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[reporter] It's been four hours
since David Koresh and his
followers
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have refused
to release themselves to the FBI
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following a bloody shootout
with ATF.
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Now, details are scarce,
but the question
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everyone seems to be asking,
"Just when will they come out?"
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[news anchor]
The federal agents came
under heavy and sustained fire
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as they approached a ranch
owned by...
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They're making us
look like monsters.
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Calling us child abusers.
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Everyone's in the chapel
wondering why we're not
going out.
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I need you to talk to 'em.
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[news anchor] ...believed
to have been collected
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by Branch Davidian
cult members.
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[whirring]
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Negotiations failed, Noesner.
They reneged on their deal.
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Let me handle this.
I can have the building
cleared by lunch.
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Look. This isn't the first time
in the history of negotiations
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that someone reneged
on a deal, okay?
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Our primary objective has to be
getting those kids out safely.
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Clearing the building
comes second.
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They're screwing with us.
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Now's the time to apply
more pressure.
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No, no, no.
Let's not mistake getting even
for getting what we want.
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"Trickle-flow-gush."
That's my next strategy.
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If I can get a few people
to trickle out, more will follow
as it starts to flow
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and once Koresh
sees enough people leave,
he won't be the last in line.
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It would undermine
his authority. He'll lead
the rest of them out himself,
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and the whole thing
will be over.
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I just need a little time.
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[sighs] Okay.
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But...
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a little show of force
might help get their attention.
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Okay.
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[David] Over the years...
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you've looked to me
to be your leader.
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To guide you on this journey.
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But I'm no leader.
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I'm a follower. Just like you.
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God has instructed me
to stay here.
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And wait for His sign
before I go out there.
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But I can't ask you
to do the same.
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[helicopter whirring]
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And whoever wants to leave,
you're free to go.
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But those of thinking of going,
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I want you to ask yourself...
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why did you sacrifice
all the comforts you had
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to come here?
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Know it or not,
you came here to be tested.
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And this is a test.
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This is our withering.
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Our time to prove
through suffering...
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that we are worthy
of the miracle that's to come.
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[clears throat]
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The kingdom of heaven
is coming.
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And those of us
that pass this test
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will be the worthy.
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And those of us
that fail this test...
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well... you're gonna have
to answer to God.
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[panting] And I can't--
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-[thud]
-[man] David!
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[wind whistling]
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[sighing]
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You're burning up.
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[wincing]
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Uh, I'll get him some water.
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[panting]
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[panting]
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Which one's my dad?
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Hey. You probably shouldn't be
in here.
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You know that old myrtle tree
outside?
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-The one out front?
-Yeah.
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[Thibodeau] Mm-hmm.
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My dad and I planted it
when I was five.
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He loved that old tree.
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He always wanted to be buried
next to it.
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And now, look.
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Instead, he's getting buried
with buckets and shovels like...
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-like a piece of garbage.
-Hey.
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-[sobs]
-Hey.
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[whirring]
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[whirring]
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[faint rumbling]
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[whirring]
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[clicks]
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Get back. Get back.
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[Steve] You promised
to stay off our land.
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Well, David made a promise, too.
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He gave us his word,
after his message was played,
he'd come out.
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He didn't come out.
He-- he broke his promise.
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Could you put him on the phone?
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No. He doesn't want
to talk to you right now.
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[Gary] Look, Steve,
my bosses are frustrated.
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They don't understand
why you didn't come out.
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Look, I'm embarrassed
about that, on a
personal level.
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We were gonna come out, but...
God told David that we
needed to wait.
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-God told him?
-Yeah, just like you guys
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follow a higher authority,
we do too.
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Okay. So, what now?
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So, now, we wait
for a sign from God
to tell us to come out.
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Look...
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I know this all probably
sounds funny to ya.
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But...
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what if there is a higher power
than you or I, Gary?
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And that higher power,
He speaks to David?
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If there is a God
in this universe,
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and you've got the laws of man
and the laws of God,
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and that God that has led David
his entire life
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says to him, "Wait."
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I mean,
what is he supposed to do?
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Well, I have to be honest
with you, Steve.
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I don't know how my bosses
are gonna respond
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when I tell them we're waiting
for a sign from God.
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You know,
what I could really use
is a sign of good faith.
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If David could send
some of the people out.
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What, do you think
we're hostages here?
No one is a hostage here, Gary.
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Everyone is free
to come and go as they please.
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Then why isn't anyone
coming out?
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Because, right now,
everyone feels safer in here
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than they do out there with you.
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And because once you get
into this building,
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you're going to be able
to mess with the evidence
in any way that you want.
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And you can make up any story
that you want,
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but if this building stands,
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and the reporters and the press
get to see the evidence,
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then it is going to be
clearly shown what happened
here, what these men--
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what yourmen
came in here to do.
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-You want us to come out?
-David, listen. You've gotta--
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Then why are you bringing
these tanks in here?
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Do you know what that tells me?
[panting]
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That this is war.
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Why are you sending
all these people in here,
guns a-blazing?
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For war, Gary.
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-[helicopter whirring]
-And now, these tanks?
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And these guys surrounding us?
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You say you want us
to come out, but it sure
doesn't look like that to us.
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David, I--
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[gasps]
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[grunts]
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[sighs]
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"Personal level."
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"On a personal level."
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What'd we just learn
from this conversation?
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That they'll do whatever
this Koresh guy tells 'em.
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No, we already knew that.
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But Steve said that he
was embarrassed about that
"on a personal level."
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He's separating himself
from Koresh.
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-Saying he doesn't agree.
-Huh.
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What can you tell me
about this Steve Schneider?
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Uh, well, he was
a professor of theology
at the University of Hawaii.
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-Uh-huh.
-He's originally from Wisconsin.
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He and his wife joined the group
six years ago.
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He's their star recruiter.
The group has nearly doubled
since he joined.
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-Really?
-Our informant says
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that he's the glue
that keeps this place together.
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And get this.
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His wife, Judy,
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recently had a baby with Koresh.
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[whistles] That can't be good
for the relationship.
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Yeah.
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[Walter chuckles]
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If Steve brought
most of these people in,
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I would guess
he feels responsible
for their well-being.
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Right? Let's focus
all our attention on him.
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If we can break Steve away,
this whole thing ends.
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[Steve] David...?
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[voice echoes] Can you hear me?
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I'd like to send
some people out.
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Jaydean's kids
are without a mother,
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and Margaret and Catherine,
they're just--
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they're just too old for this.
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[Rachel]
We are running low on food.
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And our water supply
is real bad.
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The less mouths to feed,
the better.
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[knocking]
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-Well, that's getting worse.
-Yeah.
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Let me see.
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It hurts real bad.
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[Steve] Ooh-whee.
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-Hey.
-Hmm?
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-I'm thinking you should go.
-Well, is David going?
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[sighs] No.
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-Then I'm not going.
-Look at your finger.
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If that infection spreads,
you-- I mean, you could
lose your hand.
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-I know.
-You could lose your life.
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It hurts so bad, I can't sleep.
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Cut it off.
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What?
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I'm gonna lose it anyway, Steve.
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-Cut it off.
-No!
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Has everyone around here
lost their minds?
