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The movie is so precise. 3 00:00:35,988 --> 00:00:38,424 The Verhoeven mantra on RoboCop was blood. 4 00:00:38,424 --> 00:00:40,393 I want more fucking blood. 5 00:00:40,393 --> 00:00:42,095 I never met anybody 6 00:00:42,095 --> 00:00:44,330 that had a good time making RoboCop. 7 00:00:44,330 --> 00:00:46,666 The '80s in America were a tipping point. 8 00:00:46,666 --> 00:00:49,936 It had this prescient dark side. 9 00:00:49,936 --> 00:00:51,871 That's the lightning in the bottle. 10 00:00:51,871 --> 00:00:55,775 It's a character that's a wonderful, unique hero. 11 00:00:55,775 --> 00:00:58,778 One of the really iconic movies around. 12 00:00:58,778 --> 00:01:01,881 It lives because of its theme. 13 00:01:01,881 --> 00:01:06,352 And the theme is executed right down the line. 14 00:01:06,352 --> 00:01:10,556 There's a sincere purity about his goals, 15 00:01:10,556 --> 00:01:12,391 and yet he promises action. 16 00:03:13,546 --> 00:03:16,048 I'd been thinking about, sort of, action movies 17 00:03:16,048 --> 00:03:19,585 and strangely business in 1980. 18 00:03:19,585 --> 00:03:21,187 And in particular, I was thinking 19 00:03:21,187 --> 00:03:22,855 about how could I do a movie where there was business 20 00:03:22,855 --> 00:03:23,923 and action together. 21 00:03:25,424 --> 00:03:27,994 I'm Ed Neumeier, and I'm the co-screenwriter 22 00:03:27,994 --> 00:03:29,595 and co-producer of RoboCop. 23 00:03:30,596 --> 00:03:32,531 I was very interested in science fiction, 24 00:03:32,531 --> 00:03:35,768 and I was working as a reader at Warner Brothers. 25 00:03:35,768 --> 00:03:37,903 It was then called TBS. It was shared. 26 00:03:37,903 --> 00:03:39,272 Both Columbia Pictures and Warner Brothers 27 00:03:39,272 --> 00:03:40,773 were on it a lot. 28 00:03:40,773 --> 00:03:42,942 And that's where Blade Runner was shot. 29 00:03:44,076 --> 00:03:47,513 In 1981, when I was on the set of Blade Runner, 30 00:03:47,513 --> 00:03:48,714 I wasn't really working on the movie, 31 00:03:48,714 --> 00:03:50,583 but I was kind of pretending to. 32 00:03:50,583 --> 00:03:51,617 I remember asking someone on the set, 33 00:03:51,617 --> 00:03:52,952 "So, what's this movie about?" 34 00:03:52,952 --> 00:03:54,220 And they said, "Oh, it's about a robot." 35 00:03:54,220 --> 00:03:55,421 And I went, "Oh, cool, a robot." 36 00:03:55,421 --> 00:03:57,523 Because I always had liked robots. 37 00:03:57,523 --> 00:03:59,392 And then they pointed at Sean Young, 38 00:03:59,392 --> 00:04:00,926 and they said, "That's the robot." 39 00:04:00,926 --> 00:04:03,929 And I went, "Oh, no, that can't be the robot. 40 00:04:03,929 --> 00:04:05,464 I know what a robot looks like." 41 00:04:06,365 --> 00:04:07,466 And on the set of Blade Runner, 42 00:04:07,466 --> 00:04:09,568 I had the idea for RoboCop. 43 00:04:09,568 --> 00:04:11,103 And later that night, 44 00:04:11,103 --> 00:04:13,472 I saw that blue car which they call a spinner. 45 00:04:13,472 --> 00:04:15,141 And there was something to a young man 46 00:04:15,141 --> 00:04:17,143 that was very seductive about that. 47 00:04:17,143 --> 00:04:18,778 The name RoboCop came to my mind, 48 00:04:18,778 --> 00:04:22,215 and kind of an image of the character. 49 00:04:22,215 --> 00:04:25,118 And I give a lot of credit to Ridley Scott's art direction, 50 00:04:25,118 --> 00:04:27,821 to really creating a mood where suddenly, 51 00:04:27,821 --> 00:04:30,657 you have this idea about something else. 52 00:04:31,491 --> 00:04:33,560 And then it took about four years 53 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,664 of thinking about this plot, and story, and the character 54 00:04:37,664 --> 00:04:39,633 until it really germinated into an idea 55 00:04:39,633 --> 00:04:41,635 I started writing down. 56 00:04:41,635 --> 00:04:43,170 But eventually, I got a better job, 57 00:04:43,170 --> 00:04:45,906 and I became an executive, a junior executive at Universal. 58 00:04:45,906 --> 00:04:48,675 I was reading a lot of comic books for a studio. 59 00:04:48,675 --> 00:04:50,277 They came to me one day, and said, 60 00:04:50,277 --> 00:04:51,678 "Ed, read these comic books." 61 00:04:51,678 --> 00:04:54,915 These, sort of, modern, neurotic superhero. 62 00:04:54,915 --> 00:04:57,751 Iron Man, Machine Man , because the superhero 63 00:04:57,751 --> 00:04:59,586 had, sort of, trouble being a superhero. 64 00:04:59,586 --> 00:05:01,154 Even though he had all these powers, 65 00:05:01,154 --> 00:05:02,856 there was, like, something going on inside. 66 00:05:02,856 --> 00:05:04,991 So, he was, sort of, like a superhero with a headache. 67 00:05:04,991 --> 00:05:06,493 You know, I kind of showed up suddenly, 68 00:05:06,493 --> 00:05:08,495 and I'm wearing a suit, and I'm a little nervous 69 00:05:08,495 --> 00:05:10,097 about, "Why am I here?" 70 00:05:10,097 --> 00:05:11,665 Because I didn't really feel like an executive type, 71 00:05:11,665 --> 00:05:12,632 but it was a good job. 72 00:05:12,632 --> 00:05:13,500 Yes, sir. 73 00:05:13,500 --> 00:05:14,801 You can, sort of, see 74 00:05:14,801 --> 00:05:16,703 in the executive scenes in RoboCop 75 00:05:16,703 --> 00:05:18,638 that there is that young character 76 00:05:18,638 --> 00:05:20,674 who eventually gets shot, you know? 77 00:05:20,674 --> 00:05:22,509 I kind of saw myself as Kinney. 78 00:05:22,509 --> 00:05:24,378 Too bad about Kenny, huh? 79 00:05:24,378 --> 00:05:25,645 That's life in a big city. 80 00:05:25,645 --> 00:05:27,013 It was while I was there 81 00:05:27,013 --> 00:05:28,515 that I was really doing a lot of the plotting, 82 00:05:28,515 --> 00:05:31,618 and that's where I met Michael Miner. 83 00:05:31,618 --> 00:05:34,020 My name is Michael Miner, and I co-wrote RoboCop. 84 00:05:34,020 --> 00:05:35,622 Miner was older than me, 85 00:05:35,622 --> 00:05:37,824 but he was then a young filmmaker from UCLA, 86 00:05:37,824 --> 00:05:39,059 where I had also gone. 87 00:05:39,059 --> 00:05:41,528 Ed viewed a package of short films 88 00:05:41,528 --> 00:05:44,131 that a bunch of UCLA filmmakers made, 89 00:05:44,131 --> 00:05:45,999 and mine was one of them. 90 00:05:45,999 --> 00:05:49,136 I started shooting music videos as a director camera operator. 91 00:05:49,136 --> 00:05:51,638 Did about ten of them. They were heavy metal videos. 92 00:05:51,638 --> 00:05:56,042 I made experimental films in the vein of Nicolas Rogue 93 00:05:56,042 --> 00:05:58,412 and the French New Wave, 94 00:05:58,412 --> 00:06:00,714 but was also heavily influenced by Philip K. Dick 95 00:06:00,714 --> 00:06:02,916 and Jorge Luis Borges. 96 00:06:02,916 --> 00:06:05,352 They were my, you would say, literary mentors. 97 00:06:06,853 --> 00:06:08,688 The type of science fiction I was interested in 98 00:06:08,688 --> 00:06:10,424 had a social aspect. 99 00:06:10,424 --> 00:06:13,593 What it means to be human, what is reality, 100 00:06:13,593 --> 00:06:16,997 whether reality as we see it is questionable, 101 00:06:16,997 --> 00:06:19,266 all of those things. 102 00:06:19,266 --> 00:06:21,268 I started developing an idea called Supercop, 103 00:06:21,268 --> 00:06:25,605 which was about an appliance that a human wears 104 00:06:25,605 --> 00:06:27,674 that accelerates all of that person's 105 00:06:27,674 --> 00:06:29,176 physical attributes. 106 00:06:29,176 --> 00:06:31,111 And the crux of the drama was that it starts 107 00:06:31,111 --> 00:06:34,681 affecting the psychology of the cops in psychotic ways. 108 00:06:34,681 --> 00:06:36,416 He came to see me looking for a job, 109 00:06:36,416 --> 00:06:37,717 but instead, I said, 110 00:06:37,717 --> 00:06:39,019 "Hey, let's do a movie about a robot." 111 00:06:41,121 --> 00:06:42,856 We had lunch, and we found out, 112 00:06:42,856 --> 00:06:45,358 "Wow, we were thinking in these similar, sort of, vein 113 00:06:45,358 --> 00:06:48,094 of what is the future of law enforcement. 114 00:06:48,094 --> 00:06:50,363 And it was pretty much a, I won't say 115 00:06:50,363 --> 00:06:52,732 love at first sight, but we really hit it off. 116 00:06:52,732 --> 00:06:54,301 And one thing led to another. 117 00:06:54,301 --> 00:06:58,138 And we started writing a script on nights and weekends 118 00:06:58,138 --> 00:07:00,140 called RoboCop. 119 00:07:00,140 --> 00:07:01,908 Ed and I do very different things, 120 00:07:01,908 --> 00:07:04,110 which is kind of what you want in a partnership. 121 00:07:04,110 --> 00:07:07,080 I am full of frothy amount of ideas, 122 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,282 where Ed is more of a solid backstop, 123 00:07:09,282 --> 00:07:11,451 and he's a no BS kind of guy. 124 00:07:11,451 --> 00:07:15,088 So, part of our process was myself pitching things, 125 00:07:15,088 --> 00:07:17,090 nine of which were pretty bad, 126 00:07:17,090 --> 00:07:18,792 but the tenth one, when it landed, 127 00:07:18,792 --> 00:07:21,328 it was usually, you know, something that Ed recognized 128 00:07:21,328 --> 00:07:23,897 as a solid, dramatic piece. 129 00:07:23,897 --> 00:07:26,600 And that was part of the glue of our partnership. 130 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,435 I actually told them 131 00:07:28,435 --> 00:07:30,237 that somebody in my family had died, 132 00:07:30,237 --> 00:07:33,440 so I could leave for two weeks and go write the first act, 133 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,176 which I did in San Anselmo, the town where I grew up. 134 00:07:36,176 --> 00:07:38,478 And the funny part of it was that they sent me flowers, 135 00:07:38,478 --> 00:07:39,746 which I felt very bad about. 136 00:07:42,682 --> 00:07:46,152 Ed had a very solid first act, including the torture murder. 137 00:07:46,152 --> 00:07:48,321 I came along and filled in a lot of blanks 138 00:07:48,321 --> 00:07:50,690 about the corporate conspiracy, 139 00:07:50,690 --> 00:07:53,593 how the criminals, Clarence and Dick Jones, 140 00:07:53,593 --> 00:07:57,464 linked up, had a kind of cabal to manipulate Delta City. 141 00:07:57,464 --> 00:07:59,432 At times, it was very difficult, 142 00:07:59,432 --> 00:08:02,869 because we were both in the room pacing, typing. 143 00:08:02,869 --> 00:08:06,373 We would be late at night, tugging over specific lines, 144 00:08:06,373 --> 00:08:07,641 specific jokes. 145 00:08:07,641 --> 00:08:09,509 It was very hard. 146 00:08:09,509 --> 00:08:11,611 But then there were other times when something came out, like, 147 00:08:11,611 --> 00:08:13,480 "He's old, we're young, that's life." 148 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,983 I just blurted that out one day, and it just landed. 149 00:08:16,983 --> 00:08:20,053 We struggled together to figure this thing out. 150 00:08:20,053 --> 00:08:22,188 The great thing about the first drafts 151 00:08:22,188 --> 00:08:23,990 of RoboCop was they were funny, 152 00:08:23,990 --> 00:08:25,525 they were insightful, 153 00:08:25,525 --> 00:08:29,129 they were critiquing social mores of the time, 154 00:08:29,129 --> 00:08:30,730 particularly the Reagan era. 155 00:08:30,730 --> 00:08:31,998 If you know anything 156 00:08:31,998 --> 00:08:34,367 about the '80s and Ronald Reagan, 157 00:08:34,367 --> 00:08:36,036 everything was privatized. 158 00:08:36,036 --> 00:08:38,638 The climate was ripe, I think. The country was ready. 159 00:08:38,638 --> 00:08:40,674 They were tired of this BS, right? 160 00:08:40,674 --> 00:08:44,678 And so, they were ready for this satire about Maricona. 161 00:08:44,678 --> 00:08:47,581 I later offered Universal the script, 162 00:08:47,581 --> 00:08:49,516 and they said, "You've made a mistake. 163 00:08:49,516 --> 00:08:51,751 And the mistake you've made is that the robot 164 00:08:51,751 --> 00:08:53,153 should not look like a robot. 165 00:08:53,153 --> 00:08:54,588 It should look like a man on the outside. 166 00:08:54,588 --> 00:08:56,189 That's the way you do it," they said. 167 00:08:56,189 --> 00:08:57,824 'Cause they'd dumped The Six Million Dollar Man, 168 00:08:57,824 --> 00:08:59,893 and that's what they thought it should be. 169 00:08:59,893 --> 00:09:03,563 But luckily, they didn't buy it. 170 00:09:03,563 --> 00:09:06,533 Terminator was about to come out. 171 00:09:06,533 --> 00:09:09,336 And we consciously stayed away from it as long as we could. 172 00:09:09,336 --> 00:09:12,172 There was an industry screening that we finally went to. 173 00:09:14,074 --> 00:09:16,843 We saw it halfway through the writing of the script. 174 00:09:16,843 --> 00:09:18,578 There was a particular guy I was romancing, 175 00:09:18,578 --> 00:09:20,914 who I was trying to get to buy RoboCop. 176 00:09:20,914 --> 00:09:22,849 This guy named Stan Lee, 177 00:09:22,849 --> 00:09:24,751 who was then working for Marvel Pictures. 178 00:09:24,751 --> 00:09:27,454 And Marvel was not such a big going concern 179 00:09:27,454 --> 00:09:28,855 at that moment, and they liked it, 180 00:09:28,855 --> 00:09:30,890 but they didn't make an offer for it. 181 00:09:31,524 --> 00:09:33,393 We took Stan Lee during that time 182 00:09:33,393 --> 00:09:34,794 to Paramount Pictures 183 00:09:34,794 --> 00:09:36,596 to see an early screening of Terminator. 184 00:09:36,596 --> 00:09:39,799 And when we left the theater, Stan Lee turned to us, and said, 185 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:42,302 "Well, boys, you're never gonna beat that!" 186 00:09:42,302 --> 00:09:44,304 And I was like, "Oh, shit." 187 00:09:46,039 --> 00:09:48,375 And so, we went back to work, and we finished the script. 