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I mean, the stop motion
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is still very interesting,
I think.
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It's different than digital,
you know?
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There's an... it has
its own world a little bit.
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There's something special
about stop motion.
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All the flash effects were done
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as a separate pass.
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So, what we had to do is then
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you got the one frame
that you want.
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Now, you have to turn
the lights off,
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isolate the flash tubes,
and you've got to put
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this little strobe unit
into the end of the gun.
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You got to wrap it
in some orange gel,
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and you had to take some cotton,
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and sculpt the cotton
into the shape of a gaseous,
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- you know, explosion.
- There was always
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that kind of anticipation
after you finished the shot.
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What's it gonna look
like tomorrow?
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Because something
that you worked so hard on,
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there may be a glitch,
or some little thing,
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or light could have burnt.
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Somebody could have bumped
a little something on the set.
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You'd have to redo
the whole thing the next day.
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Unfortunately,
throughout the process,
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the animators
would occasionally get shocks.
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And I always remember,
you know, you hear this...
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"Jesus Christ!"
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And for whatever reason,
from my own exposure,
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to me, it was kind of funny.
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I'd be cracking up like,
"Oh, there goes another one."
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I know exactly how they feel.
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The fight scene, they would be
flying through the air
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and through the glass doors.
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We had ramps built.
So, I could not quite run up,
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but launch myself
through those glass doors,
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and then another one
up against the wall.
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And then the mask came off.
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They'd have to screw it on,
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because I had a permanent cut
across my nose,
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'cause every time I fell,
it just bopped me on the nose.
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There's one little blue screen
shot there,
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which is like, you know,
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a guy doing a backflip
over the camera,
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which was added
to one of the ED-209 shots.
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There were a few shots
that I really needed
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to be a little bit smoother,
so I came up
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with like a poor man's
version of Go motion.
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I would just drive a wedge
under the table
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that I was working on,
so the table was stable,
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and I'd animate the puppet,
and hit the camera,
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and just slightly wiggle
the table,
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and got a... got a motion blur.
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But I had to make sure
that the table
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was wiggling the right way,
so the motion blur
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was the right way,
and all that stuff.
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I can't imagine
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really anyone doing a better job
than Peter did in that role.
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I didn't get
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that he was gonna make us
care desperately for RoboCop.
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I just thought he was wonderful.
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I thought his part
was a lot more difficult
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than people give him credit for.
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I don't wanna act unless I am
transforming something,
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and it's not called "technique".
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Technique is like,
how you get to say something,
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what takes you
to the personalization of it.
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Some people say,
"A technical actor?" No.
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You're either bullshit
or you're saying something.
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But every good actor knows
when he's saying something.
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We needed a shot
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that we couldn't get
contact-wise any other way.
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So, we built a little RoboCop.
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I sculpted this little 8-inch
replica of RoboCop.
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And it was a fairly quick shot,
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but it shows you
how much work needs to be done
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on even shots that... that pass
in fractions of a second.
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Where he's shooting the rockets
out of his arm,
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they built explosives
into the set.
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And as I walked to one,
and turned away,
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the rocket was on a wire,
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then it went a whole lot faster
than I could get away.
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And as I was turning away,
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all the debris went through,
the suit and into my arm,
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and then knocked me
across the hallway.
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They had to cut the suit off.
I went to the hospital.
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They released me
later on that day,
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but my arm was all swollen,
embedded with, you know,
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whatever the material was,
and started to swell.
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Like I said,
it was all practical.
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You just had to do it.
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And then a beautiful scene
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that ED-209
trying to tiptoe down there,
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and he can't get down.
God, what...
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Is that genius or what?
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For the scene where ED-209
falls down the stairs,
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for the shots
where ED-209's looking
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at his feet,
trying to figure out
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how to stay
with the placement and stuff,
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those were shot
on an actual miniature.
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And that was really
not very big.
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It was, you know,
kind of a duplicate
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of a location we found out
in Dallas, Texas, there.
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So, went out there,
took measurements,
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took photographs.
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For him tumbling
down the stairs,
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we got the thing set up,
and started running
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at as high a frame rate
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as we could get out
of these Mitchell cameras.
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And basically,
Phil would pop the thing,
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the robot would tumble
down the stairs.
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I'm off camera,
below the camera,
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trying to catch it,
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because if it hits the ground,
I've gotta fix it.
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Once he hits
the bottom of the stairs,
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then we're back
to a photographic plate
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where we've got a shot
of RoboCop, you know,
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kind of in the background,
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and ED-209 in the foreground,
writhing about.
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John Davidson told me
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that they used the sounds
of pigs being slaughtered
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for the writhing
and agony moment there...
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which was pretty effective.
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And then we shot the scene
in the garage, fire at will.
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Prepare to fire.
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That was just a dynamic,
wonderful scene.
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The thing is,
I've got 75 background actors
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behind me
with all kinds of weapons.
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We have orders to destroy it.
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Everybody in Texas does not
know how to handle a weapon.
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Fire at will!
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Miguel Ferrer and I became
very good friends.
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And we would play SWAT officers.
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So, we would be up all night
doing that kind of stuff.
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We ran around Dallas at night,
and drank too much,
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and did crazy things.
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And so, that was fun
of what I remember of it.
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The shootout stuff,
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I mean,
it says that in the script,
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but I envisioned that fully,
with all the bullets
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falling on the ground,
and all that stuff,
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that's... that's all mine.
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I mean, listen, at that time,
people are paying
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$5 a ticket, right?
You... you got to give them
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their 5 bucks' worth, you know?
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It's like,
"Fuck, push that envelope."
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We had about five or six
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RoboCop suits in different
states of disrepair.
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You know, some
were the battle-damaged suits.
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We spent a couple of days
just tearing those suits up,
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took dremel suits to 'em,
paintbrushes,
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and just really wore
those things out.
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They shot some kind of compound
into the chest plate,
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and it would create sparks.
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They're called, "Zerk guns".
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They're like paintball guns,
and you know,
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whenever they hit the hand,
you know,
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it's like they're standing
about 10 feet away,
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and you just hope
that they're a pretty good shot.
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We pumped in some fluid
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oozing out of the chest plate,
like chemical fluid,
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and some
of the life-support stuff
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that Robo has in his making.
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Halt it!
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I had Randy Moore next to me,
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fortunately,
because he had an AUG,
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and Verhoeven said,
"What I want you to do is
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I want you to hold that up
next to Michael's face."
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And he said, "We can do that,
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but you're only gonna get
one take."
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"Why is that?"
"'Cause," he said,
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"It'll probably take the skin
off his face."
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"Oh, no, no, no, no.
Don't do that."
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The way Peter is moving
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and the way
he's kind of falling back,
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it's not real,
but it looks beautiful in a way
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that looks naturalistic,
but it's not.
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It's all very planned out.
It's very precise.
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That's actually me falling
over the side of those rails.
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There was no pads down there.
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I actually went to the ground
each time, and probably did it...
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I don't know, probably 10 times.
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I... I still hurt
because of that.
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Both of the female characters,
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they're two different
female archetypes.
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One is the domestic goddess,
the homemaker, the wife,
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and the other one is more
the independent woman who
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- doesn't have any children...
- Murphy!
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Who is living
in the man's world.
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- Murphy, it's me.
- And I think
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that's one of the things
that makes the movie work
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is because it is a guy's film,
and they've got
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all this masculine energy,
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but these two women
rounds out the humanity.
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I came to be involved
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in the project,
because my husband,
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Kurtwood Smith,
was cast as Clarence Boddicker.
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Hiya, Barbara.
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He said, "Well, I think I'll ask
'em if they would read you,"
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and that's how I got involved.
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And the part, of course,
was the secretary.
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We kind of like, played around
with it a little bit.
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Listen.
I'm here to see Dick Jones.
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You know,
put the chewing gum on her desk.
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And when I'm done,
I've got some free time.
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Maybe you could fit me in.
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But it was fun.
We had a real good time.
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He's expecting you,
Mr. Boddicker.
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He would just have this look
of evil, gleeful evil,
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that is really not a part
of who Kurtwood is,
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or not... not a part
that I've ever seen.
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Hey, Dickie boy. How's tricks?
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That thing is still alive.
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I spent a lot of time trying
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to get at the essence
of acting, and it's...
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It's a really complex thing.
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He's a cyborg, you idiot!
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How technical and simple
it has to be at once.
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His memory is admissible
as evidence.
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Yeah. The technical stuff
has to come through,
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and if it ever shows
for even an instant, then...
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Then our bullshit senses say,
"Uh-uh."
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You involved me!
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It's important to me
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that Clarence works
with Dick Jones.
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He doesn't... he's not a toady,
you know?
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Well, the scene
had been rewritten.
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It was not what Paul and I
had talked about, basically,
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and that it had become
pretty much
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of a yes-or-no-sir scene.
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Well, listen, Chief.
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"I said, Paul, this is exactly
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what we talked
about at breakfast
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that I didn't want to happen,
you know?"
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He said, "Oh, you're just trying
to make the scene
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all about you,"
and kind of stomped off.
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And I said to Jon Davison...
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Jon understood
what I was talking about,
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and you know, it's actually
better scene for Ronny,
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because it went from being
a yes-or-no-sir scene
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into one where Dick Jones
is manipulating me.
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One man could control it all,
Clarence.
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They're the two villains
that everybody loves to hate,
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and... and he got such a joy
out of calling me, "Dick."
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Take a look at my face, Dick.
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And Dick Jones
didn't think that was funny.
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You got access
to military weaponry?
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We practically are the military.
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There is this beautiful scene
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when he sits there
in this steel factory.
250
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I guess we're on strike.
251
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I wasn't sure what you needed.
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What you would call
a personal human scene.
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You asked for this?
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I think the scene
is very beautiful.
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The helmet wouldn't fit on his
head, you know,
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with the prosthetic
'cause it was just...
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Everything was too big.
258
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So, Paul had that worked out
259
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where you didn't have
to actually see him
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lifting it off his head.
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You may not like
what you're going to see.
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But now, he's like, "Well, what
about all this black stuff,
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the chin strap, the neck piece?"
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It's like, just suddenly,
that's gonna be gone
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and we were gonna take
a piece and like,
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put some cuts in it
to where he could be like,
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lifting it off his head,
and Paul's just like,
268
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"Eh,
nobody's ever gonna notice."
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- Ta-da!
- You know, all of a sudden,
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like this thing just vanishes.
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And I was like,
"How could they not notice?
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It's there,
then it's not there."
273
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But they don't.
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It's you know,
you're so into the scene.
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I remember the first
makeup test that we did.
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We shot under green neon light.
It looked awful.
277
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Paul was confident
that he could make it look good
278
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with controlled lighting,
but he wanted to see it
279
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under its worst circumstances.
280
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So, we're screening
the test footage.
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Rob's sitting there going,
"Oh, that looks like crap.
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No, you can't shoot it that
way. That looks bad."
283
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And I was like devastated,
284
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'cause this just looks
like dead flesh.
285
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And then Rob
just gets up and walks out.
286
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I remember Paul is out there,
and they're almost
287
00:14:34,737 --> 00:14:38,340
getting into like,
a physical altercation.
288
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And Jon's there,
trying to calm Verhoeven down.
289
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And Rob's over Jon's back
just mocking Verhoeven.
290
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Yeah. That kind of thing.
291
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I mean, a very, very genius
guy, Rob Bottin.
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Difficult guy, but top, top.
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He built a forefront
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that looked like part
of the head was missing.
295
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So, from the side,
you would see it
296
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going like this, yeah, bop,
which is not possible,
297
00:15:07,805 --> 00:15:09,306
and it's like you're cutting
the head.
298
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The final makeup
was not an easy one to pull off.
299
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It was all in one piece.
There was no margin for error.
300
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And the face
took six and a half hours.
301
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Stephan Dupuis, genius.
302
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Three hours
of putting that thing on,
303
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and three and a half hours
of making it up.
304
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And I would go into zen mode,
zen meditation mode.
305
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There was a very particular way
306
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of it being applied, as opposed
to start from the edge out.
307
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It had to be started like
in the middle of the appliance,
308
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adjusted to fit the prongs
309
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to the back
of the fiberglass skull,
310
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and then work that way,
and then work this way
311
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so that it would like,
fit and blend,
312
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and uh, there was no kink,
313
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because you couldn't hide
anything.
314
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Then, you know,
if there was a kink somewhere,
315
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it would like, show up
on the screen like big time.
316
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It was 21 days for that face.
317
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I was going to put that face on
when the crew would come in
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from dinner at 1:30
in the morning.
319
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And then I got to put on a suit.
320
00:16:11,869 --> 00:16:14,037
So, that's like,
an eight-and-a-half-hour day
321
00:16:14,038 --> 00:16:16,707
before I've even turned
to camera, man.
322
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It was two and a half hours
to take it off,
323
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'cause they had to pull it off,
324
00:16:20,110 --> 00:16:22,011
otherwise,
my face looked like a zit.
325
00:16:22,012 --> 00:16:24,347
You can't just rip
that stuff off.
326
00:16:24,348 --> 00:16:26,015
You know, RoboCop gets shot in
the head,
327
00:16:26,016 --> 00:16:28,751
so I had to carry that bullet
hole over into the makeup
328
00:16:28,752 --> 00:16:30,586
that he wears
without his helmet.
329
00:16:30,587 --> 00:16:32,021
I remember thinking, you know,
"God, when I was a kid,
330
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I took apart the telephone once,
331
00:16:33,524 --> 00:16:36,059
and there's that little disc
with the dots in it,
332
00:16:36,060 --> 00:16:37,780
and he'll just have one of
those for an ear,
333
00:16:37,861 --> 00:16:39,429
you know,
where his ear should be."
334
00:16:39,430 --> 00:16:41,064
His organics
need to be supported.
335
00:16:41,065 --> 00:16:42,231
So, I thought
there should be some,
336
00:16:42,232 --> 00:16:43,466
probably tubes, coming out,
337
00:16:43,467 --> 00:16:45,235
maybe feeding into the skin,
you know?
338
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When I take off the helmet,
339
00:16:49,773 --> 00:16:52,708
if you'll notice,
the voice softens.
340
00:16:52,709 --> 00:16:54,945
Murphy had a wife and son.
What happened to them?
341
00:16:55,245 --> 00:16:56,680
It was a small adjustment.
342
00:16:57,081 --> 00:16:59,782
It's not that octave.
It's this octave.
343
00:16:59,783 --> 00:17:01,284
Where did they go?
344
00:17:01,285 --> 00:17:04,454
The most important line
in RoboCop is this:
345
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"I can feel them,
but I can't remember them."
346
00:17:08,492 --> 00:17:12,395
I can feel them,
but I can't remember them.
347
00:17:12,396 --> 00:17:15,432
And that's the saddest,
most excruciating line in it.
348
00:17:15,699 --> 00:17:17,468
And it cuts to this wide,
349
00:17:17,801 --> 00:17:21,337
and here's this steel mill
that is decrepit.
350
00:17:21,338 --> 00:17:25,441
It was once shiny and beautiful,
and then here's RoboCop...
351
00:17:25,442 --> 00:17:26,742
Leave me alone.
352
00:17:26,743 --> 00:17:27,943
Who was once a shiny thing,
353
00:17:28,145 --> 00:17:30,980
and he's all beat up
and shot up.
354
00:17:30,981 --> 00:17:34,784
That's what it is to be alive,
is who we love, our memories.
355
00:17:34,785 --> 00:17:36,652
The bewildering gift
356
00:17:36,653 --> 00:17:39,056
of this film
is loss and rebirth.
357
00:17:40,757 --> 00:17:44,460
But the travesty and the drama,
358
00:17:44,461 --> 00:17:47,096
and essentially,
the tragedy of it,
359
00:17:47,097 --> 00:17:51,269
he'll never get it back.
'Cause it's gone.
360
00:18:04,782 --> 00:18:08,085
There was an area called
"Deep Elm" down in Dallas.
361
00:18:08,086 --> 00:18:09,920
It was sort of like
an art district.
362
00:18:09,921 --> 00:18:11,488
The art department built
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00:18:11,489 --> 00:18:14,125
all these shops
with empty windows
364
00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:16,860
so that you could see
the lights and everything.
365
00:18:16,861 --> 00:18:18,696
It was nice, very nicely done.
366
00:18:23,968 --> 00:18:25,335
There was something about
the grittiness of that
367
00:18:25,336 --> 00:18:26,837
that really worked well.
368
00:18:26,838 --> 00:18:29,039
And you had the skyline
in the background.
369
00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,941
So, there were things
that were practical.
370
00:18:30,942 --> 00:18:33,310
It was a bigger production
than Dallas was used to,
371
00:18:33,311 --> 00:18:36,647
which made everybody work
harder, made for long hours.
372
00:18:36,648 --> 00:18:39,016
I mean, one time,
I did four 20-hour days.
373
00:18:39,017 --> 00:18:40,585
I mean,
that's the kind of job it was.
374
00:18:40,952 --> 00:18:42,587
And the discomfort of it all,
375
00:18:42,820 --> 00:18:45,489
and the violence of it all,
actually created
376
00:18:45,490 --> 00:18:47,558
a lot of what you see on screen,
377
00:18:47,559 --> 00:18:49,194
and a lot of
it's really authentic.
