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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:03,975 [knocking] 3 00:00:05,576 --> 00:00:06,377 - Yes? 4 00:00:06,477 --> 00:00:08,746 - I'd like to see Mrs. Stoddard, if you'd be so kind. 5 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 6 00:00:10,381 --> 00:00:11,749 - Mrs. Stoddard. 7 00:00:11,849 --> 00:00:14,051 - This is Collinwood, isn't it? 8 00:00:14,151 --> 00:00:15,119 - Yes. 9 00:00:15,219 --> 00:00:17,955 - And the mistress here is Mrs. Elizabeth Collins Stoddard, 10 00:00:18,055 --> 00:00:19,290 is she not? 11 00:00:19,390 --> 00:00:20,191 - Yes. 12 00:00:20,291 --> 00:00:21,492 - Then perhaps you'd do me the courtesy 13 00:00:21,592 --> 00:00:23,895 to inform Mrs. Stoddard that her cousin is calling 14 00:00:23,995 --> 00:00:26,097 and wishes to pay his respects. 15 00:00:26,197 --> 00:00:28,232 - Her... her cousin? 16 00:00:28,332 --> 00:00:30,835 - Yes, her cousin from England. 17 00:00:31,669 --> 00:00:34,939 - From England. Oh, please come in. 18 00:00:35,039 --> 00:00:36,807 - I'd be delighted, thank you. 19 00:00:38,676 --> 00:00:40,444 [doors click shut] 20 00:00:43,614 --> 00:00:46,984 - Oh, would you like to wait in the drawing room? 21 00:00:47,084 --> 00:00:48,886 - Here will be fine, thank you. 22 00:00:51,689 --> 00:00:53,291 Oh, madam... 23 00:00:53,391 --> 00:00:55,993 if you would, you may tell her that it's 24 00:00:56,093 --> 00:00:57,862 Barnabas Collins. 25 00:00:57,962 --> 00:01:00,398 [eerie music] ♪♪ 26 00:01:02,733 --> 00:01:05,636 [uptempo stringed music] ♪♪ 27 00:01:27,658 --> 00:01:28,659 Go. 28 00:01:28,759 --> 00:01:30,595 You also allowed your friend Jason 29 00:01:30,695 --> 00:01:32,263 to follow you to the cemetery. 30 00:01:32,363 --> 00:01:34,632 ♪♪ 31 00:01:47,678 --> 00:01:49,947 You're were cold. - No. 32 00:01:54,151 --> 00:01:56,621 No! - You deserve to die! 33 00:01:56,721 --> 00:01:59,090 [woman screaming] 34 00:02:02,727 --> 00:02:04,829 - No! 35 00:02:04,929 --> 00:02:07,131 [woman screaming] 36 00:02:13,004 --> 00:02:15,373 [light piano music] ♪♪ 37 00:02:15,473 --> 00:02:16,907 - [V/O] Actors never know what role 38 00:02:17,008 --> 00:02:19,043 might make them famous. 39 00:02:19,143 --> 00:02:22,513 One of the great ironies of 20th century pop culture 40 00:02:22,613 --> 00:02:24,749 is that a classically trained Canadian actor 41 00:02:24,849 --> 00:02:26,651 took America by storm, 42 00:02:26,751 --> 00:02:30,254 with his portrayal of a 175 year old vampire. 43 00:02:31,022 --> 00:02:33,124 The show was Dark Shadows. 44 00:02:33,224 --> 00:02:36,160 Saved from cancellation in 1967 45 00:02:36,260 --> 00:02:39,196 when it introduced Shakespearean actor Jonathan Frid 46 00:02:39,296 --> 00:02:42,099 into the story line as Barnabas Collins. 47 00:02:42,199 --> 00:02:45,269 Multimedia's first sympathetic vampire. 48 00:02:45,703 --> 00:02:48,372 The iconic image of Frid as Barnabas Collins, 49 00:02:48,472 --> 00:02:51,142 adorned comic books and paperback gothic novels, 50 00:02:51,242 --> 00:02:53,644 bubble gun cards and even a board game 51 00:02:53,744 --> 00:02:55,279 complete with coffin. 52 00:02:55,513 --> 00:02:58,516 - He plays Barnabas Collins. Here's Jonathan Frid. 53 00:02:58,616 --> 00:02:59,784 [audience applause] 54 00:02:59,884 --> 00:03:02,353 - [V/O] He appeared on Merv Griffin, Mike Douglas, 55 00:03:02,453 --> 00:03:04,422 Dick Cavett and The Tonight Show. 56 00:03:04,522 --> 00:03:08,092 No television show seemed safe from the vampire's shadow. 57 00:03:08,192 --> 00:03:10,695 [audience cheering] 58 00:03:12,229 --> 00:03:14,432 - And might I remind you, it's one question at a time. 59 00:03:14,532 --> 00:03:16,834 I'll give you two minutes to try and establish the identity 60 00:03:16,934 --> 00:03:18,469 of our mystery guest. 61 00:03:18,569 --> 00:03:20,838 [audience cheering] 62 00:03:26,310 --> 00:03:28,579 And we're begging the questioning with Arlene Francis. 63 00:03:28,679 --> 00:03:30,948 - I never heard such a happy audience. 64 00:03:31,682 --> 00:03:35,219 Uh... and it sounded like a lot of young voices. 65 00:03:35,319 --> 00:03:37,955 Are you particularly appealing to the young? 66 00:03:39,890 --> 00:03:41,392 - Yes. 67 00:03:41,492 --> 00:03:43,127 [audience cheers] 68 00:03:43,260 --> 00:03:46,530 - [V/O] Overnight, Frid became rock star famous 69 00:03:46,630 --> 00:03:48,332 with screaming teenagers thronging 70 00:03:48,432 --> 00:03:51,469 to his personal appearances like he was one of the Beatles. 71 00:03:51,569 --> 00:03:55,206 Today, five decades after Dark Shadows went off the air, 72 00:03:55,306 --> 00:03:57,541 in April 1971, 73 00:03:57,641 --> 00:04:00,978 the show is still a pop culture touchstone. 74 00:04:01,078 --> 00:04:03,714 But what was the appeal of Barnabas Collins, 75 00:04:03,814 --> 00:04:06,751 and who's the man behind the vampire's cloak? 76 00:04:08,919 --> 00:04:11,822 - Night is drawing nearer and nearer to Collinwood. 77 00:04:13,491 --> 00:04:16,360 And the man who disappeared into another night 78 00:04:16,460 --> 00:04:18,162 has not been found. 79 00:04:19,263 --> 00:04:22,066 But out of the falling dusk another man has come. 80 00:04:24,068 --> 00:04:26,504 A stranger who is not a stranger. 81 00:04:28,672 --> 00:04:30,574 A man with a face who is long familiar 82 00:04:30,674 --> 00:04:32,510 to those who live at Collinwood. 83 00:04:34,044 --> 00:04:36,447 A man who has come a great distance. 84 00:04:37,615 --> 00:04:40,117 But who still bears deep within him 85 00:04:41,418 --> 00:04:45,256 a soul shaped by the far country from country from which he came. 86 00:04:45,456 --> 00:04:46,857 - Where's your home, Jonathan? Originally? 87 00:04:46,957 --> 00:04:48,993 - I'm from Hamilton, Ontario Canada. 88 00:04:49,093 --> 00:04:51,395 [audience applauds] 89 00:04:51,595 --> 00:04:53,631 I didn't know you had so many Canadian's. 90 00:04:53,864 --> 00:04:58,302 - [V/O] John Herbert Frid was born on December 2nd, 1924. 91 00:04:58,402 --> 00:05:00,838 The third and youngest son of Flora McGregor 92 00:05:00,938 --> 00:05:02,506 and Herbert Percival Frid. 93 00:05:02,606 --> 00:05:05,276 The family owned and operated Frid Construction. 94 00:05:05,376 --> 00:05:07,812 One of the leading construction firms in Hamilton. 95 00:05:07,912 --> 00:05:10,681 The Frid family also supported the development of parks 96 00:05:10,781 --> 00:05:12,449 and green spaces throughout the city 97 00:05:12,550 --> 00:05:14,018 and neighboring communities. 98 00:05:14,118 --> 00:05:16,086 - I knew H.P. a little bit 99 00:05:16,187 --> 00:05:18,355 as he passed away when I was about seven years old, 100 00:05:18,455 --> 00:05:19,757 but I do remember him. 101 00:05:19,857 --> 00:05:23,294 Very quiet, laid-back, very gentle man. 102 00:05:23,394 --> 00:05:25,029 - My grandfather and then my father 103 00:05:25,129 --> 00:05:26,931 who took over the construction company, 104 00:05:27,031 --> 00:05:28,465 were the business men, 105 00:05:28,566 --> 00:05:30,968 and my grandmother was the P.R. person. 106 00:05:31,068 --> 00:05:33,037 She would entertain all of the clients. 107 00:05:33,137 --> 00:05:35,306 She was the life of the party. 108 00:05:35,406 --> 00:05:36,674 The belle of the ball. 109 00:05:36,774 --> 00:05:38,609 - [V/O] Jonathan and his brothers spent summers 110 00:05:38,709 --> 00:05:42,446 at his maternal grandparent's sprawling estate in Waterdale. 111 00:05:42,546 --> 00:05:44,281 It was called the Clunes. 112 00:05:44,381 --> 00:05:47,218 Named after his grandmother's childhood home in Scotland. 113 00:05:47,318 --> 00:05:50,187 The property included a pond, and seven cottages. 114 00:05:50,287 --> 00:05:52,857 While his mother Flora hosted garden parties, 115 00:05:52,957 --> 00:05:55,860 Jonathan enjoyed recreational time with his cousins, 116 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,162 away from his rigorous studies at school. 117 00:05:58,262 --> 00:06:02,166 - The first time I was ever nervous of acting 118 00:06:02,266 --> 00:06:04,368 was simply getting up in the aisle in school 119 00:06:04,468 --> 00:06:06,770 and having to recite a poem in class, 120 00:06:06,871 --> 00:06:11,508 and I would shake with... shiver, fear. 121 00:06:11,609 --> 00:06:13,611 - [V/O] Jonathan's early education took place at 122 00:06:13,711 --> 00:06:14,945 Hillfield School. 123 00:06:15,045 --> 00:06:17,081 An all boys preparatory school. 124 00:06:17,181 --> 00:06:19,416 Jonathan struggled academically at Hillfield, 125 00:06:19,516 --> 00:06:22,253 which caused lingering feelings of low self esteem. 126 00:06:22,353 --> 00:06:25,689 Both Jonathan and his brother Ken suffered from dyslexia, 127 00:06:25,789 --> 00:06:27,892 which was not properly understood at the time. 128 00:06:27,992 --> 00:06:29,193 - I was sixteen. 129 00:06:29,293 --> 00:06:32,663 I begged to be in the senior play, 130 00:06:32,763 --> 00:06:35,399 because usually the only people that were in it 131 00:06:35,499 --> 00:06:36,467 were drafted into it. 132 00:06:36,567 --> 00:06:40,004 Because they were in the top six smart students in the class. 133 00:06:40,104 --> 00:06:42,373 The top-- The top two classes. 134 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,943 And of course, I was never in the top six. 135 00:06:46,043 --> 00:06:48,779 However, they tested me and gave me the roll 136 00:06:48,879 --> 00:06:51,849 as Sir Anthony Absolute in Sheridan's The Rivals. 137 00:06:51,949 --> 00:06:54,818 We used to rehearse those things for six to eight weeks. 138 00:06:54,919 --> 00:06:57,888 And I don't think I did any studying at all for those weeks. 139 00:06:57,988 --> 00:07:00,291 All I did was to perfect-- 140 00:07:00,391 --> 00:07:03,093 To get that roll down to such perfection. 141 00:07:03,193 --> 00:07:06,030 - [V/O] Jonathan spent so much time working on The Rivals, 142 00:07:06,130 --> 00:07:07,665 he failed two subjects. 143 00:07:07,765 --> 00:07:09,900 Which meant he would have to repeat his Junior year 144 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,135 at Hillfield. 145 00:07:11,235 --> 00:07:13,570 Instead, he moved to Westdale Collegiate 146 00:07:13,671 --> 00:07:15,806 for his Senior year of high school. 147 00:07:15,906 --> 00:07:18,409 There he was cast as King Charles II 148 00:07:18,509 --> 00:07:20,844 in a comedy entitled, So To Bed, 149 00:07:20,945 --> 00:07:23,247 but he also began to look for other opportunities 150 00:07:23,347 --> 00:07:25,049 to be on stage. 151 00:07:25,482 --> 00:07:28,319 - We're at The Players' Guild of Hamilton. 152 00:07:28,419 --> 00:07:33,257 And I, at this point in time, run the costume department 153 00:07:33,357 --> 00:07:34,825 in this theater. 154 00:07:34,925 --> 00:07:38,629 Jonathan enjoyed a wonderful few years here. 155 00:07:38,729 --> 00:07:42,499 He was seventeen years old when he first came to the Guild. 156 00:07:42,599 --> 00:07:46,737 Gladys Gillian was the director that really caught 157 00:07:46,837 --> 00:07:51,175 Jonathan Frid's imagination, and helped him 158 00:07:51,275 --> 00:07:56,213 to further hone his abilities on the stage. 159 00:07:56,313 --> 00:07:57,381 She was an American. 160 00:07:57,481 --> 00:08:01,885 Her stories about New York probably planted the seeds 161 00:08:01,986 --> 00:08:05,289 for Jonathan's decision a little later in life 162 00:08:05,389 --> 00:08:07,358 to go to the States. 163 00:08:07,458 --> 00:08:09,860 Jonathan went to McMaster University. 164 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,696 He belonged to the drama club, of course. 165 00:08:12,796 --> 00:08:16,066 He decided to call Gladys, 166 00:08:16,166 --> 00:08:18,502 because he had such a good experience with her 167 00:08:18,602 --> 00:08:19,603 at The Players' Guild. 168 00:08:19,703 --> 00:08:23,007 And he invited her to direct a couple of plays at McMaster. 169 00:08:23,107 --> 00:08:26,143 The Royal Family and The Barrett's of Wimpole Street. 170 00:08:26,243 --> 00:08:28,345 - [V/O] Jonathan's years at McMaster were interrupted 171 00:08:28,445 --> 00:08:29,813 by World War II. 172 00:08:29,913 --> 00:08:32,449 All three Frid brothers entered the armed forces. 173 00:08:32,549 --> 00:08:35,953 Jonathan insisted in the Royal Canadian Navy 1944, 174 00:08:36,053 --> 00:08:38,856 where he was assigned to the H.M.C.S Algonquin. 175 00:08:38,956 --> 00:08:40,791 Fortunately, the Japanese surrendered 176 00:08:40,891 --> 00:08:42,693 before Jonathan would see combat. 177 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,396 Jonathan returned to McMaster where he would become 178 00:08:45,496 --> 00:08:46,764 drama club president 179 00:08:46,864 --> 00:08:48,565 and graduated with the university's 180 00:08:48,665 --> 00:08:50,501 Honor Society Award for drama. 181 00:08:50,601 --> 00:08:51,735 - Then I went to England 182 00:08:51,835 --> 00:08:53,637 and I studied at the Royal Academy. 183 00:08:53,737 --> 00:08:55,906 I didn't complete my course there. 184 00:08:56,006 --> 00:08:57,608 You know how people are when they're young, 185 00:08:57,708 --> 00:08:59,777 they can't wait to start working. 186 00:08:59,877 --> 00:09:02,579 And I went into repertoire down in Kent, 187 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,015 and another repertoire company in Cornwall. 188 00:09:05,115 --> 00:09:09,253 And I finally did a national tour of a West End success 189 00:09:09,353 --> 00:09:10,387 called The Third Visitor, 190 00:09:10,487 --> 00:09:12,489 in which I played an American gangster. 191 00:09:12,589 --> 00:09:14,525 - [V/O] While in England following a performance of 192 00:09:14,625 --> 00:09:16,560 Venus Observed in the West End, 193 00:09:16,660 --> 00:09:19,463 Jonathan met the actor he admired most, 194 00:09:19,563 --> 00:09:21,198 Laurence Olivier. 195 00:09:21,298 --> 00:09:23,167 Olivier counseled the young actor to correct 196 00:09:23,267 --> 00:09:25,202 any technical flaws in his diction. 197 00:09:25,302 --> 00:09:26,470 An essential accomplishment 198 00:09:26,570 --> 00:09:29,073 for an actor serious about the classics. 199 00:09:29,173 --> 00:09:31,575 Jonathan took Olivier's advice to heart. 200 00:09:33,177 --> 00:09:35,879 Jonathan returned to Canada and ventured to Toronto 201 00:09:35,979 --> 00:09:38,515 looking to start his theatrical career in earnest. 202 00:09:38,949 --> 00:09:42,686 He made his Shakespearean debut during the summer of 1951 203 00:09:42,786 --> 00:09:44,421 at the Toronto Shakespeare festival, 204 00:09:44,521 --> 00:09:46,623 directed and produced by Earl Gray. 205 00:09:47,291 --> 00:09:48,892 Eager to enhance his vocal strength 206 00:09:48,992 --> 00:09:50,828 for the great Shakespearean roles, 207 00:09:50,928 --> 00:09:53,097 he attended voices classes at Lorne Greene's 208 00:09:53,197 --> 00:09:54,698 Academy of Radio Arts. 209 00:09:54,798 --> 00:09:57,501 Practice sessions included tongue twister poetry. 210 00:09:57,601 --> 00:10:00,771 - The teeny tine woman opened the teeny tiny gate, 211 00:10:00,871 --> 00:10:04,041 and went into a teeny tiny church yard, 212 00:10:04,141 --> 00:10:07,111 and when this tiny tiny woman had gotten into 213 00:10:07,211 --> 00:10:09,513 the tiny tiny church yard 214 00:10:09,613 --> 00:10:12,316 she saw a teeny tiny bone 215 00:10:12,416 --> 00:10:15,319 on a teeny tiny grave. 216 00:10:15,419 --> 00:10:17,855 There once were two cats at Kilkenny. 217 00:10:17,955 --> 00:10:21,425 Each thought there was one cat too many, 218 00:10:21,525 --> 00:10:25,295 so they fought, and they fit, and thy scratched, and they bit, 219 00:10:25,395 --> 00:10:29,133 till, excepting their nails, and the tips of their tails, 220 00:10:29,233 --> 00:10:32,469 instead of two cats, there weren't any. 221 00:10:32,569 --> 00:10:34,404 - Jonathan came back to the area. 222 00:10:34,505 --> 00:10:38,041 He was part of a production called Asleep of Prisoners. 223 00:10:38,142 --> 00:10:42,446 The production fascinated him because it was held in a church. 224 00:10:42,546 --> 00:10:45,349 Centenary United Church right down town, 225 00:10:45,449 --> 00:10:48,585 in the middle of all the hustle and bustle of Hamilton. 226 00:10:49,686 --> 00:10:55,626 1954 saw Jonathan involved in the Dominion Drama Festival. 227 00:10:55,726 --> 00:10:59,196 The Dominion Drama Festival was actually an organization 228 00:10:59,296 --> 00:11:03,433 made up of a number of other smaller festivals. 229 00:11:03,534 --> 00:11:06,503 The one that Hamilton belonged in was 230 00:11:06,603 --> 00:11:09,139 the Western Ontario Drama League. WODL. 231 00:11:09,239 --> 00:11:11,942 And he was in Rebecca 232 00:11:12,042 --> 00:11:17,548 and they went to the WODL level, and performed very well. 233 00:11:17,648 --> 00:11:19,550 Were called "Best Play", 234 00:11:19,650 --> 00:11:23,754 and Jonathan Frid got a mention for his portrayal. 235 00:11:23,854 --> 00:11:28,225 And they went from there as the best of that festival 236 00:11:28,325 --> 00:11:30,894 to the Dominion Drama Festival. 237 00:11:32,095 --> 00:11:36,099 They found themselves in a 2000 seat theater. 238 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,203 The Palace Theater in downtown Hamilton. 239 00:11:39,303 --> 00:11:42,439 It was unfortunate in many respects 240 00:11:42,539 --> 00:11:44,775 because a number of actors 241 00:11:44,875 --> 00:11:47,144 finding themselves in this huge house, 242 00:11:47,244 --> 00:11:50,881 with this great expanse of stage 243 00:11:50,981 --> 00:11:52,916 started shouting their lines. 244 00:11:53,016 --> 00:11:55,419 The critics were not amused. 245 00:11:55,519 --> 00:11:59,156 Jonathan was mortified that Rebecca was not received better 246 00:11:59,256 --> 00:12:02,759 after its performance at the Palace Theater. 247 00:12:02,859 --> 00:12:06,029 It's a shame because it's probably one of the last 248 00:12:06,129 --> 00:12:08,565 times that he actually performed up here 249 00:12:08,665 --> 00:12:11,401 before he made the decision to go to the States. 250 00:12:11,501 --> 00:12:13,437 - I wanted to be a director at one point in my life, 251 00:12:13,537 --> 00:12:15,439 so I went down to the Yale drama school 252 00:12:15,539 --> 00:12:16,940 and took directing there. 253 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:18,242 And uh... 254 00:12:18,342 --> 00:12:20,877 But I've never directed yet professionally, 255 00:12:20,978 --> 00:12:22,379 but I want to do it someday. 256 00:12:22,479 --> 00:12:24,781 - I met Jonathan Frid at the Yale School of Drama, 257 00:12:24,881 --> 00:12:28,151 where we were all students there together. 258 00:12:28,252 --> 00:12:32,556 And he was kinda awesome in the sense of a presence 259 00:12:32,656 --> 00:12:33,657 that he had. 260 00:12:33,757 --> 00:12:35,259 It was like meeting an actor 261 00:12:35,359 --> 00:12:37,261 from the Royal Shakespeare Company in terms 262 00:12:37,361 --> 00:12:43,000 of the kind of quality he had of dignity and class, basically. 263 00:12:43,100 --> 00:12:44,735 - When I was at Yale there was a guy 264 00:12:44,835 --> 00:12:47,237 whose name I'd heard before I ever met him. 265 00:12:47,337 --> 00:12:49,206 Uh, John Frid. 266 00:12:49,306 --> 00:12:51,441 And actors... some of them had funny stories 267 00:12:51,541 --> 00:12:53,744 about him and... 268 00:12:53,844 --> 00:12:56,713 I think everybody liked John Frid. 269 00:12:56,813 --> 00:12:59,416 And Jonathan was kind of a classical actor, really, 270 00:12:59,516 --> 00:13:01,118 when I first knew him. 271 00:13:01,218 --> 00:13:04,154 He would be in Shakespeare and so on. 272 00:13:04,254 --> 00:13:06,923 Excellent, versatile actor. 