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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,182 --> 00:00:17,718 >> There's a story in the Bible about God providing manna from 2 00:00:17,818 --> 00:00:21,289 heaven, food to sustain the Israelites while they were 3 00:00:21,389 --> 00:00:24,992 wandering in the wilderness, but it never said specifically what 4 00:00:25,093 --> 00:00:26,060 it was. 5 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,097 What was this manna from heaven? 6 00:00:29,197 --> 00:00:32,165 When I asked that question, I had no idea 7 00:00:32,266 --> 00:00:35,503 how much my life was about to change. 8 00:00:35,603 --> 00:00:37,871 [music playing] 9 00:01:07,268 --> 00:01:10,471 The first miracle that Jesus was reported to have done 10 00:01:10,571 --> 00:01:13,907 was turning water into wine at a wedding. 11 00:01:14,007 --> 00:01:16,777 The story goes that they ran out of wine, 12 00:01:16,877 --> 00:01:20,881 and Jesus put a portion of the manna into the water 13 00:01:20,981 --> 00:01:22,916 that they boiled as tea. 14 00:01:23,015 --> 00:01:26,220 He told the waiters to pass it out as wine. 15 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:29,490 So I call up Deepak, and I said, Deepak, I gotta talk to you. 16 00:01:29,590 --> 00:01:31,259 I go, I just found some stuff in the Bible 17 00:01:31,359 --> 00:01:32,526 that's not making any sense. 18 00:01:32,626 --> 00:01:34,595 I think I found some psychedelics in there. 19 00:01:34,695 --> 00:01:35,929 I think there's meditation. 20 00:01:36,029 --> 00:01:37,497 Like, what do you think? 21 00:01:37,598 --> 00:01:41,535 And he's quiet on the phone. 22 00:01:41,634 --> 00:01:43,837 And I was like, Deepak, are you there? 23 00:01:43,937 --> 00:01:44,905 And he's like, yeah. 24 00:01:45,005 --> 00:01:47,808 He said, where did you find this exactly? 25 00:01:47,908 --> 00:01:50,277 Like, send me what you're talking to me about. 26 00:01:50,378 --> 00:01:51,579 What do you want to do, Deepak? 27 00:01:51,679 --> 00:01:52,780 What should we do about this? 28 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,615 You want to write something up? 29 00:01:54,715 --> 00:01:57,818 And Deepak was like, this is too important. 30 00:01:57,918 --> 00:02:00,588 He was, like, why don't we have a conversation about this? 31 00:02:00,688 --> 00:02:02,590 Could part of the religious experience 32 00:02:02,690 --> 00:02:06,059 have to do with plant sacraments? 33 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,229 In Deepak's tradition, the mystery plant soma 34 00:02:09,330 --> 00:02:12,700 was used to bring people to communion with God. 35 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,537 >> Could have been that the Hymns of the Rigveda were 36 00:02:16,637 --> 00:02:20,441 actually sung to this plant, which had no seeds, 37 00:02:20,541 --> 00:02:24,144 that had no flowers, that was really mushrooms. 38 00:02:24,245 --> 00:02:27,315 >> There's a scene in the move, "Noah," starring Russell Crowe, 39 00:02:27,415 --> 00:02:30,818 where he has a dream that he's under water with animals 40 00:02:30,918 --> 00:02:32,320 floating past. 41 00:02:32,420 --> 00:02:35,989 He wakes up, knowing that God wants him to do something 42 00:02:36,089 --> 00:02:38,158 but he doesn't know what. 43 00:02:38,259 --> 00:02:40,328 He goes and sits with the wise man 44 00:02:40,428 --> 00:02:43,197 in the cave, played by Anthony Hopkins, who 45 00:02:43,297 --> 00:02:45,165 gives him some psychedelic tea. 46 00:02:45,266 --> 00:02:49,837 He drinks it and has a detailed vision of exactly what God 47 00:02:49,937 --> 00:02:52,039 wants him to do. 48 00:02:52,139 --> 00:02:54,041 >> First of all, that's a possibility. 49 00:02:54,141 --> 00:02:57,411 Secondly, why does our brain have receptors to these things? 50 00:02:57,511 --> 00:02:59,680 Well, because we are part of the same nature. 51 00:02:59,780 --> 00:03:01,415 You know, we're not separate from nature. 52 00:03:01,515 --> 00:03:04,452 Science is based on the subject object split, 53 00:03:04,552 --> 00:03:07,020 on the separation that is artificial, me 54 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,024 and the universe, when, in fact, I'm also part of the universe. 55 00:03:11,124 --> 00:03:13,894 So the same electrical storms that 56 00:03:13,994 --> 00:03:17,064 create thunder and lightning in the sky 57 00:03:17,164 --> 00:03:21,669 create synaptic firings in my brain, which creates thought. 58 00:03:21,769 --> 00:03:25,773 We're part of a wholeness, and what the religious experience 59 00:03:25,873 --> 00:03:27,641 is to experience that wholeness. 60 00:03:27,741 --> 00:03:31,078 What is enlightenment but being one with the source? 61 00:03:31,178 --> 00:03:35,949 So once they give people, what I wouldn't even 62 00:03:36,049 --> 00:03:38,018 call altered state of consciousness. 63 00:03:38,118 --> 00:03:40,220 I wouldn't call them hallucinations. 64 00:03:40,321 --> 00:03:43,824 They help people break out of the everyday hallucination 65 00:03:43,924 --> 00:03:47,695 of separation and to the reality of truth. 66 00:03:47,795 --> 00:03:50,631 And whether they did it through wine, or manna, or soma, 67 00:03:50,731 --> 00:03:51,465 who cares? 68 00:03:51,565 --> 00:03:52,733 >> Doesn't even make any sense. 69 00:03:52,833 --> 00:03:56,337 How could these ancient plants that connect you to God 70 00:03:56,437 --> 00:04:00,240 be somehow taken out? 71 00:04:00,341 --> 00:04:03,210 >> Could these plants be the ancient wisdom that we need 72 00:04:03,311 --> 00:04:05,613 for our modern problems. 73 00:04:05,713 --> 00:04:07,715 >> What we call today, everyday reality, 74 00:04:07,815 --> 00:04:09,317 which we take for normal, OK? 75 00:04:09,417 --> 00:04:10,651 There's war. 76 00:04:10,751 --> 00:04:12,052 There's terrorism. 77 00:04:12,152 --> 00:04:13,454 There's global warming. 78 00:04:13,554 --> 00:04:15,323 There's social injustice. 79 00:04:15,423 --> 00:04:18,559 50% of the world lives on less than two dollars a day. 80 00:04:18,659 --> 00:04:20,694 The environment is totally screwed up. 81 00:04:20,793 --> 00:04:22,496 And we say this is normal. 82 00:04:22,596 --> 00:04:24,064 It's psychotic, right? 83 00:04:24,164 --> 00:04:27,435 And it's psychotic because we have created it. 84 00:04:27,535 --> 00:04:30,170 >> What do you think it would take to break through that 85 00:04:30,270 --> 00:04:31,271 boundary at this point? 86 00:04:31,372 --> 00:04:33,607 I mean, here we are in this 21st century. 87 00:04:33,707 --> 00:04:35,142 >> Let's have a party. 88 00:04:35,242 --> 00:04:38,379 >> We'll bring everybody down to Peru and enlighten them. 89 00:04:38,479 --> 00:04:41,582 >> Yeah, and put some in the pot, and let's drink it. 90 00:04:41,682 --> 00:04:42,850 >> Amen. 91 00:04:42,950 --> 00:04:44,618 >> Amen. 92 00:04:44,718 --> 00:04:49,357 >> Did Deepak Chopra just tell me to go down to Peru and drink 93 00:04:49,457 --> 00:04:53,193 ayahuasca tea, one of the most powerful psychedelics known 94 00:04:53,293 --> 00:04:55,529 to man? 95 00:04:55,629 --> 00:04:58,832 Still dazed by what Deepak had recommended, 96 00:04:58,932 --> 00:05:00,501 I bumped into our friend, Jerry, who 97 00:05:00,601 --> 00:05:03,771 had generously loaned us his beach house for the interview. 98 00:05:03,871 --> 00:05:06,807 I was curious what he thought about what Deepak said. 99 00:05:06,907 --> 00:05:09,109 I didn't realize at the time, but Jerry's world 100 00:05:09,209 --> 00:05:11,311 was spinning out of control. 101 00:05:11,412 --> 00:05:14,915 Despite having sold his company for almost $100 million, 102 00:05:15,015 --> 00:05:20,320 Jerry was abusing drugs, drinking a lot of alcohol. 103 00:05:20,421 --> 00:05:23,724 His family was in shambles, and he was basically 104 00:05:23,824 --> 00:05:24,992 trying to kill himself slowly. 105 00:05:28,596 --> 00:05:33,200 More than I realized, Deepak's words were really sinking in. 106 00:05:33,300 --> 00:05:34,802 At this point, you might be wondering 107 00:05:34,902 --> 00:05:37,471 who this Zappy guy is. 108 00:05:37,571 --> 00:05:40,240 Let me tell you a little bit about myself. 109 00:05:40,340 --> 00:05:44,678 I've done everything society told me to do, go to school, 110 00:05:44,778 --> 00:05:49,817 get a job, make a bunch of money, fall in love, 111 00:05:49,917 --> 00:05:51,652 start a family. 112 00:05:51,752 --> 00:05:54,588 I was living the American dream. 113 00:05:54,688 --> 00:05:57,758 I bought beer.com for $80,000. 114 00:05:57,858 --> 00:06:01,862 A few months later, I sold it for $7 million. 115 00:06:01,962 --> 00:06:05,799 Here I am, starring in my own Super Bowl ad. 116 00:06:05,899 --> 00:06:09,069 Life was becoming very surreal. 117 00:06:09,169 --> 00:06:13,006 Even though I had it all, my conversation with Deepak 118 00:06:13,106 --> 00:06:16,410 made it clear that there were other experiences that I 119 00:06:16,510 --> 00:06:17,911 needed to have. 120 00:06:18,011 --> 00:06:21,348 The value that I place on the experience 121 00:06:21,449 --> 00:06:22,750 is more important to me. 122 00:06:22,850 --> 00:06:27,755 So I always felt like I'd rather have a passport full of stamps 123 00:06:27,855 --> 00:06:31,725 than a house of a certain type. 124 00:06:31,825 --> 00:06:34,462 It occurred to me that, like most people, 125 00:06:34,562 --> 00:06:37,598 I'd been searching for happiness outside of myself, 126 00:06:37,698 --> 00:06:40,332 and I was having the realization that I might never 127 00:06:40,433 --> 00:06:44,638 be truly happy unless I went inside my own mind 128 00:06:44,738 --> 00:06:46,740 to look for some answers. 129 00:06:46,840 --> 00:06:49,308 Albert Einstein famously said, you 130 00:06:49,409 --> 00:06:53,413 can't fix a problem with the same consciousness or thinking 131 00:06:53,514 --> 00:06:55,849 that got you into the situation. 132 00:06:55,949 --> 00:06:58,284 What this meant to me was that if I wanted 133 00:06:58,385 --> 00:07:01,989 to solve a problem in my life, or if we, as a society, 134 00:07:02,089 --> 00:07:04,925 wanted to solve some of the big problems we have, 135 00:07:05,025 --> 00:07:11,264 like violence, eco-destruction, addiction, depression, 136 00:07:11,364 --> 00:07:15,703 we needed to change our collective consciousness. 137 00:07:15,803 --> 00:07:19,239 Could society use some of these ancient techniques 138 00:07:19,339 --> 00:07:21,308 for its modern problems? 139 00:07:21,408 --> 00:07:24,712 I was inspired by people who came before me, that seemingly 140 00:07:24,812 --> 00:07:28,115 had it all but chose to take the risk of going 141 00:07:28,215 --> 00:07:30,984 inside their own minds. 