378
00:18:49,494 --> 00:18:50,527
We hung out, and we talked,
379
00:18:50,528 --> 00:18:52,696
and we went,
and we drank together.
380
00:18:52,697 --> 00:18:54,599
We just kind of played off
of each other.
381
00:18:54,799 --> 00:18:56,433
It was like everybody
kind of understood
382
00:18:56,434 --> 00:18:58,702
where they were coming from
as a character,
383
00:18:58,703 --> 00:19:02,272
and we just threw it all in,
and it... it... it mixed up well.
384
00:19:02,273 --> 00:19:03,241
Hey, Emil.
385
00:19:03,242 --> 00:19:05,442
- Hey.
- How's the Gray Bar Hotel?
386
00:19:05,443 --> 00:19:08,812
Not bad. I got to keep the
shirt. Nobody popped my cherry.
387
00:19:08,813 --> 00:19:10,714
Most of them went above
388
00:19:10,715 --> 00:19:13,350
and beyond the call of duty
with their roles,
389
00:19:13,351 --> 00:19:18,255
and really made them come
to life with unique characters
390
00:19:18,256 --> 00:19:20,157
rather than just the bad guy.
391
00:19:20,158 --> 00:19:21,358
Hey!
392
00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,527
First, they let me out of jail
for free,
393
00:19:23,528 --> 00:19:26,430
then look what I found
in the prison parking lot.
394
00:19:26,431 --> 00:19:29,299
A brand-new 6,000 SUX,
395
00:19:29,300 --> 00:19:30,268
still got the factory sticker
on it.
396
00:19:30,269 --> 00:19:31,535
Hey, Clarence!
397
00:19:31,536 --> 00:19:33,571
Joey's got a car
just like yours, man.
398
00:19:35,473 --> 00:19:37,408
What do you think, Clarence,
huh? Huh?
399
00:19:39,611 --> 00:19:41,745
I always saw this character
400
00:19:41,746 --> 00:19:45,483
and kind of the gang in general
as guys that were having fun.
401
00:19:48,253 --> 00:19:49,753
I had had some experience
402
00:19:49,754 --> 00:19:54,424
with the... the Barrett M82,
.50 caliber, semi-automatic,
403
00:19:54,425 --> 00:19:57,127
and so, I showed it to 'em.
They liked it.
404
00:19:57,128 --> 00:20:00,798
Whoa! A new toy! Can I play?
405
00:20:01,032 --> 00:20:02,566
We purchased three of 'em.
406
00:20:02,567 --> 00:20:03,567
So, we had four total.
407
00:20:03,901 --> 00:20:06,270
Take one!
408
00:20:06,271 --> 00:20:07,271
Ooh, shit!
409
00:20:07,272 --> 00:20:09,106
- Nice car, Joe!
- Let me try it, fuck!
410
00:20:09,107 --> 00:20:10,874
- Let me try it!
- Hey, watch your mouth.
411
00:20:10,875 --> 00:20:12,809
Cobra assault cannon.
412
00:20:12,810 --> 00:20:15,479
State-of-the-art, bang, bang!
413
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,116
They're like 50-caliber machine
guns that you mount on boats.
414
00:20:19,117 --> 00:20:20,751
That's what they mainly
use them for.
415
00:20:20,752 --> 00:20:22,819
And they were pretty hefty.
416
00:20:22,820 --> 00:20:24,488
I think there were probably
about, you know,
417
00:20:24,489 --> 00:20:26,056
40 or 50 pounds.
418
00:20:26,057 --> 00:20:27,658
We had a dummy, of course.
419
00:20:27,659 --> 00:20:30,527
But we had to have the real ones
when we fired them.
420
00:20:30,528 --> 00:20:31,529
Clarence, come on!
421
00:20:33,665 --> 00:20:35,333
The Cobra assault cannons,
422
00:20:35,334 --> 00:20:37,368
initially, we were gonna put
a camera
423
00:20:37,369 --> 00:20:38,703
where it appears
to be an eyepiece
424
00:20:38,704 --> 00:20:40,438
that was gonna be forward,
425
00:20:40,439 --> 00:20:43,908
and the back end of the scope
was going to be a screen.
426
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:47,979
There wasn't the budget to build
four or five working scopes,
427
00:20:47,980 --> 00:20:49,814
and so, it was just a big block
428
00:20:49,815 --> 00:20:51,683
with all the fins
and everything on it.
429
00:20:51,684 --> 00:20:53,718
In terms of preparing to shoot,
430
00:20:53,719 --> 00:20:56,854
they said, "Here.
Okay, hold it this way.
431
00:20:56,855 --> 00:20:58,656
Okay, pull the trigger."
432
00:20:58,657 --> 00:20:59,657
Whoo!
433
00:20:59,658 --> 00:21:01,727
Yeah!
434
00:21:03,329 --> 00:21:05,830
They was like, "No.
We didn't have a lot of prep."
435
00:21:05,831 --> 00:21:08,533
I just remember
trying to get them in the car.
436
00:21:08,534 --> 00:21:10,374
Fired, then I get in the car,
and I was like...
437
00:21:12,571 --> 00:21:13,938
Parker.
438
00:21:13,939 --> 00:21:16,474
Take it out. And action!
439
00:21:16,475 --> 00:21:19,178
The thing I get most quoted for
is, "I like it."
440
00:21:21,046 --> 00:21:23,648
- Whoo!
- I like it!
441
00:21:23,649 --> 00:21:24,982
And most people
442
00:21:24,983 --> 00:21:26,985
will come up to me,
and say, "Oh, I like it!"
443
00:21:28,153 --> 00:21:29,488
So, I say,
"That'll be $5."
444
00:21:29,822 --> 00:21:31,489
I like it!
445
00:21:31,490 --> 00:21:33,358
And that line
was not my invention.
446
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:34,759
That actually was scripted.
447
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,861
And I think
it was the boom operator,
448
00:21:36,862 --> 00:21:37,896
if I remember right.
449
00:21:38,297 --> 00:21:39,964
And he talked about it
reminding him
450
00:21:39,965 --> 00:21:42,000
of a Chevy Chase film
where he says,
451
00:21:42,234 --> 00:21:45,738
"I like it" in some crazy way,
which I actually hadn't seen.
452
00:21:48,540 --> 00:21:49,775
I like it!
453
00:21:50,309 --> 00:21:51,877
Just his saying that triggered
454
00:21:52,144 --> 00:21:54,846
this idea in me,
and that's why the reading
455
00:21:54,847 --> 00:21:56,048
came out the way that it did.
456
00:21:56,348 --> 00:21:58,150
I like it!
457
00:21:58,350 --> 00:21:59,817
Originally, there was a scene
458
00:21:59,818 --> 00:22:02,320
where Clarence's gang
go to a pet shop,
459
00:22:02,321 --> 00:22:04,356
and there's a little puppy
in a window.
460
00:22:04,723 --> 00:22:06,791
And they have those guns,
and they point it,
461
00:22:06,792 --> 00:22:08,426
and one of them goes, "Nah."
462
00:22:08,427 --> 00:22:10,561
And they turn around,
and they start to walk off.
463
00:22:10,562 --> 00:22:12,263
But then they turn back,
and they kill the puppy,
464
00:22:12,264 --> 00:22:14,732
and they blow up the pet store.
465
00:22:14,733 --> 00:22:17,869
Now, if you know anything
about film taboos at that time,
466
00:22:17,870 --> 00:22:19,804
you were never supposed
to kill a pet.
467
00:22:19,805 --> 00:22:21,773
Wow!
468
00:22:21,774 --> 00:22:22,807
I like it!
469
00:22:22,808 --> 00:22:24,276
"I like it!" Boom!
470
00:22:27,746 --> 00:22:28,913
It was a Friday night.
471
00:22:28,914 --> 00:22:31,215
They shot all night,
and I had a hot date.
472
00:22:31,216 --> 00:22:32,884
She wanted to go to the set.
473
00:22:32,885 --> 00:22:35,921
And man, they had done
something to that street.
474
00:22:36,188 --> 00:22:37,889
And that was one of the scenes
where, you know,
475
00:22:37,890 --> 00:22:39,257
we had a big fight
476
00:22:39,258 --> 00:22:40,892
in order to make sure the actors
didn't get too close.
477
00:22:40,893 --> 00:22:42,894
And then Paul would say,
"Okay, get a little closer.
478
00:22:42,895 --> 00:22:43,829
Actors,
would you get a little closer?
479
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:44,896
Get a little closer?"
480
00:22:44,897 --> 00:22:46,631
Of course,
there was a lot of stunts.
481
00:22:46,632 --> 00:22:47,632
Yeah!
482
00:22:48,934 --> 00:22:50,769
And there was a lot
of explosions.
483
00:22:52,137 --> 00:22:55,040
And some of the explosions
were extraordinary enough.
484
00:22:57,976 --> 00:23:00,311
There's an explosion, basically,
when they have these new guns,
485
00:23:00,312 --> 00:23:01,679
and they shoot in the street.
486
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,749
And I remember that the actors
were nearly blown away.
487
00:23:04,750 --> 00:23:06,584
Hey, make a camera mark.
488
00:23:06,585 --> 00:23:07,952
And background.
489
00:23:07,953 --> 00:23:09,654
Background action.
490
00:23:09,655 --> 00:23:11,289
Now, it's a real street, right,
that they're shooting on.
491
00:23:11,290 --> 00:23:13,691
So, they buy out one side of it,
they load it up,
492
00:23:13,692 --> 00:23:15,093
'cause they're gonna blow it up.
493
00:23:15,494 --> 00:23:18,230
On the other side, are stores
and people living above it.
494
00:23:18,231 --> 00:23:20,999
So, the AD comes out
with a bullhorn, right?
495
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,145
And he says that the people
that are in their apartments,
496
00:23:23,169 --> 00:23:26,238
he says, "Please step back
from the windows."
497
00:23:26,239 --> 00:23:28,674
"Go back. You're not safe there.
Go back."
498
00:23:28,675 --> 00:23:30,409
"These are live charges.
499
00:23:30,410 --> 00:23:32,778
Please step back
from the windows.
500
00:23:32,779 --> 00:23:35,414
Actors, stand right here."
501
00:23:35,415 --> 00:23:37,783
So, we were just like, "Dude."
502
00:23:37,784 --> 00:23:38,784
Shit.
503
00:23:38,985 --> 00:23:40,519
And I looked at Kurtwood,
504
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,088
thinking, "If they're not safe,
what are we doing right here?"
505
00:23:43,089 --> 00:23:45,289
But we hear, "Roll, and action."
And I pull the trigger.
506
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,695
And all I remember
is a wall of flame
507
00:23:49,696 --> 00:23:50,964
coming straight at me.
508
00:23:53,433 --> 00:23:54,900
And we were all like...
509
00:23:54,901 --> 00:23:55,969
Heads up, you guys!
510
00:23:59,038 --> 00:24:01,507
You can see even the actors
doing this, you know?
511
00:24:01,508 --> 00:24:03,810
Because it was much bigger
than everybody thought.
512
00:24:06,746 --> 00:24:07,847
I turned around,
513
00:24:08,281 --> 00:24:10,149
and Kurtwood Smith's jacket
is smoking.
514
00:24:10,483 --> 00:24:12,184
We were just close enough
515
00:24:12,185 --> 00:24:14,486
to feel some
of the little pieces of glass
516
00:24:14,487 --> 00:24:16,990
hit us on the side of the face,
a little bit, little...
517
00:24:17,357 --> 00:24:19,458
Tiny little slivers.
518
00:24:19,459 --> 00:24:22,194
And we had a couple of
blood spots on our face.
519
00:24:22,195 --> 00:24:25,131
And that was a $500-bump,
as I recall.
520
00:24:25,365 --> 00:24:28,667
They actually ended up paying us
stunt pay for that.
521
00:24:28,668 --> 00:24:29,835
- Whoo!
- Go, go, go, go, go!
522
00:24:29,836 --> 00:24:31,571
Hey, the guns are trick,
Clarence.
523
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,909
And stuff is blowing up
and blowing up.
524
00:24:36,209 --> 00:24:38,677
I said to myself,
"I need to sit back."
525
00:24:38,678 --> 00:24:40,438
And I sat back,
and a piece of glass comes...
526
00:24:41,414 --> 00:24:43,348
straight through the truck.
527
00:24:43,349 --> 00:24:46,385
I was like, "Dude,
this is, like, way too real."
528
00:24:46,386 --> 00:24:47,619
My favorite thing
about the whole thing
529
00:24:47,620 --> 00:24:49,388
was that Paul afterwards
came up to me,
530
00:24:49,389 --> 00:24:52,492
and he said, "You know,
normally, I don't ask an actor
531
00:24:52,692 --> 00:24:54,726
to do something that
I won't do myself,
532
00:24:54,727 --> 00:24:57,396
but this time,
I think I don't do it."
533
00:24:57,397 --> 00:24:58,897
No.
534
00:24:58,898 --> 00:25:02,100
That night, when we blew up
that street completely,
535
00:25:02,101 --> 00:25:05,370
was one of the most fun nights
I've ever had in my career.
536
00:25:05,371 --> 00:25:07,440
But charity work
ain't your style, man.
537
00:25:09,943 --> 00:25:12,611
What's the real deal
behind this turkey shoot?
538
00:25:12,612 --> 00:25:14,346
Delta City, man.
539
00:25:14,347 --> 00:25:16,916
I figure it's the future
of organized crime.
540
00:25:18,985 --> 00:25:22,055
Good business
is where you find it.
541
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:26,124
Goin' to the steel yard,
round 'em up.
542
00:25:26,125 --> 00:25:28,360
- All right. Cut the whole street.
- We're movin' out!
543
00:25:28,361 --> 00:25:30,096
Come on, Emil,
get your ass in the truck!
544
00:25:30,363 --> 00:25:33,231
I could tell from the dailies
that the action was working.
545
00:25:33,232 --> 00:25:35,101
You know,
the action was really working.
546
00:25:39,572 --> 00:25:41,473
There was a sequence
in the third act
547
00:25:41,474 --> 00:25:44,843
where there was a car chase
on the way to the steel mill.
548
00:25:44,844 --> 00:25:47,746
And when we were in Dallas,
it was on the schedule.
549
00:25:47,747 --> 00:25:49,949
I looked at that one day,
and thought,
550
00:25:50,383 --> 00:25:51,383
"We don't really need this."
551
00:25:51,384 --> 00:25:52,484
We could just go
from here to here.
552
00:25:52,485 --> 00:25:53,852
And so, I brought it up
in a production meeting,
553
00:25:53,853 --> 00:25:54,920
and they were all like, "Fuck."
554
00:25:54,921 --> 00:25:56,822
And Paul went,
"Yeah, yeah, we don't."
555
00:25:56,823 --> 00:25:57,823
'Cause that was like,
556
00:25:57,824 --> 00:25:59,291
a half a day
or a day of shooting.
557
00:25:59,292 --> 00:26:00,593
And it's not saving money.
558
00:26:00,927 --> 00:26:03,329
It's more like saving
the audience time.
559
00:26:03,330 --> 00:26:05,765
So, you know, I expected them
to be really happy with me
560
00:26:05,766 --> 00:26:06,866
for doing that,
but they weren't.
561
00:26:06,867 --> 00:26:08,969
They just were like,
"Yeah, go away." So...
562
00:26:12,406 --> 00:26:14,240
I remember at the hotel,
563
00:26:14,241 --> 00:26:17,310
going out with the Robo team
with Rob and drinking a lot
564
00:26:17,311 --> 00:26:18,411
with Peter Weller,
565
00:26:18,412 --> 00:26:20,647
and then Peter and him
would get into it.
566
00:26:20,648 --> 00:26:23,149
And they were like
fucking around with each other
567
00:26:23,150 --> 00:26:25,585
all the time, you know?
568
00:26:25,586 --> 00:26:27,053
Rob's a sweet guy.
569
00:26:27,054 --> 00:26:28,788
Maybe... maybe
he doesn't like me.
570
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:30,624
I don't know. I... I mean...
571
00:26:30,958 --> 00:26:32,091
They got into it like,
572
00:26:32,092 --> 00:26:33,893
"I'm making more money
than you are,"
573
00:26:33,894 --> 00:26:36,063
and so on and so forth.
574
00:26:36,463 --> 00:26:38,164
I called Rob,
and apologized to him.
575
00:26:38,165 --> 00:26:41,067
And I apologized to him again
for any kind of wound
576
00:26:41,068 --> 00:26:43,903
that he might have suffered
from my insolent mouth talking
577
00:26:43,904 --> 00:26:45,984
about whatever the difficulties
of movie-making were.
578
00:26:46,140 --> 00:26:47,707
Because he was nothing more
than inventive,
579
00:26:47,708 --> 00:26:49,509
and creative, and fantastic.
580
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:52,045
I have to tell you,
I must have been very obnoxious,
581
00:26:52,046 --> 00:26:54,257
'cause at a certain point,
Jon just stopped talking to me.
582
00:26:54,281 --> 00:26:55,682
- And... and it was like...
- No.
583
00:26:55,683 --> 00:26:56,916
You know?
