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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,920 [pensive music playing] 2 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:12,840 [Jens, in German] In the first years of my sentence, 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,280 there was one person I hated with all my being. 4 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:19,240 And that was myself. 5 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,600 It was pretty much my full-time job. [laughs] 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,120 I got up in the morning, 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,960 got a cup of coffee, sat down, 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,400 and devoted all my energy to hating myself. 9 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:37,160 Because I destroyed my own life. No one else did it. 10 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:42,240 No girlfriend, no court, no jurors, no appeals court. 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,920 The only person who's really to blame for all this mess... 12 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:52,160 for wrecking my life... 13 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:55,640 that's me. 14 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,880 And I made that mistake so I could turn things around. 15 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,560 [theme music playing] 16 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:37,400 [theme music concludes] 17 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,520 [female reporter, in English] Jens Soering speaks out 18 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,400 and still insists he's innocent. 19 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:42,960 [male reporter] The Brunswick Correctional Center 20 00:01:43,057 --> 00:01:44,320 is now home to Jens Soering, 21 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,600 a German citizen serving two life sentences 22 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,520 for killing Elizabeth Haysom's parents. 23 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,960 [sinister music playing] 24 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,240 [Jens, in German] They had my confession, of course. 25 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,640 They had a very smudged sock print 26 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,200 and there was type O blood. 27 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,520 And that was basically it. That's not much at all. 28 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,120 [female reporter, in English] Jens Soering insists, 29 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:10,360 as he did throughout his trial, 30 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,880 that it was girlfriend Elizabeth Haysom who actually murdered her parents. 31 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,320 I was able to get Jens on the phone, and once you talk to Jens 32 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,520 {\an8}you're intrigued because he's an intriguing character. 33 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,760 I think that once he got over the shock of being in prison, 34 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,040 he realized that there were things he had to do. 35 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:36,120 And he pursued every avenue, you know, he found lawyers who would help him, 36 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:37,960 he found influential people who would help him. 37 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:39,800 [sinister music fades] 38 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,240 [Harding] I was an investigator almost my entire 30-year career. 39 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,080 The last ten years, I oversaw forensics investigations. 40 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:50,240 [pensive music playing] 41 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,720 {\an8}[Harding] When I reviewed Jens's case and went, 42 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,400 {\an8}"Whoa! This is nothing like what was represented in the media." 43 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,560 And the more I read it, the more angry I got. 44 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,360 So he's been labeled a murderer because a jury 45 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,000 heard a set of what they thought were facts, 46 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,160 but actually weren't accurate. 47 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,000 [John] Chip is the main reason I got involved 48 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,600 because we spent 500 hours investigating the case, 49 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,240 {\an8}and on his own time... his own time, his own money 50 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,640 {\an8}because he became obsessed with it. And he said, "This guy is innocent." 51 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:27,440 [door locking] 52 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,360 [John] You know, why do innocent men go to prison? 53 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,160 -[door opening] -Why was Jens ever convicted? 54 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,080 Uh, because he confessed, okay? And that's the fatal mistake. 55 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,920 [male reporter] They questioned Jens Soering today 56 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,640 {\an8}at the Richmond police station in Southwest London. 57 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,480 [Jens, in German] They accepted my confession 58 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,480 and filed charges straight away, as soon as they could. 59 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,120 And that's when the investigation stopped. 60 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:54,880 And no one even checked 61 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,160 whether my confession was true. 62 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:00,440 {\an8}[in English] Jens Soering would tell anyone 63 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,920 {\an8}who would listen that he was innocent and that he gave a false confession. 64 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,400 People started to take another look. Maybe Jens Soering 65 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,800 really was wrongfully convicted. Maybe he is innocent. 66 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,240 [pen clicking] 67 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,760 [Andy] A well-planned interviewer would have been in that interview 68 00:04:16,840 --> 00:04:19,840 with all the crime scene exhibits. 69 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,000 {\an8}They would have to hand, um, other witness statements, 70 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:25,800 {\an8}pieces of forensic information. 71 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,520 They would take breaks and they would go and check that information. 72 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:29,800 None of that happened. 73 00:04:30,280 --> 00:04:31,720 [police officer, on tape] Jens, can you remember 74 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,520 what Mr. and Mrs. Haysom, what they themselves were wearing? 75 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:38,920 [Jens] I think Mrs. Haysom 76 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,040 -was wearing jeans. -[sinister music playing] 77 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,080 The crime scene photographs 78 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:45,920 very clearly described that she was wearing 79 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,760 a neck-to-ankle housecoat. 80 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,960 The other one that was in the same category 81 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,640 was the position of Mr. Haysom's body. 82 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,760 Jens provided a sketch, which showed Mr. Haysom's body 83 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,840 lying through a doorway. 84 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,640 {\an8}Whereas in actual fact, he was across the doorway. 85 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:12,440 The injuries to Mr. Haysom, his throat was cut, including his larynx, 86 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,440 and yet, Jens attributes him saying certain things 87 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,360 after the point at which he described doing that. 88 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:22,960 {\an8}So, all of these, 89 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:28,160 you know, are information discrepancies that need to be resolved and never were. 90 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,160 [Stuart] Soering's confession 91 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,080 is that he's behind Derek, 92 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,600 {\an8}he slits Derek's throat. 