142 00:07:31,084 --> 00:07:34,688 These people were what I would call psychenauts: 143 00:07:34,788 --> 00:07:37,090 sailors of the mind. 144 00:07:37,190 --> 00:07:42,262 And I saw that these people were going inside their minds 145 00:07:42,362 --> 00:07:44,498 and exploring inside their minds as part 146 00:07:44,598 --> 00:07:45,799 of what they wound up doing. 147 00:07:45,899 --> 00:07:47,635 And I thought, wow, I have to do that. 148 00:07:58,646 --> 00:08:02,415 I figured before I got too extreme and sat with a shaman, 149 00:08:02,516 --> 00:08:04,685 I should go out and talk to some of Deepak's friends 150 00:08:04,785 --> 00:08:06,687 about our so-called reality. 151 00:08:06,787 --> 00:08:09,823 >> If you only identify with the realm of three dimensions, 152 00:08:09,923 --> 00:08:12,092 if you only identify with the realm of the body, 153 00:08:12,192 --> 00:08:14,327 if you only identify with the mortal circumstance 154 00:08:14,427 --> 00:08:16,764 and the mortal experience, then to that extent, 155 00:08:16,864 --> 00:08:19,533 you are at the effect of those circumstances. 156 00:08:19,633 --> 00:08:21,569 Faith is standing on the conviction, 157 00:08:21,669 --> 00:08:23,436 standing on the knowledge and the conviction, 158 00:08:23,537 --> 00:08:26,006 there's something way bigger going on here. 159 00:08:26,106 --> 00:08:31,879 >> What we see is only a small portion of the total reality. 160 00:08:31,979 --> 00:08:34,246 See, we have three states-- 161 00:08:34,347 --> 00:08:37,551 waking, dreaming, and sleep. 162 00:08:37,650 --> 00:08:39,753 But beyond that, there is a state 163 00:08:39,852 --> 00:08:45,492 where it's neither of the three, but there 164 00:08:45,593 --> 00:08:49,396 is this full alertness that dawns deep within. 165 00:08:54,334 --> 00:08:57,237 >> There's nowhere were we escape from being energy. 166 00:08:57,337 --> 00:08:58,405 So we're always energy. 167 00:08:58,505 --> 00:09:02,075 What we see at it looks, physical material, 168 00:09:02,175 --> 00:09:05,078 is actually the reflection of light, photons of light that 169 00:09:05,178 --> 00:09:07,480 hit our energy and bounce back. 170 00:09:07,581 --> 00:09:10,550 So we're reflecting light, but we're 171 00:09:10,651 --> 00:09:14,755 reflecting it as a force field, a tornado of energy. 172 00:09:14,855 --> 00:09:17,090 >> If we can stand within the unreal world, 173 00:09:17,190 --> 00:09:19,693 the ultimate unreal that appears real, 174 00:09:19,793 --> 00:09:23,063 that seems limited by the laws of time and space, 175 00:09:23,163 --> 00:09:25,699 and yet have faith in the realm beyond, 176 00:09:25,799 --> 00:09:28,435 that literally invokes that realm into being. 177 00:09:34,007 --> 00:09:37,244 >> It seemed like what everyone was saying is reality is just 178 00:09:37,344 --> 00:09:38,612 a concept. 179 00:09:38,712 --> 00:09:42,750 I needed to have the direct experience of going inside. 180 00:09:42,850 --> 00:09:48,455 Could ancient wisdom have included plants and meditation? 181 00:09:48,555 --> 00:09:51,391 I was excited to learn that a lot of celebrities, people 182 00:09:51,491 --> 00:09:54,795 like Jerry Seinfeld, Martin Scorsese, 183 00:09:54,895 --> 00:09:57,364 were doing this meditation for a long time. 184 00:09:57,464 --> 00:10:01,568 And recently, people like Oprah Winfrey and Dr. Oz and Katy 185 00:10:01,669 --> 00:10:04,271 Perry had taken up the meditation 186 00:10:04,371 --> 00:10:08,008 and it seemed to be making them even more creative. 187 00:10:08,108 --> 00:10:10,243 I wanted to see if some of this ancient wisdom 188 00:10:10,343 --> 00:10:15,482 could help me to tap into my creativity. 189 00:10:15,582 --> 00:10:20,487 In the 1960s, a funny little man named Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 190 00:10:20,587 --> 00:10:23,691 came out of the Himalayas to the United States, 191 00:10:23,791 --> 00:10:26,426 and he wound up teaching his transcendental meditation 192 00:10:26,526 --> 00:10:29,596 technique to the Beatles, and the rest is history. 193 00:10:29,697 --> 00:10:33,000 Today, there are more than seven million people worldwide doing 194 00:10:33,100 --> 00:10:35,502 transcendental meditation. 195 00:10:35,602 --> 00:10:38,538 What I like about a TM technique is that there's 196 00:10:38,638 --> 00:10:40,373 no dogma attached to it. 197 00:10:40,473 --> 00:10:41,975 It's really just a simple technique 198 00:10:42,075 --> 00:10:45,645 of silently repeating a mantra to yourself, which 199 00:10:45,746 --> 00:10:49,582 causes you to transcend into your quieted mind 200 00:10:49,683 --> 00:10:53,653 to subtler and subtler states of consciousness until a point 201 00:10:53,754 --> 00:10:57,758 that you reach a place called universal consciousness, 202 00:10:57,858 --> 00:11:01,628 an endless field of energy that connects all of us, 203 00:11:01,729 --> 00:11:03,764 where all knowledge is contained, 204 00:11:03,864 --> 00:11:06,066 and where everything is manifested from. 205 00:11:08,668 --> 00:11:11,805 When the Maharishi passed away in 2007, 206 00:11:11,905 --> 00:11:14,174 he put John Hagelin in charge. 207 00:11:14,274 --> 00:11:16,910 As a quantum physicist and a meditator, 208 00:11:17,010 --> 00:11:19,612 he had successfully used quantum theory 209 00:11:19,713 --> 00:11:23,316 to support Maharishi's model of creative intelligence 210 00:11:23,416 --> 00:11:26,019 being at the center of all creation. 211 00:11:26,119 --> 00:11:28,655 >> Waking consciousness is all about being aware of something, 212 00:11:28,756 --> 00:11:31,258 this, that, this concept, that person. 213 00:11:31,358 --> 00:11:35,128 Transcending is leaving all of that behind 214 00:11:35,228 --> 00:11:38,899 to isolate and experience the self itself. 215 00:11:38,999 --> 00:11:40,067 It's blissful. 216 00:11:40,167 --> 00:11:41,568 It's not the end of the story. 217 00:11:41,668 --> 00:11:43,904 10, 20 minutes of that is enough. 218 00:11:44,004 --> 00:11:46,039 The idea is to come back into activity 219 00:11:46,139 --> 00:11:49,509 and increasingly integrate and stabilize 220 00:11:49,609 --> 00:11:52,212 the experience of inner reality, inner silence, 221 00:11:52,312 --> 00:11:54,848 along with outer reality, and that's when life really 222 00:11:54,948 --> 00:11:56,649 gets to be interesting and fun. 223 00:12:04,925 --> 00:12:07,027 >> The mind has two aspects to it. 224 00:12:07,127 --> 00:12:09,429 It's the brain, which is very concrete. 225 00:12:09,529 --> 00:12:10,730 You can measure it. 226 00:12:10,831 --> 00:12:13,000 You can touch it, but it's interacting with this field 227 00:12:13,100 --> 00:12:14,234 of consciousness. 228 00:12:14,334 --> 00:12:17,037 And what they come together is our individual self, 229 00:12:17,137 --> 00:12:19,206 our individual personality. 230 00:12:19,306 --> 00:12:21,108 And that's what most people think they are. 231 00:12:21,208 --> 00:12:22,109 I'm 5' 11". 232 00:12:22,209 --> 00:12:23,376 I have this education. 233 00:12:23,476 --> 00:12:24,577 I'm this part in society. 234 00:12:24,677 --> 00:12:26,113 I have this amount of money. 235 00:12:26,213 --> 00:12:29,716 But it's not fundamentally who you are, and to know that, 236 00:12:29,817 --> 00:12:31,484 you need to have the experience of that, 237 00:12:31,584 --> 00:12:33,787 and that's where meditation experience comes in. 238 00:12:48,668 --> 00:12:54,107 >> It was found that square root of 1% in some cities here 239 00:12:54,207 --> 00:12:58,045 and there, and there, and it does create positivity 240 00:12:58,145 --> 00:13:01,314 in the atmosphere, in the tendencies of the people. 241 00:13:01,414 --> 00:13:04,584 >> What excited me about this was that if we wanted to change 242 00:13:04,684 --> 00:13:08,321 global consciousness, we only needed a critical mass 243 00:13:08,421 --> 00:13:10,023 of people tapped in. 244 00:13:10,123 --> 00:13:12,059 When I found in the Bible, verses 245 00:13:12,159 --> 00:13:17,030 that said be still and know that I'm God, the kingdom of heaven 246 00:13:17,130 --> 00:13:18,098 is within. 247 00:13:18,198 --> 00:13:19,732 That's what the meditators are saying. 248 00:13:19,833 --> 00:13:20,533 It's so obvious. 249 00:13:20,633 --> 00:13:21,668 It's right there. 250 00:13:21,768 --> 00:13:23,803 The Bible is saying meditate. 251 00:13:28,041 --> 00:13:31,311 These days, religious affiliation is shrinking. 252 00:13:39,452 --> 00:13:41,889 I needed to go speak to some of the religious leaders 253 00:13:41,989 --> 00:13:44,457 and top scholars of our time about 254 00:13:44,557 --> 00:13:47,060 whether meditation was once part of religion. 255 00:13:52,165 --> 00:13:53,867 When it comes to religious leaders, 256 00:13:53,967 --> 00:13:56,803 there's no one more high profile than Joel Osteen. 257 00:14:00,974 --> 00:14:04,777 I wanted to ask Joel what he thought the manna from heaven 258 00:14:04,878 --> 00:14:06,079 was. 259 00:14:06,179 --> 00:14:08,148 >> I've always taught that it was like bread, you know, 260 00:14:08,248 --> 00:14:09,716 like a mushroom or something. 261 00:14:09,816 --> 00:14:11,584 That's what I heard. 262 00:14:11,684 --> 00:14:12,585 That's what I heard. 263 00:14:12,685 --> 00:14:13,921 >> I'd like it if it was mushrooms. 264 00:14:14,021 --> 00:14:16,924 We can sustain them. 265 00:14:17,024 --> 00:14:18,025 Wow. 266 00:14:18,125 --> 00:14:19,893 I did not expect that. 267 00:14:23,931 --> 00:14:26,466 Bible descriptions from Moses and Jesus 268 00:14:26,566 --> 00:14:29,436 sound more like mushrooms than bread. 269 00:14:29,536 --> 00:14:32,505 In fact, every other miracle that Jesus 270 00:14:32,605 --> 00:14:36,176 is reported to have done was after they drank the mushroom 271 00:14:36,276 --> 00:14:37,144 tea. 272 00:14:37,244 --> 00:14:38,845 >> St. Mark's Basilica in Venice, 273 00:14:38,946 --> 00:14:40,680 Italy Here's all the disciples. 274 00:14:40,780 --> 00:14:43,683 Here's Jesus with giant mushrooms behind him. 275 00:14:43,783 --> 00:14:45,452 >> Oh, very cool, yeah. 276 00:14:45,552 --> 00:14:48,221 We've got Jesus over here with these giant mushrooms 277 00:14:48,321 --> 00:14:49,189 behind him. 278 00:14:52,759 --> 00:14:55,095 Jesus with the giant mushrooms behind him. 279 00:14:55,195 --> 00:15:08,608 >> [laughs] 280 00:15:08,708 --> 00:15:11,578 I wanted to talk to some people who had been there, done that. 281 00:15:19,852 --> 00:15:24,791 >> I've probably had as much psychedelics as anyone alive. 282 00:15:24,891 --> 00:15:30,297 When you fall away for a minute, something happens. 