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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,534 --> 00:00:04,605 [music playing] 2 00:00:04,705 --> 00:00:07,308 This program is about unsolved mysteries. 3 00:00:07,408 --> 00:00:09,410 Whenever possible, the actual family members 4 00:00:09,510 --> 00:00:11,379 and police officials have participated 5 00:00:11,479 --> 00:00:12,913 in recreating the events. 6 00:00:13,013 --> 00:00:15,583 What you are about to see is not a news broadcast. 7 00:00:20,721 --> 00:00:23,257 ROBERT STACK: Tonight on the season premiere of "Unsolved 8 00:00:23,357 --> 00:00:27,728 Mysteries," 25 years ago something odd fell from the sky 9 00:00:27,828 --> 00:00:31,132 and crashed in the remote woods near Kecksburg, Pennsylvania. 10 00:00:31,232 --> 00:00:34,602 The official Air Force report states that nothing was found. 11 00:00:34,702 --> 00:00:37,905 But eyewitnesses claim a strange, cone shaped object was 12 00:00:38,005 --> 00:00:41,842 secretly removed Was it their imagination or a government 13 00:00:41,942 --> 00:00:43,611 cover up? 14 00:00:43,711 --> 00:00:45,846 In California, an unknown arsonist 15 00:00:45,946 --> 00:00:49,317 set this house on fire, then callously videotaped the blaze 16 00:00:49,417 --> 00:00:54,288 and left the tape near a highway for authorities to find. 17 00:00:54,388 --> 00:00:56,324 Last season, we interviewed LeVar Bates, 18 00:00:56,424 --> 00:01:00,194 a coworker of a suspect captured thanks to one of our viewers. 19 00:01:00,294 --> 00:01:01,995 Incredibly, that chance interview 20 00:01:02,096 --> 00:01:05,399 led to a reunion between LeVar and the daughter he never knew 21 00:01:05,499 --> 00:01:08,202 existed. 22 00:01:08,302 --> 00:01:09,570 Watch closely. 23 00:01:09,670 --> 00:01:12,072 You may be able to help solve a mystery. 24 00:02:06,527 --> 00:02:10,631 Twilight, December ninth, 1965. 25 00:02:10,731 --> 00:02:12,600 A brilliant light streaked through the skies 26 00:02:12,700 --> 00:02:15,736 over Canada and the Northeastern United States. 27 00:02:15,836 --> 00:02:17,505 Thousands of eyewitnesses reported 28 00:02:17,605 --> 00:02:20,107 seeing its trail, which was visible for hundreds 29 00:02:20,208 --> 00:02:21,642 of miles in every direction. 30 00:02:25,513 --> 00:02:28,115 Near the village of Kecksburg, Pennsylvania, 40 miles 31 00:02:28,216 --> 00:02:31,185 southeast of Pittsburgh, Robb Landy and his brother Ray 32 00:02:31,285 --> 00:02:34,688 were out riding their bicycles. 33 00:02:34,788 --> 00:02:36,524 RAY LANDY (VOICEOVER): We were riding up the road 34 00:02:36,624 --> 00:02:39,827 and we just happened to look up into the sky. 35 00:02:39,927 --> 00:02:43,464 And we saw this thing coming over the tops of the trees. 36 00:02:43,564 --> 00:02:45,999 It just glided right across the sky, 37 00:02:46,099 --> 00:02:48,369 like across the horizon of the trees. 38 00:02:48,469 --> 00:02:52,139 We could see and then it disappeared behind the trees. 39 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,106 It scared us. 40 00:02:53,207 --> 00:02:55,509 We didn't know what it was or didn't 41 00:02:55,609 --> 00:02:56,777 know what to think about it. 42 00:02:56,877 --> 00:02:58,779 Just like dumbfounded, we were just 43 00:02:58,879 --> 00:03:01,715 like in awe as we watched it. 44 00:03:01,815 --> 00:03:04,952 Then it disappeared. 45 00:03:05,052 --> 00:03:06,654 We ran. 46 00:03:06,754 --> 00:03:08,422 You knew what an airplane looked like. 47 00:03:08,522 --> 00:03:10,724 You knew what a helicopter looked like. 48 00:03:10,824 --> 00:03:12,460 And that didn't look like anything 49 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,562 we had ever seen before. 50 00:03:14,662 --> 00:03:16,364 And the angle that it was coming in, 51 00:03:16,464 --> 00:03:19,400 I mean you knew that it had to hit the ground. 52 00:03:27,140 --> 00:03:28,409 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Three miles away 53 00:03:28,509 --> 00:03:31,779 another local boy, Randy Overly, also saw the object. 54 00:03:34,382 --> 00:03:36,350 RANDY OVERLY (VOICEOVER): I was playing by a creek at the time 55 00:03:36,450 --> 00:03:39,920 and heard a deep hissing noise, and I looked up in the sky 56 00:03:40,020 --> 00:03:43,056 and saw an object coming at me from a pretty good distance 57 00:03:43,156 --> 00:03:44,157 away. 58 00:03:44,258 --> 00:03:48,329 It flew right over top of me, no higher 59 00:03:48,429 --> 00:03:50,130 in the air than 200 feet. 60 00:03:50,230 --> 00:03:56,136 It was going no faster than a small airplane would go. 61 00:03:56,236 --> 00:03:58,339 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Nearby, Nevin and Nadine Kalp 62 00:03:58,439 --> 00:04:00,741 were playing outside when the object flew 63 00:04:00,841 --> 00:04:04,111 overhead and apparently crashed in a wooded ravine half a mile 64 00:04:04,211 --> 00:04:06,847 away. 65 00:04:06,947 --> 00:04:10,384 This ball of like fire come through. 66 00:04:10,484 --> 00:04:12,586 It's something that I've never seen 67 00:04:12,686 --> 00:04:15,456 before and never seen since. 68 00:04:15,556 --> 00:04:18,992 And seeing the smoke then at that time, 69 00:04:19,092 --> 00:04:20,227 down in the holler there. 70 00:04:26,567 --> 00:04:28,101 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): For the strange object, 71 00:04:28,201 --> 00:04:30,738 that ravine was the end of a long and highly visible 72 00:04:30,838 --> 00:04:31,839 trajectory. 73 00:04:31,939 --> 00:04:33,974 But for the residents of Kecksburg, Pennsylvania, 74 00:04:34,074 --> 00:04:36,209 the mystery was just beginning. 75 00:04:39,613 --> 00:04:42,650 For the next 25 years, townspeople would grapple 76 00:04:42,750 --> 00:04:44,985 with a perplexing question. 77 00:04:45,085 --> 00:04:48,021 What fell from the sky that December night? 78 00:04:48,121 --> 00:04:50,257 Dozens of people, most of them still alive today, 79 00:04:50,358 --> 00:04:51,959 were eyewitnesses. 80 00:04:52,059 --> 00:04:55,329 For the first time, 10 of them agreed to come together, make 81 00:04:55,429 --> 00:04:57,965 their identities public, and tell the story of a night 82 00:04:58,065 --> 00:05:00,468 that they will never forget. 83 00:05:00,568 --> 00:05:01,869 FRANCES KALP (VOICEOVER): While you're up, 84 00:05:01,969 --> 00:05:03,504 will you turn on the radio, please? 85 00:05:06,940 --> 00:05:08,909 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): After Nevin and Nadine Kalp returned 86 00:05:09,009 --> 00:05:11,579 home, their mother heard an emergency appeal 87 00:05:11,679 --> 00:05:12,880 on the local radio station. 88 00:05:15,583 --> 00:05:16,617 OK, we're back. 89 00:05:16,717 --> 00:05:17,951 Now this just in. 90 00:05:18,051 --> 00:05:20,754 We got a report of a downed plane in the Kecksburg area. 91 00:05:20,854 --> 00:05:22,556 State police have asked that anyone-- 92 00:05:22,656 --> 00:05:25,292 The radio said something had been sighted. 93 00:05:25,393 --> 00:05:27,094 And they were calling around trying 94 00:05:27,194 --> 00:05:32,400 to find out if anyone had an airplane or something missing. 95 00:05:32,500 --> 00:05:36,670 So I called in and told them it was no airplane. 96 00:05:36,770 --> 00:05:39,139 It was just a small piece that had fallen off 97 00:05:39,239 --> 00:05:43,611 an airplane, because smoke had came up from the area 98 00:05:43,711 --> 00:05:45,178 where it landed. 99 00:05:45,278 --> 00:05:47,214 And I said it burnt up. 100 00:05:47,314 --> 00:05:48,416 FRANCES KALP (ON PHONE): That landed 101 00:05:48,516 --> 00:05:51,184 right out here near my farm. 102 00:05:51,284 --> 00:05:52,586 Yes, it did. 103 00:05:52,686 --> 00:05:54,087 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The radio announcer thanked Frances 104 00:05:54,187 --> 00:05:56,289 Kalp for the information. 105 00:05:56,390 --> 00:05:58,392 She hung up and put the matter out of mind. 106 00:06:04,732 --> 00:06:12,773 [phone ringing] 107 00:06:12,873 --> 00:06:13,841 FRANCES KALP (ON PHONE): Hello. 108 00:06:13,941 --> 00:06:15,175 FRANCES KALP (VOICEOVER): Within a matter 109 00:06:15,275 --> 00:06:17,044 of two or three minutes, I got a call from a man 110 00:06:17,144 --> 00:06:19,112 from the US Navy. 111 00:06:19,212 --> 00:06:23,917 And he told me that I was to watch the area. 112 00:06:24,017 --> 00:06:29,056 should anything strange develop to call this number. 113 00:06:29,156 --> 00:06:31,091 I asked, well, shouldn't I call the fire company, 114 00:06:31,191 --> 00:06:32,626 and he said no. 115 00:06:32,726 --> 00:06:34,962 You call us, and we'll call them. 116 00:06:38,432 --> 00:06:41,735 So I hung up from talking to him and went 117 00:06:41,835 --> 00:06:43,604 to call a girl friend of mine. 118 00:06:43,704 --> 00:06:47,007 And I didn't get about two sentences out to her 119 00:06:47,107 --> 00:06:49,843 when an operator come on and cleared the line 120 00:06:49,943 --> 00:06:51,945 with an emergency call. 121 00:06:52,045 --> 00:06:53,380 FRANCES KALP (ON PHONE): OK, operator. 122 00:06:53,481 --> 00:06:55,583 That turned out to be the state police. 123 00:06:59,219 --> 00:07:00,588 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Pennsylvania State 124 00:07:00,688 --> 00:07:03,323 troopers were on the scene within 15 minutes. 