188 00:09:48,375 --> 00:09:50,243 And in some ways, Terminator didn't hurt us, 189 00:09:50,243 --> 00:09:51,945 it helped us. 190 00:09:51,945 --> 00:09:53,747 Because for Orion, Terminator was this, sort of, 191 00:09:53,747 --> 00:09:55,148 down-and-dirty movie 192 00:09:55,148 --> 00:09:56,916 that they weren't even very happy about, 193 00:09:56,916 --> 00:09:58,752 and then it made a lot of money. 194 00:09:58,752 --> 00:10:01,054 And suddenly, they were like, "Oh. Well, that's not so bad." 195 00:10:01,054 --> 00:10:02,822 I have no doubt whatsoever 196 00:10:02,822 --> 00:10:05,725 that the reason why RoboCop was green-lighted at Orion 197 00:10:05,725 --> 00:10:07,961 was because Terminator had done so well. 198 00:10:07,961 --> 00:10:09,329 Later, Jim Cameron, 199 00:10:09,329 --> 00:10:10,764 I think, thought we had copied him, 200 00:10:10,764 --> 00:10:12,399 but it wasn't true, 201 00:10:12,399 --> 00:10:14,067 because I had never read the Terminator script, 202 00:10:14,067 --> 00:10:16,403 and we were-- you know, had plotted it completely 203 00:10:16,403 --> 00:10:17,404 and were halfway done. 204 00:10:19,439 --> 00:10:23,109 The original spec was finished in December of 1984. 205 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,648 Unlike Columbia and Fox, who both passed, 206 00:10:28,648 --> 00:10:31,351 Orion didn't have an apparatus to develop screenplays. 207 00:10:31,351 --> 00:10:33,753 Orion essentially rose from the ashes 208 00:10:33,753 --> 00:10:36,022 of United Artists, which was burnt to the ground 209 00:10:36,022 --> 00:10:38,191 by Michael Cimino in Heaven's Gate. 210 00:10:38,191 --> 00:10:40,460 And so, people like Mike Medavoy, 211 00:10:40,460 --> 00:10:43,029 a couple of other people, formed Orion Pictures. 212 00:10:43,029 --> 00:10:46,099 Orion were known for being a studio 213 00:10:46,099 --> 00:10:48,601 that you went to if you had a special project 214 00:10:48,601 --> 00:10:51,137 or if you wanted to get something done your way. 215 00:10:51,137 --> 00:10:52,305 You were left alone. 216 00:10:52,305 --> 00:10:54,641 A producer-driven company. 217 00:10:56,943 --> 00:10:59,646 John Davison producing a movie makes you believe in God. 218 00:10:59,646 --> 00:11:02,182 John Davison, executive producer. 219 00:11:02,182 --> 00:11:04,551 Because there was nobody more perfect 220 00:11:04,551 --> 00:11:06,186 to produce this movie, and I did not know it. 221 00:11:06,186 --> 00:11:08,288 However, I did know of John Davison 222 00:11:08,288 --> 00:11:09,622 before I met him. 223 00:11:09,622 --> 00:11:11,057 I knew a bunch of the Corman people, 224 00:11:11,057 --> 00:11:13,193 and he was already respected in that crowd. 225 00:11:13,193 --> 00:11:15,395 I got a job for New World Pictures, 226 00:11:15,395 --> 00:11:17,797 was later in charge of production for him, 227 00:11:17,797 --> 00:11:21,468 and started producing pictures for Roger Corman. 228 00:11:21,468 --> 00:11:23,470 So, the way we got it to him was, 229 00:11:23,470 --> 00:11:25,538 a friend of mine was friends with a director 230 00:11:25,538 --> 00:11:26,806 named Jonathan Kaplan. 231 00:11:26,806 --> 00:11:28,308 And Jonathan read it. 232 00:11:28,308 --> 00:11:29,709 And Jonathan said, "You know, this is perfect 233 00:11:29,709 --> 00:11:31,478 for John Davison." 234 00:11:31,478 --> 00:11:34,414 And Jonathan sent it to me, said, "This thing isn't for me, 235 00:11:34,414 --> 00:11:36,883 but, you know, maybe you'd be interested." 236 00:11:36,883 --> 00:11:39,219 So, I read it, and I was. 237 00:11:39,219 --> 00:11:41,721 Jon Davison, I remember, called me, and he said... 238 00:11:41,721 --> 00:11:43,356 It sounds good. 239 00:11:43,356 --> 00:11:45,091 Listen, let's make sure that the gang members 240 00:11:45,091 --> 00:11:46,826 don't sound like they're all Black, 241 00:11:46,826 --> 00:11:48,695 because I don't wanna make a racist movie. 242 00:11:48,695 --> 00:11:50,663 And so I inserted a line 243 00:11:50,663 --> 00:11:53,199 saying that there were several different colors. 244 00:11:53,199 --> 00:11:55,835 We had a meeting with Orion, and suddenly, 245 00:11:55,835 --> 00:11:57,670 they seemed to be serious about making the movie. 246 00:11:57,670 --> 00:11:59,072 Well, I wanna make a picture 247 00:11:59,072 --> 00:12:01,407 that I wouldn't mind watching, you know? 248 00:12:01,407 --> 00:12:04,244 And I thought all along, "We're gonna change the title. 249 00:12:04,244 --> 00:12:05,879 We're gonna change the title." 250 00:12:05,879 --> 00:12:07,413 "So, what are you working on?" someone says to you. 251 00:12:07,413 --> 00:12:10,583 And it was very hard to say, RoboCop. 252 00:12:10,583 --> 00:12:13,419 'Cause it sounds cheap and cheesy. 253 00:12:13,419 --> 00:12:15,355 A lot of directors wouldn't even look at it, 254 00:12:15,355 --> 00:12:17,056 because they thought it was gonna really look bad 255 00:12:17,056 --> 00:12:18,291 on their résumé. 256 00:12:18,291 --> 00:12:19,626 When they got the script in the mail, 257 00:12:19,626 --> 00:12:21,060 and they opened it up, it was RoboCop, 258 00:12:21,060 --> 00:12:22,762 and they, you know, throw it in the corner. 259 00:12:25,098 --> 00:12:26,533 We couldn't get a director. 260 00:12:26,533 --> 00:12:28,067 We had bad directors that we didn't want. 261 00:12:28,067 --> 00:12:29,969 And then when we go, "Well, maybe that one," 262 00:12:29,969 --> 00:12:31,371 and then they go, "No, I can't do it. 263 00:12:31,371 --> 00:12:32,772 I gotta do something else." 264 00:12:32,772 --> 00:12:34,374 And so, we were always, almost being shut down, 265 00:12:34,374 --> 00:12:35,909 because we just couldn't get a director. 266 00:12:36,309 --> 00:12:37,811 I've always been of the opinion 267 00:12:37,811 --> 00:12:41,948 that European and African-American directors 268 00:12:41,948 --> 00:12:44,450 can criticize America better 269 00:12:44,450 --> 00:12:46,419 than their American counterparts. 270 00:12:46,419 --> 00:12:48,955 Orion had a relationship with Paul Verhoeven, 271 00:12:48,955 --> 00:12:50,924 because they had just made his movie, Flesh and Blood. 272 00:12:50,924 --> 00:12:52,425 So, I actually said, 273 00:12:52,425 --> 00:12:54,093 "You should check out this guy, Paul Verhoeven," 274 00:12:54,093 --> 00:12:55,995 because I was a big fan of Soldier Orange. 275 00:12:55,995 --> 00:12:57,730 There's one scene where he has somebody 276 00:12:57,730 --> 00:13:00,400 throw a grenade into an outhouse and kill somebody. 277 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:01,835 Very scatological. 278 00:13:01,835 --> 00:13:04,404 His violence is very up front and open. 279 00:13:04,404 --> 00:13:06,974 The Europeans realized that a punch is a punch, 280 00:13:06,974 --> 00:13:08,242 and a bullet is a bullet. 281 00:13:09,777 --> 00:13:11,145 I'm Paul Verhoeven, 282 00:13:11,145 --> 00:13:14,081 and I'm the director of RoboCop. 283 00:13:14,081 --> 00:13:19,520 My career started somewhere in the late '60s, I would say, 284 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,924 but I made my first real movies in early '70s, 285 00:13:23,924 --> 00:13:25,659 which was all in Holland. 286 00:13:25,659 --> 00:13:27,695 I got into military service, 287 00:13:27,695 --> 00:13:29,496 which was necessary at that time. 288 00:13:29,496 --> 00:13:31,498 You were forced, you were drafted. 289 00:13:31,498 --> 00:13:33,767 And I got myself in the film department. 290 00:13:33,767 --> 00:13:35,603 So, I made a documentary, 291 00:13:35,603 --> 00:13:38,339 Propaganda of the Dutch Marines. 292 00:13:38,339 --> 00:13:39,773 And it was very successful, 293 00:13:39,773 --> 00:13:42,109 and that basically brought me to television. 294 00:13:42,109 --> 00:13:45,880 Then I got basically in contact with a German-Dutch producer, 295 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,515 Rob Hauer, and then we made a lot of movies. 296 00:13:48,515 --> 00:13:50,117 But the committees at that time 297 00:13:50,117 --> 00:13:51,719 were getting more and more left-winged, 298 00:13:51,719 --> 00:13:53,888 that I would say fascist left-wing, 299 00:13:53,888 --> 00:13:56,457 meant no art, no social contacts, 300 00:13:56,457 --> 00:13:57,958 no this, no that. 301 00:13:57,958 --> 00:14:00,861 And they started to refuse to give me money. 302 00:14:00,861 --> 00:14:03,163 I had some contact with American studios. 303 00:14:03,163 --> 00:14:07,067 I had even met Jon Davison in one of my trips to Hollywood 304 00:14:07,067 --> 00:14:10,337 when I saw things were going bad in Holland. 305 00:14:10,337 --> 00:14:12,072 I prepared a little bit, 306 00:14:12,072 --> 00:14:14,074 but I didn't have the guts to do it. 307 00:14:16,577 --> 00:14:18,846 When the RoboCop script came in, 308 00:14:18,846 --> 00:14:21,849 my wife, Martine, said to me, 309 00:14:21,849 --> 00:14:24,518 "This is the possibility to go to the United States." 310 00:14:24,518 --> 00:14:26,220 And I didn't like that at all. 311 00:14:26,220 --> 00:14:28,322 In fact, I read 20, 30 pages, 312 00:14:28,322 --> 00:14:30,391 and saw it as absolutely ridiculous. 313 00:14:30,391 --> 00:14:31,659 He had done what many people do. 314 00:14:31,659 --> 00:14:33,360 "Oh, my God! 315 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,329 It's called RoboCop," and throw it over his shoulder. 316 00:14:35,329 --> 00:14:39,033 I mean, even the title, RoboCop, was so far away 317 00:14:39,033 --> 00:14:41,368 from all the movies I had made, you know? 318 00:14:41,368 --> 00:14:44,104 I worked in a very realistic style. 319 00:14:44,104 --> 00:14:46,040 Basically, all the movies I did in Holland 320 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,574 were mostly realistic. 321 00:14:47,574 --> 00:14:50,444 They were based often on biographies. 322 00:14:50,444 --> 00:14:53,847 And so, I felt that this was out of my range. 323 00:14:53,847 --> 00:14:58,619 And I thought, reading it, that it was silly. 324 00:14:58,619 --> 00:15:01,588 We were on holidays in the Cote d'Azur. 325 00:15:01,588 --> 00:15:03,791 I was going for a swim, a long swim. 326 00:15:03,791 --> 00:15:06,226 And then my wife took the script, 327 00:15:06,226 --> 00:15:08,696 and then Martine read it, too. 328 00:15:08,696 --> 00:15:10,898 And then she said, "You know, I think you make a mistake." 329 00:15:10,898 --> 00:15:12,533 I think she read the scene 330 00:15:12,533 --> 00:15:14,601 where Murphy gets his hand blown off, 331 00:15:14,601 --> 00:15:16,437 and said, "You know, I think you'd like this," 332 00:15:16,437 --> 00:15:18,372 knowing her husband as she did. 333 00:15:18,372 --> 00:15:20,641 Finally, I started to look at it with a dictionary 334 00:15:20,641 --> 00:15:22,042 because there were so many English words 335 00:15:22,042 --> 00:15:23,410 that I didn't know. 336 00:15:23,410 --> 00:15:25,913 And then it took perhaps a couple of weeks 337 00:15:25,913 --> 00:15:27,982 for me to think, "Martine is right. 338 00:15:27,982 --> 00:15:31,118 I can make it to something that interests me." 339 00:15:32,553 --> 00:15:36,590 And that was really based on very specific elements 340 00:15:36,590 --> 00:15:40,327 of the script with nearly biblical perspectives 341 00:15:40,327 --> 00:15:42,496 that I saw in the movie finally. 342 00:15:43,831 --> 00:15:46,900 Paul has a lifelong obsessional fascination 343 00:15:46,900 --> 00:15:48,736 with the historical Jesus, 344 00:15:48,736 --> 00:15:51,638 and he saw Robo as a Christian parable. 345 00:15:51,638 --> 00:15:53,140 The scene that decided me 346 00:15:53,140 --> 00:15:55,642 to really say, "Yes" to the movie 347 00:15:55,642 --> 00:15:58,245 was when Murphy comes to his house. 348 00:15:58,245 --> 00:16:01,482 For me, that was like lost paradise, 349 00:16:01,482 --> 00:16:03,283 kicked out of the Garden of Eden. 350 00:16:03,283 --> 00:16:04,985 And basically, we have this longing 351 00:16:04,985 --> 00:16:06,754 for getting back there. 352 00:16:06,754 --> 00:16:11,992 I started then to see in RoboCop kind of a Jesus. 353 00:16:11,992 --> 00:16:14,495 It was raised four or five different levels 354 00:16:14,495 --> 00:16:15,929 as soon as Paul came in 355 00:16:15,929 --> 00:16:18,298 with his sophistication, with his technique, 356 00:16:18,298 --> 00:16:20,667 his visceral way of telling a story. 357 00:16:20,667 --> 00:16:22,002 And then I think, "Okay. 358 00:16:22,002 --> 00:16:23,470 And then I'll do all the action, 359 00:16:23,470 --> 00:16:25,105 and the bang, bang, and the shoot, shoot. 360 00:16:25,105 --> 00:16:26,507 I'll take that, yeah." 361 00:16:26,507 --> 00:16:28,008 "That has to be done, too." 362 00:16:28,008 --> 00:16:30,310 Because English was his second language, 363 00:16:30,310 --> 00:16:32,780 he asked Ed and I, "What does this joke mean? 364 00:16:32,780 --> 00:16:34,648 What is this here?" 365 00:16:34,648 --> 00:16:36,950 At the initial meeting, he said, "Why is this funny?" 366 00:16:36,950 --> 00:16:38,685 I think he didn't think it should be funny, 367 00:16:38,685 --> 00:16:40,454 and that he was uncomfortable with it. 368 00:16:40,454 --> 00:16:43,057 And I gave him a bunch of Judge Dredd comics, 369 00:16:43,057 --> 00:16:44,792 and I gave him some other comics 370 00:16:44,792 --> 00:16:46,060 of that period. 