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[crowd clamoring]

[reporter 1] Right now, I would
say there's about 500 people

standing around, and they have
strange looks on their faces.

It's a look of... I don't
know, it's hard to describe.

They seem to be in a daze.

They just can't believe
John Lennon is dead.

[reporter 2] It was a somber crowd.
They had not come to socialize.

They'd come to mourn.

John Lennon's wife, Yoko Ono, had
asked that the singer's death...

[interviewee] In the
morning after John died,

I went through the gate,

and there was a
police yellow tape

around the driveway area.

And there was broken
glass on the ground.

And John's blood on
the, uh, sidewalk,

and I had to step over
that to enter the building.

Yoko was barely there.

She stared at the television for a
while, although the sound was off.

It was only showing one thing
over and over and over again.

We heard the singing from downstairs,
although we were on the top floor.

We heard it very, very clearly.

And then she looked at me and
said, "Why would that man do that?"

Yes. Uh, I'm the chief of
detectives, James T. Sullivan,

New York City Police Department.

We asked you to
come here to, uh,

give you a briefing on
what we know at this point

and what has... [stammers]
occurred at this point

regarding the homicide
of John Lennon.

We have arrested
Mark David Chapman

of 55 South Kukui...
K-U-K-U-I... Street,

Hawaii, for the
homicide of John Lennon.

[journalist 1] Does he have a
history of psychiatric care?

[Sullivan] We don't
know that at this point.

[journalist 2] How did he
behave? Did he appear rational?

- He behaved very calmly.
- [journalist 3] Could you tell us where...

- [journalist 2] But was rational?
- Mr. Lennon was shot, please?

Uh, there were th... He was
shot three ti... Well, no.

I can't say that he was shot.

That will be determined
by the medical examiner.

But there are seven...
[stammers] ...wounds.

And they can be entries
and exits, though.

[journalist 4] How
many shots was fired?

The gun was empty.
Five... Five shots.

[journalist 5] Did he give
any reason? Any motive?

No.

- [officer 1] Okay. Thank you.
- Thank you.

[Sutherland] The world's
media have descended

on the New York Police
Department's 20th Precinct.

They're desperate to
know more about the man

who has just
assassinated John Lennon.

[journalist 6] Where had they
been? Did they act together?

Thank you, everyone.

[Sutherland] They're
allowed to roam around,

interviewing police
dealing with the case.

Can I get... Just let me
get this paperwork done.

[NYPD officer] At the
precinct... [stammers]

I was surrounded by reporters
'cause everybody wanted to know.

[journalist 7] How
many times was he shot?

[journalist 8] Was
he unconscious?

He was, uh... As far as I
know, he was unconscious.

[journalist 9] Was he moaning,
saying anything at all?

- No.
- And how about Yoko?

She was hysterical. Hmm. Yeah.

It would be somebody from
England, somebody from Germany,

I mean, just wanting to
talk to me, you know, and...

This was such a major case that
was heard around the world,

and everybody wanted to know.

What do we know about
the suspect upstairs?

- What're you being told?
- I know nothing, man.

[journalist 10] Where was he
when you... when you got there?

- He was already in custody.
- [journalist 11] Who's he being held by?

He was being held by
Police Officer Spiro.

[journalists clamoring]

[journalist 12] Have you got
a description of the suspect,

like a general description?

[Palma] When I was assigned to guard,
uh, Chapman at the detectives office,

it was... [stutters]
...shocking, you know,

to be sitting there with this...
this guy who just killed John Lennon.

And at first, he was very calm,

but then he started to get
nervous, and he started shaking.

And the detective came in and said, "We
notified your wife in Hawaii that..."

Then he really got... he
really got upset and nervous.

And he said, "I have
to go to the bathroom."

I said, "Okay, I'll take
you, uh, to the bathroom."

I took him to the bathroom.

And while I was in
there, I said to him,

"Do you realize what
you've done here?"

He says, "Yes. I-I killed
myself. I'm John Lennon."

And I... [sighs] I just looked
at him. I-I felt like, you know,

I wanted to throw him out the
window, you know, but... [sighs]

[people clamoring]

[Sutherland] The police take an
initial statement from Chapman.

He's then allowed to
speak to his wife.

[phone line ringing]

- [Spiro] Hello, Gloria?
- [Gloria] Yes.

[Spiro] Yeah. This is
Police Officer Spiro.

- [Gloria] Yes.
- [Spiro] I'm here with your husband.

