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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,045 --> 00:00:03,713 Is there someone inside you? 2 00:00:03,755 --> 00:00:05,840 I love, love, love possession films. 3 00:00:05,882 --> 00:00:07,175 Sink. 4 00:00:09,469 --> 00:00:11,054 Possession stories 5 00:00:11,095 --> 00:00:13,640 touch on our fear of losing control... 6 00:00:13,681 --> 00:00:15,975 control of our bodies, of our lives, of our mind. 7 00:00:16,017 --> 00:00:18,394 One day, we could be our normal selves, 8 00:00:18,436 --> 00:00:21,022 and the next day be a raging lunatic 9 00:00:21,064 --> 00:00:24,150 spouting arcane languages or obscenities. 10 00:00:24,192 --> 00:00:25,693 The sow is mine. 11 00:00:25,735 --> 00:00:28,363 both: The power of Christ compels you! 12 00:00:28,404 --> 00:00:30,990 "The Exorcist" is held up as being the holy grail, 13 00:00:31,032 --> 00:00:33,034 rightfully so, of possession movies. 14 00:00:33,076 --> 00:00:34,619 I'm the devil. 15 00:00:34,661 --> 00:00:37,038 The world was afraid of this movie, 16 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,415 and they were afraid of me. 17 00:00:39,457 --> 00:00:41,000 "The Omen" is like my hands-down 18 00:00:41,042 --> 00:00:42,168 favorite horror movie. 19 00:00:42,210 --> 00:00:44,462 Look at me, Damien. 20 00:00:44,504 --> 00:00:47,006 There's just something inherently creepy about kids. 21 00:00:48,174 --> 00:00:52,303 Your loved one is not who you assumed they were, 22 00:00:52,345 --> 00:00:54,639 and we saw that to wonderful effect 23 00:00:54,681 --> 00:00:57,350 in both of the "Evil Dead" films. 24 00:00:57,392 --> 00:00:59,811 You're bitten by your girlfriend who's possessed. 25 00:00:59,852 --> 00:01:01,604 Your hand's gonna get possessed, 26 00:01:01,646 --> 00:01:02,939 so your hand's gonna attack you. 27 00:01:04,482 --> 00:01:06,150 Looks like something bit you. 28 00:01:06,192 --> 00:01:10,697 "Paranormal Activity" was a game-changer for me. 29 00:01:10,738 --> 00:01:12,323 It was a new way in. 30 00:01:12,365 --> 00:01:13,700 Get out. 31 00:01:13,741 --> 00:01:15,118 "Get Out" is a possession film. 32 00:01:15,159 --> 00:01:16,595 It is a possession film. 33 00:01:16,619 --> 00:01:19,414 A force that's evil. 34 00:01:19,455 --> 00:01:22,208 They have nothing but bad intentions for you. 35 00:01:23,710 --> 00:01:25,753 Oh, my God! 36 00:01:25,795 --> 00:01:27,130 What am I seeing happen? 37 00:01:57,035 --> 00:01:59,579 The fear that demons will enter our bodies 38 00:01:59,621 --> 00:02:02,040 and make us do terrible things 39 00:02:02,081 --> 00:02:04,626 has haunted mankind for millennia. 40 00:02:06,294 --> 00:02:08,004 In recent times, it has inspired some of 41 00:02:08,046 --> 00:02:10,840 the most frightening films ever made... 42 00:02:13,134 --> 00:02:16,095 Fever dreams like "Night of the Demons" 43 00:02:16,137 --> 00:02:17,305 and "Hellraiser"... 44 00:02:17,347 --> 00:02:21,976 We'll tear your soul apart. 45 00:02:22,018 --> 00:02:24,062 Fictionalized case histories, 46 00:02:24,103 --> 00:02:27,690 such as "The Exorcism of Emily Rose" 47 00:02:27,732 --> 00:02:29,776 and "The Last Exorcism." 48 00:02:31,736 --> 00:02:34,447 The nightmare of being taken over by a sinister force 49 00:02:34,489 --> 00:02:37,825 can be seen as a metaphor for mental illness, 50 00:02:37,867 --> 00:02:42,038 but what if these films reflect a deeper truth... 51 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,499 a truth about the nature of good and evil? 52 00:02:44,540 --> 00:02:47,960 In the name of Jesus Christ, the saints, and all the angels, 53 00:02:48,002 --> 00:02:50,338 I command you to reveal yourself! 54 00:02:55,718 --> 00:02:56,928 Demons are real. 55 00:02:58,805 --> 00:03:01,766 We're so used to seeing the world 56 00:03:01,808 --> 00:03:06,979 in just very few dimensions... time and space, 57 00:03:07,021 --> 00:03:09,691 depth and appearance. 58 00:03:09,732 --> 00:03:14,237 There is so much more at work in our universe 59 00:03:14,278 --> 00:03:17,782 than that which just meets the naked eye. 60 00:03:20,076 --> 00:03:21,828 Though our fears are ancient, 61 00:03:21,869 --> 00:03:23,788 films about demonic possession 62 00:03:23,830 --> 00:03:26,708 are a relatively recent phenomenon. 63 00:03:26,749 --> 00:03:30,420 Hollywood's self-censoring Motion Picture Production Code 64 00:03:30,461 --> 00:03:32,839 set strict rules on content 65 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,384 from the early 1930s to the late 1960s. 66 00:03:36,426 --> 00:03:38,678 There is no room on the screen 67 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:43,391 at any time for pictures which offend against common decency. 68 00:03:44,434 --> 00:03:48,062 Outside of the Swedish film "Haxan" from 1922, 69 00:03:48,104 --> 00:03:51,315 full-on demonic possessions do not appear on screen 70 00:03:51,357 --> 00:03:54,444 until 1973... 71 00:03:54,485 --> 00:03:58,156 the year of "The Exorcist." 72 00:03:58,197 --> 00:04:00,158 Obviously, "The Exorcist" is held up 73 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:02,243 as being the holy grail, rightfully so, 74 00:04:02,285 --> 00:04:03,619 of possession movies. 75 00:04:06,914 --> 00:04:09,876 "The Exorcist" is about a priest 76 00:04:09,917 --> 00:04:13,045 that had his own demons 77 00:04:13,087 --> 00:04:15,339 he had been following years prior. 78 00:04:17,216 --> 00:04:22,930 Years later, he finds himself in the same position 79 00:04:22,972 --> 00:04:25,516 with this same demon, 80 00:04:25,558 --> 00:04:29,812 but this time, it's inside of a young girl. 81 00:04:29,854 --> 00:04:32,064 The whole thing was to draw in Father Merrin 82 00:04:32,106 --> 00:04:34,859 to get him to do war... battle one more time. 83 00:04:34,901 --> 00:04:36,360 Captain Howdy? 84 00:04:36,402 --> 00:04:38,446 Linda Blair's character, Regan, 85 00:04:38,488 --> 00:04:43,451 becomes another person because this demon is inside of her. 86 00:04:43,493 --> 00:04:46,329 - I'm Damien Karras. - And I'm the devil. 87 00:04:46,370 --> 00:04:48,581 Now kindly undo these straps. 88 00:04:48,623 --> 00:04:51,834 If you're the devil, why not make the straps disappear? 89 00:04:51,876 --> 00:04:55,713 That's much too vulgar a display of power, Karras. 90 00:04:55,755 --> 00:04:58,966 Satan plays the role of Satan. 91 00:04:59,008 --> 00:05:00,426 I don't know if that's Satan 92 00:05:00,468 --> 00:05:02,929 or a bunch of demons. Doesn't matter. 93 00:05:02,970 --> 00:05:06,599 - Where's Regan? - In here with us. 94 00:05:07,433 --> 00:05:11,562 The actor is really the one selling the idea of possession. 95 00:05:13,815 --> 00:05:15,274 So you've got to have a great actor 96 00:05:15,316 --> 00:05:17,610 to play somebody who's possessed. 97 00:05:17,652 --> 00:05:19,320 - Ahh! - Oh! 98 00:05:19,362 --> 00:05:21,864 Keep away! The sow is mine! 99 00:05:21,906 --> 00:05:24,951 Billy Friedkin, the director, really wanted to make sure 100 00:05:24,992 --> 00:05:31,332 that Regan was just any generic all-American little girl. 101 00:05:31,374 --> 00:05:34,502 Her transformation from this very sweet, 102 00:05:34,544 --> 00:05:37,547 very typical young girl... 103 00:05:37,588 --> 00:05:39,841 Oh, Mom, can't we get a horse? 104 00:05:39,882 --> 00:05:43,886 Into a monster I think comments on this anxiety 105 00:05:43,928 --> 00:05:47,765 that the young people of the country were moving away 106 00:05:47,807 --> 00:05:50,476 from the conservative norms of society. 107 00:05:55,731 --> 00:05:57,400 It was 1973, 108 00:05:57,441 --> 00:05:59,569 so we were recently out of Vietnam, 109 00:05:59,610 --> 00:06:02,864 and the hippie movement was still in full swing. 