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MichaeI Jackson's LA Residence
June 25, 2009
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(FIRE PARAMEDIC SPEAKING)
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(ALBERTO ALVAREZ SPEAKING)
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I arrived at the hospitaI
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Frank DiIeo
JACKSON'S MANAGER 1 984-89, 2009
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and the Iady came out
maybe 20 minutes Iater, a nurse.
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l stood up. She said, "Who are you?"
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"I'm Frank DiIeo, I manage MichaeI.
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"Is he okay?"
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She hesitated, and I knew.
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She Iooked me in the eye and said,
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"No, he didn't make it."
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l had them put him in a special room
and clean him up.
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And that was the one nice thing,
is I got to be aIone with him.
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And I got to kiss him on the forehead
and, you know, teII him what I feIt.
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(BALLAD PLAYING)
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When I started seeing the news cIips
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David Gest
MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND
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the day he died,
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my heart sank.
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Michael was the most exciting performer
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l had ever seen in my life.
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He was the ultimate pop superstar.
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He wanted, more than anything,
for his Iegacy to be
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he is the greatest performer of aII time.
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And that's what he became.
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(SMOKEY ROBINSON SPEAKING)
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(TITO JACKSON SPEAKING)
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(FRANK CASCIO SPEAKING)
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(KATHERINE JACKSON SPEAKING)
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(MARTHA REEVES SPEAKING)
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(BOBBY TAYLOR SPEAKING)
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(J. RANDY TARABORRELLI SPEAKING)
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(THOMAS A. MESEREAU, JR SPEAKING)
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(WHITNEY HOUSTON SPEAKING)
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(MICKEY ROONEY SPEAKING)
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I grew up in East Chicago, Indiana.
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Katherine Jackson
MICHAEL'S MOTHER
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My mother and father divorced when
I was at a young age, about six years oId.
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My mother was Baptist.
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And my sister and I sang
in the Baptist choir.
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lt made us have a love for music.
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My father used to Iisten
to the country music aII the time,
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and out of Chicago came a show,
on the radio, caIIed Suppertime Frolic.
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And then on Saturdays,
he wouId Iisten to the Grand Ole Opry
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that came out of Nashville.
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Some of the peopIe were Ernest Tubb,
that's ancient.
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Let me... Let the peopIe know how oId I am.
(LAUGHS)
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(COUNTRY SONG PLAYING)
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We had a cIub caIIed the Sub-Debs.
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We used to give teenage parties
for aII the kids around there,
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and that's where I met Joe.
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l think l was around 17 years old.
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He wouId aIways ask me for a dance
when the music was sIow. (LAUGHS)
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He seemed very kind, very sweet.
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Joseph was in a group.
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Besides me Ieaving singing with my sister,
I started singing with him.
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And we wouId sing
and harmonise together a Iot.
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Then the chiIdren came aIong,
and I kept singing.
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Rebbie Jackson
MICHAEL'S SISTER
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2300 Jackson St,
in that IittIe house.
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l was the only one born in that house.
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We had two bedrooms in our home.
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And l and my sisters, Janet and La Toya,
slept in the living room.
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Living Room
Gary, Indiana 201 0
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We had a couch that let out into a bed.
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My brothers slept in one room.
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Boy's Bedroom
Gary, Indiana 201 0
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And that room had triple bunk beds.
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And they slept on the bunk beds.
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And then my parents slept in the other room.
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Parents' Bedroom
GARY, INDIANA 201 0
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KATHERINE: l don't know how l squeezed
all of us in that little house.
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Jackson FamiIy Kitchen
Gary, Indiana 1 960's
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Having all my children when l was young
and having them so close together,
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every time I wouId get pregnant,
I was afraid to teII Joe. (CHUCKLES)
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We didn't beIieve in abortion,
so that's why we got so many chiIdren.
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The children around our neighbourhood,
especially the boys,
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they were kind of bad, some of them.
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They wouId break in peopIe's cars
and do things.
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And our children were never allowed
to go out at night or play with those kids.
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J. Randy TaraborreIIi
JACKSON'S FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER
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They weren't reaIIy sociaI
with the rest of the neighbourhood.
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They cIung to each other,
and that's how the Jacksons were raised.
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Poor? I mean, that was a way of Iife.
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We had pIenty of food to eat.
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We were like all the other kids in the area.
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DAVID GEST: Michael never thought
he was poor when he was young,
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because he did not know what poor was.
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David Gest
MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND
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He thought
everyone Iived the way his famiIy did.
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KATHERINE: We had
a rickety washing machine.
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We weren't able to buy a new one.
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Whenever it washed, it wouId creak.
You know, make noises...
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(IMITATES CREAKING NOISES)
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Something Iike that.
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And MichaeI, I guess,
was about 1 1 or 1 2 months oId.
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He was just dancing
to the rhythm of the washing machine.
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And I knew then that he had a Iot of rhythm.
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MichaeI wouId aIways do funny things,
anything for a Iaugh.
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Anything for a Iaugh.
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La Toya was always very persnickety
about the way she kept her room.
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And she had this beautifuI...
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I think it was a white satin bedspread
that she had just gotten.
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Michael took some invisible ink
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and he spread it aII over the bedspread,
squirted it aII over.
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And then he had her come in
and Iook at it. She was Iivid.
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MichaeI used to Iove teIIing me stories
about Gary, Indiana,
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especially how he would have a candy store,
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and he wouId seII candy
to aII the neighbours,
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and to his brothers.
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And he never made any money doing it,
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but he showed signs of being
an entrepreneur at a very young age.
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As kids, we had a Iot of fun.
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Tito Jackson
MICHAEL'S BROTHER
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You know, just pIaying around
in the neighbourhood.
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Playing practical jokes, throwing balloons
out the car windows at bus stops,
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singing and dancing to every song
that came on the radio.
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MichaeI wouId use
some of the money from his candy store
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to go and buy 45s,
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because in those days,
that's what kids bought, 45s.
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And if you were Iucky, you'd buy an LP.
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But he started Iistening strongIy
to James Brown
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from the time he was about five years old.
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He had a great taste for reaI R&B,
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gritty R&B, Iike WiIson Pickett,
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the DeIIs,
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great singers like Levi Stubbs.
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We sang country songs
and we sang foIk songs.
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And then
they started singing the Temptations
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when we got a television.
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My father had a guitar
that he kept Iocked in the cIoset.
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One day, he didn't Iock the cIoset
and I started pIaying that thing.
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l learnt every song on the radio
and made my brothers sing with me.
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KATHERINE: Joseph had warned them,
"Don't play my guitar, now."
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And so, Tito took it out and pIayed it,
and a string broke.
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There was no way of hiding
that he hadn't had his guitar.
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He punished him for it.
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Then he said, "Let me hear you pIay."
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And Tito pIayed for him.
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Joe just said nothing eIse to him,
"You can pIay it if you want to."
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Tito had been watching his father
play guitar,
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but he wouId come to my house
and he and I wouId pIay.
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Reynaud Jones
NEIGHBOUR - GARY, INDIANA
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And I wouId pIay a IittIe something
on my guitar, and then show him,
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and then give my guitar to him.
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And then he'd try to play it.
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And so we went back and forth like that.
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There was a guy across the street
who had one snare drum,
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and his name was MiIford Hite.
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MiIford Hite
NEIGHBOUR - GARY, INDIANA
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Reynaud said,
"MiIford, come over with your drum
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"and Iet's see if we can, you know,
start a IittIe group together."
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We played for a while
and then Jackie Jackson came over.
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Okay.
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Then after Jackie came in, Jermaine came.
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TITO: Michael and Marlon were just little kids.
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And we used to tell them to be quiet,
"Get out of here."
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We used to kick them out the room.
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And they used to beg to be in the group.
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And we just said,
"Your IittIe brother wants to be in the..."
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You know, you just said, "No, get out of here.
This is big boy stuff."
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The schooI was giving a programme
and aII the parents were invited.
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And MichaeI was singing soIo,
Climb Every Mountain.
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And so Joe's father wanted to go aIso,
so he couId hear him.
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And MichaeI starts singing.
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I Iooked around, Joe's father was crying.
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I guess he couIdn't imagine
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that a 5-year-oId kid can keep harmony
and sing that weII.
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But that's what happened.
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TITO: We heard him sing
and we were so taken by that.
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We couIdn't beIieve it
so we rushed him home,
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immediateIy took him to the room.
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And he was in the group, that fast.
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The big thing back then was winning
the RooseveIt High SchooI taIent show.
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GEST: ln the '50s and the '60s,
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taIent shows were the key
to getting a career and a record deaI.
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And that's what they dreamed of.
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InitiaIIy, MichaeI was not our Iead singer.
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It was Jermaine was our Iead singer
when we made it to the taIent show.
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They came to me and asked me
if I wouId come over
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Robert Hite
NEIGHBOUR - GARY, INDIANA
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and give them some pointers
on tightening up the group.
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I actuaIIy decided that we were going
to present the song My Girl,
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because it was a song
that I had become very fond of.
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Each person wouId get a chance
to step forward in the song,
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and showcase what they couId do.
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MiIford actuaIIy sang My Girl aIong
with them.
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Reynaud was singing My Girl.
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And aII of a sudden we said,
"Michael, sing My Girl."
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(CHUCKLING) And he hit it, perfect pitch.
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And that was it.
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That was our secret weapon, quite honestly.
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(UP-TEMPO SONG PLAYING)
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When MichaeI came in,
the crowd just stood up.
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(CHUCKLING)
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They actuaIIy broke a coupIe of chairs
and seats in the auditorium.
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It was such a surprise.
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And that's when everybody recognised
the kind of taIent that was there.
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MILFORD: We wanted to win and we won.
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lt was a really happy moment.
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It was just... 'Cause that was the thing to win,
RooseveIt's taIent show.
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We win a RooseveIt's taIent show,
it's Iike signing a contract with Motown.
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(CHUCKLES)
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ROBERT: After the talent show ended,
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Joe decided that Reynaud and MiIford
weren't going to be rehearsing with them.
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And that's what kind of spIit everything off.
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TARABORRELLI: Joseph was, in many ways,
a frustrated musician.
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He had a band caIIed the FaIcons.
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And I think to some extent
he wanted to Iive vicariousIy
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through the success, the possible success,
of his children as musicians.
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But Joseph is a very complicated person,
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and it's not easy to paint Joseph
with a wide brushstroke.
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Bobby TayIor
ARTIST, GORDY / MOTOWN RECORDS
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Joe was a tyrant to them.
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He was mean to them. He was eviI to them.
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MichaeI was very afraid of Joe,
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and a Iot of times,
he wouId stay over at my house,
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just to get away from Joe,
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because he feIt Joe had punished him
too much when he was younger.
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He had taken a strap
and spanked him a Iot of times.
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And he feIt it was too harsh.
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He was a very strong, and often,
as they wouId teII it, vioIent discipIinarian.
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MichaeI, Janet and Randy,
and a IittIe bit of MarIon,
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I think they got easy street,
'cause they were the babies.
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The ones who really got the spankings
in my family, if l remember correctly,
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and l'm pretty sure l do,
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was myself, Jermaine and Jackie,
the older guys.
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l'm sort of like five years older than Michael.
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So he was more of one of the little guys
that didn't get it the way the big guys did.
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I think in Iater Iife,
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he began to respect Joe more,
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because he saw
that he wanted his kids to be somebody.
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RONALD JACKSON:
My uncle worked in the steel mill.
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He never wanted his kids to do what he did.
He wanted them to be better.
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RonaId & Keith Jackson
JACKSON'S FIRST COUSINS
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I seen the steeI miII, and I'm gonna teII you...
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-It's Iike working for Satan...
-Do not work there...
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...because it's 2,000 degrees out there,
and it's very dangerous.
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So, his vision, l respect.
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He wanted them to have a better opportunity,
and to do something they Iove doing.
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TAYLOR: l think Joe did the right thing
because none of his kids went to prison.
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None of his kids were out
on the street using dope.
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TITO: l think l was raised right.
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I think my father did a briIIiant job
to take us from Gary, Indiana,
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which is a very poverty-stricken town,
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and not too many peopIe get out of there
and make something of themseIves,
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and he had a dream, and he stuck with it.
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And he knew how to get there
and he got us there.
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It's okay to have fun sometimes
but you have to prepare yourseIf,
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because your aduIthood
is gonna be a Iot Ionger than your chiIdhood.
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And if you didn't prepare for it,
you're gonna be on The Late Show.
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So I think my father prepared his sons
for the future, to be men.
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We were men at a very young age.
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TARABORRELLI: l remember asking Michael,
"Why do you call him Joseph?"
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And it was reaIIy cIear,
the way MichaeI expIained it,
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that they thought of him as Joseph.
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They didn't really think of him as their father,
they thought of him as Joseph.
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And l thought that was very sad.
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That had to hurt even Joseph,
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to know that his chiIdren
feIt that way about him,
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but that was the way he designed it.
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Katherine Jackson
MICHAEL'S MOTHER
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The worId now taIks
about how mean and eviI he is.
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He's not that way.
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He's just a firm person.
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MichaeI's very cIose to my mother,
and she was Iike a comfort to him, I think.
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KATHERINE: Michael and l had
a very special bond.
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Michael used to always tell me
that he was so much like me.
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And then I used to teII him, I said,
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"I can see myseIf in you,
but I don't want you to be Iike me,"
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because I thought I was too easy-going,
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trust people too much,
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and that's exactly how Michael is.
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There was a mysticaI connection
that made them aImost, at times, one.
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MichaeI and Katherine, two peas in a pod.
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He was cIoser to no one eIse except for her.
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TARABORRELLI: Katherine Jackson
was golden where Michael was concerned,
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throughout his entire lifetime.
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She aIways cared.
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When he went through stages of acne,
she knew how to handIe him.
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TARABORRELLI: lt was almost
as if they were
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aligned with each other against the world.
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And he couId aIways go to Katherine
for anything.
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And she wouId be there for him, 1 00%.
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They had been working on the music
for a Iong time,
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and they wanted to be signed to a IabeI.
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TITO: We would go to school in the morning.
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Then after schooI,
we'd get home about 3:00, 3:30.
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And my father'd have aII the mics set up
and amps on standby.
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And we had enough time
to just drop our books,
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and we would practise, like, four hours,
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until about 7:00 or 8:00.
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And after that,
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we would get ready
to go to Chicago or somewhere,
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and go do an engagement.
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We would play for 45 minutes,
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and take 1 5 minutes off
and do our homework.
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By the time we was through with our day,
it was about 2:30 in the morning.
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And we'd drive back from Chicago to Gary,
get home about 3:00, 4:00 in the morning,
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then go to schooI the next day.
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And that's what Iife was for us
for many years, a Iot of work.
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MICHAEL: We would perform all night,
tell you the truth, every day.
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Voice of MichaeI Jackson
Interview courtesy of J. Randy TaraborreIIi
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We would be dancing, doing James Brown,
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and a lot of people throwing money on stage,
and standing ovations.
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And then, soon as we drove home,
we'd get up and go to school.
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And we couldn't keep our pants up
'cause we had so much money in 'em.
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l mean, change just broke 'em.
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And there was this man's house,
who used to sell candy,
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we used to stop there and just load up,
eat candy for days.
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They had a studio at home
and they had these big mirrors and stuff.
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And they wouId say, "Do it again,
do it again, do it again, do it again."
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And next thing you know,
seven, eight, nine hours go by,
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but they were looking for perfection.
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Ronnie Rancifer
KEYBOARDIST, 'JACKSON 5' 1 967-77
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They were focused,
that's what I Iiked about them.
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They were serious about doing it,
and it was about perfection.
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Johnny Jackson and Ronnie Rancifer
were part of the earIy Jackson 5.
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They were not named members
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but they were a part of the group,
and an integral part of the group.
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Back then, we didn't have
the greatest instruments in the worId.
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Other big name groups,
they wouId have big PAs and aII that.
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Jacksons didn't have that,
but what they had was souI.
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See... And souI goes a Iong way.
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You can have $1 0 jiIIion
worth of equipment, baby,
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but if you ain't got no souI,
you might as weII stay home. (CHUCKLES)
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In 1 967 the Jackson 5 signed for IocaI
record IabeI, SteeItown Records.
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They reIeased two songs on the IabeI;
'Big Boy'
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and 'We Don't Have To Be Over 21
(To FaII In Love).
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Neither appeared on any BiIIboard Chart.
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One day, I was setting up a VIP section
for Bobby TayIor,
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aII of a sudden, I hear the peopIe cIapping
and hoIIering...
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WeIdon Arthur McDougaI III - A & R
EXECUTIVE, MOTOWN RECORDS 1 969-80
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And so I come out of the office and I Iook
and there was the Jackson 5.
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Well, they are pretty good.
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Joe Jackson said,
"Listen, man, we wanna be on Motown."
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And I said,
"Man, I can't get nobody on the IabeI."
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And he said, "WeII, do you know anybody
you couId introduce me to at Motown?"
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I was so excited about them,
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I toId Bobby TayIor that Thursday
about them.
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He said, "Okay, I'II Iook at 'em."
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I met them in 1 968, at the RegaI Theater.
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l was headlining the show.
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They were the opening act,
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and l was introduced to them
by the promoter.
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Berry Gordy, President of Motown,
gave him permission
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to produce any act that he wanted
and they wouId Iisten to it.
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He, at that time, had a group
caIIed Bobby TayIor and the Vancouvers.
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They had records on the radio
that were going reaIIy weII and stuff.
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(R&B SONG PLAYING)
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I Iiked the way he sang, 'cause he was
a star vocaIist in his own right.
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He knew how to do it, when to do it,
why to do it, and why not to do it.
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I saw this IittIe kid spinning and stuff,
I said, "Dang.
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00:23:44,215 --> 00:23:48,384
"Send him upstairs when they finish,
I want to taIk to this kid."
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00:23:49,345 --> 00:23:52,180
Never thought
about recording him at that time.
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00:23:52,348 --> 00:23:55,183
I said, "This IittIe guy,
I wanna see what's happening."
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He was a kid that would worry you, bug you,
until you had to do something with him.
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Instead of him going back
to Gary, Indiana, from Chicago
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every night, he'd go and ask Joseph
if he couId stay with me,
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and spend a night at the hoteI with me.
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00:24:15,579 --> 00:24:18,832
So he stayed in my face for 10 straight days,
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from the time
that we woke up in the morning,
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and l'd take and feed this kid.
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00:24:24,171 --> 00:24:29,092
It was pure. This kid wanted what he got.
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He was a workahoIic.
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Bobby TayIor worked hard.
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I mean, I can't say it enough.
I want peopIe to know.
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He worked harder on them
than he did with the Vancouvers.
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My motivation was MichaeI.
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I just figured this kid here,
he's an aduIt in kid's cIothing.
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That was my onIy motivation.
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Everybody around here knew
that MichaeI Jackson was "it."
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The worId just didn't know it.
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00:25:01,917 --> 00:25:03,168
Bobby was pushing.
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When I say he was pushing,
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00:25:04,879 --> 00:25:09,465
the next time I seen Bobby
or I seen the group,
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he had caIIed me and said
he's working at the ApoIIo.
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And come over to the ApoIIo,
he got a surprise for me.
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And when l went to the Apollo,
the Jackson 5 was on the bill.
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ApoIIo Theater
HarIem, New York City
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The ApoIIo was known
as the greatest R&B showroom in the worId,
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because many aIbums
had been made from there,
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James Brown, Live at the Apollo.
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Jackie Wilson played the Apollo.
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00:25:35,284 --> 00:25:37,744
Gladys Knight and the Pips
played the Apollo.
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Smokey Robinson and the Miracles.
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Everybody who pIayed the ApoIIo was a star.
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And everybody
who was underneath them on a biII
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was trying to gain that national fame.
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And if you make it there,
you're assured of stardom
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because peopIe knew
that you've got something very speciaI.
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lt was a very tough audience.
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00:26:01,310 --> 00:26:04,938
And if they did not Iike you,
and you were not a good Iive act,
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even though you may have a hit record,
they'd boo you off the stage.
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00:26:10,152 --> 00:26:12,737
The Jackson 5 tore that pIace up.
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00:26:12,821 --> 00:26:17,325
I mean, I've never seen an act
that nobody never heard of,
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didn't have a record,
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and, I mean,
the peopIe kept hoIIering, "Jackson 5!"
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00:26:22,373 --> 00:26:27,835
On the same show was the 5 Stairsteps,
and they were young kids, too,
401
00:26:28,003 --> 00:26:31,839
or they were about the same age
as the Jackson 5.
402
00:26:32,216 --> 00:26:34,634
And they were compIaining,
403
00:26:34,843 --> 00:26:38,054
they wanted to get the Jackson 5
off of the show
404
00:26:38,180 --> 00:26:41,933
because every time they went on,
people just hollered,
405
00:26:42,017 --> 00:26:44,894
"Jackson 5! Jackson 5! Jackson 5!"
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00:26:45,854 --> 00:26:48,690
And I said,
"Wow! I ain't never seen nothing Iike this."
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Martha Reeves
ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS
408
00:26:53,988 --> 00:26:57,699
My very first time that I saw MichaeI Jackson
was at the ApoIIo Theater in New York.
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00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,252
He and his famiIy were a seIf-contained act,
which was very unusuaI.
410
00:27:09,670 --> 00:27:13,006
And yet there was a guitarist in the group
and a bassist in the group,
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00:27:13,090 --> 00:27:15,174
and keyboard and drums.
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00:27:22,433 --> 00:27:23,933
They'd won a contest.
413
00:27:24,059 --> 00:27:27,437
They'd won
at the ApoIIo Theater Amateur Night,
414
00:27:27,563 --> 00:27:31,899
and their prize was to open the show
for the great James Brown.
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00:27:32,026 --> 00:27:34,736
WeII, he broke out into this James Brown,
I Got the FeeIin',
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and doing his little toes and dancing
and looking like James,
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00:27:38,532 --> 00:27:40,241
if James were a wind-up toy.
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00:27:40,534 --> 00:27:42,410
And it was amazing.
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00:27:42,578 --> 00:27:43,661
Rebbie Jackson
MICHAEL'S SISTER
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He wouId perform and do the moves
and routine that everyone eIse was doing.
421
00:27:46,582 --> 00:27:50,543
He used to do Fred Astaire
and James Cagney.
422
00:27:50,627 --> 00:27:54,297
Then aII of a sudden, he wouId add
a IittIe bit of something in there, different.
423
00:27:54,423 --> 00:27:56,883
And that was him feeling what he was doing.
424
00:27:57,634 --> 00:28:00,678
He excited me. I saw aII of this in him.
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00:28:00,763 --> 00:28:03,097
I saw things that he couId do that I couIdn't.
426
00:28:04,266 --> 00:28:07,060
He had the makings of a great singer.
427
00:28:07,227 --> 00:28:10,563
MichaeI had universaI appeaI
back when he was reaI young.
428
00:28:10,647 --> 00:28:14,025
I mean, we weren't reaIIy into marketing
or anything Iike that,
429
00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:15,860
but it was aIready there.
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00:28:15,944 --> 00:28:18,738
I think the word for it,
the phraseoIogy, wouId be,
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00:28:18,822 --> 00:28:23,409
"A diamond in the rough,"
without very many edges to buff off.
432
00:28:28,332 --> 00:28:30,166
With the rest of the brothers, now,
433
00:28:30,584 --> 00:28:32,085
Jermaine stuttered.
434
00:28:32,336 --> 00:28:34,837
And he always thought
that if he stuttered when he taIked,
435
00:28:34,963 --> 00:28:36,255
that he would do it when he sang.
436
00:28:37,091 --> 00:28:39,967
So I had to push Jermaine more than I had
to push anyone eIse.
437
00:28:40,135 --> 00:28:44,305
And that's aII I used,
Jermaine, MichaeI and Jackie.
438
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,183
I did not use MarIon, did not use Tito.
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00:28:47,476 --> 00:28:49,435
They couIdn't sing, right?
440
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,146
And I toId them. "Learn. Listen and Iearn."
441
00:28:52,314 --> 00:28:55,316
The complete group
was not just those five boys.
442
00:28:55,818 --> 00:28:58,486
The compIete group
had two other ones with them,
443
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one was Johnny Jackson, the drummer,
444
00:29:00,823 --> 00:29:03,366
one was Ronnie Rancifer, the pianist,
445
00:29:03,951 --> 00:29:06,953
which made the music for the group.
446
00:29:07,037 --> 00:29:09,622
Without them,
there wouIdn't have been this Jackson 5.
447
00:29:11,792 --> 00:29:14,836
Every producer
has their own method to the madness,
448
00:29:14,962 --> 00:29:17,004
and Bobby's was pretty cooI.
449
00:29:17,131 --> 00:29:19,924
He had the oId-schooI roughness on that,
you know.
450
00:29:20,008 --> 00:29:22,051
You have to have
a certain kind of roughness,
451
00:29:22,177 --> 00:29:23,553
a certain kind of discipIine.
452
00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:28,474
He feIt MichaeI had something so speciaI,
and he toId that to him.
453
00:29:29,685 --> 00:29:30,726
But he said,
454
00:29:30,853 --> 00:29:35,815
"Do not think
just me teIIing you makes it happen.
455
00:29:36,567 --> 00:29:38,526
"It does not.
456
00:29:38,652 --> 00:29:43,656
"You've gotta work and continue to work
for what you achieve.
457
00:29:43,740 --> 00:29:45,533
"It wiII never be easy."
458
00:29:45,868 --> 00:29:48,995
He wasn't aIways patient.
459
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:52,457
He wasn't aIways saying things
that you wanna hear,
460
00:29:52,541 --> 00:29:54,208
or saying it right.
461
00:29:54,334 --> 00:29:59,881
But what he said and what he was doing
was just trying to make them stars.
462
00:30:00,507 --> 00:30:04,927
Our Iast day at the RegaI Theater
463
00:30:05,053 --> 00:30:07,305
is when I went to Joe, I said,
464
00:30:07,389 --> 00:30:10,725
"Say now, why don't you Iet me
put these kids at Motown?"
465
00:30:13,395 --> 00:30:16,898
And Joe said those words to me,
"Man, I thought you'd never ask."
466
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:23,112
We were in New York City.
467
00:30:23,238 --> 00:30:24,238
Tito Jackson
MICHAEL'S BROTHER
468
00:30:24,364 --> 00:30:27,825
And we had just finished
performing with James Brown.
469
00:30:27,910 --> 00:30:29,577
We were opening up for him.
470
00:30:30,746 --> 00:30:33,581
Bobby TayIor had been begging Berry
to check us out.
471
00:30:34,082 --> 00:30:35,291
Berry Gordy - FOUNDER,
MOTOWN RECORD CORPORATION
472
00:30:35,417 --> 00:30:38,211
And he wouldn't do it
because he had another kid on his label.
473
00:30:38,754 --> 00:30:43,382
And he was catching a Iot of fIak
from the state
474
00:30:43,467 --> 00:30:47,136
about working this kid who's underage.
475
00:30:47,262 --> 00:30:51,849
Berry wouId say, "I never wanna have
anything to do with kids in this business.
476
00:30:51,934 --> 00:30:52,975
"It's too much probIems.
477
00:30:53,101 --> 00:30:56,896
"I can't even handIe one.
What am I gonna do with five?"
478
00:30:56,980 --> 00:30:59,232
And the one kid was IittIe Stevie Wonder.
479
00:31:01,443 --> 00:31:03,986
I drove MichaeI, MarIon,
480
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,241
Tommy Chong, who was in my band,
from Cheech and Chong,
481
00:31:08,325 --> 00:31:10,743
from Chicago to Detroit.
482
00:31:10,827 --> 00:31:13,454
l take Michael directly to Motown.
483
00:31:13,956 --> 00:31:17,291
So I said, "Berry, I've got these kids here
484
00:31:17,417 --> 00:31:20,294
"and they're number one coming
out of the bIock."
485
00:31:20,546 --> 00:31:22,922
I said, "The Iead singer's eight.
486
00:31:23,465 --> 00:31:25,675
"He can out-dance anybody you ever saw.
487
00:31:25,801 --> 00:31:27,343
"Jackie WiIson, James Brown.
488
00:31:27,469 --> 00:31:32,557
"If you cIose your eyes and Iisten to him
after I finish teaching him,
489
00:31:32,641 --> 00:31:34,308
"the best singer you ever heard in your Iife."
490
00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:40,648
It was not easy to get a chiIdren's group
signed to Motown.
