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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,926 --> 00:00:09,636 When you say "slasher movies," 2 00:00:09,677 --> 00:00:12,180 that's when the killer became the star. 3 00:00:12,222 --> 00:00:15,600 Don't go in there! 4 00:00:15,642 --> 00:00:17,519 "Halloween," it happens to be the Cadillac 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:18,728 of slasher movies. 6 00:00:18,770 --> 00:00:20,522 You don't know what it is... 7 00:00:21,981 --> 00:00:24,901 That makes Michael Myers go, "Her!" 8 00:00:24,943 --> 00:00:27,737 "Psycho" was the first time I was aware of the editing. 9 00:00:27,779 --> 00:00:29,739 The assembly of pieces of film... 10 00:00:31,324 --> 00:00:32,659 To create fright. 11 00:00:32,700 --> 00:00:34,244 "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" 12 00:00:34,285 --> 00:00:35,912 is one of the most important movies. 13 00:00:35,954 --> 00:00:37,806 That ratchets up horror to a whole other level. 14 00:00:37,830 --> 00:00:39,749 That's the one that defined me. 15 00:00:39,791 --> 00:00:42,168 Sometimes you just want to sit down and watch Jason 16 00:00:42,210 --> 00:00:44,462 take out a lot of stupid teenagers. 17 00:00:44,504 --> 00:00:47,257 There are a number of pictures where you're able 18 00:00:47,298 --> 00:00:49,551 to actually take your deepest, 19 00:00:49,592 --> 00:00:53,012 most antisocial impulses for a walk. 20 00:00:53,054 --> 00:00:54,973 "Horror" became a dirty word 21 00:00:55,014 --> 00:00:56,599 in the late '70s, early '80s. 22 00:00:56,641 --> 00:00:57,809 These films hate women. 23 00:00:57,850 --> 00:01:00,562 55% of that audience was women. 24 00:01:00,603 --> 00:01:04,399 They're the final girls. That's who you identify with. 25 00:01:37,140 --> 00:01:38,975 There's the moment in "Halloween" 26 00:01:39,017 --> 00:01:42,145 where I'm standing behind... This house. 27 00:01:43,021 --> 00:01:45,857 I don't know anybody yet. I'm 19 years old, 28 00:01:45,898 --> 00:01:49,235 and saying to myself, "What am I doing? 29 00:01:49,277 --> 00:01:50,737 How do I do this?" 30 00:01:50,778 --> 00:01:52,614 And then you hear, "All right, everybody. 31 00:01:52,655 --> 00:01:53,990 "Here we go, we're rolling! 32 00:01:54,032 --> 00:01:55,617 Cameras rolling!" 33 00:01:55,658 --> 00:01:57,994 And I have to start screaming. 34 00:01:58,036 --> 00:02:00,955 And I had never screamed in my life. 35 00:02:00,997 --> 00:02:04,459 Who screams? 36 00:02:14,469 --> 00:02:16,846 No! 37 00:02:16,888 --> 00:02:19,098 I suppose, for a lot of people 38 00:02:19,140 --> 00:02:22,310 who grew up on "Friday the 13th," 39 00:02:22,352 --> 00:02:27,231 "Halloween," "Scream," horror equals gore. 40 00:02:30,610 --> 00:02:31,611 You have the idea 41 00:02:31,653 --> 00:02:32,987 that all horror films 42 00:02:33,029 --> 00:02:34,214 are slasher films, which is wrong, 43 00:02:34,238 --> 00:02:36,074 and then you have the idea 44 00:02:36,115 --> 00:02:38,576 that, uh, slasher films are purely misogynistic 45 00:02:38,618 --> 00:02:41,162 and that the only people who watch them are men, 46 00:02:41,204 --> 00:02:42,830 and that's also wrong. 47 00:02:42,872 --> 00:02:44,749 narrator: The most extreme form 48 00:02:44,791 --> 00:02:48,628 of horror films... slashers... have been vilified 49 00:02:48,670 --> 00:02:50,213 since they first came on the scene. 50 00:02:50,254 --> 00:02:51,732 narrator: But they have also 51 00:02:51,756 --> 00:02:53,841 been tremendously popular. 52 00:02:53,883 --> 00:02:55,802 The worst of them can still be entertaining. 53 00:02:55,843 --> 00:02:59,263 The best of them tell us brutal truths about ourselves, 54 00:02:59,305 --> 00:03:01,224 our fears, and our secret desires. 55 00:03:11,234 --> 00:03:14,362 1974, Bob Clark comes in 56 00:03:14,404 --> 00:03:15,822 with "Black Christmas." 57 00:03:20,910 --> 00:03:24,747 That is the first POV of slasher: 58 00:03:24,789 --> 00:03:28,042 girls in the sorority house over the holiday... 59 00:03:29,836 --> 00:03:31,963 But that becomes sort of the... the precursor 60 00:03:32,004 --> 00:03:34,382 to John Carpenter, who comes in with "Halloween." 61 00:03:45,059 --> 00:03:47,437 "Halloween," technically, is a slasher movie. 62 00:03:47,478 --> 00:03:49,564 but it happens to be the Cadillac 63 00:03:49,605 --> 00:03:51,065 of slasher movies. 64 00:03:54,652 --> 00:03:56,946 "Halloween" also made 65 00:03:56,988 --> 00:03:59,699 horror films mainstream. 66 00:03:59,741 --> 00:04:01,242 It was one of the ones that 67 00:04:01,284 --> 00:04:04,203 people who "don't like horror movies" still watch. 68 00:04:05,788 --> 00:04:08,624 "Halloween" is remarkably effective, 69 00:04:08,666 --> 00:04:12,336 like, from the opening long take of a child 70 00:04:12,378 --> 00:04:14,005 looking through a mask. 71 00:04:14,046 --> 00:04:16,048 A young boy murders his sister 72 00:04:16,090 --> 00:04:19,010 and is put away in a mental institution. 73 00:04:19,051 --> 00:04:21,971 And 16 years later... 74 00:04:22,013 --> 00:04:24,265 he escapes and comes back to the town 75 00:04:24,307 --> 00:04:27,435 and to the scene of the crime. 76 00:04:27,477 --> 00:04:29,645 And over the course of Halloween day, 77 00:04:29,687 --> 00:04:32,690 Michael Myers slowly lets his presence known 78 00:04:32,732 --> 00:04:34,233 to Laurie Strode. 79 00:04:34,275 --> 00:04:36,944 Tommy, hurry up! 80 00:04:36,986 --> 00:04:39,655 Tommy, please! 81 00:04:39,697 --> 00:04:41,258 This is rare in a lot of horror films... 82 00:04:41,282 --> 00:04:43,242 actually, like, a likeable lead. 83 00:04:43,284 --> 00:04:44,827 You know, in "Friday the 13th," 84 00:04:44,869 --> 00:04:46,913 you want both of those actors to die. 85 00:04:46,954 --> 00:04:48,206 You don't want 86 00:04:48,247 --> 00:04:49,832 Jamie Lee Curtis to die. 87 00:04:49,874 --> 00:04:52,418 You want Jamie Lee Curtis to survive. 88 00:04:52,460 --> 00:04:54,921 I think it all had to do with emotion. 89 00:04:54,962 --> 00:04:57,715 John said very clearly what he wanted. 90 00:04:57,757 --> 00:04:59,759 He said, "I really want her vulnerability." 91 00:04:59,801 --> 00:05:01,302 It's why he cast me, apparently, 92 00:05:01,344 --> 00:05:05,097 and I didn't really understand that at 19. 93 00:05:06,974 --> 00:05:09,602 And I learned what John meant 94 00:05:09,644 --> 00:05:11,521 when I went and saw the movie 95 00:05:11,562 --> 00:05:13,815 in Hollywood at a theater. 96 00:05:13,856 --> 00:05:17,151 There's the sequence where Laurie Strode leaves 97 00:05:17,193 --> 00:05:19,946 the babysitting house... 98 00:05:19,987 --> 00:05:22,865 and there's this long walk between the two houses. 99 00:05:22,907 --> 00:05:25,284 And of course, the entire audience 100 00:05:25,326 --> 00:05:27,036 started screaming, 101 00:05:27,078 --> 00:05:30,206 "Don't go in there!" 102 00:05:32,166 --> 00:05:35,503 And that's when I understood what John was going for 103 00:05:35,545 --> 00:05:37,338 was that you cared enough about her 104 00:05:37,380 --> 00:05:39,799 that you would tell her, "Don't do this." 105 00:05:41,634 --> 00:05:43,636 So much of horror is about mood, atmosphere, 106 00:05:43,678 --> 00:05:45,680 and cinematic style. 107 00:05:45,721 --> 00:05:48,099 John Carpenter using the wide screen 108 00:05:48,140 --> 00:05:51,435 and the Panaglide camera starting with "Halloween," 109 00:05:51,477 --> 00:05:54,063 it's something that makes the film 110 00:05:54,105 --> 00:05:56,190 that much more effective. 111 00:05:59,193 --> 00:06:01,654 When I met John, I was immediately impressed 112 00:06:01,696 --> 00:06:03,489 that he wanted to use the camera 113 00:06:03,531 --> 00:06:06,659 to tell the story, rather than just a recording device. 