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There is a difference
between R. Kelly and Robert.
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R. Kelly is this fun,
laughing, loving guy.
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(echoing): But Robert is the devil.
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She fell in love with
someone that is a predator.
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It's heartbreaking.
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This man is a monster.
That's what he is.
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I'm gonna call the police
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and tell them you kidnapped my sister.
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This can't keep going on.
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You need to see the
effects of your behavior.
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He's proving that he's never
going to take responsibility
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for his actions.
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That's a predator that's telling y'all,
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"I'm-a get these girls to
do what I want 'em to do
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when I want 'em to do."
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And so we decided to protest.
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He needs to worry about
righting his wrongs. Period.
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I hope Robert is trying
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to get his sense together.
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Whatever's in the dark
will come to light.
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Time's up for R. Kelly.
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♪ ♪
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(cheering)
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R&B singer R. Kelly is denying claims
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he's keeping a household of young women
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in a cultlike atmosphere.
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My name is Timothy Savage.
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Stockholm syndrome.
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That's what my daughter has right now.
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Never been feeling hostage
or anything like that.
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TIMOTHY: It's been
almost two years.
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We still haven't seen our daughter.
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REPORTER: Hey, Joycelyn.
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When I saw the TMZ video,
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I looked over, and it was
my daughter, Dominique.
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I just put two and two together.
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I ain't leaving this damn hotel.
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I did came too damn close. I'm this far.
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KANIKA "KITTI" JONES:
He beat me in the car,
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and he was slapping me repeatedly.
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And I just started
thinking of ways to, like,
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end my life or end his.
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(crying)
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Come on, we're leaving.
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(woman crying)
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(vocalizing)
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ALICE CLARY: Our
daughter met R. Kelly
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at a concert in Orlando.
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ANGELO CLARY: R. Kelly
picked my daughter, Azriel,
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to go up on stage.
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I knew his background,
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but I'm right here with
her. Her mom right here.
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None of this could happen to me.
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ALICE: One day we
get a phone call.
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"Oh, I'm at a hotel with R. Kelly."
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R. Kelly expresses interest
in working with Azriel
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to possibly further her music career.
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And, um, he wanted to be her mentor.
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Honestly, I didn't think
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it was a good fit.
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Uh, I didn't want to
have any part of it,
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but Azriel pressed us.
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She made threats
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if we didn't, you
know, let her do this.
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We told her, like, basically,
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for you to do anything else with him,
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she could not be with him by herself.
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She was flying
back and forth, um,
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to different cities, but one
of us was always in attendance.
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Either myself, my husband, my son
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or my oldest daughter, A'Iceis.
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A'ICEIS: Azriel and I arranged
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for me to go to Chicago,
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and I was supposed to stay
for about a month or two.
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But when I got out there, it wasn't what
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Azriel made it to be. Nor him, R. Kelly.
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Some driver picked me up.
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We went to the studio,
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and we sitting in there,
and he making music.
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And he spoke to me. "Hey, A'Iceis."
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You know, it was cool at first.
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But Azriel made it to be
like she could go places,
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she could do things.
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We couldn't do nothing.
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She couldn't walk out the
room without calling R. Kelly.
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It was all about what R. Kelly wanted.
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Finally, I went and walked out
to go get me something to eat.
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She was just like, "You can't.
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You have to come back.
R. Kelly's gonna get us."
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"Get us? No, he's not gonna get us,
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'cause I'm a grown-ass woman."
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She was like, "No, you
just have to call him
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and let him know
where you're going."
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I'm not finna keep picking
up the (bleep) phone
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and calling R. Kelly. He ain't my daddy.
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My daddy's in Florida.
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When I woke up in the
morning, she wasn't there.
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So I was like, "Okay, he
must have came and got her."
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I was calling Azriel. No answer.
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Well, I know where
their studio is.
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I walk to the studio,
and, um, I walked in.
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R. Kelly's nephew was there.
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He said, "Oh, they left."
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And I was like, "They
left?" He was like, "Yeah."
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And I was like, "Why? You
know, where's my sister?
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"Like, I-I don't know
why would he be leaving
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with my sister. I'm here."
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So I started yelling,
and I started cussing.
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I was like, "Somebody need
to bring my sister out here."
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And my sister came
out, and she was like,
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"What's wrong? What's going on?"
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I was like, "We're leaving.
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Like, we're lea... Let's go."
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I started dragging my
sister out of the studio.
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And then R. Kelly's
pulling my sister, too,
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and I'm pulling her, too.
I'm telling R. Kelly,
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"I'm gonna call the police and tell them
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you kidnapped my sister. Period."
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R. Kelly told his security
to make me disappear.
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They pinned me down, carried me out.
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They pulled up in the back
of an alley at McDonald's.
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I was shoved out.
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Didn't know where I
was. They was like,
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"If you say anything,
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"your sister won't make it out alive.
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Or your family."
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My daughter A'Iceis
called, uh, back home.
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She was like, "No, Azriel,
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she want to be up here,
but we need to leave."
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My parents, they had
to get me another room
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'cause I told them I didn't feel safe,
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but they didn't know what was going on
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because they said, "Don't
mention anything about it,
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or your sister won't
make it out alive."
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Had happened, no. I didn't tell them.
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ALICE: The phone
call took me aback,
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like something happened.
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So me and him flew up the next day.
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ANGELO: Once we flew to Chicago,
we, uh, talked to R. Kelly,
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and he explained everything
that was going on.
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It wasn't like, uh, our oldest
daughter, A'Iceis, thought.
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Azriel assured us, "Dad,
it wasn't like that.
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I promise you."
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Even A'Iceis downplayed
it once we got there,
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like, "It wasn't that serious.
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Maybe I just was over the top with it."
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Okay, maybe this, you know.
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My daughter overreacted, you know.
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We all got eyes on him now,
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so we feeling safe
that she there.
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ALICE: At this point,
Azriel was getting ready
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to start her senior
year in school.
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ANGELO: Before we left Chicago,
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he mentioned that Azriel would need
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to f-fully commit so
that he can hurry up
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and get something done for her,
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but he was gonna do it as he's touring.
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And I told him that she can't go
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without having somebody with her.
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So if somebody could
be with her, we fine.
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ALICE: So R. Kelly
said that he would
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- actually have someone from the record label...
- From the label.
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...be a guardian over her,
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um, that we could talk to
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to make sure she's, you
know, doing her schooling,
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that whenever she needed
to get home for something
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she would get home,
whatever the case may be.
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It would be a female.
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So, um, that's what we had agreed to.
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And we actually signed it.
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We were on the phone with him,
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at this point, on a regular basis,
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so we felt... seemed
like everything was okay,
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um, at that point.
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It seems that part of
what he was selling is,
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"I'm a star, and I can make you a star."
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If you know the story of the Pied Piper,
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the Pied Piper was a... was a musician,
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you know, who led a bunch
of kids out of a village
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via music never to be seen again.
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And I just thought that was insane.
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You know, I think that was
his middle finger to the law.
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'Cause he was like,
"Yeah, I'm untouchable."
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Instead of calling
himself the Teflon Don,
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he called himself the Pied Piper.
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And, you know, from what
we see, he-he hasn't stopped
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leading, uh, young girls out of villages
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via music ever since.
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DR. CANDICE NORCOTT: So, you
work really hard to be seen
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as this benevolent public figure,
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but in your private life,
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there are these things that you're doing
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that you don't want the public to know.
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So, that tension can create
conflict within a person
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that can then look like anger outbursts.
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Somebody can be really
relaxed and happy.
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Somebody can be really angry one minute.
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And so that's how I kind
of best understand that...
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you know, people saying, "Well,
there are many different sides
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of this person, and I'm... we're
not sure what we're gonna get."
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Yo, what's up, you guys?
It's your boy, Kells, man.
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I just wanted to break some things down
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and talk to you guys, just
to clear some things up.
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I've been getting a lot of
slack from, you know, people
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about, you know, um, my album
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or, you know, my career
and things like that.
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Real talk.
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We have got to support each other, man.
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Quit playing, you know what I'm saying?
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I've done all of the
shows there is to do.
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I've, you know, I've
done all this promotion,
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and my company's not
getting behind this album,
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The Buffet album. You know, um...
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But I tell you, you know,
none of that, to me, matters.
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None of that matters, you know,
because at the end of the day,
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it's really about us coming together.
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(distorted): He did the
Huffington Post interview,
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and the interviewer asked
him questions about the girls.
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And he, um, did not want
to answer the questions.
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Would you say that you have a
healthy relationship with sex
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and that that is reflected musically?
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I would have to say this:
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I did not come here to get interrogated.
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I didn't come here for a deposition.
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You know what a deposition is?
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- I'm very aware of what a deposition is.
- Well, then...
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- I'm asking you about your music.
- You should, then,
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you should agree with me when, when...
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- I asked about your music.
- ...when I say that this sounds
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sort of like a deposition.
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What do you say
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to the multiple fans,
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the many fans who are
watching and listening
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- that say there have been...
- I say I love my fans.
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- ...multiple accusations against you...
- I say I love my fans.
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- against young women in Chicago,
- I say I love all of my fans.
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and they are concerned
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- about your past,
- People that are against me.
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- and that's impacting them
- People that are with me.
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- from purchasing your music sales?
- I love them all.
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I love them all. It
doesn't matter who they are,
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if they hate me, they love me,
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they want to destroy me, whatever.
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I love them all. And I love you, too.
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You don't need to give me
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- any of your love, sir.
- I love everybody.
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You really don't need to give
me your love. I just wanted
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to ask the question. I have
a video question for you
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- from a fan if you...
- No video questions for me,
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- 'cause this interview is over.
- Okay.
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- Thank you very much for coming...
- All right.
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FORMER EMPLOYEE: And
so, he was very upset
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about that interview.
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He just wanted to vent.
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He was blaming different people on staff
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about the way the interview turned out.
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That was a time that he
actually wanted to know
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what was being said
online about the interview.
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R. Kelly can read,
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but he has difficulties
reading certain words,
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and of course no one
would tell him the truth.
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I was one of the people who lied to him
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about what was being said online.
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ALICE: December 30,
Azriel turned 18.
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And that is when all hell broke loose.
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ANGELO: Her phone was going
straight to voice mail.
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ALICE: Everything changed,
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and we stopped hearing from her.
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At that point, she's 18.
She can do what she want.
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I can't make her go anywhere.
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So, my daughter A'Iceis
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finally told us the truth.
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ALICE: We talked to her.
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Like, this came out months later.
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And she was crying. She was
very upset and distraught.
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She was telling us about
the incident at the studio
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when she was going
through the different rooms
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looking for, uh, Azriel.
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She knocked on every one of the doors.
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She said there was girls
and stuff in other rooms,
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but, like, they couldn't talk.
They wouldn't say anything.
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She noticed buckets in
the corner of every room,
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and she said that it looked like
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they were using the buckets
to use the bathroom in.
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A'ICEIS: I was like,
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why would you go from being
able to use your own bathroom
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to going in a room where
you have to pee in a corner?
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You have to pee in a pitcher.
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And then got to, whenever he tells you,
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you can go and dump the
piss, you can go dump it.
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PRODUCER: Why do you think
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your daughter, A'Iceis,
changed her story?
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- It was because he had threatened...
- ANGELO: Yeah.
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He had threatened her and us, and...
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You know, he could make it
bad for your family, and, yeah,
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maybe your mom and your
father and this and that.
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So I could see her taking
that into consideration
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and think she's looking out for us,
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you know, saving her parents.
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But I wish she wouldn't
have. I wish she would've
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told me right then and there, you know?
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A'ICEIS: So,
Azriel was with him.
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ANGELO: You know, we're
a very close-knit family.