110 00:06:02,905 --> 00:06:05,116 There was definitely upheaval going on, 111 00:06:05,157 --> 00:06:09,787 social upheaval going on, and generational conflict. 112 00:06:12,290 --> 00:06:15,877 You have a mother who's trying to deal with a daughter 113 00:06:15,918 --> 00:06:19,630 who has suddenly become something else, 114 00:06:19,672 --> 00:06:23,551 and this is what a lot of parents felt like. 115 00:06:27,638 --> 00:06:29,307 The horror stuff doesn't really come in 116 00:06:29,348 --> 00:06:31,017 until, like, the second half, 117 00:06:31,058 --> 00:06:35,563 but the first half is all sort of upsetting images 118 00:06:35,605 --> 00:06:39,984 and strange depictions of medical procedures. 119 00:06:42,862 --> 00:06:44,631 It isn't just that medical science is inadequate; 120 00:06:44,655 --> 00:06:46,324 it's that medical science 121 00:06:46,365 --> 00:06:48,492 is even kind of destructive toward the child. 122 00:06:48,534 --> 00:06:50,828 Religion is really the only answer. 123 00:06:50,870 --> 00:06:52,580 You ever heard of exorcism? 124 00:06:54,624 --> 00:06:57,168 By the time the horror stuff happens, 125 00:06:57,209 --> 00:07:00,504 the audience is pretty much desensitized. 126 00:07:00,546 --> 00:07:03,633 They're already pummeled by the movie that they've seen, 127 00:07:03,674 --> 00:07:07,136 and it was extremely manipulative, 128 00:07:07,178 --> 00:07:08,763 and not a very nice movie 129 00:07:08,804 --> 00:07:12,224 in the sense of being good to the audience. 130 00:07:15,853 --> 00:07:18,481 Every time they track down the hallway to the door, 131 00:07:18,522 --> 00:07:21,317 the audience did not... they wanted to but didn't... 132 00:07:21,359 --> 00:07:24,862 "Yes, no, yes, no"... to go into that door. 133 00:07:24,904 --> 00:07:26,781 It's a hard movie to watch. 134 00:07:28,908 --> 00:07:31,494 What happens to Linda Blair is just... it's terrible. 135 00:07:31,535 --> 00:07:34,413 The scene where I'm sitting up and down really fast. 136 00:07:34,455 --> 00:07:36,958 Please, Mother, make it stop! 137 00:07:36,999 --> 00:07:38,918 It's basically, like, a metal brace, 138 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,462 and then I'm tied in on each side. 139 00:07:41,504 --> 00:07:43,923 Unfortunately, they didn't tie it in really good. 140 00:07:43,965 --> 00:07:48,594 It fractured my lower spine, so that's what's on camera, 141 00:07:48,636 --> 00:07:51,263 and the screaming and yelling is real. 142 00:07:51,305 --> 00:07:54,725 Make it stop! It's killing me! 143 00:07:54,767 --> 00:07:56,560 My mother had gotten a call saying, 144 00:07:56,602 --> 00:08:00,356 "Can Jamie audition for 'The Exorcist'?" 145 00:08:00,398 --> 00:08:05,528 And my mother said, "Uh, no. I don't think so." 146 00:08:05,569 --> 00:08:07,405 And then it came out, and we screened it 147 00:08:07,446 --> 00:08:09,073 for my 15th birthday. 148 00:08:09,115 --> 00:08:11,534 "The Exorcist." 149 00:08:11,575 --> 00:08:14,120 Your mother's in here with us, Karras. 150 00:08:14,161 --> 00:08:16,122 Would you like to leave a message? 151 00:08:16,163 --> 00:08:18,624 It freaked me so badly 152 00:08:18,666 --> 00:08:22,044 that for the rest of my high school life, 153 00:08:22,086 --> 00:08:27,049 my friends made fun of me, and they would taunt me. 154 00:08:27,091 --> 00:08:31,637 "Dami. Dami. Dami, why you do this to me, Dami?" 155 00:08:31,679 --> 00:08:34,557 Dami. Why you do this to me? 156 00:08:34,598 --> 00:08:37,768 "Dami, why you do this to me, Dami?" 157 00:08:37,810 --> 00:08:39,854 You're not my mother! 158 00:08:39,895 --> 00:08:41,814 That movie scared me so much that I'm Jewish, 159 00:08:41,856 --> 00:08:43,649 and it made me believe in the devil. 160 00:08:43,691 --> 00:08:45,669 I would sleep with a rosary next to my bed every night. 161 00:08:47,236 --> 00:08:49,613 I have full-blown "Exorcist" PTSD, so... 162 00:08:49,655 --> 00:08:52,199 What an excellent day for an exorcism. 163 00:08:52,241 --> 00:08:56,495 The whole thing about "The Exorcist" was, like, 164 00:08:56,537 --> 00:08:59,749 it may be too intense for human beings. 165 00:08:59,790 --> 00:09:03,544 That it wasn't just a horror film in '73 166 00:09:03,586 --> 00:09:07,256 when it came out; it was... 167 00:09:07,298 --> 00:09:08,674 You were experiencing the devil. 168 00:09:08,716 --> 00:09:10,342 Yeah, and that people, like, 169 00:09:10,384 --> 00:09:13,220 committed suicide after they saw "The Exorcist," 170 00:09:13,262 --> 00:09:16,015 or people were put in insane asylums 171 00:09:16,057 --> 00:09:18,350 after they saw "The Exorcist," 172 00:09:18,392 --> 00:09:23,355 and every new issue of the "National Enquirer" had, 173 00:09:23,397 --> 00:09:27,401 you know, "My son went crazy and is in a straitjacket. 174 00:09:27,443 --> 00:09:30,654 How watching 'The Exorcist' ruined my life." 175 00:09:30,696 --> 00:09:32,281 I dream of reviews like that. 176 00:09:33,783 --> 00:09:35,993 People went back to the church in droves 177 00:09:36,035 --> 00:09:38,287 after that film came out. 178 00:09:38,329 --> 00:09:44,418 The world was afraid of this movie... 179 00:09:44,460 --> 00:09:46,170 and they were afraid of me, 180 00:09:46,212 --> 00:09:48,589 and they wanted to have answers about good and evil 181 00:09:48,631 --> 00:09:50,216 and was the devil really coming? 182 00:09:58,057 --> 00:09:59,892 There's no place to hide... your religion, 183 00:09:59,934 --> 00:10:01,685 your relationship to God. 184 00:10:01,727 --> 00:10:04,396 No, none of that. There's no safe haven anywhere. 185 00:10:04,438 --> 00:10:06,899 Even the afterlife isn't safe. I mean, you're gonna get there 186 00:10:06,941 --> 00:10:08,984 and be in hell like poor Father Damien. 187 00:10:09,026 --> 00:10:12,279 I mean, it's this idea that there's literally no escape, 188 00:10:12,321 --> 00:10:13,948 not even if you're dead. 189 00:10:13,989 --> 00:10:17,284 That is, you know, to me the idea of pure horror. 190 00:10:17,326 --> 00:10:18,994 No! 191 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,209 I think it's the greatest horror film ever made, 192 00:10:25,251 --> 00:10:27,395 and that's the horror film that I think that will never 193 00:10:27,419 --> 00:10:31,257 be duplicated, all right? I don't see... 194 00:10:31,298 --> 00:10:33,018 I agree. I don't think it'll ever be beat. 195 00:10:34,677 --> 00:10:36,554 "The Exorcist" drew on all the resources 196 00:10:36,595 --> 00:10:38,430 of Hollywood in the 1970s, 197 00:10:38,472 --> 00:10:41,016 one of the peak periods of American film. 198 00:10:41,058 --> 00:10:43,144 Decades later, 199 00:10:43,185 --> 00:10:46,188 a first-time director shooting in his house 200 00:10:46,230 --> 00:10:49,150 proved you don't need a big budget or special effects 201 00:10:49,191 --> 00:10:53,320 to bring a demonic possession to terrifying life. 202 00:10:53,362 --> 00:10:54,905 I can feel it watching me. 203 00:10:59,743 --> 00:11:01,787 In 2007, software engineer Oren Peli 204 00:11:01,829 --> 00:11:03,581 decided to make a low-budget movie 205 00:11:03,622 --> 00:11:05,791 about a demonic possession. 206 00:11:05,833 --> 00:11:08,544 The result was "Paranormal Activity," 207 00:11:08,586 --> 00:11:11,630 the most profitable film of all time, 208 00:11:11,672 --> 00:11:16,343 and one of the most unnerving movies ever made. 209 00:11:16,385 --> 00:11:18,470 Oren made the movie for $15,000. 210 00:11:18,512 --> 00:11:20,055 He shot it at his house. 211 00:11:20,097 --> 00:11:22,266 He had a crew of about three people. 212 00:11:22,308 --> 00:11:25,728 And the crew consisted of my girlfriend at the time, 213 00:11:25,769 --> 00:11:28,564 and then my best friend, Amir, I told him, 214 00:11:28,606 --> 00:11:30,000 "I'm gonna shoot a movie. Do you want to help me?" 215 00:11:30,024 --> 00:11:31,942 And he said, "Sure. It sounds fun, 216 00:11:31,984 --> 00:11:33,795 but I don't know anything about making movies." 