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NARRATOR: This program is
about unsolved mysteries.
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Whenever possible, the
actual family members
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and police officials
have participated
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in recreating the events.
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What you are about to see
is not a news broadcast.
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Tonight, on "Unsolved
Mysteries," four eerie
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tales for all Hallows' Eve.
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The legend of a gray man.
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For more than a century,
this solitary ghost
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has wandered the sand dunes of
a tiny island in South Carolina.
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Some residents claim that
his ghostly appearance
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has protected their homes from
the fury of Hurricane Hugo.
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Halloween, 1988,
29-year-old David Stone
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embarked on a bizarre
spiritual journey
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across the New Mexico desert.
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He left behind a trail
of baffling clues,
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and then mysteriously vanished.
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Eyewitnesses claim
that this woman
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possesses remarkable
psychic ability,
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both mental and physical.
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An extraordinary case
of paranormal powers
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or a brilliant deception?
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We'll also bring you
an intriguing update
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on last season's story
about reincarnation.
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Can we truly experience a past
life or is it all in the mind?
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Join me.
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It's Halloween night on
"Unsolved Mysteries."
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[theme music]
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Traditionally in
Halloween ghost stories,
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ghosts are described as
frightening entities.
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But on a tiny island
in South Carolina,
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they tell of a very
different kind of spirit.
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Over the last 170 years,
five deadly Hurricanes have
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ripped through Pawleys Island.
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Every single one of
these storms have
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been accompanied by a
local sighting of a ghost
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known as the Gray Man.
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In a bizarre
coincidence, apparently
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every person who has
encountered the ghost
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has been spared from harm.
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Fairy tale or evidence
that ghosts do exist?
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The record may speak for itself.
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The legend of the Gray Man began
in the late summer of 1822.
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Along the dunes of a deserted
beach on Pawleys Island,
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a wealthy young planter
rode with his man servant
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on a mission of the heart.
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His destination was his
fiance's plantation.
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The wedding was just
days away, but the groom
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was overcome with youthful
emotion and impatience.
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By the time he could be
pulled out of the marsh,
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it was too late.
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The young man was dead.
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At the plantation,
the bride-to-be
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heard the tragic news.
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PAPA: Rachel.
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RACHAEL: Yes, Papa?
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It's James.
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He was riding, and
he fell in the marsh.
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Oh.
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He died from the fall.
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ROBERT STACK: According
to the legend,
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a girl took to
wandering the shore
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alone contemplating a life she
no longer had reason to live.
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One afternoon she
discerned a shadowy form
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standing in the sands.
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That night her betrothed
whispered an urgent warning.
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GHOST: Leave the island.
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The wind is coming.
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ROBERT STACK: She
and her parents
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left the next day just
before a hurricane
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slammed into the island.
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But the girl, her family, and
miraculously their plantation
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were spared.
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The specter of the dead
lover had voiced a warning
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from beyond the grave.
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It was not to be the last time.
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One of the next recorded
sightings of the Gray Man
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took place on Pawleys Island
at the turn of the century.
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In anticipation of an
approaching hurricane,
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a tenant farmer was herding
animals owned by a local family
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off the island when he
encountered the Gray Man.
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Hey, mister, you better
follow me off the island,
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there's going to
be a storm tonight.
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I say, follow me off the island.
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There's going to
be a storm tonight.
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Oh, you're crazy,
man, do what you want.
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The following day's
hurricane went
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right past the
family's plantation
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sparing them from destruction.
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GENEVIEVE PETERKIN:
The property owned
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by that family was protected
in the hurricane, which
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is always what happens
when the great Gray
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Man appears to someone.
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That was in October of 1893.
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But through the
years, there have
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been numbers of
different stories,
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often in the newspaper,
after a storm.
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And in 1954, a man who
lived in Georgetown
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had a summer home
at Pawleys Island
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and saw the Gray Man
before Hurricane Hazel.
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His home was so protected that
beach towels that they had left
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hanging on the railing of
the porch were still there
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after the storm.
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Well, I was here in Hurricane
Hazel, so it's very hard for me
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to believe the
beach towels could
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have remained on that railing
and not have been blown away,
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but they did.
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ROBERT STACK: In 1954, hurricane
Hazel had left the Southern
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Atlantic Coast in ruins.
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35 people were killed and over
1800 homes were destroyed.
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For the next 35 years, the
killer winds steered clear
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of Pawleys Island,
and the Gray Man
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came to be perceived
by locals as something
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of a guardian angel.
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GENEVIEVE PETERKIN:
When he appears to you,
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you're very blessed
and fortunate.
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Your house will be saved.
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And so I think it's
strange how people seem
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to have a sense of
fear about ghosts,
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and yet the Gray Man
is a benign and kindly
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person who helps people when
he comes and appears to them.
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ROBERT STACK: Midnight,
September 22nd, 1989,
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after laying waste
to the Caribbean,
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Hurricane Hugo slammed into
the coast of South Carolina.
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Its winds ripped
through the coastline
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at speeds in excess
of 135 miles per hour.
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Thousands were forced
to flee their homes.
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In South Carolina alone,
there was close to $5 billion
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worth of damage.
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Over 9,000 homes were destroyed.
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Pawleys Island was
particularly hard hit.
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JIM MOORE: Well, it looked
like a giant dump pile.
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Chairs, couches, iceboxes,
all that stuff was piled up
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in the middle of the road.
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It was terrible.
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CLARA MOORE: It practically
destroyed Pawleys Island.
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It destroyed 14
houses in our section.
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Ours was left standing.
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ROBERT STACK: Amazingly, even
though the entire neighborhood
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was destroyed, the Moore's
home was virtually unscathed.
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CLARA MOORE: As we went in, I
was so happy to find everything
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just like I had left it.
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The papers that we
had on the counter,
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still there, even though the
front door had blown open.
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There was no evidence of any
water or anything inside,
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and the house was intact.
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JIM MOORE: Even the
little pictures and things
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were still on the refrigerator.
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They weren't even blown off.
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The salt and pepper shakers
were still on the counter,
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and little things that I
left around were still there.
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ROBERT STACK: The
devastation to the rest
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of the homes on the island
brought about local speculation
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as to the Gray
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Caught up in the aftermath of
the hurricane, Jim and Clara
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Moore had completely
forgotten about a haunting
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encounter that occurred two
days before Hugo struck.
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CLARA MOORE: We didn't
think much about it
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until later on when the
article came out in the paper,
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"The Gray Man Failed to Appear."
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And then we talked about,
well, we had seen him.
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Hard to walk in
the sand, isn't it?
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We were taking a walk
late in the afternoon,
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which we usually do.
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And you see so many people
walking on the beach
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at this time of the day.
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That particular afternoon
we only saw the one,
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and he was coming
directly toward us.
