 --> 00:20:01,834 What happened to the car? 386 00:20:01,934 --> 00:20:03,703 It's, it's broke, it's broke. 387 00:20:03,803 --> 00:20:04,971 How'd it break? 388 00:20:05,071 --> 00:20:07,039 I was just, Erik and I would just riding, right Erik? 389 00:20:07,139 --> 00:20:09,542 And the whole shift just snapped off. 390 00:20:09,642 --> 00:20:11,911 A stick shift doesn't just snap off. 391 00:20:12,011 --> 00:20:13,513 Well, you're shift just snap-- you 392 00:20:13,613 --> 00:20:15,648 know all the problems you've had getting it into third gear. 393 00:20:15,748 --> 00:20:17,216 The shift, this time just snapped off. 394 00:20:17,317 --> 00:20:18,618 I don't have any problems. 395 00:20:18,718 --> 00:20:20,487 You're the one causing the problems. 396 00:20:20,587 --> 00:20:21,654 OK, OK Tra-- 397 00:20:21,754 --> 00:20:22,689 Give me the keys. 398 00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:23,790 For what? 399 00:20:23,890 --> 00:20:25,792 So I can go get the car and take care of it. 400 00:20:25,892 --> 00:20:26,793 Say what? 401 00:20:26,893 --> 00:20:27,694 Give me the keys. 402 00:20:30,463 --> 00:20:32,965 Tracy! 403 00:20:33,065 --> 00:20:33,866 Tracy! 404 00:20:39,872 --> 00:20:41,073 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER) : Tracy walked 405 00:20:41,173 --> 00:20:43,776 the half mile to her car. 406 00:20:43,876 --> 00:20:47,747 Police estimate that she arrived around 12:30 AM. 407 00:20:47,847 --> 00:20:49,782 DETECTIVE WHEELER (VOICEOVER): We know she got to the vehicle 408 00:20:49,882 --> 00:20:52,251 because it was locked up by her boyfriend, when 409 00:20:52,352 --> 00:20:53,786 he left it there. 410 00:20:53,886 --> 00:20:56,188 And when we found the vehicle, that next morning 411 00:20:56,289 --> 00:20:58,558 the keys were in the vehicle. 412 00:20:58,658 --> 00:21:02,028 But that is the last place that we could positively 413 00:21:02,128 --> 00:21:03,363 say she was alive in. 414 00:21:03,463 --> 00:21:05,732 When she arrived at the car. 415 00:21:05,832 --> 00:21:06,833 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): An hour 416 00:21:06,933 --> 00:21:09,135 and a half later, Tracy's car was driven 417 00:21:09,235 --> 00:21:11,571 to the apartment complex where she would be found 418 00:21:11,671 --> 00:21:13,573 murdered the next morning. 419 00:21:13,673 --> 00:21:15,608 DETECTIVE WHEELER (VOICEOVER): I was advised by the apartment 420 00:21:15,708 --> 00:21:19,779 manager that there was possibly a witness who saw the vehicle 421 00:21:19,879 --> 00:21:22,649 when it came into the parking lot around 1:30 AM 422 00:21:22,749 --> 00:21:27,186 and saw somebody walk away from it 423 00:21:27,286 --> 00:21:29,322 and didn't pay any much attention to it. 424 00:21:32,058 --> 00:21:34,961 I feel like Tracy Bunn was probably 425 00:21:35,061 --> 00:21:40,400 killed between the hours of 12:30 and 1:30 in the morning. 426 00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:41,734 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Authorities 427 00:21:41,834 --> 00:21:44,537 are particularly disturbed by several unsettling details 428 00:21:44,637 --> 00:21:46,506 surrounding the murder. 429 00:21:46,606 --> 00:21:49,108 Not only had Tracy been raped and strangled 430 00:21:49,208 --> 00:21:51,310 but there were second degree burns on her thighs 431 00:21:51,411 --> 00:21:52,979 and on the back of her hands. 432 00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:54,313 MEDICAL EXAMINER: About nine o'clock. 433 00:21:54,414 --> 00:21:56,215 DETECTIVE WHEELER: We haven't been able to determine what 434 00:21:56,315 --> 00:21:58,918 caused those burns and we've thought 435 00:21:59,018 --> 00:22:00,787 about every type of heating apparatus 436 00:22:00,887 --> 00:22:02,088 or device you could think of. 437 00:22:02,188 --> 00:22:03,823 We just can't find anything that would 438 00:22:03,923 --> 00:22:07,394 make that particular burn. 439 00:22:07,494 --> 00:22:13,800 We also don't understand the method of leaving 440 00:22:13,900 --> 00:22:15,768 the body the way it was. 441 00:22:15,868 --> 00:22:19,338 It was like they wanted this person to be found 442 00:22:19,439 --> 00:22:21,774 and they wanted everybody to see. 443 00:22:21,874 --> 00:22:25,311 I don't know whether these guys were involved in drugs or not. 444 00:22:25,412 --> 00:22:29,716 But when you have a case involving people in narcotics, 445 00:22:29,816 --> 00:22:32,985 if you don't deal with them in a fashion 446 00:22:33,085 --> 00:22:35,321 that they want you to they make an example out of you. 447 00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:40,760 I know someone personally, that was 448 00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:43,095 very heavily involved in drugs. 