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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,719 --> 00:00:07,434 I have a rule that I've lived by for a long time: 2 00:00:08,456 --> 00:00:10,005 Always tell the truth. 3 00:00:10,700 --> 00:00:11,416 That way, 4 00:00:11,746 --> 00:00:13,776 you don't have to remember what you said. 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:16,120 And I was never good at lying. 6 00:00:17,224 --> 00:00:18,862 Hindus thought of the same rule 7 00:00:18,923 --> 00:00:20,806 more than 3,000 years ago. 8 00:00:21,987 --> 00:00:23,737 Satya, truthfulness, 9 00:00:24,080 --> 00:00:26,986 sits alongside non-violence, non-stealing 10 00:00:27,316 --> 00:00:29,496 and several other Hindu holy laws. 11 00:00:30,409 --> 00:00:32,707 Jews and Christians have the Ten Commandments 12 00:00:32,966 --> 00:00:35,064 as core spiritual rules for life. 13 00:00:35,914 --> 00:00:39,147 Muslims can also find them throughout the Holy Quran. 14 00:00:40,419 --> 00:00:42,904 Their connection with God gives these edicts 15 00:00:42,965 --> 00:00:44,802 power over billions of lives. 16 00:00:46,258 --> 00:00:48,137 Yet we live in an age of enlightenment, 17 00:00:48,807 --> 00:00:50,451 driven by science and reason. 18 00:00:52,086 --> 00:00:55,321 So do we still need holy laws? 19 00:00:59,966 --> 00:01:01,449 I'm travelling the world 20 00:01:02,169 --> 00:01:05,871 to understand the power ancient rules have over us today. 21 00:01:06,452 --> 00:01:07,628 2,000 years later, 22 00:01:07,688 --> 00:01:10,326 any six-year-old that learns to write can read this. 23 00:01:11,410 --> 00:01:12,215 My God. 24 00:01:13,211 --> 00:01:14,428 I'll meet holy people 25 00:01:14,488 --> 00:01:17,385 who follow holy laws to the extreme. 26 00:01:17,732 --> 00:01:19,674 They do not want to kill even a bug 27 00:01:19,734 --> 00:01:21,153 or any micro-organism. 28 00:01:22,323 --> 00:01:25,051 See what happens when people go against divine rules. 29 00:01:27,023 --> 00:01:29,121 I'll explore divine retribution. 30 00:01:30,063 --> 00:01:31,075 Some people escape, 31 00:01:31,213 --> 00:01:33,328 other people die on the spot. 32 00:01:34,129 --> 00:01:37,222 And I'll meet a man who followed God's commandment 33 00:01:37,526 --> 00:01:39,650 to forgive his son's murderer. 34 00:01:40,523 --> 00:01:41,706 We just hug each other 35 00:01:41,993 --> 00:01:43,332 like a father and son. 36 00:01:58,632 --> 00:01:59,447 Jerusalem. 37 00:02:00,324 --> 00:02:03,782 A holy city for Jews, Christians and Muslims. 38 00:02:05,539 --> 00:02:07,330 People trying to live side by side 39 00:02:07,391 --> 00:02:08,953 need a common set of rules. 40 00:02:10,815 --> 00:02:13,586 As fractious as this city can be today, 41 00:02:13,667 --> 00:02:16,144 all three faiths recognize the holy laws 42 00:02:16,205 --> 00:02:17,678 Jerusalem was built on: 43 00:02:19,714 --> 00:02:20,707 the Ten Commandments. 44 00:02:23,519 --> 00:02:25,871 To see these ancient edicts for myself, 45 00:02:26,284 --> 00:02:27,890 I'm meeting Pnina Shor, 46 00:02:28,424 --> 00:02:31,811 an archaeologist at the Israel Antiquities Authority, 47 00:02:32,117 --> 00:02:34,128 home to the ancient fragments of writing 48 00:02:34,174 --> 00:02:36,234 known as the Dead Sea Scrolls. 49 00:02:38,264 --> 00:02:40,512 She has offered me a rare opportunity: 50 00:02:41,299 --> 00:02:42,780 a personal encounter, 51 00:02:42,963 --> 00:02:45,268 with the crown jewel of her collection, 52 00:02:46,102 --> 00:02:47,907 the oldest known copy 53 00:02:48,463 --> 00:02:49,844 of the Ten Commandments. 54 00:02:51,309 --> 00:02:52,926 This is it. This is really it. 55 00:02:53,518 --> 00:02:54,823 This is the only copy 56 00:02:55,157 --> 00:02:57,289 of the Ten Commandments 57 00:02:57,349 --> 00:02:58,941 that has survived intact. 58 00:02:59,248 --> 00:03:00,556 2,000 years old. 59 00:03:01,111 --> 00:03:03,528 Now, I have been to Qumran, 60 00:03:03,942 --> 00:03:06,071 where the Dead Sea Scrolls were found. 61 00:03:06,378 --> 00:03:08,836 This is the first time I've ever actually seen 62 00:03:10,086 --> 00:03:11,076 the scrolls themselves. 63 00:03:11,823 --> 00:03:14,029 And you're very lucky, because not everybody 64 00:03:14,090 --> 00:03:16,763 gets a chance to see the scrolls face to face. 65 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,418 The Dead Sea Scrolls are the most complete 66 00:03:22,478 --> 00:03:24,972 ancient version of the Hebrew scriptures. 67 00:03:26,482 --> 00:03:28,527 They were found in 1947, 68 00:03:28,588 --> 00:03:32,321 in bone-dry caves at Qumran near the Dead Sea. 69 00:03:35,305 --> 00:03:38,429 It's amazing that whatever this is written on 70 00:03:38,977 --> 00:03:40,938 could survive that long. 71 00:03:41,159 --> 00:03:42,515 It's written on parchment, 72 00:03:43,276 --> 00:03:44,598 which is animal skin, 73 00:03:45,261 --> 00:03:47,548 and yes, it is a miracle that it actually survived, 74 00:03:47,675 --> 00:03:49,859 but it survived because probably 75 00:03:49,919 --> 00:03:52,098 the conditions in the caves were the best. 76 00:03:52,299 --> 00:03:53,896 And so what we're trying to do here, 77 00:03:54,030 --> 00:03:55,501 and in the vault where we keep all the scrolls... 78 00:03:55,562 --> 00:03:56,380 Recreate that. 79 00:03:56,441 --> 00:03:58,167 Is to recreate these conditions. 80 00:04:00,619 --> 00:04:02,879 We have copies of the Ten Commandments. 81 00:04:02,940 --> 00:04:05,317 They're, they're all over the place. 82 00:04:05,969 --> 00:04:07,146 So why is this important? 83 00:04:07,621 --> 00:04:09,080 Why is it important? 84 00:04:09,173 --> 00:04:11,394 This is our heritage, this is our common heritage. 85 00:04:11,857 --> 00:04:14,319 And this shows us that 2,000 years later, 86 00:04:14,702 --> 00:04:18,184 we can all talk about this and relate to it. 87 00:04:18,245 --> 00:04:19,316 Know what we're talking about. 88 00:04:19,377 --> 00:04:20,817 And know what we're talking about, right. 89 00:04:21,128 --> 00:04:22,408 I'll read you through, okay? 90 00:04:22,469 --> 00:04:23,798 Yeah, I am the Lord, thy God. 91 00:04:23,859 --> 00:04:24,684 I, exactly. 92 00:04:29,044 --> 00:04:30,123 Yeah, I'm your God. 93 00:04:32,861 --> 00:04:35,182 I'm your God who took you out of the land of Egypt, 94 00:04:35,723 --> 00:04:37,840 and continues all the way down. 95 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,766 What's it written in, is it written in Hebrew? 96 00:04:39,959 --> 00:04:41,074 It's written in Hebrew 97 00:04:41,167 --> 00:04:42,986 in what we call the Syrian writing, 98 00:04:43,047 --> 00:04:45,061 which is the writing of Second Temple times. 99 00:04:45,423 --> 00:04:47,162 So what's amazing about these scrolls 100 00:04:47,345 --> 00:04:49,184 is that 2,000 years later, 101 00:04:49,358 --> 00:04:51,247 any six-year-old that learns to write, 102 00:04:51,514 --> 00:04:52,321 can read this. 103 00:04:52,784 --> 00:04:54,012 Get out of here! 104 00:04:54,615 --> 00:04:55,429 A six-year-old? 105 00:04:55,649 --> 00:04:57,473 Any six-year-old who learns to read Hebrew. 106 00:04:57,534 --> 00:04:58,789 Who learns how to read Hebrew can read these scrolls. 