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When I got within
speaking distance,
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I decided, well you always speak
to people whether you know them
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or not, so I raised
my hand to say hi,
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or beautiful evening, or
beautiful night, or whatever,
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and he disappeared.
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What happened?
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Where'd he go?
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JIM MOORE: I don't
know how to explain it,
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because an eerie thing
like that, you know.
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But, of course, I
didn't worry too
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much about it, because I said,
well, I was just seeing things.
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But I'm sure that he was there,
and when I started to speak,
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he wasn't there.
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I didn't know it
was the Gray Man.
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I just thought it was someone on
the beach until he disappeared.
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And then that's
set us to thinking.
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I can't explain
our good fortune,
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except through the presence
of the Gray Man and the Lord,
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of course.
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He may have used the Gray Man.
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But I know our house was saved.
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JIM MOORE: I can't
think of any way
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that you could rationalize
the saving of our house,
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except it had to be a miracle.
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I never did believe
too much in ghosts.
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I have changed my outlook.
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I believe there are ghosts.
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After seeing a ghost, you
got to believe it, you know.
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ROBERT STACK: Is said that every
legend has some basis in truth.
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According to the story, the Gray
Man ended his tenure on earth
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with an urgent mission
unaccomplished his great love
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irretrievably lost.
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Yet, some say he unknowingly
walks the sands of Pawleys
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Island still searching for the
woman who has been in her grave
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for over a century.
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It is somehow inspiring
to contemplate a love
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so strong as to defy death.
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But if these witnesses
are to be believed,
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and the Gray Man's personal
tragedy has led to others
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salvation, and to those whose
homes and lives he has helped
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to save, the only
real tragedy is
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that they cannot give the Gray
Man a heartfelt thank you.
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Next, the strange case
of a young and successful
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stockbroker who vanished
in the New Mexico desert.
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[music playing]
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The desert that stretches
across Arizona and New Mexico
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has been a part of
Native American myth
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and legend for centuries.
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Many believe it is a
source of mystical power,
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a spiritual vortex where natural
beauty and supernatural energy
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mysteriously merge.
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In 1988, this picturesque
but unforgiving wilderness
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became the setting for
a real life mystery.
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It all began on
Halloween two years ago.
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Dawn, October 31st, 140 miles
east of Tucson, Arizona,
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local farmer Larry
Rivers encountered
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a young stranger who claimed
to be searching for the beast.
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LARRY RIVERS: And it was
pretty cold that morning.
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I come driving out on
my road, and this guy
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has walking out here in
a short sleeved shirt
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and a pair of shorts on and
carrying a stick in his hand.
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Hello, you lost?
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No, I'm not lost.
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Well, what are
you doing out here?
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I'm looking for the beast.
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And I told him he wasn't going
to find the beast out here,
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and he told me he'd find it.
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Well, I'm going
to keep looking.
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You need a ride somewhere?
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No.
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I thought it was weird.
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ROBERT STACK: The stranger
was later identified
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as 29-year-old David Stone.
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He has not been seen or
heard from in two years.
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David Stone was a highly
successful stock market analyst
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who ran a branch of
his father's business
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in La Jolla, California.
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But about four years ago,
David expressed the desire
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to change his life and
became increasingly involved
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with a New Age movement.
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The term New Age encompasses
a variety of religious beliefs
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and philosophies that
promote self enlightenment
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and spiritual growth.
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Many followers believe that they
can tap into a universal energy
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through the use of crystals,
pyramid power, and meditation.
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But in this case, David Stone's
unyielding obsession with a new
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found spirituality may
have sent him on a journey
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from which there is no return.
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HARRY STONE: Well,
I think he could
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best be described as an
overachiever in just about
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every way.
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You've never met are a kinder,
gentler young man than him,
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very close to family.
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But then on the other hand, you
put him in a football uniform,
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and he was like a
proverbial commando.
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ROBERT STACK: For years, David
struggled with his dual nature.
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Hey, I said,
don't be doing that.
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What's your problem, man?
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ROBERT STACK: On
October 28th, 1988,
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during a party at his apartment,
David temporarily lost control.
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Hey, hey, what's going on?
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JOHN DUFFUS: David
started hitting him.
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He said he might have hit
him, oh, 20, 25 times.
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He didn't really hurt him, but
felt like he had to do that.
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Roughly around 9 o'clock in
the morning, he came down
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and told me what he had done.
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Where you going?
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Oh, I'm not sure.
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Grand Canyon, Sonora
Desert, I don't know.
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ROBERT STACK: David
told John that he
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needed to get away to reflect
on his explosive behavior.
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He said he would return
home in a few days.
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Well, take care of yourself.
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OK, later.
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Later.
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ROBERT STACK: Five
days later, David's car
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was discovered on
a desolate stretch
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of New Mexico Highway 80.
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HARRY STONE: When we
hadn't heard from him,
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we called the New
Mexico State Police,
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and his car had been
found abandoned,
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and they had towed it in.
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ROBERT STACK: Police
interviewed local residents
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and learned that
several had seen David.
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LILLIAN RICHINS: We had
left our home in Cotton City
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and were driving
up to the ranch.
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As we went by, we
saw this young man
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and we thought perhaps
he'd had car trouble.
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So we stopped.
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Hi.
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Hi.
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You broke down?
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You have car trouble?
- No.
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I'm OK.
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Thank you.
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LILLIAN RICHINS: And
so we just went on.
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I am the power.
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I am the power.
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GLENN DUNCAN: I
heard this voice,
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and I seen this man walking
across the way there.
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Be gone.
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I am the power.
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GLENN DUNCAN: I thought it was
unusual that he'd be going out
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across the desert at that
time of the year in shorts
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with no coat or
anything, you know.
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ROBERT STACK: David's car was
found near the Pyramid Mountain
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Range.
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Pyramids are an integral
part of New Age philosophy.
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And each year, many believers
come here to experience what
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are known as vision quests.
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According to New Age
philosophy, a vision quest
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is an introspective
journey taken in order
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to discover one's inner self.
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It is believed that through
isolation and meditation
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a person can experience
a vision which will
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reveal their true identity.
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HARRY STONE: I am convinced
that once he arrived
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at that location, that he
felt like this would be
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the perfect starting point
for whatever vision quest
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he personally felt that
he had to embark on.
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There's quite a
process of preparation.
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In that process you
have to face what
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they term as being the beast.
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This beast is that evil or
negativism which is in you.
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And it is the object that
must be faced by every person
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and conquered before you can
reach this state of oneness
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with God.
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ROBERT STACK: Four days after
his son's car was discovered,
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Harry Stone joined a full scale
manhunt launched by the Boot
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Heel Search and Rescue team.
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For three days they scoured
the desert using four planes
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and more than 40 trackers
and volunteers on the ground.
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David's trail headed
Northwest from his car
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in the direction
of Granite Peak.