114 00:06:06,701 --> 00:06:09,287 The Steadicam... the Panaglide at the time... 115 00:06:09,328 --> 00:06:11,873 was one of those tools that John and I looked at 116 00:06:11,914 --> 00:06:14,542 as being a key technique... 117 00:06:14,584 --> 00:06:17,211 moving the camera fluidly. 118 00:06:18,963 --> 00:06:21,507 You didn't know where Michael Myers was. 119 00:06:21,549 --> 00:06:23,217 You know, you saw him outside, 120 00:06:23,259 --> 00:06:25,343 and then you'd be in making out, you know, 121 00:06:25,344 --> 00:06:27,014 on a couch, and it's like, 122 00:06:27,054 --> 00:06:29,640 "Okay, he's out there someplace." 123 00:06:29,682 --> 00:06:31,159 Like, you'll watch a lot of these movies 124 00:06:31,183 --> 00:06:32,935 and you're not scared anymore. 125 00:06:32,977 --> 00:06:34,897 And when you think, of like, Michael Myers, like, 126 00:06:34,937 --> 00:06:38,232 I was freaked out for years. 127 00:06:38,274 --> 00:06:42,194 Just the idea of some, just, dude popping out of places... 128 00:06:42,236 --> 00:06:45,281 and murdering you real quick. 129 00:06:48,492 --> 00:06:51,162 Oh! 130 00:06:51,203 --> 00:06:53,956 Michael Myers is the human being 131 00:06:53,998 --> 00:06:57,543 that's actually a wolf wearing a human face. 132 00:06:57,585 --> 00:07:00,046 You know, the human that just ain't human. 133 00:07:06,052 --> 00:07:08,554 What you saw in the sequels was an attempt 134 00:07:08,596 --> 00:07:11,724 to kind of shoehorn in, uh, 135 00:07:11,766 --> 00:07:13,517 other characters or other mythologies 136 00:07:13,559 --> 00:07:15,186 just to make it more interesting. 137 00:07:15,227 --> 00:07:18,731 In "Halloween Il," they make it that Laurie 138 00:07:18,773 --> 00:07:20,983 and Michael Myers are brother and sister. 139 00:07:21,025 --> 00:07:22,360 That Strode girl? 140 00:07:22,401 --> 00:07:25,780 That's Michael Myers' sister. 141 00:07:25,821 --> 00:07:27,198 He's not her brother. 142 00:07:27,239 --> 00:07:28,407 She's not his sister. 143 00:07:28,449 --> 00:07:29,867 That's just bull. 144 00:07:29,909 --> 00:07:31,911 Nobody was coming from that point of view 145 00:07:31,953 --> 00:07:33,704 when they were making the first one. 146 00:07:33,746 --> 00:07:36,165 And what makes the first one so good 147 00:07:36,207 --> 00:07:39,126 is the fact that you don't know what it is 148 00:07:39,168 --> 00:07:42,380 that makes Michael Myers go, "Her." 149 00:07:44,090 --> 00:07:46,008 "Halloween" was one of the first films 150 00:07:46,050 --> 00:07:48,886 to really initiate the final girl as a trope. 151 00:07:48,928 --> 00:07:51,889 A main character who's a woman 152 00:07:51,931 --> 00:07:53,975 who is first a victim 153 00:07:54,016 --> 00:07:57,228 and ultimately, a survivor who fights back. 154 00:07:59,271 --> 00:08:00,690 It's a formula that really worked, 155 00:08:00,731 --> 00:08:03,818 and it's become so common 156 00:08:03,859 --> 00:08:05,903 that I think most people don't even think about it. 157 00:08:05,945 --> 00:08:07,839 Go upstairs, get Lindsey, and lock the bedroom door. 158 00:08:07,863 --> 00:08:09,198 - I'm scared! - Do as I say! 159 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,367 - The boogeyman... - It's pure. 160 00:08:11,409 --> 00:08:14,370 There's something very pure and clean about it. 161 00:08:14,412 --> 00:08:15,871 No! 162 00:08:15,913 --> 00:08:19,250 Innocence and danger coming together 163 00:08:19,291 --> 00:08:20,543 with that music 164 00:08:20,584 --> 00:08:22,003 and that camera work 165 00:08:22,044 --> 00:08:23,754 and the performances 166 00:08:23,796 --> 00:08:26,966 is why I think we're still talking about it today. 167 00:08:27,008 --> 00:08:28,676 narrator: John Carpenter's "Halloween" 168 00:08:28,718 --> 00:08:30,886 launched the slasher boom of the '80s. 169 00:08:30,928 --> 00:08:33,889 Its influence is still felt today. 170 00:08:33,931 --> 00:08:35,391 But it didn't come out of nowhere. 171 00:08:40,980 --> 00:08:42,481 Good evening. 172 00:08:44,066 --> 00:08:45,735 I have some news that will delight you. 173 00:08:49,864 --> 00:08:52,783 Murder is not dead. 174 00:08:52,825 --> 00:08:55,286 Starting with, uh, Alfred Hitchcock's "Psycho" 175 00:08:55,327 --> 00:08:57,413 in 1960, 176 00:08:57,455 --> 00:09:01,751 we started seeing a new approach to horror. 177 00:09:01,792 --> 00:09:06,213 It was the, uh... the horror that didn't come out of, uh, 178 00:09:06,255 --> 00:09:09,633 some grotesque radioactive anomaly, 179 00:09:09,675 --> 00:09:12,303 but it could be lurking next door. 180 00:09:12,344 --> 00:09:14,472 A nice young man like Norman Bates 181 00:09:14,513 --> 00:09:17,016 could be the new Frankenstein, the new Dracula. 182 00:09:17,058 --> 00:09:18,218 Do you go out with friends? 183 00:09:22,063 --> 00:09:24,857 Well, a... a boy's best friend is his mother. 184 00:09:24,899 --> 00:09:26,942 Hitch always thought it was a comedy. 185 00:09:26,984 --> 00:09:28,360 He always claimed that. 186 00:09:28,402 --> 00:09:30,488 The content, as such, 187 00:09:30,529 --> 00:09:32,448 was, I felt, rather amusing. 188 00:09:32,490 --> 00:09:34,867 My mother, um... what is the phrase... 189 00:09:36,869 --> 00:09:38,746 She isn't quite herself today. 190 00:09:38,788 --> 00:09:41,040 But it's very perverted 191 00:09:41,082 --> 00:09:42,625 and very sick. 192 00:09:42,666 --> 00:09:44,293 There's hangers in the closet 193 00:09:44,335 --> 00:09:46,545 and stationery with "Bates Motel" printed on it, 194 00:09:46,587 --> 00:09:48,231 in case you want to make your friends back home 195 00:09:48,255 --> 00:09:49,965 feel envious. 196 00:09:50,007 --> 00:09:51,425 And the, uh... 197 00:09:53,803 --> 00:09:55,721 Over there. 198 00:09:55,763 --> 00:09:57,389 - The bathroom. - Yeah. 199 00:09:57,431 --> 00:09:59,183 One of the big things 200 00:09:59,225 --> 00:10:01,203 that I think to this day was still shocking about "Psycho" 201 00:10:01,227 --> 00:10:02,603 was you killed the protagonist 202 00:10:02,645 --> 00:10:03,955 - 40 minutes in to the movie. - Yeah. 203 00:10:03,979 --> 00:10:05,689 Even knowing that the shower scene 204 00:10:05,731 --> 00:10:07,334 was coming, I was like, "Wait, she can't be the one 205 00:10:07,358 --> 00:10:08,960 - who gets killed." - "There's so much movie left." 206 00:10:13,447 --> 00:10:14,865 No! 207 00:10:14,907 --> 00:10:17,785 "Psycho" raised terror to a level 208 00:10:17,827 --> 00:10:19,995 that I had never seen, anyway, 209 00:10:20,037 --> 00:10:22,540 because it was near realistic. 210 00:10:22,581 --> 00:10:23,916 No! 211 00:10:23,958 --> 00:10:26,168 Before "Psycho," that was not imaginable, 212 00:10:26,210 --> 00:10:28,003 that level of terror. 213 00:10:30,673 --> 00:10:32,133 "Psycho" and Hitchcock 214 00:10:32,174 --> 00:10:34,927 brought terror into your shower. 215 00:10:34,969 --> 00:10:37,680 "Psycho" was the first time I was aware of the editing... 216 00:10:41,684 --> 00:10:43,269 And how your mind gets tricked, 217 00:10:43,310 --> 00:10:44,478 and what you see off-camera. 218 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,148 This process of frightening 219 00:10:47,189 --> 00:10:49,900 is done by means 220 00:10:49,942 --> 00:10:51,902 of a given medium: 221 00:10:51,944 --> 00:10:54,155 the medium of pure cinema. 222 00:10:55,656 --> 00:10:57,950 The assembly of pieces of film 223 00:10:57,992 --> 00:10:59,743 to create fright. 224 00:11:01,745 --> 00:11:03,873 That shower scene is one of the most iconic pieces 225 00:11:03,914 --> 00:11:06,167 of cinema ever to be created, 226 00:11:06,208 --> 00:11:08,961 so much so that it's... it's burned in people's brains 227 00:11:09,003 --> 00:11:10,629 who haven't even seen the movie. 228 00:11:12,423 --> 00:11:14,508 People know that Bernard Herrmann's score... 