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My name is Jerhonda Pace,
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and I was with Rob for six months
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when I was 16 years old.
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KANIKA "KITTI" JONES:
My name is Kitti Jones,
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and I was with R. Kelly
for two and a half years.
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ALICE: Our daughter Azriel Clary
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has been with R. Kelly
about three years now.
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MICHELLE: My name is
Michelle W. Kramer.
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My daughter Dominique has
been in his life for...
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off and on... for nine years.
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♪ ♪
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(fans cheering)
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- (crowd cheering)
- REPORTER: The jury is deliberating
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in R. Kelly's child
pornography case.
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KIM JANSSEN: Everyone
in the courtroom thought
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he was gonna be found guilty.
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CRAIG WILLIAMS:
Rob was very scared
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of going to jail.
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KATHY CHANEY: When
they said "Not guilty,"
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every reporter's face was like...
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ANDREA KELLY: Robert, you
know the turmoil you brought
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into my kids' life, and for that,
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you can go to hell.
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JERHONDA: After Robert's trial,
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his friend sent me a message
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and invited me to R. Kelly's party.
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I didn't tell anyone I
was going to his house.
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And I said, "I'm a virgin,"
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and he said, "Well,
that's perfect."
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Dominique and I
had met on MySpace
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based on liking R. Kelly.
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MICHELLE: She had a girlfriend
that called me and said,
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"Nikka has been seeing R. Kelly."
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I said, "Give me
his phone number."
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I said, "R. Kelly,
this is Michelle Kramer.
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Stay the (bleep) away from my daughter."
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ANN POWERS: At that time,
R. Kelly wasn't at the top
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of his game commercially,
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but he still held a place
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in the heart of people
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in the media.
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Certainly, fans.
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And he was sort of a,
you know, a cult figure.
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And for better or worse,
his transgressions,
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in some ways,
solidified that status.
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R. Kelly has asked a
lot of us to forget about
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Aaliyah, forget
about the sex tape,
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forget about the trial.
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R. Kelly is innocent.
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NEWS ANCHOR: R. Kelly was
arrested in Polk back in 2002
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on child porn charges, though
he was later acquitted.
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FORMER EMPLOYEE (distorted):
It made him, you know,
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feel that he can continue to
get away with those type of acts.
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My only daughter.
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I thought she was fine.
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She went on prom. She got a job.
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She was doing what she was
supposed to do as a teenager,
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and, um, we end up moving
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to the north side of Chicago.
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I went to Kaplan College for,
um, medical billing and coding,
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and she went for dental assistant.
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She was doing her own thing,
and then all of a sudden,
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she came home and said,
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"I haven't been telling you the truth."
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And I said, "What you mean?"
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"I had still been seeing him.
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And he asked me to
move to Atlanta."
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Now at this time,
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she about 21, 22.
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What can I do? She's grown.
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I didn't want to lose
my daughter to him.
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I had to make the hardest choice:
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Go against her...
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or give her my blessing.
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All I could do was
pray and hope one day
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that she just wake up
and just come home.
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I was with R. Kelly for six
months when I was 16 years old.
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I didn't see my friend
Dominique in the house,
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but I knew Dominique was
there because me and her
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used to always try to
meet up in the house
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and it never worked out.
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Rob always kept us separated.
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I would be isolated.
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I felt like a prisoner.
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It's, like, I didn't have anyone
to, um, talk to. It was just me.
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I went into a depression.
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I was mentally drained
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'cause he would break me
down, then build me up,
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then make me feel like (bleep) again,
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and do it all over again.
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So it was... He would
really manipulate my mind.
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The breaking point
for me was when
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Rob slapped me and he choked
me until I blacked out.
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He was about six feet tall,
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and I'm only five-one and a half,
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and he lift me up and I was,
like, eye level with him,
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and then I remember just blacking out
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and I-I hit the floor.
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That was the straw that
broke the camel's back,
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and that's why I had to walk away.
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After that incident
happened between us,
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I powered my phone off and I left,
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and I never looked back.
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Knowing that Dominique
is still in the house,
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it's very painful to
know that she's still
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experiencing all of those things
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that she was experiencing
when I was there.
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She just deserves better,
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and I don't want her
to be there anymore.
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She should have a better life.
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I do know of someone who tried to help
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one girl in particular
get out of the house.
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There was a staff member
who tried to help Dominique.
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It was a situation where
Dominique expressed
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how she was being mistreated.
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To Robert,
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Dominique is, like,
the rebellious one.
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She stays in trouble to him.
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She's a little tomboyish,
and Robert plays on that.
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So he has molded her
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into the boy he wants her to be.
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So he's had her shave all her hair off,
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and she carries herself like a boy.
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He's even had her dress in boy clothes
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and paint the-the beard
and the mustache on
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to look like a boy.
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So he treats her like his boy toy.
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My name is Timothy Savage.
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My daughter was off
in college at the time.
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I haven't seen her since.
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My daughter's severely brainwashed.
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She's brainwashed to
the point where, um,
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she says anything that
he asks her to say.
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Uh, she-she's not the
same Joycelyn that we knew.
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Stockholm syndrome, that's
what my daughter has right now.
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We both was blindsided.
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We didn't know it, but
the storm was coming.
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It was never for my daughter
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to-to get in touch with
this man, not one time,
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without me or my wife being present.
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Joycelyn was a... She was kind of shy,
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you know, she was a loner,
she liked to stay to herself.
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But when it came on
to music or modeling,
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she turned on like a
flash, like a butterfly.
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At the early ages of life, she
was always wanting to do this.
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One night, I got off from wor,
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she came downstairs and she was singing.
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I said, "Is that Joycelyn?"
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And I said, "She could sing."
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This was probably
about ten years old.
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JONJELYN: When we met Mr.
Kelly, we went in strictly
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for a professional relationship.
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I think that R. Kelly could've helped
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put my daughter in the right position
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to help her make her a star
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because he had a
lot of influences
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with the record labels
and, uh, he's created
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big hits with a lot of people.
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I think it was back in 2008,
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we did hear some type of, you know,
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allegations that he had, uh,
a trial that was going on,
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but, uh, the courts found
him not guilty at that time,
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so we didn't think nothing else of it.
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JONJELYN: December,
fall of 2016,
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she had told us that
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she studied, that she, you
know, passed all her exams,
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and she was looking forward
to the next semester.
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TIMOTHY: We felt like
we started to disconnect
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in, uh, 2016,
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late fall.
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I was going to, um, register Joycelyn
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for the, uh, next semester,
and I needed to talk to her.
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JONJELYN: I wasn't able to
get in touch with my daughter
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for three days straight,
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but I was able to track down her...
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one of her roommates that
she was really close with,
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and this particular roommate
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said that Joycelyn hadn't been
at the dorm for a few days.
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TIMOTHY: So we end up... We said,
"Hey, something is going on.
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This a red flag." And
then we got a call
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from her, and she told us
that she was with R. Kelly.
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We was like, "What are
you doing? You're in,
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"you're in college.
We had this discussion.
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"I thought you was
headed in the direction
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that you want to go in."
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And she told me that she didn't know
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what she wanted to do at that point.
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Weeks went by
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with no answers. It was
like a dead, silence tone
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when I'd call.
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It has been over
almost two years now,
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and we still haven't seen our daughter.
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When the Savages first came out
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talking about Joycelyn,
R. Kelly had meetings
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to strategize to
fix the situation.
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So the first thing was to put
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Joycelyn in front of the camera on TMZ,
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which is something he
ordinarily would not have done,
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but because they said that
Joycelyn was being held
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against her will and
all of that stuff,
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he had to clean it up.
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INTERVIEWER: You are not
being held against your will?
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Oh, n-no. Not at all.
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Never been feeling hostage
or anything like that,
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in that nature, never.
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FORMER EMPLOYEE:
As far as the video
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that Joycelyn Savage made,
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I would say that it was scripted
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because Robert does
not allow those girls
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to say anything that he
has not told them to say.