371 00:16:46,060 --> 00:16:47,628 And I said, "You should read this, 372 00:16:47,628 --> 00:16:49,163 'cause this is the spirit it's coming out of." 373 00:16:49,163 --> 00:16:50,697 There's a whole new thing happening in comics, 374 00:16:50,697 --> 00:16:52,466 and they're adult. 375 00:16:52,466 --> 00:16:54,701 He'd read the comic books, and he went, "Ah. Oh, I see." 376 00:16:54,701 --> 00:16:56,203 And he was very cool with that form. 377 00:16:56,203 --> 00:16:57,571 And he understood 378 00:16:57,571 --> 00:16:59,540 that we were doing something different. 379 00:16:59,540 --> 00:17:02,076 And Paul, to his credit, 380 00:17:02,076 --> 00:17:04,078 uh, was very loyal to the script. 381 00:17:05,913 --> 00:17:07,481 Jon Davison called 382 00:17:07,481 --> 00:17:09,183 all these special effects people, and said... 383 00:17:09,183 --> 00:17:10,818 "You wanna work on our movie? 384 00:17:10,818 --> 00:17:12,486 We don't have any money, and I can't pay you." 385 00:17:14,054 --> 00:17:16,323 Oh, my God. I can hire him. We can do this. 386 00:17:16,323 --> 00:17:18,759 I can get this guy, you know, we got Phil. 387 00:17:20,360 --> 00:17:23,697 I had known Jon Davison for a number of years. 388 00:17:23,697 --> 00:17:26,700 And we worked on Joe Dante's second film, 389 00:17:26,700 --> 00:17:28,235 Piranha, together. 390 00:17:29,703 --> 00:17:33,006 Jon was always a big fan of stop-motion animation. 391 00:17:33,006 --> 00:17:35,609 He had been looking for projects for us 392 00:17:35,609 --> 00:17:37,377 to work on over the years, 393 00:17:37,377 --> 00:17:39,513 and RoboCop was one of the first ones that came up. 394 00:17:41,048 --> 00:17:43,083 I worked with Rob Bottin on Piranha 395 00:17:43,083 --> 00:17:45,519 when he was about 19 years old. 396 00:17:45,519 --> 00:17:49,389 So, I thought, "Well, Rob would be a real interesting guy 397 00:17:49,389 --> 00:17:50,791 to approach." 398 00:17:50,791 --> 00:17:53,193 Because he's an incredibly talented guy. 399 00:17:53,193 --> 00:17:54,761 I mean, he's an artist. 400 00:17:54,761 --> 00:17:56,697 Jon Davison knew all those guys. 401 00:17:56,697 --> 00:17:58,298 And that's what's amazing. 402 00:17:58,298 --> 00:18:01,535 He knew Pete Kuran. He knew Rocco Gioffre. 403 00:18:01,535 --> 00:18:03,537 He knew the entire team. 404 00:18:03,537 --> 00:18:05,205 Look at the effects credits on that. 405 00:18:05,205 --> 00:18:09,042 They're pretty good. 406 00:18:09,042 --> 00:18:10,410 I think we ultimately start 407 00:18:10,410 --> 00:18:12,379 to talk about who could be in it, 408 00:18:12,379 --> 00:18:14,381 and, you know, our movie was looked at, like, 409 00:18:14,381 --> 00:18:16,483 "Well, you're not gonna get an A-lister to be in this." 410 00:18:16,483 --> 00:18:17,918 I mean, I came to the United States, 411 00:18:17,918 --> 00:18:20,120 and I didn't know anybody. 412 00:18:20,120 --> 00:18:22,789 I knew some actors, of course, basically, from American movies, 413 00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:24,391 but I didn't know them. 414 00:18:24,391 --> 00:18:26,593 We would certainly not be working on that level. 415 00:18:26,593 --> 00:18:29,563 It had to be all the people that we could afford, 416 00:18:29,563 --> 00:18:31,165 but all people that we could afford, 417 00:18:31,165 --> 00:18:32,566 I wouldn't know in the first place. 418 00:18:33,567 --> 00:18:36,436 They came in, ten minutes, they did a part of the scene, 419 00:18:36,436 --> 00:18:38,138 "Thank you very much. Yes or no?" 420 00:18:39,473 --> 00:18:41,808 Orion had just released Terminator. 421 00:18:41,808 --> 00:18:43,810 And so, they kept pushing, you know, 422 00:18:43,810 --> 00:18:45,746 Arnold Schwarzenegger as RoboCop. 423 00:18:45,746 --> 00:18:47,014 But then, of course, 424 00:18:47,014 --> 00:18:48,949 when we were talking to Rob Bottin, 425 00:18:48,949 --> 00:18:51,752 who built the costume, he said, "You know, what are you asking? 426 00:18:51,752 --> 00:18:53,954 Basically, Arnold is already like this, 427 00:18:53,954 --> 00:18:55,522 and I have added the costume, 428 00:18:55,522 --> 00:18:56,990 and it will be like that, you know? 429 00:18:56,990 --> 00:18:58,158 And it won't look good." 430 00:18:59,860 --> 00:19:02,629 We auditioned and taped a lot of people. 431 00:19:02,629 --> 00:19:06,300 We knew we wanted, you know, a slim, sleek robot. 432 00:19:06,300 --> 00:19:07,834 The suit bulks you up. 433 00:19:07,834 --> 00:19:10,804 So, we needed somebody who was actually thinner 434 00:19:10,804 --> 00:19:13,140 than the final shape we wanted to achieve. 435 00:19:14,942 --> 00:19:16,476 You know, we went through this whole long process, 436 00:19:16,476 --> 00:19:18,111 and we looked at certain people. 437 00:19:18,111 --> 00:19:20,480 We looked for a second at Keith Carradine, 438 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,450 but Paul thought that he was a little too folksy. 439 00:19:23,450 --> 00:19:26,053 And one of the people that flew down on their own dime 440 00:19:26,053 --> 00:19:27,821 was Peter Fonda. 441 00:19:27,821 --> 00:19:30,991 But we thought he might be just a little soft. 442 00:19:30,991 --> 00:19:33,126 David Carradine came in for RoboCop. 443 00:19:33,126 --> 00:19:35,062 He was really funny. He's like, "Yeah. 444 00:19:35,062 --> 00:19:36,196 Come on, guys. Let's just do it." 445 00:19:36,196 --> 00:19:37,798 We saw everybody. 446 00:19:37,798 --> 00:19:40,000 And Rutger Hauer, who Paul had worked with 447 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,468 on Flesh and Blood, 448 00:19:41,468 --> 00:19:42,703 and either they'd had enough of each other 449 00:19:42,703 --> 00:19:44,137 or they were scheduling differences, 450 00:19:44,137 --> 00:19:46,340 but Rutger was never really considered. 451 00:19:46,340 --> 00:19:49,142 Basically, the next choice was Michael Aronside, 452 00:19:49,142 --> 00:19:52,246 because we had all seen him in this television series, V. 453 00:19:52,246 --> 00:19:53,880 But when we were talking to Michael, 454 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,351 he had such other ideas at that time. 455 00:19:57,351 --> 00:20:00,187 I won't say that they would want to rewrite the whole script, 456 00:20:00,187 --> 00:20:01,221 but nearly. 457 00:20:01,221 --> 00:20:02,823 And I remember wishing, 458 00:20:02,823 --> 00:20:04,591 "I wish that an actor would really take this on 459 00:20:04,591 --> 00:20:07,261 as a challenge and not get all wigged out 460 00:20:07,261 --> 00:20:08,695 that, you know, you're not gonna see his eyes 461 00:20:08,695 --> 00:20:10,397 all this time. 462 00:20:10,397 --> 00:20:11,665 Everybody was always like, "Oh, he's got to see his eyes." 463 00:20:11,665 --> 00:20:13,267 Even my writing partner would go, 464 00:20:13,267 --> 00:20:14,701 "Well, can't he just lift up his helmet sometimes?" 465 00:20:14,701 --> 00:20:16,903 And I said, "No, he can't! He can't do it. 466 00:20:16,903 --> 00:20:18,205 Not until the helmet comes off." 467 00:20:18,205 --> 00:20:19,606 That was, like, a big fight. So... 468 00:20:19,606 --> 00:20:21,575 When you pick the actor, look at his jawline. 469 00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:24,711 And we looked. We did, you know? 470 00:20:24,711 --> 00:20:26,847 We were looking at the jawline all the time. 471 00:20:26,847 --> 00:20:28,849 Because that's all you will see, isn't it? 472 00:20:28,849 --> 00:20:31,852 You don't see his eyes anymore. You see only the jawline. 473 00:20:33,353 --> 00:20:35,088 Orion made a movie called Buckaroo Banzai 474 00:20:35,088 --> 00:20:36,757 with Peter Weller in it. 475 00:20:36,757 --> 00:20:38,425 No matter where you go... 476 00:20:40,594 --> 00:20:42,362 ...there you are. 477 00:20:42,362 --> 00:20:44,231 And they were suddenly interested in him 478 00:20:44,231 --> 00:20:45,432 because that movie had done pretty well 479 00:20:45,432 --> 00:20:48,435 in certain territories. 480 00:20:48,435 --> 00:20:50,637 So, he came in right at the end, 481 00:20:50,637 --> 00:20:52,272 and he wouldn't read on camera, 482 00:20:52,272 --> 00:20:53,640 and he wouldn't read in front of everybody. 483 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,310 So, he read with me in front of Paul. 484 00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:58,979 And there was a very tense reading between Peter and I. 485 00:20:58,979 --> 00:21:00,480 I was, like, scared to read with him, 486 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,316 and... and should have been. 487 00:21:03,483 --> 00:21:05,552 All right, are you ready? 488 00:21:05,552 --> 00:21:06,620 Are you rolling? 489 00:21:10,123 --> 00:21:11,391 Test, test, test. 490 00:21:13,393 --> 00:21:15,395 Dead or alive, you are coming with me. 491 00:21:20,834 --> 00:21:24,905 My career was essentially one of a jazz musician. 492 00:21:24,905 --> 00:21:26,673 I wanted to be Miles Davis. 493 00:21:26,673 --> 00:21:28,408 I went to North Texas State. 494 00:21:28,408 --> 00:21:30,444 I ended my music career by going, 495 00:21:30,444 --> 00:21:31,611 "I don't wanna get yelled at. 496 00:21:31,611 --> 00:21:32,779 I'm not going to be Miles Davis. 497 00:21:32,779 --> 00:21:34,414 I'm not that great. I'm good. 498 00:21:34,414 --> 00:21:35,649 I can make some money, 499 00:21:35,649 --> 00:21:37,150 but I don't wanna sit at a bandstand 500 00:21:37,150 --> 00:21:38,418 the rest of my life." 501 00:21:38,418 --> 00:21:41,254 So, I moved into acting and English 502 00:21:41,254 --> 00:21:43,990 just to get out of school and stay out of Vietnam. 503 00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:45,459 I worked in the theater right away, 504 00:21:45,459 --> 00:21:46,960 and I loved the theater, 505 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,363 and I became a member of the actor's studio. 506 00:21:49,363 --> 00:21:51,966 I get to do this amazing Western with Richard Lester. 507 00:21:51,966 --> 00:21:53,768 Try to remember my face. 508 00:21:53,768 --> 00:21:55,036 And then I meet Sidney Lemaitre 509 00:21:55,036 --> 00:21:56,337 for Just Tell Me What You Want. 510 00:21:56,337 --> 00:21:58,539 And then I get to do Shoot the Moon 511 00:21:58,539 --> 00:22:00,108 with Alan Parker, 512 00:22:00,108 --> 00:22:03,478 one of the great feminist movies ever, ever, ever. 513 00:22:03,478 --> 00:22:05,446 It's incredible. 514 00:22:05,446 --> 00:22:08,182 And then George Cosmatos offers me An Unknown Origin. 515 00:22:08,182 --> 00:22:10,151 I do Firstborn with Michael Aptek, 516 00:22:10,151 --> 00:22:11,519 the great Michael Aptek. 517 00:22:11,519 --> 00:22:14,021 And it goes into Buckaroo Banzai. 518 00:22:14,021 --> 00:22:15,390 Evil! 519 00:22:15,390 --> 00:22:17,325 You are a step up on the eighth dimension! 520 00:22:17,325 --> 00:22:18,526 Get 'em! 521 00:22:18,526 --> 00:22:19,794 Phenomenal experience. 522 00:22:23,231 --> 00:22:25,533 I meet Paul, and Paul's like this. 523 00:22:25,533 --> 00:22:26,868 You know, Paul's not like a laid-back, 524 00:22:26,868 --> 00:22:28,569 "Hey, how are you doing" guy. 525 00:22:28,569 --> 00:22:30,872 I'm in his office, and he says, "Why don't you audition?" 526 00:22:30,872 --> 00:22:32,874 I said, "I'm not going to audition. 527 00:22:32,874 --> 00:22:35,543 I do not get hired like that." 528 00:22:35,543 --> 00:22:37,245 I said, "Do you get a vibe out of me? 529 00:22:37,245 --> 00:22:39,714 'Cause I get a vibe out of you, and I know your movies." 530 00:22:39,714 --> 00:22:41,416 At some point in time, he says, "Well, you're an athlete." 531 00:22:41,416 --> 00:22:43,851 I said, "Yeah, I'm a marathon runner, 532 00:22:43,851 --> 00:22:44,986 you know, and a ballet dancer. 533 00:22:44,986 --> 00:22:48,022 Mediocre, but I can move." 534 00:22:48,022 --> 00:22:49,557 It's really interesting. 535 00:22:49,557 --> 00:22:51,092 And he says, "Well, can you move around this room?" 536 00:22:51,092 --> 00:22:52,860 I said, "Yeah, I've taken a little bit of mime." 537 00:22:52,860 --> 00:22:54,762 So, I move around the room. I do some moves for him, right? 538 00:22:54,762 --> 00:22:56,931 The fact that Peter took it all seriously 539 00:22:56,931 --> 00:23:00,034 and didn't mind all that stuff impressed me even then. 540 00:23:00,034 --> 00:23:01,936 And he's a strong guy, 541 00:23:01,936 --> 00:23:03,838 and he can be a tough character to deal with. 542 00:23:03,838 --> 00:23:05,173 But without that commitment, 543 00:23:05,173 --> 00:23:07,108 there wouldn't be a RoboCop either. 544 00:23:07,108 --> 00:23:09,877 And that day is when RoboCop offer came in. 545 00:23:13,181 --> 00:23:17,852 Originally, Stephanie Zimbalist was playing Lewis. 546 00:23:17,852 --> 00:23:19,554 I'll do it for you. 547 00:23:19,554 --> 00:23:21,856 And she was a lovely and talented actress. 548 00:23:21,856 --> 00:23:25,693 But she had a hold on her for another year of a show 549 00:23:25,693 --> 00:23:27,195 she was doing called Remington Steele. 550 00:23:27,195 --> 00:23:28,729 And she was suddenly unavailable to us. 551 00:23:28,729 --> 00:23:30,264 And at the last second, it was a little bit, 552 00:23:30,264 --> 00:23:31,966 "Oh, my God. What are we going to do?" 553 00:23:31,966 --> 00:23:34,268 We were not trying to cast a, you know, like, 554 00:23:34,268 --> 00:23:35,770 "It's the robot and the sexy girl," 555 00:23:35,770 --> 00:23:37,738 which is what the cliché would be. 556 00:23:37,738 --> 00:23:40,041 And the part isn't really the sexy girl part. 557 00:23:40,041 --> 00:23:43,044 It's the professional woman police officer part. 558 00:23:43,044 --> 00:23:44,879 We saw everybody in town who didn't have a career yet, 559 00:23:44,879 --> 00:23:46,647 and that was interesting. 