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Very. We're very open,
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so she could've talked to
us about anything, so for her
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to leave her family was
mind-blowing for us.
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ALICE: I called the
number that I had for her
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three or four times a day.
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I don't get an answer,
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don't get a reply. I text.
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When you have a child
that's lost and passed away,
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you know, you know they're gone,
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like, you're never gonna see them again,
314
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but this is a little bit different,
315
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because I know she's somewhere.
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It's just that he won't
allow her to talk to me.
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She fell in love with
someone that is a predator.
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It's heartbreaking.
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(crying)
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ALICE: The last time that we
saw Azriel was at her graduation
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from high school in 2016.
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After Azriel turned 18,
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we started having all kinds
of people from social media,
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just from everywhere, reaching
out to us, anonymously,
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saying, um, you know, all this
was going on with our daughter,
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and that we needed to
get her away from him.
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Okay, why you didn't tell
us that when she was 17?
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And so, this anonymous person
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actually put us in
touch with the Savages.
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One of their daughters,
Joycelyn, who was 19
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at the time when
she met R. Kelly,
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is also one of the young ladies
333
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that is with R. Kelly
in his sex cult.
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ANGELO: To meet
Tim and his wife...
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that was a kind of relief
as a parent, to finally
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meet somebody who
actually has gone through
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what we're going through,
because all the people
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that was around us, they
could say, "Oh, we understand."
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You don't understand.
340
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Nobody could ever
understand what it feels like
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to have a child that's
living and breathing,
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and you can't see 'em.
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TIMOTHY: I had word
that Joycelyn was
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at the Atlanta house
in Johns Creek.
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And we wanted to do a wellness check.
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(distorted): So, a wellness check
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is when you can call the police
348
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to check on someone that you
have not had contact with,
349
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and you're concerned about
the person's well-being.
350
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We're in front of R. Kelly's house.
351
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We're trying to check on our
daughter, Joycelyn Savage.
352
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Make sure my sister,
Joycelyn Savage, is okay.
353
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And, uh, we're gonna
do what we have to do
354
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to make sure my daughter...
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No bruises, no nothing on her body.
356
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We just want to make sure she's fine.
357
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If she won't come to us at the
concert, we're gonna go to her.
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We're gonna make sure that we see her.
359
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There's about four, five
police cars here already.
360
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At that time, um, she wasn't there.
361
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Uh, we talked to the police department,
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did a writ... written
statement, me and my wife.
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ALICE: The Savages hadn't talked
to their daughter, either,
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for a while, so, they were like,
365
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"Let's get together to
try to do whatever we could
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"to get our girls home,
367
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"and to help other young ladies
so they won't fall victim.
368
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Let's see if we can get
Chicago to do a wellness check."
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I was told about the
wellness checks being done at
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the house in Atlanta, as well
as the studio in Chicago.
371
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R. Kelly knew about
the wellness check
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in Chicago before it happened,
because he has friends
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in the police department
in Chicago who warned them.
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The police officer went
and talked to the girls.
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He told the Savages
about their daughter,
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and then he told us about our daughter.
377
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Um, he basically said
378
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both of the girls were
okay, they looked healthy,
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but at the end of the day,
that doesn't mean anything.
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My daughter is still not home with me.
381
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My daughter is being mistreated.
382
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We really want to
know what is he hiding?
383
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What are you really hiding?
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Why won't you let us see our daughter?
385
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Throughout this whole process, um,
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initially, I had told
you, we had people come out
387
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anonymously and tell us that,
you know, what was going on
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with Azriel once she turned 18.
389
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We have people coming
back, other young ladies,
390
00:18:00,162 --> 00:18:02,246
that's telling us stuff.
I mean, this is crazy.
391
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This man is a monster.
That's what he is.
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BURKE: I remember reading
about the Savages and
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the Clarys and their desperation
to get their daughters home.
394
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And while I wasn't
surprised, I was surprised.
395
00:18:16,553 --> 00:18:18,888
We've seen such a
progression from the...
396
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from the very first allegations
397
00:18:20,682 --> 00:18:23,267
we heard of, of him
picking up young girls
398
00:18:23,268 --> 00:18:24,769
and having sex with them,
399
00:18:24,770 --> 00:18:26,395
to now.
400
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He's still engaging
in this behavior,
401
00:18:28,023 --> 00:18:29,941
but it feels like
he's being more clever
402
00:18:29,942 --> 00:18:32,527
about the ways that he, um,
403
00:18:32,528 --> 00:18:34,946
preys on this community of girls.
404
00:18:34,947 --> 00:18:37,907
Getting girls who are
right over the age
405
00:18:37,908 --> 00:18:39,992
so people can't technically say
406
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that you're with
an underage girl.
407
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FORMER EMPLOYEE:
The house in Atlanta,
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the main house, is the house
where he stays, and the girls
409
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lived in the house, as well.
410
00:18:54,675 --> 00:18:57,760
In the house,
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Azriel kind of had precedence
over the other girls
412
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when it came to where he
slept at night, or whatever
413
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he considered his night.
414
00:19:06,937 --> 00:19:08,354
That's the room he would sleep in.
415
00:19:08,355 --> 00:19:10,565
She's the girl he would go to bed with.
416
00:19:10,566 --> 00:19:16,029
In the beginning, Joycelyn
was back and forth to school.
417
00:19:17,656 --> 00:19:21,242
The trainer was a girl
that lived in the house.
418
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She had been there the longest.
419
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She's the girl he really trusts.
420
00:19:25,455 --> 00:19:30,626
Her responsibility was to train
all the girls who he brought in.
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00:19:30,627 --> 00:19:32,837
Any girl that R. Kelly slept with,
422
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she slept with them, as well.
423
00:19:36,758 --> 00:19:42,680
He has a certain type of woman
or girl that he will bring
424
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into the house to live,
but as far as a woman
425
00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:48,269
that he would just
mess around with...
426
00:19:48,270 --> 00:19:50,771
he don't really have a type.
427
00:19:50,772 --> 00:19:54,734
Before the girls even become a
permanent fixture in the house,
428
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he gets a feel of
where they are mentally.
429
00:19:57,863 --> 00:20:01,282
If he meets a woman and then
finds out she has it going on,
430
00:20:01,283 --> 00:20:03,911
then that's the girl who's
just gonna come and go.
431
00:20:06,204 --> 00:20:09,498
If the girl seems like she's weak,
432
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she don't really have
the family's support,
433
00:20:11,710 --> 00:20:14,128
or no one's gonna come asking questions,
434
00:20:14,129 --> 00:20:16,505
or he's even able to
manipulate the family...
435
00:20:16,506 --> 00:20:19,217
that's the girl he's
gonna bring into the house.
436
00:20:20,969 --> 00:20:23,930
The girls who are in the
house are girls who are
437
00:20:23,931 --> 00:20:26,892
just totally dependent on him.
438
00:20:30,979 --> 00:20:33,397
ASANTE: He'd go for
the younger girls
439
00:20:33,398 --> 00:20:35,399
because they are weak-minded,
440
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,653
but if you're older, and he
feels like you're weak-minded,
441
00:20:38,654 --> 00:20:40,488
he's gonna go for you, too.
442
00:20:40,489 --> 00:20:43,366
It doesn't matter if
you're 16 or if you're 40.
443
00:20:43,367 --> 00:20:45,451
If you can contr... If
he could control you,
444
00:20:45,452 --> 00:20:46,912
that's all he wants.
445
00:20:49,456 --> 00:20:51,666
I was that die-hard fan.
446
00:20:51,667 --> 00:20:54,293
If you said anything
bad about him,
447
00:20:54,294 --> 00:20:56,170
I would put you out of my house.
448
00:20:56,171 --> 00:20:57,630
I would, like...
449
00:20:57,631 --> 00:20:59,424
I would just stop all communication.
450
00:21:01,677 --> 00:21:04,721
When I first met R. Kelly,
I was just shell-shocked.
451
00:21:06,848 --> 00:21:08,474
I was, like, really nervous,
452
00:21:08,475 --> 00:21:10,268
and, like, he was just real friendly,
453
00:21:10,269 --> 00:21:12,061
just, you know, talking openly.
454
00:21:12,062 --> 00:21:13,897
Laughing, telling jokes, and I'd laugh.
455
00:21:15,107 --> 00:21:17,441
R. Kelly and I started dating.
456
00:21:17,442 --> 00:21:20,529
Officially, for us, it was 2014.
457
00:21:23,490 --> 00:21:26,117
It-it was really like a
high for me, because I...
458
00:21:26,118 --> 00:21:27,994
'cause, again, it's R. Kelly.
459
00:21:27,995 --> 00:21:30,162
(chuckling): So it was like,
I'm engaging in conversation,
460
00:21:30,163 --> 00:21:31,707
texting with R. Kelly.
461
00:21:33,458 --> 00:21:35,459
In the beginning,
462
00:21:35,460 --> 00:21:38,295
he gave me some of the rules,
but not all of the rules.
463
00:21:38,296 --> 00:21:40,798
He pretty much let me know
that he had other girls.
464
00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:43,009
I had to accept it. If
I couldn't accept it,
465
00:21:43,010 --> 00:21:45,303
then there's no need for
us to even try anything.
466
00:21:47,389 --> 00:21:49,640
At the time, knowing that
467
00:21:49,641 --> 00:21:51,392
I was not the only woman in his life...
468
00:21:51,393 --> 00:21:52,810
I was okay with it because
469
00:21:52,811 --> 00:21:54,895
I felt like he was honest.
470
00:21:54,896 --> 00:21:56,897
I was married before,
471
00:21:56,898 --> 00:21:59,191
and my husband... he was abusive,
472
00:21:59,192 --> 00:22:00,860
as well as he was a cheater.
473
00:22:00,861 --> 00:22:03,195
And I respected the fact
474
00:22:03,196 --> 00:22:05,281
that R. Kelly was
honest to let me know
475
00:22:05,282 --> 00:22:07,575
that "it's not just
you that I'm seeing."
476
00:22:07,576 --> 00:22:10,828
So, it was just like a dream
come true, and it was like
477
00:22:10,829 --> 00:22:14,249
I was willing to do
anything to please him.
478
00:22:17,836 --> 00:22:19,795
When we started
becoming intimate,
479
00:22:19,796 --> 00:22:21,797
I was living in my
home in Atlanta,
480
00:22:21,798 --> 00:22:24,009
and he was living in
his home in Chicago.
481
00:22:25,802 --> 00:22:28,554
I would travel back
and forth to Chicago,
482
00:22:28,555 --> 00:22:30,849
or whatever city he was
at, as far as the tour.
483
00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:33,809
And then, he was also coming
484
00:22:33,810 --> 00:22:35,311
to Atlanta a lot, as well, because
485
00:22:35,312 --> 00:22:37,897
he was using someone's
studio and playing basketball.
486
00:22:37,898 --> 00:22:41,233
And so, I was with him
487
00:22:41,234 --> 00:22:43,195
when he was in Atlanta.
488
00:22:44,738 --> 00:22:47,823
As a fly-in, it was normal life.
489
00:22:47,824 --> 00:22:50,451
Just me and him, two
consensual adults having sex.
490
00:22:50,452 --> 00:22:52,453
Nothing out of the ordinary.
491
00:22:52,454 --> 00:22:55,915
Two years within
our relationship,
492
00:22:55,916 --> 00:22:58,042
I started seeing the changes
493
00:22:58,043 --> 00:23:00,169
when he invited me to
move into his house.
494
00:23:00,170 --> 00:23:01,712
The way he invited me...
495
00:23:01,713 --> 00:23:03,715
Well, he didn't invite me. He told me.