491
00:31:41,149 --> 00:31:45,444
And Bobby TayIor knew
that when he caIIed Berry
492
00:31:45,779 --> 00:31:49,615
and said, "I've got something so speciaI,
you gotta see it,"
493
00:31:50,867 --> 00:31:53,327
that Berry wouId jump once he did.
494
00:31:53,495 --> 00:31:58,165
Because he wouId not have taken them
to Berry to waste his time.
495
00:31:59,501 --> 00:32:05,840
TAYLOR: The next morning, Berry Gordy
called me from Los Angeles, and he says,
496
00:32:05,966 --> 00:32:08,009
"l want you to bring them out here."
497
00:32:10,304 --> 00:32:11,804
That's how they got to Motown.
498
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,313
Going to CaIifornia,
the happiest day of my Iife.
499
00:32:20,397 --> 00:32:21,480
Katherine Jackson
MICHAEL'S MOTHER
500
00:32:24,192 --> 00:32:28,195
Joseph had promised me that one day
we wouId go to CaIifornia.
501
00:32:29,531 --> 00:32:32,116
I'd teII him, "No,"
I said, "Your promise came true,
502
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,994
"but you didn't bring me there,
the chiIdren did." (CHUCKLES)
503
00:32:39,207 --> 00:32:42,001
Berry Gordy was having a party
for Diana Ross.
504
00:32:42,085 --> 00:32:43,628
It was her birthday.
505
00:32:43,712 --> 00:32:47,381
So he asked us to perform
at this party for Diana,
506
00:32:48,050 --> 00:32:49,759
and of course we did.
507
00:32:49,885 --> 00:32:54,764
And at that party was, like, the Temptations,
Smokey, the Vandellas,
508
00:32:54,890 --> 00:32:58,100
the Supremes, Four Tops.
509
00:32:58,226 --> 00:33:01,312
And here we are performing
their songs to them.
510
00:33:01,396 --> 00:33:02,730
So we was quite nervous.
511
00:33:03,607 --> 00:33:04,690
Dionne Warwick
SINGER
512
00:33:04,775 --> 00:33:08,569
I first met MichaeI, he was,
I think he was 1 0 years oId.
513
00:33:08,695 --> 00:33:10,696
He was flown out with his brothers
514
00:33:10,781 --> 00:33:13,366
to sing for Berry Gordy, Jr.
515
00:33:14,076 --> 00:33:17,578
Berry had invited a bunch of people
up to his home.
516
00:33:17,704 --> 00:33:22,083
This IittIe bitty thing came in
and he sat down next to me
517
00:33:22,918 --> 00:33:25,586
and he Iooked at me and he says,
"And who are you?"
518
00:33:25,712 --> 00:33:28,422
l said, "l'm Dionne Warwick. Who are you?"
519
00:33:29,091 --> 00:33:30,716
"l'm Michael Jackson."
520
00:33:30,801 --> 00:33:35,221
I said, "Nice to know you, MichaeI Jackson.
And what do you do, MichaeI Jackson?"
521
00:33:35,764 --> 00:33:38,057
He says, "Oh, I sing."
522
00:33:38,892 --> 00:33:42,436
I said, "You sing? Can you sing?"
523
00:33:42,896 --> 00:33:45,106
He said, "Yes, I can sing."
524
00:33:45,649 --> 00:33:49,235
I mean, IittIe feisty, beautifuI young boy.
525
00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:52,571
I said, "WeII, that's what we're here for.
We're gonna see if you can sing."
526
00:33:52,656 --> 00:33:54,281
(UP-TEMPO SONG PLAYING)
527
00:34:00,622 --> 00:34:03,541
Watching them perform was excitement.
528
00:34:03,625 --> 00:34:04,667
Brenda HoIIoway
ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS
529
00:34:04,793 --> 00:34:06,961
Everyone in the group was an individuaI.
530
00:34:10,006 --> 00:34:13,134
And I feeI that every one of them
couId have gone on their own.
531
00:34:13,260 --> 00:34:14,802
But MichaeI was the star.
532
00:34:21,852 --> 00:34:26,230
SMOKEY ROBINSON: They came in
(CHUCKLES) and they sang a few songs.
533
00:34:26,314 --> 00:34:28,399
They sang a coupIe songs
by James Brown, you know,
534
00:34:28,483 --> 00:34:29,525
Smokey Robinson
ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS
535
00:34:29,651 --> 00:34:35,156
and MichaeI did the James Brown dances,
and he reaIIy did them.
536
00:34:35,282 --> 00:34:39,034
He's 1 0 years oId and he was dancing
Iike he was about 30.
537
00:34:39,161 --> 00:34:43,831
How in the worId couId this IittIe boy,
and he was a kid,
538
00:34:43,957 --> 00:34:45,291
be so taIented?
539
00:34:45,375 --> 00:34:47,710
That's what everybody went away
taIking about.
540
00:34:52,716 --> 00:34:56,093
I think aII of us
Motown artists were astonished
541
00:34:56,178 --> 00:34:57,219
Kim Weston
ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS
542
00:34:57,345 --> 00:35:01,140
because here's a kid that, you know,
seemed to have no fear.
543
00:35:01,224 --> 00:35:07,354
You know, when the music hit, he was ready,
you know, or ready before the music hit.
544
00:35:07,689 --> 00:35:09,565
He said,
"I want you to know something, too."
545
00:35:09,691 --> 00:35:10,941
I said, "What's that?"
546
00:35:11,026 --> 00:35:14,403
"You sang a song about my name, MichaeI."
547
00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:18,824
I said, "Yeah.
You think that song was for you?"
548
00:35:20,368 --> 00:35:22,161
He said, "Wasn't it?"
549
00:35:22,245 --> 00:35:23,537
(LAUGHS)
550
00:35:24,498 --> 00:35:28,083
He was an adorable child.
lt was a wonderful meeting.
551
00:35:28,835 --> 00:35:31,045
They Ioved it. They enjoyed it.
552
00:35:31,421 --> 00:35:33,214
That was our audition.
553
00:35:34,424 --> 00:35:37,593
So l'm very proud of that moment in our life.
554
00:35:42,224 --> 00:35:44,183
There was another worId about to open
555
00:35:44,267 --> 00:35:45,309
David Gest
MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND
556
00:35:45,393 --> 00:35:47,686
and he was ready to deIve into it.
557
00:35:47,896 --> 00:35:49,146
Marvin Gaye
558
00:35:49,231 --> 00:35:50,356
Junior WaIker
559
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,149
When you went to Motown, it was...
Everyone was there.
560
00:35:52,234 --> 00:35:53,651
The IsIey Brothers
561
00:35:53,735 --> 00:35:54,777
Kim Weston
562
00:35:54,903 --> 00:35:55,986
Edwin Starr
563
00:35:56,071 --> 00:35:57,112
Jimmy Ruffin
564
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,741
It was Iike DisneyIand. You saw Smokey,
you saw Mary, you saw Diana Ross.
565
00:36:00,867 --> 00:36:04,745
But everybody was trying
to perfect their artistry.
566
00:36:04,871 --> 00:36:07,206
The feeIing at Motown was it was a famiIy,
a musicaI famiIy.
567
00:36:07,290 --> 00:36:08,541
VaIerie Simpson & NickoIas Ashford
568
00:36:08,625 --> 00:36:09,792
SINGERS / SONGWRITERS,
'ASHFORD & SIMPSON'
569
00:36:09,918 --> 00:36:13,587
And we aII were a part of exceIIence
and greatness, musicaI greatness.
570
00:36:13,713 --> 00:36:16,757
And we so were fans of each other's work,
571
00:36:16,883 --> 00:36:20,094
so that when we saw each other,
it was just instant love.
572
00:36:20,220 --> 00:36:23,973
We got, "We knew what you were doing.
I heard what you're working on."
573
00:36:24,099 --> 00:36:26,725
And it just... We kept pushing each other.
574
00:36:26,935 --> 00:36:29,061
When you start working
with the best in the business
575
00:36:29,145 --> 00:36:30,563
RusseII Thompkins, Jr.
LEAD SINGER, 'THE STYLISTICS'
576
00:36:30,647 --> 00:36:32,356
that are teaching you how to dance,
how to pIay this
577
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,776
and teaching you how to sing this,
putting you at the piano,
578
00:36:35,902 --> 00:36:40,322
vocaI coaches, dancing coaches,
peopIe who teach you how to taIk.
579
00:36:40,448 --> 00:36:43,576
When you work with that from the time
that you're a young man,
580
00:36:43,743 --> 00:36:46,495
you grow up with so much influence.
581
00:36:46,663 --> 00:36:49,290
So it wasn't just the fact
that Michael Jackson
582
00:36:49,416 --> 00:36:53,294
was born with so much great taIent.
He aIways had it around him.
583
00:36:58,592 --> 00:37:00,593
MichaeI Jackson studied aII the artists,
aII the great artists.
584
00:37:00,677 --> 00:37:01,760
Jimmy Ruffin
ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS
585
00:37:04,180 --> 00:37:06,849
He studied me, he studied Marvin Gaye,
he studied Stevie Wonder.
586
00:37:06,975 --> 00:37:08,267
He studied everybody.
587
00:37:08,351 --> 00:37:13,022
We were the best in the country at the time.
588
00:37:18,445 --> 00:37:21,530
The first time I saw them perform
was in San Francisco
589
00:37:21,656 --> 00:37:23,449
and I was Iike, "Wow."
590
00:37:23,533 --> 00:37:25,868
It was Iike, "There's nobody that good."
591
00:37:31,541 --> 00:37:34,835
Berry Gordy was Iike,
"Keep your cards cIose to your chest.
592
00:37:35,295 --> 00:37:37,463
"Don't Iet peopIe know what you're thinking.
593
00:37:38,173 --> 00:37:41,467
"Don't Iet the artists know
how much peopIe Iike 'em."
594
00:37:42,010 --> 00:37:43,719
He was a shrewd guy.
595
00:37:46,514 --> 00:37:51,477
Berry Iooked after every aspect
of an artist's career.
596
00:37:51,561 --> 00:37:55,940
Now, some may compIain today
that they didn't get paid enough royaIties
597
00:37:56,024 --> 00:37:59,818
and they never received
a Iot of their pubIishing.
598
00:37:59,903 --> 00:38:01,487
But l'll tell you something.
599
00:38:02,030 --> 00:38:05,741
Berry Gordy made these artists.
600
00:38:06,201 --> 00:38:07,910
Everybody, I think,
had different reIationships with Berry.
601
00:38:08,036 --> 00:38:09,036
AbduI 'Duke' Fakir
ARTIST, 'THE FOUR TOPS'
602
00:38:09,162 --> 00:38:11,997
We had a great reIationship with Berry
and we stiII do.
603
00:38:12,082 --> 00:38:16,210
He gave us... He promised us things
that he made come true,
604
00:38:16,336 --> 00:38:21,173
that he couIdn't put in the contract.
But he promised them and kept his word.
605
00:38:21,257 --> 00:38:27,513
What he saw in the Jackson 5
was a chiIdren's group that couId transcend
606
00:38:28,014 --> 00:38:32,059
every age group.
And he nurtured their taIents.
607
00:38:32,727 --> 00:38:34,603
He knew he had something speciaI.
608
00:38:35,063 --> 00:38:38,065
I made him sit in whiIe I was doing the music
609
00:38:38,191 --> 00:38:39,233
Bobby TayIor
ARTIST, GORDY / MOTOWN RECORDS
610
00:38:39,859 --> 00:38:41,610
that they had to work with.
611
00:38:41,945 --> 00:38:46,281
They were with me 20 hours a day.
612
00:38:46,408 --> 00:38:49,284
Being attentive, if l saw somebody sleeping,
613
00:38:49,411 --> 00:38:51,537
then l would send them back to the house
614
00:38:51,621 --> 00:38:53,789
and teII them,
"I don't wanna see you for a week."
615
00:38:53,915 --> 00:38:56,417
They worked hard, they reaIIy worked hard.
616
00:38:57,919 --> 00:39:02,881
MichaeI now wouId stay
over at Diana Ross's house and rehearse.
617
00:39:03,091 --> 00:39:05,801
He really liked Diana Ross
and she liked him.
618
00:39:06,261 --> 00:39:08,595
HOLLOWAY: Diana Ross was
showing him off.
619
00:39:08,763 --> 00:39:11,724
She just Iike...
She was the one that discovered him
620
00:39:11,808 --> 00:39:16,895
and Iater on I found out that Bobby TayIor
actuaIIy discovered him.
621
00:39:18,606 --> 00:39:19,815
TITO: l think we were just kids.
622
00:39:19,941 --> 00:39:23,944
We didn't reaIise
aII the great accompIishments
623
00:39:24,070 --> 00:39:25,779
that we had achieved.
624
00:39:25,905 --> 00:39:31,201
Seeing HoIIywood and pIaying
with Diana Ross. I mean, we were in heaven.
625
00:39:31,286 --> 00:39:34,955
Just those things aIone was priceIess to us.
626
00:39:35,123 --> 00:39:37,624
MichaeI toId me when he came to LA,
627
00:39:37,751 --> 00:39:40,627
it was Iike his whoIe worId had changed.
628
00:39:41,129 --> 00:39:46,467
He couId buy as much candy as he wanted
because nobody wouId say no to him.
629
00:39:46,968 --> 00:39:49,136
(R&B SONG PLAYING)
630
00:39:53,475 --> 00:39:56,060
MichaeI and I went to see the Four Tops,
631
00:39:56,144 --> 00:40:01,940
it was around 1 971 or '72.
632
00:40:06,112 --> 00:40:08,197
MichaeI and David just came
to the dressing room
633
00:40:08,323 --> 00:40:10,699
and in the dressing room
was aIso Stevie Wonder.
634
00:40:11,493 --> 00:40:15,454
GEST: l said to Levi Stubbs,
"You're brilliant. l love your voice."
635
00:40:15,538 --> 00:40:19,458
And MichaeI Iooked at him and said,
"I Iearned everything from you."
636
00:40:19,542 --> 00:40:21,835
And he was cut off. Stevie said, "What?"
637
00:40:22,045 --> 00:40:24,922
And he grabbed Michael
and flung him up against the wall...
638
00:40:25,006 --> 00:40:27,549
And said,
"You Iearned everything from who?"
639
00:40:27,675 --> 00:40:29,718
And he goes, "You, Stevie, you."
640
00:40:29,844 --> 00:40:32,805
(LAUGHS) It was so funny. It was so funny.
641
00:40:33,306 --> 00:40:35,182
Levi and I, we never forgot that.
642
00:40:37,143 --> 00:40:40,395
Bobby TayIor and I wouId take
MichaeI to the goIf course with us.
643
00:40:40,522 --> 00:40:43,774
He had never even picked up
a golf club in his life.
644
00:40:43,858 --> 00:40:46,527
Yet, he was our greatest golf critic.
645
00:40:46,986 --> 00:40:49,446
"WeII, Smokey, you know,
you hit your baII over in the woods
646
00:40:49,531 --> 00:40:52,699
"because you didn't have your foot
standing right here..."
647
00:40:53,326 --> 00:40:59,373
"Bobby, see, your cIub was not, you know..."
He's gonna teII us why we had a bad shot.
648
00:40:59,707 --> 00:41:02,417
But it was fun. He was a great, fun kid.
649
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,549
RANCIFER: The first time l heard
I Want You Back in the studio,
650
00:41:08,675 --> 00:41:13,011
I noticed a different kind of brightness
to the movement,
651
00:41:13,096 --> 00:41:14,304
Ronnie Rancifer
KEYBOARDIST, 'JACKSON 5' 1 967-77
652
00:41:14,389 --> 00:41:16,765
other than normaI Motown brightness.
653
00:41:17,433 --> 00:41:19,518
It was going in a different direction,
654
00:41:19,602 --> 00:41:23,230
which was good
because Motown's sound was diversified.
655
00:41:23,439 --> 00:41:27,526
GEST: When you listened to I Want You Back,
you knew Berry had a knack to get
656
00:41:27,610 --> 00:41:31,572
the best commerciaI record out of these kids
657
00:41:31,698 --> 00:41:33,949
and make them a worIdwide success.
658
00:41:34,242 --> 00:41:35,617
(SINGING)
659
00:41:41,708 --> 00:41:47,212
When my sister and my mom first heard
our first hit record, l Want You Back,
660
00:41:47,297 --> 00:41:50,424
my father had sent it over,
they didn't care for it.
661
00:41:50,633 --> 00:41:52,342
I didn't Iike it at aII.
662
00:41:52,427 --> 00:41:55,012
Because the songs that the chiIdren sang
663
00:41:55,096 --> 00:41:58,765
was more Iike the, I shouId say, souI music.
664
00:41:59,434 --> 00:42:02,394
And to me, I Want You Back
didn't sound that way.
665
00:42:02,979 --> 00:42:06,648
AII the songs that was out then
sound so different,
666
00:42:06,774 --> 00:42:09,401
so I guess Berry wanted
to bring out a different styIe.
667
00:42:09,485 --> 00:42:13,572
LittIe did they know it was a very big song,
number one.
668
00:42:14,073 --> 00:42:15,449
(SINGING)
669
00:42:24,334 --> 00:42:26,460
It was just an unbeIievabIe track.
670
00:42:26,586 --> 00:42:30,172
It just came out of the radio Iike Iightning.
671
00:42:30,298 --> 00:42:34,760
Oh, them Jackson 5, that is a kickin' group.
672
00:42:34,844 --> 00:42:39,306
"Wow, that's them?"
And I had to get used to the song
673
00:42:39,807 --> 00:42:42,476
because even though it was a very big hit,
674
00:42:44,312 --> 00:42:47,522
your brothers singing on a record,
on vinyI, and you hearing it
675
00:42:47,649 --> 00:42:49,149
is something totaIIy different.
676
00:42:49,692 --> 00:42:50,734
MICHAEL: Wejust don't have songs
that come and go,
677
00:42:50,818 --> 00:42:53,111
Voice of MichaeI Jackson
Interview courtesy of J. Randy TaraborreIIi
678
00:42:53,196 --> 00:42:54,947
we have songs that'll be around all the time.
679
00:42:55,031 --> 00:42:57,741
Like, you'll hear 'em
on the FM cIassicaI stations,
680
00:42:57,825 --> 00:43:00,869
by the Philharmonic Orchestra,
things like that.
681
00:43:00,995 --> 00:43:05,207
So it's just not what people call it,
kiddie rock. lt's not that.
682
00:43:05,959 --> 00:43:08,001
And a million sellers, a million selling.
683
00:43:08,336 --> 00:43:09,753
J. Randy TaraborreIIi
JACKSON'S FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER
684
00:43:09,837 --> 00:43:13,674
It was difficuIt to beIieve
that they were Motown artists,
685
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,676
because they were just kids.
686
00:43:15,802 --> 00:43:19,054
lt was as if they had some
kind of stardust rub off on them
687
00:43:19,180 --> 00:43:22,808
because, you know, they were
becoming close to Berry Gordy,
688
00:43:22,892 --> 00:43:25,644
Diana Ross, and to aII of my idoIs.
689
00:43:31,317 --> 00:43:34,278
When I wrote Who's Lovin' You,
I was, you know, in my earIy 20s.
690
00:43:34,362 --> 00:43:35,404
Smokey Robinson
ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS
691
00:43:44,831 --> 00:43:49,334
But at Ieast, at that point,
I had had a chance to experience
692
00:43:49,419 --> 00:43:51,378
some Iife and some Iove.
693
00:43:51,504 --> 00:43:54,339
l was married. l got married when l was 19.
694
00:43:55,258 --> 00:43:59,011
The subject matter
of the song is Iike a person
695
00:43:59,095 --> 00:44:03,056
who has somebody who reaIIy Ioves them.
696
00:44:03,558 --> 00:44:05,767
And yet they don't appreciate it.
They do the person wrong.
697
00:44:06,060 --> 00:44:08,228
The first time I heard Smokey's
Who's Lovin' You,
698
00:44:08,354 --> 00:44:10,939
my assistant was pIaying it
and it's one of those,
699
00:44:11,065 --> 00:44:18,071
oh, party, red-Iight, basement-type,
you know, up on it.
700
00:44:20,408 --> 00:44:22,284
But when MichaeI got ahoId to it,
701
00:44:22,410 --> 00:44:25,746
and Bobby TayIor infused him up
with that funk,
702
00:44:25,872 --> 00:44:30,250
man, Michael put that soul
in that song so deep, it was soulful.
703
00:44:30,752 --> 00:44:32,377
(SOULFUL SONG PLAYING)
704
00:44:48,102 --> 00:44:51,772
How couId he possibIy know
what that song meant?
705
00:44:51,939 --> 00:44:53,607
He sang it Iike he had written it.
706
00:44:56,277 --> 00:44:59,946
l sing Who's Lovin' You, orpart ofit,
in my live concerts
707
00:45:00,615 --> 00:45:03,992
and many times, young peopIe have
come up to me after the concert and said,
708
00:45:04,118 --> 00:45:06,453
"Oh, I didn't know
you sang MichaeI Jackson's song."
709
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,840
A kid, 1 1 years oId, singing that song
with that much emotion? It was incredibIe.
710
00:45:19,092 --> 00:45:20,133
UnbeIievabIe.
711
00:45:34,649 --> 00:45:37,025
He seemed as if he was an oId souI,
712
00:45:37,485 --> 00:45:40,862
that he couId take a song Iike
Who's Lovin' You
713
00:45:40,988 --> 00:45:44,825
and he couId actuaIIy interpret those Iyrics
714
00:45:44,951 --> 00:45:46,868
in a way that made you beIieve
715
00:45:46,994 --> 00:45:50,622
that he had those experiences,
when actuaIIy he was 1 0 years oId.
716
00:45:50,998 --> 00:45:54,459
If you didn't know he was a kid,
you'd have thought he was an oId man.
717
00:45:54,544 --> 00:45:55,794
(LAUGHS)
718
00:45:55,878 --> 00:45:57,754
But he was singing it from his heart.
719
00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:00,132
You know, MichaeI's Iife
was kind of paradoxicaI to me,
720
00:46:00,216 --> 00:46:03,844
because when he was a chiId, he was a man.
721
00:46:04,345 --> 00:46:07,139
So when he was a man, he got the chance
to be a chiId and he took it.
722
00:46:19,026 --> 00:46:24,656
He had a way of interpreting a Iyric,
even as a very young boy,
723
00:46:24,866 --> 00:46:27,367
that made you beIieve the song.
724
00:46:40,923 --> 00:46:42,883
He knew how to perform.
725
00:46:43,259 --> 00:46:46,219
This was, I think, something
that Berry Gordy reaIIy Iiked about MichaeI
726
00:46:46,345 --> 00:46:48,972
because, not onIy was he a great vocaI taIent,
727
00:46:49,056 --> 00:46:50,474
but he was a great performer.
728
00:46:50,558 --> 00:46:52,851
Watching him, as a kid,
be so comfortabIe performing
729
00:46:52,935 --> 00:46:54,019
Peabo Bryson
SINGER
730
00:46:54,103 --> 00:46:59,232
probabIy heIped me
become a better performer, actuaIIy.
731
00:46:59,567 --> 00:47:01,485
His voice was nearIy
as high as Stevie Wonder's.
732
00:47:01,569 --> 00:47:02,652
Martha Reeves
ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS
733
00:47:02,737 --> 00:47:04,738
I met Stevie when he was eight years oId
734
00:47:04,906 --> 00:47:11,328
and I said, "Here's another IittIe youngster
who's far beyond his age, taIent-wise,
735
00:47:11,412 --> 00:47:15,749
"but abIe to sing aduIt songs
in perfect-pitched voices,
736
00:47:15,875 --> 00:47:18,210
"reaI high voices that hadn't changed yet."
737
00:47:26,969 --> 00:47:29,221
His voice and his expressions and his...
738
00:47:29,305 --> 00:47:30,347
WeIdon Arthur McDougaI III
739
00:47:30,431 --> 00:47:31,473
A & R EXECUTIVE,
MOTOWN RECORDS 1 969-80
740
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:35,227
...charisma start taking these songs over.
741
00:47:36,103 --> 00:47:40,023
Like, if Smokey feIt Iike he did his song
742
00:47:40,107 --> 00:47:42,776
and more peopIe Iike the way MichaeI
did it than him,
743
00:47:42,902 --> 00:47:45,737
that's because he did that with aII
of his songs at that time.
744
00:47:51,452 --> 00:47:57,165
No matter who it was, the O'Jays, the DeIIs,
the Whispers or the BeatIes,
745
00:47:57,625 --> 00:47:59,417
we wanted to be the best.
746
00:47:59,502 --> 00:48:02,879
And that's what we were striving for.
747
00:48:04,924 --> 00:48:11,596
Berry Gordy did not Iike the stuff
that Bobby TayIor was recording on them.
748
00:48:11,722 --> 00:48:17,978
I wanted to do the boys a certain way,
but he wanted me to do 'em his way.
749
00:48:19,313 --> 00:48:23,066
And I says, "I can't do 'em the way
you want me to do 'em.
750
00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:24,901
"I must have my own head."
751
00:48:24,986 --> 00:48:26,778
So he says,
"Okay, we're going back to Detroit."
752
00:48:27,113 --> 00:48:28,655
Then he took over.
753
00:48:28,739 --> 00:48:33,827
RANCIFER: Berry Gordy, in turn,
put his crew together.
754
00:48:34,287 --> 00:48:38,748
The Corporation was estabIished
to bring fresh new materiaI
755
00:48:39,166 --> 00:48:40,834
to the Jackson 5.
756
00:48:40,918 --> 00:48:42,502
YouthfuI materiaI.
757
00:48:42,795 --> 00:48:48,466
I think he probabIy feIt
that Bobby TayIor wouId
758
00:48:49,802 --> 00:48:54,848
give them more aduIt materiaI
and forget that they were chiIdren.
759
00:48:54,932 --> 00:48:58,685
He saw gaziIIions, right?
760
00:48:59,103 --> 00:49:00,270
Then he took over.
761
00:49:00,354 --> 00:49:05,025
Bobby TayIor did never get the recognition
he shouId have gotten
762
00:49:05,651 --> 00:49:07,527
for working with them,
763
00:49:08,821 --> 00:49:11,031
from the group or the pubIic.
764
00:49:13,326 --> 00:49:18,538
Bobby TayIor produced 1 0 songs on the
aIbum: 'Diana Ross Presents The Jackson 5'
765
00:49:20,374 --> 00:49:25,795
During 1 969-70 the Jackson 5
reIeased 4 number one singIes in a row.
766
00:49:32,678 --> 00:49:34,387
The Corporation, is
what they caIIed themseIves,
767
00:49:34,472 --> 00:49:39,142
they topped themseIves
with those earIy songs by the Jackson 5,
768
00:49:39,226 --> 00:49:40,727
they were absoIuteIy incredibIe.
769
00:49:40,853 --> 00:49:42,812
AbsoIuteIy incredibIe.
770
00:49:43,064 --> 00:49:46,900
KATHERINE: When my boys had
five gold records in a row,
771
00:49:49,028 --> 00:49:53,239
I was very proud of them because I know
it was something that they wanted
772
00:49:53,407 --> 00:49:56,159
and it was their dream.
773
00:49:56,243 --> 00:49:59,412
And they were happy and I was happy.
774
00:49:59,538 --> 00:50:01,581
The whole family was happy about that.
775
00:50:06,379 --> 00:50:08,672
We did a show once for Jesse Jackson.
776
00:50:08,756 --> 00:50:09,839
Dennis Edwards
LEAD SINGER, 'THE TEMPTATIONS'
777
00:50:09,924 --> 00:50:11,675
You know, Jesse Jackson, he's the activist.
778
00:50:11,759 --> 00:50:15,428
He's got an organisation caIIed PUSH Expo.
779
00:50:15,554 --> 00:50:17,681
He booked the Temptations
and the Jackson 5.
780
00:50:17,765 --> 00:50:19,182
They were just up and coming.
781
00:50:19,266 --> 00:50:24,771
We were superstars at that time
and, oh, man, it was so many peopIe.
782
00:50:25,022 --> 00:50:26,773
(PEOPLE CHEERING)
783
00:50:27,191 --> 00:50:29,526
MCDOUGAL: When they did that show,
784
00:50:30,111 --> 00:50:32,612
the Temptations got a great response.
785
00:50:34,782 --> 00:50:38,535
When the Jackson 5 came on,
it was phenomenaI.
786
00:50:38,953 --> 00:50:41,246
I mean, aImost bIew the roof off the pIace.
787
00:50:45,292 --> 00:50:46,960
EDWARDS: They couldn't get us to our limos.
