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[knocking]
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- Yes?
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- I'd like to see Mrs. Stoddard,
if you'd be so kind.
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- Mrs. Stoddard.
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- This is Collinwood, isn't it?
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- Yes.
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- And the mistress here is
Mrs. Elizabeth Collins Stoddard,
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is she not?
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- Yes.
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- Then perhaps you'd do me
the courtesy
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to inform Mrs. Stoddard
that her cousin is calling
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and wishes to pay his respects.
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- Her... her cousin?
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- Yes, her cousin from England.
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- From England.
Oh, please come in.
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- I'd be delighted, thank you.
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[doors click shut]
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- Oh, would you like to wait
in the drawing room?
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- Here will be fine, thank you.
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Oh, madam...
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if you would,
you may tell her that it's
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Barnabas Collins.
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[eerie music]
♪♪
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[uptempo stringed music]
♪♪
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Go.
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You also allowed
your friend Jason
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to follow you to the cemetery.
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♪♪
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You're were cold.
- No.
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No!
- You deserve to die!
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[woman screaming]
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- No!
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[woman screaming]
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[light piano music]
♪♪
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- [V/O] Actors never know
what role
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might make them famous.
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One of the great ironies
of 20th century pop culture
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is that a classically trained
Canadian actor
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took America by storm,
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with his portrayal of
a 175 year old vampire.
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The show was Dark Shadows.
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Saved from cancellation in 1967
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when it introduced Shakespearean
actor Jonathan Frid
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into the story line
as Barnabas Collins.
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Multimedia's first
sympathetic vampire.
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The iconic image of Frid
as Barnabas Collins,
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adorned comic books
and paperback gothic novels,
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bubble gun cards
and even a board game
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complete with coffin.
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- He plays Barnabas Collins.
Here's Jonathan Frid.
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[audience applause]
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- [V/O] He appeared on
Merv Griffin, Mike Douglas,
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Dick Cavett
and The Tonight Show.
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No television show seemed safe
from the vampire's shadow.
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[audience cheering]
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- And might I remind you,
it's one question at a time.
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I'll give you two minutes to
try and establish the identity
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of our mystery guest.
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[audience cheering]
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And we're begging the
questioning with Arlene Francis.
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- I never heard
such a happy audience.
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Uh... and it sounded like
a lot of young voices.
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Are you particularly appealing
to the young?
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- Yes.
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[audience cheers]
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- [V/O] Overnight,
Frid became rock star famous
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with screaming teenagers
thronging
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to his personal appearances
like he was one of the Beatles.
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Today, five decades after
Dark Shadows went off the air,
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in April 1971,
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the show is still a pop culture
touchstone.
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But what was the appeal
of Barnabas Collins,
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and who's the man
behind the vampire's cloak?
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- Night is drawing nearer
and nearer to Collinwood.
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And the man who disappeared
into another night
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has not been found.
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But out of the falling dusk
another man has come.
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A stranger
who is not a stranger.
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A man with a face
who is long familiar
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to those who live at Collinwood.
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A man who has come
a great distance.
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But who still bears
deep within him
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a soul shaped by the far country
from country from which he came.
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- Where's your home, Jonathan?
Originally?
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- I'm from Hamilton,
Ontario Canada.
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[audience applauds]
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I didn't know
you had so many Canadian's.
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- [V/O] John Herbert Frid
was born on December 2nd, 1924.
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The third and youngest son
of Flora McGregor
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and Herbert Percival Frid.
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The family owned and operated
Frid Construction.
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One of the leading construction
firms in Hamilton.
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The Frid family also supported
the development of parks
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and green spaces
throughout the city
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and neighboring communities.
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- I knew H.P. a little bit
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as he passed away when
I was about seven years old,
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but I do remember him.
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Very quiet, laid-back,
very gentle man.
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- My grandfather
and then my father
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who took over the
construction company,
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were the business men,
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and my grandmother
was the P.R. person.
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She would entertain
all of the clients.
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She was the life of the party.
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The belle of the ball.
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- [V/O] Jonathan and his
brothers spent summers
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at his maternal grandparent's
sprawling estate in Waterdale.
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It was called the Clunes.
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Named after his grandmother's
childhood home in Scotland.
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The property included a pond,
and seven cottages.
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While his mother Flora
hosted garden parties,
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Jonathan enjoyed recreational
time with his cousins,
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away from his rigorous studies
at school.
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- The first time I was ever
nervous of acting
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was simply getting up
in the aisle in school
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and having to recite
a poem in class,
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and I would shake with...
shiver, fear.
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- [V/O] Jonathan's early
education took place at
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Hillfield School.
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An all boys preparatory school.
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Jonathan struggled
academically at Hillfield,
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which caused lingering feelings
of low self esteem.
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Both Jonathan and his brother
Ken suffered from dyslexia,
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which was not properly
understood at the time.
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- I was sixteen.
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I begged to be in
the senior play,
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because usually the only people
that were in it
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were drafted into it.
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Because they were in the top six
smart students in the class.
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The top-- The top two classes.
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And of course,
I was never in the top six.
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However, they tested me
and gave me the roll
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as Sir Anthony Absolute
in Sheridan's The Rivals.
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We used to rehearse those things
for six to eight weeks.
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And I don't think I did any
studying at all for those weeks.
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All I did was to perfect--
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To get that roll down
to such perfection.
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- [V/O] Jonathan spent so much
time working on The Rivals,
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he failed two subjects.
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Which meant he would have
to repeat his Junior year
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at Hillfield.
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Instead, he moved to
Westdale Collegiate
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for his Senior year
of high school.
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There he was cast as
King Charles II
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in a comedy entitled, So To Bed,
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but he also began to look
for other opportunities
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to be on stage.
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- We're at The Players' Guild
of Hamilton.
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And I, at this point in time,
run the costume department
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in this theater.
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Jonathan enjoyed
a wonderful few years here.
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He was seventeen years old
when he first came to the Guild.
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Gladys Gillian was the director
that really caught
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Jonathan Frid's imagination,
and helped him
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to further hone his abilities
on the stage.
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She was an American.
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Her stories about New York
probably planted the seeds
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for Jonathan's decision
a little later in life
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to go to the States.
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Jonathan went to
McMaster University.
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He belonged to the drama club,
of course.
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He decided to call Gladys,
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because he had such a good
experience with her
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at The Players' Guild.
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And he invited her to direct
a couple of plays at McMaster.
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The Royal Family and
The Barrett's of Wimpole Street.
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- [V/O] Jonathan's years
at McMaster were interrupted
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by World War II.
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All three Frid brothers
entered the armed forces.
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Jonathan insisted
in the Royal Canadian Navy 1944,
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where he was assigned
to the H.M.C.S Algonquin.
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Fortunately, the Japanese
surrendered
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before Jonathan
would see combat.
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Jonathan returned to McMaster
where he would become
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drama club president
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and graduated
with the university's
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Honor Society Award for drama.
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- Then I went to England
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and I studied
at the Royal Academy.
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I didn't complete
my course there.
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You know how people are
when they're young,
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they can't wait
to start working.
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And I went into repertoire
down in Kent,
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and another repertoire
company in Cornwall.
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And I finally did a national
tour of a West End success
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called The Third Visitor,
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in which I played
an American gangster.
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- [V/O] While in England
following a performance of
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Venus Observed in the West End,
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Jonathan met the actor
he admired most,
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Laurence Olivier.
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Olivier counseled
the young actor to correct
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any technical flaws
in his diction.
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An essential accomplishment
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for an actor serious
about the classics.
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Jonathan took Olivier's advice
to heart.
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Jonathan returned to Canada
and ventured to Toronto
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looking to start his theatrical
career in earnest.
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He made his Shakespearean debut
during the summer of 1951
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at the Toronto
Shakespeare festival,
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directed and produced
by Earl Gray.
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Eager to enhance
his vocal strength
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for the great Shakespearean
roles,
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he attended voices classes
at Lorne Greene's
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Academy of Radio Arts.
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Practice sessions included
tongue twister poetry.
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- The teeny tine woman
opened the teeny tiny gate,
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and went into a teeny tiny
church yard,
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and when this tiny tiny woman
had gotten into
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the tiny tiny church yard
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she saw a teeny tiny bone
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on a teeny tiny grave.
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There once were two cats
at Kilkenny.
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Each thought there was one cat
too many,
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so they fought, and they fit,
and thy scratched, and they bit,
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till, excepting their nails,
and the tips of their tails,
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instead of two cats,
there weren't any.
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- Jonathan came back
to the area.
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He was part of a production
called Asleep of Prisoners.
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The production fascinated him
because it was held in a church.
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Centenary United Church
right down town,
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in the middle of all the hustle
and bustle of Hamilton.
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1954 saw Jonathan involved
in the Dominion Drama Festival.
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The Dominion Drama Festival
was actually an organization
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made up of a number
of other smaller festivals.
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The one that Hamilton
belonged in was
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the Western Ontario
Drama League. WODL.
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And he was in Rebecca
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and they went to the WODL level,
and performed very well.
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Were called "Best Play",
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and Jonathan Frid
got a mention for his portrayal.
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And they went from there
as the best of that festival
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to the Dominion Drama Festival.
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They found themselves
in a 2000 seat theater.
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The Palace Theater
in downtown Hamilton.
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It was unfortunate
in many respects
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because a number of actors
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finding themselves
in this huge house,
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with this great expanse of stage
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started shouting their lines.
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The critics were not amused.
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Jonathan was mortified that
Rebecca was not received better
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after its performance
at the Palace Theater.
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It's a shame because it's
probably one of the last
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times that he actually
performed up here
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before he made the decision
to go to the States.
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- I wanted to be a director
at one point in my life,
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so I went down
to the Yale drama school
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and took directing there.
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And uh...
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But I've never directed yet
professionally,
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but I want to do it someday.
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- I met Jonathan Frid
at the Yale School of Drama,
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where we were all students
there together.
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And he was kinda awesome
in the sense of a presence
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that he had.
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It was like meeting an actor
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from the Royal Shakespeare
Company in terms
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of the kind of quality he had
of dignity and class, basically.
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- When I was at Yale
there was a guy
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whose name I'd heard
before I ever met him.
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Uh, John Frid.
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And actors...
some of them had funny stories
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about him and...
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I think everybody liked
John Frid.
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And Jonathan was kind of
a classical actor, really,
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when I first knew him.
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He would be in Shakespeare
and so on.
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Excellent, versatile actor.
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- You had to act.
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If you were going to be
a director, you have to know
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what the emotional
and psychological process
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of an actor is.
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To be able to communicate
with them and help them.
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- [V/O] After completing
the first year
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of his Masters program,
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Jonathan was chosen
to be a leading actor
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for the inaugural season
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of the Williamstown
Theatre Festival,
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in Williamstown Massachusetts.
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Jonathan would appear in eight
of the ten plays,
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presented in just ten weeks.
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It was a grueling schedule,
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but he never the less
found it exhilarating.
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When the summer season ended,
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he headed back to New Haven
for his second year at Yale.
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- Directors had to cover
all fields
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from acting to knowing
the physics of lighting.
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And we had to do ground plans,
elevations for stage design,
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we had to do all these things.
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And so it was really kinda of
a marvelous three years for me.
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And I'll always be grateful
for Yale.
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- [V/O] After receiving high
praise for his portrayal
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of Tulus Ophedius
in Shakespeare's Coriolanus
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at Yale.
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Jonathan was invited to join
the acting company
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of the American
Shakespeare Festival
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at Stratford Connecticut.
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For two consecutive
summer seasons,
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Jonathan was thrilled to have
the opportunity to work
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with a number
of distinguished actors,
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such as Alfred Drake
and Katharine Hepburn.
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- I was in a production
of Othello with him
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at the Stratford Connecticut
Shakespeare festival,
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and Jonathan came on
as a vigorous soldier,
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sword at his side,
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got to the center of the stage,
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and delivered
the first three lines
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from The Merchant of Venice.
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He realized he was in
the wrong play,
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made a sharp right,
stumbled a little,
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went to the edge of the stage
to leave.
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And the set in those days,
if you can picture this,
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was called the Venetian Blinds,
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they went all the way up
to the ceiling.
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Jonathan in his turn
to exit, crashed [laughing]
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into the nearest Venetian blind
and tried to get away from it,
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but his sword
had gone in between
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the two close together
slats there,
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and he couldn't jerk it loose.
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So I think he finally let it
pull out and hang there,
325
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and went off stage.
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Somehow, they got on
with the rest of the play.
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[laughing] Later he said,
"I just don't know what happens
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with me."
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- [V/O] Jonathan joined Hepburn
and other members
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of the American
Shakespeare Festival
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following his graduation
from Yale.
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On a national tour
of Much Ado About Nothing.
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When the tour concluded,
Jonathan settled into
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an apartment near
Washington Square Park
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in New York City.
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Despite his interest
in directing and teaching,
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Jonathan's passion was to act.
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- George Rufhogan and I
co-produced The Goal
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in which Jonathan Frid was in.
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It was our first show
off Broadway.
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Jonathan played the antagonist,
though he had that
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esthetic weight.
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He had a gravitas, you know.
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Which was electrifying on stage.
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He drew you in.
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- "Dear Mother and Dad,
347
00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,882
"while the press have been
most favorable
348
00:16:18,982 --> 00:16:20,350
"for Moon in the Yellow River,
349
00:16:20,450 --> 00:16:22,319
"the public response has not.
350
00:16:22,419 --> 00:16:24,955
"In fact, it has gone from bad
to worse.
351
00:16:25,055 --> 00:16:27,724
"Last week our closing notice
went up.
352
00:16:27,824 --> 00:16:29,926
"And so the unemployment
situation throughout
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the nation will be worsened
come next Sunday.?"
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00:16:33,797 --> 00:16:35,365
"Dear Mother and Dad,
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00:16:35,465 --> 00:16:37,868
"last week I was called to read
for the roll of Ronny
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00:16:37,968 --> 00:16:41,004
"in the Broadway production
of A Passage to India.
357
00:16:41,104 --> 00:16:42,906
"While the audition
went brilliantly,
358
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"I think I gave the most
flawless reading of my career.
359
00:16:45,976 --> 00:16:47,944
"The producers showed
great interest in me
360
00:16:48,044 --> 00:16:48,945
"after it was over.
361
00:16:49,045 --> 00:16:50,847
"I answered their questions
precisely
362
00:16:50,947 --> 00:16:54,518
and for once in my life,
I didn't talk too much."
363
00:16:54,784 --> 00:16:56,386
"Today the readings
were transferred to
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"the Winter Garden Theatre.
365
00:16:58,221 --> 00:16:59,689
"What a difference
this always makes
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"from the comfortable
circumstances of a private room.
367
00:17:03,059 --> 00:17:05,095
"Each of us read very briefly.
368
00:17:05,195 --> 00:17:06,563
"One is cut off all too soon.
369
00:17:06,663 --> 00:17:07,597
"No chance to get going,
370
00:17:07,697 --> 00:17:10,066
"only sound quality
they want to see.
371
00:17:10,166 --> 00:17:11,535
"And so you walk offstage,
372
00:17:11,635 --> 00:17:13,503
"the half smile
to the stage manager.
373
00:17:13,603 --> 00:17:14,771
"And a feeble, 'Thank you'.
374
00:17:14,871 --> 00:17:17,340
"And then a stupid,
insincere, 'Good luck',
375
00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,075
"to the others you would
rather see dead
376
00:17:19,175 --> 00:17:21,144
"as you grab your coat
and loose yourself
377
00:17:21,244 --> 00:17:22,979
in the crowded street."
378
00:17:23,246 --> 00:17:25,682
"Well the roll in
Passage to India
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00:17:25,782 --> 00:17:27,717
"finally went to well known
actor about town
380
00:17:27,817 --> 00:17:30,186
"called Louis Edmonds.
381
00:17:30,287 --> 00:17:31,922
"It was a sad miss.
382
00:17:32,022 --> 00:17:34,891
I think the biggest
disappointment to date."
383
00:17:36,092 --> 00:17:38,595
- Why did he become an actor?
Why did he become a director?
384
00:17:38,695 --> 00:17:41,364
It's obviously something
that dare possess
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00:17:41,464 --> 00:17:42,966
to share with the world.
386
00:17:43,066 --> 00:17:44,467
Why would you put up
with all the stuff
387
00:17:44,568 --> 00:17:45,569
that you have to put up with?
388
00:17:45,669 --> 00:17:48,271
Unless there's something
that obsess you,
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00:17:48,371 --> 00:17:50,040
that you want to say and share
390
00:17:50,140 --> 00:17:52,342
and that you have to do.
391
00:17:52,842 --> 00:17:55,011
And uh...
392
00:17:55,111 --> 00:17:57,280
You know, being an actor,
393
00:17:59,182 --> 00:18:00,917
you have to share your soul.
394
00:18:01,651 --> 00:18:04,020
- "I took my first Broadway bow
last Thursday night
395
00:18:04,120 --> 00:18:06,590
"after going on for an actor
I was covering.
396
00:18:06,690 --> 00:18:09,793
"After four performances
I feel like a veteran.
397
00:18:09,893 --> 00:18:12,929
"By then I was getting solid
laughs precisely timed.
398
00:18:13,029 --> 00:18:15,131
"As I came off the stage
Saturday night,
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00:18:15,231 --> 00:18:16,700
"Betsy Palmer said,
400
00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,836
"'You were just plain
brilliant tonight. '
401
00:18:19,936 --> 00:18:21,605
"Naturally, I felt glorious.
402
00:18:21,705 --> 00:18:24,975
A moment in which a life long
dream was achieved."
403
00:18:25,976 --> 00:18:27,110
"Dear Mother and Dad,
404
00:18:27,210 --> 00:18:28,278
"after a month or two,
405
00:18:28,378 --> 00:18:30,113
"which seem to be
stage hard times,
406
00:18:30,213 --> 00:18:32,148
"I'm back in business
with contracts signed
407
00:18:32,248 --> 00:18:34,084
"for what could be
a comfortably long stay
408
00:18:34,184 --> 00:18:36,820
"at the Phoenix Theatre
in Henry iv, Part 2,
409
00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,121
"which I am now rehearsing.
410
00:18:38,221 --> 00:18:40,290
"I've only two scenes,
but they are good ones.
411
00:18:40,390 --> 00:18:42,959
"I'm playing Scroop,
Archbishop of York.
412
00:18:43,059 --> 00:18:44,995
"Also, in May I will be
taking over the roll
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00:18:45,095 --> 00:18:47,564
"of the Earl of Worcester,
in Henry IV, Part 1.
414
00:18:47,664 --> 00:18:49,966
"A somewhat larger part,
Worcester is the leader
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00:18:50,066 --> 00:18:52,102
of the apposing forces
to the king."
416
00:18:52,202 --> 00:18:54,137
[horn music]
♪♪
417
00:18:58,174 --> 00:19:00,910
- Oh no, my nephew
must not know Sir Richard
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00:19:01,011 --> 00:19:02,912
the liberal and kind
author of the king.
419
00:19:03,013 --> 00:19:05,281
- For best you did!
- Then have we all undone?
420
00:19:05,382 --> 00:19:06,950
It is not possible.
It cannot be that king
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00:19:07,050 --> 00:19:08,451
should keep his word
in loving us.
422
00:19:08,551 --> 00:19:10,153
He will suspect us still.
423
00:19:10,253 --> 00:19:12,622
And find a time to punish
his offense and other folds.
424
00:19:12,722 --> 00:19:14,157
Therefore, good cousin,
425
00:19:14,257 --> 00:19:17,394
let knot Harry know in any case
the offer of the king.
426
00:19:18,695 --> 00:19:20,096
- Deliver what you will,
I will take the fall.
427
00:19:20,196 --> 00:19:22,932
- My uncle has returned.
Uncle, what news?
428
00:19:23,033 --> 00:19:25,602
- The king will big you
battle presently.
429
00:19:26,503 --> 00:19:28,571
- Defy him!
- There's no seeming mercy
in the king.
430
00:19:28,672 --> 00:19:29,906
- Did you beg, God forbid.
431
00:19:30,006 --> 00:19:32,208
- The Prince of Wales
stepped forth before the king,
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00:19:32,308 --> 00:19:35,779
and nephew, challenged you
to single fight.
433
00:19:36,579 --> 00:19:39,816
- Oh, what the quarrel
lay upon our heads,
434
00:19:39,916 --> 00:19:42,419
and that no man might draw
short breath today.
435
00:19:42,519 --> 00:19:44,654
But I and Harry Monmouth.
436
00:19:44,754 --> 00:19:47,424
- [V/O] Following the broadcast
of Henry IV, Part 1,
437
00:19:47,524 --> 00:19:49,259
Jonathan took
his agent's advice,
438
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,495
and changed his stage name
from simple John Frid,
439
00:19:52,595 --> 00:19:55,065
to the more imposing
Jonathan Frid.