496
00:23:05,926 --> 00:23:08,928
I went to his tour
in Houston, Texas,
497
00:23:08,929 --> 00:23:11,055
and I'm thinking I'm about
to fly home, and I was told
498
00:23:11,056 --> 00:23:13,140
by one of his assistants, "You
need to go get your clothes,
499
00:23:13,141 --> 00:23:14,558
"'cause you're gonna end up
500
00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:15,976
in the next city without any clothes."
501
00:23:15,977 --> 00:23:18,479
I was like, "Huh? What do you mean?"
502
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,857
So, I got my suitcase
and got on the bus.
503
00:23:22,776 --> 00:23:26,071
And we ended up in Atlanta
at his house, in Johns Creek.
504
00:23:27,906 --> 00:23:29,698
He said, "Welcome home, my babies."
505
00:23:29,699 --> 00:23:31,492
And he opened the door,
506
00:23:31,493 --> 00:23:32,993
and I'm like, "Welcome home?"
507
00:23:32,994 --> 00:23:34,745
So he gave us a
tour of his house,
508
00:23:34,746 --> 00:23:36,664
showed me my bedroom,
shows us all our bedrooms.
509
00:23:36,665 --> 00:23:38,249
And he told, you know,
510
00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:40,877
us to go ahead and go in your
room, put your clothes up.
511
00:23:43,672 --> 00:23:47,716
I didn't start ha-having to ask
R. Kelly for permission for...
512
00:23:47,717 --> 00:23:51,011
to eat and stuff until he
actually moved me in the house.
513
00:23:51,012 --> 00:23:52,888
(door squeaks open)
514
00:23:52,889 --> 00:23:55,100
It was just like a nightmare.
515
00:24:01,064 --> 00:24:03,065
FORMER EMPLOYEE: Robert
has to strategically
516
00:24:03,066 --> 00:24:05,442
spread his money out
and pay certain bills,
517
00:24:05,443 --> 00:24:07,486
uh, because he's lost money.
518
00:24:07,487 --> 00:24:10,948
He don't have the income coming
in like he has previously,
519
00:24:10,949 --> 00:24:14,536
so he did get evicted
from the house in Atlanta.
520
00:24:22,002 --> 00:24:24,378
ASANTE: Just being here
521
00:24:24,379 --> 00:24:26,797
and just seeing this door
is about to bring back
522
00:24:26,798 --> 00:24:28,549
a whole bunch of memories
523
00:24:28,550 --> 00:24:30,885
that I never thought I had to revisit.
524
00:24:30,886 --> 00:24:32,888
(door creaks open)
525
00:24:36,516 --> 00:24:38,518
Wow.
526
00:24:42,314 --> 00:24:44,440
This looks totally different
527
00:24:44,441 --> 00:24:46,151
from when... the last time I was here.
528
00:24:49,154 --> 00:24:52,823
So, upstairs is where
all of the bedrooms are,
529
00:24:52,824 --> 00:24:54,826
other than his bedroom.
530
00:24:58,872 --> 00:25:00,873
Right here,
531
00:25:00,874 --> 00:25:04,793
this is my bedroom right here.
532
00:25:04,794 --> 00:25:07,421
I don't think I want to go in there.
533
00:25:07,422 --> 00:25:11,051
I'm gonna just show you
guys the other bedrooms.
534
00:25:17,557 --> 00:25:19,558
In my opinion,
535
00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:21,810
I feel like this is the wickedest part.
536
00:25:21,811 --> 00:25:23,854
The whole room was black.
537
00:25:23,855 --> 00:25:26,106
He had black curtains.
538
00:25:26,107 --> 00:25:29,193
He had, basically...
Furniture was black.
539
00:25:29,194 --> 00:25:32,696
And right here in the
middle was the actual bed.
540
00:25:32,697 --> 00:25:34,865
And I just really feel like...
541
00:25:34,866 --> 00:25:36,951
this room right here...
542
00:25:36,952 --> 00:25:39,119
(voice breaking): ...besides my bedroom,
543
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:43,374
was, like, the most degrading thing ever
544
00:25:43,375 --> 00:25:45,209
for... I mean, it's, like...
545
00:25:45,210 --> 00:25:47,044
things that happened in here
546
00:25:47,045 --> 00:25:49,713
that you wouldn't even
think that would happen,
547
00:25:49,714 --> 00:25:53,050
but you had to pretty much agree to it.
548
00:25:53,051 --> 00:25:56,637
No matter how demeaning
it felt or seemed,
549
00:25:56,638 --> 00:25:59,098
you had to always just
play along with it.
550
00:25:59,099 --> 00:26:01,267
And it was just, like, you had Rob
551
00:26:01,268 --> 00:26:04,144
pretty much, like, making
you do the unthinkable.
552
00:26:04,145 --> 00:26:06,563
And I just feel like... I
never thought that I would
553
00:26:06,564 --> 00:26:09,984
ever come back to this house
and especially this room.
554
00:26:09,985 --> 00:26:12,152
I never realized
555
00:26:12,153 --> 00:26:15,155
how much this room hurts me.
556
00:26:15,156 --> 00:26:18,158
(sniffles) But
a-actually coming in here,
557
00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:21,246
I don't want to ever
revisit this room again.
558
00:26:22,289 --> 00:26:24,749
(sniffles, crying)
559
00:26:26,668 --> 00:26:28,502
(sniffles)
560
00:26:28,503 --> 00:26:30,504
(crying)
561
00:26:30,505 --> 00:26:32,172
This is just...
562
00:26:32,173 --> 00:26:34,091
(sniffles)
563
00:26:34,092 --> 00:26:37,094
(crying)
564
00:26:37,095 --> 00:26:39,138
(sniffles)
565
00:26:39,139 --> 00:26:42,183
(crying)
566
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:51,191
(e crying)
567
00:26:51,192 --> 00:26:53,319
ASANTE: I remember, at times,
568
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:54,403
coming out of my room. (sniffles)
569
00:26:54,404 --> 00:26:56,697
In order to come down my steps,
570
00:26:56,698 --> 00:26:59,992
I had to beat for him
571
00:26:59,993 --> 00:27:02,578
to actually give me permission.
And when I say "beat,"
572
00:27:02,579 --> 00:27:04,580
- I literally had to do this...
- (stomping)
573
00:27:04,581 --> 00:27:06,248
...for him to hear me.
574
00:27:06,249 --> 00:27:09,918
It's been times where
I've knocked for hours,
575
00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:12,964
and he just did not respond.
576
00:27:16,885 --> 00:27:19,720
A person don't love you if
he's treating you like that.
577
00:27:19,721 --> 00:27:21,972
And I just knew I had to get out.
578
00:27:21,973 --> 00:27:25,352
So I packed my bags and left the house.
579
00:27:28,855 --> 00:27:32,524
Before I actually
met him personally...
580
00:27:32,525 --> 00:27:34,526
I guess because I was just
so much of that fan...
581
00:27:34,527 --> 00:27:37,696
I just couldn't see him
as being that monster.
582
00:27:37,697 --> 00:27:40,783
But now, actually being in that house
583
00:27:40,784 --> 00:27:43,786
and witnessing with my own eyes,
584
00:27:43,787 --> 00:27:47,289
I regret not listening and believing
585
00:27:47,290 --> 00:27:49,416
of the allegations that happened.
586
00:27:49,417 --> 00:27:53,754
There is a difference
between R. Kelly and Robert.
587
00:27:53,755 --> 00:27:58,051
R. Kelly is this fun,
laughing, loving guy.
588
00:27:59,052 --> 00:28:01,304
But Robert is the devil.
589
00:28:06,684 --> 00:28:10,354
ORONIKE ODELEYE: Mute R. Kelly
started in the summer of 2017,
590
00:28:10,355 --> 00:28:13,190
when the allegations
came out about him having
591
00:28:13,191 --> 00:28:14,691
what the media were calling sex cults
592
00:28:14,692 --> 00:28:16,277
in his home here in Atlanta.
593
00:28:18,613 --> 00:28:20,864
The goals of Mute R. Kelly in
the beginning were very humble.
594
00:28:20,865 --> 00:28:23,034
It was, "Let's get
him off Atlanta radio."
595
00:28:25,328 --> 00:28:27,830
"And let's get his
concerts cancelled."
596
00:28:27,831 --> 00:28:29,665
I thought that that would be
a really, kind of, simple ask,
597
00:28:29,666 --> 00:28:31,667
with the 25 years of receipts
598
00:28:31,668 --> 00:28:33,168
that we have against this person.
599
00:28:33,169 --> 00:28:35,587
Um, and that was met
with resounding silence.
600
00:28:35,588 --> 00:28:37,923
Um, you know, the radio
stations would not respond,
601
00:28:37,924 --> 00:28:39,800
would not call me back.
602
00:28:39,801 --> 00:28:42,219
We'd been playing R. Kelly
music and hearing these rumors
603
00:28:42,220 --> 00:28:45,639
and sometimes accusations
of-of R. Kelly.
604
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,643
But radio has always just
concentrated on the music
605
00:28:49,644 --> 00:28:52,146
and not the... and not the background.
606
00:28:52,147 --> 00:28:53,939
And that is our fault.
607
00:28:53,940 --> 00:28:55,941
At the same time, we
discovered that he was...
608
00:28:55,942 --> 00:28:57,527
had a concert coming up in Atlanta.
609
00:28:59,737 --> 00:29:01,530
And so we decided to, um...
610
00:29:01,531 --> 00:29:02,948
to protest.
611
00:29:02,949 --> 00:29:05,242
WOMAN: What'd we come to do?!
612
00:29:05,243 --> 00:29:06,493
PROTESTORS: Mute R. Kelly!
613
00:29:06,494 --> 00:29:08,412
WOMAN: And when we gonna do it?!
614
00:29:08,413 --> 00:29:09,873
PROTESTORS: Now!
615
00:29:10,832 --> 00:29:12,374
ODELEYE: The response
616
00:29:12,375 --> 00:29:16,211
was very, kind of, polarized, I think,
617
00:29:16,212 --> 00:29:17,713
as the black community
is on R. Kelly.
618
00:29:17,714 --> 00:29:19,715
- WOMEN: R. Kelly!
- (laughter)
619
00:29:19,716 --> 00:29:21,592
You know, he's been the same for years.
620
00:29:21,593 --> 00:29:22,801
Who are we to judge?
621
00:29:22,802 --> 00:29:25,471
The protestors don't affect anything.
622
00:29:25,472 --> 00:29:27,598
ODELEYE: And then, on the
other hand, people are like,
623
00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:29,266
"Hallelujah, finally,
somebody's doing something."
624
00:29:29,267 --> 00:29:30,684
And from there,
625
00:29:30,685 --> 00:29:32,519
people started reaching
us out, like, "Hey,
626
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:33,896
he's coming to Dallas."
627
00:29:33,897 --> 00:29:35,022
"He's coming to Detroit."
628
00:29:35,023 --> 00:29:36,024
"What can we do?"
629
00:29:38,109 --> 00:29:39,526
They fought back and said,
630
00:29:39,527 --> 00:29:41,696
"We do not want him performing here."
631
00:29:43,531 --> 00:29:45,365
- WOMAN: Shame on you!
- PROTESTORS: Shame on you!
632
00:29:45,366 --> 00:29:47,534
- WOMAN: Shame on you!
- Shame on you!
633
00:29:47,535 --> 00:29:49,453
- WOMAN: Black girls'...
- Black girls'...
634
00:29:49,454 --> 00:29:51,747
- WOMAN: ...lives matter!
- ...lives matter!
635
00:29:51,748 --> 00:29:53,790
I am a-a R. Kelly fan.
636
00:29:53,791 --> 00:29:55,459
There's two sides to every story.