107 00:04:58,850 --> 00:04:59,524 Can read this. 108 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:00,505 It takes a few minutes, 109 00:05:00,779 --> 00:05:02,207 but you get used to it and you can do it. 110 00:05:04,177 --> 00:05:06,843 Seeing these ancient laws as a living text 111 00:05:07,030 --> 00:05:08,031 makes me wonder. 112 00:05:08,963 --> 00:05:12,067 How did they shape Jewish life and culture over the millennia? 113 00:05:16,739 --> 00:05:20,932 Adolfo Roitman is the curator of Jerusalem's Shrine of the Book. 114 00:05:23,737 --> 00:05:24,412 Oh, my. 115 00:05:35,923 --> 00:05:36,586 That's awesome. 116 00:05:36,897 --> 00:05:37,533 Yes. 117 00:05:39,545 --> 00:05:40,919 The Shrine of the Book. 118 00:05:41,319 --> 00:05:42,881 It's the holy of holies, 119 00:05:42,942 --> 00:05:44,152 like Solomon's Temple, 120 00:05:44,892 --> 00:05:46,941 and instead of the Ark of Covenant 121 00:05:47,528 --> 00:05:48,584 and the Ten Commandments, 122 00:05:49,171 --> 00:05:51,073 what we have here are the scrolls, 123 00:05:51,306 --> 00:05:53,852 the most significant spiritual treasure of Israel. 124 00:06:00,877 --> 00:06:02,957 Now, I'm gonna ask you if there is a difference 125 00:06:03,017 --> 00:06:04,709 between the commandments 126 00:06:04,794 --> 00:06:08,056 and the other codes 127 00:06:08,747 --> 00:06:11,509 of the Middle Eastern tribes. 128 00:06:12,450 --> 00:06:15,570 What is very significant here in the scrolls 129 00:06:15,892 --> 00:06:18,484 is the Ten Commandments, actually, 130 00:06:18,820 --> 00:06:20,157 they have two sections. 131 00:06:20,614 --> 00:06:22,289 One refers to God 132 00:06:23,035 --> 00:06:25,337 and one refers to human beings. 133 00:06:27,904 --> 00:06:29,613 The first four commandments set the rules 134 00:06:29,674 --> 00:06:31,742 for how people should act towards God, 135 00:06:32,255 --> 00:06:33,943 like having no other gods 136 00:06:34,163 --> 00:06:35,797 and observing the Sabbath. 137 00:06:36,775 --> 00:06:39,165 The last six concern human affairs, 138 00:06:39,568 --> 00:06:40,668 prohibiting killing, 139 00:06:41,177 --> 00:06:41,822 stealing, 140 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:42,820 cheating. 141 00:06:45,394 --> 00:06:48,293 We are not dealing just with ideas. 142 00:06:49,371 --> 00:06:51,036 We are dealing with real life. 143 00:06:51,630 --> 00:06:52,730 And real life, 144 00:06:53,183 --> 00:06:54,370 must reflect 145 00:06:54,773 --> 00:06:55,537 all this 146 00:06:56,027 --> 00:06:57,145 religious idea. 147 00:06:57,529 --> 00:06:59,124 The concept that we, 148 00:06:59,488 --> 00:07:00,601 our community, 149 00:07:00,661 --> 00:07:02,010 we are a temple, 150 00:07:02,729 --> 00:07:03,536 we are... 151 00:07:03,829 --> 00:07:05,234 a spiritual temple. 152 00:07:05,597 --> 00:07:08,033 When a law is religious in nature... 153 00:07:08,094 --> 00:07:08,672 Yes. 154 00:07:08,771 --> 00:07:09,491 What is the... 155 00:07:10,232 --> 00:07:11,662 practical side of it? 156 00:07:11,723 --> 00:07:13,700 How does that manifest itself? 157 00:07:13,847 --> 00:07:16,863 Okay. Love your neighbour as yourself. 158 00:07:16,942 --> 00:07:17,605 It's written. 159 00:07:17,734 --> 00:07:18,893 But if you don't love him, 160 00:07:19,905 --> 00:07:21,441 it's not just against him, 161 00:07:21,921 --> 00:07:23,203 it's against God. 162 00:07:23,610 --> 00:07:24,840 You have to care... 163 00:07:25,206 --> 00:07:25,947 for them, 164 00:07:26,411 --> 00:07:28,795 because all of them were created by God. 165 00:07:29,846 --> 00:07:31,443 The good, the bad and the ugly. 166 00:07:31,712 --> 00:07:32,599 Yes. 167 00:07:32,725 --> 00:07:33,638 So, now, 168 00:07:35,419 --> 00:07:36,385 the Ten Commandments... 169 00:07:36,534 --> 00:07:38,837 have had an incredible influence 170 00:07:39,507 --> 00:07:41,539 on large parts of the world. 171 00:07:41,599 --> 00:07:42,183 Yes. 172 00:07:43,355 --> 00:07:47,105 Do you think that they influence other religions? 173 00:07:48,503 --> 00:07:51,974 There is no way to imagine the history 174 00:07:52,402 --> 00:07:54,322 of human beings without these 175 00:07:54,785 --> 00:07:56,458 specific Ten Commandments. 176 00:07:56,955 --> 00:07:59,137 Why you shouldn't kill... 177 00:07:59,854 --> 00:08:00,430 a person. 178 00:08:00,859 --> 00:08:03,139 Why you have to keep morality. 179 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,970 All these traditions were very much inspired 180 00:08:06,140 --> 00:08:07,347 by the Ten Commandments, 181 00:08:07,427 --> 00:08:10,838 and even human beings that they belong to other civilizations. 182 00:08:13,631 --> 00:08:14,671 It's quite astonishing, 183 00:08:15,361 --> 00:08:17,303 that a list of do's and don'ts, 184 00:08:17,738 --> 00:08:20,966 written on parchment thousands of years ago, 185 00:08:21,639 --> 00:08:23,558 have had such an effect on the world. 186 00:08:24,802 --> 00:08:27,181 But it's probably because the Ten Commandments 187 00:08:27,578 --> 00:08:29,950 are not just a list of do's and don'ts. 188 00:08:31,002 --> 00:08:33,114 They inspired the ancient Jews 189 00:08:33,175 --> 00:08:35,886 to keep good relations, not only with God, 190 00:08:36,832 --> 00:08:39,277 but with their family and neighbours. 191 00:08:40,535 --> 00:08:41,706 No matter what your faith, 192 00:08:42,591 --> 00:08:45,280 this is what creates a long and lasting society. 193 00:08:50,877 --> 00:08:52,474 It's hard to find places on Earth 194 00:08:52,535 --> 00:08:55,516 where the Ten Commandments haven't had some effect. 195 00:08:56,503 --> 00:08:57,887 But they do exist. 196 00:09:04,958 --> 00:09:07,644 In the remote hillsides of northern Vietnam, 197 00:09:08,133 --> 00:09:10,490 there is a culture where the will of the divine 198 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:12,897 is not passed down through written laws. 199 00:09:13,311 --> 00:09:15,298 It comes through a person. 200 00:09:17,487 --> 00:09:19,499 Sociologist Andreas Schneider 201 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,729 is travelling to a village of the Hmong ethnic group. 202 00:09:26,107 --> 00:09:28,912 He wants to understand how they follow 203 00:09:29,085 --> 00:09:31,849 the unwritten rules of the spirit world. 204 00:09:47,138 --> 00:09:49,449 He is meeting Hang A Sua, 205 00:09:49,777 --> 00:09:51,709 who was born in the village. 206 00:09:51,824 --> 00:09:52,807 Oh, Sua. 207 00:09:53,371 --> 00:09:53,910 Hello. 208 00:09:53,971 --> 00:09:55,436 Oh, thank you. I'm glad I've found your house. 209 00:09:55,497 --> 00:09:56,267 Oh, yeah. 210 00:09:56,573 --> 00:09:57,793 And you are? 211 00:09:57,895 --> 00:09:59,353 Yeah, I'm Sua friend. 212 00:09:59,414 --> 00:10:02,670 He ask me to come here helping you translate. 213 00:10:04,471 --> 00:10:06,972 Sua is a Hmong businessman. 214 00:10:07,952 --> 00:10:11,022 His 94-year-old grandmother, Sung Thi La, 215 00:10:11,239 --> 00:10:12,843 is the village shaman. 216 00:10:13,782 --> 00:10:16,483 Today she will be performing a divination ceremony 217 00:10:16,544 --> 00:10:17,874 to speak with the spirits. 218 00:10:18,994 --> 00:10:20,489 They beginning or starting... 219 00:10:20,550 --> 00:10:21,310 Oh, they're beginning. 220 00:10:21,371 --> 00:10:21,958 Yeah. 221 00:10:22,019 --> 00:10:23,392 Let's make it through the rain, I guess. 