217 00:11:33,819 --> 00:11:35,404 I said, "Perfect. Neither do I." 218 00:11:35,446 --> 00:11:36,989 All right, we're operational, babe. 219 00:11:37,031 --> 00:11:38,616 Ooh. 220 00:11:38,657 --> 00:11:41,035 Shot entirely in the found footage style, 221 00:11:41,076 --> 00:11:43,746 the story follows Micah and Katie, 222 00:11:43,787 --> 00:11:46,582 a young suburban couple who move into a new house 223 00:11:46,624 --> 00:11:48,500 that seems to be haunted. 224 00:11:48,542 --> 00:11:51,795 In fact, Katie is being tormented by a demon 225 00:11:51,837 --> 00:11:54,506 that feeds off of negative energy. 226 00:11:54,548 --> 00:11:57,218 both: 227 00:11:57,259 --> 00:11:58,510 out there. 228 00:11:58,552 --> 00:12:00,262 Aah! 229 00:12:00,304 --> 00:12:03,641 There is a difference between a ghost and a demon. 230 00:12:03,682 --> 00:12:07,311 Ghosts are simply the spirits of people who died. 231 00:12:07,353 --> 00:12:09,104 They don't want to move on, 232 00:12:09,146 --> 00:12:12,191 and they kind of linger around in their own dimension. 233 00:12:12,233 --> 00:12:15,152 But demons are inherently evil, 234 00:12:15,194 --> 00:12:17,404 want to possess people... 235 00:12:17,446 --> 00:12:19,657 Feel it? 236 00:12:19,698 --> 00:12:21,325 I feel it breathing on me. 237 00:12:21,367 --> 00:12:24,078 But a demon is attached to a person. 238 00:12:24,119 --> 00:12:26,121 Leaving the house doesn't really solve anything. 239 00:12:26,163 --> 00:12:28,183 They're still gonna follow you wherever you're gonna go. 240 00:12:28,207 --> 00:12:31,085 It's not the house. It's me. 241 00:12:31,126 --> 00:12:33,170 You know, wherever I go, it goes. 242 00:12:33,212 --> 00:12:34,797 Micah sets up cameras 243 00:12:34,838 --> 00:12:37,258 to record the supernatural events, 244 00:12:37,299 --> 00:12:39,093 which makes things worse. 245 00:12:39,134 --> 00:12:42,346 It felt very much like what would happen to anyone 246 00:12:42,388 --> 00:12:43,847 if they were going through that. 247 00:12:43,889 --> 00:12:45,432 What is your quest? 248 00:12:45,474 --> 00:12:47,309 The sounds, wanting to record it, 249 00:12:47,351 --> 00:12:49,311 playing with the Ouija board. 250 00:12:49,353 --> 00:12:51,021 Got something to say? 251 00:12:51,063 --> 00:12:52,165 - That moment... - When he was talking to 252 00:12:52,189 --> 00:12:53,732 - a Ouija board. - Yeah. 253 00:12:53,774 --> 00:12:54,793 - You're like... - Oh, I was like, 254 00:12:54,817 --> 00:12:56,277 "Run, mother. Run!" 255 00:12:57,528 --> 00:12:59,822 As the couple grows more desperate, 256 00:12:59,863 --> 00:13:01,865 the demon trying to possess Katie 257 00:13:01,907 --> 00:13:04,159 grows stronger and stronger. 258 00:13:04,201 --> 00:13:06,078 Just let's go. Please, let's go. 259 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,665 "Paranormal Activity" was a game-changer for me, 260 00:13:09,707 --> 00:13:13,961 because it just showed, with a minimalist approach, 261 00:13:14,003 --> 00:13:17,715 you can scare the out of people with mostly pacing... 262 00:13:17,756 --> 00:13:18,756 - Mm-hmm. - And the way 263 00:13:18,757 --> 00:13:20,259 you tell the story. 264 00:13:20,301 --> 00:13:21,927 I mean, like, what happens in that movie? 265 00:13:21,969 --> 00:13:24,054 A couple sheets come off, you know, the bed, 266 00:13:24,096 --> 00:13:26,557 the girl gets pulled through the door, 267 00:13:26,598 --> 00:13:30,853 and yet, when they come up on, like, day 28 or whatnot, 268 00:13:30,894 --> 00:13:32,896 and you know some about to go down, 269 00:13:32,938 --> 00:13:34,857 I remember the entire audience 270 00:13:34,898 --> 00:13:37,026 going, "Ohhh." 271 00:13:37,067 --> 00:13:38,944 Aaaaaahhhhh! 272 00:13:38,986 --> 00:13:41,071 Oh... 273 00:13:41,113 --> 00:13:42,674 There's something about the vulnerability 274 00:13:42,698 --> 00:13:44,700 that you have while you're asleep, 275 00:13:44,742 --> 00:13:47,453 and which I think is something very kind of 276 00:13:47,494 --> 00:13:51,081 engrained in human nature from the days we were cavemen, 277 00:13:51,123 --> 00:13:52,976 and you don't know if a tiger is gonna come into your cave 278 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,627 and kill you while you're asleep. 279 00:13:55,669 --> 00:13:58,964 And the fact that that movie shattered that space and said, 280 00:13:59,006 --> 00:14:00,674 "Well, when you go home tonight, 281 00:14:00,716 --> 00:14:02,885 "you're gonna be thinking about what this couple 282 00:14:02,926 --> 00:14:05,554 endured in that bedroom," it's incredibly effective. 283 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,518 "Paranormal Activity's" goal was simple: 284 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:13,479 to scare the audience. 285 00:14:15,898 --> 00:14:17,483 Jen? 286 00:14:17,524 --> 00:14:19,318 The horror/comedy "Jennifer's Body" 287 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,821 had a serious and uniquely feminist agenda, 288 00:14:22,863 --> 00:14:24,740 using demonic possession 289 00:14:24,782 --> 00:14:27,493 to comment on the hell of being a teenage girl 290 00:14:27,534 --> 00:14:29,536 in a culture obsessed with appearance. 291 00:14:29,578 --> 00:14:31,830 Hi, Jennifer. You look really pretty. 292 00:14:31,872 --> 00:14:34,458 What up, Craig? 293 00:14:34,500 --> 00:14:39,004 Jennifer is a alpha female bitch 294 00:14:39,046 --> 00:14:41,340 who is beautiful and popular, 295 00:14:41,382 --> 00:14:45,969 and Needy is her worshipful nerdy friend. 296 00:14:46,011 --> 00:14:48,263 Jennifer is actually a really intelligent, 297 00:14:48,305 --> 00:14:52,184 clever, interesting person, but nobody cares about that. 298 00:14:52,226 --> 00:14:55,479 Jennifer is cursed before she is cursed, 299 00:14:55,521 --> 00:14:58,982 because all people can do is look at her, 300 00:14:59,024 --> 00:15:01,402 as opposed to engage with her. 301 00:15:01,443 --> 00:15:05,030 It's an incredibly dehumanized place to be living in. 302 00:15:05,072 --> 00:15:06,573 She does have this incredible power 303 00:15:06,615 --> 00:15:08,409 that comes with her beauty. She uses it. 304 00:15:08,450 --> 00:15:11,912 These are like smart bombs, okay? 305 00:15:11,954 --> 00:15:13,306 You point them in the right direction, 306 00:15:13,330 --> 00:15:15,791 and gets real. 307 00:15:15,833 --> 00:15:18,252 But it's not nearly as satisfying to her 308 00:15:18,293 --> 00:15:22,297 as when she actually gets these supernatural powers. 309 00:15:22,339 --> 00:15:27,719 Jennifer is the victim of a demonic ritual gone wrong. 310 00:15:27,761 --> 00:15:30,264 This rock band, in an attempt to become famous... 311 00:15:30,305 --> 00:15:31,574 Do you know how hard it is to make it 312 00:15:31,598 --> 00:15:33,434 as an indie band these days? 313 00:15:33,475 --> 00:15:36,520 Attempt to murder her because they think she is a virgin 314 00:15:36,562 --> 00:15:38,647 and that they are sacrificing a virgin. 315 00:15:42,734 --> 00:15:44,153 But she is not a virgin, 316 00:15:44,194 --> 00:15:46,989 and as a result, the spell goes haywire, 317 00:15:47,030 --> 00:15:50,200 and Jennifer is possessed by a demon 318 00:15:50,242 --> 00:15:53,203 and starts eating boys to satisfy the demon, 319 00:15:53,245 --> 00:15:54,830 and Needy has to stop her. 320 00:15:56,957 --> 00:15:59,168 I am rooting for Jennifer when I watch the movie. 321 00:16:00,461 --> 00:16:03,547 This idea of just being, like, hot and invincible... 322 00:16:03,589 --> 00:16:06,133 I feel so scrumptious. 