125 00:07:03,423 --> 00:07:05,959 They were accompanied by two men in civilian clothes 126 00:07:06,059 --> 00:07:08,462 who never identified themselves. 127 00:07:08,562 --> 00:07:09,697 It went down over there. 128 00:07:09,797 --> 00:07:11,499 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): By now there was no smoke, 129 00:07:11,599 --> 00:07:13,734 and the fading light made it difficult to pin 130 00:07:13,834 --> 00:07:16,604 down the crash site. 131 00:07:16,704 --> 00:07:18,438 FRANCES KALP (VOICEOVER): At this point, two of the men 132 00:07:18,539 --> 00:07:22,943 took a box and went walking towards those trees. 133 00:07:23,043 --> 00:07:28,048 And I said to this state trooper that was there, I said, 134 00:07:28,148 --> 00:07:30,751 what are all these people coming for? 135 00:07:30,851 --> 00:07:33,787 And he says, well, they think they're going to see something. 136 00:07:33,887 --> 00:07:37,457 But when this goes out of here, nobody is going to see it. 137 00:07:37,558 --> 00:07:39,159 And I said, well, maybe it isn't in here. 138 00:07:39,259 --> 00:07:41,194 He said, it's here. 139 00:07:41,294 --> 00:07:47,134 And I asked him how he knew and they said, it's the radiation. 140 00:07:47,234 --> 00:07:48,802 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Located less than a mile 141 00:07:48,902 --> 00:07:50,671 from Kecksburg village, the ravine 142 00:07:50,771 --> 00:07:55,475 runs east to west for 800 yards, cutting across several farms. 143 00:07:55,576 --> 00:07:58,812 The object appeared to crash here, more than a half 144 00:07:58,912 --> 00:08:02,616 mile from the Kalps' home. 145 00:08:02,716 --> 00:08:05,185 As darkness fell, several other search teams 146 00:08:05,285 --> 00:08:09,222 left Kecksburg, also trying to locate the crash site. 147 00:08:09,322 --> 00:08:10,290 Just keep going straight. 148 00:08:10,390 --> 00:08:11,925 When you get to that road, make a right. 149 00:08:12,025 --> 00:08:13,694 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Volunteer fireman Jim Mayes 150 00:08:13,794 --> 00:08:16,329 led one team of state troopers to a promontory 151 00:08:16,429 --> 00:08:17,497 overlooking the ravine. 152 00:08:21,068 --> 00:08:22,803 JIM MAYES (VOICEOVER): We went up this road 153 00:08:22,903 --> 00:08:26,874 and came to the brow of a hill and stopped. 154 00:08:26,974 --> 00:08:29,543 And down to the right in the hollow 155 00:08:29,643 --> 00:08:31,879 were these blue flashing lights. 156 00:08:31,979 --> 00:08:34,214 You see that light? 157 00:08:34,314 --> 00:08:38,151 What is that? 158 00:08:38,251 --> 00:08:40,554 JIM MAYES (VOICEOVER): It wasn't searcher's down in the woods 159 00:08:40,654 --> 00:08:41,689 with flashlights or anything. 160 00:08:41,789 --> 00:08:45,258 It was a real bright blue, real bright, 161 00:08:45,358 --> 00:08:47,928 like an electric welder. 162 00:08:48,028 --> 00:08:49,930 The flashes seem to be timed. 163 00:08:50,030 --> 00:08:52,399 At what intervals, I don't know. 164 00:08:52,499 --> 00:08:54,467 But it was a timed thing. 165 00:08:54,568 --> 00:08:57,537 It wasn't like flash bulbs or anything like that. 166 00:09:00,273 --> 00:09:03,711 At that point the troopers decided to close the area 167 00:09:03,811 --> 00:09:05,478 off, close the roads off. 168 00:09:05,579 --> 00:09:08,649 So he brought the two of us that was with him back 169 00:09:08,749 --> 00:09:09,650 to the fire station. 170 00:09:19,192 --> 00:09:20,527 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Meanwhile, a call 171 00:09:20,628 --> 00:09:23,731 went out to all the local fire departments. 172 00:09:23,831 --> 00:09:26,634 Soon more than 30 volunteer firemen had gathered 173 00:09:26,734 --> 00:09:27,868 at the Kecksburg station. 174 00:09:30,537 --> 00:09:31,504 OK, guys listen up. 175 00:09:31,605 --> 00:09:33,540 There's a plane down over the hill. 176 00:09:33,641 --> 00:09:35,776 And what we're going to do is split up into quadrants. 177 00:09:35,876 --> 00:09:37,444 We'll have teams of three men, all right? 178 00:09:37,544 --> 00:09:39,713 Romansky, Bill, you come with me. 179 00:09:39,813 --> 00:09:41,348 Rezzy, you get your men, get out of here. 180 00:09:41,448 --> 00:09:42,549 Tom, take your unit. 181 00:09:42,650 --> 00:09:43,951 Now, I'm not sure. 182 00:09:44,051 --> 00:09:44,918 But I think-- 183 00:09:45,018 --> 00:09:45,986 JAMES ROMANSKY (VOICEOVER): We all 184 00:09:46,086 --> 00:09:47,487 gathered at the fire station. 185 00:09:47,587 --> 00:09:50,590 And the report was we had a aircraft that 186 00:09:50,691 --> 00:09:52,626 was down in the Kecksburg area. 187 00:09:52,726 --> 00:09:53,961 Yeah, I saw it as I was driving over. 188 00:09:54,061 --> 00:09:56,196 Whatever it is, it's burning. 189 00:09:56,296 --> 00:09:58,832 And after we got our assignment and everybody knew 190 00:09:58,932 --> 00:10:01,268 what they were doing, they took us in pickup trucks up the road 191 00:10:01,368 --> 00:10:02,369 up here. 192 00:10:02,469 --> 00:10:03,837 And they dropped us off at certain points 193 00:10:03,937 --> 00:10:05,538 going up the hill. 194 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:06,539 Watch your step. 195 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,008 I'll be all right as soon as I got-- 196 00:10:08,108 --> 00:10:09,643 JAMES ROMANSKY (VOICEOVER): As we were proceeding 197 00:10:09,743 --> 00:10:11,979 through our grid, we heard the first team, 198 00:10:12,079 --> 00:10:14,281 which was down in front of us, radio back, 199 00:10:14,381 --> 00:10:16,316 we found the aircraft. 200 00:10:16,416 --> 00:10:17,517 Where is it? 201 00:10:17,617 --> 00:10:21,154 We're below the [inaudible] farm in [inaudible]. 202 00:10:21,254 --> 00:10:22,690 Let's search down there. 203 00:10:22,790 --> 00:10:23,590 10-4. 204 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,530 Well, man, we booked out of ours, and down over the fence 205 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:32,666 we went, down into the woods. 206 00:10:32,766 --> 00:10:34,501 And we got there. 207 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:48,148 What is that? 208 00:10:48,248 --> 00:10:49,817 I don't know. 209 00:10:49,917 --> 00:10:51,118 JAMES ROMANSKY (VOICEOVER): Here was 210 00:10:51,218 --> 00:10:55,122 this humongous metal object, half buried in the ground. 211 00:10:55,222 --> 00:10:57,357 About six, seven, eight foot around, 212 00:10:57,457 --> 00:11:02,495 and it was every bit of eight, 10, 12 foot long. 213 00:11:02,595 --> 00:11:07,835 And to me, the object looked exactly like a fresh acorn 214 00:11:07,935 --> 00:11:09,837 that you pick off of a tree. 215 00:11:09,937 --> 00:11:11,705 There were no wings. 216 00:11:11,805 --> 00:11:13,340 There were no motors. 217 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,442 There were no propellers. 218 00:11:15,542 --> 00:11:17,577 There was no identification whatsoever 219 00:11:17,677 --> 00:11:22,750 that would identify it as a aircraft that I would know. 220 00:11:22,850 --> 00:11:24,885 There was a bumper on the bottom part of it. 221 00:11:24,985 --> 00:11:28,521 On that bumper, there was what I call, 222 00:11:28,621 --> 00:11:32,625 it looked to me like the ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics. 223 00:11:32,726 --> 00:11:35,195 It was markings like stars and shapes 224 00:11:35,295 --> 00:11:38,365 and figures and circles and lines. 225 00:11:38,465 --> 00:11:41,068 And what it was, I don't know. 226 00:11:41,168 --> 00:11:43,971 To this day, I've never seen anything like it. 227 00:11:44,071 --> 00:11:46,139 I've studied the ancient Incas. 228 00:11:46,239 --> 00:11:48,108 I've studied the ancient Aztec Indians. 229 00:11:48,208 --> 00:11:50,778 I've studied the Egyptians. 230 00:11:50,878 --> 00:11:52,479 I've looked at pictures of Russian writing. 231 00:11:52,579 --> 00:11:54,414 I've looked at pictures of Polish writing. 232 00:11:54,514 --> 00:11:58,218 I've looked at pictures of Hebrew writing-- 233 00:11:58,318 --> 00:12:02,222 nothing, nothing that resembles it-- 234 00:12:02,322 --> 00:12:03,690 Chinese writing, no. 235 00:12:06,659 --> 00:12:09,897 So we're all standing around this thing, 236 00:12:09,997 --> 00:12:12,599 looking around, checking and everything, and wondering 237 00:12:12,699 --> 00:12:15,135 what the heck it could be. 238 00:12:15,235 --> 00:12:18,605 And finally, here come two men down through the woods. 239 00:12:18,705 --> 00:12:21,374 Gentlemen, you must leave the area. 240 00:12:21,474 --> 00:12:22,742 This site is quarantined. 241 00:12:22,843 --> 00:12:24,144 JAMES ROMANSKY (VOICEOVER): And they 242 00:12:24,244 --> 00:12:28,982 took one look at the object and immediately told us to leave. 243 00:12:29,082 --> 00:12:31,384 They said, this area is now quarantined. 244 00:12:31,484 --> 00:12:33,053 We are in charge. 245 00:12:33,153 --> 00:12:34,788 We're taking command. 246 00:12:34,888 --> 00:12:36,556 Get out of here. 247 00:12:36,656 --> 00:12:39,359 So we start walking out of there, 248 00:12:39,459 --> 00:12:43,030 and down through the woods, here comes military. 249 00:12:49,336 --> 00:12:51,738 So we left there. 250 00:12:51,839 --> 00:12:54,274 And by the time we got back down here to the fire hall, 251 00:12:54,374 --> 00:12:56,709 I mean this place was wall-to-wall military. 