222 00:10:23,453 --> 00:10:24,258 -Yes. -Thank you! 223 00:10:24,319 --> 00:10:25,625 -Thank you. -Let's go over there. 224 00:10:25,747 --> 00:10:26,433 Let's go. 225 00:10:26,665 --> 00:10:28,437 The Hmong are animists, 226 00:10:28,927 --> 00:10:33,291 believing spirits called 'neeb' inhabit everything. 227 00:10:34,737 --> 00:10:36,967 The Hmong believe if you behave correctly, 228 00:10:37,291 --> 00:10:39,400 you will be surrounded by good spirits. 229 00:10:39,927 --> 00:10:41,345 If you behave badly, 230 00:10:41,780 --> 00:10:43,540 you will attract bad spirits. 231 00:10:49,181 --> 00:10:50,769 La acts as a bridge 232 00:10:50,830 --> 00:10:53,309 between the physical and spiritual worlds. 233 00:10:55,620 --> 00:10:56,912 She alone in the village 234 00:10:56,973 --> 00:10:59,092 can communicate with the spirits 235 00:11:00,206 --> 00:11:03,471 and discover the balance between good and bad. 236 00:11:29,100 --> 00:11:30,100 Yes, okay. 237 00:11:32,813 --> 00:11:33,542 Yeah. 238 00:11:39,429 --> 00:11:40,215 Yeah. 239 00:11:44,244 --> 00:11:44,964 Yes. 240 00:11:45,539 --> 00:11:46,795 As people gather, 241 00:11:46,958 --> 00:11:48,369 La covers her face 242 00:11:48,575 --> 00:11:51,152 to focus on her connection to the spirit world. 243 00:12:12,245 --> 00:12:15,361 The Hmong believe both good and bad spirits 244 00:12:15,762 --> 00:12:17,581 respond to the shaman's call. 245 00:12:23,413 --> 00:12:25,553 Ahh, okay. 246 00:12:26,115 --> 00:12:29,111 La has sensed the presence of bad spirits, 247 00:12:29,401 --> 00:12:30,584 but the good spirits 248 00:12:30,791 --> 00:12:33,635 have instructed her how to deal with them. 249 00:12:43,526 --> 00:12:46,228 Deep in the misty hills of rural Vietnam, 250 00:12:46,455 --> 00:12:47,855 a gong rings out. 251 00:12:50,566 --> 00:12:54,157 Signalling a shaman's connection with the spirit world. 252 00:12:55,253 --> 00:12:57,537 Sociologist Andreas Schneider 253 00:12:57,910 --> 00:12:59,733 is here with the Hmong people, 254 00:13:00,745 --> 00:13:02,495 hoping to gain insight into how 255 00:13:02,556 --> 00:13:04,180 they define the will of the gods. 256 00:13:05,608 --> 00:13:09,759 Bad spirits invited in by past wrong-doing in the village 257 00:13:09,992 --> 00:13:11,755 are expelled by fire. 258 00:13:25,287 --> 00:13:26,754 But the shaman, La, 259 00:13:27,157 --> 00:13:30,482 has told the villagers they must now make a sacrifice 260 00:13:30,852 --> 00:13:31,818 to the good spirits. 261 00:14:06,704 --> 00:14:08,025 The sacrifice complete, 262 00:14:08,086 --> 00:14:10,937 the shaman must now perform the last step: 263 00:14:12,572 --> 00:14:15,521 persuade the good spirits to accept the offering. 264 00:14:16,180 --> 00:14:18,725 So these are horns of animals. 265 00:14:19,573 --> 00:14:21,067 Yeah, this a horn from a goat. 266 00:14:21,274 --> 00:14:22,871 Goat horn. 267 00:14:22,931 --> 00:14:26,062 La uses goat horns to communicate with the spirits. 268 00:14:27,141 --> 00:14:30,222 The Hmong believe the spirits send a coded message 269 00:14:30,395 --> 00:14:31,796 in the patterns of the horns. 270 00:14:32,474 --> 00:14:35,070 Ones that only the shaman can read correctly. 271 00:14:40,431 --> 00:14:42,968 Uh, we have to say thank you. 272 00:14:43,069 --> 00:14:44,230 Say thank you. 273 00:14:44,366 --> 00:14:45,837 The ceremony is finished. 274 00:14:46,604 --> 00:14:48,562 The wrong-doing has been corrected. 275 00:14:49,302 --> 00:14:52,263 Everyone gives a bow of gratitude to the shaman. 276 00:14:52,324 --> 00:14:53,126 Two time. 277 00:14:53,376 --> 00:14:54,316 One more time. 278 00:15:02,175 --> 00:15:04,721 The question that I have is, 279 00:15:05,088 --> 00:15:06,490 what did we have today? 280 00:15:06,617 --> 00:15:08,313 We had basically, 281 00:15:09,100 --> 00:15:12,246 trying... a ceremony that tried to set things straight. 282 00:15:12,458 --> 00:15:13,004 Yeah. 283 00:15:13,065 --> 00:15:14,620 Something went wrong, there was an offering, 284 00:15:14,982 --> 00:15:16,992 but who is determining the rules? 285 00:15:17,053 --> 00:15:18,596 Who is making the laws? 286 00:15:21,365 --> 00:15:24,241 The shaman, with the spirits, when they come... 287 00:15:24,302 --> 00:15:24,836 Mm-hmm. 288 00:15:24,897 --> 00:15:26,034 They will tell her. 289 00:15:26,095 --> 00:15:29,280 So, of course, there was a lot of suspense at the end 290 00:15:29,609 --> 00:15:32,940 when the bones were thrown, 291 00:15:33,001 --> 00:15:35,144 to see in which direction they fall. 292 00:15:36,147 --> 00:15:37,640 What are the results? 293 00:15:37,832 --> 00:15:38,807 What is the result? 294 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,124 The results, everything's good. 295 00:15:45,605 --> 00:15:47,029 I would like to thank her 296 00:15:47,149 --> 00:15:50,403 for helping us to understand your society. 297 00:15:52,330 --> 00:15:52,993 Okay. 298 00:15:53,883 --> 00:15:56,047 She would like to thank you, so she... 299 00:15:56,516 --> 00:15:59,931 she will give you some lucky silver thread for you guys. 300 00:16:03,768 --> 00:16:05,089 As a parting blessing, 301 00:16:05,150 --> 00:16:08,440 La ties a red thread around each of their wrists. 302 00:16:11,604 --> 00:16:14,433 It's meant to help them stay in balance with the spirits 303 00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:16,496 and stay on the right path. 304 00:16:19,637 --> 00:16:21,868 Ohhh. 305 00:16:22,321 --> 00:16:23,832 That's how you do it. 306 00:16:26,054 --> 00:16:27,830 Sua's grandmother, La, 307 00:16:28,125 --> 00:16:30,920 received a divine calling to be a shaman. 308 00:16:32,232 --> 00:16:35,132 Just as Abraham, he did the urgings of God 309 00:16:35,193 --> 00:16:36,473 to move to Canaan, 310 00:16:36,926 --> 00:16:40,202 La heeded this commandment from the spirit world. 311 00:16:41,241 --> 00:16:42,755 She felt bound by it. 312 00:16:43,819 --> 00:16:45,900 Being tied to the spirits 313 00:16:45,961 --> 00:16:49,042 helps the Hmong keep their culture alive, 314 00:16:49,103 --> 00:16:50,335 ties people together, 315 00:16:51,014 --> 00:16:53,229 like millions of red threads 316 00:16:53,290 --> 00:16:55,892 spanning their entire Asian diaspora. 317 00:17:04,223 --> 00:17:06,159 In many religions, holy laws dictate 318 00:17:06,220 --> 00:17:08,327 not only how believers live life, 319 00:17:08,924 --> 00:17:10,461 but how they confront death. 320 00:17:18,730 --> 00:17:21,835 I've come to a cemetery in Lexington, Kentucky, 321 00:17:22,386 --> 00:17:25,535 to meet Dr. Abdul-Munim Sombat Jitmoud. 322 00:17:31,618 --> 00:17:34,257 He followed Islam's holiest law 323 00:17:34,674 --> 00:17:36,905 in the face of great personal tragedy. 324 00:17:40,093 --> 00:17:43,183 I want to tell you myself how grateful we all are 325 00:17:43,407 --> 00:17:44,841 that you'd take the time to... 326 00:17:45,348 --> 00:17:46,557 spend this time with us. 327 00:17:46,617 --> 00:17:48,655 Yes, sir. It is mutual, sir. 328 00:17:49,999 --> 00:17:51,396 I understand that you had... 329 00:17:52,129 --> 00:17:52,970 something tragic 330 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,367 to your family. Can you tell me about it? 331 00:17:56,005 --> 00:17:56,590 Yes, sir. 332 00:17:56,651 --> 00:17:58,143 Three years ago, of course, 333 00:17:59,226 --> 00:18:01,443 our dearest son, Salahuddin, got murdered. 