788
00:50:47,044 --> 00:50:50,547
They had to back up an armoured car,
a Brink's car.
789
00:50:50,631 --> 00:50:53,633
It's Iike a moment in history.
790
00:50:54,468 --> 00:50:59,264
That's when they finaIIy made it
with the bIack R&B pubIic.
791
00:50:59,724 --> 00:51:02,475
They were just ripe for stardom.
792
00:51:05,312 --> 00:51:08,314
On the stage, he was a different guy.
793
00:51:11,152 --> 00:51:15,613
He was reaIIy as much of an actor
in so many ways as he was a singer.
794
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:17,657
MICHAEL: A lot ofpeople always come up
to a lot of us and say
795
00:51:17,783 --> 00:51:20,076
Voice of MichaeI Jackson
Interview courtesy of J. Randy TaraborreIIi
796
00:51:20,161 --> 00:51:21,161
it's like two different people.
797
00:51:21,287 --> 00:51:23,246
On stage and off stage.
798
00:51:23,330 --> 00:51:28,001
When we was taIking, he's shy
and, you know, very soft spoken.
799
00:51:28,502 --> 00:51:31,004
But just when he jumped
on that stage, he's Iike...
800
00:51:31,088 --> 00:51:32,589
(SCATTING)
801
00:51:33,007 --> 00:51:34,340
(SINGING)
802
00:51:41,515 --> 00:51:44,142
Well, l mean, he was a different person
803
00:51:44,351 --> 00:51:47,979
and l've never seen
that in another artist's life.
804
00:51:48,606 --> 00:51:50,315
He was like two guys.
805
00:51:50,441 --> 00:51:54,277
Anything he felt that he wanted to do,
he would do it on stage.
806
00:52:07,458 --> 00:52:09,876
The moment he came off of the stage,
807
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,714
he was back to the IittIe boy he was
before he went on stage.
808
00:52:22,056 --> 00:52:24,724
MICHAEL: When l get on stage, l really,
totally do. That's with a lot of performers.
809
00:52:24,850 --> 00:52:27,143
Voice of MichaeI Jackson
Interview courtesy of J. Randy TaraborreIIi
810
00:52:27,228 --> 00:52:28,228
I've Iearned that about comedians, too.
811
00:52:28,354 --> 00:52:30,814
lt's like when l worked with Richard Pryor
in The Wiz.
812
00:52:30,898 --> 00:52:33,900
A lot of people think he's the funniest guy
to be around 24 hours.
813
00:52:33,984 --> 00:52:36,736
That's not true. He's really shy and quiet.
814
00:52:37,071 --> 00:52:38,822
We were aII Iike that, too.
815
00:52:38,906 --> 00:52:43,076
Singing or dancing
in front of, like, one person, can't do it.
816
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,913
But, like, it's 30,000, you feel so free,
so much easier.
817
00:52:46,997 --> 00:52:48,081
lt's hard to explain.
818
00:52:56,257 --> 00:52:59,342
What motivates MichaeI Jackson?
819
00:53:00,219 --> 00:53:02,095
That was an audience.
820
00:53:02,513 --> 00:53:03,680
Think about it.
821
00:53:03,764 --> 00:53:09,227
He's shy, he won't Iook at you, right?
822
00:53:09,395 --> 00:53:10,562
On stage, what is he?
823
00:53:17,111 --> 00:53:18,736
He owns it.
824
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,698
So if I had peopIe Iooking at him,
825
00:53:21,782 --> 00:53:24,951
I used to bring five, six girIs
every time, right?
826
00:53:25,077 --> 00:53:28,371
And I'd say, "MichaeI, Iook at that girI, man.
They think you're cute."
827
00:53:28,455 --> 00:53:31,875
MichaeI'd say,
"Dang, Bobby, they said that?"
828
00:53:31,959 --> 00:53:35,253
I said, "You better go out there
and sing now, son."
829
00:53:44,471 --> 00:53:47,557
I said, "You go out there
and you mess up now," I said,
830
00:53:47,641 --> 00:53:49,642
"They're gonna teII aII the rest of the girIs
out there.
831
00:53:49,727 --> 00:53:52,395
"You're gonna be one ugIy IittIe boy
everywhere you go."
832
00:54:01,238 --> 00:54:04,407
He used to go out and do one take.
833
00:54:09,580 --> 00:54:14,459
When we were on the road,
MichaeI wouId worry you to death.
834
00:54:14,752 --> 00:54:16,419
I hear somebody knocking on my door
and say,
835
00:54:16,503 --> 00:54:21,174
"Hey, man, what's wrong?" "Oh, man,
what you doing? I wanna come in."
836
00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:25,929
So I'd Iet him in. I'd say, "Man, why don't
you hang out with Jackie and them guys?"
837
00:54:26,013 --> 00:54:28,473
"Hey, man, they got somebody in their room."
838
00:54:28,849 --> 00:54:30,183
(LAUGHS)
839
00:54:30,601 --> 00:54:32,435
l said, "Well, how do you know?"
840
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:35,271
He said, "'Cause l was listening
to the door for about an hour."
841
00:54:35,356 --> 00:54:36,981
(LAUGHING)
842
00:54:38,692 --> 00:54:41,152
He was Iike a IittIe boy, I mean, he...
843
00:54:41,278 --> 00:54:42,445
I said, "What were they doing?"
844
00:54:42,529 --> 00:54:44,864
He said, "They were taIking,
but they won't Iet me in."
845
00:54:45,449 --> 00:54:51,204
They were Iike IittIe kids
and they were very, very happy
846
00:54:51,288 --> 00:54:52,830
and very carefree.
847
00:54:52,957 --> 00:54:55,541
TARABORRELLI: Michael loved being
Michael Jackson at that age.
848
00:54:56,627 --> 00:54:59,712
He Ioved touring,
he Ioved recording at Motown.
849
00:54:59,838 --> 00:55:03,549
He Ioved his fans, he Ioved performing.
850
00:55:03,884 --> 00:55:08,805
MCDOUGAL: They had dirt bikes
and they used to go on Saturday mornings.
851
00:55:08,889 --> 00:55:12,058
They'd go to a pIace
where they couId ride them,
852
00:55:12,226 --> 00:55:14,644
and MichaeI used to tear that thing up.
853
00:55:14,728 --> 00:55:17,897
Man, he was fIying up and down
over the hiIIs.
854
00:55:18,691 --> 00:55:22,318
l thought it was, you know, he was like
any other little boy.
855
00:55:22,695 --> 00:55:25,738
But he was a little boy with a dirt bike.
856
00:55:26,073 --> 00:55:28,491
I mean, they had two or three of 'em.
857
00:55:28,575 --> 00:55:32,203
So, when peopIe say
that he didn't have a chiIdhood,
858
00:55:32,663 --> 00:55:35,415
far as I'd seen he had a chiIdhood.
859
00:55:35,541 --> 00:55:39,168
When he was a kid, things were a Iot simpIer.
860
00:55:39,378 --> 00:55:44,590
And I think that, as they got oIder,
the famiIy became more divided
861
00:55:45,009 --> 00:55:47,010
and other stuff happened
in Michael Jackson's life
862
00:55:47,094 --> 00:55:49,762
to make him wish
that he was 12 years old again.
863
00:55:49,888 --> 00:55:53,766
So, when he says
he missed out on his chiIdhood,
864
00:55:53,892 --> 00:55:57,562
I've aIways feIt that what he reaIIy meant was
that he just missed it very much.
865
00:55:57,771 --> 00:55:59,355
(SLOW SONG PLAYING)
866
00:56:04,778 --> 00:56:06,696
The first time I met him was when he was 14,
867
00:56:06,780 --> 00:56:07,864
Don BIack
SONGWRITER, 'BEN'
868
00:56:07,948 --> 00:56:10,366
fuII of Iife, fuII of ambition.
869
00:56:11,535 --> 00:56:15,121
It was at the peak of his powers.
870
00:56:17,374 --> 00:56:21,419
Fire in his beIIy and just everything
about him was fabuIous.
871
00:56:29,219 --> 00:56:31,554
I wrote it about friendship.
872
00:56:31,638 --> 00:56:34,807
The story is about this boy
who's very seriously ill
873
00:56:34,933 --> 00:56:37,226
and nothing's going right for him.
874
00:56:37,311 --> 00:56:41,314
But a IittIe rat comes aIong one day,
he sees it in his bedroom.
875
00:56:42,357 --> 00:56:46,986
But it was a lovely little mousey kind of rat.
876
00:56:47,654 --> 00:56:49,030
And he befriends him.
877
00:56:49,948 --> 00:56:54,077
And it makes the boy so much better,
it Iifts his spirits up.
878
00:56:54,161 --> 00:56:57,371
And that's how I wrote the song,
about friendship.
879
00:56:57,498 --> 00:56:58,748
lt can be about a rat.
880
00:56:58,832 --> 00:57:02,376
"The two of us need look no more.
You're always running here and there."
881
00:57:02,503 --> 00:57:04,504
But it could be about a best friend.
882
00:57:09,885 --> 00:57:14,639
When MichaeI recorded Ben,
I remember going to the studio
883
00:57:14,723 --> 00:57:17,266
and it was just magical. l just loved it.
884
00:57:17,351 --> 00:57:21,687
l always remember Michael
getting very emotional about that song.
885
00:57:22,231 --> 00:57:25,191
His eyes weIIed up a bit,
886
00:57:25,317 --> 00:57:26,609
particuIarIy at the middIe bit.
887
00:57:26,693 --> 00:57:29,028
I'II never forget that image.
888
00:57:29,154 --> 00:57:32,573
The middIe bit was,
"I used to say 'I' and 'me,'
889
00:57:32,699 --> 00:57:35,326
"now it's 'us,' now it's 'we."'
890
00:57:41,542 --> 00:57:43,918
MichaeI just Ioved those Iines.
891
00:57:44,044 --> 00:57:47,338
In fact, that's why, I think,
we repeat them in the song.
892
00:57:47,422 --> 00:57:48,881
We do it again. (CHUCKLES)
893
00:57:54,221 --> 00:57:57,014
There was a Ionging, I think,
for Iove and acceptance,
894
00:57:57,099 --> 00:57:59,433
going aII the way back
to when he was a IittIe kid.
895
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:04,438
And you were abIe to hear that Ionging
in his voice.
896
00:58:04,565 --> 00:58:05,648
Singing is passion.
897
00:58:05,732 --> 00:58:06,774
Bobby TayIor
ARTIST, GORDY / MOTOWN RECORDS
898
00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:08,067
You have to do it from inside of you.
899
00:58:08,902 --> 00:58:12,530
It has to come from your souI, your heart.
900
00:58:15,534 --> 00:58:16,951
And MichaeI Jackson had that.
901
00:58:17,077 --> 00:58:19,704
It wasn't done for the posture of "I did this."
902
00:58:19,788 --> 00:58:21,372
Dionne Warwick
SINGER
903
00:58:21,456 --> 00:58:25,084
It was done because his heart said,
"This is what I need to do," and he did it.
904
00:58:25,460 --> 00:58:26,752
MichaeI sings Iike an angeI.
905
00:58:26,837 --> 00:58:28,421
He has the voice of an angeI and he does...
906
00:58:28,547 --> 00:58:29,589
Kenny GambIe & Leon Huff
907
00:58:29,673 --> 00:58:30,923
PRODUCERS / SONGWRITERS,
PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS
908
00:58:31,049 --> 00:58:33,676
Every note is right on it and he was doing
that at nine years oId.
909
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,262
MICHAEL: l recorded Ben
l don't know how long ago.
910
00:58:36,388 --> 00:58:38,681
I mean, I hear it aII the time stiII,
you know, go on and on and on.
911
00:58:38,765 --> 00:58:41,100
Voice of MichaeI Jackson
Interview courtesy of J. Randy TaraborreIIi
912
00:58:41,185 --> 00:58:42,602
Yeah, it's selling more now.
913
00:58:42,686 --> 00:58:44,562
So, it's what you leave behind, l think.
914
00:58:51,445 --> 00:58:55,573
BLACK: There are people who come along
once in a lifetime.
915
00:58:56,116 --> 00:58:58,409
MichaeI Jackson, he onIy happens once.
916
00:58:58,911 --> 00:59:00,453
(SLOW SONG CONTINUES PLAYING)
917
00:59:18,055 --> 00:59:21,390
When you think about MichaeI Jackson,
you think about him as a kid.
918
00:59:21,475 --> 00:59:22,558
Freda Payne
SINGER
919
00:59:22,643 --> 00:59:26,562
Like when he did some
of those earIier songs, Iike Ben.
920
00:59:33,487 --> 00:59:36,989
And then as he grew and evoIved
and became a young man,
921
00:59:38,617 --> 00:59:42,078
I saw the metamorphosis
of a beautifuI, beautifuI fIower,
922
00:59:42,162 --> 00:59:44,455
just bIooming and unfoIding.
923
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,921
MichaeI enjoyed what he was doing.
924
00:59:52,005 --> 00:59:53,089
Mickey & Jan Rooney
JACKSON'S FRIENDS
925
00:59:53,173 --> 00:59:58,177
That's why, transition from very young
to getting oIder,
926
00:59:58,512 --> 01:00:05,017
it's just one year after another,
but doing what the good Lord Iet us do.
927
01:00:05,519 --> 01:00:08,354
GEST: When Michael became a teenager,
his voice changed.
928
01:00:08,438 --> 01:00:11,190
He reaIised that he wouId be singing
different types of music,
929
01:00:11,275 --> 01:00:12,275
David Gest
MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND
930
01:00:12,359 --> 01:00:16,028
not kiddie pop songs
Iike he had been most of his career.
931
01:00:17,447 --> 01:00:21,033
EDDIE HOLLAND: The first time we worked
with the Jackson 5 was very exciting.
932
01:00:21,159 --> 01:00:23,369
Because the one thing I noticed
about the group,
933
01:00:23,453 --> 01:00:24,453
Brian & Eddie HoIIand
934
01:00:24,538 --> 01:00:25,621
SONGWRITERS,
HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND
935
01:00:25,706 --> 01:00:28,958
that they were extremeIy down to earth,
very mannerabIe,
936
01:00:29,042 --> 01:00:30,710
very, very poIite.
937
01:00:30,836 --> 01:00:34,463
MichaeI recorded severaI songs
of mine and the HoIIands'
938
01:00:34,548 --> 01:00:35,715
Lamont Dozier
SONGWRITER, HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND
939
01:00:35,841 --> 01:00:38,175
and Forever Came Today
was one of my favourites.
940
01:00:38,343 --> 01:00:39,719
(SINGING)
941
01:00:42,889 --> 01:00:46,350
He had such pipes and drama in his voice
942
01:00:46,476 --> 01:00:48,185
to be so young.
943
01:00:52,691 --> 01:00:54,984
He was just one of a kind in that respect.
944
01:00:55,068 --> 01:00:57,194
He reaIIy did the songs justice.
945
01:00:58,989 --> 01:01:02,908
I think MichaeI knew how important Iyric
was to the song.
946
01:01:02,993 --> 01:01:04,076
VaIerie Simpson & NickoIas Ashford
947
01:01:04,161 --> 01:01:05,578
SINGERS / SONGWRITERS,
'ASHFORD & SIMPSON'
948
01:01:05,704 --> 01:01:08,998
And it had to reach, touch something,
I think, for him to reaIIy wanna sing it.
949
01:01:09,082 --> 01:01:12,835
And, you know,
he'd dance and sing at the same time
950
01:01:12,919 --> 01:01:15,755
so it had to correspond with his body, too.
951
01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:19,091
So it aII had to be one piece for him.
952
01:01:23,597 --> 01:01:26,932
He didn't want fIuff.
He wanted something with Iegs on it,
953
01:01:27,059 --> 01:01:29,352
something that was gonna Iast through time
954
01:01:29,436 --> 01:01:31,854
and that's actuaIIy
what he ended up creating.
955
01:01:32,064 --> 01:01:36,108
The bigger he became as an artist,
956
01:01:36,943 --> 01:01:41,447
the more enamoured he seemed
to be over songwriters.
957
01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:50,623
A Iot of peopIe have done those songs
and couIdn't get a handIe on 'em
958
01:01:50,749 --> 01:01:53,376
like the Levi Stubbs or Diana Ross,
959
01:01:53,460 --> 01:01:57,254
but he just had a knack, a gift.
960
01:01:57,631 --> 01:02:00,966
He aIready had a cake
but then he put icing aII on top of it.
961
01:02:05,263 --> 01:02:06,806
TARABORRELLI: Around 1974,
962
01:02:07,265 --> 01:02:09,809
they started doing product at Motown
that perhaps wasn't the best.
963
01:02:09,893 --> 01:02:11,227
J. Randy TaraborreIIi
JACKSON FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER
964
01:02:11,311 --> 01:02:14,897
As a fan, l loved songs
like The Boogie Man is gonna get you,
965
01:02:14,981 --> 01:02:18,818
and Lookin' through the Windows,
and Skywriter,
966
01:02:18,985 --> 01:02:20,986
but these songs weren't hits.
967
01:02:22,823 --> 01:02:24,323
MCDOUGAL: Joe mentioned to me
968
01:02:24,408 --> 01:02:30,329
severaI times that he feIt Iike
Motown was taking the group over,
969
01:02:30,455 --> 01:02:33,332
taking them away from his direction.
970
01:02:34,835 --> 01:02:36,585
What happened was that
971
01:02:36,670 --> 01:02:39,130
Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder
and Smokey Robinson
972
01:02:39,256 --> 01:02:41,924
were writing and producing
and doing a lot of things at Motown
973
01:02:42,175 --> 01:02:44,510
that the Jacksons had begun
to want to do for themseIves.
974
01:02:44,928 --> 01:02:47,763
And to see how Motown treated other artists
975
01:02:47,848 --> 01:02:50,182
and how the other artists was making it,
976
01:02:50,517 --> 01:02:52,101
it was kind of disillusion.
977
01:02:54,020 --> 01:02:57,857
TARABORRELLI: The company was being
run at that time by Ewart Abner,
978
01:02:57,941 --> 01:03:00,818
Berry Gordy was making movies
with Diana Ross.
979
01:03:01,194 --> 01:03:03,112
And Abner felt pretty strongly
980
01:03:03,196 --> 01:03:06,365
that they shouId not be writing
and producing their own music,
981
01:03:06,533 --> 01:03:09,034
that they shouId just
accept the materiaI that came their way
982
01:03:09,161 --> 01:03:11,120
and just do a good job with it in the studio.
983
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:14,540
GEST: Michael was very disillusioned.
984
01:03:15,167 --> 01:03:17,668
He wanted to not onIy write his own materiaI
985
01:03:17,836 --> 01:03:19,628
but produce it as well.
986
01:03:19,713 --> 01:03:20,796
He realised
987
01:03:20,881 --> 01:03:24,550
if he was to reach these goaIs,
he wouId have to go somewhere eIse.
988
01:03:26,303 --> 01:03:29,013
KENNY GAMBLE:
Joe Jackson called me and told me
989
01:03:29,139 --> 01:03:30,723
that they were Iooking for a pIace to go.
990
01:03:30,849 --> 01:03:31,891
Kenny GambIe & Leon Huff
991
01:03:31,975 --> 01:03:33,225
PRODUCERS / SONGWRITERS,
PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS
992
01:03:33,351 --> 01:03:34,560
And of course, Huff and myseIf,
993
01:03:34,644 --> 01:03:37,521
we tried to get them
for Philly lnternational Records.
994
01:03:37,731 --> 01:03:39,732
But at the same time, CBS
995
01:03:40,025 --> 01:03:42,693
was negotiating with them aIso.
996
01:03:42,903 --> 01:03:44,987
I wanted to know
if there was a shot, a chance,
997
01:03:45,071 --> 01:03:46,572
Ron AIexenburg
SNR. VICE PRESIDENT CBS / EPIC RECORDS
998
01:03:46,656 --> 01:03:50,075
of being abIe to get invoIved.
And I was toId there was.
999
01:03:51,328 --> 01:03:54,580
The next is, we sat down
and we started to negotiate.
1000
01:03:55,332 --> 01:03:57,416
They wanted a miIIion doIIars.
1001
01:03:57,501 --> 01:04:00,002
And I figured,
"Okay, that's aII I couId approve up to."
1002
01:04:00,086 --> 01:04:01,504
That was my approvaI IeveI.
1003
01:04:02,088 --> 01:04:03,589
l had to go through the ranks
1004
01:04:03,715 --> 01:04:07,343
and I said,
"We have a chance of signing the Jackson 5"
1005
01:04:07,427 --> 01:04:09,428
and they said, "They're done."
1006
01:04:09,554 --> 01:04:10,846
l said, "No, l'm sorry.
1007
01:04:11,056 --> 01:04:13,682
"I beIieve in them,
I beIieve that there's a big future,
1008
01:04:13,767 --> 01:04:15,267
"I beIieve that MichaeI Jackson
1009
01:04:15,936 --> 01:04:18,854
"could be one of the biggest stars ever."
1010
01:04:20,607 --> 01:04:21,732
That took care of that.
1011
01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:25,611
I was handed the Ietter and they said,
"There's your deaI memo, go sign 'em."
1012
01:04:26,029 --> 01:04:27,363
In order to move on and progress,
1013
01:04:27,447 --> 01:04:28,531
Katherine Jackson
MICHAEL'S MOTHER
1014
01:04:28,615 --> 01:04:30,199
Joseph said he had to do it
1015
01:04:30,283 --> 01:04:34,286
because he wanted the chiIdren
to get credit for their writings and aII of that,
1016
01:04:34,371 --> 01:04:36,205
and they couIdn't do that at Motown.
1017
01:04:36,289 --> 01:04:39,792
CBS offered them movies,
they offered 'em a TV show,
1018
01:04:39,918 --> 01:04:41,418
cartoons and everything.
1019
01:04:41,878 --> 01:04:45,589
And of course Gamble and Huff, you know,
we couldn't offer them all those things.
1020
01:04:46,383 --> 01:04:49,385
So they decided to go with CBS.
1021
01:04:49,636 --> 01:04:52,054
ProbabIy the most important signing
of my career.
1022
01:04:54,057 --> 01:04:57,768
TARABORRELLI: The Jackson g
left Motown Records and went to CBS.
1023
01:04:57,936 --> 01:05:00,980
Jermaine stayed behind
because he was married to HazeI
1024
01:05:01,314 --> 01:05:03,607
and Hazel was Berry Gordy's daughter.
1025
01:05:05,151 --> 01:05:08,153
KATHERINE: When my boys left Jermaine
back at Motown,
1026
01:05:09,155 --> 01:05:11,824
it hurt, because Jermaine wouIdn't come.
1027
01:05:11,908 --> 01:05:14,743
I don't know if it was upset or angry or
whatever or disappointment or whatever,
1028
01:05:14,828 --> 01:05:15,911
Tito Jackson
MICHAEL'S BROTHER
1029
01:05:15,996 --> 01:05:19,456
it just was a sad time, that's aII.
That's the word. It was sad.
1030
01:05:20,166 --> 01:05:24,169
Jermaine feIt
that he owed his aIIegiance to Berry
1031
01:05:24,337 --> 01:05:27,172
'cause Berry was the one
that gave us our start.
1032
01:05:27,924 --> 01:05:29,675
And I feIt the same way.
1033
01:05:30,343 --> 01:05:34,013
TARABORRELLI: Berry Gordy
maintained the name "Jackson 5"
1034
01:05:34,097 --> 01:05:35,514
and they really thought that maybe
1035
01:05:35,682 --> 01:05:39,435
it wasn't fair that Berry got to keep
the name "Jackson 5,"
1036
01:05:39,519 --> 01:05:42,021
so they went to CBS as the Jacksons.
1037
01:05:43,857 --> 01:05:49,862
ALEXENBURG: l was not prepared
for the rubbish that would come my way.
1038
01:05:49,988 --> 01:05:52,781
It was this fear, I guess,
1039
01:05:52,866 --> 01:05:57,286
that what the supposed "IiIy white" company
1040
01:05:57,370 --> 01:06:00,331
was gonna do to this bIack famiIy.
1041
01:06:01,791 --> 01:06:04,710
l received phone calls, l received threats.
1042
01:06:05,378 --> 01:06:08,881
There was a Iot of prejudice in the business.
1043
01:06:09,007 --> 01:06:15,971
BIack records usuaIIy had to cross over
from being R&B to pop stations.
1044
01:06:16,181 --> 01:06:19,642
Very rareIy did a pop station
just go on a bIack record.
1045
01:06:19,726 --> 01:06:23,729
It's the most ridicuIous thing in the worId
when you think of it now
1046
01:06:23,813 --> 01:06:26,065
because it's not Iike that any more.
1047
01:06:26,149 --> 01:06:28,817
But it sure was in the '60s and '70s.
1048
01:06:29,152 --> 01:06:30,736
Music business was segregated
1049
01:06:30,820 --> 01:06:33,864
and even though
the Jackson 5 had crossed over,
1050
01:06:34,574 --> 01:06:37,242
there was just always
this thing that was going on
1051
01:06:37,327 --> 01:06:38,661
that there was a difference
1052
01:06:38,745 --> 01:06:41,413
between R&B and pop.
1053
01:06:41,915 --> 01:06:45,000
Forget the coIour, Iisten to the music.
1054
01:06:45,085 --> 01:06:48,212
Does the music excite your audience?
Yes. PIay it.
1055
01:06:57,180 --> 01:07:00,349
Ron AIexenburg caIIed us and asked us
1056
01:07:00,934 --> 01:07:02,685
if we would produce them.
1057
01:07:02,852 --> 01:07:05,020
ALEXENBURG: l wanted to go
to proven winners
1058
01:07:05,105 --> 01:07:08,440
and that's why I picked up the phone
and caIIed Kenny GambIe and Leon Huff
1059
01:07:08,775 --> 01:07:11,777
and it was only at that time that l found out
that they were also
1060
01:07:12,237 --> 01:07:14,196
trying to sign the Jacksons and I said,
1061
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:17,282
"WeII, pretend that you signed them
but they're gonna be on Epic Records
1062
01:07:17,409 --> 01:07:19,201
"and pIease produce them for me."
1063
01:07:22,414 --> 01:07:23,455
GAMBLE: That transition
1064
01:07:23,623 --> 01:07:26,125
was a trying time, because
1065
01:07:26,251 --> 01:07:28,877
they had a Iot of emotionaI things
going on with them
1066
01:07:28,962 --> 01:07:33,924
because this was the first time
that Jermaine was not recording with them.
1067
01:07:34,175 --> 01:07:35,217
GEST: When Jermaine left,
1068
01:07:35,385 --> 01:07:38,137
Randy came into the group
1069
01:07:38,221 --> 01:07:44,435
and Joe had been preparing Randy,
for a Iong time, to become a member.
1070
01:07:44,978 --> 01:07:47,730
And he fit in Iike a gIove.
1071
01:07:48,481 --> 01:07:50,357
This here gentleman is Randy Jackson,
1072
01:07:50,442 --> 01:07:51,483
The Jacksons
PHILADELPHIA INT. STUDIO 1 977
1073
01:07:51,568 --> 01:07:55,154
and he happens to be the youngest
and the ugliest member of the Jackson 5.
1074
01:07:55,238 --> 01:07:57,948
Now what's the excuse for you, so ugly?
1075
01:07:58,032 --> 01:07:59,116
(PEOPLE LAUGH)
1076
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,910
'Cause l take after my big brother, Tito.
1077
01:08:02,078 --> 01:08:06,123
As soon as we found a recording date
for an artist,
1078
01:08:06,207 --> 01:08:08,375
we wouId start writing for them
1079
01:08:08,460 --> 01:08:11,253
and not onIy wouId GambIe and Huff
write for them,
1080
01:08:11,337 --> 01:08:13,589
but we had McFadden and Whitehead
who wrote for them.
1081
01:08:13,882 --> 01:08:17,634
-AII of our writers, aII of our staff...
-Dexter, Cynthia Biggs...
1082
01:08:17,719 --> 01:08:19,887
They wouId know
that the Jacksons were coming in.
1083
01:08:21,890 --> 01:08:24,933
DEXTER WANSEL: Kenny Gamble
and Leon Huff instructed me
1084
01:08:25,143 --> 01:08:26,769
to write a number one for them
1085
01:08:26,853 --> 01:08:30,397
to see if I couId come up with any materiaI
that they Iiked,
1086
01:08:30,482 --> 01:08:31,565
Dexter WanseI
PRODUCER / SONGWRITER
1087
01:08:31,649 --> 01:08:35,611
meaning the Jacksons,
and that GambIe and Huff couId approve.