- [Gloria] Uh-huh. Is he...
- [Spiro] He just wanted me

to get you on the phone first
to tell you that he's all right.

- [Gloria] Uh-huh.
- [Spiro] He's gonna talk to you now.

[Sutherland] Their phone conversation
is recorded in case Chapman

reveals any key information.

- [Chapman] Hi.
- [Gloria] Hi, Mark.

[Chapman] Are the
police with you?

[Gloria] No. [chuckles] First
call I got was a reporter.

[Chapman] Well, I don't want
to talk to anybody else.

[Gloria] I know, but you don't
want me to go there then?

- [Chapman] Where?
- [Gloria] To New York.

[Chapman] No. No. No.
Just stay where you are.

[Gloria] Has it hit you yet,
what you've really done?

[Gloria] Okay. I love you though.
[sobs] I always will love you.

[Chapman] I love
you too. Love you.

[Gloria] Okay. Bye.

[phone disconnects]

[Hoffman] The problem was not,
"Did we have the right man?"

We did have the killer.

We were very positive about
that, but we just wanted to close

every possibility that he
had no help or anything.

I wanted to get all the
possible witnesses and anybody

that saw anything together
before they disappeared.

[Sutherland] Taxi
driver Richard Peterson

steps forward as
a crucial witness.

When I got to the police
station, it was a madhouse.

A madhouse.

The press had begun to...
[stutters] ...assemble.

It was a big deal.

They questioned me, and I
told them exactly what I saw.

But they made me repeat
it a thousand times

because it's the weirdest thing.

After he shot him,

Chapman was still standing
there with the gun.

And he dropped the gun,
took off his overcoat,

and pulled out that
book and held it up.

Catcher on the Rye.

[Sutherland] This bizarre
behavior is corroborated

by one of the first police
officers at the scene.

One of the unusual things was
when Chapman was apprehended,

he was not trying to flee,
but he was reading a book.

I go back to, uh, you know,
the maybe minute or two

that he had to run into
the park and disappear,

get on a plane and
go back to Hawaii.

And who would know?

[Sutherland] After questioning, the
police charge Chapman with murder.

[journalists clamoring]

[Cullen] When they took him
out of the station house,

down to court, it was
decided that if...

Somebody may want to
take a shot at this guy.

So, let's do a decoy.

Now we had to get a volunteer who
was gonna be the decoy. [chuckles]

Some guy who didn't care
about life too much.

I don't know who it was.
And that's what happened.

The picture you see of Steve taking
him out is not him. [chuckles]

He went out another door and then
in a patrol wagon down to court.

[Sutherland] While he is
taken to court to be charged,

journalists from
around the world begin

the process of finding
out who Mark Chapman is.

As Beatles fans held
their own private vigils,

the same question was
on everyone's lips:

Why would anyone want
to kill John Lennon?

The suspect is identified as
Mark David Chapman, 25 years old.

[reporter 3] Mark David Chapman, an
unemployed security guard from Honolulu.

[reporter 4] Mark David Chapman,

identified as a freelance
photographer from Honolulu, Hawaii.

[reporter 5] Well, we know
Chapman worked as a housekeeper

and printer at the Castle
Memorial Hospital...

picture. Every time a
new fact comes into view,

the picture of Mark
David Chapman changes.

You see, the whole world
knows who John Lennon was,

and now we're trying
to get our grips...

We're trying to get a picture
of his alleged killer,

perhaps to make some
sense of it, if any.

[Sutherland] Police discover,
the night before the murder,

Chapman stayed at
the Sheraton Hotel.

[Sutherland] They ask a judge for
a warrant to search his hotel room.

And detectives
arrive at the scene.

[elevator dings]

[Hoffman] After
arresting the subject,

we went to the hotel room
and got permission to enter.

We found, on the dresser,
pictures and certain...

and personal
possessions of Chapman.

Obviously, for us to find.

"The defendant had laid the
following items on the table:

his passport, an 8-track tape
of the music of Todd Rundgren,

a Bible open to the
gospel according to John.

At the center of the
arrangement of personal effects,

he had placed a small
Wizard of Oz poster."

"A letter from a former YMC
supervisor at Fort Chaffee,

where he had worked with
Vietnamese refugees."

He was... Always seemed to
be working with children,

or people that needed help.

[Sutherland] For some,
the items left by Chapman

prove the murder
was premeditated.

Not only had he
planned the killing,

but he'd also anticipated
the police investigation.

For Chapman's defense
team, however,

the display is clear
evidence of his insanity.

