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When you say
"slasher movies,"
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that's when the killer
became the star.
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Don't go in there!
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"Halloween," it happens
to be the Cadillac
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of slasher movies.
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You don't know what it is...
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That makes
Michael Myers go, "Her!"
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"Psycho" was the first time
I was aware of the editing.
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The assembly
of pieces of film...
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To create fright.
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"Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
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is one of the most
important movies.
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That ratchets up horror
to a whole other level.
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That's the one
that defined me.
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Sometimes you just want
to sit down and watch Jason
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take out a lot
of stupid teenagers.
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There are a number
of pictures where you're able
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to actually take your deepest,
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most antisocial impulses
for a walk.
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"Horror" became a dirty word
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in the late '70s, early '80s.
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These films hate women.
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55% of that audience
was women.
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They're the final girls.
That's who you identify with.
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There's the moment
in "Halloween"
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where I'm standing behind...
This house.
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I don't know anybody yet.
I'm 19 years old,
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and saying to myself,
"What am I doing?
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How do I do this?"
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And then you hear,
"All right, everybody.
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"Here we go, we're rolling!
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Cameras rolling!"
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And I have to start screaming.
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And I had never screamed
in my life.
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Who screams?
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No!
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I suppose,
for a lot of people
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who grew up on
"Friday the 13th,"
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"Halloween," "Scream,"
horror equals gore.
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You have the idea
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that all horror films
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are slasher films,
which is wrong,
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and then you have the idea
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that, uh, slasher films
are purely misogynistic
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and that the only people
who watch them are men,
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and that's also wrong.
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narrator: The most
extreme form
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of horror films... slashers...
have been vilified
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since they first
came on the scene.
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narrator: But they have also
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been tremendously popular.
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The worst of them
can still be entertaining.
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The best of them tell us
brutal truths about ourselves,
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our fears,
and our secret desires.
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1974, Bob Clark comes in
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with "Black Christmas."
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That is the first
POV of slasher:
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girls in the sorority house
over the holiday...
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But that becomes
sort of the... the precursor
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to John Carpenter,
who comes in with "Halloween."
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"Halloween," technically,
is a slasher movie.
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but it happens to be
the Cadillac
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of slasher movies.
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"Halloween" also made
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horror films mainstream.
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It was one of the ones that
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people who "don't like
horror movies" still watch.
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"Halloween"
is remarkably effective,
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like, from the opening
long take of a child
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looking through a mask.
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A young boy
murders his sister
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and is put away
in a mental institution.
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And 16 years later...
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he escapes
and comes back to the town
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and to the scene of the crime.
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And over the course
of Halloween day,
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Michael Myers slowly
lets his presence known
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to Laurie Strode.
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Tommy, hurry up!
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Tommy, please!
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This is rare in a lot
of horror films...
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actually, like,
a likeable lead.
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You know,
in "Friday the 13th,"
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you want both
of those actors to die.
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You don't want
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Jamie Lee Curtis to die.
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You want Jamie Lee Curtis
to survive.
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I think it all had
to do with emotion.
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John said very clearly
what he wanted.
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He said, "I really want
her vulnerability."
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It's why he cast me,
apparently,
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and I didn't really
understand that at 19.
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And I learned what John meant
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when I went
and saw the movie
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in Hollywood at a theater.
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There's the sequence
where Laurie Strode leaves
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the babysitting house...
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and there's this long walk
between the two houses.
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And of course,
the entire audience
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started screaming,
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"Don't go in there!"
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And that's when I understood
what John was going for
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was that you cared enough
about her
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that you would tell her,
"Don't do this."
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So much of horror
is about mood, atmosphere,
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and cinematic style.
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John Carpenter
using the wide screen
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and the Panaglide camera
starting with "Halloween,"
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it's something
that makes the film
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that much more effective.
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When I met John,
I was immediately impressed
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that he wanted
to use the camera
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to tell the story, rather than
just a recording device.
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The Steadicam...
the Panaglide at the time...
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was one of those tools
that John and I looked at
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as being a key technique...
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moving the camera fluidly.
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You didn't know
where Michael Myers was.
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You know,
you saw him outside,
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and then you'd be in
making out, you know,
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on a couch, and it's like,
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"Okay, he's out there
someplace."
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Like, you'll watch a lot
of these movies
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and you're not scared anymore.
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And when you think, of like,
Michael Myers, like,
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I was freaked out for years.
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Just the idea of some, just,
dude popping out of places...
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and murdering
you real quick.
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Oh!
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Michael Myers
is the human being
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that's actually a wolf
wearing a human face.
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You know, the human
that just ain't human.
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What you saw in the sequels
was an attempt
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to kind of shoehorn in, uh,
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other characters
or other mythologies
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just to make it
more interesting.
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In "Halloween Il,"
they make it that Laurie
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and Michael Myers
are brother and sister.
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That Strode girl?
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That's Michael Myers' sister.
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He's not her brother.
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She's not his sister.
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That's just bull.
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Nobody was coming
from that point of view
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when they were making
the first one.
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And what makes
the first one so good
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is the fact that
you don't know what it is
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that makes
Michael Myers go, "Her."
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"Halloween" was one
of the first films
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to really initiate
the final girl as a trope.
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A main character
who's a woman
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who is first a victim
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and ultimately, a survivor
who fights back.
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It's a formula
that really worked,
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and it's become so common
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that I think most people
don't even think about it.
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Go upstairs, get Lindsey,
and lock the bedroom door.
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- I'm scared!
- Do as I say!
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- The boogeyman...
- It's pure.
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There's something very pure
and clean about it.
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No!
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Innocence and danger
coming together
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with that music
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and that camera work
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and the performances
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is why I think we're still
talking about it today.
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narrator: John Carpenter's
"Halloween"
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launched the slasher boom
of the '80s.
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Its influence
is still felt today.
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But it didn't come out
of nowhere.
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Good evening.
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I have some news
that will delight you.
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Murder is not dead.
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Starting with, uh,
Alfred Hitchcock's "Psycho"
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in 1960,
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we started seeing
a new approach to horror.
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It was the, uh... the horror
that didn't come out of, uh,
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some grotesque
radioactive anomaly,
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but it could be
lurking next door.
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A nice young man
like Norman Bates
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could be the new Frankenstein,
the new Dracula.
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Do you go out with friends?
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Well, a... a boy's best friend
is his mother.
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Hitch always thought
it was a comedy.
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He always claimed that.