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TIMOTHY: Yeah, you see
shadows in the background,
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showing someone saying,
"Cut," on her shirt.
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INTERVIEWER: Are you free
to go from where you are?
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JOYCELYN: No, uh, I won't
speak on that as well.
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It made me feel horrible
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that you see somebody
doing this in a shadow
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going in the background.
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That's a control, like she's locked up
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in a jail cell.
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I really think it hit me
when I, when I saw her face
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on, you know, TMZ.
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I could tell that she
was not the same Joycelyn
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who was raised up to be.
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How can he just sit here
and ruin these little girls?
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Like, you-you can't...
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Like, I feel like he has no heart.
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POWERS: When the ball started
rolling down the hill again
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for R. Kelly,
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there was a piece in BuzzFeed,
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there was something
in The New Yorker.
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The story had hit the
mainstream in a new way.
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BuzzFeed has published
an explosive report
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detailing accusations
against artist R. Kelly.
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NEWSWOMAN: According
to the report,
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he's keeping a
household of young women
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in a cult-like atmosphere.
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REPORTER: The accusations
coming from a nine-month-long
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investigative report.
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The article quickly becoming
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one of the top trending
items on social media.
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From the time that the Savages came out,
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shows started to get canceled.
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He has lost money
from his bookings,
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so the stories, they have
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affected his livelihood,
and he knows that.
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I want everybody around
the world to know,
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ain't no tours canceled, man, all right?
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Despite what you hear,
don't believe the hype.
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I haven't canceled not one show.
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INTERVIEWER: You stand
by your words, you know,
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R. Kelly's not holding any women hostage
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or he doesn't have a sex cult or...?
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Um, no. None of that is
true. None of that is true.
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All of that is false accusations.
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You know, people talk
all the time, you know.
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It's just rumors.
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Yeah, I'm out here in L.A.,
you know, just vacationing,
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and he's in Chicago.
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INTERVIEWER: Oh, cool. You're
doing your own thing right now.
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Mm-hmm. Yeah. Doing my own thing.
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MICHELLE: When I
saw the TMZ video,
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I looked over and it was
my daughter Dominique.
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She was very unrecognizable
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because how her hair was and she was all
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tattooed up.
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So I could see they
was in Beverly Hills,
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and I just put two and two together
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that that's probably
where she's staying.
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So I spoke with the producers,
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because I was already coming
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to L.A. to do the documentary.
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And so I convinced them to...
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take me to Beverly Hills
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to locate my daughter.
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♪ ♪
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PRODUCER: What are you doing right now?
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MICHELLE: I'm just
looking out the window.
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She might be walking down the street.
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You can never replace a mothe.
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Never.
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When they sick, we take care of them,
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We ain't never know that.
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That's a mother.
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Not sayin' fathers don't do it.
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But this one... I did all that.
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So you can never replace that.
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One of the things she told me,
she told me never to give up.
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So me coming to L.A.
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and not trying to
even try to find her...
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I'm not giving up.
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I'm not.
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♪ ♪
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TARANA BURKE: After the trial,
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R. Kelly has had
huge performances...
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particularly, again, in black spaces.
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He's had the Soul Train Music
Award tribute to Sam Cooke.
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NELSON GEORGE: The
2010 performance,
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the Epic
soul extravaganza,
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is definitely his attempt to come back.
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He was making, also, a plea
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to black adults.
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That's why I think he
did the '50s thing.
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When I watched it, I said,
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"This is an incredibly
calculated performance."
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And the messaging of it
is really interesting
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in light of where he was
in his career, and that is,
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"I'm not being a
youthful pop star.
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"I'm your guy.
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I'm part of everything you are."
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TRACII McGREGOR: He
dropped Love Letter.
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And that record didn't do
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very well, either. It did
better than Untitled,
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but when you're looking at,
like, the breadth of his work,
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it paled in comparison.
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And still... He's still, you
know, working in the industry.
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I mean, R. Kelly wrote
most of the songs
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for the
Sparkle soundtrack.
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He did a song for
Whitney Houston,
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"I Look to You,"
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which did fairly well for her.
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R. Kelly, with his... mmm... genius,
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wrote this song for me many years ago.
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Spiritually, it...
connected with me, very much.
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By the time Whitney
Houston dies, you know,
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his reputation is pretty bad.
326
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We all know about the sex tapes.
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A lot of the stuff about the
abuse of women is coming out.
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It's been pretty consistent.
329
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So for him-him to even be
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at Whitney's funeral is kind of like...
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I'm sure some people were
very upset about that.
332
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He seems nervous when he
gets up there, because...
333
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Maybe he's even aware that...
the enormity of what he's doing
334
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and how potentially inappropriate it is.
335
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And how many of those people
are judging him in that audience.
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♪ I look to you... ♪
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(choir vocalizing)
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And yet he wins the
crowd, because of
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the purity of his emotion.
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And you see the pastors,
341
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who stand up during the song
342
00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,662
to sort of accept his testimony.
343
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And it's very powerful.
344
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We love you, Whitney.
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Rest in peace.
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BURKE: When he
has these moments,
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it elevates him to a
status in our community
348
00:17:29,798 --> 00:17:31,424
that-that really is protected.
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♪ ♪
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DR. JODY ADEWALE: Our society
tends to compartmentalize
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the things we don't want to look at
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and magnifies and glorifies
the things that we do.
353
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For example, if an individual
is providing something
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to the society...
355
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as music, cinema, politics...
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00:17:48,233 --> 00:17:50,067
we're more likely
357
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to compartmentalize
their negative behavior
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and minimize it,
359
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as a way of accepting
what they are contributing.
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00:17:55,949 --> 00:17:58,785
BURKE: We don't want
to let go of R. Kelly
361
00:17:58,786 --> 00:18:00,870
because it means let going of
all of that catalogue of music
362
00:18:00,871 --> 00:18:03,289
and the memories that go along with it.
363
00:18:03,290 --> 00:18:06,334
Whether you sang "I Believe
I Can Fly" at your graduation
364
00:18:06,335 --> 00:18:08,294
or you "Stepped in the Name
of Love" at your wedding,
365
00:18:08,295 --> 00:18:10,463
people don't want to let that go.
366
00:18:10,464 --> 00:18:12,799
His music is black music.
367
00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,177
It crosses over, but he
targets the black people.
368
00:18:16,178 --> 00:18:19,180
And as a people, we forgive.
369
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And-and keep forgiving you.
370
00:18:20,849 --> 00:18:22,725
That's the church in us.
371
00:18:22,726 --> 00:18:25,019
But now it's like,
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00:18:25,020 --> 00:18:26,187
we have gone from stories
373
00:18:26,188 --> 00:18:27,772
that could be dismissed...
374
00:18:27,773 --> 00:18:29,857
They just want to bring
him down, to kill his image.
375
00:18:29,858 --> 00:18:32,527
POWERS: ...to
stories about women
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00:18:32,528 --> 00:18:35,364
who were being kept
from their parents.
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♪ ♪
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PRODUCER: Kind of looks
like the (bleep) over there.
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- Where?
- Right...
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Um...
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00:18:48,752 --> 00:18:50,254
PRODUCER: All right. Let's go.
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MICHELLE: In my heart,
I know she's there.
383
00:18:59,471 --> 00:19:01,639
And... I know she's there.
384
00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,600
My plan is just to
go into the hotel
385
00:19:04,601 --> 00:19:07,061
and just, basically... it's
Mother's Day weekend...
386
00:19:07,062 --> 00:19:11,275
and say, "Can you have her come
down? There's a package here."
387
00:19:17,155 --> 00:19:21,159
They said no, there
wasn't no Gardner there.
388
00:19:23,036 --> 00:19:25,746
But I didn't get to L.A.
not to find my daughter.
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00:19:25,747 --> 00:19:27,290
- (men chatting indistinctly)
- MICHELLE: Could I ask you...
390
00:19:27,291 --> 00:19:28,916
could I ask you a question?