323 00:16:06,175 --> 00:16:09,094 Was about how teenage girls are objectified, 324 00:16:09,136 --> 00:16:13,182 it was about female sexual appetites. 325 00:16:13,223 --> 00:16:15,058 It was about the idea 326 00:16:15,100 --> 00:16:16,685 of puberty being a transformative thing 327 00:16:16,727 --> 00:16:18,812 and using a sort of a monstrous transformation 328 00:16:18,854 --> 00:16:20,272 as a way of talking about that. 329 00:16:22,649 --> 00:16:24,526 Are you scared? 330 00:16:24,568 --> 00:16:26,862 The notion of the female as monstrous 331 00:16:26,904 --> 00:16:30,491 in itself has been a central tenet of horror, 332 00:16:30,532 --> 00:16:32,034 and that's what remains 333 00:16:32,075 --> 00:16:34,870 profoundly meaningful to me about horror 334 00:16:34,912 --> 00:16:39,041 is it's one of the few genres that's had the guts to say, 335 00:16:39,082 --> 00:16:43,128 as a culture, we are terrified of women and girls. 336 00:16:43,170 --> 00:16:44,213 Hi. 337 00:16:48,634 --> 00:16:50,302 But it was so freeing for me 338 00:16:50,344 --> 00:16:52,888 to be able to explore those themes in a completely 339 00:16:52,930 --> 00:16:55,516 just heightened gory bananas atmosphere. 340 00:16:55,557 --> 00:16:57,660 You know, they have this fight at the end of the movie, 341 00:16:57,684 --> 00:17:00,938 and Needy stabs Jennifer in the heart, 342 00:17:00,979 --> 00:17:02,564 and it's like my way of saying, like, 343 00:17:02,606 --> 00:17:04,858 "You're all staring at this girl's breasts..." 344 00:17:04,900 --> 00:17:07,986 - My tit. - No. Your heart. 345 00:17:08,028 --> 00:17:10,072 But what this is really about is her feelings. 346 00:17:10,113 --> 00:17:13,784 You don't get to do over-the-top stuff like that 347 00:17:13,825 --> 00:17:15,327 in a more understated genre. 348 00:17:15,369 --> 00:17:16,954 You can only do that in a horror movie. 349 00:17:16,995 --> 00:17:19,873 You know what? You were never a good friend. 350 00:17:21,208 --> 00:17:23,043 "Jennifer's Body" got a mixed reception 351 00:17:23,085 --> 00:17:24,753 on its release, 352 00:17:24,795 --> 00:17:27,130 but the director's cut is now a cult favorite. 353 00:17:27,172 --> 00:17:28,674 You got a tampon? 354 00:17:28,715 --> 00:17:31,134 Stylistically, it owes a debt 355 00:17:31,176 --> 00:17:34,638 to one of the most influential cult movies of all time: 356 00:17:37,099 --> 00:17:38,684 "The Evil Dead." 357 00:17:43,772 --> 00:17:45,732 When it comes to demonic possession movies, 358 00:17:45,774 --> 00:17:49,027 few can match the manic energy and no-holds-barred horror 359 00:17:49,069 --> 00:17:52,197 of Sam Raimi's film, "The Evil Dead." 360 00:17:52,239 --> 00:17:54,992 Hey, Scotty, what's this place like, anyway? 361 00:17:55,033 --> 00:17:56,618 Well, the guy that's renting it says 362 00:17:56,660 --> 00:17:58,704 it's an old place... a little run down, 363 00:17:58,745 --> 00:18:00,831 but it's right up in the mountains. 364 00:18:00,872 --> 00:18:02,749 "The Evil Dead" is about a group 365 00:18:02,791 --> 00:18:06,962 of fairly dumb college kids who go out to a remote cabin 366 00:18:07,004 --> 00:18:10,173 in the woods to have a fun little break. 367 00:18:10,215 --> 00:18:11,967 They see the cabin. They should be running 368 00:18:12,009 --> 00:18:13,695 in the opposite direction to the nearest Motel 6, 369 00:18:13,719 --> 00:18:16,638 but instead, they go in. They promptly find 370 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,349 a reel-to-reel recorder in the basement, 371 00:18:19,391 --> 00:18:20,892 which of course they play. 372 00:18:22,936 --> 00:18:24,855 It contains demonic incantations 373 00:18:24,896 --> 00:18:27,065 that wake up the dead. 374 00:18:27,107 --> 00:18:29,109 Shut it off! 375 00:18:29,151 --> 00:18:30,902 Oh, my God! 376 00:18:30,944 --> 00:18:34,448 Dead rise and proceed to possess these kids 377 00:18:34,489 --> 00:18:37,743 one by one, and carnage and mayhem ensues. 378 00:18:39,077 --> 00:18:40,454 Oh! 379 00:18:40,495 --> 00:18:42,706 It seems like the simplest setup, 380 00:18:42,748 --> 00:18:45,250 but man, oh, man, it was relentless. 381 00:18:45,292 --> 00:18:47,085 And you're just, like, blown away. 382 00:18:47,127 --> 00:18:50,422 Why have you disturbed our sleep, 383 00:18:50,464 --> 00:18:54,718 awakened us from our ancient slumber? 384 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:56,386 You will die! 385 00:18:56,428 --> 00:19:00,015 What is fascinating about the possession genre 386 00:19:00,057 --> 00:19:03,935 of horror films is your loved one 387 00:19:03,977 --> 00:19:06,730 is not who you assumed they were. 388 00:19:10,567 --> 00:19:13,111 That's the most terrifying thing, 389 00:19:13,153 --> 00:19:15,447 and we saw that to wonderful effect 390 00:19:15,489 --> 00:19:17,032 in both of the "Evil Dead" films. 391 00:19:23,455 --> 00:19:26,583 And it was this grainy, 16-millimeter movie 392 00:19:26,625 --> 00:19:29,670 that you could tell was, like, made by amateurs 393 00:19:29,711 --> 00:19:31,672 with that kind of, like, single-spotlight lighting 394 00:19:31,713 --> 00:19:33,090 and everything else. 395 00:19:35,801 --> 00:19:38,512 But at the same time was really scary, 396 00:19:38,553 --> 00:19:40,681 and... I mean, Sam was trying to make a scary movie. 397 00:19:42,683 --> 00:19:46,895 The first person had to get injured by one of these demons, 398 00:19:46,937 --> 00:19:49,940 so we did it the first character's kneeling down, 399 00:19:49,981 --> 00:19:53,443 and the demon gets a pencil and stabs it in the ankle. 400 00:19:56,947 --> 00:19:59,324 That one got a big reaction out of the audience, 401 00:19:59,366 --> 00:20:01,076 'cause I don't think they knew 402 00:20:01,118 --> 00:20:04,246 how visceral the movie was gonna be until it started. 403 00:20:04,287 --> 00:20:07,040 I fear that the only way to stop those possessed 404 00:20:07,082 --> 00:20:08,667 by the spirits of the book 405 00:20:08,709 --> 00:20:11,420 is through the act of bodily dismemberment. 406 00:20:11,461 --> 00:20:13,755 So whenever you hear that you can only stop something 407 00:20:13,797 --> 00:20:15,441 through bodily dismemberment, you know you're gonna be in 408 00:20:15,465 --> 00:20:18,009 for a good show of gore and horror, right? 409 00:20:24,516 --> 00:20:26,184 Ohh! Ohh! 410 00:20:28,103 --> 00:20:31,982 There is always the standard aspect of the scream queen... 411 00:20:35,777 --> 00:20:37,571 Sam wanted to up it. 412 00:20:37,612 --> 00:20:41,450 He thought it was one thing to have a woman scream, 413 00:20:41,491 --> 00:20:44,494 but what if you made a man scream like a girl? 414 00:20:49,916 --> 00:20:51,710 Like, "I want it to be that horrifying." 415 00:20:57,382 --> 00:20:59,551 There was also something else about "Evil Dead" 416 00:20:59,593 --> 00:21:01,887 that made it particularly cool was, 417 00:21:01,928 --> 00:21:03,388 well, you had to get it. 418 00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:05,432 Not everyone could get it. 419 00:21:08,351 --> 00:21:10,312 It was cheap, 420 00:21:10,353 --> 00:21:13,607 so you had to be able to not just look beyond that; 421 00:21:13,648 --> 00:21:15,901 you had to embrace it. 422 00:21:19,196 --> 00:21:21,531 It is scary, but there is a really weird 423 00:21:21,573 --> 00:21:25,494 sense of humor that, if you're not in line with it, 424 00:21:25,535 --> 00:21:27,954 you're gonna think, "Oh, that's just a piece of junk." 425 00:21:30,832 --> 00:21:33,418 In 1981, "The Evil Dead" 426 00:21:33,460 --> 00:21:35,962 launched the career of its gifted director, 427 00:21:36,004 --> 00:21:38,340 21-year-old Sam Raimi. 