637
00:29:55,460 --> 00:29:56,543
FAN: I'm here for the music
638
00:29:56,544 --> 00:29:57,586
and nothing else.
639
00:29:57,587 --> 00:29:59,421
And so we started to organize
640
00:29:59,422 --> 00:30:01,548
the people locally in those towns,
641
00:30:01,549 --> 00:30:03,634
to hold protests,
642
00:30:03,635 --> 00:30:05,553
to ask venues to cancel it.
643
00:30:06,638 --> 00:30:08,764
We've held seven protests
644
00:30:08,765 --> 00:30:10,641
in cities around the country.
645
00:30:10,642 --> 00:30:11,892
R. Kelly may have to find
646
00:30:11,893 --> 00:30:14,311
a new spot to hold
his next concert.
647
00:30:14,312 --> 00:30:16,312
And it's, you know, just
grown and grown and grown.
648
00:30:17,565 --> 00:30:20,192
REPORTER: Kelly says he
and his attorneys plan
649
00:30:20,193 --> 00:30:22,027
to get to the bottom
of the cancellation
650
00:30:22,028 --> 00:30:23,863
of his performance.
651
00:30:24,906 --> 00:30:27,074
BURKE: In 2017,
652
00:30:27,075 --> 00:30:29,493
these two big stories
come out about R. Kelly,
653
00:30:29,494 --> 00:30:33,288
around him holding
the girls captive.
654
00:30:33,289 --> 00:30:35,040
And it falls right into
this continuum of stories
655
00:30:35,041 --> 00:30:37,459
that have come out
around sexual misconduct,
656
00:30:37,460 --> 00:30:40,254
sexual harassment in
mainstream industries.
657
00:30:40,255 --> 00:30:42,047
And in September, we have the huge
658
00:30:42,048 --> 00:30:43,632
Harvey Weinstein articles drop,
659
00:30:43,633 --> 00:30:45,801
which propelled this
whole movement forward.
660
00:30:45,802 --> 00:30:48,929
And R. Kelly doesn't
get included in that.
661
00:30:48,930 --> 00:30:51,014
Jerhonda Pace broke her
NDA around R. Kelly,
662
00:30:51,015 --> 00:30:53,559
and I wanted to
shine light on that
663
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,561
and continue to keep the
conversation about R. Kelly
664
00:30:55,562 --> 00:30:58,814
and the accusations against
him in the public eye.
665
00:30:58,815 --> 00:31:01,650
- Like, I was 16. I didn't know...
- MAI: Were you scared? What was
666
00:31:01,651 --> 00:31:03,610
- running through your head?
- Yeah, how were you feeling when all that was happening?
667
00:31:03,611 --> 00:31:06,405
Very frightened. And,
like, he would slap you
668
00:31:06,406 --> 00:31:10,242
in your face, and he would
physically, like, harm you.
669
00:31:10,243 --> 00:31:13,704
There are six women that
R. Kelly... allegedly...
670
00:31:13,705 --> 00:31:16,873
lives with and controls them.
671
00:31:16,874 --> 00:31:19,042
NELSON: When usually one
person comes forward,
672
00:31:19,043 --> 00:31:21,295
- the door kind of opens. We
saw this with ♪MeToo. -Mm-hmm.
673
00:31:21,296 --> 00:31:23,714
NELSON: The question
here is why does R. Kelly
674
00:31:23,715 --> 00:31:26,341
always survive this? And
the second biggest question
675
00:31:26,342 --> 00:31:29,469
is why is the black community
complicit in silence?
676
00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:32,889
If them kids were Caucasian young women,
677
00:31:32,890 --> 00:31:36,727
we would not be going through this.
678
00:31:36,728 --> 00:31:39,479
The most disrespected woman
in America, historically,
679
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,315
has always been the black woman.
680
00:31:41,316 --> 00:31:44,067
You know, I always say, if you
want to get away with murder,
681
00:31:44,068 --> 00:31:45,569
kill a black rapper.
682
00:31:45,570 --> 00:31:46,987
If you want to get away
with sexual assault,
683
00:31:46,988 --> 00:31:49,448
assault a young black girl.
684
00:31:49,449 --> 00:31:53,035
If R. Kelly had been doing this
to white women... oh, my God.
685
00:31:53,036 --> 00:31:54,828
The fact that it's
mostly young black girls
686
00:31:54,829 --> 00:31:58,248
that he preys on, simply nobody cares.
687
00:31:58,249 --> 00:32:01,168
BURKE: These
families came forward
688
00:32:01,169 --> 00:32:04,504
and were making desperate pleas
to get their children back,
689
00:32:04,505 --> 00:32:06,465
to get their-their daughters back home
690
00:32:06,466 --> 00:32:08,342
and away from R. Kelly.
691
00:32:08,343 --> 00:32:12,804
We've been watching them since
they came forward in 2017,
692
00:32:12,805 --> 00:32:15,265
tried various attempts
to get media attention,
693
00:32:15,266 --> 00:32:16,892
but it doesn't take hold.
694
00:32:16,893 --> 00:32:19,603
And again, I think that
goes back into this idea that
695
00:32:19,604 --> 00:32:21,980
black girls don't matter.
696
00:32:21,981 --> 00:32:24,066
They don't matter enough.
697
00:32:24,067 --> 00:32:26,151
And it's proven
over and over again.
698
00:32:26,152 --> 00:32:30,572
We still socially don't perceive
young black women as innocent,
699
00:32:30,573 --> 00:32:33,492
as deserving of protection;
somehow it's their fault.
700
00:32:33,493 --> 00:32:35,577
When the reality is that
the problem isn't the girls,
701
00:32:35,578 --> 00:32:38,830
the problem is the predators.
702
00:32:38,831 --> 00:32:40,666
The way that we in society talk about
703
00:32:40,667 --> 00:32:42,501
and think about sexual
violence, a lot of times
704
00:32:42,502 --> 00:32:44,252
it puts the onus on the victim.
705
00:32:44,253 --> 00:32:48,590
People are brainwashed into
thinking that they have
706
00:32:48,591 --> 00:32:50,676
some complicity in
their own abuse.
707
00:32:50,677 --> 00:32:54,888
And so they don't come forward
because of the deep shame,
708
00:32:54,889 --> 00:32:57,224
the fear of being ostracized
in their community.
709
00:32:57,225 --> 00:32:58,475
There are all these different factors
710
00:32:58,476 --> 00:32:59,768
that allow people to stay silent.
711
00:32:59,769 --> 00:33:01,687
ASANTE: We're not
blaming R. Kelly
712
00:33:01,688 --> 00:33:02,813
for what he's doing,
713
00:33:02,814 --> 00:33:04,940
we're blaming each other.
714
00:33:04,941 --> 00:33:07,317
When you have fans like myself,
715
00:33:07,318 --> 00:33:09,486
when I was that fan, that die-hard fan,
716
00:33:09,487 --> 00:33:11,446
and I just felt like, "Oh,
these girls are lying."
717
00:33:11,447 --> 00:33:13,365
DR. JODY ADEWALE:
People who stand up
718
00:33:13,366 --> 00:33:16,660
and say, "I've been victimized.
I've been sexually abused,"
719
00:33:16,661 --> 00:33:21,289
we, as-as a society, tend
to meet it with skepticism.
720
00:33:21,290 --> 00:33:24,376
Because there have been
cases where people have lied.
721
00:33:24,377 --> 00:33:28,046
What do these young ladies
have to gain from lying?
722
00:33:28,047 --> 00:33:29,965
Oh, it's not like R. Kelly
is some rich billionaire
723
00:33:29,966 --> 00:33:32,300
that's just out here
cutting checks to everybody.
724
00:33:32,301 --> 00:33:33,552
It seems to me like some
of these young ladies
725
00:33:33,553 --> 00:33:35,178
just want to see the truth.
726
00:33:35,179 --> 00:33:37,472
And I think with the whole
Time's Up/Me Too movement,
727
00:33:37,473 --> 00:33:39,266
and they see everybody else, you know,
728
00:33:39,267 --> 00:33:42,894
getting their careers cancelled
and people getting convicted,
729
00:33:42,895 --> 00:33:44,771
they're like, "Yo, well,
we want some justice, too.
730
00:33:44,772 --> 00:33:47,274
"Can we use some of this
Time's Up/Me Too movement energy
731
00:33:47,275 --> 00:33:49,317
to get-get him, get him gone?"
732
00:33:49,318 --> 00:33:52,112
R. Kelly's victims, nobody
just cares about the...
733
00:33:52,113 --> 00:33:54,698
the black women that speak out,
especially the black community.
734
00:33:54,699 --> 00:33:57,993
It's the black community
that bashes the black women
735
00:33:57,994 --> 00:33:59,661
that speak out about abuse.
736
00:33:59,662 --> 00:34:01,997
ODELEYE: You have this,
you know, powerful person
737
00:34:01,998 --> 00:34:05,000
that's beloved in the
African-American community.
738
00:34:05,001 --> 00:34:07,461
And then you have a victim
that nobody cares about.
739
00:34:07,462 --> 00:34:11,298
Um, and the greater society
perpetuates stereotypes
740
00:34:11,299 --> 00:34:14,301
about black women that
internally you start to believe.
741
00:34:14,302 --> 00:34:16,595
We'll believe it if
it's a convenient excuse
742
00:34:16,596 --> 00:34:20,098
not to have to deal with
the reality of R. Kelly,
743
00:34:20,099 --> 00:34:23,269
and how we've been supporting
and enabling him for decades.
744
00:34:26,147 --> 00:34:28,356
NORAH O'DONNELL: A woman
is suing singer-songwriter
745
00:34:28,357 --> 00:34:30,650
R. Kelly for allegedly
failing to disclose
746
00:34:30,651 --> 00:34:32,402
a sexually transmitted disease.
747
00:34:32,403 --> 00:34:34,697
She also accuses him of sexual battery.
748
00:34:41,078 --> 00:34:43,038
REPORTER 4: This woman, Faith
Rodgers, says that she was
749
00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:46,333
in a relationship with
R. Kelly when she was 19
750
00:34:46,334 --> 00:34:48,419
for nearly a year before leaving.
751
00:34:50,463 --> 00:34:54,966
My name is Faith, and I met
R. Kelly in March of 2017.
752
00:34:54,967 --> 00:34:57,344
He kind of had, like, a goofiness to him
753
00:34:57,345 --> 00:34:59,180
when I initially met him.
754
00:35:03,142 --> 00:35:06,728
I knew he was older, but
when he gave me his number,
755
00:35:06,729 --> 00:35:08,605
I wasn't thinking
756
00:35:08,606 --> 00:35:11,900
things would be where they
are, um, almost a year later.
757
00:35:11,901 --> 00:35:14,277
He really was persistent,
and he would call me,
758
00:35:14,278 --> 00:35:17,322
and we would just talk
about regular things.
759
00:35:17,323 --> 00:35:19,032
I was flattered.
760
00:35:19,033 --> 00:35:24,913
Nothing ever came off
as... negative to me
761
00:35:24,914 --> 00:35:26,791
in our conversations in the beginning.
762
00:35:28,543 --> 00:35:35,257
So, the next time I saw R.
Kelly was in May of 2017.
763
00:35:35,258 --> 00:35:38,510
I flew to New York for a show.
764
00:35:38,511 --> 00:35:40,595
(crowd cheering)
765
00:35:40,596 --> 00:35:43,890
So, after the show, I
went back to the room,
766
00:35:43,891 --> 00:35:47,811
ended up falling
asleep. At 6:00 a.m.,
767
00:35:47,812 --> 00:35:49,145
pounding at the door.
768
00:35:49,146 --> 00:35:51,399
Pounding, not knocking.
He's pounding at the door.