273 00:13:07,024 --> 00:13:07,958 - You had to act. 274 00:13:08,058 --> 00:13:10,560 If you were going to be a director, you have to know 275 00:13:10,661 --> 00:13:13,063 what the emotional and psychological process 276 00:13:13,163 --> 00:13:14,698 of an actor is. 277 00:13:14,798 --> 00:13:19,236 To be able to communicate with them and help them. 278 00:13:19,336 --> 00:13:20,704 - [V/O] After completing the first year 279 00:13:20,804 --> 00:13:22,072 of his Masters program, 280 00:13:22,172 --> 00:13:24,041 Jonathan was chosen to be a leading actor 281 00:13:24,141 --> 00:13:25,242 for the inaugural season 282 00:13:25,342 --> 00:13:26,743 of the Williamstown Theatre Festival, 283 00:13:26,843 --> 00:13:28,879 in Williamstown Massachusetts. 284 00:13:28,979 --> 00:13:31,148 Jonathan would appear in eight of the ten plays, 285 00:13:31,248 --> 00:13:33,083 presented in just ten weeks. 286 00:13:33,183 --> 00:13:34,618 It was a grueling schedule, 287 00:13:34,718 --> 00:13:37,254 but he never the less found it exhilarating. 288 00:13:37,354 --> 00:13:38,755 When the summer season ended, 289 00:13:38,855 --> 00:13:41,725 he headed back to New Haven for his second year at Yale. 290 00:13:41,825 --> 00:13:43,560 - Directors had to cover all fields 291 00:13:43,660 --> 00:13:46,830 from acting to knowing the physics of lighting. 292 00:13:46,930 --> 00:13:52,369 And we had to do ground plans, elevations for stage design, 293 00:13:52,469 --> 00:13:54,004 we had to do all these things. 294 00:13:54,104 --> 00:13:56,707 And so it was really kinda of a marvelous three years for me. 295 00:13:56,807 --> 00:13:58,809 And I'll always be grateful for Yale. 296 00:13:58,909 --> 00:14:01,111 - [V/O] After receiving high praise for his portrayal 297 00:14:01,211 --> 00:14:03,880 of Tulus Ophedius in Shakespeare's Coriolanus 298 00:14:03,980 --> 00:14:04,848 at Yale. 299 00:14:04,948 --> 00:14:07,050 Jonathan was invited to join the acting company 300 00:14:07,150 --> 00:14:08,752 of the American Shakespeare Festival 301 00:14:08,852 --> 00:14:10,220 at Stratford Connecticut. 302 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,189 For two consecutive summer seasons, 303 00:14:12,289 --> 00:14:14,558 Jonathan was thrilled to have the opportunity to work 304 00:14:14,658 --> 00:14:16,293 with a number of distinguished actors, 305 00:14:16,393 --> 00:14:19,096 such as Alfred Drake and Katharine Hepburn. 306 00:14:19,396 --> 00:14:22,766 - I was in a production of Othello with him 307 00:14:22,866 --> 00:14:26,269 at the Stratford Connecticut Shakespeare festival, 308 00:14:26,370 --> 00:14:29,373 and Jonathan came on as a vigorous soldier, 309 00:14:29,473 --> 00:14:32,242 sword at his side, 310 00:14:32,342 --> 00:14:35,011 got to the center of the stage, 311 00:14:35,112 --> 00:14:37,280 and delivered the first three lines 312 00:14:37,381 --> 00:14:39,316 from The Merchant of Venice. 313 00:14:40,283 --> 00:14:42,686 He realized he was in the wrong play, 314 00:14:42,786 --> 00:14:45,889 made a sharp right, stumbled a little, 315 00:14:45,989 --> 00:14:48,859 went to the edge of the stage to leave. 316 00:14:48,959 --> 00:14:52,396 And the set in those days, if you can picture this, 317 00:14:52,496 --> 00:14:55,432 was called the Venetian Blinds, 318 00:14:55,532 --> 00:14:57,234 they went all the way up to the ceiling. 319 00:14:57,334 --> 00:15:01,638 Jonathan in his turn to exit, crashed [laughing] 320 00:15:01,738 --> 00:15:06,009 into the nearest Venetian blind and tried to get away from it, 321 00:15:06,109 --> 00:15:08,145 but his sword had gone in between 322 00:15:08,245 --> 00:15:11,047 the two close together slats there, 323 00:15:11,148 --> 00:15:13,283 and he couldn't jerk it loose. 324 00:15:13,383 --> 00:15:16,686 So I think he finally let it pull out and hang there, 325 00:15:16,787 --> 00:15:17,954 and went off stage. 326 00:15:18,054 --> 00:15:21,425 Somehow, they got on with the rest of the play. 327 00:15:21,525 --> 00:15:23,860 [laughing] Later he said, "I just don't know what happens 328 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:24,828 with me." 329 00:15:24,928 --> 00:15:26,797 - [V/O] Jonathan joined Hepburn and other members 330 00:15:26,897 --> 00:15:28,398 of the American Shakespeare Festival 331 00:15:28,498 --> 00:15:30,400 following his graduation from Yale. 332 00:15:30,500 --> 00:15:33,203 On a national tour of Much Ado About Nothing. 333 00:15:33,303 --> 00:15:35,372 When the tour concluded, Jonathan settled into 334 00:15:35,472 --> 00:15:37,407 an apartment near Washington Square Park 335 00:15:37,507 --> 00:15:38,975 in New York City. 336 00:15:39,075 --> 00:15:41,111 Despite his interest in directing and teaching, 337 00:15:41,211 --> 00:15:43,380 Jonathan's passion was to act. 338 00:15:44,714 --> 00:15:47,350 - George Rufhogan and I co-produced The Goal 339 00:15:47,451 --> 00:15:49,553 in which Jonathan Frid was in. 340 00:15:49,653 --> 00:15:51,922 It was our first show off Broadway. 341 00:15:52,022 --> 00:15:55,659 Jonathan played the antagonist, though he had that 342 00:15:55,759 --> 00:15:57,127 esthetic weight. 343 00:15:57,227 --> 00:15:59,362 He had a gravitas, you know. 344 00:15:59,463 --> 00:16:02,699 Which was electrifying on stage. 345 00:16:02,799 --> 00:16:05,001 He drew you in. 346 00:16:14,578 --> 00:16:16,379 - "Dear Mother and Dad, 347 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,882 "while the press have been most favorable 348 00:16:18,982 --> 00:16:20,350 "for Moon in the Yellow River, 349 00:16:20,450 --> 00:16:22,319 "the public response has not. 350 00:16:22,419 --> 00:16:24,955 "In fact, it has gone from bad to worse. 351 00:16:25,055 --> 00:16:27,724 "Last week our closing notice went up. 352 00:16:27,824 --> 00:16:29,926 "And so the unemployment situation throughout 353 00:16:30,026 --> 00:16:32,896 the nation will be worsened come next Sunday.?" 354 00:16:33,797 --> 00:16:35,365 "Dear Mother and Dad, 355 00:16:35,465 --> 00:16:37,868 "last week I was called to read for the roll of Ronny 356 00:16:37,968 --> 00:16:41,004 "in the Broadway production of A Passage to India. 357 00:16:41,104 --> 00:16:42,906 "While the audition went brilliantly, 358 00:16:43,006 --> 00:16:45,876 "I think I gave the most flawless reading of my career. 359 00:16:45,976 --> 00:16:47,944 "The producers showed great interest in me 360 00:16:48,044 --> 00:16:48,945 "after it was over. 361 00:16:49,045 --> 00:16:50,847 "I answered their questions precisely 362 00:16:50,947 --> 00:16:54,518 and for once in my life, I didn't talk too much." 363 00:16:54,784 --> 00:16:56,386 "Today the readings were transferred to 364 00:16:56,486 --> 00:16:58,121 "the Winter Garden Theatre. 365 00:16:58,221 --> 00:16:59,689 "What a difference this always makes 366 00:16:59,789 --> 00:17:02,959 "from the comfortable circumstances of a private room. 367 00:17:03,059 --> 00:17:05,095 "Each of us read very briefly. 368 00:17:05,195 --> 00:17:06,563 "One is cut off all too soon. 369 00:17:06,663 --> 00:17:07,597 "No chance to get going, 370 00:17:07,697 --> 00:17:10,066 "only sound quality they want to see. 371 00:17:10,166 --> 00:17:11,535 "And so you walk offstage, 372 00:17:11,635 --> 00:17:13,503 "the half smile to the stage manager. 373 00:17:13,603 --> 00:17:14,771 "And a feeble, 'Thank you'. 374 00:17:14,871 --> 00:17:17,340 "And then a stupid, insincere, 'Good luck', 375 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,075 "to the others you would rather see dead 376 00:17:19,175 --> 00:17:21,144 "as you grab your coat and loose yourself 377 00:17:21,244 --> 00:17:22,979 in the crowded street." 378 00:17:23,246 --> 00:17:25,682 "Well the roll in Passage to India 379 00:17:25,782 --> 00:17:27,717 "finally went to well known actor about town 380 00:17:27,817 --> 00:17:30,186 "called Louis Edmonds. 381 00:17:30,287 --> 00:17:31,922 "It was a sad miss. 382 00:17:32,022 --> 00:17:34,891 I think the biggest disappointment to date." 383 00:17:36,092 --> 00:17:38,595 - Why did he become an actor? Why did he become a director? 384 00:17:38,695 --> 00:17:41,364 It's obviously something that dare possess 385 00:17:41,464 --> 00:17:42,966 to share with the world. 386 00:17:43,066 --> 00:17:44,467 Why would you put up with all the stuff 387 00:17:44,568 --> 00:17:45,569 that you have to put up with? 388 00:17:45,669 --> 00:17:48,271 Unless there's something that obsess you, 389 00:17:48,371 --> 00:17:50,040 that you want to say and share 390 00:17:50,140 --> 00:17:52,342 and that you have to do. 391 00:17:52,842 --> 00:17:55,011 And uh... 392 00:17:55,111 --> 00:17:57,280 You know, being an actor, 393 00:17:59,182 --> 00:18:00,917 you have to share your soul. 394 00:18:01,651 --> 00:18:04,020 - "I took my first Broadway bow last Thursday night 395 00:18:04,120 --> 00:18:06,590 "after going on for an actor I was covering. 396 00:18:06,690 --> 00:18:09,793 "After four performances I feel like a veteran. 397 00:18:09,893 --> 00:18:12,929 "By then I was getting solid laughs precisely timed. 398 00:18:13,029 --> 00:18:15,131 "As I came off the stage Saturday night, 399 00:18:15,231 --> 00:18:16,700 "Betsy Palmer said, 400 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,836 "'You were just plain brilliant tonight. ' 401 00:18:19,936 --> 00:18:21,605 "Naturally, I felt glorious. 402 00:18:21,705 --> 00:18:24,975 A moment in which a life long dream was achieved." 403 00:18:25,976 --> 00:18:27,110 "Dear Mother and Dad, 404 00:18:27,210 --> 00:18:28,278 "after a month or two, 405 00:18:28,378 --> 00:18:30,113 "which seem to be stage hard times, 406 00:18:30,213 --> 00:18:32,148 "I'm back in business with contracts signed 407 00:18:32,248 --> 00:18:34,084 "for what could be a comfortably long stay 408 00:18:34,184 --> 00:18:36,820 "at the Phoenix Theatre in Henry iv, Part 2, 409 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,121 "which I am now rehearsing. 410 00:18:38,221 --> 00:18:40,290 "I've only two scenes, but they are good ones. 411 00:18:40,390 --> 00:18:42,959 "I'm playing Scroop, Archbishop of York. 412 00:18:43,059 --> 00:18:44,995 "Also, in May I will be taking over the roll 413 00:18:45,095 --> 00:18:47,564 "of the Earl of Worcester, in Henry IV, Part 1. 414 00:18:47,664 --> 00:18:49,966 "A somewhat larger part, Worcester is the leader 415 00:18:50,066 --> 00:18:52,102 of the apposing forces to the king." 416 00:18:52,202 --> 00:18:54,137 [horn music] ♪♪ 417 00:18:58,174 --> 00:19:00,910 - Oh no, my nephew must not know Sir Richard 418 00:19:01,011 --> 00:19:02,912 the liberal and kind author of the king. 419 00:19:03,013 --> 00:19:05,281 - For best you did! - Then have we all undone? 420 00:19:05,382 --> 00:19:06,950 It is not possible. It cannot be that king 421 00:19:07,050 --> 00:19:08,451 should keep his word in loving us. 422 00:19:08,551 --> 00:19:10,153 He will suspect us still. 423 00:19:10,253 --> 00:19:12,622 And find a time to punish his offense and other folds. 424 00:19:12,722 --> 00:19:14,157 Therefore, good cousin, 425 00:19:14,257 --> 00:19:17,394 let knot Harry know in any case the offer of the king. 426 00:19:18,695 --> 00:19:20,096 - Deliver what you will, I will take the fall. 427 00:19:20,196 --> 00:19:22,932 - My uncle has returned. Uncle, what news? 428 00:19:23,033 --> 00:19:25,602 - The king will big you battle presently. 429 00:19:26,503 --> 00:19:28,571 - Defy him! - There's no seeming mercy in the king. 430 00:19:28,672 --> 00:19:29,906 - Did you beg, God forbid. 431 00:19:30,006 --> 00:19:32,208 - The Prince of Wales stepped forth before the king, 432 00:19:32,308 --> 00:19:35,779 and nephew, challenged you to single fight. 433 00:19:36,579 --> 00:19:39,816 - Oh, what the quarrel lay upon our heads, 434 00:19:39,916 --> 00:19:42,419 and that no man might draw short breath today. 435 00:19:42,519 --> 00:19:44,654 But I and Harry Monmouth. 436 00:19:44,754 --> 00:19:47,424 - [V/O] Following the broadcast of Henry IV, Part 1, 437 00:19:47,524 --> 00:19:49,259 Jonathan took his agent's advice, 438 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,495 and changed his stage name from simple John Frid, 439 00:19:52,595 --> 00:19:55,065 to the more imposing Jonathan Frid. 440 00:19:55,832 --> 00:19:57,000 - "Dear Mother and Dad, 441 00:19:57,100 --> 00:19:59,369 "good news this morning, I was called to appear 442 00:19:59,469 --> 00:20:02,172 "on a couple of installments on As The World Turns. 443 00:20:02,272 --> 00:20:03,373 "A soap opera. 444 00:20:03,473 --> 00:20:05,108 "I'm to play a psychiatrist. 445 00:20:05,208 --> 00:20:07,143 "The heroine is apparently in a bad way. 446 00:20:07,243 --> 00:20:09,512 "Not unusual, I guess. 447 00:20:09,612 --> 00:20:12,282 I hope she gets worse, and needs me often." 448 00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:16,286 - Now, I was sitting at home while I was watching this. 449 00:20:16,386 --> 00:20:18,655 I'd never been on a soap before at this point. 450 00:20:18,755 --> 00:20:22,692 The wife has been very ill, and the husband said to her, 451 00:20:22,792 --> 00:20:26,696 "Look, I've called this doctor to come and see you, 452 00:20:26,796 --> 00:20:27,997 he's a psychiatrist." 453 00:20:28,098 --> 00:20:29,933 "I don't want to see any psychiatrist!" 454 00:20:30,033 --> 00:20:35,004 So, he said, "Oh, but he's on his way over here right now." 455 00:20:35,105 --> 00:20:36,906 Good God, I'm supposed to be down at the studio! 456 00:20:37,006 --> 00:20:38,608 He's coming right now. 457 00:20:38,708 --> 00:20:41,244 That's how naive I was. [chuckles] 458 00:20:41,344 --> 00:20:43,546 So finally, when I got that settled, 459 00:20:43,646 --> 00:20:45,281 I think I called them and they said, 460 00:20:45,381 --> 00:20:48,251 "You're not on for a while. Relax." 461 00:20:48,952 --> 00:20:51,221 - We're on the verge of this period, 462 00:20:51,321 --> 00:20:53,623 going into the Kennedy administration, 463 00:20:53,723 --> 00:20:56,459 where culture was like the hula hoop 464 00:20:56,559 --> 00:20:58,995 for a moment of the times. 465 00:20:59,095 --> 00:21:01,865 And the Ford Foundation, and the Rockefeller Foundation, 466 00:21:01,965 --> 00:21:03,466 and the National Endowment for the Arts. 467 00:21:03,566 --> 00:21:06,870 Then eventually state government started funding 468 00:21:06,970 --> 00:21:08,838 non-profit theaters throughout the country, 469 00:21:08,938 --> 00:21:12,408 so that cities would have their own theater companies 470 00:21:12,509 --> 00:21:16,312 doing the great works instead of just getting Broadway shows 471 00:21:16,412 --> 00:21:19,315 that were touring in or out of New York. 472 00:21:19,415 --> 00:21:22,652 That changed things in the American theater. 473 00:21:22,752 --> 00:21:25,288 - They gave audiences around the country 474 00:21:25,388 --> 00:21:29,993 a chance to come and see professional actors 475 00:21:30,093 --> 00:21:31,427 doing these plays 476 00:21:31,528 --> 00:21:36,533 and that helped spread theater around the country. 477 00:21:38,001 --> 00:21:41,104 - The regional theaters began to pick me up, 478 00:21:41,204 --> 00:21:44,808 and ask me to come out, and offer me nice spots. 479 00:21:44,908 --> 00:21:47,177 Out there in the field I had a wonderful time 480 00:21:47,277 --> 00:21:48,444 playing things out there. 481 00:21:48,545 --> 00:21:50,413 - I met Jonathan in the 60s, 482 00:21:50,513 --> 00:21:53,249 and he was an actor that had been brought in 483 00:21:53,349 --> 00:21:57,120 to play the roll of Oberon Tiresias, 484 00:21:57,220 --> 00:22:01,024 and I played Philostrate Puck. 485 00:22:01,124 --> 00:22:03,793 So my major scenes were with Jonathan. 486 00:22:03,893 --> 00:22:06,429 The production was Front Street Theater 487 00:22:06,529 --> 00:22:09,199 which was a regional theater in the day, 488 00:22:09,299 --> 00:22:11,301 and it was in Memphis. 489 00:22:11,401 --> 00:22:14,737 - So I'm a young actor. 490 00:22:14,838 --> 00:22:19,409 I was about 28, I think. In Philadelphia. 491 00:22:19,509 --> 00:22:22,445 I did two years at Arena Stage in Washington D. C. 492 00:22:22,545 --> 00:22:25,215 Anyway, this company that we assembled, 493 00:22:25,315 --> 00:22:28,918 there was this guy with a great voice, 494 00:22:29,018 --> 00:22:31,054 and he can handle classical material. 495 00:22:31,154 --> 00:22:33,223 He can handle words. 496 00:22:33,323 --> 00:22:37,160 So we did a play by Allen Wi called Poor Bitos, 497 00:22:37,260 --> 00:22:40,830 and he was also in the Sheridan that we did, The Critic. 498 00:22:40,930 --> 00:22:42,732 - [V/O] March, 1965. 499 00:22:42,832 --> 00:22:43,833 "Dear Mother and Dad, 500 00:22:43,933 --> 00:22:45,435 "I'm getting more convinced than ever 501 00:22:45,535 --> 00:22:48,371 "that I'll probably make my mark in this kind of theater. 502 00:22:48,471 --> 00:22:50,273 "Regional theater, Universities, 503 00:22:50,373 --> 00:22:52,275 "rather than in commercial television. 504 00:22:52,375 --> 00:22:54,878 "I feel that I have a flare for one and not the other. 505 00:22:54,978 --> 00:22:56,212 "The encouraging thing is, 506 00:22:56,312 --> 00:22:59,048 that there is so very much work around the country these days." 507 00:22:59,148 --> 00:23:02,585 - The summer before that I had played Coriolanus in San Diego. 508 00:23:02,685 --> 00:23:05,088 So they wanted me to come back, and I thought that was great. 509 00:23:05,188 --> 00:23:09,392 I just said to John, "Do you want to go to San Diego?" 510 00:23:09,492 --> 00:23:11,427 "Why not? Who wouldn't want to?" 511 00:23:11,527 --> 00:23:12,428 So I called him, I said, 512 00:23:12,528 --> 00:23:14,063 "There's a guy here you gotta see." 513 00:23:14,163 --> 00:23:15,598 "You gotta get him. He's good. 514 00:23:15,698 --> 00:23:17,967 Get him before someone else gets him." 515 00:23:18,067 --> 00:23:19,869 Jonathan Frid. 516 00:23:19,969 --> 00:23:22,472 So we did Romeo and Juliet. 517 00:23:22,572 --> 00:23:26,542 And then we went into rehearsal for The Tempest. 518 00:23:26,643 --> 00:23:28,544 They had offered me Caliban. 519 00:23:28,645 --> 00:23:33,816 We had a read through, and I pulled Jonathan aside, 520 00:23:33,917 --> 00:23:37,186 I said, "Jonathan, you want to play Caliban?" 521 00:23:37,287 --> 00:23:39,589 He just lit up. He said, "Yeah!" 522 00:23:39,689 --> 00:23:42,425 And so I told the head of the theater, 523 00:23:42,525 --> 00:23:43,726 Craig Knoll at the time, 524 00:23:43,826 --> 00:23:46,930 I said, you know, "I don't want to do Caliban, 525 00:23:47,030 --> 00:23:50,833 but I'll do Jonathan's Part, and let Jonathan do Caliban." 526 00:23:50,934 --> 00:23:53,169 So everyone was okay with that. 527 00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:57,774 - I was a young actor, want to be actor in San Diego, 528 00:23:57,874 --> 00:24:01,144 and I went to see a production of The Tempest, 529 00:24:01,244 --> 00:24:04,180 and I was taken by this character. 530 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,915 By Caliban. 531 00:24:06,015 --> 00:24:09,919 This guy was passionate, and just very theatrical, 532 00:24:10,019 --> 00:24:11,287 and you can understand him. 533 00:24:11,387 --> 00:24:13,990 And I still remember to this day the performance. 534 00:24:14,090 --> 00:24:17,026 - He had a wonderful season cuz he played Caliban, 535 00:24:17,126 --> 00:24:19,028 and he played the hell out of him. 536 00:24:19,128 --> 00:24:23,166 So then, they asked me to come back and do Iago. 537 00:24:23,266 --> 00:24:25,234 Which I definitely wanted to do, 538 00:24:25,335 --> 00:24:30,006 and I thought I'd see Jonathan there, and that's it. 539 00:24:30,106 --> 00:24:31,874 "What happened?" "Where's Jonathan?" 540 00:24:31,975 --> 00:24:36,012 They said, "Oh, he's doing this TV thing." 