428 00:21:39,758 --> 00:21:43,595 Six years later, Raimi returned with "Evil Dead 2," 429 00:21:43,637 --> 00:21:47,557 a wildly creative remake of the first film. 430 00:21:47,599 --> 00:21:49,309 With "Evil Dead 2" in particular, 431 00:21:49,351 --> 00:21:50,977 I think Sam Raimi just said, 432 00:21:51,019 --> 00:21:53,104 "You know what? Let's just go for it." 433 00:21:54,773 --> 00:21:56,358 Let's just embrace the fun. 434 00:21:57,317 --> 00:21:59,236 You're bitten by your girlfriend, 435 00:21:59,277 --> 00:22:01,238 who's possessed, your hand's gonna get possessed, 436 00:22:01,279 --> 00:22:02,989 so your hand's gonna attack you. 437 00:22:07,410 --> 00:22:08,995 It was just a long, grueling sequence. 438 00:22:14,543 --> 00:22:16,127 It's like, get the Three Stooges, 439 00:22:16,169 --> 00:22:17,504 but give them a chainsaw... 440 00:22:19,798 --> 00:22:21,758 And see what would happen. 441 00:22:30,225 --> 00:22:31,977 Groovy. 442 00:22:32,018 --> 00:22:36,147 If you're a movie-mad young guy in your early 20s 443 00:22:36,189 --> 00:22:38,817 and you see "Evil Dead 2," 444 00:22:38,859 --> 00:22:40,944 and you see that shooting style, 445 00:22:40,986 --> 00:22:43,154 it's like, "Well, what's the point 446 00:22:43,196 --> 00:22:45,740 of ever shooting any movie not like that?" 447 00:22:45,782 --> 00:22:47,659 - I know. - All right? That seemed like, 448 00:22:47,701 --> 00:22:49,995 "Okay, a new shooting style has been developed, 449 00:22:50,036 --> 00:22:52,581 and everything else looks old-fashioned by comparison." 450 00:22:54,374 --> 00:22:56,293 Every single thing just seems 451 00:22:56,334 --> 00:22:58,044 old-fashioned and dated 452 00:22:58,086 --> 00:22:59,504 unless you're doing that. 453 00:23:04,718 --> 00:23:06,636 "The Evil Dead" pitted a regular guy 454 00:23:06,678 --> 00:23:08,805 against a horde of demons, 455 00:23:08,847 --> 00:23:10,640 but what chance do you have 456 00:23:10,682 --> 00:23:13,560 when you're up against Satan himself? 457 00:23:18,565 --> 00:23:20,150 Christianity teaches 458 00:23:20,191 --> 00:23:21,586 that Jesus Christ was the son of God, 459 00:23:21,610 --> 00:23:23,153 born of mortal woman. 460 00:23:23,194 --> 00:23:25,405 What if Satan decided that he too 461 00:23:25,447 --> 00:23:27,240 would father a child? 462 00:23:27,282 --> 00:23:31,411 In 1968, Roman Polanski's film "Rosemary's Baby" 463 00:23:31,453 --> 00:23:34,998 explored the links between pregnancy, parenthood, 464 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,584 and demonic possession. 465 00:23:37,626 --> 00:23:39,461 You're pregnant. 466 00:23:39,502 --> 00:23:41,963 "Rosemary's Baby" is a really interesting film, 467 00:23:42,005 --> 00:23:44,132 because, artistically, it's one of the best films 468 00:23:44,174 --> 00:23:46,509 to come out in that era and probably ever. 469 00:23:46,551 --> 00:23:50,555 - I'm Rosemary Woodhouse. - Uh, we're in 7E. 470 00:23:50,597 --> 00:23:53,391 That movie made $30 million 471 00:23:53,433 --> 00:23:56,895 back when movies didn't make $30 million, 472 00:23:56,937 --> 00:23:59,230 not in their first run. 473 00:23:59,272 --> 00:24:04,110 I mean, if a movie made $12 million, "Oh, wow." 474 00:24:04,152 --> 00:24:06,196 - That's a huge hit. - That's a smash. 475 00:24:06,237 --> 00:24:08,281 - It's a phenomenon. - It was a phenomenon. 476 00:24:08,323 --> 00:24:10,033 And the devil had never been dealt with 477 00:24:10,075 --> 00:24:13,203 in that realistic a form before. 478 00:24:13,244 --> 00:24:15,121 It's a hugely important film, 479 00:24:15,163 --> 00:24:16,665 because it's portraying a woman 480 00:24:16,706 --> 00:24:19,542 at the height of second-wave feminism. 481 00:24:19,584 --> 00:24:22,170 It also coincides with a rise in interest 482 00:24:22,212 --> 00:24:24,965 in all kinds of alternative religions and occultism 483 00:24:25,006 --> 00:24:26,633 that was happening in the '60s. 484 00:24:26,675 --> 00:24:29,010 It was a period where there was, you know, 485 00:24:29,052 --> 00:24:31,513 questioning, you know, God, the existence of God. 486 00:24:31,554 --> 00:24:33,139 I think it was even on "Time" magazine, 487 00:24:33,181 --> 00:24:34,683 you know, "Is God Dead?" 488 00:24:34,724 --> 00:24:37,102 No, you're not religious, my dear, are you? 489 00:24:37,143 --> 00:24:40,522 I was brought up a Catholic. Now I don't know. 490 00:24:40,563 --> 00:24:42,190 In "Rosemary's Baby," 491 00:24:42,232 --> 00:24:44,859 the heroine is drugged by Satanists. 492 00:24:44,901 --> 00:24:47,821 Then the devil literally enters her through rape. 493 00:24:47,862 --> 00:24:50,323 - She's awake. She sees. - Can't see or hear. 494 00:24:50,365 --> 00:24:52,242 She's like dead. Now sing. 495 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,288 Rosemary becomes pregnant with Satan's child. 496 00:24:57,330 --> 00:25:00,917 This is no dream. This is really happening! 497 00:25:00,959 --> 00:25:04,004 "Rosemary's Baby" was a possession movie. 498 00:25:04,045 --> 00:25:07,382 It was about someone carrying the seed of Satan within her 499 00:25:07,424 --> 00:25:09,551 and giving birth to Satan's child. 500 00:25:09,592 --> 00:25:14,764 This is actually how Satan or his minions 501 00:25:14,806 --> 00:25:16,933 can infest each of us 502 00:25:16,975 --> 00:25:19,519 and draw out the evil within us. 503 00:25:19,561 --> 00:25:21,813 It, to me, remains a metaphor 504 00:25:21,855 --> 00:25:24,024 about domestic violence, 505 00:25:24,065 --> 00:25:27,360 about emotional violence in relationships 506 00:25:27,402 --> 00:25:28,945 between men and women, 507 00:25:28,987 --> 00:25:31,448 largely inflicted by men onto women. 508 00:25:31,489 --> 00:25:32,842 I didn't want to miss baby night. 509 00:25:32,866 --> 00:25:34,367 You... while I was out? 510 00:25:34,409 --> 00:25:36,077 And a couple of my nails were ragged, 511 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,123 and it was kind of fun in a necrophile sort of way. 512 00:25:42,083 --> 00:25:43,978 When I saw "Rosemary's Baby" when I was very young, 513 00:25:44,002 --> 00:25:46,313 I don't think I thought, "Oh, this is female consciousness," 514 00:25:46,337 --> 00:25:49,132 but obviously, there aren't that many movies 515 00:25:49,174 --> 00:25:52,343 from within a young woman's point of view. 516 00:25:52,385 --> 00:25:55,013 We know Polanski's guilty of all these things 517 00:25:55,055 --> 00:25:57,724 in his personal life, but as a filmmaker, 518 00:25:57,766 --> 00:26:00,769 he's incredibly sympathetic to the female point of view. 519 00:26:00,810 --> 00:26:02,687 And the relationship between Rosemary 520 00:26:02,729 --> 00:26:04,981 and her husband is fantastic. 521 00:26:04,982 --> 00:26:07,526 John Cassavetes' amazing performance 522 00:26:07,567 --> 00:26:09,194 as the desperate actor 523 00:26:09,235 --> 00:26:11,488 who will do anything to get that big break. 524 00:26:11,529 --> 00:26:13,531 Let's have a baby, all right? 525 00:26:13,573 --> 00:26:15,366 Rosemary's very much the lovely, 526 00:26:15,408 --> 00:26:17,660 submissive wife who is there to help her husband out, 527 00:26:17,702 --> 00:26:19,537 and what that gets her 528 00:26:19,579 --> 00:26:22,082 is getting impregnated by the devil. 529 00:26:22,123 --> 00:26:24,167 Her husband basically sells her to Satan 530 00:26:24,209 --> 00:26:26,127 in exchange for a Broadway hit. 531 00:26:26,169 --> 00:26:28,713 Oh, I got the part. 532 00:26:28,755 --> 00:26:31,674 It was a hell of a way to get it. 533 00:26:33,343 --> 00:26:34,945 One of the things I really love about horror 534 00:26:34,969 --> 00:26:37,222 and the nightmares that it touches on 535 00:26:37,263 --> 00:26:40,850 are the idea of security and a stable, normal place 536 00:26:40,892 --> 00:26:43,019 that turns out to be a place of danger, 537 00:26:43,061 --> 00:26:46,731 or a person who seems to be a friendly person. 