584
00:26:56,917 --> 00:26:58,484
And occasionally,
he would say something,
585
00:26:58,485 --> 00:27:00,687
like he'd come by and see me
doing something,
586
00:27:00,688 --> 00:27:01,721
and he was like,
"Oh, there's the writer
587
00:27:01,722 --> 00:27:02,882
fucking everything up again."
588
00:27:03,090 --> 00:27:05,558
No, I don't wanna go there.
589
00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:09,495
And Jon Davison fired me
off the picture in Dallas.
590
00:27:09,496 --> 00:27:10,730
Right before
we were gonna leave Dallas,
591
00:27:10,731 --> 00:27:11,898
he said, "You're wrapped."
592
00:27:11,899 --> 00:27:13,399
"You probably have enough."
593
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,901
And I was like devastated.
594
00:27:14,902 --> 00:27:17,403
I was just devastated
that you would separate me
595
00:27:17,404 --> 00:27:18,404
from this movie.
596
00:27:18,672 --> 00:27:21,174
And Paul Verhoeven
had to go to him, and say...
597
00:27:21,175 --> 00:27:23,042
"No, we have to take
the writer with us
598
00:27:23,043 --> 00:27:24,178
to Pittsburgh."
599
00:27:30,317 --> 00:27:35,688
When RoboCop practices his aim,
the baby jars are the metaphor.
600
00:27:35,689 --> 00:27:39,258
What RoboCop is doing there
is annihilating
601
00:27:39,259 --> 00:27:44,197
the force-fed problem.
And that's how technology
602
00:27:44,198 --> 00:27:47,500
is thinking of him
as their baby.
603
00:27:47,501 --> 00:27:48,502
He's killing it.
604
00:27:49,937 --> 00:27:53,773
And he's annihilating the thing
that technology gave him
605
00:27:53,774 --> 00:27:55,608
to keep him sapling.
606
00:27:55,609 --> 00:27:58,544
My targeting system
is a little messed up.
607
00:27:58,545 --> 00:28:02,615
And he's asking
another human being for help.
608
00:28:02,616 --> 00:28:04,218
He is becoming Murphy.
609
00:28:08,155 --> 00:28:09,155
Can I help you?
610
00:28:10,090 --> 00:28:11,524
Aim for me.
611
00:28:11,525 --> 00:28:13,126
In the abandoned third draft,
612
00:28:13,127 --> 00:28:16,262
there may have been
a romantic idea there.
613
00:28:16,263 --> 00:28:18,397
It sounds like something
Paul would have wanted to do.
614
00:28:18,398 --> 00:28:22,301
I had no idea about any of that
until we all did a Qandamp;A.
615
00:28:22,302 --> 00:28:23,569
And I heard that story.
I thought,
616
00:28:23,570 --> 00:28:25,610
"Oh, that's interesting.
I never heard that before."
617
00:28:25,839 --> 00:28:27,907
In some ways, Paul and other
directors are always trying
618
00:28:27,908 --> 00:28:29,642
to get a kiss in at the end
of a movie.
619
00:28:29,643 --> 00:28:31,144
It's not always necessary.
620
00:28:31,145 --> 00:28:33,312
Yeah. I'm glad it...
It didn't go that way.
621
00:28:33,313 --> 00:28:35,415
That would have been
kind of strange.
622
00:28:35,749 --> 00:28:37,817
More to the left.
623
00:28:37,818 --> 00:28:38,851
Here.
624
00:28:38,852 --> 00:28:40,086
One of the things that's cool
625
00:28:40,087 --> 00:28:41,567
about the relationship
between them is
626
00:28:41,622 --> 00:28:44,258
it's a non-romantic,
a non-sexist,
627
00:28:44,725 --> 00:28:45,725
in a way, relationship.
628
00:28:46,026 --> 00:28:48,395
And I think that Paul
really embraced that as well.
629
00:28:48,396 --> 00:28:49,997
I figure that's dead-on.
630
00:28:49,998 --> 00:28:50,998
Thank you.
631
00:28:53,768 --> 00:28:55,002
The scene was written
632
00:28:55,003 --> 00:28:58,505
in the original story
for a car cemetery.
633
00:28:58,506 --> 00:29:00,941
You see all these cars
on top of each other.
634
00:29:00,942 --> 00:29:03,344
That was written
for that, basically.
635
00:29:03,745 --> 00:29:05,579
But then for some way,
we couldn't find it.
636
00:29:05,580 --> 00:29:08,116
And then somebody was talking
about a steel factory.
637
00:29:11,686 --> 00:29:13,487
When we were shooting
Joe's death scene...
638
00:29:13,488 --> 00:29:14,822
Dammit!
639
00:29:14,823 --> 00:29:17,491
First of all,
falling with a 45-pound gun,
640
00:29:17,492 --> 00:29:19,359
you really
gotta position yourself,
641
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,161
so you don't break a finger
or something.
642
00:29:21,162 --> 00:29:22,162
Looking for me?
643
00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:26,834
Man, when that shit blew up,
644
00:29:26,835 --> 00:29:31,038
I had bruises on my chest
like for a month.
645
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:34,875
They hit so hard, I was like,
"I'm okay. It's okay."
646
00:29:34,876 --> 00:29:37,477
"I'm... I'm all right."
647
00:29:37,478 --> 00:29:39,479
Boy, I had to try to man up
behind that,
648
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,981
but you know, tears
were kinda like
649
00:29:40,982 --> 00:29:42,816
coming out the side of my eye.
650
00:29:42,817 --> 00:29:44,618
I was so glad
I was laying on the ground,
651
00:29:44,619 --> 00:29:47,555
nobody could see me.
That shit hurt.
652
00:29:50,825 --> 00:29:54,194
The process of making a movie
makes everybody an asshole.
653
00:29:54,195 --> 00:29:59,199
"Why is my Winnebago
not in front of the studio?
654
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,567
I have to walk!"
655
00:30:00,568 --> 00:30:04,204
You know, that was me.
I did that. I became that guy.
656
00:30:04,205 --> 00:30:06,073
And hopefully,
I'm not that guy now,
657
00:30:06,074 --> 00:30:09,009
but I was definitely that guy
to some people.
658
00:30:09,010 --> 00:30:11,044
And I'm sure
a couple of people thought
659
00:30:11,045 --> 00:30:16,350
that I was, you know, uh,
not necessarily a nice guy.
660
00:30:16,351 --> 00:30:19,287
I can think of two people,
and I probably wasn't.
661
00:30:20,688 --> 00:30:22,089
When we were in Monessen,
Pennsylvania,
662
00:30:22,090 --> 00:30:23,724
shooting the steel mill,
663
00:30:23,725 --> 00:30:26,193
Peter's upstairs.
We were up two or three floors.
664
00:30:26,194 --> 00:30:27,962
You had to go upstairs
to get to him.
665
00:30:28,363 --> 00:30:30,097
We had an explosion behind him.
666
00:30:30,098 --> 00:30:32,567
We'd make the explosion hot.
We were ready to go.
667
00:30:33,735 --> 00:30:36,536
I went upstairs,
and I was carrying,
668
00:30:36,537 --> 00:30:40,140
I don't know, about eight Oreos
you know, in a stack.
669
00:30:40,141 --> 00:30:43,110
I'd hand him his weapon.
I say, "Peter, safety's off."
670
00:30:43,111 --> 00:30:45,045
And he wouldn't take the pistol.
671
00:30:45,046 --> 00:30:48,048
And he says,
"Robo wants an Oreo."
672
00:30:48,049 --> 00:30:49,383
And I looked at him, and I go,
673
00:30:49,384 --> 00:30:51,286
"No.
It's just you and I, Peter.
674
00:30:51,753 --> 00:30:53,387
Robo doesn't get an Oreo.
675
00:30:53,388 --> 00:30:56,457
If Peter wants an Oreo,
Peter can have an Oreo."
676
00:30:56,758 --> 00:30:59,960
And he clip-clops in the suit
over to the edge of the railing,
677
00:30:59,961 --> 00:31:03,530
and Peter starts bellowing,
"Robo wants an Oreo."
678
00:31:03,531 --> 00:31:05,699
And when the steel mill
just echoes,
679
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:08,803
"Randy has Oreos"
or "Robo wants an Oreo."
680
00:31:09,137 --> 00:31:10,637
And Steve Lim
over the radio goes,
681
00:31:10,638 --> 00:31:12,106
Uh, Randy, do you have Oreos?
682
00:31:12,307 --> 00:31:16,143
So, I stuffed that whole stack
in my mouth,
683
00:31:16,144 --> 00:31:18,545
and then crunched them,
and let 'em fall down
684
00:31:18,546 --> 00:31:20,026
three stories
onto everybody below me.
685
00:31:20,248 --> 00:31:25,787
And I, "Not anymore."
And Robo got upset.
686
00:31:26,020 --> 00:31:28,188
I haven't got a damn clue
687
00:31:28,189 --> 00:31:32,560
about Randy Moore
and his fuckin' Oreos.
688
00:31:32,561 --> 00:31:34,730
Randy Moore's a friend,
but half the time,
689
00:31:34,997 --> 00:31:36,797
I don't know what the hell
he's talking about.
690
00:31:37,566 --> 00:31:41,169
So, he's got all these stories
from RoboCop.
691
00:31:41,170 --> 00:31:42,370
I don't remember 'em.
692
00:31:42,371 --> 00:31:43,671
Steve Lim's going,
693
00:31:43,672 --> 00:31:46,175
"Can we get this shot?
And then Robo can have an Oreo."
694
00:31:46,675 --> 00:31:49,978
And Peter said, "No."
So, they had to cut.
695
00:31:49,979 --> 00:31:51,579
They were rolling.
They were ready to go.
696
00:31:51,847 --> 00:31:53,515
Now, we're hot on the explosive.
697
00:31:53,816 --> 00:31:56,184
They had to send a PA
up the stairs.
698
00:31:56,185 --> 00:31:57,785
They feed him an Oreo.
699
00:31:57,786 --> 00:31:59,821
And now, he's got Oreo
in his teeth.
700
00:31:59,822 --> 00:32:03,291
So, then the PA has to pick
the Oreos out of his teeth.
701
00:32:03,292 --> 00:32:04,826
And then he says,
"Okay, I'm ready,"
702
00:32:04,827 --> 00:32:05,861
and then we shot it.
703
00:32:08,864 --> 00:32:10,765
So, after that,
Peter would always say,
704
00:32:10,766 --> 00:32:12,500
"Robo wants an Oreo."
705
00:32:12,501 --> 00:32:14,635
So, I had a gentleman
that worked with me.
706
00:32:14,636 --> 00:32:16,471
And his official title
should have been
707
00:32:16,472 --> 00:32:18,806
The Peter Feeder,
because that's what the crew
708
00:32:18,807 --> 00:32:20,209
called him,
as "The Peter Feeder",
709
00:32:20,476 --> 00:32:23,878
because for some reason,
weapons had to feed Peter Oreos.
710
00:32:23,879 --> 00:32:27,849
Randy, love you madly.
711
00:32:27,850 --> 00:32:31,720
I don't believe one fucking word
out of your mouth, bro.
712
00:32:39,628 --> 00:32:40,962
I thought Ed and Mike's script
713
00:32:40,963 --> 00:32:43,197
was really good
and really smart.
714
00:32:43,198 --> 00:32:45,900
And I thought the film improved
on the script,
715
00:32:45,901 --> 00:32:47,669
which I was really happy about.
716
00:32:49,405 --> 00:32:50,671
There in that scene,
it was one of those, you know,
717
00:32:50,672 --> 00:32:52,041
just survival.
718
00:32:53,108 --> 00:32:54,375
Well, he doesn't really run,
719
00:32:54,376 --> 00:32:55,911
but he gets out of the way
very fast.
720
00:32:56,111 --> 00:32:57,079
I mean,
it was one of those things
721
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,514
that you can only do
722
00:32:59,515 --> 00:33:01,050
what the suit
would allow you to do.
723
00:33:01,383 --> 00:33:03,986
Okay! Now, I've got ya!
724
00:33:05,554 --> 00:33:07,755
You're standing there,
and as he's coming at you,
725
00:33:07,756 --> 00:33:09,123
you just have to get out
of the way
726
00:33:09,124 --> 00:33:10,893
at the very last moment.
727
00:33:12,428 --> 00:33:14,729
And one of those things
is you just got to time it
728
00:33:14,730 --> 00:33:15,697
to where you go, "Okay.
729
00:33:15,698 --> 00:33:17,018
How fast can I move
in this suit?"
730
00:33:19,201 --> 00:33:22,103
Everything was very meticulous.
Peter would correct me,
731
00:33:22,104 --> 00:33:24,573
and he goes, "Okay, do this,
'cause this is what I would do."
732
00:33:26,308 --> 00:33:29,243
- I like the melting man gag.
- I think that's a lot of fun.
733
00:33:29,244 --> 00:33:30,578
You go in this tank,
and you wash out,
734
00:33:30,579 --> 00:33:31,879
you become a monster.
735
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,920
Those are the kind of things
that I think are funny.
736
00:33:35,117 --> 00:33:36,661
I remember Rob coming
into the room, and saying,
737
00:33:36,685 --> 00:33:38,920
"Oh shit, we've got to create
this makeup for this character."
738
00:33:38,921 --> 00:33:41,456
He gets thrown into a vat
of toxic radioactive waste,
739
00:33:41,457 --> 00:33:42,558
and he starts to melt.
740
00:33:48,430 --> 00:33:50,565
The toxic waste section
was a stunt guy
741
00:33:50,566 --> 00:33:52,868
that did the actual roll out
of the stuff.
742
00:33:56,872 --> 00:33:59,508
But then getting up,
obviously, was me.
743
00:34:06,448 --> 00:34:08,116
We have pictures of the actor.
744
00:34:08,117 --> 00:34:10,251
I did some tracings of him,
and then Rob
745
00:34:10,252 --> 00:34:12,753
brought me a picture of a guy
who's got stung
746
00:34:12,754 --> 00:34:16,592
by a wasp on his eye,
and his eye was swollen up huge.
747
00:34:16,593 --> 00:34:17,960
So, I incorporated that
into the design.
748
00:34:17,961 --> 00:34:19,138
I think he just said,
"Go for it."
749
00:34:19,162 --> 00:34:20,896
He said, "Imagine
that the guy's skin
750
00:34:20,897 --> 00:34:22,464
is made of ice cream
and it's starting to melt
751
00:34:22,465 --> 00:34:23,466
off of his body."
752
00:34:26,603 --> 00:34:28,003
We shot that over two days.
753
00:34:28,004 --> 00:34:30,807
The first day, it was six
and a half hours of makeup
754
00:34:31,107 --> 00:34:32,075
before we started shooting,
755
00:34:32,076 --> 00:34:35,511
where Rob Bottin's team,
great, great guys,
756
00:34:35,512 --> 00:34:39,681
literally were like gluing
this torso prosthesis on me
757
00:34:39,682 --> 00:34:41,683
every square inch.
758
00:34:41,684 --> 00:34:43,285
I think we had two different
stages on the head.
759
00:34:43,286 --> 00:34:45,454
I think the first stage
was mainly this side,
760
00:34:45,455 --> 00:34:49,458
and we used a fair amount
of his face over here.
761
00:34:49,459 --> 00:34:51,960
Also, added
this little road rash.
762
00:34:51,961 --> 00:34:54,530
That was a continuity thing
from when he fell off
763
00:34:54,531 --> 00:34:56,098
the motorcycle
at the gas station.
764
00:34:56,099 --> 00:34:57,833
You're dead. We killed you!
765
00:34:57,834 --> 00:34:59,168
And then when he comes
766
00:34:59,169 --> 00:35:01,537
staggering out a little later
and gets hit by the car,
767
00:35:01,538 --> 00:35:04,574
then we had a facial piece
on the other side as well.
768
00:35:11,548 --> 00:35:13,949
We were eating,
sleeping RoboCop, you know?
769
00:35:13,950 --> 00:35:16,385
We were in the shop
working at night,
770
00:35:16,386 --> 00:35:17,686
repairing stuff,
771
00:35:17,687 --> 00:35:19,688
and then shooting it
during the day.
772
00:35:19,689 --> 00:35:21,357
It was nonstop.
773
00:35:25,962 --> 00:35:29,131
I think we showed up to work
at 3:00 in the morning
774
00:35:29,132 --> 00:35:32,001
and didn't leave until 2:00
at night.
775
00:35:32,368 --> 00:35:34,403
So, it was a long, long day.
776
00:35:34,404 --> 00:35:35,837
We shot it,
777
00:35:35,838 --> 00:35:37,673
and it was about two
or three hours to take it off.
778
00:35:37,674 --> 00:35:39,575
The next day, they got it down
to, as I recall,
779
00:35:39,576 --> 00:35:40,816
about three hours to put it on.
780
00:35:49,285 --> 00:35:50,519
Hands were part of it,
781
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,020
and he wanted to see
finger bones sticking out.
782
00:35:52,021 --> 00:35:54,056
And I said, "Well, are you gonna
have a melting effect
783
00:35:54,057 --> 00:35:55,557
or is this gonna be all done
in rubber?"
784
00:35:55,558 --> 00:35:57,192
"No, no, no. We're just
gonna do it all out of rubber."
785
00:35:57,193 --> 00:35:59,061
"Okay. So, you want like,
melting skin like hanging down
786
00:35:59,062 --> 00:36:00,295
like it's dripping?"
