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There is one role that
follows me wherever I go.
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You could say it's omnipresent.
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It's having played God.
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I think what
resonates with people
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is that God would
appear among us,
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but not with some angelic halo,
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more as an ordinary person,
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a janitor,
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carpenter.
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Jesus is not the only example
of human incarnation of God.
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The Egyptian Pharaohs,
the emperors of the Inca
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were all considered divine.
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Makes you wonder
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why do people want to
see God walk among us?
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I'm going on a journey
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to discover how different faiths
see God taking human form.
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I'll meet a goddess living
in the body of a Nepali girl.
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She's the Kumari, we're
going to get a chance
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to get her blessing today.
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I'll visit a Hindu sect whose God
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walked the earth
just 200 years ago.
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Just as Jesus was God on Earth,
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Swaminarayan was God on earth.
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I'll witness a host of
Gods come down to Hanoi.
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And discover ancient
archaeological evidence
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of when Jesus became a god.
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Here's the momentous word here,
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to the god Jesus Christ.
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There is one god on earth
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whose followers number
in the billions...
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Jesus.
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Every Christmas,
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throngs of pilgrims converge
on the starting point
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of his terrestrial journey...
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Bethlehem.
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The Church of the
Nativity on Manger Square
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is built over the spot
where the faithful
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believe the manger once stood.
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Franciscan priest
Father Peter Vasko
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is taking me to the
exact place where Helena,
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mother of Roman
Emperor Constantine,
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believed Jesus was born.
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Wow.
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Hundreds of thousands
of pilgrims have come
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from around the
world to be here.
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Now over here,
we'll go down here,
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here is the manger.
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Okay, this is what
we're looking for.
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So we're in the actual place
where our Lord was born.
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Very powerful,
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and one of the holiest
shrines that we have.
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Christians venerate
this site now,
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but I'm eager to understand
when Jesus the preacher,
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Jesus the Rabbi
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came to be seen as
the divine Jesus.
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The answer may lie
86 miles to the north.
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I've been offered a glimpse
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of an archaeological
discovery so important
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that it was re-buried
for protection
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almost as soon as
it was discovered.
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It was unearthed in 2005
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when work started
on an expansion
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of a high security
Israeli prison.
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Hi.
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Now the prison offers
welcome security,
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as the site has been recently
exposed again for further study.
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Here to show me around is
scholar of comparative religion,
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Doctor Yonatan Moss.
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-Hello.
-Hello sir.
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I hear you have proof
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that early Christians
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thought that Jesus was God.
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We do have proof
along those lines.
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This here
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is an excavation of what
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was discovered to be
an early Christian prayer hall.
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And here is this
fantastic mosaic.
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Back in the early 3rd Century,
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this mosaic
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was the floor of a house,
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one of the oldest
Christian houses of worship
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ever discovered.
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So, we are actually
in a house here.
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Yes, so what does
this look like to you?
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-Greek.
-Exactly.
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Greek to us.
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Well, let me read it for you.
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Okay.
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Pros enikein Akeptous.
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Akeptos is somebody's name.
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And what did this
woman Akeptos do?
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Pros enikein, she dedicated
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this table, the table.
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What table is she talking about.
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Do we see any remnants?
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What about right
there in the middle?
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Bingo.
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This is the base of the table
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that would have
been in this church.
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-Altar.
-Altar.
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Exactly.
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Now she doesn't
call it an altar,
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but this would have been
where they would have their
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religious, liturgical
celebration,
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maybe something
like the Eucharist.
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And it would have
been the table,
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maybe altar,
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for the celebration of
the bread and the wine.
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Biblical scholars believe
the sharing of bread and wine
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as the divine body
and blood of Jesus
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has been part of Christian
worship since the 1st century.
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And, as suggested by the
letters of the Apostle Paul,
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many of the early church leaders
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were women.
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I think it's very interesting
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that it's a woman who
dedicates this table.
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It sort of runs counter to...
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what we see today.
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It does yes.
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In the early centuries,
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because Christianity
was kind of an
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underground and counter
cultural movement,
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it was often the
people who were in a...
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somewhat subjugated
position within society,
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who accepted Christianity,
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earlier than people
in positions of power.
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Right.
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And one of the main demographics
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in that category were women.
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Direct archaeological
evidence of a woman
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leading a 3rd Century church
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is a rare find.
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But the mosaic reveals
something far more momentous
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about the people
who worshipped here.
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It says,
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she dedicated the table
or offered the table,
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and here's the
momentous word here,
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Theo iesu Christo,
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to the God, or
God, Jesus Christ.
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Not the son of God.
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Just God.
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So this is the oldest
archaeological evidence
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that Christians thought of Jesus
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as God.
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This was the matter of debate
among early Christians, right.
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We have the Council
of Nicea in 325
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where they discussed the
Trinitarian question, right?
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What does it mean?
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The Father,
the son, the holy ghost.
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Exactly, what does
it mean to say
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that Christ is the son of God?
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But what did ordinary
Christians believe?
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That was always very
hard to kind of figure out.
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This site would seem
to give us the voice
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of these ancient
Christian women,
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and what they
believed about Christ.
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It's explicitly stated here.
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Theou iesu christo.
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For these, the
people living here,
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in this village,
in the 3rd century,
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they understood
Christ to be divine.
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Christ as God.
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As God, exactly.
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Well, this is quite an
incredible discovery.
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1800 years ago,
this ordinary house
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was a meeting place
for a group of people,
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a group of Christians, the
dominant voice being women,
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played a part in
transforming Jesus the rabbi,
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Jesus the prophet,
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into Jesus the God.
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God made flesh.
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I would argue it is
this transformation
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that has given
Christianity its longevity.
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Billions of souls followed
the teaching, not of a man,
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but of God.
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God on earth.
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Jesus's few dramatic
decades on earth
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confirmed his
divinity in the hearts
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of Christians for 2,000 years.
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Other faiths' gods come and go,
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much more frequently.
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I've come to the
mountain nation of Nepal.