93 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,960 {\an8}Derek says something along the lines of, 94 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,040 "What are you doing?" Or "What are you doing, boy?" 95 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,720 The detail of how he describes what happened 96 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:54,560 doesn't seem to fit the pathology. 97 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,560 This is multiple slices 98 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,120 {\an8}that have gone deep enough 99 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,240 {\an8}to actually sever the windpipe. 100 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,920 So, Derek is not shouting anything at him. 101 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,760 So, I think they've been stabbed, and then I think, afterwards, 102 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,160 their throats have been cut as a final injury, 103 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,680 a final making sure they are dead. 104 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,280 Soering's confession, for me, 105 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:29,200 just doesn't stand up. 106 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:31,920 [sinister music fades] 107 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:35,760 The next piece of evidence that I had real problems with 108 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:38,400 was when you look at the sock and foot impressions. 109 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,520 It's junk science to say, 110 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,880 "This fits Jens like a glove." Well, that's saying it's his. 111 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:48,880 {\an8}[eerie music playing] 112 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,040 {\an8}There's nothing that you could say from a sock print, 113 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,240 {\an8}except for maybe if somebody has a size three 114 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:54,840 {\an8}and somebody else has a size eight. 115 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,800 {\an8}You can say the person with the size three didn't make this particular print, 116 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,560 but that's about all you can say. 117 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,560 You just have some cotton making, you know, smudges on the ground, 118 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,960 so you're really getting deep into speculation. 119 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,360 {\an8}In America, he is guilty. He's a murderer by law. 120 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,440 But if he was retried, 121 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,400 I would bet my house he would be found innocent 122 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,600 and he would no longer be a "murderer by law." 123 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,080 I deeply believe this. 124 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,280 [Courteney] Jens pursued every possible legal avenue 125 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,440 {\an8}for his release, and he never stopped. 126 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,640 {\an8}He never stopped pushing and trying to claim his innocence 127 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,040 {\an8}and trying to prove his case. 128 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:39,440 Soering plans to appeal. 129 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,040 [female reporter] Soering says his lawyer 130 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,720 has discovered new evidence he hopes will get him a new trial. 131 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,000 {\an8}Jens filed three separate appeals with the state of Virginia 132 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,240 and he was denied all three times. 133 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,800 He then took his arguments to the federal court, 134 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:07,800 where he was also denied. 135 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,520 The Supreme Court failed Jens many times. 136 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,400 The court should have reversed his conviction. 137 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,960 The whole system failed Jens. 138 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,760 [Jens, in German] These appeal courts are a joke, right? 139 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:32,480 Appeals and constitutional claims can be filed, but... 140 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,680 the chances of success 141 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,520 are almost zero. 142 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:40,760 Yeah. 143 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,520 Then there's only one thing you can do, fight. 144 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,040 [eerie music concludes] 145 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,560 [in English] Jens and Elizabeth have taken extremely opposite approaches 146 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,480 to their time in prison. 147 00:08:58,560 --> 00:08:59,760 [sinister music playing] 148 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,280 [Rachel] She went on to thrive as a model inmate 149 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,120 and has really chosen 150 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,840 to be almost silent about her case. 151 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:16,800 {\an8}She did publish a biweekly column in the little local newspaper 152 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:21,080 {\an8}The Fluvanna Review, called "Glimpses from Inside." 153 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:24,960 [voice actor as Elizabeth] "Since my incarceration, 154 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,280 everything from the fall of the Berlin Wall to 9/11, 155 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,760 from the development of the World Wide Web to Mission to Mars, 156 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,400 wars and major political scandals, have occurred." 157 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,120 "But the talk in the dining room has remained relentlessly unchanged." 158 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,560 "Gossip, complaints, and misinformation about the law." 159 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,160 Elizabeth, during her time in prison, 160 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,960 would be the first one to tell you that she belonged there. 161 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,040 [voice actor as Elizabeth] "Humphrey, the seven-legged spider in my window, 162 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,680 affords me a glimpse of the many questions I have never thought to ask." 163 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,040 "I wonder if anyone has the answers." 164 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,400 [Carlos] She had admitted 165 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,440 {\an8}that she helped kill her parents 166 00:10:14,560 --> 00:10:17,600 {\an8}and that she was remorseful and she deserved to be punished. 167 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,920 {\an8}That means a lot, I think. It means a whole lot. 168 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,720 It can set you back on a true path, an honest path in life. 169 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,480 Cleanse your soul, if that's what you believe in. 170 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,640 Whereas with Jens, 171 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:33,960 he did not become one of the inmates. 172 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,160 He distanced himself in a way from all that. 173 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,480 [pensive music playing] 174 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,840 [Andrew] It's interesting to see how this started 175 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,800 {\an8}because, first of all, he's got his innocence story 176 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,320 {\an8}that he put forward at trial, didn't work there. 