769
00:35:53,442 --> 00:35:55,151
Our conversations
had been so great,
770
00:35:55,152 --> 00:35:57,029
I expected the first
encounter to go different.
771
00:35:59,323 --> 00:36:01,992
It was consensual,
but it was consented
772
00:36:01,993 --> 00:36:03,577
by intimidation.
773
00:36:03,578 --> 00:36:08,206
I felt just, like,
something I had to do,
774
00:36:08,207 --> 00:36:09,457
not that I wanted to do,
775
00:36:09,458 --> 00:36:12,043
but I had to do because it was R. Kelly.
776
00:36:12,044 --> 00:36:15,338
And who are you to tell R. Kelly no?
777
00:36:15,339 --> 00:36:19,926
He's the type of person...
He's very demanding.
778
00:36:19,927 --> 00:36:22,178
He's like a director,
and this is his movie.
779
00:36:22,179 --> 00:36:25,432
So, he's-he's like, "Do you like it?"
780
00:36:25,433 --> 00:36:26,975
And I'm not responding.
781
00:36:26,976 --> 00:36:28,685
And he's like, "Tell Daddy you like it."
782
00:36:28,686 --> 00:36:30,812
And I'm still not responding.
783
00:36:30,813 --> 00:36:33,732
And he's like, "We need to
work on your moaning skills."
784
00:36:33,733 --> 00:36:36,818
So, right away, he's critiquing me.
785
00:36:36,819 --> 00:36:41,865
And the whole time, you know,
he's-he's saying really...
786
00:36:41,866 --> 00:36:44,409
perverted things, almost.
787
00:36:44,410 --> 00:36:47,078
Um, he's like, "Young...
young tight (bleep),"
788
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:48,371
and things like that.
789
00:36:48,372 --> 00:36:50,832
And so, eventually, he stops.
790
00:36:50,833 --> 00:36:55,045
And I look back, and there's an iPad.
791
00:36:55,046 --> 00:36:57,380
And I just turn my head away, you know.
792
00:36:57,381 --> 00:36:59,091
I didn't want my face to be on it.
793
00:37:05,723 --> 00:37:08,433
Two months went by.
794
00:37:08,434 --> 00:37:14,356
The BuzzFeed thing about the
harem, that came out in July.
795
00:37:14,357 --> 00:37:19,986
I knew he was intimidating, um,
but these allegations came out.
796
00:37:19,987 --> 00:37:22,447
And they sounded so extreme.
797
00:37:22,448 --> 00:37:24,324
How could he kidnap somebody?
798
00:37:24,325 --> 00:37:27,494
How could he abuse
somebody and beat them?
799
00:37:27,495 --> 00:37:29,079
It was just twisted.
800
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,289
So I was really sitting there, confused.
801
00:37:31,290 --> 00:37:34,084
The only conversation we
had about it was him saying,
802
00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:36,504
"It's not true." That these were lies.
803
00:37:40,967 --> 00:37:45,261
Closer to the end of
the year, December,
804
00:37:45,262 --> 00:37:48,223
I had flown down for
his concert in Dallas.
805
00:37:48,224 --> 00:37:49,975
We were in a hotel room.
806
00:37:49,976 --> 00:37:53,687
He kind of had gone on
this emotional spiel,
807
00:37:53,688 --> 00:37:56,147
you know, um, about life.
808
00:37:56,148 --> 00:37:59,943
And then he revealed
to me about "the girls."
809
00:37:59,944 --> 00:38:01,736
He described them to be a family.
810
00:38:01,737 --> 00:38:03,780
He made it seem like a family thing.
811
00:38:03,781 --> 00:38:05,699
Um, "These are women that I raise.
812
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:07,492
"Some have been with me for 15 years.
813
00:38:07,493 --> 00:38:09,244
Some of them have been
with me for five years."
814
00:38:09,245 --> 00:38:10,996
So he's sitting there and he's thinking,
815
00:38:10,997 --> 00:38:12,247
and I can see him thinking 'cause he,
816
00:38:12,248 --> 00:38:13,999
you know, he's like this.
817
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,710
So I'm like, "What is he
about to do? Or ask me to do?"
818
00:38:16,711 --> 00:38:18,670
He makes a phone call, and he's like,
819
00:38:18,671 --> 00:38:21,006
"Get dressed, we're coming downstairs."
820
00:38:21,007 --> 00:38:23,341
So I'm like, "Who are we going to see?"
821
00:38:23,342 --> 00:38:26,428
We go downstairs,
822
00:38:26,429 --> 00:38:28,472
and, um, he opens the door.
823
00:38:32,601 --> 00:38:34,812
And it's the girl I saw
in the TMZ stuff.
824
00:38:36,355 --> 00:38:38,523
I'm like, "Oh.
825
00:38:38,524 --> 00:38:42,695
She's the girl that her parents
said that she was kidnapped."
826
00:38:56,625 --> 00:38:58,668
FAITH: We were in a hotel room.
827
00:38:58,669 --> 00:39:01,671
R. Kelly, he opens the door.
828
00:39:01,672 --> 00:39:05,175
And it's the girl I saw
in the TMZ stuff.
829
00:39:05,176 --> 00:39:07,719
I'm like, "Oh. She's the girl
830
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:10,847
that her parents said
that she was kidnapped."
831
00:39:10,848 --> 00:39:14,142
She literally, like, jumped
up to him like a puppy,
832
00:39:14,143 --> 00:39:16,437
and kisses him on the mouth.
833
00:39:18,773 --> 00:39:22,901
Seeing Joycelyn do exactly
what he told her to do,
834
00:39:22,902 --> 00:39:24,778
she's not acting like a real person.
835
00:39:24,779 --> 00:39:26,571
She's acting like a robot.
836
00:39:26,572 --> 00:39:28,615
Everything he said was so funny.
837
00:39:28,616 --> 00:39:32,410
Or, you know, she was right
there, just like, in awe of him.
838
00:39:32,411 --> 00:39:34,329
And it's like, but when he would leave,
839
00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:36,040
she would just be numb.
840
00:39:38,751 --> 00:39:41,628
I wouldn't say she was kidnapped.
841
00:39:41,629 --> 00:39:43,797
Brainwashed? Yes, absolutely.
842
00:39:43,798 --> 00:39:46,800
ADEWALE: Our clinical
term for brainwashing
843
00:39:46,801 --> 00:39:48,259
is psychological manipulation.
844
00:39:48,260 --> 00:39:51,179
There's nothing stopping
you from leaving,
845
00:39:51,180 --> 00:39:54,015
but an individual might stay
because he or she might believe,
846
00:39:54,016 --> 00:39:55,456
"I can't get out of this situation."
847
00:39:59,814 --> 00:40:02,107
FAITH: When I walked
away from the situation,
848
00:40:02,108 --> 00:40:06,402
I didn't walk away because
things had gotten bad
849
00:40:06,403 --> 00:40:08,655
and, you know, he-he didn't
want to talk to me. No.
850
00:40:08,656 --> 00:40:11,825
I had made a conscious
decision that I wasn't gonna
851
00:40:11,826 --> 00:40:16,037
involve myself with someone
who's doing this to young girls,
852
00:40:16,038 --> 00:40:18,373
and women, because that's not who I am.
853
00:40:18,374 --> 00:40:20,125
That's not what I stand for.
854
00:40:20,126 --> 00:40:23,962
I had cut ties with
him in February.
855
00:40:23,963 --> 00:40:26,089
And I had no intentions
on getting back with him.
856
00:40:26,090 --> 00:40:27,465
I just wanted to move on.
857
00:40:27,466 --> 00:40:31,845
So after it was
over and done with,
858
00:40:31,846 --> 00:40:34,806
I made the decision to
reach out to the Savages.
859
00:40:34,807 --> 00:40:38,017
I went to tell them
about how it went
860
00:40:38,018 --> 00:40:40,061
with me meeting their
daughter Joycelyn.
861
00:40:40,062 --> 00:40:43,731
FAITH (over phone): When I...
when I did meet her, um...
862
00:40:43,732 --> 00:40:46,192
like, she opened the door and like,
863
00:40:46,193 --> 00:40:48,111
he, like, looked at me
and he looked at her.
864
00:40:48,112 --> 00:40:50,864
And he was like, "I want y'all
to get to know each other."
865
00:40:50,865 --> 00:40:52,866
- Mm.
- (laughs): So, uh...
866
00:40:52,867 --> 00:40:54,951
I was just like, "Okay."
867
00:40:54,952 --> 00:40:58,288
Because, you know, like seeing
all that stuff on the news,
868
00:40:58,289 --> 00:41:01,416
then, like, seeing her video
and then seeing her in person,
869
00:41:01,417 --> 00:41:04,836
like, it all was just really, like, wow.
870
00:41:04,837 --> 00:41:07,172
Like, this is real life.
871
00:41:07,173 --> 00:41:10,049
Right. I mean, it's not
a game... it's not a joke.
872
00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:11,634
If you're... if you were around
long enough, he would have
873
00:41:11,635 --> 00:41:13,845
cut you off from your father
and your entire family.
874
00:41:13,846 --> 00:41:15,806
And your old friends and everything.
875
00:41:16,974 --> 00:41:20,852
(sighs)
876
00:41:20,853 --> 00:41:22,604
FAITH: Of course they
were upset, you know?
877
00:41:22,605 --> 00:41:24,022
But they were like, "Thank you
878
00:41:24,023 --> 00:41:26,232
for telling us, we haven't seen her."
879
00:41:26,233 --> 00:41:27,984
And the fact that they had to ask me,
880
00:41:27,985 --> 00:41:30,778
"Well, what does she look
like? Was she skinnier?"
881
00:41:30,779 --> 00:41:32,113
Things like that, you
shouldn't have to ask
882
00:41:32,114 --> 00:41:33,698
about your own child.
883
00:41:33,699 --> 00:41:35,742
So that hit home for me,
and I couldn't imagine
884
00:41:35,743 --> 00:41:38,037
what my parents would
feel like if that were me.
885
00:41:39,705 --> 00:41:42,123
So from there, they
begin to tell me
886
00:41:42,124 --> 00:41:44,542
more disturbing
things about R. Kelly.
887
00:41:44,543 --> 00:41:46,127
And Tim Savage,
888
00:41:46,128 --> 00:41:48,087
he asked me if I had
been checked for STDs
889
00:41:48,088 --> 00:41:49,589
since I've been with him.
890
00:41:49,590 --> 00:41:52,050
And I'm like, "Why?" and he's like,
891
00:41:52,051 --> 00:41:55,386
"I know for a fact my
daughter has an incurable STD.
892
00:41:55,387 --> 00:41:57,598
And she got it from R. Kelly."
893
00:42:02,436 --> 00:42:05,647
After I reached
out to the Savages,
894
00:42:05,648 --> 00:42:07,106
I went and got a blood test
895
00:42:07,107 --> 00:42:09,400
and it came back positive
896
00:42:09,401 --> 00:42:11,820
for herpes.
897
00:42:13,530 --> 00:42:17,492
My initial reaction:
I wasn't angry at him.
898
00:42:17,493 --> 00:42:19,202
I was angry at myself.
899
00:42:19,203 --> 00:42:21,829
And I had already came to
a point where I decided,
900
00:42:21,830 --> 00:42:23,748
you know, I was done with him.
901
00:42:23,749 --> 00:42:26,459
And then, on the other
hand, I was like,
902
00:42:26,460 --> 00:42:29,295
"If it were somebody in my city
903
00:42:29,296 --> 00:42:31,923
"and they gave me a-an
STD, I would address it.
904
00:42:31,924 --> 00:42:36,094
I would pretty much make sure
they were held accountable."
905
00:42:36,095 --> 00:42:38,888
So why not hold him
906
00:42:38,889 --> 00:42:42,558
on the same platform?
