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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,672 --> 00:00:07,408 NARRATOR: This program is about unsolved mysteries. 2 00:00:07,508 --> 00:00:09,443 Whenever possible, the actual family members 3 00:00:09,543 --> 00:00:11,345 and police officials have participated 4 00:00:11,445 --> 00:00:12,980 in recreating the events. 5 00:00:13,081 --> 00:00:15,283 What you are about to see is not a news broadcast. 6 00:00:20,321 --> 00:00:21,889 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): On the eve of Halloween, 7 00:00:21,989 --> 00:00:25,693 two intriguing ghost stories on "Unsolved Mysteries." 8 00:00:25,793 --> 00:00:28,729 In its heyday, the old St. James Hotel in New Mexico 9 00:00:28,829 --> 00:00:31,432 was host to a long list of legendary gunslingers 10 00:00:31,532 --> 00:00:32,933 and outlaws. 11 00:00:33,033 --> 00:00:35,035 Today, employees report different kinds 12 00:00:35,136 --> 00:00:39,807 of guests, unearthly visitors that never check out. 13 00:00:39,907 --> 00:00:42,543 For years, June Farris dreamed of a strange house 14 00:00:42,643 --> 00:00:45,279 that she had never seen or even been in. 15 00:00:45,379 --> 00:00:48,349 Later, she found herself living in that same house for years 16 00:00:48,449 --> 00:00:51,085 before the previous owner had been murdered. 17 00:00:51,185 --> 00:00:55,723 She and her family believe that his spirit is still there. 18 00:00:55,823 --> 00:00:57,625 We'll also profile the baffling case 19 00:00:57,725 --> 00:01:02,130 of Mary Anne Perez, who vanished without a trace in 1976. 20 00:01:02,230 --> 00:01:06,066 15 years later, an anonymous caller contacted her family, 21 00:01:06,167 --> 00:01:08,802 claiming that not only was Maryanne still alive, 22 00:01:08,902 --> 00:01:12,473 but she was being held captive against her will. 23 00:01:12,573 --> 00:01:14,975 And authorities need your help to track down 24 00:01:15,075 --> 00:01:17,678 a clever and corpulent conman who masquerades 25 00:01:17,778 --> 00:01:20,614 as a bona fide physician and hoodwinks even the most 26 00:01:20,714 --> 00:01:22,550 sophisticated of victims. 27 00:01:22,650 --> 00:01:25,619 Call him Doctor Fraud. 28 00:01:25,719 --> 00:01:26,754 Join me. 29 00:01:26,854 --> 00:01:29,757 Perhaps you may be able to help solve a mystery 30 00:01:29,857 --> 00:01:31,159 or perhaps you may encounter one that 31 00:01:31,259 --> 00:01:32,593 simply cannot be explained. 32 00:01:32,693 --> 00:01:34,595 [theme music] 33 00:02:24,278 --> 00:02:26,013 Tomorrow brings a one night each year, 34 00:02:26,113 --> 00:02:27,781 which seems to bring out the wide eyed child 35 00:02:27,881 --> 00:02:30,418 in all of us, Halloween. 36 00:02:30,518 --> 00:02:33,454 As darkness falls, our imaginations take flight. 37 00:02:33,554 --> 00:02:37,157 Houses begin to whisper and creek, shadows come to life, 38 00:02:37,258 --> 00:02:40,060 the sky fills with ghosts and goblins. 39 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,029 But in Cimarron, New Mexico, Halloween 40 00:02:42,129 --> 00:02:44,232 is an everyday occurrence at the old St. James 41 00:02:44,332 --> 00:02:47,535 Hotel, which some say is haunted by the spirits of the Wild 42 00:02:47,635 --> 00:02:48,436 West. 43 00:02:53,607 --> 00:02:55,008 When I bought the hotel, I didn't 44 00:02:55,108 --> 00:02:56,944 believe in ghosts at all. 45 00:02:57,044 --> 00:02:58,946 Now, after the convincing evidence 46 00:02:59,046 --> 00:03:01,382 of the last five years, I'm certain that there 47 00:03:01,482 --> 00:03:04,218 are ghosts here. 48 00:03:04,318 --> 00:03:06,220 They are indeed real to me. 49 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,789 They are not something that I have made up. 50 00:03:08,889 --> 00:03:12,726 They are indeed in this hotel. 51 00:03:12,826 --> 00:03:14,362 The ghosts are here. 52 00:03:14,462 --> 00:03:15,396 Are they haunting it? 53 00:03:15,496 --> 00:03:18,899 No, I think they're just living here. 54 00:03:18,999 --> 00:03:23,804 There are places where the emotions have been very strong 55 00:03:23,904 --> 00:03:28,175 and it's something like the energy gets captured or caught, 56 00:03:28,276 --> 00:03:31,479 and this hotel is certainly one of them. 57 00:03:31,579 --> 00:03:33,447 [western piano music playing] 58 00:03:35,783 --> 00:03:37,084 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In its heyday, 59 00:03:37,184 --> 00:03:40,521 the St. James Hotel offered good food, attractive dancing girls, 60 00:03:40,621 --> 00:03:43,324 and comfortable beds for such wild and woolly guests 61 00:03:43,424 --> 00:03:48,429 as Jesse James, Bat Masterson, Annie Oakley, 62 00:03:48,529 --> 00:03:52,300 Doc Holiday, and Wyatt Earp. 63 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,802 But as the glory days of the old west faded, 64 00:03:54,902 --> 00:03:59,072 the hotel fell into disrepair. 65 00:03:59,172 --> 00:04:01,475 Just got one more wall left. 66 00:04:01,575 --> 00:04:02,910 Yeah, we're about finished. 67 00:04:03,010 --> 00:04:04,278 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In 1985, 68 00:04:04,378 --> 00:04:07,047 Ed Sitzberger and his wife, Pat, purchased the St. James. 69 00:04:07,147 --> 00:04:08,248 [inaudible] goes on forever 70 00:04:08,349 --> 00:04:09,583 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): They planned to bring 71 00:04:09,683 --> 00:04:10,918 the old hotel back to life. 72 00:04:11,018 --> 00:04:12,853 Ah, we'll get there. 73 00:04:12,953 --> 00:04:14,755 [lightning and thunder] 74 00:04:17,691 --> 00:04:18,959 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The Sitzbergers 75 00:04:19,059 --> 00:04:22,195 soon discovered that the St. James had a life of its own. 76 00:04:26,166 --> 00:04:27,935 PATRICIA (VOICEOVER): I wanted to see how many leaks ran 77 00:04:28,035 --> 00:04:32,205 the hotel and so I got my friend to come 78 00:04:32,306 --> 00:04:37,144 with me to go through the hotel with our flashlight. 79 00:04:37,244 --> 00:04:39,279 We finished doing all the checking 80 00:04:39,380 --> 00:04:41,315 and put out some buckets here and there, because we did have 81 00:04:41,415 --> 00:04:43,884 some leaks, and then we turned the chandelier off, 82 00:04:43,984 --> 00:04:47,621 and then went downstairs and at the hotel. 83 00:04:47,721 --> 00:04:49,490 And for some reason, I turned back up 84 00:04:49,590 --> 00:04:51,859 and looked back up to the second story, 85 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:54,261 and the chandelier was on. 86 00:04:54,362 --> 00:04:55,629 I don't believe it. 87 00:04:55,729 --> 00:04:57,565 We got to go back in. 88 00:05:02,503 --> 00:05:03,871 I'm sure I turned this off. 89 00:05:03,971 --> 00:05:06,807 [light clicks off] 90 00:05:06,907 --> 00:05:09,009 When we got out and had locked the door, and looked 91 00:05:09,109 --> 00:05:12,846 back up again, and the light was again on. 92 00:05:12,946 --> 00:05:16,249 So we went through the hotel, again, and turned 93 00:05:16,350 --> 00:05:19,186 the chandelier off, and came back down the stairs, 94 00:05:19,286 --> 00:05:20,320 and out again. 95 00:05:20,421 --> 00:05:25,426 Locked the door, looked back up, and it was on. 96 00:05:25,526 --> 00:05:30,330 The last time we went up, we went down the hall 97 00:05:30,431 --> 00:05:32,232 and I turned back to John and I said, 98 00:05:32,332 --> 00:05:33,801 well, the former owners had told us 99 00:05:33,901 --> 00:05:35,769 about some things that had happened 100 00:05:35,869 --> 00:05:36,837 previously in the hotel. 101 00:05:36,937 --> 00:05:39,039 Let me just try something. 102 00:05:39,139 --> 00:05:40,974 And so before I turned the chandelier off, 103 00:05:41,074 --> 00:05:46,847 this time I said, I don't know who you are or why you're here, 104 00:05:46,947 --> 00:05:49,650 but I'm tired and I really don't want to play tonight. 105 00:05:49,750 --> 00:05:53,421 I'm glad you're here, but could we please play another day? 106 00:05:53,521 --> 00:05:56,089 And at that point I pulled the cord on the chandelier 107 00:05:56,189 --> 00:05:59,259 and heard a click, and we turned around and back 108 00:05:59,359 --> 00:06:00,961 down the stairs, and I looked up, 109 00:06:01,061 --> 00:06:02,496 and indeed, the light had stayed off. 110 00:06:02,596 --> 00:06:03,397 All right. 111 00:06:06,667 --> 00:06:08,836 First, I thought maybe it was an electrical problem 112 00:06:08,936 --> 00:06:12,440 because it's an old hotel, but after doing it three or four 113 00:06:12,540 --> 00:06:14,542 times, it couldn't have been. 114 00:06:14,642 --> 00:06:18,378 And I could hear it shut off, and the three times that I shut 115 00:06:18,479 --> 00:06:22,916 it off, the click of the switch, and so there was no reason 116 00:06:23,016 --> 00:06:25,453 for it coming back on. 117 00:06:25,553 --> 00:06:27,421 [click] 118 00:06:27,521 --> 00:06:29,256 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): According to the Sitzbergers, 119 00:06:29,356 --> 00:06:31,158 the hotel is haunted top to bottom. 120 00:06:31,258 --> 00:06:33,060 [clicking] 121 00:06:35,529 --> 00:06:39,232 Guests in room 17 have reported a persistent eerie tapping 122 00:06:39,332 --> 00:06:40,968 noise whenever the window is open. 123 00:06:41,068 --> 00:06:42,903 [clicking speeds up] 124 00:06:48,842 --> 00:06:49,643 [window shuts] 125 00:06:49,743 --> 00:06:53,514 [clicking ceases] 126 00:06:53,614 --> 00:06:55,148 In the kitchen, the cook has witnessed 127 00:06:55,248 --> 00:06:57,184 several bizarre occurrences. 