252 00:13:01,348 --> 00:13:03,183 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Within three hours of the crash, 253 00:13:03,283 --> 00:13:05,718 military personnel had set up a command center 254 00:13:05,819 --> 00:13:07,888 in the Kecksburg fire station. 255 00:13:07,988 --> 00:13:10,290 They promptly restricted civilian movement in the area. 256 00:13:10,390 --> 00:13:11,391 Good evening, y'all. 257 00:13:11,491 --> 00:13:13,026 We need this building here for a temporary 258 00:13:13,126 --> 00:13:16,329 tactical headquarters, with your permission, of course. 259 00:13:16,429 --> 00:13:18,231 You have phones here? Can we see where they are? 260 00:13:18,331 --> 00:13:20,233 JIM MAYES (VOICEOVER): It seemed like they were on the scene 261 00:13:20,333 --> 00:13:21,468 immediately. 262 00:13:21,568 --> 00:13:23,670 I would imagine there was in a neighborhood 263 00:13:23,770 --> 00:13:25,538 of 25, 30 military. 264 00:13:28,241 --> 00:13:30,710 At the time it seemed like that they 265 00:13:30,810 --> 00:13:34,081 were really anxious to get into the scene 266 00:13:34,181 --> 00:13:35,983 of whatever may have been. 267 00:13:39,486 --> 00:13:40,620 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): An hour 268 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,490 later, the military authorities also commandeered 269 00:13:43,590 --> 00:13:45,058 a farmhouse near the ravine. 270 00:13:45,158 --> 00:13:46,359 Ten-hut. 271 00:13:46,459 --> 00:13:47,260 Folks are here. 272 00:13:53,700 --> 00:13:55,002 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Lillian Hayes 273 00:13:55,102 --> 00:13:58,738 and her family had been living in the house for just a month. 274 00:13:58,838 --> 00:14:00,240 LILLIAN HAYES (VOICEOVER): Well, the military 275 00:14:00,340 --> 00:14:04,711 was coming in and out of my house all evening. 276 00:14:04,811 --> 00:14:07,247 And they were making a lot of phone calls, 277 00:14:07,347 --> 00:14:10,583 and they were standing around in groups talking. 278 00:14:10,683 --> 00:14:11,551 That's a roger. 279 00:14:11,651 --> 00:14:13,320 We believe we've located the ravine. 280 00:14:13,420 --> 00:14:16,156 We estimate contact within 10 minutes. 281 00:14:16,256 --> 00:14:18,391 I have no idea who they telephoned. 282 00:14:18,491 --> 00:14:20,961 There was no calls turned up on my bill. 283 00:14:21,061 --> 00:14:23,463 Notify NASA. Put them on standby. 284 00:14:23,563 --> 00:14:25,398 And let the Pentagon know what's going on. 285 00:14:25,498 --> 00:14:26,633 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The village 286 00:14:26,733 --> 00:14:28,835 of Kecksburg, with a population of just 250, 287 00:14:28,936 --> 00:14:31,538 appeared to have been invaded, first from the sky 288 00:14:31,638 --> 00:14:34,107 and then by the United States military. 289 00:14:39,947 --> 00:14:41,949 Soon hundreds of curious spectators 290 00:14:42,049 --> 00:14:44,517 gathered on nearby roads to try and get a glimpse 291 00:14:44,617 --> 00:14:46,019 of the mysterious object. 292 00:14:46,119 --> 00:14:50,257 19-year-old Bill Weaver was among them. 293 00:14:50,357 --> 00:14:51,424 BILL WEAVER (VOICEOVER): I happened 294 00:14:51,524 --> 00:14:52,792 to come down through Kecksburg. 295 00:14:52,892 --> 00:14:56,563 And I heard on the radio that an object had landed. 296 00:14:56,663 --> 00:14:59,366 Seeing some people and some cars alongside the road, 297 00:14:59,466 --> 00:15:00,767 I pulled in. 298 00:15:00,867 --> 00:15:02,769 And there was a pretty good crowd of people 299 00:15:02,869 --> 00:15:04,571 gathered in that field. 300 00:15:04,671 --> 00:15:08,408 And they were looking down in the small ravine at some trees. 301 00:15:08,508 --> 00:15:09,709 Hey, what's going on down there? 302 00:15:09,809 --> 00:15:11,444 BILL WEAVER (VOICEOVER): I looked down in there myself. 303 00:15:11,544 --> 00:15:13,981 I seen there was something down in there 304 00:15:14,081 --> 00:15:15,582 that had bright lights on it, but I 305 00:15:15,682 --> 00:15:18,751 couldn't see the object itself. 306 00:15:18,851 --> 00:15:24,757 Some time later, I seen a box truck, 307 00:15:24,857 --> 00:15:27,995 a van type truck pull up there. 308 00:15:28,095 --> 00:15:31,698 There were some men come around the side of it. 309 00:15:31,798 --> 00:15:35,402 They were dressed in moon suits, we called them at the time. 310 00:15:35,502 --> 00:15:38,005 And they had a light-colored box, 311 00:15:38,105 --> 00:15:41,841 I'm guessing roughly five foot square. 312 00:15:41,941 --> 00:15:45,912 They carried it down into the ravine. 313 00:15:46,013 --> 00:15:47,247 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The box 314 00:15:47,347 --> 00:15:51,218 Bill Weaver saw seemed too small to hold the object itself. 315 00:15:51,318 --> 00:15:54,387 Was there something or something inside the object 316 00:15:54,487 --> 00:15:56,356 that the military wanted to remove? 317 00:15:59,292 --> 00:16:00,227 Please don't be alarmed. 318 00:16:00,327 --> 00:16:01,394 Everything is under control. 319 00:16:01,494 --> 00:16:02,795 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Before long, an army 320 00:16:02,895 --> 00:16:03,896 officer appeared on the scene. 321 00:16:03,997 --> 00:16:06,066 He ordered the crowd to disperse. 322 00:16:06,166 --> 00:16:08,668 Thank you, but you'll have to leave the area now. 323 00:16:14,674 --> 00:16:17,277 Hey, hey, what's going on down there? 324 00:16:17,377 --> 00:16:20,613 You'll have to leave the area now. 325 00:16:20,713 --> 00:16:22,882 BILL WEAVER (VOICEOVER): He told me unless I moved my car 326 00:16:22,982 --> 00:16:25,418 and got out of there that they would confiscate my car. 327 00:16:39,199 --> 00:16:41,368 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Back in Kecksburg, Jim Romansky 328 00:16:41,468 --> 00:16:43,236 and the other fireman had still not been 329 00:16:43,336 --> 00:16:45,472 allowed inside the firehouse. 330 00:16:45,572 --> 00:16:50,443 The military continued to occupy it as a control center. 331 00:16:50,543 --> 00:16:52,612 We looked up, and here comes this jeep down over the hill 332 00:16:52,712 --> 00:16:53,780 with its red light on. 333 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:58,318 Right behind the jeep was a large flatbed truck. 334 00:16:58,418 --> 00:17:04,457 And on the back of the flatbed was this covered object. 335 00:17:04,557 --> 00:17:06,526 They come down here so fast that I 336 00:17:06,626 --> 00:17:08,361 know if you'd have walked out in front of it, 337 00:17:08,461 --> 00:17:09,429 they'd have ran you over. 338 00:17:09,529 --> 00:17:10,930 They'd have never stopped. 339 00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:13,633 And off down the road they went, and where they went, 340 00:17:13,733 --> 00:17:14,667 I have no idea. 341 00:17:18,305 --> 00:17:19,739 Whatever came down in Kecksburg 342 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:23,376 that night is of high importance to the military agencies. 343 00:17:23,476 --> 00:17:25,378 The most mysterious thing about the whole case 344 00:17:25,478 --> 00:17:28,014 is the fact that after 25 years, the government 345 00:17:28,115 --> 00:17:30,617 still refuses to give us any actual information 346 00:17:30,717 --> 00:17:31,518 on what occurred. 347 00:17:33,886 --> 00:17:35,021 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Stan Gordon 348 00:17:35,122 --> 00:17:36,689 is a local researcher who has spent 349 00:17:36,789 --> 00:17:38,691 more than 10 years interviewing dozens 350 00:17:38,791 --> 00:17:40,760 of Kecksburg eyewitnesses. 351 00:17:40,860 --> 00:17:42,695 He has explored several theories trying 352 00:17:42,795 --> 00:17:48,668 to answer the questions raised on that December night in 1965. 353 00:17:48,768 --> 00:17:49,869 STAN GORDON (VOICEOVER): Astronomers 354 00:17:49,969 --> 00:17:53,406 who looked into the case at the time basically felt 355 00:17:53,506 --> 00:17:56,209 that the object in question was a bolide, which was a very 356 00:17:56,309 --> 00:17:58,211 bright, fireball-type meteor. 357 00:17:58,311 --> 00:18:00,647 And they, in fact, eliminated reports 358 00:18:00,747 --> 00:18:03,150 that it could have been some type of man-made device 359 00:18:03,250 --> 00:18:05,352 that re-entered the Earth's atmosphere. 360 00:18:05,452 --> 00:18:08,155 But we now know the thing basically was coming down 361 00:18:08,255 --> 00:18:11,291 from the tip of Ontario and was passing 362 00:18:11,391 --> 00:18:16,229 down basically in a Northwest to Southeast trajectory. 363 00:18:16,329 --> 00:18:18,231 The object appeared to have made about a 25 364 00:18:18,331 --> 00:18:21,868 degree turn toward the east, near Cleveland, Ohio. 365 00:18:21,968 --> 00:18:25,605 And it came in on a straight path over the Pittsburgh area. 366 00:18:25,705 --> 00:18:28,074 And the interesting thing is now that the new data suggests 367 00:18:28,175 --> 00:18:31,244 that the object made a turn towards the South, 368 00:18:31,344 --> 00:18:34,514 and then the object made another turn towards the village 369 00:18:34,614 --> 00:18:36,683 of Kecksburg where it was proceeding into there 370 00:18:36,783 --> 00:18:39,018 towards the Northeast. 