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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:26,530 --> 00:00:30,720 I'd come to this project with many of the same assumptions that you have - 2 00:00:30,755 --> 00:00:36,245 concerning the Jersey double murders and the guilt of Jim Suerd. 3 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,050 His characterization is a troubled young man, responsible for a spree of horrific, 4 00:00:40,085 --> 00:00:46,372 ritualistic homicides in the Pine Barrens. The question in my mind was why? 5 00:00:46,407 --> 00:00:52,638 Why would a man commit such crimes? After reviewing hours of archived footage 6 00:00:52,673 --> 00:00:59,386 generated by Steven Avkast and Locus Wheeler, the hosts of Fact or Fiction, 7 00:00:59,421 --> 00:01:06,100 I've been forced to change my perspective. the question now for me is what? 8 00:01:06,135 --> 00:01:11,900 What really happened that night and is Jim Suerd truly responsible? 9 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,920 Ironically, in the course of this project, 10 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,860 Jim Suerd has died in prison under mysterious causes. 11 00:01:19,460 --> 00:01:23,760 His death will forever shroud the reconciliation of this case. 12 00:01:25,740 --> 00:01:31,160 As they said on fact or fiction, you decide. 13 00:01:52,620 --> 00:01:55,820 Nine-one-one, what is your emergency? 14 00:01:55,855 --> 00:01:57,260 My name is Jim Stewart Suerd. 15 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,145 I just hitchhiked here 16 00:01:59,180 --> 00:02:02,500 from from the middle of pine barrens and I can't seem to get - 17 00:02:02,509 --> 00:02:05,600 I can't seem to find the people that I was in the Pine Barrens with - 18 00:02:05,635 --> 00:02:07,620 And I was camping with them last night doing a project 19 00:02:07,655 --> 00:02:09,060 Are you lost? 20 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:14,080 I'm not lost. I'm just trying - I can't find the people who drove me here and - 21 00:02:15,820 --> 00:02:19,250 I looked around for him and I went back to the site where we had parked and they're 22 00:02:19,285 --> 00:02:22,680 not at the van and they're nowhere to be found like I don't know where they are. 23 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:24,766 Their vehicle is still there? 24 00:02:24,801 --> 00:02:26,540 The vehicle's still there and I had to 25 00:02:26,575 --> 00:02:28,605 hitchhike to this payphone. 26 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:31,120 How far are you from the vehicle right now? 27 00:02:32,420 --> 00:02:36,580 I'm about five five, somewhere you know five-ten miles from it I don't know. 28 00:02:36,940 --> 00:02:39,125 Okay, Jim. We'll send someone out. 29 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,760 Yeah it would be a good idea I got a really bad feeling about it. 30 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:48,180 You might want to send somebody out quickly ever bad feeling... 31 00:02:55,030 --> 00:02:58,990 WBRK time it is five o'clock. It's time for that afternoon drive that you love so much. 32 00:02:59,025 --> 00:03:03,460 Hey, guess who made missing reports? It's those hosts from Fact or Fiction. 33 00:03:03,740 --> 00:03:09,400 Missing. Ha. Bob, you know those guys gonna be showing up sometime in the next day saying, "Surprise did you miss us?" 34 00:03:09,660 --> 00:03:12,660 Let's go to the phones and we'll ask you. Do you miss them? 35 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,600 We have found bodies. At this time we don't know who they are, 36 00:03:21,820 --> 00:03:24,380 or how many we have found. 37 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,020 We cannot assume at this time that it is 38 00:03:28,055 --> 00:03:29,620 the Fact or Fiction crew. 39 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,905 At this time, we have arrested Jim Suerd 40 00:03:39,940 --> 00:03:43,420 for the murders of Rein Clackin and Locus Wheeler. 41 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:45,965 Behind me is a house where Jim Suerd 42 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,100 resided until his arrest nearly seven months ago. 43 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:55,800 Inside, amongst his dirty laundry, blood evidence was found, linking him to the grisly Fact or Fiction murders. 44 00:03:56,180 --> 00:04:01,380 Today, Jim's own life hangs in the balance as jurors decide his fate. 45 00:04:11,740 --> 00:04:14,560 I had heard of the Factor or Fiction murders. 46 00:04:14,595 --> 00:04:17,380 They were big news for a period of one year, 47 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,800 and then like so many things in today's fast-paced world, 48 00:04:21,180 --> 00:04:23,200 were forgotten. 49 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:29,080 I was intrigued by how this case, this story, was so well documented. 50 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,080 How, in spite of the remote location of the murders, 51 00:04:32,115 --> 00:04:34,600 and the rural nature of the people prosecuting Jim, 52 00:04:34,780 --> 00:04:37,520 that these were murders of a high tech age. 53 00:04:38,060 --> 00:04:42,980 I was intrigued by the fact that the four individuals were indeed children of a digital age. 54 00:04:43,940 --> 00:04:49,460 Mostly though, I wondered why the man named Jim Suerd would commit such horrendous acts of violence. 55 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:20,960 This is Johnny, 56 00:05:20,995 --> 00:05:22,000 and Locus 57 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,300 and we are live in the Pine Barrens where tonight 58 00:05:24,310 --> 00:05:31,930 we are doing a first-ever, internet broadcast, cable, ham radio - broadcast 59 00:05:31,965 --> 00:05:34,185 all live, all real 60 00:05:34,220 --> 00:05:37,715 and we are doing it with the help of a psychic and a sound man. 61 00:05:37,750 --> 00:05:42,460 who has the ability to record sounds from other worlds, otherworldly sounds. 62 00:05:42,980 --> 00:05:47,420 Yeah, that's right, Steven. We're here in the Pine Barrens southern New Jersey 63 00:05:47,660 --> 00:05:51,565 live and direct, coming right at you in your living room, first-ever web 64 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:57,280 simulcast cable, cast and everybody is on the edge of their seat and I know you are, 65 00:05:57,315 --> 00:06:00,820 because I am and I'm sure Steven is too. 66 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,200 A little later we're gonna be showing you the campsite, 67 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,060 but right now we're gonna do a little recapping, 68 00:06:06,340 --> 00:06:09,620 and you're gonna see some tape of the history of the legend - 69 00:06:09,860 --> 00:06:12,900 of the Pine Barrens and the Jersey Devil. 70 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:21,025 They actually lived their show, Fact or Fiction. 71 00:06:21,060 --> 00:06:24,420 Here's this real eerie circumstances that come the play 72 00:06:24,900 --> 00:06:26,440 And they were actually the victims of it. 73 00:06:26,740 --> 00:06:28,860 He had the opportunity. 74 00:06:29,140 --> 00:06:32,565 It appears as if he had the motive. 75 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:37,480 He did lure those people up there in a in a veil of secrecy. 76 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,260 I would say yeah he fits the profile. 77 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,985 Who was Jim Suerd? 78 00:06:45,020 --> 00:06:47,910 The answer proved more difficult than I imagined. 79 00:06:47,945 --> 00:06:50,800 His mother had died four months before the murders, 80 00:06:50,835 --> 00:06:54,295 His father, five years before. 81 00:06:54,330 --> 00:06:58,920 The only two people that I was able to speak with that knew him personally were his 82 00:06:58,955 --> 00:07:06,650 landlady, Joyce Dryer and a childhood psychologist named Dr. Dale Orstall. 83 00:07:09,590 --> 00:07:15,770 I was sort of a father figure to him, I feel. Sort of a surrogate father, if you will. 84 00:07:15,805 --> 00:07:20,340 He didn't talk a whole lot about his family life 85 00:07:20,375 --> 00:07:24,300 but one of the things I know 86 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:30,340 is that his father left them when he was very young, ran off with another woman. 87 00:07:32,180 --> 00:07:37,920 He had few friends if any. Very reclusive. 88 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,780 I remember him being quite a loner. 89 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:46,280 He seemed to stay in his room quite a bit when he wasn't at work. 90 00:07:47,220 --> 00:07:54,740 And the computer seemed to be a highlight in his in his life. 91 00:07:55,260 --> 00:07:57,525 With the advent of the Internet, 92 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,940 of course he got into that years after I I was seeing him. 93 00:08:02,740 --> 00:08:06,500 It wasn't even available I don't think at the time 94 00:08:08,180 --> 00:08:14,640 It opened up a whole new world for a guy like Jim. 95 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:21,125 Often he would be on the internet with people 96 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:27,840 and as we know the horrible situation that has come up because of the internet fiasco, 97 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,400 with him being blamed for these murders. 98 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:37,680 The internet was the first interests that would attach him to the Fact or Fiction television show. 99 00:08:37,715 --> 00:08:40,100 The second interest was a bit more obscure. 100 00:08:40,560 --> 00:08:44,005 Jim had this fascination for magic. 101 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,200 I mean a true fascination - I mean he like I told you he was very reclusive 102 00:08:47,235 --> 00:08:51,120 so I believe he must have spent countless hours in his room alone 103 00:08:51,130 --> 00:08:53,165 working on tricks. 104 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,475 And he used to come in and start the sessions and he had to 105 00:08:56,510 --> 00:09:03,650 show me a new trick and often was a simple card trick but very quickly he 106 00:09:03,685 --> 00:09:07,320 built skills and became very proficient in magic. 107 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,920 The internet and magic - both interests generally considered harmless. 108 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,480 Both interests that could have a sinister edge to them. 109 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:22,580 Either way, it was a combination that virtually sealed his fate in meeting Steven Avkast and Locus Wheeler, 110 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,840 The hosts of Fact or Fiction. 111 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,320 Welcome to Fact or Fiction. 112 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,840 Welcome to Fact or Fiction. Yes we are rolling. We are on we are ready to go. 113 00:09:39,875 --> 00:09:43,320 Locus you joker, you knew it all along that we were on. 114 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,960 Yeah welcome to our new show, well actually it's not a new show, it's got a new name. 115 00:09:46,970 --> 00:09:49,850 Thanks to everybody out there who helped us come up with this great name, 116 00:09:49,885 --> 00:09:51,062 Fact or Fiction 117 00:09:51,097 --> 00:09:52,240 That's right. 118 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,820 Fact or Fiction was one of those fluke successes that no television producer would ever predict. 119 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,560 Short on production value, talent and execution, 120 00:10:01,820 --> 00:10:07,640 It maintained a following of youth probably more amused by its Kitsch value than anything else. 121 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,760 Steven Avkast, the creator of Fact or Fiction is remembered. 122 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:20,150 Steven... I always got bad bad vibes about Steven, you know he always came in here with this you 123 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,880 know attitude that you know he always doing is making a little cable show. 124 00:10:24,915 --> 00:10:29,600 I mean, nobody ever goes anywhere with this stuff. But he had this idea 125 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,325 he was destined for stardom and was gonna be rich, you know 126 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,425 millions of dollars and you know he basically had that that big you know 127 00:10:36,460 --> 00:10:40,455 director stereotype that you think of you, know, you think of the big 128 00:10:40,490 --> 00:10:44,680 Hollywood directors and I mean he really just had to put it in perspective. 