907
00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:46,479
I knew I had to spread the word.
908
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,314
I wasn't gonna wait
909
00:42:48,315 --> 00:42:50,984
ten or 20 years to come out
and say he did that to me.
910
00:42:50,985 --> 00:42:52,860
I was gonna come out now.
911
00:42:52,861 --> 00:42:55,697
NEWS REPORTER: A young woman
claimed singer R. Kelly
912
00:42:55,698 --> 00:42:58,157
intentionally gave her an STD,
913
00:42:58,158 --> 00:43:00,743
and now Dallas police
are investigating.
914
00:43:00,744 --> 00:43:02,745
When Mr. Kelly, who
was infested with her...
915
00:43:02,746 --> 00:43:05,790
uh, infected with herpes,
engaged in sexual conduct
916
00:43:05,791 --> 00:43:08,167
with my client without
informing him of her status...
917
00:43:08,168 --> 00:43:10,545
of his status, he committed a crime.
918
00:43:10,546 --> 00:43:14,465
TOURE: So much evidence has
been on the table for so long,
919
00:43:14,466 --> 00:43:16,134
and it seems like, in
the last two years,
920
00:43:16,135 --> 00:43:20,930
there's been, like, even
more momentum of, like,
921
00:43:20,931 --> 00:43:24,017
"Whoa, this sex cult thing,"
like, "Whoa, this other story.
922
00:43:24,018 --> 00:43:25,935
Whoa, this woman he gave an STD to."
923
00:43:25,936 --> 00:43:29,022
Why is RCA Records still
in business with him?
924
00:43:29,023 --> 00:43:30,648
R. Kelly is not really
925
00:43:30,649 --> 00:43:33,109
an active recording
artist right now.
926
00:43:33,110 --> 00:43:35,111
He's not on the roster.
927
00:43:35,112 --> 00:43:36,904
RCA does not expect
928
00:43:36,905 --> 00:43:39,449
a new album from him
this year or next year.
929
00:43:39,450 --> 00:43:42,076
There are a lot of music
business institutions
930
00:43:42,077 --> 00:43:45,413
that we need to look at to
say, "Why are you continuing
931
00:43:45,414 --> 00:43:47,290
to support this after all this time?"
932
00:43:47,291 --> 00:43:50,543
BURKE: There were
a series of events
933
00:43:50,544 --> 00:43:52,128
in the spring that really amplified
934
00:43:52,129 --> 00:43:53,963
the work around R. Kelly.
935
00:43:53,964 --> 00:43:55,882
(audience cheering)
936
00:43:55,883 --> 00:43:57,717
We really haven't had
937
00:43:57,718 --> 00:43:59,886
a person in hip-hop who
just straight-out said,
938
00:43:59,887 --> 00:44:01,512
"He's guilty."
939
00:44:01,513 --> 00:44:03,931
So Vince Staples at
Coachella makes this statement
940
00:44:03,932 --> 00:44:07,393
about R. Kelly being a
pedophile and it goes viral.
941
00:44:07,394 --> 00:44:09,187
R. Kelly never went to jail and
he's a (bleep) child molester.
942
00:44:09,188 --> 00:44:11,647
- Okay, let's never talk about R....
- He's a child molester.
943
00:44:11,648 --> 00:44:14,067
I'm a good person, all right?
R. Kelly is a piece of (bleep).
944
00:44:14,068 --> 00:44:16,444
So, if a piece of (bleep)
R. Kelly didn't go to jail
945
00:44:16,445 --> 00:44:18,196
for being a child molester
and peeing on people
946
00:44:18,197 --> 00:44:20,198
and having a human
trafficking ring in Atlanta,
947
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:21,824
then I'll be all right.
948
00:44:21,825 --> 00:44:23,826
So we're seeing people now starting to,
949
00:44:23,827 --> 00:44:26,454
to kind of get on board
and that tide is turning.
950
00:44:26,455 --> 00:44:29,582
Making a song with R.
Kelly was a mistake.
951
00:44:29,583 --> 00:44:33,795
♪ Turn that star up in paradise... ♪
952
00:44:33,796 --> 00:44:38,591
I didn't value the
accusers' stories, like...
953
00:44:38,592 --> 00:44:41,135
- Hmm.
- Because they were blackmailing him.
954
00:44:41,136 --> 00:44:42,720
I made a mistake.
955
00:44:42,721 --> 00:44:44,555
CHARLAMAGNE THA GOD:
I can't even exert
956
00:44:44,556 --> 00:44:47,392
any more energy telling y'all
how-how trash R. Kelly is.
957
00:44:47,393 --> 00:44:49,602
I've been saying R.
Kelly is trash for years.
958
00:44:49,603 --> 00:44:51,729
I-I think R. Kelly
is on everybody's, uh,
959
00:44:51,730 --> 00:44:53,606
permanently cancelled list.
960
00:44:53,607 --> 00:44:55,149
All of this is wrong.
961
00:44:55,150 --> 00:44:57,527
R. Kelly has a sickness. (chuckles)
962
00:44:57,528 --> 00:44:59,779
Yes, I believe R.
Kelly's a dirtbag scumbag,
963
00:44:59,780 --> 00:45:01,781
and somebody should press charges
964
00:45:01,782 --> 00:45:03,991
and try to prosecute again.
965
00:45:03,992 --> 00:45:07,078
Press charges, let's go! Ride out!
966
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:10,998
BURKE: Tom Joyner is the
Black America Radio Host.
967
00:45:10,999 --> 00:45:13,084
He has hundreds
968
00:45:13,085 --> 00:45:15,628
of syndicated radio
stations around the country.
969
00:45:15,629 --> 00:45:18,047
He had continued to
play his music and so,
970
00:45:18,048 --> 00:45:20,466
it felt to me like there
was an... huge support
971
00:45:20,467 --> 00:45:22,927
from Tom Joyner around R. Kelly.
972
00:45:22,928 --> 00:45:24,929
We need the
Tom Joyner Morning Show
973
00:45:24,930 --> 00:45:27,348
- to stop supporting R. Kelly.
-TOM JOYNER: You got it.
974
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:29,267
Yeah, I won't play any
more R. Kelly music.
975
00:45:29,268 --> 00:45:30,643
And I was actually shocked. (chuckles)
976
00:45:30,644 --> 00:45:32,270
I was shocked.
977
00:45:32,271 --> 00:45:34,480
Pleasantly, you
know, it's clearly...
978
00:45:34,481 --> 00:45:36,482
but, it's... that's a big deal.
979
00:45:36,483 --> 00:45:37,942
It felt like a victory.
980
00:45:37,943 --> 00:45:39,569
Radio host like Tom Joyner,
981
00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:41,320
um, say "We're not
gonna play him anymore,"
982
00:45:41,321 --> 00:45:44,907
and this is at the core of,
you know, the R. Kelly audience
983
00:45:44,908 --> 00:45:46,826
and the type of stations
that would play him.
984
00:45:46,827 --> 00:45:49,662
Um, this is highly significant.
985
00:45:49,663 --> 00:45:52,415
ANN POWERS: I think Mute
R. Kelly is a great example
986
00:45:52,416 --> 00:45:55,960
of the viral way that
activism is happening
987
00:45:55,961 --> 00:46:00,132
around Me Too and these
issues in the music industry.
988
00:46:02,342 --> 00:46:05,553
BURKE: May of 2018,
989
00:46:05,554 --> 00:46:09,056
the Women of Color and Time's
Up got together and wrote
990
00:46:09,057 --> 00:46:10,850
this public letter and it went viral.
991
00:46:10,851 --> 00:46:12,393
WENDY WILLIAMS: There's a group
992
00:46:12,394 --> 00:46:17,231
of really powerful black
women, including: Shonda Rhimes,
993
00:46:17,232 --> 00:46:21,235
Eva Longoria, Ava DuVernay,
Kerry Washington, Viola Davis.
994
00:46:21,236 --> 00:46:23,321
They've all announced this campaign
995
00:46:23,322 --> 00:46:24,739
that they're on... behind:
996
00:46:24,740 --> 00:46:27,158
- Mute R. Kelly.
- (cheering)
997
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:28,784
Other celebrities,
non-black celebrities,
998
00:46:28,785 --> 00:46:30,162
who also amplified it.
999
00:46:36,043 --> 00:46:37,628
So, that's huge.
1000
00:46:39,463 --> 00:46:41,088
ORONIKE: The Me Too movement
and Time's Up movement
1001
00:46:41,089 --> 00:46:43,007
coming behind the
Mute R. Kelly movement
1002
00:46:43,008 --> 00:46:46,260
have really kind of helped
push that, you know, forward
1003
00:46:46,261 --> 00:46:47,970
in the national consciousness.
1004
00:46:47,971 --> 00:46:50,181
It's one thing for Oronike to say,
1005
00:46:50,182 --> 00:46:51,766
"You should stop listening to R. Kelly."
1006
00:46:51,767 --> 00:46:54,435
It's another thing for Ava DuVernay.
1007
00:46:54,436 --> 00:46:58,272
And if John Legend coming
out, and Questlove coming out?
1008
00:46:58,273 --> 00:47:00,733
Other men who have come
out, that makes people think
1009
00:47:00,734 --> 00:47:02,568
about it in a different
kind of a way.
1010
00:47:02,569 --> 00:47:04,612
And the response we got from
it was just overwhelming.
1011
00:47:04,613 --> 00:47:07,031
I mean, it just... people
who had never heard of it,
1012
00:47:07,032 --> 00:47:09,158
they thought we started
this movement yesterday.
1013
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:11,786
And as the movement
has ex... has expanded,
1014
00:47:11,787 --> 00:47:14,413
people have kind of
dictated where it's going.
1015
00:47:14,414 --> 00:47:17,875
They said to us, you know,
"Hey, what about streaming?
1016
00:47:17,876 --> 00:47:20,419
You guys should go after streaming."
1017
00:47:20,420 --> 00:47:23,256
Streaming service Spotify
is removing R. Kelly's music
1018
00:47:23,257 --> 00:47:25,466
from its playlists and recommendations.
1019
00:47:25,467 --> 00:47:28,094
It's just the latest in the
growing backlash against Kelly,
1020
00:47:28,095 --> 00:47:31,222
who's been accused of sexual
misconduct for decades.
1021
00:47:31,223 --> 00:47:32,390
ORONIKE: Spotify
saying, basically,
1022
00:47:32,391 --> 00:47:33,808
they're gonna,
like, downgrade him,
1023
00:47:33,809 --> 00:47:35,851
so they're no longer going to put him
1024
00:47:35,852 --> 00:47:37,520
on curated playlists
or sponsored playlists,
1025
00:47:37,521 --> 00:47:38,730
is important.
1026
00:47:47,364 --> 00:47:49,782
NEWS ANCHOR: R. Kelly
apologizes to fans
1027
00:47:49,783 --> 00:47:52,868
after a Chicago concert
is abruptly cancelled.
1028
00:47:52,869 --> 00:47:56,163
Promoters opted to pull
Kelly out of the lineup
1029
00:47:56,164 --> 00:47:58,749
that included Xscap3
and Lyfe Jennings.
1030
00:47:58,750 --> 00:48:00,376
ORONIKE: To get Chicago to say,
1031
00:48:00,377 --> 00:48:02,837
"We don't want you
here. You can't perform,"
1032
00:48:02,838 --> 00:48:05,256
was just an amazing victory.
I mean, I-I was floored
1033
00:48:05,257 --> 00:48:07,466
when I heard that they
decided to cancel that concert,
1034
00:48:07,467 --> 00:48:09,302
but it was so important.
1035
00:48:09,303 --> 00:48:10,636
Yo, what's up, y'all?