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Nobody's
cutting your finger off!
And I'm sending you outside
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-to get medical attention.
-No, you're not!
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-Yes I am--
-No, you are not!
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I just got off the phone.
They're sending four people out.
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-Two of 'em, kids.
-That's a start.
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Four people seems hardly cause
for celebration.
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Well, they're
starting to trickle out.
The strategy's working.
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Now, you think you can help me
coordinate bringing 'em out?
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Yeah, sure.
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[baby moans]
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[whining] Mama.
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Mama. Ma...
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Hey, there.
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I'm Gary. What's your name?
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-Leona.
-Leona?
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Such a pretty name.
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Hey, why don't we call your mom
and tell her you're okay?
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-We can't call her.
-Why not?
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Because you killed her.
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[sighs]
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-Hey, Steve?
-Yep?
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I was wondering
if you could talk to
the FBI about Perry.
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See if they'll let us
bury his body outside.
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I asked you to bury his body
in the storm shelter.
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-I know. It's just-- Michelle.
-Mm-hmm.
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I know it would mean
a lot to her if we could
bury him by the myrtle tree--
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It's impossible.
It's not gonna happen.
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Could you just ask? Please?
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[sighs] I can try.
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[Ron] All right, today,
we got something a little
different for y'all.
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Our guest today
is a Dr. James Tabor,
professor of-- what was it?
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I specialize
in emergent religions.
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Emergent religions.
224
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Let's talk about your interest
in this Branch Davidian cult.
225
00:14:41,097 --> 00:14:43,316
Yeah, I'm gonna stop you
right there, Ron.
226
00:14:44,143 --> 00:14:47,146
I would propose that there's
no such thing as a cult.
227
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"Cult" is a judgment word used
to talk about somebody else's
228
00:14:50,367 --> 00:14:52,195
tightly-knit religious group.
229
00:14:52,325 --> 00:14:55,328
Nobody in the world belongs
to what they see as a cult.
230
00:14:55,459 --> 00:14:58,201
[Ron] Yeah, but there are
certain traits you think of
231
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-when you think of a cult.
-[Tabor] That's true.
232
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The early Christians,
by our definition, belonged
to a cult.
233
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[Ron] So you're saying
Jesus was a cult leader?
234
00:15:08,733 --> 00:15:10,561
[Tabor] I wasn't saying it
exactly like that,
235
00:15:10,691 --> 00:15:15,261
but by the common definition
of "cult," yes.
236
00:15:15,392 --> 00:15:19,178
[Ron] Oh, that got
the phones ringing.
You done it now, Dr. Tabor.
237
00:15:20,658 --> 00:15:25,054
Excuse me.
My son is in Mt. Carmel,
and I need to talk to him.
238
00:15:26,098 --> 00:15:28,013
How did you get
past the barricade?
239
00:15:28,144 --> 00:15:31,712
Listen, I am not
altogether sure how he got
mixed up in all this mess,
240
00:15:31,843 --> 00:15:34,411
but I know
if I could talk to him,
if I could just speak to him,
241
00:15:34,541 --> 00:15:36,630
that I could get him
to come out.
242
00:15:37,457 --> 00:15:38,981
I'm sorry,
I can't let you do that.
243
00:15:39,111 --> 00:15:40,634
-Why not?
-Because I don't wanna give him
244
00:15:40,765 --> 00:15:43,855
or anyone in there the chance
to tie up loose ends.
245
00:15:45,639 --> 00:15:47,990
You think that they're
gonna kill themselves?
246
00:15:48,816 --> 00:15:50,079
Doesn't matter what I think.
247
00:15:50,862 --> 00:15:53,560
But I'm not gonna give them
a chance to say goodbye
either way.
248
00:15:53,691 --> 00:15:55,388
Please escort her
back behind the checkpoint.
249
00:15:55,519 --> 00:15:57,521
I just wanna know
if he's all right.
250
00:15:57,651 --> 00:15:59,001
His name is David Thibodeau.
251
00:15:59,131 --> 00:16:00,872
The news reports
aren't releasing any names.
252
00:16:01,046 --> 00:16:04,093
I'm sorry, ma'am.
I don't have any more
information at this time.
253
00:16:04,223 --> 00:16:08,097
I just need to know
if he's alive! Please!
254
00:16:11,709 --> 00:16:13,711
[Rachel] David,
your fever's not breaking.
255
00:16:13,841 --> 00:16:16,888
I'm afraid you're going to die
if we don't get you help.
256
00:16:19,064 --> 00:16:20,413
[David murmurs]
257
00:16:21,458 --> 00:16:23,373
It's all part of God's plan.
258
00:16:23,503 --> 00:16:26,463
No. I just lost my father.
I'm not gonna lose you, too.
259
00:16:27,464 --> 00:16:29,161
[phone rings]
260
00:16:32,686 --> 00:16:35,341
-Hello?
-[Gary] Hello. Who's this?
261
00:16:37,256 --> 00:16:40,216
-Cyrus.
-David's son.
262
00:16:40,346 --> 00:16:42,218
-Yeah.
-Well, hello, Cyrus.
263
00:16:42,348 --> 00:16:44,350
Can you put your dad
on the phone?
264
00:16:46,222 --> 00:16:48,398
Are you gonna kill me?
265
00:16:49,225 --> 00:16:53,272
[gulps] No.
No one's going to kill you.
266
00:16:54,056 --> 00:16:55,274
[Steve] Cyrus?
267
00:16:56,101 --> 00:16:57,450
Thanks, buddy.
268
00:16:58,843 --> 00:17:00,366
Come here.
269
00:17:01,498 --> 00:17:02,673
Hello, this is Steve Schneider.
270
00:17:04,066 --> 00:17:06,677
Oh, hey, Steve.
Just wanted to give you
a quick call
271
00:17:06,807 --> 00:17:09,201
and let you know
that everybody arrived safe.
272
00:17:09,332 --> 00:17:12,683
Good. Well,
I hope that shows you
what we're about.
273
00:17:13,466 --> 00:17:15,468
We wanna see this
resolved peacefully.
274
00:17:15,642 --> 00:17:19,472
Of course.
I can tell you're the voice
of reason in there.
275
00:17:19,646 --> 00:17:22,997
I bet people count on you
to make sure they're
taken care of.
276
00:17:23,128 --> 00:17:25,174
[Steve]
I'm not sure that's true.
277
00:17:25,304 --> 00:17:28,873
Well, from what I hear,
you're the reason the group's
grown like it has.
278
00:17:29,003 --> 00:17:32,355
The reason that
the group has grown is
because of David's teaching,
279
00:17:32,485 --> 00:17:33,965
not because
of anything I'm doing.
280
00:17:34,096 --> 00:17:35,488
I think you're being modest.
281
00:17:37,099 --> 00:17:38,970
Knowing everything
you know now...
282
00:17:39,797 --> 00:17:42,930
are you happy you brought
all those people in there?
283
00:17:43,714 --> 00:17:45,716
I'm not sure
what you're driving at, Gary.
284
00:17:45,846 --> 00:17:50,155
Well, do you think
David has everyone's
best interest in mind?