177 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,120 Uh, then he built it up 178 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,080 and turned it into a book, Mortal Thoughts. 179 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,680 And there are actually some newspaper articles about this book. 180 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,200 [in German] Via computer, he describes his version of the crime. 181 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:03,920 It's a worldwide cry for help. 182 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,000 [male reporter] His book is a tale of a great love 183 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,760 that was tragically exploited. 184 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,040 [in English] He was persistent. He pushed himself, he sold himself. 185 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,440 [Jens, in German over phone] I wrote this book because I'm innocent. 186 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,120 [Carlos, in English] He was always on the phone 187 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:27,960 and he wrote people letters constantly. 188 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,520 He had one mission in that prison, and that was to get out of it. 189 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,880 He sort of used his own personality, his own charm, his upper-middle-class 190 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,120 and, uh... and civilized appearance. 191 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:55,200 [in German] How are you? 192 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,440 [Andrew, in English] He has a clean prison record, 193 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,640 he's pleasant to hang around and talk with, 194 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,400 and you can have an intelligent conversation with him. 195 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,640 [Rachel] People like to see inmates be rehabilitated in prison. 196 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,600 And there are many opportunities to get involved with religion, 197 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,000 and Jens chose Christianity 198 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,360 and became pretty involved in the Catholic Church. 199 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,400 [suspenseful music playing] 200 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:26,560 [in German] I found God through a type of Christian meditation 201 00:12:26,680 --> 00:12:28,200 called centering prayer. 202 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,160 {\an8}[in English] Well, I suppose the fact that he became very religious 203 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:32,440 {\an8}at one point didn't hurt. 204 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:36,760 I suppose word got out 205 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,080 that he had started a meditation group in prison, 206 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,760 which certainly doesn't fit the image of a cold-blooded killer. 207 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,440 He learned about theology, 208 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,520 he built a strong friendship with a deacon 209 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,440 in the Catholic Church in Richmond. 210 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:55,080 And once he had befriended Jens, he came to believe that he was innocent. 211 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,080 [Andrew] You know, there's a natural tendency, 212 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,320 a great tendency among humans to want to rectify injustices. 213 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,760 [Sandy] Someone very high up in the Catholic Church in Richmond 214 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,360 met with Governor Tim Kaine who is also a Catholic. 215 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,360 [indistinct chatter] 216 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,160 And that surely was persuasive to some extent. 217 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,160 {\an8}[Natasha] One of Governor Tim Kaine's last decisions 218 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,440 is one of his most controversial. 219 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,200 {\an8}Today is Governor Tim Kaine's last day in office 220 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:33,160 {\an8}and he used the opportunity to approve Jens Soering's transfer to Germany. 221 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,360 [somber music playing] 222 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,520 [Jens, in German] For one whole week, I really believed 223 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,120 I was a free man. 224 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,280 At last! 225 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,240 Freedom, if not justice. 226 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,040 [Rachel, in English] This was his moment to get back home, he could see it. 227 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,800 That's when Elizabeth breaks her silence. 228 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,760 She chose to give an interview to a journalist. 229 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,520 [Courteney] She said, "If Jens is innocent, 230 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,200 I would shout it from the rooftops, but he's as guilty as I am." 231 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,440 [Carlos] And she said, "We both deserve to be where we are." 232 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,840 Not him, not he deserves it. 233 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,400 We both deserve it. 234 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,680 And, uh, that was a... that was actually a pretty stunning statement from her. 235 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,480 [Rachel] So, Jens thought he was going home. 236 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,200 He had packed his bags, 237 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,520 he was in the warden's office at the prison and then... 238 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,840 I applied for the job of Governor of Virginia. 239 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,560 Tonight, you have hired me. 240 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,800 -Thank you. -[crowd cheering, applauding] 241 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,040 Governor Bob McDonnell takes office in 2010, 242 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,560 and the very first thing he does as Governor of Virginia 243 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,080 is squash that transfer. 244 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,200 [dog barking in distance] 245 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,560 [melancholic music playing] 246 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,400 [in German] It's unbelievable. Looking back, it's unbelievable. 247 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,480 She had to stop me 248 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,680 from getting out because then... 249 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,960 all of the anger of the State of Virginia 250 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,880 would have been focused on her, and they would have never let her out. 251 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,920 There seemed to be no way out. 252 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,920 What could I do? There was nothing. 253 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,920 [melancholic music fades] 254 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,760 [Rachel, in English] While Elizabeth has been relatively quiet, 255 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,560 she has her own strategy. 256 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,600 [pensive music playing] 257 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,840 The path for her to freedom was the parole board. 258 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,560 I can't tell you how many times I went before the parole board. 259 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:05,920 Myself and another friend of Elizabeth's engaged a forensic psychologist 260 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,640 and the report came back 261 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,440 that she would not be a threat to anyone. 262 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,040 That was his conclusion. 263 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,680 But every time she came up for parole, 264 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:19,400 her parole was denied. 