129 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:51,080 Steven's longtime friend, Locus Wheeler, was the co-host of the show. 130 00:10:51,115 --> 00:10:52,640 Their pairing was like oil and water. 131 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,525 Locus, I think, 132 00:10:55,560 --> 00:11:01,100 he and Steven were having problems getting along sometimes but I think I I think 133 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,320 Locus, he knew what he was doing. I mean with this he knew it was just a little 134 00:11:05,355 --> 00:11:08,280 cable show and I think he was just in it for the fun. 135 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:14,460 Somehow, Steven, a misguided egomaniac and Locus, a sardonic slacker, 136 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:18,500 managed to keep turning out shows for the better part of 1995. 137 00:11:18,535 --> 00:11:20,500 The ideas were slim. 138 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:24,360 However, they did latch onto one idea that intrigued many. 139 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:29,720 We're also doing something new. We are on IRC tonight. and we have joined... IRC is in the house. 140 00:11:30,020 --> 00:11:32,540 You can say that, I'm saying it's swingin' 141 00:11:32,780 --> 00:11:34,265 Well I'll have to say one idea they came up with, 142 00:11:34,300 --> 00:11:39,640 it was actually - well at first it was pretty cool but it got to be pretty freaky too... 143 00:11:39,675 --> 00:11:43,172 They came up with this idea, you know how most TV shows will have like call ins. 144 00:11:43,207 --> 00:11:46,670 where people call in the phone and talk - well, they tie this into the internet 145 00:11:46,705 --> 00:11:50,715 through IRC chat, except, so people could like, you know 146 00:11:50,750 --> 00:11:55,840 ask questions on the show - but they rigged up some sort of text-to-speech converter so 147 00:11:55,875 --> 00:11:59,680 like whatever they typed in was actually set on the show like it was a voice. 148 00:12:00,100 --> 00:12:05,460 It was this idea that provided the impetus for what would ironically give Steven the fame he so craved. 149 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:10,880 By the fall of 1995, the one joke television show was losing popularity. 150 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,280 By November, the show was about to self-destruct. 151 00:12:15,020 --> 00:12:16,360 Everybody had this sense. 152 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:21,560 Once again, Steven in his delinquency and procrastination has made it 153 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:27,680 so we are too late to find the snow angel. 154 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,080 At this desperate time, Steven turned to viewer suggestions, 155 00:12:33,115 --> 00:12:35,680 one of which would take hold in his mind. 156 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:41,940 It provided the seedling with which Steven hoped to rebuild the show's popularity. 157 00:12:41,975 --> 00:12:47,320 you know we had a call we have an IRC come in and it's real eerie voice I mean 158 00:12:47,355 --> 00:12:51,490 it drove me nuts. I almost couldn't stand this after a while because just 159 00:12:51,525 --> 00:12:56,882 hearing this voice like "hello, why don't you do a piece on..." 160 00:12:56,917 --> 00:13:02,240 Why don't you do a show about the Jersey Devil? 161 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:08,000 Steven's idea was to do a first-ever live broadcast of Fact or Fiction. 162 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,360 It would be broadcast simultaneously to cable television and the Internet. 163 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,640 The promotion's began immediately. 164 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,640 And with ratings dropping in an ever-increasing speed, 165 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,200 The concept was implemented immediately. 166 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:28,360 This Jersey Devil cablecast, I knew it wasn't gonna work. I mean these guys couldn't even make a halfway decent TV Show. 167 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,240 Suddenly they want to jump into doing you know big time live from the Pine Barrens 168 00:13:33,275 --> 00:13:37,445 and have radio and Internet and this and that and, 169 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,860 I knew it was gonna be fiasco. I didn't really think was gonna end up like it did but - 170 00:13:41,895 --> 00:13:43,600 I knew it wasn't gonna look pretty. 171 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,660 Since the show was going to air from a remote location, 172 00:13:47,695 --> 00:13:50,440 Steven hastily looked for people who help. 173 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,280 A former employer of his, Sam woods, was approached. 174 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:59,880 This is the room of Sam woods. I used to cut his grass. 175 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,000 He's a filmmaker 176 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,320 and he used to do soap operas and 177 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:11,240 we're gonna ask him if he wants to direct the show... 178 00:14:11,980 --> 00:14:17,260 Because I think he'd be perfect and he's a name and that would that good for us. 179 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,325 So I've had to talk to Locus and try to 180 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,860 convince him about but he's going for it... and here they come so, I'm going to turn it down. 181 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:26,760 Steven... that's right. 182 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:33,080 And I'm Locus. Nice to meet you. 183 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:38,560 Well they say that up to up to 50,000 people could possibly be watching at any time, 184 00:14:38,595 --> 00:14:40,360 but they don't know exactly how many but 185 00:14:40,395 --> 00:14:42,880 but we're selling lots of t-shirts. 186 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:45,485 So that's a good sign I think. 187 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,920 Anyway we have this idea we want to taking this like direction 188 00:14:49,220 --> 00:14:52,485 where it's gonna become much bigger and it'll be really cool if you 189 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,120 could you know help us out; if you could direct the show. I know that you used to 190 00:14:56,155 --> 00:14:57,720 direct soap operas. 191 00:14:57,980 --> 00:14:59,460 Network soaps. 192 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:08,280 This union of cable access show and former Network soap director never made sense to anyone. 193 00:15:08,740 --> 00:15:13,100 Though it was later discovered that Steven was paying Sam out of his own pocket 194 00:15:13,380 --> 00:15:16,280 in an act of desperation to save Fact or Fiction. 195 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:26,920 We're in business yeah... yeah this is cool. 196 00:15:30,500 --> 00:15:36,055 Sam Woods, a once successful television soap director 197 00:15:36,090 --> 00:15:39,160 became one of the people I would question about these events. 198 00:15:39,380 --> 00:15:41,625 In stark contrast to his work, 199 00:15:41,660 --> 00:15:45,560 meeting him was another road sign on my travel into a surreal world. 200 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,285 Well, this devil hunt thing never appealed to me. 201 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,000 We're getting into a pretty flaky area there, you know? 202 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:57,555 I think the kids were they were asking for it with that one. 203 00:15:57,590 --> 00:16:02,180 Not the kind of not the kind of work I do, you know what I mean? 204 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:03,285 Not what I do. 205 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,440 For the internet end, Jay McDowell was enlisted. 206 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:11,640 Well, they came to me with a seedling idea they said you know 207 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,200 we want it we want to use some of this technology you've been using for teleconferencing 208 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:20,280 for video conferencing and we want to, you know, we want to turn this into a broadcasting. 209 00:16:20,315 --> 00:16:24,097 They had heard some talk about it they had seen some sites that were trying to 210 00:16:24,132 --> 00:16:27,880 do some stuff like that, so they wanted something like that they wanted to do it 211 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:33,280 a live a live thing rather than like, you know, streaming canned video. 212 00:16:33,900 --> 00:16:36,840 They wanted to actually broadcast and compress it all live. 213 00:16:36,980 --> 00:16:43,020 So they basically just came to me with that seedling of an idea and I had to figure out, you know, 214 00:16:43,055 --> 00:16:47,260 the technical aspects of how to make it happen, and make it real and 215 00:16:47,540 --> 00:16:51,160 you know, kind of the packaging for it what it was really gonna be in the final product. 216 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,940 Steven and Locus decided that they needed additional help at the actual location. 217 00:16:56,140 --> 00:16:59,720 They searched vaguely for a sound man and a guide 218 00:16:59,755 --> 00:17:03,480 and on December 7, 1995, worlds collided. 219 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:09,200 Okay, we're at Rein's and we've come today to meet him in hopes that he'll be able to help us 220 00:17:09,235 --> 00:17:13,755 out on our trip to the Pine Barrens. Basically Rein is an audio whiz and 221 00:17:13,790 --> 00:17:19,075 supposeBly he's been able to document - supposeDly he's been able to document 222 00:17:19,110 --> 00:17:24,360 you know paranormal occurrences on tape. So that's what we're gonna see today. 223 00:17:24,395 --> 00:17:28,520 We're also going to be meeting Jim, who does some psychic things 224 00:17:28,780 --> 00:17:32,540 And we'll see, you know. Hopefully these guys will fit the bill and we'll be able to go down to 225 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,520 the Pine Barrens with them, you know. Could use the extra help. 226 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,300 Is that good? yeah you got enough? 227 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,740 I hope this damn mic works. You ready? okay. 228 00:17:47,140 --> 00:17:50,000 Remember, play it cool. Play it cool. 229 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,120 is this gonna blow us this airplane sound? 230 00:17:53,155 --> 00:17:54,405 Come one. 231 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,960 Steven, this is Rein. 232 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,800 right yeah I'm, I'm Locus. Locus? 233 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,605 So you just taped us? 234 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,920 Yeah, I guess so accidentally. 235 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,080 So do you have a surveillance setup? 236 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:24,840 Well, for the time being I did. This used to be a sound studio. 237 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,160 I think maybe Jim has arrived now. 238 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:36,960 hey man, you seem to have pre-deterrmined that we met. 239 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,640 hold on hey hey yeah Jim what's up? 240 00:18:40,675 --> 00:18:42,125 how are you? 241 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:42,940 Doing pretty good. 242 00:18:43,100 --> 00:18:43,660 Lotus. 243 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,471 um... Locus. 244 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,720 How are you? I'm Jim. 245 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:57,600 It was inevitable that this combination of the internet, a television show about paranormal happenings, 246 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:02,960 and similar ages, would draw Jim Suerd to Fact or Fiction. 