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RALPH DAWDY: We thought
it was interesting
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because that mountain
from the south
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looks kind of pyramid shaped.
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It has an interesting look
to it that might have meant
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something to his religion.
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It might not have.
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ROBERT STACK: One half mile
from the highway, searchers
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discovered the first in a series
of bizarre clues left by David.
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JOHN HILL: That's when they
found a large pyramid up
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in that wash that had been
made out of sand, mounded up,
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and rocks on the corner.
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That was the first
thing we found.
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After I got further
down the canyon,
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it seemed like the
tracks were real fresh.
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I had a real strange feeling.
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The hair stood up
on my arms, and I
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had an intense feeling that
he was sitting watching me.
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Come here.
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JOHN HILL: You find something?
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ROBERT STACK: On the second
day, trackers discovered
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another puzzling clue.
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Once again, David had
erected a small pyramid,
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but this time, he left
behind his gold Rolex
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watch and two quarters.
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I wonder how come he
left his watch here?
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I don't know what that means.
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It must be something
to do with his religion.
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The coins and David's watch
were found here, about 1/4
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mile from the first pyramid.
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Approximately three miles to
the north, another puzzling clue
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was discovered.
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Searchers came upon
a strange sequence
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of numbers written in the sand.
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They later learned that
these numbers are called
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a Fibonacci series
and are used by stock
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market analysts the world over.
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But the last number in the
sequence should have been 21.
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Oddly, David wrote 18.
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HARRY STONE: He knew
better than that.
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So it's one of the
mysteries, is why would
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he write 18 instead of 21?
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But that goes along with a lot
of other unanswered questions.
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It's real rare for a person
to be out as long as he probably
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was without ever
losing a gum wrapper
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or without ever finding
any sign where they slept,
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where they ate.
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Any sign of that kind
of stuff we never found.
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ROBERT STACK: The
stones now feel
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that the number 18 may have
been David's way of telling
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them he was in trouble.
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Ironically, his car was
found at mile marker 18.
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And during his senior
year in college
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David's football
jersey number was 18.
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By the final day of the search,
the elements had all but
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obliterated David's footprints.
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However, bloodhounds
were able to track scent
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over the rocky desert terrain.
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They followed it
back to Highway 80.
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When they came to the
intersection of Interstate 10,
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David's trail suddenly stopped
approximately 13 miles north
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of where his car was found.
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At the time we took
it to be a hopeful sign
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that he had hitchhiked out,
or that somebody had given him
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a ride, and that was
the only thing we could
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understand that would mean
why the scent disappeared
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like it did.
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Well, I just kept feeling
that everything was there
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to let us know what had happened
but we just weren't seeing it.
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ROBERT STACK: At the
conclusion of the search,
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Carol and Harry Stone made a
more extensive inventory of
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the items left in David's car.
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Tucked away in a pocket
version of the New Testament,
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they found a
business card bearing
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the name of a Tony Ballesteros
and an Arizona phone number.
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They immediately
contacted Ballesteros.
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I never met
David Stone myself,
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but the possible way he
could have gotten my card
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is I placed it in a mesquite
tree for other friends
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to find our campsite.
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Maybe the wind blew it down,
and he picked it up later.
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At this point,
nothing makes sense
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how my card got into his
Bible to tell you the truth.
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In In addition to
the business card,
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the stones found a
strangely worded note.
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HARRY STONE: The note said, they
think the Word is in the safe.
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Six knives in Rob's room.
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Yous buys your tea and yous
takes your chances Halloween.
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00:23:24,804 --> 00:23:26,305
We don't know what
the word "tea" means.
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00:23:26,405 --> 00:23:29,709
We think it's the old
saying, you buy your ticket
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and you take your chances.
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But it just says yous
buys your tea and yous
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takes your chances Halloween.
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And that was the
day he disappeared,
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which was October
31st Halloween.
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ROBERT STACK: What
is the meaning
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behind the strange clues that
David left across the desert?
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Were they a coded message
that he was in trouble?
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Or were they a sign of
his ultimate destination?
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It seems apparent that
David managed to walk out
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of the desert, but
what became of him
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after he reached the
intersection of Highway
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80 and Interstate 10?
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CAROL STONE: There are always
those unanswered questions.
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You know, life has to go on.
447
00:24:17,356 --> 00:24:21,160
And it's very
difficult at times.
448
00:24:21,260 --> 00:24:23,796
And we would always
want him to feel
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free to contact us, and let
him know that we love him,
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and we want to hear from him.
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But we know we face
the possibilities--
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ROBERT STACK: When we
return, the story of a woman
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named Katie who has
reportedly demonstrated
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bizarre psychic abilities
that defy explanation.
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00:25:23,355 --> 00:25:26,092
You're about to meet
a woman named Katie.
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According to
witnesses, Katie can
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predict the future, materialize
objects out of thin air.
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She has supposedly written
perfect medieval French while
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in a trance, a
surprising accomplishment
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for a person who claims that she
never learned to read or write.
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00:25:40,439 --> 00:25:41,808
Throughout history
many have claimed
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to possess psychic
powers, but have
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00:25:43,542 --> 00:25:46,946
been exposed as clever
fakes using sleight of hand.
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00:25:47,046 --> 00:25:50,016
Is Katie gifted with
eerie paranormal abilities
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or is she just a
talented magician
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with extraordinary
powers of illusion?
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You be the judge.
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00:25:58,490 --> 00:26:00,559
I'll see people
that ain't there.
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00:26:00,660 --> 00:26:04,463
And I hear voices that
no one else hears.
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Objects coming from eyes, ears,
nose, mouth just popping out.
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00:26:12,571 --> 00:26:17,509
I've seen her take forks,
spoons, nails, anything
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00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:21,447
like that, and by doing this,
she could take two fingers
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00:26:21,547 --> 00:26:22,882
and you could watch it droop.
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00:26:22,982 --> 00:26:26,518
I saw Katie's face go from
nothing there to the diamond
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start to come out of her eye.
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00:26:28,955 --> 00:26:32,859
Katie is a great classical,
physical medium, a psychic who
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00:26:32,959 --> 00:26:35,261
has the ability or
apparently the ability's
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a gift which she
has where things
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happen which is unexplainable.
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00:26:39,198 --> 00:26:40,933
Physical things,
mind over matter,
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seeds germinating, things
moving without reason,
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things appearing
and disappearing,
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00:26:46,338 --> 00:26:48,607
and all kinds of prophesy,
all kinds of things,
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both mental and
physical phenomena.
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ROBERT STACK: Katie says
that her odd experiences
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began in 1974.
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She was 25 years old.
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KATIE: I was cleaning
in my kitchen,
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and this man opens the door,
and he comes in, and proceeds
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to go back to my bedroom.
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I thought It was the guy
that we were renting from.
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00:27:20,873 --> 00:27:24,310
So I go back to the bedroom
to see what he wants.
