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- The zombie is absolutely
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all-American horror metaphor.
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They are the monster
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of the 11st century.
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- Right now it does seem like
we're in the middle
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of a zombie apocalypse.
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- We‘re getting our chance
to exercise
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our most anti-social emotions.
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You know, that--
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that mob impulse that's like.
"Yeah, kill them all
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and let God sort them out."
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- Eventually
they overwhelm you.
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They're not stopping to eat.
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- Well. I mean.
unless they‘re stopping
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to eat one olyou.
- We‘re all gonna die.
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We all are gonna
get cancer one day.
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We‘re all gonna get sick.
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It's almost like
an accelerated version of that.
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- We don't want zombies
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to come and destroy
all oi our friends
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and family and institutions...
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but on some level.
maybe we do.
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Like. on some level
it provides us a chance
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tojust dismantle
everything...
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And possibly start over.
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- What are humans like
when laced with the end
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of humanity?
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What are they like
when they're laced
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with very few choices
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in--in regards
to how to survive?
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That's the horror
of zombie movies.
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- Nol
- It's the wrong impulses
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that come out of people
that are far more terrifying
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than the walking dead.
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J‘J‘
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- I'm Eli Roth.
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- The history of horror
is filled with monsters.
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Nightmare figures that tap
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into our deepest fears.
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J‘J‘
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But our fears.
and our monsters.
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change with the times.
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Right now, it's the time
of the zombie.
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Fast zombies, slow zombies,
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comedy zombies,
teen zombies...
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- Whatever their shape,
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zombies are everywhere.
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How did we get here?
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What set off zombie fever?
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As we'll see,
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zombies have been around
for decades.
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But the debut
of "The Walking Dead"
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in 2010 saw them explode
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into popular culture.
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- To almost everyone's
surprise, a horror series
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became the most popular show
on television.
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- My brother's kids--
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ten years old, five years--
they watch "Walking Dead."
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- Kids eight years old
watch "Walking Dead."
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What is it
about "Walking Dead"
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that zombies have become so,
almost normalized
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that kids love it.
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- They don't take it seriously.
I think it's amazing.
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- Well...
- "Walking Dead" plays
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like a family show.
- It's all about
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the characters.
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You can follow
this group of people
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as they struggle to survive
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week after week
after week after week.
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- You can see them live,
you can see them die,
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you can see everything
thatthey go through
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with the zombie apocalypse
set as the backdrop.
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- Everybody wants to...
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think that they would be able
to survive
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the zombie apocalypse.
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- You figure, "What would I do
to survive?‘I
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Because that is the crux
of the show,
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ordinary people who
all of a sudden
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are thrust into
an extraordinary situation.
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which always give you
some of the best drama.
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-Are you gonna fight
for what you believe in?
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Are you gonna be
the type of person
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that runs away from it?
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You know, there's no status
and--and fame,
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and money, and
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there's none
of that bull.
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- The apocalyptic simulation
is really an interesting
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sociological experiment
about, you know,
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who do people become,
and who would I become,
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and what would be okay
ifthe rules weren't
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the same anymore?
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lwant to be a Michonne...
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But I'm probably more of, um...
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I don't know, a Eugene.
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You got a name, ass?
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- Eugene.
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- They're coming to get you,
Earbara.
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- Stop itl
You're acting like a child.
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- They're coming for you.
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Look, there comes
one of them now.
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- Without George Romero and
"Night of the Living Dead,"
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there would be
no "Walking Dead."
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"Night of the Living Dead"
laid the template
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for every zombie
survival story that followed.
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It's a simple plot--
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six people trapped
in a farmhouse
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but it changed everything.
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- You got to see
the boundary pushed
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going from
the 19505 creatures--
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the man in the rubber suit--
to like, graphic viscera.
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What was it like seeing it
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pushed farther and farther?
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I can remember just
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sort of wandering into
a screening
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of "Night of the Living Dead."
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The whole place was full
of kids--it was like
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a Saturday matinee--
and they're all, you know,
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yelling and grab-assing around
and throwing
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and they just fell
entirely silent.
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And I was scared, too.
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The first time that you see
something like that,
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- George Romero
really creates the rules.
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you turned into one...
-Yeah.
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- Shoot them in the head...
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J‘J‘
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That didn't exist before.
- Those rules
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for the modern-day zombie
were created 50 years ago.
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- By George Romero.
- If I were surrounded
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by six or eight
of these things, would I stand
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If you had a gun,
shoot 'em in the head.
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That's a sure way to kill 'em.
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If you don't, get yourself
a club or a torch.
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Beat 'em or burn ‘em.
They go up pretty easy.
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- It almost feels like
the zombie movie--
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there's like a quantum leap
that happens
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where there are
different phases.
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Like the 1930s and '405,
it was the--
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"l Walked With a Zombie."
It was "White Zombie."
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It was the hypnotist zombie.
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It was a mad scientist
on an island
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that has found a way
to raise the dead
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and enslave them.