1088
01:08:35,987 --> 01:08:38,197
And so, we wouId have prepared for them
1089
01:08:39,115 --> 01:08:41,492
maybe 20 songs
when they walked in the door.
1090
01:08:41,576 --> 01:08:46,038
And then we'd take those 20 songs
and we'd cut 'em down to maybe, like, 12.
1091
01:08:46,498 --> 01:08:48,999
The Jacksons themseIves were
1092
01:08:49,083 --> 01:08:52,252
interested in moving on with their career.
1093
01:08:52,378 --> 01:08:54,713
They wanted to write,
they wanted to produce.
1094
01:08:55,048 --> 01:08:57,674
So Huff and I, we heIped them produce.
1095
01:08:57,759 --> 01:09:00,511
Tito was exceIIent,
'cause he's a great guitar pIayer.
1096
01:09:00,595 --> 01:09:06,058
Kenny GambIe and Leon Huff
was very warm, nice peopIe.
1097
01:09:06,142 --> 01:09:07,434
They had a Iot of souI,
1098
01:09:07,977 --> 01:09:09,686
we had a lot in common with the music.
1099
01:09:09,771 --> 01:09:11,146
WANSEL: When l cut their tracks,
1100
01:09:11,272 --> 01:09:13,982
I aIways incIuded Tito
1101
01:09:14,192 --> 01:09:15,609
in the rhythm section.
1102
01:09:15,693 --> 01:09:20,239
And he told me Motown would not
let him play on their tracks,
1103
01:09:20,448 --> 01:09:22,199
but he pIayed on every one of mine.
1104
01:09:22,283 --> 01:09:23,826
(LAUGHS)
1105
01:09:23,952 --> 01:09:28,205
GAMBLE: Our studio was running
24 hours a day, so it was like a machine.
1106
01:09:28,540 --> 01:09:29,581
HUFF: Sometimes,
1107
01:09:29,707 --> 01:09:33,293
we might wanna work untiI the wee hours
1108
01:09:33,586 --> 01:09:34,670
of the morning.
1109
01:09:34,754 --> 01:09:38,715
Depends on how strong
your creative juices is flowing
1110
01:09:38,883 --> 01:09:40,384
at that moment.
1111
01:09:40,468 --> 01:09:43,262
And the Jacksons were used to curfews.
1112
01:09:44,138 --> 01:09:46,932
But that changed in Philly.
1113
01:09:47,016 --> 01:09:49,434
GAMBLE: Well, they were older,
they were teenagers then.
1114
01:09:49,519 --> 01:09:52,938
But they were stiII trying
to induce that oId system,
1115
01:09:53,022 --> 01:09:55,816
and MichaeI rebeIIed against it.
1116
01:09:56,609 --> 01:09:59,736
Because Michael wanted to hang out
1117
01:10:00,530 --> 01:10:03,991
into the wee hours of the morning, so...
And that's what he did.
1118
01:10:04,284 --> 01:10:07,286
MichaeI Ioved his time with GambIe and Huff.
1119
01:10:07,370 --> 01:10:10,163
He reaIIy appreciated working
with two geniuses
1120
01:10:10,248 --> 01:10:12,457
who wrote so many cIassic songs.
1121
01:10:12,542 --> 01:10:17,337
Can you teII us, what made you want
to sing in the first pIace?
1122
01:10:17,422 --> 01:10:18,714
-I don't know.
-You don't know?
1123
01:10:18,798 --> 01:10:21,925
WeII, you know how that goes with chiIdren.
They just don't know, do they?
1124
01:10:22,135 --> 01:10:25,012
MichaeI, at that time, was aIways shy
1125
01:10:25,138 --> 01:10:26,847
and really reserved.
1126
01:10:26,931 --> 01:10:29,641
We would say, "l wanna go get something
to eat," or "Let's do this."
1127
01:10:30,059 --> 01:10:32,477
And he wouId go, "Okay."
1128
01:10:32,729 --> 01:10:34,021
And he was very humble.
1129
01:10:34,105 --> 01:10:36,648
And l think he was pretty humble
through his life.
1130
01:10:36,733 --> 01:10:40,110
-What's your name?
-Christopher WanseI.
1131
01:10:40,194 --> 01:10:41,320
(PEOPLE LAUGH)
1132
01:10:41,529 --> 01:10:44,072
I was young when that video was made,
I was, Iike, one or two years oId.
1133
01:10:44,157 --> 01:10:45,198
Christopher WanseI
JACKSON FRIEND
1134
01:10:45,283 --> 01:10:47,242
The relationship with the Jacksons
started there
1135
01:10:47,327 --> 01:10:48,577
and it continued throughout life.
1136
01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:49,912
Can you sing?
1137
01:10:51,956 --> 01:10:56,168
He can't dance? I wanna see his dance.
1138
01:10:56,252 --> 01:10:59,171
-JACKIE: Come on, man!
-You don't have to.
1139
01:11:00,256 --> 01:11:02,925
CHRISTOPHER: l remember a lot ofjust,
1140
01:11:03,301 --> 01:11:06,011
I guess, excitement and just joy
with those guys at that point, you know,
1141
01:11:06,095 --> 01:11:09,431
'cause a Iot of peopIe that wouId record
wouId be serious,
1142
01:11:09,515 --> 01:11:11,224
you wouIdn't get a smiIe or anything,
1143
01:11:11,309 --> 01:11:13,226
but these guys were constantIy joking
Ieft and right.
1144
01:11:13,519 --> 01:11:15,062
JACKIE: What do you do, booger?
1145
01:11:15,146 --> 01:11:16,563
(LAUGHING)
1146
01:11:16,898 --> 01:11:18,815
WeII, other than being "the Bishop of SouI"
1147
01:11:18,900 --> 01:11:21,193
I'm aIso "the Monk of Funk"
and "the High Priest of Rock"
1148
01:11:21,277 --> 01:11:23,236
and "the Bishop of SouI."
1149
01:11:23,446 --> 01:11:25,113
MAN 1 : AII right!
MAN 2: Who said that?
1150
01:11:25,949 --> 01:11:28,492
I met MichaeI Jackson
when he first came to PhiIIy
1151
01:11:28,576 --> 01:11:29,618
BiIIy PauI
ARTIST, PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS
1152
01:11:29,827 --> 01:11:31,703
back in, I think, it was 1 974.
1153
01:11:32,038 --> 01:11:35,874
He was a very shy, young kid, you know.
1154
01:11:35,959 --> 01:11:38,335
And he was very excited to meet me,
you know,
1155
01:11:38,419 --> 01:11:41,922
'cause he... Mrs Jones...
It was at the height of Mrs Jones.
1156
01:11:42,465 --> 01:11:46,051
l welcomed him to the studio and told him
he was gonna enjoy it
1157
01:11:47,303 --> 01:11:50,222
and I'd do a good job, you know,
and he just Iaughed.
1158
01:11:51,391 --> 01:11:53,600
WANSEL: Michael's voice had changed,
obviously,
1159
01:11:53,685 --> 01:11:54,726
from the little boy
1160
01:11:54,811 --> 01:11:58,146
that couId hit aII those high, piercing,
l'll Be There notes
1161
01:11:58,398 --> 01:12:00,565
to a rawer sound.
1162
01:12:00,650 --> 01:12:02,317
But he was a great singer because
1163
01:12:02,443 --> 01:12:05,487
he studied the great singers,
he wanted to sing Iike them.
1164
01:12:05,822 --> 01:12:08,865
He knew what he wanted to do
with his voice,
1165
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:12,744
Iike over-dubbing his voice
and doubIing his voice
1166
01:12:12,829 --> 01:12:15,497
and speeding up one voice and this one...
1167
01:12:15,581 --> 01:12:19,751
These are things that he was teIIing me,
you know. We're the producers.
1168
01:12:19,836 --> 01:12:22,963
He wouId say,
"GambIe, can I try this? Can I try that?"
1169
01:12:23,047 --> 01:12:25,048
I said, "Yeah, try anything you want."
1170
01:12:26,300 --> 01:12:28,343
-We let him express himself.
-HUFF: Yeah.
1171
01:12:28,469 --> 01:12:29,511
GAMBLE: You know, he was in there
1172
01:12:29,929 --> 01:12:33,140
through the mixes,
he was around me and Huff aII the time.
1173
01:12:33,474 --> 01:12:37,602
I remember when they were working
with GambIe and Huff in PhiIadeIphia,
1174
01:12:37,687 --> 01:12:41,398
and I Iiked their sound and I Iiked what they
did and they heIped them out a Iot.
1175
01:12:41,482 --> 01:12:45,068
And that's when
the boys first start writing, too.
1176
01:12:47,447 --> 01:12:50,699
GEST: Their first record
produced by Gamble and Huff,
1177
01:12:50,783 --> 01:12:51,908
even though it went gold,
1178
01:12:52,285 --> 01:12:55,412
wasn't a reaIIy huge aIbum for them.
1179
01:12:55,496 --> 01:12:58,915
It mid-charted in around the 50s
1180
01:12:59,167 --> 01:13:01,543
and he wanted something
that was number one.
1181
01:13:03,671 --> 01:13:06,965
When they did their second aIbum,
Goin' Places,
1182
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:09,885
the album was really a flop.
1183
01:13:09,969 --> 01:13:11,178
He was used to selling
1184
01:13:11,304 --> 01:13:14,514
a miIIion or so aIbums on Motown.
1185
01:13:14,766 --> 01:13:17,184
And he really, in no disrespect to them,
1186
01:13:17,518 --> 01:13:23,023
wanted to produce and write
aII his own materiaI.
1187
01:13:23,107 --> 01:13:24,816
He wanted to be in charge.
1188
01:13:26,110 --> 01:13:30,489
ReIeased in 1 978 'Destiny' was the
first aIbum produced by the Jacksons.
1189
01:13:30,573 --> 01:13:33,408
When I first heard Destiny,
1190
01:13:33,493 --> 01:13:35,994
I Iiked it very much.
I was very proud of them.
1191
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:37,704
I thought they did a reaI good job.
1192
01:13:40,208 --> 01:13:44,878
The aIbum re-estabIished
The Jacksons as a top seIIing group.
1193
01:13:50,093 --> 01:13:53,053
EDWARDS: He kept reaching
for higher plateaus
1194
01:13:53,346 --> 01:13:55,388
and he feIt, maybe, that if the group...
1195
01:13:55,515 --> 01:13:56,598
Dennis Edwards
LEAD SINGER, 'THE TEMPTATIONS'
1196
01:13:56,682 --> 01:13:59,643
Where he wanted to go,
they probabIy couIdn't go with him.
1197
01:13:59,894 --> 01:14:04,856
MichaeI was beginning
to think of himseIf as a soIo artist
1198
01:14:04,941 --> 01:14:08,610
and I aIways wondered
what wouId happen to the brothers
1199
01:14:08,694 --> 01:14:10,112
if Michael left the group.
1200
01:14:10,196 --> 01:14:14,116
Without Michael Jackson, that was gonna be
a tough road for the Jacksons.
1201
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:15,242
And l also believed
1202
01:14:15,326 --> 01:14:18,286
that that's one of the reasons why
MichaeI put it off for as Iong as he couId.
1203
01:14:18,621 --> 01:14:19,704
Yeah, I figured he'd go soIo.
1204
01:14:19,789 --> 01:14:20,997
Jimmy Ruffin
ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS
1205
01:14:21,082 --> 01:14:24,584
He was too good.
He couIdn't carry his brothers forever.
1206
01:14:27,088 --> 01:14:28,630
KATHERINE: One ofthe lawyers called me in
1207
01:14:28,965 --> 01:14:31,091
and he toId me to teII the boys
to save their money
1208
01:14:31,175 --> 01:14:33,385
because MichaeI is gonna go soIo.
1209
01:14:33,469 --> 01:14:35,262
I said, "He can't do that."
1210
01:14:35,346 --> 01:14:37,430
And he said,
"WeII, he don't need his brothers."
1211
01:14:38,391 --> 01:14:40,183
I said, "They need one another."
1212
01:14:40,810 --> 01:14:44,146
TARABORRELLI: Josephjust felt
that what was really important
1213
01:14:44,230 --> 01:14:47,023
wasn't the individual success of the group
1214
01:14:47,358 --> 01:14:52,279
but it was the group itseIf
and it was the famiIy itseIf.
1215
01:14:52,363 --> 01:14:57,701
And that's easy to say
when you're not the Iead singer of the group.
1216
01:14:58,327 --> 01:15:02,497
ALEXENBURG: l saw Michael leaving
his father as a positive,
1217
01:15:02,582 --> 01:15:05,709
no longer persecuting him, abusing him
1218
01:15:06,002 --> 01:15:10,297
or saying things to him that were ugIy.
1219
01:15:10,381 --> 01:15:13,967
He seemed to onIy be
getting it from one source, his father.
1220
01:15:14,177 --> 01:15:17,012
MichaeI never feIt comfortabIe
with Joe as his manager,
1221
01:15:17,096 --> 01:15:18,471
'cause he was afraid of him.
1222
01:15:18,556 --> 01:15:21,683
And when you're afraid of somebody,
you don't wanna be around them.
1223
01:15:21,934 --> 01:15:24,686
That was his destiny, to be by himseIf.
1224
01:15:24,770 --> 01:15:27,063
His confidence IeveI was reaIIy high
1225
01:15:27,148 --> 01:15:30,358
and when he made the transition
from us to Quincy,
1226
01:15:30,443 --> 01:15:31,484
he was ready.
1227
01:15:36,115 --> 01:15:38,825
MichaeI reaIIy admired Quincy Jones.
1228
01:15:39,702 --> 01:15:40,869
Because
1229
01:15:41,162 --> 01:15:43,121
Quincy had produced Frank Sinatra,
1230
01:15:43,706 --> 01:15:44,748
1231
01:15:45,416 --> 01:15:46,458
EIIa FitzgeraId,
1232
01:15:46,959 --> 01:15:48,084
1233
01:15:48,336 --> 01:15:49,419
Dinah Washington,
1234
01:15:49,545 --> 01:15:50,670
1235
01:15:50,755 --> 01:15:56,384
And so many other acts
during his very iIIustrious career.
1236
01:15:58,346 --> 01:16:01,556
When he was about to do Off The Wall,
he went to him,
1237
01:16:02,308 --> 01:16:04,226
asking for suggestions
1238
01:16:04,727 --> 01:16:08,813
of peopIe that might be interested
in working with him.
1239
01:16:08,898 --> 01:16:14,152
And the story goes that Quincy Jones said,
"I'm avaiIabIe," and he said,
1240
01:16:14,779 --> 01:16:16,696
"l would love to work with you."
1241
01:16:17,907 --> 01:16:21,576
TARABORRELLI: l was in the studio
for the Off The WaII sessions,
1242
01:16:21,786 --> 01:16:26,248
and so, I was abIe to actuaIIy watch
MichaeI and Quincy work together.
1243
01:16:26,332 --> 01:16:31,920
And MichaeI reaIIy thought of Quincy
as sort of the father that he hoped
1244
01:16:32,213 --> 01:16:34,297
Joseph could have been for him.
1245
01:16:34,382 --> 01:16:37,175
One of the things that Michael told me
he loved about working with Quincy
1246
01:16:37,260 --> 01:16:41,137
was that Quincy thought
Michael's ideas were good ideas.
1247
01:16:41,973 --> 01:16:44,432
And if you Iisten to some of the demos,
1248
01:16:44,558 --> 01:16:48,270
those songs were complete
when Michael brought them to Quincy.
1249
01:16:48,354 --> 01:16:50,021
l mean, you could have just put them out.
1250
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,775
And Quincy appreciated the fact
that MichaeI had this amazing abiIity.
1251
01:16:54,026 --> 01:16:55,485
There was a lot of respect there.
1252
01:16:56,362 --> 01:16:59,698
BRYSON: Quincy Jones has always been
smart about merging what he has to offer
1253
01:16:59,949 --> 01:17:01,157
with what the artist has to offer
1254
01:17:01,242 --> 01:17:03,034
and I think that's probabIy
one of Quincy's greatest gifts.
1255
01:17:03,119 --> 01:17:04,160
Peabo Bryson
SINGER
1256
01:17:04,245 --> 01:17:06,538
And he certainIy did that with MichaeI
in abundance.
1257
01:17:07,999 --> 01:17:11,001
GEST: l will never forget when
he brought Off TheWall over to my house
1258
01:17:11,210 --> 01:17:14,296
to pIay it for me.
1259
01:17:14,380 --> 01:17:20,719
It just jumped right out of the record pIayer.
1260
01:17:20,803 --> 01:17:26,725
It was the most unbeIievabIe aIbum
1261
01:17:26,809 --> 01:17:28,310
I'd ever heard to that date.
1262
01:17:28,394 --> 01:17:30,687
To me, that's one of the greatest aIbums
I've ever heard in my Iife.
1263
01:17:30,771 --> 01:17:32,188
RusseII Thompkins, Jr.
LEAD SINGER, 'THE STYLISTICS'
1264
01:17:32,273 --> 01:17:33,315
When the musicians that I know,
1265
01:17:33,399 --> 01:17:37,944
and we aII sit around
and we Iisten to the arrangements,
1266
01:17:38,404 --> 01:17:41,990
and the production that was done on that
album, the things that Quincy Jones did,
1267
01:17:42,199 --> 01:17:43,325
was fantastic.
1268
01:17:43,451 --> 01:17:45,994
Quincy Jones had horn pIayers
pIaying such fantastic Iicks
1269
01:17:46,078 --> 01:17:47,162
Martha Reeves
ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS
1270
01:17:47,246 --> 01:17:51,124
and had drummers and percussions
that MichaeI had to dance to,
1271
01:17:51,208 --> 01:17:54,085
and that onIy made him
even the more exciting.
1272
01:17:54,503 --> 01:17:57,714
Quincy was a great arranger,
1273
01:17:57,798 --> 01:18:02,510
MichaeI was a great singer,
and aIso had a great foresight
1274
01:18:02,595 --> 01:18:04,888
and it just was a marriage made in heaven.
1275
01:18:06,349 --> 01:18:07,557
EDDIE FLOYD: l had the pleasure
1276
01:18:07,641 --> 01:18:09,434
of coming up in the same era
and watching him
1277
01:18:09,518 --> 01:18:10,560
Eddie FIoyd
SINGER / SONGWRITER, STAX RECORDS
1278
01:18:10,644 --> 01:18:13,396
and once he got with MichaeI... Wow...
(CHUCKLES)
1279
01:18:13,606 --> 01:18:15,273
History speaks for itself.
1280
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:17,525
TARABORRELLI: There wasjust no way
1281
01:18:17,902 --> 01:18:19,736
that these songs
weren't going to be big hits.
1282
01:18:21,989 --> 01:18:24,783
KATHERINE: An album would have
two very good songs on it
1283
01:18:25,201 --> 01:18:29,162
that they know is gonna be hits,
and then they throw anything on an aIbum,
1284
01:18:29,330 --> 01:18:30,663
to fill it out.
1285
01:18:30,748 --> 01:18:34,709
And he said, "Mother, I don't beIieve in that.
l think every song should be a hit."
1286
01:18:34,877 --> 01:18:38,004
And so, he just put good songs out there
and gave the peopIe
1287
01:18:38,089 --> 01:18:39,547
good product.
1288
01:18:42,718 --> 01:18:46,012
ActuaIIy, it made me start dancing again
1289
01:18:46,097 --> 01:18:47,138
when I went out,
1290
01:18:47,223 --> 01:18:50,975
'cause I was one of those
"I don't wanna sweat" guys. (LAUGHS)
1291
01:18:51,060 --> 01:18:53,770
When Off The Wallwas on,
you had to hit the dance fIoor.
1292
01:18:54,021 --> 01:18:55,480
It was just absoIuteIy astounding
1293
01:18:55,564 --> 01:18:58,024
and then he just
kept getting better and better.
1294
01:18:58,109 --> 01:18:59,150
AbduI 'Duke' Fakir
ARTIST, 'THE FOUR TOPS'
1295
01:19:00,611 --> 01:19:03,822
Such a God-given taIent, so precious.
1296
01:19:05,282 --> 01:19:08,326
TARABORRELLI: When he recorded ThriIIer,
Michael was very excited
1297
01:19:08,452 --> 01:19:09,494
and he said that he thought
1298
01:19:09,620 --> 01:19:12,580
this was going to seII hundreds
and hundreds of miIIions of copies.
1299
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:16,459
Quincy kept telling Michael,
"You know what? Maybe five million.
1300
01:19:17,628 --> 01:19:19,671
"I mean, if we do 1 0 miIIion,
it's gonna be huge,
1301
01:19:19,755 --> 01:19:21,214
"but, you know, don't get your hopes up."
1302
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:24,259
He was never pIeased
with what he accompIished.
1303
01:19:24,343 --> 01:19:27,345
He aIways wanted
to accompIish the impossibIe.
1304
01:19:28,180 --> 01:19:33,017
TARABORRELLI: Michael felt that Quincy
should have been on his team
1305
01:19:33,602 --> 01:19:35,228
with 1 00 miIIion.
1306
01:19:35,312 --> 01:19:37,397
And he toId his attorney,
1307
01:19:37,648 --> 01:19:40,692
"ThriIIer's not coming out.
Quincy doesn't believe in it.
1308
01:19:40,985 --> 01:19:43,111
"CanceI. The thing's not coming out," right?
1309
01:19:44,029 --> 01:19:46,448
So, Michael had a conversation
with WaIter Yetnikoff,
1310
01:19:46,532 --> 01:19:48,616
who was running CBS at that time.
1311
01:19:48,701 --> 01:19:53,079
And WaIter Yetnikoff toId MichaeI,
"Look, who cares what these guys think.
1312
01:19:53,164 --> 01:19:57,041
"It's not about what their impression is
of this music,
1313
01:19:57,126 --> 01:19:59,085
"it's what you beIieve to be the case.
1314
01:19:59,170 --> 01:20:01,087
"And if you beIieve this is
going to seII 1 00 miIIion copies,
1315
01:20:01,172 --> 01:20:02,213
"guess what, MichaeI?
1316
01:20:02,339 --> 01:20:03,548
"l'm with you.
1317
01:20:03,632 --> 01:20:07,552
"Let this thing come out.
Don't mess with this. Just let it come out."
1318
01:20:07,678 --> 01:20:08,720
And then Michael did.
1319
01:20:09,054 --> 01:20:10,513
But it couId have gone either way.
1320
01:20:10,723 --> 01:20:16,561
We were averaging a miIIion units a week,
which no other record had done.
1321
01:20:16,645 --> 01:20:17,687
Frank DiIeo
JACKSON'S MANAGER 1 984-89, 2009
1322
01:20:21,025 --> 01:20:26,279
Michael Jackson, that year with Thriller,
saved the record business.
1323
01:20:26,363 --> 01:20:28,490
Tower Records was going out of business,
1324
01:20:28,741 --> 01:20:34,913
CBS itseIf had had two bIack Fridays
where they Iaid off, Iike, a thousand peopIe,
1325
01:20:34,997 --> 01:20:39,876
other companies were Iaying off peopIe.
Everybody was Iosing theirjob.
1326
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:41,920
But Thrillerwas so big,
1327
01:20:42,713 --> 01:20:47,550
it brought millions of people into the stores
1328
01:20:48,010 --> 01:20:51,721
and they not onIy bought Thriller,
they bought other product.
1329
01:20:51,931 --> 01:20:56,226
It was the music that wiII probabIy
infIuence contemporary artists
1330
01:20:56,310 --> 01:20:58,853
for a Iong, Iong time to come.
1331
01:20:58,938 --> 01:21:03,399
It gave us a...
1332
01:21:03,484 --> 01:21:07,028
A goaI, a buII's-eye or a dream to get to,
1333
01:21:07,321 --> 01:21:08,821
something to aspire to.
1334
01:21:09,573 --> 01:21:12,825
KATHERINE: After Michael made Off The WaII,
and then ThriIIer,
1335
01:21:13,327 --> 01:21:18,248
I knew then that it was Iike shooting a rocket
up to the moon.
1336
01:21:21,919 --> 01:21:23,294
Were you aware of the saIes?
1337
01:21:23,629 --> 01:21:26,464
I pretty much did the aIbum
and just sat back and watched.
1338
01:21:27,466 --> 01:21:28,716
He saw where he wanted to go
1339
01:21:28,801 --> 01:21:29,842
Freda Payne
SINGER
1340
01:21:29,969 --> 01:21:31,094
and he went there.
1341
01:21:31,428 --> 01:21:32,512
And nobody couId stop him.
1342
01:21:36,809 --> 01:21:38,768
He went to a IeveI
1343
01:21:39,019 --> 01:21:41,062
that only the very great have obtained.
1344
01:21:45,150 --> 01:21:47,318
He wanted to be the best
and he was the best.
1345
01:21:48,028 --> 01:21:49,779
(PEOPLE CHEERING)
1346
01:21:52,032 --> 01:21:54,659
TAYLOR: God took that little man
and he says,
1347
01:21:55,035 --> 01:21:57,412
"Okay now, you take over the music worId."
1348
01:21:57,496 --> 01:21:58,538
Bobby TayIor
ARTIST, GORDY / MOTOWN RECORDS
1349
01:21:58,706 --> 01:21:59,998
"It now beIongs to you."
1350
01:22:02,668 --> 01:22:04,794
ALEXENBURG: What made him so special
1351
01:22:05,212 --> 01:22:06,921
is that he was heId back
1352
01:22:07,506 --> 01:22:08,798
for so long
1353
01:22:08,882 --> 01:22:11,843
that when he was finally released,
all of it came out.
1354
01:22:13,262 --> 01:22:15,346
TITO: He just lit the stage on fire.
1355
01:22:15,764 --> 01:22:18,975
He stoIe the show from everybody,
incIuding the Jackson 5.
1356
01:22:19,059 --> 01:22:20,101
Tito Jackson
MICHAEL'S BROTHER
1357
01:22:21,604 --> 01:22:23,313
RANCIFER: Michael was into his fans.
1358
01:22:23,939 --> 01:22:26,691
To make aII these peopIe that happy,
it charged him up, it reaIIy did.
1359
01:22:26,775 --> 01:22:27,984
Ronnie Rancifer
KEYBOARDIST, 'JACKSON 5' 1 967-77
1360
01:22:30,529 --> 01:22:34,157
SIMPSON: My fondest memory
is the Motown 25.
1361
01:22:34,241 --> 01:22:36,367
ASHFORD: Yeah.
SIMPSON: We were on that show,
1362
01:22:36,452 --> 01:22:37,493
-and he premiered the moonwaIk. Wow.
-That was something.
1363
01:22:37,578 --> 01:22:38,620
VaIerie Simpson & NickoIas Ashford,
1364
01:22:38,704 --> 01:22:39,746
SINGERS / SONGWRITERS,
'ASHFORD & SIMPSON'
1365
01:22:43,626 --> 01:22:44,667
GEST: Michael called me
1366
01:22:45,169 --> 01:22:48,046
when he got home from doing Motown 25,
1367
01:22:48,130 --> 01:22:49,589
and said, "I've just given
the greatest performance of my Iife."
1368
01:22:49,673 --> 01:22:50,715
David Gest
MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND
1369
01:22:55,262 --> 01:22:57,889
WARWICK: How excited we all were for him,
1370
01:22:58,265 --> 01:23:01,100
it was Iike, "I guess I've arrived,"
(LAUGHS) you know?
1371
01:23:01,185 --> 01:23:03,645
Dionne Warwick
SINGER
1372
01:23:03,771 --> 01:23:06,606
With an armfuI of Grammys.
It was wonderfuI.
1373
01:23:07,524 --> 01:23:10,652
In 1 984 MichaeI won an unprecedented
8 Grammys for 'ThriIIer'.
1374
01:23:14,698 --> 01:23:18,159
'ThriIIer' became the best seIIing aIbum
of aII time with saIes exceeding 1 1 0 miIIion.
1375
01:23:19,662 --> 01:23:20,703
ALL: (CHANTING) MichaeI!
1376
01:23:22,164 --> 01:23:25,500
During the eighties MichaeI had more
number 1 hits than any other artist.
1377
01:23:30,881 --> 01:23:32,507
GEST: Michael Jackson is
1378
01:23:32,716 --> 01:23:36,052
one of the greatest artists of aII time,
1379
01:23:36,136 --> 01:23:40,682
who transcended being IabeIIed
bIack, white, red, yeIIow,
1380
01:23:40,766 --> 01:23:45,103
it didn't matter,
he appeaIed to everybody, everywhere.