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The capital, Kathmandu,
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is a noisy, bustling,
modern city,
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and home to a living goddess.
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She resides just down
the road from the square,
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next to the local
produce market,
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in the centre of town.
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We are going to enter, a
very, you know, sacred space.
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Anil Chitrakar is a
Nepalese cultural ambassador
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who is here to
help me learn about
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the ancient tradition of Kumari.
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This is the, space, where
the living goddess lives.
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We regard the Kumari as
something integral to our life,
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because they are the protectors
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of everything we have
and everything we do.
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And so, we're
gonna get a chance,
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you know, for you to
actually meet her,
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and then, you know,
get her blessing today.
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About how old is this child?
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So, usually, they start around
three or four years old.
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-Three years old, giving blessings?
-Right.
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Even today,
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you know, the Head
of State, you know,
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must get a blessing, you
know, from this young girl,
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to rule this country,
you know, for a year.
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The Kumari is worshipped
as a deity by both
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the Nepalese Hindus
and Buddhists.
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She is chosen from the Buddhist
Newari people of this region,
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and reigns as a living embodiment
of the Hindu goddess, Taleju.
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Her Dharma, or duty,
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is to bestow blessings
on believers.
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Be mindful that she
will be expressionless,
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because the local people, you
know, believe that laughter,
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you know, a smile, you
know, all those expressions
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that human beings have, you
know, are not a very good sign.
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And so, having a straight face,
is usually the good thing.
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Oh, now, wait a minute!
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Well, what if the child
sees me and smiles?
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Hm-mm,
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so, that would not be a very good
thing because people believe,
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that that could be a bad omen,
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you know, that could lead
to something bad, like
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you know death, or even a legal
case, you know, things that,
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you know bad things
that people want to avoid.
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And so generally we believe
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that a straight face is
what you really want to,
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you know, see.
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Are you coming?
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I'm not going to come in.
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Okay.
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I'm about to have an audience
with a living embodiment
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of the Hindu god Taleju.
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My hope is that the Kumari
remains expressionless.
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Even the hint of a smile
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is said to bring misfortune.
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She didn't,
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she didn't smile.
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As a matter of fact, she didn't
have an expression at all.
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Okay. That's a good thing.
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So that's good for me right?
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That's a good thing.
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Alright, and I also
noticed that...
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her feet were up on
a little platform.
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Pedestal, yes.
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So while she is the Kumari,
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she should not
touch the earth...
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Uh-huh. And so she
will be carried around.
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I see, okay.
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And so she gets carried
around in a palanquin...
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Yeah.
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Even when she has
to go to festivals
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and to attend other
rituals in the city.
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This royal treatment
isn't required
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merely out of respect
for the divine.
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It avoids her receiving
cuts to her feet.
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If she bleeds,
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she ceases to be a goddess.
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Of course,
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that day can only
be put off so long.
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With the onset of puberty,
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this young girl must
return to a way of life
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that may now be alien to her.
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It seemed like this would be
kind of a rough deal for a kid.
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It is a rough deal,
you know, for a kid,
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but I think in this
part of the world,
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you know, we're constantly
reminded about our duty...
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Yes.
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And so in, you know, sort
of the years to come,
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the people take great
pride in the fact
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that she was able to
serve her community,
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by taking on this duty.
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And after is
no longer a Goddess..
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-Right.
-what is she?
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You know once she
reaches puberty,
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then the community
begins to search,
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you know, for a second child,
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you know, who'll replace her.
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She enters the regular
family and I think...
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She becomes just a regular...
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Regular girl.
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Got it.
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The Kumari can't speak to me.
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She can't tell me what it's
like to be a living Goddess.
285
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But Anil has arranged for
me to visit someone...
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who can.
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Former Kumari, Matina Shakya.
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Namaste.
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Matina is not the first
in the Shakya line
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to have been seen as divine.
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The lineage traces back
to Siddhartha Gautama,
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the Buddha.
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Now,
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Matina has returned to the life
of a typical 13-year-old girl.
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I just met a Kumari.
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She was on her cushion.
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Her feet are up on a platform.
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And she had no expression.
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And I was told that
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if she did have an expression
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it could be my downfall.
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I don't know if you have
to think, after a while,
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about controlling yourself?
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Can you give me any
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idea how you felt?
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So, no, she doesn't have any,
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you know, negative thoughts.
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She's saying that
for nine years,
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the two things she
found very good
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was her friends would
come and play with her,
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so she always had the company.
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But the second one was,
you know, she had tutors,
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you know, who took her
through the curriculum.
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Is it difficult to
make the transition
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from being the goddess
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to being just regular?
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Very normal,
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she doesn't have
any difficulty...
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Really? Adjusting to
this new life, no.
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Do your friends
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still think of you as a goddess?
322
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So they recognize both the roles
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that she's a former Kumari,
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but then when they're playing,
325
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you know, she's
just a class mate.
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Okay.
327
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What makes you laugh out loud?
328
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Is she gonna say nothing?
329
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Well, I guess she can't grow
up as a goddess and not...
330
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-gain some sense of bearing, right?
-Right.
331
00:17:30,073 --> 00:17:31,324
-Right
-Right.
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And I'm struck by her serenity.
333
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What do you want to go in to?
334
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What do you going to do in life?
335
00:18:04,086 --> 00:18:06,031
So she loves her
math class a lot,
336
00:18:06,412 --> 00:18:08,642
but what that will lead to
she hasn't yet decided.
337
00:18:08,703 --> 00:18:11,502
Right, well that's good
enough I'm telling you.
338
00:18:13,859 --> 00:18:16,341
One thing I do not do, math.
339
00:18:19,284 --> 00:18:19,975
Thank you.
340
00:18:20,036 --> 00:18:21,066
You're welcome.
341
00:18:27,264 --> 00:18:30,837
I'm just amazed when I
contemplate Matina's childhood.
342
00:18:31,554 --> 00:18:35,411
At the age of three she was
elevated to the status of goddess.