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The content, as such,
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was, I felt, rather amusing.
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My mother, um...
what is the phrase...
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She isn't quite herself today.
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But it's very perverted
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and very sick.
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There's hangers in the closet
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and stationery with
"Bates Motel" printed on it,
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in case you want to make
your friends back home
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feel envious.
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And the, uh...
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Over there.
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- The bathroom.
- Yeah.
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One of the big things
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that I think to this day was
still shocking about "Psycho"
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was you killed the protagonist
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- 40 minutes in to the movie.
- Yeah.
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Even knowing that
the shower scene
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was coming, I was like,
"Wait, she can't be the one
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- who gets killed."
- "There's so much movie left."
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No!
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"Psycho" raised terror
to a level
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that I had never seen, anyway,
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because it was near realistic.
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No!
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Before "Psycho,"
that was not imaginable,
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that level of terror.
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"Psycho" and Hitchcock
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brought terror
into your shower.
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"Psycho" was the first time
I was aware of the editing...
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And how your mind
gets tricked,
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and what you see off-camera.
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This process of frightening
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is done by means
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of a given medium:
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the medium of pure cinema.
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The assembly of pieces of film
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to create fright.
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That shower scene is one
of the most iconic pieces
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of cinema
ever to be created,
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so much so that it's...
it's burned in people's brains
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who haven't even seen
the movie.
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People know that
Bernard Herrmann's score...
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the...
You know,
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kids grow up, like, doing
that with that sound,
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not knowing what it's from.
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Like, talk about
having made a cultural impact.
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Bernard Herrmann's score
to the film was very dramatic,
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very... very propulsive.
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It's virtually impossible
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for a horror composer
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not to have to wrestle
with the "Psycho" score.
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You cannot avoid it.
You have to deal with it.
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In 1960, I'm sure people
regarded the shower scene
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in "Psycho"
as having gone too far.
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Like, "Alfred Hitchcock's
gone too far this time."
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But it's indelible, it's...
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they're indelible images,
and they're, like,
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forever, like, sort of
in your brain and, like,
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people have bad dreams
thinking about those movies.
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John Carpenter, you know,
was greatly influenced
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by "Psycho," even
to the point of casting
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Janet Lee's daughter,
Jamie Lee Curtis,
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in the lead role.
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Ironic that it's
the same genre...
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same family.
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Obviously, it was
the biggest...
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thing in her life,
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as I know that
"Halloween" is mine.
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So when I jokingly say to you,
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""Halloween' Actress Dies"...
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that's what it will say.
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Nothing else.
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Just like my mom.
""Psycho' Actress Dies."
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Because of Hitchcock,
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people will accept cinema
first in a thriller...
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in a way they won't accept it
in a love story,
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in a way they won't accept it
in a period drama,
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in a way they won't accept it
in almost...
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most every other genre,
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because Hitchcock
taught people
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to be thinking of cinema first.
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We're just naturally okay
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with the camera taking off
and doing things.
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I think it's fair to say
that "Psycho"
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was a turning point...
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Certainly in American
filmmaking...
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and in Hollywood filmmaking,
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because there was no one
more establishment
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than Alfred Hitchcock.
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And there was no turning back.
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There was no turning back.
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narrator: "Psycho" influenced
every horror film to come,
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and it paved the way
for a new kind
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of movie monster...
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narrator:
The chainsaw-wielding
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serial killer.
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If you think about
the landmarks
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"Psycho" and "Halloween,"
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clearly the bridge
between the two
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is Tobe Hooper's
"The Texas Chainsaw Massacre."
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Yeah.
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Out of every movie
that we've talked about,
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that's the one
that defined me.
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Like, that's everything
I wanted in a movie
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and everything I ever wanted
to do in movies.
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It was just disgusting
and nasty,
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and that redneck thing...
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- Relentless.
- That movie just changed
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the way I thought about movies.
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- Yeah.
- Instantly.
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We decided to re-watch
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre,"
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like, a month ago.
I watched it eight times.
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"Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
is one of the most
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important movies, to me,
of all horror films.
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You walk into a movie called
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre,"
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and you expect the worst.
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And you get it.
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It was incredibly potent
and visceral...
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There was an imagination...
a dark imagination...
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that had no limits.
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It just starts with that great,
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like, dreadful,
somber narration
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at the beginning of the story.
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So right off the bat,
you're thinking, "Wow,
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is this based on a true story?"
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And then they flash
this date...
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It really feels like
you were dropped
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into, uh, watching something
happen for real.
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This heat is just
driving me crazy,
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I don't know if
I can take much more.
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- Listen, the condition...
- "Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
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was the first one
where I thought
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- they were real people.
- Yeah.
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I never looked
at them as actors.
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You don't see
any on-screen violence.
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- It's all implied.
- The hook... puts her
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- hanging on the meat hook.
- When he picks her up,
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and he's holding her
over the hook...
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And you came out
of that movie
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certain that you remembered,
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"Oh, yeah, remember, you see
the hook go through her."
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But your mind just
put it all together.
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Stop.
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"Texas Chainsaw"
is inspired
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by the Ed Gein story
from, uh, Wisconsin.
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female reporter:
It was a crime that shocked
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the small town of
Plainfield, Wisconsin.
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Edward Gein,
accused of killing a woman,
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then gutting her body
like a slaughtered deer.
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Tobe told me that he...
when he was a kid,
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they would tell him the story
of this guy, Ed Gein.
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reporter: He would use
those body parts and bones
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to make lamp shades
and other furniture.
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He would also wear
dead female body parts.
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And so they used
to use Ed Gein
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as a cautionary tale.
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"Don't be bad,
or Ed Gein will come for you."
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Someone once said
before Tobe Hooper,
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there had been plenty
of films about psychopaths,
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but when you saw
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre,"
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it was the first time
you saw a film that seemed
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like it had been directed
by a psychopath.
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Tobe, he had
a sweetness to him.
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At the same time, he would
try to rip your head off
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if you... if you even messed
with a frame of his movie.
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If you'll pardon my French,
they didn't give a
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about what people thought
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about the movie
they were making.
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The conditions
of making that movie
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were so primitive.
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I mean, these guys,
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they borrowed 16-millimeter
Aeroflex cameras
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from the University of Texas
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under the hottest,
worst conditions.
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It was like 120 degrees,
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and they were like,
"Let's go out there
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and stir it up."
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It was not a pleasant
experience for anyone,
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and it's reflected in the film.