371 00:18:39,118 --> 00:18:40,387 The interesting thing is the fact 372 00:18:40,487 --> 00:18:43,290 that within several miles of the crash site, 373 00:18:43,390 --> 00:18:45,458 multiple witnesses tell us that this object 374 00:18:45,558 --> 00:18:49,596 was coming in at a very, very slow speed of descent. 375 00:18:49,696 --> 00:18:52,332 Meteors do not make controlled turns. 376 00:18:52,432 --> 00:18:54,967 They do not come in at a slow speed like this. 377 00:18:55,067 --> 00:18:57,937 And they, in fact, do not glide in, which 378 00:18:58,037 --> 00:19:00,873 this thing apparently did. 379 00:19:00,973 --> 00:19:02,242 JIM MAYES (VOICEOVER) My personal opinion 380 00:19:02,342 --> 00:19:03,876 what landed in Kecksburg that night 381 00:19:03,976 --> 00:19:07,514 was a capsule of some kind. 382 00:19:07,614 --> 00:19:10,750 From where, whether it was one of ours or a foreign, 383 00:19:10,850 --> 00:19:13,320 I have no idea. 384 00:19:13,420 --> 00:19:17,590 The military wouldn't let us get to the scene, 385 00:19:17,690 --> 00:19:19,692 so I have no idea. 386 00:19:19,792 --> 00:19:21,928 But I know it wasn't a meteor. 387 00:19:22,028 --> 00:19:23,963 Two, one, zero. 388 00:19:24,063 --> 00:19:25,298 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Another theory 389 00:19:25,398 --> 00:19:27,534 is that the object was space debris. 390 00:19:27,634 --> 00:19:31,538 In 1965, NASA was involved in the Gemini program. 391 00:19:31,638 --> 00:19:33,773 Then as now, it was our government's policy 392 00:19:33,873 --> 00:19:36,343 to monitor not only US space activity, 393 00:19:36,443 --> 00:19:37,977 but also launches from the Soviet 394 00:19:38,077 --> 00:19:42,014 Union and all other countries. 395 00:19:42,114 --> 00:19:43,716 STAN GORDON (VOICEOVER): Going back into the records 396 00:19:43,816 --> 00:19:47,754 we have from NASA and documents we have from other agencies, 397 00:19:47,854 --> 00:19:50,590 they apparently have no loggings for any type 398 00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:55,061 of space debris on that date and the time of this observation. 399 00:19:55,161 --> 00:19:57,730 So we also have to look at the other possibility-- could 400 00:19:57,830 --> 00:20:00,967 this indeed have been an extraterrestrial spacecraft? 401 00:20:04,837 --> 00:20:09,442 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Space debris, meteor, or a 402 00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:12,445 genuine extraterrestrial craft? 403 00:20:12,545 --> 00:20:14,881 The final answer to what was found in the ravine 404 00:20:14,981 --> 00:20:17,384 may only be known by the military personnel 405 00:20:17,484 --> 00:20:21,788 who worked in the Kecksburg recovery operation. 406 00:20:21,888 --> 00:20:24,190 This is a copy of the official Air Force record 407 00:20:24,291 --> 00:20:26,192 of the Kecksburg incident, which Stan 408 00:20:26,293 --> 00:20:29,562 Gordon obtained through the Freedom of Information Act. 409 00:20:29,662 --> 00:20:30,730 STAN GORDON (VOICEOVER): The report 410 00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:32,765 indicated that there was quite a lot of interest 411 00:20:32,865 --> 00:20:36,936 by government agencies as to what the object may have been. 412 00:20:37,036 --> 00:20:39,272 There were memos there and requests for information 413 00:20:39,372 --> 00:20:42,542 from Houston Space Center, from NORAD, 414 00:20:42,642 --> 00:20:45,545 from the Air Force command post, the Pentagon, 415 00:20:45,645 --> 00:20:47,647 even the Chairman of the Office of Emergency 416 00:20:47,747 --> 00:20:50,650 Planning requested information. 417 00:20:50,750 --> 00:20:52,452 The official Air Force explanation was 418 00:20:52,552 --> 00:20:54,587 that it was likely a meteor. 419 00:20:54,687 --> 00:20:56,088 And basically what it goes on to say 420 00:20:56,188 --> 00:20:58,291 is the fact that the search was called off around 2:00 421 00:20:58,391 --> 00:21:00,727 AM says nothing was found. 422 00:21:00,827 --> 00:21:02,261 But evidence indicates that something 423 00:21:02,362 --> 00:21:04,931 indeed was found at the site. 424 00:21:05,031 --> 00:21:09,168 The military's idea of finding nothing is completely false. 425 00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:11,804 There was something down in that ravine that night. 426 00:21:11,904 --> 00:21:15,207 There was something that glowed an awful bright light. 427 00:21:15,308 --> 00:21:16,676 And they took something out of there. 428 00:21:19,712 --> 00:21:21,080 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Another eyewitness 429 00:21:21,180 --> 00:21:23,182 reported seeing a military convoy 430 00:21:23,282 --> 00:21:25,885 coming out of the ravine. 431 00:21:25,985 --> 00:21:28,355 At the end of the convoy was a flatbed truck 432 00:21:28,455 --> 00:21:31,858 with a large covered object on the back. 433 00:21:31,958 --> 00:21:34,427 John Hays was only 10 years old when the truck 434 00:21:34,527 --> 00:21:37,730 rumbled by his bedroom window. 435 00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:40,367 What was on the back of it, I have no idea. 436 00:21:40,467 --> 00:21:43,302 It was about the size of a Volkswagen Beetle 437 00:21:43,403 --> 00:21:45,071 from the distance I was at. 438 00:21:47,740 --> 00:21:49,008 Gentlemen, you must leave the area. 439 00:21:49,108 --> 00:21:50,276 This site is quarantined. 440 00:21:50,377 --> 00:21:51,478 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): According to Stan Gordon, 441 00:21:51,578 --> 00:21:53,646 eyewitnesses identified the military unit 442 00:21:53,746 --> 00:21:58,418 as the Air Force's 662nd Radar Squadron based in Pittsburgh. 443 00:21:58,518 --> 00:22:01,588 Gordon believes the unit was part of a top secret operation 444 00:22:01,688 --> 00:22:04,857 investigating UFOs. 445 00:22:04,957 --> 00:22:06,926 STAN GORDON (VOICEOVER): There is no entry at all for December 446 00:22:07,026 --> 00:22:11,097 9th of 1965 in the December log of all activities 447 00:22:11,197 --> 00:22:12,465 for that squadron. 448 00:22:12,565 --> 00:22:15,201 That tells us that somebody apparently 449 00:22:15,301 --> 00:22:17,236 wanted to keep all information associated 450 00:22:17,336 --> 00:22:20,540 with the unit's involvement in that site 451 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,710 away from public information. 452 00:22:23,810 --> 00:22:27,113 I think that we can very plainly see the fact 453 00:22:27,213 --> 00:22:28,848 that the government has not told us everything they 454 00:22:28,948 --> 00:22:30,617 know about the Kecksburg case. 455 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,087 JAMES ROMANSKY (VOICEOVER): The official reports 456 00:22:35,187 --> 00:22:36,723 that the military and the government 457 00:22:36,823 --> 00:22:40,627 put out, as far as I'm concerned, are a bunch of bull. 458 00:22:40,727 --> 00:22:44,831 If this thing was a meteorite, then why didn't they just bring 459 00:22:44,931 --> 00:22:46,132 it out and say here it is. 460 00:22:46,232 --> 00:22:49,035 Let the reporters take pictures of it. 461 00:22:49,135 --> 00:22:50,269 Let the firemen see it. 462 00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:52,539 Let the people in this area see it. 463 00:22:52,639 --> 00:22:55,842 Why the big mystery? 464 00:22:55,942 --> 00:22:58,511 I think when we get down to eliminating everything we've 465 00:22:58,611 --> 00:23:01,013 known about the object, we have two possibilities 466 00:23:01,113 --> 00:23:02,381 we're dealing with here. 467 00:23:02,482 --> 00:23:05,251 Either one that we're dealing with some highly advanced space 468 00:23:05,351 --> 00:23:07,920 probe, probably of a foreign nation, 469 00:23:08,020 --> 00:23:10,122 that appears to be very highly technical 470 00:23:10,222 --> 00:23:13,726 for what we knew about in 1965. 471 00:23:13,826 --> 00:23:16,128 Or the possibility exists we may indeed 472 00:23:16,228 --> 00:23:18,531 be dealing with an extraterrestrial spacecraft. 473 00:23:21,233 --> 00:23:22,502 ROBERT STACK: What happened in the fields 474 00:23:22,602 --> 00:23:24,437 outside of Kecksburg, Pennsylvania 475 00:23:24,537 --> 00:23:27,474 on December 9th, 1965? 476 00:23:27,574 --> 00:23:30,677 25 years after the fiery object was seen streaking 477 00:23:30,777 --> 00:23:33,713 through the skies, the answers to the mystery 478 00:23:33,813 --> 00:23:36,248 remain as elusive as the object itself. 479 00:23:39,218 --> 00:23:40,653 The Air Force has declined our request 480 00:23:40,753 --> 00:23:42,689 to comment on this story. 481 00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:44,657 Their official report still states that they 482 00:23:44,757 --> 00:23:46,826 were investigating a meteorite. 483 00:23:46,926 --> 00:23:49,829 The report concludes that nothing was found. 484 00:23:49,929 --> 00:23:54,701 Some people in Kecksburg, Pennsylvania disagree. 485 00:23:54,801 --> 00:23:58,404 When we return, last summer one of our updates 486 00:23:58,505 --> 00:24:00,740 inadvertently solved a mystery of lost love 487 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,176 and helped a daughter meet her father for the very first time. 488 00:24:14,253 --> 00:24:17,289 Last July, we featured an update on the capture of convicted 489 00:24:17,389 --> 00:24:19,458 murderer John Mooney. 