229 00:11:14,550 --> 00:11:16,385 the... You know, 230 00:11:16,427 --> 00:11:19,221 kids grow up, like, doing that with that sound, 231 00:11:19,263 --> 00:11:21,223 not knowing what it's from. 232 00:11:21,265 --> 00:11:24,185 Like, talk about having made a cultural impact. 233 00:11:27,188 --> 00:11:30,274 Bernard Herrmann's score to the film was very dramatic, 234 00:11:30,316 --> 00:11:33,194 very... very propulsive. 235 00:11:33,235 --> 00:11:35,946 It's virtually impossible 236 00:11:35,988 --> 00:11:38,616 for a horror composer 237 00:11:38,657 --> 00:11:42,203 not to have to wrestle with the "Psycho" score. 238 00:11:43,787 --> 00:11:45,956 You cannot avoid it. You have to deal with it. 239 00:11:48,542 --> 00:11:52,087 In 1960, I'm sure people regarded the shower scene 240 00:11:52,129 --> 00:11:54,632 in "Psycho" as having gone too far. 241 00:11:56,884 --> 00:11:59,678 Like, "Alfred Hitchcock's gone too far this time." 242 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,472 But it's indelible, it's... 243 00:12:01,513 --> 00:12:03,515 they're indelible images, and they're, like, 244 00:12:03,557 --> 00:12:05,935 forever, like, sort of in your brain and, like, 245 00:12:05,976 --> 00:12:10,064 people have bad dreams thinking about those movies. 246 00:12:10,105 --> 00:12:12,358 John Carpenter, you know, was greatly influenced 247 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:15,027 by "Psycho," even to the point of casting 248 00:12:15,069 --> 00:12:17,029 Janet Lee's daughter, Jamie Lee Curtis, 249 00:12:17,071 --> 00:12:18,697 in the lead role. 250 00:12:18,739 --> 00:12:23,702 Ironic that it's the same genre... 251 00:12:23,744 --> 00:12:25,871 same family. 252 00:12:25,913 --> 00:12:29,166 Obviously, it was the biggest... 253 00:12:29,208 --> 00:12:31,543 thing in her life, 254 00:12:31,585 --> 00:12:34,213 as I know that "Halloween" is mine. 255 00:12:34,255 --> 00:12:36,966 So when I jokingly say to you, 256 00:12:37,007 --> 00:12:40,344 ""Halloween' Actress Dies"... 257 00:12:40,386 --> 00:12:41,887 that's what it will say. 258 00:12:41,929 --> 00:12:44,640 Nothing else. 259 00:12:44,682 --> 00:12:47,726 Just like my mom. ""Psycho' Actress Dies." 260 00:12:49,728 --> 00:12:52,064 Because of Hitchcock, 261 00:12:52,106 --> 00:12:56,860 people will accept cinema first in a thriller... 262 00:12:56,902 --> 00:13:00,155 in a way they won't accept it in a love story, 263 00:13:00,197 --> 00:13:03,033 in a way they won't accept it in a period drama, 264 00:13:03,075 --> 00:13:05,411 in a way they won't accept it in almost... 265 00:13:05,452 --> 00:13:08,205 most every other genre, 266 00:13:08,247 --> 00:13:10,666 because Hitchcock taught people 267 00:13:10,708 --> 00:13:12,751 to be thinking of cinema first. 268 00:13:12,793 --> 00:13:15,337 We're just naturally okay 269 00:13:15,379 --> 00:13:18,424 with the camera taking off and doing things. 270 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,345 I think it's fair to say that "Psycho" 271 00:13:23,387 --> 00:13:24,680 was a turning point... 272 00:13:26,599 --> 00:13:28,435 Certainly in American filmmaking... 273 00:13:28,475 --> 00:13:30,227 and in Hollywood filmmaking, 274 00:13:30,269 --> 00:13:32,479 because there was no one more establishment 275 00:13:32,521 --> 00:13:34,315 than Alfred Hitchcock. 276 00:13:37,234 --> 00:13:38,902 And there was no turning back. 277 00:13:38,944 --> 00:13:41,322 There was no turning back. 278 00:13:41,363 --> 00:13:44,700 narrator: "Psycho" influenced every horror film to come, 279 00:13:44,742 --> 00:13:46,702 and it paved the way for a new kind 280 00:13:46,744 --> 00:13:48,412 of movie monster... 281 00:13:48,454 --> 00:13:49,872 narrator: The chainsaw-wielding 282 00:13:49,913 --> 00:13:51,790 serial killer. 283 00:14:03,344 --> 00:14:05,054 If you think about the landmarks 284 00:14:05,095 --> 00:14:06,472 "Psycho" and "Halloween," 285 00:14:06,513 --> 00:14:08,015 clearly the bridge between the two 286 00:14:08,057 --> 00:14:09,784 is Tobe Hooper's "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre." 287 00:14:09,808 --> 00:14:11,393 Yeah. 288 00:14:14,188 --> 00:14:15,948 Out of every movie that we've talked about, 289 00:14:15,981 --> 00:14:18,233 that's the one that defined me. 290 00:14:18,275 --> 00:14:20,152 Like, that's everything I wanted in a movie 291 00:14:20,194 --> 00:14:22,112 and everything I ever wanted to do in movies. 292 00:14:22,154 --> 00:14:24,114 It was just disgusting and nasty, 293 00:14:24,156 --> 00:14:26,992 and that redneck thing... 294 00:14:27,034 --> 00:14:28,428 - Relentless. - That movie just changed 295 00:14:28,452 --> 00:14:29,870 the way I thought about movies. 296 00:14:29,912 --> 00:14:31,205 - Yeah. - Instantly. 297 00:14:34,625 --> 00:14:36,436 We decided to re-watch "Texas Chainsaw Massacre," 298 00:14:36,460 --> 00:14:38,837 like, a month ago. I watched it eight times. 299 00:14:41,382 --> 00:14:43,182 "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" is one of the most 300 00:14:43,217 --> 00:14:46,887 important movies, to me, of all horror films. 301 00:14:46,929 --> 00:14:50,140 You walk into a movie called "Texas Chainsaw Massacre," 302 00:14:50,182 --> 00:14:52,851 and you expect the worst. 303 00:14:52,893 --> 00:14:54,144 And you get it. 304 00:15:06,573 --> 00:15:09,618 It was incredibly potent and visceral... 305 00:15:11,328 --> 00:15:13,539 There was an imagination... a dark imagination... 306 00:15:13,580 --> 00:15:15,332 that had no limits. 307 00:15:21,255 --> 00:15:23,465 It just starts with that great, 308 00:15:23,507 --> 00:15:27,136 like, dreadful, somber narration 309 00:15:27,177 --> 00:15:28,762 at the beginning of the story. 310 00:15:38,647 --> 00:15:40,291 So right off the bat, you're thinking, "Wow, 311 00:15:40,315 --> 00:15:41,859 is this based on a true story?" 312 00:15:41,900 --> 00:15:44,820 And then they flash this date... 313 00:15:44,862 --> 00:15:47,739 It really feels like you were dropped 314 00:15:47,781 --> 00:15:51,160 into, uh, watching something happen for real. 315 00:15:51,201 --> 00:15:53,620 This heat is just driving me crazy, 316 00:15:53,662 --> 00:15:55,497 I don't know if I can take much more. 317 00:15:55,539 --> 00:15:57,350 - Listen, the condition... - "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" 318 00:15:57,374 --> 00:15:58,917 was the first one where I thought 319 00:15:58,959 --> 00:16:00,210 - they were real people. - Yeah. 320 00:16:00,252 --> 00:16:02,504 I never looked at them as actors. 321 00:16:04,214 --> 00:16:06,425 You don't see any on-screen violence. 322 00:16:06,467 --> 00:16:08,218 - It's all implied. - The hook... puts her 323 00:16:08,260 --> 00:16:09,863 - hanging on the meat hook. - When he picks her up, 324 00:16:09,887 --> 00:16:12,097 and he's holding her over the hook... 325 00:16:14,641 --> 00:16:15,893 And you came out of that movie 326 00:16:15,934 --> 00:16:17,603 certain that you remembered, 327 00:16:17,644 --> 00:16:19,664 "Oh, yeah, remember, you see the hook go through her." 328 00:16:19,688 --> 00:16:21,523 But your mind just put it all together. 329 00:16:21,565 --> 00:16:24,067 Stop. 330 00:16:26,862 --> 00:16:29,323 "Texas Chainsaw" is inspired 331 00:16:29,364 --> 00:16:32,618 by the Ed Gein story from, uh, Wisconsin. 332 00:16:34,620 --> 00:16:36,264 female reporter: It was a crime that shocked 333 00:16:36,288 --> 00:16:38,207 the small town of Plainfield, Wisconsin. 334 00:16:39,917 --> 00:16:41,668 Edward Gein, accused of killing a woman, 335 00:16:41,710 --> 00:16:45,547 then gutting her body like a slaughtered deer. 336 00:16:45,589 --> 00:16:48,884 Tobe told me that he... when he was a kid, 337 00:16:48,926 --> 00:16:52,012 they would tell him the story of this guy, Ed Gein. 338 00:16:52,054 --> 00:16:54,306 reporter: He would use those body parts and bones 339 00:16:54,348 --> 00:16:56,558 to make lamp shades and other furniture. 