334 00:18:03,970 --> 00:18:07,772 Dr. Jitmoud ran an Islamic academy in Lexington. 335 00:18:10,503 --> 00:18:13,076 He lived here with his wife and six sons. 336 00:18:15,163 --> 00:18:18,838 In 2015, Dr. Jitmoud's second youngest son, 337 00:18:19,052 --> 00:18:20,059 Salahuddin, 338 00:18:20,478 --> 00:18:22,213 was working his way through college 339 00:18:22,273 --> 00:18:24,161 as a pizza delivery driver. 340 00:18:25,523 --> 00:18:27,660 Tell me what you remember 341 00:18:28,676 --> 00:18:30,459 happened actually that night. 342 00:18:30,626 --> 00:18:31,224 Yes, sir. 343 00:18:31,285 --> 00:18:32,913 I gave Salahuddin a call, 344 00:18:33,504 --> 00:18:36,522 and he said, 'Baba, I'm deliver the pizza.' 345 00:18:36,807 --> 00:18:38,784 'Oh, I will call you later, then.' 346 00:18:38,845 --> 00:18:39,289 He said, 347 00:18:39,999 --> 00:18:41,577 'Inshallah, Baba.' 348 00:18:41,802 --> 00:18:44,745 That was his last word for me to hear. 349 00:18:44,806 --> 00:18:46,990 Inshallah. That means 'God willing,' right? 350 00:18:47,229 --> 00:18:48,303 Yes, God willing. 351 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,446 Then a few hours later, 352 00:18:50,863 --> 00:18:53,340 he had one more delivery to do. 353 00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:57,697 Salahuddin was called to an apartment complex 354 00:18:57,757 --> 00:18:59,604 on the outskirts of the city. 355 00:19:01,328 --> 00:19:04,824 Actually, that order not supposed to be his order. 356 00:19:05,523 --> 00:19:07,755 It's another lady supposed to deliver, 357 00:19:08,301 --> 00:19:11,179 but she afraid, so Salahuddin volunteer. 358 00:19:14,222 --> 00:19:15,548 As he approached the door, 359 00:19:15,983 --> 00:19:16,852 he was attacked, 360 00:19:17,152 --> 00:19:17,953 robbed, 361 00:19:18,514 --> 00:19:20,079 and stabbed to death. 362 00:19:26,234 --> 00:19:27,375 Did the police ever... 363 00:19:27,828 --> 00:19:28,948 figure out who? 364 00:19:29,168 --> 00:19:30,235 -Yes. -Did they catch him? 365 00:19:30,626 --> 00:19:33,535 Trey Alexander Relford, along with two accomplices, 366 00:19:34,181 --> 00:19:38,095 had devised a plan to rob a pizza delivery driver. 367 00:19:39,488 --> 00:19:41,207 Salahuddin became their target. 368 00:19:43,078 --> 00:19:45,613 Relford was found guilty for his role in the killing. 369 00:19:47,248 --> 00:19:49,996 Dr. Jitmoud agreed to a plea deal 370 00:19:50,396 --> 00:19:53,211 that kept Relford from receiving the death penalty. 371 00:19:54,208 --> 00:19:56,314 But it was what happened at the sentencing 372 00:19:56,816 --> 00:19:59,051 that caught the attention of the media. 373 00:20:21,806 --> 00:20:23,305 I'm sorry about what happened that day. 374 00:20:27,237 --> 00:20:28,718 He really remorseful, 375 00:20:29,008 --> 00:20:30,854 and he's apologetic to me, 376 00:20:31,644 --> 00:20:33,443 and I feel that he looking for... 377 00:20:34,768 --> 00:20:37,429 some caring, some comfort. 378 00:20:38,202 --> 00:20:40,179 That's why when I hug him, I said that... 379 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,252 Wait a minute, wait a minute. 380 00:20:42,459 --> 00:20:43,247 You hugged him? 381 00:20:43,797 --> 00:20:44,625 Yes, sir. 382 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,702 We just hug each other like a father and son. 383 00:21:04,573 --> 00:21:07,291 And I feel he is one of my flesh and blood. 384 00:21:14,678 --> 00:21:16,507 And I told him, 'Oh, my son, 385 00:21:17,641 --> 00:21:18,845 I have forgiven you.' 386 00:21:22,341 --> 00:21:24,310 'You have a brand-new chapter of life. 387 00:21:25,583 --> 00:21:27,035 Make yourself a change 388 00:21:27,326 --> 00:21:29,222 and become a good person.' 389 00:21:30,967 --> 00:21:32,535 That was my message to him. 390 00:21:33,086 --> 00:21:35,098 I think this may be a good time to take a break. 391 00:21:35,737 --> 00:21:36,570 Thank you. 392 00:21:39,220 --> 00:21:41,561 Where do you get the, 393 00:21:42,231 --> 00:21:46,003 I don't know, the mercy to do that? 394 00:21:46,528 --> 00:21:48,021 He's the murderer of your son. 395 00:21:48,082 --> 00:21:49,439 You, and you forgive? 396 00:21:51,068 --> 00:21:53,594 Mr. Freeman, it didn't come easy, 397 00:21:54,934 --> 00:21:55,993 but because of... 398 00:21:56,798 --> 00:21:57,646 Shahada, 399 00:21:58,907 --> 00:22:00,060 our deep belief 400 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,604 in the oneness of God. 401 00:22:06,221 --> 00:22:08,754 The Shahada is the first and greatest 402 00:22:08,815 --> 00:22:11,070 of the Five Pillars of Islam. 403 00:22:12,261 --> 00:22:13,490 These fundamental rules 404 00:22:13,551 --> 00:22:15,796 are the foundation of the Muslim faith. 405 00:22:17,521 --> 00:22:21,142 The Shahada states that there is no god but Allah, 406 00:22:22,548 --> 00:22:24,446 and Muhammad is his messenger. 407 00:22:26,414 --> 00:22:28,927 How does that manifest itself in daily life? 408 00:22:28,988 --> 00:22:30,658 Because God create all of us. 409 00:22:31,250 --> 00:22:34,311 We have to be good to everyone and be merciful 410 00:22:34,991 --> 00:22:36,853 to the one who hurt us the most, 411 00:22:37,735 --> 00:22:40,283 so that we can earn Allah forgiveness. 412 00:22:41,209 --> 00:22:42,936 It's Jesus and the Sermon on the Mount. 413 00:22:43,356 --> 00:22:43,960 Yes. 414 00:22:44,021 --> 00:22:45,242 Forgive thine enemy. 415 00:22:45,734 --> 00:22:46,741 Yes, sir. 416 00:22:47,609 --> 00:22:49,927 Now, there was a moment 417 00:22:50,620 --> 00:22:54,413 in the tragedy of Salahuddin's death 418 00:22:54,474 --> 00:22:56,004 that gave you some comfort. 419 00:22:56,064 --> 00:22:56,646 Yes, sir. 420 00:22:56,707 --> 00:22:57,861 At the time of death, 421 00:22:58,519 --> 00:23:03,118 Islam emphasize that you should have a moment to say, 422 00:23:03,179 --> 00:23:06,533 'Laa ilaaha ill-Allah' with the finger up, to testify. 423 00:23:07,193 --> 00:23:09,678 The night of murder, there was a witness 424 00:23:09,739 --> 00:23:11,887 who had observed Salahuddin... 425 00:23:13,111 --> 00:23:15,607 body lean against the wall, 426 00:23:16,140 --> 00:23:18,090 and his finger go like this. 427 00:23:18,845 --> 00:23:21,457 She realized he is Muslim, he's Muslim, 428 00:23:21,518 --> 00:23:23,287 because the way he raise finger, 429 00:23:23,505 --> 00:23:25,596 that's meaning he recite Shahada. 430 00:23:26,577 --> 00:23:28,235 At the time of sorrow, 431 00:23:28,454 --> 00:23:30,773 God send this incident to comfort me 432 00:23:31,387 --> 00:23:32,830 and all of my sons. 433 00:23:35,621 --> 00:23:36,424 Thank you so much. 434 00:23:36,484 --> 00:23:37,856 Thank you so much. 435 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,787 And peace and blessings be upon you, sir. 436 00:23:58,530 --> 00:23:59,520 Thank you, sir. 437 00:24:06,168 --> 00:24:09,237 I find what Dr. Jitmoud did truly humbling. 438 00:24:09,942 --> 00:24:12,223 Of course, he would say he was just following God's 439 00:24:12,284 --> 00:24:13,860 commandments of Shahada. 440 00:24:15,108 --> 00:24:17,119 I think many people see God's commandments 441 00:24:17,179 --> 00:24:18,611 as just admonitions. 