541 00:24:36,112 --> 00:24:38,147 I said, "Jonathan gave up Shakespeare 542 00:24:38,247 --> 00:24:40,583 to do some piece of TV?" 543 00:24:40,683 --> 00:24:42,118 "You gotta be kidding." 544 00:24:42,218 --> 00:24:45,555 And it was something called Dark Shadows. 545 00:24:45,655 --> 00:24:47,724 And then the rest is history. 546 00:24:49,292 --> 00:24:53,029 - The plan was to cast a guy that we were going to kill off 547 00:24:53,129 --> 00:24:55,598 in a very short period of time, 548 00:24:55,698 --> 00:24:58,134 but just try and make it as scary as possible. 549 00:24:58,234 --> 00:25:01,838 - And I had just arrived home from a national tour 550 00:25:01,938 --> 00:25:04,073 of Hostile Witness with Ray Moran. 551 00:25:04,173 --> 00:25:06,609 I hadn't even dropped my bags when the phone rang, 552 00:25:06,709 --> 00:25:10,380 and my agent said, "They're looking for a vampire 553 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,282 for a soap opera called Dark Shadows." 554 00:25:13,383 --> 00:25:16,352 And I thought, "Well that's one for the books." 555 00:25:16,452 --> 00:25:19,689 We'll go and read for it and see what happens. 556 00:25:19,789 --> 00:25:22,925 - I was going to London and I left it up to my people 557 00:25:23,026 --> 00:25:27,497 to send me pictures of actors that came in to read 558 00:25:27,597 --> 00:25:30,700 for the character of Barnabas. 559 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,268 And there was one photograph. 560 00:25:32,368 --> 00:25:37,273 There was a guy on a stage, he was wearing a cape. 561 00:25:37,373 --> 00:25:38,708 And so [laughing] even though 562 00:25:38,808 --> 00:25:41,044 I could barely see what he looked like, 563 00:25:41,144 --> 00:25:43,112 I called my casting guy, 564 00:25:43,212 --> 00:25:44,647 a guy by the name of Allen Shane, 565 00:25:44,747 --> 00:25:46,482 and I said, "Who is this guy?" 566 00:25:46,582 --> 00:25:48,718 And he said, "His name is Jonathan Frid, 567 00:25:48,818 --> 00:25:51,187 he's a very fine Shakespearean actor." 568 00:25:51,287 --> 00:25:52,822 "He's a Canadian." 569 00:25:52,922 --> 00:25:54,023 And I said, "He can really act, right?" 570 00:25:54,123 --> 00:25:55,725 And he says, "Oh, yes. He's wonderful." 571 00:25:55,825 --> 00:25:58,061 And I said, "Alright, cast him." 572 00:25:58,161 --> 00:26:03,666 - And one day, this coffin was opened 573 00:26:03,766 --> 00:26:05,401 by Willie Loomis, 574 00:26:05,501 --> 00:26:08,771 who turned into a grave robber, 575 00:26:09,272 --> 00:26:12,442 and he found the secret tomb quite by accident. 576 00:26:12,542 --> 00:26:15,078 He was fascinated by the fact that he saw this coffin 577 00:26:15,178 --> 00:26:16,546 with chains around it. 578 00:26:16,646 --> 00:26:19,415 When he opened the coffin, a hand lunged out, 579 00:26:19,515 --> 00:26:21,484 and got him by the throat. 580 00:26:21,584 --> 00:26:24,220 A day or two later, I made my first real appearance. 581 00:26:27,757 --> 00:26:30,893 - This is no way to great a relative. 582 00:26:30,993 --> 00:26:32,595 Welcome to Collinwood. 583 00:26:32,929 --> 00:26:34,297 - Thank you, cousin. 584 00:26:34,397 --> 00:26:37,033 [eerie music] ♪♪ 585 00:26:41,938 --> 00:26:44,574 - And when we put the vampire on, 586 00:26:44,674 --> 00:26:45,541 forget it. 587 00:26:45,641 --> 00:26:49,679 I mean, the ratings went through the roof. 588 00:26:49,779 --> 00:26:52,315 I have never seen anything like this in my life. 589 00:26:52,415 --> 00:26:56,352 - What brought the audience was Jonathan Frid, 590 00:26:56,452 --> 00:26:58,454 who played the vampire Barnabas. 591 00:26:58,554 --> 00:27:02,592 He chose to play him not like a monster, 592 00:27:02,692 --> 00:27:04,827 but like a romantic hero 593 00:27:04,927 --> 00:27:08,631 who has been cursed to have to be someone 594 00:27:08,731 --> 00:27:11,601 who drinks blood to stay alive. 595 00:27:11,701 --> 00:27:16,005 He was always tortured when he had to look for a victim. 596 00:27:16,105 --> 00:27:21,711 You go through the throws of just heart wrenching desolation. 597 00:27:21,811 --> 00:27:23,946 - Well then he became a tragic figure. 598 00:27:24,046 --> 00:27:25,681 And then the women. He-- 599 00:27:25,781 --> 00:27:28,317 It just got crazier and crazier. 600 00:27:28,417 --> 00:27:31,587 We had to put on special people to process the mail 601 00:27:31,687 --> 00:27:34,257 that used to come in gigantic truck loads. 602 00:27:34,357 --> 00:27:36,559 - Meanwhile, I wasn't at all satisfied 603 00:27:36,659 --> 00:27:37,827 with what I was doing on the show. 604 00:27:37,927 --> 00:27:41,264 I was very nervous at first, but... 605 00:27:41,364 --> 00:27:43,332 ...somehow that played into the roll. 606 00:27:44,233 --> 00:27:46,669 [eerie music] ♪♪ 607 00:27:51,707 --> 00:27:53,809 I was a Collins. 608 00:27:53,910 --> 00:27:55,811 Why didn't you protect me? 609 00:27:56,846 --> 00:27:59,081 Where were you when I was turned into something 610 00:27:59,182 --> 00:28:01,651 that even my own father loathed. 611 00:28:03,152 --> 00:28:07,456 If his ghost is here with yours, tell him I've come home. 612 00:28:07,557 --> 00:28:11,027 I claim this house as mine. 613 00:28:11,127 --> 00:28:14,664 And whatever power you or he may have is ended. 614 00:28:15,531 --> 00:28:18,701 I'm free now and alive. 615 00:28:18,801 --> 00:28:21,771 Chains with which he bound me are broken, 616 00:28:22,371 --> 00:28:26,642 and I've returned to live the life I never had. 617 00:28:32,582 --> 00:28:35,818 Whatever that may turn out to be. 618 00:28:36,686 --> 00:28:39,021 [eerie music] ♪♪ 619 00:28:39,121 --> 00:28:41,357 Then, when we went back into the past, 620 00:28:41,457 --> 00:28:44,527 I played my pre-vampire days when I was a hero. 621 00:28:44,627 --> 00:28:45,895 A good guy. 622 00:28:46,696 --> 00:28:48,631 - Is the price too high? 623 00:28:53,769 --> 00:28:56,706 - No price is too high for Sara's life. 624 00:28:57,340 --> 00:29:02,144 - Then, if she lives you will marry me. 625 00:29:02,245 --> 00:29:03,546 You will make me your wife. 626 00:29:03,646 --> 00:29:05,815 - I told you, I'd do anything for you 627 00:29:05,915 --> 00:29:07,950 as long as you cure Sara. 628 00:29:08,050 --> 00:29:13,122 I've had many, many situations, and many emotions, 629 00:29:13,222 --> 00:29:16,425 and many moods, and many compulsions to play. 630 00:29:16,525 --> 00:29:19,195 - I'm right where I very much want to be, 631 00:29:19,295 --> 00:29:21,030 in your arms. 632 00:29:21,163 --> 00:29:23,566 - I love you, Josette. - And I love you, 633 00:29:23,666 --> 00:29:24,934 very much. 634 00:29:26,769 --> 00:29:29,238 - What we felt for each other, we could not fight. 635 00:29:29,705 --> 00:29:31,274 - Then you will fight me. 636 00:29:33,175 --> 00:29:34,110 - No. 637 00:29:36,245 --> 00:29:37,446 - No! 638 00:29:38,748 --> 00:29:40,016 - You have your choice of weapon. 639 00:29:40,116 --> 00:29:41,183 - You will not fight. 640 00:29:41,284 --> 00:29:46,922 - The course has made you one of the living dead. 641 00:29:47,023 --> 00:29:50,192 - Then according to the curse, you must die! 642 00:29:50,293 --> 00:29:51,560 - Barnabas, please! 643 00:29:51,661 --> 00:29:54,196 - Yes, my dear, Angelique. - No! No! 644 00:29:54,297 --> 00:29:57,900 - All your powers of witchcraft will not save you now. 645 00:30:00,536 --> 00:30:01,871 Sara, no. 646 00:30:06,709 --> 00:30:08,210 No. 647 00:30:08,778 --> 00:30:10,513 I mean, I played everything. 648 00:30:10,613 --> 00:30:12,882 In this one roll. I've played a dozen rolls. 649 00:30:12,982 --> 00:30:14,550 I mean, it's been a marvelous thing, 650 00:30:14,650 --> 00:30:17,153 because he has so many facets to it. 651 00:30:17,353 --> 00:30:19,455 - Jonathan Frid had the kind of personality 652 00:30:19,555 --> 00:30:21,657 that you don't find in actors, 653 00:30:21,757 --> 00:30:26,395 and that is he was concerned with the other person. 654 00:30:26,495 --> 00:30:30,833 Actors out of necessity are concerned about themselves. 655 00:30:30,933 --> 00:30:33,235 You know, they have to be. 656 00:30:33,336 --> 00:30:35,705 But when you meet someone like Jonathan, 657 00:30:35,805 --> 00:30:38,374 who's just good. 658 00:30:38,474 --> 00:30:41,310 Which is a terrible thing to say about a vampire, [laughing] 659 00:30:41,410 --> 00:30:42,912 but he was. 660 00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:44,847 It's a pleasure. 661 00:30:44,947 --> 00:30:48,751 - You are under my influence. You cannot resist me. 662 00:30:48,851 --> 00:30:50,853 Do you understand? 663 00:30:50,953 --> 00:30:52,555 - I understand. 664 00:30:53,255 --> 00:30:56,058 - And you will never tell anyone about me. 665 00:30:56,158 --> 00:30:58,160 - I will tell no one. 666 00:30:58,260 --> 00:31:00,629 I will never fail you. 667 00:31:00,730 --> 00:31:01,997 Never. 668 00:31:02,098 --> 00:31:06,035 - I think a decade went by and I suddenly realized, 669 00:31:06,135 --> 00:31:09,772 John Frid, Dark Shadows, 670 00:31:09,872 --> 00:31:14,143 he's the king vampire of the show. 671 00:31:14,243 --> 00:31:16,445 Somebody said, "Wouldn't you have John on your show?' 672 00:31:16,545 --> 00:31:19,382 That was my morning show, and I was fairly new to it all. 673 00:31:19,482 --> 00:31:20,783 He came on the show, 674 00:31:20,883 --> 00:31:23,919 and I was looking forward to seeing him again, 675 00:31:24,019 --> 00:31:26,722 but I was out there, in front of the audience, 676 00:31:26,822 --> 00:31:29,392 and he came on with a surprise. 677 00:31:29,492 --> 00:31:34,764 He was fully dressed as Barnabas Collins the vampire, 678 00:31:34,864 --> 00:31:37,833 And his fans went crazy. 679 00:31:37,933 --> 00:31:41,570 Jonathan, I think you've created a monster. 680 00:31:41,670 --> 00:31:43,472 This is Jonathan Frid. 681 00:31:43,572 --> 00:31:45,007 I know you don't want to believe that, 682 00:31:45,107 --> 00:31:46,809 because you want to think it's Barnabas. 683 00:31:46,909 --> 00:31:48,878 Jonathan, welcome. - Thank you, Dick. 684 00:31:48,978 --> 00:31:52,281 - What's the latest development now in Barnabas' life? 685 00:31:52,381 --> 00:31:54,950 - Well... - I know you can speak for him. 686 00:31:55,050 --> 00:31:59,088 - Well all I know at this point really, I'm not a vampire. 687 00:31:59,188 --> 00:32:00,823 - It could be temporary though, couldn't it? 688 00:32:00,923 --> 00:32:03,225 I mean, the spell isn't necessarily, totally-- 689 00:32:03,325 --> 00:32:06,562 - Well you see, it all depends on the monster Adam. 690 00:32:06,662 --> 00:32:11,867 As long as he lives, I will be alive. 691 00:32:11,967 --> 00:32:13,602 Somehow or another, don't ask me why, 692 00:32:13,702 --> 00:32:17,306 or how it happens, but some of my life force 693 00:32:17,406 --> 00:32:22,011 is in him, and I think this show 694 00:32:22,111 --> 00:32:25,281 has more medical quackery than any other soap opera. 695 00:32:25,381 --> 00:32:26,949 [audience laughs] 696 00:32:27,616 --> 00:32:29,885 - The first roll I played on Dark Shadows, 697 00:32:29,985 --> 00:32:31,454 I played three different characters, 698 00:32:31,554 --> 00:32:34,690 I played Eve, the most evil lady who ever lived, 699 00:32:34,790 --> 00:32:38,093 and I was created on the operating table by Barnabas, 700 00:32:38,194 --> 00:32:39,662 and Doctor Hoffman. 701 00:32:39,762 --> 00:32:43,199 And the first thing I realized, when I worked with them, 702 00:32:43,299 --> 00:32:45,935 and I was silent, because I was not yet alive, 703 00:32:46,035 --> 00:32:47,603 but I could see them, 704 00:32:47,703 --> 00:32:51,373 was that I was with really talented people. 705 00:32:51,474 --> 00:32:54,009 These were really great actors. 706 00:32:54,109 --> 00:32:55,544 The second thing was, 707 00:32:55,644 --> 00:32:57,947 I noticed Jonathan's cheek bones. 708 00:32:58,047 --> 00:33:00,082 I loved them. They were so high. 709 00:33:00,182 --> 00:33:02,184 I'd never seen cheek bones so high. 710 00:33:02,284 --> 00:33:04,186 And then the third thing, 711 00:33:04,286 --> 00:33:06,722 which was the best part of Jonathan Frid, 712 00:33:06,822 --> 00:33:07,823 the voice. 713 00:33:07,923 --> 00:33:11,727 He had a marvelous voice, and it was fitting. 714 00:33:11,827 --> 00:33:13,529 He was a Shakespearean actor. 715 00:33:13,629 --> 00:33:15,664 - I used my background in Shakespeare. 716 00:33:15,764 --> 00:33:18,167 You know, I've played Macbeth, played Richard III, 717 00:33:18,267 --> 00:33:21,370 who indeed has a conscious himself at the end, 718 00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:24,006 and all these things fed into Barnabas. 719 00:33:24,106 --> 00:33:26,842 Barnabas turned out to be really a very rich, 720 00:33:26,942 --> 00:33:28,644 and satisfying experience. 721 00:33:28,744 --> 00:33:31,380 The only thing I felt frustrated about doing it 722 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,382 was the format of soap opera in those days. 723 00:33:33,482 --> 00:33:35,885 When you did a show every day without stopping. 724 00:33:35,985 --> 00:33:37,219 There were no retakes. 725 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:39,788 - You need ice water in your veins to do a soap opera, 726 00:33:39,889 --> 00:33:41,557 because you have so little rehearsal. 727 00:33:41,657 --> 00:33:44,493 - I mean, I could learn a script just by reading through it. 728 00:33:44,593 --> 00:33:46,061 And I'd go... 729 00:33:46,161 --> 00:33:47,496 And I knew it. 730 00:33:47,596 --> 00:33:50,299 Some of the veteran actors had more difficulty. 731 00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:53,903 - It was a tough going for me for a long while, 732 00:33:54,003 --> 00:33:57,339 because anything I'd done before that was on the stage, 733 00:33:57,439 --> 00:33:59,742 you have lots of time to learn plays. 734 00:33:59,842 --> 00:34:03,546 And beginning way back when I was a kind in school, 735 00:34:03,646 --> 00:34:06,549 but some of those kids in school where very smart. 736 00:34:06,649 --> 00:34:09,485 They'd know there lines in a week or two weeks, 737 00:34:09,585 --> 00:34:10,686 before I knew mine. 738 00:34:10,786 --> 00:34:13,022 I had a very definite problem with it. 739 00:34:13,122 --> 00:34:15,257 I remember Joan Bennet, that she had trouble 740 00:34:15,357 --> 00:34:16,425 with lines too, 741 00:34:16,525 --> 00:34:20,262 because she was used to having six months instead of a week 742 00:34:20,362 --> 00:34:23,065 to learn that amount of dialog. 743 00:34:23,165 --> 00:34:28,203 I was always looking for someone to help me with my lines, 744 00:34:28,304 --> 00:34:29,838 and she was doing the same thing. 745 00:34:29,939 --> 00:34:31,674 - When we got into the supernatural 746 00:34:31,774 --> 00:34:34,176 and when back into the various periods, 747 00:34:34,276 --> 00:34:37,012 the technical people had a field day. 748 00:34:37,112 --> 00:34:39,882 It was like making a MGM movie every day. 749 00:34:39,982 --> 00:34:42,384 And the only drawback about that was, 750 00:34:42,484 --> 00:34:46,589 that very often we actors felt that we were being slighted 751 00:34:46,689 --> 00:34:47,990 with rehearsal time. 752 00:34:48,090 --> 00:34:53,395 The technical aspect got first priority. 753 00:34:53,495 --> 00:34:57,066 - Oh, we had a camera blocking around 10 o'clock, 754 00:34:57,166 --> 00:34:58,634 and that was after doing the blocking 755 00:34:58,734 --> 00:35:00,135 up in the rehearsal room. 756 00:35:00,235 --> 00:35:02,538 And then we had what we call a "stumble through", 757 00:35:02,638 --> 00:35:05,507 and then we had a dress rehearsal. 758 00:35:05,608 --> 00:35:08,911 - Jonathan would finish a long, long endless speech, 759 00:35:09,011 --> 00:35:10,946 you know, dress rehearsal, and then he would say, 760 00:35:11,046 --> 00:35:14,350 "Or words to that effect." [laughing] 761 00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:16,952 I mean, I knew exactly what he meant. 762 00:35:17,052 --> 00:35:19,855 - So I started off, I was just a nervous wreck, 763 00:35:19,955 --> 00:35:23,726 but I finally got into the rhythm of doing this. 764 00:35:23,826 --> 00:35:27,463 And I was looking at scenes, and it's amazing how 765 00:35:27,563 --> 00:35:29,498 cool I was later on. 766 00:35:29,598 --> 00:35:33,068 I was able to manage those scenes. 767 00:35:33,168 --> 00:35:36,538 - There was never a time, never. 768 00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:41,410 He never made light of what he was going to do. 769 00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:43,879 - Played it completely for real, 770 00:35:43,979 --> 00:35:47,716 and invested in every single moment. 771 00:35:47,816 --> 00:35:50,686 A complete sense of believability, 772 00:35:50,786 --> 00:35:54,089 and we did not camp it up at all. 773 00:35:54,456 --> 00:35:57,459 - You must leave Collinwood tonight. 774 00:35:57,559 --> 00:35:58,994 Please. 775 00:35:59,094 --> 00:36:00,796 You've got to leave Collinwood before it's too late. 776 00:36:00,896 --> 00:36:03,065 Before you get caught. Before... 777 00:36:03,165 --> 00:36:05,868 Before something happens to you. 778 00:36:05,968 --> 00:36:07,770 - No, Quentin, 779 00:36:07,870 --> 00:36:10,773 nothing will make me leave Collinwood now. 780 00:36:11,907 --> 00:36:13,609 Nothing. 781 00:36:21,884 --> 00:36:25,354 You're very kind to worry about me, Quentin. 782 00:36:25,454 --> 00:36:26,955 Well don't. 783 00:36:27,956 --> 00:36:30,359 I'll take care of myself. 784 00:36:33,062 --> 00:36:35,831 - He approached that as if he was doing King Lear. 785 00:36:37,299 --> 00:36:41,637 And that set the tone, I think, 786 00:36:42,071 --> 00:36:43,806 for the company as a whole. 787 00:36:51,647 --> 00:36:54,149 [eerie music] ♪♪ 788 00:37:14,236 --> 00:37:15,471 - [grunting] [thud] 789 00:37:15,571 --> 00:37:17,406 - [groaning] 790 00:37:17,973 --> 00:37:20,576 [screaming in agony] 791 00:37:22,244 --> 00:37:25,047 [dramatic music] ♪♪ 792 00:37:30,219 --> 00:37:31,587 - [V/O] While some viewers cried, 793 00:37:31,687 --> 00:37:34,289 and others rushed to call ABC TV, 794 00:37:34,389 --> 00:37:36,492 Jonathan was spending his four week hiatus 795 00:37:36,592 --> 00:37:38,293 Playing the roll of Tony Wendice 796 00:37:38,393 --> 00:37:40,996 in the crime mystery play Dial M for Murder. 797 00:37:41,096 --> 00:37:43,632 The production ran for two weeks to sold out crowds 798 00:37:43,732 --> 00:37:45,367 at The Little Theater On The Square 799 00:37:45,467 --> 00:37:46,869 in Sullivan, Illinois. 800 00:37:46,969 --> 00:37:49,938 - He came back and he did say to me, 801 00:37:50,038 --> 00:37:53,609 "Thank you for carrying the load here while I was gone." 802 00:37:53,709 --> 00:37:54,576 [laughing] 803 00:37:54,676 --> 00:37:58,046 But of course I was, I was delighted 804 00:37:58,147 --> 00:38:00,315 to be able to do that. 805 00:38:01,316 --> 00:38:03,418 [coffin creaking] 806 00:38:09,858 --> 00:38:12,161 [ominous music] ♪♪ 807 00:38:22,237 --> 00:38:23,972 - It's him. 808 00:38:25,107 --> 00:38:27,810 - Oh God, what's going on here? 809 00:38:28,977 --> 00:38:30,512 What's going on?! 810 00:38:34,516 --> 00:38:36,251 - We welcome to our microphones 811 00:38:36,351 --> 00:38:38,320 Jonathan Frid, ladies and gentlemen. 812 00:38:38,420 --> 00:38:39,888 Have you worked with Olivier? - No. 813 00:38:39,988 --> 00:38:41,790 I wish I had, but no, I haven't. 814 00:38:41,890 --> 00:38:45,160 I mean, he has been my idol all my life. 815 00:38:45,260 --> 00:38:47,629 - What was it like to work with Kate Hepburn? 816 00:38:47,729 --> 00:38:49,331 - I've worked with many stars, 817 00:38:49,431 --> 00:38:51,366 but Hepburn stands out, of course. 