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With the slasher films,
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the rock stars
are the killers.
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You don't know what pain is!
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Everybody has this dark side
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that needs to be filled.
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West used to call Freddy
the bastard stepfather
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of us all.
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This killer that can kill you
in your dreams.
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Candyman.
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It doesn't get much scarier
than that.
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Be my victim.
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You're never gonna
catch him.
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Everybody's a suspect.
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I think the fun of "Scream"
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is the self-awareness...
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Oh, you wanna play
psycho killer?
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And the deconstruction
of the horror genre.
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The entire audience
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jumped out of their skin.
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In a movie,
we have a chance to...
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almost externalize
the fears that we have.
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Could I saw off my leg
if I had to?
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We invented a whole new term.
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Torture porn became
the cathartic release.
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You have to work
with the dark side.
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Horror is the only genre
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where it's flattering
if somebody says,
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"Ah, I couldn't watch
your movie.
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Had to leave."
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Oh, my God!
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We're not allowed to be
scared anywhere in life.
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You can't be scared at work.
But for 90 minutes,
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you can be afraid
and not be a coward.
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After John Carpenter's
"Halloween"
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made box office history
in 1978,
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slasher films
ruled the screen.
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But by 1984,
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audience fatigue
and critical backlash
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had taken hold.
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Slashers looked dead
in the water.
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But the genre
was only sleeping.
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I'm certainly not the first
girl to play a woman character
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who fights to the death
in a battle against a monster.
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There will always be men
and there will always be women
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who are, you know,
forced to be that person.
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So "Nightmare on Elm Street"
is about a group of four kids,
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teenagers, who realize
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that they've all shared
the same nightmare.
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- Eee.
- Nancy...
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you dreamed about
the same creep I did.
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That's impossible.
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And they don't really think
anything about it
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until each one of them,
one by one,
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starts dying in their dreams.
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No. No. No!
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No!
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No!
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My character wants
to figure out,
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like, why this is happening,
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who it is that's killing them.
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And so the movie's about
Nancy's quest
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to discover Freddy Krueger
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and why he did it.
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He did it as an act
of vengeance against
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some vigilante parents
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who killed him
in a boiler room.
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Who are you?
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Freddy Krueger
was a child murderer,
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and there isn't anything funny
about that.
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They kind of gloss over
that later.
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The creation
of Freddy Krueger,
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this man who had knives
for fingers
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who would come to children
in their dreams
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and kill them,
was terrifying.
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It was just a terrifying idea.
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I mean,
"Nightmare on Elm Street"
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is the next quantum leap
forward,
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- I think, in horror.
- Yeah, definitely.
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I mean, this killer
that can kill you
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- in your dreams.
- Yeah.
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So suddenly you have
a slasher whose arm...
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It crosses
into the supernatural.
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It crosses into
the supernatural, yeah.
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It is a blend
of supernatural and slashers.
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The rules of any sort
of world don't apply.
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- Right.
- I think that's what made
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Freddy Krueger
such a unique character.
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It just took us
to a different place.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Wes Craven was a visionary,
I think,
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in terms of fear,
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understanding what that...
what that could be
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and maximizing that
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in these broad strokes,
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which "Nightmare
on Elm Street" has.
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What is one
of the earliest things
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I can think of as a weapon
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that would have terrified
human beings?
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The cave bear reaching around
the corner
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with his massive mitt
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with daggers on the end
of every finger.
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That's primal.
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Even the colors.
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I read an article on
the two most difficult colors
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for the iris... or the retina
to see next to each other
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were those two colors.
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And then finding an actor
who was brilliant
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and who could bring it to life.
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Wes used to call Freddy
the bastard stepfather
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of us all.
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But when I got the part,
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I didn't know
what I was gonna do.
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And the makeup sessions
informed
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a lot of what I did.
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They were dabbing at me
with a crusty brush
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and basting me
like a turkey
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with Vaseline so that I
picked up the light better.
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And in comes Johnny Depp
and Heather Langenkamp,
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arguably the two most
attractive young people
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in the world at that moment,
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and it got me angry and envious
of their youth and their beauty
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and the fact
that these two kids
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had their whole careers
ahead of them.
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And I went, "Wait a minute.
I can use that."
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This is just a dream!
He isn't real!
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He isn't real!
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Of course, all my fights
with Freddy
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were fantastic,
and we would work on them
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for a long time.
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Once the camera was rolling,
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you know, we got into
our characters,
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and I bashed him over the head
with a coffeepot.
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I think the real reason
it had
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such a massive audience
and still does
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is, every single one
of the films
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has a really strong,
well-written survivor girl.
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Come out and show yourself,
you bastard!
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So something
really interesting
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about Nancy Thompson
in "A Nightmare on Elm Street"
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is that it's sort of her
breaking free
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from this chain of suburbia
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being this ideal
because her family is broken.
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Nancy.
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I'm gonna go
and get the guy who did it.
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And I want you to be there
to arrest him
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when I bring him out, okay?
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Just tell me who did it.
I'll go get him, baby.
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Fred Krueger did it, Daddy.
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Her father,
while, I think, very loving,
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is very inept.
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He refuses to believe her.
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Her mother's an alcoholic.
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She breaks free from it
by destroying the home,
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thereby destroying
Freddy Krueger,
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who came because her parents
had killed him.
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I guess I'd say my very first
fans were young gay men.
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And they told me
that they were using Nancy
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as they faced their folks
or their parents
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or their families
in revealing their true selves.
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I take back every bit
of energy I gave you.
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You're nothing.
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And they expressed to me
that it was just, like...
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it was their Freddy, you know,
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just, like, that scary thing
that they have to face,
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that they have to fight.
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I would often listen
to all sorts of people
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talk about what
their Freddy was.
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And, I mean,
it can be anything,
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I'm telling you.
It can be anything.
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Kids who were bullied
would tell me
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that they would use the images
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of "Nightmare on Elm Street"
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to help them face bullies
in their life.
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You think you was gonna
get away from me?
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I know you too well now,
Freddy.
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You know, Wes Craven
probably never knew
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how many he people
he was gonna help
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by creating this Nancy-Freddy
dynamic.
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It seems to me
there were several
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peak nightmares,
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that the first one
was really terrifying,
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but there was a couple others
way downstream
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that were really satisfying
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and did interesting things
intellectually.
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There's a lot of echoes
to Kafka,
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you know, and that,
insects and other things.
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Freddy Krueger's
pretty terrifying
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in the first
"Nightmare on Elm Street."
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Watch this.
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But he became
a one-line reader.
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How's this for a wet dream?
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Silly, funny, like, puns
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and double entendres.
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This is it, Jennifer.
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Your big break in TV.
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Welcome to prime time, bitch.
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With a joke here,
a joke there,
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a wisecrack here, there,
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it makes it easier
to set them up
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for another dark sequence
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or another horrific thing
or just a cheap-thrill scare.
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Got your nose!
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Did we go too far sometimes?
Perhaps.
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And did we load it up
too much?
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Sometimes, perhaps, yeah.
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I'll get you, my pretty,
and your little soul too.
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You know, I've been,
you know,
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listening to
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what... how crowds respond
to horror
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for most of my life.
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You know, talking about
sort of...
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with the Freddy movies,
with the Freddy sequels...
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- Mm-hmm.
- How a black theater could...