560 00:23:46,647 --> 00:23:47,882 So, I wasn't used to actually seeing people 561 00:23:47,882 --> 00:23:49,250 I'd have seen in movies. 562 00:23:49,250 --> 00:23:50,585 It was very rare for someone to come in 563 00:23:50,585 --> 00:23:52,553 who was an actual movie star. 564 00:23:52,553 --> 00:23:55,823 I've seen these big movie stars like Barbra Streisand, you know? 565 00:23:55,823 --> 00:23:58,292 And I remember meeting Nancy, and she came in with her agent. 566 00:23:58,292 --> 00:23:59,460 May we come in? 567 00:23:59,460 --> 00:24:00,728 And I was like, "Oh, wow. 568 00:24:00,728 --> 00:24:02,463 She's Nancy Allen." 569 00:24:02,463 --> 00:24:04,265 Thanks. 570 00:24:04,265 --> 00:24:05,800 I wasn't looking, 571 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,337 but I was so thrilled to have somebody 572 00:24:09,337 --> 00:24:11,272 send me something that I did not have to put on 573 00:24:11,272 --> 00:24:13,808 black lingerie one more time. 574 00:24:13,808 --> 00:24:15,610 And not that I don't like black lingerie, 575 00:24:15,610 --> 00:24:16,911 but I thought, 576 00:24:16,911 --> 00:24:18,980 "There's more to me than that, really?" 577 00:24:18,980 --> 00:24:23,251 Uh, and to the opportunity to play a woman of strength. 578 00:24:23,251 --> 00:24:25,920 Now, I've always tried to add something strong 579 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,856 to my characters, but sometimes, you're limited. 580 00:24:30,358 --> 00:24:33,127 I knew Nancy Allen's work. I was a fan. 581 00:24:33,127 --> 00:24:36,097 And you meet Nancy Allen, and she is so charming. 582 00:24:36,097 --> 00:24:37,632 And then you find out that Nancy Allen's born 583 00:24:37,632 --> 00:24:39,433 on your birthday. 584 00:24:39,433 --> 00:24:42,169 Hey. Now, she's quite younger and better-looking than me, 585 00:24:42,169 --> 00:24:43,938 but she was born on June 24th. 586 00:24:43,938 --> 00:24:45,439 With this, it felt, 587 00:24:45,439 --> 00:24:47,475 yeah, she's a really heroic, strong woman. 588 00:24:47,475 --> 00:24:48,776 I identified with her 589 00:24:48,776 --> 00:24:49,944 'cause I'm very, very independent. 590 00:24:50,645 --> 00:24:53,481 I think actors wanna play against type. 591 00:24:53,481 --> 00:24:55,116 And so, I think 592 00:24:55,116 --> 00:24:57,852 when Ronny Cox gets offered a bad guy 593 00:24:57,852 --> 00:24:59,720 and has to go for an audition, 594 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,989 he might put a little more work into it. 595 00:25:01,989 --> 00:25:04,392 I find that very easy to believe. 596 00:25:04,392 --> 00:25:07,228 I had the reputation of being a good actor, 597 00:25:07,228 --> 00:25:10,731 but that I played soft roles. 598 00:25:10,731 --> 00:25:14,702 And it used to piss me off to no end, 599 00:25:14,702 --> 00:25:16,804 because I've been an athlete my whole life, 600 00:25:16,804 --> 00:25:18,205 and I can do things 601 00:25:18,205 --> 00:25:20,207 that nine-tenths of the guys couldn't do. 602 00:25:20,207 --> 00:25:22,376 And what is wrong with winning? 603 00:25:22,376 --> 00:25:24,579 With showing you're the best at what you do? 604 00:25:24,579 --> 00:25:28,182 But I got known as this soft, sensitive actor. 605 00:25:29,917 --> 00:25:31,586 So, my agents, they were looking at me, 606 00:25:31,586 --> 00:25:33,754 and said, "Ronny, here's a chance 607 00:25:33,754 --> 00:25:36,924 for you to play Dick Jones in RoboCop. 608 00:25:38,392 --> 00:25:40,761 He's sort of worse than anybody." 609 00:25:40,761 --> 00:25:43,164 I originally did the budget for RoboCop. 610 00:25:43,164 --> 00:25:46,033 And it came in about 12 million dollars. 611 00:25:46,033 --> 00:25:48,169 And I gave the budget to Orion, and they said, 612 00:25:48,169 --> 00:25:49,770 "Well, we're only gonna make this 613 00:25:49,770 --> 00:25:51,839 if it's 10 million dollars." 614 00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:54,508 So, of course, when the studio does that, you go away, 615 00:25:54,508 --> 00:25:57,912 you come back with a budget for 99.95. 616 00:25:57,912 --> 00:26:01,215 When Paul Verhoeven sat down with the producer, Jon Davison, 617 00:26:01,215 --> 00:26:03,584 and said, "What do you think this movie should look like?" 618 00:26:03,584 --> 00:26:05,353 Paul said, "Well, it should look like Blade Runner, of course." 619 00:26:05,353 --> 00:26:06,754 I was so impressed 620 00:26:06,754 --> 00:26:10,024 by the production design of Blade Runner 621 00:26:10,024 --> 00:26:11,792 that I thought, "Okay. 622 00:26:11,792 --> 00:26:14,428 We'll do it differently, but we have to do it that way." 623 00:26:14,428 --> 00:26:16,030 Jon Davison said, 624 00:26:16,030 --> 00:26:17,932 "Well, you can either have the robot character, 625 00:26:17,932 --> 00:26:19,533 RoboCop, or you can have the look 626 00:26:19,533 --> 00:26:21,202 of Blade Runner. So, which do you want?" 627 00:26:21,202 --> 00:26:24,472 Of course, the costume was in the center of the frame 628 00:26:24,472 --> 00:26:26,107 throughout the whole movie. 629 00:26:26,107 --> 00:26:28,676 So, it was, let's say, not a very difficult choice. 630 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,484 We spent at least a year and a million dollars 631 00:26:36,484 --> 00:26:38,786 working with Rob on this suit. 632 00:26:39,887 --> 00:26:41,589 It's Rob's design. 633 00:26:41,589 --> 00:26:43,758 You know, Rob is a great, sort of, inspiring art director. 634 00:26:43,758 --> 00:26:45,159 It's really his vision, you know? 635 00:26:45,159 --> 00:26:48,262 He was a perfectionist and a workaholic. 636 00:26:48,262 --> 00:26:51,932 And so, you wanted to please him and do your best work for him. 637 00:26:53,768 --> 00:26:57,171 We took a lot of stylistic cues from cars from the '50s. 638 00:26:57,171 --> 00:26:59,674 We looked a lot at previous robots from films, 639 00:26:59,674 --> 00:27:01,942 realizing that nobody had come even close to doing 640 00:27:01,942 --> 00:27:03,744 what we had to do. 641 00:27:03,744 --> 00:27:06,480 Well, Maria's pretty sexy, you know, in Metropolis. 642 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,249 Gorgeous design, beautiful craftsmanship, 643 00:27:08,249 --> 00:27:10,284 but she can barely move. You've seen that thing. 644 00:27:10,284 --> 00:27:14,689 Of course, Gort is sleek. Tobar's pretty clunky. 645 00:27:14,689 --> 00:27:16,924 We didn't wanna go that route, you know? 646 00:27:16,924 --> 00:27:19,994 And Robby, we love, but you know, he's passé. 647 00:27:19,994 --> 00:27:21,829 That is correct, sir. 648 00:27:21,829 --> 00:27:23,798 C-3PO was probably the most sophisticated thing 649 00:27:23,798 --> 00:27:25,299 that had been done to date, 650 00:27:25,299 --> 00:27:26,867 but, you know, he can barely, sort of, move. 651 00:27:26,867 --> 00:27:28,836 He can walk, but he's kind of like this. 652 00:27:28,836 --> 00:27:31,205 And RoboCop had to be basically in action here. 653 00:27:31,205 --> 00:27:32,540 He had to punch. He had to do everything. 654 00:27:35,843 --> 00:27:37,445 Rob brought me outside 655 00:27:37,445 --> 00:27:39,146 to look at the body cast of Peter Weller, 656 00:27:39,146 --> 00:27:41,282 and there was a challenge there. 657 00:27:41,282 --> 00:27:44,218 Peter Weller was not that tall. His hips were a little wide, 658 00:27:44,218 --> 00:27:46,020 and his shoulders kind of narrow. 659 00:27:46,020 --> 00:27:47,521 So, with those three things going on, 660 00:27:47,521 --> 00:27:49,190 we had a real challenge 661 00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:50,825 to try to give him a, sort of, heroic shape. 662 00:27:50,825 --> 00:27:52,226 Every couple of weeks, 663 00:27:52,226 --> 00:27:55,563 Paul, Ed, and I would go over to Rob's shop, 664 00:27:55,563 --> 00:27:57,798 and he would present various maquettes. 665 00:27:59,033 --> 00:28:00,468 They actually made Judge Dredd, 666 00:28:00,468 --> 00:28:02,636 and said, "Well, this is RoboCop." 667 00:28:02,636 --> 00:28:04,839 And I said to Jon Davison, "Are you fucking kidding? 668 00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:06,741 You can't do this." 669 00:28:06,741 --> 00:28:08,175 And I'd never heard of Judge Dredd. 670 00:28:08,175 --> 00:28:09,510 I'd never heard of Judge Dredd 671 00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:11,045 here in America, believe it or not. 672 00:28:11,045 --> 00:28:12,513 Although I learned about it later, 673 00:28:12,513 --> 00:28:14,749 and I definitely see the lineage, you know, 674 00:28:14,749 --> 00:28:16,417 of Robo coming from there. 675 00:28:16,417 --> 00:28:18,753 There was no Judge Dredd reference material. 676 00:28:18,753 --> 00:28:21,756 He was never mentioned in Rob's shop. 677 00:28:21,756 --> 00:28:23,758 Verhoeven and company were coming in, 678 00:28:23,758 --> 00:28:25,426 and they were art directing the hell out of the suit, 679 00:28:25,426 --> 00:28:28,062 and making very arbitrary comments. 680 00:28:28,062 --> 00:28:29,997 We started to basically say, 681 00:28:29,997 --> 00:28:32,333 "Well, it has to be very broad shoulders 682 00:28:32,333 --> 00:28:34,835 like a rugby or whatever, very broad shoulders," 683 00:28:34,835 --> 00:28:35,936 and this, and that. 684 00:28:35,936 --> 00:28:37,905 Rob had to do everything in clay 685 00:28:37,905 --> 00:28:40,074 over, and over, and over, and over again. 686 00:28:40,074 --> 00:28:43,244 Occasionally, somebody would fashion a penis, 687 00:28:43,244 --> 00:28:45,179 and stick it on the thing and... 688 00:28:46,947 --> 00:28:48,749 Sounds like it may have been Verhoeven. 689 00:28:48,749 --> 00:28:50,618 Rob Bottin got so angry 690 00:28:50,618 --> 00:28:53,187 that he basically gave his little knife, 691 00:28:53,187 --> 00:28:55,122 he throwed his knife to me, and said, 692 00:28:55,122 --> 00:28:56,757 "You cut it! You cut it now!" 693 00:28:56,757 --> 00:28:59,527 And I stupid enough started also to do that. 694 00:28:59,527 --> 00:29:03,931 I mean, how bad I behaved, and we nearly destroyed this 695 00:29:03,931 --> 00:29:07,601 by our, let's say, stupid thinking. 696 00:29:10,771 --> 00:29:15,876 We knew that what we wanted was something sleek and sexy. 697 00:29:15,876 --> 00:29:18,546 I had a book by an illustrator named Soriyama. 698 00:29:18,546 --> 00:29:20,381 He was an illustrator that was kind of popular then. 699 00:29:20,381 --> 00:29:23,551 He had done a lot of, sort of, sexy chrome girls, 700 00:29:23,551 --> 00:29:25,252 and he had a book out called Sexy Robot. 701 00:29:25,252 --> 00:29:26,654 And I had this book. 702 00:29:26,654 --> 00:29:27,621 It was full of his beautiful illustrations. 703 00:29:27,621 --> 00:29:29,223 So, I brought that in, 704 00:29:29,223 --> 00:29:32,126 and Rob picked it up one day, and said, "This is it. 705 00:29:32,126 --> 00:29:33,394 Take this aesthetic, 706 00:29:33,394 --> 00:29:34,929 and we'll graft it onto his body, 707 00:29:34,929 --> 00:29:36,463 and see what that does." 708 00:29:36,463 --> 00:29:39,767 That Japanese airbrush, girly stuff, that, 709 00:29:39,767 --> 00:29:42,736 and having the robot from Fritz Lang's Metropolis, 710 00:29:42,736 --> 00:29:45,172 and you put them together, and you got Robo. 711 00:29:49,443 --> 00:29:51,645 The simple slit for an eye, 712 00:29:51,645 --> 00:29:54,915 the big shoulders coming up over the torso. 713 00:29:54,915 --> 00:29:56,617 I thought, "Well, shouldn't he just 714 00:29:56,617 --> 00:29:59,753 have an OCP badge sculpted or molded right onto his chest?" 715 00:29:59,753 --> 00:30:02,022 And Rob for some reason felt like it shouldn't be there. 716 00:30:02,022 --> 00:30:03,624 So, he said, 717 00:30:03,624 --> 00:30:05,192 "Why don't you come up with something else?" 718 00:30:05,192 --> 00:30:07,094 So, I thought, "Well, that little grill on his chest 719 00:30:07,094 --> 00:30:08,996 is a speaker for his voice when he needs to project it." 720 00:30:09,697 --> 00:30:12,099 Let the woman go. You are under arrest. 721 00:30:12,099 --> 00:30:13,467 I covered him with these very fine little, 722 00:30:13,467 --> 00:30:15,836 sort of, pen-striped seams. 723 00:30:15,836 --> 00:30:17,872 That big piston coming out of his calves 724 00:30:17,872 --> 00:30:20,541 that sort of acts as an Achilles tendon. 725 00:30:20,541 --> 00:30:22,443 These are all things so that when he rotates around 726 00:30:22,443 --> 00:30:23,844 on the screen, 727 00:30:23,844 --> 00:30:25,346 he always strikes a powerful silhouette. 728 00:30:27,147 --> 00:30:29,049 Rob had a great design sense. 729 00:30:29,049 --> 00:30:31,819 He was always pushing for memorable elements. 730 00:30:31,819 --> 00:30:33,787 He wanted to create a character 731 00:30:33,787 --> 00:30:35,190 that would last in people's psyches. 732 00:30:37,292 --> 00:30:40,195 Peter said he wanted to hire a movement coach. 733 00:30:40,195 --> 00:30:42,731 I was called by Peter Weller. 734 00:30:42,731 --> 00:30:45,567 And he asked me whether he could meet with me. 735 00:30:45,567 --> 00:30:48,637 I said, "Why don't you come to the theater sometimes 736 00:30:48,637 --> 00:30:50,338 and we'll play together? 737 00:30:50,338 --> 00:30:54,175 We'll see if we can manage to make something interesting." 