442 00:24:19,398 --> 00:24:21,132 What people like Dr. Jitmoud understand 443 00:24:21,252 --> 00:24:23,022 is that they are God's way of showing us 444 00:24:23,082 --> 00:24:24,460 how to live better lives, 445 00:24:26,050 --> 00:24:27,398 as communities, 446 00:24:28,042 --> 00:24:29,245 as individuals, 447 00:24:30,054 --> 00:24:32,595 as members of the human race. 448 00:24:39,205 --> 00:24:42,749 When our instincts might drive us to revenge and violence, 449 00:24:43,378 --> 00:24:46,241 holy laws can show us a better way forward. 450 00:24:46,692 --> 00:24:48,493 One religious group hopes to spread 451 00:24:48,554 --> 00:24:49,956 this message to the whole world 452 00:24:50,068 --> 00:24:52,840 and to eradicate violence completely. 453 00:25:06,145 --> 00:25:08,414 I've come to Kathmandu, Nepal, 454 00:25:08,574 --> 00:25:09,976 to learn about Jainism, 455 00:25:10,525 --> 00:25:14,183 a faith whose ultimate holy law is non-violence. 456 00:25:16,030 --> 00:25:19,214 With me is religious scholar Pankaj Jain. 457 00:25:20,622 --> 00:25:22,771 He's invited me to the local Jain temple 458 00:25:22,831 --> 00:25:26,365 to witness a religious ceremony known as the puja. 459 00:25:27,944 --> 00:25:29,081 And here we are. 460 00:25:29,696 --> 00:25:30,545 Okay. 461 00:25:47,933 --> 00:25:50,880 The puja demonstrates the virtuous way. 462 00:25:52,136 --> 00:25:56,033 Water symbolizes the washing away of spiritual impurities. 463 00:26:00,906 --> 00:26:02,472 Fire illuminates, 464 00:26:02,802 --> 00:26:04,939 destroying the darkness of delusion. 465 00:26:25,411 --> 00:26:26,672 Svaha. 466 00:26:26,861 --> 00:26:29,792 Food offerings, such as rice and almonds, 467 00:26:30,174 --> 00:26:31,589 connote sacrifice. 468 00:26:41,140 --> 00:26:42,522 And dried coconuts 469 00:26:42,891 --> 00:26:46,543 represent the believer's own mind waking up. 470 00:26:51,822 --> 00:26:53,514 Svaha. 471 00:26:54,622 --> 00:26:58,635 Every human being ignorantly, they are sad. 472 00:26:58,989 --> 00:27:01,376 But whenever they will getting the knowledge, 473 00:27:01,437 --> 00:27:05,074 right knowledge, the right conduct, right character, 474 00:27:05,135 --> 00:27:06,981 then they're becoming like God would. 475 00:27:07,384 --> 00:27:08,567 This is our aim. 476 00:27:08,667 --> 00:27:10,919 So every soul is... 477 00:27:10,980 --> 00:27:13,392 no one needs to be killed in this globe. 478 00:27:13,479 --> 00:27:16,470 So we must give the good knowledge. 479 00:27:19,995 --> 00:27:23,339 I'm curious to know what knowledge Jains believe 480 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,409 will lead to universal enlightenment and peace. 481 00:27:28,094 --> 00:27:30,881 So, the religion is called Jain, 482 00:27:31,679 --> 00:27:33,101 and I'm talking to you, 483 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,927 and your name is Jain. 484 00:27:36,228 --> 00:27:37,254 Is that a coincidence? 485 00:27:37,966 --> 00:27:40,161 Jain is a very common surname, 486 00:27:40,222 --> 00:27:42,716 last name for people practising Jainism. 487 00:27:42,902 --> 00:27:46,439 Jain word itself comes from Jina, J-I-N-A. 488 00:27:46,939 --> 00:27:49,122 Jina who have conquered all their passions, 489 00:27:49,241 --> 00:27:51,973 basically those who have conquered themselves. 490 00:27:54,126 --> 00:27:55,362 Much like Buddhists, 491 00:27:55,618 --> 00:27:57,571 Jains strive for liberation 492 00:27:57,632 --> 00:28:01,165 from the cycle of birth and death that is reincarnation. 493 00:28:03,751 --> 00:28:07,686 Jinas are people who have attained that liberation. 494 00:28:09,411 --> 00:28:11,882 So the Jinas, they've taken five great vows: 495 00:28:12,863 --> 00:28:15,323 truth, non-violence, non-accumulation, 496 00:28:15,383 --> 00:28:17,725 celibacy, and non-stealing. 497 00:28:18,001 --> 00:28:20,486 Every Jain hopes to become like Jina, 498 00:28:20,547 --> 00:28:22,293 so we follow their path. 499 00:28:22,977 --> 00:28:25,786 So these five vows... 500 00:28:25,853 --> 00:28:26,419 Vows. 501 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,734 Is there one or two more important than others? 502 00:28:31,088 --> 00:28:32,815 Typically, Jains today describe... 503 00:28:33,044 --> 00:28:35,458 their religion by the most fundamental 504 00:28:35,582 --> 00:28:37,779 practice that is Ahimsa, or non-violence. 505 00:28:38,371 --> 00:28:40,555 Let's stop and have compassion 506 00:28:40,615 --> 00:28:42,858 towards your fellow beings in the universe. 507 00:28:43,418 --> 00:28:45,427 How do you live like that? 508 00:28:46,092 --> 00:28:48,483 Jains really practice non-violence 509 00:28:48,623 --> 00:28:50,304 by practising vegetarianism. 510 00:28:50,763 --> 00:28:54,981 They have never even tasted meat or egg or seafood. 511 00:28:55,167 --> 00:28:56,995 The root vegetables 512 00:28:57,624 --> 00:28:59,454 is also amounts to violence, 513 00:28:59,530 --> 00:29:01,855 because when you kill the root of a plant, 514 00:29:02,361 --> 00:29:03,676 you're killing the entire plant. 515 00:29:04,436 --> 00:29:07,068 Another example of practising non-violence, 516 00:29:07,262 --> 00:29:08,687 is when monks and nuns, 517 00:29:08,747 --> 00:29:12,524 they keep sweeping the floor by a peacock brush, 518 00:29:12,992 --> 00:29:15,258 so that they do not kill even a bug. 519 00:29:15,823 --> 00:29:17,281 Alright, so what about breathing? 520 00:29:17,341 --> 00:29:21,320 I mean, there, things float in the air, they're there. 521 00:29:21,536 --> 00:29:22,322 What do you do there? 522 00:29:22,383 --> 00:29:24,428 Right, so there is one sect in Jainism, 523 00:29:24,555 --> 00:29:27,349 in which they put a mask on their mouth. 524 00:29:28,968 --> 00:29:31,266 They're not supposed to even unintentionally... 525 00:29:31,476 --> 00:29:33,330 breathe in any micro-organism. 526 00:29:34,565 --> 00:29:37,022 Some Jains, usually late in life, 527 00:29:37,396 --> 00:29:38,944 take the vow of non-violence 528 00:29:39,005 --> 00:29:41,702 to the point where they stop eating altogether 529 00:29:42,401 --> 00:29:44,749 and allow themselves to die. 530 00:29:46,258 --> 00:29:47,522 Is it unfair... 531 00:29:47,931 --> 00:29:50,884 to label this as a bit of extremism? 532 00:29:51,684 --> 00:29:54,693 I prefer the word 'ultimate example of non-violence.' 533 00:29:54,781 --> 00:29:56,274 Ahimsa, or non-violence, 534 00:29:56,597 --> 00:29:59,104 leads to peaceful coexistence, 535 00:30:00,218 --> 00:30:03,644 more acceptance of different faiths, different practices, 536 00:30:03,891 --> 00:30:07,167 and that was really embraced by great leaders such as... 537 00:30:07,407 --> 00:30:08,502 Mahatma Gandhi. 538 00:30:10,967 --> 00:30:12,315 And Mahatma Gandhi, 539 00:30:12,463 --> 00:30:13,649 in turn, influenced 540 00:30:13,915 --> 00:30:15,185 Dr. Martin Luther King 541 00:30:15,514 --> 00:30:16,788 in the United States 542 00:30:18,728 --> 00:30:21,395 and also Nelson Mandela in South Africa. 543 00:30:22,645 --> 00:30:24,173 The world could use more Jainism. 544 00:30:24,234 --> 00:30:25,548 -Yes. -That's for sure. 545 00:30:25,609 --> 00:30:27,102 Very well said. Yeah. 546 00:30:27,222 --> 00:30:29,393 Definitely non-violence is needed. 547 00:30:30,035 --> 00:30:30,703 Peace on Earth. 548 00:30:30,772 --> 00:30:31,575 Peace on Earth. 549 00:30:31,636 --> 00:30:32,377 Yeah. 550 00:30:48,426 --> 00:30:49,582 Non-violence. 551 00:30:50,128 --> 00:30:51,016 Ahimsa. 