128 00:07:01,354 --> 00:07:04,091 And in May of 1988, Charlie Varela, 129 00:07:04,191 --> 00:07:09,129 a local high school student, was cleaning the bar at 5:00 AM. 130 00:07:09,229 --> 00:07:12,065 Charlie thought he was alone. 131 00:07:12,165 --> 00:07:13,701 CHARLIE (VOICEOVER): It was kind of dark in there 132 00:07:13,801 --> 00:07:18,305 and I was going to back to get some liners for the trash, 133 00:07:18,405 --> 00:07:22,275 and as I was going back to it, I just glanced over to the bar. 134 00:07:22,375 --> 00:07:23,677 And I just-- 135 00:07:23,777 --> 00:07:26,379 I seen a little boy sitting on the bar and spinning the glass. 136 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,315 You can hear it on the table go (WHIRRING), 137 00:07:28,415 --> 00:07:32,119 spinning and just perfectly spinning. 138 00:07:32,219 --> 00:07:35,523 At first, I thought it was a little boy from upstairs, 139 00:07:35,623 --> 00:07:37,691 and he was just down, messing around. 140 00:07:37,791 --> 00:07:38,859 I was going telling him, excuse me, 141 00:07:38,959 --> 00:07:41,094 you're not supposed to be in here. 142 00:07:41,194 --> 00:07:44,431 But when I went to make the move to tell him, he turned around. 143 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,638 CHARLIE (VOICEOVER): His face was hideous. 144 00:07:50,738 --> 00:07:55,909 He just jumped off and just scared me, and I just took off. 145 00:07:56,009 --> 00:07:58,245 I quit that morning. 146 00:07:58,345 --> 00:08:01,048 I just-- seeing that, it scared me, and I didn't want 147 00:08:01,148 --> 00:08:02,182 to work here anymore. 148 00:08:05,185 --> 00:08:06,954 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Dr. Kenneth Wright, a surgeon 149 00:08:07,054 --> 00:08:09,857 and amateur ghost hunter, heard about the spirits at the St. 150 00:08:09,957 --> 00:08:12,492 James and came to investigate. 151 00:08:12,593 --> 00:08:15,529 Let's go inside. 152 00:08:15,629 --> 00:08:19,299 PATRICIA (VOICEOVER): When Dr. Wright asked me to go into room 153 00:08:19,399 --> 00:08:23,236 18, I was a little skeptical because I had been in there 154 00:08:23,336 --> 00:08:26,073 many times before and had felt the chilliness, 155 00:08:26,173 --> 00:08:28,742 and the negativeness in there. 156 00:08:28,842 --> 00:08:31,478 The room was cold, and when I looked up 157 00:08:31,579 --> 00:08:35,515 in the upper left hand corner, the was a whirling that 158 00:08:35,616 --> 00:08:37,250 was going on in the corner. 159 00:08:37,350 --> 00:08:38,786 You couldn't see the corner of the room. 160 00:08:38,886 --> 00:08:42,189 It was like a white swirl. 161 00:08:42,289 --> 00:08:44,925 There was this anger and hatred, 162 00:08:45,025 --> 00:08:47,761 and instantly, I was filled with terror. 163 00:08:47,861 --> 00:08:51,531 I was gasping for breath because I had not expected it, 164 00:08:51,632 --> 00:08:52,600 did not encounter it. 165 00:08:52,700 --> 00:08:55,402 I've never been that terrified in my life 166 00:08:55,502 --> 00:08:59,506 and as this was happening to me, I heard Pat saying-- 167 00:08:59,607 --> 00:09:00,440 You can go. 168 00:09:00,540 --> 00:09:01,341 You're free to go. 169 00:09:01,441 --> 00:09:02,509 You can go. 170 00:09:02,610 --> 00:09:04,511 [spirit whirring] 171 00:09:05,746 --> 00:09:06,980 PATRICIA (VOICEOVER): I couldn't believe 172 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,450 what was happening to me. 173 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:13,353 I don't know what the swirling presence was. 174 00:09:13,453 --> 00:09:19,627 It was negative, it was cold, it felt like it was from the past. 175 00:09:19,727 --> 00:09:21,461 It didn't want me there. 176 00:09:21,561 --> 00:09:23,063 That was very obvious. 177 00:09:23,163 --> 00:09:25,866 He was angry at her because it was his place 178 00:09:25,966 --> 00:09:28,669 and she was telling him that he was free to leave. 179 00:09:28,769 --> 00:09:33,040 And he was telling her you don't tell me I am free. 180 00:09:33,140 --> 00:09:34,007 This is-- you leave. 181 00:09:39,713 --> 00:09:40,748 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Next, Ed 182 00:09:40,848 --> 00:09:43,016 Sitzberger contacted Jackie Littlejohn, 183 00:09:43,116 --> 00:09:44,918 a psychic from Albuquerque. 184 00:09:45,018 --> 00:09:47,287 Jackie claims to be able to communicate 185 00:09:47,387 --> 00:09:50,223 with the spirit world. 186 00:09:50,323 --> 00:09:55,228 JACKIE: I was able to sense physical violence, a gunshot. 187 00:09:55,328 --> 00:09:59,700 It was so strong, I stepped back where I could see, 188 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,236 and feel, and smell. 189 00:10:03,336 --> 00:10:05,505 The evidence of violence was so intense. 190 00:10:08,241 --> 00:10:09,977 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): During her tour of the hotel, 191 00:10:10,077 --> 00:10:14,581 Jackie claims she had a vision of a deadly poker game. 192 00:10:14,682 --> 00:10:16,917 JACKIE (VOICEOVER): The poker game had been going on 193 00:10:17,017 --> 00:10:20,187 for a long time and it was a feeling 194 00:10:20,287 --> 00:10:25,893 that either the hotel was at stake or a very large heard. 195 00:10:25,993 --> 00:10:27,427 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): According to Jackie, 196 00:10:27,527 --> 00:10:29,362 one of the card players was a man whose 197 00:10:29,462 --> 00:10:31,631 ghost now inhabits room 18. 198 00:10:31,732 --> 00:10:33,066 [footsteps] 199 00:10:38,005 --> 00:10:39,339 [gunshot] 200 00:10:43,143 --> 00:10:44,611 JACKIE (VOICEOVER): He died of blood poisoning. 201 00:10:44,712 --> 00:10:49,149 Very slow, very painful, very dreadful, desperate. 202 00:10:49,249 --> 00:10:50,583 Desperate man, very fearful. 203 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,055 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Jackie says the dead man's name was 204 00:10:55,155 --> 00:10:59,159 T.J Wright, and that he probably won the hotel in the poker game 205 00:10:59,259 --> 00:11:01,895 just before he was killed. 206 00:11:01,995 --> 00:11:03,663 ED (VOICEOVER): We wanted to look back in the records 207 00:11:03,764 --> 00:11:05,799 and corroborate the story. 208 00:11:05,899 --> 00:11:11,038 So we went back and looked at the hotel register in 1881 209 00:11:11,138 --> 00:11:16,243 and found T.J Wright registered three different days in 1881. 210 00:11:16,343 --> 00:11:20,881 It just is reasonable to me that he believes 211 00:11:20,981 --> 00:11:24,117 he owns the hotel still and wants to maintain possession, 212 00:11:24,217 --> 00:11:27,554 or at least live here. 213 00:11:27,654 --> 00:11:28,856 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Ed Sitzberger 214 00:11:28,956 --> 00:11:31,859 keeps the old registry locked in a glass case, 215 00:11:31,959 --> 00:11:33,994 and he is certain that Jackie Littlejohn never 216 00:11:34,094 --> 00:11:35,963 had access to it. 217 00:11:36,063 --> 00:11:38,999 There is, of course, no way to prove that the ghost of T.J 218 00:11:39,099 --> 00:11:42,702 Wright is now haunting room 18, but Ed Sitzberger 219 00:11:42,803 --> 00:11:45,773 is not taking any chances. 220 00:11:45,873 --> 00:11:47,074 ED (VOICEOVER): There's no construction 221 00:11:47,174 --> 00:11:49,309 activity in that room or renovation 222 00:11:49,409 --> 00:11:50,510 work that's going to be done. 223 00:11:50,610 --> 00:11:52,045 That's his room, as far as I'm concerned, 224 00:11:52,145 --> 00:11:54,882 as a permanent resident for as long as I have the hotel. 225 00:11:59,219 --> 00:12:00,653 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Is it truly possible 226 00:12:00,754 --> 00:12:02,489 that the St. James Hotel is haunted 227 00:12:02,589 --> 00:12:04,624 by the spirits of the old west? 228 00:12:04,724 --> 00:12:07,494 [rolling thunder] 229 00:12:07,594 --> 00:12:09,696 The firsthand accounts you've just heard 230 00:12:09,797 --> 00:12:12,632 are definitely difficult to believe, 231 00:12:12,732 --> 00:12:15,668 but if you can offer a better explanation for what goes on 232 00:12:15,769 --> 00:12:18,438 in the old hotel, the folks at the St. James 233 00:12:18,538 --> 00:12:19,907 would certainly like to hear it. 234 00:12:31,618 --> 00:12:34,387 When we return, a family in Florida 235 00:12:34,487 --> 00:12:36,556 claims that the ghost of a murder victim 236 00:12:36,656 --> 00:12:38,691 has returned to haunt the scene of the crime. 237 00:12:41,694 --> 00:12:43,063 [theme music] 238 00:12:48,501 --> 00:12:50,337 [crickets chirping] 239 00:12:51,939 --> 00:12:55,642 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): August 1968, in Richmond, Virginia, 240 00:12:55,742 --> 00:12:57,477 a woman named June Ferris is having 241 00:12:57,577 --> 00:13:00,080 a disturbing dream about a strange house she has 242 00:13:00,180 --> 00:13:03,516 never set foot in or even seen. 243 00:13:03,616 --> 00:13:05,352 The dream has plagued her for months. 244 00:13:10,858 --> 00:13:15,428 JUNE (VOICEOVER): In the dream I was in an upstairs bedroom, 245 00:13:15,528 --> 00:13:18,331 and I would come out of the bedroom, 246 00:13:18,431 --> 00:13:28,909 go out into the hallway, and I would turn to the right, 247 00:13:29,009 --> 00:13:31,011 and go down the narrow staircase. 