440
00:19:55,832 --> 00:19:57,000
- "Dear Mother and Dad,
441
00:19:57,100 --> 00:19:59,369
"good news this morning,
I was called to appear
442
00:19:59,469 --> 00:20:02,172
"on a couple of installments
on As The World Turns.
443
00:20:02,272 --> 00:20:03,373
"A soap opera.
444
00:20:03,473 --> 00:20:05,108
"I'm to play a psychiatrist.
445
00:20:05,208 --> 00:20:07,143
"The heroine is apparently
in a bad way.
446
00:20:07,243 --> 00:20:09,512
"Not unusual, I guess.
447
00:20:09,612 --> 00:20:12,282
I hope she gets worse,
and needs me often."
448
00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:16,286
- Now, I was sitting at home
while I was watching this.
449
00:20:16,386 --> 00:20:18,655
I'd never been on a soap
before at this point.
450
00:20:18,755 --> 00:20:22,692
The wife has been very ill,
and the husband said to her,
451
00:20:22,792 --> 00:20:26,696
"Look, I've called this doctor
to come and see you,
452
00:20:26,796 --> 00:20:27,997
he's a psychiatrist."
453
00:20:28,098 --> 00:20:29,933
"I don't want to see
any psychiatrist!"
454
00:20:30,033 --> 00:20:35,004
So, he said, "Oh, but he's on
his way over here right now."
455
00:20:35,105 --> 00:20:36,906
Good God, I'm supposed to be
down at the studio!
456
00:20:37,006 --> 00:20:38,608
He's coming right now.
457
00:20:38,708 --> 00:20:41,244
That's how naive I was.
[chuckles]
458
00:20:41,344 --> 00:20:43,546
So finally,
when I got that settled,
459
00:20:43,646 --> 00:20:45,281
I think I called them
and they said,
460
00:20:45,381 --> 00:20:48,251
"You're not on for a while.
Relax."
461
00:20:48,952 --> 00:20:51,221
- We're on the verge
of this period,
462
00:20:51,321 --> 00:20:53,623
going into the Kennedy
administration,
463
00:20:53,723 --> 00:20:56,459
where culture was like
the hula hoop
464
00:20:56,559 --> 00:20:58,995
for a moment of the times.
465
00:20:59,095 --> 00:21:01,865
And the Ford Foundation,
and the Rockefeller Foundation,
466
00:21:01,965 --> 00:21:03,466
and the National Endowment
for the Arts.
467
00:21:03,566 --> 00:21:06,870
Then eventually state government
started funding
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00:21:06,970 --> 00:21:08,838
non-profit theaters
throughout the country,
469
00:21:08,938 --> 00:21:12,408
so that cities would have
their own theater companies
470
00:21:12,509 --> 00:21:16,312
doing the great works instead
of just getting Broadway shows
471
00:21:16,412 --> 00:21:19,315
that were touring in
or out of New York.
472
00:21:19,415 --> 00:21:22,652
That changed things
in the American theater.
473
00:21:22,752 --> 00:21:25,288
- They gave audiences
around the country
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00:21:25,388 --> 00:21:29,993
a chance to come and see
professional actors
475
00:21:30,093 --> 00:21:31,427
doing these plays
476
00:21:31,528 --> 00:21:36,533
and that helped spread theater
around the country.
477
00:21:38,001 --> 00:21:41,104
- The regional theaters
began to pick me up,
478
00:21:41,204 --> 00:21:44,808
and ask me to come out,
and offer me nice spots.
479
00:21:44,908 --> 00:21:47,177
Out there in the field
I had a wonderful time
480
00:21:47,277 --> 00:21:48,444
playing things out there.
481
00:21:48,545 --> 00:21:50,413
- I met Jonathan in the 60s,
482
00:21:50,513 --> 00:21:53,249
and he was an actor that
had been brought in
483
00:21:53,349 --> 00:21:57,120
to play the roll of
Oberon Tiresias,
484
00:21:57,220 --> 00:22:01,024
and I played Philostrate Puck.
485
00:22:01,124 --> 00:22:03,793
So my major scenes
were with Jonathan.
486
00:22:03,893 --> 00:22:06,429
The production
was Front Street Theater
487
00:22:06,529 --> 00:22:09,199
which was a regional theater
in the day,
488
00:22:09,299 --> 00:22:11,301
and it was in Memphis.
489
00:22:11,401 --> 00:22:14,737
- So I'm a young actor.
490
00:22:14,838 --> 00:22:19,409
I was about 28, I think.
In Philadelphia.
491
00:22:19,509 --> 00:22:22,445
I did two years at Arena Stage
in Washington D. C.
492
00:22:22,545 --> 00:22:25,215
Anyway, this company
that we assembled,
493
00:22:25,315 --> 00:22:28,918
there was this guy
with a great voice,
494
00:22:29,018 --> 00:22:31,054
and he can handle
classical material.
495
00:22:31,154 --> 00:22:33,223
He can handle words.
496
00:22:33,323 --> 00:22:37,160
So we did a play by Allen Wi
called Poor Bitos,
497
00:22:37,260 --> 00:22:40,830
and he was also in the Sheridan
that we did, The Critic.
498
00:22:40,930 --> 00:22:42,732
- [V/O] March, 1965.
499
00:22:42,832 --> 00:22:43,833
"Dear Mother and Dad,
500
00:22:43,933 --> 00:22:45,435
"I'm getting more
convinced than ever
501
00:22:45,535 --> 00:22:48,371
"that I'll probably make my mark
in this kind of theater.
502
00:22:48,471 --> 00:22:50,273
"Regional theater, Universities,
503
00:22:50,373 --> 00:22:52,275
"rather than in commercial
television.
504
00:22:52,375 --> 00:22:54,878
"I feel that I have a flare
for one and not the other.
505
00:22:54,978 --> 00:22:56,212
"The encouraging thing is,
506
00:22:56,312 --> 00:22:59,048
that there is so very much work
around the country these days."
507
00:22:59,148 --> 00:23:02,585
- The summer before that I had
played Coriolanus in San Diego.
508
00:23:02,685 --> 00:23:05,088
So they wanted me to come back,
and I thought that was great.
509
00:23:05,188 --> 00:23:09,392
I just said to John, "Do you
want to go to San Diego?"
510
00:23:09,492 --> 00:23:11,427
"Why not?
Who wouldn't want to?"
511
00:23:11,527 --> 00:23:12,428
So I called him, I said,
512
00:23:12,528 --> 00:23:14,063
"There's a guy here
you gotta see."
513
00:23:14,163 --> 00:23:15,598
"You gotta get him.
He's good.
514
00:23:15,698 --> 00:23:17,967
Get him before someone else
gets him."
515
00:23:18,067 --> 00:23:19,869
Jonathan Frid.
516
00:23:19,969 --> 00:23:22,472
So we did Romeo and Juliet.
517
00:23:22,572 --> 00:23:26,542
And then we went into rehearsal
for The Tempest.
518
00:23:26,643 --> 00:23:28,544
They had offered me Caliban.
519
00:23:28,645 --> 00:23:33,816
We had a read through,
and I pulled Jonathan aside,
520
00:23:33,917 --> 00:23:37,186
I said, "Jonathan,
you want to play Caliban?"
521
00:23:37,287 --> 00:23:39,589
He just lit up.
He said, "Yeah!"
522
00:23:39,689 --> 00:23:42,425
And so I told the head
of the theater,
523
00:23:42,525 --> 00:23:43,726
Craig Knoll at the time,
524
00:23:43,826 --> 00:23:46,930
I said, you know,
"I don't want to do Caliban,
525
00:23:47,030 --> 00:23:50,833
but I'll do Jonathan's Part,
and let Jonathan do Caliban."
526
00:23:50,934 --> 00:23:53,169
So everyone was okay with that.
527
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:57,774
- I was a young actor,
want to be actor in San Diego,
528
00:23:57,874 --> 00:24:01,144
and I went to see a production
of The Tempest,
529
00:24:01,244 --> 00:24:04,180
and I was taken
by this character.
530
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,915
By Caliban.
531
00:24:06,015 --> 00:24:09,919
This guy was passionate,
and just very theatrical,
532
00:24:10,019 --> 00:24:11,287
and you can understand him.
533
00:24:11,387 --> 00:24:13,990
And I still remember to this day
the performance.
534
00:24:14,090 --> 00:24:17,026
- He had a wonderful season
cuz he played Caliban,
535
00:24:17,126 --> 00:24:19,028
and he played the hell
out of him.
536
00:24:19,128 --> 00:24:23,166
So then, they asked me
to come back and do Iago.
537
00:24:23,266 --> 00:24:25,234
Which I definitely wanted to do,
538
00:24:25,335 --> 00:24:30,006
and I thought I'd see Jonathan
there, and that's it.
539
00:24:30,106 --> 00:24:31,874
"What happened?"
"Where's Jonathan?"
540
00:24:31,975 --> 00:24:36,012
They said, "Oh, he's doing
this TV thing."
541
00:24:36,112 --> 00:24:38,147
I said, "Jonathan gave up
Shakespeare
542
00:24:38,247 --> 00:24:40,583
to do some piece of TV?"
543
00:24:40,683 --> 00:24:42,118
"You gotta be kidding."
544
00:24:42,218 --> 00:24:45,555
And it was something called
Dark Shadows.
545
00:24:45,655 --> 00:24:47,724
And then the rest is history.
546
00:24:49,292 --> 00:24:53,029
- The plan was to cast a guy
that we were going to kill off
547
00:24:53,129 --> 00:24:55,598
in a very short period of time,
548
00:24:55,698 --> 00:24:58,134
but just try and make it
as scary as possible.
549
00:24:58,234 --> 00:25:01,838
- And I had just arrived home
from a national tour
550
00:25:01,938 --> 00:25:04,073
of Hostile Witness
with Ray Moran.
551
00:25:04,173 --> 00:25:06,609
I hadn't even dropped my bags
when the phone rang,
552
00:25:06,709 --> 00:25:10,380
and my agent said,
"They're looking for a vampire
553
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,282
for a soap opera called
Dark Shadows."
554
00:25:13,383 --> 00:25:16,352
And I thought,
"Well that's one for the books."
555
00:25:16,452 --> 00:25:19,689
We'll go and read for it
and see what happens.
556
00:25:19,789 --> 00:25:22,925
- I was going to London
and I left it up to my people
557
00:25:23,026 --> 00:25:27,497
to send me pictures
of actors that came in to read
558
00:25:27,597 --> 00:25:30,700
for the character of Barnabas.
559
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,268
And there was one photograph.
560
00:25:32,368 --> 00:25:37,273
There was a guy on a stage,
he was wearing a cape.
561
00:25:37,373 --> 00:25:38,708
And so [laughing] even though
562
00:25:38,808 --> 00:25:41,044
I could barely see
what he looked like,
563
00:25:41,144 --> 00:25:43,112
I called my casting guy,
564
00:25:43,212 --> 00:25:44,647
a guy by the name of Allen Shane,
565
00:25:44,747 --> 00:25:46,482
and I said, "Who is this guy?"
566
00:25:46,582 --> 00:25:48,718
And he said, "His name is
Jonathan Frid,
567
00:25:48,818 --> 00:25:51,187
he's a very fine
Shakespearean actor."
568
00:25:51,287 --> 00:25:52,822
"He's a Canadian."
569
00:25:52,922 --> 00:25:54,023
And I said, "He can really act,
right?"
570
00:25:54,123 --> 00:25:55,725
And he says,
"Oh, yes. He's wonderful."
571
00:25:55,825 --> 00:25:58,061
And I said,
"Alright, cast him."
572
00:25:58,161 --> 00:26:03,666
- And one day,
this coffin was opened
573
00:26:03,766 --> 00:26:05,401
by Willie Loomis,
574
00:26:05,501 --> 00:26:08,771
who turned into a grave robber,
575
00:26:09,272 --> 00:26:12,442
and he found the secret tomb
quite by accident.
576
00:26:12,542 --> 00:26:15,078
He was fascinated by the fact
that he saw this coffin
577
00:26:15,178 --> 00:26:16,546
with chains around it.
578
00:26:16,646 --> 00:26:19,415
When he opened the coffin,
a hand lunged out,
579
00:26:19,515 --> 00:26:21,484
and got him by the throat.
580
00:26:21,584 --> 00:26:24,220
A day or two later,
I made my first real appearance.
581
00:26:27,757 --> 00:26:30,893
- This is no way
to great a relative.
582
00:26:30,993 --> 00:26:32,595
Welcome to Collinwood.
583
00:26:32,929 --> 00:26:34,297
- Thank you, cousin.
584
00:26:34,397 --> 00:26:37,033
[eerie music]
♪♪
585
00:26:41,938 --> 00:26:44,574
- And when we put
the vampire on,
586
00:26:44,674 --> 00:26:45,541
forget it.
587
00:26:45,641 --> 00:26:49,679
I mean, the ratings went
through the roof.
588
00:26:49,779 --> 00:26:52,315
I have never seen anything
like this in my life.
589
00:26:52,415 --> 00:26:56,352
- What brought the audience
was Jonathan Frid,
590
00:26:56,452 --> 00:26:58,454
who played the vampire Barnabas.
591
00:26:58,554 --> 00:27:02,592
He chose to play him
not like a monster,
592
00:27:02,692 --> 00:27:04,827
but like a romantic hero
593
00:27:04,927 --> 00:27:08,631
who has been cursed
to have to be someone
594
00:27:08,731 --> 00:27:11,601
who drinks blood to stay alive.
595
00:27:11,701 --> 00:27:16,005
He was always tortured when
he had to look for a victim.
596
00:27:16,105 --> 00:27:21,711
You go through the throws of
just heart wrenching desolation.
597
00:27:21,811 --> 00:27:23,946
- Well then he became
a tragic figure.
598
00:27:24,046 --> 00:27:25,681
And then the women.
He--
599
00:27:25,781 --> 00:27:28,317
It just got crazier and crazier.
600
00:27:28,417 --> 00:27:31,587
We had to put on special people
to process the mail
601
00:27:31,687 --> 00:27:34,257
that used to come in
gigantic truck loads.
602
00:27:34,357 --> 00:27:36,559
- Meanwhile, I wasn't
at all satisfied
603
00:27:36,659 --> 00:27:37,827
with what I was doing
on the show.
604
00:27:37,927 --> 00:27:41,264
I was very nervous at first,
but...
605
00:27:41,364 --> 00:27:43,332
...somehow that played
into the roll.
606
00:27:44,233 --> 00:27:46,669
[eerie music]
♪♪
607
00:27:51,707 --> 00:27:53,809
I was a Collins.
608
00:27:53,910 --> 00:27:55,811
Why didn't you protect me?
609
00:27:56,846 --> 00:27:59,081
Where were you when I was
turned into something
610
00:27:59,182 --> 00:28:01,651
that even my own father loathed.
611
00:28:03,152 --> 00:28:07,456
If his ghost is here with yours,
tell him I've come home.
612
00:28:07,557 --> 00:28:11,027
I claim this house as mine.
613
00:28:11,127 --> 00:28:14,664
And whatever power you
or he may have is ended.
614
00:28:15,531 --> 00:28:18,701
I'm free now and alive.
615
00:28:18,801 --> 00:28:21,771
Chains with which he bound me
are broken,
616
00:28:22,371 --> 00:28:26,642
and I've returned to live
the life I never had.
617
00:28:32,582 --> 00:28:35,818
Whatever that may
turn out to be.
618
00:28:36,686 --> 00:28:39,021
[eerie music]
♪♪
619
00:28:39,121 --> 00:28:41,357
Then, when we went back
into the past,
620
00:28:41,457 --> 00:28:44,527
I played my pre-vampire days
when I was a hero.
621
00:28:44,627 --> 00:28:45,895
A good guy.
622
00:28:46,696 --> 00:28:48,631
- Is the price too high?
623
00:28:53,769 --> 00:28:56,706
- No price is too high
for Sara's life.
624
00:28:57,340 --> 00:29:02,144
- Then, if she lives
you will marry me.
625
00:29:02,245 --> 00:29:03,546
You will make me your wife.
626
00:29:03,646 --> 00:29:05,815
- I told you,
I'd do anything for you
627
00:29:05,915 --> 00:29:07,950
as long as you cure Sara.
628
00:29:08,050 --> 00:29:13,122
I've had many, many situations,
and many emotions,
629
00:29:13,222 --> 00:29:16,425
and many moods,
and many compulsions to play.
630
00:29:16,525 --> 00:29:19,195
- I'm right where
I very much want to be,
631
00:29:19,295 --> 00:29:21,030
in your arms.
632
00:29:21,163 --> 00:29:23,566
- I love you, Josette.
- And I love you,
633
00:29:23,666 --> 00:29:24,934
very much.
634
00:29:26,769 --> 00:29:29,238
- What we felt for each other,
we could not fight.
635
00:29:29,705 --> 00:29:31,274
- Then you will fight me.
636
00:29:33,175 --> 00:29:34,110
- No.
637
00:29:36,245 --> 00:29:37,446
- No!
638
00:29:38,748 --> 00:29:40,016
- You have your choice
of weapon.
639
00:29:40,116 --> 00:29:41,183
- You will not fight.
640
00:29:41,284 --> 00:29:46,922
- The course has made you
one of the living dead.
641
00:29:47,023 --> 00:29:50,192
- Then according to the curse,
you must die!
642
00:29:50,293 --> 00:29:51,560
- Barnabas, please!
643
00:29:51,661 --> 00:29:54,196
- Yes, my dear, Angelique.
- No! No!
644
00:29:54,297 --> 00:29:57,900
- All your powers of witchcraft
will not save you now.
645
00:30:00,536 --> 00:30:01,871
Sara, no.
646
00:30:06,709 --> 00:30:08,210
No.
647
00:30:08,778 --> 00:30:10,513
I mean, I played everything.
648
00:30:10,613 --> 00:30:12,882
In this one roll.
I've played a dozen rolls.
649
00:30:12,982 --> 00:30:14,550
I mean, it's been
a marvelous thing,
650
00:30:14,650 --> 00:30:17,153
because he has
so many facets to it.
651
00:30:17,353 --> 00:30:19,455
- Jonathan Frid had the kind
of personality
652
00:30:19,555 --> 00:30:21,657
that you don't find in actors,
653
00:30:21,757 --> 00:30:26,395
and that is he was concerned
with the other person.
654
00:30:26,495 --> 00:30:30,833
Actors out of necessity
are concerned about themselves.
655
00:30:30,933 --> 00:30:33,235
You know, they have to be.
656
00:30:33,336 --> 00:30:35,705
But when you meet someone
like Jonathan,
657
00:30:35,805 --> 00:30:38,374
who's just good.
658
00:30:38,474 --> 00:30:41,310
Which is a terrible thing to say
about a vampire, [laughing]
659
00:30:41,410 --> 00:30:42,912
but he was.
660
00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:44,847
It's a pleasure.
661
00:30:44,947 --> 00:30:48,751
- You are under my influence.
You cannot resist me.
662
00:30:48,851 --> 00:30:50,853
Do you understand?
663
00:30:50,953 --> 00:30:52,555
- I understand.
664
00:30:53,255 --> 00:30:56,058
- And you will never tell
anyone about me.
665
00:30:56,158 --> 00:30:58,160
- I will tell no one.
666
00:30:58,260 --> 00:31:00,629
I will never fail you.
667
00:31:00,730 --> 00:31:01,997
Never.
668
00:31:02,098 --> 00:31:06,035
- I think a decade went by
and I suddenly realized,
669
00:31:06,135 --> 00:31:09,772
John Frid, Dark Shadows,
670
00:31:09,872 --> 00:31:14,143
he's the king vampire
of the show.
671
00:31:14,243 --> 00:31:16,445
Somebody said, "Wouldn't you
have John on your show?'
672
00:31:16,545 --> 00:31:19,382
That was my morning show,
and I was fairly new to it all.
673
00:31:19,482 --> 00:31:20,783
He came on the show,
674
00:31:20,883 --> 00:31:23,919
and I was looking forward
to seeing him again,
675
00:31:24,019 --> 00:31:26,722
but I was out there,
in front of the audience,
676
00:31:26,822 --> 00:31:29,392
and he came on with a surprise.
677
00:31:29,492 --> 00:31:34,764
He was fully dressed
as Barnabas Collins the vampire,
678
00:31:34,864 --> 00:31:37,833
And his fans went crazy.
679
00:31:37,933 --> 00:31:41,570
Jonathan, I think you've
created a monster.
680
00:31:41,670 --> 00:31:43,472
This is Jonathan Frid.
681
00:31:43,572 --> 00:31:45,007
I know you don't want
to believe that,
682
00:31:45,107 --> 00:31:46,809
because you want to think
it's Barnabas.
683
00:31:46,909 --> 00:31:48,878
Jonathan, welcome.
- Thank you, Dick.
684
00:31:48,978 --> 00:31:52,281
- What's the latest development
now in Barnabas' life?
685
00:31:52,381 --> 00:31:54,950
- Well...