340 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,853 He would also wear dead female body parts. 341 00:17:01,855 --> 00:17:04,274 And so they used to use Ed Gein 342 00:17:04,316 --> 00:17:05,859 as a cautionary tale. 343 00:17:05,901 --> 00:17:08,195 "Don't be bad, or Ed Gein will come for you." 344 00:17:12,366 --> 00:17:15,160 Someone once said before Tobe Hooper, 345 00:17:15,202 --> 00:17:19,456 there had been plenty of films about psychopaths, 346 00:17:19,498 --> 00:17:21,333 but when you saw "Texas Chainsaw Massacre," 347 00:17:21,375 --> 00:17:23,293 it was the first time you saw a film that seemed 348 00:17:23,335 --> 00:17:25,754 like it had been directed by a psychopath. 349 00:17:25,796 --> 00:17:28,757 Tobe, he had a sweetness to him. 350 00:17:28,799 --> 00:17:32,219 At the same time, he would try to rip your head off 351 00:17:32,261 --> 00:17:34,972 if you... if you even messed with a frame of his movie. 352 00:17:35,013 --> 00:17:36,908 If you'll pardon my French, they didn't give a 353 00:17:36,932 --> 00:17:38,183 about what people thought 354 00:17:38,225 --> 00:17:40,269 about the movie they were making. 355 00:17:42,896 --> 00:17:44,606 The conditions of making that movie 356 00:17:44,648 --> 00:17:45,732 were so primitive. 357 00:17:45,774 --> 00:17:47,776 I mean, these guys, 358 00:17:47,818 --> 00:17:51,488 they borrowed 16-millimeter Aeroflex cameras 359 00:17:51,530 --> 00:17:53,282 from the University of Texas 360 00:17:53,323 --> 00:17:55,576 under the hottest, worst conditions. 361 00:17:55,617 --> 00:17:57,828 It was like 120 degrees, 362 00:17:57,869 --> 00:18:00,414 and they were like, "Let's go out there 363 00:18:00,455 --> 00:18:02,457 and stir it up." 364 00:18:02,499 --> 00:18:05,544 It was not a pleasant experience for anyone, 365 00:18:05,586 --> 00:18:07,170 and it's reflected in the film. 366 00:18:11,550 --> 00:18:13,427 I don't think Tobe Hooper set out 367 00:18:13,468 --> 00:18:17,722 to make a movie about Vietnam, but he could not help 368 00:18:17,723 --> 00:18:20,559 but reflect the rebellion that was going on. 369 00:18:20,601 --> 00:18:22,203 male reporter: Subsequent investigation... 370 00:18:22,227 --> 00:18:23,687 The times were political, 371 00:18:23,729 --> 00:18:26,315 and the times were, you... you know, 372 00:18:26,356 --> 00:18:28,734 steeped in Vietnam. 373 00:18:28,775 --> 00:18:31,403 Hit her, Grandpa! 374 00:18:33,572 --> 00:18:35,157 "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" 375 00:18:35,198 --> 00:18:37,868 is a very American story, 376 00:18:37,909 --> 00:18:41,163 and... and in some ways, uh, a capitalistic story. 377 00:18:41,204 --> 00:18:42,932 The place where they shoot the cattle in the head 378 00:18:42,956 --> 00:18:44,333 with that big air gun thing. 379 00:18:44,374 --> 00:18:46,835 Oh, that... that gun's no good. 380 00:18:46,877 --> 00:18:48,920 I was in there once with my uncle... 381 00:18:48,962 --> 00:18:50,547 What "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" 382 00:18:50,589 --> 00:18:52,466 is really about 383 00:18:52,507 --> 00:18:55,218 is a family of dispossessed workers. 384 00:18:55,260 --> 00:18:56,970 With a sledge. 385 00:18:57,012 --> 00:18:58,722 See, that was better. 386 00:18:58,764 --> 00:19:00,182 They died better that way. 387 00:19:00,223 --> 00:19:03,226 Because of automation and loss of jobs, 388 00:19:03,268 --> 00:19:05,771 they no longer have the means, you know, 389 00:19:05,812 --> 00:19:07,773 to earn th... a living for themselves. 390 00:19:07,814 --> 00:19:11,485 With the new way, people put out of jobs. 391 00:19:11,526 --> 00:19:13,904 The oppressed working class 392 00:19:13,945 --> 00:19:16,823 turn the tools of their trade 393 00:19:16,865 --> 00:19:19,034 back upon their former employers... 394 00:19:19,076 --> 00:19:21,787 the chainsaw, the hammer, and so on... 395 00:19:21,828 --> 00:19:25,123 but it's also tied in with psychic repression, 396 00:19:25,165 --> 00:19:27,501 because, like, people love the meat on their plate 397 00:19:27,542 --> 00:19:30,128 but don't want to think about how it gets made. 398 00:19:30,170 --> 00:19:33,090 And by substituting the teenagers for the cattle 399 00:19:33,131 --> 00:19:35,592 and the former dispossessed workers 400 00:19:35,634 --> 00:19:37,511 enacting revenge against them, 401 00:19:37,552 --> 00:19:40,555 it's a kind of un-repression both of meat itself 402 00:19:40,597 --> 00:19:42,724 and of working-class labor. 403 00:19:46,770 --> 00:19:48,230 And Tobe called that movie 404 00:19:48,271 --> 00:19:51,983 "a $60,000 flare" he shot up from Austin. 405 00:19:52,025 --> 00:19:53,920 And I mean, it's in the Museum of Modern Art now. 406 00:19:53,944 --> 00:19:56,446 It's a classic, but it's unmatched after that. 407 00:19:56,488 --> 00:19:59,741 I mean, that ratchets up horror to a whole other level. 408 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,663 narrator: "Texas Chainsaw," "Halloween," and "Psycho" 409 00:20:04,705 --> 00:20:06,915 opened the gates for a new kind of horror. 410 00:20:08,792 --> 00:20:11,586 But the slasher film as we know it was truly born 411 00:20:11,628 --> 00:20:13,839 with the most successful horror franchise 412 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,340 of all time... 413 00:20:17,175 --> 00:20:18,677 "Friday the 13th." 414 00:20:23,473 --> 00:20:26,017 narrator: When you think of "Friday the 13th," 415 00:20:26,059 --> 00:20:27,269 you think of dead teenagers... 416 00:20:29,521 --> 00:20:31,982 narrator: And the unstoppable Jason Voorhees. 417 00:20:33,775 --> 00:20:35,652 Growing up when I did, we all watched 418 00:20:35,694 --> 00:20:38,488 "Friday the 13th"... one, two, three, four, 419 00:20:38,530 --> 00:20:40,407 five, six, seven. 420 00:20:40,449 --> 00:20:41,867 Eight was horrible. 421 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:46,788 But in terms of character names... 422 00:20:46,830 --> 00:20:49,040 Jason Voorhees. 423 00:20:49,082 --> 00:20:51,168 It... it was just evil. 424 00:20:53,962 --> 00:20:57,674 I believe that I have murdered 425 00:20:57,716 --> 00:21:01,511 more people on film than any actor in history. 426 00:21:01,553 --> 00:21:06,725 I played Jason in four of the "Friday the 13th" films. 427 00:21:06,767 --> 00:21:09,519 There's a lot more to playing a character like Jason 428 00:21:09,561 --> 00:21:12,481 than throwing the mask on and, you know, 429 00:21:12,522 --> 00:21:14,232 walking around threateningly, 430 00:21:14,274 --> 00:21:17,986 because two of the major tools an actor uses 431 00:21:18,028 --> 00:21:20,906 are their facial expressions 432 00:21:20,947 --> 00:21:22,532 and their voice. 433 00:21:22,574 --> 00:21:25,243 So now, you take away both of those 434 00:21:25,285 --> 00:21:27,287 by making him silent 435 00:21:27,329 --> 00:21:29,956 and putting a mask on him. 436 00:21:34,503 --> 00:21:37,088 So I always was conscious 437 00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:40,342 of Jason never looking awkward 438 00:21:40,383 --> 00:21:42,177 or off-balance or weak. 439 00:21:42,219 --> 00:21:44,554 I would never look down to see where I was walking, 440 00:21:44,596 --> 00:21:46,389 because I thought it weakened the character. 441 00:21:49,309 --> 00:21:51,937 My favorite Jason kill... which was my favorite 442 00:21:51,978 --> 00:21:54,147 all-time kill for a long time... 443 00:21:54,189 --> 00:21:56,983 was the sleeping bag from "Part VII." 444 00:22:03,490 --> 00:22:05,617 I put my heart and soul into that character 445 00:22:05,659 --> 00:22:07,828 and loved playing it. 446 00:22:07,869 --> 00:22:10,622 Name the killer in "Friday the 13th." 447 00:22:10,664 --> 00:22:13,208 Jason! Jason! Jason! 