738 00:30:54,175 --> 00:30:56,177 Moni Akin is a genius mime. 739 00:30:56,177 --> 00:30:57,579 He's a pantomime, 740 00:30:57,579 --> 00:30:59,014 but he's moved mime into the field of dance, 741 00:30:59,014 --> 00:31:00,248 and he's head of the movement department 742 00:31:00,248 --> 00:31:01,683 at Juilliard. 743 00:31:01,683 --> 00:31:02,717 And he said, "Why don't we do something, 744 00:31:02,717 --> 00:31:04,552 like, more dance-like, right? 745 00:31:04,552 --> 00:31:07,822 And it was almost like kung fu. 746 00:31:07,822 --> 00:31:12,360 It was like almost aikido. A facile type of character. 747 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,864 A cop who has got fantastic energy, and facility, 748 00:31:15,864 --> 00:31:17,165 and physique. 749 00:31:17,165 --> 00:31:19,067 We worked with hockey gear. 750 00:31:19,067 --> 00:31:22,337 And we did things very swift, very fast. 751 00:31:22,337 --> 00:31:25,573 Running, and jumping, and shooting, and falling, 752 00:31:25,573 --> 00:31:28,576 and all kind of acrobatic things. 753 00:31:28,576 --> 00:31:31,413 And he felt pretty secure at the time, 754 00:31:31,413 --> 00:31:33,581 and he went to film it. 755 00:31:33,581 --> 00:31:35,884 The suit arrived, I would say, 756 00:31:35,884 --> 00:31:39,054 at least two weeks late, after it was promised. 757 00:31:39,054 --> 00:31:42,057 So, we couldn't shoot anything that we'd planned with Robo. 758 00:31:42,057 --> 00:31:44,726 We were doing a screen test with him that first day, 759 00:31:44,726 --> 00:31:46,227 and he was trying the suit on. 760 00:31:46,227 --> 00:31:50,365 When I first put it on, uh, it took a long time. 761 00:31:50,365 --> 00:31:51,232 Twelve hours. 762 00:31:51,232 --> 00:31:52,033 Eleven hours. 763 00:31:52,033 --> 00:31:53,902 Ten hours. 764 00:31:53,902 --> 00:31:55,403 It took ten hours to get into it the first time. 765 00:31:55,403 --> 00:31:57,238 Ten hours. 766 00:31:57,238 --> 00:31:59,407 Peter Weller was brought to the set. 767 00:31:59,407 --> 00:32:02,444 Basically, a makeup room, at three o'clock in the morning. 768 00:32:02,444 --> 00:32:04,045 And at three o'clock in the afternoon, 769 00:32:04,045 --> 00:32:05,647 it still didn't fit. 770 00:32:05,647 --> 00:32:08,216 And he was not happy. You know, he was not happy. 771 00:32:08,216 --> 00:32:11,219 The fucking suit doesn't work! 772 00:32:11,219 --> 00:32:13,888 Peter tried on the suit and freaked out. 773 00:32:13,888 --> 00:32:15,790 Fuck it, you know? This is what happened. 774 00:32:15,790 --> 00:32:18,493 He was fucked from what he wanted to do. 775 00:32:18,493 --> 00:32:20,228 Peter Weller couldn't walk in it. 776 00:32:20,228 --> 00:32:21,796 I'm bummed, 777 00:32:21,796 --> 00:32:24,966 'cause I can't do what Moni has been six months 778 00:32:24,966 --> 00:32:26,601 teaching me to do. 779 00:32:26,601 --> 00:32:28,737 He had to study for weeks and weeks, Peter Weller, 780 00:32:28,737 --> 00:32:30,772 with all these things around him, 781 00:32:30,772 --> 00:32:32,774 thinking that basically, now, that it's the costume, 782 00:32:32,774 --> 00:32:34,075 he could do the same. 783 00:32:34,075 --> 00:32:35,410 He couldn't do any of it. Nothing. 784 00:32:36,978 --> 00:32:38,346 I remember sitting there 785 00:32:38,346 --> 00:32:39,981 thinking, "Either we're gonna be here 786 00:32:39,981 --> 00:32:43,451 for the next six months, or they're gonna shut us down. 787 00:32:43,451 --> 00:32:46,321 And I just had this kinda like sinking thing. 788 00:32:46,321 --> 00:32:47,689 He felt cheated, you know? 789 00:32:47,689 --> 00:32:50,125 He felt that he was basically betrayed 790 00:32:50,125 --> 00:32:52,293 in his preparation for the part. 791 00:32:52,293 --> 00:32:53,628 Everyone hated everybody. 792 00:32:53,628 --> 00:32:55,030 Everyone was fighting. 793 00:32:55,030 --> 00:32:57,432 And it was really annoying, this thing. 794 00:32:59,167 --> 00:33:01,136 Paul threw a shit fit. 795 00:33:01,136 --> 00:33:03,705 Rob threw another shit fit. Ed tried to get into the mix. 796 00:33:03,705 --> 00:33:06,007 I got into Ed's face about getting into it. 797 00:33:06,007 --> 00:33:07,375 I look back now, and I kind of cringe, 798 00:33:07,375 --> 00:33:09,010 like the things I did and said. 799 00:33:09,010 --> 00:33:11,146 But anyway, uh, that's how that went. 800 00:33:12,113 --> 00:33:13,882 And then I said, 801 00:33:13,882 --> 00:33:16,818 "This is not gonna work for me," and everybody just went home. 802 00:33:16,818 --> 00:33:19,554 And I'm bummed that Verhoeven now doesn't like me, 803 00:33:19,554 --> 00:33:20,855 or I don't like him either. 804 00:33:20,855 --> 00:33:23,124 We were basically looking, 805 00:33:23,124 --> 00:33:26,361 do we have to do other things, another actor, what, what, what? 806 00:33:26,361 --> 00:33:27,862 And then I get this call 807 00:33:27,862 --> 00:33:29,998 on the dead of night from Medavoy. 808 00:33:29,998 --> 00:33:31,332 He says, you know, 809 00:33:31,332 --> 00:33:32,834 "Paul's thinking about cutting you loose 810 00:33:32,834 --> 00:33:34,736 'cause he's had a bad time on his last film, 811 00:33:34,736 --> 00:33:36,037 and he just doesn't wanna go 812 00:33:36,037 --> 00:33:37,505 through the movie star problem again." 813 00:33:37,505 --> 00:33:38,973 Then Medavoy came there. 814 00:33:38,973 --> 00:33:41,576 He was the head of Orion, seeing basically 815 00:33:41,576 --> 00:33:45,080 what was happening, said, "Okay, you stop. 816 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,082 You're going to figure it out together." 817 00:33:47,082 --> 00:33:49,484 So, they shut down production for a few days. 818 00:33:49,484 --> 00:33:51,086 What they're gonna do is they're gonna do tests. 819 00:33:51,086 --> 00:33:53,054 They're gonna print them in 24 hours. 820 00:33:53,054 --> 00:33:55,323 They're gonna look at the tests, Mike Medavoy and Bob Bernstein 821 00:33:55,323 --> 00:33:56,925 are gonna get on the phone, and say 822 00:33:56,925 --> 00:33:58,593 whether this movie is gonna be made or not. 823 00:33:58,593 --> 00:34:02,997 It was really a crisis of the highest level, in fact. 824 00:34:04,532 --> 00:34:06,101 They flew in Moni. 825 00:34:06,101 --> 00:34:09,104 Everybody was depressed. 826 00:34:09,104 --> 00:34:12,507 Paul Verhoeven, I saw him all brooding, 827 00:34:12,507 --> 00:34:14,409 coming towards me, and he tells me, 828 00:34:14,409 --> 00:34:17,045 "Moni, it's not working." 829 00:34:17,045 --> 00:34:19,347 Moni says, "I need 30 minutes." 830 00:34:19,347 --> 00:34:20,849 And then they put the suit on me. 831 00:34:20,849 --> 00:34:22,750 And he says, "Cut the elbows out of the-- 832 00:34:22,750 --> 00:34:25,787 cut the feet off the thing, the knees and so forth, 833 00:34:25,787 --> 00:34:28,056 so that the joints, the shoulders, everything, 834 00:34:28,056 --> 00:34:30,091 so that all the joints can move. 835 00:34:30,091 --> 00:34:35,797 Because of the awesomeness and the size of this costume, 836 00:34:35,797 --> 00:34:39,567 the thought process of this creature 837 00:34:39,567 --> 00:34:41,569 was much slower. 838 00:34:41,569 --> 00:34:47,108 He says, "Think of yourself as a captured animal. 839 00:34:47,108 --> 00:34:51,779 Huge movements! Huge, with staccato." 840 00:34:51,779 --> 00:34:55,216 And then turn the head, and, like, I said, 841 00:34:55,216 --> 00:35:00,722 "This feels so phony. This feels like bad opera." 842 00:35:00,722 --> 00:35:02,590 And he goes, "I know. Keep doing it." 843 00:35:02,590 --> 00:35:04,592 He said, "Then I'm gonna show you a film." 844 00:35:04,592 --> 00:35:06,895 And then Nikolay Cherkasov came to mind, 845 00:35:06,895 --> 00:35:09,497 because he played Ivan the Terrible, 846 00:35:09,497 --> 00:35:13,168 and he was tremendously stylized. 847 00:35:13,168 --> 00:35:16,938 Everything is this long move 848 00:35:16,938 --> 00:35:18,573 with a staccato at the end of it, 849 00:35:18,573 --> 00:35:21,242 and it's a head turn, like that, right? 850 00:35:21,242 --> 00:35:23,244 And it's phenomenal. 851 00:35:23,244 --> 00:35:24,479 And he turns, 852 00:35:24,479 --> 00:35:26,414 and he will look back at the camera, 853 00:35:26,414 --> 00:35:28,516 and do these things, you know, that are very robotic. 854 00:35:28,516 --> 00:35:30,318 It's a phenomenal performance. 855 00:35:30,318 --> 00:35:31,786 You never get tired of it, and I watched it twice, 856 00:35:31,786 --> 00:35:33,188 and I watched it the next day. 857 00:35:33,188 --> 00:35:34,822 it just struck me 858 00:35:34,822 --> 00:35:39,460 that instead of having the brain in the head, 859 00:35:39,460 --> 00:35:42,830 we had to transfer the brain to the chest, 860 00:35:42,830 --> 00:35:44,766 which means the chest 861 00:35:44,766 --> 00:35:47,769 will be the first thing to react, 862 00:35:47,769 --> 00:35:50,705 and then the neck, and then the head. 863 00:35:50,705 --> 00:35:54,642 We ended in staccato almost every slow motion 864 00:35:54,642 --> 00:36:01,683 to define the process of thought that goes on in the slow motion, 865 00:36:01,683 --> 00:36:04,152 and then getting it. 866 00:36:04,152 --> 00:36:05,954 And I said, "I get it, man. 867 00:36:05,954 --> 00:36:08,056 That is RoboCop." 868 00:36:08,056 --> 00:36:10,792 Peter basically adapted. 869 00:36:10,792 --> 00:36:13,294 You know, and I go up to Paul, I said-- apologized to him, 870 00:36:13,294 --> 00:36:15,730 "Whatever it is, you know, I'll do what you want." 871 00:36:15,730 --> 00:36:17,632 And we sat together, and say, 872 00:36:17,632 --> 00:36:20,368 "Okay, let's basically shake hands and all," 873 00:36:20,368 --> 00:36:22,503 and say, "Okay, we try again." 874 00:36:22,503 --> 00:36:23,905 So, we shot. 875 00:36:23,905 --> 00:36:26,507 And in the evening, we saw the Russians. 876 00:36:26,507 --> 00:36:27,742 Whoa. 877 00:36:27,742 --> 00:36:29,377 And everybody jumped, and applauded, 878 00:36:29,377 --> 00:36:31,746 and said, "We got it." 879 00:36:31,746 --> 00:36:33,881 And they wouldn't let me come back to New York. 880 00:36:38,319 --> 00:36:42,190 They picked Detroit because Detroit is the emblem 881 00:36:42,190 --> 00:36:45,593 of urban America and controversy. 882 00:36:45,593 --> 00:36:47,528 You know, if they'd have set it in LA, 883 00:36:47,528 --> 00:36:49,230 it wouldn't have gotten a buzz. 884 00:36:49,230 --> 00:36:52,000 Paul really didn't wanna shoot it in Los Angeles. 885 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,768 He just didn't think it would be special. 886 00:36:53,768 --> 00:36:55,236 There were too many movies shot here. 887 00:36:55,236 --> 00:36:56,337 He didn't wanted to do something different. 888 00:36:56,337 --> 00:36:58,039 He really didn't wanna be here. 889 00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:02,610 The studio also didn't wanna pay the IAEA union residuals. 890 00:37:02,610 --> 00:37:04,545 And in order to avoid that, 891 00:37:04,545 --> 00:37:08,116 they were happy to get it out of town somewhere. 892 00:37:08,116 --> 00:37:11,386 My job is to go around with the location person, 893 00:37:11,386 --> 00:37:12,954 sift through a lot of stuff, 894 00:37:12,954 --> 00:37:15,790 hopefully, find a bunch of interesting images, 895 00:37:15,790 --> 00:37:17,959 and then let the director sift those, 896 00:37:17,959 --> 00:37:19,761 and we'd start looking at locations. 897 00:37:19,761 --> 00:37:21,029 We looked in Detroit. 898 00:37:22,397 --> 00:37:23,865 You know, we went to Detroit. 899 00:37:23,865 --> 00:37:25,233 But the problem is, 900 00:37:25,233 --> 00:37:26,901 it didn't look like Detroit, you know? 901 00:37:26,901 --> 00:37:29,871 It had the good rundown bits, 902 00:37:29,871 --> 00:37:32,607 but it didn't have the futuristic stuff. 903 00:37:32,607 --> 00:37:35,043 So, Verhoeven and I went to Dallas. 904 00:37:41,282 --> 00:37:43,051 Dallas at that time was interesting 905 00:37:43,051 --> 00:37:47,322 because it was a film market that was trying to develop. 906 00:37:47,322 --> 00:37:50,391 Dallas had just gone through this huge building period. 907 00:37:50,391 --> 00:37:52,794 So, you had all these really fantastic buildings, 908 00:37:52,794 --> 00:37:55,396 a really futuristic-type landscape. 909 00:37:55,396 --> 00:37:59,634 What sold Paul on Dallas is, it was a skyscraper, 910 00:37:59,634 --> 00:38:02,970 completely outlined in green neon. 911 00:38:02,970 --> 00:38:04,272 And he thought, "Boy, that's great. 912 00:38:04,272 --> 00:38:05,640 That's the future." 913 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,476 And when we got there to shoot, it had broken, 914 00:38:08,476 --> 00:38:09,911 and the light was off. 915 00:38:09,911 --> 00:38:11,479 We looked all over Dallas, 916 00:38:11,479 --> 00:38:13,748 looking at old police stations, and looking at this, 917 00:38:13,748 --> 00:38:16,150 and we finally narrowed it down to what we needed. 918 00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:19,787 I think I had about four, 500,000 dollars for the sets. 919 00:38:19,787 --> 00:38:21,189 We needed that kind of money 920 00:38:21,189 --> 00:38:23,424 because Paul was blowing things up 921 00:38:23,424 --> 00:38:25,526 wherever we went. 922 00:38:27,128 --> 00:38:29,330 It was like we were building sets for Paul to show up 923 00:38:29,330 --> 00:38:30,331 and blow them up. 924 00:38:30,331 --> 00:38:31,199 Take one! 925 00:38:33,701 --> 00:38:35,136 And we discovered 926 00:38:35,136 --> 00:38:37,839 that we could create a corporation in Texas, 927 00:38:37,839 --> 00:38:40,842 hire people on the Texas IA contract. 