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And when I get back there,
there's nobody there.
494
00:27:30,717 --> 00:27:34,721
So I'm thinking, ooh,
god, I'm losing it.
495
00:27:34,821 --> 00:27:39,926
You know I seen this man walk
in my door back to my bedroom.
496
00:27:40,026 --> 00:27:42,028
My windows are locked.
497
00:27:42,128 --> 00:27:46,766
There's no way out,
and he's not there.
498
00:27:46,866 --> 00:27:49,035
ROBERT STACK: Several days later
Katie's husband brought home
499
00:27:49,135 --> 00:27:51,170
a family photo album
which Katie claims
500
00:27:51,270 --> 00:27:53,072
she had never seen before.
501
00:27:53,172 --> 00:27:54,807
That's him.
502
00:27:54,907 --> 00:27:56,308
That's the man I saw.
503
00:27:56,408 --> 00:27:58,745
That's my dad.
504
00:27:58,845 --> 00:28:00,479
KATIE: He had a picture of him.
505
00:28:00,579 --> 00:28:03,515
And I said, well, this is
the man that opened the door.
506
00:28:03,615 --> 00:28:06,618
And he says, it can't be.
507
00:28:06,719 --> 00:28:08,687
He said, that's my dad.
508
00:28:08,788 --> 00:28:12,458
I'd never, never seen
a picture of his dad,
509
00:28:12,558 --> 00:28:18,597
but his dad had died maybe five
years before we'd ever met.
510
00:28:18,697 --> 00:28:20,599
My view myself
was very skeptical
511
00:28:20,699 --> 00:28:23,135
when it comes to psychics.
512
00:28:23,235 --> 00:28:26,272
I view myself as very
skeptical anyway.
513
00:28:26,372 --> 00:28:28,775
If I can't see something
that's quite tangible,
514
00:28:28,875 --> 00:28:30,242
I just don't believe it.
515
00:28:30,342 --> 00:28:32,812
And in this
particular case, we've
516
00:28:32,912 --> 00:28:35,614
seen some things that
were quite astounding
517
00:28:35,714 --> 00:28:36,682
that I can't explain.
518
00:28:39,952 --> 00:28:41,520
ROBERT STACK: Jerry
Burr is a retired police
519
00:28:41,620 --> 00:28:43,355
investigator who
has enlisted Katie's
520
00:28:43,455 --> 00:28:46,358
help on several occasions.
521
00:28:46,458 --> 00:28:49,628
In one burglary investigation,
Burr withheld the location
522
00:28:49,728 --> 00:28:51,397
of the crime scene from Katie.
523
00:28:51,497 --> 00:28:52,364
That's it.
524
00:28:52,464 --> 00:28:53,800
That's the house.
525
00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:55,267
This is the house here?
526
00:28:58,737 --> 00:29:00,907
OK, that's the right one.
527
00:29:01,007 --> 00:29:02,975
According to
Burr, Katie not only
528
00:29:03,075 --> 00:29:06,813
found the house she described
the oriental art inside
529
00:29:06,913 --> 00:29:08,347
and said that something
had been stolen
530
00:29:08,447 --> 00:29:11,283
from a box in a blue room.
531
00:29:11,383 --> 00:29:13,019
JERRY BURR: As we
walked in the entry way,
532
00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:15,487
it was all oriental art.
533
00:29:15,587 --> 00:29:17,489
We walked into the
room, the bedroom
534
00:29:17,589 --> 00:29:20,126
that the items were taken
from, and it turned out
535
00:29:20,226 --> 00:29:22,528
the bedroom was blue as well.
536
00:29:22,628 --> 00:29:23,963
She had said it was
taken from a box
537
00:29:24,063 --> 00:29:25,364
and sure enough the
items that were taken
538
00:29:25,464 --> 00:29:28,767
were from a cherry wood box.
539
00:29:28,868 --> 00:29:30,870
I didn't know what
to think at first.
540
00:29:30,970 --> 00:29:34,106
Because she was so dead on, and
because I am quite skeptical,
541
00:29:34,206 --> 00:29:37,576
I started looking at
Katie as a good suspect.
542
00:29:37,676 --> 00:29:39,611
I just wasn't aware
that she was that good.
543
00:29:43,049 --> 00:29:47,186
ROBERT STACK: 15 minutes later,
Katie had another premonition.
544
00:29:47,286 --> 00:29:51,623
KATIE: As we left the house,
we were driving back around,
545
00:29:51,723 --> 00:29:56,628
and I kept smelling this odor.
546
00:29:56,728 --> 00:29:58,497
I smell marijuana.
547
00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:04,303
I don't smell anything, Katie.
548
00:30:04,403 --> 00:30:05,637
Stop the car.
549
00:30:05,737 --> 00:30:07,673
This is where it's strongest.
550
00:30:07,773 --> 00:30:09,275
And he says, well,
what direction
551
00:30:09,375 --> 00:30:11,510
is it come coming from now?
552
00:30:11,610 --> 00:30:13,045
And I said from the water there.
553
00:30:13,145 --> 00:30:16,548
So we was up on this like dock.
554
00:30:16,648 --> 00:30:20,887
And he asked me if I could still
smell it, and I told him, yes.
555
00:30:20,987 --> 00:30:24,223
And he asked me kind of
jokingly, he says, well,
556
00:30:24,323 --> 00:30:27,526
do you know when this stuff's
going to come in here?
557
00:30:27,626 --> 00:30:31,197
She said in two weeks that
we would have this marijuana
558
00:30:31,297 --> 00:30:32,098
would come up on the beach.
559
00:30:34,833 --> 00:30:39,138
Two weeks almost to the hour
we had 25 bales of marijuana
560
00:30:39,238 --> 00:30:42,408
wash up on the beach.
561
00:30:42,508 --> 00:30:44,443
ROBERT STACK: The Marijuana
washed ashore only
562
00:30:44,543 --> 00:30:49,081
a few yards from where Katie had
sensed the distinctive smell.
563
00:30:49,181 --> 00:30:51,150
However, police
confirmed that marijuana
564
00:30:51,250 --> 00:30:54,820
shipments had often been
recovered in the same area.
565
00:30:54,921 --> 00:30:57,890
Was Katie's prediction a true
display of psychic powers
566
00:30:57,990 --> 00:31:01,627
or just a lucky guess?
567
00:31:01,727 --> 00:31:04,563
PAUL KURTZ: Psychics
make general predictions,
568
00:31:04,663 --> 00:31:07,033
and it's difficult
to confirm them.
569
00:31:07,133 --> 00:31:10,636
I don't think on the basis
of what I've seen that miss
570
00:31:10,736 --> 00:31:13,305
Katie has any special powers.