343
00:18:37,050 --> 00:18:38,216
That was her Dharma,
344
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her duty;
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she was given a role by her
community to be a source of
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divine blessing and guidance.
347
00:18:49,028 --> 00:18:51,343
To be a bridge
between this world,
348
00:18:51,670 --> 00:18:53,195
and the realm of the gods.
349
00:18:56,138 --> 00:18:58,770
That was Matina's burden,
350
00:19:01,019 --> 00:19:02,247
and her honour.
351
00:19:17,683 --> 00:19:21,273
Being a god for a decade shapes
the Kumari's entire life.
352
00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,646
But some gods enter human bodies
for just fleeting moments.
353
00:19:47,482 --> 00:19:49,193
I've come to the city of Hanoi,
354
00:19:49,427 --> 00:19:52,480
Vietnam's capital
and cultural heart.
355
00:19:53,471 --> 00:19:55,556
I'm here to witness a ceremony
356
00:19:55,689 --> 00:19:58,611
of the ancient Dao
Mau folk religion.
357
00:20:11,465 --> 00:20:12,846
Nguyen Ngoc Vi
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is a Dao Mau spirit medium.
359
00:20:15,299 --> 00:20:15,983
Vi,
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how are you?
361
00:20:19,324 --> 00:20:20,739
So good to see you.
362
00:20:20,843 --> 00:20:22,750
Yes, nice to
meet you, come please.
363
00:20:22,811 --> 00:20:23,730
Thank you.
364
00:20:26,693 --> 00:20:28,190
She's preparing to ask the gods
365
00:20:28,251 --> 00:20:32,000
to come down to earth
for Bui Thi Khim Khue,
366
00:20:32,476 --> 00:20:35,306
who needs divine guidance
in her romantic life.
367
00:20:36,482 --> 00:20:39,575
But first, I want
to understand how Vi
368
00:20:39,636 --> 00:20:41,685
became a channel
for divine spirits.
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00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:45,598
How does a young woman like
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00:20:46,151 --> 00:20:48,172
you become a spirit medium?
371
00:20:52,331 --> 00:20:54,714
People said that when
she was very young
372
00:20:54,775 --> 00:20:55,972
she was very uncommon.
373
00:20:56,033 --> 00:20:56,686
Yeah.
374
00:21:00,046 --> 00:21:02,094
We didn't know
anything until the day
375
00:21:02,155 --> 00:21:06,234
that my parents went to talk to
the Fortune Teller,
376
00:21:06,808 --> 00:21:10,051
and also that I start to see,
377
00:21:10,459 --> 00:21:11,138
gods...
378
00:21:12,211 --> 00:21:12,897
spirit.
379
00:21:20,282 --> 00:21:24,823
So you think these
spirits were trying to...
380
00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:27,399
communicate something to you?
381
00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:28,211
Yeah.
382
00:21:31,847 --> 00:21:35,019
One time I receive a
message like a dream,
383
00:21:35,460 --> 00:21:37,028
from the God,
384
00:21:37,368 --> 00:21:40,220
and he told me that I should
385
00:21:40,281 --> 00:21:43,612
become a medium to help people.
386
00:21:43,890 --> 00:21:46,686
To be the messenger of God.
387
00:21:53,108 --> 00:21:56,353
Vi has become one of Dao
Mau's leading mediums,
388
00:21:57,008 --> 00:21:58,758
drawing people who wish to speak
389
00:21:58,819 --> 00:22:01,280
to the Gods from all
over northern Vietnam.
390
00:22:02,216 --> 00:22:03,769
The religion has many deities.
391
00:22:04,189 --> 00:22:06,371
Over several weeks
of preparation,
392
00:22:06,755 --> 00:22:10,389
Vi has petitioned several of
them to come down to Earth today.
393
00:22:17,295 --> 00:22:18,909
But the ceremony can only begin
394
00:22:18,970 --> 00:22:21,328
when Vi senses the arrival
of the Mother Goddess,
395
00:22:22,068 --> 00:22:23,576
a chief deity of Dao Mau
396
00:22:23,987 --> 00:22:26,206
who opens the door
for the other gods.
397
00:22:47,611 --> 00:22:48,993
When a deity arrives,
398
00:22:49,582 --> 00:22:53,499
Vi signals her assistants to
dress her in that god's clothing.
399
00:23:13,809 --> 00:23:15,294
This deity is a general.
400
00:23:16,038 --> 00:23:17,827
The colour of each god's costume
401
00:23:17,888 --> 00:23:20,953
represents which of the four
elements of nature they control;
402
00:23:21,713 --> 00:23:22,275
earth,
403
00:23:22,512 --> 00:23:23,282
sky,
404
00:23:23,630 --> 00:23:24,482
mountain
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00:23:24,749 --> 00:23:25,548
or water.
406
00:23:59,817 --> 00:24:00,839
Why are you here?
407
00:24:13,731 --> 00:24:16,553
The general leaves without
giving a message to Khue.
408
00:24:19,458 --> 00:24:22,426
But a new god is
already on the way.
409
00:24:37,389 --> 00:24:40,027
Nguyen Ngoc Vi has
prayed for several Gods
410
00:24:40,088 --> 00:24:43,470
of the Dao Mau folk religion
to come down to Hanoi today.
411
00:24:45,901 --> 00:24:49,296
She believes one of them
can help Bui Thi Khim Khue
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00:24:49,636 --> 00:24:51,026
with her troubled love life.
413
00:24:58,638 --> 00:25:02,208
As each god arrives Vi
welcomes them with a drink,
414
00:25:03,217 --> 00:25:04,497
changes into their costume,
415
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,599
and lets them express
themselves in human form.
416
00:25:20,246 --> 00:25:23,298
A series of noble
ladies, Princes,
417
00:25:23,834 --> 00:25:26,138
and maidens inhabit Vi's body.
418
00:25:27,022 --> 00:25:28,886
But none has a message for Khue.
419
00:25:31,237 --> 00:25:32,547
Until, at last,
420
00:25:33,138 --> 00:25:35,158
a second general arrives.