490 00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:21,260 During this segment, we interviewed several 491 00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:23,295 of Mooney's unsuspecting coworkers, 492 00:24:23,395 --> 00:24:26,165 including 53-year-old Lavar Bates. 493 00:24:26,265 --> 00:24:28,000 What Lavar didn't know at the time 494 00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:31,237 was that he was at the center of his own unsolved mystery. 495 00:24:33,740 --> 00:24:34,974 ROBERT STACK: Over the past three years, 496 00:24:35,074 --> 00:24:38,010 we have featured more than 20 stories of lost love. 497 00:24:38,110 --> 00:24:41,548 More than half of them resulted in heartwarming reunions. 498 00:24:41,648 --> 00:24:44,617 Tonight we present an unusual update about lost love 499 00:24:44,717 --> 00:24:48,054 and how a chance helped a father and his 31-year-old daughter 500 00:24:48,154 --> 00:24:49,355 meet for the first time. 501 00:24:55,562 --> 00:24:58,030 1958-- Ike was President. 502 00:24:58,130 --> 00:24:59,265 Elvis was King. 503 00:24:59,365 --> 00:25:03,069 Sock hops and hula hoops were the latest craze. 504 00:25:03,169 --> 00:25:06,372 That summer in Amarillo, Texas, 22-year-old Lavar Bates 505 00:25:06,472 --> 00:25:08,274 fell in love with 18-year-old Peggy Atwood. 506 00:25:08,374 --> 00:25:09,341 Do you have any beer? 507 00:25:09,441 --> 00:25:11,177 Yes, in the back seat. 508 00:25:11,277 --> 00:25:12,845 PEGGY ATWOOD (VOICEOVER): We met at a place called 509 00:25:12,945 --> 00:25:15,081 the Panhandle Barn Dance. 510 00:25:15,181 --> 00:25:18,651 They were playing a dance called the Paul Jones. 511 00:25:18,751 --> 00:25:21,020 It's where you dance with someone 512 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:24,691 and then they blow a whistle and then you change partners. 513 00:25:24,791 --> 00:25:27,393 Well, when the time came for us to change partners, 514 00:25:27,493 --> 00:25:31,530 and he turned around and grabbed me, I was swept off my feet. 515 00:25:31,631 --> 00:25:33,499 I thought he was the most handsome man at that time 516 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,400 I'd ever seen. 517 00:25:36,502 --> 00:25:37,870 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Lavar was employed 518 00:25:37,970 --> 00:25:39,806 by a construction outfit and was working 519 00:25:39,906 --> 00:25:42,775 temporarily in Amarillo. 520 00:25:42,875 --> 00:25:46,145 Peggy lived in Pampas, Texas, a small town 60 miles away. 521 00:25:48,915 --> 00:25:51,951 Every weekend, Lavar would make the hour drive to Peggy's home 522 00:25:52,051 --> 00:25:54,486 so they could be together. 523 00:25:54,587 --> 00:25:55,755 PEGGY ATWOOD (VOICEOVER): The most fun 524 00:25:55,855 --> 00:25:58,257 about driving around with Lavar and having 525 00:25:58,357 --> 00:26:02,028 my arm over his shoulder, and cranking up the radio. 526 00:26:02,128 --> 00:26:06,899 And just like all teenagers, just making the drag. 527 00:26:06,999 --> 00:26:08,768 We just thought that was the grandest thing. 528 00:26:15,307 --> 00:26:17,109 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Several months after they first 529 00:26:17,209 --> 00:26:20,146 met, Peggy drove to Amarillo and paid a surprise 530 00:26:20,246 --> 00:26:23,716 visit to the man of her dreams. 531 00:26:23,816 --> 00:26:25,752 Hey, baby. 532 00:26:25,852 --> 00:26:27,419 Come on inside. 533 00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:30,156 [laughter] 534 00:26:30,256 --> 00:26:31,891 Honey, let me finish up in the bathroom, OK? 535 00:26:31,991 --> 00:26:32,792 OK, sure. 536 00:26:32,892 --> 00:26:33,960 All right. 537 00:26:34,060 --> 00:26:35,294 PEGGY ATWOOD (VOICEOVER): When I went in 538 00:26:35,394 --> 00:26:37,930 to see Lavar in his hotel room, he had just 539 00:26:38,030 --> 00:26:40,066 gotten out of the shower and was putting his stuff in his pocket 540 00:26:40,166 --> 00:26:41,734 because we were fixin' to go out. 541 00:26:41,834 --> 00:26:44,370 I thought maybe then we could go over to Hill's. 542 00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:46,005 PEGGY ATWOOD (VOICEOVER): And there was a picture 543 00:26:46,105 --> 00:26:48,975 of this girl on his dresser. 544 00:26:49,075 --> 00:26:50,943 Yeah, I think so. 545 00:26:51,043 --> 00:26:52,611 PEGGY ATWOOD (VOICEOVER): And of course, being 18, 546 00:26:52,712 --> 00:26:54,480 I just throwed a fit. 547 00:26:54,580 --> 00:26:56,649 It's good to see you. 548 00:26:56,749 --> 00:26:58,584 Who the hell is Fifi? 549 00:26:58,685 --> 00:26:59,786 She's just a friend of mine. 550 00:26:59,886 --> 00:27:01,287 I met her at the coffee shop the other day. 551 00:27:01,387 --> 00:27:02,421 Just a friend. 552 00:27:02,521 --> 00:27:04,156 Yeah, just a friend of mine. It's nothing. 553 00:27:04,256 --> 00:27:05,491 PEGGY ATWOOD (VOICEOVER): He kept 554 00:27:05,591 --> 00:27:07,359 telling me that he'd only known her for a couple of times. 555 00:27:07,459 --> 00:27:09,028 You know, he'd went out with her a couple of times 556 00:27:09,128 --> 00:27:10,596 and there wasn't anything serious between them. 557 00:27:10,697 --> 00:27:12,231 Naturally, I didn't believe him. 558 00:27:12,331 --> 00:27:13,465 I don't have to put up with this. 559 00:27:13,565 --> 00:27:15,234 - Listen to me. - You're two timing me, Lavar. 560 00:27:15,334 --> 00:27:16,836 Peggy, I am not two timing you. 561 00:27:16,936 --> 00:27:18,270 Listen to me, OK? 562 00:27:18,370 --> 00:27:19,405 Listen to me. 563 00:27:19,505 --> 00:27:23,275 And then I got real mad and left. 564 00:27:23,375 --> 00:27:25,177 And that was the last time I saw him or heard from him. 565 00:27:29,248 --> 00:27:30,750 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): When Peggy stormed out 566 00:27:30,850 --> 00:27:32,752 of Lavar's life, she had no idea that she 567 00:27:32,852 --> 00:27:35,654 was pregnant with his child. 568 00:27:35,755 --> 00:27:39,291 The next day, Lavar's company transferred him to Colorado. 569 00:27:39,391 --> 00:27:43,629 He never saw or heard from Peggy again. 570 00:27:43,730 --> 00:27:45,865 Eight months later, Peggy gave birth to a daughter 571 00:27:45,965 --> 00:27:49,301 whom she named Kimber. 572 00:27:49,401 --> 00:27:51,003 When she was older, Kimber learned 573 00:27:51,103 --> 00:27:52,338 the truth about her father. 574 00:27:55,441 --> 00:27:56,876 KIMBER TICE (VOICEOVER): My mother had told me 575 00:27:56,976 --> 00:27:58,410 as much as she could about him. 576 00:27:58,510 --> 00:28:01,013 That she didn't know where he was at, or where he'd went to, 577 00:28:01,113 --> 00:28:02,849 or anything like that. 578 00:28:02,949 --> 00:28:06,385 I wondered a lot what he'd be like, what he'd look 579 00:28:06,485 --> 00:28:08,487 like, or just things like that. 580 00:28:08,587 --> 00:28:11,157 But I just couldn't imagine. 581 00:28:11,257 --> 00:28:13,726 With no information at all, I just couldn't 582 00:28:13,826 --> 00:28:18,297 imagine what he'd be like. 583 00:28:18,397 --> 00:28:19,866 ROBERT STACK: Lavar Bates had no way of knowing 584 00:28:19,966 --> 00:28:21,533 that he was a father. 585 00:28:21,633 --> 00:28:23,235 Over the years Peggy and Kimber often 586 00:28:23,335 --> 00:28:25,671 discussed trying to locate Lavar, but with so 587 00:28:25,772 --> 00:28:27,706 little information to go on they eventually 588 00:28:27,807 --> 00:28:29,776 gave up hope of finding him. 589 00:28:29,876 --> 00:28:36,482 All that changed on Wednesday night, July the 4th, 1990. 590 00:28:36,582 --> 00:28:39,718 That evening, Peggy was watching the rebroadcast 591 00:28:39,819 --> 00:28:42,254 of our third anniversary special when she suddenly 592 00:28:42,354 --> 00:28:44,323 recognized a familiar face. 593 00:28:44,423 --> 00:28:46,125 Ah, Ah, it's just disbelief. 594 00:28:46,225 --> 00:28:48,460 I didn't really believe it. 595 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,130 He'd be the last one I'd believe was involved 596 00:28:51,230 --> 00:28:52,932 in something like that. 597 00:28:53,032 --> 00:28:54,967 I didn't know what to do. 598 00:28:55,067 --> 00:28:59,738 I didn't know whether to try to call him and try to find out 599 00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:03,309 or to call Kimber and tell her. 600 00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:05,744 But then I decided not to, not to call her 601 00:29:05,845 --> 00:29:07,980 at all until I found out for sure 602 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,716 whether he wanted to meet her. 603 00:29:10,817 --> 00:29:12,218 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): At Peggy's request, 604 00:29:12,318 --> 00:29:16,622 we contacted Lavar, who now lives in Phoenix, Arizona. 605 00:29:16,722 --> 00:29:19,758 Lavar is married and has two children. 606 00:29:19,859 --> 00:29:22,428 When the guy from "Unsolved Mysteries" 607 00:29:22,528 --> 00:29:25,764 called me, and said that Peggy'd seen me on television, 608 00:29:25,865 --> 00:29:28,334 seen the name, and was wondering if I was 609 00:29:28,434 --> 00:29:33,772 interested in talking to her about a daughter 610 00:29:33,873 --> 00:29:39,178 we had that was 31 years old. 611 00:29:39,278 --> 00:29:46,152 And I sit down, and shook a little and it scared me. 612 00:29:46,252 --> 00:29:50,289 I was so nervous because I was afraid he wouldn't call. 613 00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:54,393 And I wanted to tell Kimber so bad about her daddy. 