265 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:23,760 {\an8}After so many years, 266 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,280 it became very frustrating to her. 267 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,360 [tense music playing] 268 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,440 [Rachel] What turned the whole case for Jens Soering was 269 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,880 {\an8}the announcement that there was blood samples 270 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,440 {\an8}and crime scene evidence that had been stored 271 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,400 that could be tested for DNA. 272 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,080 [Courteney] So, the Governor of Virginia ordered 273 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,440 that DNA testing be conducted on all of these old cases 274 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,200 that had this stored DNA in the form of swabs, 275 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,560 and Jens's case was one of them. 276 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,640 [Rachel] DNA was not around back in the '90s during Jens's trial. 277 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,240 So, DNA testing was done for the very first time 278 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:17,760 on some pieces of evidence 279 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,840 from the Haysom crime scene. 280 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,800 [male reporter, in German] The evidence from Soering's case. 281 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,480 The old bloodstains on the clothing are Soering's new source of hope. 282 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,600 We learn that, for the first time, 283 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,480 they have been tested for DNA. 284 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,640 What was found in those DNA test results was incredible, 285 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,160 and it was really good news for Jens Soering. 286 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,560 {\an8}Jens Soering is currently serving two life sentences. 287 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,880 Soering's lawyer said new DNA analysis proves 288 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,520 crime scene blood does not match his, 289 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,760 which he says proves he was not at the crime scene. 290 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,840 [in German] From all the tests on crime scene evidence, 291 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,560 um, all were negative. 292 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,040 My DNA was not at the scene. 293 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:07,720 Yes. 294 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,960 Now, I had a new weapon. I could start fighting again. 295 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,760 [Lindsey] Investigators in Central Virginia are putting pressure 296 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,200 {\an8}on Governor Terry McAuliffe 297 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,200 {\an8}to pardon a former University of Virginia student. 298 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,000 [female reporter] Sheriff Chip Harding teamed up with a retired investigator 299 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,200 from the Charlottesville Police Department and a DNA expert. 300 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,520 [Rachel] Now, for years, it had been assumed that the type O blood 301 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,520 found at the crime scene belonged to Jens Soering. 302 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,720 {\an8}DNA testing's now showed 303 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,800 {\an8}that it's absolutely not Jens Soering's blood. 304 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,760 [Rachel] They also found AB Blood, 305 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,840 but with a Y chromosome, which suggested that there was 306 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,840 a second male bleeding at the crime scene. 307 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:58,320 That's irrefutable. The DNA is not wrong. So, there are two strangers bleeding 308 00:18:58,400 --> 00:18:59,480 in that crime scene. 309 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,320 [Courteney] I was a reporter at the press conference 310 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:04,520 when this was announced, 311 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,640 and it was shocking. 312 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,720 {\an8}I thought this makes no sense. 313 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,920 {\an8}Why doesn't Bedford County want 314 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,640 to find out who the two unidentified men are? 315 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,000 [eerie music playing] 316 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,800 [Rachel] This was troubling to us, the fact that there might be two murderers 317 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,720 on the loose in Bedford. 318 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,880 And Bedford County was not interested 319 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,960 in reopening the case or investigating these claims. 320 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:32,920 [woman] Geez. 321 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,840 [Rachel] We wanted to cover a crime where there were unanswered questions, 322 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,240 or where there was something that was unresolved in the case. 323 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,960 [woman] This is from the Supreme Court, the appeal. 324 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,800 [Rachel] There were two men named in legal filings by Jens Soering's team 325 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,160 back in the '90s, 326 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:50,600 the two men, the drifters. 327 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,840 The drifters were actually two men who lived in Central Virginia, 328 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,520 William Shifflett and Robert Albright. 329 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,360 And in 1985, 330 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:11,480 they were arrested for a crime eerily similar to the Haysom murders. 331 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,120 Doctor Oxley. 332 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,440 He said the homeless man was murdered in a similar manner to the Haysoms 333 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,480 and that the stab wounds are similar. 334 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,160 [tense music playing] 335 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,240 [Rachel] If you can believe that Elizabeth could convince her boyfriend Jens Soering 336 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,080 to commit the murders of her parents 337 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,520 then it wouldn't be that hard to also believe 338 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,880 she could convince William Shifflett and Robert Albright 339 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:41,840 to commit the murders. 340 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,360 [Harding] Elizabeth used hard drugs 341 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,840 and these guys used hard drugs, both in the same small geographic area. 342 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,400 They could have known each other, 343 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,040 and she could have enticed them to go with her to do it. 344 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,560 [Courteney] Both the drifters, Robert Albright and William Shifflett, 345 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,520 had been sentenced to life in prison. 346 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,440 We were able to obtain their DNA profiles 347 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,640 and have them compared to the unidentified DNA. 348 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,480 We were on pins and needles. 349 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,160 I mean, we really thought that we might be able 350 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,040 to break this case open and change everything. 