818 00:38:51,466 --> 00:38:54,469 She's fabulous off-stage and on-stage. 819 00:38:54,570 --> 00:38:57,105 And I was like any other fan of anybody else. 820 00:38:57,206 --> 00:38:58,574 I mean, I know what a fan feels like 821 00:38:58,674 --> 00:39:00,475 because I had been a fan myself. 822 00:39:00,576 --> 00:39:04,746 - One day I remember going out the front door of the studio, 823 00:39:04,847 --> 00:39:06,615 and there was some school kids there. 824 00:39:06,715 --> 00:39:09,117 A week later it was double the size, 825 00:39:09,218 --> 00:39:10,686 and then quadruple the size, 826 00:39:10,786 --> 00:39:13,989 and suddenly we had a whole street full of kids 827 00:39:14,089 --> 00:39:17,192 who had come to the studio after school to see us. 828 00:39:17,292 --> 00:39:20,429 - So I got to go to the studio, 829 00:39:20,529 --> 00:39:26,268 and on April 17, 1969, I got to meet him, 830 00:39:26,368 --> 00:39:30,839 and my little red scrap book was the catalyst, 831 00:39:30,939 --> 00:39:34,710 because he was fascinated that I had all these magazine articles, 832 00:39:34,810 --> 00:39:36,845 and he wanted to see it. 833 00:39:36,945 --> 00:39:38,547 - I like to say that I am a first generation 834 00:39:38,647 --> 00:39:39,715 Dark Shadows fan, 835 00:39:39,815 --> 00:39:42,417 having discovered it in it's initial run, 836 00:39:42,517 --> 00:39:45,454 and becoming completely obsessed with the show 837 00:39:45,554 --> 00:39:47,222 as a fourth grader. 838 00:39:47,322 --> 00:39:48,924 - It was biggest with kids. 839 00:39:49,024 --> 00:39:51,760 I remember that at one point we moved the show 840 00:39:51,860 --> 00:39:53,662 from 4 o'clock to 3:30. 841 00:39:53,762 --> 00:39:56,265 We got reams of mail saying, "No, no. 842 00:39:56,365 --> 00:40:00,802 My kid can't get home from school to watch it." 843 00:40:00,903 --> 00:40:02,738 And we went back to 4 o'clock. 844 00:40:02,838 --> 00:40:10,812 - My fan loyalty was definitely divided between 845 00:40:10,913 --> 00:40:13,115 Jonathan Frid as Barnabas. 846 00:40:13,215 --> 00:40:17,886 He carried so much tragedy with that character, 847 00:40:17,986 --> 00:40:20,522 and history, and there were so many layers. 848 00:40:20,622 --> 00:40:24,393 And even as a kid, I was just riveted by that. 849 00:40:24,493 --> 00:40:28,230 My other favorite character is the inevitable Grayson Hall 850 00:40:28,330 --> 00:40:29,731 as Doctor Julia Hoffman. 851 00:40:29,831 --> 00:40:34,836 And the two of them together, as the kind of paranormal 852 00:40:34,937 --> 00:40:36,905 ghost busters that they were, 853 00:40:37,005 --> 00:40:38,874 Working together, and time traveling, 854 00:40:38,974 --> 00:40:40,208 and all the adventures that they had. 855 00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:43,812 With the unrequited love angle, I was just completely hooked. 856 00:40:43,912 --> 00:40:46,248 - She won't always be angry, Barnabas, 857 00:40:46,348 --> 00:40:48,884 if you listen to her, 858 00:40:48,984 --> 00:40:53,188 if you don't want what you shouldn't. 859 00:40:53,288 --> 00:40:55,190 - And what is that? 860 00:40:56,992 --> 00:41:00,462 - You think I'm jealous of Vicky, don't you? 861 00:41:00,562 --> 00:41:02,931 Well I'm not. Not at all. 862 00:41:03,832 --> 00:41:06,401 - Jonathan would ask Valerie and I to do 863 00:41:06,501 --> 00:41:08,537 a variety of different things. 864 00:41:08,637 --> 00:41:11,239 We'd go to Grand Central and we would pick out 865 00:41:11,340 --> 00:41:13,809 all the magazines that came out that week, 866 00:41:13,909 --> 00:41:15,243 so he could look at them, 867 00:41:15,344 --> 00:41:17,846 and see what they wrote about him. 868 00:41:17,946 --> 00:41:20,515 - Is your fan mail still unusual? 869 00:41:20,615 --> 00:41:21,984 - Yes, some of it. 870 00:41:22,084 --> 00:41:24,286 Uh, as a matter of fact, I've been very bad 871 00:41:24,386 --> 00:41:25,454 about answering it lately, 872 00:41:25,554 --> 00:41:29,391 so I got a little club together about two weekends ago, 873 00:41:29,491 --> 00:41:31,960 in a studio, and we took over the rehearsal hall 874 00:41:32,060 --> 00:41:34,663 during the weekend, and it was like the post office 875 00:41:34,763 --> 00:41:36,031 during Christmas time. 876 00:41:36,431 --> 00:41:40,469 - And when we walked into that rehearsal hall, 877 00:41:40,569 --> 00:41:42,604 You couldn't even believe what you saw. 878 00:41:42,704 --> 00:41:45,407 There were boxes A to Z, 879 00:41:45,507 --> 00:41:48,477 and then mail bags that were piled high 880 00:41:48,577 --> 00:41:50,746 about five feet in the air. 881 00:41:50,846 --> 00:41:54,816 We never thought that we would get through this mail, ever. 882 00:41:55,384 --> 00:41:58,320 - Jonathan, someone handed me the Grand Rapids Times. 883 00:41:58,420 --> 00:42:00,022 The headline is, "TV Vampire Causes 884 00:42:00,122 --> 00:42:01,423 Grand Rapids Airport Riot." 885 00:42:01,523 --> 00:42:03,225 What-- What have you done? 886 00:42:03,325 --> 00:42:05,827 [audience laughter] 887 00:42:05,927 --> 00:42:10,165 - I took a ten city tour in five days. 888 00:42:10,265 --> 00:42:11,466 Which was kind of rough going. 889 00:42:11,566 --> 00:42:14,269 But the thing about it was, no one really expected 890 00:42:14,369 --> 00:42:16,705 a turnout that we would get in all these airports, 891 00:42:16,805 --> 00:42:20,242 and shopping centers, and things like that. 892 00:42:20,342 --> 00:42:24,179 So there was no kind of organized control of crowds. 893 00:42:24,279 --> 00:42:27,182 We were late getting into Grand Rapids, 894 00:42:27,282 --> 00:42:31,119 and they had a crowd where our plane landed, 895 00:42:31,219 --> 00:42:35,757 and everything got so out of hand that we got kinda nervous. 896 00:42:35,857 --> 00:42:37,993 There was so much uncontrolled chaos, 897 00:42:38,093 --> 00:42:40,796 and so we got the hearse. 898 00:42:40,896 --> 00:42:42,464 My line was getting on top of this hearse. 899 00:42:42,564 --> 00:42:45,567 I was rather... if you pardon the expression, mortified. 900 00:42:45,667 --> 00:42:48,170 [audience laughs] 901 00:42:48,270 --> 00:42:50,172 And, uh... 902 00:42:50,272 --> 00:42:54,810 So anyway, instead of circling around in front of these 903 00:42:54,910 --> 00:42:56,778 thousands of teenagers and so forth, 904 00:42:56,878 --> 00:42:58,613 and a regular commercial airliner 905 00:42:58,713 --> 00:42:59,781 was unloading at that point, 906 00:42:59,881 --> 00:43:02,517 and I was trying to think of their point of view. 907 00:43:02,617 --> 00:43:04,486 Here they were, these thousands of kids, 908 00:43:04,586 --> 00:43:07,089 and this idiot on top of this hearse, with fangs. 909 00:43:07,189 --> 00:43:08,657 [audience laughs] 910 00:43:08,757 --> 00:43:11,159 And what was going on, you know? 911 00:43:11,259 --> 00:43:13,095 What has happened to America? 912 00:43:13,795 --> 00:43:17,499 - And they asked us to come in to this studio, 913 00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:20,001 and record an album. 914 00:43:20,102 --> 00:43:23,205 It was Bob Cobert's music. 915 00:43:23,305 --> 00:43:24,606 - We went over to the studio, 916 00:43:24,706 --> 00:43:25,974 there was never more than two takes. 917 00:43:26,074 --> 00:43:27,476 Most were down to one take. 918 00:43:27,576 --> 00:43:28,743 [eerie music] ♪♪ 919 00:43:28,844 --> 00:43:30,612 Midnight, 920 00:43:30,712 --> 00:43:34,449 a hush falls through the melancholy halls of Collinwood. 921 00:43:37,486 --> 00:43:41,823 A solemn moon cast dark shadows over the placid stillness 922 00:43:41,923 --> 00:43:43,992 of the old mansion. 923 00:43:46,161 --> 00:43:48,730 - And the album went on to be a big seller. 924 00:43:48,830 --> 00:43:49,898 It was a hit. 925 00:43:49,998 --> 00:43:52,100 - [V/O] Jonathan was invited by Trisha Nixon 926 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,769 to be the special guest at the White House Halloween Party 927 00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:58,974 for local underprivileged children on Halloween in 1969. 928 00:43:59,274 --> 00:44:02,611 Jonathan always made himself available to support charities, 929 00:44:02,711 --> 00:44:05,180 including the United Cerebral Palsy telethon 930 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,616 in Oklahoma City, Birmingham, Alabama, 931 00:44:07,716 --> 00:44:09,584 and Monroe, Louisiana. 932 00:44:09,684 --> 00:44:11,820 He also appeared on the Jerry Lewis Labor Day 933 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,955 Muscular Dystrophy Telethon. 934 00:44:14,055 --> 00:44:16,858 For Jonathan, it was always about helping the children, 935 00:44:16,958 --> 00:44:18,660 and making them smile. 936 00:44:19,327 --> 00:44:21,963 - When you went to the West Coast, he was at Marine Land, 937 00:44:22,063 --> 00:44:25,834 and appeared with all these different animals. 938 00:44:25,934 --> 00:44:28,803 I don't know why a vampire would be appearing with animals, 939 00:44:28,904 --> 00:44:29,871 but they did that. 940 00:44:29,971 --> 00:44:32,340 And then the pièce de résistance 941 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,243 was him crowning Miss American Vampire 942 00:44:35,343 --> 00:44:37,479 at Palisades Amusement Park. 943 00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:41,583 That was the most hilarious thing you ever saw. 944 00:44:41,683 --> 00:44:44,352 He was there-- It must have been 100 degrees out, 945 00:44:44,452 --> 00:44:46,488 and he's wearing a suit, 946 00:44:46,588 --> 00:44:51,793 and he has to crown this girl that's dressed like Elvira. 947 00:44:51,893 --> 00:44:53,428 That's what she looked like. 948 00:44:54,095 --> 00:44:56,565 - I decided I would try and make a Dark Shadows movie. 949 00:44:56,665 --> 00:44:58,133 I mean, no one's ever done that before. 950 00:44:58,233 --> 00:44:59,467 Lets see if that's gonna work. 951 00:44:59,568 --> 00:45:03,638 Sam Hall and Gordon Russell and myself sat down, 952 00:45:03,738 --> 00:45:05,740 and worked out an outline 953 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,842 where we could do whatever we wanted to do 954 00:45:07,943 --> 00:45:09,744 We did have to worry about perpetuating him, 955 00:45:09,844 --> 00:45:12,013 we could make him a real marauder, 956 00:45:12,113 --> 00:45:13,582 because we could kill him. 957 00:45:13,682 --> 00:45:15,817 - The movie, I thought were too violent, 958 00:45:15,917 --> 00:45:18,386 and did have the charm or the never-never world 959 00:45:18,486 --> 00:45:20,322 of the television show. 960 00:45:20,422 --> 00:45:24,626 - Julia, do you believe in the existence of vampires? 961 00:45:24,726 --> 00:45:26,127 - You're not really serious. 962 00:45:26,228 --> 00:45:27,896 - But he is, Julia. 963 00:45:27,996 --> 00:45:30,098 [man yelling] 964 00:45:31,366 --> 00:45:33,902 - I command you to come to me! 965 00:45:34,002 --> 00:45:37,339 - Barnabas Collins, vampire. 966 00:45:37,439 --> 00:45:39,975 - [V/O] MGM offered Dan Curtis the opportunity 967 00:45:40,075 --> 00:45:41,843 to do a second Dark Shadows film 968 00:45:41,943 --> 00:45:44,546 following the success of House of Dark Shadows. 969 00:45:44,646 --> 00:45:46,948 However, Jonathan was not happy with the depiction 970 00:45:47,048 --> 00:45:48,750 of the character in the first film, 971 00:45:48,850 --> 00:45:50,585 and feared being type-cast. 972 00:45:50,785 --> 00:45:52,654 An insistent Curtis informed his star 973 00:45:52,754 --> 00:45:55,857 that if he had no interest in portraying Barnabas in the film, 974 00:45:55,957 --> 00:45:59,094 he no longer had to play Barnabas on television. 975 00:45:59,194 --> 00:46:00,762 In December 1970, 976 00:46:00,862 --> 00:46:03,465 Jonathan was notified that his contract would be cancelled 977 00:46:03,565 --> 00:46:05,734 at the end of the next production cycle. 978 00:46:05,834 --> 00:46:09,638 Ironically, a few weeks later, ABC cancelled the series. 979 00:46:09,738 --> 00:46:13,808 - There was an ABC executive, very well know Brandon Stoddard, 980 00:46:13,908 --> 00:46:16,845 and I remember he told me years later 981 00:46:16,945 --> 00:46:19,314 that when the show was cancelled, 982 00:46:19,414 --> 00:46:23,184 he asked the guard at ABC to find him an alternate route 983 00:46:23,285 --> 00:46:26,221 out of the building because Dark Shadows fans 984 00:46:26,321 --> 00:46:28,990 came and beseeched him to put it back on the air. 985 00:46:29,090 --> 00:46:30,992 - It's hard to describe the success of that show, 986 00:46:31,092 --> 00:46:31,660 isn't it, John? 987 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,161 - I've really never been able to figure it out 988 00:46:33,261 --> 00:46:34,362 but I'm enjoying it immensely, 989 00:46:34,462 --> 00:46:35,930 but never been able to figure it out. 990 00:46:36,031 --> 00:46:39,901 - I find it a little irritating sometimes 991 00:46:40,001 --> 00:46:42,203 when people talk about Ann Rice creating 992 00:46:42,304 --> 00:46:44,739 the vampire with a conscious. 993 00:46:44,839 --> 00:46:45,807 That is not true. 994 00:46:45,907 --> 00:46:49,177 It was definitely the combination of the writing 995 00:46:49,277 --> 00:46:51,379 of the character of Barnabas Collins, 996 00:46:51,479 --> 00:46:55,116 and Jonathan Frid's absolutely inevitable performance 997 00:46:55,216 --> 00:46:56,751 of that character. 998 00:46:56,851 --> 00:47:00,755 That-- I think that when we thing of monsters, 999 00:47:00,855 --> 00:47:02,223 we think of them as monsters. 1000 00:47:02,324 --> 00:47:04,426 That's what we're trained to think of them as, 1001 00:47:04,526 --> 00:47:08,029 but Dark Shadows had a human side to the monster. 1002 00:47:08,129 --> 00:47:11,232 You got to see what made the monster tick. 1003 00:47:11,333 --> 00:47:14,669 And it had been explored in movies before, 1004 00:47:14,769 --> 00:47:16,171 like Frankenstein and so forth, 1005 00:47:16,271 --> 00:47:19,841 but you really never got to indulge the story telling 1006 00:47:19,941 --> 00:47:24,379 the way you do in the format of an on-going daytime serial, 1007 00:47:24,479 --> 00:47:27,916 where they're telling five half hour plays a week, 1008 00:47:28,016 --> 00:47:29,050 for five years. 1009 00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:32,654 Just the way the show blended all of those elements. 1010 00:47:32,754 --> 00:47:35,557 Bring in The Turn of the Screw 1011 00:47:35,657 --> 00:47:38,360 and Wuthering Heights, and Jane Eyre. 1012 00:47:38,460 --> 00:47:40,395 The gothic romance and the gothic horror, 1013 00:47:40,495 --> 00:47:42,564 it was an incredible alchemy 1014 00:47:42,664 --> 00:47:46,768 that has not been duplicate since, as far as I concerned. 1015 00:47:46,868 --> 00:47:53,141 - They brought a very gothic, romantic quality to this roll. 1016 00:47:53,241 --> 00:47:56,711 That I guess, will live forever. 1017 00:47:56,811 --> 00:47:58,880 - How can I destroy you? 1018 00:48:00,415 --> 00:48:02,851 - I am destroyed already. 1019 00:48:02,951 --> 00:48:04,919 What you will do is save me. 1020 00:48:05,019 --> 00:48:07,355 Free me from this endless torment. 1021 00:48:07,455 --> 00:48:09,290 - I can't do it. 1022 00:48:09,391 --> 00:48:10,992 - If you are my friend, - I am. 1023 00:48:11,092 --> 00:48:13,027 - Then do it. - No. 1024 00:48:13,128 --> 00:48:14,396 - Free me. 1025 00:48:15,096 --> 00:48:16,931 Give me peace, at last. 1026 00:48:17,799 --> 00:48:21,102 Let me return to those at rest. 1027 00:48:22,303 --> 00:48:25,774 Do not condemn me to wonder forever in endless agony. 1028 00:48:26,941 --> 00:48:29,444 End my torment. 1029 00:48:29,544 --> 00:48:32,747 Please, I beg you. 1030 00:48:32,847 --> 00:48:34,916 I beg you. 1031 00:48:35,016 --> 00:48:37,452 Let me hear you say the words. 1032 00:48:37,552 --> 00:48:39,487 "Yes." 1033 00:48:39,587 --> 00:48:41,189 Say the words. 1034 00:48:45,427 --> 00:48:47,729 - Yes. - Yes. 1035 00:48:49,531 --> 00:48:50,932 Yes. 1036 00:48:52,066 --> 00:48:53,334 Yes. 1037 00:48:53,435 --> 00:48:56,204 [ominous music] ♪♪ 1038 00:48:59,374 --> 00:49:01,009 - [V/O] As Dark Shadows drew to a close 1039 00:49:01,109 --> 00:49:03,478 in early spring of 1971, 1040 00:49:03,578 --> 00:49:06,514 Jonathan was ready for a new artistic adventure. 1041 00:49:06,614 --> 00:49:09,584 He found it on the stage portraying Thomas Becket 1042 00:49:09,684 --> 00:49:12,720 in TS Elliot's Murder in the Cathedral. 1043 00:49:12,821 --> 00:49:14,522 It was a sold out, limited engagement 1044 00:49:14,622 --> 00:49:16,191 at the Central Presbyterian Church 1045 00:49:16,291 --> 00:49:18,560 on Manhattan's upper East Side. 1046 00:49:18,660 --> 00:49:20,428 Jonathan was delighted that several of his 1047 00:49:20,528 --> 00:49:22,530 Dark Shadows co-stars attended the show. 1048 00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:25,300 Including Joan Bennett, and Louis Edmonds. 1049 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,269 New York critics praised his forceful, insightful, 1050 00:49:28,369 --> 00:49:30,472 and splendid performance. 1051 00:49:30,572 --> 00:49:32,740 He next took on the roll of pathological killer 1052 00:49:32,841 --> 00:49:35,109 Harry Roat Jr. in Wait Until Dark 1053 00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:37,345 at the Windmill Dinner Theater in Texas. 1054 00:49:37,745 --> 00:49:39,614 When Jonathan returned to New York City, 1055 00:49:39,714 --> 00:49:41,883 he signed a contract with a management group 1056 00:49:41,983 --> 00:49:44,319 that convinced him they could find him quality rolls 1057 00:49:44,419 --> 00:49:46,588 in prime time television, and movies. 1058 00:49:46,721 --> 00:49:49,891 - And then I did a picture in Hollywood 1059 00:49:49,991 --> 00:49:52,460 an ABC movie of the week with Shelly Winters, 1060 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,329 The Devil's Daughter. 1061 00:49:54,429 --> 00:49:57,398 And I was in Oliver Stone's very first picture. 1062 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,669 A group of friends come to this house for the weekend, 1063 00:50:03,037 --> 00:50:05,139 and three strangers appear. 1064 00:50:07,108 --> 00:50:09,944 I don't know who they are or where they come from, 1065 00:50:11,513 --> 00:50:13,081 but they're frightening. 1066 00:50:13,181 --> 00:50:15,717 - My first impression of Jonathan was, 1067 00:50:15,817 --> 00:50:20,154 "What a lucky thing he's playing my husband", 1068 00:50:20,255 --> 00:50:23,124 because he was so gentle and kind, 1069 00:50:23,224 --> 00:50:25,093 and good to work with. 1070 00:50:25,193 --> 00:50:29,964 He presented himself as a person who you knew you could trust. 1071 00:50:30,431 --> 00:50:33,001 You wouldn't let anything happen to Jason. 1072 00:50:35,937 --> 00:50:37,438 - No, darling. 1073 00:50:37,672 --> 00:50:39,007 Never. 1074 00:50:41,776 --> 00:50:45,413 - Oliver decided to have all of us stay in the house 1075 00:50:45,513 --> 00:50:46,714 that we were using. 1076 00:50:46,814 --> 00:50:49,617 - We were using our own bedrooms for the bedrooms of the movie. 1077 00:50:49,717 --> 00:50:51,719 And I got up in the morning, I was to stay in bed 1078 00:50:51,819 --> 00:50:55,123 until the cameras came in... [laughing] 1079 00:50:55,223 --> 00:50:57,959 I did that one time. Of course, we were all laughing. 1080 00:50:58,059 --> 00:51:00,161 But I hadn't-- There was no time for breakfast 1081 00:51:00,261 --> 00:51:01,596 or anything anyway so... 1082 00:51:01,696 --> 00:51:04,666 The cameras came into my bedroom and started shooting. 1083 00:51:04,766 --> 00:51:05,533 [chuckles] 1084 00:51:05,633 --> 00:51:06,734 - When we filmed at night 1085 00:51:06,834 --> 00:51:09,971 I just remember it being very cold and it was sort of weird. 