614 00:29:54,493 --> 00:29:56,829 And those four days, not being able to pick up the phone 615 00:29:56,929 --> 00:30:00,532 and call her and tell her that I had found her daddy, you know, 616 00:30:00,632 --> 00:30:01,901 was probably the hardest thing I've 617 00:30:02,001 --> 00:30:04,503 ever went through in my life. 618 00:30:04,603 --> 00:30:08,307 The day she called and told me that she had found him, 619 00:30:08,407 --> 00:30:10,176 it was just-- 620 00:30:10,276 --> 00:30:11,210 I was excited. 621 00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:12,378 I was scared. 622 00:30:12,478 --> 00:30:16,682 I was-- just all the emotions, just went crazy. 623 00:30:16,782 --> 00:30:19,751 I didn't really know what to do because I was kind of in shock, 624 00:30:19,852 --> 00:30:21,587 I think. 625 00:30:21,687 --> 00:30:22,688 I wanted to see him. 626 00:30:22,788 --> 00:30:24,891 I wanted to know him. 627 00:30:24,991 --> 00:30:27,960 And I was just hoping that he would want to know me, too. 628 00:30:32,764 --> 00:30:34,200 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): On August 10, 629 00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:36,735 "Unsolved Mysteries" flew Lavar to Amarillo 630 00:30:36,835 --> 00:30:38,504 to meet his daughter for the first time. 631 00:30:42,674 --> 00:30:45,044 For Kimber, the chance to meet her father 632 00:30:45,144 --> 00:30:46,778 was a dream come true. 633 00:30:46,879 --> 00:30:47,679 I'm fine. 634 00:30:47,779 --> 00:30:50,382 How are you? 635 00:30:50,482 --> 00:30:52,751 It's been a long time, hasn't it? 636 00:30:52,851 --> 00:30:54,086 KIMBER TICE (VOICEOVER): When I actually 637 00:30:54,186 --> 00:30:58,090 seen him for the first time, it was great. 638 00:30:58,190 --> 00:30:59,525 You're looking good. 639 00:30:59,625 --> 00:31:02,761 It was exciting and nerve wracking. 640 00:31:02,861 --> 00:31:06,198 But once I actually met him, it was all right. 641 00:31:08,334 --> 00:31:09,601 Oh gosh-- 642 00:31:09,701 --> 00:31:11,037 KIMBER TICE (VOICEOVER): He's the kind of person I really 643 00:31:11,137 --> 00:31:13,672 would like to know a lot better, and I hope we have the time 644 00:31:13,772 --> 00:31:15,942 to gather to get to do that. 645 00:31:16,042 --> 00:31:17,209 This is David. 646 00:31:17,309 --> 00:31:19,478 I'm glad to meet you, David. 647 00:31:19,578 --> 00:31:20,846 This is Regina. 648 00:31:20,947 --> 00:31:24,283 A gap of 30 years is a long time when you think about it. 649 00:31:24,383 --> 00:31:27,753 But we seemed to hit it off pretty good, 650 00:31:27,853 --> 00:31:31,223 like we've known each other quite a while. 651 00:31:31,323 --> 00:31:36,628 I don't know why that is, but it just seemed to be real easy. 652 00:31:36,728 --> 00:31:41,667 To actually find my father, it means to me 653 00:31:41,767 --> 00:31:44,503 that now I can get all the questions answered 654 00:31:44,603 --> 00:31:46,572 that I've wondered about. 655 00:31:46,672 --> 00:31:50,909 And in the future, I hope more than anything 656 00:31:51,010 --> 00:31:54,480 that he stays part of our family, 657 00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:56,715 and we can make up for all the years 658 00:31:56,815 --> 00:31:59,151 that we didn't get to be a family. 659 00:32:05,657 --> 00:32:07,393 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Next an unsettling look 660 00:32:07,493 --> 00:32:10,396 into the mind of a deranged arsonist, who videotaped 661 00:32:10,496 --> 00:32:12,598 the fire he set and filled the tape 662 00:32:12,698 --> 00:32:15,334 with his alarming and possibly satanic commentary. 663 00:32:19,305 --> 00:32:24,776 I've never run across anything as eerie as this tape. 664 00:32:24,876 --> 00:32:26,478 It frightened me. 665 00:32:26,578 --> 00:32:29,548 As a matter of fact, I thought about it 666 00:32:29,648 --> 00:32:31,717 that night when I went to bed. 667 00:32:39,058 --> 00:32:40,192 ROBERT STACK: Each year in the United 668 00:32:40,292 --> 00:32:42,328 States, more than 200,000 people become 669 00:32:42,428 --> 00:32:44,796 the victims of arsonists. 670 00:32:44,896 --> 00:32:46,765 Each fire is an individual tragedy. 671 00:32:46,865 --> 00:32:48,900 In many cases, victims are left not only 672 00:32:49,001 --> 00:32:51,503 homeless, but injured or dead. 673 00:32:51,603 --> 00:32:54,040 You're about to have the rare and disturbing opportunity 674 00:32:54,140 --> 00:32:56,942 to go inside the mind of an arsonist. 675 00:32:57,043 --> 00:32:58,544 An arsonist who police believe made 676 00:32:58,644 --> 00:33:01,347 a videotape of the fire he set. 677 00:33:01,447 --> 00:33:03,482 The story starts with an innocent discovery. 678 00:33:09,621 --> 00:33:12,924 August 15th, 1989, near Stockton, 679 00:33:13,025 --> 00:33:15,827 California, a car overheated in the scorching summer 680 00:33:15,927 --> 00:33:16,995 temperatures. 681 00:33:17,096 --> 00:33:19,431 We'll call the car's owner Joseph Villa. 682 00:33:22,434 --> 00:33:23,369 [car door closing] 683 00:33:23,469 --> 00:33:24,270 Oh, man. 684 00:33:30,976 --> 00:33:32,644 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Joseph inspected the damage 685 00:33:32,744 --> 00:33:35,381 while his wife and son looked on. 686 00:33:35,481 --> 00:33:37,149 Joseph decided that he and his son 687 00:33:37,249 --> 00:33:39,251 should walk to the nearest telephone. 688 00:33:42,788 --> 00:33:45,591 On the way, the boy noticed a camouflage jacket 689 00:33:45,691 --> 00:33:47,326 on the ground. 690 00:33:47,426 --> 00:33:50,162 Wrapped in the jacket were a videotape with no label, 691 00:33:50,262 --> 00:33:53,499 and several audio cassettes of heavy metal music. 692 00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:55,501 They decided to take the videotape home. 693 00:34:02,474 --> 00:34:05,577 This is the actual videotape found by the Villas. 694 00:34:05,677 --> 00:34:08,647 And police are convinced that the person holding the camera 695 00:34:08,747 --> 00:34:11,283 set the fire himself. 696 00:34:11,383 --> 00:34:13,785 The Villa family was stunned when they realized 697 00:34:13,885 --> 00:34:15,454 what they were watching. 698 00:34:15,554 --> 00:34:17,223 The disturbing voice on the tape seemed 699 00:34:17,323 --> 00:34:19,491 to belong to the arsonist. 700 00:34:19,591 --> 00:34:21,860 The police have since enhanced the voice for clarity. 701 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,062 ARSONIST (VOICEOVER): This is beautiful. 702 00:34:24,163 --> 00:34:25,931 Look at it. 703 00:34:26,031 --> 00:34:29,067 You see what I can do [inaudible] 704 00:34:29,168 --> 00:34:30,369 Do you see what I can do? 705 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:38,076 [laughs] Ah. 706 00:34:38,177 --> 00:34:39,478 This is crazy. 707 00:34:39,578 --> 00:34:41,447 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Joseph Villa decided to turn the tape 708 00:34:41,547 --> 00:34:44,049 over to the authorities. 709 00:34:44,150 --> 00:34:49,488 I've never run across anything as eerie as this tape. 710 00:34:49,588 --> 00:34:51,257 It frightened me. 711 00:34:51,357 --> 00:34:54,326 As a matter of fact, I thought about it 712 00:34:54,426 --> 00:34:56,895 that night when I went to bed. 713 00:34:56,995 --> 00:34:58,797 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Unable to pinpoint the location 714 00:34:58,897 --> 00:35:01,733 of the fire, investigators began an in-depth study 715 00:35:01,833 --> 00:35:04,936 of the videotape itself. 716 00:35:05,036 --> 00:35:06,705 ARSONIST (VOICEOVER): Look at it, Omar. 717 00:35:06,805 --> 00:35:07,606 OK. 718 00:35:07,706 --> 00:35:08,674 Look at it, Omar. 719 00:35:08,774 --> 00:35:09,575 Look at it, Omar. 720 00:35:09,675 --> 00:35:12,178 Look at it, Omar. - OK. 721 00:35:12,278 --> 00:35:13,879 He did say the name Omar. Look at it, Omar. 722 00:35:13,979 --> 00:35:14,780 Look at it, Omar. 723 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,148 And then he laughs. 724 00:35:16,248 --> 00:35:17,949 FRANK CURRY (VOICEOVER): When we listened to the tape, 725 00:35:18,049 --> 00:35:20,752 it was hard to understand certain words 726 00:35:20,852 --> 00:35:22,588 that this person was saying. 727 00:35:22,688 --> 00:35:25,957 So we sat down, and we actually went through this tape, 728 00:35:26,057 --> 00:35:27,693 I mean hundreds of times. 729 00:35:27,793 --> 00:35:30,662 And came up with a script. 730 00:35:30,762 --> 00:35:33,499 ARSONIST (VOICEOVER): Look at it, Omar. 731 00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:37,002 This is what I've been doing on your week's vacation. 