552 00:30:52,471 --> 00:30:54,209 Some of the people I admire most, 553 00:30:54,887 --> 00:30:58,062 Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Mandela, 554 00:30:58,123 --> 00:30:59,936 all lived by this principle. 555 00:31:01,411 --> 00:31:02,562 For the Jains, 556 00:31:03,136 --> 00:31:04,325 non-violence 557 00:31:04,973 --> 00:31:06,446 represents a higher road, 558 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:08,085 to strive, 559 00:31:09,205 --> 00:31:10,266 to live above 560 00:31:10,834 --> 00:31:11,821 our base of instincts, 561 00:31:13,250 --> 00:31:14,311 to be more... 562 00:31:16,089 --> 00:31:16,845 god-like. 563 00:31:21,327 --> 00:31:22,910 But for every high road, 564 00:31:23,270 --> 00:31:24,542 there's a low road. 565 00:31:25,399 --> 00:31:28,258 There's another way to keep the faithful on the right path: 566 00:31:29,008 --> 00:31:31,114 fear of divine retribution. 567 00:31:38,620 --> 00:31:39,833 Naples, Italy. 568 00:31:43,745 --> 00:31:46,977 This metropolis sits in the shadow of an active volcano, 569 00:31:47,526 --> 00:31:48,668 Mount Vesuvius. 570 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,203 When Vesuvius erupted in 79 AD, 571 00:31:53,501 --> 00:31:56,924 it buried a different city in ash and volcanic rock: 572 00:31:58,502 --> 00:31:59,257 Pompeii. 573 00:32:02,719 --> 00:32:04,902 When natural disaster strikes, 574 00:32:05,837 --> 00:32:09,167 there are people who see it as a sign of the wrath of God. 575 00:32:10,461 --> 00:32:12,693 Just like in Sodom and Gomorrah, 576 00:32:12,875 --> 00:32:15,716 God is punishing unrepentant sinners. 577 00:32:17,173 --> 00:32:18,405 Hurricane Katrina 578 00:32:19,409 --> 00:32:20,950 and the Haitian earthquake 579 00:32:21,011 --> 00:32:23,771 were both labelled acts of divine retribution 580 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,512 by radical preachers. 581 00:32:33,330 --> 00:32:35,721 I'm meeting archaeologist and historian 582 00:32:35,781 --> 00:32:37,404 Andrew Wallace-Hadrill. 583 00:32:38,404 --> 00:32:39,340 I want to know 584 00:32:39,476 --> 00:32:41,755 whether ancient Romans saw the fire 585 00:32:41,816 --> 00:32:44,201 and brimstone that engulfed Pompeii 586 00:32:44,445 --> 00:32:45,855 as divine punishment. 587 00:32:46,850 --> 00:32:48,129 So, that's it right there. 588 00:32:49,247 --> 00:32:50,309 That's Vesuvius. 589 00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:53,301 They organized their forum 590 00:32:54,190 --> 00:32:55,845 to look at the mountain. 591 00:32:56,181 --> 00:32:58,997 How many people would you say lived here? 592 00:32:59,204 --> 00:33:02,385 The estimates vary between, say, 10,000 and 20,000. 593 00:33:09,058 --> 00:33:12,498 What happens is when Vesuvius blows, 594 00:33:14,540 --> 00:33:16,968 there's a column that shoots up into the air, 595 00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:19,637 20 miles up into the stratosphere. 596 00:33:29,214 --> 00:33:30,420 And it rains 597 00:33:31,356 --> 00:33:32,972 the little pebbles of pumice, 598 00:33:33,218 --> 00:33:35,968 and it just fills this entire area, 599 00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:38,002 but that's not the killer. 600 00:33:42,083 --> 00:33:43,618 The killer is later. 601 00:33:44,236 --> 00:33:45,928 When the column collapses... 602 00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:51,825 You get pyroclastic surges. 603 00:33:52,133 --> 00:33:54,015 That is really hot gas. 604 00:33:54,584 --> 00:33:56,288 400 degrees Fahrenheit 605 00:33:56,488 --> 00:33:58,649 by the time it reaches Pompeii. 606 00:34:04,308 --> 00:34:06,102 There's no way you can survive it. 607 00:34:13,903 --> 00:34:14,917 That's a person? 608 00:34:15,664 --> 00:34:17,352 That's actually a cast. 609 00:34:19,135 --> 00:34:20,247 And inside of it, 610 00:34:20,430 --> 00:34:21,417 there's still the bones. 611 00:34:21,887 --> 00:34:24,945 -Inside of... skull, bones? -Yeah, yeah. 612 00:34:26,416 --> 00:34:27,559 Holy cow. 613 00:34:28,669 --> 00:34:31,310 You can see he's covering his face because... 614 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,555 -Yeah, he can't breathe. -He can't breathe, can't breathe. 615 00:34:35,295 --> 00:34:37,030 Vesuvius's victims were found 616 00:34:37,144 --> 00:34:39,975 when excavations started in 1748. 617 00:34:40,685 --> 00:34:42,613 Beginning in the 19th century, 618 00:34:42,908 --> 00:34:46,091 dozens of them were preserved by creating plaster casts. 619 00:34:47,292 --> 00:34:49,524 How did they make sense of what happened here? 620 00:34:49,585 --> 00:34:52,168 We actually don't know whether they blamed the gods or not, 621 00:34:52,228 --> 00:34:54,643 but the gods really matter for them. 622 00:34:54,851 --> 00:34:56,114 You go into a house, 623 00:34:56,683 --> 00:34:58,375 there are shrines to the gods. 624 00:34:59,057 --> 00:35:00,591 -Okay, can we see any of that? -Yes. 625 00:35:00,857 --> 00:35:01,878 -I want to see. -Let's go see. 626 00:35:05,310 --> 00:35:07,771 Excavations of Pompeii not only unearthed 627 00:35:07,832 --> 00:35:10,175 bodies frozen in their moment of death, 628 00:35:10,798 --> 00:35:13,405 it also gave archaeologists insight 629 00:35:13,466 --> 00:35:17,080 into what everyday Romans believed about divine will. 630 00:35:19,531 --> 00:35:21,335 Alright, what is this, Andrew? 631 00:35:21,395 --> 00:35:23,443 So, this, this is a household shrine. 632 00:35:24,367 --> 00:35:26,361 It's where you worship the Lares 633 00:35:26,422 --> 00:35:27,851 who are the household gods. 634 00:35:28,574 --> 00:35:30,750 For the ancients, the gods are here in the house. 635 00:35:31,024 --> 00:35:32,448 They're out there in the street. 636 00:35:32,615 --> 00:35:33,680 They're everywhere. 637 00:35:35,883 --> 00:35:36,741 Is that Merc? 638 00:35:37,088 --> 00:35:39,152 That's Mercury. And do you see down here? 639 00:35:39,213 --> 00:35:39,793 Yeah. 640 00:35:39,854 --> 00:35:41,103 You've got a little altar. 641 00:35:41,208 --> 00:35:41,809 Yeah. 642 00:35:42,173 --> 00:35:43,705 And on the altar's an offering. 643 00:35:43,766 --> 00:35:45,121 This is how you do a sacrifice. 644 00:35:45,355 --> 00:35:46,075 Alright. 645 00:35:46,454 --> 00:35:48,465 In the household, you sacrifice 646 00:35:48,525 --> 00:35:49,622 just things like eggs 647 00:35:50,128 --> 00:35:51,986 and a bit of, a bit of flour. 648 00:35:52,046 --> 00:35:53,135 You'd leave it up here. 649 00:35:54,857 --> 00:35:56,131 It may only be a cake, 650 00:35:56,247 --> 00:35:57,627 but you're sacrificing it. 651 00:35:57,741 --> 00:35:58,732 Instead of eating it, 652 00:35:58,927 --> 00:36:00,310 you're putting it out for the gods. 653 00:36:00,572 --> 00:36:01,551 And it's part of... 654 00:36:01,817 --> 00:36:03,903 this sort of deal that you're doing with the gods. 655 00:36:04,817 --> 00:36:06,145 You give something to them... 656 00:36:06,267 --> 00:36:07,716 -They give something to you. -Yep. 657 00:36:07,777 --> 00:36:09,969 -Quid pro quo. -Quid pro quo. 658 00:36:12,068 --> 00:36:16,899 So with all this sacrificing and offerings, 659 00:36:17,244 --> 00:36:19,367 did the people feel that 660 00:36:20,127 --> 00:36:21,705 somehow they did something wrong 661 00:36:21,765 --> 00:36:23,566 and they're being punished by the gods? 662 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,719 You don't have this idea of... 663 00:36:27,296 --> 00:36:29,681 the eruption, as divine punishment. 