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My name is Jerhonda Pace,
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and I was with Rob
for six months
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when I was 16 years old.
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KANIKA "KITTI" JONES:
My name is Kitti Jones,
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and I was with R. Kelly
for two and a half years.
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ALICE:
Our daughter Azriel Clary
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has been with R. Kelly
about three years now.
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MICHELLE:
My name is Michelle W. Kramer.
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My daughter Dominique has been
in his life for--
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off and on-- for nine years.
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♪ ♪
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(fans cheering)
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-(crowd cheering)
-REPORTER: The jury
is deliberating
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in R. Kelly's
child pornography case.
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KIM JANSSEN: Everyone
in the courtroom thought
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he was gonna be found guilty.
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CRAIG WILLIAMS:
Rob was very scared
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of going to jail.
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KATHY CHANEY:
When they said "Not guilty,"
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every reporter's face
was like...
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ANDREA KELLY: Robert, you know
the turmoil you brought
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into my kids' life,
and for that,
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you can go to hell.
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JERHONDA:
After Robert's trial,
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his friend sent me a message
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and invited me
to R. Kelly's party.
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I didn't tell anyone
I was going to his house.
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And I said, "I'm a virgin,"
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and he said,
"Well, that's perfect."
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Dominique and I
had met on MySpace
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based on liking R. Kelly.
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MICHELLE: She had a girlfriend
that called me and said,
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"Nikka has been
seeing R. Kelly."
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I said, "Give me
his phone number."
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I said, "R. Kelly,
this is Michelle Kramer.
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Stay the (bleep) away
from my daughter."
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ANN POWERS: At that time,
R. Kelly wasn't at the top
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of his game commercially,
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but he still held a place
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in the heart of people
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in the media.
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Certainly, fans.
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And he was sort of a,
you know, a cult figure.
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And for better or worse,
his transgressions,
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in some ways,
solidified that status.
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R. Kelly has asked
a lot of us to forget about
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Aaliyah,
forget about the sex tape,
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forget about the trial.
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R. Kelly is innocent.
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NEWS ANCHOR: R. Kelly was
arrested in Polk back in 2002
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on child porn charges,
though he was later acquitted.
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FORMER EMPLOYEE (distorted):
It made him, you know,
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feel that he can continue to get
away with those type of acts.
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My only daughter.
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I thought she was fine.
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She went on prom.
She got a job.
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She was doing what she was
supposed to do as a teenager,
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and, um, we end up moving
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to the north side of Chicago.
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I went to Kaplan College for,
um, medical billing and coding,
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and she went
for dental assistant.
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She was doing her own thing,
and then all of a sudden,
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she came home and said,
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"I haven't been
telling you the truth."
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And I said, "What you mean?"
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"I had still been seeing him.
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And he asked me
to move to Atlanta."
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Now at this time,
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she about 21, 22.
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What can I do? She's grown.
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I didn't want to lose
my daughter to him.
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I had to make
the hardest choice:
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Go against her...
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or give her my blessing.
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All I could do was pray
and hope one day
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that she just wake up
and just come home.
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I was with R. Kelly for six
months when I was 16 years old.
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I didn't see my friend
Dominique in the house,
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but I knew Dominique was there
because me and her
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used to always try to meet up
in the house
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and it never worked out.
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Rob always kept us separated.
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I would be isolated.
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I felt like a prisoner.
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It's, like, I didn't have anyone
to, um, talk to. It was just me.
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I went into a depression.
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I was mentally drained
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'cause he would break me down,
then build me up,
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then make me feel
like (bleep) again,
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and do it all over again.
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So it was-- He would really
manipulate my mind.
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The breaking point
for me was when
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Rob slapped me and he choked me
until I blacked out.
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He was about six feet tall,
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and I'm only
five-one and a half,
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and he lift me up and I was,
like, eye level with him,
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and then I remember
just blacking out
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and I-I hit the floor.
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That was the straw
that broke the camel's back,
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and that's why
I had to walk away.
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After that incident
happened between us,
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I powered my phone off
and I left,
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and I never looked back.
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Knowing that Dominique
is still in the house,
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it's very painful to know
that she's still
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experiencing all of those things
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that she was experiencing
when I was there.
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She just deserves better,
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and I don't want her
to be there anymore.
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She should have a better life.
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I do know of someone
who tried to help
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one girl in particular
get out of the house.
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There was a staff member
who tried to help Dominique.
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It was a situation
where Dominique expressed
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how she was being mistreated.
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To Robert,
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Dominique is, like,
the rebellious one.
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She stays in trouble to him.
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She's a little tomboyish,
and Robert plays on that.
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So he has molded her
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into the boy he wants her to be.
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So he's had her shave
all her hair off,
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and she carries herself
like a boy.
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He's even had her dress
in boy clothes
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and paint the-the beard
and the mustache on
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to look like a boy.
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So he treats her
like his boy toy.
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My name is Timothy Savage.
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My daughter was off
in college at the time.
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I haven't seen her since.
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My daughter's
severely brainwashed.
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She's brainwashed
to the point where, um,
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she says anything
that he asks her to say.
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Uh, she-she's not the same
Joycelyn that we knew.
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Stockholm syndrome, that's what
my daughter has right now.
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We both was blindsided.
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We didn't know it,
but the storm was coming.
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It was never for my daughter
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to-to get in touch
with this man, not one time,
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without me or my wife
being present.
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Joycelyn was a--
She was kind of shy,
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you know, she was a loner,
she liked to stay to herself.
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But when it came on
to music or modeling,
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she turned on like a flash,
like a butterfly.
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At the early ages of life, she
was always wanting to do this.
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One night, I got off from wor,
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she came downstairs
and she was singing.
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I said, "Is that Joycelyn?"
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And I said, "She could sing."
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This was probably
about ten years old.
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JONJELYN: When we met Mr. Kelly,
we went in strictly
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for a professional relationship.
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I think that R. Kelly
could've helped
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put my daughter
in the right position
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to help her make her a star
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because he had a lot
of influences
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with the record labels
and, uh, he's created
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big hits with a lot of people.
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I think it was back in 2008,
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we did hear some type of,
you know,
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allegations that he had, uh,
a trial that was going on,
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but, uh, the courts found him
not guilty at that time,
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so we didn't think
nothing else of it.
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JONJELYN:
December, fall of 2016,
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she had told us that
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she studied, that she, you know,
passed all her exams,
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and she was looking forward
to the next semester.
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TIMOTHY: We felt like
we started to disconnect
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in, uh, 2016,
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late fall.
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I was going to, um,
register Joycelyn
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for the, uh, next semester,
and I needed to talk to her.
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JONJELYN: I wasn't able to get
in touch with my daughter
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for three days straight,
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but I was able
to track down her--
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one of her roommates
that she was really close with,
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and this particular roommate
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said that Joycelyn hadn't been
at the dorm for a few days.
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TIMOTHY: So we end up-- We said,
"Hey, something is going on.
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This a red flag."
And then we got a call
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from her, and she told us
that she was with R. Kelly.
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We was like,
"What are you doing? You're in,
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"you're in college.
We had this discussion.
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"I thought you was headed
in the direction
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that you want to go in."
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And she told me
that she didn't know
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what she wanted
to do at that point.
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Weeks went by
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with no answers. It was like
a dead, silence tone
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when I'd call.
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It has been over
almost two years now,
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and we still haven't
seen our daughter.
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When the Savages first came out
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talking about Joycelyn,
R. Kelly had meetings
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to strategize to fix
the situation.
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So the first thing was to put
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Joycelyn in front
of the camera on TMZ,
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which is something he
ordinarily would not have done,
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but because they said
that Joycelyn was being held
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against her will
and all of that stuff,
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he had to clean it up.
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INTERVIEWER: You are not being
held against your will?
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Oh, n-no. Not at all.
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Never been feeling hostage
or anything like that,
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in that nature, never.
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FORMER EMPLOYEE:
As far as the video
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that Joycelyn Savage made,
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I would say that it was scripted
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because Robert does not
allow those girls
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to say anything that he has not
told them to say.
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TIMOTHY: Yeah, you see shadows
in the background,
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showing someone saying, "Cut,"
on her shirt.