283 00:15:30,397 --> 00:15:33,233 That's actually the beginning, and now, you 284 00:15:33,333 --> 00:15:36,803 have to relearn the world just like you were a baby. 285 00:15:36,903 --> 00:15:40,340 >> What I found makes ayahuasca very special, number one, 286 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,577 is it's the only mind altering substance that needs more than 287 00:15:44,677 --> 00:15:45,845 one substance. 288 00:15:45,945 --> 00:15:47,414 And the other fact that's interesting 289 00:15:47,514 --> 00:15:51,318 is that both of these substances, the MAO, which 290 00:15:51,418 --> 00:15:53,386 is harmaline or tetrahydroharmine, 291 00:15:53,486 --> 00:15:56,356 or the DMT, both of these substances 292 00:15:56,456 --> 00:15:58,758 are produced in every mammalian nervous system. 293 00:15:58,858 --> 00:16:02,329 So they are substances that our body produces. 294 00:16:02,429 --> 00:16:05,898 >> Filmmaker Foster Gamble's documentary, "Thrive," 295 00:16:05,999 --> 00:16:09,502 shattered many of the myths that we've been presented by regular 296 00:16:09,602 --> 00:16:14,107 society that keep us slaves to our so-called reality. 297 00:16:14,207 --> 00:16:17,177 >> So it seems to be a natural inclination to alter 298 00:16:17,277 --> 00:16:20,480 our consciousness somewhat, and I think one of the reasons 299 00:16:20,580 --> 00:16:22,349 for that is, when we alter our consciousness, 300 00:16:22,449 --> 00:16:25,385 we can see our daily consciousness in a new way. 301 00:16:25,485 --> 00:16:27,954 And it shifts, tends to raise and expand 302 00:16:28,055 --> 00:16:31,024 our daily consciousness, and to me, that's the point. 303 00:16:31,124 --> 00:16:34,261 And if we can use substances, whether it's 304 00:16:34,361 --> 00:16:40,967 broccoli or ayahuasca, or you know, C-sharp major, to give us 305 00:16:41,068 --> 00:16:43,803 a glimpse of what's possible for human beings 306 00:16:43,903 --> 00:16:46,005 and specifically what's next for me? 307 00:16:46,106 --> 00:16:47,140 What am I ready for? 308 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,376 >> When my consciousness separated from my body, 309 00:16:49,476 --> 00:16:51,144 it changed the paradigm entirely. 310 00:16:51,244 --> 00:16:54,647 I realized, aha, there's something more than this meat 311 00:16:54,747 --> 00:16:56,249 vehicle that we have. 312 00:16:56,349 --> 00:17:00,820 And that one realization set me off writing all night furiously 313 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,256 until the dawn and it just reevaluated 314 00:17:03,356 --> 00:17:04,857 my whole philosophy. 315 00:17:04,957 --> 00:17:06,425 And from that point on, I've been 316 00:17:06,526 --> 00:17:08,928 on a journey of experiential spirituality, 317 00:17:09,028 --> 00:17:11,198 finding the answers myself, and the plants 318 00:17:11,298 --> 00:17:13,233 have been the greatest teachers in that quest. 319 00:17:13,333 --> 00:17:16,536 >> Many times, there's a huge benefit with one experience 320 00:17:16,636 --> 00:17:20,073 because it really gets to the core of what's been happening. 321 00:17:20,173 --> 00:17:22,375 So it's almost like, you know, 10 years 322 00:17:22,474 --> 00:17:26,179 of therapy in seven hours. 323 00:17:26,279 --> 00:17:30,683 >> Kundalini yoga icon Gurmukh teaches many celebrities how 324 00:17:30,783 --> 00:17:34,821 to journey inside using the Kundalini technique. 325 00:17:34,921 --> 00:17:38,225 She had her own experience with mind altering energies. 326 00:17:38,325 --> 00:17:42,162 >> I do not regret anything I have ever done. 327 00:17:42,262 --> 00:17:43,663 You know people say, I did drugs. 328 00:17:43,763 --> 00:17:44,531 I say, well, so what? 329 00:17:44,631 --> 00:17:45,332 It got you here. 330 00:17:45,432 --> 00:17:46,666 Forget it. 331 00:17:46,766 --> 00:17:48,701 I've met other people that I wish 332 00:17:48,801 --> 00:17:55,074 they had because I feel they can't go through the barrier. 333 00:17:55,175 --> 00:17:57,577 They can't go into that sixth dimension. 334 00:17:57,677 --> 00:17:59,011 >> However you want to look at it, 335 00:17:59,112 --> 00:18:00,347 it's going to be the unknown. 336 00:18:00,447 --> 00:18:01,314 And you have a choice-- 337 00:18:01,414 --> 00:18:02,449 fear or faith. 338 00:18:02,549 --> 00:18:03,816 You know, faith that you're gonna 339 00:18:03,916 --> 00:18:05,518 come out all right, that the lessons are going 340 00:18:05,618 --> 00:18:07,720 to be valuable, and that the medicine will guide you, 341 00:18:07,820 --> 00:18:11,524 or fear, fear that something else is gonna happen. 342 00:18:11,624 --> 00:18:13,059 It's gonna be the unknown either way, 343 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:14,794 so might as well choose faith. 344 00:18:14,894 --> 00:18:17,697 >> There are times in life, where through different means, 345 00:18:17,797 --> 00:18:19,732 and God works in mysterious ways, 346 00:18:19,832 --> 00:18:21,501 we're shown the mountain top. 347 00:18:21,601 --> 00:18:22,769 It's like through grace. 348 00:18:22,869 --> 00:18:24,971 It's like the hand of God lifts us up and just shows 349 00:18:25,071 --> 00:18:26,339 us the mountain. 350 00:18:26,439 --> 00:18:31,878 >> I owe a definite debt of gratitude to my experience with 351 00:18:31,978 --> 00:18:33,280 various substances. 352 00:18:33,380 --> 00:18:37,684 >> I can't endorse it unless you're at a certain space, 353 00:18:37,784 --> 00:18:43,156 in a certain environment, with certain true healers because it 354 00:18:43,256 --> 00:18:45,258 can run havoc, just like LSD did. 355 00:18:45,358 --> 00:18:49,028 >> They are powerful transformational tools and have 356 00:18:49,128 --> 00:18:51,030 to be respected. 357 00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:54,867 And if you approach them with enough humility and respect, 358 00:18:54,967 --> 00:18:56,669 I tend to believe you'll be fine with them. 359 00:18:56,769 --> 00:18:58,771 >> People are afraid that when they go down there and do these 360 00:18:58,871 --> 00:19:01,374 medicines they're gonna lose the things that they love the most 361 00:19:01,474 --> 00:19:02,575 about themselves. 362 00:19:02,675 --> 00:19:04,244 And that's just this common fear. 363 00:19:04,344 --> 00:19:06,746 You know, you get someone who loves their career. 364 00:19:06,846 --> 00:19:09,949 What if I go down, and tells me I want to be a yoga instructor? 365 00:19:10,049 --> 00:19:11,751 I'm like, it's not gonna do that, man. 366 00:19:11,851 --> 00:19:14,521 And if it does, you're gonna be even happier about the fact 367 00:19:14,621 --> 00:19:15,788 that it did. 368 00:19:15,888 --> 00:19:18,425 >> There's an opportunity to use psychotropic drugs, 369 00:19:18,525 --> 00:19:21,661 which will open up that mind and show you, my god, 370 00:19:21,761 --> 00:19:22,829 who you really are. 371 00:19:22,929 --> 00:19:24,163 >> I'm fascinated by it. 372 00:19:24,264 --> 00:19:25,432 I'm interested in it. 373 00:19:25,532 --> 00:19:28,901 I believe it will have real utility somewhere I just-- 374 00:19:29,001 --> 00:19:31,404 it's too soon for me, as somebody that's trained 375 00:19:31,504 --> 00:19:33,172 a certain way-- 376 00:19:33,273 --> 00:19:35,608 do no harm, help, you know, really, 377 00:19:35,708 --> 00:19:38,177 really be clear about what you're doing. 378 00:19:38,278 --> 00:19:39,579 We're not clear yet. 379 00:19:39,679 --> 00:19:41,514 >> Whatever it takes, whether you do the drug or whether you 380 00:19:41,614 --> 00:19:44,617 do the meditation exercises or whatever way, 381 00:19:44,717 --> 00:19:45,952 I don't really care. 382 00:19:46,052 --> 00:19:48,788 >> There's no doubt in my mind that the first indication, 383 00:19:48,888 --> 00:19:50,990 the first formal use for hallucinogens will be at end 384 00:19:51,090 --> 00:19:52,124 of life. 385 00:19:52,225 --> 00:19:53,826 Because it's clear what I'm reading and seeing 386 00:19:53,926 --> 00:19:56,629 in the research is that it improves our ability 387 00:19:56,729 --> 00:20:00,967 to be connected with something and feel OK about the dying 388 00:20:01,067 --> 00:20:03,703 process, and God knows we need help with that in this country. 389 00:20:03,803 --> 00:20:06,873 >> The traditional psychological model or the traditional 390 00:20:06,973 --> 00:20:09,309 medical model, it usually takes years, and years, 391 00:20:09,409 --> 00:20:11,778 and years of therapy, and years of intervention, 392 00:20:11,878 --> 00:20:14,914 and working with a team of experts to get even just 393 00:20:15,014 --> 00:20:17,450 a little progress in someone's life. 394 00:20:17,550 --> 00:20:19,986 What I've seen, and the analogy I give is it's 395 00:20:20,086 --> 00:20:22,455 10 to 20 years of psychotherapy, often in one 396 00:20:22,555 --> 00:20:25,091 to two plant medicine sessions. 397 00:20:25,191 --> 00:20:27,927 >> There is a relationship to plant medicine when it is 398 00:20:28,027 --> 00:20:33,533 entered through the door of the traditions that brings people 399 00:20:33,633 --> 00:20:38,605 more to a sacred recognition of their life, their path. 400 00:20:38,705 --> 00:20:43,510 I think the word drug really has a lot of negative connotations. 401 00:20:43,610 --> 00:20:46,212 I can't think of, you know, maybe-- 402 00:20:46,313 --> 00:20:48,481 if some drug actually cures someone, it's medicine. 403 00:20:48,581 --> 00:20:50,717 >> See, I haven't heard of people going off the rails, 404 00:20:50,817 --> 00:20:53,853 I've seen people go off the rails. 405 00:20:53,953 --> 00:20:57,524 >> Before I took the final leap, I needed to hear it from 406 00:20:57,624 --> 00:20:59,959 a psychedelic bad ass. 407 00:21:00,059 --> 00:21:02,395 That person is Ram Dass. 408 00:21:02,495 --> 00:21:06,433 His real name was Richard Alpert, born to an affluent New 409 00:21:06,533 --> 00:21:07,867 England family. 410 00:21:07,967 --> 00:21:11,304 He attended Harvard, and after graduation, began 411 00:21:11,404 --> 00:21:13,940 as a researcher at the University. 412 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:18,210 It was the 1960s and LSD had just been discovered. 413 00:21:18,311 --> 00:21:22,449 The government was studying its effect on individuals and enemy 414 00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:24,216 combatants. 415 00:21:24,317 --> 00:21:27,654 While a researcher at Harvard, Alpert and Professor Timothy 416 00:21:27,754 --> 00:21:31,023 Leary started to run experiments on students 417 00:21:31,123 --> 00:21:34,594 with psilocybin mushrooms and LSD, both of which 418 00:21:34,694 --> 00:21:36,963 were legal at the time. 419 00:21:37,063 --> 00:21:40,333 The results were nothing short of miraculous. 