928 00:38:40,842 --> 00:38:44,112 Their contract didn't stipulate residuals. 929 00:38:44,112 --> 00:38:46,381 So, we set it up that way. 930 00:38:46,381 --> 00:38:48,816 The name of the corporation was Tobor, 931 00:38:48,816 --> 00:38:50,952 robot spelled backwards. 932 00:38:50,952 --> 00:38:54,622 They were shooting in Dallas from August to October in 1986, 933 00:38:54,622 --> 00:38:57,125 which are the hottest, most humid parts 934 00:38:57,125 --> 00:38:58,493 of the United States. 935 00:38:58,493 --> 00:38:59,727 It was hot during the day. 936 00:38:59,727 --> 00:39:01,329 And at night, it just got dark. 937 00:39:01,329 --> 00:39:02,797 It was still hot. It didn't get cooler at night. 938 00:39:02,797 --> 00:39:06,134 It was just dark. 939 00:39:06,134 --> 00:39:09,337 I had an enormous impact on RoboCop 940 00:39:09,337 --> 00:39:12,907 because I was the guy that capitalized the C, 941 00:39:14,575 --> 00:39:17,745 because it was too hard to read with a lowercase C. 942 00:39:19,147 --> 00:39:22,017 I was highly amazed by the news 943 00:39:22,017 --> 00:39:23,986 and television in general, you know? 944 00:39:23,986 --> 00:39:26,255 It was very un-European, 945 00:39:26,255 --> 00:39:28,757 with two people talking and laughing, 946 00:39:28,757 --> 00:39:31,660 and basically, I mean, in Holland and in France, 947 00:39:31,660 --> 00:39:34,029 or the BBC, I think, that there was a guy 948 00:39:34,029 --> 00:39:36,331 who sits there and tells the news, you know? 949 00:39:36,331 --> 00:39:38,066 But then in the United States, it was already 950 00:39:38,066 --> 00:39:39,768 very over the top, I would say. 951 00:39:39,768 --> 00:39:41,370 This is Media Break. 952 00:39:41,370 --> 00:39:43,839 You give us three minutes, we'll give you the world. 953 00:39:45,007 --> 00:39:46,375 Good morning. 954 00:39:46,375 --> 00:39:47,176 I'm Casey Wong with Jesse Perkins. 955 00:39:48,510 --> 00:39:50,913 No one had ever heard of anything like this, 956 00:39:50,913 --> 00:39:54,116 deliver bad news with a smile. 957 00:39:54,116 --> 00:39:55,884 You bet. 958 00:39:55,884 --> 00:39:58,854 Next time you see a cop, smile. Thanks for watching. 959 00:39:58,854 --> 00:40:01,924 It was very much like it is, 960 00:40:01,924 --> 00:40:04,927 where you would go from impending doom 961 00:40:04,927 --> 00:40:08,430 to a beauty pageant, all in... like that, 962 00:40:08,430 --> 00:40:10,899 with the same kind of delivery. 963 00:40:10,899 --> 00:40:13,802 Three dead police officers, one critically injured. 964 00:40:13,802 --> 00:40:16,805 My amazement about American television, 965 00:40:16,805 --> 00:40:19,107 you see very well in the movie, of course, 966 00:40:19,107 --> 00:40:22,144 and I pushed it very hard in a hyperbolic way. 967 00:40:22,144 --> 00:40:24,780 So, it became kind of light, and funny, and strange. 968 00:40:29,551 --> 00:40:32,421 I remember when we scouted the police station location, 969 00:40:32,421 --> 00:40:36,625 we were in this big, sort of, abandoned factory facility, 970 00:40:36,625 --> 00:40:38,427 and there were tiles, and lockers, 971 00:40:38,427 --> 00:40:39,628 and all sorts of things. 972 00:40:39,628 --> 00:40:41,129 Is there any word on Fredrickson? 973 00:40:41,129 --> 00:40:44,466 We're doing this long, very balletic dolly shot, 974 00:40:44,466 --> 00:40:47,236 which starts on me coming down a hall. 975 00:40:47,236 --> 00:40:50,806 It's a continuous shot. It never stops moving. 976 00:40:50,806 --> 00:40:53,775 And you get little tidbits of lines from different people. 977 00:40:53,775 --> 00:40:55,310 Beats me, man. 978 00:40:55,310 --> 00:40:56,645 I think OCP's moving a lot of new guys up here. 979 00:40:56,645 --> 00:40:58,280 It was dressed in a way 980 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,282 that you could go to the other room, 981 00:41:00,282 --> 00:41:02,451 come back, and turn around, 982 00:41:02,451 --> 00:41:04,152 and end up in the locker room again. 983 00:41:04,152 --> 00:41:05,988 There was no cut necessary. 984 00:41:05,988 --> 00:41:07,322 It's all one shot 985 00:41:07,322 --> 00:41:09,124 with what they called the JostiCam. 986 00:41:09,124 --> 00:41:11,093 JostiCam? Yeah. Okay. 987 00:41:12,461 --> 00:41:13,862 And it was Jost Vacano's 988 00:41:13,862 --> 00:41:15,597 version of his own Steadicam 989 00:41:15,597 --> 00:41:17,299 that he had invented for Das Boot. 990 00:41:19,768 --> 00:41:21,303 Jost, man. 991 00:41:21,303 --> 00:41:22,771 Jost is running those shots up and down here, 992 00:41:22,771 --> 00:41:25,307 his own gyro, Aeroflex thing that he invented. 993 00:41:25,307 --> 00:41:27,209 It was like a Steadicam, but everybody goes, 994 00:41:27,209 --> 00:41:28,877 "What's Jost's invention? A Steadicam?" 995 00:41:28,877 --> 00:41:31,313 No, it's not a Steadicam. It's a gyro camera. 996 00:41:31,313 --> 00:41:32,948 My approach was, 997 00:41:32,948 --> 00:41:35,651 I would like to shoot this film very realistic, 998 00:41:35,651 --> 00:41:38,554 a little bit documentary-like, with a handheld camera 999 00:41:38,554 --> 00:41:41,123 and with very much available light, 1000 00:41:41,123 --> 00:41:44,960 no real film lighting, what you would normally expect. 1001 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,195 They came up with banks of lights 1002 00:41:47,195 --> 00:41:48,964 that were fluorescents. 1003 00:41:48,964 --> 00:41:51,400 Not very lovely on the face, but it really did the trick, 1004 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,468 and created a good mood in the film. 1005 00:41:53,468 --> 00:41:55,804 My feeling is that the handheld camera, 1006 00:41:55,804 --> 00:41:58,507 if it's not distracting, if it's reduced, 1007 00:41:58,507 --> 00:42:01,376 it's an underlay of human movement. 1008 00:42:01,376 --> 00:42:04,746 This is catching the audience much better emotionally. 1009 00:42:04,746 --> 00:42:08,216 There was one shot that we did in RoboCop 1010 00:42:08,216 --> 00:42:10,752 in the boardroom where he takes us 1011 00:42:10,752 --> 00:42:13,989 off the elevator, we go into the boardroom. 1012 00:42:13,989 --> 00:42:15,924 Don't mess with Jones, man. He'll make sushi out of you. 1013 00:42:15,924 --> 00:42:17,993 It's one beautiful shot. 1014 00:42:17,993 --> 00:42:20,228 And there's dialogue going on, and exposition. 1015 00:42:20,228 --> 00:42:21,563 We'll turn things around. 1016 00:42:21,563 --> 00:42:22,764 But it's all that kinetic movement. 1017 00:42:22,764 --> 00:42:24,199 So, you don't really realize 1018 00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:26,068 you're getting pages of exposition there. 1019 00:42:26,068 --> 00:42:28,604 I just love the way that Paul directs. 1020 00:42:28,604 --> 00:42:30,339 Delta City. 1021 00:42:30,339 --> 00:42:33,075 Jost, he could go anywhere, do anything, 1022 00:42:33,075 --> 00:42:36,044 follow you doing anything, and it was a little bit noisy. 1023 00:42:36,044 --> 00:42:40,449 As a sound guy, imagine having what sounds like a 737 1024 00:42:40,449 --> 00:42:42,284 taking off right next to you. 1025 00:42:44,219 --> 00:42:45,721 It sounded like a sewing machine. 1026 00:42:47,255 --> 00:42:48,757 So, they had to get rid of a lot of that in post. 1027 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,729 Paul had a hard time visualizing 1028 00:42:53,729 --> 00:42:56,198 what a police station would look like in America. 1029 00:42:56,198 --> 00:42:57,566 Attempted murder? 1030 00:42:57,566 --> 00:42:59,201 Well, it's not like he killed someone! 1031 00:42:59,201 --> 00:43:00,569 We wanted a contrast, 1032 00:43:00,569 --> 00:43:03,205 so we made an older police station, 1033 00:43:03,205 --> 00:43:06,608 you know, and Paul liked it. We sold him on the idea. 1034 00:43:06,608 --> 00:43:10,045 And I had a photo shoot done with all these, like, bad guys, 1035 00:43:10,045 --> 00:43:11,913 and their henchmen, and everything, you know? 1036 00:43:11,913 --> 00:43:15,150 We would work all night trying to make it better, 1037 00:43:15,150 --> 00:43:16,752 and also not spend any more money. 1038 00:43:16,752 --> 00:43:18,153 That was my whole thing. 1039 00:43:18,153 --> 00:43:19,121 It's like, "I'm not gonna spend any more money, 1040 00:43:19,121 --> 00:43:20,822 but I'll make it better." 1041 00:43:20,822 --> 00:43:23,091 We virtually dressed at it, like, 5:00 in the morning, 1042 00:43:23,091 --> 00:43:25,060 and they walked in and started shooting the movie. 1043 00:43:25,060 --> 00:43:26,428 Listen, pal! 1044 00:43:26,428 --> 00:43:29,264 Your client's a scumbag, you're a scumbag, 1045 00:43:29,264 --> 00:43:31,466 and scumbags see the judge on Monday morning! 1046 00:43:31,466 --> 00:43:34,636 Robert DoQui was just, like, this walking encyclopedia. 1047 00:43:34,636 --> 00:43:37,105 He was just so full of knowledge, you know? 1048 00:43:37,105 --> 00:43:38,774 I loved Robert DoQui. 1049 00:43:38,774 --> 00:43:41,977 And we had a great working relationship together. 1050 00:43:41,977 --> 00:43:44,279 He introduced himself. And I knew who he was. 1051 00:43:44,279 --> 00:43:46,915 I mean, I was trying to be cool. But I mean, Robert DoQui, 1052 00:43:46,915 --> 00:43:49,785 he did a lot of great body of work. 1053 00:43:49,785 --> 00:43:51,353 But in my mind, I'm thinking, 1054 00:43:51,353 --> 00:43:53,422 "This is the guy that plays Florence's boyfriend 1055 00:43:53,422 --> 00:43:55,624 on The Jeffersons, " you know, and he was in Coffy, 1056 00:43:55,624 --> 00:43:58,160 and all these Black exploitation films from the '70s. 1057 00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,361 What the hell's going on around here? 1058 00:43:59,361 --> 00:44:01,129 So, he had great chops. 1059 00:44:01,129 --> 00:44:02,464 I mean, he had done all kinds of episodic television 1060 00:44:02,464 --> 00:44:03,265 and all kinds of cool stuff. 1061 00:44:03,265 --> 00:44:04,933 Now, look. 1062 00:44:04,933 --> 00:44:05,967 Why don't you run in the other room and get yourself 1063 00:44:05,967 --> 00:44:07,269 a cup of coffee? 1064 00:44:07,269 --> 00:44:08,870 Not now, E.J. Get a cup of coffee. 1065 00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:10,138 Oh, Searg. 1066 00:44:10,138 --> 00:44:11,707 It could have been a thankless role. 1067 00:44:11,707 --> 00:44:13,375 But because of who he was, 1068 00:44:13,375 --> 00:44:15,777 it becomes a very memorable part of the film. 1069 00:44:16,445 --> 00:44:17,713 Now, get out of my police station 1070 00:44:17,713 --> 00:44:19,481 and take Laughing Boy with you! 1071 00:44:21,550 --> 00:44:23,685 I remember talking to Ed Neumeier 1072 00:44:23,685 --> 00:44:25,454 about the cops' names, which, you know, 1073 00:44:25,454 --> 00:44:27,222 they're all names of mass murderers. 1074 00:44:30,859 --> 00:44:32,694 Like Carol Chessman, who was the last man 1075 00:44:32,694 --> 00:44:36,131 killed in the gas chamber in California. 1076 00:44:36,131 --> 00:44:38,233 Charlie Starkweather. 1077 00:44:38,233 --> 00:44:41,236 And then there was a character named Manson. 1078 00:44:41,236 --> 00:44:42,738 I figured out rather quickly, 1079 00:44:42,738 --> 00:44:44,005 you know, that they were all named 1080 00:44:44,005 --> 00:44:45,407 after serial killers, 1081 00:44:45,407 --> 00:44:47,542 which later on, the writer said to us, you know, 1082 00:44:47,542 --> 00:44:49,644 I said, "Yes, I was aware of that, yeah." 1083 00:44:49,644 --> 00:44:51,813 When I looked up who I was named after, 1084 00:44:51,813 --> 00:44:52,848 I was like, "Whoa!" 1085 00:44:55,350 --> 00:44:57,052 This was Ed's idea, and it worked, you know? 1086 00:44:57,052 --> 00:44:58,553 I remember talking to him about it, 1087 00:44:58,553 --> 00:44:59,921 and saying, you know, "Why are these names?" 1088 00:44:59,921 --> 00:45:01,523 And he said, "Oh, it's just, you know, 1089 00:45:01,523 --> 00:45:03,091 we wanted to have some fun with this whole thing. 1090 00:45:03,091 --> 00:45:05,360 So, we named all the cops after mass murderers." 1091 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:06,228 Welcome to hell! 1092 00:45:07,596 --> 00:45:08,730 I thought that was kind of cool actually. 1093 00:45:10,932 --> 00:45:12,367 "Well, I'll tell you what we should do. 1094 00:45:12,367 --> 00:45:13,902 We should strike. Fuck em!" 1095 00:45:16,071 --> 00:45:19,608 Jonathan Kaplan, the director, was attached early on. 1096 00:45:19,608 --> 00:45:21,743 And Jonathan Kaplan's favorite phrase 1097 00:45:21,743 --> 00:45:23,345 when they talk about, 1098 00:45:23,345 --> 00:45:24,679 "Well, the studio's gonna say this, so the money..." 1099 00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:25,881 is "Fuck 'em!" 1100 00:45:25,881 --> 00:45:28,183 So, as an homage to him, 1101 00:45:28,183 --> 00:45:30,352 Ed Neumeier created a character, Kaplan, 1102 00:45:30,352 --> 00:45:32,187 that would say, "Fuck 'em!" 1103 00:45:32,187 --> 00:45:34,222 We should strike. Fuck 'em! 1104 00:45:34,222 --> 00:45:35,857 When you look at those scenes, 1105 00:45:35,857 --> 00:45:38,627 those people are sweaty, and grimy, and disgusting 1106 00:45:38,627 --> 00:45:41,396 because we were sweaty, and grimy, and disgusting 1107 00:45:41,396 --> 00:45:43,298 when we were making the movie. 