[reporter 5] Another part of the picture
comes from Mark Chapman's lawyer,

Herbert Adlerberg, who
convinced the court

to put Chapman under
psychiatric observation.

He seems confused.

He seems, uh, at least in my
opinion, unable to fully cooperate

with his attorney at
this point. And, uh...

In what way?

Well, his answers are not responsive
to the questions that I pose to him,

specifically the questions
dealing with the incident itself.

Uh, and I thought that
it would be advisable

to have him examined psychiatrically
before any further proceedings occurred.

[Sutherland] Chapman is
taken to Bellevue Hospital

prison ward for evaluation.

Assistant Commissioner Ed
Hershey awaits his arrival.

[Hershey] I was at Bellevue
when he was brought in.

[people chattering]

[Hershey] And I actually went
up in the elevator to the floor

that our jail complex was

with him and the officer
who was escorting him.

And we were inches apart.

I said to him, "You
okay?" And he nodded.

I remember thinking
how ordinary he looked.

There was nothing particularly
distinguishable about him.

And I was trying
to think of stuff

because I had to go tell
the reporters what I'd seen.

He almost looked at peace.

Boy, he did not betray
any emotion at all.

This is the prison unit of Bellevue
Hospital where Mark Chapman,

the alleged killer of
former Beatle, John Lennon,

is being held on a second-floor cell
amidst extraordinary security precautions

by the Department
of Corrections.

[Sutherland] Chapman is now in the
hands of psychiatric professionals,

and Dr. Naomi Goldstein assesses his
sanity and ability to stand trial.

She's never spoken publicly
about her findings before.

They send him in,
and he walks in.

And I say, "Hi, I'm Dr. Goldstein.
Would you have a seat here?"

I wanted to know what
happened and how he got there.

And we talked for quite
a while, if I recall.

He showed so many
different facades.

He could be nasty. He could
be sweet. He-He was difficult.

He was... [stammers] ...trying
to avoid giving straight answers,

so it was a puzzle.

"Speech coherent,
relevant and logical.

Very anxious, hyperventilating
and exhausted,

but cooperative, appropriate
and in good contact."

Meaning he's talking to me.

[crowd singing "Give
Peace A Chance"]

[Mintz] When I was in the
old bedroom with Yoko,

we heard John's songs being
sung by thousands of people.

[singing "Give Peace
A Chance" continues]

[singing "Give Peace
A Chance" continues]

Ringo was the first to call
and to physically show up.

[stammers] John loved Ringo. Spoke
about him all the time, glowingly.

[Ringo Starr] I went
into the Dakota.

I said to Yoko, "I
know how you feel."

And the woman,
straight as a die,

she said, "No, you don't."

Because no matter how
close I was to him,

I was not half as close
as she was to him.

[Starr] And there were people,
while we were there, shouting up,

you know, to Yoko, "Come
to the window." Or Sean.

Uh. Where... I mean, in fact,
it would have been better

if they'd all left her alone because
they're not gonna bring him back.

And they didn't help her by
having this whole crowd outside,

uh, playing his music.

[shouting, clamoring]

[Starr] And then
when we came out,

I didn't need to hear people telling
me how much they loved the Beatles

or any of that when
we'd just lost John.

'Cause I wasn't there
to see a Beatle.

I was there to see my friend
not relating to this band.

[Mintz] This is what Yoko
wrote on December 9, 1980.

"There is no funeral for John.

Later in the week, we will set a time
for a silent vigil to pray for his soul."

With John... [stammers]
he was to be cremated

and his remains, to this day,
remains in an undisclosed place.

[Sutherland] Lennon's sudden
murder without any apparent motive

leaves those closest to
him desperate for answers.

[Mintz] I've never
expressed this before.

One of the things
that Yoko asked me

was to look into the
various theories,

the conspiracy theories, uh,
after... [stammers] ...John's murder.

[Sutherland] Some believed hidden
forces might be behind Lennon's murder.

In the 1970s, he was an outspoken
figure in American political life,

mobilizing his huge following
against President Nixon

and the war in Vietnam.

[protestors shouting]

We're here to bring the boys home,
but let's not forget the machines.

Bring the machines home, and
then we'll really get somewhere.

The two of them were convinced
that the Dakota building,

their... their apartment
area, was being bugged.

There is no question

that the intelligence
agencies of this country,

be it CIA, FBI,
National Security,

a variety of others,
were doing that.

[Lennon] I know the difference
between the phone being normal

when I pick it up and when
every time I pick it up,

there's a lot of
noises, you know.