285
00:17:55,117 --> 00:17:57,249
Yeah. I do.
286
00:17:57,380 --> 00:17:59,686
Because, forgive me
for saying this,
287
00:17:59,860 --> 00:18:02,907
but I can't help but notice
a trend that when God
comes to talk
288
00:18:03,037 --> 00:18:05,083
to modern-day prophets,
289
00:18:05,866 --> 00:18:08,086
it seems one thing
He always tells them to do
290
00:18:08,217 --> 00:18:10,828
is have sex
with lots of young women.
291
00:18:11,785 --> 00:18:14,788
Well, that's
a pretty cynical view
of what we're doing here.
292
00:18:14,919 --> 00:18:17,400
I'm not sure I appreciate
your tone with that one.
293
00:18:17,530 --> 00:18:20,794
-Then explain it to me.
-I'm not stupid.
294
00:18:20,925 --> 00:18:24,624
I know you're trying to create
dissent between me and David.
295
00:18:25,408 --> 00:18:27,540
You're right, I am.
'Cause you know what I think?
296
00:18:28,498 --> 00:18:30,761
I think David's dying,
297
00:18:30,891 --> 00:18:33,111
and I think he doesn't mind
bringing all of you with him.
298
00:18:33,242 --> 00:18:35,157
You know, Gary,
where you've got this all wrong,
299
00:18:35,287 --> 00:18:37,028
the thing that you're missing...
300
00:18:37,159 --> 00:18:38,769
is this is real.
301
00:18:38,899 --> 00:18:41,337
I do believe that David
is the Lamb of God.
302
00:18:41,511 --> 00:18:43,513
Not because of any trick
he's pulled,
303
00:18:43,687 --> 00:18:47,517
but because of what I have seen
with my own two eyes.
304
00:18:47,647 --> 00:18:52,826
But he's lost his way, Steve.
I think you can see it.
305
00:18:54,045 --> 00:18:58,876
For years,
David has been prophesying
exactlywhat is happening here.
306
00:18:59,050 --> 00:19:02,009
From the way
you came in, to the tanks,
the soldiers, everything.
307
00:19:02,140 --> 00:19:04,882
I can't figure out
another explanation
that makes any sense.
308
00:19:05,709 --> 00:19:09,191
For a minor weapons violation?
All this?
309
00:19:09,365 --> 00:19:11,323
You think
he's lost his way?
310
00:19:11,454 --> 00:19:15,632
Everything David has prophesied
has come true.
311
00:19:20,202 --> 00:19:22,116
[sighs]
312
00:19:29,733 --> 00:19:32,083
Hey, guys,
stay away from the window.
313
00:19:32,214 --> 00:19:34,041
-It's not safe.
-[helicopter whirring]
314
00:19:40,091 --> 00:19:41,962
[Cyrus]
Why are they doing that?
315
00:19:42,093 --> 00:19:43,616
I don't know.
316
00:19:43,747 --> 00:19:45,618
Come on. Let's go.
317
00:19:46,706 --> 00:19:49,535
-[helicopter whirring]
-[Walter] What's going on?
318
00:19:52,103 --> 00:19:53,670
[sighs]
319
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,933
What goes through
people's heads, you know?
320
00:19:56,063 --> 00:19:59,241
I mean, these HRT guys,
what makes grown men
act like that?
321
00:19:59,371 --> 00:20:02,244
They're mooning kids,
for God's sake.
322
00:20:02,374 --> 00:20:04,071
They're just built that way.
323
00:20:04,942 --> 00:20:08,250
The sad thing is, the Davidians
can't tell us apart from them.
324
00:20:12,602 --> 00:20:14,560
I need you to get me
a video camera.
325
00:20:16,345 --> 00:20:18,390
Ready?
How's my hair?
326
00:20:18,521 --> 00:20:20,087
It's about as good
as it's gonna get.
327
00:20:20,262 --> 00:20:22,046
-Knock it off.
-[laughs]
328
00:20:22,176 --> 00:20:23,700
All right. We're good.
329
00:20:25,092 --> 00:20:28,226
Hello. I'm Gary Noesner.
330
00:20:29,053 --> 00:20:30,750
The notorious.
331
00:20:30,881 --> 00:20:33,275
And...
332
00:20:33,449 --> 00:20:34,841
this is my family.
333
00:20:36,408 --> 00:20:38,062
Yeah, that's my wife,
Carol, there,
334
00:20:38,192 --> 00:20:43,154
and my kids, Kelly, Katy,
and Rusty, and I love 'em.
335
00:20:43,328 --> 00:20:45,852
I'm sure you love your kids
the same way.
336
00:20:46,026 --> 00:20:49,508
And there is literally
nothing I wouldn't do to keep
my children safe.
337
00:20:51,075 --> 00:20:53,120
I'm sure we share that feeling.
338
00:20:55,297 --> 00:20:57,647
Now, any way you look at it,
this is a bad situation,
339
00:20:57,777 --> 00:21:02,478
but I wanna make sure
that your kids remain
safe through it all.
340
00:21:03,392 --> 00:21:05,437
So, please...
341
00:21:06,438 --> 00:21:08,310
please work with me.
342
00:21:09,136 --> 00:21:10,268
Help me keep your kids safe.
343
00:21:10,399 --> 00:21:12,575
[whirring]
344
00:21:14,228 --> 00:21:15,795
[baby crying]
345
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:17,884
[whispers] Rachel?
346
00:21:19,930 --> 00:21:21,584
[baby crying]
347
00:21:22,411 --> 00:21:24,761
Hey, I got a weird question.
348
00:21:24,891 --> 00:21:26,197
Y'know, I...
349
00:21:28,199 --> 00:21:31,550
Uh... I'm not producing
any milk.
350
00:21:32,899 --> 00:21:36,512
And... I was wondering
if you had some to spare
for Mayanah.
351
00:21:36,686 --> 00:21:40,342
I'm having the same problem.
All the mothers are.
352
00:21:41,168 --> 00:21:44,650
-You are?
-Yeah. Sorry.
353
00:21:44,781 --> 00:21:48,132
-Oh, God.
-[Rachel sniffles]
354
00:21:48,262 --> 00:21:50,264
All right.
355
00:21:52,136 --> 00:21:54,486
-[baby crying]
-Shh, shh, shh...
356
00:21:56,227 --> 00:21:58,098
[groans]
357
00:21:58,229 --> 00:22:00,449
This universe is mine.
358
00:22:00,579 --> 00:22:01,711
[Walter]
I can't believe
Koresh likes this.
359
00:22:01,885 --> 00:22:03,408
I am God here!
360
00:22:04,235 --> 00:22:06,237
-Jesus.
-[chuckles]
361
00:22:07,325 --> 00:22:09,414
-I don't get this movie.
-Mm.
362
00:22:09,588 --> 00:22:11,808
I can't say it makes
my top 10 list either.
363
00:22:11,938 --> 00:22:14,376
[man on video] You're wrong.
You need to be led--
364
00:22:14,550 --> 00:22:15,551
-[phone ringing]
-Ready?
365
00:22:15,725 --> 00:22:17,596
-Yeah.
-[monitor beeps]
366
00:22:18,380 --> 00:22:20,599
-Hello?