571
00:31:13,405 --> 00:31:14,273
Surely not--
572
00:31:14,373 --> 00:31:15,541
ROBERT STACK:
Professor Paul Kurtz
573
00:31:15,641 --> 00:31:18,945
spent 15 years investigating
the unverified claims
574
00:31:19,045 --> 00:31:20,046
of the paranormal.
575
00:31:20,146 --> 00:31:22,814
She may have the
powers of persuasion,
576
00:31:22,915 --> 00:31:24,183
but I don't know that
there is anything
577
00:31:24,283 --> 00:31:27,920
mysterious about what she's
done or what she claims to do.
578
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:34,193
Stick your tongue out, please.
579
00:31:34,293 --> 00:31:35,928
ROBERT STACK: Katie's
abilities, however, extend
580
00:31:36,028 --> 00:31:38,130
beyond the psychic realm.
581
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:41,600
The most astounding
manifestations are physical.
582
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:44,670
Katie has been videotaped
by her psychiatrist sweating
583
00:31:44,770 --> 00:31:49,675
what appears to be a gold foil
out of the pores of her skin.
584
00:31:49,775 --> 00:31:55,814
KATIE: It comes out all over my
body, face, eyes, ears, mouth,
585
00:31:55,914 --> 00:32:00,852
arms, thighs, tummy, back.
586
00:32:00,953 --> 00:32:06,292
Wherever I've got pores, this
is where it comes out at.
587
00:32:06,392 --> 00:32:09,028
BERTHOLD SCHWARZ: It's
getting larger it seems to me.
588
00:32:09,128 --> 00:32:10,529
ROBERT STACK: Katie
has supposedly exuded
589
00:32:10,629 --> 00:32:13,432
the foil more than 100 times.
590
00:32:13,532 --> 00:32:16,035
Psychiatrist, Berthold
Schwarz, has examined her
591
00:32:16,135 --> 00:32:18,971
during some of these episodes.
592
00:32:19,071 --> 00:32:21,540
BERTHOLD SCHWARZ: Miss Katie
has the ability apparently
593
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,912
of having a metallic, gold-like,
metal foil form on her body
594
00:32:27,013 --> 00:32:29,448
and sometimes on objects nearby.
595
00:32:29,548 --> 00:32:32,384
For example, a framed
picture of her late mother
596
00:32:32,484 --> 00:32:36,422
and this gold-like foil
will appear on the borders
597
00:32:36,522 --> 00:32:38,090
of the picture on the frame.
598
00:32:38,190 --> 00:32:40,559
More likely the gold,
using the words loosely,
599
00:32:40,659 --> 00:32:42,828
will appear on her
cheeks, under the eyes,
600
00:32:42,928 --> 00:32:45,031
the abdomen, forearms.
601
00:32:45,131 --> 00:32:47,466
Here we have something
which is a medical marvel.
602
00:32:50,902 --> 00:32:52,871
MARY BETH MCDONALD: I saw
the gold on her tongue
603
00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:57,943
first as Dr. Schwarz
was taking the gold off,
604
00:32:58,044 --> 00:33:02,648
he had to actually peel it off
with a tweezer-like instrument.
605
00:33:02,748 --> 00:33:04,716
And then I looked
down at her arm,
606
00:33:04,816 --> 00:33:06,985
and I was holding her hand.
607
00:33:07,086 --> 00:33:09,321
And there was nothing
on her arm at all,
608
00:33:09,421 --> 00:33:14,026
and then she had these
long strips of gold that
609
00:33:14,126 --> 00:33:19,798
resemble candy kiss wrapping.
610
00:33:19,898 --> 00:33:22,868
As we were sitting
in a room with Katie,
611
00:33:22,968 --> 00:33:26,138
Katie had picked up the
front of her blouse,
612
00:33:26,238 --> 00:33:30,242
and gold flakes were covering
her entire stomach area.
613
00:33:30,342 --> 00:33:31,877
And after it was brushed
off, with her shirt
614
00:33:31,977 --> 00:33:37,283
still in the open position,
more gold flakes appeared.
615
00:33:37,383 --> 00:33:39,318
ROBERT STACK: Eyewitnesses
insist that these incidents
616
00:33:39,418 --> 00:33:41,287
were not faked,
that the gold foil
617
00:33:41,387 --> 00:33:43,422
appeared before their eyes.
618
00:33:43,522 --> 00:33:45,824
A laboratory analysis
of the material
619
00:33:45,924 --> 00:33:51,497
reveals it to be 80%
copper and 20% zinc.
620
00:33:51,597 --> 00:33:55,534
I don't think there's any
objective hard evidence that
621
00:33:55,634 --> 00:33:58,737
this is exuding from her pores.
622
00:33:58,837 --> 00:34:01,573
Most likely, the point
is that someone wants
623
00:34:01,673 --> 00:34:03,975
other people to believe
this, and so they put
624
00:34:04,076 --> 00:34:07,546
this metallic paper on them.
625
00:34:07,646 --> 00:34:09,281
ROBERT STACK: Two of
Professor Kurtz's colleagues
626
00:34:09,381 --> 00:34:11,617
were able to simulate
Katie's alleged abilities
627
00:34:11,717 --> 00:34:14,586
using ordinary metallic foil.
628
00:34:14,686 --> 00:34:15,721
OK, so this is what we did.
629
00:34:15,821 --> 00:34:18,290
If we went to a regular
art store in Buffalo.
630
00:34:18,390 --> 00:34:20,559
We bought something
called gold leafing.
631
00:34:20,659 --> 00:34:25,864
It's very thin strips
of foil colored gold.
632
00:34:25,964 --> 00:34:27,766
ROBERT STACK: The chemical
composition of the foil
633
00:34:27,866 --> 00:34:29,968
closely resembles
that of Katie's foil.
634
00:34:30,068 --> 00:34:31,403
And I put the foil
on in thin strips.
635
00:34:31,503 --> 00:34:32,638
Cathy helped me.
636
00:34:32,738 --> 00:34:34,740
And then I sprayed hairspray
on it so it would stick,
637
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,876
and it's been stuck for four
hours since 11:00 this morning.
638
00:34:37,976 --> 00:34:39,445
I have some on my tongue.
639
00:34:39,545 --> 00:34:43,014
And I can still talk
and swallow sometimes.
640
00:34:43,115 --> 00:34:49,288
And then I put it on my stomach,
and then I put it on my back.
641
00:34:49,388 --> 00:34:50,722
KATIE: If somebody
come up to me and said,
642
00:34:50,822 --> 00:34:52,924
well, hey, I know
this person that's
643
00:34:53,024 --> 00:34:55,127
got this stuff that comes
out of their skin, you know,
644
00:34:55,227 --> 00:34:57,796
it's gold.
645
00:34:57,896 --> 00:35:00,166
I really-- I've seen this.
646
00:35:00,266 --> 00:35:02,201
I would think it was a trick.