- A lot of zombie films
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were about people
who had been just stripped
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of their identity
and were slaves, almost.
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You know, they could be
workers, orthey couldjust
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sort of shamble and look scary,
but they weren‘t attacking
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and biting and killing
like they did
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in "Night of the Living Dead."
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- Baby...
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Mean, there were things
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that were so transgressive
in that movie.
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- The little girl stabs
her mother to death.
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- The little kid
killing her mom, that had--
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no one had ever seen
anything like that.
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- The first time you see it,
you're just horrified.
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You can‘t believe
what you're seeing.
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- "Night of the Living Dead"
was much more
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of a claustrophobic nightmare
kind of experience,
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"Night of the Living Dead"
is also,
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somewhat facetious,
and it's also--
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it has its
sociopolitical allegory.
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- What's important about
"Night of the Living Dead"
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is the fact that the travails
of the people
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locked in that house
are really a microcosm
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of what's going on
in American society
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The tumult of the late 1960s
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is reflected in the fear
and the--the violence
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that--that occur in
and around that house.
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- That movie's revolutionary
in many, many ways
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and had profound impact--
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the fact it had
a black lead--
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- Which George always said
was not deliberate.
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It was that Duane was
the best actor.
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I don't believe him.
lthink it was deliberate.
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- With all of us working,
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we can fix this place up
in no time.
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We have everything we need
up here.
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- We can take all that stuff
downstairs with us.
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Man, you're really crazy,
you know that?
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- Let's say you're a--
a white viewer
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in the late 1960s...
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who has a few prejudices, say,
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and is a little bit worried
that the world is ending
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because of all ofthe,
racial legislation
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of the '60s--
The Voting Rights Act,
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The Civil Rights Act--
and here's this zombie film
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where the dead
are coming back to life
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and a black man is in charge.
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- I don't want anyone's life
on my hands.
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- Is there anything I can do?
- I don't wanna hear any more
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from you, mister.
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It you stay up here,
you take orders from me.
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- I will contend that
that might have been
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as frightening to some viewers
as the child eating her mother
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- What we get is potentially
something hopeful, you know,
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with the African-American
protagonist--
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like maybe some new direction
socially--
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but instead itjust turns
into vigilante justice
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represented by
a white lynch mob.
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You can imagine the--the shock
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that audiences must have felt
to--to be coaxed
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into identifying
with a black man
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only to have him shot
and then pitchforked
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onto a pile of burning bodies
at the end.
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That's a slap.
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That's a direct slap
to any audience,
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right wing or left wing.
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- "The Nig ht
of the Living Dead"
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does not end on any kind
of triumph.
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Your hero is shot by police.
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It's the most upsetting ending
in cinema.
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And then that has continued
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through horror cinema
of actually--
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It doesn't always have
a happy ending.
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J‘J‘
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lthink that's the joy
of horror cinema,
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is that it can, like,
affect you in lots
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of different ways.
- If George Romero
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had only made
"Night of the Living Dead,"
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he would still be a legend...
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- But he didn't stop.
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"Night of the Living Dead"
and its sequels
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changed the course
of film history.
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and inspired the best
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the horror genre has to offer.
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He was such a big influence
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on "Shaun of the Dead."
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We liked this idea
of our film taking place
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within George Romero's
universe.
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"Shaun of the Dead"
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was so well done
that it opened the floodgates
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to, like, everybody to try
and make a zombie movie.
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- Today, zombie movies
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and TV shows are everywhere.
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but not so long ago,
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they had virtually
disappeared.
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Edgar Wright's
"Shaun ofthe Dead"
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helped bring them back
bigger than ever.
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- When we thought up the idea
for "Shaun ofthe Dead,"
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one of the inspirations for it
is because there hadn't been
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a zombie film
for, like, 15 years.
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J‘J‘
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We always had this theory
that, like,
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John Landis' video
for "Thriller"
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sort of killed off zombies
for the second half
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of the '80s and early 'SDs.
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- So I think what happened was,
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all ofa sudden
the zombie genre--
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which traditionally had
probably sort of died out...
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-Yeah.
-A little bit--
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and then all of a sudden
you have all these
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zombie video games
and they're like, ",
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man, people love
shooting zombies."
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- It was around, like,
the late 1990s
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when "Resident Evil" came out--
the game.
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So people started
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to take an interest
in the genre again.
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- Every now and then,
we see a movie
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that is supposedly horror...
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but yet uses
social commentary brilliantly,
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and the best example
is "Shaun of the Dead."
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You want to know
where Britain was
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at that time, you look at
"Shaun of the Dead."
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- In the '905 and the dawn
of the new century,
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we were in a new phase
in Britain...
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and a whole new generation
of Britons were asking:
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"What's next?"
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And they were a little lost.
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Hey, man, listen, um--
top left.
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l was gonna say--
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reload.
- I'm on it.
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-And it was brilliant.
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- What I love about
"Shaun of the Dead"
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is they're not making fun of...
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zombie movies,
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they're making
a funny zombie movie.