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You know, the relationship
to Freddy
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is almost... is closer
than it is to the victims
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- of those movies.
- Of course.
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- Right? Of course.
- You identify with Freddy.
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He's funny.
You identify with him.
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There's... you know him.
You don't know
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these new mother
coming to get killed.
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- Right.
- They're just sheep
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for the slaughter.
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No!
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By the way,
we're identifying with Freddy,
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the child murderer.
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Yes, but black people
also love them some Jason...
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- Yes.
- And some Michael Myers.
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No!
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There's something
about these...
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first of all, these characters
that don't give a...
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- Mm-hmm.
- That are cold-blooded...
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That I think scratches
an itch,
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a frustrated itch,
a societally frustrated itch.
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That itch
would be scratched
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by a slasher with a hook,
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a monster driven by love
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and the need to kill.
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Be my victim.
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Candyman.
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Candyman.
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Candyman.
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"Candyman," in a nutshell,
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is a dark love story.
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Virginia Madsen and I
were deeply in love
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in another life.
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Candyman was an artist,
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and unfortunately
her father was a racist.
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Had him lynched,
cut off his arm,
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and replaced it with a hook.
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And he was trying
to reclaim his lost love
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by getting her to honor,
you know,
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him as a mystery man.
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Oh!!
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What "Candyman" tried to do
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was using slavery
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and some of the violence
of slavery
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to explain the emergence
of this monstrous character
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who, if you say his name
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into a mirror five times...
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Dare you.
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both: Candyman.
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Candyman.
Candyman.
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Candyman.
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He comes if you just say
his name.
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Candyman.
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It doesn't get much scarier
than that.
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Most slasher films
start with
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a traumatic experience
that happens
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as, like, a... sort of a
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precursor to where the film
is set in modern day.
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The trauma itself serves
as a triggering effect
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for the killer
in the present time.
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What's so interesting
about that is that
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a lot of it is based
in loss and grief.
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It had a real impact
on a lot of audiences.
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Black audiences because, hey,
even though
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he's the monster...
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Believe in me.
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Be my victim.
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We will turn out to see
blacks in a horror film.
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It was based
on Clive Barker's book
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"The Forbidden."
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And I think what Bernard Rose,
the director and writer,
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did brilliantly
was to transpose it
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to Cabrini-Green,
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which is now gone
but was one of the most
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dangerous housing projects
in America.
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I thought "Candyman"
was really cool
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because, you know,
you're so used to seeing
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these traditional
haunted house movies,
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and it's, like, the opposite.
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The setting is so gritty.
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I think "Candyman"
is intended more
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for a white audience.
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It's looking at kind of
the fear of the urban setting,
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and Cabrini-Green
and the sprawl
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of poverty in Chicago
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and what might
come out of that.
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Damn it.
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One of the brilliant things
about the film
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is that he doesn't appear
until 45 minutes into...
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into the film.
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He's spoken about.
They mytholize him.
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Everybody's scared.
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He... he could come right through
these walls, you know.
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I-I'm scared.
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Scared for my child.
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They ain't never gonna
catch him.
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Who?
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Candyman.
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I think some audiences
were troubled
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because so many of the people
he killed were black.
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So if it was
a straight revenge story,
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he would have been
killing nothing
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but white people, right?
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But the residents
of this project
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were also his victims.
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If you were to explain,
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"Well, it's about
this black dude who was
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"murdered for having sex
with a white lady,
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"and then he comes back
and hunts the white lady
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and lots of other people too,"
you'd be like,
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"Nah, I don't think
we're gonna make that movie."
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You know what I mean?
But somehow,
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through his level
of magnetism and charm,
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he manages
to make Candyman someone...
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I don't know if they love him,
but who they love to fear.
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Be my victim.
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Be my victim.
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He's got a passion.
He wants what he wants.
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And this
is his unrequited love.
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This is the woman
that got away,
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the woman that he cherished,
you know?
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And it happens to be
in a horrific environment,
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but, you know,
he'd do anything for her.
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Even kill her
if they can die together.
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Your death would be a tale
to frighten children,
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to make lovers cling closer
in their rapture.
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Come with me
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and be immortal.
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I think that mixture
of terror and empathy
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is very powerful.
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Every great work
of horror fiction
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is an exercise
in extreme empathy.
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It's about falling in love
with characters
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and then staying with them
as they endure the worst.
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- No!
- And he's an iconic monster.
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He had bees
coming out of his mouth.
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He had bees all over his face.
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We used over 100,000 bees
on that set.
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It was all practicals,
which is... you know,
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totally makes a difference.
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I think I got maybe 26 stings
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altogether,
but they were
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an essential part to...
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creating the terror
for the situation.
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You know,
what happens to a ghost
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if he's still living flesh?
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Will he be inhabited
by maggots?
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Well, then we chose bees
'cause...
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they're just that... you know,
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00:16:07,092 --> 00:16:08,969
every kid is afraid
of a bee sting.
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00:16:11,305 --> 00:16:13,474
You know, there's nothing
ambiguous about horror.
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Horror is an engine.
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It's like
a great white shark.
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It has a purpose,
something it wants to do.
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It wants to scare you.
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And in that way,
that lack of ambiguity
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is really freeing
as a filmmaker
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'cause you know
what you're trying to do.
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Help! Help me!
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It's a beautiful thing
to play with,
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and it's even more beautiful
thing when it works.
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Candyman is an icon,
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00:16:42,419 --> 00:16:45,214
one of the great
supernatural monsters.
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00:16:45,255 --> 00:16:49,301
But the masked serial killer
was ready to make a comeback
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00:16:49,343 --> 00:16:50,969
with a postmodern twist.
378
00:16:57,059 --> 00:16:59,561
Slashers kind of go away
for a while.
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00:16:59,603 --> 00:17:00,914
Like, once we're sort of
out of weapons...
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I think the public starts
to get bored of it.
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00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:09,519
Well, there were so...
and there were so many sequels.
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00:17:12,616 --> 00:17:14,409
And they were always
diminishing returns.
383
00:17:14,451 --> 00:17:16,453
Exactly, and they were never
about being scary.
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00:17:16,495 --> 00:17:17,996
And then "Scream" comes along.
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00:17:32,094 --> 00:17:33,845
My whole goal
when writing "Scream" was,
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I wanted a horror movie
to sort of
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live and breathe
in a time
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where the other horror movies
existed.
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00:17:41,853 --> 00:17:45,232
If you were the only suspect
in a senseless bloodbath...
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00:17:45,274 --> 00:17:47,401
would you be standing
in the horror section?
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00:17:47,442 --> 00:17:48,819
Kevin was smart enough
to make it
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00:17:48,860 --> 00:17:50,046
not about the filmmakers
and the actors
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00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:51,697
but about the audience.
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00:17:51,738 --> 00:17:53,699
"Scream" is the story
of Sidney Prescott.
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And it's one year after
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00:17:55,492 --> 00:17:57,828
the horrific murder
of her mother.
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Just when she's about to have
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00:17:59,580 --> 00:18:01,331
some semblance
of her normal life,
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00:18:01,373 --> 00:18:03,083
just when she's starting
to trust again
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00:18:03,125 --> 00:18:04,960
and she's starting
to date again
401
00:18:05,002 --> 00:18:07,129
and she's got her boyfriend,
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00:18:07,170 --> 00:18:08,731
on the anniversary
of her mother's death,
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00:18:08,755 --> 00:18:10,215
murders start occurring
404
00:18:10,257 --> 00:18:12,068
as it looks like perhaps
someone takes their love
405
00:18:12,092 --> 00:18:13,510
of scary movies too far.