247 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:11,420 so just to give some, a little background, you know basically we're going to be doing this 248 00:19:11,455 --> 00:19:17,420 webcast, cablecast in the in search of the Jersey Devil, the Leeds devil, 249 00:19:17,429 --> 00:19:22,424 down in the Pine Barrens. And basically why we've gotten you guys together here is 250 00:19:22,459 --> 00:19:27,419 because you have skills regarding audio and paranormal activity so we're hoping 251 00:19:27,420 --> 00:19:31,440 that you can help us in that way, and you have these psychic abilities. 252 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:37,560 Psychic abilities, I feel that I can I can really help out. I understand what you're trying to do and 253 00:19:37,595 --> 00:19:39,580 I really think that I can help out. 254 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,760 You can help us find help us find a location. 255 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:44,840 you can help us tap into whatever we need. 256 00:19:44,875 --> 00:19:46,840 I can pinpoint that location. 257 00:19:48,340 --> 00:19:54,560 Jim came to me one day and told me how excited he was that he had met these 258 00:19:54,595 --> 00:20:00,840 people over the Internet. It was some show, Fact or Fiction, 259 00:20:01,260 --> 00:20:05,150 and he was to be their guide in the Pine Barrens 260 00:20:05,185 --> 00:20:09,005 and what really amazed me, I just didn't think 261 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:14,779 he knew or had any knowledge of the Pine Barrens to be able to even be a guide. 262 00:20:14,814 --> 00:20:18,840 But he seemed so excited about it. 263 00:20:18,875 --> 00:20:21,365 This... is this good? 264 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,400 Do you want to hold them up or do you 265 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,240 Just like this. 266 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,460 Six Spade. 267 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:37,400 Seven Spade. 268 00:20:39,020 --> 00:20:40,720 Four Spade. 269 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:45,840 Five Spade 270 00:20:46,700 --> 00:20:47,760 Eight Club. 271 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:49,880 Eight Diamond. 272 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:13,740 I saw him probably about two or three weeks before the incident. 273 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,940 I ran into him at a shopping mall. 274 00:21:19,140 --> 00:21:21,820 And he was very excited about his life. 275 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,240 He said he was studying acting. 276 00:21:25,660 --> 00:21:29,900 His magic was coming together. People were appreciating it. 277 00:21:29,919 --> 00:21:34,899 combined with the acting, I guess he did a few gigs on a small level but it was 278 00:21:34,934 --> 00:21:37,200 it was going very very well. 279 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,480 Give him more ashes. Give him more ashes. 280 00:21:48,515 --> 00:21:50,960 There's something on his arm. 281 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,680 What does this mean? 282 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,160 I don't know 283 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,120 Back off. Back off. Are you recording this? 284 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,320 Was Jim psychic? 285 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,280 It was not likely. 286 00:22:16,740 --> 00:22:17,940 The card demonstration, 287 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,760 and the supposed psychic fit, in which numbers appeared on his arm, 288 00:22:21,795 --> 00:22:23,780 were nothing more than simple tricks. 289 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:26,100 Known to any amateur magician. 290 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:32,780 To Steven and Locus, Rein Clackin and Jim Suerd were perfect for Fact or Fiction. 291 00:22:33,180 --> 00:22:37,240 Youthful, eager and strange. 292 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:56,000 On December 15th 1995, Steve Avkast, Lous Wheeler, Rein Clackin and Jim Suerd 293 00:22:56,300 --> 00:23:00,200 headed for the Pine Barrens of New Jersey to do a live broadcast 294 00:23:00,235 --> 00:23:02,420 in search of the Jersey Devil. 295 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,220 Jim Suerd would be the only one to return. 296 00:23:09,740 --> 00:23:12,320 nine-one-one what is your emergency? 297 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:18,320 My name is Jim Suerd and I just hitchhiked here from the middle of Pine Barrens. 298 00:23:18,620 --> 00:23:23,140 and I can't seem to get - I can't seem to find the people that I was in the Pine Barrens with 299 00:23:23,500 --> 00:23:24,340 with an us camping with him last night doing a project. 300 00:23:24,740 --> 00:23:25,660 Are you lost? 301 00:23:25,900 --> 00:23:30,560 I'm not I'm not lost I'm just trying to I can't find the people who drove me here. 302 00:23:30,595 --> 00:23:34,662 and you know I looked around for them and I went back to the site where we 303 00:23:34,697 --> 00:23:38,730 had parked and they're not at the van and they're nowhere to be found like I 304 00:23:38,765 --> 00:23:39,700 don't know where they are. 305 00:23:40,260 --> 00:23:41,700 Their vehicle is still there? 306 00:23:41,735 --> 00:23:43,105 The vehicle is still there. 307 00:23:43,140 --> 00:23:45,120 and I had to hitchhike to this payphone. 308 00:23:45,380 --> 00:23:48,180 How far are you from the vehicle right now? 309 00:23:48,580 --> 00:23:54,400 I'm about five five, somewhere, you know - five ten miles from it. I don't know. 310 00:23:54,420 --> 00:23:56,040 Okay Jim, we'll send someone out. 311 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:04,300 After mr. Suerd made the call, we went to the area that he specified and did a preliminary look around, 312 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,500 under a missing-persons investigation. 313 00:24:08,820 --> 00:24:14,520 I mean I just figured that was one of the little stints to do just to try to get that extra sensationalism. 314 00:24:14,555 --> 00:24:17,160 so I I didn't think anything of it at first. 315 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,700 You know I kind of expected them to try something like that. 316 00:24:21,060 --> 00:24:24,420 We have a 187. Repeat, we have a 187. 317 00:24:25,020 --> 00:24:27,840 This isn't a missing person's report anymore. 318 00:24:28,740 --> 00:24:29,500 912? 319 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,640 We're clear. Do you need emergency support? 320 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,500 No. This guy's definitely DOA. 321 00:24:39,260 --> 00:24:44,340 One body we found approximately 2.5 miles from the campsite. 322 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,420 The other body, we found approximately three miles from the campsite. 323 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,500 The body of Steven Avkast was never found. 324 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:59,880 Large amounts of blood in the snow and a hat were all that remained of this third victim. 325 00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:05,160 In any murder investigation, anybody associated with the victims is a suspect. 326 00:25:05,179 --> 00:25:10,869 our job is to eliminate suspects based on the evidence that we sift through and 327 00:25:10,904 --> 00:25:16,559 that we gather, and as we sifted through and gathered this evidence there was 328 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:21,620 only one suspect left at the end and that was mr. Jim Suerd. 329 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,620 Who led everybody to the site? 330 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:24,580 I did. 331 00:25:24,900 --> 00:25:28,100 Did anybody else know where you were going to set up and camp? 332 00:25:28,380 --> 00:25:32,280 Well, I was asked to uh, to find a place to camp. 333 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:39,440 And I thought that I was doing a good job at it and Rein continued to provoke me and uh 334 00:25:39,475 --> 00:25:43,840 and then give me a hard time about my ability to locate the place 335 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:50,460 that we would camp and ultimately just good led to an argument and I ran away from the group. 336 00:25:50,495 --> 00:25:52,240 Did you hit him first? 337 00:25:53,220 --> 00:25:55,740 I don't know, I might have pushed him. 338 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,100 Sometimes I can't remember if I, you know. 339 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:07,180 I ran away from group and I found the spot I thought would be good to locate the Jersey Devil. 340 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,640 After we got the permission from the state of Pennsylvania to search 341 00:26:12,650 --> 00:26:17,930 Mr. Suerd's residence, we went to his residence and we did conduct a search 342 00:26:17,965 --> 00:26:23,210 for anything that we felt would help us in this case and we did find the 343 00:26:23,245 --> 00:26:25,540 garments that mr. Suerd was wearing that night, 344 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,445 with the blood of the three victims on it. 345 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,920 Interestingly, the garments that mr. Suerd was wearing were merely 346 00:26:32,060 --> 00:26:36,020 lying right on his bedroom floor, along with the other dirty laundry that was there. 347 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:46,200 Even as Jim was arrested, the evidence continued to mount against him. 348 00:26:47,580 --> 00:26:53,480 We could tell that the nature of the blows with the weapons that were used 349 00:26:53,515 --> 00:26:59,720 were consistent with the size and build of the accused. 350 00:27:00,060 --> 00:27:08,400 In this case it was very clear that the attacker was using both hands with two weapons and was ambidextrous. 351 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,540 And the suspect in this case is ambidextrous, which is quite rare. 352 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:18,100 He was the only survivor in the place where nobody else was. 353 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,760 It doesn't look that good for him. 354 00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:23,780 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 355 00:27:24,020 --> 00:27:29,140 we will show that on December 15th 1995, Jim Suerd maliciously and with premeditation 356 00:27:29,175 --> 00:27:32,100 killed Rein Clackin and Locus Wheeler. 357 00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:36,420 We will show, without doubt, how he planned this well in advance of that day. 358 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:43,580 We will show, with video shot by the deceased, that Jim Suerd was, and is, a devious and cunning person. 359 00:27:43,615 --> 00:27:47,725 using the guise of psychic to perpetrate these horrible acts. 360 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,600 The proceedings that summer turned out to be one of the greatest spectacles of Baroake County history. 361 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,005 The trial attracted a strange assemblage of cult followers, 362 00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:00,320 ritual homicide fanatics and others seeking to satisfy their morbid curiosity. 363 00:28:00,780 --> 00:28:04,300 Eventually, it became a matter of trying to keep the tabloid at bay. 364 00:28:04,740 --> 00:28:06,485 An effort which was not entirely successful. 365 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:13,480 When the court case came up, the media frenzy was hysterical. 366 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,960 I felt like they were you -- somebody was watching me like every minute. 367 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,960 They were talking to everybody, everybody who had the slightest thing to do with the show. 368 00:28:24,340 --> 00:28:28,920 Who knows, they probably talked to every single viewer that said they watched the show. 369 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:35,850 Reporters day in and day out and police here just taking everything they could; 370 00:28:35,885 --> 00:28:41,845 anything it was every videotape every prop, and I mean it was ridiculous. 371 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,460 I don't know what they were looking for, all they were getting was a bunch of bad television. 