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- I'm not gonna say,
"If you love her, let her go,"
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and I'm not gonna bombard you
with cliches.
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But what I will say is this...
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It's not the end of the world.
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-And they play on
all the tropes...
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- Sorry, we're closed.
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- I'd been playing
"Resident Evil 3,"
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like, all night.
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My girlfriend at the time
had gone away...
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-And I promised her
lwouldn't play video games
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all weekend,
and I did exactly that.
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I remember, vividly,
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playing it until
the sun came up.
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- And then walking
across the street
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to the news agent
to get some milk
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to make some tea...
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and I walked across the street,
and it was completely empty
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on a Sunday morning.
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And the shop was
the only thing that was open,
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and in that moment,
I had a thought of thinking,
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"What would it be like if
if zombies were here right now,
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and what would I do?‘I
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Because we don't really
have guns in the UK,
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How would I defend myself?
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- It's just
that little thought
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really sort of started
to inspire the sequence
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where Shaun walks
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to the store and back
hungover.
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- So the zombie apocalypse
has started,
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but he's still unaware of it.
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- But he does this walk--
it's a long,
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steady cam shot--
and he goes into the shop
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and he doesn't notice...
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little things.
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- The bloody handprints
on the wall,
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and he's walking away
from the refrigerator
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and he just slips in blood.
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It's so subtle, but it‘s...
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It's such a great moment
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because you know--
you as the audience
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know what's coming--
his character doesn't
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know it yet, and it's--
he--he's still out of it.
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- Nelson.
- It's such a simple moment
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but it‘s one of my favorite
moments in the movie.
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- It's wonderful,
the way they show
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the collapse of society.
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Zombies become a symbol
of anarchy,
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and the collapse
ofthe system,
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and all that protects us.
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Top leftl
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-Ahl
- Reload.
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- I'm on it.
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- We wanted to stay true
to the spirit
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of "Night of the Living Dead"
and " Dawn of the Dead."
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The film is like a valentine
to George Romero
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because we love those movies.
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We're, like, sharing our deep,
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deep love forthe subject.
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- Right down to its title,
"Shaun of the Dead"
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is a tribute to what
any horror fan will tell you
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is the greatest zombie film
of all time.
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- There's no greater
zombie movie
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than "Dawn of the Dead."
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- I think "Dawn of the Dead"
is a real masterpiece.
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- It's that rare kind
of, like, nightmare world
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which you actually wouldn't--
I mean, maybe this isjust me,
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but you wouldn't mind
being in it.
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- Nol Nol
- George Romero's
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"Night of the Living Dead"
created the modern zombie.
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That was a hard act to follow,
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but the director topped it
with his sequel,
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"Dawn of the Dead."
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"Dawn ofthe Dead"
was a potent mixture
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of horror, satire,
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and outrageous
special effects.
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It's, basically
a continuation of the--
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of "Night of the Living Dead,"
where zombies are
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taking over the world.
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- This was the first depiction
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of a full-scale
zombie apocalypse,
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a nightmare vision
of social collapse
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that became the template
for virtually
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every end-of-the-world story
we see today.
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Once again, Romero used horror
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to comment on American values.
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- He is masterfully executing
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all of those horror elements
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in a way that brings it
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right to a social justice
scenario...
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- Martinezl
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You've been watchingl
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You know we've got
this building surrounded!
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- Particularly that opening
when in the ghettos,
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all of the poor
are keeping their loved ones
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hidden away from the rest
of the world,
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because they know that
they will kill them.
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- People in this project
are your responsibility.
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- In the first 20 minutes,
there's a SWAT team
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raiding a house...
-Yeah.
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-And one
of the police officers
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- Yeah, come on, Martinez.
Show your greasy little
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Puerto Rican ass
so I can blow it right off.
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-And l was like,
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"Why is this guy concerned
with racism?"
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Like, there's zombies
in the building.
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It was unbelievable.
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l was like,
"Aren't there bigger problems?"
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- Let's go. let's go]
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- That blew my mind as a kid
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because I realized
I was watching
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a political story
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about the race
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and class system in America.
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- After showing
society crumbling,
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the film shifts focus
to a small group of survivors
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who take refuge
in a suburban shopping mall.
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- I think the great thing
about zombies
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is they are like
a catch-all metaphor
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of the world‘s ills,
and I think George Romero
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doesn't really get
enough credit as a satirist
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as well as a horror film maker.
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Come onl
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- "Dawn of the Dead"
being the most
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kind of savage statement
aboutthe state of consumerism
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in the late '70s.
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The idea of
the mindless hordes
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flock to the big
fancy shopping mall...
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That was very pointed
and very funny.
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- What are they doing?
Why do they come here?
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- Some kind of instinct.
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Memory ofwhat
they used to do.
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This was an important place
in their lives.
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- You can't watch that movie
and not become aware
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of the fact
thatthis is a story about
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what humans really are:
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grasping, vampiric creatures
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that kind of return endlessly
to their old habits
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because it‘s
what they're taught.