538 00:26:46,773 --> 00:26:48,413 And, of course, one of the greatest things 539 00:26:48,441 --> 00:26:49,943 in "Rosemary's Baby" is the neighbors. 540 00:26:51,694 --> 00:26:54,114 The central figure in this patriarchal crush 541 00:26:54,155 --> 00:26:55,740 is Ruth Gordon. 542 00:26:55,782 --> 00:26:58,159 Hi there! We're not bothering you, are we? 543 00:26:58,201 --> 00:27:00,537 I heard you come in. It certainly wasn't very long. 544 00:27:00,578 --> 00:27:02,622 - Ta-da! - Who comes in with her 545 00:27:02,664 --> 00:27:04,457 multicolored scarves and her accent 546 00:27:04,499 --> 00:27:07,627 and delivers a series of death blows 547 00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:11,131 to everything that poor Rosemary stands for. 548 00:27:11,172 --> 00:27:13,758 - Here. - What is in it? Tannis root? 549 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,095 A little bit of that, a little bit some other things. 550 00:27:17,137 --> 00:27:19,764 They're the kind of neighbors you kind of... all right... 551 00:27:19,806 --> 00:27:21,158 You sort of want to avoid them... 552 00:27:21,182 --> 00:27:22,517 - Yeah. - But you're nice to them. 553 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:24,102 - They're nosy... - They're harmless. 554 00:27:24,144 --> 00:27:26,146 They're harmless, and that they are, you know, 555 00:27:26,187 --> 00:27:27,689 essentially agents of the... 556 00:27:27,730 --> 00:27:29,357 - of the devil. - The devil. 557 00:27:29,399 --> 00:27:31,067 We're your friends, Rosemary. 558 00:27:31,109 --> 00:27:33,111 There's nothing to be afraid of, Rosemary. 559 00:27:33,153 --> 00:27:34,821 Honest and truly there isn't. 560 00:27:34,863 --> 00:27:37,073 Another thing that I think young women 561 00:27:37,115 --> 00:27:39,242 really can relate to in "Rosemary's Baby," 562 00:27:39,284 --> 00:27:41,411 - no one believes her. - One thing is for sure. 563 00:27:41,452 --> 00:27:43,705 They have a coven, and they want my baby. 564 00:27:43,746 --> 00:27:47,041 Certainly seems that way. 565 00:27:47,083 --> 00:27:49,085 To me, there's no scarier moment in the movie 566 00:27:49,127 --> 00:27:51,713 than when you realize her doctor is... 567 00:27:51,754 --> 00:27:53,423 has turned on her. 568 00:27:53,464 --> 00:27:54,924 That feeling of the person 569 00:27:54,966 --> 00:27:56,443 that you've put your ultimate trust in, 570 00:27:56,467 --> 00:27:58,052 like your obstetrician, this guy who's, 571 00:27:58,094 --> 00:27:59,572 like, tending to your body and your femininity, 572 00:27:59,596 --> 00:28:02,432 and he is handing you over to the satanists. 573 00:28:02,473 --> 00:28:04,309 We're gonna go home and rest. 574 00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:05,852 That's all it takes. 575 00:28:05,894 --> 00:28:08,104 Nothing supernatural happens, actually, 576 00:28:08,146 --> 00:28:10,315 for the entire course of the movie. 577 00:28:10,356 --> 00:28:12,233 You know, she could just be paranoid. 578 00:28:12,275 --> 00:28:16,613 She could be suffering from some weird pregnancy delusions. 579 00:28:24,245 --> 00:28:26,998 What have you done to it? 580 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,917 What have you done to its eyes? 581 00:28:28,958 --> 00:28:31,169 He has his father's eyes. 582 00:28:31,211 --> 00:28:33,129 It's not until she actually says, 583 00:28:33,171 --> 00:28:35,547 "What have you done to his eyes?" 584 00:28:35,548 --> 00:28:39,594 that there is finally a physical manifestation 585 00:28:39,636 --> 00:28:40,970 of what she's been talking about. 586 00:28:41,012 --> 00:28:42,847 - God is dead! - Hail Satan! 587 00:28:42,889 --> 00:28:44,766 Satan lives! 588 00:28:44,807 --> 00:28:47,393 I made the mistake of showing it to my wife 589 00:28:47,435 --> 00:28:49,979 after I got her impregnated. 590 00:28:50,021 --> 00:28:51,981 Oh, God! 591 00:28:52,023 --> 00:28:53,441 She's like, "I've never seen it." 592 00:28:53,483 --> 00:28:54,835 "What? You've never seen 'Rosemary's Baby'? 593 00:28:54,859 --> 00:28:56,569 We're watching 'Rosemary's Baby. "" 594 00:28:56,611 --> 00:28:57,987 I didn't think about how weird 595 00:28:58,029 --> 00:29:00,156 that might be for someone who was pregnant, 596 00:29:00,198 --> 00:29:01,950 and it really played on her fears 597 00:29:01,991 --> 00:29:07,288 that we were gonna have the antichrist as a child. 598 00:29:07,330 --> 00:29:08,915 Uh, it was a bad call. 599 00:29:08,957 --> 00:29:10,583 "Rosemary's Baby" is a movie 600 00:29:10,625 --> 00:29:13,086 about the dark side of pregnancy. 601 00:29:13,127 --> 00:29:14,796 Richard Donner's film "The Omen" 602 00:29:14,837 --> 00:29:16,923 takes things one step further 603 00:29:16,965 --> 00:29:18,925 with a violent vision of parents 604 00:29:18,967 --> 00:29:22,303 at the mercy of the ultimate problem child: 605 00:29:22,345 --> 00:29:24,514 the spawn of Satan. 606 00:29:28,142 --> 00:29:29,560 When the Jews return to Zion 607 00:29:29,602 --> 00:29:32,563 "and a comet fills the sky, 608 00:29:32,605 --> 00:29:35,650 "the Holy Roman Empire rises, 609 00:29:35,692 --> 00:29:38,111 and you and I must die." 610 00:29:38,152 --> 00:29:41,447 Released in 1976, Richard Donner's film 611 00:29:41,489 --> 00:29:45,326 "The Omen" revolves around every parent's secret fear: 612 00:29:45,368 --> 00:29:49,455 that their sweet young child is a demon in disguise. 613 00:29:50,415 --> 00:29:54,168 "The Omen" is the story of an American diplomat, 614 00:29:54,210 --> 00:29:56,254 played by Gregory Peck, 615 00:29:56,296 --> 00:29:58,756 who takes a child home from the hospital 616 00:29:58,798 --> 00:30:02,802 that is not his own and sets up shop 617 00:30:02,844 --> 00:30:05,388 and seems to have this beautiful life in England, 618 00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:07,348 and then the whole thing starts to unravel, 619 00:30:07,390 --> 00:30:08,725 and we discover that the child 620 00:30:08,766 --> 00:30:11,436 is actually the son of the devil. 621 00:30:11,477 --> 00:30:13,354 "The Omen" is like my hands-down 622 00:30:13,396 --> 00:30:16,107 favorite horror movie. 623 00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:19,277 It's intellectually a little bit above par 624 00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:21,195 than the average thing you would watch 625 00:30:21,237 --> 00:30:23,156 at the video store, right? 626 00:30:23,197 --> 00:30:25,199 Right. It was a big-budget movie. 627 00:30:25,241 --> 00:30:26,617 Richard Donner. It was a huge deal. 628 00:30:26,659 --> 00:30:28,137 Yeah, and Gregory Peck is great in it. 629 00:30:28,161 --> 00:30:29,495 Lee Remick's great in it. 630 00:30:29,537 --> 00:30:31,956 So I just thought it hit on all... you know, 631 00:30:31,998 --> 00:30:35,460 the quality was really high on all the different facets. 632 00:30:35,501 --> 00:30:37,378 Gregory Peck in a horror movie. 633 00:30:37,420 --> 00:30:38,921 That was kind of a big deal, 634 00:30:38,963 --> 00:30:40,214 having an actor of his stature. 635 00:30:40,256 --> 00:30:42,175 It was a '50s-era, 636 00:30:42,216 --> 00:30:45,678 established older Hollywood legend 637 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,430 that was now appearing in this horror film, 638 00:30:47,472 --> 00:30:50,475 and he gave it, along with Lee Remick, 639 00:30:50,516 --> 00:30:53,102 gave it this patina of class. 640 00:30:53,144 --> 00:30:56,773 Peck was going through a terrible time in his life. 641 00:30:56,814 --> 00:30:58,566 His son was found dead. 642 00:30:58,608 --> 00:31:00,943 He was so devastated, 643 00:31:00,985 --> 00:31:03,988 and his agent said, "I got to get him out. 644 00:31:04,030 --> 00:31:05,990 "I got to get him up on his feet. 645 00:31:06,032 --> 00:31:07,700 I got to get him working." 