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INTERVIEWER: Are you free to go
from where you are?
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JOYCELYN: No, uh,
I won't speak on that as well.
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It made me feel horrible
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that you see somebody
doing this in a shadow
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going in the background.
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That's a control,
like she's locked up
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in a jail cell.
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I really think it hit me
when I, when I saw her face
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on, you know, TMZ.
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I could tell that she was
not the same Joycelyn
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who was raised up to be.
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How can he just sit here
and ruin these little girls?
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Like, you-you can't--
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Like, I feel like
he has no heart.
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POWERS: When the ball started
rolling down the hill again
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for R. Kelly,
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there was a piece in BuzzFeed,
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there was something
in The New Yorker.
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The story had hit
the mainstream in a new way.
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BuzzFeed has published
an explosive report
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detailing accusations
against artist R. Kelly.
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NEWSWOMAN:
According to the report,
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he's keeping a household
of young women
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in a cult-like atmosphere.
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REPORTER: The accusations coming
from a nine-month-long
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investigative report.
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The article quickly becoming
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one of the top trending items
on social media.
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From the time that
the Savages came out,
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shows started to get canceled.
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He has lost money
from his bookings,
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so the stories, they have
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affected his livelihood,
and he knows that.
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I want everybody
around the world to know,
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ain't no tours canceled,
man, all right?
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Despite what you hear,
don't believe the hype.
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I haven't canceled not one show.
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INTERVIEWER: You stand by
your words, you know,
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R. Kelly's not holding
any women hostage
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or he doesn't have
a sex cult or...?
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Um, no. None of that is true.
None of that is true.
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All of that
is false accusations.
255
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You know, people talk
all the time, you know.
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It's just rumors.
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Yeah, I'm out here in L.A.,
you know, just vacationing,
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and he's in Chicago.
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INTERVIEWER: Oh, cool. You're
doing your own thing right now.
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Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Doing my own thing.
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MICHELLE:
When I saw the TMZ video,
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I looked over and it was
my daughter Dominique.
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She was very unrecognizable
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because how her hair was
and she was all
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tattooed up.
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So I could see they was
in Beverly Hills,
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and I just put
two and two together
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that that's probably
where she's staying.
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So I spoke with the producers,
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because I was already coming
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to L.A. to do the documentary.
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And so I convinced them to...
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take me to Beverly Hills
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to locate my daughter.
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♪ ♪
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PRODUCER:
What are you doing right now?
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MICHELLE:
I'm just looking out the window.
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She might be walking
down the street.
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You can never replace a mothe.
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Never.
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When they sick,
we take care of them,
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We ain't never know that.
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That's a mother.
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Not sayin' fathers don't do it.
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But this one...
I did all that.
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So you can never replace that.
287
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One of the things she told me,
she told me never to give up.
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So me coming to L.A.
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and not trying to even
try to find her...
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I'm not giving up.
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I'm not.
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♪ ♪
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TARANA BURKE:
After the trial,
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R. Kelly has had
huge performances--
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particularly, again,
in black spaces.
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He's had the Soul Train Music
Award tribute to Sam Cooke.
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NELSON GEORGE:
The 2010 performance,
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the Epic soul extravaganza,
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is definitely his attempt
to come back.
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He was making, also, a plea
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to black adults.
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That's why I think he did
the '50s thing.
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When I watched it, I said,
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"This is an incredibly
calculated performance."
305
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And the messaging of it
is really interesting
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in light of where he was
in his career, and that is,
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"I'm not being
a youthful pop star.
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"I'm your guy.
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I'm part of everything you are."
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TRACII McGREGOR:
He dropped Love Letter.
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And that record didn't do
312
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very well, either.
It did better than Untitled,
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but when you're looking at,
like, the breadth of his work,
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it paled in comparison.
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And still-- He's still, you
know, working in the industry.
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I mean, R. Kelly wrote
most of the songs
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for the Sparkle soundtrack.
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He did a song
for Whitney Houston,
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"I Look to You,"
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which did fairly well for her.
321
00:16:21,730 --> 00:16:25,609
R. Kelly, with his...
mmm... genius,
322
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wrote this song for me
many years ago.
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Spiritually, it... connected
with me, very much.
324
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By the time Whitney Houston
dies, you know,
325
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his reputation is pretty bad.
326
00:16:35,619 --> 00:16:37,413
We all know about the sex tapes.
327
00:16:37,413 --> 00:16:39,456
A lot of the stuff about the
abuse of women is coming out.
328
00:16:39,456 --> 00:16:41,458
It's been pretty consistent.
329
00:16:41,458 --> 00:16:43,850
So for him-him to even be
330
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at Whitney's funeral
is kind of like...
331
00:16:45,450 --> 00:16:47,890
I'm sure some people
were very upset about that.
332
00:16:47,890 --> 00:16:51,510
He seems nervous when he gets
up there, because...
333
00:16:51,510 --> 00:16:53,220
Maybe he's even aware that--
the enormity of what he's doing
334
00:16:53,220 --> 00:16:55,764
and how potentially
inappropriate it is.
335
00:16:55,764 --> 00:16:57,766
And how many of those people are
judging him in that audience.
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♪ I look to you... ♪
337
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(choir vocalizing)
338
00:17:07,776 --> 00:17:10,863
And yet he wins the crowd,
because of
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00:17:10,863 --> 00:17:12,781
the purity of his emotion.
340
00:17:12,781 --> 00:17:14,491
And you see the pastors,
341
00:17:14,491 --> 00:17:17,119
who stand up during the song
342
00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,663
to sort of accept
his testimony.
343
00:17:19,663 --> 00:17:22,400
And it's very powerful.
344
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We love you, Whitney.
345
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Rest in peace.
346
00:17:25,294 --> 00:17:27,463
BURKE:
When he has these moments,
347
00:17:27,463 --> 00:17:29,798
it elevates him to a status
in our community
348
00:17:29,798 --> 00:17:31,425
that-that really is protected.
349
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♪ ♪
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DR. JODY ADEWALE: Our society
tends to compartmentalize
351
00:17:35,137 --> 00:17:36,805
the things we don't want
to look at
352
00:17:36,805 --> 00:17:40,601
and magnifies and glorifies
the things that we do.
353
00:17:40,601 --> 00:17:43,812
For example, if an individual
is providing something
354
00:17:43,812 --> 00:17:45,856
to the society--
355
00:17:45,856 --> 00:17:48,233
as music, cinema, politics--
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00:17:48,233 --> 00:17:50,680
we're more likely
357
00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,290
to compartmentalize
their negative behavior
358
00:17:52,290 --> 00:17:53,655
and minimize it,
359
00:17:53,655 --> 00:17:55,949
as a way of accepting
what they are contributing.
360
00:17:55,949 --> 00:17:58,786
BURKE: We don't want
to let go of R. Kelly
361
00:17:58,786 --> 00:18:00,871
because it means let going of
all of that catalogue of music
362
00:18:00,871 --> 00:18:03,290
and the memories
that go along with it.
363
00:18:03,290 --> 00:18:06,335
Whether you sang "I Believe
I Can Fly" at your graduation
364
00:18:06,335 --> 00:18:08,295
or you "Stepped in the Name
of Love" at your wedding,
365
00:18:08,295 --> 00:18:10,464
people don't want
to let that go.
366
00:18:10,464 --> 00:18:12,800
His music is black music.
367
00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,178
It crosses over,
but he targets the black people.
368
00:18:16,178 --> 00:18:19,181
And as a people, we forgive.
369
00:18:19,181 --> 00:18:20,849
And-and keep forgiving you.
370
00:18:20,849 --> 00:18:22,726
That's the church in us.
371
00:18:22,726 --> 00:18:25,200
But now it's like,
372
00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:26,188
we have gone from stories
373
00:18:26,188 --> 00:18:27,773
that could be dismissed...
374
00:18:27,773 --> 00:18:29,858
They just want to bring him
down, to kill his image.
375
00:18:29,858 --> 00:18:32,528
POWERS:
...to stories about women
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00:18:32,528 --> 00:18:35,364
who were being kept
from their parents.