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I don't think
Tobe Hooper set out
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to make a movie about Vietnam,
but he could not help
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but reflect the rebellion
that was going on.
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male reporter:
Subsequent investigation...
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The times were political,
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and the times were,
you... you know,
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steeped in Vietnam.
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Hit her, Grandpa!
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"The Texas
Chainsaw Massacre"
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is a very American story,
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and... and in some ways, uh,
a capitalistic story.
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The place where they shoot
the cattle in the head
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with that big air gun thing.
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Oh, that... that gun's no good.
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I was in there once
with my uncle...
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What
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
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is really about
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is a family
of dispossessed workers.
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With a sledge.
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See, that was better.
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They died better that way.
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Because of automation
and loss of jobs,
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they no longer have
the means, you know,
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to earn th... a living
for themselves.
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With the new
way, people put out of jobs.
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The oppressed working class
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turn the tools
of their trade
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back upon
their former employers...
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the chainsaw,
the hammer, and so on...
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but it's also tied in
with psychic repression,
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because, like, people love
the meat on their plate
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but don't want to think
about how it gets made.
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And by substituting
the teenagers for the cattle
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and the former
dispossessed workers
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enacting revenge against them,
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it's a kind of un-repression
both of meat itself
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and of working-class labor.
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And Tobe called that movie
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"a $60,000 flare"
he shot up from Austin.
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And I mean, it's in
the Museum of Modern Art now.
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It's a classic,
but it's unmatched after that.
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I mean, that ratchets up horror
to a whole other level.
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narrator: "Texas Chainsaw,"
"Halloween," and "Psycho"
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opened the gates
for a new kind of horror.
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But the slasher film
as we know it was truly born
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with the most successful
horror franchise
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of all time...
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"Friday the 13th."
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narrator: When you think
of "Friday the 13th,"
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you think of dead teenagers...
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narrator: And the unstoppable
Jason Voorhees.
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Growing up when I did,
we all watched
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"Friday the 13th"...
one, two, three, four,
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five, six, seven.
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Eight was horrible.
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But in terms
of character names...
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Jason Voorhees.
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It... it was just evil.
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I believe
that I have murdered
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more people on film
than any actor in history.
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I played Jason in four
of the "Friday the 13th" films.
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There's a lot more to playing
a character like Jason
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than throwing the mask on
and, you know,
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walking around threateningly,
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because two of the major tools
an actor uses
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are their facial expressions
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and their voice.
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So now, you take away
both of those
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by making him silent
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and putting a mask on him.
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00:21:34,503 --> 00:21:37,088
So I always was conscious
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of Jason never looking awkward
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or off-balance or weak.
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00:21:42,219 --> 00:21:44,554
I would never look down
to see where I was walking,
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because I thought
it weakened the character.
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My favorite Jason kill...
which was my favorite
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all-time kill for a long time...
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was the sleeping bag
from "Part VII."
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00:22:03,490 --> 00:22:05,617
I put my heart and soul
into that character
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and loved playing it.
446
00:22:07,869 --> 00:22:10,622
Name the killer
in "Friday the 13th."
447
00:22:10,664 --> 00:22:13,208
Jason! Jason! Jason!
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00:22:13,250 --> 00:22:16,378
I'm sorry.
That's the wrong answer.
449
00:22:18,296 --> 00:22:20,966
narrator: Jason is synonymous
with "Friday the 13th,"
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but he's barely seen
in the original film.
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The rest of the formula,
though, was in place.
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"Friday the 13th"
is a story
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about a group
of camp counselors
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who've come up
to set up a camp...
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Well, come on.
Let's go.
456
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I thought we had two weeks.
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And have been
sort of targeted
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by a mysterious killer.
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No...
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No...
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One or two or three
of them get picked off,
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and you say, "Oh, my goodness,
anybody could go at any time."
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Something's wrong with Ned.
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That was, I think,
part of the... the secret
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to the suspense
that we were able to create.
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00:23:05,218 --> 00:23:07,554
It must be my imagination.
467
00:23:16,271 --> 00:23:19,274
We needed somebody that knew
a lot more than we did
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00:23:19,316 --> 00:23:20,984
about how to pull off
a special effect.
469
00:23:21,026 --> 00:23:22,611
You wanna stab
somebody with a knife.
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00:23:22,652 --> 00:23:24,154
How do you do it?
You can't just get
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a rubber knife and...
and start...
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00:23:26,281 --> 00:23:27,741
You know, going at people.
473
00:23:27,782 --> 00:23:28,992
And we were fortunate enough
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to run into a guy
named Tom Savini,
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00:23:30,869 --> 00:23:33,872
and he just couldn't wait
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00:23:33,914 --> 00:23:36,708
to get involved,
and he had such wonderful,
477
00:23:36,750 --> 00:23:38,668
positive energy.
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00:23:40,754 --> 00:23:44,549
Kevin Bacon was, uh, sitting
upright underneath the bed.
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His... only his head
came through the bed.
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00:23:50,055 --> 00:23:52,098
So I'm actually pushing
the arrow through
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the fake chest and neck,
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00:23:54,434 --> 00:23:57,729
and my assistant, uh,
was pumping the blood.
483
00:23:57,771 --> 00:24:00,732
Now, while he was pumping
the blood, the tubing came off
484
00:24:00,774 --> 00:24:02,817
the blood pump,
and during the take,
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00:24:02,859 --> 00:24:04,986
he grabbed it
and blew through it,
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00:24:05,028 --> 00:24:07,614
which caused the nice gurgling
of the blood.
487
00:24:10,992 --> 00:24:13,119
So it was a happy accident
that made the effect,
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00:24:13,161 --> 00:24:14,913
you know, a I... so much better.
489
00:24:14,955 --> 00:24:17,707
What makes
"Friday the 13th" a classic
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is the reveal of Mrs. Voorhees.
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Steve!
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00:24:22,170 --> 00:24:24,214
Oh, Steve!
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00:24:27,258 --> 00:24:29,219
Who are you?
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Well, I... I'm Mrs. Voorhees,
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00:24:31,096 --> 00:24:33,014
an old friend of the Christys'.
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00:24:33,056 --> 00:24:35,684
Everyone's trying
to survive, uh,
497
00:24:35,725 --> 00:24:37,477
as they're being knocked off
one by one
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00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:39,580
by a killer that they
don't know, and then you reveal
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00:24:39,604 --> 00:24:41,606
it's the mother
of this drowned boy.