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00:18:16,555 --> 00:18:18,932
And they start using
horror movie lingo
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00:18:18,974 --> 00:18:20,934
as a way to stalk
and kill victims.
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00:18:20,976 --> 00:18:22,811
You never told me your name.
409
00:18:22,853 --> 00:18:24,479
Why do you want to know
my name?
410
00:18:24,521 --> 00:18:26,356
'Cause I want to know
who I'm looking at.
411
00:18:28,025 --> 00:18:29,693
What did you say?
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00:18:29,735 --> 00:18:32,237
The opening of "Scream"
is so iconic at this point.
413
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And it's so masterfully done.
414
00:18:34,323 --> 00:18:36,658
That is Wes Craven
at the height of his career.
415
00:18:36,700 --> 00:18:38,619
It happens. Take it easy.
416
00:18:43,206 --> 00:18:46,001
The thing about Wes Craven
is that the scary stuff
417
00:18:46,043 --> 00:18:47,753
comes instinctive to him.
418
00:18:47,794 --> 00:18:49,796
And I think he has
a really great eye
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00:18:49,838 --> 00:18:52,883
and a sensibility to stage it
and to craft it.
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00:18:52,924 --> 00:18:55,927
The tracking shots
behind Drew Barrymore
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00:18:55,969 --> 00:18:57,888
as she just sort of walks
through this very...
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00:18:57,929 --> 00:19:00,807
this shadowed house and she
moves in and out of light,
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00:19:00,849 --> 00:19:02,476
it beautifully sets the pace.
424
00:19:02,517 --> 00:19:04,061
You know,
when to dutch the angle,
425
00:19:04,102 --> 00:19:05,937
when to... you know,
when to pull back,
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00:19:05,979 --> 00:19:07,773
when to go wide,
when to go close.
427
00:19:10,192 --> 00:19:11,669
The interesting thing
about that is,
428
00:19:11,693 --> 00:19:13,570
you have...
at that time, certainly...
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00:19:13,612 --> 00:19:16,323
your most famous cast member
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00:19:16,365 --> 00:19:17,824
dying right away.
431
00:19:17,866 --> 00:19:19,618
So it really sort of tells
an audience,
432
00:19:19,660 --> 00:19:23,121
"You have no idea
what to expect."
433
00:19:23,163 --> 00:19:24,790
When I auditioned for it,
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00:19:24,831 --> 00:19:27,459
there were two
very different scenes.
435
00:19:27,501 --> 00:19:29,670
There was one of this loving,
caring boyfriend,
436
00:19:29,711 --> 00:19:32,214
and then there was one
of this psychopath.
437
00:19:34,299 --> 00:19:36,343
We all go a little mad
sometimes.
438
00:19:36,385 --> 00:19:38,011
- No, Billy!
- Oh,.
439
00:19:39,262 --> 00:19:41,390
Wes really wanted
to see
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00:19:41,431 --> 00:19:44,101
somebody who could...
who could convincingly play
441
00:19:44,142 --> 00:19:45,477
both sides of that.
442
00:19:51,358 --> 00:19:52,984
Billy's the killer.
443
00:19:53,026 --> 00:19:54,921
And you got to believe fully
that he's the killer
444
00:19:54,945 --> 00:19:57,030
so much so that you go,
"Oh, there's no way
445
00:19:57,072 --> 00:19:58,115
he's the killer."
446
00:19:59,783 --> 00:20:01,910
I wanted to sort of take
the genre, rip it apart,
447
00:20:01,952 --> 00:20:03,120
open it up.
448
00:20:03,161 --> 00:20:04,329
There's a formula to it,
449
00:20:04,371 --> 00:20:06,081
a very simple formula.
450
00:20:06,123 --> 00:20:07,833
Everybody's a suspect.
451
00:20:07,874 --> 00:20:09,793
When you talk about
the tone of "Scream,"
452
00:20:09,835 --> 00:20:11,670
I think what
he's so successful at
453
00:20:11,712 --> 00:20:15,340
is balancing that horror comedy
that we don't see so often
454
00:20:15,382 --> 00:20:16,508
pulled off very well.
455
00:20:16,550 --> 00:20:17,968
Damn little.
456
00:20:18,009 --> 00:20:19,803
What'd you call me?
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00:20:19,845 --> 00:20:21,430
- Huh?
- Not you, Fred.
458
00:20:21,471 --> 00:20:23,390
I was quite against it
at the time.
459
00:20:23,432 --> 00:20:26,059
I thought, "Wow, I thought
I was in a documentary
460
00:20:26,101 --> 00:20:27,185
"about a serial killer
461
00:20:27,227 --> 00:20:28,895
"and they're playing this,
462
00:20:28,937 --> 00:20:30,439
you know, for laughs."
463
00:20:32,733 --> 00:20:34,252
Wes found the right balance
and the tone
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00:20:34,276 --> 00:20:35,736
through the editorial process,
465
00:20:35,777 --> 00:20:37,279
but I do remember
we were like,
466
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,114
"Should he be falling down
that much?"
467
00:20:39,156 --> 00:20:42,075
He's kind of, like,
the clumsiest killer alive.
468
00:20:42,117 --> 00:20:43,660
And we were always
worried about
469
00:20:43,702 --> 00:20:44,804
that skirt he was wearing,
you know,
470
00:20:44,828 --> 00:20:45,912
how silly that would look.
471
00:20:45,954 --> 00:20:48,248
But it all seemed to work out.
472
00:20:48,290 --> 00:20:51,168
Yeah, at the beginning,
they wanted me to come meet
473
00:20:51,209 --> 00:20:53,336
for Skeet's role, Billy.
474
00:20:53,378 --> 00:20:54,546
I didn't do anything.
475
00:20:54,588 --> 00:20:56,047
Do you wish to give up
your right
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00:20:56,089 --> 00:20:57,734
to speak to an attorney
and have him present...
477
00:20:57,758 --> 00:21:00,302
But the role of Dewey,
I thought it was so funny.
478
00:21:00,343 --> 00:21:01,553
He was written as, like,
479
00:21:01,595 --> 00:21:04,514
this big, buff, like,
meathead.
480
00:21:04,556 --> 00:21:06,308
And I was like,
"I think I could bring
481
00:21:06,349 --> 00:21:08,977
a different meathead
quality to it."
482
00:21:09,019 --> 00:21:11,021
People treat me like
483
00:21:11,062 --> 00:21:13,982
I'm the antichrist
of television journalism.
484
00:21:14,024 --> 00:21:15,400
I don't think
you're that bad.
485
00:21:15,442 --> 00:21:16,735
No?
486
00:21:16,777 --> 00:21:17,837
My favorite part
about working
487
00:21:17,861 --> 00:21:19,029
on the "Scream" movies
488
00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:21,740
was working with Wes Craven.
489
00:21:21,782 --> 00:21:23,742
You meet few people
in this world that are...
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00:21:23,784 --> 00:21:26,745
turn out to be your heroes,
like, living heroes.
491
00:21:26,787 --> 00:21:29,122
And he held himself
like a professor.