421
00:25:39,491 --> 00:25:41,743
It's the Commander
of Tu n Tranh,
422
00:25:41,883 --> 00:25:43,688
a figure famous
for fighting back
423
00:25:43,769 --> 00:25:46,431
a Mongol invasion
in the 13th century.
424
00:25:54,131 --> 00:25:56,375
He summons Khue to
come to the altar.
425
00:26:37,843 --> 00:26:40,618
So, he gave me a blessing
426
00:26:40,685 --> 00:26:43,772
that I'm going to meet a person,
427
00:26:43,833 --> 00:26:45,995
with good,
with a kind heart.
428
00:26:46,659 --> 00:26:48,583
And, will get married.
429
00:26:49,332 --> 00:26:50,112
Yes.
430
00:26:50,232 --> 00:26:51,511
That's, the blessing I got.
431
00:26:52,174 --> 00:26:55,043
He give you any idea how long
it's gonna be before this happens?
432
00:26:55,549 --> 00:26:57,642
Maybe soon, I hope.
433
00:26:58,965 --> 00:27:00,235
Okay we'll see.
434
00:27:00,296 --> 00:27:01,135
We'll see.
435
00:27:03,216 --> 00:27:05,390
They gonna ask me
to finish bottom up.
436
00:27:06,285 --> 00:27:08,388
-Bottoms up.
-So that I can get married.
437
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:09,993
Okay.
438
00:27:26,752 --> 00:27:30,322
Gods and the souls of
ancestors all mix and mingle
439
00:27:31,392 --> 00:27:34,207
flowing through the
tradition of Dao Mau.
440
00:27:36,693 --> 00:27:37,687
For the believers,
441
00:27:38,060 --> 00:27:41,774
the boundary between the eternal
and our mortal world is thin
442
00:27:42,456 --> 00:27:43,430
and porous.
443
00:27:45,635 --> 00:27:47,939
The appearance of
these gods on earth,
444
00:27:48,419 --> 00:27:49,217
it's not a miracle.
445
00:27:50,396 --> 00:27:51,552
It's an everyday occurrence.
446
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:55,451
Like calling up an old friend.
447
00:28:00,135 --> 00:28:02,175
We gonna have to give all this
money back before we leave?
448
00:28:02,496 --> 00:28:03,257
No.
449
00:28:03,787 --> 00:28:05,423
You can keep this, it's lucky.
450
00:28:05,814 --> 00:28:07,643
About 60 grand here.
451
00:28:12,233 --> 00:28:14,925
Many believers turn to
the gods in times of need.
452
00:28:16,922 --> 00:28:18,943
Jesus came to
Judea when the Jews
453
00:28:19,004 --> 00:28:21,055
were under the thumb
of Roman occupation.
454
00:28:22,152 --> 00:28:23,705
Thousands of years later,
455
00:28:25,914 --> 00:28:27,695
some say he came again,
456
00:28:28,095 --> 00:28:29,914
this time to Africa.
457
00:28:33,458 --> 00:28:37,034
Shashamane, Ethiopia is
a Rastafari settlement
458
00:28:37,095 --> 00:28:40,274
more than 7000
miles from Jamaica.
459
00:28:42,793 --> 00:28:46,243
Donisha Prendergast,
activist, documentarian,
460
00:28:46,396 --> 00:28:49,282
and granddaughter of
reggae legend Bob Marley...
461
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:50,774
Thank you.
462
00:28:50,973 --> 00:28:53,470
is here to learn about
the Rastafari belief
463
00:28:53,531 --> 00:28:56,930
that the late Ethiopian
Emperor Haile Selassie
464
00:28:56,991 --> 00:28:59,263
was a reincarnation of Jesus.
465
00:28:59,769 --> 00:29:01,765
# Babylon is falling,
466
00:29:02,767 --> 00:29:05,124
Ethiopia she is calling. #
467
00:29:05,195 --> 00:29:07,547
Meeting her today
is Sydney Salmon,
468
00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:12,759
a Jamaican Rastafarian
who now calls Shashamane home.
469
00:29:12,820 --> 00:29:16,314
Welcome, welcome, welcome home,
welcome home, welcome home.
470
00:29:17,063 --> 00:29:18,990
You know many people think that
471
00:29:19,406 --> 00:29:20,722
Rastafari is just
472
00:29:21,148 --> 00:29:22,053
Bob Marley,
473
00:29:22,521 --> 00:29:23,380
ganja,
474
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:24,831
Reggae music.
475
00:29:24,904 --> 00:29:25,610
Yes.
476
00:29:26,045 --> 00:29:26,796
So, tell me,
477
00:29:27,243 --> 00:29:29,099
what is it about Shashamane,
478
00:29:29,173 --> 00:29:30,723
why do you find yourself here?
479
00:29:31,255 --> 00:29:35,076
You know, Shashamane is the
Mecca of Rastafari, you know.
480
00:29:35,137 --> 00:29:38,046
We can't talk about
Rastafari as a movement...
481
00:29:38,189 --> 00:29:38,617
Yes.
482
00:29:38,689 --> 00:29:40,757
without talking about
Marcus Mosiah Garvey.
483
00:29:40,817 --> 00:29:41,779
Yes, I...
484
00:29:42,477 --> 00:29:44,595
The story starts in 1920
485
00:29:44,725 --> 00:29:47,350
with the Jamaican publisher
and political activist,
486
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:48,874
Marcus Garvey.
487
00:29:48,935 --> 00:29:51,228
Marcus Garvey is like
John the Baptist,
488
00:29:51,524 --> 00:29:54,149
you know, the first man
who come and spoke to us.
489
00:29:54,209 --> 00:29:56,342
He said, 'Africans
need to see their God
490
00:29:56,403 --> 00:29:57,846
through African spectacles.'