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00:24:41,648 --> 00:24:44,442
You see,
Jason was my son.
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00:24:44,484 --> 00:24:49,447
A mother was driven mad
by her child drowning
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00:24:49,489 --> 00:24:52,075
and seeing the world ignore it
and go by
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00:24:52,117 --> 00:24:53,660
and think that they
can just restart
504
00:24:53,702 --> 00:24:55,203
and go on with their lives.
505
00:24:55,245 --> 00:24:57,330
The manifestation
of grief is actually
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00:24:57,372 --> 00:25:00,333
very poetic and relatable.
507
00:25:02,669 --> 00:25:05,213
We started to hear
some of the score
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00:25:05,255 --> 00:25:07,841
that Harry was writing for
the first "Friday the 13th,"
509
00:25:07,882 --> 00:25:10,468
and this... this...
510
00:25:10,510 --> 00:25:12,345
Kept coming up.
511
00:25:16,141 --> 00:25:20,478
You remember a scene
at the very end, uh...
512
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,899
where Mrs. Voorhees... uh,
Betsy Palmer, rest her soul.
513
00:25:24,941 --> 00:25:28,028
Dear Betsy.
We hear, uh, her son go...
514
00:25:28,069 --> 00:25:29,946
"Kill her, Mommy.
515
00:25:29,988 --> 00:25:31,364
Kill her."
516
00:25:31,406 --> 00:25:33,783
And that's what
kicked it off for me.
517
00:25:33,825 --> 00:25:37,454
I went, "She hears
voices in her head."
518
00:25:37,495 --> 00:25:39,539
I went up to
a microphone and went,
519
00:25:39,581 --> 00:25:41,166
"K... ma..."
520
00:25:41,207 --> 00:25:42,834
And then it came out...
521
00:25:42,876 --> 00:25:44,669
Kih... mah...
522
00:25:44,711 --> 00:25:47,589
And it literally became
the signature
523
00:25:47,630 --> 00:25:50,467
of that series,
the sound that...
524
00:25:50,508 --> 00:25:52,260
what they call
"the Jason sound."
525
00:25:52,302 --> 00:25:55,346
Look what you did to him!
526
00:26:03,563 --> 00:26:05,523
I remember thinking
the movie was over.
527
00:26:05,565 --> 00:26:07,233
You remember,
she was on the lake.
528
00:26:07,275 --> 00:26:08,836
And I thought the m...
I legitimately was like,
529
00:26:08,860 --> 00:26:10,278
"Aw, the movie's over.
530
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,572
She's at the boat."
531
00:26:17,368 --> 00:26:20,330
He jumped out that water.
I lost it.
532
00:26:20,371 --> 00:26:22,415
I don't even know
how I fell for that.
533
00:26:22,457 --> 00:26:24,000
To this day...
534
00:26:24,042 --> 00:26:26,461
was the loudest
I ever screamed in my life.
535
00:26:26,503 --> 00:26:29,047
The boy, Jason.
536
00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:31,925
Jason?
537
00:26:31,966 --> 00:26:33,093
Nobody knew that was
538
00:26:33,134 --> 00:26:35,095
going to become a franchise,
539
00:26:35,136 --> 00:26:37,555
but it was certainly easy
to replicate.
540
00:26:42,936 --> 00:26:46,356
The... my biggest regret is
putting the bag over his head.
541
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,277
So then, doing "Part Ill,"
542
00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:54,739
this guy we had hired
as a... as a 3-D expert
543
00:26:54,781 --> 00:26:56,116
was also a hockey player.
544
00:26:56,157 --> 00:26:57,492
And I was trying
to figure out...
545
00:26:57,534 --> 00:26:58,677
you know, I wasn't gonna
do the bag again.
546
00:26:58,701 --> 00:27:00,078
"What are we gonna do?"
547
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:01,746
And one day,
he walked into my office
548
00:27:01,788 --> 00:27:04,958
with a goalie mask
and said, "How about this?"
549
00:27:08,878 --> 00:27:10,004
It was perfect.
550
00:27:10,046 --> 00:27:11,256
It was, immediately...
551
00:27:11,297 --> 00:27:12,549
that was gonna be great.
552
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,764
I don't understand
how, in the first one,
553
00:27:19,806 --> 00:27:21,975
he's like an 11-year-old
who jumps out of the lake,
554
00:27:22,016 --> 00:27:24,102
and then he's built like a...
555
00:27:24,144 --> 00:27:25,603
a WCW wrestler.
556
00:27:27,188 --> 00:27:29,023
I don't understand
what happened
557
00:27:29,065 --> 00:27:30,567
where he suddenly got
all jacked.
558
00:27:33,611 --> 00:27:34,946
You know,
after the first movies
559
00:27:34,988 --> 00:27:36,573
and the subsequent sequels
became,
560
00:27:36,614 --> 00:27:38,867
"Who are these,
you know, awful kids
561
00:27:38,908 --> 00:27:40,451
"that we sort of hate
and we can't wait
562
00:27:40,493 --> 00:27:41,870
for Jason to take them out?"
563
00:27:50,795 --> 00:27:54,048
I've always thought that
the slasher films of the 1980s
564
00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:55,717
didn't really work
as horror fiction.
565
00:27:55,758 --> 00:27:58,136
But they worked pretty well
as slapstick comedies...
566
00:28:01,764 --> 00:28:03,975
And the reason
for that is, you know,
567
00:28:04,017 --> 00:28:06,311
the characters are never
allowed to be anything
568
00:28:06,352 --> 00:28:08,146
except one-dimensional types.
569
00:28:08,188 --> 00:28:09,856
You've got a gang
of teenagers.
570
00:28:09,898 --> 00:28:11,774
You've got the jock.
You've got the stoner.
571
00:28:11,816 --> 00:28:13,985
You've got the slut.
You've got the virgin.
572
00:28:14,027 --> 00:28:15,445
You never care about them,
573
00:28:15,486 --> 00:28:16,946
you never fall
in love with them,
574
00:28:16,988 --> 00:28:18,740
and so when
the serial killer starts
575
00:28:18,781 --> 00:28:21,868
knocking them off
one by one...
576
00:28:21,910 --> 00:28:25,288
You laugh instead of
recoil in horror,
577
00:28:25,330 --> 00:28:28,249
because he's actually more
of a personality than they are.
578
00:28:31,586 --> 00:28:33,630
With the success
579
00:28:33,671 --> 00:28:35,173
of "Friday the 13th"
and the success
580
00:28:35,215 --> 00:28:37,634
of "Halloween,"
people just were...