647
00:35:02,301 --> 00:35:06,138
Until I seen it myself I would
believe that, you know, well,
648
00:35:06,238 --> 00:35:08,106
what are they doing?
649
00:35:08,207 --> 00:35:10,142
You know, how are they
getting this on them?
650
00:35:10,242 --> 00:35:16,282
Or, you know, what kind
of magic are they doing?
651
00:35:16,382 --> 00:35:19,251
I would believe it was
fake till I saw it.
652
00:35:19,351 --> 00:35:20,452
I'm here, Kate.
653
00:35:20,552 --> 00:35:22,821
I put the hair out of the way.
654
00:35:22,921 --> 00:35:24,022
ROBERT STACK: Even
more unbelievable
655
00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:26,892
are Katie's apparent
powers of apportation
656
00:35:26,992 --> 00:35:28,960
where solid objects
seem to appear out
657
00:35:29,060 --> 00:35:33,299
of her mouth, nose, or ears.
658
00:35:33,399 --> 00:35:35,934
This videotape taken by
her psychiatrist shows
659
00:35:36,034 --> 00:35:38,003
what appears to be
a gold charm emerge
660
00:35:38,103 --> 00:35:39,538
from the vicinity of her ear.
661
00:35:42,308 --> 00:35:44,743
This tape was also
shot by Dr. Schwarz
662
00:35:44,843 --> 00:35:46,545
and shows a glass
stone resembling
663
00:35:46,645 --> 00:35:48,814
a diamond apparently
materializing out
664
00:35:48,914 --> 00:35:52,083
of Katie's eye.
665
00:35:52,184 --> 00:35:54,152
BERTHOLD SCHWARZ: It might look
as though she's going to throw
666
00:35:54,253 --> 00:35:58,824
up and cough, cough away, and
out pops a gem of some kind
667
00:35:58,924 --> 00:36:00,226
right out of the mouth.
668
00:36:00,326 --> 00:36:02,294
Now prior to that,
the mouth and throat
669
00:36:02,394 --> 00:36:03,295
was examined very carefully.
670
00:36:03,395 --> 00:36:04,263
There was nothing there.
671
00:36:04,363 --> 00:36:05,664
She sipped some
water and swallowed,
672
00:36:05,764 --> 00:36:08,400
so nothing was secreted
which it's hard to see how it
673
00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:10,035
could be anyway in the stomach.
674
00:36:10,135 --> 00:36:15,274
So you have to ask the question,
where did this thing come from?
675
00:36:15,374 --> 00:36:17,376
ROBERT STACK: Are these
examples of apportation really
676
00:36:17,476 --> 00:36:20,045
skillful sleight of hand?
677
00:36:20,145 --> 00:36:24,350
This footage has been slowed
down to take a closer look.
678
00:36:24,450 --> 00:36:26,618
In these frames we
can see the object
679
00:36:26,718 --> 00:36:27,819
emerge from above her ring.
680
00:36:31,523 --> 00:36:33,191
PAUL KURTZ: As soon as
we saw the apportation,
681
00:36:33,292 --> 00:36:34,826
we decided we would
get a magician
682
00:36:34,926 --> 00:36:37,796
in here who has
attended our meetings
683
00:36:37,896 --> 00:36:39,798
and worked with us in the past.
684
00:36:39,898 --> 00:36:43,001
To see if he could
duplicate what she has done,
685
00:36:43,101 --> 00:36:44,336
and he did that.
686
00:36:44,436 --> 00:36:47,606
I assume that at the point
when she actually caused
687
00:36:47,706 --> 00:36:51,377
the gem to appear she had
the gem palmed in her hand
688
00:36:51,477 --> 00:36:53,245
just like this, palmed
between her fingers.
689
00:36:53,345 --> 00:36:56,915
A very comfortable place, and
you can gesture comfortably
690
00:36:57,015 --> 00:37:00,018
and nobody suspects anything.
691
00:37:00,118 --> 00:37:02,421
And then when she reached
her hand up to her eye,
692
00:37:02,521 --> 00:37:05,090
it was a simple matter to
spread her fingers apart.
693
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:08,159
And you could see them
spreading apart as the gem
694
00:37:08,260 --> 00:37:10,362
falls through, just like that.
695
00:37:13,765 --> 00:37:16,335
ROBERT STACK: Is Katie
a brilliant fraud?
696
00:37:16,435 --> 00:37:19,438
If so, it seems odd that she
has never attempted to profit
697
00:37:19,538 --> 00:37:22,474
in any way from her abilities.
698
00:37:22,574 --> 00:37:27,045
But could Katie truly be
marked for paranormal powers?
699
00:37:27,145 --> 00:37:29,381
JERRY BURR: Where does something
like this fit into my thinking?
700
00:37:29,481 --> 00:37:30,282
It doesn't.
701
00:37:30,382 --> 00:37:32,284
It's, uh, it's beyond me.
702
00:37:32,384 --> 00:37:34,286
It's beyond my comprehension.
703
00:37:34,386 --> 00:37:36,955
I was a Doubting Thomas, too.
704
00:37:37,055 --> 00:37:40,526
But if you saw it, you
would be a believer.
705
00:37:44,796 --> 00:37:46,365
KATIE: I've learned to
accept it a little bit more
706
00:37:46,465 --> 00:37:50,135
now than what I did
in the beginning.
707
00:37:50,235 --> 00:37:53,104
But I do still have
questions in my mind
708
00:37:53,204 --> 00:37:55,707
that are not answered yet.
709
00:37:55,807 --> 00:37:57,609
And I don't know if
they will be answered.
710
00:37:57,709 --> 00:37:59,811
But I'm going to keep
trying until I find out.
711
00:38:05,484 --> 00:38:07,285
ROBERT STACK: Next,
a surprising update
712
00:38:07,386 --> 00:38:09,388
on our story of reincarnation.
713
00:38:09,488 --> 00:38:13,725
Can two lovers from
the past be reunited?
714
00:38:13,825 --> 00:38:16,194
[music playing]
715
00:38:20,766 --> 00:38:22,968
Reincarnation, life
after death, has
716
00:38:23,068 --> 00:38:25,270
fascinated people in
cultures all over the world
717
00:38:25,371 --> 00:38:27,105
for centuries.
718
00:38:27,205 --> 00:38:29,675
Last season we presented the
eerie story of a woman named
719
00:38:29,775 --> 00:38:31,643
Georgia Rudolph who
was convinced that she
720
00:38:31,743 --> 00:38:33,579
is a reincarnation
of a girl who lived
721
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:35,514
at the turn of the century.
722
00:38:35,614 --> 00:38:38,784
Tonight, a surprising update
on Georgia's bizarre story.