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- I think "Dawn of the Dead"
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should be sold in a box set
with "Easy Rider."
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It should be called
"The Baby Boomers:
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The Beginning and the End.‘I
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Romero has managed
to distill...
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The worst of every generation
into all of his movies.
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You see the baby boomers
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losing their souls.
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- What have we done
to ourselves?
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- Because what Romero did
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was channel his outrage
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at his generation's
ultimate surrender
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of all their ideals
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and he put it in a movie.
- So, I mean,
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if you were gonna go out and do
atalky little, drama
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to try to criticize
the consumer society
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that we have here,
you couldn't make
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$30 million, you know?
- That's for sure.
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- So, terrific.
You get a couple of jabs in
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while you‘re having fun
with the rollercoaster ride
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which really is the surface.
436
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- Romero was a man
with a message,
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but his gleeful embrace
of gore
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made him a horror favorite.
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"Dawn of the Dead,"
I had never seen that level
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of a body count in a movie.
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- You're, like, watching like,
"Who made this?"
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- Yeah.
- Like, a maniac?
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- But normally, one movie,
there'd be one kill
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that was amazing,
and it was like
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every 30 seconds,
each kill was different.
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That helicopter blade...
- Yeah.
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- Pulling it off the head...
- The guy with
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the giantforehead.
- Which--which if you were--
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- Exactly.
- By the way, when you're a kid
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you never see that coming.
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You see he staggers out
and his head...
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- You never put
two and two together.
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Now you look at it and go,
"Of course, he‘s gonna
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get his head cut off.‘I
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- Really accomplished
horror directors knew
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having Tom Savini doing
the make-up special effects
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that it was gonna
elevate that film.
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and give them a wider audience
than they ever anticipated.
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- Well, it was Halloween
every day.
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We did that for three months
in a shopping mall.
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- 80% of the effects in that
were stuff that
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we came up with.
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We'd go to George and say,
"Hey, how about if we drive
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a screwdriver through--
through the zombies, here."
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And he'd go, "Okay."
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So then two hours later
we're making
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retractable screwdrivers
and, you know,
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- But the scene
that makes you like, wonder,
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"Wow...
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can I even handle this?"
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ls when the zombie
in the project--
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when, his wife...
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- He‘s still alive,
comes to her and--
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and embraces him.
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"My baby. my baby."
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And then she--he just bites--
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just a chunk out
of her shoulder.
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Carlito...
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- It just looks real.
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It just--it just--
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you buy it.
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ll humans had
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shark-like mouths,
that's probably the effect
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of what would happen
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if a sharky human bit you.
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- It's just an effect
we had never seen before,
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and it draws a line
in the sand.
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"Am I ready
for the rest of this?"
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- George Romero's vision
was so influential
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that for decades,
most screen zombies
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were slow-moving ghouls.
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But in 2002,
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Danny Boyle's
"26 Days Later"
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gave us a zombie
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for the fast-moving
21st century
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and set off a controversy
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that rages to this day.
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- I'm a slow zombie guy.
- I like fast zombies.
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- I'm a card-carrying
slow zombie fan.
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- Imagine waking up in a world
ravaged by a disease
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that turns ordinary people
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into mindless predators
driven to kill.
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J‘J‘
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This is the premise
of "26 Days Later,"
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director Danny Boyle's
groundbreaking reinvention
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of the zombie film.
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- Fightl Fightl
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- "28 Days Later'I
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is a perfect horror movie
510
00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:42,873
because it's based
on a premise
511
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,911
you can completely believe.
512
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,678
I don't know what it's like
513
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,591
to be bitten by a vampire.
514
00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:51,872
by a werewolf.
515
00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:55,669
- But I can imagine
what it's like...
516
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,757
to have a plague spread
like wildfire
517
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,394
because it‘sjust too close
518
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,874
to the headlines
of today's news.
519
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,398
It could happen.
520
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,552
- "28 Days Later'I came out
521
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,114
a year after um,
and it includes
522
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,151
these really haunting scenes
523
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,395
of a deserted London...
524
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,716
J‘J‘
525
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,911
Missing persons flyers
pasted to bulletin boards
526
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,190
like we saw post 9/11...
527
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,073
It also was able to,
528
00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:33,998
capitalize on a lot of the--
the anxieties
529
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,917
and fears ofthe time.
530
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,396
SARS and anthrax
531
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,750
and Mad Cow's Disease,
bird flues...
532
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,791
Father...
533
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,195
Also, Danny Boyle
534
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,798
was commenting on,
535
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,115
the rage that he saw
in society.
536
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,310
Road rage,
people fighting on line
537
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:54,679
in the supermarkets...
538
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,552
- He envisioned a zombie story
that took advantage
539
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,319
of this psychological virus
540
00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:04,590
that could be unleashed
and have, like,
541
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,756
a zombie effect on people.
542
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,952
- There was one big difference
543
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,309
between George Romero's'
zombies and the infected
544
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:15,555
in "25 Days Later":
545
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,278
these zombies were last.