1108 00:45:43,298 --> 00:45:46,234 You had the men and the women sharing the locker room. 1109 00:45:46,234 --> 00:45:48,637 It just seemed to be that you had to be just 1110 00:45:48,637 --> 00:45:50,539 a self-survivor and take care of yourself. 1111 00:45:50,539 --> 00:45:53,575 You know, it was not an era where you depended on men. 1112 00:45:53,575 --> 00:45:55,043 There are actually 1113 00:45:55,043 --> 00:45:56,745 a few classic sound effects in RoboCop. 1114 00:45:57,546 --> 00:46:00,148 There's a face impact that is known in the trade 1115 00:46:00,148 --> 00:46:01,583 as the John Wayne chin slap. 1116 00:46:04,452 --> 00:46:06,154 And it's the great, cracky face punch 1117 00:46:06,154 --> 00:46:07,289 when Lewis takes out her suspect. 1118 00:46:13,628 --> 00:46:15,997 In the script, it said she takes off her helmet 1119 00:46:15,997 --> 00:46:17,232 and her hair cascades down. 1120 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,635 You know, I thought, "Well, I can do that," you know? 1121 00:46:20,635 --> 00:46:25,140 After meeting with Paul, he wanted her hair to be short. 1122 00:46:25,140 --> 00:46:28,476 So, I had my hair cut, and they looked at it, 1123 00:46:28,476 --> 00:46:31,112 and they said, "Hmm, a little bit more." 1124 00:46:31,112 --> 00:46:33,415 So, we cut it again, and then we cut it again. 1125 00:46:33,415 --> 00:46:34,749 I went through the process 1126 00:46:34,749 --> 00:46:36,318 of, like, eight different haircuts. 1127 00:46:36,318 --> 00:46:37,619 So, I ended up with really nothing. 1128 00:46:37,619 --> 00:46:38,353 It was really awful. 1129 00:46:39,754 --> 00:46:42,424 She's introduced as a male character almost. 1130 00:46:43,325 --> 00:46:44,359 Lewis! 1131 00:46:44,359 --> 00:46:45,627 Come here when you're finished 1132 00:46:45,627 --> 00:46:46,761 fucking around with your suspect! 1133 00:46:46,761 --> 00:46:48,797 Get on your feet! 1134 00:46:48,797 --> 00:46:50,432 She was made to look more butch or not more butch. 1135 00:46:50,432 --> 00:46:52,033 And in the end, it's sort of a compromise. 1136 00:46:52,033 --> 00:46:53,935 She looks very feminine. She's attractive. 1137 00:46:53,935 --> 00:46:56,504 Murphy, meet Lewis. Show him the neighborhood. 1138 00:46:56,504 --> 00:46:57,873 Glad to know you, Murphy. 1139 00:46:57,873 --> 00:46:59,608 You know, when she takes out the guys, 1140 00:46:59,608 --> 00:47:02,944 and all the karate and so forth, and I said, "Pretty neat." 1141 00:47:02,944 --> 00:47:04,179 Pretty neat. 1142 00:47:04,179 --> 00:47:05,947 I just found her entertaining. 1143 00:47:05,947 --> 00:47:08,049 I have my own process 1144 00:47:08,049 --> 00:47:10,285 in terms of how I prepare a role, 1145 00:47:10,285 --> 00:47:13,021 and I like to write a biography of the character, 1146 00:47:13,021 --> 00:47:14,789 what you don't know. 1147 00:47:14,789 --> 00:47:19,227 I had her fatherless, that her father had died. 1148 00:47:19,227 --> 00:47:22,130 So, she became even more independent and strong. 1149 00:47:22,130 --> 00:47:24,332 And a younger brother rather than an older brother. 1150 00:47:24,332 --> 00:47:25,800 So, she really took that role 1151 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,302 of being the strength of the family. 1152 00:47:28,670 --> 00:47:30,205 I better drive until you know your way around. 1153 00:47:30,205 --> 00:47:37,012 And Nancy's like a dream, and sweet, and fun. 1154 00:47:37,012 --> 00:47:38,914 And don't laugh, 1155 00:47:38,914 --> 00:47:40,982 but I actually put on a pair of men's underpants. 1156 00:47:42,517 --> 00:47:45,887 Just to see, like, "Ooh! What does that feel like?" 1157 00:47:45,887 --> 00:47:47,522 I know it's bizarre, but, you know, 1158 00:47:47,522 --> 00:47:49,524 you've got to try these things to see what works. 1159 00:47:49,524 --> 00:47:52,494 And, you know, my father was a New York City cop. 1160 00:47:52,494 --> 00:47:55,697 So, I did have an understanding of who these people are 1161 00:47:55,697 --> 00:47:56,831 and why they do what they do. 1162 00:47:57,532 --> 00:47:58,867 I usually drive 1163 00:47:58,867 --> 00:48:00,435 when I'm breaking in on a new partner. 1164 00:48:00,435 --> 00:48:04,273 Lewis was a little skeptical, like the sergeant was, 1165 00:48:04,273 --> 00:48:06,876 about, "Oh, who's this guy from this really, you know, 1166 00:48:06,876 --> 00:48:08,744 la-la-la area 1167 00:48:08,744 --> 00:48:10,112 where he didn't really have to work 1168 00:48:10,112 --> 00:48:11,948 for a living, as the sergeant said. 1169 00:48:11,948 --> 00:48:13,783 We work for a living down here, Murphy. 1170 00:48:13,783 --> 00:48:16,452 But quickly, she finds that he's a strong guy. 1171 00:48:16,452 --> 00:48:18,354 Pretty fancy moves, Murphy. 1172 00:48:19,889 --> 00:48:22,625 I did have some modicum of police training. 1173 00:48:22,625 --> 00:48:24,226 But I grew up with guns. I grew up with hunting. 1174 00:48:24,226 --> 00:48:25,761 I grew up with handguns. 1175 00:48:25,761 --> 00:48:27,296 And I grew up with fast drawing. 1176 00:48:28,764 --> 00:48:30,366 And I have Colts and all that. 1177 00:48:30,366 --> 00:48:33,035 And I can do that stuff. I did it in RoboCop. 1178 00:48:33,035 --> 00:48:34,236 Flipping a gun, doing all that stuff. 1179 00:48:34,236 --> 00:48:35,905 Uh, yeah. 1180 00:48:35,905 --> 00:48:38,107 Well, my son Jimmy watches this cop show T.J. Lazer. 1181 00:48:38,107 --> 00:48:39,408 And this laser guy does this every time 1182 00:48:39,408 --> 00:48:40,776 he takes down a bad guy. 1183 00:48:43,045 --> 00:48:44,213 Can you do that, Dad? 1184 00:48:48,751 --> 00:48:51,253 T.J. Lazer was the very first thing we shot. 1185 00:48:51,253 --> 00:48:54,957 I rented some 16mm equipment from the UCLA Tech Office, 1186 00:48:54,957 --> 00:48:58,928 and we went out to a vacant lot, and Ed organized the jumpsuit. 1187 00:49:00,096 --> 00:49:01,797 I was a cinematographer. 1188 00:49:01,797 --> 00:49:04,800 So, the way it's set up, those shots were easy for me. 1189 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,335 That was definitely a fun spoof. 1190 00:49:08,404 --> 00:49:12,274 Obviously, inspired by those terrible TV shows 1191 00:49:12,274 --> 00:49:14,343 of the '70s, right? 1192 00:49:14,343 --> 00:49:15,144 T.J. Hooker. 1193 00:49:17,146 --> 00:49:18,681 Yeah. 1194 00:49:18,681 --> 00:49:21,417 Well, role models can be very important to a boy. 1195 00:49:21,417 --> 00:49:22,952 He had a sense of humor, 1196 00:49:22,952 --> 00:49:24,487 as did she, and they kind of had a little play 1197 00:49:24,487 --> 00:49:26,522 together for that moment. 1198 00:49:26,522 --> 00:49:27,590 All units, all units, sector nine. 1199 00:49:27,590 --> 00:49:28,991 Why don't you drive? 1200 00:49:28,991 --> 00:49:30,926 And they bonded very quickly. 1201 00:49:30,926 --> 00:49:33,262 Nancy is my buddy. 1202 00:49:33,262 --> 00:49:35,598 Nancy's like, "Hey, 1203 00:49:35,598 --> 00:49:37,366 let's go eat Mexican food in Fort Worth." 1204 00:49:37,366 --> 00:49:40,603 "Yeah!" So, there's a bond. 1205 00:49:40,603 --> 00:49:42,138 And plus, which, when you're acting 1206 00:49:42,138 --> 00:49:43,706 with her, she's a dreamboat. 1207 00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:56,952 In playing characters like Dick Jones, 1208 00:49:56,952 --> 00:50:00,056 I look for everything good about him. 1209 00:50:00,056 --> 00:50:01,557 As you know, 1210 00:50:01,557 --> 00:50:02,625 we've entered into a contract with the city 1211 00:50:02,625 --> 00:50:04,493 to run local law enforcement. 1212 00:50:04,493 --> 00:50:06,395 Because guys like Dick Jones. 1213 00:50:06,395 --> 00:50:09,865 Guys like that. They don't think they're bad. 1214 00:50:09,865 --> 00:50:11,700 They just think if everybody knew 1215 00:50:11,700 --> 00:50:14,804 what the hell they were doing, they'd see things as they do. 1216 00:50:16,038 --> 00:50:18,140 We need something more. 1217 00:50:18,140 --> 00:50:21,644 We need a 24-hour-a-day police officer. 1218 00:50:21,644 --> 00:50:24,880 A cop who doesn't need to eat or sleep. 1219 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,484 A cop with superior firepower and the reflexes to use them. 1220 00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:32,888 Fellow executives, it gives me great pleasure 1221 00:50:32,888 --> 00:50:35,658 to introduce you to the future of law enforcement... 1222 00:50:37,493 --> 00:50:39,395 ED-209. 1223 00:50:47,770 --> 00:50:50,439 We weren't involved with the design of ED-209. 1224 00:50:50,439 --> 00:50:52,908 I mean, we just told Phil Tippett, 1225 00:50:52,908 --> 00:50:55,211 you know, "Here's the script to ED-209." 1226 00:51:08,858 --> 00:51:10,426 We go to machine shops, 1227 00:51:10,426 --> 00:51:13,963 and, you know, robotic shops, and shot a lot of footage. 1228 00:51:13,963 --> 00:51:16,365 Reference footage of how robotic things 1229 00:51:16,365 --> 00:51:18,701 and machines attack, and decay, and move, 1230 00:51:18,701 --> 00:51:21,303 and come to stops and starts, which is very different 1231 00:51:21,303 --> 00:51:22,872 than an organic thing, you know? 1232 00:51:22,872 --> 00:51:23,906 'Cause an organic thing will go like... 1233 00:51:25,374 --> 00:51:27,309 And a, you know, robotic thing will go like... 1234 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,149 Ed Neumeier had pictures 1235 00:51:33,149 --> 00:51:36,986 that he'd taken off of some Japanese manga 1236 00:51:36,986 --> 00:51:39,421 that had a giant robot that had, like, 1237 00:51:39,421 --> 00:51:42,124 his arms terminated into guns. 1238 00:51:42,124 --> 00:51:44,460 So, Ed knew he wanted something like that. 1239 00:51:45,828 --> 00:51:47,163 ED-209 is Phil. 1240 00:51:47,163 --> 00:51:48,330 I mean, it's just, as you get to know 1241 00:51:48,330 --> 00:51:50,166 Phil's work, it's just Phil. 1242 00:51:50,166 --> 00:51:53,169 No one could do that the way Phil can do it. 1243 00:51:53,169 --> 00:51:55,004 It was a very exciting group of people. 1244 00:51:55,004 --> 00:51:56,572 And, uh, they just came in, 1245 00:51:56,572 --> 00:51:59,742 and they did solid, sincere work, you know? 1246 00:52:01,777 --> 00:52:05,147 I happened to meet this kid at a barbecue 1247 00:52:05,147 --> 00:52:07,149 that some of the costume guys were doing 1248 00:52:07,149 --> 00:52:11,153 on Return of the Jedi, and his work was really great. 1249 00:52:11,153 --> 00:52:13,255 I mean, he couldn't have been more than 18 or 19 at the time. 1250 00:52:13,255 --> 00:52:14,657 It was Craig Hayes. 1251 00:52:14,657 --> 00:52:16,325 It was sort of like working in a garage 1252 00:52:16,325 --> 00:52:17,826 with your buddies, you know? 1253 00:52:17,826 --> 00:52:20,529 Everybody, all ten of us, you know, 1254 00:52:20,529 --> 00:52:23,299 were there to just really do this one kind of task, 1255 00:52:23,299 --> 00:52:25,100 and everybody was really into it. 1256 00:52:25,100 --> 00:52:28,170 The whole idea behind ED-209 was that it was styled. 1257 00:52:28,170 --> 00:52:30,206 The enforcement droid, Series 209, 1258 00:52:30,206 --> 00:52:32,675 is a self-sufficient law enforcement robot. 1259 00:52:32,675 --> 00:52:35,211 209 is currently programmed for urban pacification, 1260 00:52:35,211 --> 00:52:36,712 but that is only the beginning. 1261 00:52:36,712 --> 00:52:38,214 It was styled like a piece 1262 00:52:38,214 --> 00:52:42,518 of, you know, American automotive hardware. 1263 00:52:42,518 --> 00:52:45,988 We can expect 209 to become the hot military product 1264 00:52:45,988 --> 00:52:47,189 for the next decade. 1265 00:52:48,824 --> 00:52:51,227 Obviously, we've gotta reference military technology, 1266 00:52:51,227 --> 00:52:53,028 tanks, helicopters in particular, 1267 00:52:53,028 --> 00:52:55,798 because they're some of the more, sort of, advanced, 1268 00:52:55,798 --> 00:52:58,968 kind of interesting shapes, and forms, and stuff. 1269 00:52:58,968 --> 00:53:00,970 This thing needed to have a character, you know? 1270 00:53:00,970 --> 00:53:02,705 So, it couldn't be just simply a machine. 1271 00:53:02,705 --> 00:53:05,040 So, mix that with some organic, 1272 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,310 the organic nature of a killer whale. 1273 00:53:08,310 --> 00:53:11,213 The idea of giving it a face without having a face 1274 00:53:11,213 --> 00:53:14,183 was really kind of, you know, an important part to it. 1275 00:53:14,183 --> 00:53:15,751 Very early on, you know, 1276 00:53:15,751 --> 00:53:18,587 Craig was doing the designs, and he looked too happy. 1277 00:53:18,587 --> 00:53:21,590 So, he was joking around and making him look mean. 1278 00:53:24,260 --> 00:53:25,928 Stop motion is basically, 1279 00:53:25,928 --> 00:53:27,763 you're moving everything frame by frame. 1280 00:53:27,763 --> 00:53:29,598 There's an articulate skeleton or armature 1281 00:53:29,598 --> 00:53:31,433 inside of the puppet, which allows the joints 1282 00:53:31,433 --> 00:53:33,902 to be tensioned or adjusted just right. 1283 00:53:33,902 --> 00:53:36,205 We worked at 24 frames per second, right? 1284 00:53:36,205 --> 00:53:39,074 So, that means for every second of screen time, 1285 00:53:39,074 --> 00:53:41,277 there's 24 increments in there. 1286 00:53:43,178 --> 00:53:45,581 This puppet is an avatar for you. 1287 00:53:45,581 --> 00:53:47,283 So, you're acting through this puppet. 1288 00:53:47,283 --> 00:53:50,185 So, you better know every square millimeter 1289 00:53:50,185 --> 00:53:51,587 of that puppet. 