351 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,000 [tense music fades] 352 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:48,680 [Thomas] I could not include Shifflett and Albright 353 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,120 {\an8}as being one of the contributors to any of the samples 354 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,520 {\an8}that were collected at the crime scene. 355 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,280 Neither one was a match. 356 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:02,720 It wasn't the drifters. They're not the two men. 357 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,040 But then how do you explain away all this other DNA? 358 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,240 {\an8}[Andrew] If you look at the evidence closely 359 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,280 {\an8}and you look at the DNA results, 360 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:17,080 {\an8}what you will see is that all of these partial profiles, 361 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,240 {\an8}there was never a complete profile, 362 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,600 are actually consistent with slightly contaminated 363 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,960 partial profiles of Derek Haysom's blood. 364 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:30,560 [Courteney] It may be that 365 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,680 all of the DNA came from the victim, Derek Haysom. 366 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:35,520 The DNA proves nothing. 367 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,760 It does not prove he was at the crime scene, 368 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,920 it does not prove that anyone else was at the crime scene, except the victims. 369 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:44,360 [crickets chirping] 370 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,080 [ominous music playing] 371 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,600 [voice actor as Elizabeth] "I thought he was my soulmate." 372 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,600 "My life partner." 373 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:00,600 "My creative partner." 374 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,320 [eerie music playing] 375 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,000 [Rachel] Elizabeth granted one of her rare interviews 376 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,360 to The New Yorker, and it almost seemed like 377 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,880 she wanted to take the narrative away from Jens 378 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,480 and not let him have all the power and all the say. 379 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,440 [voice actor as Elizabeth] "This whole thing with Jens 380 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,720 feels like a public divorce." 381 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:24,200 The intense love between Jens and Elizabeth 382 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,440 turned into intense animosity as they served their sentences in prison. 383 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,720 [voice actor as Elizabeth] "I have just one thing to say 384 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:32,760 about Lady Macbeth 385 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,560 because apparently there's no one who's read the play." 386 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:39,000 "It was Lady Macbeth 387 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:43,880 who died over remorse and grief and killed herself." 388 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,280 "It was Macbeth who discovered his true nature." 389 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,400 [Rachel] It was really hard to get a sense with Jens Soering 390 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,000 about what was real, and what was... 391 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,440 curated when it came to his life. 392 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,560 [Andrew] Whenever he had contact with members of the press, 393 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,040 he would send them a very selective 394 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:19,080 and carefully curated package of information. 395 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,000 [speaking indistinctly] 396 00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:21,800 [Courteney] He would reach out and say, "I have evidence." 397 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,000 "Let me provide you with this information. Let me send you these documents." 398 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,000 "Let me put you in touch with somebody else 399 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,400 who can tell you the things that I'm telling you." 400 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,000 [Andrew] And during all this time, what people forget to do 401 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,640 is carefully analyze what he's saying 402 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,760 to see if he's not telling the truth. 403 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,240 {\an8}-Take, let's say, the bloody sock print. -[eerie music fades] 404 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,320 {\an8}He and his supporters have said that the bloody sock print 405 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,400 is junk science, it's worthless 406 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,600 -and completely unreliable. -[tense music playing] 407 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:12,960 [Sarah] Footprint examination involves empirical studies and research 408 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,200 that has been subject to peer review 409 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,240 and has been published. 410 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,240 {\an8}I myself have a PhD in footprint examination. 411 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,120 So, in my opinion, it's not junk science. 412 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,200 There are statistically no significant differences 413 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,640 between a bare footprint and a socked footprint. 414 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,320 [in German] This sock print fits almost everyone. 415 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,360 This sock print fits Elizabeth just as well as my foot. 416 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:43,920 It's interchangeable. 417 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,800 Lengthwise, it fits Elizabeth better than mine. 418 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,080 [Sarah, in English] This is the reference footprint 419 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,560 from Elizabeth Haysom, 420 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,160 and we can see that the first toe position is correct, 421 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,160 but the size isn't quite right. 422 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,600 {\an8}And the heel print doesn't concur. 423 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,680 So, according to this, we can rule this out. 424 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,040 And this is the overlay 425 00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:24,640 from one of Soering's reference footprints. 426 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:32,360 The big toe print seems to line up nicely, as does the anterior ball of foot line, 427 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,720 and the other toe prints seem to line up also. 428 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,920 Particularly, we have similarities in the width 429 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,640 and of the... 430 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,760 across the ball measurement here. 431 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,640 It seems to all line up quite well. 432 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,440 The footprint shapes of the toes were the same, 433 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,040 and there was a gap 434 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,240 {\an8}between the first and the second toe prints 435 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,600 {\an8}in both the crime scene footprint 436 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,680 and Soering's reference footprints. 437 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,600 So, here we have some high-level characteristics 438 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,200 in combination 439 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,320 which would suggest that the crime scene print 440 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,200 {\an8}and the reference prints 441 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,240 {\an8}labeled as Soering's belong to the same person. 