"Yeah, yeah, yeah.
787
00:36:00,296 --> 00:36:01,363
"It'll just... it'll work.
788
00:36:01,364 --> 00:36:02,564
We'll just wave the ends
of the fingers,
789
00:36:02,565 --> 00:36:04,399
and they'll just kind of dangle,
and it'll work."
790
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:05,734
I tried to take
791
00:36:05,735 --> 00:36:07,436
physical positions
that seemed to reflect
792
00:36:07,437 --> 00:36:08,604
what he had designed.
793
00:36:08,605 --> 00:36:10,239
I looked in the mirror
once I had the thing on.
794
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:12,275
Help me.
795
00:36:13,643 --> 00:36:14,644
The vocalizations I did
796
00:36:15,078 --> 00:36:17,413
and all that kind of stuff
were just my playing with things
797
00:36:17,647 --> 00:36:21,050
based on what Paul asked for
and what Rob had built.
798
00:36:25,121 --> 00:36:26,722
My favorite line of the movie,
799
00:36:26,723 --> 00:36:28,857
Leon comes running
around the corner,
800
00:36:28,858 --> 00:36:30,292
Paul comes up to him,
801
00:36:30,293 --> 00:36:33,028
and his fingers are melting,
and his face is melting.
802
00:36:33,029 --> 00:36:39,234
And Leon does not want him
to melt on him.
803
00:36:39,235 --> 00:36:42,772
So, he says,
"Don't touch me, man!"
804
00:36:43,106 --> 00:36:45,041
Don't touch me, man!
805
00:36:47,076 --> 00:36:48,277
It's one of those things
806
00:36:48,278 --> 00:36:51,613
I'm glad that I did,
but I wouldn't particularly
807
00:36:51,614 --> 00:36:52,782
wanna do it again.
808
00:36:55,451 --> 00:36:58,353
There's one shot
with the wheel cap coming loose.
809
00:36:58,354 --> 00:36:59,955
I mean, this was not planned
that way.
810
00:36:59,956 --> 00:37:00,957
It just happened.
811
00:37:01,125 --> 00:37:03,994
I was in the camera,
and I heard it like, whee,
812
00:37:04,428 --> 00:37:06,129
went over my head.
813
00:37:06,130 --> 00:37:09,299
Maybe it could have ended
with another credit
814
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:11,901
at the end of the film
for two DPs,
815
00:37:11,902 --> 00:37:15,072
the one before he died
and the other one who took over.
816
00:37:18,142 --> 00:37:20,244
I also helped set up
the big splat.
817
00:37:23,647 --> 00:37:25,948
I helped dress the dummy
to look like Emil,
818
00:37:25,949 --> 00:37:27,550
and took
all the old prosthetics,
819
00:37:27,551 --> 00:37:29,919
put it on there,
and then helped load the thing
820
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,455
with all the
methylcellulose slime.
821
00:37:32,456 --> 00:37:33,990
I remember just screaming,
you know?
822
00:37:33,991 --> 00:37:36,493
I just... it was so funny,
just this big splat.
823
00:37:38,529 --> 00:37:40,497
Shit!
824
00:37:40,864 --> 00:37:44,868
It was extremely funny,
because he's blown to pieces.
825
00:37:48,372 --> 00:37:49,372
Oh, God.
826
00:37:51,675 --> 00:37:53,810
Verhoeven has a great
sense of humor.
827
00:37:53,811 --> 00:37:56,713
His use of humor where people
wouldn't even see humor.
828
00:37:56,714 --> 00:37:58,034
It's like, "Oh, this is fine.
Oh."
829
00:38:02,753 --> 00:38:06,055
It's really nice to have been
a part of something that uh,
830
00:38:06,056 --> 00:38:08,358
seems to have made a mark,
you know?
831
00:38:08,359 --> 00:38:10,127
You wanna live forever?
832
00:38:19,303 --> 00:38:22,338
There's no guarantees
in this business about anything,
833
00:38:22,339 --> 00:38:23,907
however good you think it is.
834
00:38:25,442 --> 00:38:27,176
Things got a little bit
835
00:38:27,177 --> 00:38:30,780
contested between crew
and... you know, and Paul.
836
00:38:30,781 --> 00:38:32,415
So, the crew had a countdown.
837
00:38:32,416 --> 00:38:35,017
That said, you know,
"20 more days with this,
838
00:38:35,018 --> 00:38:40,391
and 15 more days of this,
10 more days."
839
00:38:40,591 --> 00:38:43,259
Verhoeven, I felt,
was a little on the tough side.
840
00:38:43,260 --> 00:38:49,699
He had an attitude of, you know,
maybe very militaristic,
841
00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:50,734
you might say.
842
00:38:50,934 --> 00:38:52,034
We were miserable, I guess,
843
00:38:52,035 --> 00:38:53,403
to be around,
and all we wanted to do
844
00:38:53,404 --> 00:38:54,704
was make this movie
all the time.
845
00:38:54,705 --> 00:38:56,639
So, by the end,
we were the only people
846
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,741
who would talk to each other.
I mean, no one would talk to us.
847
00:38:58,742 --> 00:39:00,009
The producer
wouldn't talk to us.
848
00:39:00,010 --> 00:39:01,077
The whole crew hated us.
849
00:39:01,078 --> 00:39:03,446
And we were always alone
in the restaurant.
850
00:39:03,447 --> 00:39:06,083
And everybody was snarling at us
or we were snarling at them.
851
00:39:06,350 --> 00:39:07,784
Everybody was suffering,
and it was hard.
852
00:39:07,785 --> 00:39:08,951
I mean, it was a hard shoot.
853
00:39:08,952 --> 00:39:11,387
But at the same time,
854
00:39:11,388 --> 00:39:12,789
every day, you loved
being there, 'cause you knew
855
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:14,657
you were making a great film.
856
00:39:14,658 --> 00:39:16,025
That famous scene
857
00:39:16,026 --> 00:39:18,828
and the chase between the cars
going through the area
858
00:39:18,829 --> 00:39:21,898
and all of that,
it's a rough look, okay?
859
00:39:21,899 --> 00:39:24,059
If you wanna put it that way,
that's what it had to be,
860
00:39:24,401 --> 00:39:27,404
because of the apocalypse
of the period, you might say.
861
00:39:27,671 --> 00:39:28,671
At the end of the shoot,
862
00:39:28,672 --> 00:39:30,673
we ended up in Monessen,
Pennsylvania.
863
00:39:30,674 --> 00:39:32,408
I guess it was mid-November.
864
00:39:32,409 --> 00:39:34,977
So, East Coast,
it was really cold.
865
00:39:34,978 --> 00:39:36,480
I'd never been squibbed before.
866
00:39:36,780 --> 00:39:40,317
That is quite an experience
that I would not wish on anyone.
867
00:39:42,486 --> 00:39:43,821
In a strange way,
868
00:39:44,321 --> 00:39:46,434
feeling those little thumps
and bumps around your body
869
00:39:46,458 --> 00:39:48,426
help you
with what it is you have to do.
870
00:39:48,660 --> 00:39:51,796
Worse than the squibs?
The water.
871
00:39:52,297 --> 00:39:55,499
The absolutely disgusting,
rusty water
872
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:57,434
that I had to get into
that was freezing cold.
873
00:39:57,435 --> 00:39:59,771
So, I'll take the squibs
any day.
874
00:40:01,940 --> 00:40:05,175
For me, it had that
very specific atmosphere,
875
00:40:05,176 --> 00:40:07,945
you know, because of these
enormous amounts of steel
876
00:40:07,946 --> 00:40:08,946
that were there.
877
00:40:08,947 --> 00:40:11,114
There was these enormous walls.
878
00:40:11,115 --> 00:40:14,151
It really felt like Troy
or Jerusalem, you know?
879
00:40:14,152 --> 00:40:15,519
Ed and I talked a lot
880
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,724
about the man in the iron mask,
uh, a quest for identity.
881
00:40:20,191 --> 00:40:23,862
But the Christ metaphor,
Paul pretty much brought.
882
00:40:25,263 --> 00:40:27,799
- Bye-bye, baby.
- Clarence!
883
00:40:31,469 --> 00:40:32,836
I had built something
884
00:40:32,837 --> 00:40:35,172
under the water, basically,
so he could walk there
885
00:40:35,173 --> 00:40:37,809
because I wanted him to be Jesus
walking over the water.
886
00:40:39,043 --> 00:40:41,111
Okay. I give up.
887
00:40:41,112 --> 00:40:42,112
And now, he says...
888
00:40:42,447 --> 00:40:44,147
I'm not arresting you anymore.
889
00:40:44,148 --> 00:40:45,916
"I'm not going to
arrest you anymore.
890
00:40:45,917 --> 00:40:47,551
I'm going to kill you."
891
00:40:47,552 --> 00:40:49,354
And that's, for me,
the American Jesus.
892
00:40:52,457 --> 00:40:53,892
I had to run out on that catwalk
893
00:40:54,125 --> 00:40:56,760
on the top
to get to the crane booth,
894
00:40:56,761 --> 00:40:59,363
so that I could drop the steel
down on RoboCop.
895
00:40:59,364 --> 00:41:01,932
And I saw how high up it was,
and it was kind of scary,
896
00:41:01,933 --> 00:41:03,600
to tell you the truth.
897
00:41:03,601 --> 00:41:05,168
RoboCop comes over the water,
898
00:41:05,169 --> 00:41:07,038
and then the other guy
pulls the handle,
899
00:41:07,305 --> 00:41:09,374
and then all these beams fall
on RoboCop.
900
00:41:12,243 --> 00:41:13,377
They had a dummy there
901
00:41:13,378 --> 00:41:15,946
that it actually... all the big,
heavy beams
902
00:41:15,947 --> 00:41:17,315
actually fell right on him.
903
00:41:19,050 --> 00:41:21,018
Die, you bastard!
904
00:41:21,019 --> 00:41:21,953
Wow.
905
00:41:21,954 --> 00:41:22,954
I got him, Clarence!
906
00:41:22,955 --> 00:41:24,055
I got him!
907
00:41:28,192 --> 00:41:29,393
That black costume
908
00:41:29,394 --> 00:41:32,529
that I had on,
they also put on the dummy.
909
00:41:32,530 --> 00:41:35,432
They gave me that costume
after it was blown up.
910
00:41:35,433 --> 00:41:36,700
It's in tatters.
911
00:41:36,701 --> 00:41:40,103
It was blown all to hell,
but um, I still have it.
912
00:41:40,104 --> 00:41:42,173
I always have it.
And all I have to do is find it.
913
00:41:43,741 --> 00:41:44,875
And then whenever
914
00:41:44,876 --> 00:41:46,577
he's all entangled,
and the beams
915
00:41:46,578 --> 00:41:48,812
were all fake ones,
but that was Peter.
916
00:41:48,813 --> 00:41:50,113
And I can't get out of it.
917
00:41:50,114 --> 00:41:52,649
And then Kurtwood
in a desperation,
918
00:41:52,650 --> 00:41:54,786
comes over
and stabs me with that spike.
919
00:42:00,625 --> 00:42:03,460
Sometimes, the violence
was very, very direct and...
920
00:42:03,461 --> 00:42:04,461
And... and real.
921
00:42:10,768 --> 00:42:11,736
There was just a discussion
922
00:42:11,737 --> 00:42:13,770
with Paul
that I should take this
923
00:42:13,771 --> 00:42:16,073
as if there is, you know,
a nerve center
924
00:42:16,074 --> 00:42:18,542
somewhere responding to it.
925
00:42:18,543 --> 00:42:20,477
So, the body's response
is all I'm doing
926
00:42:20,478 --> 00:42:24,315
is like in the agony
of the robotics.
927
00:42:26,985 --> 00:42:28,318
When he stabbed in the neck,
928
00:42:28,319 --> 00:42:32,925
that was what I called
the Paul Verhoeven "take that".
929
00:42:33,258 --> 00:42:34,325
For whatever reason,
930
00:42:34,326 --> 00:42:36,628
as you would work it
and just kind of handle it,
931
00:42:36,629 --> 00:42:38,930
the mechanism would start
getting a little sloppy.
932
00:42:38,931 --> 00:42:42,166
And it would like,
just go off by itself sometimes.
933
00:42:42,167 --> 00:42:44,102
So, Paul's like,
"Let me see the... the hand",
934
00:42:44,103 --> 00:42:45,570
'cause he's gonna set up
the shot.
935
00:42:45,571 --> 00:42:48,239
And they like pass the hand
over to him,
936
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:51,643
and just the motion triggers it.
937
00:42:51,644 --> 00:42:53,411
The spike comes out,
and it's just like,
938
00:42:53,412 --> 00:42:55,113
probably like,
that close to his eye.
939
00:42:55,114 --> 00:42:56,614
And he just like
looks over at me,
940
00:42:56,615 --> 00:42:58,375
and I'm like,
"Oh, I didn't do it," you know?
941
00:42:58,417 --> 00:43:00,184
And as he gets close...
942
00:43:00,185 --> 00:43:02,488
Sayonara, RoboCop!
943
00:43:04,123 --> 00:43:05,657
The cop takes over.
944
00:43:05,658 --> 00:43:09,360
And then it's like the cop
takes vengeance.
945
00:43:09,361 --> 00:43:11,196
Boom.
946
00:43:13,832 --> 00:43:15,900
Paul is just like,
"Give me this cup."
947
00:43:15,901 --> 00:43:17,536
And then he fills it
with fake blood,
948
00:43:18,003 --> 00:43:21,707
and the camera's on... on Peter,
and it goes like splat.
949
00:43:23,142 --> 00:43:25,544
It was not subtle,
but hey, it worked.
950
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,216
And action!
951
00:43:33,919 --> 00:43:36,989
I had no doubt that that movie
was gonna be a hit.
952
00:43:38,557 --> 00:43:42,293
First of all, it was much more
in the comic book vein
953
00:43:42,294 --> 00:43:43,896
than we had seen before.
954
00:43:45,898 --> 00:43:49,100
And there's so much more to it
in terms of what it had to say
955
00:43:49,101 --> 00:43:51,202
about machines and men.
956
00:43:51,203 --> 00:43:52,404
Lewis!
957
00:43:53,772 --> 00:43:56,708
Murphy, I'm a mess.
958
00:43:56,709 --> 00:43:57,942
Nancy reminded me.
959
00:43:57,943 --> 00:43:59,510
She said, "Don't you remember?"
960
00:43:59,511 --> 00:44:02,180
At the end of it, you know,
when I say,
961
00:44:02,181 --> 00:44:03,716
"They'll fix you.
They fix everything."
962
00:44:04,083 --> 00:44:06,651
They'll fix you.
963
00:44:06,652 --> 00:44:08,687
They fix everything.
964
00:44:09,021 --> 00:44:11,055
That's my line.
965
00:44:11,056 --> 00:44:13,858
There are notes
that I gave to Jon Davison.
966
00:44:13,859 --> 00:44:15,126
"Can we do this?
Can we change that?
967
00:44:15,127 --> 00:44:16,761
Can we..." whatever.
968
00:44:16,762 --> 00:44:20,698
- Murphy says, "They'll fix you.
- They fix everything."
969
00:44:20,699 --> 00:44:22,667
And I was like, "Wow."
970
00:44:22,668 --> 00:44:25,436
And I was just floored.
971
00:44:25,437 --> 00:44:26,804
I was just knocked out
972
00:44:26,805 --> 00:44:28,807
by how good
I thought the film was.
973
00:44:39,985 --> 00:44:42,220
So, at the end, when RoboCop
approaches the building,
974
00:44:42,221 --> 00:44:44,355
ED-209 is guarding
the building there.
975
00:44:44,356 --> 00:44:46,624
His upper torso swivels over.
976
00:44:46,625 --> 00:44:47,825
So, this is one of the things
we kind of built
977
00:44:47,826 --> 00:44:49,828
the capacity for
into the full-scale prop.
978
00:44:50,095 --> 00:44:52,130
He had a hinging point.
979
00:44:52,131 --> 00:44:54,265
That was one of our big
live-action movements
980
00:44:54,266 --> 00:44:55,434
for ED-209.
981
00:45:03,909 --> 00:45:06,410
When RoboCop destroys ED-209,
982
00:45:06,411 --> 00:45:08,780
the day before, they had done
the actual shooting
983
00:45:08,781 --> 00:45:11,115
of Peter Weller
with the actual cannon.
984
00:45:11,116 --> 00:45:12,117
Boom!
985
00:45:14,954 --> 00:45:15,922
And the blanks
986
00:45:15,923 --> 00:45:17,956
were strong enough
that they rattled
987
00:45:17,957 --> 00:45:19,758
all of the windows
in the entire building,
988
00:45:19,759 --> 00:45:21,494
you know, almost
to the point of shattering.
989
00:45:21,961 --> 00:45:24,930
Yikes. Is that fun, man.
990
00:45:24,931 --> 00:45:26,865
This was, of course,
quite a big deal.
991
00:45:26,866 --> 00:45:28,026
And a lot of police came out.
992
00:45:28,434 --> 00:45:31,170
And they tried to arrest
Paul Verhoeven.
993
00:45:31,171 --> 00:45:32,171
How are you doing?