- I know you can speak for him.
686
00:31:55,050 --> 00:31:59,088
- Well all I know at this point
really, I'm not a vampire.
687
00:31:59,188 --> 00:32:00,823
- It could be temporary though,
couldn't it?
688
00:32:00,923 --> 00:32:03,225
I mean, the spell isn't
necessarily, totally--
689
00:32:03,325 --> 00:32:06,562
- Well you see, it all depends
on the monster Adam.
690
00:32:06,662 --> 00:32:11,867
As long as he lives,
I will be alive.
691
00:32:11,967 --> 00:32:13,602
Somehow or another,
don't ask me why,
692
00:32:13,702 --> 00:32:17,306
or how it happens,
but some of my life force
693
00:32:17,406 --> 00:32:22,011
is in him, and I think this show
694
00:32:22,111 --> 00:32:25,281
has more medical quackery
than any other soap opera.
695
00:32:25,381 --> 00:32:26,949
[audience laughs]
696
00:32:27,616 --> 00:32:29,885
- The first roll I played
on Dark Shadows,
697
00:32:29,985 --> 00:32:31,454
I played three different
characters,
698
00:32:31,554 --> 00:32:34,690
I played Eve, the most evil lady
who ever lived,
699
00:32:34,790 --> 00:32:38,093
and I was created on the
operating table by Barnabas,
700
00:32:38,194 --> 00:32:39,662
and Doctor Hoffman.
701
00:32:39,762 --> 00:32:43,199
And the first thing I realized,
when I worked with them,
702
00:32:43,299 --> 00:32:45,935
and I was silent,
because I was not yet alive,
703
00:32:46,035 --> 00:32:47,603
but I could see them,
704
00:32:47,703 --> 00:32:51,373
was that I was with really
talented people.
705
00:32:51,474 --> 00:32:54,009
These were really great actors.
706
00:32:54,109 --> 00:32:55,544
The second thing was,
707
00:32:55,644 --> 00:32:57,947
I noticed Jonathan's
cheek bones.
708
00:32:58,047 --> 00:33:00,082
I loved them.
They were so high.
709
00:33:00,182 --> 00:33:02,184
I'd never seen cheek bones
so high.
710
00:33:02,284 --> 00:33:04,186
And then the third thing,
711
00:33:04,286 --> 00:33:06,722
which was the best part
of Jonathan Frid,
712
00:33:06,822 --> 00:33:07,823
the voice.
713
00:33:07,923 --> 00:33:11,727
He had a marvelous voice,
and it was fitting.
714
00:33:11,827 --> 00:33:13,529
He was a Shakespearean actor.
715
00:33:13,629 --> 00:33:15,664
- I used my background
in Shakespeare.
716
00:33:15,764 --> 00:33:18,167
You know, I've played Macbeth,
played Richard III,
717
00:33:18,267 --> 00:33:21,370
who indeed has
a conscious himself at the end,
718
00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:24,006
and all these things fed
into Barnabas.
719
00:33:24,106 --> 00:33:26,842
Barnabas turned out to be
really a very rich,
720
00:33:26,942 --> 00:33:28,644
and satisfying experience.
721
00:33:28,744 --> 00:33:31,380
The only thing I felt frustrated
about doing it
722
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,382
was the format of soap opera
in those days.
723
00:33:33,482 --> 00:33:35,885
When you did a show every day
without stopping.
724
00:33:35,985 --> 00:33:37,219
There were no retakes.
725
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:39,788
- You need ice water in your
veins to do a soap opera,
726
00:33:39,889 --> 00:33:41,557
because you have
so little rehearsal.
727
00:33:41,657 --> 00:33:44,493
- I mean, I could learn a script
just by reading through it.
728
00:33:44,593 --> 00:33:46,061
And I'd go...
729
00:33:46,161 --> 00:33:47,496
And I knew it.
730
00:33:47,596 --> 00:33:50,299
Some of the veteran actors
had more difficulty.
731
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:53,903
- It was a tough going for me
for a long while,
732
00:33:54,003 --> 00:33:57,339
because anything I'd done before
that was on the stage,
733
00:33:57,439 --> 00:33:59,742
you have lots of time
to learn plays.
734
00:33:59,842 --> 00:34:03,546
And beginning way back
when I was a kind in school,
735
00:34:03,646 --> 00:34:06,549
but some of those kids in school
where very smart.
736
00:34:06,649 --> 00:34:09,485
They'd know there lines
in a week or two weeks,
737
00:34:09,585 --> 00:34:10,686
before I knew mine.
738
00:34:10,786 --> 00:34:13,022
I had a very definite
problem with it.
739
00:34:13,122 --> 00:34:15,257
I remember Joan Bennet,
that she had trouble
740
00:34:15,357 --> 00:34:16,425
with lines too,
741
00:34:16,525 --> 00:34:20,262
because she was used to having
six months instead of a week
742
00:34:20,362 --> 00:34:23,065
to learn that amount of dialog.
743
00:34:23,165 --> 00:34:28,203
I was always looking for someone
to help me with my lines,
744
00:34:28,304 --> 00:34:29,838
and she was doing
the same thing.
745
00:34:29,939 --> 00:34:31,674
- When we got into
the supernatural
746
00:34:31,774 --> 00:34:34,176
and when back into
the various periods,
747
00:34:34,276 --> 00:34:37,012
the technical people
had a field day.
748
00:34:37,112 --> 00:34:39,882
It was like making a MGM
movie every day.
749
00:34:39,982 --> 00:34:42,384
And the only drawback
about that was,
750
00:34:42,484 --> 00:34:46,589
that very often we actors
felt that we were being slighted
751
00:34:46,689 --> 00:34:47,990
with rehearsal time.
752
00:34:48,090 --> 00:34:53,395
The technical aspect
got first priority.
753
00:34:53,495 --> 00:34:57,066
- Oh, we had a camera blocking
around 10 o'clock,
754
00:34:57,166 --> 00:34:58,634
and that was after
doing the blocking
755
00:34:58,734 --> 00:35:00,135
up in the rehearsal room.
756
00:35:00,235 --> 00:35:02,538
And then we had what we call
a "stumble through",
757
00:35:02,638 --> 00:35:05,507
and then we had
a dress rehearsal.
758
00:35:05,608 --> 00:35:08,911
- Jonathan would finish a long,
long endless speech,
759
00:35:09,011 --> 00:35:10,946
you know, dress rehearsal,
and then he would say,
760
00:35:11,046 --> 00:35:14,350
"Or words to that effect."
[laughing]
761
00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:16,952
I mean,
I knew exactly what he meant.
762
00:35:17,052 --> 00:35:19,855
- So I started off,
I was just a nervous wreck,
763
00:35:19,955 --> 00:35:23,726
but I finally got into
the rhythm of doing this.
764
00:35:23,826 --> 00:35:27,463
And I was looking at scenes,
and it's amazing how
765
00:35:27,563 --> 00:35:29,498
cool I was later on.
766
00:35:29,598 --> 00:35:33,068
I was able to manage
those scenes.
767
00:35:33,168 --> 00:35:36,538
- There was never a time, never.
768
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:41,410
He never made light
of what he was going to do.
769
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:43,879
- Played it completely for real,
770
00:35:43,979 --> 00:35:47,716
and invested in
every single moment.
771
00:35:47,816 --> 00:35:50,686
A complete sense
of believability,
772
00:35:50,786 --> 00:35:54,089
and we did not
camp it up at all.
773
00:35:54,456 --> 00:35:57,459
- You must leave
Collinwood tonight.
774
00:35:57,559 --> 00:35:58,994
Please.
775
00:35:59,094 --> 00:36:00,796
You've got to leave Collinwood
before it's too late.
776
00:36:00,896 --> 00:36:03,065
Before you get caught.
Before...
777
00:36:03,165 --> 00:36:05,868
Before something happens to you.
778
00:36:05,968 --> 00:36:07,770
- No, Quentin,
779
00:36:07,870 --> 00:36:10,773
nothing will make me leave
Collinwood now.
780
00:36:11,907 --> 00:36:13,609
Nothing.
781
00:36:21,884 --> 00:36:25,354
You're very kind
to worry about me, Quentin.
782
00:36:25,454 --> 00:36:26,955
Well don't.
783
00:36:27,956 --> 00:36:30,359
I'll take care of myself.
784
00:36:33,062 --> 00:36:35,831
- He approached that
as if he was doing King Lear.
785
00:36:37,299 --> 00:36:41,637
And that set the tone, I think,
786
00:36:42,071 --> 00:36:43,806
for the company as a whole.
787
00:36:51,647 --> 00:36:54,149
[eerie music]
♪♪
788
00:37:14,236 --> 00:37:15,471
- [grunting] [thud]
789
00:37:15,571 --> 00:37:17,406
- [groaning]
790
00:37:17,973 --> 00:37:20,576
[screaming in agony]
791
00:37:22,244 --> 00:37:25,047
[dramatic music]
♪♪
792
00:37:30,219 --> 00:37:31,587
- [V/O] While some
viewers cried,
793
00:37:31,687 --> 00:37:34,289
and others rushed
to call ABC TV,
794
00:37:34,389 --> 00:37:36,492
Jonathan was spending his
four week hiatus
795
00:37:36,592 --> 00:37:38,293
Playing the roll of Tony Wendice
796
00:37:38,393 --> 00:37:40,996
in the crime mystery play
Dial M for Murder.
797
00:37:41,096 --> 00:37:43,632
The production ran for two weeks
to sold out crowds
798
00:37:43,732 --> 00:37:45,367
at The Little Theater
On The Square
799
00:37:45,467 --> 00:37:46,869
in Sullivan, Illinois.
800
00:37:46,969 --> 00:37:49,938
- He came back
and he did say to me,
801
00:37:50,038 --> 00:37:53,609
"Thank you for carrying the load
here while I was gone."
802
00:37:53,709 --> 00:37:54,576
[laughing]
803
00:37:54,676 --> 00:37:58,046
But of course I was,
I was delighted
804
00:37:58,147 --> 00:38:00,315
to be able to do that.
805
00:38:01,316 --> 00:38:03,418
[coffin creaking]
806
00:38:09,858 --> 00:38:12,161
[ominous music]
♪♪
807
00:38:22,237 --> 00:38:23,972
- It's him.
808
00:38:25,107 --> 00:38:27,810
- Oh God, what's going on here?
809
00:38:28,977 --> 00:38:30,512
What's going on?!
810
00:38:34,516 --> 00:38:36,251
- We welcome to our microphones
811
00:38:36,351 --> 00:38:38,320
Jonathan Frid,
ladies and gentlemen.
812
00:38:38,420 --> 00:38:39,888
Have you worked with Olivier?
- No.
813
00:38:39,988 --> 00:38:41,790
I wish I had, but no, I haven't.
814
00:38:41,890 --> 00:38:45,160
I mean, he has been my idol
all my life.
815
00:38:45,260 --> 00:38:47,629
- What was it like to work
with Kate Hepburn?
816
00:38:47,729 --> 00:38:49,331
- I've worked with many stars,
817
00:38:49,431 --> 00:38:51,366
but Hepburn stands out,
of course.
818
00:38:51,466 --> 00:38:54,469
She's fabulous off-stage
and on-stage.
819
00:38:54,570 --> 00:38:57,105
And I was like any other fan
of anybody else.
820
00:38:57,206 --> 00:38:58,574
I mean, I know what
a fan feels like
821
00:38:58,674 --> 00:39:00,475
because I had been a fan myself.
822
00:39:00,576 --> 00:39:04,746
- One day I remember going out
the front door of the studio,
823
00:39:04,847 --> 00:39:06,615
and there was some
school kids there.
824
00:39:06,715 --> 00:39:09,117
A week later
it was double the size,
825
00:39:09,218 --> 00:39:10,686
and then quadruple the size,
826
00:39:10,786 --> 00:39:13,989
and suddenly we had
a whole street full of kids
827
00:39:14,089 --> 00:39:17,192
who had come to the studio
after school to see us.
828
00:39:17,292 --> 00:39:20,429
- So I got to go to the studio,
829
00:39:20,529 --> 00:39:26,268
and on April 17, 1969,
I got to meet him,
830
00:39:26,368 --> 00:39:30,839
and my little red scrap book
was the catalyst,
831
00:39:30,939 --> 00:39:34,710
because he was fascinated that I
had all these magazine articles,
832
00:39:34,810 --> 00:39:36,845
and he wanted to see it.
833
00:39:36,945 --> 00:39:38,547
- I like to say that I am
a first generation
834
00:39:38,647 --> 00:39:39,715
Dark Shadows fan,
835
00:39:39,815 --> 00:39:42,417
having discovered it
in it's initial run,
836
00:39:42,517 --> 00:39:45,454
and becoming completely obsessed
with the show
837
00:39:45,554 --> 00:39:47,222
as a fourth grader.
838
00:39:47,322 --> 00:39:48,924
- It was biggest with kids.
839
00:39:49,024 --> 00:39:51,760
I remember that at one point
we moved the show
840
00:39:51,860 --> 00:39:53,662
from 4 o'clock to 3:30.
841
00:39:53,762 --> 00:39:56,265
We got reams of mail saying,
"No, no.
842
00:39:56,365 --> 00:40:00,802
My kid can't get home
from school to watch it."
843
00:40:00,903 --> 00:40:02,738
And we went back to 4 o'clock.
844
00:40:02,838 --> 00:40:10,812
- My fan loyalty was definitely
divided between
845
00:40:10,913 --> 00:40:13,115
Jonathan Frid as Barnabas.
846
00:40:13,215 --> 00:40:17,886
He carried so much tragedy
with that character,
847
00:40:17,986 --> 00:40:20,522
and history,
and there were so many layers.
848
00:40:20,622 --> 00:40:24,393
And even as a kid,
I was just riveted by that.
849
00:40:24,493 --> 00:40:28,230
My other favorite character
is the inevitable Grayson Hall
850
00:40:28,330 --> 00:40:29,731
as Doctor Julia Hoffman.
851
00:40:29,831 --> 00:40:34,836
And the two of them together,
as the kind of paranormal
852
00:40:34,937 --> 00:40:36,905
ghost busters that they were,
853
00:40:37,005 --> 00:40:38,874
Working together,
and time traveling,
854
00:40:38,974 --> 00:40:40,208
and all the adventures
that they had.
855
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:43,812
With the unrequited love angle,
I was just completely hooked.
856
00:40:43,912 --> 00:40:46,248
- She won't always be angry,
Barnabas,
857
00:40:46,348 --> 00:40:48,884
if you listen to her,
858
00:40:48,984 --> 00:40:53,188
if you don't want
what you shouldn't.
859
00:40:53,288 --> 00:40:55,190
- And what is that?
860
00:40:56,992 --> 00:41:00,462
- You think I'm jealous
of Vicky, don't you?
861
00:41:00,562 --> 00:41:02,931
Well I'm not.
Not at all.
862
00:41:03,832 --> 00:41:06,401
- Jonathan would ask
Valerie and I to do
863
00:41:06,501 --> 00:41:08,537
a variety of different things.
864
00:41:08,637 --> 00:41:11,239
We'd go to Grand Central
and we would pick out
865
00:41:11,340 --> 00:41:13,809
all the magazines
that came out that week,
866
00:41:13,909 --> 00:41:15,243
so he could look at them,
867
00:41:15,344 --> 00:41:17,846
and see what they wrote
about him.
868
00:41:17,946 --> 00:41:20,515
- Is your fan mail
still unusual?
869
00:41:20,615 --> 00:41:21,984
- Yes, some of it.
870
00:41:22,084 --> 00:41:24,286
Uh, as a matter of fact,
I've been very bad
871
00:41:24,386 --> 00:41:25,454
about answering it lately,
872
00:41:25,554 --> 00:41:29,391
so I got a little club together
about two weekends ago,
873
00:41:29,491 --> 00:41:31,960
in a studio, and we took
over the rehearsal hall
874
00:41:32,060 --> 00:41:34,663
during the weekend,
and it was like the post office
875
00:41:34,763 --> 00:41:36,031
during Christmas time.
876
00:41:36,431 --> 00:41:40,469
- And when we walked into
that rehearsal hall,
877
00:41:40,569 --> 00:41:42,604
You couldn't even believe
what you saw.
878
00:41:42,704 --> 00:41:45,407
There were boxes A to Z,
879
00:41:45,507 --> 00:41:48,477
and then mail bags
that were piled high
880
00:41:48,577 --> 00:41:50,746
about five feet in the air.
881
00:41:50,846 --> 00:41:54,816
We never thought that we would
get through this mail, ever.
882
00:41:55,384 --> 00:41:58,320
- Jonathan, someone handed me
the Grand Rapids Times.
883
00:41:58,420 --> 00:42:00,022
The headline is,
"TV Vampire Causes
884
00:42:00,122 --> 00:42:01,423
Grand Rapids Airport Riot."
885
00:42:01,523 --> 00:42:03,225
What-- What have you done?
886
00:42:03,325 --> 00:42:05,827
[audience laughter]
887
00:42:05,927 --> 00:42:10,165
- I took a ten city tour
in five days.
888
00:42:10,265 --> 00:42:11,466
Which was kind of rough going.
889
00:42:11,566 --> 00:42:14,269
But the thing about it was,
no one really expected
890
00:42:14,369 --> 00:42:16,705
a turnout that we would get
in all these airports,
891
00:42:16,805 --> 00:42:20,242
and shopping centers,
and things like that.
892
00:42:20,342 --> 00:42:24,179
So there was no kind of
organized control of crowds.
893
00:42:24,279 --> 00:42:27,182
We were late getting into
Grand Rapids,
894
00:42:27,282 --> 00:42:31,119
and they had a crowd
where our plane landed,
895
00:42:31,219 --> 00:42:35,757
and everything got so out of
hand that we got kinda nervous.
896
00:42:35,857 --> 00:42:37,993
There was so much
uncontrolled chaos,
897
00:42:38,093 --> 00:42:40,796
and so we got the hearse.
898
00:42:40,896 --> 00:42:42,464
My line was getting on top
of this hearse.
899
00:42:42,564 --> 00:42:45,567
I was rather... if you pardon
the expression, mortified.
900
00:42:45,667 --> 00:42:48,170
[audience laughs]
901
00:42:48,270 --> 00:42:50,172
And, uh...
902
00:42:50,272 --> 00:42:54,810
So anyway, instead of circling
around in front of these
903
00:42:54,910 --> 00:42:56,778
thousands of teenagers
and so forth,
904
00:42:56,878 --> 00:42:58,613
and a regular
commercial airliner
905
00:42:58,713 --> 00:42:59,781
was unloading at that point,
906
00:42:59,881 --> 00:43:02,517
and I was trying to think
of their point of view.
907
00:43:02,617 --> 00:43:04,486
Here they were,
these thousands of kids,
908
00:43:04,586 --> 00:43:07,089
and this idiot on top
of this hearse, with fangs.
909
00:43:07,189 --> 00:43:08,657
[audience laughs]
910
00:43:08,757 --> 00:43:11,159
And what was going on, you know?
911
00:43:11,259 --> 00:43:13,095
What has happened to America?
912
00:43:13,795 --> 00:43:17,499
- And they asked us
to come in to this studio,
913
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:20,001
and record an album.
914
00:43:20,102 --> 00:43:23,205
It was Bob Cobert's music.
915
00:43:23,305 --> 00:43:24,606
- We went over to the studio,
916
00:43:24,706 --> 00:43:25,974
there was never more
than two takes.
917
00:43:26,074 --> 00:43:27,476
Most were down to one take.
918
00:43:27,576 --> 00:43:28,743
[eerie music]
♪♪
919
00:43:28,844 --> 00:43:30,612
Midnight,
920
00:43:30,712 --> 00:43:34,449
a hush falls through the
melancholy halls of Collinwood.
921
00:43:37,486 --> 00:43:41,823
A solemn moon cast dark shadows
over the placid stillness
922
00:43:41,923 --> 00:43:43,992
of the old mansion.
923
00:43:46,161 --> 00:43:48,730
- And the album went on
to be a big seller.
924
00:43:48,830 --> 00:43:49,898
It was a hit.
925
00:43:49,998 --> 00:43:52,100
- [V/O] Jonathan was invited
by Trisha Nixon
926
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,769
to be the special guest at the
White House Halloween Party
927
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:58,974
for local underprivileged
children on Halloween in 1969.
928
00:43:59,274 --> 00:44:02,611
Jonathan always made himself
available to support charities,
929
00:44:02,711 --> 00:44:05,180
including the United Cerebral
Palsy telethon
930
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,616
in Oklahoma City,
Birmingham, Alabama,
931
00:44:07,716 --> 00:44:09,584
and Monroe, Louisiana.
932
00:44:09,684 --> 00:44:11,820
He also appeared on
the Jerry Lewis Labor Day
933
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,955
Muscular Dystrophy Telethon.