377
00:18:40,869 --> 00:18:43,163
♪ ♪
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PRODUCER: Kind of looks like
the (bleep) over there.
379
00:18:45,541 --> 00:18:47,376
-Where?
-Right...
380
00:18:47,376 --> 00:18:48,752
Um...
381
00:18:48,752 --> 00:18:50,254
PRODUCER:
All right. Let's go.
382
00:18:57,678 --> 00:18:59,471
MICHELLE: In my heart,
I know she's there.
383
00:18:59,471 --> 00:19:01,640
And... I know she's there.
384
00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,601
My plan is just to go
into the hotel
385
00:19:04,601 --> 00:19:07,620
and just, basically--
it's Mother's Day weekend--
386
00:19:07,620 --> 00:19:11,275
and say, "Can you have her come
down? There's a package here."
387
00:19:17,155 --> 00:19:21,159
They said no,
there wasn't no Gardner there.
388
00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:25,747
But I didn't get to L.A.
not to find my daughter.
389
00:19:25,747 --> 00:19:27,291
-(men chatting indistinctly)
-MICHELLE: Could I ask you...
390
00:19:27,291 --> 00:19:28,917
could I ask you a question?
391
00:19:28,917 --> 00:19:31,461
So I saw this black guy
outside,
392
00:19:31,461 --> 00:19:33,463
like maybe a doorman or
something,
393
00:19:33,463 --> 00:19:35,841
and I described Dominique
to him.
394
00:19:35,841 --> 00:19:39,636
And he said, "Try the one
across the street."
395
00:19:39,636 --> 00:19:42,389
And I did not know
it was a whole nother hotel
396
00:19:42,389 --> 00:19:44,141
of the same name
across the street.
397
00:19:44,141 --> 00:19:46,143
♪ ♪
398
00:20:00,741 --> 00:20:02,242
Oh! I got company.
399
00:20:02,242 --> 00:20:03,994
All right, how are you guys?
400
00:20:03,994 --> 00:20:06,380
KANIKA:
Back in 2011,
401
00:20:06,380 --> 00:20:08,832
I was a radio DJ in Dallas.
402
00:20:08,832 --> 00:20:12,794
Um... and I had met R. Kelly
at an after-party
403
00:20:12,794 --> 00:20:15,422
while he was on
the Love Letter Tour.
404
00:20:15,422 --> 00:20:17,841
I proceeded to introduce mysef
405
00:20:17,841 --> 00:20:20,761
and let him know that
I was from the radio station.
406
00:20:20,761 --> 00:20:23,550
He proceeded to ask me
how old I was.
407
00:20:23,550 --> 00:20:25,515
Told him I was in my 30s,
408
00:20:25,515 --> 00:20:27,590
and he was shocked.
409
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:30,270
He just kind of
sized me up a little bit,
410
00:20:30,270 --> 00:20:32,220
from head to toe, like,
what I looked like.
411
00:20:32,220 --> 00:20:33,690
And we were just kind of
412
00:20:33,690 --> 00:20:35,359
shaking hands really slow
413
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,486
and that's when he slipped me
the phone number.
414
00:20:37,486 --> 00:20:39,655
♪ ♪
415
00:20:39,655 --> 00:20:43,116
Long distance was a hard thing
for both of us, so...
416
00:20:43,116 --> 00:20:44,952
I quit my job
417
00:20:44,952 --> 00:20:47,829
and moved to Chicago.
418
00:20:47,829 --> 00:20:50,249
I didn't just pack up and leave
419
00:20:50,249 --> 00:20:53,850
just because I loved him,
it was a two-way thing.
420
00:20:53,850 --> 00:20:57,464
Rob absolutely told me that
he loved me, all the time.
421
00:20:57,464 --> 00:21:02,761
I was visiting Dallas
and a friend of mine said,
422
00:21:02,761 --> 00:21:05,889
"Um, you know,
have you ever watched
423
00:21:05,889 --> 00:21:07,516
the sex tape?"
424
00:21:07,516 --> 00:21:11,190
And I was furious with her
425
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:14,640
and I felt disrespected,
because...
426
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:15,816
at this point,
this is my boyfriend.
427
00:21:15,816 --> 00:21:19,945
Not only that, I just felt like
if you have respect for me
428
00:21:19,945 --> 00:21:21,947
you wouldn't be bringing up
something that
429
00:21:21,947 --> 00:21:24,449
people are gonna always
make fun of him over.
430
00:21:24,449 --> 00:21:25,742
I'm-I'm offended as well.
431
00:21:25,742 --> 00:21:27,661
But my curiosity
432
00:21:27,661 --> 00:21:29,413
just kind of got the best of e
433
00:21:29,413 --> 00:21:30,872
and I googled it.
434
00:21:30,872 --> 00:21:32,374
And, um...
435
00:21:34,420 --> 00:21:36,128
...when I saw the images,
436
00:21:36,128 --> 00:21:38,880
um...
437
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,882
(sobs)
438
00:21:42,134 --> 00:21:44,553
The images were...
439
00:21:49,570 --> 00:21:52,477
...the same girl
that he had introduced me to,
440
00:21:52,477 --> 00:21:55,630
um...
441
00:21:55,630 --> 00:21:56,732
a couple weeks before.
442
00:21:56,732 --> 00:22:00,527
I knew ex-- I knew immediately
it was the same woman.
443
00:22:00,527 --> 00:22:03,300
Um...
444
00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:04,740
I just didn't know how to feel.
445
00:22:04,740 --> 00:22:08,910
I-I guess I felt like
I was tricked into something.
446
00:22:08,910 --> 00:22:10,328
All at the same time.
447
00:22:10,328 --> 00:22:12,800
It was just...
448
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,124
a bunch of emotions
coming over me, like,
449
00:22:14,124 --> 00:22:17,200
am I really with someone
that did this?
450
00:22:27,179 --> 00:22:29,931
KANIKA:
I called him.
451
00:22:29,931 --> 00:22:33,685
And... I was very upset.
452
00:22:33,685 --> 00:22:36,271
He could hear me crying
and I said,
453
00:22:36,271 --> 00:22:39,191
"My friend sent me the tape,"
or something like that.
454
00:22:39,191 --> 00:22:41,359
I didn't want him to know
that I went looking for it,
455
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,361
so I carefully worded it
456
00:22:43,361 --> 00:22:46,281
so he didn't think that
457
00:22:46,281 --> 00:22:48,742
I went looking for a tape.
458
00:22:48,742 --> 00:22:51,369
The tape that
he went to trial for.
459
00:22:51,369 --> 00:22:55,207
He just began, like,
460
00:22:55,207 --> 00:22:57,334
saying things to me
461
00:22:57,334 --> 00:22:58,877
that I'd never heard before.
462
00:22:58,877 --> 00:23:00,879
Like, "Bitch,
don't ever accuse me
463
00:23:00,879 --> 00:23:03,131
of some (bleep) like that
ever again."
464
00:23:03,131 --> 00:23:04,633
And "Who are you listening to?
465
00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:06,343
"Get your ass back.
466
00:23:06,343 --> 00:23:08,762
I'm (bleep) you up."
Things like that.
467
00:23:08,762 --> 00:23:10,680
And I was just...
468
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,682
scared.
469
00:23:15,143 --> 00:23:17,145
♪ ♪
470
00:23:17,145 --> 00:23:19,147
He beat me in the car
when I got back.
471
00:23:22,109 --> 00:23:24,528
That was the first time
he was very physical with me.
472
00:23:24,528 --> 00:23:28,730
Not only do I need to save face
for myself,
473
00:23:28,730 --> 00:23:29,491
I need to protect him, too,
474
00:23:29,491 --> 00:23:31,284
because now I loved him,
I love him.
475
00:23:31,284 --> 00:23:34,329
And now he knows
that I know this secret.
476
00:23:34,329 --> 00:23:39,420
And I need him to understand
that I'm not gonna tell anybody.
477
00:23:39,420 --> 00:23:41,461
♪ ♪
478
00:23:41,461 --> 00:23:43,547
I felt trapped.
479
00:23:43,547 --> 00:23:45,423
On the inside, I was like,
480
00:23:45,423 --> 00:23:47,920
"Who am I dealing with?"