1086 00:51:10,071 --> 00:51:12,273 - [V/O] You'll never run from it. 1087 00:51:12,373 --> 00:51:14,876 You can never hide from it. 1088 00:51:14,976 --> 00:51:17,345 The breath stopping panic of... 1089 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:20,715 Seizure. 1090 00:51:21,215 --> 00:51:23,718 - I think physical horror is boring. 1091 00:51:23,818 --> 00:51:25,753 It just bores me to death. 1092 00:51:25,853 --> 00:51:27,989 I don't get scared ever. I just get bored. 1093 00:51:28,089 --> 00:51:30,158 When I was a kid, I was bored of it. 1094 00:51:30,258 --> 00:51:33,261 Horror is people lying to each other. 1095 00:51:33,361 --> 00:51:34,495 This inner evil. 1096 00:51:34,596 --> 00:51:39,934 Somebody telling a lie to me is more villainous 1097 00:51:40,034 --> 00:51:41,436 than anything I can think of. 1098 00:51:41,536 --> 00:51:42,870 More horrific. 1099 00:51:42,971 --> 00:51:44,872 - [V/O] With the filming of Seizure completed. 1100 00:51:44,973 --> 00:51:46,674 Jonathan returned home to New York 1101 00:51:46,774 --> 00:51:49,177 when he received an unexpected call. 1102 00:51:49,277 --> 00:51:51,746 Dark Shadows, which had been dubbed in Spanish 1103 00:51:51,846 --> 00:51:54,616 was now a tremendous success in Latin America. 1104 00:51:54,716 --> 00:51:57,585 Jonathan was asked to do a promotional tour in Paraguay. 1105 00:51:57,685 --> 00:51:58,853 - And I said, "Well now look, 1106 00:51:58,953 --> 00:52:01,122 I will do down there just as an actor." 1107 00:52:01,222 --> 00:52:03,458 "I will not go down there, and do any Barnabas numbers." 1108 00:52:03,558 --> 00:52:05,460 Because people were always asking me to do that. 1109 00:52:06,127 --> 00:52:08,196 And he said, "It's okay." 1110 00:52:08,296 --> 00:52:12,600 He hesitated at first, "Well we won't worry about that." 1111 00:52:13,368 --> 00:52:14,969 So I went down there, 1112 00:52:15,069 --> 00:52:19,507 and I think it was sponsored by the dictator himself. 1113 00:52:19,607 --> 00:52:23,111 As a matter of fact, his wife was a great fan of it. 1114 00:52:23,211 --> 00:52:25,613 She had a reception for me and everything else 1115 00:52:25,713 --> 00:52:26,748 when I got down there. 1116 00:52:26,848 --> 00:52:29,050 It was the biggest show in Paraguay. 1117 00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:31,986 They even moved football schedules around 1118 00:52:32,086 --> 00:52:33,988 to accommodate the Dark Shadows. 1119 00:52:34,088 --> 00:52:36,090 They're absolutely crazy about it. 1120 00:52:36,190 --> 00:52:38,793 Down there it's Barrrnabas. 1121 00:52:38,893 --> 00:52:40,795 And everything was that kind of heavy, 1122 00:52:40,895 --> 00:52:43,598 kind of strong, melodramatic thing. 1123 00:52:43,698 --> 00:52:45,066 Which sometimes is a good thing. 1124 00:52:45,166 --> 00:52:47,535 [actors speaking Spanish] 1125 00:53:03,851 --> 00:53:08,122 They did it with such pizazz and strength. 1126 00:53:08,690 --> 00:53:12,126 [voice over in Spanish] - Sombras Tenebrosas. 1127 00:53:15,863 --> 00:53:19,133 The title has a grander... 1128 00:53:19,233 --> 00:53:21,736 Las Sombras Tenebrosas. 1129 00:53:21,836 --> 00:53:23,504 - [V/O] Jonathan with his interpreter Eduardo 1130 00:53:23,604 --> 00:53:25,573 attended press conferences, receptions 1131 00:53:25,673 --> 00:53:27,208 and judged a fashion show. 1132 00:53:27,308 --> 00:53:29,310 The last stop each night was a night club 1133 00:53:29,410 --> 00:53:32,413 where he found himself waiting for extended periods in the car. 1134 00:53:32,513 --> 00:53:34,148 - I'd be sitting in the car 1135 00:53:34,248 --> 00:53:36,584 waiting for them to come and get me to come in. 1136 00:53:36,684 --> 00:53:37,719 And it'd take forever. 1137 00:53:37,819 --> 00:53:39,821 And I finally got mad at them all, and I said, 1138 00:53:39,921 --> 00:53:41,355 "What's going on here?" 1139 00:53:41,456 --> 00:53:43,324 And he said that they are furious 1140 00:53:43,424 --> 00:53:46,461 that you're not here with your costume and everything. 1141 00:53:46,561 --> 00:53:48,996 Not only costume, but Barnabas wasn't here. 1142 00:53:49,097 --> 00:53:50,798 They said, "Well where's Barnabas?" 1143 00:53:50,898 --> 00:53:52,400 And they said, "Well there he is, right there." 1144 00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:53,968 "That's not Barnabas." 1145 00:53:54,836 --> 00:53:56,037 - [V/O] Whatever the objections, 1146 00:53:56,137 --> 00:53:58,573 Jonathan was invited to return to South America 1147 00:53:58,673 --> 00:54:00,241 for a press tour in Panama. 1148 00:54:00,341 --> 00:54:02,376 This time, he wore the signet ring 1149 00:54:02,477 --> 00:54:06,147 and carried the famous wolf's head cane of Barnabas Collins. 1150 00:54:06,247 --> 00:54:08,649 By the end of his second South American tour, 1151 00:54:08,750 --> 00:54:10,384 Jonathan had become very enamored 1152 00:54:10,485 --> 00:54:12,787 with the Spanish language, and wanted to learn it. 1153 00:54:12,887 --> 00:54:15,389 He came up with a plan uniquely his own. 1154 00:54:15,490 --> 00:54:18,559 - I was for a whole year in Mexico. 1155 00:54:18,659 --> 00:54:22,530 Learning the language and going to towns 1156 00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:28,302 that guaranteed me there'd be no Americans or Canadians 1157 00:54:28,402 --> 00:54:29,804 or travelers. 1158 00:54:29,904 --> 00:54:32,340 So I wanted no English, to hear any English. 1159 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:33,941 I had friends that later on said, 1160 00:54:34,041 --> 00:54:36,377 "Why didn't you tell us you were gonna be down there?" 1161 00:54:36,477 --> 00:54:38,379 "We were down there. We couldn't said hello." 1162 00:54:38,479 --> 00:54:40,848 I said, "That's precisely what I didn't want." 1163 00:54:40,948 --> 00:54:42,850 I didn't want to hear any English. 1164 00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:46,020 It's a fascinating language, and I love the sound of it. 1165 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:47,989 And I love speaking it. 1166 00:54:48,089 --> 00:54:50,024 - [V/O] By spring of 1977, 1167 00:54:50,124 --> 00:54:52,627 Jonathan, frustrated by his agencies inability 1168 00:54:52,727 --> 00:54:55,229 to obtain quality and the type of work he wanted, 1169 00:54:55,329 --> 00:54:57,431 chose not to renew his contract. 1170 00:54:57,532 --> 00:54:58,900 He was on his own. 1171 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,370 The choice most likely had a negative impact on his finances. 1172 00:55:02,470 --> 00:55:04,205 But he was firm in his convictions to pursue 1173 00:55:04,305 --> 00:55:06,841 his profession on his own artistic terms. 1174 00:55:06,941 --> 00:55:09,076 He accepted an invitation to appear on a production 1175 00:55:09,177 --> 00:55:11,179 of The Royal Family at Penn State, 1176 00:55:11,279 --> 00:55:13,414 University Park, Pennsylvania. 1177 00:55:13,514 --> 00:55:15,116 He was delighted to return to the theater 1178 00:55:15,216 --> 00:55:18,619 where in July 1965, he had played the title roll 1179 00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,955 in Shakespeare's Richard III. 1180 00:55:21,556 --> 00:55:23,724 - Well my greatest artistic success, 1181 00:55:23,825 --> 00:55:26,327 without a doubt was Richard III. 1182 00:55:26,427 --> 00:55:29,163 I didn't want to play it as the obvious villain. 1183 00:55:29,263 --> 00:55:32,700 I wanted to plumb various character traits 1184 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,404 that might not be seen in a casual reading of the script. 1185 00:55:36,504 --> 00:55:38,039 It was digging deep into the character 1186 00:55:38,139 --> 00:55:40,741 that made it so fascinating for me. 1187 00:55:40,842 --> 00:55:42,543 - [V/O] Jonathan joyfully celebrated 1188 00:55:42,643 --> 00:55:45,479 the start of a new decade with family and friends. 1189 00:55:45,580 --> 00:55:48,316 On that New Years Eve however, what he could not foresee 1190 00:55:48,416 --> 00:55:51,118 was a looming health crisis that would nearly kill him. 1191 00:55:51,586 --> 00:55:54,856 For 35 years, Jonathan was a heavy smoker. 1192 00:55:54,956 --> 00:55:58,526 As a result, in 1980 he underwent an angioplasty. 1193 00:55:58,626 --> 00:56:02,230 Then, a relatively new procedure to prevent a major heart attack. 1194 00:56:02,563 --> 00:56:05,867 Following the surgery, he quit smoking, cold turkey. 1195 00:56:05,967 --> 00:56:07,969 During his recuperation at home, 1196 00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:11,072 he began to contemplate his past and future career. 1197 00:56:11,172 --> 00:56:13,708 - Oh, Dark Shadows has certainly helped my career. 1198 00:56:13,808 --> 00:56:16,944 Its made it, uh, in a sense. 1199 00:56:17,044 --> 00:56:19,814 I had a career long before Dark Shadows, 1200 00:56:19,914 --> 00:56:21,249 but it made me a celebrity. 1201 00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:23,818 It made a "star out of me." 1202 00:56:23,918 --> 00:56:25,887 And I thought that would fade, 1203 00:56:25,987 --> 00:56:27,421 but I remember someone telling me 1204 00:56:27,521 --> 00:56:30,491 that came from the coast years ago, during Dark Shadows, 1205 00:56:30,591 --> 00:56:32,827 he said, "Your life will never be the same again." 1206 00:56:32,927 --> 00:56:34,061 I said, "Nuts." 1207 00:56:34,161 --> 00:56:37,498 "After this is over, there will be other heroes, 1208 00:56:37,598 --> 00:56:39,667 there will be other people" so forth and so on. 1209 00:56:39,767 --> 00:56:41,002 "Time moves on." 1210 00:56:41,102 --> 00:56:42,837 But he was right. 1211 00:56:42,937 --> 00:56:45,006 And for a while I did want to shake the image. 1212 00:56:45,106 --> 00:56:48,976 I mean, as much as I enjoyed it, I'm an actor and human being. 1213 00:56:49,076 --> 00:56:51,212 I love attention, who doesn't? 1214 00:56:51,312 --> 00:56:54,515 But it got to be a little much. 1215 00:56:54,615 --> 00:56:56,751 I'm a private sort of person. 1216 00:56:56,851 --> 00:56:59,353 There's some actors who love, quit honestly love 1217 00:56:59,453 --> 00:57:01,722 to go to restaurants, and go to openings, 1218 00:57:01,822 --> 00:57:03,157 and be recognized, and be seen, 1219 00:57:03,257 --> 00:57:05,026 and all power to them. 1220 00:57:05,126 --> 00:57:08,963 Its... You have to be on all the-- 24 hours a day. 1221 00:57:09,063 --> 00:57:10,598 I'm too tired. 1222 00:57:10,698 --> 00:57:12,166 Uh, I like to act, 1223 00:57:12,266 --> 00:57:14,602 and when the curtain comes down, or the cameras turn off, 1224 00:57:14,702 --> 00:57:17,238 and most actors have that situation, 1225 00:57:17,338 --> 00:57:20,574 they go out of the studio and no one cares about them, 1226 00:57:20,675 --> 00:57:22,443 even thought they've done a good job, 1227 00:57:22,543 --> 00:57:24,178 but they're not in that celebrity status. 1228 00:57:24,278 --> 00:57:26,180 They're just good actors. 1229 00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,382 Good acting and being a celebrity, 1230 00:57:28,482 --> 00:57:29,517 have nothing in common. 1231 00:57:29,617 --> 00:57:31,886 I mean, they don't go together necessarily. 1232 00:57:31,986 --> 00:57:36,190 Uh, sometimes they do. Quit a lot they don't. 1233 00:57:36,290 --> 00:57:39,460 Anyway, I want to resurrect myself as it were, 1234 00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,829 and continue a career. 1235 00:57:42,530 --> 00:57:45,032 It started off when I was finally induced to go to these 1236 00:57:45,132 --> 00:57:47,468 Dark Shadows fan conventions. 1237 00:57:47,568 --> 00:57:50,771 It was a thing called ShadowCon. Out on the West Coast. 1238 00:57:50,871 --> 00:57:54,141 And after going to one or two of them, 1239 00:57:54,241 --> 00:57:56,510 where I would simply answer questions 1240 00:57:56,610 --> 00:57:59,847 about Dark Shadows, and sign autographs, 1241 00:57:59,947 --> 00:58:01,849 I thought I would do some readings. 1242 00:58:01,949 --> 00:58:03,718 Give them something new. 1243 00:58:03,818 --> 00:58:07,221 To see me as something other than Barnabas Collins. 1244 00:58:09,290 --> 00:58:12,660 - So, Dark Shadows had a big relaunch in syndication 1245 00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,028 in 1982. 1246 00:58:14,128 --> 00:58:18,132 I was just about to start an all-boys Catholic high school, 1247 00:58:18,232 --> 00:58:19,700 that I was dreading. 1248 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,637 And in Dark Shadows I found an escape, 1249 00:58:23,738 --> 00:58:25,940 and I immediately fell in love with the show. 1250 00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,343 I became part of the fan community, joined a fan group. 1251 00:58:29,443 --> 00:58:32,713 Began contributing to a fanzine. 1252 00:58:32,813 --> 00:58:36,784 And that group decided to stage 1253 00:58:36,884 --> 00:58:40,321 the first ever East Coast convention, 1254 00:58:40,421 --> 00:58:44,058 and Jonathan became part of our planning committee. 1255 00:58:44,158 --> 00:58:46,894 - The Dark Shadows conventions started, 1256 00:58:46,994 --> 00:58:51,599 and then Jonathan always liked to do dramatic readings, 1257 00:58:51,699 --> 00:58:53,667 this is before his one-man shows, 1258 00:58:53,768 --> 00:58:56,871 and he asked me to do scenes with him. 1259 00:58:56,971 --> 00:59:00,207 And one of the most memorable was Macbeth, 1260 00:59:00,307 --> 00:59:02,143 and Lady Macbeth, of course. 1261 00:59:02,243 --> 00:59:04,945 - I met Jonathan in 1983. 1262 00:59:05,046 --> 00:59:09,617 Very quickly it became clear to him that I wanted to work. 1263 00:59:09,717 --> 00:59:13,020 And Jonathan loved people who wanted to work, 1264 00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:18,492 and were going to bring their passion and enthusiasm 1265 00:59:18,592 --> 00:59:19,760 to working with him. 1266 00:59:19,860 --> 00:59:21,495 - I did a whole show. 1267 00:59:21,595 --> 00:59:24,031 The first part was the rolls I had played in the past, 1268 00:59:24,131 --> 00:59:26,867 that might have influenced me in my playing of Barnabas. 1269 00:59:26,967 --> 00:59:31,539 And then, the second part, was material written by fans, 1270 00:59:31,639 --> 00:59:33,207 and a lot of it was very good. 1271 00:59:34,308 --> 00:59:36,444 There was a vampire named Frid, 1272 00:59:36,544 --> 00:59:39,146 [audience chuckles] 1273 00:59:39,246 --> 00:59:41,849 Went into his coffin he hid, 1274 00:59:41,949 --> 00:59:43,851 he couldn't get out and began to shout, 1275 00:59:43,951 --> 00:59:46,153 "Will someone please oil the lid." 1276 00:59:46,253 --> 00:59:47,888 [audience laughs] 1277 00:59:48,122 --> 00:59:50,191 From ghoulies and ghosties, 1278 00:59:50,291 --> 00:59:51,926 and long leggedy beasties, 1279 00:59:52,026 --> 00:59:53,761 and things that go boop in the night, 1280 00:59:53,861 --> 00:59:55,629 good Lord deliver us. 1281 00:59:55,729 --> 00:59:57,765 Thank you very much. [audience applauds] 1282 00:59:57,865 --> 00:59:59,867 - So then, not long after that, 1283 00:59:59,967 --> 01:00:02,570 they did a special on New Jersey Network, 1284 01:00:02,670 --> 01:00:04,438 where Jonathan was live in the studio, 1285 01:00:04,538 --> 01:00:07,608 and I happened to be one of the fans on the phones. 1286 01:00:07,708 --> 01:00:10,845 - Enough of Barnabas. What about you personally? 1287 01:00:10,945 --> 01:00:12,913 What about your career paths for the future? 1288 01:00:13,013 --> 01:00:13,581 Where are you headed? 1289 01:00:13,681 --> 01:00:15,583 - I'm going to develop this one-man show 1290 01:00:15,683 --> 01:00:18,619 I've been doing at Dark Shadows festivals. 1291 01:00:18,719 --> 01:00:19,753 It's called The Genesis of Evil. 1292 01:00:19,854 --> 01:00:23,624 And I'm going to take it away from emphasis on Dark Shadows, 1293 01:00:23,724 --> 01:00:26,694 and make it more universal for a universal audience. 1294 01:00:26,794 --> 01:00:29,463 - He had the energy for it. He had the material for it. 1295 01:00:29,563 --> 01:00:30,831 He had all the ideas for it. 1296 01:00:30,931 --> 01:00:33,567 There was just one element that was missing. 1297 01:00:33,667 --> 01:00:35,769 He needed someone to organize it, 1298 01:00:35,870 --> 01:00:38,372 manage it, produce it, sell it. 1299 01:00:38,472 --> 01:00:41,642 And he had no idea who this individual might be, 1300 01:00:41,742 --> 01:00:43,978 but ultimately, he found that person. 1301 01:00:44,078 --> 01:00:47,748 - I watched the special on New Jersey Network, 1302 01:00:47,848 --> 01:00:49,984 and Jonathan performed Edgar Allan Poe's 1303 01:00:50,084 --> 01:00:51,452 The Tell-Tale Heart, 1304 01:00:51,552 --> 01:00:53,721 and a soliloquy from Richard III, 1305 01:00:53,821 --> 01:00:55,322 and it was mesmerizing. 1306 01:00:55,422 --> 01:00:57,925 - I wrote Jonathan this letter... 1307 01:00:58,025 --> 01:00:59,860 This is the actual letter. 1308 01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:03,030 And so I was fifteen years old and I basically said, 1309 01:01:03,130 --> 01:01:06,800 uh, "You are a very talented performer 1310 01:01:06,901 --> 01:01:08,769 and I hope that this experience", 1311 01:01:08,869 --> 01:01:10,204 meaning the special, 1312 01:01:10,304 --> 01:01:13,674 "gets you back into some serious acting. 1313 01:01:13,774 --> 01:01:15,910 You are too good to waste." 1314 01:01:16,010 --> 01:01:17,878 - After I watched the special, 1315 01:01:17,978 --> 01:01:20,247 I decided to write Jonathan a letter. 1316 01:01:20,347 --> 01:01:22,950 - He had these two letters on his desk at the same time, 1317 01:01:23,050 --> 01:01:26,120 and he was like, "Maybe this is synchronicity." 1318 01:01:26,220 --> 01:01:31,025 On April 1st, 1985, Jonathan Frid had Mary O'Leary 1319 01:01:31,125 --> 01:01:33,060 who at that point was in the production office 1320 01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:34,061 at Guiding Light, 1321 01:01:34,161 --> 01:01:36,597 and me over to his apartment for a meeting. 1322 01:01:36,697 --> 01:01:39,567 - When Jonathan explained that he had been reading to fans 1323 01:01:39,667 --> 01:01:41,368 at Dark Shadows conventions, 1324 01:01:41,468 --> 01:01:44,438 I said, "You could do a similar style with your show." 1325 01:01:44,538 --> 01:01:45,706 "It could be readers theater." 1326 01:01:45,806 --> 01:01:47,708 And he hadn't heard that term. 1327 01:01:47,808 --> 01:01:49,610 I said, "It's what you've been doing. 1328 01:01:49,710 --> 01:01:51,178 "Take your script, stand at a podium, 1329 01:01:51,278 --> 01:01:52,279 "and tell a story. 1330 01:01:52,379 --> 01:01:55,950 "But it's with your expressions, and your voice 1331 01:01:56,050 --> 01:01:58,252 "that you create all these characters. 1332 01:01:58,352 --> 01:02:01,388 A whole world for this audience to enter into." 1333 01:02:01,488 --> 01:02:05,059 - My job was to basically troll my local library 1334 01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:08,395 after school and on weekends, 1335 01:02:08,495 --> 01:02:14,902 and find short stories, poems, pieces of verse. 1336 01:02:15,002 --> 01:02:20,474 Um, you know, anything work for the creative 1337 01:02:20,574 --> 01:02:22,076 concept of the show. 1338 01:02:22,176 --> 01:02:25,012 And I found this story called "The Cask of Amontillado." 1339 01:02:25,112 --> 01:02:26,513 Jonathan really liked it, 1340 01:02:26,614 --> 01:02:29,583 and it ended up becoming like, a signature piece. 