248 00:13:35,648 --> 00:13:37,250 I knew the house had a front staircase, 249 00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:39,419 but I never used the front staircase in the dream. 250 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:40,353 It was always the back. 251 00:13:43,991 --> 00:13:48,261 And I would turn to the left and go through the kitchen, 252 00:13:48,361 --> 00:13:49,529 around the refrigerator and stove 253 00:13:49,629 --> 00:13:50,430 that were on the one wall. 254 00:13:54,601 --> 00:13:58,605 I had a feeling of anxiety. 255 00:13:58,705 --> 00:14:01,641 An anxious feeling that something 256 00:14:01,741 --> 00:14:05,178 was going to happen that I should know about. 257 00:14:05,278 --> 00:14:07,547 And I would go out the kitchen door, onto the porch. 258 00:14:07,647 --> 00:14:10,150 [door slams] 259 00:14:10,250 --> 00:14:13,586 And that's where I would wake up. 260 00:14:13,686 --> 00:14:15,422 [exhales] 261 00:14:15,522 --> 00:14:18,591 And I suppose that this dream continued 262 00:14:18,691 --> 00:14:21,194 maybe once a month until we moved 263 00:14:21,294 --> 00:14:22,963 to Orlando, four years later. 264 00:14:26,766 --> 00:14:28,168 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): June and her family 265 00:14:28,268 --> 00:14:31,038 moved to Florida in 1972. 266 00:14:31,138 --> 00:14:33,606 Two years later, she was driving through the small town 267 00:14:33,706 --> 00:14:36,509 of Clermont, Florida, when she came upon a house 268 00:14:36,609 --> 00:14:39,846 that enchanted her. 269 00:14:39,947 --> 00:14:42,115 I've always liked old Victorian houses. 270 00:14:42,215 --> 00:14:44,484 It was such a lovely home. 271 00:14:44,584 --> 00:14:47,420 So I called the realtor and asked if I could go through it. 272 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:48,355 This is great. 273 00:14:48,455 --> 00:14:49,856 How ever did you find this place? 274 00:14:49,957 --> 00:14:51,925 I just drove by on the side, it was right out front. 275 00:14:52,025 --> 00:14:53,693 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): June returned with a friend 276 00:14:53,793 --> 00:14:55,228 for a closer look. 277 00:14:55,328 --> 00:14:58,831 Once inside, June began to experience an eerie sensation. 278 00:14:58,932 --> 00:14:59,732 Let's go upstairs. 279 00:14:59,832 --> 00:15:01,234 OK. 280 00:15:01,334 --> 00:15:03,003 JUNE (VOICEOVER): We went through the downstairs 281 00:15:03,103 --> 00:15:07,174 first, and went up the front staircase, 282 00:15:07,274 --> 00:15:09,642 and I had a feeling of-- 283 00:15:09,742 --> 00:15:11,344 I guess you would say, deja vu. 284 00:15:11,444 --> 00:15:13,746 I had definitely been here before. 285 00:15:13,846 --> 00:15:14,814 Oh look, more stairs. 286 00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:17,684 I wonder where they go. 287 00:15:17,784 --> 00:15:19,452 I know where they go. 288 00:15:19,552 --> 00:15:23,423 JUNE: They go down through the kitchen, past the stove, 289 00:15:23,523 --> 00:15:25,325 and onto the back porch. 290 00:15:25,425 --> 00:15:27,260 How do you know that? 291 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,031 I've dreamed about this house. 292 00:15:31,131 --> 00:15:32,765 JUNE (VOICEOVER): So as we walked through the house, 293 00:15:32,865 --> 00:15:36,869 it definitely was the same house of the dream. 294 00:15:36,970 --> 00:15:40,007 And I knew every room in the house, every closet, 295 00:15:40,107 --> 00:15:41,608 where everything was. 296 00:15:41,708 --> 00:15:45,678 It was just a real unusual experience. 297 00:15:45,778 --> 00:15:47,814 Not scary. 298 00:15:47,914 --> 00:15:49,916 I didn't feel spooked. 299 00:15:50,017 --> 00:15:52,285 It was just-- it was a good feeling. 300 00:15:52,385 --> 00:15:53,620 It was a feeling like I had come home. 301 00:15:56,689 --> 00:15:58,591 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In March of 1978, June, 302 00:15:58,691 --> 00:16:00,327 and her husband, and three of their children 303 00:16:00,427 --> 00:16:02,762 moved into the old house. 304 00:16:02,862 --> 00:16:07,667 Almost immediately, odd things began to happen. 305 00:16:07,767 --> 00:16:10,070 ROBIN (VOICEOVER): My father had brought the boat out 306 00:16:10,170 --> 00:16:16,776 on the trailer and trailer hitch was on a sawhorse type stand, 307 00:16:16,876 --> 00:16:19,912 and it looked as if someone had reached over, 308 00:16:20,013 --> 00:16:24,351 picked the trailer hitch up, and just dropped it on the ground. 309 00:16:24,451 --> 00:16:26,719 Robin, what are You doing 310 00:16:26,819 --> 00:16:27,787 I didn't do it. 311 00:16:27,887 --> 00:16:29,056 ROBIN (VOICEOVER): There was nobody there. 312 00:16:29,156 --> 00:16:30,990 I mean, it was blank space. 313 00:16:31,091 --> 00:16:33,060 It wasn't like it jumped off. 314 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,596 It was like someone had actually lifted it off of the stand 315 00:16:36,696 --> 00:16:39,999 and dropped it, and it happened several times again afterwards. 316 00:16:42,902 --> 00:16:44,204 It was so fast 317 00:16:44,304 --> 00:16:45,338 [thud] 318 00:16:45,438 --> 00:16:47,174 that you really wanted to think to yourself, 319 00:16:47,274 --> 00:16:48,341 did I really see that? 320 00:16:48,441 --> 00:16:50,210 Did that really happen? 321 00:16:50,310 --> 00:16:52,045 That it was just shock. 322 00:16:52,145 --> 00:16:54,914 Absolute shock. 323 00:16:55,014 --> 00:16:56,949 [crickets chirping] 324 00:16:57,050 --> 00:16:58,618 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Over the next few years, 325 00:16:58,718 --> 00:17:00,153 the Farris's were to witness more 326 00:17:00,253 --> 00:17:02,355 and ever stranger occurrences. 327 00:17:05,325 --> 00:17:06,626 [music box playing] 328 00:17:09,062 --> 00:17:10,363 [music boxes playing faster] 329 00:17:10,463 --> 00:17:12,799 The extraordinary became the ordinary, 330 00:17:12,899 --> 00:17:14,901 and the family began to suspect that they 331 00:17:15,001 --> 00:17:17,137 were not the only ones living in a house. 332 00:17:21,308 --> 00:17:23,510 ROBIN (VOICEOVER): I was about 20 or 21. 333 00:17:23,610 --> 00:17:25,612 It was when my husband David and I were married 334 00:17:25,712 --> 00:17:27,747 and we were living in my mother's house. 335 00:17:27,847 --> 00:17:31,518 He woke me up in the middle of the night one night. 336 00:17:31,618 --> 00:17:34,087 Robin, what was that? 337 00:17:37,557 --> 00:17:39,592 Listen. 338 00:17:39,692 --> 00:17:41,294 Sounds like my music boxes. 339 00:17:41,394 --> 00:17:43,062 ROBIN (VOICEOVER): He knew that the house was haunted 340 00:17:43,163 --> 00:17:44,697 and he was just terrified. 341 00:17:50,069 --> 00:17:51,904 [music boxes playing] 342 00:17:54,407 --> 00:17:57,210 The switches were not on. 343 00:17:57,310 --> 00:18:00,647 They were just wound up and they were playing. 344 00:18:00,747 --> 00:18:03,550 All of them were playing. 345 00:18:03,650 --> 00:18:07,520 The music boxes coming on really assured me that we definitely 346 00:18:07,620 --> 00:18:13,126 had a ghost in that house, and I felt like we did before then. 347 00:18:13,226 --> 00:18:15,395 It wasn't scary to me anymore. 348 00:18:15,495 --> 00:18:18,198 It was kind of fascinating. 349 00:18:18,298 --> 00:18:20,867 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In 1985, Bob Vitter began dating 350 00:18:20,967 --> 00:18:23,536 June's younger daughter, Lori. 351 00:18:23,636 --> 00:18:25,438 I was a firm disbeliever in ghosts, 352 00:18:25,538 --> 00:18:28,808 but after everything that's happened to me in that house, 353 00:18:28,908 --> 00:18:30,777 there is such a thing as ghosts, and there 354 00:18:30,877 --> 00:18:32,512 is a ghost in that house. 355 00:18:32,612 --> 00:18:34,281 [tv playing] 356 00:18:34,381 --> 00:18:36,483 BOB (VOICEOVER): A couple of nights before Halloween, Laura 357 00:18:36,583 --> 00:18:39,018 and I were in the parlor on the couch, 358 00:18:39,118 --> 00:18:40,587 and we heard the back screen door slam. 359 00:18:40,687 --> 00:18:41,488 [door slams] 360 00:18:41,588 --> 00:18:42,689 What was that? 361 00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:43,590 It's just my mom. 362 00:18:43,690 --> 00:18:44,491 Oh. 363 00:18:44,591 --> 00:18:45,558 [footsteps] 364 00:18:47,327 --> 00:18:48,728 BOB (VOICEOVER): I heard something with boots 365 00:18:48,828 --> 00:18:50,497 come through the kitchen-- - That's not your mother. 366 00:18:50,597 --> 00:18:51,998 BOB (VOICEOVER): And walked down the hallway, 367 00:18:52,098 --> 00:18:54,801 and stop in the opening going into the parlor, 368 00:18:54,901 --> 00:18:57,404 and I had a feeling that whatever it was, 369 00:18:57,504 --> 00:18:59,105 it was standing right there, watching us. 370 00:19:03,142 --> 00:19:06,179 And the sound of its boots continued down the hallway, 371 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:08,147 and I followed it, and at that point, 372 00:19:08,248 --> 00:19:10,383 I was really very, very scared. 373 00:19:10,483 --> 00:19:11,851 [footsteps continue] 374 00:19:16,389 --> 00:19:17,890 I never encountered anything like that. 375 00:19:21,093 --> 00:19:22,895 I was just so terrified, I couldn't even move. 376 00:19:22,995 --> 00:19:24,864 [footsteps grow quieter] 377 00:19:24,964 --> 00:19:26,366 [door slams] 378 00:19:29,436 --> 00:19:31,371 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): By now, everyone was convinced 379 00:19:31,471 --> 00:19:33,440 that the house was haunted. 