481
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,136
Like, who is this person
that I'm lying down with?
482
00:23:49,136 --> 00:23:51,221
Is he doing this secretly?
483
00:23:51,221 --> 00:23:52,514
You know?
484
00:23:52,514 --> 00:23:55,684
And I'm of age.
Am I just a beard?
485
00:23:55,684 --> 00:23:57,686
I didn't know.
486
00:23:57,686 --> 00:23:59,688
I just...
487
00:24:01,231 --> 00:24:03,275
I just knew that
488
00:24:03,275 --> 00:24:05,944
when we were the car
and he was lashing out at me
489
00:24:05,944 --> 00:24:08,655
and-and slapping me repeatedly,
490
00:24:08,655 --> 00:24:11,950
and I just kept telling him
I was sorry
491
00:24:11,950 --> 00:24:14,911
and that I... I wasn't
accusing him of anything
492
00:24:14,911 --> 00:24:16,454
and that I didn't believe it.
493
00:24:16,454 --> 00:24:20,917
At this point,
there's no turning back.
494
00:24:20,917 --> 00:24:23,837
And I just-- I wanted
to make it work by all means.
495
00:24:23,837 --> 00:24:25,797
But...
496
00:24:25,797 --> 00:24:27,340
he would beat me
497
00:24:27,340 --> 00:24:29,500
when he was upset with me.
498
00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:33,972
There's a period that--
499
00:24:33,972 --> 00:24:35,974
He calls it "training you."
500
00:24:35,974 --> 00:24:38,977
He used those words with me
plenty of times.
501
00:24:38,977 --> 00:24:42,731
I didn't understand
502
00:24:42,731 --> 00:24:45,692
that training me was, like,
okay, let me...
503
00:24:45,692 --> 00:24:48,695
let me put this out here
and see if she...
504
00:24:48,695 --> 00:24:50,363
is comfortable with that.
505
00:24:50,363 --> 00:24:54,618
You definitely had to ask
to go to the restroom.
506
00:24:54,618 --> 00:24:56,494
Stand up when he walks
in the room.
507
00:24:56,494 --> 00:24:59,289
You had to ask for your food.
508
00:24:59,289 --> 00:25:03,100
I was not allowed, by Rob,
to watch TV back then.
509
00:25:03,100 --> 00:25:06,870
Dance Moms was a show
that he would look at,
510
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:08,506
ironically, with little girls
dancing or whatever.
511
00:25:08,506 --> 00:25:12,761
But I never saw
any reality shows on VH1
512
00:25:12,761 --> 00:25:14,262
or anything that was negative
513
00:25:14,262 --> 00:25:16,848
or might have anything
that would,
514
00:25:16,848 --> 00:25:18,266
I guess, pertain to him
515
00:25:18,266 --> 00:25:19,935
or put any negative thoughts.
516
00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:23,230
ADEWALE:
The perpetrator might
517
00:25:23,230 --> 00:25:25,523
isolate an individual.
518
00:25:25,523 --> 00:25:28,318
It's easier
for a perpetrator to abuse--
519
00:25:28,318 --> 00:25:30,237
sexually, physically,
financially, emotionally
520
00:25:30,237 --> 00:25:31,863
abuse the individual
521
00:25:31,863 --> 00:25:33,865
when that individual is
separated from their family,
522
00:25:33,865 --> 00:25:36,534
when that individual
doesn't have resources.
523
00:25:36,534 --> 00:25:38,578
He or she can, um,
524
00:25:38,578 --> 00:25:41,373
essentially do whatever he or
she wants to that individual.
525
00:25:41,373 --> 00:25:44,459
The... the victim often believes
526
00:25:44,459 --> 00:25:46,294
"I have nothing else."
527
00:25:46,294 --> 00:25:48,171
Yeah, they had a lot of rules
528
00:25:48,171 --> 00:25:49,881
that they had us abide by.
529
00:25:49,881 --> 00:25:53,301
PRODUCER: What does it mean
to be in trouble with Rob,
530
00:25:53,301 --> 00:25:54,803
for one of the girls?
531
00:25:54,803 --> 00:25:57,138
FORMER EMPLOYEE:
Being in trouble with Rob
532
00:25:57,138 --> 00:26:00,183
would mean
being confined to a room
533
00:26:00,183 --> 00:26:01,601
for several days.
534
00:26:01,601 --> 00:26:03,561
Being confined on the tour bus
535
00:26:03,561 --> 00:26:04,688
for several days.
536
00:26:04,688 --> 00:26:06,815
Having their devices taken.
537
00:26:06,815 --> 00:26:08,692
Cell phones taken away.
538
00:26:08,692 --> 00:26:11,152
And even being spanked.
539
00:26:11,152 --> 00:26:14,300
Being on punishment could be...
540
00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:15,907
either you're not getting food
541
00:26:15,907 --> 00:26:18,243
or you took a beating
542
00:26:18,243 --> 00:26:19,786
and he's not talking to you.
543
00:26:19,786 --> 00:26:21,705
It was just a...
544
00:26:21,705 --> 00:26:23,415
a-a-a molding and shaping me
545
00:26:23,415 --> 00:26:24,582
into this person
546
00:26:24,582 --> 00:26:25,917
and then, once I realize
547
00:26:25,917 --> 00:26:27,794
this is what it's become,
548
00:26:27,794 --> 00:26:29,587
it's too late and I'm in it.
549
00:26:29,587 --> 00:26:34,217
FORMER EMPLOYEE (crying):
I'm sorry.
550
00:26:34,217 --> 00:26:36,219
I'm sorry.
551
00:26:41,391 --> 00:26:45,103
Because when you talk about it,
552
00:26:45,103 --> 00:26:50,692
you realize how sick and twisted
it really was.
553
00:26:53,611 --> 00:26:57,282
And when I first met
those girls...
554
00:27:02,996 --> 00:27:04,998
(sniffles, exhales)
555
00:27:04,998 --> 00:27:07,876
When I first met those girls,
556
00:27:07,876 --> 00:27:11,129
I judged them, not him.
557
00:27:11,129 --> 00:27:15,342
My first response
to myself was,
558
00:27:15,342 --> 00:27:17,886
"These bitches are crazy,"
559
00:27:17,886 --> 00:27:22,724
because I saw them jump up
and kiss him,
560
00:27:22,724 --> 00:27:24,976
one behind the other,
561
00:27:24,976 --> 00:27:29,189
and I knew what was going on
behind closed doors
562
00:27:29,189 --> 00:27:32,250
as far as them not being able
to eat when they wanted to,
563
00:27:32,250 --> 00:27:34,652
not being able to move around.
564
00:27:34,652 --> 00:27:39,740
Until I started to not
just look at the situation,
565
00:27:39,740 --> 00:27:44,371
but I started to also listen
to what he would say
566
00:27:44,371 --> 00:27:47,165
to make them act that way.
567
00:27:49,420 --> 00:27:51,211
KANIKA:
The summer of 2012,
568
00:27:51,211 --> 00:27:53,880
he was putting together
The Single Ladies Tour.
569
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,132
I was just kind of
at my wit's end to leave,
570
00:27:56,132 --> 00:28:01,120
and, um, he kind of reeled me
back in by asking me to go
571
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,723
-be the cage girl.
-(audience cheering)
572
00:28:06,351 --> 00:28:10,355
It made me feel special
that, "Okay, this is us
573
00:28:10,355 --> 00:28:12,232
working on the relationship,"
574
00:28:12,232 --> 00:28:15,443
some of the promises that
he made, um, before, you know,
575
00:28:15,443 --> 00:28:19,656
me even moving or-or making up
my mind to move.
576
00:28:19,656 --> 00:28:21,991
So, we practiced that.
577
00:28:21,991 --> 00:28:23,910
And the lights
were gonna go dim,
578
00:28:23,910 --> 00:28:26,663
and then the spotlight
would be on me
579
00:28:26,663 --> 00:28:29,820
with him on his knees
singing to me,
580
00:28:29,820 --> 00:28:31,960
and then he opens my legs
and goes down on me
581
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,586
while I'm in the seats.
582
00:28:33,586 --> 00:28:35,588
(fans screaming)
583
00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:40,552
JOYNER:
He did this 30 years ago.