449 00:22:43,195 --> 00:22:47,133 And he was, I guess he was trying to make 450 00:22:47,233 --> 00:22:49,301 some sort of drug transaction. 451 00:22:49,402 --> 00:22:53,506 And he was told that that person was the person 452 00:22:53,606 --> 00:22:55,241 who had murdered my sister. 453 00:22:55,341 --> 00:22:56,443 Dead by the river. 454 00:22:56,543 --> 00:22:59,111 Man, I think one of those guys killed her, man. 455 00:22:59,211 --> 00:23:00,813 Hey, man let's get out of here. 456 00:23:00,913 --> 00:23:02,048 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Authorities 457 00:23:02,148 --> 00:23:04,717 did investigate a known drug dealer but found 458 00:23:04,817 --> 00:23:07,987 no evidence linking him to the crime. 459 00:23:08,087 --> 00:23:09,722 It's my feeling that her boyfriend 460 00:23:09,822 --> 00:23:11,691 knew something because he had her car that night 461 00:23:11,791 --> 00:23:13,059 while she was at work. 462 00:23:13,159 --> 00:23:15,628 He didn't come and pick her up from work 463 00:23:15,728 --> 00:23:18,364 at the agreed upon time. 464 00:23:18,465 --> 00:23:20,032 Apparently, when she went by his cousin's house 465 00:23:20,132 --> 00:23:23,870 to pick up the car, he told her that it was broken 466 00:23:23,970 --> 00:23:26,038 and that you go on ahead. 467 00:23:26,138 --> 00:23:28,775 And it doesn't sound like a likely story for the person who 468 00:23:28,875 --> 00:23:30,409 was supposed to be involved with my sister 469 00:23:30,510 --> 00:23:33,312 to just sort of throw her to the wolves at 12 470 00:23:33,412 --> 00:23:34,280 or 1 o'clock at night. 471 00:23:37,550 --> 00:23:38,885 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Tracy's boyfriend 472 00:23:38,985 --> 00:23:42,489 and his cousin were each given two polygraph examinations. 473 00:23:42,589 --> 00:23:45,291 They both passed the test and are not considered suspects. 474 00:23:45,391 --> 00:23:47,026 Always had problems with the stick shift. 475 00:23:47,126 --> 00:23:48,628 And the transmission getting into third. 476 00:23:48,728 --> 00:23:50,897 DETECTIVE WHEELER: I've worked a number of homicides 477 00:23:50,997 --> 00:23:55,535 and this one, I feel has just a few pieces of the puzzle 478 00:23:55,635 --> 00:23:57,537 that haven't fell in place yet. 479 00:23:57,637 --> 00:24:00,607 And I know it's a solvable case. 480 00:24:00,707 --> 00:24:03,342 And it's frustrating for me as well 481 00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:07,747 for for Tracy's family to not know who these killers are. 482 00:24:07,847 --> 00:24:14,286 Because they're walking around scot-free today and Tracy's 483 00:24:14,386 --> 00:24:16,388 gone. 484 00:24:16,489 --> 00:24:18,625 It's, even now it's hard to believe, 485 00:24:18,725 --> 00:24:20,627 even though I've seen her body. 486 00:24:20,727 --> 00:24:23,996 I've seen her, I've buried her. 487 00:24:24,096 --> 00:24:26,699 I've heard all this different information, 488 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:28,635 all the details and everything. 489 00:24:28,735 --> 00:24:31,237 And still, it's really difficult to believe. 490 00:24:31,337 --> 00:24:33,072 Because I really don't know what happened 491 00:24:33,172 --> 00:24:34,473 and I think if I knew what happened 492 00:24:34,574 --> 00:24:37,209 I'd be able to believe that it's happened 493 00:24:37,309 --> 00:24:39,311 and sort of leave it behind me. 494 00:24:59,666 --> 00:25:00,933 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): When we 495 00:25:01,033 --> 00:25:04,871 return the touching story of a mans search for his sister. 496 00:25:04,971 --> 00:25:07,039 A search, which has spanned half a century. 497 00:25:17,984 --> 00:25:21,020 1941 Ottumwa, Iowa. 498 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:24,190 A family is about to be torn apart. 499 00:25:24,290 --> 00:25:25,958 Three brothers and a sister have been 500 00:25:26,058 --> 00:25:28,294 left in the care of their aunt, who fearing 501 00:25:28,394 --> 00:25:30,863 for the children's well-being has contacted 502 00:25:30,963 --> 00:25:33,399 the child welfare department. 