1290 00:53:51,587 --> 00:53:54,189 You're imbuing an inanimate object 1291 00:53:54,189 --> 00:53:55,591 with a personality, 1292 00:53:55,591 --> 00:53:57,793 and you're giving it that personality. 1293 00:53:57,793 --> 00:54:00,796 So, it's a very special relationship 1294 00:54:00,796 --> 00:54:03,065 between animator and model. 1295 00:54:05,267 --> 00:54:08,137 The movement of ED-209 1296 00:54:08,137 --> 00:54:10,606 mostly came from an older printing press, 1297 00:54:10,606 --> 00:54:12,074 which is cast iron. 1298 00:54:12,074 --> 00:54:14,743 And so, we added that to the leg movement. 1299 00:54:22,651 --> 00:54:25,554 There were some budgetary issues for the thing. 1300 00:54:25,554 --> 00:54:29,058 We never even got to have him move in the scene. 1301 00:54:29,058 --> 00:54:31,794 So, I proposed to Paul that we build a 1302 00:54:31,794 --> 00:54:35,664 full-size ED-209 if he bought my pitch, 1303 00:54:35,664 --> 00:54:38,634 and that would be he can't move. 1304 00:54:38,634 --> 00:54:40,135 Oh, okay. 1305 00:54:40,135 --> 00:54:42,271 But we keep him alive 1306 00:54:42,271 --> 00:54:44,907 by, like, a mechanical pedal note. 1307 00:54:44,907 --> 00:54:47,009 So, he has a voice that's running through the scene 1308 00:54:47,009 --> 00:54:48,911 that's kind of this ominous drone. 1309 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,682 And, Paul in. Yeah, that would totally work. 1310 00:54:53,682 --> 00:54:55,351 Yes. 1311 00:55:03,158 --> 00:55:05,661 The thing's made of fiberglass, and vacuum-formed plastic, 1312 00:55:05,661 --> 00:55:07,629 and is, in fact, very lightweight. 1313 00:55:07,629 --> 00:55:09,031 You know, two people could break the thing down 1314 00:55:09,031 --> 00:55:10,599 and put it back together pretty easily. 1315 00:55:12,034 --> 00:55:14,970 I remember when ED-209 arrived on the set. 1316 00:55:14,970 --> 00:55:17,039 It was a giant crate. 1317 00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:19,007 And, you know, it took him all morning 1318 00:55:19,007 --> 00:55:20,642 to uncrate this thing. 1319 00:55:20,642 --> 00:55:24,113 And I go up to Paul, and he's sick as a dog. 1320 00:55:24,113 --> 00:55:26,615 I think he's got the flu. 1321 00:55:26,615 --> 00:55:28,951 And I said, "Paul, you'll be glad to know 1322 00:55:28,951 --> 00:55:31,186 ED-209 looks great." 1323 00:55:31,186 --> 00:55:34,289 And he said, "Well, I hope the next director 1324 00:55:34,289 --> 00:55:36,191 will appreciate it." 1325 00:55:41,497 --> 00:55:42,998 Dr. McNamara. 1326 00:55:42,998 --> 00:55:44,032 We'll need an arrest subject. 1327 00:55:44,032 --> 00:55:45,567 -Mr. Kinney. -Yes, sir. 1328 00:55:45,567 --> 00:55:46,368 Would you come up and give us a hand, please? 1329 00:55:46,368 --> 00:55:48,036 Yes, sir. 1330 00:55:48,036 --> 00:55:51,573 When Mr. Kinney points the gun at the boss guy, 1331 00:55:51,573 --> 00:55:53,976 I didn't really get that in the script. 1332 00:55:53,976 --> 00:55:55,210 So, when he says... 1333 00:55:55,210 --> 00:55:56,712 Use your gun in a threatening manner. 1334 00:55:56,712 --> 00:55:58,881 I... I pointed it at ED-209. 1335 00:55:58,881 --> 00:56:00,516 And Paul comes, "No, no, no, no, no! 1336 00:56:00,516 --> 00:56:02,017 You must point it at him." 1337 00:56:02,017 --> 00:56:04,186 And then sort of told him what the joke was. 1338 00:56:04,186 --> 00:56:05,687 Action. 1339 00:56:05,687 --> 00:56:07,256 Point it at ED-209. 1340 00:56:07,256 --> 00:56:08,257 Yes, sir. 1341 00:56:11,193 --> 00:56:13,929 Drop the gun! You have ten seconds to comply. 1342 00:56:15,497 --> 00:56:18,100 Paul would play ED-209 1343 00:56:18,100 --> 00:56:20,702 in all the VistaVision plates, you know? 1344 00:56:20,702 --> 00:56:22,004 You go like this, and you shoot. 1345 00:56:25,707 --> 00:56:27,009 Just screams! 1346 00:56:28,010 --> 00:56:29,611 And everybody would react to it. 1347 00:56:29,611 --> 00:56:32,448 And it was actually very effective. 1348 00:56:32,448 --> 00:56:34,249 You have five seconds to comply. 1349 00:56:34,249 --> 00:56:36,518 We needed language for ED-209 1350 00:56:36,518 --> 00:56:38,754 because he had a pre-programmed card. 1351 00:56:40,222 --> 00:56:44,193 Please put down your weapon. You have 20 seconds to comply. 1352 00:56:45,794 --> 00:56:47,896 His voice was the producer Jon Davison. 1353 00:56:47,896 --> 00:56:48,932 Uh-huh. 1354 00:56:48,932 --> 00:56:50,099 That they cheesed up a little. 1355 00:56:50,099 --> 00:56:52,469 They used a lot of deepening 1356 00:56:52,469 --> 00:56:55,572 and a lot of cheesy synthy processing on that. 1357 00:56:57,373 --> 00:56:58,441 You rolling? 1358 00:56:58,441 --> 00:57:00,577 -Yes. -Okay. 1359 00:57:00,577 --> 00:57:03,947 Please put down your weapon. You have 20 seconds to comply. 1360 00:57:03,947 --> 00:57:06,216 You now have 15 seconds to comply. 1361 00:57:07,650 --> 00:57:10,620 Your civil rights are currently in effect. 1362 00:57:10,620 --> 00:57:12,322 If you cannot afford an attorney, 1363 00:57:12,322 --> 00:57:14,991 one will be appointed for you. 1364 00:57:14,991 --> 00:57:16,493 Take the gun out of my mouth. 1365 00:57:16,493 --> 00:57:17,594 Yeah, you shot it on the board here. 1366 00:57:19,395 --> 00:57:21,397 Smoking is prohibited in the hallway. 1367 00:57:22,298 --> 00:57:23,099 Next. 1368 00:57:25,768 --> 00:57:28,905 All the growls were cats. 1369 00:57:28,905 --> 00:57:31,474 Like tigers, and leopards, and things like that. 1370 00:57:32,976 --> 00:57:36,112 My favorite is when Ed turns on Kinney that first time. 1371 00:57:36,112 --> 00:57:38,181 So, I like to call that one the whiplash puma. 1372 00:57:40,250 --> 00:57:43,152 'Cause it's this great cat attack. 1373 00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:22,959 We did our original shoot on location 1374 00:58:22,959 --> 00:58:24,727 at the Renaissance Tower. 1375 00:58:24,727 --> 00:58:26,462 And about a month and a half later, 1376 00:58:26,462 --> 00:58:29,866 I got a call from my agent that said, "They want you back." 1377 00:58:29,866 --> 00:58:31,401 They're gonna do some reshoots. 1378 00:58:31,401 --> 00:58:32,869 Paul Verhoeven was not happy 1379 00:58:32,869 --> 00:58:34,470 with the amount of blood apparently. 1380 00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:36,005 That is absolutely true. 1381 00:58:36,005 --> 00:58:38,408 And they rebuilt the entire boardroom 1382 00:58:38,408 --> 00:58:41,678 on stage one out of the studios at Las Colinas. 1383 00:58:41,678 --> 00:58:44,380 So, I had to get splattered and reloaded with squibs 1384 00:58:44,380 --> 00:58:45,682 over and over again 1385 00:58:45,682 --> 00:58:48,484 for about three 12-hour days in a row. 1386 00:58:48,484 --> 00:58:50,219 Okay, just try it again. 1387 00:58:50,219 --> 00:58:52,922 The effects guys thought this was very funny. 1388 00:58:54,357 --> 00:58:56,426 He was not happy with the effects department. 1389 00:58:56,426 --> 00:58:58,661 They told me that they were putting more squibs on my body 1390 00:58:58,661 --> 00:59:01,164 than anyone in film history at the time. 1391 00:59:01,164 --> 00:59:03,566 And Paul Verhoeven still was not happy. 1392 00:59:03,566 --> 00:59:05,368 And he kept shouting, "I need more blood! 1393 00:59:05,368 --> 00:59:06,903 There's not enough blood!" 1394 00:59:06,903 --> 00:59:09,405 The way I expressed the violence in some ways 1395 00:59:09,405 --> 00:59:11,541 was over the top. Blood. Action. 1396 00:59:11,541 --> 00:59:14,010 And so, finally, apparently, the effects guys, 1397 00:59:14,010 --> 00:59:15,411 this is what they told me, 1398 00:59:15,411 --> 00:59:17,280 they were at lunch over in the commissary 1399 00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:18,715 in between takes, 1400 00:59:18,715 --> 00:59:20,750 and they were serving spaghetti squash. 1401 00:59:20,750 --> 00:59:23,720 They slid that baggie of spaghetti squash 1402 00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,288 underneath the suit, and loaded it up 1403 00:59:25,288 --> 00:59:26,389 with more squibs. 1404 00:59:26,389 --> 00:59:27,423 And fire! 1405 00:59:31,227 --> 00:59:32,562 Completely over the top. 1406 00:59:32,562 --> 00:59:36,299 Blood all over the screen. 1407 00:59:36,299 --> 00:59:37,634 Fountains of blood 1408 00:59:37,634 --> 00:59:42,038 that were sprouting out of his body. 1409 00:59:42,038 --> 00:59:44,941 You know, emptying magazines on him, you know, bazookas. 1410 00:59:46,142 --> 00:59:48,111 It just really did my man in. 1411 00:59:48,111 --> 00:59:50,947 And fire the weapons at him now! 1412 00:59:53,616 --> 00:59:55,585 I guarantee you, it was very painful. 1413 00:59:55,585 --> 00:59:57,120 The squibs are like firecrackers, 1414 00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,889 and they have a metal backing. 1415 00:59:59,889 --> 01:00:01,658 And if they get away from your body, 1416 01:00:01,658 --> 01:00:03,459 they kick when they go off. 1417 01:00:03,459 --> 01:00:06,963 And the last squib that went off of the last day of shooting 1418 01:00:06,963 --> 01:00:08,464 hit me right in the left nut. 1419 01:00:10,066 --> 01:00:12,301 So, I'll take that. 1420 01:00:12,301 --> 01:00:13,836 So, I had to lay there. 1421 01:00:13,836 --> 01:00:17,440 And Mr. Verhoeven just let that camera roll, and roll, 1422 01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,442 and roll for, like, ten seconds. 1423 01:00:19,442 --> 01:00:20,510 Okay. 1424 01:00:22,145 --> 01:00:24,580 We ran up, and, "Kevin, are you okay?" 1425 01:00:24,580 --> 01:00:26,683 No, you hit me in the balls. 1426 01:00:26,683 --> 01:00:30,920 He just looked up, and went, "Fuck off. 1427 01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:32,855 Get away from me." 1428 01:00:34,357 --> 01:00:37,093 I don't believe at this point that anyone has taken 1429 01:00:37,093 --> 01:00:39,762 more hits at one time than Kevin took in that shot. 1430 01:00:41,130 --> 01:00:43,433 There was actually a wind-down 1431 01:00:43,433 --> 01:00:46,736 that was recorded by Ben Burtt for the Star Wars films. 1432 01:00:48,771 --> 01:00:52,041 It's actually a 1929 Traveler biplane. 1433 01:00:52,041 --> 01:00:54,877 It can be heard when ED-209 dies 1434 01:00:54,877 --> 01:00:56,813 after blowing away Kinney. 1435 01:01:03,553 --> 01:01:05,188 Smoke, fall down, 1436 01:01:05,188 --> 01:01:07,356 three stooges-like people looking. 1437 01:01:07,356 --> 01:01:08,991 That was, of course, horrifying. 1438 01:01:08,991 --> 01:01:12,361 But then the first line after that basically is... 1439 01:01:14,664 --> 01:01:16,165 But the guy was gone, you know? 1440 01:01:16,165 --> 01:01:18,067 There was nothing left of the guy. 1441 01:01:18,067 --> 01:01:22,371 And people scampering, running, cringing. 1442 01:01:22,371 --> 01:01:24,507 And Dan Herlihy, he never moved. 1443 01:01:24,507 --> 01:01:27,677 Dan O'Herlihy, he looked great, never moving. 1444 01:01:27,677 --> 01:01:29,078 O'Herlihy just says... 1445 01:01:29,078 --> 01:01:31,914 Dick, I'm very disappointed. 1446 01:01:31,914 --> 01:01:33,683 That's my favorite line in the movie. 1447 01:01:33,683 --> 01:01:36,419 "Dick, I'm very disappointed." 1448 01:01:37,854 --> 01:01:39,355 Puts me down, man. 1449 01:01:40,356 --> 01:01:41,491 I'm sure it's only a glitch. 1450 01:01:41,491 --> 01:01:43,159 A temporary setback. 1451 01:01:43,159 --> 01:01:44,727 You call this a glitch? 1452 01:01:46,195 --> 01:01:48,731 The corporate's rule, period. 1453 01:01:48,731 --> 01:01:50,533 Your temporary setback could cost us 1454 01:01:50,533 --> 01:01:52,735 50 million dollars in interest payments alone. 1455 01:01:52,735 --> 01:01:54,036 And it shows to what length 1456 01:01:54,036 --> 01:01:56,839 they will go to keep that position. 1457 01:01:56,839 --> 01:01:58,508 Perhaps you're aware of the RoboCop program 1458 01:01:58,508 --> 01:02:00,376 developed by myself at Security Concepts 1459 01:02:00,376 --> 01:02:02,445 as a contingency against just this sort of thing? 1460 01:02:02,445 --> 01:02:04,280 Thank you for your concern, Mr. Morton. 1461 01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:09,085 I just look for all of the ways that assured me 1462 01:02:09,085 --> 01:02:11,020 that his way was the correct way. 1463 01:02:11,020 --> 01:02:13,589 -It's something we can-- -Now, wait a minute. Dick! 1464 01:02:13,589 --> 01:02:16,425 I looked at this as a cautionary tale. 1465 01:02:16,425 --> 01:02:18,427 Tell me about your plan, Mr. Morton. 1466 01:02:18,427 --> 01:02:20,897 To see that these people who'd gone for the greed 1467 01:02:20,897 --> 01:02:23,633 and how things turned out so badly for them. 1468 01:02:23,633 --> 01:02:26,269 I'm confident we can go to prototype within 90 days. 1469 01:02:26,269 --> 01:02:28,104 You know, karma, for lack of a better word. 1470 01:02:32,809 --> 01:02:36,145 ED-209 is my baby. Bullshit him. 1471 01:02:36,145 --> 01:02:37,947 ED-209 is here. 1472 01:02:48,591 --> 01:02:50,259 That wasn't on. 1473 01:02:52,428 --> 01:02:54,163 All righty. There we go. 1474 01:02:54,163 --> 01:02:56,599 We're good. All right. So, take it from the top. 1475 01:02:56,599 --> 01:02:58,434 -Start again. -Oh, my Lord. 1476 01:02:58,434 --> 01:02:59,769 -We had fun. -How time flies. 1477 01:02:59,769 --> 01:03:01,470 Holy shit. 1478 01:03:02,839 --> 01:03:03,940 I like it. 1479 01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:08,540 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 114650

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