492
00:21:29,164 --> 00:21:31,291
He was a really
intelligent guy.
493
00:21:31,333 --> 00:21:34,753
But he'd say things like,
"Well, that was horrible.
494
00:21:34,795 --> 00:21:36,296
You wanna try it again?"
495
00:21:36,338 --> 00:21:38,018
You really have to respect
your audience.
496
00:21:38,048 --> 00:21:41,051
You have to know these kids
are damn smart, you know?
497
00:21:41,092 --> 00:21:42,779
The wonderful thing
about the "Scream" series
498
00:21:42,803 --> 00:21:44,846
was that Kevin Williamson
499
00:21:44,888 --> 00:21:46,449
said, "Yeah, I've seen
all the movies too,
500
00:21:46,473 --> 00:21:47,658
"and let's talk about them,
but this is not
501
00:21:47,682 --> 00:21:49,142
like that," you know?
502
00:21:49,184 --> 00:21:50,703
Help me, please.
I'm at Stu Macher's house
503
00:21:50,727 --> 00:21:53,146
on Turner Lane.
It's 261 Turner Lane.
504
00:21:53,188 --> 00:21:54,940
Please, he's gonna try
and kill me.
505
00:21:56,274 --> 00:21:58,568
These movies get a bad rap
506
00:21:58,610 --> 00:22:00,862
for sort of being antifeminist
and misogynistic
507
00:22:00,904 --> 00:22:02,780
because they are, you know?
508
00:22:02,781 --> 00:22:05,367
And... and... and...
or they have been.
509
00:22:05,408 --> 00:22:07,244
You know, what's great
about genre today is,
510
00:22:07,285 --> 00:22:08,620
we can change all of that.
511
00:22:08,662 --> 00:22:10,705
We don't have to sort of
adhere to,
512
00:22:10,747 --> 00:22:12,123
you know, the rules.
513
00:22:12,165 --> 00:22:14,543
In the '70s and '80s,
514
00:22:14,584 --> 00:22:16,920
if a girl had sex, she...
515
00:22:16,962 --> 00:22:18,421
the rule was,
she had to die.
516
00:22:18,463 --> 00:22:20,298
There are certain rules
517
00:22:20,340 --> 00:22:21,883
that one must abide by
518
00:22:21,925 --> 00:22:24,010
in order to successfully
survive a horror movie.
519
00:22:24,052 --> 00:22:27,848
For instance, number one,
you can never have sex.
520
00:22:31,142 --> 00:22:32,477
We allowed her to have sex.
521
00:22:32,519 --> 00:22:35,021
So you're almost ensuring
she's gonna die.
522
00:22:36,314 --> 00:22:37,357
But not in this movie.
523
00:22:41,570 --> 00:22:42,988
Right up to
the very, very end
524
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:44,131
where she's like,
this is the moment
525
00:22:44,155 --> 00:22:45,323
where the killer...
526
00:22:45,365 --> 00:22:46,658
Comes back to life
527
00:22:46,700 --> 00:22:48,201
for one last scare.
528
00:22:48,243 --> 00:22:49,345
And she just ain't
gonna have it.
529
00:22:51,413 --> 00:22:53,123
It was just another way
530
00:22:53,164 --> 00:22:55,458
to dismiss those old notions
of the final girl
531
00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:57,168
and so that we can move
our heroine
532
00:22:57,210 --> 00:22:58,503
into sort of a new place.
533
00:22:58,545 --> 00:23:00,755
Not in my movie.
534
00:23:00,797 --> 00:23:02,716
Horror gets a visceral
reaction out of people.
535
00:23:02,757 --> 00:23:04,634
And it's always...
536
00:23:04,676 --> 00:23:07,721
looked down upon by critics
to this day.
537
00:23:07,762 --> 00:23:09,347
It astounds me.
538
00:23:09,389 --> 00:23:13,643
Horror starts from kind of
a minus 25 position
539
00:23:13,685 --> 00:23:15,896
and has to claw its way
upwards.
540
00:23:15,937 --> 00:23:19,524
It's fun to turn that
on its head.
541
00:23:19,566 --> 00:23:21,276
I think where
that anarchistic sense
542
00:23:21,318 --> 00:23:23,236
of wanting people
to burn the theater down
543
00:23:23,278 --> 00:23:25,447
comes from wanting
to show people,
544
00:23:25,488 --> 00:23:27,490
like,
what horror can really do.
545
00:23:27,532 --> 00:23:29,367
Good evening, Clarice.
546
00:23:29,409 --> 00:23:31,161
If you hate us
and you think we're bad,
547
00:23:31,202 --> 00:23:33,330
then I'm really
gonna go for it.
548
00:23:39,628 --> 00:23:42,213
A census taker
once tried to test me.
549
00:23:42,255 --> 00:23:45,592
I ate his liver
with some fava beans
550
00:23:45,634 --> 00:23:48,929
and a nice Chianti.
551
00:23:50,597 --> 00:23:54,059
"Silence of the Lambs"
is a perfect film.
552
00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:58,396
It kind of shirked
the in-your-face
553
00:23:58,438 --> 00:24:01,524
occasionally vulgarities
of the horror genre
554
00:24:01,566 --> 00:24:05,528
and painted them
with a much finer brush
555
00:24:05,570 --> 00:24:10,116
that made it a story
that was about being human
556
00:24:10,158 --> 00:24:12,327
as opposed to a story
that was
557
00:24:12,369 --> 00:24:14,829
about the horrors
of the world.
558
00:24:14,871 --> 00:24:17,624
What is your worst memory
of childhood?
559
00:24:19,417 --> 00:24:21,294
Death of my father.
560
00:24:21,336 --> 00:24:23,421
Horror is a ghetto
as far as
561
00:24:23,463 --> 00:24:25,131
the film industry is concerned,
562
00:24:25,173 --> 00:24:28,051
but "Silence of the Lambs"
changed everything.
563
00:24:28,093 --> 00:24:30,887
It suddenly was not only
big box office
564
00:24:30,929 --> 00:24:34,224
and not only horrific
but respected.
565
00:24:34,265 --> 00:24:36,393
You have
Sir Anthony Hopkins...
566
00:24:36,434 --> 00:24:38,937
I'll help you catch him,
Clarice.
567
00:24:38,979 --> 00:24:43,108
You had Jonathan Demme,
a great, admired director,
568
00:24:43,149 --> 00:24:47,988
dipping their toes
into really unsavory material
569
00:24:48,029 --> 00:24:50,323
but done in such
a highly polished
570
00:24:50,365 --> 00:24:52,993
and Hollywood style
that you could not
571
00:24:53,034 --> 00:24:56,955
deny the power of it
and the intelligence of it.
572
00:24:56,997 --> 00:24:58,623
There's things we need
to do for her.
573
00:24:58,665 --> 00:25:00,417
I know that y'all
brought her this far
574
00:25:00,458 --> 00:25:02,377
and that her folks would
thank you if they could
575
00:25:02,419 --> 00:25:05,880
for your... for your kindness
and your sensitivity.
576
00:25:05,922 --> 00:25:08,008
Now, please, go on now.
Let us take care of her.
577
00:25:09,634 --> 00:25:11,094
Go on now.