503 00:25:33,499 --> 00:25:35,234 [knock on door] 504 00:25:35,334 --> 00:25:40,439 Walter, Donald, Richard, Dolores, I need to take 505 00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:42,374 you to your new home now. 506 00:25:42,474 --> 00:25:43,843 Come out please. 507 00:25:43,943 --> 00:25:45,578 You kids get on out here, we're gonna 508 00:25:45,678 --> 00:25:47,213 take you to a decent home. 509 00:25:47,313 --> 00:25:48,114 Come on out. 510 00:25:53,686 --> 00:25:56,055 Walter, you're a big boy now you go on out to that car. 511 00:25:56,155 --> 00:25:58,490 Hurry up, go on. 512 00:25:58,591 --> 00:26:00,760 DONALD STRADT: At that time there was four of us 513 00:26:00,860 --> 00:26:02,829 and another one on the way. 514 00:26:02,929 --> 00:26:06,666 And I was just, probably about 5 1/2 years old. 515 00:26:06,766 --> 00:26:12,672 I didn't know anything about adoptions or stuff like that. 516 00:26:12,772 --> 00:26:16,475 And I thought we was just going to this home 517 00:26:16,575 --> 00:26:20,146 and later on, we was going to go back to mama's, see. 518 00:26:20,246 --> 00:26:23,282 Now you just hush up and sit still. 519 00:26:23,382 --> 00:26:25,618 Sit still. 520 00:26:25,718 --> 00:26:27,219 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Donald Stradt's mother 521 00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:30,757 could do little to prevent the state from taking her children. 522 00:26:30,857 --> 00:26:35,294 She was pregnant with her fifth child and unable to work. 523 00:26:35,394 --> 00:26:37,296 A few months earlier, Donald's father 524 00:26:37,396 --> 00:26:41,467 had suffered a nervous breakdown and had been institutionalized. 525 00:26:41,567 --> 00:26:44,136 The children who ranged in age from two to 9 years old, 526 00:26:44,236 --> 00:26:47,139 were usually left to their own devices , until 527 00:26:47,239 --> 00:26:48,340 the authorities stepped in. 528 00:26:52,211 --> 00:26:55,748 Two of the brothers were sent to Iowa state youth facilities. 529 00:26:55,848 --> 00:26:58,584 Donald and his sister Dolores were taken to a Lutheran 530 00:26:58,685 --> 00:27:00,419 children's home where they were placed 531 00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:02,855 in the care of the head nurse . 532 00:27:02,955 --> 00:27:04,657 You need to take a little rest. 533 00:27:04,757 --> 00:27:06,125 Dolores, here's your bottle. 534 00:27:06,225 --> 00:27:07,126 Mhm-hmm. 535 00:27:07,226 --> 00:27:08,594 Let me try. 536 00:27:12,464 --> 00:27:14,466 DONALD STRADT (VOICEOVER): Even though I wasn't the oldest boy, 537 00:27:14,566 --> 00:27:16,302 I was the babysitter. 538 00:27:16,402 --> 00:27:20,372 And I played with my sister and I enjoyed that. 539 00:27:20,472 --> 00:27:22,274 I'd push around a little tricycle. 540 00:27:22,374 --> 00:27:28,347 And brush her hair and take care of her. 541 00:27:28,447 --> 00:27:32,418 I always liked to help her, this is my sister. 542 00:27:32,518 --> 00:27:34,320 Donald, here's some bananas. 543 00:27:34,420 --> 00:27:36,588 You feed it to your sister. 544 00:27:36,689 --> 00:27:38,090 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Within days, Donald 545 00:27:38,190 --> 00:27:40,092 realized that he and his sister would not 546 00:27:40,192 --> 00:27:41,861 be going back to their mother. 547 00:27:41,961 --> 00:27:44,196 Donald cooperated with the nurse, 548 00:27:44,296 --> 00:27:46,699 but was always alert for a chance to take his sister 549 00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:47,599 and escape. 550 00:27:50,236 --> 00:27:51,738 DONALD STRADT (VOICEOVER): This nurse basically, 551 00:27:51,838 --> 00:27:54,707 she was busy in the kitchen. 552 00:27:54,807 --> 00:27:58,544 She had her back turned to us and I guess you 'bout to say 553 00:27:58,644 --> 00:28:01,013 she was intent on her job. 554 00:28:01,113 --> 00:28:05,651 And so I just took my sister out the door, right quite. 555 00:28:13,993 --> 00:28:16,362 This was our chance to go home. 556 00:28:16,462 --> 00:28:20,199 And I sneaked her out the door and down the steps 557 00:28:20,299 --> 00:28:24,303 and out to this old Model-A Ford. 558 00:28:24,403 --> 00:28:29,141 And I opened it up and helped her in on to the floor. 559 00:28:29,241 --> 00:28:31,477 And I helped her up on the seat and I told her, 560 00:28:31,577 --> 00:28:33,980 now you sit right there. 