994
00:45:32,338 --> 00:45:33,306
And Paul Verhoeven's like,
995
00:45:33,306 --> 00:45:34,274
"I don't have a driver's
license.
996
00:45:34,274 --> 00:45:35,274
How do we arrest you?"
997
00:45:36,776 --> 00:45:37,776
So, the next day,
998
00:45:37,777 --> 00:45:39,088
when it came time
to blow the robot up,
999
00:45:39,112 --> 00:45:41,581
which should have been
a big destruction scene,
1000
00:45:41,781 --> 00:45:43,749
I think
everybody was very gun shy.
1001
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:46,418
So, the charge ended up
being a lot smaller
1002
00:45:46,419 --> 00:45:47,739
than they might
have wanted to be.
1003
00:45:51,524 --> 00:45:53,493
So, yeah. We went back in,
and optically added
1004
00:45:53,827 --> 00:45:56,061
explosion elements to that
to sort of get the actual
1005
00:45:56,062 --> 00:45:58,298
full, you know,
extent of destruction.
1006
00:46:00,667 --> 00:46:02,601
Once the thing was blown up,
you cut back to it.
1007
00:46:02,602 --> 00:46:05,171
That then was the actual
stop-motion puppet.
1008
00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:09,041
It had a lot of moving parts
to it.
1009
00:46:09,042 --> 00:46:11,443
I was doing an in-camera
composite with smoke
1010
00:46:11,444 --> 00:46:12,477
and all sorts of things
1011
00:46:12,478 --> 00:46:13,758
that had to go
at a certain time.
1012
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,247
They had to very trickily,
1013
00:46:15,248 --> 00:46:17,983
sort of, animate
in the smoke elements.
1014
00:46:17,984 --> 00:46:19,384
A lot of these things
are done in-camera.
1015
00:46:19,385 --> 00:46:21,553
So, you're basically
sort of animating elements
1016
00:46:21,554 --> 00:46:23,189
to follow a moving object.
1017
00:46:25,058 --> 00:46:26,725
I was about halfway
through the shot,
1018
00:46:26,726 --> 00:46:30,329
and Jon called me up,
and said, "Hey, you know what?
1019
00:46:30,330 --> 00:46:32,397
Can you do something funny
at the end of the shot?
1020
00:46:32,398 --> 00:46:34,199
'Cause the movie's too serious."
1021
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:35,568
So I'm like, "Yeah, okay."
1022
00:46:36,002 --> 00:46:37,736
Good.
1023
00:46:37,737 --> 00:46:40,137
And so, the thing with the foot
was a very last-minute thing.
1024
00:46:40,473 --> 00:46:42,241
You know, at that point,
I just took it farther.
1025
00:46:42,242 --> 00:46:44,244
I had him, you know,
walk in as like a drunk thing
1026
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:47,246
and then have like,
a little whirligig spinning.
1027
00:46:47,247 --> 00:46:48,847
And then he falls over,
1028
00:46:48,848 --> 00:46:50,550
and does the thing
with his foot.
1029
00:46:52,919 --> 00:46:58,423
You know, we were budgeted
9,995, and we were at about 13.
1030
00:46:58,424 --> 00:47:01,560
So, we were over
the 10 percent contingency.
1031
00:47:01,561 --> 00:47:04,730
And the completion bond company
had every right
1032
00:47:04,731 --> 00:47:07,400
to take the picture over
and just finish it themselves.
1033
00:47:07,834 --> 00:47:09,401
And they didn't have to do
the effects.
1034
00:47:09,402 --> 00:47:11,270
They didn't have to put
sound effects in.
1035
00:47:11,271 --> 00:47:12,738
They could take it over.
1036
00:47:12,739 --> 00:47:14,973
And Mike Medavoy
wouldn't let 'em do it.
1037
00:47:14,974 --> 00:47:18,977
He had the faith in the picture
to tell the completion bond,
1038
00:47:18,978 --> 00:47:21,246
"No, you're not taking it over.
1039
00:47:21,247 --> 00:47:25,919
And we'll pick up the overages,"
and uh, it saved the movie.
1040
00:47:29,722 --> 00:47:32,524
John P. made a lot of great
1041
00:47:32,525 --> 00:47:35,560
synth sweeteners
and sounds to accent things.
1042
00:47:35,561 --> 00:47:37,095
And one of the best ones
that I love
1043
00:47:37,096 --> 00:47:38,841
is when the doors swing open
in the boardroom
1044
00:47:38,865 --> 00:47:39,998
at the end of the film.
1045
00:47:39,999 --> 00:47:43,068
And there's that great,
cheesy, synthy whomp
1046
00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:45,238
that has no business
being there whatsoever.
1047
00:47:48,308 --> 00:47:49,308
But it works.
1048
00:47:51,477 --> 00:47:53,946
They're shooting
the boardroom stuff at the end.
1049
00:47:53,947 --> 00:47:56,281
So, we get him all made up
with the makeup.
1050
00:47:56,282 --> 00:47:58,083
And we had him ready,
and they weren't getting to it.
1051
00:47:58,084 --> 00:48:00,720
And we kept sending word up
like, you know,
1052
00:48:00,721 --> 00:48:02,121
"He's been in the makeup
for a couple hours.
1053
00:48:02,122 --> 00:48:05,091
It's gonna start breaking down.
You know, what's going on?"
1054
00:48:05,092 --> 00:48:06,492
Paul was shooting
1055
00:48:06,493 --> 00:48:10,930
like all the wide shots
and everything but the makeup.
1056
00:48:10,931 --> 00:48:12,332
Paul could only shoot it
for five hours,
1057
00:48:12,333 --> 00:48:14,013
'cause the face
would essentially collapse.
1058
00:48:14,168 --> 00:48:16,736
And the edges
were peeling off everywhere.
1059
00:48:16,737 --> 00:48:19,138
And Stephan Dupuis had begged.
1060
00:48:19,139 --> 00:48:21,607
Like,
"Shoot the close-ups first."
1061
00:48:21,608 --> 00:48:23,310
And he didn't.
1062
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:24,944
Instead, he decided
1063
00:48:24,945 --> 00:48:27,180
it was more important
to shoot all those action shots.
1064
00:48:27,181 --> 00:48:29,349
And by the time it came
to shooting the close-ups,
1065
00:48:29,350 --> 00:48:31,385
the makeup was not acceptable.
1066
00:48:31,785 --> 00:48:33,353
And of course,
the makeup was fragile.
1067
00:48:33,354 --> 00:48:35,755
I mean, it was all in one piece.
1068
00:48:35,756 --> 00:48:39,158
It was not easy to apply,
'cause you couldn't fuck up.
1069
00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:40,326
And they just kept
1070
00:48:40,327 --> 00:48:41,794
putting us off
and putting us off.
1071
00:48:41,795 --> 00:48:43,830
And at some point,
Stephan just went upstairs
1072
00:48:43,831 --> 00:48:45,299
'cause craft service
was up there.
1073
00:48:45,499 --> 00:48:47,233
So, he's up there like getting
some coffee or something.
1074
00:48:47,234 --> 00:48:48,794
And Paul sees him,
and Paul's just like,
1075
00:48:49,069 --> 00:48:50,303
"I don't know
when we're gonna get to it!"
1076
00:48:50,304 --> 00:48:52,005
You know, just kinda like,
screaming at him.
1077
00:48:52,006 --> 00:48:54,307
And Stephan's just like, "Oh."
And he goes back downstairs.
1078
00:48:54,308 --> 00:48:57,510
He goes, "I'm not going to set
until he comes and apologizes."
1079
00:48:57,511 --> 00:49:01,848
So, uh, then I decided
to act like a fucking diva.
1080
00:49:01,849 --> 00:49:05,184
Stephan just said,
"I'm not shooting this makeup.
1081
00:49:05,185 --> 00:49:08,088
In fact, me and my whole team
are walking off the set now."
1082
00:49:08,389 --> 00:49:09,522
So, then we're like
1083
00:49:09,523 --> 00:49:10,990
sitting in the trailer,
and they're like,
1084
00:49:10,991 --> 00:49:12,191
"Okay, they're ready for him."
1085
00:49:12,259 --> 00:49:13,960
And he's like, "Nope.
I'm not gonna go."
1086
00:49:13,961 --> 00:49:15,328
And I said, "Okay.
1087
00:49:15,329 --> 00:49:17,330
He's not coming on the set,
because the makeup
1088
00:49:17,331 --> 00:49:19,265
is fucked up now.
You didn't listen.
1089
00:49:19,266 --> 00:49:22,502
Okay? Lesson learned?
I hope so."
1090
00:49:22,503 --> 00:49:23,903
Stephan essentially
1091
00:49:23,904 --> 00:49:30,044
let production know that no one,
no one could knock on that door.
1092
00:49:30,277 --> 00:49:31,544
Peter's like,
1093
00:49:31,545 --> 00:49:32,513
"Well, I'm not going
if you guys aren't going."
1094
00:49:32,514 --> 00:49:33,954
And so, we're all just
sitting there.
1095
00:49:33,981 --> 00:49:36,349
And then finally Verhoeven
comes down, and he's like...
1096
00:49:36,350 --> 00:49:37,851
- Well, I mean...
- He goes,
1097
00:49:38,052 --> 00:49:40,353
"I guess you want me to say,
'I'm sorry, ' but I can't."
1098
00:49:40,354 --> 00:49:41,721
So, we had it out
1099
00:49:41,722 --> 00:49:44,558
in the trailer,
me, the producers, and Paul.
1100
00:49:45,092 --> 00:49:48,461
And yeah,
that was very stressful day.
1101
00:49:48,462 --> 00:49:49,830
Yeah.
1102
00:49:50,097 --> 00:49:52,131
How can we help you, Officer?
1103
00:49:52,132 --> 00:49:54,467
Dick Jones is wanted for murder.
1104
00:49:54,468 --> 00:49:56,669
Obviously, the first time
you see RoboCop,
1105
00:49:56,670 --> 00:49:58,604
there's a lot of processing
on his voice.
1106
00:49:58,605 --> 00:50:00,273
Yes, I understand.
1107
00:50:00,274 --> 00:50:02,842
As he gets more human,
they pull it out.
1108
00:50:02,843 --> 00:50:04,710
My program will not allow me
1109
00:50:04,711 --> 00:50:06,946
to act against an officer
of this company.
1110
00:50:06,947 --> 00:50:08,781
It's a social critique
1111
00:50:08,782 --> 00:50:11,617
that went very specifically
about corporate power,
1112
00:50:11,618 --> 00:50:12,686
corporate greed.
1113
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,388
These are serious charges.
1114
00:50:14,855 --> 00:50:17,291
These impersonal
killer executives.
1115
00:50:17,591 --> 00:50:18,925
What is your evidence?
1116
00:50:18,926 --> 00:50:20,059
The businessmen
1117
00:50:20,060 --> 00:50:22,595
who are out there
trying to one up each other.
1118
00:50:22,596 --> 00:50:24,798
I had to kill Bob Morton,
because he made a mistake.
1119
00:50:26,767 --> 00:50:29,302
Now, it's time
to erase that mistake.
1120
00:50:29,303 --> 00:50:30,770
And just raised it another notch
1121
00:50:30,771 --> 00:50:32,339
where they literally
do kill each other.
1122
00:50:34,108 --> 00:50:35,341
And it's not only forecasting,
1123
00:50:35,342 --> 00:50:37,143
it's putting its finger
right on it.
1124
00:50:37,144 --> 00:50:38,412
I want a chopper now!
1125
00:50:41,715 --> 00:50:43,884
Jon suggested a way
1126
00:50:43,885 --> 00:50:45,986
to invalidate
Directive 4 at the end.
1127
00:50:45,987 --> 00:50:47,287
We'd all show up
1128
00:50:47,288 --> 00:50:49,457
at the office every day,
and we'd kick stuff around.
1129
00:50:49,724 --> 00:50:51,358
Anybody tries to stop me...
1130
00:50:51,359 --> 00:50:52,493
You know, saying,
1131
00:50:52,494 --> 00:50:53,994
"Oh, what about this,
or what about that?"
1132
00:50:53,995 --> 00:50:55,497
the old geezer gets it.
1133
00:50:55,964 --> 00:50:58,899
And I, as a joke, said,
how about "You're fired"?
1134
00:50:58,900 --> 00:51:00,067
I never thought
1135
00:51:00,068 --> 00:51:02,136
that the "You're fired" line
would work.
1136
00:51:02,137 --> 00:51:04,638
I... You know, and Paul, and Ed,
and Jon were going,
1137
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:06,073
"Yeah, it's gonna work.
Yeah, it's gonna work."
1138
00:51:06,074 --> 00:51:07,354
I said,
"You know, I don't know."
1139
00:51:07,642 --> 00:51:09,611
Dick, you're fired!
1140
00:51:10,945 --> 00:51:12,179
And it worked beautifully.
1141
00:51:12,180 --> 00:51:13,480
So, you know,
1142
00:51:13,481 --> 00:51:14,681
even when you're really
involved in it,
1143
00:51:14,682 --> 00:51:15,917
you can be wrong. Right?
1144
00:51:16,284 --> 00:51:18,453
Thank you.
1145
00:51:22,991 --> 00:51:27,327
They put squibs
front and back, big heavy loads.
1146
00:51:27,328 --> 00:51:31,165
And I'm not blowing smoke,
when they put those off,
1147
00:51:31,166 --> 00:51:35,636
I practically went to my knees,
and I was physically ill
1148
00:51:35,637 --> 00:51:37,772
for about an hour
after that happened.
1149
00:51:38,206 --> 00:51:39,239
That hurt.
1150
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:40,807
They made a mistake.
1151
00:51:40,808 --> 00:51:43,645
And they came to me afterwards,
and said, "We fucked up."
1152
00:51:51,352 --> 00:51:53,854
I had a little bit
of stop-motion experience,
1153
00:51:53,855 --> 00:51:56,957
and I talked with Jon Davison,
and he asked me
1154
00:51:56,958 --> 00:51:58,559
about the possibility
of doing it
1155
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,261
as a stop-motion character.
1156
00:52:00,662 --> 00:52:02,963
And I told him
that I'd be willing to try it,
1157
00:52:02,964 --> 00:52:06,333
and um, thought that I could do
something that looked good.
1158
00:52:06,334 --> 00:52:08,603
It ended up looking
kind of iffy.
1159
00:52:14,075 --> 00:52:16,411
The Rocco Gioffre shot
1160
00:52:16,844 --> 00:52:20,414
where he falls out the window
is a little dodgy.
1161
00:52:20,415 --> 00:52:22,849
That guy falling out
of the building at the end
1162
00:52:22,850 --> 00:52:24,886
with the really long arms. Oh.
1163
00:52:26,521 --> 00:52:28,590
We could have done better.
1164
00:52:28,856 --> 00:52:30,457
I don't know
what happened to that,
1165
00:52:30,458 --> 00:52:33,461
but I was... I was disappointed.
1166
00:52:33,728 --> 00:52:36,263
Dick, I'm very disappointed.
1167
00:52:36,264 --> 00:52:37,464
Of course,
1168
00:52:37,465 --> 00:52:39,099
I'd like another crack
at the Dick Jones thing.
1169
00:52:39,100 --> 00:52:40,534
There's some stuff
that I would... would do
1170
00:52:40,535 --> 00:52:41,702
very differently.
1171
00:52:41,703 --> 00:52:43,437
Although, I don't think
that it's the fault
1172
00:52:43,438 --> 00:52:46,740
of stop motion that that looks
the way that it does.
1173
00:52:46,741 --> 00:52:50,211
It's the proportions of his arms
in relationship to the lens
1174
00:52:50,411 --> 00:52:52,747
that we chose and the way
that it looks distorted.
1175
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:55,782
The way this shot
1176
00:52:55,783 --> 00:52:58,119
was supposed to work
from what I heard
1177
00:52:58,419 --> 00:53:02,022
was my character
was gonna go out the window.
1178
00:53:02,023 --> 00:53:07,294
They were gonna have ostensibly
a camera down halfway.
1179
00:53:07,295 --> 00:53:10,798
They were gonna articulate
my character coming down,
1180
00:53:11,199 --> 00:53:13,867
down, down, down
toward the camera.
1181
00:53:13,868 --> 00:53:16,770
And then they were gonna flip
the camera
1182
00:53:16,771 --> 00:53:20,408
and take my character away
until he landed in the street.
1183
00:53:21,943 --> 00:53:23,910
Well, obviously,
that didn't work.
1184
00:53:23,911 --> 00:53:25,279
That would have been great.
1185
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,147
That's the reason
they made that little doll
1186
00:53:27,148 --> 00:53:29,985
to look exactly like me.
1187
00:53:31,353 --> 00:53:32,788
There's nothing like RoboCop.
1188
00:53:35,457 --> 00:53:37,092
I mean, there isn't.
1189
00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:39,594
That has a social message
like this
1190
00:53:39,595 --> 00:53:41,630
that gets you on four or five
different levels.
1191
00:53:42,097 --> 00:53:43,966
Verhoeven's power,
I mean, he knew
1192
00:53:44,233 --> 00:53:45,366
the end of that movie is...
1193
00:53:45,367 --> 00:53:47,769
Nice shooting, son.
What's your name?