380 00:19:33,540 --> 00:19:36,409 But no one had actually seen a ghost, yet. 381 00:19:39,879 --> 00:19:41,648 ROBIN (VOICEOVER): I was walking up the stairway 382 00:19:41,748 --> 00:19:43,583 in the foyer of the house. 383 00:19:43,683 --> 00:19:44,951 I felt a cold chill. 384 00:19:45,051 --> 00:19:46,519 It's almost like when you open your freezer 385 00:19:46,619 --> 00:19:47,420 in the hot summer time. 386 00:19:54,461 --> 00:19:59,599 It was very definitely a person and he was very 387 00:19:59,699 --> 00:20:02,535 early middle age or late 30s. 388 00:20:02,635 --> 00:20:04,371 And it was just like a vapor, just 389 00:20:04,471 --> 00:20:06,473 like a cloud of smoke kind of. 390 00:20:06,573 --> 00:20:08,875 It's there and then it's gone. 391 00:20:08,975 --> 00:20:10,510 But it was very definite. 392 00:20:10,610 --> 00:20:11,944 It was very definitely a person. 393 00:20:15,482 --> 00:20:17,250 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Three months later, Bob Vitter 394 00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:20,887 had his own ghostly encounter. 395 00:20:20,987 --> 00:20:22,855 BOB (VOICEOVER): I was upstairs preparing to paint. 396 00:20:22,955 --> 00:20:27,126 I opened the attic door and there in front of me 397 00:20:27,226 --> 00:20:32,899 was a white vapor, almost in the shape of a human. 398 00:20:32,999 --> 00:20:35,702 And as I took another step forward, this vapor came at me, 399 00:20:35,802 --> 00:20:37,570 and it went right through me. 400 00:20:40,473 --> 00:20:43,876 And I felt a cold blast of air and the musty smell that 401 00:20:43,976 --> 00:20:47,880 always accompanied the ghost. 402 00:20:47,980 --> 00:20:51,117 And just as quickly as it went through me, it was over. 403 00:20:54,554 --> 00:20:56,255 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In October 1985, 404 00:20:56,356 --> 00:21:00,460 Bob Vitter began looking into the history of the old mansion. 405 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,863 In a local library, he found volumes of old newspapers 406 00:21:03,963 --> 00:21:06,966 and was startled to discover an account of a brutal murder 407 00:21:07,066 --> 00:21:09,068 in which the owner of the house was gunned 408 00:21:09,168 --> 00:21:11,571 down in his own backyard. 409 00:21:11,671 --> 00:21:14,240 The victim's name was John Harden. 410 00:21:14,341 --> 00:21:15,875 Bob began to believe that if there 411 00:21:15,975 --> 00:21:18,010 were a ghost in the house, perhaps 412 00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:19,612 it was the ghost of John Harden. 413 00:21:24,451 --> 00:21:26,886 Hardin grew up in South Florida, and at 18, 414 00:21:26,986 --> 00:21:30,222 married his high school sweetheart, Rita. 415 00:21:30,323 --> 00:21:31,858 Together, they raised four children 416 00:21:31,958 --> 00:21:34,694 in Jacksonville, Florida. 417 00:21:34,794 --> 00:21:37,129 Every moment with him was wonderful. 418 00:21:37,229 --> 00:21:38,898 He was a good person. 419 00:21:38,998 --> 00:21:41,468 He was always caring, not only about his family, 420 00:21:41,568 --> 00:21:43,035 but his friends. 421 00:21:43,135 --> 00:21:44,236 You know, everybody. 422 00:21:44,337 --> 00:21:47,139 He was always concerned about everyone around him, 423 00:21:47,239 --> 00:21:50,810 everyone that touched his life. 424 00:21:50,910 --> 00:21:53,045 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): But after 14 years of marriage, 425 00:21:53,145 --> 00:21:57,550 John Harden dropped a bombshell on his wife. 426 00:21:57,650 --> 00:21:59,419 RITA (VOICEOVER): He came in from work one afternoon. 427 00:21:59,519 --> 00:22:00,520 I love you, you know that. 428 00:22:00,620 --> 00:22:01,421 RITA (VOICEOVER): Put his arms around me. 429 00:22:01,521 --> 00:22:02,455 Yes, I do. 430 00:22:02,555 --> 00:22:05,191 RITA (VOICEOVER): He said, I love you. 431 00:22:05,291 --> 00:22:07,159 I have to go away. 432 00:22:07,259 --> 00:22:09,562 What do you mean? 433 00:22:09,662 --> 00:22:12,365 I have to leave for a while. 434 00:22:12,465 --> 00:22:14,266 He said, I have some problems. 435 00:22:14,367 --> 00:22:15,568 I'm going to get myself together. 436 00:22:15,668 --> 00:22:20,006 I'll be home, but he never came home. 437 00:22:20,106 --> 00:22:20,907 [birds chirping] 438 00:22:21,007 --> 00:22:22,509 Good morning! 439 00:22:22,609 --> 00:22:23,476 RITA: Good morning! 440 00:22:23,576 --> 00:22:24,577 Are you the owner? 441 00:22:24,677 --> 00:22:25,778 Yes, I am. 442 00:22:25,878 --> 00:22:26,479 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): About a year and a half 443 00:22:26,579 --> 00:22:27,514 later, Harden remarried. 444 00:22:27,614 --> 00:22:28,648 Yeah, uh, beautiful house [inaudible]. 445 00:22:28,748 --> 00:22:29,949 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): He his second wife 446 00:22:30,049 --> 00:22:31,518 moved to Clermont, where they purchased 447 00:22:31,618 --> 00:22:32,952 the old Victorian mansion. 448 00:22:36,623 --> 00:22:39,291 Nine months later, John Harden awoke to a disturbance 449 00:22:39,392 --> 00:22:40,660 outside of his bedroom window. 450 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,361 [soft sound of flames] 451 00:22:42,462 --> 00:22:45,164 Harden's pickup truck was engulfed in flames. 452 00:22:55,274 --> 00:22:57,109 [flames grow louder] 453 00:22:57,209 --> 00:23:01,047 It was later determined that the fire been deliberately set. 454 00:23:10,557 --> 00:23:11,958 [gunshot] 455 00:23:15,528 --> 00:23:18,598 Harden lay mortally wounded, shot once in the chest 456 00:23:18,698 --> 00:23:20,533 with a single barreled shotgun. 457 00:23:20,633 --> 00:23:23,335 He died less than an hour later. 458 00:23:23,436 --> 00:23:27,707 No one was ever arrested in connection with the shooting. 459 00:23:27,807 --> 00:23:29,909 Had there been a motive, we could 460 00:23:30,009 --> 00:23:34,180 have proceeded with the case and investigation a lot better. 461 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,083 There was several things that was brought to our attention, 462 00:23:37,183 --> 00:23:41,454 but there was never a firm motive established. 463 00:23:41,554 --> 00:23:43,422 [POLICE CHATTER ON WALKIE TALKIE] 464 00:23:43,523 --> 00:23:44,891 BRUCE (VOICEOVER): We had absolutely nothing 465 00:23:44,991 --> 00:23:47,093 after three and a half months of a great deal of travel, 466 00:23:47,193 --> 00:23:49,596 and interviewing literally hundreds of witnesses. 467 00:23:49,696 --> 00:23:50,930 We didn't have any more at the end 468 00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:53,600 of the three and a half months than we had when we started. 469 00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:58,971 On a scale of 1 to 10 difficulty of solving a crime, 470 00:23:59,071 --> 00:24:01,307 this is probably about as close to a 10 as I've ever seen. 471 00:24:04,210 --> 00:24:06,178 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Could John Harden's spirit possibly 472 00:24:06,278 --> 00:24:08,581 be haunting his former residence? 473 00:24:08,681 --> 00:24:11,784 There do seem to be amazing similarities between the ghost 474 00:24:11,884 --> 00:24:14,186 and the man himself. 475 00:24:14,286 --> 00:24:17,757 According to his first wife, Harden was a loving and overly 476 00:24:17,857 --> 00:24:20,226 protective parent. 477 00:24:20,326 --> 00:24:21,828 RITA (VOICEOVER): When our children were little, 478 00:24:21,928 --> 00:24:24,463 Johnny would be very concerned about them, 479 00:24:24,564 --> 00:24:27,066 always going to the other room to check them 480 00:24:27,166 --> 00:24:28,334 just to be sure they were OK. 481 00:24:28,434 --> 00:24:32,905 To be sure they weren't wrapped up in the covers or-- 482 00:24:33,005 --> 00:24:35,742 always wanting to be sure that they were all right. 483 00:24:35,842 --> 00:24:38,210 Very concerned about them, always. 484 00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:41,714 Even as they got older, he was always concerned. 485 00:24:44,383 --> 00:24:45,552 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The Farris's 486 00:24:45,652 --> 00:24:47,554 believe that the spirit in their house 487 00:24:47,654 --> 00:24:50,923 has the same nurturing attitude. 488 00:24:51,023 --> 00:24:52,191 JUNE (VOICEOVER): Apparently, he was 489 00:24:52,291 --> 00:24:56,028 very fond of children and babies because my grandson 490 00:24:56,128 --> 00:24:59,566 had an experience with him. 491 00:24:59,666 --> 00:25:01,768 He would wake up and see this man standing over his bed, 492 00:25:01,868 --> 00:25:03,836 and of course, that would scare the bejeebers out of me, 493 00:25:03,936 --> 00:25:04,937 RAYMOND (SCARED): Mom! Mom! 494 00:25:05,037 --> 00:25:05,672 JUNE (VOICEOVER): And I'm sure it did him. 495 00:25:05,772 --> 00:25:06,606 RAYMOND (SCARED): Mom! 496 00:25:06,706 --> 00:25:07,540 Mom! 497 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:08,474 Mom! 498 00:25:08,575 --> 00:25:09,441 Mom! 499 00:25:09,542 --> 00:25:10,577 Mom! 500 00:25:10,677 --> 00:25:11,978 JUNE (VOICEOVER): And it happened several times 501 00:25:12,078 --> 00:25:13,646 until Robin went into the room one 502 00:25:13,746 --> 00:25:16,983 night before Raymond went to sleep 503 00:25:17,083 --> 00:25:19,185 and she spoke to the ghost. 