-Hey, Gary, it's Steve.
367
00:22:20,773 --> 00:22:24,516
Um, we just wanted to say
thanks for sending
the videotape.
368
00:22:24,647 --> 00:22:26,126
We understand
what you're trying to do,
369
00:22:26,257 --> 00:22:28,781
and we really appreciate
you making that effort.
370
00:22:28,955 --> 00:22:31,436
I just wanted you to know
that there's some people
out here
371
00:22:31,567 --> 00:22:33,612
who care about what happens
to you, that's all.
372
00:22:33,743 --> 00:22:35,571
Yeah. Um...
373
00:22:35,701 --> 00:22:38,748
I do have one small problem,
374
00:22:38,878 --> 00:22:41,577
and I could really use
your help.
375
00:22:41,707 --> 00:22:43,753
-What kinda problem?
-[sighs] So...
376
00:22:43,883 --> 00:22:45,929
I guess because of the stress
of all this,
377
00:22:46,973 --> 00:22:51,804
the mothers
who are nursing have...
have stopped lactating.
378
00:22:51,935 --> 00:22:55,417
So... we need milk.
379
00:22:55,547 --> 00:22:58,245
For the babies.
Could you send some in?
380
00:22:59,072 --> 00:23:02,511
-Let me talk to my bosses.
-Okay. Thanks, Gary.
381
00:23:02,641 --> 00:23:03,903
You bet.
382
00:23:07,211 --> 00:23:10,910
No, I'm not throwing them
a picnic on national TV.
383
00:23:11,041 --> 00:23:13,347
They want milk,
they can come out and get it.
384
00:23:13,478 --> 00:23:17,961
Look. Usually the people
I negotiate with are backed
into a corner.
385
00:23:18,091 --> 00:23:21,443
They need something.
And that's what gives me
leverage.
386
00:23:21,573 --> 00:23:25,098
But these people,
they just want us to go away.
387
00:23:25,229 --> 00:23:27,927
The only way I've been
able to motivate them
is with goodwill.
388
00:23:28,058 --> 00:23:31,714
But now, their babies need milk,
and we can give it to them.
389
00:23:32,932 --> 00:23:35,761
This is something
we can build on.
We can use this.
390
00:23:37,415 --> 00:23:40,331
So, Steve,
I talked to my bosses,
391
00:23:40,462 --> 00:23:41,941
and they're gonna give you
the milk.
392
00:23:42,072 --> 00:23:43,856
Aw, Gary.
[sighs]
393
00:23:43,987 --> 00:23:46,380
Thank you.
I really appreciate that.
394
00:23:47,338 --> 00:23:50,776
But there's one condition.
You're gonna have to send
some kids out.
395
00:23:53,562 --> 00:23:57,609
Wait. Um...
let me just make sure
I'm hearing you correctly.
396
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,830
Um, you want us to trade...
397
00:24:02,135 --> 00:24:03,310
our kids for the milk?
398
00:24:04,137 --> 00:24:06,313
I wouldn't
really put it like that.
I'm just saying that--
399
00:24:06,444 --> 00:24:09,012
Look, I don't wanna
point out the obvious,
but if we send out our kids,
400
00:24:09,142 --> 00:24:10,622
then we won't need
the milk, will we?
401
00:24:10,753 --> 00:24:11,667
Steve?
402
00:24:11,797 --> 00:24:14,321
-Yeah?
-May I?
403
00:24:15,366 --> 00:24:17,803
Um, yeah.
David wants to talk to you.
404
00:24:18,587 --> 00:24:20,371
Yeah, how much milk
we talking here, Gary?
405
00:24:20,545 --> 00:24:22,112
-David--
-Two quarts per kid? Three?
406
00:24:22,242 --> 00:24:25,202
I mean, some kids
gotta be worth more than others.
407
00:24:25,332 --> 00:24:29,902
Cyrus, my son, he's eight,
but he can fix any car engine
you put in front of him.
408
00:24:30,076 --> 00:24:33,645
That's gotta be worth,
what, at least three quarts
and a milkshake?
409
00:24:34,472 --> 00:24:35,604
You people.
410
00:24:36,387 --> 00:24:37,997
[handset clicks]
411
00:24:38,998 --> 00:24:40,043
[sighs]
412
00:24:40,217 --> 00:24:42,219
You shouldn't have done that.
413
00:24:42,349 --> 00:24:43,786
You know we have to work
with them.
414
00:24:44,961 --> 00:24:45,831
Yeah, well...
415
00:24:45,962 --> 00:24:48,355
good luck with that, Steve.
416
00:25:07,592 --> 00:25:11,204
Rachel? This is how
I'd like to ration out
the food and water.
417
00:25:12,031 --> 00:25:13,250
Can you take care of that?
418
00:25:13,424 --> 00:25:15,295
No one's gonna be happy
with this.
419
00:25:15,426 --> 00:25:18,037
Well, if they don't like it,
they're welcome to leave.
420
00:25:19,778 --> 00:25:22,955
Steve. Steve,
did you get any news
about the milk?
421
00:25:23,086 --> 00:25:27,525
Yeah. I'm-- I'm--
I'm working on it. I promise.
422
00:25:27,656 --> 00:25:29,440
Hey, Steve,
have you had a chance
to talk to the FBI about Perry?
423
00:25:29,614 --> 00:25:33,226
Look, Thibs, just bury the body
like I asked you. Okay?
424
00:25:39,145 --> 00:25:41,104
-[Gary] You get bacon on yours?
-[Walter] Yeah.
425
00:25:41,234 --> 00:25:44,890
Oh. I shoulda gotten bacon
on mine.
426
00:25:46,631 --> 00:25:49,895
You know, that's how we stopped
the Clarksville prison riot.
427
00:25:50,026 --> 00:25:51,854
-With bacon?
-Oh, yeah.
428
00:25:52,985 --> 00:25:56,119
It was after day eight,
and we took a bunch of bacon
429
00:25:56,249 --> 00:25:58,425
and threw it on some coals.
430
00:25:58,556 --> 00:26:01,472
The prisoners smelled it
and were instantly overcome
with hunger.
431
00:26:01,603 --> 00:26:04,736
And I told them,
if they came out, they could eat
as much as them want.
432
00:26:06,129 --> 00:26:09,480
Never underestimate
what a hungry man will do
for bacon.
433
00:26:09,611 --> 00:26:11,264
Shame the Davidians
don't eat pork.
434
00:26:11,438 --> 00:26:12,962
-It is.
-[chuckles]
435
00:26:15,268 --> 00:26:17,270
[man on radio]
We've got movement
outside the compound.
436
00:26:17,401 --> 00:26:19,185
- All agents to their posts.
-Shit.
437
00:26:19,316 --> 00:26:21,013
Prepare to fire on command.
438
00:26:21,971 --> 00:26:23,494
[phone rings]
439
00:26:24,321 --> 00:26:26,236
-It's Steve.
-Steve! What's going on?
440
00:26:26,366 --> 00:26:28,499
Tactical says
someone exited the compound.
441
00:26:29,456 --> 00:26:30,414
Shit!
442
00:26:36,812 --> 00:26:38,770
It's Thibodeau. He's unarmed!