372 00:28:48,660 --> 00:28:54,100 In an election year, what the prosecution was looking for was an open and shut case. 373 00:28:54,340 --> 00:28:59,185 And in the state of New Jersey versus Jim Suerd, they found it. 374 00:28:59,220 --> 00:29:03,810 Not content to leave any stone unturned they decided to utilize the very video that 375 00:29:03,845 --> 00:29:06,860 Steven Avkast and Locus Wheeler had shot. 376 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:13,980 The man, who would later by the press come to be known as the killer cutter, was hired to go through this video. 377 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,390 and put together an incriminating image of Jim Suerd. 378 00:29:19,425 --> 00:29:24,580 The prosecution contacted me in early January 1996. 379 00:29:24,940 --> 00:29:30,640 They had a pretty good case against him, it seemed to me from what I saw. 380 00:29:30,940 --> 00:29:37,260 They had blood evidence, they'd found the blood and you know this was the only guy there. 381 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,180 And he was the only one that knew where it was. 382 00:29:42,540 --> 00:29:45,485 But they wanted to clinch this case. 383 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,505 They didn't want, they really wanted to get him. 384 00:29:47,540 --> 00:29:52,100 They didn't want any there to be any question that he had done it. 385 00:29:53,140 --> 00:29:58,650 So they can't that came to me with all this videotape, like 15 hours of videotape. 386 00:29:58,685 --> 00:30:04,160 And this was video that these guys who did this cable show had shot on location. 387 00:30:04,170 --> 00:30:07,645 I'd never really edited anything like I mean I'd never seen 388 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,820 anything like this before, I mean this was like video from the crime scene. 389 00:30:11,855 --> 00:30:16,590 And normally, you know, I've got, you know, hours and hours of people 390 00:30:16,625 --> 00:30:20,952 talking heads like, you know in some room somewhere badly shot. 391 00:30:20,987 --> 00:30:25,280 This was badly shot but at least it was out in the woods, you know. 392 00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:26,000 It was different. 393 00:30:27,060 --> 00:30:30,400 The prosecution's video was intended to show facts. 394 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,720 Perhaps, not inadvertently, it also created an intimacy with the murdered three, 395 00:30:35,755 --> 00:30:37,300 that the defense was unhappy with. 396 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,220 They protested it, deeming it an unfair swaying towards a guilty verdict. 397 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:51,980 This was not enough reason for the video to be struck down and so it was used. 398 00:30:52,820 --> 00:30:59,860 The first point demonstrated that Jim was indeed leading the group into very remote regions of the Pine Barrens. 399 00:30:59,895 --> 00:31:04,520 Areas where there was no hope for help or aid from the civilized world. 400 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,300 the following represents excerpts 401 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,492 from the first section of the prosecution video. 402 00:31:10,527 --> 00:31:15,460 Over 54 minutes of video showing the for wandering deeper into the pines was shot. 403 00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:22,960 It is estimated that the four walked for more than two hours before Jim finally decided upon the location of their operations. 404 00:31:23,420 --> 00:31:26,220 Hey guys he's starting to go to go. Let's get the stuff together. 405 00:31:28,460 --> 00:31:29,980 so what's the deal Jim? 406 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,280 Something's come right through here. 407 00:31:36,780 --> 00:31:41,340 When Jim finally found the perfect location, it was more than three miles 408 00:31:41,375 --> 00:31:45,920 from their van and the nearest access road. 409 00:31:47,460 --> 00:31:52,700 The second point was to make evident a defendant who had an agenda an agenda. 410 00:31:52,735 --> 00:31:56,480 An agenda warped enough to commit these murders. 411 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:06,660 I've been contacting the supernatural world for the last week. 412 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:13,000 last couple days I've been in contact getting my spiritual self together this journey. 413 00:32:13,035 --> 00:32:18,520 we've we've put put ourselves out on and 414 00:32:18,580 --> 00:32:22,960 we are headed in the right direction, I can assure you. 415 00:32:24,660 --> 00:32:29,960 I can feel it. It's a gut instinct in my body that - 416 00:32:29,995 --> 00:32:32,880 we're going to find the Leeds devil - 417 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:39,340 and we're going to settle this case, once and for all. 418 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:48,820 I feel that know what I'm doing here and for you is perfectly authentic. 419 00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:54,705 I have a feeling inside it's it's a definite feeling - 420 00:32:54,740 --> 00:33:01,220 we are at a place where with the Jersey Devil. We will encounter 421 00:33:01,255 --> 00:33:03,880 The Jersey Devil. 422 00:33:04,460 --> 00:33:05,880 I know we're headed in the right direction. 423 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,820 Repeated phrases such as, "we're going to settle this thing once and for all" 424 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,600 and "I know we're headed in the right direction", 425 00:33:16,635 --> 00:33:19,040 seemed to clearly show Jim's agenda. 426 00:33:19,620 --> 00:33:23,920 It didn't take much to read into these phrases, 427 00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:28,320 and see an individual with a plan that was to be carried out in the desolate Pine Barrens. 428 00:33:31,740 --> 00:33:33,500 As the prosecution's video progressed, 429 00:33:33,535 --> 00:33:35,787 Jim's personality changed... 430 00:33:35,822 --> 00:33:38,040 from a quiet and shy person, 431 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,900 to one that presented the prosecution with an opportunity 432 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,440 to show the violent nature just below the surface. 433 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,160 Look man, 434 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,280 I'll see you back at camp, man! 435 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,280 I don't know what Jim's doing. 436 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,320 I think he's talking about burning something. 437 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,120 An agenda proven, and a potential violent streak proven, 438 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:11,360 the prosecution solidified their first-degree murder case against Suerd with video taken in the barn. 439 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,120 Video in which the original date of the trip appeared on Suerd's arm. 440 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:20,520 The defense attempted to have this also struck from the records, 441 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,280 claiming the video of Suerd to be that of a character he was playing. 442 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:29,040 The prosecution countered by agreeing fully with this assessment of Suerd and the events in the barn. 443 00:34:29,075 --> 00:34:32,600 events that had taken place a full two weeks before the trip; 444 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,280 the best argument for premeditated murder. 445 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,645 The trip began at sunrise. 446 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,805 Steven ran a videocamera much of the time, 447 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,440 documenting what should have been amusing but banal preparation. 448 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,640 Locus, do you wanna do a blurb about? 449 00:35:20,675 --> 00:35:22,640 Yeah, I'll do it. 450 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,600 yeah but I'm getting light... the backlight's killing your face. 451 00:35:26,635 --> 00:35:29,997 What do you mean the backlight's killing my face? 452 00:35:30,032 --> 00:35:33,360 Why don't you adjust it? What do you mean you can't? 453 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:41,280 okay you ready? Okay, we're here at Rein's barn, and we're getting... 454 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,760 Come on, I'm trying to get at this on camera... 455 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:56,400 The trip, guided by Jim, took them into the loneliest of areas on a lonely cold 456 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,325 Here's to you, Steven. 457 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,325 A stop at a gas station was the last obvious landmark, 458 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:06,320 before they moved into the unidentifiable roads of the Pine Barrens. 459 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,640 at a certain point, at Jim's request, 460 00:36:10,675 --> 00:36:12,960 they stopped, parked and started 461 00:36:12,995 --> 00:36:14,005 walking into the woods. 462 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,640 following the psychic visions of Suerd. 463 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,840 He's gonna do it this is part of the show we gotta do it in a place he thinks is right. 464 00:36:23,875 --> 00:36:26,005 Because if we're gonna find something 465 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,160 yeah we could fake it, but I don't go for that. 466 00:36:27,195 --> 00:36:29,765 I think we should go for real 467 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,960 and he's off doing his thing that's why we got him here. 468 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,120 We knew this would be it. We knew, we all talked about. We knew we were going to be way out here. 469 00:36:41,155 --> 00:36:44,480 Here he comes. Let's see what he says. 470 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,760 Where did you get this guy from anyway? 471 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,360 Psychics R US? 472 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,960 I think this is a pretty good idea. 473 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,200 Us waiting around and then him finding the spot you know and then taking the stuff over to it. 474 00:37:03,235 --> 00:37:07,805 Yeah we still gonna go back to the car and get stuff, man. 475 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,525 I don't think he even knows that. Is he volunteering? I don't think so. 476 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,600 Well, I know he's not carrying too much. But you know what he said about that... 477 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,640 it's a vibe thing. 478 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,880 Tensions increases as they work further 479 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:28,160 into the forsaken Pines. And then a key point in the prosecution video arrives. 480 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:35,160 Jim... are you a psychic or a psycho? 481 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:42,400 Look man! I'll see you back at camp! 482 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:49,680 Approximately one hour later, judging from the Sun, a camp is being built. 483 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,520 Discussions are already being had about Suerd. 484 00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:55,220 Suerd is not helping. 485 00:37:55,255 --> 00:37:57,200 He's keeping to himself. 486 00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:02,869 For the next two hours, the video of the group is a collection of promotions for 487 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,770 future cable shows; the camera frequently left on between takes. 488 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,080 This is Locus reporting from the Pine Barrens and I'm with Rein. 489 00:38:11,115 --> 00:38:14,320 our sound man. Gee, Rein I'm pretty parched. 490 00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:15,260 I sure am, too. 491 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,880 Wow is that is that mulberry 492 00:38:17,915 --> 00:38:19,533 natural spring water? 