442 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,720 This report from the forensic podiatrist 443 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,600 really validates what was presented at Jens's trial. 444 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,000 And you pull that out and it matches and it fits like a glove. 445 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,560 She has concluded 446 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,560 that of all the people that had a connection to this crime scene, 447 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,480 Jens is the one whose footprint matches closely. 448 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,320 [Carlos] Jens kept protesting that he was innocent, 449 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,360 you know, he just never gave up. 450 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,760 {\an8}And you start listening to somebody like that 451 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,720 {\an8}after decades of saying, "I'm innocent, I'm innocent, I'm innocent." 452 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,440 [Sandy] Virginia is not a state that often releases people. 453 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,000 But... 454 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,480 {\an8}it started to become a big political issue nationally. 455 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,880 {\an8}I remember going up to some affair at the German Embassy in Washington 456 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,480 -and talking to the ambassador. -[indistinct chatter] 457 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,760 [Sandy] He was well aware of the case. So... 458 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,040 And then, we were told anyway 459 00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:26,400 that when Merkel came to visit with Obama that she raised it. 460 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,880 [Andrew] And, eventually, 461 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,160 the former president of Germany agrees to fly to Virginia 462 00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:37,200 and argue on his behalf before the Virginia parole board. 463 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,320 [indistinct chatter] 464 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,200 [in German] Politicians have great responsibility 465 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,120 because they have great power. 466 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,160 {\an8}I firmly believe that you also have to use it 467 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,960 {\an8}in individual cases to help. 468 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,520 EX-PRESIDENT WULFF FIGHTS FOR GERMAN PRISONER 469 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,440 [Wulff] I got a letter from Jens Soering's supporters, 470 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,920 informing me of his case. 471 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,480 I had a look at it and had my staff prepare a dossier. 472 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,280 I had the impression we have to act. 473 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,920 [in English] We got down to a point where it appeared that Jens 474 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,320 had served long enough, 475 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,560 it was time to get him out. 476 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,840 I'm very involved in politics. 477 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,080 If the Democrats are in power, 478 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,520 I've got some contacts. 479 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,000 And I was able to... 480 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,680 uh, you know, lean on some people. 481 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,560 [crowd cheering, applauding] 482 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,680 [Sandy] I know for a fact that John Grisham 483 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,960 was a generous campaign contributor to Democrats in Virginia. 484 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,760 [female reporter, in German] The public mood in Virginia 485 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,000 is gradually changing. 486 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,720 An incumbent Democratic governor 487 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,520 could contribute to the release of Jens Soering. 488 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,960 {\an8}[in English] We're gonna make a decision, uh, pretty soon. 489 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,400 {\an8}So, I would just say, stay tuned. 490 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:11,080 {\an8}A jaw-dropping decision in the case of Jens Soering and Elizabeth Haysom. 491 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,520 {\an8}The state parole board has granted both of them parole. 492 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,400 It was probably the political pressure and all of the public attention 493 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,120 that helped Jens Soering win his release, 494 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,680 but they're not going to release him and not Elizabeth, 495 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,360 so she also gets released. 496 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,480 [suspenseful music playing] 497 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,280 [Carlos] She was convicted of a much lesser crime. 498 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,400 He was convicted of the actual murders, 499 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,360 and so I think they had to do that because it would have been absurd. 500 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:41,760 [alarm buzzes] 501 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:45,960 [Phyllis] I was on the phone with her. 502 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,640 She told me. She said. "I wanted you to be the first to know." 503 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,400 It was joy. 504 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,640 We had prayed for that for so often. 505 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,120 You know, I think Jens was kind of shocked himself. 506 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,240 [in German] It seemed unreal. 507 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,400 Now, all of a sudden, 508 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,800 I was paroled. 509 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,360 They could have done that 11 months earlier, 510 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,960 or ten years earlier. [chuckles] 511 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,680 [female reporter, in English] Immigration and Customs Enforcement 512 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,360 will pick the two of them up very quickly. 513 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,840 Nothing can overturn the parole board's decision now. 514 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,320 This is final. 515 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,920 He was released not because they said he was not guilty, 516 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:25,960 because he had served so much time. 517 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,160 [tense music playing] 518 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:33,880 [Jens, in German] We were both taken... 519 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,360 to the same ICE terminal... 520 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,080 on the same day. 521 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,560 We were only a few steps apart. 522 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,640 We couldn't see each other. 523 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,800 But that was... 524 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,080 pretty weird. [chuckles] 525 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,560 {\an8}Haysom and Soering will be deported to their respective countries 526 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:07,880 {\an8}of Canada and Germany. 527 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,680 After an investigation, the parole board ruled 528 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,720 there is no merit to Soering's claims of innocence. 