443
00:26:38,901 --> 00:26:41,555
He's just trying to bury a body.
Please don't shoot him!
444
00:26:41,686 --> 00:26:42,818
Okay, hang on, Steve.
445
00:26:42,948 --> 00:26:44,776
-Where's Decker?
-I don't know.
446
00:26:46,169 --> 00:26:48,475
[dispatcher] Copy sniper one,
sniper one, you got the loop.
447
00:26:54,481 --> 00:26:57,223
-[Wayne] Steve!
-Get out of my way!
448
00:26:58,529 --> 00:27:00,662
Thibs!
You gotta get back in here!
449
00:27:08,365 --> 00:27:09,888
Tell your man to stand down!
450
00:27:10,019 --> 00:27:12,325
This is a tactical decision.
It's not your call, Gary.
451
00:27:12,456 --> 00:27:14,371
No, no. He's just trying
to bury a body.
452
00:27:14,501 --> 00:27:16,199
And I'm telling you,
you don't know what
he's burying.
453
00:27:16,329 --> 00:27:17,679
That could be a bomb,
for all we know.
454
00:27:17,809 --> 00:27:19,419
Damn it, I'm telling you,
the kid's unarmed.
455
00:27:19,550 --> 00:27:21,030
And I'm telling you,
you don't know that, Gary.
456
00:27:21,204 --> 00:27:23,510
Now, I can't have people
strolling outside,
457
00:27:23,641 --> 00:27:25,861
walking around, looking
at our positions on things.
458
00:27:25,991 --> 00:27:28,167
The kid is trying to bury
one of his dead, Mitch.
459
00:27:28,298 --> 00:27:32,345
They let the ATF
take their wounded away.
Show 'em the same respect.
460
00:27:32,476 --> 00:27:35,914
They lost my respect
when they started killing
federal agents, Gary.
461
00:27:36,088 --> 00:27:38,351
All right, all right.
You want another Ruby Ridge
on your hands?
462
00:27:38,482 --> 00:27:40,179
-Yeah.
-Go ahead, shoot that boy.
463
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:41,877
But just remember,
the ATF's not gonna be around
464
00:27:42,007 --> 00:27:44,183
-to take the blame this time!
-I don't give a shit!
465
00:27:47,621 --> 00:27:50,712
Requesting permission
to take the shot. Over.
466
00:27:52,104 --> 00:27:54,367
[sniper]
I have the target in my view.
467
00:27:54,541 --> 00:27:56,500
[mutters]
468
00:27:58,110 --> 00:28:02,375
Repeat, requesting permission
to take the shot. Over.
469
00:28:08,207 --> 00:28:09,556
Stand down.
470
00:28:33,798 --> 00:28:35,278
Thank you.
Good morning, everyone.
471
00:28:36,105 --> 00:28:40,762
A few days ago, the FBI learned
that the Branch Davidians
ran out of milk.
472
00:28:41,588 --> 00:28:43,460
And they are no longer able
to feed their children.
473
00:28:43,634 --> 00:28:45,288
Nice of them
to tell the truth for once.
474
00:28:45,418 --> 00:28:47,116
Numerous attempts have been
made by the FBI
475
00:28:47,290 --> 00:28:49,509
to deliver milk
for their babies,
476
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,120
but they have all been refused.
477
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:56,255
It seems they are
using their own children
as pawns in this thing.
478
00:28:57,126 --> 00:28:59,171
David Koresh...
479
00:28:59,998 --> 00:29:02,218
let us bring milk
to those children.
480
00:29:02,348 --> 00:29:05,569
Pawns, Gary?
We're using our kids as pawns?
481
00:29:05,699 --> 00:29:08,006
-Is that what you think?
-No, it's not.
482
00:29:08,137 --> 00:29:09,834
Then why are they
saying that on TV?
483
00:29:10,661 --> 00:29:12,445
-I don't know.
-Your boss said
484
00:29:12,576 --> 00:29:14,621
they have made attempts
to deliver milk.
485
00:29:14,752 --> 00:29:17,189
Now, when did that happen?
Because we've been here
the entire time,
486
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,496
and I don't recall anyone
knocking on our door!
487
00:29:20,540 --> 00:29:23,674
Steve, look.
I wanna get you that milk.
That's the God's honest truth.
488
00:29:23,848 --> 00:29:26,459
But you're gonna have to let out
some of the kids in return.
489
00:29:26,590 --> 00:29:28,853
I'm sorry, Gary.
That's not gonna happen.
490
00:29:28,984 --> 00:29:31,290
-[line clicks]
-[sighs]
491
00:29:34,032 --> 00:29:35,468
[sighs]
492
00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:37,906
[reporter]
With cult leader David Koresh
493
00:29:38,036 --> 00:29:40,038
becoming less involved
in direct negotiations,
494
00:29:40,212 --> 00:29:43,563
authorities suspect
his wounds may be getting worse.
495
00:29:43,737 --> 00:29:47,785
Agents told cult members
that those not charged
with serious offenses
496
00:29:47,916 --> 00:29:50,527
eventually will be allowed
to return to the compound
497
00:29:50,701 --> 00:29:53,008
once it's cleared
of the crime scene.
498
00:29:53,138 --> 00:29:56,185
-Sheriff Harwell?
-Yeah?
499
00:29:56,315 --> 00:29:59,144
I'm Gary Noesner,
Head Negotiator, FBI.
500
00:30:00,015 --> 00:30:02,408
Mm. Can I help you?
501
00:30:03,583 --> 00:30:05,716
-You mind?
-[murmurs]
502
00:30:08,066 --> 00:30:09,502
Well...
503
00:30:10,286 --> 00:30:14,681
when I can't get a guy
to trust me, I try and find
someone he will trust.
504
00:30:16,031 --> 00:30:18,163
And David Koresh trusts you.
505
00:30:18,947 --> 00:30:19,861
Mm.
506
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,516
I could really use your help.
507
00:30:27,477 --> 00:30:29,087
[phone ringing]
508
00:30:29,218 --> 00:30:30,567
[grunts]
509
00:30:31,481 --> 00:30:33,265
[ringing continues]
510
00:30:36,616 --> 00:30:40,882
-[groans] This is David.
-David, it's Sheriff Harwell.
511
00:30:41,056 --> 00:30:42,579
[sighs]
512
00:30:43,362 --> 00:30:44,668
Hey, Jack.
513
00:30:45,930 --> 00:30:48,237
Sure is nice
to hear a friendly voice.
514
00:30:48,411 --> 00:30:51,718
David, I came down here today
515
00:30:51,849 --> 00:30:54,417
because I wanna make sure
that those babies get the
milk they need.
516
00:30:55,244 --> 00:30:59,248
Well, they said on the news
it was us refusing to make
this happen, Jack.
517
00:31:00,336 --> 00:31:01,641
It's just--
518
00:31:03,252 --> 00:31:05,994
these are our children
they're asking us to give up.
519
00:31:06,124 --> 00:31:07,734
I understand, but...
520
00:31:07,865 --> 00:31:11,173
it might not be the worst thing
to get the babies fed,
521
00:31:11,303 --> 00:31:15,046
and at the same time,
get some of your other kids
out of harm's way.