1381
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:51,067
I think he came here ready
'cause he aIways wanted to be a superstar.
1382
01:23:51,151 --> 01:23:55,947
He was wearing IittIe rings on his fingers
when he was a IittIe man, you know.
1383
01:23:56,573 --> 01:23:58,366
TARABORRELLI: He was very conscious
1384
01:23:58,784 --> 01:24:00,952
of the iconocIastic nature
of "MichaeI Jackson,"
1385
01:24:01,036 --> 01:24:02,078
J. Randy TaraborreIIi
JACKSON FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER
1386
01:24:03,372 --> 01:24:05,665
and what it would mean historically.
1387
01:24:05,999 --> 01:24:07,959
ALEXENBURG: Michael's image
was very important to him
1388
01:24:08,085 --> 01:24:10,461
because Fred Astaire
and the peopIe that he studied,
1389
01:24:10,879 --> 01:24:13,089
Jackie WiIson, James Brown...
1390
01:24:13,257 --> 01:24:17,301
How are they being revered? Why are they
so terrific and what did they do?
1391
01:24:17,386 --> 01:24:18,428
And he was a great student.
1392
01:24:18,512 --> 01:24:19,971
Ron AIexenburg
SNR. VICE PRESIDENT CBS / EPIC RECORDS
1393
01:24:20,055 --> 01:24:21,389
It just didn't come upon him,
1394
01:24:21,473 --> 01:24:23,850
he studied his craft, he worked at it.
1395
01:24:24,226 --> 01:24:26,018
GEST: He was directing his career,
1396
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:29,397
he was so street smart
1397
01:24:29,481 --> 01:24:35,695
and he knew how to make a campaign work,
and more importantIy, how to make it Iast.
1398
01:24:36,029 --> 01:24:39,866
He beIieved that the biggest stars
Ieft the biggest impression
1399
01:24:39,950 --> 01:24:42,660
and it was bigger than just their art,
you know.
1400
01:24:42,745 --> 01:24:45,329
What you thought of instantly
1401
01:24:45,873 --> 01:24:47,707
when you thought of these ceIebrities
1402
01:24:47,791 --> 01:24:50,543
and with MichaeI,
what you began to think of instantIy
1403
01:24:50,627 --> 01:24:53,171
was the fedora hat, it was the one glove.
1404
01:24:53,756 --> 01:24:57,383
On the show that we did together
at Madison Square Garden,
1405
01:24:57,468 --> 01:24:59,343
he came out with a suitcase
1406
01:24:59,803 --> 01:25:03,848
and inside was the glove,
and he had the hat,
1407
01:25:05,017 --> 01:25:09,103
and he had everything he needed
to show them,
1408
01:25:09,188 --> 01:25:12,482
"Nobody does it better than I
and these are my trademarks."
1409
01:25:12,941 --> 01:25:16,569
TARABORRELLI: The total package
of Michael Jackson became very important,
1410
01:25:16,653 --> 01:25:19,405
especially with the advent of video culture,
1411
01:25:19,573 --> 01:25:21,866
which happened at the exact same time
1412
01:25:21,950 --> 01:25:24,660
that Billie Jean and Beat lt
were becoming hit records.
1413
01:25:26,330 --> 01:25:31,083
'BiIIie Jean' was the 1 st video by a bIack
artist to receive heavy rotation on MTV.
1414
01:25:34,296 --> 01:25:37,924
MichaeI never officiaIIy Ieft The Jacksons.
'Victory' (1 984) was their Iast aIbum together.
1415
01:25:43,472 --> 01:25:48,392
GEST: lt was an immense pressure
to be in the public eye
1416
01:25:48,477 --> 01:25:51,479
and he kept wanting
to look better and better.
1417
01:25:51,897 --> 01:25:54,273
He was very, very seIf-conscious.
1418
01:25:54,399 --> 01:25:57,360
MichaeI feIt under pressure
1419
01:25:57,486 --> 01:26:00,321
where his image was concerned
1420
01:26:00,823 --> 01:26:02,031
because of who he is.
1421
01:26:02,115 --> 01:26:05,910
He was a black guy, he was an inner-city guy.
1422
01:26:05,994 --> 01:26:08,538
How couId he be the darIing
of white society?
1423
01:26:09,248 --> 01:26:10,498
He had to change.
1424
01:26:12,334 --> 01:26:18,506
I think aII that was what Ied
to the first pIastic surgery, in 1 978.
1425
01:26:18,715 --> 01:26:20,883
I went to interview MichaeI
at his home in Encino
1426
01:26:20,968 --> 01:26:23,594
and he showed up at the door
with bandages on his face
1427
01:26:23,679 --> 01:26:25,346
and his eyes were bIack and bIue,
1428
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:27,723
and I thought that he had been
in some kind of a fight.
1429
01:26:29,059 --> 01:26:32,895
He expIained to me
that he had faIIen on stage
1430
01:26:33,438 --> 01:26:35,022
and broke his nose.
1431
01:26:35,107 --> 01:26:37,817
This was why he had that first surgery.
1432
01:26:40,028 --> 01:26:43,030
His next major one was in 1 981
1433
01:26:43,115 --> 01:26:45,950
and he stayed with me for four weeks.
I took care of him.
1434
01:26:46,493 --> 01:26:50,329
l always felt that he looked so good
after that second one,
1435
01:26:50,414 --> 01:26:51,747
he never needed to do more.
1436
01:26:52,374 --> 01:26:53,583
TARABORRELLI: And then after that,
1437
01:26:53,667 --> 01:26:55,751
there were all kinds of other things
that were going on
1438
01:26:55,836 --> 01:26:58,296
that it was really hard to determine,
1439
01:26:58,964 --> 01:27:01,215
you know, what he was doing
and when he was doing it.
1440
01:27:09,224 --> 01:27:11,642
REBBIE: l think he should have stopped
before he did, yes.
1441
01:27:11,727 --> 01:27:15,313
Being vuInerabIe and Iistening to others,
he just kept going.
1442
01:27:15,397 --> 01:27:16,439
Rebbie Jackson
MICHAEL'S SISTER
1443
01:27:16,899 --> 01:27:20,651
DILEO: Steve Hoefflin, l believe,
and I said to MichaeI,
1444
01:27:20,736 --> 01:27:27,491
did too many operations
and made MichaeI not secure, but insecure.
1445
01:27:27,826 --> 01:27:31,537
GEST: One ofthe ways
Steve stayed close to Michael
1446
01:27:31,622 --> 01:27:35,082
was constantIy teIIing him what he needed.
1447
01:27:35,167 --> 01:27:39,587
Steve wouId probabIy disagree with that,
but I feIt
1448
01:27:39,713 --> 01:27:41,756
you just went a bit too far.
1449
01:27:44,426 --> 01:27:46,344
The disease that MichaeI had, vitiIigo,
1450
01:27:46,428 --> 01:27:47,470
Katherine Jackson
MICHAEL'S MOTHER
1451
01:27:47,638 --> 01:27:49,847
MichaeI suffered from it and he...
1452
01:27:50,974 --> 01:27:54,393
He didn't wanna be spotted up and he...
1453
01:27:54,645 --> 01:27:59,482
He went to a skin doctor
and had him to get his whoIe face one coIour
1454
01:27:59,775 --> 01:28:04,111
but below, his legs and things
were still spotted up
1455
01:28:04,196 --> 01:28:05,279
but he didn't show that part of his body,
1456
01:28:05,364 --> 01:28:06,447
VitiIigo Sufferer
1457
01:28:06,531 --> 01:28:11,786
onIy parts of his body Iike his hands
and his face and his neck and chest.
1458
01:28:11,870 --> 01:28:16,248
That's the part that he had bIeached out
so it wouIdn't Iook so bad.
1459
01:28:19,544 --> 01:28:22,254
Some people have their own ideas
of what they think it is,
1460
01:28:22,381 --> 01:28:25,132
but I know what it is.
1461
01:28:28,220 --> 01:28:30,471
TARABORRELLI: lt always felt unfair to me
1462
01:28:30,555 --> 01:28:32,890
and l think that Michael
always felt victimised by it.
1463
01:28:32,975 --> 01:28:34,517
I Ioved it when MichaeI said,
1464
01:28:34,601 --> 01:28:37,061
"Plastic surgery
was not invented for Michael Jackson.
1465
01:28:38,313 --> 01:28:40,564
"PeopIe have been having
pIastic surgery for years.
1466
01:28:40,649 --> 01:28:42,066
"I'm not the first one to do it.
1467
01:28:42,150 --> 01:28:44,860
"Why am I aIways the one being picked
on about it?"
1468
01:28:44,945 --> 01:28:46,904
And I thought that was a reaIIy good point.
1469
01:28:49,574 --> 01:28:53,911
TITO: We were doing a Pepsi commercial,
the year was 1984.
1470
01:28:54,997 --> 01:28:56,998
And we were just getting ready
to go out on the Victory Tour.
1471
01:29:01,837 --> 01:29:05,423
I went to the set the day they were shooting it
1472
01:29:05,507 --> 01:29:09,427
and they had a Iot of performances
that were great.
1473
01:29:09,594 --> 01:29:12,930
So it was the end of the day,
they caIIed for a wrap,
1474
01:29:13,015 --> 01:29:17,977
I said goodbye to him.
And I was waIking out the door
1475
01:29:18,103 --> 01:29:23,524
when I heard the producer say,
"We have to do one more take."
1476
01:29:26,319 --> 01:29:29,530
There was some pyro,
and MichaeI was coming down the steps
1477
01:29:29,614 --> 01:29:32,450
and I think somebody missed their cue.
1478
01:29:36,705 --> 01:29:40,499
One of the fIames came
and Ianded on MichaeI's head,
1479
01:29:40,625 --> 01:29:44,003
which he had hairspray, something Iike that,
and it just...
1480
01:30:02,981 --> 01:30:07,443
After the accident, MichaeI had
to go through a horrific experience
1481
01:30:07,527 --> 01:30:09,320
to repair his scaIp.
1482
01:30:09,488 --> 01:30:13,365
It was a form of tissue expansion
known as baIIooning.
1483
01:30:15,744 --> 01:30:18,120
This procedure is often used on the scaIp
1484
01:30:18,205 --> 01:30:20,581
Dr. MichaeI May FRCS - HAIR TRANSPLANT
SPECIALIST, THE WIMPOLE CLINIC
1485
01:30:20,665 --> 01:30:25,836
to treat burns, scarring.
1486
01:30:27,339 --> 01:30:29,340
This is done by the surgeon
1487
01:30:29,424 --> 01:30:34,970
inserting a plastic balloon
underneath the skin
1488
01:30:35,055 --> 01:30:40,184
and, over a period of time,
increasing the voIume of the baIIoon,
1489
01:30:41,019 --> 01:30:44,271
and therefore, stretching the skin above.
1490
01:30:47,067 --> 01:30:48,734
The surgeons,
1491
01:30:48,902 --> 01:30:50,653
aImost Iike drawing a curtain,
1492
01:30:50,737 --> 01:30:55,199
bring the normaI tissue
over that area of scaIp
1493
01:30:55,867 --> 01:30:58,869
and fill in the scarred area.
1494
01:31:02,374 --> 01:31:04,834
I actuaIIy spoke to Dr Steven HoeffIin,
1495
01:31:04,918 --> 01:31:09,588
who did the first baIIooning procedure
on MichaeI after the Pepsi incident.
1496
01:31:09,714 --> 01:31:11,423
And he expIained to me
1497
01:31:11,550 --> 01:31:16,137
MichaeI continued
to do the baIIooning procedure
1498
01:31:16,221 --> 01:31:19,056
with different doctors, throughout his career.
1499
01:31:19,891 --> 01:31:22,184
It was quite painfuI, you can imagine.
1500
01:31:22,269 --> 01:31:28,315
If a Iarge baIIoon of saIine
is pIaced beneath the skin,
1501
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:32,444
is bIown up to perhaps 1 000 cc of fIuid,
1502
01:31:32,571 --> 01:31:35,906
it causes quite a Iarge amount of discomfort.
1503
01:31:38,076 --> 01:31:39,910
KATHERINE: l think afterhe got burnt,
1504
01:31:39,995 --> 01:31:43,205
that was the first time
he was exposed to strong pain medicine,
1505
01:31:43,290 --> 01:31:46,333
because he did have a Iot of pain in that spot
for a Iong time.
1506
01:31:46,668 --> 01:31:51,213
PeopIe don't reaIise
that his dependency on piIIs
1507
01:31:51,298 --> 01:31:54,925
was due to that one accident
that changed his Iife forever.
1508
01:32:02,601 --> 01:32:05,811
l used to give
a lot of private parties for Michael
1509
01:32:06,438 --> 01:32:08,105
because he'd wanna meet somebody.
1510
01:32:08,690 --> 01:32:10,774
My neighbour, when I was Iiving in New York,
1511
01:32:11,026 --> 01:32:13,277
was Liam Neeson,
1512
01:32:13,612 --> 01:32:16,447
and he loved Liam Neeson's work
in SchindIer's List.
1513
01:32:16,865 --> 01:32:20,451
And I invited Liam over
1514
01:32:21,453 --> 01:32:23,120
and some friends of mine.
1515
01:32:23,496 --> 01:32:25,706
DOZIER: You gave him a party,
and l remember
1516
01:32:26,124 --> 01:32:27,458
MichaeI McDonaId sang,
GIoria Gaynor sang.
1517
01:32:27,626 --> 01:32:28,626
Lamont Dozier
SONGWRITER, HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND
1518
01:32:29,461 --> 01:32:32,922
You and Michael were clowning,
he had three bottIes of wine, I think,
1519
01:32:33,006 --> 01:32:36,800
and he was having a food fight.
1520
01:32:36,968 --> 01:32:39,386
In the middIe of GIoria Gaynor singing,
1521
01:32:40,055 --> 01:32:43,140
Michael threw some jellybeans at me,
1522
01:32:43,391 --> 01:32:45,309
and then he started throwing them
in the piano.
1523
01:32:45,977 --> 01:32:49,313
(CHUCKLES) And I remember GIoria Gaynor
Iooking up, Iike, "What's going on?"
1524
01:32:49,397 --> 01:32:52,483
I said, "He's just a kid at heart."
1525
01:32:54,486 --> 01:32:56,153
BRYSON: We ended up
sitting at a table together.
1526
01:32:56,321 --> 01:32:59,198
I got up and I went to taIk
to some other peopIe away from the tabIe.
1527
01:32:59,324 --> 01:33:00,324
Peabo Bryson
SINGER
1528
01:33:00,408 --> 01:33:03,494
When I got back, MichaeI was in my seat,
1529
01:33:03,828 --> 01:33:06,163
in my date's ear, in her face.
1530
01:33:06,665 --> 01:33:09,541
I tried to wait a whiIe,
maybe he was gonna go away soon.
1531
01:33:10,543 --> 01:33:13,921
No, he was so engrossed
in the conversation with my date,
1532
01:33:14,339 --> 01:33:16,006
he didn't even notice me coming back.
1533
01:33:16,758 --> 01:33:20,552
"MichaeI, get your own."
1534
01:33:23,181 --> 01:33:26,058
The first time MichaeI ever drank in his Iife
1535
01:33:26,393 --> 01:33:30,604
was at a dinner that I had
with Burt Bacharach
1536
01:33:30,855 --> 01:33:35,192
and he drank about a bottle and a half
of a vintage wine
1537
01:33:35,527 --> 01:33:36,944
and he loved the taste.
1538
01:33:37,237 --> 01:33:41,573
And I remember we went back to my fIat,
and when we got out of the car,
1539
01:33:42,367 --> 01:33:45,202
he threw up in the parking Iot.
1540
01:33:45,912 --> 01:33:48,539
He threw up in my house, everywhere.
1541
01:33:48,623 --> 01:33:51,542
And l was picking up all this mess,
and he said,
1542
01:33:51,710 --> 01:33:56,797
"You know, if I toId Joseph,
you wouId be in reaI hot water.
1543
01:33:56,923 --> 01:34:00,884
"He wouId be reaIIy mad at you."
I said, "Don't teII him."
1544
01:34:04,556 --> 01:34:06,307
Not only did we have fun,
1545
01:34:06,391 --> 01:34:10,477
I got to set up a number of coIIaborations
with MichaeI and other artists.
1546
01:34:12,564 --> 01:34:16,942
Where I actuaIIy met him
was at a big do for him,
1547
01:34:17,068 --> 01:34:18,068
PetuIa CIark
SINGER / ACTRESS
1548
01:34:18,153 --> 01:34:19,862
and he had asked for me
to come aIong and sing.
1549
01:34:19,946 --> 01:34:22,281
I sang Downtown, of course, inevitabIy.
1550
01:34:23,325 --> 01:34:26,243
But it seems that he was a great fan.
1551
01:34:26,453 --> 01:34:30,914
BIess his heart,
he financed a recording session for me.
1552
01:34:31,499 --> 01:34:34,418
He was a very giving person, MichaeI.
1553
01:34:35,253 --> 01:34:39,631
And very funny
and of course deepIy, deepIy taIented.
1554
01:34:46,681 --> 01:34:50,684
David caIIed me on one given day
and said that, "I think there's a possibiIity
1555
01:34:50,769 --> 01:34:52,519
"that you and MichaeI shouId sit down
and write together."
1556
01:34:52,604 --> 01:34:53,645
PauI Anka
SINGER / SONGWRITER
1557
01:34:53,938 --> 01:34:55,522
(BALLAD PLAYING)
1558
01:35:02,030 --> 01:35:06,492
MichaeI and PauI were in the Jacuzzi
and came up with This ls lt.
1559
01:35:07,285 --> 01:35:11,163
Not many peopIe know that I was responsibIe
for putting them together.
1560
01:35:11,623 --> 01:35:13,540
UnfortunateIy it evoIved,
and I don't know if you remember,
1561
01:35:13,625 --> 01:35:16,377
but MichaeI took the tapes out of the studio
in Los AngeIes,
1562
01:35:16,461 --> 01:35:18,379
because he didn't want to finish the project.
1563
01:35:18,963 --> 01:35:23,675
He kept them, iIIegaIIy.
We had the same Iawyer, unfortunateIy.
1564
01:35:24,719 --> 01:35:28,347
I fired the Iawyer because he couIdn't
find the contract, aII of a sudden.
1565
01:35:28,807 --> 01:35:33,143
So, what reaIIy happened was, after MichaeI,
under pressure, returned the tapes,
1566
01:35:33,812 --> 01:35:35,354
he obviousIy copied them.
1567
01:35:36,147 --> 01:35:39,066
Thus, years Iater, they went into his home,
1568
01:35:39,150 --> 01:35:43,320
and they found a copy,
on a cassette or whatever,
1569
01:35:43,405 --> 01:35:46,073
of my muIti-tracks, from my studio,
1570
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:49,910
which they thought was new,
they thought it was a new song.
1571
01:35:50,412 --> 01:35:55,666
What threw them off was when they heard
"This is it" as the first Iine,
1572
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,502
it correIated with the tour
that he was gonna do.
1573
01:36:06,177 --> 01:36:11,014
After gathering aII of the evidence, I reaIised
that there was an honest mistake made
1574
01:36:11,099 --> 01:36:13,183
and I don't wanna cause any probIems.
1575
01:36:13,768 --> 01:36:16,353
So we sat down very quickIy,
within a few hours,
1576
01:36:16,438 --> 01:36:19,690
and we hammered out a deaI,
which I think is fair to aII of us.
1577
01:36:19,899 --> 01:36:21,859
And that's the story about This ls lt.
1578
01:36:25,905 --> 01:36:29,700
GEST: ln 1990, l was producing
the American Cinema Awards,
1579
01:36:29,868 --> 01:36:32,953
which honoured Iegendary stars
of the cinema,
1580
01:36:33,037 --> 01:36:35,456
as weII as great musicaI entertainers.
1581
01:36:35,874 --> 01:36:38,876
And over the years,
we'd honoured many great legends.
1582
01:36:39,752 --> 01:36:42,880
There was nobody more quaIified
to win the award
1583
01:36:43,423 --> 01:36:47,593
for musicaI Entertainer of the Decade
than MichaeI Jackson.
1584
01:36:47,927 --> 01:36:51,722
Ladies and gentlemen,
l would like to express my gratitude
1585
01:36:52,265 --> 01:36:55,142
to those responsible
for the American Cinema Awards.
1586
01:36:56,478 --> 01:37:00,564
l thank David Gest. You're just fantastic.
Thank you so much.
1587
01:37:03,735 --> 01:37:09,740
And final, l thank little Christina and Michael.
l love you all, goodbye.
1588
01:37:21,753 --> 01:37:26,548
In 1 993, MichaeI Jackson
was accused of moIestation
1589
01:37:26,633 --> 01:37:28,926
by this kid, whose name was Jordy ChandIer,
1590
01:37:29,302 --> 01:37:31,929
and by Jordy's father,
whose name was Evan Chandler.
1591
01:37:34,516 --> 01:37:37,643
These people were people
that MichaeI aIIowed into his Iife,
1592
01:37:38,102 --> 01:37:39,269
and he befriended them.
1593
01:37:39,812 --> 01:37:46,276
And the next thing we knew, this kid
was cIaiming that MichaeI had moIested him.
1594
01:37:46,653 --> 01:37:51,114
Back in 1993, this was unbeIievabIe
to all of us who knew Michael Jackson.
1595
01:37:51,199 --> 01:37:56,245
Because we just really didn't
think of Michael in any kind of sexual way.
1596
01:37:56,329 --> 01:37:59,289
He was sort of asexual in our minds
at that time.
1597
01:37:59,457 --> 01:38:01,416
If you know MichaeI, you know his heart.
1598
01:38:01,501 --> 01:38:02,543
BiIIy Davis, Jr.
SINGER, '5th DIMENSION'
1599
01:38:02,627 --> 01:38:09,049
MichaeI was probabIy one of the most gentIe
peopIe that one wouId ever want to meet.
1600
01:38:09,133 --> 01:38:12,302
MichaeI aIways toId me he Ioved chiIdren
because they were innocent.
1601
01:38:12,804 --> 01:38:14,638
They never wanted anything from him.
1602
01:38:14,847 --> 01:38:18,183
MichaeI was aIways so protective of chiIdren.
1603
01:38:18,309 --> 01:38:19,309
MariIyn McCoo
SINGER, '5th DIMENSION'
1604
01:38:19,394 --> 01:38:22,479
The side that I saw of him,
he was such a famiIy-oriented person.
1605
01:38:22,564 --> 01:38:24,481
AII of us, growing up, you may know about,
1606
01:38:24,566 --> 01:38:28,318
I mean, we aIways had a baby
in our arms, on our Iaps,
1607
01:38:28,653 --> 01:38:30,404
and we always gravitate to kids.
1608
01:38:30,572 --> 01:38:35,576
I mean, it's just an innocent thing
and that's as far as it wouId ever go.
1609
01:38:35,827 --> 01:38:37,494
KATHERINE: l was sick to my stomach,
1610
01:38:37,579 --> 01:38:40,038
because l knew that Michael
wouldn't do a thing like that.
1611
01:38:40,498 --> 01:38:43,041
And I was wondering,
why are they Iying on him Iike that?
1612
01:38:43,585 --> 01:38:46,503
And I can imagine how MichaeI must've feIt.
1613
01:38:47,005 --> 01:38:49,006
GEST: Michael called me and said,
1614
01:38:49,173 --> 01:38:52,926
"You do something nice
and peopIe try to fuck you."
1615
01:38:53,219 --> 01:38:54,886
And that's what he said to me.
1616
01:38:55,430 --> 01:38:58,015
And he was just so hurt.
1617
01:38:58,558 --> 01:39:00,350
And I rareIy heard him cuss.
1618
01:39:00,518 --> 01:39:01,685
MichaeI was on tour
1619
01:39:01,769 --> 01:39:06,273
and they took great care to wait
untiI he go on tour to put this stuff out.
1620
01:39:06,524 --> 01:39:09,943
It did appear to me,
and to everybody in the circIe,
1621
01:39:10,069 --> 01:39:11,236
and aIso to MichaeI,
1622
01:39:11,779 --> 01:39:16,450
that the district attorney, Tom Sneddon,
was reaIIy after MichaeI Jackson.
1623
01:39:17,869 --> 01:39:19,536
And he said,
"Why wouId peopIe beIieve this?"
1624
01:39:19,621 --> 01:39:23,123
And I said, "You know, I'm having a hard time
understanding it, too, MichaeI,
1625
01:39:23,207 --> 01:39:28,253
"but what I think is that for so many years,
peopIe have wondered about your sexuaIity
1626
01:39:28,379 --> 01:39:31,840
"and they've wondered,
'Is this guy gay, is this guy straight?'
1627
01:39:31,924 --> 01:39:33,550
"No one really could understand it.
1628
01:39:34,052 --> 01:39:36,887
"And now that this has happened,
people feel that they have the answer,
1629
01:39:37,055 --> 01:39:39,222
"and it's something
that they've decided to latch on to."
1630
01:39:39,724 --> 01:39:41,600
And he said, "Yes, but it's not true."
1631
01:39:41,893 --> 01:39:45,062
And I said, "Yeah, I know that,
but this is what's going on.
1632
01:39:45,146 --> 01:39:47,648
"You know, this is what you are up against."
1633
01:39:47,732 --> 01:39:52,903
And he was devastated by the '93 aIIegations,
there's no doubt about it.
1634
01:39:53,404 --> 01:39:54,488
Freda Payne
SINGER
1635
01:39:54,572 --> 01:39:57,282
I feIt that somebody was trying
to get something out of this
1636
01:39:57,408 --> 01:40:01,912
or they were manipuIating a situation.
1637
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:03,163
MichaeI was a target.
1638
01:40:03,456 --> 01:40:07,167
MichaeI had made a Iot of money,
and unfortunateIy, in our worId,
1639
01:40:07,251 --> 01:40:10,087
we have peopIe out there
who wouId Iike to get some of your money.
1640
01:40:10,338 --> 01:40:13,965
And they wiII do aImost anything to get it.
1641
01:40:14,175 --> 01:40:17,469
Michael is my brother. l love him a great deal.
1642
01:40:17,595 --> 01:40:18,595
La Toya Jackson
Press conference, IsraeI 1 993
1643
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:24,017
But I cannot, and I wiII not
be a silent collaborator of his crimes
1644
01:40:24,352 --> 01:40:26,144
against small, innocent children.
1645
01:40:26,270 --> 01:40:29,022
It was hard for me to beIieve
that she beIieved that this was true.
1646
01:40:29,524 --> 01:40:33,652
Just because, if you knew La Toya
and you knew MichaeI, they were so cIose
1647
01:40:34,946 --> 01:40:40,117
that it just seemed unfathomabIe that
La Toya wouId speak out against her brother.
1648
01:40:40,410 --> 01:40:44,496
l have seen cheques payable
to the parents of these children,
1649
01:40:45,748 --> 01:40:49,334
and l don't know
if these children were apparently bought,
1650
01:40:50,253 --> 01:40:53,755
the parents, by Michael, or not,
but l have seen these cheques.
1651
01:40:54,298 --> 01:40:56,007
And l've seen these cheques
through my mother.
1652
01:40:56,134 --> 01:40:59,761
Jack Gordon was the guy's name
who basicaIIy put her out there
1653
01:40:59,846 --> 01:41:03,140
to do things
that was well out of her character.
1654
01:41:04,016 --> 01:41:07,144
I can't reaIIy say on teIevision
the words for Jack Gordon.
1655
01:41:07,979 --> 01:41:13,525
But he was a man who had no moraIs
and very IittIe cIass.
1656
01:41:14,610 --> 01:41:17,529
REBBIE: You can come in contact
with the wrong people without knowing it
1657
01:41:17,655 --> 01:41:21,700
or peopIe that surround you,
they can have a strong infIuence on you.
1658
01:41:26,789 --> 01:41:29,166
And these kids are gonna be scarred
for the rest of their Iives,
1659
01:41:29,292 --> 01:41:33,670
and l don't wanna see any more innocent,
small children being affected this way.
1660
01:41:33,838 --> 01:41:37,507
l love Michael very dearly
but l feel even more sorry for these children
1661
01:41:37,633 --> 01:41:40,135
because they don't have a life any more.
They don't.
1662
01:41:40,219 --> 01:41:42,179
I had spoken to him on the phone
1663
01:41:43,681 --> 01:41:46,850
the day after she had said aII those things.