529 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,920 Neither of them will be allowed in the US again. 530 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,560 [in German] The German Jens Soering was imprisoned in the USA for 33 years, 531 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,880 {\an8}convicted of murdering his then-girlfriend's parents. 532 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:31,400 Any minute, he will be coming from the terminal building. 533 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,000 I'm from the Federal Police. Welcome to Germany! 534 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,320 [all laugh] 535 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,080 [Jens] I was welcomed by a police commissioner. 536 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,800 {\an8}He gave me my passport. 537 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,440 "Mr. Soering, you are a free man." 538 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,640 [laughs] 539 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,800 [inhales sharply] That was great. Yes. 540 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,440 [camera shutters clicking] 541 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,600 [crowd cheering] 542 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,080 I am so happy. 543 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:07,120 -[camera shutters clicking] -After 33 years, six months and 25 days, 544 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,240 I am finally back in Germany. 545 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,680 I would never have made it without these people, 546 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,680 who supported me for years. 547 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:16,680 It's unbelievable. 548 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,720 [indistinct chatter] 549 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,280 [in English] Elizabeth's release was met more quietly. 550 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,120 I think because she has been a quieter person. 551 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,400 [pensive music playing] 552 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,840 [Phyllis] I flew up to Canada, 553 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,640 and we had a reunion. 554 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,160 {\an8}Elizabeth has a good relationship 555 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,560 with her half-siblings on her father's side. 556 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,400 They requested that she not give any more interviews, 557 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,000 and she respects that request. 558 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,080 They had granted the forgiveness that she had sought. 559 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,200 Howard has been the one that, um, has been really not sure 560 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,680 about her part in the crime, and... 561 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,560 {\an8}he's been very, um, disengaged from her. 562 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,160 {\an8}But there was quite a group in Lynchburg 563 00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:20,800 who were convinced that Elizabeth was there, 564 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,320 was at the scene of the crime, 565 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,560 -and they stuck to their guns. -[pensive music fades] 566 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:38,120 [pensive music playing] 567 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,440 [Jens, in German] I have decided to deal with my past in a proactive way. 568 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,920 I'm not running away. 569 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,160 [indistinct chatter] 570 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,000 [Courteney, in English] Jens starts out on a publicity tour. 571 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,600 He is giving interviews to newspapers and television stations. 572 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,920 He's now almost a media star in Germany. 573 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,760 -[in German] Good evening, Jens Soering. -Thanks for having me. 574 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,680 {\an8}Good evening and welcome to our show. 575 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,800 [interviewer] A big hand for Jens Soering... 576 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:18,760 [crowd applauding] 577 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,200 [Courteney in English] In his interviews, he is saying 578 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:22,880 Elizabeth is the real killer. 579 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,640 Well, a German attorney hears the things that Jens is saying 580 00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:29,040 and he reaches out to Elizabeth and says, 581 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,760 you know, "Do you want me to do something about this?" 582 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,960 {\an8}Elizabeth said, "Yes, I would like you to do something about this." 583 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,200 {\an8}[in German] The night of the murder, where were you? 584 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,000 {\an8}I didn't know anything about it. 585 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,200 {\an8}I was in Washington D.C., and I was at the movies. 586 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,240 {\an8}And I only found out later. 587 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,000 {\an8}-[Markus] From her? -[inhales] 588 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,680 {\an8}WAS FOUND GUILTY OF DOUBLE MURDER IN VIRGINIA IN 1990 589 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:54,960 {\an8}AND RECEIVED A LIFELONG PRISON SENTENCE 590 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,160 {\an8}[Markus] You cannot comment on this for legal reasons? 591 00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:03,600 {\an8}In fact, the legal situation has changed. 592 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,600 [in English] It's amazing because Elizabeth still holds 593 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,960 a little bit of control over what Jens says to this day 594 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,440 {\an8}as a free man in Germany. 595 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:12,920 {\an8}[Markus, in German] You never talked to her again? 596 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,360 {\an8}Never. I would not want to. 597 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,440 {\an8}-[Markus] Did she try to make contact? -No. 598 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,960 {\an8}I have nothing to say to her, and she has nothing to say to me. 599 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,760 {\an8}[Courteney, in English] The case has basically split into two camps, 600 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,880 those who believe Jens and those who believe Elizabeth. 601 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:34,080 And, of course, each one of them is saying the other person did it by themself, 602 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,400 and there's very little middle ground. 603 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,040 Uh, and it really comes down to 604 00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:40,920 who do you believe, who do you like better, 605 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,200 whose version of the story makes more sense to you, 606 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,840 and not so much on actual evidence. 607 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,120 [indistinct chatter over radio] 608 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,640 I think if you take a step back and just look at the big picture, 609 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,760 then you can also look at what Elizabeth and Jens 610 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,680 have kind of been telling us from the beginning. 611 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,880 [voice actor as Elizabeth] "We can either wait until we graduate 612 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,240 and then leave them behind, 613 00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:06,640 {\an8}or we can get rid of them soon." 614 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,280 {\an8}[voice actor as Jens] "My God, I've got the dinner scene planned out." 615 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:18,240 They talked about doing this together beforehand and after hand in letters. 