420 00:21:40,433 --> 00:21:41,934 Users were reporting that they were 421 00:21:42,034 --> 00:21:45,071 having life-changing experiences, including 422 00:21:45,171 --> 00:21:49,876 a study that showed that 60% of alcoholics that were given 423 00:21:49,976 --> 00:21:54,414 one dose of psilocybin mushrooms in the right set and setting 424 00:21:54,514 --> 00:21:56,248 were never alcoholics again. 425 00:22:03,022 --> 00:22:06,659 How could everybody not know about this? 426 00:22:06,759 --> 00:22:10,630 Discouraged with the West, he headed to India. 427 00:22:10,730 --> 00:22:14,000 His guru named him Ram Dass, and when 428 00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:17,870 he came back to the United States and published his book, 429 00:22:17,970 --> 00:22:20,907 "Be Here Now," he was followed around 430 00:22:21,007 --> 00:22:23,443 by massive groups of young people. 431 00:22:23,543 --> 00:22:28,014 >> If anybody has the right intent to want to go 432 00:22:28,114 --> 00:22:39,291 to their own spiritual insides, the psychedelics are wonderful 433 00:22:39,392 --> 00:22:41,227 for them, wonderful. 434 00:22:41,327 --> 00:22:43,896 >> Would you recommend that somebody looking-- 435 00:22:43,996 --> 00:22:46,032 >> Yes. 436 00:22:46,132 --> 00:22:49,301 >> So seekers should go, find a shaman? 437 00:22:49,402 --> 00:22:50,102 >> Sure. 438 00:22:50,202 --> 00:22:51,404 >> And go down and-- 439 00:22:51,504 --> 00:22:53,105 >> Sure. 440 00:22:53,205 --> 00:22:54,407 Sure. 441 00:22:54,507 --> 00:22:55,542 >> That was it. 442 00:22:55,642 --> 00:22:57,744 I was gonna gather up a group of friends 443 00:22:57,844 --> 00:23:01,581 who wanted to take the risk and go as deep into our minds 444 00:23:01,681 --> 00:23:03,516 as humanly possible. 445 00:23:03,616 --> 00:23:06,486 [music playing] 446 00:24:03,042 --> 00:24:03,976 >> Things are just-- 447 00:24:04,076 --> 00:24:07,046 seem to be falling in place, you know? 448 00:24:07,146 --> 00:24:08,615 It feels like it's guided. 449 00:24:08,715 --> 00:24:09,916 It feels like it's meant to be. 450 00:24:10,016 --> 00:24:12,451 So for me, I'm just letting it go, you know? 451 00:24:12,552 --> 00:24:16,956 I just assume every miracle that is going to happen 452 00:24:17,056 --> 00:24:19,391 is about to happen, and I should just kind of 453 00:24:19,492 --> 00:24:22,028 enjoy it and let it happen. 454 00:24:22,128 --> 00:24:24,797 >> I have chosen to work with the mesa, which is medicine, 455 00:24:24,897 --> 00:24:30,803 [?? bandeau, ?? ] meditations, rituals, counseling, 456 00:24:30,903 --> 00:24:34,340 and working with ancestral medicine, such as Huachuma, 457 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,343 or San Pedro, which are ancestral medicines that have 458 00:24:37,443 --> 00:24:42,749 been used for over 5,000 years in the Andes of Peru 459 00:24:42,849 --> 00:24:48,120 by pre-Incan cultures, who are masters of accessing dimensions 460 00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:50,723 of consciousness that are so deep that we often 461 00:24:50,823 --> 00:24:51,858 don't access. 462 00:24:51,958 --> 00:24:54,193 >> You know, I feel like it doesn't matter where 463 00:24:54,293 --> 00:24:58,464 in the world you go, it's like you'll always find, you know, 464 00:24:58,565 --> 00:25:00,166 your kind. 465 00:25:00,266 --> 00:25:04,503 And when it comes to spirituality, 466 00:25:04,604 --> 00:25:09,308 I respect anything or anyone who kind of walks, 467 00:25:09,408 --> 00:25:13,646 respecting the planet, loving nature, and opening 468 00:25:13,746 --> 00:25:19,151 their heart to, you know, the universe and love itself. 469 00:25:19,251 --> 00:25:22,421 As long as that's the main priority behind your religion 470 00:25:22,521 --> 00:25:26,458 or your, you know, ceremonial spiritual belief, then, 471 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:28,961 you know, I'm down with you. 472 00:25:29,061 --> 00:25:30,429 >> I've got a few intents. 473 00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:32,732 Some are very personal, which I'm 474 00:25:32,832 --> 00:25:37,804 gonna try and bring back to my family and loved ones. 475 00:25:37,904 --> 00:25:42,408 And try and take some of that knowledge or the glimpse 476 00:25:42,508 --> 00:25:44,510 of the other dimensions that are out there, 477 00:25:44,611 --> 00:25:48,981 which I've been trying to do kind of in artificial ways, 478 00:25:49,081 --> 00:25:52,184 I mean, sometimes with my artwork and my creativity 479 00:25:52,284 --> 00:25:56,488 but in other ways with less natural things. 480 00:25:56,589 --> 00:25:59,391 And sometimes that's an anesthetic for pain or just 481 00:25:59,491 --> 00:26:02,862 your day-to-day life that gets you down. 482 00:26:02,962 --> 00:26:06,098 But yeah, this is something that's 483 00:26:06,198 --> 00:26:08,167 been calling me for a while to come and do this, 484 00:26:08,267 --> 00:26:10,136 but it hasn't been the right moment in my life. 485 00:26:10,236 --> 00:26:14,206 And so it all seemed to just fall into place naturally. 486 00:26:14,306 --> 00:26:19,478 >> I'm here to have sort of like a rebirth, to, you know, 487 00:26:19,578 --> 00:26:22,715 tap into a place that, I guess, I've never gone. 488 00:26:22,815 --> 00:26:24,884 So I don't know where that is. 489 00:26:24,984 --> 00:26:28,120 I don't know what that is, but hopefully, it's a good thing, 490 00:26:28,220 --> 00:26:29,588 and I'll be able to get through it. 491 00:26:29,689 --> 00:26:32,091 >> When you drink the medicine, 50% 492 00:26:32,191 --> 00:26:35,995 of the medicine's responsibility is to do all the healing, 493 00:26:36,095 --> 00:26:39,498 all the cleansing, all the awakening, all the clearing, 494 00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:43,235 all the harmonizing that it needs to do, 495 00:26:43,335 --> 00:26:46,405 but the other 50% of taking it further, 496 00:26:46,505 --> 00:26:49,608 of taking it deeper is always yours. 497 00:26:49,709 --> 00:26:56,615 Part of my work in this is to make the most gentle transition 498 00:26:56,716 --> 00:27:03,890 possible from being very sleepy to being fully awake. 499 00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:07,326 >> I'm really looking forward to tapping into some of those 500 00:27:07,426 --> 00:27:08,327 guys' stuff upstairs. 501 00:27:29,115 --> 00:27:32,919 >> The San Pedro trip was gnarly. 502 00:27:33,019 --> 00:27:39,358 It was really insane because Fredy Puma, you know, 503 00:27:39,458 --> 00:27:42,762 the shaman that introduced us to the catalyst 504 00:27:42,862 --> 00:27:45,732 to a spiritual journey, you know, 505 00:27:45,832 --> 00:27:49,836 which was the San Pedro, the drink, he-- 506 00:27:49,936 --> 00:27:52,471 so in tune, that guy. 507 00:27:52,571 --> 00:27:57,476 And I recall, you know, being at the top of the mountain, 508 00:27:57,576 --> 00:27:59,545 you know, at this plateau, where we all, you know, 509 00:27:59,645 --> 00:28:03,916 were just so tired from this massive, you know, 510 00:28:04,016 --> 00:28:05,852 high-altitude trek. 511 00:28:05,952 --> 00:28:08,988 And we're finally, you know, getting some air, 512 00:28:09,088 --> 00:28:12,725 and you're looking off at these amazing clouds that 513 00:28:12,825 --> 00:28:14,426 are flying right at you. 514 00:28:14,526 --> 00:28:19,131 And you're at the precipice of this mountaintop, and you know, 515 00:28:19,231 --> 00:28:22,468 you see hundreds of feet below you. 516 00:28:22,568 --> 00:28:29,041 And I got this enormous sorrow, that I was just 517 00:28:29,141 --> 00:28:31,077 overwhelmed with. 518 00:28:31,177 --> 00:28:35,681 And the sorrow that consumed me was something 519 00:28:35,782 --> 00:28:37,950 that I've been carrying for many years, kind 520 00:28:38,050 --> 00:28:42,521 of like a little rebellious anger, like, why am I here? 521 00:28:42,621 --> 00:28:44,556 Like, you know, like, Dad, you know, 522 00:28:44,656 --> 00:28:45,958 like I didn't knock on your balls, 523 00:28:46,058 --> 00:28:47,559 you know, to come out into this, you 524 00:28:47,659 --> 00:28:49,996 know, universe kind of anger that I've 525 00:28:50,096 --> 00:28:52,398 been holding since I was a teenager, you know what I mean? 526 00:28:52,498 --> 00:28:53,399 >> Why stay in the past? 527 00:28:56,368 --> 00:28:57,736 Why suffer? 528 00:28:57,837 --> 00:29:01,407 Why struggle when you can liberate all of that 529 00:29:01,507 --> 00:29:06,345 and be of higher service while being gentle on yourself. 530 00:29:06,445 --> 00:29:08,915 >> I know that you need your ups and downs so you can be human 531 00:29:09,015 --> 00:29:12,484 and enjoy life and transition because it's part of the beauty 532 00:29:12,584 --> 00:29:14,987 of existence is to be sad and enjoy happiness. 533 00:29:15,087 --> 00:29:16,956 You need to know both sides. 534 00:29:17,056 --> 00:29:20,726 But this overwhelming sadness wasn't mine, 535 00:29:20,827 --> 00:29:22,028 didn't belong to me. 536 00:29:22,128 --> 00:29:24,130 Ever since I was a little kid, it didn't belong to me. 537 00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:25,497 It's not mine. 538 00:29:25,597 --> 00:29:27,967 I'm a passenger like Iggy Pop says, you know what I mean? 539 00:29:28,067 --> 00:29:33,539 I'm here to ride this, you know, in a respectful way, respect 540 00:29:33,639 --> 00:29:36,442 everything that I come across, and you know, walk my path 541 00:29:36,542 --> 00:29:38,677 with love, and you know, say goodbye 542 00:29:38,777 --> 00:29:41,613 after my journey's done. 543 00:29:41,713 --> 00:29:44,050 And he came out and he just-- 544 00:29:44,150 --> 00:29:46,118 I felt this warm energy behind me, 545 00:29:46,218 --> 00:29:48,888 and there he was, while I was on the rock, 546 00:29:48,988 --> 00:29:52,224 overlooking the clouds that are flying towards me. 547 00:29:52,324 --> 00:29:54,060 I was just cyring, you know? 548 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,863 And he touched my shoulder, and he said, it's not yours. 549 00:29:56,963 --> 00:29:58,330 Let it go. 550 00:29:58,430 --> 00:29:59,832 Whoo. 551 00:29:59,932 --> 00:30:01,834 [laughs] 552 00:30:01,934 --> 00:30:04,336 [music playing] 553 00:30:30,396 --> 00:30:33,799 If my trip ended today, I've had, 554 00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:39,906 you know, 20 years of heavy pain lifted off of my shoulders, 555 00:30:40,006 --> 00:30:42,975 and I'd be a happy camper without doing the ayahuasca. 