934
00:44:14,055 --> 00:44:16,858
For Jonathan, it was always
about helping the children,
935
00:44:16,958 --> 00:44:18,660
and making them smile.
936
00:44:19,327 --> 00:44:21,963
- When you went to the West
Coast, he was at Marine Land,
937
00:44:22,063 --> 00:44:25,834
and appeared with all these
different animals.
938
00:44:25,934 --> 00:44:28,803
I don't know why a vampire
would be appearing with animals,
939
00:44:28,904 --> 00:44:29,871
but they did that.
940
00:44:29,971 --> 00:44:32,340
And then the pièce de résistance
941
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,243
was him crowning
Miss American Vampire
942
00:44:35,343 --> 00:44:37,479
at Palisades Amusement Park.
943
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:41,583
That was the most hilarious
thing you ever saw.
944
00:44:41,683 --> 00:44:44,352
He was there-- It must have
been 100 degrees out,
945
00:44:44,452 --> 00:44:46,488
and he's wearing a suit,
946
00:44:46,588 --> 00:44:51,793
and he has to crown this girl
that's dressed like Elvira.
947
00:44:51,893 --> 00:44:53,428
That's what she looked like.
948
00:44:54,095 --> 00:44:56,565
- I decided I would try and make
a Dark Shadows movie.
949
00:44:56,665 --> 00:44:58,133
I mean, no one's ever
done that before.
950
00:44:58,233 --> 00:44:59,467
Lets see if that's gonna work.
951
00:44:59,568 --> 00:45:03,638
Sam Hall and Gordon Russell
and myself sat down,
952
00:45:03,738 --> 00:45:05,740
and worked out an outline
953
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,842
where we could do
whatever we wanted to do
954
00:45:07,943 --> 00:45:09,744
We did have to worry about
perpetuating him,
955
00:45:09,844 --> 00:45:12,013
we could make him
a real marauder,
956
00:45:12,113 --> 00:45:13,582
because we could kill him.
957
00:45:13,682 --> 00:45:15,817
- The movie,
I thought were too violent,
958
00:45:15,917 --> 00:45:18,386
and did have the charm
or the never-never world
959
00:45:18,486 --> 00:45:20,322
of the television show.
960
00:45:20,422 --> 00:45:24,626
- Julia, do you believe in
the existence of vampires?
961
00:45:24,726 --> 00:45:26,127
- You're not really serious.
962
00:45:26,228 --> 00:45:27,896
- But he is, Julia.
963
00:45:27,996 --> 00:45:30,098
[man yelling]
964
00:45:31,366 --> 00:45:33,902
- I command you to come to me!
965
00:45:34,002 --> 00:45:37,339
- Barnabas Collins, vampire.
966
00:45:37,439 --> 00:45:39,975
- [V/O] MGM offered Dan Curtis
the opportunity
967
00:45:40,075 --> 00:45:41,843
to do a second Dark Shadows film
968
00:45:41,943 --> 00:45:44,546
following the success
of House of Dark Shadows.
969
00:45:44,646 --> 00:45:46,948
However, Jonathan was not happy
with the depiction
970
00:45:47,048 --> 00:45:48,750
of the character
in the first film,
971
00:45:48,850 --> 00:45:50,585
and feared being type-cast.
972
00:45:50,785 --> 00:45:52,654
An insistent Curtis
informed his star
973
00:45:52,754 --> 00:45:55,857
that if he had no interest in
portraying Barnabas in the film,
974
00:45:55,957 --> 00:45:59,094
he no longer had to play
Barnabas on television.
975
00:45:59,194 --> 00:46:00,762
In December 1970,
976
00:46:00,862 --> 00:46:03,465
Jonathan was notified that his
contract would be cancelled
977
00:46:03,565 --> 00:46:05,734
at the end of the next
production cycle.
978
00:46:05,834 --> 00:46:09,638
Ironically, a few weeks later,
ABC cancelled the series.
979
00:46:09,738 --> 00:46:13,808
- There was an ABC executive,
very well know Brandon Stoddard,
980
00:46:13,908 --> 00:46:16,845
and I remember
he told me years later
981
00:46:16,945 --> 00:46:19,314
that when the show
was cancelled,
982
00:46:19,414 --> 00:46:23,184
he asked the guard at ABC
to find him an alternate route
983
00:46:23,285 --> 00:46:26,221
out of the building
because Dark Shadows fans
984
00:46:26,321 --> 00:46:28,990
came and beseeched him
to put it back on the air.
985
00:46:29,090 --> 00:46:30,992
- It's hard to describe
the success of that show,
986
00:46:31,092 --> 00:46:31,660
isn't it, John?
987
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,161
- I've really never been
able to figure it out
988
00:46:33,261 --> 00:46:34,362
but I'm enjoying it immensely,
989
00:46:34,462 --> 00:46:35,930
but never been able
to figure it out.
990
00:46:36,031 --> 00:46:39,901
- I find it a little
irritating sometimes
991
00:46:40,001 --> 00:46:42,203
when people talk about
Ann Rice creating
992
00:46:42,304 --> 00:46:44,739
the vampire with a conscious.
993
00:46:44,839 --> 00:46:45,807
That is not true.
994
00:46:45,907 --> 00:46:49,177
It was definitely the
combination of the writing
995
00:46:49,277 --> 00:46:51,379
of the character
of Barnabas Collins,
996
00:46:51,479 --> 00:46:55,116
and Jonathan Frid's absolutely
inevitable performance
997
00:46:55,216 --> 00:46:56,751
of that character.
998
00:46:56,851 --> 00:47:00,755
That-- I think that when
we thing of monsters,
999
00:47:00,855 --> 00:47:02,223
we think of them as monsters.
1000
00:47:02,324 --> 00:47:04,426
That's what we're trained
to think of them as,
1001
00:47:04,526 --> 00:47:08,029
but Dark Shadows had a human
side to the monster.
1002
00:47:08,129 --> 00:47:11,232
You got to see
what made the monster tick.
1003
00:47:11,333 --> 00:47:14,669
And it had been explored
in movies before,
1004
00:47:14,769 --> 00:47:16,171
like Frankenstein and so forth,
1005
00:47:16,271 --> 00:47:19,841
but you really never got
to indulge the story telling
1006
00:47:19,941 --> 00:47:24,379
the way you do in the format
of an on-going daytime serial,
1007
00:47:24,479 --> 00:47:27,916
where they're telling five half
hour plays a week,
1008
00:47:28,016 --> 00:47:29,050
for five years.
1009
00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:32,654
Just the way the show blended
all of those elements.
1010
00:47:32,754 --> 00:47:35,557
Bring in The Turn of the Screw
1011
00:47:35,657 --> 00:47:38,360
and Wuthering Heights,
and Jane Eyre.
1012
00:47:38,460 --> 00:47:40,395
The gothic romance
and the gothic horror,
1013
00:47:40,495 --> 00:47:42,564
it was an incredible alchemy
1014
00:47:42,664 --> 00:47:46,768
that has not been duplicate
since, as far as I concerned.
1015
00:47:46,868 --> 00:47:53,141
- They brought a very gothic,
romantic quality to this roll.
1016
00:47:53,241 --> 00:47:56,711
That I guess, will live forever.
1017
00:47:56,811 --> 00:47:58,880
- How can I destroy you?
1018
00:48:00,415 --> 00:48:02,851
- I am destroyed already.
1019
00:48:02,951 --> 00:48:04,919
What you will do is save me.
1020
00:48:05,019 --> 00:48:07,355
Free me from this
endless torment.
1021
00:48:07,455 --> 00:48:09,290
- I can't do it.
1022
00:48:09,391 --> 00:48:10,992
- If you are my friend,
- I am.
1023
00:48:11,092 --> 00:48:13,027
- Then do it.
- No.
1024
00:48:13,128 --> 00:48:14,396
- Free me.
1025
00:48:15,096 --> 00:48:16,931
Give me peace, at last.
1026
00:48:17,799 --> 00:48:21,102
Let me return to those at rest.
1027
00:48:22,303 --> 00:48:25,774
Do not condemn me to wonder
forever in endless agony.
1028
00:48:26,941 --> 00:48:29,444
End my torment.
1029
00:48:29,544 --> 00:48:32,747
Please, I beg you.
1030
00:48:32,847 --> 00:48:34,916
I beg you.
1031
00:48:35,016 --> 00:48:37,452
Let me hear you say the words.
1032
00:48:37,552 --> 00:48:39,487
"Yes."
1033
00:48:39,587 --> 00:48:41,189
Say the words.
1034
00:48:45,427 --> 00:48:47,729
- Yes.
- Yes.
1035
00:48:49,531 --> 00:48:50,932
Yes.
1036
00:48:52,066 --> 00:48:53,334
Yes.
1037
00:48:53,435 --> 00:48:56,204
[ominous music]
♪♪
1038
00:48:59,374 --> 00:49:01,009
- [V/O] As Dark Shadows
drew to a close
1039
00:49:01,109 --> 00:49:03,478
in early spring of 1971,
1040
00:49:03,578 --> 00:49:06,514
Jonathan was ready
for a new artistic adventure.
1041
00:49:06,614 --> 00:49:09,584
He found it on the stage
portraying Thomas Becket
1042
00:49:09,684 --> 00:49:12,720
in TS Elliot's
Murder in the Cathedral.
1043
00:49:12,821 --> 00:49:14,522
It was a sold out,
limited engagement
1044
00:49:14,622 --> 00:49:16,191
at the Central
Presbyterian Church
1045
00:49:16,291 --> 00:49:18,560
on Manhattan's upper East Side.
1046
00:49:18,660 --> 00:49:20,428
Jonathan was delighted
that several of his
1047
00:49:20,528 --> 00:49:22,530
Dark Shadows co-stars
attended the show.
1048
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:25,300
Including Joan Bennett,
and Louis Edmonds.
1049
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,269
New York critics praised
his forceful, insightful,
1050
00:49:28,369 --> 00:49:30,472
and splendid performance.
1051
00:49:30,572 --> 00:49:32,740
He next took on the roll
of pathological killer
1052
00:49:32,841 --> 00:49:35,109
Harry Roat Jr.
in Wait Until Dark
1053
00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:37,345
at the Windmill Dinner Theater
in Texas.
1054
00:49:37,745 --> 00:49:39,614
When Jonathan returned
to New York City,
1055
00:49:39,714 --> 00:49:41,883
he signed a contract
with a management group
1056
00:49:41,983 --> 00:49:44,319
that convinced him they
could find him quality rolls
1057
00:49:44,419 --> 00:49:46,588
in prime time television,
and movies.
1058
00:49:46,721 --> 00:49:49,891
- And then I did a picture
in Hollywood
1059
00:49:49,991 --> 00:49:52,460
an ABC movie of the week
with Shelly Winters,
1060
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,329
The Devil's Daughter.
1061
00:49:54,429 --> 00:49:57,398
And I was in Oliver Stone's
very first picture.
1062
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,669
A group of friends come
to this house for the weekend,
1063
00:50:03,037 --> 00:50:05,139
and three strangers appear.
1064
00:50:07,108 --> 00:50:09,944
I don't know who they are
or where they come from,
1065
00:50:11,513 --> 00:50:13,081
but they're frightening.
1066
00:50:13,181 --> 00:50:15,717
- My first impression
of Jonathan was,
1067
00:50:15,817 --> 00:50:20,154
"What a lucky thing
he's playing my husband",
1068
00:50:20,255 --> 00:50:23,124
because he was so gentle
and kind,
1069
00:50:23,224 --> 00:50:25,093
and good to work with.
1070
00:50:25,193 --> 00:50:29,964
He presented himself as a person
who you knew you could trust.
1071
00:50:30,431 --> 00:50:33,001
You wouldn't let anything
happen to Jason.
1072
00:50:35,937 --> 00:50:37,438
- No, darling.
1073
00:50:37,672 --> 00:50:39,007
Never.
1074
00:50:41,776 --> 00:50:45,413
- Oliver decided to have
all of us stay in the house
1075
00:50:45,513 --> 00:50:46,714
that we were using.
1076
00:50:46,814 --> 00:50:49,617
- We were using our own bedrooms
for the bedrooms of the movie.
1077
00:50:49,717 --> 00:50:51,719
And I got up in the morning,
I was to stay in bed
1078
00:50:51,819 --> 00:50:55,123
until the cameras came in...
[laughing]
1079
00:50:55,223 --> 00:50:57,959
I did that one time.
Of course, we were all laughing.
1080
00:50:58,059 --> 00:51:00,161
But I hadn't--
There was no time for breakfast
1081
00:51:00,261 --> 00:51:01,596
or anything anyway so...
1082
00:51:01,696 --> 00:51:04,666
The cameras came into my bedroom
and started shooting.
1083
00:51:04,766 --> 00:51:05,533
[chuckles]
1084
00:51:05,633 --> 00:51:06,734
- When we filmed at night
1085
00:51:06,834 --> 00:51:09,971
I just remember it being very
cold and it was sort of weird.
1086
00:51:10,071 --> 00:51:12,273
- [V/O] You'll never run
from it.
1087
00:51:12,373 --> 00:51:14,876
You can never hide from it.
1088
00:51:14,976 --> 00:51:17,345
The breath stopping panic of...
1089
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:20,715
Seizure.
1090
00:51:21,215 --> 00:51:23,718
- I think physical horror
is boring.
1091
00:51:23,818 --> 00:51:25,753
It just bores me to death.
1092
00:51:25,853 --> 00:51:27,989
I don't get scared ever.
I just get bored.
1093
00:51:28,089 --> 00:51:30,158
When I was a kid,
I was bored of it.
1094
00:51:30,258 --> 00:51:33,261
Horror is people lying
to each other.
1095
00:51:33,361 --> 00:51:34,495
This inner evil.
1096
00:51:34,596 --> 00:51:39,934
Somebody telling a lie
to me is more villainous
1097
00:51:40,034 --> 00:51:41,436
than anything I can think of.
1098
00:51:41,536 --> 00:51:42,870
More horrific.
1099
00:51:42,971 --> 00:51:44,872
- [V/O] With the filming
of Seizure completed.
1100
00:51:44,973 --> 00:51:46,674
Jonathan returned home
to New York
1101
00:51:46,774 --> 00:51:49,177
when he received
an unexpected call.
1102
00:51:49,277 --> 00:51:51,746
Dark Shadows, which had been
dubbed in Spanish
1103
00:51:51,846 --> 00:51:54,616
was now a tremendous success
in Latin America.
1104
00:51:54,716 --> 00:51:57,585
Jonathan was asked to do
a promotional tour in Paraguay.
1105
00:51:57,685 --> 00:51:58,853
- And I said, "Well now look,
1106
00:51:58,953 --> 00:52:01,122
I will do down there
just as an actor."
1107
00:52:01,222 --> 00:52:03,458
"I will not go down there,
and do any Barnabas numbers."
1108
00:52:03,558 --> 00:52:05,460
Because people were always
asking me to do that.
1109
00:52:06,127 --> 00:52:08,196
And he said, "It's okay."
1110
00:52:08,296 --> 00:52:12,600
He hesitated at first, "Well
we won't worry about that."
1111
00:52:13,368 --> 00:52:14,969
So I went down there,
1112
00:52:15,069 --> 00:52:19,507
and I think it was sponsored
by the dictator himself.
1113
00:52:19,607 --> 00:52:23,111
As a matter of fact,
his wife was a great fan of it.
1114
00:52:23,211 --> 00:52:25,613
She had a reception for me
and everything else
1115
00:52:25,713 --> 00:52:26,748
when I got down there.
1116
00:52:26,848 --> 00:52:29,050
It was the biggest show
in Paraguay.
1117
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:31,986
They even moved football
schedules around
1118
00:52:32,086 --> 00:52:33,988
to accommodate the Dark Shadows.
1119
00:52:34,088 --> 00:52:36,090
They're absolutely
crazy about it.
1120
00:52:36,190 --> 00:52:38,793
Down there it's Barrrnabas.
1121
00:52:38,893 --> 00:52:40,795
And everything was that
kind of heavy,
1122
00:52:40,895 --> 00:52:43,598
kind of strong,
melodramatic thing.
1123
00:52:43,698 --> 00:52:45,066
Which sometimes is a good thing.
1124
00:52:45,166 --> 00:52:47,535
[actors speaking Spanish]
1125
00:53:03,851 --> 00:53:08,122
They did it with such pizazz
and strength.
1126
00:53:08,690 --> 00:53:12,126
[voice over in Spanish]
- Sombras Tenebrosas.
1127
00:53:15,863 --> 00:53:19,133
The title has a grander...
1128
00:53:19,233 --> 00:53:21,736
Las Sombras Tenebrosas.
1129
00:53:21,836 --> 00:53:23,504
- [V/O] Jonathan with his
interpreter Eduardo
1130
00:53:23,604 --> 00:53:25,573
attended press conferences,
receptions
1131
00:53:25,673 --> 00:53:27,208
and judged a fashion show.
1132
00:53:27,308 --> 00:53:29,310
The last stop each night
was a night club
1133
00:53:29,410 --> 00:53:32,413
where he found himself waiting
for extended periods in the car.
1134
00:53:32,513 --> 00:53:34,148
- I'd be sitting in the car
1135
00:53:34,248 --> 00:53:36,584
waiting for them to come
and get me to come in.
1136
00:53:36,684 --> 00:53:37,719
And it'd take forever.
1137
00:53:37,819 --> 00:53:39,821
And I finally got mad
at them all, and I said,
1138
00:53:39,921 --> 00:53:41,355
"What's going on here?"
1139
00:53:41,456 --> 00:53:43,324
And he said
that they are furious
1140
00:53:43,424 --> 00:53:46,461
that you're not here with your
costume and everything.
1141
00:53:46,561 --> 00:53:48,996
Not only costume,
but Barnabas wasn't here.
1142
00:53:49,097 --> 00:53:50,798
They said, "Well where's
Barnabas?"
1143
00:53:50,898 --> 00:53:52,400
And they said,
"Well there he is, right there."
1144
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:53,968
"That's not Barnabas."
1145
00:53:54,836 --> 00:53:56,037
- [V/O] Whatever the objections,
1146
00:53:56,137 --> 00:53:58,573
Jonathan was invited
to return to South America
1147
00:53:58,673 --> 00:54:00,241
for a press tour in Panama.
1148
00:54:00,341 --> 00:54:02,376
This time,
he wore the signet ring
1149
00:54:02,477 --> 00:54:06,147
and carried the famous wolf's
head cane of Barnabas Collins.
1150
00:54:06,247 --> 00:54:08,649
By the end of his second
South American tour,
1151
00:54:08,750 --> 00:54:10,384
Jonathan had become
very enamored
1152
00:54:10,485 --> 00:54:12,787
with the Spanish language,
and wanted to learn it.
1153
00:54:12,887 --> 00:54:15,389
He came up with a plan
uniquely his own.
1154
00:54:15,490 --> 00:54:18,559
- I was for a whole year
in Mexico.
1155
00:54:18,659 --> 00:54:22,530
Learning the language
and going to towns
1156
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:28,302
that guaranteed me there'd be no
Americans or Canadians
1157
00:54:28,402 --> 00:54:29,804
or travelers.
1158
00:54:29,904 --> 00:54:32,340
So I wanted no English,
to hear any English.
1159
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:33,941
I had friends
that later on said,
1160
00:54:34,041 --> 00:54:36,377
"Why didn't you tell us you were
gonna be down there?"
1161
00:54:36,477 --> 00:54:38,379
"We were down there.
We couldn't said hello."
1162
00:54:38,479 --> 00:54:40,848
I said, "That's precisely
what I didn't want."
1163
00:54:40,948 --> 00:54:42,850
I didn't want to hear
any English.
1164
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:46,020
It's a fascinating language,
and I love the sound of it.
1165
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:47,989
And I love speaking it.
1166
00:54:48,089 --> 00:54:50,024
- [V/O] By spring of 1977,
1167
00:54:50,124 --> 00:54:52,627
Jonathan, frustrated
by his agencies inability
1168
00:54:52,727 --> 00:54:55,229
to obtain quality and the type
of work he wanted,
1169
00:54:55,329 --> 00:54:57,431
chose not to renew his contract.
1170
00:54:57,532 --> 00:54:58,900
He was on his own.
1171
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,370
The choice most likely had a
negative impact on his finances.
1172
00:55:02,470 --> 00:55:04,205
But he was firm in his
convictions to pursue
1173
00:55:04,305 --> 00:55:06,841
his profession on his own
artistic terms.
1174
00:55:06,941 --> 00:55:09,076
He accepted an invitation
to appear on a production
1175
00:55:09,177 --> 00:55:11,179
of The Royal Family
at Penn State,
1176
00:55:11,279 --> 00:55:13,414
University Park, Pennsylvania.
1177
00:55:13,514 --> 00:55:15,116
He was delighted
to return to the theater
1178
00:55:15,216 --> 00:55:18,619
where in July 1965,
he had played the title roll
1179
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,955
in Shakespeare's Richard III.