664 00:36:29,970 --> 00:36:32,543 They haven't got one great, angry god 665 00:36:32,604 --> 00:36:34,533 who if you don't worship him, 666 00:36:34,926 --> 00:36:36,135 will destroy your city. 667 00:36:36,196 --> 00:36:37,732 You've got loads of gods, 668 00:36:37,965 --> 00:36:39,579 and they're much more interested in, 669 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,966 have I offended this particular god? 670 00:36:42,303 --> 00:36:43,874 Is Mercury upset with me? 671 00:36:44,058 --> 00:36:46,217 Is that why I'm not making a profit this year? 672 00:36:47,301 --> 00:36:50,166 The Roman gods didn't care about your moral conduct. 673 00:36:51,070 --> 00:36:53,162 There were no divine rules to break. 674 00:36:54,004 --> 00:36:56,066 The only way to incur their wrath 675 00:36:56,593 --> 00:36:58,245 was to be stingy with your gifts. 676 00:36:59,527 --> 00:37:00,572 What about other religions? 677 00:37:00,632 --> 00:37:01,917 I mean, how did they... 678 00:37:02,460 --> 00:37:04,322 explain Vesuvius? 679 00:37:04,404 --> 00:37:05,931 Really what we get 680 00:37:06,085 --> 00:37:07,579 is a much later 681 00:37:08,249 --> 00:37:10,237 Judeo-Christian interpretation, 682 00:37:10,297 --> 00:37:11,135 because they thought, 683 00:37:11,451 --> 00:37:13,550 what does the eruption mean to people? 684 00:37:13,610 --> 00:37:15,909 And they go to the biblical story 685 00:37:15,970 --> 00:37:18,471 of Sodom and Gomorrah, and it's seen as... 686 00:37:18,645 --> 00:37:19,881 an act of God... 687 00:37:19,942 --> 00:37:20,387 Right. 688 00:37:20,448 --> 00:37:22,874 Punishing, but that's, that's not antique. 689 00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:25,680 That's not what the ancients were making of it. That's us! 690 00:37:33,753 --> 00:37:36,314 When nature unleashes its raw power, 691 00:37:36,806 --> 00:37:39,542 be it with volcanoes, earthquakes, 692 00:37:39,602 --> 00:37:41,496 hurricanes or tsunamis, 693 00:37:42,294 --> 00:37:43,511 we are humbled 694 00:37:43,774 --> 00:37:45,395 by our human frailty. 695 00:37:46,747 --> 00:37:48,701 The Romans believed that their gods 696 00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:50,932 needed constant attention, 697 00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:53,540 in order to offer protection. 698 00:37:54,747 --> 00:37:57,089 But there were no commandments to be broken. 699 00:37:57,767 --> 00:38:00,770 No moral failings that would cause their wrath. 700 00:38:03,453 --> 00:38:06,054 Today, most people on Earth believe 701 00:38:06,115 --> 00:38:09,528 we must live by divinely inspired moral laws. 702 00:38:10,526 --> 00:38:11,995 But when cultures clash, 703 00:38:12,665 --> 00:38:14,761 holy laws come into conflict, 704 00:38:15,378 --> 00:38:17,838 and people take divine retribution 705 00:38:17,911 --> 00:38:19,234 into their own hands. 706 00:38:43,628 --> 00:38:46,012 Thou shalt not commit adultery. 707 00:38:48,764 --> 00:38:51,221 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house. 708 00:38:54,824 --> 00:38:56,647 Thou shalt not steal. 709 00:38:58,266 --> 00:39:02,728 Those Jewish laws merged with the political systems 710 00:39:03,133 --> 00:39:04,768 of ancient Greece and Rome 711 00:39:05,562 --> 00:39:07,455 and helped build the Western world. 712 00:39:08,691 --> 00:39:10,336 But they aren't universal rules. 713 00:39:11,418 --> 00:39:14,202 They don't form the foundation of all societies. 714 00:39:16,074 --> 00:39:17,631 One faith's prohibition 715 00:39:18,361 --> 00:39:19,797 could be another's virtue. 716 00:39:21,013 --> 00:39:21,922 And... 717 00:39:22,415 --> 00:39:23,710 as cultures meet, 718 00:39:24,327 --> 00:39:26,497 commandments can drive a wedge between them. 719 00:39:33,621 --> 00:39:36,487 In Bamiyan, Afghanistan, in 2001, 720 00:39:36,812 --> 00:39:38,836 the Taliban ordered that the tallest 721 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,843 statues of Buddha in the world 722 00:39:41,279 --> 00:39:42,179 be destroyed. 723 00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:46,082 The motivation was the Islamic prohibition 724 00:39:46,142 --> 00:39:48,095 against idolatrous images, 725 00:39:48,775 --> 00:39:51,934 stemming from the second commandment of Jewish law. 726 00:39:53,366 --> 00:39:56,660 Most Muslims decried these acts as extreme 727 00:39:57,161 --> 00:39:59,093 and intolerant of other faiths. 728 00:40:02,469 --> 00:40:04,549 But mass destruction of religious icons 729 00:40:04,609 --> 00:40:05,921 has happened before. 730 00:40:06,507 --> 00:40:07,651 The perpetrators... 731 00:40:08,062 --> 00:40:08,918 were Christian. 732 00:40:13,687 --> 00:40:15,354 The conflict erupted here, 733 00:40:15,584 --> 00:40:17,055 in Istanbul, Turkey, 734 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,561 1,300 years ago. 735 00:40:20,728 --> 00:40:22,296 Journalist Nelufar Hedayat 736 00:40:22,357 --> 00:40:24,771 has come here to visit the Hagia Sophia. 737 00:40:29,864 --> 00:40:32,058 And to learn how a holy law 738 00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:34,794 divided the entire Christian Empire. 739 00:40:36,019 --> 00:40:37,816 She's meeting archaeologist 740 00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:39,549 Alessandra Ricci. 741 00:40:39,609 --> 00:40:41,266 -Hello. -How are you? 742 00:40:41,401 --> 00:40:44,301 So nice to meet you. Welcome to Istanbul. 743 00:40:47,154 --> 00:40:48,244 My God. 744 00:40:49,481 --> 00:40:52,279 It looks so much bigger on the inside. 745 00:40:53,692 --> 00:40:56,048 This is a building that envelops you. 746 00:40:56,108 --> 00:40:58,257 You're hit by the majesty of it all. 747 00:40:58,317 --> 00:41:01,053 It's just so stunning. 748 00:41:01,617 --> 00:41:02,913 This place just looks like 749 00:41:02,974 --> 00:41:05,762 there's layer upon layer of history. 750 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,275 The Hagia Sophia was built in the year 537 751 00:41:11,342 --> 00:41:13,157 by Emperor Justinian. 752 00:41:14,161 --> 00:41:15,091 At the time, 753 00:41:15,421 --> 00:41:17,877 it was the largest building in the world, 754 00:41:18,372 --> 00:41:19,744 and the greatest church 755 00:41:19,958 --> 00:41:22,056 in the Byzantine Christian Empire. 756 00:41:24,355 --> 00:41:26,971 In 1453, the Ottomans conquered the city 757 00:41:27,032 --> 00:41:29,714 and turned Hagia Sophia into a mosque. 758 00:41:30,695 --> 00:41:32,411 Since 1935, 759 00:41:32,711 --> 00:41:33,834 it's been a museum 760 00:41:34,183 --> 00:41:36,259 where visitors can see spectacular 761 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,389 religious art from both faiths. 762 00:41:40,152 --> 00:41:42,363 One of these artworks, the Deeisis, 763 00:41:42,845 --> 00:41:45,562 is a window into a tumultuous century 764 00:41:45,722 --> 00:41:47,296 of early Christianity. 