732 00:35:37,102 --> 00:35:38,570 [laughter] 733 00:35:38,670 --> 00:35:40,071 ARSONIST (VOICEOVER): I said I'll do it! 734 00:35:40,172 --> 00:35:42,308 I said I'll do it! 735 00:35:42,408 --> 00:35:45,877 [laughs] 736 00:35:45,977 --> 00:35:47,979 FRANK CURRY (VOICEOVER): He says, I told you I'd do it, 737 00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:50,316 Omar. 738 00:35:50,416 --> 00:35:54,686 Is Omar the property owner, it's a revenge type burn? 739 00:35:54,786 --> 00:35:58,757 Is Omar the construction person that maybe hired this person 740 00:35:58,857 --> 00:36:02,894 and fired him and made that a revenge motive for the fire? 741 00:36:02,994 --> 00:36:03,829 I really don't know. 742 00:36:03,929 --> 00:36:07,132 We really don't know who Omar is. 743 00:36:07,233 --> 00:36:08,300 OK, is this the jacket? 744 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,668 Yes, that's it right here. 745 00:36:09,768 --> 00:36:10,702 OK. 746 00:36:10,802 --> 00:36:12,037 Did you see anything else around here? 747 00:36:12,137 --> 00:36:13,805 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): A county arson investigator 748 00:36:13,905 --> 00:36:16,174 accompanied Joseph Villa's brother to the spot where 749 00:36:16,275 --> 00:36:18,043 the tape had been discovered. 750 00:36:18,143 --> 00:36:20,679 Amazingly, the jacket was still there. 751 00:36:20,779 --> 00:36:22,981 In it was a wooden pestle, the type 752 00:36:23,081 --> 00:36:28,554 sometimes used to grind herbs for satanic rituals. 753 00:36:28,654 --> 00:36:30,922 Nearby, the two men found a glove that matched 754 00:36:31,022 --> 00:36:33,992 the jacket and a ceramic skull. 755 00:36:34,092 --> 00:36:36,094 The pestle and the skull suggest satanism, 756 00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:39,698 as do certain portions of the arsonist's monologue. 757 00:36:39,798 --> 00:36:41,867 ARSONIST (VOICEOVER): This is hell. 758 00:36:41,967 --> 00:36:45,404 I call it home. 759 00:36:45,504 --> 00:36:47,773 My hell. 760 00:36:47,873 --> 00:36:52,143 The whole sky is black with smoke. 761 00:36:52,244 --> 00:37:03,021 This is the fire that I will destroy and burn your soul up. 762 00:37:03,121 --> 00:37:06,925 Ancient spirit of evil. 763 00:37:07,025 --> 00:37:09,261 FRANK CURRY (VOICEOVER): Those are basically the clues, 764 00:37:09,361 --> 00:37:11,297 all we have on the video. 765 00:37:11,397 --> 00:37:16,134 And that's why we need to find out where this went down. 766 00:37:16,234 --> 00:37:17,269 Where is this home. 767 00:37:20,171 --> 00:37:21,507 ARSONIST (VOICEOVER): The fire department's 768 00:37:21,607 --> 00:37:23,275 trying to put it out. 769 00:37:23,375 --> 00:37:24,443 What a laugh. 770 00:37:26,578 --> 00:37:28,046 FRANK CURRY (VOICEOVER): As we viewed the tape, 771 00:37:28,146 --> 00:37:32,017 we realized that there was fire suppression equipment that 772 00:37:32,117 --> 00:37:33,952 had responded to the incident. 773 00:37:34,052 --> 00:37:36,755 And we thought if we can enhance the tape, 774 00:37:36,855 --> 00:37:39,458 bring those shots in a little bit closer to us, 775 00:37:39,558 --> 00:37:42,628 we may be able to get a door mark or a house 776 00:37:42,728 --> 00:37:44,830 number or maybe even a fire department 777 00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:46,565 insignia on the door. 778 00:37:46,665 --> 00:37:48,233 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Despite a frame by frame 779 00:37:48,334 --> 00:37:50,302 analysis, the photographic enhancements 780 00:37:50,402 --> 00:37:52,838 did not reveal any new details. 781 00:37:52,938 --> 00:37:54,906 Investigators were still unable to match 782 00:37:55,006 --> 00:38:00,446 the tape with any reported fires in the state of California. 783 00:38:00,546 --> 00:38:02,213 The tape was found by the Villa family 784 00:38:02,314 --> 00:38:06,652 here, just a few yards from Interstate 205 near Stockton. 785 00:38:06,752 --> 00:38:09,254 205 feeds into several major highways, 786 00:38:09,355 --> 00:38:11,857 so authorities believe the fire could have happened anywhere 787 00:38:11,957 --> 00:38:14,059 in the United States and that the arsonist 788 00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:18,296 might have been only traveling through California. 789 00:38:18,397 --> 00:38:20,499 I think the person who made this videotape 790 00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:23,201 and is responsible for the fire will, 791 00:38:23,301 --> 00:38:26,572 without a doubt in my mind, continue to set fires. 792 00:38:26,672 --> 00:38:29,074 And the person needs to be apprehended 793 00:38:29,174 --> 00:38:32,744 and stopped before his fires become more destructive. 794 00:38:32,844 --> 00:38:35,113 And then there's a few of these type of serial arsonists 795 00:38:35,213 --> 00:38:38,316 that will move into another criminal area. 796 00:38:38,417 --> 00:38:42,187 You may recall the Son of Sam back east, who killed 797 00:38:42,287 --> 00:38:45,056 six people with a 44 magnum. 798 00:38:45,156 --> 00:38:47,359 He was responsible for about 2,000 fires 799 00:38:47,459 --> 00:38:48,794 in the city of New York. 800 00:38:48,894 --> 00:38:50,195 And then he stopped setting fires 801 00:38:50,295 --> 00:38:51,630 and started killing people. 802 00:38:51,730 --> 00:38:53,832 ARSONIST (VOICEOVER): Look at the flames. 803 00:38:53,932 --> 00:38:56,234 Listen to the coyotes yell. 804 00:38:56,334 --> 00:39:00,472 [laughs] Listen to 'em. 805 00:39:00,572 --> 00:39:03,409 Good night ladies and gentlemen. 806 00:39:03,509 --> 00:39:13,619 [laughs] 807 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,787 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The house appears to be a one story 808 00:39:15,887 --> 00:39:19,357 ranch house with two chimneys. 809 00:39:19,458 --> 00:39:20,826 There was another house on the left side 810 00:39:20,926 --> 00:39:24,863 of the picture, partially hidden by a white trailer. 811 00:39:24,963 --> 00:39:26,598 The trailer may indicate that the burning 812 00:39:26,698 --> 00:39:28,734 house was under construction. 813 00:39:28,834 --> 00:39:33,004 The setting is uncluttered, perhaps rural. 814 00:39:33,104 --> 00:39:35,306 The arsonist gives the date as 1988, 815 00:39:35,407 --> 00:39:38,710 and TV commercials recorded onto another part of the tape 816 00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:41,513 verify that date. 817 00:39:41,613 --> 00:39:43,782 Because fire engines do arrive, it 818 00:39:43,882 --> 00:39:46,952 seems fairly certain that somewhere a report of this fire 819 00:39:47,052 --> 00:39:47,853 is on file. 820 00:39:51,089 --> 00:39:53,459 Update-- Redwood City, California, 821 00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:55,694 60 miles west of Stockton. 822 00:39:55,794 --> 00:39:57,929 Within minutes of our broadcast, several viewers 823 00:39:58,029 --> 00:39:59,865 from Redwood City called our telecenter 824 00:39:59,965 --> 00:40:02,000 and identified the location of the house 825 00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:05,604 seen burning on the videotape. 826 00:40:05,704 --> 00:40:08,740 As we were sitting here and we looked at the film on the TV, 827 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,242 we realized with utter shock that it was the house 828 00:40:11,342 --> 00:40:13,712 behind us that was on TV. 829 00:40:13,812 --> 00:40:15,413 And our family was scared, to say the least, 830 00:40:15,514 --> 00:40:17,849 because we didn't realize that the film even existed. 831 00:40:17,949 --> 00:40:20,118 And it was no mistake in my mind at all that that 832 00:40:20,218 --> 00:40:22,353 was the house that was behind us by watching 833 00:40:22,454 --> 00:40:23,655 the videotape on TV. 834 00:40:23,755 --> 00:40:25,223 We called into "Unsolved Mysteries" 835 00:40:25,323 --> 00:40:27,559 and gave all the information. 836 00:40:27,659 --> 00:40:28,727 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The arson 837 00:40:28,827 --> 00:40:31,296 occurred on August 15th, 1988. 838 00:40:31,396 --> 00:40:34,365 The house that was destroyed was under construction at the time. 839 00:40:34,466 --> 00:40:38,369 Today it has been rebuilt. Incredibly, on the night 840 00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:41,507 of the blaze, Woodside Fire Captain John Dellinges 841 00:40:41,607 --> 00:40:44,342 also videotaped the fire. 842 00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:46,011 JOHN DELLINGES (VOICEOVER): While I was setting up 843 00:40:46,111 --> 00:40:49,047 the command post, directing companies in 844 00:40:49,147 --> 00:40:51,483 to extinguish the fire, I had set up 845 00:40:51,583 --> 00:40:55,587 my video camera to film the fire for training 846 00:40:55,687 --> 00:40:58,690 and investigation purposes. 847 00:40:58,790 --> 00:41:00,626 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): By comparing Captain Dellinges's 848 00:41:00,726 --> 00:41:02,994 tape with the video shot by the arsonist, 849 00:41:03,094 --> 00:41:05,631 investigators were able to confirm beyond a doubt 850 00:41:05,731 --> 00:41:06,632 the fire's location. 851 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,369 MARK POLLIO (VOICEOVER) Some of the calls received 852 00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:14,773 led us to a 17-year-old Woodside youth. 853 00:41:14,873 --> 00:41:16,775 We interviewed that youth. 854 00:41:16,875 --> 00:41:19,811 Through that interview, it led us to a 19-year-old Redwood 855 00:41:19,911 --> 00:41:21,547 City youth. 