1194
00:53:47,770 --> 00:53:48,904
"What's your name?"
1195
00:53:50,706 --> 00:53:51,773
Murphy.
1196
00:53:51,774 --> 00:53:53,708
"Murphy."
1197
00:53:53,709 --> 00:53:54,942
I'll never forget that.
1198
00:53:54,943 --> 00:53:57,680
Before Peter Weller
could answer Murphy...
1199
00:53:57,980 --> 00:54:00,281
Nice shooting, son.
What's your name?
1200
00:54:00,282 --> 00:54:04,153
The whole theater
in one voice said, "Murphy!"
1201
00:54:04,486 --> 00:54:05,920
Yes!
1202
00:54:05,921 --> 00:54:07,188
That was so amazing.
1203
00:54:07,189 --> 00:54:10,326
But like, "Murphy!"
1204
00:54:10,659 --> 00:54:12,627
That was a moment
that you will never forget,
1205
00:54:12,628 --> 00:54:15,363
you know, that people
were so into the movie.
1206
00:54:15,364 --> 00:54:20,802
It was like this transformation
from human to robot,
1207
00:54:20,803 --> 00:54:22,704
and back to human.
1208
00:54:22,705 --> 00:54:26,507
It lives because of its theme.
1209
00:54:26,508 --> 00:54:31,879
And the theme is executed
right down the line, man.
1210
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,184
And the theme is resurrection.
1211
00:54:40,422 --> 00:54:42,323
When the film was tested,
1212
00:54:42,324 --> 00:54:43,764
it was actually
a fourth media break.
1213
00:54:44,126 --> 00:54:47,228
And there was a sequence
in which Bixby Snyder
1214
00:54:47,229 --> 00:54:49,230
is arrested as a pedophile.
1215
00:54:49,231 --> 00:54:51,366
And Nancy Allen
is in the hospital
1216
00:54:51,367 --> 00:54:54,068
being interviewed,
having survived the shootout.
1217
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:55,436
Excuse me, Your Honor.
1218
00:54:55,437 --> 00:54:58,439
Anne, ever consider
another line of work?
1219
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,743
No. I like being a cop.
1220
00:55:00,976 --> 00:55:03,978
Well, the original ending
did have Anne Lewis saying,
1221
00:55:03,979 --> 00:55:05,847
"If you can't stand the heat,
get out of the kitchen."
1222
00:55:05,848 --> 00:55:07,582
It parrots something that
you hear earlier in the film.
1223
00:55:07,583 --> 00:55:08,550
If you can't stand the heat,
1224
00:55:08,551 --> 00:55:09,894
you better stay out
of the kitchen.
1225
00:55:09,918 --> 00:55:11,786
You know what they say.
1226
00:55:11,787 --> 00:55:15,156
If you can't stand the heat,
get out of the kitchen.
1227
00:55:15,157 --> 00:55:16,157
I don't know about you,
1228
00:55:16,158 --> 00:55:17,893
but I'll sleep
a little better tonight.
1229
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:19,727
I saw the dailies.
1230
00:55:19,728 --> 00:55:21,596
I didn't really like it
very much.
1231
00:55:21,597 --> 00:55:22,564
The audience always felt
1232
00:55:22,565 --> 00:55:24,799
that Murphy
was the way to go out.
1233
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,369
So, that fourth media break
was never shown.
1234
00:55:27,603 --> 00:55:28,703
It was one of those things
1235
00:55:28,704 --> 00:55:30,471
where when I heard
they weren't using it,
1236
00:55:30,472 --> 00:55:33,809
I was sort of relieved,
because it just seemed so blah.
1237
00:55:34,042 --> 00:55:35,476
You bet!
1238
00:55:35,477 --> 00:55:38,380
Next time you see a cop, smile.
Thanks for watching.
1239
00:55:41,817 --> 00:55:43,484
We were on a tight schedule.
1240
00:55:43,485 --> 00:55:46,287
I was done with RoboCop
probably 10 days
1241
00:55:46,288 --> 00:55:47,555
after we finished shooting.
1242
00:55:47,556 --> 00:55:49,824
There wasn't like
the four-hour cut of RoboCop.
1243
00:55:49,825 --> 00:55:52,493
There was the...
If RoboCop's 114 minutes,
1244
00:55:52,494 --> 00:55:54,829
there was the 118-minute cut
of RoboCop.
1245
00:55:54,830 --> 00:55:55,830
That was the rough.
1246
00:55:58,367 --> 00:56:02,270
First of all, I was all for it
being a very violent movie.
1247
00:56:02,271 --> 00:56:05,373
I was interested in those ideas
and Paul was, too.
1248
00:56:05,374 --> 00:56:06,375
And I was surprised
1249
00:56:06,608 --> 00:56:08,209
when we were even shooting
these sequences.
1250
00:56:08,210 --> 00:56:09,410
I was thinking to myself,
1251
00:56:09,411 --> 00:56:10,978
"There's no way these are ever
gonna make it.
1252
00:56:10,979 --> 00:56:12,748
It's never gonna make it
on screen."
1253
00:56:12,749 --> 00:56:15,584
I think Paul's idea
was actually, "Push it
1254
00:56:15,585 --> 00:56:17,219
as far as you can push it,
1255
00:56:17,220 --> 00:56:18,580
and then we'll dial it back
later."
1256
00:56:18,688 --> 00:56:21,056
If you can't push the envelope,
1257
00:56:21,057 --> 00:56:23,525
you know,
don't write the letter.
1258
00:56:23,526 --> 00:56:26,463
We wanted to grab people
by the throat,
1259
00:56:26,796 --> 00:56:28,631
and give 'em a good time
and a real good ride.
1260
00:56:31,334 --> 00:56:32,601
Our biggest problem
1261
00:56:32,602 --> 00:56:35,804
on the editing of the movie
was with the MPAA.
1262
00:56:35,805 --> 00:56:36,939
And so, we had to cut it,
1263
00:56:36,940 --> 00:56:39,241
and cut it, and cut it eight,
nine times.
1264
00:56:39,242 --> 00:56:41,362
You know, we had to go back
to back, back, back, back.
1265
00:56:41,511 --> 00:56:44,948
But that original version
basically is really funny.
1266
00:56:47,250 --> 00:56:48,184
It's safe to say
1267
00:56:48,185 --> 00:56:50,018
the ratings board
did not get the satire.
1268
00:56:50,019 --> 00:56:51,987
Of course, they gave us an X.
1269
00:56:51,988 --> 00:56:54,690
And so, we made a few trims,
and sent it back,
1270
00:56:54,691 --> 00:56:56,191
and we got another X.
1271
00:56:56,192 --> 00:56:59,528
So, Paul went back in,
and he kept cutting away
1272
00:56:59,529 --> 00:57:02,331
the shot where Peter Waller
loses his hand,
1273
00:57:02,332 --> 00:57:03,866
because it was too graphic.
1274
00:57:03,867 --> 00:57:07,002
It was supposed to be so big,
1275
00:57:07,003 --> 00:57:11,306
so too much, that it in a way,
lost its impact.
1276
00:57:11,307 --> 00:57:15,310
And the more you cut it down,
the more real it became.
1277
00:57:15,311 --> 00:57:17,647
And somehow, those censors
just didn't see that.
1278
00:57:17,981 --> 00:57:22,819
In a way, they made the violence
worse for us as a viewer.
1279
00:57:23,052 --> 00:57:24,486
We had this one shot
1280
00:57:24,487 --> 00:57:25,988
where they shoot him
in the head,
1281
00:57:25,989 --> 00:57:28,223
and it was a complete move
right from his face,
1282
00:57:28,224 --> 00:57:29,759
all the way
to the back of his head.
1283
00:57:30,927 --> 00:57:33,829
And the MPAA
wouldn't allow me to use it.
1284
00:57:33,830 --> 00:57:36,465
I could only use the impact
just from the front
1285
00:57:36,466 --> 00:57:39,034
and then the back.
1286
00:57:39,035 --> 00:57:41,336
And it probably was more violent
doing it that way
1287
00:57:41,337 --> 00:57:43,038
than just showing
the whole move.
1288
00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:44,072
There was a shot of the floor.
1289
00:57:44,073 --> 00:57:45,140
It was a wide shot.
1290
00:57:45,141 --> 00:57:46,542
And the floor was covered
with blood.
1291
00:57:46,543 --> 00:57:47,943
It looked
like a butcher shop floor.
1292
00:57:47,944 --> 00:57:50,946
In the first preview of it,
10 women got up
1293
00:57:50,947 --> 00:57:52,548
at that moment and left the...
1294
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:54,109
The screening room.
It was just amazing.
1295
00:57:56,486 --> 00:57:57,920
I think the first thing
I realized
1296
00:57:57,921 --> 00:58:01,591
was red was a problem.
Just red, the amount of red.
1297
00:58:03,059 --> 00:58:04,327
We had a preview,
1298
00:58:04,594 --> 00:58:07,963
and about the highest
rated thing in the movie
1299
00:58:07,964 --> 00:58:10,233
was Emil getting hit by the car.
1300
00:58:12,602 --> 00:58:15,170
And the MPAA said,
"Absolutely not.
1301
00:58:15,171 --> 00:58:18,173
You cannot have that.
It's decapitation."
1302
00:58:18,174 --> 00:58:22,444
And God bless Mike Medavoy,
because to his credit, he said,
1303
00:58:22,445 --> 00:58:24,546
"We are not cutting that shot.
1304
00:58:24,547 --> 00:58:27,382
We'll go to the mat
with the MPAA on this.
1305
00:58:27,383 --> 00:58:28,651
We're not taking it out."
1306
00:58:30,420 --> 00:58:33,355
Jon Davison
made the whole crew T-shirts.
1307
00:58:33,356 --> 00:58:35,724
One side would say "RoboCop,"
1308
00:58:35,725 --> 00:58:38,794
and the other side
would say, "Fuck the MPAA."
1309
00:58:38,795 --> 00:58:40,429
It was like,
"Well, wait a minute.
1310
00:58:40,430 --> 00:58:42,465
If they wanna play games,
we'll play some games."
1311
00:58:42,665 --> 00:58:44,766
Okay, okay.
I get a kick out of it.
1312
00:58:44,767 --> 00:58:46,602
You end up wearing
them down, you know?
1313
00:58:46,603 --> 00:58:48,537
You cut maybe a frame out.
1314
00:58:48,538 --> 00:58:50,238
But you keep sending
the same stuff back
1315
00:58:50,239 --> 00:58:52,308
and they eventually give in.
1316
00:58:53,543 --> 00:58:54,543
They changed the rules
1317
00:58:54,544 --> 00:58:56,613
after that movie
about how many times
1318
00:58:56,614 --> 00:58:57,982
you can submit a film.
1319
00:58:59,416 --> 00:59:00,650
There was a moment
1320
00:59:00,651 --> 00:59:03,086
in the cutting room
where I remember Jon and Paul
1321
00:59:03,087 --> 00:59:05,688
immediately started
getting into a fight
1322
00:59:05,689 --> 00:59:07,223
and Sol Lomita, who was the head
1323
00:59:07,224 --> 00:59:09,692
of post-production at Orion,
who was a very tough guy,
1324
00:59:09,693 --> 00:59:11,260
starts yelling at Paul.
1325
00:59:11,261 --> 00:59:12,996
And Paul starts yelling back.
1326
00:59:12,997 --> 00:59:14,297
And I said,
"Wait a second, guys.
1327
00:59:14,298 --> 00:59:16,165
What if we cut the arm out?"
1328
00:59:16,166 --> 00:59:17,667
Because I always thought
it looked shitty anyway.
1329
00:59:17,668 --> 00:59:18,869
"Let's cut the arm out!"
1330
00:59:20,170 --> 00:59:21,671
And they both looked
at each other.
1331
00:59:21,672 --> 00:59:24,641
"Okay." And that was that.
And then we sent it in.
1332
00:59:24,642 --> 00:59:27,478
And with the arm out of it,
we got the R-rated.
1333
00:59:31,181 --> 00:59:32,415
When I came back
from this movie,
1334
00:59:32,416 --> 00:59:33,951
I just felt like I was dead.
1335
00:59:34,184 --> 00:59:37,354
It was a very challenging movie
to work on.
1336
00:59:37,588 --> 00:59:39,823
Constant tension and...
And conflict.
1337
00:59:40,024 --> 00:59:41,291
People were exhausted.
1338
00:59:41,525 --> 00:59:42,625
We had all had this terrible
1339
00:59:42,626 --> 00:59:44,694
rep party where everybody
behaved badly.
1340
00:59:44,695 --> 00:59:46,729
And on the plane the next day,
1341
00:59:46,730 --> 00:59:48,250
there were people
who hated each other,
1342
00:59:48,465 --> 00:59:50,867
but we were all so hung over
that we couldn't even like...
1343
00:59:50,868 --> 00:59:52,436
It was just like...
1344
00:59:52,803 --> 00:59:54,837
You know,
after finishing RoboCop,
1345
00:59:54,838 --> 00:59:57,173
I decided that I was going to go
to the mountains
1346
00:59:57,174 --> 00:59:59,342
and raise ducks
for the rest of my life.
1347
00:59:59,343 --> 01:00:01,378
It was that bad.
1348
01:00:04,815 --> 01:00:06,683
When the picture
was about to come out,
1349
01:00:06,684 --> 01:00:09,152
the head of marketing
at Orion Pictures said,
1350
01:00:09,153 --> 01:00:10,887
"I cannot market this movie.
1351
01:00:10,888 --> 01:00:14,024
It's impossible to m... to go out
with a movie called 'RoboCop'."
1352
01:00:15,325 --> 01:00:18,628
RoboCop, mechanical body,
human memory,
1353
01:00:18,629 --> 01:00:21,331
the ultimate law enforcement
operative of the future.
1354
01:00:21,665 --> 01:00:22,633
RoboCop was scheduled
1355
01:00:22,634 --> 01:00:25,768
to come out, I think,
after Labor Day.
1356
01:00:25,769 --> 01:00:28,105
And that summer,
the big blockbusters
1357
01:00:28,305 --> 01:00:30,940
from the studios
just didn't cut it.
1358
01:00:30,941 --> 01:00:32,842
And it turned out,
there were slots
1359
01:00:32,843 --> 01:00:34,510
that became open.
1360
01:00:34,511 --> 01:00:37,013
Orion didn't have much
of a budget for marketing.
1361
01:00:37,014 --> 01:00:39,516
It was a small... you know,
it was a low-budget picture.
1362
01:00:39,917 --> 01:00:42,518
And I said, "Don't position it
against something,
1363
01:00:42,519 --> 01:00:44,120
you know,
that's going to be bigger."
1364
01:00:44,121 --> 01:00:45,441
So, they put it out
in the summer.
1365
01:00:46,957 --> 01:00:50,059
RoboCop, the future of law
enforcement, rated R.
1366
01:00:50,060 --> 01:00:53,564
Starts Friday, July 17th
at a theater near you.
1367
01:00:53,864 --> 01:00:56,100
Orion made a trailer,
and it was pretty terrible.
1368
01:00:56,333 --> 01:00:58,401
The summer's new superhero
1369
01:00:58,402 --> 01:01:01,771
is America's new
super hit movie.
1370
01:01:01,772 --> 01:01:02,939
RoboCop.
1371
01:01:02,940 --> 01:01:04,073
I really love that guy.
1372
01:01:04,074 --> 01:01:05,242
Rated R.
1373
01:01:05,576 --> 01:01:08,911
And so, I hired a friend
of mine, Miller Drake,
1374
01:01:08,912 --> 01:01:11,714
from the New World
Trailer Department.
1375
01:01:11,715 --> 01:01:13,750
And he came in,
and spent a week,
1376
01:01:13,751 --> 01:01:15,219
and cut the trailer.
1377
01:01:16,587 --> 01:01:18,555
It is my great pleasure
to present to you...
1378
01:01:20,824 --> 01:01:21,824
RoboCop.
1379
01:01:23,994 --> 01:01:26,263
Orion Pictures was putting
together a trailer.
1380
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:29,899
And they didn't have any music
from our movie yet,
1381
01:01:29,900 --> 01:01:31,380
because the music
hadn't been written.
1382
01:01:31,769 --> 01:01:34,904
- Let the woman go.
- You are under arrest.
1383
01:01:34,905 --> 01:01:36,572
So, they utilized
1384
01:01:36,573 --> 01:01:39,175
Brad Fiedel's score
from Terminator.
1385
01:01:39,176 --> 01:01:40,611
You have the right
to remain silent.
1386
01:01:42,914 --> 01:01:44,234
You have the right
to an attorney.
1387
01:01:44,449 --> 01:01:46,751
What is this?
1388
01:01:46,985 --> 01:01:49,654
It's not a great trailer,
but it's an awful lot better.
1389
01:01:49,921 --> 01:01:52,289
"The future of law enforcement.
1390
01:01:52,290 --> 01:01:53,290
RoboCop."
1391
01:01:55,860 --> 01:01:59,197
RoboCop, the future
of law enforcement.
1392
01:02:00,398 --> 01:02:01,865
And of course,
1393
01:02:01,866 --> 01:02:03,500
when it was accepted,
it seemed like,
1394
01:02:03,501 --> 01:02:05,669
"Well, what other title
could there be?" You know?