584
00:28:40,552 --> 00:28:42,554
He was on stage
at the Essence Festival.
585
00:28:42,554 --> 00:28:46,391
Same act, with the bed,
grabbing his crotch,
586
00:28:46,391 --> 00:28:49,185
all of that-- simulating sex.
587
00:28:49,185 --> 00:28:50,854
He hasn't changed.
588
00:28:50,854 --> 00:28:53,148
We would run up
to the stage together,
589
00:28:53,148 --> 00:28:56,234
and then one of the guys
would hand me
590
00:28:56,234 --> 00:28:58,445
a fake contract, and then
I would be looking at it like,
591
00:28:58,445 --> 00:29:00,655
"Oh, my God, I'm about
to sign this to let him
592
00:29:00,655 --> 00:29:02,657
do what he wants with me."
593
00:29:02,657 --> 00:29:05,326
And I just remember him sayin,
594
00:29:05,326 --> 00:29:08,997
"This is what I'm gonna
have you do when we get home.
595
00:29:08,997 --> 00:29:10,415
"Make up a contract
596
00:29:10,415 --> 00:29:12,250
so I can protect myself."
597
00:29:14,377 --> 00:29:16,588
FORMER EMPLOYEE:
He does make
598
00:29:16,588 --> 00:29:20,800
the girls write statements
with false accusations
599
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:21,718
against themselves.
600
00:29:21,718 --> 00:29:23,887
Either saying that they've stole
something from him,
601
00:29:23,887 --> 00:29:27,560
or that their parents have
stole something from him,
602
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,309
or even that the parents
tried to bribe him,
603
00:29:29,309 --> 00:29:31,352
or something of that sort.
604
00:29:31,352 --> 00:29:32,604
I would call
the false statements
605
00:29:32,604 --> 00:29:34,397
some type of insurance.
606
00:29:34,397 --> 00:29:37,400
And I would even say,
in addition to the statements,
607
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,403
the fact that he videos
everything that they do
608
00:29:40,403 --> 00:29:43,310
when they are being sexual
with him,
609
00:29:43,310 --> 00:29:46,451
I see the videos
as being something
610
00:29:46,451 --> 00:29:50,830
that he can hold against them
or hold over their heads.
611
00:29:52,790 --> 00:29:55,100
KANIKA: The tour ended
middle of December
612
00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:56,544
of 2012.
613
00:29:56,544 --> 00:29:59,881
He introduced me
614
00:29:59,881 --> 00:30:01,591
sometime in February,
and my life
615
00:30:01,591 --> 00:30:04,552
just got turned
upside down after that.
616
00:30:04,552 --> 00:30:07,680
Sexually, it was always
one or two girls.
617
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,849
At the most, it was three.
618
00:30:09,849 --> 00:30:12,435
I just had to block it
all out, you know?
619
00:30:12,435 --> 00:30:15,980
Because the sexual part of it
is just so humiliating
620
00:30:15,980 --> 00:30:20,527
and degrading,
and it makes you feel, um,
621
00:30:20,527 --> 00:30:23,947
like, if you say no, like, what
the consequences are gonna be.
622
00:30:23,947 --> 00:30:28,618
He was preparing for the
Black Panties album, mainly.
623
00:30:28,618 --> 00:30:30,954
And my last straw
624
00:30:30,954 --> 00:30:32,789
was being starved.
625
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:34,916
I think I was going on
day three.
626
00:30:34,916 --> 00:30:37,126
I hadn't eaten the whole day,
627
00:30:37,126 --> 00:30:40,755
and I just remember
glancing over at him
628
00:30:40,755 --> 00:30:43,700
and just making, like,
a subtle movement, and he said,
629
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:46,135
"Don't stare at me
while I effing eat."
630
00:30:46,135 --> 00:30:48,960
And I said,
"I'm not staring at you."
631
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,599
Like, I had
no fear of him anymore.
632
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:53,601
It was just starting
to build up,
633
00:30:53,601 --> 00:30:55,979
and I just started
thinking of ways to, like,
634
00:30:55,979 --> 00:30:59,899
either end my life or end his.
635
00:31:03,486 --> 00:31:05,863
It's difficult for people
who aren't in these contexts
636
00:31:05,863 --> 00:31:08,449
to understand. "Well,
why wouldn't she just leave?
637
00:31:08,449 --> 00:31:10,827
Why wouldn't she just
go eat something?"
638
00:31:10,827 --> 00:31:13,162
But again,
it's been a process over time
639
00:31:13,162 --> 00:31:15,790
where this relationship is
the most important relationship
640
00:31:15,790 --> 00:31:17,625
in her life.
641
00:31:17,625 --> 00:31:20,378
She won't do anything
to risk that relationship
642
00:31:20,378 --> 00:31:22,505
and attention that she'll get
from that person.
643
00:31:22,505 --> 00:31:24,924
So it can be quite powerful.
644
00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:30,680
KANIKA:
The next day,
645
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,990
um, even though
646
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:36,853
all this had built up
for me to leave,
647
00:31:36,853 --> 00:31:42,317
and I felt strong when it came
to me getting to the airport...
648
00:31:42,317 --> 00:31:44,319
(sniffles)
649
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:45,987
...I didn't want to go.
650
00:31:45,987 --> 00:31:48,720
Um...
651
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,368
I was afraid of what I was gonna
have to face when I got home.
652
00:31:52,368 --> 00:31:55,163
Because I was so scared
653
00:31:55,163 --> 00:31:58,625
of what people were
gonna say and think,
654
00:31:58,625 --> 00:32:00,668
and how they were gonna
judge me and, like,
655
00:32:00,668 --> 00:32:03,212
"What happened?
Why are you back?"
656
00:32:06,924 --> 00:32:08,593
DR. KHADIJA MONK:
The number of times
657
00:32:08,593 --> 00:32:11,971
a domestic violence, um,
survivor leaves
658
00:32:11,971 --> 00:32:13,806
is between seven and ten times
659
00:32:13,806 --> 00:32:17,180
before they permanently leave.
660
00:32:17,180 --> 00:32:19,270
And that is because
661
00:32:19,270 --> 00:32:23,274
of the power and control
that the abuser has.
662
00:32:26,486 --> 00:32:29,197
KANIKA:
So when I got to the airport,
663
00:32:29,197 --> 00:32:31,574
it was so scary.
664
00:32:31,574 --> 00:32:34,869
I remember trying
to call him, and text,
665
00:32:34,869 --> 00:32:36,746
and I kept telling myself,
666
00:32:36,746 --> 00:32:40,166
"If he picks the phone up,
I'm going back,"
667
00:32:40,166 --> 00:32:43,753
because I wasn't ready
like I thought I was.
668
00:32:46,381 --> 00:32:48,591
He never picked it up.
669
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:01,437
MICHELLE:
I didn't get to be a mother
670
00:33:01,437 --> 00:33:03,940
all this long
not to be a detective.
671
00:33:28,715 --> 00:33:30,133
Yes, please.
672
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:41,352
MICHELLE:
The hotel manager, he was like,
673
00:33:41,352 --> 00:33:43,604
"Um, I'm-a take you
to her room."
674
00:33:43,604 --> 00:33:44,939
I was like, "Oh, my God."
675
00:33:44,939 --> 00:33:47,567
So, I was getting nervous.
676
00:33:47,567 --> 00:33:49,402
I-I can't e--
I don't have no words,
677
00:33:49,402 --> 00:33:52,290
'cause it's just overwhelming.
678
00:34:01,539 --> 00:34:03,541
(knocking on door)
679
00:34:29,817 --> 00:34:31,819
(knocking on door)
680
00:34:46,167 --> 00:34:48,169
(Michelle laughs softly)
681
00:34:50,379 --> 00:34:52,381
Baby. Oh...
682
00:35:54,318 --> 00:35:57,154
Okay. Yeah, we good. Thank you.
683
00:36:05,790 --> 00:36:06,706
Thank you.
684
00:36:06,706 --> 00:36:09,584
No, you made this
the best Mother's Day ever.
685
00:36:09,584 --> 00:36:12,712
You don't understand.