1341 01:02:29,683 --> 01:02:32,653 It really captured what fascinated Jonathan 1342 01:02:32,753 --> 01:02:34,588 about the nature of evil. 1343 01:02:34,688 --> 01:02:36,357 Here's a guy who thinks somebody's his friend, 1344 01:02:36,457 --> 01:02:38,826 and then, spoiler alert, kills him. 1345 01:02:38,926 --> 01:02:40,861 [water dripping] 1346 01:02:40,961 --> 01:02:43,397 - It was now midnight, 1347 01:02:43,497 --> 01:02:47,034 and my task was drawing to a close. 1348 01:02:47,134 --> 01:02:51,472 I completed the eighth, the ninth, and the tenth tier. 1349 01:02:51,572 --> 01:02:55,042 I could finish the portion of the last and the eleventh; 1350 01:02:55,142 --> 01:02:58,312 there remained but a single stone to be fitted 1351 01:02:58,412 --> 01:03:00,214 and plastered in. 1352 01:03:00,314 --> 01:03:01,749 I called aloud, 1353 01:03:03,817 --> 01:03:04,952 "Fortunato." 1354 01:03:06,854 --> 01:03:08,255 No answer. 1355 01:03:08,489 --> 01:03:11,759 I hasten to make an end to my labor. 1356 01:03:11,859 --> 01:03:15,529 I forced the last stone into position, 1357 01:03:15,629 --> 01:03:17,865 I plastered it up. 1358 01:03:19,700 --> 01:03:20,834 Against the new masonry 1359 01:03:20,934 --> 01:03:24,638 I re-erected the old rampart of bones. 1360 01:03:26,740 --> 01:03:33,847 For the half of the century no mortal has disturbed them. 1361 01:03:33,947 --> 01:03:36,417 [water dripping] 1362 01:03:36,517 --> 01:03:42,356 In pace requiescat! 1363 01:03:42,456 --> 01:03:45,225 [water dripping] 1364 01:03:47,995 --> 01:03:49,096 - Jonathan from time to time 1365 01:03:49,196 --> 01:03:51,265 would invite the fans to come to his apartment, 1366 01:03:51,365 --> 01:03:54,234 where he would rehearse his one-man shows. 1367 01:03:54,335 --> 01:03:56,236 And he wanted constructive feedback 1368 01:03:56,337 --> 01:03:58,472 about what we liked and what we didn't like. 1369 01:03:58,572 --> 01:04:00,841 - And he asked, you know, "If you have pieces 1370 01:04:00,941 --> 01:04:03,077 "that you're interested in seeing me do, 1371 01:04:03,177 --> 01:04:04,945 I would be very interested." 1372 01:04:05,045 --> 01:04:07,181 And I remember after one of these rehearsals, 1373 01:04:07,281 --> 01:04:09,216 I did send him a copy of that page 1374 01:04:09,316 --> 01:04:10,784 out of Appointment and Sumera. 1375 01:04:10,884 --> 01:04:13,287 Just saying that I would love to see you do this. 1376 01:04:13,387 --> 01:04:15,422 I never expected it to be in the show. 1377 01:04:17,791 --> 01:04:20,260 - There was a merchant in Baghdad 1378 01:04:20,361 --> 01:04:24,298 who sent his servant to market to buy provisions. 1379 01:04:24,398 --> 01:04:27,000 And in a little while the servant came back 1380 01:04:27,101 --> 01:04:28,502 white and trembling, and said, 1381 01:04:28,602 --> 01:04:31,271 "Master, just now when I was at the market place. 1382 01:04:31,372 --> 01:04:32,940 "I was jostled by a woman in the crowd 1383 01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:34,241 "and when I turned I saw 1384 01:04:34,341 --> 01:04:36,577 that it was Death that jostled me." 1385 01:04:36,677 --> 01:04:38,445 - The first time I met Jonathan 1386 01:04:38,545 --> 01:04:40,280 was at a Dark Shadows festival. 1387 01:04:40,381 --> 01:04:43,250 And he was doing the performance of a show he was developing. 1388 01:04:43,350 --> 01:04:46,420 I wrote for several publications and I wrote a review. 1389 01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,524 Then we wanted me to come meet him and Mary. 1390 01:04:50,624 --> 01:04:54,261 They asked me to, uh, if I would work for them 1391 01:04:54,361 --> 01:04:55,162 as a writer. 1392 01:04:55,262 --> 01:04:58,298 I would work with Mary primarily to write promotional material 1393 01:04:58,399 --> 01:05:00,000 to the schools and colleges. 1394 01:05:00,100 --> 01:05:03,337 And I worked with Jonathan, assisting him with narration 1395 01:05:03,437 --> 01:05:05,038 in-between the stories. 1396 01:05:05,139 --> 01:05:08,809 - I tried two or three different ideas which didn't work. 1397 01:05:08,909 --> 01:05:12,346 And so I finally evolved this simple collection 1398 01:05:12,446 --> 01:05:15,282 of stories and poetry. 1399 01:05:15,382 --> 01:05:16,784 I started my own production company 1400 01:05:16,884 --> 01:05:18,419 called Clunes and Associates 1401 01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:21,121 and Mary O'Leary is my co-producer 1402 01:05:21,221 --> 01:05:22,990 and she's general manager. 1403 01:05:23,090 --> 01:05:25,359 - He was a man of integrity. 1404 01:05:25,459 --> 01:05:28,128 Honesty was the most important thing. 1405 01:05:28,228 --> 01:05:30,464 Jonathan said, "If we're going to be business partners, 1406 01:05:30,564 --> 01:05:32,866 "I have to know that you will always be honest, 1407 01:05:32,966 --> 01:05:36,136 "even if there's something difficult you want to tell me. 1408 01:05:36,236 --> 01:05:38,572 Don't be afraid, tell me." 1409 01:05:38,672 --> 01:05:41,308 - Here I am, not only running a new business, 1410 01:05:41,408 --> 01:05:42,643 which I've never done in my life, 1411 01:05:42,743 --> 01:05:43,844 but I'm a story teller, 1412 01:05:43,944 --> 01:05:45,379 which is not quit the same as acting. 1413 01:05:45,479 --> 01:05:47,114 There's a lot of resemblance to it. 1414 01:05:47,214 --> 01:05:50,417 But where as I'm-- do not have people on the stage with me, 1415 01:05:50,517 --> 01:05:52,553 I play to the audience. 1416 01:05:52,653 --> 01:05:54,955 And so my audience is my feedback, 1417 01:05:55,055 --> 01:05:57,024 and they're almost the other actors. 1418 01:05:57,124 --> 01:06:01,128 It's quit different and absolutely thrilling. 1419 01:06:01,228 --> 01:06:02,362 - Jonathan would get a story 1420 01:06:02,463 --> 01:06:04,097 and he would read it over and over again, 1421 01:06:04,198 --> 01:06:06,967 looking for the emotional truth of ever single character 1422 01:06:07,067 --> 01:06:08,202 in that story. 1423 01:06:08,302 --> 01:06:10,437 He really worked very hard on these shows. 1424 01:06:10,537 --> 01:06:12,473 [telephone ringing] 1425 01:06:14,007 --> 01:06:15,275 - Hello? 1426 01:06:17,377 --> 01:06:18,879 Hello, Frank. 1427 01:06:20,914 --> 01:06:22,416 Who's this? 1428 01:06:23,650 --> 01:06:26,787 You know me. It's Len. 1429 01:06:27,654 --> 01:06:29,823 Oh, Len Styres. 1430 01:06:32,059 --> 01:06:35,929 Cold, deep and intense. 1431 01:06:36,029 --> 01:06:39,366 Receiver dead cold metal in my hand. 1432 01:06:41,368 --> 01:06:43,837 Leonard Styles died four weeks ago. 1433 01:06:45,372 --> 01:06:48,542 For weeks, three days, two hours 1434 01:06:48,642 --> 01:06:51,378 and 27 minutes to be exact. 1435 01:06:51,745 --> 01:06:53,447 This is a damn poor joke. 1436 01:06:53,547 --> 01:06:55,449 No joke, Frank. 1437 01:06:55,549 --> 01:06:58,886 You're there alive and I'm here dead. 1438 01:07:00,020 --> 01:07:01,688 You know something, old buddy. 1439 01:07:01,788 --> 01:07:03,957 I'm really glad I did it. 1440 01:07:05,526 --> 01:07:06,660 Did what? 1441 01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,262 Killed myself. 1442 01:07:09,496 --> 01:07:12,499 - Mary booked Jonathan at a college 1443 01:07:12,599 --> 01:07:14,868 up in Newport, Rhode Island, 1444 01:07:14,968 --> 01:07:20,040 where the house that was used as the exterior of Collinwood 1445 01:07:20,140 --> 01:07:23,944 for five years happen to be adorn. 1446 01:07:24,044 --> 01:07:27,114 So when he did his first performance, 1447 01:07:27,214 --> 01:07:30,250 it was Barnabas Collins back at Collinwood. 1448 01:07:30,350 --> 01:07:32,152 - I must say, my first engagement 1449 01:07:32,252 --> 01:07:34,888 up at Salve Regina College in Newport, Rhode Island, 1450 01:07:34,988 --> 01:07:36,690 got a fantastic review up there. 1451 01:07:36,790 --> 01:07:38,525 Certainly, it was like a press release. 1452 01:07:38,625 --> 01:07:41,328 - To see his enthusiasm and excitement 1453 01:07:41,428 --> 01:07:45,198 that now we are heading into this entire period of his life, 1454 01:07:45,299 --> 01:07:46,466 where he was going to tour, 1455 01:07:46,567 --> 01:07:48,368 was just something that was so wonderful. 1456 01:07:48,468 --> 01:07:50,404 - I have to say, as somebody who wrote 1457 01:07:50,504 --> 01:07:51,905 Jonathan a letter saying, 1458 01:07:52,005 --> 01:07:54,107 "You're too talented to waste." 1459 01:07:54,207 --> 01:07:56,276 Being there to see that moment, 1460 01:07:56,376 --> 01:08:00,047 felt like a success story. 1461 01:08:00,147 --> 01:08:04,785 It felt like we set out to do something and we succeeded. 1462 01:08:05,419 --> 01:08:07,588 - I got a call from an agent named Bob Waters, 1463 01:08:07,688 --> 01:08:10,157 who said, "Would Jonathan Frid, who you ware working with, 1464 01:08:10,257 --> 01:08:12,459 "be interested in doing Arsenic and Old Lace? 1465 01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:15,862 We'll go on a national tour with Gene Stapleton." 1466 01:08:15,963 --> 01:08:18,498 Jonathan was perfect for Jonathan Brewster. 1467 01:08:18,599 --> 01:08:21,735 - And all of a sudden he was now a Broadway actor again, 1468 01:08:21,835 --> 01:08:23,637 and you'd walk on 46th street 1469 01:08:23,737 --> 01:08:25,405 and there's Jonathan Frid's picture 1470 01:08:25,505 --> 01:08:27,274 on the 46th Street Theater. 1471 01:08:27,941 --> 01:08:30,544 - I was a nervous wreck for two weeks in New York, 1472 01:08:30,644 --> 01:08:32,746 like I used to be in Dark Shadows, 1473 01:08:32,846 --> 01:08:33,981 because I wasn't ready. 1474 01:08:34,081 --> 01:08:36,416 When I got to Washington after a week in Louisville, 1475 01:08:36,516 --> 01:08:40,053 and a week in New Haven, I really began to enjoy it. 1476 01:08:40,153 --> 01:08:41,989 Now I'm just having a ball. 1477 01:08:42,656 --> 01:08:46,660 - I went to see Jonathan Frid in Arsenic and Old Lace. 1478 01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:48,195 He was so letter perfect. 1479 01:08:48,295 --> 01:08:49,696 He was so sure. 1480 01:08:49,796 --> 01:08:51,298 He amazed me. 1481 01:08:52,132 --> 01:08:53,400 - In all the comedies I've been in, 1482 01:08:53,500 --> 01:08:57,170 I've never seen waives of laughter all night long. 1483 01:08:57,270 --> 01:08:59,306 When the audience doesn't laugh at a joke, 1484 01:08:59,406 --> 01:09:00,741 it's because they're exhausted. 1485 01:09:00,841 --> 01:09:03,577 - But we got a hot stiff on our hands. 1486 01:09:03,677 --> 01:09:05,278 - Forget Mr. Spenalzo. 1487 01:09:05,379 --> 01:09:08,782 - But, you can't leave a dead body in the rumble seat. 1488 01:09:08,882 --> 01:09:10,417 [audience laughing] 1489 01:09:10,517 --> 01:09:12,185 You shouldn't have killed him, Johnny. 1490 01:09:12,285 --> 01:09:13,186 He's a nice fellow. 1491 01:09:13,286 --> 01:09:15,322 He gives us a lift and what happened. 1492 01:09:15,422 --> 01:09:18,358 - He said I look like Boris Karloff. 1493 01:09:18,458 --> 01:09:21,361 That's your work, doctor. You did that to me. - Easy, easy, Johnny. 1494 01:09:21,461 --> 01:09:23,063 - We were on tour. 1495 01:09:23,163 --> 01:09:25,298 Toured all the major cities 1496 01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:28,535 and stayed two weeks. 1497 01:09:28,635 --> 01:09:32,272 Always there would be this bunch of people, 1498 01:09:32,372 --> 01:09:34,908 and they'd be waiting to see Jonathan, 1499 01:09:35,008 --> 01:09:37,711 and to have him all to themselves. 1500 01:09:37,811 --> 01:09:40,447 They weren't interested in us at all. 1501 01:09:40,547 --> 01:09:44,418 These people had not been to see Arsenic and Old Lace, 1502 01:09:44,518 --> 01:09:46,420 they came to see Jonathan Frid. 1503 01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,989 - I do my calisthenics backstage every night 1504 01:09:49,089 --> 01:09:50,223 before I go on. 1505 01:09:50,323 --> 01:09:53,026 And it either revs me up or calms me down. 1506 01:09:53,126 --> 01:09:54,961 Depending on what I want at the particular moment. 1507 01:09:55,062 --> 01:09:56,663 I look idiotic back there. 1508 01:09:56,763 --> 01:09:58,398 I mean, I don't have sneakers 1509 01:09:58,498 --> 01:10:01,535 and I look like some kind of a scare crow back there. 1510 01:10:01,635 --> 01:10:03,236 You know, doing my exercises. 1511 01:10:03,336 --> 01:10:04,971 - He looked like a black vulture walking. 1512 01:10:05,072 --> 01:10:08,375 He's very tall, very angular, you know. 1513 01:10:08,475 --> 01:10:12,345 He would be on, I'd think, "Oh wow, there he goes." 1514 01:10:12,446 --> 01:10:14,014 [laughing] 1515 01:10:14,114 --> 01:10:15,649 - Arsenic and Old Lace, 1516 01:10:15,749 --> 01:10:17,551 the starriest show in town. 1517 01:10:17,651 --> 01:10:19,052 - We play the Brewster sisters. 1518 01:10:19,152 --> 01:10:20,987 - We give comfort to lonely old men. 1519 01:10:21,088 --> 01:10:22,589 - Everyone needs a hobby. 1520 01:10:22,689 --> 01:10:24,991 - But then their handsome nephew drops in. That's me. 1521 01:10:25,092 --> 01:10:26,693 - And their other nephew, the black sheep. 1522 01:10:26,793 --> 01:10:27,494 That is I. 1523 01:10:27,594 --> 01:10:29,663 - Not to mention Teddy Roosevelt, the mad doctor, 1524 01:10:29,763 --> 01:10:31,298 and most of the police department. 1525 01:10:31,398 --> 01:10:34,267 - For lost of laughs. - For a little Arsenic and Old Lace. 1526 01:10:34,367 --> 01:10:35,502 - Come on over to our house. 1527 01:10:35,602 --> 01:10:37,137 - Everyone is dying to see you. 1528 01:10:37,237 --> 01:10:38,872 - Uh... [thud] 1529 01:10:39,639 --> 01:10:43,043 - I was able to get bookings for his one-man show 1530 01:10:43,143 --> 01:10:44,444 on Monday night off. 1531 01:10:44,544 --> 01:10:46,780 So, he didn't have to stop his one-man show. 1532 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,316 - I think Arsenic and Old Lace 1533 01:10:49,416 --> 01:10:52,219 fueled the success of his one-man shows. 1534 01:10:52,319 --> 01:10:54,788 - To really talk about the present and the future, 1535 01:10:54,888 --> 01:10:58,158 for me, in addition to Arsenic and Old Lace, 1536 01:10:58,258 --> 01:11:01,461 which has given me a complete new lease on life. 1537 01:11:01,561 --> 01:11:04,531 It has also given me an opportunity to develop 1538 01:11:04,631 --> 01:11:05,832 my one-man show called, 1539 01:11:05,932 --> 01:11:07,567 Jonathan Frid's Fools and Fiends. 1540 01:11:07,667 --> 01:11:10,370 So, you see, I'm not getting away from my reputation, 1541 01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:12,305 I'm carrying it with me in this own-man show, 1542 01:11:12,405 --> 01:11:14,207 and I have a ball doing it. 1543 01:11:14,307 --> 01:11:16,143 And as far as live theater is concerned, 1544 01:11:16,243 --> 01:11:19,246 that's as lively as I-- I forget 1545 01:11:19,346 --> 01:11:21,515 I play all the rolls. I play everything. 1546 01:11:21,615 --> 01:11:22,516 That's what I love about it. 1547 01:11:22,616 --> 01:11:24,684 - He could scoop it up one minute. 1548 01:11:24,785 --> 01:11:25,619 He could be funny. 1549 01:11:25,719 --> 01:11:28,388 He could shift back and forth between comedy 1550 01:11:28,488 --> 01:11:29,456 and drama. 1551 01:11:29,556 --> 01:11:31,825 And it was really a marvelous experience 1552 01:11:31,925 --> 01:11:33,426 to watch him perform. 1553 01:11:35,428 --> 01:11:38,365 - And I had a lunch with this chap in New York 1554 01:11:38,465 --> 01:11:40,467 who wants to be my agent, and he's a wonderful agent. 1555 01:11:40,567 --> 01:11:44,070 But I said, "Listen, Bob, we've got other things to do, 1556 01:11:44,171 --> 01:11:45,605 "and I don't want to be side tracked again. 1557 01:11:45,705 --> 01:11:47,541 I did it with Arsenic, but not again." 1558 01:11:47,641 --> 01:11:49,476 I want to spend the next three years 1559 01:11:49,576 --> 01:11:52,813 building a tour all over the whole country, 1560 01:11:52,913 --> 01:11:54,281 and indeed we are. 1561 01:11:54,381 --> 01:11:57,717 We're getting more and more engagements all the time. 1562 01:11:57,818 --> 01:12:00,187 We're going to colleges and theaters. 1563 01:12:00,287 --> 01:12:01,121 Coast to coast. 1564 01:12:01,221 --> 01:12:03,490 - When he started his one-man shows, 1565 01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:07,060 I began going to the ones not only at the conventions, 1566 01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:09,196 but the libraries in New York. 1567 01:12:09,296 --> 01:12:12,332 After which he would have a celebratory dinner. 1568 01:12:12,432 --> 01:12:14,668 With some of his fans and me, 1569 01:12:14,768 --> 01:12:18,705 and we just became really close friends 1570 01:12:18,805 --> 01:12:19,906 from that point on. 1571 01:12:20,006 --> 01:12:21,675 - Now I'm putting on a new one called, 1572 01:12:21,775 --> 01:12:24,110 Jonathan Frid in a Lighter Vein. 1573 01:12:24,211 --> 01:12:25,645 There's a little bit of a play on a word. 1574 01:12:25,745 --> 01:12:28,782 But however, it's going to be less ghoulish 1575 01:12:28,882 --> 01:12:29,950 than Fools and Fiends. 1576 01:12:30,050 --> 01:12:31,418 It won't be ghoulish at all. 1577 01:12:31,518 --> 01:12:34,120 There will be evil people in it, but there always are. 1578 01:12:34,221 --> 01:12:37,457 You can't write a story without an evil element. 1579 01:12:37,557 --> 01:12:39,159 Or a play without an evil element. 1580 01:12:39,259 --> 01:12:41,728 So then the next-- Also next year 1581 01:12:41,828 --> 01:12:45,565 I plan to have ready Shakespeare's Fools and Fiends. 1582 01:12:45,665 --> 01:12:49,002 In which I will be dealing with some of the fools, 1583 01:12:49,102 --> 01:12:52,205 Shakespeare writes in upper case fools, 1584 01:12:52,305 --> 01:12:55,041 and also some foolish people from Shakespeare. 1585 01:12:55,141 --> 01:12:57,510 And then my last part of the show will be 1586 01:12:57,611 --> 01:12:59,045 the rise and fall of a fiend, 1587 01:12:59,145 --> 01:13:00,380 or the rise and fall of a tyrant. 1588 01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:03,083 Meaning, a kind of observation, a study 1589 01:13:03,183 --> 01:13:05,185 of the rise an fall of Richard III. 1590 01:13:05,285 --> 01:13:09,656 - Perjury. Perjury in the highest degree. 1591 01:13:09,756 --> 01:13:13,026 Murder, stern murder in the direst degree. 1592 01:13:13,126 --> 01:13:16,630 All several sins, all used in each degree. 1593 01:13:16,730 --> 01:13:18,598 Throng to the bar, crying all. 1594 01:13:18,698 --> 01:13:20,800 "Guilty! Guilty!" 1595 01:13:22,202 --> 01:13:23,904 I shall despair. 1596 01:13:25,305 --> 01:13:27,173 There is no creature loves me. 1597 01:13:28,842 --> 01:13:32,445 And if I die no soul shall pity me. 1598 01:13:33,079 --> 01:13:37,017 - Jonathan and Mary developed these three one-man shows. 1599 01:13:37,117 --> 01:13:39,686 He would get booked at theaters, and conferences, 1600 01:13:39,786 --> 01:13:42,222 corporate events, private parties, 1601 01:13:42,322 --> 01:13:45,125 universities, and colleges, and even on a cruise ship. 1602 01:13:45,225 --> 01:13:47,861 - Jonathan's Evil Eye, which has been commissioned 1603 01:13:47,961 --> 01:13:51,665 by the Norwegian Cruise Lines for their S.S. Norway cruise 1604 01:13:51,765 --> 01:13:53,300 this fall. 1605 01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,001 So I'm going to be cruising through the Caribbean 1606 01:13:55,101 --> 01:13:56,670 doing Evil Eye. 1607 01:13:56,770 --> 01:13:59,039 And that, of course, that is a quote 1608 01:13:59,139 --> 01:14:00,807 from The Tell-Tale Heart. 1609 01:14:00,907 --> 01:14:02,842 I was never kinder to the old man 1610 01:14:02,943 --> 01:14:06,579 than during the whole week before I killed him. 1611 01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,949 And every night, about midnight, 1612 01:14:09,049 --> 01:14:13,086 I turned the latch of his door, and opened it, 1613 01:14:13,186 --> 01:14:15,255 oh, so gently. 