'Cause we're going home to see mama. 561 00:28:42,288 --> 00:28:44,023 I didn't know anything about cars really 562 00:28:44,123 --> 00:28:46,658 but I knew if you pushed that button down on the floor 563 00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:48,260 that car would go. 564 00:28:53,966 --> 00:28:58,104 I had to look out the window and hang on the steering wheel 565 00:28:58,204 --> 00:29:00,272 and then I'd get down and push that button. 566 00:29:00,372 --> 00:29:02,174 That car would go ahead a little bit. 567 00:29:02,274 --> 00:29:03,876 And then I'd get up and take another look 568 00:29:03,976 --> 00:29:08,347 and I was trying to get this car down there on that main road. 569 00:29:08,447 --> 00:29:10,349 I didn't know which way I was going when I got there 570 00:29:10,449 --> 00:29:12,819 but I knew that road, I came in on it 571 00:29:12,919 --> 00:29:14,286 and I need to leave by it. 572 00:29:20,226 --> 00:29:21,660 What do you think you're doing? 573 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:22,561 Let go of me. 574 00:29:22,661 --> 00:29:23,662 I wanna see my mama. 575 00:29:23,762 --> 00:29:24,864 You get out of that car right now. 576 00:29:24,964 --> 00:29:26,165 Don't you know you could kill somebody? 577 00:29:26,265 --> 00:29:27,299 DONALD STRADT (VOICEOVER): The car 578 00:29:27,399 --> 00:29:28,700 door was just kind of jerked open 579 00:29:28,801 --> 00:29:32,138 and she reached in and grabbed me up by the collar 580 00:29:32,238 --> 00:29:34,406 and went to thrashing on me. 581 00:29:34,506 --> 00:29:37,109 And I couldn't tell you today whether she whipped me 582 00:29:37,209 --> 00:29:38,945 with her hand or whether she had a board 583 00:29:39,045 --> 00:29:41,547 or whether she had a strap or anything. 584 00:29:41,647 --> 00:29:47,119 But I didn't, I knew she was whipping me 585 00:29:47,219 --> 00:29:49,421 but I didn't feel no pain and I was fighting her because I 586 00:29:49,521 --> 00:29:52,524 was wanting to go home. 587 00:29:52,624 --> 00:29:54,460 Donald, there's some cookies for you in the kitchen, 588 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,028 if you'd like them. 589 00:29:56,128 --> 00:29:57,329 Thank you. 590 00:29:57,429 --> 00:29:58,730 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Two weeks later, unbeknownst 591 00:29:58,831 --> 00:30:00,732 to Donald, Dolores was adopted. 592 00:30:00,833 --> 00:30:01,700 Come on baby. 593 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,102 We're going to get you a new home. 594 00:30:07,173 --> 00:30:09,341 These people come and took Dolores away. 595 00:30:09,441 --> 00:30:13,512 I didn't know what the deal was but I thought, 596 00:30:13,612 --> 00:30:16,015 well they're gonna bring her back here. 597 00:30:16,115 --> 00:30:20,519 Because me and her was family and that's all I had. 598 00:30:26,625 --> 00:30:29,996 I kept asking this woman, where's my sister? 599 00:30:30,096 --> 00:30:31,730 And-- 600 00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:33,099 Where's my sister? 601 00:30:33,199 --> 00:30:34,466 DONALD STRADT: --I want my sister. 602 00:30:34,566 --> 00:30:37,569 And she'd tell me, well you just don't need to know. 603 00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:41,307 And that, it ain't none of your business. 604 00:30:41,407 --> 00:30:44,176 And stuff like that. 605 00:30:44,276 --> 00:30:46,879 And of course I got unruly and ornery because I 606 00:30:46,979 --> 00:30:47,779 was wanting my sister. 607 00:30:50,849 --> 00:30:52,952 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The separation was short lived. 608 00:30:53,052 --> 00:30:55,554 Dolores's adoptive parents sent for Donald 609 00:30:55,654 --> 00:30:57,356 as soon as they realized that she was 610 00:30:57,456 --> 00:30:59,425 more than they could handle. 611 00:30:59,525 --> 00:31:04,696 Like the nurses at the home, they turned to Donald for help. 612 00:31:04,796 --> 00:31:05,998 DONALD STRADT: Dolores wasn't adjusting 613 00:31:06,098 --> 00:31:09,268 to these folks or bond with these folks, at first. 614 00:31:09,368 --> 00:31:14,073 And just cried and wanted her brother and stuff. 615 00:31:14,173 --> 00:31:18,710 Because we'd been together and these people were 616 00:31:18,810 --> 00:31:19,946 strangers to her. 617 00:31:24,483 --> 00:31:26,852 (DOLORES CRYING) 618 00:31:28,955 --> 00:31:31,590 She just cried and wouldn't eat or whatever. 619 00:31:31,690 --> 00:31:34,226 And that's the reason they come and got me. 620 00:31:34,326 --> 00:31:37,863 So I could be a quieting factor, you might say. 621 00:31:37,964 --> 00:31:39,365 It's all right, baby. 622 00:31:39,465 --> 00:31:40,832 It's all right. 