1180
00:55:21,556 --> 00:55:23,724
- Well my greatest
artistic success,
1181
00:55:23,825 --> 00:55:26,327
without a doubt was Richard III.
1182
00:55:26,427 --> 00:55:29,163
I didn't want to play it
as the obvious villain.
1183
00:55:29,263 --> 00:55:32,700
I wanted to plumb various
character traits
1184
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,404
that might not be seen in
a casual reading of the script.
1185
00:55:36,504 --> 00:55:38,039
It was digging deep
into the character
1186
00:55:38,139 --> 00:55:40,741
that made it
so fascinating for me.
1187
00:55:40,842 --> 00:55:42,543
- [V/O] Jonathan joyfully
celebrated
1188
00:55:42,643 --> 00:55:45,479
the start of a new decade
with family and friends.
1189
00:55:45,580 --> 00:55:48,316
On that New Years Eve however,
what he could not foresee
1190
00:55:48,416 --> 00:55:51,118
was a looming health crisis
that would nearly kill him.
1191
00:55:51,586 --> 00:55:54,856
For 35 years,
Jonathan was a heavy smoker.
1192
00:55:54,956 --> 00:55:58,526
As a result, in 1980
he underwent an angioplasty.
1193
00:55:58,626 --> 00:56:02,230
Then, a relatively new procedure
to prevent a major heart attack.
1194
00:56:02,563 --> 00:56:05,867
Following the surgery,
he quit smoking, cold turkey.
1195
00:56:05,967 --> 00:56:07,969
During his recuperation at home,
1196
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:11,072
he began to contemplate his past
and future career.
1197
00:56:11,172 --> 00:56:13,708
- Oh, Dark Shadows has certainly
helped my career.
1198
00:56:13,808 --> 00:56:16,944
Its made it, uh, in a sense.
1199
00:56:17,044 --> 00:56:19,814
I had a career long before
Dark Shadows,
1200
00:56:19,914 --> 00:56:21,249
but it made me a celebrity.
1201
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:23,818
It made a "star out of me."
1202
00:56:23,918 --> 00:56:25,887
And I thought that would fade,
1203
00:56:25,987 --> 00:56:27,421
but I remember
someone telling me
1204
00:56:27,521 --> 00:56:30,491
that came from the coast
years ago, during Dark Shadows,
1205
00:56:30,591 --> 00:56:32,827
he said, "Your life will never
be the same again."
1206
00:56:32,927 --> 00:56:34,061
I said, "Nuts."
1207
00:56:34,161 --> 00:56:37,498
"After this is over,
there will be other heroes,
1208
00:56:37,598 --> 00:56:39,667
there will be other people"
so forth and so on.
1209
00:56:39,767 --> 00:56:41,002
"Time moves on."
1210
00:56:41,102 --> 00:56:42,837
But he was right.
1211
00:56:42,937 --> 00:56:45,006
And for a while I did want
to shake the image.
1212
00:56:45,106 --> 00:56:48,976
I mean, as much as I enjoyed it,
I'm an actor and human being.
1213
00:56:49,076 --> 00:56:51,212
I love attention, who doesn't?
1214
00:56:51,312 --> 00:56:54,515
But it got to be a little much.
1215
00:56:54,615 --> 00:56:56,751
I'm a private sort of person.
1216
00:56:56,851 --> 00:56:59,353
There's some actors who love,
quit honestly love
1217
00:56:59,453 --> 00:57:01,722
to go to restaurants,
and go to openings,
1218
00:57:01,822 --> 00:57:03,157
and be recognized, and be seen,
1219
00:57:03,257 --> 00:57:05,026
and all power to them.
1220
00:57:05,126 --> 00:57:08,963
Its... You have to be on
all the-- 24 hours a day.
1221
00:57:09,063 --> 00:57:10,598
I'm too tired.
1222
00:57:10,698 --> 00:57:12,166
Uh, I like to act,
1223
00:57:12,266 --> 00:57:14,602
and when the curtain comes down,
or the cameras turn off,
1224
00:57:14,702 --> 00:57:17,238
and most actors
have that situation,
1225
00:57:17,338 --> 00:57:20,574
they go out of the studio
and no one cares about them,
1226
00:57:20,675 --> 00:57:22,443
even thought they've done
a good job,
1227
00:57:22,543 --> 00:57:24,178
but they're not in that
celebrity status.
1228
00:57:24,278 --> 00:57:26,180
They're just good actors.
1229
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,382
Good acting
and being a celebrity,
1230
00:57:28,482 --> 00:57:29,517
have nothing in common.
1231
00:57:29,617 --> 00:57:31,886
I mean, they don't go
together necessarily.
1232
00:57:31,986 --> 00:57:36,190
Uh, sometimes they do.
Quit a lot they don't.
1233
00:57:36,290 --> 00:57:39,460
Anyway, I want to resurrect
myself as it were,
1234
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,829
and continue a career.
1235
00:57:42,530 --> 00:57:45,032
It started off when I was
finally induced to go to these
1236
00:57:45,132 --> 00:57:47,468
Dark Shadows fan conventions.
1237
00:57:47,568 --> 00:57:50,771
It was a thing called ShadowCon.
Out on the West Coast.
1238
00:57:50,871 --> 00:57:54,141
And after going to one
or two of them,
1239
00:57:54,241 --> 00:57:56,510
where I would simply
answer questions
1240
00:57:56,610 --> 00:57:59,847
about Dark Shadows,
and sign autographs,
1241
00:57:59,947 --> 00:58:01,849
I thought I would do
some readings.
1242
00:58:01,949 --> 00:58:03,718
Give them something new.
1243
00:58:03,818 --> 00:58:07,221
To see me as something other
than Barnabas Collins.
1244
00:58:09,290 --> 00:58:12,660
- So, Dark Shadows had a big
relaunch in syndication
1245
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,028
in 1982.
1246
00:58:14,128 --> 00:58:18,132
I was just about to start an
all-boys Catholic high school,
1247
00:58:18,232 --> 00:58:19,700
that I was dreading.
1248
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,637
And in Dark Shadows
I found an escape,
1249
00:58:23,738 --> 00:58:25,940
and I immediately fell in love
with the show.
1250
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,343
I became part of the fan
community, joined a fan group.
1251
00:58:29,443 --> 00:58:32,713
Began contributing to a fanzine.
1252
00:58:32,813 --> 00:58:36,784
And that group decided to stage
1253
00:58:36,884 --> 00:58:40,321
the first ever
East Coast convention,
1254
00:58:40,421 --> 00:58:44,058
and Jonathan became part
of our planning committee.
1255
00:58:44,158 --> 00:58:46,894
- The Dark Shadows
conventions started,
1256
00:58:46,994 --> 00:58:51,599
and then Jonathan always liked
to do dramatic readings,
1257
00:58:51,699 --> 00:58:53,667
this is before
his one-man shows,
1258
00:58:53,768 --> 00:58:56,871
and he asked me
to do scenes with him.
1259
00:58:56,971 --> 00:59:00,207
And one of the most memorable
was Macbeth,
1260
00:59:00,307 --> 00:59:02,143
and Lady Macbeth, of course.
1261
00:59:02,243 --> 00:59:04,945
- I met Jonathan in 1983.
1262
00:59:05,046 --> 00:59:09,617
Very quickly it became clear
to him that I wanted to work.
1263
00:59:09,717 --> 00:59:13,020
And Jonathan loved people
who wanted to work,
1264
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:18,492
and were going to bring their
passion and enthusiasm
1265
00:59:18,592 --> 00:59:19,760
to working with him.
1266
00:59:19,860 --> 00:59:21,495
- I did a whole show.
1267
00:59:21,595 --> 00:59:24,031
The first part was the rolls
I had played in the past,
1268
00:59:24,131 --> 00:59:26,867
that might have influenced me
in my playing of Barnabas.
1269
00:59:26,967 --> 00:59:31,539
And then, the second part,
was material written by fans,
1270
00:59:31,639 --> 00:59:33,207
and a lot of it was very good.
1271
00:59:34,308 --> 00:59:36,444
There was a vampire named Frid,
1272
00:59:36,544 --> 00:59:39,146
[audience chuckles]
1273
00:59:39,246 --> 00:59:41,849
Went into his coffin he hid,
1274
00:59:41,949 --> 00:59:43,851
he couldn't get out
and began to shout,
1275
00:59:43,951 --> 00:59:46,153
"Will someone please
oil the lid."
1276
00:59:46,253 --> 00:59:47,888
[audience laughs]
1277
00:59:48,122 --> 00:59:50,191
From ghoulies and ghosties,
1278
00:59:50,291 --> 00:59:51,926
and long leggedy beasties,
1279
00:59:52,026 --> 00:59:53,761
and things that go boop
in the night,
1280
00:59:53,861 --> 00:59:55,629
good Lord deliver us.
1281
00:59:55,729 --> 00:59:57,765
Thank you very much.
[audience applauds]
1282
00:59:57,865 --> 00:59:59,867
- So then, not long after that,
1283
00:59:59,967 --> 01:00:02,570
they did a special
on New Jersey Network,
1284
01:00:02,670 --> 01:00:04,438
where Jonathan was live
in the studio,
1285
01:00:04,538 --> 01:00:07,608
and I happened to be
one of the fans on the phones.
1286
01:00:07,708 --> 01:00:10,845
- Enough of Barnabas.
What about you personally?
1287
01:00:10,945 --> 01:00:12,913
What about your career paths
for the future?
1288
01:00:13,013 --> 01:00:13,581
Where are you headed?
1289
01:00:13,681 --> 01:00:15,583
- I'm going to develop
this one-man show
1290
01:00:15,683 --> 01:00:18,619
I've been doing
at Dark Shadows festivals.
1291
01:00:18,719 --> 01:00:19,753
It's called The Genesis of Evil.
1292
01:00:19,854 --> 01:00:23,624
And I'm going to take it away
from emphasis on Dark Shadows,
1293
01:00:23,724 --> 01:00:26,694
and make it more universal
for a universal audience.
1294
01:00:26,794 --> 01:00:29,463
- He had the energy for it.
He had the material for it.
1295
01:00:29,563 --> 01:00:30,831
He had all the ideas for it.
1296
01:00:30,931 --> 01:00:33,567
There was just one element
that was missing.
1297
01:00:33,667 --> 01:00:35,769
He needed someone
to organize it,
1298
01:00:35,870 --> 01:00:38,372
manage it, produce it, sell it.
1299
01:00:38,472 --> 01:00:41,642
And he had no idea
who this individual might be,
1300
01:00:41,742 --> 01:00:43,978
but ultimately,
he found that person.
1301
01:00:44,078 --> 01:00:47,748
- I watched the special
on New Jersey Network,
1302
01:00:47,848 --> 01:00:49,984
and Jonathan performed
Edgar Allan Poe's
1303
01:00:50,084 --> 01:00:51,452
The Tell-Tale Heart,
1304
01:00:51,552 --> 01:00:53,721
and a soliloquy
from Richard III,
1305
01:00:53,821 --> 01:00:55,322
and it was mesmerizing.
1306
01:00:55,422 --> 01:00:57,925
- I wrote Jonathan
this letter...
1307
01:00:58,025 --> 01:00:59,860
This is the actual letter.
1308
01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:03,030
And so I was fifteen years old
and I basically said,
1309
01:01:03,130 --> 01:01:06,800
uh, "You are a very
talented performer
1310
01:01:06,901 --> 01:01:08,769
and I hope that this
experience",
1311
01:01:08,869 --> 01:01:10,204
meaning the special,
1312
01:01:10,304 --> 01:01:13,674
"gets you back into some
serious acting.
1313
01:01:13,774 --> 01:01:15,910
You are too good to waste."
1314
01:01:16,010 --> 01:01:17,878
- After I watched the special,
1315
01:01:17,978 --> 01:01:20,247
I decided to write
Jonathan a letter.
1316
01:01:20,347 --> 01:01:22,950
- He had these two letters
on his desk at the same time,
1317
01:01:23,050 --> 01:01:26,120
and he was like,
"Maybe this is synchronicity."
1318
01:01:26,220 --> 01:01:31,025
On April 1st, 1985,
Jonathan Frid had Mary O'Leary
1319
01:01:31,125 --> 01:01:33,060
who at that point was in
the production office
1320
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:34,061
at Guiding Light,
1321
01:01:34,161 --> 01:01:36,597
and me over to his apartment
for a meeting.
1322
01:01:36,697 --> 01:01:39,567
- When Jonathan explained that
he had been reading to fans
1323
01:01:39,667 --> 01:01:41,368
at Dark Shadows conventions,
1324
01:01:41,468 --> 01:01:44,438
I said, "You could do a similar
style with your show."
1325
01:01:44,538 --> 01:01:45,706
"It could be readers theater."
1326
01:01:45,806 --> 01:01:47,708
And he hadn't heard that term.
1327
01:01:47,808 --> 01:01:49,610
I said,
"It's what you've been doing.
1328
01:01:49,710 --> 01:01:51,178
"Take your script,
stand at a podium,
1329
01:01:51,278 --> 01:01:52,279
"and tell a story.
1330
01:01:52,379 --> 01:01:55,950
"But it's with your expressions,
and your voice
1331
01:01:56,050 --> 01:01:58,252
"that you create
all these characters.
1332
01:01:58,352 --> 01:02:01,388
A whole world for this audience
to enter into."
1333
01:02:01,488 --> 01:02:05,059
- My job was to basically
troll my local library
1334
01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:08,395
after school and on weekends,
1335
01:02:08,495 --> 01:02:14,902
and find short stories,
poems, pieces of verse.
1336
01:02:15,002 --> 01:02:20,474
Um, you know, anything
work for the creative
1337
01:02:20,574 --> 01:02:22,076
concept of the show.
1338
01:02:22,176 --> 01:02:25,012
And I found this story called
"The Cask of Amontillado."
1339
01:02:25,112 --> 01:02:26,513
Jonathan really liked it,
1340
01:02:26,614 --> 01:02:29,583
and it ended up becoming
like, a signature piece.
1341
01:02:29,683 --> 01:02:32,653
It really captured
what fascinated Jonathan
1342
01:02:32,753 --> 01:02:34,588
about the nature of evil.
1343
01:02:34,688 --> 01:02:36,357
Here's a guy who thinks
somebody's his friend,
1344
01:02:36,457 --> 01:02:38,826
and then, spoiler alert,
kills him.
1345
01:02:38,926 --> 01:02:40,861
[water dripping]
1346
01:02:40,961 --> 01:02:43,397
- It was now midnight,
1347
01:02:43,497 --> 01:02:47,034
and my task
was drawing to a close.
1348
01:02:47,134 --> 01:02:51,472
I completed the eighth,
the ninth, and the tenth tier.
1349
01:02:51,572 --> 01:02:55,042
I could finish the portion
of the last and the eleventh;
1350
01:02:55,142 --> 01:02:58,312
there remained but a single
stone to be fitted
1351
01:02:58,412 --> 01:03:00,214
and plastered in.
1352
01:03:00,314 --> 01:03:01,749
I called aloud,
1353
01:03:03,817 --> 01:03:04,952
"Fortunato."
1354
01:03:06,854 --> 01:03:08,255
No answer.
1355
01:03:08,489 --> 01:03:11,759
I hasten to make an end
to my labor.
1356
01:03:11,859 --> 01:03:15,529
I forced the last stone
into position,
1357
01:03:15,629 --> 01:03:17,865
I plastered it up.
1358
01:03:19,700 --> 01:03:20,834
Against the new masonry
1359
01:03:20,934 --> 01:03:24,638
I re-erected the old rampart
of bones.
1360
01:03:26,740 --> 01:03:33,847
For the half of the century
no mortal has disturbed them.
1361
01:03:33,947 --> 01:03:36,417
[water dripping]
1362
01:03:36,517 --> 01:03:42,356
In pace requiescat!
1363
01:03:42,456 --> 01:03:45,225
[water dripping]
1364
01:03:47,995 --> 01:03:49,096
- Jonathan from time to time
1365
01:03:49,196 --> 01:03:51,265
would invite the fans
to come to his apartment,
1366
01:03:51,365 --> 01:03:54,234
where he would rehearse
his one-man shows.
1367
01:03:54,335 --> 01:03:56,236
And he wanted
constructive feedback
1368
01:03:56,337 --> 01:03:58,472
about what we liked
and what we didn't like.
1369
01:03:58,572 --> 01:04:00,841
- And he asked, you know,
"If you have pieces
1370
01:04:00,941 --> 01:04:03,077
"that you're interested
in seeing me do,
1371
01:04:03,177 --> 01:04:04,945
I would be very interested."
1372
01:04:05,045 --> 01:04:07,181
And I remember after
one of these rehearsals,
1373
01:04:07,281 --> 01:04:09,216
I did send him a copy
of that page
1374
01:04:09,316 --> 01:04:10,784
out of Appointment and Sumera.
1375
01:04:10,884 --> 01:04:13,287
Just saying that I would love
to see you do this.
1376
01:04:13,387 --> 01:04:15,422
I never expected it
to be in the show.
1377
01:04:17,791 --> 01:04:20,260
- There was a merchant
in Baghdad
1378
01:04:20,361 --> 01:04:24,298
who sent his servant to market
to buy provisions.
1379
01:04:24,398 --> 01:04:27,000
And in a little while
the servant came back
1380
01:04:27,101 --> 01:04:28,502
white and trembling, and said,
1381
01:04:28,602 --> 01:04:31,271
"Master, just now when
I was at the market place.
1382
01:04:31,372 --> 01:04:32,940
"I was jostled by a woman
in the crowd
1383
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:34,241
"and when I turned I saw
1384
01:04:34,341 --> 01:04:36,577
that it was Death
that jostled me."
1385
01:04:36,677 --> 01:04:38,445
- The first time I met Jonathan
1386
01:04:38,545 --> 01:04:40,280
was at a Dark Shadows festival.
1387
01:04:40,381 --> 01:04:43,250
And he was doing the performance
of a show he was developing.
1388
01:04:43,350 --> 01:04:46,420
I wrote for several publications
and I wrote a review.
1389
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,524
Then we wanted me
to come meet him and Mary.
1390
01:04:50,624 --> 01:04:54,261
They asked me to, uh,
if I would work for them
1391
01:04:54,361 --> 01:04:55,162
as a writer.
1392
01:04:55,262 --> 01:04:58,298
I would work with Mary primarily
to write promotional material
1393
01:04:58,399 --> 01:05:00,000
to the schools and colleges.
1394
01:05:00,100 --> 01:05:03,337
And I worked with Jonathan,
assisting him with narration
1395
01:05:03,437 --> 01:05:05,038
in-between the stories.
1396
01:05:05,139 --> 01:05:08,809
- I tried two or three different
ideas which didn't work.
1397
01:05:08,909 --> 01:05:12,346
And so I finally evolved
this simple collection
1398
01:05:12,446 --> 01:05:15,282
of stories and poetry.
1399
01:05:15,382 --> 01:05:16,784
I started my own
production company
1400
01:05:16,884 --> 01:05:18,419
called Clunes and Associates
1401
01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:21,121
and Mary O'Leary
is my co-producer
1402
01:05:21,221 --> 01:05:22,990
and she's general manager.
1403
01:05:23,090 --> 01:05:25,359
- He was a man of integrity.
1404
01:05:25,459 --> 01:05:28,128
Honesty was the most
important thing.
1405
01:05:28,228 --> 01:05:30,464
Jonathan said, "If we're going
to be business partners,
1406
01:05:30,564 --> 01:05:32,866
"I have to know that you will
always be honest,
1407
01:05:32,966 --> 01:05:36,136
"even if there's something
difficult you want to tell me.
1408
01:05:36,236 --> 01:05:38,572
Don't be afraid, tell me."
1409
01:05:38,672 --> 01:05:41,308
- Here I am,
not only running a new business,
1410
01:05:41,408 --> 01:05:42,643
which I've never done
in my life,
1411
01:05:42,743 --> 01:05:43,844
but I'm a story teller,
1412
01:05:43,944 --> 01:05:45,379
which is not quit
the same as acting.
1413
01:05:45,479 --> 01:05:47,114
There's a lot
of resemblance to it.
1414
01:05:47,214 --> 01:05:50,417
But where as I'm-- do not have
people on the stage with me,
1415
01:05:50,517 --> 01:05:52,553
I play to the audience.
1416
01:05:52,653 --> 01:05:54,955
And so my audience
is my feedback,
1417
01:05:55,055 --> 01:05:57,024
and they're almost
the other actors.
1418
01:05:57,124 --> 01:06:01,128
It's quit different
and absolutely thrilling.
1419
01:06:01,228 --> 01:06:02,362
- Jonathan would get a story
1420
01:06:02,463 --> 01:06:04,097
and he would read it over
and over again,
1421
01:06:04,198 --> 01:06:06,967
looking for the emotional truth
of ever single character
1422
01:06:07,067 --> 01:06:08,202
in that story.