1395
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:07,838
It is a perfect title in a way,
because it tells you
1396
01:02:07,839 --> 01:02:09,174
exactly what the movie is.
1397
01:02:09,574 --> 01:02:11,975
I was told I was almost gonna be
the poster for the movie,
1398
01:02:11,976 --> 01:02:13,844
because my character
with the machine gun
1399
01:02:13,845 --> 01:02:15,479
being pulled through the wall,
1400
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,214
with the two RoboCop arms
sticking through
1401
01:02:17,215 --> 01:02:18,882
was quite a photograph.
1402
01:02:18,883 --> 01:02:21,051
So, it was one of two or three
that they were considering,
1403
01:02:21,052 --> 01:02:22,332
but they went
with the right one.
1404
01:02:26,691 --> 01:02:29,760
They managed to come up
with an iconic shot,
1405
01:02:29,761 --> 01:02:32,796
which is Robo
getting out of the cruiser.
1406
01:02:32,797 --> 01:02:34,332
"Part man, part machine,
all cop."
1407
01:02:39,437 --> 01:02:42,506
And that was actually a still
that was done
1408
01:02:42,507 --> 01:02:45,809
by the on-still photographer
named Deana Newcomb.
1409
01:02:45,810 --> 01:02:48,445
And they just essentially,
what we would now call,
1410
01:02:48,446 --> 01:02:49,446
"photoshopped it".
1411
01:02:50,915 --> 01:02:52,517
That became the iconic image.
1412
01:02:57,222 --> 01:03:00,057
And it's become
an iconic poster.
1413
01:03:00,058 --> 01:03:02,392
Somebody came up with the ad
thing on the... on the poster,
1414
01:03:02,393 --> 01:03:05,929
and said, "This cop don't stop
at no donut shop."
1415
01:03:05,930 --> 01:03:07,698
One of the great
marketing things ever.
1416
01:03:07,699 --> 01:03:10,334
I thought it would have
a very limited audience.
1417
01:03:10,335 --> 01:03:11,668
I thought, "It's so strange.
1418
01:03:11,669 --> 01:03:13,804
It's so different
than anything."
1419
01:03:13,805 --> 01:03:17,008
And I thought, "This is just not
gonna work on a large scale."
1420
01:03:20,011 --> 01:03:20,945
Then the premiere
1421
01:03:20,946 --> 01:03:23,948
at the Academy Theater,
900 people,
1422
01:03:24,182 --> 01:03:26,284
my family in the audience. Wow.
1423
01:03:26,484 --> 01:03:27,951
We went to the premiere,
1424
01:03:27,952 --> 01:03:31,388
and I... I thought
the movie was fantastic.
1425
01:03:31,389 --> 01:03:32,823
I just thought it was great.
1426
01:03:32,824 --> 01:03:35,226
You know, "here I am in like
the place
1427
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,729
in Hollywood show business.
1428
01:03:38,096 --> 01:03:39,197
Wow, man!"
1429
01:03:44,235 --> 01:03:47,605
I mean, it came out in July
of '87, and people loved it.
1430
01:03:47,839 --> 01:03:49,907
Everybody loves RoboCop.
1431
01:03:49,908 --> 01:03:51,041
Holy shit!
1432
01:03:51,042 --> 01:03:52,510
We got a monster hit here.
1433
01:03:53,978 --> 01:03:56,514
RoboCop, two thumbs up.
1434
01:03:57,048 --> 01:03:58,515
RoboCop is a wonderfully funny,
1435
01:03:58,516 --> 01:04:01,286
inventive, and agreeably violent
piece of science fiction.
1436
01:04:01,552 --> 01:04:02,686
And I can't remember
the last time
1437
01:04:02,687 --> 01:04:04,255
I put all those adjectives
together.
1438
01:04:04,722 --> 01:04:07,090
Newsweek calls it,
"Slick, lively.
1439
01:04:07,091 --> 01:04:08,859
Audiences will eat it up."
1440
01:04:08,860 --> 01:04:10,060
- Wow.
- Wow.
1441
01:04:10,061 --> 01:04:11,301
Wow. This is something special.
1442
01:04:11,629 --> 01:04:15,400
It opened to such a huge
box office and a reception
1443
01:04:15,767 --> 01:04:17,044
from you know, across the board.
1444
01:04:17,068 --> 01:04:18,735
I don't think anybody knew
1445
01:04:18,736 --> 01:04:20,971
that it was gonna be as big
as it was.
1446
01:04:20,972 --> 01:04:22,406
It was so fantastic.
1447
01:04:22,407 --> 01:04:25,409
I had never seen that
in my life, you know?
1448
01:04:25,410 --> 01:04:28,113
The day I saw the film,
it was lightning in a bottle.
1449
01:04:31,183 --> 01:04:34,352
He's a stainless steel,
unstoppable Clint Eastwood.
1450
01:04:34,353 --> 01:04:36,454
I think you should run
to see this movie.
1451
01:04:36,455 --> 01:04:37,622
And not only because I'm in it,
1452
01:04:37,623 --> 01:04:39,157
but because, well, we'll talk
about it later.
1453
01:04:39,158 --> 01:04:40,158
Go see it.
1454
01:04:40,359 --> 01:04:42,360
I will.
1455
01:04:42,361 --> 01:04:43,594
There's a new guy in town.
1456
01:04:43,595 --> 01:04:46,297
Wow. This is different
than anything I'd ever seen.
1457
01:04:46,298 --> 01:04:47,565
His name's RoboCop.
1458
01:04:47,566 --> 01:04:48,633
It was really something,
1459
01:04:48,634 --> 01:04:49,994
and pretty impactful
on the public.
1460
01:04:50,102 --> 01:04:52,103
People saw it,
and they wanted to see it again.
1461
01:04:52,104 --> 01:04:53,339
- RoboCop.
- RoboCop.
1462
01:04:53,572 --> 01:04:55,207
Oh, yeah, RoboCop!
That's so cool.
1463
01:04:57,009 --> 01:05:00,011
People thought
that movie was off the chart.
1464
01:05:00,012 --> 01:05:02,046
The tone, everything, the humor.
1465
01:05:02,047 --> 01:05:03,982
RoboCop is dead-on!
1466
01:05:03,983 --> 01:05:06,285
Both as a thriller
and an unexpected comedy.
1467
01:05:07,953 --> 01:05:09,520
Truly, it's an interesting story
1468
01:05:09,521 --> 01:05:11,923
and it has a lot of depth to it,
but just on an action,
1469
01:05:11,924 --> 01:05:14,058
you know, shoot 'em up,
and blow it up,
1470
01:05:14,059 --> 01:05:15,827
and bloody it up.
1471
01:05:15,828 --> 01:05:19,397
You know, just on a popcorn,
crazy summer movie level,
1472
01:05:19,398 --> 01:05:20,865
it works on that, too.
1473
01:05:20,866 --> 01:05:22,467
The movie has a lot
of high-tech special effects.
1474
01:05:22,468 --> 01:05:24,302
It's an effective
summer thriller.
1475
01:05:24,303 --> 01:05:25,471
I enjoyed it.
1476
01:05:27,039 --> 01:05:29,607
When I left the theater,
I felt sick to my stomach.
1477
01:05:29,608 --> 01:05:30,775
I couldn't believe
what I'd seen.
1478
01:05:30,776 --> 01:05:32,844
I had no idea working on it
that that film
1479
01:05:32,845 --> 01:05:34,145
was gonna be what it was.
1480
01:05:34,146 --> 01:05:35,813
Like, takes your viscera,
1481
01:05:35,814 --> 01:05:37,982
and makes you feel
part of the deal.
1482
01:05:37,983 --> 01:05:39,851
It has some guts to it.
1483
01:05:39,852 --> 01:05:41,212
And I think
that's because of Paul.
1484
01:05:41,387 --> 01:05:43,354
A lot of people deserve credit
for this film.
1485
01:05:43,355 --> 01:05:45,556
The foremost, I guess,
is the highly regarded
1486
01:05:45,557 --> 01:05:46,959
Dutch director Paul Verhoeven.
1487
01:05:47,259 --> 01:05:49,027
We were kind of like dumbfounded
1488
01:05:49,028 --> 01:05:51,229
that, "Wow.
So, that's what Paul was...
1489
01:05:51,230 --> 01:05:52,397
Was doing."
1490
01:05:52,398 --> 01:05:53,664
And Verhoeven, you know,
1491
01:05:53,665 --> 01:05:55,967
as difficult
as he was to work with,
1492
01:05:55,968 --> 01:05:57,435
you know, he had a vision
of what he wanted,
1493
01:05:57,436 --> 01:05:58,871
and he got his movie.
1494
01:06:01,006 --> 01:06:02,807
We went to a restaurant
1495
01:06:02,808 --> 01:06:05,276
opposite to the theater
in Westwood,
1496
01:06:05,277 --> 01:06:08,647
and we're sitting there,
and then saw this line of people
1497
01:06:08,981 --> 01:06:10,148
that went like this,
1498
01:06:10,149 --> 01:06:12,750
and they go on the streets,
and then the side street,
1499
01:06:12,751 --> 01:06:14,053
and around the corner.
1500
01:06:14,286 --> 01:06:17,055
But seeing them going,
I mean, you don't see
1501
01:06:17,056 --> 01:06:19,123
that much anymore this way.
1502
01:06:19,124 --> 01:06:20,992
It was a success,
because the budget
1503
01:06:20,993 --> 01:06:23,394
was 13, and it made 120
or something
1504
01:06:23,395 --> 01:06:24,530
in the world, you know?
1505
01:06:24,897 --> 01:06:26,777
So, I'm still getting money
from them, you know?
1506
01:06:26,832 --> 01:06:28,466
I owned half the movie,
1507
01:06:28,467 --> 01:06:32,904
and I gave pieces of it
to 13 or 15 people
1508
01:06:32,905 --> 01:06:34,439
that worked on the picture.
1509
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,742
And to this very day,
we're still getting checks.
1510
01:06:37,743 --> 01:06:40,879
Still get some very decent
residual checks from RoboCop.
1511
01:06:41,213 --> 01:06:43,481
"Hey, man. Did you get the last
residual check?"
1512
01:06:43,482 --> 01:06:45,751
"Yeah, I got it."
"All right!"
1513
01:06:47,619 --> 01:06:48,753
That'll give you an idea
1514
01:06:48,754 --> 01:06:51,389
of how popular
that movie was and still is.
1515
01:06:51,390 --> 01:06:52,890
People stopping you
on the street
1516
01:06:52,891 --> 01:06:54,892
and asking you to do the laugh.
1517
01:06:54,893 --> 01:06:56,894
You get the laundry,
folding your clothes,
1518
01:06:56,895 --> 01:06:58,563
and say, "Man, do that laugh!
Man, do that laugh."
1519
01:06:58,564 --> 01:07:00,099
I'm like,
"I can't do that laugh."
1520
01:07:02,301 --> 01:07:03,868
People have said to me,
1521
01:07:03,869 --> 01:07:06,437
"Hey yeah, RoboCop."
I say, "Yeah, yeah."
1522
01:07:06,438 --> 01:07:07,472
Mm!
1523
01:07:07,473 --> 01:07:10,442
Tastes like baby food.
1524
01:07:10,443 --> 01:07:12,077
Tastes like baby food.
1525
01:07:12,078 --> 01:07:14,046
That's the one line
they never forget.
1526
01:07:14,047 --> 01:07:15,081
Knock yourself out.
1527
01:07:15,281 --> 01:07:17,449
It changed the world for me.
And I can tell you,
1528
01:07:17,450 --> 01:07:19,419
I got out of two
speeding tickets because of it.
1529
01:07:20,653 --> 01:07:22,187
Motorcycle cop pulls me over.
1530
01:07:22,188 --> 01:07:24,723
He goes,
"License and registration."
1531
01:07:24,724 --> 01:07:26,825
Flips up his shades.
1532
01:07:26,826 --> 01:07:29,161
"RoboCop,
get the fuck out of here."
1533
01:07:29,162 --> 01:07:30,529
"Have you ever seen RoboCop?"
1534
01:07:30,530 --> 01:07:32,298
And of course,
right there, the beat.
1535
01:07:33,366 --> 01:07:34,967
"We have it on a loop
in the station.
1536
01:07:34,968 --> 01:07:36,602
We watch it all the time!"
1537
01:07:36,603 --> 01:07:38,563
We got onto that subject
and off that ticket went.
1538
01:07:40,373 --> 01:07:41,940
My friend's son was like,
"Oh, yeah.
1539
01:07:41,941 --> 01:07:43,909
At college, we all watch
RoboCop like every weekend.
1540
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:45,277
I went, "You do?"
1541
01:07:45,278 --> 01:07:47,012
He goes, "Yeah."
He goes, "And you?
1542
01:07:47,013 --> 01:07:48,982
Everybody knows you.
You're like the coke whore."
1543
01:07:49,282 --> 01:07:50,817
I said, "I think I was a model."
1544
01:07:52,452 --> 01:07:54,086
The thing that is most
interesting to me
1545
01:07:54,087 --> 01:07:56,288
about all of this and I could
not have predicted it,
1546
01:07:56,289 --> 01:07:57,656
but I couldn't be more pleased,
1547
01:07:57,657 --> 01:08:01,326
is that this is somehow
like this cultural thing
1548
01:08:01,327 --> 01:08:03,962
that young men particularly,
but some young women, too,
1549
01:08:03,963 --> 01:08:04,963
really embrace.
1550
01:08:06,099 --> 01:08:07,533
I'm always amazed
1551
01:08:07,534 --> 01:08:09,335
when people come up to me,
and say,
1552
01:08:09,636 --> 01:08:12,872
"My dad took me
to see that movie
1553
01:08:13,406 --> 01:08:15,874
when I was 8 years old,
and it changed my life."
1554
01:08:15,875 --> 01:08:17,843
And I thought to myself,
1555
01:08:17,844 --> 01:08:20,179
"Why would your dad
1556
01:08:20,180 --> 01:08:22,648
- take you to see that movie?"
- I don't know.
1557
01:08:22,649 --> 01:08:24,349
"I saw it,
and I was way too young."
1558
01:08:24,350 --> 01:08:25,951
And you know...
1559
01:08:25,952 --> 01:08:27,930
And "My brother took me there
and I shouldn't have seen it."
1560
01:08:27,954 --> 01:08:29,588
"Oh, I saw this movie
when I was 8,"
1561
01:08:29,589 --> 01:08:30,889
or "I saw this movie,"
and I thought,
1562
01:08:30,890 --> 01:08:31,990
"Where were the parents?
1563
01:08:31,991 --> 01:08:33,359
You know,
what was going on there?"
1564
01:08:33,793 --> 01:08:35,494
Murphy.
1565
01:08:35,495 --> 01:08:39,665
It's a wonder you're not, you
know, a complete serial killer
1566
01:08:39,666 --> 01:08:41,501
or something. I mean, God!
1567
01:08:41,701 --> 01:08:43,736
And it's almost...
It becomes a rite of passage,
1568
01:08:44,037 --> 01:08:45,138
and kids would sneak off
1569
01:08:45,538 --> 01:08:46,905
to see it
at other people's houses.
1570
01:08:46,906 --> 01:08:50,709
"My uncle sneaked me in
and let me watch his VHS.
1571
01:08:50,710 --> 01:08:53,011
And it was cool!"
"This is my favorite movie.
1572
01:08:53,012 --> 01:08:54,513
- Don't tell your mom."
- This is, sort of,
1573
01:08:54,514 --> 01:08:57,816
their touchstone film
in lots of ways.
1574
01:08:57,817 --> 01:08:59,818
It tapped
into your, sort of, sense
1575
01:08:59,819 --> 01:09:02,087
of... of absurdity.
1576
01:09:02,088 --> 01:09:03,689
It was all the makeup,
1577
01:09:03,690 --> 01:09:07,025
and the faces dissolving,
and guns firing.
1578
01:09:07,026 --> 01:09:10,696
You know, it's that hardwired
of the charge of it all,
1579
01:09:10,697 --> 01:09:12,865
you know,
and the fascination with it all.
1580
01:09:13,099 --> 01:09:14,734
I showed my kids,
1581
01:09:15,235 --> 01:09:17,569
and they thought ED-209
was kind of funny.
1582
01:09:17,570 --> 01:09:19,705
And I'm like,
"What's wrong with you?"
1583
01:09:19,706 --> 01:09:22,241
So, I took 'em out of the will,
I kicked them out of the house.
1584
01:09:22,242 --> 01:09:23,709
Kids, look up to him.
1585
01:09:23,710 --> 01:09:24,911
Stay out of trouble.
1586
01:09:25,245 --> 01:09:28,447
I think as long as in a violent
film, there's a hero
1587
01:09:28,448 --> 01:09:33,252
that's a good role model
for kids, then you know,
1588
01:09:33,253 --> 01:09:35,187
it's got to be okay.
1589
01:09:35,188 --> 01:09:36,788
Can you do that, Dad?
1590
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:38,023
There's an
interesting thing about
1591
01:09:38,024 --> 01:09:39,926
action films
and action characters
1592
01:09:40,326 --> 01:09:42,461
that are horrifically violent.
1593
01:09:42,462 --> 01:09:43,895
And then the fallout
1594
01:09:43,896 --> 01:09:49,035
of the film begs
to the commercial world dolls.