623 00:31:53,012 --> 00:31:54,180 Ready? 624 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,514 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Under Donald's influence, 625 00:31:55,614 --> 00:31:57,116 Dolores began to adjust. 626 00:31:57,216 --> 00:31:59,385 Donald even stayed on for a few days 627 00:31:59,485 --> 00:32:01,720 but was expected to remain well in the background. 628 00:32:01,820 --> 00:32:03,622 ADOPTIVE MOM: OK, your turn. 629 00:32:03,722 --> 00:32:05,524 (DOLORES LAUGHS) 630 00:32:05,624 --> 00:32:06,925 I like-- 631 00:32:07,026 --> 00:32:08,794 DONALD STRADT (VOICEOVER): These people got Dolores where she'd 632 00:32:08,894 --> 00:32:11,097 eat for him and play with them. 633 00:32:11,197 --> 00:32:15,534 And they treated her quite well. 634 00:32:15,634 --> 00:32:20,973 And I don't know, a day or two, whatever, this nurse come back. 635 00:32:21,073 --> 00:32:23,009 And she said-- 636 00:32:23,109 --> 00:32:26,878 Donny, you want to go downtown with me? 637 00:32:26,979 --> 00:32:28,480 DONALD STRADT (VOICEOVER): I remember looking up 638 00:32:28,580 --> 00:32:32,451 and this woman was feeding my little sister 639 00:32:32,551 --> 00:32:37,023 and I thought, well, everything's all right. 640 00:32:37,123 --> 00:32:42,361 And yeah, I'd like to go downtown. 641 00:32:42,461 --> 00:32:43,695 I'm five 1/2 years old. 642 00:32:43,795 --> 00:32:46,232 I love to ride in automobiles. 643 00:32:46,332 --> 00:32:48,800 Of course, I didn't realize this automobile wasn't 644 00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:50,736 ever going to bring me back. 645 00:32:50,836 --> 00:32:54,340 And we got in the car and we drove off 646 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,275 and I haven't seen my sister since. 647 00:33:00,979 --> 00:33:06,052 I think of Dolores almost every day. 648 00:33:06,152 --> 00:33:07,153 She's still my sister. 649 00:33:07,253 --> 00:33:10,722 Don't matter what time has done. 650 00:33:10,822 --> 00:33:14,860 Want to try and to catch up with 50 years of time, somehow. 651 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,664 I'd like to her neck and tell her I missed her. 652 00:33:18,764 --> 00:33:19,565 Yeah. 653 00:33:22,601 --> 00:33:24,370 Donald Stradt and his two brothers 654 00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:26,672 as well as another sister born after the family was 655 00:33:26,772 --> 00:33:30,842 split apart, were all reunited in 1965. 656 00:33:30,942 --> 00:33:32,711 Their father remained institutionalized 657 00:33:32,811 --> 00:33:34,913 for the rest of his life and their mother 658 00:33:35,013 --> 00:33:37,116 was granted a divorce. 659 00:33:37,216 --> 00:33:40,386 Velma Stradt remarried and had five more children. 660 00:33:40,486 --> 00:33:43,021 So now there are nine siblings all looking 661 00:33:43,122 --> 00:33:46,592 for their lost sister, Dolores. 662 00:33:46,692 --> 00:33:47,826 Update. 663 00:33:47,926 --> 00:33:50,496 Just minutes after we first broadcast this story, 664 00:33:50,596 --> 00:33:53,965 a woman named Penelope Sue Lewis of Bolivar, Missouri, 665 00:33:54,066 --> 00:33:56,802 called our telecenter and identified herself as Donald 666 00:33:56,902 --> 00:33:59,505 Stradt's long lost sister. 667 00:33:59,605 --> 00:34:02,040 Donald was overjoyed to discover that Penelope 668 00:34:02,141 --> 00:34:04,910 lived just 50 miles from his home in Stoutland, Missouri. 669 00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:12,218 Three days later, at a park near Penelope's home, 670 00:34:12,318 --> 00:34:14,653 Donald, Penelope, and their extended families 671 00:34:14,753 --> 00:34:18,957 gathered for a heartwarming and long overdue reunion. 672 00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:19,925 All right. 673 00:34:23,995 --> 00:34:27,866 God, it's been so many years. 674 00:34:27,966 --> 00:34:30,702 DONALD STRADT: I love her, I always have loved her. 675 00:34:30,802 --> 00:34:34,673 And sometimes when I get alone and just think about it 676 00:34:34,773 --> 00:34:36,975 I'd just sit down and cry. 677 00:34:37,075 --> 00:34:41,713 And I don't mind crying this time because I'm already there. 678 00:34:41,813 --> 00:34:44,450 Yeah, already there. 