1423
01:06:08,302 --> 01:06:10,437
He really worked very hard
on these shows.
1424
01:06:10,537 --> 01:06:12,473
[telephone ringing]
1425
01:06:14,007 --> 01:06:15,275
- Hello?
1426
01:06:17,377 --> 01:06:18,879
Hello, Frank.
1427
01:06:20,914 --> 01:06:22,416
Who's this?
1428
01:06:23,650 --> 01:06:26,787
You know me.
It's Len.
1429
01:06:27,654 --> 01:06:29,823
Oh, Len Styres.
1430
01:06:32,059 --> 01:06:35,929
Cold, deep and intense.
1431
01:06:36,029 --> 01:06:39,366
Receiver dead cold metal
in my hand.
1432
01:06:41,368 --> 01:06:43,837
Leonard Styles died
four weeks ago.
1433
01:06:45,372 --> 01:06:48,542
For weeks, three days, two hours
1434
01:06:48,642 --> 01:06:51,378
and 27 minutes to be exact.
1435
01:06:51,745 --> 01:06:53,447
This is a damn poor joke.
1436
01:06:53,547 --> 01:06:55,449
No joke, Frank.
1437
01:06:55,549 --> 01:06:58,886
You're there alive
and I'm here dead.
1438
01:07:00,020 --> 01:07:01,688
You know something, old buddy.
1439
01:07:01,788 --> 01:07:03,957
I'm really glad I did it.
1440
01:07:05,526 --> 01:07:06,660
Did what?
1441
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,262
Killed myself.
1442
01:07:09,496 --> 01:07:12,499
- Mary booked Jonathan
at a college
1443
01:07:12,599 --> 01:07:14,868
up in Newport, Rhode Island,
1444
01:07:14,968 --> 01:07:20,040
where the house that was used
as the exterior of Collinwood
1445
01:07:20,140 --> 01:07:23,944
for five years
happen to be adorn.
1446
01:07:24,044 --> 01:07:27,114
So when he did
his first performance,
1447
01:07:27,214 --> 01:07:30,250
it was Barnabas Collins
back at Collinwood.
1448
01:07:30,350 --> 01:07:32,152
- I must say,
my first engagement
1449
01:07:32,252 --> 01:07:34,888
up at Salve Regina College
in Newport, Rhode Island,
1450
01:07:34,988 --> 01:07:36,690
got a fantastic review up there.
1451
01:07:36,790 --> 01:07:38,525
Certainly, it was like
a press release.
1452
01:07:38,625 --> 01:07:41,328
- To see his enthusiasm
and excitement
1453
01:07:41,428 --> 01:07:45,198
that now we are heading into
this entire period of his life,
1454
01:07:45,299 --> 01:07:46,466
where he was going to tour,
1455
01:07:46,567 --> 01:07:48,368
was just something
that was so wonderful.
1456
01:07:48,468 --> 01:07:50,404
- I have to say,
as somebody who wrote
1457
01:07:50,504 --> 01:07:51,905
Jonathan a letter saying,
1458
01:07:52,005 --> 01:07:54,107
"You're too talented to waste."
1459
01:07:54,207 --> 01:07:56,276
Being there to see that moment,
1460
01:07:56,376 --> 01:08:00,047
felt like a success story.
1461
01:08:00,147 --> 01:08:04,785
It felt like we set out to do
something and we succeeded.
1462
01:08:05,419 --> 01:08:07,588
- I got a call from an agent
named Bob Waters,
1463
01:08:07,688 --> 01:08:10,157
who said, "Would Jonathan Frid,
who you ware working with,
1464
01:08:10,257 --> 01:08:12,459
"be interested in doing
Arsenic and Old Lace?
1465
01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:15,862
We'll go on a national tour
with Gene Stapleton."
1466
01:08:15,963 --> 01:08:18,498
Jonathan was perfect
for Jonathan Brewster.
1467
01:08:18,599 --> 01:08:21,735
- And all of a sudden he was now
a Broadway actor again,
1468
01:08:21,835 --> 01:08:23,637
and you'd walk on 46th street
1469
01:08:23,737 --> 01:08:25,405
and there's
Jonathan Frid's picture
1470
01:08:25,505 --> 01:08:27,274
on the 46th Street Theater.
1471
01:08:27,941 --> 01:08:30,544
- I was a nervous wreck
for two weeks in New York,
1472
01:08:30,644 --> 01:08:32,746
like I used to be
in Dark Shadows,
1473
01:08:32,846 --> 01:08:33,981
because I wasn't ready.
1474
01:08:34,081 --> 01:08:36,416
When I got to Washington
after a week in Louisville,
1475
01:08:36,516 --> 01:08:40,053
and a week in New Haven,
I really began to enjoy it.
1476
01:08:40,153 --> 01:08:41,989
Now I'm just having a ball.
1477
01:08:42,656 --> 01:08:46,660
- I went to see Jonathan Frid
in Arsenic and Old Lace.
1478
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:48,195
He was so letter perfect.
1479
01:08:48,295 --> 01:08:49,696
He was so sure.
1480
01:08:49,796 --> 01:08:51,298
He amazed me.
1481
01:08:52,132 --> 01:08:53,400
- In all the comedies
I've been in,
1482
01:08:53,500 --> 01:08:57,170
I've never seen waives
of laughter all night long.
1483
01:08:57,270 --> 01:08:59,306
When the audience
doesn't laugh at a joke,
1484
01:08:59,406 --> 01:09:00,741
it's because they're exhausted.
1485
01:09:00,841 --> 01:09:03,577
- But we got a hot stiff
on our hands.
1486
01:09:03,677 --> 01:09:05,278
- Forget Mr. Spenalzo.
1487
01:09:05,379 --> 01:09:08,782
- But, you can't leave
a dead body in the rumble seat.
1488
01:09:08,882 --> 01:09:10,417
[audience laughing]
1489
01:09:10,517 --> 01:09:12,185
You shouldn't have killed him,
Johnny.
1490
01:09:12,285 --> 01:09:13,186
He's a nice fellow.
1491
01:09:13,286 --> 01:09:15,322
He gives us a lift
and what happened.
1492
01:09:15,422 --> 01:09:18,358
- He said I look like
Boris Karloff.
1493
01:09:18,458 --> 01:09:21,361
That's your work, doctor.
You did that to me.
- Easy, easy, Johnny.
1494
01:09:21,461 --> 01:09:23,063
- We were on tour.
1495
01:09:23,163 --> 01:09:25,298
Toured all the major cities
1496
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:28,535
and stayed two weeks.
1497
01:09:28,635 --> 01:09:32,272
Always there would be
this bunch of people,
1498
01:09:32,372 --> 01:09:34,908
and they'd be waiting
to see Jonathan,
1499
01:09:35,008 --> 01:09:37,711
and to have him
all to themselves.
1500
01:09:37,811 --> 01:09:40,447
They weren't interested
in us at all.
1501
01:09:40,547 --> 01:09:44,418
These people had not been to see
Arsenic and Old Lace,
1502
01:09:44,518 --> 01:09:46,420
they came to see Jonathan Frid.
1503
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,989
- I do my calisthenics
backstage every night
1504
01:09:49,089 --> 01:09:50,223
before I go on.
1505
01:09:50,323 --> 01:09:53,026
And it either revs me up
or calms me down.
1506
01:09:53,126 --> 01:09:54,961
Depending on what I want
at the particular moment.
1507
01:09:55,062 --> 01:09:56,663
I look idiotic back there.
1508
01:09:56,763 --> 01:09:58,398
I mean, I don't have sneakers
1509
01:09:58,498 --> 01:10:01,535
and I look like some kind of
a scare crow back there.
1510
01:10:01,635 --> 01:10:03,236
You know, doing my exercises.
1511
01:10:03,336 --> 01:10:04,971
- He looked like
a black vulture walking.
1512
01:10:05,072 --> 01:10:08,375
He's very tall,
very angular, you know.
1513
01:10:08,475 --> 01:10:12,345
He would be on, I'd think,
"Oh wow, there he goes."
1514
01:10:12,446 --> 01:10:14,014
[laughing]
1515
01:10:14,114 --> 01:10:15,649
- Arsenic and Old Lace,
1516
01:10:15,749 --> 01:10:17,551
the starriest show in town.
1517
01:10:17,651 --> 01:10:19,052
- We play the Brewster sisters.
1518
01:10:19,152 --> 01:10:20,987
- We give comfort
to lonely old men.
1519
01:10:21,088 --> 01:10:22,589
- Everyone needs a hobby.
1520
01:10:22,689 --> 01:10:24,991
- But then their handsome nephew
drops in. That's me.
1521
01:10:25,092 --> 01:10:26,693
- And their other nephew,
the black sheep.
1522
01:10:26,793 --> 01:10:27,494
That is I.
1523
01:10:27,594 --> 01:10:29,663
- Not to mention
Teddy Roosevelt, the mad doctor,
1524
01:10:29,763 --> 01:10:31,298
and most of the police
department.
1525
01:10:31,398 --> 01:10:34,267
- For lost of laughs.
- For a little Arsenic
and Old Lace.
1526
01:10:34,367 --> 01:10:35,502
- Come on over to our house.
1527
01:10:35,602 --> 01:10:37,137
- Everyone is dying to see you.
1528
01:10:37,237 --> 01:10:38,872
- Uh...
[thud]
1529
01:10:39,639 --> 01:10:43,043
- I was able to get bookings
for his one-man show
1530
01:10:43,143 --> 01:10:44,444
on Monday night off.
1531
01:10:44,544 --> 01:10:46,780
So, he didn't have to stop
his one-man show.
1532
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,316
- I think Arsenic and Old Lace
1533
01:10:49,416 --> 01:10:52,219
fueled the success
of his one-man shows.
1534
01:10:52,319 --> 01:10:54,788
- To really talk about the
present and the future,
1535
01:10:54,888 --> 01:10:58,158
for me, in addition to
Arsenic and Old Lace,
1536
01:10:58,258 --> 01:11:01,461
which has given me
a complete new lease on life.
1537
01:11:01,561 --> 01:11:04,531
It has also given me
an opportunity to develop
1538
01:11:04,631 --> 01:11:05,832
my one-man show called,
1539
01:11:05,932 --> 01:11:07,567
Jonathan Frid's Fools
and Fiends.
1540
01:11:07,667 --> 01:11:10,370
So, you see, I'm not getting
away from my reputation,
1541
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:12,305
I'm carrying it with me
in this own-man show,
1542
01:11:12,405 --> 01:11:14,207
and I have a ball doing it.
1543
01:11:14,307 --> 01:11:16,143
And as far as live theater
is concerned,
1544
01:11:16,243 --> 01:11:19,246
that's as lively as I-- I forget
1545
01:11:19,346 --> 01:11:21,515
I play all the rolls.
I play everything.
1546
01:11:21,615 --> 01:11:22,516
That's what I love about it.
1547
01:11:22,616 --> 01:11:24,684
- He could scoop it up
one minute.
1548
01:11:24,785 --> 01:11:25,619
He could be funny.
1549
01:11:25,719 --> 01:11:28,388
He could shift back
and forth between comedy
1550
01:11:28,488 --> 01:11:29,456
and drama.
1551
01:11:29,556 --> 01:11:31,825
And it was really
a marvelous experience
1552
01:11:31,925 --> 01:11:33,426
to watch him perform.
1553
01:11:35,428 --> 01:11:38,365
- And I had a lunch
with this chap in New York
1554
01:11:38,465 --> 01:11:40,467
who wants to be my agent,
and he's a wonderful agent.
1555
01:11:40,567 --> 01:11:44,070
But I said, "Listen, Bob,
we've got other things to do,
1556
01:11:44,171 --> 01:11:45,605
"and I don't want to be
side tracked again.
1557
01:11:45,705 --> 01:11:47,541
I did it with Arsenic,
but not again."
1558
01:11:47,641 --> 01:11:49,476
I want to spend
the next three years
1559
01:11:49,576 --> 01:11:52,813
building a tour all over
the whole country,
1560
01:11:52,913 --> 01:11:54,281
and indeed we are.
1561
01:11:54,381 --> 01:11:57,717
We're getting more and more
engagements all the time.
1562
01:11:57,818 --> 01:12:00,187
We're going to colleges
and theaters.
1563
01:12:00,287 --> 01:12:01,121
Coast to coast.
1564
01:12:01,221 --> 01:12:03,490
- When he started
his one-man shows,
1565
01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:07,060
I began going to the ones
not only at the conventions,
1566
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:09,196
but the libraries in New York.
1567
01:12:09,296 --> 01:12:12,332
After which he would have
a celebratory dinner.
1568
01:12:12,432 --> 01:12:14,668
With some of his fans and me,
1569
01:12:14,768 --> 01:12:18,705
and we just became
really close friends
1570
01:12:18,805 --> 01:12:19,906
from that point on.
1571
01:12:20,006 --> 01:12:21,675
- Now I'm putting on
a new one called,
1572
01:12:21,775 --> 01:12:24,110
Jonathan Frid in a Lighter Vein.
1573
01:12:24,211 --> 01:12:25,645
There's a little bit of a play
on a word.
1574
01:12:25,745 --> 01:12:28,782
But however,
it's going to be less ghoulish
1575
01:12:28,882 --> 01:12:29,950
than Fools and Fiends.
1576
01:12:30,050 --> 01:12:31,418
It won't be ghoulish at all.
1577
01:12:31,518 --> 01:12:34,120
There will be evil people in it,
but there always are.
1578
01:12:34,221 --> 01:12:37,457
You can't write a story
without an evil element.
1579
01:12:37,557 --> 01:12:39,159
Or a play without
an evil element.
1580
01:12:39,259 --> 01:12:41,728
So then the next--
Also next year
1581
01:12:41,828 --> 01:12:45,565
I plan to have ready
Shakespeare's Fools and Fiends.
1582
01:12:45,665 --> 01:12:49,002
In which I will be dealing
with some of the fools,
1583
01:12:49,102 --> 01:12:52,205
Shakespeare writes
in upper case fools,
1584
01:12:52,305 --> 01:12:55,041
and also some foolish people
from Shakespeare.
1585
01:12:55,141 --> 01:12:57,510
And then my last part
of the show will be
1586
01:12:57,611 --> 01:12:59,045
the rise and fall of a fiend,
1587
01:12:59,145 --> 01:13:00,380
or the rise and fall
of a tyrant.
1588
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:03,083
Meaning, a kind of observation,
a study
1589
01:13:03,183 --> 01:13:05,185
of the rise an fall
of Richard III.
1590
01:13:05,285 --> 01:13:09,656
- Perjury.
Perjury in the highest degree.
1591
01:13:09,756 --> 01:13:13,026
Murder, stern murder
in the direst degree.
1592
01:13:13,126 --> 01:13:16,630
All several sins,
all used in each degree.
1593
01:13:16,730 --> 01:13:18,598
Throng to the bar, crying all.
1594
01:13:18,698 --> 01:13:20,800
"Guilty! Guilty!"
1595
01:13:22,202 --> 01:13:23,904
I shall despair.
1596
01:13:25,305 --> 01:13:27,173
There is no creature loves me.
1597
01:13:28,842 --> 01:13:32,445
And if I die
no soul shall pity me.
1598
01:13:33,079 --> 01:13:37,017
- Jonathan and Mary developed
these three one-man shows.
1599
01:13:37,117 --> 01:13:39,686
He would get booked at theaters,
and conferences,
1600
01:13:39,786 --> 01:13:42,222
corporate events,
private parties,
1601
01:13:42,322 --> 01:13:45,125
universities, and colleges,
and even on a cruise ship.
1602
01:13:45,225 --> 01:13:47,861
- Jonathan's Evil Eye,
which has been commissioned
1603
01:13:47,961 --> 01:13:51,665
by the Norwegian Cruise Lines
for their S.S. Norway cruise
1604
01:13:51,765 --> 01:13:53,300
this fall.
1605
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,001
So I'm going to be cruising
through the Caribbean
1606
01:13:55,101 --> 01:13:56,670
doing Evil Eye.
1607
01:13:56,770 --> 01:13:59,039
And that, of course,
that is a quote
1608
01:13:59,139 --> 01:14:00,807
from The Tell-Tale Heart.
1609
01:14:00,907 --> 01:14:02,842
I was never kinder
to the old man
1610
01:14:02,943 --> 01:14:06,579
than during the whole week
before I killed him.
1611
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,949
And every night, about midnight,
1612
01:14:09,049 --> 01:14:13,086
I turned the latch of his door,
and opened it,
1613
01:14:13,186 --> 01:14:15,255
oh, so gently.
1614
01:14:15,355 --> 01:14:16,756
And then,
when I had made an opening
1615
01:14:16,856 --> 01:14:18,858
sufficient for my head,
1616
01:14:18,959 --> 01:14:23,229
I put in a dark lantern.
All close, close,
1617
01:14:23,330 --> 01:14:25,632
so that no light shown out.
1618
01:14:25,732 --> 01:14:27,334
And then, I thrusted my head.
1619
01:14:29,169 --> 01:14:30,737
When my head was
well in the room,
1620
01:14:30,837 --> 01:14:34,040
I undid the lantern
cautiously-oh,
1621
01:14:34,140 --> 01:14:36,242
so cautiously.
1622
01:14:36,343 --> 01:14:39,412
Cautiously for the
hinges creaked.
1623
01:14:39,512 --> 01:14:42,482
And I undid it just so much
that a single thin ray
1624
01:14:42,582 --> 01:14:44,551
fell upon the vulture eye.
1625
01:14:44,651 --> 01:14:47,988
And this I did
for seven long nights.
1626
01:14:48,088 --> 01:14:50,423
Every night, just at midnight,
1627
01:14:50,523 --> 01:14:53,893
but I found the eye
always closed;
1628
01:14:53,994 --> 01:14:56,029
and so it was impossible
to do the work;
1629
01:14:56,129 --> 01:14:59,165
for it was not the old man
who vexed me,
1630
01:14:59,265 --> 01:15:01,668
but his Evil Eye.
1631
01:15:01,768 --> 01:15:03,903
- The nice thing about
having three shows
1632
01:15:04,004 --> 01:15:06,306
was that he could be booked
at a particular college
1633
01:15:06,406 --> 01:15:08,641
one year and he could
come back the next year,
1634
01:15:08,742 --> 01:15:10,710
or two years later,
and do a different show.
1635
01:15:10,810 --> 01:15:13,013
- In January of 1991,
1636
01:15:13,113 --> 01:15:15,682
Jonathan was doing
his one-man show in Atlanta,
1637
01:15:15,782 --> 01:15:17,350
I believe it was
Fools and Fiends,
1638
01:15:17,450 --> 01:15:20,020
and I took my mother to see it
for her birthday.
1639
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,255
And the show was great,
and Jonathan was wonderful,
1640
01:15:22,355 --> 01:15:24,758
and he was very, very gracious,
and personable
1641
01:15:24,858 --> 01:15:26,760
in the meet and greets
in the lobby after the show.
1642
01:15:26,860 --> 01:15:28,061
I was the director of theater
1643
01:15:28,161 --> 01:15:29,829
in Georgia College
and State University,
1644
01:15:29,929 --> 01:15:32,065
and the next week
we booked Jonathan.
1645
01:15:32,165 --> 01:15:35,035
And three weeks later he was
doing Fridiculousness at school.
1646
01:15:35,135 --> 01:15:37,837
It was very well received.
He was great with the students.
1647
01:15:37,937 --> 01:15:38,738
He did workshops
1648
01:15:38,838 --> 01:15:41,741
where he worked on text
from Richard III with them.
1649
01:15:41,841 --> 01:15:43,510
And I think he liked our town.
1650
01:15:43,610 --> 01:15:45,412
He liked living in the old
governor's mansion.
1651
01:15:45,512 --> 01:15:48,314
And we brought him back to do
Shakespearean Odyssey.
1652
01:15:48,415 --> 01:15:50,717
We had Thornton Wilder
play Our Town
1653
01:15:50,817 --> 01:15:52,285
scheduled for the next season.
1654
01:15:52,385 --> 01:15:54,854
And I said, "Jonathan, why don't
you come and play the narrator."
1655
01:15:54,954 --> 01:15:56,356
And he said,
"I'm not interested in that,
1656
01:15:56,456 --> 01:15:58,224
but I might like to direct."
1657
01:15:58,324 --> 01:16:00,293
So I said, "Sure.
What do you want to direct?"
1658
01:16:00,393 --> 01:16:02,128
And he came up with
The Lion in Winter.
1659
01:16:02,429 --> 01:16:04,330
- Jonathan had called me
and said,
1660
01:16:04,431 --> 01:16:07,267
"I'd love you to play Eleanor,
the fabulous roll."
1661
01:16:07,367 --> 01:16:08,568
- [chuckles]
1662
01:16:08,668 --> 01:16:11,638
- That was all I needed to know
and I said, "Oh, yes."