546
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,630
People talked about sort of
the next quantum leap
547
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,796
in zombie movies...
548
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,673
As "28 Days Later"
'cause it had running zombies.
549
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,472
Even though there were
running infected
550
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,590
in Umberto Lenzi‘s
"Nightmare City" from 1960.
551
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,830
- I'm a slow zombie guy.
552
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,632
Not that I don't like
553
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,671
a good fast zombie movie.
- Somebody!
554
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,517
I loved "28 Days Later.‘I
555
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,039
Yes, I know.
556
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,469
They're not technically dead.
557
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,192
They are rage virus.
558
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,071
I get that.
559
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,309
- lfl can make a criticism
of running zombies, it's this:
560
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:56,998
It's that running zombies
generally--
561
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,678
there's kind of like
a fitness level.
562
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,711
If you look at the zombies
in "26 Days Later,"
563
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,228
they're nearly always, like,
sort of fit.
564
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,113
You know, like they're in
like a sneakers commercial.
565
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,594
When you increase the speed,
the people that lose out
566
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,074
are the old zombies,
and the overweightzombies,
567
00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:16,395
and the little kid zombies,
and I would rather have
568
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,476
a more inclusive range
of zombies.
569
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,792
- Zombies that are slow are
infinitely more terrifying.
570
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,193
It's the difference between
getting shot
571
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,800
and getting cancer.
572
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,912
You get killed by, say,
a fast zombie
573
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,316
in the "World WarZ" movie
or "28 Days Later,"
574
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,957
Happens too fast.
575
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,831
J‘J‘
576
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,677
But the slow zombie...
577
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,950
the zombie that gives you
time to think...
578
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,310
allows you to visualize
your own death...
579
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,311
And that is one
of the darker elements
580
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:55,316
of the human mind.
581
00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:56,873
Fast or slow...
582
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,751
- Zombies are usually created
583
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,712
by accidental radiation leaks
of rogue viruses.
584
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,671
- But there is another kind
of zombie:
585
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,188
The deliberately
reanimated corpse,
586
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,912
like Frankenstein's monster.
587
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,030
-Alivel
- Created by Mary Shelley
588
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,038
in 1818,
Frankenstein's monster
589
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,833
is the most famous member
ofthe walking dead.
590
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,552
- Frankenstein's monster
591
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,591
is a zombie for sure.
592
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,278
In the novel, he's just a--
593
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,915
a zombie that can talk
way too much.
594
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,632
-As a kid,
I really felt connected
595
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,238
to Frankenstein's monster,
not so much
596
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,599
to Frankenstein himself.
597
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,351
ofthose
original horror classics.
598
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,470
Those characters
are sort of stand-ins
599
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,159
for people that are
on the fringe of society
600
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,872
or castaways--cast outs.
601
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,396
- Boris Karloff's
Frankenstein
602
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,237
is still
the definitive version
603
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,793
of this monster.
604
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,512
Its direct descendant
605
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,313
is ”H.P. Lovecraft's
Re-Animator."
606
00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:56,237
With "Re-Animator,"
607
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,192
director Stuart Gordon
reimagined the zombie film
608
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,959
as a wildly transgressive
horror comedy.
609
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,989
I remember I went to a--
like a--a bunch of kids
610
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,031
were hanging out at a house
like have--having a party
611
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,752
and they watched
”Breakfast Club,"
612
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,439
and l was never--l had never
been so bored in a movie.
613
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,596
I wasjust, like, waiting
for something to happen.
614
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,232
- Somebody gets the hot potato.
- Something.
615
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,799
And I was like, "I have
a much better movie."
616
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,068
And I put on "Re-Animator..."
617
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:20,394
-And the whole party
cleared out.
618
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:27,315
- Well, the film
is about medical students
619
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:29,351
who find a way to bring
the dead back to life.
620
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,197
Particularly,
there's this one genius,
621
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,391
Herbert West--
he‘s developed a serum which,
622
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,557
when it's injected
into a dead body, revives it.
623
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:43,113
- But the dead
are never very grateful.
624
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,716
- What was great about
Stuart Gordon's take on it--
625
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,671
he put a really interesting
sense of humor
626
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,199
in the whole thing.
627
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,110
'Cause you can look
628
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,752
at "Re-Animator" as a comedy.
- You'll never get credit
629
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,199
for my discovery.
630
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:00,679
Who's going to believe
a talking head?
631
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,438
Get a job in a sideshow.
632
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,596
- "Re-Animator"
was like nothing
633
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,473
I had seen before--
like nothing anyone
634
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,990
had seen before--
and the audacity of it
635
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,076
is what makes it
so powerful.
636
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:19,237
J‘J‘
637
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,918
- Boy, that's a sick picture.
638
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,996
Really transgressive.
639
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,793
Got a lot of crawling hands
and heads rolling around
640
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,752
like bowling balls.
641
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,791
- You should not be
censoring yourself.
642
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:33,789
You know, they'll be doing
everything they can
643
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:34,955
to censor you.