646 00:31:07,742 --> 00:31:11,037 We pitched him, "Greg, it's a strong mystery, 647 00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:12,955 the suspense is incredible, 648 00:31:12,997 --> 00:31:15,291 and on top of it, it's a thriller." 649 00:31:15,333 --> 00:31:18,002 Damien, the adopted boy in "The Omen," 650 00:31:18,044 --> 00:31:21,464 does not seem to be aware that the devil is inside him, 651 00:31:21,506 --> 00:31:23,174 but as he grows older, 652 00:31:23,216 --> 00:31:26,386 Satan's agents begin infiltrating his life. 653 00:31:26,427 --> 00:31:29,764 They send a sinister Rottweiler to protect him, 654 00:31:29,806 --> 00:31:31,974 and, in an infamous scene, 655 00:31:32,016 --> 00:31:35,812 they possess his nanny at his fifth birthday party. 656 00:31:35,853 --> 00:31:38,648 - Look at me, Damien. - "Damien, this is for you." 657 00:31:38,689 --> 00:31:40,233 - It's all for you. - Like... 658 00:31:40,274 --> 00:31:42,902 she kills herself at the kid's party. 659 00:31:47,615 --> 00:31:49,700 In "The Omen," we don't really know 660 00:31:49,742 --> 00:31:52,328 that Damien is the antichrist. 661 00:31:52,370 --> 00:31:55,415 Neither does Gregory Peck. It's not until somewhere 662 00:31:55,456 --> 00:31:58,000 towards the beginning of the second half 663 00:31:58,042 --> 00:32:00,586 that you really come to terms with the fact 664 00:32:00,628 --> 00:32:03,673 that they're harboring the antichrist. 665 00:32:09,595 --> 00:32:11,722 So the movie has a story to tell, 666 00:32:11,764 --> 00:32:16,352 and then it's gonna be, "What do they do about it?" 667 00:32:16,394 --> 00:32:20,231 They cast it well. They cast the son of the devil well. 668 00:32:20,273 --> 00:32:23,651 - Mom! - Damien... stop! 669 00:32:23,693 --> 00:32:25,212 When you can get, like, a good performance 670 00:32:25,236 --> 00:32:26,737 out of children in a horror movie, 671 00:32:26,779 --> 00:32:28,322 there's, like, nothing more effective. 672 00:32:32,869 --> 00:32:35,538 There's just something inherently creepy about kids. 673 00:32:35,580 --> 00:32:37,248 Even my own children, 674 00:32:37,290 --> 00:32:39,208 if they wake me up in the middle of the night, 675 00:32:39,250 --> 00:32:40,811 and they're just standing motionless next to the bed, 676 00:32:40,835 --> 00:32:44,589 I'm briefly scared, and I made them. 677 00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:47,758 Casting that child, we did one scene where I said, 678 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,512 "I'm gonna grab you, and you want to get away." 679 00:32:51,554 --> 00:32:53,514 Grabbed this kid, went rolling, 680 00:32:53,556 --> 00:32:55,475 and he kicked me in my privates... 681 00:32:58,019 --> 00:32:59,312 Oh! 682 00:33:02,690 --> 00:33:05,776 So hard that I just threw my hands up 683 00:33:05,818 --> 00:33:08,529 and said, "Cut! Hire him." 684 00:33:08,571 --> 00:33:11,532 Aaahh! 685 00:33:13,701 --> 00:33:16,370 After Damien nearly kills his mother, 686 00:33:16,412 --> 00:33:19,624 Peck's character searches for the boy's true parents. 687 00:33:19,665 --> 00:33:21,626 His quest triggers an avalanche 688 00:33:21,667 --> 00:33:23,961 of violence and death. 689 00:33:24,003 --> 00:33:25,713 Aaah! 690 00:33:25,755 --> 00:33:27,798 The spectacular staging of these scenes 691 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,509 is one of the reasons 692 00:33:29,550 --> 00:33:31,677 "The Omen" is considered a horror classic. 693 00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:38,100 I wasn't prepared for how scary it was gonna get. 694 00:33:38,142 --> 00:33:40,228 Forget about the gore and everything. 695 00:33:40,269 --> 00:33:42,438 That... didn't see that coming at all. 696 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,916 - You know, just the... - The dog, the music. 697 00:33:43,940 --> 00:33:46,943 The Rottweilers surrounding them 698 00:33:46,984 --> 00:33:48,402 in the graveyard was, like, 699 00:33:48,444 --> 00:33:49,588 "Oh, my God, what's gonna happen?" 700 00:33:55,409 --> 00:33:57,411 But then, the decapitations. 701 00:33:57,453 --> 00:34:00,540 I mean, that just... that was very scary. 702 00:34:07,755 --> 00:34:09,048 I never saw that coming. 703 00:34:11,342 --> 00:34:13,594 At the end of the movie, we dropped the camera, 704 00:34:13,636 --> 00:34:15,596 and it revealed the back of the kid, 705 00:34:15,638 --> 00:34:17,723 which I was right behind the camera. 706 00:34:17,765 --> 00:34:20,142 Kid turned and looked at me, 707 00:34:20,184 --> 00:34:22,228 and he had this severe face on, 708 00:34:22,270 --> 00:34:26,357 and I said, "Don't you smile. Don't you dare smile." 709 00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:29,569 And he started to fight the smile, 710 00:34:29,610 --> 00:34:32,738 and then he couldn't fight it anymore, and he kind of lit up. 711 00:34:32,780 --> 00:34:36,325 It was like, blow up, the end of a movie. 712 00:34:36,367 --> 00:34:39,328 Was this real? Am I really the devil? 713 00:34:39,370 --> 00:34:44,792 Did this really happen? And it changed the whole movie. 714 00:34:44,834 --> 00:34:48,421 I never had children. They scare the hell out of me. 715 00:34:48,462 --> 00:34:51,424 At their core, possession movies are about 716 00:34:51,465 --> 00:34:53,384 the fear of losing yourself, 717 00:34:53,426 --> 00:34:56,596 of a demon taking control of your body and your mind. 718 00:34:56,637 --> 00:34:58,222 I can't move. 719 00:34:58,264 --> 00:35:01,392 In 2017, Jordan Peele's "Get Out" 720 00:35:01,434 --> 00:35:06,522 took that idea and used it to hold a mirror up to America. 721 00:35:09,525 --> 00:35:11,277 Good to see another brother around here. 722 00:35:11,319 --> 00:35:13,487 A young black man meets another young black man. 723 00:35:13,529 --> 00:35:18,117 Ah, yes. Of course it is. 724 00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:20,995 But something is very wrong here. 725 00:35:21,037 --> 00:35:25,166 Jordan Peele's "Get Out" is by turns a social satire 726 00:35:25,207 --> 00:35:29,128 and a genuinely horrific tale of demonic possession, 727 00:35:29,170 --> 00:35:32,173 but the demons here aren't from hell. 728 00:35:32,214 --> 00:35:34,759 Get out. 729 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,469 Sorry, man. 730 00:35:36,510 --> 00:35:37,637 Get out! 731 00:35:38,512 --> 00:35:41,223 I love, love, love possession films. 732 00:35:41,265 --> 00:35:43,768 - Hello. - Hi. 733 00:35:43,809 --> 00:35:47,104 My mother used to do this thing to me, 734 00:35:47,146 --> 00:35:50,650 play this little joke on me. Every now and then, I would go, 735 00:35:50,691 --> 00:35:52,193 "Mom, Mom, can I get this candy?" 736 00:35:52,234 --> 00:35:54,070 or whatever, and she would look at me, 737 00:35:54,111 --> 00:35:58,991 and she'd go, "Mommy's not here anymore, Jordan," 738 00:35:59,033 --> 00:36:01,952 and I'd be like, "Don't do it," like, "Come on. Mom." 739 00:36:01,994 --> 00:36:05,915 And she'd be like, "I'm serious. Mom isn't here." 740 00:36:05,956 --> 00:36:09,919 - Who was she? - Right. That's the question. 741 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,796 That's the question I've never answered. 742 00:36:11,837 --> 00:36:15,716 All I know is sometimes if there's too many white people, 743 00:36:15,758 --> 00:36:17,343 I get nervous, you know? 744 00:36:17,385 --> 00:36:19,011 "Get Out" is a possession film. 745 00:36:19,053 --> 00:36:20,429 It is a possession film. 746 00:36:22,598 --> 00:36:24,350 Instead of the devil possessing you, 747 00:36:24,392 --> 00:36:26,852 it's literally the white devil possessing your body. 748 00:36:26,894 --> 00:36:27,894 I'm into it. 749 00:36:27,895 --> 00:36:32,983 Oh, no. No. No. 750 00:36:33,025 --> 00:36:35,528 And there haven't been a lot of movies 751 00:36:35,569 --> 00:36:39,323 that deal with race straight on in the genre space. 