723
00:38:42,888 --> 00:38:46,191
Since childhood, Georgia has
been beset by recurring dreams
724
00:38:46,291 --> 00:38:50,295
and memories of an unfamiliar
earlier time visions of horses
725
00:38:50,396 --> 00:38:54,332
and carriages, a
river, and repeatedly
726
00:38:54,433 --> 00:38:56,802
old fashioned sternwheelers.
727
00:38:56,902 --> 00:38:58,336
Often there was a
young man dressed
728
00:38:58,437 --> 00:39:01,707
in a brown suit and Derby
hat and always the image
729
00:39:01,807 --> 00:39:02,608
of a dark-haired girl.
730
00:39:06,412 --> 00:39:07,479
GEORGIA RUDOLPH:
My whole childhood
731
00:39:07,579 --> 00:39:10,949
I thought I was crazy,
because I don't think
732
00:39:11,049 --> 00:39:14,586
it was a month that
went by that I didn't
733
00:39:14,686 --> 00:39:18,256
have either memories or dreams.
734
00:39:21,026 --> 00:39:22,694
ROBERT STACK: Continually
haunted by these images,
735
00:39:22,794 --> 00:39:27,633
Georgia sought therapy in the
form of regressive hypnosis.
736
00:39:27,733 --> 00:39:29,535
DR. SMITH: When Georgia
first contacted me,
737
00:39:29,635 --> 00:39:31,603
I felt it might
be something like
738
00:39:31,703 --> 00:39:33,605
an early traumatic
childhood memory
739
00:39:33,705 --> 00:39:35,707
that she was trying to remember.
740
00:39:35,807 --> 00:39:37,709
Or possibly, it
could be an aspect
741
00:39:37,809 --> 00:39:40,145
of a multiple personality.
742
00:39:40,245 --> 00:39:42,047
Other than that,
reincarnation was
743
00:39:42,147 --> 00:39:43,815
probably the last
thing in my mind
744
00:39:43,915 --> 00:39:46,351
about what had happened to her.
745
00:39:46,452 --> 00:39:48,053
ROBERT STACK: Under
hypnosis, Georgia began
746
00:39:48,153 --> 00:39:51,122
to give detail to her visions.
747
00:39:51,222 --> 00:39:52,558
She believes the
girl in her dreams
748
00:39:52,658 --> 00:39:55,861
is named Sandra Jean Jenkins.
749
00:39:55,961 --> 00:39:58,396
The young man in the
Derby hat was her fiance.
750
00:39:58,497 --> 00:40:00,766
His name was Tommy Hicks.
751
00:40:00,866 --> 00:40:03,635
In 1914, according
to Georgia's visions,
752
00:40:03,735 --> 00:40:06,004
Tommy Hicks drowned
in the Ohio River.
753
00:40:06,104 --> 00:40:07,439
His body was never found.
754
00:40:10,141 --> 00:40:13,144
Sandra Jean Jenkins was
left unmarried and pregnant
755
00:40:13,244 --> 00:40:14,145
with Tommy's child.
756
00:40:17,916 --> 00:40:19,618
Distraught over
the death of Tommy,
757
00:40:19,718 --> 00:40:22,488
and unable to face the shame
that their unborn child would
758
00:40:22,588 --> 00:40:25,557
bring, Sandra Jean
Jenkins took her own life.
759
00:40:30,829 --> 00:40:32,564
Georgia began searching
for the people
760
00:40:32,664 --> 00:40:34,966
and places she
saw in her dreams.
761
00:40:35,066 --> 00:40:36,134
In 1984.
762
00:40:36,234 --> 00:40:38,303
she journeyed to
Marietta, Ohio, where she
763
00:40:38,403 --> 00:40:40,606
met with reporter Ted Bauer.
764
00:40:40,706 --> 00:40:42,908
Ted is a lifelong
resident of Marietta
765
00:40:43,008 --> 00:40:46,845
and worked for the local
newspaper for 32 years.
766
00:40:46,945 --> 00:40:48,313
TED BAUER: When Georgia
arrived in Marietta,
767
00:40:48,413 --> 00:40:51,817
I said, I'll take you around
and show you some of the places
768
00:40:51,917 --> 00:40:53,819
that you talked
about over the phone.
769
00:40:53,919 --> 00:40:58,156
And she says, no, I'll
show you where to go.
770
00:40:58,256 --> 00:41:01,927
I couldn't believe her
knowledge of Marietta.
771
00:41:02,027 --> 00:41:04,262
I can't buy the
reincarnation bit,
772
00:41:04,362 --> 00:41:08,667
but she has some kind of
power, some way of knowing
773
00:41:08,767 --> 00:41:09,768
what happened in the past.
774
00:41:12,538 --> 00:41:14,205
ROBERT STACK: In a
nearby town, Georgia
775
00:41:14,305 --> 00:41:18,910
located a house she says matches
the house in her visions.
776
00:41:19,010 --> 00:41:22,480
Relatives of the former owner
gave Georgia what she feels
777
00:41:22,581 --> 00:41:27,352
is evidence that Sandra
Jean Jenkins did exist.
778
00:41:27,452 --> 00:41:33,324
GEORGIA RUDOLPH: They brought
out a picture taken in 1908,
779
00:41:33,424 --> 00:41:38,997
and the girl that I call Sandra
is standing in that picture.
780
00:41:42,467 --> 00:41:48,239
There was a statement made
by a member of the family,
781
00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:51,943
I don't know this girl's
name, but I know she
782
00:41:52,043 --> 00:41:55,547
drowned out back of the house.
783
00:41:55,647 --> 00:41:58,383
ROBERT STACK: Georgia's
story is difficult to accept.
784
00:41:58,483 --> 00:42:00,385
But there's so many
coincidences that we cannot
785
00:42:00,485 --> 00:42:02,921
simply dismiss it out of hand.
786
00:42:03,021 --> 00:42:05,757
After our broadcast, we learned
of another equally baffling
787
00:42:05,857 --> 00:42:07,358
coincidence.
788
00:42:07,458 --> 00:42:09,795
A 36-year-old college
professor, who had never
789
00:42:09,895 --> 00:42:12,598
met Georgia Rudolph,
claims that over a year
790
00:42:12,698 --> 00:42:15,667
before our broadcast he
underwent hypnosis and had
791
00:42:15,767 --> 00:42:18,336
a past life experience in
which he recalled that he was
792
00:42:18,436 --> 00:42:22,507
a young man living in Ohio at
the turn of the century named
793
00:42:22,608 --> 00:42:25,376
Tommy Hicks.
794
00:42:25,476 --> 00:42:27,445
JACK TURNOCK: When I saw the
original segment with Georgia
795
00:42:27,545 --> 00:42:30,081
Rudolph, I could
just feel the anxiety
796
00:42:30,181 --> 00:42:31,182
building in myself,
because there
797
00:42:31,282 --> 00:42:33,752
was almost instant recognition.