644
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,592
You should not give them
an inch.
645
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,271
- "Re-Animator's" fun.
I don't know what it's about,
646
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,992
like, that--| don't know
that it's about
647
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,349
any big ideas whatsoever,
648
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,436
except that it would be fun
to keep heads alive
649
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,948
in a basket.
- It's about conquering death.
650
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,270
That's really what it's about.
651
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,154
My father passed away
652
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,395
when lwas 14 years old,
653
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,750
and lthink that
thatwas the hook for me.
654
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,472
People always say,
"If you could
655
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,795
bring anybody back's life,
who would it be?"
656
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,513
In my case, it's a--
it's a no-brainer:
657
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,068
It would be my father.
658
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,990
- When you look at
most horror movies, I think,
659
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,508
they're about
an impossible dream.
660
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,915
- In 1985, "Re-Animator"
661
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,349
and Dan O'Bannon‘s
"Return of the Living Dead"
662
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,039
explored the comic frontiers
of the zombie genre.
663
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,991
- Brainsl
664
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,713
- That same year,
the king ofthe zombies--
665
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,230
George Romero--was crafting
a much darkerfilm,
666
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,316
what he hoped would be
the zombie film
667
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,557
to end all zombie films:
"Day of the Dead."
668
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,591
- "Day of the Dead"
was intended
669
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,598
to be George Romero's
$10 million opus.
670
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:51,675
- No...
- George Romero's
671
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,358
first two zombie films
672
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,833
invented a new kind
of monster...
673
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,552
And a new metaphor
674
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:57,669
for life in America.
675
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,280
- One, two, three, go.
676
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,117
- By 1985, he was making
677
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,754
what he hoped would be
his ultimate statement,
678
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,916
a zombie film that combined
679
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,996
incredibly realistic
special effects
680
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,268
with a powerful message.
681
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,840
- The message
of the Reagan era was...
682
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,156
no more war on povefly.
no more war on crime,
683
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,431
no more war
on racial segregation.
684
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,754
Screw it.
685
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,393
We've lost.
There's more of them
686
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,192
than there are of us,
so you need to retreat
687
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,550
into your protective enclaves
and husband your resources.
688
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,272
And that‘s exactly
what our characters do.
689
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,995
- You must listen!
- Listen to this.
690
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,796
- In "Day of the Dead,” we see
the military rule,
691
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,070
and that's even scarier.
- I'm running
692
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,230
this monkey farm now,
Frankenstein,
693
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,748
and I want to know
what the
694
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,109
you're doing with my time!
695
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,037
-A bunch of people
who are trying to do good
696
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,638
and find a cure
are being ruled
697
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,911
by this military presence
that is very aggressive
698
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,236
and will do anything it takes
to preserve itself,
699
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,998
so that's terrifying as well.
700
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,272
- The zombies are
in some ways, you know--
701
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,356
the ones who are being
experimented upon--
702
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,914
kind of more sympathetic
than many of the humans.
703
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,589
- Rhodesl
704
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,393
- In "Dawn ofthe Dead,"
we're losing.
705
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,158
In "Day of the Dead,"
we've lost.
706
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,953
- Most good directors
that really have a grasp
707
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,672
on the medium
can do horror.
708
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,790
It's not as delicate as humor.
709
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,193
- It's not as delicate.
710
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,355
There are some tricks
of the trade
711
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,077
- Like his otherzombie films,
712
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,998
"Day of the Dead" was shot
in Romero's hometown
713
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,270
of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
714
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,595
far outside
of the Hollywood system.
715
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,108
- But that's what made...
716
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,196
George Romero...
717
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:52,912
such a terrific filmmaker,
718
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,316
was that he was a legit,
regional filmmaker,
719
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,954
and what made it special
720
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,560
was the slightly
homemade quality
721
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,318
to the movies.
722
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,432
- Everywhere that he would go
in Pittsburgh,
723
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,311
you knew somebody
that was a zombie.
724
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,271
You knew somebody
that was involved
725
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,038
with George Romero's movies,
726
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,798
and that's howl got
into the business.
727
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,354
Because when "Day of the Dead"
came along,
728
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,789
I had befriended George
729
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,751
because of some mutual
family friends, and he's like,
730
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,119
"Hey, I'm doing a sequel
to 'Dawn of the Dead.‘
731
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,798
Do you want a job?"
I'm like...
732
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,515
- And this is where
George Romero
733
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,393
and Tom Savini--
arguably their creative peaks
734
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,432
at the same time,
working together.
735
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,471
- Special effects artists
like Rick Baker
736
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,233
and Tom Savini were heralded
737
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,475
as, like, kings and icons
of the horror film
738
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:45,953
because they were creating
special effects
739
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,513
that were out of this world.
740
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,835
Like something
we'd never seen before.
741
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,235
- Vietnam was a lesson
in anatomy for me.
742
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,191
lwas a combat photographer.
743
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,878
I saw horrible stuff.
744
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,558
In fact, I'm the only
make-up artist, I think,
745
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,750
that has seen the real stuff.