1614 01:14:15,355 --> 01:14:16,756 And then, when I had made an opening 1615 01:14:16,856 --> 01:14:18,858 sufficient for my head, 1616 01:14:18,959 --> 01:14:23,229 I put in a dark lantern. All close, close, 1617 01:14:23,330 --> 01:14:25,632 so that no light shown out. 1618 01:14:25,732 --> 01:14:27,334 And then, I thrusted my head. 1619 01:14:29,169 --> 01:14:30,737 When my head was well in the room, 1620 01:14:30,837 --> 01:14:34,040 I undid the lantern cautiously-oh, 1621 01:14:34,140 --> 01:14:36,242 so cautiously. 1622 01:14:36,343 --> 01:14:39,412 Cautiously for the hinges creaked. 1623 01:14:39,512 --> 01:14:42,482 And I undid it just so much that a single thin ray 1624 01:14:42,582 --> 01:14:44,551 fell upon the vulture eye. 1625 01:14:44,651 --> 01:14:47,988 And this I did for seven long nights. 1626 01:14:48,088 --> 01:14:50,423 Every night, just at midnight, 1627 01:14:50,523 --> 01:14:53,893 but I found the eye always closed; 1628 01:14:53,994 --> 01:14:56,029 and so it was impossible to do the work; 1629 01:14:56,129 --> 01:14:59,165 for it was not the old man who vexed me, 1630 01:14:59,265 --> 01:15:01,668 but his Evil Eye. 1631 01:15:01,768 --> 01:15:03,903 - The nice thing about having three shows 1632 01:15:04,004 --> 01:15:06,306 was that he could be booked at a particular college 1633 01:15:06,406 --> 01:15:08,641 one year and he could come back the next year, 1634 01:15:08,742 --> 01:15:10,710 or two years later, and do a different show. 1635 01:15:10,810 --> 01:15:13,013 - In January of 1991, 1636 01:15:13,113 --> 01:15:15,682 Jonathan was doing his one-man show in Atlanta, 1637 01:15:15,782 --> 01:15:17,350 I believe it was Fools and Fiends, 1638 01:15:17,450 --> 01:15:20,020 and I took my mother to see it for her birthday. 1639 01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,255 And the show was great, and Jonathan was wonderful, 1640 01:15:22,355 --> 01:15:24,758 and he was very, very gracious, and personable 1641 01:15:24,858 --> 01:15:26,760 in the meet and greets in the lobby after the show. 1642 01:15:26,860 --> 01:15:28,061 I was the director of theater 1643 01:15:28,161 --> 01:15:29,829 in Georgia College and State University, 1644 01:15:29,929 --> 01:15:32,065 and the next week we booked Jonathan. 1645 01:15:32,165 --> 01:15:35,035 And three weeks later he was doing Fridiculousness at school. 1646 01:15:35,135 --> 01:15:37,837 It was very well received. He was great with the students. 1647 01:15:37,937 --> 01:15:38,738 He did workshops 1648 01:15:38,838 --> 01:15:41,741 where he worked on text from Richard III with them. 1649 01:15:41,841 --> 01:15:43,510 And I think he liked our town. 1650 01:15:43,610 --> 01:15:45,412 He liked living in the old governor's mansion. 1651 01:15:45,512 --> 01:15:48,314 And we brought him back to do Shakespearean Odyssey. 1652 01:15:48,415 --> 01:15:50,717 We had Thornton Wilder play Our Town 1653 01:15:50,817 --> 01:15:52,285 scheduled for the next season. 1654 01:15:52,385 --> 01:15:54,854 And I said, "Jonathan, why don't you come and play the narrator." 1655 01:15:54,954 --> 01:15:56,356 And he said, "I'm not interested in that, 1656 01:15:56,456 --> 01:15:58,224 but I might like to direct." 1657 01:15:58,324 --> 01:16:00,293 So I said, "Sure. What do you want to direct?" 1658 01:16:00,393 --> 01:16:02,128 And he came up with The Lion in Winter. 1659 01:16:02,429 --> 01:16:04,330 - Jonathan had called me and said, 1660 01:16:04,431 --> 01:16:07,267 "I'd love you to play Eleanor, the fabulous roll." 1661 01:16:07,367 --> 01:16:08,568 - [chuckles] 1662 01:16:08,668 --> 01:16:11,638 - That was all I needed to know and I said, "Oh, yes." 1663 01:16:11,738 --> 01:16:15,408 Even though this was really his, "debut", as he always called it, 1664 01:16:15,508 --> 01:16:18,111 Jonathan was a wonderful director in this way. 1665 01:16:18,211 --> 01:16:21,081 He told us in the beginning exactly what he wanted. 1666 01:16:21,181 --> 01:16:24,284 An overall picture. He spend quit a bit of time 1667 01:16:24,384 --> 01:16:27,187 on that first rehearsal telling us that. 1668 01:16:27,287 --> 01:16:31,858 And then once we started working, he gave us free reign, 1669 01:16:31,958 --> 01:16:34,561 so that he didn't interfere. 1670 01:16:34,661 --> 01:16:37,363 And as long as you knew what you were doing, this was great. 1671 01:16:37,464 --> 01:16:41,901 If you didn't, then he would guide one of the kids in a way, 1672 01:16:42,001 --> 01:16:44,904 and it worked very smoothly. 1673 01:16:45,004 --> 01:16:47,674 And so many fans from Dark Shadows came, 1674 01:16:47,774 --> 01:16:50,009 and we would have talks afterwards. 1675 01:16:50,110 --> 01:16:51,578 It was wonderful. 1676 01:16:51,744 --> 01:16:54,114 - [V/O] The Clunes Associates partnership was dissolved 1677 01:16:54,214 --> 01:16:55,648 in 1994. 1678 01:16:55,748 --> 01:16:58,184 Jonathan, who retained his Canadian citizenship 1679 01:16:58,284 --> 01:17:00,687 throughout his forty years in the United States, 1680 01:17:00,787 --> 01:17:02,188 retired to his homeland. 1681 01:17:02,288 --> 01:17:04,757 - Got a phone call that Uncle Jonathan was going to be 1682 01:17:04,858 --> 01:17:06,559 moving back to Canada. 1683 01:17:06,659 --> 01:17:07,927 As he had turned 70 1684 01:17:08,027 --> 01:17:11,564 and wanted to slow the pace down in his life. 1685 01:17:11,664 --> 01:17:16,136 And um, basically spend his remaining years among family, 1686 01:17:16,236 --> 01:17:19,072 and familiar surroundings. His home town. 1687 01:17:19,172 --> 01:17:20,940 And my wife and I rented a truck 1688 01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:24,511 and we drive down to Manhattan and parked the truck. 1689 01:17:24,611 --> 01:17:27,046 He had movers there waiting to fill the truck, 1690 01:17:27,147 --> 01:17:29,749 and we made our way back up to Canada. 1691 01:17:29,849 --> 01:17:31,818 He had never really owned a house before, 1692 01:17:31,918 --> 01:17:34,387 and was very excited at the prospect of having 1693 01:17:34,487 --> 01:17:36,956 a house he could put his own stamp on. 1694 01:17:37,056 --> 01:17:42,162 And a garden he could take from his mind and make it a reality. 1695 01:17:42,262 --> 01:17:44,797 I was aware that he had a small garden, rooftop garden 1696 01:17:44,898 --> 01:17:46,966 in one of his apartments in New York. 1697 01:17:47,066 --> 01:17:50,303 So he always had kind of a green thumb in that regard. 1698 01:17:50,403 --> 01:17:54,707 - Jonathan started meeting his old friends from school 1699 01:17:54,807 --> 01:17:55,742 that he kept in touch with. 1700 01:17:55,842 --> 01:17:58,511 Every Tuesday they would meet up there at a pub. 1701 01:17:58,611 --> 01:18:01,147 - He actually kept the ball rolling in that 1702 01:18:01,247 --> 01:18:03,917 he was performing his one-man show, 1703 01:18:04,017 --> 01:18:06,786 which were basically for charity. 1704 01:18:06,886 --> 01:18:08,555 He was always very critical of himself, 1705 01:18:08,655 --> 01:18:11,858 and he would practice in the living room. 1706 01:18:11,958 --> 01:18:13,927 - Here we are my dear, said the better 1707 01:18:14,027 --> 01:18:16,529 of the white MacIntosh coming in through the window. 1708 01:18:16,629 --> 01:18:19,632 Fairly muddy, but most of it's dry. 1709 01:18:19,732 --> 01:18:23,169 Say, who's that chap that bolted out the doors as we came up? 1710 01:18:24,504 --> 01:18:26,206 A most extraordinary man. 1711 01:18:26,306 --> 01:18:28,575 A Mr. Nuttel, said Mrs. Sappleton, 1712 01:18:28,675 --> 01:18:30,944 could only talk about his illnesses, 1713 01:18:31,044 --> 01:18:33,746 and dashed off without a word of good-bye or apology 1714 01:18:33,846 --> 01:18:34,814 when you arrived. 1715 01:18:34,914 --> 01:18:36,883 One would think he had seen a ghost. 1716 01:18:36,983 --> 01:18:39,986 - Jonathan asked me if he could hire me 1717 01:18:40,086 --> 01:18:41,721 to come into his house and help him 1718 01:18:41,821 --> 01:18:43,156 sort through these archives 1719 01:18:43,256 --> 01:18:46,426 that he had brought back with him from New York. 1720 01:18:46,526 --> 01:18:50,530 My first impression of Jonathan was that he was very, 1721 01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:54,100 he was a very cordial man, he was very... 1722 01:18:54,200 --> 01:19:00,073 He had a sort of an old eloquence about him 1723 01:19:00,173 --> 01:19:01,608 that was very charming. 1724 01:19:01,708 --> 01:19:06,145 And... And, um, very proper. 1725 01:19:06,246 --> 01:19:07,847 We started to chat because he knew 1726 01:19:07,947 --> 01:19:09,415 that I was budding actor, 1727 01:19:09,515 --> 01:19:11,618 and he started opening up about his career, 1728 01:19:11,718 --> 01:19:13,219 and we became friends. 1729 01:19:13,886 --> 01:19:17,523 - I did Sir Anthony Absolute with Sheridan's The Rivals 1730 01:19:17,624 --> 01:19:20,326 in the final year in prep-school, 1731 01:19:20,426 --> 01:19:23,429 and that was the great moment of my life. 1732 01:19:23,529 --> 01:19:26,733 When I discovered that I really wanted to be an actor. 1733 01:19:26,833 --> 01:19:28,868 And I felt that I had talent. 1734 01:19:28,968 --> 01:19:31,371 Um, it was a great breakthrough in my life, 1735 01:19:31,471 --> 01:19:32,472 because up to that point, 1736 01:19:32,572 --> 01:19:34,140 I didn't know what I wanted to do. 1737 01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:38,611 And nothing was very meaningful until I got that roll. 1738 01:19:38,711 --> 01:19:43,049 - John never gave up his love for theater. 1739 01:19:43,149 --> 01:19:45,852 Making theater was very important. 1740 01:19:45,952 --> 01:19:51,357 There is that soul commitment to that art, 1741 01:19:51,457 --> 01:19:54,227 which is different than film and TV 1742 01:19:54,327 --> 01:19:56,162 It's an empathic art with the audience, 1743 01:19:56,262 --> 01:19:58,298 where you are making a personal connection every night 1744 01:19:58,398 --> 01:19:59,966 with a blind date, 1745 01:20:00,066 --> 01:20:02,435 and having to win them over, you know. 1746 01:20:02,535 --> 01:20:04,704 - To an actor on stage, it's immediate. 1747 01:20:04,804 --> 01:20:06,606 You get the reaction right now, 1748 01:20:06,706 --> 01:20:08,841 or you don't get the reaction. [chuckles] 1749 01:20:08,941 --> 01:20:11,544 - But that live connection is what really--- 1750 01:20:11,644 --> 01:20:14,013 That's-- That's what it's about. 1751 01:20:14,113 --> 01:20:16,249 That's really what fulfills you. 1752 01:20:16,349 --> 01:20:18,351 - When they applaud, we're happy. 1753 01:20:18,451 --> 01:20:21,321 We know we've made-- We've touched them. 1754 01:20:21,421 --> 01:20:23,589 - I think all of us look at it too much as a money game, 1755 01:20:23,690 --> 01:20:27,093 and I got to do movies and this to be successful. 1756 01:20:27,193 --> 01:20:28,661 Johnny was happy to be on the stage 1757 01:20:28,761 --> 01:20:31,397 and, you know, doing his thing. 1758 01:20:31,497 --> 01:20:35,635 - First place, the theater company is a family. 1759 01:20:35,735 --> 01:20:38,905 And even if they've just come together to do one play, 1760 01:20:39,005 --> 01:20:42,308 but you grow to love each other, because depend on each other. 1761 01:20:42,408 --> 01:20:45,878 And that's a family, that's the theater. 1762 01:20:45,978 --> 01:20:47,013 Companies get together, 1763 01:20:47,113 --> 01:20:49,082 but then everybody goes their ways. 1764 01:20:49,182 --> 01:20:52,852 The magic of an actor is, 1765 01:20:52,952 --> 01:20:56,356 there's a piece of paper with words on it, 1766 01:20:56,456 --> 01:20:58,958 they're just words, all they are is ink. 1767 01:20:59,058 --> 01:21:02,228 An actor can go and pick up the piece of paper, 1768 01:21:02,328 --> 01:21:05,064 look at it, think about it, 1769 01:21:05,164 --> 01:21:07,500 and create a person. 1770 01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,937 Who says that the words that were on the paper 1771 01:21:11,037 --> 01:21:12,939 were simple. 1772 01:21:13,039 --> 01:21:16,008 But it is a miracle and Tennessee Williams 1773 01:21:16,109 --> 01:21:17,977 can't act Stanley. 1774 01:21:18,077 --> 01:21:20,780 Tennessee Williams can't play Blanche, 1775 01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,282 but he can create them on the page. 1776 01:21:24,283 --> 01:21:26,018 Always on the page. 1777 01:21:26,953 --> 01:21:29,722 It takes the actor to lift them off. 1778 01:21:32,525 --> 01:21:35,561 William Shakespeare couldn't play Hamlet, 1779 01:21:35,661 --> 01:21:37,397 but an actor can. 1780 01:21:39,098 --> 01:21:41,601 - So somehow along the way, 1781 01:21:41,701 --> 01:21:44,437 Jonathan and I got talking about the fact that 1782 01:21:44,537 --> 01:21:47,540 wouldn't it be fun to do something together. 1783 01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,009 And so, I proposed the show Mass Appeal, 1784 01:21:50,109 --> 01:21:53,679 and it's a rather delightful two-man show. 1785 01:21:53,780 --> 01:21:57,183 We hired a local director, hired s stage manager. 1786 01:21:57,283 --> 01:21:59,552 Jonathan wanted to make sure it was done properly, 1787 01:21:59,652 --> 01:22:01,687 and that we had ample rehearsal time. 1788 01:22:01,788 --> 01:22:04,223 And unfortunately, on that opening night, 1789 01:22:04,323 --> 01:22:08,828 Jonathan really became confused, and um, lost his place. 1790 01:22:08,928 --> 01:22:12,732 And was really struggling to kind of finish the show. 1791 01:22:12,832 --> 01:22:17,470 I knew the script well enough that I just tied up the show, 1792 01:22:17,570 --> 01:22:20,706 got him off the stage, we took our bows. 1793 01:22:20,807 --> 01:22:24,744 And I remember him backstage, and he was saying, 1794 01:22:24,844 --> 01:22:27,613 "I'm sorry. I'm so sorry." I said, "Jonathan, it's okay." 1795 01:22:27,713 --> 01:22:28,481 "Don't worry about it." 1796 01:22:28,581 --> 01:22:32,318 "You know what, you're fine, we're good." 1797 01:22:32,418 --> 01:22:36,255 Um, but it was something that bothered him a lot, 1798 01:22:36,355 --> 01:22:40,159 and uh... So then, we had to make... 1799 01:22:40,259 --> 01:22:42,195 We had to make a decision on how to proceed. 1800 01:22:42,295 --> 01:22:46,432 So we did get the idea of using like, an earpiece, 1801 01:22:46,532 --> 01:22:48,501 and so we rented this piece. 1802 01:22:48,601 --> 01:22:50,903 And so that's actually how we moved forward with the run, 1803 01:22:51,003 --> 01:22:52,939 was that, if need be, 1804 01:22:53,039 --> 01:22:56,108 the assistant stage manager who then stayed on script, 1805 01:22:56,209 --> 01:22:59,145 could always feed a line to Jonathan. 1806 01:22:59,245 --> 01:23:01,681 To just prompt him in varying degrees, 1807 01:23:01,781 --> 01:23:02,648 depending on the day. 1808 01:23:02,748 --> 01:23:05,184 And when he was on, he was on. 1809 01:23:05,284 --> 01:23:07,787 And he... he did a great job 1810 01:23:07,887 --> 01:23:10,389 of that roll of Father Farley. 1811 01:23:10,490 --> 01:23:12,492 It had it's bumpy moments for sure. 1812 01:23:12,592 --> 01:23:16,262 But I was thrilled that I got to spend that time with him. 1813 01:23:16,362 --> 01:23:18,130 I was very, very happy for John 1814 01:23:18,231 --> 01:23:20,299 that it went out on a real high note, 1815 01:23:20,399 --> 01:23:22,535 because he did a really great job, 1816 01:23:22,635 --> 01:23:24,237 and he had some really fabulous performances. 1817 01:23:24,337 --> 01:23:27,473 - I, at that point owned, and still own a property 1818 01:23:27,573 --> 01:23:29,008 in Niagara on the lake. 1819 01:23:29,108 --> 01:23:30,643 Which is not far from Lancaster, 1820 01:23:30,743 --> 01:23:32,345 where John was living at the time. 1821 01:23:32,445 --> 01:23:35,982 We had a small group which we called the Project Team. 1822 01:23:36,082 --> 01:23:40,419 And it began with work mostly on the website, 1823 01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:43,055 and on the Evil Incarnate. 1824 01:23:43,155 --> 01:23:46,626 Which was basically four scenes from Shakespeare's Richard III. 1825 01:23:46,726 --> 01:23:49,262 - Plots have I laid, 1826 01:23:49,362 --> 01:23:53,099 inductions dangerous. 1827 01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:58,037 By drunken prophecies, libels and dreams, 1828 01:23:58,137 --> 01:24:02,308 to set my brother Clarence 1829 01:24:02,408 --> 01:24:07,346 and the king in deadly hate the one against the other. 1830 01:24:07,446 --> 01:24:11,284 - When the opportunity in 2007 came, 1831 01:24:11,384 --> 01:24:14,287 uh, to go to one of the festivals, 1832 01:24:14,387 --> 01:24:16,822 he started to look forward to it. 1833 01:24:16,923 --> 01:24:20,993 And we started to divide the time between 1834 01:24:21,093 --> 01:24:23,262 what he was working on with the website, 1835 01:24:23,362 --> 01:24:27,500 and planning for his return to the Dark Shadows festivals. 1836 01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:31,904 - In 2007, it was the 40th anniversary 1837 01:24:32,004 --> 01:24:34,407 of my uncle starting Dark Shadows. 1838 01:24:34,507 --> 01:24:35,942 He was getting up there in age, 1839 01:24:36,042 --> 01:24:40,212 and so I thought I'll come down and be of support. 1840 01:24:40,313 --> 01:24:44,383 When I arrived there was a lot of anticipation. 1841 01:24:44,483 --> 01:24:47,353 We had to take him around back behind the stage, 1842 01:24:47,453 --> 01:24:50,723 and I was delighted to opening the door. 1843 01:24:50,823 --> 01:24:53,125 [audience applause] 1844 01:25:11,143 --> 01:25:12,111 - Thank you. 1845 01:25:12,211 --> 01:25:15,581 [applause continues] 1846 01:25:16,616 --> 01:25:17,817 Upside down. 1847 01:25:21,921 --> 01:25:22,755 Thank you. 1848 01:25:25,091 --> 01:25:28,327 - It was so surreal for me to finally see 1849 01:25:28,427 --> 01:25:30,196 how much he meant to these people. 1850 01:25:30,296 --> 01:25:33,499 He hadn't been in front of his fans for so many years, 1851 01:25:33,599 --> 01:25:35,434 and they were just so happy to see him. 1852 01:25:35,534 --> 01:25:38,004 - [V/O] In July 2010, the annual Dark Shadows 1853 01:25:38,104 --> 01:25:41,407 festival kicked off with a very special opening event. 1854 01:25:41,507 --> 01:25:44,276 Jonathan putting his hand print and initials in the courtyard 1855 01:25:44,377 --> 01:25:47,546 of the historic Vista movie theater in Los Angles. 1856 01:25:47,647 --> 01:25:50,716 It was 90 degrees and Jonathan's back was hurting him, 1857 01:25:50,816 --> 01:25:53,285 but he did it to please the crowd of fans. 1858 01:25:53,386 --> 01:25:56,288 - Then I thought, "Well at the Dark Shadows festival, 1859 01:25:56,389 --> 01:25:58,224 "wouldn't it be wonderful if Jonathan and I 1860 01:25:58,324 --> 01:25:59,592 could do something together." 1861 01:25:59,692 --> 01:26:02,695 - There were several scenes from Mass Appeal. 1862 01:26:02,795 --> 01:26:05,297 - Your servant sucks. 1863 01:26:05,398 --> 01:26:07,967 [audience laughter] 1864 01:26:14,940 --> 01:26:16,976 - You haven't heard the rest. 1865 01:26:18,077 --> 01:26:22,081 - The rest could be the Sermon on the Mount, 1866 01:26:22,181 --> 01:26:28,087 but after two minutes of this, they just turn you off. 1867 01:26:28,187 --> 01:26:30,156 - I can't believe that. 1868 01:26:30,256 --> 01:26:36,595 - It's not a question of faith, it's the cold hard facts 1869 01:26:36,696 --> 01:26:39,165 of the pulpit. 1870 01:26:39,265 --> 01:26:41,567 - What are you suggesting I do? 1871 01:26:42,435 --> 01:26:46,038 - I'm not suggesting, I'm telling you, 1872 01:26:46,138 --> 01:26:48,040 don't kick ass. 1873 01:26:48,140 --> 01:26:49,875 [audience applause] 1874 01:26:49,975 --> 01:26:57,383 - That was the final performance that we had 1875 01:26:57,483 --> 01:26:59,251 from Jonathan. 