1663
01:16:11,738 --> 01:16:15,408
Even though this was really his,
"debut", as he always called it,
1664
01:16:15,508 --> 01:16:18,111
Jonathan was a wonderful
director in this way.
1665
01:16:18,211 --> 01:16:21,081
He told us in the beginning
exactly what he wanted.
1666
01:16:21,181 --> 01:16:24,284
An overall picture.
He spend quit a bit of time
1667
01:16:24,384 --> 01:16:27,187
on that first rehearsal
telling us that.
1668
01:16:27,287 --> 01:16:31,858
And then once we started
working, he gave us free reign,
1669
01:16:31,958 --> 01:16:34,561
so that he didn't interfere.
1670
01:16:34,661 --> 01:16:37,363
And as long as you knew what
you were doing, this was great.
1671
01:16:37,464 --> 01:16:41,901
If you didn't, then he would
guide one of the kids in a way,
1672
01:16:42,001 --> 01:16:44,904
and it worked very smoothly.
1673
01:16:45,004 --> 01:16:47,674
And so many fans
from Dark Shadows came,
1674
01:16:47,774 --> 01:16:50,009
and we would have talks
afterwards.
1675
01:16:50,110 --> 01:16:51,578
It was wonderful.
1676
01:16:51,744 --> 01:16:54,114
- [V/O] The Clunes Associates
partnership was dissolved
1677
01:16:54,214 --> 01:16:55,648
in 1994.
1678
01:16:55,748 --> 01:16:58,184
Jonathan, who retained
his Canadian citizenship
1679
01:16:58,284 --> 01:17:00,687
throughout his forty years
in the United States,
1680
01:17:00,787 --> 01:17:02,188
retired to his homeland.
1681
01:17:02,288 --> 01:17:04,757
- Got a phone call that Uncle
Jonathan was going to be
1682
01:17:04,858 --> 01:17:06,559
moving back to Canada.
1683
01:17:06,659 --> 01:17:07,927
As he had turned 70
1684
01:17:08,027 --> 01:17:11,564
and wanted to slow the pace
down in his life.
1685
01:17:11,664 --> 01:17:16,136
And um, basically spend his
remaining years among family,
1686
01:17:16,236 --> 01:17:19,072
and familiar surroundings.
His home town.
1687
01:17:19,172 --> 01:17:20,940
And my wife and I rented a truck
1688
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:24,511
and we drive down to Manhattan
and parked the truck.
1689
01:17:24,611 --> 01:17:27,046
He had movers there waiting
to fill the truck,
1690
01:17:27,147 --> 01:17:29,749
and we made our way
back up to Canada.
1691
01:17:29,849 --> 01:17:31,818
He had never really owned
a house before,
1692
01:17:31,918 --> 01:17:34,387
and was very excited
at the prospect of having
1693
01:17:34,487 --> 01:17:36,956
a house he could
put his own stamp on.
1694
01:17:37,056 --> 01:17:42,162
And a garden he could take from
his mind and make it a reality.
1695
01:17:42,262 --> 01:17:44,797
I was aware that he had a small
garden, rooftop garden
1696
01:17:44,898 --> 01:17:46,966
in one of his apartments
in New York.
1697
01:17:47,066 --> 01:17:50,303
So he always had kind of
a green thumb in that regard.
1698
01:17:50,403 --> 01:17:54,707
- Jonathan started meeting
his old friends from school
1699
01:17:54,807 --> 01:17:55,742
that he kept in touch with.
1700
01:17:55,842 --> 01:17:58,511
Every Tuesday they would meet
up there at a pub.
1701
01:17:58,611 --> 01:18:01,147
- He actually kept
the ball rolling in that
1702
01:18:01,247 --> 01:18:03,917
he was performing
his one-man show,
1703
01:18:04,017 --> 01:18:06,786
which were basically
for charity.
1704
01:18:06,886 --> 01:18:08,555
He was always very
critical of himself,
1705
01:18:08,655 --> 01:18:11,858
and he would practice
in the living room.
1706
01:18:11,958 --> 01:18:13,927
- Here we are my dear,
said the better
1707
01:18:14,027 --> 01:18:16,529
of the white MacIntosh
coming in through the window.
1708
01:18:16,629 --> 01:18:19,632
Fairly muddy,
but most of it's dry.
1709
01:18:19,732 --> 01:18:23,169
Say, who's that chap that bolted
out the doors as we came up?
1710
01:18:24,504 --> 01:18:26,206
A most extraordinary man.
1711
01:18:26,306 --> 01:18:28,575
A Mr. Nuttel,
said Mrs. Sappleton,
1712
01:18:28,675 --> 01:18:30,944
could only talk about
his illnesses,
1713
01:18:31,044 --> 01:18:33,746
and dashed off without a word
of good-bye or apology
1714
01:18:33,846 --> 01:18:34,814
when you arrived.
1715
01:18:34,914 --> 01:18:36,883
One would think
he had seen a ghost.
1716
01:18:36,983 --> 01:18:39,986
- Jonathan asked me
if he could hire me
1717
01:18:40,086 --> 01:18:41,721
to come into his house
and help him
1718
01:18:41,821 --> 01:18:43,156
sort through these archives
1719
01:18:43,256 --> 01:18:46,426
that he had brought back
with him from New York.
1720
01:18:46,526 --> 01:18:50,530
My first impression of Jonathan
was that he was very,
1721
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:54,100
he was a very cordial man,
he was very...
1722
01:18:54,200 --> 01:19:00,073
He had a sort of an old
eloquence about him
1723
01:19:00,173 --> 01:19:01,608
that was very charming.
1724
01:19:01,708 --> 01:19:06,145
And...
And, um, very proper.
1725
01:19:06,246 --> 01:19:07,847
We started to chat
because he knew
1726
01:19:07,947 --> 01:19:09,415
that I was budding actor,
1727
01:19:09,515 --> 01:19:11,618
and he started opening up
about his career,
1728
01:19:11,718 --> 01:19:13,219
and we became friends.
1729
01:19:13,886 --> 01:19:17,523
- I did Sir Anthony Absolute
with Sheridan's The Rivals
1730
01:19:17,624 --> 01:19:20,326
in the final year
in prep-school,
1731
01:19:20,426 --> 01:19:23,429
and that was the great
moment of my life.
1732
01:19:23,529 --> 01:19:26,733
When I discovered that I
really wanted to be an actor.
1733
01:19:26,833 --> 01:19:28,868
And I felt that I had talent.
1734
01:19:28,968 --> 01:19:31,371
Um, it was a great breakthrough
in my life,
1735
01:19:31,471 --> 01:19:32,472
because up to that point,
1736
01:19:32,572 --> 01:19:34,140
I didn't know
what I wanted to do.
1737
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:38,611
And nothing was very meaningful
until I got that roll.
1738
01:19:38,711 --> 01:19:43,049
- John never gave up
his love for theater.
1739
01:19:43,149 --> 01:19:45,852
Making theater
was very important.
1740
01:19:45,952 --> 01:19:51,357
There is that soul commitment
to that art,
1741
01:19:51,457 --> 01:19:54,227
which is different than film
and TV
1742
01:19:54,327 --> 01:19:56,162
It's an empathic art
with the audience,
1743
01:19:56,262 --> 01:19:58,298
where you are making a personal
connection every night
1744
01:19:58,398 --> 01:19:59,966
with a blind date,
1745
01:20:00,066 --> 01:20:02,435
and having to win them over,
you know.
1746
01:20:02,535 --> 01:20:04,704
- To an actor on stage,
it's immediate.
1747
01:20:04,804 --> 01:20:06,606
You get the reaction right now,
1748
01:20:06,706 --> 01:20:08,841
or you don't get the reaction.
[chuckles]
1749
01:20:08,941 --> 01:20:11,544
- But that live connection
is what really---
1750
01:20:11,644 --> 01:20:14,013
That's-- That's what it's about.
1751
01:20:14,113 --> 01:20:16,249
That's really what fulfills you.
1752
01:20:16,349 --> 01:20:18,351
- When they applaud,
we're happy.
1753
01:20:18,451 --> 01:20:21,321
We know we've made--
We've touched them.
1754
01:20:21,421 --> 01:20:23,589
- I think all of us look at it
too much as a money game,
1755
01:20:23,690 --> 01:20:27,093
and I got to do movies
and this to be successful.
1756
01:20:27,193 --> 01:20:28,661
Johnny was happy
to be on the stage
1757
01:20:28,761 --> 01:20:31,397
and, you know, doing his thing.
1758
01:20:31,497 --> 01:20:35,635
- First place,
the theater company is a family.
1759
01:20:35,735 --> 01:20:38,905
And even if they've just
come together to do one play,
1760
01:20:39,005 --> 01:20:42,308
but you grow to love each other,
because depend on each other.
1761
01:20:42,408 --> 01:20:45,878
And that's a family,
that's the theater.
1762
01:20:45,978 --> 01:20:47,013
Companies get together,
1763
01:20:47,113 --> 01:20:49,082
but then everybody
goes their ways.
1764
01:20:49,182 --> 01:20:52,852
The magic of an actor is,
1765
01:20:52,952 --> 01:20:56,356
there's a piece of paper
with words on it,
1766
01:20:56,456 --> 01:20:58,958
they're just words,
all they are is ink.
1767
01:20:59,058 --> 01:21:02,228
An actor can go and pick up
the piece of paper,
1768
01:21:02,328 --> 01:21:05,064
look at it, think about it,
1769
01:21:05,164 --> 01:21:07,500
and create a person.
1770
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,937
Who says that the words
that were on the paper
1771
01:21:11,037 --> 01:21:12,939
were simple.
1772
01:21:13,039 --> 01:21:16,008
But it is a miracle
and Tennessee Williams
1773
01:21:16,109 --> 01:21:17,977
can't act Stanley.
1774
01:21:18,077 --> 01:21:20,780
Tennessee Williams
can't play Blanche,
1775
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,282
but he can create them
on the page.
1776
01:21:24,283 --> 01:21:26,018
Always on the page.
1777
01:21:26,953 --> 01:21:29,722
It takes the actor
to lift them off.
1778
01:21:32,525 --> 01:21:35,561
William Shakespeare
couldn't play Hamlet,
1779
01:21:35,661 --> 01:21:37,397
but an actor can.
1780
01:21:39,098 --> 01:21:41,601
- So somehow along the way,
1781
01:21:41,701 --> 01:21:44,437
Jonathan and I got talking
about the fact that
1782
01:21:44,537 --> 01:21:47,540
wouldn't it be fun to do
something together.
1783
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,009
And so, I proposed the show
Mass Appeal,
1784
01:21:50,109 --> 01:21:53,679
and it's a rather delightful
two-man show.
1785
01:21:53,780 --> 01:21:57,183
We hired a local director,
hired s stage manager.
1786
01:21:57,283 --> 01:21:59,552
Jonathan wanted to make sure
it was done properly,
1787
01:21:59,652 --> 01:22:01,687
and that we had ample
rehearsal time.
1788
01:22:01,788 --> 01:22:04,223
And unfortunately,
on that opening night,
1789
01:22:04,323 --> 01:22:08,828
Jonathan really became confused,
and um, lost his place.
1790
01:22:08,928 --> 01:22:12,732
And was really struggling
to kind of finish the show.
1791
01:22:12,832 --> 01:22:17,470
I knew the script well enough
that I just tied up the show,
1792
01:22:17,570 --> 01:22:20,706
got him off the stage,
we took our bows.
1793
01:22:20,807 --> 01:22:24,744
And I remember him backstage,
and he was saying,
1794
01:22:24,844 --> 01:22:27,613
"I'm sorry. I'm so sorry."
I said, "Jonathan, it's okay."
1795
01:22:27,713 --> 01:22:28,481
"Don't worry about it."
1796
01:22:28,581 --> 01:22:32,318
"You know what,
you're fine, we're good."
1797
01:22:32,418 --> 01:22:36,255
Um, but it was something
that bothered him a lot,
1798
01:22:36,355 --> 01:22:40,159
and uh...
So then, we had to make...
1799
01:22:40,259 --> 01:22:42,195
We had to make a decision
on how to proceed.
1800
01:22:42,295 --> 01:22:46,432
So we did get the idea
of using like, an earpiece,
1801
01:22:46,532 --> 01:22:48,501
and so we rented this piece.
1802
01:22:48,601 --> 01:22:50,903
And so that's actually how
we moved forward with the run,
1803
01:22:51,003 --> 01:22:52,939
was that, if need be,
1804
01:22:53,039 --> 01:22:56,108
the assistant stage manager
who then stayed on script,
1805
01:22:56,209 --> 01:22:59,145
could always feed
a line to Jonathan.
1806
01:22:59,245 --> 01:23:01,681
To just prompt him
in varying degrees,
1807
01:23:01,781 --> 01:23:02,648
depending on the day.
1808
01:23:02,748 --> 01:23:05,184
And when he was on, he was on.
1809
01:23:05,284 --> 01:23:07,787
And he...
he did a great job
1810
01:23:07,887 --> 01:23:10,389
of that roll of Father Farley.
1811
01:23:10,490 --> 01:23:12,492
It had it's bumpy moments
for sure.
1812
01:23:12,592 --> 01:23:16,262
But I was thrilled that I got
to spend that time with him.
1813
01:23:16,362 --> 01:23:18,130
I was very, very happy for John
1814
01:23:18,231 --> 01:23:20,299
that it went out
on a real high note,
1815
01:23:20,399 --> 01:23:22,535
because he did
a really great job,
1816
01:23:22,635 --> 01:23:24,237
and he had some really
fabulous performances.
1817
01:23:24,337 --> 01:23:27,473
- I, at that point owned,
and still own a property
1818
01:23:27,573 --> 01:23:29,008
in Niagara on the lake.
1819
01:23:29,108 --> 01:23:30,643
Which is not far from Lancaster,
1820
01:23:30,743 --> 01:23:32,345
where John was living
at the time.
1821
01:23:32,445 --> 01:23:35,982
We had a small group which
we called the Project Team.
1822
01:23:36,082 --> 01:23:40,419
And it began with work
mostly on the website,
1823
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:43,055
and on the Evil Incarnate.
1824
01:23:43,155 --> 01:23:46,626
Which was basically four scenes
from Shakespeare's Richard III.
1825
01:23:46,726 --> 01:23:49,262
- Plots have I laid,
1826
01:23:49,362 --> 01:23:53,099
inductions dangerous.
1827
01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:58,037
By drunken prophecies,
libels and dreams,
1828
01:23:58,137 --> 01:24:02,308
to set my brother Clarence
1829
01:24:02,408 --> 01:24:07,346
and the king in deadly hate
the one against the other.
1830
01:24:07,446 --> 01:24:11,284
- When the opportunity
in 2007 came,
1831
01:24:11,384 --> 01:24:14,287
uh, to go to one
of the festivals,
1832
01:24:14,387 --> 01:24:16,822
he started to look
forward to it.
1833
01:24:16,923 --> 01:24:20,993
And we started to divide
the time between
1834
01:24:21,093 --> 01:24:23,262
what he was working on
with the website,
1835
01:24:23,362 --> 01:24:27,500
and planning for his return
to the Dark Shadows festivals.
1836
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:31,904
- In 2007,
it was the 40th anniversary
1837
01:24:32,004 --> 01:24:34,407
of my uncle starting
Dark Shadows.
1838
01:24:34,507 --> 01:24:35,942
He was getting up there in age,
1839
01:24:36,042 --> 01:24:40,212
and so I thought I'll come down
and be of support.
1840
01:24:40,313 --> 01:24:44,383
When I arrived there was
a lot of anticipation.
1841
01:24:44,483 --> 01:24:47,353
We had to take him around
back behind the stage,
1842
01:24:47,453 --> 01:24:50,723
and I was delighted
to opening the door.
1843
01:24:50,823 --> 01:24:53,125
[audience applause]
1844
01:25:11,143 --> 01:25:12,111
- Thank you.
1845
01:25:12,211 --> 01:25:15,581
[applause continues]
1846
01:25:16,616 --> 01:25:17,817
Upside down.
1847
01:25:21,921 --> 01:25:22,755
Thank you.
1848
01:25:25,091 --> 01:25:28,327
- It was so surreal for me
to finally see
1849
01:25:28,427 --> 01:25:30,196
how much he meant
to these people.
1850
01:25:30,296 --> 01:25:33,499
He hadn't been in front
of his fans for so many years,
1851
01:25:33,599 --> 01:25:35,434
and they were just so happy
to see him.
1852
01:25:35,534 --> 01:25:38,004
- [V/O] In July 2010,
the annual Dark Shadows
1853
01:25:38,104 --> 01:25:41,407
festival kicked off with a very
special opening event.
1854
01:25:41,507 --> 01:25:44,276
Jonathan putting his hand print
and initials in the courtyard
1855
01:25:44,377 --> 01:25:47,546
of the historic Vista
movie theater in Los Angles.
1856
01:25:47,647 --> 01:25:50,716
It was 90 degrees and Jonathan's
back was hurting him,
1857
01:25:50,816 --> 01:25:53,285
but he did it to please
the crowd of fans.
1858
01:25:53,386 --> 01:25:56,288
- Then I thought, "Well at
the Dark Shadows festival,
1859
01:25:56,389 --> 01:25:58,224
"wouldn't it be wonderful
if Jonathan and I
1860
01:25:58,324 --> 01:25:59,592
could do something together."
1861
01:25:59,692 --> 01:26:02,695
- There were several scenes
from Mass Appeal.
1862
01:26:02,795 --> 01:26:05,297
- Your servant sucks.
1863
01:26:05,398 --> 01:26:07,967
[audience laughter]
1864
01:26:14,940 --> 01:26:16,976
- You haven't heard the rest.
1865
01:26:18,077 --> 01:26:22,081
- The rest could be the
Sermon on the Mount,
1866
01:26:22,181 --> 01:26:28,087
but after two minutes of this,
they just turn you off.
1867
01:26:28,187 --> 01:26:30,156
- I can't believe that.
1868
01:26:30,256 --> 01:26:36,595
- It's not a question of faith,
it's the cold hard facts
1869
01:26:36,696 --> 01:26:39,165
of the pulpit.
1870
01:26:39,265 --> 01:26:41,567
- What are you suggesting I do?
1871
01:26:42,435 --> 01:26:46,038
- I'm not suggesting,
I'm telling you,
1872
01:26:46,138 --> 01:26:48,040
don't kick ass.
1873
01:26:48,140 --> 01:26:49,875
[audience applause]
1874
01:26:49,975 --> 01:26:57,383
- That was the final performance
that we had
1875
01:26:57,483 --> 01:26:59,251
from Jonathan.
1876
01:26:59,351 --> 01:27:01,087
Um...
1877
01:27:01,187 --> 01:27:08,094
So that is a particular
moment in time
1878
01:27:08,194 --> 01:27:09,829
that I cherish.
1879
01:27:10,796 --> 01:27:12,898
- Johnny and I
were very good friends,
1880
01:27:12,998 --> 01:27:14,867
and it was a surprise.
1881
01:27:14,967 --> 01:27:16,702
A big surprise that it happened.
1882
01:27:16,802 --> 01:27:19,638
Jonathan is a reserved
human being, you know.
1883
01:27:19,739 --> 01:27:21,107
A lot of class.
1884
01:27:21,207 --> 01:27:25,311
The thing about Jonathan Frid
and myself,
1885
01:27:25,411 --> 01:27:29,081
we are two poles apart
as human beings,
1886
01:27:29,181 --> 01:27:31,884
and we became great friends
on that show.
1887
01:27:31,984 --> 01:27:33,219
I mean, great friends.
1888
01:27:33,319 --> 01:27:36,922
I look to this day Jonathan
is probably one of the five
1889
01:27:37,022 --> 01:27:41,927
or six best friends I've ever
had in my life, you know.
1890
01:27:42,027 --> 01:27:44,330
I remember when I was moving
into a new apartment, you know,
1891
01:27:44,430 --> 01:27:47,833
I was just married and he gave
me all this furniture and stuff.
1892
01:27:47,933 --> 01:27:49,635
We used to go up
to his apartment,
1893
01:27:49,735 --> 01:27:52,004
this lovely, beautiful apartment
1894
01:27:52,104 --> 01:27:56,008
overlooking the
Queensboro bridge.
1895
01:27:56,108 --> 01:27:58,410
Having a nice steak dinner out,
you know,
1896
01:27:58,511 --> 01:28:00,913
with this beautiful bridge
before you.
1897
01:28:01,013 --> 01:28:02,381
Johnny was a good friend.
1898
01:28:02,481 --> 01:28:04,283
A deeply, good, good, good,
good friend,
1899
01:28:04,383 --> 01:28:05,918
- You know what was fun?
1900
01:28:06,018 --> 01:28:08,687
Jonathan liked to cook
and I loved to cook,
1901
01:28:08,788 --> 01:28:12,258
so often I cooked at his place,
he cooked at my place.