391
00:19:28,917 --> 00:19:31,460
So I saw this black guy outside,
392
00:19:31,461 --> 00:19:33,462
like maybe a doorman
or something,
393
00:19:33,463 --> 00:19:35,840
and I described Dominique to him.
394
00:19:35,841 --> 00:19:39,635
And he said, "Try the
one across the street."
395
00:19:39,636 --> 00:19:42,388
And I did not know it
was a whole nother hotel
396
00:19:42,389 --> 00:19:44,140
of the same name across the street.
397
00:19:44,141 --> 00:19:46,143
♪ ♪
398
00:20:00,741 --> 00:20:02,241
Oh! I got company.
399
00:20:02,242 --> 00:20:03,993
All right, how are you guys?
400
00:20:03,994 --> 00:20:06,037
KANIKA: Back in 2011,
401
00:20:06,038 --> 00:20:08,831
I was a radio DJ in Dallas.
402
00:20:08,832 --> 00:20:12,793
Um... and I had met R.
Kelly at an after-party
403
00:20:12,794 --> 00:20:15,421
while he was on the
Love Letter Tour.
404
00:20:15,422 --> 00:20:17,840
I proceeded to introduce mysef
405
00:20:17,841 --> 00:20:20,760
and let him know that I
was from the radio station.
406
00:20:20,761 --> 00:20:23,054
He proceeded to ask
me how old I was.
407
00:20:23,055 --> 00:20:25,514
Told him I was in my 30s,
408
00:20:25,515 --> 00:20:27,058
and he was shocked.
409
00:20:27,059 --> 00:20:30,269
He just kind of sized
me up a little bit,
410
00:20:30,270 --> 00:20:32,021
from head to toe, like,
what I looked like.
411
00:20:32,022 --> 00:20:33,689
And we were just kind of
412
00:20:33,690 --> 00:20:35,358
shaking hands really slow
413
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,485
and that's when he slipped
me the phone number.
414
00:20:37,486 --> 00:20:39,654
♪ ♪
415
00:20:39,655 --> 00:20:43,115
Long distance was a hard
thing for both of us, so...
416
00:20:43,116 --> 00:20:44,951
I quit my job
417
00:20:44,952 --> 00:20:47,828
and moved to Chicago.
418
00:20:47,829 --> 00:20:50,248
I didn't just pack up and leave
419
00:20:50,249 --> 00:20:53,084
just because I loved him,
it was a two-way thing.
420
00:20:53,085 --> 00:20:57,463
Rob absolutely told me that
he loved me, all the time.
421
00:20:57,464 --> 00:21:02,760
I was visiting Dallas and
a friend of mine said,
422
00:21:02,761 --> 00:21:05,888
"Um, you know, have you ever watched
423
00:21:05,889 --> 00:21:07,515
the sex tape?"
424
00:21:07,516 --> 00:21:11,018
And I was furious with her
425
00:21:11,019 --> 00:21:14,063
and I felt disrespected, because...
426
00:21:14,064 --> 00:21:15,815
at this point, this is my boyfriend.
427
00:21:15,816 --> 00:21:19,944
Not only that, I just felt
like if you have respect for me
428
00:21:19,945 --> 00:21:21,946
you wouldn't be bringing
up something that
429
00:21:21,947 --> 00:21:24,448
people are gonna always
make fun of him over.
430
00:21:24,449 --> 00:21:25,741
I'm-I'm offended as well.
431
00:21:25,742 --> 00:21:27,660
But my curiosity
432
00:21:27,661 --> 00:21:29,412
just kind of got the best of e
433
00:21:29,413 --> 00:21:30,871
and I googled it.
434
00:21:30,872 --> 00:21:32,374
And, um...
435
00:21:34,042 --> 00:21:36,127
...when I saw the images,
436
00:21:36,128 --> 00:21:38,879
um...
437
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,882
(sobs)
438
00:21:42,134 --> 00:21:44,553
The images were...
439
00:21:49,057 --> 00:21:52,476
...the same girl that
he had introduced me to,
440
00:21:52,477 --> 00:21:55,062
um...
441
00:21:55,063 --> 00:21:56,731
a couple weeks before.
442
00:21:56,732 --> 00:22:00,526
I knew ex... I knew immediately
it was the same woman.
443
00:22:00,527 --> 00:22:03,029
Um...
444
00:22:03,030 --> 00:22:04,739
I just didn't know how to feel.
445
00:22:04,740 --> 00:22:08,909
I-I guess I felt like I
was tricked into something.
446
00:22:08,910 --> 00:22:10,327
All at the same time.
447
00:22:10,328 --> 00:22:12,079
It was just...
448
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,123
a bunch of emotions
coming over me, like,
449
00:22:14,124 --> 00:22:17,002
am I really with someone that did this?
450
00:22:27,179 --> 00:22:29,930
KANIKA: I called him.
451
00:22:29,931 --> 00:22:33,684
And... I was very upset.
452
00:22:33,685 --> 00:22:36,270
He could hear me crying and I said,
453
00:22:36,271 --> 00:22:39,190
"My friend sent me the
tape," or something like that.
454
00:22:39,191 --> 00:22:41,358
I didn't want him to know
that I went looking for it,
455
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,360
so I carefully worded it
456
00:22:43,361 --> 00:22:46,280
so he didn't think that
457
00:22:46,281 --> 00:22:48,741
I went looking for a tape.
458
00:22:48,742 --> 00:22:51,368
The tape that he went to trial for.
459
00:22:51,369 --> 00:22:55,206
He just began, like,
460
00:22:55,207 --> 00:22:57,333
saying things to me
461
00:22:57,334 --> 00:22:58,876
that I'd never heard before.
462
00:22:58,877 --> 00:23:00,878
Like, "Bitch, don't
ever accuse me
463
00:23:00,879 --> 00:23:03,130
of some (bleep) like
that ever again."
464
00:23:03,131 --> 00:23:04,632
And "Who are you listening to?
465
00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:06,342
"Get your ass back.
466
00:23:06,343 --> 00:23:08,761
I'm (bleep) you up." Things like that.
467
00:23:08,762 --> 00:23:10,679
And I was just...
468
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,682
scared.
469
00:23:15,143 --> 00:23:17,144
♪ ♪
470
00:23:17,145 --> 00:23:19,147
He beat me in the
car when I got back.
471
00:23:22,109 --> 00:23:24,527
That was the first time he
was very physical with me.
472
00:23:24,528 --> 00:23:28,072
Not only do I need to
save face for myself,
473
00:23:28,073 --> 00:23:29,490
I need to protect him, too,
474
00:23:29,491 --> 00:23:31,283
because now I loved him, I love him.
475
00:23:31,284 --> 00:23:34,328
And now he knows that
I know this secret.
476
00:23:34,329 --> 00:23:39,041
And I need him to understand
that I'm not gonna tell anybody.
477
00:23:39,042 --> 00:23:41,460
♪ ♪
478
00:23:41,461 --> 00:23:43,546
I felt trapped.
479
00:23:43,547 --> 00:23:45,422
On the inside, I was like,
480
00:23:45,423 --> 00:23:47,091
"Who am I dealing with?"
481
00:23:47,092 --> 00:23:49,135
Like, who is this person
that I'm lying down with?
482
00:23:49,136 --> 00:23:51,220
Is he doing this secretly?
483
00:23:51,221 --> 00:23:52,513
You know?
484
00:23:52,514 --> 00:23:55,683
And I'm of age. Am I just a beard?
485
00:23:55,684 --> 00:23:57,685
I didn't know.
486
00:23:57,686 --> 00:23:59,688
I just...
487
00:24:01,231 --> 00:24:03,274
I just knew that
488
00:24:03,275 --> 00:24:05,943
when we were the car and
he was lashing out at me
489
00:24:05,944 --> 00:24:08,654
and-and slapping me repeatedly,
490
00:24:08,655 --> 00:24:11,949
and I just kept telling him I was sorry
491
00:24:11,950 --> 00:24:14,910
and that I... I wasn't
accusing him of anything
492
00:24:14,911 --> 00:24:16,453
and that I didn't believe it.