504 00:25:19,285 --> 00:25:22,388 And she said please do not come back in this room anymore, 505 00:25:22,488 --> 00:25:24,557 and please leave Raymond alone. 506 00:25:24,657 --> 00:25:28,027 And after that he didn't come back, or at least if he did, 507 00:25:28,127 --> 00:25:30,462 Raymond didn't wake up. 508 00:25:30,563 --> 00:25:31,864 [crackling fire] 509 00:25:31,964 --> 00:25:33,633 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): When June Farris learned the details 510 00:25:33,733 --> 00:25:36,102 of John Harden's life and death, she 511 00:25:36,202 --> 00:25:38,905 recognized a startling connection with a dream which 512 00:25:39,005 --> 00:25:39,972 had plagued her for years. 513 00:25:42,875 --> 00:25:47,079 JUNE (VOICEOVER): When I first learned that John Harden came 514 00:25:47,179 --> 00:25:48,915 down the back stairs into the kitchen, 515 00:25:49,015 --> 00:25:52,752 and out the back door, which was the same path that I took 516 00:25:52,852 --> 00:25:55,688 in my dreams, I felt like there was something 517 00:25:55,788 --> 00:25:57,624 there that I should know. 518 00:25:57,724 --> 00:26:00,993 Maybe if the dream had continued I would have learned something, 519 00:26:01,093 --> 00:26:03,830 that there was a link, and in some way 520 00:26:03,930 --> 00:26:06,766 he's trying to tell us what happened to him, 521 00:26:06,866 --> 00:26:09,501 and even help us find the killer. 522 00:26:09,602 --> 00:26:15,141 I think that he haunts to try to make a point to people. 523 00:26:15,241 --> 00:26:18,377 That hey, I'm here, and I can't go anywhere 524 00:26:18,477 --> 00:26:21,614 until this is taken care of. 525 00:26:21,714 --> 00:26:24,817 [crickets chirping] 526 00:26:24,917 --> 00:26:26,585 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In 1990, the Farris's 527 00:26:26,686 --> 00:26:29,722 moved out of the old mansion. 528 00:26:29,822 --> 00:26:31,958 The new owners also tell haunting 529 00:26:32,058 --> 00:26:34,126 tales of a restless spirit roaming 530 00:26:34,226 --> 00:26:35,594 the hallways each night. 531 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,569 Curiously, when we filmed at the old Victorian house 532 00:26:43,670 --> 00:26:45,938 in Claremont, our production crew encountered a number 533 00:26:46,038 --> 00:26:48,240 of unusual difficulties. 534 00:26:48,340 --> 00:26:51,010 Lights flickered on and off for no apparent reason. 535 00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:54,647 The equipment failed, doors opened on their own, 536 00:26:54,747 --> 00:26:57,016 and a window in the attic shattered. 537 00:26:57,116 --> 00:26:59,986 The cause, unknown. 538 00:27:00,086 --> 00:27:02,088 Perhaps it was just coincidence, or perhaps it 539 00:27:02,188 --> 00:27:04,490 was the spirit of John Harden, unable to rest 540 00:27:04,590 --> 00:27:06,993 until justice is served. 541 00:27:07,093 --> 00:27:08,627 And the final footnote to this story 542 00:27:08,728 --> 00:27:10,462 is apt to give anyone pause. 543 00:27:10,562 --> 00:27:13,465 The investigation into the murder of John Harden 544 00:27:13,565 --> 00:27:14,767 has now been reopened. 545 00:27:18,671 --> 00:27:20,239 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Next, an anonymous phone 546 00:27:20,339 --> 00:27:26,779 call rekindles a case of a woman who disappeared in 1976. 547 00:27:26,879 --> 00:27:29,181 [theme music] 548 00:27:36,555 --> 00:27:38,024 I got to get going, darling. 549 00:27:38,124 --> 00:27:39,458 All right, mom. 550 00:27:39,558 --> 00:27:42,829 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): On March 25th, 1976, Mary Ann 551 00:27:42,929 --> 00:27:45,564 Perez of Chalmette, Louisiana said goodbye 552 00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:47,066 to her teenage daughter, Donna. 553 00:27:47,166 --> 00:27:48,467 Yeah. 554 00:27:48,567 --> 00:27:50,302 And would you put everything in the fridge when you're done? 555 00:27:50,402 --> 00:27:51,637 Sure. 556 00:27:51,738 --> 00:27:53,139 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Donna had agreed to babysit her 557 00:27:53,239 --> 00:27:55,607 younger brothers and sisters so Maryanne could go out 558 00:27:55,708 --> 00:27:57,509 with one of her girlfriends. 559 00:27:57,609 --> 00:27:59,411 I love you, I'm a come and check up on y'all. 560 00:27:59,511 --> 00:28:00,446 - OK - Lock the doors. 561 00:28:00,546 --> 00:28:01,848 I will. 562 00:28:01,948 --> 00:28:03,215 SHANNON (VOICEOVER): She told Donna that she would be calling 563 00:28:03,315 --> 00:28:07,286 to check on us about 10:00, 11:00 o'clock 564 00:28:07,386 --> 00:28:11,924 and Donna said she got a phone call from mama first. 565 00:28:12,024 --> 00:28:13,993 Mama said that she was OK. 566 00:28:14,093 --> 00:28:16,128 She would be home shortly. 567 00:28:16,228 --> 00:28:18,397 And then about 1:30 in the morning, 568 00:28:18,497 --> 00:28:21,768 Donna said she got a phone call from a woman 569 00:28:21,868 --> 00:28:22,835 by the name of Dorothy. 570 00:28:22,935 --> 00:28:24,403 [phone ringing] 571 00:28:24,503 --> 00:28:25,738 Hello? 572 00:28:25,838 --> 00:28:27,774 DOROTHY (ON PHONE): Hi, my name's Dorothy and I'm a friend 573 00:28:27,874 --> 00:28:28,808 of your mama's. 574 00:28:28,908 --> 00:28:30,142 I'm calling to let you know that she's 575 00:28:30,242 --> 00:28:31,610 having car trouble so she'll be a little 576 00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:33,612 late getting home tonight. - Is she OK? 577 00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:34,781 DOROTHY (ON PHONE): She'll be fine. 578 00:28:34,881 --> 00:28:35,782 She'll be home soon, bye. 579 00:28:35,882 --> 00:28:36,682 [phone clicks] 580 00:28:36,783 --> 00:28:39,551 Hello? 581 00:28:39,651 --> 00:28:41,287 Hello? 582 00:28:41,387 --> 00:28:43,155 [phone clicks into place] 583 00:28:45,557 --> 00:28:48,427 When I heard about the call and heard the name Dorothy, 584 00:28:48,527 --> 00:28:51,230 I couldn't imagine who in the world that could have been. 585 00:28:51,330 --> 00:28:54,366 I knew there was something wrong somewhere, 586 00:28:54,466 --> 00:29:00,672 the car being practically new, and no reason for car trouble. 587 00:29:00,773 --> 00:29:02,208 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Mary Ann Perez never 588 00:29:02,308 --> 00:29:04,777 called and never came home. 589 00:29:04,877 --> 00:29:06,445 Her family soon discovered that she 590 00:29:06,545 --> 00:29:08,280 had gone to meet her friend at a country 591 00:29:08,380 --> 00:29:10,682 Western club on the outskirts of New Orleans. 592 00:29:10,783 --> 00:29:12,384 Uh, cold beer. 593 00:29:12,484 --> 00:29:13,786 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The next morning, 594 00:29:13,886 --> 00:29:17,556 Mary Ann's car was found parked in front of the club. 595 00:29:17,656 --> 00:29:20,259 When the New Orleans Police inspected the vehicle, 596 00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:22,694 they saw no evidence of car trouble. 597 00:29:22,795 --> 00:29:25,397 The automobile was in perfect running condition. 598 00:29:25,497 --> 00:29:27,800 [POLICE CHATTER OVER WALKIE TALKIE] 599 00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:29,368 There's nothing in the back seat. 600 00:29:29,468 --> 00:29:30,602 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Three days 601 00:29:30,702 --> 00:29:33,105 later, Mary Ann's purse, weighted down with a brick, 602 00:29:33,205 --> 00:29:36,475 was found in Lake Pontchartrain 10 miles away. 603 00:29:36,575 --> 00:29:38,344 There was no trace of Mary Anne Perez. 604 00:29:41,881 --> 00:29:43,115 Nine years passed. 605 00:29:43,215 --> 00:29:44,951 Mary Anne's family waited, not knowing 606 00:29:45,051 --> 00:29:47,453 whether she was dead or alive. 607 00:29:47,553 --> 00:29:50,156 Then in 1985, the New Orleans Police Department 608 00:29:50,256 --> 00:29:52,391 dispatched a detective to Wichita, Kansas 609 00:29:52,491 --> 00:29:55,127 to question a man named David Courtney. 610 00:29:55,227 --> 00:29:56,863 Courtney, along with his wife, confessed 611 00:29:56,963 --> 00:29:59,298 to a multi-state killing spree. 612 00:29:59,398 --> 00:30:01,100 One of their victims seemed to have a lot 613 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,736 in common with Mary Ann Perez. 614 00:30:04,837 --> 00:30:07,439 Um, OK, um, I was going to this bar for a drink, 615 00:30:07,539 --> 00:30:10,042 and I saw this woman, and um, she was heading 616 00:30:10,142 --> 00:30:12,811 for her car in the parking lot. 617 00:30:12,912 --> 00:30:14,113 She looked a little tipsy-- 618 00:30:14,213 --> 00:30:16,748 When I went up to Kansas to interview David Courtney, 619 00:30:16,849 --> 00:30:19,485 he told me about the female he abducted in New Orleans. 620 00:30:19,585 --> 00:30:21,553 He stated that he was driving down the highway 621 00:30:21,653 --> 00:30:24,590 and pulled into a parking lot of the Country Western bar. 622 00:30:24,690 --> 00:30:26,058 [car running] 623 00:30:30,329 --> 00:30:31,497 - Whoa. - Oh. 624 00:30:31,597 --> 00:30:32,698 Hey, you OK? 625 00:30:32,798 --> 00:30:33,866 Yeah, I'm OK. 626 00:30:33,966 --> 00:30:35,834 Thank you. 627 00:30:35,935 --> 00:30:39,305 Um, you're not driving that car, are you? 628 00:30:39,405 --> 00:30:40,206 I gotta. 