522
00:31:15,829 --> 00:31:18,963
-You know what I'm saying?
-Yeah, I do.
523
00:31:19,137 --> 00:31:22,924
Good. Now, David, how much milk
do you think you need?
524
00:31:25,056 --> 00:31:27,711
-Six gallons will do.
-All right.
525
00:31:28,494 --> 00:31:30,583
Now, David, I'm gonna get ya
the six gallons,
526
00:31:30,714 --> 00:31:34,022
but you gotta keep
a level head in this while
we try to resolve this thing.
527
00:31:34,805 --> 00:31:37,634
Thank you, Jack.
You're a good man.
528
00:31:39,331 --> 00:31:42,291
Look, I just don't think
we should make it
so easy on 'em.
529
00:31:42,421 --> 00:31:44,336
Jesus. You think
we made it easy on 'em?
530
00:31:44,467 --> 00:31:47,122
They agreed
to send their kids out,
for Christ's sake.
531
00:31:47,252 --> 00:31:50,125
Right now, the only card
we have to play is
creating goodwill.
532
00:31:50,299 --> 00:31:53,824
No, it's not.
That's youronly card, Gary.
533
00:31:53,955 --> 00:31:55,304
[sighs]
534
00:31:56,131 --> 00:31:58,394
[Gary] Look, the people
they're sending out won't talk.
535
00:31:58,524 --> 00:32:00,962
And we have no idea
what's going on in there--
536
00:32:01,092 --> 00:32:02,398
what they're planning to do.
537
00:32:02,528 --> 00:32:04,356
All right.
What's your point, Noesner?
538
00:32:04,487 --> 00:32:07,620
If we send the milk in
and bug it somehow...
539
00:32:07,751 --> 00:32:09,448
we'll have ears inside.
540
00:32:11,015 --> 00:32:15,498
That'll help me
with negotiations,
and Mitch, tactically.
541
00:32:25,987 --> 00:32:26,900
Do it.
542
00:32:50,054 --> 00:32:51,925
-Judy, you need--
-Shh.
543
00:32:52,056 --> 00:32:53,666
[whispers]
Just got her to sleep.
544
00:32:53,797 --> 00:32:55,103
What's going on?
545
00:32:56,060 --> 00:32:57,801
-Are there more people going?
-Yeah.
546
00:32:58,584 --> 00:33:00,325
And I want you and Mayanah
to be two of 'em.
547
00:33:00,456 --> 00:33:02,545
No. I already told you, Steve.
I can't go--
548
00:33:02,675 --> 00:33:04,938
Well, this is
not about you anymore.
This is about Mayanah.
549
00:33:05,722 --> 00:33:08,725
You asked me to look out for her
like she was my own.
550
00:33:08,855 --> 00:33:11,815
Well, that's what I'm doing.
This is what that looks like.
551
00:33:11,945 --> 00:33:13,512
I don't trust the people
out there, though, Steve.
552
00:33:13,686 --> 00:33:15,166
I don't trust them.
553
00:33:17,516 --> 00:33:18,474
I know.
554
00:33:19,475 --> 00:33:23,044
What about you?
I can't leave you.
555
00:33:24,871 --> 00:33:26,047
I should stay.
556
00:33:31,530 --> 00:33:34,272
-It's the right thing to do.
-[Judy sighs]
557
00:33:35,143 --> 00:33:38,668
Hey, Luke. I'm gonna miss
that inquisitive mind.
558
00:33:38,798 --> 00:33:42,280
I want you
to take care of your mama.
All right, give me a hug.
559
00:33:43,412 --> 00:33:45,109
[David] Okay.
560
00:33:57,513 --> 00:33:58,688
All right.
561
00:33:59,732 --> 00:34:02,431
What are Judy and Mayanah
doing in the hallway?
562
00:34:02,561 --> 00:34:03,910
'Cause they're leaving.
563
00:34:05,956 --> 00:34:07,958
Six gallons.
Bugs are in the crate.
564
00:34:08,089 --> 00:34:10,003
Need a vest?
565
00:34:11,222 --> 00:34:13,137
They don't wanna shoot me.
566
00:34:14,573 --> 00:34:16,271
All right.
567
00:34:20,144 --> 00:34:22,103
[David grunts] Is that everyone?
568
00:34:25,976 --> 00:34:29,240
Um, Dave,
I'd like you to send out...
569
00:34:30,067 --> 00:34:31,851
Judy and Mayanah.
570
00:34:33,723 --> 00:34:34,941
No.
571
00:34:35,725 --> 00:34:37,118
I can't do that.
572
00:34:39,555 --> 00:34:41,122
[faintly] Okay.
573
00:34:44,168 --> 00:34:46,431
You know, I've never asked you
for anything.
574
00:34:49,260 --> 00:34:53,177
In all the years
I've known you, everything
I have done has been for you.
575
00:34:54,657 --> 00:34:59,052
Please, David.
I'm asking you this one thing.
576
00:35:00,576 --> 00:35:02,447
And I'll talk to Judy.
577
00:35:02,578 --> 00:35:05,276
She can just tell them that--
that Mayanah is my daughter.
578
00:35:10,063 --> 00:35:11,630
But, Steve...
579
00:35:12,762 --> 00:35:15,286
she's not your daughter.
580
00:35:15,417 --> 00:35:17,158
She's mine.
581
00:35:23,425 --> 00:35:25,296
Right.
582
00:35:26,123 --> 00:35:27,255
[faintly] Right.
583
00:35:32,085 --> 00:35:33,304
I wanna stay with you.
584
00:35:33,435 --> 00:35:35,393
Oh, I wanna stay
with you, too, baby.
585
00:35:35,524 --> 00:35:37,352
-But God wants me to stay here.
-[child] Mommy...?
586
00:35:37,482 --> 00:35:41,182
And I need
to keep you safe, okay?
587
00:35:50,321 --> 00:35:52,584
You're the greatest gift
God ever gave me.
588
00:36:15,216 --> 00:36:16,695
[Steve] Let's go.
589
00:36:26,227 --> 00:36:29,404
Hey, guys. Right up here.
590
00:36:30,231 --> 00:36:32,058
-You got it? Come here.
-[child whimpers]
591
00:36:32,189 --> 00:36:36,149
Come here, buddy.
Come here. Come here.
Let's go. Come on with me.
592
00:36:36,933 --> 00:36:39,414
How many guns you think
they're pointing at us
right now?
593
00:36:40,241 --> 00:36:42,982
-I bet a lot.
-[Wayne chuckles]
594
00:37:00,173 --> 00:37:04,743
-Steve, hi. Wayne, Gary Noesner.
-Hey.
595
00:37:05,614 --> 00:37:08,007
-[Gary] Hi.
-Yeah, I've seen your video.
596
00:37:09,095 --> 00:37:11,489
But I'm sure
I'm much better-looking
in person, right?
597
00:37:11,620 --> 00:37:14,753
Let's just say that you got
a pretty good face for radio.
598
00:37:14,927 --> 00:37:16,929
[chuckling]
599
00:37:17,060 --> 00:37:17,930
Could we just
get this over with?