578
00:25:11,136 --> 00:25:13,179
I think,
with "Silence of the Lambs,"
579
00:25:13,221 --> 00:25:15,598
having a fantastic
female protagonist
580
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,226
that is brought to life
by Jodie Foster
581
00:25:18,268 --> 00:25:20,729
gave it a life
that allowed people
582
00:25:20,770 --> 00:25:22,814
who do not appreciate
the horror genre
583
00:25:22,856 --> 00:25:24,858
to appreciate
that performance.
584
00:25:24,899 --> 00:25:27,569
And that performance
was the introduction
585
00:25:27,610 --> 00:25:29,547
for a lot of people who are
uncomfortable with horror
586
00:25:29,571 --> 00:25:31,781
to actually step back
and enjoy it.
587
00:25:34,159 --> 00:25:36,536
Jonathan mentioned to me
588
00:25:36,578 --> 00:25:38,204
that perhaps
589
00:25:38,246 --> 00:25:40,248
the Clarice Starling character,
590
00:25:40,290 --> 00:25:42,333
the Jodie Foster character,
591
00:25:42,375 --> 00:25:46,212
was in a way so central
to the nature of the film
592
00:25:46,254 --> 00:25:49,382
that the music could reflect
her character
593
00:25:49,424 --> 00:25:52,927
and be a point of view
through her eyes.
594
00:26:03,563 --> 00:26:05,940
Generally, that type of film
595
00:26:05,982 --> 00:26:09,527
might have focused more
on the monster,
596
00:26:09,569 --> 00:26:11,571
the Lecter character,
and I think,
597
00:26:11,613 --> 00:26:14,365
by switching that up
in that film,
598
00:26:14,407 --> 00:26:17,494
it humanized the story in a way
599
00:26:17,535 --> 00:26:20,163
that, I think, broadened
the appeal of it.
600
00:26:22,082 --> 00:26:24,334
Senator Martin.
601
00:26:24,375 --> 00:26:26,920
Dr. Hannibal Lecter.
602
00:26:29,172 --> 00:26:31,257
I mean, Anthony Hopkins,
my God,
603
00:26:31,299 --> 00:26:32,592
what an iconic performance.
604
00:26:42,227 --> 00:26:46,731
Hannibal Lecter
is the most terrifying villain
605
00:26:46,773 --> 00:26:48,483
ever put on-screen,
606
00:26:48,525 --> 00:26:51,861
and he is in that film
for about 14 minutes.
607
00:26:51,903 --> 00:26:54,030
He's barely in it at all.
608
00:27:01,204 --> 00:27:05,041
We only see slightly more
of him than we see
609
00:27:05,083 --> 00:27:07,377
of the shark in "Jaws."
610
00:27:10,004 --> 00:27:13,258
And both pictures sort of
bring home the idea
611
00:27:13,299 --> 00:27:15,093
that what we can't see
is scarier
612
00:27:15,135 --> 00:27:16,594
than what we can.
613
00:27:16,636 --> 00:27:18,221
And that's tremendously
effective.
614
00:27:22,016 --> 00:27:23,601
There are
these moments where
615
00:27:23,643 --> 00:27:24,995
something plays different
for white people
616
00:27:25,019 --> 00:27:26,646
than it does for black people.
617
00:27:26,688 --> 00:27:28,398
Hannibal Lecter,
he's a psychopath.
618
00:27:28,439 --> 00:27:30,441
He's a white psychopath,
619
00:27:30,483 --> 00:27:34,654
but for some reason it's, like,
"Yo, that mother cold."
620
00:27:36,239 --> 00:27:37,508
"This mother
eating a face?
621
00:27:37,532 --> 00:27:39,159
"Oh.
622
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,535
"That's right there.
623
00:27:40,577 --> 00:27:41,911
"That
is Hannibal Lecter.
624
00:27:41,953 --> 00:27:43,788
"That's my
right there.
625
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:47,125
"That's... if I'm anybody
in this movie, I'm him.
626
00:27:47,167 --> 00:27:49,127
"I'm not the
who got his face eaten.
627
00:27:49,169 --> 00:27:50,461
I'm Hannibal Lecter."
628
00:27:50,503 --> 00:27:52,714
What became of your lamb,
Clarice?
629
00:27:53,923 --> 00:27:55,800
It came out in February,
630
00:27:55,842 --> 00:27:58,803
and it played right through
the year.
631
00:27:58,845 --> 00:28:00,388
It was one of those films
that just
632
00:28:00,430 --> 00:28:02,599
gathered momentum
week by week.
633
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,268
And it won five Oscars.
634
00:28:05,310 --> 00:28:06,769
When "Silence of the Lambs"
635
00:28:06,811 --> 00:28:08,646
was nominated
for Best Picture,
636
00:28:08,688 --> 00:28:11,316
nobody wanted
to call it a horror film.
637
00:28:11,357 --> 00:28:13,610
You know, all the press
stayed away from the fact
638
00:28:13,651 --> 00:28:15,945
that "Silence of the Lambs"
is really a horror film.
639
00:28:15,987 --> 00:28:17,322
It's a slasher film.
640
00:28:17,363 --> 00:28:18,781
Uh, get in the truck.
641
00:28:18,823 --> 00:28:21,826
And I want to push it
all the way up.
642
00:28:21,868 --> 00:28:23,578
I really appreciate this.
643
00:28:23,620 --> 00:28:25,455
But a slasher film
as Best Picture?
644
00:28:25,496 --> 00:28:27,457
No, can't do that.
645
00:28:27,498 --> 00:28:30,668
It was an example
of what can be done
646
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:34,756
with the genre
when it's done just right.
647
00:28:34,797 --> 00:28:37,717
Hey... hey, are you
about a size 14?
648
00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:39,552
Sorry?
649
00:28:44,015 --> 00:28:45,451
What is that people love
about going
650
00:28:45,475 --> 00:28:46,851
to see horror movies?
651
00:28:46,893 --> 00:28:48,519
I think what
we love about it
652
00:28:48,561 --> 00:28:49,705
and what the average person
loves about it,
653
00:28:49,729 --> 00:28:51,272
I think, is different.
654
00:28:52,690 --> 00:28:54,442
We'd see a
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre,"
655
00:28:54,484 --> 00:28:56,319
"Dawn of the Dead,"
I go, "I wanna live there.
656
00:28:56,361 --> 00:28:57,862
I wanna live
inside this movie."
657
00:28:57,904 --> 00:28:59,739
"I want to re-create this
in my house."
658
00:28:59,781 --> 00:29:01,574
And essentially we did
do that, right?
659
00:29:01,616 --> 00:29:02,867
Right. Yeah.
660
00:29:02,909 --> 00:29:03,928
But I think,
for the average person,
661
00:29:03,952 --> 00:29:05,578
it's like, you can
662
00:29:05,620 --> 00:29:07,956
safely experience
something demented.
663
00:29:07,997 --> 00:29:11,292
It's also coming to grips
with our own mortality.
664
00:29:11,334 --> 00:29:13,169
Maybe there's
some weird catharsis
665
00:29:13,211 --> 00:29:16,005
of, like, "Okay, well,
thank God my death
666
00:29:16,047 --> 00:29:19,259
"could never nearly be as bad
as what I just saw,
667
00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:20,927
"so maybe it's not so bad.
668
00:29:20,969 --> 00:29:23,263
Maybe I'm just gonna
fall asleep..."