493 00:38:19,568 --> 00:38:21,151 Yes from Mueller's. 494 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,640 Wow, how about - I wish I could have a 495 00:38:23,675 --> 00:38:26,105 sparkling glass of that. 496 00:38:26,140 --> 00:38:28,780 Boy I'm telling you and in a gallon jar. 497 00:38:28,815 --> 00:38:29,685 Jug 498 00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:30,720 the mood is good. 499 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:31,920 Let's do that again. 500 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:37,300 Jim does not join them, instead staying in the tent on IRC. 501 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:46,640 I don't really feel like I'm being taken very seriously, by really any of you. 502 00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:51,660 I'm taking you seriously. We set up here you know. 503 00:38:52,980 --> 00:38:56,585 I'm doing what what I do and 504 00:38:56,620 --> 00:38:59,060 I don't appreciate being laughed at. 505 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,340 Well it's just a stress thing. 506 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,800 Look we're gonna be going on in a bit. You gonna come out for the broadcast? 507 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:17,340 I think that I'll probably stay in here 508 00:39:19,660 --> 00:39:22,080 Stay on IRC 509 00:39:24,380 --> 00:39:28,020 At 10 p.m. in what will be the last broadcast, 510 00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:30,800 Fact or Fiction goes live. 511 00:39:31,460 --> 00:39:33,200 This is Johnny 512 00:39:33,235 --> 00:39:34,260 and Locus 513 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:43,160 and we are live in the Pine Barrens where tonight we are doing a first ever, internet broadcast, cable... 514 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,530 Jim has been on IRC for two hours and 30 minutes. 515 00:39:52,565 --> 00:39:56,740 A surveillance camera records the camp to VHS tape. 516 00:39:56,775 --> 00:40:00,205 It runs for 2 hours before shutting off. 517 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:07,000 At 1:00 a.m. the last tape in the series of 22 tapes shot by Locus Wheeler and Rein Clackin 518 00:40:07,035 --> 00:40:09,200 reaches its end. 519 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,380 Man, this thing's still on. What the hell's going on? 520 00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:19,420 Oh, I must have left it on. we should change tapes. 521 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,940 Did you change tapes? Here, I'm gonna change tapes in this. 522 00:40:21,975 --> 00:40:26,260 There is no indication that this is done. 523 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,220 No other footage exists. 524 00:40:48,700 --> 00:40:53,300 The tape show a group of men going through a wide range of emotions. 525 00:40:53,335 --> 00:40:56,640 seemingly enjoying their jaunt into the pine barrens. 526 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:04,620 The tape shows the brooding nature of one man who does not share in the frivolity. 527 00:41:04,980 --> 00:41:10,760 The tapes do make clear the maladjusted nature of Jim Suerd. 528 00:41:12,460 --> 00:41:16,540 Though Suerd maintained his innocence, the facts were indisputable. 529 00:41:17,820 --> 00:41:21,200 Four people went into the Pine Barrens, only Jim returned. 530 00:41:21,235 --> 00:41:24,360 Blood of all three was found on on Jim's shirt. 531 00:41:24,660 --> 00:41:27,360 Pushing Rein showed a potential violent streak. 532 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:32,910 The angle and depth of the cuts and lacerations matched somebody of his height and weight 533 00:41:32,945 --> 00:41:36,239 and more importantly ambidextrous nature. 534 00:41:36,274 --> 00:41:38,660 the number, which closely matched 535 00:41:38,669 --> 00:41:42,119 the date of the murders appearing through ashes on his arm, was deemed to 536 00:41:42,154 --> 00:41:44,385 be a good case for premeditated murder. 537 00:41:44,420 --> 00:41:48,220 The tape showing the four walking further and further into the woods, 538 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,660 virtually guaranteed a seclusion from civilization; 539 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,559 civilization that would make the killing easier. 540 00:41:54,594 --> 00:41:56,874 the defense's one victory was 541 00:41:56,909 --> 00:42:01,140 getting a third charge of murder, the murder of Steven Avkast, dropped. 542 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,460 Though a body is not necessarily needed to prove a murder, 543 00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:09,360 the prosecution had more than enough evidence with the two bodies that were found. 544 00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:13,945 on July 16th 1996 545 00:42:13,980 --> 00:42:18,760 Jim Suerd was found guilty on two counts of first degree murder. 546 00:42:18,795 --> 00:42:23,540 He was sentenced to two life terms to be served consecutively. 547 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:39,440 Went out with little Sadie and I shot it down, come back home, crawled into bed with a.44 pistol under my head. 548 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:45,800 I think the whole trial was a kangaroo court of sorts, a pig circus. 549 00:42:46,460 --> 00:42:50,680 I mean it's there the police obviously didn't do their homework. 550 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,400 They're not investigating to the best of their ability, 551 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,760 because there has to be - 552 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:07,200 There has to be some evidence indicating somebody else or something else. 553 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,360 The case they built up against him, it was all circumstantial. 554 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,960 They didn't have any actual evidence that he did this but I mean he was the only one there. 555 00:43:20,995 --> 00:43:22,987 They really had no one else to go on. 556 00:43:23,022 --> 00:43:24,945 I don't consider having the blood of 557 00:43:24,980 --> 00:43:27,705 victims all over your clothes as circumstantial. 558 00:43:27,740 --> 00:43:30,590 I mean that's pretty hard evidence as far as I'm concerned. You don't get blood 559 00:43:30,625 --> 00:43:35,955 on your clothes from a murder victim, you know, just out of the air. 560 00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:40,580 I mean, you have to be there conducting those murders to get that blood on your clothes. 561 00:43:40,615 --> 00:43:45,000 I don't consider that circumstantial in the least. 562 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,120 and I can't explain that I can't explain why 563 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,520 there would be blood on my shirt. 564 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,980 would you agree that it looks bad? 565 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:56,780 Excuse me? 566 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,560 Would you agree that things don't look very good for you right now? 567 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:05,640 I don't, I don't the way that you're telling me it doesn't look that good for me but I 568 00:44:05,675 --> 00:44:08,771 can't understand where this evidence came from. 569 00:44:08,780 --> 00:44:13,420 The evidence of blood on Jim's shirt was a strong point for the prosecution. 570 00:44:14,060 --> 00:44:15,585 DNA tests showed 571 00:44:15,620 --> 00:44:20,500 indisputably that it was the blood of the three that had gone into the woods with Suerd. 572 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,160 As I look at the images of DNA patterns and pools of blood, I wonder though 573 00:44:25,500 --> 00:44:30,960 if perhaps the jury anxious not to ignore DNA evidence as it happened in other trials. 574 00:44:30,995 --> 00:44:35,045 perhaps looked too closely. 575 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:40,402 Through the magnifying glass of the prosecution's microscope, the evidence was solid. 576 00:44:40,437 --> 00:44:43,860 However a macroscopic view begged another question. 577 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,945 Could the master of this orgy of violence have walked 578 00:44:46,980 --> 00:44:51,840 away from his work with merely the equivalent of 17 I drops of blood on his shirt... 579 00:44:52,020 --> 00:44:53,340 and nothing else? 580 00:44:54,060 --> 00:44:56,660 you know, every piece of evidence they would get 581 00:44:56,670 --> 00:45:00,925 they'd try to tie it somehow, instead of thinking 582 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,010 okay well gee, does this have anything to do with something else 583 00:45:05,045 --> 00:45:07,200 would always take a piece of evidence and go - 584 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,950 well gee how could Jimmy have used this? 585 00:45:09,985 --> 00:45:12,420 and it's kind of like, after a while, it's 586 00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:15,680 like building up a house of cards 587 00:45:15,690 --> 00:45:20,490 they just kept building up building up and eventually they had enough built up 588 00:45:20,525 --> 00:45:22,600 to get a case against him. 589 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,460 I wasn't really monitoring there conduct outside of camp. 590 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:29,480 I was doing my thing. 591 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:30,360 what were you doing? 592 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:31,680 I was on the IRC. 593 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:32,680 In the tent? 594 00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:33,300 Yeah. 595 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:34,260 All night? 596 00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:35,000 all night 597 00:45:35,340 --> 00:45:37,640 About what time did you start on IRC? 598 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,300 Probably around that 8:30 599 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,880 When we we've interviewed some of the individuals 600 00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:53,099 that mr. Suerd claimed to have been talking with on IRC that evening, 601 00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:59,245 and we've looked at their logs as well, too - their 602 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,600 their uh their chat logs from their from their computers, 603 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,365 and we have determined 604 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:12,960 that there was about a 45 minute gap between when mr. Suerd made one comment 605 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:14,925 to when he made the next comment. 606 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,100 and 45 minutes is an awfully long time to not 607 00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:22,185 be responding to other people on the Internet. 608 00:46:22,220 --> 00:46:26,780 They say this the the signal signal dropped out so you know Jim 609 00:46:26,815 --> 00:46:31,340 could have walked away and I guess that that is possible... 610 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,219 It is possible, yes. 611 00:46:33,254 --> 00:46:38,339 You don't necessarily have to be a world-class sprint runner - 612 00:46:38,340 --> 00:46:42,680 to cover that that amount of ground in 45 minutes. 613 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:20,720 In a way I have to raise doubts of this one guy doing all that to these bodies. 614 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:30,285 The the murdered pair, they were darlings of the media. 615 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:35,400 It was one of the reasons they jumped on this whole thing so quickly and had to come up with 616 00:47:35,435 --> 00:47:41,080 a conclusion of what happened was just that: it was their very own. 617 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:47,040 As professionals in law enforcement, we do not feel the pressure from outside sources, 618 00:47:47,075 --> 00:47:51,560 be at the media or otherwise to conduct our investigations. 619 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:56,080 We conduct them to to the best of our ability at all times. 620 00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:01,880 There were no other suspects to apprehend or to interview or to consider. 621 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,600 All the evidence pointed that Mr. Suerd was the only suspect 622 00:48:06,635 --> 00:48:09,605 and therefore all we had to do was gather 623 00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:18,360 the evidence to prove mr. Suerd's guilt. We did not have to gather evidence to gather other suspects. 