600
00:37:18,061 --> 00:37:19,715
Yeah, sure. I'm sorry.
601
00:37:19,845 --> 00:37:22,108
Steve, can I talk
to you for a minute,
just you and I?
602
00:37:22,935 --> 00:37:24,763
Yeah. It's okay.
603
00:37:30,726 --> 00:37:33,772
You need to know
your people are in a lot
more danger than you think.
604
00:37:36,427 --> 00:37:38,995
And in my experience, the longer
these situations go on,
605
00:37:39,169 --> 00:37:41,345
the more erratic
people's behavior gets.
606
00:37:42,346 --> 00:37:44,087
Yeah, we're seeing that
on our side, too.
607
00:37:44,217 --> 00:37:45,741
Uh-huh.
608
00:37:47,830 --> 00:37:50,354
-Can I ask you something, Steve?
-Yeah.
609
00:37:51,312 --> 00:37:53,096
Whose child is Mayanah?
610
00:37:56,708 --> 00:37:58,841
We've all made
a lot of sacrifices to be here.
611
00:37:58,971 --> 00:38:02,845
-She's David's child, isn't she?
-I made a choice.
612
00:38:02,975 --> 00:38:04,629
Judy made a choice.
613
00:38:07,415 --> 00:38:09,765
How is she, Judy?
I heard she was shot.
614
00:38:11,332 --> 00:38:13,072
-She's fine.
-She's fine?
615
00:38:13,203 --> 00:38:16,075
She has a bullet in her,
and her baby needs milk,
but she's fine?
616
00:38:16,206 --> 00:38:18,730
She's still in there.
Why is that?
617
00:38:19,731 --> 00:38:21,167
Because we made
a decision together--
618
00:38:21,298 --> 00:38:23,387
No.
No, I think
619
00:38:23,561 --> 00:38:25,433
David was the one
who made that decision, not you.
620
00:38:25,563 --> 00:38:27,565
I think if it were up to you,
621
00:38:27,696 --> 00:38:30,655
Judy would be
in that vehicle right now,
with Mayanah.
622
00:38:33,092 --> 00:38:34,355
Am I wrong?
623
00:38:37,053 --> 00:38:38,881
Now, look, Steve,
the thing you gotta realize
624
00:38:39,011 --> 00:38:42,319
is that you do have the power
to make your own decisions.
625
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,411
Decisions for you,
for Judy, for Mayanah,
for everyone in there
626
00:38:47,585 --> 00:38:51,110
who is waiting
for someone to find
the courage to lead them out.
627
00:38:55,245 --> 00:38:56,942
You know, it's funny...
I can't tell you
628
00:38:57,073 --> 00:38:59,075
how many times
I wanted to leave this place.
629
00:38:59,902 --> 00:39:03,558
And all the fire ants
and the dust storms...
630
00:39:04,689 --> 00:39:06,517
and David.
631
00:39:07,344 --> 00:39:10,391
Oh, you're right.
David's horrible.
632
00:39:11,435 --> 00:39:13,611
Self-centered, rude.
633
00:39:14,612 --> 00:39:18,790
I wish that God
would have chosen
634
00:39:18,921 --> 00:39:24,100
any other person on the earth
to speak through instead of him.
635
00:39:25,362 --> 00:39:27,016
But you know what?
636
00:39:27,799 --> 00:39:29,410
Despite everything
you're saying,
637
00:39:30,193 --> 00:39:33,631
no one's explained to me
what we did to deserve all this.
638
00:39:35,894 --> 00:39:38,767
You know, you have the power
to end this, too.
639
00:39:39,768 --> 00:39:41,422
How's that?
640
00:39:43,554 --> 00:39:45,295
You could just leave.
641
00:39:49,081 --> 00:39:50,779
We weren't bothering anybody.
642
00:39:59,222 --> 00:40:00,571
Yeah, I know.
643
00:40:04,619 --> 00:40:06,142
Thanks for the milk.
644
00:40:19,503 --> 00:40:20,765
[camera whirring]
645
00:40:21,723 --> 00:40:24,160
All right. We're rolling.
646
00:40:25,422 --> 00:40:26,597
[David] Okay.
647
00:40:28,251 --> 00:40:30,601
Say whatever you wanna say.
648
00:40:33,212 --> 00:40:34,692
Well...
649
00:40:37,521 --> 00:40:40,959
I just wanna say
thanks a lot for killing my dad.
650
00:40:43,135 --> 00:40:45,050
My dad's name was Perry Jones.
651
00:40:46,182 --> 00:40:48,140
[Rachel] He was an unarmed man.
652
00:40:49,446 --> 00:40:50,795
And...
653
00:40:53,015 --> 00:40:55,800
you just shot him
through the door, so...
654
00:40:58,324 --> 00:40:59,325
thanks a lot.
655
00:41:06,289 --> 00:41:09,379
-And thanks for the milk.
-Yeah, thanks for the milk.
656
00:41:15,603 --> 00:41:18,170
-[sniffles]
-[David sighs]
657
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:21,739
[grunts]
658
00:41:25,482 --> 00:41:26,962
Wow.
659
00:41:27,745 --> 00:41:29,225
Is it bleeding again?
660
00:41:29,399 --> 00:41:32,707
-It's all over the pillow.
-[David sighs] Well...
661
00:41:32,837 --> 00:41:35,710
it ain't nothing
for a tough guy like me.
662
00:41:36,624 --> 00:41:38,147
[chuckles]
663
00:41:38,974 --> 00:41:42,978
A lot of beliefs
people have may seem abnormal
or strange to other people,
664
00:41:43,108 --> 00:41:45,458
but that doesn't mean
it's not right, though.
665
00:41:46,503 --> 00:41:50,507
God speaks to me.
I have a message to present.
666
00:41:51,290 --> 00:41:52,988
And you may not believe that.
667
00:41:54,076 --> 00:41:56,252
If you don't believe that,
then believe this,
668
00:41:56,382 --> 00:41:59,037
irrespective of God
speaking to me.
669
00:42:02,432 --> 00:42:04,129
See this here?
670
00:42:05,130 --> 00:42:09,395
This is my family.
May not be like your family.
671
00:42:10,266 --> 00:42:12,268
But you come pointing guns
672
00:42:12,442 --> 00:42:15,793
in the direction
of my wives and my kids?
673
00:42:16,620 --> 00:42:21,756
Damn it, I will meet you
at the door any time.
674
00:42:24,454 --> 00:42:26,935
I'm sorry
some of you guys got shot.
675
00:42:28,066 --> 00:42:29,720
But, hey...
676
00:42:32,070 --> 00:42:34,899
God'll have to sort that out,
won't He?
677
00:42:36,597 --> 00:42:37,902
[clicks]
678
00:42:40,209 --> 00:42:42,254
You still think
you can reason with this guy?
679
00:42:53,701 --> 00:42:55,180
What are you gonna do with that?
680
00:42:58,531 --> 00:43:02,274
Can't let this get out.
Makes him look too normal.