669
00:29:23,304 --> 00:29:26,015
I think it's all dealing
with the fear of death.
670
00:29:26,057 --> 00:29:27,767
After 9/11,
671
00:29:27,809 --> 00:29:30,937
fear escalated to nearly
unbearable levels.
672
00:29:32,689 --> 00:29:34,357
And that fear
was reflected in movies
673
00:29:34,399 --> 00:29:36,985
that dared us
not to turn away.
674
00:29:38,820 --> 00:29:40,363
I want to play a game.
675
00:29:44,033 --> 00:29:46,035
People always ask me,
676
00:29:46,077 --> 00:29:47,429
"How do you make
a horror film scary?"
677
00:29:47,453 --> 00:29:48,973
And I think that
the only common thread
678
00:29:48,997 --> 00:29:51,416
that I've found is when
679
00:29:51,457 --> 00:29:53,418
the filmmaker, the director,
680
00:29:53,459 --> 00:29:55,420
is truly terrified
by the subject matter.
681
00:29:58,881 --> 00:30:00,925
You can tell when other
people are phoning in
682
00:30:00,967 --> 00:30:02,593
and trying to imitate a genre.
683
00:30:02,635 --> 00:30:05,305
And you can tell
when someone loves it.
684
00:30:06,973 --> 00:30:09,267
I met James Wan
at film school.
685
00:30:09,309 --> 00:30:11,019
We both loved horror movies.
686
00:30:11,060 --> 00:30:13,438
We were both obsessed
with "The Evil Dead"
687
00:30:13,479 --> 00:30:15,106
and Dario Argento
688
00:30:15,148 --> 00:30:16,748
and "The Shining"
and all the rest of it.
689
00:30:16,774 --> 00:30:18,693
We realized we should team up
690
00:30:18,735 --> 00:30:20,987
and try to make a movie
with our own money.
691
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:22,789
And so we figured out
that the cheapest thing
692
00:30:22,822 --> 00:30:25,742
we could do would be
two actors in one room.
693
00:30:25,783 --> 00:30:27,994
Finally, we hit upon
the idea for "Saw."
694
00:30:28,036 --> 00:30:30,580
Ahh.
695
00:30:32,457 --> 00:30:35,543
"Saw" is about two men
who wake up
696
00:30:35,585 --> 00:30:39,172
chained to the wall
in this dilapidated,
697
00:30:39,213 --> 00:30:41,716
dirty bathroom, basically.
698
00:30:41,758 --> 00:30:44,052
They don't know
how they got there.
699
00:30:44,093 --> 00:30:46,387
But lying between them
is a dead body.
700
00:30:49,057 --> 00:30:51,726
And they find out
that they've been put there
701
00:30:51,768 --> 00:30:54,354
by a sadistic serial killer
702
00:30:54,395 --> 00:30:58,399
who forces people to play games
for their lives.
703
00:30:58,441 --> 00:31:02,236
John Kramer is
a mechanical engineer.
704
00:31:02,278 --> 00:31:04,364
He's an architect.
705
00:31:04,405 --> 00:31:06,657
He is somewhat
of a philosopher.
706
00:31:06,699 --> 00:31:10,661
He is a master at prosthetics,
707
00:31:10,703 --> 00:31:13,414
a bit of a magician of sorts,
708
00:31:13,456 --> 00:31:17,710
And with John, what you see
is often not what you get.
709
00:31:17,752 --> 00:31:20,838
Whoever brought us here
could have killed us by now.
710
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,965
But they didn't.
711
00:31:23,007 --> 00:31:24,884
They must want something
from us.
712
00:31:24,926 --> 00:31:26,719
You got Leigh over here,
713
00:31:26,761 --> 00:31:28,763
and you got Carry Elwes
over here,
714
00:31:28,805 --> 00:31:30,348
and you got this guy
in the middle
715
00:31:30,390 --> 00:31:32,558
and this strength
and this silence.
716
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,229
But I always felt
his centralness to this story.
717
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:40,608
The way that I see Jigsaw
718
00:31:40,650 --> 00:31:43,653
is kind of the Zen master
of sadism.
719
00:31:43,694 --> 00:31:45,780
Hello, Amanda.
720
00:31:45,822 --> 00:31:47,031
You don't know me,
721
00:31:47,073 --> 00:31:49,742
but I know you.
722
00:31:49,784 --> 00:31:51,494
I want to play a game.
723
00:31:51,536 --> 00:31:53,246
His mission, of course,
is to
724
00:31:53,287 --> 00:31:57,583
help people to see
the value of life.
725
00:31:57,625 --> 00:32:00,461
And whether we think
his methods are appropriate
726
00:32:00,503 --> 00:32:02,296
or not, that's a different
story altogether.
727
00:32:02,338 --> 00:32:03,589
My family!
728
00:32:05,508 --> 00:32:08,219
There was something
about watching human behavior
729
00:32:08,261 --> 00:32:10,388
in extreme circumstances
in "Saw,"
730
00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:11,973
and I think...
and I thought to myself,
731
00:32:12,014 --> 00:32:14,392
"Well, could I saw off my leg
if I had to?
732
00:32:14,434 --> 00:32:16,310
"Would I do it?
How would I do it?
733
00:32:16,352 --> 00:32:17,770
Could I do it?"
734
00:32:21,691 --> 00:32:23,192
When you don't have
a big star
735
00:32:23,234 --> 00:32:25,361
in the lead role
and you don't have the money
736
00:32:25,403 --> 00:32:26,821
for special effects,
737
00:32:26,863 --> 00:32:28,698
the only thing you have
going for you
738
00:32:28,739 --> 00:32:31,325
is that question,
"What's gonna happen next?"
739
00:32:31,367 --> 00:32:33,578
What are you doing?
740
00:32:33,619 --> 00:32:37,707
Both James and I always loved
really great...
741
00:32:37,748 --> 00:32:40,001
twist endings
that made you go back
742
00:32:40,042 --> 00:32:42,336
and reexamine the movie.
743
00:32:42,378 --> 00:32:44,589
We really thought
we had something good.
744
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:48,426
I think I was there
about 12 or 13 days,
745
00:32:48,468 --> 00:32:51,762
Lying in this pool of blood
on the bathroom floor.
746
00:32:51,804 --> 00:32:55,641
You're quite convinced
that he's where he is,
747
00:32:55,683 --> 00:32:58,853
and you forget about it
in some way.
748
00:33:00,313 --> 00:33:02,523
The biggest reaction
that I think
749
00:33:02,565 --> 00:33:05,109
I've had in my career
was the ending of "Saw,"
750
00:33:05,151 --> 00:33:07,945
that ending when he stands up
off the floor.
751
00:33:07,987 --> 00:33:10,114
Which is one of the reasons
why I did the film,
752
00:33:10,156 --> 00:33:13,034
'cause I thought it would be
a remarkable moment.
753
00:33:13,075 --> 00:33:16,454
It was worth doing
just for that moment.
754
00:33:16,496 --> 00:33:18,789
And to actually physically
see people lose their mind
755
00:33:18,831 --> 00:33:20,625
and yell at the screen...
756
00:33:20,666 --> 00:33:22,519
I mean, people would just be
shouting, like, "No way!
757
00:33:22,543 --> 00:33:24,212
No way!"
758
00:33:24,253 --> 00:33:26,047
So that was the best feeling,
759
00:33:26,088 --> 00:33:28,341
you know, we could have
ever had.