491
00:29:58,282 --> 00:30:01,367
Garvey believed that
people of African descent,
492
00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:05,343
dispersed by slavery and
tyrannized by colonialism,
493
00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:09,000
needed leaders, both
political and spiritual,
494
00:30:09,362 --> 00:30:10,999
made in their own image.
495
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:13,536
He wrote...
496
00:30:13,936 --> 00:30:14,941
'Look to Africa
497
00:30:16,159 --> 00:30:18,159
when a black king
shall be crowned,'
498
00:30:19,614 --> 00:30:22,341
'for the day of
deliverance is near.'
499
00:30:38,361 --> 00:30:39,506
Ten years later,
500
00:30:39,824 --> 00:30:43,021
the Ethiopian nobleman
Rastafari Mekonnen
501
00:30:43,142 --> 00:30:45,667
was crowned Emperor of Ethiopia,
502
00:30:46,236 --> 00:30:48,185
and took the name
Haile Selassie.
503
00:30:49,881 --> 00:30:52,857
88 years ago when his
majesty was coronated...
504
00:30:52,918 --> 00:30:54,697
-Yes.
-He changed history.
505
00:30:54,758 --> 00:30:55,479
Yes.
506
00:30:55,814 --> 00:30:58,971
So from the jump His Majesty
was about African unity.
507
00:30:59,032 --> 00:30:59,824
Unity.
508
00:31:01,271 --> 00:31:04,303
Many Jamaicans, living
under British colonial rule,
509
00:31:04,364 --> 00:31:08,046
were inspired by Selassie's
resistance to European invaders.
510
00:31:08,663 --> 00:31:10,769
And saw him as
Garvey's redeemer.
511
00:31:11,735 --> 00:31:14,213
Some pronounced him a
reincarnation of Jesus,
512
00:31:15,123 --> 00:31:17,653
and the Rastafari
faith was born.
513
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,921
To some people
God mean different things.
514
00:31:21,572 --> 00:31:22,911
Well, the first thing we know
515
00:31:22,972 --> 00:31:25,049
that the bible teaches
that God is a spirit.
516
00:31:26,004 --> 00:31:27,025
But this spirit,
517
00:31:27,322 --> 00:31:29,684
manifested himself,
518
00:31:30,164 --> 00:31:30,980
as a man.
519
00:31:31,134 --> 00:31:32,238
As a human being.
520
00:31:33,930 --> 00:31:36,871
Selassie was an Ethiopian
Orthodox Christian
521
00:31:37,577 --> 00:31:39,901
and never claimed to be divine.
522
00:31:40,764 --> 00:31:42,757
But when he set aside Shashamane
523
00:31:42,818 --> 00:31:44,832
as a homeland for
dispersed Africans,
524
00:31:44,893 --> 00:31:47,944
it bolstered his status as
a god for the Rastafari.
525
00:31:48,135 --> 00:31:49,754
He was the only African king
526
00:31:49,815 --> 00:31:51,323
who came and stretched
out his hand.
527
00:31:51,670 --> 00:31:52,209
Yeah.
528
00:31:52,270 --> 00:31:54,649
Gave us 500 acres of land.
529
00:31:54,709 --> 00:31:56,987
Yes, so I give
thanks for being here.
530
00:31:57,816 --> 00:31:59,172
Long live Marcus Garvey.
531
00:31:59,233 --> 00:32:02,043
Long live the spirit of
Rastafari and repatriation
532
00:32:02,643 --> 00:32:03,770
to the homeland,
533
00:32:04,650 --> 00:32:07,601
with my God and my King
beside me, you know.
534
00:32:10,794 --> 00:32:13,254
People of many faiths
yearn to reach out
535
00:32:13,315 --> 00:32:15,342
and touch the divine
here on Earth.
536
00:32:15,868 --> 00:32:18,975
But divinity does not only
manifest in human form.
537
00:32:19,908 --> 00:32:22,957
Catholics believe they can
still make contact with Jesus
538
00:32:23,365 --> 00:32:25,401
through the objects
he left behind.
539
00:32:41,498 --> 00:32:45,332
I've come to Paris to visit one
of the most famous cathedrals
540
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:48,483
in the entire world.
541
00:32:53,996 --> 00:32:55,062
Notre Dame.
542
00:33:05,951 --> 00:33:09,368
More than 13 million people
come here every year.
543
00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:13,813
Yet only a fraction of them
knows that these vaulted ceilings
544
00:33:14,369 --> 00:33:16,288
house one of the most precious
545
00:33:16,551 --> 00:33:18,225
and closely guarded relics
546
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:20,145
in all Christendom.
547
00:33:23,487 --> 00:33:25,277
The Crown of Thorns.
548
00:33:27,379 --> 00:33:30,780
I've been granted special access
to see the crown up-close,
549
00:33:31,243 --> 00:33:35,335
and learn more about what the
faithful see in this sacred object.
550
00:33:36,995 --> 00:33:39,160
Father Denis Dupont-Fauville
551
00:33:39,467 --> 00:33:41,167
is one of its curators.
552
00:33:42,830 --> 00:33:43,526
This...
553
00:33:45,402 --> 00:33:46,196
this is it?
554
00:33:46,786 --> 00:33:47,553
This is it.
555
00:33:47,660 --> 00:33:50,202
This is very rare to
show it like that.
556
00:33:52,623 --> 00:33:56,119
It's been the prized possession
of the Catholic Church in France
557
00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:58,290
for almost 800 years.
558
00:34:00,134 --> 00:34:02,471
Of course, if it's
the genuine article,
559
00:34:02,784 --> 00:34:04,457
it's far older than that.
560
00:34:05,959 --> 00:34:09,443
The crown which is made of
reeds, of herbs, of weeds...
561
00:34:09,504 --> 00:34:09,989
Mm-mm.
562
00:34:10,109 --> 00:34:13,084
And they put it in this...
563
00:34:13,860 --> 00:34:15,975
circle of glass, actually,
564
00:34:16,346 --> 00:34:18,025
with gold around there.
565
00:34:18,335 --> 00:34:21,254
And they added a few gold wires
566
00:34:21,315 --> 00:34:22,417
to maintain it.