629 00:30:40,306 --> 00:30:41,941 I got to get home to my kids. 630 00:30:42,041 --> 00:30:44,343 Well, look, why don't you let my wife and I take you home? 631 00:30:44,443 --> 00:30:46,445 She's right up the road here and I'm picking her up from work. 632 00:30:46,545 --> 00:30:47,346 I can't. 633 00:30:47,446 --> 00:30:48,414 I can't ask you to do that. 634 00:30:48,514 --> 00:30:50,216 I live all the way in Chalmette. 635 00:30:50,316 --> 00:30:51,283 Chalmette's no problem for us. 636 00:30:51,383 --> 00:30:52,184 We live in Chalmette. 637 00:30:52,284 --> 00:30:53,119 It's on the way there. 638 00:30:53,219 --> 00:30:54,453 You don't mind? 639 00:30:54,553 --> 00:30:55,821 No problem at all, you know? 640 00:30:55,922 --> 00:30:57,456 I'd feel guilty if I left you here in the shape you're in. 641 00:30:57,556 --> 00:30:58,424 Come on in. 642 00:30:58,524 --> 00:31:00,859 I probably should. 643 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:01,860 [winces] 644 00:31:01,961 --> 00:31:03,462 So what's your name? 645 00:31:03,562 --> 00:31:04,897 Mary Ann. 646 00:31:04,997 --> 00:31:06,966 I'm David. 647 00:31:07,066 --> 00:31:08,500 Did you pick your wife up? 648 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,339 Yeah and then we took her straight to our trailer. 649 00:31:13,439 --> 00:31:15,541 After you got to the trailer, did y'all have sexual 650 00:31:15,641 --> 00:31:16,808 advances towards this woman? 651 00:31:16,909 --> 00:31:18,510 BOB LAMBERT: He stated that this female fell asleep 652 00:31:18,610 --> 00:31:22,148 on a chair in the trailer and there 653 00:31:22,248 --> 00:31:26,485 was some sexual advancements by David Courtney's wife, which 654 00:31:26,585 --> 00:31:28,387 woke this female up, and she became 655 00:31:28,487 --> 00:31:31,390 disturbed, and irate, and upset about what was going on. 656 00:31:31,490 --> 00:31:33,725 And they agreed to give her a ride home at that time. 657 00:31:33,825 --> 00:31:35,561 [car wooshing past] 658 00:31:37,829 --> 00:31:39,065 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): David Courtney 659 00:31:39,165 --> 00:31:42,034 stated that his wife drove and he sat in the back seat 660 00:31:42,134 --> 00:31:43,402 with her their intended victim. 661 00:31:43,502 --> 00:31:46,572 [inaudible] we're just taking you back and it's all over. 662 00:31:46,672 --> 00:31:48,707 That's all. 663 00:31:48,807 --> 00:31:50,509 No problem at all. 664 00:31:50,609 --> 00:31:51,810 This is your road, right? 665 00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:54,280 I mean, you can see it. 666 00:31:54,380 --> 00:31:56,082 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Courtney said he had already 667 00:31:56,182 --> 00:31:58,117 killed once, and he and his wife were 668 00:31:58,217 --> 00:32:00,386 afraid that this woman would go to the police 669 00:32:00,486 --> 00:32:01,353 if they let her live. 670 00:32:01,453 --> 00:32:02,654 [inaudible] recognize this place. 671 00:32:02,754 --> 00:32:03,956 Is this it? - This is it. 672 00:32:04,056 --> 00:32:05,224 You know-- hey baby, you're going down the right road? 673 00:32:05,324 --> 00:32:06,292 This is not the way home. This is not the way home. 674 00:32:06,392 --> 00:32:07,193 It's not. 675 00:32:07,293 --> 00:32:08,227 [struggling] 676 00:32:20,739 --> 00:32:22,441 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): According to David Courtney, 677 00:32:22,541 --> 00:32:24,977 he and his wife dumped their victim near the Louisiana, 678 00:32:25,077 --> 00:32:26,278 Mississippi State line. 679 00:32:26,378 --> 00:32:27,446 Come on! 680 00:32:27,546 --> 00:32:28,714 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): They made absolutely 681 00:32:28,814 --> 00:32:29,982 no attempt to hide the body. 682 00:32:30,082 --> 00:32:30,983 Come on, grab her legs. 683 00:32:31,083 --> 00:32:32,451 I got her. 684 00:32:32,551 --> 00:32:33,885 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Detective Lambert 685 00:32:33,986 --> 00:32:35,621 was becoming more and more certain 686 00:32:35,721 --> 00:32:40,259 that the Courtney's victim had indeed been Mary Ann Perez. 687 00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:42,194 DAVID: Come on, let's get out of here. 688 00:32:42,294 --> 00:32:43,395 I'm going to show you a photograph 689 00:32:43,495 --> 00:32:45,331 and I want you to take a look at it 690 00:32:45,431 --> 00:32:48,800 and see whether or not you can identify this person. 691 00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:49,901 DAVID: Um, could be. 692 00:32:50,002 --> 00:32:51,170 Yeah, it kind of looks like her. 693 00:32:51,270 --> 00:32:54,640 A little bit heavy, but I can't be 100% sure of it. 694 00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:56,342 Yeah, I think so, maybe. 695 00:32:56,442 --> 00:32:58,144 BOB LAMBERT: I'm going to show you a small photograph. 696 00:32:58,244 --> 00:32:59,645 I want you look at and see if you recognize 697 00:32:59,745 --> 00:33:00,946 anything in that photograph. 698 00:33:01,047 --> 00:33:02,048 DAVID: Well yeah, that's her car. 699 00:33:02,148 --> 00:33:03,549 It's green. 700 00:33:03,649 --> 00:33:06,352 Definitely, uh-huh. 701 00:33:06,452 --> 00:33:08,320 Yeah, that's her car. 702 00:33:12,924 --> 00:33:14,226 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Detective Lambert 703 00:33:14,326 --> 00:33:16,995 next questioned Courtney's wife, specifically 704 00:33:17,096 --> 00:33:18,397 about Mary Ann's purse. 705 00:33:18,497 --> 00:33:19,598 [inaudible] police department. 706 00:33:19,698 --> 00:33:20,832 I spoke with your attorney last night. 707 00:33:20,932 --> 00:33:22,368 It's my understanding that you don't wish to-- 708 00:33:22,468 --> 00:33:24,503 BOB LAMBERT: I asked her if the female they abducted had 709 00:33:24,603 --> 00:33:28,140 a purse and she said yes, that she threw 710 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,142 it over the side of a bridge that they 711 00:33:30,242 --> 00:33:32,811 were crossing at the time. 712 00:33:32,911 --> 00:33:34,646 SHANNON (VOICEOVER): My daddy came into the room, 713 00:33:34,746 --> 00:33:40,786 and he got us all together, and he said to us-- he said, 714 00:33:40,886 --> 00:33:42,354 mama is dead. 715 00:33:42,454 --> 00:33:46,792 He said they found that people that did it and she's dead. 716 00:33:46,892 --> 00:33:48,727 She's gone. 717 00:33:48,827 --> 00:33:55,167 And it tore us up because we had a lot of hope until that. 718 00:33:58,036 --> 00:33:59,037 DAVID'S WIFE: Get her out, quick. 719 00:33:59,138 --> 00:33:59,971 DAVID: Get her legs. 720 00:34:00,072 --> 00:34:00,539 DAVID'S WIFE: I got it, I got it. 721 00:34:00,639 --> 00:34:01,873 Just move her. 722 00:34:01,973 --> 00:34:02,841 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Based on Courtney's statement, 723 00:34:02,941 --> 00:34:04,610 an extensive search was conducted. 724 00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:06,712 A body was not recovered even though all 725 00:34:06,812 --> 00:34:08,614 of Courtney's other victims had been found 726 00:34:08,714 --> 00:34:11,883 where he said they would be. 727 00:34:11,983 --> 00:34:13,519 [car door slams] 728 00:34:13,619 --> 00:34:15,221 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The Courtney's were never 729 00:34:15,321 --> 00:34:17,022 charged with Mary Ann's murder. 730 00:34:17,123 --> 00:34:22,461 The slim hope that she was alive continued to flicker. 731 00:34:22,561 --> 00:34:25,831 Then in 1990, the case of Mary Ann Perez 732 00:34:25,931 --> 00:34:28,800 was resurrected once more. 733 00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:30,569 [phone ringing] 734 00:34:30,669 --> 00:34:33,305 15 Years after Mary Ann's disappearance, 735 00:34:33,405 --> 00:34:35,073 the wife of her oldest son, Elward, 736 00:34:35,174 --> 00:34:37,409 received a phone call from a woman who claimed 737 00:34:37,509 --> 00:34:38,910 to be Mary Ann's best friend. 738 00:34:39,010 --> 00:34:40,646 I'm not going to let you speak with him unless you 739 00:34:40,746 --> 00:34:41,847 tell me what it's about. 740 00:34:41,947 --> 00:34:43,182 SHAWN (VOICEOVER): She asked to speak with Elward 741 00:34:43,282 --> 00:34:45,617 and he wasn't home, and I didn't want to tell the stranger 742 00:34:45,717 --> 00:34:47,653 that my husband wasn't home. 743 00:34:47,753 --> 00:34:49,087 She asked to speak with Elward again, 744 00:34:49,188 --> 00:34:51,089 and I said well, if you're not going to tell me who you are, 745 00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:52,791 I'm not going to let you speak with him. 746 00:34:52,891 --> 00:34:55,427 And she said, well, it's about Mary Ann. 747 00:34:55,527 --> 00:34:57,062 And I said, what about Miss Mary Ann? 748 00:34:57,163 --> 00:34:59,898 And she said, well, Miss Mary Ann's still alive. 749 00:34:59,998 --> 00:35:01,467 WOMAN (ON PHONE): I'm calling for Mary Ann 750 00:35:01,567 --> 00:35:03,135 because they won't let her call. 751 00:35:03,235 --> 00:35:07,573 Mary Ann can't remember-- look, do you have Donna's number? 752 00:35:07,673 --> 00:35:09,040 No, I don't know Donna's number, but I can-- 753 00:35:09,141 --> 00:35:10,709 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The caller was emphatic. 754 00:35:10,809 --> 00:35:12,878 She would not be able to telephone again. 755 00:35:12,978 --> 00:35:15,247 Like Mary Ann, she was not allowed. 756 00:35:15,347 --> 00:35:17,916 WOMAN (ON PHONE): I'm telling you, Mary Ann is still alive. 