448 00:22:13,250 --> 00:22:16,378 I'm sorry. That's the wrong answer. 449 00:22:18,296 --> 00:22:20,966 narrator: Jason is synonymous with "Friday the 13th," 450 00:22:21,007 --> 00:22:24,511 but he's barely seen in the original film. 451 00:22:24,553 --> 00:22:27,848 The rest of the formula, though, was in place. 452 00:22:27,889 --> 00:22:29,349 "Friday the 13th" is a story 453 00:22:29,391 --> 00:22:30,725 about a group of camp counselors 454 00:22:30,767 --> 00:22:32,185 who've come up to set up a camp... 455 00:22:32,227 --> 00:22:34,604 Well, come on. Let's go. 456 00:22:34,646 --> 00:22:36,273 I thought we had two weeks. 457 00:22:36,314 --> 00:22:38,108 And have been sort of targeted 458 00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:39,776 by a mysterious killer. 459 00:22:39,818 --> 00:22:41,820 No... 460 00:22:43,655 --> 00:22:44,823 No... 461 00:22:49,578 --> 00:22:51,705 One or two or three of them get picked off, 462 00:22:51,746 --> 00:22:55,292 and you say, "Oh, my goodness, anybody could go at any time." 463 00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:57,836 Something's wrong with Ned. 464 00:22:57,878 --> 00:22:59,921 That was, I think, part of the... the secret 465 00:22:59,963 --> 00:23:03,300 to the suspense that we were able to create. 466 00:23:05,218 --> 00:23:07,554 It must be my imagination. 467 00:23:16,271 --> 00:23:19,274 We needed somebody that knew a lot more than we did 468 00:23:19,316 --> 00:23:20,984 about how to pull off a special effect. 469 00:23:21,026 --> 00:23:22,611 You wanna stab somebody with a knife. 470 00:23:22,652 --> 00:23:24,154 How do you do it? You can't just get 471 00:23:24,195 --> 00:23:26,239 a rubber knife and... and start... 472 00:23:26,281 --> 00:23:27,741 You know, going at people. 473 00:23:27,782 --> 00:23:28,992 And we were fortunate enough 474 00:23:29,034 --> 00:23:30,827 to run into a guy named Tom Savini, 475 00:23:30,869 --> 00:23:33,872 and he just couldn't wait 476 00:23:33,914 --> 00:23:36,708 to get involved, and he had such wonderful, 477 00:23:36,750 --> 00:23:38,668 positive energy. 478 00:23:40,754 --> 00:23:44,549 Kevin Bacon was, uh, sitting upright underneath the bed. 479 00:23:44,591 --> 00:23:48,261 His... only his head came through the bed. 480 00:23:50,055 --> 00:23:52,098 So I'm actually pushing the arrow through 481 00:23:52,140 --> 00:23:54,392 the fake chest and neck, 482 00:23:54,434 --> 00:23:57,729 and my assistant, uh, was pumping the blood. 483 00:23:57,771 --> 00:24:00,732 Now, while he was pumping the blood, the tubing came off 484 00:24:00,774 --> 00:24:02,817 the blood pump, and during the take, 485 00:24:02,859 --> 00:24:04,986 he grabbed it and blew through it, 486 00:24:05,028 --> 00:24:07,614 which caused the nice gurgling of the blood. 487 00:24:10,992 --> 00:24:13,119 So it was a happy accident that made the effect, 488 00:24:13,161 --> 00:24:14,913 you know, a I... so much better. 489 00:24:14,955 --> 00:24:17,707 What makes "Friday the 13th" a classic 490 00:24:17,749 --> 00:24:19,918 is the reveal of Mrs. Voorhees. 491 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,128 Steve! 492 00:24:22,170 --> 00:24:24,214 Oh, Steve! 493 00:24:27,258 --> 00:24:29,219 Who are you? 494 00:24:29,260 --> 00:24:31,054 Well, I... I'm Mrs. Voorhees, 495 00:24:31,096 --> 00:24:33,014 an old friend of the Christys'. 496 00:24:33,056 --> 00:24:35,684 Everyone's trying to survive, uh, 497 00:24:35,725 --> 00:24:37,477 as they're being knocked off one by one 498 00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:39,580 by a killer that they don't know, and then you reveal 499 00:24:39,604 --> 00:24:41,606 it's the mother of this drowned boy. 500 00:24:41,648 --> 00:24:44,442 You see, Jason was my son. 501 00:24:44,484 --> 00:24:49,447 A mother was driven mad by her child drowning 502 00:24:49,489 --> 00:24:52,075 and seeing the world ignore it and go by 503 00:24:52,117 --> 00:24:53,660 and think that they can just restart 504 00:24:53,702 --> 00:24:55,203 and go on with their lives. 505 00:24:55,245 --> 00:24:57,330 The manifestation of grief is actually 506 00:24:57,372 --> 00:25:00,333 very poetic and relatable. 507 00:25:02,669 --> 00:25:05,213 We started to hear some of the score 508 00:25:05,255 --> 00:25:07,841 that Harry was writing for the first "Friday the 13th," 509 00:25:07,882 --> 00:25:10,468 and this... this... 510 00:25:10,510 --> 00:25:12,345 Kept coming up. 511 00:25:16,141 --> 00:25:20,478 You remember a scene at the very end, uh... 512 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,899 where Mrs. Voorhees... uh, Betsy Palmer, rest her soul. 513 00:25:24,941 --> 00:25:28,028 Dear Betsy. We hear, uh, her son go... 514 00:25:28,069 --> 00:25:29,946 "Kill her, Mommy. 515 00:25:29,988 --> 00:25:31,364 Kill her." 516 00:25:31,406 --> 00:25:33,783 And that's what kicked it off for me. 517 00:25:33,825 --> 00:25:37,454 I went, "She hears voices in her head." 518 00:25:37,495 --> 00:25:39,539 I went up to a microphone and went, 519 00:25:39,581 --> 00:25:41,166 "K... ma..." 520 00:25:41,207 --> 00:25:42,834 And then it came out... 521 00:25:42,876 --> 00:25:44,669 Kih... mah... 522 00:25:44,711 --> 00:25:47,589 And it literally became the signature 523 00:25:47,630 --> 00:25:50,467 of that series, the sound that... 524 00:25:50,508 --> 00:25:52,260 what they call "the Jason sound." 525 00:25:52,302 --> 00:25:55,346 Look what you did to him! 526 00:26:03,563 --> 00:26:05,523 I remember thinking the movie was over. 527 00:26:05,565 --> 00:26:07,233 You remember, she was on the lake. 528 00:26:07,275 --> 00:26:08,836 And I thought the m... I legitimately was like, 529 00:26:08,860 --> 00:26:10,278 "Aw, the movie's over. 530 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,572 She's at the boat." 531 00:26:17,368 --> 00:26:20,330 He jumped out that water. I lost it. 532 00:26:20,371 --> 00:26:22,415 I don't even know how I fell for that. 533 00:26:22,457 --> 00:26:24,000 To this day... 534 00:26:24,042 --> 00:26:26,461 was the loudest I ever screamed in my life. 535 00:26:26,503 --> 00:26:29,047 The boy, Jason. 536 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:31,925 Jason? 537 00:26:31,966 --> 00:26:33,093 Nobody knew that was 538 00:26:33,134 --> 00:26:35,095 going to become a franchise, 539 00:26:35,136 --> 00:26:37,555 but it was certainly easy to replicate. 540 00:26:42,936 --> 00:26:46,356 The... my biggest regret is putting the bag over his head. 541 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,277 So then, doing "Part Ill," 542 00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:54,739 this guy we had hired as a... as a 3-D expert 543 00:26:54,781 --> 00:26:56,116 was also a hockey player. 544 00:26:56,157 --> 00:26:57,492 And I was trying to figure out... 545 00:26:57,534 --> 00:26:58,677 you know, I wasn't gonna do the bag again. 546 00:26:58,701 --> 00:27:00,078 "What are we gonna do?" 547 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:01,746 And one day, he walked into my office 548 00:27:01,788 --> 00:27:04,958 with a goalie mask and said, "How about this?" 549 00:27:08,878 --> 00:27:10,004 It was perfect. 550 00:27:10,046 --> 00:27:11,256 It was, immediately... 551 00:27:11,297 --> 00:27:12,549 that was gonna be great. 552 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,764 I don't understand how, in the first one, 553 00:27:19,806 --> 00:27:21,975 he's like an 11-year-old who jumps out of the lake, 554 00:27:22,016 --> 00:27:24,102 and then he's built like a... 555 00:27:24,144 --> 00:27:25,603 a WCW wrestler. 