765 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,892 Here, on this wall, 766 00:41:50,406 --> 00:41:52,448 in the centre is Christ 767 00:41:53,062 --> 00:41:56,939 and then is his mother, the mother of God, 768 00:41:57,146 --> 00:41:59,570 and John the Baptist over here. 769 00:42:00,069 --> 00:42:02,701 Alessandra, this is absolutely beautiful, 770 00:42:02,761 --> 00:42:05,186 but I've seen countless images just like this 771 00:42:05,246 --> 00:42:06,325 within Christianity. 772 00:42:06,385 --> 00:42:08,077 Why is this controversial? 773 00:42:08,249 --> 00:42:10,499 This representation of Christ 774 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,196 might have been similar to an earlier one, 775 00:42:14,257 --> 00:42:16,474 which decorated the entrance 776 00:42:16,534 --> 00:42:20,240 into the Imperial Palace of the Byzantine emperors. 777 00:42:20,572 --> 00:42:25,302 And in 726, the Emperor Leo decided 778 00:42:25,429 --> 00:42:28,757 to remove and actually destroy 779 00:42:28,818 --> 00:42:31,286 that holy representation of Christ. 780 00:42:33,551 --> 00:42:35,596 The destruction was the opening salvo 781 00:42:35,656 --> 00:42:37,365 of more than a hundred years 782 00:42:37,735 --> 00:42:39,727 where the Christian Empire banned 783 00:42:39,788 --> 00:42:41,788 graven images in religious art. 784 00:42:42,312 --> 00:42:43,754 They were doing this because 785 00:42:43,815 --> 00:42:46,573 the Second Commandment says, 'Thou shalt not make unto thee 786 00:42:46,724 --> 00:42:48,091 any graven images.' 787 00:42:48,151 --> 00:42:48,857 Right. 788 00:42:48,934 --> 00:42:52,093 A lot of figural representations 789 00:42:52,154 --> 00:42:55,267 of the holy were destroyed in the city 790 00:42:55,328 --> 00:42:58,823 and probably around the Byzantine Empire. 791 00:43:00,291 --> 00:43:01,872 In Islam, in my faith, 792 00:43:02,282 --> 00:43:06,028 we prohibit the representation of God 793 00:43:06,089 --> 00:43:08,351 or the prophet Muhammad, in any form, 794 00:43:08,586 --> 00:43:12,184 but in Christianity this was so important and fundamental. 795 00:43:12,244 --> 00:43:13,840 How did this start? 796 00:43:14,177 --> 00:43:15,531 If we look east, 797 00:43:15,668 --> 00:43:20,060 beyond the borders of the Byzantine Empire, 798 00:43:20,321 --> 00:43:22,939 at this very moment what you have 799 00:43:23,068 --> 00:43:24,796 is the rise of Islam, 800 00:43:24,981 --> 00:43:26,651 and it was the rise of Islam 801 00:43:26,821 --> 00:43:28,960 that may have encouraged Leo 802 00:43:29,020 --> 00:43:31,083 to look at that commandment 803 00:43:31,406 --> 00:43:33,861 in a more strict fashion, 804 00:43:33,921 --> 00:43:36,360 by saying you should not worship 805 00:43:36,636 --> 00:43:38,708 these human images 806 00:43:38,834 --> 00:43:41,937 and not associate them with the divine. 807 00:43:43,137 --> 00:43:45,252 It wasn't just the rise of Islam 808 00:43:45,312 --> 00:43:48,194 that spurred Leo to rethink the Second Commandment. 809 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,650 In his powerful empire, 810 00:43:50,904 --> 00:43:53,371 images of Christ were also being used 811 00:43:53,432 --> 00:43:55,107 for non-religious ends. 812 00:43:55,383 --> 00:43:57,673 What you have here is an empress 813 00:43:57,734 --> 00:44:00,891 by the name of Irene, and next to her 814 00:44:01,025 --> 00:44:04,772 is her second husband, Constantine Monomachos. 815 00:44:05,685 --> 00:44:08,622 And what the imperial figures are doing here... 816 00:44:08,683 --> 00:44:09,330 Yes. 817 00:44:09,391 --> 00:44:12,042 They are carrying a donation to the church. 818 00:44:12,103 --> 00:44:13,427 -Of money? -Yes. 819 00:44:13,937 --> 00:44:15,143 And we've got it right here, 820 00:44:15,204 --> 00:44:18,043 where emperor and empress are sat next to Christ. 821 00:44:18,103 --> 00:44:20,282 And putting yourself into the picture like this, 822 00:44:20,509 --> 00:44:22,219 I can see how that would be problematic 823 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,955 when it comes to the Second Commandment. 824 00:44:25,031 --> 00:44:28,003 The ideological battle over the Second Commandment 825 00:44:28,196 --> 00:44:31,247 raged back and forth until 843, 826 00:44:31,770 --> 00:44:33,483 when Empress Theodora 827 00:44:33,774 --> 00:44:36,462 permanently reinstated the use of icons. 828 00:44:37,122 --> 00:44:39,744 What you see standing above the apse, 829 00:44:40,091 --> 00:44:42,753 which was the holiest place of the building, 830 00:44:42,876 --> 00:44:46,000 is this beautiful mosaic of the mother of God, 831 00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:47,743 the Theotokos. 832 00:44:47,916 --> 00:44:49,430 She's holding on her lap 833 00:44:49,706 --> 00:44:51,055 the infant Jesus, 834 00:44:51,516 --> 00:44:56,435 and this mosaic marks the return of religious imagery 835 00:44:56,643 --> 00:45:00,276 in Eastern Mediterranean Christian churches. 836 00:45:05,076 --> 00:45:07,640 I'm from Afghanistan, Alessandra, 837 00:45:07,701 --> 00:45:10,628 and the religious extremists there 838 00:45:10,855 --> 00:45:14,209 have destroyed important parts 839 00:45:14,572 --> 00:45:17,339 of our cultural and historic DNA. 840 00:45:17,855 --> 00:45:21,192 So you don't have to go far in history to see the importance 841 00:45:22,380 --> 00:45:24,350 of these images of the divine 842 00:45:24,511 --> 00:45:26,473 and what it means to people. 843 00:45:27,828 --> 00:45:30,081 Today, this breathtaking building 844 00:45:30,141 --> 00:45:33,326 stands as a shining example of religious tolerance. 845 00:45:34,229 --> 00:45:36,258 The first Ottoman sultan of Istanbul 846 00:45:36,319 --> 00:45:38,992 turned the Hagia Sofia into a mosque, 847 00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:42,296 but he did not destroy the Christian icons. 848 00:45:43,223 --> 00:45:44,925 He merely plastered over them, 849 00:45:45,361 --> 00:45:47,356 preserving them for history. 850 00:45:48,124 --> 00:45:48,875 I think... 851 00:45:49,093 --> 00:45:50,746 what we are seeing here is this 852 00:45:50,807 --> 00:45:53,678 beautiful visual rendering of the holy, 853 00:45:53,992 --> 00:45:57,798 that stand here and are made available 854 00:45:57,858 --> 00:46:01,955 to all visitors of all faith and of all cultures. 855 00:46:03,623 --> 00:46:04,657 Such a joy. 856 00:46:15,324 --> 00:46:17,878 Do we still need holy laws? 857 00:46:19,052 --> 00:46:20,589 In the hands of fanatics, 858 00:46:20,812 --> 00:46:22,676 they can lead to moral judgements 859 00:46:22,946 --> 00:46:23,926 and conflict. 860 00:46:24,816 --> 00:46:27,199 But they can also point us in the right direction, 861 00:46:28,130 --> 00:46:31,157 on the path to valuing peace above all else. 862 00:46:32,272 --> 00:46:34,345 Living in harmony with others. 863 00:46:37,346 --> 00:46:39,899 And forgiving the most grievous wrongs. 864 00:46:40,418 --> 00:46:42,321 I think divine laws 865 00:46:42,591 --> 00:46:44,551 are so embedded in our lives 866 00:46:45,250 --> 00:46:46,526 that they are here to stay. 867 00:46:47,356 --> 00:46:48,504 Question is, 868 00:46:49,171 --> 00:46:50,450 how do we use them? 869 00:46:51,325 --> 00:46:53,278 To divide and demean, 870 00:46:53,949 --> 00:46:57,884 or as a reminder to honour and respect each other, 871 00:46:58,919 --> 00:47:00,516 and to take care of this... 872 00:47:00,793 --> 00:47:02,708 remarkable world we live in. 61856

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