679 00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:47,186 I got another surprise for you. 680 00:34:47,286 --> 00:34:48,820 Yeah? 681 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,556 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Soon after Donald arrived, 682 00:34:50,656 --> 00:34:52,258 Penelope shared a poignant moment 683 00:34:52,358 --> 00:34:54,193 with her natural mother Velma, whom she had 684 00:34:54,293 --> 00:34:55,827 not seen in more than 50 years. 685 00:35:02,801 --> 00:35:05,704 I never thought I'd see this day. 686 00:35:05,804 --> 00:35:06,938 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The reunion 687 00:35:07,038 --> 00:35:09,007 was a culmination of an emotional roller 688 00:35:09,107 --> 00:35:11,610 coaster ride which had begun 72 hours 689 00:35:11,710 --> 00:35:16,848 earlier when Penelope sat down to watch "Unsolved Mysteries". 690 00:35:16,948 --> 00:35:19,751 I try not to miss any because I like to watch 691 00:35:19,851 --> 00:35:22,020 it for the reunions and things. 692 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,755 And I thought, I've always thought, well, 693 00:35:23,855 --> 00:35:25,957 maybe someday it'll be my turn. 694 00:35:26,057 --> 00:35:29,395 And all of a sudden, it dawned on me, well, I, that's me. 695 00:35:29,495 --> 00:35:31,497 That's my family. 696 00:35:31,597 --> 00:35:33,565 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): For Penelope, the gathering 697 00:35:33,665 --> 00:35:35,634 was also the chance to meet all the family 698 00:35:35,734 --> 00:35:37,969 members she never knew she had. 699 00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:40,239 One full sister, two half sisters, 700 00:35:40,339 --> 00:35:43,475 three half brothers, and countless nephews, 701 00:35:43,575 --> 00:35:44,443 nieces, and cousins. 702 00:35:47,446 --> 00:35:49,915 DONALD STRADT: We'll just probably try 703 00:35:50,015 --> 00:35:52,050 to get everybody acquainted with everybody 704 00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:54,720 and just go from there. 705 00:35:54,820 --> 00:35:55,887 - Family get togethers? - Yeah. 706 00:35:55,987 --> 00:35:57,289 Yeah, that's right. 707 00:35:57,389 --> 00:35:59,758 Yeah. 708 00:35:59,858 --> 00:36:03,061 PENELOPE SUE LEWIS: I felt so helpless. 709 00:36:03,161 --> 00:36:05,664 I felt like I didn't belong. 710 00:36:05,764 --> 00:36:07,032 And now I'm at peace. 711 00:36:13,104 --> 00:36:15,607 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Next, a woman is brutally abducted 712 00:36:15,707 --> 00:36:17,509 from a car wash in Texas. 713 00:36:27,353 --> 00:36:29,821 Most of us never imagine that we will become 714 00:36:29,921 --> 00:36:32,391 part of an unsolved mystery. 715 00:36:32,491 --> 00:36:34,426 That we will suddenly hear a scream in the night 716 00:36:34,526 --> 00:36:38,297 and find ourselves involved in a criminal investigation. 717 00:36:38,397 --> 00:36:39,998 Yet, that is exactly what happened 718 00:36:40,098 --> 00:36:45,103 to three young men in Austin, Texas on December 29, 1991. 719 00:36:45,203 --> 00:36:49,475 All because they happened to cross paths with a kidnapper. 720 00:36:49,575 --> 00:36:53,245 At 8:55 PM, Steve Marks was on his way 721 00:36:53,345 --> 00:36:55,213 to meet his two brothers-in-law at a friend's 722 00:36:55,314 --> 00:36:57,115 house on Powell Street. 723 00:36:57,215 --> 00:36:58,884 Less than a block from the house, 724 00:36:58,984 --> 00:37:00,852 he pulled behind a tan colored car. 725 00:37:03,489 --> 00:37:05,457 STEPHEN MARKS: That evening in question, I was driving down 726 00:37:05,557 --> 00:37:08,294 Powell Street and I noticed a car in front 727 00:37:08,394 --> 00:37:10,161 of me driving very slowly. 728 00:37:10,262 --> 00:37:13,965 I followed it down the street and I pulled 729 00:37:14,065 --> 00:37:15,100 in front of my friend's house. 730 00:37:21,006 --> 00:37:22,674 The car in the meantime, had pulled up 731 00:37:22,774 --> 00:37:26,678 into the parking garage ahead of my friend's house. 732 00:37:26,778 --> 00:37:30,349 And my brother-in-laws arrived about a minute later. 733 00:37:33,585 --> 00:37:34,986 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Mike and Bill Goins 734 00:37:35,086 --> 00:37:38,056 had encountered the same car two blocks from the house, 735 00:37:38,156 --> 00:37:40,959 going the wrong way on a one way street. 736 00:37:41,059 --> 00:37:42,594 And when they stopped and we stopped, 737 00:37:42,694 --> 00:37:45,030 they looked at us like, what do we do next? 738 00:37:45,130 --> 00:37:49,200 And we looked at them like, OK, you fools, get out of the way. 739 00:37:49,301 --> 00:37:51,570 And that gave us an opportunity to see them 740 00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:54,205 but unfortunately, there was no reason 741 00:37:54,306 --> 00:37:56,575 for us to try to memorize their faces or anything. 