493
00:24:16,454 --> 00:24:20,916
At this point, there's
no turning back.
494
00:24:20,917 --> 00:24:23,836
And I just... I wanted to
make it work by all means.
495
00:24:23,837 --> 00:24:25,796
But...
496
00:24:25,797 --> 00:24:27,339
he would beat me
497
00:24:27,340 --> 00:24:29,050
when he was upset with me.
498
00:24:32,012 --> 00:24:33,971
There's a period that...
499
00:24:33,972 --> 00:24:35,973
He calls it "training you."
500
00:24:35,974 --> 00:24:38,976
He used those words
with me plenty of times.
501
00:24:38,977 --> 00:24:42,730
I didn't understand
502
00:24:42,731 --> 00:24:45,691
that training me was,
like, okay, let me...
503
00:24:45,692 --> 00:24:48,694
let me put this out
here and see if she...
504
00:24:48,695 --> 00:24:50,362
is comfortable with that.
505
00:24:50,363 --> 00:24:54,617
You definitely had to ask
to go to the restroom.
506
00:24:54,618 --> 00:24:56,493
Stand up when he
walks in the room.
507
00:24:56,494 --> 00:24:59,288
You had to ask for your food.
508
00:24:59,289 --> 00:25:03,000
I was not allowed, by
Rob, to watch TV back then.
509
00:25:03,001 --> 00:25:06,086
Dance Moms was a show
that he would look at,
510
00:25:06,087 --> 00:25:08,505
ironically, with little
girls dancing or whatever.
511
00:25:08,506 --> 00:25:12,760
But I never saw any
reality shows on VH1
512
00:25:12,761 --> 00:25:14,261
or anything that was negative
513
00:25:14,262 --> 00:25:16,847
or might have anything that would,
514
00:25:16,848 --> 00:25:18,265
I guess, pertain to him
515
00:25:18,266 --> 00:25:19,935
or put any negative thoughts.
516
00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:23,229
ADEWALE: The perpetrator might
517
00:25:23,230 --> 00:25:25,522
isolate an individual.
518
00:25:25,523 --> 00:25:28,317
It's easier for a
perpetrator to abuse...
519
00:25:28,318 --> 00:25:30,236
sexually, physically,
financially, emotionally
520
00:25:30,237 --> 00:25:31,862
abuse the individual
521
00:25:31,863 --> 00:25:33,864
when that individual is
separated from their family,
522
00:25:33,865 --> 00:25:36,533
when that individual
doesn't have resources.
523
00:25:36,534 --> 00:25:38,577
He or she can, um,
524
00:25:38,578 --> 00:25:41,372
essentially do whatever he or
she wants to that individual.
525
00:25:41,373 --> 00:25:44,458
The... the victim often believes
526
00:25:44,459 --> 00:25:46,293
"I have nothing else."
527
00:25:46,294 --> 00:25:48,170
Yeah, they had a lot of rules
528
00:25:48,171 --> 00:25:49,880
that they had us abide by.
529
00:25:49,881 --> 00:25:53,300
PRODUCER: What does it mean
to be in trouble with Rob,
530
00:25:53,301 --> 00:25:54,802
for one of the girls?
531
00:25:54,803 --> 00:25:57,137
FORMER EMPLOYEE: Being
in trouble with Rob
532
00:25:57,138 --> 00:26:00,182
would mean being
confined to a room
533
00:26:00,183 --> 00:26:01,600
for several days.
534
00:26:01,601 --> 00:26:03,560
Being confined on the tour bus
535
00:26:03,561 --> 00:26:04,687
for several days.
536
00:26:04,688 --> 00:26:06,814
Having their devices taken.
537
00:26:06,815 --> 00:26:08,691
Cell phones taken away.
538
00:26:08,692 --> 00:26:11,151
And even being spanked.
539
00:26:11,152 --> 00:26:14,029
Being on punishment could be...
540
00:26:14,030 --> 00:26:15,906
either you're not getting food
541
00:26:15,907 --> 00:26:18,242
or you took a beating
542
00:26:18,243 --> 00:26:19,785
and he's not talking to you.
543
00:26:19,786 --> 00:26:21,704
It was just a...
544
00:26:21,705 --> 00:26:23,414
a-a-a molding
and shaping me
545
00:26:23,415 --> 00:26:24,581
into this person
546
00:26:24,582 --> 00:26:25,916
and then, once I realize
547
00:26:25,917 --> 00:26:27,793
this is what it's become,
548
00:26:27,794 --> 00:26:29,586
it's too late and I'm in it.
549
00:26:29,587 --> 00:26:34,216
FORMER EMPLOYEE (crying): I'm sorry.
550
00:26:34,217 --> 00:26:36,219
I'm sorry.
551
00:26:41,391 --> 00:26:45,102
Because when you talk about it,
552
00:26:45,103 --> 00:26:50,692
you realize how sick and
twisted it really was.
553
00:26:53,611 --> 00:26:57,282
And when I first met those girls...
554
00:27:02,996 --> 00:27:04,997
(sniffles, exhales)
555
00:27:04,998 --> 00:27:07,875
When I first met those girls,
556
00:27:07,876 --> 00:27:11,128
I judged them, not him.
557
00:27:11,129 --> 00:27:15,341
My first response to myself was,
558
00:27:15,342 --> 00:27:17,885
"These bitches are crazy,"
559
00:27:17,886 --> 00:27:22,723
because I saw them
jump up and kiss him,
560
00:27:22,724 --> 00:27:24,975
one behind the other,
561
00:27:24,976 --> 00:27:29,188
and I knew what was going
on behind closed doors
562
00:27:29,189 --> 00:27:32,024
as far as them not being able
to eat when they wanted to,
563
00:27:32,025 --> 00:27:34,651
not being able to move around.
564
00:27:34,652 --> 00:27:39,073
Until I started to not
just look at the situation,
565
00:27:39,074 --> 00:27:44,370
but I started to also
listen to what he would say
566
00:27:44,371 --> 00:27:47,165
to make them act that way.
567
00:27:49,042 --> 00:27:51,210
KANIKA: The summer of 2012,
568
00:27:51,211 --> 00:27:53,087
he was putting together
The Single Ladies Tour.
569
00:27:53,088 --> 00:27:56,131
I was just kind of at
my wit's end to leave,
570
00:27:56,132 --> 00:28:01,011
and, um, he kind of reeled
me back in by asking me to go
571
00:28:01,012 --> 00:28:03,723
- be the cage girl.
-(audience cheering)
572
00:28:06,351 --> 00:28:10,354
It made me feel special
that, "Okay, this is us
573
00:28:10,355 --> 00:28:12,231
working on the relationship,"
574
00:28:12,232 --> 00:28:15,442
some of the promises that he
made, um, before, you know,
575
00:28:15,443 --> 00:28:19,655
me even moving or-or
making up my mind to move.
576
00:28:19,656 --> 00:28:21,990
So, we practiced that.
577
00:28:21,991 --> 00:28:23,909
And the lights were gonna go dim,
578
00:28:23,910 --> 00:28:26,662
and then the spotlight
would be on me
579
00:28:26,663 --> 00:28:29,081
with him on his knees singing to me,
580
00:28:29,082 --> 00:28:31,959
and then he opens my
legs and goes down on me
581
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,585
while I'm in the seats.
582
00:28:33,586 --> 00:28:35,588
(fans screaming)
583
00:28:38,007 --> 00:28:40,551
JOYNER: He did
this 30 years ago.
584
00:28:40,552 --> 00:28:42,553
He was on stage at the Essence Festival.
585
00:28:42,554 --> 00:28:46,390
Same act, with the bed,
grabbing his crotch,
586
00:28:46,391 --> 00:28:49,184
all of that... simulating sex.
587
00:28:49,185 --> 00:28:50,853
He hasn't changed.