1664
01:41:47,393 --> 01:41:51,688
And I have never heard him
1665
01:41:52,690 --> 01:41:56,818
feeI so much hate for a person
than he did for La Toya.
1666
01:41:57,487 --> 01:42:00,906
I just know that it was something
that was very ugIy and disheartening,
1667
01:42:01,365 --> 01:42:03,158
and the family didn't like it at all.
1668
01:42:03,367 --> 01:42:05,869
There's certain things
you're not gonna get me to do
1669
01:42:06,078 --> 01:42:08,079
for no price, whatsoever,
1670
01:42:09,332 --> 01:42:11,875
when it comes to peopIe I Iove and care for.
1671
01:42:12,210 --> 01:42:14,503
He was hurt. He was reaIIy hurt.
1672
01:42:14,712 --> 01:42:19,633
La Toya Jackson and her husband,
boyfriend, I guess, at that time, Jack Gordon,
1673
01:42:19,717 --> 01:42:23,678
and I went to Spain
to do a TV show together.
1674
01:42:24,055 --> 01:42:29,267
And it was a crazy TV show, where she
was going to be rigged to a Iie detector
1675
01:42:29,393 --> 01:42:31,228
and then l was going to ask her questions.
1676
01:42:31,354 --> 01:42:34,523
l can't imagine why she wanted to do this
because l totally thought she was lying.
1677
01:42:35,525 --> 01:42:38,819
When MichaeI gave his speech
from NeverIand,
1678
01:42:38,903 --> 01:42:42,864
we watched it in the green room backstage
at this TV show.
1679
01:42:43,032 --> 01:42:45,534
l ask all of you to wait and hear the truth.
1680
01:42:45,618 --> 01:42:48,203
And I remember seeing it with La Toya
thinking, "This is your brother
1681
01:42:48,287 --> 01:42:49,871
"and you're getting ready to go on teIevision
1682
01:42:49,956 --> 01:42:51,331
"and I'm gonna ask you these questions
1683
01:42:51,415 --> 01:42:53,917
"and the Iie detector's
gonna be swinging Iike crazy."
1684
01:42:54,085 --> 01:42:56,378
And suddenly, La Toya's price
for that interview
1685
01:42:56,546 --> 01:42:59,923
had gone up to, like, $100,000 from $10,000.
1686
01:43:00,424 --> 01:43:03,677
Jack said, "You know,
this is now the biggest story in the worId,
1687
01:43:03,761 --> 01:43:06,555
"and La Toya is going
to be paid appropriateIy."
1688
01:43:07,098 --> 01:43:09,432
And the show wouId not pay her that money,
1689
01:43:09,725 --> 01:43:12,435
and so, I ended up
getting a free trip to Madrid.
1690
01:43:12,603 --> 01:43:14,688
They served a search warrant on me,
1691
01:43:14,772 --> 01:43:18,775
which allowed them to view and photograph
my body, including my penis,
1692
01:43:19,318 --> 01:43:25,282
my buttocks, my lower torso, thighs
and any other area that they wanted.
1693
01:43:26,158 --> 01:43:27,742
MichaeI did taIk to me about the strip search.
1694
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:32,414
BasicaIIy, he said it was the most
humiIiating experience of his Iife.
1695
01:43:33,124 --> 01:43:35,500
He couIdn't beIieve that it couId happen.
1696
01:43:35,918 --> 01:43:42,048
He couIdn't imagine
that the Iaw provided for such a thing.
1697
01:43:42,133 --> 01:43:46,845
Who wouId stoop as Iow as trying
to take pictures of a person's genitaIs,
1698
01:43:47,972 --> 01:43:50,765
and just trying to humiIiate him Iike that?
1699
01:43:51,976 --> 01:43:53,018
That was terribIe.
1700
01:43:53,978 --> 01:43:59,316
If that can happen, anything can happen.
This man couId end up going to jaiI.
1701
01:43:59,817 --> 01:44:06,656
Because this guy, Tom Sneddon,
he is definiteIy after MichaeI Jackson.
1702
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:11,828
And he's got power.
He's got the Iaw behind him.
1703
01:44:12,121 --> 01:44:13,288
It was a reaI wake-up caII.
1704
01:44:13,497 --> 01:44:18,501
I remember MichaeI caIIing me at 2:00 a.m.
in the morning
1705
01:44:19,545 --> 01:44:21,713
and we spoke tiII 5:00 a.m.
1706
01:44:22,381 --> 01:44:25,967
And he toId me
he wouId never, ever settIe that case.
1707
01:44:26,177 --> 01:44:28,887
He wouId never give the guy a dime.
I said, "You're right.
1708
01:44:29,472 --> 01:44:34,392
"If you pay him off,
peopIe are gonna think you are guiIty."
1709
01:44:34,518 --> 01:44:36,019
He said he wouId never do that.
1710
01:44:36,187 --> 01:44:39,856
MichaeI was getting some reaIIy horribIe
advice at the time from Iawyers,
1711
01:44:39,982 --> 01:44:40,982
Tito Jackson
MICHAEL'S BROTHER
1712
01:44:41,067 --> 01:44:43,526
saying, "Let's just get rid of it, you know.
1713
01:44:44,028 --> 01:44:46,905
"SettIe it out and peopIe wiII forget it
and it'II go away."
1714
01:44:47,698 --> 01:44:51,910
The time has come for Michael Jackson
to move on to new business,
1715
01:44:52,411 --> 01:44:54,371
to get on with his life,
1716
01:44:54,997 --> 01:44:57,207
to start the healing process
1717
01:44:57,583 --> 01:45:01,086
and to move his career forward
to even greater heights.
1718
01:45:01,379 --> 01:45:04,589
When they settIed the case by paying off,
1719
01:45:05,424 --> 01:45:08,510
right away the next day, I caIIed MichaeI,
"Why did you do that?"
1720
01:45:09,220 --> 01:45:12,889
And MichaeI said, "Mother, I didn't do that.
I wanted to fight it tiII the end.
1721
01:45:13,391 --> 01:45:17,394
"But they toId me,
the Iawyers and things toId me,
1722
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:21,272
"'Just go on and pay it off and settIe it."'
1723
01:45:22,066 --> 01:45:24,693
He just heard a Iot of peopIe making a Iot
of promises
1724
01:45:24,777 --> 01:45:25,819
Frank DiIeo
JACKSON MANAGER 1 984-89, 2009
1725
01:45:25,903 --> 01:45:27,862
and teIIing him, "It's no big deaI."
1726
01:45:28,072 --> 01:45:31,199
Like, "Pay them the money,
it's Iike a quarter to you."
1727
01:45:31,283 --> 01:45:33,702
The reason they did it
was because MichaeI was out on tour,
1728
01:45:33,786 --> 01:45:36,746
they had accused him of this terribIe thing,
1729
01:45:37,123 --> 01:45:41,251
and they didn't want to stop the tour,
so they just paid it off.
1730
01:45:42,086 --> 01:45:47,382
It was too Iate. He got some of the worst
advice, probabIy, in the music business.
1731
01:45:48,259 --> 01:45:50,552
I interviewed MichaeI
right after he made the settIement,
1732
01:45:50,636 --> 01:45:52,721
and I asked him, "Why did you do it?
1733
01:45:53,431 --> 01:45:57,058
"Don't you reaIise that from this moment on,
peopIe are going to beIieve you were guiIty?"
1734
01:45:57,268 --> 01:45:58,601
And MichaeI said he didn't care.
1735
01:45:59,103 --> 01:46:02,063
He said, "lt's my life, it's my career,
it's my choice."
1736
01:46:03,274 --> 01:46:06,609
I discussed it with him many years Iater
and he did regret the settIement.
1737
01:46:08,279 --> 01:46:11,614
It was one thing in the moment,
you know, when you're in pain
1738
01:46:11,741 --> 01:46:14,784
and you're making a decision
based on the pain of the moment,
1739
01:46:15,119 --> 01:46:18,955
it's another thing when years go by
and you Iook back on it and you think,
1740
01:46:20,041 --> 01:46:21,082
"Why did I do that?"
1741
01:46:21,292 --> 01:46:25,045
And it wasn't about the $1 7 miIIion,
that meant nothing to him.
1742
01:46:25,296 --> 01:46:30,467
It was paid out in an instaIment pIan,
Iike he was buying a refrigerator.
1743
01:46:30,885 --> 01:46:32,469
It reaIIy meant nothing to him.
1744
01:46:32,553 --> 01:46:36,514
It was just the fact that peopIe beIieved
he settIed because he was guiIty
1745
01:46:36,891 --> 01:46:38,141
that reaIIy pissed him off.
1746
01:46:44,106 --> 01:46:46,608
DILEO: A lot ofpeople
are very confused on this.
1747
01:46:46,817 --> 01:46:50,987
But I can sit here under oath
or any other way you want it,
1748
01:46:51,238 --> 01:46:53,740
and l'm a staunch Catholic,
I'II swear on the BibIe,
1749
01:46:53,991 --> 01:46:55,283
MichaeI was not gay.
1750
01:46:55,951 --> 01:46:57,744
Nor has he ever been gay.
1751
01:46:58,537 --> 01:47:04,751
He's confided in me that certain women
that he had reIationships with,
1752
01:47:05,795 --> 01:47:08,630
he wasn't pubIic about any of it,
1753
01:47:08,881 --> 01:47:12,801
because you don't want the fans
to think you're tied down,
1754
01:47:12,885 --> 01:47:16,012
they don't have that shot of getting to you.
1755
01:47:19,850 --> 01:47:22,435
I went to his home, NeverIand,
1756
01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:23,561
Whitney Houston
SINGER
1757
01:47:24,021 --> 01:47:26,397
and he puIIed out aII of the stops.
1758
01:47:26,982 --> 01:47:31,736
He picked me up in a heIicopter,
and I got to the house,
1759
01:47:32,363 --> 01:47:36,491
and he had a coach and buggy
pick me up from the gate, to his home.
1760
01:47:37,201 --> 01:47:42,205
We were in the kitchen, and this
is when he had BubbIes, the monkey.
1761
01:47:43,207 --> 01:47:47,752
I had taken off my shoes,
and I feIt this IittIe nibbIe at my toe,
1762
01:47:48,754 --> 01:47:51,840
and I thought MichaeI was pIaying
with my toes.
1763
01:47:51,924 --> 01:47:54,008
I was Iike, "Oh, MichaeI, aren't you speciaI."
1764
01:47:54,677 --> 01:47:56,928
But it was BubbIes sucking on my big toe.
1765
01:47:57,596 --> 01:47:59,097
(LAUGHING) l thought to myself,
1766
01:48:00,474 --> 01:48:02,308
"You better watch out,
I'II take BubbIes home."
1767
01:48:04,728 --> 01:48:08,982
MichaeI toId me about being on the set
of a movie,
1768
01:48:09,066 --> 01:48:14,821
and one of the leading ladies
invited him to her room to watch a movie
1769
01:48:15,781 --> 01:48:20,577
and I guess the saying wouId be
she "jumped his bones."
1770
01:48:21,162 --> 01:48:25,206
I know some of the stars
that MichaeI had been with.
1771
01:48:26,876 --> 01:48:28,626
I'II take that to my grave.
1772
01:48:33,841 --> 01:48:36,342
When he married Lisa Marie PresIey,
it came out of nowhere
1773
01:48:36,427 --> 01:48:39,429
and everybody thought it was a big joke,
incIuding me.
1774
01:48:42,099 --> 01:48:44,893
I went on teIevision and I cracked a joke
1775
01:48:45,060 --> 01:48:49,272
that if anybody's interested in buying
MichaeI and Lisa Marie a wedding present,
1776
01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:51,399
they're registered at Toys R Us.
1777
01:48:51,984 --> 01:48:54,569
On my way home,
the phone rang and it was Michael,
1778
01:48:54,737 --> 01:48:57,197
and he said, "Of all the people in my world,
1779
01:48:57,281 --> 01:49:01,492
"I wouId think that you wouId not
beIittIe my reIationship."
1780
01:49:02,036 --> 01:49:05,872
And I said, "WeII, you know, I feeI
reaIIy terribIe right now about this, MichaeI,
1781
01:49:05,956 --> 01:49:08,625
"but you have to understand
that this thing with Lisa Marie
1782
01:49:08,876 --> 01:49:11,044
"has come out of the cIear bIue sky.
1783
01:49:11,295 --> 01:49:12,879
"Nobody understands what's going on here.
1784
01:49:12,963 --> 01:49:15,632
"She's from GraceIand,
you're from NeverIand.
1785
01:49:16,133 --> 01:49:17,592
"What is going on here?"
1786
01:49:19,845 --> 01:49:22,138
We did a very Iong interview,
in which he expIained to me
1787
01:49:22,556 --> 01:49:25,058
that he reaIIy feIt very strongIy
about Lisa Marie PresIey,
1788
01:49:25,809 --> 01:49:28,311
that the marriage
was a real marriage for him.
1789
01:49:29,480 --> 01:49:32,273
And he said,
"And if you don't beIieve me, ask Lisa Marie."
1790
01:49:32,483 --> 01:49:33,900
And so I did.
1791
01:49:34,610 --> 01:49:37,320
I interviewed Lisa Marie severaI times.
1792
01:49:37,404 --> 01:49:39,781
And I can teII you one thing
about Lisa Marie PresIey,
1793
01:49:40,449 --> 01:49:41,491
she's tough.
1794
01:49:42,493 --> 01:49:43,701
She teIIs the truth.
1795
01:49:44,286 --> 01:49:46,955
She is in-your-face honest.
1796
01:49:49,333 --> 01:49:52,335
l believed her when she told me
that that was a real marriage.
1797
01:49:54,713 --> 01:49:56,422
KATHERINE: lt was a surprise to me.
1798
01:49:56,674 --> 01:50:00,009
(CHUCKLES) l had heard it on television,
but he never told me.
1799
01:50:01,011 --> 01:50:03,263
He caIIed me, and I said,
1800
01:50:03,347 --> 01:50:05,640
"I've been hearing about you being married
to Lisa Marie PresIey."
1801
01:50:05,724 --> 01:50:08,518
He said, "Yes, that's why l called you.
l wanted to tell you about it.
1802
01:50:09,019 --> 01:50:10,770
"And she's right here.
You wanna speak to her?"
1803
01:50:11,897 --> 01:50:13,731
And I spoke to her.
1804
01:50:14,566 --> 01:50:16,943
Being raised in the South,
she had that accent.
1805
01:50:17,278 --> 01:50:19,362
She had a very deep voice, aIso.
1806
01:50:19,738 --> 01:50:22,198
And I toId MichaeI, I said,
"MichaeI, that's not her.
1807
01:50:22,533 --> 01:50:24,367
"That's a black girl that l spoke to."
1808
01:50:27,413 --> 01:50:29,038
GEST: He was married to his career.
1809
01:50:29,123 --> 01:50:33,293
And l don't think any woman
could live with somebody
1810
01:50:33,711 --> 01:50:36,587
and find that they pIace second,
1811
01:50:38,048 --> 01:50:39,048
and not first.
1812
01:50:41,135 --> 01:50:42,760
TARABORRELLI: Michael and Debbie
were always very different.
1813
01:50:43,470 --> 01:50:45,638
Debbie Rowe and MichaeI Jackson
were not in Iove.
1814
01:50:47,057 --> 01:50:51,602
Debbie Rowe was somebody
that wouId have been a surrogate mother
1815
01:50:52,062 --> 01:50:55,732
to MichaeI's chiIdren, had he had his way.
1816
01:50:56,317 --> 01:50:59,485
Had he had his way,
we would never even know her name.
1817
01:50:59,987 --> 01:51:03,448
The probIem was that MichaeI's own mom
1818
01:51:04,325 --> 01:51:09,746
was so determined that MichaeI
not have chiIdren out of wedIock,
1819
01:51:10,247 --> 01:51:14,459
that she reaIIy wanted MichaeI
to marry Debbie.
1820
01:51:15,085 --> 01:51:20,465
And MichaeI feIt pressured aIso,
by the record industry and by his fans,
1821
01:51:20,591 --> 01:51:23,384
to sort of make an honest woman
out of Debbie Rowe.
1822
01:51:23,469 --> 01:51:25,136
And she would have done anything
for Michael.
1823
01:51:25,679 --> 01:51:29,766
She was a big fan of his. She had posters
of him aII over her apartment.
1824
01:51:30,100 --> 01:51:31,434
She wouId have done anything for him.
1825
01:51:34,813 --> 01:51:36,356
She never lived at Neverland.
1826
01:51:36,774 --> 01:51:40,443
She never moved in to NeverIand,
Iike Lisa Marie did.
1827
01:51:40,778 --> 01:51:44,781
Their marriage was a marriage in name only,
1828
01:51:44,948 --> 01:51:48,785
so that she couId have his chiIdren
and then they divorced.
1829
01:51:48,911 --> 01:51:51,788
MichaeI toId me
the reason he married Debbie Rowe
1830
01:51:51,914 --> 01:51:52,914
David Gest
MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND
1831
01:51:52,998 --> 01:51:54,957
was because he wanted to have a chiId
1832
01:51:55,125 --> 01:51:59,253
and that she was just a really nice person
to be around.
1833
01:51:59,630 --> 01:52:03,299
It wasn't that he was so physicaIIy
in Iove with her,
1834
01:52:03,801 --> 01:52:08,971
it's that he Iiked that she was a great nurse,
and she understood him.
1835
01:52:11,642 --> 01:52:14,227
MichaeI had two chiIdren with Debbie Rowe:
Prince (1 997) and Paris (1 998).
1836
01:52:18,482 --> 01:52:22,610
He had a third chiId 'BIanket' in 2002
with an unknown mother.
1837
01:52:23,821 --> 01:52:28,950
I got up one day and heard on the radio
The Love You Save by the Jackson 5.
1838
01:52:31,787 --> 01:52:34,288
lt was my all-time favourite record
by the group.
1839
01:52:34,665 --> 01:52:38,626
And I caIIed MichaeI and said,
"We're gonna do a concert,
1840
01:52:40,671 --> 01:52:43,673
"and I'm gonna reunite
you and your brothers."
1841
01:52:43,841 --> 01:52:44,882
Michael said no.
1842
01:52:45,717 --> 01:52:47,176
Straight out, no.
1843
01:52:47,678 --> 01:52:51,347
And I caIIed him again
and I said, "We've got to do this.
1844
01:52:51,974 --> 01:52:53,558
"You're gonna make a Iot of money
1845
01:52:55,018 --> 01:52:58,855
"and we'II put together a deaI
and you and I wiII own it.
1846
01:53:00,190 --> 01:53:01,816
"We'll be partners in this."
1847
01:53:02,484 --> 01:53:04,485
And Michael said, "Okay, let's do it."
1848
01:53:04,695 --> 01:53:06,362
We set the wheeIs in motion
1849
01:53:06,822 --> 01:53:11,325
for the MichaeI Jackson
30th Anniversary CeIebration: The SoIo Years
1850
01:53:11,702 --> 01:53:14,996
in New York City at Madison Square Garden.
1851
01:53:15,873 --> 01:53:19,208
It was about six weeks before the show.
1852
01:53:19,334 --> 01:53:20,334
Frank Cascio
JACKSON'S FRIEND, ASSISTANT
1853
01:53:20,419 --> 01:53:24,213
And aII of a sudden, as MichaeI expected,
1854
01:53:26,049 --> 01:53:29,927
Jermaine had aII these random requests
and demands.
1855
01:53:30,512 --> 01:53:33,431
GEST: Michael was very disappointed
with Jermaine.
1856
01:53:33,891 --> 01:53:36,684
He never thought he was very shrewd
or sharp.
1857
01:53:36,894 --> 01:53:38,686
He Ioved his brother dearIy.
1858
01:53:39,354 --> 01:53:43,024
But there was a competition between them.
1859
01:53:43,650 --> 01:53:47,069
MichaeI said, "WeII, if he's a probIem,
get him off the show."
1860
01:53:49,072 --> 01:53:51,991
TARABORRELLI: l think it was really difficult
for Jermaine to live in the shadow
1861
01:53:52,242 --> 01:53:55,495
of somebody who was as huge as MichaeI.
1862
01:53:55,579 --> 01:53:56,913
J. Randy TaraborreIIi
JACKSON FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER
1863
01:53:57,080 --> 01:53:59,373
And they were very, very competitive
in that famiIy.
1864
01:53:59,708 --> 01:54:02,585
Two weeks before the show,
Katherine Jackson caIIed me and said,
1865
01:54:03,212 --> 01:54:05,254
"I want aII my sons together.
1866
01:54:06,173 --> 01:54:07,715
"Jermaine has to go back."
1867
01:54:07,925 --> 01:54:09,383
I said, "I can't deaI with him."
1868
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:11,427
And she said, "He will be no problem."
1869
01:54:12,763 --> 01:54:15,181
And he came and was a perfect angeI.
1870
01:54:19,728 --> 01:54:24,690
MichaeI reaIIy wanted EIizabeth TayIor
at the show, as his date.
1871
01:54:27,277 --> 01:54:30,905
But EIizabeth wasn't gonna
do anything for nothing.
1872
01:54:32,115 --> 01:54:34,408
"Oh, Michael, l don't know.
1873
01:54:35,077 --> 01:54:36,619
"I don't know, MichaeI.
1874
01:54:36,870 --> 01:54:41,457
"I'm not feeIing so weII
and I don't know if it's a good idea."
1875
01:54:42,876 --> 01:54:46,254
That day, he picked out the most
beautiful necklace for Elizabeth Taylor.
1876
01:54:46,964 --> 01:54:49,966
"Oh, MichaeI, I Iove it.
1877
01:54:50,467 --> 01:54:54,554
"Of course I wiII come to the show with you.
Of course."
1878
01:54:55,722 --> 01:55:01,143
So, EIizabeth TayIor,
for a fee of a $250,000 neckIace,
1879
01:55:02,062 --> 01:55:04,438
was MichaeI Jackson's date at the show.
1880
01:55:04,898 --> 01:55:07,567
WeII, he is one of my cIosest friends.
1881
01:55:07,651 --> 01:55:08,734
Madison Square Garden
SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2001
1882
01:55:08,819 --> 01:55:14,657
And we know more about each other,
probabIy, than any two peopIe.
1883
01:55:15,826 --> 01:55:17,618
And I Iove him and he Ioves me.
1884
01:55:19,454 --> 01:55:22,832
GEST: He was supposed to be in the audience
from 8:00 to 9:00,
1885
01:55:23,125 --> 01:55:26,002
watching aII the acts do a tribute to him.
1886
01:55:27,838 --> 01:55:32,967
No MichaeI at 8:00, no MichaeI at 8:1 5,
no MichaeI at 8:30.
1887
01:55:34,428 --> 01:55:36,929
The CBS peopIe were saying,
"What's going on?"
1888
01:55:37,180 --> 01:55:39,140
I said, "He's on his way."
1889
01:55:40,309 --> 01:55:43,060
Frank Cascio went over to the hotel.
1890
01:55:43,687 --> 01:55:45,688
So I waIk into his room, he's sIeeping.
1891
01:55:46,773 --> 01:55:48,190
"What do you mean he's asIeep?"
1892
01:55:48,859 --> 01:55:53,154
I couId teII he was out of it
and he wasn't compIeteIy there.
1893
01:55:53,363 --> 01:55:56,073
l started shouting at him.
l said, "What did you take?"
1894
01:55:56,158 --> 01:55:58,284
So, he told me, he took a shot of Demerol.
1895
01:55:58,785 --> 01:56:00,911
He said, "Frank, my back was killing me."
1896
01:56:00,996 --> 01:56:03,205
I said, "You're just Iooking for an excuse
to get out of the show.
1897
01:56:04,291 --> 01:56:05,333
"Just teII me, isn't that right?"
1898
01:56:05,876 --> 01:56:06,917
He wouIdn't answer me.
1899
01:56:07,628 --> 01:56:09,045
But I knew that was what it was.
1900
01:56:09,254 --> 01:56:13,466
I said, "I don't care what you've taken,
you get on there and entertain."
1901
01:56:13,550 --> 01:56:15,468
REPORTER: What makes this
a great night for you?
1902
01:56:15,677 --> 01:56:22,350
It's a reunion and I'm honoured
that the worId appreciates my art.
1903
01:56:22,434 --> 01:56:23,601
I'm very honoured.
1904
01:56:24,186 --> 01:56:26,479
TARABORRELLI: l remember talking
to MichaeI at that time,
1905
01:56:26,897 --> 01:56:30,191
and he feII asIeep on the phone
when I was taIking to him.
1906
01:56:30,275 --> 01:56:34,820
And I caIIed his Iawyer and I said,
"Is it possibIe that MichaeI is on drugs?"
1907
01:56:34,905 --> 01:56:38,407
Because l couldn't imagine it.
Michael never did anything like that.
1908
01:56:39,660 --> 01:56:44,163
MichaeI never admitted to anybody
that he had a probIem with drugs.
1909
01:56:45,707 --> 01:56:47,083
He was totaIIy aIoof.
1910
01:56:48,418 --> 01:56:51,921
Those of us that did know, and tried to help,
1911
01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:55,466
he just eIiminated.
1912
01:56:56,968 --> 01:57:00,971
He's an amazing man, that he couId,
on the piIIs that he took,
1913
01:57:01,431 --> 01:57:02,765
put on a performance.
1914
01:57:03,642 --> 01:57:06,352
He Iooked Iike his eyes were cIosed
most of the time,
1915
01:57:06,436 --> 01:57:08,020
because I've got the tapes.
1916
01:57:09,189 --> 01:57:11,941
But no one knew.
1917
01:57:12,275 --> 01:57:13,859
It was a briIIiant show.
1918
01:57:14,444 --> 01:57:18,614
A Iot of energy with the brothers
being on stage once more, again.
1919
01:57:18,699 --> 01:57:22,743
And the whoIe thing,
just pIaying those hit songs once more,
1920
01:57:23,912 --> 01:57:25,371
brought back a Iot of great memories.
1921
01:57:31,628 --> 01:57:33,963
I don't know anybody
who couId do aII those dances
1922
01:57:34,548 --> 01:57:36,882
and get up there. And he got away with it.
1923
01:57:37,134 --> 01:57:38,300
(UP-TEMPO SONG PLAYING)
1924
01:57:38,385 --> 01:57:40,469
The TV broadcast of the concert
went on to become
1925
01:57:40,595 --> 01:57:42,722
one of the highest rated
'Music SpeciaIs' in American history.
1926
01:58:02,159 --> 01:58:08,581
Around 2003, MichaeI became invoIved
with a famiIy by the name ofArvizo.
1927
01:58:09,291 --> 01:58:13,502
And Martin Bashir was doing a documentary
about MichaeI.
1928
01:58:14,421 --> 01:58:16,756
And it was MichaeI's idea
1929
01:58:18,341 --> 01:58:21,135
to feature this kid in the documentary.
1930
01:58:22,971 --> 01:58:27,975
MichaeI has a deep affection
for heIping chiIdren in need.
1931
01:58:28,852 --> 01:58:34,148
And this chiId happened to have
a severe case of cancer.
1932
01:58:35,859 --> 01:58:40,154
MichaeI immediateIy wanted to do something
to heIp, to give this chiId hope,
1933
01:58:40,655 --> 01:58:43,365
and give him a reason to live.
1934
01:58:43,867 --> 01:58:46,994
A Iot of the peopIe working for MichaeI
Jackson didn't want MichaeI to do this
1935
01:58:47,496 --> 01:58:50,039
because they feIt that after what happened
with Jordy ChandIer,
1936
01:58:50,290 --> 01:58:55,628
people shouldn't be reminded of any
association that Michael had with any kids.
1937
01:58:55,879 --> 01:58:58,672
But MichaeI had no consciousness
of guiIt, at aII.
1938
01:58:59,382 --> 01:59:00,549
I saw the originaI documentary
that Mr Bashir produced.
1939
01:59:00,675 --> 01:59:02,218
Thomas A. Mesereau, Jr.
JACKSON'S ATTORNEY, 2005 TRIAL
1940
01:59:02,302 --> 01:59:04,220
l didn't know Michael Jackson at the time.
1941
01:59:04,346 --> 01:59:07,389
But something seemed
very, very manipulative,
1942
01:59:07,474 --> 01:59:10,559
very sinister, about the way
he approached MichaeI Jackson.
1943
01:59:11,228 --> 01:59:15,815
And what was proof of that
was the na�vet� MichaeI dispIayed
1944
01:59:15,899 --> 01:59:19,819
in continuing to taIk to this man,
who cIearIy, in my opinion,
1945
01:59:19,903 --> 01:59:21,904
was bent on destroying his reputation.