624 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:30,880 On January 2nd, 1997, an event occurred that forced me to rethink the making of this documentary - 625 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,920 the very thesis with which I had begun the journey. 626 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:41,400 Jim Suerd was found dead in his jail of undetermined causes. 627 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:48,480 On January 3rd, a package arrived at my door which I think in no way was 628 00:48:48,515 --> 00:48:50,640 coincidental with the death of Jim Suerd. 629 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:11,240 The acquiring of mysterious video tape has changed the mood behind the making of this documentary. 630 00:49:11,260 --> 00:49:14,480 Gone is the attempt to pure objectivity with which we started. 631 00:49:14,515 --> 00:49:17,200 Now we question, who gave us this tape? 632 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,440 And more importantly, what, if any information, does it hold 633 00:49:21,460 --> 00:49:23,685 that was never brought up in the trial? 634 00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:28,485 Going to the authorities with this new tape is pondered but rejected. 635 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:33,440 To them the case is closed and with Jim's death, appeals are a moot point. 636 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,280 Nothing is ruled out. The tape could be a hoax. 637 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,845 I am conscious of one thing though. 638 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,600 My search for the truth behind the Fact or Fiction murders 639 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,360 has in some way become part of the story. 640 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,000 There was this discussion on the last tape that 641 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:57,080 they were going to change tapes. But whether that ever happened or not... 642 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,640 I don't know. 643 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,900 I didn't see any other tapes and from what I saw of the camera 644 00:50:05,935 --> 00:50:10,800 it was pretty damaged. So if there was any tape in there... 645 00:50:10,835 --> 00:50:14,840 I doubt that it ever could be played. 646 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,480 My name is Michele Monarch. 647 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,679 I'm a magnetic media data recovery specialist. 648 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:31,400 The particular videotape that I was given was mangled almost beyond recognition. 649 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,085 I digitized sections of this particular video, 650 00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:42,200 placed it into the computer and am now reconstructing the actual picture frame by frame. 651 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,720 and I have to guide the computer to complete these pictures 652 00:50:46,755 --> 00:50:50,725 there was some that were easily captured by the computer. 653 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:55,560 Others were unrecognizable, and I'm rebuilding them now at this time. 654 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,685 As the tape is reassembled by Shelly, 655 00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:08,880 it becomes apparent that some sections are rather viewable. 656 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:28,800 And I'll say, yeah I'm here, you know. I'm here while Locus is out hunting for the Jersey Devil. 657 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,680 And I'll be like, "ah, shut up" 658 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,320 Yeah, you can be like, "I don't see him." 659 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,360 No, no, we better not do that because, we've got to deliver on this show. 660 00:51:36,395 --> 00:51:37,960 This is the big one here. 661 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,320 Okay are we ready there, Rein? 662 00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,160 Do you want me to still be rolling on this stuff, Steven? 663 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,360 Do you want to state that that whole thing. I think I kind of could hear you. 664 00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:56,640 I've been rolling the camera just messing around shooting camp stuff but 665 00:51:56,675 --> 00:51:58,200 could you - what was the deal with 666 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,920 I don't care if he hears this or not. don't I mean this is never gonna make it 667 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:07,360 anything but the cutting room floor as they would say film days. From what Sam was saying. 668 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,280 Sam, boy even he was --- 669 00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:13,240 I don't want to be like a bitch all night. 670 00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:19,240 I'm going to take a walk out into the woods and do a scout out of the location. 671 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:25,280 I also have to go the bathroom. 672 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,760 Get on the trumpet, do that sound. 673 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,960 Newark's doing its thing. 674 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,685 Yeah, I know the airplanes from Newark. but eah we got 675 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:44,960 we got a little bit from that one machine going, but I want to see you working for the reason you're out here. 676 00:52:44,995 --> 00:52:48,840 And Locus, come on, 1R 144 double X awaits you. 677 00:52:48,875 --> 00:52:50,840 Do some work, man! 678 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,000 Sure Steven, Anything you say, big guy. 679 00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:02,000 I'll be back in about ten minutes. 680 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:10,160 Hey, do me a favor and switch that machine on. 681 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,160 There goes a little tyrant. 682 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,320 here, come on I got the camera roll and do a Steven imitation for me. 683 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:38,840 Oh no I'm talking about Steven being a pussy I'm not talking about Jim being a pussy. 684 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,320 Jim's one psycho mother fuck-kahh.. 685 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,600 He's scary, man. 686 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,600 Let me get that on camera. 687 00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:49,787 that thing isn't running, is it? 688 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,800 Of course it's running. We're supposed to record everything. 689 00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:58,000 give me a Jim - why don't you do that line that you said.. 690 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,880 What did you think when he pushed you? 691 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:16,320 Iwas a little bit... I don't know was weird and kind of it freaked me out, man. 692 00:54:16,355 --> 00:54:19,400 I didn't really expect him to be violent. I thought it was like 693 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,360 see that's what I don't get, man. He's like totally like 694 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,120 I thought he was like one of those guys like you know those peace, fucking meditation dudes or something.... 695 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,720 Following these recorded moments, a large portion of the tape is smashed. 696 00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:39,760 It is a section that Shelley will attempt to restore. 697 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:46,640 The next section that is immediately viewable, happens somewhere in the middle of the tape. 698 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:57,960 The first thing that is apparent is that this is tape shot by Locus and Rein. 699 00:54:57,995 --> 00:55:02,040 Steven is nowhere to be seen. They are searching for him. 700 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,840 on her third day of restoration shelley makes another discovery. 701 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,720 The anonymous tape is not from one, but two cameras. 702 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,880 Both Rein and Locus took cameras into the forest. 703 00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,560 Let me get the light up here. 704 00:55:17,595 --> 00:55:19,760 This is fact or fiction. 705 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:21,045 we can't find Steven. 706 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,325 Here we are in the Pine Barrens on a trip that he drug us out here for. 707 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:30,560 We did a webcast, simulcast, cast cast cable cast that really was pretty poor if you ask me. 708 00:55:30,595 --> 00:55:35,390 But that doesn't matter at this point because Steven, our main host, is missing. 709 00:55:35,425 --> 00:55:38,052 Johnny. Johnny. Johnny love is gone. 710 00:55:38,087 --> 00:55:41,413 He's gone and we can't find him. 711 00:55:41,448 --> 00:55:44,740 All I want to do is drink some beer. 712 00:55:44,980 --> 00:55:49,125 see this is for you Steven. Even though we don't know where you are, 713 00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:54,160 we just want you to know that we're being really loyal to this whole "shoot everything". 714 00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:08,940 In the sixth day of her work, Shelly puts together a stunning piece of tape. 715 00:56:08,975 --> 00:56:12,830 It is a moment in time that proves so much. 716 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,640 Footprint... I think it goes off this way. 717 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,993 Do you see anything over there? 718 00:56:24,028 --> 00:56:25,974 He's been gone for a while. 719 00:56:26,009 --> 00:56:27,885 Do you know what time it is? 720 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,920 It's I think it's late it's like, 721 00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:35,400 Two... Forty Five. 722 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,445 Rein and Locus were alive 723 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:43,820 and speaking the time to one another and they were supposed to be being killed 724 00:56:43,855 --> 00:56:47,560 and they're alive and they're saying the time on the video. 725 00:56:47,595 --> 00:56:49,575 To me that proves that 726 00:56:49,610 --> 00:56:52,445 Jim absolutely was not killing them at that time. 727 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:58,550 Jim is an innocent man and this was not investigated in any way shape or form. 728 00:56:58,585 --> 00:57:03,840 It was overlooked. So many details were overlooked. 729 00:57:03,875 --> 00:57:06,857 Also if he's an innocent man, 730 00:57:06,892 --> 00:57:09,805 there's a killer on the loose. 731 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,960 Shelly's work slowly gives voices to the dead. 732 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,840 Ghosts caught on video. 733 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:32,320 why is he acting so weird? 734 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:38,200 I feel weird about it. 735 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:58,800 I feel weird about it. why didn't. you try to stop him going into the woods. 736 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,360 The processing of the tape is quickly becoming more difficult for Shelley. 737 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:10,400 Now only bits and pieces tell the story of what happened in the woods. 738 00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:17,400 On February 5th, Shelley presents a section of videotape that is nothing short of horrifying. 739 00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,200 It intensifies the question of who the killer is. 740 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:17,480 On February 7th Shelley finds what she thinks is the same moment in time from Locus's camera. 