1902
01:28:12,358 --> 01:28:14,627
We even went to the picnics
at Central Park,
1903
01:28:14,727 --> 01:28:16,796
the Philharmonic concerts,
1904
01:28:16,896 --> 01:28:19,698
and that was a wonderful time.
1905
01:28:19,799 --> 01:28:21,167
- John was at my wedding,
1906
01:28:21,267 --> 01:28:24,036
and when my first two
children were born
1907
01:28:24,136 --> 01:28:26,639
he was at the house,
and he was holding them.
1908
01:28:26,739 --> 01:28:28,974
And he was at our shindigs,
1909
01:28:29,074 --> 01:28:31,477
and we had so many
lunches together.
1910
01:28:31,577 --> 01:28:34,079
He was a nice friend to have,
1911
01:28:34,180 --> 01:28:39,118
and I'm really, really grateful
for the time we had together.
1912
01:28:39,485 --> 01:28:43,722
- In those days,
it was illegal to be gay.
1913
01:28:43,823 --> 01:28:47,126
And this played on his mind,
1914
01:28:47,226 --> 01:28:50,596
and so he was never overtly gay.
1915
01:28:50,696 --> 01:28:53,632
I talked to my friends
who are now in their 80s,
1916
01:28:53,732 --> 01:28:56,669
and they did the same thing.
1917
01:28:56,769 --> 01:28:59,004
We were embarrassed about it.
1918
01:28:59,104 --> 01:29:01,941
We never really talked about it.
1919
01:29:02,041 --> 01:29:04,443
- He never really had
a significant other.
1920
01:29:04,543 --> 01:29:06,979
And I did find this...
1921
01:29:07,079 --> 01:29:08,814
I think, a little bit
interesting about him,
1922
01:29:08,914 --> 01:29:11,016
but he always seemed
very content.
1923
01:29:11,116 --> 01:29:13,385
He seemed very, very content
1924
01:29:13,485 --> 01:29:18,524
to just live his life,
on his own, as he liked.
1925
01:29:18,624 --> 01:29:21,060
And he got to do exactly
what he wanted to do.
1926
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:22,895
- He took pleasure
in the simple things,
1927
01:29:22,995 --> 01:29:25,497
such as sitting at his favorite
restaurant Sammy Joe's.
1928
01:29:25,598 --> 01:29:27,800
Invariably at the same seat,
1929
01:29:27,900 --> 01:29:30,202
and he would look out
on this tall pine tree,
1930
01:29:30,302 --> 01:29:32,171
and he was just amazed
at the size of it,
1931
01:29:32,271 --> 01:29:33,606
and the perfection of it.
1932
01:29:33,706 --> 01:29:36,308
He would come to my house
and always sit in the same seat,
1933
01:29:36,408 --> 01:29:37,509
looking out at the garden.
1934
01:29:37,610 --> 01:29:40,079
He just loved
that vantage point.
1935
01:29:40,179 --> 01:29:43,048
You know, basically, a man
of simple pleasures, really.
1936
01:29:43,148 --> 01:29:44,984
- He became more of
a father figure for me
1937
01:29:45,084 --> 01:29:47,152
as my dad passed away
when I was 25,
1938
01:29:47,253 --> 01:29:49,688
so I looked up to him
1939
01:29:49,788 --> 01:29:52,625
as a person I could trust
and talk to.
1940
01:29:52,725 --> 01:29:54,860
And he was always there
for support.
1941
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,029
- Working with Jonathan
was incredibly validating,
1942
01:29:57,129 --> 01:29:59,565
because I had a voice
at the table.
1943
01:29:59,665 --> 01:30:01,767
I was always heard.
1944
01:30:01,867 --> 01:30:03,435
He taught me by his behavior.
1945
01:30:03,535 --> 01:30:06,472
He taught me by the way
he regarded me,
1946
01:30:06,572 --> 01:30:09,041
the way he regarded the fans.
1947
01:30:09,341 --> 01:30:12,011
- Jonathan Frid was one of
the most compassionate men
1948
01:30:12,111 --> 01:30:13,479
that I ever met.
1949
01:30:13,579 --> 01:30:16,282
I lost a sister to cancer
in 1988.
1950
01:30:16,382 --> 01:30:20,152
From the day she was diagnosed,
she was terminal.
1951
01:30:20,252 --> 01:30:23,455
After my sister passed away,
he was doing his one-man show,
1952
01:30:23,555 --> 01:30:24,790
you know, around the country,
1953
01:30:24,890 --> 01:30:27,293
and he literally had one night
stands everywhere.
1954
01:30:27,393 --> 01:30:29,828
And he called me up
and let me pour my heart
1955
01:30:29,929 --> 01:30:31,530
out to him
because I was devastated.
1956
01:30:31,630 --> 01:30:34,900
The things that this man said
to me, I'll never forget it.
1957
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,503
- The AIDS epidemic
tragically took the lives
1958
01:30:37,603 --> 01:30:40,205
of some of Jonathan's
Dark Shadows co-stars,
1959
01:30:40,306 --> 01:30:42,308
as well as some
of his closest friends
1960
01:30:42,408 --> 01:30:44,176
whom I've had the pleasure
of meeting.
1961
01:30:44,276 --> 01:30:46,612
Jonathan showed strength
and courage through it all
1962
01:30:46,712 --> 01:30:48,781
at a time when people
were scared to be near
1963
01:30:48,881 --> 01:30:49,748
an AIDS patient.
1964
01:30:49,848 --> 01:30:52,251
Jonathan would sit
by a dying friends bedside
1965
01:30:52,351 --> 01:30:55,354
to talk, to listen,
or to just hold his hand.
1966
01:30:56,722 --> 01:31:02,061
- When he got into his 80s,
um, he had some mobility issues.
1967
01:31:02,161 --> 01:31:04,330
He had taken a couple of falls.
1968
01:31:04,430 --> 01:31:06,565
His house had different levels,
1969
01:31:06,665 --> 01:31:10,202
and that was part of the reason
he moved to a one floor condo.
1970
01:31:10,302 --> 01:31:11,904
His memory was starting
to fail him,
1971
01:31:12,004 --> 01:31:13,339
as it fails all of us.
1972
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:17,176
But he always stayed on track
as far as what he wanted to do.
1973
01:31:17,276 --> 01:31:20,112
His desire to do things
was strong,
1974
01:31:20,212 --> 01:31:23,282
but his abilities to do them
was starting to diminish
1975
01:31:23,382 --> 01:31:24,516
as he got older.
1976
01:31:24,616 --> 01:31:27,152
- One day I just picked up
the phone and called him.
1977
01:31:27,252 --> 01:31:28,754
I said,
1978
01:31:28,854 --> 01:31:30,622
"Is it possible we could
get together?"
1979
01:31:30,723 --> 01:31:33,359
He said, "Oh David,
I don't leave my place anymore."
1980
01:31:33,459 --> 01:31:35,561
He says, "In fact,
I'm in my robe."
1981
01:31:35,661 --> 01:31:36,895
[laughing]
1982
01:31:36,996 --> 01:31:40,499
I must say, we had a laugh
about that over the phone.
1983
01:31:40,599 --> 01:31:42,134
- [V/O] In the summer of 2011,
1984
01:31:42,234 --> 01:31:44,636
production began on a feature
film of Dark Shadows,
1985
01:31:44,737 --> 01:31:46,038
directed by Tim Burton,
1986
01:31:46,138 --> 01:31:48,974
and starring Johnny Depp
as Barnabas Collins.
1987
01:31:49,074 --> 01:31:52,311
On short notice, David Selby,
Catherine Lee Scott,
1988
01:31:52,411 --> 01:31:53,912
Lara Park, and Jonathan,
1989
01:31:54,013 --> 01:31:57,216
were requested to fly to London
for one day of filming.
1990
01:31:57,316 --> 01:32:00,252
At age 86, Jonathan no longer
had the stamina
1991
01:32:00,352 --> 01:32:03,222
for what turned out to be
20 hours of travel.
1992
01:32:03,322 --> 01:32:05,858
He arrived completely worn out.
1993
01:32:05,958 --> 01:32:07,726
- I knew at that time
1994
01:32:07,826 --> 01:32:11,764
that I was going to be
watchful for John,
1995
01:32:11,864 --> 01:32:14,867
and to make sure
if we stepped off a curb
1996
01:32:14,967 --> 01:32:17,603
I had my hand there to help
to get down.
1997
01:32:17,703 --> 01:32:20,239
But anyway,
we end up over there,
1998
01:32:20,339 --> 01:32:22,674
meeting Tim and Johnny
1999
01:32:22,775 --> 01:32:24,176
and they couldn't
have been nicer.
2000
01:32:24,276 --> 01:32:26,578
The only experience
that was difficult was
2001
01:32:26,678 --> 01:32:31,550
no one was communicating exactly
what it was we were doing there.
2002
01:32:31,650 --> 01:32:32,851
[chuckles]
2003
01:32:32,951 --> 01:32:35,320
Why we were there.
2004
01:32:35,421 --> 01:32:38,557
Besides sitting around
in a dressing room,
2005
01:32:38,657 --> 01:32:41,427
um, and observing.
2006
01:32:41,527 --> 01:32:43,362
- [V/O] They finally filmed
a\ scene in which Barnabas
2007
01:32:43,462 --> 01:32:45,931
greets the quartet
arriving as party guests
2008
01:32:46,031 --> 01:32:47,733
in the doorway of Collinwood.
2009
01:32:47,833 --> 01:32:50,369
After three takes Jonathan
was exhausted
2010
01:32:50,469 --> 01:32:52,438
and had to rest
in his dressing room.
2011
01:32:52,538 --> 01:32:55,307
Later, he caught the next flight
back to Toronto.
2012
01:32:55,741 --> 01:32:58,911
- I heard rumors that there was
a movie in 2012,
2013
01:32:59,011 --> 01:33:00,646
that was made by Tim Burton,
2014
01:33:00,746 --> 01:33:02,714
who I've admired as a filmmaker.
2015
01:33:02,815 --> 01:33:05,451
They say Johnny Depp
was in it as Barnabas Collins,
2016
01:33:05,551 --> 01:33:08,387
but it doesn't really exist
in my world.
2017
01:33:09,888 --> 01:33:11,924
- The character of Barnabas
2018
01:33:13,292 --> 01:33:15,661
just did not work.
2019
01:33:16,495 --> 01:33:25,104
And you could not put that
character into a lid
2020
01:33:25,204 --> 01:33:28,107
with Jonathan Frid
2021
01:33:28,207 --> 01:33:30,242
doing Barnabas.
2022
01:33:42,721 --> 01:33:46,792
- I saw John
a week before he died.
2023
01:33:46,892 --> 01:33:48,694
Um, he had a fall.
2024
01:33:48,794 --> 01:33:53,866
It appeared to me that he had
a pretty serious concussion.
2025
01:33:53,966 --> 01:33:56,768
But we chatted and we talked
and talked about
2026
01:33:56,869 --> 01:33:58,937
the festival coming up,
2027
01:33:59,037 --> 01:34:01,240
and the plans.
2028
01:34:01,340 --> 01:34:05,377
Um, and...
2029
01:34:05,477 --> 01:34:06,478
I knew at that point
2030
01:34:06,578 --> 01:34:09,314
that I was not going
to see him alive again.
2031
01:34:09,414 --> 01:34:12,451
- Uncle John never wanted
to have a fuss made over him
2032
01:34:12,551 --> 01:34:16,155
alive and certainly
after he passed.
2033
01:34:16,255 --> 01:34:19,124
He would not want a fuss
made over him either.
2034
01:34:19,224 --> 01:34:21,793
So we got together at one
of his favorite restaurants
2035
01:34:21,894 --> 01:34:22,995
In Lancaster.
2036
01:34:23,095 --> 01:34:24,563
We didn't involve
a lot of people.
2037
01:34:24,663 --> 01:34:27,833
Only the inner circle
of family and friends.
2038
01:34:27,933 --> 01:34:30,335
- When Jonathan passed away
in April of 2012,
2039
01:34:30,435 --> 01:34:33,505
his family was rather surprised
to learn in the will
2040
01:34:33,605 --> 01:34:35,807
that he had left the bulk
of his estate
2041
01:34:35,908 --> 01:34:37,843
to the Hamilton Community
Foundation.
2042
01:34:37,943 --> 01:34:40,479
- We are the oldest and largest
of the community foundations
2043
01:34:40,579 --> 01:34:41,346
in Ontario.
2044
01:34:41,446 --> 01:34:45,617
Among the founding directors
was H.P. Frid
2045
01:34:45,717 --> 01:34:50,022
and our foundation really was
the vision of a group
2046
01:34:50,122 --> 01:34:53,292
of old industrialists in Hamilton,
including Mr. Frid
2047
01:34:53,392 --> 01:34:55,027
to leave a legacy.
2048
01:34:55,127 --> 01:34:56,762
That they knew
that they had done
2049
01:34:56,862 --> 01:34:58,730
remarkably well here
financially.
2050
01:34:58,830 --> 01:35:00,265
They had a deep sense
of commitment
2051
01:35:00,365 --> 01:35:02,634
to the place that had
given them their start.
2052
01:35:02,734 --> 01:35:05,571
And Mrs. Frid, in fact,
was a director,
2053
01:35:05,671 --> 01:35:08,273
and active board member
in the 1960s.
2054
01:35:08,941 --> 01:35:12,010
John had a wide range
of interests,
2055
01:35:12,110 --> 01:35:14,046
and causes that he supported,
2056
01:35:14,146 --> 01:35:16,682
and through his legacy,
continues to support.
2057
01:35:16,782 --> 01:35:20,052
Beginning with Hillfield
the school which he attended,
2058
01:35:20,152 --> 01:35:22,020
with his passion for the arts.
2059
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:25,190
But he also was deeply
dedicated to eduction,
2060
01:35:25,290 --> 01:35:26,858
to poverty, to the environment.
2061
01:35:26,959 --> 01:35:30,596
And so if you look at the range
of causes that he supported,
2062
01:35:30,696 --> 01:35:34,967
it is extraordinarily wide
and deep,
2063
01:35:35,067 --> 01:35:37,636
and he was very thoughtful
about the difference
2064
01:35:37,736 --> 01:35:38,604
he wanted to make.
2065
01:35:38,704 --> 01:35:43,041
- And I thought he was a very
charming, gentle man.
2066
01:35:43,141 --> 01:35:45,444
- And a great thing
about Jonathan was,
2067
01:35:45,544 --> 01:35:47,946
he was fearless,
he would do anything.
2068
01:35:48,046 --> 01:35:49,481
He just loved the theater.
2069
01:35:49,581 --> 01:35:52,784
- You couldn't work
with the better person,
2070
01:35:52,884 --> 01:35:54,553
and a kinder person.
2071
01:35:54,653 --> 01:35:56,955
- He never played the star.
Nothing like that.
2072
01:35:57,055 --> 01:36:01,893
He was the most down to earth,
and lovable, funny guy.
2073
01:36:01,994 --> 01:36:04,263
Very dedicated,
very professional.
2074
01:36:04,363 --> 01:36:06,665
He was super to work with.
2075
01:36:06,765 --> 01:36:08,734
- I really enjoyed Jonathan.
2076
01:36:08,834 --> 01:36:11,003
I enjoyed him very much,
2077
01:36:11,103 --> 01:36:14,072
because he was a kind soul.
2078
01:36:14,172 --> 01:36:17,509
And also,
he was a very hard worker.
2079
01:36:17,609 --> 01:36:21,847
Um, Shakespeare
didn't intimidate him.
2080
01:36:21,947 --> 01:36:24,149
He was at home with Shakespeare,
2081
01:36:24,249 --> 01:36:26,318
and he enjoyed playing it,
2082
01:36:26,418 --> 01:36:28,553
and he enjoyed acting in it.
2083
01:36:28,654 --> 01:36:31,723
And I can tell you,
I was very lucky in my lifetime
2084
01:36:31,823 --> 01:36:36,094
to have worked with a person
as knowledgeable,
2085
01:36:36,194 --> 01:36:39,164
and as loving, and caring
as Jonathan.
2086
01:36:39,731 --> 01:36:41,166
So that's it.
2087
01:36:41,867 --> 01:36:44,503
- Jonathan told me
to believe in myself,
2088
01:36:44,603 --> 01:36:47,839
and that I could do anything
that I wanted to do.
2089
01:36:47,939 --> 01:36:49,841
And I believed him.
2090
01:36:49,941 --> 01:36:53,045
And in believing him,
I believed in myself.
2091
01:36:53,945 --> 01:36:56,448
And the only thing I can say is,
thank you, Jonathan,
2092
01:36:56,548 --> 01:36:58,350
and I miss you.
2093
01:36:59,685 --> 01:37:01,787
- We respected each other,
2094
01:37:01,887 --> 01:37:04,389
we collaborated,
2095
01:37:04,489 --> 01:37:06,325
and when the work was done,
it was done.
2096
01:37:06,425 --> 01:37:09,528
And I'll never forget him.
2097
01:37:10,829 --> 01:37:14,466
You know, I'll never
be able to thank him,
2098
01:37:14,566 --> 01:37:20,972
and Mary for, you know,
what they did for me.
2099
01:37:21,073 --> 01:37:25,310
Um, and I'm just...
very lucky.
2100
01:37:27,145 --> 01:37:30,582
- He was somebody that had
a quiet dignity about him.
2101
01:37:30,682 --> 01:37:33,919
And I think he had learned
through his upbringing.
2102
01:37:34,019 --> 01:37:36,922
He treated everybody
with respect and kindness.
2103
01:37:37,022 --> 01:37:38,423
I felt lucky to know him.
2104
01:37:38,523 --> 01:37:41,626
He was truly an extraordinary
human being.
2105
01:37:41,727 --> 01:37:47,299
- There was not
a single instant ever,
2106
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:55,974
in our relationship that was
anything but "How are you,
2107
01:37:56,074 --> 01:37:57,409
dear friend?"
2108
01:37:58,110 --> 01:38:00,879
We got along from
the very first moment,
2109
01:38:00,979 --> 01:38:03,148
and we never let go of that.
2110
01:38:03,248 --> 01:38:03,949
Never.
2111
01:38:04,049 --> 01:38:07,452
And I was always
thankful for him,
2112
01:38:07,552 --> 01:38:11,189
that he welcomed me
with open arms.
2113
01:38:11,990 --> 01:38:14,459
And we continued
that friendship,
2114
01:38:14,559 --> 01:38:16,194
right straight through.
2115
01:38:16,428 --> 01:38:20,132
- You know, he was a class act.
2116
01:38:20,232 --> 01:38:21,767
God.
2117
01:38:21,867 --> 01:38:24,369
- Our revels now are ended.
2118
01:38:26,338 --> 01:38:29,941
These are actors,
as I foretold you,
2119
01:38:30,041 --> 01:38:34,045
were all spirits,
and are melted into air,
2120
01:38:34,146 --> 01:38:36,948
into thin air.
2121
01:38:38,517 --> 01:38:41,720
And like the baseless fabric
of this vision,
2122
01:38:41,820 --> 01:38:45,891
the cloud-capped towers,
the gorgeous palaces,
2123
01:38:45,991 --> 01:38:49,861
the solemn temples,
the great globe itself,
2124
01:38:50,362 --> 01:38:54,266
yea, all which inherit,
shall dissolve.
2125
01:38:54,366 --> 01:38:57,469
And like this insubstantial
pageant faded,
2126
01:38:57,569 --> 01:39:00,071
leave not a rack behind.
2127
01:39:01,807 --> 01:39:05,777
We are such stuff
as dreams are made on,
2128
01:39:05,877 --> 01:39:09,381
and are little life
is rounded with a sleep.
2129
01:39:11,883 --> 01:39:14,386
[dramatic stringed music]
♪♪
2130
01:39:29,468 --> 01:39:32,871
- Um, what was your very first
Dark Shadows audition like?
2131
01:39:32,971 --> 01:39:34,840
- I went into this room
and there were a whole
2132
01:39:34,940 --> 01:39:37,609
bunch of people,
all kind of creepy looking,
2133
01:39:37,709 --> 01:39:39,010
[audience laughing]
2134
01:39:39,110 --> 01:39:40,946
And I thought, "Oh, I don't
have a chance here."
2135
01:39:41,046 --> 01:39:42,814
Ho, ho. ho.
2136
01:39:42,914 --> 01:39:44,049
But apparently to them,
2137
01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:45,584
I was the creepiest
of the bunch.
2138
01:39:45,684 --> 01:39:47,352
[audience laughing]
2139
01:39:47,452 --> 01:39:49,821
[dramatic music]
♪♪
2140
01:39:57,295 --> 01:40:00,398
- John was always very,
very funny about the irony
2141
01:40:00,499 --> 01:40:05,604
of this man who sent out to be
perhaps an American Olivier,
2142
01:40:05,704 --> 01:40:07,706
and became a bat.
2143
01:40:07,806 --> 01:40:10,141
[dramatic music continues]
♪♪
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