760
00:33:29,926 --> 00:33:33,846
The last thing he says
before he closes the door
761
00:33:33,888 --> 00:33:35,640
to leave, he says,
"Some people..."
762
00:33:35,681 --> 00:33:38,726
Are so ungrateful
to be alive.
763
00:33:40,228 --> 00:33:42,188
But not you.
764
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:44,398
Not anymore.
765
00:33:45,608 --> 00:33:47,985
Game over.
766
00:33:49,445 --> 00:33:52,114
To me, "Saw"
is that original film,
767
00:33:52,156 --> 00:33:54,325
and then all the other movies,
they sit over here,
768
00:33:54,367 --> 00:33:57,411
and then the original film,
to me, sits on its own.
769
00:34:00,248 --> 00:34:02,416
The later "Saws," yeah,
they became more...
770
00:34:02,458 --> 00:34:04,502
more about the torture,
but really they were
771
00:34:04,544 --> 00:34:06,921
torture about people
who deserved it.
772
00:34:06,963 --> 00:34:08,839
The "Saw" movies,
it's the bad guys
773
00:34:08,881 --> 00:34:10,466
who are being tortured.
774
00:34:10,508 --> 00:34:12,343
According to your policy,
775
00:34:12,385 --> 00:34:15,596
your secretary
is older and weaker
776
00:34:15,638 --> 00:34:19,267
and therefore less worthy
to survive.
777
00:34:19,308 --> 00:34:21,310
By, I think it was "Saw 6,"
778
00:34:21,352 --> 00:34:24,814
where they're going
after insurance companies
779
00:34:24,855 --> 00:34:28,192
that have denied people
their claims, and...
780
00:34:28,234 --> 00:34:30,111
I don't know...
maybe they kind of deserve it
781
00:34:30,152 --> 00:34:31,988
in the world of that movie.
782
00:34:33,447 --> 00:34:35,741
I've had skateboarders,
12-year-olds,
783
00:34:35,783 --> 00:34:38,077
come up to me,
groups of them, and say,
784
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:39,745
"Yeah, we love those movies."
785
00:34:39,787 --> 00:34:41,914
You have one minute
to pull the fishhook
786
00:34:41,956 --> 00:34:45,126
from her stomach
and unlock her device.
787
00:34:45,167 --> 00:34:47,503
And I say, "Yeah, really?
Why? Why do you love 'em?"
788
00:34:47,545 --> 00:34:49,338
And they say, "Because...
789
00:34:49,380 --> 00:34:51,173
they teach you stuff."
790
00:34:51,215 --> 00:34:53,009
I said, "Like what?"
791
00:34:53,050 --> 00:34:55,136
They say, "Well, like, to...
that you need
792
00:34:55,177 --> 00:34:56,721
to appreciate your life."
793
00:34:56,762 --> 00:34:59,140
No!
794
00:34:59,181 --> 00:35:01,058
And they're not talking
about the traps.
795
00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:02,727
They're not talking
about the blood.
796
00:35:02,768 --> 00:35:04,937
They're talking about concepts
797
00:35:04,979 --> 00:35:07,940
that resonate in the film.
798
00:35:11,611 --> 00:35:14,614
So when you get
this little germ
799
00:35:14,655 --> 00:35:16,824
of an idea, of a thought,
800
00:35:16,866 --> 00:35:18,993
when it's surrounded
by that kind of intensity,
801
00:35:19,035 --> 00:35:22,705
it makes the germ resonate
in a certain way.
802
00:35:26,626 --> 00:35:29,795
One of the issues with
the "Saw" movies...
803
00:35:29,837 --> 00:35:31,547
and you can take it
however you want...
804
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:34,133
is the fact that we invented
a whole new term,
805
00:35:34,175 --> 00:35:35,343
"torture porn."
806
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,811
But we invented it
at the very same time
807
00:35:45,853 --> 00:35:48,481
America, as a nation,
808
00:35:48,522 --> 00:35:50,650
was under world indictment
809
00:35:50,691 --> 00:35:53,027
for actually torturing people.
810
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:06,165
The torture porn cycle
of horror films
811
00:36:06,207 --> 00:36:10,294
is strongly linked
to the height of what
812
00:36:10,336 --> 00:36:12,630
George W. Bush termed
the War on Terror.
813
00:36:12,672 --> 00:36:14,048
This crusade.
814
00:36:16,467 --> 00:36:18,552
Use any means
at our disposal.
815
00:36:18,594 --> 00:36:21,138
This war on terrorism.
816
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,266
The torture porn cycle
is kind of
817
00:36:24,308 --> 00:36:26,060
the cycle of the extreme
horror movie,
818
00:36:26,102 --> 00:36:28,104
the "can you not look away?"
819
00:36:30,940 --> 00:36:33,359
"Can you believe how far
they're taking this?
820
00:36:33,401 --> 00:36:35,695
Can you handle it?"
821
00:36:36,904 --> 00:36:38,489
And I think it really kind of
822
00:36:38,531 --> 00:36:40,366
was crystallized with "Hostel."
823
00:36:42,451 --> 00:36:43,845
A lot of people say
it started with "Saw."
824
00:36:43,869 --> 00:36:45,287
I think the original "Saw"
825
00:36:45,329 --> 00:36:47,790
plays more as
a thriller horror movie
826
00:36:47,832 --> 00:36:49,333
than a torture porn movie.
827
00:36:51,669 --> 00:36:53,462
Hostel becomes
a little bit more
828
00:36:53,504 --> 00:36:55,881
of the "how much can you stand
to watch?"
829
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,055
When we started making
our movies,
830
00:37:03,097 --> 00:37:04,974
the term "torture porn"
came out.
831
00:37:05,015 --> 00:37:06,892
I'll credit...
I'll give you that one.
832
00:37:08,269 --> 00:37:09,687
All right,
I'll take that one.
833
00:37:13,357 --> 00:37:14,942
One of the things
about torture porn
834
00:37:14,984 --> 00:37:18,070
is that we are no longer afraid
of bogeymen.
835
00:37:18,112 --> 00:37:20,948
Michael and Jason
and those characters
836
00:37:20,990 --> 00:37:22,908
lost a certain currency.
837
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:25,786
And what really strikes fear,
838
00:37:25,828 --> 00:37:28,080
particularly in
the United States
839
00:37:28,122 --> 00:37:30,750
in a post-9/11 moment,
is other people.
840
00:37:30,791 --> 00:37:33,252
Other people are frightening.
841
00:37:33,294 --> 00:37:35,296
You're not going?
842
00:37:35,337 --> 00:37:37,006
I've seen this show.
843
00:37:37,047 --> 00:37:39,842
The "Hostel" franchise
speaks truth to power
844
00:37:39,884 --> 00:37:42,720
and presents Americans
in the way
845
00:37:42,762 --> 00:37:45,890
that the world perceives us.
846
00:37:45,931 --> 00:37:49,226
The whole first section
of the film...
847
00:37:49,268 --> 00:37:53,355
it's kind of done like
a teen sex comedy, right?
848
00:37:53,397 --> 00:37:55,858
Like, before it gets
into the horrific scenes,
849
00:37:55,900 --> 00:37:58,611
we see Paxton, Josh,
and their friend Oli
850
00:37:58,652 --> 00:38:00,362
in Amsterdam.