746
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,438
In a movie,
747
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,631
when someone dies
they close their mouth
748
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,079
and they wanna look pretty
for the camera...
749
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,676
And thatjust takes me
right out of it,
750
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,790
because that actor doesn't
know how to portray death,
751
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,354
or the director doesn't know
to tell them...
752
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,709
the mouth always goes slack.
753
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,990
My masterpiece
is "Day ofthe Dead."
754
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,679
J‘J‘
755
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,189
There a lot of cool stuff
in--in "Day of the Dead."
756
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,113
We cut the guy's arm off,
you know.
757
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,912
I dug a hole under the guy
758
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,791
so his real arm goes
into the hole.
759
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,752
And tearing Taso's head off...
760
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,193
-And it's actually
Greg Nicotero's fingers
761
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,196
in the eyeballs
of the fake head,
762
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,593
and we're running cables down
763
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,119
to make the head work,
you know,
764
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,878
so it was effects guys
765
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,309
that were the featured zombies
tearing the head off.
766
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:53,839
- My head comes back
767
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,996
as a zombie head
in "Day of the Dead."
768
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,395
You gotta think about the way
that Tom designed things,
769
00:33:58,440 --> 00:33:59,668
because he approached
everything
770
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,233
like it was a magic trick.
771
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,998
You know, the idea
that you're--you're taking
772
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,032
a special effect
and you're deconstructing it
773
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,072
to the point where it's gotta
be a magic trick that's gonna
774
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,031
fool the audience.
- The disembowelments
775
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,593
in "Day of the Dead"
are unmatched.
776
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,830
- Without a doubt,
and that's why you get into--
777
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,872
people who--who watch movies
and get--get offended
778
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,638
by the--the gore,
and you're like,
779
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,875
”Well, you know
it's corn syrup..."
780
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,433
- It's a real presentation.
- Red powered--
781
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:26,879
red powdered food coloring.
782
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,638
- Millerl
783
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,557
Millerl
784
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,990
- The special makeup effects
pioneered by Tom Savini
785
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,996
and Greg Nicotero
on "Day of the Dead"...
786
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,598
Led directly
787
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,471
to the amazing work
we see today
788
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,954
on "The Walking Dead.‘I
789
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,560
- The kind of household
I grew up in was, you know,
790
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,158
"You can't go see
'Day ofthe Dead.‘
791
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,713
That's too--that's too much."
792
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,035
But now you see,
793
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,197
the level of gore that we saw
in George Romero's,
794
00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:55,993
"Day of the Dead"
on "Walking Dead" every week,
795
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,553
which is insane to me.
796
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,318
J‘J‘
797
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,157
- Go to the leftl
798
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:14,711
- In the wake
of a zombie apocalypse,
799
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,512
a small band of survivors
800
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,154
look for a safe place to live.
801
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,839
The biggest threat they face
aren't zombies,
802
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,030
but other people.
803
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,913
This is the premise
of "The Walking Dead,"
804
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,872
the TV series that brought
realistic horror
805
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,036
to the small screen.
806
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,271
- People used to come to me
and say, "Can you make us
807
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:39,992
a violent TV series?‘I
808
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,758
And I'd say, "Well,
what makes horror work is you--
809
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,518
"is you have the threat
of killing your characters,
810
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,120
"and what TV--what makes TV
work is you want to see
811
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,798
those characters every week..."
- Right.
812
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,432
- So you can't have them
almost die, and I could never
813
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:50,629
do the violence I wanted to do.
- Yeah, yeah.
814
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,159
- Cut to...
- Here we are.
815
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,952
- Greg Nicotero
and "The Walking Dead."
816
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,917
- "The Walking Dead" for sure
817
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:03,077
is the next
cultural milestone
818
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,236
really since "Dawn ofthe Dead"
and "Night of the Living Dead."
819
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,191
And, you know,
that‘s really been you.
820
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,832
- "Walking Dead"
is basically a Western with--
821
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,836
with the zombie,
apocalypse
822
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,472
set as the backdrop.
823
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,988
If "The Walking Dead"
had to be told
824
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,679
in a 2 1/2 hour time slot,
you'd never be able to do it.
825
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:22,199
You wouldn't care
about the characters.
826
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:23,673
You wouldn't really know
who Daryl is...
827
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:25,233
- Yeah.
- Who--who Rick is.
828
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,191
- I'm sorry
this happened to you.
829
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,839
- The plight of the survivors
is a dark reflection
830
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,314
of life in America today.
831
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,591
The mortgage crisis of 2008
resulted in more than
832
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,631
3 million people
losing their homes.
833
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,671
- Problems with
the housing market...
834
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,399
- Since then,
rising housing prices
835
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,476
in the major cities
have forced more people
836
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,080
to live on the street.
- Global meltdown.
837
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,509
- There's a sense
that civilization is fragile.
838
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,152
That any day now,
839
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,878
always moving,
840
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,354
surrounded by threats
on every side.