798
00:42:33,852 --> 00:42:35,921
And my wife was watching
me and thinking,
799
00:42:36,021 --> 00:42:37,422
what's wrong with him?
800
00:42:37,522 --> 00:42:39,524
And I was gripping the arm with
the couch tighter, and tighter,
801
00:42:39,625 --> 00:42:41,893
and tighter, as it went through
and then when she finally--
802
00:42:41,993 --> 00:42:45,163
when Georgia Rudolph
finally said, you know,
803
00:42:45,263 --> 00:42:49,601
that his name was Tom Hicks,
I almost fell off the couch.
804
00:42:49,701 --> 00:42:52,704
ROBERT STACK: Our broadcast
aired in February, 1990.
805
00:42:52,804 --> 00:42:55,774
In September of
1988, Jack Turnock
806
00:42:55,874 --> 00:42:58,744
underwent regressive hypnosis
with Dr. Bruce Crystal
807
00:42:58,844 --> 00:43:01,479
in Jacksonville, Florida.
808
00:43:01,579 --> 00:43:02,881
JACK TURNOCK: The
particular session
809
00:43:02,981 --> 00:43:08,053
that I went through, I was taken
back to the turn of the century
810
00:43:08,153 --> 00:43:09,354
Ohio.
811
00:43:09,454 --> 00:43:15,026
And I told the interviewer
that my name was Tom Hicks.
812
00:43:15,126 --> 00:43:16,494
While under hypnosis.
813
00:43:16,594 --> 00:43:18,897
Jack said that a river
seemed to play a large part
814
00:43:18,997 --> 00:43:21,132
in the life of Tommy
Hicks, and that Tommy's
815
00:43:21,232 --> 00:43:23,234
younger brother had drowned.
816
00:43:23,334 --> 00:43:26,037
Jack also recalled that
Tommy Hicks had a girlfriend
817
00:43:26,137 --> 00:43:29,107
with long dark hair.
818
00:43:29,207 --> 00:43:31,076
DR. SMITH: I still remained
somewhat skeptical.
819
00:43:31,176 --> 00:43:33,378
I need more proof.
820
00:43:33,478 --> 00:43:35,513
But were getting closer
and closer to the point
821
00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:40,551
where we cannot excuse it on the
basis of chance or probability.
822
00:43:40,652 --> 00:43:41,687
I think Jennifer.
823
00:43:41,787 --> 00:43:43,454
ROBERT STACK: In
September, Jack Turnock
824
00:43:43,554 --> 00:43:46,692
traveled to Macon, Georgia, and
underwent regressive hypnosis
825
00:43:46,792 --> 00:43:48,026
with Dr. Douglas Smith.
826
00:43:48,126 --> 00:43:50,595
House During the
session, Dr. Smith
827
00:43:50,696 --> 00:43:52,831
asked Jack several
key questions in order
828
00:43:52,931 --> 00:43:55,701
to determine if he could
have in any way fabricated
829
00:43:55,801 --> 00:43:58,336
the events he described
while under hypnosis
830
00:43:58,436 --> 00:44:00,371
two years earlier.
831
00:44:00,471 --> 00:44:03,909
Hair's pulled back.
832
00:44:04,009 --> 00:44:07,012
DR. SMITH: We had asked him
to compare the reincarnation
833
00:44:07,112 --> 00:44:09,781
experience that he
had with something
834
00:44:09,881 --> 00:44:13,885
that did not occur to him, and
he could make the distinction.
835
00:44:13,985 --> 00:44:17,155
In my professional opinion,
I am quite certain that he
836
00:44:17,255 --> 00:44:19,624
was telling the truth.
837
00:44:19,725 --> 00:44:21,426
Boat stuck.
838
00:44:21,526 --> 00:44:24,029
I was skeptical before the
two regression sessions
839
00:44:24,129 --> 00:44:25,030
that I've had.
840
00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:29,067
But if they're not
true, then there's
841
00:44:29,167 --> 00:44:32,938
an awful lot of very odd
coincidences going on.
842
00:44:33,038 --> 00:44:36,141
Something very
definite is going on,
843
00:44:36,241 --> 00:44:39,010
but we have no rational
explanation that science can
844
00:44:39,110 --> 00:44:41,646
provide as to what's happening.
845
00:44:41,747 --> 00:44:43,314
I suggest we keep an open mind.
846
00:44:46,617 --> 00:44:47,786
ROBERT STACK: The
stories of Georgia
847
00:44:47,886 --> 00:44:51,189
Rudolph and Jack Turnock
are, indeed, hard to believe.
848
00:44:51,289 --> 00:44:53,725
But keep in mind, many
of the world's religions
849
00:44:53,825 --> 00:44:58,396
accept reincarnation as a
basic part of their belief.
850
00:44:58,496 --> 00:45:00,565
For the rest of
us, the possibility
851
00:45:00,665 --> 00:45:03,068
of life after death,
however hopeful,
852
00:45:03,168 --> 00:45:05,170
remains an unsolved mystery.
853
00:45:15,546 --> 00:45:17,415
[music playing]
854
00:45:23,421 --> 00:45:27,325
Next week on "Unsolved
Mysteries," 55 years ago,
855
00:45:27,425 --> 00:45:31,396
aviatrix Amelia Earhart was the
most famous woman in America.
856
00:45:31,496 --> 00:45:33,899
In 1937, she left
Oakland, California,
857
00:45:33,999 --> 00:45:35,834
to fly around the world.
858
00:45:35,934 --> 00:45:39,337
Six weeks later, her plane
went down in the South Pacific.
859
00:45:39,437 --> 00:45:41,773
Today, evidence from the
remote island of Saipan
860
00:45:41,873 --> 00:45:45,410
has suggested Amelia Earhart
was captured by the Japanese
861
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:48,713
and may have been executed.
862
00:45:48,814 --> 00:45:51,149
In Woodstock, Illinois,
a high school romance
863
00:45:51,249 --> 00:45:55,486
turns sour and ends in tragedy
for 17-year-old Colleen Ritter.
864
00:45:55,586 --> 00:45:58,389
Perhaps you can help capture
her missing boyfriend
865
00:45:58,489 --> 00:46:01,759
who is wanted for murder.
866
00:46:01,860 --> 00:46:04,629
Also, a special appeal from
the musical group New Kids
867
00:46:04,729 --> 00:46:06,097
on the Block.
868
00:46:06,197 --> 00:46:09,467
Three years ago 16-year-old
Kari Nixon disappeared.
869
00:46:09,567 --> 00:46:12,170
In June, 1989, she may
have been spotted at a New
870
00:46:12,270 --> 00:46:14,605
Kids concert in Los Angeles.
871
00:46:14,705 --> 00:46:16,975
Join me next week
for another edition
872
00:46:17,075 --> 00:46:18,977
of "Unsolved Mysteries."
873
00:46:22,347 --> 00:46:25,016
[theme music]
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