588
00:28:50,854 --> 00:28:53,147
We would run up to the stage together,
589
00:28:53,148 --> 00:28:56,233
and then one of the
guys would hand me
590
00:28:56,234 --> 00:28:58,444
a fake contract, and then I
would be looking at it like,
591
00:28:58,445 --> 00:29:00,654
"Oh, my God, I'm about
to sign this to let him
592
00:29:00,655 --> 00:29:02,656
do what he wants with me."
593
00:29:02,657 --> 00:29:05,325
And I just remember him sayin,
594
00:29:05,326 --> 00:29:08,996
"This is what I'm gonna have
you do when we get home.
595
00:29:08,997 --> 00:29:10,414
"Make up a contract
596
00:29:10,415 --> 00:29:12,250
so I can protect myself."
597
00:29:14,377 --> 00:29:16,587
FORMER EMPLOYEE: He does make
598
00:29:16,588 --> 00:29:20,007
the girls write statements
with false accusations
599
00:29:20,008 --> 00:29:21,717
against themselves.
600
00:29:21,718 --> 00:29:23,886
Either saying that they've
stole something from him,
601
00:29:23,887 --> 00:29:27,055
or that their parents have
stole something from him,
602
00:29:27,056 --> 00:29:29,308
or even that the parents
tried to bribe him,
603
00:29:29,309 --> 00:29:31,351
or something of that sort.
604
00:29:31,352 --> 00:29:32,603
I would call the false statements
605
00:29:32,604 --> 00:29:34,396
some type of insurance.
606
00:29:34,397 --> 00:29:37,399
And I would even say, in
addition to the statements,
607
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,402
the fact that he videos
everything that they do
608
00:29:40,403 --> 00:29:43,030
when they are being sexual with him,
609
00:29:43,031 --> 00:29:46,450
I see the videos as being something
610
00:29:46,451 --> 00:29:50,830
that he can hold against
them or hold over their heads.
611
00:29:52,790 --> 00:29:55,000
KANIKA: The tour ended
middle of December
612
00:29:55,001 --> 00:29:56,543
of 2012.
613
00:29:56,544 --> 00:29:59,880
He introduced me
614
00:29:59,881 --> 00:30:01,590
sometime in February, and my life
615
00:30:01,591 --> 00:30:04,551
just got turned upside down after that.
616
00:30:04,552 --> 00:30:07,679
Sexually, it was always
one or two girls.
617
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,848
At the most, it was three.
618
00:30:09,849 --> 00:30:12,434
I just had to block
it all out, you know?
619
00:30:12,435 --> 00:30:15,979
Because the sexual part of
it is just so humiliating
620
00:30:15,980 --> 00:30:20,526
and degrading, and
it makes you feel, um,
621
00:30:20,527 --> 00:30:23,946
like, if you say no, like, what
the consequences are gonna be.
622
00:30:23,947 --> 00:30:28,617
He was preparing for the Black
Panties album, mainly.
623
00:30:28,618 --> 00:30:30,953
And my last straw
624
00:30:30,954 --> 00:30:32,788
was being starved.
625
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:34,915
I think I was going on day three.
626
00:30:34,916 --> 00:30:37,125
I hadn't eaten the whole day,
627
00:30:37,126 --> 00:30:40,754
and I just remember
glancing over at him
628
00:30:40,755 --> 00:30:43,006
and just making, like, a
subtle movement, and he said,
629
00:30:43,007 --> 00:30:46,134
"Don't stare at me while I effing eat."
630
00:30:46,135 --> 00:30:48,095
And I said, "I'm not staring at you."
631
00:30:48,096 --> 00:30:51,598
Like, I had no fear
of him anymore.
632
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:53,600
It was just starting to build up,
633
00:30:53,601 --> 00:30:55,978
and I just started
thinking of ways to, like,
634
00:30:55,979 --> 00:30:59,899
either end my life or end his.
635
00:31:03,486 --> 00:31:05,862
It's difficult for people
who aren't in these contexts
636
00:31:05,863 --> 00:31:08,448
to understand. "Well, why
wouldn't she just leave?
637
00:31:08,449 --> 00:31:10,826
Why wouldn't she just go eat something?"
638
00:31:10,827 --> 00:31:13,161
But again, it's been a process over time
639
00:31:13,162 --> 00:31:15,789
where this relationship is the
most important relationship
640
00:31:15,790 --> 00:31:17,624
in her life.
641
00:31:17,625 --> 00:31:20,377
She won't do anything to
risk that relationship
642
00:31:20,378 --> 00:31:22,504
and attention that she'll
get from that person.
643
00:31:22,505 --> 00:31:24,924
So it can be quite powerful.
644
00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:30,679
KANIKA: The next day,
645
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,098
um, even though
646
00:31:33,099 --> 00:31:36,852
all this had built up for me to leave,
647
00:31:36,853 --> 00:31:42,316
and I felt strong when it came
to me getting to the airport...
648
00:31:42,317 --> 00:31:44,318
(sniffles)
649
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:45,986
...I didn't want to go.
650
00:31:45,987 --> 00:31:48,071
Um...
651
00:31:48,072 --> 00:31:52,367
I was afraid of what I was gonna
have to face when I got home.
652
00:31:52,368 --> 00:31:55,162
Because I was so scared
653
00:31:55,163 --> 00:31:58,624
of what people were
gonna say and think,
654
00:31:58,625 --> 00:32:00,667
and how they were gonna
judge me and, like,
655
00:32:00,668 --> 00:32:03,212
"What happened? Why are you back?"
656
00:32:06,924 --> 00:32:08,592
DR. KHADIJA MONK:
The number of times
657
00:32:08,593 --> 00:32:11,970
a domestic violence, um, survivor leaves
658
00:32:11,971 --> 00:32:13,805
is between seven and ten times
659
00:32:13,806 --> 00:32:17,017
before they permanently leave.
660
00:32:17,018 --> 00:32:19,269
And that is because
661
00:32:19,270 --> 00:32:23,274
of the power and control
that the abuser has.
662
00:32:26,486 --> 00:32:29,196
KANIKA: So when I
got to the airport,
663
00:32:29,197 --> 00:32:31,573
it was so scary.
664
00:32:31,574 --> 00:32:34,868
I remember trying to
call him, and text,
665
00:32:34,869 --> 00:32:36,745
and I kept telling myself,
666
00:32:36,746 --> 00:32:40,165
"If he picks the phone
up, I'm going back,"
667
00:32:40,166 --> 00:32:43,753
because I wasn't ready
like I thought I was.
668
00:32:46,381 --> 00:32:48,591
He never picked it up.
669
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:01,436
MICHELLE: I didn't
get to be a mother
670
00:33:01,437 --> 00:33:03,940
all this long not
to be a detective.
671
00:33:28,715 --> 00:33:30,133
Yes, please.
672
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:41,351
MICHELLE: The hotel
manager, he was like,
673
00:33:41,352 --> 00:33:43,603
"Um, I'm-a take
you to her room."
674
00:33:43,604 --> 00:33:44,938
I was like, "Oh, my God."
675
00:33:44,939 --> 00:33:47,566
So, I was getting nervous.
676
00:33:47,567 --> 00:33:49,401
I-I can't e... I
don't have no words,
677
00:33:49,402 --> 00:33:52,029
'cause it's just overwhelming.
678
00:34:01,539 --> 00:34:03,541
(knocking on door)
679
00:34:29,817 --> 00:34:31,819
(knocking on door)
680
00:34:46,167 --> 00:34:48,169
(Michelle laughs softly)
681
00:34:50,379 --> 00:34:52,381
Baby. Oh...
682
00:35:54,318 --> 00:35:57,154
Okay. Yeah, we good. Thank you.
683
00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:06,705
Thank you.
684
00:36:06,706 --> 00:36:09,583
No, you made this the
best Mother's Day ever.
685
00:36:09,584 --> 00:36:12,711
You don't understand.
686
00:36:12,712 --> 00:36:14,629
You don't understand.
687
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:17,300
(panting)
688
00:36:20,970 --> 00:36:23,096
(crying): Oh, my God.
689
00:36:23,097 --> 00:36:25,599
I found her.
690
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,686
I found my baby. God is real.