1036
00:48:10,637 --> 00:48:12,805
This ya boy, Kells, man, and, uh...
1037
00:48:12,806 --> 00:48:15,016
I don't know why they
cancelled the show.
1038
00:48:15,017 --> 00:48:17,226
Um, I never heard of
a show being cancelled
1039
00:48:17,227 --> 00:48:19,020
because of rumors.
1040
00:48:19,021 --> 00:48:20,646
Don't put that on me. You know?
1041
00:48:20,647 --> 00:48:22,106
That ain't on me, all right?
1042
00:48:22,107 --> 00:48:24,025
The more we talk about this,
1043
00:48:24,026 --> 00:48:28,779
the more we see what R. Kelly
has been doing historically,
1044
00:48:28,780 --> 00:48:30,281
over and over and over again.
1045
00:48:30,282 --> 00:48:33,326
And then all these
cases that he's settled.
1046
00:48:33,327 --> 00:48:35,953
We have to keep
pushing, and keep pushing
1047
00:48:35,954 --> 00:48:39,707
till we get some indictments,
you know? Keep pushing.
1048
00:48:39,708 --> 00:48:42,585
For some reason, he has...
he is... he's Teflon.
1049
00:48:42,586 --> 00:48:44,587
And I don't get that.
1050
00:48:44,588 --> 00:48:46,797
I don't get why the justice system
1051
00:48:46,798 --> 00:48:49,759
can't bring him to justice.
1052
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,220
LEGEND: He is a serial abuser
1053
00:48:53,221 --> 00:48:56,515
that has, uh, gotten away
with it for far too long.
1054
00:48:56,516 --> 00:48:58,934
And I think time's up for R. Kelly.
1055
00:48:58,935 --> 00:49:01,520
Um, being accepted by
the entertainment industry
1056
00:49:01,521 --> 00:49:04,148
a-and just kind of allowed to, uh,
1057
00:49:04,149 --> 00:49:06,609
make money and be treated
as though he didn't do
1058
00:49:06,610 --> 00:49:10,446
all these terrible things,
um, time's up for that.
1059
00:49:10,447 --> 00:49:12,365
WOMAN: Mute R. Kelly!
1060
00:49:12,366 --> 00:49:13,659
PROTESTERS: Mute R. Kelly!
1061
00:49:25,879 --> 00:49:29,006
ANGELO: Not having any
contact with Azriel,
1062
00:49:29,007 --> 00:49:30,800
we started growing suspicious.
1063
00:49:30,801 --> 00:49:34,220
We started investigating,
and once we found out
1064
00:49:34,221 --> 00:49:37,598
her iCloud was still
under her mother name,
1065
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:41,185
we went into it and
looked at text messages,
1066
00:49:41,186 --> 00:49:43,562
and we found some really
disturbing text messages
1067
00:49:43,563 --> 00:49:45,272
between them.
1068
00:49:45,273 --> 00:49:50,695
They had sex in Florida
that first time they met.
1069
00:49:50,696 --> 00:49:53,573
In, uh, 2015, when she was 17 years old.
1070
00:49:56,952 --> 00:50:00,496
It makes me feel, as a father...
1071
00:50:00,497 --> 00:50:03,291
less than a man, if that makes sense.
1072
00:50:06,753 --> 00:50:10,589
A piece of me seemed to die off.
1073
00:50:10,590 --> 00:50:13,593
I don't know anything about
the Azriel that's 20 now.
1074
00:50:16,722 --> 00:50:19,932
My daughter's no different
than the Savages.
1075
00:50:19,933 --> 00:50:22,184
I think the TMZ article
1076
00:50:22,185 --> 00:50:24,478
with Joy Savage was a statement
1077
00:50:24,479 --> 00:50:27,940
to every mother and every
father that has a daughter.
1078
00:50:27,941 --> 00:50:29,775
That's a predator that's telling y'all,
1079
00:50:29,776 --> 00:50:32,403
"I don't care what y'all think about me.
1080
00:50:32,404 --> 00:50:34,655
"I'm-a show you, I'm-a
get these girls to do
1081
00:50:34,656 --> 00:50:37,241
what I want 'em to do,
when I want 'em to do."
1082
00:50:37,242 --> 00:50:41,787
And if anybody need education,
go look at some pimp movies.
1083
00:50:41,788 --> 00:50:45,875
Go look at Superfly
and all them old '60s movies.
1084
00:50:45,876 --> 00:50:49,754
R. Kelly blueprint is
the same as a pimp.
1085
00:50:49,755 --> 00:50:50,921
And what they doing is showing you,
1086
00:50:50,922 --> 00:50:52,590
"I don't care how much you cry,
1087
00:50:52,591 --> 00:50:54,049
'I want my daughter,
I want my daughter!'"
1088
00:50:54,050 --> 00:50:55,384
Your daughter going to be
1089
00:50:55,385 --> 00:50:57,011
whatever he want her to be
1090
00:50:57,012 --> 00:51:00,681
until he finish with
her and give her back.
1091
00:51:00,682 --> 00:51:03,309
And I'm not putting
down any other father,
1092
00:51:03,310 --> 00:51:05,478
but it's a little different
1093
00:51:05,479 --> 00:51:06,896
when he dealing with me.
1094
00:51:06,897 --> 00:51:10,024
We not going to do "Hey" to TMZ,
1095
00:51:10,025 --> 00:51:11,317
the BuzzFeed back and forth.
1096
00:51:11,318 --> 00:51:12,944
We're not going to play that game.
1097
00:51:26,458 --> 00:51:29,418
ALICE: Azriel!
1098
00:51:29,419 --> 00:51:31,421
Az!
1099
00:51:33,757 --> 00:51:36,301
Azriel, open the door!
1100
00:51:37,427 --> 00:51:40,096
Azzy.
1101
00:51:42,307 --> 00:51:47,228
I know she ain't going to open
that mother(bleep) studio door.
1102
00:51:47,229 --> 00:51:49,605
CAMERAMAN: How you know she in there?
1103
00:51:49,606 --> 00:51:52,107
- ALICE: Yeah, how you doing?
- We have word that she here.
1104
00:51:52,108 --> 00:51:53,651
ALICE: I need to do a welfare check.
1105
00:51:53,652 --> 00:51:56,821
She may be harmed or
something, but I need to see
1106
00:51:56,822 --> 00:51:58,072
if my daughter's okay.
1107
00:51:58,073 --> 00:51:59,473
I have not seen her in three years.
1108
00:52:02,244 --> 00:52:03,994
ALICE: Dominique, she escaped,
1109
00:52:03,995 --> 00:52:05,704
and she's home with her mom now.
1110
00:52:05,705 --> 00:52:10,167
And she was the one that told
us that Azriel actually is...
1111
00:52:10,168 --> 00:52:12,503
was left in Chicago,
up here in a studio.
1112
00:52:12,504 --> 00:52:16,340
I need to get in and
make sure that she's okay.
1113
00:52:16,341 --> 00:52:17,967
All right, thank you.
1114
00:52:17,968 --> 00:52:20,219
She basically said
that Azriel has been
1115
00:52:20,220 --> 00:52:22,304
wanting to leave for
a while, and that, uh,
1116
00:52:22,305 --> 00:52:24,390
she actually escaped
before, and they found her
1117
00:52:24,391 --> 00:52:25,641
running down the street or something.
1118
00:52:25,642 --> 00:52:27,434
And so they brought her back.
1119
00:52:27,435 --> 00:52:29,687
You know, that's why she
don't really have any...
1120
00:52:29,688 --> 00:52:33,566
I guess she don't get to be
around nobody else anymore.
1121
00:52:33,567 --> 00:52:34,734
So, I don't know.
1122
00:52:36,695 --> 00:52:39,238
I'm Alice Clary. I'm the
one who placed the call.
1123
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,490
Our daughter, we got
a tip that she's here
1124
00:52:41,491 --> 00:52:44,411
and she's trying to leave, so
we need to do a wellness check.
1125
00:52:47,706 --> 00:52:49,415
ALICE: We think here. We don't know.
1126
00:52:49,416 --> 00:52:51,375
POLICE OFFICER: She didn't say anything?
1127
00:52:51,376 --> 00:52:53,544
ALICE: She's been here
with him for three years.
1128
00:52:53,545 --> 00:52:56,381
We have not seen our
daughter in three years.
1129
00:52:59,175 --> 00:53:00,510
ALICE: Mm-hmm.
1130
00:53:04,347 --> 00:53:06,765
The police said there
was nothing they can do
1131
00:53:06,766 --> 00:53:10,060
as a well check if nobody's
willing to open the door.
1132
00:53:10,061 --> 00:53:12,563
So... at this point we
just got to wait and see
1133
00:53:12,564 --> 00:53:14,315
if somebody can open the door.
1134
00:53:14,316 --> 00:53:16,150
I'm going to stay here
all night, I'm not leaving.
1135
00:53:16,151 --> 00:53:18,486
ANGELO: Hey!
1136
00:53:19,863 --> 00:53:21,865
(rock clatters)
1137
00:53:23,366 --> 00:53:25,159
ALICE: At this point,
1138
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:29,371
if you are our daughter, then
come back outside or something.
1139
00:53:29,372 --> 00:53:31,832
Talk to us or whatever.
Let us know something.
1140
00:53:31,833 --> 00:53:33,542
ANGELO: Hey!
1141
00:53:33,543 --> 00:53:35,711
- ALICE (screams): Open the door!
- ANGELO: Hey!
1142
00:53:35,712 --> 00:53:37,630
CAMERAMAN: (bleep)
(bleep) Stop, stop, stop.
1143
00:53:37,631 --> 00:53:40,341
ALICE: Clearly, someone
is in the building.
1144
00:53:40,342 --> 00:53:42,301
We just watched a
young lady come up,
1145
00:53:42,302 --> 00:53:44,261
turn the lights off, close the
blinds and everything, so...
1146
00:53:44,262 --> 00:53:45,846
PRODUCER: Mmm...
1147
00:53:45,847 --> 00:53:47,348
But we couldn't tell.
It kind of looked like
1148
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:48,349
it could have been her,
1149
00:53:48,350 --> 00:53:49,475
but she did it so quick.
1150
00:53:49,476 --> 00:53:50,851
PRODUCER: Mm-hmm.
1151
00:53:50,852 --> 00:53:52,478
ALICE: We just
seen a silo... like,
1152
00:53:52,479 --> 00:53:54,104
you know, her do it, like, her arm...
1153
00:53:54,105 --> 00:53:56,273
I don't know.
1154
00:53:56,274 --> 00:53:57,567
(Angelo pleading)
1155
00:54:06,534 --> 00:54:08,744
This a bad place for any parent to be.
1156
00:54:08,745 --> 00:54:10,621
You know, outside of a building...
1157
00:54:10,622 --> 00:54:12,164
ALICE: You don't know everything!
1158
00:54:12,165 --> 00:54:15,459
ANGELO: ...that your child
may be in, or may not be in.
1159
00:54:15,460 --> 00:54:17,253
This might as well be a prison.
1160
00:54:21,174 --> 00:54:24,218
ALICE: I need to see that that
young girl is not my daughter.
1161
00:54:24,219 --> 00:54:26,387
ANGELO: We want to
make sure it ain't her.
1162
00:54:26,388 --> 00:54:29,223
ALICE: This is the only lead
we have had in three years.
1163
00:54:29,224 --> 00:54:30,766
I am desperate at this point.
1164
00:54:30,767 --> 00:54:32,518
I don't want nothing from none of them.
1165
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:35,145
They play a lot games with
this man, that's on them.
1166
00:54:35,146 --> 00:54:36,605
If they want to protect
a (bleep) pedophile,
1167
00:54:36,606 --> 00:54:38,065
that's on them, that's cool.