1595
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:51,036
Drop it!
1596
01:09:51,037 --> 01:09:53,605
RoboCop and the Ultra Police,
each sold separately.
1597
01:09:53,606 --> 01:09:55,276
Criminals, give up.
1598
01:09:55,576 --> 01:09:57,944
I didn't expect
all of the merchandising.
1599
01:09:57,945 --> 01:09:59,245
That was a surprise.
1600
01:09:59,246 --> 01:10:01,514
RoboCop and evil ED-260
1601
01:10:01,515 --> 01:10:03,916
face off
with rapid repeat cap firing.
1602
01:10:03,917 --> 01:10:05,919
I mean, RoboCop, right?
1603
01:10:06,153 --> 01:10:10,757
So, the kids want RoboCop
costume, you know, and stuff.
1604
01:10:10,758 --> 01:10:12,158
What do you expect
from the studios?
1605
01:10:12,293 --> 01:10:16,429
The helmet, the look,
the power of RoboCop.
1606
01:10:16,430 --> 01:10:18,264
The idea of RoboCop
1607
01:10:18,265 --> 01:10:21,434
appealing to kids and everything
didn't surprise me in the least.
1608
01:10:21,435 --> 01:10:23,136
I expected it.
1609
01:10:23,137 --> 01:10:25,105
I went, "Wow.
This is a comic book film.
1610
01:10:25,372 --> 01:10:26,906
There's no comic book."
1611
01:10:26,907 --> 01:10:29,676
And then I think Marvel
did the comic after.
1612
01:10:29,677 --> 01:10:30,778
And it was just a natural.
1613
01:10:33,247 --> 01:10:36,849
Well, the audience for the comic
was never really very clear.
1614
01:10:36,850 --> 01:10:38,718
I think it was clearly...
1615
01:10:38,719 --> 01:10:41,020
It had to be for younger
age group.
1616
01:10:41,021 --> 01:10:43,256
Although, I was never really
totally certain why,
1617
01:10:43,257 --> 01:10:45,325
because actually
most comic books,
1618
01:10:45,326 --> 01:10:47,994
certainly by then,
were for late teenagers,
1619
01:10:47,995 --> 01:10:49,329
early 20s.
1620
01:10:49,330 --> 01:10:50,731
But you could tell
that the stories
1621
01:10:50,931 --> 01:10:53,032
were starting to go
in a direction
1622
01:10:53,033 --> 01:10:56,402
that you might expect
a good continuation
1623
01:10:56,403 --> 01:10:58,872
of the movie
to be coming up with.
1624
01:10:59,106 --> 01:11:01,407
You still couldn't show
people's heads being blown off
1625
01:11:01,408 --> 01:11:02,675
or anything like that.
1626
01:11:02,676 --> 01:11:04,944
Actually, to my relief,
because the older I get,
1627
01:11:04,945 --> 01:11:06,113
the more squeamish I get.
1628
01:11:08,148 --> 01:11:09,716
It was fantastic seeing RoboCop
1629
01:11:09,717 --> 01:11:11,551
come out in all these different
iterations,
1630
01:11:11,552 --> 01:11:12,752
the games, the toys, you know?
1631
01:11:12,753 --> 01:11:14,354
I mean, I like to buy 'em.
1632
01:11:14,355 --> 01:11:16,323
I must have put $100
worth of quarters
1633
01:11:16,724 --> 01:11:18,825
into uh, that machine.
1634
01:11:18,826 --> 01:11:20,727
Don't move, creep!
1635
01:11:20,728 --> 01:11:21,728
It was bitchin'.
1636
01:11:26,066 --> 01:11:27,735
Thank you for your cooperation.
1637
01:11:28,202 --> 01:11:29,669
After being mortally wounded
1638
01:11:29,670 --> 01:11:32,239
in the line of duty,
Officer Murphy is outfitted
1639
01:11:32,673 --> 01:11:36,043
by OCP with bulletproof
titanium robotic parts.
1640
01:11:36,510 --> 01:11:37,630
When it came to the cartoons
1641
01:11:37,711 --> 01:11:39,979
and all that stuff, you know,
that stuff wasn't anywhere
1642
01:11:39,980 --> 01:11:41,782
near as violent as the feature.
1643
01:11:42,149 --> 01:11:45,018
He has become
the ultimate super cop.
1644
01:11:46,186 --> 01:11:47,221
RoboCop.
1645
01:11:48,989 --> 01:11:51,258
And I was very impressed
with the guy who played my part.
1646
01:11:51,692 --> 01:11:55,261
I bet you don't think
I'm a very nice person.
1647
01:11:55,262 --> 01:11:56,797
I think you're scum.
1648
01:11:58,332 --> 01:11:59,799
It just blew their little minds.
1649
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:01,901
It's okay, Murphy.
1650
01:12:01,902 --> 01:12:03,637
It's me, Lewis.
1651
01:12:05,005 --> 01:12:07,125
So, it was fun. You know,
it's fun to be part of that.
1652
01:12:08,575 --> 01:12:10,209
You will have a time as a child,
1653
01:12:10,210 --> 01:12:13,012
where you'll see a picture
which will shape you
1654
01:12:13,013 --> 01:12:14,081
the rest of your life.
1655
01:12:14,448 --> 01:12:17,283
It gets into your head
and into your heart as a child,
1656
01:12:17,284 --> 01:12:19,485
and it becomes a loved thing.
1657
01:12:19,486 --> 01:12:22,088
And it really has a power
and a motive force
1658
01:12:22,089 --> 01:12:23,089
the rest of your life.
1659
01:12:24,958 --> 01:12:27,094
One of the most
remarkable things is that
1660
01:12:27,628 --> 01:12:31,564
a mom came up to me, my age,
with a kid
1661
01:12:31,565 --> 01:12:34,567
in his 40s, and he said
he was on the wrong side
1662
01:12:34,568 --> 01:12:36,502
of the law when he was 12.
1663
01:12:36,503 --> 01:12:38,838
And his mom showed him RoboCop.
1664
01:12:38,839 --> 01:12:41,109
He says, "I saw RoboCop,
and I wanna be a cop.
1665
01:12:41,476 --> 01:12:44,278
I left my friends,"
changed his playground,
1666
01:12:44,279 --> 01:12:45,913
and became this cop, man.
1667
01:12:45,914 --> 01:12:49,416
That's a service
that I can never dream
1668
01:12:49,417 --> 01:12:52,453
that any movie would do
or be of,
1669
01:12:52,454 --> 01:12:54,122
is that change a guy's life.
1670
01:12:55,924 --> 01:12:57,090
I know that Ed and I,
1671
01:12:57,091 --> 01:12:59,694
we talked for a moment
about the sequel,
1672
01:13:00,161 --> 01:13:03,297
but I think the studio felt
that we were not fast enough
1673
01:13:03,298 --> 01:13:05,098
and went other ways.
1674
01:13:05,099 --> 01:13:07,234
Orion was in financial trouble.
1675
01:13:07,235 --> 01:13:08,769
Because it was successful,
1676
01:13:08,770 --> 01:13:10,939
they immediately
wanted to do another one.
1677
01:13:12,474 --> 01:13:13,508
Taking over, creep.
1678
01:13:17,278 --> 01:13:19,280
The misfire of the sequel,
1679
01:13:19,481 --> 01:13:22,483
and then number three
was just horrible.
1680
01:13:22,484 --> 01:13:24,151
He's taking the future.
1681
01:13:24,152 --> 01:13:25,786
What in the name...
1682
01:13:25,787 --> 01:13:28,156
And giving it back
to the people.
1683
01:13:29,657 --> 01:13:31,658
RoboCop 3.
1684
01:13:31,659 --> 01:13:34,496
But that's more aimed
at children to make it PG-13.
1685
01:13:34,696 --> 01:13:36,897
So, then more people would come.
1686
01:13:36,898 --> 01:13:38,732
And some people like 2.
1687
01:13:38,733 --> 01:13:40,634
I don't know too many people
who like 3.
1688
01:13:40,635 --> 01:13:41,902
You know, it set the stage
1689
01:13:41,903 --> 01:13:43,570
for the rest of 'em,
but they always say
1690
01:13:43,571 --> 01:13:44,706
the first one's the best.
1691
01:13:45,039 --> 01:13:47,207
There's that first flash
when you get hit in the face,
1692
01:13:47,208 --> 01:13:48,642
and that was probably
what the first movie was.
1693
01:13:48,643 --> 01:13:50,403
And then everything else
was just body shots.
1694
01:13:54,382 --> 01:13:56,750
In the time
since that film has come out,
1695
01:13:56,751 --> 01:13:59,319
it's grown a massive following.
1696
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:01,889
It's really difficult to get
a movie that works everywhere,
1697
01:14:01,890 --> 01:14:03,824
and RoboCop works everywhere.
1698
01:14:03,825 --> 01:14:05,459
And it's still popular
to this day.
1699
01:14:05,460 --> 01:14:06,461
The success of RoboCop
1700
01:14:06,861 --> 01:14:09,330
is more basically
that it's still there now
1701
01:14:09,597 --> 01:14:11,866
than that it was
such a big success. That...
1702
01:14:14,836 --> 01:14:17,838
The idea of landing a superhero
1703
01:14:17,839 --> 01:14:21,375
within the consciousness
of Western civilization,
1704
01:14:21,376 --> 01:14:23,176
I feel very lucky
to have been a part of that.
1705
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:27,181
RoboCop predicted,
1706
01:14:27,415 --> 01:14:30,484
sort of, the decadence
of what our media is like today,
1707
01:14:30,485 --> 01:14:32,152
I think, and... and our politics.
1708
01:14:32,153 --> 01:14:33,487
You better be careful, man.
1709
01:14:33,488 --> 01:14:36,156
- I hear Jones is a real shark.
- Who asked you, twerp?
1710
01:14:36,157 --> 01:14:37,559
We were so on target.
1711
01:14:39,327 --> 01:14:40,727
The movie is so precise,
1712
01:14:40,728 --> 01:14:43,030
and there is really nothing
in the movie
1713
01:14:43,031 --> 01:14:44,799
that I would say
that was not good.
1714
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:46,400
There are parallels
1715
01:14:46,401 --> 01:14:49,636
you can draw to our...
Our daily political life,
1716
01:14:49,637 --> 01:14:51,738
our daily social life.
1717
01:14:51,739 --> 01:14:53,907
There are aspects of it
that are still true today
1718
01:14:53,908 --> 01:14:57,178
and becoming more true
every day.
1719
01:14:57,645 --> 01:14:58,613
It also forecast
1720
01:14:58,614 --> 01:15:00,214
the militarization
of the police,
1721
01:15:00,582 --> 01:15:02,082
how the police
are all decked out
1722
01:15:02,083 --> 01:15:03,985
in these body armor
and kevlar vests,
1723
01:15:04,385 --> 01:15:06,788
and they have this massive
military presence.
1724
01:15:07,422 --> 01:15:09,222
Halt it!
1725
01:15:09,223 --> 01:15:10,757
Violence is on the rise,
1726
01:15:10,758 --> 01:15:14,061
citizens are defenseless,
the businesses are corrupt,
1727
01:15:14,062 --> 01:15:15,830
people build big products
that don't work.
1728
01:15:18,299 --> 01:15:21,568
And now, we have robots
taking over all kinds of jobs.
1729
01:15:21,569 --> 01:15:24,305
So, it's become more
of a reality than ever.
1730
01:15:24,306 --> 01:15:26,008
And all of that, unfortunately,
1731
01:15:26,375 --> 01:15:29,310
and alas, has now gone up
a whole order of magnitude
1732
01:15:29,311 --> 01:15:31,479
in today's society.
1733
01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:32,914
It's prophetic.
1734
01:15:32,915 --> 01:15:34,248
I think we made a joke
1735
01:15:34,249 --> 01:15:36,918
about human nature,
and politics, and society,
1736
01:15:36,919 --> 01:15:39,854
and we had, sort of, a snapshot
we created.
1737
01:15:39,855 --> 01:15:42,790
It's about the American tragedy,
1738
01:15:42,791 --> 01:15:45,628
and that's the legacy
of the classic.
1739
01:15:45,828 --> 01:15:48,263
The first glance,
it's about this.
1740
01:15:48,697 --> 01:15:51,634
Second glance, it's about
something much more profound.
1741
01:15:54,236 --> 01:15:57,238
Looking back on RoboCop,
1742
01:15:57,239 --> 01:16:00,876
what really sticks with me
is a lesson.
1743
01:16:01,243 --> 01:16:03,846
Time heals all pain.
1744
01:16:04,146 --> 01:16:06,147
The crew got thrown together
1745
01:16:06,148 --> 01:16:09,652
in this big cauldron
with this great story.
1746
01:16:10,052 --> 01:16:13,287
Ed Neumeier and Michael Miner,
the writers, were brilliant.
1747
01:16:13,288 --> 01:16:16,624
Add to that
a brilliant director.
1748
01:16:16,625 --> 01:16:18,493
RoboCop was a miracle.
1749
01:16:18,494 --> 01:16:21,796
It was the right people
at the right time
1750
01:16:21,797 --> 01:16:24,466
coming together
to make something different.
1751
01:16:24,667 --> 01:16:26,734
I think what plays a part here
1752
01:16:26,735 --> 01:16:29,904
is my relying on intuition
and not knowing.
1753
01:16:29,905 --> 01:16:33,341
I think that RoboCop
is the best movie I made.
1754
01:16:33,342 --> 01:16:34,342
Drop it!
1755
01:16:38,814 --> 01:16:40,048
The '80s just happened
1756
01:16:40,049 --> 01:16:43,217
to be a time when Hollywood
had finally discovered
1757
01:16:43,218 --> 01:16:46,088
that they could make A movies
out of B movies,
1758
01:16:46,288 --> 01:16:48,356
and they just went wild with it.
1759
01:16:48,357 --> 01:16:50,225
Who are you?
1760
01:16:50,459 --> 01:16:51,492
Being in RoboCop
1761
01:16:51,493 --> 01:16:54,563
is like being
in a little time capsule,
1762
01:16:54,763 --> 01:16:56,564
just a super cool,
1763
01:16:56,565 --> 01:16:58,901
frozen-in-time
pop culture moment.
1764
01:17:00,102 --> 01:17:01,536
We get lucky,
1765
01:17:01,537 --> 01:17:04,205
and we get to work on a show
now and again that resonates
1766
01:17:04,206 --> 01:17:06,709
and has some relevance
beyond just the entertainment.
1767
01:17:06,942 --> 01:17:09,344
The Tigers are playing tonight.
1768
01:17:09,678 --> 01:17:12,013
I'm proud of the reaction
1769
01:17:12,014 --> 01:17:15,750
that I've had to my work
in RoboCop,
1770
01:17:15,751 --> 01:17:18,186
to know that you've had
an effect on people.
1771
01:17:18,187 --> 01:17:19,187
It's pleasing to me.
1772
01:17:19,188 --> 01:17:21,355
Wow! I can't believe it.
1773
01:17:21,356 --> 01:17:25,561
It has made such an impact
on people for so long.
1774
01:17:27,496 --> 01:17:29,197
I think every
successive generation
1775
01:17:29,198 --> 01:17:30,499
discovers it for themselves,
1776
01:17:30,799 --> 01:17:33,735
and it becomes a whole new
thing all over again.
1777
01:17:33,736 --> 01:17:35,236
The thing that has sustained it,
1778
01:17:35,237 --> 01:17:37,872
I think, through the years
is the fact
1779
01:17:37,873 --> 01:17:39,117
that there is a heart
and soul to it.
1780
01:17:39,141 --> 01:17:41,143
Murphy, it's you.
1781
01:17:41,510 --> 01:17:45,346
I also think there's a sort of
an optimism in it also,
1782
01:17:45,347 --> 01:17:47,915
which says
"We'll go on somehow, you know?
1783
01:17:47,916 --> 01:17:49,250
We'll bumble along.
1784
01:17:49,251 --> 01:17:51,553
And some people will be fools,
but somehow,
1785
01:17:51,887 --> 01:17:53,454
right will prevail."
1786
01:17:53,455 --> 01:17:56,557
And in some ways,
RoboCop stands in for that.
1787
01:17:56,558 --> 01:17:58,092
Your move, creep.
1788
01:17:58,093 --> 01:17:59,695
He is that character
1789
01:17:59,895 --> 01:18:01,963
that will take us through,
that says,
1790
01:18:01,964 --> 01:18:05,968
"We can cope with these changes
of technology or politics."
1791
01:18:07,402 --> 01:18:09,271
I am proud
to have been part of it,
1792
01:18:09,272 --> 01:18:11,241
and it is unique,
and that's why it lives.
1793
01:18:11,574 --> 01:18:13,476
- Dead or alive...
- You are coming with me.
1794
01:18:13,710 --> 01:18:16,079
And there's a punch in the face
1795
01:18:16,713 --> 01:18:18,381
and the heart with RoboCop.
1796
01:18:18,615 --> 01:18:21,650
About your world now
that'll be resonant
1797
01:18:21,651 --> 01:18:23,552
for a long time to come.
1798
01:18:23,553 --> 01:18:26,656
Thank you for your cooperation.
Goodnight.
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