556 00:30:43,075 --> 00:30:47,613 So I'm, you know, I'm feeling really, really, really, 557 00:30:47,713 --> 00:30:52,084 really light on my feet, happy, appreciative, 558 00:30:52,184 --> 00:30:54,586 and receptive, very feminine, you know? 559 00:30:54,686 --> 00:30:55,787 I'm such a tomboy. 560 00:30:55,888 --> 00:30:58,224 It's kind of about time I step into my femininity. 561 00:30:58,324 --> 00:31:00,592 >> My full intent coming down here, 562 00:31:00,692 --> 00:31:05,898 my maco intent was to try to share with everybody 563 00:31:05,998 --> 00:31:10,702 in the world, for that matter, the fact that there's different 564 00:31:10,802 --> 00:31:15,274 ways to see reality and that we sort of, in this moment 565 00:31:15,374 --> 00:31:20,179 of chaos, need to take a step back, everybody, and you know, 566 00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:22,514 just try to see things a little differently. 567 00:31:22,614 --> 00:31:25,017 >> The only way that you're supposed to fulfill your role 568 00:31:25,117 --> 00:31:26,685 is by being yourself. 569 00:31:26,785 --> 00:31:30,856 That is the heightened you. 570 00:31:30,957 --> 00:31:34,893 You attract more love, and you attract more energy. 571 00:31:34,994 --> 00:31:37,029 One of my intents and one of the things I asked for 572 00:31:37,129 --> 00:31:39,498 was to face my fears. 573 00:31:39,598 --> 00:31:43,469 And I realized that, no, I don't need to face my fears. 574 00:31:43,569 --> 00:31:45,337 My fears are not gonna go away. 575 00:31:45,437 --> 00:31:49,441 First, I have to accept myself with my fears. 576 00:31:49,541 --> 00:31:53,579 >> Each person has a pattern and that pattern is 50% woven 577 00:31:53,679 --> 00:31:57,049 by the person and 50% by the divine. 578 00:31:57,149 --> 00:32:01,553 Ayahuasca is capable of changing that whole pattern. 579 00:32:01,653 --> 00:32:04,756 From being one person one day, the next day, 580 00:32:04,856 --> 00:32:06,358 you're completely another person. 581 00:32:06,458 --> 00:32:10,696 >> I'm open to light and love and just good vibes, 582 00:32:10,796 --> 00:32:13,365 and anything that isn't on that vibration or frequency, 583 00:32:13,465 --> 00:32:14,266 I'm just like-- 584 00:32:14,366 --> 00:32:15,134 I don't even see you. 585 00:32:15,234 --> 00:32:16,768 You don't exist. 586 00:32:16,868 --> 00:32:19,905 So that's how I'm walking into this ayahuasca trip. 587 00:32:20,006 --> 00:32:22,508 I'm just in a very receptive place. 588 00:32:22,608 --> 00:32:25,311 I just, you know, I know what I'm about. 589 00:32:25,411 --> 00:32:27,713 I know what I stand for, and I know what I resonate with. 590 00:32:27,813 --> 00:32:31,050 And you know, I just hope to walk that path 591 00:32:31,150 --> 00:32:33,585 and you know, whoever's walking along that path, 592 00:32:33,685 --> 00:32:35,887 you know, I hope to meet you, and we can join hands 593 00:32:35,988 --> 00:32:38,324 and, you know, take this trip together, you know? 594 00:32:48,567 --> 00:32:52,038 >> It happened for me in my ayahuasca experience when I was 595 00:32:52,138 --> 00:32:55,607 sitting there and I realized that I had just died. 596 00:32:55,707 --> 00:32:58,944 As I was looking at death and experiencing death, 597 00:32:59,045 --> 00:33:02,914 I saw how dynamic it was and how much was going on. 598 00:33:03,015 --> 00:33:06,952 And I realized that I never needed to fear death again. 599 00:33:07,053 --> 00:33:11,423 It was totally liberating, and as I spent time 600 00:33:11,523 --> 00:33:14,693 in this ayahuasca experience, I realized 601 00:33:14,793 --> 00:33:17,529 that I was sitting in a place where I could ask any question. 602 00:33:17,629 --> 00:33:19,165 I could go into the future. 603 00:33:19,265 --> 00:33:22,568 I could go into the past, whatever I wanted to know. 604 00:33:22,668 --> 00:33:25,137 So I'm gonna ask a big question. 605 00:33:25,237 --> 00:33:29,408 So I decided to ask, why do bad things happen? 606 00:33:29,508 --> 00:33:32,078 And immediately upon asking that, 607 00:33:32,178 --> 00:33:35,381 I was ripped out into the edge of space, 608 00:33:35,481 --> 00:33:37,616 back to where, when you're a kid, you go, yeah, 609 00:33:37,716 --> 00:33:38,950 but what's past space? 610 00:33:39,051 --> 00:33:40,552 And people go, oh, more space. 611 00:33:40,652 --> 00:33:42,354 And what's past that? 612 00:33:42,454 --> 00:33:43,589 More space. 613 00:33:43,689 --> 00:33:47,226 I was out there on the edge, looking at everything 614 00:33:47,326 --> 00:33:49,895 in the universe basically contained, 615 00:33:49,995 --> 00:33:52,364 like God would look at it. 616 00:33:52,464 --> 00:33:56,435 And as I'm looking at it, Spirit said to me, you see that? 617 00:33:56,535 --> 00:33:58,670 It's totally balanced. 618 00:33:58,770 --> 00:34:00,706 It's perfect. 619 00:34:00,806 --> 00:34:03,309 And I looked at it, and I was, like, wow. 620 00:34:03,409 --> 00:34:04,143 That's true. 621 00:34:04,243 --> 00:34:05,477 It's totally balanced. 622 00:34:05,577 --> 00:34:06,445 It's perfect. 623 00:34:06,545 --> 00:34:08,013 If something happens over here, it 624 00:34:08,114 --> 00:34:10,181 will just be made up over here. 625 00:34:10,282 --> 00:34:12,351 And as soon as I had that realization, 626 00:34:12,451 --> 00:34:13,719 I was sucked right back in. 627 00:34:13,819 --> 00:34:16,655 I was sitting in the room again. 628 00:34:16,755 --> 00:34:19,757 And as I was coming out, I just started to laugh. 629 00:34:19,858 --> 00:34:22,994 I was laughing, and I realized that I had just gotten 630 00:34:23,094 --> 00:34:26,831 the entire human cosmic joke. 631 00:34:26,931 --> 00:34:31,036 Here we are with God, the man with the white beard, 632 00:34:31,137 --> 00:34:35,907 and Buddha, and Mohammed, and Jesus, all these men, 633 00:34:36,007 --> 00:34:40,612 and I was with God, and it was a woman. 634 00:34:40,712 --> 00:34:45,551 That has stuck with me everyday since my ayahuasca experience. 635 00:34:52,324 --> 00:34:59,565 >> Well, for me, ingesting the medicine was a destruction 636 00:34:59,665 --> 00:35:02,067 of everything I've ever known, everything I've ever believed 637 00:35:02,168 --> 00:35:04,035 in, everything I ever thought was true. 638 00:35:07,573 --> 00:35:14,079 I tried to reason it for a while, two days after. 639 00:35:17,283 --> 00:35:22,654 Try to reason the idea that it's a hallucinogenic drug, 640 00:35:22,754 --> 00:35:24,022 Michelle. 641 00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:26,992 It just, you know, it takes things from your subconscious 642 00:35:27,092 --> 00:35:29,295 and projects them, you know? 643 00:35:29,395 --> 00:35:31,530 There's absolutely no way that there's 644 00:35:31,630 --> 00:35:33,965 any truth in what you envisioned. 645 00:35:39,705 --> 00:35:41,440 It's just a trip. 646 00:35:41,540 --> 00:35:44,009 You know, you read tons of books on alchemy. 647 00:35:44,109 --> 00:35:48,247 You know, you have tons of information about symbolism 648 00:35:48,347 --> 00:35:50,716 and religion deep embedded into your brain 649 00:35:50,816 --> 00:35:51,883 since you were a little kid. 650 00:35:56,588 --> 00:36:03,229 But I know in my heart of hearts it's not true, 651 00:36:03,329 --> 00:36:07,999 and that everything that I have ever known 652 00:36:08,099 --> 00:36:10,402 could quite probably be bullshit. 653 00:36:10,502 --> 00:36:15,907 [laughs] And it makes me happy. 654 00:36:16,007 --> 00:36:19,911 >> I felt a peace and calm I've never experienced in my life, 655 00:36:20,011 --> 00:36:23,782 an overwhelming feeling that I could relax, 656 00:36:23,882 --> 00:36:27,419 instead of constantly macheting my way through life with 657 00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:28,854 my urban armor on. 658 00:36:28,954 --> 00:36:33,091 It just stripped everything away and put me in contact 659 00:36:33,191 --> 00:36:37,263 with something that was a benevolent higher power is 660 00:36:37,363 --> 00:36:39,965 the only way I can really describe it. 661 00:36:40,065 --> 00:36:41,099 >> It's such a hard time. 662 00:36:44,370 --> 00:36:48,507 In the middle of it, I don't know. 663 00:36:48,607 --> 00:36:52,511 It's like a surgery, and I felt my wounds, 664 00:36:52,611 --> 00:36:58,617 my wounds just opened up, and I was feeling pain. 665 00:36:58,717 --> 00:37:04,155 And then, like I grew up, and I was 666 00:37:04,256 --> 00:37:06,892 able to love myself a little bit more. 667 00:37:12,731 --> 00:37:15,467 >> Once I got through that hard part, 668 00:37:15,567 --> 00:37:19,237 or the part that I needed to get out, 669 00:37:19,338 --> 00:37:29,147 it was just definitely the best life-changing experience that 670 00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:30,882 I've ever been through. 671 00:37:30,982 --> 00:37:32,718 >> When people access these medicines, 672 00:37:32,818 --> 00:37:38,524 they need to access with full love, with full willpower, 673 00:37:38,624 --> 00:37:42,160 otherwise, they need to find other ways. 674 00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:44,763 People will transcend anyways. 675 00:37:44,863 --> 00:37:47,533 Now is the time, and these medicines 676 00:37:47,633 --> 00:37:54,340 are major assistance, major helpers, major masters, 677 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,142 you know, assisting this process of transition for humanity 678 00:37:57,242 --> 00:37:59,645 from one level of consciousness to a higher 679 00:37:59,745 --> 00:38:00,779 level of consciousness. 680 00:38:00,879 --> 00:38:03,649 >> I've lost a lot of anger, a lot of hatred, 681 00:38:03,749 --> 00:38:05,016 and a lot of-- you know what? 682 00:38:05,116 --> 00:38:07,719 If you're an asshole, be an asshole. 683 00:38:07,819 --> 00:38:08,520 It's your fate. 684 00:38:08,620 --> 00:38:09,421 You know what I mean? 685 00:38:09,521 --> 00:38:10,822 Like, I'm easy now. 686 00:38:10,922 --> 00:38:13,359 Like, I'm not angry anymore at all the mean people 687 00:38:13,459 --> 00:38:16,495 in the world, you know, because I accept 688 00:38:16,595 --> 00:38:19,264 that they're part of it, and it's all good, 689 00:38:19,365 --> 00:38:20,399 you know what I mean? 690 00:38:20,499 --> 00:38:24,002 It's not my walk, but you know, do your thing, 691 00:38:24,102 --> 00:38:25,604 and I respect your path. 692 00:38:25,704 --> 00:38:27,439 But don't come near me with your evil energy 693 00:38:27,539 --> 00:38:28,940 because I'll knock you the fuck out. 694 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,176 [laughs] 695 00:38:46,024 --> 00:38:48,494 >> It all comes down to intent for me. 696 00:38:48,594 --> 00:38:51,296 If your intent is right, it's gonna work. 697 00:38:51,397 --> 00:38:53,832 It's gonna be better than you thought, 698 00:38:53,932 --> 00:38:56,001 and you're gonna have a lot less chaos. 