And I'd open the door and there'd be guys
standing on the other side of the street.

I'd get in the car, and
they'd be following me.

Suddenly I realized this
was serious, you know.

They were coming for me
one way or the other.

[Sutherland] John and Yoko's
paranoia was well-founded.

[reporter 6] These FBI
files, 26 pounds of them,

obtained by author Jon
Wiener clearly reveal Lennon

was considered a political threat
by the Nixon administration.

There are hundreds
and hundreds of pages

written to the director of
the FBI from Richard Nixon,

where it was determined
that John and Yoko

were to be followed, monitored,

and steps were taken on the
highest level of government...

to do something about
the Lennon problem.

Nobody's ever given
peace a complete chance.

Gandhi tried it and Martin Luther
King tried it, but they were shot.

[Sutherland] If a third party
was behind Lennon's death,

how might Mark Chapman
have been involved?

[reporter 7] MKUltra is the code
word for a secret CIA project

in which unsuspecting people were
used in mind control experiments.

[Sutherland] Dr. Milton Kline,
a world expert in hypnosis,

was a significant part of
the CIA's MKUltra program.

Most government agencies concerned
with intelligence operations

have been looking to
hypnosis as a tool

to execute certain
intelligence operations.

[Sutherland] Dr. Kline will later
visit Chapman during his incarceration

and become part of
his defense team.

[reporter 8] Documents clearly
show that the CIA was attempting

to develop agents over whom they
had as much control as possible.

It is the closest experimentation
to brainwashing yet disclosed.

[Sutherland] The CIA was fascinated
by the idea of mind control,

and some believed it had a role to
play in Robert Kennedy's assassination.

[gunshots]

[reporter 9] Sirhan
says he remembers

being at the hotel the
night of the killing.

He remembers pouring
coffee for a pretty girl,

and then he goes blank.

Sirhan remembered then walking
through an alcove filled with mirrors,

and he was dazed by the mirrors.

The defense believes they put him
into a form of hypnotic trance.

Sirhan remembered his first reaction
was to shake hands with Kennedy,

but then as the crowd rushed
at him, he pulled the gun.

[Sutherland] Chapman's unusual behavior
immediately after shooting Lennon

is a key concern for lead
detective Ron Hoffman.

[Hoffman] Was he alone?

Was somebody working
behind the lines with him?

Was it a conspiracy?

All these questions started running
through my mind and everybody else's mind.

We sent the team to Hawaii

to interview his current
friends and relatives.

We spoke to his family.

We spoke to everybody that
we could find that knew him.

He was very quiet most of the time,
and he was a very good worker.

Soft-spoken, quiet,
intelligent young man.

He, uh... Very intellectual.
Very level-headed

[reporter 10] In many ways, Chapman's
life remains a jumbled mosaic.

His friends are still trying
to put together the pieces,

are still wondering,

"Could the Mark Chapman they have
known here these last several years

really be the same man who now stands
accused of John Lennon's murder?"

[reporters speaking
indistinctly]

[Sutherland] Chapman
remains a puzzle,

and the world's media are as eager
as the police to understand him.

They soon track down one of those closest
to him in the hope of revealing more.

[reporter 11] A guard
was posted this afternoon

at the Chapmans'
21st-floor apartment.

Chapman's wife, the
former Gloria Abe,

is reported to be inside
with a woman friend,

declining to speak
with reporters.

We approached the door at
about 7:00 this morning

before the guard was
posted, and heard crying.

[attorney] She was so
overwhelmed by the media.

She needed legal help,
and she called me.

So, I thought the most effective way was
to get all the press together in one room,

let them ask as many questions as
they wanted to and be done with it.

[Gloria] Being a Beatles fan,

I mourn the death of John Lennon
and feel great sadness for his wife,

Yoko, and his son, Sean.

I just want to say that I'm just very,
very sorry that this had to happen to, uh,

Yoko Ono and-and her family,
and that her husband had to die.

[Hart] When I heard
her saying, you know,

"It's a great shame
that he had to die,"

I wasn't sure whether that was
Gloria's poor choice of words.

Because he didn't have to die if
Chapman didn't go and kill him.

I don't think it bespoke
of any foreknowledge

that he was going to die.

I don't think she had
accepted, at that point,

the reality that her
husband killed him.

Gloria did not do anything
or participate in any way

in this trip in a way in
which she did consciously

lend any support to,
uh, Mark's actions.