556 00:27:27,188 --> 00:27:29,023 I don't understand what happened 557 00:27:29,065 --> 00:27:30,567 where he suddenly got all jacked. 558 00:27:33,611 --> 00:27:34,946 You know, after the first movies 559 00:27:34,988 --> 00:27:36,573 and the subsequent sequels became, 560 00:27:36,614 --> 00:27:38,867 "Who are these, you know, awful kids 561 00:27:38,908 --> 00:27:40,451 "that we sort of hate and we can't wait 562 00:27:40,493 --> 00:27:41,870 for Jason to take them out?" 563 00:27:50,795 --> 00:27:54,048 I've always thought that the slasher films of the 1980s 564 00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:55,717 didn't really work as horror fiction. 565 00:27:55,758 --> 00:27:58,136 But they worked pretty well as slapstick comedies... 566 00:28:01,764 --> 00:28:03,975 And the reason for that is, you know, 567 00:28:04,017 --> 00:28:06,311 the characters are never allowed to be anything 568 00:28:06,352 --> 00:28:08,146 except one-dimensional types. 569 00:28:08,188 --> 00:28:09,856 You've got a gang of teenagers. 570 00:28:09,898 --> 00:28:11,774 You've got the jock. You've got the stoner. 571 00:28:11,816 --> 00:28:13,985 You've got the slut. You've got the virgin. 572 00:28:14,027 --> 00:28:15,445 You never care about them, 573 00:28:15,486 --> 00:28:16,946 you never fall in love with them, 574 00:28:16,988 --> 00:28:18,740 and so when the serial killer starts 575 00:28:18,781 --> 00:28:21,868 knocking them off one by one... 576 00:28:21,910 --> 00:28:25,288 You laugh instead of recoil in horror, 577 00:28:25,330 --> 00:28:28,249 because he's actually more of a personality than they are. 578 00:28:31,586 --> 00:28:33,630 With the success 579 00:28:33,671 --> 00:28:35,173 of "Friday the 13th" and the success 580 00:28:35,215 --> 00:28:37,634 of "Halloween," people just were... 581 00:28:37,675 --> 00:28:40,511 producers were ravenous to find material 582 00:28:40,553 --> 00:28:44,057 and knowing that, "Oh, well this is the formula." 583 00:28:46,893 --> 00:28:49,020 One of the by-products of... of the success 584 00:28:49,062 --> 00:28:51,731 of "Friday the 13th" and a few other movies 585 00:28:51,773 --> 00:28:54,609 was that people on the outside are looking in, saying, 586 00:28:54,651 --> 00:28:56,611 "Oh, they killed ten people 587 00:28:56,653 --> 00:28:58,029 "and they made a lot of money. 588 00:28:58,071 --> 00:28:59,906 "We'll kill 20 people, 589 00:28:59,948 --> 00:29:02,992 and we'll make a lot more than that." 590 00:29:06,579 --> 00:29:08,081 narrator: By the early '80s, 591 00:29:08,122 --> 00:29:09,832 slasher movies glutted the market. 592 00:29:09,874 --> 00:29:11,501 Audiences loved them, 593 00:29:11,542 --> 00:29:14,003 but they also inspired outright hatred. 594 00:29:15,922 --> 00:29:17,650 narrator: Where some saw harmless entertainment, 595 00:29:17,674 --> 00:29:19,425 others saw a threat to society. 596 00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:26,057 Come on, baby. 597 00:29:26,099 --> 00:29:27,934 Light my fire. 598 00:29:27,976 --> 00:29:29,727 You bet I will. 599 00:29:32,730 --> 00:29:34,565 I gotta tell you something, 600 00:29:34,607 --> 00:29:37,527 the worst horror movie I ever saw was great, okay? 601 00:29:37,568 --> 00:29:39,296 - Yeah, that's true. - That's the way that I am, 602 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,989 because I go in there and I say, 603 00:29:41,030 --> 00:29:42,907 "What am I gonna see? I don't know." 604 00:29:42,949 --> 00:29:45,576 A movie that's PG-13 605 00:29:45,618 --> 00:29:47,078 that's a horror movie, 606 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,289 it's gotta be scary in some way 607 00:29:49,330 --> 00:29:50,999 that's really artistic. 608 00:29:55,586 --> 00:29:58,298 Once you get to R and once you get to Unrated, 609 00:29:58,339 --> 00:30:00,341 you're saying, "I don't know what I'm gonna see." 610 00:30:00,383 --> 00:30:03,261 I got one word for you: "Maniac." 611 00:30:09,142 --> 00:30:11,227 "Maniac" is one of my favorite movies, 612 00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:12,871 and I had a feeling you'd like it, which is why... 613 00:30:12,895 --> 00:30:14,123 - "Maniac"... oh, of course. - As a gift for you, 614 00:30:14,147 --> 00:30:15,541 I brought you a "Maniaction" figure. 615 00:30:15,565 --> 00:30:16,858 Holy! 616 00:30:16,899 --> 00:30:18,318 We did not rehearse this, folks. 617 00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:20,194 Look! 618 00:30:20,236 --> 00:30:21,571 A "Maniaction" figure. 619 00:30:21,612 --> 00:30:23,614 I'm so excited, I almost dropped it! 620 00:30:23,656 --> 00:30:25,908 It's a "Maniac" bloody scalp. 621 00:30:25,950 --> 00:30:28,077 - It's... isn't that sweet? - Yeah, it really is. 622 00:30:28,119 --> 00:30:29,996 I mean, I don't know how to thank you for that. 623 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,421 "Maniac" is about a guy named Frank Zito 624 00:30:38,463 --> 00:30:41,382 who's a very... ah, oddball character 625 00:30:41,424 --> 00:30:43,968 who stalks young women. 626 00:30:44,010 --> 00:30:46,971 And he scalps them and he takes their scalps home 627 00:30:47,013 --> 00:30:48,723 and he puts them on these mannequins. 628 00:30:48,765 --> 00:30:50,433 And it is here he sort of struggles 629 00:30:50,475 --> 00:30:54,020 with this relationship he had with his mother. 630 00:30:54,062 --> 00:30:56,773 I will never... 631 00:30:59,150 --> 00:31:02,612 let them take you away from me. 632 00:31:02,653 --> 00:31:05,281 It's a very minimalist look at what happens 633 00:31:05,323 --> 00:31:06,592 inside the mind of a serial killer. 634 00:31:06,616 --> 00:31:09,160 - You bitch! - What... 635 00:31:11,162 --> 00:31:13,498 What're you... doing... 636 00:31:14,957 --> 00:31:16,250 Stop it! 637 00:31:16,292 --> 00:31:18,503 What are you doing? 638 00:31:18,544 --> 00:31:21,464 I mean, the original "Maniac" is mean, 639 00:31:21,506 --> 00:31:25,676 but it's actually really powerful and, 640 00:31:25,718 --> 00:31:27,762 thanks to Joe Spinell's performance, 641 00:31:27,804 --> 00:31:29,889 kind of emotional. 642 00:31:29,931 --> 00:31:34,560 Why'd you make me do that? 643 00:31:34,602 --> 00:31:38,106 I didn't wanna do it. 644 00:31:38,147 --> 00:31:41,234 It really, like, went too far. 645 00:31:41,275 --> 00:31:43,277 You know, watching that movie, you really felt like 646 00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:45,863 the killing scenes were really protracted 647 00:31:45,905 --> 00:31:47,865 and really brutal and really grim. 648 00:31:49,742 --> 00:31:51,911 When that movie came out, it was so controversial 649 00:31:51,953 --> 00:31:53,871 You know, a lot of women were protesting it 650 00:31:53,913 --> 00:31:56,016 because this idea that it was misogynistic, of course. 651 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,043 You know, it's like all these movies get this label 652 00:31:59,085 --> 00:32:01,629 of being misogynistic because the victims 653 00:32:01,671 --> 00:32:02,755 are primarily women. 654 00:32:02,797 --> 00:32:04,882 ...again. 655 00:32:04,924 --> 00:32:07,009 I don't feel like the film's misogynistic at all. 656 00:32:07,051 --> 00:32:09,178 As a matter of fact, I feel, as a woman, 657 00:32:09,220 --> 00:32:12,181 it really represents a realism to me. 658 00:32:12,223 --> 00:32:13,349 It's... it's... it's like 659 00:32:13,391 --> 00:32:14,934 a cathartic experience in a way, 660 00:32:14,976 --> 00:32:18,062 because women live in that sort of world every day, 661 00:32:18,104 --> 00:32:19,564 where we have to be hyperaware 662 00:32:19,605 --> 00:32:21,524 of who's around us and what could happen. 663 00:32:23,276 --> 00:32:25,069 narrator: "Maniac" ends with a group of women 664 00:32:25,111 --> 00:32:27,113 taking brutal revenge on the killer. 