581
00:28:37,675 --> 00:28:40,511
producers were ravenous
to find material
582
00:28:40,553 --> 00:28:44,057
and knowing that, "Oh,
well this is the formula."
583
00:28:46,893 --> 00:28:49,020
One of the by-products of...
of the success
584
00:28:49,062 --> 00:28:51,731
of "Friday the 13th"
and a few other movies
585
00:28:51,773 --> 00:28:54,609
was that people on the outside
are looking in, saying,
586
00:28:54,651 --> 00:28:56,611
"Oh, they killed ten people
587
00:28:56,653 --> 00:28:58,029
"and they made
a lot of money.
588
00:28:58,071 --> 00:28:59,906
"We'll kill 20 people,
589
00:28:59,948 --> 00:29:02,992
and we'll make
a lot more than that."
590
00:29:06,579 --> 00:29:08,081
narrator: By the early '80s,
591
00:29:08,122 --> 00:29:09,832
slasher movies
glutted the market.
592
00:29:09,874 --> 00:29:11,501
Audiences loved them,
593
00:29:11,542 --> 00:29:14,003
but they also inspired
outright hatred.
594
00:29:15,922 --> 00:29:17,650
narrator: Where some saw
harmless entertainment,
595
00:29:17,674 --> 00:29:19,425
others saw a threat
to society.
596
00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:26,057
Come on, baby.
597
00:29:26,099 --> 00:29:27,934
Light my fire.
598
00:29:27,976 --> 00:29:29,727
You bet I will.
599
00:29:32,730 --> 00:29:34,565
I gotta tell you something,
600
00:29:34,607 --> 00:29:37,527
the worst horror movie I ever
saw was great, okay?
601
00:29:37,568 --> 00:29:39,296
- Yeah, that's true.
- That's the way that I am,
602
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,989
because I go in there
and I say,
603
00:29:41,030 --> 00:29:42,907
"What am I gonna see?
I don't know."
604
00:29:42,949 --> 00:29:45,576
A movie that's PG-13
605
00:29:45,618 --> 00:29:47,078
that's a horror movie,
606
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,289
it's gotta be scary in some way
607
00:29:49,330 --> 00:29:50,999
that's really artistic.
608
00:29:55,586 --> 00:29:58,298
Once you get to R
and once you get to Unrated,
609
00:29:58,339 --> 00:30:00,341
you're saying, "I don't know
what I'm gonna see."
610
00:30:00,383 --> 00:30:03,261
I got one word for you:
"Maniac."
611
00:30:09,142 --> 00:30:11,227
"Maniac" is one
of my favorite movies,
612
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:12,871
and I had a feeling
you'd like it, which is why...
613
00:30:12,895 --> 00:30:14,123
- "Maniac"... oh, of course.
- As a gift for you,
614
00:30:14,147 --> 00:30:15,541
I brought you
a "Maniaction" figure.
615
00:30:15,565 --> 00:30:16,858
Holy!
616
00:30:16,899 --> 00:30:18,318
We did not
rehearse this, folks.
617
00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:20,194
Look!
618
00:30:20,236 --> 00:30:21,571
A "Maniaction" figure.
619
00:30:21,612 --> 00:30:23,614
I'm so excited,
I almost dropped it!
620
00:30:23,656 --> 00:30:25,908
It's a "Maniac" bloody scalp.
621
00:30:25,950 --> 00:30:28,077
- It's... isn't that sweet?
- Yeah, it really is.
622
00:30:28,119 --> 00:30:29,996
I mean, I don't know
how to thank you for that.
623
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,421
"Maniac" is about a guy
named Frank Zito
624
00:30:38,463 --> 00:30:41,382
who's a very...
ah, oddball character
625
00:30:41,424 --> 00:30:43,968
who stalks young women.
626
00:30:44,010 --> 00:30:46,971
And he scalps them
and he takes their scalps home
627
00:30:47,013 --> 00:30:48,723
and he puts them
on these mannequins.
628
00:30:48,765 --> 00:30:50,433
And it is here
he sort of struggles
629
00:30:50,475 --> 00:30:54,020
with this relationship
he had with his mother.
630
00:30:54,062 --> 00:30:56,773
I will never...
631
00:30:59,150 --> 00:31:02,612
let them take you away from me.
632
00:31:02,653 --> 00:31:05,281
It's a very minimalist look
at what happens
633
00:31:05,323 --> 00:31:06,592
inside the mind
of a serial killer.
634
00:31:06,616 --> 00:31:09,160
- You bitch!
- What...
635
00:31:11,162 --> 00:31:13,498
What're you... doing...
636
00:31:14,957 --> 00:31:16,250
Stop it!
637
00:31:16,292 --> 00:31:18,503
What are you doing?
638
00:31:18,544 --> 00:31:21,464
I mean, the original
"Maniac" is mean,
639
00:31:21,506 --> 00:31:25,676
but it's actually
really powerful and,
640
00:31:25,718 --> 00:31:27,762
thanks to Joe Spinell's
performance,
641
00:31:27,804 --> 00:31:29,889
kind of emotional.
642
00:31:29,931 --> 00:31:34,560
Why'd you make me do that?
643
00:31:34,602 --> 00:31:38,106
I didn't wanna do it.
644
00:31:38,147 --> 00:31:41,234
It really, like,
went too far.
645
00:31:41,275 --> 00:31:43,277
You know, watching that movie,
you really felt like
646
00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:45,863
the killing scenes
were really protracted
647
00:31:45,905 --> 00:31:47,865
and really brutal
and really grim.
648
00:31:49,742 --> 00:31:51,911
When that movie came out,
it was so controversial
649
00:31:51,953 --> 00:31:53,871
You know, a lot of women
were protesting it
650
00:31:53,913 --> 00:31:56,016
because this idea that it
was misogynistic, of course.
651
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,043
You know, it's like
all these movies get this label
652
00:31:59,085 --> 00:32:01,629
of being misogynistic
because the victims
653
00:32:01,671 --> 00:32:02,755
are primarily women.
654
00:32:02,797 --> 00:32:04,882
...again.
655
00:32:04,924 --> 00:32:07,009
I don't feel like the film's
misogynistic at all.
656
00:32:07,051 --> 00:32:09,178
As a matter of fact,
I feel, as a woman,
657
00:32:09,220 --> 00:32:12,181
it really represents
a realism to me.