699 00:38:56,101 --> 00:38:58,937 It seemed to me that nature recognizes 700 00:38:59,037 --> 00:39:01,640 that people are highly stressed and that people 701 00:39:01,740 --> 00:39:04,743 need healing medicines for the problems of addiction 702 00:39:04,843 --> 00:39:05,944 and depression. 703 00:39:12,017 --> 00:39:15,521 I kept looking for ways to transcend on a daily basis, 704 00:39:15,621 --> 00:39:17,889 and I was introduced to Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, 705 00:39:17,989 --> 00:39:22,093 and his breathing technique called Sudarshan Kriya. 706 00:39:22,193 --> 00:39:24,996 The technique is being done by millions of people, 707 00:39:25,096 --> 00:39:27,799 including prisoners and inner city youth who've 708 00:39:27,899 --> 00:39:30,769 been trained by Sri Sri to use the technique 709 00:39:30,869 --> 00:39:33,204 to overcome their physical environment 710 00:39:33,304 --> 00:39:36,408 and give themselves internal strength. 711 00:39:36,508 --> 00:39:39,545 Sri Sri's logic goes that when we're born, 712 00:39:39,645 --> 00:39:43,615 we draw in our first breath, and when we die, 713 00:39:43,715 --> 00:39:45,751 we let out our final breath. 714 00:39:45,851 --> 00:39:47,819 But most people think nothing of it 715 00:39:47,919 --> 00:39:51,089 in between, when, in fact, breathing 716 00:39:51,189 --> 00:39:54,325 may be our most valuable capability. 717 00:39:54,426 --> 00:39:59,631 >> Breath is an important tool, you know? 718 00:39:59,731 --> 00:40:02,167 For every emotion, there is a particular rhythm 719 00:40:02,267 --> 00:40:04,970 in the breath. 720 00:40:05,070 --> 00:40:08,139 And if we attend to that breath by manipulating 721 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:15,581 your own breath, you can slip into the altered state 722 00:40:15,681 --> 00:40:17,549 of consciousness at will. 723 00:40:24,590 --> 00:40:27,693 >> I learned the Kriya breathing, which blew my mind, 724 00:40:27,793 --> 00:40:31,329 the fact that I was able to put myself into a psychedelic state 725 00:40:31,429 --> 00:40:33,431 with just my breath. 726 00:40:33,532 --> 00:40:36,902 Lightning bolts were shooting out of my hands and feet. 727 00:40:37,002 --> 00:40:38,203 Time stood still. 728 00:40:47,546 --> 00:40:49,648 I continued to get together with my friends 729 00:40:49,748 --> 00:40:51,650 to talk about our experience and how 730 00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:53,485 we were integrating our psychenaut 731 00:40:53,585 --> 00:40:56,187 training into our lives. 732 00:40:56,287 --> 00:40:59,324 >> There's a whole group of scientists, very few, 733 00:40:59,424 --> 00:41:02,327 but enough, who are saying maybe brain doesn't produce 734 00:41:02,427 --> 00:41:05,797 consciousness, maybe brain filters consciousness. 735 00:41:05,897 --> 00:41:07,365 >> You're saying we're transmitters? 736 00:41:07,465 --> 00:41:08,266 >> We're transmitters. 737 00:41:08,366 --> 00:41:09,668 >> Hey, cool. 738 00:41:09,768 --> 00:41:12,270 >> And what you're transmitters of is that infinite potential 739 00:41:12,370 --> 00:41:15,473 that you spoke of, that feel of possibilities. 740 00:41:15,574 --> 00:41:19,845 And so when you start to break down the boundaries, 741 00:41:19,945 --> 00:41:22,347 then all that's left is the infinite. 742 00:41:22,447 --> 00:41:25,083 >> So the boundaries are like your prejudices, things that, 743 00:41:25,183 --> 00:41:27,152 you know, that you've accumulated throughout life, 744 00:41:27,252 --> 00:41:29,855 that you either repel or are attracted to? 745 00:41:29,955 --> 00:41:31,957 >> Yeah, every boundary is a conceptual boundary 746 00:41:32,057 --> 00:41:33,158 in consciousness. 747 00:41:33,258 --> 00:41:36,061 >> This is an Earth rover. 748 00:41:36,161 --> 00:41:38,229 This gives me an opportunity to come to this planet, 749 00:41:38,329 --> 00:41:41,399 step into this suit, have these life experiences, 750 00:41:41,499 --> 00:41:48,774 be creative, and marvel at this planet that we've come to. 751 00:41:48,874 --> 00:41:51,509 And it's so funny because A, I started this whole thing 752 00:41:51,610 --> 00:41:53,311 not spiritual. 753 00:41:53,411 --> 00:41:56,615 B, once I saw the nature of the cell membrane, the cell 754 00:41:56,715 --> 00:41:58,516 receptors, I said, oh, my God. 755 00:41:58,617 --> 00:42:00,619 Instantaneously, I had to recognize 756 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,655 if you buy the science, then it's not is there, 757 00:42:03,755 --> 00:42:04,556 is there not? 758 00:42:04,656 --> 00:42:05,857 There's a spirit. 759 00:42:05,957 --> 00:42:09,027 >> So it really helped me to bring my scientific mind 760 00:42:09,127 --> 00:42:11,529 and my kind of spiritual experience together, 761 00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:13,632 and you're like, they're not different at all. 762 00:42:13,732 --> 00:42:15,667 We're just discovering through all these pathways 763 00:42:15,767 --> 00:42:17,002 how all that is one. 764 00:42:20,005 --> 00:42:25,410 >> After I started to really journey with the plants was 765 00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:27,178 when things sort of changed. 766 00:42:27,278 --> 00:42:29,214 >> When that older boyfriend of mine-- 767 00:42:29,314 --> 00:42:33,785 I was like 24 at that time, and he told me I was an idiot. 768 00:42:33,885 --> 00:42:37,222 And he said, you're very passionate, 769 00:42:37,322 --> 00:42:42,994 but you have nothing to back up how you feel about the world. 770 00:42:43,094 --> 00:42:44,229 You don't read. 771 00:42:44,329 --> 00:42:46,932 You don't have-- you know, you read one book, 772 00:42:47,032 --> 00:42:51,469 and you can get 20 years worth of research in one book. 773 00:42:51,569 --> 00:42:54,072 And he kind of like opened up my mind to do research 774 00:42:54,172 --> 00:42:56,007 and to fill my mind. 775 00:42:56,107 --> 00:42:58,543 Now, when I see the world, I do a psychedelic, 776 00:42:58,644 --> 00:42:59,878 I think metaphorically. 777 00:42:59,978 --> 00:43:02,881 I think on so many different layers, you know? 778 00:43:02,981 --> 00:43:04,850 And of course, I enjoy the moment too. 779 00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:07,518 I can chase sensations like any of them, you know? 780 00:43:07,619 --> 00:43:10,689 I love to feel good and have fun and interact with people, 781 00:43:10,789 --> 00:43:13,892 but you know, information is so beautiful. 782 00:43:13,992 --> 00:43:17,128 And if we could just tap into the reservoirs or fountains 783 00:43:17,228 --> 00:43:20,031 of the people before us, you know, 784 00:43:20,131 --> 00:43:21,667 you never know where it could take you. 785 00:43:26,071 --> 00:43:30,008 >> When I lost Paul, I was like-- 786 00:43:30,108 --> 00:43:34,245 I went through about a year of just being like an animal. 787 00:43:34,345 --> 00:43:40,285 Like, what could I do physically to just get my mind off 788 00:43:40,385 --> 00:43:45,490 of existentialism, get my mind off how transient life is, 789 00:43:45,590 --> 00:43:50,095 and how we just come here and can disappear at any moment? 790 00:43:50,195 --> 00:43:52,297 How could I get my mind off that? 791 00:43:52,397 --> 00:43:57,235 So I was just, fuck, summer, crazy, nuts, berserko. 792 00:43:57,335 --> 00:43:59,070 Like, I did everything I could possibly 793 00:43:59,170 --> 00:44:02,007 do to hide from myself. 794 00:44:02,107 --> 00:44:09,080 And I'll tell you that my ayahuasca trip made 795 00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:14,119 me sad that he left me here. 796 00:44:14,219 --> 00:44:19,557 [laughs] It wasn't a sadness that he's gone. 797 00:44:19,657 --> 00:44:23,161 It was more like a jealousy that he's there first. 798 00:44:23,261 --> 00:44:27,398 [laughs] It's fucked up, but yeah. 799 00:44:30,335 --> 00:44:33,471 >> I think it was affirmed to me in the ayahuasca experience 800 00:44:33,571 --> 00:44:35,573 and some other trips I've had in my life, 801 00:44:35,673 --> 00:44:41,146 where what was happening is, when I took the medicine or I 802 00:44:41,246 --> 00:44:44,950 meditated, and I went inside, that basically, 803 00:44:45,050 --> 00:44:48,619 I was taking filters off is what was happening. 804 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:50,388 So all this bullshit-- 805 00:44:50,488 --> 00:44:52,623 >> Reticular activation system-- 806 00:44:52,724 --> 00:44:54,092 it's like doors of perception. 807 00:44:54,192 --> 00:44:57,495 When he popped it, he felt like that filtration mechanism 808 00:44:57,595 --> 00:45:01,166 that we create by the age of seven was just lifted off. 809 00:45:01,266 --> 00:45:04,569 You know, how, like, you receive so much information 810 00:45:04,669 --> 00:45:07,238 in your visual cortex, but your brain only 811 00:45:07,338 --> 00:45:10,776 accepts a certain amount so that you're not overwhelmed. 812 00:45:10,876 --> 00:45:15,480 That's your reticular activation system deciding, according 813 00:45:15,580 --> 00:45:19,550 to your wants, likes, and fight-or-flight, 814 00:45:19,650 --> 00:45:22,420 deciding what information you're gonna take in. 815 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,456 >> Each time I got together with my fellow psychenauts, 816 00:45:25,556 --> 00:45:28,126 we felt stronger and stronger about the need to get 817 00:45:28,226 --> 00:45:31,296 the information out, so we could help others to access some 818 00:45:31,396 --> 00:45:34,399 of these ancient techniques that had been so profound 819 00:45:34,499 --> 00:45:35,666 in our lives. 820 00:45:35,767 --> 00:45:37,402 We should just, you know, this True Reality Society 821 00:45:37,502 --> 00:45:39,304 should set up a place in, like, Costa Rica. 822 00:45:39,404 --> 00:45:40,505 Put a dome. 823 00:45:40,605 --> 00:45:42,808 >> Like a haven for people who think the same way. 824 00:45:42,908 --> 00:45:45,476 >> Put them all around the world and the consciousness of it is 825 00:45:45,576 --> 00:45:46,277 like-- 826 00:45:46,377 --> 00:45:47,913 >> I'm in. 827 00:45:48,013 --> 00:45:48,780 >> Woo! 828 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:49,314 >> I'm in. 829 00:45:49,414 --> 00:45:50,681 >> All right 830 00:45:50,782 --> 00:45:52,818 Everything's rolling along, things are falling into place, 831 00:45:52,918 --> 00:45:58,824 and you know, like everything in life, you want validation. 