567
00:34:22,477 --> 00:34:26,065
Oh, then the actual
reeds are held together now...
568
00:34:26,126 --> 00:34:27,698
Yes. With these
little gold wires.
569
00:34:27,758 --> 00:34:31,195
Yes, and then they put this
glass thing and the sealed it
570
00:34:31,945 --> 00:34:35,285
just to preserve it from air,
from pollution, from contact.
571
00:34:35,852 --> 00:34:39,657
But what we call the crown
of thorns was actually...
572
00:34:40,353 --> 00:34:42,271
sort of a helmet of thorns.
573
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,402
And so they, on this circle they
574
00:34:45,778 --> 00:34:47,689
made a helmet with the thorns
575
00:34:48,095 --> 00:34:49,755
and then they set
it on the head.
576
00:34:49,815 --> 00:34:52,182
That was really horrible.
577
00:34:54,995 --> 00:34:56,049
The gospels say
578
00:34:56,110 --> 00:34:59,445
that when Jesus was carrying
his cross to Golgotha,
579
00:35:00,082 --> 00:35:03,533
Roman soldiers mocked him
as the 'King of the Jews'
580
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,194
and placed a crown of thorns
581
00:35:06,566 --> 00:35:07,577
on his head.
582
00:35:08,954 --> 00:35:10,215
I have this question for you.
583
00:35:10,276 --> 00:35:13,231
Yes. France, that's a
long way from Golgotha.
584
00:35:13,292 --> 00:35:15,139
Yes, that's a long story.
585
00:35:15,220 --> 00:35:17,879
So Helen, who was the
mother of the Emperor,
586
00:35:18,129 --> 00:35:21,183
took it from Jerusalem to
Constantinople in the 4th Century.
587
00:35:22,342 --> 00:35:24,860
The Roman Emperor
Constantine's mother
588
00:35:25,121 --> 00:35:26,848
had converted to Christianity,
589
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,548
and claimed the
crown as a key symbol
590
00:35:30,609 --> 00:35:32,700
of Jesus's suffering
on the cross.
591
00:35:35,067 --> 00:35:37,449
And then nearly 1000 years
592
00:35:37,556 --> 00:35:40,132
the crown stayed
in Constantinople.
593
00:35:40,486 --> 00:35:41,875
Then there was the war,
594
00:35:41,936 --> 00:35:44,723
but the Emperor had no
money to pay the army.
595
00:35:44,973 --> 00:35:46,793
So, to get the
money for his army,
596
00:35:47,723 --> 00:35:50,370
he put the crown
in loan in Venice.
597
00:35:50,582 --> 00:35:51,749
They swapped it.
598
00:35:52,050 --> 00:35:53,530
He loaned the crown.
599
00:35:53,844 --> 00:35:55,826
And when the King of
France learned that,
600
00:35:56,084 --> 00:35:57,961
King Louis, he say,
'It's a shame.'
601
00:35:58,182 --> 00:36:00,556
So, I give the
money for the army,
602
00:36:00,939 --> 00:36:04,398
and I get the crown in a
safe place, that's France.'
603
00:36:04,578 --> 00:36:05,346
Okay.
604
00:36:05,561 --> 00:36:10,623
So in 1239 it arrived in France.
605
00:36:10,756 --> 00:36:11,229
Uh-huh.
606
00:36:11,444 --> 00:36:14,959
And when King Louis welcomed
this crown in Paris,
607
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:17,889
he went out of the
city with bare feet,
608
00:36:18,374 --> 00:36:19,821
only a shirt on him,
609
00:36:20,327 --> 00:36:23,453
and he said, 'Well, I'm the
most powerful king on earth,
610
00:36:23,982 --> 00:36:26,729
but I'm nothing in
comparison to the true King.
611
00:36:27,292 --> 00:36:28,687
'My crown is of gold,
612
00:36:29,081 --> 00:36:32,150
but his crown is the true one.
It was made of thorns.'
613
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:35,150
So it was very, very
moving from this man
614
00:36:35,211 --> 00:36:37,181
who was the most powerful
on earth at the time.
615
00:36:37,869 --> 00:36:38,682
You know...
616
00:36:38,743 --> 00:36:43,006
And the money he gave was one
full year of France's budget.
617
00:36:43,724 --> 00:36:45,664
You can imagine
it was tremendous.
618
00:36:45,725 --> 00:36:46,872
Quite a bit of money.
619
00:36:47,786 --> 00:36:49,758
So, the amount that was paid,
620
00:36:50,134 --> 00:36:53,439
probably opened the doorway
for a lot of fake stuff.
621
00:36:53,699 --> 00:36:59,246
Well, you can never be sure
100% they are the true ones.
622
00:36:59,496 --> 00:37:01,877
But in this case,
623
00:37:02,124 --> 00:37:04,765
it was analysed a little
bit a few years ago,
624
00:37:05,141 --> 00:37:06,753
so, we are certain
625
00:37:07,343 --> 00:37:11,906
that is the actual crown
which was shown to Helen.
626
00:37:12,359 --> 00:37:15,327
So if there is one in
the world, it's this one.
627
00:37:16,343 --> 00:37:17,651
I know you said that
628
00:37:18,705 --> 00:37:22,412
if there is a crown
of thorns, this is it.
629
00:37:22,529 --> 00:37:23,141
Yes.
630
00:37:23,989 --> 00:37:25,594
But what if it's not it?
631
00:37:27,472 --> 00:37:30,949
Well if it really touched
Christ of course it is obvious,
632
00:37:31,308 --> 00:37:33,276
but even if it's
not the true one,
633
00:37:33,786 --> 00:37:38,469
it's a way of remembering,
okay he really was on earth.
634
00:37:38,530 --> 00:37:39,713
He was a true man.
635
00:37:39,774 --> 00:37:41,061
He could bear that,
636
00:37:41,504 --> 00:37:43,284
he could have that
on his very head.