658
00:32:12,223 --> 00:32:13,349
It's... it's... it's like
659
00:32:13,391 --> 00:32:14,934
a cathartic experience
in a way,
660
00:32:14,976 --> 00:32:18,062
because women live in
that sort of world every day,
661
00:32:18,104 --> 00:32:19,564
where we have to be hyperaware
662
00:32:19,605 --> 00:32:21,524
of who's around us
and what could happen.
663
00:32:23,276 --> 00:32:25,069
narrator: "Maniac" ends
with a group of women
664
00:32:25,111 --> 00:32:27,113
taking brutal revenge
on the killer.
665
00:32:27,155 --> 00:32:29,323
And this...
666
00:32:29,365 --> 00:32:32,118
narrator: Today, many horror
fans and film scholars
667
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,412
consider it a classic,
but in the '80s,
668
00:32:34,454 --> 00:32:37,415
"Maniac" helped set off
a moral panic.
669
00:32:39,292 --> 00:32:41,669
Horror became a...
a dirty word, I think,
670
00:32:41,711 --> 00:32:43,421
in the late '70s, early '80s,
671
00:32:43,463 --> 00:32:45,631
and I think that the reason
for that was the...
672
00:32:45,673 --> 00:32:47,592
the explosion
of slasher movies.
673
00:33:00,354 --> 00:33:02,148
A new breed
of "shriek merchants"
674
00:33:02,190 --> 00:33:04,484
has exploited
the once honorable genre
675
00:33:04,525 --> 00:33:06,152
of the terror film.
676
00:33:06,194 --> 00:33:09,363
It was a very cheap form
of horror entertainment,
677
00:33:09,405 --> 00:33:11,949
and those slasher films
got a lot of bad press
678
00:33:11,991 --> 00:33:13,284
for brutalizing women,
679
00:33:13,326 --> 00:33:15,495
for violence, for the gore,
680
00:33:15,536 --> 00:33:17,830
and... and the people making
legitimate horror films
681
00:33:17,872 --> 00:33:20,416
were afraid that they were
gonna be tainted, uh,
682
00:33:20,458 --> 00:33:23,503
by the legacy of a lot
of these slasher knock-offs.
683
00:33:23,544 --> 00:33:25,105
I think a lot of people
have the wrong idea.
684
00:33:25,129 --> 00:33:27,131
They identify these films
with earlier thrillers
685
00:33:27,173 --> 00:33:28,925
like "Psycho,"
or even a more recent film
686
00:33:28,966 --> 00:33:30,676
like "Halloween,"
which we both like.
687
00:33:30,718 --> 00:33:32,278
These films aren't
in the same category.
688
00:33:32,303 --> 00:33:34,347
These films hate women.
689
00:33:37,058 --> 00:33:38,643
But don't you find that
690
00:33:38,684 --> 00:33:41,229
in a really effective
horror movie,
691
00:33:41,270 --> 00:33:43,064
blood stains the critics' eyes?
692
00:33:43,105 --> 00:33:44,857
Like, once you get
blood in your eyes...
693
00:33:44,899 --> 00:33:46,692
- Yes, yes.
- You can't wash it out.
694
00:33:46,734 --> 00:33:48,670
- They can't see anything else...
- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
695
00:33:48,694 --> 00:33:50,571
Other than the kill,
and they also feel like
696
00:33:50,613 --> 00:33:52,031
if they like the movie,
697
00:33:52,073 --> 00:33:53,866
that they're endorsing
that for real...
698
00:33:53,908 --> 00:33:55,409
- or that kind of violence.
- Yeah.
699
00:33:55,451 --> 00:33:57,095
So... so most often,
those reviews just become
700
00:33:57,119 --> 00:33:58,847
a soapbox to be like,
"Look, I'm a good person.
701
00:33:58,871 --> 00:34:00,540
"I'm a good person.
I don't like
702
00:34:00,581 --> 00:34:02,226
this sort of thing,"
but the truth is, we love it.
703
00:34:02,250 --> 00:34:04,710
It's like it's...
it's the enjoying fantasy,
704
00:34:04,752 --> 00:34:06,504
enjoying a scary story.
It's like, it's...
705
00:34:06,546 --> 00:34:09,298
it's no different
from "Grimms' Fairy Tales."
706
00:34:11,926 --> 00:34:14,762
The slasher films celebrate
the female character
707
00:34:14,804 --> 00:34:16,556
because they're
the final girls.
708
00:34:16,597 --> 00:34:19,141
The people who... who survive
the slasher movies
709
00:34:19,183 --> 00:34:21,269
are the final girls,
710
00:34:21,310 --> 00:34:23,271
and that's who
you identify with,
711
00:34:23,312 --> 00:34:24,689
and that's the smart one.
712
00:34:24,730 --> 00:34:26,315
The women are the ones
who are smart.
713
00:34:26,357 --> 00:34:28,293
It's the sex-crazed guys
bringing their girlfriends
714
00:34:28,317 --> 00:34:30,236
to have sex that,
you know, get slaughtered.
715
00:34:32,238 --> 00:34:34,323
Most of the feminists
who were against horror
716
00:34:34,365 --> 00:34:36,826
were not really
watching these films
717
00:34:36,867 --> 00:34:38,536
or analyzing them, you know?
718
00:34:38,578 --> 00:34:40,538
They were just sort of, like,
"Pornography is bad.
719
00:34:40,580 --> 00:34:42,039
Horror films are bad."
You know?
720
00:34:42,081 --> 00:34:43,934
So they weren't actually
engaging with the genre.
721
00:34:43,958 --> 00:34:46,377
These women in danger films
all really boil down
722
00:34:46,419 --> 00:34:48,296
to just one same image,
723
00:34:48,337 --> 00:34:49,880
one disturbing image:
724
00:34:49,922 --> 00:34:52,592
a woman screaming
in abject terror.
725
00:34:52,633 --> 00:34:54,194
Usually it's the people
who don't actually
726
00:34:54,218 --> 00:34:55,720
know anything about the topic
727
00:34:55,761 --> 00:34:57,430
that are the loudest
complainers about it.
728
00:34:57,471 --> 00:34:59,557
And unfortunately,
the audiences that go to them
729
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:01,267
don't seem to like women
too much, either.