686
00:36:12,712 --> 00:36:14,630
You don't
understand.
687
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:17,300
(panting)
688
00:36:20,970 --> 00:36:23,970
(crying):
Oh, my God.
689
00:36:23,970 --> 00:36:25,600
I found her.
690
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,686
I found my baby. God is real.
691
00:36:40,531 --> 00:36:44,285
(sobbing)
692
00:36:44,285 --> 00:36:46,287
Thank you, God.
693
00:36:54,503 --> 00:36:58,490
Any man that don't
let their mother
694
00:36:58,490 --> 00:36:59,926
see their child,
the child see their mother,
695
00:36:59,926 --> 00:37:03,429
and she's still living,
you ain't got no heart.
696
00:37:03,429 --> 00:37:05,431
I saw my daughter.
697
00:37:05,431 --> 00:37:08,809
I hugged my daughter,
I kissed my daughter.
698
00:37:10,978 --> 00:37:15,149
And she said that your daughter
was in the room.
699
00:37:15,149 --> 00:37:18,778
NORCOTT:
Things that can support girls
700
00:37:18,778 --> 00:37:21,300
and women getting away
from abusive situations:
701
00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:25,868
one is time,
one is reminding the girl
702
00:37:25,868 --> 00:37:27,995
that she has her own identity,
703
00:37:27,995 --> 00:37:30,790
that she's cared for,
that she's loved.
704
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:35,336
You've seen parents put out
media blasts in different ways,
705
00:37:35,336 --> 00:37:37,713
reminding the girls
that they're loved,
706
00:37:37,713 --> 00:37:40,925
and the hope is that something
will get through, right?
707
00:37:40,925 --> 00:37:44,110
Or that there may be
a period where a girl
708
00:37:44,110 --> 00:37:48,990
will be questioning her current
situation, may reach out,
709
00:37:48,990 --> 00:37:52,610
may do a Google search
and find a YouTube video
710
00:37:52,610 --> 00:37:54,689
of a-a message from her parent.
711
00:37:58,150 --> 00:38:00,152
MICHELLE:
Hold on, hold on.
712
00:38:05,324 --> 00:38:07,326
Okay.
713
00:38:07,326 --> 00:38:09,704
Okay. Oh, she want
to talk to me.
714
00:38:09,704 --> 00:38:11,330
I got to go. Bye.
715
00:38:11,330 --> 00:38:13,416
My daughter want
to talk to me. Bye.
716
00:38:18,879 --> 00:38:20,881
Hello?
717
00:38:20,881 --> 00:38:24,510
Hey. Don't cry, don't cry.
718
00:38:24,510 --> 00:38:27,263
Don't, don't, don't cry, okay?
719
00:38:29,974 --> 00:38:31,976
(sniffles)
720
00:38:34,610 --> 00:38:37,231
PRODUCER: Feel like
she was happy to see you?
721
00:38:39,275 --> 00:38:41,902
She couldn't show
no emotion, probably.
722
00:38:41,902 --> 00:38:44,113
But on the phone,
I wish I could've
723
00:38:44,113 --> 00:38:45,948
put it on speaker.
724
00:38:45,948 --> 00:38:48,576
(crying):
Don't cry.
725
00:38:51,954 --> 00:38:55,374
Please just come home.
726
00:38:55,374 --> 00:38:57,501
She cried like...
727
00:38:57,501 --> 00:39:01,922
like a little girl
just hurting for her mommy.
728
00:39:01,922 --> 00:39:05,593
And I said, "Baby, I-- uh,
can I come back, please?"
729
00:39:05,593 --> 00:39:07,887
And she said,
"Yes, Mama, come back at 6:00."
730
00:39:16,604 --> 00:39:19,607
-Thank you.
-You're welcome.
731
00:39:30,242 --> 00:39:34,413
Our daughter met R. Kelly
at a concert in Orlando
732
00:39:34,413 --> 00:39:36,707
that, uh, we all went to,
733
00:39:36,707 --> 00:39:38,292
celebrating for
my husband's birthday.
734
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:44,673
He actually pulled her
out the crowd onstage.
735
00:39:44,673 --> 00:39:47,259
Azriel was 17.
736
00:39:47,259 --> 00:39:48,803
We had no idea that
she was going through
737
00:39:48,803 --> 00:39:51,639
some personal things,
I guess, in her life.
738
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:55,434
You know, um, that, um...
(voice breaking)
739
00:40:00,815 --> 00:40:06,570
♪ Oh, say can you see... ♪
740
00:40:06,570 --> 00:40:08,405
ALICE:
She's a remarkable singer,
741
00:40:08,405 --> 00:40:10,866
and she had been singing since
she was about five or six,
742
00:40:10,866 --> 00:40:13,869
but singing kind of,
like, professionally
743
00:40:13,869 --> 00:40:15,579
since she was about eight.
744
00:40:15,579 --> 00:40:18,124
She's been in so many
different contests,
745
00:40:18,124 --> 00:40:21,627
shows, won so many awards.
746
00:40:21,627 --> 00:40:22,711
That was her thing.
747
00:40:22,711 --> 00:40:23,921
She wanted to be
748
00:40:23,921 --> 00:40:26,257
a famous singer.
749
00:40:26,257 --> 00:40:27,716
She had a bubbly personality,
750
00:40:27,716 --> 00:40:32,304
very fun, like, full of life
young lady.
751
00:40:36,976 --> 00:40:38,185
ANGELO: When R. Kelly
picked my daughter
752
00:40:38,185 --> 00:40:39,395
to go up onstage,
753
00:40:39,395 --> 00:40:40,938
they danced,
and it was a bunch
754
00:40:40,938 --> 00:40:42,815
of young ladies he picked out.
755
00:40:42,815 --> 00:40:47,153
Everybody knew R. Kelly's
background with females.
756
00:40:47,153 --> 00:40:49,530
You know, you kind of
suppressed the thought.
757
00:40:49,530 --> 00:40:51,824
He's never been found guilty
on any of the charges, so...
758
00:40:51,824 --> 00:40:56,780
I mean, if you look at it, you
know, from a legal standpoint,
759
00:40:56,780 --> 00:40:59,748
you think, okay, maybe it wasn't
any truth or validity to it.
760
00:40:59,748 --> 00:41:01,709
Because people make accusations
on people all the time.
761
00:41:01,709 --> 00:41:03,460
It doesn't mean
it's actually true.
762
00:41:03,460 --> 00:41:06,255
I felt as though, you know,
yeah, I know his background,
763
00:41:06,255 --> 00:41:08,299
but my daughter
gonna be different.
764
00:41:08,299 --> 00:41:10,926
I'm right here with her,
her mom's right here with her.
765
00:41:10,926 --> 00:41:14,263
So, I was-- You know,
me being a-a father,
766
00:41:14,263 --> 00:41:16,390
a protective father,
767
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:17,766
I'm-I'm-I'm okay with it
'cause I don't think
768
00:41:17,766 --> 00:41:20,436
none of this could happen
to me.
769
00:41:20,436 --> 00:41:24,690
Then the way they had to exit
was through the back.
770
00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:26,525
So, during that time, we was
waiting and waiting and waiting,
771
00:41:26,525 --> 00:41:28,110
and kind of getting
a little nervous.
772
00:41:28,110 --> 00:41:31,363
Went to the corner
where the VIP was,
773
00:41:31,363 --> 00:41:33,574
and then that's where
she exited at,
774
00:41:33,574 --> 00:41:35,284
from the back side of the stage.
775
00:41:36,577 --> 00:41:39,288
They told us that he asked her
to hear her sing.
776
00:41:39,288 --> 00:41:44,430
He liked it, so he gave her
a number to contact him.
777
00:41:44,430 --> 00:41:47,463
ALICE:
Azriel was in the 11th grade.
778
00:41:47,463 --> 00:41:49,256
We didn't find out right away,
779
00:41:49,256 --> 00:41:52,384
but she was secretly, I guess,
calling him and texting him,
780
00:41:52,384 --> 00:41:54,261
and had been talking to him
on the phone.
781
00:41:54,261 --> 00:41:57,223
One day, the time that she's
supposed to be at home,
782
00:41:57,223 --> 00:41:59,558
I call, and she wasn't home yet.