691
00:36:40,531 --> 00:36:44,284
(sobbing)
692
00:36:44,285 --> 00:36:46,287
Thank you, God.
693
00:36:54,503 --> 00:36:58,048
Any man that don't
let their mother
694
00:36:58,049 --> 00:36:59,925
see their child, the
child see their mother,
695
00:36:59,926 --> 00:37:03,428
and she's still living,
you ain't got no heart.
696
00:37:03,429 --> 00:37:05,430
I saw my daughter.
697
00:37:05,431 --> 00:37:08,809
I hugged my daughter,
I kissed my daughter.
698
00:37:10,978 --> 00:37:15,148
And she said that your
daughter was in the room.
699
00:37:15,149 --> 00:37:18,777
NORCOTT: Things that
can support girls
700
00:37:18,778 --> 00:37:21,029
and women getting away
from abusive situations:
701
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:25,867
one is time, one is reminding the girl
702
00:37:25,868 --> 00:37:27,994
that she has her own identity,
703
00:37:27,995 --> 00:37:30,789
that she's cared for, that she's loved.
704
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:35,335
You've seen parents put out
media blasts in different ways,
705
00:37:35,336 --> 00:37:37,712
reminding the girls that they're loved,
706
00:37:37,713 --> 00:37:40,924
and the hope is that something
will get through, right?
707
00:37:40,925 --> 00:37:44,010
Or that there may be
a period where a girl
708
00:37:44,011 --> 00:37:48,098
will be questioning her current
situation, may reach out,
709
00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:52,060
may do a Google search
and find a YouTube video
710
00:37:52,061 --> 00:37:54,689
of a-a message from her parent.
711
00:37:58,150 --> 00:38:00,152
MICHELLE: Hold on, hold on.
712
00:38:05,324 --> 00:38:07,325
Okay.
713
00:38:07,326 --> 00:38:09,703
Okay. Oh, she want to talk to me.
714
00:38:09,704 --> 00:38:11,329
I got to go. Bye.
715
00:38:11,330 --> 00:38:13,416
My daughter want to talk to me. Bye.
716
00:38:18,879 --> 00:38:20,880
Hello?
717
00:38:20,881 --> 00:38:24,050
Hey. Don't cry, don't cry.
718
00:38:24,051 --> 00:38:27,263
Don't, don't, don't cry, okay?
719
00:38:29,974 --> 00:38:31,976
(sniffles)
720
00:38:34,061 --> 00:38:37,231
PRODUCER: Feel like she
was happy to see you?
721
00:38:39,275 --> 00:38:41,901
She couldn't show no emotion, probably.
722
00:38:41,902 --> 00:38:44,112
But on the phone, I wish I could've
723
00:38:44,113 --> 00:38:45,947
put it on speaker.
724
00:38:45,948 --> 00:38:48,576
(crying): Don't cry.
725
00:38:51,954 --> 00:38:55,373
Please just come home.
726
00:38:55,374 --> 00:38:57,500
She cried like...
727
00:38:57,501 --> 00:39:01,921
like a little girl just
hurting for her mommy.
728
00:39:01,922 --> 00:39:05,592
And I said, "Baby, I... uh,
can I come back, please?"
729
00:39:05,593 --> 00:39:07,887
And she said, "Yes,
Mama, come back at 6:00."
730
00:39:16,604 --> 00:39:19,607
- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
731
00:39:30,242 --> 00:39:34,412
Our daughter met R. Kelly
at a concert in Orlando
732
00:39:34,413 --> 00:39:36,706
that, uh, we all went to,
733
00:39:36,707 --> 00:39:38,292
celebrating for my husband's birthday.
734
00:39:41,003 --> 00:39:44,672
He actually pulled her
out the crowd onstage.
735
00:39:44,673 --> 00:39:47,258
Azriel was 17.
736
00:39:47,259 --> 00:39:48,802
We had no idea that
she was going through
737
00:39:48,803 --> 00:39:51,638
some personal things,
I guess, in her life.
738
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:55,434
You know, um, that,
um... (voice breaking)
739
00:40:00,815 --> 00:40:06,569
♪ Oh, say can you see... ♪
740
00:40:06,570 --> 00:40:08,404
ALICE: She's a
remarkable singer,
741
00:40:08,405 --> 00:40:10,865
and she had been singing since
she was about five or six,
742
00:40:10,866 --> 00:40:13,868
but singing kind of,
like, professionally
743
00:40:13,869 --> 00:40:15,578
since she was about eight.
744
00:40:15,579 --> 00:40:18,123
She's been in so many
different contests,
745
00:40:18,124 --> 00:40:21,626
shows, won so many awards.
746
00:40:21,627 --> 00:40:22,710
That was her thing.
747
00:40:22,711 --> 00:40:23,920
She wanted to be
748
00:40:23,921 --> 00:40:26,256
a famous singer.
749
00:40:26,257 --> 00:40:27,715
She had a bubbly personality,
750
00:40:27,716 --> 00:40:32,304
very fun, like, full of life young lady.
751
00:40:36,976 --> 00:40:38,184
ANGELO: When R. Kelly
picked my daughter
752
00:40:38,185 --> 00:40:39,394
to go up onstage,
753
00:40:39,395 --> 00:40:40,937
they danced, and it was a bunch
754
00:40:40,938 --> 00:40:42,814
of young ladies he picked out.
755
00:40:42,815 --> 00:40:47,152
Everybody knew R. Kelly's
background with females.
756
00:40:47,153 --> 00:40:49,529
You know, you kind of
suppressed the thought.
757
00:40:49,530 --> 00:40:51,823
He's never been found guilty
on any of the charges, so...
758
00:40:51,824 --> 00:40:56,077
I mean, if you look at it, you
know, from a legal standpoint,
759
00:40:56,078 --> 00:40:59,747
you think, okay, maybe it wasn't
any truth or validity to it.
760
00:40:59,748 --> 00:41:01,708
Because people make accusations
on people all the time.
761
00:41:01,709 --> 00:41:03,459
It doesn't mean it's actually true.
762
00:41:03,460 --> 00:41:06,254
I felt as though, you know,
yeah, I know his background,
763
00:41:06,255 --> 00:41:08,298
but my daughter gonna be different.
764
00:41:08,299 --> 00:41:10,925
I'm right here with her, her
mom's right here with her.
765
00:41:10,926 --> 00:41:14,262
So, I was... You know,
me being a-a father,
766
00:41:14,263 --> 00:41:16,389
a protective father,
767
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:17,765
I'm-I'm-I'm okay with
it 'cause I don't think
768
00:41:17,766 --> 00:41:20,435
none of this could happen to me.
769
00:41:20,436 --> 00:41:24,689
Then the way they had to
exit was through the back.
770
00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:26,524
So, during that time, we was
waiting and waiting and waiting,
771
00:41:26,525 --> 00:41:28,109
and kind of getting a little nervous.
772
00:41:28,110 --> 00:41:31,362
Went to the corner where the VIP was,
773
00:41:31,363 --> 00:41:33,573
and then that's where she exited at,
774
00:41:33,574 --> 00:41:35,284
from the back side of the stage.
775
00:41:36,577 --> 00:41:39,287
They told us that he asked
her to hear her sing.
776
00:41:39,288 --> 00:41:44,042
He liked it, so he gave
her a number to contact him.
777
00:41:44,043 --> 00:41:47,462
ALICE: Azriel was
in the 11th grade.
778
00:41:47,463 --> 00:41:49,255
We didn't find out right away,
779
00:41:49,256 --> 00:41:52,383
but she was secretly, I guess,
calling him and texting him,
780
00:41:52,384 --> 00:41:54,260
and had been talking
to him on the phone.
781
00:41:54,261 --> 00:41:57,222
One day, the time that she's
supposed to be at home,
782
00:41:57,223 --> 00:41:59,557
I call, and she wasn't home yet.
783
00:41:59,558 --> 00:42:01,643
Finally, we get a phone call.