741 00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,845 It cannot however be viewed. 742 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:25,480 She remains hopeful as she begins the process of trying to reconstruct a lost video. 743 00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:31,640 The computer needs me to direct it. It doesn't know how to reconstruct a circle. 744 00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:37,640 maybe it would have an opening at the side and I have to teach it to continue the circle. 745 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,840 I'm a guiding factor. 746 00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:45,520 While Shelley begins the process of attempting to restore video, 747 00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:50,160 I will attempt to find a truth within the film I have already shot. 748 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:57,560 In sitting there waiting for these video edits to render, I did wonder about 749 00:59:57,595 --> 01:00:02,870 certain aspects of the case... 750 01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,452 Sometimes I wonder, am i doing the right thing? 751 01:00:05,487 --> 01:00:07,725 Did this guy do it? 752 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:13,160 It seemed to me, from all what I saw, that you know it was pretty likely 753 01:00:13,195 --> 01:00:14,085 that he did it. 754 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,360 I mean you had the blood evidence and stuff like that, 755 01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,760 But there was that the one guy that they never found his body. 756 01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:25,560 What happened to him? I mean, could he have done it? I don't know. 757 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,765 It is an obvious question. 758 01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,760 A question I had presented to all the people interviewed. 759 01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:36,520 The tape restoration is showing Locus and Rein searching for Steven, 760 01:00:36,555 --> 01:00:39,120 which only makes the question more relevant. 761 01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,400 What happened to Steven Avkast? 762 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,440 By process of elimination, I proceed. 763 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:54,840 We did find some blood and of course the infamous Johnny hat that was found. 764 01:00:55,160 --> 01:01:00,150 We were never able to find any more remains. 765 01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,880 of that person so we don't know if he's dead or alive. 766 01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:09,640 They never found Steven's body, Johnny - but they found his hat. 767 01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:14,520 So, I mean, I don't know. it's just weird that the only thing left of him is... 768 01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,200 a hat? 769 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:26,320 All right I'll be back in about ten minutes. okay man, I'll be on that before we get back 770 01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:36,480 we don't think that Mr. Avkast would be able to set up mr. Suerd because the amount of blood that we found 771 01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,800 Of Mr. Avkast is so great that he would have bled to death trying to set Mr. Suerd up. 772 01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,560 There goes the little tyrant. 773 01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,765 oh whoa 774 01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,480 check it out. Shine that over there. 775 01:01:52,515 --> 01:01:53,497 Oh Wow, what's that? 776 01:01:53,532 --> 01:01:54,480 I don't know, man. 777 01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,840 Looks like a light. 778 01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,560 Yo, it's Steven's light. Yo Steve! 779 01:02:06,595 --> 01:02:08,040 Steven!!! 780 01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:12,950 In finding that Jim's alibi holds up, we have to attempt to answer the question raised: 781 01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,600 who killed these people? 782 01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,200 The likely suspect would appear to be Steven. 783 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:24,480 As I watch these frames though, I see no recognition in Locus's face. 784 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:30,080 I see Locus, a man larger than Steven, turn tail and run. 785 01:02:30,115 --> 01:02:31,960 As does Rein. 786 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:38,000 Steven Avkast, being the culprit of the horrendous massacre that took place in the minutes that follow this tape 787 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,320 is impossible to believe. 788 01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:44,085 Aong with the amount of blood that belongs to Steve Avkast, 789 01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:48,520 this makes me believe that he also was murdered in the Pine Barrens. 790 01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,645 I am now also of the belief 791 01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:57,320 that the killer was somehow something more horrendous than possible to imagine. 792 01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,200 what could have killed three healthy men? 793 01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,080 What would have left no footprints? 794 01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:14,640 What would have torn the men into forty seven pieces,leaving no evidence of a struggle? 795 01:03:14,675 --> 01:03:18,800 We could tell by what was a left in the infliction of the wound that it was 796 01:03:18,810 --> 01:03:21,400 a serrated type weapon, that much we know. 797 01:03:21,435 --> 01:03:24,565 there were noknife fragments or 798 01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:32,400 any evidence of the actual weapon used other than the cuts themselves well 799 01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:42,800 We're a rural County, we have people who are not greatly educated. 800 01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,325 Rumors and folklore are common. 801 01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:49,045 I put no credence in anything of that nature. 802 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,440 I just go by the facts that the police are able to ascertain. 803 01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:53,520 A monster? 804 01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,680 Yeah, I think this person's a monster. I don't believe 805 01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:02,320 fact or fiction. I don't believe the fiction. 806 01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,480 I think this is a person and I'm gonna find out who it is. 807 01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:13,480 I'm gonna reconstruct and do my job to recover what has been lost -- the facts. 808 01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:18,880 it is as though the Jersey Devil is a monster reborn in a digital age. 809 01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:20,845 Reborn on the Internet. 810 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:27,160 a demon captured on IRC logs, mangled video, whispers in the dark. 811 01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,080 It is to these that I look. 812 01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,320 it's totally anonymous I mean you can't trace a call 813 01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,440 You don't know if it's man, woman, old, young. 814 01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,320 you don't know anything you don't know where it's from. 815 01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,920 I mean in one way I don't know 816 01:04:41,929 --> 01:04:45,799 why the cops didn't try to do anything you know and try to figure out 817 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:50,020 Well who made that idea? Who came up with that suggestion? 818 01:04:50,055 --> 01:04:54,240 Why don't you do a show about the Jersey Devil? 819 01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,240 we have this show Fact or Fiction. 820 01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,079 It's a paranormal variety show. you know we have guests come on, 821 01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:05,200 That kind of thing. Well, things have kind of been a little slow over at station, 822 01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:09,280 the station so we thought what we would do is we'd we'd make a little excursion 823 01:05:09,315 --> 01:05:20,640 there was a suggestion, via IRC,..... 824 01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,760 and also to the mail bag. 825 01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:24,800 Yeah. 826 01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:26,720 That guy, D something. Whatever his name was. 827 01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:31,040 One thing about IRC really hard is that - 828 01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:35,760 It really is hard to trace it because, I mean, it's not like like you know 829 01:05:35,779 --> 01:05:37,182 the phone number they're calling from. 830 01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,840 I mean this could have been like Shanghai 831 01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:42,640 where they were writing this message from. 832 01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:44,805 You just don't know. 833 01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,840 That's part of the beauty and part of the evil of it. 834 01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,200 it is amazing to be so near 835 01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,080 yet so far from the possibility of knowing who the killer is. 836 01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:04,760 D something. 837 01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,160 we thought what we would do 838 01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:14,920 is we'd we'd make a little excursion. there was a suggestion, via IRC, to - 839 01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,440 and also from that mail bag. 840 01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:18,345 yeah 841 01:06:18,380 --> 01:06:20,480 that guy D something whatever his name was. 842 01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:26,200 it's just not practical to keep logs to that stuff. I get so much email, so much 843 01:06:26,210 --> 01:06:32,080 it would just clog up my system. I erased it as we went along. I mean, once a job 844 01:06:32,099 --> 01:06:35,385 once a point got finished I killed the email, got rid of it. 845 01:06:35,420 --> 01:06:36,445 it was it was like a to-do list. 846 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,040 I check it off, I get rid of this stuff. 847 01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,440 So, once things weren't pertinent anymore, I just get rid of them. 848 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,840 So I don't have anything of it really. 849 01:06:44,849 --> 01:06:49,680 I mean there there were like a couple of emails that we had at the very end there 850 01:06:49,715 --> 01:06:53,200 But there's nothing illuminating there. 851 01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:28,480 it gets harder and harder to stick with your original gut feeling. 852 01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:41,550 Because of the media, you know. The attention that the whole case is getting, 853 01:07:41,585 --> 01:07:46,640 how one-sided, lopsided the whole thing is. and you start to think, 854 01:07:46,675 --> 01:07:49,045 maybe 855 01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:55,960 Maybe he did do it. Maybe there's a side of Jim that I don't know that 856 01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,440 that was capable of such atrocity. 857 01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,605 As this journey nears its end, 858 01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:05,080 I begin to fully understand the essence of what this is about. 