[Hart] She... [stutters] ...didn't
waiver much from that straightforward,

matter-of-fact presentation.

I would've expected more...
[stutters] ...emotion.

I think that's just
the way she is.

I'm a Christian, and I believe that
forgiveness is one of the greatest things.

I've always felt that I'm
a very forgiving person.

[Sutherland] Gloria answers
questions from the press,

but there are aspects of her relationship
with Chapman that are not disclosed.

[Hart] She told me that after
they married, Chapman, uh,

took to, uh, drinking and
even hit her several times.

And then, uh, you know, he would
be unkempt and kind of out of it.

And this caused her to have some
great doubt about his mental health.

[Sutherland] Back in New York,
psychiatrist Dr. Naomi Goldstein

has reached a conclusion regarding
Chapman's ability to stand trial.

Competency to stand trial
is defined as the ability

to understand the charges against him
and to cooperate in his own defense.

Nothing remotely
psychotic came out of him.

No evidence of
hallucinations or delusions.

Final assessment:
Fit to stand trial.

Step to the side, folks. Come on,
folks. Step to the side. Come on.

[Sutherland] With the trial
imminent, anti-Chapman sentiment

shifts the public mood
from grief to anger.

[journalist] Mr. Adlerberg, can
you tell us why you've resigned?

[Sutherland] It proves too
much for even his own lawyer.

Crackpot calls,
curiosity seekers.

My phones were tied up
constantly throughout the day.

I felt I couldn't really
represent this fellow

to the best of my ability
under those circumstances.

[officer 2] Walk
back. Walk back.

[Hershey] We had to make the
assumption that any number

of people would have
loved to get at him

because we had an individual
who had just shot a Beatle.

So we needed to find the most
secure place in our system,

and overnight it was
determined that that was

in an infirmary
on Rikers Island.

[reporter 12] Mark David Chapman
was moved from Bellevue Hospital

yesterday following an
avalanche of death threats.

[sirens wailing]

[Hershey] Rikers Island
Prison is in the East River,

reachable only by bridge,

and it is fairly remote considering
it's in the city of New York.

That isolation made it ideal
for somebody like Chapman.

[Sutherland] Amid the
growing hostility,

a young and relatively inexperienced
defense lawyer steps into the limelight.

[reporter 13] Thirty-seven-year-old
Jonathan Marks said he was

called this morning and asked
if he would take the case.

He told reporters he couldn't
think of a reason why not.

[journalist] The fact that a lot of
people are angry with, uh, Mr. Chapman...

the fact that you're
going to represent him...

how do you feel about that?

Well, I can't imagine that anybody
who feels anger for Mr. Chapman

would take that out on me.

I am simply a lawyer
representing a client.

[Sutherland] To assist with
the growing scale of the case,

Marks recruits a junior
lawyer, David Suggs.

[Suggs] In my view then and now,

there's really no higher
calling for a lawyer

than to defend an unpopular
criminal defendant.

But there was no question that, uh, you
know, you were feeling the pressure.

I'd been on a number of
high-profile cases before.

But as it turned out, this was
like a quantum leap... [chuckles]

beyond anything else
I had ever worked on.

[Sutherland] In
preparation for trial,

Chapman's defense team start
visiting him in prison.

[Marks] It is Sunday

and I'm at Rikers Island

to see Mark Chapman.

[Sutherland] They now record every
conversation they have with him.

[Marks] I'm truly happy

to be representing you.

[Sutherland] These conversations have
never been heard publicly before.

[Chapman] Do you
promise that, uh...

I'll just ask this once
and I won't ask it again.

Uh, you'll stick
this out with me?

[Marks] I promise.

And you can ask that as
many times as you like.

It was weird because you
could talk to him at times

and he would seem pretty normal.

And then wham!

Out of his mouth in the next
instant would come something

that was just so out
of left field, uh,

you know, you realize,
"Oh, yeah, he's crazy."

[Marks] So, tell
me what happened.

[Chapman] Well, this is
kind of a crazy thought.

I thought I would turn into
somebody if I killed somebody.

[Marks] What did you
think you'd turn into?

[Chapman] You know the book
The Catcher in the Rye?

- [Marks] Yeah. Yes.
- I had that book on me, you know?

I thought that I would turn
into the character of the book.

Now, I realize that-that...

[Marks] What'd you
think you'd turn into?

[Chapman] Holden Caulfield.

He thought he was going to turn
literally into Holden Caulfield,

the character in the book
The Catcher in the Rye.