783
00:41:59,558 --> 00:42:01,644
Finally, we get a phone call.
784
00:42:01,644 --> 00:42:05,731
She finally called me and said,
"Oh, I'm at a hotel in Kissimmee
785
00:42:05,731 --> 00:42:07,942
meeting with R. Kelly."
786
00:42:07,942 --> 00:42:11,278
How and why, like,
did this happen?
787
00:42:11,278 --> 00:42:14,406
Like, I was really shocked.
788
00:42:26,293 --> 00:42:29,338
ALICE:
One day, we get a phone call.
789
00:42:29,338 --> 00:42:33,509
She finally called me and said,
"Oh, I'm at a hotel in Kissimmee
790
00:42:33,509 --> 00:42:35,552
meeting with R. Kelly."
791
00:42:35,552 --> 00:42:37,972
And the first thing
I thought was,
792
00:42:37,972 --> 00:42:41,558
I have to leave work,
like, right now, immediately.
793
00:42:41,558 --> 00:42:44,311
I called my husband, and
he was at work, and he said,
794
00:42:44,311 --> 00:42:45,896
"I'm on my way, too."
He left work.
795
00:42:45,896 --> 00:42:48,565
That's a grown man,
796
00:42:48,565 --> 00:42:50,484
and I've heard
of the allegations
797
00:42:50,484 --> 00:42:52,444
in the past about him.
798
00:42:52,444 --> 00:42:55,364
So it kind of,
kind of freaked me out
799
00:42:55,364 --> 00:42:58,576
because I'm thinking she's never
done anything without us.
800
00:43:00,619 --> 00:43:02,705
Why would R. Kelly, as a man,
801
00:43:02,705 --> 00:43:05,400
want to meet our daughter
by herself?
802
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,835
Why would she even go
without one of us, you know?
803
00:43:07,835 --> 00:43:10,504
We told her from the beginning,
when she got it,
804
00:43:10,504 --> 00:43:12,965
we don't want you around him
never by yourself.
805
00:43:12,965 --> 00:43:14,550
You always got to be
with one of us.
806
00:43:16,260 --> 00:43:19,638
As I get to the hotel,
I see her car.
807
00:43:19,638 --> 00:43:22,990
And then I see his tour bus,
so I know she was at the hotel.
808
00:43:22,990 --> 00:43:25,394
So I was kind of relieved that,
no, okay, she is here.
809
00:43:28,564 --> 00:43:31,191
ALICE:
But we go inside the hotel,
810
00:43:31,191 --> 00:43:33,861
asking for R. Kelly room.
811
00:43:33,861 --> 00:43:36,196
They were saying there was
no such guest there.
812
00:43:36,196 --> 00:43:38,449
And we're like, "Okay,
we know there's a guest there
813
00:43:38,449 --> 00:43:41,535
"'cause his tour bus is outside,
my daughter car is out there,
814
00:43:41,535 --> 00:43:45,414
"and, you know, we need
our daughter to come down.
815
00:43:45,414 --> 00:43:46,999
She's a minor."
816
00:43:46,999 --> 00:43:50,919
So, they got the head
of security to come and...
817
00:43:50,919 --> 00:43:52,296
'Cause we were actually
going through the building
818
00:43:52,296 --> 00:43:53,589
and knocking on doors.
819
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:55,900
They told us
we couldn't do that.
820
00:43:55,900 --> 00:43:56,884
So, basically,
he came back and said,
821
00:43:56,884 --> 00:43:59,178
"Yes, we do have him here.
822
00:43:59,178 --> 00:44:02,639
"Um, we're trying to find out
what room, locate your daughter.
823
00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:04,683
"And could you be patient
and just let us,
824
00:44:04,683 --> 00:44:06,143
you know, find out
what was going on?"
825
00:44:06,143 --> 00:44:07,895
Because, apparently,
he had, like,
826
00:44:07,895 --> 00:44:10,397
two floors, or something,
of rooms.
827
00:44:13,250 --> 00:44:16,278
ANGELO: And she was with
R. Kelly in the room, alone.
828
00:44:16,278 --> 00:44:20,157
She was auditioning,
is the word that was used.
829
00:44:20,157 --> 00:44:21,658
She was auditioning for him.
830
00:44:21,658 --> 00:44:24,119
And so we said no, no, no, no.
831
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:26,413
That-- No.
She needs to come down,
832
00:44:26,413 --> 00:44:28,400
or he needs to come down,
or whatever.
833
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,126
Well, eventually,
Azriel came down.
834
00:44:31,126 --> 00:44:32,795
He never came down.
835
00:44:32,795 --> 00:44:36,590
She went into the whole spiel:
hey, we messin' it up.
836
00:44:36,590 --> 00:44:39,510
-"It was a real interview."
-She was upset.
837
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:41,345
"And why would you come down?
838
00:44:41,345 --> 00:44:43,347
"Y'all gonna mess up my shot.
839
00:44:43,347 --> 00:44:44,640
"You know,
this-this is my chance.
840
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,392
"This is
what we all working for.
841
00:44:46,392 --> 00:44:48,977
You know, this is my career.
Y'all supposed to back me."
842
00:44:48,977 --> 00:44:51,980
And I'm like, you know what,
maybe it was innocent.
843
00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:54,983
You know, and maybe
it was an interview,
844
00:44:54,983 --> 00:44:56,193
but she should've called us.
845
00:44:59,113 --> 00:45:01,865
I believe that R. Kelly thinks
that he's invincible.
846
00:45:01,865 --> 00:45:03,742
He was acquitted.
847
00:45:03,742 --> 00:45:06,495
What makes any of us think
that he will
848
00:45:06,495 --> 00:45:08,247
ever be touched?
849
00:45:08,247 --> 00:45:13,335
So, I think that he believes
that he has a pass for life,
850
00:45:13,335 --> 00:45:17,798
because no one's been able
to touch him at all.
851
00:45:19,425 --> 00:45:20,759
ALICE:
We're riding home.
852
00:45:20,759 --> 00:45:22,761
Azriel's basically saying how
853
00:45:22,761 --> 00:45:25,180
R. Kelly is, like,
a musical genius,
854
00:45:25,180 --> 00:45:27,933
and he could possibly help her
move into the next level.
855
00:45:27,933 --> 00:45:29,560
And she went home
and researched and...
856
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,354
She went home and researched him
and all his music.
857
00:45:32,354 --> 00:45:33,647
Saw all the people
he worked with
858
00:45:33,647 --> 00:45:35,232
and all that.
859
00:45:35,232 --> 00:45:37,776
ALICE: All the songwriters,
like, all the songs he wrote
860
00:45:37,776 --> 00:45:39,945
for, you know,
people he wrote for.
861
00:45:39,945 --> 00:45:43,699
And so she was just, like,
amped, she was excited.
862
00:45:43,699 --> 00:45:45,868
She thought this was her brea.
863
00:45:45,868 --> 00:45:48,454
We were like, "You need
to get R. Kelly on the phone."
864
00:45:48,454 --> 00:45:50,956
And so then we had
a conversation with him
865
00:45:50,956 --> 00:45:54,960
that, first, we were not happy
with what just had took place.
866
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,628
And that should not
have transpired
867
00:45:56,628 --> 00:45:58,881
without one of her parents
being present.
868
00:46:00,299 --> 00:46:01,842
ANGELO:
And I asked him, you know,
869
00:46:01,842 --> 00:46:03,677
"Is this how you conduct
business?"
870
00:46:03,677 --> 00:46:05,971
He was like, "No."
He was leaving.
871
00:46:05,971 --> 00:46:07,306
You know, he thought
it was okay.
872
00:46:07,306 --> 00:46:09,641
Azriel had assured that,
you know,
873
00:46:09,641 --> 00:46:11,518
it wouldn't be a problem
if she came over
874
00:46:11,518 --> 00:46:12,936
and did the interview now,
875
00:46:12,936 --> 00:46:15,856
and we were supposed
to meet 'em over there.
876
00:46:15,856 --> 00:46:18,817
ALICE:
We told her, like, basically,
877
00:46:18,817 --> 00:46:20,819
for you to do anything else
with him,
878
00:46:20,819 --> 00:46:22,821
she cannot be with him
by herself.