784
00:42:01,644 --> 00:42:05,730
She finally called me and said,
"Oh, I'm at a hotel in Kissimmee
785
00:42:05,731 --> 00:42:07,941
meeting with R. Kelly."
786
00:42:07,942 --> 00:42:11,277
How and why, like, did this happen?
787
00:42:11,278 --> 00:42:14,406
Like, I was really shocked.
788
00:42:26,293 --> 00:42:29,337
ALICE: One day, we
get a phone call.
789
00:42:29,338 --> 00:42:33,508
She finally called me and said,
"Oh, I'm at a hotel in Kissimmee
790
00:42:33,509 --> 00:42:35,551
meeting with R. Kelly."
791
00:42:35,552 --> 00:42:37,971
And the first thing I thought was,
792
00:42:37,972 --> 00:42:41,557
I have to leave work, like,
right now, immediately.
793
00:42:41,558 --> 00:42:44,310
I called my husband, and
he was at work, and he said,
794
00:42:44,311 --> 00:42:45,895
"I'm on my way, too." He left work.
795
00:42:45,896 --> 00:42:48,564
That's a grown man,
796
00:42:48,565 --> 00:42:50,483
and I've heard of the allegations
797
00:42:50,484 --> 00:42:52,443
in the past about him.
798
00:42:52,444 --> 00:42:55,363
So it kind of, kind of freaked me out
799
00:42:55,364 --> 00:42:58,576
because I'm thinking she's
never done anything without us.
800
00:43:00,619 --> 00:43:02,704
Why would R. Kelly, as a man,
801
00:43:02,705 --> 00:43:05,039
want to meet our
daughter by herself?
802
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,834
Why would she even go
without one of us, you know?
803
00:43:07,835 --> 00:43:10,503
We told her from the
beginning, when she got it,
804
00:43:10,504 --> 00:43:12,964
we don't want you around
him never by yourself.
805
00:43:12,965 --> 00:43:14,550
You always got to be with one of us.
806
00:43:16,260 --> 00:43:19,637
As I get to the
hotel, I see her car.
807
00:43:19,638 --> 00:43:22,098
And then I see his tour bus,
so I know she was at the hotel.
808
00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:25,394
So I was kind of relieved
that, no, okay, she is here.
809
00:43:28,564 --> 00:43:31,190
ALICE: But we go
inside the hotel,
810
00:43:31,191 --> 00:43:33,860
asking for R. Kelly room.
811
00:43:33,861 --> 00:43:36,195
They were saying there
was no such guest there.
812
00:43:36,196 --> 00:43:38,448
And we're like, "Okay, we
know there's a guest there
813
00:43:38,449 --> 00:43:41,534
"'cause his tour bus is outside,
my daughter car is out there,
814
00:43:41,535 --> 00:43:45,413
"and, you know, we need
our daughter to come down.
815
00:43:45,414 --> 00:43:46,998
She's a minor."
816
00:43:46,999 --> 00:43:50,918
So, they got the head of
security to come and...
817
00:43:50,919 --> 00:43:52,295
'Cause we were actually
going through the building
818
00:43:52,296 --> 00:43:53,588
and knocking on doors.
819
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:55,089
They told us we couldn't do that.
820
00:43:55,090 --> 00:43:56,883
So, basically, he came back and said,
821
00:43:56,884 --> 00:43:59,177
"Yes, we do have him here.
822
00:43:59,178 --> 00:44:02,638
"Um, we're trying to find out
what room, locate your daughter.
823
00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:04,682
"And could you be
patient and just let us,
824
00:44:04,683 --> 00:44:06,142
you know, find out what was going on?"
825
00:44:06,143 --> 00:44:07,894
Because, apparently,
he had, like,
826
00:44:07,895 --> 00:44:10,397
two floors, or
something, of rooms.
827
00:44:13,025 --> 00:44:16,277
ANGELO: And she was with R.
Kelly in the room, alone.
828
00:44:16,278 --> 00:44:20,156
She was auditioning,
is the word that was used.
829
00:44:20,157 --> 00:44:21,657
She was auditioning for him.
830
00:44:21,658 --> 00:44:24,118
And so we said no, no, no, no.
831
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:26,412
That... No. She needs to come down,
832
00:44:26,413 --> 00:44:28,039
or he needs to come down, or whatever.
833
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,125
Well, eventually, Azriel came down.
834
00:44:31,126 --> 00:44:32,794
He never came down.
835
00:44:32,795 --> 00:44:36,589
She went into the whole
spiel: hey, we messin' it up.
836
00:44:36,590 --> 00:44:39,509
- "It was a real interview."
- She was upset.
837
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:41,344
"And why would you come down?
838
00:44:41,345 --> 00:44:43,346
"Y'all gonna mess up my shot.
839
00:44:43,347 --> 00:44:44,639
"You know, this-this is my chance.
840
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,391
"This is what we all working for.
841
00:44:46,392 --> 00:44:48,976
You know, this is my career.
Y'all supposed to back me."
842
00:44:48,977 --> 00:44:51,979
And I'm like, you know
what, maybe it was innocent.
843
00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:54,982
You know, and maybe it was an interview,
844
00:44:54,983 --> 00:44:56,193
but she should've called us.
845
00:44:59,113 --> 00:45:01,864
I believe that R. Kelly
thinks that he's invincible.
846
00:45:01,865 --> 00:45:03,741
He was acquitted.
847
00:45:03,742 --> 00:45:06,494
What makes any of us
think that he will
848
00:45:06,495 --> 00:45:08,246
ever be touched?
849
00:45:08,247 --> 00:45:13,334
So, I think that he believes
that he has a pass for life,
850
00:45:13,335 --> 00:45:17,798
because no one's been
able to touch him at all.
851
00:45:19,425 --> 00:45:20,758
ALICE: We're riding home.
852
00:45:20,759 --> 00:45:22,760
Azriel's basically saying how
853
00:45:22,761 --> 00:45:25,179
R. Kelly is, like, a musical genius,
854
00:45:25,180 --> 00:45:27,932
and he could possibly help
her move into the next level.
855
00:45:27,933 --> 00:45:29,559
And she went home and researched and...
856
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,353
She went home and researched
him and all his music.
857
00:45:32,354 --> 00:45:33,646
Saw all the people he worked with
858
00:45:33,647 --> 00:45:35,231
and all that.
859
00:45:35,232 --> 00:45:37,775
ALICE: All the songwriters,
like, all the songs he wrote
860
00:45:37,776 --> 00:45:39,944
for, you know,
people he wrote for.
861
00:45:39,945 --> 00:45:43,698
And so she was just, like,
amped, she was excited.
862
00:45:43,699 --> 00:45:45,867
She thought this was her brea.
863
00:45:45,868 --> 00:45:48,453
We were like, "You need to
get R. Kelly on the phone."
864
00:45:48,454 --> 00:45:50,955
And so then we had a
conversation with him
865
00:45:50,956 --> 00:45:54,959
that, first, we were not happy
with what just had took place.
866
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,627
And that should not have transpired
867
00:45:56,628 --> 00:45:58,881
without one of her
parents being present.
868
00:46:00,299 --> 00:46:01,841
ANGELO: And I
asked him, you know,
869
00:46:01,842 --> 00:46:03,676
"Is this how you
conduct business?"
870
00:46:03,677 --> 00:46:05,970
He was like, "No."
He was leaving.
871
00:46:05,971 --> 00:46:07,305
You know, he thought it was okay.
872
00:46:07,306 --> 00:46:09,640
Azriel had assured that, you know,
873
00:46:09,641 --> 00:46:11,517
it wouldn't be a
problem if she came over
874
00:46:11,518 --> 00:46:12,935
and did the interview now,
875
00:46:12,936 --> 00:46:15,855
and we were supposed
to meet 'em over there.
876
00:46:15,856 --> 00:46:18,816
ALICE: We told her,
like, basically,
877
00:46:18,817 --> 00:46:20,818
for you to do anything
else with him,
878
00:46:20,819 --> 00:46:22,820
she cannot be with
him by herself.
879
00:46:22,821 --> 00:46:25,364
Honestly, I didn't
think it was a good fit.