637
00:37:43,780 --> 00:37:46,908
And this is no story,
this is not a tale
638
00:37:46,969 --> 00:37:48,764
or a symbol or an abstraction.
639
00:37:48,959 --> 00:37:50,176
This is history.
640
00:37:50,237 --> 00:37:52,506
This is concrete,
we can touch it.
641
00:37:53,557 --> 00:37:54,275
You know.
642
00:37:54,689 --> 00:37:55,399
Got you.
643
00:38:03,077 --> 00:38:04,951
Today is the first
Friday of the month,
644
00:38:06,033 --> 00:38:08,341
when the crown is put
on public display.
645
00:38:13,963 --> 00:38:17,007
People from all over the
world come to attend mass
646
00:38:18,041 --> 00:38:19,517
and get close to the relic.
647
00:38:24,031 --> 00:38:25,304
By so doing,
648
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,957
they believe they are
getting closer to Jesus.
649
00:38:40,610 --> 00:38:43,736
People come there
with their sufferings,
650
00:38:44,277 --> 00:38:45,389
with their hopes.
651
00:38:47,361 --> 00:38:50,851
And they come to this crown,
they come to Christ actually;
652
00:38:52,184 --> 00:38:54,831
and say, 'Okay, you
suffered, you hoped.
653
00:38:56,258 --> 00:38:59,247
I suffer, I hope.
I want to join with you.'
654
00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:01,710
So that's very, very deep.
655
00:39:02,714 --> 00:39:05,279
Simple in a way but
very, very moving.
656
00:39:16,528 --> 00:39:19,445
Holy relics are symbols of
the divine here on earth.
657
00:39:21,289 --> 00:39:25,471
As such, they can and do fall
under the control of people
658
00:39:25,558 --> 00:39:28,749
who would use them
for earthly power.
659
00:39:30,863 --> 00:39:33,822
But for those who are
seeking spiritual strength,
660
00:39:34,924 --> 00:39:37,729
relics act as a beacon,
661
00:39:39,103 --> 00:39:41,337
a beacon of faith,
that guide them
662
00:39:42,026 --> 00:39:43,764
through the distractions
663
00:39:44,309 --> 00:39:45,882
of this mortal realm
664
00:39:46,518 --> 00:39:47,488
to a more
665
00:39:49,179 --> 00:39:51,282
direct connection with God.
666
00:39:56,490 --> 00:39:59,631
Religions often form around
divinely inspired figures,
667
00:40:01,092 --> 00:40:04,474
Moses, Mohammed, The Buddha.
668
00:40:05,392 --> 00:40:07,778
Most people are only
aware of one faith
669
00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:09,679
where God took human form,
670
00:40:10,006 --> 00:40:10,756
Christianity.
671
00:40:12,517 --> 00:40:13,661
But there is another.
672
00:40:14,829 --> 00:40:16,916
This divine person
may be the key
673
00:40:16,977 --> 00:40:20,067
to understanding the
power of Gods on earth.
674
00:40:30,702 --> 00:40:31,775
I've come to London
675
00:40:33,618 --> 00:40:36,447
to visit the Shri
Swaminarayan Temple.
676
00:40:43,676 --> 00:40:47,370
It's dedicated to the Swaminarayan
sect of the Hindu faith.
677
00:40:53,445 --> 00:40:54,706
I've been granted an audience
678
00:40:54,767 --> 00:40:57,287
with one of the senior
spiritual leaders of the group...
679
00:40:57,894 --> 00:41:00,055
Thank you for having this
conversation with me.
680
00:41:00,668 --> 00:41:02,567
Sadhu Paramtattvadas.
681
00:41:03,526 --> 00:41:06,187
He and millions of
his fellow devotees
682
00:41:06,248 --> 00:41:09,520
believe that the
supreme god of Hinduism,
683
00:41:09,714 --> 00:41:10,525
Brahman,
684
00:41:10,803 --> 00:41:14,259
came to earth as a human,
just over 200 years ago.
685
00:41:17,612 --> 00:41:19,138
Tell me the story
of God on Earth,
686
00:41:19,950 --> 00:41:21,093
the Hindu God on Earth.
687
00:41:21,368 --> 00:41:24,202
For me, I mean
there are many gods.
688
00:41:24,371 --> 00:41:25,692
I thought there was one?
689
00:41:25,866 --> 00:41:27,462
There is one supreme entity.
690
00:41:28,420 --> 00:41:31,078
And that entity
can take many forms.
691
00:41:31,354 --> 00:41:34,273
So for me, as a, as a monk,
692
00:41:34,381 --> 00:41:36,328
that would be
Bhagwan Swaminarayan.
693
00:41:36,675 --> 00:41:40,763
For me, he is the
supreme, ultimate entity.
694
00:41:41,088 --> 00:41:43,262
For me, he is god.
695
00:41:43,811 --> 00:41:45,862
Swaminarayan Hindus believe
696
00:41:45,923 --> 00:41:48,198
that God was born in human form
697
00:41:48,259 --> 00:41:50,757
in the Indian state
of Uttar Pradesh,
698
00:41:51,137 --> 00:41:53,112
in 1781.
699
00:41:53,721 --> 00:41:57,238
He manifested on earth,
as a normal human being,
700
00:41:57,587 --> 00:41:59,753
through a mother and a father,
701
00:42:00,072 --> 00:42:01,922
to dispel the
darkness of ignorance,
702
00:42:01,983 --> 00:42:04,277
to help elevate humankind,
703
00:42:04,757 --> 00:42:06,762
to a higher moral level.
704
00:42:08,611 --> 00:42:11,102
At the age of 11, after
his parents passed away,
705
00:42:12,904 --> 00:42:13,714
alone,
706
00:42:14,553 --> 00:42:15,314
barefooted,
707
00:42:16,023 --> 00:42:16,923
open-chested,
708
00:42:17,698 --> 00:42:21,772
with nothing except a
utensil to drink from,
709
00:42:21,934 --> 00:42:22,987
a small scripture,
710
00:42:23,413 --> 00:42:24,342
and a loincloth.