1168
00:54:38,066 --> 00:54:40,025
I just need to know if
my daughter is in there.
1169
00:54:40,026 --> 00:54:43,237
If she is of age and she says
no, that's fine, I will leave.
1170
00:54:43,238 --> 00:54:45,407
I just need to see if that is her.
1171
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,507
I don't know.
1172
00:55:03,508 --> 00:55:06,970
At this point... uh...
1173
00:55:19,107 --> 00:55:22,609
d a very
1174
00:55:22,610 --> 00:55:24,403
interesting conversation with him
1175
00:55:24,404 --> 00:55:27,364
that lasted for about
two hours last spring.
1176
00:55:27,365 --> 00:55:28,532
All of a sudden, the phone rings.
1177
00:55:28,533 --> 00:55:30,659
And the conversation
that I had with him,
1178
00:55:30,660 --> 00:55:32,369
I promised him confidentiality.
1179
00:55:32,370 --> 00:55:34,288
He told me I could ask him anything.
1180
00:55:34,289 --> 00:55:37,708
And I asked him everything.
1181
00:55:37,709 --> 00:55:41,003
And he answered... everything.
1182
00:55:41,004 --> 00:55:44,423
I don't know why he
wanted to talk to me.
1183
00:55:44,424 --> 00:55:47,593
It was almost like he wanted
to purge or something.
1184
00:55:47,594 --> 00:55:49,803
He didn't tell me he likes young girls.
1185
00:55:49,804 --> 00:55:53,515
He told me he likes petite women.
1186
00:55:53,516 --> 00:55:56,935
You know, a particular height and size.
1187
00:55:56,936 --> 00:56:00,481
He didn't say he likes young
girls, but the court records...
1188
00:56:00,482 --> 00:56:03,525
you know, the allegations...
speak for themselves.
1189
00:56:03,526 --> 00:56:06,653
He doesn't have to say it.
1190
00:56:06,654 --> 00:56:08,530
And when we finished
having our conversation,
1191
00:56:08,531 --> 00:56:10,616
the "I Admit" song came out.
1192
00:56:10,617 --> 00:56:14,661
Singer R. Kelly released
a new 19-minute song today
1193
00:56:14,662 --> 00:56:17,456
that addresses several sexual
abuse allegations against him.
1194
00:56:17,457 --> 00:56:22,086
The song is titled "I Admit"
and is posted to SoundCloud.
1195
00:56:22,087 --> 00:56:24,713
♪ I admit it, I did... did it ♪
1196
00:56:24,714 --> 00:56:26,841
♪ ♪
1197
00:56:34,432 --> 00:56:37,351
Like a lot of his music, it's
very much telling on himself.
1198
00:56:37,352 --> 00:56:39,354
♪ ♪
1199
00:56:42,107 --> 00:56:44,233
♪ I admit, I admit, I admit. ♪
1200
00:56:44,234 --> 00:56:46,944
Having been around music
culture my whole life,
1201
00:56:46,945 --> 00:56:49,571
in the past, R. Kelly's
always been able to make
1202
00:56:49,572 --> 00:56:52,032
his outrageousness into
a story that sells.
1203
00:56:52,033 --> 00:56:54,159
So, it was just
par for the course
1204
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,204
when he released "I Admit."
1205
00:56:57,205 --> 00:57:00,124
It's the dumbest damn 19
minutes in the universe.
1206
00:57:00,125 --> 00:57:01,750
He doesn't admit anything,
1207
00:57:01,751 --> 00:57:04,211
he just proves that he's a narcissist.
1208
00:57:04,212 --> 00:57:06,547
He proves that he's gaslighting.
1209
00:57:06,548 --> 00:57:09,591
He's proving that he's never
going to take responsibility
1210
00:57:09,592 --> 00:57:11,885
for his actions.
1211
00:57:11,886 --> 00:57:14,888
GEORGE: It's crazy.
Throughout his music,
1212
00:57:14,889 --> 00:57:18,100
he's been remarkably frank
about his predilections...
1213
00:57:18,101 --> 00:57:19,935
(crowd shouting)
1214
00:57:19,936 --> 00:57:23,063
...about his freakiness.
1215
00:57:23,064 --> 00:57:25,190
About levels of control,
even. They're in there.
1216
00:57:25,191 --> 00:57:28,443
So, I mean, it's not like he's hidden.
1217
00:57:28,444 --> 00:57:31,072
But we have been afraid to look.
1218
00:57:32,574 --> 00:57:35,576
NORCOTT: Somebody
will work hard to have
1219
00:57:35,577 --> 00:57:37,786
a very polished, very popular
1220
00:57:37,787 --> 00:57:41,373
persona in the public
so that when somebody
1221
00:57:41,374 --> 00:57:43,834
will make these accusations,
1222
00:57:43,835 --> 00:57:46,962
and they'll be able to say,
"Does that even sound like me?
1223
00:57:46,963 --> 00:57:49,047
"Right? Like that... I
would... I would never do that.
1224
00:57:49,048 --> 00:57:51,633
"Why would I risk all
of this, all that I have,
1225
00:57:51,634 --> 00:57:53,760
my... your perception of me for that?"
1226
00:57:53,761 --> 00:57:58,515
KATHY CHANEY: I really don't
think that R. Kelly knows who
1227
00:57:58,516 --> 00:58:00,893
Robert Sylvester Kelly is.
1228
00:58:00,894 --> 00:58:04,104
I think he may be struggling
with, "Who am I really?
1229
00:58:04,105 --> 00:58:05,814
Who is this person that I've become?"
1230
00:58:05,815 --> 00:58:08,275
LEGEND: R. Kelly has
brought so much pain
1231
00:58:08,276 --> 00:58:09,610
to so many people.
1232
00:58:09,611 --> 00:58:12,571
And he should be ashamed of himself.
1233
00:58:12,572 --> 00:58:15,073
And, um, I hope there is some justice
1234
00:58:15,074 --> 00:58:17,784
done to him at some point.
1235
00:58:17,785 --> 00:58:19,787
♪ ♪
1236
00:58:25,210 --> 00:58:26,835
PRODUCER: If R. Kelly
was watching right now,
1237
00:58:26,836 --> 00:58:29,213
what would you want to
say to him directly?
1238
00:58:29,214 --> 00:58:32,007
R. Kelly, if you watching this,
1239
00:58:32,008 --> 00:58:34,426
I just want to hear my daughter voice.
1240
00:58:34,427 --> 00:58:38,055
You're keeping her from
not just me and my wife,
1241
00:58:38,056 --> 00:58:39,556
her whole entire family.
1242
00:58:39,557 --> 00:58:42,476
If I ever come across you again,
1243
00:58:42,477 --> 00:58:44,228
it's on and popping.
1244
00:58:44,229 --> 00:58:45,938
That's your head.
1245
00:58:45,939 --> 00:58:47,814
ANGELO: Once she start,
I'm right beside her.
1246
00:58:47,815 --> 00:58:49,608
And I don't mind going to jail.
1247
00:58:49,609 --> 00:58:52,444
I've been there before, and
I'll go there back again.
1248
00:58:52,445 --> 00:58:56,782
Take responsibility for the
lives that you've destroyed.
1249
00:58:56,783 --> 00:58:59,743
JOVANTE: You are not
exempt. You are not special.
1250
00:58:59,744 --> 00:59:03,497
You need to see the
effects of your behavior.
1251
00:59:03,498 --> 00:59:06,208
(crying): Quit... Quit hurting people.
1252
00:59:06,209 --> 00:59:09,127
Quit hurting these girls.
1253
00:59:09,128 --> 00:59:10,671
LIZZETTE: Stop
seeking young women
1254
00:59:10,672 --> 00:59:12,506
to fulfill your sexual deviancy.
1255
00:59:12,507 --> 00:59:15,550
This can't keep going on.
1256
00:59:15,551 --> 00:59:18,053
PRODUCER: What do you think
Robert's doing right now?
1257
00:59:18,054 --> 00:59:23,059
I hope Robert is trying
to get his sense together.
1258
00:59:29,565 --> 00:59:33,694
Whatever is in the
dark will come to light.
1259
00:59:33,695 --> 00:59:37,365
And until you do right
by all of them girls...
1260
00:59:39,075 --> 00:59:44,121
...nothing is going to come good to you.
1261
00:59:44,122 --> 00:59:46,499
Mark my word.
1262
01:00:11,232 --> 01:00:13,233
(woman vocalizing)
1263
01:00:13,234 --> 01:00:14,944
♪ ♪
1264
01:00:34,589 --> 01:00:36,923
I'm just really happy
that I can speak out,
1265
01:00:36,924 --> 01:00:38,342
and I don't have to
1266
01:00:38,343 --> 01:00:40,635
accept his money for my silence.
1267
01:00:40,636 --> 01:00:42,680
He's no longer controlling me.
1268
01:00:43,681 --> 01:00:45,683
♪ ♪
1269
01:00:57,653 --> 01:00:59,654
♪ We are ready ♪
1270
01:00:59,655 --> 01:01:03,200
♪ If you didn't know... ♪
1271
01:01:03,201 --> 01:01:05,285
Even though it was
hard... it's even hard
1272
01:01:05,286 --> 01:01:07,704
reliving it and
talking about it...
1273
01:01:07,705 --> 01:01:10,499
I'm proud of telling my story.
1274
01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:13,086
It's a testimony to help other people.
1275
01:01:15,755 --> 01:01:18,131
♪ We'll be right here ♪
1276
01:01:18,132 --> 01:01:20,759
- ♪ Ready ♪
- ♪ Oh, oh, oh ♪
1277
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,470
♪ Ready, oh, oh ♪
1278
01:01:23,471 --> 01:01:27,725
- ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ Oh, oh, oh... ♪
1279
01:01:31,979 --> 01:01:35,107
The reason why I consider
myself a survivor:
1280
01:01:35,108 --> 01:01:37,317
because I did not let
this break me down.
1281
01:01:37,318 --> 01:01:41,071
I could have easily let this
situation... But I didn't.
1282
01:01:41,072 --> 01:01:43,074
♪ ♪
1283
01:02:07,515 --> 01:02:09,850
♪ We are ready ♪
1284
01:02:09,851 --> 01:02:12,352
♪ Been going on too long ♪
1285
01:02:12,353 --> 01:02:14,646
♪ We are ready ♪
1286
01:02:14,647 --> 01:02:16,731
♪ And we've had about enough ♪
1287
01:02:16,732 --> 01:02:19,526
♪ Oh, we are ready ♪
1288
01:02:19,527 --> 01:02:23,280
♪ Won't be silent no more... ♪
1289
01:02:23,281 --> 01:02:24,948
I don't like to claim a victim anymore.
1290
01:02:24,949 --> 01:02:27,200
I w... I was a victim.
1291
01:02:27,201 --> 01:02:29,035
PRODUCER: Are you a survivor?
1292
01:02:29,036 --> 01:02:33,165
I am a survivor. (chuckles)
1293
01:02:33,166 --> 01:02:35,709
- ♪ Ready ♪
- ♪ Oh, oh, oh ♪
1294
01:02:35,710 --> 01:02:38,171
♪ Ready... ♪
1295
01:02:50,057 --> 01:02:52,142
♪ Ooh ♪
1296
01:02:52,143 --> 01:02:55,479
♪ But on this crazy obstacle
course I've been on ♪
1297
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,648
♪ I mean, now, more than ever ♪
1298
01:02:58,649 --> 01:02:59,900
♪ I'm ready ♪
1299
01:02:59,901 --> 01:03:03,195
♪ We are ready ♪
1300
01:03:03,196 --> 01:03:07,408
♪ We'll be right here, ready. ♪
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