616 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,280 [voice actor as Elizabeth] "I thought we did it 617 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:22,560 so that I could be free." 618 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,600 {\an8}[voice actor as Jens] "I certainly don't want a letter from you, 619 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:26,840 {\an8}taking it all on yourself." 620 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,600 "I do regret having done this very much." 621 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,000 [in German] These letters prove 622 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,440 that Elizabeth and I had something to do with the murders. 623 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,480 We can agree on that. 624 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,440 But they reveal nothing about who did what. 625 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,680 [interviewer, in English on tape] Was this in the plans? 626 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,800 That you and Elizabeth were going to rent a car in Charlottesville, 627 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:52,800 go to Washington D.C., 628 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,720 and then you were going to return back to Loose Chippings? 629 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,160 During one of the interrogations with investigators in London, 630 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:06,840 Jens refers to "our trip" to Bedford. 631 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,240 [Jens, on tape] Our trip to... 632 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,520 Oh, my trip. Sorry, that was... 633 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,400 [mutters] Speaking of our because, um... 634 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,160 And then he immediately tries to backtrack 635 00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:23,360 and has some kind of crazy explanation for why he called it "our trip." 636 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,040 [Rachel] Another crucial piece of information is the fact 637 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,920 that Nancy Haysom told her son, Howard, before her murder, 638 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,840 that she was expecting Jens and Elizabeth to visit them that weekend. 639 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,960 I, personally, am not satisfied with the explanation, 640 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,080 uh, that her guilty plea provided. 641 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,320 I think Elizabeth was in the house at the time of the crime. 642 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,520 I think the theory that makes the most sense when you understand 643 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,520 the dynamic and the relationship between Jens and Elizabeth 644 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,120 is that they committed this murder together. 645 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,840 [foreboding music playing] 646 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,720 You have a lot of evidence that Jens's team likes to talk about 647 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,320 that suggests Elizabeth Haysom was there. That's all true. 648 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,560 And then you have evidence that points the finger at Jens Soering 649 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,240 that Elizabeth's team likes to talk about. That's all true too. 650 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,560 So, if you look at the big picture, 651 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,440 maybe they're both telling the truth that the other one was there 652 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,320 and they're just leaving themselves out of it. 653 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,360 I think people have gotten so caught up in believing 654 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,200 either Jens or Elizabeth 655 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,480 that they haven't considered the fact that neither one of them is trustworthy. 656 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,720 -You lied, didn't you? -[Jens] That's correct, yeah. 657 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,000 That's correct. 658 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,200 That was a lie, right? 659 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:55,560 That's correct. 660 00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,800 And they also get caught up in the fact that somebody had to stay in D.C. 661 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,280 to create the alibi. 662 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,680 So, one of them had to be there and one of them went to Bedford. 663 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,320 But we can't forget that both Jens and Elizabeth 664 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,080 are really quite brilliant. 665 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,120 So, if they are setting out to create the perfect alibi, 666 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,320 they're probably going to do at least a reasonably good job. 667 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,240 [Rachel] You could see it going down like this. 668 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,120 They buy movie tickets ahead of time for the three movies, 669 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,240 and they order room service right at four o'clock. 670 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,000 And then they have plenty of time to drive down to Bedford 671 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,560 to visit the Haysoms, and the Haysoms are expecting them. 672 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,600 [Carlos] They were both so angry about the world, 673 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,400 just like a lot of teenagers are. 674 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:42,560 You know, "It's unfair." 675 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:43,920 "The world sucks." 676 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,840 And "My parents are the worst." 677 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,640 And "Let's do something." 678 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,120 There must have been some kind of synergetic effect 679 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,320 between Jens and Elizabeth 680 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,960 that brought out the worst in both of them. 681 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,360 [Rachel] They're bound forever by this crime, and no one knows exactly 682 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,120 how they're bound because nobody knows, 683 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,240 except for the two of them, what happened that night. 684 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,520 [Courteney] For either one of them 685 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,560 to change course and to say something different, 686 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,160 would be to undo years 687 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,240 of the claims that they've made. 688 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,480 They're locked in this battle, 689 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,920 uh, probably for the rest of their lives. 690 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,200 [foreboding music fades] 691 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,520 [birds chirping] 692 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,040 [voice actor as Elizabeth] "Love." 693 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,200 "Oh, where have you led me?" 694 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,480 [somber music playing] 695 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:53,800 [voice actor as Jens] "You are my definition 696 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,160 of perfection and joy." 697 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:56,480 "I love you." 698 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,320 [voice actor as Elizabeth] "I love you. And no matter what your judgment, 699 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,600 I will always love you." 700 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:04,920 "Elizabeth." 701 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,960 [voice actor as Jens] "Forever yours, Jens." 702 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,720 [tense music playing] 703 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:41,760 [tense music concludes] 59463

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