730
00:35:01,309 --> 00:35:03,227
In the '80s,
"The New York Times" conducted,
731
00:35:03,269 --> 00:35:05,730
um, a poll with theatergoers
732
00:35:05,771 --> 00:35:07,982
to find out who was seeing
these slasher films,
733
00:35:08,024 --> 00:35:10,359
and they found out
that 45% of the audience
734
00:35:10,401 --> 00:35:12,320
was made up of adolescents.
735
00:35:12,361 --> 00:35:15,113
55% of that audience was women.
736
00:35:17,116 --> 00:35:19,201
narrator: "Maniac,"
its slasher cousins,
737
00:35:19,243 --> 00:35:20,786
and the Reagan
assassination attempt...
738
00:35:22,663 --> 00:35:24,123
Triggered a crackdown
739
00:35:24,165 --> 00:35:25,499
on realistic violence
and gore.
740
00:35:25,541 --> 00:35:27,418
By 1984,
741
00:35:27,460 --> 00:35:30,338
the golden age
of slasher films was over,
742
00:35:30,379 --> 00:35:32,715
but audiences
still wanted their scares.
743
00:35:32,757 --> 00:35:34,842
So film makers created
744
00:35:34,884 --> 00:35:36,594
a new kind of monster.
745
00:35:41,098 --> 00:35:43,517
Okay, show her.
746
00:35:45,394 --> 00:35:48,105
Well, is it a Good Guy or not?
747
00:35:48,147 --> 00:35:50,066
It is.
It is!
748
00:35:50,107 --> 00:35:51,734
- Wow.
- A Good Guy!
749
00:35:51,776 --> 00:35:53,527
One of the first
experiences of horror
750
00:35:53,569 --> 00:35:56,656
was, uh, "Child's Play."
751
00:35:56,697 --> 00:35:58,699
Hi, I'm Chucky,
752
00:35:58,741 --> 00:36:00,284
and I'm your friend
to the end.
753
00:36:00,326 --> 00:36:02,286
Hi-de-ho!
754
00:36:02,328 --> 00:36:03,639
When I first saw that,
755
00:36:03,663 --> 00:36:05,039
I was about four...
756
00:36:05,081 --> 00:36:06,499
four or five.
757
00:36:06,540 --> 00:36:08,417
So it was just this little
doll and it was cute
758
00:36:08,459 --> 00:36:11,170
and then all of the sudden,
it just came alive.
759
00:36:11,212 --> 00:36:12,672
And it's... it's always
those moments
760
00:36:12,713 --> 00:36:14,548
where the camera is moving...
761
00:36:17,885 --> 00:36:20,596
But you don't... it's kind of
the POV of the doll
762
00:36:20,638 --> 00:36:23,683
that just, like...
it... it just drove me crazy.
763
00:36:29,939 --> 00:36:31,249
And I can be honest.
To this day,
764
00:36:31,273 --> 00:36:32,983
I'm still affected by that.
765
00:36:33,025 --> 00:36:35,903
Nobody believes you
about Chucky.
766
00:36:35,945 --> 00:36:38,989
Unless you
start telling the truth...
767
00:36:39,031 --> 00:36:40,950
right now...
768
00:36:40,991 --> 00:36:43,035
they're going to
take you away from me.
769
00:36:43,077 --> 00:36:44,412
It's about a mother trying
770
00:36:44,453 --> 00:36:46,580
to hold her family together,
771
00:36:46,622 --> 00:36:49,041
defend her... her son
against this, you know...
772
00:36:49,083 --> 00:36:51,669
against the charges
of being a... a murderer.
773
00:36:51,711 --> 00:36:53,754
I mean, a seven-year-old boy?
Horrible.
774
00:36:53,796 --> 00:36:55,297
And the boy may be mad.
775
00:36:55,339 --> 00:36:57,091
He keeps insisting
that his little...
776
00:36:57,133 --> 00:36:58,968
that his doll
is talking to him.
777
00:36:59,009 --> 00:37:00,636
Come on, Chucky,
778
00:37:00,678 --> 00:37:02,596
say something!
779
00:37:02,638 --> 00:37:04,265
Tell me!
780
00:37:04,306 --> 00:37:06,267
Hi, I'm Chucky,
781
00:37:06,308 --> 00:37:08,269
and I'm your friend to the end.
782
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:09,979
Hi-dee-ho!
783
00:37:13,274 --> 00:37:15,568
To me,
horror is always about
784
00:37:15,609 --> 00:37:17,153
violating the sacred.
785
00:37:17,194 --> 00:37:19,864
Take a child...
something that we all look at
786
00:37:19,905 --> 00:37:23,033
and coo over and look after
and dote on...
787
00:37:23,075 --> 00:37:24,452
and make them...
788
00:37:24,493 --> 00:37:27,246
the most evil
out there.
789
00:37:27,288 --> 00:37:30,791
And a child's toy
is sacred too.
790
00:37:30,833 --> 00:37:33,586
These are things
we grow up with, and you...
791
00:37:33,627 --> 00:37:36,881
you... you basically cast
horror's black shadow, uh,
792
00:37:36,922 --> 00:37:41,218
over all this sacred,
righteous stuff.
793
00:37:41,260 --> 00:37:42,762
You stupid bitch!
794
00:37:42,803 --> 00:37:44,263
You filthy slut!
795
00:37:44,305 --> 00:37:46,140
I'll teach you
to with me!
796
00:37:46,182 --> 00:37:48,017
- No! No!
- In the 1980s,
797
00:37:48,058 --> 00:37:50,269
advertisers had started
798
00:37:50,311 --> 00:37:53,731
to target children directly.
799
00:37:53,773 --> 00:37:56,108
Brought to you exclusively
by Play Pals,
800
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:58,068
makers of Good Guys
and other fine toys.
801
00:37:58,110 --> 00:37:59,862
It's like children
had become
802
00:37:59,904 --> 00:38:02,031
these little
consumerist monsters
803
00:38:02,072 --> 00:38:04,450
who could, you know,
coerce their parents
804
00:38:04,492 --> 00:38:06,494
into getting them more
and more stuff
805
00:38:06,535 --> 00:38:08,370
that they didn't need.
806
00:38:08,412 --> 00:38:10,664
- Well, what do you think?
- I want a Good Guy
807
00:38:10,706 --> 00:38:12,333
to go with it.
808
00:38:12,374 --> 00:38:14,710
I know you do, Andy,
but I didn't know about it
809
00:38:14,752 --> 00:38:16,712
in time this month
to save up for it.