He was gonna change from, you
know... [stammers] ...a pretty stout,

uh, young man into a t-tall,
uh, slender, uh, teenager.

He was not rational.

This was not a whodunit.
Clearly, he shot Lennon.

He made no attempt to escape.

The question was going to be,

"What was his mental state at
the time he committed the act?"

You know, our intent was to prove to
the jury that this man was, in fact,

insane, uh, and warranted,
uh... as a result of that... uh,

psychiatric care, um,
as opposed to, you know,

punishment in a,
uh... in a prison.

[Sutherland] The prosecution, however,
don't accept Chapman's insanity defense.

Now, if someone were suffering
from a mental disease so severe

that they picked up a gun and
thought that it was a banana,

uh, that would be one... one pathway
to establish an insanity defense.

But in our view, he didn't
have a mental disease.

He knew what he was doing, he had a gun,
he used it for its intended purpose.

And-And he knew what
he was doing was wrong

because after the murder, he
waited for the police to arrive.

[journalist 1] And what will
your psychiatrist examine?

- When will they be examining him?
- [journalist 1] What and why.

And what for?

They're going to be looking into his
state of mind at the time of the act.

[Sutherland] Chapman's lead
lawyer, Jonathan Marks,

now reveals a controversial
appointment to his team.

I've chosen, uh, the
best I could find.

[journalist 2] Can you
tell us who they are?

[journalist 3] Isn't Milton
Kline a, uh, hypnotist?

Uh, Milton Kline is a
clinical psychologist, uh,

and he does use hypnosis
as a diagnostic tool.

[Sutherland] He's hired
the former consultant

to the CIA's mind control
program, Dr. Milton Kline.

You could train them to use
firearms indiscriminately.

You could train them to shoot people
with very little feeling or thought,

with no hesitancy,
with no concern.

[Marks] Mark, this
is Dr. Milton Kline.

[Kline] How are you,
Mark? Good to meet you.

[Sutherland] If there are any
hidden aspects to the murder,

Dr. Kline hopes to
reveal them via hypnosis.

[Kline] What I'd
like you to do, Mark,

is just focus your
eyes up on the ceiling.

Just begin to close the
eyelids down gently.

Let the whole body
begin to relax now,

from the top of the head all the
way back to the tips of the toes.

And feel yourself growing
deeper and deeper relaxed now.

Deeper and deeper and deeper.

[Chapman] I'm in a very
weird state right now.

I feel very relaxed.

- [Kline] It has that effect, doesn't it?
- [Chapman] Mm-hmm.

[Kline] Try to visualize that
scene for me if you would.

- [Chapman] The death scene?
- Yeah.

[Chapman] Okay. I was sitting
down and a car pulled up.

And I knew it was his,
so I said, "This is it."

The door opened up. Yoko got
out, and I nodded to her.

And then he came out.

I looked at John
when he went by.

And then I stepped out
off that little curb area,

walked about six feet,
turned and faced him,

took the gun out of my pocket

and aimed it at him,

and then just fired away.

All five shots.

And then they took me away,
and that's when I said,

"I'm the Catcher in the Rye."

[Kline] Do you remember how you
were feeling? Just the feeling.

[Chapman] It just felt like
it wasn't me, but it was me.

I did it, and I
remember doing it.

[Kline] And what part of
your mind made the decision?

[Chapman] Oh, I see a struggle.

Part of me didn't want
to, part of me did.

All I remember is-is I
had a voice in my head

that said, "Do it, do it, do it, do
it," right when he was going past me.

And I did it.

[reporter 14] And now we will have
ten minutes of silent prayer to pray,

as Yoko Ono has asked,

- for John Lennon's soul.
- Ladies and gentlemen...

Please turn off all radios.

Please stop any sale or
vending of any merchandise.

Meditate in your quiet
way. We start now.

May we all pray. Thank you.

[Sutherland] As Chapman
prepares for trial,

thousands gather for Lennon's
vigil in Central Park.

One attendee has followed recent
events especially closely.

His name is John Hinckley Jr.

He also has a copy of
The Catcher in the Rye.

And he's about to shoot the
president of the United States.

- [people clamoring, screaming]
- [gunshots]

[reporter 15] Mark Chapman has
pleaded innocent to the shooting

by reason of insanity.

God told him to do it.

He's guilty 'cause I don't believe
in the insanity clause or whatever.

He wasn't mentally ill.

His intention was to
bring fame to himself.

[interviewee] Under
any other circumstance,

he would have been tried
as an insane person.

He shot the wrong man.