665 00:32:27,155 --> 00:32:29,323 And this... 666 00:32:29,365 --> 00:32:32,118 narrator: Today, many horror fans and film scholars 667 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,412 consider it a classic, but in the '80s, 668 00:32:34,454 --> 00:32:37,415 "Maniac" helped set off a moral panic. 669 00:32:39,292 --> 00:32:41,669 Horror became a... a dirty word, I think, 670 00:32:41,711 --> 00:32:43,421 in the late '70s, early '80s, 671 00:32:43,463 --> 00:32:45,631 and I think that the reason for that was the... 672 00:32:45,673 --> 00:32:47,592 the explosion of slasher movies. 673 00:33:00,354 --> 00:33:02,148 A new breed of "shriek merchants" 674 00:33:02,190 --> 00:33:04,484 has exploited the once honorable genre 675 00:33:04,525 --> 00:33:06,152 of the terror film. 676 00:33:06,194 --> 00:33:09,363 It was a very cheap form of horror entertainment, 677 00:33:09,405 --> 00:33:11,949 and those slasher films got a lot of bad press 678 00:33:11,991 --> 00:33:13,284 for brutalizing women, 679 00:33:13,326 --> 00:33:15,495 for violence, for the gore, 680 00:33:15,536 --> 00:33:17,830 and... and the people making legitimate horror films 681 00:33:17,872 --> 00:33:20,416 were afraid that they were gonna be tainted, uh, 682 00:33:20,458 --> 00:33:23,503 by the legacy of a lot of these slasher knock-offs. 683 00:33:23,544 --> 00:33:25,105 I think a lot of people have the wrong idea. 684 00:33:25,129 --> 00:33:27,131 They identify these films with earlier thrillers 685 00:33:27,173 --> 00:33:28,925 like "Psycho," or even a more recent film 686 00:33:28,966 --> 00:33:30,676 like "Halloween," which we both like. 687 00:33:30,718 --> 00:33:32,278 These films aren't in the same category. 688 00:33:32,303 --> 00:33:34,347 These films hate women. 689 00:33:37,058 --> 00:33:38,643 But don't you find that 690 00:33:38,684 --> 00:33:41,229 in a really effective horror movie, 691 00:33:41,270 --> 00:33:43,064 blood stains the critics' eyes? 692 00:33:43,105 --> 00:33:44,857 Like, once you get blood in your eyes... 693 00:33:44,899 --> 00:33:46,692 - Yes, yes. - You can't wash it out. 694 00:33:46,734 --> 00:33:48,670 - They can't see anything else... - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 695 00:33:48,694 --> 00:33:50,571 Other than the kill, and they also feel like 696 00:33:50,613 --> 00:33:52,031 if they like the movie, 697 00:33:52,073 --> 00:33:53,866 that they're endorsing that for real... 698 00:33:53,908 --> 00:33:55,409 - or that kind of violence. - Yeah. 699 00:33:55,451 --> 00:33:57,095 So... so most often, those reviews just become 700 00:33:57,119 --> 00:33:58,847 a soapbox to be like, "Look, I'm a good person. 701 00:33:58,871 --> 00:34:00,540 "I'm a good person. I don't like 702 00:34:00,581 --> 00:34:02,226 this sort of thing," but the truth is, we love it. 703 00:34:02,250 --> 00:34:04,710 It's like it's... it's the enjoying fantasy, 704 00:34:04,752 --> 00:34:06,504 enjoying a scary story. It's like, it's... 705 00:34:06,546 --> 00:34:09,298 it's no different from "Grimms' Fairy Tales." 706 00:34:11,926 --> 00:34:14,762 The slasher films celebrate the female character 707 00:34:14,804 --> 00:34:16,556 because they're the final girls. 708 00:34:16,597 --> 00:34:19,141 The people who... who survive the slasher movies 709 00:34:19,183 --> 00:34:21,269 are the final girls, 710 00:34:21,310 --> 00:34:23,271 and that's who you identify with, 711 00:34:23,312 --> 00:34:24,689 and that's the smart one. 712 00:34:24,730 --> 00:34:26,315 The women are the ones who are smart. 713 00:34:26,357 --> 00:34:28,293 It's the sex-crazed guys bringing their girlfriends 714 00:34:28,317 --> 00:34:30,236 to have sex that, you know, get slaughtered. 715 00:34:32,238 --> 00:34:34,323 Most of the feminists who were against horror 716 00:34:34,365 --> 00:34:36,826 were not really watching these films 717 00:34:36,867 --> 00:34:38,536 or analyzing them, you know? 718 00:34:38,578 --> 00:34:40,538 They were just sort of, like, "Pornography is bad. 719 00:34:40,580 --> 00:34:42,039 Horror films are bad." You know? 720 00:34:42,081 --> 00:34:43,934 So they weren't actually engaging with the genre. 721 00:34:43,958 --> 00:34:46,377 These women in danger films all really boil down 722 00:34:46,419 --> 00:34:48,296 to just one same image, 723 00:34:48,337 --> 00:34:49,880 one disturbing image: 724 00:34:49,922 --> 00:34:52,592 a woman screaming in abject terror. 725 00:34:52,633 --> 00:34:54,194 Usually it's the people who don't actually 726 00:34:54,218 --> 00:34:55,720 know anything about the topic 727 00:34:55,761 --> 00:34:57,430 that are the loudest complainers about it. 728 00:34:57,471 --> 00:34:59,557 And unfortunately, the audiences that go to them 729 00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:01,267 don't seem to like women too much, either. 730 00:35:01,309 --> 00:35:03,227 In the '80s, "The New York Times" conducted, 731 00:35:03,269 --> 00:35:05,730 um, a poll with theatergoers 732 00:35:05,771 --> 00:35:07,982 to find out who was seeing these slasher films, 733 00:35:08,024 --> 00:35:10,359 and they found out that 45% of the audience 734 00:35:10,401 --> 00:35:12,320 was made up of adolescents. 735 00:35:12,361 --> 00:35:15,113 55% of that audience was women. 736 00:35:17,116 --> 00:35:19,201 narrator: "Maniac," its slasher cousins, 737 00:35:19,243 --> 00:35:20,786 and the Reagan assassination attempt... 738 00:35:22,663 --> 00:35:24,123 Triggered a crackdown 739 00:35:24,165 --> 00:35:25,499 on realistic violence and gore. 740 00:35:25,541 --> 00:35:27,418 By 1984, 741 00:35:27,460 --> 00:35:30,338 the golden age of slasher films was over, 742 00:35:30,379 --> 00:35:32,715 but audiences still wanted their scares. 743 00:35:32,757 --> 00:35:34,842 So film makers created 744 00:35:34,884 --> 00:35:36,594 a new kind of monster. 745 00:35:41,098 --> 00:35:43,517 Okay, show her. 746 00:35:45,394 --> 00:35:48,105 Well, is it a Good Guy or not? 747 00:35:48,147 --> 00:35:50,066 It is. It is! 748 00:35:50,107 --> 00:35:51,734 - Wow. - A Good Guy! 749 00:35:51,776 --> 00:35:53,527 One of the first experiences of horror 750 00:35:53,569 --> 00:35:56,656 was, uh, "Child's Play." 751 00:35:56,697 --> 00:35:58,699 Hi, I'm Chucky, 752 00:35:58,741 --> 00:36:00,284 and I'm your friend to the end. 753 00:36:00,326 --> 00:36:02,286 Hi-de-ho! 754 00:36:02,328 --> 00:36:03,639 When I first saw that, 755 00:36:03,663 --> 00:36:05,039 I was about four... 756 00:36:05,081 --> 00:36:06,499 four or five. 757 00:36:06,540 --> 00:36:08,417 So it was just this little doll and it was cute 758 00:36:08,459 --> 00:36:11,170 and then all of the sudden, it just came alive. 759 00:36:11,212 --> 00:36:12,672 And it's... it's always those moments 760 00:36:12,713 --> 00:36:14,548 where the camera is moving... 761 00:36:17,885 --> 00:36:20,596 But you don't... it's kind of the POV of the doll 762 00:36:20,638 --> 00:36:23,683 that just, like... it... it just drove me crazy. 763 00:36:29,939 --> 00:36:31,249 And I can be honest. To this day, 764 00:36:31,273 --> 00:36:32,983 I'm still affected by that. 765 00:36:33,025 --> 00:36:35,903 Nobody believes you about Chucky. 766 00:36:35,945 --> 00:36:38,989 Unless you start telling the truth... 767 00:36:39,031 --> 00:36:40,950 right now... 768 00:36:40,991 --> 00:36:43,035 they're going to take you away from me. 769 00:36:43,077 --> 00:36:44,412 It's about a mother trying 770 00:36:44,453 --> 00:36:46,580 to hold her family together, 771 00:36:46,622 --> 00:36:49,041 defend her... her son against this, you know... 772 00:36:49,083 --> 00:36:51,669 against the charges of being a... a murderer. 773 00:36:51,711 --> 00:36:53,754 I mean, a seven-year-old boy? Horrible. 