1876 01:26:59,351 --> 01:27:01,087 Um... 1877 01:27:01,187 --> 01:27:08,094 So that is a particular moment in time 1878 01:27:08,194 --> 01:27:09,829 that I cherish. 1879 01:27:10,796 --> 01:27:12,898 - Johnny and I were very good friends, 1880 01:27:12,998 --> 01:27:14,867 and it was a surprise. 1881 01:27:14,967 --> 01:27:16,702 A big surprise that it happened. 1882 01:27:16,802 --> 01:27:19,638 Jonathan is a reserved human being, you know. 1883 01:27:19,739 --> 01:27:21,107 A lot of class. 1884 01:27:21,207 --> 01:27:25,311 The thing about Jonathan Frid and myself, 1885 01:27:25,411 --> 01:27:29,081 we are two poles apart as human beings, 1886 01:27:29,181 --> 01:27:31,884 and we became great friends on that show. 1887 01:27:31,984 --> 01:27:33,219 I mean, great friends. 1888 01:27:33,319 --> 01:27:36,922 I look to this day Jonathan is probably one of the five 1889 01:27:37,022 --> 01:27:41,927 or six best friends I've ever had in my life, you know. 1890 01:27:42,027 --> 01:27:44,330 I remember when I was moving into a new apartment, you know, 1891 01:27:44,430 --> 01:27:47,833 I was just married and he gave me all this furniture and stuff. 1892 01:27:47,933 --> 01:27:49,635 We used to go up to his apartment, 1893 01:27:49,735 --> 01:27:52,004 this lovely, beautiful apartment 1894 01:27:52,104 --> 01:27:56,008 overlooking the Queensboro bridge. 1895 01:27:56,108 --> 01:27:58,410 Having a nice steak dinner out, you know, 1896 01:27:58,511 --> 01:28:00,913 with this beautiful bridge before you. 1897 01:28:01,013 --> 01:28:02,381 Johnny was a good friend. 1898 01:28:02,481 --> 01:28:04,283 A deeply, good, good, good, good friend, 1899 01:28:04,383 --> 01:28:05,918 - You know what was fun? 1900 01:28:06,018 --> 01:28:08,687 Jonathan liked to cook and I loved to cook, 1901 01:28:08,788 --> 01:28:12,258 so often I cooked at his place, he cooked at my place. 1902 01:28:12,358 --> 01:28:14,627 We even went to the picnics at Central Park, 1903 01:28:14,727 --> 01:28:16,796 the Philharmonic concerts, 1904 01:28:16,896 --> 01:28:19,698 and that was a wonderful time. 1905 01:28:19,799 --> 01:28:21,167 - John was at my wedding, 1906 01:28:21,267 --> 01:28:24,036 and when my first two children were born 1907 01:28:24,136 --> 01:28:26,639 he was at the house, and he was holding them. 1908 01:28:26,739 --> 01:28:28,974 And he was at our shindigs, 1909 01:28:29,074 --> 01:28:31,477 and we had so many lunches together. 1910 01:28:31,577 --> 01:28:34,079 He was a nice friend to have, 1911 01:28:34,180 --> 01:28:39,118 and I'm really, really grateful for the time we had together. 1912 01:28:39,485 --> 01:28:43,722 - In those days, it was illegal to be gay. 1913 01:28:43,823 --> 01:28:47,126 And this played on his mind, 1914 01:28:47,226 --> 01:28:50,596 and so he was never overtly gay. 1915 01:28:50,696 --> 01:28:53,632 I talked to my friends who are now in their 80s, 1916 01:28:53,732 --> 01:28:56,669 and they did the same thing. 1917 01:28:56,769 --> 01:28:59,004 We were embarrassed about it. 1918 01:28:59,104 --> 01:29:01,941 We never really talked about it. 1919 01:29:02,041 --> 01:29:04,443 - He never really had a significant other. 1920 01:29:04,543 --> 01:29:06,979 And I did find this... 1921 01:29:07,079 --> 01:29:08,814 I think, a little bit interesting about him, 1922 01:29:08,914 --> 01:29:11,016 but he always seemed very content. 1923 01:29:11,116 --> 01:29:13,385 He seemed very, very content 1924 01:29:13,485 --> 01:29:18,524 to just live his life, on his own, as he liked. 1925 01:29:18,624 --> 01:29:21,060 And he got to do exactly what he wanted to do. 1926 01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:22,895 - He took pleasure in the simple things, 1927 01:29:22,995 --> 01:29:25,497 such as sitting at his favorite restaurant Sammy Joe's. 1928 01:29:25,598 --> 01:29:27,800 Invariably at the same seat, 1929 01:29:27,900 --> 01:29:30,202 and he would look out on this tall pine tree, 1930 01:29:30,302 --> 01:29:32,171 and he was just amazed at the size of it, 1931 01:29:32,271 --> 01:29:33,606 and the perfection of it. 1932 01:29:33,706 --> 01:29:36,308 He would come to my house and always sit in the same seat, 1933 01:29:36,408 --> 01:29:37,509 looking out at the garden. 1934 01:29:37,610 --> 01:29:40,079 He just loved that vantage point. 1935 01:29:40,179 --> 01:29:43,048 You know, basically, a man of simple pleasures, really. 1936 01:29:43,148 --> 01:29:44,984 - He became more of a father figure for me 1937 01:29:45,084 --> 01:29:47,152 as my dad passed away when I was 25, 1938 01:29:47,253 --> 01:29:49,688 so I looked up to him 1939 01:29:49,788 --> 01:29:52,625 as a person I could trust and talk to. 1940 01:29:52,725 --> 01:29:54,860 And he was always there for support. 1941 01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,029 - Working with Jonathan was incredibly validating, 1942 01:29:57,129 --> 01:29:59,565 because I had a voice at the table. 1943 01:29:59,665 --> 01:30:01,767 I was always heard. 1944 01:30:01,867 --> 01:30:03,435 He taught me by his behavior. 1945 01:30:03,535 --> 01:30:06,472 He taught me by the way he regarded me, 1946 01:30:06,572 --> 01:30:09,041 the way he regarded the fans. 1947 01:30:09,341 --> 01:30:12,011 - Jonathan Frid was one of the most compassionate men 1948 01:30:12,111 --> 01:30:13,479 that I ever met. 1949 01:30:13,579 --> 01:30:16,282 I lost a sister to cancer in 1988. 1950 01:30:16,382 --> 01:30:20,152 From the day she was diagnosed, she was terminal. 1951 01:30:20,252 --> 01:30:23,455 After my sister passed away, he was doing his one-man show, 1952 01:30:23,555 --> 01:30:24,790 you know, around the country, 1953 01:30:24,890 --> 01:30:27,293 and he literally had one night stands everywhere. 1954 01:30:27,393 --> 01:30:29,828 And he called me up and let me pour my heart 1955 01:30:29,929 --> 01:30:31,530 out to him because I was devastated. 1956 01:30:31,630 --> 01:30:34,900 The things that this man said to me, I'll never forget it. 1957 01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,503 - The AIDS epidemic tragically took the lives 1958 01:30:37,603 --> 01:30:40,205 of some of Jonathan's Dark Shadows co-stars, 1959 01:30:40,306 --> 01:30:42,308 as well as some of his closest friends 1960 01:30:42,408 --> 01:30:44,176 whom I've had the pleasure of meeting. 1961 01:30:44,276 --> 01:30:46,612 Jonathan showed strength and courage through it all 1962 01:30:46,712 --> 01:30:48,781 at a time when people were scared to be near 1963 01:30:48,881 --> 01:30:49,748 an AIDS patient. 1964 01:30:49,848 --> 01:30:52,251 Jonathan would sit by a dying friends bedside 1965 01:30:52,351 --> 01:30:55,354 to talk, to listen, or to just hold his hand. 1966 01:30:56,722 --> 01:31:02,061 - When he got into his 80s, um, he had some mobility issues. 1967 01:31:02,161 --> 01:31:04,330 He had taken a couple of falls. 1968 01:31:04,430 --> 01:31:06,565 His house had different levels, 1969 01:31:06,665 --> 01:31:10,202 and that was part of the reason he moved to a one floor condo. 1970 01:31:10,302 --> 01:31:11,904 His memory was starting to fail him, 1971 01:31:12,004 --> 01:31:13,339 as it fails all of us. 1972 01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:17,176 But he always stayed on track as far as what he wanted to do. 1973 01:31:17,276 --> 01:31:20,112 His desire to do things was strong, 1974 01:31:20,212 --> 01:31:23,282 but his abilities to do them was starting to diminish 1975 01:31:23,382 --> 01:31:24,516 as he got older. 1976 01:31:24,616 --> 01:31:27,152 - One day I just picked up the phone and called him. 1977 01:31:27,252 --> 01:31:28,754 I said, 1978 01:31:28,854 --> 01:31:30,622 "Is it possible we could get together?" 1979 01:31:30,723 --> 01:31:33,359 He said, "Oh David, I don't leave my place anymore." 1980 01:31:33,459 --> 01:31:35,561 He says, "In fact, I'm in my robe." 1981 01:31:35,661 --> 01:31:36,895 [laughing] 1982 01:31:36,996 --> 01:31:40,499 I must say, we had a laugh about that over the phone. 1983 01:31:40,599 --> 01:31:42,134 - [V/O] In the summer of 2011, 1984 01:31:42,234 --> 01:31:44,636 production began on a feature film of Dark Shadows, 1985 01:31:44,737 --> 01:31:46,038 directed by Tim Burton, 1986 01:31:46,138 --> 01:31:48,974 and starring Johnny Depp as Barnabas Collins. 1987 01:31:49,074 --> 01:31:52,311 On short notice, David Selby, Catherine Lee Scott, 1988 01:31:52,411 --> 01:31:53,912 Lara Park, and Jonathan, 1989 01:31:54,013 --> 01:31:57,216 were requested to fly to London for one day of filming. 1990 01:31:57,316 --> 01:32:00,252 At age 86, Jonathan no longer had the stamina 1991 01:32:00,352 --> 01:32:03,222 for what turned out to be 20 hours of travel. 1992 01:32:03,322 --> 01:32:05,858 He arrived completely worn out. 1993 01:32:05,958 --> 01:32:07,726 - I knew at that time 1994 01:32:07,826 --> 01:32:11,764 that I was going to be watchful for John, 1995 01:32:11,864 --> 01:32:14,867 and to make sure if we stepped off a curb 1996 01:32:14,967 --> 01:32:17,603 I had my hand there to help to get down. 1997 01:32:17,703 --> 01:32:20,239 But anyway, we end up over there, 1998 01:32:20,339 --> 01:32:22,674 meeting Tim and Johnny 1999 01:32:22,775 --> 01:32:24,176 and they couldn't have been nicer. 2000 01:32:24,276 --> 01:32:26,578 The only experience that was difficult was 2001 01:32:26,678 --> 01:32:31,550 no one was communicating exactly what it was we were doing there. 2002 01:32:31,650 --> 01:32:32,851 [chuckles] 2003 01:32:32,951 --> 01:32:35,320 Why we were there. 2004 01:32:35,421 --> 01:32:38,557 Besides sitting around in a dressing room, 2005 01:32:38,657 --> 01:32:41,427 um, and observing. 2006 01:32:41,527 --> 01:32:43,362 - [V/O] They finally filmed a\ scene in which Barnabas 2007 01:32:43,462 --> 01:32:45,931 greets the quartet arriving as party guests 2008 01:32:46,031 --> 01:32:47,733 in the doorway of Collinwood. 2009 01:32:47,833 --> 01:32:50,369 After three takes Jonathan was exhausted 2010 01:32:50,469 --> 01:32:52,438 and had to rest in his dressing room. 2011 01:32:52,538 --> 01:32:55,307 Later, he caught the next flight back to Toronto. 2012 01:32:55,741 --> 01:32:58,911 - I heard rumors that there was a movie in 2012, 2013 01:32:59,011 --> 01:33:00,646 that was made by Tim Burton, 2014 01:33:00,746 --> 01:33:02,714 who I've admired as a filmmaker. 2015 01:33:02,815 --> 01:33:05,451 They say Johnny Depp was in it as Barnabas Collins, 2016 01:33:05,551 --> 01:33:08,387 but it doesn't really exist in my world. 2017 01:33:09,888 --> 01:33:11,924 - The character of Barnabas 2018 01:33:13,292 --> 01:33:15,661 just did not work. 2019 01:33:16,495 --> 01:33:25,104 And you could not put that character into a lid 2020 01:33:25,204 --> 01:33:28,107 with Jonathan Frid 2021 01:33:28,207 --> 01:33:30,242 doing Barnabas. 2022 01:33:42,721 --> 01:33:46,792 - I saw John a week before he died. 2023 01:33:46,892 --> 01:33:48,694 Um, he had a fall. 2024 01:33:48,794 --> 01:33:53,866 It appeared to me that he had a pretty serious concussion. 2025 01:33:53,966 --> 01:33:56,768 But we chatted and we talked and talked about 2026 01:33:56,869 --> 01:33:58,937 the festival coming up, 2027 01:33:59,037 --> 01:34:01,240 and the plans. 2028 01:34:01,340 --> 01:34:05,377 Um, and... 2029 01:34:05,477 --> 01:34:06,478 I knew at that point 2030 01:34:06,578 --> 01:34:09,314 that I was not going to see him alive again. 2031 01:34:09,414 --> 01:34:12,451 - Uncle John never wanted to have a fuss made over him 2032 01:34:12,551 --> 01:34:16,155 alive and certainly after he passed. 2033 01:34:16,255 --> 01:34:19,124 He would not want a fuss made over him either. 2034 01:34:19,224 --> 01:34:21,793 So we got together at one of his favorite restaurants 2035 01:34:21,894 --> 01:34:22,995 In Lancaster. 2036 01:34:23,095 --> 01:34:24,563 We didn't involve a lot of people. 2037 01:34:24,663 --> 01:34:27,833 Only the inner circle of family and friends. 2038 01:34:27,933 --> 01:34:30,335 - When Jonathan passed away in April of 2012, 2039 01:34:30,435 --> 01:34:33,505 his family was rather surprised to learn in the will 2040 01:34:33,605 --> 01:34:35,807 that he had left the bulk of his estate 2041 01:34:35,908 --> 01:34:37,843 to the Hamilton Community Foundation. 2042 01:34:37,943 --> 01:34:40,479 - We are the oldest and largest of the community foundations 2043 01:34:40,579 --> 01:34:41,346 in Ontario. 2044 01:34:41,446 --> 01:34:45,617 Among the founding directors was H.P. Frid 2045 01:34:45,717 --> 01:34:50,022 and our foundation really was the vision of a group 2046 01:34:50,122 --> 01:34:53,292 of old industrialists in Hamilton, including Mr. Frid 2047 01:34:53,392 --> 01:34:55,027 to leave a legacy. 2048 01:34:55,127 --> 01:34:56,762 That they knew that they had done 2049 01:34:56,862 --> 01:34:58,730 remarkably well here financially. 2050 01:34:58,830 --> 01:35:00,265 They had a deep sense of commitment 2051 01:35:00,365 --> 01:35:02,634 to the place that had given them their start. 2052 01:35:02,734 --> 01:35:05,571 And Mrs. Frid, in fact, was a director, 2053 01:35:05,671 --> 01:35:08,273 and active board member in the 1960s. 2054 01:35:08,941 --> 01:35:12,010 John had a wide range of interests, 2055 01:35:12,110 --> 01:35:14,046 and causes that he supported, 2056 01:35:14,146 --> 01:35:16,682 and through his legacy, continues to support. 2057 01:35:16,782 --> 01:35:20,052 Beginning with Hillfield the school which he attended, 2058 01:35:20,152 --> 01:35:22,020 with his passion for the arts. 2059 01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:25,190 But he also was deeply dedicated to eduction, 2060 01:35:25,290 --> 01:35:26,858 to poverty, to the environment. 2061 01:35:26,959 --> 01:35:30,596 And so if you look at the range of causes that he supported, 2062 01:35:30,696 --> 01:35:34,967 it is extraordinarily wide and deep, 2063 01:35:35,067 --> 01:35:37,636 and he was very thoughtful about the difference 2064 01:35:37,736 --> 01:35:38,604 he wanted to make. 2065 01:35:38,704 --> 01:35:43,041 - And I thought he was a very charming, gentle man. 2066 01:35:43,141 --> 01:35:45,444 - And a great thing about Jonathan was, 2067 01:35:45,544 --> 01:35:47,946 he was fearless, he would do anything. 2068 01:35:48,046 --> 01:35:49,481 He just loved the theater. 2069 01:35:49,581 --> 01:35:52,784 - You couldn't work with the better person, 2070 01:35:52,884 --> 01:35:54,553 and a kinder person. 2071 01:35:54,653 --> 01:35:56,955 - He never played the star. Nothing like that. 2072 01:35:57,055 --> 01:36:01,893 He was the most down to earth, and lovable, funny guy. 2073 01:36:01,994 --> 01:36:04,263 Very dedicated, very professional. 2074 01:36:04,363 --> 01:36:06,665 He was super to work with. 2075 01:36:06,765 --> 01:36:08,734 - I really enjoyed Jonathan. 2076 01:36:08,834 --> 01:36:11,003 I enjoyed him very much, 2077 01:36:11,103 --> 01:36:14,072 because he was a kind soul. 2078 01:36:14,172 --> 01:36:17,509 And also, he was a very hard worker. 2079 01:36:17,609 --> 01:36:21,847 Um, Shakespeare didn't intimidate him. 2080 01:36:21,947 --> 01:36:24,149 He was at home with Shakespeare, 2081 01:36:24,249 --> 01:36:26,318 and he enjoyed playing it, 2082 01:36:26,418 --> 01:36:28,553 and he enjoyed acting in it. 2083 01:36:28,654 --> 01:36:31,723 And I can tell you, I was very lucky in my lifetime 2084 01:36:31,823 --> 01:36:36,094 to have worked with a person as knowledgeable, 2085 01:36:36,194 --> 01:36:39,164 and as loving, and caring as Jonathan. 2086 01:36:39,731 --> 01:36:41,166 So that's it. 2087 01:36:41,867 --> 01:36:44,503 - Jonathan told me to believe in myself, 2088 01:36:44,603 --> 01:36:47,839 and that I could do anything that I wanted to do. 2089 01:36:47,939 --> 01:36:49,841 And I believed him. 2090 01:36:49,941 --> 01:36:53,045 And in believing him, I believed in myself. 2091 01:36:53,945 --> 01:36:56,448 And the only thing I can say is, thank you, Jonathan, 2092 01:36:56,548 --> 01:36:58,350 and I miss you. 2093 01:36:59,685 --> 01:37:01,787 - We respected each other, 2094 01:37:01,887 --> 01:37:04,389 we collaborated, 2095 01:37:04,489 --> 01:37:06,325 and when the work was done, it was done. 2096 01:37:06,425 --> 01:37:09,528 And I'll never forget him. 2097 01:37:10,829 --> 01:37:14,466 You know, I'll never be able to thank him, 2098 01:37:14,566 --> 01:37:20,972 and Mary for, you know, what they did for me. 2099 01:37:21,073 --> 01:37:25,310 Um, and I'm just... very lucky. 2100 01:37:27,145 --> 01:37:30,582 - He was somebody that had a quiet dignity about him. 2101 01:37:30,682 --> 01:37:33,919 And I think he had learned through his upbringing. 2102 01:37:34,019 --> 01:37:36,922 He treated everybody with respect and kindness. 2103 01:37:37,022 --> 01:37:38,423 I felt lucky to know him. 2104 01:37:38,523 --> 01:37:41,626 He was truly an extraordinary human being. 2105 01:37:41,727 --> 01:37:47,299 - There was not a single instant ever, 2106 01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:55,974 in our relationship that was anything but "How are you, 2107 01:37:56,074 --> 01:37:57,409 dear friend?" 2108 01:37:58,110 --> 01:38:00,879 We got along from the very first moment, 2109 01:38:00,979 --> 01:38:03,148 and we never let go of that. 2110 01:38:03,248 --> 01:38:03,949 Never. 2111 01:38:04,049 --> 01:38:07,452 And I was always thankful for him, 2112 01:38:07,552 --> 01:38:11,189 that he welcomed me with open arms. 2113 01:38:11,990 --> 01:38:14,459 And we continued that friendship, 2114 01:38:14,559 --> 01:38:16,194 right straight through. 2115 01:38:16,428 --> 01:38:20,132 - You know, he was a class act. 2116 01:38:20,232 --> 01:38:21,767 God. 2117 01:38:21,867 --> 01:38:24,369 - Our revels now are ended. 2118 01:38:26,338 --> 01:38:29,941 These are actors, as I foretold you, 2119 01:38:30,041 --> 01:38:34,045 were all spirits, and are melted into air, 2120 01:38:34,146 --> 01:38:36,948 into thin air. 2121 01:38:38,517 --> 01:38:41,720 And like the baseless fabric of this vision, 2122 01:38:41,820 --> 01:38:45,891 the cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, 2123 01:38:45,991 --> 01:38:49,861 the solemn temples, the great globe itself, 2124 01:38:50,362 --> 01:38:54,266 yea, all which inherit, shall dissolve. 2125 01:38:54,366 --> 01:38:57,469 And like this insubstantial pageant faded, 2126 01:38:57,569 --> 01:39:00,071 leave not a rack behind. 2127 01:39:01,807 --> 01:39:05,777 We are such stuff as dreams are made on, 2128 01:39:05,877 --> 01:39:09,381 and are little life is rounded with a sleep. 2129 01:39:11,883 --> 01:39:14,386 [dramatic stringed music] ♪♪ 2130 01:39:29,468 --> 01:39:32,871 - Um, what was your very first Dark Shadows audition like? 2131 01:39:32,971 --> 01:39:34,840 - I went into this room and there were a whole 2132 01:39:34,940 --> 01:39:37,609 bunch of people, all kind of creepy looking, 2133 01:39:37,709 --> 01:39:39,010 [audience laughing] 2134 01:39:39,110 --> 01:39:40,946 And I thought, "Oh, I don't have a chance here." 2135 01:39:41,046 --> 01:39:42,814 Ho, ho. ho. 2136 01:39:42,914 --> 01:39:44,049 But apparently to them, 2137 01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:45,584 I was the creepiest of the bunch. 2138 01:39:45,684 --> 01:39:47,352 [audience laughing] 2139 01:39:47,452 --> 01:39:49,821 [dramatic music] ♪♪ 2140 01:39:57,295 --> 01:40:00,398 - John was always very, very funny about the irony 2141 01:40:00,499 --> 01:40:05,604 of this man who sent out to be perhaps an American Olivier, 2142 01:40:05,704 --> 01:40:07,706 and became a bat. 2143 01:40:07,806 --> 01:40:10,141 [dramatic music continues] ♪♪ 165481

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