742 00:37:56,675 --> 00:37:59,244 And it was just two people passing in the night. 743 00:38:05,651 --> 00:38:07,853 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): At 9 PM, Mike and Bill Goin's 744 00:38:07,953 --> 00:38:09,955 rendezvoused with Steve Marks. 745 00:38:10,055 --> 00:38:13,625 The house where they met was just 200 feet from a 24-hour 746 00:38:13,725 --> 00:38:15,093 do it yourself car wash. 747 00:38:15,193 --> 00:38:16,161 I don't know. 748 00:38:16,261 --> 00:38:17,329 We were thinking of going out we to eat. 749 00:38:17,429 --> 00:38:18,564 STEPHEN MARKS: Well, we could go over 750 00:38:18,664 --> 00:38:19,631 to my house for some spaghetti. 751 00:38:19,731 --> 00:38:22,934 (WOMAN SCREAMING) 752 00:38:24,936 --> 00:38:26,905 STEPHEN MARKS: When we are on the porch, all we could see 753 00:38:27,005 --> 00:38:30,141 was the side of the car wash and the vacuum 754 00:38:30,241 --> 00:38:34,346 canisters where cars are vacuumed outside of the stalls. 755 00:38:34,446 --> 00:38:39,418 So when we heard the scream and the car door or trunk slam, 756 00:38:39,518 --> 00:38:42,153 all we saw was the car pull out. 757 00:38:42,253 --> 00:38:45,591 (SCREECHING BRAKES) 758 00:38:47,158 --> 00:38:50,762 As we saw the car pull out the wrong way on Fifth Street 759 00:38:50,862 --> 00:38:53,098 I realized that that was the same car 760 00:38:53,198 --> 00:38:56,835 that I had pulled behind on Powell Street 761 00:38:56,935 --> 00:39:00,539 and that had made the U-turn in the parking garage. 762 00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:04,175 And the car that later, Mike and Bill had said 763 00:39:04,275 --> 00:39:07,946 had confronted him going the wrong way on Powell Street, 764 00:39:08,046 --> 00:39:10,281 pulling out on to Sixth Street. 765 00:39:10,382 --> 00:39:11,650 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): A few seconds 766 00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:17,489 later, Steve Marks and Bill Goins arrived at the car wash. 767 00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:21,627 Unlike most nights, it was eerily deserted. 768 00:39:21,727 --> 00:39:23,729 STEPHEN MARKS: We walked up to the car, 769 00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:29,067 we saw a purse, the keys and then Bill suggested I go back 770 00:39:29,167 --> 00:39:32,237 to the house and call the police because we 771 00:39:32,337 --> 00:39:33,171 figured something was wrong. 772 00:39:37,308 --> 00:39:39,077 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The owner of the abandoned car 773 00:39:39,177 --> 00:39:41,279 was identified as 28-year-old Colleen 774 00:39:41,379 --> 00:39:43,849 Reed, a Certified Public Accountant, who had 775 00:39:43,949 --> 00:39:45,383 lived in Austin for four years. 776 00:39:48,420 --> 00:39:50,055 Police traced Colleen's movements 777 00:39:50,155 --> 00:39:51,857 in the day of the crime. 778 00:39:51,957 --> 00:39:55,260 She arrived at the car wash around 9:10 PM. 779 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,329 Earlier that day, she had gone to church with her boyfriend. 780 00:39:58,430 --> 00:40:01,800 Then, she spent several hours doing community volunteer work. 781 00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:04,670 That evening, Colleen went to the market 782 00:40:04,770 --> 00:40:06,938 and then withdrew cash from her bank machine, 783 00:40:07,038 --> 00:40:09,307 before ending up at the car wash. 784 00:40:09,407 --> 00:40:12,143 Police believe that Colleen was kidnapped by the two 785 00:40:12,243 --> 00:40:13,845 men in the tan colored vehicle. 786 00:40:32,831 --> 00:40:33,732 No! 787 00:40:33,832 --> 00:40:36,234 No, no, no! 788 00:40:40,806 --> 00:40:43,675 (SQUEALING TIRES) 789 00:40:46,311 --> 00:40:50,549 SGT. MARTIN: We have a situation where after they have abducted 790 00:40:50,649 --> 00:40:52,217 Colleen Reed, they went the wrong way 791 00:40:52,317 --> 00:40:54,553 on Fifth Street and almost collided head 792 00:40:54,653 --> 00:40:55,987 on with two vehicles. 793 00:40:56,087 --> 00:40:59,390 We have not heard from the drivers or the people that have 794 00:40:59,491 --> 00:41:00,759 occupied those two vehicles. 