859 01:08:05,115 --> 01:08:08,285 the media upon which these events were recorded. 860 01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,070 the media that should have been able to provide a truth 861 01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:15,600 more pure than ever before, has somehow become the story. 862 01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:21,170 This has become more than a search for the truth behind the Fact or Fiction murders. 863 01:08:21,205 --> 01:08:26,100 it has become an indictment of truth and how it is viewed through the lens of the media. 864 01:08:26,135 --> 01:08:31,589 Pretty exciting moment here because the fact or fiction logo is on screen 865 01:08:31,624 --> 01:08:33,485 which means one thing. 866 01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:37,650 that we are now actually getting our 867 01:08:37,685 --> 01:08:42,245 feed live to the cable company 868 01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,955 Reality television, the news, 869 01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:50,370 The 60-second clip of truth, have made even the strongest of doubters wonder... 870 01:08:50,405 --> 01:08:53,840 Are you a psychic or a psycho? 871 01:08:54,200 --> 01:09:00,720 Look man I'll see you back at camp. 872 01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:05,885 What did you say to him? 873 01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,670 wait what do you mean he's gonna be where we can't go -- Where the hell is the camp? 874 01:09:09,705 --> 01:09:11,799 this is the whole fucking thing where the hell is the camp? 875 01:09:11,834 --> 01:09:12,964 We can't lose him. 876 01:09:12,999 --> 01:09:14,170 well, we're losing him. 877 01:09:14,205 --> 01:09:18,480 go find a man I'm not gonna go anywhere near him fucking asshole, man. 878 01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,005 just cut the damn camera already. 879 01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:28,760 What is the truth? The editing process - it's like sifting that stuff out 880 01:09:28,770 --> 01:09:36,720 ultimately, I mean not necessarily with these legal videos, but with a 881 01:09:36,730 --> 01:09:42,040 documentary film, I mean ultimately it's what the filmmaker perceives as the truth. 882 01:09:42,075 --> 01:09:45,920 I mean, don't you think - that's what you're trying to do right? 883 01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,484 The mistakes that were discovered on this journey were stunning. 884 01:09:50,519 --> 01:09:52,640 shoddy police work and a judgmental video 885 01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,600 presented the world with a person guilty before ever being tried. 886 01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,045 I know Jim is not guilty. 887 01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:01,240 I know that the truth is still at large, 888 01:10:01,260 --> 01:10:04,285 potentially closer than anyone can realize. 889 01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:09,280 it is as though the real killer planned a media event so amazingly cunning 890 01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:12,000 that it could be thought of as scripted. 891 01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,510 A kill ready for primetime, so to speak. 892 01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:19,579 Perhaps the demon we call the Jersey Devil did kill them in the Pine Barrens. 893 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:23,720 But if so, the Jersey Devil is the electronic image, 894 01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:25,720 the sound 895 01:10:25,739 --> 01:10:27,645 The communication to the masses, 896 01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:31,200 Somehow twisted into a surrealist electronic world. 897 01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:36,880 I always asked the question last: Do you Jim did it? 898 01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:40,680 And with the exception of authorities directly accountable to the answer, 899 01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:44,560 I have felt that the answer given has been - it doesn't matter. 900 01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,560 The truth is what time has made of this event. 901 01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,180 it has been good for business. Often murder is. 902 01:10:52,215 --> 01:10:55,520 so many involved benefited from this event. 903 01:10:55,560 --> 01:11:00,480 The inevitable book deal is being replaced with a career in the business of image control. 904 01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:04,040 And most of the people interviewed are ready to embrace it. 905 01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:08,960 I guess a grim irony here, as these post-its can attest, 906 01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:17,200 the fact that when we have some real dead bodies, then the sharks start circling. 907 01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:26,760 Strange that an incident like that would be a prelude 908 01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:30,365 to a new phase in my career. 909 01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,205 It's interesting, after the court case was over 910 01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:36,345 with all the publicity and everything surrounding it, you know, I started 911 01:11:36,380 --> 01:11:42,080 getting the phone calls for a couple job leads. I mean, you know, so in one way, 912 01:11:42,115 --> 01:11:43,525 This might have helped me out of here. 913 01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,560 How long will it take to process the entire tape? 914 01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,340 it's not my intention to process the whole tape. 915 01:11:49,375 --> 01:11:50,480 I don't need to do that. 916 01:11:50,500 --> 01:11:53,810 it could take hours, it could take days. 917 01:11:53,845 --> 01:11:57,120 I need to process a particular piece of tape 918 01:11:57,440 --> 01:12:00,120 that could potentially reveal a killer. 919 01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:05,320 Shelley continues to extrapolate information from a frame 920 01:12:05,355 --> 01:12:10,400 While I will reenact the events of December 151995 921 01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:16,405 This is one of the stops that the guys made on the way to the pine barrens. 922 01:12:16,440 --> 01:12:21,160 I know this because of the extensive documentary footage that they had taken take of this place. 923 01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:23,320 I don't know what good this will do. 924 01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,320 I think it's just to keep myself clear on wha happened. 925 01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,720 You know the order of events. 926 01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,840 Strangely the weather is almost identical to the way it was that day. 927 01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:07,350 I'm now travelling an access route that I know Steven and Locus had taken. 928 01:13:07,385 --> 01:13:09,078 for the Jersey Devil Project. 929 01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:13,000 We're in the midst of the Pine Barrens at this point. 930 01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:17,120 and what I'm hoping to do is see if I can't do a recreation of the campsite, 931 01:13:17,130 --> 01:13:19,966 Perhaps the murder scene. 932 01:13:20,001 --> 01:13:23,800 Hopefully traversing this won't be too big of a problem. 933 01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:27,920 I'm using this video camera just as a matter of convenience. 934 01:13:27,955 --> 01:13:31,645 Using film out here with prove to be logistically too difficult. 935 01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:40,040 Hopefully we can get you some good footage and really try demonstrate - 936 01:13:40,075 --> 01:13:44,640 The intrepid nature of Steven and Locus. 937 01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:17,470 I feel with some more work that I will find the killer. 938 01:14:17,480 --> 01:14:20,640 I will see the face of the killer. 939 01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:05,840 This site is a very close approximation of the one used by Steven and Locus on 940 01:15:05,875 --> 01:15:07,805 the night of the Jersey Devil episode. 941 01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:12,160 They'd chosen a clearing similar to this one as base camp for the telecast. 942 01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:16,360 When they ventured onto the Pine Barrens with their cameras, 943 01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:18,480 they would never return alive again. 944 01:15:19,480 --> 01:15:22,960 The documentary footage that generated on that evening proves irrevocably, 945 01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:26,205 that Jim Suerd was not responsible for their murders. 946 01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:30,720 That Locus and Rein Clackin were actually alive at the time they were ostensibly killed. 947 01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:34,080 and that the police case was shoddy at best. 948 01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,360 what is the Jersey Devil? 949 01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,760 it's a man wandering into the Pine Barrens never to be seen again. 950 01:15:39,795 --> 01:15:43,400 It's a mangled animal found on one of these access roads. 951 01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:48,440 Or perhaps it's something that rests within our psyche and we'll never truly understand. 952 01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:52,120 I've been on this project for months now and haven't come to a clear definition 953 01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,960 of what actually happened or who was responsible. 954 01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:59,920 All I know is that it's a mystery and it may permanently remain so. 955 01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,600 What is the Jersey Devil? 956 01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,520 I'm now outside of Shelley's studio. 957 01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:41,640 All the media. 958 01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,320 all the interviews 959 01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,040 the truth comes down to this one frame. 960 01:19:00,180 --> 01:19:04,620 I've determined that this is no time to be distracted or set aside in the course 961 01:19:04,655 --> 01:19:07,625 of the events that I've set into motion. 962 01:19:07,660 --> 01:19:09,540 My next step will be going to the Pine Barrens 963 01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:15,520 for a reenactment of the murders of Steven Avkast and Locus Wheeler and Rein Clackin. 964 01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:19,420 I'm as strong in my resolve as before and improving that Jim Suerd 965 01:19:19,455 --> 01:19:21,080 was not responsible for these murders. 966 01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:25,700 That he had neither the intellect nor the logical capacity to carry them through. 967 01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:31,900 I think that the replayment of our events here will be quite compelling in the demonstration of 968 01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,600 Suerd's innocence. 969 01:21:43,460 --> 01:21:47,420 This site is a close approximation of the one chosen by Steven Locus as the 970 01:21:47,455 --> 01:21:53,540 site of their Fact or Fiction Jersey Devil broadcast. They'd... 971 01:21:54,260 --> 01:22:01,560 This site is a close approximation of the one chosen by Steven and Locus as the site of their Fact or Fiction Jersey Devil Broadcast. 972 01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:05,260 They'd chosen a clearing similar to this one... as base camp 973 01:22:05,940 --> 01:22:08,840 and ventured into the pine barrens with their cameras... this site.... 974 01:22:09,780 --> 01:22:14,040 is a close approximation of the one chosen by Steven and Locus as the site of 975 01:22:14,075 --> 01:22:18,300 their Fact or Fiction Jersey Devil Broadcast,.. they'c chosen a similar.... 976 01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:39,100 this site is a close approximation.... 977 01:26:39,220 --> 01:26:41,280 you 92021

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