711
00:42:26,495 --> 00:42:27,846
Chose this journey
712
00:42:28,024 --> 00:42:29,592
of travelling across India,
713
00:42:30,689 --> 00:42:33,243
and he travelled
12,000 kilometres,
714
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,150
including spending three
years across the Himalayas,
715
00:42:36,211 --> 00:42:38,186
alone through jungles,
716
00:42:39,072 --> 00:42:42,726
across mountains, treacherous,
climates and conditions.
717
00:42:47,243 --> 00:42:48,252
As he travelled,
718
00:42:48,736 --> 00:42:52,132
stories of his power and
divinity began to spread.
719
00:42:54,659 --> 00:42:57,468
In one such tale, he
arrived at a village
720
00:42:57,529 --> 00:42:59,862
that was being
terrorized by a lion.
721
00:43:00,421 --> 00:43:02,605
The village priest
warned him away,
722
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,909
but Swaminarayan refused to go.
723
00:43:06,589 --> 00:43:10,059
That night he
faced down the lion.
724
00:43:11,834 --> 00:43:13,097
When the village awoke,
725
00:43:13,417 --> 00:43:15,984
the lion looked
more like a lamb.
726
00:43:16,955 --> 00:43:19,780
Calmly lying at
the Swami's feet.
727
00:43:21,364 --> 00:43:22,825
The villagers knew then
728
00:43:23,148 --> 00:43:26,241
that this young man
was no ordinary human.
729
00:43:30,311 --> 00:43:32,356
He spent seven years
along this journey,
730
00:43:32,773 --> 00:43:35,345
to see the religious
landscape of India,
731
00:43:35,413 --> 00:43:38,115
and see where he
could find those...
732
00:43:38,814 --> 00:43:41,398
souls that he wanted
to bring to perfection.
733
00:43:41,795 --> 00:43:42,974
The 11-year-old...
734
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,824
who walked the length
and breadth of India,
735
00:43:47,214 --> 00:43:49,355
and became supreme.
736
00:43:50,333 --> 00:43:51,490
-No.
-No.
737
00:43:51,551 --> 00:43:54,181
He was eternally
supreme, he is God.
738
00:43:55,712 --> 00:43:57,853
He doesn't become
God, he was God.
739
00:43:57,914 --> 00:43:59,709
And is God and
always will be God.
740
00:44:00,003 --> 00:44:00,896
Always was?
741
00:44:01,061 --> 00:44:02,623
Always was, and always will be.
742
00:44:02,776 --> 00:44:06,683
That's the, the very essence of
having eternal supreme entity.
743
00:44:07,254 --> 00:44:10,408
Just as Jesus was God on earth,
744
00:44:10,701 --> 00:44:12,944
Bhagwan Swaminarayan
was God on earth.
745
00:44:15,635 --> 00:44:17,440
Because he grew up
as a normal child,
746
00:44:17,501 --> 00:44:19,831
but there were still miracles
happening all around him.
747
00:44:20,678 --> 00:44:22,046
He was bringing things to life,
748
00:44:22,157 --> 00:44:24,357
he was protecting people,
saving people
749
00:44:24,778 --> 00:44:28,019
throughout his life there
were lots of miracles.
750
00:44:30,262 --> 00:44:31,883
But in our traditions,
751
00:44:32,243 --> 00:44:35,339
the miracles don't have as
much spiritual importance.
752
00:44:37,331 --> 00:44:38,255
They don't...
753
00:44:38,711 --> 00:44:40,202
prove him as God.
754
00:44:41,334 --> 00:44:42,055
He is.
755
00:44:42,683 --> 00:44:46,164
How is the human
condition helped
756
00:44:46,445 --> 00:44:48,375
by a God...
757
00:44:49,565 --> 00:44:51,027
being here among us?
758
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,653
Is God not powerful enough
759
00:44:54,127 --> 00:44:57,193
to exact his power from heaven?
760
00:44:57,910 --> 00:45:01,676
Bhagwan Swaminarayan explains
that his manifestation,
761
00:45:02,009 --> 00:45:03,315
taking on a human form,
762
00:45:03,904 --> 00:45:06,022
was to help countless souls
763
00:45:06,542 --> 00:45:07,928
eradicate their ignorance,
764
00:45:08,533 --> 00:45:10,914
and elevate them to
spiritual perfection.
765
00:45:13,131 --> 00:45:16,031
I'm... I'm trying
my best to absorb.
766
00:45:16,561 --> 00:45:18,342
So what you're
saying, basically,
767
00:45:18,403 --> 00:45:20,096
it's a way of
leading by example.
768
00:45:21,066 --> 00:45:24,104
Yes, I think
it's immensely powerful.
769
00:45:24,849 --> 00:45:27,183
What if Jesus was
present on earth now?
770
00:45:30,003 --> 00:45:30,844
Amongst us.
771
00:45:32,021 --> 00:45:32,785
Rather than...
772
00:45:33,455 --> 00:45:35,744
interpreting scriptures
in different ways,
773
00:45:35,805 --> 00:45:37,531
we have a person
who's speaking to us.
774
00:45:38,258 --> 00:45:41,015
It's a much more
direct relationship.
775
00:45:41,837 --> 00:45:43,746
What more powerful,
776
00:45:44,109 --> 00:45:47,787
and direct form of revelation
could there be than God himself
777
00:45:48,263 --> 00:45:50,410
appearing on earth and saying,
778
00:45:51,470 --> 00:45:52,163
here I am.
779
00:46:22,580 --> 00:46:23,745
It seems to me,
780
00:46:25,008 --> 00:46:27,457
we yearn for God to
walk among us because,
781
00:46:27,518 --> 00:46:31,136
we need a living example of
what it means to be divine.
782
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A God in human form can show
us the way through hard times.
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Help us make tough choices.
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Show us how to love and
respect one another,
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when it seems the
hardest thing to do.
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Just because we are mortal,
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doesn't mean we can't
strive to live as God would.
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