880
00:46:25,365 --> 00:46:27,158
I didn't want to have any part of it,
881
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:29,243
but Azriel actually pressed us.
882
00:46:29,244 --> 00:46:34,832
She made her little threats
about if we didn't, you know,
883
00:46:34,833 --> 00:46:37,752
let her do this,
what she would do.
884
00:46:37,753 --> 00:46:40,588
And now, looking back at it,
885
00:46:40,589 --> 00:46:41,839
he was very manipulative, so...
886
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,674
It was... it was a plot. It was his...
887
00:46:43,675 --> 00:46:45,844
That's the strategy he did.
888
00:46:56,104 --> 00:46:57,897
MICHELLE: I'm about to
go meet my daughter.
889
00:46:57,898 --> 00:46:59,524
She said go at 6:00,
890
00:46:59,525 --> 00:47:02,777
but I'm going to go now
because I just need to know.
891
00:47:02,778 --> 00:47:05,530
I'm just anxious, and I
just can't wait till no 6:00.
892
00:47:05,531 --> 00:47:07,281
PRODUCER: How you feeling right now?
893
00:47:07,282 --> 00:47:09,492
Nervous all over again,
894
00:47:09,493 --> 00:47:13,204
like five or six hours ago
when we first went to the door.
895
00:47:13,205 --> 00:47:17,708
But, um, God didn't lead me
here and then take it away.
896
00:47:17,709 --> 00:47:19,545
I came too close.
897
00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:08,009
MICHELLE: Yes, can I have
898
00:48:08,010 --> 00:48:10,678
Dominique Gardner's room, please?
899
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:12,096
Hello?
900
00:48:12,097 --> 00:48:14,558
- Hey.
- Hey.
901
00:48:16,602 --> 00:48:19,020
I came back to the hotel, and they said
902
00:48:19,021 --> 00:48:22,148
you called the police on me.
903
00:48:22,149 --> 00:48:23,190
I knew it wasn't you.
904
00:48:23,191 --> 00:48:25,109
So, what you want to do?
905
00:48:25,110 --> 00:48:27,945
'Cause, I mean, they said the
police came and everything.
906
00:48:27,946 --> 00:48:30,239
And they said somebody keep calling.
907
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,366
He could be lying. I don't know.
908
00:48:32,367 --> 00:48:34,453
But she didn't see me.
909
00:48:38,582 --> 00:48:40,167
She hung up.
910
00:48:42,419 --> 00:48:44,004
(bleep)
911
00:48:50,761 --> 00:48:52,261
I don't want to get ugly,
912
00:48:52,262 --> 00:48:54,221
but I ain't leaving
this damn hotel.
913
00:48:54,222 --> 00:48:55,556
I done came too damn close.
914
00:48:55,557 --> 00:48:57,684
I'm this far. Are you kidding me?
915
00:49:28,924 --> 00:49:32,594
I went to the bathroom, I
waited about ten or 15 minutes.
916
00:49:52,531 --> 00:49:55,366
She came in with a
book bag, a wifebeater,
917
00:49:55,367 --> 00:49:57,618
some shorts, and some
flip-flops with some socks on
918
00:49:57,619 --> 00:49:59,578
and a backpack, and
that's all she had.
919
00:49:59,579 --> 00:50:03,457
And we ran out of there like
the master was coming for us.
920
00:50:03,458 --> 00:50:05,042
- It's okay.
- DOMINIQUE (crying): Okay.
921
00:50:05,043 --> 00:50:07,086
MICHELLE: Gabe said he
loves you so much. Okay.
922
00:50:07,087 --> 00:50:08,754
DRIVER: You can ride in
here, but turn the camera off.
923
00:50:08,755 --> 00:50:10,381
MICHELLE: No, I don't...
she don't want that.
924
00:50:10,382 --> 00:50:12,258
No, tell 'em to take...
Keep that camera over there.
925
00:50:12,259 --> 00:50:13,592
DRIVER: All right, get your bag.
926
00:50:13,593 --> 00:50:16,303
MICHELLE: Okay. Okay, baby.
927
00:50:16,304 --> 00:50:18,306
(both crying)
928
00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:31,361
DOMINIQUE: Okay.
929
00:50:32,446 --> 00:50:33,696
MICHELLE: You brave, okay. Look at me.
930
00:50:33,697 --> 00:50:37,199
Look at me. You brave. You so brave.
931
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:38,492
You're so beautiful.
932
00:50:38,493 --> 00:50:40,411
This is God, you know that, right?
933
00:50:40,412 --> 00:50:42,204
You know that, right?
Look at me, look at me.
934
00:50:42,205 --> 00:50:44,707
You know that was God. You
was... You didn't even think
935
00:50:44,708 --> 00:50:47,084
I was coming for you, did you? Did you?
936
00:50:47,085 --> 00:50:49,087
(Dominique crying)
937
00:50:55,802 --> 00:50:57,845
MICHELLE: You're so
happy. I'm happy for you.
938
00:50:57,846 --> 00:50:59,722
Look, this the best...
939
00:50:59,723 --> 00:51:01,141
I know. I love you, too.
940
00:51:03,643 --> 00:51:05,686
I know, baby, I know.
941
00:51:05,687 --> 00:51:08,398
But you did good, baby.
942
00:51:17,699 --> 00:51:19,575
The best feeling.
943
00:51:19,576 --> 00:51:21,118
Like having a newborn baby,
944
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:24,121
and the doctor giving you your baby...
945
00:51:24,122 --> 00:51:26,958
that you carried for nine months.
946
00:51:30,504 --> 00:51:32,506
♪ ♪
947
00:51:34,466 --> 00:51:36,175
There's three drugs out there:
948
00:51:36,176 --> 00:51:40,679
crack, heroin, and R. Kelly.
949
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,640
And she was trying to fight that drug.
950
00:51:42,641 --> 00:51:44,391
♪ ♪
951
00:51:44,392 --> 00:51:46,268
She have seen some stuff.
952
00:51:46,269 --> 00:51:47,812
She done did some stuff.
953
00:51:47,813 --> 00:51:52,149
And I believe that he have
said some things to even
954
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:54,235
maybe try to come
harm to her family,
955
00:51:54,236 --> 00:51:56,613
or all the girls' family.
956
00:52:00,742 --> 00:52:03,786
She don't understand
how many people love her.
957
00:52:03,787 --> 00:52:05,871
But his sick ass always make them think
958
00:52:05,872 --> 00:52:08,249
that nobody loves you but him.
959
00:52:08,250 --> 00:52:10,501
And, um, I told her
960
00:52:10,502 --> 00:52:11,961
wasn't nothing gonna
ever happen to her.
961
00:52:11,962 --> 00:52:13,880
And I meant that.
962
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,018
R. Kelly, I'm gonna call
the police and tell them
963
00:52:28,019 --> 00:52:29,144
you kidnapped my sister.
964
00:52:29,145 --> 00:52:30,980
- Azriel!
- (door creaks)
965
00:52:30,981 --> 00:52:33,482
This room right here was, like, the most
966
00:52:33,483 --> 00:52:35,818
degrading thing ever.
967
00:52:35,819 --> 00:52:37,653
This is just...
968
00:52:37,654 --> 00:52:39,989
You're not addressing these allegations.
969
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:41,782
WOMAN: Mute R. Kelly!
970
00:52:41,783 --> 00:52:43,117
And so we decided to protest.
971
00:52:43,118 --> 00:52:44,535
- Black girls'...
- PROTESTERS: Black girls'...
972
00:52:44,536 --> 00:52:46,328
WOMAN: ...lives matter!
973
00:52:46,329 --> 00:52:47,413
This interview is over.
974
00:52:47,414 --> 00:52:49,039
JOHN LEGEND: Time's
up for R. Kelly.
975
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,082
Time's up for that.
976
00:52:50,083 --> 00:52:51,834
PROTESTERS: Mute R. Kelly!
977
00:52:51,835 --> 00:52:53,503
Mute R. Kelly!
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