681
00:43:06,888 --> 00:43:08,280
[sighs]
682
00:43:08,411 --> 00:43:10,456
-[voices overlapping]
-[car horns honking]
683
00:43:12,589 --> 00:43:13,764
[sighs]
684
00:43:14,591 --> 00:43:16,506
[siren whoops]
685
00:43:17,725 --> 00:43:19,770
[voices yelling]
686
00:43:26,124 --> 00:43:28,083
Your boy's alive.
687
00:43:30,825 --> 00:43:33,958
Thank you. Thank you.
688
00:43:41,574 --> 00:43:42,967
Okay.
689
00:43:46,579 --> 00:43:52,673
-I wanted to thank you, Steve.
-For what?
690
00:43:53,456 --> 00:43:55,980
Taking care of everyone
when I was down.
691
00:43:57,852 --> 00:43:59,331
And for not leaving.
692
00:44:00,202 --> 00:44:02,813
I know you've been having
your doubts.
693
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:04,902
I understand.
694
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:10,125
Heck... I've had my own, too.
695
00:44:20,222 --> 00:44:23,007
-You need something?
-Yeah.
696
00:44:24,792 --> 00:44:27,185
-Glass of milk would be nice.
-[laughing]
697
00:44:29,622 --> 00:44:33,539
-No, that's for the kids, David.
-I know it is,
698
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:36,238
but I just escaped death
by the grace of God,
699
00:44:36,368 --> 00:44:39,720
and to be honest with you,
milk would do us good.
700
00:44:39,894 --> 00:44:41,243
No one'll know, Steve.
701
00:44:41,417 --> 00:44:42,897
[Steve] Glass of milk,
I have to admit,
702
00:44:43,071 --> 00:44:44,246
would be pretty good
right about now.
703
00:44:44,420 --> 00:44:46,422
[David] That's a yes.
704
00:44:47,249 --> 00:44:49,512
Gonna be the best glass of milk
we've ever had.
705
00:44:57,781 --> 00:45:02,351
They don't give
a shit about those kids.
When are you gonna see it?
706
00:45:03,308 --> 00:45:04,832
I see it.
707
00:45:04,962 --> 00:45:07,704
The only thing people like this
respond to is pressure.
708
00:45:07,835 --> 00:45:10,489
Does it feel like they have
any pressure on them to you?
709
00:45:11,273 --> 00:45:14,842
-They sure don't.
-We been here, what, eight days?
710
00:45:14,972 --> 00:45:18,236
The only thing
we have to show for it
is, what, 19 people?
711
00:45:19,281 --> 00:45:21,587
We keep up at this rate,
we'll be here till Christmas.
712
00:45:22,588 --> 00:45:24,068
[sighs]
713
00:45:24,199 --> 00:45:25,896
You been letting Gary
do his thing.
714
00:45:26,679 --> 00:45:29,117
How 'bout you let me do
a little of mine?
715
00:45:31,293 --> 00:45:35,166
[Ron] And Bubba might say,
"But ain't they messin' with
young girls in there?"
716
00:45:35,297 --> 00:45:37,255
And I got this to say to Bubba.
717
00:45:38,648 --> 00:45:42,608
The ATF has no jurisdiction
in matters of young girls.
718
00:45:42,739 --> 00:45:46,656
Or sex, or polygamy,
or anything else they're
talking about.
719
00:45:46,830 --> 00:45:49,006
It's none of their
damn business.
720
00:45:49,137 --> 00:45:50,747
Their business...
721
00:45:50,878 --> 00:45:55,273
is alcohol, tobacco,
and firearms. Period.
722
00:45:56,492 --> 00:46:00,496
And yes, David Koresh did marry
his wife when she was 14.
723
00:46:00,626 --> 00:46:02,367
And you might have feelings
about that,
724
00:46:02,498 --> 00:46:04,413
just like I have feelings
about that myself.
725
00:46:04,543 --> 00:46:07,503
I have a daughter.
I find the idea reprehensible.
726
00:46:07,633 --> 00:46:10,071
[Ron]
But according to Texas law,
727
00:46:10,201 --> 00:46:14,945
it is legal
to marry a 14-year-old
if her parents give consent.
728
00:46:15,728 --> 00:46:18,514
Which, again,
I am not saying is right.
729
00:46:19,341 --> 00:46:21,169
But I am saying,
if you have a problem with it,
730
00:46:21,343 --> 00:46:24,128
your problem is actually
with Texas law.
731
00:46:25,042 --> 00:46:26,130
Not David Koresh.
732
00:46:26,261 --> 00:46:27,697
[engine stops]
733
00:46:28,524 --> 00:46:30,787
[reporter]
The Branch Davidians have hung
a sheet outside the window
734
00:46:30,918 --> 00:46:32,441
saying they want the press.
735
00:46:32,571 --> 00:46:35,183
Reporters have their own take
on the sign.
736
00:46:35,357 --> 00:46:37,881
[all]
God help us, weare the press!
737
00:46:38,012 --> 00:46:40,753
[reporter 2] ...siege
against the Branch Davidians
in Waco, Texas.
738
00:46:40,884 --> 00:46:43,060
And raise similar questions
about the--
739
00:46:43,191 --> 00:46:45,933
I just don't understand
why they won't let us
talk to them.
740
00:46:46,063 --> 00:46:47,673
[reporter] Ma'am,
if your son were here right--
741
00:46:47,848 --> 00:46:49,284
No, no. Go back.
742
00:46:49,414 --> 00:46:51,329
[man] ...web surrounded
this house...
743
00:46:51,460 --> 00:46:53,027
[reporter] What would you want
to tell him?
744
00:46:53,157 --> 00:46:54,724
If you want to look
in the camera and speak to him,
745
00:46:54,855 --> 00:46:55,725
what would you
want to say to him?
746
00:46:55,856 --> 00:46:56,987
Do you know her?
747
00:46:57,814 --> 00:46:59,511
That's my mom.
748
00:46:59,642 --> 00:47:02,079
Dave, honey...
749
00:47:03,472 --> 00:47:07,389
I know the last time
you were home, I didn't
listen very well.
750
00:47:08,216 --> 00:47:11,654
I-- I got my issues
with the Bible and stuff.
751
00:47:12,437 --> 00:47:14,918
And I know that you got
a group in there
752
00:47:15,092 --> 00:47:18,095
that you really care about,
and they're like family.
753
00:47:20,054 --> 00:47:23,622
ButI'm your family.
And you're the only family
I've got.
754
00:47:23,753 --> 00:47:27,844
[sniffles] And if anything ever
happened to you, I don't know
what I'd do.
755
00:47:27,975 --> 00:47:29,193
[sobs]
756
00:47:29,367 --> 00:47:31,369
Thank you.
757
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:33,981
Dave, please? Come out.
758
00:47:34,111 --> 00:47:38,028
And I promise I'm gonna be
a better listener, okay?
759
00:47:39,595 --> 00:47:42,032
I promise
I'm gonna be a better mother.
760
00:47:44,121 --> 00:47:46,428
So, please, just come on out.
761
00:47:47,733 --> 00:47:49,997
[Balenda sniffles, sobs]
Thank you. Thank you so much.
762
00:47:50,127 --> 00:47:51,172
[pops]
763
00:47:51,999 --> 00:47:55,045
-[David] Everyone stay calm.
-[Rachel] What happened?
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