795 00:41:00,859 --> 00:41:04,830 So hopefully this show will maybe bring these two 796 00:41:04,930 --> 00:41:06,632 people forward that may have some information 797 00:41:06,732 --> 00:41:08,967 that will help us. 798 00:41:09,067 --> 00:41:11,136 I've almost convinced myself that we 799 00:41:11,236 --> 00:41:12,303 will someday see her again. 800 00:41:12,403 --> 00:41:14,272 That she's being held somewhere. 801 00:41:14,372 --> 00:41:16,675 And I know that that's what we want to believe 802 00:41:16,775 --> 00:41:18,777 and the reality is, that's probably not true. 803 00:41:18,877 --> 00:41:23,181 But there is a possibility. 804 00:41:23,281 --> 00:41:28,787 I think about when do I just say OK, it's over, 805 00:41:28,887 --> 00:41:31,957 something happened, something horrible. 806 00:41:32,057 --> 00:41:35,293 I don't know if I'll ever be able to do that. 807 00:41:35,393 --> 00:41:38,730 I've gone on with my life in a lot of ways. 808 00:41:38,830 --> 00:41:42,601 I'm, I work and take care of my children 809 00:41:42,701 --> 00:41:44,870 and do the things I need to do. 810 00:41:44,970 --> 00:41:51,276 But there's an empty place that I've had a hard time filling. 811 00:41:54,145 --> 00:41:55,146 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Update. 812 00:41:55,246 --> 00:41:57,315 A suspect is in custody. 813 00:41:57,415 --> 00:42:00,051 Just last week a man named Alva Hank Worley 814 00:42:00,151 --> 00:42:02,420 was arrested in Belton, Texas. 815 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,756 He admitted involvement in the kidnapping 816 00:42:04,856 --> 00:42:08,159 but denied knowing Colleen Reed's current whereabouts. 817 00:42:08,259 --> 00:42:11,496 However, Worley insisted that she was still alive last time 818 00:42:11,597 --> 00:42:12,998 he saw her. 819 00:42:13,098 --> 00:42:16,534 Police are now looking for this man, Kenneth Allen McDuff. 820 00:42:16,635 --> 00:42:19,304 He is 46 years old, 6 feet 3 inches 821 00:42:19,404 --> 00:42:22,240 tall and weighs 245 pounds. 822 00:42:22,340 --> 00:42:24,375 McDuff was last seen in Waco, Texas. 823 00:42:58,109 --> 00:43:00,011 Diabolical mind. 824 00:43:00,111 --> 00:43:03,281 The very phrase evokes a chilling mystique. 825 00:43:03,381 --> 00:43:05,617 On Sunday, "Unsolved Mysteries" will present 826 00:43:05,717 --> 00:43:08,854 a special report: an exploration of the mysteries 827 00:43:08,954 --> 00:43:11,790 of the psychopath. 828 00:43:11,890 --> 00:43:15,026 What forces would transform this impoverished young boy 829 00:43:15,126 --> 00:43:17,162 into a ruthless dictator? 830 00:43:17,262 --> 00:43:19,931 Saddam Hussein's bloody and brutal rise to power 831 00:43:20,031 --> 00:43:22,600 was ignited by a single disturbing trait; 832 00:43:22,701 --> 00:43:28,139 A cunning mind unchecked by remorse or conscience. 833 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,908 G. Daniel Walker has been convicted 834 00:43:30,008 --> 00:43:33,945 of crimes ranging from fraud to armed robbery to murder. 835 00:43:34,045 --> 00:43:35,781 In a remarkable interview, Walker 836 00:43:35,881 --> 00:43:39,150 provides a revealing glimpse into a diabolical mind. 837 00:43:39,250 --> 00:43:40,385 --Physical violence because fear 838 00:43:40,485 --> 00:43:42,153 lives with you 24 hours a day. 839 00:43:42,253 --> 00:43:43,388 Fear never goes away. 840 00:43:43,488 --> 00:43:46,624 If you kill somebody, that's over. 841 00:43:46,725 --> 00:43:48,626 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): When her husband and children fell 842 00:43:48,727 --> 00:43:50,595 victim to a series of mysterious illnesses 843 00:43:50,696 --> 00:43:54,499 Marie Hilley was a devoted and caring wife and mother. 844 00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:57,769 In time, her son began to suspect the worst. 845 00:43:57,869 --> 00:44:01,606 His mother was poisoning her own family. 846 00:44:01,707 --> 00:44:04,175 MICHAEL HILLEY: The world as I knew it at that point 847 00:44:04,275 --> 00:44:05,811 just fell apart. 848 00:44:05,911 --> 00:44:10,615 Everything that my mother had taught me, right from wrong, 849 00:44:10,716 --> 00:44:11,582 I had to go back and re-exam. 850 00:44:14,485 --> 00:44:18,456 Join me, Sunday night at 8:00 for this very special and very 851 00:44:18,556 --> 00:44:21,693 different edition of "Unsolved Mysteries", 852 00:44:21,793 --> 00:44:24,662 Case Studies of the Diabolical Mind. 67687

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