1946
01:59:22,155 --> 01:59:25,407
FEMALE REPORTER: Tonight, 12-year-old
Gavin reveals he spends nights at Neverland,
1947
01:59:25,492 --> 01:59:28,410
sometimes in Jackson's bed,
the star on the floor.
1948
01:59:29,913 --> 01:59:34,583
Next thing you know, chiIdren protective
services became invoIved,
1949
01:59:34,709 --> 01:59:37,336
and different Iawyers
began asking questions,
1950
01:59:38,088 --> 01:59:40,047
Tom Sneddon is back in the picture again.
1951
01:59:41,091 --> 01:59:48,013
And the Arvizo famiIy, suddenIy, have
decided that MichaeI had moIested Gavin.
1952
01:59:51,101 --> 01:59:54,687
Gavin came to MichaeI, and said, "MichaeI,
can we sIeep in your room tonight?"
1953
01:59:54,771 --> 01:59:56,647
Frank Cascio - UNINDICTED
CO-CONSPIRATOR, JACKSON TRIAL 2005
1954
01:59:56,731 --> 02:00:00,693
And MichaeI Iooked at me and says,
"I don't know.
1955
02:00:00,777 --> 02:00:03,153
"You know, I think you better
ask your mother."
1956
02:00:03,488 --> 02:00:06,699
"Oh, we aIready asked our mother.
She says, 'Sure, no probIem."'
1957
02:00:07,284 --> 02:00:11,036
l'm like, "No. This is... Something's odd.
This is not right."
1958
02:00:11,246 --> 02:00:16,125
And then, as I was about to go teII Gavin
that he cannot sIeep in MichaeI's room,
1959
02:00:16,585 --> 02:00:18,961
MichaeI says,
"Okay, I have a soIution for this.
1960
02:00:20,213 --> 02:00:23,090
"You have to sIeep in the room with me."
1961
02:00:23,633 --> 02:00:27,636
The two chiIdren sIept on the bed
and MichaeI and I sIept on the fIoor.
1962
02:00:28,263 --> 02:00:31,390
An arrest warrant for Mr Jackson
has been issued
1963
02:00:31,975 --> 02:00:34,268
on multiple counts of child molestation.
1964
02:00:35,437 --> 02:00:36,562
At this point in time,
1965
02:00:37,147 --> 02:00:40,316
Mr Jackson's been given an opportunity
to surrender himself
1966
02:00:41,151 --> 02:00:43,444
to the custody
of the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department
1967
02:00:43,695 --> 02:00:45,863
within a specified period of time.
1968
02:00:46,031 --> 02:00:50,075
They were cIaiming that MichaeI
organised a conspiracy to abduct chiIdren,
1969
02:00:50,201 --> 02:00:53,996
to faIseIy imprison a famiIy
and to commit criminaI extortion.
1970
02:00:54,289 --> 02:00:57,750
And the other counts had to do
with aIIegations of chiId moIestation.
1971
02:00:57,918 --> 02:01:02,338
These were serious aIIegations,
the most ridicuIous aIIegations.
1972
02:01:02,881 --> 02:01:06,926
Anyone who knows Michael,
Michael is not a paedophile.
1973
02:01:08,929 --> 02:01:12,389
Mr Jackson has been booked
into the countyjail.
1974
02:01:12,474 --> 02:01:16,101
He has since been released.
He has posted the bail
1975
02:01:16,436 --> 02:01:18,270
and he has been given an arraignment date.
1976
02:01:18,897 --> 02:01:19,939
Katherine Jackson
MICHAEL'S MOTHER
1977
02:01:20,023 --> 02:01:22,733
It bothered me because I was wondering
how he was feeIing
1978
02:01:22,817 --> 02:01:24,568
and how he was deaIing with it.
1979
02:01:25,654 --> 02:01:29,949
Michael used to always tell me, "l'd rather
slit my own wrist than to hurt a child.
1980
02:01:30,325 --> 02:01:32,076
"And here they are trying to accuse me
1981
02:01:32,494 --> 02:01:35,746
"of the thing that I Iove best,
and that's chiIdren,
1982
02:01:35,956 --> 02:01:37,623
"accuse me of moIesting them."
1983
02:01:37,958 --> 02:01:41,210
The more I Iooked at the facts,
the more I conversed with him,
1984
02:01:41,294 --> 02:01:43,212
the more ridicuIous these charges appeared.
1985
02:01:43,296 --> 02:01:45,047
He just did not seem Iike the kind of person
1986
02:01:45,131 --> 02:01:47,841
that couId ever engage
in this kind of behaviour.
1987
02:01:49,427 --> 02:01:52,805
Mr Sneddon was obsessed
with taking down Michael Jackson.
1988
02:01:53,390 --> 02:01:57,351
My understanding is that in the mid-'90s,
Mr Sneddon personally travelled
1989
02:01:57,477 --> 02:02:01,146
to AustraIia and Canada,
and perhaps other countries I'm not aware of,
1990
02:02:01,481 --> 02:02:03,691
to find witnesses against MichaeI Jackson.
1991
02:02:03,817 --> 02:02:08,112
He aIso arranged to have a website at the
Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department
1992
02:02:08,196 --> 02:02:10,948
where they were Iooking for any witnesses
or evidence against MichaeI.
1993
02:02:12,617 --> 02:02:15,577
FinaIIy, in 2004, he got his wish,
1994
02:02:15,704 --> 02:02:18,455
a criminaI triaI
with MichaeI Jackson as the defendant.
1995
02:02:18,832 --> 02:02:24,753
To see this DA,
with this wicked smiIe and grin,
1996
02:02:25,046 --> 02:02:28,966
Iike, he's gonna become a nationaI hero
1997
02:02:30,677 --> 02:02:34,179
for catching MichaeI Jackson
doing something that he never did
1998
02:02:35,181 --> 02:02:38,517
made me wanna just throw up
on the teIevision.
1999
02:02:39,144 --> 02:02:42,855
Jackson himseIf, I beIieve, has said
that this was all done
2000
02:02:42,939 --> 02:02:46,775
to try to ruin his new CD that was coming out
or whatever it is he's doing,
2001
02:02:47,277 --> 02:02:50,404
like the sheriff and l really
are into that kind of music. But...
2002
02:02:50,572 --> 02:02:52,156
(PEOPLE LAUGH)
2003
02:02:53,324 --> 02:02:56,785
There was a reaI, sort of, Ieaning
in the press corps
2004
02:02:57,245 --> 02:03:00,330
that, "Look, if this is happening again,
then he must be guiIty."
2005
02:03:01,124 --> 02:03:03,375
We reaIIy didn't know what they had.
2006
02:03:03,793 --> 02:03:07,546
We just... Because it was aII seaIed
and nobody knew what it was.
2007
02:03:07,881 --> 02:03:11,008
I personaIIy beIieve this Janet Arvizo
2008
02:03:12,552 --> 02:03:14,803
was provoked by someone.
2009
02:03:15,263 --> 02:03:17,431
Janet Arvizo is a sick woman.
2010
02:03:17,515 --> 02:03:21,518
She has a track history
of shaking peopIe down.
2011
02:03:21,603 --> 02:03:25,272
The more I Iooked at the history
of weIfare fraud,
2012
02:03:25,356 --> 02:03:28,817
the more I Iooked at their
hustIing ceIebrities to try and get money,
2013
02:03:28,902 --> 02:03:33,030
the more l put this package together,
l have to say, l was quite surprised
2014
02:03:33,323 --> 02:03:36,742
that the prosecutors pinned their hopes
on these peopIe.
2015
02:03:36,826 --> 02:03:39,703
We've been ready to do this
for some period of time.
2016
02:03:39,788 --> 02:03:42,206
I wanna cIarify that
so that you understand that.
2017
02:03:42,290 --> 02:03:45,417
MESEREAU: Prosecution was like a train
that left the station.
2018
02:03:45,502 --> 02:03:47,127
lt was not gonna slow down.
2019
02:03:47,378 --> 02:03:49,671
Once they decided
to charge MichaeI Jackson,
2020
02:03:49,756 --> 02:03:52,591
it aImost appeared as if they were gonna do
whatever it took
2021
02:03:52,675 --> 02:03:55,469
to make sure this thing got to trial
and that they got a conviction.
2022
02:03:57,597 --> 02:04:01,892
Seventy sheriffs from Santa Barbara County
raided MichaeI Jackson's home.
2023
02:04:02,268 --> 02:04:04,019
Now, I've seen murder cases,
2024
02:04:04,104 --> 02:04:08,690
l've seen serial killers have
investigations done in their premises,
2025
02:04:08,942 --> 02:04:12,027
with five peopIe, with six peopIe,
with 1 0 peopIe.
2026
02:04:12,112 --> 02:04:16,907
Never have I seen this many sheriffs
descend on anybody's home in any case.
2027
02:04:17,033 --> 02:04:18,867
It was aII done because of who he was,
2028
02:04:18,952 --> 02:04:21,745
and they knew this was gonna be
a worIdwide event,
2029
02:04:21,871 --> 02:04:24,581
and, frankIy, it was very despicabIe
as far as I'm concerned.
2030
02:04:24,749 --> 02:04:28,085
There was a Iynch mob mentaIity
in Santa Maria that extended
2031
02:04:28,211 --> 02:04:31,922
not only to the police
and to the district attorney
2032
02:04:32,048 --> 02:04:33,966
but, maybe, to the media as weII.
2033
02:04:34,300 --> 02:04:37,553
And l remember when we were standing
in line to get our press credentials,
2034
02:04:37,887 --> 02:04:41,974
one of the reporters, a woman,
who was a very popular reporter in America,
2035
02:04:42,100 --> 02:04:44,810
pulled herself out of the line and she said,
2036
02:04:44,894 --> 02:04:49,606
"Is there anybody standing in this Iine,
besides J. Randy TaraborreIIi,
2037
02:04:49,732 --> 02:04:53,318
"who does not beIieve
that MichaeI Jackson is guiIty?"
2038
02:04:54,988 --> 02:04:56,697
MESEREAU: And there was the issue ofrace.
2039
02:04:56,781 --> 02:05:00,325
When he got in big troubIe,
he reached out to bIack Ieaders
2040
02:05:00,410 --> 02:05:01,577
to try and defend him.
2041
02:05:02,328 --> 02:05:06,290
He reached out to Reverend Jesse Jackson,
to Reverend Al Sharpton and others.
2042
02:05:06,416 --> 02:05:09,459
l wanted to avoid any racial division.
2043
02:05:09,752 --> 02:05:14,673
There was a phone caII one night.
It was MichaeI Jackson and his pubIicist.
2044
02:05:14,757 --> 02:05:17,634
She wanted to bring black celebrities
into the courtroom.
2045
02:05:17,760 --> 02:05:20,095
She feIt this wouId be better for his Iegacy.
2046
02:05:20,180 --> 02:05:23,682
And my comment
about this request was that,
2047
02:05:23,766 --> 02:05:25,184
you know, if he's convicted,
2048
02:05:25,268 --> 02:05:28,812
his Iegacy is gonna be dying
in CaIifornia State Prison.
2049
02:05:29,105 --> 02:05:30,772
(CROWD CHEERING)
2050
02:05:33,610 --> 02:05:38,697
DILEO: And l flew out, at the request
of Katherine, to go to the arraignment.
2051
02:05:38,781 --> 02:05:41,700
When we aII drove up together, you know,
and went through that.
2052
02:05:41,784 --> 02:05:42,951
Frank DiIeo
JACKSON MANAGER 1 984-89, 2009
2053
02:05:43,036 --> 02:05:44,620
Of course, then he got on the roof.
2054
02:05:45,038 --> 02:05:46,788
(CROWD CHEERING)
2055
02:05:51,794 --> 02:05:53,754
When he got in the car, l said,
2056
02:05:53,838 --> 02:05:56,798
"WiII you stop that aIready?
This is serious stuff here."
2057
02:05:57,050 --> 02:06:01,136
He went in there, he was strong,
he was not gonna Iet anything get to him,
2058
02:06:01,221 --> 02:06:03,764
he was jumping on the bus,
2059
02:06:03,848 --> 02:06:06,475
really proud, you know what,
showing his fans,
2060
02:06:06,559 --> 02:06:08,518
"We're gonna get through this,
we're gonna fight.
2061
02:06:08,645 --> 02:06:10,646
"Everything's gonna be fine."
2062
02:06:11,147 --> 02:06:12,147
When we first started,
2063
02:06:12,232 --> 02:06:16,026
MichaeI came in
and he Iooked reaIIy robust and heaIthy.
2064
02:06:16,152 --> 02:06:20,656
He was sharp and focused,
2065
02:06:21,241 --> 02:06:24,409
and determined to prove his innocence.
2066
02:06:26,913 --> 02:06:29,873
Case 1 1 33603: The PeopIe v Jackson
begins on February 28, 2005.
2067
02:06:29,999 --> 02:06:31,792
GEST: Even after the first day,
2068
02:06:31,876 --> 02:06:35,587
you knew that these peopIe
were onIy after money,
2069
02:06:35,672 --> 02:06:40,842
and this was the biggest hoax in the worId
that they were trying to puII.
2070
02:06:41,177 --> 02:06:44,179
They put witnesses on the stand
to testify under oath
2071
02:06:44,264 --> 02:06:45,681
to things that never happened,
2072
02:06:45,765 --> 02:06:48,392
to things that were compIeteIy exaggerated
and untrue.
2073
02:06:49,602 --> 02:06:52,229
They were willing to almost throw anything
at the jury,
2074
02:06:52,355 --> 02:06:54,189
hoping something would stick.
2075
02:06:54,357 --> 02:06:58,193
FEMALE REPORTER: Time for
a diminutive mother of four, Janet Arvizo,
2076
02:06:58,278 --> 02:06:59,778
to take centre stage.
2077
02:06:59,946 --> 02:07:03,031
Her evidence could end the career
of a pop legend.
2078
02:07:03,116 --> 02:07:06,535
What had upset me is they were reporting
2079
02:07:06,619 --> 02:07:07,661
Tito Jackson
MICHAEL'S BROTHER
2080
02:07:07,745 --> 02:07:10,872
everything that was said about MichaeI,
2081
02:07:11,207 --> 02:07:13,875
but they wasn't reporting
anything in his defence.
2082
02:07:13,960 --> 02:07:15,711
It Iooked Iike a feeding frenzy to me.
2083
02:07:15,795 --> 02:07:17,004
The media were just out
2084
02:07:17,088 --> 02:07:21,550
to see the worId's greatest known ceIebrity
faII to destruction.
2085
02:07:21,634 --> 02:07:24,928
That's where they thought their ratings
in the future would come from.
2086
02:07:25,138 --> 02:07:27,889
And, for me, it was really a disgrace.
2087
02:07:28,558 --> 02:07:29,891
During the triaI,
2088
02:07:29,976 --> 02:07:32,561
Diane Dimond was the worst person
in the worId.
2089
02:07:33,479 --> 02:07:36,773
Nice to meet you. Your hands are very cold.
2090
02:07:36,899 --> 02:07:39,526
l didn't say what you thought l'd say.
Did you get my message?
2091
02:07:39,610 --> 02:07:41,403
l got your message.
2092
02:07:41,571 --> 02:07:45,574
I don't understand how these peopIe
can run out and Iie.
2093
02:07:46,451 --> 02:07:49,911
They don't even get a chance
to find out the truth.
2094
02:07:51,414 --> 02:07:54,124
Tom Mesereau wouId get there and show...
And cIean it up,
2095
02:07:54,250 --> 02:07:57,419
and show that this is not true,
this is reaIIy how it went,
2096
02:07:57,670 --> 02:07:59,588
but they wouldn't report that.
2097
02:07:59,672 --> 02:08:01,673
And that went on for months.
2098
02:08:01,924 --> 02:08:05,135
When we finaIIy got to see
what was being aIIeged,
2099
02:08:05,261 --> 02:08:08,972
it just seemed so ridicuIous
and so far-fetched
2100
02:08:09,098 --> 02:08:14,102
that I remember one reporter from CNN
came over to me
2101
02:08:14,771 --> 02:08:17,731
after the day that the mother testified,
Janet Arvizo,
2102
02:08:17,815 --> 02:08:20,150
and he said, "I feeI so used."
2103
02:08:20,401 --> 02:08:24,404
Mrs Arvizo cIaimed
that she feared MichaeI Jackson so much
2104
02:08:24,489 --> 02:08:26,948
that she thought he
and his henchmen were gonna
2105
02:08:27,075 --> 02:08:31,620
put she and her family on a hot air balloon
and let them sail away to their demise.
2106
02:08:31,913 --> 02:08:37,000
That was one of, probabIy, 500 crazy things
that came out of this triaI
2107
02:08:37,126 --> 02:08:39,669
that the Arvizo famiIy were aIIeging.
2108
02:08:39,796 --> 02:08:42,839
Sitting in court,
Iistening to aII these peopIe Iie,
2109
02:08:42,965 --> 02:08:45,717
peopIe he'd been good to and aII of that,
2110
02:08:45,802 --> 02:08:49,805
he said he couIdn't beIieve
that they were teIIing aII these Iies on him.
2111
02:08:49,931 --> 02:08:53,141
These people must have been paid off
to do a lot of this stuff.
2112
02:08:53,309 --> 02:08:55,143
CASCIO: l warned him about this family.
2113
02:08:55,269 --> 02:08:59,481
I warned him about that mother.
That mother, I read from a miIe away.
2114
02:08:59,690 --> 02:09:02,651
She had an agenda from day one.
2115
02:09:03,027 --> 02:09:06,488
There was a so-caIIed
rebuttaI video that was pIayed,
2116
02:09:06,948 --> 02:09:13,453
the video that the Arvizo family made
after the allegations had surfaced,
2117
02:09:13,663 --> 02:09:19,501
in which they cIaim
that MichaeI had been a father figure
2118
02:09:19,627 --> 02:09:21,670
to this famiIy.
2119
02:09:21,879 --> 02:09:24,840
And they were really adamant about it
on this video.
2120
02:09:24,966 --> 02:09:27,134
And this video existed.
2121
02:09:27,218 --> 02:09:30,095
And you wouId've thought
that just the fact that this video existed
2122
02:09:30,179 --> 02:09:31,680
wouId've been enough
for the district attorney
2123
02:09:31,806 --> 02:09:33,348
to not wanna prosecute this case,
2124
02:09:33,474 --> 02:09:35,892
because, eventuaIIy,
we wouId have to see this video.
2125
02:09:36,018 --> 02:09:40,063
And aII of us wouId then have to Iook at this
and think, "What the heck is going on here?"
2126
02:09:40,189 --> 02:09:41,481
Which is exactIy what happened.
2127
02:09:42,024 --> 02:09:45,694
MALE REPORTER: The focus, instead,
was on the defence's first celebrity witness,
2128
02:09:45,820 --> 02:09:47,988
the actor Macaulay Culkin.
2129
02:09:48,197 --> 02:09:51,700
The prosecution had suggested
that in the early 1990s,
2130
02:09:51,868 --> 02:09:55,996
he was one of a number of young boys
who'd been sexually abused by Jackson.
2131
02:09:56,080 --> 02:09:58,790
MESEREAU: l have to say,
Chris Tucker and Macaulay Culkin
2132
02:09:58,875 --> 02:10:02,210
wiII aIways go down in my book
as IoyaI, good friends.
2133
02:10:02,670 --> 02:10:06,673
They had managers and agents and lawyers
who didn't want them to get involved,
2134
02:10:06,757 --> 02:10:10,343
and they both told me that, "When Michael
needs us, we're gonna be there."
2135
02:10:10,428 --> 02:10:11,553
There were other witnesses,
2136
02:10:11,679 --> 02:10:15,182
peopIe he knew at NeverIand,
who came in to teII the truth.
2137
02:10:15,266 --> 02:10:18,560
We had a lot of people
that rose to his defence.
2138
02:10:18,728 --> 02:10:22,397
GEST: l stood by him
because he was a decent, good man,
2139
02:10:23,858 --> 02:10:26,401
with a warm heart, a Ioving heart.
2140
02:10:32,575 --> 02:10:35,952
The famiIy were extremeIy supportive
of MichaeI Jackson throughout this triaI.
2141
02:10:36,078 --> 02:10:37,787
His mother never missed one day.
2142
02:10:37,914 --> 02:10:41,583
The trial lasted almost five months.
She never missed a day.
2143
02:10:41,709 --> 02:10:44,044
I knew what MichaeI was going through
2144
02:10:44,462 --> 02:10:47,464
and my heart just bIed for him aII the time.
2145
02:10:48,758 --> 02:10:50,258
TARABORRELLI: The family was there
2146
02:10:50,384 --> 02:10:54,304
and there was this, sort of,
sense that it was gonna be okay.
2147
02:10:57,475 --> 02:11:00,560
l remember they showed
the Martin Bashir documentary,
2148
02:11:00,645 --> 02:11:02,938
and Michael's music
was playing throughout it,
2149
02:11:03,105 --> 02:11:04,689
and I remember Iooking
around the courtroom
2150
02:11:04,774 --> 02:11:08,193
and seeing aII these heads
bobbing up and down to MichaeI's music.
2151
02:11:08,277 --> 02:11:09,486
And I thought to myseIf,
2152
02:11:09,612 --> 02:11:11,571
"Wow, this is gonna be
some crazy moIestation triaI,
2153
02:11:11,656 --> 02:11:15,784
"because everybody here
is, sort of, rocking out to Billie Jean. "
2154
02:11:16,244 --> 02:11:17,994
It just seemed very surreaI to me.
2155
02:11:18,788 --> 02:11:21,873
MESEREAU: The prosecution, in my opinion,
didn't know what to do
2156
02:11:21,958 --> 02:11:26,878
with the fact that they found
1 0 years' worth of magazines,
2157
02:11:26,963 --> 02:11:31,299
Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, at Neverland,
2158
02:11:31,425 --> 02:11:35,095
which wouId suggest
that MichaeI Jackson was heterosexuaI,
2159
02:11:35,179 --> 02:11:38,807
and interested in seeing pictures
of beautifuI women who were naked.
2160
02:11:38,975 --> 02:11:43,436
They weren't quite sure how to fit that
into their theory that he was a paedophiIe.
2161
02:11:43,521 --> 02:11:48,024
So they came up with the notion that
a paedophiIe wiII take magazines Iike this
2162
02:11:48,150 --> 02:11:50,777
to somehow groom the aIIeged victim.
2163
02:11:51,028 --> 02:11:53,572
The district attorney
showed so much pornography
2164
02:11:53,656 --> 02:11:58,910
that your head was spinning
by the time this was over.
2165
02:11:58,995 --> 02:12:00,662
It was the onIy day that Katherine
2166
02:12:00,788 --> 02:12:03,999
excused herself from the courtroom
for the afternoon.
2167
02:12:04,333 --> 02:12:08,169
I thought, they're constantIy
fIashing this materiaI at the jury,
2168
02:12:08,296 --> 02:12:11,840
which was a majority of femaIes, by the way,
2169
02:12:11,966 --> 02:12:15,051
I thought just was stupid,
but that's what they did.
2170
02:12:15,177 --> 02:12:18,471
They couIdn't find any pornography
on his computers.
2171
02:12:18,556 --> 02:12:21,516
They had the FBI test
every computer at NeverIand,
2172
02:12:21,642 --> 02:12:24,269
they couIdn't find any kiddie pornography.
2173
02:12:24,353 --> 02:12:26,688
So they just tried
to fit everything into their theory
2174
02:12:26,814 --> 02:12:28,523
and it just became an absurdity.
2175
02:12:28,691 --> 02:12:33,153
You just knew that there was
reaIIy something devious going on.
2176
02:12:34,864 --> 02:12:38,199
This guy, Tom Sneddon,
was really out to get him.
2177
02:12:38,868 --> 02:12:40,785
It had to be totaIIy torture.
2178
02:12:40,870 --> 02:12:44,706
I couIdn't imagine what was going on
in his mind and in his head.
2179
02:12:46,709 --> 02:12:48,209
He's not strong in that way, though.
2180
02:12:49,754 --> 02:12:53,673
MESEREAU: The stress and strain
of this five-month trial took a toll on him.
2181
02:12:53,758 --> 02:12:57,344
You saw him losing weight,
he was having trouble sleeping.
2182
02:12:57,511 --> 02:13:00,180
I wouId taIk to him at 3:00, 4:00, 5:00
in the morning,
2183
02:13:00,264 --> 02:13:01,514
and he wouId be terrified,
2184
02:13:01,599 --> 02:13:03,850
particuIarIy about what might happen
to his chiIdren.
2185
02:13:04,101 --> 02:13:07,562
He did need some things
to heIp him faII asIeep at night,
2186
02:13:07,688 --> 02:13:12,400
because there was no way he was sIeeping
with aII this stuff going on in his head.
2187
02:13:12,735 --> 02:13:14,944
I don't know how anyone couId sIeep.
2188
02:13:16,530 --> 02:13:19,282
GEST: The thought that
you might be found guilty
2189
02:13:19,408 --> 02:13:22,952
and spend the rest of your life in a jail cell
2190
02:13:23,120 --> 02:13:26,581
and aII your accompIishments
washed down the drain,
2191
02:13:27,750 --> 02:13:29,834
I don't know how he coped.
2192
02:13:29,919 --> 02:13:32,253
Most peopIe wouId've taken
a gun to their head.
2193
02:13:32,463 --> 02:13:35,799
His frame of mind was very, very fragiIe,
2194
02:13:36,634 --> 02:13:38,927
and l was concerned for him.
2195
02:13:39,095 --> 02:13:42,514
He was very worried
about his children and his mother
2196
02:13:42,598 --> 02:13:44,516
and what people would think.
2197
02:13:44,600 --> 02:13:46,267
TARABORRELLI: The first day
of Gavin's testimony,
2198
02:13:46,394 --> 02:13:48,311
Michael shows up and he's in pyjamas,
2199
02:13:48,437 --> 02:13:50,730
and he Iooked Iike
he was in reaIIy bad shape.
2200
02:13:50,815 --> 02:13:53,942
And they actuaIIy, they had to, Iike,
heIp him into the courtroom.
2201
02:13:54,068 --> 02:13:57,612
From that moment on,
everything started to get reaIIy awfuI.
2202
02:13:57,905 --> 02:14:02,117
You started seeing Michael coming
in every day, looking like death.
2203
02:14:02,326 --> 02:14:06,287
lt was as if the testimony
was just destroying him.
2204
02:14:06,497 --> 02:14:10,959
To sit there in court
and watch the IegaI system hurI
2205
02:14:11,085 --> 02:14:17,632
absurd and vindictive and nasty,
mean-spirited aIIegations at him Iike this,
2206
02:14:18,467 --> 02:14:20,385
absoIuteIy traumatized him.
2207
02:14:20,636 --> 02:14:24,055
For me, and for other peopIe
who actuaIIy knew MichaeI,
2208
02:14:24,140 --> 02:14:27,350
this was a reaI human being,
whose Iife was being destroyed,
2209
02:14:27,476 --> 02:14:29,519
and every day it just seemed to get worse.
2210
02:14:31,647 --> 02:14:35,817
5 months after the triaI began the attorneys
presented their cIosing arguments.
2211
02:14:41,240 --> 02:14:46,035
On June 1 3th, 2005 after 9 days
of deIiberation the jury reached a verdict.
2212
02:14:50,499 --> 02:14:55,336
If found guiIty of aII 1 0 charges MichaeI faced
spending the rest of his Iife in prison.
2213
02:15:03,012 --> 02:15:04,679
(CROWD CHEERING)
2214
02:15:06,891 --> 02:15:12,270
One of the sheriffs came to me and said,
"You've got the best seat in the house."
2215
02:15:12,605 --> 02:15:16,775
And l said, "Why?" And he said,
"Because you're sitting right behind Michael.
2216
02:15:16,859 --> 02:15:18,735
"And when we find him guilty,
2217
02:15:18,861 --> 02:15:23,448
"we're going to get him out of there so fast
that your head's gonna spin."
2218
02:15:23,741 --> 02:15:27,035
These peopIe had aIready decided
that MichaeI was guiIty.
2219
02:15:27,119 --> 02:15:28,244
And they were sure of it,
2220
02:15:28,370 --> 02:15:31,080
so sure that they had an exit pIan
to get him out of there.
2221
02:15:37,880 --> 02:15:42,383
Michael came into the courtroom
and he looked like he was on serious drugs.