774 00:36:53,796 --> 00:36:55,297 And the boy may be mad. 775 00:36:55,339 --> 00:36:57,091 He keeps insisting that his little... 776 00:36:57,133 --> 00:36:58,968 that his doll is talking to him. 777 00:36:59,009 --> 00:37:00,636 Come on, Chucky, 778 00:37:00,678 --> 00:37:02,596 say something! 779 00:37:02,638 --> 00:37:04,265 Tell me! 780 00:37:04,306 --> 00:37:06,267 Hi, I'm Chucky, 781 00:37:06,308 --> 00:37:08,269 and I'm your friend to the end. 782 00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:09,979 Hi-dee-ho! 783 00:37:13,274 --> 00:37:15,568 To me, horror is always about 784 00:37:15,609 --> 00:37:17,153 violating the sacred. 785 00:37:17,194 --> 00:37:19,864 Take a child... something that we all look at 786 00:37:19,905 --> 00:37:23,033 and coo over and look after and dote on... 787 00:37:23,075 --> 00:37:24,452 and make them... 788 00:37:24,493 --> 00:37:27,246 the most evil out there. 789 00:37:27,288 --> 00:37:30,791 And a child's toy is sacred too. 790 00:37:30,833 --> 00:37:33,586 These are things we grow up with, and you... 791 00:37:33,627 --> 00:37:36,881 you... you basically cast horror's black shadow, uh, 792 00:37:36,922 --> 00:37:41,218 over all this sacred, righteous stuff. 793 00:37:41,260 --> 00:37:42,762 You stupid bitch! 794 00:37:42,803 --> 00:37:44,263 You filthy slut! 795 00:37:44,305 --> 00:37:46,140 I'll teach you to with me! 796 00:37:46,182 --> 00:37:48,017 - No! No! - In the 1980s, 797 00:37:48,058 --> 00:37:50,269 advertisers had started 798 00:37:50,311 --> 00:37:53,731 to target children directly. 799 00:37:53,773 --> 00:37:56,108 Brought to you exclusively by Play Pals, 800 00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:58,068 makers of Good Guys and other fine toys. 801 00:37:58,110 --> 00:37:59,862 It's like children had become 802 00:37:59,904 --> 00:38:02,031 these little consumerist monsters 803 00:38:02,072 --> 00:38:04,450 who could, you know, coerce their parents 804 00:38:04,492 --> 00:38:06,494 into getting them more and more stuff 805 00:38:06,535 --> 00:38:08,370 that they didn't need. 806 00:38:08,412 --> 00:38:10,664 - Well, what do you think? - I want a Good Guy 807 00:38:10,706 --> 00:38:12,333 to go with it. 808 00:38:12,374 --> 00:38:14,710 I know you do, Andy, but I didn't know about it 809 00:38:14,752 --> 00:38:16,712 in time this month to save up for it. 810 00:38:16,754 --> 00:38:19,215 I remember my mother telling me 811 00:38:19,256 --> 00:38:21,634 a crazy story about fighting someone 812 00:38:21,675 --> 00:38:25,012 in a dark alley for a Cabbage Patch Kid. 813 00:38:25,054 --> 00:38:27,932 ♪ I got my doll, I got my doll! ♪ 814 00:38:27,973 --> 00:38:30,142 We can see this line between 815 00:38:30,184 --> 00:38:32,895 the "direct to children as consumers" advertising 816 00:38:32,937 --> 00:38:35,523 on the one hand and the potential consequences 817 00:38:35,564 --> 00:38:39,735 of what that brings into the home on the other. 818 00:38:44,740 --> 00:38:48,077 I was asking for... for them to create a doll 819 00:38:48,118 --> 00:38:49,912 that had never been created before 820 00:38:49,954 --> 00:38:51,455 to do things on film that had never 821 00:38:51,497 --> 00:38:53,332 been done before. 822 00:38:53,374 --> 00:38:56,084 This is a breath before CGI. There was no way out. 823 00:38:56,085 --> 00:38:58,255 It was all on camera, live or die. 824 00:39:00,089 --> 00:39:02,883 And we built the apartment up... the apartment set... 825 00:39:02,925 --> 00:39:06,512 four feet off the ground. 826 00:39:06,554 --> 00:39:08,222 We punched holes through the set 827 00:39:08,264 --> 00:39:10,182 behind the doll so you couldn't see the wires 828 00:39:10,224 --> 00:39:12,309 directly behind it. 829 00:39:17,940 --> 00:39:20,818 I mean, I used every trick in the book 830 00:39:20,860 --> 00:39:23,445 to try to maintain... 831 00:39:23,487 --> 00:39:26,782 the illusion that the doll was alive and moving. 832 00:39:26,824 --> 00:39:29,159 Hi. 833 00:39:29,201 --> 00:39:30,536 It's me, Chucky. 834 00:39:30,578 --> 00:39:33,372 What do you think? 835 00:39:33,414 --> 00:39:36,375 Mommy... 836 00:39:36,417 --> 00:39:37,978 I mean, think about it: you're being chased 837 00:39:38,002 --> 00:39:40,880 by something this big with a knife! 838 00:39:40,921 --> 00:39:42,256 You know, I mean... 839 00:39:42,298 --> 00:39:43,841 You know, how do you sell that? 840 00:39:46,635 --> 00:39:49,179 Well... did, didn't we? 841 00:39:49,221 --> 00:39:51,265 Chucky is a piece of horror history. 842 00:39:51,307 --> 00:39:52,808 Chucky's face sits 843 00:39:52,850 --> 00:39:55,561 on that horror Hall of Fame board 844 00:39:55,603 --> 00:39:57,938 right next to the guy in the hockey mask, 845 00:39:57,980 --> 00:40:00,524 right next to the Michael Myers mask, 846 00:40:00,566 --> 00:40:02,318 Freddy's glove... 847 00:40:02,359 --> 00:40:03,527 he's in there. 848 00:40:06,655 --> 00:40:08,198 narrator: "Child's Play" was violent, 849 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:09,783 but no one would mistake it 850 00:40:09,825 --> 00:40:12,036 for the grim realism of "Maniac." 851 00:40:18,751 --> 00:40:21,086 narrator: Chucky was following a trail blazed 852 00:40:21,128 --> 00:40:22,755 by one of the most famous characters 853 00:40:22,796 --> 00:40:24,173 in the history of horror... 854 00:40:24,214 --> 00:40:27,259 Freddy Krueger. 855 00:40:27,301 --> 00:40:28,886 You know, "Nightmare on Elm Street" 856 00:40:28,928 --> 00:40:30,512 came out in 1984, 857 00:40:30,554 --> 00:40:32,264 and I remember seeing that movie 858 00:40:32,306 --> 00:40:34,099 and I was so excited about the fact that, 859 00:40:34,141 --> 00:40:36,560 "Ooh, there's a new twist to this sub-genre," 860 00:40:36,602 --> 00:40:38,896 that now the rules of... 861 00:40:38,938 --> 00:40:42,358 of any sort of world don't apply. 862 00:40:42,399 --> 00:40:44,151 narrator: In part two, we'll see how 863 00:40:44,193 --> 00:40:45,819 "A Nightmare on Elm Street" 864 00:40:45,861 --> 00:40:48,155 brought slashers back from the grave... 865 00:40:48,197 --> 00:40:50,324 Freddy is in the imagination 866 00:40:50,366 --> 00:40:51,784 of the person he's haunting... 867 00:40:51,825 --> 00:40:53,577 And the imagination 868 00:40:53,619 --> 00:40:55,371 is larger than life. 869 00:40:55,412 --> 00:40:57,247 narrator: Dive into the psychosexual darkness 870 00:40:57,289 --> 00:40:58,999 of "Candyman"... 871 00:40:59,041 --> 00:41:00,834 You have to be able to deliver the scares, 872 00:41:00,876 --> 00:41:02,604 and you have to be able to make people talk about it 873 00:41:02,628 --> 00:41:04,630 long after you've gone. 874 00:41:04,672 --> 00:41:06,775 narrator: Watch as "Scream" turns the genre inside-out... 875 00:41:06,799 --> 00:41:08,509 I thought I was in 876 00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:10,219 a documentary about a serial killer, 877 00:41:10,260 --> 00:41:14,473 and they're playing this, you know, for laughs. 878 00:41:14,515 --> 00:41:15,975 narrator: "The Silence of the Lambs" 879 00:41:16,016 --> 00:41:17,934 makes grisly horror respectable. 880 00:41:17,935 --> 00:41:19,229 Love your suit. 881 00:41:20,980 --> 00:41:23,065 narrator: And 21st-century anxiety leads 882 00:41:23,107 --> 00:41:26,902 to the no-holds-barred terror of "Saw" and "Hostel." 883 00:41:26,944 --> 00:41:28,862 People who don't 884 00:41:28,904 --> 00:41:31,865 see these films take them way more seriously 885 00:41:31,907 --> 00:41:33,826 than the people who do. 886 00:41:33,867 --> 00:41:35,577 We wanted to make something 887 00:41:35,619 --> 00:41:37,997 that was super scary, and we'd inadvertently 888 00:41:38,038 --> 00:41:40,958 become known as the kings of torture porn. 65899

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