752 00:36:39,365 --> 00:36:40,825 Do they know I'm black? 753 00:36:43,452 --> 00:36:44,912 No. 754 00:36:44,954 --> 00:36:46,706 And I wanted this movie to be, 755 00:36:46,747 --> 00:36:48,874 "You can't do this movie with a white guy." 756 00:36:48,916 --> 00:36:50,835 My dad would have voted for Obama a third time 757 00:36:50,876 --> 00:36:55,506 if he could have. Like, the love is so real. 758 00:36:55,548 --> 00:36:58,801 In a nutshell, it's a story of a black guy 759 00:36:58,843 --> 00:37:01,387 who meets his white girlfriend's parents 760 00:37:01,429 --> 00:37:06,892 and kind of gets more than what he's expecting, in a nutshell. 761 00:37:06,934 --> 00:37:10,062 I would have voted for Obama for a third term if I could. 762 00:37:10,104 --> 00:37:13,649 Best president in my lifetime, hands down. 763 00:37:13,691 --> 00:37:15,443 - I agree. - Yeah. 764 00:37:15,484 --> 00:37:19,029 There is a genuine mystery going on 765 00:37:19,071 --> 00:37:22,742 in the case of "Get Out." The audience knows, 766 00:37:22,783 --> 00:37:25,286 okay, there's something weird about this family. 767 00:37:25,327 --> 00:37:27,121 There is definitely something weird 768 00:37:27,163 --> 00:37:29,874 about those black servants. 769 00:37:29,915 --> 00:37:32,793 There's something weird about this whole damn place. 770 00:37:32,835 --> 00:37:36,881 But exactly what, you don't know. 771 00:37:41,218 --> 00:37:42,803 But now you're really watching, 772 00:37:42,845 --> 00:37:44,513 because now you're watching a mystery. 773 00:37:44,555 --> 00:37:47,057 Jordan Peele knows exactly what he's doing, 774 00:37:47,099 --> 00:37:49,894 and we're gonna just have to wait for it. 775 00:37:49,935 --> 00:37:52,605 Do you find that being African-American 776 00:37:52,646 --> 00:37:57,276 has more advantage or disadvantage? 777 00:37:57,318 --> 00:37:59,487 Being black in America, 778 00:37:59,528 --> 00:38:02,615 there's certain dials you're sort of tuned into 779 00:38:02,656 --> 00:38:05,409 to not walk into a - up situation. 780 00:38:05,451 --> 00:38:07,745 I got hypnotized last night.. 781 00:38:07,787 --> 00:38:09,413 Get the out of here. 782 00:38:09,455 --> 00:38:11,457 No, yo, yo, yeah, yeah, to quit smoking, 783 00:38:11,499 --> 00:38:14,001 but Rose's mom's a psychiatrist, so... 784 00:38:14,043 --> 00:38:15,061 Bro, I don't care if the bitch 785 00:38:15,085 --> 00:38:17,046 is Iyanla Vanzant, okay? 786 00:38:17,087 --> 00:38:19,632 She can't fix my life. You ain't getting in my head. 787 00:38:19,673 --> 00:38:22,134 Chris always thinks he's got the situation in hand... 788 00:38:22,176 --> 00:38:23,886 - Yes. - Because they're, like, 789 00:38:23,928 --> 00:38:25,530 a bunch of white people. What are they gonna do? 790 00:38:25,554 --> 00:38:27,223 We're kind of like, we can forgive him. 791 00:38:27,264 --> 00:38:28,891 Oh, he's not being dumb. 792 00:38:28,933 --> 00:38:32,311 Is he really going to jump to the conclusion 793 00:38:32,353 --> 00:38:36,524 that this family is literally evil, physically threats? 794 00:38:36,565 --> 00:38:37,900 Like, that's crazy. 795 00:38:37,942 --> 00:38:42,488 Now... sink into the floor. 796 00:38:42,530 --> 00:38:44,198 - Wait, wait, wait... - Sink. 797 00:38:49,161 --> 00:38:52,039 The minute Chris is sent into the sunken place, 798 00:38:52,081 --> 00:38:56,377 I realized that this movie was not just going to be scary 799 00:38:56,418 --> 00:38:58,462 and not just going to be interesting 800 00:38:58,504 --> 00:39:00,548 but also going to be important. 801 00:39:03,884 --> 00:39:06,220 Because he created a metaphor 802 00:39:06,262 --> 00:39:10,516 that now gives so many of us language to explain 803 00:39:10,558 --> 00:39:16,355 what a state of suppression looks like and feels like. 804 00:39:16,397 --> 00:39:18,858 Now you're in the sunken place. 805 00:39:18,899 --> 00:39:20,484 When you're in the sunken place, 806 00:39:20,526 --> 00:39:21,944 you can still see what's happening. 807 00:39:21,986 --> 00:39:23,988 You're not unaware. 808 00:39:24,029 --> 00:39:29,869 It's just that you feel there's nothing you can do about it. 809 00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:32,496 Someone or something has taken control over you, 810 00:39:32,538 --> 00:39:35,291 so therefore you're powerless, and it doesn't matter 811 00:39:35,332 --> 00:39:38,294 what color, where you come from, 812 00:39:38,335 --> 00:39:41,964 you can be in the sunken place just by not having a voice. 813 00:39:42,006 --> 00:39:45,217 In a pivotal scene in "Get Out," 814 00:39:45,259 --> 00:39:47,344 we discover all the black people 815 00:39:47,386 --> 00:39:50,723 Chris has met on the estate have been sold at auction. 816 00:39:50,764 --> 00:39:53,225 Their bodies have been taken over by white people 817 00:39:53,267 --> 00:39:56,145 who desire their youth and physicality. 818 00:39:56,186 --> 00:40:01,358 They are trapped in the sunken place, yearning for freedom. 819 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,943 It's really a Trojan horse 820 00:40:02,985 --> 00:40:07,698 for telling a much more important story. 821 00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:11,869 Where the country is certainly helped propel 822 00:40:11,911 --> 00:40:14,622 the success of "Get Out," and also made "Get Out" 823 00:40:14,663 --> 00:40:18,334 a particularly important movie for its time 824 00:40:18,375 --> 00:40:21,921 in a way that, you know, it wouldn't have been, 825 00:40:21,962 --> 00:40:24,465 and, you know, I wish that that weren't true, but it is. 826 00:40:24,506 --> 00:40:26,133 I mean, at the end of the day, 827 00:40:26,175 --> 00:40:29,803 the movie is about how racism is horrifying. 828 00:40:29,845 --> 00:40:33,724 It's the most horrific thing in our world today, 829 00:40:33,766 --> 00:40:36,685 is just people just hating 830 00:40:36,727 --> 00:40:39,146 other people for whatever reasons they do. 831 00:40:39,188 --> 00:40:42,816 What is your purpose, Chris? 832 00:40:42,858 --> 00:40:44,109 What? 833 00:40:46,528 --> 00:40:48,530 - In life. - Is there a better statement 834 00:40:48,572 --> 00:40:52,284 on race relations in America? I don't think so, you know? 835 00:40:52,326 --> 00:40:55,454 And that's totally pushed the bar on satire and horror 836 00:40:55,496 --> 00:40:57,206 and cut very deep, 837 00:40:57,247 --> 00:41:00,125 at the same way is being entertaining. 838 00:41:00,167 --> 00:41:02,544 And that's what genre movies do at their best, 839 00:41:02,586 --> 00:41:04,213 especially great horror movies. 840 00:41:04,254 --> 00:41:08,592 It gives you a way to discuss the undiscussable. 841 00:41:08,634 --> 00:41:10,469 - Yes. - It gives you a context 842 00:41:10,511 --> 00:41:12,221 to talk about subjects 843 00:41:12,262 --> 00:41:14,223 that are just awful and painful for everyone... 844 00:41:14,264 --> 00:41:15,891 - Yeah. - But you can put it 845 00:41:15,933 --> 00:41:18,018 in the context of a scary movie, 846 00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:21,021 whether it's a zombie movie, whether it's a "Get Out" movie, 847 00:41:21,063 --> 00:41:23,732 and it's like you're suddenly allowed to talk about it. 848 00:41:23,774 --> 00:41:25,901 And everybody needs it. 849 00:41:30,656 --> 00:41:32,825 Even if it's not in the package of a horror movie, 850 00:41:32,866 --> 00:41:35,494 everybody has this dark side that needs to be filled. 851 00:41:40,791 --> 00:41:43,502 I mean, I told you not to go in that house. 65742

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