757 00:35:18,016 --> 00:35:20,219 I don't understand why you don't want to help her. 758 00:35:20,319 --> 00:35:21,820 [phone hangs up] 759 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:27,326 That caused me to think more positive that she was alive. 760 00:35:27,426 --> 00:35:29,861 And of course, there were statements made that it's 761 00:35:29,961 --> 00:35:31,397 possibly a prank call. 762 00:35:31,497 --> 00:35:34,766 I don't know, but I do know that if she is alive, 763 00:35:34,866 --> 00:35:36,134 I'd like to see her. 764 00:35:36,235 --> 00:35:37,503 I'd like to find her. 765 00:35:37,603 --> 00:35:40,506 And I feel that I'm speaking for my family, and her family, 766 00:35:40,606 --> 00:35:42,608 and her children, her husband. 767 00:35:42,708 --> 00:35:44,009 We'd all like to have her to come home. 768 00:35:47,546 --> 00:35:48,814 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The authorities 769 00:35:48,914 --> 00:35:50,882 believe it is almost impossible that Mary 770 00:35:50,982 --> 00:35:53,785 Ann Perez might still be alive. 771 00:35:53,885 --> 00:35:56,455 However, Mary Ann's family clings to the fragile belief 772 00:35:56,555 --> 00:35:59,625 that David Courtney, who admits he was drunk at the time, 773 00:35:59,725 --> 00:36:02,027 did not succeed in his attempt to strangle her. 774 00:36:02,127 --> 00:36:07,266 DAVID: It's OK, [inaudible] it's OK! 775 00:36:07,366 --> 00:36:10,101 SHANNON (VOICEOVER): He murdered several other people 776 00:36:10,202 --> 00:36:13,539 and their bodies were found. 777 00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:17,509 So that gives us some hope that maybe he 778 00:36:17,609 --> 00:36:21,179 might have strangled her unconscious, thinking that she 779 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,915 was dead, and threw her out. 780 00:36:24,015 --> 00:36:26,985 Maybe she had amnesia or something like it. 781 00:36:27,085 --> 00:36:30,756 Or maybe some of the brain cells were destroyed 782 00:36:30,856 --> 00:36:33,725 and she can't remember who she is, or what she was, 783 00:36:33,825 --> 00:36:36,728 and coming to some time after the Courtneys 784 00:36:36,828 --> 00:36:40,198 left, and just wandered out. 785 00:36:40,299 --> 00:36:43,669 SHANNON (VOICEOVER): Maybe she got up several hours later. 786 00:36:43,769 --> 00:36:47,873 Maybe there's a possibility, a slight possibility, that she 787 00:36:47,973 --> 00:36:49,608 is somewhere out there. 788 00:36:49,708 --> 00:36:51,009 [footsteps] 789 00:36:54,813 --> 00:36:56,582 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Did Maryann Perez miraculously 790 00:36:56,682 --> 00:36:59,451 survive, the victim of amnesia? 791 00:36:59,551 --> 00:37:02,120 Or did David Courtney kill her? 792 00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:03,822 Courtney is currently serving a life 793 00:37:03,922 --> 00:37:05,491 sentence for the confessed murder 794 00:37:05,591 --> 00:37:06,458 of one of his other victims. 795 00:37:09,761 --> 00:37:11,630 One day, I think that he did do 796 00:37:11,730 --> 00:37:14,800 it, another day I think I don't know what happened to her. 797 00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:18,437 The fact is, she's gone and has been gone for 15 years. 798 00:37:18,537 --> 00:37:21,907 Whether she's dead or alive, I don't know. 799 00:37:22,007 --> 00:37:27,045 We love her, we miss her, and we want her back. 800 00:37:27,145 --> 00:37:29,848 That's all we want. 801 00:37:29,948 --> 00:37:34,520 And if she's gone, we still want a grave site 802 00:37:34,620 --> 00:37:38,223 to go put flowers on. 803 00:37:38,324 --> 00:37:41,059 For 15 long years, Mary Ann Perez's family 804 00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:43,028 has watched and waited. 805 00:37:43,128 --> 00:37:45,230 They are anxious for any news of Mary Ann, 806 00:37:45,331 --> 00:37:47,366 but they especially hope the woman who telephoned 807 00:37:47,466 --> 00:37:50,201 Shawn Perez will call again. 808 00:37:50,302 --> 00:37:52,738 Mary Ann's family members want the caller to know how 809 00:37:52,838 --> 00:37:55,006 eager they are to cooperate. 810 00:37:55,106 --> 00:37:57,843 Each of them holds onto the hope, however illusory, 811 00:37:57,943 --> 00:38:00,145 that one day Mary Ann will come home. 812 00:38:02,981 --> 00:38:04,215 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Mary Ann Perez 813 00:38:04,316 --> 00:38:06,752 has reddish brown hair and blue eyes. 814 00:38:06,852 --> 00:38:08,954 She is five feet, four inches tall, 815 00:38:09,054 --> 00:38:10,422 and at the time of her disappearance, 816 00:38:10,522 --> 00:38:12,958 weighed 108 pounds. 817 00:38:13,058 --> 00:38:14,826 This is a computer aged photograph 818 00:38:14,926 --> 00:38:17,763 to show how Mary Ann might look today at the age of 48. 819 00:38:28,306 --> 00:38:31,142 When we return, authorities need your help 820 00:38:31,242 --> 00:38:36,782 to track down a clever con man who operates as a doctor. 821 00:38:36,882 --> 00:38:40,218 [theme music] 822 00:38:46,191 --> 00:38:51,262 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Cincinnati, Ohio November 1986. 823 00:38:51,363 --> 00:38:54,265 A smooth talking con artist lays the intricate groundwork 824 00:38:54,366 --> 00:38:57,135 for his latest scam. 825 00:38:57,235 --> 00:38:58,737 - Mike Wills? - Yes. 826 00:38:58,837 --> 00:38:59,905 Dr. John Anderson. How are you doing? 827 00:39:00,005 --> 00:39:00,706 Well, nice to meet you, Doctor. 828 00:39:00,806 --> 00:39:01,840 We spoke on the phone. 829 00:39:01,940 --> 00:39:03,108 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The target is Mike 830 00:39:03,208 --> 00:39:05,276 Wills, a veteran coin dealer. 831 00:39:05,377 --> 00:39:07,679 Like most of us, Mike thinks he would 832 00:39:07,779 --> 00:39:09,114 never fall prey to a con man. 833 00:39:09,214 --> 00:39:10,749 [inaudible] we've been talking about, the maple 834 00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:11,983 leaf and the [inaudible]. 835 00:39:12,083 --> 00:39:15,821 And he came across as a very polite, articulate man, 836 00:39:15,921 --> 00:39:17,789 and I had no reason at that time to doubt that he 837 00:39:17,889 --> 00:39:19,825 was anything other than what he told me he was, 838 00:39:19,925 --> 00:39:21,660 indeed a doctor. 839 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,429 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The corpulent con man 840 00:39:23,529 --> 00:39:25,431 who called himself Doctor John Anderson, 841 00:39:25,531 --> 00:39:28,400 was interested in buying gold coins. 842 00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:30,836 He suggested that Wills visit him at Children's Hospital 843 00:39:30,936 --> 00:39:33,572 and speak to his physician's investment group. 844 00:39:33,672 --> 00:39:35,974 I got to be rushing on over to the hospital. 845 00:39:36,074 --> 00:39:37,709 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The trap was now in place. 846 00:39:37,809 --> 00:39:39,044 [inaudible] and I'll be back with you. 847 00:39:39,144 --> 00:39:40,011 Nice meeting you. 848 00:39:40,111 --> 00:39:41,980 [phone ringing] 849 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,048 Coins plus. 850 00:39:43,148 --> 00:39:44,382 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Two days 851 00:39:44,483 --> 00:39:49,387 later, Dr. Anderson ordered $30,000 worth of gold coins. 852 00:39:49,488 --> 00:39:51,823 Mike Wills agreed to bring the coins to the hospital 853 00:39:51,923 --> 00:39:53,925 when he addressed Anderson's investment group. 854 00:39:57,028 --> 00:39:59,264 At 8:00 AM on November 26th, 1986, 855 00:39:59,364 --> 00:40:04,302 Mike Wills arrived at Children's Hospital. 856 00:40:04,402 --> 00:40:06,271 Dr. Anderson had arranged to meet 857 00:40:06,371 --> 00:40:09,307 with Mike privately before Mike spoke to the physicians group. 858 00:40:09,407 --> 00:40:10,676 WOMAN (ON SPEAKER): Dr. Kravitz, you have 859 00:40:10,776 --> 00:40:12,143 a visitor in the main lobby. 860 00:40:12,243 --> 00:40:13,712 MICHAEL (VOICEOVER): The elevator door opens up 861 00:40:13,812 --> 00:40:16,314 and he's in the elevator. 862 00:40:16,414 --> 00:40:17,415 Hey, Mike, how are you doing? 863 00:40:17,516 --> 00:40:18,383 [inaudible] How are you doing this morning? 864 00:40:18,484 --> 00:40:19,250 Pretty good. How about yourself? 865 00:40:19,350 --> 00:40:20,218 All right, good. 866 00:40:20,318 --> 00:40:21,720 Go ahead and press G for me. - OK. 867 00:40:21,820 --> 00:40:22,688 Thank you. 868 00:40:22,788 --> 00:40:23,855 Now, care for a little transaction? 869 00:40:23,955 --> 00:40:24,956 We'll take care of our business 870 00:40:25,056 --> 00:40:26,124 as soon as we get downstairs. 871 00:40:26,224 --> 00:40:27,092 That's fine. 872 00:40:27,192 --> 00:40:28,193 MICHAEL (VOICEOVER): There were two 873 00:40:28,293 --> 00:40:29,528 other doctors on the elevator. 874 00:40:29,628 --> 00:40:31,563 He was not having conversation with the gentleman-- 875 00:40:31,663 --> 00:40:32,964 See you later. 876 00:40:33,064 --> 00:40:34,399 MICHAEL (VOICEOVER): --but as we got off, he acknowledged them. 877 00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:35,801 I'll just head on over here to radiology. 878 00:40:35,901 --> 00:40:37,035 MICHAEL (VOICEOVER): There was nobody 879 00:40:37,135 --> 00:40:39,304 at all in the hall, which didn't strike 880 00:40:39,404 --> 00:40:42,808 me as being odd because it was so early in the morning. 