841
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,918
- That‘s what I always loved--
when "Walking Dead" came out,
842
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,871
lwould say to people, like,
"If the zombie apocalypse
843
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,672
"were real,
this is the closest thing
844
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:11,678
"that I've seen to what
that would probably feel like
845
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:13,312
and be like."
846
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,079
- When I first read
that script, I didn't--
847
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,190
you know, I didn't read it
as a zombie thing.
848
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,037
| read it as this guy
lost his family,
849
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,638
and he woke up, and he didn't
know where he was.
850
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,477
And he was gonna do anything
851
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,118
to go find his family,
and that's--
852
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,435
that stuck out on the page
way more than a zombie
853
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,993
here and there, you know?
854
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,473
And everybody
played it like that.
855
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:34,276
You have to play everything
as real as possible.
856
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:37,832
- There's so many examples
on that show where, like--
857
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,074
You're like, "My God,
is this gonna work?"
858
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,633
And the actors...
- No, no, nol
859
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,671
- Just pulled it out
and made it perfect.
860
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:44,995
No!
861
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,679
She was playing with me!
862
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:50,314
She wanted a friendl
- She wanted to kill you!
863
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,476
- I was gonna lead her away!
864
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,238
- You could have died.
- It's the same thing!
865
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,714
You killed her!
You killed her!
866
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,034
- There's a reason
there wasn't really
867
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,640
a zombie TV show before.
868
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:03,912
Effects need
869
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,632
to be really good
on a television show
870
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:08,280
so that people don't fall out
of the reality
871
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,675
thatyou're trying to sell.
872
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:12,950
- The best zombies, I think,
are what Greg is doing
873
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,956
in "The Walking Dead."
The best zombies today.
874
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,831
And there's a lot
of CGI there, you know,
875
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,917
and necessary,
because the zombies
876
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,757
have been around for so long,
877
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,031
now they're decaying
and rotting, you know?
878
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,911
' - Just a little more.
879
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,871
There's that one famous--
880
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,956
the "well walker..."
- Stopl
881
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,513
- Come on!
- Where he's just
882
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,198
so waterlogged and bloated
883
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:36,310
that he just sort of, like,
comes apart.
884
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:43,912
J‘J‘
885
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,877
that Greg does, is his team--
886
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,838
behind the monster, you know?
887
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,757
That's--that's when
they become scary.
888
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,598
- I never get sick of it,
honestly.
889
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,153
They keep--they keep
reinventing the wheel
890
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,430
with the zombies, it's nuts.
891
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,838
- Obviously the--the irony is,
who are the walking dead?
892
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,950
Is it the actual zombies
or is the people?
893
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,558
- Right, right.
- What are they willing
894
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,238
to do to each other to survive?
895
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,508
And that's...
- Yeah, at what point
896
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,437
do you lose your humanity?
- Right.
897
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,994
- "Walking Dead" being on
for so long surprises me,
898
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,271
'cause y'all should be dead
by now, man.
899
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,237
You know,
because it doesn't make sense.
900
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,271
To me.
901
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,873
- Doesn't it feel like zombies
are cresting now, too?
902
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,195
Yeah, right now it does
seem like we're in the middle
903
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:36,231
of a zombie apocalypse.
904
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,399
Yeah.
905
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,914
The dumbing down of society.
906
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,911
We're all zombies.
907
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,877
- Zombies are representative
908
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,876
of--ofAlzheimeI’s...
909
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,478
a just terrifying disease.
910
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,115
And zombies
are representatives of cancer.
911
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,037
To me, what's happened
with the zombie
912
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,310
is now they're representatives
of anarchy
913
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,396
and the collapse
of government.
914
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,396
The collapse of order.
915
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,432
- Zombies are really sort of
a wonderful catch-all metaphor
916
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,357
because they can mean
absolutely anything.
917
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,072
Zombies in 1968
918
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,236
are the breakdown
of American society.
919
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,354
In 2017
with "The Walking Dead..."
920
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,916
who knows
what it represents.
921
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,592
- One take-away could be
that everything's hopeless...
922
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,759
-Another take-away could be
that humans
923
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,315
will always persevere
even when...
924
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,237
it seems like there's
no reason to
925
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,918
or that it's impossible to.
926
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,519
- Yeah, zombies will never die.
927
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,073
No pun intended.
928
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:03,314
- It's so interesting,
the resurgence of zombies,
929
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,715
and the fact that they kind of
won't ever go away.
930
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,599
We'll always be
telling stories.
931
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,596
I think we'll--
we're never gonna lose
932
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,312
our fascination with them.
933
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:14,998
- Half a century ago.
934
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,679
George Romero created
the modern zombie--
935
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:20,757
America's great contribution
to monster horror.
936
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,672
Now, zombie movies are
an international phenomenon.
937
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:27,312
J‘J‘
938
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,715
The zombie plague
has infected the world.
939
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,318
As relentless
940
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,157
and unstoppable
941
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,430
as the flesh-eating undead.
942
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,198
- We wake them
and we got it all!
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