856 00:41:21,647 --> 00:41:24,516 He was arrested and interviewed and subsequently 857 00:41:24,616 --> 00:41:28,286 admitted burning the house, taking the video 858 00:41:28,386 --> 00:41:31,757 and was the one who talked on the videotape. 859 00:41:31,857 --> 00:41:34,693 Our biggest hope was that maybe we'd find an area 860 00:41:34,793 --> 00:41:37,028 or a location on the fire. 861 00:41:37,128 --> 00:41:39,430 We never dreamed that we'd get the results that we did. 862 00:41:59,785 --> 00:42:05,090 [non-english speech] 863 00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:06,892 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Every October 18th, Francesca 864 00:42:06,992 --> 00:42:09,494 and Tomas Santana commemorate their daughter 865 00:42:09,595 --> 00:42:12,063 Marlene's birthday. 866 00:42:12,163 --> 00:42:14,499 But every October 18th is also a time 867 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,868 of sorrow for the Santana family, 868 00:42:16,968 --> 00:42:20,405 for their daughter has been missing since 1985. 869 00:42:20,505 --> 00:42:23,108 Three days after Marlene Santana was born, 870 00:42:23,208 --> 00:42:25,977 she was kidnapped on a Brooklyn street. 871 00:42:26,077 --> 00:42:30,215 No trace of her has ever been found. 872 00:42:30,315 --> 00:42:35,120 On October 18th, 1985, Francesca gave birth to a little girl. 873 00:42:35,220 --> 00:42:36,755 She named her Marlene. 874 00:42:36,855 --> 00:42:38,523 FRANCESCA SANTANA (VOICEOVER): When my baby was born, 875 00:42:38,624 --> 00:42:39,991 she was pretty. 876 00:42:40,091 --> 00:42:42,160 She was very beautiful. 877 00:42:42,260 --> 00:42:45,964 She was the most beautiful baby in the nursery. 878 00:42:46,064 --> 00:42:47,766 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Three days later on the 21st 879 00:42:47,866 --> 00:42:49,901 of October, Francesca was preparing 880 00:42:50,001 --> 00:42:52,503 to take her baby daughter home when she met 881 00:42:52,604 --> 00:42:54,105 a woman outside the nursery. 882 00:42:54,205 --> 00:42:55,440 That your baby. 883 00:42:55,540 --> 00:42:56,742 Yeah. 884 00:42:56,842 --> 00:42:59,344 He's so beautiful. 885 00:42:59,444 --> 00:43:02,714 I was looking at my baby in the nursery, 886 00:43:02,814 --> 00:43:05,016 I saw a woman in the window that told 887 00:43:05,116 --> 00:43:11,156 me that my baby was the most quiet one, the prettiest one. 888 00:43:11,256 --> 00:43:14,592 And I was glad that she told me that, because I 889 00:43:14,693 --> 00:43:16,027 thought she liked my baby. 890 00:43:19,097 --> 00:43:20,766 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): A few hours later, Francesca 891 00:43:20,866 --> 00:43:23,534 checked out of the hospital. 892 00:43:23,635 --> 00:43:25,804 Her two sisters-in-law came to take her home. 893 00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:30,441 The time was 9 PM. 894 00:43:30,541 --> 00:43:31,576 FRANCESCA SANTANA (VOICEOVER): When 895 00:43:31,677 --> 00:43:36,214 we were going downstairs, a woman come to me, 896 00:43:36,314 --> 00:43:38,850 the same woman that I saw in the nursery. 897 00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:40,085 Where are you going? 898 00:43:40,185 --> 00:43:41,352 I've been waiting for you all night. 899 00:43:41,452 --> 00:43:42,187 FRANCESCA SANTANA (VOICEOVER): She told me 900 00:43:42,287 --> 00:43:43,454 she was waiting for me all day. 901 00:43:43,554 --> 00:43:45,056 I'm going home now. 902 00:43:45,156 --> 00:43:45,957 Goodbye. 903 00:43:46,057 --> 00:43:47,158 This isn't a game. 904 00:43:47,258 --> 00:43:48,559 I'm not joking around. 905 00:43:53,098 --> 00:43:55,366 Walk, or I'll blow her head off. 906 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,275 FRANCESCA SANTANA (VOICEOVER): So she told us to come 907 00:44:04,375 --> 00:44:07,412 and she told us to walk. 908 00:44:07,512 --> 00:44:10,281 Or she's going to blow up the head. 909 00:44:10,381 --> 00:44:12,083 And we walk. 910 00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:15,921 Keep going. 911 00:44:16,021 --> 00:44:17,689 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): They walked over six blocks 912 00:44:17,789 --> 00:44:18,489 at gunpoint. 913 00:44:18,589 --> 00:44:19,357 KIDNAPPER (VOICEOVER): Walk. 914 00:44:21,793 --> 00:44:23,228 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Finally they stopped 915 00:44:23,328 --> 00:44:25,196 near a deserted junkyard. 916 00:44:25,296 --> 00:44:27,032 KIDNAPPER (VOICEOVER): Stop. 917 00:44:27,132 --> 00:44:28,867 I said stop. 918 00:44:28,967 --> 00:44:30,601 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): At first Francesca thought 919 00:44:30,702 --> 00:44:32,838 that they were being robbed. 920 00:44:32,938 --> 00:44:35,573 Give me the baby. 921 00:44:35,673 --> 00:44:37,542 Give me the baby. 922 00:44:37,642 --> 00:44:39,344 [baby crying] 923 00:44:39,444 --> 00:44:41,747 I said, give me the baby. 924 00:44:46,651 --> 00:44:48,486 KIDNAPPER (VOICEOVER): Keep walking. 925 00:44:48,586 --> 00:44:50,922 Walk! 926 00:44:51,022 --> 00:44:54,025 The woman got in a car driven by an accomplice and drove off. 927 00:44:54,125 --> 00:44:55,160 FRANCESCA SANTANA (VOICEOVER): No! 928 00:44:55,260 --> 00:44:56,061 No! 929 00:44:59,030 --> 00:45:01,867 When she took the baby, I was in shock. 930 00:45:01,967 --> 00:45:03,668 I didn't know what to do. 931 00:45:03,769 --> 00:45:06,037 I was crying. 932 00:45:06,137 --> 00:45:10,175 I st-- stopped the car there, and nobody help us. 933 00:45:13,745 --> 00:45:15,646 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): After Francesca and her companions 934 00:45:15,747 --> 00:45:20,786 went to the police, detectives were assigned to the case. 935 00:45:20,886 --> 00:45:23,454 Francesca was able to describe the car that 936 00:45:23,554 --> 00:45:26,457 had driven away with her baby. 937 00:45:26,557 --> 00:45:30,728 It was a white 1976 Chevy Malibu with red lettering on its door. 938 00:45:33,999 --> 00:45:36,334 At the hospital, police tried to gather descriptions 939 00:45:36,434 --> 00:45:38,103 of the mysterious woman. 940 00:45:38,203 --> 00:45:40,571 Some believe that she was not a professional criminal, 941 00:45:40,671 --> 00:45:42,841 but rather an emotionally disturbed woman 942 00:45:42,941 --> 00:45:46,577 unable to have a child of her own. 943 00:45:46,677 --> 00:45:48,146 Based on eyewitness descriptions, 944 00:45:48,246 --> 00:45:51,216 a composite was created showing the abductor. 945 00:45:51,316 --> 00:45:54,085 She was white with Hispanic features and no accent. 946 00:45:54,185 --> 00:45:56,554 She had dyed reddish blond hair and appeared 947 00:45:56,654 --> 00:45:59,157 to be in her late '20s. 948 00:45:59,257 --> 00:46:01,793 Today, three years later, the Santana family still 949 00:46:01,893 --> 00:46:03,694 search for their missing child. 950 00:46:03,795 --> 00:46:05,296 A composite artist sketched Marlena 951 00:46:05,396 --> 00:46:07,265 as she might look today. 952 00:46:07,365 --> 00:46:09,434 She would be three years of age, and may celebrate 953 00:46:09,534 --> 00:46:11,136 her birthday around Halloween. 954 00:46:11,236 --> 00:46:13,204 She might have been put up for an illegal adoption 955 00:46:13,304 --> 00:46:16,541 in late 1985 or 1986. 956 00:46:16,641 --> 00:46:20,245 Maybe one day a person who knows where's my baby-- 957 00:46:20,345 --> 00:46:21,746 they must say something. 958 00:46:21,847 --> 00:46:24,816 They must do it. 959 00:46:24,916 --> 00:46:27,252 I don't think I could die without seeing my baby again. 960 00:46:35,894 --> 00:46:37,395 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Next week on "Unsolved 961 00:46:37,495 --> 00:46:40,765 Mysteries," December 1945-- 962 00:46:40,866 --> 00:46:43,835 a squadron of Navy torpedo planes took off from Florida 963 00:46:43,935 --> 00:46:46,304 and literally disappeared from the face of the earth 964 00:46:46,404 --> 00:46:49,007 during a routine training exercise in an area we 965 00:46:49,107 --> 00:46:51,542 now call the Bermuda Triangle. 966 00:46:51,642 --> 00:46:54,345 Since then, the mysterious powers of the Bermuda Triangle 967 00:46:54,445 --> 00:46:58,183 are said to have caused hundreds of ships and planes to vanish. 968 00:46:58,283 --> 00:47:00,218 Now dramatic new evidence suggests 969 00:47:00,318 --> 00:47:02,187 that the legend of the Bermuda Triangle 970 00:47:02,287 --> 00:47:06,557 is just that, only a legend. 971 00:47:06,657 --> 00:47:10,028 And in northern California, one woman 972 00:47:10,128 --> 00:47:13,531 takes a brave stand against drug dealers in her neighborhood. 973 00:47:13,631 --> 00:47:16,267 An unexpected barrage of gunfire left her wounded, 974 00:47:16,367 --> 00:47:18,236 but more determined than ever. 975 00:47:18,336 --> 00:47:22,440 Her attackers fled and remained unidentified. 976 00:47:22,540 --> 00:47:24,809 We'll also tell you the poignant story of six brothers 977 00:47:24,910 --> 00:47:26,777 and sisters who were uprooted from their homes 978 00:47:26,878 --> 00:47:28,646 and placed in orphanages. 979 00:47:28,746 --> 00:47:30,281 Today five of them are still searching 980 00:47:30,381 --> 00:47:32,117 for the missing brother. 981 00:47:32,217 --> 00:47:34,785 Join me next week for another edition 982 00:47:34,886 --> 00:47:37,288 of "Unsolved Mysteries." 77079

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