832 00:45:58,924 --> 00:46:00,225 You want to know that it's having 833 00:46:00,325 --> 00:46:02,994 some kind of an effect, beyond just, hey, 834 00:46:03,094 --> 00:46:03,995 I'm having a good time. 835 00:46:04,095 --> 00:46:05,030 I'm learning a lot. 836 00:46:05,130 --> 00:46:06,798 I'm having all these cool experiences. 837 00:46:06,898 --> 00:46:10,468 But you know, is something really happening? 838 00:46:10,568 --> 00:46:14,172 And I was looking for some kind of sign that, you know, 839 00:46:14,272 --> 00:46:16,641 it was making a difference because I couldn't 840 00:46:16,741 --> 00:46:20,445 see what the difference was, other than my own friends 841 00:46:20,545 --> 00:46:21,646 and people around me. 842 00:46:21,746 --> 00:46:24,950 So I was kind of thinking, God, give a sign here 843 00:46:25,050 --> 00:46:28,053 that, you know, this is making a difference, 844 00:46:28,153 --> 00:46:29,821 that there's something to it. 845 00:46:29,921 --> 00:46:32,357 And then the phone call came from Jerry, 846 00:46:32,457 --> 00:46:35,460 who I hadn't seen since we shot with Deepak in his apartment 847 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:36,995 years earlier. 848 00:46:37,095 --> 00:46:41,299 Unbeknownst to me, Jerry had taken Deepak's advice as well, 849 00:46:41,399 --> 00:46:44,369 and he went down to Costa Rica to do a plant medicine 850 00:46:44,469 --> 00:46:48,106 called iboga, that comes from an African root. 851 00:46:48,206 --> 00:46:51,342 It's the strongest psychedelic known to man 852 00:46:51,442 --> 00:46:53,144 and Jerry was taking it to see if he 853 00:46:53,244 --> 00:46:55,380 could break his addiction. 854 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,316 The full moon came to Jerry and asked him 855 00:46:58,416 --> 00:47:00,285 if he wanted to see why he was so messed up. 856 00:47:07,492 --> 00:47:09,961 >> Because of my life, I had, like, addiction issues, 857 00:47:10,061 --> 00:47:15,600 tons of women issues, ego issues out the gazoo, smoking, 858 00:47:15,700 --> 00:47:20,305 drinking, you name it, I was a fan, right? 859 00:47:20,405 --> 00:47:25,010 So I said, what's wrong with me? 860 00:47:25,110 --> 00:47:32,317 And so what happened then is that my body went to a house 861 00:47:32,417 --> 00:47:34,652 that I hadn't seen in 48 years. 862 00:47:34,752 --> 00:47:38,756 It was my grandfather's house in Scranton, Pennsylvania. 863 00:47:38,856 --> 00:47:40,258 And at the front of the house, like, 864 00:47:40,358 --> 00:47:44,095 three-year-old me is going like this to me, 865 00:47:44,195 --> 00:47:45,997 is like waving me in. 866 00:47:46,097 --> 00:47:48,766 And I'm looking at the floor, and there was-- as a kid, 867 00:47:48,866 --> 00:47:52,037 I knocked over cranberry juice or grape juice 868 00:47:52,137 --> 00:47:55,840 and it hit the wall, and that stain was on the wall. 869 00:47:55,941 --> 00:47:59,244 This is how perfect detail, and then next thing 870 00:47:59,344 --> 00:48:04,815 you know, the kid opened the door and went like this to me, 871 00:48:04,916 --> 00:48:06,417 like, go look at it. 872 00:48:06,517 --> 00:48:10,621 And my grandfather was sexually molesting me, and I was three. 873 00:48:10,721 --> 00:48:14,625 >> The moon told Jerry to go see his dead grandfather and have 874 00:48:14,725 --> 00:48:18,663 him explain why he'd done it and give him an apology. 875 00:48:18,763 --> 00:48:21,466 Jerry went to see his grandfather, who denied it ever 876 00:48:21,566 --> 00:48:23,368 happened, and sent him away. 877 00:48:23,468 --> 00:48:25,937 She told him to get his father to help 878 00:48:26,037 --> 00:48:29,074 him to get an apology from his grandfather. 879 00:48:29,174 --> 00:48:30,741 >> And he said that he was sorry, 880 00:48:30,841 --> 00:48:34,345 and I told him I forgave him, even though he wouldn't do 881 00:48:34,445 --> 00:48:35,680 anything for me. 882 00:48:35,780 --> 00:48:39,217 And then the guy, the shaman, goes, hey, go to the moon. 883 00:48:39,317 --> 00:48:41,686 So I went to the moon, back to the moon, 884 00:48:41,786 --> 00:48:47,592 and I said, Mrs. Moon, what can you do for me? 885 00:48:47,692 --> 00:48:50,928 And she said, open your chest. 886 00:48:51,029 --> 00:48:55,066 And I went like this, and my heart was in there. 887 00:48:55,166 --> 00:49:00,305 And the moon took my heart out and washed it. 888 00:49:00,405 --> 00:49:02,707 And I said what-- 889 00:49:02,807 --> 00:49:04,509 the shaman is saying, what is she doing? 890 00:49:04,609 --> 00:49:07,112 I said, she's washing it, like this, like, 891 00:49:07,212 --> 00:49:09,714 because she has hands, right? 892 00:49:09,814 --> 00:49:11,382 Crazy but truth. 893 00:49:11,482 --> 00:49:12,750 She's washing it. 894 00:49:12,850 --> 00:49:15,686 I said, what should I do with it, to the shaman. 895 00:49:15,786 --> 00:49:17,688 He said, have her put it in your left hand. 896 00:49:17,788 --> 00:49:20,025 I said, Mrs. Moon, would you put it in my left hand? 897 00:49:20,125 --> 00:49:21,993 And she put it in my left hand. 898 00:49:22,093 --> 00:49:23,761 I said, what do you want me to do with it? 899 00:49:23,861 --> 00:49:25,196 He goes, put it in your chest. 900 00:49:25,296 --> 00:49:27,365 And I went to put it in my chest, and it got here, 901 00:49:27,465 --> 00:49:29,667 and it was black again. 902 00:49:29,767 --> 00:49:34,639 So it only stayed pink for like, I don't know, five seconds. 903 00:49:34,739 --> 00:49:38,576 And I said, I'm not putting this thing in me because it's shit. 904 00:49:38,676 --> 00:49:40,145 You know, it's terrible. 905 00:49:40,245 --> 00:49:43,981 And he said, ask her for a new one. 906 00:49:44,082 --> 00:49:49,187 So I said, Mrs. Moon, can I please have a new heart? 907 00:49:49,287 --> 00:49:50,488 And she said, yeah. 908 00:49:50,588 --> 00:49:53,158 And then she gave me this new heart, and then I said, 909 00:49:53,258 --> 00:49:54,559 what do you want me to do with it? 910 00:49:54,659 --> 00:49:56,027 She said, put it in your left hand. 911 00:49:56,127 --> 00:49:57,362 Put it in your chest. 912 00:49:57,462 --> 00:50:02,767 And then the next day, I was a different guy. 913 00:50:02,867 --> 00:50:04,835 >> He hasn't touched drugs since, 914 00:50:04,935 --> 00:50:07,972 and he's able to have a drink socially without needing to get 915 00:50:08,073 --> 00:50:09,240 drunk. 916 00:50:09,340 --> 00:50:12,310 He's reunited with his family, and for the first time, 917 00:50:12,410 --> 00:50:13,978 he's in a real relationship. 918 00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:17,082 >> The first time I was invited to do plant medicine, 919 00:50:17,182 --> 00:50:18,916 I thought the person was crazy. 920 00:50:19,016 --> 00:50:22,520 I was like, you're gonna take a drug to get spiritual? 921 00:50:22,620 --> 00:50:23,854 I don't think so. 922 00:50:23,954 --> 00:50:25,823 And I wanted nothing to do with it, and it freaked me out. 923 00:50:25,923 --> 00:50:29,394 You know, my mom's a meth addict, and I was a meditator. 924 00:50:29,494 --> 00:50:34,065 And finally, this woman, who was like just a love in my life, 925 00:50:34,165 --> 00:50:35,933 invites me to go, and I couldn't say no. 926 00:50:36,033 --> 00:50:40,105 So I went, and that night, she told me, 927 00:50:40,205 --> 00:50:42,607 set some intentions of what you want to see. 928 00:50:42,707 --> 00:50:45,510 And I said, OK, I want to see why 929 00:50:45,610 --> 00:50:47,845 I keep attracting the same psycho 930 00:50:47,945 --> 00:50:50,215 guy over and over and over with a different face, 931 00:50:50,315 --> 00:50:51,882 sucking the light out of me. 932 00:50:51,982 --> 00:50:53,651 And the second thing that I wanted to see 933 00:50:53,751 --> 00:50:56,187 was what was I here to do? 934 00:50:56,287 --> 00:51:01,025 And so that night was just one of the most amazing nights 935 00:51:01,126 --> 00:51:02,927 of my life. 936 00:51:03,027 --> 00:51:07,398 I was shown exactly who I am, what I'm here to do, 937 00:51:07,498 --> 00:51:10,435 and exactly why I kept attracting that same psycho guy 938 00:51:10,535 --> 00:51:12,170 over and over and over again. 939 00:51:12,270 --> 00:51:14,939 It's just amazing, because Jerry and I wake up everyday, 940 00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:16,241 and we're just, like, wow. 941 00:51:16,341 --> 00:51:17,642 Is this our life? 942 00:51:17,742 --> 00:51:20,611 Like, we just feel so blessed to be in love with our best friend 943 00:51:20,711 --> 00:51:23,514 and to be doing what we love. 944 00:51:23,614 --> 00:51:25,916 >> Immediately, when I came back and my kids saw me, 945 00:51:26,016 --> 00:51:28,353 they knew I was a different guy, and they knew something 946 00:51:28,453 --> 00:51:29,620 changed. 947 00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:31,656 >> As soon as he walked through the door, I can, like, 948 00:51:31,756 --> 00:51:35,526 visibly see a difference, let alone when I was actually 949 00:51:35,626 --> 00:51:37,162 talking with him. 950 00:51:37,262 --> 00:51:38,663 I was, like, shocked, you know? 951 00:51:38,763 --> 00:51:42,267 I was, like, whoa, I've gotta give this thing a whirl. 952 00:51:42,367 --> 00:51:46,671 If it could turn him around 180, what could it do to me? 953 00:51:46,771 --> 00:51:50,375 >> The first time I saw Gerard after he did plant medicine, 954 00:51:50,475 --> 00:51:53,244 he didn't even have to speak or say one word to me. 955 00:51:53,344 --> 00:51:57,248 I could tell, as I walked up to him about 15 feet away, 956 00:51:57,348 --> 00:51:59,284 I knew he was a changed person. 957 00:51:59,384 --> 00:52:02,287 The chances of someone coming out 958 00:52:02,387 --> 00:52:06,157 of that severe of a lifestyle case is very rare. 959 00:52:06,257 --> 00:52:07,758 >> I didn't want to drink anymore. 960 00:52:07,858 --> 00:52:09,594 I was smoking two packs of cigarettes a day, 961 00:52:09,694 --> 00:52:12,463 went from that to nothing immediately. 962 00:52:12,563 --> 00:52:14,199 I can't even think about doing drugs. 963 00:52:14,299 --> 00:52:18,536 Like, I wouldn't even have the thought to go do some drugs. 964 00:52:18,636 --> 00:52:22,673 >> He's like, Zappy, not only did I take plant medicine, 965 00:52:22,773 --> 00:52:25,810 and break my addiction in one session, 966 00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:28,346 but I've actually opened up a center for people to come 967 00:52:28,446 --> 00:52:31,616 and expand their consciousness, heal themselves, 968 00:52:31,716 --> 00:52:35,420 break addiction, and it exists. 