881 00:40:42,908 --> 00:40:44,743 OK, let's see what we have here. 882 00:40:44,843 --> 00:40:45,711 [door closes] 883 00:40:45,811 --> 00:40:46,945 Over here I have two tubes of gold, 884 00:40:47,045 --> 00:40:48,847 each that have 25 pieces in it. 885 00:40:48,947 --> 00:40:51,349 OK. 886 00:40:51,449 --> 00:40:52,618 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Dr. Anderson 887 00:40:52,718 --> 00:40:55,587 told Mike Wills he had access to his safe upstairs, 888 00:40:55,687 --> 00:40:57,523 where he wanted to store the gold. 889 00:40:57,623 --> 00:40:58,624 He would return momentarily. 890 00:40:58,724 --> 00:41:00,792 [inaudible] business. 891 00:41:00,892 --> 00:41:04,630 You might want to have a seat and I'll be back with a check. 892 00:41:04,730 --> 00:41:06,632 OK? 893 00:41:06,732 --> 00:41:08,634 [door opens and closes] 894 00:41:19,745 --> 00:41:21,547 MICHAEL (VOICEOVER): I sat there thinking back on it. 895 00:41:21,647 --> 00:41:23,982 What seems to be an eternity was most probably more 896 00:41:24,082 --> 00:41:27,553 like five to six minutes, and my gold is gone, 897 00:41:27,653 --> 00:41:31,523 and Doctor Anderson is gone, and I have nothing to show for it. 898 00:41:31,623 --> 00:41:32,991 That was about all I could take, I guess. 899 00:41:33,091 --> 00:41:36,461 At that moment, I got up and I walked out of this blind door, 900 00:41:36,562 --> 00:41:38,730 and now , everybody is there. 901 00:41:38,830 --> 00:41:40,999 I think there's five or six parents in the waiting room. 902 00:41:41,099 --> 00:41:43,334 Now there's a nurse at the nurses station. 903 00:41:43,434 --> 00:41:48,006 WOMAN (ON SPEAKER): Doctor Mark Standler, please dial 1917. 904 00:41:48,106 --> 00:41:49,374 Can I help you? 905 00:41:49,474 --> 00:41:51,777 Yes, I'm Mike Wills from a coin store here in Cincinnati. 906 00:41:51,877 --> 00:41:54,379 I need you to page a Dr. John Anderson for me. 907 00:41:54,479 --> 00:41:56,414 I just gave him a large amount of gold. 908 00:41:56,514 --> 00:41:58,917 There's no Dr. Anderson at this hospital. 909 00:41:59,017 --> 00:42:01,553 There was a Dr. Anderson right down in the room down the hall 910 00:42:01,653 --> 00:42:02,688 five minutes ago. - Well, I'm sorry. 911 00:42:02,788 --> 00:42:04,222 I don't know of any Dr. Anderson on staff here. 912 00:42:04,322 --> 00:42:05,657 You may want to try upstairs. 913 00:42:05,757 --> 00:42:06,958 - You can page for me from here? - Sir. 914 00:42:07,058 --> 00:42:08,393 MICHAEL (VOICEOVER): It made me feel 915 00:42:08,493 --> 00:42:11,062 extremely gullible that I could be 916 00:42:11,162 --> 00:42:14,733 duped so easily out of $30,000. 917 00:42:14,833 --> 00:42:16,167 I trusted a name tag. 918 00:42:16,267 --> 00:42:18,236 I trusted what this man told me. 919 00:42:18,336 --> 00:42:21,272 When he mentioned doctor, maybe checks that I could have made, 920 00:42:21,372 --> 00:42:24,576 I didn't make because this made everything seem right. 921 00:42:24,676 --> 00:42:27,112 Here you go, 10 gold maple leaves. 922 00:42:27,212 --> 00:42:28,947 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Three years, later Dr. Alfred 923 00:42:29,047 --> 00:42:31,983 Evan's, notable for his girth, showed up at a coin shop 924 00:42:32,083 --> 00:42:33,619 in Albany, New York. - Sounds fair enough. 925 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:34,586 Will you take a check? 926 00:42:34,686 --> 00:42:35,654 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The doctor 927 00:42:35,754 --> 00:42:36,655 made several small purchases from a coin 928 00:42:36,755 --> 00:42:39,224 dealer, Wendell Williams. 929 00:42:39,324 --> 00:42:40,792 Then, a new twist. 930 00:42:40,892 --> 00:42:44,630 Williams received a $45,000 gold coin order from Doctor 931 00:42:44,730 --> 00:42:47,465 Evans via Federal Express. 932 00:42:47,565 --> 00:42:49,267 I decided that I wouldn't buy any gold, 933 00:42:49,367 --> 00:42:52,704 but I would see what he did when he came in. 934 00:42:52,804 --> 00:42:55,841 That Saturday, which was on November the 4th, 935 00:42:55,941 --> 00:42:57,208 when I was waiting on other customers, 936 00:42:57,308 --> 00:42:59,645 he came in, in his jovial way, and said hello to me. 937 00:42:59,745 --> 00:43:02,848 The first words out of his mouth was did you get my gold? 938 00:43:02,948 --> 00:43:04,215 I told him no. 939 00:43:04,315 --> 00:43:06,718 He seemed a little alarmed, but turned around and said well, 940 00:43:06,818 --> 00:43:08,186 then what do you have for me? 941 00:43:08,286 --> 00:43:10,856 And he said, what about that Rolex wristwatch that you had? 942 00:43:10,956 --> 00:43:13,058 Well, I got that for somebody else, 943 00:43:13,158 --> 00:43:14,059 but I'll get you some gold. 944 00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:15,994 OK, here you go doc. 945 00:43:16,094 --> 00:43:18,129 80 ounces of gold maple leaves. 946 00:43:18,229 --> 00:43:19,164 How much is this? 947 00:43:19,264 --> 00:43:21,833 It'll be $385.75 each. 948 00:43:21,933 --> 00:43:23,702 All right, I'll make you out a check for it. 949 00:43:23,802 --> 00:43:25,236 You know, I'm going to have to hold the gold 950 00:43:25,336 --> 00:43:26,604 until that check clears. 951 00:43:26,705 --> 00:43:28,807 You know my checks are good. 952 00:43:28,907 --> 00:43:30,008 That might be, but-- 953 00:43:30,108 --> 00:43:31,743 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): When plan A didn't work, 954 00:43:31,843 --> 00:43:33,779 the bogus M.D. switched strategies. 955 00:43:33,879 --> 00:43:36,014 Look, I'll pay [inaudible] just so doesn't happen again, 956 00:43:36,114 --> 00:43:38,316 I'm going to go ahead and make out a blank check. 957 00:43:38,416 --> 00:43:42,387 You hold onto this, and that way next time we 958 00:43:42,487 --> 00:43:43,689 won't have to go through this. 959 00:43:43,789 --> 00:43:44,589 Sounds good. 960 00:43:48,493 --> 00:43:50,195 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): After Evans wrote the check, 961 00:43:50,295 --> 00:43:52,230 he started to chat with another customer 962 00:43:52,330 --> 00:43:54,065 and waited patiently for a new opportunity. 963 00:43:54,165 --> 00:43:55,667 I've got some [inaudible] in one of my offices 964 00:43:55,767 --> 00:43:56,835 that I'm looking to possible-- - Excuse me, fellas. 965 00:43:56,935 --> 00:43:58,036 I've got to take care of a customer. 966 00:43:58,136 --> 00:43:59,170 Sure. 967 00:43:59,270 --> 00:44:00,505 Can I help you? 968 00:44:00,605 --> 00:44:02,240 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): With Wendell Williams occupied, 969 00:44:02,340 --> 00:44:03,842 the coast was clear. 970 00:44:03,942 --> 00:44:06,444 Plan B went off without a hitch. 971 00:44:06,544 --> 00:44:09,781 All right, I'll tell you what, if you do me a favor, 972 00:44:09,881 --> 00:44:12,417 uh, I've got to get running off to the hospital. 973 00:44:12,517 --> 00:44:15,887 So I'm going to leave these checks here, 974 00:44:15,987 --> 00:44:17,188 and if you can just do me a favor 975 00:44:17,288 --> 00:44:19,124 and make sure that he gets them. 976 00:44:19,224 --> 00:44:20,525 Sure. 977 00:44:20,625 --> 00:44:22,127 Take care of this for me. 978 00:44:22,227 --> 00:44:23,561 OK. 979 00:44:23,661 --> 00:44:25,330 All right, thank you very much. 980 00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:26,865 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): As one might expect, 981 00:44:26,965 --> 00:44:28,433 Dr. Evans skipped town. 982 00:44:28,533 --> 00:44:32,838 His check for more than $30,000 was, of course, no good. 983 00:44:35,473 --> 00:44:37,976 In trying to track the activities of Doctor Evans, 984 00:44:38,076 --> 00:44:40,645 we've noticed that he'll be in town for a couple of months 985 00:44:40,746 --> 00:44:42,948 to pull his scam, and then he'll be disappeared 986 00:44:43,048 --> 00:44:44,082 for a couple of months. 987 00:44:44,182 --> 00:44:45,784 We can't seem to find out what he's been doing 988 00:44:45,884 --> 00:44:47,886 during that period of time. 989 00:44:47,986 --> 00:44:49,454 There will be gaps of anywhere from two 990 00:44:49,554 --> 00:44:51,389 to five months between cities. 991 00:44:51,489 --> 00:44:54,292 He could be doing anything from having a legitimate business, 992 00:44:54,392 --> 00:44:57,963 pulling another scam, or just plain vacationing somewhere. 993 00:44:58,063 --> 00:44:59,364 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Authorities 994 00:44:59,464 --> 00:45:03,068 have uncovered these photographs of the elusive pseudo Doctor. 995 00:45:03,168 --> 00:45:07,105 They were taken in 1990 at a bank in Massachusetts. 996 00:45:07,205 --> 00:45:10,375 The authorities do not know the con man doctors real name, 997 00:45:10,475 --> 00:45:12,177 but in addition to Anderson and Evans, 998 00:45:12,277 --> 00:45:13,979 he is also used the aliases Doctor 999 00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:17,148 John Miller, Doctor Michael Baker, and Doctor Brown. 1000 00:45:25,590 --> 00:45:27,959 [music playing] 1001 00:45:42,707 --> 00:45:44,609 [theme music] 1002 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,983 Join me next time for another edition 1003 00:45:52,083 --> 00:45:54,685 of "Unsolved Mysteries." 77884

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