2222
02:15:42,802 --> 02:15:48,556
He reaIIy, truIy Iooked
Iike a dead man waIking.
2223
02:15:51,310 --> 02:15:52,769
MESEREAU: lt was a tense moment,
you know,
2224
02:15:52,895 --> 02:15:55,939
the entire worId stopped
to watch what was gonna happen
2225
02:15:56,065 --> 02:16:00,401
to the best known ceIebrity,
a musicaI genius, MichaeI Jackson.
2226
02:16:00,486 --> 02:16:05,281
That was such an awfuIIy emotionaI day,
you just didn't know what to expect.
2227
02:16:18,337 --> 02:16:20,421
WOMAN: We, thejury,
in the above entitIed case,
2228
02:16:20,506 --> 02:16:24,092
find the defendant not guilty of conspiracy,
2229
02:16:24,176 --> 02:16:26,928
as charged in count one of the indictment.
2230
02:16:27,012 --> 02:16:28,596
(ALL CHEERING)
2231
02:16:29,765 --> 02:16:34,978
The verdict was read and it was, "Not guiIty.
Not guiIty. Not guiIty. Not guiIty."
2232
02:16:35,104 --> 02:16:37,772
AII the way down the Iine,
aII counts, "Not guiIty."
2233
02:16:37,940 --> 02:16:44,821
And l remember, very specifically,
Michael seeming to not understand.
2234
02:16:44,989 --> 02:16:50,159
And I remember Tom Sneddon Iooking
at MichaeI for a reaction
2235
02:16:50,286 --> 02:16:51,536
and not reaIIy getting one.
2236
02:16:51,871 --> 02:16:55,331
And I aIso remember
Tom Mesereau, his Iawyer, Ieaning in
2237
02:16:55,457 --> 02:16:59,544
and mouthing to MichaeI Jackson,
"You're a free man."
2238
02:16:59,628 --> 02:17:02,463
I couId read his Iips, 'cause I was so cIose.
2239
02:17:02,798 --> 02:17:05,174
And Michael still didn't get it.
2240
02:17:06,802 --> 02:17:08,553
You felt like it was a triumphant moment
2241
02:17:08,637 --> 02:17:12,390
but then when you Iooked at him,
you reaIised that he wasn't there for it.
2242
02:17:12,641 --> 02:17:14,475
There was nothing you could do.
2243
02:17:14,643 --> 02:17:17,312
He was so devastated that it had happened
2244
02:17:18,147 --> 02:17:22,525
that you couIdn't even find a pIace
to be happy that it ended the way it did
2245
02:17:22,610 --> 02:17:26,112
because it was so devastating
that it had occurred at aII.
2246
02:17:31,827 --> 02:17:36,414
It's sad because I reaIIy feeI that triaI
2247
02:17:36,498 --> 02:17:40,460
is what reaIIy depressed
my brother out to the point
2248
02:17:40,544 --> 02:17:43,338
where he just wasn't happy.
2249
02:17:43,422 --> 02:17:46,549
He never went back to Neverland.
2250
02:17:47,468 --> 02:17:49,928
For Michael not to go to Neverland,
2251
02:17:50,012 --> 02:17:51,095
he must've been pretty sad.
2252
02:17:51,180 --> 02:17:55,141
Didn't wanna have nothing
to do with that pIace ever again.
2253
02:18:00,189 --> 02:18:01,898
He wouId aIways teII me,
2254
02:18:01,982 --> 02:18:04,484
"It's over. I don't trust anyone.
2255
02:18:05,069 --> 02:18:09,155
"I don't know why they're doing this to me.
They want me dead."
2256
02:18:09,740 --> 02:18:12,992
He said,
"They're gonna kiII me for what I got."
2257
02:18:17,498 --> 02:18:19,207
(CROWD CHEERING)
2258
02:18:24,838 --> 02:18:28,758
I'm pretty sure there was times
when he feIt that, you know,
2259
02:18:28,842 --> 02:18:33,846
"I wish I was someone eIse,"
or, other than an entertainer.
2260
02:18:35,182 --> 02:18:38,142
There's a certain point
that you can get to with success
2261
02:18:38,227 --> 02:18:39,268
Smokey Robinson
ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS
2262
02:18:39,353 --> 02:18:42,313
where you have no Iife whatsoever.
2263
02:18:43,565 --> 02:18:47,402
You lose the ability to be a person.
2264
02:18:47,820 --> 02:18:50,571
To be a person that cannot be a part
of the everyday Iife of this worId,
2265
02:18:50,656 --> 02:18:52,073
RusseII Thompkins, Jr.
LEAD SINGER, 'THE STYLISTICS'
2266
02:18:53,867 --> 02:18:56,411
it couId reaIIy be devastating on the mind.
2267
02:18:58,122 --> 02:18:59,956
PAYNE: You can't get it all for free.
2268
02:19:00,708 --> 02:19:03,001
And that's what happened with MichaeI,
2269
02:19:03,085 --> 02:19:04,210
Freda Payne
SINGER
2270
02:19:04,294 --> 02:19:06,254
he had to give up so much
that he Iost his abiIity
2271
02:19:06,338 --> 02:19:09,173
to just walk amongst everyday people.
2272
02:19:09,591 --> 02:19:12,218
This was the first artist
that I'd been associated with,
2273
02:19:12,302 --> 02:19:13,344
Kenny GambIe & Leon Huff
2274
02:19:13,429 --> 02:19:14,721
PRODUCERS / SONGWRITERS,
PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS
2275
02:19:14,805 --> 02:19:16,097
and the onIy artist
that I'd been associated with,
2276
02:19:16,181 --> 02:19:18,558
that you couId not waIk down the street with.
2277
02:19:19,685 --> 02:19:24,647
Look at my Iife. It's somewhat normaI.
It's not normaI, but it's a IittIe normaI.
2278
02:19:25,190 --> 02:19:30,403
But judging my Iife to his,
his was nowhere cIose.
2279
02:19:30,904 --> 02:19:33,197
He just couIdn't be anonymous.
2280
02:19:33,282 --> 02:19:34,365
ImpossibIe.
2281
02:19:42,458 --> 02:19:44,709
(CROWD CHEERING)
2282
02:19:46,628 --> 02:19:48,421
(FANS SCREAMING)
2283
02:19:48,714 --> 02:19:51,382
MichaeI Jackson is procIaimed
the King of Pop.
2284
02:19:51,467 --> 02:19:52,508
Martha Reeves
ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS
2285
02:19:52,593 --> 02:19:54,427
lt's kind of hard being a king.
2286
02:19:54,511 --> 02:19:56,804
You can get out of sorts.
2287
02:19:58,599 --> 02:20:04,604
I think he, kind of, Iike, isoIated himseIf
from everyone who wouId say no.
2288
02:20:06,148 --> 02:20:08,691
BILLY DAVIS JR.: Everything he wants is,
"Yes. Okay, Michael."
2289
02:20:09,735 --> 02:20:14,072
It's hard to have someone there
2290
02:20:14,156 --> 02:20:15,406
BiIIy Davis, Jr.
SINGER, '5th DIMENSION'
2291
02:20:15,491 --> 02:20:18,159
to give you an honest answer,
an honest opinion.
2292
02:20:18,243 --> 02:20:20,703
KATHERINE: Joseph would always tell him,
"Michael, watch your people.
2293
02:20:20,788 --> 02:20:21,954
"Michael, watch your people."
2294
02:20:22,039 --> 02:20:25,208
He said, "I trust my peopIe.
My peopIe are good peopIe."
2295
02:20:25,334 --> 02:20:28,252
But that's not the case.
2296
02:20:28,337 --> 02:20:29,378
Katherine Jackson
MICHAEL'S MOTHER
2297
02:20:29,463 --> 02:20:31,297
PeopIe smiIe in your face,
pat you on the back
2298
02:20:31,381 --> 02:20:33,466
and stab you at the same time.
2299
02:20:33,842 --> 02:20:35,593
These peopIe saw money,
2300
02:20:35,677 --> 02:20:36,803
Bobby TayIor
ARTIST, GORDY / MOTOWN RECORDS
2301
02:20:36,929 --> 02:20:39,097
and they saw somebody
who they couId get to.
2302
02:20:39,431 --> 02:20:43,101
lt was hard for Michael to say no,
as a kid and as an adult.
2303
02:20:45,938 --> 02:20:48,898
Because he generated so much weaIth
and so much profit,
2304
02:20:48,982 --> 02:20:50,525
Thomas A. Mesereau, Jr.
JACKSON'S ATTORNEY, 2005 TRIAL
2305
02:20:50,609 --> 02:20:53,027
he became the repeated target
of unsavoury characters,
2306
02:20:53,112 --> 02:20:54,737
many of them mediocre,
2307
02:20:54,822 --> 02:20:58,324
who tried to get near him,
promise him the moon
2308
02:20:58,450 --> 02:21:01,702
and then profit themseIves
by being around him.
2309
02:21:01,787 --> 02:21:05,623
And I think he received some tremendousIy
bad advice throughout his career
2310
02:21:05,707 --> 02:21:07,083
when it came to finances.
2311
02:21:07,334 --> 02:21:10,670
MichaeI was an easy touch,
2312
02:21:10,796 --> 02:21:13,589
and anybody couId take advantage of him
2313
02:21:13,757 --> 02:21:17,718
just because he trusted everybody's word.
2314
02:21:18,387 --> 02:21:22,098
MichaeI wouId bring random peopIe
into his Iife for business deaIs.
2315
02:21:22,182 --> 02:21:25,935
They wouId offer him the worId
and MichaeI wouId beIieve them.
2316
02:21:26,895 --> 02:21:30,857
Michael told me he only committed
to 10 shows at the O2 dome
2317
02:21:30,941 --> 02:21:32,483
for his comeback concerts.
2318
02:21:32,693 --> 02:21:35,695
When he found out
that he was committed to 50 shows
2319
02:21:35,779 --> 02:21:38,656
and there was no way of getting out of it,
2320
02:21:38,740 --> 02:21:39,782
he snapped.
2321
02:21:40,075 --> 02:21:44,203
He felt like they'd tricked him,
he was put up against the wall
2322
02:21:44,913 --> 02:21:48,541
and let down by people,
or misled, l should say.
2323
02:21:50,544 --> 02:21:54,672
It was thrown on him by his manager
2324
02:21:55,215 --> 02:22:00,428
and, in his state of mind,
he couId've said yes to anything.
2325
02:22:00,596 --> 02:22:03,014
After I heard that he was doing
those many shows,
2326
02:22:03,098 --> 02:22:04,515
I started caIIing him, teIIing him...
2327
02:22:04,641 --> 02:22:07,310
Then I heard how they were gonna
do 'em every other day,
2328
02:22:07,394 --> 02:22:11,147
and I toId him he couIdn't do it that way.
He had to rest.
2329
02:22:11,231 --> 02:22:12,899
And I kept after them.
2330
02:22:16,945 --> 02:22:18,779
DILEO: The wear and tear
2331
02:22:19,239 --> 02:22:20,948
of all the managers,
2332
02:22:21,366 --> 02:22:24,493
aII the promises that they didn't Iive up to,
2333
02:22:24,661 --> 02:22:26,037
took its toII.
2334
02:22:26,997 --> 02:22:31,584
ProbabIy, a more stronger person
wouId be abIe to fight through a Iot of that,
2335
02:22:31,668 --> 02:22:33,211
and a Iot of them have.
2336
02:22:33,462 --> 02:22:36,672
Frank Sinatra, he was pursued the same way,
2337
02:22:37,049 --> 02:22:39,967
but he seemed to be a person
who couId put peopIe at bay.
2338
02:22:40,260 --> 02:22:44,138
But it seemed like Michael has
a certain type of frailty to his self
2339
02:22:44,389 --> 02:22:48,059
and it wouIdn't aIIow him
to be very strong-minded
2340
02:22:48,143 --> 02:22:50,937
or to be forcefuI with a Iot of peopIe.
2341
02:22:51,146 --> 02:22:54,357
KATHERINE: Everybody he met,
he trusted them, for some reason.
2342
02:22:55,317 --> 02:23:01,614
And I think that's why MichaeI
was taken advantage of so much.
2343
02:23:06,119 --> 02:23:08,162
Doctors are human beings, too,
2344
02:23:08,247 --> 02:23:10,122
and they get star-struck,
2345
02:23:10,207 --> 02:23:13,709
and they want a IittIe touch of that fame,
2346
02:23:13,794 --> 02:23:17,880
and they wanna be abIe to say,
"I'm MichaeI Jackson's doctor."
2347
02:23:18,924 --> 02:23:22,009
MichaeI wouId doctor shop,
Iike a Iot of ceIebrities do,
2348
02:23:22,094 --> 02:23:24,512
and he'd find the doctor,
2349
02:23:24,638 --> 02:23:29,016
just the right one, who would do the thing
that Michael wanted him to do.
2350
02:23:29,101 --> 02:23:32,687
MichaeI feIt that he needed to escape,
2351
02:23:33,021 --> 02:23:36,524
and he had aIways been suffering
from insomnia,
2352
02:23:36,650 --> 02:23:39,193
from as far back as I can remember.
2353
02:23:39,486 --> 02:23:41,529
CASCIO: Michael Jackson did have a problem.
2354
02:23:41,613 --> 02:23:43,531
Do I beIieve he was an addict?
2355
02:23:43,657 --> 02:23:46,784
No, I don't beIieve MichaeI Jackson
was a drug addict.
2356
02:23:47,619 --> 02:23:49,495
He went through cycles.
2357
02:23:49,955 --> 02:23:54,875
It reaIIy depended on what was happening
in his Iife and in his worId.
2358
02:23:55,127 --> 02:23:58,838
KATHERINE: l had no reason to think
or believe that he was on drugs
2359
02:23:58,964 --> 02:24:02,049
untiI my chiIdren came to me one time
and they said it,
2360
02:24:02,134 --> 02:24:05,052
and I said,
"WeII, I've never seen him in that shape."
2361
02:24:05,137 --> 02:24:08,055
Then l went to him
and I taIked to him about it,
2362
02:24:08,181 --> 02:24:10,182
and he kept denying it.
2363
02:24:13,395 --> 02:24:17,356
DILEO: l asked him, l said, "Now, Michael,
is there any problems l should know about?"
2364
02:24:18,066 --> 02:24:19,358
"What do you mean?"
2365
02:24:19,484 --> 02:24:23,154
I said, "WeII, you know,
once in a whiIe you seem a IittIe dizzy.
2366
02:24:23,238 --> 02:24:24,488
"You wanna go to rehab?"
2367
02:24:24,740 --> 02:24:29,660
"No. No! There you go. See?
Now, why wouId you assume that?
2368
02:24:29,745 --> 02:24:33,539
"I'm not taking anything, Frank.
I'm not doing one thing."
2369
02:24:34,416 --> 02:24:36,000
TARABORRELLI: One ofthe people
working for him said,
2370
02:24:36,084 --> 02:24:39,420
"You won't ever guess
what this man is doing to get to sleep."
2371
02:24:39,504 --> 02:24:40,588
And I said, "What?"
2372
02:24:40,672 --> 02:24:43,007
And I was toId he's using an anaesthetic.
2373
02:24:43,091 --> 02:24:45,176
And I said, "What?
2374
02:24:45,677 --> 02:24:49,430
"How do you do that?"
I had never heard of such a thing.
2375
02:24:49,598 --> 02:24:54,435
He said, "Dude, I don't know what to teII you,
but that's what's going on."
2376
02:24:54,686 --> 02:25:00,191
UnfortunateIy, he did find doctors
who were wiIIing to do this crazy thing
2377
02:25:00,275 --> 02:25:02,860
that uItimateIy Ied to his death.
2378
02:25:03,904 --> 02:25:06,280
Fire Paramedic 33.
What is the nature of your emergency?
2379
02:25:06,406 --> 02:25:10,242
ALVAREZ: We have a gentleman here
that needs help, he's not breathing.
2380
02:25:10,619 --> 02:25:13,412
NEWSCASTER: We have breaking news
for you tonight,
2381
02:25:14,414 --> 02:25:19,043
the singer Michael Jackson
is reported to have died from a heart attack.
2382
02:25:27,427 --> 02:25:31,138
I heard that my brother had passed away
through my sister Janet,
2383
02:25:31,223 --> 02:25:32,306
Tito Jackson
MICHAEL'S BROTHER
2384
02:25:32,391 --> 02:25:35,643
who asked me to puII over
'cause I was rushing over to my mom's.
2385
02:25:37,229 --> 02:25:38,979
l just couldn't believe it.
2386
02:25:40,482 --> 02:25:45,653
So, I had to just sit in my car
and puII myseIf together,
2387
02:25:45,946 --> 02:25:47,905
you know, and I went over
to my mom's home.
2388
02:25:50,409 --> 02:25:53,327
The entire family had met that evening,
2389
02:25:53,412 --> 02:25:58,582
and was there condoIing each other,
you know.
2390
02:26:01,002 --> 02:26:02,336
It was rough.
2391
02:26:02,421 --> 02:26:04,839
Just the whoIe time
was a rough time in my Iife.
2392
02:26:05,590 --> 02:26:08,175
Rebbie Jackson
MICHAEL'S SISTER
2393
02:26:08,260 --> 02:26:11,846
It's so very difficuIt even to taIk about it.
It reaIIy is.
2394
02:26:20,272 --> 02:26:22,022
PAYNE: l was heartbroken.
2395
02:26:22,983 --> 02:26:25,359
I was just totaIIy heartbroken.
2396
02:26:26,611 --> 02:26:31,866
It was probabIy one of the most surreaI
2397
02:26:31,950 --> 02:26:32,992
Peabo Bryson
SINGER
2398
02:26:33,160 --> 02:26:39,707
and soIemn days of Iife as we know it,
I wouId think.
2399
02:26:45,213 --> 02:26:47,673
I was devastated. I started to cry.
2400
02:26:47,757 --> 02:26:48,841
David Gest
MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND
2401
02:26:49,718 --> 02:26:56,015
We had spent 40 years of our lives
as the closest of friends.
2402
02:26:57,350 --> 02:26:59,435
And l couldn't believe it.
2403
02:26:59,853 --> 02:27:02,813
I remember the feeIing I got, you know.
2404
02:27:02,898 --> 02:27:04,106
Lamont Dozier
SONGWRITER, HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND
2405
02:27:04,232 --> 02:27:06,901
It was Iike somebody punching you
in the stomach.
2406
02:27:07,235 --> 02:27:09,278
God, it was just so...
2407
02:27:17,078 --> 02:27:19,413
EDDIE FLOYD: l didn't follow the news a lot.
2408
02:27:20,081 --> 02:27:22,416
I'II teII you why I didn't foIIow the news.
2409
02:27:22,542 --> 02:27:23,542
Eddie FIoyd
SINGER / SONGWRITER, STAX RECORDS
2410
02:27:23,627 --> 02:27:29,632
It's because of the peopIe
expIoiting the man.
2411
02:27:33,970 --> 02:27:35,638
That makes me sad.
2412
02:27:38,308 --> 02:27:40,643
EDWARDS: The night that Michael died,
2413
02:27:40,769 --> 02:27:42,978
the next show I did,
I mentioned MichaeI, too.
2414
02:27:43,104 --> 02:27:44,104
Dennis Edwards
LEAD SINGER, 'THE TEMPTATIONS'
2415
02:27:44,231 --> 02:27:45,981
It just was...
2416
02:27:46,107 --> 02:27:48,359
PeopIe just stood up, you know.
They stood up.
2417
02:27:48,443 --> 02:27:51,445
And a lot of people took
their cigarette lighters out
2418
02:27:51,571 --> 02:27:52,947
and just lit it.
2419
02:27:53,323 --> 02:27:56,825
You know, it's just sad, man. It's sad.
2420
02:28:04,751 --> 02:28:06,627
TITO: lt's just a sad moment,
2421
02:28:06,753 --> 02:28:11,131
to have to carry one of your brothers
to his grave.
2422
02:28:11,800 --> 02:28:16,345
MICHAEL: We would perform all night,
tell you the truth, every day.
2423
02:28:16,638 --> 02:28:18,931
It's not a good feeIing.
2424
02:28:19,015 --> 02:28:22,142
It's a major part of you died with that.
2425
02:28:24,771 --> 02:28:26,981
MICHAEL: And there was this man's house,
who used to sell candy,
2426
02:28:27,107 --> 02:28:31,318
we used to stop there and just load up,
eat candy for days.
2427
02:28:32,946 --> 02:28:34,822
KATHERINE: l neverlost a child.
2428
02:28:36,783 --> 02:28:41,036
ChiIdren are supposed to bury their parents,
not parents bury their chiIdren.
2429
02:28:41,663 --> 02:28:44,164
And that's what hurt me the most.
2430
02:28:59,723 --> 02:29:04,518
Many days, I go back to his first cry,
2431
02:29:04,644 --> 02:29:07,813
from the doctor sIapping him on his butt,
2432
02:29:07,897 --> 02:29:09,023
up till his death.
2433
02:29:10,400 --> 02:29:11,483
But
2434
02:29:16,698 --> 02:29:22,703
aII the memories of MichaeI are fond to me.
I can't pick out any particuIar.
2435
02:29:31,212 --> 02:29:33,714
l'm happy with the children here,
2436
02:29:33,882 --> 02:29:37,718
and at the same time,
l'm sad because their father's gone.
2437
02:29:38,219 --> 02:29:41,555
They always say, "Daddy did it this way.
2438
02:29:41,723 --> 02:29:44,892
"Daddy used to do this.
Daddy used to do that."
2439
02:29:47,020 --> 02:29:50,064
Those kids are so proud of their father.
2440
02:29:52,275 --> 02:29:54,234
I can't find words.
2441
02:29:57,906 --> 02:30:00,407
To me, it's just such a Ioss, too soon.
2442
02:30:00,533 --> 02:30:01,742
Eddie HoIIand
SONGWRITER, HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND
2443
02:30:04,204 --> 02:30:05,579
It Ieft such a gap
and made us see what was missing.
2444
02:30:05,705 --> 02:30:06,705
VaIerie Simpson & NickoIas Ashford
2445
02:30:06,790 --> 02:30:07,831
SINGERS / SONGWRITERS,
'ASHFORD & SIMPSON'
2446
02:30:07,916 --> 02:30:10,334
Why hadn't we embraced him?
Why hadn't we Ioved him?
2447
02:30:10,418 --> 02:30:13,087
PAYNE: He gave us so much love
2448
02:30:13,880 --> 02:30:16,131
and so much wonderfuI music.
2449
02:30:16,925 --> 02:30:20,427
And I think that this is what
we'II aIways remember him for.
2450
02:30:23,306 --> 02:30:26,725
I Iove the fact that everything he sang,
he sang from his heart.
2451
02:30:26,810 --> 02:30:30,771
And I Iove Iistening to him singing,
every record he's ever recorded.
2452
02:30:32,315 --> 02:30:37,277
MichaeI's Iegacy is that he wiII be known
as the greatest entertainer ever.
2453
02:30:38,530 --> 02:30:39,697
ROBINSON: Michael was a great talent.
2454
02:30:39,781 --> 02:30:42,991
He was the best overaII taIent
that I've ever seen in my Iife,
2455
02:30:43,118 --> 02:30:45,285
and I've been foIIowing taIent
since I was three years oId.
2456
02:30:47,288 --> 02:30:48,664
He was the best I ever saw.
2457
02:30:51,459 --> 02:30:55,337
I'II remember that IittIe boy that I met
when he was 1 0 years oId,
2458
02:30:55,463 --> 02:30:56,463
Dionne Warwick
SINGER
2459
02:30:56,548 --> 02:31:02,511
that IittIe feisty, cute,
incredibIy taIented youngster,
2460
02:31:03,179 --> 02:31:08,976
that went on to become one of the greatest
entertainers that ever Iived.
2461
02:31:10,478 --> 02:31:12,146
There's onIy one MichaeI Jackson.
2462
02:31:14,983 --> 02:31:17,568
To me and my chiIdren,
2463
02:31:17,652 --> 02:31:18,736
Percy SIedge
SINGER
2464
02:31:18,820 --> 02:31:20,487
he meant so much to our Iives.
2465
02:31:22,323 --> 02:31:25,826
He was, to me, the greatest entertainer
I had ever seen in my Iife.
2466
02:31:25,910 --> 02:31:27,161
Whitney Houston
SINGER
2467
02:31:27,245 --> 02:31:30,164
He was a gentleman and he was very kind.
2468
02:31:30,874 --> 02:31:33,333
And I'II aIways Iove him, aIways.
2469
02:31:35,670 --> 02:31:37,796
REBBIE: He was one ofthe warmest
2470
02:31:37,881 --> 02:31:41,425
and most IoveabIe persons
you couId ever meet.
2471
02:31:43,845 --> 02:31:47,431
I think MichaeI's greatest achievement,
throughout his Iife,
2472
02:31:48,558 --> 02:31:50,642
was making peopIe happy,
2473
02:31:50,727 --> 02:31:52,352
heIping peopIe.
2474
02:31:52,437 --> 02:31:57,232
If somebody needed an operation,
or a famiIy starving that needed food,
2475
02:31:57,358 --> 02:32:00,569
he wouId send over groceries for a year
and things Iike that.
2476
02:32:00,904 --> 02:32:03,739
I think that's where
he reaIIy got his enjoyment,
2477
02:32:03,948 --> 02:32:07,951
seeing somebody sad become happy.
2478
02:32:08,077 --> 02:32:12,289
Those are the things he reaIIy wanted
to achieve that was beyond the music.
2479
02:32:13,291 --> 02:32:18,378
We wiII remember him
as this great showman and humanitarian.
2480
02:32:24,135 --> 02:32:25,302
When peopIe say to me,
2481
02:32:25,386 --> 02:32:27,346
"Do you think of MichaeI
as being a tragedy?"
2482
02:32:27,430 --> 02:32:29,223
I just don't think of that at aII.
2483
02:32:29,307 --> 02:32:32,559
I think that MichaeI's story
is one of triumph.
2484
02:32:33,770 --> 02:32:38,106
This is a man who was the totaI embodiment
of the American dream.
2485
02:32:38,233 --> 02:32:43,403
This is a guy who came out of Gary, Indiana,
and set the worId on fire.
2486
02:32:43,613 --> 02:32:45,405
He did amazing things with his life.
2487
02:32:45,615 --> 02:32:47,324
Did he make mistakes? Yes.
2488
02:32:47,450 --> 02:32:50,994
But that's the humanity of MichaeI Jackson,
I think, that's most appeaIing.
2489
02:32:51,412 --> 02:32:53,997
DOZIER: He wanted to make the world
a better place.
2490
02:32:54,332 --> 02:32:57,501
That spirit of his is stiII around now.
2491
02:32:58,086 --> 02:33:03,131
The part that I Ioved the most about him
was that gentIe friend side.
2492
02:33:03,424 --> 02:33:05,843
All the other things, everybody knows about.
2493
02:33:06,010 --> 02:33:08,679
But that part of MichaeI,
that's the part I Iove.
2494
02:33:09,264 --> 02:33:10,764
God bIess MichaeI Jackson, you know,
'cause he was one of the greatest.
2495
02:33:10,932 --> 02:33:11,932
Kenny GambIe & Leon Huff
2496
02:33:12,016 --> 02:33:13,183
PRODUCERS / SONGWRITERS,
PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS
2497
02:33:15,270 --> 02:33:20,858
MichaeI Jackson became
the biggest pop star of aII time
2498
02:33:21,776 --> 02:33:24,778
but that's not how l'm gonna remember him,
2499
02:33:24,946 --> 02:33:28,198
because he was just one great human being.
2500
02:33:29,993 --> 02:33:33,120
Rest well, my friend. l love you, M.
2501
02:33:34,455 --> 02:33:39,960
Katherine, how do you feeI
MichaeI Jackson wiII be remembered?
2502
02:33:41,129 --> 02:33:45,966
WeII, David, MichaeI practised one thing,
and it was from his heart,
2503
02:33:46,801 --> 02:33:48,969
L-O-V-E, Iove.
2504
02:33:49,846 --> 02:33:54,182
And I think he wiII be remembered
for the Iove that he had for the worId,
2505
02:33:54,309 --> 02:33:55,976
and especiaIIy for his fans,
2506
02:33:56,728 --> 02:33:58,478
and his famiIy.
2507
02:33:59,022 --> 02:34:00,689
-Thank you so much.
-Okay.
2508
02:34:00,815 --> 02:34:03,901
-I Iove you. Can I have a big hug?
-Of course.
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