969 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,188 And I was like, oh, my god. 970 00:52:37,288 --> 00:52:39,757 It manifested from that conversation 971 00:52:39,857 --> 00:52:42,327 with Deepak that day, were he said stir it up in the pot 972 00:52:42,427 --> 00:52:43,294 and drink it. 973 00:52:51,969 --> 00:52:54,272 >> The moon told me-- 974 00:52:54,372 --> 00:52:56,541 and it sounds so ridiculously crazy-- 975 00:52:56,641 --> 00:52:59,777 but told me to go buy a center and to make 976 00:52:59,877 --> 00:53:03,614 it a plant-based center. 977 00:53:03,714 --> 00:53:05,383 Told me what building to buy. 978 00:53:05,483 --> 00:53:08,953 Told me what to pay for it. 979 00:53:09,053 --> 00:53:11,088 Told me how to treat my girlfriend. 980 00:53:11,188 --> 00:53:13,458 Told me how to treat my children. 981 00:53:13,558 --> 00:53:15,693 Told me that everything would be OK. 982 00:53:15,793 --> 00:53:19,430 >> His place is called Rythmia and where is it? 983 00:53:19,530 --> 00:53:23,734 Set up the place in, like, Costa Rica. 984 00:53:23,834 --> 00:53:26,170 This was the miracle I needed. 985 00:53:26,271 --> 00:53:30,375 This place had manifested out of that single conversation 986 00:53:30,475 --> 00:53:33,244 and the desire to help people break the wiring. 987 00:53:36,481 --> 00:53:39,350 The first ever clinic, where people 988 00:53:39,450 --> 00:53:41,852 can go to expand their consciousness 989 00:53:41,952 --> 00:53:45,256 and heal themselves. 990 00:53:45,356 --> 00:53:47,525 While you're at Rythmia, you can receive 991 00:53:47,625 --> 00:53:51,095 counseling and spiritual development, including 992 00:53:51,195 --> 00:53:55,400 a program developed specifically for Rythmia by Reverend Michael 993 00:53:55,500 --> 00:53:59,003 Beckwith called The Answer is You. 994 00:53:59,103 --> 00:54:02,607 >> It's a consciousness-expanding program 995 00:54:02,707 --> 00:54:06,544 that allows people to, one, take 100% responsibility 996 00:54:06,644 --> 00:54:10,114 for their own life, come out of the shame and blame game, 997 00:54:10,214 --> 00:54:11,482 blaming others. 998 00:54:11,582 --> 00:54:14,485 Two, it moves you through a period 999 00:54:14,585 --> 00:54:17,121 of forgiving yourself and forgiving all others 1000 00:54:17,221 --> 00:54:20,057 so that you can be clean inside. 1001 00:54:20,157 --> 00:54:25,463 Three, you begin to embrace the vibration of intentionality, 1002 00:54:25,563 --> 00:54:28,399 having an intention or a direction of how 1003 00:54:28,499 --> 00:54:29,534 you want your life to be. 1004 00:54:29,634 --> 00:54:31,369 You have to choose this. 1005 00:54:31,469 --> 00:54:36,273 If we don't choose it, then the undertow of the human society 1006 00:54:36,374 --> 00:54:37,241 is choosing for you. 1007 00:54:37,342 --> 00:54:38,943 >> Going to a place like, you know, 1008 00:54:39,043 --> 00:54:42,447 what's being created at Rythmia is a place where you can 1009 00:54:42,547 --> 00:54:44,349 literally just come back to life's rhythm. 1010 00:54:44,449 --> 00:54:46,584 >> You know, the miracle that you're gonna get is that 1011 00:54:46,684 --> 00:54:48,586 you're gonna get the real truth. 1012 00:54:48,686 --> 00:54:53,324 And the truth is that we are all, all of us, 1013 00:54:53,424 --> 00:54:57,495 connected from the same thing, and that love is the thing that 1014 00:54:57,595 --> 00:54:59,397 holds us all together. 1015 00:54:59,497 --> 00:55:03,267 And when you get to that truth, that's 1016 00:55:03,368 --> 00:55:05,836 the whole thing that you've been running from your whole life 1017 00:55:05,936 --> 00:55:07,204 is that one truth. 1018 00:55:07,304 --> 00:55:09,807 And then you come to a place like us, 1019 00:55:09,907 --> 00:55:12,577 and you get to see that that's the truth, 1020 00:55:12,677 --> 00:55:13,911 then there's the miracle. 1021 00:55:14,011 --> 00:55:16,514 And then you can walk away and go, you know what? 1022 00:55:16,614 --> 00:55:19,650 You know, I lost everything this weekend, or this week, 1023 00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:22,487 but I gained my life, and what more could you 1024 00:55:22,587 --> 00:55:24,121 ask for in a vacation? 1025 00:55:32,062 --> 00:55:35,766 >> Everything I've gone through has truly been worth it 1026 00:55:35,866 --> 00:55:38,803 because even before this movie's finished, 1027 00:55:38,903 --> 00:55:42,540 it's already changed the world because this place exists. 1028 00:55:51,215 --> 00:55:55,720 Every act that comes from purpose is supported by nature 1029 00:55:55,820 --> 00:55:58,055 and has the potential to change things 1030 00:55:58,155 --> 00:56:01,058 in ways you could have never dreamed of. 1031 00:56:01,158 --> 00:56:05,229 >> How do I channel all of this connection into being 1032 00:56:05,329 --> 00:56:09,667 an efficient human being in society, into giving back? 1033 00:56:09,767 --> 00:56:11,736 Because for me, love is everything. 1034 00:56:11,836 --> 00:56:16,306 >> That you almost have to have a way to re-enter the ayahuasca 1035 00:56:16,407 --> 00:56:22,413 experience almost on a daily basis to stay tapped into it, 1036 00:56:22,513 --> 00:56:25,716 and it has to be through meditation or through something 1037 00:56:25,816 --> 00:56:28,352 that will deliver you back there, if only for a moment. 1038 00:56:33,824 --> 00:56:36,627 >> All of us had life-changing experiences, 1039 00:56:36,727 --> 00:56:40,330 so the question is, how could these incredible plant energies 1040 00:56:40,431 --> 00:56:44,735 be illegal today to consume or even to study? 1041 00:56:44,835 --> 00:56:47,071 It turns out that the answer to that question 1042 00:56:47,171 --> 00:56:49,840 may be even more sinister than the reason they've been 1043 00:56:49,940 --> 00:56:52,810 taken out of religion-- money. 1044 00:56:52,910 --> 00:56:55,145 The pharmaceutical companies are only 1045 00:56:55,245 --> 00:56:58,115 interested in selling their patented petroleum-based 1046 00:56:58,215 --> 00:57:00,417 medications that people need to take 1047 00:57:00,518 --> 00:57:02,553 for the rest of their lives. 1048 00:57:02,653 --> 00:57:06,457 These drugs do not cure but only mask the symptoms 1049 00:57:06,557 --> 00:57:08,392 and have significant negative side effects. 1050 00:57:11,529 --> 00:57:15,933 Here I am, living my entire life sustained by plants. 1051 00:57:16,033 --> 00:57:18,903 I'm eating vegetarian, and my day job 1052 00:57:19,003 --> 00:57:21,371 is bringing out a plant-based formula 1053 00:57:21,472 --> 00:57:23,574 to help people with addiction. 1054 00:57:23,674 --> 00:57:25,876 I owe everything to these ancient tools. 1055 00:57:32,282 --> 00:57:37,254 Plant medicine, meditation, breathing, 1056 00:57:37,354 --> 00:57:39,657 these are some of the tools that were once part 1057 00:57:39,757 --> 00:57:41,626 of the religious tradition. 1058 00:57:41,726 --> 00:57:43,460 It's time to bring them back. 1059 00:57:52,637 --> 00:57:56,674 We started the True Reality Society to create a peace army 1060 00:57:56,774 --> 00:57:59,409 to counteract mass violence in the world, 1061 00:57:59,510 --> 00:58:01,345 and to bring together people who believe 1062 00:58:01,445 --> 00:58:04,348 in the importance of going inside their minds. 1063 00:58:11,822 --> 00:58:14,158 [music playing] 1064 01:04:51,321 --> 01:04:55,559 >> Breathe in slowly, and then breathe out slowly. 1065 01:04:58,895 --> 01:05:05,235 On the in breath, perhaps having the thought peace, 1066 01:05:05,335 --> 01:05:10,807 and on the out breath, the thought joy. 1067 01:05:10,907 --> 01:05:19,349 Peace on the in breath and joy on the out breath. 1068 01:05:27,524 --> 01:05:29,326 And bring your awareness into your heart 1069 01:05:29,426 --> 01:05:35,632 now, and remember a great experience of love. 1070 01:05:47,311 --> 01:05:55,585 Remember a great experience of compassion, 1071 01:05:55,685 --> 01:06:09,799 a great experience of joy, a great experience of equanimity, 1072 01:06:09,899 --> 01:06:12,336 the peace that passes understanding. 1073 01:06:16,306 --> 01:06:21,678 And now bring your awareness back into your whole body, 1074 01:06:21,778 --> 01:06:28,485 and allow the boundaries of your body to slowly dissolve, 1075 01:06:28,585 --> 01:06:32,589 and merge with your surroundings. 1076 01:06:35,725 --> 01:06:37,994 Recognize that every boundary is conceptual. 1077 01:06:41,265 --> 01:06:42,099 There's no boundary. 1078 01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:43,800 There are no national boundaries, 1079 01:06:43,900 --> 01:06:48,338 no tribal boundaries, no ethnic boundaries, 1080 01:06:48,438 --> 01:06:53,143 no racial boundaries, no religious boundaries. 1081 01:06:53,243 --> 01:06:56,846 They're all imagination, and they 1082 01:06:56,946 --> 01:06:59,949 have limited our potential. 1083 01:07:00,050 --> 01:07:03,653 We are the stars, and we are the sky, and we are the moon, 1084 01:07:03,753 --> 01:07:05,955 and we are the galaxies. 1085 01:07:06,056 --> 01:07:08,125 We are the cosmic horizon. 1086 01:07:08,225 --> 01:07:10,394 We are the Big Bang. 1087 01:07:10,494 --> 01:07:13,197 We are the laws of nature. 1088 01:07:13,297 --> 01:07:17,167 We are Planck scale space-time geometry, 1089 01:07:17,267 --> 01:07:22,639 where everything dissolves into all possibilities, 1090 01:07:22,739 --> 01:07:26,743 were platonic values like truth, goodness, beauty, harmony, 1091 01:07:26,843 --> 01:07:31,115 evolution are embedded as the essential raw material 1092 01:07:31,215 --> 01:07:34,851 of the universe, where there is mathematical truth but also 1093 01:07:34,951 --> 01:07:40,690 musical truth, where there is the poetry of the universe, 1094 01:07:40,790 --> 01:07:45,695 and the dance of the universe, and we are that dance. 1095 01:07:45,795 --> 01:07:49,466 As Sufi poet Rumi says, look at these words spinning out 1096 01:07:49,566 --> 01:07:50,334 of nothingness. 1097 01:07:50,434 --> 01:07:53,303 This is within your power. 1098 01:07:53,403 --> 01:07:55,305 We come spinning out of nothingness, 1099 01:07:55,405 --> 01:07:59,042 scattering stars like dust. 1100 01:07:59,143 --> 01:08:02,146 Out beyond all ideas of right doing and wrong doing, 1101 01:08:02,246 --> 01:08:03,513 there's a field. 1102 01:08:03,613 --> 01:08:05,782 I'll meet you there. 1103 01:08:05,882 --> 01:08:08,652 So remember the field that you went to. 1104 01:08:08,752 --> 01:08:12,356 It was beyond right doing and wrong doing. 1105 01:08:12,456 --> 01:08:18,094 It was the field from where we come and which we long for. 1106 01:08:21,130 --> 01:08:26,335 I'll let Roberto finish his Peruvian shamanic song. 1107 01:08:26,435 --> 01:08:29,673 >> [singing in non-english] 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