851
00:38:00,404 --> 00:38:02,907
And they're just there
to party and smoke pot
852
00:38:02,948 --> 00:38:05,743
and especially,
in a very extended sequence,
853
00:38:05,785 --> 00:38:08,120
have sex with prostitutes.
854
00:38:08,162 --> 00:38:10,831
It invokes this whole
kind of privilege
855
00:38:10,873 --> 00:38:14,710
of paying to do something
to somebody else.
856
00:38:14,752 --> 00:38:17,046
But it's just like
everyone's out for themselves.
857
00:38:17,087 --> 00:38:18,506
You're not meeting friends.
858
00:38:18,547 --> 00:38:19,900
You're meeting someone
who could be the person
859
00:38:19,924 --> 00:38:23,052
that's gonna kill
and rape and murder you.
860
00:38:23,093 --> 00:38:24,220
You're very patient.
861
00:38:24,261 --> 00:38:25,971
I don't... I don't remember...
862
00:38:26,013 --> 00:38:28,182
- It was 45 minutes.
- Yeah, you go 45 minutes.
863
00:38:28,224 --> 00:38:29,493
Then we kill
our first character.
864
00:38:29,517 --> 00:38:33,229
In that time, you are
865
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:37,024
allowing us to identify
with the soon-to-be victims,
866
00:38:37,066 --> 00:38:39,610
but you're also
subtlety allowing us
867
00:38:39,652 --> 00:38:42,613
- to hate them in a weird way.
- Mm-hmm.
868
00:38:42,655 --> 00:38:44,198
'Cause they're being
kind of rude...
869
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:45,950
they're being so American.
870
00:38:45,991 --> 00:38:48,619
So by the time
you get to the killing,
871
00:38:48,661 --> 00:38:50,329
we're half identifying
with the killer,
872
00:38:50,371 --> 00:38:52,665
half identifying with
the victim, and I think
873
00:38:52,706 --> 00:38:55,960
that part of it is the
weirdest thing about horror.
874
00:38:56,001 --> 00:38:59,046
Like, we need to be able
to identify
875
00:38:59,088 --> 00:39:01,799
with that dark side of us
that maybe wants
876
00:39:01,841 --> 00:39:03,717
to kill somebody sometimes.
877
00:39:03,759 --> 00:39:05,636
I am an American.
I got rights.
878
00:39:05,678 --> 00:39:07,221
Get the out!
879
00:39:07,263 --> 00:39:09,473
What I think is important
and interesting
880
00:39:09,515 --> 00:39:13,143
about "Hostel" is that
it doesn't allow the viewer
881
00:39:13,185 --> 00:39:16,272
to feel that sense
that the American
882
00:39:16,313 --> 00:39:21,819
is exempt from implication
in the War on Terror
883
00:39:21,861 --> 00:39:23,654
and in the use of torture.
884
00:39:23,696 --> 00:39:25,030
Who are you?
885
00:39:25,072 --> 00:39:26,991
- What the...
- where the am I?
886
00:39:27,032 --> 00:39:28,718
I guess it's kind of like
a pushback kind of?
887
00:39:28,742 --> 00:39:30,411
- Mm-hmm.
- Like, oh, you think
888
00:39:30,452 --> 00:39:32,329
you rule the world?
You don't.
889
00:39:32,371 --> 00:39:35,123
The first extended scene
of torture that we have
890
00:39:35,124 --> 00:39:36,834
is of this kind of privileged,
891
00:39:36,876 --> 00:39:39,295
young, white American male.
892
00:39:39,336 --> 00:39:42,673
And we see his body
kind of taken away
893
00:39:42,715 --> 00:39:45,593
secretively to this
foreign torture center
894
00:39:45,634 --> 00:39:48,637
and tortured in an act
that reminds us
895
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:51,098
of the extraordinary
rendition program.
896
00:39:51,140 --> 00:39:52,266
No!
897
00:39:53,767 --> 00:39:55,644
And the viewer identifying
with Josh,
898
00:39:55,686 --> 00:39:57,187
you know,
is forced in a position
899
00:39:57,229 --> 00:39:59,189
of having to imagine themselves
900
00:39:59,231 --> 00:40:01,108
as being subject to torture.
901
00:40:03,569 --> 00:40:04,987
There are people that,
you know,
902
00:40:05,029 --> 00:40:06,780
watch torture videos.
903
00:40:06,822 --> 00:40:08,032
And you pay a certain amount,
904
00:40:08,073 --> 00:40:10,200
and you can become
Mr. Director.
905
00:40:10,242 --> 00:40:12,536
And the fact that that exists
906
00:40:12,578 --> 00:40:15,414
internationally
in much poorer countries
907
00:40:15,456 --> 00:40:17,666
where, you know,
maybe the parents have died
908
00:40:17,708 --> 00:40:19,168
and the kids are easier
to get,
909
00:40:19,209 --> 00:40:21,587
it's a really
disgusting quality
910
00:40:21,629 --> 00:40:23,130
that exists in humanity
911
00:40:23,172 --> 00:40:24,649
that we don't even want
to talk about.
912
00:40:24,673 --> 00:40:26,967
And I think that's why
we just got a little peek
913
00:40:27,009 --> 00:40:28,802
of a window into it
in "Hostel."
914
00:40:28,844 --> 00:40:31,889
And it was too much
for most people to accept.
915
00:40:31,931 --> 00:40:34,266
The real world
is much scarier than anything
916
00:40:34,308 --> 00:40:38,646
that Eli Roth or Stephen King
could come up with.
917
00:40:38,687 --> 00:40:41,106
It's a really disturbing,
sick, violent world
918
00:40:41,148 --> 00:40:43,192
we live in.
Horror films reflect that.
919
00:40:43,233 --> 00:40:45,569
And horror films
are a way of people
920
00:40:45,611 --> 00:40:48,614
coming to terms with
the violence in society,
921
00:40:48,656 --> 00:40:50,449
trying to deal with it
and trying to,
922
00:40:50,491 --> 00:40:52,493
you know,
escape it a lot of ways.
923
00:40:54,244 --> 00:40:56,622
We're not allowed to be
scared anywhere in life.
924
00:40:56,664 --> 00:40:59,083
I hear from soldiers
on military bases
925
00:40:59,124 --> 00:41:00,501
that were watching "Hostel"
926
00:41:00,542 --> 00:41:02,127
and watching my films
and screaming.
927
00:41:02,169 --> 00:41:03,647
And, like,
they're dealing with death,
928
00:41:03,671 --> 00:41:05,506
but they're not allowed
to be afraid.
929
00:41:05,547 --> 00:41:07,967
But for 90 minutes, you can
be afraid and not be a coward.
930
00:41:10,427 --> 00:41:13,222
More than any other monster
in horror,
931
00:41:13,263 --> 00:41:15,432
the slasher taps
into our primal fear
932
00:41:15,474 --> 00:41:17,184
of the predator.
933
00:41:17,226 --> 00:41:18,906
And when that predator
comes in human form,
934
00:41:18,936 --> 00:41:20,854
you have to wonder...
935
00:41:22,856 --> 00:41:25,192
"Will I be
the resourceful survivor..."
936
00:41:33,993 --> 00:41:36,412
"Or just another kill?"
937
00:41:36,453 --> 00:41:38,414
He's gone.
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