810
00:38:16,754 --> 00:38:19,215
I remember
my mother telling me
811
00:38:19,256 --> 00:38:21,634
a crazy story
about fighting someone
812
00:38:21,675 --> 00:38:25,012
in a dark alley
for a Cabbage Patch Kid.
813
00:38:25,054 --> 00:38:27,932
♪ I got my doll,
I got my doll! ♪
814
00:38:27,973 --> 00:38:30,142
We can see this line between
815
00:38:30,184 --> 00:38:32,895
the "direct to children
as consumers" advertising
816
00:38:32,937 --> 00:38:35,523
on the one hand
and the potential consequences
817
00:38:35,564 --> 00:38:39,735
of what that brings
into the home on the other.
818
00:38:44,740 --> 00:38:48,077
I was asking for...
for them to create a doll
819
00:38:48,118 --> 00:38:49,912
that had never been
created before
820
00:38:49,954 --> 00:38:51,455
to do things on film
that had never
821
00:38:51,497 --> 00:38:53,332
been done before.
822
00:38:53,374 --> 00:38:56,084
This is a breath before CGI.
There was no way out.
823
00:38:56,085 --> 00:38:58,255
It was all on camera,
live or die.
824
00:39:00,089 --> 00:39:02,883
And we built the apartment
up... the apartment set...
825
00:39:02,925 --> 00:39:06,512
four feet off the ground.
826
00:39:06,554 --> 00:39:08,222
We punched holes
through the set
827
00:39:08,264 --> 00:39:10,182
behind the doll
so you couldn't see the wires
828
00:39:10,224 --> 00:39:12,309
directly behind it.
829
00:39:17,940 --> 00:39:20,818
I mean, I used
every trick in the book
830
00:39:20,860 --> 00:39:23,445
to try to maintain...
831
00:39:23,487 --> 00:39:26,782
the illusion that the doll
was alive and moving.
832
00:39:26,824 --> 00:39:29,159
Hi.
833
00:39:29,201 --> 00:39:30,536
It's me, Chucky.
834
00:39:30,578 --> 00:39:33,372
What do you think?
835
00:39:33,414 --> 00:39:36,375
Mommy...
836
00:39:36,417 --> 00:39:37,978
I mean, think about it:
you're being chased
837
00:39:38,002 --> 00:39:40,880
by something this big
with a knife!
838
00:39:40,921 --> 00:39:42,256
You know, I mean...
839
00:39:42,298 --> 00:39:43,841
You know, how do you sell that?
840
00:39:46,635 --> 00:39:49,179
Well... did, didn't we?
841
00:39:49,221 --> 00:39:51,265
Chucky is a piece
of horror history.
842
00:39:51,307 --> 00:39:52,808
Chucky's face sits
843
00:39:52,850 --> 00:39:55,561
on that horror
Hall of Fame board
844
00:39:55,603 --> 00:39:57,938
right next to the guy
in the hockey mask,
845
00:39:57,980 --> 00:40:00,524
right next
to the Michael Myers mask,
846
00:40:00,566 --> 00:40:02,318
Freddy's glove...
847
00:40:02,359 --> 00:40:03,527
he's in there.
848
00:40:06,655 --> 00:40:08,198
narrator: "Child's Play"
was violent,
849
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:09,783
but no one would mistake it
850
00:40:09,825 --> 00:40:12,036
for the grim realism
of "Maniac."
851
00:40:18,751 --> 00:40:21,086
narrator: Chucky was
following a trail blazed
852
00:40:21,128 --> 00:40:22,755
by one of the most
famous characters
853
00:40:22,796 --> 00:40:24,173
in the history of horror...
854
00:40:24,214 --> 00:40:27,259
Freddy Krueger.
855
00:40:27,301 --> 00:40:28,886
You know,
"Nightmare on Elm Street"
856
00:40:28,928 --> 00:40:30,512
came out in 1984,
857
00:40:30,554 --> 00:40:32,264
and I remember
seeing that movie
858
00:40:32,306 --> 00:40:34,099
and I was so excited
about the fact that,
859
00:40:34,141 --> 00:40:36,560
"Ooh, there's a new twist
to this sub-genre,"
860
00:40:36,602 --> 00:40:38,896
that now the rules of...
861
00:40:38,938 --> 00:40:42,358
of any sort of world
don't apply.
862
00:40:42,399 --> 00:40:44,151
narrator: In part two,
we'll see how
863
00:40:44,193 --> 00:40:45,819
"A Nightmare on Elm Street"
864
00:40:45,861 --> 00:40:48,155
brought slashers back
from the grave...
865
00:40:48,197 --> 00:40:50,324
Freddy is in the imagination
866
00:40:50,366 --> 00:40:51,784
of the person he's haunting...
867
00:40:51,825 --> 00:40:53,577
And the imagination
868
00:40:53,619 --> 00:40:55,371
is larger than life.
869
00:40:55,412 --> 00:40:57,247
narrator: Dive into
the psychosexual darkness
870
00:40:57,289 --> 00:40:58,999
of "Candyman"...
871
00:40:59,041 --> 00:41:00,834
You have to be able
to deliver the scares,
872
00:41:00,876 --> 00:41:02,604
and you have to be able
to make people talk about it
873
00:41:02,628 --> 00:41:04,630
long after you've gone.
874
00:41:04,672 --> 00:41:06,775
narrator: Watch as "Scream"
turns the genre inside-out...
875
00:41:06,799 --> 00:41:08,509
I thought I was in
876
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:10,219
a documentary
about a serial killer,
877
00:41:10,260 --> 00:41:14,473
and they're playing this,
you know, for laughs.
878
00:41:14,515 --> 00:41:15,975
narrator: "The Silence of
the Lambs"
879
00:41:16,016 --> 00:41:17,934
makes grisly horror
respectable.
880
00:41:17,935 --> 00:41:19,229
Love your suit.
881
00:41:20,980 --> 00:41:23,065
narrator: And 21st-century
anxiety leads
882
00:41:23,107 --> 00:41:26,902
to the no-holds-barred terror
of "Saw" and "Hostel."
883
00:41:26,944 --> 00:41:28,862
People who don't
884
00:41:28,904 --> 00:41:31,865
see these films take them
way more seriously
885
00:41:31,907 --> 00:41:33,826
than the people who do.
886
00:41:33,867 --> 00:41:35,577
We wanted to make something
887
00:41:35,619 --> 00:41:37,997
that was super scary,
and we'd inadvertently
888
00:41:38,038 --> 00:41:40,958
become known as the kings
of torture porn.
65899
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