879
00:46:22,821 --> 00:46:25,365
Honestly, I didn't think
it was a good fit.
880
00:46:25,365 --> 00:46:27,159
I didn't want to have
any part of it,
881
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:29,244
but Azriel actually pressed us.
882
00:46:29,244 --> 00:46:34,833
She made her little threats
about if we didn't, you know,
883
00:46:34,833 --> 00:46:37,753
let her do this,
what she would do.
884
00:46:37,753 --> 00:46:40,589
And now, looking back at it,
885
00:46:40,589 --> 00:46:41,840
he was very manipulative, so...
886
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,675
It was-- it was a plot.
It was his--
887
00:46:43,675 --> 00:46:45,844
That's the strategy he did.
888
00:46:56,104 --> 00:46:57,898
MICHELLE: I'm about
to go meet my daughter.
889
00:46:57,898 --> 00:46:59,525
She said go at 6:00,
890
00:46:59,525 --> 00:47:02,778
but I'm going to go now
because I just need to know.
891
00:47:02,778 --> 00:47:05,531
I'm just anxious, and I just
can't wait till no 6:00.
892
00:47:05,531 --> 00:47:07,282
PRODUCER:
How you feeling right now?
893
00:47:07,282 --> 00:47:09,493
Nervous all over again,
894
00:47:09,493 --> 00:47:13,205
like five or six hours ago
when we first went to the door.
895
00:47:13,205 --> 00:47:17,709
But, um, God didn't lead me
here and then take it away.
896
00:47:17,709 --> 00:47:19,545
I came too close.
897
00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:08,100
MICHELLE:
Yes, can I have
898
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:10,679
Dominique Gardner's room,
please?
899
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:12,970
Hello?
900
00:48:12,970 --> 00:48:14,558
-Hey.
-Hey.
901
00:48:16,602 --> 00:48:19,210
I came back to the hotel,
and they said
902
00:48:19,210 --> 00:48:22,149
you called the police on me.
903
00:48:22,149 --> 00:48:23,191
I knew it wasn't you.
904
00:48:23,191 --> 00:48:25,110
So, what you want to do?
905
00:48:25,110 --> 00:48:27,946
'Cause, I mean, they said
the police came and everything.
906
00:48:27,946 --> 00:48:30,240
And they said somebody
keep calling.
907
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,367
He could be lying.
I don't know.
908
00:48:32,367 --> 00:48:34,453
But she didn't see me.
909
00:48:38,582 --> 00:48:40,167
She hung up.
910
00:48:42,419 --> 00:48:44,400
(bleep)
911
00:48:50,761 --> 00:48:52,262
I don't want to get ugly,
912
00:48:52,262 --> 00:48:54,222
but I ain't leaving
this damn hotel.
913
00:48:54,222 --> 00:48:55,557
I done came too damn close.
914
00:48:55,557 --> 00:48:57,684
I'm this far.
Are you kidding me?
915
00:49:28,924 --> 00:49:32,594
I went to the bathroom, I waited
about ten or 15 minutes.
916
00:49:52,531 --> 00:49:55,367
She came in with a book bag,
a wifebeater,
917
00:49:55,367 --> 00:49:57,619
some shorts, and some
flip-flops with some socks on
918
00:49:57,619 --> 00:49:59,579
and a backpack,
and that's all she had.
919
00:49:59,579 --> 00:50:03,458
And we ran out of there like
the master was coming for us.
920
00:50:03,458 --> 00:50:05,430
-It's okay.
-DOMINIQUE (crying): Okay.
921
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:07,870
MICHELLE: Gabe said
he loves you so much. Okay.
922
00:50:07,870 --> 00:50:08,755
DRIVER: You can ride in here,
but turn the camera off.
923
00:50:08,755 --> 00:50:10,382
MICHELLE: No, I don't--
she don't want that.
924
00:50:10,382 --> 00:50:12,259
No, tell 'em to take--
Keep that camera over there.
925
00:50:12,259 --> 00:50:13,593
DRIVER:
All right, get your bag.
926
00:50:13,593 --> 00:50:16,304
MICHELLE:
Okay. Okay, baby.
927
00:50:16,304 --> 00:50:18,306
(both crying)
928
00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:31,361
DOMINIQUE:
Okay.
929
00:50:32,446 --> 00:50:33,697
MICHELLE:
You brave, okay. Look at me.
930
00:50:33,697 --> 00:50:37,200
Look at me. You brave.
You so brave.
931
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:38,493
You're so beautiful.
932
00:50:38,493 --> 00:50:40,412
This is God,
you know that, right?
933
00:50:40,412 --> 00:50:42,205
You know that, right?
Look at me, look at me.
934
00:50:42,205 --> 00:50:44,708
You know that was God.
You was-- You didn't even think
935
00:50:44,708 --> 00:50:47,850
I was coming for you, did you?
Did you?
936
00:50:47,850 --> 00:50:49,870
(Dominique crying)
937
00:50:55,802 --> 00:50:57,846
MICHELLE: You're so happy.
I'm happy for you.
938
00:50:57,846 --> 00:50:59,723
Look, this the best...
939
00:50:59,723 --> 00:51:01,141
I know. I love you, too.
940
00:51:03,643 --> 00:51:05,687
I know, baby, I know.
941
00:51:05,687 --> 00:51:08,398
But you did good, baby.
942
00:51:17,699 --> 00:51:19,576
The best feeling.
943
00:51:19,576 --> 00:51:21,119
Like having a newborn baby,
944
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:24,122
and the doctor giving you
your baby...
945
00:51:24,122 --> 00:51:26,958
that you carried
for nine months.
946
00:51:30,504 --> 00:51:32,506
♪ ♪
947
00:51:34,466 --> 00:51:36,176
There's three drugs out there:
948
00:51:36,176 --> 00:51:40,680
crack, heroin, and R. Kelly.
949
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,641
And she was trying
to fight that drug.
950
00:51:42,641 --> 00:51:44,392
♪ ♪
951
00:51:44,392 --> 00:51:46,269
She have seen some stuff.
952
00:51:46,269 --> 00:51:47,813
She done did some stuff.
953
00:51:47,813 --> 00:51:52,150
And I believe that he have
said some things to even
954
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:54,236
maybe try to come harm
to her family,
955
00:51:54,236 --> 00:51:56,613
or all the girls' family.
956
00:52:00,742 --> 00:52:03,787
She don't understand
how many people love her.
957
00:52:03,787 --> 00:52:05,872
But his sick ass
always make them think
958
00:52:05,872 --> 00:52:08,250
that nobody loves you but him.
959
00:52:08,250 --> 00:52:10,502
And, um, I told her
960
00:52:10,502 --> 00:52:11,962
wasn't nothing gonna ever
happen to her.
961
00:52:11,962 --> 00:52:13,880
And I meant that.
962
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,190
R. Kelly, I'm gonna call
the police and tell them
963
00:52:28,190 --> 00:52:29,145
you kidnapped my sister.
964
00:52:29,145 --> 00:52:30,981
-Azriel!
-(door creaks)
965
00:52:30,981 --> 00:52:33,483
This room right here
was, like, the most
966
00:52:33,483 --> 00:52:35,819
degrading thing ever.
967
00:52:35,819 --> 00:52:37,654
This is just...
968
00:52:37,654 --> 00:52:39,990
You're not addressing
these allegations.
969
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:41,783
WOMAN:
Mute R. Kelly!
970
00:52:41,783 --> 00:52:43,118
And so we decided to protest.
971
00:52:43,118 --> 00:52:44,536
-Black girls'...
-PROTESTERS: Black girls'...
972
00:52:44,536 --> 00:52:46,329
WOMAN:
...lives matter!
973
00:52:46,329 --> 00:52:47,414
This interview is over.
974
00:52:47,414 --> 00:52:49,400
JOHN LEGEND:
Time's up for R. Kelly.
975
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:50,830
Time's up for that.
976
00:52:50,830 --> 00:52:51,835
PROTESTERS: Mute R. Kelly!
977
00:52:51,835 --> 00:52:53,503
Mute R. Kelly!
71416
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